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2006-11-14T20:57:21Z

Mr. Random: /* Starboard flight pod */

== Nice Work! ==

I enjoy reading about the new Galactica starship and look forward to more details as the series progresses...and to adding my own edits, too.

Keep up the good work on this page.

:On behalf of the rest of the team, thanks! This wiki has grown a lot from the work of a few hundred people and a lot of readers! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:44, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:I am here, I make the edits. There was little choice in the matter. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]], October 13, 2005

== Formatting Question ==

When formatting the "full name" of ''Galactica'' is it:

*...the ''[[Battlestar]] [[Galactica]]''
*...the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''
or
*...the [[Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''?

It seems to me that it should be the second.

:"''Galactica''" or "the battlestar ''Galactica''"; never "the ''Galactica''". Battleship and aircraft carrier are not proper nouns, so battlestar isn't either. See [[Battlestar wiki:Standards and Conventions#Ships]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:56, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

==Tallies==

FYI, I'm working on a fairly major revamp of these, using MASON and Joe's source page idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:59, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

:Why does it state that Galactica had 2 squadrons of MKVII's on board the ship at the begining of the series? This would be a big inconsistancy with what we saw in the miniseries.

:At the decommisioning ceremony we see one squadron of vipers led by Apollo doing a flyby. This squadron leaves the ship for Caprica after the ceremony and is rerouted to engage the cylons.

:When Starbuck is released from the brig she reports 20 pilots available but no vipers. Adama then orders the MKII's in the museum pressed into service.

:The squadron of MKVII's led by 'Ripper' is then destroyed by the cylon virus.

:IF there were 2 squadrons of MKVII's on the ship, where is that second squadron during all of this? It didn't launch with Ripper's squadron and it wasn't available for Starbuck and the other stranded pilots to use. (They didn't know the MKVII's were useless until after the first squadron was destroyed.)

:It's more likely that the MKVII's we see at Ragnor and later in the series are made up from homeless vipers that were carried to Ragnor with Roslin's fleet, plus a few spares put together from storage aboard Galactica.

::There are clearly twenty vipers on screen in Ripper's squadron. Galactica is then able to sortie a combined squadron of (roughly) 40 Mk. VIIs and Mk. IIs. This makes perfect sense if Galactica has two squadrons of Mk. VIIs based in its active (port) flight pod, and one squadron of Mk. IIs in the museum (starboard) flight pod.

::As for pilots, presumably the ones with ships had something better to do than be "climbing the walls down here". It's fairly typical for a military operation to have more pilots than craft in any case, so that's not an issue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:47, 4 December 2005 (EST)

Well if there was another squadron of MVII's available at the time Starbuck mentions the 20 odd pilots in the ready room, where is that second squadron? If they are sortied after Ripper's mission, they would have been destroyed by the virus. If they're in the tubes waiting for a mission, why didn't they sortie to defend the ship?

This second squadron is never seen onscreen or mentioned in dialogue in the miniseries. It's more likely it didn't exist and the later MKVII's are refugees. Those vipers are at least seen on screen once, and later in the series its mentioned that there are some pilots from other battlestars flying off Galactica. (Crashdown is described as a refugee from "Triton", for example.)

:Crashdown was a Raptor pilot; Raptors have FTL and could go to another system, but I don't think Vipers could easily escape to Ragnar that well (unless, like Apollo, they landed on a nearby Civilian ship with Jump engines then escaped aboard that, but that seems unlikely).--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:50, 7 December 2005 (EST)
::Didn't Doral say during the flyby at the museum that it was performed by the last Galactica squadron. Since this was the squadron led by Ripper, it pretty much precludes a second squadron. Also, there could have been several Mk VIIs in storage, for spares or down for repairs. Maybe there were extra Mk IIs stored in the starboard hanger. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:57, 7 December 2005 (EST)
:::It is likely that they were unservicable and awaited transfer to a dock after ''Galactica'' was officially decomissioned. Also, on the off chance that I might be right, there may have been Vipers on other ships that survived as well. (For instance, there may have been a few were stragglers from earlier engagements, or even patrols that didn't see action during the assault on the Colonies that happened upon Roslin's fleet prior to Ragnar.) Just a thought or three... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)

::::It would be informative to get an actual headcount during the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. I have the launch scene about 2/3 analyzed, and will probably be able to finish it next week, but the video quality of my recording isn't perfect. I'll let you know what I come up with, in any case. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)

::::Oh, one more thing - In the mini, Adama says "I seem to remember an entire squadron of fighters down in the starboard hangar deck yesterday". If there were two squadrons of Mk. IIs, he would've said so. Again, two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (one destroyed) and one squadron of Mk. IIs fits the on-screen evidence nicely. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:48, 8 December 2005 (EST)

::::The only problem with that is that the second squadron doesn't seem to show up until the battle at Ragnor. What was it doing all this time? If the count of MKVII's is under 20, it makes sense that the MKVII's at Ragnor were made up of a small group of spares that were put together onboard Galactica along with whatever refugees were picked up by Roslin's fleet. We know for sure that there were at least three MKVII's with that fleet that were shown onscreen.--Dallan007
:::::Didn't Starbuck's lines in that scene imply that there were no operational fighters. I believe it was something along the lines of "pilots you got, but Vipers..." I think the Mk VIIs they have were straglers the RTFF picked up before they jumped to Ragnar. These could have been on patrol or something and met up with Colonial One et al. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 00:03, 9 December 2005 (EST)
::::::Maybe the Mk. VII wing wasn't sortied before Ragnar because the systems had to be stripped of Baltar's CNP. There are far too many Mk. VIIs in the Ragnar battle to be anything less than a full wing, though. I'll have a real tally up as soon as I can. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:38, 9 December 2005 (EST)
::::::::They didn't know about the CNP weakness yet. The purging didn't happen until they were at Ragnar, after the first sortie. Remember, it was the same time as Doral was accused of being a Cylon. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:09, 9 December 2005 (EST)
:::::::::Perhaps, before the first sortie, Gaeta had the remaining Mark VIIs grounded as a precaution since he hears of the malfunctions from Dualla before the fight and makes the association with the CNP (he's bright that way). Or, yes, the Mark VIIs were gathered up in Roslin's search (most probable since Galactica should launch everything they had in sortie 1, and they would rather send Mark VII's than the museum pieces). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:10, 9 December 2005 (EST)
::::::::::The squadron ready room would seem to imply a 20-ship squadron. There are 24 seats in the ready room, 20 pilots plus a few seats for guests like Apollo. Boomer and Helo were flying with the last Mk VII squadron so it would make sense that they would be there in the mini. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 13 December 2005 (EST)

== Redundancy ==
=== Fleet Details ===

'''Designation''': warship, battlestar type, [[Galactica type battlestar|original battlestar class]] (class name unknown).

'''Deployment''': Formerly an element of the [[75th Battlestar Group]] (BSG 75)

'''Current Status''': One of [[Pegasus (RDM) |two]] remaining Colonial military units. ''Galactica'' is commanded by [[William Adama]].

=== Fleet Details Comments ===
The only piece of information in that block which is not mentioned before it is the membership is BSG 75; this was an oversight. I'll add mention of it in the paragraph before. The remainder is redundant and shockingly poor in formatting. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
:Since you've been around and not commented, Merovingian, I'll pull it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:26, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
::I was busy. It's not redundant, and I am restoring it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:46, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::What information does it contain that is not elsewhere in this article? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:55, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
::::Boxes provide quick and easy referrence. I mean, we wouldn't have a box listing ship class and armaments by that logic. It's fun, and makes it clearer. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:24, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::That's not a box. The info box made for the purpose does mention the designation and CO. The BSG 75 thing is at best a curiosity utterly unworthy of quick reference, not that I agree that randomly ordered sentence fragments are actually easier to skim. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 14:36, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Seemed pretty redundant to me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:57, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
I still want to delete this. It taunts me in my dreams ...well, not quite, but I don't like it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 22:36, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

===Turrets===
[[Image:BSG-KEW-Turret.jpg|thumb|An example of one of ''Galactica's'' large projectile weapons.]]
''Galactica's'' defenses include an array of twenty-four large turret mounted, dual-role twin-cannons, and a multitude of smaller turret mounted twin-guns located between the ''Galactica's'' "[[Frame|ribs]]", along the [[flight pod]]s. Together, these provide the ''Galactica'' with a flak field that acts as a defense perimeter against incoming hostiles ([[Miniseries]], "[[Scattered]]"). In addition, the large cannons represent ''Galactica's'' main anti-capital ship weapon, and have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar]]s ("[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]").
=== Turrets Comments ===
I don't mind the picture, though I don't think it adds much. It could be tied to the page simply as an illustration of "Armament" per the title of the larger section.
The composition of the turret armament is discussed on the page for the type. The details on the positioning are slightly incorrect, anyway. That they produce flak is obvious; that the large guns are effective against basestars could be assumed, and, if it must be mentioned, should be mentioned on the page for the type. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

:Agree. [[Galactica type battlestar]] should host details relevant to the ship class in general. [[Galactica (RDM)]] should host information only pertinent to the individual battlestar in question. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:46, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

==Battlestar Group==
See [[talk:Pegasus (RDM)#Battlestar Group|talk on Pegasus page]]

==Improvements for featured article status==
I think that we should make the following minor changes before declaring this a featured article:
*Remove "Fleet Details" section, as this merely duplicates information available in the ship infobox
*Reconsider the implementation of the "running tallies" section. My objection is mainly based on the fact that the current setup precludes the use of footnotes in this article, and is probably more information than the average user is interested in. I personally feel that we should break each tally into a separate article and link it from the appropriate summary in the equipment section.
*If, however, we decide keep the running tallies on this page, a simple retitle of the section to "Sources and Rationalle" is necessary. Also, we should seriously consider moving over to the <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tag system, although doing so may make the editing process more cumbersome (with the running tallies scattered throughout the body of the text). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 8 June 2006 (CDT)
:<strike>Item 1</strike>
:As for #2 (a or b)... I don't have a strong feeling either way. It does seem to overwhelm the bottom, and any other footnootes would get drowned out. I guess I'd lean towards them becoming subarticles (of either Galactica (RDM) or of their respective topic (Viper (RDM), Raptor, etc)), or maybe to the front of their respective topics (on the main of Viper (RDM) and Raptor). I'll defer to others on this one, though. Also... could the article stand to have perhaps one more external shot of ''Galactica''? For an article about her, she doesn't get much visibility (outside the small shot in the data box and the gallery down below). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:21, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

::I agree with SteelViper on #2: if you just move it to another article, but keep a link to the tallies section at the bottom, I have no strong feelings on such a change. (BTW, what do you mean "Rationalle"?). --->However, I have to disagree on "Fleet details": I agree that saying its "designation" and "current status" is already in the box, however, the box doesn't mention what Battlestar Group it (nor does this justify changing the box template, because only this article and Pegasus would have such info): I'm going to change it back to a compromise position and tell me what you think. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:04, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
:::On second thought, nevermind: it already says enough about BSG info in the introductory paragraph. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:06, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
::::That's the EXACT same progression I went through. "Hey, that isn't in the... oh. There it is." --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:07, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

I've tried breaking out the Raptor and Viper tallies into their own articles. Let me know what you think; it's easy to revert if people don't like it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:35, 10 June 2006 (CDT)

:I didn't see anything wrong with the breakout; I was severely dismayed by the self-argumentative tone in one section of the article (now revised). I've also made significant concision and adjustments as well as adding more links to material that should give the article more ''ooompf''. I may review this again as I'm sure more things here just didn't sit right with me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:27, 10 June 2006 (CDT)

What's left todo on this before "FA" status? Also... any thoughts on my picture thought above? (Another external shot of "Big G" somewhere else on this page?) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:32, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:External shots should be of ''Galactica'' doing something recognizably "Galactica-ish", to contrast with the beauty shots in [[Galactica type battlestar]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:38, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:Agreed. I've also gone through the article again and given the language more polish and super-conventionized it. I'm happy with the text, but fresh photos of the Big G moving about would be neat. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:54, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

::Looking through the "screenshots" category, I wasn't impressed by the selection. I hit Galacticastation for some examples and looked at the mini since I figured they'd feature her prominently there. I found [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(258).htm top view], [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(290).htm side viper], and [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(572).htm side Fleet]. Of the three, "side Fleet" is my favorite, but that's a fairly small sample. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:59, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:::They're all pretty nice. We could sprinkle them throughout the article for flavor. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:15, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:::I would love to see "side Fleet" on the pictureless [[The Fleet (RDM)]] article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:33, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Should I go ahead and upload the Galacticastation versions (576x320), or should we have one of our resident screen capture artists grab something higher quality (DVD or High-def)? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:23, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::Upload the ones you've got, and put a notice on [[Battlestar Wiki:Requested Images|Requested Images]] for higher quality versions. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:20, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

::::::Internal links to:
::::::[[:Image:Mini gal top.jpg|top view]]
::::::[[:Image:Mini gal side viper.jpg|side viper]]
::::::[[:Image:Mini side fleet.jpg|side fleet]]
::::::They're prepped and ready to be added to the gumbo that is the wiki (though they could probably use better tagging, but being from Galacticastation I'm not sure of the original signal source). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:53, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Side viper and top view added. I added them as non-thumbnails in an effort for them to be less intrusive. I left out "side fleet" as that got added to [[the Fleet (RDM)]], but it could be added if somebody wants to make room. We should be careful not to overdo it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:10, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::::: I changed them to thumbs because I think it looks cleaner having a clear delineation between text and image. Revert if you wish and we can talk about it. I also added some kind of place-holder captions, which might be improved upon by someone who has a clearer idea of the purpose of the images are (other than look: a space boat). --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 23:55, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

I added appropriate captions to the thumbs. I'm normally a non-thumb guy as I think we overuse it for pictures where the context is already present and so further captioning is unnecessary, nor do I see the bordering as needed. However, the thumbs here don't detract, so there you go. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:13, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:So is this good to go for "FA"? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:25, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
::I think the article's come a long way; yes, I believe it's ready. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:32, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
What do you guys think of the orthos I added to the bottom. (Thanks Mercifull, I forgot to add back in the bottom one.) --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:30, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

:That Starship Modeler booger on the 2nd image annoys me since it wasn't their image in the first place. I'd rather get rid of it or get a clean one (it appears to be merely cropped from the first, anyway). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:13, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

== Starboard flight pod ==

That sure as hell looked like the starboard flight pod during the Adama Maneuver. Anyone agree? --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 18:14, 11 November 2006 (CST)
* Not only that, I'm pretty sure I heard a reference in A Measure of Salvation to a landing in the starboard pod. Fair to say it's back in service? [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 14:57, 14 November 2006 (CST)

Collaborators

2006-10-30T23:49:33Z

Mr. Random: /* Questions */

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| episode= 5
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== Overview ==
:''[[The Circle]], a secret tribunal on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', decides the fate of [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and other Colonials who aided the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] during the occupation of [[New Caprica]].

== Summary ==
=== On ''[[Galactica]]'' ===
* [[James Lyman]] (Jammer) is brought before [[The Circle]]. He is found guilty of treason, the punishment for which is death. Despite his pleas and an attempt to convince [[Galen Tyrol]] to spare him, for Lyman freed [[Cally Tyrol]] from the Cylon death squad ([[Precipice]]), The Circle carries out Lyman's punishment and ejects him from ''Galactica'' by depressurizing the [[launch tubes|launch tube]] where he is held.
* After Lyman's execution, Tyrol talks to his wife about how she escaped. While she claims to not have thought about the incident since, Cally Tyrol tells him that she thinks one "[[New Caprica Police|of those goons]]" set her free.
* On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] asks [[Tom Zarek]] of his plans as the new President. Zarek plans to reconvene the Quorum of Twelve, put Roslin's name in for nomination to vice president and then step down, returning the presidency to her. Roslin assumes that this act requires something in return for Zarek, who he asks not be left on the outside of government affairs. For his actions in standing up to Gaius Baltar on New Caprica, she promises him the Vice Presidency.
* [[Felix Gaeta]] enters the still-damaged [[CIC]] to help with repairs to communication. [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] sees him and vocally demands for him to leave, accusing him of being a collaborator. [[Helo]] tells Tigh that Gaeta is there on the Admiral's orders, but Tigh continues to protest loudly until Admiral Adama appears. The admiral takes him out of the room to talk to him about resting so he will be ready, something that Tigh thinks he doesn't need.
* The Circle reconvenes, now under a three-day time limit to dole out justice. As they run through the cases, they eventually they come to the file on Gaeta, with four of the members voting guilty. Anders refuses to vote and leaves the Circle, tired of the continuous killing he has done. Chief Tyrol refuses to vote if they do not have a sixth member as required for the Circle.
* In the mess hall, Gaeta is treated as ''[[Wikipedia:Persona non grata|persona non grata]]'', eating alone until [[Kara Thrace]] sits at his table. She talks, kindly at first, then insults him for his supposed cowardice. Gaeta counters by bringing up his status as the informant, mentioning the dog dish being flipped over as his signal to the resistance.
* Lee and Bill Adama talking about the status of the fleet. Lee Adama brings up the fact that over the past few days, 13 people have mysteriously disappeared, after being confirmed as survivors of the Exodus. As he leaves he reveals that has lost "[[Wikipedia:Stone (weight)|half a stone]]" in weight. Bill tells him to keep jumping rope.
* The Circle brings in Kara Thrace as the replacement vote of the jury. All vote guilty on Gaeta, except for Tyrol once more. Anders comes in and requests time to talk with his wife. The scene splits, with the other members of the Circle trying to convince Tyrol of Gaeta's guilt, and Anders trying to explain that what the Circle does isn't justice. Thrace rebuffs him, her pain from incarceration lashing at anyone, even her husband. Thrace tells Anders that they must separate. The Chief eventually folds and votes guilty.
* Gaeta is captured and brought to a launch tube, told that this is an official trial under authority from the President of the Colonies, and that if he has anything to say to explain himself he should say it now. Gaeta replies that he has already told his story and refuses to beg. Kara Thrace's anger lashes out at Gaeta, telling him to beg, while taunting him with the idea that he was an informant for the insurgency, and mentioning the [[Jake (New Caprica)|dog bowl]]. When the Chief hears this, he reveals that Gaeta could not know about the signal unless he was the one leaving the dead drops, then he releases Gaeta from his bonds. The other members of the Circle realize Gaeta's innocence, that he was in fact the secret source inside the Baltar Adminstration. Colonel Tigh stands speechless in the revelation, confused between his own certainty and the facts before him.
* Laura Roslin is re-inaugurated as the President of the Twelve Colonies, and issues a decree of amnesty against all alleged collaborators, after it is privately revealed that Zarek authorized the trials and sentences conducted by the Circle in an attempt to protect Roslin from having to deal with months of public trials which could destroy the unity of the Fleet through highly publicized "witch hunts." In place of the trials, Roslin announces a commission on "truth and reconciliation", to record the history of the occupation for posterity.
* Still outcast, Gaeta is reinstated in the Colonial Fleet as an officer. In the mess hall, Chief Tyrol sits with Gaeta. Both eat in silence as the other crew members are taken aback by the act.

===On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]===
* [[Gaius Baltar]] seems to be on ''Colonial One'', sitting in a chair in front of Tigh, Roslin, and Admiral Adama as they talk about how there was little he could do with the situation he had on New Caprica.
* As the group forgives him, the [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Six]] appears and claims the group is too lenient. Admiral Adama actually seems to hear her. Laura Roslin begins to tell Baltar how much she wants him in a provocative manner when Baltar realizes he is dreaming, waking up as Roslin kisses him.
*Baltar finds himself naked on a red [[Wikipedia:Chaise longue|chaise longue]] inside an unrecognizable room. When a [[Cylon Centurion]] guard appears at the doorway, Baltar realizes that he is imprisoned in the room with only a robe to wear. The scene turns to outer space where we see several Cylon basestars surrounding a [[Resurrection Ship]].
* A [[Number Three]] visits Baltar. She tells him that 3 days have elapsed since his arrival, and offers him a bottle of pills. She tells him that his presence on the basestar has caused a conflict between seven of the models. With three voting for him to be allowed to remain, while three vote for him to be removed. The only model that hasn't come to a consensus are the Sixes.
* [[Caprica Six]] visits Baltar and explains how wrong she was to let her feelings get in the way of her duties as a Cylon. Baltar tries to convince Six that she is more then just a Cylon and that she loves him. As she walks out he belatedly tells her that he needs her as well.
*Later, Baltar awakens to find Caprica-Six setting his clothes in his room.

== Questions ==
* Will there be an illegal organization in the Fleet that will continue where [[The Circle]] left off?
* Since Tigh has been reinstated into the Colonial Fleet, where does this leave Galactica's chain of command? Specifically, what are the roles of Tigh, Helo, and [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] now?
* What of [[Lee Adama]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] and other officers of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''? How will these redundacies be dealt with?
* Given that there are civilians aboard ''Galactica'' from the Second Exodus, and previous sabotage events that plagued ''Galactica'' prior to colonization of New Caprica, are they restricted to certain areas?
* Has [[Samuel Anders]] become a member of ''Galactica's'' crew, or is he only allowed on board because of his relationship with Thrace?
* Will any of The Circle's members or Zarek face charges, or will they be pardoned by Roslin's government for what they had done?
* Now that the Cylons seem to have accepted Gaius Baltar, at least begrudgingly, what will happen to him?
* What happened to those who were left behind on [[New Caprica]]?
* Which Cylon models are in favor of allowing Baltar to stay with them (besides Three, who proposed it in the first place) and which are not in favor?
* Does Caprica-Six setting Baltar's clothes on his bed indicate that the Cylons have chosen to allow him to remain?
* What became of Zarek's deal with Roslin to become Vice-President after his order authorizing the Circle came to light? Did he become Vice-President, or is he back on the outside?
* How could [[The Circle]] operate in ''Galactica's'' launch tubes without William Adama's notice?
** Or, for that matter, the notice of anyone on the usually-busy hangar decks?
* Did the unnamed woman convicted inbetween Jammer's execution and Gaeta's execution actual get executed, thereby increasing the count killed by the Circle from 13 to 14?
** For what it's worth, in the episode podcast, RDM says that her death was indeed confirmed in a cut scene.
* Did the General Amnesty apply to Baltar?
* Are there going to be new laws outlining rules of contact with the enemy for the future?
* Isn't it becoming obvious that the survivors now need a new consititution since the current system doesn't seem to work in the environment it is in?

== Analysis ==
*The flight from New Caprica is referred to as "The Second Exodus", implying that the "First Exodus" was from the Colonies to New Caprica.
*Three states that three models are in favor of keeping Baltar around and three are against it, with Six's vote needed to break the stalemate. This indicates that the remaining five models are, for whatever reason, not participating in the vote.
**{{spoilli|According to an [http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30381 interview] with Aaron Douglas and Tamoh Penikett, the remaining five models may have all been [[Boxing|boxed]].}}
* This is the first time viewers have seen a living interior of a Cylon basestar. The only time an interior shot of a basestar was ever seen was in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" when [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] encounters her [[Number Eight|sisters]].
* Lee Adama mentions that he lost "half a stone" refering to his weight. A stone is a unit of weight used mostly in the United Kingdom and Ireland that is equivalent to 14 pounds or 6.34 kg.
* ''Galactica's'' living spaces and hallways appear much more crowded than in the first two seasons, reflecting the expanded size of her crew. There also appear to be civilians mixed in with ''Galactica'''s crew complment, which is likely the result of overcrowding and the loss of some of the ships during the colonization and occupation of New Caprica.
* The exterior of ''Galactica'' is visibly damaged from the [[Battle of New Caprica]].
* The only two [[Cylon agent]]s to appear are Number Three and Number Six.
*On the disposition of the ''Pegasus'' crew and separated military personnel:
**Saul Tigh has resumed service as ''Galactica's'' XO. However, his experiences on New Caprica are hindering his ability to perform his duties.
**Lee Adama is performing bookkeeping work. He still wears his ''Pegasus'' uniform and Commander insignia, but his position on ''Galactica'' is unclear.
**Kara Thrace has retreived her uniform from storage, but it is not clear whether she has been recomissioned.
**Louanne Katraine is not seen. Presumably she continues to serve as ''Galactica's'' CAG.
**Karl Agathon is still working in ''Galactica's'' CIC.
**Anastasia Dualla is not seen.
**Felix Gaeta has been asked to help repair communication systems damaged during ''Galactica's'' atmospheric insertion in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". He is later seen in uniform in the mess hall.
**Galen Tyrol is back in uniform, and has presumably re-enlisted.
**Cally Tyrol is briefly seen caring for her son. It is not clear whether she has re-enlisted.
**[[Seelix]] is on ''Galactica'' and serves as a member of the Circle, but is not seen in uniform.
**Jammer has been executed by [[The Circle]] for his actions as a member of the [[New Caprica Police]].
*The glowing red strip on the wall in Baltar's room resembles the eye of a [[Cylon Centurion]] or [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]]. While it could be decoration, there's a good chance that it's a surveillance system.

== Notes ==
* This episode marks the resumption of the [[Survivor count]]. The count is revealed to be 41,435, meanting that there has been a net loss of 8,115 people since the beginning of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]."
* Laura Roslin resumes the Presidency in this episode.
* Kara Thrace has kept her surname, unlike most other married women shown or referenced thus far (including Caroline Adama, Ellen Tigh, Sesha Abinell, Cally Tyrol and Sharon Agathon).
* The Circle is the name used by the Bajoran [[MemoryAlpha:Alliance for Global Unity|Alliance for Global Unity]] in [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]] ("[[MemoryAlpha:The Homecoming|''The Homecoming'']]", "[[MemoryAlpha:The Circle|''The Circle'']]", and "[[MemoryAlpha:Siege|''The Siege'']]").
*This is the second time Six, after a fashion, has used the "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" threat against Baltar. The quote "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" is also a nod to ''[[w:The Incredible Hulk|The Incredible Hulk]]''.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''After discussing the thirteen missing persons:''
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': I've got a date with a jump rope. Hey, I've lost half a stone.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': Keep jumpin'.

*''In Gaius Baltar's dream:''
:'''Number Six''': Don't make me angry, Gaius.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': You wouldn't like her when she's angry.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[James Lyman|James "Jammer" Lyman]]
*[[imdb:nm0356501|Jennifer Halley]] as [[Seelix]]
*[[imdb:nm0730455|Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor|Connor]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*Winston Rekert as Priest

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Collaborators

2006-10-29T19:08:45Z

Mr. Random: /* On ''Galactica'' */

{{Episode Data
| title= Collaborators
| image=JammerCollaborators.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 5
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 305
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-27
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,435
| prev= [[Exodus, Part II]]
| next= [[Torn]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[The Circle]], a secret tribunal on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', decides the fate of [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and other Colonials who aided the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] during the occupation of [[New Caprica]].

== Summary ==
=== On ''[[Galactica]]'' ===
* [[James Lyman]] (Jammer) is brought before [[The Circle]]. He is found guilty of treason, the punishment for which is death. Despite his pleas and an attempt to convince [[Galen Tyrol]] to spare him, for Lyman freed [[Cally Tyrol]] from the Cylon death squad ([[Precipice]]), The Circle carries out Lyman's punishment and ejects him from ''Galactica'' by depressurizing the [[launch tubes|launch tube]] where he is held.
* After Lyman's execution, Tyrol talks to his wife about how she escaped. While she claims to not have thought about the incident since, Cally Tyrol tells him that she thinks one "[[New Caprica Police|of those goons]]" set her free.
* On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] asks [[Tom Zarek]] of his plans as the new President. Zarek plans to reconvene the Quorum of Twelve, put Roslin's name in for nomination to vice president and then step down, returning the presidency to her. Roslin assumes that this act requires something in return for Zarek, who he asks not be left on the outside of government affairs. For his actions in standing up to Gaius Baltar on New Caprica, she promises him the Vice Presidency.
* [[Felix Gaeta]] enters the still-damaged [[CIC]] to help with repairs to communication. [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] sees him and vocally demands for him to leave, accusing him of being a collaborator. [[Helo]] tells Tigh that Gaeta is there on the Admiral's orders, but Tigh continues to protest loudly until Admiral Adama appears. The admiral takes him out of the room to talk to him about resting so he will be ready, something that Tigh thinks he doesn't need.
* The Circle reconvenes, now under a three-day time limit to dole out justice. As they run through the cases, they eventually they come to the file on Gaeta, with four of the members voting guilty. Anders refuses to vote and leaves the Circle, tired of the continuous killing he has done. Chief Tyrol refuses to vote if they do not have a sixth member as required for the Circle.
* In the mess hall, Gaeta is treated as ''[[Wikipedia:Persona non grata|persona non grata]]'', eating alone until [[Kara Thrace]] sits at his table. She talks, kindly at first, then insults him for his supposed cowardice. Gaeta counters by bringing up his status as the informant, mentioning the dog dish being flipped over as his signal to the resistance.
* Lee and Bill Adama talking about the status of the fleet. Lee Adama brings up the fact that over the past few days, 13 people have mysteriously disappeared, after being confirmed as survivors of the Exodus. As he leaves he reveals that has lost "[[Wikipedia:Stone (weight)|half a stone]]" in weight. Bill tells him to keep jumping rope.
* The Circle brings in Kara Thrace as the replacement vote of the jury. All vote guilty on Gaeta, except for Tyrol once more. Anders comes in and requests time to talk with his wife. The scene splits, with the other members of the Circle trying to convince Tyrol of Gaeta's guilt, and Anders trying to explain that what the Circle does isn't justice. Thrace rebuffs him, her pain from incarceration lashing at anyone, even her husband. Thrace tells Anders that they must separate. The Chief eventually folds and votes guilty.
* Gaeta is captured and brought to a launch tube, told that this is an official trial under authority from the President of the Colonies, and that if he has anything to say to explain himself he should say it now. Gaeta replies that he has already told his story and refuses to beg. Kara Thrace's anger lashes out at Gaeta, telling him to beg, while taunting him with the idea that he was an informant for the insurgency, and mentioning the [[Jake (New Caprica)|dog bowl]]. When the Chief hears this, he reveals that Gaeta could not know about the signal unless he was the one leaving the dead drops, then he releases Gaeta from his bonds. The other members of the Circle realize Gaeta's innocence, that he was in fact the secret source inside the Baltar Adminstration. Colonel Tigh stands speechless in the revelation, confused between his own certainty and the facts before him.
* Laura Roslin is re-inaugurated as the President of the Twelve Colonies, and issues a decree of amnesty against all alleged collaborators, after it is privately revealed that Zarek authorized the trials and sentences conducted by the Circle in an attempt to protect Roslin from having to deal with months of public trials which could destroy the unity of the Fleet through highly publicized "witch hunts." In place of the trials, Roslin announces a commission on "truth and reconciliation", to record the history of the occupation for posterity.
* Still outcast, Gaeta is reinstated in the Colonial Fleet as an officer. In the mess hall, Chief Tyrol sits with Gaeta. Both eat in silence as the other crew members are taken aback by the act.

===On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]===
* [[Gaius Baltar]] seems to be on ''Colonial One'', sitting in a chair in front of Tigh, Roslin, and Admiral Adama as they talk about how there was little he could do with the situation he had on New Caprica.
* As the group forgives him, the [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Six]] appears and claims the group is too lenient. Admiral Adama actually seems to hear her. Laura Roslin begins to tell Baltar how much she wants him in a provocative manner when Baltar realizes he is dreaming, waking up as Roslin kisses him.
*Baltar finds himself naked on a red [[Wikipedia:Chaise longue|chaise longue]] inside an unrecognizable room. When a [[Cylon Centurion]] guard appears at the doorway, Baltar realizes that he is imprisoned in the room with only a robe to wear. The scene turns to outer space where we see several Cylon basestars surrounding a [[Resurrection Ship]].
* A [[Number Three]] visits Baltar. She tells him that 3 days have elapsed since his arrival, and offers him a bottle of pills. She tells him that his presence on the basestar has caused a conflict between seven of the models. With three voting for him to be allowed to remain, while three vote for him to be removed. The only model that hasn't come to a consensus are the Sixes.
* [[Caprica Six]] visits Baltar and explains how wrong she was to let her feelings get in the way of her duties as a Cylon. Baltar tries to convince Six that she is more then just a Cylon and that she loves him. As she walks out he belatedly tells her that he needs her as well.
*Later, Baltar awakens to find Caprica-Six setting his clothes in his room.

== Questions ==
* Will there be an illegal organization in the Fleet that will continue where [[The Circle]] left off?
* Since Tigh has been reinstated into the Colonial Fleet, where does this leave Galactica's chain of command? Specifically, what are the roles of Tigh, Helo, and [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] now?
* What of [[Lee Adama]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] and other officers of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''? How will these redundacies be dealt with?
* Given that there are civilians aboard ''Galactica'' from the Second Exodus, and previous sabotage events that plagued ''Galactica'' prior to colonization of New Caprica, are they restricted to certain areas?
* Has [[Samuel Anders]] become a member of ''Galactica's'' crew, or is he only allowed onboard because of his relationship with Thrace?
* Will any of The Circle's members or Zarek face charges, or will they be pardoned by Roslin's government for what they had done?
* Now that the Cylons seem to have accepted Gaius Baltar, at least begrudgingly, what will happen to him?
* What happened to those who were left behind on [[New Caprica]]?
* Which Cylon models are in favor of allowing Baltar to stay with them (besides Three, who proposed it in the first place) and which are not in favor?
* Does Caprica-Six setting Baltar's clothes on his bed indicate that the Cylons have chosen to allow him to remain?
* What became of Zarek's deal with Roslin to become Vice-President after his order authorizing the Circle came to light? Did he become Vice-President, or is he back on the outside?

