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Talk:The Oath/Archive 1

2009-02-15T06:35:52Z

Mmm...toasty: Guest director episode

Wasn't this the episode [[Kevin Smith]] was asked to direct?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 20:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Reading over the sources again, I can't find any specifics of the episode he was up for. But I might have missed something. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::The episode he was approached to direct was episode 418, production number 420, titled "Islanded in a Stream of Stars". He and a few others turned it down, so Edward James Olmos directed that one.-- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 06:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==Guest Stars==
Since the page is locked, I'll start it here:
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Harball" Seelix]]
* [[Vincent Gale]] as Chief [[Peter Laird]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Craig Veroni]] as [[Maldonado]]
* [[Michael Leisen]] as Private [[Stewart Jaffee]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Tauron Delegate|Tauron Delegate]] (credited as "Speaking Delegate #2)
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Hector Johnson]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Marine Lieutenant]] (uncredited)
{{unsigned|Ausir}}

:You didn't get the last name. I could barely read any of them myself, as always, but the last one was especially difficult because it wasn't familar. However, I was able to decipher the actor's name: [[Alain Chanoine]]. I also figured out his character is a marine, but again, due to unfamilarity, I can't tell what the name is. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 19:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

::Can anyone verify whether [[Aaron Kelly]] appears in this episode? I saw him credited on some websites, but don't recall seeing him in the episode (maybe he's only in the extended version?) [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 20:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmm.. is the guy whom Starbuck and Lee find crouching and Lee briefly aims at Kelly? His face isn't shown very clearly, so I'm not sure. I did expect him to shoot Lee in the back, though, and I thought Kelly would join the mutiny, if anything. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]]
::::Probably, but I do know the guy holding his gun left-handed leading the Marine fireteam to get Adama and Tigh ''is'' Kelly. For that matter, are we sure Johnson's Lt. is the guy holding Lee hostage?--[[User:Colonial Marine NCO|Colonial Marine NCO]] 20:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hmm, actually, I'm not that sure about the Lt. It's definitely him in "Disquiet", and here the marine looks similar, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll remove it for now until verification. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 20:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone get a picture of [[Alain Chanoine]]? Perhaps he's the "[[Unnamed_Galactica_and_Pegasus_crew_%28RDM%29#Headshot_Marine|Headshot Marine]]"? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 18:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
: There's one of him at his [http://www.tvrage.com/person/id-28875/ profile page] at TVRage. As you can see he can't be the abovementioned marine. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 07:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Should we include the timeline messages that were included with the show in the act's themsefls? I think they are very relevant. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Most of the mutineers from the Pegasus ==

The bulk of the mutineers seem to be former Pegasus crew (which isn't actually all that surprising). Should this be noted in the article? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Guess What's Coming to Dinner?/Archive 1

2008-07-02T01:19:56Z

Mmm...toasty: /* Craig Veroni */ Both Maldonado and Nowart are in the episode.

==Into the West==
I was just reading over the communique Brad just sent us, where he tells us that "Into the West" is not actually an episode of the fourth season, and I might know what happened. Apparently the source for the name of the episode comes from [http://thetvaddict.com/2007/06/27/more-battlestar-galactica-scoop/ this] report from an on-set reporter who glanced over a random script laying around, with the title "Into the West" on it back in June. With a little bit of research I discovered that frequent Battlestar director [[Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]] recently worked on project for Stephen Spielberg called "[http://alt.tnt.tv/itw/ Into the West]", and the writer for TV Addict might have glanced over one of Sergio's scripts. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 03:57, 30 November 2007 (CST)

== The "Deleted Discussions" tag ==

I removed the deleted discussions tag, since it was clear that this discussion page was originally the one for "Into the West", itself having been deleted. I did this to avoid any confusion. Thanks for the heads-up, [[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]]! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Two-parter? ==

According to imdb.com, this episode is the first half of a two-parter, which means "Guess What's Coming to Dinner part 2" will air next week, and Sine Qua Non airs only after that. Is that true? Do you have any information on this? -- [[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 18:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
: Well, it's a two-parter in the sense that there'll be a conclusion. However, the second part ''is'' "Sine Qua Non". Also, don't trust IMDb with new information... they for every one thing they get right, there are two to five things that are completely wrong, particularly for content that hasn't aired yet. (For instance, all the episodes for season 4.0 were credited as being written by RDM, when that isn't the case.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Two-parters don't have to have the same title. See "Scattered"/"Valley of Darkness", "Occupation"/"Precipice", "Torn"/"A Measure of Salvation" or "The Eye of Jupiter"/"Rapture". There are more episodes that are clearly connected, like the whole first few episodes of Season 2. And that's just on this show. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::Serenity, since I watch the same show, I am absolutely aware of that. Imdb just listed "part 2" and "Sine Qua Non" as two different episodes. And, well, this "part 1-part 2" naming also had some credibility because of "Crossroads". But yes, I totally understand that imdb is a lousy source for any information. :) Thanks for clarifying this. -- [[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 19:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, didn't check the site. In that case, it's just them being lazy again. The episode titles and order have been known for some time and confirmed by official sources. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::That source would be [[BW:OC#Season 4 Episode Titles|this one]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 21:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::At Caprica City we had been listing GWCTD as a two-parter for many weeks. If I'm not mistaken, our "source" was a KR post on Skiffy. It wasn't until several days ago that we realized all this confusion probably arose from the fact that May 23rd is Memorial Day. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 23:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::At last... Pedda is alive! :P yeah. I think it's pretty much confirmed by now that's it is a two-parter. There is so much stuff to be resolved, I doubt they can fit it in an hour show. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::According to the Faith podcast, Guess What's Coming to Dinner is the conclusion of a two-parter which started with Faith. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Missing cast ==

I filled the gaps in the guest cast best I could, but there are two last names I'm not positive about because it took some detective work just to make out the most of the names in the closing credits. I believe the penultimate is Craig Veroni - a Vancouver actor. The last appears to be Lee Jeffery (or Jeffrey) who has ties to the show... at least according to IMDb. So both seem likely to be correct educated guesses. Can anyone confirm? And, of course, add character names because I cannot make that leap. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 07:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Baltar and Gaeta ==

I disagree with this analysis in the article:

"Gaius Baltar is also drawn to see Gaeta, but the two do not interact; he is out of Gaeta's view and listening to him singing, suggesting that Baltar may have forgiven Gaeta for perjuring himself at Baltar's trial and for the earlier murder attempt."

I think that it's unreasonable to infer that from such a short scene with no dialogue between the characters. Should it be removed? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 09:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

: More than likely, the two don't interact. Otherwise, Gaeta would have been clearly agitated, given that Gaeta:

# perjured himself on the stand in an attempt to secure a guilty plea for Baltar that Roslin and Tigh had failed to do so;
# stabbed Baltar in the neck.

: Of course, once the podcast is released, we may learn more. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

::I take it that you agree it should be removed? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 18:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
==Possible Trial of Athena==

Roslin's, Athena's, and Caprica Six's shared visions were a prominent feature in [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]. We saw all three having them simultaneously culminating in Athena shooting Natalie. We saw Roslin discussing them with Lee, Starbuck, Baltar and Foster. It is a subject of Baltar's radio show. I think it is going to be a major issue of a President, now abducted by the Cylons from the Colonial's point of view, having visions with the Cylons. Now [[Romo Lampkin]] is due to appear in the very next episode. Now he could be there for the unmentioned alleged mutiny and the shooting of Gaeta by Anders or even any succession battle between Lee and Zarek, but I doubt it given the clear line of succession established for the Presidency and the total lack of reaction by the Command Staff of the Galactica to Gaeta being shot or the so-called mutiny. I think from all the described build up of "Visiongate" with the shooting of Natalie at its head will be a major plot point. I of course could be TOTALLY off base, but that is my analysis and I think I have cited evidence for it. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
: To be honest, I removed it because I firmly believe that it is totally off-the-wall that Athena would be charged with anything in a ''civilian'' court of law. She would be brought up on military charges, which fall under Adama's purview. Romo Lampkin's deals with the civilian end of things, hence the whole hoopla about laws in Season 3. (There was none of this hoopla during the tribunal way back in the first season, since that was military.) Beyond that, this is a case of people using disparate evidence to come to a weak analysis based on a two second clip of Romo Lampkin's wearing his shades... Quite frankly, I would remove the "trial" analysis point and merely ask "Will Athena be brought up on charges?" in the questions section... but as it stands right now, it should be removed, no matter how much lipstick is put on this pig. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::In real life under the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) a defendant can have outside civilian representation at a Court Martial if he pleases. Anyway you could be right and I am basing it on nothing and it could be related to something totally unrelated but I reiterate with all the build up with visions, Visiongate, and the lack of any mention of any legal proceedings regarding the alleged mutiny and/or Gaeta's shooting I think I am on pretty good grounds. Maybe Gaeta has come forward after all and Anders needs representation is the bases of Lampkin coming back with the next episode tilted [[Sine Qua Non]]. On the basis of the title alone '''some''' kind of major legal plot line is in the offing. Maybe Thrace was arrested on suspicion of aiding the Cylons in the President's abduction? That is a guess with even less to go on than my Athena angle. I do concede that another legal possibility is Tigh's apparent assault on Admiral Adama. It could be one thing to shoot a Cylon and be lightly punished for it, another to beat up the Admiral of the Fleet, so that is one real way Lampkin's services cold be needed. I don't think you can sweep that under the rug. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
: By the way, I really should have put this up for discussion before I deleted it. Sorry 'bout that. If people feel I've pulled a Cavil, let me know. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::I consider it a valid point. However, I think it's just too much analysis from too little to base it on. It's not that it's completely unlikely - it might happen - but mostly baseless from what we know at the moment. The stuff about the witnesses she uses in her defense could be removed for example. Saying that there is evidence that she truly experienced visions would be enough here IMO. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The question isn't whether there is evidence that she was truly experiencing visions-we the audience know that she is-but whether the in show characters have evidence to present in any in show trial. Lee, Thrace and Caprica Six can give evidence backing Athena's possible defense and what is their credibility given the backgrounds of the witness. And while the killing of a Cylon has been handled by the Colonials in a casual manner in the past, there is much more at stake now. The possible killing of Natalie has a greater significance to Fleet security than the killing of Boomer. Also, since this is an analysis of an episode, the episode and what we know up to and including that episode is what we got to work with, nothing beyond. In other words, we are not going to go back and modify the analysis of [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]] after [[Sine Qua Non]] airs because that is going beyond what we knew up to that episode. Similarly I am not going to include a possible scenario for Lampkin to come back that includes Tigh assaulting Admiral Adama because he doesn't do it in Guess What's Coming to Dinner but in the next episode. The possibility of a legal fall out and what that could be has enough basis in GWCtD. Often all we got is sketchy information in one episode because the answer often lies a future episode. If we had the answers or even good evidence clearly pointing to a plot solution there wouldn't be much need for analysis. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 17:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I know that's it's evidence from the characters' POV. That's what I meant. Still, that's all that's really needed here. Whether there are people who can act as witnesses in her defense is pretty irrelevant really unless there actually is a trial. For me, it's more interesting to point out that there may be reasons for a trial - or just an investigation - from both the Colonials' and Cylons' point of view and that Agathon has some arguments she can use in her defense. Analyzing the details of her hypothetical defense in a, yet, hypothetical trial is a bit over the top here. And with details I mean listing witnesses according to their credibility and availability. I wouldn't really remove much. Just the last two sentences, and only mention that those three people could support her story. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Question mark ==

As in there is a question mark punctuating the title on the SciFi website. Shouldn't the title here follow suit? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 11:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:No. Bradley Thompson gave us this title without the question mark, and the movie ("Guess Who's Coming to Dinner") also doesn't have the question mark. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::The title on the production script has a question mark at the end. I vote adding it. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 21:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm... If that's the case then, yes, add it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Moved the page. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 21:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Whew, done with the renaming. One of these days I'm gonna throw together a search&replace bot for this. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 21:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I have one with the interwiki bot. :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah but that uses the pywikipediabot, not the technically superior API ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::As long as you make it so you can interface bots on the Specialpage area, that would make it superior. Never have to go into Shell to run commands. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 13:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I could add a special page interface to my bots, good idea. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: <nowiki>:)</nowiki>[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 18:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::It is odd, though. "Guess what's coming to dinner," isn't a question. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== Roslin's Book ==

when I watched the episode I tried to burn into my skull the title of the book that Roslin brought with her in the Raptor to go see the Hybrid with Baltar. (camera pans down to her lap and you can clearly read the title). Not that it really matters, but in the pursuit of knowledge gathering it might be nice to note somewhere. Anyone remember the title...Seahawk something or something hawk? I'm at work at the moment and can't find a clip of the final few mins of the episode anywhere.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 14:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

: Nevermind, ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' its the same book that Adama started reading to her, guess she brought it as a confidence booster on her trip to the Basestar.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 14:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

::Good catch. RDM notes that the book is something you should keep your eye on in the "Escape Velocity" podcast. Quoth the showrunner: "This book will actually become an interesting little plot point, in and of itself, so keep your eye on the book, what happens to it, where it goes." Actually, if somebody hasn't already noted that quote on the ''Searider Falcon'' page, maybe we ought to. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== Craig Veroni ==

Was running through IMDb when I came across the alleged appearance of [http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0998268/ Craig Veroni] in this episode as a character named "Maldonaldo". Can anyone confirm this? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::Both Maldonado and Nowart are in this episode in non-speaking parts. They're kinda threaded through, appearing in the background in the assault on the baseship at the top, and escorting Laura at the end. You can see them both clearly in the baseship hangar, following as Laura sweeps past. Nowart's the tall, thin one. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 01:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

The Hub

2008-06-21T20:53:22Z

Mmm...toasty: /* Cylons */ Took out Leoben credit = deleted scenes hypothesis

:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''
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| title= The Hub
| season= 4
| episode= 9
| forumthread= 1262
| guests=
| writer= [[Jane Espenson]]
| story=
| director= [[Paul Edwards]]
| production= 411
| rating=
| US airdate= 06 June 2008
| CAN airdate= 06 June 2008
| UK airdate=10 June 2008
| dvd=
| oldpopulation= 39674
| population= 39673
| prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]
| next= [[Revelations]]
}}

== Overview ==

: ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub|battle plan]] to unbox the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''

== Summary ==

:''The episode takes place concurrently with "[[Sine Qua Non]]"

=== Teaser ===
* Starting off from the last events of "[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]", [[Laura Roslin]], [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] are brought before the rebel Cylon basestar's Hybrid. After a [[Number Eight]] reconnects the [[Hybrid]], she unexpectedly jumps the ship.
* During the jump, Roslin finds herself in empty corridors of ''[[Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki>. As she looks around, Elosha appears behind her. After they hug, the vision stops and Roslin finds herself back in the Hybrid's room. Roslin inquires after the Hybrid's abilities as the Eight tries to get information from the [[data-font]], however the Hybrid jumps the ship again, and Roslin finds herself back with Elosha in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> empty corridors. Roslin makes this observation, to which Elosha replies that it makes the ship feel bigger; Roslin further points out that the experience is strange, to which Elosha replies "many things are strange".
* The two end up in [[sickbay]], where the only occupied (and lit) bed is occupied by Roslin herself, who is dying.

=== Act 1 ===
*An [[Number Eight|Eight]] determines that the Hybrid is panicking due to [[Natalie]]'s injury. [[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to calm her, initially appearing to be successful, but the Hybrid jumps again. Roslin's vision continues, and she sees [[Kara Thrace]], Dr. [[Cottle]] and the Adamas standing over her bed. Elosha speaks to the dying Roslin, chastising her for her lack of empathy.
*The Eight tells [[Karl Agathon]] that the Hybrid is following the [[Resurrection Hub]] and discusses an attack strategy with him.
*When the Eight massages Agathon's back, he comments that [[Sharon Agathon|his wife]] learned to do so only after meeting him, and the Eight reveals that she accessed Athena's memories from her [[Rapture|last download]].
*Agathon speaks to Roslin in the Raptor. The president tells him that he is to bring [[Number Three]] directly to her and not to the Cylons.
*On the Resurrection Hub, a D'Anna Biers is awakened by [[Number One|Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], who tell her about the [[Cylon Civil War]] that was caused by her actions. Three makes a disparaging remark about the Eights' fickleness.

=== Act 2 ===
[[Image:411 Roslin and Baltar with Hybrid.jpg|thumb|Roslin and Baltar attempting to talk to the Hybrid about the [[Opera House]] vision.]]

*In the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] hangar, Agathon and an Eight give a mission briefing to a number of [[Number Six|Sixes]], Eights and Colonial pilots. Several pilots, notably [[Paolo McKay|Paolo "Redwing" McKay]] and [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]], express concerns about their safety and the reliability of the Cylon pilots. A Six rebuts that the rebel pilots are just as well trained as the humans, and the Eight reminds them that they learned to trust Athena, so they can also trust their rebel allies.
*Baltar and Roslin attempt to question the Hybrid with little success. They bicker and Baltar walks off, and then the Hybrid declares that a Three has been unboxed and jumps again.
*Continuing the vision, Elosha and Roslin walk through the hallways of ''Galactica''. Roslin speculates that Elosha and the visions are a manifestation of her subconscious. Roslin and Elosha see [[William Adama]] reading ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to the dying Roslin.
*After the jump, Baltar begins talking to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] about hierarchy and religion, asserting that the Centurion is loved by [[God (RDM)|God]] as well.
*Speaking to Roslin, Agathon is disappointed that she wants to betray the alliance between humans and Cylons, and thinks that they can trust the Eights. Roslin tells him that he shouldn't let the experiences with his wife cloud his judgment and orders him to carry out her request.

=== Act 3 ===
*On the Resurrection Hub, Boomer comments with alarm on the arrival of the rebel basestar. Cavil tries to convince Number Three to talk to the rebels and defuse the conflict, but she replies curtly and threatens to shout out the names of the [[Final Five]]. Boomer reports that the rebel basestar has launched 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s.
*Outside the Hub, the Heavy Raiders release the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] they have been towing behind them. The Raiders attack defending basestars, while the Vipers head towards the Hub.
*Cavil deduces that the rebels are attempting to destroy the Hub, and comments that doing so would be mass murder, and would make death permanent for Cylons. On hearing this Three breaks Cavil's neck and Boomer flees.
*Missiles destroy a node at the top of the Hub, taking out its FTL drive. Subsequently, Agathon and the Eight head towards the Hub in a [[Raptor]]. On the Hub, they encounter the D'Anna Biers and the dead Cavil. Seeing explosions around them, Agathon tells Three to run and grabs her arm.
*[[Eammon Pike]] panics as his Raptor is almost disabled and wants to jump back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Diana Seelix]] urges him not to, telling him that the Fleet is too far way. When Pike is initiating the jump, the Raptor his hit by fire from a Raider, hitting Pike in the chest, who manages to hit the jump button.
*On the Hub, Agathon hesitates upon seeing a number of inert Numer Eight bodies. The Eight tells him they should leave, and drags the objecting Three.
*Baltar continues to evangelize to the Centurion, but as the basestar is hit by a missile salvo, the explosion destroys the Centurion and seriously injures Baltar.
*Two Marines carry Baltar to a bed while Roslin carries in a [[medkit]]. Roslin orders them out, bandaging Baltar and injecting him with [[morpha]]. In his drug-addled state Baltar talks to Roslin about religion, telling her that he once harbored terrible guilt. Pressed on what that guilt is for he tells Roslin that he unwittingly gave the Cylons the [[CNP|access codes]] prior to the [[fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. He compares the fall to the flood [[Pythia]] spoke of, which wiped out most of humanity and rejuvenated them. Shocked by Baltar's confession, Roslin tries to kill Baltar by removing his bandages. As he loses blood he begs her to stop.

=== Act 4 ===
*Agathon announces that he has D'Anna Biers and orders a nuclear strike on the Hub. The Vipers fire nuclear missiles into the Hub, destroying it and at least one of the two enemy basestars.
*Baltar continues to beg for his life.
*There is another jump. In Roslin's vision, William Adama stands over a dying Roslin, while Roslin and Elosha watch them. Elosha convinces Roslin to show Baltar mercy, saying that humanity cannot be saved on a "case-by-case basis".
*With a sudden change of heart Roslin desperately checks to see if Baltar is still alive, then begins re-bandaging him.
*Aboard the basestar with the Three, Agathon argues with the Eight, saying that his orders are to take Three to the president. The Eight is upset and Three comments cynically that such double-crossing is a very human trait.
*Agathon brings Three to Roslin, who orders him out and tells him to not let anyone else in. Three immediately inspects the injured Baltar and speculates that he is likely to survive. When asked about the Final Five, she jokes Laura Roslin is one of them, but refuses to provide any information until she feels she is safe; the information being the only thing she has now that she is the only Three left in the universe. She says she will tell Roslin who the Final Five are after she is taken back to the human Fleet.
*Sometime later Roslin sits alone listening to the Hybrid. As the Hybrid jumps she has a final encounter with Elosha, whom she sees in the same room this time.
*Waiting in space, William Adama sees the basestar jumping in. In the landing bay, he meets Laura Roslin. He tells her that he missed her and she admits her feelings too, saying that she loves him. The two embrace.

== Notes ==

=== Story ===

* The [[survivor count]] at the top of the show notes the already established death on Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]], whose body is discovered in the [[Raptor]] that managed to jump to the Fleet. Other human fatalities are impossible to determine as a result of the battle.
* The events of this episode, starting from the [[Hybrid]]'s [[FTL|jump]] of the rebel [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in "[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]", and [[William Adama]]'s mission to stay behind in a Raptor awaiting [[Laura Roslin]]'s return spans two days. Ergo, the events of "[[Sine Qua Non]]" occur over the course of two days.
* Unlike previous episodes, this episode is part of the same overall story occurring concurrently with the episode before it (Sine Qua Non). The episode shows the events from the baseship's perspective, whereas "Sine Qua Non" shows the uncertainty and reactions to said uncertainty from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s perspective.
* Roslin and Adama have finally admitted their feelings for each other.
* Except for Roslin's visions and recap scenes from "Guess What's Coming to Dinner?", this is the first episode of the series in which nothing takes place on or near ''Galactica''.
* Baltar attempts to reopen the rapport he had established with the Hybrid in "[[The Passage]]".

=== Cylons ===

*[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode (appearing only in the recap at the beginning), and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle.
*There is only one [[Number Three]] in existence, and any possibility of [[Boxing|unboxing]] the others has been lost.
*With the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, the Cylons have permanently lost the ability to download into new bodies.
* As previously shown in "[[The Farm]]", [[Heavy Raider]]s are piloted by humanoid Cylons unlike the smaller autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]].
* This episode contains the first mention of [[Natalie]]'s name in dialogue.
* Cylon flight suits appear for the first time in this episode. However the Eight who flies with Helo wears a Colonial flight suit.

== Analysis ==

=== Characters ===

* Over the course of the series, the [[Number Eight|Eights]] have been notorious for shifting their alliances. [[Number Three]]'s comment about the Eight model's tendency to be passionate allies until they see "something shiny" seems to be yet another example of the fickle nature of the Number Eight model. A somewhat more direct observation of this fact is shown in "[[Faith]]" when [[Sharon Agathon]] denounces a group of Eights after hearing their desire to rebel against [[Natalie]] and the other [[Number Six]] models.
* Roslin's suspicions of Baltar, which she has had since "[[Epiphanies]]" (and had a vague inkling of in "[[Six of One]]") have finally been confirmed.
* Roslin enters a hallucinatory trance state as the basestar jumps about wildly. Roslin has not previously experienced this sensation during the Fleet's jumps, although Kara Thrace underwent something similar in "[[He That Believeth In Me]]". Moreover, [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] exhibited symptoms of vertigo during ''Galactica's'' first jump in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]].
* In Roslin's vision of her impending death, she is attended by Bill and Lee Adama, Cottle, and Kara Thrace. Considering Roslin and Thrace's last interaction in "[[Six of One]]", and the fact that prior to that, they had not worked together since "[[Home, Part II]]", it is surprising that Thrace is included in this scene at all. After Bill Adama, she is probably closer to Tory Foster, who is absent from the scene, than to either Thrace or Lee Adama.

=== Cylons===
* There are some questions regarding the sharing of memories that are re-introduced by this episode (having been introduced in "[[Downloaded]]"). In this episode, the Number Eight who downloaded [[Sharon Agathon]]'s memories notes that her memories are accessible by the others. This correlates with the fact that Agathon was killed and downloaded in "[[Rapture]]", thereby adding her memories to their repository. However, in some earlier episodes (e.g. "[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Home, Part II]]", "[[Scar]]"), Agathon has access to [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]]'s memories, but was never killed or resurrected up to that point. It can be inferred that Cylons can share memories outside of the download and resurrection process; how Valerii was able to do this after leaving [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] is unknown.
*Given that this episode confirms that downloaded Cylon memories can be shared (though the data must be accessed first, so it is not an involuntary process), it is left unexplained why it is necessary to entirely resurrect Number Three and attack the Hub when her memories could simply be accessed by another Cylon from a central database. This would be possible if the memory data was shared across basestars as standard operating procedure. The only explanation is that no Cylon accessed her memories after she downloaded from the Temple of Five ([[Rapture]]), and boxing that Three's consciousness placed her memories into cold storage on the Resurrection Hub with no external access possible from that point onwards. It is also possible that only Cylons of the same model can access each other's memories.

=== The Battle ===

* The battle in this episode bears a striking resemblance to "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]". In both episodes, a shaky alliance between ''Galactica'' and another force (''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'') [[Battle for the Resurrection Ship|takes on]] an ostensibly irreplaceable Cylon resurrection facility by first disabling its FTL capability and then engaging it directly with fighters. Furthermore, both sides plan to double-cross each other after the successful execution of the attack.
*It is not explained why the Vipers need to be towed to attack the Hub when the Cylon Raiders could simply attack it, as they do not alert the Cavil faction's forces until they are within striking distance. The only advantage to towing the Vipers in is that it allows a larger attack force to get within range quicker rather than wait to launch in stages.
*Despite the Vipers being tasked to take out the Hub's FTL by being towed ahead of the main attack, it is a Raptor that provides the killing blow, although Viper fire is seen damaging the FTL drive earlier. This makes little sense unless the Raptor was towed in too.
* Karl Agathon's Raptor is closely escorted by several Vipers flying very close as it boards the Hub. This tactic has not been seen before, and could be a method of masking the Raptor's DRADIS signature from the surrounding Vipers. Certainly the Cylons seem unaware of the Raptor's presence.
*The Hub is unarmed, and appears empty of any guards, although it is possible the Eight with Agathon are able to disable any internal defenses. The lack of a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]] escort seems to be a questionable decision otherwise.

== Questions ==

=== About the Hub ===

*What role does the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]] play in the proper functioning of other [[Resurrection Ship]]s? Why are these apparently vital functions centralized?
*Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another? If the Cylons are capable of building a new Hub, how long would it take them?
*Why is the Hub so poorly defended by Cavil's faction?
*Does [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] make it off the Hub before it is destroyed?
*Why didn't the Vipers simply magnetically grapple themselves to the underside of the Heavy Raiders, instead of relying on tow cables?

=== About the Cylons ===

*How will Cavil's condescending attitude toward Sharon Valerii ("Pet Eight") affect her?
*Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?
*Have other Eights have accessed Athena's memories as well?
*How do other living Cylons (presumably of the same model) access and absorb the memories of downloaded Cylons?
*Will Agathon inform his wife that other Eights have been accessing her memories? If so, will this affect their relationship?
*What will happen to the rebel Cylons and their baseship? ([[Revelations|Answer]])
*How will the rebel Cylons respond to Roslin's deception regarding [[Number Three]]?
*Will the Cylons—especially with Natalie dead—return to their earlier plan of taking hostages in order to gain access to Three? ([[Revelations|Answer]])
*How will Sharon Agathon and [[Caprica-Six]] react to learning of the Hub's destruction?

=== About the Humans ===

*Is Roslin's vision of [[Elosha]] related to other characters' [[Virtual beings|internal manifestations]], such as Baltar's [[virtual Six]] or simply a manifestation of Roslin's subconsciousness, as Roslin believes? Or is it the Hybrid speaking to her as Elosha between the jumps, or the spirit of the real Elosha?
*What will happen to Baltar now that his guilt regarding the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack on the Colonies]] has been revealed?
*Is Baltar's evangelizing of the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] genuine or an attempt to obtain a useful ally? Does the Centurion fully understand Baltar's intentions?
*Could Baltar's actions have any adverse effects on the thoughts of the other Centurions in some way?
*Will [[Lee Adama]] relinquish the presidency back to Laura Roslin? ([[Revelations|Answer]])

== Official Statements ==




== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[D'Anna Biers]] has just been unboxed and resurrected and is in the tank. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii and Cavil are present. After being told that the Eights are on the opposite side of the Ones (Cavils) in the Cylon Civil War, Three inquires as to why Boomer is there:''
:'''Biers''' [looks at Boomer directly]: Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the other side? [Boomer looks sternly at Three]
:'''Cavil''': Boomer is my "Pet Eight". She has seen the light of reason. An Eight can make a passionate ally.
:'''Biers''' [contemptuously]: Oh, until she sees something shiny! [Boomer's expression is stern]

*''Laura Roslin and [[Karl Agathon]] are discussing the possibility that a Three has been unboxed. Agathon disagrees with her plan to keep Three from the Cylons and doesn't think that the Cylons would betray them like that.''
:'''Karl Agathon''' [shaking his head]: No, no, I don't think so. Not the Sharons, the Eights.
:'''Laura Roslin''' [patiently but firmly]: Captain, you are not married to the entire production line. I cannot afford to be sentimental right now. I cannot afford you to be sentimental either. If you can't do this job, find me someone who can.

* ''Aboard Karl Agathon's Raptor after the destruction of the Resurrection Hub:''
:'''D'anna Biers:''' And with a whimper, every Cylon in the universe begins to die.
:'''Number Eight:''' Yes, that's right, and it's a good thing, D'Anna, because now there's no difference. We can all start trusting each other.

* ''In Roslin's vision, as Roslin and [[Elosha]] watch Adama stand over a dying Roslin:''
:'''Elosha:''' I'm not saying Baltar's done more good than harm in the universe; he hasn't. The thing is, the harder it is to recognize someone's right to draw a breath, the more crucial it is. If humanity is going to prove itself worthy of surviving, it can't do it on a case by case basis. A bad man feels his death just as keenly as a good man.
:'''Laura Roslin:''' What do you want from me here?
:[Adama appears at dying Roslin's bedside]
:'''William Adama:''' Laura.
:'''Elosha:''' Just love someone.
:'''Laura Roslin:''' Love." Huh!'
:[Life monitor flatlines]
:'''William Adama:''' You go. You go. You go to your rest now. [Sobs] I'm not gonna be selfish anymore. You go. Rest.

* ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other on the basestar's hangar deck:''
:'''Adama''': Missed you.
:'''Roslin''': Me too.
:'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: I love you.
:'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: About time.

* ''[[Gaius Baltar]]'' reveals to Roslin his guilt over the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|original attacks on the Colonies]]:
: "[[Pythia]] talks about a flood that wiped out most of humanity. Nobody blames the flood. The flood is a force of nature. Through the flood, mankind is rejuvenated -- born again. I was not a flood, you see. I blamed myself... I blamed myself. But God had made the man who made that choice. God made us all perfect. And in that thought, all my guilt flies away -- flies away like a bird."

* ''Number Three answering Laura Roslin's question:''
: '''D'Anna Biers''': Suppose you've got some questions for me.
: '''Roslin''': Yes I do. I'd like to talk about the five Cylons in my fleet.
: '''Biers''': So you know about the Final Five?
: '''Roslin''': I know they're supposed to know the way to Earth.
: '''Biers''': But you don't know that you're one of them.
:[Roslin freezes shocked]
: '''Biers''': [Bursting out laughing] Please your face! [Roslin looks relieved and smirks] Oh, it's ridiculous. No. Look, I'm not giving you any names. Not until I feel like I'm safe. 'Cause information is all I got, sweetie.

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]] / [[D'Anna Biers]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
*[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]
*[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]] / [[Cavil]]
*[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
*[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]
*[[Lee Jefferies]] as Lieutenant [[Paolo McKay|Paolo "Redwing" McKay]]
*[[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]

== References ==
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==Picture==

Where is it from? Are there more? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:http://www.bsg.cz/4-09-hub-promofotky-3 -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Thanks! I wonder why there are none for Sine Qua Non so far. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::: Can anyone identify the gun Cavil is holding there? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 14:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::: Looks like a Walther PPK actually...the shape of it is a dead giveaway. -- [[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 09:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::: Maybe we should change the picture; unless I missed it (which seems unlikely, as I pay extra attention when Cavil's on screen), that scene didn't make the final cut of the episode. Something from the episode would be nice: the Hub, D'Anna, maybe even Elosha. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Read my mind. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

==The The==
The SciFi website omits the preceeding "The" from the episode title. Just bringing it up because I'm of a lower class with no ability to move pages and the such. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 11:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:"The Hub" was confirmed by Bradley Thompson, so I guess it's the correct title. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::NBC Universal's Media Village says "Hub", too, and they were right with the one-L "Traveled", too. "Hub" would be a painfully dull title, though. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 16:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::How did these two sites report "'''The''' Road Less Traveled"? With our without the "the"? In this case, it's obviously a Biblical quote and the "The" is clearly supposed to be there. And yeah, no one in their right mind would call an episode "Hub". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 18:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::''no one in their right mind would call an episode "Hub".'' – Eh... why not? –[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 03:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The episode is titled "The Hub"... we knew this months ago, thanks to [[BW:OC|our own source]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

==Teaser==
I'm sure anyone who's seen this knows by now, but just in case... In the teaser from "[[Sine Qua Non]]", D'anna says something like "You didn't know you were one of the final five", then' Laura Roslin is shown.
I avoid spoiler blogs & the like, so I don't know: Intentional, or too obvious? –[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 04:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:That could easily be some clever editing. As we saw in Sine Qua Non, the conversation between Tigh and Adama was much longer before Tigh hit Adama, but the preview made it look like Tigh hits him right after Adama asks him what he was thinking re: C-Six. There are no guarantees that those two share a scene in the episode, but we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]]•[[User talk:Kevin W.|So say we all]] 18:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah. Drawing anything from this is completely ridiculous. Promos are often very misleading. Sometimes deliberately, but often there just isn't the time to convey any real meaning. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::IMO she's probably talking to Anders. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think Anders is there. I think she's messing with Roslin. We know they share scenes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Anders ain't anywhere, it seems... Odd. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Callum Keith Rennie is in the episode ==

He appears right at the beginning, when everyone is still kind of hanging around the hybrid.
: You're right. He doesn't have any lines though. Also, I'm pretty sure that's the same footage from the episode where they first jump away. I guess they couldn't get him for the episode, but he got credit for standing around he'd done already. I don't have the earlier episode on me right now. Can anyone confirm that is the same scene (and not a reshoot), and then we can update the details about CKR's absence. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:: The scenes are from "Guess What's Coming For Dinner?"... there's nothing new there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::: An actor gets credited in an episode if they actually appear when it airs. If an actor's only scene gets cut from the show, then no credit. Recaps don't count, obviously, otherwise the credits would go into act 2 :). Callum got a credit because, as someone has pointed out, he appears at the head of the episode. I'm taking out that part of the notes, if no one objects. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 19:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, "[[Razor]]" is another example of several actors being credited despite not appearing in ''either'' version of the movie or any recap (weirdly, Trucco is being credited, despite not even having any logical role in the thing). And Rennie doesn't appear in the actual episode. He's really only in the recap. Unless it's somewhere far in the background where you can't really see him. Which still points to more substantial scenes being deleted. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Boxey in "Water", anyone? :) Conner had a bunch of scenes that got cut, so no credit.
:::::Razor's creds had a lot of errors, mostly because of the different versions simultaneously being worked on. There are the actors that only appeared in the webisodes that Paul added to the DVD credits because he thought it'd be a nice thing to do, since they have no credits.
:::::And the post coordinator would like everyone to know that she had nothing to do with the Razor credits and that they do not meet her exceedingly high standards. Anybody bringing it up to her can expect to have a "Cally" done on them. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 22:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

== Rebuilding the hub? ==

> Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another?
> Are the Cylons capable of building a new Hub, and if so, how long it would it take them?

