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This noticeboard is a location to discuss and coordinate administrative tasks for the Battlestar Wiki.

It is our hope that this place can serve as a location for administrators to coordinate their efforts on the maintenance tasks of the Wiki (it's not ALL fun and games), as well as a spot for our contributors to be able to bring things to the attention of the admins if something needs to be done. Need a protected page edited? An article or picture deleted? Admins will watchlist this page so that your request won't get lost in the shuffle.

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== Current Administrators ==

===Senior Chiefs===
Senior chiefs are, in Wikipedia's terminology, bureaucrats who have the ability to make other users into chiefs. They also have the ability to check user and other advance functions not under the purview of the chiefs.
Currently senior chiefs are:
*[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]]
*[[User:Shane|Shane]]
*[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]
*[[User:NCommander|NCommander]] (Technical Issues Only)

===Chiefs===
Chiefs are administrators who have access to move, delete and restore pages as well as blocking malicious users. The current chiefs are:
* Active
**[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
**[[User:Gougef|Gougef]]
**[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] (PR Coordinator)
**[[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] (Primary Wiki Frakr! Contact)
**[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]]
**[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]]
**[[User:Serenity|Serenity]]
**[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]]
* Inactive
**[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]
**[[User:Day|Day]]
**[[User:Talos|Talos]]
See [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators|list of all chiefs on Battlestar Wiki]]

== Javascript Reported Vandals ==

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== Upload errors ==

So, we're having upload errors... I haven't a clue how to fix it right now, but what I get is this:

: Could not rename file "/tmp/http/phpPZkJNu" to "public/7/7f/Genevieve_Buechner.jpg".

Now, the prefix should really be "/home/bsgwiki/public_html/media/images" and not "public" (no slash in front)... I wonder if there's a configuration setting fubared somewhere in one of 1.13's files? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

: Ok... this is what happens when the disembodied spirit of Jar Jar Binks inhabits all of us... what caused this issue was the fact that the partition was close to (or at) 100% full. We cleaned it up... and, besides, we're moving to a better server with more room to it anyway. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Subscription ==

Hi!
I have just paid the subscription fee for a year, but I can still see the ads after having logged out and in again. Is there anything I have to do to confirm it? Have I done anything wrong, or is it just a question of time for the subscription to go through and change my status?
Thanks a mill in advance for your help. -- [[User:Mouan|Mouan]] 16:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
: Hi Mouan, I've confirmed your subscription and will set you up here for ads-free viewing in a few minutes... By the way, do you have an account on our [http://www.battlestarforum.com Battlestar Forum]? If so—or if you want to make one—please send me that info so I can enable ads-free viewing of our forums as well. Thank you for helping us out! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Mouan, you are all set for both places. Cheers! :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Thank you guys. One thing - is the subscription valid for other language versions of the wiki or do I need to buy another one for the Spanish wiki? Because I have just checked and it still displays ads. Perhaps it needs to be set up like you did with this one? :) -- [[User:Mouan|Mouan]] 20:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Shane added you to the local (English) sponsor group, but he should've added you to the global sponsor group. @Shane: you can do that through [[Special:GlobalGroupPermissions]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I got a permission error. Same with Joe. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::It tells me I have to be a Senior Chief, which I'm not and you are. What error do you get? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::Interestingly, it gives me the same message, despite the fact that I am a senior chief! Whoa! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 09:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you all. Works like a charm! :)-- [[User:Mouan|Mouan]] 21:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Everything has been updated... ==

Including all base extensions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]])
:Global groups have been messed up again, though, meaning all global groups and their permissions are gone. I'll restore all that after dinner. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah. Minus that. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:I'm going through and fixing a few of the extensions. For instance, the hide sitenotice extension needs to be modified to allow for unregistered users to hide the message. I'll update this page when I'm done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::My bad. Roger that joe. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't sweat it. :) Fixes were simple. Everything I needed to do is done now. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Alright, global groups are back up. I've also promoted all sponsors to global status. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Minor DB issue on Media ==

Getting this whenever I post a new article:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "efUpdateCheckUserData". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'bsgwiki_media.cu_changes' doesn't exist (athena.frakmedia.net)".

The article edits still go through though... Probably a case of just needing to run the update.php app. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yup, update.php says "cu_changes table added and populated". Should be fixed now. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Great! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Unified logon for other non-BSG Wikis ==

Also, while I'm at it, can the unified logon work for the other non-BSG Wikis? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that Wikimedia has cross-domain SUL (*.wikipedia.org, *.wiktionary.org, etc.) means it's possible. I'm [irc://freenode/#mediawiki stumping Brion] right now about the lack of documentation for CentralAuth and asking him how to do cross-domain SUL. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 21:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, it turned out to be a configuration variable in CentralAuth.php that I overlooked. Which wikis would you like to add SUL to? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 21:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The Letterman List:

#http://www.battlestarpegasus.com
#http://en.eurekawiki.org
#http://media.eurekawiki.org
#http://wiki.frakr.com
#http://www.sanctuarywiki.org

That's it for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:OK, will do those tomorrow afternoon if I have time. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 22:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Doesn't all MediaWiki's then have to be the same version then? Minus the EurekaWiki, everything else has it's own mediawiki installation.. which is a bit crazy. :x [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 22:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Having all wikis share the same codebase would help a great deal in setting this thing up, yeah. All wikis don't necessarily have to have the same version, as long as they all have and support CentralAuth. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 22:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I'd like to work on that before we did anything with the CentralAuth. The LocalSettings.php and the media folders we have to keep correct, but I think that would be the better move right now. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Of course, I'd love it if you put all wikis on one codebase before I even touch CentralAuth. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 23:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'll be away until Monday, so once you've finished migrating all wikis to the same codebase, please drop me a note on my talk page and I'll get to it when I get back. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== Skin breakage (again) ==

Somewhere in the last few days (probably related to the recent upgrade), the user options bar (Catrope / my talk / ... / log out ) started overlapping the pages tabs bar (article / discussion / ... / purge). This doesn't happen in the battlestar (default) skin, since they're miles apart there, but does happen in [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|useskin=bsgbook}} bsgbook] and [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|useskin=bsgmonobook}} bsgmonobook]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I can confirm that. Frak. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== Main Page Header Redesign ==

I worked on a re-design of the Main Page header on the [[BW:MAIN]] page. I also removed the airdates section. I have yet to add it to the design, but it be a bar under the two images. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 11:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
: The header is now bloated with the redesign. The header really needs to be as small as possible. To accomplish that, remove the airdate stuff from the header, and I think it'll be fine. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Help with the French Battlestar Wiki ==

Addressing Shane: I read about the request to help with the French page of Battlestar Wiki. I'm not sure what sort of help is needed, but I'm reasonably fluent in French and a fan of the re-imagined BSG. If this makes me qualified, perhaps I can be of assistance. I'm new to Wiki, though, which is why I'm posting this here (couldn't find a link for a personal post). Waiting to hear from you. -chimere
:You can post personal messages (sort of, everyone will be able to read them) on a user's talk page. For Shane, this is [[User talk:Shane]]. To start a new section, click the + sign next to the "edit" button on top of the page.
:As to helping with the French wiki: I suggest you browse around the wiki to see what has to be done there (which articles have to be created, improved, etc.) and start doing it. By signing up here you've already got an account on the French wiki as well, and you should be logged in automatically by just [[fr:|visiting it]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 21:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Podcasts ==

To Steelviper:

Please continue the podcasts... Or else... ...how can we keep nerd talking about the series without knowing what's on Mr. Moore's evel mind? It's frakking difficult to understand Mr Moore's speech when english is not your native language. C'mon! Let the rest of the planet taste a little bit of that great series!

PS: Excelent work on episode 406 - Escape Velocity! Gonna start 407 this week! {{unsigned|Gnielsen}}

== Movie ==

We need an article on the BSG movie, now that it has been announced. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:I'm searching about for the announcement, so now I know I'm blind. I did create an episode guide for the [[Caprica (pilot))|Caprica pilot]], however. There could be as many as three BSG movies if Grace Park's comments are to be believed.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 04:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:There is an article about it called [[Proposed TV movies]] from the time when there were just rumors about it. Given that there is only one movie for the moment, but greenlighted, we should probably take that and move/rename it. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:: Right. I thought we already had an article... and that was it. Just couldn't find it. We could simply name it the "Cylon TV movie", since that's what it's gonna be about anyway according to the press release. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
::: Ok, now that we have [http://www.bcfilmcommission.com/about_us/film_list.htm?film_type=mow a name] for the movie that's officially been released (it is called "The Plan", at least for now) we should get cracking on the article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== What image in [[Scattered]]? ==

What image do the credits in "[[Scattered]]" refer to?
:Atlas Image Obtained As Part Of The Two Micron All Sky Survey (2Mass), a joint project of the University of Massachusetts and the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center/California Institute of Technology, funded by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the National Science Foundation.
--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 15:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== TV.com ==

Should we include links to [[w:TV.com|TV.com]] on the infoboxes of cast and crew?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 14:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

: No, I don't think that's really worth our trouble. IMDb already has the same info that TV.com does, if not more. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

== DVD Menu Pictures (and so on) ==

Would it go against any copyright policy to upload any images/video(?) of the ''BSG'' DVD menus? I think it would add a certain layer and provide for those who have yet to buy the DVDs, are just curious to see how the other Region DVDs look, or wanted to compare how the designs for each changed over time (i.e. the difference between [[Battlestar Galactica - Season One (Region 1 DVD)|Season 1 (Region 1 DVD)]] and [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 1 DVD)|Season 3]]).--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:A good question. Stills of the menus should be OK. Videos may be excessive from a size standpoint unless the interface has a definitive look that's appealing and unique. The differences between the regions (which is possible since the studios may license the packaging and interface to different companies in the world for distribution) would a benefit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Concerning some of the planets ==

OK, since the message I left on [[Category talk:Planets]] has been ignored for nearly a week, I though I would leave a message here to express a concern, that some of the "planets" on the planets category are actually moons. So I am wondering if we could either move the category to "Planets and Moons", or just simply start a Moon category. What do you admins think. I thank you all in advance. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 00:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
: We could do either. Six of one, half dozen of the other, IMHO. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

== Credit lists ==

Before I go ahead and transcribed more, is it against any sort of policy to have the credits listed here as they appear on the show?
Here's the lists I have so far:
*[[User:DrWho42/Miniseries End Credits|Miniseries End Credits]]
*[[User:DrWho42/33 End Credits|33 End Credits]]
*[[User:DrWho42/Razor End Credits|Razor End Credits]] (''incomplete'')
--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 14:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

: Nope. We may need to beautify the lists though, in the way that the [[List of pilots]] or the cast and crew lists already are. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

== Firefox Add-on ==

Is there a possibility of having a Battlestar Wiki search engine for Firefox (as it isn't listed here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:4/cat:all?sort=name )?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 18:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
:Who would program it? Is there a "kit" of sorts to do so? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, in Firefox, if you click on the drop down item next to the search bar, you should see something like '''Add "Battlestar Wiki (en)"''' in the drop-down menu. Just click on that, and you should be able to search the wiki via Firefox's built in search apparatus. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sadly, when I did that with 3.0.4, I got an error message in trying to add it. I've been loving the idea of creating an iPhone/iTouch app that would be a search engine for BW-En as well...I might write a developer to see if he can extend one of his products. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
:::''"Firefox could not download the search plugin from:
<nowiki>http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/opensearch_desc.php</nowiki>"''- Annoying, cos I could do it in Firefox 2. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Links on the left ==

Anyone know why I have more useful links below the search box when I am logged out than when I am logged in? When logged in, I only have one box named Projects, but when logged out, it is replaced by Navigation, Series and Support. [[User:Caldumidoan|Caldumidoan]] 07:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
: It's a configuration issue with one of the mediawiki extensions that we use to generate the sidebars... I'll try to look into it over the holiday weekend. Working on final corrections to the auction catalog right now, so that's why I haven't fixed that issue yet. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== Skin problems ==

Since the [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2008/12/27/new-skin/ monobook-based skins were disabled], several users have been getting blank pages or error 500s while logged in. This seems to be the result of having a disabled skin selected, this problem can be solved by going to [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&useskin=battlestar http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&useskin=battlestar]. Is there a large-scale solution? For example using a mediawiki extension which uses the the default skin if a user's current skin is disabled, or going into the user settings and do an automated mass search and replace to give everyone who currently using a disabled skin the new default skin. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Crap.I have to ru a database comand to fix that. I will do that now. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's my fault. Sorry about that. Shane, let me know the sit rep on that, OK? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::After 10 days... everything should be good. I used a mass. command to reset everyone back to the default skin. Including our own admin peter. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Featured Article and Featured Pic ==

Any objections to someone just "executively" deciding to update them before next week? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 23:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:If you don't get to it, I'll try in the next 24. Joe is a little busy with the auction, and hopefully other admins will jump back on to aid a bit. I'll be putting in more time here to keep the cruft down. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::Looks like it's "Return of the Admins" week. :D [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

==No Navigation==
So, uh, I can't see the thing on the left with things like "recent changes" and stuff in it anymore. Using default skin. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems to work now [[User:OTW|OTW]] 22:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

And now it's gone again. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Still not there. I get it if I log out though.--[[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:Hmm. That makes me wonder if it has something to do with the logic that switches up the contents of the navigation bar based on your user group. Sounds like a Shane or Joe question to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:I concur. I'd hate for someone to do edits and find that they didn't save because they used the browser's back button or something. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I'll double check. But under my 'Navigation' when I do a preview, 'Recent Changes' is still there... [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 04:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe assign yourself to the same group as OTW? (Or create a dummy account that mirrors OTW's privs?) Seeing as how you're in the sysop group (amongst others), the results might be different. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's still not there. I am missing the entire navigation box, not just RC [[User:OTW|OTW]]

:I have this same issue and have for a while now. It happens on all the different skins. --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 23:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== Cubit Related Images ==

I have tried from 4 different computers at 4 different locations to view the "Related Images" section towards the bottom of the page. Each time a 100 cubit note pops up for about 5 seconds and then it vanishes. After that I am unable to see any of the pics in this section. Why? Is there some special kind of trick I need to use? Please help?

== Hulu content ==

While rolling the dice, I've run across quite a few of the pages with Hulu content that are broken or are pointing at videos that no longer exist. Just an FYI, we need to do some cleanup on these. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 16:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, I've fixed all the original series Hulu links. The 1980 and RDM episodes we had no longer exist on Hulu, that I can find. Those pages should probably be deleted and the links removed from episode guides. There are new RDM episodes but I'm hesitant to create pages/link them as I don't know about the shelf-life (how long will they remain available?). Thoughts? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 17:47, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, cleaned up all Hulu content. Unavailable stuff is gone and episodes that are available are linked. I even got wild and linked "[[The Face of the Enemy]]". Also, I appear to be having a conversation with myself ... I'm so lonely ... [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 01:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks! Yeah, I can relate. You should see some of the conversations I have over at the podcast project. I can be a bit of a taskmaster sometimes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Content being copied to Wikipedia ==

Do you guys have any opinion on your content being copied and pasted to Wikipedia? If I understand correctly your content is covered by a non-commercial only license, so I don't think it's allowed. Right? [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 23:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Correct. Our content is mostly CC:NC, so it's not license compatible w/ Wikipedia. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Strange behavior in Recent Changes ==

Since last week I noticed that the advanced recent changes format (which shows collapsed entries for me) disappeared. Cycling the setting and refreshing the browser did nothing.

And now the new users pages show filled pages and double entries, instead of the standard red new pages and single entry if someone's welcomed them.

The wiki's not falling apart like ''Galactica'', is it? Shane? :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:hah. It has to... we follow Galactica into Battle! I think it's because there was an extension loaded called 'NewUserLog' before it was built into 1.14.0. That might be causing you problems. I just disabled the other plugin, but we won't see if that fixes until a new user. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 22:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::No joy. I don't see ANY red links in Recent Changes...and new user's talk pages continue to show non-red, even before we splat a welcome message there. Do we need some Cylon plug-in glue? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Oops. Didn't communicate here very well. It's currently WAD (working as designed), as they got rid of the red from the RC (in part because Shane hates seeing red there). The only consolation I could give on that front (outside of trying to wrangle with Shane over the color schemes) is that if you mouseover the talk pages it will show whether a page is not created (at least it does in Chrome, so I'd assume it applies to Safari). But Shane DID fix the double entry for the new user thing. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Okie-dokie. The show's characters aren't the only ones not dealing with change well... :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Earth (RDM)/Archive 1

2008-08-03T17:13:24Z

Pearse:

== Earth uninhabited/primitve/catastrophe?? ==

Everyone has still the amazing finale of Season 3 in mind. We were able to take a look at the Earth of BSG RDM. Although, we could see the familiar blue planet for a few seconds only, it was enough to determine one fact: There were no major cities visible from orbit, nor any other signs indicating that earth is actually inhabited with a highly advanced civilization. This leads to the question what happend to the thirteenth tribe? Were they wiped out? Are they much more primitive than their 12 brothers? Or something completely different? In my opinion I believe that Earth is the true origin of mankind and that the remaining citizens of the planet have developed in the 4000 years since the exodus to such advanced and godlike beings (maybe comparable to the beings of Stargate, the ancients) that they no longer need to live in high-tech cities, but travel through the universe with their powers. I mean, look at the episode Maelstrom. I think an earth human took the role of Leoben to prepare Kara for their "life and death experience". If they are able to communicate with humans in dreams, pull viper pilots to earth in a maelstrom and even reverse the death of Kara Thrace than the earth humans must be extremely powerful beings! {{unsigned|Cortes}}

:I sure hope that it's uninhabited - but perhaps habitable again - and that it's the true origin of mankind. It still wouldn't explain the close technological and cultural similarities after thousands of years, but everything else would pretty much destroy the show in my eyes. Especially if it were an advanced society. This just isn't the type of show to either have incorporeal beings or have a story resolved by magical new technology. An alternative would be a complete parallel universe, where humans didn't develop on Earth. But that whole Earth thing has never been a favorite of mine anyways and is beginning to take up way too much screen time. I never felt that the show was ''about'' the search for Earth and liked it when that story went on in the background.

:Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or use the "sign your name" quick link in the edit box. That will add a timestamp and a signature after your posts. Moreover, for this type of speculative questions, I'd recommend [http://battlestarforum.com/index.php Battlestar Forum] (run by the same people as the wiki, though not as populated) over talk pages. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:41, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

== Age of Lion's Head Beacon ==

Is there a reference for the age of 3000 years of the beacon? The article about the beacon says nothing about it. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 16:57, 14 December 2007 (CST)
:It's mentioned in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" that the disease carried on the beacon is an exact match to one that was last reported "reported over 3,000 years ago. Right around the time that the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|13th Tribe]] left [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]." I think that's where that comes from, which conflicts with Elosha's statement that the 13th Tribe left Kobol 4,000 years ago by the way. The [[Timeline (RDM)#Ancient History|timeline]] seems to suggest that they just went back later and left it there. You're right that ought to be in that article, I say go for it. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 02:25, 15 December 2007 (CST)

== Earth Time? ==

Given that things that happened on Galactica were tied into our reality here on Earth in some way, in the past or the future, or some other connection, in Season 4, when Earth be found, the year is 1940, during World War II. Or 10,000 BC or 2020, or present year (2008). I'm not sure at the moment, since creators avoid citing whether BSG takes place on the series' Earth's past, present, or future. [[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 08:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Picture ==

We need a picture of the post-apocalyptic earth. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if it's kosher to take it , but io9 pasted together a bunch of screenshots to get a panoramic here: http://io9.com/5018043/wheres-starbuck - I think we also need a Temple of Aurora cap. My friend said one of the burned out structures is clearly the remains of the Brooklyn Bridge. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:Jackdavinci|Jackdavinci]] 14:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think it's IO9's panorama, as I saw it elsewhere first. I have a nice temple of aurora cap, but every time I upload it gets "internal error, can't move file..." --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 17:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

An interesting tidbit here, someone's uploaded pics of the set on flickr. Doesn't sound like it was even guarded. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/quite_contrary/1975927273/in/set-1004458/ Flickr pics]--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 17:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Kara's 'Yellow Moon' Comment ==

The original page formerly included this:
"[[Kara Thrace]]'s description of the moon she sees as 'yellow,' and the fact that this matches the scroll of Pythia, is curious and unexplained. Her photo shows a yellowish moon during a partial lunar eclipse over a mostly gray-white planet, though she described the planet as blue with white clouds. However, the photographs are very desaturated—to the point of being black and white—and very likely don't represent the true colors. She may have intended to say 'yellow star and moon' (referring to the star as yellow) instead of 'yellow moon and star.'"

This "note" stems largely from ignorance of the true color of objects in our solar system. The moon is not, despite what we see in the sky, grey and white. It is a dull mix of browns, rusts, and yellows. It could easily be described as "yellow" when viewed from space and in partial illumination from the Sun. The moon has an albedo of 0.12 (in other words, it is a relatively ''dark'' body), and only appears in the highly desaturated shades we see it due to the intensity of sunlight reflecting off it. See this real-color image for a visual: [http://cwx.prenhall.com/bookbind/pubbooks/chaissonat4/chapter1/medialib/image/g_earth_moon.jpeg].

Kara's comment was spot on. Also, our star is not really yellow--it is very close to 6500K white, but appears exaggeratedly yellow due to the same Rayleigh scattering that makes the sky blue.

-- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 05:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

: Great catch! Thanks! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The Fleet (TRS)

2008-05-16T15:11:31Z

Pearse: /* Seen but unnamed */

:''This article involves the fleet of [[FTL|faster-than-light]]-capable civilian ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on its [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight]] counterpart in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see [[The Fleet (TOS)]]. For general information on other articles pertaining to fleets, see: [[Fleet (disambiguation)]].''

'''The Fleet''' is a convoy of ships sheltering the human survivors of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]]. The Fleet forms the backdrop of the drama of the [[Re-imagined Series]].

[[Image:Mini side fleet.jpg|thumb|right|400px|The Fleet in formation ([[Miniseries]]).]]
==Overview==
"The Fleet" originates as a convoy of about 60 commercial and civilian ships in the space surrounding [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. [[Laura Roslin]] - with the aid of [[Sharon Valerii]] - initiates the clustering of stranded vessels in the aftermath of the Cylon invasion of the Twelve Colonies, thus forming the convoy. Twenty of these ships are abandoned to a squadron of attacking [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] because they either lack [[FTL]] drives, or are damaged, like ''[[Gemenon Liner 1701]]''. The remaining vessels join battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' - the only Colonial warship [[Pegasus (RDM)|known]] to have survived the Cylon attack - in the upper atmosphere of the gas giant [[Ragnar]]. From here on, ''Galactica'' shoulders the role of the Fleet's protector ([[Miniseries]]).

[[Anastasia Dualla]] explains in "[[33]]" that 53 ships have jumped away from an attacking Cylon baseship, with 10 still reporting trouble with their FTL drives. Adding ''Galactica'' to this tally, results in a total number of 64 ships. [[Saul Tigh]]'s statement in "[[The Farm]]" that the 24 ships departing with the [[Laura Roslin faction]] represent "almost a third of the fleet", implies that the number of ships in the Fleet is approximately in the mid-70's. By "[[The Passage]]", there are likely fewer ships left in the Fleet because of the ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' destruction ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]) and the settlement and emergency exodus of [[New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

The political and social troubles befalling the Fleet as it wanders through space, serve as a metaphor for all of humanity, since the Fleet literally ''is'' what is left of humanity in the television series.

The phrase "the Fleet" functions not only as a signifier for the actual ships of the convoy, but as an indicator of the people on board, and therefore for mankind. Often the term is used to refer to the civilian populations, as opposed to the military personnel of ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''. Usage of the term "the Fleet" has not gained more than an informal acceptance, as can be seen by President Roslin's continued use of the term ''President of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]''. This may be interpreted either as an expression of hope that the people of the Fleet will re-establish themselves on a new world, or a psychological inability to accept the Fleet as the only home that humanity will know for a long time.

==Ships==
* Colonial ships use [[launch key]]s to activate the ship's systems ([[Precipice]]). The keys are unique to each vessel and are extremely difficult to copy.
====Military Vessels====
* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', last remaining [[Galactica type battlestar|original battlestar]], main protector and flagship of the Fleet, under direct command of [[William Adama]] ([[Miniseries]])
*{{ShipDestroyed|''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a [[Mercury class battlestar]] formerly commanded by [[Helena Cain]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]), [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]) and [[Barry Garner]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]). Under the command of [[Lee Adama]] when it is destroyed during the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part II]])}}

====Government Vessels====
* {{ShipDestroyed|''[[Cloud Nine]]'', a luxury liner designed to mimic the environment of a habitable planet}}
**Meeting place of the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] ([[Colonial Day]])
**Destroyed by a nuclear warhead along with at least three other ships ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* ''[[Colonial One]]'', President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s flagship and seat of the spaceborne Colonial government ([[Miniseries]])

====Civilian Vessels====
* ''[[Astral Queen]]'', a prison ship where [[Tom Zarek]] is found and later leader of the [[Laura Roslin faction]] ("[[Bastille Day]]", "[[Home, Part I]]")
* {{ShipDestroyed|''[[Botanical Cruiser]]'': A sublight-only vessel that was destroyed ([[Miniseries]])}}
** One [[FTL]]-equipped Botanical Cruiser still exists within the Fleet ("[[The Passage]]", "[[He That Believeth In Me]]")
* ''[[Daru Mozu]]'', the Fleet's [[tylium]] refinery ship. Damaged by a suicide bomber ([[Epiphanies]]) and the site of a worker's strike much later ([[Dirty Hands]])
* [[Gemini (RDM)|''Gemini'']], a freighter (Miniseries)
** At least one similar ship is seen throughout the Fleet
* ''[[Gideon]]'', a supply ship involved in an incident where four civilians are killed by ''Galactica'' [[Marines]]. Later appeared on voting tally boards during the election and survives after [[New Caprica]]. ("[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", "[[The Son Also Rises]]")
* ''[[Prometheus]]'', an "off the grid" freighter involved in the [[black market (organization)|black market]]
* ''[[Space Park]]''. Arguably the easiest identifiable civilian ship due to its large ring. (No specific name has been given to the ship other than its [[Sci Fi Channel]] website reference.). Severely damaged during the Battle of the Ionian Nebula (He That Believeth In Me)
* At least six ''[[Colonial Movers]]'' heavy transport ships, at least three of which are among the remaining ships of the fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]])
** One is destroyed in the ''Cloud Nine'' disaster
* ''[[Demetrius]]'', a sewage recycling ship. Given to [[Kara Thrace]] and a select crew to try to find Earth ([[Six of One]])

=====[[Luxury liner|Passenger and luxury liners]]=====
* ''[[Chrion]]'', successfully shepherded to the [[algae planet]] (The Passage)
* {{ShipDestroyed|''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', destroyed after an apparent Cylon takeover ([[33]])}}
* {{ShipDestroyed|''[[Pyxis]]''. Successfully shepherded to the [[algae planet]] ([[The Passage]]), but later destroyed in the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]] (He That Believeth In Me)}}
* An unnamed Gemenon Liners passenger cruiser (33)
* An unnamed [[Pan Galactic]] spaceliner (Miniseries, "Exodus, Part II", "The Passage")

=====''Celestra'' Type=====
* ''[[Celestra (RDM)|Celestra]]'' (mentioned only) ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* ''[[Striker]]'', damaged in a refueling operation overseen by Captain [[George Birch]] ([[Home, Part I]])

=====''Kimba Huta'' type=====
* ''[[Gemenon Traveller]]'', a civilian ship where a copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] is captured. Later seen in voting tallies in the election ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]")
* ''[[Kimba Huta]]'', a cold storage vessel. Featured in "[[The Farm]]" and visible on the vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Thera Sita]]'', successfully shepherded to algae planet ([[The Passage]]). Temporarily transfers refugees to ''Galactica'' in "[[The Woman King]]"
**At least four similar transports throughout the Fleet, at least three remain after [[New Caprica]].

=====[[Flattop]] type=====
* {{ShipDestroyed|''[[Carina]]'', a salvage and repair ship. Lost in transit in a star cluster ([[The Passage]])}}
* ''[[Virgon Express]]'' ([[Water]]). Visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"

=====[[Mining Ship]]s=====
* ''[[Majahual]]'', a mining ship digging for crucial metals ([[Scar]])
* ''[[Monarch]]'', a mining ship that joins the [[Laura Roslin faction]] ([[Home, Part I]]). Mentioned in "[[Collaborators]]".
**At least four mining ships remain (including ''Monarch'') ([[Crossroads, Part II]])

=====Mentioned Only=====
* ''[[Adrasteia]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* {{ShipDestroyed|''[[Adriatic]]'', a member of the Roslin faction armed with ship-to-ship missiles ([[Home, Part I]]). Lost in transit in a star cluster ([[The Passage]])}}
* ''[[Amduatey]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II''
* ''[[Aether]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Argo Navis]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Aurora (ship)|Aurora]]'', visible on the vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Azimenarius]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Baah Pakal]]'', a ship carrying unused [[DDG-62]] engines aboard ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).
* ''[[Boreas]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Bretan]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Carillian Trader]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Cassandra]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Coronis]]'' ([[Litmus]], deleted scene)
* ''[[Cybele]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II". Successfully shepherded to the [[algae planet]] ([[The Passage]])
* ''[[Clymene]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Diomedes]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Embla Brokk]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Enkidu]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Epheme]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Faru Sadin]]'', successfully shepherded to algae planet ([[The Passage]])
* ''[[Freighter 212]]'', a ship [[Louanne Katraine]] apparently had some "buddies" on ([[Final Cut]])
* ''[[Galatea]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Greenleaf]]'', a freighter where [[Asha Janik]] and [[Ray Abinell]] were maintenance workers ([[Sacrifice]]). Mentioned in "[[Crossroads, Part I]]"
* ''[[Harrak]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Hexare]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Hitei Kan]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II". In the Fleet after the exodus from New Caprica ([[Maelstrom]])
* ''[[Kara Nexal]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[McConnell]]'', a supply ship frequented by Commander [[Jack Fisk]]
* ''[[Mutem Wia]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Odysseus]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Persephone]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Picon 36]]'', [[Miniseries]]
* ''[[Picon Princess]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Rhadamantrys]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'', mentioned frequently ("[[33]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", "[[Colonial Day]]", "[[Scattered]]")
* ''[[Salpica]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II". Mentioned as the home of [[Samuel Anders]] in "[[Unfinished Business (Extended Version)]]
* ''[[Sargon]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Scorpia Traveller]]'', a ship that carried a suicide bomber copy of [[Aaron Doral]] ([[Litmus]])
* ''[[Swordfish]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Tarbadek]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Tauranian Traveller]]'', mentioned in a deleted scene in "[[33]]" and visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Tora Bashiri]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Virga]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Zephyr]]'', carries the Quorum of Twelve ([[Fragged]]). Fake voting ballots come from this ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Home ship of [[Alan Hughes]], [[Gaius Baltar]]'s first lawyer ([[The Son Also Rises]])
* ''[[Zeusuda]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"

:'''Note:''' Many of the ship names first seen on the voting board are also used in later episodes, both for mentioned-only and seen ships. As such, it is clear that the writers have a list of the ships to pick names from and don't just make up new ones.

=====Seen but unnamed=====
* ''[[Five-engined vessel]]'', seen above [[Caprica City]] ([[Miniseries]]) and during the escape from [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* ''[[Wedge-shaped vessel]]'', seen briefly during the end of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Tubed vessel]]'', seen throughout the Fleet and jumping away from New Caprica at the end of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II"
* ''[[Rising Star (TOS)|Rising Star type vessel]]'', seen briefly in "[[Escape Velocity]]".
* {{ShipDestroyed|''[[Yellow vessel]]'', seen throughout the Fleet until the destruction of ''Cloud 9'' (Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II)}}
* {{ShipDestroyed|''[[Long-necked vessel]]'', seen throughout the Fleet until the destruction of ''Cloud 9'' (Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II)}}

:'''Note''': Any of these vessels is probably identical to one of the mentioned only ones above.

==Demographics==
A few points of information are available concerning the demographics of the Fleet. In "[[33]]", before the destruction of the Olympic Carrier, there are 5,251 survivors from Sagittaron and 49,998 total survivors. In "[[Home, Part I]]", the [[Laura Roslin faction]] leaves the Fleet with 18,000 individuals, of which 9,500 ware Gemenese and 6,250 were Capricans. At that time the total population of the Fleet is 47,857.