== Analysis ==
*The flight from New Caprica is referred to as "The Second Exodus", implying that the "First Exodus" was from the Colonies to New Caprica.
*Three states that three models are in favor of keeping Baltar around and three are against it, with Six's vote needed to break the stalemate. This indicates that the remaining five models are, for whatever reason, not participating in the vote.
**{{spoilli|According to interviews with Grace Park, Dean Stockwell, and Tricia Helfer, the remaining Cylons are so secret that even the seven models known to the audience don't know who the last five are. See [[Talk:Precipice]] for more information.}}
**{{spoilli|According to an [http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30381 interview] with Aaron Douglas and Tamoh Penikett, the remaining five models may have all been [[Boxing|boxed]].}}
* This is the first time viewers have seen a living interior of a Cylon basestar. The only time an interior shot of a basestar was ever seen was in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" when [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] encounters her [[Number Eight|sisters]].
* Lee Adama mentions that he lost "half a stone" refering to his weight. A stone is a unit of weight used mostly in the United Kingdom and Ireland that is equivalent to 14 pounds or 6.34 kg.
* ''Galactica's'' living spaces and hallways appear much more crowded than in the first two seasons, reflecting the expanded size of her crew. There also appear to be civilians mixed in with ''Galactica'''s crew complment, which is likely the result of overcrowding and the loss of some of the ships during the colonization and occupation of New Caprica.
* The exterior of ''Galactica'' is visibly damaged from the [[Battle of New Caprica]].
* The only two [[Cylon agent]]s to appear are Number Three and Number Six.
*On the disposition of the ''Pegasus'' crew and separated military personnel:
**Saul Tigh has resumed service as ''Galactica's'' XO. However, his experiences on New Caprica are hindering his ability to perform his duties.
**Lee Adama is performing bookkeeping work. He still wears his ''Pegasus'' uniform and Commander insignia, but his position on ''Galactica'' is unclear.
**Kara Thrace has retreived her uniform from storage, but it is not clear whether she has been recomissioned.
**Louanne Katraine is not seen. Presumably she continues to serve as ''Galactica's'' CAG.
**Karl Agathon is still working in ''Galactica's'' CIC.
**Anastasia Dualla is not seen.
**Felix Gaeta has been asked to help repair communication systems damaged during ''Galactica's'' atmospheric insertion in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". He is later seen in uniform in the mess hall.
**Galen Tyrol is back in uniform, and has presumably re-enlisted.
**Cally Tyrol is briefly seen caring for her son. It is not clear whether she has re-enlisted.
**Jammer has been executed by [[The Circle]] for his actions as a member of the [[New Caprica Police]].
*The glowing red strip on the wall in Baltar's room resembles the eye of a [[Cylon Centurion]] or [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]]. While it could be decoration, there's a good chance that it's a surveillance system.

== Notes ==
* This episode marks the resumption of the [[Survivor count]]. There has been a net loss of 8,115 people since the beginning of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]."
**Survivor count for this episode is 41,435.
* Laura Roslin resumes the Presidency in this episode.
* Kara Thrace has kept her surname, unlike most other married women shown or referenced thus far (including Caroline Adama, Ellen Tigh, Sesha Abinell, Cally Tyrol and Sharon Agathon).
* The Circle is the name used by the Bajoran [[MemoryAlpha:Alliance for Global Unity|Alliance for Global Unity]] in [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]] ("[[MemoryAlpha:The Homecoming|''The Homecoming'']]", "[[MemoryAlpha:The Circle|''The Circle'']]", and "[[MemoryAlpha:Siege|''The Siege'']]").
*This is the third time Six, after a fashion, has used the "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" threat against Baltar. The quote "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" is also a nod to ''[[w:The Incredible Hulk|The Incredible Hulk]]''.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''After discussing the thirteen missing persons:''
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': I've got a date with a jump rope. Hey, I've lost half a stone.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': Keep jumpin'.

*''In Gaius Baltar's dream:''
:'''Number Six''': Don't make me angry, Gaius.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': You wouldn't like her when she's angry.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Collaborators

2006-10-29T08:32:41Z

Mr. Random:

{{Episode Data
| title= Collaborators
| image=JammerCollaborators.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 5
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 305
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-27
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,435
| prev= [[Exodus, Part II]]
| next= [[Torn]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[The Circle]], a secret tribunal on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', decides the fate of [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and other Colonials who aided the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] during the occupation of [[New Caprica]].

== Summary ==
=== On ''[[Galactica]]'' ===
* [[James Lyman]] (Jammer) is brought before [[The Circle]]. He is found guilty of treason, the punishment for which is death. Despite his pleas and an attempt to convince [[Galen Tyrol]] to spare him, for Lyman freed [[Cally Tyrol]] from the Cylon death squad ([[Precipice]]), The Circle carries out Lyman's punishment and ejects him from ''Galactica'' by depressurizing the [[launch tubes|launch tube]] where he is held.
* After Lyman's execution, Tyrol talks to his wife about how she escaped. While she claims to not have thought about the incident since, Cally Tyrol tells him that she thinks one "[[New Caprica Police|of those goons]]" set her free.
* On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] asks [[Tom Zarek]] of his plans as the new President. Zarek plans to reconvene the Quorum of Twelve, put Roslin's name in for nomination to vice president and then step down, returning the presidency to her. Roslin assumes that this act requires something in return for Zarek, who he asks not be left on the outside of government affairs. For his actions in standing up to Gaius Baltar on New Caprica, she promises him the Vice Presidency.
* [[Felix Gaeta]] enters the still damaged [[CIC]] to help with repairs to communication. [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] sees him and vocally demands for him to leave, accusing him as a collaborator. [[Helo]] tells Tigh that Gaeta is there on the Admiral's orders, but Tigh continues to protest loudly until Admiral Adama appears. The admiral takes him out of the room to talk to him about resting so he will be ready, something that Tigh thinks he doesn't need.
* The Circle reconvenes, now under a three-day time limit to dole out justice. As they run through the cases, they eventually they come to the file on Gaeta, with four of the members voting guilty. Anders refuses to vote and leaves the Circle, tired of the continuous killing he has done. Chief Tyrol refuses to vote if they do not have a sixth member as required for the Circle.
* In the mess hall, Gaeta is treated as ''[[Wikipedia:Persona non grata|persona non grata]]'', eating alone until [[Kara Thrace]] sits at his table. She talks, kindly at first, then insults him for his supposed cowardice. Gaeta counters by bringing up his status as the informant, mentioning the dog dish being flipped over as his signal to the resistance.
* Lee and Bill Adama talking about the status of the fleet. Lee Adama brings up the fact that over the past few days, 13 people have mysteriously disappeared, after being confirmed as survivors of the Exodus. As he leaves he reveals that has lost "[[Wikipedia:Stone (weight)|half a stone]]" in weight. Bill tells him to keep jumping rope.
* The Circle brings in Kara Thrace as the replacement vote of the jury. All vote guilty on Gaeta, except for Tyrol once more. Anders comes in and requests time to talk with his wife. The scene splits, with the other members of the Circle trying to convince Tyrol of Gaeta's guilt, and Anders trying to explain that what the Circle does isn't justice. Thrace rebuffs him, her pain from incarceration lashing at anyone, even her husband. Thrace tells Anders that they must separate. The Chief eventually folds and votes guilty.
* Gaeta is captured and brought to a launch tube, told that this is an official trial under authority from the President of the Colonies, and that if he has anything to say to explain himself he should say it now. Gaeta replies that he has already told his story and refuses to beg.
*Kara Thrace's anger lashes out at Gaeta, telling him to beg, while taunting him with the idea that he was an informant for the insurgency, and mentioning the [[Jake (New Caprica)|dog bowl]].
*The Chief hears this, and reveals that Gaeta could not know about the signal unless he was the one leaving the dead drops.
*The other members of the Circle realize Gaeta's innocence, that he was in fact the secret source inside the Baltar Adminstration. Colonel Tigh stands speechless in the revelation, confused between his own certainty and the facts before him.
* Laura Roslin is re-inaugurated as the President of the Twelve Colonies, and issues a decree of amnesty against all alleged collaborators, after it is privately revealed that Zarek authorized the trials and sentences conducted by the Circle in an attempt to protect Roslin from having to deal with months of public trials which could destroy the unity of the Fleet through highly publicized "witch hunts." In place of the trials, Roslin announces a commission on "truth and reconciliation", to record the history of the occupation for posterity.
* Still outcast, Gaeta is reinstated in the Colonial Fleet as an officer. In the mess hall, Chief Tyrol sits with Gaeta. Both eat in silence as the other crew members are taken aback by the act.

===On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]===
* [[Gaius Baltar]] seems to be on ''Colonial One'', sitting in a chair in front of Tigh, Roslin, and Admiral Adama as they talk about how there was little he could do with the situation he had on New Caprica.
* As the group forgives him, the [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Six]] appears and claims the group is too lenient. Admiral Adama actually seems to hear her. Laura Roslin begins to tell Baltar how much she wants him in a provocative manner when Baltar realizes he is dreaming, waking up as Roslin kisses him.
*Baltar finds himself naked on a red [[Wikipedia:Chaise longue|chaise longue]] inside an unrecognizable room. When a [[Cylon Centurion]] guard appears at the doorway, Baltar realizes that he is imprisoned in the room with only a robe to wear. The scene turns to outer space where we see several Cylon basestars surrounding a [[Resurrection Ship]].
* A [[Number Three]] visits Baltar. She tells him that 3 days have elapsed since his arrival, and offers him a bottle of pills. She tells him that his presence on the basestar has caused a conflict between seven of the models. With three voting for him to be allowed to remain, while three vote for him to be removed. The only model that hasn't come to a consensus are the Sixes.
* [[Caprica Six]] visits Baltar and explains how wrong she was to let her feelings get in the way of her duties as a Cylon. Baltar tries to convince Six that she is more then just a Cylon and that she loves him. As she walks out he belatedly tells her that he needs her as well.
*Later, Baltar awakens to find Caprica-Six setting his clothes in his room.

== Questions ==
* Will there be an illegal organization in the Fleet that will continue where [[The Circle]] left off?
* Since Tigh has been reinstated into the Colonial Fleet, where does this leave Galactica's chain of command? Specifically, what are the roles of Tigh, Helo, and [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] now?
* What of [[Lee Adama]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] and other officers of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''? How will these redundacies be dealt with?
* Why is [[Charlie Connor]] aboard ''Galactica''? Outside of The Circle, what was his purpose on ''Galactica'', seeing as he is not a past crew member?
* Given that there are civilians aboard ''Galactica'' from the Second Exodus, and previous sabotage events that plagued ''Galactica'' prior to colonization of New Caprica, are they restricted to certain areas?
* Has [[Samuel Anders]] become a member of ''Galactica's'' crew, or is he only allowed onboard because of his relationship with Thrace?
* Will any of The Circle's members or Zarek face charges, or will they be pardoned by Roslin's government for what they had done?
* Now that the Cylons seem to have accepted Gaius Baltar, at least begrudgingly, what will happen to him?
* What happened to those who were left behind on [[New Caprica]]?
* Which Cylon models are in favor of allowing Baltar to stay with them (besides Three, who proposed it in the first place) and which are not in favor?
* Does Caprica-Six setting Baltar's clothes on his bed indicate that the Cylons have chosen to allow him to remain?
* What became of Zarek's deal with Roslin to become Vice-President after his order authorizing the Circle came to light? Did he become Vice-President, or is he back on the outside?

== Analysis ==
*The flight from New Caprica is referred to as "The Second Exodus", implying that the "First Exodus" was from the Colonies to New Caprica.
*Three states that three models are in favor of keeping Baltar around and three are against it, with Six's vote needed to break the stalemate. This indicates that the remaining five models are, for whatever reason, not participating in the vote.
**{{spoilli|According to interviews with Grace Park, Dean Stockwell, and Tricia Helfer, the remaining Cylons are so secret that even the seven models known to the audience don't know who the last five are. See [[Talk:Precipice]] for more information.}}
**{{spoilli|According to an [http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30381 interview] with Aaron Douglas and Tamoh Penikett, the remaining five models may have all been [[Boxing|boxed]].}}
* This is the first time viewers have seen a living interior of a Cylon basestar. The only time an interior shot of a basestar was ever seen was in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" when [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] encounters her [[Number Eight|sisters]].
* Lee Adama mentions that he lost "half a stone" refering to his weight. A stone is a unit of weight used mostly in the United Kingdom and Ireland that is equivalent to 14 pounds or 6.34 kg.
* ''Galactica's'' living spaces and hallways appear much more crowded than in the first two seasons, reflecting the expanded size of her crew. There also appear to be civilians mixed in with ''Galactica'''s crew complment, which is likely the result of overcrowding and the loss of some of the ships during the colonization and occupation of New Caprica.
* The exterior of ''Galactica'' is visibly damaged from the [[Battle of New Caprica]].
* The only two [[Cylon agent]]s to appear are Number Three and Number Six.
*On the disposition of the ''Pegasus'' crew and separated military personnel:
**Saul Tigh has resumed service as ''Galactica's'' XO. However, his experiences on New Caprica are hindering his ability to perform his duties.
**Lee Adama is performing bookkeeping work. He still wears his ''Pegasus'' uniform and Commander insignia, but his position on ''Galactica'' is unclear.
**Kara Thrace has retreived her uniform from storage, but it is not clear whether she has been recomissioned.
**Louanne Katraine is not seen. Presumably she continues to serve as ''Galactica's'' CAG.
**Karl Agathon is still working in ''Galactica's'' CIC.
**Anastasia Dualla is not seen.
**Felix Gaeta has been asked to help repair communication systems damaged during ''Galactica's'' atmospheric insertion in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". He is later seen in uniform in the mess hall.
**Galen Tyrol is back in uniform, and has presumably re-enlisted.
**Cally Tyrol is briefly seen caring for her son. It is not clear whether she has re-enlisted.
**Jammer has been executed by [[The Circle]] for his actions as a member of the [[New Caprica Police]].
*The glowing red strip on the wall in Baltar's room resembles the eye of a [[Cylon Centurion]] or [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]]. While it could be decoration, there's a good chance that it's a surveillance system.

== Notes ==
* This episode marks the resumption of the [[Survivor count]]. There has been a net loss of 8,115 people since the beginning of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]."
**Survivor count for this episode is 41,435.
* Laura Roslin resumes the Presidency in this episode.
* Kara Thrace has kept her surname, unlike most other married women shown or referenced thus far (including Caroline Adama, Ellen Tigh, Sesha Abinell, Cally Tyrol and Sharon Agathon).
* The Circle is the name used by the Bajoran [[MemoryAlpha:Alliance for Global Unity|Alliance for Global Unity]] in [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]] ("[[MemoryAlpha:The Homecoming|''The Homecoming'']]", "[[MemoryAlpha:The Circle|''The Circle'']]", and "[[MemoryAlpha:Siege|''The Siege'']]").

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''After discussing the thirteen missing persons:''
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': I've got a date with a jump rope. Hey, I've lost half a stone.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': Keep jumpin'.

*''In Gaius Baltar's dream:''
:'''Number Six''': Don't make me angry, Gaius.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': You wouldn't like her when she's angry.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
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Exodus, Part II

2006-10-25T20:49:00Z

Mr. Random:

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| title= Exodus, Part II
| image=TighAdamaReunion.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 4
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
| writer= [[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
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| director= [[Félix Enríquez Alcalá]]
| production= 304
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| US airdate= 2006-10-20
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| prev= [[Exodus, Part I]]
| next= [[Collaborators]]
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== Overview ==

:''Commander [[Lee Adama]] of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)| Pegasus]]'' has serious doubts about the success of the [[New Caprica]] rescue mission by ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. On New Caprica, [[Saul Tigh]] decides the consequences for his [[Ellen Tigh |wife's]] betrayal of [[The Resistance | the Resistance]]. Aboard ''Galactica'', Admiral [[William Adama]] executes a dramatic rescue plan.''

== Summary ==

*On ''Pegasus'', [[Lee Adama]] and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] talk of ''[[Galactica]]'s'' mission. Adama worries heavily that Admiral Adama's mission will fail and of what future responsibilities he may have as the leader of the rest of mankind. His wife tells him to not give up hope.
*On New Caprica, [[Samuel Anders]] confronts [[Saul Tigh]] about [[Ellen Tigh|his wife Ellen's]] betrayal and tells him that either Tigh "takes care" of Ellen, or someone else less sympathetic will do so.
*Ellen Tigh explains her recent actions, that she would do absolutely anything to save Saul, including betraying the resistance. Tigh consoles her and provides her a drink when she asks. She falls unconscious, her drink having been poisoned by her husband. He says that he loves her, rests his head on her corpse, and weeps.
*On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Gaius Baltar]] tells the Cylons that they have failed in their experiment and suggests the Cylons simply leave. A [[Number Three|Three]] voices the concern that one day the descendants of mankind might exact vengeance upon the Cylons, should they be left to their own devices.
[[Image:Saulellen.jpg|Saul handing Ellen her poisoned drink.|thumb]]

*Suddenly, dozens of explosions can be felt and seen. The [[Battle of New Caprica]] has begun.
*Anders and the resistance team has set a series of explosions that mimic a Colonial attack and causes chaos. [[Tory Foster]] commands a team of section leaders in the evacuation and orders [[Maya]] to head for her ship with [[Hera|Isis]].
*Anders and a large group of resistance fighters retrieve weapons from beneath the [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] court to rescue the detainees in the [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]].
*In space above New Caprica, ''Galactica'' deploys a squadron of Raptors and Vipers. The Raptors launch [[swallow]]s to mimic the EM signature of two Colonial battlestars. The Cylons pick them up and fall for the ruse, moving two basestars with their Raiders away from the planet.
*When [[Leoben Conoy]] leaves the residence inside the Detention Center to aid with the fighting, he keeps [[Kara Thrace]] inside. She assaults him and tries to escape, but he knocks her unconscious.
*[[Tom Zarek]] tasks [[James Lyman|Jammer]] to protect [[Laura Roslin]] as she makes her way to ''Colonial One''.
*At the entrance to the shipyard, where the Cylons keep the grounded Colonial vessels, a team under Tigh and [[Galen Tyrol]] are pinned down by [[Cylon Centurion]]s.
*The Cylons detect the decoy drones, but ''Galactica'' jumps into the planet's upper atmosphere and plunges rapidly towards the planet. Mid-descent, ''Galactica'' launches its Vipers. Before colliding with the ground, the ship jumps back into space. The Vipers begin to attack targets on the ground and clear the way.
*As others are freed from the Detention Center, Anders finds his unconscious wife and carries her away, but when Thrace awakens, she goes back to retrieve [[Kacey]].
*The battle is turning against ''Galactica''. Her FTL drives are down, weapons are offline and there is heavy structural damage from the atmospheric entry. Four Cylon basestars are closing in and the battlestar is soon bombarded from all sides with no hope of survival. At that moment ''Pegasus'' joins the battle, Lee Adama having disobeyed his father's orders. He opens fire with the forward batteries and destroys one basestar in the opening salvo.
*The Cylons realize that they have lost and decide to evacuate the planet. [[Number Three]] volunteers to stay behind and set off the nuclear weapon that was left in the city for such a contingency. She offers Baltar a place with the Cylons and leaves.
*The Colonial ships initiate intra-atmosphere [[FTL|jumps]] from New Caprica as soon as they become airborne.
*''Pegasus'' is heavily bombarded by missiles, having left all of her Vipers back with the rest of the civilian Fleet. Admiral Adama realizes that his son has planned a one-way mission for ''Pegasus'', and orders recall of ''Galactica's'' fighters.
*On ''Colonial One'', [[Felix Gaeta]] accuses Baltar at gunpoint of having betrayed everyone. Gaeta admits his guilt in idealistically believing in Baltar's initial vision, but realized in the end that Baltar was only thinking about himself. Baltar admits his own guilt and begs Gaeta to shoot him. However, Gaeta relents, giving Baltar a final chance to redeem himself: stop Three from setting off the nuclear bomb.
*With ''Pegasus'' dying, Lee Adama orders everyone to abandon ship. He sets the ship [[CBDR]] with a basestar as the last of the crew leaves in Raptors. ''Pegasus’'' collides with a basestar, destroying it; The remains of ''Pegasus’'' starboard [[flight pod]] collides with and destroys yet another basestar.
*Kara Thrace retrieves Kacey, but Conoy has returned and confronts her. She appears to give in to his demands, says "I love you," and kisses him. However, Thrace uses the diversion to stab him. She picks up Kacey and leaves with Anders.
*Three searches [[Dodona Selloi]]'s tent, but the [[oracle]] has left. Outside, [[Caprica-Six]] and Baltar find Hera next to [[Maya]]'s body, still alive. Three arrives, asks to hold the child, and leaves with her. [[Caprica-Six]] says Three no longer intends to detonate the nuke, then leaves the planet with Baltar.
*Laura Roslin and a group of resistance fighters enter the now abandoned ''Colonial One'' and are the last ship to leave the planet.
*On ''Galactica'', many people are reunited as Tyrol immediately takes charge of ushering the incoming refugees. When Thrace shows Kacey to Tyrol, another woman walks by and recognizes the girl as her daughter, whom the Cylons had taken away. The mother thanks Thrace for rescuing Kacey. Thrace is shocked by the relevation that Kacey is not her daughter after all, but gives her up.
*Admiral Adama welcomes Tigh back aboard, and tells him he brought everyone back. Tigh quietly replies, "[[Ellen Tigh|Not all of them]]." The colonists in ''Galactica's'' [[hangar deck]] begin chanting "A-dam-a, A-dam-a..." and carry the admiral on their shoulders. Adama turns to see Tigh wandering off, numbed with grief.
*Tory Foster tells Roslin that neither Maya nor Hera can be found, and it seems likely neither made it off the planet. Foster apologizes, but Roslin muses that this was part of something bigger than them.
*Admiral Adama shaves off his mustache and returns to a fully staffed [[CIC]], aboard the now very loud, bustling corridors of ''Galactica''.

== Questions ==

*With Baltar missing at the conclusion of this episode, who will become the President of the Twelve Colonies?
**[[Tom Zarek]], as Vice President, seems to have the best claim. Since he chose to become a political prisoner rather than collaborate with the Cylons, he has probably retained his good standing in the public eye. If Baltar had him removed from office, he could probably make a good case that such an action was illegal.
**Laura Roslin's decision to evacuate on Colonial One may not have been an expression of her intent to claim the presidency. Colonial One had been her home for the first nine months that the fleet spent on the run. Zarek may have deliberately opted to evacuate aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' for non-political reasons, as he previously served as a leader and representative of that vessel and her passengers.
**However, [[Saul Tigh]] seemed to expect that Roslin would assume the presidency ([[Precipice]]), and when boarding Colonial One, she makes herself at home at Baltar's desk as if she intends to do so.
**The Colonial Government has scheduled elections ([[Bastille Day]]), although it has also called special elections before ([[Colonial Day]]). As of this episode, it has been about a year and five months since the last presidential election, so it is unlikely that another is scheduled in the near future.
*What will be the final disposition of the ''Pegasus'' officers, and the former military personnel who have returned from New Caprica?
**Saul Tigh's injuries may prevent him from resuming his post as XO of ''Galactica''. Additionally, he has been outranked by [[Lee Adama]] since "[[The Captain's Hand]]".
**Lee Adama's command, the ''Pegasus'', has been destroyed. Given Tigh's incapacity, he may begin service as XO of ''Galactica''. He has also expressed dissatisfaction with his military career ([[Final Cut]]) and may wish to retire from fleet service, or resume his earlier duties of military liaison to the civilian government.
**It will be difficult to justify replacing [[Louanne Katraine]] as CAG, given the length of her service since the foundation of New Caprica, and her skill as a pilot, shown to have rivaled or outstripped even that of Kara Thrace by the time of "[[Scar]]".
**[[Kara Thrace]] is separated from Fleet service, and although she will probably return to active duty, it is unlikely that she will resume her former duty position as CAG, ''Galactica'' so long as Katraine is serving competently in that position.
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] is now an officer, and will not be expected to resume NCO-level tasks. [[Hoshi]] held her former position on ''Pegasus'', and is now available to serve on ''Galactica''.
**[[Felix Gaeta]] is separated, and will have to answer for the crimes of Baltar's administration, despite his covert affiliation with the resistance. [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Aaron Kelly]] have both been shown performing Gaeta's duties in CIC on ''Galactica'', and one of them may replace him.
**[[Cally Tyrol]], [[Galen Tyrol]], or both may choose to remain separated (from fleet service) to raise their son, Nicholas. We have not yet seen young children being raised on board ''Galactica'', although there is a [[Boxey (RDM)|precedent]] for keeping a civilian minor onboard.
**We may also see characters assume roles not previously shown onboard ''Galactica''.
*What consequences will Ellen Tigh's death have for her husband?
**Will Saul Tigh again drink to excess?
***A Chicago Tribune interview with Ron Moore answers this.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/10/battlestar_gala.html|title=Chicago Tribune|date=October 2, 2006|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=en}}</ref>
*What equipment and personnel were left behind on [[New Caprica]]?
**In order to build [[New Caprica City]], the ships were at least partially stripped and supplies were offloaded.
**Medical supplies were running low as of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", although apparently the colonists were resupplied by the Cylons.
**Are there any people alive remaining on New Caprica after the exodus, due to wounds or infirmity? Were there any detention facilities which the [[New Caprica Resistance]] failed to liberate? Did anyone besides [[Gaius Baltar]] stay behind willingly?
*If the civilian ships only needed to get a few hundred feet off the ground in order to use their FTL drives and escape, why do ''Galcatica'' and ''Pegasus'' need to engage the basestars? Is this just to keep the Raiders, Heavy Raiders, and missiles from being used on the civilian fleet, on the surface below? (Note: it is not in dispute that having ''Galactica'' launch its fighters within the atmosphere is important so they could attack the Centurions and few raiders there.)
**As with the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the Cylons could destroy the city with a single nuclear bomb in orbit. The plan appears to force the Cylons to be too distracted by the battlestar's offenses (Raptors at first, then the battlestar itself) to worry about the actions on the planet. ''Galactica'' jumps intra-atmosphere to minimize detection by the basestars.
**As part of Adama's strategy, after the intra-atmospheric jump, he probably wanted to jump the Galactica to the lowest possible orbit such that when the planetary rescue effort was complete that he could recover the vipers in the shortest possible time. To jump the Galactica to an extremely high orbit could add hours to viper recovery and allowing far too much time for Basestars and Raiders alike to close into their position.
*Will Gaeta be the target of persecution or assassination as a collaborator? Or will people believe in him when he is found out to be the secret informant?
*Will [[Cally Tyrol]] identify Jammer as the NCP officer who released her, based on his voice?
*''Galactica's'' escape seems questionable. Most or all of ''Galactica's'' Vipers were launched during the atmospheric maneuver. Later, after the four basestars start pummelling ''Galactica'', its situation is dire, facing explosive decompressions and with its FTL disabled. Adama says, "Then that's it. It's been an honor." ''Pegasus'' immediately appears and uses its superior weaponry to engage the basestars, destroying one in the first volley, so Adama orders the FTL to be fixed. Soon, Helo reports that most of the civilian ships have jumped, that FTL is back online, and that ''Pegasus'' is taking "a hell of a pounding." Adama orders his Vipers to land so that ''Galactica'' can leave. The next shot is Vipers landing, but weren't they all at the surface? How long does it take a Viper to climb into orbit? Real-world atmospheric escapes take several minutes, at least. How much damage were the basestars and battlestars doing to each other in this time?
**We aren't seeing events in real-time. Several minutes can lie between scenes that appear to happen right after another. Sometimes it is simply necessary to compress things in order to fit them into one episode.
**There may be several key differences at play between an escape from New Caprica's atmosphere and a real-world atmospheric departure, such as a lower [[Wikipedia:Karman line|atmospheric boundary]], more powerful thrusters on the Vipers, etc.
***In a real-world example, the [[Wikipedia:Space Shuttle|Space Shuttle]] takes approximately 10 minutes to attain escape velocity. The length of this time is partly due to the fact that the Space Shuttle's engines are occassionally throttled back to keep acceleration below 3 G to reduce discomfort to the crew. Additionally, typically it takes several hours for the Space Shuttle to attain the same orbit as the [[Wikipedia:International Space Station|ISS]]. For convenience of fiction, from the time of escape velocity of the vipers to attaining the same orbit of the Galactica could be said to be several minutes. Therefore, the entire sequence probably took in real-time 1/2 hour from the time the order was given by Adama to retrieve the Vipers to the time that all Vipers were aboard the Galactica. This is not taking into account that all craft can't land simultaneously on a carrier. The Pegasus probably took a pounding from 1/2 to 1 hour from the 3 remaining Basestars before it reached its final demise, a process that was beyond the timeframe of the show.
***Also, the Vipers might already have been en route to Galactica by the time Adama gives the order to "bring them home." That order might have referred to landing them. (The combat-landing shot, fwiw, was recycled from the mini-series.)
*Why did Kara Thrace wait so long to stab Leoben? She could have done it before even kissing him.
**Possibly, Thrace intended to insult to injury by her quick betrayal, but also, she needed to ensure that the Cylon agent was completely off his guard.
**It's also possible she is not as strong as we think, and truly felt something for Leoben in those few moments.
***That seems unlikely considering that after she shoved a 6" blade into his belly, she watched his face as she twisted it. That would be taken as an indication of extreme hatred by most people.
**She does, of course, have a well-demonstrated flair for the dramatic.
*What about the Cylons, such as Leoben, who were killed during the insurection? If they were dependant on a resurrection facility on New Caprica, is said facility still operational? If not, is there a resurrection ship in range?
*What, besides ''Galactica'' and her crew, was gained by the sacrifice of ''Pegasus''? Most of the civilian ships had already jumped to safety, and ''Pegasus'' did not bring any Vipers along to escort the remainder, opting instead to leave them to defend the small civilian fleet it had been protecting. If nothing was gained besides the survival of ''Galactica'', the sacrifice was a costly and foolish mistake - the fleet has lost the more advanced of its two battlestars, and along with it, its ability to manufacture new Vipers ([[Scar]]).
**From a purely military mission perspective that is correct. ''Pegasus''' intervention seems to have been made solely because of the personal feelings of its commander. For the Cylons, the destruction of Pegasus and the retrieval of Hera compensate to an extent for the loss of three base stars and 39,000 human prisoners.
** Actually the mission was to rescue the 39,000 humans, the bulk of the survivors of the human race. The military perspective would be the sacrifice was worth the loss (though it would have been better, perhaps, if ''Galactica'' would have done the suicide run). It seems, though, that ''Pegasus'' would have jumped out if it could do so, but the ship lost its FTL drive during the pounding. This seems to happen relatively frequently for heavily defended warships designed to engage in brutal combat -- both Battlestars lost FTL during this battle. Also, ''Galactica's'' facilities to manufacture Vipers may have been greatly improved during the year at New Caprica.
** From a tactical point of view, the survival of Admiral Adama, the best tactician in the rag-tag fleet, was more important that the survival of the superior battlestar.
** All of which raises the question of whether the loss of the ''Pegasus'' could have been averted had Lee gone along with the rescue plan in the first place, rather than arriving at the halfway mark.
** The loss of ''Pegasus'' is a blow to the Colonials, but it also serves the intention of the writing staff. The ''Pegasus'' was an off-balanced factor to the strength of the human fleet. Without ''Pegasus'', the show returns to the rag-tag fleet that was established in the first season. This will make the survival of the human race more difficult, but the story of the show is to watch the struggle on the search for Earth.
* Now that ''Galactica'' is carrying the Viper squadrons from both battlestars, will the starboard flight pod be returned to service?

== Analysis ==

*There is a major plot hole concerning the continuity of the story from Exodus, Part I. In Part I, D'Anna sees Caprica-Sharon in the detention center and is shot by her. Yet in Part II, D'Anna is in Colonial One, apparently unharmed, and has not alerted the Cylons to Sharon's presence.
**That is a different D'Anna. You'll note the D'Anna in Colonial One before the attack is wearing all black, whereas the D'Anna that encountered Sharon typically wears lighter colors. The two D'Annas are seen together in The Occupation.
***This is NOT a different D'Anna. This is the same D'Anna that dreamt about Hera and relayed this information to Sharon Agathon, and later carried Hera in her arms as her dreams foretold. The plot hole stands.
****Some time had passed once the fleet received news that Sharon retrieved the command codes. D'Anna might have been released/resurrected within that time span. We are not told whether she had informed the Cylon leadership of Sharon's presence.

*Either the scenes aren't in order or Baltar is not aware of what is going on. In the Gaeta-Baltar scene, Baltar says, "The Cylons have a nuke in this complex. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is getting off this planet alive unless I stop D'Anna." But this is after most of the civilian ships have already jumped.