My personal theory is - they can have more than one, and they can rebuild it, but it takes considerable time and resources, too much to have another one ready before the end of the war.

On the other hand - maybe it is possible to modify / reconfigure Res Ships to not require the Hub to coordinate them?

[[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 04:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

: Maybe the reason the cylons cannot rebuild it, is because it was built by whoever pogrammed/created the humanoid cylons in the first place, and they just weren't implanted with the knowledge required (similar to the knowledge of the final five). This may be evidenced by the fact that the resurrection facilities share a different design "philosophy" than the rest of the cylon fleet. [[User:Raziel Anarki|Raziel Anarki]] 15:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:: I though about that too, but somehow it just doesn't fit. I think operating / maintaining the resurrection ships, especially growing the spare bodies, keeping them in perfect condition and ready when needed, would require enough knowledge to rebuild it. Also note the resurrection ships are clearly both an important target and a limited resource, but there are no implications that they can't be rebuild. Cylons are able to dumb down the Raiders and smart up the Centurions, so it's not like they only use what they have, they obviously know a lot, even if not all, of their own inner workings. As for the knowledge of the final five - I think they have it, it's just repressed somehow, waiting for a trigger. I suspect when confronted with hard evidence they'll know "just like that". Yes, I do realize these aren't exactly strong arguments. [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 13:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== Airlocked? ==

How come this page wasn't kept airlocked until the British release date, but Sine Qua Non was kept airlocked until the American and Canadian release date? I thought the entire point was to keep the page locked down until the episode had been fully released. Doesn't this portray double standards? [[User:Otterstat|Otterstat]] 10:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
: The episode was first released on Friday in America, not on Tuesday. (SciFi told SkyOne to not release the episode early... long story.) The point of locking down the pages is to prevent multiple people from bum-rushing the episode page after it had aired with edits, which degrades the performance of the wiki's server. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

:: Aye I know, and the British release date has been pushed back to Tuesday, so the roles are exactly reversed - what I'm saying is that last week the page was locked until the episode had aired in America, but this week it was unlocked straight after it was aired in America despite not having been aired in Britain yet. I thought another reason it was airlocked until the episode had aired in both areas was: "Locking articles give everyone a chance to watch the episode before a wiki visit could spoil that." I'm just a bit confused as to why it's been un-locked prior to the episode being aired in Britain, is all. Edit: To follow on from this, does this mean it is okay in the future for me to un-airlock a page if it has been aired in Britain first but not America and Canada? Because that's basically what happened here... [[User:Otterstat|Otterstat]] 14:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Let me put it to you this way, just over half of our audience is American. The other half is oversees, with less than a quarter of that half being from the UK. We actually get a lot more traffic from Canada and Germany than we do the UK...

:::Further, we always airlocked the pages for the American airings, because that's when the Wiki is hardest hit... after US airings. Not UK airings. And, actually, "Sine Qua Non" proved that, because the traffic was more evenly distributed between the two air dates for that episode. You can see some of this statistical data for yourself [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org here]. Also, to answer your question, you don't have the permissions needed to lock our unlock pages; that's an ability only the chiefs have. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

== psych! ==

Can we get Three's joke at Laura's expense in the Notable Dialogue section? I can't remember it word by word myself. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)`

: There we go. What an amazing moment. If there's any problems with how I formatted it, feel free to tweak it. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 23:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Deleted scene or misplaced promo image? ==
I don't remember seeing Cavil holding a gun or wearing a hat, and we have had production number related misunderstandings before. Do we know that this image is from The Hub (episode 9, production number 411) and not [[Sometimes a Great Notion]] (episode 11, production number 413)? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:It's not a mistake. This is not the first time that promo images from (later) deleted scenes were released. For example "[[Torn]]" had one or two with Doral, Boomer, Six and Hera in a church, and "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" had a scene with Thrace interrogating Leoben. They are on the DVDs and summarized [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)|here]]. We should chose a different picture, but the other promo pics for the episode aren't really any good. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:I can grab something from the HD version... Any ideas? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe a wide shot of the Cylon and human pilots assembling? -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Accessing other's memories ==

*In the Analysis section there is this:

:"....However, earlier in Season 1, Agathon somehow has access to Sharon "Boomer" Valerii's memories, but was never killed or resurrected in the Miniseries. There is no explanation for this, other than an inference that Cylons can share memories outside of the actual download and resurrection process; how Valerii was able to do this after leaving Caprica is unknown."
:----
:It is right we never heard in the series how the then Caprica Sharon, now Sharon "Athena" Agathon, got a hold of Sharon "Boomer" Valerii's memories but I think it is not much of a leap to say that as a undercover infiltration agent Valerii was killed a number of times at regular intevals by the Cylons off screen probably during her shore leaves. Tyrol and Valerii had a torrid relation ship for a long while before the attack we know. Valerii had been stationed on Galactica for two years prior to the attack, that is plenty of time to kill her repeatedly. We have seen how the Cylons were blasé about death and resurrection. Remember how the Three in the bombed parking garage casually offered to Caprica Six to kill her because C-6 had a broken leg? If they could do that then no big deal; just kill Boomer, her memories download in to the communal repository (as well as a new body) and send her off again thinking she was human. Meanwhile have the future Athena absorb somehow Boomer's memories. Now the question is how does a living Cylon absorb the downloaded memories. In fact, I think I will put that up as a new question. Does Athena-or the Eight in ''The Hub''-have to die first? Of course we will have to wait to see it in the series for these questions can be answered in canon. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, this does not explain how Agathon has Valerii's memories of abandoning Karl Agathon on Caprica. There's really no wiggle room there for her to "die", particularly as she lifts off with a bunch of survivors, including Boxey. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 06:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It depends on the wording and context. Did she say that as a cover story? It could be, and I sure it is, as simple as other Cylon agents could had seen Helo and their agent Boomer part after he gave up his seat to Baltar and they told Athena by simple conversation about Boomer leaving Helo behind. We have seen the other Cylons observe Helo and they did report to each other verbally so I think it can be easy said that The Cylons simply told Athena just like a normal human would tell another human. I have to see either the scene or the transcript of the scene to be sure. What episode was that scene in? [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::: Athena didn't verbally claim to have Boomer's memories of leaving Helo behind, she had a flashback to it. Boomer could conceivably have been killed sometime before returning with the refinery ship to the fleet, followed by a Raider, but we don't know if that's necessary. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::What episode was that? The flashback I mean. And what episode was the refinery ship she was coming back from in (I remember a lot but have forgotten a lot too). I'll check. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 01:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::: The former, Flesh and Bone. The latter, the Miniseries. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks! I will check it out. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Apologies for not discovering this discussion earlier, but I added" [[Flesh and Bone]]" (20 mins in) for the flashback and also "[[Home, Part II]]" (15 mins in) as Agathon's verbal description of having Boomer's memories. These seem to be the exceptions - in the later series, it's a "download only" thing. [[User:Serenity|Serenity]], you say "[[Scar]]" is also relevant? -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Depends on what you mean by relevant. It's just a very obvious example where she recalls Boomer's memories. Specifically her time as pilot on ''Galactica'' ("Yeah, I remember. You were like a big sister to..."). This is just about a few examples to illustrate the point. There may be more, but more than two or three aren't really necessary to say that such a thing did happen. It's not even necessary to find the earliest ones. But just listing the episodes and saying "earlier in the series" is probably better than just "in Season 1" -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Again I have to answer someone through another person but it is necessary. To "Xlynx" and "Noneofyourbusiness": I checked out the Flashback scene in "Flesh and Bone" of Caprica Sharon (Athena) running through the forest back to Helo after she was given orders to either settle down with him on Caprica of kill him. During her run back there was a montage of scenes. All of them were Athena's memories of her on Caprica with Helo-except one. The one is when she is depicted taking off in the Raptor leaving Helo behind. That was supposed to be Sharon "Boomer" Valerii, not the future Athena. However, not to be difficult, that could had been a production error since it is so brief and so far the only example. Is there another example if so then one can start to say it means something but I admit it is there.
:::::::::As to the when she was in her cell in ''Home, part II'' of her reminiscing with Starbuck in her cell, sure she has Boomer's memories of Starbuck being a big sister to her no one disputes that Cylons shared memories; it was '''''HOW''''' they do it, touch telepathy, remote telepathy or only though asorbing memories after someone dowloads. In this case the "Big Sister" memory of Boomer's there is nothing to specifiy when that memory happened. It could had happened anytime before the attack in the two years Boomer was stationed on Galactica and Athena could had accessed Boomer's "Big Sister" memories any time before the attack as well. Boomer's memories as I said in and earlier post could had been downloaded in to a master database at regular intervals when Boomer was killed regularly delivering, unbeknownst to her, progress reports, so where her memories of Tyrol. Athena had plenty of time to access those.
:::::::::What makes the brief flashback scene of Athena taking off and leaving Boomer behind on Caprica is that there wasn't apparently enough time for Boomer to be killed in transit with Baltar & co. to Galactica and download her memories for Athena to absorb and Boomer to rejoin the fleet, but I said it could be a production error. Now I was told by "Serenity" that Boomer was sent to a refinery ship after dropping off Baltar and the other passengers on Galactica. That would be on Day 1 or 2 of the attack I ''think''. The Flashback scenes Athena was having on Caprica as she ran though the forest happened on day 25. It is conceivable that Boomer was killed between heading to or back from the refinery ship, downloading and then the Cylon repositioned with her new body to fly back to Galactica.
:::::::::It is all a matter of timing. We have to track both Boomer's and Athena's movements in the first few days after the attack very carefully (it would only be a few days since Boomer would had had to stay with the Fleet at some point). Meanwhile until more evidence emerges either way I still lean to the explanation of a production error. Some editor got their Eights confused LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 03:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Boomer dying, resurrecting and re-infiltrating the Galactica off-screen without being noticed on multiple occasions times is ''possible'', but IMO it's sufficiently implausible to count as [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]. IMO the most likely explanations are that there is a non-lethal form of memory sharing or that the flashbacks were just the other Eight imagining or [[projection|projecting]] based on a description from one of Boomer's subconscious reports, and the flashbacks were in third person and completely accurate because third person flashbacks are one of the genre conventions of film and television, and because reusing existing footage for flashbacks is far easier than justifying the budget allocation necessary to re-shooting the scenes in first person, particularly if the latter option would require new set construction or greenscreening due to the fourth wall. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::None the less I watch the scene in which Athena flew back to the Refinery ship to escort it back to the fleet. on the way there she was alone, no one was with her and there is no time indication that I saw that showed how long she was gone, so it is at least plausible she could had been taken or her hidden Cylon programming activated to take a detour to a Baseship killed resurrected and sent back out to keep her appointment with the refinery ship. That way Athena could had had access to Boomer's download files almost at anytime in the next 23 or so days and incorporated Boomer's post attack memories into hers. I admit there is NO evidence for that but it is plausible especially with her hidden programing protocols taken into account. as to fanwanking, I am not saying this is for a fact what happened but discussing what is plausible given the evidence, the purpose of the discussion site. As to the fourth wall, well we know of some of BSG's history before the attack including that Boomer was a pilot for a long time before so we don't have to restrict our explanations to only to what was shown on screen, just keep it within the bounds of available evidence that HAS been shown on screen. If you believe that it is implausible for Boomer to have been killed multiple times off screen before the attack, then it is implausible for people to thing that the Cylons are touch or remote telepaths, because there has been nothing shown on screen to support that. And if there is no evidence of that then what is left? What we do know through the Eight's statement in ''The Hub'' about her absorbing Athena's memories after her last download. In order to do that a Cylon must die. That is the evidence that we have right now. Therefore Boomer must had died at some point between the Fleet and the refinery ship when she was alone in order for the future Athena to have that first hand memory of her taking off from Caprica and leaving Helo behind. And how do they absorb those memories? From the evidence we have now through a datastream. Is that a dead on certainly yet? No, but we have a '''''hell''''' of a lot more evidence for that than the telepath hypothesis. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Agreed - whether a plot inconsistency or deliberate, it ''is'' implied on multiple occasions during the earlier seasons that memory sharing is possible without download, though there's still (intentionally) much mystery surrounding the Cylon's non-human abilities. To say there was both a production error in the flashback ''and'' unseen deaths is fabricating plot, so this topic should remain unless future episodes clarify these abilities. No one is saying it definitely happened, we're just saying there's an apparent inconsistency, and that is noteworthy. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::But I am not saying "and", I am saying both are a possibility given the lack of evidence for touch/remote telepathy. My theory of Boomer being killed periodically and downloaded for her memories as she was an agent is not fabricating a plot. It is a theory based on the evidence we have heard and seen. Am I saying '''definitely''' that happened? No. Can it be contradicted by later evidence? Yes. Again it is not a question of if they share memories, they do. It is '''How'''. I am saying given what evidence we know now there is no touch/remote telepathy. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::The scene in "[[Home, Part II]]" is actually when she's talking to Helo in their camp on Kobol. It's toward the 16 min mark. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I just reviewed both the transcript and the video and what I said before still stands. She had plenty of time to absorb those memories of getting her first wings and her first trip to ''Galactica'' and such long before the attack on the Colonies and the start of the show. The point is not whether the do or not share memories, that is a given, they do, again it is '''''How''''' they do it and there is no evidence of either touch or remote Wifi like telepathy. Caprica Sharon (Athena) most likely got Boomer's memories the available evidence shows is like how the Eight described how she got Athena's memories in ''The Hub''; Athena accessed Boomer's memories after her last download, either in a Baseship or a planet side datastreem like we saw in ''Exodus Part II''. Did we see it? No, but that is what the available evidence says happened, and the available evidence also says that living Cylons stick their hands in a datastream of some type to do so. Do we know that for sure? No, but that is what the evidence is telling us. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

It has often been implied that the Cylons have some easy (and invisible) way of sharing information with other members of their model. See [[Precipice#Analysis]] where Athena comments "I'm not wired in. It doesn't work like that". When Boomer was a sleeper agent she could have been "wired in" without knowing it. Alternatively, another Cylon infiltrator in the fleet could somehow have accessed her memories and transmitted them at opportune moments. Alternatively, the part of Boomer who knew she was a Cylon could have transmitted information during the moments she was "at the helm". I don't think it has ever been implied that death and resurrection is a necessary precondition for the sharing of memories. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 21:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:I think there just was in ''The Hub'' itself that death is necessary when the Eight told Helo she accessed Athena's memories after her last download. I believe that '''''is''''' what the then called Caprica Sharon (Athena) meant when she told Roslin that "....it doesn't work like that." The way it work is that a Cylon has to die download into the communal data bank and then the curious Cylon could absorb the resurrecting Cylons memories. I myself believe they have to stick their hand into a data stream just like they do when monitoring the Hybrid (and when Young William Adama in ''Razor'' stuck his hand in that primitive Cylon resurrection tank like pool just before the First Cylon War ended).
:I read the Precipice Analysis and there is no evidence of a wireless transmittable way for Cylons to share memories at a distance, just a lot of speculation without evidence. If the Cylons could share info ESP like then Pegasus wouldn't had been so successful in their hit and run tactics against the Cylons with Gina on board; also Gina after she excaped could had told where Galactica was with out setting off a nuke.

:Galactica be wouldn't had been able to hide even for a while with the Doral, Leoben and D'anna Biers in the fleet or an extended period of time. Instead, in the original miniseries they relied on a transmitter that Gaeta found that wasn't familiar equipment.

:The Cylons in the movie theater on Caprica wouldn't had to rely on using Raiders to relay footage of Athena giving birth to know that she was alive. They would had known that by taping into D'anna's memory of her seeing her.

:Now the Hybrid has some ESP powers because it sensed the distress of Natalie being shot and as the Eight said panicked and '''JUMP!'''(ed). Also humanoid Cylons can vaguely sense when their own kind is near, like how Caprica Six told Roslin that the Final Five was in the fleet but can't tell she was making love to one (Tigh). Similarly (almost) Athena couldn't tell Anders and Tyrol were two of the Finals when she spoke to the rookie Anders when they were about to go into battle in the nebula. However, I do concede that the Finals are different from the recently created Cylons, but then there is this case most tellingly: When the Fleet captured a Cavil after he came back from Caprica with the Caprican Resistance and Anders. He couldn't tell that they already had another One in custody (the one that consoled the troubled Tyrol). He tried to maintain his innocence until they opened a door and there he sat, the jig was up. All this tells me they can't anymore read each other's minds-even their own model's minds-anymore than we can. "It doesn't work like that." [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 01:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::''I think there just was in The Hub itself that death is necessary when the Eight told Helo she accessed Athena's memories after her last download.'' Death and resurrection may be a ''sufficient'' condition without being a ''necessary'' one. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 08:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::None of this evidence refutes the possibility of voluntary memory sharing through datastream terminals or physical contact. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Could it be possible for two live Cylons to stick their hands in a data stream and absorb each other's memories? Sure, but my point and I think the point of the analysis was whether they had ESP like abilities. They didn't and circumstances say they don't. As for them being touch telepaths we have seen no evidence specifically to prevent that possibility but we also have seen no evidence to support it either. At least we have the evidence of them controlling the Hybrid with the data stream and my example of young William Adama putting his hand in a Cylon tank to support the possibility of them sharing memories like that. We have seen them talking among themselves like normal people sharing ideas that way. No Cylon Mind Meld. If they could share memories with a mere touch we would had seen it by now. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 02:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::We sort of have. Consider the behavior of the various distinct Cavil models at the beginning of season 3, in which Ellen uses sex with one Cavil to bribe a different one to release Saul. Also, consider the way individuals in each model seem empowered to act as "speaker" for the entire line without, as far as we've seen, conducting some kind of physical poll. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not necessarily, we long known that the models act in unison, that they all think alike (except for the ones with extensive human contact) Individualism as we know it didn't exist with Cylons but that doesn't mean they use touch to convey memories and thoughts. And yes, they very like develop group consensus off screen polls within their model line and vote as a mass, but again not evidence of touch telepathy, just maybe great conference calling. :-) [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
What if the Eight who was shot in "Faith" who reached out to Athena for physical contact was attempting a memory transfer before she died? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:If they can transfer memories by touch, the Six in Faith could've transferred her memories to [[Natalie]]. Anyway, we know that Cylons can interface with [[datastream]] terminals by touch, we know that a living Cylon's knowledge and memories cannot be accessed against their will ([[Home, Part I]]), we know that the resurrection process produces some form of memory backup which other copies of the same model can access against their will ([[The Hub]]) and we know that the Eight who would become Sharon Agathon had some of Boomer's memories ([[Flesh and Bone]]). We don't know if Cylons can communicate with eachother through physical contact, and we don't know if memory sharing requires special equipment. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget young William Adama in ''[[Razor]]'' putting his hand in that tank and getting that flood of images, that is probably how the Eight accessed Athena's memory. To answer Peter Fargo through you (this is an awkward way to communicate): While anything is possible I think that moment was an intent to convey a certain human touch. That Athena has become so estranged from her people she even couldn't show affection to a fellow dying Cylon. Adama in ''[[Sine Qua Non]]'' alluded to how Athena regards her people when he accused her of hating her own kind so much that she will seize any opportunity to kill one. Anyway, if they could exchange information via touch they wouldn't waste time talking to each other, especially about critical matters but we have seen them talk, including about critical matters when they were alone on Baseships without humans to fool. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 11:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::To be honest, its probably best to accept that the writers will juggle around the rather ill-defined memory sharing thing to suit whatever dramatic purposes an episode needs. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think it is ill defined at all. There is simply no situation that demonstrates telepathy, either touch like a Vulcan or remote like a pure blood Batazed (Dianna Troi's people on ''Star Trek: The Next Generation'') Even the case of Athena having the memory of leaving Helo behind when it should had been only Boomer's. I more or less closed because Athena was heading for the Refinery ship alone in her Raptor and the Cylons could had taken her, especially after a probe buzzed the Fleet. There is no time gauge as to how long she took between the fleet and the refinery ship so even that anomaly of Athena what clearly should had been only Boomer's memory could have a plausible explanation. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:The Hub/Archive 1

2008-06-19T19:48:02Z

Mmm...toasty: /* Callum Keith Rennie is in the episode */ Crediting actors

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==Picture==

Where is it from? Are there more? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:http://www.bsg.cz/4-09-hub-promofotky-3 -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Thanks! I wonder why there are none for Sine Qua Non so far. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::: Can anyone identify the gun Cavil is holding there? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 14:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::: Looks like a Walther PPK actually...the shape of it is a dead giveaway. -- [[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 09:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::: Maybe we should change the picture; unless I missed it (which seems unlikely, as I pay extra attention when Cavil's on screen), that scene didn't make the final cut of the episode. Something from the episode would be nice: the Hub, D'Anna, maybe even Elosha. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Read my mind. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

==The The==
The SciFi website omits the preceeding "The" from the episode title. Just bringing it up because I'm of a lower class with no ability to move pages and the such. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 11:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:"The Hub" was confirmed by Bradley Thompson, so I guess it's the correct title. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::NBC Universal's Media Village says "Hub", too, and they were right with the one-L "Traveled", too. "Hub" would be a painfully dull title, though. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 16:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::How did these two sites report "'''The''' Road Less Traveled"? With our without the "the"? In this case, it's obviously a Biblical quote and the "The" is clearly supposed to be there. And yeah, no one in their right mind would call an episode "Hub". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 18:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::''no one in their right mind would call an episode "Hub".'' – Eh... why not? –[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 03:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The episode is titled "The Hub"... we knew this months ago, thanks to [[BW:OC|our own source]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

==Teaser==
I'm sure anyone who's seen this knows by now, but just in case... In the teaser from "[[Sine Qua Non]]", D'anna says something like "You didn't know you were one of the final five", then' Laura Roslin is shown.
I avoid spoiler blogs & the like, so I don't know: Intentional, or too obvious? –[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 04:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:That could easily be some clever editing. As we saw in Sine Qua Non, the conversation between Tigh and Adama was much longer before Tigh hit Adama, but the preview made it look like Tigh hits him right after Adama asks him what he was thinking re: C-Six. There are no guarantees that those two share a scene in the episode, but we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]]•[[User talk:Kevin W.|So say we all]] 18:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah. Drawing anything from this is completely ridiculous. Promos are often very misleading. Sometimes deliberately, but often there just isn't the time to convey any real meaning. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::IMO she's probably talking to Anders. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think Anders is there. I think she's messing with Roslin. We know they share scenes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Anders ain't anywhere, it seems... Odd. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Callum Keith Rennie is in the episode ==

He appears right at the beginning, when everyone is still kind of hanging around the hybrid.
: You're right. He doesn't have any lines though. Also, I'm pretty sure that's the same footage from the episode where they first jump away. I guess they couldn't get him for the episode, but he got credit for standing around he'd done already. I don't have the earlier episode on me right now. Can anyone confirm that is the same scene (and not a reshoot), and then we can update the details about CKR's absence. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:: The scenes are from "Guess What's Coming For Dinner?"... there's nothing new there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::: An actor gets credited in an episode if they actually appear when it airs. If an actor's only scene gets cut from the show, then no credit. Recaps don't count, obviously, otherwise the credits would go into act 2 :). Callum got a credit because, as someone has pointed out, he appears at the head of the episode. I'm taking out that part of the notes, if no one objects. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 19:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

== Rebuilding the hub? ==

> Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another?
> Are the Cylons capable of building a new Hub, and if so, how long it would it take them?

My personal theory is - they can have more than one, and they can rebuild it, but it takes considerable time and resources, too much to have another one ready before the end of the war.

On the other hand - maybe it is possible to modify / reconfigure Res Ships to not require the Hub to coordinate them?

[[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 04:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

: Maybe the reason the cylons cannot rebuild it, is because it was built by whoever pogrammed/created the humanoid cylons in the first place, and they just weren't implanted with the knowledge required (similar to the knowledge of the final five). This may be evidenced by the fact that the resurrection facilities share a different design "philosophy" than the rest of the cylon fleet. [[User:Raziel Anarki|Raziel Anarki]] 15:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:: I though about that too, but somehow it just doesn't fit. I think operating / maintaining the resurrection ships, especially growing the spare bodies, keeping them in perfect condition and ready when needed, would require enough knowledge to rebuild it. Also note the resurrection ships are clearly both an important target and a limited resource, but there are no implications that they can't be rebuild. Cylons are able to dumb down the Raiders and smart up the Centurions, so it's not like they only use what they have, they obviously know a lot, even if not all, of their own inner workings. As for the knowledge of the final five - I think they have it, it's just repressed somehow, waiting for a trigger. I suspect when confronted with hard evidence they'll know "just like that". Yes, I do realize these aren't exactly strong arguments. [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 13:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== Airlocked? ==

How come this page wasn't kept airlocked until the British release date, but Sine Qua Non was kept airlocked until the American and Canadian release date? I thought the entire point was to keep the page locked down until the episode had been fully released. Doesn't this portray double standards? [[User:Otterstat|Otterstat]] 10:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
: The episode was first released on Friday in America, not on Tuesday. (SciFi told SkyOne to not release the episode early... long story.) The point of locking down the pages is to prevent multiple people from bum-rushing the episode page after it had aired with edits, which degrades the performance of the wiki's server. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

:: Aye I know, and the British release date has been pushed back to Tuesday, so the roles are exactly reversed - what I'm saying is that last week the page was locked until the episode had aired in America, but this week it was unlocked straight after it was aired in America despite not having been aired in Britain yet. I thought another reason it was airlocked until the episode had aired in both areas was: "Locking articles give everyone a chance to watch the episode before a wiki visit could spoil that." I'm just a bit confused as to why it's been un-locked prior to the episode being aired in Britain, is all. Edit: To follow on from this, does this mean it is okay in the future for me to un-airlock a page if it has been aired in Britain first but not America and Canada? Because that's basically what happened here... [[User:Otterstat|Otterstat]] 14:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Let me put it to you this way, just over half of our audience is American. The other half is oversees, with less than a quarter of that half being from the UK. We actually get a lot more traffic from Canada and Germany than we do the UK...

:::Further, we always airlocked the pages for the American airings, because that's when the Wiki is hardest hit... after US airings. Not UK airings. And, actually, "Sine Qua Non" proved that, because the traffic was more evenly distributed between the two air dates for that episode. You can see some of this statistical data for yourself [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org here]. Also, to answer your question, you don't have the permissions needed to lock our unlock pages; that's an ability only the chiefs have. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

== psych! ==

Can we get Three's joke at Laura's expense in the Notable Dialogue section? I can't remember it word by word myself. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)`

: There we go. What an amazing moment. If there's any problems with how I formatted it, feel free to tweak it. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 23:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Deleted scene or misplaced promo image? ==
I don't remember seeing Cavil holding a gun or wearing a hat, and we have had production number related misunderstandings before. Do we know that this image is from The Hub (episode 9, production number 411) and not [[Sometimes a Great Notion]] (episode 11, production number 413)? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:It's not a mistake. This is not the first time that promo images from (later) deleted scenes were released. For example "[[Torn]]" had one or two with Doral, Boomer, Six and Hera in a church, and "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" had a scene with Thrace interrogating Leoben. They are on the DVDs and summarized [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)|here]]. We should chose a different picture, but the other promo pics for the episode aren't really any good. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:I can grab something from the HD version... Any ideas? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe a wide shot of the Cylon and human pilots assembling? -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Accessing other's memories ==

*In the Analysis section there is this:

:"....However, earlier in Season 1, Agathon somehow has access to Sharon "Boomer" Valerii's memories, but was never killed or resurrected in the Miniseries. There is no explanation for this, other than an inference that Cylons can share memories outside of the actual download and resurrection process; how Valerii was able to do this after leaving Caprica is unknown."
:----
:It is right we never heard in the series how the then Caprica Sharon, now Sharon "Athena" Agathon, got a hold of Sharon "Boomer" Valerii's memories but I think it is not much of a leap to say that as a undercover infiltration agent Valerii was killed a number of times at regular intevals by the Cylons off screen probably during her shore leaves. Tyrol and Valerii had a torrid relation ship for a long while before the attack we know. Valerii had been stationed on Galactica for two years prior to the attack, that is plenty of time to kill her repeatedly. We have seen how the Cylons were blasé about death and resurrection. Remember how the Three in the bombed parking garage casually offered to Caprica Six to kill her because C-6 had a broken leg? If they could do that then no big deal; just kill Boomer, her memories download in to the communal repository (as well as a new body) and send her off again thinking she was human. Meanwhile have the future Athena absorb somehow Boomer's memories. Now the question is how does a living Cylon absorb the downloaded memories. In fact, I think I will put that up as a new question. Does Athena-or the Eight in ''The Hub''-have to die first? Of course we will have to wait to see it in the series for these questions can be answered in canon. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, this does not explain how Agathon has Valerii's memories of abandoning Karl Agathon on Caprica. There's really no wiggle room there for her to "die", particularly as she lifts off with a bunch of survivors, including Boxey. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 06:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It depends on the wording and context. Did she say that as a cover story? It could be, and I sure it is, as simple as other Cylon agents could had seen Helo and their agent Boomer part after he gave up his seat to Baltar and they told Athena by simple conversation about Boomer leaving Helo behind. We have seen the other Cylons observe Helo and they did report to each other verbally so I think it can be easy said that The Cylons simply told Athena just like a normal human would tell another human. I have to see either the scene or the transcript of the scene to be sure. What episode was that scene in? [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::: Athena didn't verbally claim to have Boomer's memories of leaving Helo behind, she had a flashback to it. Boomer could conceivably have been killed sometime before returning with the refinery ship to the fleet, followed by a Raider, but we don't know if that's necessary. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::What episode was that? The flashback I mean. And what episode was the refinery ship she was coming back from in (I remember a lot but have forgotten a lot too). I'll check. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 01:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::: The former, Flesh and Bone. The latter, the Miniseries. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks! I will check it out. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Apologies for not discovering this discussion earlier, but I added" [[Flesh and Bone]]" (20 mins in) for the flashback and also "[[Home, Part II]]" (15 mins in) as Agathon's verbal description of having Boomer's memories. These seem to be the exceptions - in the later series, it's a "download only" thing. [[User:Serenity|Serenity]], you say "[[Scar]]" is also relevant? -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Depends on what you mean by relevant. It's just a very obvious example where she recalls Boomer's memories. Specifically her time as pilot on ''Galactica'' ("Yeah, I remember. You were like a big sister to..."). This is just about a few examples to illustrate the point. There may be more, but more than two or three aren't really necessary to say that such a thing did happen. It's not even necessary to find the earliest ones. But just listing the episodes and saying "earlier in the series" is probably better than just "in Season 1" -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Again I have to answer someone through another person but it is necessary. To "Xlynx" and "Noneofyourbusiness": I checked out the Flashback scene in "Flesh and Bone" of Caprica Sharon (Athena) running through the forest back to Helo after she was given orders to either settle down with him on Caprica of kill him. During her run back there was a montage of scenes. All of them were Athena's memories of her on Caprica with Helo-except one. The one is when she is depicted taking off in the Raptor leaving Helo behind. That was supposed to be Sharon "Boomer" Valerii, not the future Athena. However, not to be difficult, that could had been a production error since it is so brief and so far the only example. Is there another example if so then one can start to say it means something but I admit it is there.
:::::::::As to the when she was in her cell in ''Home, part II'' of her reminiscing with Starbuck in her cell, sure she has Boomer's memories of Starbuck being a big sister to her no one disputes that Cylons shared memories; it was '''''HOW''''' they do it, touch telepathy, remote telepathy or only though asorbing memories after someone dowloads. In this case the "Big Sister" memory of Boomer's there is nothing to specifiy when that memory happened. It could had happened anytime before the attack in the two years Boomer was stationed on Galactica and Athena could had accessed Boomer's "Big Sister" memories any time before the attack as well. Boomer's memories as I said in and earlier post could had been downloaded in to a master database at regular intervals when Boomer was killed regularly delivering, unbeknownst to her, progress reports, so where her memories of Tyrol. Athena had plenty of time to access those.
:::::::::What makes the brief flashback scene of Athena taking off and leaving Boomer behind on Caprica is that there wasn't apparently enough time for Boomer to be killed in transit with Baltar & co. to Galactica and download her memories for Athena to absorb and Boomer to rejoin the fleet, but I said it could be a production error. Now I was told by "Serenity" that Boomer was sent to a refinery ship after dropping off Baltar and the other passengers on Galactica. That would be on Day 1 or 2 of the attack I ''think''. The Flashback scenes Athena was having on Caprica as she ran though the forest happened on day 25. It is conceivable that Boomer was killed between heading to or back from the refinery ship, downloading and then the Cylon repositioned with her new body to fly back to Galactica.
:::::::::It is all a matter of timing. We have to track both Boomer's and Athena's movements in the first few days after the attack very carefully (it would only be a few days since Boomer would had had to stay with the Fleet at some point). Meanwhile until more evidence emerges either way I still lean to the explanation of a production error. Some editor got their Eights confused LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 03:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Boomer dying, resurrecting and re-infiltrating the Galactica off-screen without being noticed on multiple occasions times is ''possible'', but IMO it's sufficiently implausible to count as [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]. IMO the most likely explanations are that there is a non-lethal form of memory sharing or that the flashbacks were just the other Eight imagining or [[projection|projecting]] based on a description from one of Boomer's subconscious reports, and the flashbacks were in third person and completely accurate because third person flashbacks are one of the genre conventions of film and television, and because reusing existing footage for flashbacks is far easier than justifying the budget allocation necessary to re-shooting the scenes in first person, particularly if the latter option would require new set construction or greenscreening due to the fourth wall. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::None the less I watch the scene in which Athena flew back to the Refinery ship to escort it back to the fleet. on the way there she was alone, no one was with her and there is no time indication that I saw that showed how long she was gone, so it is at least plausible she could had been taken or her hidden Cylon programming activated to take a detour to a Baseship killed resurrected and sent back out to keep her appointment with the refinery ship. That way Athena could had had access to Boomer's download files almost at anytime in the next 23 or so days and incorporated Boomer's post attack memories into hers. I admit there is NO evidence for that but it is plausible especially with her hidden programing protocols taken into account. as to fanwanking, I am not saying this is for a fact what happened but discussing what is plausible given the evidence, the purpose of the discussion site. As to the fourth wall, well we know of some of BSG's history before the attack including that Boomer was a pilot for a long time before so we don't have to restrict our explanations to only to what was shown on screen, just keep it within the bounds of available evidence that HAS been shown on screen. If you believe that it is implausible for Boomer to have been killed multiple times off screen before the attack, then it is implausible for people to thing that the Cylons are touch or remote telepaths, because there has been nothing shown on screen to support that. And if there is no evidence of that then what is left? What we do know through the Eight's statement in ''The Hub'' about her absorbing Athena's memories after her last download. In order to do that a Cylon must die. That is the evidence that we have right now. Therefore Boomer must had died at some point between the Fleet and the refinery ship when she was alone in order for the future Athena to have that first hand memory of her taking off from Caprica and leaving Helo behind. And how do they absorb those memories? From the evidence we have now through a datastream. Is that a dead on certainly yet? No, but we have a '''''hell''''' of a lot more evidence for that than the telepath hypothesis. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Agreed - whether a plot inconsistency or deliberate, it ''is'' implied on multiple occasions during the earlier seasons that memory sharing is possible without download, though there's still (intentionally) much mystery surrounding the Cylon's non-human abilities. To say there was both a production error in the flashback ''and'' unseen deaths is fabricating plot, so this topic should remain unless future episodes clarify these abilities. No one is saying it definitely happened, we're just saying there's an apparent inconsistency, and that is noteworthy. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::But I am not saying "and", I am saying both are a possibility given the lack of evidence for touch/remote telepathy. My theory of Boomer being killed periodically and downloaded for her memories as she was an agent is not fabricating a plot. It is a theory based on the evidence we have heard and seen. Am I saying '''definitely''' that happened? No. Can it be contradicted by later evidence? Yes. Again it is not a question of if they share memories, they do. It is '''How'''. I am saying given what evidence we know now there is no touch/remote telepathy. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::The scene in "[[Home, Part II]]" is actually when she's talking to Helo in their camp on Kobol. It's toward the 16 min mark. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I just reviewed both the transcript and the video and what I said before still stands. She had plenty of time to absorb those memories of getting her first wings and her first trip to ''Galactica'' and such long before the attack on the Colonies and the start of the show. The point is not whether the do or not share memories, that is a given, they do, again it is '''''How''''' they do it and there is no evidence of either touch or remote Wifi like telepathy. Caprica Sharon (Athena) most likely got Boomer's memories the available evidence shows is like how the Eight described how she got Athena's memories in ''The Hub''; Athena accessed Boomer's memories after her last download, either in a Baseship or a planet side datastreem like we saw in ''Exodus Part II''. Did we see it? No, but that is what the available evidence says happened, and the available evidence also says that living Cylons stick their hands in a datastream of some type to do so. Do we know that for sure? No, but that is what the evidence is telling us. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

It has often been implied that the Cylons have some easy (and invisible) way of sharing information with other members of their model. See [[Precipice#Analysis]] where Athena comments "I'm not wired in. It doesn't work like that". When Boomer was a sleeper agent she could have been "wired in" without knowing it. Alternatively, another Cylon infiltrator in the fleet could somehow have accessed her memories and transmitted them at opportune moments. Alternatively, the part of Boomer who knew she was a Cylon could have transmitted information during the moments she was "at the helm". I don't think it has ever been implied that death and resurrection is a necessary precondition for the sharing of memories. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 21:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:I think there just was in ''The Hub'' itself that death is necessary when the Eight told Helo she accessed Athena's memories after her last download. I believe that '''''is''''' what the then called Caprica Sharon (Athena) meant when she told Roslin that "....it doesn't work like that." The way it work is that a Cylon has to die download into the communal data bank and then the curious Cylon could absorb the resurrecting Cylons memories. I myself believe they have to stick their hand into a data stream just like they do when monitoring the Hybrid (and when Young William Adama in ''Razor'' stuck his hand in that primitive Cylon resurrection tank like pool just before the First Cylon War ended).
:I read the Precipice Analysis and there is no evidence of a wireless transmittable way for Cylons to share memories at a distance, just a lot of speculation without evidence. If the Cylons could share info ESP like then Pegasus wouldn't had been so successful in their hit and run tactics against the Cylons with Gina on board; also Gina after she excaped could had told where Galactica was with out setting off a nuke.

