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Talk:Colonial Marine Corps/Archive 1

2009-05-02T00:40:43Z

Monupics:

== Known Marines ==
Sgt Fischer should be added to the list. He first appears in the season premiere of Season 2 and is the Sergeant of the Guard who orders two marines to haul Boomer away after shooting Adama.
In the credits of Final Cut he is refered to as 'Marine Sgt. Fischer'.

I'm going to go ahead and add the names of the black-suited soldiers from 'Scattered' and 'Valley of Darkness'. Ltcrashdown December 23, 2005

Added "Corporal" link to "Venner" name. Lordmutt - 10 February, 2006

Ahem why did someone add the Marines from Rising Star as dead? it's conjecture that they're dead as the episode hasn't aired yet..

Actually... [[User:Kkimball|Kkimball]] 23:33, 10 February 2006 (EST)
:It concluded its east-coast airdate half an hour ago. Lordmutt, please sign your comments using <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:34, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Apologies, thought it didn't air for another 2 days - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]]

== Marine Weapons ==
What about the [[Wikipedia:Beretta Cx4 Storm|Beretta CX4 Storm carbine]]? I think the Marine that stopped Roslin (then let her go) when she was escaping had one. It's interesting that they took the trouble to apparently fabricate those strange wooden-handled pistols, but used existing submachine guns. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:42, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:And I must say, and excellent recent edit, Spencerian. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:45, 20 January 2006 (EST)
Thanks for changing the Five-seveN to a sidearm, I forgot. To answer your question, the CMC used them in Valley of Darkness. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:23, 25 January 2006 (EST)

In Lay Down Your Burden Part two, the marines on Caprica were using a H&K G36c, the Protecta shotgun, that's the one with the drum mag that sharon valerri used in Home part one, and Anders was using a H&K UMP. Did i get it right?
:Most of the Marines are still carrying Cx4s but Starbuck carries a G-36K. The C model has a flat Picatinny rail instead of the integrated scope like the gun Thrace uses. [http://world.guns.ru/assault/as14-e.htm G-36]. Anders still has his UMP which he's had from the beginning. Helo carries a Protecta and I swear I saw a Neostead being carried by a resistance member. The gun Sharon carries in Home may look like a shotgun (don't have a pic right now) but it definately shot like a grenade launcher. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:47, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::I believe (well, assumed) the Protecta was just being used as a stand-in for a grenade launcher. Has one ever fired shot on the show? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:42, 14 March 2006 (CST)
:::That's what I figured. Do you mean shot as a shotgun or as a grenade launcher. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 08:45, 14 March 2006 (CST)
::::I believe it was fired as a grenade launcher back in Home. I don't recall it ever being fired as a shotgun. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:47, 14 March 2006 (CST)
:::::You're right about the Home shot, I just couldn't think of it being fired as a shotgun. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:24, 14 March 2006 (CST)
::::I meant fired [[Wikipedia:Lead shot|shot]], as in the small metal objects propelled from a shotgun (or a cannon or whatever). Upon reflection, I guess it looks like I typoed "fired a shot." --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 00:20, 15 March 2006 (CST)

== Marine Gear ==
I '''''think''''' I nailed the Combat Vest. I stuck my SWAT -trained friends onto it, and they came back with these models, given their telltale snap-&-velcro attachment system. It's more than likely that the costume department dealt with the manufacturer to get un-armored versions on the cheap. The goggles, too, are quite inexpensive.

I did some research an i'm pretty certain that the tac vests worn by the marine's are actually a variaent of the MilSpex SWAT Tactical Vest. It has movable puches and unlike the vests metioned in the actual article, the vests are fairly inexpesive running at about $50 a vest. -SWATGUY-

There's also something worth discussing about their uniforms, especially after viewing the two most recent episodes (the Lay Down Your Burdens). I'll post that over at [[Talk:Uniform]] -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 12:58, 15 March 2006 (CST)

They also to appear very close to Safariland's Cover Six Plus. I do think they are discontinued though. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 22:46, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

:The costume lead for the show has had serious problems in sufficient materials to make the [[flight suit]] as well as the day officers uniform as they prefer to use exotic fabric types. I wouldn't be surprised if the marine outfits use uncommon vests and other items to ensure that they are similar to Earth stuff, but are unfamilar enough to make it seem cool. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:52, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

