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Talk:Torn/Archive2

2006-11-10T21:40:10Z

PhoenixDreams: Who is vulnerable?

==Summary Split?==
We've taken to splitting the episode summaries between the Fleet and Baltar. Am I alone in thinking this isn't the best method? I'd prefer the summary going through the events of the episode chronologically. Especially now that the two storylines are beginning to converge. It was fine in Collaborators, where the two threads didn't effect each other. But now, someone reading the summary encounters a mention of the dead basestar at the end of the Galactica summary before getting to any of the details in the Cylon summary. -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 00:00, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:Personally I think it's fine. It depends on how much interaction there is between the two story lines in the next episode. If they signicantly interact, then this summary may require change, but for now I think it's ok.--[[User:Cohnee|Cohnee]] 06:14, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:Actually, we've been describing each story line separately since "[[33]]". It really makes the story lines easier to keep track of for both the viewer and the editors. However, if there's a better way, I would be interested in a discussion of it. What method or methods would you suggest? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:18, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:: I think it's a fine format in most cases. It certainly worked for Collaborators, and it worked well for the Helo arc of Season One. However, in those instances, the main plot and the sides-story didn't interact, so knowing how the Galactica side of the episode pans out before you read what happened to Helo, it isn't a problem. But here we have the Galactica storyline ending with something that was explained in the Cylon storyline. I guess I'm just concerned that some reading it without having seen the episode would be very confused. Something as simple as putting the Cylon half of the summary first I think would clear up any potential confusion, especially considering that nothing in the Galactica story effects the Cylon story. -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:56, 8 November 2006 (CST)

== Promotional pictures ==

Look at these pictures: 
http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000kthzq/g248 
http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000kw117/g248 
Where do they come from? I don't remember such scene in "Torn"... -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 01:51, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:P.s. All promo images are also on the wiki. As for those images, when I was uploading new promo images tonight, I noticed those, and I was like... "I never saw them.". if they show up in another episode, I will recategorize them in the media wiki. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 01:53, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:They may have come from a deleted scene as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:07, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::They might have been moved to the next episode "A Measure of Salvation" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:13, 8 November 2006 (CST)

:: Can anyone identify the patch on Baltar's flight suit? It looks like it has a picture of an old style Raider on it. http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000ksya5/g248 -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:59, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::That's the [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/albums/s1waterpromos/normal_BSG04EP_7727CS.JPG standard Raptor patch]. That's the Raptor squadron that Sharon belongs to. We maybe ought to crop some of the patches off uniforms and have a patches and insignias section of the uniforms page. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:06, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::: Hmm. Odd I never noticed that before. Seen like something I would've seen before. I thought maybe it was squandron, like Primus or The Vigilantes. An article on patches would be interesting. -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 12:24, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::::Oh, no. I think you're right. I think that's exactly what it is. I was just saying that was a "normal" squadron patch for a Raptor (as in we've seen it before). If you would be willing to wade through the promo photos and screencaps ([http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/index.php some here as well]) to identify pictures with good patch shots in them, I'd be willing to crop down to the patches and upload them and help start either a new section on [[Uniforms (RDM)]] or a subarticle of that page. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:37, 8 November 2006 (CST)

== Questions? ==
I have no idea how to phrase it or if i remember correctly, but didn't Sharon (athena) start talking incoherently when they jump to the Lions Head? Is she infected? We don't see them jump back... [[User:Puneypunk|Puneypunk]] 06:26, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:No. She wasn't infected. She was shocked at what she saw and quoted scripture. She said "When god's anger awakens, even the mighty shall fall" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:10, 8 November 2006 (CST)

