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Talk:Number Seven/Archive 1

2009-04-06T23:01:46Z

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==Daniel = Cylon God?==

Gotta put it out there...--[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 13:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:Kara's father. Obviously. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
::http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kara_Thrace%2C_father_of. "According to Ellen, Number Seven was creative, sensitive and an artist." http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Seven "Kara Thrace's father was a pianist and/or composer". Hmmm... Don't you think that if Kara found out that she was a hybrid the first thing she would do is shoot herself in the head? Not only would that be repetitive of Dualla's end, but it doesn't quite sound like a proper ending. Plus, there has to be SOMEONE who is the Cylon God. Why not Daniel? --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 13:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::It's also quite possible that Kara *is* Daniel - Daniel's genetic code was corrupted, and corruptions in genetic code can alter gender. For example, the real life genetic condition of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" will cause a foetus with male DNA to develop into essentially a female baby (although with no womb, and undescended testes). While Kara does (or did) have a womb and ovaries, and therefore it's not going to be that exact same condition, it's possible that other, similar genetic corruptions could cause this. It's also possible that Cavil/John had just the tiniest bit of remorse, and implanted what was left of Daniel's DNA into Kara's mother to develop - which may both explain her bitterness towards Kara, and her insistence that she had a special predestined purpose - either through John explaining what he was doing (unlikely), or if Kara's mother had no idea how she'd gotten pregnant (ie not having slept with any men and thus having a "miraculous" conception). Just my thoughts, anyway. [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 20:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::: If it were a real geneticist speaking, "corrupting the genetic formula" would mean rendering it nonviable. Just so you know. And her resurrection would still be unexplained if she were Cylon. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Wouldn't Simon have noticed if Kara was a Cylon during her stay at the Farm when he removed her ovaries and examined her? Putting it another way, wouldn't female Cylon ovaries be different than female human ovaries and thus prove to be inefectual for whatever Simon had planned? As for the destiny, it is possible that human Cylons from either cast (be it the 13th tribe human Cylons or the human Colonial Cylons) could have influenced Kara's life from her infancy? Imagine if it was revealed that Leoben knew Kara's parents, or has been a part of her life in one way or another since she was a child. Or if not Leoben one of the final five? It could be that yes, Daniel IS involved in Kara's destiny, but not because they are the same person, but because he manipulated her from infancy to turn her into a way to guide the Colonials to the 13th Tribe. As yourselves that question; what was there to gain in making Kara the only one who could guide the original colonies to the 13th tribe? Did Daniel (or whoever) do it in order to reveal a grander truth? Furthermore (as proof that Kara cannot be Daniel), whoever made it possible for Kara to know how to find the 13th tribe would have had to know its location himself. That means that none of the seven Colonial Cylons can be involved in that (unless Cavil is privvy to that information, which seems EXTREMELY unlikely). To answer the question of what/who Kara is, one must answer the question of where that information could have credibly originated from.--[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 21:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
== Just something I noticed ==

Just prior to Sam's surgery to remove the bullet, Kara presses him about 7 - it went like this:

Kara: The seven -- tell me -- please.

Sam: Seven...seven...seven was the...Daniel.

Kara: You're sure about the word?

Sam: Yes

Kara: Daniel

Sam: He died - Daniel died. She was seven.

Note: "she" was seven.

He was rambling, and Ellen used "he"/"him" on a number of occasions - but - it's an interesting "slip" - Daniel...Danielle?

[[User:Svdasein|Svdasein]]
:I'm afraid you're mishearing. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 08:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::No, I also noticed that - it's actually one of the reasons for the theory I wrote above. [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 11:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid you're both mishearing. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*I'm pretty sure it's "she" - there is an instance earlier in dialog where there is a slur / hissing sound, but it's not a part of the phrase "she was seven" "She" seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? This is probably orthogonal, but I wonder more an more what [[The_Music|the *experience* of being "boxed"]] is like?. [[User:Svdasein|Svdasein]]

== Asimovs Robot Stories ==

Might there be any potential linkage to Daneel from Isaac Asimovs Robots&Foundation Universe?--[[User:Nugget|Nugget]] 23:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Columbia (TRS)/Archive 1

2009-04-06T21:46:26Z

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I've noticed some speculation that this is the [[Wikipedia:lead ship|lead ship]] of the original battlestar class. Is there a source for this? Since it's still in service at a time when Galactica is supposedly the only remaining ship of its class (as per the miniseries), I find this unlikely. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:46, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:The only source I've heard, noted in the Zoic information, was that all of the original battlestars except Galactica were upgraded. Zoic's original battlestar data matches some of the mentioned destroyed battlestars from the Battlestar article as well. If that is the case, none of the other original battlestars were likely to have survived the backdoor rooting that their networked computers allowed. I can verify nothing on Columbia, and until we get some studio data, I still see all this information suspect. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:26, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::I agree. Except for length figures and other information on the space ship models themselves, Zoic's information is highly suspect. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:59, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

