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Talk:Shelly Godfrey/Archive 1

2009-03-22T09:51:11Z

Marianne: /* Status as a cylon */ Perhaps another "angel", instead?

I don't think we can be sure that Shelly's real aim was to push Baltar into accepting the Cylon God. It seems more likely that she was truly trying to discredit him in order to stop the Cylon Detector from being completed. In the previous episode, a Doral attempted to destroy the Cylon Detector in a suicide bombing. [[User:Amos frans|Amos frans]] 03:07, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

:Thanks for commenting, Amos. There are new twists on the Godfrey mystery as of the episode, "[[Downloaded]]."

#How, if virtual Six is imaginary, was Godfrey summoned (and dismissed) at the right time after Baltar's tiff with virtual Six? How, or did, the two "Six's" communicate? Or, does Baltar do something that causes the changes?
#The Shelly model denied any Cylon corraboration (she was either a sleeper or under deep cover, as D'anna Biers is).
#Was Doral actually targeting the detector, or ''Galactica's'' commanders? They were nearby and were spotted by Doral, who proceeds with his plan.

--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:05, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

::For #2, I don't understand, why would Shelly admit anything? About #3, it doesn't seem very likely Doral was after Tigh and Adama, he was already past them when Adama called his name. He only detonated the bomb when he got caught, it seemed like he hadn't yet reached his target. --[[User:Amos frans|Amos frans]] 14:31, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

:::For my 2nd point, Baltar was unable to coax Shelly into admitting being complicit in virtual Six's attempts for his "repentance," so I think she was on her own; virtual Six was not really involved--I think she is really a hullucination. As for Doral, I'll have to watch that scene again. You might be right. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:43, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

== POV Issue ==

This article presupposes that Godfrey and the virtual Six are connected, while information from "[[Downloaded]]" confirms that the virtual Six (and [[Caprica-Six]]'s virtual Baltar) are NOT Cylon constructs, nor are either sides aware of the existence of these phantoms. For the article to make a connection stretches plausibility as well as known data. We ''do'' know that virtual Six does tend to appear when he is endangered, or when "it" feels the need to intervene. That's really all we know. It may be (knowing that Gaius exists) that ''he'' somehow can sense (unconsciously) when a Six model is around. Again, that's supposition. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:11, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
: I've cleaned up the article. What does everyone think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:42, 22 December 2006 (CST)
:: Looks nice and shiny to me :) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:31, 22 December 2006 (CST)
:::Shiny! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:24, 23 December 2006 (CST)

== Status as a cylon ==

Isn't it supposition that Shelly is a cylon? Technically, all we know is that, like Head Six, she is someone who has the appearance of a Number Six model cylon. However, no other known cylon has ever mentioned her or claimed to know anything about her.

If the popular theory that she is a manifestation of Head Six is correct, then she may well not even be a cylon. It seems doubtful we will ever find out the truth about who or what Shelly really was, but I feel as though her status as a cylon is not concrete at all. --[[User:Motoki|Motoki]] 17:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

: She's a Cylon. She's not some head character, as she had a physical appearance and interacted with everyone. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

::She could have been yet another "angel", in the sense that Kara Thrace turned out to be one... her mysterious disappearance isn't an ability shown by any other cylons, but *is* extremely similar to how Kara Thrace disappeared. [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 09:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Number Seven/Archive 1

2009-02-20T18:47:52Z

Marianne: /* Just something I noticed */ reply and question to Noneofyourbusiness

==Daniel = Cylon God?==

Gotta put it out there...--[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 13:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:Kara's father. Obviously. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
::http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kara_Thrace%2C_father_of. "According to Ellen, Number Seven was creative, sensitive and an artist." http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Seven "Kara Thrace's father was a pianist and/or composer". Hmmm... Don't you think that if Kara found out that she was a hybrid the first thing she would do is shoot herself in the head? Not only would that be repetitive of Dualla's end, but it doesn't quite sound like a proper ending. Plus, there has to be SOMEONE who is the Cylon God. Why not Daniel? --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 13:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::It's also quite possible that Kara *is* Daniel - Daniel's genetic code was corrupted, and corruptions in genetic code can alter gender. For example, the real life genetic condition of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" will cause a foetus with male DNA to develop into essentially a female baby (although with no womb, and undescended testes). While Kara does (or did) have a womb and ovaries, and therefore it's not going to be that exact same condition, it's possible that other, similar genetic corruptions could cause this. It's also possible that Cavil/John had just the tiniest bit of remorse, and implanted what was left of Daniel's DNA into Kara's mother to develop - which may both explain her bitterness towards Kara, and her insistence that she had a special predestined purpose - either through John explaining what he was doing (unlikely), or if Kara's mother had no idea how she'd gotten pregnant (ie not having slept with any men and thus having a "miraculous" conception). Just my thoughts, anyway. [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 20:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::: If it were a real geneticist speaking, "corrupting the genetic formula" would mean rendering it nonviable. Just so you know. And her resurrection would still be unexplained if she were Cylon. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Just something I noticed ==