== Helo as XO ==
Surely if he was the XO, Adama would of promoted him to at least Major, if not Colonel, by now? I'm not disputing that Helo is acting as Adama's "eyes and ears" but I'm surpirsed that he is being described as XO.--[[User:Cohnee|Cohnee]] 06:39, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:Rank isn't everything. An officer can also "outrank" someone with a nominally higher rank just by position. Adama probably still plans for Tigh to return some day and has Helo as interim solution. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:09, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::It's quite possible that Helo hasn't been promoted because he hasn't met the minimum time-in-grade for a full Lieutenant yet. Kat's quick rise from Ensign to Lieutenant seems to contradict this, however. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 11:06, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::To me, his job seems to be something of a cross between Gaeta's former position and Tigh's. It may be that he fell into his current roll while Galactica was understaffed and it has yet to be formalised or revised back to a more standard one. We have seen that the crew is still readjusting to some extent and I wouldn't be surprised if there are still some adjustments yet to be made. --[[User:Ryan H|Ryan H]] 12:35, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::I don't think minimum time in-grade is all that important anymore, all things considered. I also think that Helo and Kat are both excellent candidates for Captain, if they aren't already. Kat and Starbuck could be squadron leaders, Apollo could be CAG, and Helo could be Gaeta, since Gaeta is the new Baltar. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:17, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Origin of the virus ==
Far to speculative to put on the main page, but could the virus have been planted by the other 5 models? Perhaps a split occurred within the Cylons soon after they took human form, and the other 5 have decided to strike at the ones that we know.
If indeed the virus is a hybrid biological / technological nature as surmised in the Questions, it would support the theory of other Cylons having created it. --[[User:Zeratul|Zeratul]] 13:29, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::Well, if it was placed by the other 5, then it may be logical to asume that the other 5 went off in search of and, possibly, found earth, leaving this "viral pod" behind to ward off the 7. Unfortunately its all wild speculation at this point. --[[User:Vladimir|Vladimir]] 13:34, 8 November 2006 (CST)

== 5 models (spoilers) ==
On the listed on Season 3 on the front page, one of the articles contained an interview with Moore. {{spoiltext|He mentioned that the other 5 models of Cylons is a secret. They are currently "boxed" and not in use, plus the 7 other cylon models do not know what the other 5 models look like.}}The reasons for this is unclear, but that is the info that Moore was willing to reveal during the interview. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 13:55, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:That's correct, but the answers to questions are generally supposed to be based on aired info. Until that information is shown on the air it's generally a spoiler (and is wrapped in spoiltext like I did above). That's actually something I wasn't aware of, so you just "spoiled" me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:59, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::Ooh, thanks for that, that confirms my theory on how both the Tricia/Grace/Dean spoilers and the Aaron/Tahmoh spoilers were both right at the same time. I'm glad it was this :) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:05, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::Btw, do you have a link to this interview? It's possible to put the link (Spoiler covered) in the "questions" Section regarding this topic. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:20, 8 November 2006 (CST)

I would like to see this interview as well. I read the Aaron/Tahmoh interview and it seemed they were just speculating about the boxed thing. They're not Cylons, so how would they know? Tricia, Grace, and the other Cylons were the only actors privvy to "Life Aboard the Base Ship", Ron Moore's Cylon bible. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:21, 9 November 2006 (CST)
::::Apparently there's a link on the [[Season 3]] page. I generally try to avoid spoilers, so that's the best I've got. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:48, 9 November 2006 (CST)

:My bad guys, I think I combined the spoilers from Tricia/Grace/Dean and Aarom/Tahmoh into one during my recollections. The interview I was referring to was the one done by Entertainment Weekly, in which they reveal a lot of the plot in the 2 hour pilot. I think I must have confused the actors' discussion and speculations into the spoilers that Moore revealed. Sorry, guess we're just gonna have to wait and learn about the 5 models the hard way. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 13:20, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Hybrid's looks ==
''The hybrid's visual look was inspired by the precogs in Minority Report.''
Is that official (ie: mentioned by someone who works on the episode) or a guess? I mean, I can think of a few other things that could've been the inspiration for the Hybrid's look - the pods the humans are placed in by the machines in [[w:The Matrix|The Matrix]] for example. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 22:52, 8 November 2006 (CST)
: Barring an official source, this should be removed or reworded accordingly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:55, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::It was mentioned in podcast, which this time starred Ron and an entire Cornell University class, sans cigarettes and Scotch. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:22, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:::Yeah, I got it from the podcast. I should have mentioned that, but it was very late... --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:11, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== The Ship Who... ==

