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== Revision issue ==

Just curious, but what's going on with the page? I thought it had more information than this... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:59, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

: As it turns out, [http://battlestarwiki.joebeaudoin.net/index.php?title=Adama%2C_William&oldid=3457 it did]? Is this currently being revised? If so, that's great. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:01, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

== Divorced? ==

Is there a source for his being divorced from Anne and a reason she is not mentioned in his "Marital Status" entry? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:17, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:I don't believe Adama was divorced from Anne at all, but in any case no episode data confirms that status. Note he wears a wedding ring in the miniseries. Also note his sadness on announcing Caprica City's nuking, suggesting other loved ones (maybe Anne) was a victim, too. The only information we can confirm thus far is that Adama married twice. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:29, 17 January 2006 (EST)

== OK, NOT the Adama I Expected to Get Kissed ==

Wow. [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] took me a bit by surprise at the end there. Not Cain getting shot, but Adama's little kiss with Roslin. That was an interesting turn. Not sure what to make of it, other than I was getting all girly-swishy watching it all like a soap opera. That should make the next episode more harder to watch with Roslin...well, don't want to spoil it. And damn, I'm glad the wiki's back up. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:32, 13 January 2006 (EST)

: I was ''incredibly'' impressed with Olmos' acting just after the kiss. After she turned away and his face fell... I could very easily sense the utter ''depth'' of sorrow the <s>Commander</s> Admiral was feeling. I've seen that face a few times in real life regarding real life sickness and loss and, well, as I said, I was impressed. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:35, 14 January 2006 (EST)

::Another good bit of Olmos' acting was in the last episode. I didn't notice it until after I listened to the podcast, but Olmos wipes away a tear as he turns around to hear Roslin say one more thing as he leaves Colonial One in the scene before the battle plan scene. He's a damn fine actor--they all are. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:36, 14 January 2006 (EST)

::I thought that RDM said something in the podcast about Olmos spontaneously adding the kiss, which is why Roslin's reaction is so good. --[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 14:55, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::That's correct. I learned this later myself when someone else noted this from the podcast as well as well as from the podcast when I listened in, too. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

== "Roll the hard six" ==

Does anyone know what "rolling the hard six" actually refers to? I know it has to do with the game of craps, but I don't know specifically what it means. It would help if i did, because I've started using it completley inadvertently in everyday speech, along with [[frak]]. My friends look at me like I'm insane, its pretty bad. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 00:52, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:Dude...Six is the highest number on dice. "Rolling the hard six" means getting a high number, when your really need it in a difficult situation...as this is a statistically rare occurance, it is "hard" to do. This doesn't refer to anything specific at all; this is intuitive.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:01, 29 January 2006 (EST)

::First, I don't think you're right. I believe the reference is more specific than that.
::Secondly, It would have been a simple matter to phrase your response without a condescending tone. Instead of what you actually said, you could've said "I think 'rolling the hard six' simply refers to actually rolling a six on a die. Since six is the highest number on dice, it means getting a high number when you really need it, and since rolling a 6 is statistically rare, it is "hard" to do."
::Why is it necessary to be rude to other members of the wiki? It only encourages them to be rude back to you, and I know you've had problems with users flaming you in the past - well, this is why they did it. A less civilized person might decide to insult you every chance they get, after the several comments you've made at me.
::When you insult me or other frequent posters, it is merely an annoyance. However, when you insult those who are relatively new to the wiki, you are actually scaring them. I know if I got a comment like that on my first post, I might decide never to post again. This damages the wiki, as there may be quality posters waiting in the wings who you could be scaring off. Please, choose your words carefully and refrain from being rude - to everyone, from newbs to admins and everyone in between. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 11:13, 29 January 2006 (EST)
:::This is not rude, it is blunt honesty, and should be taken as such.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 11:27, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:::: There're plenty of ways to be honest and even blunt, but not rude. In fact, I don't think you were very blunt at all. Blunt would have been more like: "Six is the highest number on dice. That is "hard" to roll." And BMS's sample would have been ''just'' as honest (read: truthful) as your post. Additionally, just because you intended something to be blunt and honest, but not rude, doesn't mean others must take it that way; the onus is on ''you'' to make sure your intent is clear in the words and phrases you choose. --[[User:Day|Day]] 13:05, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:In [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps standard craps]], "hard six" specifically refers to the combination 3-3 on two dice. You can roll a six 5 different ways (1-5,2-4,3-3,4-2,5-1) only 1 of which is "hard". When a player needs a six, any of the combinations will do. The odds against making a ''hard'' six are 10-1, since only 1 outcome is favorable and 10 are unfavorable (namely, the other 4 ways to make a six, and all 6 ways to make a seven). So the symmetry and low frequency of 3-3 lead to its special designation. The same is true of hard 4, 8 and 10. There is no "hard 2" or "hard 12" for a variety of reasons including the obvious one (there's only one way to roll them anyhow). --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 12:40, 29 January 2006 (EST)
::Actually, the odds of rolling a hard six are ''36 to 1'' rather than 10 to 1. There are 36 (6x6) possible combinations with two dice, only one of which (3-3) is the one you need. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:48, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
:: Thanks, John. This has been bugging me for a long time, too. Now we all know. --[[User:Day|Day]] 13:05, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:::Yes, yes, thank you. I am quite sorry. Please, let's put this unpleasantness behind us.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13:14, 29 January 2006 (EST)
::::That's what I thought it was. I've noticed that I've also been saying this in normal conversation. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:32, 29 January 2006 (EST)
:::::Thanks a ton John. That helps a lot, now I can actually explain it when someone asks. Talos: its pretty bad, isn't it? Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop doing it, though! --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 13:42, 29 January 2006 (EST)

