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<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Character Data<br /> |photo=4x06 - Faith - Promo 1.jpg<br /> |seen= Six of One<br /> |death=Dies from gunshot wound inflicted by [[Sharon Agathon]] ([[Sine Qua Non]])<br /> |role= Advocate of the search for the Final Five, leader of Cylon rebel faction<br /> |actor= [[Tricia Helfer]]<br /> |cylon= y<br /> |name= Natalie<br /> }} <br /> <br /> '''Natalie''' is a [[Number Six]] copy who leads a rebel faction advocating the search for the [[Final Five]] Cylons, believing that they have answers about the Cylons' origins and their place in the universe. <br /> <br /> After the [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] abort the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]] Natalie, a [[Number Two]] and a [[Number Eight]] approach [[Number One|Cavil]] with the suggestion, that the Final Five are with the humans in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|refugee fleet]]. This is fully declined by Cavil. He suggests that only the Raiders are a problem, because they extended their original programming and now violate their orders to fight the refugee fleet. <br /> <br /> The faction led by Natalie loses a majority vote to prevent dumbing down the Raiders by removing some of their free will through a surgical procedure. Natalie is further dismayed that [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] voted against her model to side with Cavil, thus further endangering the tenuous balance of the Cylon decision making process. <br /> <br /> After a last attempt to stop the Raiders' lobotomization, she orders two [[Centurion (RDM)|Centurions]] into the conference room and reports to the attendant Number One, [[Number Four]] and [[Number Five]] copies that her faction removed the [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, which prevent the Centurions from using their higher cognitive functions. The Centurions open fire and kill everyone supporting Number One ([[Six of One]]). <br /> <br /> Natalie and two Number Eights meet with the resurrected Cavil to discuss the terms of ending the conflict. Cavil agrees to stop lobotomizing Raiders and to air Natalie's proposal to unbox the [[Number Three|Number Three]] line before his compatriots. Later, Cavil informs Natalie's faction that their terms have been agreed to, and the fleet will jump to the nearest server to learn what the resurrected Threes know about the Final Five. This turns out to be a trap. The [[Resurrection Ship|Resurrection Ship]] does not jump to the rendezvous point, and Cavil's baseships open fire on Natalie's fleet, inflicting heavy damage ([[The Ties That Bind]]), with Natalie's basestar being the only surviving ship from this engagement, however the ship's [[FTL]] drive is damaged beyond repair (&quot;[[The Road Less Traveled]]&quot;, &quot;[[Faith]]&quot;). <br /> <br /> When Conoy returns with [[Kara Thrace]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Jean Barolay]], Natalie is reluctant to take Thrace to the [[Hybrid]], but ultimately agrees as they need the Colonials' help. When a Six—who had been drowned by Barolay on [[New Caprica]] and suffered resulting emotional trauma, despite aid from Natalie after the Six's resurrection—kills Barolay, Natalie kills the Six to appease the Colonials need for &quot;justice&quot;, thus defusing a potentially explosive situation; the Six herself cannot resurrect, as the Resurrection Ship is still out of range. <br /> <br /> Later, Natalie overhears the [[Hybrid utterances#Dying Hybrid|Hybrid's message]] to Thrace and she is further convinced that the Threes must be unboxed, for the Hybrid claims that she alone knows the faces of the Final Five. After helping comfort a mortally wounded Eight, she leaves the Hybrid chamber to execute the jump, thus allowing her basestar to meet up with the ''Demetrius'' ([[Faith]]). <br /> <br /> Upon returning to the Fleet with the ''Demetrius'', she speaks with Admiral Adama and President Roslin to explain the events and goals of the Cylon rebellion and to garner support by the Colonials to find the Final Five. She also reveals information about the Cylon [[Resurrection Hub]] and its significance, as well as the reason for the withdrawal at the [[Ionian nebula]]. Afterward, she returns to the her basestar and expresses her fear that the humans will not allow them to have the Final Five and go their own way to a Two and an Eight and proposes that they take hostage as insurance after destroying the hub. <br /> <br /> After speaking to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] to assuage their fears about the alliance, she reflects on her experience on ''[[Colonial One]]'' and feels remorse for their deception to the humans, compelled to tell the humans the truth to rectify the situation. The other Cylons protest and send her to speak with Adama to stall for time as the Two works to stop the Centurions from taking hostages as planned. When she arrives on ''Galactica'', she encounters [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] in a corridor. Sharon Agathon, distressed over the [[Opera House Prophecy|visions]] she has been having and Hera's recent obsession with the Sixes, shoots Natalie out of fear that she will take her child away ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]). <br /> <br /> She is taken to ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s infirmary where Doctor [[Cottle]] tries to save her life. During that time, she [[projection|projects]] herself into a sunny forest. However, she succumbs to her wounds and dies with Cottle holding her hand. Her last sight is of Cottle's masked face fading into white. With no Resurrection Ship nearby and the Resurrection Hub destroyed soon after, her death was permanent ([[Sine Qua Non]]).<br /> <br /> A couple of weeks later, a couple of Cylons visit the [[Memorial hallway]] aboard Galactica, and an image of Natalie can be seen among several other images of fallen Cylons.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> <br /> *The name &quot;Natalie&quot; stems from the Latin ''natalis'' (birthday), which could be a hint that she plays a significant role in the evolution of the Cylon culture. <br /> *Similar to [[Gina|Gina]] prior to &quot;[[Razor|Razor]]&quot;, Natalie was first named in interviews. On screen her name is only mentioned after in the episode &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot;, after her death.<br /> *Exactly why she carries the name Natalie has yet to be revealed. In the past, names given to humanoid Cylons have been used in infiltration missions (i.e. Gina, [[Cavil]], etc.), which suggests this Six must have been involved in such an endeavour and used the name Natalie.<br /> <br /> {{Dead Characters}} <br /> <br /> [[Category:A_to_Z]] [[Category:Characters]] [[Category:Characters_(RDM)]] [[Category:Cylons]] [[Category:Cylons_(RDM)]] [[Category:RDM]] [[Category:Deceased_Characters_(RDM)]] [[ms:Natalie]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Opera_House_Prophecy/Archive_1&diff=179254 2009-04-23T06:03:31Z

<p>Mishakal: Created page with &#039;I followed a link to this entry that didn&#039;t have any tags or categories so I&#039;ve revamped the article some, added links, categories, etc. I think that the Opera House Visions are ...&#039;</p> <hr /> <div>I followed a link to this entry that didn't have any tags or categories so I've revamped the article some, added links, categories, etc. I think that the Opera House Visions are significant enough to warrant a seperate article complete with analysis. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 06:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sharon_Agathon&diff=179252 2009-04-23T06:01:43Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Strange visions and the search for Earth */</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article concerns the second [[Number Eight]] Cylon who falls in love with [[Helo]], is commissioned a Colonial officer with the callsign of &quot;Athena&quot;, and from whom all modern (real-world) humans decend.'' <br /> :''For information on the &quot;sleeper agent&quot; with the callsign of &quot;Boomer&quot;, see [[Sharon Valerii]].''<br /> :''For information on the [[Original Series]] character with a similar name, see [[Athena (TOS)]].''<br /> {{Character Data<br /> |photo=Sharon Agathon.jpg<br /> |age=<br /> |colony=<br /> |birthname= <br /> |death=Presumably in or near Tanzania, c. 148,000 BCE<br /> |servicen=<br /> |callsign= Athena<br /> |seen= 33<br /> |parents=None (some Number Eights view [[Saul Tigh]] as their father)<br /> |siblings=<br /> |children= [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] (Human-Cylon hybrid);&lt;br&gt;all modern humans are her descendants through Hera<br /> |marital status= Married to [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> |role= Raptor pilot assigned to battlestar ''Galactica''<br /> |rank= Junior Lieutenant<br /> |serial= 312743&lt;ref&gt;This number was confirmed by the studios to QMX, who produces dogtags based off the show. It is the same number as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], suggesting that she was not assigned another serial number to distinguish herself from &quot;Boomer&quot;.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> |actor= [[Grace Park]]<br /> |cylon= y<br /> |name= Sharon Agathon<br /> }}<br /> The [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] known as '''Sharon &quot;Athena&quot; Agathon''' (by the start of [[season 3]]) is a [[Number Eight]] [[humanoid Cylon]] copy.<br /> <br /> She is first encountered by [[Karl Agathon|Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]], when he is stranded on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Initially assigned to seduce him by impersonating Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], as part of a Cylon cross-breeding experiment, she turns against her people and helps him escape the planet. Pregnant with Helo's child, Helo is shocked by her true nature but ultimately accepts her lovingly as the mother of his child.<br /> <br /> Once on ''[[Galactica]]'', she is imprisoned and long seen as a mere object. She frequently provides intelligence, but is severely mistreated by an interrogator from ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' who beats and sexually assaults her. Over time, she earns Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] trust by helping the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] escape peril several times, and she is eventually appointed as a Colonial Officer and marries Karl Agathon. Agathon gives birth on ''Galactica'', but her daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]], is subsequently hidden from her, because President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] considers the baby a threat to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Agathon believes Hera to be dead for more than a year, but after learning the truth about her child during a confrontation with Valerii, she is able to regain her daughter from the Cylons with the help of [[Caprica-Six]].<br /> <br /> == Biography ==<br /> === Cylon cross-breeding experiment on Caprica === <br /> Sharon is a [[Number Eight]] model first seen on [[Caprica]] shortly after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] decide to use her in an elaborate experiment focused on [[Karl Agathon|Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]] who is stranded on the planet. She is an identical copy of Helo's friend and colleague Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]] and the Cylons hope to explore the possibilities of Cylon-human procreation by getting Helo to fall in love with her ([[The Farm]]). Sharon appears to Helo to rescue him after he is captured by a [[Number Six|Six]] and several [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]]. Unaware that Cylons have developed human models, Helo believes her to be Sharon Valerii from ''Galactica'', returning to rescue him ([[33]]). Following this staged rescue, she leads Helo to a Raptor, now surrounded by Cylon Centurions, and convinces him that they have no direct way off the planet ([[Water]]). Sharon is able to impersonate Lieutenant Valerii convincingly, since she has accessed Valerii's memories at least up until the point of Helo being left behind on Caprica ([[Flesh and Bone]], [[Scattered]], [[Home, Part II]], [[Flight of the Phoenix]], [[Scar]]).<br /> <br /> After receiving a feigned Colonial signal on a radio receiver they carry, Sharon leads Helo to a city where they find a fully-equipped fallout shelter in which two people can live in reasonable security, hidden from above-ground Cylon operations, and with sufficient supplies to last a considerable period of time ([[Act of Contrition]]). The purpose in establishing this retreat is to elicit an emotional response in Helo towards his Cylon companion. When this fails and Helo continues to seek a way off Caprica, the Cylons lead him to believe that Sharon has been captured, concluding that if Helo does not seek to rescue her, the experiment has failed and he must be killed ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). <br /> <br /> Helo does undertake a successful rescue attempt and shortly after, the two of them have sex for the first time in a nearby forest. Helo had always been fond of the original Valerii on ''Galactica'', but his affection for her was stilled by her relationship with Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Pleased with the progress, the Cylons set up a new hideout, a cabin in the woods, and Sharon is instructed to lead him there and have him stay with her – or kill him, if he attempts to leave ([[Flesh and Bone]]). But she begins to question the Cylons' overall goal. Realizing that she has herself fallen in love with Helo, Sharon disobeys her instructions and leads Helo to [[Delphi]], where they hope to steal a vehicle and get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]). On their way to Delphi, she shows signs of being pregnant, succumbing to a bout of morning sickness ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]) and developing a ravenous appetite ([[Colonial Day]]).<br /> <br /> ===Revelation of her true identity and arrival at the Fleet ===<br /> [[Image:Boomerhelokara.jpg|235px|left|[[Helo]] attempts to stop Lt. [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] from shooting Sharon, in the [[Delphi Museum]].|thumb]]<br /> On reaching Delphi, Sharon and Helo break into the Cylon facilities to gain access to the spaceport. But as Helo encounters yet another [[Number Eight]] model, he draws the initial conclusion that Sharon is a human clone created by the Cylons and goes on the run alone ([[Colonial Day]]). When Sharon catches up with him, she tried to calm him down and eventually challenges him to shoot her, after he tells her to stay away ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Helo can only bring himself to wound her, and he takes Sharon with him to use her in some way to get off Caprica. While Helo keeps her at gunpoint, Sharon leads him to the [[Delphi Museum]]. Waiting out a storm in a nearby ruined building, she explains to him that she is “Sharon”, not a mere clone or a copy, and that she is as real as [[Sharon Valerii]] on ''Galactica''. She also tells him that her love for him is real and that she is pregnant with his child.<br /> <br /> When Sharon and Helo come across Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] who has landed near the museum to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]], Thrace realizes on-sight that Sharon is a Cylon (having left Valerii behind on ''Galactica'') and she attempts to shoot her. Helo stops Thrace and reveals to her that Sharon is pregnant with his child ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Thrace also wrongly concludes that she must be a Cylon copy of the real Valerii on ''Galactica''; Sharon's attempts to explain her identity to her are unsuccessful. While Thrace and Helo argue over her, Sharon escapes in Thrace's [[Cylon Raider]] to save herself and the life of her unborn child ([[Scattered]]). <br /> <br /> Several days later, Sharon returns to Helo who is now with a human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance movement]] that has formed on Caprica. She offers her help in finding Thrace who was abducted during a Cylon ambush ([[The Farm]]). Thrace manages to escape to the outside of the hospital where she was imprisoned and Sharon arrives at the rescue scene in a stolen Cylon [[Heavy Raider]], destroying several [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] that attack the Resistance rescue party. Following the successful rescue, Sharon accompanies Helo and Thrace on their way back to the human [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] in the Heavy Raider. <br /> <br /> When they arrive at the Fleet and Sharon walks aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', Captain [[Lee Adama]] reacts violently. The son of Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] who was shot by the Cylon &quot;sleeper&quot; agent Valerii grabs her and places his gun to her head. Helo draws his sidearm against Adama, forcing a standoff. President [[Laura Roslin]] urges both men to withdraw their weapons, but then immediately orders Sharon to be ejected out an airlock. Sharon tells Roslin she knows the location of the [[Tomb of Athena]], an ancient place Roslin is trying to find, and she reconsiders, placing Sharon in the brig. Roslin later explains that she suspects Sharon is willing to cooperate, because she wants to protect Helo and her unborn child, something Roslin interprets as a mothering instinct.<br /> <br /> === Guide on Kobol ===<br /> [[image:sharonhome.jpg|235px|Sharon on Kobol, with [[Helo]], Priestess [[Elosha]] and President [[Roslin]].|thumb]]<br /> Sharon accompanies [[Laura Roslin|Roslin's]] party to [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. She recites specific passages of the [[Tomb of Athena]] in the scriptures of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] and plots the group's path on the planet. On their way they are ambushed by [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] who open fire. As the others take cover and return fire, Sharon vaults away, with Captain [[Lee Adama|Adama]] in pursuit, believing she is trying to escape. Sharon picks up a grenade launcher lying ahead, and as Adama thinks she is about to shoot him, she aims for the remaining Centurion and destroys it ([[Home, Part I]]). At camp, Adama voices suspicions about Helo who still loves Sharon, despite his awareness of her true nature as a Cylon. During the trek, Sharon casually tells Helo that their child is a girl. <br /> <br /> Shortly after, Commander [[William Adama|Adama’s]] search party arrives at Roslin's camp. When Adama sees Sharon who exactly resembles the Cylon who shot him, he immediately tries to choke her to death. He is forced to release her, after Sharon touches his fresh wound, leaving him with severe chest pain. During their struggle, Sharon enigmatically references what Adama said over [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon Valerii’s]] dead body, saying “and you asked why” aloud.<br /> <br /> Later, one of [[Tom Zarek|Tom Zarek's]] followers, [[Meier]], tries to convince Sharon to help him kill both Adamas, as part of a plan to gain control of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Sharon initially believed that Sharon Valerii was being held in the [[brig]], but Meier informs her that she was killed. She expresses her outrage to Helo that [[Cally]] received only a minor punishment for this murder. Sharon deduces that the Colonials do not see humanoid Cylons as people and that she must take matters into her own hands to prove her trustworthiness. Sharon appears to take up Meier's proposal to kill both Commander Adama and Captain Adama, but as Meier draws his weapon, she kills him instead, saving the lives of both Adamas. She announces to Commander Adama that she is not the same Cylon who shot him, and that she has no hidden protocols waiting to be activated; she makes her own choices. She then surrenders her weapon to Adama and successfully leads them to the Tomb of Athena.<br /> <br /> === Cooperation with the human Fleet ===<br /> [[Image:Valerii_virus.jpg|thumb|170px|left|Sharon connected to ''Galactica's'' main [[Computers|computer]].]]<br /> Sharon is brought aboard ''Galactica'' and imprisoned in a new reinforced cell that was originally designed to incarcerate [[Sharon Valerii]]. The virtual [[Number Six]] tells Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] that Sharon's baby will be born in that cell and that the child belongs to Baltar and her ([[Home, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> During her imprisonment, Sharon nearly has a miscarriage, and is brought to [[sickbay]] where Dr. [[Cottle]] succeeds in saving the fetus. A [[Number Three]] model who poses as the reporter [[D'anna Biers]] in the [[Fleet News Service]], stumbles upon Sharon while filming a documentary on board ''Galactica'' and she manages to send footage of Sharon back to Caprica. The Cylons are surprised, yet overjoyed, that Sharon is still alive. They are concerned that her hybrid child survives; saying that it must be protected at all costs ([[Final Cut]]).<br /> <br /> When ''Galactica'' experiences mysterious computer failures and system malfunctions from a mutated version of a Cylon virus, Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] orders Helo to show the incarcerated Sharon the strange Cylon code. Sharon identifies it as a virulent [[logic bomb]] that will take control of the ship and kill off the crew without her help. Reluctantly, on advice from President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], Adama brings Sharon to [[CIC]], where she cuts her arm open and [[Cylon data port|connects herself to a fiber optic data line]] to communicate with ''Galactica's'' mainframe [[Computers|computer]]. On accessing the computer, she takes into her a portion of the logic bomb code, and then instructs Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to wipe the system's hard drives to erase all Cylon virus traces. As the crew restarts the ship’s computers, a massive Cylon fighter force jumps into range, leaving ''Galactica'' defenseless. Sharon makes adjustments to the code and transmits the altered virus from ''Galactica'' to the Cylons, [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|disabling]] the entire fleet of Cylon fighters ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).<br /> <br /> === Interrogation and abuse ===<br /> [[image:Pegasus-Thorne_Boomer.jpg|235px|Sharon is beaten and sexually assaulted during an interrogation by Lt. [[Alastair Thorne|Thorne]].|thumb]]<br /> After ''Galactica'' reunites with battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] sends Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] to inspect the incarcerated Sharon. He beats and sexually assaults her with the help of several of his guards. Helo and Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] find out about Thorne and what was done to his previous [[Gina|prisoner]], and they arrive in time to stop him, but Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Both Tyrol and Helo are arrested by the ''Pegasus'' guards and taken to Admiral Cain's battlestar, where Cain hastily convenes courts-martial for them, sentencing both to death ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). <br /> <br /> Sharon's attempted rape results in a hairline fracture in one of her ribs and minor bruising. Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] who has reached a détente with Admiral Cain over Helo and Tyrol's execution personally apologizes to Sharon over the incident; this is also the first time that Adama refers to Sharon as &quot;her,&quot; instead of &quot;it.&quot; Later, Adama asks to speak with her in private, questioning her why the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] hate humanity. She responds by reminding him of a speech he gave before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attacks]], in which he suggested that humanity is a flawed creation, and she implies that therefore humanity might not deserve to survive. Sharon is later reunited with Helo and Tyrol when the two are released after Cain's death, as Adama resumes full command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> Weeks later, President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], on her deathbed, orders that Sharon's fetus be aborted, fearing the baby might be dangerous for the Fleet. On hearing this news, Sharon is enraged, having cooperated fully to aid the Fleet to save herself and her child, and to show that not all Cylons are dangerous. Marines are sent to take her to [[sickbay]] to forcibly perform the abortion procedure. At the last minute, Dr. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] learns that the fetal blood of Sharon's baby has the ability to destroy cancer cells. He takes a small blood sample and injects it into the dying Roslin; moments later, her cancer disappears. The abortion procedure is cancelled ([[Epiphanies]]).<br /> <br /> Despite her mistreatment, Sharon continues to support the Fleet and provides intelligence. She helps Captain [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] to understand the behavior of [[Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] ([[Scar]]), and frequently assists Admiral Adama to plot the Fleet's course in order to avoid Cylon confrontation. Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] remains extremely skeptical of her increased involvement ([[Sacrifice]]).<br /> <br /> ===Birth of her daughter Hera===<br /> [[Image:Sharondownloaded.jpg|170px|thumb|left|[[Helo]] comforts Sharon, as Dr. [[Cottle]] start to perform an emergency birth procedure.]]<br /> When Sharon begins to bleed due to a detached placenta, Dr. [[Cottle]] performs an emergency birth procedure to save both her and the baby's life. Sharon and Helo name the baby girl [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]. After her parents believe Hera is out of danger, the baby apparently dies due to her underdeveloped lungs and Dr. Cottle's failure to intubate her in time. Sharon, suspecting her child was killed deliberately, nearly strangles Dr. Cottle before being subdued, and she subsequently falls into a deep depression. <br /> <br /> However, unbeknownst to Sharon and Helo, Hera is still alive. President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] who still considers the child a danger for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] had Sharon's baby switched with the body of a dead child and, with the help of Dr. Cottle and her aide [[Tory Foster]], places Hera in the care of [[Maya]], a foster mother. Maya is told a cover story that disguises Hera's true identity ([[Downloaded]]). Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] is not informed of Roslin's plan ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br /> <br /> Sharon's depression over losing her child worsens and Helo convinces her to aid in the rescue of [[Samuel Anders]] and other survivors on [[Caprica]], in part to try and draw her out of her depression. Sharon's knowledge of Cylon [[FTL]] technology makes the rescue possible. She acts as a conduit between the Colonial Raptors and the far more advanced FTL computer salvaged from the Cylon Heavy Raider she once brought back to ''Galactica'' ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> On Caprica, Captain [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] demonstrates a new level of trust for Sharon by handing her a gun during a firefight with ambushing [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]]. Later, Sharon is as perplexed as everyone else when the Cylons disengage and apparently leave the planet. She is aware, however, that [[Cavil]], a man who approaches the group and loudly proclaims the end of the occupation to be a miracle, is a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]. On ''Galactica'', Cavil is exposed by Chief [[Tyrol]], and Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] sends Sharon back to the brig. When asked by a distraught Helo why she did not mention that Cavil is Cylon, she replies &quot;They killed my baby. Do you think I care about you, or us, or whether or not Adama trusts me anymore?&quot; Sharon withdraws further, shutting Helo out completely ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Officer of the Colonial Fleet===<br /> [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - C-Number Eight, Adama, Helo.jpg|235px|Sharon Agathon is commissioned as a Colonial Officer.|thumb]]<br /> More than a year later, and four months after ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus's'' retreat from [[New Caprica]], Sharon Agathon is now married to Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon. In the year that has passed, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] has taken Sharon into his confidence and she seems to have become his advisor of sorts having apparently fully gained his trust. The two periodically sit down to tea; her cell now has a couch, a table, and other amenities ([[Occupation]]). Thanks to her giving him his confidence back, Adama decides to forgive himself for leaving most of the Fleet behind and go ahead with the rescue mission. As part of the plan Adama commissions Agathon into the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] as a lieutenant (junior grade). When she asks how he knows if she won't betray him, he simply replies he doesn't, but &quot;that's what trust is.&quot; On her first mission, Agathon leads an insertion force that will serve as a liaison between the [[New Caprica Resistance]] and ''Galactica'' during the extraction of the population. She commands two Raptors in an intra-atmosphere jump and links up with [[Samuel Anders]] and his squad at the [[Breeders Canyon]] ([[Precipice]]).<br /> <br /> On the following day, Agathon covertly enters the Cylon [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]] to recover the [[launch key|launch keys]] for the grounded Colonial ships, bypassing human and Centurion guards that cannot distinguish Agathon from other Eights. After interfacing with a [[Datastream|data terminal]] and obtaining the keys, a [[Number Three]] enters the room and challenges her loyalty. The Three tells her that Hera is still alive, but Agathon rejects the notion saying that Adama wouldn't lie to her (he didn't: he didn't know the truth), shoots the Three in each leg to slow her eventual report back to other Cylons. When she hands over the launch keys to Chief [[Tyrol]], she asks him if he had actually seen Hera's ashes, which he affirms ([[Exodus, Part I]]). <br /> <br /> Following the [[Battle of New Caprica]], the Agathons and many other pilots eat in the mess hall. After [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] addresses Agathon as &quot;Boomer,&quot; Helo asks the crew for suggestions for a more appropriate callsign. A number of humorous and affectionate responses, including &quot;Chrome-dome&quot; and &quot;The Raptor Adaptor&quot; arise, reflecting Agathon's grown trust and comfort amongst the human crew, but Helo opts for [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]]'s suggestion, &quot;Athena&quot; ([[Torn]]).<br /> <br /> Agathon undertakes a solo recon mission through a high radiation cluster to look for a planet with suitable material to replenish the Fleet's lost food supplies. Agathon's Cylon physiology withstands radiation levels that would have killed a human, although not without some discomfort. The successful mission confirms the foodstuffs on [[algae planet|a planet with algae]] and gives needed data to safely attempt the guide the Fleet ([[The Passage]]).<br /> <br /> === Reunion with her child ===<br /> During a stand-off at the [[Algae planet]], a Cylon delegation boards ''Galactica'' to negotiate for the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. Agathon, near the conference area, instantly identifies the Eight from the baseship delegation as Boomer. [[Sharon Valerii|Valerii]] tells Agathon that her daughter, Hera, is still alive and also notes President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin's]] involvement in her daughter's disappearance. After confirming the matter with Roslin, Admiral Adama informs Agathon that Hera's death was indeed fabricated without his knowledge. Agathon angrily demands to see her child ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br /> <br /> Agathon convinces Helo that the only way to rescue Hera is for her to [[download]] to the Cylon fleet and infiltrate the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] where Hera is kept. Reluctantly, Helo agrees to shoot her and Agathon is subsequently downloaded into a new body and resurrected on the nearby [[Resurrection Ship|resurrection ship]] where she is greeted by [[Caprica-Six]] upon rebirth. Agathon pretends that she wants to stay with the Cylons and Caprica-Six leads her to Hera as Caprica-Six is apparently at least somewhat sympathetic to her. Her daughter is ill and apparently rejecting Valerii who has been taking care of the child on board the Cylon vessel. Following Agathon's demand that Hera needs to see a human doctor, Valerii threatens to kill Hera, but Caprica-Six intervenes and kills Valerii instead. Accompanied by Caprica-Six, Agathon and her daughter leave the basetar in a captured Raptor and return to ''Galactica'' ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> ===Strange visions and the search for Earth===<br /> <br /> Several weeks later Agathon is assigned to fly Major [[Adama]] and [[Gaius Baltar]]'s new defense attorney [[Romo Lampkin]] to ''[[Colonial One]]'' to retrieve documents needed for the up-coming trial. Before take off, a remote-detonation bomb attached to the Raptor is fortuitously discovered. [[Cally Tyrol]] brings up Agathon's name and indirectly asserts she is the the unknown bomber. When confronted by Agathon, Tyrol denies making such an accusation, though Agathon goes on to note how she did not accuse her despite equal circumstantial evidence implicating her. Agathon points out Tyrol's deep hatred for all Cylons and hands over her sidearm, challenging Tyrol to shoot her. When she fails to pull the trigger, Agathon grabs the gun back and threatens to kill Tyrol if it is discovered she was responsible for the bomb on her ship. It is later revealed that the explosive was the work of fellow ''Galactica'' officer Captain [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] and was designed to kill Lampkin ([[The Son Also Rises]]). During the time of Baltar's trial, Agathon is experiencing [[Opera House Prophecy|mysterious dreams]] of President Roslin, Caprica-Six and her child Hera in the Kobol [[Opera House]]. She later finds out that both Roslin and Caprica-Six deal with the same dreams, but their meaning remains unclear at first ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> Along with her husband, Agathon is among the crew of the ''[[Demetrius]]'' ([[The Ties That Bind]]). 58 days into their mission to find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], Sharon Agathon and others show concern that Thrace cannot be trusted, and that they have to meet up with the Fleet for refueling ([[The Road Less Traveled]]). She physically restrains Thrace to prevent her from executing an FTL jump to a Cylon fleet. When Thrace decides to take a Raptor instead, Agathon accompanies her. On the basestar she meets other Eights who ask her to lead a mutiny against [[Natalie]], but Agathon is disgusted at their lack of conviction, saying that they have to stick with the side they chose ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> After they return with the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]], Agathon has another vision of the Opera House. She wakes up to see her daughter standing next to her bed and finds out that she has filled an entire scrapbook with drawings of a blond woman and the number &quot;six&quot;. Shocked at the drawings, she notices that Hera has left the room and runs out into the hallways. Her search for Hera on ''Galactica'' parallels the Opera House visions. At the same time Natalie is escorted to a meeting with Admiral Adama and she and her guards run right into Hera. Fascinated, Natalie kneels down to be close to the child. When Agathon catches up to them, she draws her sidearm and tells Natalie to back off. Then, after ensuring that Hera is taken to safety, Agathon shoots Natalie, fearing that she would take her daughter from her, like the Six in the vision ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]). <br /> <br /> After the shooting she is taken to see Admiral Adama who demands an explanation from her. She describes the vision to Adama who finds the explanation from her inadequate and decides to send her to the [[brig]]. She requests to keep her child, but Adama declines, believing that the brig is no place for a child. After Adama goes through his own emotional turmoil and making questionable decisions vis a vis the abduction of President Roslin and many of his pilots by the rebel Cylons, he instructs Colonel Tigh to give her Hera back despite her being imprisoned ([[Sine Qua Non]]). She is later released from the brig to assist with a rescue plan during a hostage situation aboard the Cylon rebel baseship.<br /> <br /> When the [[Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] finally arrives at [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], she is with her family in her quarters. She and her husband are among the first team to land on the planet, but, to their despair, only discover a destroyed city ([[Revelations]]).<br /> <br /> Athena is incarcerated in the Cylon brig with her husband, her daughter, Caprica-Six, Tigh, and Anders during [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]], and is released by Starbuck and Apollo to help put down the rebellion ([[The Oath]], [[Blood on the Scales]]). After Boomer returns and escapes imprisonment, she assaults Athena and steals her uniform to impersonate her and abduct Hera ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). Even after a rescue mission for Hera is put into motion, Athena remains emotionally devastated as she does not expect to find her child alive ([[Daybreak, Part I]]). Athena, Helo, Starbuck, Apollo, and a force of free Centurions board [[the Colony]] to retrieve Hera. Boomer returns the child to her parents after a change of heart. Athena then shoots Boomer dead, which Boomer expected. The Agathon family settle on the newly discovered [[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|Earth]]. Athena is a direct ancestress of all modern-day humans through her daughter Hera ([[Daybreak, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> * This [[Number Eight]] is usually called &quot;Sharon&quot; and more recently &quot;Athena&quot;, while [[Sharon Valerii]] is often just called &quot;Boomer&quot;, as that callsign is closely associated with her. Until Season 3, this copy was referred to as the Caprica copy (&quot;Caprica-Sharon&quot;), because she was first encountered on Caprica.<br /> *Sharon Agathon's callsign, &quot;Athena&quot;, may be a reference to her nature as a Cylon, if the Colonists share the Greek myth that Pallas Athene sprung from the head of Zeus fully grown without ever having a childhood – much as a Cylon does.<br /> * Athena is one of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]]. In &quot;[[Home, Part II]]&quot;, Sharon relates the death of Athena on Kobol, &quot;Athena [threw] herself down [from the Gates of Hera] onto the rocks below, out of despair over the Exodus of the thirteen tribes.&quot; <br /> * Her callsign also creates a parallel with the [[Original Series]] character of [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]]. In the Original Series, Athena was the daughter of [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]]. In the Re-imagined Series, Agathon's relationship with Adama is very similar, as he develops a close fatherly bond to her.<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Characters}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Agathon, Sharon}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Characters]]<br /> [[Category:Characters (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Main Characters (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Sharon Agathon]]<br /> [[tr:Sharon Agathon]]<br /> <br /> {{featured article candidate previous}}</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_House_Prophecy&diff=179251 2009-04-23T06:00:06Z