This information is sparse, but it gives a general idea of the population breakdown of the Fleet if a few assumptions are made for the sake of argument.
*Note that Gemenon and Caprica have more citizens in the Roslin faction alone than Sagittaron has in the entire Fleet. The Twelve Colonies are clearly not represented in equal proportion.
*Before the destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier'', Sagittaron natives make up 10.50% of the Fleet. Solely for the purpose of argument, it is assumed that the ''Olympic Carrier'''s population breakdown was identical to the rest of the Fleet's and that Sagittaron continues to make up 10.50% of the Fleet's total population.
*The figures from the Roslin faction can be interpreted in several ways:
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics1.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 1: All Gemenese and Capricans jump to Kobol with the Roslin faction.
::*Caprica: 6,250 persons (13%)
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (20%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (11%)
::*Others: 27,081 (57%)<br clear="both">
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics2.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 2: All Gemenese jump to Kobol with the Roslin faction, lured by the "religion card", but the Caprican portion of the Roslin faction is representative of the Fleet.
::*Caprica: 28,204 persons (59%)
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (20%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (11%)
::*Others: 5,127 persons (11%)<br clear="both">
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics3.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 3: Caprican and Gemenese portions of the Roslin faction are representative of the Fleet.
::*Caprica: 16,617 persons (35%)
::*Gemenon: 25,258 persons (53%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (11%)
::*Others: 956 (2%)<br clear="both">
*Although it is plausible that the Caprican population is substantially larger than the other Colonies, as ''Colonial Heavy 798'' is in the vicinity when the attack begins, and is the nucleus around which the Fleet rallies, it is unlikely that the populations of each colony are grossly unequal, or else the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] would be a very poor system of government. The likeliest scenario is therefore somewhere in between assumptions 1 and 2, with nearly all of the Gemenon population (drawn by the "religion card") and a large portion of the Caprican population leaving with Roslin.
*Alternatively, it is possible that the population of the Colonies are grossly unequal. Although the structure of the Quorum of Twelve appears to maintain at least a fiction that the Colonies are roughly equal, next to nothing is known about how the [[Government|governmental]] system of the Colonies was established or how it evolved over time. Indeed, the United States Senate, for example, by design expressly assumes that the various states constituting it are 'equal' even though this is clearly not the case in terms of their respective populations. Furthermore, the fact that a system of government is 'poor' or else not representatively proportional does not mean it cannot actually be implemented and even survive for long periods of time.

As for the population distribution, the population of several ships is known: ''Galactica'' (2,693 as of "[[Water]]"), the ''Olympic Carrier'' (1,345 as of "[[33]]"), ''Astral Queen'' (1,500 as of "[[Bastille Day]]", [[List of retcons (RDM)|retconned]] up from 500 in the Miniseries) and ''Pyxis'' (600 when destroyed in "[[He That Believeth In Me]]"). There are 176 civilians in the cargo hold of ''[[Colonial One]]'' in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". The Fleet is stated at about 75 ships in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", retconned up from 40 in the Miniseries.
*Going by the 75 ship count, the remaining ships besides ''Galactica'' and the ''Astral Queen'' each carry about 600 persons on average.
*The 23 ships that leave with the [[Laura Roslin faction]], apart from the ''Astral Queen'', would have an average population of about 720 persons per ship.

The Fleet's population has declined by about 8,000 since the above.

==Notes==
*Unofficially, many viewers refer to the Fleet as the "RTF"; "Rag Tag Fleet", or more fully, "RTFF." These nicknames come from the term "Rag Tag Fugitive Fleet," a name used in the opening credits voice over of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] (performed by series creator [[Lorne Greene]]), describing the [[The Fleet (TOS)|civilian refugee fleet]].
* In the [[Miniseries]], astute viewers may recognize three spacecraft with notable resemblances of ships from other SF universes. The first two of these ships aren't considered a [[Canon|canonical]] part of the series or the Fleet, but their appearance adds a bit of humor and pays homage to other notable science fiction and their creative staff.
:* ''Serenity'', the central ship from the TV series ''[[Wikipedia:Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]]'' and the motion picture ''[[Wikipedia:Serenity (film)|Serenity]]'', [[:md:Image:SerenityBSGMini.JPG|appears briefly in the sky]] outside the window of a doctor's office where viewers first see [[Laura Roslin]]. The ship does not appear in the Fleet.
:* The original USS [[MemoryAlpha:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)|''Enterprise'' (NCC-1701)]] from the original ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' TV series makes a cameo in the [[:md:Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|last shot of the Fleet]] as [[Elosha]] chants a prayer in the memorial service near the end of the Miniseries. Look to the upper right corner for the ship in a still frame. All Season 1 [[opening credits]] use this shot, so ''Enterprise'' makes a very quick appearance with each of the first 13 episodes (This is best viewed from the [[Season 1 DVD]] set).
:*The ill-fated [[Botanical Cruiser]] in the Miniseries was added in homage to the [[Agro Ship]] from the Original Series, which in turn were the re-used models from the SF film ''[[Wikipedia:Silent Running|Silent Running]]'', a Universal/MCA movie that special effects guru [[John Dykstra]] worked on a few years prior. At least one FTL-capable version of this ship survives and exists in the Fleet ([[The Passage]]).

==See Also==
*[[:Category:Colonial Craft|Colonial Craft]]

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Rising Star (TOS)

2008-05-10T22:09:41Z

Pearse: /* Notes */

:''This article is about the Rising Star as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] version , see [[Rising Star (RDM)]].''

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| image= Risingstar.jpg
| title= Rising Star
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| role= Luxury Liner
}}
'''''T.S.S. Rising Star''''' is one of the 220 civilian ships of [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica's]]'' [[The Fleet (TOS)|rag-tag fugitive fleet]].

== History ==

Prior to the [[Battle of Cimtar]] and subsequent fall of the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies]], the ''Rising Star'' was a luxury liner operated by [[Trans Stellar Spacelines]] ([[Saga of a Star World]]) which traveled throughout the Colonies and various sectors in the Colonial sphere of influence ([[The Long Patrol]]). It is capable of both atmospheric and space flight, as well as planetary landing and unaided launch ([[Murder on the Rising Star]]).

''Rising Star'' consists of at least seven decks, including an "elite" level and storage facilities inaccessible by passengers ([[Saga of a Star World]]). Among these levels are a gambling chancelory ("[[The Man with Nine Lives]]", "[[Murder on the Rising Star]]"), guest rooms ([[The Long Patrol]]), dining level ([[The Long Patrol]]) and recreation level where visitors could watch [[Triad (TOS)|Triad]] competitions ([[Murder on the Rising Star]]). She also contains a main waiting area for passengers that arrive and depart the ship ([[The Man with Nine Lives]]) and various entertainment areas, such as open stages where dances and shows are performed ("[[War of the Gods, Part II]]", "[[The Man with Nine Lives]]").

Her crew consists of various hired security guards, [[maitre d']]s, chancery game operators and other crew employed by Trans Stellar Spacelines.

== After the Thousand-Yahren War ==
[[Image:Rising-star00.jpeg|thumb|left|The ''Rising Star'']]
With the [[Thousand-Yahren War]] resulting in a devestating defeat for the Colonials, ''Rising Star'' became one of the 220 ships to survive the Cylons' holocaust. Under the direction of ''Galactica'''s [[Warriors]], including Flight Sergeant [[Ortega]], ''Rising Star'' is used to rescue any surviving women and children on [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Despite these restrictions, Ortega takes bribes by at least three men for spots aboard the ship ([[Murder on the Rising Star]]).

After the Fleet was settled, [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]] opens the dining level on ''Rising Star'' as a morale booster among the survivors, in the hopes of giving them an evening to look forward too. So popular is this idea that the waiting list is noted to be at least a [[yahren]] long ([[The Long Patrol]]).

Further, many of the facilities aboard the ''Rising Star'' are used by the survivors in the Fleet, including the chancery, dancing halls, and for sports, such as Triad. Shuttles between ships in the Fleet, such as the ''[[Canaris]]'', ferry survivors to and from the ''Rising Star'' ([[The Man with Nine Lives]]).
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== Notes ==
*A ship matching the design of the ''Rising Star'' appears in [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]'s civilian fleet in "[[Razor]]", as one of many visual nods to the Original Series in the episode. However, it cannot be the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' herself, as these ships were abandoned and did not make contact with [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s civilian fleet.

*Another ship of the same configuration has been seen in Galactica's fleet [[Escape Velocity]], though no details have been given.

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Talk:Launch tube (TRS)/Archive 1

2008-05-10T21:56:48Z

Pearse: /* Physical Configuration? */

About the picture:
That's from "Hand of God" when Strikforce 2 is waiting in/on the freighter. But it doesn't really fit into an article about launch tubes. A good shot might be Kara in the tube from the Miniseries --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:04, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
: Good catch. I'll scrounge for a more appropriate image. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::I have something perfect in mind, I'll upload it later tonight. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:15, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Cool. Then I won't have to do it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 17:21, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== Operational Status ==
Are all the launch tubes operational now? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:21, 2 January 2007 (CST)

:Some people claim that Vipers launched for the starboard pod in "Exodus, Part II", but as far as I can see, you can't tell from the visuals whether it was the starboard or port flightpod.
:In "A Measure of Salvation" Apollo orders a Raptor to land in the starboard pod, but that doesn't have to mean that the launch tubes are operational as well. Could be, but there is no definite evidence --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:49, 2 January 2007 (CST)
:Well, as part of the decomissioning, one would probably assume that those functions were removed (after all the coils were removed from Big G as well). After all it would really suck if some kid opened the launch tube and [[Collaborators|pulled a Jammer]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:10, 2 January 2007 (CST)

::In the Miniseries, Tyrol says about the Vipers in the museum "Well the reactors are still hot." so I don't think the Colonials had safety at the top of the "What's a museum" list. If the tubes were disabled, it would have been easy to fix, if something important was removed, Galactica probably would have been able to get replacements at Ragnor while they were loading up on ordnance. So I'm guessing if it would be capable to repair the tubes. [[User:WZ Lawrence|WZ Lawrence]] 22:58, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:::Hi, WZ. Since ''Galactica'' would be more versatile if it could repair both flight pods and their launch tubes, it likely would have. But the museum conversion appears to have been a very permanent matter, ripping or removing hardware for an aged battlestar with no place to find secondary parts, not even from the advanced ''Pegasus''. The term "reactors are still hot" is left to speculation as it has never been further explained. Since [[tylium]], not a nuclear reactor, propels all ships, the reactor ''might'' be a small electric generator for the [[avionics]] and other flight controls. [[Ragnar Anchorage]] was only a depot of ammo, not significant repair hardware, certainly unlikely containing resources for a 50-year-old battlestar. It's obvious that they cannot repair as they've used the starboard hangar for [[Camp Oil Slick|non-launch needs]], and the pod is left for other storage, still depressurized from "[[Scattered]]''. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:32, 4 November 2007 (CDT)

== Evidence ==
Where are the evidence for the info in the first para regarding the launch tube setup? All I've ever seen is one tube and one supervisor. --[[User:Cohnee|Cohnee]] 07:30, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:Good question. I suspect if it's legit someone may be getting their info from a sourcebook or some such. That's awfully detailed. Either way it deserves a cite of where it came from. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:44, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:The 5*8 arrangement might be derived from the spacing on the CGI model. All in all, it seems to be from something like the BSG magazine though --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:50, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== criminals/people thing ==

It's a small quibble, but I don't like using the term "criminals" since it's a value judgement. It's basically accepting the Circle's actions and ideas, and no matter their good intentions, their means are highly questionable. Jury, judge and executioner in one person. Gaeta was convicted, but he certainly wasn't a criminal. And not all of their victims might have been guilty to the same degree. So saying something like "people" or "accused" is less POV IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 8 January 2007 (CST)

:From a purely objective point of view, "criminals" is a perfect term. They were convicted of commiting a crime. Definitionally, that makes them criminals. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:02, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::Convicted by whom? A biased "court" that wasn't really legal itself. Nothing objective about that. By your definition, political dissidents in - let's say China - are ''objectively'' criminals. It's a POV thing, and there are certainly people who agree with the Circle. No problem; we don't really don't need to discuss that in all its depth here. "Convicts" looks better and should satisfy both sides of the issue --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:18, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:::The Circle was a legal court appointed by the legally appointed sitting President. But you do have a point, convicts wraps this whole dealie up quite nicely, nice edit SV :-) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:32, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::::Well, as said a huge argument isn's worth it here, but a tribunal that acts as judge, jury and executioner, is very biased because of its experiences (an impartial tribunal would have consisted of people who weren't on NC), deals with whole cases within minutes, tries people in absentia without representation, and also acts in secret, isn't perfectly legal. Not from what we've seen of Colonial law. Semi-legal maybe. And I think Zarek knew that well. I'm not saying all collaborators are innocent or don't deserve some punishment, but not like that. Let's just agree to disagree. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:41, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Agreeing to disagree is a god idea, but I do feel the need to kinda dispute one thing - a tribunal of only non-NC fleet members would be too out-of-touch, true impartiality would be half NC, half non-NC. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:04, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::::::Well, we could use the same words, but throw in the old scarequotes trick. "and venting the 'convicts' to space" or "and venting the 'convicted' to space". I was just trying to specify that the people being vented were the ones that the Circle did "try, convict and sentence", not necessarily indicate either way the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the "court". I have to admit I missed the note here and my initial edit was just an attempt to make "criminals" more neutral (for the reasons you outlined above). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:54, 9 January 2007 (CST)
:::::::I like the use of convicts, so barring no objections I'd say to keep it how it is. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 07:59, 9 January 2007 (CST)

== Page name ==

The page name should be singular. I suggest a move to "Launch tube (RDM)". Any thoughts? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>•[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 13:46, 14 January 2007 (CST)
:I don't know. Technically you might be right, but I think they are usually referred to in the plural. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:44, 14 January 2007 (CST)
::Still, naming conventions state than even when something is commonly mentioned in the plural, the article title itself should be singular. --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>•[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 16:12, 14 January 2007 (CST)
:::You are right. This should be changed imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 05:15, 18 January 2007 (CST)
::::I concur with Kevin W. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:02, 18 January 2007 (CST)

== Physical Configuration? ==
Has anyone figured out how the launch tubes fit within the model clearly shown on screen? Vipers are shown launching through transverse-mounted tubes at least 100m long, though the flight pod configuration clearly places the hangar deck at the outer edges of the ship (essentially direct in the place where the launch tubes supposedly are). The flight pods themselves are not wide enough for the launch tubes and definitely aren't wide enough to load Vipers AND show long tubes. Theories? -- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 21:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:Hi there. A good question. The width of the hangar deck plus tubes from interior to exterior should approximate the width of an entire pod. However, it's apparent that the battlestar has airlocks of various sizes. The one that Cally and [[Jammer]] were ejected from was not a Viper launch tube, but merely an airlock that a Raptor could fly from (although they are shown also being lifted back through the recovery lift and launched from inside a flight pod itself). The launch tube has to be long enough to accommodate the magnetic catapult, and series shots show it is qulte long. BSG does not dwell on the technicals of what occurs, although they are far from making [[technobabble]] to move the show along. The soundstages where BSG is shot aren't as big as you would think, so there is very likely times where things are dressed and redressed. And, remember, many scenes are shot with CGI, so the things we see don't really exist on a set, but just in a computer's memory. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've worked on making an accurate CG model of the flight pod interiors myself, so I've spent an awfully long time looking over references. The tubes that Cally and Jammer are ejected from are the exact same ones that vipers launch from. The raptors use lifts to launch from the landing deck, never the tubes (though they were seen stored in the launch tube airlocks in one episode). As for whether it could all fit within the flight pod, it is possible, though you have to ignore the occasional bit of artistic license. The launch tube tunnels are often made too look much longer than they should be because at the speed the vipers shoot through them, they'd be gone in a flash if they were shown at their true length. I'd say that on most occasions they're made to look at least twice as long as they really are. Another error was when in one episode they showed lifts which would have had to have been moving through the space where the launch tubes are. They'd just put them on the wrong side of the flight deck.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 21:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== A Day in the Life ==

Even though they used the launch tube set, this is not supposed to be a launch tube. The outer door is just that, a small door. Look when they blow it. Moreover, it's not even in the flightpod, but in the mainhull above the pod, facing aft. Above the launch bay opening when the pod would be retracted. Nicely visible at 29:15. So I don't think there should be any references to airlocks here, except maybe a cinematic note about the set (though it makes sense that the battlestar builders would use the same design for both instead of inventing something new). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:00, 19 February 2007 (CST)
: Agreed. This wasn't the launch tube, though comprised of similar sets. (Also, the thing I found interesting is that no one found someone's one-year old lunch that Seelix found in this episode, with the whole food-shortage issue that occurred previously...) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:29, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:Launch tube (TRS)/Archive 1

2008-05-10T21:56:08Z

Pearse: /* Physical Configuration? */

About the picture:
That's from "Hand of God" when Strikforce 2 is waiting in/on the freighter. But it doesn't really fit into an article about launch tubes. A good shot might be Kara in the tube from the Miniseries --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:04, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
: Good catch. I'll scrounge for a more appropriate image. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::I have something perfect in mind, I'll upload it later tonight. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:15, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Cool. Then I won't have to do it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 17:21, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== Operational Status ==
Are all the launch tubes operational now? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:21, 2 January 2007 (CST)

:Some people claim that Vipers launched for the starboard pod in "Exodus, Part II", but as far as I can see, you can't tell from the visuals whether it was the starboard or port flightpod.
:In "A Measure of Salvation" Apollo orders a Raptor to land in the starboard pod, but that doesn't have to mean that the launch tubes are operational as well. Could be, but there is no definite evidence --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:49, 2 January 2007 (CST)
:Well, as part of the decomissioning, one would probably assume that those functions were removed (after all the coils were removed from Big G as well). After all it would really suck if some kid opened the launch tube and [[Collaborators|pulled a Jammer]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:10, 2 January 2007 (CST)

::In the Miniseries, Tyrol says about the Vipers in the museum "Well the reactors are still hot." so I don't think the Colonials had safety at the top of the "What's a museum" list. If the tubes were disabled, it would have been easy to fix, if something important was removed, Galactica probably would have been able to get replacements at Ragnor while they were loading up on ordnance. So I'm guessing if it would be capable to repair the tubes. [[User:WZ Lawrence|WZ Lawrence]] 22:58, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:::Hi, WZ. Since ''Galactica'' would be more versatile if it could repair both flight pods and their launch tubes, it likely would have. But the museum conversion appears to have been a very permanent matter, ripping or removing hardware for an aged battlestar with no place to find secondary parts, not even from the advanced ''Pegasus''. The term "reactors are still hot" is left to speculation as it has never been further explained. Since [[tylium]], not a nuclear reactor, propels all ships, the reactor ''might'' be a small electric generator for the [[avionics]] and other flight controls. [[Ragnar Anchorage]] was only a depot of ammo, not significant repair hardware, certainly unlikely containing resources for a 50-year-old battlestar. It's obvious that they cannot repair as they've used the starboard hangar for [[Camp Oil Slick|non-launch needs]], and the pod is left for other storage, still depressurized from "[[Scattered]]''. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:32, 4 November 2007 (CDT)

== Evidence ==
Where are the evidence for the info in the first para regarding the launch tube setup? All I've ever seen is one tube and one supervisor. --[[User:Cohnee|Cohnee]] 07:30, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:Good question. I suspect if it's legit someone may be getting their info from a sourcebook or some such. That's awfully detailed. Either way it deserves a cite of where it came from. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:44, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:The 5*8 arrangement might be derived from the spacing on the CGI model. All in all, it seems to be from something like the BSG magazine though --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:50, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== criminals/people thing ==

It's a small quibble, but I don't like using the term "criminals" since it's a value judgement. It's basically accepting the Circle's actions and ideas, and no matter their good intentions, their means are highly questionable. Jury, judge and executioner in one person. Gaeta was convicted, but he certainly wasn't a criminal. And not all of their victims might have been guilty to the same degree. So saying something like "people" or "accused" is less POV IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 8 January 2007 (CST)

:From a purely objective point of view, "criminals" is a perfect term. They were convicted of commiting a crime. Definitionally, that makes them criminals. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:02, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::Convicted by whom? A biased "court" that wasn't really legal itself. Nothing objective about that. By your definition, political dissidents in - let's say China - are ''objectively'' criminals. It's a POV thing, and there are certainly people who agree with the Circle. No problem; we don't really don't need to discuss that in all its depth here. "Convicts" looks better and should satisfy both sides of the issue --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:18, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:::The Circle was a legal court appointed by the legally appointed sitting President. But you do have a point, convicts wraps this whole dealie up quite nicely, nice edit SV :-) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:32, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::::Well, as said a huge argument isn's worth it here, but a tribunal that acts as judge, jury and executioner, is very biased because of its experiences (an impartial tribunal would have consisted of people who weren't on NC), deals with whole cases within minutes, tries people in absentia without representation, and also acts in secret, isn't perfectly legal. Not from what we've seen of Colonial law. Semi-legal maybe. And I think Zarek knew that well. I'm not saying all collaborators are innocent or don't deserve some punishment, but not like that. Let's just agree to disagree. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:41, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Agreeing to disagree is a god idea, but I do feel the need to kinda dispute one thing - a tribunal of only non-NC fleet members would be too out-of-touch, true impartiality would be half NC, half non-NC. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:04, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::::::Well, we could use the same words, but throw in the old scarequotes trick. "and venting the 'convicts' to space" or "and venting the 'convicted' to space". I was just trying to specify that the people being vented were the ones that the Circle did "try, convict and sentence", not necessarily indicate either way the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the "court". I have to admit I missed the note here and my initial edit was just an attempt to make "criminals" more neutral (for the reasons you outlined above). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:54, 9 January 2007 (CST)
:::::::I like the use of convicts, so barring no objections I'd say to keep it how it is. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 07:59, 9 January 2007 (CST)

== Page name ==

The page name should be singular. I suggest a move to "Launch tube (RDM)". Any thoughts? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>•[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 13:46, 14 January 2007 (CST)
:I don't know. Technically you might be right, but I think they are usually referred to in the plural. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:44, 14 January 2007 (CST)
::Still, naming conventions state than even when something is commonly mentioned in the plural, the article title itself should be singular. --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>•[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 16:12, 14 January 2007 (CST)
:::You are right. This should be changed imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 05:15, 18 January 2007 (CST)
::::I concur with Kevin W. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:02, 18 January 2007 (CST)

== Physical Configuration? ==
Has anyone figured out how the launch tubes fit within the model clearly shown on screen? Vipers are shown launching through transverse-mounted tubes at least 100m long, though the flight pod configuration clearly places the hangar deck at the outer edges of the ship (essentially direct in the place where the launch tubes supposedly are). The flight pods themselves are not wide enough for the launch tubes and definitely aren't wide enough to load Vipers AND show long tubes. Theories? -- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 21:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:Hi there. A good question. The width of the hangar deck plus tubes from interior to exterior should approximate the width of an entire pod. However, it's apparent that the battlestar has airlocks of various sizes. The one that Cally and [[Jammer]] were ejected from was not a Viper launch tube, but merely an airlock that a Raptor could fly from (although they are shown also being lifted back through the recovery lift and launched from inside a flight pod itself). The launch tube has to be long enough to accommodate the magnetic catapult, and series shots show it is qulte long. BSG does not dwell on the technicals of what occurs, although they are far from making [[technobabble]] to move the show along. The soundstages where BSG is shot aren't as big as you would think, so there is very likely times where things are dressed and redressed. And, remember, many scenes are shot with CGI, so the things we see don't really exist on a set, but just in a computer's memory. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've worked on making an accurate CG model of the flight pod interiors myself, so I've spent an awfully long time looking over references. The tubes that Cally and Jammer are ejected from are the exact same ones that vipers launch from. The raptors use lifts to launch from the landing deck, never the tubes (though they were seen stored in the launch tube airlocks in one episode).

As for whether it could all fit within the flight pod, it is possible, though you have to ignore the occasional bit of artistic license. The launch tube tunnels are often made too look much longer than they should be because at the speed the vipers shoot through them, they'd be gone in a flash if they were shown at their true length. I'd say that on most occasions they're made to look at least twice as long as they really are. Another error was when in one episode they showed lifts which would have had to have been moving through the space where the launch tubes are. They'd just put them on the wrong side of the flight deck.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 21:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== A Day in the Life ==

Even though they used the launch tube set, this is not supposed to be a launch tube. The outer door is just that, a small door. Look when they blow it. Moreover, it's not even in the flightpod, but in the mainhull above the pod, facing aft. Above the launch bay opening when the pod would be retracted. Nicely visible at 29:15. So I don't think there should be any references to airlocks here, except maybe a cinematic note about the set (though it makes sense that the battlestar builders would use the same design for both instead of inventing something new). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:00, 19 February 2007 (CST)
: Agreed. This wasn't the launch tube, though comprised of similar sets. (Also, the thing I found interesting is that no one found someone's one-year old lunch that Seelix found in this episode, with the whole food-shortage issue that occurred previously...) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:29, 19 February 2007 (CST)

The Road Less Traveled

2008-05-03T22:20:18Z

Pearse: /* Questions */

{{spoiler}}

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| title= The Road Less Traveled
| season= 4
| episode= 5
| guests=
| forumthread= 1008
| writer=[[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| production=407
| rating=
| US airdate=1 May 2008
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| oldpoplation=39675
| population=39676
| prev= [[Escape Velocity]]
| next= [[Faith]]
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== Overview ==

: ''The prospect of a truce between the [[The Fleet (RDM)|remnants of humanity]] and the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]s encourages [[Kara Thrace]] to trust an old enemy.''

== Summary ==

=== On ''Galactica'' ===

=== On ''Demetrius'' ===

== Notes ==
*The title is derived from the poem "The Road Not Taken" by [[w:Robert Frost|Robert Frost]]
::''Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—''
::''I took the one less traveled by,''
::''And that has made all the difference.''
:The common interpretation is that one may be rewarded greatly by choosing a more difficult path than the one used by the crowd. The phrase may also have had a religious meaning for Frost, alluding to [http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat007.htm Matthew 7,12-14], which mentions a broad gate leading to destruction and a narrow gate leading to salvation. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://local.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426710|title=Google Answers: Origin of "road less travelled"}}</ref>
* The survivor count increases by one, meaning that at least one child has been born in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* It has been 58 days since the end of "[[Six of One]]", when Kara Thrace is given the command of the ''[[Demetrius]]''.
* Sergeant [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]]'s first name, Erin, is spoken for the first time on screen.
* Neither [[William Adama]] nor [[Laura Roslin]] appear in this episode. In both cases, this is [[Central character absences (RDM)|unprecendented]].

== Analysis ==


== Questions ==

* Does Conoy sense that Anders is a fellow Cylon?
* How will the situation on the ''Demetrius'' be resolved?
* Will Galen Tyrol begin to associate with Baltar?
* What have Tigh and Caprica-Six been doing recently?
* Why does Baltar's broadcast appear to soothe Nicholas Tyrol?

== Official Statements ==





== Noteworthy Dialogue ==



== Guest Stars ==

* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Specialist [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]
* [[Eileen Pedde]] as Sergeant [[Erin Mathias]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]
* [[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
* [[Lori Triolo]] as [[Phoebe]]

== External Links ==

== References ==
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{{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}

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Battlestar Galactica: Origins 3

2008-04-30T18:56:53Z

Pearse: /* Summary */

{{separate continuity|universe=RDM|cont=Dynamite Comics}}

{{Comic Data
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| writer= [[Kevin Fahey]]
| penciller= [[Jonathan Lau]]
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| cover= [[Fabio Laguna]]
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==Plot==

As [[Gaius Baltar (alternate)|Gaius Baltar]] recovers from being struck by a car, Baltar receives disquieting news from his [[Bernard Baltar|brother]] while President [[Richard Adar]] takes a personal interest in him.

== Summary ==

* On a [[Resurrection Ship]], [[Caprica-Six]]'s consciousness transfers into a new body. A [[Number Three]] is there to help Six through her disorientation, since it is the first time she's ever died and been [[download]]ed. A fellow [[Number Six]] informs her that she's saved [[Gaius Baltar]]'s life and that their team was able to extricate her body, thus avoiding any suspicions about the incident.
* Caprica-Six asks when she'll be able to go back to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM comics)#Caprica|Caprica]].
* In the other regions of Colonial space, a two-man crew on a salvage mission (who consider jumping over to the [[Hudson Sector]] in hopes of better salvage) happen across a lone survivor in a debris field. The survivor, Caprica-Six, apparently takes control of the craft and crashes it somewhere in Colonial space.
* On a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] ship, a Three, Six and an [[Number Eight|Eight]] discuss whether or not there is a flaw in the Six line. While they initially consider substituting her with another model, the consensus remains that Caprica-Six should continue her mission, since she has gained [[Gaius Baltar (alternate)|Gaius Baltar]]'s trust.
* Three agrees to this, but threatens to [[box]] Caprica-Six herself if she fails in her mission.
* At the [[Caprica City Medical Center]], Baltar is recovering from his near miss with a motor vehicle. He is being treated by a [[Simon]] model Cylon, who asks Baltar if he knows where he is. Baltar ruefully replies that "as long as it's not [[Cuffle's Breath Wash]], I'll learn to survive".
* Simon informs Baltar that he was brought in from the [[Red Light District]] two days ago and that Baltar suffered a serious head injury. He adds that they had to perform minor surgery, and gives Baltar the story of how he was involved with a hit-and-run driver.
* As Baltar tries to recall the events of that night, [[Bernard Baltar]] arrives. Baltar notes that it's been a long time since they have talked; Bernard notices that his brother has lost his accent. Bernard informs his brother that he had come to see him because their mother, [[Vanessa Baltar|Vanessa]]<ref>This name is not revealed until ''[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 4]]''.</ref> has fallen ill, and their farm has fallen on hard times.
* As Bernard asks his brother for help, an secret service agent asks Bernard to leave. As Bernard leaves, Baltar yells after his brother to call him at the [[Ministry of Defense]].
* Baltar begins to demand why Bernard was sent away, only to meet President [[Richard Adar]], who informs Baltar that he came as soon as one of his aides informed him of Baltar's accident. Baltar had previously met Adar at a fundraiser in [[Delphi]]. Adar mentions that he's followed Baltar after his win of the second [[Magnate Prize]], noting that Baltar was always Adar's first choice for the [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP) and had specifically asked for a doctor he knew to treat him, only to discover that Adar's choice doctor was out on sabbatical. Adar offers his concern (and the concern of certain members of the military brass) over whether or not the accident was related to the CNP project, however Baltar assures him that this wasn't the case.
* Adar gives Baltar a pep talk, reminding him that the deadline for the project is only a few weeks away. Baltar assures him that he'll be able to meet the deadline.
* Adar leaves, saying that he needs to attend to the issue of a possible teacher union strike. Before leaving, Adar asks Baltar to call him Richard.
* In his home, Baltar works on the CNP. Caprica-Six asks him how his progress is. This leads to sex.
* After sex, Baltar experiences a dream where Six snaps his neck and asks him "Are you alive?"
* Baltar awakens, finding his bed empty of anyone other than himself. There appears to be a bandage behind his head.
* Later, Baltar is walking through [[Caprica City]] en route to work and meets up with Six. She asks Baltar what happened to him, which resorts in a scathing reply dismissing "this charade for mutual concern".
* Six tells Baltar that she loves him. Baltar reveals that he's been seeing her in his dreams, to which Six replies that she's not surprised and tells him to get used to it.
* Baltar is giving a presentation on the CNP to a group. Members of this group mention that the program is only working 60 to 70 percent efficiency. Baltar replies that an outside consulting firm is helping him work out the calculations.
* Near the end of the meeting, an aide tells Baltar that his brother is on the line. Baltar adjourns the meeting and goes to his office. Baltar hesitates picking up the phone, then decides against it.
* After more sex at Baltar's house, Baltar reveals to Six that he's under a lot of strain from Adar and "his military cronies", who have demanded firewalls be built into the program. This would not be such an issue if the program was more efficient. Six offers to look over his program and help with solving the CNP's efficiency issues.
* Six probes deeper, knowing that his mind is on something else. It is: [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM comics)#Aerilon|Aerilon]]. Baltar and Six briefly discuss choices and mistakes made in the past; Six believes that he may be referring to their relationship, and reiterates her offer to help him with the CNP.

== Notes ==

* [[Gaius Baltar]] has completely turned his back on his family and [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM comics)#Aerilon|Aerilon]] heritage.
* Simon's replacement of the doctor Adar recommended infers that Adar's doctor may have also been placed incommunicado by the Cylons.

== Analysis ==

* [[Caprica-Six]] does not seem surprised that [[Gaius Baltar]] is having dreams about her. She even tells him to "get used to it". As Six's response is unusual, the insinuation here is that these dreams lead to the creation of [[Virtual Six]]. The comic also infers that the surgical procedure done by [[Simon]] has something to do with it, and is referred to visually in the panel where Baltar rubs the back of his head after a dream where Six asks him if Baltar's alive while snapping his neck, which reveals a bandage. To date, the series itself has been careful to leave Virtual Six's existence unexplained and open to various interpretations, ranging from the spiritual to the technical.
* The Colonials remain unaware of the random abductions and disappearances of high ranking officials, such as Dr. [[Amorak]] (''[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 1]]'') and [[Carter Jameson]] (''[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 2]]'').

== Questions ==

* What are the fates of [[Bernard Baltar]] and [[Vanessa Baltar|his mother]]? ([[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 4|Partial Answer]])
* How was [[Odin Maxwell]]'s death explained? Was his body found or did the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] also take his body as well? Additionally, what of the contents of Maxwell's apartment?

== Alternate covers ==

<gallery>
Image:BSGOrig03Lagunacover.jpg|[[Fabio Laguna]] cover.
Image:BSGOrigins03Photocov.jpg|Photo cover featuring [[Number Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar]].
</gallery>

== References ==

<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

== External links ==

* [http://dynamiteentertainment.com/htmlfiles/p-C109158.html ''Battlestar Galactica: Origins 3'' - Regular Edition] at Dynamite Entertainment

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Battlestar Galactica: Origins 3

2008-04-30T18:55:59Z

Pearse: /* Notes */

{{separate continuity|universe=RDM|cont=Dynamite Comics}}

{{Comic Data
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| title=Origins #3
| series=Dynamite
| issueno=3
| episode=
| writer= [[Kevin Fahey]]
| penciller= [[Jonathan Lau]]
| inker=
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| editor=
| cover= [[Fabio Laguna]]
| published=January 2008
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| reprinted=
| isbn=
| prev=[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 2]]
| next=[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 4]]
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==Plot==

As [[Gaius Baltar (alternate)|Gaius Baltar]] recovers from being struck by a car, Baltar receives disquieting news from his [[Bernard Baltar|brother]] while President [[Richard Adar]] takes a personal interest in him.