::::::Hey, don't feel bad, I insert it into conversation ''on purpose''--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 14:16, 29 January 2006 (EST)

==Husker==
Say, is there a way to get the Character template to stop saying William "Husker" Adama? He has not been addressed as Husker, so it might be more of a confusion than anything to have it say that. As a Commander and now an Admiral, he has not been known as a Viper pilot for quite a while. Long before we became "acquainted" with him. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 23:47, 24 February 2006 (EST)
:Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either (or anything on that template, for that matter) - but if we get rid of his callsign, should we also get rid of Lee's? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:59, 24 February 2006 (EST)

== Sources? ==

There are lots of things in this article that weren't stated in any of the shows. Shouldn't these things have notes as to their sources?

"At the outbreak of the first Cylon War, Adama was serving in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot. He allegedly gained the call sign of "Husker" on account of his baritone "gravelled" voice. He proved to be a gifted pilot, shooting down his first Cylon on his very first mission. He racked-up his 1,000th deck landing while serving aboard the Battlestar Atlantia (Act of Contrition), when he held the rank of Lieutenant. "

Where is all that from? I can only imagine the Video Game, which is not a legitimate source (according to the Citation Jihad Project)

"before the pressures of Adama's career and the time he spent away from home of active service began to place a strain on their marriage."

Has it ever been stated why they divorced?

"but within a few years he had been discharged as the result of a reduction-in-force."

We don't know why he was discharged.

Just a few examples.

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:We certainly know he was a gifted viper pilot, though the "in the First Cylon War" part might be based on deleted scenes. (The flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc., certainly say it.) We know he had the callsign "Husker" as well, though, again, maybe just from deleted scenes (the flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc., probably); I don't recall knowing why he got it. I don't recall the kill on first mission, either. The 1,000th deck landing thing is apparently referenced in [[Act of Contrition]], which fits with the celebration that was interrupted by the errant probe, but I admit not recalling the line; checking the transcripts would verify.
:I don't recall knowing the reason Adama is estranged from his wife, but I do recall that we do not know if they are divorced at all (see above section).
:I believe the reduction in force reason was at least heavily implied in deleted scenes (the flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc.).
:So, the stuff I'd be worried about is the reason for the callsign, the kill on the first mission, and the reason for his estrangement from his wife. All seem reasonable (and the last almost certain), but that's not good enough; someone else can probably source them, though. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:02, 9 March 2006 (CST)

We know his callsign because it was printed by the cockpit of his Mark 2 viper in the miniseries.

We don't know wny adama is estranged from his wife, but we know he was divorced because in the miniseries, apollo says that she is getting remarried.

We don't know why Tigh and Adama ended up on a freighter. Maybe they quit after the war? Maybe they were tossed out as reduction in force. It's never said.

: Both Adama and Tigh were honorably discharged after the war. The only reason why Adama got in was because his "new wife" had pull in the Colonial Military. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:26, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:You're right about the callsign, though I'd note I did say that we knew it.
:Popping in that DVD, indeed such a marriage is mentioned. (Though it did bring to mind my inability to recall mention that they were ever married.)
:While I was popping in DVD's, I confirmed the [[Atlantia]] location for Adama's 1000th landing. (Kara tells a story about it in [[Act of Contrition]].) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 18:55, 12 March 2006 (CST)

Regarding the discharge of Adama and Tigh, I think that they were most likely honorably discharged, since the fleet eventually re-hired them. The issue here though is WHY were they honorably discharged? Did they themselves resign, or did the Fleet downsize them out of the service?

After World War II, the government didn't really have much problems with military size, as a great number of people merely did not reenlist.. and who could blame them? Did Adama and Tigh do the same thing? were they so sick of war that they got themselves out of the service, only to find civilian life unsatisfying?

We just don't know, and stating otherwise as fact probably isn't the best thing to do.