*Further, until Hera is discovered by Baltar, Three is still looking to set off the nuke -- even though it is clear that the colonists are all long gone.
**It's possible Three wasn't seeking to set off the nuke, but said she was as a ruse to go seek answers about her premonitions concerning Hera.
*** Any nuke held by the Cylons would likely be stored somewhere inside the guarded Cylon perimeter. It appears that this Three made a beeline to the Oracle, and was upset that she was not there. While going through the tent, knocking things over, she is quoted as saying "frackking liar!".
*In general, the Cylons seem to have left the planet implausibly underguarded. Considering the strategic nature of the site, as well as the well-known fact that two battlestars remained at large, one would have expected the Cylons to have an overwhelming amount of protection for the planet -- perhaps dozens of basestars. Furthermore, it is hard to believe that the Cylons were not keeping closer tabs on the whereabouts of the launch keys.
**It has been established beforehand that the Cylons are overstretched with the occupation. This could account for the lack of protection. At any rate, four basestars against two battlestars is hardly an even match, let alone two half-strength battlestars.
***A Basestar does not seem to be a 1 to 1 match for a Battlestar. They lack offensive and defensive gun batteries, the ability to maneuver quickly, and have a critical design flaw that is easily exploited (central hub holding the six arms together). Basestars depend on missiles and large numbers of Raiders. Adama felt that the Galactica, even barely manned, could hold up to two Cylon Basestars.
****Additionally, RDM has mentioned in his podcasts that the Cylons do have major operations elsewhere hinting at future storylines in the season. It is possible that the Cylon higher command made a strategic decision to guard the planet with what they deemed the minimal required number of basestars to defend against 2 battlestars.
*****One may also be prone to over estimating the number of Basestars the Cylons own. When preparing the attack on the twelve colonies, the cylons knew that they had surprise and the backdoor computer viruse on the their side, as such they may not have produced a very large amount of basestars (Perhaps not even enough to match the numbers of battlestars the twelve colonies had). Furthermore, the knowledge that the colonials ignored where the Cylon homeworld is may have also played a part them having a smaller fleet. If, for some reason, the attack failed, the cylons could simply retreat and bide their time before trying again. After all, when one is sure he can render his enemy defenseless, theres no real need to produce a pointlessly large army.
*With the former crew of ''Pegasus'' onboard ''Galactica'' now, the ship has something close to its standard crew size. (''Galactica's'' crew was deduced to be 2,693 in the episode "[[Water]]", and ''Pegasus's'' was introduced with a crew count of 1,752 in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" (see [[Crew tally]]). William Adama notes that over half of the crew has settled on [[New Caprica]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and Lee confirms that both ships are at half-strength in "[[Occupation]]".) Military operations should be much smoother now, and repairs to the ship in general are more feasible.
**However, many repairs, such as structural, will require shipyard or dockyard facilities equiped with replacement parts and heavy repair machinery required for such repairs, and these facilities are no longer available. The ''Galactica'' may never again be the fighting force that it once was.
*While the combination of the ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' air groups give the latter battlestar a full-strength fighter wing, the Fleet has suffered the loss of its most advanced and best-armed warship. With it also went the capability to build replacement Vipers, unless one of the civilian ships can be converted for such a purpose. Defensively, the Fleet is pretty much back to the position it was in when it left the Colonies.
**However, the Galactica did take significant structural damage during the conflict, therefore, it currently isn't in the same state of battle readiness as it was at the time it left the Colonies.
*It appears during the whole conflict in atmospheric combat that the Raiders were spending most of their time running from the Vipers. This may be due to the fact that Colonial Vipers have a far superior atmospheric design where Raiders are optimized for space operations. The Viper has a stabilizing vertical wing which aids the pilot in manuevering through the atmosphere just like all real-life combat aircraft. The Raider lacks this stabilizer wing much reducing their effectiveness in aeronautic combat and manuevering thrusters are not as effective in air as in space due to resistance. This made the tactic of depositing the ''Galactica's'' Vipers into a solely air-support role for evacuating ships very effective once the Space-borne Raiders were decoyed away from the planet so that the ''Galactica'' only had to face the Basestars, not the Raiders.
*''Pegasus'' seemed to fulfill its role just like the [[Pegasus (TOS)|original ''Pegasus'']], as it fought to the end to defeat two basetars and allowed ''Galactica'' along with the last of the fleet to escape from the Cylons.

== Notes ==

* There is also a TOS comic named ''[[Exodus!]]''
* Both parts of "Exodus" were originally planned as one episode. However, it was quickly realized that the story was far too large for one episode and it was split in two. This happened before with "[[Scattered]]" and "[[Valley of Darkness]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship]]." It also helped save money because the construction of New Caprica, the extensive location shooting, the number of actors, as well as the special effects for "Exodus, Part II" were very expensive and the production was over budget.
* Apparently, the viper Mk.VIIs deployed by Galactica in this episode have a yellow engine-glow instead of their usual blue. This may be a visual-effects-gaffe or the engines may have been effected by the nebular gas or even using a diffrent type of fuel or engine.
* The moment where Lee pauses to look back at the ''Pegasus'' CIC and says "thank you" references a parallel moment in the [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ds9 Deep Space Nine] episode [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Changing_Face_of_Evil "The Changing Face of Evil"], in which, after the doomed Defiant is ordered evacuated, Captain Sisko takes a long look back at his ruined bridge. As with the ''Pegasus'', in the next shot, the ship is destroyed. Bradley Thompson and David Weddle, who wrote of "Exodus, Part II", were staff writers on DS9.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Discussing the failure of the occupation:''
:'''Number Three''': What would you have us do, Gaius?
:'''Gaius Baltar''': Leave. Pack up your centurions, and go. Please. Go.
:'''Number Three''': And then what? What would you do if we really just left you here? You'd live out your lives in peace and never trouble yourselves with thoughts of us again? Or would you raise your children with stories of the Cylon, the mechanical slaves who once did your bidding, only to turn against you? Killers who committed genocide against your race, the occupiers of this city until we just ran away? Would you tell them to tell the story to their children, and to their childrens' children, and nurse a dream of vengeance down through the years so that one day they could just go out into the stars and hunt the Cylon once more?
:'''Gaius Baltar''': Blood for blood ...has to stop one day.

*''Roslin heads to Colonial One''
:'''Roslin''': My ship's up there.
:'''Zarek''': You sure have a sense of the dramatic.

*''Adama comes to accept ''Galactica'''s end''
:'''Admiral Adama:''' Then that's it. It's been an honor.

*''After Hearing Pegasus Has Joined Galactica
:'''Admiral William Adama''': Damn You, Lee ...Thank You, Lee.

*''The Pegasus is evacuated before its destruction''
:'''Dualla:''' Alright, people, let's move. Out! Let's go. (To Lee): You too, Commander.
:'''Commander Lee Adama:''' Yes, sir. (Begins to leave, then stops and looks around at Pegasus): Thank you.

*''As the two Adamas reunite after the battle:''
:'''Admiral William Adama''': I guess you didn't understand my orders.
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': I never could read your handwriting.

*''Adama welcomes Col. Tigh back to ''Galactica''
:'''Adama:''' You did it, Saul. You brought them back.
:'''Tigh:''' Not all of them.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]

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| title= Exodus, Part II
| image=TighAdamaReunion.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 4
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
| writer= [[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director= [[Félix Enríquez Alcalá]]
| production= 304
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-20
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population=
| prev= [[Exodus, Part I]]
| next= [[Collaborators]]
}}

== Overview ==

:''Commander [[Lee Adama]] of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)| Pegasus]]'' has serious doubts about the success of the [[New Caprica]] rescue mission by ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. On New Caprica, [[Saul Tigh]] decides the consequences for his [[Ellen Tigh |wife's]] betrayal of [[The Resistance | the Resistance]]. Aboard ''Galactica'', Admiral [[William Adama]] executes a dramatic rescue plan.''

== Summary ==

*On ''Pegasus'', [[Lee Adama]] and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] talk of ''[[Galactica]]'s'' mission. Adama worries heavily that Admiral Adama's mission will fail and of what future responsibilities he may have as the leader of the rest of mankind. His wife tells him to not give up hope.
*On New Caprica, [[Samuel Anders]] confronts [[Saul Tigh]] about [[Ellen Tigh|his wife Ellen's]] betrayal and tells him that either Tigh "takes care" of Ellen, or someone else less sympathetic will do so.
*Ellen Tigh explains her recent actions, that she would do absolutely anything to save Saul, including betraying the resistance. Tigh consoles her and provides her a drink when she asks. She falls unconscious, her drink having been poisoned by her husband. He says that he loves her, rests his head on her corpse, and weeps.
*On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Gaius Baltar]] tells the Cylons that they have failed in their experiment and suggests the Cylons simply leave. A [[Number Three|Three]] voices the concern that one day the descendants of mankind might exact vengeance upon the Cylons, should they be left to their own devices.
[[Image:Saulellen.jpg|Saul handing Ellen her poisoned drink.|thumb]]

*Suddenly, dozens of explosions can be felt and seen. The [[Battle of New Caprica]] has begun.
*Anders and the resistance team has set a series of explosions that mimic a Colonial attack and causes chaos. [[Tory Foster]] commands a team of section leaders in the evacuation and orders [[Maya]] to head for her ship with [[Hera|Isis]].
*Anders and a large group of resistance fighters retrieve weapons from beneath the [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] court to rescue the detainees in the [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]].
*In space above New Caprica, ''Galactica'' deploys a squadron of Raptors and Vipers. The Raptors launch [[swallow]]s to mimic the EM signature of two Colonial battlestars. The Cylons pick them up and fall for the ruse, moving two basestars with their Raiders away from the planet.
*When [[Leoben Conoy]] leaves the residence inside the Detention Center to aid with the fighting, he keeps [[Kara Thrace]] inside. She assaults him and tries to escape, but he knocks her unconscious.
*[[Tom Zarek]] tasks [[James Lyman|Jammer]] to protect [[Laura Roslin]] as she makes her way to ''Colonial One''.
*At the entrance to the shipyard, where the Cylons keep the grounded Colonial vessels, a team under Tigh and [[Galen Tyrol]] are pinned down by [[Cylon Centurion]]s.
*The Cylons detect the decoy drones, but ''Galactica'' jumps into the planet's upper atmosphere and plunges rapidly towards the planet. Mid-descent, ''Galactica'' launches its Vipers. Before colliding with the ground, the ship jumps back into space. The Vipers begin to attack targets on the ground and clear the way.
*As others are freed from the Detention Center, Anders finds his unconscious wife and carries her away, but when Thrace awakens, she goes back to retrieve [[Kacey]].
*The battle is turning against ''Galactica''. Her FTL drives are down, weapons are offline and there is heavy structural damage from the atmospheric entry. Four Cylon basestars are closing in and the battlestar is soon bombarded from all sides with no hope of survival. At that moment ''Pegasus'' joins the battle, Lee Adama having disobeyed his father's orders. He opens fire with the forward batteries and destroys one basestar in the opening salvo.
*The Cylons realize that they have lost and decide to evacuate the planet. [[Number Three]] volunteers to stay behind and set off the nuclear weapon that was left in the city for such a contingency. She offers Baltar a place with the Cylons and leaves.
*The Colonial ships initiate intra-atmosphere [[FTL|jumps]] from New Caprica as soon as they become airborne.
*''Pegasus'' is heavily bombarded by missiles, having left all of her Vipers back with the rest of the civilian Fleet. Admiral Adama realizes that his son has planned a one-way mission for ''Pegasus'', and orders recall of ''Galactica's'' fighters.
*On ''Colonial One'', [[Felix Gaeta]] accuses Baltar at gunpoint of having betrayed everyone. Gaeta admits his guilt in idealistically believing in Baltar's initial vision, but realized in the end that Baltar was only thinking about himself. Baltar admits his own guilt and begs Gaeta to shoot him. However, Gaeta relents, giving Baltar a final chance to redeem himself: stop Three from setting off the nuclear bomb.
*With ''Pegasus'' dying, Lee Adama orders everyone to abandon ship. He sets the ship [[CBDR]] with a basestar as the last of the crew leaves in Raptors. ''Pegasus’'' collision destroys another basestar. The remains of ''Pegasus’'' starboard [[flight pod]] collides with and destroy another basestar.
*Kara Thrace retrieves Kacey, but Conoy has returned and confronts her. She appears to give in to his demands, says "I love you," and kisses him. However, Thrace uses the diversion to stab him. She picks up Kacey and leaves with Anders.
*Three searches [[Dodona Selloi]]'s tent, but the [[oracle]] has left. Outside, [[Caprica-Six]] and Baltar find Hera next to [[Maya]]'s body, still alive. Three arrives, asks to hold the child, and leaves with her. [[Caprica-Six]] says Three no longer intends to detonate the nuke, then leaves the planet with Baltar.
*Laura Roslin and a group of resistance fighters enter the now abandoned ''Colonial One'' and are the last ship to leave the planet.
*On ''Galactica'', many people are reunited as Tyrol immediately takes charge of ushering the incoming refugees. When Thrace shows Kacey to Tyrol, another woman walks by and recognizes the girl as her daughter, whom the Cylons had taken away. The mother thanks Thrace for rescuing Kacey. Thrace is shocked by the relevation that Kacey is not her daughter after all, but gives her up.
*Admiral Adama welcomes Tigh back aboard, and tells him he brought everyone back. Tigh quietly replies, "[[Ellen Tigh|Not all of them]]." The colonists in ''Galactica's'' [[hangar deck]] begin chanting "A-dam-a, A-dam-a..." and carry the admiral on their shoulders. Adama turns to see Tigh wandering off, numbed with grief.
*Tory Foster tells Roslin that neither Maya nor Hera can be found, and it seems likely neither made it off the planet. Foster apologizes, but Roslin muses that this was part of something bigger than them.
*Admiral Adama shaves off his mustache and returns to a fully staffed [[CIC]], aboard the now very loud, bustling corridors of ''Galactica''.

== Questions ==

*With Baltar missing at the conclusion of this episode, who will become the President of the Twelve Colonies?
**[[Tom Zarek]], as Vice President, seems to have the best claim. Since he chose to become a political prisoner rather than collaborate with the Cylons, he has probably retained his good standing in the public eye. If Baltar had him removed from office, he could probably make a good case that such an action was illegal.
**Laura Roslin's decision to evacuate on Colonial One may not have been an expression of her intent to claim the presidency. Colonial One had been her home for the first nine months that the fleet spent on the run. Zarek may have deliberately opted to evacuate aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' for non-political reasons, as he previously served as a leader and representative of that vessel and her passengers.
**However, [[Saul Tigh]] seemed to expect that Roslin would assume the presidency ([[Precipice]]), and when boarding Colonial One, she makes herself at home at Baltar's desk as if she intends to do so.
**The Colonial Government has scheduled elections ([[Bastille Day]]), although it has also called special elections before ([[Colonial Day]]). As of this episode, it has been about a year and five months since the last presidential election, so it is unlikely that another is scheduled in the near future.
*What will be the final disposition of the ''Pegasus'' officers, and the former military personnel who have returned from New Caprica?
**Saul Tigh's injuries may prevent him from resuming his post as XO of ''Galactica''. Additionally, he has been outranked by [[Lee Adama]] since "[[The Captain's Hand]]".
**Lee Adama's command, the ''Pegasus'', has been destroyed. Given Tigh's incapacity, he may begin service as XO of ''Galactica''. He has also expressed dissatisfaction with his military career ([[Final Cut]]) and may wish to retire from fleet service, or resume his earlier duties of military liaison to the civilian government.
**It will be difficult to justify replacing [[Louanne Katraine]] as CAG, given the length of her service since the foundation of New Caprica, and her skill as a pilot, shown to have rivaled or outstripped even that of Kara Thrace by the time of "[[Scar]]".
**[[Kara Thrace]] is separated from Fleet service, and although she will probably return to active duty, it is unlikely that she will resume her former duty position as CAG, ''Galactica'' so long as Katraine is serving competently in that position.
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] is now an officer, and will not be expected to resume NCO-level tasks. [[Hoshi]] held her former position on ''Pegasus'', and is now available to serve on ''Galactica''.
**[[Felix Gaeta]] is separated, and will have to answer for the crimes of Baltar's administration, despite his covert affiliation with the resistance. [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Aaron Kelly]] have both been shown performing Gaeta's duties in CIC on ''Galactica'', and one of them may replace him.
**[[Cally Tyrol]], [[Galen Tyrol]], or both may choose to remain separated (from fleet service) to raise their son, Nicholas. We have not yet seen young children being raised on board ''Galactica'', although there is a [[Boxey (RDM)|precedent]] for keeping a civilian minor onboard.
**We may also see characters assume roles not previously shown onboard ''Galactica''.
*What consequences will Ellen Tigh's death have for her husband?
**Will Saul Tigh again drink to excess?
***A Chicago Tribune interview with Ron Moore answers this.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/10/battlestar_gala.html|title=Chicago Tribune|date=October 2, 2006|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=en}}</ref>
*What equipment and personnel were left behind on [[New Caprica]]?
**In order to build [[New Caprica City]], the ships were at least partially stripped and supplies were offloaded.
**Medical supplies were running low as of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", although apparently the colonists were resupplied by the Cylons.
**Are there any people alive remaining on New Caprica after the exodus, due to wounds or infirmity? Were there any detention facilities which the [[New Caprica Resistance]] failed to liberate? Did anyone besides [[Gaius Baltar]] stay behind willingly?
*If the civilian ships only needed to get a few hundred feet off the ground in order to use their FTL drives and escape, why do ''Galcatica'' and ''Pegasus'' need to engage the basestars? Is this just to keep the Raiders, Heavy Raiders, and missiles from being used on the civilian fleet, on the surface below? (Note: it is not in dispute that having ''Galactica'' launch its fighters within the atmosphere is important so they could attack the Centurions and few raiders there.)
**As with the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the Cylons could destroy the city with a single nuclear bomb in orbit. The plan appears to force the Cylons to be too distracted by the battlestar's offenses (Raptors at first, then the battlestar itself) to worry about the actions on the planet. ''Galactica'' jumps intra-atmosphere to minimize detection by the basestars.
**As part of Adama's strategy, after the intra-atmospheric jump, he probably wanted to jump the Galactica to the lowest possible orbit such that when the planetary rescue effort was complete that he could recover the vipers in the shortest possible time. To jump the Galactica to an extremely high orbit could add hours to viper recovery and allowing far too much time for Basestars and Raiders alike to close into their position.
*Will Gaeta be the target of persecution or assassination as a collaborator? Or will people believe in him when he is found out to be the secret informant?
*Will [[Cally Tyrol]] identify Jammer as the NCP officer who released her, based on his voice?
*''Galactica's'' escape seems questionable. Most or all of ''Galactica's'' Vipers were launched during the atmospheric maneuver. Later, after the four basestars start pummelling ''Galactica'', its situation is dire, facing explosive decompressions and with its FTL disabled. Adama says, "Then that's it. It's been an honor." ''Pegasus'' immediately appears and uses its superior weaponry to engage the basestars, destroying one in the first volley, so Adama orders the FTL to be fixed. Soon, Helo reports that most of the civilian ships have jumped, that FTL is back online, and that ''Pegasus'' is taking "a hell of a pounding." Adama orders his Vipers to land so that ''Galactica'' can leave. The next shot is Vipers landing, but weren't they all at the surface? How long does it take a Viper to climb into orbit? Real-world atmospheric escapes take several minutes, at least. How much damage were the basestars and battlestars doing to each other in this time?
**We aren't seeing events in real-time. Several minutes can lie between scenes that appear to happen right after another. Sometimes it is simply necessary to compress things in order to fit them into one episode.
**There may be several key differences at play between an escape from New Caprica's atmosphere and a real-world atmospheric departure, such as a lower [[Wikipedia:Karman line|atmospheric boundary]], more powerful thrusters on the Vipers, etc.
***In a real-world example, the [[Wikipedia:Space Shuttle|Space Shuttle]] takes approximately 10 minutes to attain escape velocity. The length of this time is partly due to the fact that the Space Shuttle's engines are occassionally throttled back to keep acceleration below 3 G to reduce discomfort to the crew. Additionally, typically it takes several hours for the Space Shuttle to attain the same orbit as the [[Wikipedia:International Space Station|ISS]]. For convenience of fiction, from the time of escape velocity of the vipers to attaining the same orbit of the Galactica could be said to be several minutes. Therefore, the entire sequence probably took in real-time 1/2 hour from the time the order was given by Adama to retrieve the Vipers to the time that all Vipers were aboard the Galactica. This is not taking into account that all craft can't land simultaneously on a carrier. The Pegasus probably took a pounding from 1/2 to 1 hour from the 3 remaining Basestars before it reached its final demise, a process that was beyond the timeframe of the show.
***Also, the Vipers might already have been en route to Galactica by the time Adama gives the order to "bring them home." That order might have referred to landing them. (The combat-landing shot, fwiw, was recycled from the mini-series.)
*Why did Kara Thrace wait so long to stab Leoben? She could have done it before even kissing him.
**Possibly, Thrace intended to insult to injury by her quick betrayal, but also, she needed to ensure that the Cylon agent was completely off his guard.
**It's also possible she is not as strong as we think, and truly felt something for Leoben in those few moments.
***That seems unlikely considering that after she shoved a 6" blade into his belly, she watched his face as she twisted it. That would be taken as an indication of extreme hatred by most people.
**She does, of course, have a well-demonstrated flair for the dramatic.
*What about the Cylons, such as Leoben, who were killed during the insurection? If they were dependant on a resurrection facility on New Caprica, is said facility still operational? If not, is there a resurrection ship in range?
*What, besides ''Galactica'' and her crew, was gained by the sacrifice of ''Pegasus''? Most of the civilian ships had already jumped to safety, and ''Pegasus'' did not bring any Vipers along to escort the remainder, opting instead to leave them to defend the small civilian fleet it had been protecting. If nothing was gained besides the survival of ''Galactica'', the sacrifice was a costly and foolish mistake - the fleet has lost the more advanced of its two battlestars, and along with it, its ability to manufacture new Vipers ([[Scar]]).
**From a purely military mission perspective that is correct. ''Pegasus''' intervention seems to have been made solely because of the personal feelings of its commander. For the Cylons, the destruction of Pegasus and the retrieval of Hera compensate to an extent for the loss of three base stars and 39,000 human prisoners.
** Actually the mission was to rescue the 39,000 humans, the bulk of the survivors of the human race. The military perspective would be the sacrifice was worth the loss (though it would have been better, perhaps, if ''Galactica'' would have done the suicide run). It seems, though, that ''Pegasus'' would have jumped out if it could do so, but the ship lost its FTL drive during the pounding. This seems to happen relatively frequently for heavily defended warships designed to engage in brutal combat -- both Battlestars lost FTL during this battle. Also, ''Galactica's'' facilities to manufacture Vipers may have been greatly improved during the year at New Caprica.
** From a tactical point of view, the survival of Admiral Adama, the best tactician in the rag-tag fleet, was more important that the survival of the superior battlestar.
** All of which raises the question of whether the loss of the ''Pegasus'' could have been averted had Lee gone along with the rescue plan in the first place, rather than arriving at the halfway mark.
* Now that ''Galactica'' is carrying the Viper squadrons from both battlestars, will the starboard flight pod be returned to service?

== Analysis ==

*There is a major plot hole concerning the continuity of the story from Exodus, Part I. In Part I, D'Anna sees Caprica-Sharon in the detention center and is shot by her. Yet in Part II, D'Anna is in Colonial One, apparently unharmed, and has not alerted the Cylons to Sharon's presence.
**That is a different D'Anna. You'll note the D'Anna in Colonial One before the attack is wearing all black, whereas the D'Anna that encountered Sharon typically wears lighter colors. The two D'Annas are seen together in The Occupation.

*Either the scenes aren't in order or Baltar is not aware of what is going on. In the Gaeta-Baltar scene, Baltar says, "The Cylons have a nuke in this complex. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is getting off this planet alive unless I stop D'Anna." But this is after most of the civilian ships have already jumped.

*Further, until Hera is discovered by Baltar, Three is still looking to set off the nuke -- even though it is clear that the colonists are all long gone.
**It's possible Three wasn't seeking to set off the nuke, but said she was as a ruse to go seek answers about her premonitions concerning Hera.
*** Any nuke held by the Cylons would likely be stored somewhere inside the guarded Cylon perimeter. It appears that this Three made a beeline to the Oracle, and was upset that she was not there. While going through the tent, knocking things over, she is quoted as saying "frackking liar!".
*In general, the Cylons seem to have left the planet implausibly underguarded. Considering the strategic nature of the site, as well as the well-known fact that two battlestars remained at large, one would have expected the Cylons to have an overwhelming amount of protection for the planet -- perhaps dozens of basestars. Furthermore, it is hard to believe that the Cylons were not keeping closer tabs on the whereabouts of the launch keys.
**It has been established beforehand that the Cylons are overstretched with the occupation. This could account for the lack of protection. At any rate, four basestars against two battlestars is hardly an even match, let alone two half-strength battlestars.
***A Basestar does not seem to be a 1 to 1 match for a Battlestar. They lack offensive and defensive gun batteries, the ability to maneuver quickly, and have a critical design flaw that is easily exploited (central hub holding the six arms together). Basestars depend on missiles and large numbers of Raiders. Adama felt that the Galactica, even barely manned, could hold up to two Cylon Basestars.
****Additionally, RDM has mentioned in his podcasts that the Cylons do have major operations elsewhere hinting at future storylines in the season. It is possible that the Cylon higher command made a strategic decision to guard the planet with what they deemed the minimal required number of basestars to defend against 2 battlestars.
*****One may also be prone to over estimating the number of Basestars the Cylons own. When preparing the attack on the twelve colonies, the cylons knew that they had surprise and the backdoor computer viruse on the their side, as such they may not have produced a very large amount of basestars (Perhaps not even enough to match the numbers of battlestars the twelve colonies had). Furthermore, the knowledge that the colonials ignored where the Cylon homeworld is may have also played a part them having a smaller fleet. If, for some reason, the attack failed, the cylons could simply retreat and bide their time before trying again. After all, when one is sure he can render his enemy defenseless, theres no real need to produce a pointlessly large army.
*With the former crew of ''Pegasus'' onboard ''Galactica'' now, the ship has something close to its standard crew size. (''Galactica's'' crew was deduced to be 2,693 in the episode "[[Water]]", and ''Pegasus's'' was introduced with a crew count of 1,752 in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" (see [[Crew tally]]). William Adama notes that over half of the crew has settled on [[New Caprica]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and Lee confirms that both ships are at half-strength in "[[Occupation]]".) Military operations should be much smoother now, and repairs to the ship in general are more feasible.
**However, many repairs, such as structural, will require shipyard or dockyard facilities equiped with replacement parts and heavy repair machinery required for such repairs, and these facilities are no longer available. The ''Galactica'' may never again be the fighting force that it once was.
*While the combination of the ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' air groups give the latter battlestar a full-strength fighter wing, the Fleet has suffered the loss of its most advanced and best-armed warship. With it also went the capability to build replacement Vipers, unless one of the civilian ships can be converted for such a purpose. Defensively, the Fleet is pretty much back to the position it was in when it left the Colonies.
**However, the Galactica did take significant structural damage during the conflict, therefore, it currently isn't in the same state of battle readiness as it was at the time it left the Colonies.
*It appears during the whole conflict in atmospheric combat that the Raiders were spending most of their time running from the Vipers. This may be due to the fact that Colonial Vipers have a far superior atmospheric design where Raiders are optimized for space operations. The Viper has a stabilizing vertical wing which aids the pilot in manuevering through the atmosphere just like all real-life combat aircraft. The Raider lacks this stabilizer wing much reducing their effectiveness in aeronautic combat and manuevering thrusters are not as effective in air as in space due to resistance. This made the tactic of depositing the ''Galactica's'' Vipers into a solely air-support role for evacuating ships very effective once the Space-borne Raiders were decoyed away from the planet so that the ''Galactica'' only had to face the Basestars, not the Raiders.
*''Pegasus'' seemed to fulfill its role just like the [[Pegasus (TOS)|original ''Pegasus'']], as it fought to the end to defeat two basetars and allowed ''Galactica'' along with the last of the fleet to escape from the Cylons.

== Notes ==

* There is also a TOS comic named ''[[Exodus!]]''
* Both parts of "Exodus" were originally planned as one episode. However, it was quickly realized that the story was far too large for one episode and it was split in two. This happened before with "[[Scattered]]" and "[[Valley of Darkness]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship]]." It also helped save money because the construction of New Caprica, the extensive location shooting, the number of actors, as well as the special effects for "Exodus, Part II" were very expensive and the production was over budget.
* Apparently, the viper Mk.VIIs deployed by Galactica in this episode have a yellow engine-glow instead of their usual blue. This may be a visual-effects-gaffe or the engines may have been effected by the nebular gas or even using a diffrent type of fuel or engine.
* The moment where Lee pauses to look back at the ''Pegasus'' CIC and says thank-you references a parallel moment in the [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ds9 Deep Space Nine] episode [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Changing_Face_of_Evil The Changing Face of Evil], in which, after the doomed Defiant is ordered evacuated, Captain Sisko takes a long look back at his ruined bridge. As with the ''Pegasus'', in the next shot, the ship is destroyed. Bradley Thompson and David Weddle, who wrote of Exodus, Part II, were staff writers on DS9.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Discussing the failure of the occupation:''
:'''Number Three''': What would you have us do, Gaius?
:'''Gaius Baltar''': Leave. Pack up your centurions, and go. Please. Go.
:'''Number Three''': And then what? What would you do if we really just left you here? You'd live out your lives in peace and never trouble yourselves with thoughts of us again? Or would you raise your children with stories of the Cylon, the mechanical slaves who once did your bidding, only to turn against you? Killers who committed genocide against your race, the occupiers of this city until we just ran away? Would you tell them to tell the story to their children, and to their childrens' children, and nurse a dream of vengeance down through the years so that one day they could just go out into the stars and hunt the Cylon once more?
:'''Gaius Baltar''': Blood for blood ...has to stop one day.

*''Roslin heads to Colonial One''
:'''Roslin''': My ship's up there.
:'''Zarek''': You sure have a sense of the dramatic.

*''Adama comes to accept ''Galactica'''s end''
:'''Admiral Adama:''' Then that's it. It's been an honor.

*''After Hearing Pegasus Has Joined Galactica
:'''Admiral William Adama''': Damn You, Lee ...Thank You, Lee.

*''The Pegasus is evacuated before its destruction''
:'''Dualla:''' Alright, people, let's move. Out! Let's go. (To Lee): You too, Commander.
:'''Commander Lee Adama:''' Yes, sir. (Begins to leave, then stops and looks around at Pegasus): Thank you.

*''As the two Adamas reunite after the battle:''
:'''Admiral William Adama''': I guess you didn't understand my orders.
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': I never could read your handwriting.

*''Adama welcomes Col. Tigh back to ''Galactica''
:'''Adama:''' You did it, Saul. You brought them back.
:'''Tigh:''' Not all of them.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]

== References ==
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Exodus, Part II

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| image=TighAdamaReunion.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 4
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
| writer= [[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
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| director= [[Félix Enríquez Alcalá]]
| production= 304
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| US airdate= 2006-10-20
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| prev= [[Exodus, Part I]]
| next= [[Collaborators]]
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== Overview ==

:''Commander [[Lee Adama]] of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)| Pegasus]]'' has serious doubts about the success of the [[New Caprica]] rescue mission by ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. On New Caprica, [[Saul Tigh]] decides the consequences for his [[Ellen Tigh |wife's]] betrayal of [[The Resistance | the Resistance]]. Aboard ''Galactica'', Admiral [[William Adama]] executes a dramatic rescue plan.''