Just prior to Sam's surgery to remove the bullet, Kara presses him about 7 - it went like this:

Kara: The seven -- tell me -- please.

Sam: Seven...seven...seven was the...Daniel.

Kara: You're sure about the word?

Sam: Yes

Kara: Daniel

Sam: He died - Daniel died. She was seven.

Note: "she" was seven.

He was rambling, and Ellen used "he"/"him" on a number of occasions - but - it's an interesting "slip" - Daniel...Danielle?

[[User:Svdasein|Svdasein]]
:I'm afraid you're mishearing. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 08:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::No, I also noticed that - it's actually one of the reasons for the theory I wrote above. [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 11:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid you're both mishearing. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Number Seven/Archive 1

2009-02-20T11:17:28Z

Marianne: /* Just something I noticed */ me too

Talk:Number Seven/Archive 1

2009-02-18T20:31:36Z

Marianne: /* Daniel = Cylon God? */ daniel = kara?

Adamastache

2008-05-07T20:04:36Z

Marianne: little tweak to the phrasing and structure, expanse on the cylon model theory.

{{sillypage}}

[[Image:Adamastache.jpg|thumb|right|Closeup of the Adamastache]]
[[Image:Adama's b-day card.jpg|thumb|right|Starbuck's Adamastache]]

The '''Adamastache''' is the facial hair adorning Admiral [[William Adama]]'s upper lip.

The Adamastache first appears to us in "[[Scattered]]", where it was revealed that Adama wore it during his civilian career. It appears again after the one-year jump in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" but meets an untimely demise at the beginning of [[Season 3|Season Three]] in the episode "[[Exodus, Part II]]". While the shaving of the Adamastache was possibly symbolic of a new beginning for the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]], we also learn through flashbacks in the episode "[[Unfinished Business]]" that it was also party to a "laid-back" Adama and possibly played a role in the alleged nookie between the Admiral and [[Laura Roslin]] on [[New Caprica]].

A photograph of [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] with an Adamastache can be seen in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Given the Adamastache's apparent ability to be mysteriously resurrected after being killed by shaving, and the obvious presence of more than one copy of it, the moustache may very well be the final Cylon model.

A [[Wikipedia:Moustache|moustache]] has historically indicated the man wearing it was a soldier. As ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' had jumped away from the civilians, Adama's role during the time immediately before he shaved it was purely military. Though clearly he didn't originally grow it to symbolize that he was solely a military man without the civilian population, shaving it could still serve as a sign that, with civil authority restored, he is again bound by more than military objectives. Also, it helped get the nookie when he didn't see Roslin so often, but, now that they interact professionally and frequently once more, it is no longer needed.

Not to be confused with [[New Caprican loco weed|Adama's Stash]].

==Notes==

* "الرجل بلا شنب كالقط بلا ذنب" - "A man without moustache is like a cat without a tail." - Arabic Saying
* "Don't point that beard at me, it might go off" - Groucho Marx

==See also==

* [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] [[Sexy Treason Stubble]]
* [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol's]] [[Beard of Organized Labor]]
* [[Saul Tigh|Tigh's]] [[Guerilla Booze-Catcher]]
* [[William Adama|Adama's]] [[Adama Glare|Glare]]

==External links==

* [http://www.myspace.com/xena420 Adamastache on MySpace]

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]

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Adamastache

2008-05-03T11:14:53Z

Marianne: the moustache *is* the final model of cylon, i'm telling you!!

{{sillypage}}

[[Image:Adamastache.jpg|thumb|right|Closeup of the Adamastache]]
[[Image:Adama's b-day card.jpg|thumb|right|Starbuck's Adamastache]]

The '''Adamastache''' is the facial hair adorning Admiral [[William Adama]]'s upper lip.