== Summary ==

* On a [[Resurrection Ship]], [[Caprica-Six]]'s consciousness transfers into a new body. A [[Number Three]] is there to help Six through her disorientation, since it is the first time she's ever died and been [[download]]ed. A fellow [[Number Six]] informs her that she's saved [[Gaius Baltar]]'s life and that their team was able to extricate her body, thus avoiding any suspicions about the incident.
* Caprica-Six asks when she'll be able to go back to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM comics)#Caprica|Caprica]].
* In the other regions of Colonial space, a two-man crew on a salvage mission (who consider jumping over to the [[Hudson Sector]] in hopes of better salvage) happen across a lone survivor in a debris field. The survivor, Caprica-Six, apparently takes control of the craft and crashes it somewhere in Colonial space.
* On a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] ship, a Three, Six and an [[Number Eight|Eight]] discuss whether or not there is a flaw in the Six line. While they initially consider substituting her with another model, the consensus remains that Caprica-Six should continue her mission, since she has gained [[Gaius Baltar (alternate)|Gaius Baltar]]'s trust.
* Three agrees to this, but threatens to [[box]] Caprica-Six herself if she fails in her mission.
* At the [[Caprica City Medical Center]], Baltar is recovering from his near miss with a motor vehicle. He is being treated by a [[Simon]] model Cylon, who asks Baltar if he knows where he is. Baltar ruefully replies that "as long as it's not [[Cuffle's Breath Wash]], I'll learn to survive".
* Simon informs Baltar that he was brought in from the [[Red Light District]] two days ago and that Baltar suffered a serious head injury. He adds that they had to perform minor surgery, and gives Baltar the story of how he was involved with a hit-and-run driver.
* As Baltar tries to recall the events of that night, [[Bernard Baltar]] arrives. Baltar notes that it's been a long time since they have talked; Bernard notices that his brother has lost his accent. Bernard informs his brother that he had come to see him because their mother, [[Vanessa Baltar|Vanessa]]<ref>This name is not revealed until ''[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 4]]''.</ref> has fallen ill, and their farm has fallen on hard times.
* As Bernard asks his brother for help, an secret service agent asks Bernard to leave. As Bernard leaves, Baltar yells after his brother to call him at the [[Ministry of Defense]].
* Baltar begins to demand why Bernard was sent away, only to meet President [[Richard Adar]], who informs Baltar that he came as soon as one of his aides informed him of Baltar's accident. Baltar had previously met Adar at a fundraiser in [[Delphi]]. Adar mentions that he's followed Baltar after his win of the second [[Magnate Prize]], noting that Baltar was always Adar's first choice for the [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP) and had specifically asked for a doctor he knew to treat him, only to discover that Adar's choice doctor was out on sabbatical. Adar offers his concern (and the concern of certain members of the military brass) over whether or not the accident was related to the CNP project, however Baltar assures him that this wasn't the case.
* Adar gives Baltar a pep talk, reminding him that the deadline for the project is only a few weeks away. Baltar assures him that he'll be able to meet the deadline.
* Adar leaves, saying that he needs to attend to the issue of a possible teacher union strike. Before leaving, Adar asks Baltar to call him Richard.
* In his home, Baltar works on the CNP. Caprica-Six asks him how his progress is. This leads to sex.
* After sex, Baltar experiences a dream where Six snaps his neck and asks him "Are you alive?"
* Baltar awakens, finding his bed empty of anyone other than himself. There appears to be a bandage behind his head.
* Later, Baltar is walking through [[Caprica City]] en route to work and meets up with Six. She asks Baltar what happened to him, which resorts in a scathing reply dismissing "this charade for mutual concern".
* Six tells Baltar that she loves him. Baltar reveals that he's been seeing her in his dreams, to which Six replies that she's not surprised and tells him to get used to it.
* Baltar is giving a presentation on the CNP to a group. Members of this group mention that the program is only working 60 to 70 percent efficiency. Baltar replies that an outside consulting firm is helping him work out the calculations.
* Near the end of the meeting, an aide tells Baltar that his brother is on the line. Baltar adjourns the meeting and reaches to his office. Baltar hesitates picking up the phone, then decides against it.
* After more sex at Baltar's house, Baltar reveals to Six that he's under a lot of strain from Adar and "his military cronies", who have demanded firewalls be built into the program. This would not be such an issue if the program was more efficient. Six offers to look over his program and help with solving the CNP's efficiency issues.
* Six probes deeper, knowing that his mind is on something else. It is: [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM comics)#Aerilon|Aerilon]]. Baltar and Six briefly discuss choices and mistakes made in the past; Six believes that he may be referring to their relationship, and reiterates her offer to help him with the CNP.

== Notes ==

* [[Gaius Baltar]] has completely turned his back on his family and [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM comics)#Aerilon|Aerilon]] heritage.
* Simon's replacement of the doctor Adar recommended infers that Adar's doctor may have also been placed incommunicado by the Cylons.

== Analysis ==

* [[Caprica-Six]] does not seem surprised that [[Gaius Baltar]] is having dreams about her. She even tells him to "get used to it". As Six's response is unusual, the insinuation here is that these dreams lead to the creation of [[Virtual Six]]. The comic also infers that the surgical procedure done by [[Simon]] has something to do with it, and is referred to visually in the panel where Baltar rubs the back of his head after a dream where Six asks him if Baltar's alive while snapping his neck, which reveals a bandage. To date, the series itself has been careful to leave Virtual Six's existence unexplained and open to various interpretations, ranging from the spiritual to the technical.
* The Colonials remain unaware of the random abductions and disappearances of high ranking officials, such as Dr. [[Amorak]] (''[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 1]]'') and [[Carter Jameson]] (''[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 2]]'').

== Questions ==

* What are the fates of [[Bernard Baltar]] and [[Vanessa Baltar|his mother]]? ([[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 4|Partial Answer]])
* How was [[Odin Maxwell]]'s death explained? Was his body found or did the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] also take his body as well? Additionally, what of the contents of Maxwell's apartment?

== Alternate covers ==

<gallery>
Image:BSGOrig03Lagunacover.jpg|[[Fabio Laguna]] cover.
Image:BSGOrigins03Photocov.jpg|Photo cover featuring [[Number Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar]].
</gallery>

== References ==

<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

== External links ==

* [http://dynamiteentertainment.com/htmlfiles/p-C109158.html ''Battlestar Galactica: Origins 3'' - Regular Edition] at Dynamite Entertainment

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Hangar deck

2008-04-23T01:52:32Z

Pearse: /* Notes */

[[Image:Porthangardeck.jpg|thumb|Commander [[William Adama]] on the port hangar deck of ''Galactica''.]]
The '''hangar deck''' is where a [[battlestar]]'s fighters and support ships, such as [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]], are stored and maintained between missions. It is located under the [[Landing bay|landing bay]] of each [[Flight pod|flight pod]].

When a Viper or Raptor returns to the landing bay from a mission, it is moved to one of several elevator platforms, which lowers the spacecraft down to an airlock and the hangar deck below.

Basic repairs, fueling and munition loading take place on the hangar deck. During [[Action Stations|Condition One alerts]], pilots scramble to their fighters. For Viper flight, the deck crew pushes Vipers out into the [[Launch tubes (RDM)|launch tubes]], which are accessible through doors on the hangar deck. Raptors are returned to the landing bay with the landing platforms for their launches; launch tubes are designed for use by Viper-class fighters only.
Other special space fighters, such as captured [[Cylon Raider]]s, [[Heavy Raider]]s, and the experimental [[Blackbird]] are stored away on the hangar deck as well.

If a launch is aborted, the deck crew is called upon to pull the fighter out of the tube for quick repair.

== Battlestar ''Galactica''==
[[Image:Starboardhangardeck.jpg|left|thumb|A service for the dead on the empty starboard hangar deck of ''Galactica''.]]
Deck Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] is responsible the overall repair and readiness of all combat spacecraft on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

Currently, only ''Galactica's'' port hangar deck is available for flight operations. The starboard hangar deck is largely empty as the whole flight pod was to become a [[Galactica Museum|museum]] on the battlestar's scheduled decommissioning ([[Miniseries]]).

Launching spacecraft there is problematic since many of its facilities were stripped for the expected museum. The expanse of the empty starboard hangar deck has been used as a temporary morgue as well as an assembly hall for speeches to the crew at large. After the exodus from [[New Caprica]] a [[Camp Oil Slick|refugee camp]] and a [[Joe's bar|bar]] are established there.
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== Notes ==
*The area usually seen on screen is not the entire hangar deck. It runs nearly the entire length of each flight pod. But because of limited set space only a relatively small part of it can be realized during filming. To balance this, one wall can be turned into a green screen and used for CGI set extensions when necessary. This can be seen in the Miniseries or during Cain's arrival on ''Galactica'' in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", for example ([[:Image:Bsg-zoic-2.jpg|behind the scenes photo]]). Wayfinding signs on each dividing wall are also often changed to give the impression that we're seeing different, though virtually identical sections of the deck.
* Commander [[William Adama]] tells Tyrol to create a temporary morgue for those lost during the initial attack on ''Galactica'' in "hangar bay 'B'" ([[Miniseries, Night 1]]).

== See Also ==
* [[flight pod]]
* [[launch tubes (RDM)|launch tubes]]
* [[landing bay]]

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List of Deleted Scenes - Miniseries

2007-12-07T01:12:36Z

Pearse:

: ''For deleted scenes from [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the Original Series]], see [[List of Deleted Scenes (TOS)]].''

{{official bsg staff posting}}

This page lists [[deleted scenes]] that never made the final cut of the episode for any number of reasons. Most of these are are available on the Region 1 DVDs. The Region 2 DVDs only have deleted scenes for Season 1 and the first half of Season 2, but none for the second half of Season 2 or Season 3. Many scenes not on DVD - or only on the R1 sets - used to be available online on SciFi Pulse, but most were deleted recently.

All links below lead to the Sci-Fi Channel's "[http://www.scifi.com/pulse/ SciFi Pulse]" portal and are played with [http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/ Adobe Flash].

== Miniseries ==

Right now, we are not in the position of distributing or providing links to any digitized video files of these deleted scenes.

They are available on the Region 1 version of the [[Battlestar Galactica - Miniseries (Region 1 DVD)|Miniseries DVD]]. Below is a list, as they appear on that DVD.

* [[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] meets [[Laura Roslin]] aboard ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]''; Roslin has just heard that she has terminal breast cancer.
* As [[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] is about to dock with ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Aaron Doral]] poses questions to the film crew as to why Vipers and their landings are not automated.
* [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] and [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] make a difficult landing on ''[[Galactica]]'', replete with incomplete CGI. This scene was to separate two of the prominent sex scenes, the first with [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]], and the second with Boomer and Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]. According to [[David Eick]], his "biggest regret" is cutting the scene, as "[w]ithout it, I think we inadvertently created this idea that we were trying to be the show that was going to have lots of sex in it."<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=31|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>
* [[Cally]], [[Socinus]] and [[Prosna]] talk about Valerii's and [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s forbidden relationship.
* (Extended Scene) Billy and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] walk out of the unisex head to rejoin [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] and Roslin.
* Adama remotely detonates ''[[Galactica]]'''s remaining munitions, as a part of the pre-decommissioning ceremonies. (Adama implies that his father was a military man in this scene, though we later learn that his father was a civil liberties lawyer).
* (Alternate Scene) Apollo has the Cylon missile chase him through the Colonial Fleet training range on the [[Trevor Moon]], subsequently destroying the missile.
* Roslin and 798's crew find Apollo's Viper adrift and recover the ship.
* [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and the [[Viper (RDM)|Mark II Vipers]] take on three unsuspecting [[Cylon Raiders]].
* Tyrol brings [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] to the pilot's bunk, telling the child that ''Galactica'' is a very lucky ship.
* Roslin and Billy discuss the current situation; Roslin questions Billy's support of her.
* Cally confronts Chief Tyrol regarding his relationship with Valerii prior to boarding [[Ragnar Station]].

== [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season One]] ==

=== [[33]] ===

* Starbuck tells Apollo she wants a transfer.
* Roslin receives a gift from the people of Aerelon, the photo of the soldier on his knees in front of the burning Aerelon capital titled [[Lest We Forget]].
* [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=20935 [1]] Thrace asks Apollo if they've passed jump 200 yet, saying it's a nice, round number.
* Roslin tells Adama that the captain of the [[Tauranian Traveller]] wants to break away from the Fleet, and Adama takes steps to prevent it.
* Apollo tells his pilots how proud he is of them.

=== [[Water]] ===

* Baltar talks about fluid dynamics and the fact is established that no human could have survived the interal pressures of the tank.
* Tigh has problems with his uniform; Adama tells Apollo and Tigh that the pomp and circumstance was his idea.
* Adama welcomes Roslin aboard ''Galactica'' with military honors.
* An entire subplot was cut involving Boxey spread out over several scenes. First, the opening scene where Boomer is confused about where she is and what she is doing is extended with Boomer finding a towel in her bag and using it to wipe her dirty hands. Next, Boomer returns to her room after replacing the detonator and encounters Boxey, who picks the lock on her locker and goes through her duffle bag, taking the aforementioned towel. The next deleted scene is another extension during Tyrol's investigation of the sabotaged water tank in which he touches a piece of metal and gets dirt on his gloves of the same type Boomer wipes off at the beginning of the episode. In the next scene, Boxey accompanies Tyrol to see Boomer after she discovers water and waits outside while they talk, attempting to sell Crashdown some [[ambrosia]] he swiped from the engine room. Finally, after Boomer and Tyrol finish talking Tyrol notices Boxey is holding the towel he swiped from Boomer earlier, makes the connection between the stains on the towel and the dirt from the water tank, and realizes that Boomer may actually be responsible.

===[[Bastille Day]]===

There are no deleted scenes for this episode on the official site.

=== [[Act of Contrition]] ===

* Hadrian questions Tyrol on why he checked on Boomer's ejection pyros.
* In an extended scene, Apollo confronts Starbuck as to her feelings regarding the accident that killed their friends.

=== [[You Can't Go Home Again]] ===

* Adama talks to Dr. Cottle regarding Starbuck's smashed knee.
* [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=3206 [1]] Number Six questions Baltar as to his thoughts about having sex with Laura Roslin, when Cylon Raiders can rain death upon them at any moment.

=== [[Litmus]] ===

* Billy Keikeya's first press conference. Discussed are the income tax and the food distribution queue.
* In ''Galactica'''s sickbay, Starbuck and Apollo talk about the bombing; Sergeant Hadrian informs Adama and Tigh that the bomber killed a marine and took the detonation device from a small arms locker.
* In sickbay, Crashdown and Boomer talk about the ramifications of the announcement that Cylons look like humans. (Prior to Boomer being taken away for questioning by Sgt. Hadrian.)

=== [[Six Degrees of Separation]] ===

* Apollo asks Tigh to give Starbuck some incentive in helping with testing the Cylon Raider.

=== [[Flesh and Bone]] ===

* (Extended Scene) Baltar lies to Boomer about the results of the Cylon Detector's tests; Six praises Baltar for his usage of "God" instead of "Gods".
*[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=3213 [1]] (Extended Scene) Thrace and the Gemenon Traveller's captain briefly discuss the then-unknown IFF transponder device found on Conoy.
*:'''Note''': This scene is somewhat plot relevant, since the crew is in possession of three [[Cylon transponder]]s in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", but only one of them is found onscreen (in the Miniseries). Even with this scene, the origin of one transponder remains unexplained.

===[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]===

* Tyrol informs Commander Adama and Colonel Tigh that an encrypted databurst was sent to the ''Galactica'', presumably to Cylon agents aboard.
* Dualla and Gaeta talk about sex lives.
*[ Baltar takes a blood sample from Starbuck; laced with sexual innuendos.

=== [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]] ===
* President Roslin discusses the effects of the chamalla extract medication with Billy after the press conference.

=== [[Colonial Day]] ===
* President Roslin and Billy strategize at the Quorum assembly.

=== [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]] ===
* The Tighs celebrate their seven-year anniversary. Ellen proclaims that she must always come second because Tigh is a powerful man and his job is very important; she wants the best for him.
* Chief Tyrol gets Socinus out of the brig and back to work. He makes sure to drive the point home that Socinus should never stick up for Tyrol again, but they make up.
*:'''Note''': In the aired episode, Socinus is on the mission without explanation, making this scene important to the plot.
* Apollo and Starbuck go on their morning jog and Apollo's jokes about her sex life hit home. Meanwhile, Ellen Tigh confronts Commander Adama in the hall, asking if he stands a watch in the CIC.
* Billy worries about the effects of the chamalla on President Roslin. They also both discuss the difficulty and the necessity of now letting go of the past and what was lost.
* Tigh asks Elosha why humans left Kobol and Baltar tries unsuccessfully to apologize to Thrace.
* Crashdown and Apollo visit Boomer to cheer her up.
*[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=3226 [1]] Baltar decides that Six should stay behind when he goes to Kobol. He basically puts their relationship on hold.

=== [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]] ===
* (Extended Scene) Billy more strongly objects to Roslin's newfound religious destiny than in the final cut.
*[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=3228 [1]] Roslin defends her course of action to Apollo by citing excerpts from the scriptures that have come true but Apollo swears by his military training.
*:'''Note''': Both of these deleted scenes were included in the online version of this episode, which was made available by the Sci-Fi Channel late June 2005.

== [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]] ==

=== [[Scattered]] ===

* A flashback to the first meeting of Saul Tigh and William Adama, shortly after the first Cylon war.
*: '''Note:''' During this scene, audio from [[James McManus]] is used on the "Caprica Today" television show, but it is the audio during his introduction of [[The Colonial Gang]] from "[[Colonial Day]]".
* Colonel Tigh remembers who kept his temper in check.
* A flashback to Adama's reinstatement as a captain and Viper pilot in the Colonial Fleet.
* Adama gets Tigh back into the fleet.

=== [[Valley of Darkness]] ===

* A flashback that reveals the source of Colonel Tigh's knowledge of Cylon boarding tactics.
* (Extended Scene) Colonel Tigh argues with Lee Adama over Adama's powers as a prisoner and an officer.
* Six warns Baltar to abandon his Raptor crew. Six also tells him that he will be the only one to see Earth.
* (Extended Scene) of Starbuck and Helo on Caprica, in search of her apartment.
* Colonel Tigh receives a call from his wife, who is scared. Tigh tells her about the gun he has loaded in his quarters and orders her to hunker down and shoot anything that "moves without knocking first". She frightfully hunkers down in a corner of their quarters with the gun drawn ([[Season 2.0 DVD]]).

=== [[Fragged]] ===

* President Roslin has a nightmare in which Billy disagrees with her decision to search for the Arrow of Apollo, and attacks her.

=== [[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]] ===

* Lee Adama and Dualla discuss the details of President Roslin's future escape from ''Galactica'''s brig.

=== [[The Farm]] ===

* As William Adama returns to CIC, Baltar gives Six his opinion of him.
* Apollo, Roslin, and Zarek discuss their position while in the freezer compartment.
* Starbuck has a nightmare while in the Cylon Farm.
* Lee Adama is angry at Roslin that he committed mutiny to support her but she gave up without a fight.
* [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=3242 [5]] Starbuck dodges a pair of Number Six copies while escaping.

=== [[Home, Part I]] ===

* Elosha thanks President Roslin for restoring her faith.

=== [[Home, Part II]] ===

* (Extended Scene) Caprica-Sharon talks with Helo. Zarek jokes with Meier about Roslin's prophet status.
* Starbuck and Helo discuss Sharon; Commander Adama and his party track Roslin and find Elosha's body. Roslin asks Apollo if she has made a mistake.
*[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=3244 [1]] Baltar thinks he truly has gone mad, and Six tells him to enjoy his psychosis.
* Billy tells Roslin that he is an atheist. Apollo apologizes to his father saying his mutiny was not based on their relationship.

=== [[Final Cut]] ===

* Roslin reacts to D'Anna Biers's first report.
* (Extended Scene) Roslin and Adama give Biers's full access, while Roslin tells Adama he'll get to make the final cut.
* Biers interviews Tyrol who explains certain 'supply shortages' they've been suffering from.
* (Extended Scene) Helo gives a few more lines in his interview.

=== [[Flight of the Phoenix]] ===

*[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=3248 [1]] Thrace is at ''Galactica's'' [[memorial wall]] and seems depressed that she has no one to leave a memorial for herself.
* Starbuck reacts to the Tyrol/Helo fight. The Cylon logic-bomb virus makes the engines start up on a Viper that Seelix was working on and Tyrol chews her out.
* Cally tells Tyrol that she is not sorry she killed Boomer, that it had to be done, and Tyrol does not forgive her.
* (Extended Scene) Slightly longer Lee and Dualla sparring.
* Number Six's missing scene from this episode. In CIC, she reacts to Adama's dismissal of Baltar and says he'll see something truly amazing today.
* Tyrol and Caprica-Sharon's conversation at the end of the episode. Tyrol and Cally go back to work.

=== [[Pegasus_(episode)|Pegasus]] ===

There are no deleted scenes for this episode on the official site, nor on any DVD set. This is probably because almost all of these deleted scenes were re-edited into the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Director's Cut]] of "Pegasus" included in the R1 Season 2.5 and the R2 Season 2 DVD sets.

=== [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus Extended Version]] ===

There are no deleted scenes from this episode on the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] set.

=== [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]] ===

* [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] visits [[Lee Adama]], who is pouring himself a drink. Dualla informs him that ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' wants to know about his ETA back to ''Pegasus''. Lee tells her to notify them that he is on his way back and as corrects her on his lower rank of Lieutenant. He goes on to tell her that the rank change doesn't really matter to him anymore and that he isn't sure about what does. They discuss how "frakked up things are" at present and talk about the arrival of ''Pegasus'' as well as the choices ''Pegasus'' made. Lee emotes that the reasons for them going out there and fighting and dying aren't clear to him anymore. He then leaves.

=== [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] ===

There are no deleted scenes from this episode on the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] set.

=== [[Epiphanies]] ===

There are no deleted scenes from this episode on the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] set.

=== [[Black Market]] ===

The following scenes are from the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] unless otherwise noted.

* After his first time with [[Shevon]], Lee Adama says that he always wondered how it would be spending time with a prostitute (formerly available online).
* When talking and drinking with Shevon, Apollo tells her about his relationship with his father. He reveals that he doubts if he can live up to him (formerly available online).
* Paya and other kids are on a Raptor en route to an unknown destination. She looks outside the window and enjoys the view (formerly available online).
* '''Scene 5''': Apollo gives Shevon an extra 100 [[cubit]]s to buy "something nice for [[Paya]]". In return, Shevon gives him a small picture holder, which was her father's. Despite his objections, he takes the picture holder, which is traded for information in a later scene aboard ''Prometheus''. That scene was also deleted as well.
* '''Scene 9/10''': [[Hoshi]] discovers the body of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], after the latter has been garroted by [[Phelan]]'s henchman.
* '''Scene 18''': On ''Galactica's'' flight deck, Apollo exits the [[Raptor]] only to be welcomed aboard by [[Anastasia Dualla]], who is asked to direct Lee to [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]]'s quarters. Dualla confronts Lee regarding his avoidance of her, telling him that she overheard what he told [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] after the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|destruction of the Resurrection Ship]]. He claims that he was "sick, delirious" and that "whatever [he] was feeling, [he] never meant to dump it on [her]". She calls him out on it, claiming that she thought she was the only one who sometimes believed that she was "better off on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]" with the dead. He then chastises her voicing this feeling, despite harboring it himself. After climbing up the ladder to the upper deck, he gets a flashback of looking down on [[Gianne]], his former fiancé, with whom he broke up with prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]].
*:'''Note''': Dualla is from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]], not Caprica.
* '''Scene 25''': Apollo reports to ''Pegasus's'' CIC. He asks to report to Commander Trammel, but ''Pegasus's'' new XO, [[Renner]], informs him that Trammel is on his way to ''Galactica'' for "meet and greet" with Admiral Adama. When Apollo requests to see all logs, duty rosters and security reports, Renner begins his spiel about running warships for 20 years and is insulted that ''Pegasus'' crewmen are not running the investigation. Renner also laments that ''Pegasus'' was fine until "''Galactica'' showed up" and that Adama can take his investigation and go "[[frak]] himself"; Apollo pins Renner to the table, saying that there was a time where he would have agreed with him. Renner orders the readied [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to stand down. Lee then warns Renner that if he should "say another word against my father, [that] next time, you won't get up" and leaves the CIC.
*:'''Note''': Barry Trammel would later be renamed to [[Barry Garner]] due to legal issues resulting from someone actually having that name. Also, Renner is never seen or mentioned again during [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season 2]].
* '''Scene 39''' (extended): Apollo regains consciousness in Shevon's quarters on ''[[Cloud 9]]'' after being attack by Phelan's men. When he goes to lay down on the bed after the altercation, the scene transitions to a flashback where Shevon talks to Lee about [[Gianne]], commenting that it's a "pretty name"; Lee reveals that it took him weeks to pronounce it correctly, although Gianne never corrected him, and that Gianne herself hated the name since no one could ever pronounce it correctly. After she comments that he must have truly loved her, he remarks that he wondered whether he really did. The flashback ends, resuming on the carcass of Fisk's killer with a bullet hole in his head and Lee calling for help.
* '''Scene 46-46A''': Apollo is on ''[[Prometheus]]'' attempting to find Phelan. When walking the corridors, he is stopped by [[Linden]]. Apollo asks Linden where Phelan is, but he doesn't reveal anything until Lee gives him something to trade. After a slight altercation, Lee trades off Shevon's pocket picture holder and gets his information which leads him to Phelan's bar. Apollo opens the hatch and is stopped by a guard, who he disables, as well as a second guard that comes charging down the corridor. As Apollo is viciously punching this second guard, a third henchman surprises him by putting a gun to his head, commenting: "Ever get the feeling that your living the same bad day again?"
*:'''Note''': John Mann, who played Linden, also portrayed ''Galactica's'' [[CAG]], [[Jackson Spencer]], in the [[Miniseries]].
* '''Scene 47''' (Extended scene): Apollo attempts to comfort Shevon after killing Phelan at the table. Shevon rebukes Apollo, saying that she can never be Gianne. There is a brief flashback when Lee tells Shevon that Gianne was pregnant; Apollo comments that he didn't think he was ready to be a father.

=== [[Scar]] ===

The following scenes are from the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] unless otherwise noted.

* (Extended Scene) Because Thrace is late, [[Kat]] has started early with a briefing. When she finally arrives, Thrace berates Kat for starting and continues by recapitulating the Fleet's strategic situation (formerly available online).
* Starbuck and Helo work out in the gym. The two talk about Kat's attitude, and Helo compares her to behavior to Starbuck's (formerly available online)..
* [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]] receives some pep-talk from Kat before he sorties in his Viper (formerly available online).
* [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=85455#videoid=22427 [1]] (Extended Scene) Apollo listens helplessly on the wireless while BB is killed by [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]].
* (Extended Scene) After learning and reporting that Jo-Jo was killed, Starbuck announced another auction that night (formerly available online).
* (Extended Scene) When Apollo asks her if she is OK, Starbuck replies "leading forward, hair on fire". After that she goes through a pre-flight check on her Viper and launches (formerly available online).
* '''Scene 5:''' (Extended scene). Jo-Jo asks why the Cylon ace is called Scar, to which Kat replies that [[nugget]]s are "easy pickings". [[Tucker Clellan|Clellan]] comments on [[Brent Baxton]]'s watch, saying that BB should leave his watch to him so that he doesn't have to bid on it at the auction. Clellan saunters out of the pilots bunk, leaving the two nuggets bewildered about Clellan's comments about an "auction"... which we go to. At the auction, [[Lee Adama]] is auctioning off a copy of "[[Nymph]]", which [[Brendan Costanza]] wins. During this, Clellan looks at Baxton while pointing at his watch, which results in a concerned look on Braxton's face, as Braxton looks at his own watch.
* '''Scene 8 pt.:''' Starbuck attempts to jump over the tables in the officer's lounge. In this version, [[Karl Agathon]] attempts to pick up Thrace, but eventually sets her down in a corner nook of the lounge. Clark asks Adama whether its always "like this", to which Adama replies that it is not and "it gets a little rowdy". The scene ends when Thrace begins to tear up.
* '''Scene 21:''' The scripted version. [[Felix Gaeta]] announces [[Laura Roslin]]'s arrival in [[CIC]], to which everyone stands at attention. Once at ease, Roslin goes on to inform them that the mining ship has broken another drill bit, meaning a delay of eight more days. [[Saul Tigh]] does not react well to this and goes on to say that it isn't easy sending kids off to a shooting gallery; Tigh advocates that they should just take the metal they have mined and cut their losses. Roslin replies that the mining team has discovered a rich vein of ore, enough to build two entire squadrons of Vipers. The good news is that ''Pegasus's'' production team has turned out its first combat ready Viper. Roslin sternly informs Tigh that he must respect this operation, for it is vital to the long term survival of the [[the Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. After the discussion ends, a firefight is heard over the wireless, which results in [[Snake]]'s death. Roslin then asks whether the destruction of the [[Resurrection Ship]] resulted in a change of Cylon tactics, which [[William Adama]] replies that Thrace is working on it. The scene ends in [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]]'s brig, where Sharon says that Scar may have died a dozen times.
*:'''Note''': Snake doesn't die in the aired version and is later mentioned as a replacement pilot for Starbuck.
* '''Scene 36 pt.:''' (Extended scene). Lee Adama tells Thrace that bright, shiny futures are overrated. Inebriated, Thrace asks whether Adama can picture himself with a wife, to which both hysterically laugh at the prospect. Thrace continues on this line of joking, saying that the Gods would give Adama a porch swing. Adama admits that he "thought about it once" and thought that a "stinky rugrat" (Thrace's words) would be nice.
* '''Scene 63-64:''' Alternate ending. Kat is walking through the [[memorial hallway]], where she hangs a picture of [[Reilly]]'s girlfriend. Meanwhile, Thrace is praying over her Lords of Kobol figurines, promising to return for [[Samuel Anders]].

=== [[Sacrifice]] ===

The following scenes are from the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] unless otherwise noted.

* Lee Adama and Dualla talk about their upcoming shore leave and Billy Keikeya. She says that she hasn't talked to Keikeya yet, but that she appreciates what she had with him (formerly available online).
* '''Scene 1-2:''' The scripted version of the flashback pertaining to [[Ray Abinell]]'s death. Here, Abinell is on the phone to [[Sesha Abinell|his wife]], telling her that he is finishing up work on replacing heat sensors on ''[[Greenleaf]]''. He then looks out the window and sees dozens of [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s. Hurriedly, he says his goodbye to Sesha and hangs up, running down the corridor as a raider begins its strafing run. The windows of the compartment he is in are compromised and Abinell, despite his vain effort to hold on to piping that runs along the corridor, is sucked out into space.

=== [[The Captain's Hand]] ===

The following scenes are from the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] unless otherwise noted.

* Over dinner Adama and Tigh discuss [[Barry Garner|Commander Garner]]. Tigh wonders how he managed to lose two Raptors and complains about the general state of the ship. Adama says that he sent Apollo over to keep an eye on Garner and to give him someone he can trust. Tigh asks if Adama still thinks about making Apollo ''Pegasus'''s XO (formerly available online).
*:'''Note''': This clears up Apollo's somewhat unclear status in the aired episode. He is not officially Garner's XO.
* Tory Foster tells Roslin that they'll lose the election if they lose the Gemenese and urges her to reconsider her stance on abortion in order to win. Roslin asks her if that is also the right thing to do. Foster replies that she is not there to be Roslin's counsel or conscience, but to help her to win (formerly available online).
* '''Scene 9:''' (Extended scene). This scene starts off with Garner berating [[Kara Thrace]] for not keeping track of her pilots' whereabouts or situation. In this scene, [[Hoshi]] is relieved of his post, and replaced with [[Abel Thornton]], after failing to inform Garner that a [[Raptor]] was requesting launch clearance. Garner goes on to state that there is no excuse for the lack of cohesion that is apparent in the ''Pegasus'' crew.
* '''Scene 35:''' Thrace and Lee Adama argue over giving Garner respect; Thrace believes that the people should have a leader worthy of their respect. The scene ends when a call for flight deck personnel to report to their stations is made.
* '''Scenes 62-68:''' Alternate scene. The scenes that did not make the final cut for "The Captain's Hand" are the ones pertaining to [[Rya Kibby]]'s attempted suicide after her abortion. [[Laura Roslin]] is looking out a window on ''[[Colonial One]]''. Meanwhile, an orderly on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' discovers that [[Rya Kibby]] has overdosed on pills and lays on the sickbay bed, unconscious and with a rosary in her hand. The orderly presses what appears to be an alarm button on the panel above the bed. In a scene that made the final cut, we jump back to ''Colonial One'', where [[Tory Foster]] brings in [[Sarah Porter]], the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemon|Gemenese]] delegate to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. Porter begins attacking Roslin over not prosecuting Kibby for going through with the abortion. Roslin replies that the grant for asylum came before the law was signed and thus no laws have been broken; Roslin also adds that Porter has her "pound of flesh" and suggests that "you take your victory and move on". Back in ''Galactica'''s sickbay, Doctor [[Cottle]] and nurses attempt to resuscitate Kibby and ultimately succeed in doing so.
* '''Scene 69 pt.:''' Lee Adama jokingly asks Kara Thrace whether she has a brain. As they hug, [[Anastasia Dualla]] walks in; Thrace excuses herself and states that she'll put the boots outside for them. Dualla then states that "you're not going to tell me about promotions, are you?" and discuss Adama's promotion to commander of ''Pegasus'' and how their relationship will work now that they are separated from one another physically; they begin to make out after Dualla asks whether or not Thrace was joking about the boots outside the door.