== Summary ==

*On ''Pegasus'', [[Lee Adama]] and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] talk of ''[[Galactica]]'s'' mission. Adama worries heavily that Admiral Adama's mission will fail and of what future responsibilities he may have as the leader of the rest of mankind. His wife tells him to not give up hope.
*On New Caprica, [[Samuel Anders]] confronts [[Saul Tigh]] about [[Ellen Tigh|his wife Ellen's]] betrayal and tells him that either Tigh "takes care" of Ellen, or someone else less sympathetic will do so.
*Ellen Tigh explains her recent actions, that she would do absolutely anything to save Saul, including betraying the resistance. Tigh consoles her and provides her a drink when she asks. She falls unconscious, her drink having been poisoned by her husband. He says that he loves her, rests his head on her corpse, and weeps.
*On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Gaius Baltar]] tells the Cylons that they have failed in their experiment and suggests the Cylons simply leave. A [[Number Three|Three]] voices the concern that one day the descendants of mankind might exact vengeance upon the Cylons, should they be left to their own devices.
[[Image:Saulellen.jpg|Saul handing Ellen her poisoned drink.|thumb]]

*Suddenly, dozens of explosions can be felt and seen. The [[Battle of New Caprica]] has begun.
*Anders and the resistance team has set a series of explosions that mimic a Colonial attack and causes chaos. [[Tory Foster]] commands a team of section leaders in the evacuation and orders [[Maya]] to head for her ship with [[Hera|Isis]].
*Anders and a large group of resistance fighters retrieve weapons from beneath the [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] court to rescue the detainees in the [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]].
*In space above New Caprica, ''Galactica'' deploys a squadron of Raptors and Vipers. The Raptors launch [[swallow]]s to mimic the EM signature of two Colonial battlestars. The Cylons pick them up and fall for the ruse, moving two basestars with their Raiders away from the planet.
*When [[Leoben Conoy]] leaves the residence inside the Detention Center to aid with the fighting, he keeps [[Kara Thrace]] inside. She assaults him and tries to escape, but he knocks her unconscious.
*[[Tom Zarek]] tasks [[James Lyman|Jammer]] to protect [[Laura Roslin]] as she makes her way to ''Colonial One''.
*At the entrance to the shipyard, where the Cylons keep the grounded Colonial vessels, a team under Tigh and [[Galen Tyrol]] are pinned down by [[Cylon Centurion]]s.
*The Cylons detect the decoy drones, but ''Galactica'' jumps into the planet's upper atmosphere and plunges rapidly towards the planet. Mid-descent, ''Galactica'' launches its Vipers. Before colliding with the ground, the ship jumps back into space. The Vipers begin to attack targets on the ground and clear the way.
*As others are freed from the Detention Center, Anders finds his unconscious wife and carries her away, but when Thrace awakens, she goes back to retrieve [[Kacey]].
*The battle is turning against ''Galactica''. Her FTL drives are down, weapons are offline and there is heavy structural damage from the atmospheric entry. Four Cylon basestars are closing in and the battlestar is soon bombarded from all sides with no hope of survival. At that moment ''Pegasus'' joins the battle, Lee Adama having disobeyed his father's orders. He opens fire with the forward batteries and destroys one basestar in the opening salvo.
*The Cylons realize that they have lost and decide to evacuate the planet. [[Number Three]] volunteers to stay behind and set off the nuclear weapon that was left in the city for such a contingency. She offers Baltar a place with the Cylons and leaves.
*The Colonial ships initiate intra-atmosphere [[FTL|jumps]] from New Caprica as soon as they become airborne.
*''Pegasus'' is heavily bombarded by missiles, having left all of her Vipers back with the rest of the civilian Fleet. Admiral Adama realizes that his son has planned a one-way mission for ''Pegasus'', and orders recall of ''Galactica's'' fighters.
*On ''Colonial One'', [[Felix Gaeta]] accuses Baltar at gunpoint of having betrayed everyone. Gaeta admits his guilt in idealistically believing in Baltar's initial vision, but realized in the end that Baltar was only thinking about himself. Baltar admits his own guilt and begs Gaeta to shoot him. However, Gaeta relents, giving Baltar a final chance to redeem himself: stop Three from setting off the nuclear bomb.
*With ''Pegasus'' dying, Lee Adama orders everyone to abandon ship. He sets the ship [[CBDR]] with a basestar as the last of the crew leaves in Raptors. ''Pegasus’'' collision destroys another basestar. The remains of ''Pegasus’'' starboard [[flight pod]] collides with and destroy another basestar.
*Kara Thrace retrieves Kacey, but Conoy has returned and confronts her. She appears to give in to his demands, says "I love you," and kisses him. However, Thrace uses the diversion to stab him. She picks up Kacey and leaves with Anders.
*Three searches [[Dodona Selloi]]'s tent, but the [[oracle]] has left. Outside, [[Caprica-Six]] and Baltar find Hera next to [[Maya]]'s body, still alive. Three arrives, asks to hold the child, and leaves with her. [[Caprica-Six]] says Three no longer intends to detonate the nuke, then leaves the planet with Baltar.
*Laura Roslin and a group of resistance fighters enter the now abandoned ''Colonial One'' and are the last ship to leave the planet.
*On ''Galactica'', many people are reunited as Tyrol immediately takes charge of ushering the incoming refugees. When Thrace shows Kacey to Tyrol, another woman walks by and recognizes the girl as her daughter, whom the Cylons had taken away. The mother thanks Thrace for rescuing Kacey. Thrace is shocked by the relevation that Kacey is not her daughter after all, but gives her up.
*Admiral Adama welcomes Tigh back aboard, and tells him he brought everyone back. Tigh quietly replies, "[[Ellen Tigh|Not all of them]]." The colonists in ''Galactica's'' [[hangar deck]] begin chanting "A-dam-a, A-dam-a..." and carry the admiral on their shoulders. Adama turns to see Tigh wandering off, numbed with grief.
*Tory Foster tells Roslin that neither Maya nor Hera can be found, and it seems likely neither made it off the planet. Foster apologizes, but Roslin muses that this was part of something bigger than them.
*Admiral Adama shaves off his mustache and returns to a fully staffed [[CIC]], aboard the now very loud, bustling corridors of ''Galactica''.

== Questions ==

*With Baltar missing at the conclusion of this episode, who will become the President of the Twelve Colonies?
**[[Tom Zarek]], as Vice President, seems to have the best claim. Since he chose to become a political prisoner rather than collaborate with the Cylons, he has probably retained his good standing in the public eye. If Baltar had him removed from office, he could probably make a good case that such an action was illegal.
**Laura Roslin's decision to evacuate on Colonial One may not have been an expression of her intent to claim the presidency. Colonial One had been her home for the first nine months that the fleet spent on the run. Zarek may have deliberately opted to evacuate aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' for non-political reasons, as he previously served as a leader and representative of that vessel and her passengers.
**However, [[Saul Tigh]] seemed to expect that Roslin would assume the presidency ([[Precipice]]), and when boarding Colonial One, she makes herself at home at Baltar's desk as if she intends to do so.
**The Colonial Government has scheduled elections ([[Bastille Day]]), although it has also called special elections before ([[Colonial Day]]). As of this episode, it has been about a year and five months since the last presidential election, so it is unlikely that another is scheduled in the near future.
*What will be the final disposition of the ''Pegasus'' officers, and the former military personnel who have returned from New Caprica?
**Saul Tigh's injuries may prevent him from resuming his post as XO of ''Galactica''. Additionally, he has been outranked by [[Lee Adama]] since "[[The Captain's Hand]]".
**Lee Adama's command, the ''Pegasus'', has been destroyed. Given Tigh's incapacity, he may begin service as XO of ''Galactica''. He has also expressed dissatisfaction with his military career ([[Final Cut]]) and may wish to retire from fleet service, or resume his earlier duties of military liaison to the civilian government.
**It will be difficult to justify replacing [[Louanne Katraine]] as CAG, given the length of her service since the foundation of New Caprica, and her skill as a pilot, shown to have rivaled or outstripped even that of Kara Thrace by the time of "[[Scar]]".
**[[Kara Thrace]] is separated from Fleet service, and although she will probably return to active duty, it is unlikely that she will resume her former duty position as CAG, ''Galactica'' so long as Katraine is serving competently in that position.
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] is now an officer, and will not be expected to resume NCO-level tasks. [[Hoshi]] held her former position on ''Pegasus'', and is now available to serve on ''Galactica''.
**[[Felix Gaeta]] is separated, and will have to answer for the crimes of Baltar's administration, despite his covert affiliation with the resistance. [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Aaron Kelly]] have both been shown performing Gaeta's duties in CIC on ''Galactica'', and one of them may replace him.
**[[Cally Tyrol]], [[Galen Tyrol]], or both may choose to remain separated (from fleet service) to raise their son, Nicholas. We have not yet seen young children being raised on board ''Galactica'', although there is a [[Boxey (RDM)|precedent]] for keeping a civilian minor onboard.
**We may also see characters assume roles not previously shown onboard ''Galactica''.
*What consequences will Ellen Tigh's death have for her husband?
**Will Saul Tigh again drink to excess?
***A Chicago Tribune interview with Ron Moore answers this.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/10/battlestar_gala.html|title=Chicago Tribune|date=October 2, 2006|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=en}}</ref>
*What equipment and personnel were left behind on [[New Caprica]]?
**In order to build [[New Caprica City]], the ships were at least partially stripped and supplies were offloaded.
**Medical supplies were running low as of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", although apparently the colonists were resupplied by the Cylons.
**Are there any people alive remaining on New Caprica after the exodus, due to wounds or infirmity? Were there any detention facilities which the [[New Caprica Resistance]] failed to liberate? Did anyone besides [[Gaius Baltar]] stay behind willingly?
*If the civilian ships only needed to get a few hundred feet off the ground in order to use their FTL drives and escape, why do ''Galcatica'' and ''Pegasus'' need to engage the basestars? Is this just to keep the Raiders, Heavy Raiders, and missiles from being used on the civilian fleet, on the surface below? (Note: it is not in dispute that having ''Galactica'' launch its fighters within the atmosphere is important so they could attack the Centurions and few raiders there.)
**As with the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the Cylons could destroy the city with a single nuclear bomb in orbit. The plan appears to force the Cylons to be too distracted by the battlestar's offenses (Raptors at first, then the battlestar itself) to worry about the actions on the planet. ''Galactica'' jumps intra-atmosphere to minimize detection by the basestars.
**As part of Adama's strategy, after the intra-atmospheric jump, he probably wanted to jump the Galactica to the lowest possible orbit such that when the planetary rescue effort was complete that he could recover the vipers in the shortest possible time. To jump the Galactica to an extremely high orbit could add hours to viper recovery and allowing far too much time for Basestars and Raiders alike to close into their position.
*Will Gaeta be the target of persecution or assassination as a collaborator? Or will people believe in him when he is found out to be the secret informant?
*Will [[Cally Tyrol]] identify Jammer as the NCP officer who released her, based on his voice?
*''Galactica's'' escape seems questionable. Most or all of ''Galactica's'' Vipers were launched during the atmospheric maneuver. Later, after the four basestars start pummelling ''Galactica'', its situation is dire, facing explosive decompressions and with its FTL disabled. Adama says, "Then that's it. It's been an honor." ''Pegasus'' immediately appears and uses its superior weaponry to engage the basestars, destroying one in the first volley, so Adama orders the FTL to be fixed. Soon, Helo reports that most of the civilian ships have jumped, that FTL is back online, and that ''Pegasus'' is taking "a hell of a pounding." Adama orders his Vipers to land so that ''Galactica'' can leave. The next shot is Vipers landing, but weren't they all at the surface? How long does it take a Viper to climb into orbit? Real-world atmospheric escapes take several minutes, at least. How much damage were the basestars and battlestars doing to each other in this time?
**We aren't seeing events in real-time. Several minutes can lie between scenes that appear to happen right after another. Sometimes it is simply necessary to compress things in order to fit them into one episode.
**There may be several key differences at play between an escape from New Caprica's atmosphere and a real-world atmospheric departure, such as a lower [[Wikipedia:Karman line|atmospheric boundary]], more powerful thrusters on the Vipers, etc.
***In a real-world example, the [[Wikipedia:Space Shuttle|Space Shuttle]] takes approximately 10 minutes to attain escape velocity. The length of this time is partly due to the fact that the Space Shuttle's engines are occassionally throttled back to keep acceleration below 3 G to reduce discomfort to the crew. Additionally, typically it takes several hours for the Space Shuttle to attain the same orbit as the [[Wikipedia:International Space Station|ISS]]. For convenience of fiction, from the time of escape velocity of the vipers to attaining the same orbit of the Galactica could be said to be several minutes. Therefore, the entire sequence probably took in real-time 1/2 hour from the time the order was given by Adama to retrieve the Vipers to the time that all Vipers were aboard the Galactica. This is not taking into account that all craft can't land simultaneously on a carrier. The Pegasus probably took a pounding from 1/2 to 1 hour from the 3 remaining Basestars before it reached its final demise, a process that was beyond the timeframe of the show.
***Also, the Vipers might already have been en route to Galactica by the time Adama gives the order to "bring them home." That order might have referred to landing them. (The combat-landing shot, fwiw, was recycled from the mini-series.)
*Why did Kara Thrace wait so long to stab Leoben? She could have done it before even kissing him.
**Possibly, Thrace intended to insult to injury by her quick betrayal, but also, she needed to ensure that the Cylon agent was completely off his guard.
**It's also possible she is not as strong as we think, and truly felt something for Leoben in those few moments.
**She does, of course, have a well-demonstrated flair for the dramatic.
*What about the Cylons, such as Leoben, who were killed during the insurection? If they were dependant on a resurrection facility on New Caprica, is said facility still operational? If not, is there a resurrection ship in range?
*What, besides ''Galactica'' and her crew, was gained by the sacrifice of ''Pegasus''? Most of the civilian ships had already jumped to safety, and ''Pegasus'' did not bring any Vipers along to escort the remainder, opting instead to leave them to defend the small civilian fleet it had been protecting. If nothing was gained besides the survival of ''Galactica'', the sacrifice was a costly and foolish mistake - the fleet has lost the more advanced of its two battlestars, and along with it, its ability to manufacture new Vipers ([[Scar]]).
**From a purely military mission perspective that is correct. ''Pegasus''' intervention seems to have been made solely because of the personal feelings of its commander. For the Cylons, the destruction of Pegasus and the retrieval of Hera compensate to an extent for the loss of three base stars and 39,000 human prisoners.
** Actually the mission was to rescue the 39,000 humans, the bulk of the survivors of the human race. The military perspective would be the sacrifice was worth the loss (though it would have been better, perhaps, if ''Galactica'' would have done the suicide run). It seems, though, that ''Pegasus'' would have jumped out if it could do so, but the ship lost its FTL drive during the pounding. This seems to happen relatively frequently for heavily defended warships designed to engage in brutal combat -- both Battlestars lost FTL during this battle. Also, ''Galactica's'' facilities to manufacture Vipers may have been greatly improved during the year at New Caprica.
** From a tactical point of view, the survival of Admiral Adama, the best tactician in the rag-tag fleet, was more important that the survival of the superior battlestar.
** All of which raises the question of whether the loss of the ''Pegasus'' could have been averted had Lee gone along with the rescue plan in the first place, rather than arriving at the halfway mark.
* Now that ''Galactica'' is carrying the Viper squadrons from both battlestars, will the starboard flight pod be returned to service?

== Analysis ==

*There is a major plot hole concerning the continuity of the story from Exodus, Part I. In Part I, D'Anna sees Caprica-Sharon in the detention center and is shot by her. Yet in Part II, D'Anna is in Colonial One, apparently unharmed, and has not alerted the Cylons to Sharon's presence.
**That is a different D'Anna. You'll note the D'Anna in Colonial One before the attack is wearing all black, whereas the D'Anna that encountered Sharon typically wears lighter colors. The two D'Annas are seen together in The Occupation.

*Either the scenes aren't in order or Baltar is not aware of what is going on. In the Gaeta-Baltar scene, Baltar says, "The Cylons have a nuke in this complex. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is getting off this planet alive unless I stop D'Anna." But this is after most of the civilian ships have already jumped.

*Further, until Hera is discovered by Baltar, Three is still looking to set off the nuke -- even though it is clear that the colonists are all long gone.
**It's possible Three wasn't seeking to set off the nuke, but said she was as a ruse to go seek answers about her premonitions concerning Hera.
*** Any nuke held by the Cylons would likely be stored somewhere inside the guarded Cylon perimeter. It appears that this Three made a beeline to the Oracle, and was upset that she was not there. While going through the tent, knocking things over, she is quoted as saying "frackking liar!".
*In general, the Cylons seem to have left the planet implausibly underguarded. Considering the strategic nature of the site, as well as the well-known fact that two battlestars remained at large, one would have expected the Cylons to have an overwhelming amount of protection for the planet -- perhaps dozens of basestars. Furthermore, it is hard to believe that the Cylons were not keeping closer tabs on the whereabouts of the launch keys.
**It has been established beforehand that the Cylons are overstretched with the occupation. This could account for the lack of protection. At any rate, four basestars against two battlestars is hardly an even match, let alone two half-strength battlestars.
***A Basestar does not seem to be a 1 to 1 match for a Battlestar. They lack offensive and defensive gun batteries, the ability to maneuver quickly, and have a critical design flaw that is easily exploited (central hub holding the six arms together). Basestars depend on missiles and large numbers of Raiders. Adama felt that the Galactica, even barely manned, could hold up to two Cylon Basestars.
****Additionally, RDM has mentioned in his podcasts that the Cylons do have major operations elsewhere hinting at future storylines in the season. It is possible that the Cylon higher command made a strategic decision to guard the planet with what they deemed the minimal required number of basestars to defend against 2 battlestars.
*****One may also be prone to over estimating the number of Basestars the Cylons own. When preparing the attack on the twelve colonies, the cylons knew that they had surprise and the backdoor computer viruse on the their side, as such they may not have produced a very large amount of basestars (Perhaps not even enough to match the numbers of battlestars the twelve colonies had). Furthermore, the knowledge that the colonials ignored where the Cylon homeworld is may have also played a part them having a smaller fleet. If, for some reason, the attack failed, the cylons could simply retreat and bide their time before trying again. After all, when one is sure he can render his enemy defenseless, theres no real need to produce a pointlessly large army.
*With the former crew of ''Pegasus'' onboard ''Galactica'' now, the ship has something close to its standard crew size. (''Galactica's'' crew was deduced to be 2,693 in the episode "[[Water]]", and ''Pegasus's'' was introduced with a crew count of 1,752 in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" (see [[Crew tally]]). William Adama notes that over half of the crew has settled on [[New Caprica]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and Lee confirms that both ships are at half-strength in "[[Occupation]]".) Military operations should be much smoother now, and repairs to the ship in general are more feasible.
**However, many repairs, such as structural, will require shipyard or dockyard facilities equiped with replacement parts and heavy repair machinery required for such repairs, and these facilities are no longer available. The ''Galactica'' may never again be the fighting force that it once was.
*While the combination of the ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' air groups give the latter battlestar a full-strength fighter wing, the Fleet has suffered the loss of its most advanced and best-armed warship. With it also went the capability to build replacement Vipers, unless one of the civilian ships can be converted for such a purpose. Defensively, the Fleet is pretty much back to the position it was in when it left the Colonies.
**However, the Galactica did take significant structural damage during the conflict, therefore, it currently isn't in the same state of battle readiness as it was at the time it left the Colonies.
*It appears during the whole conflict in atmospheric combat that the Raiders were spending most of their time running from the Vipers. This may be due to the fact that Colonial Vipers have a far superior atmospheric design where Raiders are optimized for space operations. The Viper has a stabilizing vertical wing which aids the pilot in manuevering through the atmosphere just like all real-life combat aircraft. The Raider lacks this stabilizer wing much reducing their effectiveness in aeronautic combat and manuevering thrusters are not as effective in air as in space due to resistance. This made the tactic of depositing the ''Galactica's'' Vipers into a solely air-support role for evacuating ships very effective once the Space-borne Raiders were decoyed away from the planet so that the ''Galactica'' only had to face the Basestars, not the Raiders.
*''Pegasus'' seemed to fulfill its role just like the [[Pegasus (TOS)|original ''Pegasus'']], as it fought to the end to defeat two basetars and allowed ''Galactica'' along with the last of the fleet to escape from the Cylons.

== Notes ==

* There is also a TOS comic named ''[[Exodus!]]''
* Both parts of "Exodus" were originally planned as one episode. However, it was quickly realized that the story was far too large for one episode and it was split in two. This happened before with "[[Scattered]]" and "[[Valley of Darkness]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship]]." It also helped save money because the construction of New Caprica, the extensive location shooting, the number of actors, as well as the special effects for "Exodus, Part II" were very expensive and the production was over budget.
* Apparently, the viper Mk.VIIs deployed by Galactica in this episode have a yellow engine-glow instead of their usual blue. This may be a visual-effects-gaffe or the engines may have been effected by the nebular gas or even using a diffrent type of fuel or engine.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Discussing the failure of the occupation:''
:'''Number Three''': What would you have us do, Gaius?
:'''Gaius Baltar''': Leave. Pack up your centurions, and go. Please. Go.
:'''Number Three''': And then what? What would you do if we really just left you here? You'd live out your lives in peace and never trouble yourselves with thoughts of us again? Or would you raise your children with stories of the Cylon, the mechanical slaves who once did your bidding, only to turn against you? Killers who committed genocide against your race, the occupiers of this city until we just ran away? Would you tell them to tell the story to their children, and to their childrens' children, and nurse a dream of vengeance down through the years so that one day they could just go out into the stars and hunt the Cylon once more?
:'''Gaius Baltar''': Blood for blood ...has to stop one day.

*''Roslin heads to Colonial One''
:'''Roslin''': My ship's up there.
:'''Zarek''': You sure have a sense of the dramatic.

*''Adama comes to accept ''Galactica'''s end''
:'''Admiral Adama:''' Then that's it. It's been an honor.

*''After Hearing Pegasus Has Joined Galactica
:'''Admiral William Adama''': Damn You, Lee ...Thank You, Lee.

*''The Pegasus is evacuated before its destruction''
:'''Dualla:''' Alright, people, let's move. Out! Let's go. (To Lee): You too, Commander.
:'''Commander Lee Adama:''' Yes, sir. (Begins to leave, then stops and looks around at Pegasus): Thank you.

*''As the two Adamas reunite after the battle:''
:'''Admiral William Adama''': I guess you didn't understand my orders.
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': I never could read your handwriting.

*''Adama welcomes Col. Tigh back to ''Galactica''
:'''Adama:''' You did it, Saul. You brought them back.
:'''Tigh:''' Not all of them.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]

== References ==
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Karl Agathon

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Lieutenant '''Karl C. Agathon''' was the [[ECO]] aboard [[Raptor 478]], piloted by Lieutenant JG [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]]. He is young, loyal, capable, resourceful and attracted to Valerii. Those aboard ''Galactica'' seem to find his real name cumbersome or unwieldy. He's almost always addressed by his callsign, "Helo."

== Biography ==

At the time of the [[Cylon Attack]], Lieutenant Karl Agathon, serial number PK-789934, is on patrol in Valerii's Raptor flying with [[battlestar]] ''Galactica's'' last fully-operational [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] squadron, and witnesses the destruction of the squadron by [[Cylon]] [[Raider]]s, after the latter exploits the [[Command Navigation Program]] to disable the Vipers.

Following the attack, Agathon and Valerii attempt to return to ''Galactica'', avoiding Cylon patrols, but are unsuccessful: their Raptor is damaged in a Cylon missile strike, and Helo receives a wound in his leg from shrapnel that pierces their ship. As a result of the damage received, the Raptor is forced down on Caprica, where Valerii makes emergency repairs. Moments after Valerii's repairs, their ship is mobbed by civilians desperate to get off the planet.

With limited space for survivors aboard the Raptor, Agathon volunteers his seat to Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] and remains on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in the hope that Baltar will be of benefit to the Colonials in their renewed fight against the Cylons. Both Helo and Boomer feel that there is no chance that he will survive the Cylon nuclear attack on Caprica, but he selflessly chooses to stay behind anyway, giving up his own life so Baltar can get to ''[[Galactica]]''.

=== Marooned ===

After Boomer's departure, Helo apparently separates from the surviving refugees and flees from Cylon ground forces. After six days on Caprica, surviving on anti-radiation medications from his survival pack, he is captured after noticing a version of the Cylon known (secretly only to Gaius Baltar) as [[Number Six]].

Helo is "rescued" by [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|a copy of Sharon Valerii]], unaware that this is not the same one who abandoned him on Caprica. She guides him across Caprica as part of an elaborate (if potentially hastily conceived) plan / experiment designed to make this second Valerii the object of Agathon's affections. Several situations are engineered to make this happen:

*A "honey trap" offering reasonably secure accommodations (a "fall-out shelter") together with sufficient supplies for two people beneath a restaurant ([[Act of Contrition]])
*Engineering Valerii's capture to test Helo's loyalty towards her ([[You Can't Go Home Again]] / [[Litmus]])
*Establishing a further (long-term) "honey trap" for Helo and Valerii in the wilderness of Caprica.

However, the Cylon plan goes awry when Valerii appears to fall in love with Agathon. She forces them both on the run once more, this time genuinely seeking to escape from Caprica via the military base at [[Delphi]], now under Cylon control.

During their attempts to reach Delphi, Agathon witnesses a troop of Cylon [[Centurion]]s being led by Number Six - the woman he thought had been killed when Valerii rescued him. This draws him to the conclusion that the Cylons are using human clones they have created ([[Colonial Day]]). Once at Delphi, Agathon receives another shock: not only are further versions of Six on-hand - he comes face-to-face with another Valerii copy, revealing the full truth about the woman known as "Boomer" to him. Believing he was lured into a trap, Agathon goes on the run, leaving Valerii at the base.

The Valerii copy that Helo has paired with later catches up with him, and while he shoots her in the arm, he does not kill her as she might be of use to him in escaping the planet. Caprica-Valerii then informs Helo that she is pregnant with his child, and that they should go to the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies|Delphi Museum]]. There, Agathon is reunited with [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (who just arrived from ''[[Galactica]]'' using a stolen [[Cylon Raider]]) immediately after she kills a copy of Number Six and retrieves the [[Arrow of Apollo]]. Thrace, realizing immediately that Valerii is a Cylon (knowing much earlier than Helo that Cylons can mimic human form) tries to kill Valerii, but Agathon stops her because she is pregnant ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Scattered]]).
[[image:Valley_of_Darkness-Starbuck_Helo.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Helo and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] in her apartment in [[Delphi]], [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in [[Valley of Darkness]]. ((c) Sci-Fi Channel)]]
Valerii runs away out of fear of Thrace, taking her Cylon Raider. Fearing that [[Number Six]] will finish transferring her consciousness to a new body and warn the Cylons about the humans' presence in Delphi, Agathon and Thrace make their way to Thrace's old apartment ([[Scattered]], [[Valley of Darkness]]). Later, Thrace and Agathon join up with the [[Caprica Resistance|human resistance]] on Caprica ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

=== The Resistance and Escape from Caprica ===

Agathon, [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and others later rescue Thrace from the Cylons' "hospital". Valerii returns to aid Helo in locating the missing Thrace, and later saves the day by gunning down several Centurions in a stolen [[Heavy Raider]]. Helo, Thrace, and Valerii leave Caprica en route to [[The Fleet (RDM)| the Fleet]] ([[The Farm]]). The group lands on the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', which has broken off from the rest of the Fleet ([[Home, Part I]]). When [[Lee Adama]] grabs the new copy of Valerii and threatens to shoot her, Helo raises his gun to Lee's head in response. They are calmed by Roslin, who then orders Valerii thrown out of an airlock. Valerii convinces Roslin of her usefulness before this happens, and later accompanies Helo and others to Kobol to find the Tomb of Athena ([[Home, Part I]]). On the way to the Tomb of Athena, [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] remarks to Starbuck that he is disturbed that Helo and this Valerii copy love each other, and Helo admits to Valerii that he now loves and trusts her. When they finally reach the tomb, Commander Adama orders Helo to stay outside with Valerii and Tom Zarek while Chief Tyrol guards all of them. With the successful gathering of information on the whereabouts of Earth, Helo and the group return to ''Galactica'' and the reunified Fleet.

=== Home on ''Galactica'' ===

Helo's welcome-home to ''Galactica'', months after being declared MIA on Caprica ([[Home, Part II]]), isn't a generally warm one. Many in the crew find his romance with the Caprica Valerii disquieting or disgusting. A few crew warm up to Helo after his suggestion of using carbon composites on the new fighter, the [[Blackbird]], turns [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s pet project into a significant stealth technology ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

Chief Tyrol is still nursing the loss of Boomer (the ''Galactica'' copy of Valerii that left Helo on Caprica and later shoots Commander Adama), and now must deal with the return of another Valerii, her "memories" of him, and the fact that Helo is romantically involved with her. The friction between Helo and Tyrol becomes too much and a fight ensues before both realize that fighting will gain them little. The two tacitly appear to accept the awkward situation for what it is.

Helo and Tyrol learn of the gang-rape of the captured [[Gina|Cylon]] on battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', and are shocked to learn that the "Cylon interrogator", Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne]], would be "interrogating" the incarcerated Valerii that day. Prior to this discovery, Helo is prepared to fight the drunken ''Pegasus'' crewmembers over their disrespect, but Tyrol realizes what is coming for Valerii and convinces him to head to the brig to her aid. While apparently successful in stopping the assault, the two are arrested and taken to ''Pegasus'' when Thorne is accidentally killed. Admiral [[Helena Cain]] conducts summary courts-martial on the two ''Galactica'' crewmembers, finding them guilty and sentencing them to execution. When Commander Adama hears of this abrupt treatment, he launches a Raptor with [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]] units as well as his Viper squadrons to get Helo and Tyrol back. A standoff ensues, with not only Helo's and Tyrol's lives in the balance, but thousands of others in the Fleet ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

===Aboard the ''Pegasus''===

After Starbuck returned with images of the Resurrection Ship, Adama and Cain agreed to a truce. Helo and Tyrol were given a stay of execution, but not a pardon. While they were imprisoned aboard the ''Pegasus'', a pair of deck hands, irate about Thorne's death, assaulted them. [[Jack Fisk]], the XO of the ''Pegasus'', put a stop to this by citing regulations, but rebuffed Helo's thanks. Like the deck crew, Fisk had been saved from death by Thorne, and he was not sympathetic to Valerii, whom he viewed as a machine.

After the destruction of the [[Resurrection Ship]] and the death of Admiral Cain, Fisk became Commander of the ''Pegasus''. He returned Helo and Tyrol to the ''Galactica'', where the former was joyfully received by Valerii.

=== The Events of [[Epiphanies|Epiphanies]] ===

Things got ugly when the dying President Roslin ordered the hybrid baby aborted. Helo attempted to dissuade Adama from carrying out the order in private conversation in the Admiral's office, but failed. When Valerii was being brought to the medical bay for the abortion, Helo blocked the door, his hand on his pistol. He offered to take Boomer aboard a [[Raptor]] and leave the Fleet, but was rebuffed by Adama, who told him, "You're a soldier." Helo retorted that he was a father, like Adama.

Fortunately, Baltar defused a potentially violent incident by arriving with his report on the medically useful nature of the hybrid fetus. The consequences from his action remain to be seen, although since he was later seen working out in the gym with Starbuck both before and after the destruction of [[Scar (Raider)]], it is unlikely he was punished.

=== The Hybrid Birth ===

Helo was present when [[Hera]], the human-Cylon hybrid, was born. He and Valerii marvelled at their baby, and Helo shocked Valerii when he said that it made one almost believe in the Cylon [[God]]. When Valerii attacks Dr. [[Cottle]], accusing him of murder after he informs her of the baby's [[Maya|"death,"]] Helo tries to restrain her but ends up with marines pointing guns at him as Valerii is returned to her cell.

=== [[Caprica]] [[SAR]] & [[New Caprica]] ===

Despite Valerii's continued belief that Cottle and the other humans killed [[Hera]], Helo was able to convince her to assist Kara Thrace's plan for the rescue of Samuel Anders and his [[Caprica Resistance]] group ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Helo and the others manage to survive the Cylon assault after [[Cavil]] informs them that the Cylons have left the Colonies.

With the happenstance discovery of the so-called [[New Caprica]], the relationship between Helo and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] became increasingly strained, due primarily to her growing depression over the loss of their child and the fact that Valerii did not inform the SAR team that Caprica-[[Cavil]] was a Cylon agent.

It is unknown what happened to his Sharon Valerii during the year ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' patrolled the orbit around New Caprica. However, Agathon is acting as a replacement to [[Felix Gaeta]] as ''Galactica'''s tactical officer ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]) and has been promoted to the position as Galactica's XO.<ref name="XO"/><ref name="podcast"/>

== Notes ==

=== Name ===

The [[Reimagined|new]] [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]] plays heavily on [[Greek mythology]] and history; the use of names such as [[Delphi]] and those of the [[Wikipedia:Twelve Olympians|Olympian gods]] is an example. Helo's names have many possible referrents:
*[[Wikipedia:Agathon|Agathon]] was an ancient Greek tragic poet.
*''[[Wikipedia:Agathodaemon|Agathos Daemon]]'' was of one of the spirits that lie between the gods and mortals in Greek mythology. He is associated with the cultivation of grapes and grain as well as luck and abundance.
*The prefix "Agatho-" means 'good' in Greek.
*[[Wikipedia:Helios|Helios]] was the Greek god of the Sun associated most prominently with the myth of [[Wikipedia:Phaëton|Phaëton]].
*"Helo" is slang for [[Wikipedia:Helicopter|helicopter]], and the [[Raptor]] craft Helo crews is visually based on an [[Wikipedia:AH-64 Apache|Apache helicopter]]. This fits with the callsign of his former co-pilot, 'Boomer,' which is slang for a ballistic missile submarine.

=== Character ===

*In an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2965&Itemid=0&limit=1&limitstart=1 interview], actor Tahmoh Penikett discussed the (unofficial) backstory he had worked out with [[Katee Sackhoff]] to explain her comment in "[[Scattered]]" that they "go way back":
:"We are old friends and we have been through a lot together. I have been asked this question before, but I think it is pretty safe to bet that we were either in the academy together or we have known each other for years. Whether there has ever been a romantic relationship, that is definitely a possibility--especially with Starbuck...It could have been a one night stand, but there is in fact a relationship. We are more like brother and sister, and have been through a lot together. Helo really understands Starbuck and she understands him. They are a lot closer than most people think."
*Helo's full name (or even his fate) wasn't revealed until "[[33]]". He was initially intended as an expendable character; originally, he was supposed to have actually died when the Raptor left him behind on Caprica. Penikett's performance convinced [[Wikipedia:The powers that be|TPTB]] otherwise. Curiously, Helo's [[Crashdown|second]] replacement on Boomer's Raptor, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]], was also intended as a one-shot character, but was retained by TPTB for similar reasons.
*While he is shown in a [[Raptor]] during the funeral of his [[Hera|daughter]] in [[Downloaded]], "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" is the first time he has done his job as [[ECO]] on screen since the [[Miniseries]].

