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==XO of ''Pegasus''==
The relevant info from [[Podcast:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] (Act 6, yet to be transcribed): 
Eick: Now we never talked about this, but is she the XO here? Do we think she's become the Tigh of the ''Pegasus''? 
Moore: I think she has. I think that's something that happened in the year off and I think that essentially so many people left ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' that they really are on skeleton crews and, y'know, somebody like Dualla that went to ''Pegasus'' to be with Lee, presumably, and we'll deal more with— we have episodes that deal more with the circumstances of that in season three, and how that happened and why, but the idea was she essentially went over there and more people kept leaving and leaving, and Lee made her the XO.

I think this is pretty clear, given the source, so we can probably get rid of "presumed" from the succession box. I do want to point out that she'd pretty much have to be a captain or higher to be in the XO position (Captain Aaron Kelly filled in as XO while Tigh was in command). For Dualla to go from PO2 (E-5) to Captain (O-4) in a year would demand both a very fast series of promotions, and a very high rate of attrition within the officer ranks. I don't think it's ''completely'' implausible, but it's hard to imagine that ''Pegasus'' didn't have a single officer left with any command competence. It's also probably not good military practice to have one's significant other in a directly subordinate position, but Dualla's strong willed enough (c.f. Home, Part I) that it's probably not a huge problem. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:56, 24 March 2006 (CST)
:Yeah. That is pretty clear that we can get rid of '''presumed'''. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:21, 24 March 2006 (CST)
:If normal military protocol were still being strictly followed, you'd be right about the promotions and the relationship issues. However, this is no longer a remotely normal situation. One of the interesting differences between Original Series protocol and RDM Series protocol is that the Original Series treated battlestars like fiefdoms, and it was perfectly normal for Adama and Cain to have their children serving with them; like a feudal lord, Adama was both a military and a civilian leader (he was on the Quorom at the same time as being Commander of ''Galactica''). At the outset, the RDM Series was modeling Colonial military protocol on US protocol -- strict separation of military and civilian concerns, and civilian control of the military, even ''in extremis''. That disciplined, constitutional and republican (small 'r' deliberate) approach now appears to be breaking down because it's increasingly impractical to enforce.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:35, 25 March 2006 (CST)

::Still, isn't it odd that Bill Adama had at least two officers serving under him (Tigh and Helo) while Lee had to promote an enlisted crewman to be his XO? I would think the most appropriate way to distribute personnel would have been for Bill to loan Helo to Lee. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:25, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:::Alot can happen in a year. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:32, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:::I haven't seen the eps yet (insert usual excuses here) but my impression was that Tigh went planetside. Really, of the people we '''know''' are officers, there aren't very many left (except on the technicality that all pilots, however green, are officers). Which is one of the things that's going to make S3 interesting -- all the old relationships are really totally jumbled up, now, and a lot of the people Adama had come to depend upon are no longer available to him. Setting aside the rest of the fleet for the moment, Adama has taken Galactica out to sea (as it were) without his senior CPO, who was also the best mechanic and manager of mechanics available (Tyrol), along with at least some of the flight deck crew; without trusted bridge officers like Tigh and Gaeta; and without trusted pilots like Thrace and his son (albeit the latter for different reasons). Unless there was some degree of conscription/coercion involved (not my impression), he's left with a purely voluntary corps who are still on board not because of their skills or specialties, but because of their scepticism in the viability of New Caprica and/or their dedication to the idea that New Caprica still needs a defence.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 12:43, 25 March 2006 (CST)
::::Tigh only went planetside during the scenes we saw, so he was with the fleet for a full year before then. I'm not trying to have an argument about the merits of the writing, which I don't think are in question; I'm just pointing out that it's a little bit weird. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:47, 25 March 2006 (CST
:::::OK, then I agree, it's a little odd. Since we're apparently going to get at least some of the gaps filled in, hopefully we'll get to see the thought process behind the staffing decisions.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 12:51, 25 March 2006 (CST)

I think that given the evidence yes, Dualla is the "highest ranking officer under Apollo on Pegasus" and, thus, "technically" the XO, but I mean, she's the XO of a "skeleton crew"...I mean on Star Trek TNG, ''Doctor Crusher'' commanded the ship during "Descent, Part II" when there was a skeleton crew on board. --->For practical matters, in terms of the XO of Pegasus link bar at the bottom, yeaaaaaahh it's fuzzy, but, mulling it over, technically yeah she is the XO even though it's not such a big deal. But yeah. I'm all for leaving her in the XO succession link bar. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:16, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:Not trying to be combative, but using Trek as an example or counter-example of anything regarding military protocol is a bad idea. Considering that the production staff could not itself agree whether Starfleet was or was not a military organisation in the first place (Roddenberry was adamant that it was not), Trek's grasp of how real militaries historically have worked was extremely slippery. It could get away with a lot simply by saying, "This is the shiny happy future. Things change!" ''Galactica'' can get away with '''some''' similar slipperyness because this isn't "our" culture, but enough effort has been made to make it cognate with our culture that there are limits to what they can do and not have "bullshit" called. That said, having Dee as XO, even if merely by default, doesn't exceed those limits, but only because of the deliberate one-year gap that leaves room for all sorts of explanations.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 08:07, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::Well yeah; sorry about that; Starfleet is more of an exploratory corps...but I digress. My point was just that it's not a big shocker that she's the XO when it's a skeleton crew...but yeah I guess that would make her the XO. Doesn't matter. Ok. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:03, 26 March 2006 (CST)
Someone transcribed a Cult TV interview with Kandyse onto livejournal [http://community.livejournal.com/open_com/15387.html here], confirming that she is the XO. NOthing much else drastically new. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 6 July 2006 (CDT)

I think it's interesting that in the flashbacks of [[Unfinished Business]] she's already promoted to some Officer rank. That episode's flashbacks occurred before the mass exodus of military personnel from Galactica and Pegasus, showing that her promotion wasn't necessitated by an officer shortage and wasn't necessarily nepotism b/c she wasn't yet married to Lee. Perhaps she completed some sort of undergraduate degree and was then able to be commissioned..?

Also: does anyone know if she's taken the Adama name? Lee seems to assume that Starbuck would take the Anders name; at best we can probably assume that it's a common practice for the Colonials as it is for us (albeit more infrequently these days)?--[[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 18:49, 4 December 2006 (CST)

==Rank==
Merv, what was your source when you updated her rank to "Lieutenant"? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:26, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:She's wearing an officer's [[uniform]]. In retrospect, yes, I'm not sure if she's a Lieutenant (or Lieutenant Junior Grade) or the rarely used Ensign rank. We need to see a closeup of her rank insignia. However, Lieutenant seemed the most probable, and it is Gaeta's rank when he does a similar job. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:46, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:: Well, if you're not sure, we should just remove the Lieutenant reference until we get confirmation, don't you think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:06, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Wait, I checked the Galactiastation transcript:
::::"Dualla: Commander. Apollo: Wait. Yeah, lieutenant. What is it? Dualla: I'm not sure. Picking up something on dradis."
:::So yeah, they called her lieutenant. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:10, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:::: Cool. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:12, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:::: Excellent. Thanks for the source. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:59, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:Her rank insignia both in the wikipage photo and during Exodus II is "Lieutenant Junior Grade." As for her being addressed as "Lieutenant," that term is used both in ''Galactica'' and in the US regardless of whether addressing a full or junior-grade lieutenant--ref. Boomer (?) in Mini & season 1. Similarly, no one called Cain "Rear Admiral" except Adama when specifically discussing her promotion from Commander. I've changed Dee's infobox - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 08:48, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

==First Paragraph==

Shouldn't someone rewrite the first paragraph of this article, since she no longer serves on Galactica, and is no longer the comms officer? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:33, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Dualla to die by episode 3? ==

As with my speculation on [[Laura Roslin]] buying the farm in season 3 (per a David Eick TV Guide interview that a "very central character" will die by that time), it's logical that Dualla may be that character. For one, her existance conflicts with the Apollo/Starbuck arc. Two, her position on ''Pegasus'' (which can't ''possibly'' stick around through all of season 3) invites her to a greater chance of death. It is less likely that [[Lee Adama]] will die if Dualla is feeling self-sacrificial for her love. Battlestars don't drive themselves, you know. Just a thought. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:52, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
:I thought this was a spoiler. Speculation (especially reasoned speculation), is an entirely different matter. As for her buying it... I think they'd need to build up some goodwill for her first. I think if they killed her right now (pre-season 3) there'd be more celebrations than lamentation. Casting her in a more postive light, then killing her, would be more effective. (If it were to be done at all.) They love the actress (at least the Podcast commentary seems that way), but that hasn't stopped them from offing people (Crashdown, Billy) when they had other opportunities. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:59, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
::To perfectly honest, I am amazed at the restraint that has been shown so far about spoilers. I am a spoiler 'ho from way back ([http://www.visi.com/~wildfoto/spoilers.html B5 Spoiler Junkies] Also, check out the synopses on the site where you are there) and the amount of information not being displayed here is tremendous. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:16, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
:::It's fanservice for us. Eick loves to tease, but he's not giving up anymore data than what's already been said. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:18, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

== Cleanup ==

Todo:
*<strike>Headings</strike>
*Season 3 Info
--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:I've updated the headings, so the only thing needed to be done is Season 3 info. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 05:13, 22 November 2006 (CST)
::Season 3 info is also up to date, at least for now. I think it's time to remove the cleanup mark. --[[User:Spike|Spike]] 00:03, 30 January 2007 (CST)

I have marked the [[Anastasia Dualla#Recent developments|Recent developments]] section for cleanup for the reasons below:
* It is debatable whether it should be a new section in the first place. In character articles, we only create new sections to indicate major changes in a person's life. Nothing that major happened between "[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries|Taking a Break]]" and "[[The Woman King]]".
* It's way too lengthy and contains information not relevant to this article:
** The fact that 51 Saggitarons were brought to Dogsville.
** The Saggitarons' religious standpoints
** Dr. Robert's prejudice issues.
** Information about the nature of [[Mellorak infection]]
** The fact that she had issues with her father
*** That "[[The Woman King]]" provides an explanation for these issues is OK to mention, but retelling the fact that she has issues is unnecessary.
Currently, it reads more like an episode summary for "[[The Woman King]]" than anything else. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:42, 24 February 2007 (CST)

:Agreed. It's not necessary to recap the whole episode. That's what the episode article is for. The part should stay in relation to the rest of the character article. The prejudice issue can be mentioned as it related to her being a Saggitaron. Same with her not sharing the normal Saggitaron believes. But both can be done in one sentence each. The thing with her father is mentioned at the start of the article already.
:The tense is also wrong. Articles are written in present tense. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:27, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::Answering Catrope: I will endeavor to cut it down more; however, most of the information pertaining to her is relevant and should be included in the article about her. Let me justify it point by point:
*The fact that 51 Sagittarons were brought to Dogsville.
**These are her people. Her being a Sagittaron was highlighted during the episode was it not? Ironically I left out her tirade against her own people due to space but that scene in Joe's makes the fact of some of her people being brought aboard a development in her life. In the Teaser she was the one to help reassure them when Dr. Robert wanted to examine them also makes it relevant to mention in her biography.
*The Saggitarons' religious standpoints.
**Again, this is relevant to Dee since these are her people and it is very likely that her lack of religious faith helped caused the rift between she and her father and not merely a general distrust of the military. The Woman King sheds light on her background and her relationship with her father and gives details as to Dee's people's belief system, a religon her father very likely shared. You understand better from where Dee is coming from and the problem she faced with her parents.
*Dr. Robert's prejudice issues.
**Her people were being killed by him and her life was in potential danger due to those prejudices. That was what the entire last act of "The Woman King" was about. Was she being killed because she was a Sagittaron despite her renouncing their beliefs? Why Dr. Roberts have these prejudices is germane as to why Dee's life was endangered. Sure at the very end we learn that Dr. Roberts didn't try to kill her, but why not? Again the reasons for that is an important detail.
*Information about the nature of [[Mellorak infection]].
**I really give just the name of the affliction and the reason why they won't take the cure, but it is relevant to why their lives where in danger from both the sickness and the doctor. Their lives where in danger in part because of their religious beliefs despite a cure and demonstrates why Dualla would say the things she said about her own people.
*The fact that she had issues with her father.
**Review second answer. This is a bio article about Dee isn't it? as I say in the second answer point I think her issues with her father is directly relevant to the beliefs of her people is it not? I think it is a reasonable assumption to think that her problems with her father is directly related to the belief system most Sagittarons have and he most likely had and therefore worth mention in Dee's article. Otherwise you will be leaving out the context of their relationship.
* That "[[The Woman King]]" provides an explanation for these issues is OK to mention, but retelling the fact that she has issues is unnecessary.
**Again, this is an biography article about Dualla, so some recapitulation is necessary and appropriate. Yes this is not a summary of "The Woman King", but it is also not merely a bare bones dry fact by fact summary of Dee's life either, or at least it shouldn't be. This is a biography. Why not go into some detail about an important aspect of her life namely the estrangement from not only her father but her people? "The Woman King" provides substance to that. The fact that her people were on board and what happens to them relates to her as well as what actually happened to her. You will need some background info without making the reader go to another page. I would say the same thing if Tom Zarak, who is Sagittaron, played a significant role in the episode. He didn't and subsequently "The Woman King" would and should get barely a mention in his biography outside of his dire warning about Baltar's trial. Another relevant thing regarding Dee is that her life was potentially in danger because of her ethnicity and it would be relevant to tell the reader why. To do that you need detail and again you will have to get into detail about the episode. On a seperate issue Dee's tirade and emphatic dislike of Dr. Cottle is also worthy of mention since it is a new development in her personal story.
**Now I now I am a little wordy when I write and I will strive to do better and to be more concise, but at times going into detail is not only reasonable but critical. Dee's people coming on board Galactica and her and her crewmates reaction to them and her coming down with the illness with a doctor who could had killed her because of what she was is relevant to the life of Anastasia Dualla and should be mentioned in some detail in a biography about her. Yes, this is not summary of "The Woman King". I didn't "recap the whole episode" as Serenity wildly claims and the fact I left 70% of it out proves that. I didn't mention the meeting of C-Six and Athena did I? No, not relevant. I didn't mention the meeting between Tom Zarak and Roslin did I? No, not relevant. I didn't even mention Mrs. King's fight for her son, nor details of Helo's investigation, neither was very relevant, nor was the department head meetings with Admiral Adama and Helo's confession, so I think it is grossly unfair to characterize my providing relevant detail concerning Dee as a summary of the episode.
** I recognize the need to be concise but if that is all you are going to shoot for in an article you will loose more in the end. Yes sometimes "Less is more" but sometimes less is just....less. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 20:13, 24 February 2007 (CST)
=== Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper ===
Here's a stab at some cleanup, with some notes that I'll make as I make the changes below:

Dualla contracts [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak Sickness]] from contact with some of the refugees of the ''[[Threa Sita]]''. Among them are 51 of her fellow [[Sagittaron]]s. Most of the Sagittarons refuse to be [[Bittamucin|treated]], allowing the disease to spread and further fueling the prejudice against them. (A prejudice that Dualla herself claims to understand, as she does not appear to share all of the beliefs of her fellow colonists.) The [[Michael Robert|civilian doctor]], though ostensibly treating them, surreptitiously kills a few via lethal injection to prevent them from depleting scare resources. Captain [[Karl Agathon]], discovers the doctor's plot and attempts to rescue Dualla. However, it turns out that the doctor has actually treated her, believing her to be an exception due to her military service. Dualla chose to be treated by the civilian doctor as she appears to have some issues with Doc [[Cottle]] ([[The Woman King]]).

* Present tense for episodic events.
* Killed mention of her recovery as it will be mentioned again later.
* Exact number of all the refugees not terribly important.
* I'm not sure if it's precisely established whether they brought it aboard themselves, already had it, etc. Best not to even mention it here.
* The specifics of the drug, needed to treat it, etc., aren't as important here, but we can link to it.
* Made the prejudice discussion tighter.
* Tightened up the doctor part.
* Tightened up rescue.
* Moved renunciation up higher.
* Pulled parental issue speculation.
* Episode citation inside of period.
* Pulled Cottle issues into paragraph.