== Cleanup Required ==

This article is one of our longest. I wouldn't necessarily want to lose the central bio, but we should move the first season info into a subarticle, or severely condense it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:51, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

This article now possesses the first truncated character bio for a major character. Discussions of the article appear in [[User talk:Spencerian/Shortbio]] and the original mock page is at [[User:Spencerian/Shortbio]]. In short, the goal of this adjustment to highlight the important notes of the character with a minimum of narrative or rehashing of episode data already present in other articles. In short, the bio page reflects more on who the character is, and less on what he's done that's not something of remarkable note and which hasn't been noted ''ad nauseum'' to another article. Truncated character bios also reduce the article size to prevent issues with older browsers and readers, and make it easier for all to edit and update since historical information can simply be added in a few bullets. We haven't set this format officially, so now is the time to comment and critique this live version. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:54, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

: I like. I went in and fixed some typos. I wonder if "background" might not be made to be even shorter. As it stands, it's nearly as long as the in-series stuff we've seen. Maybe that's just an artifact of his having a lot of background provided to us in the show (as opposed to the reletively equal amount of BG exposition each character received in the Mini). Anyway, I think this is a lot more wieldy. I would not be opposed to other lengthy character pages moving to a similar format. Maybe we should make some S&C regarding it, though, first. Not sure. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 14:05, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

::Right. The bullets allow better condensing, so if there's more there that's really an episode comment rather than a distinguishing character comment, then it should be removed. The essense of ''what he is'' is different than how we need to talk about ''what he does''. I have [[Gaius Baltar]] next on my target for such a truncation once we approve the format, then Roslin. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:17, 14 July 2006 (CDT)

I am opposed to this use of bulleted list on a character page. I understand that it is to long, but it's not good this way. I'll work on it later. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:20, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

: I am, personally, fine with bullets, but don't feel married to them. A narrative format giving this same level of information is, to me, equally desirable. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS]) 15:04, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Mum and Pop Adjustment ==

Since the authenticity of the character's parents was correctly called into question by Merv per Citation Jihad guidelines, Sky One information on the character's parents, specifically Evilyn Adama, has been removed as its official source cannot be verified. The brief character page for Ms. Adama has also been removed. We may likely know more once [[Caprica (series)|Caprica]] airs. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 28 July 2006 (CDT)

== His service file in "Hero" ==

Here is the service file from "Hero":

- Born H5/21290 and raised in the colony of Caprica, in [Qualia], a small coastal community. 
- Mother Evelyn Adama, an accountant. 
- Father Joseph Adama, a prominent attorney who specialized in criminal defense and civil liberties. 

MILITARY SERVICE 
D6/21311 First commission: Battlestar Galactica fighter squadron 
E4/21312 Commendation for shooting down Cylon fighter in first combat mission 
D3/21314 Mustered out of service post armistice 
H5/21317 Served as Deck Hand in merchant fleet and as crewman aboard inter-colony tramp freighters 
D1/21331 Recommissioned to Fleet 
D2/21337 Major: Battlestar Atlantia 
R3/21341 Executive Officer: Battlestar Columbia 
C2/21345 Commander: Battlestar Valkyrie 
C2/21348 Commander: Battlestar Galactica 

What doesn't make sense is that he was XO on ''Valkyrie'' only 3 years ago. I got the distinct impression that he was on ''Galactica'' for a longer time. For example Gaeta, Starbuck and possibly Tyrol make statements that they served with him for 2-3 years on seperate occassions.
Given his stated service time of 45 years, it would put the current year at 21356. That would also put the Valkyrie mission 8 years back. So assuming that it was 8 instead of 3 years, everything would fit again --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== Is Adama a Cylon? ==

This might sound far-reaching, but I don't think it is. [[Leoben]] hinted at the possibility, and we see him in another episode (sorry, don't remember which one) crushing pecan shells (or walnuts?) with his bare hands. Who do we know has superhuman strength? The human-Cylons as evidenced by when Leoben rips apart a pipe at the Ragnar station, and when Kara is fist-fighting 6 on Caprica, along with some other shows of strengths by human cylons that I'm neglecting to mention.

He might be one of the Final Five. Perhaps the Final Five were a rebellious group trying to help the humans, and that's why the other seven don't talk about them.
-- [[User:Rhorn|supercheetah]] 05:41, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:Adama has a son and served in the original Cylon War. He cannot be a Cylon. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:32, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::Perhaps he was one of the first human-Cylons. Serving in the first Cylon War may have been a rebellion on his part. --[[User:Rhorn|supercheetah]] 20:44, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Not possible. The [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylons]] were purely mechanical (identical in appearance to their [[Centurion (TOS)|Original Series versions]]), not humanoid as many are now. The humanoids weren't built until sometime between the end of the Cylon War and probably a short time before the second. William Adama has a child but also was the son of another [[Joseph Adama|mentioned-only character]], of which a new character, [[Romo Lampkin]], has studied under, which verifies Adama's humanity. Cylons are effectively infertile (with [[Sharon Agathon|one]] exception). Check out the articles "[[Humanoid Cylon speculation]]" for notable characters that are eligible for suspicion, and [[Characters eliminated from suspicion|a list of characters with virtually no possibility]] of being a Cylon for some additional insight. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:08, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