==Marine Officer==

I believe that in 1x08, before interrogating Leoben, Kara Thrace is having a dicussion with a marine officer. If not, there is some variety of previously unseen uniform there. [[User:Kkimball|Kkimball]] 20:53, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:No, that's the captain of the Gemenon Traveler. They didn't bother moving Leoben to Galactica as that would be too dangerous and they didn't have time, so all those scenes actually occur on the Gemenon Traveller. Starbuck also makes various asides saying they aren't on Galactica. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:40, 20 August 2006 (CDT)
::Ah, ok. I was only half watching. [[User:Kkimball|Kkimball]] 16:16, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

==Names of The Eye of Jupiter marines==
Has anyone heard/seen in CC the names of the 3 marines that were with Starbuck and Dualla except [[Fischer]]? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 17:36, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Split==
Should this page be split up to create a new page ''List of Marines'' in the similar line as the [[List of pilots|pilots]] and [[List of deckhands|deckhands]] pages? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:10, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:I'm not sure. Notice that there are no [[deckhand]] or [[pilot]] pages, only lists. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 04:14, 22 December 2006 (CST)

==Sources==
What is the source or reference for referring to the Colonial Marines as a 'Corps?' I'm not saying there isn't one, I just don't recall hearing it. The mere fact that the Colonial Fleet has marines does not necessarily mean they are organized as a corps as is the case in the U.S. -- [[User:Monupics|Monupics]] 00:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Islanded in a Stream of Stars

2009-04-04T02:38:35Z

Monupics: /* Analysis */

{{Episode Data
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| title=Islanded In a Stream of Stars
| season= 4
| episode=18
| guests=
| writer= [[Michael Taylor]]
| story=
| director= [[Edward James Olmos]]
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| CAN airdate=March 6, 2009
| UK airdate=March 10, 2009
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| population=39521
| oldpopulation=39556
| prev=[[Someone to Watch Over Me]]
| next=[[Daybreak, Part I]]
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== Overview ==
''As Galactica's condition continues to get worse, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and another human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.

* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.

* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.

* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream.

* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male that argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space.

===Act 1 and beyond===

{{cleanup}}

Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, who rejects his romantic overtures. She tells him she's changed and that he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] was at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] was no where to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' had left in her. [[Bear McCreary]] reveals<ref>http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1671</ref> there is an extended scene on the DVD which shows Chief Tyrol is being held in ''Galactica'''s brig for his part in [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer's]] escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. She pushes the model of ''Galactica'' into a model of a basestar, which could hint at an eventual confrontation between ''Galactica'' and the Cylons.
*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisce about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol shared a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wanted Athena to say that she hated him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost did. In a close up of her lips her mouth parted slightly but then closed. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is however conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could had had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we saw what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explained in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is large space station built with the same biological design principles like the [[Baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in [[The Son Also Rises]].

* Galactica, nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_hole_in_the_bucket There's a Hole in My Bucket]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. Its likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar of course was referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Viritual-Baltar and the only unseen characters that have appear throughout the show. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the harbinger of death may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature as the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.

== Questions ==
* What does Cavil mean when he tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates?
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would had '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused to much on relationships and not enough action RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Constanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

== References ==

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Islanded in a Stream of Stars

2009-04-04T02:33:59Z

Monupics: /* Teaser */

{{Episode Data
| image=IslandintheStars.jpg
| title=Islanded In a Stream of Stars
| season= 4
| episode=18
| guests=
| writer= [[Michael Taylor]]
| story=
| director= [[Edward James Olmos]]
| production=420
| rating=1,568,000 viewers (Live+SD)<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/10/icarly-burn-notice-and-wwe-raw-top-cable-charts/14228|title=iCarly, Burn Notice and WWE RAW top cable charts|date=10 March 2009|accessdate=11 March 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>
| US airdate=March 6, 2009
| CAN airdate=March 6, 2009
| UK airdate=March 10, 2009
| dvd=
| population=39521
| oldpopulation=39556
| prev=[[Someone to Watch Over Me]]
| next=[[Daybreak, Part I]]
| forumthread= 2892
| hulu=Y
}}

== Overview ==
''As Galactica's condition continues to get worse, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and another human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.

* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.

* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.

* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream.

* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male that argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space.

===Act 1 and beyond===

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Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, who rejects his romantic overtures. She tells him she's changed and that he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] was at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] was no where to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' had left in her. [[Bear McCreary]] reveals<ref>http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1671</ref> there is an extended scene on the DVD which shows Chief Tyrol is being held in ''Galactica'''s brig for his part in [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer's]] escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. She pushes the model of ''Galactica'' into a model of a basestar, which could hint at an eventual confrontation between ''Galactica'' and the Cylons.
*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisces about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol shared a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wanted Athena to say that she hated him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost did. In a close up of her lips her mouth parted slightly but then closed. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is however conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could had had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we saw what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explained in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is large space station built with the same biological design principles like the [[Baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in [[The Son Also Rises]].

* Galactica, nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_hole_in_the_bucket There's a Hole in My Bucket]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. Its likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar of course was referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Viritual-Baltar and the only unseen characters that have appear throughout the show. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the harbinger of death may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature as the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.

== Questions ==
* What does Cavil mean when he tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates?
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would had '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused to much on relationships and not enough action RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Constanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

== References ==

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Daybreak, Part I

2009-03-14T23:33:38Z

Monupics: /* Analysis */

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== Overview ==
''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is stripped of parts, and [[William Adama|Adama]] calls for volunteers for a final mission.<ref>http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=1054906</ref>

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

=== Act 1 ===

=== Act 2 ===

=== Act 3 ===

=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==

* This episode is indeed the first part of what is now a three hour series finale<ref>http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html</ref>.
*We finally learn [[Sherman Cottle|Cottle]]'s first name: Sherman. Adama calls him by it when telling him he's too valuable for the fleet to lose.

== Analysis ==
*Cavil plans to use Hera to find out how she was created in order to continue the Cylon species, presumably through normal reproduction.
**It also proves both Starbuck's and Athena's worst fears that Cavil intends to dissect Hera to discover the secret of procreation.
*Roslin likely feels quite protective of Hera as despite being barley able to walk, she volunteers for the rescue mission.
*Cottle may be either the best doctor in the fleet or one of the only ones as Adama says he's too valuable for the fleet to lose on the rescue mission.
*Baltar seems conflicted when volunteers are called. This inner conflict stems from his earlier conversation with Lee Adama where he confessed that he had never done anything for purely selfless motivations with no gain for himself. He does not, however, cross the line and join the volunteers.
** If Baltar does join, then it would seem likely that all the elements are in place to fulfil the Opera House vision: Athena, Roslin, Caprica Six and Baltar will all be in pursuit of Hera.
*Much of the crew is loyal enough to Adama that they're willing to go on a likely one way mission to rescue someone just because he asked.

== Questions ==
* What was the purpose of the seemingly random and disjointed flashbacks to Caprica City prior to the Cylon attack?
* Did any of the other former mutineers, besides Racetrack and Skulls, volunteer to participate in the mission?
* Has Cavil given up on the idea of salvaging Resurrection Technology?
== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]
* [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Antony Holland]] as [[Julius Baltar]]
* [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]
* [[Elan Ross Gibson]] as Nurse [[Barbara]]
* [[France Perras]] as [[Sandra]]
* [[Sarah Deakins]] as [[Cheryl]]
* [[Tiffany Burns]] as Reporter [[Carolyn]]
* [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]
* [[Stefanie Samuels]] as Police Officer
* [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1
* [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2

== References ==
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Talk:Sometimes a Great Notion/Archive 1

2009-01-23T03:28:04Z

Monupics:

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== Half-Season ==

Are we sure that Sometimes a Great Notion will be aired before the midseason break? I've seen the first half-season referred to as consisting of ten episodes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
: It's not on the SFC schedule, so I've removed it. Someone must've been overzealous in their addition of the airdates. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Writers ==