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==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

::::always. "Crossroads" became "The Resistance." It can blow at any seam. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:37, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Acala's dailies were awesome and the cut I've seen is... pretty cool. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT) updated when I realized the question wasn't about Ep 11 (which we were shooting when I first answered, but about "Exodus" - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:41, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Hardy
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir Garcia
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir Nankin
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir Mimica-Gizzan
*[[Episode 3.18]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.19]] - Dir Michael Rymer, written by Mark Verheiden & possibly Ron Moore.
:: directors added for eps 14-19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:28, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::It now looks as if Michael Angeli is flying solo for episode 17. Added Mark & maybe Ron to Ep 3.19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Thank you for all the delightfully authoritative information. I don't mean to be a bother, but it's in my nature to nitpick. Is "Taking A Break from All Your Worries" intentionally cased like that, or should it be "Taking a Break from All Your Worries" like the normal convention (assuming that's ''a'' the article)? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:47, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The actual casing (from the title page on the Full Yellow Production Draft) is Taking a Break From All Your Worries. I have no idea what Michael Taylor has in mind with that. But assume that he has a plan... - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:51, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Will "Occupation / Precipice" really be one two-hour episode, or two episodes shown together? As in having two intros.
And will there be an episode 3.20, or is 3.19 the finale?
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:21, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

::I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Laurette Spang?==
There has been news passing around that [[Laurette Spang-McCook|Laurette Spang]], who played [[Cassiopeia]] on the Original Series, has been playing e-mail tag with [[David Eick]] about a possible role on the Re-imagined Series. Has this progressed beyond a theoretical thing and into an actual part being worked on? Or is this still just an idea David was batting around? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:03, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

::The contents of David Eick's e-box are WAY above my pay grade. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::I'd still like a confirm from Ron about the Jane Seymour role, which she was apparently offered for Pegasus and turned down. I know... different TOS actor. (Jane and Laurette were my favorite TOS ladies) On top of that, there's those persistent Anne Lockhart cameo stories which seem to pop up like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin reunion rumors. David (Weddle, not Eick) told me that they talked about Seymour as a prototype for D'Anna Biers but that's about as much he knew on the subject. But I'm one of those that never lets an inquiry die untli I've gotten to the bottom of it... ;-) --[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 21:16, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Transcript Permission Contact ==
An interest has been expressed to host episode transcripts here, using inline links to link the episode content to the relevent articles here. Before undertaking such an effort, we would want to get (written) permission from the appropriate powers that be. Could you point us in the right direction as to who we could contact for such permission? If you are comfortable giving us direction (but not posting it here) feel free to [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Steelviper email myself] or any of the other admins (especially [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Peter_Farago Peter Farago], our Copyright Specialist). We appreciate any help in this regard, and this is the type of project that will NOT proceed unless we get an official "green light". We worried enough about the issues with the podcast transcripts... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:16, 11 August 2006 (CDT)

:You see there are actually websites that ''already'' have transcripts (fan-made) and we refer to them alot (though they're less than perfect, of course, and we have to rewatch things on our own often, to make sure), and eventually we said "Why not just recopy them here, to move towards making this the one stop for all episode info?" but we thought we'd run into legal troubles....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:12, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::This sounds like a pretty good idea, I mean this is a nonprofit organization, what possible money can we get from just hosting scripts of the episodes. If NBC asks to cease and desist, why not just do it until they tell us not too? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:20, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Why put the effort into something and then have to delete it? :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:23, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::While I understand and appreciate the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" mentality (especially in its kinship to the "be bold" attitude), how can we expect others to respect our license (Creative Commons) if we ourselves are willing to violate the copyright of others? Especially the copyright of the people responsible for making the content that we document/describe/summarize (something akin to biting the hand that feeds you). I'd love to see the episode transcripts here (in full linkified glory), but I'd rather not jeopardize the integrity of the wiki and expose it to legal risk, especially only to host content that is already easily available to those interested. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:25, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
::::You know what, I'll start my own BattlestarWiki, and it'll be called CertainlY cooLer then that Other battlestarwiki Nonsense, or C.Y.L.O.N. for short and I'll host scripts on there and disregard NBC. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

==Cancellation Rumor==

The rumor is circulating that S4 is in jeopardy along with "Caprica." Given that series are always under a "ratings gun" and concerned caused by the cancellation of SG-1, if there is any truth to the rumor, is there something as fans that we can do now? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:36, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:There was also a rumor that the show would move to Tuesday nights, but that hasn't materialized. While the cancelation of SG-1 raises concerns about ratings and budget A) it's the top rated show on the channel B) It won a Peabody award and critics love it C) They've got a real chance to win at next year's Emmys, when the old shows which filled up this years (West Wing, Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Commander in Chief, etc.) will all be gone and not fill up the nominations. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

::::Sorry, I have no knowledge of SciFi executive decisions - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thanks, I sort of asked in a panic. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:05, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== The role of the Marines. ==

When will we see a bigger role played by the Marines and avoid embarrasments like Starbuck's matrix attempt in Sacrifice? [[User:Panther|Panther]] 18:53, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Ron already said in the blog that he was embarrased about using Starbuck as "just happening to also be a sniper" in "[[Bastille Day]]". Also in the podcasts Ron has said that they dropped Corporal Venner as a recurring Marine character because fans weren't that intrested in that, but as a really religous Gemenon and a Marine, I actually kind of ''was'' interested in seeing him as a recurring character...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::I wasn't phased by her being a marksman but a "sniper" is a different ballgame. Sniping is more than shooting. Back on topic, I just want to see a Marine character of some importance on the show. I think too many shows go the way of PBI. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 11:41, 24 August 2006 (CDT)
:: Did RDM really say that? Sucks, 'cause I liked Venner. Honestly, I haven't read a single post where fans stated they weren't interested in a recurring Marine. And even if - isn't Ron always (rightly) claiming that BSG ain't a democracy? --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 14:42, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

The writers room has discussed having a continuing Marine character more than once, but thus far there's been no compelling story reason for doing so. So, if it is to happen, the character would arrive in a minor role and evolve the way Kat did in Luciana's capable hands. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:53, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:True. I wonder though if, in Lay Down Your Burdens, the ground rescue mission should have been commanded by a Marine who is probably trained for that sort of warfare. :D
:[[User:Panther|Panther]] 01:50, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::If we had a Marine officer as colorful as Starbuck, it probably would have. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Relations between the Colonial President and the Colonial Military ==

I was wondering ever since the Miniseries what the is the legal relationship between the president and military. Does the president have CINC powers or is it a loose relationship whereby the military is fairly independent but is fully dependent on the state it serves? I ask this because it seems that Roslin hasn't shown any power over the military, and Adama though he had a legitimate reason for a military coup. I'm thinking if Roslin had CINC powers Adama would have been less inclined to do so.
[[User:Panther|Panther]] 17:40, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::The best answer I can give is to have you check out the deal Roslin made with Adama in the miniseries. The two leaders are well aware of the new order imposed by the collapse of the Twelve Colonies. Adama has the guns and the loyalty of the only military force remaining. Fortunately, he believes in the ultimate authority of law -- unless it conflicts with his own view of military necessity. The relationship of civilian and military has been fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings. Roslin's true power appeared when she escaped detention aboard Galactica and went back to Kobol for the Arrow of Apollo, and Adama bowed to the Rule of Law by going with the majority in settling New Caprica. We'll see how this uneasy relationship continues to develop in Season 3 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 12:55, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::It appeared that this was the case, and the mini-series made this undoubtedly true. Legal relationships though tend to be different. I guess I'm looking for what maybe the articles may say on the matter. Thanks for the response.[[User:Panther|Panther]] 20:45, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== S.F.M. ==

Anastasia Dualla mentions in "Bastille Day" that the name of Tom Zarek's group was the S.F.M. What does this acronym stand for? It seems likely to mean "Sagittaron Freedom Movement", but we'd like to be sure. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:40, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::You'll hear more of them in Season 3 -- maybe. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:58, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Rank Insignia==
This is a minor question but one that I've had in the back of my mind for awhile, especially while working on the uniform and rank pages here. In the Miniseries, Boomer's Raptor is labeled "JRLIEUTENANT" for her rank. Assuming this is the Lieutenant Junior Grade rank, that would corespond with the rank insignia she had on, a diamond with a chevron in it that did not extend past the lower edge of the diamond. Later, in "33", Helo gives his rank as Lieutenant Junior Grade when he is captured. His insignia has the chevron extended so it goes beyond the edge of the diamond. The insignia is identical to the one that Starbuck, a definate Lieutenant wears (except for most of Hand of God, a gaffe, I assume). Gaeta has been seen wearing both. The reason I ask this is that in the new promotional shots for Season 3, Dualla wears this rank insignia on her blue uniform. I basically want to know, which insignia corresponds to which rank? Thank you in advance for the answer and keep up the good work on the show. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:37, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:From a picture Glenne Campbell showed me -

:Jr Lt - one short chevron
:Sr Lt - one long cheveron
:Captain - two long chevrons
:Major - three long chevrons
:Lt Colonel - gold star, white background
:Colonel - gold star with some gizmo I can't recognize on gold BG, gold lower triangle
:Commander - gold star with the same gizmo on gold BG, gold upper & lower triangles and some white thing behind the whole shebang.

:Senior pilot-officer wings are outspread. Junior pilot officer wings are swept back. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks a whole lot, one question though, what is the insignia for Ensign? We've seen some in Scar but they had LTJG rank on IIRC. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:37, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::We're a bit behind in the documentation of this -- the sketches I've seen don't yet carry the ensign rank designator. Or that of Admiral. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:44, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Okay, that makes sense, since Mr Moore's blog entry on ranks didn't mention a Lt. Col. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:46, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks. And that gizmo you're speaking off is the Colonial Phoenix. The bird symbol that's on the Colonial seal. 
:As for the wings. I assume Lee is wearing junior wings in Season 3 because he dones't have that much flight experience yet. A lot of people think, that everyone just gets senior wings when becoming Colonel, but that's somewhat silly IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:39, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Heh. I just wanted to make a comment about this.
By intuition one would probably say "longer chevron = higher rank". But I think there is enough evidence to reverse that case here.
I think Helo started as jay-gee and Sharon as a full Lieutenant. Helo calls her "sir" once or twice. That makes her Raptor markings an error. Later Helo got promoted and is wearing the "short chevron" insignia.
The same one worn by most other Lieutenants like Starbuck and Gaeta.
Now and then especially Starbuck can be seen with the "long chevron" insignia. Those are costuming errors. Often they :happen when characters switch between the green and blue uniforms.

Dualla also wears a completely new insignia in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" but is called Lieutenant. Is there any meaning behind that? Maybe a brevet rank?

I don't want to be presumptous, but maybe the actors could check their rank pins when they receive a new uniform. That shouldn't take too long. The errors are no big deal, but interesting
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 22:15 CET, September 1st 2006
:The reason I bring this up is that I'm a military history buff, an ROTC cadet, and a DA Civilian so this is very interesting to me. From watching the show, this is what I've been able to gather.
*Sharon's Raptor is still marked like that all the way through Season 1.
*Dee had an unusual insignia in LDYB PII but is refered to as a Lieutenant and in the promotional shots for Season 3, wears a short-chevron insignia as seen in [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000f5p5f this pic].(Warning-big pic)
*Starbuck consistantly wears the long-chevron rank, except for the majority of Hand of God (she wore the long rank in the celebration scene in the hanger.
*Helo is now a full Lieutenant according to some things Penikett has said. In the promo shots for Season 3, he still wears the long insignia, as seen [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000er4a3 here]. (Big pic again)
*Gaeta goes back and forth between the two.
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:19, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Going through screencaps I think you're right and Starbuck usually has "long chevron". Especially in the first season. I checked "Act of Contrition", "Flesh and Bone" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming" for example.
I didn't notice any inconsistences with Sharon yet

About Helo:
I thought he had "short chevron" in Season 2...However I just checked my DVDs and he's still wearing "long chevron" in 'Flight of the Phoenix', 'Epiphanies' and probably 'Scar'! I couldn't see it very clearly in the latter one.
So that promotion thing might not be true. Or at least it wasn't reflected in the costuming yet

What that argument gone, I guess one could just as easily say that Helo stating his rank was a gaffe and thus conclude that "long chevron = Lt. SG" and "short chevron = Lt. JG" which also makes Sharon's Raptor right.
Very confusing...
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly, and the reason for me asking. He also has long chevrons rank in Season 1, especially visible in the restaurant scenes in, I think, Hand of God. His promotion and postition on Galactica circa LDYB PII was from an interview. It said that he was promoted to full Lieutenant sometime after returning to the ship. Also, even if he outranked her (which can be implied in the Miniseries {First you're flying with rooks and now you're betting against Starbuck} or something like that), he sould still call her sir since she would be in command of the Raptor. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, I already thought that maybe she outranked him because of position and not rank.
::I probably made some wrong conclusions, because I had a false memory of Starbuck's rank pins. Sorry.
::In Season 2, hers are harder to track because she's often out of uniform until she returns from Caprica. But in "Pegasus" and "RS, I" it's "long chevron". And then she's promoted to Captain by Admiral Cain.
::And if Helo is already a Lt. SG, then Tahmoh's story about a promotion would be false--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thus the dilemma. My thoughts are as follows: Boomer is a junior LTJG, still a rookie. Helo is a LTJG also, but with much more experience and more tours of duty. Except for the insignia problems, as well as Boomer's bag in "Water" that was marked "Lieutenant Sharon Valerii," this fits with what we have seen. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:58, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Sharon's rankpin is always LT.JG (short chevron). I didn't notice an error there yet. Maybe they just leave the SG/JG stuff from clothing. And Helo's is very consistently LT.SG (long chevron). So how about Helo is indeed a LT.SG - and considering his comment to Six a writing error - but Sharon is still in charge of missions because she's the pilot and he's just the ECO?
::::I'd prefer to go with one error in dialogue over considering his rankpin in ALL episodes an error.

:I would, too. But a mission commander is not necessarily the senior officer present. And, "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for and is the final authority as to the operation of that aircraft." Unless mission requirements supercede that requirement. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::My main question remaining now is Dualla's rankpin in LDYB. Though in one released S3 pic she's wearing a regular Lt. pin I think. Maybe Mr. Thompson can shed some light on that --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:21, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::The problem is that we don't know if the which pin belongs to which rank, thus my question. In the promo shot of Dualla I linked to above, she wears the short chevron insignia. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:We're a bit behind in the documentation of this -- the sketches I've seen don't yet carry the ensign rank designator - but Dualla has moved beyond that to a Junior Lt by the time Season Two closes, which is consistent with the short chevron insignia. (Long Chevron is Sr. Lt) Also consider that promotions (and demotions) do happen on Galactica that we don't get to see. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::The thing with Dualla is that she is wearing previously unknown insignia in LDYB II as seen [http://galacticastation.com/Screencaps/S2/220/bscap495.htm here] but Apollo calls her Lieutenant. Is there any deeper meaning behind this? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:47, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

==Blackbird: Efficient Construction Crew?==

Hey, I would like to refer you to this article[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Blackbird#Appearance_before_Construction.3F]]. Just looking for clarification, I suppose- was this just a VFX gaff, or is there something you lot haven't told us yet? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:55, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:::The Blackbird shouldn't be mixing it up out there. Looks as if the VFX guys are trying to keep us on our toes. Even if it were in service at that time, the Blackbird has no guns and doesn't turn well enough to be a survivable dogfighter. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:57, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode #3]] ==

On the description it says "''Tigh and Tyrol hide weapons while '''Duck and his wife''' clash over religion.''". Is this correct or was their a mistake? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:24, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::A hideous blunder. They're not married. ;) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:56, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::And they didn't really clash. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, it's obvious there not married, they didn't really argue ;)--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:55, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I shudder what would happen without us. :-) Ok. Thanks brad. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:59, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Great job on the webisodes by the way! Exceeding expectations. (Also, great catch, shane). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thank you. We're very proud of them, and hope you'll find the others won't let you down. As of the 2nd webisode posting, the SciFi trackers told us that they had over a million streams. Wish the folks outside US IP addresses could share in the fun. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:26, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::We can. Just by, erm, other means. I like them so far. Nice appetizers for season 3 and I can already see that they provide some background for future developments --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:33, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: (Right when we need a "drop jaw icon") WOW! Just imaging that without the non-US block. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:35, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Maybe I shouldn't say it, but in this case, I'm glad there are... erm...other means - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:39, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Indeed, and as a non American I have been very impressed so far with the webisodes. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::thanks. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== The international webisode question ==

Hi Bradley - I haven't been able to find any rationale for why the webisodes aren't available outside the US, as mentioned above. Can you shed any light on the thinking behind this decision? Thanks! - [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 10:00, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I asked SciFi.com. Their answer: "We'd like to make them available to viewers outside the US but for various legal reasons we're unable to." International broadcast agreements are complicated and these decisions/reasons are way above my pay grade. You may remember that Sky One got to air the first season in the UK before it showed up in the US. I'd bet that something similar is going on here. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:06, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I don't even understand how they can make them unavailable to some people (technically, not legally). I thought URLs take everyone to the same place, no matter where they are located. battlestarwiki.org is still battlestarwiki.org in Korea, right? Or is it a porn site there? ;) --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:40, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::That's a question better answered by a web designer. Got one handy? - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:47, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::(/me waves hand) Checking out the "code" and watching my internet packets be sent out to the internet, it does it a werid way. For simpleicy reasons what it does is downloads the whole movie first, then checks your "GEO" area (as explained by CA below). If your GEO is not correctthen it unloads the movie is shows the error. There is a twist. They embed proxy checking. So if you are running behind a proxy, it disables it all together. This is just a quick overview. Going to be doing a more through look later. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:54, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I think it has to do with SAG and other guild laws than it has to do with the technical aspect of it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:59, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I believe the technicalities involve the allocation of IP address ranges. It's public information which blocks (starting numbers) correspond to which countries (or other entities, down to reasonably small chunks). See http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp for a demonstration. Then one simply makes the server return different responses to requests from different ranges. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 22:22, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Yes, that too. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:32, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::Ohh, by the way, just go to youtube and they are there. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:41, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::FYI, NBC-Universal has been proactively pulling down anything on youtube that pertains to the webisodes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:59, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::: Mercifully, there's a lag between the time a clip goes up, the time NBC finds it, and the time YouTube actually gets around to it. It's usually enough of a gap to get 2.5 minutes of webisode viewing in. Thanks for asking into it, Bradley! - [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 23:40, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cylon Detector ==

Hope that you can clear this up. In the episode "Flesh and Bone", it takes only minutes to identify Sharon Valerii as a Cylon. However, in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down", he states that complete testing on one sample of blood takes 11 hours. Is the retcon, or is there another explaination? Of course, Cylon Detector is moot now, just a production question. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:37, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

:I chose to believe that when Baltar said "We just pop this in the slot and wait a few minutes," that it was the final step in a 12-hour process. The way it was cut gives them room for interpretation, I think. --[[User:Amos frans|Amos frans]] 18:12, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

== Episode 13 ==

Mr. Bradley, with reference to [http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/s3/index.shtml GateWorld], [http://www.bsg-cz.net/ BSG-CZ.net] gives episode 13's title as "The Woman King". Angeli's story is said to be about Helo, Sagittarons and medical care. Can you confirm any of that? (Oh, and I love the celery!) --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 11:54, 17 September 2006 (CDT)

Great Cylon Turkey Shoot

2006-09-18T03:08:43Z

Mr. Random:

{{Battle Data
|image=Stuffsgonnasplode.jpg
|description=Powered down Raider fleet being massacred by ''Galactica's'' Vipers
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=Roughly two weeks after [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Day 84]]
|place=Interstellar space, specific location unknown
|result=Decisive [[Colonial]] victory
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[William Adama]]
|co2=Unknown (no Basestars present)
|strength1=[[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' 34-42 [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]]
|strength2=Over 200 [[Raiders]] Dozens of [[Heavy Raider]]s, exact number unknown 
|shiploss1=None
|shiploss2=Complete destruction of entire Cylon force
|casualties1=None
|casualties2=Complete destruction of entire Cylon force
|prev=[[Battle of Kobol (RDM)|Battle of Kobol]]
|next=[[Galactica vs. Pegasus]]
}}
The '''Great Cylon Turkey Shoot''' was a battle in which [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' turned the Cylon's own computer [[virus]] against them to completely power down a massive fleet of hundreds of [[Raider]]s and [[Heavy Raider]]s in a reversal of the Cylon's use of it in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].

For several weeks, ''Galactica'' suffered system failures and malfunctions throughout the ship. Watch Officer Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] and Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] determined that the Cylon virus which infected the ship shortly after the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] reunited ([[Scattered]]) and downed several ship functions for a time ([[Valley of Darkness]]) had returned. Apparently the virus had a latent element that hid itself, slowly emerging throughout ship computers, testing and probing for weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

Lt. [[Karl Agathon]] then showed analysis of the virus to the incarcerated [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica copy of Sharon Valerii]], who determined that this [[logic bomb]] was a prelude to a Cylon attack. They determined a way to remove the bomb by erasing all ship computer hard drives, then reloading the computers from backups made before the war. However, this would leave the ship completely vulnerable for several minutes. If the logic bomb was "detonated", the virus would likely turn ''Galactica'' against itself and her fleet.

Commander Adama elected to use Caprica-Valerii to aid them. She interfaced her body to the ship's [[Computers#Battlestar Computers|mainframe and communication systems]] via a fiber-optic link placed inside her left forearm. A massive Cylon force arrived to attack, and all Vipers were scrambled. As ''Galactica'' erased its hard drives, Valerii apparently copied the logic bomb code into herself and manipulated it. She released the altered code through the communication channels, transmitting it to the Cylon attackers. In an amazing reversal of historic events, the entire Cylon fleet was disabled as Caprica-Valerii's version of the virus disabled every Cylon ship, much like Colonial ships were shut down by the Cylons during the Fall of the Colonies. Many out-of-control Cylon ships were destroyed simply from crashing into each other.

Commander Adama and Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] ordered ''Galactica's'' Vipers to destroy all of the disabled Cylon fighters. ''Galactica's'' Vipers proceeded to tear through the jumbled Cylon formations, destroying the disproporationately larger Cylon force in its entierty, without losing a single Colonial ship in the process ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

The presence of numerous Heavy Raiders (troop transport vessels, never before seen in such numbers) indicates that the Cylons intended to board ''Galactica'' and possibly other ships in the Colonial fleet after the virus had rendered the battlestar helpless.

==Notes==
*According to Ron D. Moore's [[podcast]] for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]", this battle was specifically inspired by the "[[Wikipedia:Great Marianas Turkey Shoot|Great Marianas Turkey Shoot]]" of World War II. This page is named in light of that reference.
*Number of Cylon Raiders present was given on the Scifi.com official site's episode description.
*Visually, there are at least 42 Vipers on screen, but there is a strong possibility that this is a visual effects mistake: Apollo said in "[[Act of Contrition]]" that there were only 40 Vipers left. On top of this, several Vipers have been lost since then (see [[Galactica#Vipers|Galactica]]). The current count leaves only 34 Vipers: 1 lost in "Act of Contrition", 4 lost in "The Hand of God", and 1 lost in "Final Cut". This doesn't take into account Tyrol's retirement of unserviceable craft, worn down by wear and tear. Furthermore, ''Galactica'' is severely limited by the number of [[List of Pilots|pilots]] they have on hand - in this episode, no more than 22.
**RDM admitted in an interview (see "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]") that this was probably a visual effects gaffe. Number of Vipers was thus more probably 34 at the most.
*Interestingly, the [[Blackbird]] appears in the Great Cylon Turkey Shoot, yet the Blackbird had not been finished by the time the Cylons were disabled.

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==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

::::always. "Crossroads" became "The Resistance." It can blow at any seam. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:37, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Acala's dailies were awesome and the cut I've seen is... pretty cool. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT) updated when I realized the question wasn't about Ep 11 (which we were shooting when I first answered, but about "Exodus" - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:41, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Hardy
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir Garcia
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir Nankin
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir Mimica-Gizzan
*[[Episode 3.18]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.19]] - Dir Michael Rymer, written by Mark Verheiden & possibly Ron Moore.
:: directors added for eps 14-19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:28, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::It now looks as if Michael Angeli is flying solo for episode 17. Added Mark & maybe Ron to Ep 3.19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Thank you for all the delightfully authoritative information. I don't mean to be a bother, but it's in my nature to nitpick. Is "Taking A Break from All Your Worries" intentionally cased like that, or should it be "Taking a Break from All Your Worries" like the normal convention (assuming that's ''a'' the article)? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:47, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The actual casing (from the title page on the Full Yellow Production Draft) is Taking a Break From All Your Worries. I have no idea what Michael Taylor has in mind with that. But assume that he has a plan... - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:51, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Will "Occupation / Precipice" really be one two-hour episode, or two episodes shown together? As in having two intros.
And will there be an episode 3.20, or is 3.19 the finale?
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:21, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

::I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Laurette Spang?==
There has been news passing around that [[Laurette Spang-McCook|Laurette Spang]], who played [[Cassiopeia]] on the Original Series, has been playing e-mail tag with [[David Eick]] about a possible role on the Re-imagined Series. Has this progressed beyond a theoretical thing and into an actual part being worked on? Or is this still just an idea David was batting around? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:03, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

::The contents of David Eick's e-box are WAY above my pay grade. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::I'd still like a confirm from Ron about the Jane Seymour role, which she was apparently offered for Pegasus and turned down. I know... different TOS actor. (Jane and Laurette were my favorite TOS ladies) On top of that, there's those persistent Anne Lockhart cameo stories which seem to pop up like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin reunion rumors. David (Weddle, not Eick) told me that they talked about Seymour as a prototype for D'Anna Biers but that's about as much he knew on the subject. But I'm one of those that never lets an inquiry die untli I've gotten to the bottom of it... ;-) --[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 21:16, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Transcript Permission Contact ==
An interest has been expressed to host episode transcripts here, using inline links to link the episode content to the relevent articles here. Before undertaking such an effort, we would want to get (written) permission from the appropriate powers that be. Could you point us in the right direction as to who we could contact for such permission? If you are comfortable giving us direction (but not posting it here) feel free to [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Steelviper email myself] or any of the other admins (especially [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Peter_Farago Peter Farago], our Copyright Specialist). We appreciate any help in this regard, and this is the type of project that will NOT proceed unless we get an official "green light". We worried enough about the issues with the podcast transcripts... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:16, 11 August 2006 (CDT)

:You see there are actually websites that ''already'' have transcripts (fan-made) and we refer to them alot (though they're less than perfect, of course, and we have to rewatch things on our own often, to make sure), and eventually we said "Why not just recopy them here, to move towards making this the one stop for all episode info?" but we thought we'd run into legal troubles....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:12, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::This sounds like a pretty good idea, I mean this is a nonprofit organization, what possible money can we get from just hosting scripts of the episodes. If NBC asks to cease and desist, why not just do it until they tell us not too? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:20, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Why put the effort into something and then have to delete it? :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:23, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::While I understand and appreciate the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" mentality (especially in its kinship to the "be bold" attitude), how can we expect others to respect our license (Creative Commons) if we ourselves are willing to violate the copyright of others? Especially the copyright of the people responsible for making the content that we document/describe/summarize (something akin to biting the hand that feeds you). I'd love to see the episode transcripts here (in full linkified glory), but I'd rather not jeopardize the integrity of the wiki and expose it to legal risk, especially only to host content that is already easily available to those interested. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:25, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
::::You know what, I'll start my own BattlestarWiki, and it'll be called CertainlY cooLer then that Other battlestarwiki Nonsense, or C.Y.L.O.N. for short and I'll host scripts on there and disregard NBC. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

==Cancellation Rumor==

The rumor is circulating that S4 is in jeopardy along with "Caprica." Given that series are always under a "ratings gun" and concerned caused by the cancellation of SG-1, if there is any truth to the rumor, is there something as fans that we can do now? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:36, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:There was also a rumor that the show would move to Tuesday nights, but that hasn't materialized. While the cancelation of SG-1 raises concerns about ratings and budget A) it's the top rated show on the channel B) It won a Peabody award and critics love it C) They've got a real chance to win at next year's Emmys, when the old shows which filled up this years (West Wing, Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Commander in Chief, etc.) will all be gone and not fill up the nominations. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

::::Sorry, I have no knowledge of SciFi executive decisions - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thanks, I sort of asked in a panic. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:05, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== The role of the Marines. ==

When will we see a bigger role played by the Marines and avoid embarrasments like Starbuck's matrix attempt in Sacrifice? [[User:Panther|Panther]] 18:53, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Ron already said in the blog that he was embarrased about using Starbuck as "just happening to also be a sniper" in "[[Bastille Day]]". Also in the podcasts Ron has said that they dropped Corporal Venner as a recurring Marine character because fans weren't that intrested in that, but as a really religous Gemenon and a Marine, I actually kind of ''was'' interested in seeing him as a recurring character...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::I wasn't phased by her being a marksman but a "sniper" is a different ballgame. Sniping is more than shooting. Back on topic, I just want to see a Marine character of some importance on the show. I think too many shows go the way of PBI. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 11:41, 24 August 2006 (CDT)
:: Did RDM really say that? Sucks, 'cause I liked Venner. Honestly, I haven't read a single post where fans stated they weren't interested in a recurring Marine. And even if - isn't Ron always (rightly) claiming that BSG ain't a democracy? --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 14:42, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

The writers room has discussed having a continuing Marine character more than once, but thus far there's been no compelling story reason for doing so. So, if it is to happen, the character would arrive in a minor role and evolve the way Kat did in Luciana's capable hands. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:53, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:True. I wonder though if, in Lay Down Your Burdens, the ground rescue mission should have been commanded by a Marine who is probably trained for that sort of warfare. :D
:[[User:Panther|Panther]] 01:50, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::If we had a Marine officer as colorful as Starbuck, it probably would have. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Relations between the Colonial President and the Colonial Military ==

I was wondering ever since the Miniseries what the is the legal relationship between the president and military. Does the president have CINC powers or is it a loose relationship whereby the military is fairly independent but is fully dependent on the state it serves? I ask this because it seems that Roslin hasn't shown any power over the military, and Adama though he had a legitimate reason for a military coup. I'm thinking if Roslin had CINC powers Adama would have been less inclined to do so.
[[User:Panther|Panther]] 17:40, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::The best answer I can give is to have you check out the deal Roslin made with Adama in the miniseries. The two leaders are well aware of the new order imposed by the collapse of the Twelve Colonies. Adama has the guns and the loyalty of the only military force remaining. Fortunately, he believes in the ultimate authority of law -- unless it conflicts with his own view of military necessity. The relationship of civilian and military has been fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings. Roslin's true power appeared when she escaped detention aboard Galactica and went back to Kobol for the Arrow of Apollo, and Adama bowed to the Rule of Law by going with the majority in settling New Caprica. We'll see how this uneasy relationship continues to develop in Season 3 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 12:55, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::It appeared that this was the case, and the mini-series made this undoubtedly true. Legal relationships though tend to be different. I guess I'm looking for what maybe the articles may say on the matter. Thanks for the response.[[User:Panther|Panther]] 20:45, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== S.F.M. ==

Anastasia Dualla mentions in "Bastille Day" that the name of Tom Zarek's group was the S.F.M. What does this acronym stand for? It seems likely to mean "Sagittaron Freedom Movement", but we'd like to be sure. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:40, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::You'll hear more of them in Season 3 -- maybe. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:58, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Rank Insignia==
This is a minor question but one that I've had in the back of my mind for awhile, especially while working on the uniform and rank pages here. In the Miniseries, Boomer's Raptor is labeled "JRLIEUTENANT" for her rank. Assuming this is the Lieutenant Junior Grade rank, that would corespond with the rank insignia she had on, a diamond with a chevron in it that did not extend past the lower edge of the diamond. Later, in "33", Helo gives his rank as Lieutenant Junior Grade when he is captured. His insignia has the chevron extended so it goes beyond the edge of the diamond. The insignia is identical to the one that Starbuck, a definate Lieutenant wears (except for most of Hand of God, a gaffe, I assume). Gaeta has been seen wearing both. The reason I ask this is that in the new promotional shots for Season 3, Dualla wears this rank insignia on her blue uniform. I basically want to know, which insignia corresponds to which rank? Thank you in advance for the answer and keep up the good work on the show. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:37, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:From a picture Glenne Campbell showed me -

:Jr Lt - one short chevron
:Sr Lt - one long cheveron
:Captain - two long chevrons
:Major - three long chevrons
:Lt Colonel - gold star, white background
:Colonel - gold star with some gizmo I can't recognize on gold BG, gold lower triangle
:Commander - gold star with the same gizmo on gold BG, gold upper & lower triangles and some white thing behind the whole shebang.