I thought this series was worth noting here, since it seems to predate any other notions of similar man/machine integration that I've found. (It's certainly more relevant than a PC game.) We all know what a fan Ron Moore is of classic science fiction and I'm sure he's got a few of these on his shelves. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 11:20, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:Something from the 60s is good. It might be even older, but it's important to point out that the source of the concept lies in "classic" SciFi books and not modern television. What I really hated was a lengthy paragraph about the Shadow vessels in "Babylon 5". I know that lots of B5 fans think that JMS invented lots of SciFi concepts and that all other shows just ripped it off, but it really gave the impression that B5 was somehow source material for the Hybrid, when in fact the shows' writers draw on the same - even older - sources. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:36, 9 November 2006 (CST)
::Concur with Serenity. Man/machine integration is nothing new. Here, we're technically not even talking of a "man" or even a human, but just a biologic computer. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:53, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Viral vs Biological ==
In the podcast for Torn RDM says:

"The baseship gets there and it, lo and behold, it finds a device. A floating beacon left behind by the [[Thirteenth Tribe]]. Those Cylons pull that beacon onto their ship and an infection spreads through the Cylon baseship. Just something that was physically on the beacon, some bacteria or something that survived. And it proved deadly to everybody on the Cylon baseship."

That seems to answer the questions about its nature (biological) and about who left it. I didn't want to yank the question right away (nor resort to the forum Q&A format), but I thought those questions might best be moved down to analysis with this as the answer (with a podcast cite). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:38, 9 November 2006 (CST)

:I don't really see what the confusing is about anyways. People hear the Cylons ''speculating'' that it might spread to the Resurruction Ship and immediately think that speculation is fact.
:A more valid oberservation is that Raiders and Centurions were incapitated too without a direct vector of attack. But that can very easily be explained by their link to the Hybrid and that they got screwed up when the Hybrid died. I think RDM mentions that Hybrid link too in the podcast --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Who is vulnerable to the Virus? ==
First, do we actually know that it only affect Cylons? No human has been exposed to any sort of contact, assuming the Baltar was in an airtight suit. Presumably, if the virus were released on all ships in the Fleet, any hidden Cylon agents would keel over dead. Putting aside the question of wiping out the Cylon race, killing all Cylon agents hidden in the Fleet seems like a good idea, except of course for Athena.
Would President Roslin be affected by the Virus, because of her transfusion from Hera? Would Hera be affected? --[[User:PhoenixDreams|PhoenixDreams]] 15:40, 10 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:Humanoid Cylon/Archive4

2006-10-23T19:24:22Z

PhoenixDreams: Cylons as the Lords of Kobol

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== Replacement and retirement of article title ==

:''This discussion's origin originated in [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions#Replacement and retirement of the term "Humano-Cylon"|the Standards and Conventions talk page]], where you can find the original content.''

Per the discussion in the above link, I plan to move this article to [[Cylon agent]], as it is the most commonly used term to describe the humanoid Cylon models. "Humano-Cylon" will redirect here, and we will need to scour for other terms to redirect as well. This name is sufficiently canonical that it is unlikely that further debate is required. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:58, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:Go for it. Though with an article title of "Cylon agent", it would be great to have a screen capture of the file on Laura's desk that has that wording on it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:04, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:I may just spend $2 on iTunes to get just that. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:14, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::Move completed; no Big Thang. Summary subarticle in Cylon series pages also updated. Please update any pages for old terminology when appropriate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:33, 14 February 2006 (EST)

: Am I right in saying that all references to Humano-Cylon should be changed to Cylon agent> --[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 08:12, 6 March 2006 (CST)
::That's correct. We're going with "Cylon agent" since the only evidence indicating "Humano-Cylon" (see below) may have been doctored by the Cylons to throw us off... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:19, 6 March 2006 (CST)