<p>Mishakal: /* The Vision */</p> <hr /> <div>The Opera House Prophecy is a vision [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Caprica Six]] had repeatedly since the events of [[Crossroads, Part II]]. <br /> <br /> ==The Vision== <br /> *In the vision (which comes to them as a dream), Roslin and Sharon are chasing [[Hera]] through the Kobol Opera House and their part ends when Hera's taken by [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] and Caprica Six and goes through a door which closes behind them, closing Sharon and Roslin out. For Caprica Six the vision continues and she goes through the door and continues on through another door then turns around and sees the [[Final Five]] in white cloaks on a balcony looking down on them.<br /> <br /> ==Attempts to Act On the Visions==<br /> *The three of them have this vision repeatedly and the Rebel Hybrid prophecises that &quot;the Dying Leader (Roslin) shall know the truth of the Opera House.&quot; Roslin tries to get answers from the [[Hybrid]], but is unsucessful. Fear caused by this vision causes Sharon to kill Natalie, a Number Six copy she was worried was going to take Hera away from her. When Caprica Six gets pregnant, Roslin and Caprica Six realize that they've stopped having the vision, but it returns when Caprica Six miscarries. <br /> <br /> ==Vision Fulfilled==<br /> *In [[Daybreak, Part II]], Hera runs away from her parents after being rescued from the Colony with help from Boomer and Roslin senses her return and briefly protects her from being found but she runs off again. In a fulfilment of the vision, which sometimes the charchters see during the chase, Roslin and Sharon chase after Hera through ''Galactica'' and she gets taken by Caprica Six and Baltar who find her, but don't see Roslin and Sharon so they take her and close the hatch. When they reach what is the ''Galactica'' equivalant of the final door entered in the vision, bot realize they need to go through it and find themselves in CIC with the Final Five on the CIC balcony in a similar posistion to that of the vision. Soon after there is an explosion and a copy of [[Number One]] manages to grab Hera and hold her at gun point. Gaius tries to talk him down and [[Saul Tigh]] offers him Resurrection technology in exchange for Hera's life.<br /> <br /> ==Unanswered Questions==<br /> *Why doesn't Gaius Baltar experience the visions with the other participants?<br /> *Why do the visions stop with the conception of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]] and then restart after his death in utero?<br /> *When did Laura Roslin discover the &quot;truth of the Opera House&quot;?<br /> <br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Final_Five&diff=179250 2009-04-23T05:58:00Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Awareness of the Five by the other seven Cylons */</p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:TheFinalFive.JPG|right|thumb|300px|The Final Five in the Kobol Opera House]]<br /> The term &quot;'''Final Five'''&quot; collectively describes five of the thirteen [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon humanoid models]], namely [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]], and [[Galen Tyrol]], whose identities were lost to the majority of the Cylon populace. These five Cylons are the descendants of ancient humanoid artificial life forms created by humans on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] thousands of years ago. They are also the creators of the so-called Significant Seven Cylons, plus [[Number Seven]], whose entire line was wiped out. <br /> <br /> ==The unauthorized quest for the Five==<br /> [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|Downloaded Three]], whom Gaius Baltar calls by her sister's alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the Final Five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).<br /> <br /> One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the Five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], and [[Tory Foster]]. ([[Crossroads, Part II]], [[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br /> <br /> [[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]<br /> Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) leads him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.<br /> <br /> The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers (&quot;[[The Passage]]&quot;, &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot;). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. Number Three steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise &quot;You... forgive me... I had no idea.&quot; She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She tells Baltar, &quot;You were right,&quot; but dies before answering about what, or telling him what she saw. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> Later, she shows that she is aware of the identities of the four revealed Cylons, but does not immediately identify Ellen Tigh, the fifth, as Ellen is not among the population of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] and is believed to be dead ([[Revelations]], [[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br /> <br /> ==Awareness of the Five by the other seven Cylons==<br /> <br /> Caprica-Six indicates that the Cylons do not speak of the Five, but she knows how many there are. She later tells Roslin that she is actually &quot;programmed not to think of them.&quot; Downloaded Three also indicates to Baltar that they do not discuss the Five. A [[Cavil]] realizes in the [[Temple of Five]] that the Three is attempting to see the Final Five, and not simply seeking [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. He tells her &quot;That can't happen&quot; and points a gun at her to stop her, but is shot by Baltar. Later, a Cavil explains that because of her obsession her entire line will be [[boxing|boxed]] ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> A [[Leoben Conoy]] claims that &quot;Adama is a Cylon&quot;, although, even if he were one, Conoy should not know this. While there is a slight possibility that he could be referring to [[Tamara Adama|Adama's sister]], it is commonly believed that he is lying in order to create mistrust ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> <br /> The [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] copy of Number Eight, interrogated by Baltar, declares there are eight Cylons in the Fleet. Given that these Seven do not interact (or are unwilling to interact) with the Five at the time, the number that Boomer gives is likely other copies of the Seven in disguise. (This tendency to disguise is confirmed through [[Shelly Godfrey]], [[Gina Inviere]], [[D'Anna Biers]] and [[Brother Cavil]], among others). Also supporting this is the scene where number Three and Sharon Valerii discover Samuel Anders and refer to him as human in the episode &quot;[[Downloaded]]&quot;. A later episode, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;, shows a Three recognizing a putative human among the faces of the Five, confirming the lack of information to the Seven on the Five's identities.<br /> <br /> Both [[Caprica Six]] and Sharon Agathon share a [[Opera House Prophecy|dream vision]] in which the glowing, white-robed figures of the Five are shown in the [[Opera House]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). After their activation, Caprica-Six, aboard ''Galactica'', has a sense that the Final Five are near ([[He That Believeth In Me]]), but fails to recognize Tigh even when directly confronted by him ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br /> <br /> There are cases of the Seven and the Five committing violence on each other, including:<br /> * Anders leads a [[Caprica Resistance|resistance movement]] on Cylon-occupied Caprica, killing several humanoids in the process (&quot;[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]&quot;, &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;).<br /> * A Number Three copy attacks Anders on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]).<br /> * A Number Five maims Tigh by destroying his right eye (&quot;[[Occupation]]&quot;, [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#Occupation|deleted scene]]).<br /> * Tigh, Tyrol and Anders lead a violent [[New Caprica Resistance|resistance movement]] on New Caprica, resulting in the deaths of many Cylons (''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]'', &quot;Occupation&quot; through &quot;[[Exodus, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> * Anders attacks a Two ([[The Road Less Traveled]]) and threatens to kill a copy of [[Number Six]] after she kills [[Jean Barolay]] ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> While [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] are programmed to recognize and obey [[humanoid Cylon]]s, on a number of occasions they shoot at members of the Five, prior to their activation, including Tyrol on both Kobol and on the [[algae planet]], Anders both on Caprica and outside the Temple of Five, and most members during the escape from [[New Caprica]]. The behavior of a Centurion present at Ellen Tigh's resurrection indicates that its programming requires it to keep her prisoner for Cavil.<br /> <br /> During the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], a Cylon Raider makes eye contact with [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] in a Viper, causing a brief red flash from Anders' eye. Immediately, the Raider breaks off its attack, and the entire Cylon fleet retreats ([[He That Believeth In Me]]), after responding this IFF procedure. However, this display of free will and the prospect of making contact with the Five, creates a [[Cylon civil war|schism]] between the other six Cylons, who violently disagree over the appropriate course of action ([[Six of One]]).<br /> <br /> [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|Downloaded Three]] is unboxed by the [[Number One|Ones]], to ostensibly convince the rebels to stop fighting further, and rescued by the human-Cylon alliance, after killing Cavil. She initially keeps her knowledge about the Five's identities a secret in an attempt to secure her safety should the alliance collapse ([[The Hub]]). When she resumes her position as the ''de facto'' leader of the Cylon rebels she reveals to President Roslin and Admiral Adama that there are only ''four'' Cylons in their fleet, and does not elaborate on the status of the fifth, realizing that Ellen has been dead for nearly a year. She then holds the humans aboard her basestar, including Roslin and [[Gaius Baltar]], hostage in an attempt to force the four out of hiding. Tory Foster willingly goes to the basestar, and Three introduces her to her new Cylon &quot;brothers&quot; and &quot;sisters&quot;. In the ensuing stand off, President [[Lee Adama]] attempts to force her to release her hostages by threatening to execute Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders and in doing so publicly announces their identities to the other Cylons on the basestar ([[Revelations]]).<br /> <br /> In [[No Exit]], it is revealed that Cavil has always known the identities of the Final Five. Cavil revealed Ellen's identity to Boomer two months prior to the events in [[The Eye of Jupiter]] and [[Rapture]], the [[Number Four|Fours]] are also aware of Ellen's identity in the main timeframe of No Exit; it is unclear when they became aware of this, or whether the Fives are also aware.<br /> <br /> == Four revealed, and their nature ==<br /> <br /> [[Image:Four Revealed.jpg|thumb|Four of the Final Five from left to right: [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]].]]<br /> <br /> As the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], four people begin hearing an [[The Music|unusual melody]]: these four are Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering its mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the Final Five. When they learn the truth, they decide to remain loyal to the Colonial Fleet, because they thought they were humans for as long as they can remember, and cling to what they know to make sense of their lives. Moreover, Tigh sees himself as a soldier first and wants to hold up his oath.<br /> <br /> After activation, the four revealed Cylons are unaware of any thoughts like Boomer's [[Sharon Valerii#Acts of sabotage|Cylon directives]] other than that they are Cylons. In a sense they know less than the audience and the Significant Seven, who at least know that the Final Five are fundamentally different models.&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=ffdifferent|timestamp=19:05|totalrunning=78:27}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tigh and Anders painfully and confusedly recite events from their lives which make little sense in the context of their newly revealed nature. With particular pain, Tigh asks &quot;My gods, what about Ellen?&quot; His personal execution of his wife for being a Cylon collaborator, and his pain over it, has been a major theme in the episode. It is revealed much later that [[Ellen Tigh]] was in fact the fifth member of the final five and that she and the other five once lived on [[Earth_(RDM)#Arrival_and_Ruins|Original Earth]] two millenia prior to the First Cylon War.<br /> <br /> The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven. In particular, Colonel Tigh's friendship with William Adama stretches back a long time, though not to the first Cylon War itself ([[Scattered]], [[Crossroads, Part II]])<br /> <br /> These Cylons possess superhuman physical strength, like the Significant Seven models ([[The Ties That Bind]], [[Escape Velocity]]). Also, Galen Tyrol was less affected than his wife by decompression sickness ([[A Day in the Life]]). During the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], Samuel Anders' right eye responded to a Cylon Raider's scan by flashing red ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). The Final Five are capable of [[projection]], of identifying Significant Seven copies by sight, and of being connected to a Cylon [[datastream]] ([[Deadlock]], [[Someone to Watch Over Me]], [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]).<br /> <br /> [[Caprica-Six]] describes being &quot;programmed&quot; not to think of the Five ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).<br /> <br /> When [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|Downloaded Three]] takes control of the rebel Cylon baseship, she holds humans ransom, demanding the Colonials permit the remaining four Final Five Cylons to join her. She is aware that one Final Five member is no longer among the fleet. Although civilian Tory Foster flies to the baseship under the pretext of taking medication to the captive President, the three soldiers remain loyal to the Colonies. To change Three's equasion, Tigh admits his nature and presents himself for arrest. Waiting in an airlock for Three to capitulate, he identifies Anders and Tyrol to Acting President [[Lee Adama]] who has the two aprehended and brought to the airlock. In conjunction with the resulting alliance between Colonials and the rebel Cylons, Acting President Adama pardons all Cylons and releases them from custody. ([[Revelations]])<br /> <br /> Though freed by Lee Adama, neither Tigh, Anders nor Tyrol wears rank insignia on his fatigue collars while surveying post-apocalyptic Original Earth and upon their return to Galactica. (&quot;[[Revelations]]&quot;, &quot;[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]&quot;). Anders, however, continues to wear insignia on his flight suit under his fatigue field jacket. Conversely, the human soldiers and Lt. [[Sharon Agathon]] wear their rank on their fatigues. Tigh continues to reside in his quarters and his sidearm has not been confiscated, but he is not shown to have resumed his rank and duties until the morning after Admiral Adama's drunken attempt to motivate Tigh to kill him. ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br /> <br /> The Final Five do not appear have reproductive difficulties as severe as those of the Seven. So far one of Final Five, Saul Tigh, has managed to sire progeny. Only two of the millions of Significant Seven copies: Sharon Agathon and Caprica-Six, have managed to become pregnant, and none of the countless male Significant Seven copies have sired children. All attempts by the Tighs to have children between themselves, however, failed during Ellen's presumably fertile years.<br /> <br /> ==The Fifth is revealed==<br /> On the devastated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] the Four have visions that confirm their origin, that had indeed lived there 2,000 years ago as part of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], a humanoid Cylon civilization, all killed in the nuclear holocaust. Unknown to any of them is how they all found themselves as Colonials in a star system light-years away, their memories of their past lives all but gone.<br /> <br /> Wading in the dead waters of Earth shortly before the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] returns to space and an unknown future, Colonel Tigh stumbles upon a post box hatch. Handling the hatch, he experiences a vision of his short moments in the holocaust, hearing shouts from a woman trapped in the fallen debris of an apartment building. The face is unmistakable. The vision of [[Ellen Tigh]] tells him that &quot;Everything is in place,&quot; that they all will be reborn again, together ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br /> <br /> Saul Tigh realizes then that his late wife, is the last of the Five, the last of the twelve humanoid Cylon archetypes ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]). Tigh informs only the &quot;upper echelons&quot; of Ellen's true nature, including Admiral [[William Adama]], former interim President [[Lee Adama]], Vice President [[Tom Zarek]], and President [[Laura Roslin]]. At a press conference on ''[[Colonial One]]'', Lee Adama informs the press, inadvertently, that the final Cylon is both a woman and believed to be dead, though he does not specifically identify Ellen by name ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]).<br /> <br /> Ellen's true nature is later made public knowledge upon her return to the fleet ([[Deadlock]]).<br /> <br /> ==The story of the Final Five==<br /> In [[No Exit]], the origin of the Five is revealed. Samuel Anders regains his Cylon memories after getting shot in the head and he reveals what he knows to Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Tory Foster, as well as [[Kara Thrace]]. The Final Five worked in a research facility on Earth. Saul and Ellen were married even back then and Tyrol and Tory were in love and planned to get married. What they were researching was a way to re-invent [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology. Organic memory transfer came from [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], but had fell out of use after the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons started to procreate. The Five worked night and day to rebuild it, spurred by apocalyptic warnings from [[Virtual beings#The Final Five's Virtual Beings|&quot;the messengers&quot;]]. Tyrol's work on the project was &quot;amazing&quot;, but it was Ellen who made the intuitive leap that brought the system back online.<br /> <br /> The Five then placed the technology and new bodies for them on a ship they placed in orbit around Earth. When they were all killed in the nuclear holocaust unleashed by Earth's mistreated [[Cylon Models#Earth Centurion Models|mechanical Cylons]], they were reborn in their new bodies on the ship in orbit. Realizing that the other Twelve Tribes would continue to create artificial life, they headed for the Colonies to tell the humans to treat their creations well and keep them close. Because their people hadn't developed [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series|jump drives]], the Five's ship traveled at relativistic, but subluminal speed. Time slowed down for them, but thousands of years had passed. According to Ellen, they stopped at the [[Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] on their way to the Colonies, a temple that was created by their ancestors where they prayed and got a sign that led them to Earth. But Ellen said that the Five were not responsible for the vision that Number Three received of them, saying that it must have been orchestrated by [[God (RDM)|God]].<br /> <br /> By the time they got to the Colonies, the humans were already at [[Cylon War|war]] with the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]. The Centurions were already trying to make flesh bodies. They had created the [[Hybrid]]s, but nothing that lived on its own, so the Five made a deal with them: they stop the war and the Five will help them create humanoid Cylons. The Centurions agreed and signed the [[Cimtar Peace Accord]] with humanity. The Five and the Centurions then withdrew to a mobile space station called [[The Colony]] placed beyond the [[Armistice Line]]. The Five and the Centurions apparently worked well together; the Five had learned to respect mechanical Cylons, and even adopted the Centurions' [[Cylon Religion|monotheistic beliefs]].<br /> <br /> The Five developed the eight humanoid models and gave them resurrection technology. They created [[Number One]] first, named him John. He was named after Ellen's father and also made in his image. Number One later changed his name to Cavil as he hated the name John. Cavil helped the Five build the other seven humanoid models. Ellen was close to [[Number Seven]] (Daniel) and Cavil, out of jealousy, contaminated the amniotic fluid in which the Daniel copies were maturing and then corrupted the genetic formula. This wiped out the copies permanently, and as Anders said of Daniel: &quot;he died&quot;, indicating that the original Daniel was lost as well.<br /> <br /> Cavil rejected mercy. He had a twisted idea of morality and despised the Five for contaminating their creations with human weaknesses and Centurion religious ideals, so he turned on them. He trapped them in a compartment and then he took the oxygen offline. Cavil [[Boxing|boxed]] the Five at first but ultimately unboxed them and downloaded them into new bodies, blocking their true memories and implanting false ones, then introducing them one by one into the colonies. He introduced Saul first, not long after the war. And then Ellen. Cavil put the Five into the human population in order to truly show them what humans are like. He hoped that when they died and resurrected (which restores their real memories) they'd be ready to admit they were wrong. This is why they never knew who they really were. The truth behind the [[The Music|music]] that triggered their knowledge of their true selves has yet to be revealed. <br /> <br /> Cavil erased all knowledge of their identities from his siblings and his was the only Cylon model that knew their identities afterwards, but he kept at least one new body for each of them to download into. When Ellen was killed by Saul, she downloaded into a new body on a [[Resurrection Ship]]. With the destruction of the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]], the Five are the only ones who know how to rebuild resurrection technology, but Ellen claims it would take all five working together to rebuild it and even then she's not sure they could do it.<br /> <br /> ==The Five Reunited==<br /> After Boomer helps Ellen escape from Cavil, the Five are finally reunited although Anders is pretty much brain dead except when he acts as a Hybrid for ''Galactica''. The Rebel Cylons decide that perhaps they should leave the Fleet for good now that they have all of the Five and leave it up to the Five to decide. Tigh and Anders vote no, Tory and Tyrol vote yes and initaly Ellen is undecided. In order to spite her husband as she's angry at him for his relationship with Caprica Six and Caprica's pregnancy by him, she votes yes, but after Caprica Six miscarries, she changes her mind saying that humans and Cylons ''should'' be together and she only voted yes out of anger. The Five later gather in Joe's Bar and are shocked to hear The Music which Ellen seems to recignize as well. When Admiral Adama calls everyone to talk about the rescue mission for Hera Agathon, Ellen tells Tory they're both going, and although Tory initaly protests, Tyrol convinces her to go and all of the Final Five go on the rescue. Anders acts as ''Galactica's'' Hybrid on the mission while Ellen and Tory and monitor him. Tyrol and Tigh later joins them when a fire starts and they go to put it out. When the Opera House Prophecy finally comes true, the Five are standing in similar places on CIC's balcony as that's where they placed Anders' Hybrid tank. The Five offer to give Cavil back resurrection if he agrees to let them take Hera and leaves humanity alone forever. He agrees and the Five are revealed to each hold a piece of the secret of resurrection and all need to combine together in order to get the whole thing. Using the data stream in Anders' tank, they combine the pieces and start transmitting it to the Colony, but a side-effect is that they see each others memories at the same time. Tyrol learns from Tory's memories that she murdered Cally and he flies into a rage, breaks the Five's download to the Colony and strangles Tory and breaks her neck, killing her. Later, Anders flies ''Galactica'' and her Fleet into the Sun, destroying the ships and himself. With the deaths of Anders and Tory, there are only three of the Final Five left alive and there is little chance for resurrection to be rebuilt as all five had exclusive knowledge of some aspect of the technology.<br /> <br /> ==Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god==<br /> <br /> *The thirteenth tribe was a tribe of Cylons. <br /> *The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. According to Colonial scriptures, &quot;Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken&quot;. <br /> *On [[New Caprica]], Number Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.<br /> *With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the Cylon God and the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]].<br /> *The thirteenth tribe were polytheistic and had a [[Temple of Aurora]] on their planet.<br /> <br /> ==Kara Thrace, The Eye of Jupiter, and the first Hybrid==<br /> <br /> *The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that [[Eye of Jupiter|&quot;doodled&quot; a circular image as a child]] with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, &quot;[[Valley of Darkness]]&quot;), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophecy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an [[The Destiny|unexplained &quot;destiny&quot;]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> *The [[first Hybrid]] gives a monologue about his knowledge of the Final Five in the extended version of &quot;[[Razor]]&quot;. It states:<br /> <br /> :&quot;Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.&quot;<br /> <br /> :Its description predicts the internal revelation that four of the Five would experience in &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot; through &quot;[[Revelations]]&quot;. The fifth and final Cylon remains hidden, longing to be forgiven for some type of trespass, but will experience suffering in the process.<br /> <br /> *The first Hybrid also mentions Kara Thrace to [[Kendra Shaw]], claiming, &quot;She is the herald of the apocalypse, the harbinger of death...&quot; as the end of the human race. He warns Shaw that the humans should not follow her ([[Razor]]). However, the Hybrid never confirms Thrace's nature. More than a year later, another [[Hybrid]] claims that Thrace will lead all of humanity to destruction ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> ==Illusion or truth==<br /> *The Threes' hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.<br /> **As of &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot; the single re-activated D'Anna is the only one who knows the identity of all five models, information she is keeping for use as a bargaining chip.<br /> *Later, in dream visions of the [[Opera House]] shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica-Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear, along with the same chamber with six drapes, this time empty. Six sees them for a more prolonged period in a second vision.<br /> *It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the &quot;chosen one&quot;. The significance of the [[five priests]], [[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|the god they worshiped]], and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> * In the podcast for &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;, it is stated that the boxing of the Threes was the first time an entire model had been eliminated, implying that the Final Five were not [[boxing|boxed]]&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}&lt;/ref&gt;. In [[No Exit]], this assumption was established to be incorrect, as the Final Five were temporarily boxed before they were sent to the Colonies with false memories. The statement itself was also contradicted in the same episode, which established that Cavil destroyed the [[Number Seven]] line.<br /> * During a Q&amp;A session on the official Sci Fi channel ''Battlestar Galactica'' forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is&lt;ref&gt;[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&amp;st=0&amp;p=3041263&amp;#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> * Despite the revelation of all of the Significant Seven's model numbers in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;, [[Ron D. Moore]] confirmed that the Final Five '''do not''' have model numbers like the [[Significant Seven]].&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants &amp; Reviews - Live at the &quot;Battlestar Galactica&quot; Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; This leaves it a mystery why there is no known humanoid model designated [[Number Seven]]. This is addressed in a [[No Exit|later episode]].<br /> <br /> {{WikiFrakr|Fantastic Four}}<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Final Five]]<br /> [[ms:Lima Terakhir]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_House_Prophecy&diff=179249 2009-04-23T05:56:16Z

<p>Mishakal: /* The Vision */</p> <hr /> <div>The Opera House Prophecy is a vision [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Caprica Six]] had repeatedly since the events of [[Crossroads, Part II]]. <br /> <br /> ==The Vision== <br /> *In the vision (which comes to them as a dream), Roslin and Sharon are chasing [[Hera]] through the Kobol Opera House and their part ends when Hera's taken by [[Baltar|Gaius Baltar]] and Caprica Six and goes through a door which closes behind them, closing Sharon and Roslin out. For Caprica Six the vision continues and she goes through the door and continues on through another door then turns around and sees the [[Final Five]] in white cloaks on a balcony looking down on them.<br /> <br /> ==Attempts to Act On the Visions==<br /> *The three of them have this vision repeatedly and the Rebel Hybrid prophecises that &quot;the Dying Leader (Roslin) shall know the truth of the Opera House.&quot; Roslin tries to get answers from the [[Hybrid]], but is unsucessful. Fear caused by this vision causes Sharon to kill Natalie, a Number Six copy she was worried was going to take Hera away from her. When Caprica Six gets pregnant, Roslin and Caprica Six realize that they've stopped having the vision, but it returns when Caprica Six miscarries. <br /> <br /> ==Vision Fulfilled==<br /> *In [[Daybreak, Part II]], Hera runs away from her parents after being rescued from the Colony with help from Boomer and Roslin senses her return and briefly protects her from being found but she runs off again. In a fulfilment of the vision, which sometimes the charchters see during the chase, Roslin and Sharon chase after Hera through ''Galactica'' and she gets taken by Caprica Six and Baltar who find her, but don't see Roslin and Sharon so they take her and close the hatch. When they reach what is the ''Galactica'' equivalant of the final door entered in the vision, bot realize they need to go through it and find themselves in CIC with the Final Five on the CIC balcony in a similar posistion to that of the vision. Soon after there is an explosion and a copy of [[Number One]] manages to grab Hera and hold her at gun point. Gaius tries to talk him down and [[Saul Tigh]] offers him Resurrection technology in exchange for Hera's life.<br /> <br /> ==Unanswered Questions==<br /> *Why doesn't Gaius Baltar experience the visions with the other participants?<br /> *Why do the visions stop with the conception of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]] and then restart after his death in utero?<br /> *When did Laura Roslin discover the &quot;truth of the Opera House&quot;?<br /> <br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_House&diff=179248 2009-04-23T05:54:38Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Roslin, Sharon, Hera, and Caprica-Six */</p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Opera House ruins.jpg|thumb|300px|Ruins of the Opera House on Kobol.]]<br /> The '''Opera House''' is an ancient structure in the [[City of the Gods]] on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], along with other edifices such as the [[Forum]] and [[Temple]]. By the time of the arrival of the Colonials, the building has been reduced to a few scattered ruins. As a sketch of this area of the city is included in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the building may have had religious significance.<br /> <br /> ==First Sight==<br /> <br /> [[Image:OperaHouse inside.jpg|thumb|Inside the Opera House ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).]]<br /> These are the ruins on Kobol near the crash site of [[Raptor 1]], which is forced to land on the planet after being damaged by a [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]] as it jumps into Kobol's orbit. Among the surviving passengers are [[Crashdown]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Tarn]], [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]], [[Cally]], [[Socinus]], and [[Gaius Baltar]].<br /> <br /> ==Baltar and Three==<br /> <br /> Shortly after the Raptor crash on Kobol, the virtual [[Virtual beings|Number Six]] in a white dress leads Baltar towards the ruins of the Opera House, where viewers and Baltar see the Opera House as it was, millennia ago. It is in that virtual Opera House that Six shows Baltar an image of what she claims is their future [[Hera Agathon|child]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> Much later a [[Number Three]] would have similar visions of the Opera House and the [[Final Five]] on the stage within. The Five appear as robed figures to her between death and [[resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], but she cannot clearly remember their faces until she steps onto the centerpiece in the [[Temple of Five]] and has the vision for the final time ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> ==Roslin, Sharon, Hera, and Caprica-Six==<br /> <br /> The Opera House is also seen in a [[Opera House Prophecy|dream or vision]] by President [[Laura Roslin]], induced by taking of [[chamalla]]. In the vision, [[Hera Agathon]] is scampering through the halls, pursued by both Roslin and her mother, [[Sharon Agathon]]. But before either can reach her, Hera is picked up by a [[Number Six]] wearing a white dress, ending the dream ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> Just before the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] reaches the [[Ionian nebula]], Roslin visits the Opera House again while undergoing her [[Doloxan]] treatment (but still using chamalla as well) in [[sickbay]]. She and Sharon are still chasing Hera through the lobby. This time, however, when the Number Six picks the child up, she takes her through a set of doors. Roslin wakes up with to find that Sharon and Hera shared the vision, all three having awakened screaming simultaneously. Agathon and Roslin visit the captive [[Caprica-Six]], who confirms that she, too, had shared the dream.<br /> <br /> At the Ionian nebula, Caprica-Six has yet another vision in the Opera House, where she, [[Gaius Baltar]], and baby Hera stand on the stage and see the robed Final Five standing on the balcony above them ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> It is prophesied by the rebel's Hybrid that the &quot;dying leader shall know the truth of the Opera House&quot; ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> Later, Sharon Agathon runs after Hera through ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt; hallways, where Hera runs into a Six known as [[Natalie]], thus mirroring what she saw in her visions of the Opera House. Fearing that Natalie will take away her daughter, like the Six in the dreams, Agathon shoots the other Cylon ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]).<br /> <br /> During the [[Battle of The Colony]], as Cylon Centurions board the Galactica, the vision is paralleled in actual events. Hera runs away from her parents when [[Karl Agathon]] is shot in the leg, and [[Sharon Agathon]] abandons him to go after her. At the same time, Roslin leaves her post at the sickbay when she begins to have the Opera House dream again. Eventually, just as the vision showed, [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] find Hera and take her into what they perceive as the Opera House, which is, in actuality, the Galactica [[CIC]]. The Final Five cylons stand above them on one of the higher levels, looking down upon Baltar and Caprica Six, just as the vision foretold. ([[Daybreak, Part II]])<br /> <br /> == Notes==<br /> *The [[w:Orpheum (Vancouver)|Orpheum Theatre]] in Vancouver (where ''Battlestar Galactica'' is produced) provides the setting of the Opera House interior that Gaius Baltar sees in his dream (Source: [[The Official Companion]]).<br /> *In the vision of the Opera House shown to Baltar by Six, there are eight white drapes. When Number Three sees her vision of it, there are six drapes, with five glowing white-robed figures standing on the rightmost five (from her vantage point).<br /> *While the [[Final Five]] in white robes are always depicted in the Opera House, in reality they probably never saw it or visited it, at least while it was intact. Their first trip to Kobol was by sub-light ship after the fall of both Kobol and the 13th Colony. If it was constructed before the departure of the 13th tribe, they may have seen photos or drawings.<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial History]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=External_visions&diff=179247 2009-04-23T05:54:09Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Roslin&#039;s dreams */</p> <hr /> <div>{{cleanup}}<br /> <br /> Many characters appear to receive dreams, visions, messages and compulsions from outside themselves. Some turn out to be [[humanoid Cylon]]s, but several are not.<br /> <br /> ==Dreams and Visions==<br /> ===Roslin's dreams===<br /> *A few months after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], [[Laura Roslin]] dreams that she is being pursued through a forest by a group of Marines. A copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] saves her, and then appears to be sucked away. Later, a copy of Leoben Conoy is found to be stowed away in the fleet, and he is executed by being sucked out an airlock exactly as he was in Roslin's dream ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> *Roslin, possibly under the influence of [[chamalla]] experiences several visions, including of Kobol as it was, and of serpents, 2 and 10.<br /> *Roslin, taking [[chamalla]] again, experiences a dream of the [[Opera House Prophecy|Opera House]] where she wears an unusual brocade dress and appears younger than normal. In this dream, she chases [[Hera Agathon]] and encounters [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Caprica Six]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and the glowing figures of the [[Final Five]]. It is later discovered that Sharon and Six also experience the same vision ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br /> *The vision of the Opera House continues, with further visions of the [[Final Five]].<br /> *Roslin dreams she is on a ferry with [[Emily Kowalski]] on a river which borders the afterlife. Kowalski sees her dead family on shore, and goes to join them. This matches a description Kowalski made earlier of one of her own dreams. Roslin sees her own family as well, but tells them she is not ready. When she awakens she discovers that Kowalski has in fact died during Roslin's sleep. Baltar has been speaking frequently of the river seen in the dream ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> ===The Music===<br /> <br /> Four people hear a [[The Music|mysterious melody]]. It makes them compulsive, so that they subconsciously recite lines from the song, before they eventually congregate in a room where they become aware that they are Cylons; members of the [[Final Five]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). Later, these four again hear fragments of the music and are drawn to the pristine Viper in which [[Kara Thrace]] returned from her supposed death. That Viper turns out to be able to receive a signal which serves a beacon towards [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Thrace thinks that the message is coming from a &quot;higher power.&quot; ([[Revelations]])<br /> <br /> ===Number Three's dreams and vision===<br /> *The [[Number Three|Three]] acting as an overseer on New Caprica dreams that she visits the tent of [[Dodona Selloi]]. Three goes to visit Selloi when she awakens, and Selloi tells her she has a message from the Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]]: [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] is alive and Three will hold her in her arms. Selloi's predictions prove to be accurate; Baltar finds Hera in the aftermath of the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part I]] and [[Exodus, Part II|II]]).<br /> *After the Cylons leave New Caprica, Three dreams that she is aboard ''Galactica'', fleeing from a group of Marines. They corner her in front of a hatch marked &quot;end of line&quot; and execute her. When she awakens, Three orders a Centurion to shoot her, possibly believing her dream to be instruction from God. While she is downloading, Three finds herself in the [[Opera House]] on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] where Baltar's internal Six (above) showed him Hera's cradle. Five mysterious figures wearing white robes are also present ([[Hero]]).<br /> *In the [[Temple of Five]] she enters a beam of light at the moment of the Nova, and again sees herself in the Opera House with the five white-robed beings. Baltar, standing next to her does not see this. After seeing the vision, she dies, bleeding from the head ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> ===Starbuck's Mandala===<br /> [[Kara Thrace]] has, since childhood, had an image in her head identical to the drawings in the [[Temple of Five]] believed to be the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. She drew it in large on the walls of her home on Caprica. She is not aware of the source of the image (&quot;[[Valley of Darkness]]&quot;, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> ===Starbuck and Leoben===<br /> Starbuck states that she has been regularly having dreams about [[Leoben Conoy]] since she left New Caprica. She also apparently hallucinates Cylon Raiders on two separate occasions. While flying a Viper mission, she has a flashback to her [[Socrata Thrace|mother's]] death, however a [[Virtual Leoben|being who looks like Leoben]] (but who is not) appears in the flashback ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> <br /> ===Projection===<br /> Cylons employ a virtual reality technology called [[projection]] which provides a complete illusion of being in a different or imaginary space ([[Torn]]).<br /> <br /> ===Tomb of Athena===<br /> When the [[Tomb of Athena]] is activated, all present experience a realistic 3-D virtual reality environment showing a grassy field at night with a modified version of the night sky of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. It is unclear if the objects provide tactile feedback, or whether this is an optical &quot;holodeck&quot; effect or fed directly into their brains ([[Home, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Adama's Hybrid Vision===<br /> When young [[William Adama]] places his hand into a liquid filled tank on a Cylon base near the end of the first Cylon War, he perceives a vision of a hand grabbing him from the tank, and sees tortured people around the walls. As the vision ends, the hand releases him, then vanishes. He hears the voice of the [[First Hybrid]] telling him that &quot;all this has happened before...&quot; He does encounter real people locked in the next room, but is unable to free them ([[Razor]]).<br /> <br /> ===Final Five Hallucinations===<br /> Two of the revealed [[Final Five]] have experienced realistic visions or hallucinations.<br /> <br /> [[Saul Tigh]] repeatedly sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in the place of [[Caprica Six]] in her cell, dressed in Six's outfit. He also experiences some sort of hallucination, sufficient to distract him from urgent duty, of himself shooting William Adama in a manner similar to the way [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] did (&quot;[[Escape Velocity]]&quot;, &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> [[Galen Tyrol]], while conversing with Admiral Adama hears and sees him say, &quot;I guess she just couldn't take being married to a Cylon, being mother of a half-breed abomination.&quot;, although the admiral does not say this ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br /> <br /> ==Virtual Beings==<br /> :''Main article: [[Virtual beings]], describing Baltar's inner Six and Caprica Six's inner Baltar.<br /> <br /> ==Compulsions==<br /> Several characters engage in behavior seemingly driven by forces outside themselves. The Music, cited above as a vision, also triggers a compulsion.<br /> ===Boomer's Compulsions===<br /> [[Sharon Valerii]] undergoes several unconscious compulsions to sabotage Fleet operations. Eventually these push her to shoot [[William Adama]], revealing her as a [[Cylon agent]]. She has been programmed to think she is human, the compulsions were the result of her special programming (&quot;[[Water]]&quot;, &quot;[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> ===Tyrol's Compulsion===<br /> [[Galen Tyrol]] feels an unexplained compulsion on the [[algae planet]] to wander into the hills. He is drawn to the [[Temple of Five]] which he is unusually equipped to recognize ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). He is so drawn to the temple he disobeys direct orders to destroy it.<br /> <br /> Tyrol later hears the music, and learns that he is one of the [[Final Five]].<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Prophecies==<br /> A number of characters become aware of unusual information they should not know that is later confirmed.<br /> ===Selloi's Prophecy===<br /> [[Dodona Selloi]] reports receiving a message from the Cylon god regarding [[Hera Agathon]] along with other information. The prophecies are accurate. She does not appear to think it odd to pass on a message from the Cylon god, who otherwise is not apparently known to the Colonial faith ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> ===Leoben's Predictions===<br /> [[Leoben Conoy]] tells [[Kara Thrace]] she has a special destiny while she interrogates him, and repeats this at future meetings. He also recounts knowledge of her difficult history with her mother and predicts that the Fleet will find [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], which it will help them find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. However given that the Cylons probably know Kobol's location that that time, he could be anticipating this from the Fleet's course ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> <br /> During her bizarre imprisonment on New Caprica, he predicts that Kara will embrace him and tell him she loves him and that he has &quot;seen this.&quot;. When she returns for [[Kacey Brynn]] during her escape, it plays out exactly as he foretold, but he is also telling her to do so, making the prophecy self-fulfilled ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Yolanda Brenn===<br /> [[Yolanda Brenn]] recounts almost completely Leoben's statements to Thrace, and adds further details about her relationship with her mother ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> ===Unknown Oracles===<br /> [[Socrata Thrace]] consulted oracles during the youth of Kara. They informed her of her special destiny and this drove her to be far too tough with her daughter.&lt;ref&gt;[[Podcast:Maelstrom]].&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==First Hybrid==<br /> The [[first Hybrid]] declares that he has been waiting for his meeting with [[Kendra Shaw]] for a very long time, though he should not know her name. He also declares that [[Kara Thrace]] will &quot;lead humanity to its end&quot; and is the &quot;harbinger of death.&quot; He is aware he is about to be destroyed, but expresses confidence he will go on to another existence. He declares that &quot;his children believe [he] is a god.&quot; ([[Razor]])<br /> <br /> ==See Also==<br /> <br /> *[[Opera House Prophecy]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=External_visions&diff=179245 2009-04-23T05:52:45Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Roslin&#039;s dreams */</p> <hr /> <div>{{cleanup}}<br /> <br /> Many characters appear to receive dreams, visions, messages and compulsions from outside themselves. Some turn out to be [[humanoid Cylon]]s, but several are not.<br /> <br /> ==Dreams and Visions==<br /> ===Roslin's dreams===<br /> *A few months after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], [[Laura Roslin]] dreams that she is being pursued through a forest by a group of Marines. A copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] saves her, and then appears to be sucked away. Later, a copy of Leoben Conoy is found to be stowed away in the fleet, and he is executed by being sucked out an airlock exactly as he was in Roslin's dream ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> *Roslin, possibly under the influence of [[chamalla]] experiences several visions, including of Kobol as it was, and of serpents, 2 and 10.<br /> *Roslin, taking [[chamalla]] again, experiences a dream of the [[Opera House|Opera House Prophecy]] where she wears an unusual brocade dress and appears younger than normal. In this dream, she chases [[Hera Agathon]] and encounters [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Caprica Six]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and the glowing figures of the [[Final Five]]. It is later discovered that Sharon and Six also experience the same vision ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br /> *The vision of the Opera House continues, with further visions of the [[Final Five]].<br /> *Roslin dreams she is on a ferry with [[Emily Kowalski]] on a river which borders the afterlife. Kowalski sees her dead family on shore, and goes to join them. This matches a description Kowalski made earlier of one of her own dreams. Roslin sees her own family as well, but tells them she is not ready. When she awakens she discovers that Kowalski has in fact died during Roslin's sleep. Baltar has been speaking frequently of the river seen in the dream ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> ===The Music===<br /> <br /> Four people hear a [[The Music|mysterious melody]]. It makes them compulsive, so that they subconsciously recite lines from the song, before they eventually congregate in a room where they become aware that they are Cylons; members of the [[Final Five]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). Later, these four again hear fragments of the music and are drawn to the pristine Viper in which [[Kara Thrace]] returned from her supposed death. That Viper turns out to be able to receive a signal which serves a beacon towards [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Thrace thinks that the message is coming from a &quot;higher power.&quot; ([[Revelations]])<br /> <br /> ===Number Three's dreams and vision===<br /> *The [[Number Three|Three]] acting as an overseer on New Caprica dreams that she visits the tent of [[Dodona Selloi]]. Three goes to visit Selloi when she awakens, and Selloi tells her she has a message from the Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]]: [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] is alive and Three will hold her in her arms. Selloi's predictions prove to be accurate; Baltar finds Hera in the aftermath of the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part I]] and [[Exodus, Part II|II]]).<br /> *After the Cylons leave New Caprica, Three dreams that she is aboard ''Galactica'', fleeing from a group of Marines. They corner her in front of a hatch marked &quot;end of line&quot; and execute her. When she awakens, Three orders a Centurion to shoot her, possibly believing her dream to be instruction from God. While she is downloading, Three finds herself in the [[Opera House]] on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] where Baltar's internal Six (above) showed him Hera's cradle. Five mysterious figures wearing white robes are also present ([[Hero]]).