:Senior pilot-officer wings are outspread. Junior pilot officer wings are swept back. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks a whole lot, one question though, what is the insignia for Ensign? We've seen some in Scar but they had LTJG rank on IIRC. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:37, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::We're a bit behind in the documentation of this -- the sketches I've seen don't yet carry the ensign rank designator. Or that of Admiral. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:44, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Okay, that makes sense, since Mr Moore's blog entry on ranks didn't mention a Lt. Col. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:46, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks. And that gizmo you're speaking off is the Colonial Phoenix. The bird symbol that's on the Colonial seal --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:39, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Heh. I just wanted to make a comment about this.
By intuition one would probably say "longer chevron = higher rank". But I think there is enough evidence to reverse that case here.
I think Helo started as jay-gee and Sharon as a full Lieutenant. Helo calls her "sir" once or twice. That makes her Raptor markings an error. Later Helo got promoted and is wearing the "short chevron" insignia.
The same one worn by most other Lieutenants like Starbuck and Gaeta.
Now and then especially Starbuck can be seen with the "long chevron" insignia. Those are costuming errors. Often they :happen when characters switch between the green and blue uniforms.

Dualla also wears a completely new insignia in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" but is called Lieutenant. Is there any meaning behind that? Maybe a brevet rank?

I don't want to be presumptous, but maybe the actors could check their rank pins when they receive a new uniform. That shouldn't take too long. The errors are no big deal, but interesting
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 22:15 CET, September 1st 2006
:The reason I bring this up is that I'm a military history buff, an ROTC cadet, and a DA Civilian so this is very interesting to me. From watching the show, this is what I've been able to gather.
*Sharon's Raptor is still marked like that all the way through Season 1.
*Dee had an unusual insignia in LDYB PII but is refered to as a Lieutenant and in the promotional shots for Season 3, wears a short-chevron insignia as seen in [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000f5p5f this pic].(Warning-big pic)
*Starbuck consistantly wears the long-chevron rank, except for the majority of Hand of God (she wore the long rank in the celebration scene in the hanger.
*Helo is now a full Lieutenant according to some things Penikett has said. In the promo shots for Season 3, he still wears the long insignia, as seen [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000er4a3 here]. (Big pic again)
*Gaeta goes back and forth between the two.
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:19, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Going through screencaps I think you're right and Starbuck usually has "long chevron". Especially in the first season. I checked "Act of Contrition", "Flesh and Bone" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming" for example.
I didn't notice any inconsistences with Sharon yet

About Helo:
I thought he had "short chevron" in Season 2...However I just checked my DVDs and he's still wearing "long chevron" in 'Flight of the Phoenix', 'Epiphanies' and probably 'Scar'! I couldn't see it very clearly in the latter one.
So that promotion thing might not be true. Or at least it wasn't reflected in the costuming yet

What that argument gone, I guess one could just as easily say that Helo stating his rank was a gaffe and thus conclude that "long chevron = Lt. SG" and "short chevron = Lt. JG" which also makes Sharon's Raptor right.
Very confusing...
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly, and the reason for me asking. He also has long chevrons rank in Season 1, especially visible in the restaurant scenes in, I think, Hand of God. His promotion and postition on Galactica circa LDYB PII was from an interview. It said that he was promoted to full Lieutenant sometime after returning to the ship. Also, even if he outranked her (which can be implied in the Miniseries {First you're flying with rooks and now you're betting against Starbuck} or something like that), he sould still call her sir since she would be in command of the Raptor. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, I already thought that maybe she outranked him because of position and not rank.
::I probably made some wrong conclusions, because I had a false memory of Starbuck's rank pins. Sorry.
::In Season 2, hers are harder to track because she's often out of uniform until she returns from Caprica. But in "Pegasus" and "RS, I" it's "long chevron". And then she's promoted to Captain by Admiral Cain.
::And if Helo is already a Lt. SG, then Tahmoh's story about a promotion would be false--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thus the dilemma. My thoughts are as follows: Boomer is a junior LTJG, still a rookie. Helo is a LTJG also, but with much more experience and more tours of duty. Except for the insignia problems, as well as Boomer's bag in "Water" that was marked "Lieutenant Sharon Valerii," this fits with what we have seen. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:58, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Sharon's rankpin is always LT.JG (short chevron). I didn't notice an error there yet. Maybe they just leave the SG/JG stuff from clothing. And Helo's is very consistently LT.SG (long chevron). So how about Helo is indeed a LT.SG - and considering his comment to Six a writing error - but Sharon is still in charge of missions because she's the pilot and he's just the ECO?
::::I'd prefer to go with one error in dialogue over considering his rankpin in ALL episodes an error.

:I would, too. But a mission commander is not necessarily the senior officer present. And, "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for and is the final authority as to the operation of that aircraft." Unless mission requirements supercede that requirement. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::My main question remaining now is Dualla's rankpin in LDYB. Though in one released S3 pic she's wearing a regular Lt. pin I think. Maybe Mr. Thompson can shed some light on that --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:21, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::The problem is that we don't know if the which pin belongs to which rank, thus my question. In the promo shot of Dualla I linked to above, she wears the short chevron insignia. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:We're a bit behind in the documentation of this -- the sketches I've seen don't yet carry the ensign rank designator - but Dualla has moved beyond that to a Junior Lt by the time Season Two closes, which is consistent with the short chevron insignia. (Long Chevron is Sr. Lt) Also consider that promotions (and demotions) do happen on Galactica that we don't get to see. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

==Blackbird: Efficient Construction Crew?==

Hey, I would like to refer you to this article[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Blackbird#Appearance_before_Construction.3F]]. Just looking for clarification, I suppose- was this just a VFX gaff, or is there something you lot haven't told us yet? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:55, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:::The Blackbird shouldn't be mixing it up out there. Looks as if the VFX guys are trying to keep us on our toes. Even if it were in service at that time, the Blackbird has no guns and doesn't turn well enough to be a survivable dogfighter. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:57, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode #3]] ==

On the description it says "''Tigh and Tyrol hide weapons while '''Duck and his wife''' clash over religion.''". Is this correct or was their a mistake? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:24, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::A hideous blunder. They're not married. ;) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:56, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::And they didn't really clash. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, it's obvious there not married, they didn't really argue ;)--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:55, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I shudder what would happen without us. :-) Ok. Thanks brad. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:59, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Great job on the webisodes by the way! Exceeding expectations. (Also, great catch, shane). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thank you. We're very proud of them, and hope you'll find the others won't let you down. As of the 2nd webisode posting, the SciFi trackers told us that they had over a million streams. Wish the folks outside US IP addresses could share in the fun. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:26, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::We can. Just by, erm, other means. I like them so far. Nice appetizers for season 3 and I can already see that they provide some background for future developments --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:33, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: (Right when we need a "drop jaw icon") WOW! Just imaging that without the non-US block. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:35, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Maybe I shouldn't say it, but in this case, I'm glad there are... erm...other means - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:39, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Indeed, and as a non American I have been very impressed so far with the webisodes. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::thanks. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== The international webisode question ==

Hi Bradley - I haven't been able to find any rationale for why the webisodes aren't available outside the US, as mentioned above. Can you shed any light on the thinking behind this decision? Thanks! - [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 10:00, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I asked SciFi.com. Their answer: "We'd like to make them available to viewers outside the US but for various legal reasons we're unable to." International broadcast agreements are complicated and these decisions/reasons are way above my pay grade. You may remember that Sky One got to air the first season in the UK before it showed up in the US. I'd bet that something similar is going on here. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:06, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I don't even understand how they can make them unavailable to some people (technically, not legally). I thought URLs take everyone to the same place, no matter where they are located. battlestarwiki.org is still battlestarwiki.org in Korea, right? Or is it a porn site there? ;) --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:40, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::That's a question better answered by a web designer. Got one handy? - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:47, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::(/me waves hand) Checking out the "code" and watching my internet packets be sent out to the internet, it does it a werid way. For simpleicy reasons what it does is downloads the whole movie first, then checks your "GEO" area (as explained by CA below). If your GEO is not correctthen it unloads the movie is shows the error. There is a twist. They embed proxy checking. So if you are running behind a proxy, it disables it all together. This is just a quick overview. Going to be doing a more through look later. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:54, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I think it has to do with SAG and other guild laws than it has to do with the technical aspect of it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:59, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I believe the technicalities involve the allocation of IP address ranges. It's public information which blocks (starting numbers) correspond to which countries (or other entities, down to reasonably small chunks). See http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp for a demonstration. Then one simply makes the server return different responses to requests from different ranges. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 22:22, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Yes, that too. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:32, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::Ohh, by the way, just go to youtube and they are there. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:41, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::FYI, NBC-Universal has been proactively pulling down anything on youtube that pertains to the webisodes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:59, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::: Mercifully, there's a lag between the time a clip goes up, the time NBC finds it, and the time YouTube actually gets around to it. It's usually enough of a gap to get 2.5 minutes of webisode viewing in. Thanks for asking into it, Bradley! - [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 23:40, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

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==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

::::always. "Crossroads" became "The Resistance." It can blow at any seam. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:37, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Acala's dailies were awesome and the cut I've seen is... pretty cool. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT) updated when I realized the question wasn't about Ep 11 (which we were shooting when I first answered, but about "Exodus" - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:41, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Hardy
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir Garcia
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir Nankin
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir Mimica-Gizzan
*[[Episode 3.18]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.19]] - Dir Michael Rymer, written by Mark Verheiden & possibly Ron Moore.
:: directors added for eps 14-19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:28, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::It now looks as if Michael Angeli is flying solo for episode 17. Added Mark & maybe Ron to Ep 3.19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Thank you for all the delightfully authoritative information. I don't mean to be a bother, but it's in my nature to nitpick. Is "Taking A Break from All Your Worries" intentionally cased like that, or should it be "Taking a Break from All Your Worries" like the normal convention (assuming that's ''a'' the article)? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:47, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The actual casing (from the title page on the Full Yellow Production Draft) is Taking a Break From All Your Worries. I have no idea what Michael Taylor has in mind with that. But assume that he has a plan... - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:51, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Will "Occupation / Precipice" really be one two-hour episode, or two episodes shown together? As in having two intros.
And will there be an episode 3.20, or is 3.19 the finale?
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:21, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

::I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Laurette Spang?==
There has been news passing around that [[Laurette Spang-McCook|Laurette Spang]], who played [[Cassiopeia]] on the Original Series, has been playing e-mail tag with [[David Eick]] about a possible role on the Re-imagined Series. Has this progressed beyond a theoretical thing and into an actual part being worked on? Or is this still just an idea David was batting around? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:03, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

::The contents of David Eick's e-box are WAY above my pay grade. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::I'd still like a confirm from Ron about the Jane Seymour role, which she was apparently offered for Pegasus and turned down. I know... different TOS actor. (Jane and Laurette were my favorite TOS ladies) On top of that, there's those persistent Anne Lockhart cameo stories which seem to pop up like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin reunion rumors. David (Weddle, not Eick) told me that they talked about Seymour as a prototype for D'Anna Biers but that's about as much he knew on the subject. But I'm one of those that never lets an inquiry die untli I've gotten to the bottom of it... ;-) --[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 21:16, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Transcript Permission Contact ==
An interest has been expressed to host episode transcripts here, using inline links to link the episode content to the relevent articles here. Before undertaking such an effort, we would want to get (written) permission from the appropriate powers that be. Could you point us in the right direction as to who we could contact for such permission? If you are comfortable giving us direction (but not posting it here) feel free to [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Steelviper email myself] or any of the other admins (especially [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Peter_Farago Peter Farago], our Copyright Specialist). We appreciate any help in this regard, and this is the type of project that will NOT proceed unless we get an official "green light". We worried enough about the issues with the podcast transcripts... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:16, 11 August 2006 (CDT)

:You see there are actually websites that ''already'' have transcripts (fan-made) and we refer to them alot (though they're less than perfect, of course, and we have to rewatch things on our own often, to make sure), and eventually we said "Why not just recopy them here, to move towards making this the one stop for all episode info?" but we thought we'd run into legal troubles....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:12, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::This sounds like a pretty good idea, I mean this is a nonprofit organization, what possible money can we get from just hosting scripts of the episodes. If NBC asks to cease and desist, why not just do it until they tell us not too? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:20, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Why put the effort into something and then have to delete it? :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:23, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::While I understand and appreciate the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" mentality (especially in its kinship to the "be bold" attitude), how can we expect others to respect our license (Creative Commons) if we ourselves are willing to violate the copyright of others? Especially the copyright of the people responsible for making the content that we document/describe/summarize (something akin to biting the hand that feeds you). I'd love to see the episode transcripts here (in full linkified glory), but I'd rather not jeopardize the integrity of the wiki and expose it to legal risk, especially only to host content that is already easily available to those interested. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:25, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
::::You know what, I'll start my own BattlestarWiki, and it'll be called CertainlY cooLer then that Other battlestarwiki Nonsense, or C.Y.L.O.N. for short and I'll host scripts on there and disregard NBC. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

==Cancellation Rumor==

The rumor is circulating that S4 is in jeopardy along with "Caprica." Given that series are always under a "ratings gun" and concerned caused by the cancellation of SG-1, if there is any truth to the rumor, is there something as fans that we can do now? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:36, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:There was also a rumor that the show would move to Tuesday nights, but that hasn't materialized. While the cancelation of SG-1 raises concerns about ratings and budget A) it's the top rated show on the channel B) It won a Peabody award and critics love it C) They've got a real chance to win at next year's Emmys, when the old shows which filled up this years (West Wing, Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Commander in Chief, etc.) will all be gone and not fill up the nominations. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

::::Sorry, I have no knowledge of SciFi executive decisions - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thanks, I sort of asked in a panic. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:05, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== The role of the Marines. ==

When will we see a bigger role played by the Marines and avoid embarrasments like Starbuck's matrix attempt in Sacrifice? [[User:Panther|Panther]] 18:53, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Ron already said in the blog that he was embarrased about using Starbuck as "just happening to also be a sniper" in "[[Bastille Day]]". Also in the podcasts Ron has said that they dropped Corporal Venner as a recurring Marine character because fans weren't that intrested in that, but as a really religous Gemenon and a Marine, I actually kind of ''was'' interested in seeing him as a recurring character...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::I wasn't phased by her being a marksman but a "sniper" is a different ballgame. Sniping is more than shooting. Back on topic, I just want to see a Marine character of some importance on the show. I think too many shows go the way of PBI. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 11:41, 24 August 2006 (CDT)
:: Did RDM really say that? Sucks, 'cause I liked Venner. Honestly, I haven't read a single post where fans stated they weren't interested in a recurring Marine. And even if - isn't Ron always (rightly) claiming that BSG ain't a democracy? --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 14:42, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

The writers room has discussed having a continuing Marine character more than once, but thus far there's been no compelling story reason for doing so. So, if it is to happen, the character would arrive in a minor role and evolve the way Kat did in Luciana's capable hands. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:53, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:True. I wonder though if, in Lay Down Your Burdens, the ground rescue mission should have been commanded by a Marine who is probably trained for that sort of warfare. :D
:[[User:Panther|Panther]] 01:50, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::If we had a Marine officer as colorful as Starbuck, it probably would have. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Relations between the Colonial President and the Colonial Military ==

I was wondering ever since the Miniseries what the is the legal relationship between the president and military. Does the president have CINC powers or is it a loose relationship whereby the military is fairly independent but is fully dependent on the state it serves? I ask this because it seems that Roslin hasn't shown any power over the military, and Adama though he had a legitimate reason for a military coup. I'm thinking if Roslin had CINC powers Adama would have been less inclined to do so.
[[User:Panther|Panther]] 17:40, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::The best answer I can give is to have you check out the deal Roslin made with Adama in the miniseries. The two leaders are well aware of the new order imposed by the collapse of the Twelve Colonies. Adama has the guns and the loyalty of the only military force remaining. Fortunately, he believes in the ultimate authority of law -- unless it conflicts with his own view of military necessity. The relationship of civilian and military has been fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings. Roslin's true power appeared when she escaped detention aboard Galactica and went back to Kobol for the Arrow of Apollo, and Adama bowed to the Rule of Law by going with the majority in settling New Caprica. We'll see how this uneasy relationship continues to develop in Season 3 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 12:55, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::It appeared that this was the case, and the mini-series made this undoubtedly true. Legal relationships though tend to be different. I guess I'm looking for what maybe the articles may say on the matter. Thanks for the response.[[User:Panther|Panther]] 20:45, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== S.F.M. ==

Anastasia Dualla mentions in "Bastille Day" that the name of Tom Zarek's group was the S.F.M. What does this acronym stand for? It seems likely to mean "Sagittaron Freedom Movement", but we'd like to be sure. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:40, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::You'll hear more of them in Season 3 -- maybe. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:58, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Rank Insignia==
This is a minor question but one that I've had in the back of my mind for awhile, especially while working on the uniform and rank pages here. In the Miniseries, Boomer's Raptor is labeled "JRLIEUTENANT" for her rank. Assuming this is the Lieutenant Junior Grade rank, that would corespond with the rank insignia she had on, a diamond with a chevron in it that did not extend past the lower edge of the diamond. Later, in "33", Helo gives his rank as Lieutenant Junior Grade when he is captured. His insignia has the chevron extended so it goes beyond the edge of the diamond. The insignia is identical to the one that Starbuck, a definate Lieutenant wears (except for most of Hand of God, a gaffe, I assume). Gaeta has been seen wearing both. The reason I ask this is that in the new promotional shots for Season 3, Dualla wears this rank insignia on her blue uniform. I basically want to know, which insignia corresponds to which rank? Thank you in advance for the answer and keep up the good work on the show. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:37, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:From a picture Glenne Campbell showed me -

:Jr Lt - one short chevron
:Sr Lt - one long cheveron
:Captain - two long chevrons
:Major - three long chevrons
:Lt Colonel - gold star, white background
:Colonel - gold star with some gizmo I can't recognize on gold BG, gold lower triangle
:Commander - gold star with the same gizmo on gold BG, gold upper & lower triangles and some white thing behind the whole shebang.

:Senior pilot-officer wings are outspread. Junior pilot officer wings are swept back. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks a whole lot, one question though, what is the insignia for Ensign? We've seen some in Scar but they had LTJG rank on IIRC. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:37, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::We're a bit behind in the documentation of this -- the sketches I've seen don't yet carry the ensign rank designator. Or that of Admiral. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:44, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Okay, that makes sense, since Mr Moore's blog entry on ranks didn't mention a Lt. Col. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:46, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks. And that gizmo you're speaking off is the Colonial Phoenix. The bird symbol that's on the Colonial seal --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:39, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Heh. I just wanted to make a comment about this.
By intuition one would probably say "longer chevron = higher rank". But I think there is enough evidence to reverse that case here.
I think Helo started as jay-gee and Sharon as a full Lieutenant. Helo calls her "sir" once or twice. That makes her Raptor markings an error. Later Helo got promoted and is wearing the "short chevron" insignia.
The same one worn by most other Lieutenants like Starbuck and Gaeta.
Now and then especially Starbuck can be seen with the "long chevron" insignia. Those are costuming errors. Often they :happen when characters switch between the green and blue uniforms.

Dualla also wears a completely new insignia in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" but is called Lieutenant. Is there any meaning behind that? Maybe a brevet rank?

I don't want to be presumptous, but maybe the actors could check their rank pins when they receive a new uniform. That shouldn't take too long. The errors are no big deal, but interesting
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 22:15 CET, September 1st 2006
:The reason I bring this up is that I'm a military history buff, an ROTC cadet, and a DA Civilian so this is very interesting to me. From watching the show, this is what I've been able to gather.
*Sharon's Raptor is still marked like that all the way through Season 1.
*Dee had an unusual insignia in LDYB PII but is refered to as a Lieutenant and in the promotional shots for Season 3, wears a short-chevron insignia as seen in [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000f5p5f this pic].(Warning-big pic)
*Starbuck consistantly wears the long-chevron rank, except for the majority of Hand of God (she wore the long rank in the celebration scene in the hanger.
*Helo is now a full Lieutenant according to some things Penikett has said. In the promo shots for Season 3, he still wears the long insignia, as seen [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000er4a3 here]. (Big pic again)
*Gaeta goes back and forth between the two.
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:19, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Going through screencaps I think you're right and Starbuck usually has "long chevron". Especially in the first season. I checked "Act of Contrition", "Flesh and Bone" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming" for example.
I didn't notice any inconsistences with Sharon yet

About Helo:
I thought he had "short chevron" in Season 2...However I just checked my DVDs and he's still wearing "long chevron" in 'Flight of the Phoenix', 'Epiphanies' and probably 'Scar'! I couldn't see it very clearly in the latter one.
So that promotion thing might not be true. Or at least it wasn't reflected in the costuming yet

What that argument gone, I guess one could just as easily say that Helo stating his rank was a gaffe and thus conclude that "long chevron = Lt. SG" and "short chevron = Lt. JG" which also makes Sharon's Raptor right.
Very confusing...
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly, and the reason for me asking. He also has long chevrons rank in Season 1, especially visible in the restaurant scenes in, I think, Hand of God. His promotion and postition on Galactica circa LDYB PII was from an interview. It said that he was promoted to full Lieutenant sometime after returning to the ship. Also, even if he outranked her (which can be implied in the Miniseries {First you're flying with rooks and now you're betting against Starbuck} or something like that), he sould still call her sir since she would be in command of the Raptor. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, I already thought that maybe she outranked him because of position and not rank.
::I probably made some wrong conclusions, because I had a false memory of Starbuck's rank pins. Sorry.
::In Season 2, hers are harder to track because she's often out of uniform until she returns from Caprica. But in "Pegasus" and "RS, I" it's "long chevron". And then she's promoted to Captain by Admiral Cain.
::And if Helo is already a Lt. SG, then Tahmoh's story about a promotion would be false--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thus the dilemma. My thoughts are as follows: Boomer is a junior LTJG, still a rookie. Helo is a LTJG also, but with much more experience and more tours of duty. Except for the insignia problems, as well as Boomer's bag in "Water" that was marked "Lieutenant Sharon Valerii," this fits with what we have seen. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:58, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Sharon's rankpin is always LT.JG (short chevron). I didn't notice an error there yet. Maybe they just leave the SG/JG stuff from clothing. And Helo's is very consistently LT.SG (long chevron). So how about Helo is indeed a LT.SG - and considering his comment to Six a writing error - but Sharon is still in charge of missions because she's the pilot and he's just the ECO?
::::I'd prefer to go with one error in dialogue over considering his rankpin in ALL episodes an error.

:I would, too. But a mission commander is not necessarily the senior officer present. And, "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for and is the final authority as to the operation of that aircraft." Unless mission requirements supercede that requirement. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::My main question remaining now is Dualla's rankpin in LDYB. Though in one released S3 pic she's wearing a regular Lt. pin I think. Maybe Mr. Thompson can shed some light on that --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:21, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::The problem is that we don't know if the which pin belongs to which rank, thus my question. In the promo shot of Dualla I linked to above, she wears the short chevron insignia. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:We're a bit behind in the documentation of this -- the sketches I've seen don't yet carry the ensign rank designator - but Dualla has moved beyond that to a Junior Lt by the time Season Two closes, which is consistent with the short chevron insignia. (Long Chevron is Sr. Lt) Also consider that promotions (and demotions) do happen on Galactica that we don't get to see. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

==Blackbird: Efficient Construction Crew?==

Hey, I would like to refer you to this article[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Blackbird#Appearance_before_Construction.3F]]. Just looking for clarification, I suppose- was this just a VFX gaff, or is there something you lot haven't told us yet? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:55, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:::The Blackbird shouldn't be mixing it up out there. Looks as if the VFX guys are trying to keep us on our toes. Even if it were in service at that time, the Blackbird has no guns and doesn't turn well enough to be a survivable dogfighter. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:57, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode #3]] ==

On the description it says "''Tigh and Tyrol hide weapons while '''Duck and his wife''' clash over religion.''". Is this correct or was their a mistake? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:24, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::A hideous blunder. They're not married. ;) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:56, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::And they didn't really clash. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, it's obvious there not married, they didn't really argue ;)--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:55, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I shudder what would happen without us. :-) Ok. Thanks brad. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:59, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Great job on the webisodes by the way! Exceeding expectations. (Also, great catch, shane). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thank you. We're very proud of them, and hope you'll find the others won't let you down. As of the 2nd webisode posting, the SciFi trackers told us that they had over a million streams. Wish the folks outside US IP addresses could share in the fun. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:26, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::We can. Just by, erm, other means. I like them so far. Nice appetizers for season 3 and I can already see that they provide some background for future developments --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:33, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: (Right when we need a "drop jaw icon") WOW! Just imaging that without the non-US block. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:35, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Maybe I shouldn't say it, but in this case, I'm glad there are... erm...other means - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:39, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Indeed, and as a non American I have been very impressed so far with the webisodes. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::thanks. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== The international webisode question ==

Hi Bradley - I haven't been able to find any rationale for why the webisodes aren't available outside the US, as mentioned above. Can you shed any light on the thinking behind this decision? Thanks! - [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 10:00, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I asked SciFi.com. Their answer: "We'd like to make them available to viewers outside the US but for various legal reasons we're unable to." International broadcast agreements are complicated and these decisions/reasons are way above my pay grade. You may remember that Sky One got to air the first season in the UK before it showed up in the US. I'd bet that something similar is going on here. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:06, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I don't even understand how they can make them unavailable to some people (technically, not legally). I thought URLs take everyone to the same place, no matter where they are located. battlestarwiki.org is still battlestarwiki.org in Korea, right? Or is it a porn site there? ;) --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:40, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::That's a question better answered by a web designer. Got one handy? - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:47, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::(/me waves hand) Checking out the "code" and watching my internet packets be sent out to the internet, it does it a werid way. For simpleicy reasons what it does is downloads the whole movie first, then checks your "GEO" area (as explained by CA below). If your GEO is not correctthen it unloads the movie is shows the error. There is a twist. They embed proxy checking. So if you are running behind a proxy, it disables it all together. This is just a quick overview. Going to be doing a more through look later. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:54, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I think it has to do with SAG and other guild laws than it has to do with the technical aspect of it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:59, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I believe the technicalities involve the allocation of IP address ranges. It's public information which blocks (starting numbers) correspond to which countries (or other entities, down to reasonably small chunks). See http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp for a demonstration. Then one simply makes the server return different responses to requests from different ranges. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 22:22, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Yes, that too. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:32, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::Ohh, by the way, just go to youtube and they are there. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:41, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::FYI, NBC-Universal has been proactively pulling down anything on youtube that pertains to the webisodes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:59, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::: Mercifully, there's a lag between the time a clip goes up, the time NBC finds it, and the time YouTube actually gets around to it. It's usually enough of a gap to get 2.5 minutes of webisode viewing in. Thanks for asking into it, Bradley! [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 23:40, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

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==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

::::always. "Crossroads" became "The Resistance." It can blow at any seam. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:37, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Acala's dailies were awesome and the cut I've seen is... pretty cool. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT) updated when I realized the question wasn't about Ep 11 (which we were shooting when I first answered, but about "Exodus" - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:41, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Hardy
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir Garcia
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir Nankin
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir Mimica-Gizzan
*[[Episode 3.18]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.19]] - Dir Michael Rymer, written by Mark Verheiden & possibly Ron Moore.
:: directors added for eps 14-19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:28, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::It now looks as if Michael Angeli is flying solo for episode 17. Added Mark & maybe Ron to Ep 3.19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Thank you for all the delightfully authoritative information. I don't mean to be a bother, but it's in my nature to nitpick. Is "Taking A Break from All Your Worries" intentionally cased like that, or should it be "Taking a Break from All Your Worries" like the normal convention (assuming that's ''a'' the article)? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:47, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The actual casing (from the title page on the Full Yellow Production Draft) is Taking a Break From All Your Worries. I have no idea what Michael Taylor has in mind with that. But assume that he has a plan... - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:51, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Will "Occupation / Precipice" really be one two-hour episode, or two episodes shown together? As in having two intros.
And will there be an episode 3.20, or is 3.19 the finale?
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:21, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

::I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Laurette Spang?==
There has been news passing around that [[Laurette Spang-McCook|Laurette Spang]], who played [[Cassiopeia]] on the Original Series, has been playing e-mail tag with [[David Eick]] about a possible role on the Re-imagined Series. Has this progressed beyond a theoretical thing and into an actual part being worked on? Or is this still just an idea David was batting around? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:03, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

::The contents of David Eick's e-box are WAY above my pay grade. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::I'd still like a confirm from Ron about the Jane Seymour role, which she was apparently offered for Pegasus and turned down. I know... different TOS actor. (Jane and Laurette were my favorite TOS ladies) On top of that, there's those persistent Anne Lockhart cameo stories which seem to pop up like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin reunion rumors. David (Weddle, not Eick) told me that they talked about Seymour as a prototype for D'Anna Biers but that's about as much he knew on the subject. But I'm one of those that never lets an inquiry die untli I've gotten to the bottom of it... ;-) --[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 21:16, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Transcript Permission Contact ==
An interest has been expressed to host episode transcripts here, using inline links to link the episode content to the relevent articles here. Before undertaking such an effort, we would want to get (written) permission from the appropriate powers that be. Could you point us in the right direction as to who we could contact for such permission? If you are comfortable giving us direction (but not posting it here) feel free to [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Steelviper email myself] or any of the other admins (especially [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Peter_Farago Peter Farago], our Copyright Specialist). We appreciate any help in this regard, and this is the type of project that will NOT proceed unless we get an official "green light". We worried enough about the issues with the podcast transcripts... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:16, 11 August 2006 (CDT)

:You see there are actually websites that ''already'' have transcripts (fan-made) and we refer to them alot (though they're less than perfect, of course, and we have to rewatch things on our own often, to make sure), and eventually we said "Why not just recopy them here, to move towards making this the one stop for all episode info?" but we thought we'd run into legal troubles....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:12, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::This sounds like a pretty good idea, I mean this is a nonprofit organization, what possible money can we get from just hosting scripts of the episodes. If NBC asks to cease and desist, why not just do it until they tell us not too? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:20, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Why put the effort into something and then have to delete it? :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:23, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::While I understand and appreciate the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" mentality (especially in its kinship to the "be bold" attitude), how can we expect others to respect our license (Creative Commons) if we ourselves are willing to violate the copyright of others? Especially the copyright of the people responsible for making the content that we document/describe/summarize (something akin to biting the hand that feeds you). I'd love to see the episode transcripts here (in full linkified glory), but I'd rather not jeopardize the integrity of the wiki and expose it to legal risk, especially only to host content that is already easily available to those interested. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:25, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
::::You know what, I'll start my own BattlestarWiki, and it'll be called CertainlY cooLer then that Other battlestarwiki Nonsense, or C.Y.L.O.N. for short and I'll host scripts on there and disregard NBC. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

==Cancellation Rumor==

The rumor is circulating that S4 is in jeopardy along with "Caprica." Given that series are always under a "ratings gun" and concerned caused by the cancellation of SG-1, if there is any truth to the rumor, is there something as fans that we can do now? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:36, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:There was also a rumor that the show would move to Tuesday nights, but that hasn't materialized. While the cancelation of SG-1 raises concerns about ratings and budget A) it's the top rated show on the channel B) It won a Peabody award and critics love it C) They've got a real chance to win at next year's Emmys, when the old shows which filled up this years (West Wing, Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Commander in Chief, etc.) will all be gone and not fill up the nominations. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

::::Sorry, I have no knowledge of SciFi executive decisions - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thanks, I sort of asked in a panic. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:05, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== The role of the Marines. ==

When will we see a bigger role played by the Marines and avoid embarrasments like Starbuck's matrix attempt in Sacrifice? [[User:Panther|Panther]] 18:53, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Ron already said in the blog that he was embarrased about using Starbuck as "just happening to also be a sniper" in "[[Bastille Day]]". Also in the podcasts Ron has said that they dropped Corporal Venner as a recurring Marine character because fans weren't that intrested in that, but as a really religous Gemenon and a Marine, I actually kind of ''was'' interested in seeing him as a recurring character...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::I wasn't phased by her being a marksman but a "sniper" is a different ballgame. Sniping is more than shooting. Back on topic, I just want to see a Marine character of some importance on the show. I think too many shows go the way of PBI. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 11:41, 24 August 2006 (CDT)
:: Did RDM really say that? Sucks, 'cause I liked Venner. Honestly, I haven't read a single post where fans stated they weren't interested in a recurring Marine. And even if - isn't Ron always (rightly) claiming that BSG ain't a democracy? --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 14:42, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

The writers room has discussed having a continuing Marine character more than once, but thus far there's been no compelling story reason for doing so. So, if it is to happen, the character would arrive in a minor role and evolve the way Kat did in Luciana's capable hands. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:53, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:True. I wonder though if, in Lay Down Your Burdens, the ground rescue mission should have been commanded by a Marine who is probably trained for that sort of warfare. :D
:[[User:Panther|Panther]] 01:50, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::If we had a Marine officer as colorful as Starbuck, it probably would have. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Relations between the Colonial President and the Colonial Military ==

I was wondering ever since the Miniseries what the is the legal relationship between the president and military. Does the president have CINC powers or is it a loose relationship whereby the military is fairly independent but is fully dependent on the state it serves? I ask this because it seems that Roslin hasn't shown any power over the military, and Adama though he had a legitimate reason for a military coup. I'm thinking if Roslin had CINC powers Adama would have been less inclined to do so.
[[User:Panther|Panther]] 17:40, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::The best answer I can give is to have you check out the deal Roslin made with Adama in the miniseries. The two leaders are well aware of the new order imposed by the collapse of the Twelve Colonies. Adama has the guns and the loyalty of the only military force remaining. Fortunately, he believes in the ultimate authority of law -- unless it conflicts with his own view of military necessity. The relationship of civilian and military has been fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings. Roslin's true power appeared when she escaped detention aboard Galactica and went back to Kobol for the Arrow of Apollo, and Adama bowed to the Rule of Law by going with the majority in settling New Caprica. We'll see how this uneasy relationship continues to develop in Season 3 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 12:55, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::It appeared that this was the case, and the mini-series made this undoubtedly true. Legal relationships though tend to be different. I guess I'm looking for what maybe the articles may say on the matter. Thanks for the response.[[User:Panther|Panther]] 20:45, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== S.F.M. ==

Anastasia Dualla mentions in "Bastille Day" that the name of Tom Zarek's group was the S.F.M. What does this acronym stand for? It seems likely to mean "Sagittaron Freedom Movement", but we'd like to be sure. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:40, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::You'll hear more of them in Season 3 -- maybe. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:58, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Rank Insignia==
This is a minor question but one that I've had in the back of my mind for awhile, especially while working on the uniform and rank pages here. In the Miniseries, Boomer's Raptor is labeled "JRLIEUTENANT" for her rank. Assuming this is the Lieutenant Junior Grade rank, that would corespond with the rank insignia she had on, a diamond with a chevron in it that did not extend past the lower edge of the diamond. Later, in "33", Helo gives his rank as Lieutenant Junior Grade when he is captured. His insignia has the chevron extended so it goes beyond the edge of the diamond. The insignia is identical to the one that Starbuck, a definate Lieutenant wears (except for most of Hand of God, a gaffe, I assume). Gaeta has been seen wearing both. The reason I ask this is that in the new promotional shots for Season 3, Dualla wears this rank insignia on her blue uniform. I basically want to know, which insignia corresponds to which rank? Thank you in advance for the answer and keep up the good work on the show. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:37, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:From a picture Glenne Campbell showed me -

:Jr Lt - one short chevron
:Sr Lt - one long cheveron
:Captain - two long chevrons
:Major - three long chevrons
:Lt Colonel - gold star, white background
:Colonel - gold star with some gizmo I can't recognize on gold BG, gold lower triangle
:Commander - gold star with the same gizmo on gold BG, gold upper & lower triangles and some white thing behind the whole shebang.