That's my first cut at "concising" it. I agree that sometimes the "Concision Fairies" can go too far, but redundancy, in general, should be avoided. Let the articles that you link to do the detail work. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:13, 24 February 2007 (CST)

:Again, let me attack this point by point:

* Present tense for episodic events.
**I don't know if this is appropriate for a biography of a character who I believe should be treated like a real person. People's lives in real life is not constructed in such a matter why should the lives of the characters of the show should be treated as if time hasn't past?
* Killed mention of her recovery as it will be mentioned again later.
**I guess I agree with that and have myself removed the second reference.
* Exact number of all the refugees not terribly important.
**I partly agree and removed the 300 figure for the mass of the refugees, but kept the 51 figure.
* I'm not sure if it's precisely established whether they brought it aboard themselves, already had it, etc. Best not to even mention it here.
**Yes it was established. Roberts and Helo's comments at the end of the teaser strongly suggest this. It was also indicated in Act 1 with Adama's meeting with his department heads. No mention of the illness was mentioned prior to either scene. It was only after the refugees were disembarking from the ''[[Threa Sita]]'' and they were being sorted out and Roberts were attempting to treat them was it ever mentioned. This very strongly suggest the refugees brought it over with them. Is this beyond a total doubt? No, but I think it is beyond a reasonable one.
* The specifics of the drug, needed to treat it, etc., aren't as important here, but we can link to it.
**Well, I think the fact that the lives of some of the refugees were endangered despite an obvious cure is relevant. In contrast to her people, Dee was prepared to take it, again showing the rift between her people and perhaps between her and her parents views.
* Made the prejudice discussion tighter.
**Okay.
* Tightened up the doctor part.
**Okay, but not too tight since there was the question of Dee's life being in danger due to the doctor and his views.
* Tightened up rescue.
**Okay.
* Moved renunciation up higher.
**Maybe.
* Pulled parental issue speculation.
**Again I think this is the heart of the episode concerning Dee. I think it is perfectly legitimate to speculate on how the views of her people and Dee's views may shed some light as to why she and her father became estranged since Dee likely represents everything her father was against. I didn't say for '''''certain''''' this is true, but it is worth mentioning. The Sagittaron refugees brings about this issue.
* Pulled Cottle issues into paragraph.
**Perhaps that is okay but I do think it is a separate issue mostly since she obviously doesn't have an issue with modern medicine but seem to have a personal approbation against him. Her animosity toward Cottle does come into play regarding the Sagittaron issue in that it put her in the clutches of a serial killer that believes her people should be wiped out save but a few "good" ones.
**I guess the basic issue is whether how do you see the role of the biographical articles about the characters. Do you construct it strictly only by episode in a strict recital of facts and never refer back to previous episode points, constructing the article like individual components in isolation with each other or do you have it flow like a real biography of a real person? I guess my view is more of the latter. As I said above I treat the characters of BSG as real persons who experiences are not in isolation from each other. I think real life biographies of real persons are constructed like that. Their college "episode" may have an affect on their politics "episode" which has an effect on there family "episode" or visa versa, shedding light on previous events and not in isolation. I think if you read a biography about Abe Lincoln it would probably refer to an incident he had as say a young corporate lawyer that had an affect on his political views and his Presidency. BSG is a very character driven show and "The Woman King" happens to be a particularly character driven episode. What happens to a character in one episode may give insight on what happened to that character or what we learned from him/her in another previous one. In this case I don't think it is so out of bounds to speculate that the beliefs of her father were in conflict with the beliefs of the daughter as we found out in "[[Final Cut]]" in light of what we found out about her people's beliefs and her attitude toward her people in "The Woman King". Should we just report these facts without comment or do we delve into how these new revelations may shed light on her relationship with her parents? I believe the latter. I understand the more regimental structure of the episode summaries, but for the character bios I think a more nuanced less sterile "Lego block" construction of them is desirable. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 04:37, 25 February 2007 (CST)

:Steelviper's cleanup attempt looks good to me. In my initial post I made myself a little unclear; I didn't mean for all those references to disappear, but merely to be shortened. Present tense in biographies is just [[BW:SAC|a convention]] here. The father issue is good analysis, though; it has been established most Saggitarons are pacifists, providing a good reason for the estrangement between Dualla and her father. I also agree that things like the Saggitarons' beliefs are relevant, but they can be told in a few words, rather than a few sentences. I hope you and Steelviper can reach a compromise. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 06:13, 25 February 2007 (CST)

:I'd change the wording a bit for style so it sounds better, but content-wise it's generally ok. I'd briefly mention why they don't want to be treated though. Just saying "religious taboos" and linking to the religion article is fine. And no need to use words like "appear" here. She ''does'' not share Sagittaron believes and she ''does'' hate Cottle.
:Putting the issue between her and her father in context can be done at the very start of the article, where it's mentioned first. We learned that it existed in "Final Cut" and another 1 or 2 sentences can explain the reason. And I agree that it is relevant.
:So I agree Catrope, that we don't need to drop all those points. It's just unnecessary to tell everything in such detail. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:22, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Role ==

I think that changing Dee's role and stating that she is now the '''former''' Communications Officer came much too early. All we know is that she's delegated to surface mission (as is Starbuck, Tyrol or Apollo) - after collecting all necessary resources she'll most probably be back in CIC. There's no indication that Dee is not the Communications Officer anymore, Apollo is not the CAG & so on. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 04:13, 18 December 2006 (CST)
:I think I'm happy with the way someone titled here as a ''"[[CIC]] officer"'' in the box. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I don't believe she's been at the [[CIC#Communications Center|Communications Center]] anytime after [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]. She is usually manning the [[CIC#Tactical Station|Tactical Station]] in Season 3 so far. I believe Adama has rightfully put his excess of [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] crew to good use. Instead of having [[Gaeta]] running between Tactical and the [[FTL]] and every other station, he's placed [[Hoshi]] at Communiucations, Dualla at Tactical (using her experience as [[XO]]), and Gaeta near the FTL but still overseeing all. They are also likely able to cover each others roles, so it's difficult to really define her role at this time i believe. --[[User:EnsignXI|EnsignXI]] 08:22, 26 December 2006 (CST)

::That's a very good assumption. Hoshi is definately at Communications and not Dualla. Geata's and Dualla's roles are a bit undefined and alternate somewhat. But it makes sense to say that Gaeta is "Officer of the Deck" or something and oversees the operations of several people while Dualla is at tactical. But if needed Gaeta can help her there --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:32, 26 December 2006 (CST)
:::I disagree. Dualla was ''clearly'' communicating with Starbuck and Kat during the Raider chase in [[Hero]]. Who says that both Hoshi and Dualla cannot be communications officers aboard ship, merely on different watches? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 16:36, 30 December 2006 (CST)
::::Exactly. Also in [[A Measure of Salvation]] we can see Dualla wearing her headset (headphone & microphone) in CIC. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 06:09, 6 January 2007 (CST)

==Death==
Seeing as she is now deceased, shouldn't this article be in the past tense? -- [[User:Moo|Moo]] 04:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:Thwidra

2007-04-12T10:45:21Z

Moo: Welcome to Battlestar Wiki!

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User talk:Jmonty19

2007-04-12T10:45:04Z

Moo: Welcome to Battlestar Wiki!

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User talk:Sctfn

2007-04-12T02:01:53Z

Moo: New page: {{subst:welcome|Sctfn}}--~~~~

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Talk:Opera House/Archive 1

2007-04-12T01:56:51Z

Moo:

== Visions ==
Should we note here about the visions that Three has had that take place on the stage of the opera house? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:30, 19 December 2006 (CST)
: Yep. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:43, 19 December 2006 (CST)
== Ruins ==
Is it just me, or do the ruins look like Stonehenge? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 20:56, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

User:Moo

2007-04-11T11:22:52Z

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2007-04-11T11:22:33Z

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User talk:Shane

2007-04-11T10:37:26Z

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks! And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life. The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors. This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him. The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew. Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking. If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it. Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number. Here are the production numbers:

39. 3- 1 03001 (T2701) 6 Oct 06 Occupation
40. 3- 2 03002 (T2702) 6 Oct 06 Precipice
41. 3- 3 03003A (T2703A) 13 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 1
42. 3- 4 03003B (T2703B) 20 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 2
43. 3- 5 03004 (T2704) 27 Oct 06 Collaborators
44. 3- 6 03005 (T2705) 3 Nov 06 Torn
45. 3- 7 03006 (T2706) 10 Nov 06 A Measure of Salvation
46. 3- 8 03007 (T2707) 17 Nov 06 Hero
47. 3- 9 03008 (T2708) 1 Dec 06 Unfinished Business
48. 3-10 03009 (T2709) 8 Dec 06 The Passage
49. 3-11 03010 (T2710) 15 Dec 06 The Eye of Jupiter
50. 3-12 03011 (T2711) 21 Jan 07 Rapture
51. 3-13 03012 (T2712) 28 Jan 07 Taking a Break from All Your Worries
52. 3-14 03013 (T2713) 11 Feb 07 The Woman King
53. 3-15 03014 (T2714) 18 Feb 07 A Day in the Life
54. 3-16 03015 (T2715) 25 Feb 07 Dirty Hands
55. 3-17 03016 (T2716) 4 Mar 07 Maelstrom
56. 3-18 03017 (T2717) 11 Mar 07 The Son Also Rises
57. 3-19 03018 (T2718) 18 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 1
58. 3-20 03019 (T2719) 25 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers. Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate. The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles. You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes. The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above. Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there or in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals look better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''. Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers. As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown. You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal. I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred. What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to change the title. For example, the book/movie ''The Color Purple''. If this title were listed on a British site, one might be tempted to change the title to ''The Colour Purple''. But that would be effectively changing the title of the book. Yes, it would be the British spelling, but the book/movie isn't British.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::We aren't changing the title. We are talking about the way a number is written, for Pete's sake! It doesn't make a difference whether we use roman or arabic numerals. The title is still effectively the same. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::If you insist, we can make [[Exodus, Pt 1]], [[Exodus, Pt 2]], etc. redirect to the appropriate page. As for the production numbers, we can change the text "Production number:" to "Sequence number:", and we'd be fine, wouldn't we? BTW, would you happen to know what the "T27" part means?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::We already have "Episode number" at the top of the template. "Sequence number" is kinda redundant then. I didn't realize the main problem earlier, and Vidiot does have a point in this case. But then, I'm for deleting it altogether. Even noting the real production numbers used behind the scenes isn't that useful IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Not really, no. I say we throw out the production number as it's redundant anyway. Maybe call a vote on the template's talk page?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The ''extremely minor'' Roman vs. Arabic numerals issue aside (an issue easily rectified by redirects), the production number thing concerns me. A question that no one has sought fit to ask is '''what is/are the source(s) of these numbers'''?
:::Also, speaking of the Arabic vs. Roman numeral argument provided here, I've taken the liberty to refer to David Bassom's official companions for both Season 1 and Season 2. In the books, roman numerals are used in the episode titles. (i.e. "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" is written as "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:22, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The reason the production numbers are like this, is because it works in conjunction with the SciFi site when we link to the official summaries. The production numbers you give are cast/crew sheets and are "expanded" based on script readings. As for the name I do agree we have a little inconsistency, for the miniseries we have [[Miniseries, Night 1]] and [[Miniseries, Night 2]] but for the episodes them selfs we have roman numerals. Right now since, the avg. user has zero access to the script cast/crew calling sheets on the web (i.e. special access to IMDB Pro). I rather have everything "consistent" to what the avg. person sees. Yes we have Crew/Cast visiting this wiki (I talk with them all the time), but I am sure they don't care. '''Plus''' the universal language in this world is mathematics and keep roman numberlers is better imo. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:38, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

OK, here goes. My responses to all of the above new stuff will be done here.

As to the titles from the 1st and 2nd seasons, as listed in the two books, I have no clue what the author was using as a source and if he did change it to romans from the official paperwork. I do not have access to anything to say otherwise. Only this season do I have access to information that does provide some path to the official source. It is entirely possible that the department that put the tapes together type "Part 1" instead of "Part I". It is the only official documentation that I currently have. I suppose one could always ask RDM, since he obviously has access to official doumentation.

That same information is the source of the the production numbers, which is:

The 2nd image of each group is from the tape slate of the tape that was fed. I'd have to pull the DVD-ROMs of the previous episodes to show the pattern.

Early on, GDMX fed both Canada and Comcast. After the break, the Comcast feeds were no more. I believe that the T27nn numbers are an internal number for the Comcast edits (which contained promos for NBC programming). The satellite feed slates were never modified to contain the NBC/Universal official show production number until recently.

As to Shane's comment (which I just now saw), call sheets might not necessarily have the NBC/Universal production number on them. The ones for Paramount Star Trek shows did (the ones from ST:TNG onward). They might only have the episode number, which is one less than the sequence number ('Exodus' being 303A and 303B). I do not know NBC/Universal's format without seeing a copy of a callsheet.

The Wiki is supposed to contain facts. A production number listing is supposed to be just that, the official production number assigned by the studio. Putting up a sequence number and calling it a production number is inaccurate. If you are still not sure that what I have provided is correct, I say that the production number listing be removed until paperwork can be obtained from NBC/Universal.

I just looked at Sci-Fi's web site and they have 'CROSSROADS - PT 2', i.e., arabic, not roman. Six of one, half dozen of the other. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 17:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

==French Wiki==
I'd like to help with the french wiki, but I'm having trouble with the episode names. Since [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] doesn't seem to be there really, we would need additional help with the wiki (i.e. setting up some conventions on how to quote episode names for example).--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 14:39, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
: The standards are already on the wiki in [[:fr:Battlestar Wiki:French Translation|Battlestar Wiki:French Translation]] and in-time translation from English polices and translations would be transfered also. If you were an sysop on the French wiki, you could come up with your own French standaards with french community. There is also a lot of articles that need to be deleted to be fixed up. If your up to the task I am sure we will allow it. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:30, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::I see, well the only admin on the french wiki, apart from you, seems to have been inactive for a while.--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:33, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Well I do not speak French. ;-) Just english.. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:35, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::I'd be glad to help with the policies and whatnot. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:38, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for the sysop! I've started on the templates and will work my way up to the policies and the more complicated stuff. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 16:13, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::One more question... What is [[Template:Episode Guide]] used for? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 17:45, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Making episodes templates. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:20, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::It's subst'ed. That means we use <nowiki>{{subst:Episode Guide}}</nowiki> to create a skeleton page for an episode guide, save it, then re-edit to tweak it for a particular episode. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:44, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::One more question. Is there a way to make the Wikipedia:* links to the french wikipedia? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:29, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:::[[BW:INTER]] - Each wiki has W:* that goes to their lang wiki. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:49, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Sweet! thanks --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 05:37, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

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{{translation|[[33/pt:33|Portuguese]] and [[33/ms:33|Malay]]}}

{{Episode Data
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| title= 33
| series=
| season= 1
| episode= 1
| guests=
| writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]
| story=
| goof=Y
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 101
| rating= 2.6
| US airdate= 2005-01-14
| UK airdate= 2004-10-18
| dvd= {{Season 1 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US''' {{Season 1 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''
| population= 50298
| extra= '''Series Premiere'''
| prev= [[Miniseries]]
| next= [[Water]]
}}

== Overview ==

: ''Continuing from the events of the [[Miniseries]], ''[[Galactica]]'' and the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] must avoid their [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] pursuers, which ambush them every 33 minutes after each successful [[FTL|jump]].''

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica]]'' ===
* The crew of battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' have been on continuous alert for some 130.35 hours, during which time the Fleet has had to make an [[FTL|FTL jump]] every 33 minutes to escape their [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] pursuers shortly after their initial escape from [[Ragnar Anchorage]].
* Everyone in the Fleet is beginning to feel the strain – particularly [[Gaius Baltar]], who is also distracted by [[Number Six|Six’s]] repeated conversations about [[God]] having a plan for him, and also her wanting to have his children.
* Vessels in the Fleet are also beginning to feel the strain: Jump engines and their controlling computers are starting to breakdown or malfunction, requiring ''Galactica'' to linger longer and longer in the Cylon line of fire while the rest of the fleet complete their Jumps.
* Following jump number 237, [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] receives word from a Dr. [[Amorak]] aboard the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' concerning information on how the Cylons overcame Colonial defenses.
* Overhearing the conversation, Baltar is worried: he knew Amorak at the [[Defence Ministry]]. As Six points out, Amorak might have information on Baltar's complicity with the Cylon attack.
* There is insufficient time before the next Jump to bring Amorak aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', but Roslin wants to see him directly after the Jump has been completed.
*[[Anastasia Dualla]] finds time to visit a team of people who are [[Fleet registry|cataloging survivors]] in the Fleet. When she cannot leave her photos to aid in searching for her loved ones, she is amazed to see a corridor that has been [[Memorial hallway|converted into a makeshift memorial]].
* Elsewhere, [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is having problems accepting her new [[ECO]], [[Crashdown]], and is feeling guilty about leaving [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] to his fate.
* When the next Jump is made, the ''Olympic Carrier'', complete with Dr. Amorak and 1344 other souls, fails to appear with the rest of the Fleet. Six tries to convince Baltar that it is because God is watching over him.
* Thirty-three minutes later, the Fleet is ready to jump, but the Cylons don’t appear. Adama orders a stand-down from the immediate alert, but the Fleet is to maintain a readiness to Jump, in case the Cylons do return.
* When Baltar continues to refuse the concept of God, the ''Olympic Carrier'' reappears; Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] orders the Fleet to [[Action Stations|Condition One alert]], fearing the worst. He orders the Jump clocks reset in anticipation of the Cylons arriving.
*The [[Combat Air Patrol]] lead by [[Lee Adama]] intercepts the [[Intersun|starliner]]. Adama orders all communications with the ''Carrier'' jammed and the ''Carrier'' is ordered (through signal lamps) to remain at its current position. When the ''Carrier'' fails to heed orders not to approach the fleet, tensions rise, and a [[Radiological Alarm|radiological alarm]] reveals there is now a nuclear weapon on the liner.
*As the crisis deepens, the Cylons appear precisely 33 minutes after the return of the ''Carrier'', confirming that the ''Carrier'' was used somehow by the Cylons to track the Fleet. Adama wants to destroy the liner, but Roslin hesitates to give the order, as no one can be sure if the 1,345 people aboard the ''Carrier'' are still alive. Baltar is terrified she won't give the order for fear of Amorak's information.
*Six uses the hesitation to push Baltar into “repenting” before God. As soon as he does, Roslin gives the order to destroy the liner. Apollo and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] (reluctantly) open fire, destroying the liner. After the Fleet makes a Jump once more, the Cylon's relentless pursuit is halted.
*A day later, everyone is living with the consequences of their actions. Only [[Billy Keikeya]] has a small nugget of good news: at some point in the proceedings, a baby was born in the Fleet.

===On Caprica===
* [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is on the run in the rainy woodland, and has [[Wikipedia:Claymore mine|Claymore-like ordnance]] he uses to blow up pursuing [[Cylon Centurion]]s.
* Helo's six days on the run comes to an end when he is captured by the Cylons, after being distracted by the appearance of a copy of [[Number Six]], wearing a white raincoat.
*Helo is “rescued” by [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|a copy of Valerii]], who shoots Six and then leads Helo away into the woods. Helo mistakenly believes that this Valerii copy is actually the "Boomer" copy that left Caprica and returned to rescue him.

== Questions ==

*Billy reports that the number of survivors is down by 300 - some lost through death from injuries, etc., some "lost" through initial inaccurate counts, and the rest have "disappeared". How can people simply "disappear" in the Fleet?
*Did [[Doctor Amorak]] truly have something on Baltar's involvement in the holocaust?
*Was Amorak even aboard the ''Olympic Carrier''?
*Is Six actually in contact with other Cylons, and thus involved in the disappearance / reappearance of the ''Olympic Carrier''?
*How long was the ''Olympic Carrier'' under Cylon control?
*What happened to the group of survivors [[Helo]] was left with in the [[Miniseries]]? ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far|Answer]])
*Was the person speaking over the wireless when the ''Olympic Carrier'' returned really its captain, or a Humanoid Cylon?
*Were there any people aboard the ''Olympic Carrier'' when it was destroyed?
*Will the destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier'' be brought up again? ([[Water|Answer 1]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Answer 2]])

== Analysis ==
*'''Why did the Cylons come "every 33 minutes"?''' Short answer: it was a number Ron Moore has stated he picked at random, with no other significance. Long answer: See the [[Numerology#33|Numerology]] article for in-depth analysis of the "mystery of 33".
*The cast actually consulted with a sleep deprivation expert before this episode, making a large effort to accurately depict the effects of sleep deprivation on their characters, and it really comes through on screen. Rather than simply yawning alot and constantly saying "wow, I'm so tired", the cast met the series' goal of realistically portraying their symptoms: they behave aggravated, they start to forget things, their minds just start "slowing down".
*With [[Number Six#Baltar's Internal Six|Baltar's internal Number Six]], three possibilities seem to suggest themselves:
**She is a creation of his own psyche; a reaction to his betrayal of his people to the Cylons. Certainly, his increasing psychosis in the episode would seem to point to this; but then, he has - like the rest - been five plus days without sleep, and some degree of paranoia is bound to result.
**She is, as she suggested in the Miniseries, created by an implanted chip in his head and possibly in communication with the Cylons. However, if this is the case, surely the Cylon hunt for the Fleet would continue despite the destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier'' - as the Cylons would be tracing the fleet through Baltar. Given the humans are to all intents and purposes "on the ropes", it seems odd that they would break off the attack when they have such a clear advantage.
***The brain scan on Baltar in "[[Home, Part II]]" dismisses the notion that a mechanical implant is in his head, although it may not be medically recognizable.
***At times through the series, Baltar's virtual Six ''claims'' that the other Cylons are totally unaware of her existence.
**Could Six be a complete download of "Six's" personality, captured at the point of destruction of Baltar's home, and now contained in his head, possibly occupying his subconscious, out of contact with her own kind, but able to fully interact with his thoughts and feelings – even manipulate his thoughts and feelings? This may suggest Baltar [[Gaius Baltar#Speculation: The Real Baltar?|could be a Humanoid Cylon himself]].
*Why is Boomer's Raptor launched alongside Apollo's Vipers for what everyone is expecting to be an interdiction exercise against Cylon Raiders?
:* Based on events from the [[Miniseries]] and in later episodes, Raptors are occasionally used to support or augment Viper operations with strengthened [[DRADIS]] and perhaps [[Radiological Alarm|radiological]] detection. Normally, Raptors are not on [[CAP]] with Vipers and are frequently deployed alone or as a group, but the events of "33" suggest that Commander Adama wanted to ensure extra coverage with the Raptor's stronger [[Computers|avionics]] to ensure extra coverage of Cylon activity.
:* In a [[You Can't Go Home Again| later episode]] a Raptor is used for rescuing ejected pilots during combat.
*The [[Memorial hallway]] scene continues the writers' allusion to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States to the events of the Miniseries through the use of the many memorials, the confusion in finding lost loved ones, and Dualla's amazement at the size of the memorial. (A [[Lest We Forget|picture of a Colonial soldier]] on one of the Colonies during its destruction also plays on the intense feelings felt by many Americans when they saw similar pictures of New York City firefighters at the ruins of the World Trade Center.)