<br /> *In the [[Temple of Five]] she enters a beam of light at the moment of the Nova, and again sees herself in the Opera House with the five white-robed beings. Baltar, standing next to her does not see this. After seeing the vision, she dies, bleeding from the head ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> ===Starbuck's Mandala===<br /> [[Kara Thrace]] has, since childhood, had an image in her head identical to the drawings in the [[Temple of Five]] believed to be the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. She drew it in large on the walls of her home on Caprica. She is not aware of the source of the image (&quot;[[Valley of Darkness]]&quot;, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> ===Starbuck and Leoben===<br /> Starbuck states that she has been regularly having dreams about [[Leoben Conoy]] since she left New Caprica. She also apparently hallucinates Cylon Raiders on two separate occasions. While flying a Viper mission, she has a flashback to her [[Socrata Thrace|mother's]] death, however a [[Virtual Leoben|being who looks like Leoben]] (but who is not) appears in the flashback ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> <br /> ===Projection===<br /> Cylons employ a virtual reality technology called [[projection]] which provides a complete illusion of being in a different or imaginary space ([[Torn]]).<br /> <br /> ===Tomb of Athena===<br /> When the [[Tomb of Athena]] is activated, all present experience a realistic 3-D virtual reality environment showing a grassy field at night with a modified version of the night sky of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. It is unclear if the objects provide tactile feedback, or whether this is an optical &quot;holodeck&quot; effect or fed directly into their brains ([[Home, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Adama's Hybrid Vision===<br /> When young [[William Adama]] places his hand into a liquid filled tank on a Cylon base near the end of the first Cylon War, he perceives a vision of a hand grabbing him from the tank, and sees tortured people around the walls. As the vision ends, the hand releases him, then vanishes. He hears the voice of the [[First Hybrid]] telling him that &quot;all this has happened before...&quot; He does encounter real people locked in the next room, but is unable to free them ([[Razor]]).<br /> <br /> ===Final Five Hallucinations===<br /> Two of the revealed [[Final Five]] have experienced realistic visions or hallucinations.<br /> <br /> [[Saul Tigh]] repeatedly sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in the place of [[Caprica Six]] in her cell, dressed in Six's outfit. He also experiences some sort of hallucination, sufficient to distract him from urgent duty, of himself shooting William Adama in a manner similar to the way [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] did (&quot;[[Escape Velocity]]&quot;, &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> [[Galen Tyrol]], while conversing with Admiral Adama hears and sees him say, &quot;I guess she just couldn't take being married to a Cylon, being mother of a half-breed abomination.&quot;, although the admiral does not say this ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br /> <br /> ==Virtual Beings==<br /> :''Main article: [[Virtual beings]], describing Baltar's inner Six and Caprica Six's inner Baltar.<br /> <br /> ==Compulsions==<br /> Several characters engage in behavior seemingly driven by forces outside themselves. The Music, cited above as a vision, also triggers a compulsion.<br /> ===Boomer's Compulsions===<br /> [[Sharon Valerii]] undergoes several unconscious compulsions to sabotage Fleet operations. Eventually these push her to shoot [[William Adama]], revealing her as a [[Cylon agent]]. She has been programmed to think she is human, the compulsions were the result of her special programming (&quot;[[Water]]&quot;, &quot;[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> ===Tyrol's Compulsion===<br /> [[Galen Tyrol]] feels an unexplained compulsion on the [[algae planet]] to wander into the hills. He is drawn to the [[Temple of Five]] which he is unusually equipped to recognize ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). He is so drawn to the temple he disobeys direct orders to destroy it.<br /> <br /> Tyrol later hears the music, and learns that he is one of the [[Final Five]].<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Prophecies==<br /> A number of characters become aware of unusual information they should not know that is later confirmed.<br /> ===Selloi's Prophecy===<br /> [[Dodona Selloi]] reports receiving a message from the Cylon god regarding [[Hera Agathon]] along with other information. The prophecies are accurate. She does not appear to think it odd to pass on a message from the Cylon god, who otherwise is not apparently known to the Colonial faith ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> ===Leoben's Predictions===<br /> [[Leoben Conoy]] tells [[Kara Thrace]] she has a special destiny while she interrogates him, and repeats this at future meetings. He also recounts knowledge of her difficult history with her mother and predicts that the Fleet will find [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], which it will help them find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. However given that the Cylons probably know Kobol's location that that time, he could be anticipating this from the Fleet's course ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> <br /> During her bizarre imprisonment on New Caprica, he predicts that Kara will embrace him and tell him she loves him and that he has &quot;seen this.&quot;. When she returns for [[Kacey Brynn]] during her escape, it plays out exactly as he foretold, but he is also telling her to do so, making the prophecy self-fulfilled ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Yolanda Brenn===<br /> [[Yolanda Brenn]] recounts almost completely Leoben's statements to Thrace, and adds further details about her relationship with her mother ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> ===Unknown Oracles===<br /> [[Socrata Thrace]] consulted oracles during the youth of Kara. They informed her of her special destiny and this drove her to be far too tough with her daughter.&lt;ref&gt;[[Podcast:Maelstrom]].&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==First Hybrid==<br /> The [[first Hybrid]] declares that he has been waiting for his meeting with [[Kendra Shaw]] for a very long time, though he should not know her name. He also declares that [[Kara Thrace]] will &quot;lead humanity to its end&quot; and is the &quot;harbinger of death.&quot; He is aware he is about to be destroyed, but expresses confidence he will go on to another existence. He declares that &quot;his children believe [he] is a god.&quot; ([[Razor]])<br /> <br /> ==See Also==<br /> <br /> *[[Opera House Prophecy]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_House_Prophecy&diff=179244 2009-04-23T05:51:20Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>The Opera House Prophecy is a vision [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Caprica Six]] had repeatedly since the events of [[Crossroads, Part II]]. <br /> <br /> ==The Vision== <br /> *In the vision (which comes to them as a dream), Roslin and Sharon are chasing [[Hera]] through the Kobol Opera House and their part ends when Hera's taken by [[Baltar|Gaius Baltar]] and Caprica Six and goes through a door which closes behind them, closing Sharon and Roslin out. For Caprica Six the vision continues and she goes through the door and continues on through another door then turns around and sees the Final Five in white cloaks on a balcony. <br /> <br /> ==Attempts to Act On the Visions==<br /> *The three of them have this vision repeatedly and the Rebel Hybrid prophecises that &quot;the Dying Leader (Roslin) shall know the truth of the Opera House.&quot; Roslin tries to get answers from the [[Hybrid]], but is unsucessful. Fear caused by this vision causes Sharon to kill Natalie, a Number Six copy she was worried was going to take Hera away from her. When Caprica Six gets pregnant, Roslin and Caprica Six realize that they've stopped having the vision, but it returns when Caprica Six miscarries. <br /> <br /> ==Vision Fulfilled==<br /> *In [[Daybreak, Part II]], Hera runs away from her parents after being rescued from the Colony with help from Boomer and Roslin senses her return and briefly protects her from being found but she runs off again. In a fulfilment of the vision, which sometimes the charchters see during the chase, Roslin and Sharon chase after Hera through ''Galactica'' and she gets taken by Caprica Six and Baltar who find her, but don't see Roslin and Sharon so they take her and close the hatch. When they reach what is the ''Galactica'' equivalant of the final door entered in the vision, bot realize they need to go through it and find themselves in CIC with the Final Five on the CIC balcony in a similar posistion to that of the vision. Soon after there is an explosion and a copy of [[Number One]] manages to grab Hera and hold her at gun point. Gaius tries to talk him down and [[Saul Tigh]] offers him Resurrection technology in exchange for Hera's life.<br /> <br /> ==Unanswered Questions==<br /> *Why doesn't Gaius Baltar experience the visions with the other participants?<br /> *Why do the visions stop with the conception of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]] and then restart after his death in utero?<br /> *When did Laura Roslin discover the &quot;truth of the Opera House&quot;?<br /> <br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=External_visions&diff=179243 2009-04-23T05:47:30Z

<p>Mishakal: /* See Also */</p> <hr /> <div>{{cleanup}}<br /> <br /> Many characters appear to receive dreams, visions, messages and compulsions from outside themselves. Some turn out to be [[humanoid Cylon]]s, but several are not.<br /> <br /> ==Dreams and Visions==<br /> ===Roslin's dreams===<br /> *A few months after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], [[Laura Roslin]] dreams that she is being pursued through a forest by a group of Marines. A copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] saves her, and then appears to be sucked away. Later, a copy of Leoben Conoy is found to be stowed away in the fleet, and he is executed by being sucked out an airlock exactly as he was in Roslin's dream ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> *Roslin, possibly under the influence of [[chamalla]] experiences several visions, including of Kobol as it was, and of serpents, 2 and 10.<br /> *Roslin, taking [[chamalla]] again, experiences a dream of the [[Opera House]] where she wears an unusual brocade dress and appears younger than normal. In this dream, she chases [[Hera Agathon]] and encounters [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Caprica Six]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and the glowing figures of the [[Final Five]]. It is later discovered that Sharon and Six also experience the same vision ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br /> *The vision of the Opera House continues, with further visions of the [[Final Five]].<br /> *Roslin dreams she is on a ferry with [[Emily Kowalski]] on a river which borders the afterlife. Kowalski sees her dead family on shore, and goes to join them. This matches a description Kowalski made earlier of one of her own dreams. Roslin sees her own family as well, but tells them she is not ready. When she awakens she discovers that Kowalski has in fact died during Roslin's sleep. Baltar has been speaking frequently of the river seen in the dream ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> ===The Music===<br /> <br /> Four people hear a [[The Music|mysterious melody]]. It makes them compulsive, so that they subconsciously recite lines from the song, before they eventually congregate in a room where they become aware that they are Cylons; members of the [[Final Five]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). Later, these four again hear fragments of the music and are drawn to the pristine Viper in which [[Kara Thrace]] returned from her supposed death. That Viper turns out to be able to receive a signal which serves a beacon towards [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Thrace thinks that the message is coming from a &quot;higher power.&quot; ([[Revelations]])<br /> <br /> ===Number Three's dreams and vision===<br /> *The [[Number Three|Three]] acting as an overseer on New Caprica dreams that she visits the tent of [[Dodona Selloi]]. Three goes to visit Selloi when she awakens, and Selloi tells her she has a message from the Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]]: [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] is alive and Three will hold her in her arms. Selloi's predictions prove to be accurate; Baltar finds Hera in the aftermath of the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part I]] and [[Exodus, Part II|II]]).<br /> *After the Cylons leave New Caprica, Three dreams that she is aboard ''Galactica'', fleeing from a group of Marines. They corner her in front of a hatch marked &quot;end of line&quot; and execute her. When she awakens, Three orders a Centurion to shoot her, possibly believing her dream to be instruction from God. While she is downloading, Three finds herself in the [[Opera House]] on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] where Baltar's internal Six (above) showed him Hera's cradle. Five mysterious figures wearing white robes are also present ([[Hero]]).<br /> *In the [[Temple of Five]] she enters a beam of light at the moment of the Nova, and again sees herself in the Opera House with the five white-robed beings. Baltar, standing next to her does not see this. After seeing the vision, she dies, bleeding from the head ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> ===Starbuck's Mandala===<br /> [[Kara Thrace]] has, since childhood, had an image in her head identical to the drawings in the [[Temple of Five]] believed to be the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. She drew it in large on the walls of her home on Caprica. She is not aware of the source of the image (&quot;[[Valley of Darkness]]&quot;, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> ===Starbuck and Leoben===<br /> Starbuck states that she has been regularly having dreams about [[Leoben Conoy]] since she left New Caprica. She also apparently hallucinates Cylon Raiders on two separate occasions. While flying a Viper mission, she has a flashback to her [[Socrata Thrace|mother's]] death, however a [[Virtual Leoben|being who looks like Leoben]] (but who is not) appears in the flashback ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> <br /> ===Projection===<br /> Cylons employ a virtual reality technology called [[projection]] which provides a complete illusion of being in a different or imaginary space ([[Torn]]).<br /> <br /> ===Tomb of Athena===<br /> When the [[Tomb of Athena]] is activated, all present experience a realistic 3-D virtual reality environment showing a grassy field at night with a modified version of the night sky of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. It is unclear if the objects provide tactile feedback, or whether this is an optical &quot;holodeck&quot; effect or fed directly into their brains ([[Home, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Adama's Hybrid Vision===<br /> When young [[William Adama]] places his hand into a liquid filled tank on a Cylon base near the end of the first Cylon War, he perceives a vision of a hand grabbing him from the tank, and sees tortured people around the walls. As the vision ends, the hand releases him, then vanishes. He hears the voice of the [[First Hybrid]] telling him that &quot;all this has happened before...&quot; He does encounter real people locked in the next room, but is unable to free them ([[Razor]]).<br /> <br /> ===Final Five Hallucinations===<br /> Two of the revealed [[Final Five]] have experienced realistic visions or hallucinations.<br /> <br /> [[Saul Tigh]] repeatedly sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in the place of [[Caprica Six]] in her cell, dressed in Six's outfit. He also experiences some sort of hallucination, sufficient to distract him from urgent duty, of himself shooting William Adama in a manner similar to the way [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] did (&quot;[[Escape Velocity]]&quot;, &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> [[Galen Tyrol]], while conversing with Admiral Adama hears and sees him say, &quot;I guess she just couldn't take being married to a Cylon, being mother of a half-breed abomination.&quot;, although the admiral does not say this ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br /> <br /> ==Virtual Beings==<br /> :''Main article: [[Virtual beings]], describing Baltar's inner Six and Caprica Six's inner Baltar.<br /> <br /> ==Compulsions==<br /> Several characters engage in behavior seemingly driven by forces outside themselves. The Music, cited above as a vision, also triggers a compulsion.<br /> ===Boomer's Compulsions===<br /> [[Sharon Valerii]] undergoes several unconscious compulsions to sabotage Fleet operations. Eventually these push her to shoot [[William Adama]], revealing her as a [[Cylon agent]]. She has been programmed to think she is human, the compulsions were the result of her special programming (&quot;[[Water]]&quot;, &quot;[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> ===Tyrol's Compulsion===<br /> [[Galen Tyrol]] feels an unexplained compulsion on the [[algae planet]] to wander into the hills. He is drawn to the [[Temple of Five]] which he is unusually equipped to recognize ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). He is so drawn to the temple he disobeys direct orders to destroy it.<br /> <br /> Tyrol later hears the music, and learns that he is one of the [[Final Five]].<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Prophecies==<br /> A number of characters become aware of unusual information they should not know that is later confirmed.<br /> ===Selloi's Prophecy===<br /> [[Dodona Selloi]] reports receiving a message from the Cylon god regarding [[Hera Agathon]] along with other information. The prophecies are accurate. She does not appear to think it odd to pass on a message from the Cylon god, who otherwise is not apparently known to the Colonial faith ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> ===Leoben's Predictions===<br /> [[Leoben Conoy]] tells [[Kara Thrace]] she has a special destiny while she interrogates him, and repeats this at future meetings. He also recounts knowledge of her difficult history with her mother and predicts that the Fleet will find [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], which it will help them find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. However given that the Cylons probably know Kobol's location that that time, he could be anticipating this from the Fleet's course ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> <br /> During her bizarre imprisonment on New Caprica, he predicts that Kara will embrace him and tell him she loves him and that he has &quot;seen this.&quot;. When she returns for [[Kacey Brynn]] during her escape, it plays out exactly as he foretold, but he is also telling her to do so, making the prophecy self-fulfilled ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Yolanda Brenn===<br /> [[Yolanda Brenn]] recounts almost completely Leoben's statements to Thrace, and adds further details about her relationship with her mother ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> ===Unknown Oracles===<br /> [[Socrata Thrace]] consulted oracles during the youth of Kara. They informed her of her special destiny and this drove her to be far too tough with her daughter.&lt;ref&gt;[[Podcast:Maelstrom]].&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==First Hybrid==<br /> The [[first Hybrid]] declares that he has been waiting for his meeting with [[Kendra Shaw]] for a very long time, though he should not know her name. He also declares that [[Kara Thrace]] will &quot;lead humanity to its end&quot; and is the &quot;harbinger of death.&quot; He is aware he is about to be destroyed, but expresses confidence he will go on to another existence. He declares that &quot;his children believe [he] is a god.&quot; ([[Razor]])<br /> <br /> ==See Also==<br /> <br /> *[[Opera House Prophecy]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_House_Prophecy&diff=179242 2009-04-23T05:47:20Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>The Opera House Prophecy is a vision [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Caprica Six]] had repeatedly since the events of [[Crossroads Part 1]]. <br /> <br /> ==The Vision== <br /> *In the vision (which comes to them as a dream), Roslin and Sharon are chasing [[Hera]] through the Kobol Opera House and their part ends when Hera's taken by [[Baltar|Gaius Baltar]] and Caprica Six and goes through a door which closes behind them, closing Sharon and Roslin out. For Caprica Six the vision continues and she goes through the door and continues on through another door then turns around and sees the Final Five in white cloaks on a balcony. <br /> <br /> ==Attempts to Act On the Visions==<br /> *The three of them have this vision repeatedly and the Rebel Hybrid prophecises that &quot;the Dying Leader (Roslin) shall know the truth of the Opera House.&quot; Roslin tries to get answers from the [[Hybrid]], but is unsucessful. Fear caused by this vision causes Sharon to kill Natalie, a Number Six copy she was worried was going to take Hera away from her. When Caprica Six gets pregnant, Roslin and Caprica Six realize that they've stopped having the vision, but it returns when Caprica Six miscarries. <br /> <br /> ==Vision Fulfilled==<br /> *In [[Daybreak Part 2]], Hera runs away from her parents after being rescued from the Colony with help from Boomer and Roslin senses her return and briefly protects her from being found but she runs off again. In a fulfilment of the vision, which sometimes the charchters see during the chase, Roslin and Sharon chase after Hera through ''Galactica'' and she gets taken by Caprica Six and Baltar who find her, but don't see Roslin and Sharon so they take her and close the hatch. When they reach what is the ''Galactica'' equivalant of the final door entered in the vision, bot realize they need to go through it and find themselves in CIC with the Final Five on the CIC balcony in a similar posistion to that of the vision. Soon after there is an explosion and a copy of [[Number One]] manages to grab Hera and hold her at gun point. Gaius tries to talk him down and [[Saul Tigh]] offers him Resurrection technology in exchange for Hera's life.<br /> <br /> ==Unanswered Questions==<br /> *Why doesn't Gaius Baltar experience the visions with the other participants?<br /> *Why do the visions stop with the conception of [[Liam Tigh]] and then restart after his death in utero?<br /> *When did Laura Roslin discover the &quot;truth of the Opera House&quot;?<br /> <br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_House_Prophecy&diff=179241 2009-04-23T05:45:42Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>The Opera House Prophecy is a vision [Sharon Agathon], [Laura Roslin] and [Caprica Six] had repeatedly since the events of [Crossroads Part 1]. <br /> <br /> ==The Vision== <br /> *In the vision (which comes to them as a dream), Roslin and Sharon are chasing [Hera] through the Kobol Opera House and their part ends when Hera's taken by [Baltar|Gaius Baltar] and Caprica Six and goes through a door which closes behind them, closing Sharon and Roslin out. For Caprica Six the vision continues and she goes through the door and continues on through another door then turns around and sees the Final Five in white cloaks on a balcony. <br /> <br /> ==Attempts to Act On the Visions==<br /> *The three of them have this vision repeatedly and the Rebel Hybrid prophecises that &quot;the Dying Leader (Roslin) shall know the truth of the Opera House.&quot; Roslin tries to get answers from the [Hybrid], but is unsucessful. Fear caused by this vision causes Sharon to kill Natalie, a Number Six copy she was worried was going to take Hera away from her. When Caprica Six gets pregnant, Roslin and Caprica Six realize that they've stopped having the vision, but it returns when Caprica Six miscarries. <br /> <br /> ==Vision Fulfilled==<br /> *In [Daybreak Part 2], Hera runs away from her parents after being rescued from the Colony with help from Boomer and Roslin senses her return and briefly protects her from being found but she runs off again. In a fulfilment of the vision, which sometimes the charchters see during the chase, Roslin and Sharon chase after Hera through ''Galactica'' and she gets taken by Caprica Six and Baltar who find her, but don't see Roslin and Sharon so they take her and close the hatch. When they reach what is the ''Galactica'' equivalant of the final door entered in the vision, bot realize they need to go through it and find themselves in CIC with the Final Five on the CIC balcony in a similar posistion to that of the vision. Soon after there is an explosion and a copy of [Number One] manages to grab Hera and hold her at gun point. Gaius tries to talk him down and [Saul Tigh] offers him Resurrection technology in exchange for Hera's life.<br /> <br /> ==Unanswered Questions==<br /> *Why doesn't Gaius Baltar experience the visions with the other participants?<br /> *Why do the visions stop with the conception of [Liam Tigh] and then restart after his death in utero?<br /> *When did Laura Roslin discover the &quot;truth of the Opera House&quot;?<br /> <br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=External_visions&diff=179240 2009-04-23T05:44:45Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>{{cleanup}}<br /> <br /> Many characters appear to receive dreams, visions, messages and compulsions from outside themselves. Some turn out to be [[humanoid Cylon]]s, but several are not.<br /> <br /> ==Dreams and Visions==<br /> ===Roslin's dreams===<br /> *A few months after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], [[Laura Roslin]] dreams that she is being pursued through a forest by a group of Marines. A copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] saves her, and then appears to be sucked away. Later, a copy of Leoben Conoy is found to be stowed away in the fleet, and he is executed by being sucked out an airlock exactly as he was in Roslin's dream ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> *Roslin, possibly under the influence of [[chamalla]] experiences several visions, including of Kobol as it was, and of serpents, 2 and 10.<br /> *Roslin, taking [[chamalla]] again, experiences a dream of the [[Opera House]] where she wears an unusual brocade dress and appears younger than normal. In this dream, she chases [[Hera Agathon]] and encounters [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Caprica Six]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and the glowing figures of the [[Final Five]]. It is later discovered that Sharon and Six also experience the same vision ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br /> *The vision of the Opera House continues, with further visions of the [[Final Five]].<br /> *Roslin dreams she is on a ferry with [[Emily Kowalski]] on a river which borders the afterlife. Kowalski sees her dead family on shore, and goes to join them. This matches a description Kowalski made earlier of one of her own dreams. Roslin sees her own family as well, but tells them she is not ready. When she awakens she discovers that Kowalski has in fact died during Roslin's sleep. Baltar has been speaking frequently of the river seen in the dream ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> ===The Music===<br /> <br /> Four people hear a [[The Music|mysterious melody]]. It makes them compulsive, so that they subconsciously recite lines from the song, before they eventually congregate in a room where they become aware that they are Cylons; members of the [[Final Five]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). Later, these four again hear fragments of the music and are drawn to the pristine Viper in which [[Kara Thrace]] returned from her supposed death. That Viper turns out to be able to receive a signal which serves a beacon towards [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Thrace thinks that the message is coming from a &quot;higher power.&quot; ([[Revelations]])<br /> <br /> ===Number Three's dreams and vision===<br /> *The [[Number Three|Three]] acting as an overseer on New Caprica dreams that she visits the tent of [[Dodona Selloi]]. Three goes to visit Selloi when she awakens, and Selloi tells her she has a message from the Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]]: [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] is alive and Three will hold her in her arms. Selloi's predictions prove to be accurate; Baltar finds Hera in the aftermath of the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part I]] and [[Exodus, Part II|II]]).<br /> *After the Cylons leave New Caprica, Three dreams that she is aboard ''Galactica'', fleeing from a group of Marines. They corner her in front of a hatch marked &quot;end of line&quot; and execute her. When she awakens, Three orders a Centurion to shoot her, possibly believing her dream to be instruction from God. While she is downloading, Three finds herself in the [[Opera House]] on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] where Baltar's internal Six (above) showed him Hera's cradle. Five mysterious figures wearing white robes are also present ([[Hero]]).<br /> *In the [[Temple of Five]] she enters a beam of light at the moment of the Nova, and again sees herself in the Opera House with the five white-robed beings. Baltar, standing next to her does not see this. After seeing the vision, she dies, bleeding from the head ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> ===Starbuck's Mandala===<br /> [[Kara Thrace]] has, since childhood, had an image in her head identical to the drawings in the [[Temple of Five]] believed to be the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. She drew it in large on the walls of her home on Caprica. She is not aware of the source of the image (&quot;[[Valley of Darkness]]&quot;, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> ===Starbuck and Leoben===<br /> Starbuck states that she has been regularly having dreams about [[Leoben Conoy]] since she left New Caprica. She also apparently hallucinates Cylon Raiders on two separate occasions. While flying a Viper mission, she has a flashback to her [[Socrata Thrace|mother's]] death, however a [[Virtual Leoben|being who looks like Leoben]] (but who is not) appears in the flashback ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> <br /> ===Projection===<br /> Cylons employ a virtual reality technology called [[projection]] which provides a complete illusion of being in a different or imaginary space ([[Torn]]).<br /> <br /> ===Tomb of Athena===<br /> When the [[Tomb of Athena]] is activated, all present experience a realistic 3-D virtual reality environment showing a grassy field at night with a modified version of the night sky of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. It is unclear if the objects provide tactile feedback, or whether this is an optical &quot;holodeck&quot; effect or fed directly into their brains ([[Home, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Adama's Hybrid Vision===<br /> When young [[William Adama]] places his hand into a liquid filled tank on a Cylon base near the end of the first Cylon War, he perceives a vision of a hand grabbing him from the tank, and sees tortured people around the walls. As the vision ends, the hand releases him, then vanishes. He hears the voice of the [[First Hybrid]] telling him that &quot;all this has happened before...&quot; He does encounter real people locked in the next room, but is unable to free them ([[Razor]]).<br /> <br /> ===Final Five Hallucinations===<br /> Two of the revealed [[Final Five]] have experienced realistic visions or hallucinations.<br /> <br /> [[Saul Tigh]] repeatedly sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in the place of [[Caprica Six]] in her cell, dressed in Six's outfit. He also experiences some sort of hallucination, sufficient to distract him from urgent duty, of himself shooting William Adama in a manner similar to the way [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] did (&quot;[[Escape Velocity]]&quot;, &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> [[Galen Tyrol]], while conversing with Admiral Adama hears and sees him say, &quot;I guess she just couldn't take being married to a Cylon, being mother of a half-breed abomination.&quot;, although the admiral does not say this ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br /> <br /> ==Virtual Beings==<br /> :''Main article: [[Virtual beings]], describing Baltar's inner Six and Caprica Six's inner Baltar.<br /> <br /> ==Compulsions==<br /> Several characters engage in behavior seemingly driven by forces outside themselves. The Music, cited above as a vision, also triggers a compulsion.<br /> ===Boomer's Compulsions===<br /> [[Sharon Valerii]] undergoes several unconscious compulsions to sabotage Fleet operations. Eventually these push her to shoot [[William Adama]], revealing her as a [[Cylon agent]]. She has been programmed to think she is human, the compulsions were the result of her special programming (&quot;[[Water]]&quot;, &quot;[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> ===Tyrol's Compulsion===<br /> [[Galen Tyrol]] feels an unexplained compulsion on the [[algae planet]] to wander into the hills. He is drawn to the [[Temple of Five]] which he is unusually equipped to recognize ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). He is so drawn to the temple he disobeys direct orders to destroy it.<br /> <br /> Tyrol later hears the music, and learns that he is one of the [[Final Five]].<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Prophecies==<br /> A number of characters become aware of unusual information they should not know that is later confirmed.<br /> ===Selloi's Prophecy===<br /> [[Dodona Selloi]] reports receiving a message from the Cylon god regarding [[Hera Agathon]] along with other information. The prophecies are accurate. She does not appear to think it odd to pass on a message from the Cylon god, who otherwise is not apparently known to the Colonial faith ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> ===Leoben's Predictions===<br /> [[Leoben Conoy]] tells [[Kara Thrace]] she has a special destiny while she interrogates him, and repeats this at future meetings. He also recounts knowledge of her difficult history with her mother and predicts that the Fleet will find [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], which it will help them find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. However given that the Cylons probably know Kobol's location that that time, he could be anticipating this from the Fleet's course ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> <br /> During her bizarre imprisonment on New Caprica, he predicts that Kara will embrace him and tell him she loves him and that he has &quot;seen this.&quot;. When she returns for [[Kacey Brynn]] during her escape, it plays out exactly as he foretold, but he is also telling her to do so, making the prophecy self-fulfilled ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ===Yolanda Brenn===<br /> [[Yolanda Brenn]] recounts almost completely Leoben's statements to Thrace, and adds further details about her relationship with her mother ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> ===Unknown Oracles===<br /> [[Socrata Thrace]] consulted oracles during the youth of Kara. They informed her of her special destiny and this drove her to be far too tough with her daughter.&lt;ref&gt;[[Podcast:Maelstrom]].&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==First Hybrid==<br /> The [[first Hybrid]] declares that he has been waiting for his meeting with [[Kendra Shaw]] for a very long time, though he should not know her name. He also declares that [[Kara Thrace]] will &quot;lead humanity to its end&quot; and is the &quot;harbinger of death.&quot; He is aware he is about to be destroyed, but expresses confidence he will go on to another existence. He declares that &quot;his children believe [he] is a god.&quot; ([[Razor]])<br /> <br /> ==See Also==<br /> <br /> *[Opera House Prophecy]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_House_Prophecy&diff=179239 2009-04-23T05:44:17Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>The Opera House Prophecy is a vision [Sharon Agathon], [Laura Roslin] and [Caprica Six] have repeatedly since the end of season 3. <br /> <br /> ==The Vision== <br /> *In the vision (which comes to them as a dream), Roslin and Sharon are chasing [Hera] through the Kobol Opera House and their part ends when Hera's taken by [Baltar|Gaius Baltar] and Caprica Six and goes through a door which closes behind them, closing Sharon and Roslin out. For Caprica Six the vision continues and she goes through the door and continues on through another door then turns around and sees the Final Five in white cloaks on a balcony. <br /> <br /> ==Attempts to Act On the Visions==<br /> *The three of them have this vision repeatedly and the Rebel Hybrid prophecises that &quot;the Dying Leader (Roslin) shall know the truth of the Opera House.&quot; Roslin tries to get answers from the [Hybrid], but is unsucessful. Fear caused by this vision causes Sharon to kill Natalie, a Number Six copy she was worried was going to take Hera away from her. When Caprica Six gets pregnant, Roslin and Caprica Six realize that they've stopped having the vision, but it returns when Caprica Six miscarries. <br /> <br /> ==Vision Fulfilled=<br /> *In [Daybreak Part 2], Hera runs away from her parents after being rescued from the Colony with help from Boomer and Roslin senses her return and briefly protects her from being found but she runs off again. In a fulfilment of the vision, which sometimes the charchters see during the chase, Roslin and Sharon chase after Hera through ''Galactica'' and she gets taken by Caprica Six and Baltar who find her, but don't see Roslin and Sharon so they take her and close the hatch. When they reach what is the ''Galactica'' equivalant of the final door entered in the vision, bot realize they need to go through it and find themselves in CIC with the Final Five on the CIC balcony in a similar posistion to that of the vision. Soon after there is an explosion and a copy of [Number One] manages to grab Hera and hold her at gun point. Gaius tries to talk him down and [Saul Tigh] offers him Resurrection technology in exchange for Hera's life.<br /> <br /> ==Unanswered Questions==<br /> *Why doesn't Gaius Baltar experience the visions with the other participants?<br /> *Why do the visions stop with the conception of [Liam Tigh] and then restart after his death in utero?<br /> *When did Laura Roslin discover the &quot;truth of the Opera House&quot;?<br /> <br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173628 2009-02-18T06:47:34Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Analysis */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of Centurions firing upon humans during the events of [[Razor]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models are known]]--one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] tends to [[Samuel Anders]]'s bullet wound to the head inflicted during the mutiny. He prepares to drill holes in Anders's head to relieve pressure from the hematoma caused by the bullet lodged in his skull. <br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;Is that right? So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl&quot;]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made the intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Cylons, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Thirteenth Tribe merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen replies that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some liquor in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of [[The Colony]] where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that the warning signs they all saw on Earth were different as well, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters. After washing his face, he begins to see the unraveling of his battlestar within his own cabin...cracks in the bathroom wall.<br /> <br /> * Back in time, on the baseship, Sharon Valerii looks down at the sketch of Saul Tigh and asks Ellen how she can deal with the possibility that he may hate her for everything that she's done. Ellen responds that, maybe, Saul doesn't despise her, because &quot;love is like that sometimes.&quot;<br /> * Valerii hands her a gown to wear for surgery, but Ellen refuses it, believing it to be one of John's last acts of humiliation. She says, &quot;You should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]],&quot; to Valerii's confusion. &quot;Never mind. Let's get this over with,&quot; Ellen says as Valerii escorts her away.<br /> * As they make their way down a hallway in the baseship, Ellen tries to plead with Valerii, asking her if she really wants to go through with John's vivisection of Ellen. Valerii responds that she has thought about it--and directs Ellen into the seat of a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii guides the Raptor out into space. Under gunfire from launched Raiders, the Raptor jumps to safety.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief. Do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * Ellen Tigh remarks to [[Sharon Valerii]] when she comes to escort Ellen to surgery that she &quot;...should have brought a tumbrel.&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] On Earth during the French Revolution in the 1780's, many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in a tumbrel. Ellen was sardonically referring to this in her remark to Valerii. Depending on the historical relationship of real life events and the Colonies in the show-if any-maybe she was referring directly to the French Revolution or a similar parallel event on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies.<br /> * Inchon is the name of a port city in Korea and it was the location of a major battle during the Korean War. During the battle, UN forces under the command of General Douglas MacArthur turned the tables on their communist adversaries and went on to drive the North Korean Army out of the Korean peninsula entirely.<br /> * Anders' seemingly incoherent ramblings in the beginning of the episode include lines from Milton's Paradise Lost: &quot;he it was, whose guile/Stird up with Envy and Revenge, deceiv'd The Mother of Mankind&quot; (Book I, ln. 34-5); &quot;The mind is its own place, and in it self/Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.&quot; (ibid. ln. 254-55)<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *When Ellen was resurrected, her reaction to the event was very similar to Boomer's first resurrection in Downloaded. However, unlike Boomer, it appears that Ellen's original memories were reactivated and immediately her fear disappeared. This seems to indicate that the memory block that each of the Final Five had imposed on them is limited to their particular physical body. If all Five were killed and allowed to resurrect into new bodies, they would have regained their memories and original personalities.<br /> **The resurrected Ellen has a starkly completely different personality and attitude compared to her &quot;false memories&quot; counterpart. This Ellen carries many motherly qualities and even has shown love, sadness, and care towards Cavil (John), and is far more intelligent.<br /> **Anders also shows signs of a more intelligent and spiritual personality upon regaining his memories.<br /> *Cavil's attempt to block the memories of the Final Five was not completely successful. Numerous times, especially their time on the post-nuclear Earth, memories from their past would resurface. This explains how:<br /> :#Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five.<br /> :#The visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory, and Tigh had on Earth.<br /> *Cavil not only knew about the Final Five, but he purposely kept their identities a secret and perhaps erased their identities from any other Cylon that knew. According to Ellen and Anders, Cavil (John) had developed a warped sense of morality. This morality eventually led to his killing of the Final Five and boxing of their personalities. His path eventually devolved to actions motivated by sadism and jealously upon which he would allow each of the Final Five to be resurrected, but with no memories of their past and implanted with false memories. His motivation for this act was to show the Five how unworthy of existence that humans were. Given that he kept at least one body for each of them he ''wanted'' them to someday return but keep them secret unless they agreed with him like he did with Ellen.<br /> *Given Cavil's warped sense of justice, he is likely the Cylon that triggered the second war. He claims to want justice for the Centurions indicating he may have been the one that precipitated what happened.<br /> *Cavil may be lying somewhat about his motives: he claims that he wants justice for the Centurions being enslaved yet he basically did the same thing by putting the inhibitor in that made them non-sentient. If he truly wanted justice, he wouldn't have done that as it makes him just as bad.<br /> **Cavil's reaction to the Rebel Cylons' disabling of the neural inhibitor may be based on his knowledge of what had occurred with the 13th Tribe's Centurions and with the 12 Colonies' Centurions. He may be worried that a third Centurion uprising would occur again.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after-effects of the mutiny as the wounded was in sickbay with an overflow of patients in the outside corridor. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aides. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of [[Peter Laird]] shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> *During Boomer's first meeting with Ellen, she offers Boomer an apple from a plate of food. In Judeo-Christian mythology apples are the fruit of the tree of knowledge that gave Adam and Eve knowledge at the price of their innocence. While Boomer declined the offered apple, she later did begin to think for herself and forgave Ellen for what she did to the Cylon race and helped her escape from Number One.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> *There are two possible reasons as to why Adama was unwilling initially to use Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica''.<br /> :#It stemmed from Adama's great love and pride in the ''Galactica''. This love was demonstrated several times during the course of the series, such as when he refused to allow a computer network to be installed. It was also seen in his facial and body reactions whenever he was confronted with the degraded condition of his ship. Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of ''Galactica'' in this episode further confirms this.<br /> :#Another possible reason for his insistence that no Cylon technology be installed in Galatica could be a reaction to prevent another mutiny on the ship. He had no qualms of upgrading ''Galactica's'' and the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology initially. He even permitted Cylons to do the installs originally, but post-mutiny, when confronted with needing a crew to repair ''Galactica's'' internal skeleton, Adama insisted on a human crew. His demand that the repairs be done without Cylon interface may have been a result of him trying to not repeat what had sparked the recently ended mutiny in the first place.<br /> *At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> *Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, the twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experimentation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). This was also alluded to near the end of the episode when Cavil explains to Ellen that they had progress significantly in obtaining memories. Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show; that said the issue ''was'' addressed in dialogue in &quot;[[Revelations]]&quot; when Adama pointed out how Tigh used to have hair when they met and reiterated the length of time he'd known him. <br /> * The Final Five can resurrect or &quot;reborn&quot; in the same fashion that the Significant Seven can. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely at this point given the loss of the Hub) might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programming. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that the Ones coding skills were limited in comparison to the Final Five's, and/or they had greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five (which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * Cavil (John) engages in actions that reveals traits of an [[Wikipedia:Oedipus Complex|Oedipus Complex]] In Greek mythology [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]] killed his own father and married his own mother, engaging in sexual relations and having children with her. However, Oedipus did not know at the time they were his parents. The sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in three senses: She is his creator and he is made in her father's physical image in addition to being given her father's name. In addition, he tortured and abused Saul Tigh, his father and husband of Ellen who where husband and wife both in the distant past and on New Caprica. The major difference is that they are not biologically related to Cavil (as far as it is known) and Cavil knew that Ellen and Tigh were his &quot;parents&quot; unlike Oedipus. <br /> * In the same vein, Cavil's relationship with Boomer is akin to brother-sister incest.<br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal, and like Oedipus, they didn't know the relationship to each other as &quot;father&quot; and &quot;daughter&quot; at the time of their first meetings. Currently, Saul and Caprica Six do know of the quasi parent-child relationship, as do Tyrol and Sharon Valerii. Cavil's relationship with Ellen and Tigh is more familial as seen thus far by the actions and words of Ellen including &quot;I love you John, because I made you,&quot; and her attempt to hug him implying a mother-son relationship. Since Saul Tigh and Caprica Six have no direct memory of their prior relationship, there are no feelings of pseudo-incestuous implications.<br /> *John Cavil's killing of Daniel, the Number 7 model and the destruction of the Seven's copies mirror the biblical (and Koran) story of [[Wikipedia:Cain and Abel|Cain and Abel]] in which Cain murders Abel to gain God's favor. God, Cain and Abel's creator (through [[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam and Eve]]) had favored Abel over Cain when he showed preference for an animal sacrifice Abel made over Cain's offering of food stuffs and Cain resented it. Similarly, Cavil felt that Ellen, his and Daniel's creator, favored Daniel over him (Ellen conceded the possibility that she did) and subsequently destroyed him. In a further parallel Cain was Adam and Eve's first born. Cavil was the first creation of the Final Five, hence his Number One designation while like Abel Daniel was a later birth, in Daniel's case, presumably, creation Number 7 making him Cavil's younger &quot;brother&quot; like Abel was to Cain. <br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multi-layered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place. He also fears that he truly is a disappointment to his creators.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt - something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Ander's brain, Ander's instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as Anders clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> *Right before his seizure, Sam Anders saw the other final four and Kara Thrace glowing in the same manner that [[Number Three|others]] have seen the Final Five in their visions (i.e. as glowing white figures). Is this an indication that Kara Thrace is [[Number Seven]] or some other type of Cylon?<br /> * Although we can now be sure that the Final Five had the same personal names in their old lives as they do now, none of their surnames have yet been used in relation to their original selves.<br /> *This episode further displays the Cavils' unity of thought and personality that none of the other models have displayed. After the destruction of the Hub, the original Cavil who started the Civil War, who called Boomer his 'pet Eight' was killed by D'Anna. However, the Cavil who provides a drink to Ellen carries the same thoughts and conclusions as the recently deceased Cavil. This further propagates the notion that the Cavils desire to be more machine than human as each particular Cavil does not appear to show any divergent or creative thought from each other. They appear to all share the same memories and train of thought while other models like the Sixes and Eights have shown time and time again that each individual in the model line can break from the pack so to speak.<br /> *In a not so subtle hint to the audience, when Boomer asks Ellen why would she want to love humans and who would she want to love, immediately the scene shifts to Tyrol walking to the waiting area outside of sickbay.<br /> *Ishay's cold response to Kara after Ander's surgery is a subtle hint of the disdain that Ishay has towards the Cylons. Unlike Doc Cottle who treats his patients the same, human or Cylon, Ishay's facial responses in the last couple of episodes have shown extreme discomfort of treating the Cylons. She will do her job, but her response to Kara's attempts to speak to Ander post-surgery displayed a cold-heartedness towards her &quot;patient.&quot; This flies against what is typically prescribed by doctors of comatose patients who would encourage family members to speak to their loved ones in order to stimulate brain activity and maybe revive their patients.<br /> *When Anders mentioned that the 12 Tribes' Centurions had already begun their attempt to create flesh bodies, this did not seem to surprise Anders. This may hint to the 13th Tribe's origins as they may have begun the same way. They as Cylons developed &quot;flesh&quot; bodies and the organic memory transfer technology on Kobol. However, after they found and settled on Earth, this resurrection technology was lost to time and had to be reinvented. The Final Five's negotiated deal with the 12 Tribes' Centurions seemed to be motivated by their desire to not repeat the cycle by giving the Centurions what the 13th Tribes ancestors had achieved. However, their reasoning for not allowing biological reproduction in the 8 humanoid models seemed to indicate a plan to bring Cylon and Human together.<br /> *It would appear that each humanoid Cylon model was given both a name and a model number by the Final Five. The Number One models prefer not to use names. This logically follows the pattern that the John/Cavil models have shown, that they prefer to be more machine than human, thus lean toward using an impersonal identification system vs. the personal names given to them by the Final Five.<br /> *This episode sheds light on why the D'Anna model were able to &quot;see&quot; the Final Five in their post-death and pre-resurrected states, but were unable to recall the faces definitively once they were resurrected into their physical bodies. The Cavils apparently had hardwired all of the Significant Sevens bodies to purposely block out any type of memory that involved the Final Five. They were programmed to not &quot;think&quot; of the Final Five, but as Ellen explained to Boomer, the Significant Seven were given &quot;free will&quot; and it apparently had overridden John's reprogramming.<br /> *The fact that a team of &quot;Simons&quot; were preparing to perform the neural surgery on Ellen suggests that at one point in time the Cavils had revealed Ellen's existence to at least the Number Fours. How much they know about her is not clear.<br /> *The Centurion's response to Ellen after her resurrection seems to indicate that the Centurions also know who the Final Five are. The Centurion's reluctance to help Ellen initially indicated that it was unsure whether it was allowed to help her, upon which she reassured it was allowed to.<br /> *The Centurions on Cavil's baseship appear to have not been tampered with or had their neural inhibitors restored as the Centurions on his baseship do not appear as curious of their surroundings as the Rebel Cylons' baseship centurions.<br /> *Ellen's motherly and kind tone towards the Centurion after her resurrection reinforces Anders' explanation later that the Final Five wanted to tell the 12 tribes to treat their Centurions well.<br /> *As he has been for several episodes, the Admiral is shown taking medicine for apparent pain. The nature of his ailment has not yet been revealed.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> ===Characters===<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War?<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * Did the Final Five use the same surnames before Cavil altered their memories, as well as the same first names?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship, especially if they recover their first hand memories of their old life? Will Tory reveal to Tyrol that she killed Cally?<br /> * Has either Ellen Tigh or Cavil told Boomer that Tyrol is a Cylon? Will this cause Boomer and Tyrol to rekindle their old relationship? Will the example of Saul Tigh and Caprica Six's pregnancy by him open up to her the possibility of it? <br /> * How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point? How will Boomer react to Athena? How would Athena react to Boomer?<br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of Cavil's plot?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> * What is the meaning of Anders' ramblings, reminiscent of the Book of Genesis, about the mother of mankind being deceived by one whose guile stirred with vengeance? Is there a connection to Ellen and Cavil?<br /> <br /> ===Number Seven===<br /> * Was [[Number Seven]] named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Besides Cavil, were the other Cylons aware of Number Seven's short-lived existence?<br /> <br /> ===The Cycle===<br /> * What is the exact nature of this Cycle? How long has it been going on for? Can it ever be broken?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions' form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])<br /> ** What happened to the Centurions that destroyed Earth?<br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power(which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Where do the Basestar hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Where does [[Kara Thrace]] fit into all of this?<br /> * Why has [[The Music|the song]] written by Anders become a special signal/trigger for the Final Five?<br /> <br /> ===Resurrection Technology===<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * Where is this [[The Colony|other colony]] that Ellen supposedly stored her resurrection equipment on? Does it have a name? Is Anders aware of it?<br /> * What is the status of the research ship the Final Five used to leave Earth 2000 years ago?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Did anyone else on Earth besides the Five contribute to the re-invention of the resurrection technology?<br /> <br /> ===Other Questions===<br /> * What became of the lower level mutineers in [[The Oath]] and [[Blood on the Scales]]? Were they prosecuted for their actions, or were they given an amnesty in spite of Adama's threat there would be no forgiveness for any mutineer? <br /> * How do Ellen and Boomer intend to locate the Fleet?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] be resolved?<br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> **Bio-engineering and jump drives represent different realms of technology and are not directly related. Progress in one is therefore not a prerequisite for progress in the other.<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> ** The 12 Tribes' Centurions/Cylons had over 40 years to improve upon Colonial Jump-technology. As it has been shown numerous times during the show, Cylons had developed technologies that are far-more advanced than Colonial technology. As they had 40 years of isolation to test and improve upon designs, it is not inconceivable to see how a race of cybernetic creatures would constantly improve upon technology. For example, the current line of Centurions vs. the original Centurions are far more advance in technology, battle effectiveness, and intelligence.<br /> * Right before going into surgery, Sam maniacally pleaded that Saul &quot;stay with the fleet&quot; and also mentioned that a &quot;miracle from the angels&quot; was coming. What is he referring to? Will Saul and the other Cylons heed his request?<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil since shortly after the Cylon occupation of Caprica. When she first downloaded, after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica, she still thought of herself as a human, had a human outlook, and hated her Cylon being. She even kept her old apartment on Caprica. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had, from her point of view, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil after the failure of the [[New Caprica]] occupation, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> :''Her attitude toward love seems not only to have been influenced by Cavil, but also is an reaction over her experiences of the failure of the New Caprica experiment and the rejection by [[Hera]], fellow Eight [[Sharon Agathon]]'s child from which she probably felt that being a Cylon she will never know the love of a child of her own. In reaction, she almost killed Hera but was prevented from doing so by Caprica Six. After which she seemed to had made the decision to follow the virulently anti-human Cavil, the very antithesis of what she previous believed. This is possibly a symptom of an emotional compensation coping mechanism due to her traumatic experiences.''<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> *[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Jane Espenson and Ryan Mottesheard about the episode:]<br /> * &quot;The Colony&quot; is definitely of significance.<br /> * The Earth was destroyed by an uprising of Centurions that the humanoid Cylons created.<br /> * Cavil kept at least one blank body for each of the Five. The fact that none were killed in the war until Ellen died at her husband's hands is a source of frustration for him.<br /> * Cavil probably wouldn't be happy in a metal body either.<br /> * Like the Ones and Sevens, the Twos, Threes, Fours, Fives, Sixes, and Eights did at one time know and interact with the Final Five, but the Ones corrupted their memories and programmed them not to think of the Final Five.<br /> * The Final Five, and presumably the whole Thirteenth Tribe, were originally polytheists like the other twelve tribes. They became monotheists after encountering the monotheistic Colonial Centurions, who believed in a loving and merciful God, a belief system the Final Five incorporated into the Significant Eight.<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''John Cavil had just shown a &quot;slide show&quot; - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his human form and his deep seated resentment to Ellen and the other Finals for foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John (repeats): No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? (sneering) With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs (gesturing to his eyes) in my skull! (disgusted) With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: '''I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN!''' I want to see [[Wikipedia:gamma rays|gamma rays!]] I want to hear [[Wikipedia:X-rays|X-rays!]] And I want to--I want to smell [[Wikipedia:dark matter|dark matter!]] Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to--I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! (closes eyes) And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me!! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! (softly) I can experience so much more. '''BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY?''' Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> :(Cavil walks out of the chamber)<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173627 2009-02-18T06:45:11Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Analysis */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of Centurions firing upon humans during the events of [[Razor]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models are known]]--one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] tends to [[Samuel Anders]]'s bullet wound to the head inflicted during the mutiny. He prepares to drill holes in Anders's head to relieve pressure from the hematoma caused by the bullet lodged in his skull. <br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;Is that right? So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl&quot;]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made the intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Cylons, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Thirteenth Tribe merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen replies that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some liquor in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of [[The Colony]] where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that the warning signs they all saw on Earth were different as well, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters. After washing his face, he begins to see the unraveling of his battlestar within his own cabin...cracks in the bathroom wall.<br /> <br /> * Back in time, on the baseship, Sharon Valerii looks down at the sketch of Saul Tigh and asks Ellen how she can deal with the possibility that he may hate her for everything that she's done. Ellen responds that, maybe, Saul doesn't despise her, because &quot;love is like that sometimes.&quot;<br /> * Valerii hands her a gown to wear for surgery, but Ellen refuses it, believing it to be one of John's last acts of humiliation. She says, &quot;You should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]],&quot; to Valerii's confusion. &quot;Never mind. Let's get this over with,&quot; Ellen says as Valerii escorts her away.<br /> * As they make their way down a hallway in the baseship, Ellen tries to plead with Valerii, asking her if she really wants to go through with John's vivisection of Ellen. Valerii responds that she has thought about it--and directs Ellen into the seat of a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii guides the Raptor out into space. Under gunfire from launched Raiders, the Raptor jumps to safety.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief. Do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * Ellen Tigh remarks to [[Sharon Valerii]] when she comes to escort Ellen to surgery that she &quot;...should have brought a tumbrel.&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] On Earth during the French Revolution in the 1780's, many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in a tumbrel. Ellen was sardonically referring to this in her remark to Valerii. Depending on the historical relationship of real life events and the Colonies in the show-if any-maybe she was referring directly to the French Revolution or a similar parallel event on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies.<br /> * Inchon is the name of a port city in Korea and it was the location of a major battle during the Korean War. During the battle, UN forces under the command of General Douglas MacArthur turned the tables on their communist adversaries and went on to drive the North Korean Army out of the Korean peninsula entirely.<br /> * Anders' seemingly incoherent ramblings in the beginning of the episode include lines from Milton's Paradise Lost: &quot;he it was, whose guile/Stird up with Envy and Revenge, deceiv'd The Mother of Mankind&quot; (Book I, ln. 34-5); &quot;The mind is its own place, and in it self/Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.&quot; (ibid. ln. 254-55)<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *When Ellen was resurrected, her reaction to the event was very similar to Boomer's first resurrection in Downloaded. However, unlike Boomer, it appears that Ellen's original memories were reactivated and immediately her fear disappeared. This seems to indicate that the memory block that each of the Final Five had imposed on them is limited to their particular physical body. If all Five were killed and allowed to resurrect into new bodies, they would have regained their memories and original personalities.<br /> **The resurrected Ellen has a starkly completely different personality and attitude compared to her &quot;false memories&quot; counterpart. This Ellen carries many motherly qualities and even has shown love, sadness, and care towards Cavil (John), and is far more intelligent.<br /> **Anders also shows signs of a more intelligent and spiritual personality upon regaining his memories.<br /> *Cavil's attempt to block the memories of the Final Five was not completely successful. Numerous times, especially their time on the post-nuclear Earth, memories from their past would resurface. This explains how:<br /> :#Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five.<br /> :#The visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory, and Tigh had on Earth.<br /> *Cavil not only knew about the Final Five, but he purposely kept their identities a secret and perhaps erased their identities from any other Cylon that knew. According to Ellen and Anders, Cavil (John) had developed a warped sense of morality. This morality eventually led to his killing of the Final Five and boxing of their personalities. His path eventually devolved to actions motivated by sadism and jealously upon which he would allow each of the Final Five to be resurrected, but with no memories of their past and implanted with false memories. His motivation for this act was to show the Five how unworthy of existence that humans were. Given that he kept at least one body for each of them he ''wanted'' them to someday return but keep them secret unless they agreed with him like he did with Ellen.<br /> *Given Cavil's warped sense of justice, he is likely the Cylon that triggered the second war. He claims to want justice for the Centurions indicating he may have been the one that precipitated what happened.<br /> *Cavil may be lying somewhat about his motives: he claims that he wants justice for the Centurions being enslaved yet he basically did the same thing by putting the inhibitor in that made them non-sentient. If he truly wanted justice, he wouldn't have done that as it makes him just as bad.<br /> **Cavil's reaction to the Rebel Cylons' disabling of the neural inhibitor may be based on his knowledge of what had occurred with the 13th Tribe's Centurions and with the 12 Colonies' Centurions. He may be worried that a third Centurion uprising would occur again.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after-effects of the mutiny as the wounded was in sickbay with an overflow of patients in the outside corridor. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aides. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of [[Peter Laird]] shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> *During Boomer's first meeting with Ellen, she offers Boomer an apple from a plate of food. In Judeo-Christian mythology apples are the fruit of the tree of knowledge that gave Adam and Eve knowledge at the price of their innocence. While Boomer declined the offered apple, she later did begin to think for herself and forgave Ellen for what she did to the Cylon race and helped her escape from Number One.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> *There are two possible reasons as to why Adama was unwilling initially to use Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica''.<br /> :#It stemmed from Adama's great love and pride in the ''Galactica''. This love was demonstrated several times during the course of the series, such as when he refused to allow a computer network to be installed. It was also seen in his facial and body reactions whenever he was confronted with the degraded condition of his ship. Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of ''Galactica'' in this episode further confirms this.<br /> :#Another possible reason for his insistence that no Cylon technology be installed in Galatica could be a reaction to prevent another mutiny on the ship. He had no qualms of upgrading ''Galactica's'' and the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology initially. He even permitted Cylons to do the installs originally, but post-mutiny, when confronted with needing a crew to repair ''Galactica's'' internal skeleton, Adama insisted on a human crew. His demand that the repairs be done without Cylon interface may have been a result of him trying to not repeat what had sparked the recently ended mutiny in the first place.<br /> *At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> *Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, the twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experimentation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). This was also alluded to near the end of the episode when Cavil explains to Ellen that they had progress significantly in obtaining memories. Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show; that said the issue ''was'' addressed in dialogue in &quot;[[Revelations]]&quot; when Adama pointed out how Tigh used to have hair when they met and reiterated the length of time he'd known him. <br /> * The Final Five can resurrect or &quot;reborn&quot; in the same fashion that the Significant Seven can. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely at this point given the loss of the Hub) might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programming. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that the Ones coding skills were limited in comparison to the Final Five's, and/or they had greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five (which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * Cavil (John) engages in actions that reveals traits of an [[Wikipedia:Oedipus Complex|Oedipus Complex]] In Greek mythology [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]] killed his own father and married his own mother, engaging in sexual relations and having children with her. However, Oedipus did not know at the time they were his parents. The sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in three senses: She is his creator and he is made in her father's physical image in addition to being given her father's name. In addition, he tortured and abused Saul Tigh, his father and husband of Ellen who where husband and wife both in the distant past and on New Caprica. The major difference is that they are not biologically related to Cavil (as far as it is known) and Cavil knew that Ellen and Tigh were his &quot;parents&quot; unlike Oedipus. <br /> * In the same vein, Cavil's relationship with Boomer is akin to brother-sister incest.<br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal, and like Oedipus, they didn't know the relationship to each other as &quot;father&quot; and &quot;daughter&quot; at the time of their first meetings. Currently, Saul and Caprica Six do know of the quasi parent-child relationship, as do Tyrol and Sharon Valerii. Cavil's relationship with Ellen and Tigh is more familial as seen thus far by the actions and words of Ellen including &quot;I love you John, because I made you,&quot; and her attempt to hug him implying a mother-son relationship. Since Saul Tigh and Caprica Six have no direct memory of their prior relationship, there are no feelings of pseudo-incestuous implications.<br /> *John Cavil's killing of Daniel, the Number 7 model and the destruction of the Seven's copies mirror the biblical (and Koran) story of [[Wikipedia:Cain and Abel|Cain and Abel]] in which Cain murders Abel to gain God's favor. God, Cain and Abel's creator (through [[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam and Eve]]) had favored Abel over Cain when he showed preference for an animal sacrifice Abel made over Cain's offering of food stuffs and Cain resented it. Similarly, Cavil felt that Ellen, his and Daniel's creator, favored Daniel over him (Ellen conceded the possibility that she did) and subsequently destroyed him. In a further parallel Cain was Adam and Eve's first born. Cavil was the first creation of the Final Five, hence his Number One designation while like Abel Daniel was a later birth, in Daniel's case, presumably, creation Number 7 making him Cavil's younger &quot;brother&quot; like Abel was to Cain. <br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multi-layered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place. He also fears that he truly is a disappointment to his creators.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt - something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Ander's brain, Ander's instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as Anders clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> *Right before his seizure, Sam Anders saw the other final four and Kara Thrace glowing in the same manner that [[Number Three|others&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;]] have seen the Final Five in their visions (i.e. as glowing white figures). Is this an indication that Kara Thrace is [[Number Seven]] or some other type of Cylon?<br /> * Although we can now be sure that the Final Five had the same personal names in their old lives as they do now, none of their surnames have yet been used in relation to their original selves.<br /> *This episode further displays the Cavils' unity of thought and personality that none of the other models have displayed. After the destruction of the Hub, the original Cavil who started the Civil War, who called Boomer his 'pet Eight' was killed by D'Anna. However, the Cavil who provides a drink to Ellen carries the same thoughts and conclusions as the recently deceased Cavil. This further propagates the notion that the Cavils desire to be more machine than human as each particular Cavil does not appear to show any divergent or creative thought from each other. They appear to all share the same memories and train of thought while other models like the Sixes and Eights have shown time and time again that each individual in the model line can break from the pack so to speak.<br /> *In a not so subtle hint to the audience, when Boomer asks Ellen why would she want to love humans and who would she want to love, immediately the scene shifts to Tyrol walking to the waiting area outside of sickbay.<br /> *Ishay's cold response to Kara after Ander's surgery is a subtle hint of the disdain that Ishay has towards the Cylons. Unlike Doc Cottle who treats his patients the same, human or Cylon, Ishay's facial responses in the last couple of episodes have shown extreme discomfort of treating the Cylons. She will do her job, but her response to Kara's attempts to speak to Ander post-surgery displayed a cold-heartedness towards her &quot;patient.&quot; This flies against what is typically prescribed by doctors of comatose patients who would encourage family members to speak to their loved ones in order to stimulate brain activity and maybe revive their patients.<br /> *When Anders mentioned that the 12 Tribes' Centurions had already begun their attempt to create flesh bodies, this did not seem to surprise Anders. This may hint to the 13th Tribe's origins as they may have begun the same way. They as Cylons developed &quot;flesh&quot; bodies and the organic memory transfer technology on Kobol. However, after they found and settled on Earth, this resurrection technology was lost to time and had to be reinvented. The Final Five's negotiated deal with the 12 Tribes' Centurions seemed to be motivated by their desire to not repeat the cycle by giving the Centurions what the 13th Tribes ancestors had achieved. However, their reasoning for not allowing biological reproduction in the 8 humanoid models seemed to indicate a plan to bring Cylon and Human together.<br /> *It would appear that each humanoid Cylon model was given both a name and a model number by the Final Five. The Number One models prefer not to use names. This logically follows the pattern that the John/Cavil models have shown, that they prefer to be more machine than human, thus lean toward using an impersonal identification system vs. the personal names given to them by the Final Five.<br /> *This episode sheds light on why the D'Anna model were able to &quot;see&quot; the Final Five in their post-death and pre-resurrected states, but were unable to recall the faces definitively once they were resurrected into their physical bodies. The Cavils apparently had hardwired all of the Significant Sevens bodies to purposely block out any type of memory that involved the Final Five. They were programmed to not &quot;think&quot; of the Final Five, but as Ellen explained to Boomer, the Significant Seven were given &quot;free will&quot; and it apparently had overridden John's reprogramming.<br /> *The fact that a team of &quot;Simons&quot; were preparing to perform the neural surgery on Ellen suggests that at one point in time the Cavils had revealed Ellen's existence to at least the Number Fours. How much they know about her is not clear.<br /> *The Centurion's response to Ellen after her resurrection seems to indicate that the Centurions also know who the Final Five are. The Centurion's reluctance to help Ellen initially indicated that it was unsure whether it was allowed to help her, upon which she reassured it was allowed to.<br /> *The Centurions on Cavil's baseship appear to have not been tampered with or had their neural inhibitors restored as the Centurions on his baseship do not appear as curious of their surroundings as the Rebel Cylons' baseship centurions.<br /> *Ellen's motherly and kind tone towards the Centurion after her resurrection reinforces Anders' explanation later that the Final Five wanted to tell the 12 tribes to treat their Centurions well.<br /> *As he has been for several episodes, the Admiral is shown taking medicine for apparent pain. The nature of his ailment has not yet been revealed.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> ===Characters===<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War?<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * Did the Final Five use the same surnames before Cavil altered their memories, as well as the same first names?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship, especially if they recover their first hand memories of their old life? Will Tory reveal to Tyrol that she killed Cally?<br /> * Has either Ellen Tigh or Cavil told Boomer that Tyrol is a Cylon? Will this cause Boomer and Tyrol to rekindle their old relationship? Will the example of Saul Tigh and Caprica Six's pregnancy by him open up to her the possibility of it? <br /> * How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point? How will Boomer react to Athena? How would Athena react to Boomer?<br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of Cavil's plot?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> * What is the meaning of Anders' ramblings, reminiscent of the Book of Genesis, about the mother of mankind being deceived by one whose guile stirred with vengeance? Is there a connection to Ellen and Cavil?<br /> <br /> ===Number Seven===<br /> * Was [[Number Seven]] named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Besides Cavil, were the other Cylons aware of Number Seven's short-lived existence?<br /> <br /> ===The Cycle===<br /> * What is the exact nature of this Cycle? How long has it been going on for? Can it ever be broken?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions' form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])<br /> ** What happened to the Centurions that destroyed Earth?<br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power(which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Where do the Basestar hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Where does [[Kara Thrace]] fit into all of this?<br /> * Why has [[The Music|the song]] written by Anders become a special signal/trigger for the Final Five?<br /> <br /> ===Resurrection Technology===<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * Where is this [[The Colony|other colony]] that Ellen supposedly stored her resurrection equipment on? Does it have a name? Is Anders aware of it?<br /> * What is the status of the research ship the Final Five used to leave Earth 2000 years ago?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Did anyone else on Earth besides the Five contribute to the re-invention of the resurrection technology?<br /> <br /> ===Other Questions===<br /> * What became of the lower level mutineers in [[The Oath]] and [[Blood on the Scales]]? Were they prosecuted for their actions, or were they given an amnesty in spite of Adama's threat there would be no forgiveness for any mutineer? <br /> * How do Ellen and Boomer intend to locate the Fleet?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] be resolved?<br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> **Bio-engineering and jump drives represent different realms of technology and are not directly related. Progress in one is therefore not a prerequisite for progress in the other.<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> ** The 12 Tribes' Centurions/Cylons had over 40 years to improve upon Colonial Jump-technology. As it has been shown numerous times during the show, Cylons had developed technologies that are far-more advanced than Colonial technology. As they had 40 years of isolation to test and improve upon designs, it is not inconceivable to see how a race of cybernetic creatures would constantly improve upon technology. For example, the current line of Centurions vs. the original Centurions are far more advance in technology, battle effectiveness, and intelligence.<br /> * Right before going into surgery, Sam maniacally pleaded that Saul &quot;stay with the fleet&quot; and also mentioned that a &quot;miracle from the angels&quot; was coming. What is he referring to? Will Saul and the other Cylons heed his request?<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil since shortly after the Cylon occupation of Caprica. When she first downloaded, after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica, she still thought of herself as a human, had a human outlook, and hated her Cylon being. She even kept her old apartment on Caprica. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had, from her point of view, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil after the failure of the [[New Caprica]] occupation, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> :''Her attitude toward love seems not only to have been influenced by Cavil, but also is an reaction over her experiences of the failure of the New Caprica experiment and the rejection by [[Hera]], fellow Eight [[Sharon Agathon]]'s child from which she probably felt that being a Cylon she will never know the love of a child of her own. In reaction, she almost killed Hera but was prevented from doing so by Caprica Six. After which she seemed to had made the decision to follow the virulently anti-human Cavil, the very antithesis of what she previous believed. This is possibly a symptom of an emotional compensation coping mechanism due to her traumatic experiences.''<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> *[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Jane Espenson and Ryan Mottesheard about the episode:]<br /> * &quot;The Colony&quot; is definitely of significance.<br /> * The Earth was destroyed by an uprising of Centurions that the humanoid Cylons created.<br /> * Cavil kept at least one blank body for each of the Five. The fact that none were killed in the war until Ellen died at her husband's hands is a source of frustration for him.<br /> * Cavil probably wouldn't be happy in a metal body either.<br /> * Like the Ones and Sevens, the Twos, Threes, Fours, Fives, Sixes, and Eights did at one time know and interact with the Final Five, but the Ones corrupted their memories and programmed them not to think of the Final Five.<br /> * The Final Five, and presumably the whole Thirteenth Tribe, were originally polytheists like the other twelve tribes. They became monotheists after encountering the monotheistic Colonial Centurions, who believed in a loving and merciful God, a belief system the Final Five incorporated into the Significant Eight.<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''John Cavil had just shown a &quot;slide show&quot; - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his human form and his deep seated resentment to Ellen and the other Finals for foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John (repeats): No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? (sneering) With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs (gesturing to his eyes) in my skull! (disgusted) With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: '''I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN!''' I want to see [[Wikipedia:gamma rays|gamma rays!]] I want to hear [[Wikipedia:X-rays|X-rays!]] And I want to--I want to smell [[Wikipedia:dark matter|dark matter!]] Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to--I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! (closes eyes) And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me!! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! (softly) I can experience so much more. '''BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY?''' Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> :(Cavil walks out of the chamber)<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173626 2009-02-18T06:43:12Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Analysis */ added a bit about Sam&#039;s seizure.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of Centurions firing upon humans during the events of [[Razor]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models are known]]--one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] tends to [[Samuel Anders]]'s bullet wound to the head inflicted during the mutiny. He prepares to drill holes in Anders's head to relieve pressure from the hematoma caused by the bullet lodged in his skull. <br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;Is that right? So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl&quot;]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made the intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Cylons, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Thirteenth Tribe merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen replies that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some liquor in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of [[The Colony]] where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that the warning signs they all saw on Earth were different as well, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters. After washing his face, he begins to see the unraveling of his battlestar within his own cabin...cracks in the bathroom wall.<br /> <br /> * Back in time, on the baseship, Sharon Valerii looks down at the sketch of Saul Tigh and asks Ellen how she can deal with the possibility that he may hate her for everything that she's done. Ellen responds that, maybe, Saul doesn't despise her, because &quot;love is like that sometimes.&quot;<br /> * Valerii hands her a gown to wear for surgery, but Ellen refuses it, believing it to be one of John's last acts of humiliation. She says, &quot;You should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]],&quot; to Valerii's confusion. &quot;Never mind. Let's get this over with,&quot; Ellen says as Valerii escorts her away.<br /> * As they make their way down a hallway in the baseship, Ellen tries to plead with Valerii, asking her if she really wants to go through with John's vivisection of Ellen. Valerii responds that she has thought about it--and directs Ellen into the seat of a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii guides the Raptor out into space. Under gunfire from launched Raiders, the Raptor jumps to safety.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief. Do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * Ellen Tigh remarks to [[Sharon Valerii]] when she comes to escort Ellen to surgery that she &quot;...should have brought a tumbrel.&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] On Earth during the French Revolution in the 1780's, many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in a tumbrel. Ellen was sardonically referring to this in her remark to Valerii. Depending on the historical relationship of real life events and the Colonies in the show-if any-maybe she was referring directly to the French Revolution or a similar parallel event on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies.<br /> * Inchon is the name of a port city in Korea and it was the location of a major battle during the Korean War. During the battle, UN forces under the command of General Douglas MacArthur turned the tables on their communist adversaries and went on to drive the North Korean Army out of the Korean peninsula entirely.<br /> * Anders' seemingly incoherent ramblings in the beginning of the episode include lines from Milton's Paradise Lost: &quot;he it was, whose guile/Stird up with Envy and Revenge, deceiv'd The Mother of Mankind&quot; (Book I, ln. 34-5); &quot;The mind is its own place, and in it self/Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.