:::Just to clarify; they made the picture below as a joke. Really, we discussed it on our Conventions page, and "human-cylon" seemed too much like describing the Hybrid, and hasn't gained much outside use, so we opted for something else. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:05, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Known Cylon Agents ==
That pic is AWESOME! It fits the section so well that I would normally suspect that it had been photoshopped (if I hadn't already seen it in the show). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:00, 15 February 2006 (EST)
:Perhaps you moved the article too soon...
:I'll likely delete this image soon. I just had the idea of Photoshopping the folder after the preceding post. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:19, 15 February 2006 (EST)
:Photoshop: Suitable tool, or instrument of Satan? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:37, 15 February 2006 (EST)

== Naming Convention ==

As of "[[Downloaded]]" we now finally know some other Model numbers besides Number Six: "D'anna Biers" is '''Number Three''', "Aaron Doral" is '''Number Five''', and "Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii" is '''Number Eight'''.

In light of this, should we change the title of some, or all, of their character articles to read "Number Three", etc. like for Number Six? Because apparently, among themselves the Cylons never actually use the fake human names some used as spys, or indeed refer to themselves by name at all. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:59, 25 February 2006 (EST)

I would think that the unfortunately named Number Two is a pretty thankless job. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:00, 25 February 2006 (EST)

:Yes, where those numbers are known. I broached the subject on [[Talk:Sharon Valerii]] and am currently awaiting a little more feedback before we go ahead with the move. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:07, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Do the Cylons tend to look out for Number One? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:09, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Number One is not a number, he is a man. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:10, 25 February 2006 (EST)

:A free man? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:24, 25 February 2006 (EST)

::I agree with changing the title of ALL articles referring to the mainstream model, making two new for D'anna and Aaron (the media models) like we did for the sharons and sixes.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 25 February 2006

When did "we" start calling them "Galactica-Boomer", "Caprica-Boomer", "Pegasus-Six", etc? You see, Televesionwithoutpity.com does make up and popularize terms like this....but I'm not sure if they STARTED using it, or if they TOOK UP using it from some reviewer or the messageboards. I seriously think this is one of those Stand Alone Complex things; we all just more or less independently, from the grassroots up, got the idea to do that. Anyone? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:49, 25 February 2006 (EST)

:Pretty much. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:03, 25 February 2006 (EST)

::I generally compel the proper use of "Boomer" to the Galactica model only, as she is the copy that actually served. ''No one'' in episodes have called the Caprica copy by that name, and things are confusing enough. "Caprica-Valerii" or "Galactica-Valerii" (or Boomer) is better. Otherwise, yes, we have to make things up until we get an official term, but we should be consistent and precise about it. ''Never'' use Sharon in any context--use of character first names only is against wiki convention in episode summaries. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:19, 25 February 2006 (EST)
:::Actually, Baltar called Caprica-Sharon "Boomer" at the end of Home, part 2. But what does he know?--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:55, 9 March 2006 (EST)

== Question: a Cylon agent transfers its consciousness... ==

I just started watching BSG about a week ago and im only part way through season 2, but I'm thinking isn't there a way for the Galactica crew to stop the cylon agents they kill from transmiting their consciousness? Cant they put the agent in a room with thick metal walls to stop the signal, or put their bodies into a woodchipper, or something similar, so whatever system in the body that transmits will be destroyed? In season one they just tossed the agent out an airlock, they didn't even try to stop him. I guess they really haven't explained yet how it is even possible for the agent's body to come up with enough energy to transmit their entire consciousness in an undetectable signal instantly across several light years. Maybe they'll get to it in a future episode, including the ones I haven't seen yet. Right now, its very magical fairies. --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 17:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)

: It comes up a bit later. Specifically, right after the mid-season cliff-hanger of Season 2. Not ''all'' your questions will be answered, but it becomes less magical. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:09, 10 March 2006 (CST)