:Galactica be wouldn't had been able to hide even for a while with the Doral, Leoben and D'anna Biers in the fleet or an extended period of time. Instead, in the original miniseries they relied on a transmitter that Gaeta found that wasn't familiar equipment.

:The Cylons in the movie theater on Caprica wouldn't had to rely on using Raiders to relay footage of Athena giving birth to know that she was alive. They would had known that by taping into D'anna's memory of her seeing her.

:Now the Hybrid has some ESP powers because it sensed the distress of Natalie being shot and as the Eight said panicked and '''JUMP!'''(ed). Also humanoid Cylons can vaguely sense when their own kind is near, like how Caprica Six told Roslin that the Final Five was in the fleet but can't tell she was making love to one (Tigh). Similarly (almost) Athena couldn't tell Anders and Tyrol were two of the Finals when she spoke to the rookie Anders when they were about to go into battle in the nebula. However, I do concede that the Finals are different from the recently created Cylons, but then there is this case most tellingly: When the Fleet captured a Cavil after he came back from Caprica with the Caprican Resistance and Anders. He couldn't tell that they already had another One in custody (the one that consoled the troubled Tyrol). He tried to maintain his innocence until they opened a door and there he sat, the jig was up. All this tells me they can't anymore read each other's minds-even their own model's minds-anymore than we can. "It doesn't work like that." [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 01:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::''I think there just was in The Hub itself that death is necessary when the Eight told Helo she accessed Athena's memories after her last download.'' Death and resurrection may be a ''sufficient'' condition without being a ''necessary'' one. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 08:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::None of this evidence refutes the possibility of voluntary memory sharing through datastream terminals or physical contact. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Could it be possible for two live Cylons to stick their hands in a data stream and absorb each other's memories? Sure, but my point and I think the point of the analysis was whether they had ESP like abilities. They didn't and circumstances say they don't. As for them being touch telepaths we have seen no evidence specifically to prevent that possibility but we also have seen no evidence to support it either. At least we have the evidence of them controlling the Hybrid with the data stream and my example of young William Adama putting his hand in a Cylon tank to support the possibility of them sharing memories like that. We have seen them talking among themselves like normal people sharing ideas that way. No Cylon Mind Meld. If they could share memories with a mere touch we would had seen it by now. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 02:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::We sort of have. Consider the behavior of the various distinct Cavil models at the beginning of season 3, in which Ellen uses sex with one Cavil to bribe a different one to release Saul. Also, consider the way individuals in each model seem empowered to act as "speaker" for the entire line without, as far as we've seen, conducting some kind of physical poll. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not necessarily, we long known that the models act in unison, that they all think alike (except for the ones with extensive human contact) Individualism as we know it didn't exist with Cylons but that doesn't mean they use touch to convey memories and thoughts. And yes, they very like develop group consensus off screen polls within their model line and vote as a mass, but again not evidence of touch telepathy, just maybe great conference calling. :-) [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
What if the Eight who was shot in "Faith" who reached out to Athena for physical contact was attempting a memory transfer before she died? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:If they can transfer memories by touch, the Six in Faith could've transferred her memories to [[Natalie]]. Anyway, we know that Cylons can interface with [[datastream]] terminals by touch, we know that a living Cylon's knowledge and memories cannot be accessed against their will ([[Home, Part I]]), we know that the resurrection process produces some form of memory backup which other copies of the same model can access against their will ([[The Hub]]) and we know that the Eight who would become Sharon Agathon had some of Boomer's memories ([[Flesh and Bone]]). We don't know if Cylons can communicate with eachother through physical contact, and we don't know if memory sharing requires special equipment. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget young William Adama in ''[[Razor]]'' putting his hand in that tank and getting that flood of images, that is probably how the Eight accessed Athena's memory. To answer Peter Fargo through you (this is an awkward way to communicate): While anything is possible I think that moment was an intent to convey a certain human touch. That Athena has become so estranged from her people she even couldn't show affection to a fellow dying Cylon. Adama in ''[[Sine Qua Non]]'' alluded to how Athena regards her people when he accused her of hating her own kind so much that she will seize any opportunity to kill one. Anyway, if they could exchange information via touch they wouldn't waste time talking to each other, especially about critical matters but we have seen them talk, including about critical matters when they were alone on Baseships without humans to fool. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 11:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::To be honest, its probably best to accept that the writers will juggle around the rather ill-defined memory sharing thing to suit whatever dramatic purposes an episode needs. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think it is ill defined at all. There is simply no situation that demonstrates telepathy, either touch like a Vulcan or remote like a pure blood Batazed (Dianna Troi's people on ''Star Trek: The Next Generation'') Even the case of Athena having the memory of leaving Helo behind when it should had been only Boomer's. I more or less closed because Athena was heading for the Refinery ship alone in her Raptor and the Cylons could had taken her, especially after a probe buzzed the Fleet. There is no time gauge as to how long she took between the fleet and the refinery ship so even that anomaly of Athena what clearly should had been only Boomer's memory could have a plausible explanation. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Guess What's Coming to Dinner?/Archive 1

2008-05-20T21:07:30Z

Mmm...toasty: /* Question mark */ the script has one.

==Into the West==
I was just reading over the communique Brad just sent us, where he tells us that "Into the West" is not actually an episode of the fourth season, and I might know what happened. Apparently the source for the name of the episode comes from [http://thetvaddict.com/2007/06/27/more-battlestar-galactica-scoop/ this] report from an on-set reporter who glanced over a random script laying around, with the title "Into the West" on it back in June. With a little bit of research I discovered that frequent Battlestar director [[Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]] recently worked on project for Stephen Spielberg called "[http://alt.tnt.tv/itw/ Into the West]", and the writer for TV Addict might have glanced over one of Sergio's scripts. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 03:57, 30 November 2007 (CST)

== The "Deleted Discussions" tag ==

I removed the deleted discussions tag, since it was clear that this discussion page was originally the one for "Into the West", itself having been deleted. I did this to avoid any confusion. Thanks for the heads-up, [[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]]! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Two-parter? ==

According to imdb.com, this episode is the first half of a two-parter, which means "Guess What's Coming to Dinner part 2" will air next week, and Sine Qua Non airs only after that. Is that true? Do you have any information on this? -- [[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 18:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
: Well, it's a two-parter in the sense that there'll be a conclusion. However, the second part ''is'' "Sine Qua Non". Also, don't trust IMDb with new information... they for every one thing they get right, there are two to five things that are completely wrong, particularly for content that hasn't aired yet. (For instance, all the episodes for season 4.0 were credited as being written by RDM, when that isn't the case.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Two-parters don't have to have the same title. See "Scattered"/"Valley of Darkness", "Occupation"/"Precipice", "Torn"/"A Measure of Salvation" or "The Eye of Jupiter"/"Rapture". There are more episodes that are clearly connected, like the whole first few episodes of Season 2. And that's just on this show. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::Serenity, since I watch the same show, I am absolutely aware of that. Imdb just listed "part 2" and "Sine Qua Non" as two different episodes. And, well, this "part 1-part 2" naming also had some credibility because of "Crossroads". But yes, I totally understand that imdb is a lousy source for any information. :) Thanks for clarifying this. -- [[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 19:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, didn't check the site. In that case, it's just them being lazy again. The episode titles and order have been known for some time and confirmed by official sources. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::That source would be [[BW:OC#Season 4 Episode Titles|this one]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 21:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::At Caprica City we had been listing GWCTD as a two-parter for many weeks. If I'm not mistaken, our "source" was a KR post on Skiffy. It wasn't until several days ago that we realized all this confusion probably arose from the fact that May 23rd is Memorial Day. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 23:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::At last... Pedda is alive! :P yeah. I think it's pretty much confirmed by now that's it is a two-parter. There is so much stuff to be resolved, I doubt they can fit it in an hour show. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::According to the Faith podcast, Guess What's Coming to Dinner is the conclusion of a two-parter which started with Faith. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Missing cast ==

I filled the gaps in the guest cast best I could, but there are two last names I'm not positive about because it took some detective work just to make out the most of the names in the closing credits. I believe the penultimate is Craig Veroni - a Vancouver actor. The last appears to be Lee Jeffery (or Jeffrey) who has ties to the show... at least according to IMDb. So both seem likely to be correct educated guesses. Can anyone confirm? And, of course, add character names because I cannot make that leap. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 07:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Baltar and Gaeta ==

I disagree with this analysis in the article:

"Gaius Baltar is also drawn to see Gaeta, but the two do not interact; he is out of Gaeta's view and listening to him singing, suggesting that Baltar may have forgiven Gaeta for perjuring himself at Baltar's trial and for the earlier murder attempt."

I think that it's unreasonable to infer that from such a short scene with no dialogue between the characters. Should it be removed? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 09:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

: More than likely, the two don't interact. Otherwise, Gaeta would have been clearly agitated, given that Gaeta:

# perjured himself on the stand in an attempt to secure a guilty plea for Baltar that Roslin and Tigh had failed to do so;
# stabbed Baltar in the neck.

: Of course, once the podcast is released, we may learn more. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

::I take it that you agree it should be removed? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 18:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
==Possible Trial of Athena==

Roslin's, Athena's, and Caprica Six's shared visions were a prominent feature in [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner]]. We saw all three having them simultaneously culminating in Athena shooting Natalie. We saw Roslin discussing them with Lee, Starbuck, Baltar and Foster. It is a subject of Baltar's radio show. I think it is going to be a major issue of a President, now abducted by the Cylons from the Colonial's point of view, having visions with the Cylons. Now [[Romo Lampkin]] is due to appear in the very next episode. Now he could be there for the unmentioned alleged mutiny and the shooting of Gaeta by Anders or even any succession battle between Lee and Zarek, but I doubt it given the clear line of succession established for the Presidency and the total lack of reaction by the Command Staff of the Galactica to Gaeta being shot or the so-called mutiny. I think from all the described build up of "Visiongate" with the shooting of Natalie at its head will be a major plot point. I of course could be TOTALLY off base, but that is my analysis and I think I have cited evidence for it. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
: To be honest, I removed it because I firmly believe that it is totally off-the-wall that Athena would be charged with anything in a ''civilian'' court of law. She would be brought up on military charges, which fall under Adama's purview. Romo Lampkin's deals with the civilian end of things, hence the whole hoopla about laws in Season 3. (There was none of this hoopla during the tribunal way back in the first season, since that was military.) Beyond that, this is a case of people using disparate evidence to come to a weak analysis based on a two second clip of Romo Lampkin's wearing his shades... Quite frankly, I would remove the "trial" analysis point and merely ask "Will Athena be brought up on charges?" in the questions section... but as it stands right now, it should be removed, no matter how much lipstick is put on this pig. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::In real life under the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) a defendant can have outside civilian representation at a Court Martial if he pleases. Anyway you could be right and I am basing it on nothing and it could be related to something totally unrelated but I reiterate with all the build up with visions, Visiongate, and the lack of any mention of any legal proceedings regarding the alleged mutiny and/or Gaeta's shooting I think I am on pretty good grounds. Maybe Gaeta has come forward after all and Anders needs representation is the bases of Lampkin coming back with the next episode tilted [[Sine Qua Non]]. On the basis of the title alone '''some''' kind of major legal plot line is in the offing. Maybe Thrace was arrested on suspicion of aiding the Cylons in the President's abduction? That is a guess with even less to go on than my Athena angle. I do concede that another legal possibility is Tigh's apparent assault on Admiral Adama. It could be one thing to shoot a Cylon and be lightly punished for it, another to beat up the Admiral of the Fleet, so that is one real way Lampkin's services cold be needed. I don't think you can sweep that under the rug. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
: By the way, I really should have put this up for discussion before I deleted it. Sorry 'bout that. If people feel I've pulled a Cavil, let me know. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::I consider it a valid point. However, I think it's just too much analysis from too little to base it on. It's not that it's completely unlikely - it might happen - but mostly baseless from what we know at the moment. The stuff about the witnesses she uses in her defense could be removed for example. Saying that there is evidence that she truly experienced visions would be enough here IMO. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The question isn't whether there is evidence that she was truly experiencing visions-we the audience know that she is-but whether the in show characters have evidence to present in any in show trial. Lee, Thrace and Caprica Six can give evidence backing Athena's possible defense and what is their credibility given the backgrounds of the witness. And while the killing of a Cylon has been handled by the Colonials in a casual manner in the past, there is much more at stake now. The possible killing of Natalie has a greater significance to Fleet security than the killing of Boomer. Also, since this is an analysis of an episode, the episode and what we know up to and including that episode is what we got to work with, nothing beyond. In other words, we are not going to go back and modify the analysis of [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner]] after [[Sine Qua Non]] airs because that is going beyond what we knew up to that episode. Similarly I am not going to include a possible scenario for Lampkin to come back that includes Tigh assaulting Admiral Adama because he doesn't do it in Guess What's Coming to Dinner but in the next episode. The possibility of a legal fall out and what that could be has enough basis in GWCtD. Often all we got is sketchy information in one episode because the answer often lies a future episode. If we had the answers or even good evidence clearly pointing to a plot solution there wouldn't be much need for analysis. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 17:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I know that's it's evidence from the characters' POV. That's what I meant. Still, that's all that's really needed here. Whether there are people who can act as witnesses in her defense is pretty irrelevant really unless there actually is a trial. For me, it's more interesting to point out that there may be reasons for a trial - or just an investigation - from both the Colonials' and Cylons' point of view and that Agathon has some arguments she can use in her defense. Analyzing the details of her hypothetical defense in a, yet, hypothetical trial is a bit over the top here. And with details I mean listing witnesses according to their credibility and availability. I wouldn't really remove much. Just the last two sentences, and only mention that those three people could support her story. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Question mark ==

As in there is a question mark punctuating the title on the SciFi website. Shouldn't the title here follow suit? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 11:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:No. Bradley Thompson gave us this title without the question mark, and the movie ("Guess Who's Coming to Dinner") also doesn't have the question mark. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::The title on the production script has a question mark at the end. I vote adding it. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 21:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Escape Velocity/Archive 1

2008-04-28T17:53:21Z

Mmm...toasty: /* Uncredited actors */ an answer

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== The Lord of Kobol reference ==

During the service by Chief Tyrol he utters the like "...and the Lords of Kobol, as many and as varied as mortal men..."

Could this be taken literally, and suggest some new connection between the Colonials and the Lords of Kobol? It feels like the sort of cryptic clue the writes would drop in.

12 Colonies, 12 Cylon models, and perhaps 12 Gods? {{unsigned|DarthS}}
:The bajillionth time, nobody has ever said there are only 12 Lords of Kobol. There are 12 Olympians in greek mythology, but that doesn't even include some of the most prominent deities, such as Poseidon or Hades. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poseidon is one of them, but not Hades, who belongs to a group of deities and figures associated with the underworld. But the Greeks did not just worship the Olympians. The Colonials don't have to either, in regards to the Lords of Kobol. But yeah, there is a general consensus of who the Olympians are, but that changed with time and region. Different cities and regions sometimes worshiped different gods -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== Analysis re. Adama's book reading ==

I noticed there was a comment on the Analysis section about Adama reciting the passage, even though he said they were to the part he hadn't read before. Actually, he states that they are ''getting'' to the part he hasn't passed before, so they hadn't actually reached it yet, so if anything, these would be the parts he would remember the most, since it would be where he always stops after.

If anything, it seems like some double-symbolism could be read in to the fact that he would always stop reading after that particular passage...

(I don't know how to edit the page itself, or even if it's appropriate to, hence why I wanted to comment here instead).

[[User:MathewBurrack|MathewBurrack]] 19:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, that's how I saw it too. He doesn't say that he hasn't read that particular bit yet. As for editing the page, just click on "edit" at the top, next to "discussion" which you presumably used to get here. And don't be afraid of making changes, as they can be easily undone if something goes wrong. Though it's a good idea to discuss potentially contentious issues and big changes first, this a relatively minor thing. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== [[Virtual Six]] ==
Before posting analysis or question, did Virtual Six finally exhibited an actual physical manifestation when standing up Baltar in front of the guard? In the past, her effects could be explained away. Thoughts, opinions?-- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:It seems the most extreme so far, but we've seen apparently physical interaction between her and Baltar before. She has pushed him into mirrors or walls for example. Though his contortions are hard to pull of alone, it might not be impossible. They had to film it somehow and I guess Callis did it alone. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::His feet actually came off the ground at one point while his body was still limp. I think he was being pulled up by wires. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 05:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Huh? They never showed his feet, so there's no way of telling that. I think there would have been gasps of astonishment from everyone if he was actually levitating instead of just standing and walking funny. It's certainly possible to move like that by yourself, I've tried. Really, I don't see what the big deal about this is. This isn't any different from Six shoving him into a wall or even grabbing his tie. If you need an idea for how an "imaginary friend" could do this kind of thing, check out the parking garage fight in Fight Club, where Tyler drags the narrator around, throws him down stairs, etc. [[User:INH|INH]] 13:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Uncredited actors ==
At least two actors with speaking parts are uncredited. One is the leader of Sons of Eris (although he does look a bit similar to the [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine guard|Marine guard]] to me - can anyone confirm or deny?) and "Mr. Officious" (nicknamed so by Baltar), the guy who investigates the scene of the assault. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 22:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
: You mean the [[Sons of Ares]] right? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sure, too much [[wikipedia:Principia Discordia|Principia Discordia]]. :) Anyway, the question still stands. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I updated the entry with the name of the actor who plays the leader of the raid. "Mr. Officious" is a non-speaking extra. They later looped his line through the loop group so there's no actor credited. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 17:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Officious looks like the leader of the sons of ares to me. That my two cents--[[User:KDP3|KDP3]] 03:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
: Wouldn't be surprising... The Sons of Ares did know military protocols, and knew they had two minutes to grab Baltar before there would be some kind of military response. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== "Offshoot Religions" comment ==

During the Quorum meeting, one of the delegates mentions that the laws against Baltar's group assembling could also be applied to other minority religions, noting especially that Baltar's teachings seemed similar to that of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraic_Mysteries "Mithras Followers"], a real-world religion which was contemporaneous with, and a rival of, early christianity. The existence of another Colonial religion taken from our history and apparently not centered on the Lords of Kobol or the Cylon God may be another clue about how the Colonials fit in with Earth. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 05:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Delany Stadium ==

In the scene where Adama sits with Tyrol at [[Joe's bar]], there seems to be a poster for "Delan(e)y Stadium" behind Adama. Anyone else noticed that?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 18:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:My...erm copy isn't of high enough quality to really read it, but now that you point it out. Maybe a reference to [[Dana Delany]] (though it seems to be written as "Delaney")? -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I can't really make out what the poster says on Hulu, but I'm guessing it has to do with [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]].--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 19:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Summary ==

People can work on adding summaries of Acts 1 through 4 to the page... :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Escape Velocity

2008-04-28T17:28:42Z

Mmm...toasty: /* Guest stars */ added Rob Hayter as "Sons of Ares leader"

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== Overview ==
: ''Religious freedom is debated and defended as the messianic [[Gaius Baltar]] promotes his belief in one true God. Meanwhile, [[Galen Tyrol]] tries to cope with the death of his [[Callandra Tyrol|wife]] and fails.''

== Summary ==


=== Teaser ===

* In a makeshift [[temple]] aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', [[Galen Tyrol]] performs a ritual commemoration ceremony in the memory of his wife, [[Callandra Henderson Tyrol]]. In attendance are [[Laura Roslin]], Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]], Delegate [[Lee Adama]], [[Tory Foster]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] and [[Anthony Figurski]].
* After the priest ends the service, Roslin (wearing a wig) tells Adama that she likes the ceremony, insinuating that she wants Adama to perform the same service for her when she dies.
* Tyrol is given condolences by people as they leave the temple. Foster asks Roslin why they have to do "these things at dawn", to which Roslin replies that they have to.
* After Roslin gives her condolences, Tyrol grabs a hold of both Foster and Tigh, who hastily offer their condolences. As they walk out, they complain that Tyrol almost attracted attention to themselves.
* Delegate Adama offers his condolences as Tyrol stares off after Foster and Tigh; Adama leaves without a response from Tyrol.
* Tigh enters the surveillance room adjoining [[Caprica-Six]]'s brig. The Marines inform him that she continues her same routine. When broaching the topic of how Six doesn't go nuts, the [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Blonde female Marine|female Marine]] replies that she probably turns off her brain, prompting interest from Tigh.
* Tigh enters the brig, informing Six that her request to see [[Hera Agathon]] has been denied. Six notes that Tigh already told her this, and asks what else he wants from her. During the discussion, Tigh sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in place of Six. Tigh, unsure of what to make of it, tells Six to stay back from him. Six notes that he visits her every day, but doesn't ask questions any more. Tigh leaves, with her saying that she'll see him tomorrow.
* In his quarters, Tyrol sits while [[Nicholas Tyrol]] cries. Foster and Tigh gruffly admonish Tyrol for his behavior at the service.
* Tigh inquires after the baby. Tyrol notes that Nicholas probably needs to be changed; Tigh goes about doing so.
* Foster asks Tyrol if he believes Cally killed herself because of him. Tyrol brings up the alleged affair between them, to which Foster replies that they didn't have one. Tyrol voices his concerns over which of his memories were real, and whether or not there was ever an action in his life that wasn't programmed. Foster espouses what, according to Tigh, is "[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s crap" when she tells Tyrol that they, as [[humanoid Cylons|Cylons]], don't need guilt since they are perfect. Tigh, on the other hand, believes that Tyrol is feeling what men feel after the death of a loved one. Tigh continues by telling Tyrol that he'll see Cally every day, while referencing his own experience of [[Torn|hearing]] and [[Virtual Ellen|seeing]] his dead wife. Tigh finishes by saying that Tyrol feels what he needs to feel, but not at the expense of being outed as Cylons, while Foster says to think about what they are and embrace their Cylon attributes.

=== Act 1 ===

=== Act 2 ===

=== Act 3 ===

=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==
* [[Cally Tyrol]]'s full first name is Callandra. The spelling is confirmed in [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=246 Bear McCreary's blog post] for this episode. The episode also marks the first onscreen mention of her birth name, Henderson.
* The [[survivor count]] now accounts for Callandra Tyrol's death in "[[The Ties That Bind]]".
* A costuming error in the teaser shows [[Saul Tigh]] wearing the rank insignia of an [[Military Ranks (RDM)|admiral]]. This is noticeable in the scene where Tigh and [[Tory Foster]] confront [[Galen Tyrol]] in Tyrol's quarters after the memorial service.
* The [[diloxin]] treatment [[Laura Roslin]] receives has forced her to wear a wig, since her hair loss began more than 22 days ago in "[[Six of One]]".
* Another of the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] is revealed: [[Asclepius]]. Asclepius is known to the Colonials as the god of healing.
* Unlike "[[The Ties That Bind]]", [[Tom Zarek]] is not present at the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] meetings on ''[[Colonial One]]'' in this episode. The reason for his absence is unexplained.
* [[w:Escape velocity|Escape velocity]] is the minimum initial velocity an unaccelerated object needs to escape a body's gravitational field.
* Tory Foster confirms that the [[Final Five]] are stronger than humans.
* [[Redwing]] previously appeared in "[[Exodus, Part II]]" as [[Hot Dog]]'s wingman.

== Analysis ==

=== Characters ===
* [[Galen Tyrol]]'s insubordination that leads Admiral Adama to demote him may have been a deliberate act, conscious or unconscious, to maintain the safety of the ship. While not stated explicitly, Tyrol has been implied to have fears of working against the interest of the Fleet. This fear is almost certainly magnified when he forgets to swap out a burned out component for a new one on [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]]'s Raptor, which subsequently crashes. While his memory lapse may have been innocently brought on by the continuing stress of discovering himself to be a Cylon, the resulting subterfuge, and his wife's death, the experience of [[Sharon Valerii]] with her memory lapses, unconscious acts of sabotage, and the attempted murder of then Commander Adama, are probably on his mind. This is indicated during the tirade against Cally, Adama, and his life in general in [[Joe's bar]]. A demotion in disgrace and transfer could ensure the safety of the ship, without raising any unwanted questions as an official resignation probably would.
* Tyrol continues to have feelings for Sharon Valerii, as he admits to [[William Adama]] and everyone else present in Joe's Bar. Tyrol notes many of [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]]'s weaknesses, including her nagging, nosy nature (which lead to her death in "[[The Ties That Bind]]"), and grows annoyed at Adama's willingness to turn Cally into an angel, when he believes that she is unworthy of that. His feelings for Valerii were likely renewed upon realizing that he is a Cylon, which makes a possible association with Valerii much more acceptable to him.
* Foster continues to embrace her Cylon nature and Baltar's teachings. She tells Tigh and Tyrol to turn off the guilt, that they are perfect and different from humans. Tigh, however, can't turn off his feelings and spends much of the episode wondering if [[Caprica-Six]] can.
* A part of the book that Adama reads to Roslin, ''[[Searider Falcon]]'', has some deeper significance to both of them, just like ''[[Love and Bullets]]'' in the previous episode: "I wasn't afraid to die. I was afraid of the emptiness that I felt inside. I couldn't feel anything. And that's what scared me. You came into my thoughts. I felt them. It felt good." This is emphasized by the fact that he closes the book and recites the passage, almost as if the words are his. It is also possible that the passage has additional significance for Adama, since by his admission he normally stops reading after it.
* Roslin's wig is strikingly reminiscent of [[Helena Cain]]'s hairstyle in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]". This is a visual counterpoint to her increasing ruthlessness as she confronts her impending death.

=== Story ===
* Delegate [[Reza Chronides]] mentions [[Mithraism]], thus further establishing the existence of other religions in the Twelve Colonies. The [[Sons of Ares]] are another religious group, described as [[w:fundamentalism|fundamenalist]].
**This is particularly notable in the context of Baltar's cult, because [[w:Mithraism|Mithraism]] had many things in common with [[w:Christianity|Christianity]]. Yet Christians were prosecuted far more by the ([[w:polytheism|polytheistic]]) Romans, while Mithraism spread throughout the empire and particularly the army, before Christianity became the official religion and [[w:Paganism|paganism]] illegal. This furthers the connection of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] to the Roman/Greek gods and of Baltar to [[w:Jesus Christ|Christ]].
***However, Baltar's monotheistic theology, while similar on the surface with Judeo-Christian-Islamic beliefs, differs in at least one key aspect: There is no sin. People are perfect. God loves things that are perfect. Perfect things have no faults, therefore God loves one including one's faults. Hence, there is nothing wrong with one despite the questionable things done in life. This is different than in Christian tradition in that while God/Jesus may love one anyway, one still must renounce sin in order to be in His grace. If not, one will not be rewarded in the after life. In other words, serious faults would cause one to be rejected by God in some way. This is unlike Baltar's theology in which God would never reject a person under any circumstance because he or she is perfect regardless of their faults or sins. Under this world view God would regard [[Tory Foster]] as perfect and guiltless despite her murder of [[Cally Tyrol]], which she has convinced herself that she is.
***Batlar's speach about loving one's self, and using that understanding to love and understand others seems thematically aligned with Virtual Six's initial remark in the Miniseries that "God is Love." Ironically, Baltar's sinful past now seems to enhance his credibility, and provide evidense that someone as sinful as he is has been given fortune by God. According to Christian traditions, a true believer must repent to God to be forgiven of sin. This does not mean he or she will stop sinning, but that they repay God's love with love in return. Likewise, Baltar has repeatedly repented to God and had divine providense intervene in his favor several times. Since Baltar is now using his own sinful life as an example, it seems that this dynamic of Christianity is consistent here as well.
*The [[Sons of Ares]] act with military precision, have access to gas grenades and knowledge about the ship's security procedures. From this it is likely that many of them are soldiers and not civilians. This may be expected from a group dedicated to the [[Ares|god of war]].
* [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]] and [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]] have notoriously bad luck with the [[RCS|reaction control systems]] on the [[Raptor]]s that they are assigned to. An error with the RCS thrusters also occurs in "[[Dirty Hands]]", then attributed to impurities in the [[tylium]] fuel. This is the third Raptor mishap to befall the pair, the first being their FTL malfunction causing their mis-jump to the [[New Caprica]] system in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".
* When facing down the Marines, the way in which Baltar is standing up, when the scene shifts to [[virtual Six]] being absent, it still appears as though he is being lifted up, which puzzles the Marines and Baltar's followers. This marks the first time where virtual Six does something to Baltar that isn't clearly presented like Baltar is doing it to himself. While that is still possible, it is implied that virtual Six can actually affect things physically. This, along with the [[virtual Baltar]] appearing to Baltar in "[[Six of One]]" and both virtual beings consistently knowing information that neither Baltar or Caprica-Six could actually know, hints that there is something more to them than simply being illusions. What they are, of course, remains a matter of debate.
** This lends further credence to the theory that virtual Six may be able to interact with the physical world, and possibly hints at the true explanation of [[Shelly Godfrey]]'s strange appearance and disappearance in the episode "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]".
* The scene where Baltar violently confronts the Colonials during their prayer service seems based on the biblical narrative of [[Wikipedia:Jesus and the money changers|Jesus and the money changers]].

== Questions ==

* Will Lee Adama grow more sympathetic towards Baltar's group?
* Will Roslin learn that Foster is associating with Baltar?
* Will Tyrol seriously consider Foster's words?
* Will Foster clash with Tigh and Tyrol, as their different attitudes towards their Cylon nature develop?
* Are Tyrol and Tigh's hallucinations merely the result of grief and guilt, or are they using [[projection]]?
* Do Tigh and Six have sex?
* What of [[Nicholas Tyrol]]? Will his father take care of the child?
* Are Tyrol's statements about Cally's negative attributes heartfelt, or merely a result of rage and anger?
* Now that it is clear that Foster lied to Tyrol about the death of Cally, how will Tyrol react should he discover the truth?
* What will Tyrol's new duties be after his demotion to specialist?
* Does Lee Adama notice Tory Foster during Baltar's service?
* Is the Admiral opening up to religious thought, and how will this affect his decisions in the future?
* Will the Baltat religion end up helping the people of the fleet, or will it lead them into a dangerous absent minded state which compromises them, as Laura Roslin appears to fear?
* What will the implications of this new religion be on Roslin's beliefs and actions? Will she convert, will she be proven right, or will she be on the wrong side?<categorytree></categorytree>

== Official Statements ==





== Noteworthy Dialogue ==



== Guest Stars ==

* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as "[[Virtual beings#Saul Tigh's Virtual Ellen|Virtual Ellen]]"
* [[Don Thompson]] as [[Anthony Figurski]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmonson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Donna Soares]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Gemenon Delegate|Speaking Delegate #1]] (Gemenon Delegate)
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Speaking Delegate #2|Speaking Delegate #2]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Heather Doerksen]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Blonde female Marine|Surveillance Marine]]
* [[Laara Sadiq]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Priestess|Priestess]]
* [[Karen Austin]] as [[Lilly]]
* [[Steve Lawlor]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine guard|Marine at Baltar's]]
* [[Hector Johnson]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Marine Lieutenant]]
* [[Lee Jefferies]] as [[Redwing|"Redwing" McKay]]
* Unknown as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#"Mr. Officious"|"Mr. Officious"]]
* Rob Hayter as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Sons of Ares leader|Sons of Ares leader]]

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=246

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WGA strike

2008-03-06T08:28:00Z

Mmm...toasty: added more details re: how the strike affected BSG

The '''[[w:2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike|Writers Guild of America strike]]''' resulted in the suspended production of the [[Re-imagined Series]]'s [[Season 4|fourth season]], along with the majority of scripted US TV and film. The strike began on 5 November 2007, by which time the scripts of 11 episodes of Season 4 had been completed. Production finished shooting [[411|episode 11]] in early December, and post production went on hiatus 28 February 2008.

There was widespread support for the strike among cast, crew and fans. Show-runner [[Ron D. Moore]]'s [http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Blog.html new blog] kept a track on various strike-related activities including the "[http://www.pencils2mediamoguls.com/ Pencils2MediaMoguls]" campaign.

On February 13th, the writers have decided to end the strike after 100 days. 92.5% of the votes cast were in favor of accepting the settlement with the studios <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/business/media/12cnd-strike.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin|title=New York Times - Writers Vote to End Strike}}</ref>. Productions resumed rapidly <ref>http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0851358020080210</ref>. [http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=b163d6b8-3327-49da-b8d8-16696cec775d E! Online] has suggested, based on comments by writer [[Jane Espenson]], that production on ''Battlestar Galactica'' will resume quite quickly, but the remaining episodes of Season 4 may not air until the autumn of 2008 or the start of 2009.

Production to finish the season is set to begin late March 2008.

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Cylon Centurion

2008-02-18T18:14:53Z

Mmm...toasty: /* Cinematic Notes */ corrected paragraph re: shooting of scenes with virtual Cylons.

: ''For information on the Centurions from the [[Original Series]], see [[Centurion (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Centurion profile (front) II.jpg|210px|thumb|right|Centurion, warrior of the Cylon army.]]

The basic foot-soldier of Cylon ground forces, the '''Cylon Centurion''' appears to represent a significant evolution of the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]. They serve a variety of functions within the Cylon hierarchy, acting as guards, soldiers and executioners.