== Notes ==

=== Episode Notes ===

*Continuous jumping badly affects the FTL drives and management systems aboard commercial Colonial vessels, which are not as rugged as ''Galactica's'' military-issue drives.
*The Cylons FTL ability is just as highly-accurate as the FTL of the Colonials. 238 times they manage to pounce on the Colonial fleet, arriving with precise momentum and trajectory to be able to close the distance and launch an attack.
*According to [[Socinus]], there are 5,251 people in the Fleet from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]].
*As of "33", there are 60 civilian ships in the Fleet, but [[Continuity errors (RDM)|errors in continuity of episode events]], especially from "[[Home, Part I]]", may place this initial information in question.
*The head count of Colonial citizens at the end of the episode is 47,273.
*At first appearance, there appears to be error with Billy's math with the [[survivor count]]. The episode starts with the count being 50,298. He informs Roslin this is in error by 300 = 49,998 survivors. When the ''Olympic Carrier'' is destroyed (1,345 people), he reduces the total to 47,972 – that’s a reduction of 2026, or 681 people ''more'' than listed on the ''Carrier''. However, in [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#33|deleted scenes]] from this episode, Billy is actually reducing the survivor count additional times set between the beginning of the episode and the destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier''. These other deaths just occur offscreen.
*[[Crashdown]] wears the patch of the battlestar ''[[Triton (RDM)|Triton]]'' on his flight suit, which fits to Boomer's comment that she has been saddled with a "refugee from ''Triton''". Of interest, ''Triton's'' [[Battlestar Group]] appears to be "33".

=== Production Notes ===

*This episode won the [[Awards and Honors|2005 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form]].
*When Season 1 premiered in the United States, "33" and "[[Water]]" aired back-to-back as a two hour TV event. This was also the case when [[Season 3 (2006-07)|Season 3]] first aired in the United States with the episodes "[[Occupation]]" and "[[Precipice]]".
*When the first few episodes of the series began airing on Scifi Channel, title cards were shown at the beginning of each episode, i.e. "33" or "Water" flashing in white letters on a black screen, and then the episode would begin. This stopped by mid-Season 1.
*[[Zoic]] visual effects artists hid small signs of movement within the ''Olympic Carrier'' in close-up effect shots as something of a morbid joke. Lights in the windows appear to flicker on and off rather rapidly and when slowed down there is some kind of movement visible on the inside of the ship.{{citation needed}} Originally, the scene was to confirm the existence of civilians inside the ship by showing civilians peering out the windows.<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=47|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>
*In the DVD commentary for this episode, Ron D. Moore states that during the scene when Dualla hands Commander Adama a set of reports that he reads aloud (including fuel shortages, dozens of crewmen breaking down from nervous exhaustion, etc), Edward James Olmos ad-libbed "and ten suicides" in one take. The production team really liked the ad-lib, and thought the way Olmos acted the scene was fantastic. However, there were concerns that the network would think this would make an already ''extremely'' "dark" episode far '''too''' dark and alienate the audience during the premiere, and the line was reluctantly cut.
*While waiting to film a Viper sequence for this episode at 11 or 12 o'clock at night, [[Katee Sackhoff]] fell asleep inside the Viper cockpit.<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=44|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>
*To add realism to the sleep deprivation motif, Olmos enlisted the aid of a sleep deprivation expert and also curtailed his sleeping habits to a maximum of three hours per night, noting how it affected him. With the help of this expert, he relayed to the rest of the crew how deprivation affects the human body and mind. Additionally, director [[Michael Rymer]] told the actors to choose one symptom to play, so as to avoid distracting repetition.<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=46|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Baltar is having a vision of climbing into bed with Number Six''
:'''Six:''' You know you're not safe.
:'''Baltar:''' No, course not. The Cylons will follow us again, as they have the last two hundred and thirty seven times.
:'''Six:''' You're right, you know. There are limits. Eventually you'll make a mistake.
:'''Baltar:''' And then you'll kill us all. Yes. Yes, I know, but...not for another thirty-three minutes.

*''Addressing the bridge crew:''
:'''Colonel Tigh''': Yes, we're tired. Yes, there is no relief. Yes, the Cylons keep coming after us time after time after time. And yes, we are still expected to do our jobs!

* ''When Lee Adama and Kara Thrace are on ''Galactica's'' flight deck:''
:'''Lee Adama''': Hey, did you see the note from the XO?
:'''Kara Thrace''': I saw it. No way.
:'''Lee Adama''': Kara, everyone else--
:'''Kara Thrace''': I don't fly with stims. They fudge with your reflexes, your reaction time.
:'''Lee Adama''': Come on, Kara, give me a break. Just--
:'''Kara Thrace''': Why are we arguing about this?
:'''Lee Adama''': I have no idea.
:'''Kara Thrace''': Neither do I. You're the [[CAG]], act like one.
:'''Lee Adama''': What does that mean?
:'''Kara Thrace''': It means that you're still acting like everyone's best friend. We're not friends. You're the CAG. "Be careful out there?" Our job isn't to be careful, it's to shoot frakking [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] out of the sky. "Good Hunting" is what you say. And one of your idiot pilots is acting like a child and refusing to take her pills. So she either says "Yes, sir" and obeys a direct order, or you smack her in the mouth and drag her sorry ass to [[sickbay]] and you make her take those pills.
:(Lee and Kara both start laughing)
:'''Lee Adama''': Well, I'm glad I'm not working for you.
:'''Kara Thrace''': (laughing) Damn right you're glad.
:'''Lee Adama''': So do I have to smack you in the mouth, Lieutenant?
:'''Kara Thrace''': No sir, I'll take my pills. (takes pills from Lee) Perfect.
:'''Lee Adama''': Carry on.
:'''Kara Thrace''': (half-heartedly saluting) Yes, sir.

* ''When Commander Adama and Colonel Tigh are talking outside the [[CIC]]:''
:'''Colonel Tigh''': (grunting) Oh...a couple hours rack time does sound awfully sweet right about now...
:'''Commander Adama''': You deserve it.
:'''Colonel Tigh''': You know, the truth is, all this has me feeling...well, more alive than I have in years.
:'''Commander Adama''': You look that way too. It's good to see you without the cup in your hand.
:'''Colonel Tigh''': Ah, don't start.
:'''Commander Adama''': I know there's a whole lot of people on this ship, that wish you weren't feeling as good.
:'''Colonel Tigh''': (laughing) If the crew doesn't hate the XO, then he's not doing his job. Besides, I've gotta make the old man look good.
:'''Commander Adama''': I always look good.
:'''Colonel Tigh''': Look in the mirror.
:'''Commander Adama''': Seriously...
:'''Colonel Tigh''': Sir?
:'''Commander Adama''': It's one thing to push the crew. It's another thing to break them.

* ''As the [[Olympic Carrier]] heads on a suicide run towards ''Galactica'', Lee Adama, Kara Thrace and Sharon Valerii are flying beside the liner:''
:'''Boomer''': (in a Raptor flying beside the ''Olympic Carrier'') We have...new orders. We are directed to...destroy the ''Olympic Carrier'', and return back to ''Galactica''.
:'''Kara Thrace''': (in a Viper flying beside the carrier) It's a civilian ship!
:'''Crashdown''': (inside the Raptor) Yeah...a civilian ship with nukes.
:(Lee Adama looks out the cockpit window of his Viper at the ship, which seems to be barren)
:'''Crashdown''': I don't see anybody in there. Do you?
:'''Lee Adama''': The Cylons will be here any second. If we're gonna do this, let's just do it. Starbuck, form up with me and we'll make one pass from astern.
:(Lee and Kara fall back a fair distance from the ship)
:'''Kara Thrace''': Lee, what if you're wrong? (silence) Lee, come on. Lee!
:'''Lee Adama''': Okay, fire on my mark.
:'''Kara Thrace''': No [[Frak|frakking]] way, Lee. Lee! Come on!
:'''Lee Adama''': ... ... mark.
:(Lee and Kara both open fire on the Olympic Carrier, and it explodes in a ball of flames.)

== Official Statements ==

=== Note on [["Lest We Forget"]] ===
{{From RDM blog}}

:"It's probably been asked before, but I'm curious as to whom[sic] is in the picture in the Viper Pilot's briefing room, facing away from the camera . . . the one the pilots, including [[William Adama|Commander Adama]], touch when they enter and leave? This is touching, and is a wonderful human element to the story. So who is it?"

:There was a scene cut from [[33|"33"]] where we saw [[Laura Roslin]] being given her copy of the photo along with a card that said it was taken on the roof of the capitol building on Aerilon during the attack. The photo was inspired by the famous shot of the fire-fighters raising the flag at Ground Zero that became iconic. I thought the Colonies would have their own version of this -- a snapshot taken in the moment that becomes a symbol of the day they can never forget and of all they had lost. The photo itself is of a soldier falling to his knees (possibly shot or simply overcome by emotion) as he stands on the rooftop over looking the devastation of his city, while the Colonial flag waves at the edge of frame. The inscription below the photo on Laura's plaque reads, [["Lest We Forget"]] in itself a reference to the inscription on the watch presented to John Wayne's character in "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon."

=== Comments from the Cast ===

*"Insomnia. Nobody has slept. Everyone's just coming to terms with the fact that they have lost everybody that they've loved or relate to." -- [[Jamie Bamber]], [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_06_320.mov]

*"It was a hard episode, because, you just had to basically fall apart." -- [[Katee Sackhoff]], [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_06_320.mov]

*"Episode 1 is extremely docu-style because the characters haven't actually slept for five days (sic) and they have been running from the Cylons for the 250th time. And it's very stressful and they're about to lose the plot completely because of sleep deprivation." -- [[Michael Rymer]], [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_06_320.mov]

=== Excerpt from the Official Companion ===
In [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]], the dedicated performance by the cast, trying to accurately and realistically depict extensive sleep deprivation on-screen, was explained:
:"''Battlestar Galactica<nowiki>'</nowiki>''s first season premiere required the show's cast members to depict their characters under extreme physical and emotional duress, as they faced sleep deprivation and the constant threat of Cylon attack. This unique and intriguing acting challenge prompted Edward James Olmos to enlist the assistance of a sleep deprivation expert, who met with the cast shortly prior to the starting of shooting. Olmos and several other cast members also restricted their sleeping paterns a few days before filming, to gain a better understanding of sleep deprivation.

:"I rested just before we actually shot the episode, because I didn't want to go on-camera exhausted," explains Olmos. "But in the week before shooting, I only had about three hours of sleep per night and I studied myself to get to know how to pay the symptoms of sleep deprivation. About two days away from shooting, I was sitting in this meeting and everyone was looking at me as I tried to make sense. I told everyone, "This is what happens when you go without sleep — you don't act funny or yawn all the time, it's more the case that your mind doesn't function correctly". The doctor later expanded on this, and pretty soon everyone was tuned in. So when we went into the episode, everyone knew exactly what they were doing, and it was beautiful to watch."" (page 46)

== Guest stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]
*[[Alonso Oyarzun]] as Specialist [[Socinus]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]

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User talk:Shane

2007-04-09T21:13:42Z

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks! And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life. The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors. This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him. The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew. Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking. If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it. Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number. Here are the production numbers:

39. 3- 1 03001 (T2701) 6 Oct 06 Occupation
40. 3- 2 03002 (T2702) 6 Oct 06 Precipice
41. 3- 3 03003A (T2703A) 13 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 1
42. 3- 4 03003B (T2703B) 20 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 2
43. 3- 5 03004 (T2704) 27 Oct 06 Collaborators
44. 3- 6 03005 (T2705) 3 Nov 06 Torn
45. 3- 7 03006 (T2706) 10 Nov 06 A Measure of Salvation
46. 3- 8 03007 (T2707) 17 Nov 06 Hero
47. 3- 9 03008 (T2708) 1 Dec 06 Unfinished Business
48. 3-10 03009 (T2709) 8 Dec 06 The Passage
49. 3-11 03010 (T2710) 15 Dec 06 The Eye of Jupiter
50. 3-12 03011 (T2711) 21 Jan 07 Rapture
51. 3-13 03012 (T2712) 28 Jan 07 Taking a Break from All Your Worries
52. 3-14 03013 (T2713) 11 Feb 07 The Woman King
53. 3-15 03014 (T2714) 18 Feb 07 A Day in the Life
54. 3-16 03015 (T2715) 25 Feb 07 Dirty Hands
55. 3-17 03016 (T2716) 4 Mar 07 Maelstrom
56. 3-18 03017 (T2717) 11 Mar 07 The Son Also Rises
57. 3-19 03018 (T2718) 18 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 1
58. 3-20 03019 (T2719) 25 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers. Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate. The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles. You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes. The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above. Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there or in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals look better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''. Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers. As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown. You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal. I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred. What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to change the title. For example, the book/movie ''The Color Purple''. If this title were listed on a British site, one might be tempted to change the title to ''The Colour Purple''. But that would be effectively changing the title of the book. Yes, it would be the British spelling, but the book/movie isn't British.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::We aren't changing the title. We are talking about the way a number is written, for Pete's sake! It doesn't make a difference whether we use roman or arabic numerals. The title is still effectively the same. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::If you insist, we can make [[Exodus, Pt 1]], [[Exodus, Pt 2]], etc. redirect to the appropriate page. As for the production numbers, we can change the text "Production number:" to "Sequence number:", and we'd be fine, wouldn't we? BTW, would you happen to know what the "T27" part means?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::We already have "Episode number" at the top of the template. "Sequence number" is kinda redundant then. I didn't realize the main problem earlier, and Vidiot does have a point in this case. But then, I'm for deleting it altogether. Even noting the real production numbers used behind the scenes isn't that useful IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Not really, no. I say we throw out the production number as it's redundant anyway. Maybe call a vote on the template's talk page?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The ''extremely minor'' Roman vs. Arabic numerals issue aside (an issue easily rectified by redirects), the production number thing concerns me. A question that no one has sought fit to ask is '''what is/are the source(s) of these numbers'''?
:::Also, speaking of the Arabic vs. Roman numeral argument provided here, I've taken the liberty to refer to David Bassom's official companions for both Season 1 and Season 2. In the books, roman numerals are used in the episode titles. (i.e. "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" is written as "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:22, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The reason the production numbers are like this, is because it works in conjunction with the SciFi site when we link to the official summaries. The production numbers you give are cast/crew sheets and are "expanded" based on script readings. As for the name I do agree we have a little inconsistency, for the miniseries we have [[Miniseries, Night 1]] and [[Miniseries, Night 2]] but for the episodes them selfs we have roman numerals. Right now since, the avg. user has zero access to the script cast/crew calling sheets on the web (i.e. special access to IMDB Pro). I rather have everything "consistent" to what the avg. person sees. Yes we have Crew/Cast visiting this wiki (I talk with them all the time), but I am sure they don't care. '''Plus''' the universal language in this world is mathematics and keep roman numberlers is better imo. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:38, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

OK, here goes. My responses to all of the above new stuff will be done here.

As to the titles from the 1st and 2nd seasons, as listed in the two books, I have no clue what the author was using as a source and if he did change it to romans from the official paperwork. I do not have access to anything to say otherwise. Only this season do I have access to information that does provide some path to the official source. It is entirely possible that the department that put the tapes together type "Part 1" instead of "Part I". It is the only official documentation that I currently have. I suppose one could always ask RDM, since he obviously has access to official doumentation.

That same information is the source of the the production numbers, which is:

The 2nd image of each group is from the tape slate of the tape that was fed. I'd have to pull the DVD-ROMs of the previous episodes to show the pattern.

Early on, GDMX fed both Canada and Comcast. After the break, the Comcast feeds were no more. I believe that the T27nn numbers are an internal number for the Comcast edits (which contained promos for NBC programming). The satellite feed slates were never modified to contain the NBC/Universal official show production number until recently.

As to Shane's comment (which I just now saw), call sheets might not necessarily have the NBC/Universal production number on them. The ones for Paramount Star Trek shows did (the ones from ST:TNG onward). They might only have the episode number, which is one less than the sequence number ('Exodus' being 303A and 303B). I do not know NBC/Universal's format without seeing a copy of a callsheet.

The Wiki is supposed to contain facts. A production number listing is supposed to be just that, the official production number assigned by the studio. Putting up a sequence number and calling it a production number is inaccurate. If you are still not sure that what I have provided is correct, I say that the production number listing be removed until paperwork can be obtained from NBC/Universal.