In the podcast for Revelations, RDM states that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson will be writing this episode. I though I should bring it up here rather than add it to the article as I'm a relatively new member here, and am still unfamiliar with the editing process.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 23:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
: That's all right, Pentagonal. Feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] take it upon yourself to add it, as long as it's [[BW:CJ|cited]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for the encouragement, but it wasn't so much that I was apprehensive to edit the page, but more that i'm not quite sure how. I really haven't taken the time to learn how to use the editing software, (which is something I'm planning on doing shortly) so i thought it best to bring it up here and have someone willing and able add it.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I added it. You can see the difference [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sometimes_a_Great_Notion&diff=165728&oldid=164802 here]. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Many thanks.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Episode Title ==

''The title of the episode comes from the blues song "Goodnight, Irene," in which the singer contemplates suicide: "Sometimes I get a great notion / to jump in the river and drown."'' Is this a fact? There's no citation. It's also the title of a song by John Mellencamp. [[User:Genji2000|Genji2000]] 17:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:And, though I don't know if it has to do with anything, the first line of the Mellencamp song, "Never give an inch," is a reference to ''Sometimes a Great Notion'', a novel by Ken Kesey. [[User:Capedia|Capedia]] 07:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::The episode title is a reference to Ken Kesey's novel -- [[User:Hufnmouth|Hufnmouth]] 22:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Buried Centurion Head ==

Was it just me, or did that uncovered centurion head found in the anthropological dig look like the centurion pictured here:http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:DeSanto_Singer_Project_Cylon.jpg ? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 08:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, that wasn't the head:Flatter face and no forehead ridge. -- [[User:Hufnmouth|Hufnmouth]] 22:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::It wasn't identical, but was still pretty similar. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 21:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

==Guest stars==

As an avid credit watcher I thought I'd point out that as of the very beginning of season 4 Michael Hogan, Aaron Douglas, Tahmoh Penikett, Michael Trucco, Alessandro Juliani and Kandyse McClure have all been credited as starring cast members. I've removed them from the guest star section for this episode accordingly.--[[User:Opark 77|Opark 77]] 11:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Just need a second verification and we should edit [[Season 4 (2008)]] as well. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 13:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Uh, if you're an avid credit watcher, as you say, then you should know that those name (give or takes a few) have been like that since "33". And it's not just this show that has this sort of thing. Nor, is it a recent trend; I can date the post star/pre-guest star credit thing back to a show from 1989 and few since. That's always been a thorn in trying to figure that out. I will say that if they're stars, then they're names wouldn't come and go based on an episode-by-episode basis like that seeing as how all the ones in the main credits remain regardless (with the exception of Katee's, but that was only to sell the whole "Kara is dead" thing). Until someone can convince me otherwise, I say they're co-stars, who just get upfront credits for some sort of contractual reason. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 17:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::As I understand it, '''Mars''', it's really nothing more than a monetary issue. The main cast, whose names are credited every week during the main opening credits sequence, are paid regardless of whether or not they actually shoot any scenes for the episode. A recurring or supporting character would not be credited if they weren't used in a particular episode, so they wouldn't have to be paid, but they would be credited before guest characters. A good example of this outside of BSG would be Teryl Rothery ("Dr. Fraiser") on Stargate SG-1. --[[User:Antarctic Fox|Antarctic Fox]] 17:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Resurrection and the split of the 13th Tribe ==

The dialogue in this episode about the "Final Five"'s previous lives on Earth reminded me of what Virtual said to Baltar n [[Fragged]], about how anyone who was killed on Kobol was dead forever. At the time, it seemed like a throwaway bit of Virtual Six's usual religious zealotry, but after Ellen Tigh's remark in Tigh's vision/flashback about everything being "in place" for their rebirth after the holocaust, I'm no longer so sure.

So, here's a bit of speculation. We know from the advance buzz on ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' that the origins of the Colonies' Cylons had to do with [[Daniel Graystone]]'s efforts to resurrect his daughter in an artificial body -- something that presumably would become a very, very controversial idea if applied on a large scale. Maybe that kind of controversy had something to do with the original departure of the Thirteenth Tribe from Kobol. Perhaps their resurrection system was outlawed on Kobol, leading to their exodus. The existence of the ancient probe in [[Torn]] supports the idea that resurrection technology may well have existed thousands of years ago; that episode really made the virus seem like a biological weapon, and the fact that it infected Cylons through the resurrection process may not have been accidental. Was it created to prevent the Thirteenth Tribe from ''leaving'' Earth to return to Kobol? (In that case, maybe what Ellen meant when she said "Everything is in place" was that some of the Thirteenth Tribe had figured out a way to circumvent the various defenses/mechanisms preventing them from rejoining the Twelve. {{unsigned|Argentla}}
:Hi Argentia. More people will hear about your thoughts in a place better built for it, so why not take your thoughts to [http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=2307 the Battlestar Forum episode thread?] (That way, the talk page is left free for questions about the formatting or proper interpretation of what should be in this article itself.) Lots of people are there to talk about it! --22:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