== Grace Park Reveals Cylon Secrets.... ==
MediaBlvd's interview with Grace Park was releasd in the full today, revealing a few more things about the nature of the Cylons that had not been released before. A lot of things are Park's own point of view, but she does mention a few interesting facts she read in the "Cylon Handout". Some of these facts include:

:" Because Cylons were created in the form of humans, and humans were created in God’s image, and Cylons want to be close to God, they can actually choose - but some models more likely than others tend to eat rather than just taking in nutrients. We just learned all this, I didn’t even know it, but taking in nutrients, I think through the skin"

:"There would be specific ports in the Cylon base ship that they could do this, and they can also do that with information."

:"- it wasn’t a very specific jack, like your phone jack in the wall. Nothing like that in her arm."

:"A little bit of both of that. Within one model, the different bodies can share memories, but within that model only. Now I use the words ‘CAN share memories,’ because it’s not like they all automatically share them. I’m under the understanding that you can choose to upload, and you can choose to download information."

:"- that the Cylons that we’ve known so far are programmed not even to think about the last five."

These are the actual facts she mentions, amidst her opinions, but what I posted were the solid facts. The last one had already been mentioned before, but this comment clarified that it's not that they don't know who they are, they just don't think about them.

There are also some other interesting tidbits in there (such as why exactly the Naked Sharons let themeselves die) which may help other articles.

I wanted to ask before posting any of this information, it's all solid and concise, but should we nonetheless abstain from putting in the bits we got (because we have nothing else and it would prove to be tantalizing). I think we should put it in, since they are actual facts from the new "Cylon Bible", but I wanted to pass it here so that you can judge on where to put them and how to word them. (Cuz I suck at actually adding it on the article, so I'd rather share the info and let someone else do the fine tuning on the article itself)

For the full interview: http://www.mediablvd.com/magazine/Magazine-Home/MBMag_20060420145.html

--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:22 09 May 2006

:That's kind of how I always rationalized they must share info; not between models, not a hive mind, they CAN but don't alaways. This "nutrient bath" thing is new and intruiging though. "This form brings us closer to God"; yeah I was already theorizing on this after that comment in KLG II that that's why they wanted to appear humanlike. Anyway, great to get some more or less confirmation on those musings/speculation. ***I don't know why, but some people treated it as a "oh my God, massive spoiler" that the 7 known Cylon models might not consciously think of who the unrevealed ones are. I mean, it doesn't actually affect the plot or ANY of our speculation so far; always assumed they had some sort of saftey feature like that for secrecy. '''I wonder: was this "Cylon Bible" RECENTLY written?''' The [[Series Bible]] was written in the break between the Miniseries and season one. Of course, they could have had these Cylon points as running ideas in the writer's room, but is this new, written down 10 page-ish long "Cylon Bible" something new she got? Context. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:26, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

::It seems the series bible did not containt detailed information on the Cylon Characters beyond the basics, the new bible is specifically made for Cylons I think, probably detailing some history, both personal and such, and the kind of things that may help an actor understand who/what they are playing.

Also, this nutrient bath may be the reason we saw the Sharons naked in KLG2, rather than the Cylons being nudists., and maybe that's also why that part of the Basestar is organic, because it feeds the Ships and the Agents. Guess we'll know in Season 3 --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]]

:::Well I always thought they were naked just because they were "fresh off the assembly line" or "in storage" or whatever; like Terminator. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:09, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

::::Maybe, but with the Resurrection Ship.... --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]]10 May 2006

So wouldn't the Grace Park interview indicate that the evidence "against" Baltar being a Cylon presented in Downloaded is pretty much bupkis? If the agents arent supposed to think of him as an agent, they'd call him a human. In fact, Baltar's behavior is so selfish it borders on cliche. It would seem to me that he would fit the "selfish asshole" archetype of humanity pretty damned well. --[[User:Number Thirteen|Number Thirteen]] 01:04, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