I just looked at Sci-Fi's web site and they have 'CROSSROADS - PT 2', i.e., arabic, not roman. Six of one, half dozen of the other. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 17:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

==French Wiki==
I'd like to help with the french wiki, but I'm having trouble with the episode names. Since [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] doesn't seem to be there really, we would need additional help with the wiki (i.e. setting up some conventions on how to quote episode names for example).--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 14:39, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
: The standards are already on the wiki in [[:fr:Battlestar Wiki:French Translation|Battlestar Wiki:French Translation]] and in-time translation from English polices and translations would be transfered also. If you were an sysop on the French wiki, you could come up with your own French standaards with french community. There is also a lot of articles that need to be deleted to be fixed up. If your up to the task I am sure we will allow it. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:30, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::I see, well the only admin on the french wiki, apart from you, seems to have been inactive for a while.--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:33, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::I'd be glad to help! --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:34, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Shane

2007-04-09T20:33:28Z

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2007-04-09T19:39:05Z

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks! And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life. The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors. This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him. The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew. Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking. If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it. Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number. Here are the production numbers:

39. 3- 1 03001 (T2701) 6 Oct 06 Occupation
40. 3- 2 03002 (T2702) 6 Oct 06 Precipice
41. 3- 3 03003A (T2703A) 13 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 1
42. 3- 4 03003B (T2703B) 20 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 2
43. 3- 5 03004 (T2704) 27 Oct 06 Collaborators
44. 3- 6 03005 (T2705) 3 Nov 06 Torn
45. 3- 7 03006 (T2706) 10 Nov 06 A Measure of Salvation
46. 3- 8 03007 (T2707) 17 Nov 06 Hero
47. 3- 9 03008 (T2708) 1 Dec 06 Unfinished Business
48. 3-10 03009 (T2709) 8 Dec 06 The Passage
49. 3-11 03010 (T2710) 15 Dec 06 The Eye of Jupiter
50. 3-12 03011 (T2711) 21 Jan 07 Rapture
51. 3-13 03012 (T2712) 28 Jan 07 Taking a Break from All Your Worries
52. 3-14 03013 (T2713) 11 Feb 07 The Woman King
53. 3-15 03014 (T2714) 18 Feb 07 A Day in the Life
54. 3-16 03015 (T2715) 25 Feb 07 Dirty Hands
55. 3-17 03016 (T2716) 4 Mar 07 Maelstrom
56. 3-18 03017 (T2717) 11 Mar 07 The Son Also Rises
57. 3-19 03018 (T2718) 18 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 1
58. 3-20 03019 (T2719) 25 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers. Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate. The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles. You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes. The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above. Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there or in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals look better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''. Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers. As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown. You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal. I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred. What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to change the title. For example, the book/movie ''The Color Purple''. If this title were listed on a British site, one might be tempted to change the title to ''The Colour Purple''. But that would be effectively changing the title of the book. Yes, it would be the British spelling, but the book/movie isn't British.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::We aren't changing the title. We are talking about the way a number is written, for Pete's sake! It doesn't make a difference whether we use roman or arabic numerals. The title is still effectively the same. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::If you insist, we can make [[Exodus, Pt 1]], [[Exodus, Pt 2]], etc. redirect to the appropriate page. As for the production numbers, we can change the text "Production number:" to "Sequence number:", and we'd be fine, wouldn't we? BTW, would you happen to know what the "T27" part means?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::We already have "Episode number" at the top of the template. "Sequence number" is kinda redundant then. I didn't realize the main problem earlier, and Vidiot does have a point in this case. But then, I'm for deleting it altogether. Even noting the real production numbers used behind the scenes isn't that useful IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Not really, no. I say we throw out the production number as it's redundant anyway. Maybe call a vote on the template's talk page?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The ''extremely minor'' Roman vs. Arabic numerals issue aside (an issue easily rectified by redirects), the production number thing concerns me. A question that no one has sought fit to ask is '''what is/are the source(s) of these numbers'''?
:::Also, speaking of the Arabic vs. Roman numeral argument provided here, I've taken the liberty to refer to David Bassom's official companions for both Season 1 and Season 2. In the books, roman numerals are used in the episode titles. (i.e. "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" is written as "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:22, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The reason the production numbers are like this, is because it works in conjunction with the SciFi site when we link to the official summaries. The production numbers you give are cast/crew sheets and are "expanded" based on script readings. As for the name I do agree we have a little inconsistency, for the miniseries we have [[Miniseries, Night 1]] and [[Miniseries, Night 2]] but for the episodes them selfs we have roman numerals. Right now since, the avg. user has zero access to the script cast/crew calling sheets on the web (i.e. special access to IMDB Pro). I rather have everything "consistent" to what the avg. person sees. Yes we have Crew/Cast visiting this wiki (I talk with them all the time), but I am sure they don't care. '''Plus''' the universal language in this world is mathematics and keep roman numberlers is better imo. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:38, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

OK, here goes. My responses to all of the above new stuff will be done here.

As to the titles from the 1st and 2nd seasons, as listed in the two books, I have no clue what the author was using as a source and if he did change it to romans from the official paperwork. I do not have access to anything to say otherwise. Only this season do I have access to information that does provide some path to the official source. It is entirely possible that the department that put the tapes together type "Part 1" instead of "Part I". It is the only official documentation that I currently have. I suppose one could always ask RDM, since he obviously has access to official doumentation.

That same information is the source of the the production numbers, which is:

The 2nd image of each group is from the tape slate of the tape that was fed. I'd have to pull the DVD-ROMs of the previous episodes to show the pattern.

Early on, GDMX fed both Canada and Comcast. After the break, the Comcast feeds were no more. I believe that the T27nn numbers are an internal number for the Comcast edits (which contained promos for NBC programming). The satellite feed slates were never modified to contain the NBC/Universal official show production number until recently.

As to Shane's comment (which I just now saw), call sheets might not necessarily have the NBC/Universal production number on them. The ones for Paramount Star Trek shows did (the ones from ST:TNG onward). They might only have the episode number, which is one less than the sequence number ('Exodus' being 303A and 303B). I do not know NBC/Universal's format without seeing a copy of a callsheet.

The Wiki is supposed to contain facts. A production number listing is supposed to be just that, the official production number assigned by the studio. Putting up a sequence number and calling it a production number is inaccurate. If you are still not sure that what I have provided is correct, I say that the production number listing be removed until paperwork can be obtained from NBC/Universal.

I just looked at Sci-Fi's web site and they have 'CROSSROADS - PT 2', i.e., arabic, not roman. Six of one, half dozen of the other. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 17:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

==French Wiki==
I'd like to help with the french wiki, but I'm having trouble with the episode names. Since [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] doesn't seem to be there really, we would need additionnal help with the wiki (i.e. setting up some conventions on how to quote episode names for example).--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 14:39, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Final Five

2007-03-28T01:22:27Z

Moo: Revert - Sorry, the wiki is so slow that it took an hour for my previous edit to take.

[[Image:Final Five.jpg|right|thumb|300px|D'Anna's vision shows five white-robed figures between each banner ([[Rapture]]) '''Note''': This picture is a production still and is in no way indicative of the identities of the Final Five. No official source has confirmed the identities of these stand-in actors.]]
The term "'''final five'''" collectively describes five of the twelve [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylon models]] whose identity, knowledge, or existence has been deliberately or accidentally lost to seven of the Humanoid Cylon models.

[[Caprica-Six]], when asked by Gaius Baltar about the five missing models he has not seen on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] he lives on or on [[New Caprica]], curtly replies that the others do not talk about the subject ([[Torn]]).

==The unauthorized quest for the Five==

A [[Number Three]] copy, whom [[Gaius Baltar]] calls by her human alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the final five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).

One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and twelfth and final Cylon, [[w:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan]]. ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

[[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]
Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) lead him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.

The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers ("[[The Passage]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]"). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. D'Anna steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise "You... forgive me... I had no idea." She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She dies before she can tell Baltar what she saw. She tells Baltar, "You were right," but dies before answering about what. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day.

Although four of the final five have been revealed ([[Crossroads, Part II]]), the identity of the person she recognized remains a mystery ([[Rapture]]).

==Four Revealed==
As [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], four people begin hearing an [[The Music|unusual melody]] on wireless radio: these four are Colonel [[Saul Tig h]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering it's mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the final five. The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven, as Col. Tigh in particular has been alive for over 60 years and is a well documented veteran of the first [[Cylon War]], at a time when the humanoid Cylons known to mankind supposedly did not exist.

===Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god===

*The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], long before the Cylons existed. The [[Thirteenth Tribe]] would, logically, have no knowledge of these automatons in the strictest sense. However, the Thirteenth Tribe has significant prophetic insight, as shown in the works of [[Pythia]]. According to Colonial scriptures, "Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken". This may have been another Lord of Kobol, given that on a deleted scene [[Elosha]] noted that the fall of [[Kobol]] and its civilization was due in part to a "jealous god".

*On [[New Caprica]], D'Anna/Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.

*With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol.

===The Eye of Jupiter and Kara Thrace===

*The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that "doodled" a circular image as a child with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, "[[Valley of Darkness]]"), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophesy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an unexplained "destiny" ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

===Illusion or Truth===

*The threes hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.

*Later, in dream visions of the opera house shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear.

*As the Temple of Five was apparently built for human usage, the Temple may have only allowed the transitional visions that the Threes see to be more persistent and clear. It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not D'Anna/Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the "chosen one". The human association and significance of the five priests, the god they worshiped, and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.

==Notes==

* The podcast for "[[Rapture]]" confirms that the final five Cylons have not been [[boxing|boxed]]<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}</ref>.
* During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Final Five

2007-03-27T21:42:31Z

Moo: Bob Dylan is not a Cylon.

[[Image:Final Five.jpg|right|thumb|300px|D'Anna's vision shows five white-robed figures between each banner ([[Rapture]]) '''Note''': This picture is a production still and is in no way indicative of the identities of the Final Five. No official source has confirmed the identities of these stand-in actors.]]
The term "'''final five'''" collectively describes five of the twelve [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylon models]] whose identity, knowledge, or existence has been deliberately or accidentally lost to seven of the Humanoid Cylon models.

[[Caprica-Six]], when asked by Gaius Baltar about the five missing models he has not seen on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] he lives on or on [[New Caprica]], curtly replies that the others do not talk about the subject ([[Torn]]).

==The unauthorized quest for the Five==

A [[Number Three]] copy, whom [[Gaius Baltar]] calls by her human alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the final five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).

One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and twelfth and final Cylon ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

[[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]
Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) lead him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.

The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers ("[[The Passage]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]"). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. D'Anna steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise "You... forgive me... I had no idea." She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She dies before she can tell Baltar what she saw. She tells Baltar, "You were right," but dies before answering about what. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day.

Although four of the final five have been revealed ([[Crossroads, Part II]]), the identity of the person she recognized remains a mystery ([[Rapture]]).

==Four Revealed==
As [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], an [[W:All Along the Watchtower|unusual melody]] begins playing on wireless radio, however only four people can hear it; Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Cheif [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering it's mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the final five. The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven, as Col. Tigh in particular has been alive for over 60 years and is a well documented veteran of the first [[Cylon War]], at a time when the humanoid Cylons known to mankind supposedly did not exist.

The identity of the last remaining Cylon is presently unknown ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

===Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god===

*The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], long before the Cylons existed. The [[Thirteenth Tribe]] would, logically, have no knowledge of these automatons in the strictest sense. However, the Thirteenth Tribe has significant prophetic insight, as shown in the works of [[Pythia]]. According to Colonial scriptures, "Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken". This may have been another Lord of Kobol, given that on a deleted scene [[Elosha]] noted that the fall of [[Kobol]] and its civilization was due in part to a "jealous god".

*On [[New Caprica]], D'Anna/Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.

*With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol.

===The Eye of Jupiter and Kara Thrace===

*The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that "doodled" a circular image as a child with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, "[[Valley of Darkness]]"), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophesy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an unexplained "destiny" ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

===Illusion or Truth===

*The threes hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.

*Later, in dream visions of the opera house shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear.

*As the Temple of Five was apparently built for human usage, the Temple may have only allowed the transitional visions that the Threes see to be more persistent and clear. It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not D'Anna/Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the "chosen one". The human association and significance of the five priests, the god they worshiped, and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.

==Notes==

* The podcast for "[[Rapture]]" confirms that the final five Cylons have not been [[boxing|boxed]]<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}</ref>.
* During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

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Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Season 3 Guide

2007-03-24T16:15:02Z

Moo:

{|
|-
! class="infoboxheader" | Episode #
! class="infoboxheader" | Title
! class="infoboxheader" | Airdate
! class="infoboxheader" | Screenshot

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 01
| [[Occupation]] ([[Talk:Occupation|Talk]])'''
| October 6, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Number Three talking.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' It's been four months since the [[Cylons (RDM) |Cylons]] occupied the human settlement of [[New Caprica]], and ''[[Galactica]],'' ''[[Pegasus]]'', and a handful of ships jumped to safety. On New Caprica, a resistance has begun to challenge the Cylons. Aboard Galactica, [[Admiral Adama]] struggles with plans for a rescue, having only a handful of untested pilots at his command, understaffed ships, and facing a nearly impossible task.
'''Quote''' "''It's gonna be okay. It's really gonna be okay.''" -- Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]]

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 02
| [[Precipice]] ([[Talk:Precipice|Talk]])'''
| October 6, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - C-Number Eight, Adama, Helo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' After the suicide bombing, the [[Cylons (RDM) |Cylons]] institutes stricter controls on the human population on [[New Caprica]]. Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', plans for the rescue from New Caprica move forward now that communication with the resistance has been established.
'''Quote''' 
:'''[[Tom Zarek]]''': Laura.. That election last year. You tried to steal it, didn't you? 
:'''[[Laura Roslin]]''': Yes, Tom. I did. 
:'''Tom Zarek''': (laughs) Ah... I wish you'd gone through with it. 
:'''Laura Roslin''': So do I. 
|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 03
| [[Exodus, Part I]] ([[Talk:Exodus, Part I|Talk]])'''
| October 13, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Roslinanders-Exodus.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' The [[Cylons]] have begun the brutal crackdown on [[New Caprica]]'s [[Resistance]] movement. Tyrol receives disturbing news from a secret source within Baltar's administration while Colonial detainees face a Cylon firing squad on New Caprica. With time running out for the colonists, Admiral Adama will launch his rescue attempt with only the battlestar [[Galactica]], while his son, Lee, and the battlestar [[Pegasus]] remain to protect what is left of the human fleet and continue the search for Earth if the rescue fails.
'''Quote''' ''"Their enemies will divide them, their colonies broken in the firey chasm of space. The shining days renounced by a multitude of dark sacrifices. Yet still they will remain. Always together."'' -- [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 04
| [[Exodus, Part II]] ([[Talk:Exodus, Part II|Talk]])'''
| October 20, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:TighAdamaReunion.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' Commander [[Lee Adama]] of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)| Pegasus]]'' has serious doubts about the success of the [[New Caprica]] rescue mission by ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. On New Caprica, [[Saul Tigh]] decides the consequences for his [[Ellen Tigh |wife's]] betrayal of [[The Resistance | the Resistance]]. Aboard ''Galactica'', Admiral [[William Adama]] executes a dramatic rescue plan.
'''Quote''' 
:'''Admiral [[William Adama]]:''' You did it, Saul. You brought them back. 
:'''Col. [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]]:''' [[Ellen Tigh|Not all of them]]. 
|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 05
| [[Collaborators]] ([[Talk:Collaborators|Talk]])'''
| October 27, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:JammerCollaborators.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' [[The Circle]], a secret tribunal on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', decides the fate of [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and other Colonials who aided the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] during the occupation of [[New Caprica]].
'''Quote''' 
:'''[[Number Six]]:''' Don't make me angry, Gaius. 
:'''Admiral [[William Adama]]:''' You wouldn't like her when she's angry. 
|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 06
| [[Torn]] ([[Talk:Torn|Talk]])'''
| November 3, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 5 - StarbuckTighAdama.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] create divisions between those who suffered under the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]] and those who stayed with the fleet. Meanwhile, [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] tries to prove his worth to the Cylons.
'''Quote''' "''Mists of dreams drip along the nascent echo, and love no more. End of line.''" -- [[Hybrid|The Baseship Hybrid]]

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 07
| [[A Measure of Salvation]] ([[Talk:A Measure of Salvation|Talk]])'''
| November 10, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Amos.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learn how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries. The virus inspires Lee Adama to come up with a new strategy.
'''Quote''' 
:'''[[Karl Agathon]]''': Genocide? So that's what we're about now?
:'''[[Lee Adama]]''': [[Cylons (RDM)|They're]] not human! They were built, not born. No fathers, no mothers, no sons, no daughters--
:'''Karl Agathon''': I ''had'' [[Hera|a daughter]]. I held her in my arms.

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 08
| [[Hero]] ([[Talk:Hero|Talk]])'''
| November 17, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Hero -Adama Tigh and Novacek.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' A [[Daniel Novacek|figure]] from [[William Adama|Adama]]'s past returns to haunt him. His return raises questions about why the Cylons launched their initial attack against the [[Twelve Colonies]].
'''Quote''' "''There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death.''" - [[Number Three]]

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 09
| [[Unfinished Business]] ([[Talk:Unfinished Business|Talk]])'''
| December 1, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Unfinished Business - Lee and Helo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' Admiral Adama re-institutes a military tradition onboard Colonial warships, in which crewmembers disregard rank and fight each other in a boxing ring to relieve tensions aboard ship—tensions which have existed since ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' discovered [[New Caprica]].
'''Quote''' "''When you step on this deck, you be ready to fight, or you dishonor the reason why we're here. Now remember this; When you fight a man, he's not your friend. Same goes when you lead men. I forgot that once. I let you get too close, all of you. I dropped my guard. I gave some of you breaks, let some of you go, before the fight was really over. I let this crew and this family disband, and we paid the price in lives. That can't happen again.''" -- [[William Adama|Admiral William Adama]]

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 10
| [[The Passage]] ([[Talk:The Passage|Talk]])'''
| December 8, 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - The Passage - Kat.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' Starvation threatens the population after the food-processing systems become contaminated, but the Fleet is cut off from a food source by the intense radiation put out by a huge star cluster. ''Galactica''’s pilots must guide the civilian vessels on a dangerous journey directly through the radiation.
'''Quote''' 
:'''[[William Adama]]''': I hear they're still eating paper. Is that true?
:'''[[Saul Tigh]]''': No. Paper shortage
|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 11
| [[The Eye of Jupiter]] ([[Talk:The Eye of Jupiter|Talk]])'''
| December 15,2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:S3-eyeofjupiter.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' The possible discovery of the [[Eye of Jupiter]] on the [[Algae planet|algae planet]] leads to a deadly stand-off, as the Cylons and humans risk all for a chance to find the way to [[Earth]]. 
'''Quote''' 
:'''[[William Adama]]''': Put it through speaker. This is Admiral Adama.
:'''[[Gaius Baltar]]''': Admiral. I can't tell you what a genuine pleasure it is to hear your voice. This is Gaius Baltar.
|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 12
| [[Rapture]] ([[Talk:Rapture|Talk]])'''
| January 21, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Final Five.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' With an impending supernova, the Colonials and Cylons see their time running out as they endeavor to unlock the secrets of the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. Meanwhile, [[Number Three]] executes her plan to know the faces of the [[Final Five]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] tries to get [[Hera|her daughter]] back.
'''Quote''' "''This is my destiny. To see what lies between life and death.''" -- [[Number Three]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 13
| [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] ([[Talk:Taking a Break From All Your Worries|Talk]])'''
| January 28, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:3x13-Taking a Break From All Your Worries-Apollo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' Baltar is rigorously questioned about his past and what the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] know about [[Earth]]. Meanwhile, both [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Lee Adama]] struggle with their feelings for one another and are forced to make a decision about their respective marriages.
'''Quote''' "''Just wondered if you recognized even one of these faces? Did any image get through to you on the rare occasion when you ventured out from behind your sandbags and your razor wires to see what was happening to your people?! YOUR PEOPLE! I need to know. NOW!''" -- [[Laura Roslin|President Laura Roslin]]
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| [[The Woman King]] ([[Talk:The Woman King |Talk]])'''
| February 11, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:TWK-1.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' [[Helo]] investigates the claims of Sagittarons that a doctor is discriminating against them by providing substandard medical care.
'''Quote''' "''Listen to me, Baltar will get his trial, and this is what you'll get: a hurricane. The media will descend upon you and watch, and scrutinze, and question your every move. You will have sectarian violence, you will have assassination attempts, you will have civil unrest on a scale we've never seen. Work, labor, everyday routine in this fleet will come to a complete halt. This trial is going to bring down this entire fleet down.''" -- [[Tom Zarek]]
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| height="10" align="center" | 15
| [[A Day in the Life]] ([[Talk:A Day in the Life |Talk]])'''
| February 18, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:3x15-AdamaAndWife-cropped.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' [[William Adama|Adama]] faces the memory of his late wife and their marriage as he marks his wedding anniversary. Meanwhile Cally and Galen Tyrol are trapped in a depressurizing airlock with no way to leave it, and President Roslin is pushing ahead with Baltar's trial.
'''Quote''' 
:'''[[Helo]]''': "What's the matter with you?"
:'''[[Hot Dog]]''': "Sorry, I've got the weirdest rash."
:'''Helo''': "Really? I hope she was worth it buddy!"