==Ron Moore's Commentary==
Ron's commentary accompanying SAGN is up on Hulu. He reveals a lot of the driving forces of the story - both in the mythology and in real-life. He also adds some commentary on the episodes framing which adds to the ugliness of the episode. Lastly, it appears Ron is partaking of some interesting "stuff" during the commentary. -- [[User:Hufnmouth|Hufnmouth]] 22:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Writer's Strike Ending ==

The little factoid that this episode could have served as series finale does not seem to be accurate, based on several other interviews with the cast and crew. Everyone else has referred to the midseason cliffhanger (Revelations) as being the last episode shot before the break, and the one that would make ''considerably'' more sense as a finale than this one. Can we correct what appears to be a numbering miscalculation? One such source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tvguide/396369_tvgif16.html. --[[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 00:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:That does appear to be just a numbering SNAFU, as I too understood that Revelations was the last episode shot and it does make a lot more sense. I'd say swap it and source it. If there's disagreement, we can have a "source war" in the talk pages, but I'm guessing that the newsfeed referenced on the page is the only one pointing to this as the finale, and it's not even really a direct quote. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:: RDM also mentioned in the podcast and the article referenced at [8] that this was the last episode shot before the strike. -- [[User:Raziel Anarki|Raziel Anarki]] 19:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Right you are. It's right there in that article. I have listened to the podcast yet, as I generally only listen to them as I'm transcribing them, and I've been on a hiatus of transcription. I was kinda hoping people would verify some of my existing transcripts before I came back, but that may never happen. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

== Location of Tigh's Flashback ==

i dont think that this is an apartment building as it is stated in the article. im pretty sure it is a bank and that they are safety deposit boxes and not mailboxes. my first reason is that saul looks professional, like he is at a place of work and not at home. second that the sounds make it sound like much more of a public place and with the glass it looks like offices. and third, there is money falling through the air in the scene in front of the safety deposit boxes. [[User:Bubx2700|Bubx2700]] 02:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:I thought it was a safety deposit box as well (which would lend well towards long term storage, if that's applicable. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:They are mailboxes. Safety deposit boxes a) typically have two keyholes: one for the box owner and one for the banker; and b) are secured inside a vault, not in a room with glass windows and door. --[[User:Monupics|Monupics]] 03:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Monupics

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Monupics: Some quick placeholder text

I'll get this page started now and circle back later (no, seriously) and add some content about myself.  I've been a reader of Battlestar Wiki as long as it's been around, but I finally created an account when my wife twisted my arm into doing a BSG-related podcast on sqpn.com.  -- [[User:Monupics|Monupics]] 21:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:The Destiny/Archive 1

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Monupics:

In which podcast did RDM state that Kara is not a Cylon? I don't remember any explicit statements in the [[Podcast:Crossroads, Part II|Crossroads, Part II podcast]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:14, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

:You're right. I'll remove the note, but I'm sure I heard it somewhere, dang it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:11, 21 April 2007 (CDT)
:David Eick did say in the [http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-starbuck4apr04,1,334914.story LA Times]:--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 14:28, 21 April 2007 (CDT)

"My goal was to mislead the audience into thinking Kara Thrace was a
Cylon," Eick said. Being a Cylon, after all, would mean that there
were many copies of her, and therefore Sackhoff could come back as a
different version of Starbuck.

There is a discrepency in the prophesies of the two hybrids (in "Razor" and in "Faith").  The First Hybrid says she will lead "the human race" to its end.  The hybrid in Faith says she will lead "them all to their end."  What does the discrepency mean?  I'm not sure, but I'm convinced it means something.  -- [[User:Monupics|Monupics]] 20:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)<br>

Talk:The Destiny/Archive 1

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Monupics: Slight misquote on page.