The Centurions are not sentient by design, and are completely reliant on software programming. This was done (according to [[Sharon Agathon]]) to prevent a rebellion akin to the one that the [[Cylon War|Cylons orchestrated against the Colonies]]. The Centurions are programmed not to harm any of the "[[Significant Seven]]" humanoid Cylon models (except by [[Hero|explicit order]]) and cannot distinguish one copy from another ([[Precipice]]). Whether the Centurions know the identities of the [[Final Five]] is unknown.

While primarily mechanical, it is suggested by [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid]]s discussing the viral [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|infection]] afflicting the Cylons, that the Centurions have at least some bio-mechanical components and are disease-prone as well. This adverse reaction to the virus, however, could also be a result of their wireless link to the [[Hybrid]], as a [[Number Three]] states that the Centurions started shutting down as soon as the ship's Hybrid became infected ([[Torn]]).
[[Image:Centurion profile (side).jpg|210px|thumb|right|Centurion, defensive posture.]]
Unlike the Model 0005, a single Centurion can effectively combat a squad of Colonial soldiers. Long, talon-like fingers function as as bladed weapons during close-combat. These claws fold back to reveal a double-barreled automatic [[KEW]] mounted on the end of each arm. Since the Centurion appears to have a large internal munitions storage, and does not have to reload, getting close enough to inflict damage to it is difficult. Centurions are also capable of carrying larger, more powerful weapons not integrated into their systems, such as mortars and missile batteries. In "[[Razor]]", one Centurion boarding ''Pegasus'' carries a large, and likely powerful, rifle in its hands.

These newer Centurions are also more agile than their predecessors, being capable of extremely fast [[w:bipedal locomotion|bipedal locomotion]]. Additionally, their legs are powerful enough to allow for a jump height of several meters.

It is unknown whether the Centurions can "speak". It is probable that they communicate with each other via a wireless network, making verbal speech unnecessary. They can, however, hear and respond to verbal commands from the [[humanoid Cylon]]s ([[Hero]]).

Some versions of the Centurion wield markedly improved armor. A squadron of Centurions that board ''[[Galactica]]'' are unaffected by standard weaponry, being subdued only by armor-piercing explosive rounds ([[Valley of Darkness]]). The Centurions that [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] encounters on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] appear to react more slowly, behave less intelligently, and are more easily destroyed by small-arms fire. However, if one takes into consideration the overall plan that the Cylons had for Helo and Sharon Agathon, it may be surmised that these variants were intended to inflict psychological, rather than physical harm. Conversely, Centurions seen on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] display an increased group intelligence, working together to construct an anti-aircraft battery from parts of a [[Heavy Raider]] ([[Fragged]]).

"Bullethead", "clanker" and "chrome job" are common Colonial nicknames for these advanced and deadly Cylon constructs ("[[Downloaded]]", "[[Rapture]]", [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

===Cinematic Notes===
The creators of the Re-imagined Series decided that using actors in an elaborate Cylon robot outfit (as was done in the Original Series) would detract from the realism of the series. They decided to make fully computer-generated Cylon Centurions for the new series.

Inaugural director [[Michael Rymer]] wanted the new Cylon warrior to blend in and avoid detracting from the live actor's performances. However, the new designs were eye-catching, and the new robot became a popular addition to many scenes. The virtual Cylons are designed with full articulation in the hands and joints that gives a realistic appearance to the viewer. Initially the new warrior was built with more human movement, such as swaggering. However, the movements did not fit the robotic attitude that the writers wanted to convey and were later discarded.

When filming a scene that will later have virtual Cylon warriors inserted, a life-size cardboard stand-in is used for framing purposes. The stand-in gives the camera operator an idea of how much space to leave in the frame and the animators a reference on how big the Centurions should be. The stand-in is removed so when shooting begins, the actors are reacting to an empty space. This minimizes the amount of work VFX must do to add a Centurion to the shot.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Cylon Centurion New 002.jpg|Centurion leaving a crashed [[Heavy Raider]] ([[Scattered]]).
Image:Cylon Centurion New 001.jpg|Centurion in action during the boarding of ''Galactica'' ([[Valley of Darkness]]).
Image:Centz.jpg|Centurion guard on New Caprica ([[Occupation]]).
Image:Centurion on Pegasus.jpg|Centurion aboard ''Pegasus'' ([[Razor]]).
Image:CenturionMortar.jpg|Centurions carrying mortars ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
Image:Centurion on Kobol.jpg|Centurion on Kobol ([[Fragged]]).
Image:CylonAAU.jpg|An improvised anti-aircraft missile launcher (Fragged).
Image:CenturionGun.jpg|A Centurion carrying a large gun (Razor).
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Talk:Cylon Centurion/Archive 1

2008-02-14T03:10:35Z

Mmm...toasty: New section: "Shooting" Cylons

The stub calls the Warrior an "upgrade" of the old chrome toaster.
Given what we have seen of the inside of the BaseStar and Starbuck's Raider, isn't it likely that the Warrior is a product of the semi-organic line of Cylons?

The Warrior is, at best, the conceptual and functional sucessor to the old Centurion. A similar relationship might be found between the the M-4 Sherman tanke of World War II and the M-1A2 Abrams tank of today. Both machines do the same job, have many analogous features, but the only contributions the Sherman made to the development of the Abrams were its flaws.

Nick Kuzmik

: Actually, given that we never saw any organic matter come out of a shot Cylon Warrior, we can assume it is more robotic than organic. Obviously, this has not been stated overtly, so it is still conjecture. Therefore, it is possible that the Cylon Warrior is an "evolutionary" step to an organic-like Cylon (one with more fluid movement and flexibility) using non-organic materials. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe.Beaudoin]] (not logged in)

We need a better pic, like one from the miniseries or "33".--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:03, 24 February 2006 (EST)

== Deployed Greatly ==

What does "However, when Centurions are deployed greatly, they are deployed in huge numbers." mean? I'd delete it outright, but someone just added it, so I'd feel bad. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:56, 1 April 2006 (CST)

:I have no such compunction. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:09, 1 April 2006 (CST)

Bigger problem: what's with that ''entire'' paragraph? How do we *know* they weren't deployed in large numbers on the ground to mop up colonial units after the intial attacks? I always assumed they were, just off screen.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:46, 1 April 2006 (CST)

<blockquote>The Cylon Centurions may also have different armors. For instance, a small number of them wreaked havoc when boarding Galactica, and could only be destroyed using explosive rounds (Valley of Darkness). </blockquote>
Other than their resistance to small arms fire, there was no indication that the Centurion boarding party comprised an up-armored model, although that would not be a bad a idea considering the close and nasty fighting they could anticipate.

Comparison of the images on the Centurion page <ref>http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Cylon_Centurion_New_001.jpg</ref> and <ref>http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Centz.jpg</ref> does show evidence of modified armor. Furthermore, additional armor would reduce speed and manuverability, which creates a contradiction, as the attack on Galactica is when the Centurions were at their most nimble. I propose that this is not a matter of Cylon armor, but of Colonial ammo.

Its been a while... that and I don't own any of the DVD's so somebody has to help me out here...
But Helo and Boomer's "kills" on Caprica are suspect because the Cylons were playing with him. Did we ever confirm the destruction of a Centrion via Colonial Fleet sidearm fire? Or did they just fall down and play dead after getting hit with lead spitballs?

On Kobol, again, I don't recal any confirmed pistol kills, we did see some probable rifle kills. But a rifle with full metal jacket, ball round; heck, if I'm fighting Cylons, all I'm bringing is armor-piercing; is a very different catridge from a pistol round. By way of example, fire a full metal jacket, 9 mm Parabellum from a HK P9 pistol. Now fire that same round from an HK MP5. The MP5 will have higher muzzle velocity, longer range, greater accuracy, and greater penetration. Changed that to a necked-down micro-caliber, and a service rifle could concievably take out Centurions with the right ammo.

Which brings us to the question: "Why didn't they have the good bullets on Galactica?" Sean Connery said it oh so well in Hunt For Red October, "Most of the things in here don't react too well to bullets."
Shipboard security is probably issued some time of frangible round that won't over penetrate, and won't richocet too much. That also means it is pretty much uselless against armor. The limited stockpile of explosive rounds are there "just in case" they need to penetrate some armor, but the dedicated armor piercing ammo is probably stored somewhere that was not conveniently accessible.

With regards to the Cylons varried speed and intelligence, I still think that the Centurions are like the Raiders, crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside. Its also possible that the team sent to board Galactica was a group of elites. Older, more experiences, better trained. Kind of like Scar in a way...

[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 20:24, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

:You make some good speculative points based on episode history. You might want to review the article to see where you can add these questions you bring up as references or in the notes section of the article, as appropriate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:29, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

:That centurions come equipped with different armor was mentioned by Bradley Thompson in the BW:OC. They are neither organic nor sentient though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:06, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
:Yeah, I noticed the stuff about the non-sentient, non-organic stuff shortly after writing all that. I guess the if its an official source we have to accept the assorted armor thing. Though it begs the question, why not use the beefy ones more often?
[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 23:19, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
:: The Cylons are practical beings, who are limited by the amount of natural resources at their disposal. It follows that they may not need to upgrade Centurions ''en masse'' since it's not the most practical thing to do. As Six mentions in the Miniseries, they still have the old "walking chrome toaster" models around, since they have their uses. Or they may simply be limited by said resources at their disposal. After all, you don't need a heavily armored Cylon to plant tress now, do you? In addition to that question, bear in mind that Centurions also double as manual labor -- heavier armor detracts their effectiveness, even if they are machines. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 07:48, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

== Armor Hood ==
More a question of curiosity then anything else, but while I was looking at some of the pictures (especially the ones from the miniseries and those from season 3) I noticed the metal "hood" the Centurions have that covers the back of their head seems to vary in sizes. In the miniseries and the full body picture in the wiki, the hood seems to rise higher then the top of the cylon's head. But in other [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Centz.jpg shots], such as those of the Centurion garding Baltar in Collaborators, the hood seems noticeably smaller. I'm wondering if its a change in design or simply due to the positioning of the Cylon's head. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 22:40, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:It's just the positioning, the Centurions have looked the same throughought the whole series, if only looking a bit taller....but they're probably the same height too. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:51, 30 October 2006 (CST)

== Downloads and Centurions ==

We've already established that Centurions are just 'bots. No organics, presumably no downloading. While Athena may have provided the reasoning behind that, there is a good reason not to limit the Centurions that way. The best example is Scar. He was experienced, wily, and very lethal.

Now imagine how the events in Valley Darkness could have gone if there was one centurion on each team that had 1/3 of that skill and experience. I'm not saying the Centurions can't learn... but if they can learn and benefit from experience, are they smart enough to rebel later?

The smart move would be to build a Centurion around the CNS of a skin job and just download into a "combat" body when needed. But this doesn't seem possible. Recall tha tCavil had to scratch open his carotid artery with and empty shell casin.

Not sure where I'm going here but something is bugging me
[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 13:03, 11 November 2006 (CST)

== Slur/nickname sources ==
It'd look great if we could track down the episodes where the "bullethead", etc., euphemisms are used and cite them using ref tags (so that we'd actually have a references section). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:21, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:I added them directly into the article, but they are in order. Should be their first appearances, but "bullethead" and" "chrome job" have been used on other occasions too I think --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:16, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

== Height ==
Guys, how tall are Centurions? Majestic's 12-inch figure is really 13.5' (1:6) which would translate into a real-life height of 6'9' '. Others say it's more like seven or even eight feet. What do you think? -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 09:02, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

==Knowledge of the Five==
There's a line in the article which I feel we should perhaps remove-

:'''''"As with the Seven humanoids, the identities of the "Final Five" Cylons are not known to Centurions, as several soldiers have fired on these people before, notably Samuel Anders."'''''

I think this mainly because it's not a fact, and the fact is that for all we know they haven't been shooting at Anders but at his resistance people (never actually hit him), so whether they do or don't recognize the Five is not really known, and while we can guess from what we see, it's not certain. So I would suggest we just remove it to prevent any possible problems in the future. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:02, 17 October 2007 (CDT)
: I agree, since it isn't explicitly stated or inferred one way or the other. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 16:11, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

== Laser gun? ==

Too me it looks more like a shotgun --[[User:KDP3|KDP3]] 22:23, 9 December 2007 (CST)
: Are you referring to the caption for the image in the gallery? If so, the image caption says "large gun", not "laser gun". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 22:28, 9 December 2007 (CST)

yeah I reread it {{unsigned|KDP3}}

== "Shooting" Cylons ==

The process of actually comping in a Cylon Centurion is a little different than described in the final paragraph. The cardboard cutout is used only for framing purposes, so that there's enough space for VFX to place a Centurion properly. Stand-ins may be used in blocking out complex moves, but when it comes to shooting, there's nothing there, meaning the actors are reacting to empty space. Anything left in the shot would mean additional work for VFX to erase it before comping something. I haven't seen the video blog referenced (Sci-Fi seems to have taken down the blogs), but it almost sounds like a joke the crew was playing on hapless PAs. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 21:10, 13 February 2008 (CST)

Talk:I Wanna Frak/Archive 1

2008-01-03T04:26:49Z

Mmm...toasty: Possibility of hearing original version

Moved to proper title per [[User:Mmm...toasty]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 11:53, 6 December 2007 (CST)

== Shortened version? ==

This article mentions that the "shortened version" of the song is on the gag reel. What's the longer one? Or is there a longer one? Just curious for the clarification. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 07:45, 26 December 2007 (CST)
:Yeah, the original rap is longer, with additional lyrics that reference other members of the cast and crew. It runs about 2 1/2 minutes. Just a fun little piece Bear and his brother threw together as a joke. Andy & Tim cut it down when they were putting together the Season 3 gag reel. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 14:34, 2 January 2008 (CST)
::Oh, cool. Any chance we'll get to hear the original extended version? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:37, 2 January 2008 (CST)
:::Dunno, that's way above my pay grade. :) I don't think there are any plans to officially release it; the only reason why anybody outside of production knows about it is because it's on the season 3 gag reel. But who knows? I didn't think [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Barry/ Marion Barry] would win a 4th term for mayor, either ... --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 22:26, 2 January 2008 (CST)

Talk:I Wanna Frak/Archive 1

2008-01-02T20:34:47Z

Mmm...toasty: Additional info about the longer version

Razor

2007-12-10T22:42:42Z

Mmm...toasty: Tweaked a couple of production notes

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== Overview ==

: ''A tale centered around the new ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officer [[Kendra Shaw]], following her entire tenure on the battlestar from the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] under Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], to [[Lee Adama]]'s command and a frightful rescue mission to save crew members who have been captured by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]].''

== Summary ==
Three separate, but related stories are documented:
*William Adama's mission at the end of the first [[Cylon War]].
*The events on ''Pegasus'''s during and shortly after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
*The events surrounding the [[Battle of the Guardian basestar]], set in the time period between "[[The Captain's Hand]]" and "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".
In the episode these stories are largely told in parallel, flashing between the different time periods. Below the different story lines are listed chronologically.

Scenes only included in the extended [[Razor (Region 1 DVD)|DVD]] version of "Razor", but not in the television version are marked with "(*)".

=== First Cylon War ===
====William Adama ====
:''See also: [[Razor Flashbacks]]''

*At the end of the first [[Cylon War]], a Colonial battle group conducts [[Operation Raptor Talon]] against a [[Ice planet|Cylon planet]] presumed to house a super weapon. During the battle, the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' is pummeled from [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] salvos and is subsequently destroyed. Adama then spots two Raiders entering the planet's atmosphere. Out for revenge, Adama engages the two. He shoots down one in the high altitudes, but collides with the other and is forced to eject. (*)
*However, a [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] survived as well and shoots at Adama during the free-fall. Adama shoots back and the two eventually engage in hand-to-hand combat. When the Centurion tries to use a blade on Adama, he pulls his parachute's rip cord to slow his descend, watching the Centurion fall down. Adama lands safely on the ground, crashing through what appears to be a warehouse sky-window. There he encounters the Centurion and kills it by repeatedly smashing its head with a pipe. (*)
*As Adama enters what appears to be a Cylon laboratory, he finds evidence of human experimentation and human mutilations. He eventually finds a vat filled with a gelatin-like substance which is reminiscent of the [[resurrection tank]]s or [[Hybrid]] tanks that the later [[humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylons]] would use.
*He kneels down and touches the substance, and immediately begins to hear the screams of torture victims. As he looks back at the tank, a hand abruptly grabs his arm. The hand disappears just as quickly as it appeared, and Adama falls back to the ground. A voice is heard, quoting from the [[Pythia|Pythian]] prophecies: "All this has happened before and will happen again."
*A banging sound is heard from a locked chamber nearby. As Adama approaches the window of the chamber, an unidentified man presses his face against the window and begs Adama to release him and the other captives. Adama finds a piece of metal nearby, and attempts to break open the door to the chamber.
*As Adama attempts to free the door, the man tells him that they are civilians from the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]] ship ''[[Diana]]'', whose convoy was attacked by the Cylons, and that there were initially 50 of them who were taken away one by one.
*Suddenly the ground begins to tremble. Adama manages to open the door a little bit, but not enough to allow the captives to escape. The man urges Adama to leave them and save himself. He asks Adama to tell others of what has happened to them. Adama finally complies after he realizes that he cannot free the prisoners, and runs out of the laboratory.
*Emerging from the laboratory warehouse, Adama sees the [[Guardian basestar]] lifting off into the clouds. He radios his findings about the Cylon experimentation on humans to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', but the young pilot is shocked to learn that an armistice has just been signed, and the war is over.

====Helena Cain====

*At the same time [[Tauron (RDM)|Tauron]] is under attack by Cylon basestars and Centurion ground forces. A young [[Helena Cain]], her sister [[Lucy Cain|Lucy]] and her [[Cain (father)|father]] are pinned down in a building under heavy fire. The three attempt to escape after the last remaining marines in the building are gunned down. When her father is injured by mortar fire, he tells Helena to get Lucy to a shelter before dying.
*The sisters make it out of the building, but Lucy trips over concrete rubble and injures herself, unable to go on. Helena panics, yelling at Lucy to get up and run. She eventually leaves Lucy in the field of rubble and runs away to hide in a container. A group of Centurions appears and surrounds Lucy, who continues to cry out Helena's name.
*A Centurion discovers Helena inside the container. She finds a knife on the floor and nervously approaches the Centurion, preparing to attack it.
*The Centurion stops approaching the girl and retreats from the container, apparently having received instructions and information that the Cylon War is over and an armistice was signed. When Helena comes out, she finds only her sister's doll on the ground, and watches the Raiders leave the planet.
*Helena Cain lost her entire family on that day <ref name="watcher-forbes">{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/11/battlestar-ga-1.html|title='Battlestar Galactica: Razor' cuts to the heart of the matter|date=20 November 2007|accessdate=22 November 2007|last=Ryan|first=Maureen|format=|language=}}</ref>. (*)

=== The Fall of the Twelve Colonies ===
====Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards====
{{mainarticle|Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards}}
*[[Kendra Shaw]] waits at the [[Caprica Transfer Station]] for a ship to bring her to ''Pegasus''. She briefly chats with [[Frank Bruno]] about her mother, [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] delegate [[Marta Shaw]], her assignment and her career goals. (*)
*The battlestar ''Pegasus'' is docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] over [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Scorpia|Scorpia]] for a three-month overhaul. As Kendra Shaw approaches the ship from [[Raptor 179]], she gazes in awe at the size of the [[Mercury class battlestar]].
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]] is in her quarters, reviewing a crew status report as her [[XO]], Colonel [[Jurgen Belzen]] enters. He lightly encourages her to take her shore leave, but she insists that she could never leave ''Pegasus'' in the hands of the civilian contractors assigned to oversee her overhaul.
*In the port hangar bay, Raptor 179 has recently arrived. With orders to report directly to [[CIC#Pegasus|CIC]], Shaw steps down and asks a pair of passing crewman to help her locate it. The crewman, however, are too busy to notice her.
*Shaw wanders through the port [[flight pod]], past groups of busy civilians, until she finds [[Gina Inviere]], a civilian network administrator assigned to ''Pegasus'''s overhaul. Inviere shows Shaw a map of ''Pegasus'', with a route to the CIC, and the two discuss the origins of Gina's last name.
*Shaw eventually reaches the CIC, where she finds Cain and Belzen at the Command and Control station. Shaw drops her gear and salutes the admiral. Cain is harsh on her new aide. She grills Shaw for being late to the CIC, concluding that she either stopped for a cup of coffee, or got lost. After Shaw leaves, Cain breaks out in laughter with Belzen, revealing that she only had a joke at the lieutenant's expense.
*[[Hoshi]] escorts her to her quarters. As they are walking down the hallway, a large blast shakes ''Pegasus'', and the noise ripples through the hallway. Shaw and Hoshi are immediately thrown to the floor. As Shaw awakens, she is in a daze. She looks around to find Hoshi unconscious on the floor. The hallway has suddenly become a disaster area.
*Admiral Cain, who was on her way to her quarters at the time, finds Shaw and Hoshi in the corridor. She asks Shaw if she is alright, but when she doesn’t respond, Cain slaps her in the face. Shaw immediately awakens. The hallway echoes with screams of horror, and the [[Action Stations|Condition One]] sirens blare. After an aborted attempt to wake Hoshi, the two head to the CIC.
*''Pegasus'' is on fire in space. [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] flood the shipyard; missiles strike two helpless ''[[Valkyrie]]''-type battlestars nearby.
*In the CIC, Colonel [[Jack Fisk|Fisk]] and many of the CIC personnel are unconscious. Belzen is coordinating the response effort, but there have been multiple nuclear detonations. Luckily however, the battlestar still has main power and propulsion, but that’s about it. [[DRADIS]] and weapons have both been knocked out.
*The Cylon attack is taking its toll on the shipyards. The two ''Valkyrie''-type battlestars lose their moorings and one crashes into the shipyards, instantly destroying it.
*Cain orders the ship to seal all hatches and release all moorings in preparation for an immediate departure. As the ship evacuates the shipyards, Cain orders the [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series#Faster-Than-Light travel|FTL]] drive spun up for an immediate jump.
*A Cylon Raider fires two nuclear missiles at ''Pegasus'' from across the shipyards. The missiles fly past a [[Galactica type battlestar]] as its moorings are destroyed, and past the wreckage of several other battlestars and support vessels.
*Cain orders an immediate jump, but Shaw says that with the navigational computer off-line, she would have to enter a random set of coordinates, [[Blind jump|which could take the battlestar anywhere]], possibly within a star or other larger astral body. Cain yells back at her to do it anyway, and the battlestar jumps away.

====So Say We All====
*Two days since the attack on the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards, ''Pegasus'' is four to five jumps away from the Colonies. Belzen reports that many of ''Pegasus'''s [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor]]s are either destroyed or beyond repair, over a quarter of the crew is dead, and rumors are circulating about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies and the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]].
*Shaw has been working without sleep to restore the navigational and defense computer systems, and she has finally done it. Additionally, she has discovered lines of hidden Cylon computer code inside the [[Command Navigation Program]], which was fortunately down during the attack. Shaw suggests that the entire program be purged from the system.
*After ordering two Raptors on a reconnaissance mission back to the Colonies, the time has finally come for Cain to reveal the extent of the devastation at home to her crew. She tells them that their colonies have been destroyed, their cities nuked, their fleet obliterated. While the victory of one ship may seem unattainable when even their very survival is at stake, she tells them that they have revenge to reach for instead.
*In an expression of determination and conviction, the crew resoundingly shouts, “So say we all!” over and over, after hearing Cain’s words.
*Cain, Shaw, Fisk and Belzen are in the admiral’s quarters, looking over recently gathered intelligence for a low-risk attack on a Cylon outpost. They are discussing a somewhat isolated communications relay when Gina Inviere enters. She greets the admiral with a kiss and a flirtatious shoulder pinch, and the five sit down to enjoy some wine and conversation.
*Cain assures her senior staff that while she does want to engage in guerrilla warfare tactics against the Cylons, she is not willing to put the ship and crew in any amount of excessive danger.
*Shaw and Inviere are working on firewalling all of ''Pegasus'''s computer networks to prevent them from being infiltrated by the Cylons, but constantly having to find a senior officer to input their command codes for system access is making the process take exceedingly long. Inviere discreetly complains about it, and Shaw says that under the circumstances, she would speak to Cain about raising her clearance. In the meantime, she gives Inviere her own command code to use. Inviere then discusses her relationship with Cain in greater detail.

====Battle of the Communications Relay ====
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*''Pegasus'' prepares for a hit-and-run attack on what appears to be a somewhat neglected Cylon communications relay. However, when ''Pegasus'' arrives, there are twelve Cylon Raiders guarding the relay. Despite the increased enemy presence, Cain orders [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]] to advance.
*Almost the second after the Vipers are launched, fifteen enemy squadrons of fighters jump into DRADIS range. Cain orders ''Pegasus'''s defensive fire concentrated on the incoming attack squadrons, but Shaw reports that the weapons grid won't respond to commands.
*In spite of the odds, Cain orders Belzen to launch the reserve Vipers, but he insists that taking such an action would cost too many lives and resources. She persists in her orders, but Belzen refuses to carry them out. Cain orders Belzen to hand her his sidearm, which she uses to shoot him in the forehead, in front of the entire bridge crew. <ref>This event is recalled by [[Jack Fisk]] to [[Saul Tigh]] months later, over drinks, in the Season 2 episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]."</ref>
*Cain turns to a stunned Fisk, tells him that he is now the [[Executive Officer|XO]] and orders him to launch the reserve Vipers. Fisk, nearly petrified by what he just saw, is more than compelled to follow the order. As the last of ''Pegasus’s'' remaining squadrons launch, Cylon batteries pound the hull.
*With the weapons grid down, Cylon [[Heavy Raider]]s easily breach ''Pegasus’s'' defensive perimeter. [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] begin pouring into the ship through breached [[airlock]]s. Cain orders fast-response teams of [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to engage the Centurions, and orders Shaw to Secondary Damage Control, as she fears that the Cylons will use this junction to vent all of ''Pegasus’s'' air into space.<ref>This tactic is reminiscent of a similar tactic attempted by the Cylons in the episode "[[Valley of Darkness]]."</ref>
*As Shaw heads to Secondary Damage Control, she finds Gina Inviere trying to escape the Centurions, and orders her to the CIC. As she peers around the corner, she is almost seen by a Centurion. She waits for it to leave, and as she turns the corner to go down the hallway, she sees a [[Number Six]] Cylon, following the Centurion. At first, Shaw doesn’t understand what she sees, but then it comes together – [[Humanoid Cylon|the Cylons can mimic human form]], and Gina Inviere is one of them. Shaw shoots and kills the Six, leaving it dead right in front of a security camera.
*Shaw immediately heads to the CIC to take Inviere, now also in CIC, into custody before she can do any more harm. In the CIC, she directs her weapon at Inviere, and orders the Marines to take her into custody. When Cain belays the order, Shaw states that Gina is a Cylon infiltrator and that "they can look like us". When Cain scoffs, Shaw asks Hoshi to display the security feed from Airlock 4.
*Cain balks at the image of the dead humanoid Cylon in the form of her lover. Feeling betrayed and without any other options, she orders the guards to remove Inviere ("''this thing''") from the bridge. As a Cylon missile strikes ''Pegasus'', Gina uses the moment to flip her captor around by the jaw, and gains control of his [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Handheld weapons|weapon]], which she uses to shoot his comrade. She then snaps the Marine's neck, and trains her weapon on Cain. In a moment of hesitation, Inviere cannot bring herself to shoot Cain, and Shaw sneaks up behind her, clubbing the Cylon over the head with the butt of her rifle.

====Massacre aboard the ''Scylla''====
* The victory at the communications relay is bittersweet. Over eight hundred of ''Pegasus''’s original crew are now dead <ref>Kendra Shaw reports "at least 816 dead, 121 injured" after the attack on the com relay. Earlier, Colonel Belzen reports the loss of over 700 people in the attack on the shipyards. Given ''Pegasus'''s crew complement of approximately 1,750 when she encounters ''Galactica'', adding both numbers would mean that almost half of the crew died. ''Battlestar Wiki'' assumes that Shaw is relating the casualties of both battles.</ref>, over 90 Vipers are either destroyed or out of commission, and the deck crew doesn't have the resources to repair all remaining ones.
*As Cain and Shaw discuss the battle, Gina Inviere looks on from her cell. Shaw blames herself for the high cost of the battle, for giving Inviere her access codes, which she used to take down the weapons grid.
*The hatch opens, and Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] salutes Admiral Cain. Cain orders him to use whatever means he can conjure to retrieve information from Inviere, including torture and rape. As Thorne enters Inviere’s cell, Cain is called to the CIC.
*As Cain enters the CIC, Fisk is elated to inform the admiral that a convoy of 15 civilian ships has been detected. Fisk and Shaw are thrilled at the discovery, but the mood quickly turns sour when they realize Cain has other things on her mind. Cain orders Fisk to prepare teams of Marines and engineers to board each ship. They will take what they need, including spare parts and people, and leave the ships without FTL drives to fend for themselves.
*Fisk and Shaw come aboard the ''[[Scylla]]'', where they find a relieved welcoming party. [[Peter Laird]] is the first to welcome them aboard. Excitement quickly turns to confusion however, when they hand Laird a list of Admiral Cain’s orders. Laird is shocked to learn that Cain wants to take their FTL drives. Laird informs the welcoming party, and they suddenly become an angry mob. Shaw informs them that they will use force if necessary, but Laird persistently refuses.
*As the mob inches closer to the boarding party, Fisk reports to Cain of the escalating situation. In an act that surprises even him, she orders him to shoot the families of any selectee that doesn’t comply with the orders.
*Fisk and the Marines are wary of the order, but they line up a couple of the families despite their reservations, hoping that showing the mob their resolve will force them to comply. The angry mob suddenly becomes violent – they throw whatever they can at the boarding party.
*At that very moment, Shaw pulls out her sidearm, and shoots a woman in the front in the head. The Marines follow suit, and before very long, the deck of the ''Scylla'' is painted with the blood of the dead. Shaw’s gaze drifts to her sidearm, still smoking from the shot, and then up to Laird, who is too stunned to move.
*In the aftermath, Shaw cannot bring her eyes to look upon the dead. Fisk comforts her by telling her that the entire fleet heard about what happened and there should be no more resistance. As her party leaves the ''Scylla'', she can’t help but look back.
*For her actions aboard the ''Scylla'', Cain promotes Shaw to captain. It is small comfort to Shaw, who is still anguished by what she has done. Seeing her vulnerability, Cain tells Shaw that the war is forcing them all to do things that they may not like, even hate, because if they don’t, then they may not live to simply become human again. By putting aside her fear, her reservations, even her revulsion to complete the mission, Shaw has become Cain’s "razor".

=== Present events ===
* Newly-promoted Commander [[Lee Adama]] is formally appointed commander of ''Pegasus'' by [[Laura Roslin]] in front of the ship's crew. In his speech he promises to change things on the battlestar and announces [[Kara Thrace]]'s appointment as acting [[CAG]].
* Shaw follows the speech on the [[wireless]] set, but eventually switches it off. She walks to a jar, takes out a syringe and injects herself with a drug. She is still troubled about what happened on the ''Scylla''.
* Next, she is summoned to Adama's office, who reads her service file and points out that she received glowing reports from Cain, but increasingly negatives ones from Fisk and [[Barry Garner|Garner]], who eventually assigned her to kitchen duty because of "persistent insubordinate behavior". After listening to Shaw's candid opinions about him and his predecessors, Adama offers her the job of executive officer; he intends to give the crew back its pride, and as an outsider he needs someone to uphold Cain's legacy.
* During a firearms drill, she shows competence but also how hard she is on the crew. William Adama comments that his son found an XO meaner than [[Saul Tigh]].
* The Admiral gives Commander Adama his first mission: a [[SAR|search and rescue]] for two pilots and a civilian science team in an overdue Raptor.
* At their destination, Starbuck and [[Showboat]] conduct a Viper patrol and suddenly encounter enemy fighters of an unfamiliar configuration. Although able to identify them as Cylons, Starbuck doesn't realize that they are in fact [[Raiders (RDM)#Cylon War-era Raider|Raiders like the ones used in the first Cylon War]].
* ''Pegasus'' establishes a defensive perimeter and orders the Vipers to return prior to an FTL jump. When the [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series#Navigation computer|navigational computer]] malfunctions and the Raiders close, Shaw orders to the vessel's offensive flight pod [[Battery|batteries]] turned on the incoming targets, placing Starbuck and Showboat inside the battlestar's close-in firing solution. Struggling their way through the barrage, a Raider follows them into the [[flight pod]], which Starbuck shoots down once inside the landing bay. On the [[hangar deck]], she angrily confronts Shaw over her decision to open fire, but Adama defends his XO.
* ''Pegasus'' returns to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], and Admiral Adama, Roslin and Tigh inspect the downed Raider on the hangar deck. [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon Valerii]] recalls the "[[Guardians]]", a group of [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Centurion models]] that escaped being scrapped by the [[humanoid Cylons]]. The Guardians guard the [[first Hybrid]], created by the Cylons as a first attempt at an organic model and eventually abandoned as an evolutionary dead end. This causes Adama to remember the events on the ice planet on the last day of the Cylon War, finally realizing the significance of what he saw over 40 years ago.
* After examining the Raider's navigational data, Admiral Adama believes that the Raptor crew was captured by the Guardians and orders his son to jump to a possible base of theirs. For the duration of the operation, he transfers his flag to ''Pegasus'', but assures Lee that it will be his mission.
* Shaw drafts an attack plan for ''Pegasus'' to draw Cylon forces away while a Raptor, piloted by Thrace and carrying a strike team, jumps to the Cylon base. Before signing off on the plan, Lee Adama confronts Shaw over the incident on the ''Scylla''. She just replies that she is Cain's legacy - a razor - and that Cain wouldn't have hesitated to execute the plan.
* Before the battle Shaw is about to take another shot of the drug and when she is caught by Thrace, who is looking for a bottle of [[ambrosia]]. The two stalemate and agree to keep each other's secrets, and realize that they are more alike than they thought.
* Thrace is going over the Raptor prepared for the mission and told by Shaw that Chief Tyrol already checked everything. During their chat, the two notice that Thrace's [[Socrata Thrace|mother]] and Admiral Cain weren't too different, advising to repress one's fear and focus on the anger. Thrace remarks that her mother only had her anger left in the end and died alone. (*)
* The mission doesn't go as planned when the strike team's Raptor is pursued by two Raiders. They simulate an engine malfunction, emergency blow the side hatch and sling themselves out of the flat-spinning Raptor before it is destroyed by the Cylons, escaping undetected. Using EVA thrusters, they make their way to the Guardian basestar.
* Thrace, Shaw, [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]], [[Dasilva]] and [[Hudson]] find the missing Raptor crew, whom the Cylons mutilate in a manner similar to what William Adama saw in the first Cylon War. As they free the survivors, two Centurions attack, wound Dasilva and begin to drag him away. Unwilling to let him suffer same treatment as the Raptor crew, Shaw shoots Dasilva, but in turn is shot in the abdomen.
* While under cover from the firefight, Mathias reports to ''Pegasus'' that the detonator for the nuclear warhead, which they plan to use to destroy the basestar, is damaged.
* ''Pegasus'' loses wireless contact with the boarding team and Lee Adama orders a [[Missile tubes|nuclear ship to ship missile]] to be armed and readied. Thrace herself considers the "mission outcome doubtful". Assuming that the team is dead, Commander Adama orders the launch of the missile, but is overridden by his father, who wants to give the team a chance.
* After reestablishing contact and learning that an evacuation Raptor is on the way, Shaw orders Mathias to rig a manual detonator for the nuke, determined to complete the mission. While Lee is reluctant to sacrifice someone to detonate the warhead, his father believes that the Cylons would easily shoot down a missile, but leaves the final decision to Lee. He orders Thrace to get the team to safety, but to stay behind and detonate the nuke manually.
* The team prepares to suit up and leave, when Shaw forces Thrace to hand over the warhead at gunpoint and remains on the baseship. Walking through the hallways, she finds the Cylon Hybrid, who knows her name, saying that he has been waiting for her for a long time. He tells her that the Centurions worship him as god, and observes Shaw's desire to be forgiven for what she has become. The Hybrid also delivers a warning about Thrace: she will lead the human race to its end, she is the herald of the apocalypse and the harbinger of death, and she must not be followed.
* Shaw tries to relay this to ''Pegasus'', but her transmission is blocked by Cylon jamming shortly after the start, and the warning is not heard. She then detonates the nuke, killing herself and destroying the basestar.
* Later, the Adamas discuss the battle and its outcome, the admiral noting Thrace's recommendation of Shaw for a posthumous commendation. Reviewing the logs, Admiral Adama doesn't find fault in either Cain's or Shaw's decisions, but Commander Adama vehemently disagrees, citing the ''Scylla''. The admiral replies that he never had to face similar circumstances, and that he had people like Lee, Roslin and Tigh to counsel and challenge him and keep him from making extreme and questionable decisions. He comforts Lee, telling him that his decision to launch the nuclear missile and sacrifice the strike team wasn't wrong, just necessary from Lee's perspective at the time.
* Outside [[Officer's quarters#Admiral Adama's quarters|Adama's quarters]], Lee meets Thrace, who now has Cain's knife given to her by Shaw. She is unsure if Shaw sacrificed herself as atonement or if she just "had it coming." Thrace tells him that she requested reassignment back to ''Galactica'' because she thinks Lee would keep trying to get her killed. When asked if she might deserve that, she jokingly replies that she has a [[The Destiny|destiny]] and plans to live to keep it.