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| height="10" align="center" | 16
| [[Dirty Hands]] ([[Talk:Dirty Hands|Talk]])'''
| February 25, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:3x16-DirtyHands-TyrolSelix.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''Amidst unsafe and harsh conditions in the maintenance and production areas of the Fleet, as well [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s [[My Triumphs, My Mistakes|personal diatribe]] stirring feelings of dissent amongst the working class, Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] must wrestle whether or not to resurrect the worker's union he began on [[New Caprica]].''
'''Quote''' ''"Oh yes, I left [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Aerelon|Aerelon]] after my eighteenth birthday, I turned my back on my family, my heritage, all of them, of course it doesn't matter though, [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|they're all dead now]]..."'' -- [[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Gaius Baltar]]

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 17
| [[Maelstrom]] ([[Talk:Maelstrom|Talk]])'''
| March 4, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:3X17-Maelstrom-LeobenStarbuck.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''[[Kara Thrace]]'s past comes back to haunt her when [[William Adama|Adama]] has doubts about her fitness for duty.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

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| height="10" align="center" | 18
| [[The Son Also Rises]] ([[Talk:The Son Also Rises|Talk]])'''
| March 11, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:3x18-TheSonAlsoRises-ApolloBaltarLampkin.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''With [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial merely two weeks away, [[Lee Adama]] is tasked with protecting [[Romo Lampkin]], Baltar's second lawyer, and finds himself going up against [[William Adama|his own father]], who himself is appointed as one of the five judges in Baltar's trial.''
'''Quote''' "''I was born for this. That, and the fact I have a pulse.''" -- '''[[Romo Lampkin|Lampkin]]'''

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 19
| [[Crossroads, Part I]] ([[Talk:Crossroads, Part I|Talk]])'''
| March 18, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:3x19-CrossroadsPartI-TrialJudges.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''Baltar's trial commences, with the prosecution presenting evidence of treason committed on [[New Caprica]] amid controversial testimonies from Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and President Roslin.''
'''Quote''' 
:'' [ The showdown of the Adamas ]'' 
: '''[[Lee Adama]]''': I refuse to serve under someone that questions my integrity.
: '''[[William Adama]]''': And I refuse to have an officer serve under me that has none.

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| height="10" align="center" | 20
| [[Crossroads, Part II]] ([[Talk:Crossroads, Part II|Talk]])'''
| March 25, 2007
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:3x20-CrossroadsPartII-BaltarSixHera.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' See Episode Guide Page.
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A


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User talk:Dharkael

2007-03-24T14:19:53Z

Moo: New page: {{subst:welcome|Dharkael}}--~~~~

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Number One

2007-03-23T01:55:41Z

Moo: /* ''Galactica'' Copy */ removed the extra "humanoid" in "implies that the humanoid Humanoid Cylons came into existance[...]"

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'''Cavil''' is a [[Humanoid Cylon]] who, prior to being discovered, posed as a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Clergy|Brother]], a member of the Colonial lay clergy.

While other Humanoid Cylons have a number associated with their model, such as [[Number Six]] and [[Number Three]], the number designation for the Cavil model is currently unknown.

==''Galactica'' Copy==

On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', the first viewed copy of Brother Cavil provides counsel for [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] after Tyrol's maddened attack against [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]. Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from the fear that he could be a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]]. This Cavil seems to be personally very familiar with Tyrol and is apparently aware that Henderson harbors romantic feelings for him ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). (Later analysis of Cavil's nature, from behavior in season 3 episodes, suggests that Cavil's comments were aimed to incite torment in Tyrol.)

A somewhat eccentric figure, Cavil is a surprisingly harsh critic of prayer for a Brother, but claims to have been preaching "longer than you [Tyrol] have been sucking down oxygen" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). This interesting claim, if true, implies that the [[Humanoid Cylon]]s came into existence no later than approximately ten years after the end of the [[First Cylon War]] (assuming that Tyrol is approximately 30 years old). Cavil's remark, based on aired information and his true nature, is unlikely.

Despite his cynicism, Cavil prays with [[Laura Roslin]] for her re-election to the presidency to be successful. When Tyrol deduces the Caprica copy of him as a Cylon, Cavil is thrown in the brig along with his copy. He is later ejected through an airlock along with his copy (deleted scene). Due to the loss of the [[Resurrection Ship]], his death is presumed to be final ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

==Caprica Copy==
[[Image:Cyca2.jpg|left|thumb|Caprican Cavil]]
A second copy of this model emerges from the crew of resistance members rescued by the Caprica [[SAR]] team, telling them that the Cylons had left the Colonies. What he does not tell them — until Tyrol blew his cover upon his arrival at ''Galactica'' — is that he is a Cylon.

Due to this copy's discovery, the Fleet copy is arrested as well and thrown in ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'''s brig. Laura Roslin orders them ejected into space after Caprica-Cavil informs her and Admiral Adama that the Cylons had made two mistakes: the attack on the Colonies and the pursuit of [[the Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). Due to the loss of the Resurrection Ship, his death is presumed to be final. Though their execution was not shown, a later conversation indicated that they were executed ([[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II, deleted scene]]).

Like his Fleet counterpart, the Caprica copy also expresses doubt in the active involvement of divine forces in the real world, although he focuses his contempt on the Cylon religion. He says that "There is no [[God]]", something that the Cavils have been telling the other Cylons for years, though he acknowledges that God's existence or nonexistence can't actually be proven. Based on his conversation with the Fleet copy, this viewpoint appears to be shared between at least these two copies, and possibly across the entire model.

==New Caprica Copies==
[[Image:Cavz.jpg|thumb|right|A Cavil on New Caprica]]

At least two copies of Cavil are present in the invasion fleet on New Caprica, as seen in "[[Occupation]]" and "[[Precipice]]." They have some authority over humans in detainment, as [[Ellen Tigh]] is able to use sexual favors to bribe another into releasing [[Saul Tigh]]. This may have been a self-serving ruse, because after a second sexual encounter, Cavil says to her of Saul, "When's his next meeting with the insurgents?" and "We know he's their leader - why do you think we let him out of detention?" Ellen replies, "I thought it was because of the 'twist'", referring to a sex act, and Cavil says, "Oh, yes, that too."

Two copies are also involved in the Cylon leaders' discussions such as whether to kill [[Gaius Baltar]].

Another copy also acts as a type of liaison between the [[New Caprica Police|NCP]] and their Cylon masters. He gives [[Jammer]] the list of Colonials to detain, and later accompanies the NCP to the site of a mass execution of Colonial Detainees ([[Occupation]]).

The NCP liaison version is critically wounded during an attack by the Resistance movement. Cavil is left with a bullet wound to the stomach and is left to die after the detainees are liberated. Cavil resorts to suicide by severing his [[w:carotid artery|carotid artery]] with a spent casing. He [[Resurrection (RDM)|downloads]] into a new body for the third time; an experience that, as he explains, is similar to having a white hot poker slammed through his skull ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

Shortly before her death, [[Ellen Tigh]] descibes the Cavil copy she seduced as the one "in charge" of the Detention Facility ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

==Basestar Command Copies==
[[Image:CavHap2.jpg|thumb||left|Cylon Diplomat]]
After the Cylon fleet arrives at the [[algae planet]], a Cylon negotiation team negotiates a meeting on ''Galactica'', which consists of [[Gaius Baltar]], [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], a [[Number Three]], and a Cavil copy. Cavil ad-libs during the discussion, personally suggesting that the Cylons will hand over Baltar to the Colonials as part of the negotiation ("to sweeten the pot").

Later, a Cavil (likely the same one) argues that they should destroy ''Galactica'' now and be rid of them for good. He thinks it does not matter if the Cylons find [[Earth]] in five days or five thousand years, saying that they can last forever, whereas the Colonials can't. He then determines Admiral Adama's claim that he will nuke the temple is a bluff even as ''Galactica'' preps its missile launchers ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
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==Analysis==
The Cavils appear to be very radical thinkers, and demonstrate a unity among the model not seen in any other. Copies appear to have a well-developed sense of sardonic humor and are given to making jokes in even the most awkward, dangerous, and heightened circumstances ("[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", "[[Occupation]]", "[[Precipice]]"). They seem to have discovered many revelations that [[Caprica-Six]] realized through her "virtual" Baltar ([[Downloaded]]). Judging by this, the Cavil copies were probably among the first to flock to Caprica-Six's banner.

In "[[Occupation]]" and "[[Precipice]]", the Cavils are the most ''outwardly'' ruthless and cruel to humans. The Cavils are [[w:sadism|sadistic]], appearing to take pleasure (or at least a noticeable level of amusement) in their own acts of psychological and physical cruelty. The Cavils like toying with the idea of liquidating the human population on New Caprica as a solution to the Resistance, to "Perhaps a more manageable number. Say, less than a thousand."

Viewers can infer (correctly or not) from the New Caprica detention scene between a Cavil and [[Saul Tigh]] that a Cavil is significantly involved in the brutal, months-long interrogation (in response to Tigh's attacks against the Cylons. In conversation with the other Cylons, Cavils are vocal and callous proponents of harsh measures against the [[New Caprica Resistance]] and are strong advocates of mass executions.

It is ironic that the first two known copies of this apparently atheistic or agnostic model pose as lay clergy. This may be an intentional mockery of religion on their part, or a mockery of the Cavils by whomever assigned them their roles as infiltrators.

With the Cylons apparently occupying [[New Caprica]] at the end of the [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|episode]], it appears that the Cavils on ''Galactica'' are either lying about the Cylon change of heart or the Cylon plans changed after the second Cavil was captured on ''Galactica''.

In "[[Exodus, Part I]]", it is learned that at least one Cavil unit, the leader of the execution squad intercepted by the Resistance and who died there (his third death), experienced increasing head pain with each resurrection.

==Notes==

*Despite waging constant attacks against the Cylons for nine months, the [[Caprica Resistance]] seemingly had never before encountered a Cavil model prior to their rescue.

*The word ''cavil'' is a noun and verb involving an irrelevant or trivial point made during an argument or discussion; synonyms include ''quibble'' and ''carp.'' ([http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cavil Dictionary Reference])

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Laura Roslin

2007-03-20T21:02:05Z

Moo: /* Notes */ -I'm so noob... I put a colon instead of a comma!

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'''Laura Roslin''' is an unmarried<ref name="marital">According to the February issue of ''Sci Fi Magazine'', actress Mary McDonnell indicates that, according to the [[series bible]], Roslin has dated, but has never married. (Scans available on [http://www.livejournal.com/users/reedfem/158883.html Ramblings of a dorkish nature])</ref> woman with some 20 years of political experience. She serves as Secretary of Education for the Colonial [[Government]] at the time of the Cylon attack, later becoming president of the Twelve Colonies after the Cylon attack.
 

== Background ==
*Roslin, a former teacher, worked with [[Richard Adar]] when he was a mayor. Over the years, she herself has risen in political rank to the office of Secretary of Education.
*Adar, a married man, and Roslin are in a sexual affair<ref name="marital2>According to a December 2005 [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Archives/dec05.html interview] with Mary McDonnell in TV Guide, President Adar, a married man, was having an affair with Roslin in the twilight of his term.</ref> during the events of a teachers strike that she is trying to mediate, to Adar's objection.
*Roslin learns that she, as did her mother, has breast cancer. Unfortunately, the diagnosis is grim, as the cancer has already spread.
*Roslin sat in the Government Plaza after her doctor's appointment, where she saw [[Gaius Baltar]], the famous scientist, walking and kissing an attractive blonde, but pays it little attention.
*Roslin successfully resolves the teachers strike crisis, but Adar vehemently disagrees with her method, and asks for her resignation. She asks him to defer the matter until she returns from the decommissioning ceremonies on battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.
*Despite being thrust into the role of President in highly unusual and stressful circumstances, Laura Roslin initially proves herself both tough and capable within the role. Initially in awe of Commander Adama, and worrying that he didn't hold her in high regard ([[Water]]), she quickly overcomes her doubts and fears to be able to make the required decisions at the right time, and also stand up to Adama himself ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). She is always prepared to put the safety and destiny of the Fleet first, no matter what the cost of her actions ("[[Flesh and Bone]]," "[[Home, Part I]]," "[[Home, Part II]]," "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") while remembering her limitations and fears.

==Character History at a Glance==

*Roslin is aboard the Colonial government cruiser ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'', having just attended the decommissioning ceremonies for the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'', when the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|information on the Cylon attack]] leaks through [[wireless]].
*Roslin attempts to serve as the government's representative to aid the ship's pilot in gaining more information. She manages to speak with [[Jack|one fellow official]] over wireless and hears the devastating news.
*The [[Case Orange]] automated beacon response assigns Roslin the role of President after Adar and other high-level government officials are dead or incapacitated.
*In the immediate aftermath of the attack, Roslin undertakes a rescue mission, using the now-renamed ''[[Colonial One]]'' to round-up all vessels that escape destruction and gathers as many survivors as possible together, hoping to save the remnants of humanity from total annihilation.
*Roslin successfully persuades ''Galactica'' commander [[William Adama]] away from his original intention of mounting a counter-attack against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], and towards helping the new civilan fleet make its escape from occupied Colonial space.
*Since the exodus, Roslin establishes a fledgling civilian [[government]] within the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], agrees to abide by civil law regarding her interim term of office, and reestabishes a new [[Quorum of Twelve]].
*Roslin and Commander Adama begin their leadership together under an uneasy understanding. Where she is responsible for all civil leadership issues among the surviving Colonials, Adama is responsible for all military decisions ([[Miniseries]]). However, the dividing line is not always clear between the two leaders.
*Roslin chooses [[chamalla]] extract as an alternative to [[diloxin]], remembering her mother's malaise with that treatment.
* Her illness remains a secret until she relates her Chamalla-induced visions of [[Kobol]] to priest [[Elosha]], who recognizes them as those prophesized by [[Pythia]], where a dying leader will find the path to [[Earth]]. After research, she determines that she may be able to substantiate Commander Adama's fictitious knowledge of the location of Earth with a true bearing to the world using ancient Colonial history.
*Roslin convinces [[Kara Thrace|Lt. Thrace]] to use the captured Cylon Raider to return to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in search of the [[Arrow of Apollo]].
*Infuriated with Roslin's countermanding and with her refusal to resign as President, Commander Adama terminates her Presidency and stages a military coup. Despite the intervention of [[Lee Adama]], Roslin is arrested and incarcerated aboard ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). With Vice President Baltar missing on the surface of Kobol, this effectively leaves the Fleet without any form of civil leadership, a situation worsened by an assassination attempt on William Adama himself immediately following Roslin's arrest ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
*From her cell, Roslin eventually tells the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]], many of whom are [[Gemenon]], of her role in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], and begins to gain significant underground civilian support for her cause.
*Roslin escapes ''Galactica'' and, with the help of rival [[Tom Zarek]], convinces over a third of the fleet to [[Laura Roslin faction|join her in the search for the Tomb]]. Roslin's ability to lead and command becomes stronger throughout this time, able to keep Zarek's ambitions at bay and deliver decisions faster than before.
*With the recovered Arrow, Roslin heads an hazardous expedition on Kobol to find the Tomb, with the aid of a second copy of [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon Valerii]] and priest Elosha.
*The recovered Commander Adama gains refreshed insight on the need for the Fleet to stay united, and leaves to find Roslin's expedition on the surface of Kobol ([[Home, Part II]]).
*During the Kobol expedition, [[Elosha]] is killed. Roslin takes Elosha's blood-spattered copy of the Sacred Scrolls to guide her and to remember her friend.
*Commander Adama greets Roslin warmly on his arrival at her camp on Kobol. The two leaders have a heart-to-heart talk about her rebellion, which Adama forgives. Roslin thanks Adama, calling him "Bill" casually, though she notes that she didn't require permission for what she had to do. Roslin worries that, with talk of the [[Caprica Resistance]], that her insistence to Adama to leave the Colonial worlds behind was a mistake. Adama, also calling Roslin by her first name, firmly chastises her, reminding Roslin that her decision was correct. If he had chosen to stay, Adama, his son, and all of humanity would be dead.
*Adama and Roslin's party later find the Tomb. With some teamwork, they discover and activate the Tomb's virtual hologram mechanism. Roslin's gamble on faith pays off big for humanity, and the group gains a map and guide to the true location of Earth.
*Back on ''Galactica'', Commander Adama introduces Roslin as President during a speech on the ship, and leads the audience in a rousing ovation on her return, publicly burying the hatchet between them.
*Adama and Roslin's respect for each other grew stronger and their leadership in managing fleet business became more cooperative, asking each other for advice and correcting each other as needed. They work together in getting reporter [[D'anna Biers]] corralled from her potentially disruptive tabloid expose' of the ''[[Gideon]]'' shootings by giving her almost-unlimited access to interview ''Galactica's'' crew. She creates a rousing documentary that meets her and Adama's approval ([[Final Cut]]).
*The military crew honors Roslin by christening a [[Blackbird|new experimental stealth fighter]] by the name, ''Laura'', a gesture that brings tears to the President.
*Despite the pleasure of the arrival of battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Roslin becomes concerned about Cain's abrupt command style and refusal to supply the civilian fleet.
*After a near-disastrous military confrontation between the two battlestar commanders, Roslin chastises them both and tells them to concentrate on [[Resurrection Ship|more important matters]]. Privately, Roslin tells Adama that Cain, whose power can radically affect the remnant of humanity both Roslin and Adama have strived so hard to protect, must be killed if Adama and the Fleet are to survive.
[[Image:Roslinadama.jpg|Roslin and Adama.|thumb]]
*After the battle, and Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain's death]], Roslin, now more frail with her illness, promotes William Adama to Admiral. The new admiral gives the president a kiss, establishing a more personal aspect to their friendship.
*Roslin is miraculously saved by the injection of stem cells<ref>In the commentary track for "Epiphanies," Ron Moore states that a longer explanation of Roslin's cure was filmed that explained that the blood's stem cells cure Roslin. However, the scene was cut because he was afraid it would be too complicated and thought of as [[technobabble]]. The character's updated biography on the official Scifi.com site does confirm that stem cells from the hybrid were the actual cure. As such, Battlestar Wiki treats this data canonically as with information found in most deleted scenes.</ref> from the Cylon [[Hera|hybrid fetus]], which apparently eradicates her cancer ([[Epiphanies]]). In the hours prior to the cure, however, Roslin remembers her last days on Caprica, including the attractive blonde with Dr. Baltar, her vice-president. She now recognizes the woman as a copy of a [[Number Six|Humanoid Cylon]].
*Roslin confronts Baltar on his association and later confesses the memory to William Adama ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*Roslin returns to work with a dispassionate, zealous manner not unlike her predecessor, Richard Adar, including an attempt to stop the [[Black market (organization)|black market]] , handling the terrible loss of [[Billy Keikeya]], and the upcoming presidential election.
*Roslin's appoints a new aide, [[Tory Foster]], who is an energetic young woman with a great deal of political drive.
*Complicating what may have been an easy re-election include Roslin's decision to enforce a no-abortion law to aid in repopulation while allowing a Gemenese girl [[Rya Kibby]] to have an abortion, angering Gemenon representative [[Sarah Porter]] and losing most support from Roslin's religious base.
*Expecting [[Tom Zarek]] to run for president, Roslin is shocked when her own vice president, Dr. Baltar, challenges Roslin for the presidency.
*Convinced that that the only way to keep the newborn Cylon-hybrid, [[Hera]], alive but out of the eye of Humanoid Cylons, Roslin has the infant's death faked and hands the child over to a foster mother named [[Maya]] ([[Downloaded]]).
*Roslin easily leads Baltar in the election polls, but with the discovery of a habitable planet dubbed "[[New Caprica]]", Baltar finds the perfect wedge issue to use against Roslin. Despite the extreme difficulties of colonization, the people of the Fleet vote their extreme hopes over their rational fears and Roslin's voice of reason.
*Roslin gives Foster tacit approval to rig the election in order to save the Fleet from electing someone that she knows (in her heart) is a Cylon conspirator. But the fraud is discovered. Admiral Adama confers with Roslin and convinces her that rigging a democratic election was a line that they simply cannot cross. He indicates that the people have made the wrong decision to elect Baltar president, probably even a disastrous choice, but it was their choice.
*Roslin agrees to back down, and Adama announces a mistake in the vote count. A perturbed Baltar doesn't press further, content with having won the election, and orders colonization of New Caprica immediately after his swearing-in.
*Early in the colonization, Roslin finds time to relax on New Caprica. She meets with Admiral Adama, who also takes in some time to unwind. The two friends comfortably chat about matters small and not-so-small over [[New Caprican loco weed|smoking]] and drinking, and later gaze at the stars together, allowing themselves to relax, lying outside, close to each other. Roslin worries that, amidst their temporary comfort, the Cylons could return, but it is nice to have what they have for the time being ([[Unfinished Business]]).