== Who here thinks Adama is a bad Commander==

In the origional series he was really a good commander, but here, all he did was get assigned to a bad ship and not get promoted to Admiral. I've looked at the episode in a whole and see how bad Adama is in the CIC. When they get attacked in the miniseries all he does is exchange pleasentries with his XO whole a nuke is imbound that is going to kill 85 of his men. I don't want to sound rude, but shouldn't the great hero be a little smarter than he is. His own son was a better commander than he was as he at least cripled a Baseship by maneuvering the Pegasus instead of just sitting there letting his Vipers do all the work while he is outmaneuvered, outgunned, and outmatched every time. --[[User:Sith Penguin Lord|Sith Penguin Lord]] 15:34, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
:Remember that Adama planned the Battle of New Caprica. Granted, Pegasus had to intervene, but the plan was a daring one. Also remember that, like Apollo said, "command is about people". Adama's crew trusts him, and he knows how to communicate with his crew and defuse issues. For an example of the latter, I refer to the scene in "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" in which Tigh and Gaeta are arguing, and Adama approaches Gaeta in a friendly way and gets him to work. Also, when a nuke is gonna hit you in 10 seconds, it's too late to do anything but pray the Vipers will take it down. Weapon batteries are powered off (they're no use against just two Raiders), and maneuvering a mile-long ship in such a short time is also not doable. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:43, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

::The RDM Adama is more straightlaced but experienced military man, with his flaws that come with that. Bill Adama is also a ''cool cucumber'' in the heat of battle, with no dramatics like Captain Kirk would have. Character history shows that he does that purposely to show other crew an example of calm and discipline. [[Felix Gaeta]] emulates Adama often in season 1 with that same demeanor. The TOS Adama was more of a blend between the military Adama and [[Laura Roslin]]'s spiritual and civilian outlook. Adama and Saul Tigh have a rapport with each other that has kept them calm through experience: They both served in the Cylon War, which was horrific in the worst way. Perhaps they don't overreact because (1) they knew that a battlestar could take a nuke hit (it is designed to) and (2) they've seen worse.

::Don't discount Adama's strategy at the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. It ''worked'' and very well. But every strategy has its weaknesses, and Adama knew that if more than two baseships engaged ''Galactica'', they were in trouble. His son (who's learned to be a good battlestar commmander himself) showed equal thoughtfulness in (1) coming to the battle (2) leaving his Vipers behind as protection for the last of humanity just in case, and (3) realizing that sacrificing one battlestar against 4 baseships was worth it to keeping one battlestar alive. -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 20 April 2007 (CDT) ([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])

:I kinda like that he isn't really a man of action. Outwards, he is calm, reserved and contemplative. However he was very strong feelings and everyone now and then they shine through. Sometimes that's in private like him crushing the nuts in "Home" or slamming his desk in "Exodus, Part I". Sometimes, it's public ally, and that's when really bad things happen, like his decision to overthrow Roslin in "Kobol's Last Gleaming".
:He isn't prone to theatrics and doesn't forcefully show off his authority with barking dramatic orders all the time. That's somewhat unusual for SciFi leads. Jeffrey Sinclair from B5 comes to mind as well, but that character isn't offset with something else. But all in all, I wouldn't say that he's a bad commander. He makes some bad calls now and then when his feelings get the better of him, but also some good decisions.
:Lee is really more of an action figure, and maybe the writers want to contrast that. But good results now and then don't necessarily make a better leader. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:03, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
:Not that it matters very much, but I realized it just now: ''Pegasus'' is a much bigger, much more powerful and possibly more maneuverable ship than ''Galactica'', therefore taking out a basestar with ''Pegasus'' is not as much of an accomplishment as taking out a basestar with ''Galactica''. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 17:11, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
:[[BW:NOT|Battlestar Wiki is not a forum]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:13, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

== Disliking guesses ==

Anyone think that Adama's dislike of his officers guessing (Water) is an homage to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?

''"I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."''

Just a thought :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:25, 5 November 2007 (CST)

== Adama asleep in jump ==

:In ''[[Scattered]]'', Adama was asleep the whole time of the jump from here to there escaping the Cylons by the fact he was unconcscius where in [[33]], everyone was awake the whole 5 days. This could support that u can sleep through a jump. by why keep the fleet up for five days? [[User:CoreyDanian]]
*They weren't all up. Crew had to be awake to operate the vessels. But passengers were asleep. And it can be hard to sleep when you're scared, even if you're tired as frak. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

**But on ''Colonial One'', everyone in Roslin's office were obviously struggling to stay awake. What possible reason could it be to keep all of them away? 03:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

::: Awake? Simple. They were running the government and trying to keep the civilians together. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 04:27, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Admiral and commander oblivious to one another's assassination plans? ==

Source for this? I got the vibe that each knew on some level what the other was plotting. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

== Update needed ==

*This page needs an update more than the ''Galactica'' needs an overhaul. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==BCE==

Please, take note of [[Talk:Timeline_(RDM)#BCE_occurences|this issue]]. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 09:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== William Adama in Caprica ==

I feel like there should probably be a picture of Sina Najafi as young Willie somewhere in this article, given that Sina plays him in like every episode of Caprica, so it's weird that things like the Caprica episode pages or character template point here and it's just a bunch of pictures of EJO and Nico Cortez. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 09:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:I concur completely. If there isn't a picture on Battlestar Wiki Media right now, there should be a decent promotional picture somewhere on the Web. -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 04:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
:Indeed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