== Notes ==

===Production===
*A four-part podcast of the original story meeting for "Razor" is available on the [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/season04/ SciFi website].
* Despite being credited, [[Aaron Douglas]] ([[Galen Tyrol]]), [[Tahmoh Penikett]] ([[Karl Agathon]]), [[Alessandro Juliani]] ([[Felix Gaeta]]), [[Michael Trucco]] ([[Samuel Anders]]), [[Kandyse McClure]] ([[Anastasia Dualla]]) and [[Matthew Bennett]] ([[Number Five]]/[[Aaron Doral]]) do not appear in the aired version of "Razor".
**Bennett appears briefly in the [[Razor Flashback]] web-episodes as [[Aaron Doral]], in a flashback two days before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
**Tyrol is mentioned by Admiral Adama having helped [[Gaius Baltar]] remove navigational information from the Cylon Raider, but is never seen otherwise.
* [[Michael Taylor]] noted that the original opening for "Razor" was inspired by ''[[w:Apocalypse Now|Apocalypse Now]]'', but this was later cut <ref name="thewatcher">{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/11/answers-to-your.html|title=Answers to your 'Razor' questions and clues about 'Battlestar Galactica's' final season|date=16 November 2007|accessdate=16 November 2007|last=Ryan|first=Maureen|format=|language=}}</ref>.
* A scene with [[Alastair Thorne]] torturing [[Gina]] while Cain looks on was filmed but removed as "it played a little too much like an outtake from ''[[w:Spartacus|Spartacus]]''."<ref name="thewatcher"/> Part of it can still be seen in the recap at the beginning of the movie.
*According to composer [[Bear McCreary]], no specific soundtrack release for "Razor" is currently planned. However, the best tracks will be included on the Season 4 soundtrack <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=205|title=Bear McCreary's blog|date=|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>.
*According to [[Gary Hutzel]], the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] was written so that "we would see it in bits and pieces. For the most part, it centered on the fact that they had to jump out of there before two nuclear missiles hit them." As for the [[blind jump]], the impetus for it was to be filmed only from the point-of-view of the CIC personnel, who saw the two incoming warheads on [[DRADIS]], which prompted the jump. However, [[Felix Alacla]] wanted the scene to be something out of ''[[w:Pearl Harbor (film)|Pearl Harbor]]'', thus the shots showing the destruction of the shipyards were added in.<ref name="vfxworld-2">{{cite_web|url=http://vfxworld.com/?atype=articles&id=3460&page=2|title=
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* Hutzel laid out the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] shots himself, eventually choosing the chrome appearance over a sophisticated silver metallic appearance, as the chrome surfaces were best for reflections.<ref name="vfxworld-2"/>
* Universal Home Entertainment financed part of "Razor" for DVD-only effects and other material for the show which is proprietary, which is why such effects sequences are on the DVD or used in promotional material.<ref name="vfxworld-2"/>
* Furthermore, the special effects shots were done in house without using a third-party source: over 184 shots were done, 120 of them being full CGI. Many new ships had to be developed specifically for "Razor", in addition to the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]-inspired Centurions.<ref name="vfxworld">{{cite_web|url=http://vfxworld.com/?atype=articles&id=3460|title=
Raising the VFX Bar In-House on ''Battlestar Galactica: Razor''|date=26 November 2007|accessdate=30 November 2007|last=Bennett|first=Tara DiLullo|format=|language=|page=1}}</ref>

===Story===
* As [[Kendra Shaw]] scrubs through the [[wireless]] bands, she happens upon a [[Talk Wireless]] broadcast where the wireless personality notes [[Laura Roslin]]'s cancer remission, going on to infer that there was speculation on how the remission was brought about. Another snippet mentions Roslin's "recent" ban of abortion.
* The [[Guardian basestar]] appears to be an evolutionary gap in between the older Cylon War-era [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and the newer starfish type basestar.
* The flashback of a young William Adama finding a Cylon lab during the war is part of the fifth, sixth, and seventh episodes of the [[Razor Flashbacks|"Razor" web-episodes]].
* According to [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]], the [[Hybrid]]s were created as a means to grow out of their mechanical roots and into biological ones. The Cylons considered the hybrids a failure and, after creating enough of them to control their baseships, the project was abandoned.
*At the end Thrace asks to be re-assigned to ''Galactica'', currently holding the position of ''Pegasus'''s [[CAG]], which she assumes in "[[The Captain's Hand]]".
*Despite being a major, Kendra Shaw wears a colonel's [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniform]] with white/red trim. As shown on Doctor [[Cottle]] earlier, a major's uniform only has a white trim.
* When ''Pegasus'' jumps away from the Scorpion Fleet Yards, the vacuum created from the jump appears to suck in the surrounding flames and smoke of battle. This effect has been seen before in "[[Exodus, Part II]]" following ''Galactica'''s intra-atmosphere jump.

===Unrated DVD===

* [[Virtual Six]] appears in the unrated version of the DVD and reveals why the Cylons achieved human form, claiming that since their God created humanity in his image, the Cylons wanted to do the same, regardless of how much they themselves loathed humanity.
* Young William Adama says the word "cocksucker" in reference to the Cylon he pursues as he breaks away from ''Columbia'' (e.g. "This cocksucker's mine."). The dialogue is redubbed in the [[Razor Flashbacks]] to "This frakker's mine."
* When Cain shoots Belzen in the head, a large amount of blood splatters on the glass wall behind him. This is a noticeably more graphic depiction of a head shot than ''Battlestar Galactica'' shows on television. Usually, only the entry wound is shown and the camera avoids the area behind the head; for example also when Number Six is shot in "[[Precipice]]" and Three in "[[Hero]]".
*The DVD version includes an additional monologue by the [[first Hybrid]] when the strike team arrives at the basestar. It is intercut with footage of the team making its way through the ship. This is a reference to the revelation of four of the [[Final Five]] Cylons during "[[Crossroads, Part II]]":
:"Soon there will be four glorious new awakenings, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion they will find that enemies are brought together by an awesome sense of belonging. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward, the once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering."
*Additionally, the first Hybrid continues its monologue, explaining the future of the [[Significant Seven|seven other Cylon models]]. It demonstrates knowledge that only six of seven are still operational as well:
:"I can see them all - the seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves are of no sin, but in time it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning."
* The [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards|attack on the Scorpion shipyards]] includes additional special effects scenes of the battle.
* The DVD version does not include all of the [[Razor Flashbacks]], namely Episodes 1, 2 and and the ''Galactica'' scenes of Episode 7.

== Analysis ==

*Given the overall [[survivor count]] and the tally of 49,579 during the credits, "Razor" takes place between "[[The Captain's Hand]]" and "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]". Captions also place the flashback portions 10 months prior to the present events. However this timespan is closer to 9 months.
**This is also the only time during Lee Adama's command of ''Pegasus'' that the episode can even fit, since Starbuck leaves for Caprica in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I". See also ''[[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]]''
**Adama's selection of Shaw as his [[XO]] likely takes place very shortly after him taking command of ''Pegasus'', but other parts of the episode might take place slightly later.
**[[Sharon Agathon]]'s appearance ''may indicate'' that this episode takes place before "[[Downloaded]]", however this cannot be confirmed by any visual evidence as her appearance is brief and all camera shots are seemingly aimed to avoid shooting her belly. However, it can be reasonably surmised that because she is still cooperating with the Colonials that [[Hera]]'s birth and her subsequent faked death haven't occurred yet.
*According to Admiral Cain, a razor is someone who can set aside all fear, hesitation, revulsion and natural inhibition in battle (see [[#Noteworthy Dialogue|noteworthy dialogue]]).
**When Cain recruits [[Jack Fisk]] to assassinate Commander Adama, she tells him that he needs to pick Marines who are "[completely] reliable. Completely loyal. Razors." ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
**This bears a passing semblance to a poem by Japanese [[Wikipedia:Isoroku Yamamoto|Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto]]: "I am still the sword/Of my Emperor/I will not be sheathed/Until I die." Admiral Yamamoto knew about America, Americans and their potential from his time as a student at Harvard and as a naval attaché in Washington, DC. Despite misgivings about declaring war on America, he served his Emperor and planned the attack on Pearl Harbor.
**A razor is a physically present symbol in the episode in the form of a folding knife. It is passed from Cain to Shaw and eventually to Kara Thrace. The knife is used by Cain to explain the concept and how a person becomes one.
*Regarding the casualties suffered by ''Pegasus'' during the [[Battle of the Communications Relay]], Shaw's report that ''Pegasus'' suffered over 800 dead likely refers to the total casualty rate since the Cylon attack. Since ''Pegasus'' already suffered over 700 losses fleeing the Scorpion shipyards, adding 800 to this figure would mean that almost half the crew were killed. Considering that ''Pegasus'''s crew is approximately 1,750 when she encounters ''Galactica'', such a high death rate seems unlikely.
*The woman shot by Shaw could have been [[Peter Laird]]'s wife, given the pan shot from his expression as he looks at the bodies, to the dead woman's face. His evasiveness when asked about the rumors circulating about the ''Scylla'' in the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" would support this. His reaction to the woman's execution, however, can be taken one of two ways. He was either a man in complete shock of witnessing his wife's death or a man who was horrified from what he didn't believe was possible of Colonial military. Laird never mentions a wife explicitly.
*Given that an evac Raptor successfully retrieves the assault team by docking or at least flying close to the Guardian basestar without incident, it seems that the Guardian basestar itself appears to be unarmed and totally reliant on its Raiders for defense, unlike the standard [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon basestar]].
*A curious technical gaffe appears to occur as the smoke from the various fires in the shipyard travel upward. Unless the flames (which would appear as a globular "blossom" shape without gravity) jet upward, the smoke, with the lack of convection (heat rising upward as lighter gases against gravity), would expand in all directions opposite the flames or venting, not "up" relative to the battlestar or flames.
*In stark contrast to her demeanor by the time of the rendezvous with ''Galactica'', Helena Cain is visibly more relaxed with her crew: She is stern when necessary, but also enjoys several moments of levity with subordinates and cultivates personable relations with her staff; she regards [[Jurgen Belzen]] as a personal friend (as described later by Fisk to Tigh); she initiates Shaw to ''Pegasus'' by chewing her out in the CIC and shares a humored look with her XO afterwards; the atmosphere at the dinner is very informal; she expresses strong emotions and sheds tears as she surveys the ship's casualties. All these point to the war and especially Gina's betrayal as reasons for her push over the edge to become a "razor" and the narrowing of her perspective to pure vengeance.
*Although she may have sacrificed herself in atonement, Kendra Shaw ended her life as a razor, casting aside fear and self-preservation to stay behind and die to complete her mission, echoing Admiral Cain's observation that "sometimes we have to leave people behind so that we can go on, so that we can continue to fight. Sometimes you have do things that we never thought we were capable of ..." When she arrives on ''Pegasus'', she is regarded as an opportunist, but in the end she is quite the opposite.
*Kendra Shaw's death marks the final transition from Cain's legacy to Admiral Adama's. Shaw was the last of Cain's inner circle. She was one of the officers who had Cain's utmost respect and trust. Her death signifies the complete replacement of ''Pegasus'''s original leadership and opens up the merging of the two battlestar crews.
*Admiral Cain suggests that Kendra Shaw used her mother's connections to secure an upwardly-mobile assignment on ''Pegasus'' — an ironic criticism, since then-Commander William Adama mentions to President Roslin how well-connected Cain is, helping her jump over half the commanders list for promotion to admiral ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).
*Both Shaw and Thrace have been noticed and mentored by Admiral Cain. In this respect, the friction between the two takes on aspects of sibling rivalry.
*Based on the restored scenes on the "Razor" DVD, Admiral Cain's past plays a huge role in how she approached the second Cylon War. As a child, Cain abandoned her little sister in order to hide from Centurions. Though this scene of a young Cain is mixed in Cain's speech of the need to leave some behind in order to go on fighting, it implies a sense of guilt on Cain's part for having abandoned her sister to the Cylons. Her entire rationale in actively fighting the Cylons and not running portrays a need for her to take a stand and fight. She had a need to stop running.
*Also in the DVD version, the razor that Cain carries, is revealed to have a deeper meaning to Cain than simply a weapon. The razor was an impromptu weapon Cain discovered while she was attempting to hide from the Centurions. When she is finally discovered, she makes her last stand with only this razor. In the end, it becomes the only object that she still carried, and what she eventually became, a last resort weapon.
*Cain and Adama had two different reactions to the end of the first Cylon War. Adama had the desire to attack and pursue the Cylons, to continue the fighting. Cain wanted to run and hide from the Cylons. Adama witnessed the escape of the First Hybrid's ship, feeling the responsibility of the lost lives that he could not save. Cain witnessed the escape of a Centurion Raider, realizing her responsibility in loosing her little sister's life, whom she could have saved.

== Questions ==

* How does the Hybrid know [[Kendra Shaw]]?
* Is the Hybrid's warning that [[Kara Thrace]] is the harbinger of death true? Does it say this to ensure that the eternal cycle continues per Pythian prophecy?
* Who is [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]'s [[CAG]] after Thrace steps down?
* Whose decision was it to scrap the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|old Centurions]]? Did they resist?
* When the [[first Hybrid]] says "My children believe I am a god", to whom is he referring? The old model Cylons? The organic models?
* What does the first Hybrid mean when he says his existence will "begin again in ways uncertain"?
** Does this statement imply that the first Hybrid is capable of [[Resurrection (RDM)|downloading]]?
* Are all of the Guardians on the basestar when it is destroyed, or did they build other bases in the decades before?
* Is the first Hybrid one of the original humans who were captured on the ''[[Diana]]''?
* Is the physical appearance of the first Hybrid what the original human appeared, or did it physically age?
* Given Sharon Agathon's statement that the Hybrid experiment was abandoned after others were created to control the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]], do the Cylons only have a limited number of them?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Michael Taylor]] on the scene with the three [[Guardians]] in the [[Raider (RDM)|Cylon War-era Raider]]:''
: Actually, early references to talking [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] were cut from early versions of the script, only to be resurrected by one of our VFX guys, [[Adam Lebowitz|Adam “Mojo” Lebowitz]], who ended up giving them very similar dialogue to what I once had. We all mulled the issue and then concluded: What the [heck]; how can we revisit that era and not hear one of the signature lines? And yes, we’re a serious show, but sometimes it’s also not so terrible to acknowledge that this is a show, with a debt to another show, no matter how thoroughly we’ve tried to re-imagine it.<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* ''Taylor discusses the limited appearance of [[Alastair Thorne]] in "Razor":''
: There’s only so many characters and storylines that we could explore in a movie of even nearly two hours, and frankly this was [[Helena Cain|Cain]]’s and [[Kendra Shaw|Kendra]]’s story. As far as the character of the torturer, Lt. Thorne, goes, I think it was scary enough to introduce him and imagine what poor [[Gina]] had in store.<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* ''Taylor discusses the narrative of the story:''
: The script itself is somewhat less flashbacky, telling the story in a more chronological, linear way. Ultimately, we found it more effective to ground the story by relating it through a more present-day frame in which our regular characters, including Lee and Kara, are more front-and-center. But whether intended in the same way or not, what I like about both "Unfinished Business" and "Razor" is the way they fracture time, and show how the past affects and informs the present. I suppose that’s probably one of the themes that interests me most as a writer.<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* ''Taylor discusses the relationship between [[Gina]] and [[Helena Cain]]:''
: I think part of the point about Cain’s and Gina’s relationship is that the fact that they had a same-sex relationship was no big deal. I think we started from the idea of wanting to explore whether Cain’s anger and revulsion at Gina, so evident in her first appearance in Season Two’s “Pegasus,” had a personal component. And the idea that Cain had had an intimate relationship with Gina quickly came to mind. It made Gina’s betrayal that much more devastating for her.

:That being said, we did not want to make much about the idea of Cain being “gay,” if indeed she is gay, or if indeed Colonial society makes much of the distinction between hetero- and homosexual preferences. I tend to think that in this respect, at least, they’re a bit more enlightened than we are. That being said, we honestly have not done much exploring of the sexual orientations of other characters so far in Season 4. If it were to serve a dramatic purpose—as it does in "Razor" —other than to underscore that homosexuality is as much a part of the ''Battlestar'' world as it is of ours, we may well. We still have a season of scripts to write, so who knows: Look out, “[[w:The L Word|The L Word]],” we’re coming for your [[List of Nielsen ratings (RDM)|Nielsen ratings]].<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* ''Taylor discusses how this story originated:''
: A number of ideas were tossed around, but they all centered on using the movie as an opportunity to revisit the series’ past. I believe an early notion of mine may even have touched on a [[w:Terminator|Terminator]]-like time-travel scenario that put some of our characters back on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] before the attack, but with foreknowledge of what was about to happen. I remember pitching the idea that [William] Adama would have to convince Cain to trust him and then join forces to try to stop the attack.

:All the writers were on a conference call with the show’s creators and executive producers, [[Ron D. Moore|Ron Moore]] and [[David Eick]], and I recall David in particular perking up at the mention of Cain and ''Pegasus''. It quickly became clear that our story would center around Cain’s ship and its own, very different journey in the aftermath of [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|the Cylon attacks]], and with that idea firmly in place the time travel and other kooky stuff quickly fell by the wayside and we began constructing a much more realistic story where our characters’ choices in the face of calamity, rather than through time-travel-enabled hindsight, became the key. But then that’s what ''Battlestar'' has always been about: the pressure of making genuine choices in real, and often horrific situations.<ref name="thewatcher"/>

* ''[[Michelle Forbes]] (Admiral [[Helena Cain]]) discusses [[Gina]]'s betrayal:''

: It was a massive betrayal. This woman is rarely vulnerable with anyone. She doesn’t allow herself that. For her to have taken that step [and become Gina’s lover] and been so ultimately betrayed, it did her head in, it did her heart in.

: She became very misguided at that time. I feel the actions that she took in that misguided place still were along the lines of what she felt she needed to do. And there’s nothing that she did that some world leader has not done.

: It’s very painful, what she did to Gina. There was such a deep sadness, but [for her] duty overrides that sadness, otherwise things don’t get done. There’s a lot of sorrow [in Cain]. It was not a punishment as much of a means to an end.<ref name="watcher-forbes"/>

* ''Forbes on the questions raised in the series:''

: These heightened situations [in ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'' bring up] these heightened questions we have to ask. As [Adama] says [[Miniseries, Night 1|in a speech]] [earlier in the series], ‘Are we worthy of survival? Who are we? Who have we become? Have we just become animals and it’s survival at any cost?’ These are important questions to raise.

: I love the fact that they ask these questions but never in a preachy manner. These are painful questions to ask. It’s so relevant it gives me goosebumps sometimes.

: This and ''[[w:The Wire|The Wire]]'' are just the two best written TV shows out there. You can’t just tune in and tune out. It’s not mindless entertainment. Occasionally with ''The Wire'' too I also feel like I need a notebook next to me [laughs]. They’re just fantastic stories with such complexity.

:It’s a very exciting time to be part of television. I feel so fortunate that I’ve been involved in some pretty interesting, odd shows. There are many more cropping up out there.

:[As for ''Battlestar Galactica''] I’ve never guested on a show and walked away a bigger fan. I was so thrilled to see everyone again, I am so fond of this company. They’re lovely people and the crew is fantastic. And this is not just an actor blowing smoke [laughs].<ref name="watcher-forbes"/>

* ''[[Gary Hutzel]] discusses the special effects of the tele-film:''

: Honestly, if we had gone with an outside house, we would have only been able to do a third of Razor at most. We were able to really accommodate this show and do over 184 effects. Over 120 of them are full CGI, 30 to 50 layer comps. It was very heavy, complex stuff. If we did not have an in-house op and went to do this show, it would have literally cut the show in half and then cut it down from there because of the expectations. In this case, we beefed up scenes and added shots and even a whole new sequence. We went from being down half the show to actually increasing a number of shots.<ref name="vfxworld"/>

* ''Hutzel discusses the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] and other new CG scenes:''

: In meeting together and talking about what we'd like to do for Razor, we all agreed that it's basically our chance to do a ''Galactica'' movie. We have a feature quality cast and writing standards, but no opportunity to do one for financial reasons. Consequently, we approached it as a completely separate project. As it turns out, it was very much like doing a new pilot. We had to create many, many new models and work out new details for the sequences. Specifically, we had the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]] Centurions and original series ships that had to be created. Normally that type of development is only done on a pilot. But these were all new ideas, with new ships and an entire new fleet for the ''Pegasus'', and a huge fleet of shipyards. It was a huge undertaking for us... like a feature.<ref name="vfxworld"/>

* ''Hutzel on the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]]:''

: So we discussed what we wanted to do and we developed a huge sequence that was all done in previs, including the [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s jumping in and then sending the virus to the docks. In the lore of the story from the [[miniseries]], at that time, they [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|took them by surprise]] by sending the virus to cut them off. So we had them coming in, the power going off, cruising over the docks and finally attacking. Eventually, the chain reaction on a ship next to ''Pegasus'' begins to detonate so we came up with this very elaborate sequence that we presented to [exec producer] Ron Moore. What ended up happening in this case was there wasn't enough live action to support what we'd done, but it still allowed us to run free and develop it from beginning to end. We trimmed it back until it felt like a good flow and it completely revitalized that sequence. It worked really well. It's a complex sequence with Raiders and lots and lots of pyro. Now because of our budget, we couldn't shoot pyro so we combined some original pyro elements from the miniseries with full CGI pyro which worked very, very well.<ref name="vfxworld-2"/>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]] talks to [[Kendra Shaw]] about her conduct during the crisis:''
:Sometimes we have to leave people behind so that we can go on. So that we can continue to fight. Sometimes we have to do things that we never thought we were capable of, if only to show the enemy our will. Yesterday, you showed me that you're capable of setting aside your fear, setting aside your hesitation, and even your revulsion. Every natural inhibition that, during battle, can mean the difference between life and death. (opens folding knife.) When you can be this for as long as you have to be, then you're a razor. (closes knife.) This war is forcing us all to become razors. Because if we don't, we don't survive. And then we don't have the luxury of becoming simply human again. Do you understand me?

*''Opening narration by Kendra Shaw:''
:You're born, you live and you die. There are no do-overs, no second chances to make things right if you frak 'em up the first time. Not in this life anyway. [...] Like I said, you make your choices and you live with them. And in end you are those choices.

*''[[Gina Inviere]] about Helena Cain and their relationship:''
:She has needs, just like the rest of us. No one can survive entirely on their own. Trust me Lieutenant, in the end, we're all just human.

*''Admiral Cain gives a speech to her crew after the [[Cylon attack]]:''
:This is your admiral. I know there've been a lot of rumors going around...about the destruction that's been visited on our [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|homeworlds]] by the Cylons. I would like to tell you that they're exaggerations, but in fact it can not even come close to convey the horror that's been unleashed upon us. The facts are...that our colonies have been destroyed, our cities have been nuked, and our fleet's gone too. So far there have been no indications of any other survivors. I imagine you're all asking yourselves the same question I am: What do we do now? Do we run? Do we hide? I think those are the easy choices. A philosopher once said "When faced with untenable alternatives you should consider your imperative." Look around you. Our imperative is right here, in our bulkheads, in our planes, in our guns and in ourselves. War is our imperative. And if right now victory seems like an impossibility, then we have something else to reach for: revenge, payback. So we will fight. Because in the end it's the only alternative our enemies have left us. I say let's make these murdering things understand that as long as this crew and this ship survive, that this war, that they started, will not be over. Thank you.

*''Cain and Shaw in the aftermath of the attack on the Cylon communications relay:''
:'''Shaw:''' 32 Vipers destroyed. 61 badly damaged. The acting chief says we don't have enough parts to repair them all.
:'''Cain:''' It's a rather high price for a tactical insignificant victory.
:'''Shaw:''' I wouldn't say it's insignificant, sir. I'd say we put the enemy on notice. The price we paid is my fault.
:'''Cain:''' How do you figure that, Lieutenant?
:'''Shaw:''' I gave [[Gina Inviere|her]], it, my access codes. [...]
:'''Cain:''' You gave it something far more important. You gave it your trust. As did I, but this ''thing'' really knows how to manipulate human emotion. Preys on it.

*''Shaw's opinions about ''Pegasus's'' previous commanders and Lee Adama:''
:[[Jack Fisk|Fisk]] was a [[black market (organization)|black market]] sell-out. Piece of garbage. Unworthy of the uniform. [[Barry Garner|Garner]] was a martinet who tried to micromanage this ship like it was some balky piece of machinery. [...] You're a step up. That doesn't change the fact that you're an outsider who was brought in to clean up our mess. Or the impression that your daddy just gave you a battlestar; like he was tossing you the keys to a new car.

*''Kendra Shaw and [[Kara Thrace]] meet in the ship's galley:''
:'''Thrace:''' (catching Shaw injecting a drug) So the XO's human after all. I used to do that myself. Scrub through the wireless bands. Reminds you you're not alone out here. (pauses) Got any more?
:'''Shaw:''' More of what?
:'''Thrace:''' Whatever you're about to stick on your neck.
:'''Shaw:''' You don't miss much, do you?
:'''Thrace:''' Whatever floats your boat, right? I came down here looking for a [[ambrosia|loose bottle]] and you came down here for...guess we're both just trying to take the edge off, right?
:'''Shaw:''' Guess so.
:'''Thrace:''' That's good. Cause I'd hate to think that Lee's new XO can't handle the pressure. Maybe wants to get busted back to peeling potatoes.
:'''Shaw:''' I'd hate to think that Lee's favorite pilot wants to find herself scrubbing floors for pilfering ship's stores.
:'''Thrace:''' (smirks) You keep my secret, sir, I'll keep yours.

*''Shaw and Thrace preparing for the rescue mission and assault on the basestar (extended version only):''
:'''Thrace:''' Hope for the best, plan for the worst, as [[Socrata Thrace|my mom]] the sergeant-major used to say.
:'''Shaw:''' That all she taught you?
:'''Thrace:''' Fear gets you killed; anger keeps you alive.
:'''Shaw:''' Admiral Cain said the same thing. She said to me once, "If you can be this" (opening the blade) "for as long as you have to be, you're a razor." A weapon can't feel fear, has no regrets. It just is.
:'''Thrace:''' Noticed you would've gotten along just fine. Of course, my mom was full of crap about a lot of things. Held on to her anger so tight that at the end, that's all she had left. She died alone. You ask me, fear, anger -- two sides of the same coin. You gotta let go of both.

*''The [[first Hybrid]], speaking to himself as Shaw's squad storms the base star (extended version; dialogue may be inaccurate because it is hard to understand):''
:'''Hybrid:''' At last, they've come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies, spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path. To play that out on a world not their own. But will they be soon enough? Soon there will be four glorious new awakenings, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion they will find that enemies are brought together by an awesome sense of belonging. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward, the once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all - the seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves are of no sin, but in time it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.

*''Shaw and the first Hybrid:''
:'''Hybrid:''' Come in, Major. I've been waiting for you for a long time.
:'''Shaw:''' You're what all this is about, aren't you? What are you?
:'''Hybrid:''' What am I? A man? Or am I a machine? My children believe I am a god.
:'''Shaw:''' Are you ... a god?
:'''Hybrid:''' I have seen things. Your life, Kendra Shaw. The things you have done. Things you felt you had to do. All leading to this moment. You wish to be forgiven, my child. ... Do you wish to be forgiven?
:'''Shaw:''' Yes.
:'''Hybrid:''' Then come up closer. There's something I have to tell you. Come. (Grabs her arm.) Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end.
:'''Shaw:''' What?
:'''Hybrid:''' She is the herald of the apocalypse. The harbinger of death. They must not follow her.

*''The first Hybrid and Shaw, just before Shaw detonates the nuclear warhead:''
:'''Hybrid:''' As my own existence comes to a close, only to begin anew, in ways uncertain.
:'''Shaw:''' You're scared, aren't you, mother-frakker? You should be.
:'''Hybrid:''' All this has happened before, and it will happen again...again...again...again...again...again...again...

*''[[William Adama|William]] and [[Lee Adama]] discuss Cain's actions:''
:'''William Adama''': I've been going through Cain's log and from a tactical perspective it's hard to find fault in anything she did. Or that Kendra Shaw did.
:'''Lee Adama:''' They [[Scylla|butchered innocent civilians]], Dad. Come on. How can you ignore that?
:'''William Adama:''' I know that I didn't have to face any of the situations that she did. I had the [[Laura Roslin|President]] in my face, arguing for the survival of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|civilian fleet]]. I've Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] keeping me honest, balancing my morality and my tactics. And I had you. Now...you don't have any children, so you might not understand this, but you see yourself reflected in their eyes. And there are some things that I've thought of doing with this fleet, but I've stopped myself, because I knew I'd have to face you the following day.

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]] (credit only)
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] (credit only)
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] (credit only)
* [[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]] (credit only)
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]] (credit only)
* [[Michelle Forbes]] as Admiral [[Helena Cain]]
* [[Graham Beckel]] as Colonel [[Jack Fisk]]
* [[Stephanie Jacobsen]] as Lieutenant/Captain/Major [[Kendra Shaw]]
* [[Nico Cortez]] as Young [[William Adama]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Steve Bacic]] as Colonel [[Jurgen Belzen]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
* [[Eileen Pedde]] as Sergeant [[Erin Mathias]]
* [[Fulvio Cecere]] as Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]]
* [[Vincent Gale]] as [[Peter Laird]]
* [[Campbell Lane]] as [[First Hybrid|Hybrid]]
* [[Kyra Scott]] as Young [[Helena Cain]]
* [[Chandra Berg]] as Little [[Lucy Cain]]
* [[Peter Flemming]] as [[Cain (father)|Helena's Father]]
* [[Shaker Paleja]] as Medic [[Hudson]]
* [[Andrew Dunbar]] as Marine [[Dasilva]]
* [[Jacob Blair]] as Squad Leader [[Banzai]]
* [[Peter Bryant]] as [[Frank Bruno]]
* [[Chris Bradford]] as Ops Officer
* [[Tyson Stanley]] as Young [[Marine]]
* [[Trevor Roberts]] as ''[[Scylla]]'' Protestor #1
* [[Cameron Macleod]] as ''Scylla'' Protestor #2
* [[Ingrid Tesch]] as Mother
* [[Joey Pierce]] as Marine [[Riggs]]
* [[Matt Drake]] as Son #1
* [[Dustin Eriksen]] as Son #2
* [[John Hainsworth]] as Man in Cage #1
* [[Victor Ayala]] as Man in Cage #2
* [[Deni Dolory]] as Woman in Cage
* [[Emily Hirst]] as Child in Cage
* [[Ben Cotton]] as [[Terrified Man]]
* [[Stefanie von Pfetten]] as Captain [[Marcia Case|Marcia "Showboat" Case]]
* [[Alyssa Minniss]] as Flower Girl
* [[Allison Warnyca]] as Lt. [[Jaycie McGavin|Jaycie "Goldbrick" McGavin]] (credited only on the DVD's Flashback credits)
* Uncredited as [[Gus]]

== External Links ==

* Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=205 score for "Razor"]

== References ==
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== Overview ==

: ''A tale centered around the new ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officer [[Kendra Shaw]], following her entire tenure on the battlestar from the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] under Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], to [[Lee Adama]]'s command and a frightful rescue mission to save crew members who have been captured by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]].''

== Summary ==
Three separate, but related stories are documented:
*William Adama's mission at the end of the first [[Cylon War]].
*The events on ''Pegasus'''s during and shortly after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
*The events surrounding the [[Battle of the Guardian basestar]], set in the time period between "[[The Captain's Hand]]" and "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".
In the episode these stories are largely told in parallel, flashing between the different time periods. Below the different story lines are listed chronologically.

Scenes only included in the extended [[Razor (Region 1 DVD)|DVD]] version of "Razor", but not in the television version are marked with "(*)".

=== First Cylon War ===
====William Adama ====
:''See also: [[Razor Flashbacks]]''

*At the end of the first [[Cylon War]], a Colonial battle group conducts [[Operation Raptor Talon]] against a [[Ice planet|Cylon planet]] presumed to house a super weapon. During the battle, the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' is pummeled from [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] salvos and is subsequently destroyed. Adama then spots two Raiders entering the planet's atmosphere. Out for revenge, Adama engages the two. He shoots down one in the high altitudes, but collides with the other and is forced to eject. (*)
*However, a [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] survived as well and shoots at Adama during the free-fall. Adama shoots back and the two eventually engage in hand-to-hand combat. When the Centurion tries to use a blade on Adama, he pulls his parachute's rip cord to slow his descend, watching the Centurion fall down. Adama lands safely on the ground, crashing through what appears to be a warehouse sky-window. There he encounters the Centurion and kills it by repeatedly smashing its head with a pipe. (*)
*As Adama enters what appears to be a Cylon laboratory, he finds evidence of human experimentation and human mutilations. He eventually finds a vat filled with a gelatin-like substance which is reminiscent of the [[resurrection tank]]s or [[Hybrid]] tanks that the later [[humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylons]] would use.
*He kneels down and touches the substance, and immediately begins to hear the screams of torture victims. As he looks back at the tank, a hand abruptly grabs his arm. The hand disappears just as quickly as it appeared, and Adama falls back to the ground. A voice is heard, quoting from the [[Pythia|Pythian]] prophecies: "All this has happened before and will happen again."
*A banging sound is heard from a locked chamber nearby. As Adama approaches the window of the chamber, an unidentified man presses his face against the window and begs Adama to release him and the other captives. Adama finds a piece of metal nearby, and attempts to break open the door to the chamber.
*As Adama attempts to free the door, the man tells him that they are civilians from the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]] ship ''[[Diana]]'', whose convoy was attacked by the Cylons, and that there were initially 50 of them who were taken away one by one.
*Suddenly the ground begins to tremble. Adama manages to open the door a little bit, but not enough to allow the captives to escape. The man urges Adama to leave them and save himself. He asks Adama to tell others of what has happened to them. Adama finally complies after he realizes that he cannot free the prisoners, and runs out of the laboratory.
*Emerging from the laboratory warehouse, Adama sees the [[Guardian basestar]] lifting off into the clouds. He radios his findings about the Cylon experimentation on humans to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', but the young pilot is shocked to learn that an armistice has just been signed, and the war is over.