The Adamastache first appears to us in "[[Scattered]]", where it was revealed that Adama wore it during his civilian career. It appears again after the one-year jump in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" but meets an untimely demise at the beginning of [[Season 3|Season Three]] in the episode "[[Exodus, Part II]]". While the shaving of the Adamastache was possibly symbolic of a new beginning for the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]], we also learn through flashbacks in the episode "[[Unfinished Business]]" that it was also party to a "laid-back" Adama and possibly played a role in the alleged nookie between the Admiral and [[Laura Roslin]] on [[New Caprica]]. Given the Adamastache's apparent ability to mysteriously reappear after being killed by shaving, the moustache may very well be the final Cylon model.

A photograph of [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] with an Adamastache can be seen in "[[The Son Also Rises]]".

A [[Wikipedia:Moustache|moustache]] has historically indicated the man wearing it was a soldier. As ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' had jumped away from the civilians, Adama's role during the time immediately before he shaved it was purely military. Though clearly he didn't originally grow it to symbolize that he was solely a military man without the civilian population, shaving it could still serve as a sign that, with civil authority restored, he is again bound by more than military objectives. Also, it helped get the nookie when he didn't see Roslin so often, but, now that they interact professionally and frequently once more, it is no longer needed.

Not to be confused with [[New Caprican loco weed|Adama's Stash]].

==Notes==

* "الرجل بلا شنب كالقط بلا ذنب" - "A man without moustache is like a cat without a tail." - Arabic Saying
* "Don't point that beard at me, it might go off" - Groucho Marx

==See also==

* [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] [[Sexy Treason Stubble]]
* [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol's]] [[Beard of Organized Labor]]
* [[Saul Tigh|Tigh's]] [[Guerilla Booze-Catcher]]
* [[William Adama|Adama's]] [[Adama Glare|Glare]]

==External links==

* [http://www.myspace.com/xena420 Adamastache on MySpace]

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]

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Category talk:Wikipedians

2007-06-21T10:13:40Z

Marianne: my opinion

How is it that Joe B. got his name to appear without the User: bit in front of it, but the rest of us retain it? I'd rather be sorted under D, than U, really. I realize this is a minor thing. I just thought I'd wonder out loud. --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:26, 29 August 2005 (EDT)
: Actually, I just did it in the normal namespace (i.e. without the "User" prefix. I do, however, plan on rectifying this. So please don't follow my wiki faux pas. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:44, 29 August 2005 (EDT)
:: Noted. I'll keep my eye out. Thanks. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:21, 30 August 2005 (EDT)

== What ''is'' a Wikipedian? ==

I just realized that I'm not, really, a Wikipedian. I have never contributed to the Wikipedia proper. That's, admitedly, a rather strict definition, but I thought I'd ask: Is this supposed to be a listing of users here who also contribute to the Wikipedia in order to differentiate its self from the user listing? Or is it supposed to be a listing of the more regular contributors to ''this'' site? --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:31, 10 September 2005 (EDT)
:[[User:Marianne|Marianne]] also [[User talk:JubalHarshaw#Bug.2FIssue with Template:User Data|brought this up]] recently: why is category called "Wikipedians" while we're not Wikipedia? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:13, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree...while it's supposed to be more generic to describe a wiki user (no matter the software type), it still gives the notion that Wikipedia is the end-all-be-all places for editing. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:32, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I'd never really thought about it, as a "Wikipedian" to me is anyone who contributes to any Wiki, not just Wikipedia, but I can see where it could be confusing. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 12:18, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
:More of a question... if we didn't want to call ourselves Wikipedians, what should we call ourselves? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 17:26, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
::What about "Galactipedians"? Anything with "Battlestar" in the name would sound odd. Alternatively, something neutral like "User". Works well; like "male/female user" or "french user". All in all, I never had a problem with the category, but now that people say it, it's a bit strange. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:37, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
:::"User" works, "Galactipedian" works also and amuses me more so my vote is for the latter :) Personally I feel "Wikipedian" does technically refer only to Wikipedia, though by that same technicality "Galactipedian" would be mildly odd, but it's a real nice play on words :) [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 05:13, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

User:Marianne

2007-06-19T15:43:03Z

Marianne:

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Not sure what I should say here! My name's Marianne, I'm an English girl, and very geeky, love the new BSG, got my gf hooked to it, and my website is [http://xmoogle.org xmoogle.org] :)

User:Marianne

2007-06-19T15:33:22Z

Marianne:

User talk:JubalHarshaw

2007-06-19T15:26:17Z

Marianne: Bug/Issue with Template:User_Data

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== Thanks for the Cleanup ==