:Senior pilot-officer wings are outspread. Junior pilot officer wings are swept back. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks a whole lot, one question though, what is the insignia for Ensign? We've seen some in Scar but they had LTJG rank on IIRC. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:37, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::We're a bit behind in the documentation of this -- the sketches I've seen don't yet carry the ensign rank designator. Or that of Admiral. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:44, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Okay, that makes sense, since Mr Moore's blog entry on ranks didn't mention a Lt. Col. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:46, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks. And that gizmo you're speaking off is the Colonial Phoenix. The bird symbol that's on the Colonial seal --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:39, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Heh. I just wanted to make a comment about this.
By intuition one would probably say "longer chevron = higher rank". But I think there is enough evidence to reverse that case here.
I think Helo started as jay-gee and Sharon as a full Lieutenant. Helo calls her "sir" once or twice. That makes her Raptor markings an error. Later Helo got promoted and is wearing the "short chevron" insignia.
The same one worn by most other Lieutenants like Starbuck and Gaeta.
Now and then especially Starbuck can be seen with the "long chevron" insignia. Those are costuming errors. Often they :happen when characters switch between the green and blue uniforms.

Dualla also wears a completely new insignia in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" but is called Lieutenant. Is there any meaning behind that? Maybe a brevet rank?

I don't want to be presumptous, but maybe the actors could check their rank pins when they receive a new uniform. That shouldn't take too long. The errors are no big deal, but interesting
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 22:15 CET, September 1st 2006
:The reason I bring this up is that I'm a military history buff, an ROTC cadet, and a DA Civilian so this is very interesting to me. From watching the show, this is what I've been able to gather.
*Sharon's Raptor is still marked like that all the way through Season 1.
*Dee had an unusual insignia in LDYB PII but is refered to as a Lieutenant and in the promotional shots for Season 3, wears a short-chevron insignia as seen in [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000f5p5f this pic].(Warning-big pic)
*Starbuck consistantly wears the long-chevron rank, except for the majority of Hand of God (she wore the long rank in the celebration scene in the hanger.
*Helo is now a full Lieutenant according to some things Penikett has said. In the promo shots for Season 3, he still wears the long insignia, as seen [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000er4a3 here]. (Big pic again)
*Gaeta goes back and forth between the two.
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:19, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Going through screencaps I think you're right and Starbuck usually has "long chevron". Especially in the first season. I checked "Act of Contrition", "Flesh and Bone" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming" for example.
I didn't notice any inconsistences with Sharon yet

About Helo:
I thought he had "short chevron" in Season 2...However I just checked my DVDs and he's still wearing "long chevron" in 'Flight of the Phoenix', 'Epiphanies' and probably 'Scar'! I couldn't see it very clearly in the latter one.
So that promotion thing might not be true. Or at least it wasn't reflected in the costuming yet

What that argument gone, I guess one could just as easily say that Helo stating his rank was a gaffe and thus conclude that "long chevron = Lt. SG" and "short chevron = Lt. JG" which also makes Sharon's Raptor right.
Very confusing...
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly, and the reason for me asking. He also has long chevrons rank in Season 1, especially visible in the restaurant scenes in, I think, Hand of God. His promotion and postition on Galactica circa LDYB PII was from an interview. It said that he was promoted to full Lieutenant sometime after returning to the ship. Also, even if he outranked her (which can be implied in the Miniseries {First you're flying with rooks and now you're betting against Starbuck} or something like that), he sould still call her sir since she would be in command of the Raptor. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, I already thought that maybe she outranked him because of position and not rank.
::I probably made some wrong conclusions, because I had a false memory of Starbuck's rank pins. Sorry.
::In Season 2, hers are harder to track because she's often out of uniform until she returns from Caprica. But in "Pegasus" and "RS, I" it's "long chevron". And then she's promoted to Captain by Admiral Cain.
::And if Helo is already a Lt. SG, then Tahmoh's story about a promotion would be false--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thus the dilemma. My thoughts are as follows: Boomer is a junior LTJG, still a rookie. Helo is a LTJG also, but with much more experience and more tours of duty. Except for the insignia problems, as well as Boomer's bag in "Water" that was marked "Lieutenant Sharon Valerii," this fits with what we have seen. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:58, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Sharon's rankpin is always LT.JG (short chevron). I didn't notice an error there yet. Maybe they just leave the SG/JG stuff from clothing. And Helo's is very consistently LT.SG (long chevron). So how about Helo is indeed a LT.SG - and considering his comment to Six a writing error - but Sharon is still in charge of missions because she's the pilot and he's just the ECO?
::::I'd prefer to go with one error in dialogue over considering his rankpin in ALL episodes an error.

:I would, too. But a mission commander is not necessarily the senior officer present. And, "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for and is the final authority as to the operation of that aircraft." Unless mission requirements supercede that requirement. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::My main question remaining now is Dualla's rankpin in LDYB. Though in one released S3 pic she's wearing a regular Lt. pin I think. Maybe Mr. Thompson can shed some light on that --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:21, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::The problem is that we don't know if the which pin belongs to which rank, thus my question. In the promo shot of Dualla I linked to above, she wears the short chevron insignia. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:We're a bit behind in the documentation of this -- the sketches I've seen don't yet carry the ensign rank designator - but Dualla has moved beyond that to a Junior Lt by the time Season Two closes, which is consistent with the short chevron insignia. (Long Chevron is Sr. Lt) Also consider that promotions (and demotions) do happen on Galactica that we don't get to see. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

==Blackbird: Efficient Construction Crew?==

Hey, I would like to refer you to this article[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Blackbird#Appearance_before_Construction.3F]]. Just looking for clarification, I suppose- was this just a VFX gaff, or is there something you lot haven't told us yet? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:55, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:::The Blackbird shouldn't be mixing it up out there. Looks as if the VFX guys are trying to keep us on our toes. Even if it were in service at that time, the Blackbird has no guns and doesn't turn well enough to be a survivable dogfighter. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:57, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode #3]] ==

On the description it says "''Tigh and Tyrol hide weapons while '''Duck and his wife''' clash over religion.''". Is this correct or was their a mistake? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:24, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::A hideous blunder. They're not married. ;) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:56, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::And they didn't really clash. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, it's obvious there not married, they didn't really argue ;)--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:55, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I shudder what would happen without us. :-) Ok. Thanks brad. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:59, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Great job on the webisodes by the way! Exceeding expectations. (Also, great catch, shane). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thank you. We're very proud of them, and hope you'll find the others won't let you down. As of the 2nd webisode posting, the SciFi trackers told us that they had over a million streams. Wish the folks outside US IP addresses could share in the fun. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:26, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::We can. Just by, erm, other means. I like them so far. Nice appetizers for season 3 and I can already see that they provide some background for future developments --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:33, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: (Right when we need a "drop jaw icon") WOW! Just imaging that without the non-US block. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:35, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Maybe I shouldn't say it, but in this case, I'm glad there are... erm...other means - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:39, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Indeed, and as a non American I have been very impressed so far with the webisodes. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::thanks. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== The international webisode question ==

Hi Bradley - I haven't been able to find any rationale for why the webisodes aren't available outside the US, as mentioned above. Can you shed any light on the thinking behind this decision? Thanks! - [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 10:00, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I asked SciFi.com. Their answer: "We'd like to make them available to viewers outside the US but for various legal reasons we're unable to." International broadcast agreements are complicated and these decisions/reasons are way above my pay grade. You may remember that Sky One got to air the first season in the UK before it showed up in the US. I'd bet that something similar is going on here. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:06, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I don't even understand how they can make them unavailable to some people (technically, not legally). I thought URLs take everyone to the same place, no matter where they are located. battlestarwiki.org is still battlestarwiki.org in Korea, right? Or is it a porn site there? ;) --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:40, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::That's a question better answered by a web designer. Got one handy? - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:47, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::(/me waves hand) Checking out the "code" and watching my internet packets be sent out to the internet, it does it a werid way. For simpleicy reasons what it does is downloads the whole movie first, then checks your "GEO" area (as explained by CA below). If your GEO is not correctthen it unloads the movie is shows the error. There is a twist. They embed proxy checking. So if you are running behind a proxy, it disables it all together. This is just a quick overview. Going to be doing a more through look later. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:54, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I think it has to do with SAG and other guild laws than it has to do with the technical aspect of it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:59, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I believe the technicalities involve the allocation of IP address ranges. It's public information which blocks (starting numbers) correspond to which countries (or other entities, down to reasonably small chunks). See http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp for a demonstration. Then one simply makes the server return different responses to requests from different ranges. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 22:22, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Yes, that too. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:32, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::Ohh, by the way, just go to youtube and they are there. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:41, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::FYI, NBC-Universal has been proactively pulling down anything on youtube that pertains to the webisodes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:59, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:::: Mercifully, there's a lag between the time a clip goes up, the time NBC finds it, and the time YouTube actually gets around to it. It's usually enough of a gap to get 2.5 minutes of webisode viewing in. Thanks for asking into it, Bradley!

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==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Hardy
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir Garcia
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir Nankin
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir Mimica-Gizzan
*[[Episode 3.18]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.19]] - Dir Michael Rymer, written by Mark Verheiden & possibly Ron Moore.
:: directors added for eps 14-19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:28, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::It now looks as if Michael Angeli is flying solo for episode 17. Added Mark & maybe Ron to Ep 3.19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Thank you for all the delightfully authoritative information. I don't mean to be a bother, but it's in my nature to nitpick. Is "Taking A Break from All Your Worries" intentionally cased like that, or should it be "Taking a Break from All Your Worries" like the normal convention (assuming that's ''a'' the article)? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:47, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The actual casing (from the title page on the Full Yellow Production Draft) is Taking a Break From All Your Worries. I have no idea what Michael Taylor has in mind with that. But assume that he has a plan... - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:51, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Will "Occupation / Precipice" really be one two-hour episode, or two episodes shown together? As in having two intros.
And will there be an episode 3.20, or is 3.19 the finale?
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:21, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

::I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Laurette Spang?==
There has been news passing around that [[Laurette Spang-McCook|Laurette Spang]], who played [[Cassiopeia]] on the Original Series, has been playing e-mail tag with [[David Eick]] about a possible role on the Re-imagined Series. Has this progressed beyond a theoretical thing and into an actual part being worked on? Or is this still just an idea David was batting around? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:03, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

::The contents of David Eick's e-box are WAY above my pay grade. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::I'd still like a confirm from Ron about the Jane Seymour role, which she was apparently offered for Pegasus and turned down. I know... different TOS actor. (Jane and Laurette were my favorite TOS ladies) On top of that, there's those persistent Anne Lockhart cameo stories which seem to pop up like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin reunion rumors. David (Weddle, not Eick) told me that they talked about Seymour as a prototype for D'Anna Biers but that's about as much he knew on the subject. But I'm one of those that never lets an inquiry die untli I've gotten to the bottom of it... ;-) --[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 21:16, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Transcript Permission Contact ==
An interest has been expressed to host episode transcripts here, using inline links to link the episode content to the relevent articles here. Before undertaking such an effort, we would want to get (written) permission from the appropriate powers that be. Could you point us in the right direction as to who we could contact for such permission? If you are comfortable giving us direction (but not posting it here) feel free to [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Steelviper email myself] or any of the other admins (especially [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Peter_Farago Peter Farago], our Copyright Specialist). We appreciate any help in this regard, and this is the type of project that will NOT proceed unless we get an official "green light". We worried enough about the issues with the podcast transcripts... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:16, 11 August 2006 (CDT)

:You see there are actually websites that ''already'' have transcripts (fan-made) and we refer to them alot (though they're less than perfect, of course, and we have to rewatch things on our own often, to make sure), and eventually we said "Why not just recopy them here, to move towards making this the one stop for all episode info?" but we thought we'd run into legal troubles....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:12, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::This sounds like a pretty good idea, I mean this is a nonprofit organization, what possible money can we get from just hosting scripts of the episodes. If NBC asks to cease and desist, why not just do it until they tell us not too? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:20, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Why put the effort into something and then have to delete it? :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:23, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::While I understand and appreciate the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" mentality (especially in its kinship to the "be bold" attitude), how can we expect others to respect our license (Creative Commons) if we ourselves are willing to violate the copyright of others? Especially the copyright of the people responsible for making the content that we document/describe/summarize (something akin to biting the hand that feeds you). I'd love to see the episode transcripts here (in full linkified glory), but I'd rather not jeopardize the integrity of the wiki and expose it to legal risk, especially only to host content that is already easily available to those interested. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:25, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
::::You know what, I'll start my own BattlestarWiki, and it'll be called CertainlY cooLer then that Other battlestarwiki Nonsense, or C.Y.L.O.N. for short and I'll host scripts on there and disregard NBC. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

==Cancellation Rumor==

The rumor is circulating that S4 is in jeopardy along with "Caprica." Given that series are always under a "ratings gun" and concerned caused by the cancellation of SG-1, if there is any truth to the rumor, is there something as fans that we can do now? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:36, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:There was also a rumor that the show would move to Tuesday nights, but that hasn't materialized. While the cancelation of SG-1 raises concerns about ratings and budget A) it's the top rated show on the channel B) It won a Peabody award and critics love it C) They've got a real chance to win at next year's Emmys, when the old shows which filled up this years (West Wing, Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Commander in Chief, etc.) will all be gone and not fill up the nominations. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

::::Sorry, I have no knowledge of SciFi executive decisions - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thanks, I sort of asked in a panic. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:05, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== The role of the Marines. ==

When will we see a bigger role played by the Marines and avoid embarrasments like Starbuck's matrix attempt in Sacrifice? [[User:Panther|Panther]] 18:53, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Ron already said in the blog that he was embarrased about using Starbuck as "just happening to also be a sniper" in "[[Bastille Day]]". Also in the podcasts Ron has said that they dropped Corporal Venner as a recurring Marine character because fans weren't that intrested in that, but as a really religous Gemenon and a Marine, I actually kind of ''was'' interested in seeing him as a recurring character...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::I wasn't phased by her being a marksman but a "sniper" is a different ballgame. Sniping is more than shooting. Back on topic, I just want to see a Marine character of some importance on the show. I think too many shows go the way of PBI. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 11:41, 24 August 2006 (CDT)
:: Did RDM really say that? Sucks, 'cause I liked Venner. Honestly, I haven't read a single post where fans stated they weren't interested in a recurring Marine. And even if - isn't Ron always (rightly) claiming that BSG ain't a democracy? --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 14:42, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

The writers room has discussed having a continuing Marine character more than once, but thus far there's been no compelling story reason for doing so. So, if it is to happen, the character would arrive in a minor role and evolve the way Kat did in Luciana's capable hands. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:53, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:True. I wonder though if, in Lay Down Your Burdens, the ground rescue mission should have been commanded by a Marine who is probably trained for that sort of warfare. :D
:[[User:Panther|Panther]] 01:50, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::If we had a Marine officer as colorful as Starbuck, it probably would have. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Relations between the Colonial President and the Colonial Military ==

I was wondering ever since the Miniseries what the is the legal relationship between the president and military. Does the president have CINC powers or is it a loose relationship whereby the military is fairly independent but is fully dependent on the state it serves? I ask this because it seems that Roslin hasn't shown any power over the military, and Adama though he had a legitimate reason for a military coup. I'm thinking if Roslin had CINC powers Adama would have been less inclined to do so.
[[User:Panther|Panther]] 17:40, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::The best answer I can give is to have you check out the deal Roslin made with Adama in the miniseries. The two leaders are well aware of the new order imposed by the collapse of the Twelve Colonies. Adama has the guns and the loyalty of the only military force remaining. Fortunately, he believes in the ultimate authority of law -- unless it conflicts with his own view of military necessity. The relationship of civilian and military has been fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings. Roslin's true power appeared when she escaped detention aboard Galactica and went back to Kobol for the Arrow of Apollo, and Adama bowed to the Rule of Law by going with the majority in settling New Caprica. We'll see how this uneasy relationship continues to develop in Season 3 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 12:55, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== S.F.M. ==

Anastasia Dualla mentions in "Bastille Day" that the name of Tom Zarek's group was the S.F.M. What does this acronym stand for? It seems likely to mean "Sagittaron Freedom Movement", but we'd like to be sure. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:40, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::You'll hear more of them in Season 3 -- maybe. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:58, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Rank Insignia==
This is a minor question but one that I've had in the back of my mind for awhile, especially while working on the uniform and rank pages here. In the Miniseries, Boomer's Raptor is labeled "JRLIEUTENANT" for her rank. Assuming this is the Lieutenant Junior Grade rank, that would corespond with the rank insignia she had on, a diamond with a chevron in it that did not extend past the lower edge of the diamond. Later, in "33", Helo gives his rank as Lieutenant Junior Grade when he is captured. His insignia has the chevron extended so it goes beyond the edge of the diamond. The insignia is identical to the one that Starbuck, a definate Lieutenant wears (except for most of Hand of God, a gaffe, I assume). Gaeta has been seen wearing both. The reason I ask this is that in the new promotional shots for Season 3, Dualla wears this rank insignia on her blue uniform. I basically want to know, which insignia corresponds to which rank? Thank you in advance for the answer and keep up the good work on the show. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:37, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

Heh. I just wanted to make a comment about this.
By intuition one would probably say "longer chevron = higher rank". But I think there is enough evidence to reverse that case here.
I think Helo started as jay-gee and Sharon as a full Lieutenant. Helo calls her "sir" once or twice. That makes her Raptor markings an error. Later Helo got promoted and is wearing the "short chevron" insignia.
The same one worn by most other Lieutenants like Starbuck and Gaeta.
Now and then especially Starbuck can be seen with the "long chevron" insignia. Those are costuming errors. Often they :happen when characters switch between the green and blue uniforms.

Dualla also wears a completely new insignia in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" but is called Lieutenant. Is there any meaning behind that? Maybe a brevet rank?

I don't want to be presumptous, but maybe the actors could check their rank pins when they receive a new uniform. That shouldn't take too long. The errors are no big deal, but interesting
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 22:15 CET, September 1st 2006
:The reason I bring this up is that I'm a military history buff, an ROTC cadet, and a DA Civilian so this is very interesting to me. From watching the show, this is what I've been able to gather.
*Sharon's Raptor is still marked like that all the way through Season 1.
*Dee had an unusual insignia in LDYB PII but is refered to as a Lieutenant and in the promotional shots for Season 3, wears a short-chevron insignia as seen in [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000f5p5f this pic].(Warning-big pic)
*Starbuck consistantly wears the long-chevron rank, except for the majority of Hand of God (she wore the long rank in the celebration scene in the hanger.
*Helo is now a full Lieutenant according to some things Penikett has said. In the promo shots for Season 3, he still wears the long insignia, as seen [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000er4a3 here]. (Big pic again)
*Gaeta goes back and forth between the two.
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:19, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Going through screencaps I think you're right and Starbuck usually has "long chevron". Especially in the first season. I checked "Act of Contrition", "Flesh and Bone" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming" for example.
I didn't notice any inconsistences with Sharon yet

About Helo:
I thought he had "short chevron" in Season 2...However I just checked my DVDs and he's still wearing "long chevron" in 'Flight of the Phoenix', 'Epiphanies' and probably 'Scar'! I couldn't see it very clearly in the latter one.
So that promotion thing might not be true. Or at least it wasn't reflected in the costuming yet

What that argument gone, I guess one could just as easily say that Helo stating his rank was a gaffe and thus conclude that "long chevron = Lt. SG" and "short chevron = Lt. JG" which also makes Sharon's Raptor right.
Very confusing...
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly, and the reason for me asking. He also has long chevrons rank in Season 1, especially visible in the restaurant scenes in, I think, Hand of God. His promotion and postition on Galactica circa LDYB PII was from an interview. It said that he was promoted to full Lieutenant sometime after returning to the ship. Also, even if he outranked her (which can be implied in the Miniseries {First you're flying with rooks and now you're betting against Starbuck} or something like that), he sould still call her sir since she would be in command of the Raptor. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, I already thought that maybe she outranked him because of position and not rank.
::I probably made some wrong conclusions, because I had a false memory of Starbuck's rank pins. Sorry.
::In Season 2, hers are harder to track because she's often out of uniform until she returns from Caprica. But in "Pegasus" and "RS, I" it's "long chevron". And then she's promoted to Captain by Admiral Cain.
::And if Helo is already a Lt. SG, then Tahmoh's story about a promotion would be false--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thus the dilemma. My thoughts are as follows: Boomer is a junior LTJG, still a rookie. Helo is a LTJG also, but with much more experience and more tours of duty. Except for the insignia problems, as well as Boomer's bag in "Water" that was marked "Lieutenant Sharon Valerii," this fits with what we have seen. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:58, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Sharon's rankpin is always LT.JG (short chevron). I didn't notice an error there yet. Maybe they just leave the SG/JG stuff from clothing. And Helo's is very consistently LT.SG (long chevron). So how about Helo is indeed a LT.SG - and considering his comment to Six a writing error - but Sharon is still in charge of missions because she's the pilot and he's just the ECO?
::::I'd prefer to go with one error in dialogue over considering his rankpin in ALL episodes an error.

::::My main question remaining now is Dualla's rankpin in LDYB. Though in one released S3 pic she's wearing a regular Lt. pin I think. Maybe Mr. Thompson can shed some light on that --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:21, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::The problem is that we don't know if the which pin belongs to which rank, thus my question. In the promo shot of Dualla I linked to above, she wears the short chevron insignia. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

==Blackbird: Efficient Construction Crew?==

Hey, I would like to refer you to this article[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Blackbird#Appearance_before_Construction.3F]]. Just looking for clarification, I suppose- was this just a VFX gaff, or is there something you lot haven't told us yet? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:55, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:::The Blackbird shouldn't be mixing it up out there. Looks as if the VFX guys are trying to keep us on our toes. Even if it were in service at that time, the Blackbird has no guns and doesn't turn well enough to be a survivable dogfighter. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:57, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode #3]] ==

On the description it says "''Tigh and Tyrol hide weapons while '''Duck and his wife''' clash over religion.''". Is this correct or was their a mistake? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:24, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::A hideous blunder. They're not married. ;) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:56, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::And they didn't really clash. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, it's obvious there not married, they didn't really argue ;)--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:55, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I shudder what would happen without us. :-) Ok. Thanks brad. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:59, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Great job on the webisodes by the way! Exceeding expectations. (Also, great catch, shane). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thank you. We're very proud of them, and hope you'll find the others won't let you down. As of the 2nd webisode posting, the SciFi trackers told us that they had over a million streams. Wish the folks outside US IP addresses could share in the fun. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:26, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::We can. Just by, erm, other means. I like them so far. Nice appetizers for season 3 and I can already see that they provide some background for future developments --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:33, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: (Right when we need a "drop jaw icon") WOW! Just imaging that without the non-US block. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:35, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Maybe I shouldn't say it, but in this case, I'm glad there are... erm...other means - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:39, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Indeed, and as a non American I have been very impressed so far with the webisodes. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== The international webisode question ==

Hi Bradley - I haven't been able to find any rationale for why the webisodes aren't available outside the US, as mentioned above. Can you shed any light on the thinking behind this decision? Thanks! - [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 10:00, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

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==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Hardy
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir Garcia
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir Nankin
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir Mimica-Gizzan
*[[Episode 3.18]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.19]] - Dir Michael Rymer, written by Mark Verheiden & possibly Ron Moore.
:: directors added for eps 14-19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:28, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::It now looks as if Michael Angeli is flying solo for episode 17. Added Mark & maybe Ron to Ep 3.19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Thank you for all the delightfully authoritative information. I don't mean to be a bother, but it's in my nature to nitpick. Is "Taking A Break from All Your Worries" intentionally cased like that, or should it be "Taking a Break from All Your Worries" like the normal convention (assuming that's ''a'' the article)? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:47, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The actual casing (from the title page on the Full Yellow Production Draft) is Taking a Break From All Your Worries. I have no idea what Michael Taylor has in mind with that. But assume that he has a plan... - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:51, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Will "Occupation / Precipice" really be one two-hour episode, or two episodes shown together? As in having two intros.
And will there be an episode 3.20, or is 3.19 the finale?
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:21, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

::I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Laurette Spang?==
There has been news passing around that [[Laurette Spang-McCook|Laurette Spang]], who played [[Cassiopeia]] on the Original Series, has been playing e-mail tag with [[David Eick]] about a possible role on the Re-imagined Series. Has this progressed beyond a theoretical thing and into an actual part being worked on? Or is this still just an idea David was batting around? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:03, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

::The contents of David Eick's e-box are WAY above my pay grade. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::I'd still like a confirm from Ron about the Jane Seymour role, which she was apparently offered for Pegasus and turned down. I know... different TOS actor. (Jane and Laurette were my favorite TOS ladies) On top of that, there's those persistent Anne Lockhart cameo stories which seem to pop up like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin reunion rumors. David (Weddle, not Eick) told me that they talked about Seymour as a prototype for D'Anna Biers but that's about as much he knew on the subject. But I'm one of those that never lets an inquiry die untli I've gotten to the bottom of it... ;-) --[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 21:16, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Transcript Permission Contact ==
An interest has been expressed to host episode transcripts here, using inline links to link the episode content to the relevent articles here. Before undertaking such an effort, we would want to get (written) permission from the appropriate powers that be. Could you point us in the right direction as to who we could contact for such permission? If you are comfortable giving us direction (but not posting it here) feel free to [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Steelviper email myself] or any of the other admins (especially [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Peter_Farago Peter Farago], our Copyright Specialist). We appreciate any help in this regard, and this is the type of project that will NOT proceed unless we get an official "green light". We worried enough about the issues with the podcast transcripts... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:16, 11 August 2006 (CDT)

:You see there are actually websites that ''already'' have transcripts (fan-made) and we refer to them alot (though they're less than perfect, of course, and we have to rewatch things on our own often, to make sure), and eventually we said "Why not just recopy them here, to move towards making this the one stop for all episode info?" but we thought we'd run into legal troubles....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:12, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::This sounds like a pretty good idea, I mean this is a nonprofit organization, what possible money can we get from just hosting scripts of the episodes. If NBC asks to cease and desist, why not just do it until they tell us not too? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:20, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Why put the effort into something and then have to delete it? :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:23, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::While I understand and appreciate the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" mentality (especially in its kinship to the "be bold" attitude), how can we expect others to respect our license (Creative Commons) if we ourselves are willing to violate the copyright of others? Especially the copyright of the people responsible for making the content that we document/describe/summarize (something akin to biting the hand that feeds you). I'd love to see the episode transcripts here (in full linkified glory), but I'd rather not jeopardize the integrity of the wiki and expose it to legal risk, especially only to host content that is already easily available to those interested. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:25, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
::::You know what, I'll start my own BattlestarWiki, and it'll be called CertainlY cooLer then that Other battlestarwiki Nonsense, or C.Y.L.O.N. for short and I'll host scripts on there and disregard NBC. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

==Cancellation Rumor==

The rumor is circulating that S4 is in jeopardy along with "Caprica." Given that series are always under a "ratings gun" and concerned caused by the cancellation of SG-1, if there is any truth to the rumor, is there something as fans that we can do now? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:36, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:There was also a rumor that the show would move to Tuesday nights, but that hasn't materialized. While the cancelation of SG-1 raises concerns about ratings and budget A) it's the top rated show on the channel B) It won a Peabody award and critics love it C) They've got a real chance to win at next year's Emmys, when the old shows which filled up this years (West Wing, Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Commander in Chief, etc.) will all be gone and not fill up the nominations. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

::::Sorry, I have no knowledge of SciFi executive decisions - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thanks, I sort of asked in a panic. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:05, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== The role of the Marines. ==

When will we see a bigger role played by the Marines and avoid embarrasments like Starbuck's matrix attempt in Sacrifice? [[User:Panther|Panther]] 18:53, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Ron already said in the blog that he was embarrased about using Starbuck as "just happening to also be a sniper" in "[[Bastille Day]]". Also in the podcasts Ron has said that they dropped Corporal Venner as a recurring Marine character because fans weren't that intrested in that, but as a really religous Gemenon and a Marine, I actually kind of ''was'' interested in seeing him as a recurring character...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::I wasn't phased by her being a marksman but a "sniper" is a different ballgame. Sniping is more than shooting. Back on topic, I just want to see a Marine character of some importance on the show. I think too many shows go the way of PBI. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 11:41, 24 August 2006 (CDT)
:: Did RDM really say that? Sucks, 'cause I liked Venner. Honestly, I haven't read a single post where fans stated they weren't interested in a recurring Marine. And even if - isn't Ron always (rightly) claiming that BSG ain't a democracy? --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 14:42, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

The writers room has discussed having a continuing Marine character more than once, but thus far there's been no compelling story reason for doing so. So, if it is to happen, the character would arrive in a minor role and evolve the way Kat did in Luciana's capable hands. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:53, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:True. I wonder though if, in Lay Down Your Burdens, the ground rescue mission should have been commanded by a Marine who is probably trained for that sort of warfare. :D
:[[User:Panther|Panther]] 01:50, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::If we had a Marine officer as colorful as Starbuck, it probably would have. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Relations between the Colonial President and the Colonial Military ==

I was wondering ever since the Miniseries what the is the legal relationship between the president and military. Does the president have CINC powers or is it a loose relationship whereby the military is fairly independent but is fully dependent on the state it serves? I ask this because it seems that Roslin hasn't shown any power over the military, and Adama though he had a legitimate reason for a military coup. I'm thinking if Roslin had CINC powers Adama would have been less inclined to do so.
[[User:Panther|Panther]] 17:40, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::The best answer I can give is to have you check out the deal Roslin made with Adama in the miniseries. The two leaders are well aware of the new order imposed by the collapse of the Twelve Colonies. Adama has the guns and the loyalty of the only military force remaining. Fortunately, he believes in the ultimate authority of law -- unless it conflicts with his own view of military necessity. The relationship of civilian and military has been fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings. Roslin's true power appeared when she escaped detention aboard Galactica and went back to Kobol for the Arrow of Apollo, and Adama bowed to the Rule of Law by going with the majority in settling New Caprica. We'll see how this uneasy relationship continues to develop in Season 3 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 12:55, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== S.F.M. ==

Anastasia Dualla mentions in "Bastille Day" that the name of Tom Zarek's group was the S.F.M. What does this acronym stand for? It seems likely to mean "Sagittaron Freedom Movement", but we'd like to be sure. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:40, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::You'll hear more of them in Season 3 -- maybe. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:58, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Rank Insignia==
This is a minor question but one that I've had in the back of my mind for awhile, especially while working on the uniform and rank pages here. In the Miniseries, Boomer's Raptor is labeled "JRLIEUTENANT" for her rank. Assuming this is the Lieutenant Junior Grade rank, that would corespond with the rank insignia she had on, a diamond with a chevron in it that did not extend past the lower edge of the diamond. Later, in "33", Helo gives his rank as Lieutenant Junior Grade when he is captured. His insignia has the chevron extended so it goes beyond the edge of the diamond. The insignia is identical to the one that Starbuck, a definate Lieutenant wears (except for most of Hand of God, a gaffe, I assume). Gaeta has been seen wearing both. The reason I ask this is that in the new promotional shots for Season 3, Dualla wears this rank insignia on her blue uniform. I basically want to know, which insignia corresponds to which rank? Thank you in advance for the answer and keep up the good work on the show. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:37, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

Heh. I just wanted to make a comment about this.
By intuition one would probably say "longer chevron = higher rank". But I think there is enough evidence to reverse that case here.
I think Helo started as jay-gee and Sharon as a full Lieutenant. Helo calls her "sir" once or twice. That makes her Raptor markings an error. Later Helo got promoted and is wearing the "short chevron" insignia.
The same one worn by most other Lieutenants like Starbuck and Gaeta.
Now and then especially Starbuck can be seen with the "long chevron" insignia. Those are costuming errors. Often they :happen when characters switch between the green and blue uniforms.