== telepathic abilities ==

When Sharon met here "sisters" in the basestar, she could hear their voices. Could that mean, that she has telepathic abilities? Or possibly a kind of relaying made this possible? -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 12:06, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Hi, Tirkon. We really don't have any information into the actual manner in which agents transfer low level data (specifically, their memories). They aren't like the Borg; they haven't a collective consciousness. For Boomer to "hear" their voices may suggest that she (as a sleeper) was hearing this low level data transfer for the first time, and being on a basestar may have exacerbated this ability. Agents very likely share data from a collective knowledgebase (since models of the same kind seem to know much of what another model knows, to a point). Since Cylon agents are still constructs, the concept of telepathic abilities suggest implausible things that attribute more biological (even spiritual) concepts to these constructs that probably don't apply; a machine can definitely transmit and receive data (something proven in "Downloaded") so this is the best way to consider Boomer's realization, in my opinion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:22, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

== humanoid cylons stronger than humans ==
I think, it is confirmed, that the humanoid cylons are stronger than humans. I.e. confirmed by the fights Starbuck-Number Six, Starbuck-Leoben and William Adama-Leoben. In particular during the fight Starbuck-Number Six Six throws Starbuck as hard as a human never could. During "Downloaded" Six slays Number Three with a huge piece of concrete, which never could be handled so easy by a human. And this piece must have bean very heavy, because the head of Number Three was mud after that. -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 12:43, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:That's generally true. While their bodies are still just as vulnerable to injury as a human body, their strength is definitely greater, although we can't state by how much. We can assume that they are strong enough to pick up a human of similar size, but are not strong enough to bend steel bars (otherwise captured agents could escape their cages). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:57, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::''>We can assume that they are strong enough to pick up a human of similar size'' ... and throw it about four meters. -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 13:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::And there seems to be a little disaccord. If one is strong enough for doing that, he also must be heavy enough for doing that (balance weight). That is opposite to the sex between Baltar and Six, when Six was lying on him (the read vertebral column in miniseries). -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 13:39, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

== humanoid cylons = agents? ==
You always talk here from the humoid cylons as agents. Is that realy true? Are they ALL!! agents? Possibly the word "agent" does not have the same meaning in Englisch and German. -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 12:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:The term "Cylon Agent" came [[:Image:Cylonagentdossier.jpg|from the show]]. See the [[Cylon_agent#_note-name|name note]] at the bottom of the article. So it's mostly a matter of trying to be "canonical" than trying to imply any sort of affiliation or loyalty. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:50, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::Aaaaaah! Thanks for that claricifation. :o) In the german Battlestar version the term "agent" is not as common. German Wikipedia points out a difference between the english and german use of term "agent". Thus this could be a matter for that. Further the view of some cylons ("the heros in "Download") has changed. Thus in german Battlestar Wiki I have used "humanoid cylon" instead of "cylon agent". And with you comment I am safe, that this dicision was adequate. Sorry for cannot beeing as precise as I would. But I am not a native english speaker. -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 13:23, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Maybe its just me but i always loved the term [[Humano-Cylon]] ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:30, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Not a problem! Looks like everything worked out. Also, bear in mind that the standards and conventions of the particular wiki should rule for its articles. That is to say, the German Wiki's standards and conventions should govern the articles at the German wiki. Don't let the [[BW:SC|English version]] restrict you at all. As long as you're consistent with your own rules there the German reader/editor will have a more standard/uniform experience. (Though you may want to update [[:de:Battlestar Wiki:Standards und Konventionen|that page ]] once you've established new conventions). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:34, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::''>want to update that page'' At present we are just two translaters. And we are still going to built up the structere and translate the episodes and the most important characters. At this state such conventions are not the point. ;o) And the human cylons was until now the only point, what was a little problematic for me. Thus I wanted discuss this with the well-versed people here. And this was helpful :o) -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 13:55, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

== Unseen cylon agent (miniseries) ==

In the miniseries, Number Six mentions to Baltar that she is meeting someone (26:35 into the miniseries) when they are walking in public prior to the attack. She leaves Baltar and immediately meets with an unseen person (27:12), remarking "It's about time, wondered when you'd get here". This person can only be a cylon - but they never appear on screen. Who could it be?