=== [[Downloaded]] ===

The following scenes are from the [[Season 2.5 DVD]].

* '''Scene 32:''' [[Laura Roslin]] visits [[Hera]] in ''[[Galactica]]'s'' sickbay and tearfully thanks her for [[Epiphanies|saving her life]].
* '''Scene 34-36:''' [[Gaius Baltar]] visits [[Gina]] on ''[[Cloud 9]]'' in an attempt to convince her to orchestrate Hera's theft. Gina resists as she views [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica Sharon]] as a deserter and her "half-breed child" to be no better, she also scoffs Baltar's attempts to convince her on religious grounds; Baltar's Six appears and reiterates her view that Gina is a "broken machine" who has lost her faith in God. Gina bluntly reminds Baltar that Roslin is leading him by 3 points in the current polls, which is what his energies should be focused upon. Baltar fine tunes his argument, ultimately convincing Gina that the theft of a Cylon child from ''Galactica'' would be politically destructive as it would undermine Roslin's credibility as a wartime leader.
* '''Scene 34-36 (continued):''' [[D'anna Biers]], [[Tory Foster]] and Roslin hold a meeeting on ''[[Colonial One]]'', where Biers attempts to convince Roslin to grant her exclusive access to Hera as word of the birth has apparently spread throughout the Fleet. After the discussion, Roslin agrees, as it would be beneficial for both parties: people can see the Cylon child as looking the same as a normal human child and Biers gets exclusive pictures.
* '''Scene 48:''' Biers and Gina are on ''Cloud 9'' discussing how they will take the child. In her camera case, Biers has built a life-support system to secret the child off ''Galactica'', which is hidden in the bulky case. When Biers claims that "little Hera will be comfortable" in the contraption, Gina retorts that the child should not be named after a human god. When briefly discussing what they should call her, Gina says "just call her 13", which Biers favorably responds to.
* '''Scene 54:''' Biers is outside of sickbay with a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]] and [[Layne Ishay]]. Ishay tells her that Biers can't see the baby. As Biers attempts to gain access, noting that Roslin herself approved the visit, [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] calls Biers a "stupid frakking vulture" when telling her that Hera is dead. Ishay claims that the baby died 20 minutes ago, which shocks Biers.

=== [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]] ===

The following scenes are from the [[Season 2.5 DVD]].

* '''Scene 63D''': [[Galen Tyrol]] is walking on the upper level of the maintenance deck. There are flashes of his dream of falling from this upper level. Over it all, [[Cavil]] is consoling the Chief, telling him that his fear is that he fears he is a Cylon, like [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon]] and he should die.
* '''Scene 78''': Commander [[Lee Adama]] is laying in his bunk on ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] is also present getting dressed after their sexual encounter; she comments that Adama hasn't signed the papers and she is a courier on official business. Dualla asks him whether or not he believes [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] will lose to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], Adama replies that while he doesn't know, she is a fighter and tells Dualla that Roslin may be on the wrong side of the colonization issue. He also voices his concern that [[Kara Thrace]] has yet to return from her SAR mission to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].

=== [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] ===

The following scenes are from the [[Season 2.5 DVD]].

* '''Scene 121''': Tyrol talks to [[Cally]] about [[Cavil]], who has been revealed as another [[humanoid Cylon]], over the Deck Gang's homemade liquor. He remarks that Cavil almost got him to believe that he was a Cylon and that the two Cavils were thrown out of an airlock the night before. Cally tries to drink the liquor, but can't handle it, to which they both giggle. Cally then slowly approaches Tyrol and kisses him, much to his surprise, to which Cally replies "What, you didn't know?"
* '''Scene 123B''': Baltar is on a Raptor where he has flashbacks of meeting [[Gina]] on ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and their subseqent encounters on ''[[Cloud 9]]''. This Raptor is headed to ''Cloud 9'', where Baltar enters the ship through a hatch where two [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] are waiting and one follows to close the hatch. He is saluted by a fourth Marine as he enters a more decorative part of ''Cloud 9''.
* '''Scene 141''': Baltar is sitting on ''[[Colonial One]]''. Admiral [[William Adama]] gives the newly elected president news of ''Cloud 9's'' destruction, stating that they believe the nuclear warhead was stolen from his lab on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and that the warhead was smuggled onboard ''Cloud 9'' by a Cylon. As Adama explains his belief that this incident might be the first step to a Cylon attack within the Fleet, Baltar is having flashbacks of being tended to by Gina, as she dresses him after their sexual encounter. Baltar rebukes Adama's attempts to tighten internal security and instead believes that their first priority is to the people, and to see that they are safely established on [[New Caprica]]. Once that is done, he believes that the tragedy would be put behind them. Adama bluntly retorts that Baltar is not listening; he replies that "I don't have to listen. I'm the president." Baltar orders that "Settlement begins and begins now". After Adama leaves, Baltar remembers the sad look on Gina's face the final time he saw her.

== [[Razor]] ==

The unrated and extended "[[Razor]]" [[Razor (Region 1 DVD)|DVD]] contains three deleted scenes.

* The first scene deals with [[Lee Adama]] at the [[Caprica Transfer Station]] as he awaits his [[Viper Mark VII|Viper]], so that he can participate in ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'s'' decommissioning ceremony prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. As he is drinking his coffee, he tells [[Frank Bruno]] about his decision to quit the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] while awaiting his [[Viper Mark VII|Viper]]. Despite being accepted into test pilot school and on his way to "command a [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] someday", Adama tells Bruno that these were his father's dreams, dreams that weren't really his to begin with. After he is notified that his ship is ready, he leaves, revealing that [[Kendra Shaw]] is also present, awaiting her ship to ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' to begin her assignment as Admiral [[Helena Cain]]'s aide.
* The second deleted scene deals with Thrace admitting to Shaw that she was the one who shot [[Dasilva]], after Shaw is herself shot. It should be noted that this insinuation is non-canonical, as it is fully implied that Shaw killed Dasilva to prevent the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] from taking him alive.
* The third and last deleted scene takes place 12 hours after "[[33]]", with [[Kara Thrace]] and Lee Adama replaying gun camera footage from their successful attack on the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''. Adama goes through the gun footage, finding that there's a brief shadow in one of the windows which he shows Thrace. He believes the shadow is from a person aboard the ''Carrier'', although Thrace claims that it could be anything from a trick of light to a bulkhead. Sick of reviewing the footage and discussing the issue, Thrace tells Adama that they'll have to get used to it, as she suspects that they'll have to take lives -- or even leave people behind -- in order to save others.

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Rising Star (TOS)

2007-12-07T00:37:18Z

Pearse: Rising Star in Razor

:''This article is about the Rising Star as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] version , see [[Rising Star (RDM)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Risingstar.jpg
| title= Rising Star
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| role= Luxury Liner
}}
'''''T.S.S. Rising Star''''' is one of the 220 civilian ships of [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica's]]'' [[The Fleet (TOS)|rag-tag fugitive fleet]].

== History ==

Prior to the [[Battle of Cimtar]] and subsequent fall of [[the Twelve Colonies (TOS)|the Twelve Colonies]], the ''Rising Star'' was a luxury liner operated by [[Trans Stellar Spacelines]] ([[Saga of a Star World]]) which traveled throughout the Colonies and various sectors in the Colonial sphere of influence ([[The Long Patrol]]). It is capable of both atmospheric and space flight, as well as planetary landing and unaided launch ([[Murder on the Rising Star]]).

''Rising Star'' consists of at least seven decks, including an "elite" level and storage facilities inaccessible by passengers ([[Saga of a Star World]]). Among these levels are a gambling chancelory ("[[The Man with Nine Lives]]", "[[Murder on the Rising Star]]"), guest rooms ([[The Long Patrol]]), dining level ([[The Long Patrol]]) and recreation level where visitors could watch [[Triad (TOS)|Triad]] competitions ([[Murder on the Rising Star]]). She also contains a main waiting area for passengers that arrive and depart the ship ([[The Man with Nine Lives]]) and various entertainment areas, such as open stages where dances and shows are performed ("[[War of the Gods, Part II]]", "[[The Man with Nine Lives]]").

Her crew consists of various hired security guards, [[maitre d']]s, chancery game operators and other crew employed by Trans Stellar Spacelines.

== After the Thousand-Yahren War ==
[[Image:Rising-star00.jpeg|thumb|left|The ''Rising Star'']]
With the [[Thousand-Yahren War]] resulting in a devestating defeat for the Colonials, ''Rising Star'' became one of the 220 ships to survive the Cylons' holocaust. Under the direction of ''Galactica'''s [[Warriors]], including Flight Sergeant [[Ortega]], ''Rising Star'' is used to rescue any surviving women and children on [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Despite these restrictions, Ortega takes bribes by at least three men for spots aboard the ship ([[Murder on the Rising Star]]).

After the Fleet was settled, [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]] opens the dining level on ''Rising Star'' as a morale booster among the survivors, in the hopes of giving them an evening to look forward too. So popular is this idea that the waiting list is noted to be at least a [[yahren]] long ([[The Long Patrol]]).

== Rising Star design in RDM ==
A ship matching the design of the ''Rising Star'' appears in [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus's]] civilian fleet in "[[Razor]]", most likely as one of many visual nods to the original series in the episode. It cannot be the Rising Star herself, as these ships were abandoned and did not make contact with [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]] civilian fleet.

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Talk:Tauranian Traveler/Archive 1

2007-11-29T23:11:47Z

Pearse:

This name is also spelt wrong as it has not got 2 l's in its name, whoever creates these, doesn't know how to spell, or very well (no offence intended). Correction: Tauranian Traveller--[[User:Lgamser|Lgamser]] 05:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:In British English "Traveler" can be spelt with one OR 2 L's afaik --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:25, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::It seems that this is the same ship as [[Tauranian Traveller]], so shouldn't one of the articles be removed or made into a redirect? --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 17:11, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Talk:Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards/Archive 1

2007-11-07T19:32:16Z

Pearse:

== Casualties ==

Not sure how many of you saw the DVD screener already. What's clear is that we probably have to create a separate battle page for the attack on the com relay.

Somewhat unexpectedly, however, "Razor" puts the Cylon boarding action not at the attack on the shipyards, but the com relay attack soon after. Nothing wrong with that, but it creates some weirdness with the casualty numbers. In "Pegasus" Cain says that there were over 700 casualties until she made it to CIC. Then in the extended version, she specifically says that Gina allowed a boarding party on board which caused 800 casualties. "Razor" confirms this number, but as said, places the boarding action later. This would mean that about 1500 people were lost in total, which strikes me as a bit high. That's half the ship's crew! If it weren't for the more explicit line from the extended version (though I'll have to watch it again to see what she says exactly), one could say that the 800 includes the 700 lost earlier, but with it that doesn't work so well. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:41, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

: I haven't seen it yet, to be honest, but it wouldn't surprise me if they fudged the numbers a bit. They did it before with the ''Astral Queen'' numbers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 19:37, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::If the show isn't fudging the numbers, Cain ''was'', giving that she later ''[[Scylla|acquired]]'' a few new conscripts. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:40, 4 November 2007 (CDT)

:: The error isn't really in "Razor" as such, since Shaw just says "final casualty numbers", which can mean the total number since the Cylon attack. In the extended cut of "Pegasus", Cain says "it killed over 800 members of my crew". Maybe we could interpret that as including both battles, since it's also implied that Gina tampered a bit with the computer systems. Assuming that ''Pegasus'' picked up a few ''hundred'' conscripts to make for the numbers isn't really realistic. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:09, 4 November 2007 (CST)

== Battlestar numbers ==

While "Razor" only seems to show 2 battlestars, Cain mentions two as ''destroyed'' in "Pegasus". That's why it said 3/2. Maybe the vessel above ''Pegasus'' counts as battlestar, in which case that would be a new class. In any case you forgot to update the battle box as well. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:28, 7 November 2007 (CST)
:In "Razor" we see Pegasus, one Galactica type, two Valkyrie types with rollbar attachments(possibly part of the dockyard rig?) and two of the new class, which appears to be based on one of the Galactica concept designs. It seems to contradict what Cain originally said since we know that the Valkyrie was a battlestar, but perhaps the ships of that type at the dockyard were variants, making them destroyers or frigates or somesuch. --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 12:04, 7 November 2007 (CST)
::During the main establishing shot at ~6:36 there is a ''Galactica''-type in the upper right and ''Pegasus'' low right, with one very large ship above it. And it doesn't look like ''[[Valkyrie]]'' at all. The left-most berth appears to be empty, though it can't be seen fully. There might be one ship in the arm left of ''Pegasus''. To the left of the ''Galactica''-type there might be a smaller ship. The rest is the superstructure of the shipyard. I can't really see any other larger vessels. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:42, 7 November 2007 (CST)
:::Look at ~6:39. The things to the left and right of the ''Galactica''-type battlestar are clearly part of the shipyard. There is a ship right above ''Pegasus'', but it looks too small to be a battlestar. The weird thing about this shot is that the ''Galactica''-type looks bigger than ''Pegasus'', even though ''Pegasus'' is closer to the camera. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:18, 7 November 2007 (CST)
::::No. I mean further left. The thing left of the ring around the battlestar. The right part of that could be a ship, maybe. It might just be part of the superstructure though. Hard to tell. However, I think we can agree that there are only 3 battlestars there if we count the one above ''Pegasus''. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:31, 7 November 2007 (CST)

::If memory serves, Cain's line in "Pegasus" was something like "There were .. ships in the shipyard, two of them battlestars." I always assumed those two included ''Pegasus''. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:24, 7 November 2007 (CST)
:::No. The line goes "Five ships, two of them battlestars, they were '''destroyed''' right there." She refers only to the destroyed ships. Or if you want to fudge it, to those immediately destroyed. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:42, 7 November 2007 (CST)
:::The Valkyrie types are the ones being destroyed at 14:08 and 15:09. All together we see at least four ships exploding, all of which seem large enough to be battlestars, but we can't know the actual designations of the new ones. Some could be considered support ships despite their large size. It all depends on their roles in the fleet, doesn't it? --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 13:31, 7 November 2007 (CST)

Talk:Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards/Archive 1

2007-11-07T19:31:19Z

Pearse: /* Battlestar numbers */

== Casualties ==

Not sure how many of you saw the DVD screener already. What's clear is that we probably have to create a separate battle page for the attack on the com relay.

Somewhat unexpectedly, however, "Razor" puts the Cylon boarding action not at the attack on the shipyards, but the com relay attack soon after. Nothing wrong with that, but it creates some weirdness with the casualty numbers. In "Pegasus" Cain says that there were over 700 casualties until she made it to CIC. Then in the extended version, she specifically says that Gina allowed a boarding party on board which caused 800 casualties. "Razor" confirms this number, but as said, places the boarding action later. This would mean that about 1500 people were lost in total, which strikes me as a bit high. That's half the ship's crew! If it weren't for the more explicit line from the extended version (though I'll have to watch it again to see what she says exactly), one could say that the 800 includes the 700 lost earlier, but with it that doesn't work so well. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:41, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

: I haven't seen it yet, to be honest, but it wouldn't surprise me if they fudged the numbers a bit. They did it before with the ''Astral Queen'' numbers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 19:37, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::If the show isn't fudging the numbers, Cain ''was'', giving that she later ''[[Scylla|acquired]]'' a few new conscripts. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:40, 4 November 2007 (CDT)

:: The error isn't really in "Razor" as such, since Shaw just says "final casualty numbers", which can mean the total number since the Cylon attack. In the extended cut of "Pegasus", Cain says "it killed over 800 members of my crew". Maybe we could interpret that as including both battles, since it's also implied that Gina tampered a bit with the computer systems. Assuming that ''Pegasus'' picked up a few ''hundred'' conscripts to make for the numbers isn't really realistic. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:09, 4 November 2007 (CST)

== Battlestar numbers ==

While "Razor" only seems to show 2 battlestars, Cain mentions two as ''destroyed'' in "Pegasus". That's why it said 3/2. Maybe the vessel above ''Pegasus'' counts as battlestar, in which case that would be a new class. In any case you forgot to update the battle box as well. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:28, 7 November 2007 (CST)
:In "Razor" we see Pegasus, one Galactica type, two Valkyrie types with rollbar attachments(possibly part of the dockyard rig?) and two of the new class, which appears to be based on one of the Galactica concept designs. It seems to contradict what Cain originally said since we know that the Valkyrie was a battlestar, but perhaps the ships of that type at the dockyard were variants, making them destroyers or frigates or somesuch. --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 12:04, 7 November 2007 (CST)
::During the main establishing shot at ~6:36 there is a ''Galactica''-type in the upper right and ''Pegasus'' low right, with one very large ship above it. And it doesn't look like ''[[Valkyrie]]'' at all. The left-most berth appears to be empty, though it can't be seen fully. There might be one ship in the arm left of ''Pegasus''. To the left of the ''Galactica''-type there might be a smaller ship. The rest is the superstructure of the shipyard. I can't really see any other larger vessels. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:42, 7 November 2007 (CST)
:::Look at ~6:39. The things to the left and right of the ''Galactica''-type battlestar are clearly part of the shipyard. There is a ship right above ''Pegasus'', but it looks too small to be a battlestar. The weird thing about this shot is that the ''Galactica''-type looks bigger than ''Pegasus'', even though ''Pegasus'' is closer to the camera. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:18, 7 November 2007 (CST)
::If memory serves, Cain's line in "Pegasus" was something like "There were .. ships in the shipyard, two of them battlestars." I always assumed those two included ''Pegasus''. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:24, 7 November 2007 (CST)
:::No. The line goes "Five ships, two of them battlestars, they were '''destroyed''' right there." She refers only to the destroyed ships. Or if you want to fudge it, to those immediately destroyed. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:42, 7 November 2007 (CST)
:::The Valkyrie types are the ones being destroyed at 14:08 and 15:09. All together we see at least four ships exploding, all of which seem large enough to be battlestars, but we can't know their actual designations. Some could be considered support ships despite their large size. It all depends on their roles in the fleet, doesn't it? --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 13:31, 7 November 2007 (CST)

Talk:Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards/Archive 1

2007-11-07T18:04:20Z

Pearse: /* Battlestar numbers */

Launch tube (TRS)

2007-11-04T14:34:00Z

Pearse: /* Notes */

: ''This article covers the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-Imagined Series]] launch tubes. For their [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Launch tube (TOS)]].''

[[Image:1104Tube Mini.JPG|thumb|right|[[Viper 1104]] in the tube, ready to launch ([[Miniseries]]).]]

'''Launch tubes''' are extensively used on [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]s as a means of launching [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Blackbird|other similar craft]].

A [[Galactica type battlestar]] has a total of 80 launch tubes, forty per [[flight pod]] {{citation needed}}. The launch tubes fit one Viper at a time and are each controlled by a launch supervisor, who are in turn managed by the [[Landing Signal Officer]]. The launch supervisor can observe the tubes from a control booth with a wide view port. After running the preliminary checks on the Viper, the launch supervisor presses the launch button and a magnetic catapult throws the Viper out at great speed.

The following quote depicts the standard launch sequence (in this case for a launch of the [[Blackbird]]):

:'''[[Starbuck]]''': Instruments... in the green. Fuel pressure... nominal.<br />
:'''[[Dualla]]''': [[Apollo]], Starbuck. Blackbird flight is cleared for launch.<br />
:'''Starbuck''': Run-up.<br />
:'''[[Aaron Kelly]]''': Maglock secure, initiate launch sequence.<br />
:'''Starbuck''': Oh, don't blow up on me, you bastard.<br />
:'''Kelly''': You are clear for launch.<br />
:'''Dualla''': Blackbird is away.<br />
::--''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]''

[[Image:MkVIIlaunch Scar.JPG|thumb|left| Viper Mk VII launching ([[Scar]])]]
The launch tubes are separated from the [[hangar deck]] by large airtight metal doors. When these doors close after the ship is in the tube, the doors at the end of the tube open, allowing the tube to open up into space. Ships are returned to the hangar deck from the [[landing bay]] via elevators.

[[Alert Fighters]] are kept in the tubes at all times just in case a threat appears and the [[Combat Air Patrol|CAP]] cannot reach it in time or require reinforcements.

The launch tubes are also used to allow the dead a military space funeral when there is no earth in which to bury them ("[[Act of Contrition]]", "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]").

==Battlestar ''Galactica''==
On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' only the port launch tubes are operational. The starboard hangar deck was converted into a gift shop to go with the planned museum in the starboard landing bay bay prior to the [[Cylon Attack|destruction of the Twelve Colonies]]. However, the starboard landing bay is depressurized due to the crashlanding of a [[Cylon Heavy Raider]] through the windowed enclosure when ''Galactica'' holds off a Cylon force while attempting to recalculate the coordinates of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] ([[Scattered]]).

Following humanity's [[exodus]] from [[New Caprica]], the launch tubes are used as impromptu courtrooms by the [[The Circle|Circle]], a group commissioned by President [[Tom Zarek]] to try, convict and sentence humans who collaborated with the [[Cylons]] during their occupation of New Caprica. The Circle would execute convicted collaborators by depressurizing the launch tubes and venting the convicts to space ([[Collaborators]]).

== See Also ==
* [[flight pod]]
* [[landing bay]]
* [[hangar deck]]

== Notes ==
* "[[Final Cut]]" is a rare episode in which the camera actually follows Vipers as they are wheeled from the middle of the hangar deck and loaded into launch tubes, then take off.
* Sets for the launch tube are modified and reused for the [[airlock]] set seen in "[[A Day in the Life]]", as denoted by the doors and control station which [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]] mans in this episode. "[[Final Cut]]" also sees the control room set reused for the flight pod control during Kat's crash landing.

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Talk:Wedge-shaped vessel/Archive 1

2007-10-28T22:26:24Z

Pearse: /* ''Serenity'' appearance */

== Defender? ==
While it can't be questioned that the ship pictured was on the screen, are there any canonical sources as to the name/role/etc. of that ship? The link to a list of almost entirely non-canonical, fan-made ship designs doesn't really help the case for this ship. As it stands it's one of many ships that has appeared on screen but has no real name, description, or purpose that has been detailed either onscreen or by other canonical sources. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:23, 9 November 2006 (CST)

:The article needs to be reworded obviously, but it could be salvaged. The ship does exist and can be documented with a screenshot. Then a note can clearly explain that the name and its possible military origin (likely retrofitted for civilian use tho) is fan-derived. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:35, 9 November 2006 (CST)

: Aside from the screenshot, everything else seems to be fanon, which needs to be spaced. Also, it would probalby be better to document this ship under [[The Fleet (RDM)]] article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:52, 9 November 2006 (CST)

::I would rather call it something else just to remove its connection from fandom. The similarities of the ship on the website and the screenshot are nice, but the screenshot does not make the fan's rendering or its description canonical. If the ship was inspired by it, we can give it credit once we confirm that source, but the fan's description goes against the storyline: ''Galactica'' is the ONLY military ship left of the original Colonial Fleet; nothing else is left for defense. I would rather add it to The Fleet article with a reference footnote to the web site nothing the similarity. Otherwise we get into intellectual property and copyright issues as well as fan fiction problems. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:05, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:::It works if you assume that it was a former military ship that was decomissioned and retrofitted for civilian use (like stripped of all weapons and dedictated military technology). And the design does look vaguely military. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:16, 9 November 2006 (CST)

Noted Changes from the Original Series
The basic story is still present: robotic Cylons surprisingly attack the Colonies resulting in a holocaust, thus forcing a "rag-tag, fugitive fleet" to coalesce around the last surviving battlestar, Galactica, to seek a mythical 13th Colony where refugees hope to find shelter from the Cylons. battlestars needs some kind of military support ship,last surviving battlestar is galactica.But galactica is not only military ship in the fleet.--[[User:mustah]]
:Does not compute. Another military vessel would and should have been mentioned by now. Of course a fully equipped battlestar group does have support vessels (also mentioned in "Pegasus"), but ''Galactica'' was about to be decomissioned and alone at the time of the attack. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:20, 9 November 2006 (CST)

If this ship does indeed exist then the article name shoudl be either ''Defender'' or ''Defender-class Vessel'' or something like that --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 14:25, 9 November 2006 (CST)

in battlestar galactica pilot film, scene before civilian fleet jump to ragnar anchorage i see three viper this show military vessel capable support and pod for vipers.before ftl jump after cylon fire in the front line i see defender {{unsigned|Mustah}}16 November 2005 after fake Hera's death ,when fake hera dust flying in space. Under space park you can Wedge-shaped vessel --[[User:mustah|mustah]]
:Here's the a [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=173&pos=480 screenshot] mentioned scene. I'll look through media and see if we have it uploaded here already. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:59, 16 November 2006 (CST)

:All -- this is all [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]] right now. Aside from the photo, we really know nothing. Given the very limited military options, if Adama had a Colonial Fleet support craft that could be used, he ''would'' have used it given his very few options, if it mattered. ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' were the ONLY ''military'' ships in the fleet; there is no official info that contradicts this. There is no credible official source for this vessel other than its photo. As a descriptive name, I'd rather not use "Defender" in the name as it speculates without sourcing that it is a military vessel. "Wedge-style vessel" is fine, for example, until/if we get more data. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:15, 9 November 2006 (CST)

::I concur with Spencerian on this. Let's make a note of this ship as a "Wedge-style vessel", since "Colonial defender" strikes me as militaristic. Also, this article should be deleted, but the pic and the note should be added to [[The Fleet (RDM)]] page, as I've previously suggested. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:42, 9 November 2006 (CST)

::I spent a large chunk of time researching this vessel when I was doing a total conversion of Coxxen's low polymodels from 3DS to Blender native format when I saw the model had KEW turrets on it. Here is what I've been able to piece together: The design is by Todd "The Hobb" Boyce and originally modelled in Truespace by Steve Wilson and did show up, minus the landing bay, in the series. While no offical word from producers, that I could find, this is a Defender. It is fan created ship that ended up in the series. Whether for legal reasons they had to alter the design and have not identified the ship, since someone else did design it first, I can't say, but from a 3D CGI perspective...that's the or at least a defender. [[User:Unimatrix|Unimatrix]] 00:55, 14 November 2006 (CST)

:::What sources have you used in your research to support your claims? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:39, 14 November 2006 (CST)
::::I would be interested in your research too. Have you spoken to any of the RDM series technical team for example? While the image from the season 2 finale image does indeed ''look'' very much like the defender from that angle, the name is completely fanon as is it's purpose in the fleet. It would be nice to flesh out this article though but we cant call it the Defender for various reasons.
::::#It might simply be a homage to the guy who designed it, much like the serenity and enterprise in the Miniseries
::::#It is most definitly not a military vessel as described. Galactica is the only one left now that pegasus has gone
::::#The name is fanon created by the artist who originally designed the ship
::::Now i'm completely fanwanking here but given the size of the engines in comparison to the rest of the vessel could it be safe to say that this ship is more likely to be a freighter than passenger cruiser (authough it may have been converted) and thus could be named ''Wedge-shaped Freighter '' or ''Vessel'' until given a canon name by the producers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 04:10, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:::::[[Wedge-shaped vessel|How does this look?]] Its a quick mockup of how the pace could look with more decent content instead of all fanon. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 04:35, 15 November 2006 (CST)
::::::MUCH better. Just need a cite to backup the "only military ship" thing. But I'm pretty sure I remember somebody saying that somewhere. That may be something Brad mentioned in OC, if nothing else. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:18, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:::::::I like the article in general (although you just ''know'' that I'm going to revise it). "Wedge-shaped vessel" is a nice, non-pronoun title. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:28, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:::::::Indeed. Extremely better than what is here now. I suggest you move the page to "[[Wedge-shaped vessel]]" and import the content you have in the above subpage there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:44, 15 November 2006 (CST)
::::::::Moved. Still needs some work tho, so ill add a cleanup tag to it. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:37, 15 November 2006 (CST)
::::::::I found the [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive3#RE: Military Ships|bit that Bradley said about it]] in the OC archives too. "If other ships have survived, military or otherwise, we haven't yet made contact with them" Needs to be added as a "source" perhaps? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:49, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:We ahd a little discussion over the user adding it at Wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_miscellaneous_ships_in_Battlestar_Galactica_%282004%29 here]. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 15:44, 16 November 2006 (CST)

== Adriatic? ==

I have a feeling this is the ''[[Adriatic]]''.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 12.52 15 Friday June 2007
: Any particular reason for that? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 21:56, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
Look on [[The Passage]] and you'll probibly see why?--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]]

== ''Serenity'' appearance ==

Can someone provide a screenshot or time index for reference? Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:04, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

I was going to upload some screencaps for reference, but my computer's in a bad mood, so I'll do it sometime later. The ship appears in the battle between the Reavers and the Alliance at the following times: 01:20:12(top left), 01:20:55 and 01:23:09(right hand side). --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 17:26, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Wedge-shaped vessel/Archive 1

2007-10-28T22:26:01Z

Pearse: /* ''Serenity'' appearance */

== Defender? ==
While it can't be questioned that the ship pictured was on the screen, are there any canonical sources as to the name/role/etc. of that ship? The link to a list of almost entirely non-canonical, fan-made ship designs doesn't really help the case for this ship. As it stands it's one of many ships that has appeared on screen but has no real name, description, or purpose that has been detailed either onscreen or by other canonical sources. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:23, 9 November 2006 (CST)

:The article needs to be reworded obviously, but it could be salvaged. The ship does exist and can be documented with a screenshot. Then a note can clearly explain that the name and its possible military origin (likely retrofitted for civilian use tho) is fan-derived. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:35, 9 November 2006 (CST)

: Aside from the screenshot, everything else seems to be fanon, which needs to be spaced. Also, it would probalby be better to document this ship under [[The Fleet (RDM)]] article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:52, 9 November 2006 (CST)

::I would rather call it something else just to remove its connection from fandom. The similarities of the ship on the website and the screenshot are nice, but the screenshot does not make the fan's rendering or its description canonical. If the ship was inspired by it, we can give it credit once we confirm that source, but the fan's description goes against the storyline: ''Galactica'' is the ONLY military ship left of the original Colonial Fleet; nothing else is left for defense. I would rather add it to The Fleet article with a reference footnote to the web site nothing the similarity. Otherwise we get into intellectual property and copyright issues as well as fan fiction problems. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:05, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:::It works if you assume that it was a former military ship that was decomissioned and retrofitted for civilian use (like stripped of all weapons and dedictated military technology). And the design does look vaguely military. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:16, 9 November 2006 (CST)

Noted Changes from the Original Series
The basic story is still present: robotic Cylons surprisingly attack the Colonies resulting in a holocaust, thus forcing a "rag-tag, fugitive fleet" to coalesce around the last surviving battlestar, Galactica, to seek a mythical 13th Colony where refugees hope to find shelter from the Cylons. battlestars needs some kind of military support ship,last surviving battlestar is galactica.But galactica is not only military ship in the fleet.--[[User:mustah]]
:Does not compute. Another military vessel would and should have been mentioned by now. Of course a fully equipped battlestar group does have support vessels (also mentioned in "Pegasus"), but ''Galactica'' was about to be decomissioned and alone at the time of the attack. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:20, 9 November 2006 (CST)

If this ship does indeed exist then the article name shoudl be either ''Defender'' or ''Defender-class Vessel'' or something like that --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 14:25, 9 November 2006 (CST)

in battlestar galactica pilot film, scene before civilian fleet jump to ragnar anchorage i see three viper this show military vessel capable support and pod for vipers.before ftl jump after cylon fire in the front line i see defender {{unsigned|Mustah}}16 November 2005 after fake Hera's death ,when fake hera dust flying in space. Under space park you can Wedge-shaped vessel --[[User:mustah|mustah]]
:Here's the a [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=173&pos=480 screenshot] mentioned scene. I'll look through media and see if we have it uploaded here already. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:59, 16 November 2006 (CST)

:All -- this is all [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]] right now. Aside from the photo, we really know nothing. Given the very limited military options, if Adama had a Colonial Fleet support craft that could be used, he ''would'' have used it given his very few options, if it mattered. ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' were the ONLY ''military'' ships in the fleet; there is no official info that contradicts this. There is no credible official source for this vessel other than its photo. As a descriptive name, I'd rather not use "Defender" in the name as it speculates without sourcing that it is a military vessel. "Wedge-style vessel" is fine, for example, until/if we get more data. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:15, 9 November 2006 (CST)

::I concur with Spencerian on this. Let's make a note of this ship as a "Wedge-style vessel", since "Colonial defender" strikes me as militaristic. Also, this article should be deleted, but the pic and the note should be added to [[The Fleet (RDM)]] page, as I've previously suggested. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:42, 9 November 2006 (CST)

::I spent a large chunk of time researching this vessel when I was doing a total conversion of Coxxen's low polymodels from 3DS to Blender native format when I saw the model had KEW turrets on it. Here is what I've been able to piece together: The design is by Todd "The Hobb" Boyce and originally modelled in Truespace by Steve Wilson and did show up, minus the landing bay, in the series. While no offical word from producers, that I could find, this is a Defender. It is fan created ship that ended up in the series. Whether for legal reasons they had to alter the design and have not identified the ship, since someone else did design it first, I can't say, but from a 3D CGI perspective...that's the or at least a defender. [[User:Unimatrix|Unimatrix]] 00:55, 14 November 2006 (CST)

:::What sources have you used in your research to support your claims? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:39, 14 November 2006 (CST)
::::I would be interested in your research too. Have you spoken to any of the RDM series technical team for example? While the image from the season 2 finale image does indeed ''look'' very much like the defender from that angle, the name is completely fanon as is it's purpose in the fleet. It would be nice to flesh out this article though but we cant call it the Defender for various reasons.
::::#It might simply be a homage to the guy who designed it, much like the serenity and enterprise in the Miniseries
::::#It is most definitly not a military vessel as described. Galactica is the only one left now that pegasus has gone
::::#The name is fanon created by the artist who originally designed the ship
::::Now i'm completely fanwanking here but given the size of the engines in comparison to the rest of the vessel could it be safe to say that this ship is more likely to be a freighter than passenger cruiser (authough it may have been converted) and thus could be named ''Wedge-shaped Freighter '' or ''Vessel'' until given a canon name by the producers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 04:10, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:::::[[Wedge-shaped vessel|How does this look?]] Its a quick mockup of how the pace could look with more decent content instead of all fanon. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 04:35, 15 November 2006 (CST)
::::::MUCH better. Just need a cite to backup the "only military ship" thing. But I'm pretty sure I remember somebody saying that somewhere. That may be something Brad mentioned in OC, if nothing else. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:18, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:::::::I like the article in general (although you just ''know'' that I'm going to revise it). "Wedge-shaped vessel" is a nice, non-pronoun title. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:28, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:::::::Indeed. Extremely better than what is here now. I suggest you move the page to "[[Wedge-shaped vessel]]" and import the content you have in the above subpage there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:44, 15 November 2006 (CST)
::::::::Moved. Still needs some work tho, so ill add a cleanup tag to it. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:37, 15 November 2006 (CST)
::::::::I found the [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive3#RE: Military Ships|bit that Bradley said about it]] in the OC archives too. "If other ships have survived, military or otherwise, we haven't yet made contact with them" Needs to be added as a "source" perhaps? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:49, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:We ahd a little discussion over the user adding it at Wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_miscellaneous_ships_in_Battlestar_Galactica_%282004%29 here]. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 15:44, 16 November 2006 (CST)

== Adriatic? ==

I have a feeling this is the ''[[Adriatic]]''.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 12.52 15 Friday June 2007
: Any particular reason for that? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 21:56, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
Look on [[The Passage]] and you'll probibly see why?--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]]

== ''Serenity'' appearance ==

Can someone provide a screenshot or time index for reference? Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:04, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
*I was going to upload some screencaps for reference, but my computer's in a bad mood, so I'll do it sometime later. The ship appears in the battle between the Reavers and the Alliance at the following times: 01:20:12(top left), 01:20:55 and 01:23:09(right hand side). --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 17:26, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

Wedge-shaped vessel

2007-10-28T21:52:38Z

Pearse:

{{Ship Data
| image= Unknown Wedge Vessel.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| ftl= Yes
| role=
| length=
| width=
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An unnamed '''wedge-shaped vessel'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is briefly seen during the Fleet's emergency jump away from [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

It is also part of the first group of ships to be shepherded through the radiation cloud of a star cluster to a planet rich with consumable algae. It is not seen among the ships that clear the jump however. Another ship of the same configuration can be seen in the background just behind the ''[[Space Park]]'' when the first jump commences ([[The Passage]]).