Dualla also wears a completely new insignia in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" but is called Lieutenant. Is there any meaning behind that? Maybe a brevet rank?

I don't want to be presumptous, but maybe the actors could check their rank pins when they receive a new uniform. That shouldn't take too long. The errors are no big deal, but interesting
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 22:15 CET, September 1st 2006
:The reason I bring this up is that I'm a military history buff, an ROTC cadet, and a DA Civilian so this is very interesting to me. From watching the show, this is what I've been able to gather.
*Sharon's Raptor is still marked like that all the way through Season 1.
*Dee had an unusual insignia in LDYB PII but is refered to as a Lieutenant and in the promotional shots for Season 3, wears a short-chevron insignia as seen in [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000f5p5f this pic].(Warning-big pic)
*Starbuck consistantly wears the long-chevron rank, except for the majority of Hand of God (she wore the long rank in the celebration scene in the hanger.
*Helo is now a full Lieutenant according to some things Penikett has said. In the promo shots for Season 3, he still wears the long insignia, as seen [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000er4a3 here]. (Big pic again)
*Gaeta goes back and forth between the two.
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:19, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Going through screencaps I think you're right and Starbuck usually has "long chevron". Especially in the first season. I checked "Act of Contrition", "Flesh and Bone" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming" for example.
I didn't notice any inconsistences with Sharon yet

About Helo:
I thought he had "short chevron" in Season 2...However I just checked my DVDs and he's still wearing "long chevron" in 'Flight of the Phoenix', 'Epiphanies' and probably 'Scar'! I couldn't see it very clearly in the latter one.
So that promotion thing might not be true. Or at least it wasn't reflected in the costuming yet

What that argument gone, I guess one could just as easily say that Helo stating his rank was a gaffe and thus conclude that "long chevron = Lt. SG" and "short chevron = Lt. JG" which also makes Sharon's Raptor right.
Very confusing...
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly, and the reason for me asking. He also has long chevrons rank in Season 1, especially visible in the restaurant scenes in, I think, Hand of God. His promotion and postition on Galactica circa LDYB PII was from an interview. It said that he was promoted to full Lieutenant sometime after returning to the ship. Also, even if he outranked her (which can be implied in the Miniseries {First you're flying with rooks and now you're betting against Starbuck} or something like that), he sould still call her sir since she would be in command of the Raptor. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, I already thought that maybe she outranked him because of position and not rank.
::I probably made some wrong conclusions, because I had a false memory of Starbuck's rank pins. Sorry.
::In Season 2, hers are harder to track because she's often out of uniform until she returns from Caprica. But in "Pegasus" and "RS, I" it's "long chevron". And then she's promoted to Captain by Admiral Cain.
::And if Helo is already a Lt. SG, then Tahmoh's story about a promotion would be false--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thus the dilemma. My thoughts are as follows: Boomer is a junior LTJG, still a rookie. Helo is a LTJG also, but with much more experience and more tours of duty. Except for the insignia problems, as well as Boomer's bag in "Water" that was marked "Lieutenant Sharon Valerii," this fits with what we have seen. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:58, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Sharon's rankpin is always LT.JG (short chevron). I didn't notice an error there yet. Maybe they just leave the SG/JG stuff from clothing. And Helo's is very consistently LT.SG (long chevron). So how about Helo is indeed a LT.SG - and considering his comment to Six a writing error - but Sharon is still in charge of missions because she's the pilot and he's just the ECO?
::::I'd prefer to go with one error in dialogue over considering his rankpin in ALL episodes an error.

::::My main question remaining now is Dualla's rankpin in LDYB. Though in one released S3 pic she's wearing a regular Lt. pin I think. Maybe Mr. Thompson can shed some light on that --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:21, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::The problem is that we don't know if the which pin belongs to which rank, thus my question. In the promo shot of Dualla I linked to above, she wears the short chevron insignia. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

==Blackbird: Efficient Construction Crew?==

Hey, I would like to refer you to this article[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Blackbird#Appearance_before_Construction.3F]]. Just looking for clarification, I suppose- was this just a VFX gaff, or is there something you lot haven't told us yet? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:55, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:::The Blackbird shouldn't be mixing it up out there. Looks as if the VFX guys are trying to keep us on our toes. Even if it were in service at that time, the Blackbird has no guns and doesn't turn well enough to be a survivable dogfighter. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:57, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode #3]] ==

On the description it says "''Tigh and Tyrol hide weapons while '''Duck and his wife''' clash over religion.''". Is this correct or was their a mistake? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:24, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::A hideous blunder. They're not married. ;) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:56, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::And they didn't really clash. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, it's obvious there not married, they didn't really argue ;)--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:55, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I shudder what would happen without us. :-) Ok. Thanks brad. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:59, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Great job on the webisodes by the way! Exceeding expectations. (Also, great catch, shane). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thank you. We're very proud of them, and hope you'll find the others won't let you down. As of the 2nd webisode posting, the SciFi trackers told us that they had over a million streams. Wish the folks outside US IP addresses could share in the fun. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:26, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::We can. Just by, erm, other means. I like them so far. Nice appetizers for season 3 and I can already see that they provide some background for future developments --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:33, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: (Right when we need a "drop jaw icon") WOW! Just imaging that without the non-US block. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:35, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Maybe I shouldn't say it, but in this case, I'm glad there are... erm...other means - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:39, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Indeed, and as a non American I have been very impressed so far with the webisodes. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== The international webisode question ==

Hi Bradley - I haven't been able to find any rationale for why the webisodes aren't available outside the US, as mentioned above. Can you shed any light on the thinking behind this decision? Thanks! [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 10:00, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

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==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Hardy
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir Garcia
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir Nankin
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir Mimica-Gizzan
*[[Episode 3.18]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.19]] - Dir Michael Rymer, written by Mark Verheiden & possibly Ron Moore.
:: directors added for eps 14-19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:28, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::It now looks as if Michael Angeli is flying solo for episode 17. Added Mark & maybe Ron to Ep 3.19 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Thank you for all the delightfully authoritative information. I don't mean to be a bother, but it's in my nature to nitpick. Is "Taking A Break from All Your Worries" intentionally cased like that, or should it be "Taking a Break from All Your Worries" like the normal convention (assuming that's ''a'' the article)? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:47, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The actual casing (from the title page on the Full Yellow Production Draft) is Taking a Break From All Your Worries. I have no idea what Michael Taylor has in mind with that. But assume that he has a plan... - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:51, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Will "Occupation / Precipice" really be one two-hour episode, or two episodes shown together? As in having two intros.
And will there be an episode 3.20, or is 3.19 the finale?
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:21, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

::I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:34, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Laurette Spang?==
There has been news passing around that [[Laurette Spang-McCook|Laurette Spang]], who played [[Cassiopeia]] on the Original Series, has been playing e-mail tag with [[David Eick]] about a possible role on the Re-imagined Series. Has this progressed beyond a theoretical thing and into an actual part being worked on? Or is this still just an idea David was batting around? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:03, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

::The contents of David Eick's e-box are WAY above my pay grade. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::I'd still like a confirm from Ron about the Jane Seymour role, which she was apparently offered for Pegasus and turned down. I know... different TOS actor. (Jane and Laurette were my favorite TOS ladies) On top of that, there's those persistent Anne Lockhart cameo stories which seem to pop up like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin reunion rumors. David (Weddle, not Eick) told me that they talked about Seymour as a prototype for D'Anna Biers but that's about as much he knew on the subject. But I'm one of those that never lets an inquiry die untli I've gotten to the bottom of it... ;-) --[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 21:16, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Transcript Permission Contact ==
An interest has been expressed to host episode transcripts here, using inline links to link the episode content to the relevent articles here. Before undertaking such an effort, we would want to get (written) permission from the appropriate powers that be. Could you point us in the right direction as to who we could contact for such permission? If you are comfortable giving us direction (but not posting it here) feel free to [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Steelviper email myself] or any of the other admins (especially [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Peter_Farago Peter Farago], our Copyright Specialist). We appreciate any help in this regard, and this is the type of project that will NOT proceed unless we get an official "green light". We worried enough about the issues with the podcast transcripts... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:16, 11 August 2006 (CDT)

:You see there are actually websites that ''already'' have transcripts (fan-made) and we refer to them alot (though they're less than perfect, of course, and we have to rewatch things on our own often, to make sure), and eventually we said "Why not just recopy them here, to move towards making this the one stop for all episode info?" but we thought we'd run into legal troubles....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:12, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::This sounds like a pretty good idea, I mean this is a nonprofit organization, what possible money can we get from just hosting scripts of the episodes. If NBC asks to cease and desist, why not just do it until they tell us not too? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:20, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Why put the effort into something and then have to delete it? :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:23, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:::While I understand and appreciate the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" mentality (especially in its kinship to the "be bold" attitude), how can we expect others to respect our license (Creative Commons) if we ourselves are willing to violate the copyright of others? Especially the copyright of the people responsible for making the content that we document/describe/summarize (something akin to biting the hand that feeds you). I'd love to see the episode transcripts here (in full linkified glory), but I'd rather not jeopardize the integrity of the wiki and expose it to legal risk, especially only to host content that is already easily available to those interested. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:25, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
::::You know what, I'll start my own BattlestarWiki, and it'll be called CertainlY cooLer then that Other battlestarwiki Nonsense, or C.Y.L.O.N. for short and I'll host scripts on there and disregard NBC. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

==Cancellation Rumor==

The rumor is circulating that S4 is in jeopardy along with "Caprica." Given that series are always under a "ratings gun" and concerned caused by the cancellation of SG-1, if there is any truth to the rumor, is there something as fans that we can do now? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:36, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:There was also a rumor that the show would move to Tuesday nights, but that hasn't materialized. While the cancelation of SG-1 raises concerns about ratings and budget A) it's the top rated show on the channel B) It won a Peabody award and critics love it C) They've got a real chance to win at next year's Emmys, when the old shows which filled up this years (West Wing, Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Commander in Chief, etc.) will all be gone and not fill up the nominations. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

::::Sorry, I have no knowledge of SciFi executive decisions - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:38, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thanks, I sort of asked in a panic. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:05, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== The role of the Marines. ==

When will we see a bigger role played by the Marines and avoid embarrasments like Starbuck's matrix attempt in Sacrifice? [[User:Panther|Panther]] 18:53, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Ron already said in the blog that he was embarrased about using Starbuck as "just happening to also be a sniper" in "[[Bastille Day]]". Also in the podcasts Ron has said that they dropped Corporal Venner as a recurring Marine character because fans weren't that intrested in that, but as a really religous Gemenon and a Marine, I actually kind of ''was'' interested in seeing him as a recurring character...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::I wasn't phased by her being a marksman but a "sniper" is a different ballgame. Sniping is more than shooting. Back on topic, I just want to see a Marine character of some importance on the show. I think too many shows go the way of PBI. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 11:41, 24 August 2006 (CDT)
:: Did RDM really say that? Sucks, 'cause I liked Venner. Honestly, I haven't read a single post where fans stated they weren't interested in a recurring Marine. And even if - isn't Ron always (rightly) claiming that BSG ain't a democracy? --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 14:42, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

The writers room has discussed having a continuing Marine character more than once, but thus far there's been no compelling story reason for doing so. So, if it is to happen, the character would arrive in a minor role and evolve the way Kat did in Luciana's capable hands. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:53, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:True. I wonder though if, in Lay Down Your Burdens, the ground rescue mission should have been commanded by a Marine who is probably trained for that sort of warfare. :D
:[[User:Panther|Panther]] 01:50, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::If we had a Marine officer as colorful as Starbuck, it probably would have. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== Relations between the Colonial President and the Colonial Military ==

I was wondering ever since the Miniseries what the is the legal relationship between the president and military. Does the president have CINC powers or is it a loose relationship whereby the military is fairly independent but is fully dependent on the state it serves? I ask this because it seems that Roslin hasn't shown any power over the military, and Adama though he had a legitimate reason for a military coup. I'm thinking if Roslin had CINC powers Adama would have been less inclined to do so.
[[User:Panther|Panther]] 17:40, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

::The best answer I can give is to have you check out the deal Roslin made with Adama in the miniseries. The two leaders are well aware of the new order imposed by the collapse of the Twelve Colonies. Adama has the guns and the loyalty of the only military force remaining. Fortunately, he believes in the ultimate authority of law -- unless it conflicts with his own view of military necessity. The relationship of civilian and military has been fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings. Roslin's true power appeared when she escaped detention aboard Galactica and went back to Kobol for the Arrow of Apollo, and Adama bowed to the Rule of Law by going with the majority in settling New Caprica. We'll see how this uneasy relationship continues to develop in Season 3 - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 12:55, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== S.F.M. ==

Anastasia Dualla mentions in "Bastille Day" that the name of Tom Zarek's group was the S.F.M. What does this acronym stand for? It seems likely to mean "Sagittaron Freedom Movement", but we'd like to be sure. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:40, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

:::You'll hear more of them in Season 3 -- maybe. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:58, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Rank Insignia==
This is a minor question but one that I've had in the back of my mind for awhile, especially while working on the uniform and rank pages here. In the Miniseries, Boomer's Raptor is labeled "JRLIEUTENANT" for her rank. Assuming this is the Lieutenant Junior Grade rank, that would corespond with the rank insignia she had on, a diamond with a chevron in it that did not extend past the lower edge of the diamond. Later, in "33", Helo gives his rank as Lieutenant Junior Grade when he is captured. His insignia has the chevron extended so it goes beyond the edge of the diamond. The insignia is identical to the one that Starbuck, a definate Lieutenant wears (except for most of Hand of God, a gaffe, I assume). Gaeta has been seen wearing both. The reason I ask this is that in the new promotional shots for Season 3, Dualla wears this rank insignia on her blue uniform. I basically want to know, which insignia corresponds to which rank? Thank you in advance for the answer and keep up the good work on the show. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:37, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

Heh. I just wanted to make a comment about this.
By intuition one would probably say "longer chevron = higher rank". But I think there is enough evidence to reverse that case here.
I think Helo started as jay-gee and Sharon as a full Lieutenant. Helo calls her "sir" once or twice. That makes her Raptor markings an error. Later Helo got promoted and is wearing the "short chevron" insignia.
The same one worn by most other Lieutenants like Starbuck and Gaeta.
Now and then especially Starbuck can be seen with the "long chevron" insignia. Those are costuming errors. Often they :happen when characters switch between the green and blue uniforms.

Dualla also wears a completely new insignia in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" but is called Lieutenant. Is there any meaning behind that? Maybe a brevet rank?

I don't want to be presumptous, but maybe the actors could check their rank pins when they receive a new uniform. That shouldn't take too long. The errors are no big deal, but interesting
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 22:15 CET, September 1st 2006
:The reason I bring this up is that I'm a military history buff, an ROTC cadet, and a DA Civilian so this is very interesting to me. From watching the show, this is what I've been able to gather.
*Sharon's Raptor is still marked like that all the way through Season 1.
*Dee had an unusual insignia in LDYB PII but is refered to as a Lieutenant and in the promotional shots for Season 3, wears a short-chevron insignia as seen in [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000f5p5f this pic].(Warning-big pic)
*Starbuck consistantly wears the long-chevron rank, except for the majority of Hand of God (she wore the long rank in the celebration scene in the hanger.
*Helo is now a full Lieutenant according to some things Penikett has said. In the promo shots for Season 3, he still wears the long insignia, as seen [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000er4a3 here]. (Big pic again)
*Gaeta goes back and forth between the two.
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:19, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Going through screencaps I think you're right and Starbuck usually has "long chevron". Especially in the first season. I checked "Act of Contrition", "Flesh and Bone" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming" for example.
I didn't notice any inconsistences with Sharon yet

About Helo:
I thought he had "short chevron" in Season 2...However I just checked my DVDs and he's still wearing "long chevron" in 'Flight of the Phoenix', 'Epiphanies' and probably 'Scar'! I couldn't see it very clearly in the latter one.
So that promotion thing might not be true. Or at least it wasn't reflected in the costuming yet

What that argument gone, I guess one could just as easily say that Helo stating his rank was a gaffe and thus conclude that "long chevron = Lt. SG" and "short chevron = Lt. JG" which also makes Sharon's Raptor right.
Very confusing...
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly, and the reason for me asking. He also has long chevrons rank in Season 1, especially visible in the restaurant scenes in, I think, Hand of God. His promotion and postition on Galactica circa LDYB PII was from an interview. It said that he was promoted to full Lieutenant sometime after returning to the ship. Also, even if he outranked her (which can be implied in the Miniseries {First you're flying with rooks and now you're betting against Starbuck} or something like that), he sould still call her sir since she would be in command of the Raptor. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, I already thought that maybe she outranked him because of position and not rank.
::I probably made some wrong conclusions, because I had a false memory of Starbuck's rank pins. Sorry.
::In Season 2, hers are harder to track because she's often out of uniform until she returns from Caprica. But in "Pegasus" and "RS, I" it's "long chevron". And then she's promoted to Captain by Admiral Cain.
::And if Helo is already a Lt. SG, then Tahmoh's story about a promotion would be false--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thus the dilemma. My thoughts are as follows: Boomer is a junior LTJG, still a rookie. Helo is a LTJG also, but with much more experience and more tours of duty. Except for the insignia problems, as well as Boomer's bag in "Water" that was marked "Lieutenant Sharon Valerii," this fits with what we have seen. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:58, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Sharon's rankpin is always LT.JG (short chevron). I didn't notice an error there yet. Maybe they just leave the SG/JG stuff from clothing. And Helo's is very consistently LT.SG (long chevron). So how about Helo is indeed a LT.SG - and considering his comment to Six a writing error - but Sharon is still in charge of missions because she's the pilot and he's just the ECO?
::::I'd prefer to go with one error in dialogue over considering his rankpin in ALL episodes an error.

::::My main question remaining now is Dualla's rankpin in LDYB. Though in one released S3 pic she's wearing a regular Lt. pin I think. Maybe Mr. Thompson can shed some light on that --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:21, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::The problem is that we don't know if the which pin belongs to which rank, thus my question. In the promo shot of Dualla I linked to above, she wears the short chevron insignia. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

==Blackbird: Efficient Construction Crew?==

Hey, I would like to refer you to this article[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Blackbird#Appearance_before_Construction.3F]]. Just looking for clarification, I suppose- was this just a VFX gaff, or is there something you lot haven't told us yet? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:55, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:::The Blackbird shouldn't be mixing it up out there. Looks as if the VFX guys are trying to keep us on our toes. Even if it were in service at that time, the Blackbird has no guns and doesn't turn well enough to be a survivable dogfighter. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:57, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode #3]] ==

On the description it says "''Tigh and Tyrol hide weapons while '''Duck and his wife''' clash over religion.''". Is this correct or was their a mistake? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:24, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::A hideous blunder. They're not married. ;) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:56, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::And they didn't really clash. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, it's obvious there not married, they didn't really argue ;)--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:55, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I shudder what would happen without us. :-) Ok. Thanks brad. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:59, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

::::Great job on the webisodes by the way! Exceeding expectations. (Also, great catch, shane). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::Thank you. We're very proud of them, and hope you'll find the others won't let you down. As of the 2nd webisode posting, the SciFi trackers told us that they had over a million streams. Wish the folks outside US IP addresses could share in the fun. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:26, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::We can. Just by, erm, other means. I like them so far. Nice appetizers for season 3 and I can already see that they provide some background for future developments --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:33, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: (Right when we need a "drop jaw icon") WOW! Just imaging that without the non-US block. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:35, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Maybe I shouldn't say it, but in this case, I'm glad there are... erm...other means - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 17:39, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Indeed, and as a non American I have been very impressed so far with the webisodes. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== The international webisode question ==

Hi Bradley - I haven't been able to find any rationale for why the webisodes aren't available outside the US. Can you shed any light on the thinking behind this decision? Thanks!

The Hand of God (RDM)

2006-09-01T02:06:42Z

Mr. Random:

:''This article details an episode of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. For information on the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]] episode of the same name, see [[The Hand of God (TOS)]].''

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| title=The Hand of God
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| episode=10
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| US airdate=2005-03-11
| UK airdate=2005-01-03
| dvd= {{Season 1 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US''' {{Season 1 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''
| population=47,898
| prev=[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down|Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]
| next=[[Colonial Day]]
| podcast=Y
| podtitle=The Hand of God
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== Overview ==

: ''With the Fleet short of [[tylium|fuel]], ''[[Galactica]]'' launches a daring attack on a Cylon base.''

== Summary ==
* [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] is almost out of fuel, and ''[[Galactica]]'' has [[Raptor|Raptors]] out scouting nearby star systems to find tylium ore - if they don't, the fleet can make two more [[FTL|Jumps]] at best
* Aboard one of the Raptors, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] and [[Crashdown]] find an asteroid filled with years worth of tylium ore — unfortunately, the Cylons found it first and have built a [[Cylon Refinery|refinery base]] on it.
* Faced with hoping to locate tylium elsewhere using their remaining supplies of fuel, or taking the asteroid from the Cylons, [[William Adama|Adama]] opts to attack the asteroid to take the tylium from the Cylons.
* On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] reveals she is being affected by taking [[Chamalla]] extract to [[Elosha]], having precient visions – her dreams about [[Leoben Conoy]] which occurred immediately before he was found on the ''[[Gemenon Traveler]]'' ([[Flesh and Bone]]), and her hallucination about snakes
* On hearing about the snakes, Elosha reveals that it matches a prophecy in an ancient text written by [[Pythia]] 3,600 years ago concerning the exodus of humankind, which foretells that a dying Leader will lead the remnants of humanity to the promised land of Earth.
* Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] draw up an initial plan to take the asteroid, but Commander Adama decides to turn to [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] to come up with an unconventional idea to accomplish the mission, as she has a penchant for thinking "outside the box", and as machines the Cylons tend to predict more logical plans.
* Plans are drawn up for the attack on the Cylon base on the asteroid, and [[Gaius Baltar]] is involved in preparations when Starbuck and Tigh show him recon photos of the refinery. They cannot simply nuke the base, as the radiation would render the tylium inert, so the best plan would be to destroy the containers holding the volatile unrefined tylium precursor. Tigh and Starbuck want Baltar to point out what it is, even though he has no idea what it looks like. In his mind, Baltar asks his virtual Number Six for help, but she tells him it is in God's hands and He will "tell" Baltar where to point. Baltar picks an object in the base, simply as a wild guess (though he doesn't tell the others that). Baltar is terrified, telling Six he didn't hear God's voice, but she reassures him that "God doesn't always speak in ''words''".
* Apollo is concerned that everyone thinks Starbuck is a better pilot than he is and would be better leading the mission. Starbuck cannot fly in the attack, because in the [[Weight Room|weight room]] Commander Adama demonstrates that her knee has not yet fully recovered from its [[You Can't Go Home Again|injury]]. On the hangar deck, Commander Adama encourages Apollo, telling him he thinks Apollo really can pull off this mission, because he is his son.
* The attack is launched, and [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid|the battle]] commences: civilian mining ships Jump in on one side of the Cylon base pretending to be on a survey mission, drawing off some Raiders from the base, while ''Galactica'' jumps in on the other side and launches a squadron of Vipers against it, which are confronted by the base's reserve Raiders. The Raiders sent against the mining ships peel off and advance with the others on ''Galactica''. Everything seems to be going wrong, but then Adama reveals that this was a feint: doesn’t trust anyone other than his immediate officers with the full details of the action, not even Roslin, because he knows there are Cylon infiltrators in the Fleet.
*A second squadron of Vipers, led by Apollo, are hidden inside of the mining ships: instead of a feint, the mining ships were the thrust of the real attack. All of the Raiders were lured away to advance on ''Galactica'', so they proceed to the base unmolested. However, things are far from easy: the Cylon base has a formidable Anti-Air defense system, and the Vipers' missle attack fails as the Cylons are jamming their missiles' tracking systems.
*In a move of reckless improvisation worthy of Starbuck, Apollo avoids the Cylon defense grid by flying through its tylium mining tunnels to the center of the base, then dropping a pait of explosive charges at the supposed tylium-precursor container.
*Much to Baltar's surprise, his wild guess at which container held the volatile tylium-precursor was correct: as Apollo flies away, the entire base explodes with the force of a 3 kiloton nuclear warhead.
*With their base destroyed, the Cylon Raiders go into a panic and are easy prey for ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Vipers to mop up. All planes return to ''Galactica'' in a moment of celebration. Civilian mining ships will be able to get enough tylium fuel from the asteroid to last the Fleet several years.
*In Baltar's dream world, he expresses his astonishment to Number Six: Baltar "realizes" that the only "logical" explanation is that God truly did guide his hand to the right point on the Cylon base. The originally atheist Baltar now accepts the possibility that he might truly be an instrument of God...

[[Image:bsg-1-10.jpg|thumb|Adama and staff plan the attack.]]
=== On Caprica: ===
*[[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Valerii]] are hiding-out on a farm on their way to [[Delphi]].
*When Helo offers to prepare a meal, Valerii is uncharacteristically sick, leading them to try and settle down for some sleep.
*They are interrupted by the arrival of a troop of [[Cylon Centurion]]s - lead by another copy of Number Six.
*Forcing a stunned Helo into action - he cannot believe the woman he saw Sharon kill is coming after them - Sharon forces him back on the run.

== Questions ==

* Why did [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] order the fighters to pursue the fleeing [[Cylon Raiders]], instead of securing the area? One possibility for attacking the remaining fighters to prevent them from getting reinforcements from a distant [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]. ''(Although Adama will not have discovered this until later episodes, Raiders have the ability to make a jump ''much'' farther than any Colonial vessel.)''
* How many Vipers does ''Galactica'' actually have? Do they have a contingency plan should the majority (or all) of the Vipers be destroyed? Or are they simply fraked? (See [[Galactica (RDM)#Running Tallies|this article for a running tally by episode to-date]])
* Are the Colonials able to build ships, such as [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], from scratch? Or can they take destroyed hulks and rebuild off them? (Answer: Vipers are frequently salvaged, but only to a point. [[Flight of the Phoenix|Yes, they can build from scratch]], although the result [[Blackbird|may not be a Viper]]. However, [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] is able to build Vipers from scratch, when she has the raw materials (metal ore, etc) to do so. ([[Scar]]))
* How exactly can a 3,600 year old text foretell the exodus of humanity, and the leadership of [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]]? ([[Sacred Scrolls|Answer]].)
* Does someone have time on their hands to build miniatures of the ''new'' Cylon Raiders for the [[Situation Room]]!?
* If [[Gaius Baltar]] read the Sacred Scrolls in "... the 6th grade", why, in spite of being the former Secretary of Education, doesn't [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] know who [[Pythia]] is?
**Answer: According to RDM, the Sacred Scrolls are much like modern Earth religions, i.e. the vast majority of the general populace often knows many often-quoted phrases and the general philosophy of a religion, but that doesn't mean every person is a theology scholar. Also, like Earth different sections of the Twelve Colonies are more religious than others. [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], for example, is quite secular in regards to religion, while [[Gemenon]] is religiously fundamentalist, believing in the literal truth of the Sacred Scrolls.
*Is Baltar truly an instrument of "God"?

== Analysis ==
*The introduction of the prophesy of [[Pythia]] further link the series' mythology to the ancient Greece of our own planet. In Greek mythology, the Pythia was the priestess at Apollo's oracle in Delphi. The name itself comes from Python, the dragon slain by Apollo. The Pythia operated as a vehicle for Apollo's will to be known to those on earth. A believer would make a sacrifice and present a question to a priest. The priest would then present the question to the Pythia. The Pythia sat on a bronze tripod in the adytum, or inner chamber of Apollo's temple. In this sacred chamber the spirit of Apollo overcame the Pythia and inspired the prophecy.
**Pythia in ancient Greece was the Oracle of Delphi – and on Caprica, Helo and Sharon are making for the religious center of Delphi.
*Following his seeking God’s forgiveness ([[33]]) and his repentance of his sins ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), Baltar finally becomes God’s "instrument". He literally becomes the hand of God referenced in the episode title: he is the one that points out the target that will destroy the Cylon base.
*Over the last few weeks, we’ve seen Baltar move through the five emotional states that tend to guide our reactions to a new "truth" we’d rather not face:
**Denial (dismissing the "disappearance" of the ''Olympic Carrier'' after the call from Dr. Amorak as anything more than a serendipitous event - [[33]])
**Anger (his outright hostility towards Six as she continues to "bore" him with talk of God - [[Six Degrees of Separation]])
**Bargaining (praying to God for his safety in return for his obedience - [[Six Degrees of Separation]])
**Depression (leaving the Situation Room without having "heard" God’s voice & facing up to the fact that he had to – again - lie)
**Acceptance his messianic response to Six’s coaxing at the end of this episode.
*Did the Cylons ''allow'' the Colonials to find an asteroid filled with fuel?
**Executive producer [[Ron Moore]] has stated numerous times that the Cylons are not letting the Fleet escape, but are actively trying to destroy it.

== Notes ==
*Nine days have passed since the events of "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]".
*The celtic victory music played at the end of the episode after the Cylon base is destroyed is titled "Wander My Friends", written and composed by [[Bear McCreary]]. The lyrics and translation for the song given in the liner notes for the Season 1 soundtrack are reposted [[Soundtrack (Season 1)#Lyrics and Translations|on this page]], with permission.
*Tylium ore is use to power FTL systems, but probably not through any fissionable reaction.
*Tylium has an energy density of about 5e14 J/kg, comparable to that of nuclear fusion.
*Cylon technology is clearly a Colonial off-shoot, as one would expect: from the use of tylium down to the shape of doorways.
*William Adama’s father was Joseph Adama.
*Sharon Valerii on Caprica may well be pregnant.
*Lt. Gaeta makes mention in passing conversation to Apollo that the Colonials actually know where the [[Cylon homeworld]] is ("they'd build a refinery this far from their homeworld?" "Why not? They need fuel out here just as much as we do").
*There is an ancient text some 3,600 years old foretelling humanity’s flight – and apparently, Roslin’s leadership.
*Mark II Vipers can carry both missiles and munitions pods (bombs).
*The Mark VII Vipers all appear to be out of commission - even Apollo is now regularly flying a Mk II.
*Based on the conversation between Commander Adama and Starbuck in the gym, it appears that Mark II Viper thruster pedals use a mechanical flight control system rather than a "fly-by-wire" linkage. This fits the concept of minimizing the use of computers mentioned in the [[miniseries]].
*The religious overtones to the human / Cylon struggle are becoming more pronounced, with a now-promised confrontation due at the "home of the Gods".
*The Colonial fleet has a tylium refinery ship among its number.
*With the capture of the tylium mining facilities on the asteroid, the Colonials should be able to gather enough tylium to keep them going for about 2 years – assuming they can shift that much tylium to their refinery ship before the Cylons return.
*A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's Caprica house at the end of the episode. Single track, mounted on apparently wooden (as oppsoed to conrete sleepers), on a bed of gravel, without any form of electrifcation (3rd rail or overhead wires).

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Lee Adama sits with a battered Viper before the mission. He is joined by his father, who after a short conversation, Adama hands Lee a lighter:''
:'''Commander Adama:''' It belonged to your grandfather. My mother bought it for him when he was in law school. See the engraving on it?
:'''Lee Adama:''' (reading the name "Joseph Adama") Yes I...can barely make it out...
:'''Commander Adama:''' He was a better father than I was. Dad used to carry that into court cases. He claimed he never lost unless he left it behind.
:'''Lee Adama:''' So you’re worried too.
:'''Commander Adama:''' About what?
:'''Lee Adama:''' Sometimes it feels like the whole ship thinks...Starbuck...would do better.
:'''Commander Adama:''' I don’t.
:'''Lee Adama:''' How can you be so sure?
:'''Commander Adama:''' Because you’re my son.

*''Commander Adama asks Starbuck to assist with developing a plan to attack the refinery:''
:'''Commander Adama:''' Captain Adama and Colonel Tigh are working on the plan now and I need some serious "out-of -the-box" thinking.
:'''Starbuck:''' "Out-of-the-box" is where I live.

*''During the briefing with Apollo, Tigh, Starbuck, Adama, and Roslin.''
:'''Commander Adama:''' Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six.

== Official Statements ==




== Guest stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally]]
*[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]
*[[imdb:nm1750308|Cailin Stadnyk]] as Ensign [[Davis]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]
*[[Lucianna Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
*[[imdb:nm0155389|Terry Chen]] as [[Perry|"Chuckles" Perry]]
*[[imdb:nm1775193|Christina Schild]] as [[Playa Palacios]]
*[[Biski Gugushe]] as [[Sekou Hamilton]]
*[[imdb:nm1544128|Paul Cummings]] as [[Fireball]]
*[[imdb:nm0837992|Camille Sullivan]] as [[Stepchild]]

== External Links ==
[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/110/ "The Hand of God"] at scifi.com

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