== Rear Admiral? ==

Just looking for a source referring to him as ''Rear'' Admiral. I know that Rear Admiral's are referred to as Admiral in conversation, but off the top of my head I can't remember his full rank being listed. It seems to be consistantly "Admiral Adama". I also have a vague recollection of another person being promoted and skipping a rank or two during the series but can't remember that myself. I'm just thinking if it isn't specifically mentioned, should it be listed on this page? -- [[User:Lukefrywalker|Lukefrywalker]] 3:30, 21 April 2010 (AEST)
:I'm not sure about the deal with William Adama, but his [[Leland Adama|son]] went from Major to Commander during his tenure as CO of [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']], I think. I could be wrong, maybe he was a colonel during his XO days, but I don't think he was. [[Anastasia Dualla]] also went from the non-com/enlisted ranks (However that's organized) to a Junior Lieutenant. Skipping ranks is not unheard of, is what I mean but whether or not Adama had done so, I don't know. Seems to me like he probably was, because of the fiasco with [[Helena Cain]] and the need for the fleet to have one, centric CO. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 18:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
: Adama was technically promoted to that rank after Cain's death, now that he commanded "two ships." (Those were Laura Roslin's words.) He was basically given Rear Admiral pins (although, I admit, this is pretty flimsy evidence given that the pins in question were used for all admiral ranks!) As you mentioned, full ranks are not typically used during conversation. So, yes, Cain was a Rear Admiral, although she is consistently referred to as "Admiral Cain" in the dialogue, like Lieutenant J.G.s are referred to as "Lieutenant So-and-so;" the same could be said for those holding the Lieutenant Colonel rank (Fisk held that rank prior to Belzen's execution). As for Lee Adama, he skipped ranks. Or hop-skipped-jumped-and-hop-scotched, beginning with his demotion in "Pegasus" to a mere lieutenant. He's had more rank changes than any other character in the course of the show!
: And if you find the rank scheme maddening... then you're quite sane, because the rank scheme is pretty close to FUBAR to begin with anyway. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
: Well as long as it's not just me, should the article specifically say "Rear Admiral" if we aren't 100% sure? -- [[User:Lukefrywalker|Lukefrywalker]] 00:48, 23 April 2010 (AEST)
:: No, it should be removed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Under the spoiler tags ==

I think you meant "half" and not "step". [[User:Millahnna|Millahnna]] 00:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Military Ranks ==

Just a few concluding remarks I don't blame you for what you did, where I in your position I would have done the same thing. The reason I didn't respond to Serenity's first post was because until yesterday I had been unable to figure out how. As far as fear of retribution, I've never really been involved with a wiki before so I wasn't really sure what to expect and was kind of intimidated. I appreciate you're addressing my issues. Not only did it help me understand why things were happening the way they were, but it also made me feel like my input was welcome and that was all I was asking for. I am anxious to see any clarification you can offer in the weeks ahead because I find this a rather fascinating topic.

Thanks again for the clarification. {{unsigned|Grandmaester314}}

== BG S4.1 in Latin America ==

In Latin America, Season Four of Battlestar Galactica airs on Saturdays and Sundays on [http://www.canalspace.tv Space].

== Dynamic Page List ==

Hi, I just checked all feature about BW and I didn't see the Dynamic Page List feature. Do you plan one day to install it because it's very useful?--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
: Perhaps. I'll talk with [[User:Shane|Shane]] about this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

=== Examples ===

Here are some examples I made for the Stargate Wiki FR:

* To see minor characters:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:LigneMineurs Automatic generation of a line with five stamps] using DPL with entry of the series, the season, and the first article sorted.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un/Page_1 Automatic generation of minor characters for the first page] with automatic sort by last name
**[http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un Automatic creation of minor character stamps page links] with automatic image update and automatic update of the first and the last character name of this page.
* To see objects:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Ligne Automatic generation of a line]. All you juste have to do is to put the correct category.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Armes Autogeneration of a page] with the famous lines.
* To resume objects in a bottom navigation bar:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Divers Nav bar] automaticaly updated (put the right category)

All you have to do with this kind or templates is to put the right category and DPL (with a purge) will do the rest. The main purpose of DPL is to avoid editing when the database can do the stuff for you. You don't have to edit an article or a template to update with new article of the same category. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== What about RFA and RFB for French BW ? ==