====Helena Cain====

At the same time [[Tauron (RDM)|Tauron]] is under attack by Cylon basestars and Centurion ground forces. A young [[Helena Cain]], her sister [[Lucy Cain|Lucy]] and her father are pinned down in a building under heavy fire. When her father is injured trying to escape, he tells Helena to get Lucy to a shelter before dying. The two make it out of the building, but outside Helena panics, leaves Lucy in a field of rubble and runs away to hide in a container. A Centurion finds her there and Helena finds a knife, preparing to attack the Centurion with it. However, it appears to receive an order over the wireless and leaves her alone. When Helena comes out again, she finds only her sister's doll on the ground, and watches the Cylon Raiders leave the planet. Helena Cain lost her entire family on that day <ref name="watcher-forbes">{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/11/battlestar-ga-1.html|title='Battlestar Galactica: Razor' cuts to the heart of the matter|date=20 November 2007|accessdate=22 November 2007|last=Ryan|first=Maureen|format=|language=}}</ref>. (*)

=== The Fall of the Twelve Colonies ===
====Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards====
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*[[Kendra Shaw]] waits at the [[Caprica Transfer Station]] for a ship to bring her to ''Pegasus''. She briefly chats with [[Frank Bruno]] about her mother, [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] delegate [[Marta Shaw]], her assignment and her career goals. (*)
*The battlestar ''Pegasus'' is docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] over [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Scorpia|Scorpia]] for a three-month overhaul. As Kendra Shaw approaches the ship from [[Raptor 179]], she gazes in awe at the size of the [[Mercury class battlestar]].
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]] is in her quarters, reviewing a crew status report as her [[XO]], Colonel [[Jurgen Belzen]] enters. He lightly encourages her to take her shore leave, but she insists that she could never leave ''Pegasus'' in the hands of the civilian contractors assigned to oversee her overhaul.
*In the port hangar bay, Raptor 179 has recently arrived. With orders to report directly to [[CIC#Pegasus|CIC]], Shaw steps down and asks a pair of passing crewman to help her locate it. The crewman, however, are too busy to notice her.
*Shaw wanders through the port [[flight pod]], past groups of busy civilians, until she finds [[Gina Inviere]], a civilian network administrator assigned to ''Pegasus'''s overhaul. Inviere shows Shaw a map of ''Pegasus'', with a route to the CIC, and the two discuss the origins of Gina's last name.
*Shaw eventually reaches the CIC, where she finds Cain and Belzen at the Command and Control station. Shaw drops her gear and salutes the admiral. Cain is harsh on her new aide. She grills Shaw for being late to the CIC, concluding that she either stopped for a cup of coffee, or got lost. After Shaw leaves, Cain breaks out in laughter with Belzen, revealing that she only had a joke at the lieutenant's expense.
*[[Hoshi]] escorts her to her quarters. As they are walking down the hallway, a large blast shakes ''Pegasus'', and the noise ripples through the hallway. Shaw and Hoshi are immediately thrown to the floor. As Shaw awakens, she is in a daze. She looks around to find Hoshi unconscious on the floor. The hallway has suddenly become a disaster area.
*Admiral Cain, who was on her way to her quarters at the time, finds Shaw and Hoshi in the corridor. She asks Shaw if she is alright, but when she doesn’t respond, Cain slaps her in the face. Shaw immediately awakens. The hallway echoes with screams of horror, and the [[Action Stations|Condition One]] sirens blare. After an aborted attempt to wake Hoshi, the two head to the CIC.
*''Pegasus'' is on fire in space. [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] flood the shipyard; missiles strike two helpless ''[[Valkyrie]]''-type battlestars nearby.
*In the CIC, Colonel [[Jack Fisk|Fisk]] and many of the CIC personnel are unconscious. Belzen is coordinating the response effort, but there have been multiple nuclear detonations. Luckily however, the battlestar still has main power and propulsion, but that’s about it. [[DRADIS]] and weapons have both been knocked out.
*The Cylon attack is taking its toll on the shipyards. The two ''Valkyrie''-type battlestars lose their moorings and one crashes into the shipyards, instantly destroying it.
*Cain orders the ship to seal all hatches and release all moorings in preparation for an immediate departure. As the ship evacuates the shipyards, Cain orders the [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series#Faster-Than-Light travel|FTL]] drive spun up for an immediate jump.
*A Cylon Raider fires two nuclear missiles at ''Pegasus'' from across the shipyards. The missiles fly past a [[Galactica type battlestar]] as its moorings are destroyed, and past the wreckage of several other battlestars and support vessels.
*Cain orders an immediate jump, but Shaw says that with the navigational computer off-line, she would have to enter a random set of coordinates, [[Blind jump|which could take the battlestar anywhere]], possibly within a star or other larger astral body. Cain yells back at her to do it anyway, and the battlestar jumps away.

====So Say We All====
*Two days since the attack on the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards, ''Pegasus'' is four to five jumps away from the Colonies. Belzen reports that many of ''Pegasus'''s [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor]]s are either destroyed or beyond repair, over a quarter of the crew is dead, and rumors are circulating about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies and the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]].
*Shaw has been working without sleep to restore the navigational and defense computer systems, and she has finally done it. Additionally, she has discovered lines of hidden Cylon computer code inside the [[Command Navigation Program]], which was fortunately down during the attack. Shaw suggests that the entire program be purged from the system.
*After ordering two Raptors on a reconnaissance mission back to the Colonies, the time has finally come for Cain to reveal the extent of the devastation at home to her crew. She tells them that their colonies have been destroyed, their cities nuked, their fleet obliterated. While the victory of one ship may seem unattainable when even their very survival is at stake, she tells them that they have revenge to reach for instead.
*In an expression of determination and conviction, the crew resoundingly shouts, “So say we all!” over and over, after hearing Cain’s words.
*Cain, Shaw, Fisk and Belzen are in the admiral’s quarters, looking over recently gathered intelligence for a low-risk attack on a Cylon outpost. They are discussing a somewhat isolated communications relay when Gina Inviere enters. She greets the admiral with a kiss and a flirtatious shoulder pinch, and the five sit down to enjoy some wine and conversation.
*Cain assures her senior staff that while she does want to engage in guerrilla warfare tactics against the Cylons, she is not willing to put the ship and crew in any amount of excessive danger.
*Shaw and Inviere are working on firewalling all of ''Pegasus'''s computer networks to prevent them from being infiltrated by the Cylons, but constantly having to find a senior officer to input their command codes for system access is making the process take exceedingly long. Inviere discreetly complains about it, and Shaw says that under the circumstances, she would speak to Cain about raising her clearance. In the meantime, she gives Inviere her own command code to use. Inviere then discusses her relationship with Cain in greater detail.

====Battle of the Communications Relay ====
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*''Pegasus'' prepares for a hit-and-run attack on what appears to be a somewhat neglected Cylon communications relay. However, when ''Pegasus'' arrives, there are twelve Cylon Raiders guarding the relay. Despite the increased enemy presence, Cain orders [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]] to advance.
*Almost the second after the Vipers are launched, fifteen enemy squadrons of fighters jump into DRADIS range. Cain orders ''Pegasus'''s defensive fire concentrated on the incoming attack squadrons, but Shaw reports that the weapons grid won't respond to commands.
*In spite of the odds, Cain orders Belzen to launch the reserve Vipers, but he insists that taking such an action would cost too many lives and resources. She persists in her orders, but Belzen refuses to carry them out. Cain orders Belzen to hand her his sidearm, which she uses to shoot him in the forehead, in front of the entire bridge crew. <ref>This event is recalled by [[Jack Fisk]] to [[Saul Tigh]] months later, over drinks, in the Season 2 episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]."</ref>
*Cain turns to a stunned Fisk, tells him that he is now the [[Executive Officer|XO]] and orders him to launch the reserve Vipers. Fisk, nearly petrified by what he just saw, is more than compelled to follow the order. As the last of ''Pegasus’s'' remaining squadrons launch, Cylon batteries pound the hull.
*With the weapons grid down, Cylon [[Heavy Raider]]s easily breach ''Pegasus’s'' defensive perimeter. [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] begin pouring into the ship through breached [[airlock]]s. Cain orders fast-response teams of [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to engage the Centurions, and orders Shaw to Secondary Damage Control, as she fears that the Cylons will use this junction to vent all of ''Pegasus’s'' air into space.<ref>This tactic is reminiscent of a similar tactic attempted by the Cylons in the episode "[[Valley of Darkness]]."</ref>
*As Shaw heads to Secondary Damage Control, she finds Gina Inviere trying to escape the Centurions, and orders her to the CIC. As she peers around the corner, she is almost seen by a Centurion. She waits for it to leave, and as she turns the corner to go down the hallway, she sees a [[Number Six]] Cylon, following the Centurion. At first, Shaw doesn’t understand what she sees, but then it comes together – [[Humanoid Cylon|the Cylons can mimic human form]], and Gina Inviere is one of them. Shaw shoots and kills the Six, leaving it dead right in front of a security camera.
*Shaw immediately heads to the CIC to take Inviere, now also in CIC, into custody before she can do any more harm. In the CIC, she directs her weapon at Inviere, and orders the Marines to take her into custody. When Cain belays the order, Shaw states that Gina is a Cylon infiltrator and that "they can look like us". When Cain scoffs, Shaw asks Hoshi to display the security feed from Airlock 4.
*Cain balks at the image of the dead humanoid Cylon in the form of her lover. Feeling betrayed and without any other options, she orders the guards to remove Inviere ("''this thing''") from the bridge. As a Cylon missile strikes ''Pegasus'', Gina uses the moment to flip her captor around by the jaw, and gains control of his [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Handheld weapons|weapon]], which she uses to shoot his comrade. She then snaps the Marine's neck, and trains her weapon on Cain. In a moment of hesitation, Inviere cannot bring herself to shoot Cain, and Shaw sneaks up behind her, clubbing the Cylon over the head with the butt of her rifle.

====Massacre aboard the ''Scylla''====
* The victory at the communications relay is bittersweet. Over eight hundred of ''Pegasus''’s original crew are now dead <ref>Kendra Shaw reports "at least 816 dead, 121 injured" after the attack on the com relay. Earlier, Colonel Belzen reports the loss of over 700 people in the attack on the shipyards. Given ''Pegasus'''s crew complement of approximately 1,750 when she encounters ''Galactica'', adding both numbers would mean that almost half of the crew died. ''Battlestar Wiki'' assumes that Shaw is relating the casualties of both battles.</ref>, over 90 Vipers are either destroyed or out of commission, and the deck crew doesn't have the resources to repair all remaining ones.
*As Cain and Shaw discuss the battle, Gina Inviere looks on from her cell. Shaw blames herself for the high cost of the battle, for giving Inviere her access codes, which she used to take down the weapons grid.
*The hatch opens, and Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] salutes Admiral Cain. Cain orders him to use whatever means he can conjure to retrieve information from Inviere, including torture and rape. As Thorne enters Inviere’s cell, Cain is called to the CIC.
*As Cain enters the CIC, Fisk is elated to inform the admiral that a convoy of 15 civilian ships has been detected. Fisk and Shaw are thrilled at the discovery, but the mood quickly turns sour when they realize Cain has other things on her mind. Cain orders Fisk to prepare teams of Marines and engineers to board each ship. They will take what they need, including spare parts and people, and leave the ships without FTL drives to fend for themselves.
*Fisk and Shaw come aboard the ''[[Scylla]]'', where they find a relieved welcoming party. [[Peter Laird]] is the first to welcome them aboard. Excitement quickly turns to confusion however, when they hand Laird a list of Admiral Cain’s orders. Laird is shocked to learn that Cain wants to take their FTL drives. Laird informs the welcoming party, and they suddenly become an angry mob. Shaw informs them that they will use force if necessary, but Laird persistently refuses.
*As the mob inches closer to the boarding party, Fisk reports to Cain of the escalating situation. In an act that surprises even him, she orders him to shoot the families of any selectee that doesn’t comply with the orders.
*Fisk and the Marines are wary of the order, but they line up a couple of the families despite their reservations, hoping that showing the mob their resolve will force them to comply. The angry mob suddenly becomes violent – they throw whatever they can at the boarding party.
*At that very moment, Shaw pulls out her sidearm, and shoots a woman in the front in the head. The Marines follow suit, and before very long, the deck of the ''Scylla'' is painted with the blood of the dead. Shaw’s gaze drifts to her sidearm, still smoking from the shot, and then up to Laird, who is too stunned to move.
*In the aftermath, Shaw cannot bring her eyes to look upon the dead. Fisk comforts her by telling her that the entire fleet heard about what happened and there should be no more resistance. As her party leaves the ''Scylla'', she can’t help but look back.
*For her actions aboard the ''Scylla'', Cain promotes Shaw to captain. It is small comfort to Shaw, who is still anguished by what she has done. Seeing her vulnerability, Cain tells Shaw that the war is forcing them all to do things that they may not like, even hate, because if they don’t, then they may not live to simply become human again. By putting aside her fear, her reservations, even her revulsion to complete the mission, Shaw has become Cain’s "razor".

=== Present events ===
* Newly-promoted Commander [[Lee Adama]] is formally appointed commander of ''Pegasus'' by [[Laura Roslin]] in front of the ship's crew. In his speech he promises to change things on the battlestar and announces [[Kara Thrace]]'s appointment as acting [[CAG]].
* Shaw follows the speech on the [[wireless]] set, but eventually switches it off. She walks to a jar, takes out a syringe and injects herself with a drug. She is still troubled about what happened on the ''Scylla''.
* Next, she is summoned to Adama's office, who reads her service file and points out that she received glowing reports from Cain, but increasingly negatives ones from Fisk and [[Barry Garner|Garner]], who eventually assigned her to kitchen duty because of "persistent insubordinate behavior". After listening to Shaw's candid opinions about him and his predecessors, Adama offers her the job of executive officer; he intends to give the crew back its pride, and as an outsider he needs someone to uphold Cain's legacy.
* During a firearms drill, she shows competence but also how hard she is on the crew. William Adama comments that his son found an XO meaner than [[Saul Tigh]].
* The Admiral gives Commander Adama his first mission: a [[SAR|search and rescue]] for two pilots and a civilian science team in an overdue Raptor.
* At their destination, Starbuck and [[Showboat]] conduct a Viper patrol and suddenly encounter enemy fighters of an unfamiliar configuration. Although able to identify them as Cylons, Starbuck doesn't realize that they are in fact [[Raiders (RDM)#Cylon War-era Raider|Raiders like the ones used in the first Cylon War]].
* ''Pegasus'' establishes a defensive perimeter and orders the Vipers to return prior to an FTL jump. When the [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series#Navigation computer|navigational computer]] malfunctions and the Raiders close, Shaw orders to the vessel's offensive flight pod [[Battery|batteries]] turned on the incoming targets, placing Starbuck and Showboat inside the battlestar's close-in firing solution. Struggling their way through the barrage, a Raider follows them into the [[flight pod]], which Starbuck shoots down once inside the landing bay. On the [[hangar deck]], she angrily confronts Shaw over her decision to open fire, but Adama defends his XO.
* ''Pegasus'' returns to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], and Admiral Adama, Roslin and Tigh inspect the downed Raider on the hangar deck. [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon Valerii]] recalls the "[[Guardians]]", a group of [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Centurion models]] that escaped being scrapped by the [[humanoid Cylons]]. The Guardians guard the [[first Hybrid]], created by the Cylons as a first attempt at an organic model and eventually abandoned as an evolutionary dead end. This causes Adama to remember the events on the ice planet on the last day of the Cylon War, finally realizing the significance of what he saw over 40 years ago.
* After examining the Raider's navigational data, Admiral Adama believes that the Raptor crew was captured by the Guardians and orders his son to jump to a possible base of theirs. For the duration of the operation, he transfers his flag to ''Pegasus'', but assures Lee that it will be his mission.
* Shaw drafts an attack plan for ''Pegasus'' to draw Cylon forces away while a Raptor, piloted by Thrace and carrying a strike team, jumps to the Cylon base. Before signing off on the plan, Lee Adama confronts Shaw over the incident on the ''Scylla''. She just replies that she is Cain's legacy - a razor - and that Cain wouldn't have hesitated to execute the plan.
* Before the battle Shaw is about to take another shot of the drug and when she is caught by Thrace, who is looking for a bottle of [[ambrosia]]. The two stalemate and agree to keep each other's secrets, and realize that they are more alike than they thought.
* Thrace is going over the Raptor prepared for the mission and told by Shaw that Chief Tyrol already checked everything. During their chat, the two notice that Thrace's [[Socrata Thrace|mother]] and Admiral Cain weren't too different, advising to repress one's fear and focus on the anger. Thrace remarks that her mother only had her anger left in the end and died alone. (*)
* The mission doesn't go as planned when the strike team's Raptor is pursued by two Raiders. They simulate an engine malfunction, emergency blow the side hatch and sling themselves out of the flat-spinning Raptor before it is destroyed by the Cylons, escaping undetected. Using EVA thrusters, they make their way to the Guardian basestar.
* Thrace, Shaw, [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]], [[Dasilva]] and [[Hudson]] find the missing Raptor crew, whom the Cylons mutilate in a manner similar to what William Adama saw in the first Cylon War. As they free the survivors, two Centurions attack, wound Dasilva and begin to drag him away. Unwilling to let him suffer same treatment as the Raptor crew, Shaw shoots Dasilva, but in turn is shot in the abdomen.
* While under cover from the firefight, Mathias reports to ''Pegasus'' that the detonator for the nuclear warhead, which they plan to use to destroy the basestar, is damaged.
* ''Pegasus'' loses wireless contact with the boarding team and Lee Adama orders a [[Missile tubes|nuclear ship to ship missile]] to be armed and readied. Thrace herself considers the "mission outcome doubtful". Assuming that the team is dead, Commander Adama orders the launch of the missile, but is overridden by his father, who wants to give the team a chance.
* After reestablishing contact and learning that an evacuation Raptor is on the way, Shaw orders Mathias to rig a manual detonator for the nuke, determined to complete the mission. While Lee is reluctant to sacrifice someone to detonate the warhead, his father believes that the Cylons would easily shoot down a missile, but leaves the final decision to Lee. He orders Thrace to get the team to safety, but to stay behind and detonate the nuke manually.
* The team prepares to suit up and leave, when Shaw forces Thrace to hand over the warhead at gunpoint and remains on the baseship. Walking through the hallways, she finds the Cylon Hybrid, who knows her name, saying that he has been waiting for her for a long time. He tells her that the Centurions worship him as god, and observes Shaw's desire to be forgiven for what she has become. The Hybrid also delivers a warning about Thrace: she will lead the human race to its end, she is the herald of the apocalypse and the harbinger of death, and she must not be followed.
* Shaw tries to relay this to ''Pegasus'', but her transmission is blocked by Cylon jamming shortly after the start, and the warning is not heard. She then detonates the nuke, killing herself and destroying the basestar.
* Later, the Adamas discuss the battle and its outcome, the admiral noting Thrace's recommendation of Shaw for a posthumous commendation. Reviewing the logs, Admiral Adama doesn't find fault in either Cain's or Shaw's decisions, but Commander Adama vehemently disagrees, citing the ''Scylla''. The admiral replies that he never had to face similar circumstances, and that he had people like Lee, Roslin and Tigh to counsel and challenge him and keep him from making extreme and questionable decisions. He comforts Lee, telling him that his decision to launch the nuclear missile and sacrifice the strike team wasn't wrong, just necessary from Lee's perspective at the time.
* Outside [[Officer's quarters#Admiral Adama's quarters|Adama's quarters]], Lee meets Thrace, who now has Cain's knife given to her by Shaw. She is unsure if Shaw sacrificed herself as atonement or if she just "had it coming." Thrace tells him that she requested reassignment back to ''Galactica'' because she thinks Lee would keep trying to get her killed. When asked if she might deserve that, she jokingly replies that she has a [[The Destiny|destiny]] and plans to live to keep it.



== Notes ==

===Production===
*A four-part podcast of the original story meeting for "Razor" is available on the [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/season04/ SciFi website].
* Despite being credited, [[Aaron Douglas]] ([[Galen Tyrol]]), [[Tahmoh Penikett]] ([[Karl Agathon]]), [[Alessandro Juliani]] ([[Felix Gaeta]]), [[Michael Trucco]] ([[Samuel Anders]]), [[Kandyse McClure]] ([[Anastasia Dualla]]) and [[Matthew Bennett]] ([[Number Five]]/[[Aaron Doral]]) do not appear in the aired version of "Razor".
**Bennett appears briefly in the [[Razor Flashback]] web-episodes as [[Aaron Doral]], in a flashback two days before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
**Tyrol is mentioned by Admiral Adama having helped [[Gaius Baltar]] remove navigational information from the Cylon Raider, but is never seen otherwise.
* [[Michael Taylor]] noted that the original opening for "Razor" was inspired by ''[[w:Apocalypse Now|Apocalypse Now]]'', but this was later cut <ref name="thewatcher">{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/11/answers-to-your.html|title=Answers to your 'Razor' questions and clues about 'Battlestar Galactica's' final season|date=16 November 2007|accessdate=16 November 2007|last=Ryan|first=Maureen|format=|language=}}</ref>.
* Scenes with [[Alastair Thorne]] torturing [[Gina]] were filmed but removed as "it played a little too much like an outtake from ''[[w:Spartacus|Spartacus]]''."<ref name="thewatcher"/>
*According to composer [[Bear McCreary]], no specific soundtrack release for "Razor" is currently planned. However, the best tracks will be included on the Season 4 soundtrack <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=205|title=Bear McCreary's blog|date=|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>.
*According to [[Gary Hutzel]], the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] was written so that "we would see it in bits and pieces. For the most part, it centered on the fact that they had to jump out of there before two nuclear missiles hit them." As for the [[blind jump]], the impetus for it was to be filmed only from the point-of-view of the CIC personnel, who saw the two incoming warheads on [[DRADIS]], which prompted the jump. However, [[Felix Alacla]] wanted the scene to be something out of ''[[w:Pearl Harbor (film)|Pearl Harbor]]'', thus the effects of the two missiles were added in.<ref name="vfxworld-2">{{cite_web|url=http://vfxworld.com/?atype=articles&id=3460&page=2|title=
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* Hutzel laid out the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] shots himself, eventually choosing the chrome appearance over a sophisticated silver metallic appearance, as the chrome surfaces were best for reflections.<ref name="vfxworld-2"/>
* Universal Home Entertainment financed part of "Razor" for DVD-only effects and other material for the show which is proprietary, which is why such effects sequences are on the DVD or used in promotional material.<ref name="vfxworld-2"/>
* Furthermore, the special effects shots were done in house without using a third-party source: over 184 shots were done, 120 of them being full CGI. Many new ships had to be developed specifically for "Razor", in addition to the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]-inspired Centurions.<ref name="vfxworld">{{cite_web|url=http://vfxworld.com/?atype=articles&id=3460|title=
Raising the VFX Bar In-House on ''Battlestar Galactica: Razor''|date=26 November 2007|accessdate=30 November 2007|last=Bennett|first=Tara DiLullo|format=|language=|page=1}}</ref>

===Story===
* As [[Kendra Shaw]] scrubs through the [[wireless]] bands, she happens upon a [[Talk Wireless]] broadcast where the wireless personality notes [[Laura Roslin]]'s cancer remission, going on to infer that there was speculation on how the remission was brought about. Another snippet mentions Roslin's "recent" ban of abortion.
* The [[Guardian basestar]] appears to be an evolutionary gap in between the older Cylon War-era [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and the newer starfish type basestar.
* The flashback of a young William Adama finding a Cylon lab during the war is part of the fifth, sixth, and seventh episodes of the [[Razor Flashbacks|"Razor" web-episodes]].
* According to [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]], the [[Hybrid]]s were created as a means to grow out of their mechanical roots and into biological ones. The Cylons considered the hybrids a failure and, after creating enough of them to control their baseships, the project was abandoned.
*At the end Thrace asks to be re-assigned to ''Galactica'', currently holding the position of ''Pegasus'''s [[CAG]], which she assumes in "[[The Captain's Hand]]".
*Despite being a major, Kendra Shaw wears a colonel's [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniform]] with white/red trim. As shown on Doctor [[Cottle]] earlier, a major's uniform only has a white trim.
* When ''Pegasus'' jumps away from the Scorpion Fleet Yards, the vacuum created from the jump appears to suck in the surrounding flames and smoke of battle. This effect has been seen before in "[[Exodus, Part II]]" following ''Galactica'''s intra-atmosphere jump.

===Unrated DVD===

* [[Virtual Six]] appears in the unrated version of the DVD and reveals why the Cylons achieved human form, claiming that since their God created humanity in his image, the Cylons wanted to do the same, regardless of how much they themselves loathed humanity.
* Young William Adama says the word "cocksucker" in reference to the Cylon he pursues as he breaks away from ''Columbia'' (e.g. "This cocksucker's mine."). The dialogue is redubbed in the [[Razor Flashbacks]] to "This frakker's mine."
* When Cain shoots Belzen in the head, a large amount of blood splatters on the glass wall behind him. This is a noticeably more graphic depiction of a head shot than ''Battlestar Galactica'' shows on television. Usually, only the entry wound is shown and the camera avoids the area behind the head; for example also when Number Six is shot in "[[Precipice]]" and Three in "[[Hero]]".
*The DVD version includes an additional monologue by the [[first Hybrid]] when the strike team arrives at the basestar. It is intercut with footage of the team making its way through the ship. This is a reference to the revelation of four of the [[final five]] Cylons during "[[Crossroads, Part II]]":
:"Soon there will be four glorious new awakenings, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion they will find that enemies are brought together by an awesome sense of belonging. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward, the once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering."
* The [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards|attack on the Scorpion shipyards]] includes additional special effects scenes of the battle.
* The DVD version does not include all of the [[Razor Flashbacks]], namely Episodes 1, 2 and and the ''Galactica'' scenes of Episode 7.

== Analysis ==

*Given the overall [[survivor count]] and the tally of 49,579 during the credits, "Razor" takes place between "[[The Captain's Hand]]" and "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]". Captions also place the flashback portions 10 months prior to the present events. However this timespan is closer to 9 months.
**This is also the only time during Lee Adama's command of ''Pegasus'' that the episode can even fit, since Starbuck leaves for Caprica in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I". See also ''[[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]]''
**Adama's selection of Shaw as his [[XO]] likely takes place very shortly after him taking command of ''Pegasus'', but other parts of the episode might take place slightly later.
**[[Sharon Agathon]]'s appearance ''may indicate'' that this episode takes place before "[[Downloaded]]", however this cannot be confirmed by any visual evidence as her appearance is brief and all camera shots are seemingly aimed to avoid shooting her belly. However, it can be reasonably surmised that because she is still cooperating with the Colonials that [[Hera]]'s birth and her subsequent faked death haven't occurred yet.
*According to Admiral Cain, a razor is someone who can set aside all fear, hesitation, revulsion and natural inhibition in battle (see [[#Noteworthy Dialogue|noteworthy dialogue]]).
**When Cain recruits [[Jack Fisk]] to assassinate Commander Adama, she tells him that he needs to pick Marines who are "[completely] reliable. Completely loyal. Razors." ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
**This bears a passing semblance to a poem by Japanese [[Wikipedia:Isoroku Yamamoto|Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto]]: "I am still the sword/Of my Emperor/I will not be sheathed/Until I die." Admiral Yamamoto knew about America, Americans and their potential from his time as a student at Harvard and as a naval attaché in Washington, DC. Despite misgivings about declaring war on America, he served his Emperor and planned the attack on Pearl Harbor.
**A razor is a physically present symbol in the episode in the form of a folding knife. It is passed from Cain to Shaw and eventually to Kara Thrace. The knife is used by Cain to explain the concept and how a person becomes one.
*Regarding the casualties suffered by ''Pegasus'' during the [[Battle of the Communications Relay]], Shaw's report that ''Pegasus'' suffered over 800 dead likely refers to the total casualty rate since the Cylon attack. Since ''Pegasus'' already suffered over 700 losses fleeing the Scorpion shipyards, adding 800 to this figure would mean that almost half the crew were killed. Considering that ''Pegasus'''s crew is approximately 1,750 when she encounters ''Galactica'', such a high death rate seems unlikely.
*The woman shot by Shaw could have been [[Peter Laird]]'s wife, given the pan shot from his expression as he looks at the bodies, to the dead woman's face. His evasiveness when asked about the rumors circulating about the ''Scylla'' in the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" would support this. His reaction to the woman's execution, however, can be taken one of two ways. He was either a man in complete shock of witnessing his wife's death or a man who was horrified from what he didn't believe was possible of Colonial military. Laird never mentions a wife explicitly.
*Given that an evac Raptor successfully retrieves the assault team by docking or at least flying close to the Guardian basestar without incident, it seems that the Guardian basestar itself appears to be unarmed and totally reliant on its Raiders for defense, unlike the standard [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon basestar]].
*A curious technical gaffe appears to occur as the smoke from the various fires in the shipyard travel upward. Unless the flames (which would appear as a globular "blossom" shape without gravity) jet upward, the smoke, with the lack of convection (heat rising upward as lighter gases against gravity), would expand in all directions opposite the flames or venting, not "up" relative to the battlestar or flames.
*In stark contrast to her demeanor by the time of the rendezvous with ''Galactica'', Helena Cain is visibly more relaxed with her crew: She is stern when necessary, but also enjoys several moments of levity with subordinates and cultivates personable relations with her staff; she regards [[Jurgen Belzen]] as a personal friend (as described later by Fisk to Tigh); she initiates Shaw to ''Pegasus'' by chewing her out in the CIC and shares a humored look with her XO afterwards; the atmosphere at the dinner is very informal; she expresses strong emotions and sheds tears as she surveys the ship's casualties. All these point to the war and especially Gina's betrayal as reasons for her push over the edge to become a "razor" and the narrowing of her perspective to pure vengeance.
*Although she may have sacrificed herself in atonement, Kendra Shaw ended her life as a razor, casting aside fear and self-preservation to stay behind and die to complete her mission, echoing Admiral Cain's observation that "sometimes we have to leave people behind so that we can go on, so that we can continue to fight. Sometimes you have do things that we never thought we were capable of ..." When she arrives on ''Pegasus'', she is regarded as an opportunist, but in the end she is quite the opposite.
*Kendra Shaw's death marks the final transition from Cain's legacy to Admiral Adama's. Shaw was the last of Cain's inner circle. She was one of the officers who had Cain's utmost respect and trust. Her death signifies the complete replacement of ''Pegasus'''s original leadership and opens up the merging of the two battlestar crews.
*Admiral Cain suggests that Kendra Shaw used her mother's connections to secure an upwardly-mobile assignment on ''Pegasus'' — an ironic criticism, since then-Commander William Adama mentions to President Roslin how well-connected Cain is, helping her jump over half the commanders list for promotion to admiral ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).
*Both Shaw and Thrace have been noticed and mentored by Admiral Cain. In this respect, the friction between the two takes on aspects of sibling rivalry.
*Based on the restored scenes on the "Razor" DVD, Admiral Cain's past plays a huge role in how she approached the second Cylon War. As a child, Cain abandoned her little sister in order to hide from Centurions. Though this scene of a young Cain is mixed in Cain's speech of the need to leave some behind in order to go on fighting, it implies a sense of guilt on Cain's part for having abandoned her sister to the Cylons. Her entire rationale in actively fighting the Cylons and not running portrays a need for her to take a stand and fight. She had a need to stop running.
*Also in the DVD version, the razor that Cain carries, is revealed to have a deeper meaning to Cain than simply a weapon. The razor was an impromptu weapon Cain discovered while she was attempting to hide from the Centurions. When she is finally discovered, she makes her last stand with only this razor. In the end, it becomes the only object that she still carried, and what she eventually became, a last resort weapon.
*Cain and Adama had two different reactions to the end of the first Cylon War. Adama had the desire to attack and pursue the Cylons, to continue the fighting. Cain wanted to run and hide from the Cylons. Adama witnessed the escape of the First Hybrid's ship, feeling the responsibility of the lost lives that he could not save. Cain witnessed the escape of a Centurion Raider, realizing her responsibility in loosing her little sister's life, whom she could have saved.

== Questions ==

* How does the Hybrid know [[Kendra Shaw]]?
* Is the Hybrid's warning that [[Kara Thrace]] is the harbinger of death true? Does it say this to ensure that the eternal cycle continues per Pythian prophecy?
* Who is [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]'s [[CAG]] after Thrace steps down?
* Whose decision was it to scrap the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|old Centurions]]? Did they resist?
* When the [[first Hybrid]] says "My children believe I am a god", to whom is he referring? The old model Cylons? The organic models?
* What does the first Hybrid mean when he says his existence will "begin again in ways uncertain"?
** Does this statement imply that the first Hybrid is capable of [[Resurrection (RDM)|downloading]]?
* Are all of the Guardians on the basestar when it is destroyed, or did they build other bases in the decades before?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Michael Taylor]] on the scene with the three [[Guardians]] in the [[Raider (RDM)|Cylon War-era Raider]]:''
: Actually, early references to talking [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] were cut from early versions of the script, only to be resurrected by one of our VFX guys, [[Adam Lebowitz|Adam “Mojo” Lebowitz]], who ended up giving them very similar dialogue to what I once had. We all mulled the issue and then concluded: What the [heck]; how can we revisit that era and not hear one of the signature lines? And yes, we’re a serious show, but sometimes it’s also not so terrible to acknowledge that this is a show, with a debt to another show, no matter how thoroughly we’ve tried to re-imagine it.<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* ''Taylor discusses the limited appearance of [[Alastair Thorne]] in "Razor":''
: There’s only so many characters and storylines that we could explore in a movie of even nearly two hours, and frankly this was [[Helena Cain|Cain]]’s and [[Kendra Shaw|Kendra]]’s story. As far as the character of the torturer, Lt. Thorne, goes, I think it was scary enough to introduce him and imagine what poor [[Gina]] had in store.<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* ''Taylor discusses the narrative of the story:''
: The script itself is somewhat less flashbacky, telling the story in a more chronological, linear way. Ultimately, we found it more effective to ground the story by relating it through a more present-day frame in which our regular characters, including Lee and Kara, are more front-and-center. But whether intended in the same way or not, what I like about both "Unfinished Business" and "Razor" is the way they fracture time, and show how the past affects and informs the present. I suppose that’s probably one of the themes that interests me most as a writer.<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* ''Taylor discusses the relationship between [[Gina]] and [[Helena Cain]]:''
: I think part of the point about Cain’s and Gina’s relationship is that the fact that they had a same-sex relationship was no big deal. I think we started from the idea of wanting to explore whether Cain’s anger and revulsion at Gina, so evident in her first appearance in Season Two’s “Pegasus,” had a personal component. And the idea that Cain had had an intimate relationship with Gina quickly came to mind. It made Gina’s betrayal that much more devastating for her.

:That being said, we did not want to make much about the idea of Cain being “gay,” if indeed she is gay, or if indeed Colonial society makes much of the distinction between hetero- and homosexual preferences. I tend to think that in this respect, at least, they’re a bit more enlightened than we are. That being said, we honestly have not done much exploring of the sexual orientations of other characters so far in Season 4. If it were to serve a dramatic purpose—as it does in "Razor" —other than to underscore that homosexuality is as much a part of the ''Battlestar'' world as it is of ours, we may well. We still have a season of scripts to write, so who knows: Look out, “[[w:The L Word|The L Word]],” we’re coming for your [[List of Nielsen ratings (RDM)|Nielsen ratings]].<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* ''Taylor discusses how this story originated:''
: A number of ideas were tossed around, but they all centered on using the movie as an opportunity to revisit the series’ past. I believe an early notion of mine may even have touched on a [[w:Terminator|Terminator]]-like time-travel scenario that put some of our characters back on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] before the attack, but with foreknowledge of what was about to happen. I remember pitching the idea that [William] Adama would have to convince Cain to trust him and then join forces to try to stop the attack.