&quot; (ibid. ln. 254-55)<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *When Ellen was resurrected, her reaction to the event was very similar to Boomer's first resurrection in Downloaded. However, unlike Boomer, it appears that Ellen's original memories were reactivated and immediately her fear disappeared. This seems to indicate that the memory block that each of the Final Five had imposed on them is limited to their particular physical body. If all Five were killed and allowed to resurrect into new bodies, they would have regained their memories and original personalities.<br /> **The resurrected Ellen has a starkly completely different personality and attitude compared to her &quot;false memories&quot; counterpart. This Ellen carries many motherly qualities and even has shown love, sadness, and care towards Cavil (John), and is far more intelligent.<br /> **Anders also shows signs of a more intelligent and spiritual personality upon regaining his memories.<br /> *Cavil's attempt to block the memories of the Final Five was not completely successful. Numerous times, especially their time on the post-nuclear Earth, memories from their past would resurface. This explains how:<br /> :#Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five.<br /> :#The visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory, and Tigh had on Earth.<br /> *Cavil not only knew about the Final Five, but he purposely kept their identities a secret and perhaps erased their identities from any other Cylon that knew. According to Ellen and Anders, Cavil (John) had developed a warped sense of morality. This morality eventually led to his killing of the Final Five and boxing of their personalities. His path eventually devolved to actions motivated by sadism and jealously upon which he would allow each of the Final Five to be resurrected, but with no memories of their past and implanted with false memories. His motivation for this act was to show the Five how unworthy of existence that humans were. Given that he kept at least one body for each of them he ''wanted'' them to someday return but keep them secret unless they agreed with him like he did with Ellen.<br /> *Given Cavil's warped sense of justice, he is likely the Cylon that triggered the second war. He claims to want justice for the Centurions indicating he may have been the one that precipitated what happened.<br /> *Cavil may be lying somewhat about his motives: he claims that he wants justice for the Centurions being enslaved yet he basically did the same thing by putting the inhibitor in that made them non-sentient. If he truly wanted justice, he wouldn't have done that as it makes him just as bad.<br /> **Cavil's reaction to the Rebel Cylons' disabling of the neural inhibitor may be based on his knowledge of what had occurred with the 13th Tribe's Centurions and with the 12 Colonies' Centurions. He may be worried that a third Centurion uprising would occur again.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after-effects of the mutiny as the wounded was in sickbay with an overflow of patients in the outside corridor. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aides. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of [[Peter Laird]] shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> *During Boomer's first meeting with Ellen, she offers Boomer an apple from a plate of food. In Judeo-Christian mythology apples are the fruit of the tree of knowledge that gave Adam and Eve knowledge at the price of their innocence. While Boomer declined the offered apple, she later did begin to think for herself and forgave Ellen for what she did to the Cylon race and helped her escape from Number One.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> *There are two possible reasons as to why Adama was unwilling initially to use Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica''.<br /> :#It stemmed from Adama's great love and pride in the ''Galactica''. This love was demonstrated several times during the course of the series, such as when he refused to allow a computer network to be installed. It was also seen in his facial and body reactions whenever he was confronted with the degraded condition of his ship. Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of ''Galactica'' in this episode further confirms this.<br /> :#Another possible reason for his insistence that no Cylon technology be installed in Galatica could be a reaction to prevent another mutiny on the ship. He had no qualms of upgrading ''Galactica's'' and the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology initially. He even permitted Cylons to do the installs originally, but post-mutiny, when confronted with needing a crew to repair ''Galactica's'' internal skeleton, Adama insisted on a human crew. His demand that the repairs be done without Cylon interface may have been a result of him trying to not repeat what had sparked the recently ended mutiny in the first place.<br /> *At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> *Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, the twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experimentation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). This was also alluded to near the end of the episode when Cavil explains to Ellen that they had progress significantly in obtaining memories. Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show; that said the issue ''was'' addressed in dialogue in &quot;[[Revelations]]&quot; when Adama pointed out how Tigh used to have hair when they met and reiterated the length of time he'd known him. <br /> * The Final Five can resurrect or &quot;reborn&quot; in the same fashion that the Significant Seven can. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely at this point given the loss of the Hub) might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programming. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that the Ones coding skills were limited in comparison to the Final Five's, and/or they had greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five (which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * Cavil (John) engages in actions that reveals traits of an [[Wikipedia:Oedipus Complex|Oedipus Complex]] In Greek mythology [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]] killed his own father and married his own mother, engaging in sexual relations and having children with her. However, Oedipus did not know at the time they were his parents. The sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in three senses: She is his creator and he is made in her father's physical image in addition to being given her father's name. In addition, he tortured and abused Saul Tigh, his father and husband of Ellen who where husband and wife both in the distant past and on New Caprica. The major difference is that they are not biologically related to Cavil (as far as it is known) and Cavil knew that Ellen and Tigh were his &quot;parents&quot; unlike Oedipus. <br /> * In the same vein, Cavil's relationship with Boomer is akin to brother-sister incest.<br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal, and like Oedipus, they didn't know the relationship to each other as &quot;father&quot; and &quot;daughter&quot; at the time of their first meetings. Currently, Saul and Caprica Six do know of the quasi parent-child relationship, as do Tyrol and Sharon Valerii. Cavil's relationship with Ellen and Tigh is more familial as seen thus far by the actions and words of Ellen including &quot;I love you John, because I made you,&quot; and her attempt to hug him implying a mother-son relationship. Since Saul Tigh and Caprica Six have no direct memory of their prior relationship, there are no feelings of pseudo-incestuous implications.<br /> *John Cavil's killing of Daniel, the Number 7 model and the destruction of the Seven's copies mirror the biblical (and Koran) story of [[Wikipedia:Cain and Abel|Cain and Abel]] in which Cain murders Abel to gain God's favor. God, Cain and Abel's creator (through [[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam and Eve]]) had favored Abel over Cain when he showed preference for an animal sacrifice Abel made over Cain's offering of food stuffs and Cain resented it. Similarly, Cavil felt that Ellen, his and Daniel's creator, favored Daniel over him (Ellen conceded the possibility that she did) and subsequently destroyed him. In a further parallel Cain was Adam and Eve's first born. Cavil was the first creation of the Final Five, hence his Number One designation while like Abel Daniel was a later birth, in Daniel's case, presumably, creation Number 7 making him Cavil's younger &quot;brother&quot; like Abel was to Cain. <br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multi-layered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place. He also fears that he truly is a disappointment to his creators.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt - something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Ander's brain, Ander's instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as Anders clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> *Right before his seizure, Sam Anders saw the other final four and Kara Thrace glowing in the same manner that [[others|Number Three]] have seen the Final Five in their visions (i.e. as glowing white figures). Is this an indication that Kara Thrace is [[Number Seven]] or some other type of Cylon?<br /> * Although we can now be sure that the Final Five had the same personal names in their old lives as they do now, none of their surnames have yet been used in relation to their original selves.<br /> *This episode further displays the Cavils' unity of thought and personality that none of the other models have displayed. After the destruction of the Hub, the original Cavil who started the Civil War, who called Boomer his 'pet Eight' was killed by D'Anna. However, the Cavil who provides a drink to Ellen carries the same thoughts and conclusions as the recently deceased Cavil. This further propagates the notion that the Cavils desire to be more machine than human as each particular Cavil does not appear to show any divergent or creative thought from each other. They appear to all share the same memories and train of thought while other models like the Sixes and Eights have shown time and time again that each individual in the model line can break from the pack so to speak.<br /> *In a not so subtle hint to the audience, when Boomer asks Ellen why would she want to love humans and who would she want to love, immediately the scene shifts to Tyrol walking to the waiting area outside of sickbay.<br /> *Ishay's cold response to Kara after Ander's surgery is a subtle hint of the disdain that Ishay has towards the Cylons. Unlike Doc Cottle who treats his patients the same, human or Cylon, Ishay's facial responses in the last couple of episodes have shown extreme discomfort of treating the Cylons. She will do her job, but her response to Kara's attempts to speak to Ander post-surgery displayed a cold-heartedness towards her &quot;patient.&quot; This flies against what is typically prescribed by doctors of comatose patients who would encourage family members to speak to their loved ones in order to stimulate brain activity and maybe revive their patients.<br /> *When Anders mentioned that the 12 Tribes' Centurions had already begun their attempt to create flesh bodies, this did not seem to surprise Anders. This may hint to the 13th Tribe's origins as they may have begun the same way. They as Cylons developed &quot;flesh&quot; bodies and the organic memory transfer technology on Kobol. However, after they found and settled on Earth, this resurrection technology was lost to time and had to be reinvented. The Final Five's negotiated deal with the 12 Tribes' Centurions seemed to be motivated by their desire to not repeat the cycle by giving the Centurions what the 13th Tribes ancestors had achieved. However, their reasoning for not allowing biological reproduction in the 8 humanoid models seemed to indicate a plan to bring Cylon and Human together.<br /> *It would appear that each humanoid Cylon model was given both a name and a model number by the Final Five. The Number One models prefer not to use names. This logically follows the pattern that the John/Cavil models have shown, that they prefer to be more machine than human, thus lean toward using an impersonal identification system vs. the personal names given to them by the Final Five.<br /> *This episode sheds light on why the D'Anna model were able to &quot;see&quot; the Final Five in their post-death and pre-resurrected states, but were unable to recall the faces definitively once they were resurrected into their physical bodies. The Cavils apparently had hardwired all of the Significant Sevens bodies to purposely block out any type of memory that involved the Final Five. They were programmed to not &quot;think&quot; of the Final Five, but as Ellen explained to Boomer, the Significant Seven were given &quot;free will&quot; and it apparently had overridden John's reprogramming.<br /> *The fact that a team of &quot;Simons&quot; were preparing to perform the neural surgery on Ellen suggests that at one point in time the Cavils had revealed Ellen's existence to at least the Number Fours. How much they know about her is not clear.<br /> *The Centurion's response to Ellen after her resurrection seems to indicate that the Centurions also know who the Final Five are. The Centurion's reluctance to help Ellen initially indicated that it was unsure whether it was allowed to help her, upon which she reassured it was allowed to.<br /> *The Centurions on Cavil's baseship appear to have not been tampered with or had their neural inhibitors restored as the Centurions on his baseship do not appear as curious of their surroundings as the Rebel Cylons' baseship centurions.<br /> *Ellen's motherly and kind tone towards the Centurion after her resurrection reinforces Anders' explanation later that the Final Five wanted to tell the 12 tribes to treat their Centurions well.<br /> *As he has been for several episodes, the Admiral is shown taking medicine for apparent pain. The nature of his ailment has not yet been revealed.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> ===Characters===<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War?<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * Did the Final Five use the same surnames before Cavil altered their memories, as well as the same first names?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship, especially if they recover their first hand memories of their old life? Will Tory reveal to Tyrol that she killed Cally?<br /> * Has either Ellen Tigh or Cavil told Boomer that Tyrol is a Cylon? Will this cause Boomer and Tyrol to rekindle their old relationship? Will the example of Saul Tigh and Caprica Six's pregnancy by him open up to her the possibility of it? <br /> * How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point? How will Boomer react to Athena? How would Athena react to Boomer?<br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of Cavil's plot?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> * What is the meaning of Anders' ramblings, reminiscent of the Book of Genesis, about the mother of mankind being deceived by one whose guile stirred with vengeance? Is there a connection to Ellen and Cavil?<br /> <br /> ===Number Seven===<br /> * Was [[Number Seven]] named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Besides Cavil, were the other Cylons aware of Number Seven's short-lived existence?<br /> <br /> ===The Cycle===<br /> * What is the exact nature of this Cycle? How long has it been going on for? Can it ever be broken?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions' form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])<br /> ** What happened to the Centurions that destroyed Earth?<br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power(which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Where do the Basestar hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Where does [[Kara Thrace]] fit into all of this?<br /> * Why has [[The Music|the song]] written by Anders become a special signal/trigger for the Final Five?<br /> <br /> ===Resurrection Technology===<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * Where is this [[The Colony|other colony]] that Ellen supposedly stored her resurrection equipment on? Does it have a name? Is Anders aware of it?<br /> * What is the status of the research ship the Final Five used to leave Earth 2000 years ago?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Did anyone else on Earth besides the Five contribute to the re-invention of the resurrection technology?<br /> <br /> ===Other Questions===<br /> * What became of the lower level mutineers in [[The Oath]] and [[Blood on the Scales]]? Were they prosecuted for their actions, or were they given an amnesty in spite of Adama's threat there would be no forgiveness for any mutineer? <br /> * How do Ellen and Boomer intend to locate the Fleet?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] be resolved?<br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> **Bio-engineering and jump drives represent different realms of technology and are not directly related. Progress in one is therefore not a prerequisite for progress in the other.<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> ** The 12 Tribes' Centurions/Cylons had over 40 years to improve upon Colonial Jump-technology. As it has been shown numerous times during the show, Cylons had developed technologies that are far-more advanced than Colonial technology. As they had 40 years of isolation to test and improve upon designs, it is not inconceivable to see how a race of cybernetic creatures would constantly improve upon technology. For example, the current line of Centurions vs. the original Centurions are far more advance in technology, battle effectiveness, and intelligence.<br /> * Right before going into surgery, Sam maniacally pleaded that Saul &quot;stay with the fleet&quot; and also mentioned that a &quot;miracle from the angels&quot; was coming. What is he referring to? Will Saul and the other Cylons heed his request?<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil since shortly after the Cylon occupation of Caprica. When she first downloaded, after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica, she still thought of herself as a human, had a human outlook, and hated her Cylon being. She even kept her old apartment on Caprica. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had, from her point of view, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil after the failure of the [[New Caprica]] occupation, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> :''Her attitude toward love seems not only to have been influenced by Cavil, but also is an reaction over her experiences of the failure of the New Caprica experiment and the rejection by [[Hera]], fellow Eight [[Sharon Agathon]]'s child from which she probably felt that being a Cylon she will never know the love of a child of her own. In reaction, she almost killed Hera but was prevented from doing so by Caprica Six. After which she seemed to had made the decision to follow the virulently anti-human Cavil, the very antithesis of what she previous believed. This is possibly a symptom of an emotional compensation coping mechanism due to her traumatic experiences.''<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> *[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Jane Espenson and Ryan Mottesheard about the episode:]<br /> * &quot;The Colony&quot; is definitely of significance.<br /> * The Earth was destroyed by an uprising of Centurions that the humanoid Cylons created.<br /> * Cavil kept at least one blank body for each of the Five. The fact that none were killed in the war until Ellen died at her husband's hands is a source of frustration for him.<br /> * Cavil probably wouldn't be happy in a metal body either.<br /> * Like the Ones and Sevens, the Twos, Threes, Fours, Fives, Sixes, and Eights did at one time know and interact with the Final Five, but the Ones corrupted their memories and programmed them not to think of the Final Five.<br /> * The Final Five, and presumably the whole Thirteenth Tribe, were originally polytheists like the other twelve tribes. They became monotheists after encountering the monotheistic Colonial Centurions, who believed in a loving and merciful God, a belief system the Final Five incorporated into the Significant Eight.<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''John Cavil had just shown a &quot;slide show&quot; - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his human form and his deep seated resentment to Ellen and the other Finals for foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John (repeats): No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? (sneering) With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs (gesturing to his eyes) in my skull! (disgusted) With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: '''I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN!''' I want to see [[Wikipedia:gamma rays|gamma rays!]] I want to hear [[Wikipedia:X-rays|X-rays!]] And I want to--I want to smell [[Wikipedia:dark matter|dark matter!]] Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to--I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! (closes eyes) And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me!! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! (softly) I can experience so much more. '''BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY?''' Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> :(Cavil walks out of the chamber)<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173565 2009-02-17T22:28:45Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Analysis */ spelling corrections</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of Centurions firing upon humans during the events of [[Razor]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models are known]]--one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] prepares to drill holes in [[Samuel Anders]]'s head to relieve pressure caused a hematoma caused by a ricocheting bullet that struck him in the head ([[Blood on the Scales]]).<br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;Is that right? So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl&quot;]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made a intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Cylons, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Thirteenth Tribe merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen replies that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some liquor in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of [[The Colony]] where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that the warning signs they all saw on Earth were different as well, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters. After washing his face, he begins to see the unraveling of his battlestar within his own cabin...cracks in the bathroom wall.<br /> <br /> * Back in time, on the baseship, Sharon Valerii looks down at the sketch of Saul Tigh and asks Ellen how she can deal with the possibility that he may hate her for everything that she's done. Ellen responds that, maybe, Saul doesn't despise her, because &quot;love is like that sometimes.&quot;<br /> * Valerii hands her a gown to wear for surgery, but Ellen refuses it, believing it to be one of John's last acts of humiliation. She says, &quot;You should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]],&quot; to Valerii's confusion. &quot;Never mind. Let's get this over with,&quot; Ellen says as Valerii escorts her away.<br /> * As they make their way down a hallway in the baseship, Ellen tries to plead with Valerii, asking her if she really wants to go through with John's vivisection of Ellen. Valerii responds that she has thought about it--and directs Ellen into the seat of a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii guides the Raptor out into space. Under gunfire from launched Raiders, the Raptor jumps to safety.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief. Do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * Ellen Tigh remarks to [[Sharon Valerii]] when she comes to escort Ellen to surgery that she &quot;...should have brought a tumbrel.&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] On Earth during the French Revolution in the 1780's, many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in a tumbrel. Ellen was sardonically referring to this in her remark to Valerii. Depending on the historical relationship of real life events and the Colonies in the show-if any-maybe she was referring directly to the French Revolution or a similar parallel event on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies.<br /> * Inchon is the name of a port city in Korea and it was the location of a major battle during the Korean War. During the battle, UN forces under the command of General Douglas MacArthur turned the tables on their communist adversaries and went on to drive the North Korean Army out of the Korean peninsula entirely.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *When Ellen was resurrected, her reaction to the event was very similar to Boomer's first resurrection in Downloaded. However, unlike Boomer, it appears that Ellen's original memories were reactivated and immediately her fear disappeared. This seems to indicate that the memory block that each of the Final Five had imposed on them is limited to their particular physical body. If all Five were killed and allowed to resurrect into new bodies, they would have regain their memories and original personalities.<br /> **The resurrected Ellen has a starkly completely different personality and attitude compared to her &quot;false memories&quot; counterpart. This Ellen carries many motherly qualities and even has shown love, sadness, and care towards Cavil (John), and is far more intelligent.<br /> **Anders also shows signs of a more intelligent and spiritual personality upon regaining his memories.<br /> *Cavil's attempt to block the memories of the Final Five was not completely successful. Numerous times, especially their time on the post-nuclear Earth, memories from their past would resurface. This explains how:<br /> :#Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five.<br /> :#The visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory, and Tigh had on Earth.<br /> *Cavil not only knew about the Final Five, but he purposely kept their identities a secret and perhaps erased their identities from any other Cylon that knew. According to Ellen and Anders, Cavil (John) had developed a warped sense of morality. This morality eventually led to his killing of the Final Five and boxing of their personalities. His path eventually devolved to actions motivated by sadism and jealously upon which he would allow each of the Final Five to be resurrected, but with no memories of their past and implanted with false memories. His motivation for this act was to show the Five how unworthy of existence that humans were. Given that he kept at least one body for each of them he ''wanted'' them to someday return but keep them secret unless they agreed with him like he did with Ellen.<br /> *Given Cavil's warped sense of justice, he is likely the Cylon that triggered the second war. He claims to want justice for the Centurions indicating he may have been the one that precipitated what happened.<br /> *Cavil may be lying somewhat about his motives: he claims that he wants justice for the Centurions being enslaved yet he basically did the same thing by putting the inhibitor in that made them non-sentient. If he truly wanted justice, he wouldn't have done that as it makes him just as bad.<br /> **Cavil's reaction to the Rebel Cylons' disabling of the neural inhibitor may be based on his knowledge of what had occurred with the 13th Tribe's Centurions and with the 12 Colonies' Centurions. He may be worried that a third Centurion uprising would occur again.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after-effects of the mutiny as the wounded was in sickbay with an overflow of patients in the outside corridor. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aides. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of [[Peter Laird]] shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> *During Boomer's first meeting with Ellen, she offers Boomer an apple from a plate of food. In Judeo-Christian mythology apples are the fruit of the tree of knowledge that gave Adam and Eve knowledge at the price of their innocence. While Boomer declined the offered apple, she later did begin to think for herself and forgave Ellen for what she did to the Cylon race and helped her escape from Number One.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> *There are two possible reasons as to why Adama was unwilling initially to use Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica''.<br /> :#It stemmed from Adama's great love and pride in the ''Galactica''. This love was demonstrated several times during the course of the series, such as when he refused to allow a computer network to be installed. It was also seen in his facial and body reactions whenever he was confronted with the degraded condition of his ship. Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of ''Galactica'' in this episode further confirms this.<br /> :#Another possible reason for his insistence that no Cylon technology be installed in Galatica could be a reaction to prevent another mutiny on the ship. He had no qualms of upgrading ''Galactica's'' and the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology initially. He even permitted Cylons to do the installs originally, but post-mutiny, when confronted with needing a crew to repair ''Galactica's'' internal skeleton, Adama insisted on a human crew. His demand that the repairs be done without Cylon interface may have been a result of him trying to not repeat what had sparked the recently ended mutiny in the first place.<br /> *At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> *Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, the twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experimentation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). This was also alluded to near the end of the episode when Cavil explains to Ellen that they had progress significantly in obtaining memories. Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show; that said the issue ''was'' addressed in dialogue in &quot;[[Revelations]]&quot; when Adama pointed out how Tigh used to have hair when they met and reiterated the length of time he'd known him. <br /> * The Final Five can resurrect or &quot;reborn&quot; in the same fashion that the Significant Seven can. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely at this point given the loss of the Hub) might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programming. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that the Ones coding skills were limited in comparison to the Final Five's, and/or they had greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five (which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * Cavil (John) engages in actions that reveals traits of an [[Wikipedia:Oedipus Complex|Oedipus Complex]] In Greek mythology [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]] killed his own father and married his own mother, engaging in sexual relations and having children with her. However, Oedipus did not know at the time they were his parents. The sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in three senses: She is his creator and he is made in her father's physical image in addition to being given her father's name. In addition, he tortured and abused Saul Tigh, his father and husband of Ellen who where husband and wife both in the distant past and on New Caprica. The major difference is that they are not biologically related to Cavil (as far as it is known) and Cavil knew that Ellen and Tigh were his &quot;parents&quot; unlike Oedipus. <br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal, and like Oedipus, they didn't know the relationship to each other as &quot;father&quot; and &quot;daughter&quot; at the time of their first meetings. Currently, Saul and Caprica Six do know of the quasi parent-child relationship, as do Tyrol and Sharon Valerii. Cavil's relationship with Ellen and Tigh is more familial as seen thus far by the actions and words of Ellen including &quot;I love you John, because I made you,&quot; and her attempt to hug him implying a mother-son relationship. Since Saul Tigh and Caprica Six have no direct memory of their prior relationship, there are no feelings of pseudo-incestuous implications.<br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multi-layered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place. He also fears that he truly is a disappointment to his creators.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt - something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Ander's brain, Ander's instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as Anders clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> * Although we can now be sure that the Final Five had the same personal names in their old lives as they do now, none of their surnames have yet been used in relation to their original selves.<br /> *This episode further displays the Cavils' unity of thought and personality that none of the other models have displayed. After the destruction of the Hub, the original Cavil who started the Civil War, who called Boomer his 'pet Eight' was killed by D'Anna. However, the Cavil who provides a drink to Ellen carries the same thoughts and conclusions as the recently deceased Cavil. This further propagates the notion that the Cavils desire to be more machine than human as each particular Cavil does not appear to show any divergent or creative thought from each other. They appear to all share the same memories and train of thought while other models like the Sixes and Eights have shown time and time again that each individual in the model line can break from the pack so to speak.<br /> *In a not so subtle hint to the audience, when Boomer asks Ellen why would she want to love humans and who would she want to love, immediately the scene shifts to Tyrol walking to the waiting area outside of sickbay.<br /> *Ishay's cold response to Kara after Ander's surgery is a subtle hint of the disdain that Ishay has towards the Cylons. Unlike Doc Cottle who treats his patients the same, human or Cylon, Ishay's facial responses in the last couple of episodes have shown extreme discomfort of treating the Cylons. She will do her job, but her response to Kara's attempts to speak to Ander post-surgery displayed a cold-heartedness towards her &quot;patient.&quot; This flies against what is typically prescribed by doctors of comatose patients who would encourage family members to speak to their loved ones in order to stimulate brain activity and maybe revive their patients.<br /> *When Anders mentioned that the 12 Tribes' Centurions had already begun their attempt to create flesh bodies, this did not seem to surprise Anders. This may hint to the 13th Tribe's origins as they may have begun the same way. They as Cylons developed &quot;flesh&quot; bodies and the organic memory transfer technology on Kobol. However, after they found and settled on Earth, this resurrection technology was lost to time and had to be reinvented. The Final Five's negotiated deal with the 12 Tribes' Centurions seemed to be motivated by their desire to not repeat the cycle by giving the Centurions what the 13th Tribes ancestors had achieved. However, their reasoning for not allowing biological reproduction in the 8 humanoid models seemed to indicate a plan to bring Cylon and Human together.<br /> *It would appear that each humanoid Cylon model was given both a name and a model number by the Final Five. The Number One models prefer not to use names. This logically follows the pattern that the John/Cavil models have shown, that they prefer to be more machine than human, thus lean toward using an impersonal identification system vs. the personal names given to them by the Final Five.<br /> *This episode sheds light on why the D'Anna model were able to &quot;see&quot; the Final Five in their post-death and pre-resurrected states, but were unable to recall the faces definitively once they were resurrected into their physical bodies. The Cavils apparently had hardwired all of the Significant Sevens bodies to purposely block out any type of memory that involved the Final Five. They were programmed to not &quot;think&quot; of the Final Five, but as Ellen explained to Boomer, the Significant Seven were given &quot;free will&quot; and it apparently had overridden John's reprogramming.<br /> *The fact that a team of &quot;Simons&quot; were preparing to perform the neural surgery on Ellen suggests that at one point in time the Cavils had revealed Ellen's existence to at least the Number Fours. How much they know about her is not clear.<br /> *The Centurion's response to Ellen after her resurrection seems to indicate that the Centurions also know who the Final Five are. The Centurion's reluctance to help Ellen initially indicated that it was unsure whether it was allowed to help her, upon which she reassured it was allowed to.<br /> *The Centurions on Cavil's baseship appear to have not been tampered with or had their neural inhibitors restored as the Centurions on his baseship do not appear as curious of their surroundings as the Rebel Cylons' baseship centurions.<br /> *Ellen's motherly and kind tone towards the Centurion after her resurrection reinforces Anders' explanation later that the Final Five wanted to tell the 12 tribes to treat their Centurions well.<br /> *As he has been for several episodes, the Admiral is shown taking medicine for apparent pain. The nature of his ailment has not yet been revealed.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> ===Characters===<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War?<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * Did the Final Five use the same surnames before Cavil altered their memories, as well as the same first names?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship? Will Tory reveal to Tyrol that she killed Cally?<br /> * Has either Ellen Tigh or Cavil told Boomer that Tyrol is a Cylon? Will this cause Boomer and Tyrol to rekindle their old relationship? Will the example of Saul Tigh and Caprica Six's pregnancy by him open up to her the possibility of it? <br /> * How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point? How will Boomer react to Athena? How would Athena react to Boomer?<br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of Cavil's plot?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> * What did Anders mean when he seemed to indicate that Ellen is the &quot;mother of humanity&quot;?<br /> * Is Ellen the &quot;mother of humanity&quot; and if not, who did Cavil deceived?<br /> <br /> ===Number Seven===<br /> * Was [[Number Seven]] named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Besides Cavil, were the other Cylons aware of Number Seven's short-lived existence?<br /> <br /> ===The Cycle===<br /> * What is the exact nature of this Cycle? How long has it been going on for? Can it ever be broken?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions' form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])<br /> ** What happened to the Centurions that destroyed Earth?<br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power(which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Where do the Basestar hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Where does [[Kara Thrace]] fit into all of this?<br /> * Why has [[The Music|the song]] written by Anders become a special signal/trigger for the Final Five?<br /> <br /> ===Resurrection Technology===<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * Where is this [[The Colony|other colony]] that Ellen supposedly stored her resurrection equipment on? Does it have a name? Is Anders aware of it?<br /> * What is the status of the research ship the Final Five used to leave Earth 2000 years ago?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Did anyone else on Earth besides the Five contribute to the re-invention of the resurrection technology?<br /> <br /> ===Other Questions===<br /> * What became of the lower level mutineers in [[The Oath]] and [[Blood on the Scales]]? Were they prosecuted for their actions, or were they given an amnesty in spite of Adama's threat there would be no forgiveness for any mutineer? <br /> * How do Ellen and Boomer intend to locate the Fleet?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] be resolved?<br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> **Bio-engineering and jump drives represent different realms of technology and are not directly related. Progress in one is therefore not a prerequisite for progress in the other.<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> ** The 12 Tribes' Centurions/Cylons had over 40 years to improve upon Colonial Jump-technology. As it has been shown numerous times during the show, Cylons had developed technologies that are far-more advanced than Colonial technology. As they had 40 years of isolation to test and improve upon designs, it is not inconceivable to see how a race of cybernetic creatures would constantly improve upon technology. For example, the current line of Centurions vs. the original Centurions are far more advance in technology, battle effectiveness, and intelligence.<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil since shortly after the Cylon occupation of Caprica. When she first downloaded, after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica, she still thought of herself as a human, had a human outlook, and hated her Cylon being. She even kept her old apartment on Caprica. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had, from her point of view, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil after the failure of the [[New Caprica]] occupation, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> :''Her attitude toward love seems not only to have been influenced by Cavil, but also is an reaction over her experiences of the failure of the New Caprica experiment and the rejection by [[Hera]], fellow Eight [[Sharon Agathon]]'s child from which she probably felt that being a Cylon she will never know the love of a child of her own. In reaction, she almost killed Hera but was prevented from doing so by Caprica Six. After which she seemed to had made the decision to follow the virulently anti human Cavil, the very antithesis of what she previous believed. This is possibly a symptom of an emotional compensation coping mechanism due to her traumatic experiences.''<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> *[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Jane Espenson and Ryan Mottesheard about the episode:]<br /> * &quot;The Colony&quot; is definitely of significance.<br /> * The Earth was destroyed by an uprising of Centurions that the humanoid Cylons created.<br /> * Cavil kept at least one blank body for each of the Five. The fact that none were killed in the war until Ellen died at her husband's hands is a source of frustration for him.<br /> * Cavil probably wouldn't be happy in a metal body either.<br /> * Like the Ones and Sevens, the Twos, Threes, Fours, Fives, Sixes, and Eights did at one time know and interact with the Final Five, but the Ones corrupted their memories and programmed them not to think of the Final Five.<br /> * The Final Five, and presumably the whole Thirteenth Tribe, were originally polytheists like the other twelve tribes. They became monotheists after encountering the monotheistic Colonial Centurions, a belief system they incorporated into the Significant Eight.<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''John Cavil had just shown a &quot;slide show&quot; - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his human form and his deep seated resentment to Ellen and the other Finals for foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John (repeats): No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? (sneering) With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs (gesturing to his eyes) in my skull! (disgusted) With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: '''I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN!''' I want to see [[Wikipedia:gamma rays|gamma rays!]] I want to hear [[Wikipedia:X-rays|X-rays!]] And I want to--I want to smell [[Wikipedia:dark matter|dark matter!]] Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to--I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! (closes eyes) And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me!! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! (softly) I can experience so much more. '''BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY?''' Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> :(Cavil walks out of the chamber)<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173562 2009-02-17T22:13:37Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Analysis */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of Centurions firing upon humans during the events of [[Razor]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models are known]]--one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] prepares to drill holes in [[Samuel Anders]]'s head to relieve pressure caused a hematoma caused by a ricocheting bullet that struck him in the head ([[Blood on the Scales]]).<br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;Is that right? So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl&quot;]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made a intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Cylons, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Thirteenth Tribe merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen replies that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some liquor in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of [[The Colony]] where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that the warning signs they all saw on Earth were different as well, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters. After washing his face, he begins to see the unraveling of his battlestar within his own cabin...cracks in the bathroom wall.<br /> <br /> * Back in time, on the baseship, Sharon Valerii looks down at the sketch of Saul Tigh and asks Ellen how she can deal with the possibility that he may hate her for everything that she's done. Ellen responds that, maybe, Saul doesn't despise her, because &quot;love is like that sometimes.&quot;<br /> * Valerii hands her a gown to wear for surgery, but Ellen refuses it, believing it to be one of John's last acts of humiliation. She says, &quot;You should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]],&quot; to Valerii's confusion. &quot;Never mind. Let's get this over with,&quot; Ellen says as Valerii escorts her away.