Hi Joe,

I'm on the verge to edit the policy for the french version of [[BW:RFA|Request for Admninship]] and [[BW:RFB|Request for Bureaucratship]]. I need your help for this two policies.
# Do I just translate the English version with the same vote system than the main site?
# Do I have to do it in another way?
# Is the principle of request the same than the main site?
Thanks for answering.--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: If you have any suggestions as to improve the policies in question, then that would work well. Until the French wiki has more contributors, I don't think the RFA and RFB are really going to work all that well, and so administrators are promoted on a case-by-case basis as determined by you, me, and Shane. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:: Until I design or translate all the templates needed and the main page, I think there will not be a lot of contributors. The main problem is the lack of French and French-speaking people who speak English fluently. French people are not very confortable with English, so it's very difficult for them to contribute unless they have seen the show and are fans. With your agreement, I will just create one page for RFA and RFB with the statement you said above (Shane, you and me). FYI, all the episodes of the [[Re-Imagined Series]] have been aired in France, and have been released in DVD format (I just saw the Season 4 Part 2 Set yesterday in a supermarket) . --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::: Understandable. And, yes, this works for me. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your hard work! It is certainly appreciated! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:::: Thanks for encouraging. ;-) -- [[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 17:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki Store (FR) and iTunes (FR) ==

Hi again,

I can see on the Support section of the sidebar many links to affiliates (like Amazon and iTunes). Can I (or not) create similar links to french Amazon and iTunes store with french official stuff from ''Battlestar Galactica'' Franchise? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: I'll have to look into it. So don't worry about it for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:: OK. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== German Battlestarwiki ==

For days, I have been trying to access the german Battlestarwiki - without success. Is it offline? Under maintenance?--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 17:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: I'm checking into it. I'll let you know when it's back online. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: It's back up. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you!--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 18:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Happy holidays ==

Hi Joe! Just wanted to say hi and happy holidays to you and yours. I am well, hope you are too. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Jeremy! Happy Holidays! I am doing well, and I'm glad to see that you are too! :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hah, I feel bad now. ==

Since I've joined here, the only thing I've been doing is tinkering with the Glare page. Now I feel bad that's all I've been doing. =/ I gotta help out for the reals, so do any pages need serious revision/are missing a lot of crap that I can help out with? --[[User:NeutraVega|NeutraVega]] 19:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

: Hi there! :D Sorry for the long delay in replying, but we had the database locked and the site moved to new servers, thus the delay. Anyway, we could use the most help on the [[Caprica pilot]] page and subjects relating to ''Caprica''. So if you'd like to start there, that'd be great. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

== Advertising and problem on media repository ==

Hi Joe and Happy New Year, 
As I already said to Shan, I can see that you succeed to bring back the wiki. Congratulations. I have two point to ask.
# I made a donation for the wiki to avoid advertising but I still have them on the screen, why? Thank you for your answer.
# On the media repository, I tried to upload an image. It is actually somewhere in the directory but the sofware is unable to create a thumbnail. It says that it cannot find the "convert" file on the server. So for now, it's impossible to add new images on the media repository.
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

: Happy New Year to you too! :D
: Anyway, I went ahead and upgraded your account to sponsor status, so you shouldn't see the ads. If you do, try logging in and out again. If that doesn't work, a hard refresh should clear the cache. As for the convert issue, I'll have Shane look into it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Thanks, I've no ads anymore. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Awesome! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
: Fixed the issue with the media repository as well. Cheers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

== InterBot and BS Pegasus ==

Hi Joe. 
1. It seems that [[:fr:User:InterBot|InterBot]] doesn't work because the interwiki link I made on the pages I created aren't duplicated on the other wikis. 
2. I don't have access to [http://www.battlestarpegasus.com/ BS Pegasus] either. It says it's forbidden. Is there any problem since the server transfer or something? 
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 21:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, Still doesn't work for both points. Do you have any answer for that please? Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry, I've been pretty busy. (Barely have had time to really work on the wiki, other than to greet the newcomers.) To answer your questions:
: 1. Shane needs to reprogram the InterBot. He hasn't had time to do that as he's been working on projects for Best Buy.
: 2. The BS Pegasus site is down. No ETA on when that'll be back up as it isn't priority. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Calendar dates on auction items ==

Hi Joe,

I expanded the [[Colonial calendar#Different Dating Methods]] section with information from a couple of auction items and noticed in the process that you wrote at least some of the blog entries at battlestarprops.com. Do you recall seeing any calendar items I haven't mentioned yet, and if so, could you point me to their pictures? It would also be nice to see a higher resolution scan of Socrata's medal of valor document, if one is available.

Regards,

-- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

: I honestly never really paid all that much attention to the dating thing, since it was all made up anyway. (''Star Trek'''s "stardate" system is a very good example of this, actually. It isn't until they did TNG that they really put thought into it.) There is very little consistency behind the dating on any of the paperwork; in television production, much of it is thrown together—some of it even at the very last minute—even taking into account the quality of BSG's paperwork being higher than other genre television series. It isn't until ''Caprica'' that they really tried to address the issue of the Colonial dating method, because it's simply not natural not to have characters ''not'' say "Hey Lacy, meet me for lunch on Saturday."