--[[User:Cfuxe|cfuse]] 06:48, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

: Anyone. It could also be just another very human bloke Six had contact with during her time on Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:10, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cylon naming and instancing ==

Cylons agents (including sleeper agents) appear to be able to distinguish different instances of the same cylon model from one and other without any difficulty. In Downloaded, 'Sharon' seems to have no difficulty in identifying individual cylons apart, despite the fact that all cylons of a given model are visually identical. In addition, she is admonished for using her name because it is a vestige of her human identity and presumably redundant in cylon society.

--[[User:Cfuxe|cfuse]] 06:57, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
: Honestly, we don't know how they do it, and I doubt that it'll ever be explained in the series. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:13, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Centurions ==

It's been added that Cylon Centurions can't tell the difference between copies of the same model, but that's not what Adama said. He said that they can't tell one humanoid Cylon (ex: Sharon) apart from any other humanoid Cylon. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:51, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

== A word about Number Three ==

The entry about Number Three says, that of all the Cylon agent models revealed to viewers, the Colonials are not yet aware that D'anna Biers is a Cylon agent as of the season two finale, "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II." 
Oh, c'mon. In "Downloaded" D'Anna, along with other Cylons, was clearly seen by Samuel Anders. In "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" Anders arrives on Galactica - did you think that he hasn't told the others about what he saw on Caprica? The moment Anders was rescued by Starbuck&Co., the true identity of D'Anna was no longer a secret (hence her presence on New Caprica).-- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:29, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

:Hi, Spike. Aside from the article now being out of date, the specific clarification you're missing is "of all the Cylon agents revealed to viewers, the ''members of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]'' are not aware that D'anna Biers is a Cylon as of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II."" ''Galactica's'' members and her Fleet may still be unaware that the one named D'Anna is a Cylon (but has likely received intel from their Raptor deployments in Season 3). Anders (although a Colonial) was not part of the Fleet until the end of LDYB and may have not seen the documentary that Biers created, thus not being able to inform the Fleet of yet another Cylon. It is likely that he does inform them; we as viewers aren't enlightened to this until the obvious events on New Caprica where all known agents are revealed to them. (Please be sure to sign your comments; place a couple of dashes and four tilde symbols (~). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:32, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

== Cylons as the Lords of Kobol ==

Given the 12 models of Cylon Agents, it seems possible that they represent the 12 Lords of Kobol. Many of the models seem to have traits associated with the Olympians. I’m not suggesting that the Cylons actually are the gods themselves, but copies of the gods. They may or may not know that they represent the gods. A list of the Olympians matches fairly well with what we know about some of the Cylons. (In particular, the Number 6 / Aphrodite connection is almost undeniable.) Some agents who we know less about (Simon, Cavil) are a looser fit.

'''Poseidon''', God of the Sea. Holds influence among the Olympians, but is greedy and quarrelsome. - Cavil? ||
'''Hades''', God of the Underworld. Unpitying, always in control of his domain. Abducted a woman to be his wife – Leoben ||
'''Hera''', Zeus’s wife. Holds great influence, constantly schemes. - Number 3 ||
'''Ares''', God of War. A brutal murderer, but also a coward. - Number 5 ||
'''Athena'''. A fierce soldier and protector of her people. - Number 8 ||
'''Aphrodite''', Goddess of Beauty. Holds great power over men. - Number 6 ||
'''Hephaestus''', God of the Forge. Skills are mental, and creation, not a fighter. - Simon

This leaves Zeus, Hestia, Apollo, Hermes, and Artemis as the remaining unknown Cylons. Does anyone else think there may be something to this, or have better fits for some agents? --[[User:PhoenixDreams|PhoenixDreams]] 14:24, 23 October 2006 (CDT)