[[Image:2BATgyC05.jpg|Roslin as a teacher on New Caprica.|thumb]]
*A year passes on New Caprica, and Baltar's administration becomes the unmitigated, incompetent disaster that Roslin had feared. Meanwhile, Roslin returns to her old love of teaching, running the new settlement's school. Assisted by [[Maya]], who brings her infant adopted daughter [[Hera|Isis]] (the secreted Cylon hybrid), Roslin is more comfortable watching over the pair personally.
*On the 380th day after settling on the planet, the Cylons discover the colony, as Roslin had warned, and occupy the settlement ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*Roslin is questioned by [[Gaius Baltar]] and asked to publicly denounce the Resistance suicide bombings, but failing that, has her released. She is later collected in the round up of 200 suspected resistance members, including [[Tom Zarek]] and [[Cally Tyrol]], for execution ([[Precipice]]).
*After being saved by the resistance, she assigns [[Samuel Anders]] to protect Maya and Isis ([[Exodus, Part I]]).
*Later, during the [[Battle of New Caprica]], she evacuates the planet aboard ''Colonial One'' which reunites with the Fleet along with the other previously grounded ships ([[Exodus, Part II]]).
*After the Fleet reunites after the escape from [[New Caprica]], [[Gaius Baltar]] is officially deposed and as the Vice President, [[Tom Zarek]] becomes President. He only briefly holds the office; under pressure from Admiral Adama, Zarek agrees to step aside from the Presidency. Roslin is named as his Vice President, and Zarek steps down to return Roslin as President. However, as part of the deal, Roslin tells Zarek that he can have the Vice Presidency. She is later sworn in after all of the official gestures have been made, and she issues a general pardon to everyone in the Fleet in response to the quiet executions of some of the people who collaborated with the [[Cylons]], and to prevent the Fleet from being torn apart by long trials ([[Collaborators]]).

*Roslin and Adama work well together in managing Fleet morale, analyzing new data that helps guide the Fleet on the way to Earth ("[[Torn]]," "[[A Measure of Salvation]]") and handling a serious food shortage ([[The Passage]]). When the Fleet discovers the [[Temple of Five]] on the [[algae planet]], Roslin dives into the analysis of the structure and its scripture background. Roslin's relationship with Adama is strained when Adama discovers that Roslin hid the Cylon baby, [[Hera]], without his knowledge. Infuriated, he leaves Roslin after she admits the situation, without leaving her a chance to explain ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).

Roslin's past actions to protect [[Hera Agathon]] come to a head when the Agathons choose to rescue their daughter by killing Sharon to force her to [[Resurrection (RDM)|download to the Cylon ships]]. When Roslin attempts to chastise [[Karl Agathon]] for putting Sharon in the hands of the Cylons (and her knowledge of Colonial tactics and procedures with her), Helo angrily replies that, if Roslin had not faked Hera's death and hid her from them, this situation would not have existed. Roslin accepts culpability with visible distress.

After Gaius Baltar is captured, Roslin's desire for answers about his involvement with the Cylons "infects" several others, including Tigh and Admiral Adama. Roslin initially orders that Baltar is forced to stay awake as a form of coersion, which Baltar counters by a hunger strike and later, a suicide attempt. The Fleet leadership applies a version of "[[w:Good cop/Bad cop|Good cop-Bad cop]]" with Baltar, where Roslin assumes both roles. She first calmly speaking to Baltar and asking specific questions about his time with the Cylons and his role as a traitorous president. Moments later, in a manner very uncharacteristic of Roslin, she loudly interrogates Baltar and yells for Colonel Tigh and his marines to carry Baltar to an airlock in a ruse to force him to talk. Baltar calls the bluff, however. Roslin appears ecstatic to learn that Adama has a [[interrogation drug]] that may force Baltar to tell more. This interrogation has mixed results that reveal more questions than answers, including Baltar's belief that he was a Cylon himself ([[Taking A Break From All Your Worries]]).

==Notes==

*The character of Laura Roslin is unique to the ''Battlestar Galactica'' saga. She has no counterpart to the [[Original Series]], where its version of President [[Adar (TOS)|Adar]] is killed and a presidential replacement is never made. Roslin assumes more of the political-spiritual leadership of the [[Adama (TOS)|Original Series' Commander Adama]], whereas [[William Adama]] is representative of the Original Series' character's military commander aspect.

*Roslin's apparent cure in "[[Epiphanies]]" contradicts the "dying leader" clause of the [[Pythia|Pythian Prophecy]], despite the fulfillment of her role in the [[Tomb of Athena]] story arc. Indications from the creators of the show suggest that Roslin's health trials may not yet be over. In [[Crossroads, Part I]], she claims that she has cancer again.

*Actress Mary McDonnell is perhaps best known for her role in the epic film, ''Dances with Wolves'', with Kevin Costner. Another famous role of hers was the First Lady in ''[[w:Independence Day (film)|Independence Day]]'', a film which (in a less serious tone than ''Battlestar'') depicts cocky human fighter pilots battling an genocidal enemy from outer space.

*In [[SDS|the Singer/DeSanto continuation]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the Original Series]], a female president named [[Mara]] would visit ''Galactica'' in much the same way that Laura Roslin did as part of that ''Galactica'''s decommissioning ceremony.

*The glasses that the character wears are also McDonnell's real glasses.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&vid=37452|title=Mary McDonnell Q & A, Part 1|date=2006-10-13|accessdate=2006-10-14|last=|first=|format=VID|language=English}}</ref>

*President Roslin's appointment as Colonial president parallels US President [[w:Gerald Ford|Gerald R. Ford]], who became US Vice President and later President through succession or appointment, not by election.

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Moo: /* Notes */ - added "cancer claim" from Crossroads: Part I

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'''Laura Roslin''' is an unmarried<ref name="marital">According to the February issue of ''Sci Fi Magazine'', actress Mary McDonnell indicates that, according to the [[series bible]], Roslin has dated, but has never married. (Scans available on [http://www.livejournal.com/users/reedfem/158883.html Ramblings of a dorkish nature])</ref> woman with some 20 years of political experience. She serves as Secretary of Education for the Colonial [[Government]] at the time of the Cylon attack, later becoming president of the Twelve Colonies after the Cylon attack.
 

== Background ==
*Roslin, a former teacher, worked with [[Richard Adar]] when he was a mayor. Over the years, she herself has risen in political rank to the office of Secretary of Education.
*Adar, a married man, and Roslin are in a sexual affair<ref name="marital2>According to a December 2005 [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Archives/dec05.html interview] with Mary McDonnell in TV Guide, President Adar, a married man, was having an affair with Roslin in the twilight of his term.</ref> during the events of a teachers strike that she is trying to mediate, to Adar's objection.
*Roslin learns that she, as did her mother, has breast cancer. Unfortunately, the diagnosis is grim, as the cancer has already spread.
*Roslin sat in the Government Plaza after her doctor's appointment, where she saw [[Gaius Baltar]], the famous scientist, walking and kissing an attractive blonde, but pays it little attention.
*Roslin successfully resolves the teachers strike crisis, but Adar vehemently disagrees with her method, and asks for her resignation. She asks him to defer the matter until she returns from the decommissioning ceremonies on battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.
*Despite being thrust into the role of President in highly unusual and stressful circumstances, Laura Roslin initially proves herself both tough and capable within the role. Initially in awe of Commander Adama, and worrying that he didn't hold her in high regard ([[Water]]), she quickly overcomes her doubts and fears to be able to make the required decisions at the right time, and also stand up to Adama himself ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). She is always prepared to put the safety and destiny of the Fleet first, no matter what the cost of her actions ("[[Flesh and Bone]]," "[[Home, Part I]]," "[[Home, Part II]]," "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") while remembering her limitations and fears.

==Character History at a Glance==

*Roslin is aboard the Colonial government cruiser ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'', having just attended the decommissioning ceremonies for the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'', when the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|information on the Cylon attack]] leaks through [[wireless]].
*Roslin attempts to serve as the government's representative to aid the ship's pilot in gaining more information. She manages to speak with [[Jack|one fellow official]] over wireless and hears the devastating news.
*The [[Case Orange]] automated beacon response assigns Roslin the role of President after Adar and other high-level government officials are dead or incapacitated.
*In the immediate aftermath of the attack, Roslin undertakes a rescue mission, using the now-renamed ''[[Colonial One]]'' to round-up all vessels that escape destruction and gathers as many survivors as possible together, hoping to save the remnants of humanity from total annihilation.
*Roslin successfully persuades ''Galactica'' commander [[William Adama]] away from his original intention of mounting a counter-attack against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], and towards helping the new civilan fleet make its escape from occupied Colonial space.
*Since the exodus, Roslin establishes a fledgling civilian [[government]] within the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], agrees to abide by civil law regarding her interim term of office, and reestabishes a new [[Quorum of Twelve]].
*Roslin and Commander Adama begin their leadership together under an uneasy understanding. Where she is responsible for all civil leadership issues among the surviving Colonials, Adama is responsible for all military decisions ([[Miniseries]]). However, the dividing line is not always clear between the two leaders.
*Roslin chooses [[chamalla]] extract as an alternative to [[diloxin]], remembering her mother's malaise with that treatment.
* Her illness remains a secret until she relates her Chamalla-induced visions of [[Kobol]] to priest [[Elosha]], who recognizes them as those prophesized by [[Pythia]], where a dying leader will find the path to [[Earth]]. After research, she determines that she may be able to substantiate Commander Adama's fictitious knowledge of the location of Earth with a true bearing to the world using ancient Colonial history.
*Roslin convinces [[Kara Thrace|Lt. Thrace]] to use the captured Cylon Raider to return to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in search of the [[Arrow of Apollo]].
*Infuriated with Roslin's countermanding and with her refusal to resign as President, Commander Adama terminates her Presidency and stages a military coup. Despite the intervention of [[Lee Adama]], Roslin is arrested and incarcerated aboard ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). With Vice President Baltar missing on the surface of Kobol, this effectively leaves the Fleet without any form of civil leadership, a situation worsened by an assassination attempt on William Adama himself immediately following Roslin's arrest ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
*From her cell, Roslin eventually tells the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]], many of whom are [[Gemenon]], of her role in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], and begins to gain significant underground civilian support for her cause.
*Roslin escapes ''Galactica'' and, with the help of rival [[Tom Zarek]], convinces over a third of the fleet to [[Laura Roslin faction|join her in the search for the Tomb]]. Roslin's ability to lead and command becomes stronger throughout this time, able to keep Zarek's ambitions at bay and deliver decisions faster than before.
*With the recovered Arrow, Roslin heads an hazardous expedition on Kobol to find the Tomb, with the aid of a second copy of [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon Valerii]] and priest Elosha.
*The recovered Commander Adama gains refreshed insight on the need for the Fleet to stay united, and leaves to find Roslin's expedition on the surface of Kobol ([[Home, Part II]]).
*During the Kobol expedition, [[Elosha]] is killed. Roslin takes Elosha's blood-spattered copy of the Sacred Scrolls to guide her and to remember her friend.
*Commander Adama greets Roslin warmly on his arrival at her camp on Kobol. The two leaders have a heart-to-heart talk about her rebellion, which Adama forgives. Roslin thanks Adama, calling him "Bill" casually, though she notes that she didn't require permission for what she had to do. Roslin worries that, with talk of the [[Caprica Resistance]], that her insistence to Adama to leave the Colonial worlds behind was a mistake. Adama, also calling Roslin by her first name, firmly chastises her, reminding Roslin that her decision was correct. If he had chosen to stay, Adama, his son, and all of humanity would be dead.
*Adama and Roslin's party later find the Tomb. With some teamwork, they discover and activate the Tomb's virtual hologram mechanism. Roslin's gamble on faith pays off big for humanity, and the group gains a map and guide to the true location of Earth.
*Back on ''Galactica'', Commander Adama introduces Roslin as President during a speech on the ship, and leads the audience in a rousing ovation on her return, publicly burying the hatchet between them.
*Adama and Roslin's respect for each other grew stronger and their leadership in managing fleet business became more cooperative, asking each other for advice and correcting each other as needed. They work together in getting reporter [[D'anna Biers]] corralled from her potentially disruptive tabloid expose' of the ''[[Gideon]]'' shootings by giving her almost-unlimited access to interview ''Galactica's'' crew. She creates a rousing documentary that meets her and Adama's approval ([[Final Cut]]).
*The military crew honors Roslin by christening a [[Blackbird|new experimental stealth fighter]] by the name, ''Laura'', a gesture that brings tears to the President.
*Despite the pleasure of the arrival of battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Roslin becomes concerned about Cain's abrupt command style and refusal to supply the civilian fleet.
*After a near-disastrous military confrontation between the two battlestar commanders, Roslin chastises them both and tells them to concentrate on [[Resurrection Ship|more important matters]]. Privately, Roslin tells Adama that Cain, whose power can radically affect the remnant of humanity both Roslin and Adama have strived so hard to protect, must be killed if Adama and the Fleet are to survive.
[[Image:Roslinadama.jpg|Roslin and Adama.|thumb]]
*After the battle, and Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain's death]], Roslin, now more frail with her illness, promotes William Adama to Admiral. The new admiral gives the president a kiss, establishing a more personal aspect to their friendship.
*Roslin is miraculously saved by the injection of stem cells<ref>In the commentary track for "Epiphanies," Ron Moore states that a longer explanation of Roslin's cure was filmed that explained that the blood's stem cells cure Roslin. However, the scene was cut because he was afraid it would be too complicated and thought of as [[technobabble]]. The character's updated biography on the official Scifi.com site does confirm that stem cells from the hybrid were the actual cure. As such, Battlestar Wiki treats this data canonically as with information found in most deleted scenes.</ref> from the Cylon [[Hera|hybrid fetus]], which apparently eradicates her cancer ([[Epiphanies]]). In the hours prior to the cure, however, Roslin remembers her last days on Caprica, including the attractive blonde with Dr. Baltar, her vice-president. She now recognizes the woman as a copy of a [[Number Six|Humanoid Cylon]].
*Roslin confronts Baltar on his association and later confesses the memory to William Adama ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*Roslin returns to work with a dispassionate, zealous manner not unlike her predecessor, Richard Adar, including an attempt to stop the [[Black market (organization)|black market]] , handling the terrible loss of [[Billy Keikeya]], and the upcoming presidential election.
*Roslin's appoints a new aide, [[Tory Foster]], who is an energetic young woman with a great deal of political drive.
*Complicating what may have been an easy re-election include Roslin's decision to enforce a no-abortion law to aid in repopulation while allowing a Gemenese girl [[Rya Kibby]] to have an abortion, angering Gemenon representative [[Sarah Porter]] and losing most support from Roslin's religious base.
*Expecting [[Tom Zarek]] to run for president, Roslin is shocked when her own vice president, Dr. Baltar, challenges Roslin for the presidency.
*Convinced that that the only way to keep the newborn Cylon-hybrid, [[Hera]], alive but out of the eye of Humanoid Cylons, Roslin has the infant's death faked and hands the child over to a foster mother named [[Maya]] ([[Downloaded]]).
*Roslin easily leads Baltar in the election polls, but with the discovery of a habitable planet dubbed "[[New Caprica]]", Baltar finds the perfect wedge issue to use against Roslin. Despite the extreme difficulties of colonization, the people of the Fleet vote their extreme hopes over their rational fears and Roslin's voice of reason.
*Roslin gives Foster tacit approval to rig the election in order to save the Fleet from electing someone that she knows (in her heart) is a Cylon conspirator. But the fraud is discovered. Admiral Adama confers with Roslin and convinces her that rigging a democratic election was a line that they simply cannot cross. He indicates that the people have made the wrong decision to elect Baltar president, probably even a disastrous choice, but it was their choice.
*Roslin agrees to back down, and Adama announces a mistake in the vote count. A perturbed Baltar doesn't press further, content with having won the election, and orders colonization of New Caprica immediately after his swearing-in.
*Early in the colonization, Roslin finds time to relax on New Caprica. She meets with Admiral Adama, who also takes in some time to unwind. The two friends comfortably chat about matters small and not-so-small over [[New Caprican loco weed|smoking]] and drinking, and later gaze at the stars together, allowing themselves to relax, lying outside, close to each other. Roslin worries that, amidst their temporary comfort, the Cylons could return, but it is nice to have what they have for the time being ([[Unfinished Business]]).