:All the writers were on a conference call with the show’s creators and executive producers, [[Ron D. Moore|Ron Moore]] and [[David Eick]], and I recall David in particular perking up at the mention of Cain and ''Pegasus''. It quickly became clear that our story would center around Cain’s ship and its own, very different journey in the aftermath of [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|the Cylon attacks]], and with that idea firmly in place the time travel and other kooky stuff quickly fell by the wayside and we began constructing a much more realistic story where our characters’ choices in the face of calamity, rather than through time-travel-enabled hindsight, became the key. But then that’s what ''Battlestar'' has always been about: the pressure of making genuine choices in real, and often horrific situations.<ref name="thewatcher"/>

* ''[[Michelle Forbes]] (Admiral [[Helena Cain]]) discusses [[Gina]]'s betrayal:''

: It was a massive betrayal. This woman is rarely vulnerable with anyone. She doesn’t allow herself that. For her to have taken that step [and become Gina’s lover] and been so ultimately betrayed, it did her head in, it did her heart in.

: She became very misguided at that time. I feel the actions that she took in that misguided place still were along the lines of what she felt she needed to do. And there’s nothing that she did that some world leader has not done.

: It’s very painful, what she did to Gina. There was such a deep sadness, but [for her] duty overrides that sadness, otherwise things don’t get done. There’s a lot of sorrow [in Cain]. It was not a punishment as much of a means to an end.<ref name="watcher-forbes"/>

* ''Forbes on the questions raised in the series:''

: These heightened situations [in ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'' bring up] these heightened questions we have to ask. As [Adama] says [[Miniseries, Night 1|in a speech]] [earlier in the series], ‘Are we worthy of survival? Who are we? Who have we become? Have we just become animals and it’s survival at any cost?’ These are important questions to raise.

: I love the fact that they ask these questions but never in a preachy manner. These are painful questions to ask. It’s so relevant it gives me goosebumps sometimes.

: This and ''[[w:The Wire|The Wire]]'' are just the two best written TV shows out there. You can’t just tune in and tune out. It’s not mindless entertainment. Occasionally with ''The Wire'' too I also feel like I need a notebook next to me [laughs]. They’re just fantastic stories with such complexity.

:It’s a very exciting time to be part of television. I feel so fortunate that I’ve been involved in some pretty interesting, odd shows. There are many more cropping up out there.

:[As for ''Battlestar Galactica''] I’ve never guested on a show and walked away a bigger fan. I was so thrilled to see everyone again, I am so fond of this company. They’re lovely people and the crew is fantastic. And this is not just an actor blowing smoke [laughs].<ref name="watcher-forbes"/>

* ''[[Gary Hutzel]] discusses the special effects of the tele-film:''

: Honestly, if we had gone with an outside house, we would have only been able to do a third of Razor at most. We were able to really accommodate this show and do over 184 effects. Over 120 of them are full CGI, 30 to 50 layer comps. It was very heavy, complex stuff. If we did not have an in-house op and went to do this show, it would have literally cut the show in half and then cut it down from there because of the expectations. In this case, we beefed up scenes and added shots and even a whole new sequence. We went from being down half the show to actually increasing a number of shots.<ref name="vfxworld"/>

* ''Hutzel discusses the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] and other new CG scenes:''

: In meeting together and talking about what we'd like to do for Razor, we all agreed that it's basically our chance to do a ''Galactica'' movie. We have a feature quality cast and writing standards, but no opportunity to do one for financial reasons. Consequently, we approached it as a completely separate project. As it turns out, it was very much like doing a new pilot. We had to create many, many new models and work out new details for the sequences. Specifically, we had the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]] Centurions and original series ships that had to be created. Normally that type of development is only done on a pilot. But these were all new ideas, with new ships and an entire new fleet for the ''Pegasus'', and a huge fleet of shipyards. It was a huge undertaking for us... like a feature.<ref name="vfxworld"/>

* ''Hutzel on the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]]:''

: So we discussed what we wanted to do and we developed a huge sequence that was all done in previs, including the [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s jumping in and then sending the virus to the docks. In the lore of the story from the [[miniseries]], at that time, they [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|took them by surprise]] by sending the virus to cut them off. So we had them coming in, the power going off, cruising over the docks and finally attacking. Eventually, the chain reaction on a ship next to ''Pegasus'' begins to detonate so we came up with this very elaborate sequence that we presented to [exec producer] Ron Moore. What ended up happening in this case was there wasn't enough live action to support what we'd done, but it still allowed us to run free and develop it from beginning to end. We trimmed it back until it felt like a good flow and it completely revitalized that sequence. It worked really well. It's a complex sequence with Raiders and lots and lots of pyro. Now because of our budget, we couldn't shoot pyro so we combined some original pyro elements from the miniseries with full CGI pyro which worked very, very well.<ref name="vfxworld-2"/>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]] talks to [[Kendra Shaw]] about her conduct during the crisis:''
:Sometimes we have to leave people behind so that we can go on. So that we can continue to fight. Sometimes we have to do things that we never thought we were capable of, if only to show the enemy our will. Yesterday, you showed me that you're capable of setting aside your fear, setting aside your hesitation, and even your revulsion. Every natural inhibition that, during battle, can mean the difference between life and death. (opens folding knife.) When you can be this for as long as you have to be, then you're a razor. (closes knife.) This war is forcing us all to become razors. Because if we don't, we don't survive. And then we don't have the luxury of becoming simply human again. Do you understand me?

*''Opening narration by Kendra Shaw:''
:You're born, you live and you die. There are no do-overs, no second chances to make things right if you frak 'em up the first time. Not in this life anyway. [...] Like I said, you make your choices and you live with them. And in end you are those choices.

*''[[Gina Inviere]] about Helena Cain and their relationship:''
:She has needs, just like the rest of us. No one can survive entirely on their own. Trust me Lieutenant, in the end, we're all just human.

*''Admiral Cain gives a speech to her crew after the [[Cylon attack]]:''
:This is your admiral. I know there've been a lot of rumors going around...about the destruction that's been visited on our [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|homeworlds]] by the Cylons. I would like to tell you that they're exaggerations, but in fact it can not even come close to convey the horror that's been unleashed upon us. The facts are...that our colonies have been destroyed, our cities have been nuked, and our fleet's gone too. So far there have been no indications of any other survivors. I imagine you're all asking yourselves the same question I am: What do we do now? Do we run? Do we hide? I think those are the easy choices. A philosopher once said "When faced with untenable alternatives you should consider your imperative." Look around you. Our imperative is right here, in our bulkheads, in our planes, in our guns and in ourselves. War is our imperative. And if right now victory seems like an impossibility, then we have something else to reach for: revenge, payback. So we will fight. Because in the end it's the only alternative our enemies have left us. I say let's make these murdering things understand that as long as this crew and this ship survive, that this war, that they started, will not be over. Thank you.

*''Cain and Shaw in the aftermath of the attack on the Cylon communications relay:''
:'''Shaw:''' 32 Vipers destroyed. 61 badly damaged. The acting chief says we don't have enough parts to repair them all.
:'''Cain:''' It's a rather high price for a tactical insignificant victory.
:'''Shaw:''' I wouldn't say it's insignificant, sir. I'd say we put the enemy on notice. The price we paid is my fault.
:'''Cain:''' How do you figure that, Lieutenant?
:'''Shaw:''' I gave [[Gina Inviere|her]], it, my access codes. [...]
:'''Cain:''' You gave it something far more important. You gave it your trust. As did I, but this ''thing'' really knows how to manipulate human emotion. Preys on it.

*''Shaw's opinions about ''Pegasus's'' previous commanders and Lee Adama:''
:[[Jack Fisk|Fisk]] was a [[black market (organization)|black market]] sell-out. Piece of garbage. Unworthy of the uniform. [[Barry Garner|Garner]] was a martinet who tried to micromanage this ship like it was some balky piece of machinery. [...] You're a step up. That doesn't change the fact that you're an outsider who was brought in to clean up our mess. Or the impression that your daddy just gave you a battlestar; like he was tossing you the keys to a new car.

*''Kendra Shaw and [[Kara Thrace]] meet in the ship's galley:''
:'''Thrace:''' (catching Shaw injecting a drug) So the XO's human after all. I used to do that myself. Scrub through the wireless bands. Reminds you you're not alone out here. (pauses) Got any more?
:'''Shaw:''' More of what?
:'''Thrace:''' Whatever you're about to stick on your neck.
:'''Shaw:''' You don't miss much, do you?
:'''Thrace:''' Whatever floats your boat, right? I came down here looking for a [[ambrosia|loose bottle]] and you came down here for...guess we're both just trying to take the edge off, right?
:'''Shaw:''' Guess so.
:'''Thrace:''' That's good. Cause I'd hate to think that Lee's new XO can't handle the pressure. Maybe wants to get busted back to peeling potatoes.
:'''Shaw:''' I'd hate to think that Lee's favorite pilot wants to find herself scrubbing floors for pilfering ship's stores.
:'''Thrace:''' (smirks) You keep my secret, sir, I'll keep yours.

*''Shaw and Thrace preparing for the rescue mission and assault on the basestar (extended version only):''
:'''Thrace:''' Hope for the best, plan for the worst, as [[Socrata Thrace|my mom]] the sergeant-major used to say.
:'''Shaw:''' That all she taught you?
:'''Thrace:''' Fear gets you killed; anger keeps you alive.
:'''Shaw:''' Admiral Cain said the same thing. She said to me once, "If you can be this" (opening the blade) "for as long as you have to be, you're a razor." A weapon can't feel fear, has no regrets. It just is.
:'''Thrace:''' Noticed you would've gotten along just fine. Of course, my mom was full of crap about a lot of things. Held on to her anger so tight that at the end, that's all she had left. She died alone. You ask me, fear, anger -- two sides of the same coin. You gotta let go of both.

*''The [[first Hybrid]], speaking to himself as Shaw's squad storms the base star (extended version; dialogue may be inaccurate because it is hard to understand):''
:'''Hybrid:''' At last, they've come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies, spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path. To play that out on a world not their own. But will they be soon enough? Soon there will be four glorious new awakenings, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion they will find that enemies are brought together by an awesome sense of belonging. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward, the once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all - the seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves are of no sin, but in time it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.

*''Shaw and the first Hybrid:''
:'''Hybrid:''' Come in, Major. I've been waiting for you for a long time.
:'''Shaw:''' You're what all this is about, aren't you? What are you?
:'''Hybrid:''' What am I? A man? Or am I a machine? My children believe I am a god.
:'''Shaw:''' Are you ... a god?
:'''Hybrid:''' I have seen things. Your life, Kendra Shaw. The things you have done. Things you felt you had to do. All leading to this moment. You wish to be forgiven, my child. ... Do you wish to be forgiven?
:'''Shaw:''' Yes.
:'''Hybrid:''' Then come up closer. There's something I have to tell you. Come. (Grabs her arm.) Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end.
:'''Shaw:''' What?
:'''Hybrid:''' She is the herald of the apocalypse. The harbinger of death. They must not follow her.

*''The first Hybrid and Shaw, just before Shaw detonates the nuclear warhead:''
:'''Hybrid:''' As my own existence comes to a close, only to begin anew, in ways uncertain.
:'''Shaw:''' You're scared, aren't you, mother-frakker? You should be.
:'''Hybrid:''' All this has happened before, and it will happen again...again...again...again...again...again...again...

*''[[William Adama|William]] and [[Lee Adama]] discuss Cain's actions:''
:'''William Adama''': I've been going through Cain's log and from a tactical perspective it's hard to find fault in anything she did. Or that Kendra Shaw did.
:'''Lee Adama:''' They [[Scylla|butchered innocent civilians]], Dad. Come on. How can you ignore that?
:'''William Adama:''' I know that I didn't have to face any of the situations that she did. I had the [[Laura Roslin|President]] in my face, arguing for the survival of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|civilian fleet]]. I've Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] keeping me honest, balancing my morality and my tactics. And I had you. Now...you don't have any children, so you might not understand this, but you see yourself reflected in their eyes. And there are some things that I've thought of doing with this fleet, but I've stopped myself, because I knew I'd have to face you the following day.

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]] (credit only)
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] (credit only)
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] (credit only)
* [[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]] (credit only)
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]] (credit only)
* [[Michelle Forbes]] as Admiral [[Helena Cain]]
* [[Graham Beckel]] as Colonel [[Jack Fisk]]
* [[Stephanie Jacobsen]] as Lieutenant/Captain/Major [[Kendra Shaw]]
* [[Nico Cortez]] as Young [[William Adama]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Steve Bacic]] as Colonel [[Jurgen Belzen]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
* [[Eileen Pedde]] as Sergeant [[Erin Mathias]]
* [[Fulvio Cecere]] as Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]]
* [[Vincent Gale]] as [[Peter Laird]]
* [[Campbell Lane]] as [[First Hybrid|Hybrid]]
* [[Kyra Scott]] as Young [[Helena Cain]]
* [[Chandra Berg]] as Little [[Lucy Cain]]
* [[Peter Flemming]] as [[Cain (father)|Helena's Father]]
* [[Shaker Paleja]] as Medic [[Hudson]]
* [[Andrew Dunbar]] as Marine [[Dasilva]]
* [[Jacob Blair]] as Squad Leader [[Banzai]]
* [[Peter Bryant]] as [[Frank Bruno]]
* [[Chris Bradford]] as Ops Officer
* [[Tyson Stanley]] as Young [[Marine]]
* [[Trevor Roberts]] as ''[[Scylla]]'' Protestor #1
* [[Cameron Macleod]] as ''Scylla'' Protestor #2
* [[Ingrid Tesch]] as Mother
* [[Joey Pierce]] as Marine [[Riggs]]
* [[Matt Drake]] as Son #1
* [[Dustin Eriksen]] as Son #2
* [[John Hainsworth]] as Man in Cage #1
* [[Victor Ayala]] as Man in Cage #2
* [[Deni Dolory]] as Woman in Cage
* [[Emily Hirst]] as Child in Cage
* [[Ben Cotton]] as [[Terrified Man]]
* [[Stefanie von Pfetten]] as Captain [[Marcia Case|Marcia "Showboat" Case]]
* [[Alyssa Minniss]] as Flower Girl
* [[Allison Warnyca]] as Lt. [[Jaycie McGavin|Jaycie "Goldbrick" McGavin]] (credited only on the DVD's Flashback credits)
* Uncredited as [[Gus]]

== External Links ==

* Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=205 score for "Razor"]

== References ==
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==Episode 2==

There is no proof the McGavin died at the end. All we see is medics working on her.--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 10:44, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:To me it looks like the bodies on the stretchers are covered completely with blankets. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:53, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:: the far body is covered. the one in the forground isn't. you can catch a slight glimpse of her face.--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 11:11, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::: I'll have to watch it again myself to be sure, but it was apparent to me at least that she probably was a goner. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 12:23, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

The quality of the AVIs I have suck, so I'm not sure. Also, is it just me or are the uniforms somewhat inspired by the Original Series? Particularly some of the ones in the background? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:06, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah it's a bit ambiguous. Bodies are carried away and one crewmember goes to one of the stretchers as if that person still lives. On the other hand, it looks like Gavin dies and Adama's reaction seems to reinforce that. Maybe it'll be cleared up the in the next episodes.
:I only really noticed that the flight suits look a bit different with an additional layer. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:13, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::That vest worn on the flightsuits definately reminds me of the old uniforms. I thought I saw one of the personnel in the back with the stretchers moving out was carrying an IV hooked into her, so she might not be. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:19, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== Episode 3 ==

Anyone appreciate the many homages to the Original Series? One you might not have caught: Look at the Viper pilot helmets. It's the little things that stood out. Like watching TOS, only better. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:04, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
:The music was TOS-like too. It was alright, but I don't like the TOS Cylon Raiders in this context. They even have windows. It makes no sense whatsoever for a machine to control another machine like that. If the Cylons have the resources to build their own stuff like the basestars (which should be explained at some point btw), they can also build ships that fly themselves. I'm not even looking forward to see the TOS Centurions if they don't update their movement. All in all, small things like the uniforms are nice, but taking too much from TOS is a bad idea. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:22, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
:: Actually, it wouldn't be surprising if the Colonials created basestars and Raiders, since we know they did war with one another before the Cylons came along and unified them. So, in light of that, if humans had created the Radiers then having windows on the craft make sense. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:17, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

I loved how they included the two vipers , one coming down from behind to join to the other one after destroying a cyclon ship, they used this one all the time in TOS. --[[User:Eddyed|Eddyed]] 16:11, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

== Columbia armor ==

Anybody notice the extra armor on the bow of the Columbia (I think it's her)? It seems that Columbia either got a refit or was part of a subclass that featured heavier armor. --[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 17:46, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

Does anyone else think that the Galactica was originally built fully armorplated and parts were blown off in battle or removed after the war. --[[User:Spartan-117|Spartan-117]]
: The ribbing is actually a defensive measure, so that it can better take strikes against the hull. The visible ribbing design is deliberate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 20:20, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
::Interesting, particularly since the later battlestar types (Valkyrie type and Mercury class) don't have that feature. Do you have a source? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
:::There are a few discussions with the original CG designers that indicated this. I'll see if I can find them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 01:39, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
::::I think what your talking about can be found [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive3]]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 06:20, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
::''Columbia'' isn't fully armored either. She has more armor than ''Galactica'' in a few places, but visible ribbing as well. That really indicates that is like that on purpose. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:57, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
In that case, why wasn't ''Galactica'' later refitted? Her historical status or some other reason? --[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 17:02, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
:Budget cuts, probably. Remember that ''Galactica'' hadn't been refitted with software upgrades either ([[Miniseries]], [[Pegasus (Extended Version)]]).--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:35, 22 October 2007 (CDT)
::Or historical authenticity and practicality. The ship was being turned into a museum, why up-armor or upgrade to the latest navigation software when it was likely to stay put and not see action for the rest of her days. Why Columbia and Galactica have different degrees of armor cladding ... maybe they were pressed into service early? They were at different stages of completion? Galactica was completed first, and Columbia had additional weak spots armored as a result of lessons learned? As to why the armor wasn't upgraded during the course of the first Cylon war and up to her decommissioning ... who knows. --[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 13:36, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

==Episode 4==
Was it just me or did Adama have the season 1 clamshell pistol? And what was that gun the Centurion using?--[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 11:35, 27 October 2007 (CDT)
:He did indeed have the original RDM gun, which was used until at least "Valley of Darkness." The Cylon's gun looked to be a simple scratch build. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:22, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

== The Superweapon ==

Based on that one still, it seems the Cylon superweapon is more than a gun. First toying with human emulation? Is that ''Saul Tigh'' that Adama sees in the tank? Just a thought. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:33, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
:Nah, not Tigh. Different actor. It's one of the first, if not ''the'' first [[Hybrid]]s. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:38, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
::<s>[http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0991178/NUP_107034_1362.jpg.html?seq=5 This still]? I'm pretty sure it's not a Tigh model because of the issues that would cause. It's probably a Hybrid, a younger version of one of the older humanoid Cylon models (preventing future recognition by Adama) or a prototype humanoid Cylon which does not correspond to any of the modern twelve models.</s> -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:18, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Never mind, I noticed the still in the infobox. Based on the credits, it's almost certainly a Hybrid. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:25, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

== Adama's landing site ==

In the fourth flashback, Adama can cleary be seen parachuting towards one of the buildings with smokestacks and smashing through the windows on the ceiling. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:38, 16 November 2007 (CST)
:That does not mean it's a drydock. Just that they built some buildings where it landed. Or that it landed near the buildings. It certainly doesn't look like a shipyard. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:44, 16 November 2007 (CST)
:It looks more like a warehouse than some sort of drydock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 11:43, 16 November 2007 (CST)
::My point is that Adama clearly did not crash into the basestar. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 21:01, 16 November 2007 (CST)
:::Of course he didn't. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 10:30, 17 November 2007 (CST)
::::Yeah, and the seventh flashback rules out the possibility of him entering the basestar off-screen. [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] has removed the note in question. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:05, 17 November 2007 (CST)

== Bradford ==

I imagine Bradford might be the officer who gave Adama his launching orders and might be the guy Adama's talking to from Big G after leaving the warehouse/lab. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 10:30, 17 November 2007 (CST)
:Makes sense. I'll add him for episode 2 then. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:40, 17 November 2007 (CST)
:I would probably footnote it, since it can't be confirmed other than via logical deduction, at least right now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 10:50, 17 November 2007 (CST)
::Chris Bradford is the ops officer who tells Adama the armistice has been signed in episode 7. The LSO who tells Adama he's up for launch in episode 2 was done through the loop group, so no actor is credited. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 18:24, 7 December 2007 (CST)

== Episode 7 ==

According to the radio report, the war ends right as Operation Raptor Talon goes underway. Although we cannot ascertain how the war was going for the Cylons overall, and the lay military personnel wouldn't be totally aware of the strategic situation, Adama and McGavin still seem to see no end in sight for the war. Why then, would Cylon High Command stop the war at ''this'' instant, if RDM didn't intend to show the importance of this experiment? That ending the war was preferable to humanity gaining knowledge of their hybrid research is obvious in hindsight, and likely was noticed by Adama after Humanoid Cylons were revealed. Is any of this speculation permissible in the article though?--[[User:Emuhunter26|Emuhunter26]] 21:39, 17 November 2007 (CST)
:There seems to be unusual emphasis on the moon in the last scene. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:16, 17 November 2007 (CST)
:: Which seems to be the same moon that is seen in the Miniseries. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 23:20, 17 November 2007 (CST)
::Probably just for stylistic reasons to mirror the opening of the Miniseries, which has that camera zoom in reverse. No need to fanwank some story speculation out of it. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:46, 18 November 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah, I suspected that it was referencing some scene from the miniseries. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:52, 18 November 2007 (CST)
::::Maybe they just played that very scene in reverse instead of rendering everything again. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:26, 19 November 2007 (CST)
:::::It should be fairly easy to tell once the DVD is released. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 02:32, 19 November 2007 (CST)

== SciFi Pulse Links ==

They no longer work, so I've removed them. (They point to ''Eureka'' featurettes now.) It appears that SciFi has removed the Flashbacks from its site entirely, probably to make purchasing ''Razor'' a little more appealing. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 21:53, 27 November 2007 (CST)
: Figures. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 22:40, 27 November 2007 (CST)
::I'm not sure how long they've been up, but, while searching for the Flashbacks, I noticed SciFi Pulse has some full episodes from Season 3. I'll be using them to get by ''Galactica'' fix until the marathon. It'd be nice if we could get the season on DVD. I wonder what's taking so long with that. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 12:43, 28 November 2007 (CST)

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Mmm...toasty: Forgot to sign my name, d'oh!

== Namespace ==
Does this really even need to be namespaced? This page has links to all the deleted scenes listed. (I wonder if more have been posted). While TOS has deleted scenes, they are all on the DVDs. Unless somebody wanted to summarize the contents of all the TOS deleted scenes (a rather cruel and unusual sentence), I doubt there would be a TOS equivalent to this page. We have enough trouble getting episode summaries of the stuff that DIDN'T hit the cutting room floor. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:01, 13 February 2006 (EST)
:Well, eventually someone may enjoy detailing the TOS deleted scenes, since now you've confirmed that the TOS DVDs do have some. Better to keep its namespace as-is. Besides, yes, it's a pain to edit, but you knew the job was dangerous when you took it. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:36, 13 February 2006 (EST)
::Roger. Wilco. Yeah, there are deleted scenes on the DVD's, but they're all lumped together into one track. So if you're going to break them out into "scenes" for description, you'd have to do it manually. I wish I could pronounce them entirely worthless and write them off, but there have been occasions where they've saved me. I would have had NO idea who [[Sorrell]] was without a deleted scene, and no worthwhile screenshot of [[Paye]]. So... I guess it's worthwhile to hold a place for it. That's pretty low on my priority list, though, and I think we'll be able to declare vicotry on the Original Series Article Development project long before that comes anywhere close to being done. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:42, 14 February 2006 (EST)

== Link cleanup ==

Looks like a lot of the links to the Season 2 deleted scenes featured on Scifi.com have died, therefore we should definitely run through this page and check if all of them are dead, or if some of them are. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 00:40, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
:As far as I can tell ''all'' the links are dead. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 13:41, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

:I just noticed that as well. The videos are still there, but on SciFi Pulse. They are even directly linkable. I'll update the site. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:51, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

== Link formatting ==

I think having the whole sentence as link looks very ugly. How could we do this another way? Maybe number the links like "[http://ww.link.com 1]"? Or Have it behind the sentence: "[description] ([http://www.link.com Link])"? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:25, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
:Numbered links are easy: <code><nowiki>[http://www.a.com] [http://www.b.com]</nowiki></code> gives [http://www.a.com] [http://www.b.com]. Unfortunately, this keeps numbering all the way through the page and won't reset for the next episode. <code><nowiki>[http://www.example.com &#91;47&#93;]</nowiki></code> gives [http://www.example.com [47]], but needs manual numbering. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 06:21, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
::The second way is an option and wouldn't be hard to do with copy and paste. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:35, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

== SciFi Pulse purge ==

I just tried watching a scene and noticed that that SciFi Pulse has deleted all but a handful of deleted scenes! This sucks major balls. I hope this is just some temporary technical frak-up. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:37, 10 September 2007 (CDT)
: This may be their way of forcing people to buy the DVDs, since deleted scenes are a staple of them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 21:39, 10 September 2007 (CDT)
::Not on the UK DVDs tho, we have to make do with just being told by people that have seen them what they are of :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:54, 11 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Aye. The Miniseries has no deleted scenes. The S1 set has most of them. The S2 set has scenes for the first half, but none for the second (and there are some good ones). The S3 set has none. But aside from that, this was a convenient way to watch a small scene without hunting for it on the DVDs. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:57, 11 September 2007 (CDT)

== Kara's "confession" in Razor ==

In the deleted scenes for Razor, the Kendra/Kara scene is a lead-in to the Kara/Lee flashback where they're screening the Olympic Carrier footage. When Kara tells Kendra, "You didn't shoot," Kara is actually referring to Kendra's role in the Scylla incident. Up until that point, Kendra hadn't admitted that she fired her gun. Kendra was always the person who shot DaSilva; that was never supposed to be in question. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 14:11, 7 December 2007 (CST)

Talk:List of Deleted Scenes (Miniseries)/Archive 1

2007-12-07T20:10:36Z

Mmm...toasty: New section: Kara's "confession" in Razor

Talk:Razor/Archive2

2007-12-06T17:54:02Z

Mmm...toasty:

{{ArchiveTOC}}

==The first Hybrid's "children"==
I can think of several possibilities:
*The Guardians
*The humanoid Cylons
*The other Hybrids
*Cylons in general
-- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:27, 25 November 2007 (CST)

== To-do list ==

Most major things have been done already, but there are some left (add if you can think of anything):

*<strike>Updating [[Peter Laird]]</strike>
*Finding out who [[Riggs]] and [[Frank Bruno]] are and updating the articles
*Adding some other lines to Noteworthy Dialogue
*<strike>Adding such dialogue to [[Razor Flashbacks]]. Not much to go on, but the "[[nothing but the rain]]" exchange between Adama and McGavin is good.</strike>

Razor analysis and questions will probably be done without much effort. The most major thing is getting pictures, but we better wait for DVD to do that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:07, 26 November 2007 (CST)
:Riggs is the marine Kendra gives a hard time to after his squad does a weapons assembly drill. Bruno only appears in the DVD, AFAIK. He's the guy who talks to Kendra in the "coffee tent," before she posts to Pegasus. He also appears in a deleted scene with Lee. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 11:48, 6 December 2007 (CST)

==Razor Acts and Teaser==
I've finished writing the Pegasus timeline for Razor. I know it's pretty long, but keep in mind that not only is it a double-episode, the content is extremely compressed, so it was hard to shorten it up. For future reference, I have added an invisible note at the bottom of the Razor summary detailing the Razor Teaser, and a breakdown of where each act begins and ends. Additionally, I am including another copy here.

*Teaser
**We see only Shaw’s hand as she opens and closes Cain’s knife. She rubs her fingers along the blade, careful not to get hurt. She talks about the importance of living with your decisions, and the cycle of life, and how there are no second chances. The word “RAZOR” flashes across the screen.
**We now see a series of flashbacks, periodically edited in with shots of Shaw caressing Cain’s knife. The first to appear is the discovery of the Pegasus by the Fleet ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). We then see Gina being whipped by Thorne (a new scene), and we hear Baltar’s voice comforting her, telling her that what she needs is justice. Next we see Gina holding the gun to Cain’s head. We hear the gun go off, and then we immediately see her funeral, with Fisk giving the eulogy ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). Next we see Fisk being garroted and then Adama and Tigh talking about promoting Garner ([[Black Market]]). Next we see the scene where the enemy baseships jump ahead of the Pegasus, and Garner dies saving the ship. We see Apollo promoted to commander ([[The Captain's Hand]]).
**Finally we hear Shaw again, talking about how you are the choices you make in life, followed by the opening titles.

::Don't use things like "we see". If anything write "the viewer sees". But best is a more neutral voice like "Shaw says" or "Shaw's hand". The rest isn't really needed at all. I don't think it's necessary to summarize the flashbacks designed to bring viewers up to speed. Shaw's monologue should be enough. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:29, 26 November 2007 (CST)

*Act 1
**Begins after opening titles.
**Ends after Shaw is promoted to major.
*Act 2
**Begins as Shaw is drilling Colonial Marines on rifle assembly aboard Pegasus.
**Ends as the Pegasus crew is shouting “So Say We All!”
*Act 3
**Begins as the Pegasus senior staff is discussing the communication relay.
**Ends as the first Cylon salvos strike Pegasus.
*Act 4
**Begins as Belzen is being taken to the morgue.
**Ends after the First Cylon War flashback, as Adama and Roslin look over the original Cylon Raider.
*Act 5
**Begins as Roslin, Apollo and Adama discuss the Guardian basestar.
**Ends after the massacre aboard the Scylla.
*Act 6
**Begins as the Scylla boarding party is leaving the ship.
**Ends as the Centurion Model 0005’s are coordinating with each other aboard the Cylon Raider.
*Act 7
**Begins as Red Squad is floating in space.
**Ends after the Guardian basestar explodes.
*Act 8
**Begins as Apollo and Adama are discussing Cain and Shaw posthumously.
**Ends at credits.
--[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 03:52, 26 November 2007 (CST)

:Alright I've taken that part out. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 04:39, 26 November 2007 (CST)

== Doral in Razor? ==

Is it me, or is the guy in a suit (security?) seen shortly behind Cain at the beginning of the conference in her quarters a [[Number Five]]? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 12:56, 29 November 2007 (CST)
: I did a double take myself when I saw that... but it isn't Doral. It's apparently just a crew member who is dressed as a butler for the dinner occasion. (For Doral's appearance in "Razor", he's in a scene where he notifies Bill Adama that Lee will be doing the flyby during the decommissioning ceremony.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 13:01, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:They look somewhat similar, but you can tell it's not really him. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:05, 29 November 2007 (CST)

== Hair color? ==

Is it just me, or is Cain's hair color different in this appearance than it was in the previous season two episodes? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 19:42, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:Positrons... heisenberg hair color uncertainty principle... yeah. It appears darker offhand. [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=53&pos=3 New hair] vs [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=53&pos=3 Old hair]--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:03, 29 November 2007 (CST)
::Didn't we talk about this already? :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:26, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:::I mentioned it in our Gtalk conversation. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 20:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)
::::Not just the color, but the style, too. She looks more feminine and less severe. Maybe she decides later that curlers and color treatments are not combat considerations :) --[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 16:51, 30 November 2007 (CST)

== New Razor article? ==

It's like what I say in the header, though to specify: are we going to have another article for the extended/unrated version of "Razor" like with what we did with "[[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus]]", or are we just going to drop everything under the same article? I'd like to know before any integration of new material from the extended version goes into here. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:16, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:Isn't it just 15 minutes more material? Given the length of 1.5 hours, that's not so much. The summary is already pretty long, but since it's not that much new stuff, we could include it in this article I think. And then mark it somehow, for example with "(*)". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:20, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::I have the DVD for two weeks now (a week before release) and it's not that much of a difference. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:22, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::No need to have an extended version of the page. We should just note what happens in these extended scenes, note that they are extended, and we'll be fine. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 12:44, 5 December 2007 (CST)
Well, I wasn't advocating a new page. I just wanted to make sure no one was going to create one before we started adding the extra material in - which I'm surprised no one has started yet. I do think there should be something specific about there being two versions, though. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 16:29, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:Could be placed in the overview section. There it can also be explained how the DVD scenes are marked. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:30, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::I we do include the extra scenes into this main article, we should mark them as being on the dvd only. I got my copy last night and saw the changes. They're not a lot "length-wise", but in general story telling, it does add in a lot. It definitely explains more about Cain's psyche and explains her motives to fight instead of run. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 09:09, 6 December 2007 (CST)

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{{ArchiveTOC}}

==The first Hybrid's "children"==
I can think of several possibilities:
*The Guardians
*The humanoid Cylons
*The other Hybrids
*Cylons in general
-- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:27, 25 November 2007 (CST)

== To-do list ==

Most major things have been done already, but there are some left (add if you can think of anything):

*<strike>Updating [[Peter Laird]]</strike>
*Finding out who [[Riggs]] and [[Frank Bruno]] are and updating the articles
*Adding some other lines to Noteworthy Dialogue
*<strike>Adding such dialogue to [[Razor Flashbacks]]. Not much to go on, but the "[[nothing but the rain]]" exchange between Adama and McGavin is good.</strike>

Razor analysis and questions will probably be done without much effort. The most major thing is getting pictures, but we better wait for DVD to do that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:07, 26 November 2007 (CST)
:Riggs is the marine Kendra gives a hard time to after his squad does a weapons assembly drill. Bruno only appears in the DVD, AFAIK. He's the guy who talks to Kendra in the "coffee tent." He also appears in a deleted scene with Lee. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 11:48, 6 December 2007 (CST)

==Razor Acts and Teaser==
I've finished writing the Pegasus timeline for Razor. I know it's pretty long, but keep in mind that not only is it a double-episode, the content is extremely compressed, so it was hard to shorten it up. For future reference, I have added an invisible note at the bottom of the Razor summary detailing the Razor Teaser, and a breakdown of where each act begins and ends. Additionally, I am including another copy here.

*Teaser
**We see only Shaw’s hand as she opens and closes Cain’s knife. She rubs her fingers along the blade, careful not to get hurt. She talks about the importance of living with your decisions, and the cycle of life, and how there are no second chances. The word “RAZOR” flashes across the screen.
**We now see a series of flashbacks, periodically edited in with shots of Shaw caressing Cain’s knife. The first to appear is the discovery of the Pegasus by the Fleet ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). We then see Gina being whipped by Thorne (a new scene), and we hear Baltar’s voice comforting her, telling her that what she needs is justice. Next we see Gina holding the gun to Cain’s head. We hear the gun go off, and then we immediately see her funeral, with Fisk giving the eulogy ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). Next we see Fisk being garroted and then Adama and Tigh talking about promoting Garner ([[Black Market]]). Next we see the scene where the enemy baseships jump ahead of the Pegasus, and Garner dies saving the ship. We see Apollo promoted to commander ([[The Captain's Hand]]).
**Finally we hear Shaw again, talking about how you are the choices you make in life, followed by the opening titles.