<br /> * As they make their way down a hallway in the baseship, Ellen tries to plead with Valerii, asking her if she really wants to go through with John's vivisection of Ellen. Valerii responds that she has thought about it--and directs Ellen into the seat of a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii guides the Raptor out into space. Under gunfire from launched Raiders, the Raptor jumps to safety.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief. Do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * Ellen Tigh remarks to [[Sharon Valerii]] when she comes to escort Ellen to surgery that she &quot;...should have brought a tumbrel.&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] On Earth during the French Revolution in the 1780's, many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in a tumbrel. Ellen was sardonically referring to this in her remark to Valerii. Depending on the historical relationship of real life events and the Colonies in the show-if any-maybe she was referring directly to the French Revolution or a similar parallel event on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies.<br /> * Inchon is the name of a port city in Korea and it was the location of a major battle during the Korean War. During the battle, UN forces under the command of General Douglas MacArthur turned the tables on their communist adversaries and went on to drive the North Korean Army out of the Korean peninsula entirely.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *When Ellen was resurrected, her reaction to the event was very similar to Boomer's first resurrection in Downloaded. However, unlike Boomer, it appears that Ellen's original memories were reactivated and immediately her fear disappeared. This seems to indicate that the memory block that each of the Final Five had imposed on them is limited to their particular physical body. If all Five were killed and allowed to resurrect into new bodies, they would have regain their memories and original personalities.<br /> **The resurrected Ellen has a starkly completely different personality and attitude compared to her &quot;false memories&quot; counterpart. This Ellen carries many motherly qualities and even has shown love, sadness, and care towards Cavil (John), and is far more intelligent.<br /> **Anders also shows signs of a more intelligent and spiritual personality upon regaining his memories.<br /> *Cavil's attempt to block the memories of the Final Five was not completely successful. Numerous times, especially their time on the post-nuclear Earth, memories from their past would resurface. This explains how:<br /> :#Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five.<br /> :#The visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory, and Tigh had on Earth.<br /> *Cavil not only knew about the Final Five, but he purposely kept their identities a secret and perhaps erased their identities from any other Cylon that knew. According to Ellen and Anders, Cavil (John) had developed a warped sense of morality. This morality eventually led to his killing of the Final Five and boxing of their personalities. His path eventually devolved to actions motivated by sadism and jealously upon which he would allow each of the Final Five to be resurrected, but with no memories of their past and implanted with false memories. His motivation for this act was to show the Five how unworthy of existence that humans were. Given that he kept at least one body for each of them he ''wanted'' them to someday return but keep them secret unless they agreed with him like he did with Ellen.<br /> *Given Cavil's warped sense of justice, he is likely the Cylon that triggered the second war. He claims to want justice for the Centurions indicating he may have been the one that precipitated what happened.<br /> *Cavil may be lying somewhat about his motives: he claims that he wants justice for the Centurions being enslaved yet he basically did the same thing by putting the inhibitor in that made them non-sentient. If he truly wanted justice, he wouldn't have done that as it makes him just as bad.<br /> **Cavil's reaction to the Rebel Cylons' disabling of the neural inhibitor may be based on his knowledge of what had occurred with the 13th Tribe's Centurions and with the 12 Colonies' Centurions. He may be worried that a third Centurion uprising would occur again.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after-effects of the mutiny as the wounded was in sickbay with an overflow of patients in the outside corridor. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aides. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of [[Peter Laird]] shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> *During the scene of Boomer's first meeting with Ellen, she offers Boomer an apple from a plate of food. In Judeo-Christian mythology apples are the fruit of the tree of knowledge that gave Adam and Eve knowledge at the price of their innocence. While Boomer declined the offer, she later did begin to think for herself and forgave Ellen for what she did to the Cylon race and help her escape from Number One.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> *There are two possible reasons as to why Adama was unwilling initially to use Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica''.<br /> :#It stemmed from Adama's great love and pride in the ''Galactica''. This love was demonstrated several times during the course of the series, such as when he refused to allow a computer network to be installed. It was also seen in his facial and body reactions whenever he was confronted with the degraded condition of his ship. Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of ''Galactica'' in this episode further confirms this.<br /> :#Another possible reason for his insistence that no Cylon technology be installed in Galatica could be a reaction to prevent another mutiny on the ship. He had no qualms of upgrading ''Galactica's'' and the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology initially. He even permitted Cylons to do the installs originally, but post-mutiny, when confronted with needing a crew to repair ''Galactica's'' internal skeleton, Adama insisted on a human crew. His demand that the repairs be done without Cylon interface may have been a result of him trying to not repeat what had sparked the recently ended mutiny in the first place.<br /> *At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> *Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, the twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experimentation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). This was also alluded to near the end of the episode when Cavil explains to Ellen that they had progress significantly in obtaining memories. Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show; that said the issue ''was'' addressed in dialogue in &quot;[[Revelations]]&quot; when Adama pointed out how Tigh used to have hair when they met and reiterated the length of time he'd known him. <br /> * The Final Five can resurrect or &quot;reborn&quot; in the same fashion that the Significant Seven can. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely at this point given the loss of the Hub) might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programming. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that the Ones coding skills were limited in comparison to the Final Five's, and/or they had greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five (which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * Cavil (John) engages in actions that reveals traits of an [[Wikipedia:Oedipus Complex|Oedipus Complex]] In Greek mythology [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]] killed his own father and married his own mother, engaging in sexual relations and having children with her. However, Oedipus did not know at the time they were his parents. The sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in three senses: She is his creator and he is made in her father's physical image in addition to being given her father's name. In addition, he tortured and abused Saul Tigh, his father and husband of Ellen who where husband and wife both in the distant past and on New Caprica. The major difference is that they are not biologically related to Cavil (as far as it is known) and Cavil knew that Ellen and Tigh were his &quot;parents&quot; unlike Oedipus. <br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal, and like Oedipus, they didn't know the relationship to each other as &quot;father&quot; and &quot;daughter&quot; at the time of their first meetings. Currently, Saul and Caprica Six do know of the quasi parent-child relationship, as do Tyrol and Sharon Valerii. Cavil's relationship with Ellen and Tigh is more familial as seen thus far by the actions and words of Ellen including &quot;I love you John, because I made you,&quot; and her attempt to hug him implying a mother-son relationship. Since Saul Tigh and Caprica Six have no direct memory of their prior relationship, there are no feelings of pseudo-incestuous implications.<br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multi-layered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place. He also fears that he truly is a disappointment to his creators.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt - something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Ander's brain, Ander's instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as Anders clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> * Although we can now be sure that the Final Five had the same personal names in their old lives as they do now, none of their surnames have yet been used in relation to their original selves.<br /> *This episode further displays the Cavils' unity of thought and personality that none of the other models have displayed. After the destruction of the Hub, the original Cavil who started the Civil War, who called Boomer his 'pet Eight' was killed by D'Anna. However, the Cavil who provides a drink to Ellen carries the same thoughts and conclusions as the recently deceased Cavil. This further propagates the notion that the Cavils desire to be more machine than human as each particular Cavil does not appear to show any divergent or creative thought from each other. They appear to all share the same memories and train of thought while other models like the Sixes and Eights have shown time and time again that each individual in the model line can break from the pack so to speak.<br /> *In a not so subtle hint to the audience, when Boomer asks Ellen why would she want to love humans and who would she want to love, immediately the scene shifts to Tyrol walking to the waiting area outside of sickbay.<br /> *Ishay's cold response to Kara after Ander's surgery is a subtle hint of the disdain that Ishay has towards the Cylons. Unlike Doc Cottle who treats his patients the same, human or Cylon, Ishay's facial responses in the last couple of episodes have shown extreme discomfort of treating the Cylons. She will do her job, but her response to Kara's attempts to speak to Ander post-surgery displayed a cold-heartedness towards her &quot;patient.&quot; This flies against what is typically prescribed by doctors of comatose patients who would encourage family members to speak to their loved ones in order to stimulate brain activity and maybe revive their patients.<br /> *When Anders mentioned that the 12 Tribes' Centurions had already begun their attempt to create flesh bodies, this did not seem to surprise Anders. This may hint to the 13th Tribe's origins as they may have begun the same way. They as Cylons developed &quot;flesh&quot; bodies and the organic memory transfer technology on Kobol. However, after they found and settled on Earth, this resurrection technology was lost to time and had to be reinvented. The Final Five's negotiated deal with the 12 Tribes' Centurions seemed to be motivated by their desire to not repeat the cycle by giving the Centurions what the 13th Tribes ancestors had achieved. However, their reasoning for not allowing biological reproduction in the 8 humanoid models seemed to indicate a plan to bring Cylon and Human together.<br /> *It would appear that each humanoid Cylon model was given both a name and a model number by the Final Five. The Number One models prefer not to use names. This logically follows the pattern that the John/Cavil models have shown, that they prefer to be more machine than human, thus lean toward using an impersonal identification system vs. the personal names given to them by the Final Five.<br /> *This episode sheds light on why the D'Anna model were able to &quot;see&quot; the Final Five in their post-death and pre-resurrected states, but were unable to recall the faces definitively once they were resurrected into their physical bodies. The Cavils apparently had hardwired all of the Significant Sevens bodies to purposely block out any type of memory that involved the Final Five. They were programmed to not &quot;think&quot; of the Final Five, but as Ellen explained to Boomer, the Significant Seven were given &quot;free will&quot; and it apparently had overridden John's reprogramming.<br /> *The fact that a team of &quot;Simons&quot; were preparing to perform the neural surgery on Ellen suggests that at one point in time the Cavils had revealed Ellen's existence to at least the Number Fours. How much they know about her is not clear.<br /> *The Centurion's response to Ellen after her resurrection seems to indicate that the Centurions also know who the Final Five are. The Centurion's reluctance to help Ellen initially indicated that it was unsure whether it was allowed to help her, upon which she reassured it was allowed to.<br /> *The Centurions on Cavil's baseship appear to have not been tampered with or had their neural inhibitors restored as the Centurions on his baseship do not appear as curious of their surroundings as the Rebel Cylons' baseship centurions.<br /> *Ellen's motherly and kind tone towards the Centurion after her resurrection reinforces Anders' explanation later that the Final Five wanted to tell the 12 tribes to treat their Centurions well.<br /> *As he has been for several episodes, the Admiral is shown taking medicine for apparent pain. The nature of his ailment has not yet been revealed.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> ===Characters===<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War?<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * Did the Final Five use the same surnames before Cavil altered their memories, as well as the same first names?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship? Will Tory reveal to Tyrol that she killed Cally?<br /> * Has either Ellen Tigh or Cavil told Boomer that Tyrol is a Cylon? Will this cause Boomer and Tyrol to rekindle their old relationship? Will the example of Saul Tigh and Caprica Six's pregnancy by him open up to her the possibility of it? <br /> * How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point? How will Boomer react to Athena? How would Athena react to Boomer?<br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of Cavil's plot?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> * What did Anders mean when he seemed to indicate that Ellen is the &quot;mother of humanity&quot;?<br /> * Is Ellen the &quot;mother of humanity&quot; and if not, who did Cavil deceived?<br /> <br /> ===Number Seven===<br /> * Was [[Number Seven]] named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Besides Cavil, were the other Cylons aware of Number Seven's short-lived existence?<br /> <br /> ===The Cycle===<br /> * What is the exact nature of this Cycle? How long has it been going on for? Can it ever be broken?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions' form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])<br /> ** What happened to the Centurions that destroyed Earth?<br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power(which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Where do the Basestar hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Where does [[Kara Thrace]] fit into all of this?<br /> * Why has [[The Music|the song]] written by Anders become a special signal/trigger for the Final Five?<br /> <br /> ===Resurrection Technology===<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * Where is this [[The Colony|other colony]] that Ellen supposedly stored her resurrection equipment on? Does it have a name? Is Anders aware of it?<br /> * What is the status of the research ship the Final Five used to leave Earth 2000 years ago?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Did anyone else on Earth besides the Five contribute to the re-invention of the resurrection technology?<br /> <br /> ===Other Questions===<br /> * What became of the lower level mutineers in [[The Oath]] and [[Blood on the Scales]]? Were they prosecuted for their actions, or were they given an amnesty in spite of Adama's threat there would be no forgiveness for any mutineer? <br /> * How do Ellen and Boomer intend to locate the Fleet?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] be resolved?<br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> **Bio-engineering and jump drives represent different realms of technology and are not directly related. Progress in one is therefore not a prerequisite for progress in the other.<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> ** The 12 Tribes' Centurions/Cylons had over 40 years to improve upon Colonial Jump-technology. As it has been shown numerous times during the show, Cylons had developed technologies that are far-more advanced than Colonial technology. As they had 40 years of isolation to test and improve upon designs, it is not inconceivable to see how a race of cybernetic creatures would constantly improve upon technology. For example, the current line of Centurions vs. the original Centurions are far more advance in technology, battle effectiveness, and intelligence.<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil since shortly after the Cylon occupation of Caprica. When she first downloaded, after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica, she still thought of herself as a human, had a human outlook, and hated her Cylon being. She even kept her old apartment on Caprica. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had, from her point of view, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil after the failure of the [[New Caprica]] occupation, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> :''Her attitude toward love seems not only to have been influenced by Cavil, but also is an reaction over her experiences of the failure of the New Caprica experiment and the rejection by [[Hera]], fellow Eight [[Sharon Agathon]]'s child from which she probably felt that being a Cylon she will never know the love of a child of her own. In reaction, she almost killed Hera but was prevented from doing so by Caprica Six. After which she seemed to had made the decision to follow the virulently anti human Cavil, the very antithesis of what she previous believed. This is possibly a symptom of an emotional compensation coping mechanism due to her traumatic experiences.''<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> *[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Jane Espenson and Ryan Mottesheard about the episode:]<br /> * &quot;The Colony&quot; is definitely of significance.<br /> * The Earth was destroyed by an uprising of Centurions that the humanoid Cylons created.<br /> * Cavil kept at least one blank body for each of the Five. The fact that none were killed in the war until Ellen died at her husband's hands is a source of frustration for him.<br /> * Cavil probably wouldn't be happy in a metal body either.<br /> * Like the Ones and Sevens, the Twos, Threes, Fours, Fives, Sixes, and Eights did at one time know and interact with the Final Five, but the Ones corrupted their memories and programmed them not to think of the Final Five.<br /> * The Final Five, and presumably the whole Thirteenth Tribe, were originally polytheists like the other twelve tribes. They became monotheists after encountering the monotheistic Colonial Centurions, a belief system they incorporated into the Significant Eight.<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''John Cavil had just shown a &quot;slide show&quot; - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his human form and his deep seated resentment to Ellen and the other Finals for foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John (repeats): No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? (sneering) With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs (gesturing to his eyes) in my skull! (disgusted) With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: '''I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN!''' I want to see [[Wikipedia:gamma rays|gamma rays!]] I want to hear [[Wikipedia:X-rays|X-rays!]] And I want to--I want to smell [[Wikipedia:dark matter|dark matter!]] Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to--I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! (closes eyes) And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me!! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! (softly) I can experience so much more. '''BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY?''' Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> :(Cavil walks out of the chamber)<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173444 2009-02-17T02:19:42Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Questions */ added a question</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of Centurions firing upon humans during the events of [[Razor]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models are known]]--one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] prepares to drill holes in [[Samuel Anders]]'s head to relieve pressure caused a hematoma caused by a ricocheting bullet that struck him in the head ([[Blood on the Scales]]).<br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;Is that right? So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl&quot;]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made a intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Cylons, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Thirteenth Tribe merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen replies that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some alcohol in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of another colony planet where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that the warning signs they all saw on Earth were different as well, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters. After washing his face, he begins to see the unraveling of his battlestar within his own cabin...cracks in the bathroom wall.<br /> <br /> * Back in time, on the baseship, Sharon Valerii looks down at the sketch of Saul Tigh and asks Ellen how she can deal with the possibility that he may hate her for everything that she's done. Ellen responds that, maybe, Saul doesn't despise her, because &quot;love is like that sometimes.&quot;<br /> * Valerii hands her a gown to wear for surgery, but Ellen refuses it, believing it to be one of John's last acts of humiliation. She says, &quot;You should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]],&quot; to Valerii's confusion. &quot;Never mind. Let's get this over with,&quot; Ellen says as Valerii escorts her away.<br /> * As they make their way down a hallway in the baseship, Ellen tries to plead with Valerii, asking her if she really wants to go through with John's vivisection of Ellen. Valerii responds that she has thought about it--and directs Ellen into the seat of a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii guides the Raptor out into space. Under gunfire from launched Raiders, the Raptor jumps to safety.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief. Do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * Ellen Tigh remarks to [[Sharon Valerii]] when she comes to escort Ellen to surgery that she &quot;...should have brought a tumbrel.&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] On Earth during the French Revolution in the 1780's, many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in a tumbrel. Ellen was sardonically referring to this in her remark to Valerii. Depending on the historical relationship of real life events and the Colonies in the show-if any-maybe she was referring directly to the French Revolution or a similar parallel event on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies.<br /> * Inchon is the name of a port city in Korea and it was the location of a major battle during the Korean War. During the battle, UN forces under the command of General Douglas MacArthur turned the tables on their communist adversaries and went on to drive the North Korean Army out of the Korean peninsula entirely.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *When Ellen was resurrected, her reaction to the event was very similar to Boomer's first resurrection in Downloaded. However, unlike Boomer, it appears that Ellen's original memories were reactivated and immediately her fear disappeared. This seems to indicate that the memory block that each of the Final Five had imposed on them is limited to their particular physical body. If all Five were killed and allowed to resurrect into new bodies, they would have regain their memories and original personalities.<br /> **The resurrected Ellen has a starkly completely different personality and attitude compared to her &quot;false memories&quot; counterpart. This Ellen carries many motherly qualities and even has shown love, sadness, and care towards Cavil (John).<br /> *Cavil's attempt to block the memories of the Final Five was not completely successful. Numerous times, especially their time on the post-nuculear Earth, memories from their past would resurface. This explains how:<br /> :#Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five.<br /> :#The visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory, and Tigh had on Earth.<br /> *Cavil not only knew about the Final Five, but he purposely kept their identities a secret and perhaps erased their identities from any other Cylon that knew. According to Ellen and Anders, Cavil (John) had developed a warped sense of morality. This morality eventually led to his killing of the Final Five and boxing of their personalities. His path eventually devolved to actions motivated by sadism and jealously upon which he would allow each of the Final Five to be resurrected, but with no memories of their past and implanted with false memories. His motivation for this act was to show the Five how unworthy of existence that humans were. Given that he kept at least one body for each of them he ''wanted'' them to someday return but keep them secret unless they agreed with him like he did with Ellen.<br /> *Given Cavil's warped sense of justice, he is likely the Cylon that triggered the second war. He claims to want justice for the Centurions indicating he may have been the one that precipitated what happened.<br /> *Cavil may be lying somewhat about his motives: he claims that he wants justice for the Centurions being enslaved yet he basically did the same thing by putting the inhibitor in that made them non-sentient. If he truly wanted justice, he wouldn't have done that as it makes him just as bad.<br /> **Cavil's reaction to the Rebel Cylons' disabling of the neural inhibitor may be based on his knowledge of what had occurred with the 13th Tribe's Centurions and with the 12 Tribes' Centurions. He may be worried that a third Centurion uprising would occur again.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after-effects of the mutiny as the wounded was in sickbay with an overflow of patients in the outside corridor. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aids. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of Alan Laird shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> * The Cylon religious belief in a single God who is loving and merciful originated with the Cylon Centurions from the Twelve Colonies. The Final Five embraced this belief after encountering the Centurions, and incorporated it into the Significant Eight.<br /> *There are two possible reasons as to why Adama was unwilling initially to use Cylon technology to repair Galactica.<br /> :#It stemmed from Adama's great love and pride in the Galactica. This love was demonstrated several times during the course of the series, such as when he refused to allow a computer network to be installed. It was also seen in his facial and body reactions whenever he was confronted with the degraded condition of his ship. Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of Galactica in this episode further confirms this.<br /> :#Another possible reason for his insistence that no Cylon technology be installed in Galatica could be a reaction to prevent another mutiny on the ship. He had no qualms of upgrading Galactica's and the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology initially. He even permitted Cylons to do the installs originally, but post-mutiny, when confronted with needing a crew to repair Galactica's internal skeleton, Adama insisted on a human crew. His demand that the repairs be done without Cylon interface may have been a result of him trying to not repeat what had sparked the recently ended mutiny in the first place.<br /> *At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> *Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Bizarrely, despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, their brother twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experimentation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show; that said the issue ''was'' addressed in dialogue in &quot;[[Revelations]]&quot; when Adama pointed out how Tigh used to have hair when they met and reiterated the length of time he'd known him. <br /> * The Final Five can resurrect, this episode confirms. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely a this point given the loss of the Hub) might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programming. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that Number One isn't quite as good a programmer as he thinks he is, OR he has greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five (which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer Battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * John Cavil engages in actions that reveals traits of an [[Wikipedia:Oedipus Complex|Oedipus Complex]] In Greek mythology [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]] killed his own father and married his own mother, engaging in sexual relations and having children with her. However, Oedipus did not know at the time they were his parents. The sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in three senses: She is his creator and he is made in her father's physical image in addition to being given her father's name. In addition, he tortured and abused Saul Tigh, his father and husband of Ellen who where husband and wife both in the distant past and on New Caprica. The major difference is that they are not biologically related to Cavil (as far as it is known) and Cavil knew that Ellen and Tigh were his &quot;parents&quot; unlike Oedipus. <br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal, and like Oedipus, they didn't know the relationship to each other as &quot;father&quot; and &quot;daughter&quot; at the time of their first meetings. Currently Saul and Caprica Six do know of the quasi parent child relationship as does Tyrol and Sharon Valerii. Cavil's relationship with Ellen and Tigh is more parental like as seen thus far by the actions and words of Ellen including &quot;I love you John, because I made you.&quot; and her attempt to hug him implies a mother son relationship, at least on Ellen's part. Since Saul Tigh and Caprica Six has no direct memory of their prior relationship there are no feeling of pseudo incestuous implications.<br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multilayered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt - something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Ander's brain, Ander's instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as he clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> * Although we can now be sure that the Final Five had the same personal names in their old lives as they do now, none of their surnames have yet been used in relation to their original selves.<br /> *This episode further displays the Cavils unity of thought and personality that none of the other models have displayed. After the destruction of the Hub, the original Cavil who started the Civil War, who called Boomer his 'pet Eight' was killed by D'Anna. However, the Cavil who provides a drink to Ellen carries the same thoughts and conclusions as the recently deceased Cavil. This further propagates the notion that the Cavils desire to be more machine than human as each particular Cavil does not appear to show any divergent or creative thought from each other. They appear to all share the same memories and train of thought while other models like the Sixes and Eights have shown time and time again that each individual in the model line can break from the pack so to speak.<br /> *In a not so subtle hint to the audience, when Boomer asks Ellen why would she want to love humans and who would she want to love, immediately the scene shifts to Tyrol walking to the the waiting area outside of sickbay.<br /> *Ishay's cold response to Kara after Ander's surgery is a subtle hint of the disdain that Ishay has towards the Cylons. Unlike Doc Cottle who treats his patients the same, human or Cylon, Ishay's facial responses in the last couple of episodes have shown extreme discomfort of treating the Cylons. She will do her job, but her response to Kara's attempts to speak to Ander post-surgery displayed a cold-heartedness towards her &quot;patient.&quot; This flies against what is typically prescribed by doctors of comatose patients who would encourage family members to speak to their loved ones in order to stimulate brain activity and maybe revive their patients.<br /> *When Anders mentioned that the 12 Tribes' Centurions had already begun their attempt to create flesh bodies, this did not seem to surprise Anders. This may hint to the 13th Tribe's origins as they may have begun the same way. They as Cylons developed &quot;flesh&quot; bodies and the organic memory transfer technology on Kobol. However, after they found and settled on Earth, this resurrection technology was lost to time and had to be reinvented. The Final Five's negotiated deal with the 12 Tribes' Centurions seemed to be motivated by their desire to not repeat the cycle by giving the centurions what the 13th Tribes ancestors had achieved. However, their reasoning for not allowing biological reproduction in the 8 humanoid models seemed to indicate a plan to bring Cylon and Human together.<br /> *Each Humanoid Cylon Model appears to have a name given to them by the Final Five vs. the model numbers that had been used in series. This indicates the possibility that the model numbers were given after John had murdered the Final Five and erased evidence of their existence. This logically follows the pattern that the John/Cavil models have shown, that they prefer to be more machine than human, thus lean toward using an impersonal identification system vs. the personal names given to them by the Final Five.<br /> *This episode sheds light on why the D'Anna model were able to &quot;see&quot; the Final Five in their post-death and pre-resurrected states, but were unable to recall the faces definitively once they were resurrected into their physical bodies. The Cavils apparently had hardwired all of the Significant Sevens bodies to purposely block out any type of memory that involved the Final Five. They were programmed to not &quot;think&quot; of the Final Five, but as Elen explained to Boomer, the Significant Seven were given &quot;free will&quot; and it apparently had overridden John's reprogramming.<br /> *The fact that a team of &quot;Simons&quot; were preparing to perform the neural surgery on Ellen suggests that at one point in time the Cavils had revealed to at least the Simons about Ellen's existence. Whether they know that she is one of the Final Five is not clear.<br /> *The centurion's response to Ellen after her resurrection seems to indicate that the Centurious also know who the Final Five are. The centurion's reluctance to help Ellen initially indicated that it was unsure whether it was allowed to help her, upon which she reassured it was allowed to.<br /> *The centurions on Cavil's baseship appear to have not been tampered with or had their neural inhibitors restored as the centurions on his baseship do not appear as curious of their surroundings as the Rebel Cylons' baseship centurions.<br /> *Ellen's motherly and kind tone towards the centurion after her resurrection reinforce Ander's explanation later that the Final Five wanted to tell the 12 tribes to treat their centurions well.<br /> *Once again, has he has been for several episodes, the Admiral is shown taking medicine for apparent pain. The nature of his ailment has not yet been revealed.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> ===Characters===<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War?<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * Did the Final Five use the same surnames before Cavil altered their memories, as well as the same first names?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship? Will Tory reveal to Tyrol that she killed Cally?<br /> * Will Boomer and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship? How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point? How will Boomer react to Athena? <br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of Cavil's plot?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> <br /> ===Number Seven===<br /> * Was [[Number Seven]] named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Does the fact that Sam Anders saw Kara Thrace glowing along with the other four Final Five before his seizure indicate she is Number Seven?<br /> * Besides Cavil, were the other Cylons aware of Number Seven's short-lived existence?<br /> <br /> ===The Cycle===<br /> * What is the exact nature of this Cycle? How long has it been going on for?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? <br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power(which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Where do the Basestar hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Where does [[Kara Thrace]] fit into all of this?<br /> * What is the nature of the Music?<br /> <br /> ===Resurrection Technology===<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * Where is this other colony that Ellen supposedly stored her resurrection equipment on? Does it have a name? Is Anders aware of it?<br /> * What is the status of the research ship the Final Five used to leave Earth 2000 years ago?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Did anyone else on Earth besides the Five contribute to the re-invention of the resurrection technology?<br /> <br /> ===Other Questions===<br /> * How do Ellen and Boomer intend to locate the Fleet?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] be resolved?<br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> ** The 12 Tribes' Centurions/Cylons had over 40 years to improve upon Colonial Jump-technology. As it has been shown numerous times during the show, Cylons had developed technologies that are far-more advanced than Colonial technology. As they had 40 years of isolation to test and improve upon designs, it is not inconceivable to see how a race of cybernetic creatures would constantly improve upon technology. For example, the current line of centurions vs. the original centurions are far more advance in technology, battle effectiveness, and intelligence.<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;The Hub&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil since the Cylon occupation of Caprica. When she first downloaded, after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica, she still thought of herself as a human, had a human outlook, and hated her Cylon being. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had, from her point of view, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''John Cavil had just shown a &quot;slide show&quot; - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his human form and his deep seated resentment to Ellen and the other Finals for foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John (repeats): No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? (sneering) With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs (gesturing to his eyes) in my skull! (disgusted) With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: '''I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN!''' I want to see [[Wikipedia:gamma rays|gamma rays!]] I want to hear [[Wikipedia:X-rays|X-rays!]] And I want to--I want to smell [[Wikipedia:dark matter|dark matter!]] Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to--I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! (closes eyes) And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me!! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! (softly) I can experience so much more. '''BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY?''' Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> :(Cavil walks out of the chamber)<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173316 2009-02-16T05:53:10Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Questions */ added a question</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of what appears to be Centurions boarding a [[Galactica type battlestar]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models were known]]--one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] prepares to drill holes in [[Samuel Anders]]'s head to relieve pressure caused a hematoma caused by a ricocheting bullet that struck him in the head ([[Blood on the Scales]]).<br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;It's okay. So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made a intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Cylons, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Thirteenth Tribe merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen counters that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some alcohol in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of another colony planet where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that the warning signs they all saw on Earth were different as well, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters. After washing his face, he begins to see the unraveling of his battlestar within his own cabin...cracks in the bathroom wall.<br /> <br /> * Back in time, on the baseship, Sharon Valerii asks Ellen how she can deal with John's hatred of her. Ellen considers that, maybe, John doesn't despise her.<br /> * Valerii hands her a gown to wear for surgery, but Ellen refuses it, believing it to be one of John's last acts of humiliation. She says, &quot;You should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]],&quot; to Valerii's confusion. &quot;Never mind. Let's get this over with,&quot; Ellen says as Valerii escorts her away.<br /> * As they make their way down a hallway in the baseship, Ellen tries to plead with Valerii, asking her if she really wants to go through with John's vivisection of Ellen. Valerii responds that she has thought about it--and directs Ellen into the seat of a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii guides the Raptor out into space. Under gunfire from launched Raiders, the Raptor jumps to safety.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief. Do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * Ellen Tigh remarks to [[Sharon Valerii]] when she comes to escort Ellen to surgery that she &quot;...should have brought a tumbrel.&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] On Earth during the French Revolution in the 1780's, many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in a tumbrel. Ellen was sardonically referring to this in her remark to Valerii. Depending on the historical relationship of real life events and the Colonies in the show-if any-maybe she was referring directly to the French Revolution or a similar parallel event on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies. <br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *The whole thing about the blocked memories may explain how Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five: he'd been there before on his way to the Colonies so the location was in his blocked but not erased memories. They may have subconciously guided him there as he was pretty close by.<br /> *The blocked memories may also explain the visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory (apparently) and Tigh had on Earth: they were simply a bit of their blocked memories surfacing perhaps brought on by their locations: Tyrol and Tigh were where they died, Anders picked up part of an instrument that was either his or extremly similar and Tory's vision (it was indicated she had one) was never shown so its unknown what triggered it.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after affects of the mutiny. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aids. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of Alan Laird shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> * The Cylon religious belief in a single God who is loving and merciful originated with the Cylon Centurions from the Twelve Colonies. The Final Five embraced this belief after encountering the Centurions, and incorporated it into the Significant Eight.<br /> * Although, to some degree, Adama's unwillingness to use Cylons (save Tyrol) and their technology in the repair of Galactica is hypocritical, given his forcing other ships into Cylon upgrades, it can also be seen as stemming from Adama's great love and pride in the Galactica. Said love has been stated repeatedly over the course of the series, and Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of Galactica in this episode further confirms this. As such it is logical that he would be averse of Cylons and Cylon technology having anything to do with Galacitca, as he would see it as an affront to 'his girl'.<br /> * At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> * Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Bizarrely, despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, their brother twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experiementation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show,<br /> * The Final Five can resurrect, this episode confirms. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely a this point given the loss of the Hub)might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programing. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that Number One isn't quite as good a programmer as he thinks he is, OR he has greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five(which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer Battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * The brief sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in two senses, she is his creator and he is made in her father's image.<br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal.<br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multilayered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt - something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Ander's brain, Ander's instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as he clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship?<br /> * Will Boomer and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship?<br /> * How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * Was Number Seven named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Does the fact that Sam Anders saw Kara Thrace glowing along with the other four Final Five before his seizure indicate she is Number Seven?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] resolve?<br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of a plot?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power(which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? <br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War? At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Where do the Basestar hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;The Hub&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil for thee years since at least after the occupation of Caprica. Before that, when she first downloaded after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica she still thought of herself as a human with a human out look and hated her Cylon being. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had from her POV, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''John Cavil had just shown a ''slide show'' - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. John Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his form:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John [repeats] No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. <br /> <br /> :John: And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? [sneering] With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs [gesturing to his eyes] in my skull! [disgusted] With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: '''I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN!''' I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! And I want to--I want to smell dark matter! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to--I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! [closes eyes] And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me!! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! [softly] I can experience so much more. '''BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY?''' Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> :[Cavil walks out of the chamber]<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173314 2009-02-16T05:49:08Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Analysis */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of what appears to be Centurions boarding a [[Galactica type battlestar]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models were known]]--one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] prepares to drill holes in [[Samuel Anders]]'s head to relieve pressure caused a hematoma caused by a ricocheting bullet that struck him in the head ([[Blood on the Scales]]).<br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;It's okay. So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made a intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Cylons, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Thirteenth Tribe merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen counters that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some alcohol in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of another colony planet where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that the warning signs they all saw on Earth were different as well, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters. After washing his face, he begins to see the unraveling of his battlestar within his own cabin...cracks in the bathroom wall.<br /> <br /> * Back in time, on the baseship, Sharon Valerii asks Ellen how she can deal with John's hatred of her. Ellen considers that, maybe, John doesn't despise her.<br /> * Valerii hands her a gown to wear for surgery, but Ellen refuses it, believing it to be one of John's last acts of humiliation. She says, &quot;You should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]],&quot; to Valerii's confusion. &quot;Never mind. Let's get this over with,&quot; Ellen says as Valerii escorts her away.<br /> * As they make their way down a hallway in the baseship, Ellen tries to plead with Valerii, asking her if she really wants to go through with John's vivisection of Ellen. Valerii responds that she has thought about it--and directs Ellen into the seat of a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii guides the Raptor out into space. Under gunfire from launched Raiders, the Raptor jumps to safety.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief. Do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * Ellen Tigh remarks to [[Sharon Valerii]] when she comes to escort Ellen to surgery that she &quot;...should have brought a tumbrel.&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] On Earth during the French Revolution in the 1780's, many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in a tumbrel. Ellen was sardonically referring to this in her remark to Valerii. Depending on the historical relationship of real life events and the Colonies in the show-if any-maybe she was referring directly to the French Revolution or a similar parallel event on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies. <br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *The whole thing about the blocked memories may explain how Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five: he'd been there before on his way to the Colonies so the location was in his blocked but not erased memories. They may have subconciously guided him there as he was pretty close by.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after affects of the mutiny. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aids. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of Alan Laird shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> * The Cylon religious belief in a single God who is loving and merciful originated with the Cylon Centurions from the Twelve Colonies. The Final Five embraced this belief after encountering the Centurions, and incorporated it into the Significant Eight.<br /> * Although, to some degree, Adama's unwillingness to use Cylons (save Tyrol) and their technology in the repair of Galactica is hypocritical, given his forcing other ships into Cylon upgrades, it can also be seen as stemming from Adama's great love and pride in the Galactica. Said love has been stated repeatedly over the course of the series, and Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of Galactica in this episode further confirms this. As such it is logical that he would be averse of Cylons and Cylon technology having anything to do with Galacitca, as he would see it as an affront to 'his girl'.<br /> * At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> * Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Bizarrely, despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, their brother twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experiementation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show,<br /> * The Final Five can resurrect, this episode confirms. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely a this point given the loss of the Hub)might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programing. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that Number One isn't quite as good a programmer as he thinks he is, OR he has greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five(which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer Battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * The brief sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in two senses, she is his creator and he is made in her father's image.<br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal.<br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multilayered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt - something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Ander's brain, Ander's instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as he clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship?<br /> * Will Boomer and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship?<br /> * How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * Was Number Seven named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] resolve?<br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of a plot?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power(which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? <br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War? At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Where do the Basestar hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;The Hub&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil for thee years since at least after the occupation of Caprica. Before that, when she first downloaded after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica she still thought of herself as a human with a human out look and hated her Cylon being. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had from her POV, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''John Cavil had just shown a ''slide show'' - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. John Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his form:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John [repeats] No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. <br /> <br /> :John: And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? [sneering] With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs [gesturing to his eyes] in my skull! [disgusted] With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: '''I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN!''' I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! And I want to--I want to smell dark matter! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to--I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! [closes eyes] And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me!! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! [softly] I can experience so much more. '''BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY?''' Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> :[Cavil walks out of the chamber]<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:No_Exit/Archive_1&diff=173313 2009-02-16T05:41:25Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>==Call Sheet==<br /> <br /> Can anyone please sharpen the image of the sheet and put the contents here? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Well, to me the picture looks like it has been deliberately modified to be unreadable, as only the set details are blurry. [[User:Raziel Anarki|Raziel Anarki]] 17:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Ellen's resurrection==<br /> How can Ellen download without resurrection technology? Does that mean that Ellen is not in the womb of Caprica 6? (Or does Caprica 6 and/or child die forcing resurrection?) Which basestar has she resurrected on?<br /> [[User:Seven of Nine|Seven of Nine]] 12:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Ellen died and resurrected at the time of the exodus from New Caprica, months before the destruction of the Resurrection Hub. Don't forget, they do flashbacks that follow the events that happened since, such as the algae planet. -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 10:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Plot hole==<br /> Found a major plot hole regarding the Journey of the Five. Anders states that they traveled at near-light speed from Earth to the Colonies, resulting in a time dilation effect. Time passed slower aboard the ship than it did in real space. Since Earth was nuked 2000 years ago, then that means 2000 years passed in real space while a considerably shorter amount of time passed aboard the Five's space ship. We don't know the exact amount of time that passed aboard the ship, but it is safe to assume that it would have been considerably less than 2000 years. The question becomes: how far does the ship travel? If the time dilation effect results in 2000 years passing in real space, then the Five space ship must have traveled at most only a few light years to reach the colonies. If, for example, only 5 years pass aboard the Five ship and they are traveling close to light speed, then they can only travel a bit less than 5 light years to reach their destination. Which means the Colonies and Earth are *much* closer to each other than the series has let on. Even given a roundabout journey by the RTFF, the distance to the Algae Planet alone would have to be very close in order for the Five to stop and plant clues there, to say nothing of the virus probe or the possibility that the Five built the Star Map on Kobol as well.<br /> <br /> [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 08:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> :The ship you mentioned could be sent on its journey years before the Earth's nuclear holocaust. We could even see Allen telling her husband he would be resurrected in one flashback of the holocaust. So this Final Five resurrection ship was quite obviously already on its way to the 12 colonies by the time of the holocaust. A Problem may it be that we have no idea how the final five back on Earth have ever come to acknowledge the existence of Cylons made by the twelve tribes or rather the fact that by the time they are actually going to be constructed by the twelve tribes. -- [[User:FNj|FNj]] 14:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Are you certain you have the right reference frame? It seems to me that if 2000 years passed outside of a ship traveling close to c, then it would have traveled a significantly high fraction of 2000 light years. If we could launch a ship to Alpha Centauri at 99% of c, then those of us on Earth would see it arrive in around 5 years (leaving aside time for acceleration/deceleration), not 100, 1000, or 2000 years. However, anyone on board might only experience a few months. -- [[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 16:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I ran the problem past a physicist and this is what I got:<br /> <br /> The ship from Earth, travelling at near-light speed, takes 2000 years to travel to the Colonies. Anders says they resurrected onto a ship that they built in orbit of Earth, implying that it was still in orbit at the time of the Earth holocaust. Even if the ship had a head start, it would only be a few light years from Earth when the holocaust took place, given that the resurrection project would have to have been completed and installed aboard the ship before it left, and the Five all worked on the project.<br /> <br /> At .99 c, approximately 250 years would pass aboard the Five's ship, while 2000 years would pass in real time. Given the fact that they had resurrection technology, it's easily possible for the Five to survive the trip.<br /> <br /> The continuity problem is that Galactica's journey to Earth is incredibly roundabout, even given a detour to Kobol. It's 13 000 light years from the Algae planet to the Ionian Nebula, while Kobol is only 4000 light years from the same place. (It took light from the first supernova 4000 years to reach Kobol.) Given the other stops Galactica took along the way, they were almost going around in a huge circle (like going from Los Angeles to New York by way of Argentina).<br /> <br /> [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 19:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Seems to me that since we don't know the distances involved, the speed at which the ship was travelling, or the relative positions of the star systems in question it is useless to speculate on this point. For instance, how do you know they didn't run into the Colony Cylons part way there (and jumped with them the rest of the way to 12C)?<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Nature of the Cylons==<br /> <br /> Seems significant to me that the Cylons seem to follow similar patterns on Earth as well as the 12 Colonies. Did mech Cylons occur on Kobol? Also, what became of the Eath mech Centurians? Wouldn't they set out to hunt down the Colonists? What of any survivors from the hybrid basestar in Razor?<br /> <br /> I also wonder about Cavil. Why did he react so strongly to the removal of the telencephalic inhibitors from the Centurians? I would assume that he would feel affinity for them being that he desires to be mechanical in nature. <br /> <br /> Speaking of the Centurians.... just what do THEY think of all this? I hope the writers have addressed some of these points!<br /> <br /> ==Cavil and the Lords of Kobol==<br /> <br /> In the analysis of the episode we should consider adding something mentioning the parallel between Cavil/Ellen's sexual relationship with the kinds of relationships that the Lords of the Kobol had among themselves (mainly Zeus and Hera who were brother and sister '''AND''' husband and wife. This also counts for Saul/Caprica Six and Tyrol/Boomer. There is an interesting irony in how Cavil (an atheist) and Ellen (a monotheist) manage to mirror the behavior of polytheistic deities that they have both rejected. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 05:41, 16 February 2009 (UTC)</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Six_of_One/Archive_1&diff=128360 2007-07-07T02:36:42Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>== Casting Head Baltar?!? ==<br /> [http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&amp;task=type&amp;l=5&amp;c=battlestar#sr] Why would they be casting &quot;Head Baltar&quot;? The only reason I can think of is that James Callis has finally grown so much facial hair he can't just shave and regrow as he used to. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 14:53, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :That's probably why. I have a feeling that Baltar is going to be a bit of a &quot;religious&quot; personage, he'll probably be sporting quite the growth. See [[Beard of Organized Labor]] for a bit of beard background. :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Age is also a possibility, but I'll wait until more information is known, before I engage in speculation about this. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, virtual Baltar could appear to Six as a child or an old man. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:00, 26 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Seven of Nine ==<br /> <br /> It seems like the name for this episode &quot;Six of One&quot; is a reference to the Star Trek: Voyager character '''Seven of Nine''' (another TV show that RMD had a hand in). On a personal note: I think that the name &quot;Six of One&quot; is about how Caprica Six will find true individuality, outside of the Cylon &quot;Collective&quot;, or at least acceptance among the Galactica crew (like Athena). Any thoughts? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:20, 22 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :As noted on the page, the full idiom is &quot;Six of one, half dozen of the other&quot;. The Cylons don't have that much similarities with the Borg and limited shared memories at most. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:14, 22 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: True but it could also be an &quot;easter egg&quot; for the fans (like me) that have way to much time on their hands. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 01:35, 22 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::There's also six known Cylons in the colonial fleet, and six unboxed Cylon models in the Cylon fleet. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:00, 26 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::What if they add a 13th Cylon to the mix? Just to throw us even more off than the whole &quot;Saul is a Cylon&quot;. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 21:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Six_of_One/Archive_1&diff=126749 2007-06-22T06:35:32Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>== Casting Head Baltar?!? ==<br /> [http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&amp;task=type&amp;l=5&amp;c=battlestar#sr] Why would they be casting &quot;Head Baltar&quot;? The only reason I can think of is that James Callis has finally grown so much facial hair he can't just shave and regrow as he used to. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 14:53, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :That's probably why. I have a feeling that Baltar is going to be a bit of a &quot;religious&quot; personage, he'll probably be sporting quite the growth. See [[Beard of Organized Labor]] for a bit of beard background. :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Age is also a possibility, but I'll wait until more information is known, before I engage in speculation about this. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Seven of Nine ==<br /> <br /> It seems like the name for this episode &quot;Six of One&quot; is a reference to the Star Trek: Voyager character '''Seven of Nine''' (another TV show that RMD had a hand in). On a personal note: I think that the name &quot;Six of One&quot; is about how Caprica Six will find true individuality, outside of the Cylon &quot;Collective&quot;, or at least acceptance among the Galactica crew (like Athena). Any thoughts? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:20, 22 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :As noted on the page, the full idiom is &quot;Six of one, half dozen of the other&quot;. The Cylons don't have that much similarities with the Borg and limited shared memories at most. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:14, 22 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: True but it could also be an &quot;easter egg&quot; for the fans (like me) that have way to much time on their hands. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 01:35, 22 June 2007 (CDT)</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Six_of_One/Archive_1&diff=126743 2007-06-22T05:20:43Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>== Casting Head Baltar?!? ==<br /> [http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&amp;task=type&amp;l=5&amp;c=battlestar#sr] Why would they be casting &quot;Head Baltar&quot;? The only reason I can think of is that James Callis has finally grown so much facial hair he can't just shave and regrow as he used to. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 14:53, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :That's probably why. I have a feeling that Baltar is going to be a bit of a &quot;religious&quot; personage, he'll probably be sporting quite the growth. See [[Beard of Organized Labor]] for a bit of beard background. :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Age is also a possibility, but I'll wait until more information is known, before I engage in speculation about this. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 13 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Seven of Nine ==<br /> <br /> It seems like the name for this episode &quot;Six of One&quot; is a reference to the Star Trek: Voyager character '''Seven of Nine''' (another TV show that RMD had a hand in). On a personal note: I think that the name &quot;Six of One&quot; is about how Caprica Six will find true individuality, outside of the Cylon &quot;Collective&quot;, or at least acceptance among the Galactica crew (like Athena). Any thoughts? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:20, 22 June 2007 (CDT)</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mishakal&diff=114816 2007-03-28T23:00:55Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>&lt;!-- User/Character Template --&gt;<br /> {{User Data|<br /> |photo=<br /> |name= Josh B. Bulington<br /> |age= 20<br /> |location= Indiana<br /> |countrycode= US<br /> |email= his_eternal_holiness@yahoo.com<br /> |gmail=<br /> |aim =<br /> |callsign= Mishakal<br /> |parents=Two<br /> |siblings= One (half) Sister<br /> |children=<br /> |marital status=Single<br /> |occupation= Jack of all trades<br /> |rank=<br /> |admin=<br /> |nocat=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> My favorite episode is [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Crossroads,_Part_II/Archive1&diff=114399 2007-03-25T20:10:18Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Predictions-part 2 */</p> <hr /> <div>== Promo Pics ==<br /> Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000aaqbh here]. Hard believe that's the last for Season 3. However, they may release a few more for this episode. At least there's the 2-hr movie between seasons. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:03, 27 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> That promo pic of Six, Baltar, and Hera appears to be shot in the &quot;Final Five&quot; room. Anyone else notice this? [[User:Paulmooreparks|Paulmooreparks]] 19:57, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> : Yes, indeed I did. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:02, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::Baltar's been having visions of Six and Hera in the opera house since season 1, so it's not necessarily connected to the Final Five. Since this episode will reveal 1 or 4 of the Final Five depending on which interview you go by, there's a pretty good chance that it relates to them as well. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:16, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::Am I completely off-base in thinking that that's Virtual Baltar alongside Virtual Six? Because the other photos of that episode show the &quot;real&quot; Baltar still quite disheveled with a thick beard while that Baltar is clean-shaven, not unlike Caprica's Baltar. Didn't Ron Moore say something about the two alter-egos being key figures in the last episodes of the season? --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:50, 3 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::Not really &quot;off base&quot;, in fact I think that's the most popular theory in general. So unless we're all off base.....which is admitedly possible :P --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:37, 3 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::::If they are able to interact with eachother it would have significant implications regarding their nature. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:50, 7 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::::The virtual Baltar normally wears the unique pinstripe suit from the Miniseries, which I don't see here. I do believe this is a visualization and that is Virtual Six, for the Opera House doesn't exist. If the two alter-egos do somehow directly interact, some Serious Shit will ensure, but damned if I can really glean what. This is as big of a season stumper as season 2's cliffhanger. And, no, Kara Thrace will NOT be one of the Five. But it may be, in my guess, one of these three, although they don't realize it: Dualla, Tigh, or Gaeta. I still hold exception to the fact that what Three saw may be the five priests of the Temple of Five, who just so happen to have incarnations in the current timeline. (Note the monkey that exited my anus and is waving at you). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Predictions==<br /> Well, it's early, and I don't care to step on Slander's toes, but I have forseen an event in Crossroads, Part II. The top 5 American Idol contestants cameo as... '''THE FINAL FIVE!''' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:06, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> *I'd like to make a motion that all Predictions in Talk pages be deleted as they are assinine and serve no other purpose than to promote the person making the prediction. Predictions should be in Forums and chatrooms or discussion groups, not here.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:29, 15 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> **Dude... they're friggin' jokes. No need to be so uptight. You're reminding me of Merv. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:07, 15 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> *** Motion denied. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 12:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> OK. The purpose of a talk page is for ''brief'' discussions and questions about the article. Generally, the humorous &quot;predictions&quot; in other talk pages have not detracted from the talk page's purpose or grown in size, and honestly have given me a chuckle, although my feelings on the matter aren't the sole vote about it. Provided that we don't get into numerous predictions from many users to the talk page in some way, I don't see a problem with it at this time. If there's still a problem about it, a silly page could have a bulleted series of such humor if approved by consensus (although I doubt this would work, [[BW:NOT|we're not a forum]]). Sometimes, predictions are fun ''and'' on-topic: See [[Talk:Exodus, Part II]] where I made a good guess. Now, what's considered &quot;funny&quot; is very subjective. I don't think BB's jest is nearly as humorous as, say, the shining white Final Five being revealed as the ''Jackson Five'' or something. Jokes are OK. If it's a bad one, ignore the poster. If a talk page gets too long, ask an admin to moderate if you can't get others to end a pointless or irrelevant topic. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Damn I should've thought of the Jackson Five... --20:10, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/Slanderpanic/1tito.jpg Tito rules!] On a more serious note, if people object to my predictions, I'll stop doing them. Honestly, this sort of in-joke is inevitable when an Internet community develops. In my opinion, it's healthy for us to not take things ''too'' seriously, or we turn into a bunch of elitists. (If anyone in the history of anything has ever needed a collective wedgie, it's Wikipedia's editing community.) Anyway, as there are currently two &quot;Predictions&quot; topics on this Talk page, I think I'll take the rest of the year off, until it comes time to speculate about the DVD-movie and season four. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 14:19, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==the commercial==<br /> <br /> hey the commercial has anders voice syaing &quot;yeah we're cylons&quot; WTF --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 21:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378<br /> :I don't know whose voice it is, but the line is definitely &quot;It's true, we're Cylons&quot;. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:12, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :At first, I thought it was Anders speaking, just because his face appeared at the same moment. {{spoilli|On subsequent viewing, I think it's...drum roll...Chief Tyrol!}} --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 12:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Read the thing linked below. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Predictions-part 2==<br /> <br /> <br /> I was surfing on the internet, trying to find some spoilers (lol) for the 3rd season finale, and came across this baby: http://www.thetvremote.com/battlestar-galactica-season-finale-spoilers/ (huge spoilers, so don t go there if u don t wanna read em). So, the text reveals who are the 4 of the final 5. As we already know, without the websites help, some of the final five are living and working in the colonial fleet. The 4 that are in question have a past, and we even saw a few times their memories, and we know that they lived in the colonies for quite some time. That being said, the website isn’t really convincing. But then, we know that the final five are special. We don t know what they are, we could suppose that they are more than the other cylon models, much more. We could even think that they are some sort of gods, now that too being said, I can t help but to think that those final 5, being special could have been planted in the colonies before the attacks of the miniseries. There is also a thing about Starbuck and a thing about finding earth on the website. I don t know what are their sources but the text seems very interesting and gives some very interesting ideas. {{unsigned|DedMed}}<br /> <br /> :Many of the spoilers fit with what occurred in &quot;Crossroads, Part II,&quot; but it brings up many new questions, too. If true, the information completely wrecks or substantially modifies what we thought Cylons were and when they came about. It should be an interesting episode, to say the least. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::HOLY FRAKKIN FRAK! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::The spoilers from part 1 were correct, adding some credibility. The really shocking part is that one of the alledged final five was around during the Cylon War (yes, you heard it right, the [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] is a Cylon, I'm surprised no one made the connection when we've known that she has at least a dozen copies since the miniseries :D). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:27, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I kind of wish I hadn't read them, but I couldn't help myself. Goddamit! --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 12:26, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Goddamnit is exactly the word. ''Goddamnit!'' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:03, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I took my comments about the spoliers out... but just so you know. if that link is true... and it's implied in the video teaser for this episode. I'm starting to see the show in shark infested waters. But I imagine everything is not what it seems. Especially with my homedog Col. Tigh. If he really is (spolier)... then I'm gonna start to lose interest in BSG for real. But honestly I think that is all a &quot;misunderstanding&quot; or perhaps some link to the final five... who I insist are NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 19:58, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'm sorry I can't resist posting again. Ok, the final Five, as I stated are not Cylons but are a third faction, some ancient group probably five prophets who orchestrated all of this. It's the only way I can deal with this: I will not be happy if certain persons are in actuality certain entities. Especially people who have been around too long, who lived before the first cylon attack. Sigh... I guess the Caprica TV show will possibly delve into it... but dammit, that show better be frakking good. This show is going too far into paranormal and starting to suffer from hollywood interference. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 20:23, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Dude... They're kinda definitionally cylons. They say there're 12 models. We've seen 7. There are 5 more. The Final Five. Done and done. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:28, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> No offense, but I do believe we have enough reason to totally disregard that conclusion. Firstly, and might I add, perfectly timed, the main page has a link to &quot;Who is a cylon&quot;, with a website, blog, and a nice canon explanation of who is and likely is not a Cylon. Saul Tigh... Whom I call &quot;The Tigh Dog&quot;... but who is known also as &quot;The Tigh Fighter&quot; (YES!) can't possibly BE a cylon. And why? Just as I stated, he's been known by Adama for too long (at least prior to the FIRST war). Second, this leads to my speculation from the talk on Crossroads Part 1... Even if these guys are the Final Five... they still aren't cylons. The Final Five are not Cylons. That's what I have been suspecting ever since the Oracle gave prophecy to Biers... ever since The Hybrid gave prophecy to Baltar. That's when I remembered Shelly from &quot;Six Degrees of Seperation&quot;. Tigh is so not a cylon. If Tigh is a cylon... I mean really a cylon... this show has jumped the shark. Yes I'm sure they THINK they are Cylons, just like the Cylons THINK the final five are Cylons. But Tigh is not a Cylon. As far as the Final five go, maybe he is, maybe not. The Final Five are perhaps a third... NON CYLON... faction, closely related to the oracles, the prophecies, and what not. Possibly some disgruntled 13th tribe members that wanted to get revenge... who knows... but NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:04, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :*sigh* Twelve Cylon Models. 7 have been seen. Five not. The Final Five. THE FINAL FIVE UNREVEALED CYLONS!!! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:07, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: I'm with you, BB... Final five will be revealed Sunday. Can't wait to see who, though I already suspect at least four of 'em. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:18, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::: 4 of 5, and then it'll be the... hmm... damn... can't think of a word starting with O to go with One... --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:58, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Only? Obfuscated? Omega? As for the Tigh rumor, it's plausible that humanoid Cylons date back to the war (they could've discovered a 2000 year old data archive, developed the technology themselves with a Cylon-constructed supercomputer). The term &quot;Cylon&quot; hasn't really been defined, if &quot;Cylon&quot; just means &quot;artificial humanoid&quot; or &quot;self-aware artificial life form&quot; then the Final Five could predate the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] and still be Cylons. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:16, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Yeah! The Only One! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:38, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Aw, come on guys. Firstly, you're buying into the notion that the Cylons are nearly omniscent. Isn't it probable that the Cylons themselves have been mislead? In addition, this stuff about Cylon models being created thousands of years ago makes no sense. There are only 12 models they know of. The encephalitus disease that knocked out a whole basestar of Cylons should debunk that long shot. If we are going to split hairs on what a Cylon is... then we need to reconsider who created them in the first place. I believe the 13th tribe left a faction, most likely the priesthood, behind. That priesthood wanted to fulfill some destiny or resolve some unresolved issue in the distant future and they were the invisible hand behind the first cylon war and the cause behind the Cylon visions (projections), the cylon rebirthing, and other spriritual technologies the Cylons have. In addition I believe the final five are actually the original five prophets that the Cylons mistakenly believe are &quot;cylons&quot;. Even if I am wrong about that, to simply dismiss Tigh as a Cylon for the reasons above makes no sense. I bet during the fourth season the so called &quot;revelation&quot; that Tigh, Anders, and the others being cylons will turn out to be a Cylon (or Prophetic) hoax. And this... is where I think Six Degrees of Seperation will play a role. &quot;What happened to Shelly&quot;? She never really left, she has been manipulating things on the ship. It's a long shot, but I'm going to wait it out and see. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:34, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Here is my theory on the whole &quot;Tigh is a Cylon&quot; thing, Tigh (and the others) are NOT the Final Five Cylons (they will initally think that they are but are mistaken). They will discover that they are descendants of the Final Five models who intermarried with humans back on Kobol and that the &quot;Final Five&quot; were the first cylons who were created by &quot;the Jealous God&quot; (who is also the God worshiped by The Seven we have seen so far). Which will still leave room for Starbuck to be one of the Final Five. I have to admit that a lot of this is comming just from instinct and my imagination but it would make a lot more sense than Tigh being a Cylon since from what we have already heard that the Cylons are immortal (and is safe to assume that they DO NOT AGE, which Tigh would have done since the First Cylon War 40 years ago). [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 22:05, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :: EXACTLY! See? Someone else understands what I have been trying to say, although I don't think the writers will put the jealous god angle in that way (but maybe they will). But I agree almost entiely with what you are saying. I just think the final five are some leftovers of the 13th tribe... Wait. I just realized something. The 13th tribe left and there was some war between the &quot;gods&quot; right? What if, the 13th tribe didn't leave on good terms with the other 12? Now if we can fit the Shelly angle into this, I will feel much better. Six degrees still hangs like a disowned child. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:54, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Why is it safe to assume that the humanoid Cylons do not age? Their physiology is close enough to that of regular humans to allow crossbreeding. Old age wouldn't be a problem, as they could just get resurrected in younger, more recently glown replacement bodies when they die of old age. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:44, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Maybe a growing and aging body function interfers with the ressurrection ability. Exact copies, thus perfectly aligned brainwave patterns to reinsert into the new body. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:56, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Who says they have brainwaves? [[Silica pathways]], remember? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 00:32, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::So Tigh can't be a Cylon because Cylons don't age, Cylons don't age because ageing would interfere with the resurrection process, and we know that ageing would interfere with the resurrection process because there needs to be some reason for the Cylons not to age? This is a clear circular logic fallacy. There is '''no canonical evidence''' which rules the possibility of Cylons ageing. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:43, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Point taken, but it would seem strange that the Cylons would neglect ageing when they went about making themselves into an IMPROVED version of Human. It would be an inconveinence for a cylon to be dying of old age and ressurecting in what would be (from their point of view) a constant stream for all time. Why is the idea that they found a way around that so strange to you? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::All I'm saying is that there is currently no evidence for or against Cylon ageing, no evidence about whether or not Cylons have the technology for eternal youth and no conclusive proof that they would or would not use such technology if they had it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:05, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Agreed. To be honest, I feel the Cylons ''have'' to age, though it may be slower than your normal human. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:20, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Slowed ageing would explain why [[Hera Agathon]] doesn't seem to walk or talk even though she's about two years old now (although she could be walking and talking off-screen). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::::But to me it just doesn't seem to fit for something that is machine in origin to age, it throws the aesthetics off drastically. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 15:10, 25 March 2007 (CDT)</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Crossroads,_Part_II/Archive1&diff=114321 2007-03-25T05:57:39Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Predictions-part 2 */</p> <hr /> <div>== Promo Pics ==<br /> Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000aaqbh here]. Hard believe that's the last for Season 3. However, they may release a few more for this episode. At least there's the 2-hr movie between seasons. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:03, 27 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> That promo pic of Six, Baltar, and Hera appears to be shot in the &quot;Final Five&quot; room. Anyone else notice this? [[User:Paulmooreparks|Paulmooreparks]] 19:57, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> : Yes, indeed I did. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:02, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::Baltar's been having visions of Six and Hera in the opera house since season 1, so it's not necessarily connected to the Final Five. Since this episode will reveal 1 or 4 of the Final Five depending on which interview you go by, there's a pretty good chance that it relates to them as well. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:16, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::Am I completely off-base in thinking that that's Virtual Baltar alongside Virtual Six? Because the other photos of that episode show the &quot;real&quot; Baltar still quite disheveled with a thick beard while that Baltar is clean-shaven, not unlike Caprica's Baltar. Didn't Ron Moore say something about the two alter-egos being key figures in the last episodes of the season? --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:50, 3 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::Not really &quot;off base&quot;, in fact I think that's the most popular theory in general. So unless we're all off base.....which is admitedly possible :P --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:37, 3 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::::If they are able to interact with eachother it would have significant implications regarding their nature. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:50, 7 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::::The virtual Baltar normally wears the unique pinstripe suit from the Miniseries, which I don't see here. I do believe this is a visualization and that is Virtual Six, for the Opera House doesn't exist. If the two alter-egos do somehow directly interact, some Serious Shit will ensure, but damned if I can really glean what. This is as big of a season stumper as season 2's cliffhanger. And, no, Kara Thrace will NOT be one of the Five. But it may be, in my guess, one of these three, although they don't realize it: Dualla, Tigh, or Gaeta. I still hold exception to the fact that what Three saw may be the five priests of the Temple of Five, who just so happen to have incarnations in the current timeline. (Note the monkey that exited my anus and is waving at you). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Predictions==<br /> Well, it's early, and I don't care to step on Slander's toes, but I have forseen an event in Crossroads, Part II. The top 5 American Idol contestants cameo as... '''THE FINAL FIVE!''' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:06, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> *I'd like to make a motion that all Predictions in Talk pages be deleted as they are assinine and serve no other purpose than to promote the person making the prediction. Predictions should be in Forums and chatrooms or discussion groups, not here.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:29, 15 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> **Dude... they're friggin' jokes. No need to be so uptight. You're reminding me of Merv. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:07, 15 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> *** Motion denied. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 12:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> OK. The purpose of a talk page is for ''brief'' discussions and questions about the article. Generally, the humorous &quot;predictions&quot; in other talk pages have not detracted from the talk page's purpose or grown in size, and honestly have given me a chuckle, although my feelings on the matter aren't the sole vote about it. Provided that we don't get into numerous predictions from many users to the talk page in some way, I don't see a problem with it at this time. If there's still a problem about it, a silly page could have a bulleted series of such humor if approved by consensus (although I doubt this would work, [[BW:NOT|we're not a forum]]). Sometimes, predictions are fun ''and'' on-topic: See [[Talk:Exodus, Part II]] where I made a good guess. Now, what's considered &quot;funny&quot; is very subjective. I don't think BB's jest is nearly as humorous as, say, the shining white Final Five being revealed as the ''Jackson Five'' or something. Jokes are OK. If it's a bad one, ignore the poster. If a talk page gets too long, ask an admin to moderate if you can't get others to end a pointless or irrelevant topic. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Damn I should've thought of the Jackson Five... --20:10, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/Slanderpanic/1tito.jpg Tito rules!] On a more serious note, if people object to my predictions, I'll stop doing them. Honestly, this sort of in-joke is inevitable when an Internet community develops. In my opinion, it's healthy for us to not take things ''too'' seriously, or we turn into a bunch of elitists. (If anyone in the history of anything has ever needed a collective wedgie, it's Wikipedia's editing community.) Anyway, as there are currently two &quot;Predictions&quot; topics on this Talk page, I think I'll take the rest of the year off, until it comes time to speculate about the DVD-movie and season four. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 14:19, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==the commercial==<br /> <br /> hey the commercial has anders voice syaing &quot;yeah we're cylons&quot; WTF --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 21:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378<br /> :I don't know whose voice it is, but the line is definitely &quot;It's true, we're Cylons&quot;. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:12, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :At first, I thought it was Anders speaking, just because his face appeared at the same moment. {{spoilli|On subsequent viewing, I think it's...drum roll...Chief Tyrol!}} --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 12:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Read the thing linked below. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Predictions-part 2==<br /> <br /> <br /> I was surfing on the internet, trying to find some spoilers (lol) for the 3rd season finale, and came across this baby: http://www.thetvremote.com/battlestar-galactica-season-finale-spoilers/ (huge spoilers, so don t go there if u don t wanna read em). So, the text reveals who are the 4 of the final 5. As we already know, without the websites help, some of the final five are living and working in the colonial fleet. The 4 that are in question have a past, and we even saw a few times their memories, and we know that they lived in the colonies for quite some time. That being said, the website isn’t really convincing. But then, we know that the final five are special. We don t know what they are, we could suppose that they are more than the other cylon models, much more. We could even think that they are some sort of gods, now that too being said, I can t help but to think that those final 5, being special could have been planted in the colonies before the attacks of the miniseries. There is also a thing about Starbuck and a thing about finding earth on the website. I don t know what are their sources but the text seems very interesting and gives some very interesting ideas. {{unsigned|DedMed}}<br /> <br /> :Many of the spoilers fit with what occurred in &quot;Crossroads, Part II,&quot; but it brings up many new questions, too. If true, the information completely wrecks or substantially modifies what we thought Cylons were and when they came about. It should be an interesting episode, to say the least. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::HOLY FRAKKIN FRAK! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::The spoilers from part 1 were correct, adding some credibility. The really shocking part is that one of the alledged final five was around during the Cylon War (yes, you heard it right, the [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] is a Cylon, I'm surprised no one made the connection when we've known that she has at least a dozen copies since the miniseries :D). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:27, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I kind of wish I hadn't read them, but I couldn't help myself. Goddamit! --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 12:26, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Goddamnit is exactly the word. ''Goddamnit!'' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:03, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I took my comments about the spoliers out... but just so you know. if that link is true... and it's implied in the video teaser for this episode. I'm starting to see the show in shark infested waters. But I imagine everything is not what it seems. Especially with my homedog Col. Tigh. If he really is (spolier)... then I'm gonna start to lose interest in BSG for real. But honestly I think that is all a &quot;misunderstanding&quot; or perhaps some link to the final five... who I insist are NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 19:58, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'm sorry I can't resist posting again. Ok, the final Five, as I stated are not Cylons but are a third faction, some ancient group probably five prophets who orchestrated all of this. It's the only way I can deal with this: I will not be happy if certain persons are in actuality certain entities. Especially people who have been around too long, who lived before the first cylon attack. Sigh... I guess the Caprica TV show will possibly delve into it... but dammit, that show better be frakking good. This show is going too far into paranormal and starting to suffer from hollywood interference. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 20:23, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Dude... They're kinda definitionally cylons. They say there're 12 models. We've seen 7. There are 5 more. The Final Five. Done and done. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:28, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> No offense, but I do believe we have enough reason to totally disregard that conclusion. Firstly, and might I add, perfectly timed, the main page has a link to &quot;Who is a cylon&quot;, with a website, blog, and a nice canon explanation of who is and likely is not a Cylon. Saul Tigh... Whom I call &quot;The Tigh Dog&quot;... but who is known also as &quot;The Tigh Fighter&quot; (YES!) can't possibly BE a cylon. And why? Just as I stated, he's been known by Adama for too long (at least prior to the FIRST war). Second, this leads to my speculation from the talk on Crossroads Part 1... Even if these guys are the Final Five... they still aren't cylons. The Final Five are not Cylons. That's what I have been suspecting ever since the Oracle gave prophecy to Biers... ever since The Hybrid gave prophecy to Baltar. That's when I remembered Shelly from &quot;Six Degrees of Seperation&quot;. Tigh is so not a cylon. If Tigh is a cylon... I mean really a cylon... this show has jumped the shark. Yes I'm sure they THINK they are Cylons, just like the Cylons THINK the final five are Cylons. But Tigh is not a Cylon. As far as the Final five go, maybe he is, maybe not. The Final Five are perhaps a third... NON CYLON... faction, closely related to the oracles, the prophecies, and what not. Possibly some disgruntled 13th tribe members that wanted to get revenge... who knows... but NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:04, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :*sigh* Twelve Cylon Models. 7 have been seen. Five not. The Final Five. THE FINAL FIVE UNREVEALED CYLONS!!! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:07, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: I'm with you, BB... Final five will be revealed Sunday. Can't wait to see who, though I already suspect at least four of 'em. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:18, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::: 4 of 5, and then it'll be the... hmm... damn... can't think of a word starting with O to go with One... --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:58, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Only? Obfuscated? Omega? As for the Tigh rumor, it's plausible that humanoid Cylons date back to the war (they could've discovered a 2000 year old data archive, developed the technology themselves with a Cylon-constructed supercomputer). The term &quot;Cylon&quot; hasn't really been defined, if &quot;Cylon&quot; just means &quot;artificial humanoid&quot; or &quot;self-aware artificial life form&quot; then the Final Five could predate the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] and still be Cylons. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:16, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Yeah! The Only One! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:38, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Aw, come on guys. Firstly, you're buying into the notion that the Cylons are nearly omniscent. Isn't it probable that the Cylons themselves have been mislead? In addition, this stuff about Cylon models being created thousands of years ago makes no sense. There are only 12 models they know of. The encephalitus disease that knocked out a whole basestar of Cylons should debunk that long shot. If we are going to split hairs on what a Cylon is... then we need to reconsider who created them in the first place. I believe the 13th tribe left a faction, most likely the priesthood, behind. That priesthood wanted to fulfill some destiny or resolve some unresolved issue in the distant future and they were the invisible hand behind the first cylon war and the cause behind the Cylon visions (projections), the cylon rebirthing, and other spriritual technologies the Cylons have. In addition I believe the final five are actually the original five prophets that the Cylons mistakenly believe are &quot;cylons&quot;. Even if I am wrong about that, to simply dismiss Tigh as a Cylon for the reasons above makes no sense. I bet during the fourth season the so called &quot;revelation&quot; that Tigh, Anders, and the others being cylons will turn out to be a Cylon (or Prophetic) hoax. And this... is where I think Six Degrees of Seperation will play a role. &quot;What happened to Shelly&quot;? She never really left, she has been manipulating things on the ship. It's a long shot, but I'm going to wait it out and see. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:34, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Here is my theory on the whole &quot;Tigh is a Cylon&quot; thing, Tigh (and the others) are NOT the Final Five Cylons (they will initally think that they are but are mistaken). They will discover that they are descendants of the Final Five models who intermarried with humans back on Kobol and that the &quot;Final Five&quot; were the first cylons who were created by &quot;the Jealous God&quot; (who is also the God worshiped by The Seven we have seen so far). Which will still leave room for Starbuck to be one of the Final Five. I have to admit that a lot of this is comming just from instinct and my imagination but it would make a lot more sense than Tigh being a Cylon since from what we have already heard that the Cylons are immortal (and is safe to assume that they DO NOT AGE, which Tigh would have done since the First Cylon War 40 years ago). [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 22:05, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :: EXACTLY! See? Someone else understands what I have been trying to say, although I don't think the writers will put the jealous god angle in that way (but maybe they will). But I agree almost entiely with what you are saying. I just think the final five are some leftovers of the 13th tribe... Wait. I just realized something. The 13th tribe left and there was some war between the &quot;gods&quot; right? What if, the 13th tribe didn't leave on good terms with the other 12? Now if we can fit the Shelly angle into this, I will feel much better. Six degrees still hangs like a disowned child. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:54, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Why is it safe to assume that the humanoid Cylons do not age? Their physiology is close enough to that of regular humans to allow crossbreeding. Old age wouldn't be a problem, as they could just get resurrected in younger, more recently glown replacement bodies when they die of old age. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:44, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Maybe a growing and aging body function interfers with the ressurrection ability. Exact copies, thus perfectly aligned brainwave patterns to reinsert into the new body. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:56, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Who says they have brainwaves? [[Silica pathways]], remember? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 00:32, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::So Tigh can't be a Cylon because Cylons don't age, Cylons don't age because ageing would interfere with the resurrection process, and we know that ageing would interfere with the resurrection process because there needs to be some reason for the Cylons not to age? This is a clear circular logic fallacy. There is '''no canonical evidence''' which rules the possibility of Cylons ageing. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:43, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Point taken, but it would seem strange that the Cylons would neglect ageing when they went about making themselves into an IMPROVED version of Human. It would be an inconveinence for a cylon to be dying of old age and ressurecting in what would be (from their point of view) a constant stream for all time. Why is the idea that they found a way around that so strange to you? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT)</div>

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Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Final_Five/Archive_1&diff=114307 2007-03-25T03:30:30Z

<p>Mishakal: /* Warning - possibly big spoiler below */</p> <hr /> <div>I took the image into photoshop (I do minor image tweaking at my job), did everything I could to enhance it, just for fun. And I'd like to make a grandiose speculation that the Five look, well, slightly mutilated...or mutated. Botched Cylon experiments, torutred and insane minds!!! I don't know, That one &quot;fellow's&quot; hand reaching to Three looks awefully stumpy...of course it could always be some foreshortening.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 10:57, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> Yup, totally convinced they are mutilated and grotesque, their faces, albiet shrouded are just a little odd and produce strange shadow tones.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 11:17, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :It is also possible that the show is intentionally masquerading their faces to allow the show to cast anyone in these roles at a later time, rather than fixing the faces of the characters right away. In any case, any interpretations of these promo shots are too speculative to make a valid assessment. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:38, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> We should get rid of the main picture - we don't know for sure that they are in fact the Final Five, they may be simply a hallucation on the part of D'eanna when she resurrects/is boxed.<br /> Or perhaps the five temple priests who are not Cylons. Point is, we don't know --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 06:26, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> :Writer's often portray canon information through a character, in this case D'Anna. That is the same vision she always has when she dies, we've already seen a part of the scene on &quot;Hero&quot;, and it's what she's been seeing again and again. Her sketches and such are merely her representations of what she saw, this picture is what she actually saw. Anyways, even if you choose to not believe D'Anna, and even if you doubt the only logical explanation, I think David Eick confirmed that it's them she sees on a EW article. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:53, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == ID ==<br /> <br /> Looking at the high resolution picture, I can identify most of the actors in these robes. Whether they actually are the Final Five Cylons or whether this is just a dream sequence and they grabbed whoever was convenient is not clear. From the left to the right:<br /> <br /> # Aaron Douglas, better known as Chief Tyrol. The stature and facial features are a perfect match.<br /> # Tahmoh Penikett, better known as Helo. This isn't as certain, but the lower face and stature both match.<br /> # Unidentified female<br /> # Unidentified female<br /> # The big, bald Asian pilot who's always in the rec room.<br /> <br /> [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 21:32, 9 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> No two cylons can have a child which makes Tahmoh Penikett wrong. Don't know about the others, though the &quot;Chief&quot; guy is certainly too short --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 06:21, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Major kudos if you are correct, cause I cartainly can't see it myself :P -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:27, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> ::They're just stand-ins, they don't release promo pics at random, and they wouldn't reveal anyone in such a way when having a chance to do it on screen. But as said before, those faces are vague enough to be almost anyone. They might have similarities, but a lot of people in the world can have similar features without looking the same. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:32, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::The thing of it is, is; we're all going to see what we want in them untill we actually see them. I'm pretty sure I'm not right (above comment) and fairly sure when they did these Promo pics and ambiguous #3 &quot;in the hinterlands of Cylon death land&quot; dreams, that they wouldn't have cast definite actors...it's a pretty significant choice to make of who should play the roles...so, stick some people in robes and shrouds to stand in and any old person will do for the snippets, clips, dream scenes and teaser tastys. we won't know 'till we know--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:42, 12 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Personally I think the show would be smart to not put all of their eggs in one basket on this whole final five thing. At least one of the five should be someone we've never seen, one should be someone who is alive and in the fleet and at least one should be someone who was in the fleet that has been dead for a while. Making all of the five sleepers who are in the fleet or making them all dead characters or all new characters wouldn't be very cool. Making it a balance between the three would be nice. --[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 19 January 2007.<br /> <br /> I hate to repeat what's been stated, but I think Philwelch is looking way too hard because I see no one - and I mean ''no one'' familar in that image. Not even a vague similarity. I'm certain they're just stand-ins, but I find it odd that they'd release an image that shows so much, but also expect us not to see a match when the five are revealed. You'd figure they'd put more effort in hiding the faces, just to cover the bases. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 08:43, 22 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Reason for Locking ==<br /> <br /> I don't want the server to flood or 4k people trying to edit this page. Take your time and finsh everything else first. Unprotect this at Midnight. [[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 19:21, 21 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Interpretation question ==<br /> <br /> After thinking about this, there are only two individuals that believe that what D'anna/Three has seen is actually images of the final five Cylons: herself, and Baltar. The Colonials scripture know that the Temple of Five was human-built, long before the Cylons existed, and was related to five priests who may have worshiped someone different from the Lords of Kobol. There's plenty of inference (with Kara Thrace, Leoben, [[Dodona Selloi]], and the Threes) that there is a connection between the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon God. My problem is that, while the notion that the final five Cylons has been established, there isn't information ''between'' the characters that verifies that what Three has seen are actual Cylon or human figures.<br /> <br /> For that reason, I am going to rewrite this article with a level of neutrality that does not support only Three's belief since there is Colonial connections that exist. The final five represent five human priestly people (blessed, cursed or otherwise cited) or five Cylons (boxed, or related somehow to the origin of the new Cylon, which, after &quot;Rapture,&quot; is not clear-cut. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:31, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br /> :Well....RDM called them &quot;The Final Five&quot; in his podcast...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 10:03, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br /> ::The podcast doesn't elaborate on their nature, and Ron has twisted the truth before to keep the storyline a mystery until aired. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:06, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Three wasn't the Only One==<br /> I think we should also mention that Number Three wasn't the only Cylon to believe they were the Final Five. The Cavils believed it well enough to try to shoot her and even box her. So I think we should at least mention that they too believed Three was seeing the Final Five, enough to essentially eliminate 1/3 of their known female population. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:00, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> The light that shines down as the Nova goes is real, and D'anna starts bleeding and dies for no other apparent reason. If it's an illusion in her mind, these things don't match.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 21:22, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br /> :It didn't seem like an illusion, but rather a simple isolate hologram, which wouldn't be surprising since that's the kind of tech these things ususally have in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:35, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::The podcast supports the assumption that Three saw the actual Final Five, although I don't think it's explicitly stated. As for the device in the temple, there's quite a few possible explanations and I doubt we'll ever get a definitive answer about which one is correct. The device could've triggered both Three's death and the visions directly, the device could've triggered Three's death, resulting in a vision just like her previous deaths did or the device could've triggered the visions, resulting in Three's death due to some hypothetical built-in failsafe in Three. Each of those three possibilities also has a number of explanations (for example, if the device caused the visions, it may have been a technological substitute for [[chamalla]], it may have been designed to unlock repressed memories or in may have been programmed with the images of the Final Five at any time in the past 4000 years). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:17, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> ::: It seems that [[projection]] would be a likely technology behind a vision seen only by here. Why a 4,000 year old temple would be able to do that is nor more a mystery than why it would be able to insert a vision any other way. Further reflection shows this image to possibly be different from the image in the Temple of Athena, which was more holodeck like, and seen by all.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:47, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Warning - possibly big spoiler below==<br /> I was watching Final Five photo, when I noticed face similarity to one of main characters face. I made some photo mainpulating, and results is below.<br /> <br /> [http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9007/finalfivespoilerzq0.png] &lt;-- POSSIBLE HEAVY SPOILER<br /> <br /> It gives me around 60-70% sure, that this char is one of Final Five. Yet there are two other things - first - it's possible, that director didn't thought of that, and put this actor there to &quot;fill the gap&quot;.<br /> <br /> Second - as I've searched through characteristic of this one, I haven't even found slight connections to Cylon, and it would mess with storyline pretty badly.<br /> <br /> What do you think about that? --[[User:XLII|XLII]] 16:41, 28 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Again, don't take that picture too literally. It did not actually appear in the episode after all, and they chose not to show the faces in detail at the end. We don't know if it was actually shot that way at all and just cut, or if they are just stand-ins for a test shot or something. In any case, since we don't see the five in the episode, we can't draw any conclusions --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:58, 28 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Also remember how much Leoben likes mixing truth and lies... &quot;Adama is a Cylon.&quot; [[User:Wynler|Wynler]] 11:12, 29 January 2007 (CST)<br /> ::XLII your idea was a good one, but there's a flaw in your comparison. As you darken the image of the actor, that face overtakes the face of the Final Five. The jawlines match up, which makes it look like it's the same person, but watch the chin and the upper lip (and the 5 o'clock shadow) in pics 1&amp;2 and 4&amp;5. They're different. --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 19:44, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br /> :::Even if you forget for a moment that the people in the promo picture are just stand-ins Lee Adama is most defintly '''not''' a Cylon anyway we already worked that out. Because he is the son of someone else who is most definitly not a cylon and the Cylons are not copies of already existing people. See [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] and [[Characters eliminated from suspicion]] --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])&lt;/sup&gt;<br /> ::::Not to mention that Lee has his fat makeup on there. Even if the images matched up, it wouldn't be a true likeness of Lee/Jamie Bamber.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:31, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> What if the final five aren't cylons at all, but in fact are part of the priesthood. The whole question &quot;what defines a Cylon&quot; opened by the writers had me thinking... the final five aren't &quot;final&quot; they are the &quot;first&quot; five. They are neither Cylon, nor human and possibly are some related faction to the 13th tribe whom were left behind to fulfull and manipulate things behind the scenes. I do not like the idea of certain main characters being cylons and I believe that this will be the only way to mitigate that unplesant &quot;revelation&quot;. I've been pushing hard on the crossroads' talk pages that the final five aren't necessarily cylons and that Tigh certainly is not. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 22:23, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I agree with the idea that they are NOT Cylons but for different reasons. The first problem is the aging/immortality issue since it has been established that the current batch of cylons will live forever (as long as they are not boxed and are in range of a Ressurection Ship or the Cylon Homeworld). My thought is that the main characters who think they are cylons are NOT but rather descendants of the one or more copies of one or more of the models of the Final Five (thus fufulling RDM's promise of &quot;bluring the line between Human and Cylon&quot;). But we will soon see... [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 22:30, 24 March 2007 (CDT)</div>

Mishakal https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Crossroads,_Part_II/Archive1&diff=114302 2007-03-25T03:05:30Z

<p>Mishakal: </p> <hr /> <div>== Promo Pics ==<br /> Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000aaqbh here]. Hard believe that's the last for Season 3. However, they may release a few more for this episode. At least there's the 2-hr movie between seasons. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:03, 27 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> That promo pic of Six, Baltar, and Hera appears to be shot in the &quot;Final Five&quot; room. Anyone else notice this? [[User:Paulmooreparks|Paulmooreparks]] 19:57, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> : Yes, indeed I did. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:02, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::Baltar's been having visions of Six and Hera in the opera house since season 1, so it's not necessarily connected to the Final Five. Since this episode will reveal 1 or 4 of the Final Five depending on which interview you go by, there's a pretty good chance that it relates to them as well. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:16, 28 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::Am I completely off-base in thinking that that's Virtual Baltar alongside Virtual Six? Because the other photos of that episode show the &quot;real&quot; Baltar still quite disheveled with a thick beard while that Baltar is clean-shaven, not unlike Caprica's Baltar. Didn't Ron Moore say something about the two alter-egos being key figures in the last episodes of the season? --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:50, 3 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::Not really &quot;off base&quot;, in fact I think that's the most popular theory in general. So unless we're all off base.....which is admitedly possible :P --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:37, 3 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::::If they are able to interact with eachother it would have significant implications regarding their nature. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:50, 7 March 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::::The virtual Baltar normally wears the unique pinstripe suit from the Miniseries, which I don't see here. I do believe this is a visualization and that is Virtual Six, for the Opera House doesn't exist. If the two alter-egos do somehow directly interact, some Serious Shit will ensure, but damned if I can really glean what. This is as big of a season stumper as season 2's cliffhanger. And, no, Kara Thrace will NOT be one of the Five. But it may be, in my guess, one of these three, although they don't realize it: Dualla, Tigh, or Gaeta. I still hold exception to the fact that what Three saw may be the five priests of the Temple of Five, who just so happen to have incarnations in the current timeline. (Note the monkey that exited my anus and is waving at you). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Predictions==<br /> Well, it's early, and I don't care to step on Slander's toes, but I have forseen an event in Crossroads, Part II. The top 5 American Idol contestants cameo as... '''THE FINAL FIVE!''' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:06, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> *I'd like to make a motion that all Predictions in Talk pages be deleted as they are assinine and serve no other purpose than to promote the person making the prediction. Predictions should be in Forums and chatrooms or discussion groups, not here.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:29, 15 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> **Dude... they're friggin' jokes. No need to be so uptight. You're reminding me of Merv. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:07, 15 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> *** Motion denied. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 12:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> OK. The purpose of a talk page is for ''brief'' discussions and questions about the article. Generally, the humorous &quot;predictions&quot; in other talk pages have not detracted from the talk page's purpose or grown in size, and honestly have given me a chuckle, although my feelings on the matter aren't the sole vote about it. Provided that we don't get into numerous predictions from many users to the talk page in some way, I don't see a problem with it at this time. If there's still a problem about it, a silly page could have a bulleted series of such humor if approved by consensus (although I doubt this would work, [[BW:NOT|we're not a forum]]). Sometimes, predictions are fun ''and'' on-topic: See [[Talk:Exodus, Part II]] where I made a good guess. Now, what's considered &quot;funny&quot; is very subjective. I don't think BB's jest is nearly as humorous as, say, the shining white Final Five being revealed as the ''Jackson Five'' or something. Jokes are OK. If it's a bad one, ignore the poster. If a talk page gets too long, ask an admin to moderate if you can't get others to end a pointless or irrelevant topic. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Damn I should've thought of the Jackson Five... --20:10, 19 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/Slanderpanic/1tito.jpg Tito rules!] On a more serious note, if people object to my predictions, I'll stop doing them. Honestly, this sort of in-joke is inevitable when an Internet community develops. In my opinion, it's healthy for us to not take things ''too'' seriously, or we turn into a bunch of elitists. (If anyone in the history of anything has ever needed a collective wedgie, it's Wikipedia's editing community.) Anyway, as there are currently two &quot;Predictions&quot; topics on this Talk page, I think I'll take the rest of the year off, until it comes time to speculate about the DVD-movie and season four. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 14:19, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==the commercial==<br /> <br /> hey the commercial has anders voice syaing &quot;yeah we're cylons&quot; WTF --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 21:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378<br /> :I don't know whose voice it is, but the line is definitely &quot;It's true, we're Cylons&quot;. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:12, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :At first, I thought it was Anders speaking, just because his face appeared at the same moment. {{spoilli|On subsequent viewing, I think it's...drum roll...Chief Tyrol!}} --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 12:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Read the thing linked below. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Predictions-part 2==<br /> <br /> <br /> I was surfing on the internet, trying to find some spoilers (lol) for the 3rd season finale, and came across this baby: http://www.thetvremote.com/battlestar-galactica-season-finale-spoilers/ (huge spoilers, so don t go there if u don t wanna read em). So, the text reveals who are the 4 of the final 5. As we already know, without the websites help, some of the final five are living and working in the colonial fleet. The 4 that are in question have a past, and we even saw a few times their memories, and we know that they lived in the colonies for quite some time. That being said, the website isn’t really convincing. But then, we know that the final five are special. We don t know what they are, we could suppose that they are more than the other cylon models, much more. We could even think that they are some sort of gods, now that too being said, I can t help but to think that those final 5, being special could have been planted in the colonies before the attacks of the miniseries. There is also a thing about Starbuck and a thing about finding earth on the website. I don t know what are their sources but the text seems very interesting and gives some very interesting ideas. {{unsigned|DedMed}}<br /> <br /> :Many of the spoilers fit with what occurred in &quot;Crossroads, Part II,&quot; but it brings up many new questions, too. If true, the information completely wrecks or substantially modifies what we thought Cylons were and when they came about. It should be an interesting episode, to say the least. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::HOLY FRAKKIN FRAK! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::The spoilers from part 1 were correct, adding some credibility. The really shocking part is that one of the alledged final five was around during the Cylon War (yes, you heard it right, the [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] is a Cylon, I'm surprised no one made the connection when we've known that she has at least a dozen copies since the miniseries :D). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:27, 20 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I kind of wish I hadn't read them, but I couldn't help myself. Goddamit! --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 12:26, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Goddamnit is exactly the word. ''Goddamnit!'' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:03, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I took my comments about the spoliers out... but just so you know. if that link is true... and it's implied in the video teaser for this episode. I'm starting to see the show in shark infested waters. But I imagine everything is not what it seems. Especially with my homedog Col. Tigh. If he really is (spolier)... then I'm gonna start to lose interest in BSG for real. But honestly I think that is all a &quot;misunderstanding&quot; or perhaps some link to the final five... who I insist are NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 19:58, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'm sorry I can't resist posting again. Ok, the final Five, as I stated are not Cylons but are a third faction, some ancient group probably five prophets who orchestrated all of this. It's the only way I can deal with this: I will not be happy if certain persons are in actuality certain entities. Especially people who have been around too long, who lived before the first cylon attack. Sigh... I guess the Caprica TV show will possibly delve into it... but dammit, that show better be frakking good. This show is going too far into paranormal and starting to suffer from hollywood interference. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 20:23, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Dude... They're kinda definitionally cylons. They say there're 12 models. We've seen 7. There are 5 more. The Final Five. Done and done. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:28, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> No offense, but I do believe we have enough reason to totally disregard that conclusion. Firstly, and might I add, perfectly timed, the main page has a link to &quot;Who is a cylon&quot;, with a website, blog, and a nice canon explanation of who is and likely is not a Cylon. Saul Tigh... Whom I call &quot;The Tigh Dog&quot;... but who is known also as &quot;The Tigh Fighter&quot; (YES!) can't possibly BE a cylon. And why? Just as I stated, he's been known by Adama for too long (at least prior to the FIRST war). Second, this leads to my speculation from the talk on Crossroads Part 1... Even if these guys are the Final Five... they still aren't cylons. The Final Five are not Cylons. That's what I have been suspecting ever since the Oracle gave prophecy to Biers... ever since The Hybrid gave prophecy to Baltar. That's when I remembered Shelly from &quot;Six Degrees of Seperation&quot;. Tigh is so not a cylon. If Tigh is a cylon... I mean really a cylon... this show has jumped the shark. Yes I'm sure they THINK they are Cylons, just like the Cylons THINK the final five are Cylons. But Tigh is not a Cylon. As far as the Final five go, maybe he is, maybe not. The Final Five are perhaps a third... NON CYLON... faction, closely related to the oracles, the prophecies, and what not. Possibly some disgruntled 13th tribe members that wanted to get revenge... who knows... but NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:04, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :*sigh* Twelve Cylon Models. 7 have been seen. Five not. The Final Five. THE FINAL FIVE UNREVEALED CYLONS!!! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:07, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: I'm with you, BB... Final five will be revealed Sunday. Can't wait to see who, though I already suspect at least four of 'em. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:18, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::: 4 of 5, and then it'll be the... hmm... damn... can't think of a word starting with O to go with One... --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:58, 23 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Only? Obfuscated? Omega? As for the Tigh rumor, it's plausible that humanoid Cylons date back to the war (they could've discovered a 2000 year old data archive, developed the technology themselves with a Cylon-constructed supercomputer). The term &quot;Cylon&quot; hasn't really been defined, if &quot;Cylon&quot; just means &quot;artificial humanoid&quot; or &quot;self-aware artificial life form&quot; then the Final Five could predate the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] and still be Cylons. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:16, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Yeah! The Only One! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:38, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Aw, come on guys. Firstly, you're buying into the notion that the Cylons are nearly omniscent. Isn't it probable that the Cylons themselves have been mislead? In addition, this stuff about Cylon models being created thousands of years ago makes no sense. There are only 12 models they know of. The encephalitus disease that knocked out a whole basestar of Cylons should debunk that long shot. If we are going to split hairs on what a Cylon is... then we need to reconsider who created them in the first place. I believe the 13th tribe left a faction, most likely the priesthood, behind. That priesthood wanted to fulfill some destiny or resolve some unresolved issue in the distant future and they were the invisible hand behind the first cylon war and the cause behind the Cylon visions (projections), the cylon rebirthing, and other spriritual technologies the Cylons have. In addition I believe the final five are actually the original five prophets that the Cylons mistakenly believe are &quot;cylons&quot;. Even if I am wrong about that, to simply dismiss Tigh as a Cylon for the reasons above makes no sense. I bet during the fourth season the so called &quot;revelation&quot; that Tigh, Anders, and the others being cylons will turn out to be a Cylon (or Prophetic) hoax. And this... is where I think Six Degrees of Seperation will play a role. &quot;What happened to Shelly&quot;? She never really left, she has been manipulating things on the ship. It's a long shot, but I'm going to wait it out and see. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:34, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Here is my theory on the whole &quot;Tigh is a Cylon&quot; thing, Tigh (and the others) are NOT the Final Five Cylons (they will initally think that they are but are mistaken). They will discover that they are descendants of the Final Five models who intermarried with humans back on Kobol and that the &quot;Final Five&quot; were the first cylons who were created by &quot;the Jealous God&quot; (who is also the God worshiped by The Seven we have seen so far). Which will still leave room for Starbuck to be one of the Final Five. I have to admit that a lot of this is comming just from instinct and my imagination but it would make a lot more sense than Tigh being a Cylon since from what we have already heard that the Cylons are immortal (and is safe to assume that they DO NOT AGE, which Tigh would have done since the First Cylon War 40 years ago). [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 22:05, 24 March 2007 (CDT)</div>

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