A further appearance is after the jump to the [[Ionian nebula]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

==Notes==
*This ship appears to be based on a design created by a fan of the series, Todd Boyce. On his website where many other [[fan fiction]] renderings are hosted, he called the ship the "''Defender''".

* While the wedge-shaped vessel shares its design with the "''Defender''", it does not share its military purpose. The ''Defender'' is a military ship, envisioned by the artist as a support vessel for larger [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]s. However, in the series [[canon]], ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is the only Colonial military vessel in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].

*With some Reaver additions, the ship appears as a background vessel in the movie Serenity. The effects for both Serenity and Battlestar Galactica were produced by Zoic.

*Battlestar Wiki is not a [[fan fiction]] repository. However, the remarkable similarity between the artist's ship (created before the episode "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") and the rendering from the Re-imagined Series is sufficient to warrant its note in this encyclopedia.

==External links==
* [http://ravensbranch.allen.com/colonialshipdescriptions.html Todd Boyce's fan design and description].

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Gravity in the Re-imagined Series

2007-05-06T17:16:45Z

Pearse:

{{RDM science series}}

:''Much of the information here was derived from the Wikipedia article on [[Wikipedia:Artificial gravity|artificial gravity]].''

Of course, it's very practical for humans, who evolved in '''gravity''', to have it aboard their ships.

Cinematically, it also makes it much easier for the show to keep production costs down by not having to simulate weightlessness on board the fleet in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

That doesn't mean we can let the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] get away with just having artificial gravity without some explanation, especially given [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron D. Moore]]'s [[Naturalistic science fiction]] principles of his show. From a science fiction perspective, this has always been the hardest "technology" to explain away in a show.

[[Image:Synthgravity1.jpg|right|thumb|Throwaway graphics in the upper right corner of this computer display shows terms relating to the artificial gravity in a [[Raptor]].]]
So far, the only information acknowledging the use of artificial gravity in the series comes from a few close-ups of [[Computers|computer]] displays, where the terms "Gravity control" and "synthetic gravity" are shown (look to the upper right of the picture shown).

From what scientists have theorized, gravity could be artificially generated in several ways:

* ''Rotation of the spacecraft'' to generate centrifugal forces within a spacecraft.
:This motion would push objects and people in the ship outward, so the outside skin of the ship would act as the "floor". This was done in the movie ''2001: A Space Odyssey'' (the crew compartment inside the ''Discovery'' spun) and the TV show "[[Wikipedia:Babylon 5|Babylon 5]]" (the cylindrical space station spun on its longitudinal axis). One of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s ships in fact sometimes uses this form of artificial gravity: the [[Space Park]]. Viewers can get a good view of this ship in motion when the Fleet leaves [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in the Miniseries. It's specified that the ship's design dates from a period when centrifugal force was the main artificial-gravity solution in place, before whatever current technology is in use came into widespread use.

* ''Keeping the ship at constant acceleration'', with the crew standing in the opposite direction of acceleration.
:Same principle that every astronaut experiences as their rocket launches into space and accelerates. This of course means that the ship must get progressively faster for eternity; stabilizing speed would lead to weightlesness, and stopping the ship would send everyone crashing into the ceiling.

* ''Place something with a lot of mass'' within your ship.
:This isn't artificial gravity, but the real thing. But there is the matter of the energies required to move your ship, the large gravity well that wants to attract other objects into your ship's general direction, and the shape of your ship. Gravity just '''works''', pulling from every direction, so you would need a round ship to keep from strange changes in gravity aboard a ship. Worst of all, the amount of fuel needed to move a ship with a local mass concentration would be very high.

* ''Use tidal forces''.
:Stretch a tether with a small mass between a large gravity source and the ship you want. Cheap, fuel-free, and reliable. There's the matter of actually being able to travel somewhere besides planetary orbit without losing gravity, however. Several ships from the science-fiction role-playing game series "[[Wikipedia:Xenosaga|Xenosaga]]," particularly the vessels ''Durandal'' and ''Dämmerung'', appear to use a concept similar to this with masses rotating around the ship in a controlled orbit maintained by forcefields.

* ''Use magnetism''.
:The term for this is [[Wikipedia:Diamagnetism|diamagnetism]]. Based on the technologies we've seen in the Re-imagined Series (such as their use of magnetism for landing and launching Vipers)<ref name="vipers">In the [[Miniseries]], a preflight checkout and launch of the fighters can be seen. For launch, the [[Launch tubes (RDM)|launch tubes]] use a magnetic catapult ("magcat") to hurl the Vipers out. On landing, either magnetism or some blend of artificial gravity pulls Vipers to rest on the deck of the [[Flight pod|flight pod]]. This force appears to be just strong enough; note the bouncing that the fighters do as their landing skids hit the landing deck while they retreat to ''Galactica'' as it prepares to jump from Ragnar Anchorage at the conclusion of the Miniseries.</ref>, this principle has the most viability, but is also fraught with huge problems in application.
:''Everything'' has a magnetic attraction, but most objects (a human body included) have very little of it. Diamagnetism at the present time has mostly been used to ''repel'' two objects, i.e. to levitate one of them, instead of to attract them, as gravity would.<ref>Scientists on Earth have actually [http://www.hfml.science.ru.nl/levitate.html levitated a frog at a force of 1''g'' ] (Earth's gravity), but it took a massive amount of cryogenically frozen hardware to do it, and that was using the magnet to push ''away'' from Earth's gravity, not push the object ''down''.</ref>. Also, high magnetic field concentrations are probably not very healthy in the long term. [http://star-www.st-and.ac.uk/~jrs/safety/magnetic.html]

Other, less-scientific possibilities that the writers could use include:

* ''Simulate gravity with force fields.''
:The eponymous spaceship in the TV show "[[Wikipedia:Andromeda (TV series)|Andromeda]]" uses "gravity generators". The ''Star Trek'' universe has a [[MemoryAlpha:Artificial gravity|similar concept]]. This seems to be a slap in the face of the realistic SF ethos since it has no basis in scientific plausibilty at present.

* ''Spacetime manipulation.''
:The ability to do [[FTL|Faster Than Light travel]] indicates the Colonials have the advanced technology to manipulate the fabric of spacetime. This same ability might be harnessed to provide artificial gravitation. However, ''Galactica's'' FTL drives are often inactive on the show (they're inactive until they're "spun up"), while the gravity is always on.

So far the concept of artificial gravity in the show has yet to be explained.

===What about the flight pods on ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''?===

Unlike ''Galactica's'', each flight pod on the advanced battlestar ''Pegasus'' are divided along its length into two landing bays. In "[[The Captain's Hand]]", Vipers are flying inverted (relative to the battlestar) and land in the bays "upside down." Is artificial gravity to be credited with this?

The answer is more likely magnetism. Vipers are launched with a magnetic catapult, and (as seen in "[[The Hand of God]]") can magnetically mate using their landing skids to a metal surface (in this case, the interior of a freighter). Like gravity, magnetism works in any direction, and takes little to maintain. Confirming this idea is a scene from the [[Miniseries]]. As ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' lands in ''Galactica's'' port flight pod to offload passengers for the decommissioning ceremony, two spacesuited figures are working on the deck. The two crewmembers are floating, suggesting that artificial gravity is ''not'' in use. Reinforcing this are the [[Combat landing|combat landings]] done by Vipers. The fighters bounce very noticeably at high speeds but, unlike a rock skipping across a pond, the Viper bounces less ballistically, suggesting that magnetism, a weaker force than gravity, is at work. How the Vipers get from the upside-down flight deck to the right-side-up [[hangar deck]], however, is unknown.

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Reilly

2007-05-06T16:42:30Z

Pearse: presume too much

'''Reilly''' is a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot assigned to [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']].

He is killed by [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]]. His death is particularly gruesome, as [[Cally]] purportedly has to "hose out his <nowiki>[</nowiki>Reilly<nowiki>'s]</nowiki> cockpit".

Reilly is said to have been a competent pilot, but easily spooked. A photo of his girlfriend (presumably dead, apparently having been taken before the war) is a recurring topic of conversation during "Scar," as no one seems to be able to remember her name ([[Scar]]).

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Colonial shuttle

2007-02-13T23:01:25Z

Pearse: removed link, the "working model" in The Woman King was this version, not the atmospheric shuttle

:''For the [[Re-imagined Series]] counterpart, see [[Atmospheric shuttle]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= colonialshuttle.jpg
| title= Colonial Shuttle
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= No
| role= Twin-engined cargo craft
}}

The '''Colonial Shuttle''' is a large, twin-engined cargo craft. The shuttle is unarmed, but is capable of carrying a [[landram]] (or [[snowram]]) and cargo in addition to a crew compliment.

Shuttles are equipped with a loading ramp that allows for rapid deployment of the stowed vehicle ([[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part I (TOS)|The Gun on Ice Planet Zero]]). Shuttles can also be used for deploying parachute troops, dropping out of the shuttle from a special chamber ([[The Living Legend, Part II]]).

In the hours after the [[Cylon]] attack on the Colonies, shuttles of this type ferried survivors from ships in the [[The Fleet (TOS)|new civilian fleet]] to [[Galactica (TOS)|''Galactica'']] for medical treatment ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

While the cockpit has seating for two pilots, the rear compartment has ample room for large numbers of civilian passengers.

In addition, shuttles are outfitted with emergency channels, which relay telemetry to their home base on the condition of the ship ([[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part I]]).

==Colonial Shuttles in the Reimagined series==
A '''Colonial Shuttle''' is seen at the start of the [[Miniseries]] as it ferries the [[Colonial Fleet]]'s [[Armistice Officer]] from [[Picon Fleet Headquarters]] to [[Armistice Station]].
[[Image:Shuttletos.jpg|right|thumb|The Original Series shuttle as seen in the opening scene of the RDM [[Miniseries]].]]
Another shuttle of this type is seen in the [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] exhibition in the [[Miniseries]], while working models are still used in the Fleet ([[The Woman King]]). Whether this is an indication that such shuttles are used aboard ''Galactica'' is unknown.

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Colonial shuttle

2007-02-13T20:36:45Z

Pearse: appearence in latest episode

:''For the [[Re-imagined Series]] counterpart, see [[Atmospheric shuttle]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= colonialshuttle.jpg
| title= Colonial Shuttle
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= No
| role= Twin-engined cargo craft
}}

The '''Colonial Shuttle''' is a large, twin-engined cargo craft. The shuttle is unarmed, but is capable of carrying a [[landram]] (or [[snowram]]) and cargo in addition to a crew compliment.

Shuttles are equipped with a loading ramp that allows for rapid deployment of the stowed vehicle ([[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part I (TOS)|The Gun on Ice Planet Zero]]). Shuttles can also be used for deploying parachute troops, dropping out of the shuttle from a special chamber ([[The Living Legend, Part II]]).

In the hours after the [[Cylon]] attack on the Colonies, shuttles of this type ferried survivors from ships in the [[The Fleet (TOS)|new civilian fleet]] to [[Galactica (TOS)|''Galactica'']] for medical treatment ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

While the cockpit has seating for two pilots, the rear compartment has ample room for large numbers of civilian passengers.

In addition, shuttles are outfitted with emergency channels, which relay telemetry to their home base on the condition of the ship ([[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part I]]).

==Colonial Shuttles in the Reimagined series==
A '''Colonial Shuttle''' is seen at the start of the [[Miniseries]] as it ferries the [[Colonial Fleet]]'s [[Armistice Officer]] from [[Picon Fleet Headquarters]] to [[Armistice Station]].
[[Image:Shuttletos.jpg|right|thumb|The Original Series shuttle as seen in the opening scene of the RDM [[Miniseries]].]]
Another shuttle of this type is seen in the [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] exhibition in the [[Miniseries]], while working models are still used in the fleet ([[The Woman King]]). Whether this is an indication that such shuttles are used aboard Galactica us unknown.

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Talk:Final Five/Archive 1

2007-02-03T00:31:06Z

Pearse: /* Warning - possibly big spoiler below */

I took the image into photoshop (I do minor image tweaking at my job), did everything I could to enhance it, just for fun. And I'd like to make a grandiose speculation that the Five look, well, slightly mutilated...or mutated. Botched Cylon experiments, torutred and insane minds!!! I don't know, That one "fellow's" hand reaching to Three looks awefully stumpy...of course it could always be some foreshortening.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 10:57, 3 January 2007 (CST)

Yup, totally convinced they are mutilated and grotesque, their faces, albiet shrouded are just a little odd and produce strange shadow tones.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 11:17, 3 January 2007 (CST)

:It is also possible that the show is intentionally masquerading their faces to allow the show to cast anyone in these roles at a later time, rather than fixing the faces of the characters right away. In any case, any interpretations of these promo shots are too speculative to make a valid assessment. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:38, 3 January 2007 (CST)

We should get rid of the main picture - we don't know for sure that they are in fact the Final Five, they may be simply a hallucation on the part of D'eanna when she resurrects/is boxed.
Or perhaps the five temple priests who are not Cylons. Point is, we don't know --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 06:26, 10 January 2007 (CST)
:Writer's often portray canon information through a character, in this case D'Anna. That is the same vision she always has when she dies, we've already seen a part of the scene on "Hero", and it's what she's been seeing again and again. Her sketches and such are merely her representations of what she saw, this picture is what she actually saw. Anyways, even if you choose to not believe D'Anna, and even if you doubt the only logical explanation, I think David Eick confirmed that it's them she sees on a EW article. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:53, 10 January 2007 (CST)

== ID ==

Looking at the high resolution picture, I can identify most of the actors in these robes. Whether they actually are the Final Five Cylons or whether this is just a dream sequence and they grabbed whoever was convenient is not clear. From the left to the right:

# Aaron Douglas, better known as Chief Tyrol. The stature and facial features are a perfect match.
# Tahmoh Penikett, better known as Helo. This isn't as certain, but the lower face and stature both match.
# Unidentified female
# Unidentified female
# The big, bald Asian pilot who's always in the rec room.

[[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 21:32, 9 January 2007 (CST)

No two cylons can have a child which makes Tahmoh Penikett wrong. Don't know about the others, though the "Chief" guy is certainly too short --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 06:21, 10 January 2007 (CST)

:Major kudos if you are correct, cause I cartainly can't see it myself :P -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:27, 10 January 2007 (CST)
::They're just stand-ins, they don't release promo pics at random, and they wouldn't reveal anyone in such a way when having a chance to do it on screen. But as said before, those faces are vague enough to be almost anyone. They might have similarities, but a lot of people in the world can have similar features without looking the same. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:32, 10 January 2007 (CST)

::The thing of it is, is; we're all going to see what we want in them untill we actually see them. I'm pretty sure I'm not right (above comment) and fairly sure when they did these Promo pics and ambiguous #3 "in the hinterlands of Cylon death land" dreams, that they wouldn't have cast definite actors...it's a pretty significant choice to make of who should play the roles...so, stick some people in robes and shrouds to stand in and any old person will do for the snippets, clips, dream scenes and teaser tastys. we won't know 'till we know--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:42, 12 January 2007 (CST)

:Personally I think the show would be smart to not put all of their eggs in one basket on this whole final five thing. At least one of the five should be someone we've never seen, one should be someone who is alive and in the fleet and at least one should be someone who was in the fleet that has been dead for a while. Making all of the five sleepers who are in the fleet or making them all dead characters or all new characters wouldn't be very cool. Making it a balance between the three would be nice. --[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 19 January 2007.

I hate to repeat what's been stated, but I think Philwelch is looking way too hard because I see no one - and I mean ''no one'' familar in that image. Not even a vague similarity. I'm certain they're just stand-ins, but I find it odd that they'd release an image that shows so much, but also expect us not to see a match when the five are revealed. You'd figure they'd put more effort in hiding the faces, just to cover the bases. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 08:43, 22 January 2007 (CST)

== Reason for Locking ==

I don't want the server to flood or 4k people trying to edit this page. Take your time and finsh everything else first. Unprotect this at Midnight. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 19:21, 21 January 2007 (CST)

== Interpretation question ==

After thinking about this, there are only two individuals that believe that what D'anna/Three has seen is actually images of the final five Cylons: herself, and Baltar. The Colonials scripture know that the Temple of Five was human-built, long before the Cylons existed, and was related to five priests who may have worshiped someone different from the Lords of Kobol. There's plenty of inference (with Kara Thrace, Leoben, [[Dodona Selloi]], and the Threes) that there is a connection between the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon God. My problem is that, while the notion that the final five Cylons has been established, there isn't information ''between'' the characters that verifies that what Three has seen are actual Cylon or human figures.

For that reason, I am going to rewrite this article with a level of neutrality that does not support only Three's belief since there is Colonial connections that exist. The final five represent five human priestly people (blessed, cursed or otherwise cited) or five Cylons (boxed, or related somehow to the origin of the new Cylon, which, after "Rapture," is not clear-cut. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:31, 27 January 2007 (CST)
:Well....RDM called them "The Final Five" in his podcast...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 10:03, 27 January 2007 (CST)
::The podcast doesn't elaborate on their nature, and Ron has twisted the truth before to keep the storyline a mystery until aired. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:06, 27 January 2007 (CST)

==Three wasn't the Only One==
I think we should also mention that Number Three wasn't the only Cylon to believe they were the Final Five. The Cavils believed it well enough to try to shoot her and even box her. So I think we should at least mention that they too believed Three was seeing the Final Five, enough to essentially eliminate 1/3 of their known female population. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:00, 27 January 2007 (CST)

The light that shines down as the Nova goes is real, and D'anna starts bleeding and dies for no other apparent reason. If it's an illusion in her mind, these things don't match.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 21:22, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:It didn't seem like an illusion, but rather a simple isolate hologram, which wouldn't be surprising since that's the kind of tech these things ususally have in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:35, 1 February 2007 (CST)

::The podcast supports the assumption that Three saw the actual Final Five, although I don't think it's explicitly stated. As for the device in the temple, there's quite a few possible explanations and I doubt we'll ever get a definitive answer about which one is correct. The device could've triggered both Three's death and the visions directly, the device could've triggered Three's death, resulting in a vision just like her previous deaths did or the device could've triggered the visions, resulting in Three's death due to some hypothetical built-in failsafe in Three. Each of those three possibilities also has a number of explanations (for example, if the device caused the visions, it may have been a technological substitute for [[chamalla]], it may have been designed to unlock repressed memories or in may have been programmed with the images of the Final Five at any time in the past 4000 years). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:17, 2 February 2007 (CST)
::: It seems that [[projection]] would be a likely technology behind a vision seen only by here. Why a 4,000 year old temple would be able to do that is nor more a mystery than why it would be able to insert a vision any other way. Further reflection shows this image to possibly be different from the image in the Temple of Athena, which was more holodeck like, and seen by all.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:47, 2 February 2007 (CST)

==Warning - possibly big spoiler below==
I was watching Final Five photo, when I noticed face similarity to one of main characters face. I made some photo mainpulating, and results is below.

[http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9007/finalfivespoilerzq0.png] <-- POSSIBLE HEAVY SPOILER

It gives me around 60-70% sure, that this char is one of Final Five. Yet there are two other things - first - it's possible, that director didn't thought of that, and put this actor there to "fill the gap".

Second - as I've searched through characteristic of this one, I haven't even found slight connections to Cylon, and it would mess with storyline pretty badly.

What do you think about that? --[[User:XLII|XLII]] 16:41, 28 January 2007 (CST)

:Again, don't take that picture too literally. It did not actually appear in the episode after all, and they chose not to show the faces in detail at the end. We don't know if it was actually shot that way at all and just cut, or if they are just stand-ins for a test shot or something. In any case, since we don't see the five in the episode, we can't draw any conclusions --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:58, 28 January 2007 (CST)

:Also remember how much Leoben likes mixing truth and lies... "Adama is a Cylon." [[User:Wynler|Wynler]] 11:12, 29 January 2007 (CST)
::XLII your idea was a good one, but there's a flaw in your comparison. As you darken the image of the actor, that face overtakes the face of the Final Five. The jawlines match up, which makes it look like it's the same person, but watch the chin and the upper lip (and the 5 o'clock shadow) in pics 1&2 and 4&5. They're different. --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 19:44, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:::Even if you forget for a moment that the people in the promo picture are just stand-ins Lee Adama is most defintly '''not''' a Cylon anyway we already worked that out. Because he is the son of someone else who is most definitly not a cylon and the Cylons are not copies of already existing people. See [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] and [[Characters eliminated from suspicion]] --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup>
::::Not to mention that Lee has his fat makeup on there. Even if the images matched up, it wouldn't be a true likeness of Lee/Jamie Bamber.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:31, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Battlestar Galactica (TRS)

2006-12-23T17:05:40Z

Pearse: /* Noted Changes from the Original Series */

<blockquote>''This article refers to the 2003 re-imagined version of ''Battlestar Galactica''. For information on the 1978 Original Series, see [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)]].</blockquote>

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[[Image:Image lg bgcast.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Some of the central cast of the new "Battlestar Galactica" series.]]

==Summary==
The 2003 [[Miniseries]] debut of '''''Battlestar Galactica''''' was a "[[Wikipedia:Reboot (continuity)|re-imagining]]," or updated version of [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the 1970s "Battlestar Galactica"]] made [[Naturalistic science fiction|more suitable]] to the modern sensibilities of the 21st Century. Aiming to tacle issues of civil rights, survival, terrorism, and religion, "Battlestar Galactica" is an sci-fi drama following the survivors of the human race—which number under 50,000. A familiar but different [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' finds herself leading a refugee [[The Fleet (RDM)|fleet]] on a lonely (and [[Home, Part II|initially fictitious]]) quest for [[Earth]], with turmoil from within and danger from without.

On the "Battlestar Wiki," the show's most common abbreviations are "the Re-imagined Series," or "RDM" for the initials of its executive co-producer and chief writer, [[Ronald D. Moore]] (as "Star Trek: The Next Generation" is often referred to as "TNG"). It was also initially disambiguated as "TNS" (for "The New Series"), or "BSG", but this has become rarer over time as it distinguished itself more from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|1978 series]], or the "Original Series" as it is commonly called on Battlestar Wiki.

"Battlestar Galactica" began (or, "re-began") as a four-hour [[Miniseries]] pilot that showed the destruction of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], but in a style more familiar and disturbing to today's viewers, making its events eerily reminiscent of feelings felt by many viewers to the sporadic and inconsistent news and chaos shown during the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States.

While the ship was probably the most familar element derived from the Original Series, many elements of the new show were very, very different. The commander, [[William Adama]], is a battle-hardened, secularly-minded commander on the eve of retirement for himself and his combat-decorated old battlestar. The names of Original Series characters are now the pilot call signs for his son, [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]] and the crack-pilot, [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]. Starbuck's change into a female character initially became a torrid issue to Original Series fans who feared this and other changes would render an inferior series.

However, some fans became pleasently suprised when the series aired. Unlike its Original Series counterpart, this new series has not only survived, preparing episodes for its third season beginning in in October, 2006, but has received many awards and nominations, including several Emmy nominations and one award, a Hugo Award, and even its own spin-off series, [[Caprica (series)|currently in development.]] However, it has recieved some critiscm from fans who feel it bastardized the original series, and some critics disliked it for various reasons.

As of the end of the regular 2006 television season, "Battlestar Galactica" was the Sci-Fi Channel's highest-rated program, beating out the venerable SF series, "[[Wikipedia:Stargate SG-1|Stargate SG-1]]" and its spin-off, "[[Wikipedia:Stargate Atlantis|Stargate Atlantis]]."

== Noted Changes from the [[Original Series]] ==
The basic story is still present: robotic [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] surprisingly attack the Colonies resulting in a holocaust, thus forcing a "rag-tag, fugitive fleet" to coalesce around the last surviving [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]], ''[[Galactica]]'', to seek a mythical [[13th Colony]] where refugees hope to find shelter from the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]].

However, many of the fine details are changed, such as:

* The Cylons were created by Humanity, not by a reptilian race (also called [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]]) who hated Humanity. This makes their origins similar to those of the machines of the [[Wikipedia:The Terminator|Terminator]] or the [[Wikipedia:The Matrix|The Matrix]].
* Battlestar ''Galactica'' is a 50 year old relic on the verge of decommission.
* The names of "Apollo", "Boomer", and "Starbuck" are changed to call signs. Most characters have standard first and last names; some first names were not given until later in the series, such as [[Felix Gaeta|Felix Gaeta's]] or [[Anastasia Dualla|Anastasia Dualla's]].
* The futuristic (and often confusing) terminology used to denote units of measurement, such as distance and time, in the original series has been replaced with understandable terminology. For instance, "year" was replaced with "yahren" in the original.
* The ship designs, save for some revisions to the [[Viper (RDM)|Mk. II Viper]] and ''[[Galactica]]'' and a few noteworthy background ships (such as the [[Astral Queen]] and the [[Botanical Cruiser]]), have been redone.
* The [[Quorum of Twelve]] is not mentioned in the miniseries, and is apparently supplemented by a government body similar to the United States [[WikiPedia:executive branch|executive branch]]. There is a president, vice president, and secretaries. The [[Quorum of Twelve|Quorum]] does not make an appearance until episode 1.11 ([[Colonial Day]]).
* Instead of the other-worldly, Egyptian-esque clothing and city designs (i.e. pyramids) seen in the original, the clothing and cities are more contemporary in design and function.

The relationships and characters also differ significantly from the Original Series.

* [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]], who was played as a male character by [[Herb Jefferson Jr.]] in the original, is now the call-sign of a female Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Grace Park]]).
* [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]], who was played as a male character by [[Dirk Benedict]] in the original, is now the call-sign of a female lieutenant named [[Kara Thrace]] ([[Katee Sackhoff]])
* "Adama", "Tigh", and "Baltar" are now surnames.
* The character of [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], portrayed by [[Lorne Greene]] in the Original Series, becomes [[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]] ([[Edward James Olmos]]). Adama's beliefs are far more secular than his TOS counterpart.
* [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]], portrayed by [[Original Series]] star and continuation activist [[Richard Hatch]], is the call sign of [[Lee Adama]] ([[Jamie Bamber]]).
* [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]], who was willingly complicit in the destruction of the Colonies due to his thirst for power, is now a scientific genius named [[Gaius Baltar]].
* The character of Colonel [[Tigh (TOS)|Tigh]], portrayed by [[Terry Carter]], is now separated from his wife and seeing out the rest of his career from inside a bottle in the form of Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] ([[Michael Hogan]]) who hasn't seen military action in a long while.

The show has taken a more realistic turn. [[Science in the Re-imagined Series|Realistic science]], which was painfully absent in the Original Series, is applied in this series.

Certain models of Cylons [[Cylon agent|appear human, right down to the blood]] -- it takes complex tests just to screen for these [[Cylon agent|Cylon agents]]. This generates some very disturbing questions. For one, the Cylons have now managed to merge in with human society, making it easier to manipulate from within. This mirrors terrorist methods of infiltration and delivering destructive results to heavy population centers (a la suicide bombers).

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]] (2003-2006)
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, see the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Wiki Crew Portal.]]

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Faru Sadin

2006-12-14T01:36:50Z

Pearse:

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The '''''Faru Sadin''''' is a ship in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

The ''Faru Sadin'' is successfully guided through a dangerously hot and otherwise-unnavigable star cluster cloud by way of a [[Raptor]] piloted by [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] on the last of five outbound [[FTL|jumps]] to a [[algae planet|planet with desperately needed foodstuffs]].

Kat, knowing that she had already received dangerous radiation exposure after trying unsuccessfully to find and escort the ''[[Carina]]'', manages to find the ''Faru Sadin'' and return her to the safety of the Fleet. Kat's bravery saves the ship and its skeleton crew, but Kat later dies from radiation poisoning ([[The Passage]]).

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Atmosphere Visual Effects

2006-12-12T23:08:24Z

Pearse:

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[[Image:Atmos VFX.jpg|right|250px|Atmosphere Visual Effects Logo]]
'''Atmosphere Visual Effects''' is a special effects factory located in Vancouver, British Columbia, who have worked on the [[Re-imagined]] series of Battlestar Galactica.

Atmosphere Visual Effects has a staff base of over 25 artists with skills including but not limited to:
* Previz - Working at the location to produce the best shots
* CG - Environment, characters and vehicles using a variety of software
* Compositing - Blending live-action with CG, miniatures and matte paintings
* Matte painting - Digitally painted images and full CG environments

Atmosphere Visual Effects won a [[Awards#Visual Effects Society Awards|VES Award]] in 2006 for ''Outstanding Animated Character in a Live Action Broadcast Program, Commercial, or Music Video'' from their work on the Cylon CG, an award they were previously nominated for in 2005.

==External Links==
*[http://www.atmosphere-vfx.com/ ''Atmosphere Visual Effects'' homepage]

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Carina

2006-12-11T16:41:17Z

Pearse:

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| image= Carina.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| ftl= Yes
| role= Unknown
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'''''Carina''''' was a civilian ship in [[the Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

''Carina'' is lost in an unsuccessful attempt to pass through the star cluster around the algae planet. ''Carina'''s [[Raptor]] escort, piloted by Captain [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]], loses contact with the ship during the fourth outbound trip ([[The Passage]]).