== Mixing Ship Data Template and TOS with RDM ==

This article looks awefully confused. The ship data template shows the RDM stuff, but a mention of the TOS is also here. The template really defines the page content when used, so, as this is a mentioned-only in both worlds, we can make two articles for each (and each with ship data template), we can delete the TOS information, or we can just delete the ship data template as we have no idea whatsoever of RDM ''Columbia'''s configuration (and likely never will). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:20, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
:Split, imo. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:20, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

== Columbia II? ==

Apparently, the tradition of calling the second ''Columbia'' "''Columbia II''" doesn't seem to exist in the Colonial Fleet... Does anyone know whether the US/UK navy do this? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:30, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
:They do not. For example, [[w:USS_Enterprise|''Enterprise'']] is just ''Enterprise'' ([[w:HMS_Enterprise|in both Navies]]). The hull number serves to uniquely identify a particular vessel, but otherwise the name is the same. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:23, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
:Right. Apparently, they don't do the A, B, C, D, or E thing a la ''Star Trek''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 13:07, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
::Well, even then it's just ''Enterprise''... the C, D, E was just incremented on the hull number. It's not like they were all, "Quick, we need to beam back to the ''Enterprise'' D", or anything. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:56, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
:::And the loss of the original one implies an improved version, possibly the first in the second generation of battlestar designs. (Damn, that flashback was fun!) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:00, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
::::A good couple good examples of replacement ship names for ships lost in combat is the US carriers Lexington, Hornet, Wasp, and Yorktown, which were all replaced by Essex-class carriers of the same name but different hull numbers. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:51, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
Should this be two seperate articles for two seperate battlestars, or is one enough?--[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 22:25, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
: There current article is able to cover the two ''Columbia''s, unless we learn a ton more about either battlestar later on. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 22:30, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

== Fan Fiction Note ==

I'm going to go ahead and remove the following:
:In fan fiction, ''Columbia'' is considered the class name of the [[Original Series]] [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestars]]. This
:is not substantiated by any [[BW:CJ|official sources]]. Battlestar Wiki does not support this or any other [[fan fiction]].
It's fanfic. It's not notable and it's not relevant. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 15:01, 8 November 2007 (CST)
:Some people kept adding that as a matter of fact. So this is more of a clarification that it just fanfic and not official in any way. I don't really mind its removal though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:04, 8 November 2007 (CST)
::Well, looking further into it, the Citation Jihad guidelines state that fanfiction information shouldn't be added to canonical articles. Those same guidelines are linked from and reiterated on the [[fan fiction]] article. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 15:12, 8 November 2007 (CST)
:::I think its function is to state that the rumor (or whatever it is) about the Columbia class is unsubstantiated, although many people (incorrectly?) believe it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:28, 8 November 2007 (CST)
::::Yeah, that's what I meant. On the face of it, it violates the policy, but the intent is more to support it by stating the rumor is false. The exception (if it is one) was made, because it's a rather common assumption. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:32, 8 November 2007 (CST)
: To be honest, it such a common misconception that it really should be noted, since people have added it in multiple times. It nearly ranks up there with the whole "12 battlestar" myth. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:59, 8 November 2007 (CST)
::I'm satisfied with the current version. Thanks for the input, guys! --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 22:36, 10 November 2007 (CST)

== Origin of Name ==

Columbia is not the most unlikely of all the names related to RDMs Version of Galactica. There are dozens of cultural references to old greek sagas like Capricorn/Caprica, Sagittarius/Sagitta, Pisces/Picon and so on, or names like Athena, Apollo, PEGASUS, and even the name of GALACTICA itself (Milky way, our Galaxy has it's name after a greek myth about a god that - while a toddler - spilled milk all around the place, gala- is a root referring to the greek word for milk). It seems rather tedious to write down the note that there possibly can't be anyone in the world of BSG who knows who Columbus was or what the name people gave to the continent he managed to "discover" is. Obviously there exists a whole family of "false friends" in Galactica-verse that sounds exactly like modern (or rather ancient greek and roman) myths but has come to exist unrelated to them. as well as a rather stunningly similar daily life dialect similar to modern american english :D It won't help visitors to state that this stuff CAN'T be related, the more so when it's only stated on very few of the pages --[[User:Nugget|Nugget]] 21:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)