[[Image:2BATgyC05.jpg|Roslin as a teacher on New Caprica.|thumb]]
*A year passes on New Caprica, and Baltar's administration becomes the unmitigated, incompetent disaster that Roslin had feared. Meanwhile, Roslin returns to her old love of teaching, running the new settlement's school. Assisted by [[Maya]], who brings her infant adopted daughter [[Hera|Isis]] (the secreted Cylon hybrid), Roslin is more comfortable watching over the pair personally.
*On the 380th day after settling on the planet, the Cylons discover the colony, as Roslin had warned, and occupy the settlement ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*Roslin is questioned by [[Gaius Baltar]] and asked to publicly denounce the Resistance suicide bombings, but failing that, has her released. She is later collected in the round up of 200 suspected resistance members, including [[Tom Zarek]] and [[Cally Tyrol]], for execution ([[Precipice]]).
*After being saved by the resistance, she assigns [[Samuel Anders]] to protect Maya and Isis ([[Exodus, Part I]]).
*Later, during the [[Battle of New Caprica]], she evacuates the planet aboard ''Colonial One'' which reunites with the Fleet along with the other previously grounded ships ([[Exodus, Part II]]).
*After the Fleet reunites after the escape from [[New Caprica]], [[Gaius Baltar]] is officially deposed and as the Vice President, [[Tom Zarek]] becomes President. He only briefly holds the office; under pressure from Admiral Adama, Zarek agrees to step aside from the Presidency. Roslin is named as his Vice President, and Zarek steps down to return Roslin as President. However, as part of the deal, Roslin tells Zarek that he can have the Vice Presidency. She is later sworn in after all of the official gestures have been made, and she issues a general pardon to everyone in the Fleet in response to the quiet executions of some of the people who collaborated with the [[Cylons]], and to prevent the Fleet from being torn apart by long trials ([[Collaborators]]).

*Roslin and Adama work well together in managing Fleet morale, analyzing new data that helps guide the Fleet on the way to Earth ("[[Torn]]," "[[A Measure of Salvation]]") and handling a serious food shortage ([[The Passage]]). When the Fleet discovers the [[Temple of Five]] on the [[algae planet]], Roslin dives into the analysis of the structure and its scripture background. Roslin's relationship with Adama is strained when Adama discovers that Roslin hid the Cylon baby, [[Hera]], without his knowledge. Infuriated, he leaves Roslin after she admits the situation, without leaving her a chance to explain ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).

Roslin's past actions to protect [[Hera Agathon]] come to a head when the Agathons choose to rescue their daughter by killing Sharon to force her to [[Resurrection (RDM)|download to the Cylon ships]]. When Roslin attempts to chastise [[Karl Agathon]] for putting Sharon in the hands of the Cylons (and her knowledge of Colonial tactics and procedures with her), Helo angrily replies that, if Roslin had not faked Hera's death and hid her from them, this situation would not have existed. Roslin accepts culpability with visible distress.

After Gaius Baltar is captured, Roslin's desire for answers about his involvement with the Cylons "infects" several others, including Tigh and Admiral Adama. Roslin initially orders that Baltar is forced to stay awake as a form of coersion, which Baltar counters by a hunger strike and later, a suicide attempt. The Fleet leadership applies a version of "[[w:Good cop/Bad cop|Good cop-Bad cop]]" with Baltar, where Roslin assumes both roles. She first calmly speaking to Baltar and asking specific questions about his time with the Cylons and his role as a traitorous president. Moments later, in a manner very uncharacteristic of Roslin, she loudly interrogates Baltar and yells for Colonel Tigh and his marines to carry Baltar to an airlock in a ruse to force him to talk. Baltar calls the bluff, however. Roslin appears ecstatic to learn that Adama has a [[interrogation drug]] that may force Baltar to tell more. This interrogation has mixed results that reveal more questions than answers, including Baltar's belief that he was a Cylon himself ([[Taking A Break From All Your Worries]]).

==Notes==

*The character of Laura Roslin is unique to the ''Battlestar Galactica'' saga. She has no counterpart to the [[Original Series]], where its version of President [[Adar (TOS)|Adar]] is killed and a presidential replacement is never made. Roslin assumes more of the political-spiritual leadership of the [[Adama (TOS)|Original Series' Commander Adama]], whereas [[William Adama]] is representative of the Original Series' character's military commander aspect.

*Roslin's apparent cure in "[[Epiphanies]]" contradicts the "dying leader" clause of the [[Pythia|Pythian Prophecy]], despite the fulfillment of her role in the [[Tomb of Athena]] story arc. Indications from the creators of the show suggest that Roslin's health trials may not yet be over. In [[Crossroads: Part I]], she claims that she has cancer again.

*Actress Mary McDonnell is perhaps best known for her role in the epic film, ''Dances with Wolves'', with Kevin Costner. Another famous role of hers was the First Lady in ''[[w:Independence Day (film)|Independence Day]]'', a film which (in a less serious tone than ''Battlestar'') depicts cocky human fighter pilots battling an genocidal enemy from outer space.

*In [[SDS|the Singer/DeSanto continuation]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the Original Series]], a female president named [[Mara]] would visit ''Galactica'' in much the same way that Laura Roslin did as part of that ''Galactica'''s decommissioning ceremony.

*The glasses that the character wears are also McDonnell's real glasses.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&vid=37452|title=Mary McDonnell Q & A, Part 1|date=2006-10-13|accessdate=2006-10-14|last=|first=|format=VID|language=English}}</ref>

*President Roslin's appointment as Colonial president parallels US President [[w:Gerald Ford|Gerald R. Ford]], who became US Vice President and later President through succession or appointment, not by election.

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2007-03-20T20:02:14Z

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==Promo Pics==
Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a9064 here]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:54, 27 February 2007 (CST)
: Tried to go there, but I get the following: Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /drewcypher/gallery/000a9064 on this server. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 08:09, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::NBC cracked down on websites publishing the highres press photos.. They are still here: http://galacticastation.com/episodes/s3guide/318.htm --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:45, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Predictions ==

I was too busy drooling over my favorite [[Number Three|Suicide Girl]] to spend much time in front of the ol' crystal ball this week, but I got in a little bit of quality future-gazing at the last minute.
*[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Beau]] locks the Battlestar Wiki, causing widespread panic throughout the Fleet! Without the ability to edit, how are our remaining 41,000 citizens supposed to comment on the shocking accuracy of their beloved seer's predictions? Riots! Fire! Premarital sex! And that's all just the teaser! In the end, however, they will make due and will remember that editing a wiki isn't everything. :)
*Back in February, my crystal ball told me that the trial of Baltar would begin. Obviously, the ball had a little too much [[New Caprican loco weed|Fleet wheat]] and tossed me a prediction for this episode instead. Yep, blame it on others, that's me. The Admiral would be so disappointed.
*We've all seen Caprica and Tigh exchanging bruises in the preview for this episode. This will be the only Cylon-on-human violence we see in the entire episode, and probably in the rest of the season.
*Baltar publically reveals during his trial that Roslin's cancer was cured by Hera's blood and that Hera is half-Cylon. The Fleet goes nuts. Baltar also reveals the plot to steal the Presidency and how it was covered up after the election. I've got a feeling he'll also reveal some shady goings-on during the year on New Caprica that we haven't seen.
*As the trial goes on, Tigh and Zarek are in charge of the military and civilian branches of the Fleet, respectively. They've never been fans of each other and now they're going to lock horns like never before.
*At the end of the episode, the Fleet jumps to a new system. Something sparks a huge shouting match between Zarek and Tigh, during which Gaeta detects... something. I'm not sure what it is, but it's the last marker on the road to Earth. Unfortunately, the Cylons are already there. After reorganizing in the wake of boxing an entire model, the Cylon expeditionary fleet has actually gotten ahead of the Colonials in just a few jumps. Baltar's trial is interrupted by this event and the episode ends on a cliffhanger.
After nearly half a season without them, the Cylons return in a big way this episode. While I'd personally like Baltar's trial to remain as human as possible, I'm afraid you can't have a season finale without the Cylons making a grand appearance and leaving everything hanging in the balance. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 13:57, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

:(*snif*) No mention of Galvatron? Is he being left to rust somewhere in space by something more evil than he: ''lawyers?'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
::Starscream, obviously. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:54, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Sorry, guys. I thought Galvatron's presence would be obvious, keeping previous predictions in mind. He's in his new Pretender disguise: Romo Lampkin. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 23:58, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:I'm looking forward to Cylon presence, we haven't seen any Cylons (save for Athena and Caprica-Six) since "Rapture". Or have we? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:49, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

==403 Error==
<s>I keep getting a 403 error when I try to look at the Crossroads Pt. 1 page.</s> <s>Never mind it's being cooperative now.</s> Or not. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 10:27, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

== When will this article be unlocked ? ==
I know the whole site has been unlocked, but this article appears to still be in lockdown mode. How long will we need to wait before permissions are restored?--[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 15:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:[http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/?p=115 Thus spake Joe]:
:"Even after this, I expect the wiki to be slow and may even have to protect “Crossroads, Part I” from editing even after the site-wide lockdown."
:The day after an episode we've been getting hammered, and I suspect today is no exception. I expect that the traffic will die down enough such by tomorrow that Joe will unlock this page as well. If there's anything you feel needs to be added to the page while it is locked, you could add it here in the talk age (and copy & paste it later, or somebody else will), or create a subpage of your user page (or just a subsection of your user page) to store the thoughts/ideas/analysis/notes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::Performance is still extremely sluggish. It works as this very moment, but it's up and down all the time. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::Shane unlocked the article. I was honestly going to unlock it tomorrow morning, but I don't see how that would have really helped more not. At any rate, the article's unlocked. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

==Anders in Uniform==
Hey is Anders a pilot now cause they called him a nick name in the teaser --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 17:25, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378
:No, they called him a [[nugget]], which is Colonial Fleet slang for a pilot trainee. But since you've mentioned that, does anyone have a screen grab of this for Anders' page?--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 23:56, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

== Act 1 item ==

Since it's not editable, I'm posting here....

# Back on Galactica, in CIC, Admiral Adama orders a scan for any tracking devices that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated Caprica-Six for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.

# Lee Adama enters CIC near Roslin, who is collecting herself in the Weapons Control station. He notices a cup and decanter in CIC, ostensibly belonging to Col. Tigh and smells it. His expression suggests the presence of alcohol.

I rewatched this scene, because I got something different out of it. I think this should read:

# Back on Galactica, in CIC, Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Col. Tigh, and President Rosline are discussing the baseships. Someone brings Roslin a decanter of tea? Admiral Adama orders a scan for any tracking devices that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated Caprica-Six for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.

# Roslin walk to the Weapons Control station to collect herself. Lee Adama notices the cup belonging to Roslin; sniffs it and detects chamalla.

I think that Lee is taking Romo's lesson's to heart from the last episode and connecting Roslin's erratic behavior with her chamalla tea. -- [[User:Disputin|Disputin]] 17:31, 19 March 2007

:Agreed. At first I thought it was Tigh's too, but later it's explained as how he made the connection to Roslin still taking chamalla. That it's sweetened with sugar to mask the taste is explained by the oracle on New Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

::I haven't listened to the podcast, but I suspect that the ambiguity was intentional. You're supposed to think it's Tigh's, and then realize that it was Roslin's all along. Not that Tigh drinking on duty ought to be anything of a revelation anyway. The man likes the sauce. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:25, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::You can see Foster handing the can and cup to Roslin. It's not that obvious, and I missed it too at first, but it's clear that it's not Tigh's. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:32, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

==Opening==
Has anyone been able to find out why the opening title wasn't in the episode? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 17:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
Also, if we really want a survivor count, we could use what that lawyer gave us as a number during the trial (even though it seems a bit too low). --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 18:02, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:No, because that's too old. It's also somewhat conflicting (see my comment on Survivor Count talk). That number has to refer to the ''civilian'' population directly after the escape. But that discussion is better for the SC article.
:From the podcast transcript:
:"In case you're wondering, no we did not forget to put the pre-cap on that says, "The Cylons Were Created By Man," etc. etc. Truth is we were pressed for time on these last two and we asked for special dispensation to do away with the pre-cap, as we call it, and also with the main title. So-to give us-in order to give us more time to tell the story and really play this for all it's worth."
:So there you have it. That's what I suspected happened. It sounds like they were really crunched for time on these last two episodes (considering the opening chop running a few minutes long next week). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:31, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Is the Eight at the opening Sharon Agathon or Boomer or another Eight? Kind of appears that Park has an expression more accustomed to Boomer on her face, as well as wearing her hair as Boomer. [[User:Huh?|Huh?]] 06:26, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:I think it must be [[Sharon Agathon]] (Athena) since she's [[Hera]]'s mother. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:02, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

==Refinery Ship==
Did anyone here Tivo the episode? In the scene on the refinery ship, I thought I saw Olmos in a cameo. He looked like he had the Gaff mustache from Blade Runner. Can anyone check this? --[[User:Whalepelt|Whalepelt]] 09:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:I haven't checked it, but I doubt it. It's probably just cut footage from "Dirty Hands" or possible even copied from the aired version. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:14, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

== Disagreement on this point in the analysis ==

I took out this line from the analysis by Serenity. There a few points that I disagree with how this is worded:

"[[Racetrack]] continues her history of trying to escape at the first sign of danger ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[Occupation]]", "[[Torn]]"). However this time, her Raptor is actually in immediate danger of being destroyed by the Cylons and jumps away at the last moment."

*This isn't the first time that Racetrack has escaped from imminent danger. In "[[Dirty Hands]]", she and her ECO barely escaped from the Raptor before it collided with Colonial One and probably exploded because of the impure tylium fuel.
*She was not running at the first sign of danger in "[[Occupation]]", they had reached their daily time limit on waiting for contact from New Caprica and yes had begun to pick up some Cylon activity. The last thing that they want is the Cylons to know that a Raptor is constantly waiting for a signal. She stayed long enough to send back the message to the resistance and then left to report the good news.
*In "[[Torn]]", we are not told that she and Athena immediately ran away once they saw the dying baseship. She was freaked out as any pilot would, but once they realized that the baseship and the other fighters were immobile, she had more of a expression of confusion than fear.
*In "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", it was the first time we were introduced to Racetrack. Her expression of fear I would think is natural as no human had ever been inside a new Cylon baseship. Considering that the nuke did not dislodged as planned and that Boomer went outside unexpectedly, it probably would freak out anyone.

Anyhows, we can put this line back in later, but I think it needs to be rewritten. I honestly don't think that this character trait is just to Racetrack alone. Boomer in the mini-series did the same thing once she and Helo realized that the Vipers were being destroyed. I would think any smart Raptor pilot would know when to bug out since their ship isn't the most fighter capable.--[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 12:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:-sigh- In how many places do you want to bring this up? I mentioned it on your talk page, because you have an issue with it and then you replied to it on mine. Now you discuss it here as well. That's completely unnecessary.
:People can think that she's a coward or that she's doing her job. It doesn't say anything either way. I agree that "Occupation" isn't really a good example as the time is merely up, but the others are not cases of her running away from ''immediate'' danger. Except for "Dirty Hands" which doesn't fall into this pattern and thus isn't even mentioned. You are the one bringing that into this. Let's just remove it, as your attempts at rewording just twisted into something wrong. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Crossroads, Part I/Archive 1

2007-03-20T20:00:13Z

Moo: /* Opening */

==Promo Pics==
Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a9064 here]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:54, 27 February 2007 (CST)
: Tried to go there, but I get the following: Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /drewcypher/gallery/000a9064 on this server. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 08:09, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::NBC cracked down on websites publishing the highres press photos.. They are still here: http://galacticastation.com/episodes/s3guide/318.htm --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:45, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Predictions ==

I was too busy drooling over my favorite [[Number Three|Suicide Girl]] to spend much time in front of the ol' crystal ball this week, but I got in a little bit of quality future-gazing at the last minute.
*[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Beau]] locks the Battlestar Wiki, causing widespread panic throughout the Fleet! Without the ability to edit, how are our remaining 41,000 citizens supposed to comment on the shocking accuracy of their beloved seer's predictions? Riots! Fire! Premarital sex! And that's all just the teaser! In the end, however, they will make due and will remember that editing a wiki isn't everything. :)
*Back in February, my crystal ball told me that the trial of Baltar would begin. Obviously, the ball had a little too much [[New Caprican loco weed|Fleet wheat]] and tossed me a prediction for this episode instead. Yep, blame it on others, that's me. The Admiral would be so disappointed.
*We've all seen Caprica and Tigh exchanging bruises in the preview for this episode. This will be the only Cylon-on-human violence we see in the entire episode, and probably in the rest of the season.
*Baltar publically reveals during his trial that Roslin's cancer was cured by Hera's blood and that Hera is half-Cylon. The Fleet goes nuts. Baltar also reveals the plot to steal the Presidency and how it was covered up after the election. I've got a feeling he'll also reveal some shady goings-on during the year on New Caprica that we haven't seen.
*As the trial goes on, Tigh and Zarek are in charge of the military and civilian branches of the Fleet, respectively. They've never been fans of each other and now they're going to lock horns like never before.
*At the end of the episode, the Fleet jumps to a new system. Something sparks a huge shouting match between Zarek and Tigh, during which Gaeta detects... something. I'm not sure what it is, but it's the last marker on the road to Earth. Unfortunately, the Cylons are already there. After reorganizing in the wake of boxing an entire model, the Cylon expeditionary fleet has actually gotten ahead of the Colonials in just a few jumps. Baltar's trial is interrupted by this event and the episode ends on a cliffhanger.
After nearly half a season without them, the Cylons return in a big way this episode. While I'd personally like Baltar's trial to remain as human as possible, I'm afraid you can't have a season finale without the Cylons making a grand appearance and leaving everything hanging in the balance. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 13:57, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

:(*snif*) No mention of Galvatron? Is he being left to rust somewhere in space by something more evil than he: ''lawyers?'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
::Starscream, obviously. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:54, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Sorry, guys. I thought Galvatron's presence would be obvious, keeping previous predictions in mind. He's in his new Pretender disguise: Romo Lampkin. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 23:58, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:I'm looking forward to Cylon presence, we haven't seen any Cylons (save for Athena and Caprica-Six) since "Rapture". Or have we? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:49, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

==403 Error==
<s>I keep getting a 403 error when I try to look at the Crossroads Pt. 1 page.</s> <s>Never mind it's being cooperative now.</s> Or not. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 10:27, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

== When will this article be unlocked ? ==
I know the whole site has been unlocked, but this article appears to still be in lockdown mode. How long will we need to wait before permissions are restored?--[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 15:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:[http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/?p=115 Thus spake Joe]:
:"Even after this, I expect the wiki to be slow and may even have to protect “Crossroads, Part I” from editing even after the site-wide lockdown."
:The day after an episode we've been getting hammered, and I suspect today is no exception. I expect that the traffic will die down enough such by tomorrow that Joe will unlock this page as well. If there's anything you feel needs to be added to the page while it is locked, you could add it here in the talk age (and copy & paste it later, or somebody else will), or create a subpage of your user page (or just a subsection of your user page) to store the thoughts/ideas/analysis/notes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::Performance is still extremely sluggish. It works as this very moment, but it's up and down all the time. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::Shane unlocked the article. I was honestly going to unlock it tomorrow morning, but I don't see how that would have really helped more not. At any rate, the article's unlocked. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

==Anders in Uniform==
Hey is Anders a pilot now cause they called him a nick name in the teaser --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 17:25, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378
:No, they called him a [[nugget]], which is Colonial Fleet slang for a pilot trainee. But since you've mentioned that, does anyone have a screen grab of this for Anders' page?--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 23:56, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

== Act 1 item ==

Since it's not editable, I'm posting here....