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Talk:The Passage/Archive 1

2006-12-11T16:36:56Z

Pearse: /* Carol-Anne? */

== I cried ==
When I watched the episode tonight, I cried at the end. It was a really sad ending. If an episode makes me cry, that means ''it'' was '''really''' good. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:31, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I was just left in shock. What a way to die...and to do it knowingly while saving a civilian ship... [[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 07:46, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:You weren't the only one, Shane. You weren't the only one. Note to Self: When an episode summary says "we'll learn more about a character in this episode," prepare for mourning. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:42, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::I love Kat, I also shed a tear. :'( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 12:14, 9 December 2006 (CST)

== Tether? ==

Why didn't Galactica just tether the Raptors to their ships? Or use the magnetic clamps that Raptors have to literally attach to the ships? They wouldn't lose any ships, it would save time, and be safer all at the same time. - [[User:Linaf|Linaf]] 09:21, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Jumping is precise, but not that precise. We don't know if a Jump between tethered ships, if they didn't occur simultaneously, would be a fatal move, or do nothing. In any case, the intense heat and buffeting in the cloud would likely make a tether snap or melt and be worthless. Magnetic clamping might have been possible given that Vipers that perform combat landings hold themselves fast within Galactica. However, performing a Jump while ''outside'' of another ship (which is also Jumping) is probably a Bad Idea. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:06, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Likely for the same reason Galactica has to close flight pods: Each ship's ftl drive is only capable of allowing it to jump, dragging a raptor along likely is no more possible the for galactica to jump with deployed flight pods. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 21:07, 9 December 2006 (CST)

I'm sorry but this part of the story still doesn't make sense to me. Why did the raptors have to be outside of the ships to give them jump coordinates? If radiation would fry the civilian ship computers why not simply park a raptor in their landing bays and let their computers do the work.--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 20:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Likely because the Raptor's sensors cant operate from inside a metal, radiation shielded landing bay... They werent designed for that type of use. Also, it may be very likely that many ships lack a landing bay, instead relying on airlocks to connect to other ships. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 21:07, 9 December 2006 (CST)

:It still doesn't make sense to me. Why not weld the raptor directly to the out hull of the civilian ships? If the rapter's computers are so well shielded why not just wrap the computers of the civilian ships in protective armour. Clearly the jump computers are small enough to be contained in a small rapter so the amount of material necessary to harden them couldn't be all that much

::Simple answer: it wouldn't have been very dramatic from a storytelling point of view, would it? The fact that the civilian ships relied on the Raptors and their pilots- who, clearly, are fallible- increases the tension exponentially. It hits our characters that bit harder when ships are lost, because they feel it is their fault. By giving the civilian ships the same capabilities of the Raptors, you take away the whole point of having the episode :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:18, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:: Dramatic presentations aside, many civilian ships could have carried a Raptor in their cargo hull until after the first jump. Then they could launch their Raptor and make the second jump. Colonial One, a ship actually small enough to land in Galactica's landing bay, is shown with a Raptor in it's hull during the mini-series. Colonial One also rescued Apollo's Viper when he had an emergency. [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 18:38, 10 December 2006 (CST)

==Did Kat Die?==
I know this is a stupid question but why did starbuck a picture of her in the memorial hall? Snorkel378
:Yes, she died because she received a twice-fatal dose of radiation --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:10, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Then WHy did Adama Still MAke Her CAG? WHo would make someone who is dead Be A CAG. And We never saw her die. snorkel378
:It's glaringly obvious that she died. We didn't need to see her last breath to know it. She received two fatal doses. She was dying in sickbay. Kara gave her pills if she wanted to comitt suicide, because dying from radiation poisoning is extremly ugly.
:The promotion is a honorary and morale thing. It was merely posthumous, but Apollo is still the acting CAG. Adama thought that Kat's leadership and bravery are a good example for the crew --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:19, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Kat does die; there is no way for her to survive extreme radiation poisoning. However, the show's writers do not show this to enhance the drama of the moment. (Oh, Snorkel, to make an automatic signature, place four tilde characters (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of your entry.) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:24, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::I'd say it's better that we didn't see her actual death. Death scenes ''can'' a clicé if not done right. Just showing its impact on the other character was far better and more effective IMO --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:27, 9 December 2006 (CST)

U guys know that this is a thery, we would have to ask the writer. Come on what if she is still insickbay some later episode in rehab? then waht would you guys say. OO and KAra gave Kat Skin rebuilds she even said that in the scene. So u might be alive but we should not be so quick to say she died because there is no ground proof. Snorkel378 P.S. i dont give a damn about an automatic signature
:She gave her an overdose of sleeping pills. And I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but it probably "confirms" her death --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:37, 9 December 2006 (CST)

::Yep, the podcast confirms that Kat died. Just got done listening. And Snorkel, there's no need to get ratty, we just try to help :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:41, 9 December 2006 (CST)

:While the podcast does make it explicit, the story as aired makes it clear.
:* We're told that flying after the tag turns black is lethal. Kat's turns black twice
:* Kara gives her "sleeping pills ... enough"
:* When Adama tells Kat he's promoting her, she asks him herself if he knows that she's not making it out of sick bay. He does.
:* Kat isn't present when her promotion is announced. This would only happen if not only she wasn't available at the time but she never would be. If she will recover, you wait until she can be present.
:* Finally, Starbuck posts her picture on the memory wall.
:So, the answer to the question "Why did Starbuck put her picture on the wall?" is "so the audience would know that she died".
:What makes the show so appealing to me is the quality of the writing. They take the time to tell the story through the character interaction, the emotional moments. They could have had her die on screen when she collapsed and made it explicit. But instead, they write it more powerfully. --[[User:Brons|Brons]] 11:45, 9 December 2006 (CST)

::Excellent points, Brons. Another example of writing that sets BSG above other shows. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:49, 9 December 2006 (CST)

She was A good Character, Snorkel378

:Agreed. She was one of my favourite characters :( --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:37, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Poor Kat :( *wipes away tears* --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 12:07, 9 December 2006 (CST)

No doubt, Kat's dead. All the reasons above. The wall is a memorial for those who are dead, not those who are sick. And it was even in the news a former Russian spy just got wacked (assasinated by Russia) a couple weeks ago with just a small dose of radiation. Most people don't realize how dangerous radiation is because we don't deal with it on a day-to-day basis, but just a little bit can kill you. I feel that all those pilots were getting more than a small dose, other than just Kat. There could be reprocutions for all of them in the future as their health deteriorates over time.

Kat dying in this way, they could have nixed the B side story to flesh out her story. Kat was a very compelling character and her going out, well, the whole D'Anna dying over-and-over thing and the Baltar 3-way is getting boring and tedious so they could have spent more time with the Kat story. Even thus, They still did a good job of making a dramatic finish even if the story could have used a few more details.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 13:01, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:The Baltar and Three storyline is neither boring nor tedious and had only four short scenes in this episode. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:18, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::That's all opinion. Everybody's entitled to their own. But I wanted to see more of the Kat storyline and I felt the B side D'Anna story was getting in the way.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 00:28, 10 December 2006 (CST)

What if they Findsome healing artifact do u think they would bring her back along with others? Snorkel378
:This isn't Star Trek. When people are dead they are dead. Just like in real life. Only the Cylons cheat death --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:40, 10 December 2006 (CST)

== Anti-Radiation Meds ==

Part of the summary here suggests that there were no anti-rad doses to go around for any of the pilots. I thought that at some were given to the skeleton crews of the civilian ships. Am I right on this one? [[User:Steel viper|Steel viper]] 18:38, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:RDM mentioned in the podcast that the cockpits of the civilian ships might be the most heavily shielded areas. That makes sense to save some money. So the crew could have been shielded, but not the rest of the ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:30, 10 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps this section should be titled just radiation rather than anti-radiation meds. I'm not sure why the returning rapters & pilots were subject to decontamination washing. I was under the impression the cluster had intense radiation because of so many stars so close together....not because it was filled with radioactive material. A ship inside the cluster would be exposed to intense radiation but as soon as it jumped out it would be fine. I've read the neutron bombs feed metal an intense amount of neutron s and metal objects like tanks could give off residual radiation up to two weeks after exposure. But washing wouldn't solve the problem. The 'hot' ships would have to be put aside until they cooled down.--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 20:22, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I think that they were just trying to show that there was a decontamination process without getting into the real nitty-gritty details of it all. I would have preferred that they showed a little bit more realistic portrayal of a radiation decontamination, but at the same time I understand at this point in the season, they do cut corners where they can to recoup costs encured by the season opener. All this stuff isn't free and the research, props and everything... --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 00:32, 10 December 2006 (CST)

== Fourth squadron leader ==

As we saw at the end of this episode, ''Galactica'' has four squadrons of pilots under the command of CAG. The squadron leaders were (before Kat's death, of course): Starbuck, Kat, Two Times and... Did anyone notice who was the fourth? -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:44, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Two Times was the name of the third squad leader? Could only make out the word "Times" :) You've got better eyes then I do.
::It was Ricky "Two Times" Richardson. I'm currently completely updating the List of Pilots page. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:18, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:::I saw Richardson too but missed Ricky and Two Times. Does anyone have this episode yet on iTunes?--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 01:02, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::I don't think that the camera ever pans over to where we can see the 4th leader. I got the ep on iTunes, but I have a season pass.
:::::I do too, it doesn't pan over to the first squadron, but judging by the fact that Showboat is in the fourth squadron, it has to be another Captain, maybe Stinger. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 06:47, 10 December 2006 (CST)

==Jupiter = Zeus==
I had the closed caption on and found it interesting that "Jupiter" was replaced by "Zeus". I was going to make post this as a note, but then I figured it would get shot down... because I have confidence issues. But still, this makes the debate over what the "Eye of Jupiter" is interesting (I'm leaning toward the god, not planet). Also, I got the impression from Three's line about "their gods and ours" that this is some kind of acknowledgement of Roman mythology? Or did I understand that wrong? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 08:59, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:It's not the first mention of Roman gods. We also have Mercury and Mars. The Eye of Jupiter is some kind of artifact they'll find down on the planet --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:03, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:: Maybe we're wrong, but my friends and I thought that the dialog implied that Jupiter was a separate entity from Zeus. Was it ever stated that the Lord of Kobol Hera was like the Greek Goddess, wife of Zeus and all that? It sounds like Hera isn't married to Zeus, but is married to another god named Jupiter.

:: Personally, I suspect that what happened is that they named the artifact (or whatever it is) the Eye of Jupiter, and then someone realized that was a Roman name, so now they've decided to make the pantheon diverge more from the Greeks. Perhaps Mercury and Mars are also Lords of Kobol. Have Ares and Hermes ever been mentioned? [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 12:13, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:Ares has been mentioned in the webisodes. I think that the names can just be used interchangably and that they aren't seperate entities at all. For example they mentioned Hera and Jupiter in the same sentence, even referring to their relationship I think. That points strongly towards the names meaning the same. A couple of thousands of years have passed, so it makes some sense that the mythology has been adapted --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:38, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:: Nevermind. I remembered that Selloi did say that Hera was wife to Zeus. Unless Hera had two husbands, Jupiter must be an alternate name for Zeus. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 19:20, 10 December 2006 (CST)

== Hot Dog's name ==

Great episode. Sorry to see Kat go. Anyway, I noticed that Hot Dog's name was spelled as Brendan Costanza with one "N", not as Constanza. I believe it has always been spelled as Constanza but I think it was spelled as Costanza in one previous episode. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 10:13, 10 December 2006 (CST)

== Hybrid's Quote ==

Anyone got down what the Hybrid told Gaius? Figured it'd look good in the quote section... --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 14:27, 10 December 2006 (CST)

==Carol-Anne?==

Did Bill Adama refer to his wife as Carol-Anne in the sickbay scene? That would clear things up immeasurably with regard to [[Caroline Adama|Caroline]] and [[Anne Adama]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:44, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:I thought the same thing, but he has such a gruff voice it's hard to be sure. Maybe someone will know what the subtitles said? --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 10:36, 11 December 2006 (CST)

==Three killing herself softly==
I'm having a tough time believing that no one is noticing that D'Anna is having herself killed, even if the centurion is wiping it's logs. At the very least, she must have some accomplices helping her in the resurrection chamber.[[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 18:54, 10 December 2006 (CST)

== Slip? ==
I removed the following from the Analysis:
* One of D'Anna's sketches in particular appears to depict the profile of a mustached and bearded male with long hair—a possible reference to Baltar; later in the episode after Baltar communes with the hybrid, D'Anna says "Could there be a connection between their gods and ours?" where "their" refers to the polytheistic human pantheon and "ours," the Cylon single god, a possible slip on her part indicating that she believes Baltar to be a Cylon.
** It is possible that Baltar has accepted the Cylon religion, and so D'Anna no longer counts him as following human beliefs.

Feel free to put it back if you can figure out how to get it into a single bullet point. Part of the reason I pulled it was I interpreted the "ours" to refer to the Cylon (collectively) god and their to be the Colonials... regardless of who was standing there. It's more of an us vs them thing, in general, but I don't think she slipped or is implying anything from that necessarily, other than maybe an increased closeness that he MAY be considered as being on the side of "us". But mostly, let's just keep these things free of nested comments. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:13, 11 December 2006 (CST)

That's actually why I described it as a "possible slip," though I think it's considerably less likely tha Baltar would have accepted the Cylon religion with no evidential plot nods or development in that direction. We do, on the other hand, have Baltar asking D'Anna if he's one of the final five in this episode, making it an issue "at-hand" and her pronoun usage potentially premonitory (it's either that, or a fantastic red herring). I think it's thus at least a remotely tenable possibility worth sharing in the Wiki's analysis as educated speculation. --[[User:Mattpeckham|Mattpeckham]] 10:27, 11 December 2006 (CST)

== Boxey? ==

Near the end of the episode, when Kara goes to put Kat's picture on the wall, did anyone else notice the "MISSING" poster? I swear Boxey was in the picture on it. A sly in-joke?--[[User:Kross|Kross]] 09:54, 11 December 2006 (CST)
:I'll check when I get home. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 10:02, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Colonial shuttle

2006-12-01T19:05:56Z

Pearse: rdm appearences

:''For the [[Re-imagined Series]] counterpart, see [[Atmospheric shuttle]].''

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| image= colonialshuttle.jpg
| title= Colonial Shuttle
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= No
| role= Twin-engined cargo craft
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The '''Colonial Shuttle''' is a large, twin-engined cargo craft. The shuttle is unarmed, but is capable of carrying a [[landram]] (or [[snowram]]) and cargo in addition to a crew compliment.

Shuttles are equipped with a loading ramp that allows for rapid deployment of the stowed vehicle ([[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part I (TOS)|The Gun on Ice Planet Zero]]). Shuttles can also be used for deploying parachute troops, dropping out of the shuttle from a special chamber ([[The Living Legend, Part II]]).

In the hours after the [[Cylon]] attack on the Colonies, shuttles of this type ferried survivors from ships in the [[The Fleet (TOS)|new civilian fleet]] to [[Galactica (TOS)|''Galactica'']] for medical treatment ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

While the cockpit has seating for two pilots, the rear compartment has ample room for large numbers of civilian passengers.

==Colonial Shuttles in the Reimagined series==
A '''Colonial Shuttle''' is seen at the start of the [[Miniseries]] as it ferries the [[Colonial Fleet]]'s [[Armistice Officer]] from [[Picon Fleet Headquarters]] to [[Armistice Station]].
[[Image:Shuttletos.jpg|right|thumb|The Original Series shuttle as seen in the opening scene of the RDM [[Miniseries]].]]
Another shuttle of this type is seen in the [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] exhibition in the [[Miniseries]], indicating that shuttles of this type may have once been used on ''Galactica'' herself.

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Talk:Colonial shuttle/Archive 1

2006-12-01T19:00:33Z

Pearse:

This particular shuttle model(as opposed to the [[Atmospheric shuttle]]) has appeared in the Re-imagined series at least twice, shouldn't a reference(which was in the article a few edits ago) be on this page, as in the [[landram]] page? {{unsigned|Pearse}}

:A note should cite where we saw this old shuttle in RDM, yes. I think it's found in Galactica's museum in the miniseries. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:54, 1 December 2006 (CST)

::Yes, and at the very beginning of the miniseries at the armistice station. I'll just put back what was removed.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 13:00, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Talk:Colonial shuttle/Archive 1

2006-12-01T17:31:43Z

Pearse:

Atmospheric shuttle

2006-12-01T17:31:19Z

Pearse: removed incorrect image

:''For the [[Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)]].''

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| race= Colonial
| type= Military/Civilian
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown
| role= Short range [[FTL]] passenger transport between ships/planet surface
}}

'''Atmospheric shuttles''' are [[FTL|Jump]]-capable vessels whose primary role is ferrying passengers to and from the different vessels within [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] or to a planet's surface.

Atmospheric shuttles appear on both military and civilian vessels. A shuttle is seen in the [[landing bay]] of battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Miniseries]]) and on the hangar deck of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

An atmospheric shuttle ferries [[Laura Roslin faction|a group seeking the whereabouts of Earth]] to the [[Galleon Meadow]] on [[Kobol]] ([[Home, Part I]]), and docks to ''Galactica'' in "[[Act of Contrition]]." A shuttle is also seen at rest on the surface of [[New Caprica]] during its colonization.

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Talk:Colonial shuttle/Archive 1

2006-12-01T17:30:12Z

Pearse:

This particular shuttle model(as opposed to the [[Atmospheric Shuttle]]) has appeared in the Re-imagined series at least twice, shouldn't a reference(which was in the article a few edits ago) be on this page, as in the [[landram]] page?

Colonial Fleet (TRS)/old

2006-11-30T00:29:51Z

Pearse: /* Ships of the Colonial Fleet */

:''This article discusses the military defense ships of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] prior to their destruction. For information on the civilian ships that comprise the remains of humanity, see [[The Fleet (RDM)]]. For information on the Colonial military forces of the [[Original Series]], see [[Colonial Fleet (TOS)]] and the article, [[Colonial Warrior]].''

The '''Colonial Fleet''' is the primary armed service branch under the jurisdiction of the [[Ministry of Defense]] in the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] prior to the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon's]] [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|genocidal attack on the Colonies]].

The Colonial Fleet operates in tandem with another branch of the armed services, the [[Colonial Marine Corps]]. The Colonial Fleet also has a Reserve branch, of which [[Lee Adama]] is a member ([[Final Cut]]), as well as what appears to be a government-operated military academy<ref>
The military academy was probably similar to [[Wikipedia:West Point|West Point]] or the [[Wikipedia:The Citadel|Citadel]].</ref>. Many characters, including [[Saul Tigh]], [[Kara Thrace]], and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] attended (or claimed to have attended) this academy.

The Colonial Fleet is based at [[Picon Fleet Headquarters]]. After the Headquarters' destruction during the [[Cylon Holocaust]], Fleet command transfers to Admiral [[Nagala]] aboard battlestar ''[[Atlantia]]''. Other identified Fleet installations include the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], [[Ragnar Anchorage]], and [[Armistice Station]].

==Fleet Status==
At the time of the Cylon holocaust, the Colonial Fleet includes approximately 120 battlestars,<ref>In the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] tells Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] when she's released from the brig, "We lost 30 battlestars in the opening attack." She responds, "That's a quarter of the fleet." This establishes that there were approximately 120 active battlestars in the Colonial Fleet at the time of the attack.</ref>, thousands of smaller vessels<ref>The A to Z of Battlestar Galactica, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 51.</ref> numerous squadrons of [[Viper Mark VII|Vipers]] and [[Raptor]]s assigned to each, as well as other support ships.<ref>According to Admiral [[Helena Cain]], two unnamed battlestars and three other ships (type unknown, but presumed military vessels) were destroyed in the [[Fall of the Scorpian Fleet Shipyards]] in the episode, "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]." This establishes the existence of non-battlestar support ships that likely would be assigned to a [[Battlestar Group]]. The support ships' roles are presumed to be similar to those in an [[Wikipedia:aircraft carrier battle group|aircraft carrier battle group]].</ref>

The Colonial Fleet also included modified [[Space Park]] vessels (although the single Space Park liner shown in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> [[The Fleet (RDM)|civilian Fleet]] is very likely a civilian liner).<ref>From the official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ships/ships/ SciFi Channel Battlestar Galactica web site]. Some information on the official site has conflicted with aired content, so readers are warned that inconsistencies can occur.</ref>

The Colonial Fleet was regarded by the Cylons to be a decisively superior force in a direct assault between it and the Cylon fleet. Therefore, the Cylons returned to a variation of their [[Cylon War]] [[Cylon Tactics|tactics]] by undermining the Colonial Fleet's [[CNP]] to attack ships equipped with the software from within ([[Downloaded]]).

Battlestars mentioned destroyed in the Cylon attack include the ''[[Triton]]'', ''[[Solaria]]'', ''[[Columbia]]'', and ''[[Atlantia]]'' (Admiral [[Nagala]]'s flagship). On Nagala's death, Commander [[William Adama]] of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' assumes command of the remains of the Colonial Fleet, ordering them to regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] for counterattack. Unfortunately, [[Pegasus (RDM)|virtually]] all other capital ships of the Colonial Fleet are destroyed, leaving Commander Adama (after consultation with new President [[Laura Roslin]]) to choose retreat from the Cylons and the destroyed Colonies to save all that was left of humanity, approximately 50,000 people.

Approximately a year after the Cylon destruction of the Twelve Colonies, the remnants of humanity colonize the world of [[New Caprica]] on orders from new President [[Gaius Baltar]]. The two surviving battlestars of the Colonial Fleet (both with skeleton crews) orbit the planet and monitor for Cylon activity. A year after colonization, however, a massive Cylon fleet of dozens of basestars find the small colony, and ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' retreat to safety, leaving most of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|civilian fleet]] under Cylon occupation ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

In the [[Battle of New Caprica]] four months later, ''Galactica'' is severely damaged before escaping, while ''Pegasus'' is destroyed after ramming a [[basestar]] in a bid to buy ''Galactica'' time to escape, [[Exodus, Part II|leaving]] ''Galactica'' the only ship that remains of the Colonial Fleet.

==Limits of Authority==
The Colonial Fleet is aware that they are a military force, not a police force. Commander [[William Adama]] warns new President [[Laura Roslin]] that mixing the two roles can turn the military against its own citizens. Acting commander [[Saul Tigh]] ignores this principle when attempting to stop an supply boycott in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|civilian Fleet]], leading to the deaths of four civilians ([[Resistance]]).

The use of biological weapons is prohibited in the Twelve Colonies. The Colonial Fleet authority must gain presidential authorization for the use of such weapons ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).

==Ships of the Colonial Fleet==
* [[Galactica type battlestar]]
* [[Mercury class battlestar]]
* [[Valkyrie|Valkyrie type battlestar]]
* [[Raptor]]
* [[Viper Mark II]]
* [[Viper Mark VII]]
* [[Blackbird]]
* [[Space Park]]
* [[Stealth Star]]

==See also==
* [[Military Ranks (RDM)|Ranks]] of the Colonial Fleet
* [[Uniforms (RDM)|Uniforms]] of the Colonial Fleet
*[[List of terms (RDM)|List of terms in the Re-imagined Series]]

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Rycon

2006-11-28T00:31:33Z

Pearse: video game note

Though not specifically seen on screen, the Colonial [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] '''''Rycon''''' is referred to as [[Kronus|Commander Kronus]]'s command ([[Take the Celestra]]).

''Rycon'' is destroyed at the battle of the [[Battle of the Cosmara Archipelago (TOS)|Cosmara Archipelago]].

==Notes==
This ship was also mentioned in the [[Galactica (Video Game)|Battlestar Galactica video game]], which follows a seperate continuity to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original]] or [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Reimagined]] series.

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Battlestar Group

2006-11-27T20:15:15Z

Pearse:

:''"BSG" is an acronym for "Battlestar Group" and is also an acronym for the television series, ''Battlestar Galactica.'' See [[Battlestar Galactica]] for links to the series, the ships, and other general information about the series.''

'''Battlestar groups''' are seen by [[Ronald D. Moore]] as analogous to a modern-day [[Wikipedia:Carrier battle group|aircraft carrier battle group]], comprising at least one battlestar, plus a number of support vessels.<ref>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/#a000015 January 27, 2005 blog post by RDM]</ref>
Given the number of available battlestars at the outbreak of hostilities with the [[Cylon attack]], it is possible that a battlestar group may have comprised a number (3-4) battlestars operating as a single unit, supported by additional Colonial vessels.

==Known Battlestar Groups==
The following battlestar groups are known to have existed before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]; their continued existence as functional entities is dubious:

*BSG 41: Includes the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''.
*BSG 62: Led by [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', under Admiral [[Helena Cain]].
*BSG 75: Led by [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', under Commander [[William Adama]].

==See Also==
*[[List of terms (RDM)|List of terms in the Re-imagined Series]]

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Talk:Basestar (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-11-26T21:36:25Z

Pearse: size

I just registered 5 minutes ago, so be gentle...
Is there any reason why the references to BattleStar's and Raiders are neither capitalized, or links?

: Hi! Welcome to the Wiki -- I hope you have a blast here! :-) Anyway, to address your question, Battlestar can be spelled one of two ways ("Battlestar" or "battlestar"). ("BattleStar" is an incorrect spelling, by the way.) As for raiders, you can capitalize them or not; it's similar to writing the "stealth fighter" or "naval carrier" -- you can choose whether or not to capitalize the first letters of each word. As for the links, by default the first letter of any article is capitalized. Why? It's just how the software we use works. :-) Hope that answers your question! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:54, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I noticed that Kuralyov had a number of Talk entries regarding basestars. Was he just tweaking the language?

:Just redirects from the various names used to describe Basestars, so any newcomer will be better able to find it via search. [[User:68.9.113.183|68.9.113.183]] 22:23, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)
::Whoops, I was logged out for some reason when I posted that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:24, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Corrected minor spelling mistake - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 18 February, 2006

I'm not sure if the new bulleted list works or not. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:39, 22 March 2006 (CST)

: Each bulleted segment refers to a specific instance of an encounter between depicted Colonial forces and (a) Cylon basestar(s). The section title of "Encounters With the Colonial Fleet", and the way that the material was structured when I initiated the edit, implied that this was a list of some kind, at least a loosely associated one. The material that was there was also grammatically sloppy, overly detailed in some areas, and vague in others. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:47, 22 March 2006 (CST)

::You did a good job re-editing it, I'm just "not sure" it's best to keep it as a bulleted list, I don't know if this would be "aesthetically pleasing" or whatever. Point is I'm not sure; I dunno, just bringing up the point; whatever you guys decide I'm fine with; wouldn't be a problem if it stays the way Hawke left it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:17, 23 March 2006 (CST)

== TOS Basestar ==

Can someone please add a some information about the original basestar.

: See the first line of the article, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

== Image placement ==

So, rather than a revert war: I had shifted one of the images on this page to the left for balance. That's the scheme that's used on many character pages and I think it looks best. However, Bane Grievver seems to disagree but reverted without comment, so I'm soliciting one here. Any particular reason, Bane, or just because that's how it was before? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:30, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:I liked it your way, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I just made it what I'd imagine your way was in ignorance of the previous revert issue. I also added another image on the right, so hopefully that will remove any objection. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:01, 31 March 2006 (CST)

== 792? ==

Maybe I'm being dense, but how do you count the number of launch slots with such certainty? I could understand a Zoic source, I suppose, but just counting leaves me less sure. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:03, 31 March 2006 (CST)

==Images linked to in article==
As the wiki doesnt count the images linked in this article to be counted as being used I have thumbed them here so that they will not be deleted.
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<br/>--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:50, 3 April 2006 (CDT)
:Placed images in new gallery feature so removed from Talk page --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 08:39, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

==Size==
Do Basestars really 'dwarf' Battlestars like the Pegasus and Galactica? Personally I think that they do, thats just the feel I get for them, but the truth is that I can't find any really good comparisons of a Battlestar and Basestar close togther. Theres a scene from Ressurectin Ship Pt. 2 where Apollo is drifting in space and you can see a Basestar and the two Battlestars, but the perspective is such that you can't really tell the size of them. Are theyre any concrete numbers on Basestar size, or at least some good comparisons?[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 22:32, 11 June 2006 (CDT)

When Pegasus rams one in the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Pegasus actually appears noticeably larger in comparison, or at least in bulk. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:32, 25 November 2006 (CST) [[Image:Pegaus_Ram.jpg|Pegaus_Ram.jpg]]

In looking at the above image, just how is it that basestars "dwarf" battlestars as a whole (Galactica maybe, but not Pegasus)? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 14:03, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:I think the fact that there's debate should be enough to remove the word "dwarf", at least for the meantime. If the difference in size were that stark there'd be no debate.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 15:36, 26 November 2006 (CST)

==Heavy Raiders?==
Do we have proof that Basestars field Heavy Raiders? I don't really recall any Basestars launching Heavy Raiders. If I recall correctly, every time we've seen Heavy Raiders, they've been self powered. And as for Scattered, that Heavy Raider wasn't seen launching from the Basestar, and thusly could have come in under its own power. I'd suggest that until we see Heavy Raiders launching from Basestars, we don't take an assumption as fact. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:04, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Heavy Raiders, however, have been seen flying next to Basestars deep in space. I personally would assume that the Heavy Raider was launched from the Basestar itself rather than accompanied it all the way from the Cylon Homeworld --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:20, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::And, I think it's a good assumption, but I'm saying that we shouldn't take it as fact. I added a small note to the page saying Heavy Raiders are likely. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:24, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Actually, we do know they dock in Basestars. In KLGII, when Boomer and Racetrack land inside the Basestar Hangar, some of the Landing Bays neighbouring the one they dock on have Heavy Raiders in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:12, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

==Numbers==
I'm not sure, but did we ever get any comments on the size of the Cylon Fleet? Wasn't there a comment in a podcast or something, I think I recall it, but I am unsure. If anyone knows if they've mentioned numbers anywhere, I think it would be great for the article, since we can keep a "kill" count, or something. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:22, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

The exact number of Basestars is unknown, but I would place a guess of there being at '''least''' 50 of them. If the Cylons did decide the Colonial Fleet was superior to theirs, it might suggest there were at the least not enough Basestars to match the approx 120 Battlestars [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:24, 25 November 2006 (CST)

==Article Name==
Hey, we all know that the terms "Baseship" and "Basestar" are basically interchangeable, but I've noticed that in all the new season, everytime we hear the Cylons refer to their ships they call them "Baseships" and they've never called it "Basestar". Maybe, considering the actual creators use that term more, we should change the main article name to Baseship? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:14, 12 November 2006 (CST)
*For that matter, how many times have the colonials called it a "basestar"? If I recall, they haven't used it so much. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:The Cylons prefer "baseship," but we hear either from the Colonial's side. I don't think a move is particularly useful, especially when there are redirects for the same term, no matter what series. "Basestar" also works because of its RDM ship's star shape. As this is also a homage to TOS, best to leave it be. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:36, 12 November 2006 (CST)
::Well I was just thinking, maybe the article should have the "main name" that is used by it's creators. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:27, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:::Its called a basestar because thats its original series name. Everyone knows its a basestar but we also know what the Cylons mean when they refer to a a baseship. Keep the name basestar imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:24, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::::True, but I found it odd that the only name the Cylons ever use is "Baseship", even if for us it's the same thing, the fact that they've never used the term "Basestar" made me wonder if perhaps these ships are mainly referred to as "Baseship", while "basestar" is a nickname also commonly associated, though not the actual name of the ship class. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:::::In the most recent podcasts RDM has definitely favored baseship over basestar. He seems to use them interchangably though, and baseship is a bit easier to say. I can't testify to the use of the word in-show, though a quick search of the episode transcripts could verify its use. Even with its prevalent "baseship" usage, "basestar"'s appeal lies in the consistency, whereas baseship is the word they're using right now. It might at least be worth a note in the article about the consistent usage of the newer term. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:40, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:It should be noted that, even in the original series, "baseship" and "basestar" were also used interchangably. The Colonials even use the term "Cylon battlestar" in one episode, as I recall, so nothing is really served by upsetting the status quo, since all the redirects are in place already. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:46, 13 November 2006 (CST)

=="Encounters With Colonial Fleet"==
Should we change the name of this section to "Appearances" since now that Baltar is over there we have a lot more on the Baseships without it necessarily being an encounter with the Colonial fleet. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:27, 16 November 2006 (CST)

Celestra (RDM)

2006-11-26T19:11:13Z

Pearse:

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| image= Celestra.JPG
| title= Celestra
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| ftl= Yes
| role= Civilian scientific research ship
}}

The '''''Celestra''''' was listed on vote tally boards in [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]], but has otherwise never been mentioned or seen. The ''[[Striker]]'', however, appears to be of the same configuration as the original series ''[[Celestra (TOS)|Celestra]].''

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References in the Re-imagined Series

2006-11-26T18:55:30Z

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== [[Miniseries]] ==

=== References to [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the original Battlestar Galactica series]] ===
[[Image:Bsgmuseumlight4xn1.JPG|thumb|right|Galactica Museum ([[Miniseries]])]]
*The Cylon design the [[Armistice Officer]] is looking at in the beginning, and the [[Cylon Centurion]] in the ''Galactica'''s museum, are from the original show.
*A model of the original series' [[Cylon Basestar]] is also in the ''Galactica'''s museum.
*A mock-up, or possibly a servicable [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|original series shuttle]] is another craft seen in ''Galactica'''s museum. Another of these shuttles is used by the Officer when docking at Armistice Station.
*A full-scale mock-up of an original series [[Raider (TOS)|Cylon Raider]] is visible in the ''Galactica'' museum. It is hanging from the ceiling for the flight pod.
*The [[Viper (TOS)|Original Series Viper]] appears in the museum as well.
*Finally, a [[Landram]] vehicle is seen in ''Galactica'''s museum.
*The theme played during the current affairs programme used to introduce Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] is that of the original series fanfare. The fanfare is again heard during the decommissioning Viper flyby.
*[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] tells [[Number Six]] that "the last time anyone saw a Cylon ''[i.e., the original series]'', they looked like walking chrome toasters."
*Baltar tells Number Six that "treason gets the death penalty;" in the original series, a point was made of the death penalty being abolished, even for treason.
[[Image:Cylonsword Mini.jpg|thumb|right|Cylon Centurion sword on Commander Adama's desk]]
* A sword carried by the Centurions in the original series is one of the weapons in Commander Adama's collection. It is possible the sword could be a war trophy picked up by Adama when the Galactica is boarded by the Cylons at the end of the war ([[Valley of Darkness]] deleted scene).
*In the first encounter between the Colonial Vipers and the [[Cylon Raiders]], one of the pilots says that during the first war, Raiders looked like flying wings (the original series' Raider design).
*One of the ''Galactica'''s pilots who is killed by the Cylons is called [["Jolly" Anders|Jolly]], the name of a ''Galactica'' pilot from the original series.
*Roslin makes a point of calling [[Lee Adama|Lee]] "[[Captain Apollo]]," saying "it has a nice ring to it."
*At the end of the Miniseries, [[Sharon Valerii]] says "[[By your command|by your command]]," the standard response of the original series' Cylons to the [[Imperious Leader]].