::Don't use things like "we see". If anything write "the viewer sees". But best is a more neutral voice like "Shaw says" or "Shaw's hand". The rest isn't really needed at all. I don't think it's necessary to summarize the flashbacks designed to bring viewers up to speed. Shaw's monologue should be enough. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:29, 26 November 2007 (CST)

*Act 1
**Begins after opening titles.
**Ends after Shaw is promoted to major.
*Act 2
**Begins as Shaw is drilling Colonial Marines on rifle assembly aboard Pegasus.
**Ends as the Pegasus crew is shouting “So Say We All!”
*Act 3
**Begins as the Pegasus senior staff is discussing the communication relay.
**Ends as the first Cylon salvos strike Pegasus.
*Act 4
**Begins as Belzen is being taken to the morgue.
**Ends after the First Cylon War flashback, as Adama and Roslin look over the original Cylon Raider.
*Act 5
**Begins as Roslin, Apollo and Adama discuss the Guardian basestar.
**Ends after the massacre aboard the Scylla.
*Act 6
**Begins as the Scylla boarding party is leaving the ship.
**Ends as the Centurion Model 0005’s are coordinating with each other aboard the Cylon Raider.
*Act 7
**Begins as Red Squad is floating in space.
**Ends after the Guardian basestar explodes.
*Act 8
**Begins as Apollo and Adama are discussing Cain and Shaw posthumously.
**Ends at credits.
--[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 03:52, 26 November 2007 (CST)

:Alright I've taken that part out. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 04:39, 26 November 2007 (CST)

== Doral in Razor? ==

Is it me, or is the guy in a suit (security?) seen shortly behind Cain at the beginning of the conference in her quarters a [[Number Five]]? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 12:56, 29 November 2007 (CST)
: I did a double take myself when I saw that... but it isn't Doral. It's apparently just a crew member who is dressed as a butler for the dinner occasion. (For Doral's appearance in "Razor", he's in a scene where he notifies Bill Adama that Lee will be doing the flyby during the decommissioning ceremony.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 13:01, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:They look somewhat similar, but you can tell it's not really him. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:05, 29 November 2007 (CST)

== Hair color? ==

Is it just me, or is Cain's hair color different in this appearance than it was in the previous season two episodes? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 19:42, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:Positrons... heisenberg hair color uncertainty principle... yeah. It appears darker offhand. [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=53&pos=3 New hair] vs [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=53&pos=3 Old hair]--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:03, 29 November 2007 (CST)
::Didn't we talk about this already? :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:26, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:::I mentioned it in our Gtalk conversation. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 20:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)
::::Not just the color, but the style, too. She looks more feminine and less severe. Maybe she decides later that curlers and color treatments are not combat considerations :) --[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 16:51, 30 November 2007 (CST)

== New Razor article? ==

It's like what I say in the header, though to specify: are we going to have another article for the extended/unrated version of "Razor" like with what we did with "[[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus]]", or are we just going to drop everything under the same article? I'd like to know before any integration of new material from the extended version goes into here. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:16, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:Isn't it just 15 minutes more material? Given the length of 1.5 hours, that's not so much. The summary is already pretty long, but since it's not that much new stuff, we could include it in this article I think. And then mark it somehow, for example with "(*)". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:20, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::I have the DVD for two weeks now (a week before release) and it's not that much of a difference. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:22, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::No need to have an extended version of the page. We should just note what happens in these extended scenes, note that they are extended, and we'll be fine. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 12:44, 5 December 2007 (CST)
Well, I wasn't advocating a new page. I just wanted to make sure no one was going to create one before we started adding the extra material in - which I'm surprised no one has started yet. I do think there should be something specific about there being two versions, though. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 16:29, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:Could be placed in the overview section. There it can also be explained how the DVD scenes are marked. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:30, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::I we do include the extra scenes into this main article, we should mark them as being on the dvd only. I got my copy last night and saw the changes. They're not a lot "length-wise", but in general story telling, it does add in a lot. It definitely explains more about Cain's psyche and explains her motives to fight instead of run. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 09:09, 6 December 2007 (CST)

I Wanna Frak

2007-12-06T17:01:11Z

Mmm...toasty: Added composer and performer info. May want to move this page to one with the title of the song.

{{sillypage}}
The '''BSG Rap'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> refers to a rap heard at the end of the [[Season 3 gag reel]]. It is a shortened version of a song titled is "I Wanna Frak," written and performed by [[Bear McCreary|Bear]] and [[Brendan McCreary]].

== Lyrics ==

:Yeah I wanna [[frak]]
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll [[Resurrection tank|resurrect]]
:You know we'll keep it fresh

:Damn it's good to be a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon]]
:'Cause we're droppin' motherfrakkers all night long

:I'll hit up [[Number Six]]
:[[Gaius Baltar|Gaius]], stupid bitch,
:Got one in your head
:But I got twenty on my dick

:Like a porn star on this [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]
:Motherfrakkers watch this [[Cylon (TOS)|red eye]]
:Side to side like a race car

:Frak you, frak her
:Motherfrakker back off
:I'll frak you from behind like you're [[Katee Sackhoff]]

:Yeah I wanna frak
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll resurrect...
:You know we'll keep it fresh '''(x3 – fade)'''
:Yeah I wanna frak
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll resurrect
:You know we'll keep it fresh

:There ain't no [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] anyway motherfrakkers, peace

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]

I Wanna Frak

2007-12-04T18:37:11Z

Mmm...toasty:

{{sillypage}}
The '''BSG Rap'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> refers to a rap heard at the end of the [[Season 3 gag reel]]. The author and artist of the song are not revealed in the gag video.

== Lyrics ==

:Yeah I wanna [[frak]]
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll [[Resurrection tank|resurrect]]
:You know we'll keep it fresh

:Damn it's good to be a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon]]
:'Cause we're droppin' motherfrakkers all night long

:I'll hit up [[Number Six]]
:[[Gaius Baltar|Gaius]], stupid bitch,
:Got one in your head
:But I got twenty on my dick

:Like a porn star on this [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]
:Motherfrakkers watch this [[Cylon (TOS)|red eye]]
:Side to side like a race car

:Frak you, frak her
:Motherfrakker back off
:I'll frak you from behind like you're [[Katee Sackhoff]]

:Yeah I wanna frak
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll resurrect...
:You know we'll keep it fresh '''(x3 – fade)'''
:Yeah I wanna frak
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll resurrect
:You know we'll keep it fresh

:There ain't no [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] anyway motherfrakkers, peace

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]

I Wanna Frak

2007-12-04T04:01:00Z

Mmm...toasty:

{{sillypage}}
The '''BSG Rap'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> refers to a rap heard at the end of the [[Season 3 gag reel]]. The author and artist of the song are not revealed in the gag video.

== Lyrics ==

:Yeah I wanna [[frak]]
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll [[Resurrection tank|resurrect]]
:You know we'll keep it fresh

:Damn it's good to be a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon]]
:'Cause we're droppin' motherfrakkers all night long

:I'll hit up [[Number Six]]
:[[Gaius Baltar|Gaius]], stupid bitch,
:Got one in your head
:But I got twenty in my crib

:Like a porn star on this [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]
:Motherfrakkers watch this [[Cylon (TOS)|red eye]]
:Side to side like a race car

:Frak you, frak off
:Motherfrakker back off
:I'll frak you from behind like you're [[Katee Sackhoff]]

:Yeah I wanna frak
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll resurrect...
:You know we'll keep it fresh '''(x3 – fade)'''
:Yeah I wanna frak
:In the front and in the back
:And then we'll resurrect
:You know we'll keep it fresh

:There ain't no [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] anyway motherfrakkers, peace

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]

A Day in the Life

2007-12-03T19:12:18Z

Mmm...toasty:

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== Overview ==
:''[[William Adama|Adama]] faces the memory of his [[Carolanne Adama|late wife]] and their marriage as he marks his wedding anniversary. Meanwhile [[Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] are trapped in a depressurizing airlock with no way to leave it, and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] is pushing ahead with [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s trial.

== Summary ==
===Teaser===
*[[Galen Tyrol]], looking haggard, is carrying a baby bottle to his small, but private accommodations for his wife, [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] and their infant son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]].
*The Tyrols are beginning their day. While Cally was expecting a day off, Galen tells her of needed maintenance on an [[airlock]] that cannot wait. Cally is frustrated by Galen's insistance that she assist him instead of enlisting others from the deck crew.
*Admiral [[William Adama]] dreams of his late wife, [[Carolanne Adama|Carolanne]], at a home on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. When his quarter's intercom awakens him, Adama's grogginess shows him rising from his bunk, and Carolanne's image appears, asleep, in the bunk as well.
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] enters with papers to sign for needed maintenance on the ship. The XO notices the empty bunk and is quite aware that today is Adama's wedding anniversary with his wife.
*Private [[Stewart Jaffee|Jaffee]] arrives to drop off the admiral's coffee, and Adama, deep in thought with memories of his ex-wife, is unable to remember the crewman's name.
*Chief Tyrol arrives in a crew head to talk through the work schedules with his deck crew. He tells [[Seelix]] to join the Tyrols at airlock 12, an airlock located on the port aft side of ''[[Galactica|Galactica's]]'' "alligator head".
*The Tyrols enter the airlock; equipment and pallets are strewn about, and the observation deck has been unused for over a year. A previous [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon attack]] had left this airlock unusable, and minor hull breeches here had been temporarily patched and left for a later repair.
*The Tyrols were to fix the gearing systems of the airlock's doors. As Cally tries to get Galen to discuss their marital problems, specifically Galen's desire to handle workloads as usual despite their marriage, a klaxon activates and the inner airlock doors quickly close. Seelix is confused; she didn't initiate the airlock close. She notifies the Chief of a pressure differential in the compartment; a leak has developed.
*Galen Tyrol, despite Cally's surprise, isn't fazed; he knows that the airlock closure is an automatic safety mechanism. He instructs his wife to search for the leak, knowing that the doors will open once the leak is again patched.

===Act 1===
*Adama envisions himself at his home on Caprica as Carolanne's image asks him if he is going to continue repeating events to exercise his memory.
*Carolanne's image accuses him of using his position to exalt himself and President [[Laura Roslin]].
*Roslin and Adama meet for a quick briefing. She admits that it could have been over [[wireless]] but she had to get off of [[Colonial One|her ship]]. Adama explains her mood as being "O.B.E." - overcome by events.
*Roslin suggests that [[Lee Adama]] lead the process in organizing the necessary resources for [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] trial, noting Lee's [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|past with just causes]] against the ''status quo'' as well as the Adama family history in [[Joseph Adama|law]]. Admiral Adama agrees to ask Lee about the matter.
*Roslin asks to stay aboard ''[[Galactica]]'' and tells Adama that she is going to the gym. Adama smiles and mentions something about the smell, to which Roslin laughs heartily.
*Pilots conduct their [[CAP]] briefing in their [[Pilot ready rooms|ready room]], chatting between themselves with some satisfaction that the Cylons haven't been seen for 49 days.
*[[Helo]] handshakes [[Hot Dog]], who complains about a strange rash as he scratches near his genitals. Helo smiles and, implying the questionable worthiness of a probable illicit (and inadvisable) sexual union by Hot Dog, wipes his hands on the armrests and moves a seat away from the scratching pilot. As Major [[Lee Adama]] steps up to begin his briefing, one [[Tattooed pilot|last pilot]] takes the seat next to Helo.
*Major Adama begins his pilot briefing, berating the pilots' celebration. He tells the pilots that the number "1" is all they need to remember, reminding them that it takes only 1 slip-up to begin a major disaster for the Fleet. Admiral Adama is outside of the ready room, and stands quietly and out of eyesight to anyone as he listens, with a faint level of pride appearing on his face, to his son's stern lecture.
*Carolanne's image tells Adama to express his love for Lee as how a father would to his son, not as an Admiral to a Captain.
*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] sticks around for a few seconds after the pilots are dismissed to tease Major Adama about mimicking his father's ultimatum command style. The younger Adama replies that if he has to copy, it should be from the best. Admiral Adama enters the room as Starbuck leaves for her duties.
*Admiral Adama asks his son to head the legal organization processes for Baltar's trial. Major Adama is flattered and will consider the idea. He tells his father that, as a child looking through his grandfather's office and the various books strewn about, he considered a profession as a lawyer amongst his many other career considerations, something that his father never knew. The major notes that his [[CAG]] duties are 24/7 as it is, even with the Cylon down time.
*The Tyrols' patching of the breach appears to work initially, but when the pressure test is done, the new patches fail. The leak worsens greatly.

===Act 2===
*Admiral Adama has been alerted about the worsening airlock emergency with the Tyrols in airlock 12 and makes his way there with Colonel Tigh and their [[Marines|Marine]] escort in tow. He assesses the damage personally and later consults with his command staff in [[CIC]]. There is approximately 30 minutes of air in the lock, and the temperature is dropping considerably as frost begins to form inside the airlock.
*Major Adama notes extensive damage in the airlock that has damaged the redundancies that could manually open the door, leaving no way to open it. Tigh suggests blowing the glass in the airlock's observation deck, but Major Adama warns that the reinforced glass is designed to handle a [[tylium]] explosion, and that a detonation sufficient to blow the glass would kill the Tyrols as well. Admiral Adama is angered by the lack of options and demands more thought.
*The pilots prep for an extraordinary rescue attempt; to blow the external door, where the Tyrols, exposed to vacuum, will have to leap into [[Sharon Agathon|Athena's]] [[Raptor]]. Admiral Adama briefs the Tyrols on the plan shortly after the two don emergency breathing gear.
*After retrieving the Tyrols, it will take seven seconds to close the Raptor's external door and another 10 seconds to re-pressurize the rescue vessel.
*Cally is visibly upset after hearing the plan. The Chief asks if a docking collar will be used, to which Adama states in the negative; there is not enough time. The Tyrols try to prep the area so that the evacuation of the airlock will not pummel them or their rescue ship with flying pallets or other equipment.
*Cally Tyrol worries who will take care of their [[Nicholas Tyrol|son]] if things go wrong. Galen suggests that [[Anastasia Dualla]] and her husband would be suitable foster parents, but Cally knows of a reputation throughout the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] of how orphaned children fare there. Fearing that pilots (with their hazardous life) would leave Nicky orphaned a second time, she asks Admiral Adama to give their son to [[Susan Seklir]], a civilian mother with one daughter.

===Act 3===
*The Raptor is in position, with Athena as pilot and Apollo and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] inside, ready to catch the two. Apollo warns everyone of shrapnel and other turbulence that will affect the mission.
*Galen Tyrol apologizes to his wife for being selfish in asking her to join him in the repair. The order was his way of wanting to have her companionship. He instructs her to hold tight as they prepare to leave the airlock.
*Admiral Adama orders the door blown. The Tyrols are flung from the airlock and the Raptor manages to fend off debris from the door, catch the entwined Tyrols, then re-pressurize. Apollo notes the Tyrols are in rough shape but alive.
*Later, Admiral and Major Adama talk about Carolanne, who haunts the elder Adama's memory, accusing him of never being there, able to lead men but not his own family.
*Lee Adama tells his father that, after their divorce, Carolanne made many promises that she didn't keep, particularly once she took to drinking. Over time, she wouldn't apologize for her neglect in fulfilling the promises. The young Adama believes that, despite his love of his mother, he did not believe that she truly loved his father.

===Act 4===
*Seelix arrives in [[sickbay]] with baby Tyrol in her arms after retrieving him from day care. Galen Tyrol is in a bunk, resting, but exerts himself to stand and hold his son. He tells Seelix that Cally will be fine, although Dr. [[Cottle]] notes it will be some time before she is up to full strength. He slowly walks to Cally, who is recuperating inside a hyperbaric chamber to treat the effects of vacuum exposure.
*Cally Tyrol awakens to glimpse at her family. Her eyes show distress from the vacuum and she is too weak to smile, but holds her hand to the interior window. Galen presses his son's hand to the glass; Admiral Adama is nearby and has watched the entire event.
*Major Adama returns to his quarters to find his wife resting. She points to a box that his father had shipped to his quarters; the young Adama facetiously asks if the box is ticking. On inspecting it, he finds a library of Caprican criminal law books, the same ones he looked at from his grandfather's collection. The admiral leaves a note for his son.
*Admiral Adama completes yet another meeting with Laura Roslin. Adama steers the conversation back to New Caprica, specifically, their time together during then-President Baltar's [[Unfinished Business|groundbreaking ceremony and party]]. Roslin admits to [[New Caprican leaf|feeling a little silly]] that evening.
*Adama fondly recalls her red dress and the good feelings each had that day. When Roslin laughs, Adama tells her how happy it is to see her do so. He asks her, if the Cylons hadn't attacked, if she would have built that cabin in the woods that she wanted.
*Roslin temporarily evades the question by answering that Baltar's inept leadership and New Caprica's terrain would have prevented such a building, but is pleased by Adama's attention. She asks if he would have stayed on ''Galactica'' or eventually settled himself, to which Adama evades an answer by stating that their questions were all hypothetical in any case.
*Adama, with a smile, states that the two of them have "certain responsibilities," apparently attempting to return a professional distance to what was becoming a very intimate conversation. Roslin replies, with another smile, to the affirmative.
*As she begins to leave, she tells Adama that, in a few days, she'll return to the battlestar, where they can continue their conversation and reminisce of their brief time on New Caprica and its possibilities. As she crosses the hatchway, Roslin tells Adama that she would have definitely built her cabin if time and circumstance would have allowed.
*Adama returns to his quarters, holding his wedding picture. He returns it to its storage until next year.

===Bonus Scene===
*The complete bonus scene (which was available on the [http://www.scifi.com Sci Fi Channel web site for U.S. viewers after the episode]) takes place just before Colonel Tigh visits Admiral Adama's quarters at the start of the episode.
*Lieutenants [[Felix Gaeta]] and Anastasia Dualla walk towards Adama's quarters for signatures of maintenance orders as part of their daily briefing. As he makes some notes on the orders, Gaeta volunteers the observation that President Roslin and Adama have had many meetings together recently.
*When Dualla asks what he's implying, Gaeta suggests that there might be something more intimate going on between the senior Fleet leadership. Dualla grimaces at the possibility, replying that the idea of Roslin and Adama together in her head was not a particularly desirable one to imagine.
*When the two think deeply and briefly of the two commanders together, both begin to laugh, and continue to do so when Colonel Tigh intercepts them and asks what was so funny.
*The two formally note their briefing, but Tigh takes the folder to deliver himself and dismisses the two back to CIC. Dualla and Gaeta's composure fails as they turn to CIC and begin laughing uncontrollably as Tigh heads to his friend's quarters, which connects to the original scene of his arrival.

== Notes ==
* "A Day in the Life" is also [[w:A Day in the Life|the title of a song]] by [[w:The Beatles|The Beatles]]. It is not known whether this has any particular meaning to the episode.
* The character of [[Susan Seklir]] is a nod to editor [[Andrew Seklir]]. Adama notes a crewman named Kinzy which is a nod to assistant editor Tim Kinzy.
* One of the pieces of debris ejected from the airlock is a [[daggit]]. You can see it in the wide shot as Tyrol and Cally's bodies are flying towards the raptor.
* There are two births that occurred between "[[The Woman King]]" and "A Day in the Life", as the population count after "The Woman King" was 41,396.
* A day care center exists on ''Galactica''.
* [[Number Six]] ([[Tricia Helfer]]) and [[Gaius Baltar]] ([[James Callis]]) do not appear in any scene in this episode.
* The set used for the airlock - in particular the observation booth - is the same as for the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tubes]].
* The depictions of the airlock getting colder as it depressurizes are not entirely accurate. Contrary to common belief, space is an insulator. In low-pressure environments, convection is ineffective and the only way to lose heat is by radiating it.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html|title=Human Body in a Vacuum|date=3 June 1997|accessdate=8 August 2007|last=NASA|first=Goddard Space Flight Center|format=|language=}}</ref>
* In reality, humans have been exposed to near-vacuum conditions for up to thirty seconds without permanent injury. Some sources state that survival is possible for up to two minutes, but the injury the body sustains becomes severe after approximately one minute of exposure (a figure noted by Admiral Adama). The biggest danger is damage to the lungs, as the sudden pressure differential can burst the alveoli. That is why a person should exhale and not hold their breath. As the Tyrols were exposed to gradual decompression prior to the blowing of the airlock hatch, decompression injury may actually be reduced compared to what would otherwise be expected.
* The photo of Adama and his wife [[Carolanne Adama|Carolanne]] is black and white. Possibly an aesthetic choice.

== Analysis ==
* The argument referenced in "[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]" between the Tyrols focuses on how [[Galen Tyrol|Galen]] acts as if nothing has changed since marrying [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]], particularly as he ignores his family's needs over the needs of his job. Cally, on the other hand, is concerned about [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicky]], and has apparently gone to great lengths to think about his future, notably when Cally asks Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] to give Nicky to a civilian family whom she knows.
* There was much patchwork done to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' after the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] notes that ''Galactica'' would need six weeks in dry dock "just for the dents", making it sound likely that ''Galactica'' would not survive another battle like New Caprica.
* The cinematic flashbacks or imaginary melding of Adama's memories of Carolanne, including recollections or imaginings of sitting with her and touching her and what he believed she would say in the various situations of the day, are similar to how [[Gaius Baltar]] imagines his [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Number Six]]. However, Adama's likelihood of being a [[Humanoid Cylon speculation|Cylon]] are practically refuted by the existence of his memories (as well as two characters, Lee Adama and Saul Tigh, who also share in the same memories).
* Through his internal conversations and arguments with Carolanne, it appears Adama has regrets with his decision to marry her. The regret has become a nagging question and buffer on his ability to make decisions and to not question them.
* Carolanne appears to have been an undiagnosed/untreated person with bipolar disorder, and was an alcoholic. Once divorced and left raising her two sons, she fell into heavy drinking and was clinically depressed for several years, apparently with bouts of anger/violence.
* Dealing with Carolanne's personality defects most likely gave the Adama insights into dealing with Colonel Tigh's alcoholism.

== Questions ==
* Since it is not connected to the larger port [[flight pod]] and its [[hangar deck]], what would airlock 12 normally be used for?
* Will the potential romance between Roslin and Adama be consummated or left as a "what could have been" scenario?
* How many different types of court and law codes are there within the Colonies? Is there not a unified "Federal" equivalent set of laws that could be used for Baltar's trial?
* Will Lee Adama take on the position offered by Roslin?
* Is Helo no longer in charge of taking care of living arrangements for Dogsville?
* Will ''Galactica'' ever be able to fight up to the capacity she did during the [[Battle of New Caprica]]?
* Is there any greater significance to [[Brendan Costanza|Hotdog's]] rash?

== Official Statements ==
Information from the podcast:

* Carolanne's name was originally Caroline. RDM and the other editors in the podcast note that the change occurred when Olmos used the name Carolanne instead of Caroline. Ever since, Adama's wife has been called Carolanne by the staff.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''[[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] are at a briefing in the ready room. Sitting next to each other, Helo notices Hot Dog scratching near his groin area:''
:'''Helo''': "What's the matter with you?"
:'''Hot Dog''': "Sorry, I've got the weirdest rash."
:'''Helo''': "Really?" (Helo looks askance at Hot Dog) "I hope she was worth it buddy!"
:(Helo gets up and moves one seat over to the aisle seat. [[Athena]], overhearing the exchange, moves with her husband simultaneously over to her aisle seat directly behind Helo while also giving Hot Dog a humorously wary look and a smile.)

*''[[William Adama]] using his memories about his [[Carolanne Adama|ex-wife]] thinking about his son, while [[Lee Adama]] is hold a briefing :''
:'''Lee''': How many of you boneheads know how to count? Because I keep hearing numbers being thrown around the hangar deck. 47, and then 48. Now 49 days since our last enemy contact. Now, I realize that any higher math's probably beyond most of you, so I'm gonna make this real simple for you. One is the only number you need to remember. Because all it takes is one pilot to let his guard down, one [[ECO]] to miss a [[DRADIS]] contact, and suddenly the Cylons are on top of us. That's when people die.
:'''William''' (seeing the house on Caprica in his mind): He's like both of us. Proud, stubborn, and angry. But he's coming into his own. Especially in the last few months.
:'''Carolanne''': Don't tell me. Tell him!
:'''William''': He knows.
:'''Carolanne''': Knows what? That the admiral's going to give him a good performance review? Or that his father loves him? Don't tell me the admiral's facade extends to Lee too.

*''The two Adama talking about Carolanne and their family life.''
:'''Lee''': Well Dad, we had four walls. But stability? My Gods, you knew what mom was like. I mean, the mood swings? It's why you left her.
:'''William''': We had problems, but she cared deeply for you and your brother.
:'''Lee''': Well, then things changed after you left. I mean, there were times when she lost control.
:'''Carolanne''' (in William Adama's mind): Don't listen to him, Bill.
:'''Lee''': And she would try and apologize She would promise she would make things better. But then she would just start drinking, and then all of her good intentions would just go out the frakkin'...
:'''William''' (in his mind): Is it true?
:'''Carolanne''': I can't believe you'd even ask me that.
:'''William''': Damn it, is it true?
:'''Lee''': And then one day, finally the apologies even stopped.
:'''William''' (in his mind): That's enough.
:'''Carolanne''': You walked out on me! You walked on me! The brilliant Commander! Who could lead all of his men into combat, but he couldn't find a way to live with his own family! Never lived anywhere for more than six months. Just following you around from one base to another. Waiting for you to come home. But you weren't here for any of us! Whatever was easiest for the great Adama!
:'''William''' (in his mind): They needed you. They were our children
:'''Carolanne''': They needed a father. All through your glorious career, you have prided yourself on being a leader of men, judging people. Always making the hard call. But when it came to the biggest decision of your life. Oh, Bill, you blew it. We were wrong for each other from day one, but you just couldn't accept that. That's it. That's why you keep calling me back. Because if you had made that mistake, it would just call into question all of your other decisions.
:'''William''': She was still your mother, Lee. I loved her.
:'''Lee''': I believe you. I just don't think she ever loved you.

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Lt. [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Capt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Lucinda Jenney]] as [[Carolanne Adama]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Jen Halley]] as Specialist [[Seelix]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lt. [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Don Thompson]] as [[Anthony Figurski]]
* [[Mike Leisen]] as Private [[Stewart Jaffee]]
* [[Finn Devit]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (uncredited)

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==Continuity==
On 11 October, the [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season3.html Patriot Resource] reported:
<blockquote>Adama and Caroline split after he received his first command. Lee indicates that she turned on him and Zak. Adama seems surprised, but Lee points out that Caroline was already pregnant with him when she and Adama got married. [This implies that they may not have married out of love and that she might blame Lee's conception for the unhappy marriage.]</blockquote>
If this report is correct, it contradicts what we have learned about William Adama's early years in the episodes "[[Act of Contrition]]" and "[[Scattered]]". To wit:
*Two women have been named as Adama's wife - [[Caroline Adama]], in "[[Act of Contrition]]", identified as Lee and Zak's mother, and [[Anne Adama]], in "[[Scattered]]", referred to as William's "new wife" in a flashback scene set 20 years prior to the series (and presuming Lee Adama is meant to be in his late 20s/early 30s, well after his birth).
*It is stated in "Scattered" that Adama still aspires to command of his own battlestar - he only achieved it during his second stint in the Colonial Fleet, with the help of Anne's father.
*This report, however, seems to indicate that William and Caroline were still together when Adama received his first command, and makes no mention of Anne.
*In a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] featured prominently in several episodes, a William Adama much younger than the one seen in "Scattered" is featured with Lee and Zak, who are already preteens. This means that the "new wife" referred to in "Scattered" cannot be their mother under a different name.
Possible solutions:
*"Scattered" only stated that Adama had not yet commanded a battlestar - it is possible that the command assignment which caused his rift with Caroline (before his furlough, and the events of "Scattered") was a smaller ship.
*In "The Passage", Adama refers to Zak's mother as Carol-Anne, suggesting that they could be one and the same. The more detailed timeline glimpsed in "Hero" allows for Adama to have met Lee's mother in time to still be a young fighter pilot by the time Lee was in late childhood.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:51, 18 January 2007 (CST)
:I'm pretty sure Adama called her Caroline (her name) and not Carol-Anne. --[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 25 January 2007.
::She's pretty clearly called Carolanne in this episode, adding weight to the idea that Adama was only married once (as does the theory put forth in the episode that admitting he and Carolanne were wrong for each other would call his other decisions into question, as remarrying would qualify as an admission that they were wrong for each other). The reason he looks older in Scattered than in the picture is that was played by EJO for those scenes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 10:17, 19 February 2007 (CST)

:::I'm hearing "Carol-Anne" also, especially in the bonus podcast. Shame about the continuity problem of the way Adama looks. [[User:Amos frans|Amos frans]] 18:38, 20 February 2007 (CST)

:Considering the information from Adama's bio that was provided to the Pressident when she first came aboard Galactica, it's likely that Adama's first command (as mentioned above) isn't that of a ship--but instead of a viper squadron. That might even explain the photo of Lee and Zak and their father infront of the Viper--taken when Adama received command of Primus Squadron? In the modern US Navy, Carrier commanders must have been naval aviators and commanded a squadron prior to receiving a carrier CO slot--the Colonials may not be that different, considering a Battlestar is esentially a giant carrier in space. --[[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 14:46, 19 November 2006 (CST)
::Good point there, that is always a possibility. Actually, in the USN, only one of the two top commanders (CO or XO) on carriers and Amphibious Assault Ships like the Wasp needs to have been an aviator. It's rare but there have been surface warfare officers commanding carriers. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:30, 19 November 2006 (CST)

==Image==

Can we change the pic to one of them from here? http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a5yrp --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 12:02, 18 January 2007 (CST)
:Of course. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:35, 18 January 2007 (CST)
:I suggest the one with Adama and Wife. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:40, 18 January 2007 (CST)
::I also like that one. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:52, 18 January 2007 (CST)
:::Added [[User:Jxh487|Jxh487]] 17:23, 18 January 2007 (CST)
::::But why adding in such large resolution? -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:38, 18 January 2007 (CST)
:::::I've re-uploaded using the original file. Not a resize. the reason is because the height is too large. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:36, 18 January 2007 (CST)

== Character Spoiler Hint ==

I'm going to mask this text to keep from spoiling out of courtesy, although talk pages are generally not required to have spoilers masked. (Be sure to mask out your responses to this if you use character names or you'll spoil the possible surprise.)

This link [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a5yrp (click here)] from the venerable promo shot web site (I'd like to know their source) shows [[Cally Tyrol]] and her husband in some incident where respirators are needed. A later shot shows Cally in what appears to be a hyperbaric chamber, with Tyrol holding his infant son by the chamber. Is Cally, sadly, fated to die in this episode? It would fit the family unit images of Adama and his first wife and the problems they had, and parallels what may befall the new father Tyrol. Remember to be courteous and try not to use the character's names in any replies unless you use {{tl|spoiltext}} to mask them out.
--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:18, 1 February 2007 (CST)

:Oh, I think I'm going to be wrong. The promo pics from a later episode appear to say nada to my thought. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:05, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Predictions! ==

I'm back yet again with more skull-shatteringly accurate episode predictions! It's gonna be a busy episode, full of chills and thrills! I'll dive right in:
*Tigh and Bill engage in mutual ball-busting over their obsessions with their dead wives.
:*Saul/Bill OTP ensues.
*Apollo whines about stuff.
*Tyrol and Cally resolve their recent differences.
*Tyrol and Cally die.
*Sharon cheats on Helo.
:*With Caprica Six.
*Helo cheats on Sharon.
::*With ''Mrs. King''.
*Gaeta says something bitter.
*Gaeta dies.
*Galvatron arrives on ''Colonial One'' with an interesting offer for Zarek: If Zarek will help him obtain the Adamabot Matrix of Leadership, Galvatron will make him his second-in-command.
*Phantom Baltar and Phantom Six get it on. Violently.
*The SuicideGirls join the regular cast as a squad of hot new Viper jocks. Apparently, piercings ''don't'' get ripped away by intense G-forces.
As always, you can place your bets (in cubits, please) on [[User_talk:Slander|my]] or [[User_talk:BklynBruzer|Bruzer's]] User Talk pages. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 14:56, 15 February 2007 (CST)

:Oh, and I thought you didn't add Galvatron to the prediction at first. I was worried. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:06, 15 February 2007 (CST)

::Everyone knows that piercings help hold everything together in intense G-force situations. If the <s>[[Wikipedia:SuicideGirls|suicide girls]]</s> [[Number Three|suicide girls]] get thawed out and defect to the fleet, I'm guessing that <s>[[Wikipedia:Simon Tam|Simon]]</s> [[Simon]]'s going to be responsible. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 19:18, 15 February 2007 (CST)

:::Wow. William and Caroline Adama are Cylons. And I didn't think they could pull off Galvatron in CGI, but they did it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:22, 18 February 2007 (CST)

==Explosive Decompression==

The current entry says it's only possible to survive for 10-20 seconds in a vacuum, but I found a website with very good sources that indicates it is in fact possible to survive for up to two minutes. Granted, there have been very few cases of human exposure, but the ones that have occured seem to indicate that you could survive for as long as the Tyrols did. You would, however, lose consciousness after only 10-15 seconds.
The URL is: http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.html

--[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 23:22, 19 February 2007 (CST)
:At least their eyeballs didn't explode, like Jack Noseworthy in ''Event Horizon.'' --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 13:13, 23 February 2007 (CST)

:That's actually the site I read too a while ago. But I misremembered some of the facts. Thanks of the correction. The depiction in BSG was fairly accurate. Note that the time spent in real vacuum wasn't very long at all. They still had an atmosphere to breath before they blew the outer door, and they wore oxygen masks. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:26, 23 February 2007 (CST)

I don't understand why Cali has to be in a hyperbaric chamber. The analogy they are trying to make is that decompression is like nitrogen narcosis, or "the bends," which happens when you go from deep water depth to the surface too fast. Cali and the Chief went from room pressure to space, so shouldn't getting Cali back to room pressure be enough? (i.e., room pressure is the same as "the deep" in this analogy.)--[[User:Tofupup|Tofupup]] 21:36, 25 February 2007 (CST)

I'm pretty sure that the site I was looking at said that nitrogen narcosis can also result from decompression. [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 01:15, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Bonus Scene Comments ==

I thought the bonus scene was very appropriate and should have been part of the aired episode. It was a great belly laugh amidst all the angst. Dualla's "eww!" expression was quite amusing, and Gaeta continues to break out of his shell when we get to see him in conversation. I only hope the whole Roslin/Adama thing does not become a [[w:Jump the shark|shark jumping]] moment for the show; there are more important things to play with, despite my happiness of exploring it a bit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:56, 20 February 2007 (CST)
:Well it was about time they played that scene, since the tension has been there for a long time, especially since [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 10:50, 20 February 2007 (CST)

== A couple of errors ==

I believe this is how I'm supposed to do this kind of thing... This is my first time working on a wiki, so forgive me for any mistakes, but there are actually a couple of errors for this episode.

In the Act 2 summary, Cally doesn't actually say "Susan Deckler." She says "Susan Seklir," which is a reference to Andy Seklir, one of the editors on the show. It's kinda hard to hear because of how Nikki delivers the dialogue. I guess usually this would be a minor edit, but because of the link involved, I'm kinda leery of changing it since my wikiskills are nonexistent.

In the Notes, there's no reference to the movie ''Kinsey'', as far as I know. Adama does not say "Neeson." He says "Leeson," which doesn't mean anything, but "Kinsey" is "Kinzy," which is actually a reference to Tim Kinzy, one of the assistant editors on the show. So I would change the Kinsey reference to one referring to Tim. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 13:39, 30 November 2007 (CST)

:I can confirm that. No idea how people got those names. They are rather clearly, except for the exact spelling. We actually have an article [[Andrew Seklir]] and [[Leeson]] is used elsewhere too. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:56, 30 November 2007 (CST)
:Nice catch by the way! --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 14:01, 30 November 2007 (CST)
::Thanks! Although, it is part of my job ;). We were kinda laughing about this one in the office. Overall, though, we find the wiki a very comprehensive and useful resource, so thank you for creating and maintaining it. Most of the errors I've seen have been minor, and I might try my hand at fixing them as I come across them. I do want to add a fun trivia note involving this episode. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 15:37, 30 November 2007 (CST)

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Mmm...toasty: New section: A couple of errors