: As for photos of the stuff, the [http://archive.propworx.com Propworx archive] has photos of everything that's been auctioned through Propworx. I also know of a few fans who have won many paperwork documents from the BSG auctions (both live and via eBay) that have taken the time to scan them, but most of their work is on private boards and some prop replication communities. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The scans on that site have a much higher resolution and I already found a couple of items with supposed dates. I would like to document them in the article primarily to establish that there was no real system in the re-imagined series as opposed to ''Caprica''. Such random alphanumerics also suggest to the reader that the dates in Adama's dossier need not be correct necessarily (e.g. the year 20000+). -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 18:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== "pos" extended parser function ==

Hi Joe, I would like to ask if it is possible to add the "'''''pos'''''" Parser Function into the wiki, this will allow to do some research more easily (for example to do an action on pages with a certain text and not on the others). Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 12:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

: Do you have a link so I can check this out? I take it this is an extension to MW. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:: Check [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions this link] to see. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

::: It's now installed. I'd be interested to see how you use this. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 20:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:::: One example for the moment:
::::* The [[fr:Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite, 1re nuit|Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite]] template using [[fr:Modèle:Apparition]]. I use the '''''pos''''' to show the number of apparitions only on the Apparition page (condition) :
::::** When you see it inside the episode: [[fr:Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages|Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages]]
::::** When you see it inside the characters apparition page: [[fr:Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode#Battlestar Galactica|Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode]]. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== HTML activation ==

Hi Joe, I think the wiki has not the HTML function activated because I tried to import some Wikipedia template to adapt them to the wiki and those have htlm writing inside and it doesn't work. So, please, is it possible to activate html editing in the french wiki? Thanks a lot. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
: Which templates are affected? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[fr:Modèle:Infobox/Ligne mixte|This one]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Why not just use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables wikicode table syntax]? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: I tried it but there is an issue when you use a template using parser function inside another template using parser functions. It doesn't recognise at all a link (an image for an example) created by the template inside, it separates the link like a colspan. At least, is it possible to activate only the <code><nowiki><td><hr><tr></nowiki></code> tags? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: OK, I should get to activating those HTML tags sometime tonight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== SVG generation ==

Hi Joe, I hope you're fine, I've seen a little problem with the SVG generator. It doesn't work properly. Here is the message I get :

<code>Erreur lors de la création de la miniature : /usr/bin/rsvg: not found</code>

I think it's a missing file forgot during the transfer last december. Thank you for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

: It's that rsvg isn't presently installed on the new server. I'll send in a support request. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

:: Hi, Joe, Still doesn't work, sorry. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: Yeah, that's because I was sidetracked and neglected sending that support request. I've sent it in and hope to hear from someone in the next 48 hours. Sorry about that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: OK, they've installed it. All should be good now. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:::: YES, it's working. Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

::::: Hi Joe, I think I've a bit too quick to say Hurra. There is still a problem. There is no generation of image but instead of, we have the name of the file. See [[:fr:Modèle:Drapeau]] or [[:fr:Michael Rymer]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::: Looking into it now... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: I'd have to track down the exact error, since our server host doesn't supply tech support for MediaWiki (understandably so) an Shane is busy with projects. Of course, I have no time to do it right not until mid-October because I am committed to other projects right now. Would it be possible to use PNGs for the flags until we can get the SVG issue ironed out? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 01:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== removal of my question ==

Hi !

Yes, it was a real question : how could the pegasus avoid further contamination by the Cylon virus. Is this answered in future episodes ?

Why did you simply remove my question ?

Regards,
Nixab (new fan and new contributor here).

:I think it's a valid question, Joe, so I noted that the answer is in [[Razor]] and spelled it out in the [[Answered Questions from Season 2 (RDM)#Pegasus|Answered Questions from Season 2]]. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

: Fair enough, and I agree. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:11, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jupiter-class battlestar issue ==

I have a problem with your edit of my edit on the Jupiter class battlestar Galactica. The book I refered to is canon since it was written by the science advisor to BSG and sactioned by SyFy and Ron Moore. If yoiu prefer your wiki not to contain official information then that is fine and I will not bother to add any other information to your site. I will rely solely on official material such as this book. Cancel my membersip please.
Good Bye. {{unsigned|Lonewriter}}

: Please refer to [[BW:CITE#Acceptable_Sources|Acceptable Sources]], which list the sources of what makes something canon. Just because there is an error in a book sanctioned by Syfy Channel, does not mean it is automatically canon. As I've only started reading the book, I've already noticed errors (mostly with spelling, such as Cally's name), that raises a few doubts in my mind when it comes to how thoroughly the book was copyedited.

: As I believe I had explained, the episode that the writers of the book refer to ("Pegasus") does ''not'' make mention of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class. ''At all.'' So, they made a mistake, or improperly cited the source. (Now, if it came from the script for that episode, I can see that. We've used scripts as sources before.)

: Now, if Ron Moore or David Eick were to come out and say "well, they're right, ''Galactica'' is a ''Jupiter'' class" then we will certainly note that, and cite that it came from them. Furthermore, maybe I wasn't clear, but I'm not saying that we should throw out the reference at all, but '''it needs to be pointed out that the way the information is present is in ''direct contradiction to what viewers saw on screen.'''''