=== Other References ===
[[Image:SerenityBSGMini.JPG|thumb|right|A ''[[wikipedia:Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]]''-class transport in the skies above Caprica City before the Cylon attack.]]
====References not specific to the Miniseries====
*[[Number Six]]'s name is a reference to the character of the same name from ''[[wikipedia:The Prisoner|The Prisoner]]''.
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] is based on [[imdb:nm0000018|Kirk Douglas]]'s alcoholic XO character in ''[[wikipedia:In Harm's Way|In Harm's Way]]'', whose wife cheats on him.
*''[[Colonial One]]'''s design was based on [[wikipedia:Air Force One|Air Force One]], and the [[Raptor]]'s design was based on the [[wikipedia:AH-64 Apache|Apache]] attack helicopter.
*The Gemenon liner's ID number is "1701;" in the [[wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]] franchise, (which had many ''[[wikipedia:Star Trek: The Next Generation|The Next Generation]]'' episodes written by [[Ron D. Moore]]), several models of ''USS Enterprise''s have registry numbers beginning with "NCC-1701."
*The gun used by Helo, Boomer, and other pilots is a homage to the guns used in the movie ''[[wikipedia:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]]'' (which also starred [[Edward James Olmos]]).
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|''Star Trek'''s ''USS Enterprise'' makes a cameo appearance in the final Fleet shot of Miniseries.]]

====References limited to the Miniseries====
*''Serenity'', the ship from the show ''[[wikipedia:Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]]'', can be seen through the window above [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s head at the opening to the scene she learns of her cancer diagnosis. ''Firefly'' and ''Battlestar Galactica'' shared the same special-effects studio, [[Zoic]].
*[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] burning the eye out of a picture of his wife is a reference to a similar scene in ''[[wikipedia:Apocalypse Now|Apocalypse Now]]'' by [[imdb:nm0000640|Martin Sheen]]'s character.
*Roslin's [[Case Orange|swearing-in as President]] was modeled to be identical to the famous [[wikipedia:Image:Lyndon B. Johnson taking the oath of office, November 1963.jpg|photograph of Lyndon B. Johnson being sworn in as U.S. President]] aboard Air Force One after [[wikipedia:John F. Kennedy|John F. Kennedy]]'s assassination.
*The original [[MemoryAlpha:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)|USS ''Enterprise'']] makes a humorous cameo in the shot of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] immediately before the memorial service.

== [[Season One]] ==

===[[33]]===
*(Also seen elsewhere in the series)The format of the opening titles, a series of clips representing the story of the Cylon attack on the twelve colonies and the exodus of the fleet (all taken from the [[Miniseries]], followed by clips from the upcoming episode, is a homage to the ITC / Century 21 television series [[Wikipedia:Space 1999|Space 1999]], which [[Ronald D. Moore]] admits to having watched while growing up.
* (Also seen elsewhere in the series) The photograph pilots touch on entering / leaving the Ready Room is called [["Lest We Forget"]] and shows a Colonial soldier falling to his knees on witnessing the destruction of the capital of Arilon during the Cylon Attack. This is a direct homage to the pictures of NYFD personnel at Ground Zero on 9/11, while the title is drawn from the John Ford-directed film "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" starring John Wayne.
* The ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' mentioned as the birthplace of the fleet's first baby is a reference to the luxury liner [[Rising Star (TOS)|''Rising Star'' from the original series]]

===[[Bastille Day]]===
*[[Tom Zarek]] is played by [[Richard Hatch]], famous for his role as [[Captain Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]
*The title is a reference to the event that began the French Revolution, when a crowd of around 1,000 stormed the [[Wikipedia:Bastille prison|Bastille prison]] in Paris. In this case, the prison is a prison ship, and the prisoners themselves take it over.
*The ''[[Astral Queen]]'''s design is identical to the [[TOS Prison Barge|Prison Barge]] from the original series.
*The "I'm a bus driver, not a warden," comment from the [[Wilkens|Astral Queen's captain]] is a reference to Dr. McCoy's quips from "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/combined Star Trek]."
*The scene where [[Lee Adama]] holds his pistol to a kneeling [[Tom Zarek]] is a recreation of ''[[wikipedia:Dirty Harry|Dirty Harry]]'', according to [[David Eick]]'s comments in the DVD commentary. "That is the 'I know what you're thinking, punk' shot, down to the move, the lense, the distance of the camera away from the actor."

===[[Act of Contrition]]===
*[[Ron D. Moore]] states on the DVD commentary that the munition activation that kills several pilots was inspired by a similar event on the [[wikipedia:USS Forrestal (CVA-59)|USS Forrestal]] in 1967.
*Also according to the DVD commentary, the ejection sequence at the beginning of each chapter is an homage to ''[[wikipedia:The Right Stuff|The Right Stuff]]''.
*In the flashback to Zak's funeral, there are American military HMMWV (Humvees) and 2-1/2 Ton (Deuce-and-a-Half) trucks in the Colonial base.

===[[You Can't Go Home Again]]===
*This episode shares some similarity with the final ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' episode, "The Return of Starbuck," where Starbuck is stranded on a desert moon, and uses a crashed Cylon Raider to return to the ''[[Galactica]]''.
*The messy, organic feel of inside the [[Cylon Raider]] was inspired by the ''[[wikipedia:Alien (film series)|Alien]]'' series, according to [[David Eick]] during the DVD commentary.
*The "waggling" scene with [[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s viper and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s Cylon Raider is a nod to the original series; [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]] had to "waggle" their own Cylon Raider in order to convey they were friendlies, after losing their transmitter in "[[The Hand of God (TOS)|The Hand of God]]".

===[[Litmus]]===
*The name of the episode refers to a [[Wikipedia:litmus test|litmus test]], used in chemistry to determine the presence of an acid.
*Commander Adama has copies of "Reader's Digest" in his cabin.
*Number Six says, "Don't make me angry, Gaius. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." This is a possible reference to the famous catchphrase of Dr. Bruce Banner, just before turning into the [[wikipedia:The Hulk|Incredible Hulk]]: "You're making me angry, and you're not going to like me when I'm angry."

===[[Six Degrees of Separation]]===
*The name of the episode is a reference to the [[imdb:tt0108149|combined movie of the same name]], and share a similar concept - that everyone can be connected to others (in this case, Baltar, the dead scientist, and Shelly).

=== [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]] ===
*The episode was initially going to be a riff on the movie [[imdb:tt0112740|Crimson Tide]], where both [[William Adama|Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] would begin to suspect one another of being a Cylon agent, ending up in a scene where they would be pointing weapons at one another.
*The episode's name comes from the Stereophonics' song "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down". Its also the name of a [[imdb:tt0101026|Spanish language movie]] staring Antonio Banderas. The film, incidentally, was one of first NC-17-rated movies in America.

===[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]===
*A reference to the final episode of the original series, also called ''[[The Hand of God (TOS)|The Hand of God]]''; in both episodes, Adama launches the first offensive strike against Cylon bases.
*During the battle, Starbuck yells out to Lee, "You magnificent bastard!" In the movie [[imdb:tt0066206|''Patton'']], during their first battle against each other, Patton says the same to Rommel.
*[[Ronald D. Moore]] says in his podcast that [[Lee Adama]]'s flight through the tunnel is an homage to ''[[wikipedia:Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope|Star Wars]]''.

===[[Colonial Day]]===
*The name of the news show, "The Colonial Gang," is a spoof of the CNN show "The Capital Gang."
*The controversy surrounding whether [[Laura Roslin]] would shake [[Tom Zarek]]'s hand intentionally mirrored that at the signing of the [[wikipedia:Oslo Accords|Oslo Accords]] in 1993 about whether [[wikipedia:Yitzhak Rabin|Yitzhak Rabin]] would shake hands with [[wikipedia:Yasser Arafat|Yasser Arafat]].
*The bar that Lee gets into the fight at has several bottles of Jack Daniels whiskey on the shelf.
*At the end, Roslin tells Zarek that he doesn't need to worry about her kissing him, to which he replied that it's a shame, as he shaved extra close in anticipation of getting "smacked" by her. This dialogue was taken verbatim from the movie ''Patton'', with Roslin as Montgomery and Zarek as Patton.

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Kobol's Last Gleaming]]===
*In both this episode and the original series ''The Hand of God'', the Colonials track Cylon Raiders using IFF transponders.
*Both ''Kobol's Last Gleaming'' and the original series ''The Lost Planet of the Gods'' are two-part episodes where the ''Galactica'' finds Kobol.

== [[Season Two]] ==

===[[Valley of Darkness]]===
*The title is a reference to [http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2023:4;&version=9; Psalms 23:4].
*[[Cally]] says, "I have a really bad feeling about this." This line (or variants) is a cult phrase amongst Star Wars fans; it is said in every Star Wars movie, and many of the Star Wars games and books.

===[[Fragged]]===
*The term 'fragged' comes from the Vietnam War, when it was used by American soldiers to describe deliberately killing their superior officers in the field, usually by tossing a fragmentation grenade (hence, fragged) into the room or area where the superior is located. Although Baltar doesn't kill Crashdown with a grenade, he does take out his superior officer, hence the reference.

*When Colonel Tigh asks of Adama's condition as Dr. [[Cottle]] begins surgery to save the Commander's life, he tells the XO, "How should I know? I'm not a psychic. Now get the hell out of here." This is an indirect nod to the character of "Dr. McCoy" from the original "Star Trek" series.

===[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]===
*[[Cally]]'s assassination of Boomer resembles Jack Ruby's assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald (the assassin of JFK).
*The shooting of unarmed civilians by the Marines on the ''[[Gideon]]'', resulting in four deaths, was a reference to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings Kent State Shootings] from the Vietnam War era.

===[[Flight of the Phoenix]]===
*The name of the episode, and the theme of attempting to make a plane from scratch, comes from the book and two movies of the same name.

===[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]===
*The character [[Helena Cain]] and battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)]]'' are based on the [[Cain (TOS)]] and ''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]'' from the [[TOS|original series]] episode [[The Living Legend, Part I (TOS)|The Living Legend]]. The episode stops short of a full remake, however.

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]===
*Adama's code word for the assassination order is "downfall". That's both a reference to the Allied plan for a ground invasion of Japan in WWII as well as to the movie [[wikipedia:Downfall (film)|"Downfall"]] about the last days in Hitler's bunker.
*Cain's words "Terminate Adama's command. Starting with Adama" are an homage to "Apocalypse Now". [[Ronald D. Moore]] briefly toyed with the idea of having her literally say "Terminate with extrem prejudice", but quickly rejected it as too obvious.

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]===
*Vireem and Gage's beating of Tyrol and Helo with bars of soap stuffed inside socks used as slings is an obvious homage to the Stanley Kubrick film "Full Metal Jacket", in which a similar thing happens to "Pvt. Pyle" in the Marine barracks at night.

===[[Downloaded]]===
*Sharon wears a brown jacket that seems to be an homage to Warrior uniforms from the original series.
*The [[Caprica Resistance]] members led by [[Samuel Anders]] refer to [[Cylon agent|humanoid-Cylons]] as "Skin Jobs," a reference to the classic science fiction film [[Wikipedia:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]], in which [[Edward James Olmos]] also co-starred.

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]===
* The ''[[Celestra]]'' (an electronics ship from TOS) was listed on vote tally boards.

== [[Season 3|Season Three]] ==

===[[Precipice]]===
* Cavil and Ellen Tigh talking about "the twist and the swirl" is a reference to the ''[[wikipedia:Seinfeld|Seinfeld]]'' episode "[[wikipedia:The Fusilli Jerry|The Fusilli Jerry]]".
* The ride to the execution site is nearly a word-for-word homage to a scene from ''[[Wikipedia:The Great Escape|The Great Escape]]''.

===[[Exodus, Part I]]===
*Admiral Adama's claim that his crew "will find immortality as only the Gods once knew" draws on [[wikipedia:Iliad#The story of the Iliad|the choice]] given to [[wikipedia:Achilles|Achilles]] by [[wikipedia:Thetis|his mother]] in [[wikipedia:Homer|Homer]]'s [[wikipedia:Iliad|Iliad]]: fight couragously and perish in battle, or be forgotten by history.

===[[Collaborators]]===
* The Circle is the name used by the Bajoran [[MemoryAlpha:Alliance for Global Unity|Alliance for Global Unity]] in [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]] ("[[MemoryAlpha:The Homecoming|''The Homecoming'']]", "[[MemoryAlpha:The Circle|''The Circle'']]", and "[[MemoryAlpha:Siege|''The Siege'']]").

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Five-engined vessel

2006-11-24T13:25:46Z

Pearse: link change(lower case W)

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| image= Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| ftl= Yes
| role= Unknown
| length=
| width=
| height=
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The as yet unnamed '''Five-engined vessel''' makes its first appearance in the skies above [[Caprica City]] before the Cylon attack. It can be seen through the window above [[Laura Roslin|Roslin's]] head at the opening to the scene she learns of her cancer diagnosis. It is one of the ships that survived the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]] ([[Miniseries]], et al.).

[[Image:MysteryShip.jpg|thumb|left|The ''Five-engined vessel'' makes it's escape from [[New Caprica]]]]
The unnamed ship can also be clearly seen [[Jump|jumping]] away from [[New Caprica]] during the fleet's emergency jump after the Cylons discover the location of the colonials ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
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==Notes==
*The ship bears a slight resemblance to a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen warship|Hirogen Warship]] from Star Trek. While not an exact replica it is possible that the design was based from it.

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Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

2006-11-23T15:44:52Z

Pearse:

Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 <br>
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)

It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment.
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)

== Class / Type / Dimensions ==
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be — they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.

On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.

Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)

I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first — you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' — they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes — but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. — there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that it's just a smaller battlestar, fulfilling a similar role as the Mercuries and such on smaller displacement. Many realword navies are always attempting to do this. For example, before the Burke was finalized, various lightweight versions, sacrificing engines or Aegis, or other equipment, were designed. All of them tried to mimize displacement.The Treaty-era ships from the 1920-30's aren't the best examples to use here because they had an artificial limit imposed on them by the Washington and London Naval Treaties. Frequently, improved technology requires lesser manpower. The reason ships keep getting bigger historically is that they keep adding new technology, for instance, the cause of the massive destroyer size increase after WWII is mostly due to the inclusion of Weapon Alfa, guided missiles, and a huge increase in carried electronics. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::OK, let's not make too big a deal about the size. Here's a comparison of sizes of post-WWII aircraft carrier classess that I put together from wikipedia.org organized by when they were built:
CVL-48 Saipan class - 2 ships
14,500 tons

CVA-58 United States class - 1 ship
83,350 tons full, 68,000 tons standard

CV-59 Forrestal class - 4 ships
56,300 tons

CV-63 Kitty Hawk class - 3 ships
60,000 tons, 82,200 tons full load

CVN-65 Enterprise class - 1 ship
approx. 93,500 tons full load

CV-67 John F. Kennedy class - 1 ship
60728 tons light, 82655 tons full

CVN-68 Nimitz class - 9 ships
101,000 to 104,000 tons full load

CVN-78 21st Century Aircraft Carrier Project
100,000 tons

If we equate Galactica, an older ship, to the USS United States and the Valkyrie to Forrestal Class and Pegasus to a Nimitz class, then Galactica would be clearly larger than the Valkyrie and Pegasus would clearly be much larger than both. In the US Navy today, all these carriers have the exact same function, but vary in size by design and time. However, they are all aircraft carriers. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:29, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:::[[User:Hawke|Hawke]], I don't understand where you're coming from. I never said ''Valkyrie'' wasn't a battlestar. I said that if it's smaller than ''Galactica'', then it cannot be as capable. It cannot carry the same amount of fighters because its flight pods are smaller. Its guns cannot be as large, and we know thanks to ''Pegasus'' that guns like the ones ''Galactica'' carries are still effective weapons. It will not be able to absorb as much damage due to its smaller size. I'm honestly not sure what most of your post has to do with any of that.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)

I think its also worth remembering that Galactica is 60 years old, and one of the first 12 Battlestars. Therefore Valkyrie must be a newer ship, which is suggested by some of its more Pegasusish design nods. Therefore yes it can quite easily be more powerful than Galactica, simply by having more modern technology. Yes Galactica will of been refitted and such and such, but refitting can only get you so far. If Galactica was able to hold its own next to newer ships it wouldn't of been about to be decommissioned when the series started. The fact is we don't know when Pegasus and Valkeryie were built, except that both most of been built post-Galactica's. That's probably also why Galactica is looked upon so harshly by Tigh. Galactica may of been in the fleet as an old relic. An old rust bucket that should of been decommissioned years ago. --[[User:CTerry|CTerry]] 18:05, 18 November 2006 (CST)

My thought are that we could gage the scale of the Valkyrie to the Galactica and Pegasus by looking at the flightpods. The width of the "mouth" should be the same as they all support and operate the vehicles - Vipers, Raptors and shuttles. Oh and the Shadow Star, can't forget that new one. The "banner" on the deck of each flightpod could be the same dimensions for landing purposes. As for the guns, I saw the one in the "eye" of the Valkyrie, one behind it on the "body" and three on the flightpod like that of the Pegasus. Most seemed to have only one cannon, while the that's in the "eye" appeared, in the firing sequence, to have two cannon. Cannon that fired a powered missle. The Galactica and Pegasus appeared, to me, to have the same type of main gun. The placement was not the same though. I'v been also thinking of the Galactica as being like a World War 2 carrier, since it had "AA guns" but uprated for modern operation. The Pegasus was a product of more modern times and doesn't appear to have any "AA guns". Due to the guns on the Valkyrie, I'd guess that it was perhaps the most modern design. Those main guns could be a newer design then those on Pegasus, unless they are a new "caliber". In the long run, I have to agree that it appears to be smaller and serve a slightly different purpose in the BSG, maybe a battlescruiser type to the battleship type that Galactica and Pegasus play. I can't but also say that perhaps, these ships could be treated as ships-of-the-line as in the age of sail. Interesting design, pity we'll never get to see more of it, unless Zoic is kind and releases some orthos of it. Or maybe some book comes out with orthos of all the Colonial ships and craft.
[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I found some screencaps and came up with these numbers (assuming symmetry, which I thought reasonable, given other Colonial designs):
::1 x heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the head
::1 x Heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the main body, above the flight pods.
::3 x more alcoves on either side of the main body that may or may not contain heavy gun turrets; There weren't any shots close enough for me to be certain.
::1 x heavy gun turret on either side of the dorsal crest.
::2 x possible heavy gun turrets aft of the dorsal crest. The image was from too far awawy to be sure, but they look quite similar to the ones astride the crest.
::2 x heavy gun turrets on the dorsal surface of the flight-pods, one foreward and one aft.
::3 x light gun turrets in alcoves on the side of each flight-pod. There were only three in-frame in the picture I saw them in, but it also only covered the foreward part of the flight pod, so there could be more.
:Having no images of the ship's underside, there's no way to tell what armament she has there.
:As far as I could tell, all the heavy gun turrets had two barrels. The lighter gun turrets are harder to make out, but they appear to be twin-barreled emplacements as well. They are definately smaller than the heavy turrets, though.
:As for the armaments of ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'', the heavy turrets on both are indeed extremely similar in appearance. ''Both'' possess extensive flak suites of lighter, rapid-fire guns. Although I've been unable to visually identify any of the emplacements on ''Pegasus'', I've certainly seen them firing.
:The way I see it, ''Valkyrie'' is a much smaller design, fitted with commensurately smaller weaponry, meant to support the heavier ships in a BSG like the ''Mercury''-class. More of a cruiser to their battleship, than a battlecruiser.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:I kinda thought Valkyrie was a smaller battlestar, much like the Independence class light carriers of World War II or the support carriers (CVS) that the WW II era Essex class ships became. Essentially these ships were designed to undertake missions that didn't warrant the use of a big carrier. The CVL Independence, for example, was one of the first carriers deployed for night operations. Essex and her sisters were used for antisubmarine and amphibious operations. If Valkyrie were a ship of this type it would make more sense for her to be assigned a black op, since arguably she would be a somewhat less threatening presence than a full sized battlestar, and she would also be more expendable if something went wrong. I propose the term "Light Battlestar" to describe this ship. :) [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 20:44, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:I think ''Valkyrie'' is an intermediate design somewhere between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''. As far as size goes, I think its comparable in dimensions to ''Galactica'', and therefore slightly smaller than ''Pegasus''. If you use the width and length of the flight pods as a scale, then ''Valkyrie'' is very similar to the other battlestars we've seen. The perception of small size I think is due to the narrower engine pods and propulsion section in the rear. ''Galactica'' has the addtional four engines from a refit that make her rear end wider, and ''Pegasus'' had more engines to begin with. The width of the bow and the overall length of the ship is about the same for all three. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 02:41, 23 November 2006 (CST)
:It could just be Pegasus and Galactica where built for long-term combat operations and journeys where as the Valkyrie might not be designed for extended journeys, which is of course much more suitable to a covert operation. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 06:00, 23 November 2006 (CST)

== Number / Designation? ==
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:In case you still don't know, as nobody replied, yes its 41. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:59, 23 November 2006 (CST)

== Miniseries appearance? ==
[[Image:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]
I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.
Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)
[[Image:MysteryShip.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]
I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)
::I made a rough design for a page [[User:Mercifull/Five-engined vessel|here]]. What do people think? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 23 November 2006 (CST)
:::Looks good to me. I was going to point out the incorrect caption but it looks like you caught it.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 09:44, 23 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

2006-11-23T01:00:08Z

Pearse:

Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 <br>
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)

It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment.
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)

== Class / Type / Dimensions ==
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be — they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.

On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.

Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)

I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first — you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' — they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes — but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. — there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that it's just a smaller battlestar, fulfilling a similar role as the Mercuries and such on smaller displacement. Many realword navies are always attempting to do this. For example, before the Burke was finalized, various lightweight versions, sacrificing engines or Aegis, or other equipment, were designed. All of them tried to mimize displacement.The Treaty-era ships from the 1920-30's aren't the best examples to use here because they had an artificial limit imposed on them by the Washington and London Naval Treaties. Frequently, improved technology requires lesser manpower. The reason ships keep getting bigger historically is that they keep adding new technology, for instance, the cause of the massive destroyer size increase after WWII is mostly due to the inclusion of Weapon Alfa, guided missiles, and a huge increase in carried electronics. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::OK, let's not make too big a deal about the size. Here's a comparison of sizes of post-WWII aircraft carrier classess that I put together from wikipedia.org organized by when they were built:
CVL-48 Saipan class - 2 ships
14,500 tons

CVA-58 United States class - 1 ship
83,350 tons full, 68,000 tons standard

CV-59 Forrestal class - 4 ships
56,300 tons

CV-63 Kitty Hawk class - 3 ships
60,000 tons, 82,200 tons full load

CVN-65 Enterprise class - 1 ship
approx. 93,500 tons full load

CV-67 John F. Kennedy class - 1 ship
60728 tons light, 82655 tons full

CVN-68 Nimitz class - 9 ships
101,000 to 104,000 tons full load

CVN-78 21st Century Aircraft Carrier Project
100,000 tons

If we equate Galactica, an older ship, to the USS United States and the Valkyrie to Forrestal Class and Pegasus to a Nimitz class, then Galactica would be clearly larger than the Valkyrie and Pegasus would clearly be much larger than both. In the US Navy today, all these carriers have the exact same function, but vary in size by design and time. However, they are all aircraft carriers. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:29, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:::[[User:Hawke|Hawke]], I don't understand where you're coming from. I never said ''Valkyrie'' wasn't a battlestar. I said that if it's smaller than ''Galactica'', then it cannot be as capable. It cannot carry the same amount of fighters because its flight pods are smaller. Its guns cannot be as large, and we know thanks to ''Pegasus'' that guns like the ones ''Galactica'' carries are still effective weapons. It will not be able to absorb as much damage due to its smaller size. I'm honestly not sure what most of your post has to do with any of that.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)

I think its also worth remembering that Galactica is 60 years old, and one of the first 12 Battlestars. Therefore Valkyrie must be a newer ship, which is suggested by some of its more Pegasusish design nods. Therefore yes it can quite easily be more powerful than Galactica, simply by having more modern technology. Yes Galactica will of been refitted and such and such, but refitting can only get you so far. If Galactica was able to hold its own next to newer ships it wouldn't of been about to be decommissioned when the series started. The fact is we don't know when Pegasus and Valkeryie were built, except that both most of been built post-Galactica's. That's probably also why Galactica is looked upon so harshly by Tigh. Galactica may of been in the fleet as an old relic. An old rust bucket that should of been decommissioned years ago. --[[User:CTerry|CTerry]] 18:05, 18 November 2006 (CST)

My thought are that we could gage the scale of the Valkyrie to the Galactica and Pegasus by looking at the flightpods. The width of the "mouth" should be the same as they all support and operate the vehicles - Vipers, Raptors and shuttles. Oh and the Shadow Star, can't forget that new one. The "banner" on the deck of each flightpod could be the same dimensions for landing purposes. As for the guns, I saw the one in the "eye" of the Valkyrie, one behind it on the "body" and three on the flightpod like that of the Pegasus. Most seemed to have only one cannon, while the that's in the "eye" appeared, in the firing sequence, to have two cannon. Cannon that fired a powered missle. The Galactica and Pegasus appeared, to me, to have the same type of main gun. The placement was not the same though. I'v been also thinking of the Galactica as being like a World War 2 carrier, since it had "AA guns" but uprated for modern operation. The Pegasus was a product of more modern times and doesn't appear to have any "AA guns". Due to the guns on the Valkyrie, I'd guess that it was perhaps the most modern design. Those main guns could be a newer design then those on Pegasus, unless they are a new "caliber". In the long run, I have to agree that it appears to be smaller and serve a slightly different purpose in the BSG, maybe a battlescruiser type to the battleship type that Galactica and Pegasus play. I can't but also say that perhaps, these ships could be treated as ships-of-the-line as in the age of sail. Interesting design, pity we'll never get to see more of it, unless Zoic is kind and releases some orthos of it. Or maybe some book comes out with orthos of all the Colonial ships and craft.
[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I found some screencaps and came up with these numbers (assuming symmetry, which I thought reasonable, given other Colonial designs):
::1 x heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the head
::1 x Heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the main body, above the flight pods.
::3 x more alcoves on either side of the main body that may or may not contain heavy gun turrets; There weren't any shots close enough for me to be certain.
::1 x heavy gun turret on either side of the dorsal crest.
::2 x possible heavy gun turrets aft of the dorsal crest. The image was from too far awawy to be sure, but they look quite similar to the ones astride the crest.
::2 x heavy gun turrets on the dorsal surface of the flight-pods, one foreward and one aft.
::3 x light gun turrets in alcoves on the side of each flight-pod. There were only three in-frame in the picture I saw them in, but it also only covered the foreward part of the flight pod, so there could be more.
:Having no images of the ship's underside, there's no way to tell what armament she has there.
:As far as I could tell, all the heavy gun turrets had two barrels. The lighter gun turrets are harder to make out, but they appear to be twin-barreled emplacements as well. They are definately smaller than the heavy turrets, though.
:As for the armaments of ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'', the heavy turrets on both are indeed extremely similar in appearance. ''Both'' possess extensive flak suites of lighter, rapid-fire guns. Although I've been unable to visually identify any of the emplacements on ''Pegasus'', I've certainly seen them firing.
:The way I see it, ''Valkyrie'' is a much smaller design, fitted with commensurately smaller weaponry, meant to support the heavier ships in a BSG like the ''Mercury''-class. More of a cruiser to their battleship, than a battlecruiser.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:I kinda thought Valkyrie was a smaller battlestar, much like the Independence class light carriers of World War II or the support carriers (CVS) that the WW II era Essex class ships became. Essentially these ships were designed to undertake missions that didn't warrant the use of a big carrier. The CVL Independence, for example, was one of the first carriers deployed for night operations. Essex and her sisters were used for antisubmarine and amphibious operations. If Valkyrie were a ship of this type it would make more sense for her to be assigned a black op, since arguably she would be a somewhat less threatening presence than a full sized battlestar, and she would also be more expendable if something went wrong. I propose the term "Light Battlestar" to describe this ship. :) [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 20:44, 20 November 2006 (CST)

== Number / Designation? ==
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== Miniseries appearance? ==
[[Image:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery ship?]]
I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a Hirogen Warship(not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.
Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

2006-11-23T00:57:36Z

Pearse: /* Miniseries appearance? */

Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 <br>
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)

It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment.
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)

== Class / Type / Dimensions ==
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be — they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.

On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.

Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)

I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first — you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' — they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes — but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. — there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that it's just a smaller battlestar, fulfilling a similar role as the Mercuries and such on smaller displacement. Many realword navies are always attempting to do this. For example, before the Burke was finalized, various lightweight versions, sacrificing engines or Aegis, or other equipment, were designed. All of them tried to mimize displacement.The Treaty-era ships from the 1920-30's aren't the best examples to use here because they had an artificial limit imposed on them by the Washington and London Naval Treaties. Frequently, improved technology requires lesser manpower. The reason ships keep getting bigger historically is that they keep adding new technology, for instance, the cause of the massive destroyer size increase after WWII is mostly due to the inclusion of Weapon Alfa, guided missiles, and a huge increase in carried electronics. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::OK, let's not make too big a deal about the size. Here's a comparison of sizes of post-WWII aircraft carrier classess that I put together from wikipedia.org organized by when they were built:
CVL-48 Saipan class - 2 ships
14,500 tons

CVA-58 United States class - 1 ship
83,350 tons full, 68,000 tons standard

CV-59 Forrestal class - 4 ships
56,300 tons

CV-63 Kitty Hawk class - 3 ships
60,000 tons, 82,200 tons full load

CVN-65 Enterprise class - 1 ship
approx. 93,500 tons full load

CV-67 John F. Kennedy class - 1 ship
60728 tons light, 82655 tons full

CVN-68 Nimitz class - 9 ships
101,000 to 104,000 tons full load

CVN-78 21st Century Aircraft Carrier Project
100,000 tons

If we equate Galactica, an older ship, to the USS United States and the Valkyrie to Forrestal Class and Pegasus to a Nimitz class, then Galactica would be clearly larger than the Valkyrie and Pegasus would clearly be much larger than both. In the US Navy today, all these carriers have the exact same function, but vary in size by design and time. However, they are all aircraft carriers. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:29, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:::[[User:Hawke|Hawke]], I don't understand where you're coming from. I never said ''Valkyrie'' wasn't a battlestar. I said that if it's smaller than ''Galactica'', then it cannot be as capable. It cannot carry the same amount of fighters because its flight pods are smaller. Its guns cannot be as large, and we know thanks to ''Pegasus'' that guns like the ones ''Galactica'' carries are still effective weapons. It will not be able to absorb as much damage due to its smaller size. I'm honestly not sure what most of your post has to do with any of that.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)

I think its also worth remembering that Galactica is 60 years old, and one of the first 12 Battlestars. Therefore Valkyrie must be a newer ship, which is suggested by some of its more Pegasusish design nods. Therefore yes it can quite easily be more powerful than Galactica, simply by having more modern technology. Yes Galactica will of been refitted and such and such, but refitting can only get you so far. If Galactica was able to hold its own next to newer ships it wouldn't of been about to be decommissioned when the series started. The fact is we don't know when Pegasus and Valkeryie were built, except that both most of been built post-Galactica's. That's probably also why Galactica is looked upon so harshly by Tigh. Galactica may of been in the fleet as an old relic. An old rust bucket that should of been decommissioned years ago. --[[User:CTerry|CTerry]] 18:05, 18 November 2006 (CST)

My thought are that we could gage the scale of the Valkyrie to the Galactica and Pegasus by looking at the flightpods. The width of the "mouth" should be the same as they all support and operate the vehicles - Vipers, Raptors and shuttles. Oh and the Shadow Star, can't forget that new one. The "banner" on the deck of each flightpod could be the same dimensions for landing purposes. As for the guns, I saw the one in the "eye" of the Valkyrie, one behind it on the "body" and three on the flightpod like that of the Pegasus. Most seemed to have only one cannon, while the that's in the "eye" appeared, in the firing sequence, to have two cannon. Cannon that fired a powered missle. The Galactica and Pegasus appeared, to me, to have the same type of main gun. The placement was not the same though. I'v been also thinking of the Galactica as being like a World War 2 carrier, since it had "AA guns" but uprated for modern operation. The Pegasus was a product of more modern times and doesn't appear to have any "AA guns". Due to the guns on the Valkyrie, I'd guess that it was perhaps the most modern design. Those main guns could be a newer design then those on Pegasus, unless they are a new "caliber". In the long run, I have to agree that it appears to be smaller and serve a slightly different purpose in the BSG, maybe a battlescruiser type to the battleship type that Galactica and Pegasus play. I can't but also say that perhaps, these ships could be treated as ships-of-the-line as in the age of sail. Interesting design, pity we'll never get to see more of it, unless Zoic is kind and releases some orthos of it. Or maybe some book comes out with orthos of all the Colonial ships and craft.
[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I found some screencaps and came up with these numbers (assuming symmetry, which I thought reasonable, given other Colonial designs):
::1 x heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the head
::1 x Heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the main body, above the flight pods.
::3 x more alcoves on either side of the main body that may or may not contain heavy gun turrets; There weren't any shots close enough for me to be certain.
::1 x heavy gun turret on either side of the dorsal crest.
::2 x possible heavy gun turrets aft of the dorsal crest. The image was from too far awawy to be sure, but they look quite similar to the ones astride the crest.
::2 x heavy gun turrets on the dorsal surface of the flight-pods, one foreward and one aft.
::3 x light gun turrets in alcoves on the side of each flight-pod. There were only three in-frame in the picture I saw them in, but it also only covered the foreward part of the flight pod, so there could be more.
:Having no images of the ship's underside, there's no way to tell what armament she has there.
:As far as I could tell, all the heavy gun turrets had two barrels. The lighter gun turrets are harder to make out, but they appear to be twin-barreled emplacements as well. They are definately smaller than the heavy turrets, though.
:As for the armaments of ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'', the heavy turrets on both are indeed extremely similar in appearance. ''Both'' possess extensive flak suites of lighter, rapid-fire guns. Although I've been unable to visually identify any of the emplacements on ''Pegasus'', I've certainly seen them firing.
:The way I see it, ''Valkyrie'' is a much smaller design, fitted with commensurately smaller weaponry, meant to support the heavier ships in a BSG like the ''Mercury''-class. More of a cruiser to their battleship, than a battlecruiser.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:I kinda thought Valkyrie was a smaller battlestar, much like the Independence class light carriers of World War II or the support carriers (CVS) that the WW II era Essex class ships became. Essentially these ships were designed to undertake missions that didn't warrant the use of a big carrier. The CVL Independence, for example, was one of the first carriers deployed for night operations. Essex and her sisters were used for antisubmarine and amphibious operations. If Valkyrie were a ship of this type it would make more sense for her to be assigned a black op, since arguably she would be a somewhat less threatening presence than a full sized battlestar, and she would also be more expendable if something went wrong. I propose the term "Light Battlestar" to describe this ship. :) [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 20:44, 20 November 2006 (CST)

== Number / Designation? ==
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== Miniseries appearance? ==
[[Image:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery ship?]]
I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a Hirogen Warship(not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.
Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: http://employees.csbsju.edu/rsorensen/modelcitizen/trekships/misc/hirogen.jpg --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)

William Adama

2006-11-19T16:03:57Z

Pearse: /* Background */ assignment listing

:''For information on William Adama's [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Adama (TOS)]].''