# Back on Galactica, in CIC, Admiral Adama orders a scan for any tracking devices that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated Caprica-Six for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.

# Lee Adama enters CIC near Roslin, who is collecting herself in the Weapons Control station. He notices a cup and decanter in CIC, ostensibly belonging to Col. Tigh and smells it. His expression suggests the presence of alcohol.

I rewatched this scene, because I got something different out of it. I think this should read:

# Back on Galactica, in CIC, Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Col. Tigh, and President Rosline are discussing the baseships. Someone brings Roslin a decanter of tea? Admiral Adama orders a scan for any tracking devices that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated Caprica-Six for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.

# Roslin walk to the Weapons Control station to collect herself. Lee Adama notices the cup belonging to Roslin; sniffs it and detects chamalla.

I think that Lee is taking Romo's lesson's to heart from the last episode and connecting Roslin's erratic behavior with her chamalla tea. -- [[User:Disputin|Disputin]] 17:31, 19 March 2007

:Agreed. At first I thought it was Tigh's too, but later it's explained as how he made the connection to Roslin still taking chamalla. That it's sweetened with sugar to mask the taste is explained by the oracle on New Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

::I haven't listened to the podcast, but I suspect that the ambiguity was intentional. You're supposed to think it's Tigh's, and then realize that it was Roslin's all along. Not that Tigh drinking on duty ought to be anything of a revelation anyway. The man likes the sauce. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:25, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::You can see Foster handing the can and cup to Roslin. It's not that obvious, and I missed it too at first, but it's clear that it's not Tigh's. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:32, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

==Opening==
Has anyone been able to find out why the opening title wasn't in the episode? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 17:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
Also, if we really want a survivor count, we could use what that lawyer gave us as a number during the trial (even though it seems a bit too low). --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 18:02, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:No, because that's too old. It's also somewhat conflicting (see my comment on Survivor Count talk). That number has to refer to the ''civilian'' population directly after the escape. But that discussion is better for the SC article.
:From the podcast transcript:
:"In case you're wondering, no we did not forget to put the pre-cap on that says, "The Cylons Were Created By Man," etc. etc. Truth is we were pressed for time on these last two and we asked for special dispensation to do away with the pre-cap, as we call it, and also with the main title. So-to give us-in order to give us more time to tell the story and really play this for all it's worth."
:So there you have it. That's what I suspected happened. It sounds like they were really crunched for time on these last two episodes (considering the opening chop running a few minutes long next week). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:31, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Is the Eight at the opening Sharon Agathon or Boomer or another Eight? Kind of appears that Park has an expression more accustomed to Boomer on her face, as well as wearing her hair as Boomer. [[User:Huh?|Huh?]] 06:26, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:I think it must be [[Sharon Agathon]] (Athena) since she's [[Hera]]'s mother.

==Refinery Ship==
Did anyone here Tivo the episode? In the scene on the refinery ship, I thought I saw Olmos in a cameo. He looked like he had the Gaff mustache from Blade Runner. Can anyone check this? --[[User:Whalepelt|Whalepelt]] 09:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:I haven't checked it, but I doubt it. It's probably just cut footage from "Dirty Hands" or possible even copied from the aired version. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:14, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

== Disagreement on this point in the analysis ==

I took out this line from the analysis by Serenity. There a few points that I disagree with how this is worded:

"[[Racetrack]] continues her history of trying to escape at the first sign of danger ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[Occupation]]", "[[Torn]]"). However this time, her Raptor is actually in immediate danger of being destroyed by the Cylons and jumps away at the last moment."

*This isn't the first time that Racetrack has escaped from imminent danger. In "[[Dirty Hands]]", she and her ECO barely escaped from the Raptor before it collided with Colonial One and probably exploded because of the impure tylium fuel.
*She was not running at the first sign of danger in "[[Occupation]]", they had reached their daily time limit on waiting for contact from New Caprica and yes had begun to pick up some Cylon activity. The last thing that they want is the Cylons to know that a Raptor is constantly waiting for a signal. She stayed long enough to send back the message to the resistance and then left to report the good news.
*In "[[Torn]]", we are not told that she and Athena immediately ran away once they saw the dying baseship. She was freaked out as any pilot would, but once they realized that the baseship and the other fighters were immobile, she had more of a expression of confusion than fear.
*In "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", it was the first time we were introduced to Racetrack. Her expression of fear I would think is natural as no human had ever been inside a new Cylon baseship. Considering that the nuke did not dislodged as planned and that Boomer went outside unexpectedly, it probably would freak out anyone.

Anyhows, we can put this line back in later, but I think it needs to be rewritten. I honestly don't think that this character trait is just to Racetrack alone. Boomer in the mini-series did the same thing once she and Helo realized that the Vipers were being destroyed. I would think any smart Raptor pilot would know when to bug out since their ship isn't the most fighter capable.--[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 12:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:-sigh- In how many places do you want to bring this up? I mentioned it on your talk page, because you have an issue with it and then you replied to it on mine. Now you discuss it here as well. That's completely unnecessary.
:People can think that she's a coward or that she's doing her job. It doesn't say anything either way. I agree that "Occupation" isn't really a good example as the time is merely up, but the others are not cases of her running away from ''immediate'' danger. Except for "Dirty Hands" which doesn't fall into this pattern and thus isn't even mentioned. You are the one bringing that into this. Let's just remove it, as your attempts at rewording just twisted into something wrong. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Crossroads, Part I/Archive 1

2007-03-19T23:02:08Z

Moo: /* Opening */

Talk:Crossroads, Part I/Archive 1

2007-03-19T22:57:00Z

Moo:

Talk:Crossroads, Part I/Archive 1

2007-03-19T22:52:56Z

Moo:

Talk:Maelstrom/Archive 1

2007-03-06T02:09:16Z

Moo:

==Official Source required==

Working episode titles are always shaky, even from official sources. The [[BW:OC|Official Communiques]] articles lists those confirmed by an official source, but even these are subject to change. Gateworld is not an official source and can be more wrong than the official preliminary title. Best to wait on this or verify the source. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:39, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

So far they've been correct for Season 3, and usually ahead of most other sources by several days. Waiting won't hurt [[User:Hmoul|Seattle Cylon]] 14:15, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
*I posed this title to Bradley Thompson and he chose not to confirm the title as a "working title" where he usually confirms "working titles". There may be a reason, may not be, but for our purposes, this should be considered rumor and innuendo and should be deleted.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:02, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
::{{vd}} as well. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:06, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

==Promo Pics==
Are up [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a7qzs here]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:28, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:I'd use the one with her mother as preview pic here. Aside from the ones with Leoben, the others are pretty generic. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:35, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::I posted the one with leoben before I read this. I liked the starbuck's destiny angle, but will change if the consensus dictates it. This gives me another ideas. Promo pic gallery in the article until it airs. I am really looking at ways to use more images since we are discussing a TV show. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:14, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:::That one's fine too. As for the gallery, sure. However, you should probably resize the pictures a bit before uploading them as they are very large --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:23, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::::If you think so, I will move this discussion to the Quorum? where discussion can start before writing up a Think tank proposal. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:34, 1 February 2007 (CST)

==Bonus Scene==
Maybe I missed something last week (I didn't go watch the ENTIRE bonus scene online), but when I went tonight to check out the Dirty Hands bonus scene, there was a bonus scene up from Maelstrom. Did anyone else see this? This shouldn't have been up yet, right? At any rate I got a sneak peak...even if it was a deleted scene :) --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 00:42, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Kara and Cylon ==

I had a brilliant thought the other night. Kara gets killed in this episode and wakes up in a ress chamber on Caprica. First words out of her mouth, "Oh sh!t". That could explain the pic of her back on Caprica with Leoben. I bet she is a Cylon. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 14:53, 26 February 2007 (CST)

You read my mind --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 20:09, 5 March 2007 (CST)
== ''Maelstrom'' Predictions! ==

Strap into your Vipers, ''Galactica'' fans! It's time for another round of predictions!
Sure, the All-Seeing, All-Knowing Slander struck out big time last week, but I got in some high-quality chamalla the other day and BOY is it potent! Anybody got any candy?
* Recon Delta, which consists of a two-man [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] crewed by Captain [[Kanon]] and Lieutenant [[Britton]], is on patrol when it picks up readings of an advanced Cylon fighter.
* Suddenly, a previously unseen [[Cylon Raider|Cylon Raider]] appears and fires at them.
* The [[warbook]] brings back a readout of the occupants: the Raider crew appear to be human.
* [[Kanon]] decides on a desperate strategy and rams the ship, damaging both craft.
* The huge Cylon fighter tumbles towards Earth, and [[Britton]] is injured.

Wait. Frak. I'm sorry. That's [[The Night the Cylons Landed, Part I]]. [[Wolfman Jack]] was so awesome, though. Let's try this again.

*Starbuck goes nuts, even though she's seemed perfectly fine during the last few times we've seen her.
*Starbuck goes to see a psychiatrist.
*Like everyone with a deep interest in human nature on this show, said psychiatrist turns out to be a Cylon, but she doesn't know it until Starbuck's discussions about Leoben awaken her buried Cylon memories. She's just as surprised as the rest of us! (Moreso, actually, since we're not surprised at all.)
*Leoben is gonna be all over this episode, but mostly in hallucinations and flashbacks. Also, he gets it on with a SuicideGirl. ("Like, being a creepy, religious machine is, like, ''totally'' a turn-on!")
*I'm sensing an Anders appearance, but that could just be my unsexual man-love for Anders talking.
*Speaking of unsexual man-love, Zarek also puts in a brief appearance because, during filming, Richard Hatch was in town for a convention and the writers felt the need to inject ''even more awesomeness'' into this episode. Shame they can't resurrect [[Wolfman Jack]] for an episode or two, isn't it?
*Kara crashes her Viper, injuring herself so badly that we won't see her for the rest of the season.
*For the first time all season, Galvatron fails to make an appearance. This is because he's busy filming an episode of ''Ghost Whisperer''. Jennifer Love Hewitt's so damn hot.

This half of the season finally starts to build some momentum with this episode, leading up to what's sure to be a mind-smashing, cliff-hanging finale. After that's over, I guess I'll move over to GateWorld and start doing ''Stargate'' predictions. Do they have a good wiki? --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 11:23, 2 March 2007 (CST)

== A reminder to all contributors ==

The events of this episode should be treated as canon. While speculation is allowed, please avoid [[BW:FANW|fanwanking]] into the possibilities created by the event within this article. Episode summaries and its question and analysis are for relevant unanswered questions generated by this episode only. Some people may take a [[Beings of Light]] parallelism to it; because there is no connection officially established between the Original Series and Re-imagined Series on this, it is better to leave that trail alone. Also remember that talk pages aren't chat boards, so discuss the episode elsewhere (email, Sci Fi Forums, etc.) to keep wiki performance at its best. Thanks! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:08, 5 March 2007 (CST)

Bear McCreary

2007-02-22T03:09:34Z

Moo: fixed typo

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| role=Composer
| series=[[RDM]]
| dob=17 February 1979
| nationality=US
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A classically trained composer and multiple-award recipient, '''Bear McCreary''' is the mastermind behind the music of the ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|"Re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica]]'' TV series.

McCreary's work is available in the [[Soundtrack (Season 1)|Season 1]] and [[Soundtrack (Season 2)|Season 2]] soundtracks to the hit SF series. Having composed music since he was just 6 years old, and being a graduate of the USC Thornton School of Music, McCreary has a knack for creating classical pieces, as well as quirky, off-beat melodies. When not working on the ''Battlestar'' score, McCreary also composes soundtracks for independent movies as well.

McCreary worked on the [[Miniseries]] with soundtrack composer [[Richard Gibbs]] as an additional composer, also collaborating with Gibbs for the soundtracks in episodes 2 and 3 of season 1, "[[Water]]" and "[[Bastille Day]]". However, Gibbs opted not to devote full time to the regular series production, due to scheduling conflicts as he wanted to devote more time to scoring theatrical films. As a result McCreary scored "[[33]]" (which was actually the first episode) and then stayed on as soundtrack composer for all subsequent episodes of the series.

==Leitmotifs in the ''Battlestar Galactica'' [[Soundtrack]]==

McCreary makes use of several recurring character or event ''leitmotifs'' in the series' soundtrack. Among them are:

*'''Boomer theme''': Indonesian [[Wikipedia:gamelan|gamelan]]s and bells, heard in "Helo Rescued", "Boomer Flees", and "Two Boomers".
*'''Adama family theme''': Irish whistle or bagpipe, heard in "Wander My Friends", "A Good Lighter", and "Reuniting The Fleet".
*'''Cylon Centurion theme''': Tuvan throat singing, heard in "Helo Chase", and "Helo in the Warehouse".
*'''Starbuck theme''': "Starbuck Takes on all Eight", "Flesh and Bone" or "Escape from the Farm". Sometimes also used for hope and success in general.
*'''Tigh theme''': "Martial Law" from the episode "Fragged". Played on a french horn and also used in "Occupation".
*'''Six theme''': A simple 9-note motive used in virtually all Six scenes and peformed on a gamelan. On the soundtrack in "Six Sex" and "The Sense of Six".
*'''love theme''': "Reunited" and "To Kiss or not to Kiss" from the miniseries. Also heard very briefly in the episodes "The Farm" and "Sacrifice".
*'''death theme''': "Bloodshed" from the episode "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II". Also heard in "The Farm" and "Resurrection Ship, Part II" among others.

== External Links ==

*[http://www.bearmccreary.com/ Official Bear McCreary website.]

[[Category: A to Z|McCreary, Bear]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes|McCreary, Bear]]
[[Category: Crew|McCreary, Bear]]
[[Category: RDM|McCreary, Bear]]

User talk:Moo

2007-02-18T14:55:53Z

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==I'm sorry :(==
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Couldn't resist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:22, 15 February 2007 (CST)
:LOL!--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 18:08, 16 February 2007 (CST)

== This you... ==

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:Yes. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 08:55, 18 February 2007 (CST)

User:Moo

2007-02-17T18:04:32Z

Moo:

I felt like I had to put something here, so I did.

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2007-02-17T00:21:40Z

Moo: /* I'm sorry :( */

Talk:So say we all/Archive 1

2007-02-17T00:18:46Z

Moo:

I heard somewhere (could be a podcast or somewehere on the wiki) that "So say we all" was an ad-lib by Edward James Olmos. Should this be added to the article? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 20:58, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I've never heard it. Find it, add it, [[BW:CITE|cite it]], and you'll be golden. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:11, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I think you might have misunderstood it. The way I know it, he didn't come up with the saying itself, but might have contributed to its popularity. The adlib is the repeated use after the ceremony at the end of the Miniseries. If you look at the crowd's faces, you'll see that some of them react slightly confused at first, but then go along with it. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:27, 15 February 2007 (CST)
:I don't recall that in a podcast transcribed here (and a search for "So say we all" in the podcasts came up with zilch), but we don't have podcasts for a substantial portion of season one, and we also don't have it for the miniseries commentary. It sounds like you might check the miniseries commentary (on the DVD) if Serenity right. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)
::You're right... he didn't ad-lib "so say we all", but he ad-libbed parts of his speech in the miniseries. "Commander Adama's final speech to his crew (including his repeated use of the phrase "So say we all!" to rally them to action) was largely improvised by Edward James Olmos." [http://imdb.com/title/tt0314979/trivia] --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 18:18, 16 February 2007 (CST)
== Missing commentary transcripts ==

We done have transcripts of the Miniseries? mmm Im not sure if the UK dvd version even HAS a commentary on it. If it does then i might have to transcribe it lol. We cant be doinging with missing info here :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:12, 15 February 2007 (CST)
:Unfortunately not. The commentary is on the US DVD. A transcript would be cool though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:19, 15 February 2007 (CST)
::So say we all ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:25, 15 February 2007 (CST)
:::We haven't hosted the transcripts for the "missing" (i.e. non-online) podcasts/commentary for copyright reasons. We felt we could easily argue that the publicly posted podcasts are fair game to transcribe (since they're already out there), but the policy thus far is only to quote relevant sections of the ones not posted online. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:39, 15 February 2007 (CST)
::::How does Galactica station and other bsg sites get away with episode transcripts then? Is there not someone we can contact about it? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)
::::I erm, acquired the other season 1 commentaries, but not the Miniseries one. I wondered about the episode transcripts too though. For clarification, someone could contact Mrs. Ron maybe. Not sure if Bradley Thompson can help with this. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:51, 15 February 2007 (CST)
:::::The truth is, they're very likely operating without permission, which is a situation we don't want to get involved with. We do have the contact info of someone at Scifi we could ask, but so far all responses have been negative. I'd rather not put our current supply of podcast transcripts in jeopardy to gain those few we don't have, but if the consensus wants to ask about it we could do so. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:16, 15 February 2007 (CST)
::::::Is there someone Bradley can give us the contact details to? Scifi dont really seem to know what they are talking about re:Copyright issues. Ive emailed them about things in the past (non bsg related) and got conflicts in what they said. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:22, 15 February 2007 (CST)
:::::::We already tried something like this for [[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Think_Tank/Episode_Transcripts|episode transcripts]]. I'm with SV - let's let sleeping dogs lie. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:13, 15 February 2007 (CST)