: Believe me, were this information aired in "Pegasus" fans would have eaten that up, just like they (we) ate up the whole ''Mercury'' class reference that Adama made before Cain boarded the ship. :)

: Now, as to your immature comment, it does suggest that you probably wouldn't be a good editor here, because you don't seem to understand how to critically analyze information, or the necessity of viewing all information with a critical eye. That's fine. There are people who simply don't have that ability. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, you don't have to use the site, at all. I hate to be disingenuous and brusque, but if you're going to use appeals to emotion instead of actually bothering to do the research (which I, and many, many fans have done over the past five-plus years) then you're welcome to leave and never look back.

: However, let me be particularly clear when I say this: what I have done is pointed out this error, which you've brought to our attention, so thank you for that. Now, if you want to act like a prima donna and storm off in a huff, then that's your call. You're more than welcome to stay, or you are more than welcome to leave. Ball is in your court. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== William Adama edits ==

I seem to find the spoiler tag formatting (I edit on wikipedia but we have nothing similar there) so I'm just going to be as vague as I can be and hope you understand. While reading over the spoilered info on William Adama's page that you recently added I realized that you have a character connection slightly off. If you check my edit history, you'll see I made a similar change on a related page. Hope that's enough for you to see what I meant (since I can't edit the Old Man's page). [[User:Millahnna|Millahnna]] 23:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Willie Adama

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Millahnna: no indication that she already has a child - he is a half-brother

{{spoiler}}
{{Character Data
|photo=Willie Adama.jpg
|caption 2=William Adama at age 11 in ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''
|age=11 (approx. at time of death)
|colony= [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], of [[Tauron (RDM)|Tauron]] descent
|birthname= William Adama
|nickname= Willie
|seen= Caprica (pilot)
|pseen=''Caprica'' pilot
|death= Killed by a member of the [[Ha'la'tha]]
|parents= [[Joseph Adama]] † (father) [[Shannon Adama]] † (mother)
|siblings= [[Tamara Adama]] (sister) † {{spoilli|[[William Adama]] (step-brother)}}
|familytree=Y
|cylon=
|actor= [[Sina Najafi]] (''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'')
}}

'''William Adama''' (known as '''Willie Adama''', and with the former Capricanized family name "Adams") is the only son from [[Joseph Adama]]'s first marriage to [[Shannon Adama]].

Born on Caprica in 69 [[BCH]], his father was a [[Tauron (RDM)|Tauron]] immigrant and an attorney specializing in criminal defense and civil liberties with ties to the [[Ha'la'tha]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Litmus]]", "[[Hero]]"; [[CAP]]: [[Caprica pilot|Pilot]]). Both his mother and his sister, [[Tamara Adama|Tamara]], died in a suicide bombing on the [[Maglev 23]] when he was 11. Because of anti-Tauron prejudice, Adama's father assumed the more Caprican-sounding surname Adams, but eventually the family reverted to the original Tauron name after 58 BCH ([[CAP]]: [[Caprica pilot|Pilot]]).

After the death of both his mother and sister, Adama becomes estranged from his father, who is indirectly involved with the creation of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] after his uncle, [[Sam Adama]], violently secures the [[meta-cognitive processor]] ([[CAP]]: [[Caprica pilot|Pilot]], "[[Know Thy Enemy]]"). As a result of this estrangement, Sam assumes a parental role in Adama's life, much to his father's chagrin, and as a result becomes rebellious ([[CAP]]: "[[Rebirth]]", "[[The Reins of a Waterfall]]", "[[There is Another Sky]]"). His grandmother, [[Ruth]], encourages Adama's pursuit of his Tauron culture, even offering him uncharacteristically chilling advice in the process ([[CAP]]: [[Pilot]], "[[Gravedancing]]", "[[There is Another Sky]]").

He and his father later undergo a Tauron ritual that is meant to deal with the loss of loved ones, and this seems to aid in the reconciliation between them ([[CAP]]: "[[There is Another Sky]]"). At the time, he is unaware that his father had [[Daniel Graystone]] create an [[Tamara-A|avatar]] of his dead sister; he knew they were friends, but is oblivious to the circumstances that putrified this friendship ([[CAP]]: "[[Gravedancing]]").

{{spoiltext|When the [[Guatrau]]'s daughter, [[Fidelia Fazekas]], discovers that Joseph and Sam are smuggling [[U-87 Cyber Combat Units]] to the Tauron resistance fighters, she reveals the betrayal to her father which leads to his order for their execution. After a failed assassination attempt thwarted by Ruth, Sam and Joseph take Willie and [[Evelyn Adama]], and plan on hiding. When Sam and Joseph go to retrieve the money stashed away at the Tauron restaurant Sam works out from, they run into Ha'la'tha soldiers. During the ensuing fight, Willie runs to help his father and uncle, and is mortally wounded as a stray bullet goes through his hand and into his stomach during the short-lived firefight. Willie dies within minutes in Sam's hands ([[CAP]]: "[[Here Be Dragons]]").

The "William Adama" name lives on in his half-brother from the marriage of Joseph and Evelyn Adama: [[William Adama]], who would later be known as "Husker" and would become the last commander of the battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[CAP]]: "[[Apotheosis (episode)|Apotheosis]]"; [[Re-imagined Series]] proper).}}

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