{{Character Data
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|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]
|birthname= William Adama
|callsign= Husker
|nickname= The Old Man
|seen= Miniseries
|death=
|parents= [[Joseph Adama]] (father)<br/>[[Evelyn Adama]] (mother)
|siblings=
|children= [[Lee Adama]] <br/> [[Zak Adama]] †
|marital status= Divorced ([[Caroline Adama]]), remarried to [[Anne Adama]]
|role=Commanding Officer, [[Battlestar (RDM)|Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''; Supreme Commander of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|rank=Rear Admiral
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|actor=[[Edward James Olmos]]
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'''William Adama''', a veteran of the [[Cylon War]], is the commanding officer of the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'', and the highest ranking officer left in the [[Colonial Fleet]].

== Background ==
*William Adama was born H5/21290 on Caprica, the son of [[Joseph Adama]] and [[Evelyn Adama]] and raised in Qualai, a small coastal community ([[Hero]]). His father was an attorney specializing in criminal defense and civil liberties ([[Litmus]], [[Hero]]). His mother was an accountant ([[Hero]]).
*Adama served late in the [[Cylon War]] as a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot. He allegedly gained the call sign of "Husker" on account of his baritone "gravelled" voice. He proved a gifted pilot, shooting down his first [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] on his very first combat mission, for which he received a commendation.
*He racked his 1,000th deck landing while serving aboard battlestar ''[[Atlantia]]'' ([[Act of Contrition]]), when he held the rank of Lieutenant.
*In the last week in the war, Adama served on ''[[Galactica]]'' when the battlestar was boarded by Cylon forces. He recalled to his friend and fellow war veteran [[Saul Tigh]] a dangerous Cylon tactic that tried to turn the battlestar's power against itself ([[Scattered]], deleted scene).
*Following the Cylon armistice, William Adama married [[Caroline Adama]] and had two sons, [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Zak Adama|Zak]], before the pressures of Adama's career and the time he spent away from home in active service began to place a strain on their marriage, and the two eventually divorced.
*Furloughed by [[Colonial Fleet]] after the war's end, Adama found work as a deck hand on a merchant fleet civilian freighter, where he met [[Saul Tigh]], who became a long-time friend.
*Adama married a second time to [[Anne Adama]]. Anne's family had political influence with the defense subcommittee and pulled to get Adama reinstated to the [[Colonial Fleet]]. Adama himself arranged for Tigh's reinstatement a few years later.
[[Image:Youngadamafamily.jpg|thumb|left|200px|A young William Adama and his two sons.]]
*While elder son Lee Adama showed promise as a Viper pilot, younger Zak Adama did not. [[Kara Thrace]], Zak's flight instructor and lover, certified him for basic flight despite young Adama's poor flight skills. Later, Zak Adama was killed in an operational flight. Zak's death would cause a rift between he and his older son for nearly [[Act of Contrition|three years]] until Thrace admits her error to Bill Adama.
*Adama rose through the ranks of the peacetime fleet, making rank of Major on ''Atlantia'' and then Executive Officer of battlestar ''[[Columbia]]'', before becoming Commander of the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''. About a year prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], he was ordered by Admiral [[Corman]] to escort a stealth scoutship over the [[Armistice Line]]. The mission was a failure, and in an attempt to cover up, he ordered the ship and its pilot shot down. Ever since, he had felt guilt, both over shooting down his own pilot and over the possibility that his actions resulted in the holocaust. According to Tigh, this mission brought his star into the descendent, and he was given command of ''Galactica'' as a graceful way of easing into retirement.
*Adama has the rare combination of qualities that make up a good leader: insight, the ability to naturally command respect, a common touch that enables him to relate to the enlisted personnel under his command as well as his officers, intuition, intelligence, a strong belief in his own abilities, and the ability to take the advice of others. These qualities are reflected in the fact that personnel of all ranks aboard ''Galactica'' hold him in high regard, and know that he is approachable ([[Miniseries]]).
*Adama mistrusts politicians, and sometimes places too strongly a value of loyalty to those he regards as family and friends. From his uneasiness to [[Laura Roslin]]'s unexpected assumption of the Presidency, to the tolerance and patience of his friend, [[Saul Tigh]], and his stubborness to save Kara Thrace ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]), Adama shows a dogged determination that few others care to confront.
*Several notable assignments and reassignments during his 45-year career in the Colonial Fleet ([[Hero]]):
**D6/21311 - First commission: Battlestar Galactica fighter squadron
**E4/21312 - Commendation for shooting down Cylon fighter in first combat mission
**D5/21314 - Mustered out of service post-armistice
**R5/21317 - Served as Deck Hand in merchant fleet and as … (unreadable) … aboard inter-colony tramp freighters
**D1/21331 - Recommissioned to Fleet
**D5/21337 - Major: Battlestar Atlantia
**R6/21341 - Executive Officer: Battlestar Columbia
**C2/21345 - Commander: Battlestar Valkyrie
**C2/21348 - Commander: Battlestar Galactica

== Character History at a Glance ==
*At the time of the [[Miniseries]], William Adama, former CO of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', serves out his final weeks as commander of the battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''. After some 50 years of service, the historic warship is in the process of being decommissioned, and it was one of Adama's final duties to formally hand her over to the [[Colonial Ministry of Education]], which would operate the ship as a living museum and educational center commemorating the original Cylon War.
*As a retirement gift, several members of [[Galen Tyrol]]'s deck crew find and restore Adama's old [[Viper Mark II]].
*On news of a renewed Cylon attack, Adama's first thoughts are, "Dead. We're all dead" ([[Home, Part II]]). Despite this, as well as the presumed loss of his wife in Caprica City, he manages to shepherd [[The Fleet (RDM)|the last of humanity]] to safety.
[[image:Mini_Adama_Tigh_DRADIS.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] plot a course to [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in the [[Miniseries]].]]
*When [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]] Fleet Headquarters is destroyed and then Admiral [[Nagala]] is killed, he unhesitatingly takes control of the Colonial's response to the Cylon incursion and starts defining a response to the onslaught. Once President Roslin convinces Adama the futility of fighting against overwhelming odds, and with what may be the last 50,000 humans that remain anywhere, he makes the switch to the more tactical thinking that keeps the Colonial fleet at least one step ahead of their Cylon pursuers.
*From the outset, he is savvy enough to give every single survivor of the devastating attack on the Colonies a reason for hope for the future: the legend of Earth. This falsehood [[Tomb of Athena|comes back to haunt him]] as the weeks continue, as Roslin is aware of this lie to the crew and states this privately to Adama.
*Adama continues to face the problem of infiltration within the Fleet by [[Cylon agent]]s as well as [[Demand Peace|dissenting humans who protest or terrorize]] others in the Fleet. Adama continually redefines the boundaries of military and civil leadership. After some [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|serious missteps between he and President Roslin]], the two later become friends as well as influential leaders.
*[[Sharon Valerii]], a trusted [[Raptor]] pilot that served with Adama for two years, reveals herself unwittingly as a Cylon sleeper agent and shoots Adama at point blank range after a [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|critical mission near Kobol]]. Cottle [[Fragged|eventually repairs]] the damage to Adama's body, but Adama's psyche takes the larger hit while he repairs the [[Resistance|damage to the Fleet]] he and Col. Tigh have caused in arresting President Roslin, as well as the existence of a second copy of Valerii.
[[image:Home_pt1-Adama.jpg|thumb|Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] paints a model boat while talking to [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Home, Part I]]."]]
*While at first Adama takes a similar stance to Tigh in assuming a hard military posture, a conversation with [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] helps him realize that, despite the problems, the Fleet is his family, and the family must stay together. After finding the [[Tomb of Athena]] with Roslin and reuniting a [[Laura Roslin faction|factioning of the Fleet]], Adama firmly buries the hatchet between he and Roslin publicly.
*In a desperate plan, Adama trusts the second Valerii to help ward off a massive Cylon fleet. Adama ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Despite his "gut" feelings about the Cylon, he finds common ground often with her, even [[Resurrection Ship, Part I|apologizing to her]] after a distasteful incident.
*Adama stoically accepts Admiral [[Helena Cain]]'s overall command. Wary of her behavior and her crew, Adama follows his own truism: stick to what you know, until you find something better.
*Matters with Cain's unusually totalitarian command style come to a head when Cain makes several highly questionable orders that lead him to face off with her battlestar and her command in a [[Pegasus (episode)|military challenge]]. While the issue is temporarily defused, Adama is told by, of all people, President Roslin that Cain is a threat to the safety of the Fleet's citizens and must be eliminated.
*Adama avoids killing Cain after realizing that he would become the monster that the Cylons believed they were, unaware that she has plotted his demise as well.
*With Cain's fate sealed not by Adama but [[Gina]], a frail President Roslin promotes Adama to Admiral. He gives her a simple, affectionate kiss, which she returns, signifying another change in their turbulent association.
*Adama's sense of justice with Roslin holds when he confronts her about a conspiracy involving her re-election. Roslin admits the conspiracy but she is certain disaster will strike if [[Gaius Baltar]] becomes president. He agrees, but convinces Roslin that the correct course of action is to acknowledge a miscount and cover the conspiracy.
*When ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and two other ships blow up as a result of [[Gina]]'s last effort of sabotage, Adama is privately infuriated at new President Baltar's refusal to investigate, and begins to wonder if he hadn't made a mistake.

==Currently...==

*A year later, Adama commands a heavily under-staffed ''Galactica'' as the flagship of a defense fleet, consisting of all ships unable or unwilling to make planetfall on [[New Caprica]]. He now sports a thick mustache, and has apparently taken up smoking.
*Adama convinces [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to rejoin Ellen in [[New Caprica City]] after months of debate, with [[Helo]] acting as his new XO.
*Not long after Tigh leaves, a massive Cylon fleet bears down on New Caprica. After a brief discussion with Commander Lee Adama ([[The Captain's Hand|aboard ''Pegasus'']]), they order the Fleet to escape to pre-arranged Jump coordinates.
*The admiral issues the Jump order with a reminder: "We're leaving... but we'll be back."
*A couple of months after ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'' and the rest of the New Caprica Defense Fleet jump away, Adama is trying to make a rescue plan on New Caprica but hurls a Raptor model across the room in frustration ([[Occupation]]).
[[Image:Adama being carried Exodus-Pt-II.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Adama being carried by the Crew of Galactica after the [[Battle of New Caprica]] (Lower Left)]]
*Admiral Adama mends fences with [[Sharon Agathon]] over the months in orbit of New Caprica. He commissions her as a Colonial officer shortly after making contact with the [[New Caprica Resistance]] ([[Precipice]]).
*After this, Adama orders his son Lee to take over as guardian of the Fleet; Lee's orders are to continue the search for Earth, as Adama is going back to retrieve those left behind — which Lee considers a suicide mission ([[Precipice]], [[Exodus, Part I]]). Despite heavy losses, and with the last-minute assistance of Lee and the ''Pegasus'', Adama is able to successfully pull off the rescue attempt ([[Exodus, Part II]]). He is lauded by his crew and the civilians for this.
*He has recently been awarded a [[Medal of Distinction]] for his 45 years of distinctive service in the Colonial Fleet. To him this is a penance for the harm that he caused in the past, and the possibility that he was the cause of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[Hero]]).

==Additional Notes==
*[[Wikipedia:Adama|Adama]] (also known as Nazareth) is the name of a large city in Ethiopia. The name is also a variation on "[[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam]]," the first man to be created according to the Bible in the [[Wikipedia:Genesis|Book of Genesis]]. In Hebrew the word pronounced "Adama" means earth.
*Edward James Olmos has brown eyes, but he wears contacts when playing William Adama that make Adama's eyes blue. This is done so that Olmos and [[Jamie Bamber]], who is playing his son Apollo, will resemble each other more.
*Astute viewers may recall Edward James Olmos sharing the screen with realistic humanoid robots as Gaff in the classic science fiction film "Blade Runner". Olmos also shares with ''Star Trek'' star William Shatner the distinction of being one of only two actors to both command a television starship and portray a police officer in a popular 1980's cop show ("Miami Vice" for Olmos, "T.J. Hooker" for Shatner).

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Basestar (TRS)

2006-11-12T17:02:09Z

Pearse: /* Overview */

:''This article is about the basestar as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Cylon agent]]s, [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, Heavy Raiders (likely)
| img= Y
}}

==Overview==
A '''basestar''' (also referred to as a "baseship" or "Cylon battlestar") are the most prominent example of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] military presence.

Basestars dwarf a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and appear to be more technologically advanced, equipped with a superior [[FTL|jump system]] and no visible means of propulsion. Basestars operate a fleet of small fighters called [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] and are capable of deploying hundreds of these simultaneously (see Related Imagery).

Basestars possess several rooms and hallways, that are sleek but generally bland; Cylons project different environments to get around the ship more easily. Data and other functions such as analyzing photographs are handled in literal streams of water that go over a lit up computer glass surface. Cylons can [[Cylon data port|interface with the data by simply placing their hands in the basins]].

By the end of "[[Exodus, Part II]]" a total of five basestars have been confirmed destroyed by ''[[Galactica]]'' and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', or their crew.
*"[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" - 1
*"[[Resurrection Ship, Part 2]]" - 1
*"[[Exodus, Part II]]" - 3

One basestar was heavily damaged and possibly destroyed in "Resurrection Ship, Part 2", and another in "The Captain's Hand".

A further basestar self-destructed or succumbed to [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|a virus]] and was destroyed in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]".

==Command and Control==

A basestar is operated by many [[Cylon agent]]s. Up to [[Torn|all seven models]] of Cylon agents issue commands for the basestar from a central command and control center. Consensus is typically the normal procedure, although the process of deliberating and voting on decisions may cause the basestar to react more slowly than a battlestar's command and control in a [[CIC]].

A basestar's functions are managed by a humanoid Cylon incorporated into the ship, known as a [[Hybrid]]. The Hybrid, for all respects of identity and control, ''is '' the basestar. The ship is an extension of her body and she is the ship's mind. The Hybrid, despite its humanoid appearance, is not a considered a fellow Cylon agent and lacks voting power as other agents have in Cylon affairs.

==Armaments==

A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles from "turrets" mounted throughout the hubs and central axis that rotate to allow the basestar to fire in any direction<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are usually carried out only before Raider deployment. One example of a Cylon nuclear attack involved three Cylon basestars that [[The Captain's Hand|ambush]] the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. They open their attack firing several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and switching to a non-nuclear firing solution ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

A basestar's complement of Raiders is estimated as high as 792 fighters<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>, not counting fighters in repair or otherwise offline.

This tactic, along with the massive amounts of Raiders that a basestar can unleash, suggest a similarity with the ''[[Wikipedia:Arsenal ship|Arsenal ship]]'' concept to overwhelm and destroy a foe. It is probable that basestars used nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet]] (using their [[backdoor]] in the [[CNP]] to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), nor any armoring<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 57.</ref>, basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat without Raider fighter support ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
[[Image:Basestar_above_armistice-station_-_00.04.06.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar above the [[Armistice Station]]]]
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.
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[[Image:Basestarcaprica-00.56.10.jpg|thumb|right|Basestars over Caprica]]
*Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deploy nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars orbit the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guides her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. Boomer's Raptor guides by debris of destroyed Colonial units, including the shattered hulk of a battlestar ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-ragnar-02.38.56.jpg|thumb|left|Two basestars over [[Ragnar]]]]
* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escape, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-33-00.21.05.jpg|thumb|right|A basestar attacks ''Galactica''.]]
* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL jump after jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and are able to track it through each successive [[FTL|jump]]. Following the 239th jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] destroy the liner, the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th jump. The Cylons do not immediately follow, ending the pursuit.
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[[Image:Basestar_over_kobol_nuked_-_00.32.45.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar over [[Kobol]] is destroyed]]
* The Fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet Kobol is discovered by a single Raptor on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. The reconnaissance team of three Raptors is surprised by a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon transponder]] to deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is [[Arrow of Apollo|later tasked]] to the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as planned. Despite their anxiety, the Raptor infiltrates the basestar. The interior view of the basestar that Boomer and Racetrack are afforded is overwhelming – a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical components lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first aired instance in the series that Colonial forces successfully destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
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[[Image:Basestar_-_scattered_-_00.31.44.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica's'' Vipers on approach to a basestar.]]
* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL jump. This haphazard jump (due to mishandled coordinate updates) separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to her previous location to recalculate the jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.
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[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar under attack by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'']]
* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
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* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons deploy basestars in a new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews killed by carefully venting their crew compartments, and the Raptors set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advice and takes ''Pegasus'' to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors to scan the located Raptors. As the rescue Raptors discover the lost Raptors' fate, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Major Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survives [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralds a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

* The most recent appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several, approximately six or seven, basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot.

*A basestar is disabled and presumed dead after it encounters a beacon left near a nebula that marked the way to [[Earth]]. The probe apparently contained a pathogen that infects and kills Cylons of all kinds, be it Raider, Centurion, or agent ([[Torn]]).

==Continuity Note==
[[Image:Basestarinmuseum.jpg|thumb|right|A model of a [[Cylon War]]-era Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|Basestar]] on display in the defunct museum.]]
In the [[Miniseries]], ''Galactica'''s new museum displays a model of the Cylon basestar used in the [[Cylon War]]. As it happens, this design is identical to the basestars seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. However, despite the identical use of the ship design, the universe of the Re-imagined Series does not use the same weapons as that of the Original Series, so viewers are left to ponder what armed the Re-imagined incarnations of the Original Series Cylon warships. The museum also displays a deactivated [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]--again, the same design of Cylon warrior as used in the Original Series, and indicated in the episodes as the Cylons seen in the Cylon War of the Re-imagined Series continuity.
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== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Bsraidersrelease1.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease2.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease3.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsmissiles.jpg|''Basestar'' launching missiles    
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Basestar (TRS)

2006-11-12T17:00:28Z

Pearse: /* Overview */ listing of derelict from AMoS with other destroyed basestars

:''This article is about the basestar as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Cylon agent]]s, [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, Heavy Raiders (likely)
| img= Y
}}

==Overview==
A '''basestar''' (also referred to as a "baseship" or "Cylon battlestar") are the most prominent example of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] military presence.

Basestars dwarf a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and appear to be more technologically advanced, equipped with a superior [[FTL|jump system]] and no visible means of propulsion. Basestars operate a fleet of small fighters called [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] and are capable of deploying hundreds of these simultaneously (see Related Imagery).

Basestars possess several rooms and hallways, that are sleek but generally bland; Cylons project different environments to get around the ship more easily. Data and other functions such as analyzing photographs are handled in literal streams of water that go over a lit up computer glass surface. Cylons can [[Cylon data port|interface with the data by simply placing their hands in the basins]].

By the end of "[[Exodus, Part II]]" a total of five basestars have been confirmed destroyed by ''[[Galactica]]'' and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', or their crew.
*"[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" - 1
*"[[Resurrection Ship, Part 2]]" - 1
*"[[Exodus, Part II]]" - 3

One basestar was heavily damaged and possibly destroyed in "Resurrection Ship, Part 2", and another in "The Captain's Hand".

A further basestar self-destructed or succumbed to [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|a virus]] and was destroyed in [[A Measure of Salvation]].

==Command and Control==

A basestar is operated by many [[Cylon agent]]s. Up to [[Torn|all seven models]] of Cylon agents issue commands for the basestar from a central command and control center. Consensus is typically the normal procedure, although the process of deliberating and voting on decisions may cause the basestar to react more slowly than a battlestar's command and control in a [[CIC]].

A basestar's functions are managed by a humanoid Cylon incorporated into the ship, known as a [[Hybrid]]. The Hybrid, for all respects of identity and control, ''is '' the basestar. The ship is an extension of her body and she is the ship's mind. The Hybrid, despite its humanoid appearance, is not a considered a fellow Cylon agent and lacks voting power as other agents have in Cylon affairs.

==Armaments==

A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles from "turrets" mounted throughout the hubs and central axis that rotate to allow the basestar to fire in any direction<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are usually carried out only before Raider deployment. One example of a Cylon nuclear attack involved three Cylon basestars that [[The Captain's Hand|ambush]] the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. They open their attack firing several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and switching to a non-nuclear firing solution ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

A basestar's complement of Raiders is estimated as high as 792 fighters<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>, not counting fighters in repair or otherwise offline.

This tactic, along with the massive amounts of Raiders that a basestar can unleash, suggest a similarity with the ''[[Wikipedia:Arsenal ship|Arsenal ship]]'' concept to overwhelm and destroy a foe. It is probable that basestars used nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet]] (using their [[backdoor]] in the [[CNP]] to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), nor any armoring<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 57.</ref>, basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat without Raider fighter support ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
[[Image:Basestar_above_armistice-station_-_00.04.06.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar above the [[Armistice Station]]]]
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.
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[[Image:Basestarcaprica-00.56.10.jpg|thumb|right|Basestars over Caprica]]
*Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deploy nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars orbit the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guides her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. Boomer's Raptor guides by debris of destroyed Colonial units, including the shattered hulk of a battlestar ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-ragnar-02.38.56.jpg|thumb|left|Two basestars over [[Ragnar]]]]
* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escape, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-33-00.21.05.jpg|thumb|right|A basestar attacks ''Galactica''.]]
* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL jump after jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and are able to track it through each successive [[FTL|jump]]. Following the 239th jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] destroy the liner, the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th jump. The Cylons do not immediately follow, ending the pursuit.
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[[Image:Basestar_over_kobol_nuked_-_00.32.45.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar over [[Kobol]] is destroyed]]
* The Fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet Kobol is discovered by a single Raptor on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. The reconnaissance team of three Raptors is surprised by a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon transponder]] to deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is [[Arrow of Apollo|later tasked]] to the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as planned. Despite their anxiety, the Raptor infiltrates the basestar. The interior view of the basestar that Boomer and Racetrack are afforded is overwhelming – a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical components lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first aired instance in the series that Colonial forces successfully destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
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[[Image:Basestar_-_scattered_-_00.31.44.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica's'' Vipers on approach to a basestar.]]
* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL jump. This haphazard jump (due to mishandled coordinate updates) separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to her previous location to recalculate the jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.
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[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar under attack by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'']]
* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
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* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons deploy basestars in a new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews killed by carefully venting their crew compartments, and the Raptors set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advice and takes ''Pegasus'' to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors to scan the located Raptors. As the rescue Raptors discover the lost Raptors' fate, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Major Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survives [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralds a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

* The most recent appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several, approximately six or seven, basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot.

*A basestar is disabled and presumed dead after it encounters a beacon left near a nebula that marked the way to [[Earth]]. The probe apparently contained a pathogen that infects and kills Cylons of all kinds, be it Raider, Centurion, or agent ([[Torn]]).

==Continuity Note==
[[Image:Basestarinmuseum.jpg|thumb|right|A model of a [[Cylon War]]-era Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|Basestar]] on display in the defunct museum.]]
In the [[Miniseries]], ''Galactica'''s new museum displays a model of the Cylon basestar used in the [[Cylon War]]. As it happens, this design is identical to the basestars seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. However, despite the identical use of the ship design, the universe of the Re-imagined Series does not use the same weapons as that of the Original Series, so viewers are left to ponder what armed the Re-imagined incarnations of the Original Series Cylon warships. The museum also displays a deactivated [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]--again, the same design of Cylon warrior as used in the Original Series, and indicated in the episodes as the Cylons seen in the Cylon War of the Re-imagined Series continuity.
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Image:Bsraidersrelease1.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease2.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease3.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsmissiles.jpg|''Basestar'' launching missiles    
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A Measure of Salvation

2006-11-12T17:00:19Z

Pearse: /* On ''Galactica'' */

{{Episode Data
| title= A Measure of Salvation
| image= Amos.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 7
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]
| story=
| director= [[Bill Eagles]]
| production= 307
| rating=
| US airdate= November 10, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,420
| prev= [[Torn]]
| next= [[Hero]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learns how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries; the virus inspires [[Lee]] to come up with a new strategy.''

== Summary ==
=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ===
*A boarding party comprising of [[Raptor]]s and [[Viper Mark VII|Vipers]] investigate the derelict [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]].
*Aboard the derelict, [[marines]] explore the corridors, finding the [[Cylon agent|Cylons]] dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but is unsuccessful.
*Some|"skinjobs" around the control center revive and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor."
*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to ''Galactica'' when the basestar self-destructs.
*''Galactica'' quarantines the boarding party and prisoners while Dr. [[Cottle]] finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.
*Dr. Cottle's investigation identifies [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|a virus]] that can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]], [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], Lee Adama, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] would infect the others. He also mentions that [[Gaius Baltar]] provided the information on the path to [[Earth]].
*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Lee Adama suggests a plan to eliminate the entire Cylon race by executing their prisoners in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]], where the downloaded consciousnesses would infect the remaining Cylons. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide.
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Athena finds she's immune because of antibodies generated within her body by carrying her daughter, [[Hera]]. Helo tells her of the Fleet's plan, and Athena understands.
*Admiral Adama shows slight dissent about the plan, indicating regulations that forbid him to proceed without presidential order. Despite the ethical ramifications, the President authorizes the biological attack.
*''Galactica'' [[FTL|Jumps]] to a Cylon supply line, and launches Vipers and Raptors to attract the Cylon fleet. In the midst of this, Helo initiates a plan to thwart the execution, unplugging what looks like a standard power connector from an environmental control box.
*The Cylons jump into the area, with Resurrection Ship in tow. Adama orders the execution of the prisoners.
*Lee Adama leads a team to execute the prisoners, but finds that all the prisoners have been killed prior to the Resurrection Ship arriving. Adama orders a recall, and ''Galactica'' escapes without sustaining any major damage.
*Helo converses with Athena about his actions. He maintains that what he did was right, regardless of the consequences.
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Adama reports that the prisoners were suffocated due to a failure in the environmental controls. Roslin is quick to point out one or two might be responsible, but Adama closes the issue. Subsequently, the virus was most likely an accidental exposure, similar to one reported 3000 years ago. Adama points out that they're on the right track to Earth, but Roslin notes that the Cylons are the right track as well.

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===

*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.
*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.
*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.

== Questions ==

* If [[Adama]] had brought the beacon aboard, what kind of information would it have given them about the location of Earth?
* Will [[Caprica-Six]] continue to stand by and permit Baltar's mistreatment at their hands?
* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?
* Of the Cylons, which type told the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[Cylon agent]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it have been [[Athena]]?
* What kind of new start are the [[Cylon]]s planning for [[Earth]]? Just a new home planet, an attempt at human Cylon relations not tainted by the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, or something else?
* Why did an entire Cylon fleet (including a [[Resurrection Ship]]) jump to the encounter with ''Galactica''? Why was the [[Resurrection Ship]] not left behind somewhere else, as it was done in previous battles?
* Is D'anna in love with Baltar?
* Why is [[Gaeta]] so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?
* Why does [[Simon]] so quickly claim science can not provide a solution to the infection?
* How can an encephalitis virus be [[downloaded]] in a data stream?
* Why wasn't the execution squad in place and waiting with the prisoners so the plan could have been implemented in a timely manner?
* Since the plan was to execute the prisoners then jump away, why wasn't the jump drive already spun up and ready?
* The environmental controls seem to have been circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] pulling a single plug. In a combat ship aren't there cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions?
* In his discussion with [[Laura Roslin]] at the end of the episode, [[Admiral Adama]] is aware that sabotage was involved in the death of the Cylon prisoners, yet he states there will be no investigation. While he might be relieved that the plan wasn't carried out, wouldn't he be seriously concerned and want to aggressively pursue this matter?
*Why was Sharon Agathon kept in quarantine after Cottle determined that humans were immune? Whether infected or not, she couldn't have transmitted the disease to anyone else, other than Cylon agents that may still be in the fleet.
*[[Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him "D'anna". Is she, or at least does Baltar believe she is, the same number 3 that was previously masquerading in the fleet as a reporter?
*Considering that she was pulled from flight status in [[Torn|the previous episode]], what is [[Starbuck]] doing in a Viper during the brief battle? Is Galactica desperate for pilots again?

== Analysis ==

*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It was quickly noted in the episode that Sharon was immune herself because fetal cells from [[Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.
*The wider implications of such an event could have been religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explinations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.
*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".
**Apollo's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat; he could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another.
*Adama's reaction to the premature death of the prisoners is yet another example of what are simultaneously his greatest virtues and most glaring flaws - his dedication to those under his command, and his need to keep his conscience clear.
*In this episode, [[Raptors]] are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[Miniseries]], [[The Hand of God]]), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Fragged]]), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II|II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.
*Helo has been promoted to the rank of Captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.
*The genetic pool the skinjobs were created from predates the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This indicates another, non-colonial, source for the DNA.

== Notes ==
*[[Survivor count|Fleet population]] is 41,420. Barring any births, there is an unaccounted loss of at least two since "[[Torn]]".
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[wikipedia:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]]. Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium. When the camera was recovered by Apollo 12 astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.
*This is the first episode in which [[Saul Tigh]] has not appeared. Currently, the only characters to have appeared in every episode are [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]].
*Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]], however [[w:encephalitis|encephalitis]] is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is [[wikipedia:Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus|Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus]].

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. Felix Gaeta
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as Sgt. [[Mathias]]
* [[imdb:0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)

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Communication drone

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Pearse:

A '''communication drone''' extends or augments the range or clarity of [[wireless]] communication between ships. Communication drones apparently carry a combustible solid-fuel engine to propel itself.

Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] uses a communication drone to send a distress call to other Colonial civilian or military ships as her [[Raptor]], carrying refugees from [[Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]], begins to drift with little fuel remaining. The drone successfully glides away from [[Cylon]] communication jamming in the area, and Boomer's ship is found by ''[[Colonial One]]'' ([[Miniseries]]).

A communication drone accidentally ignites in ''[[Galactica]]'s'' port [[Hangar Deck|hangar deck]] where 19 pilots were celebrating [[Dwight Saunders|Flat Top]]'s 1,000th landing. The drone strikes the group, killing 13 and injuring 7 ([[Act of Contrition]]).

During the rescue of the Colonials off of [[New Caprica]], communication drones were deployed in two formations to simulate two battlestars on the Cylon's [[DRADIS]]. The Cylons diverted their ships to intercept the decoys, allowing Galactica to jump into the atmosphere and deploy Vipers ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

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