With 1,700 articles to patrol, the admins (myself included) thank you for helping us in consistency with the minor edits you've done. It's much appreciated. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:48, 26 December 2006 (CST)
:Word. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:43, 26 December 2006 (CST)
::Glad to help, and thanks for the kudos. Please let me know if you see anything that's incorrect or inconsistent in my edits and I'll be sure to clean them up. Generally I just look at other articles in the category (or, at the more fleshed-out RDM episode articles when dealing with the TOS episodes, etc.) to get a feel for the standards and layouts to follow. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:53, 27 December 2006 (CST)
:::Ditto. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:11, 27 December 2006 (CST)

== You are among the Trusted ==

Per [[BW:MOVE|your page move request]] and policy qualifications, you are now among the Trusted Users of the Sponge. Use your powers wisely. Maybe someday you'll become a member of the [[Mop Boy|Order of the Mop]] or Squeegee. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:10, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
: Thanks much, Spencerian! I'm honored, and I'll be worthy of the Trust! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 17:13, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

== {{tl|bsgwiki term}} ==

I created before. I forgot to tell people about it. :-D [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:01, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
: Thanks Shane! Whatever the need, Shane has the breed (of template, that is!) :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:06, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

== Take the Red Mop ==

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== GTalk ==

Sent you an invite. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:41, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

== Earth... ==

Do all the TOS ones.. and I can have the replace bot go through and do it automatically for the RDM ones... ;-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:18, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
:You don't have to do the RDM ones. I think TOS is ready, so we can have Shane activate the bot. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:24, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::Sounds good. I was just hitting a few of the quotes, they're not categorized, so I wasn't sure if the bot would hit them or not. Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 08:27, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:::I believe the bot sees everything. Anyway, I'll let Shane know he can let loose the bot on the [[Earth]] links as well. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:30, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

==TOS template==
Can you please stop adding the {{tl|TOS}} to original series articles. The template is not yet ready to be rolled out to pages yet and even when its finished testing we will get a bot to do all the changes not done manually. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:03, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
: Sure, sorry. I just saw it on a of TOS number of pages already when I was looking around last night and thought it was ready for prime time. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 08:32, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
::A few people jumped the gun last night as began adding it to TOS pages but its still not properly ready yet which is why people had stopped adding them. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:46, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

== Please congratulate JubalHarshaw! ==

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:Congrats ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:14, 21 April 2007 (CDT)

== Blog? ==

Do you have an user account on the blog? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:49, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:I've now registered there. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:38, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Bug/Issue with Template:User_Data ==

Hiya, thanks for the welcome, but I noticed something of an...error? with the user data template - ''"gender: Male or Female. This option will also place you in '''Category:Male Wikipedians''' or '''Category:Female Wikipedians'''."'' - that shouldn't really be "Wikipedians", should it (neither the categories themselves nor where the template places people)? I mean...this isn't Wikipedia, so...:) hope this is a helpful thing to point out, anyway. Take care! [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 10:26, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Spencerian

2007-06-19T15:18:48Z

Marianne: Thanks for the welcome :)

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== Sciffy Thread ==
I reported your discovery [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2275066 here]. I gave you credit for the find, of course, and hoped that the extra eyes on the subject might help shed some light on the "other" ship. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:16, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
:Excellent. The more eyes on it, the better. Seven letters appear to be the key, so Olympus is possible. I haven't used my Sciffy account in months.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:02, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

==Units of Measure (TOS)==
Argh, I hate edit conflicts! Was working on that one at the same time you were. :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 12:23, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
:Sorry about that! You have the same thoughts as I do; merging like content that otherwise make articles that are too general and not wiki-specific. I'm working on [[Squadrons of Galactica]] right now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:44, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

== Guyle Fraizer as Colonial One co-pilot ==

Hi there, my source for that is actually that I know Guyle personally (and yes, the one you found on the IMDB is the right one, I'm apparently just an idiot and spelled his name wrong), and he and I talked about it a few times. :) {{unsigned|Zeppo}}

== A Comment From Mrs. Ron ==

[[Terry Dresbach]], a.k.a, "Mrs. Ron" on the Skiffy boards, appreciated [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2276767&st=120 my comments] on ''Battlestar's'' wrap-up season. Given the many messages in this fast-growing thread, I'm humbled that she noticed it. Her response sums up everything that I loved about the new series. It has given us a great ride, and so long as Ron has a stogie and scotch handy, we'll see more good things from him. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:33, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:I agree. It would be nice to go on, but in the long run it's better to end it on a high point. The main thing I'm disappointed about is that the rest of the show will probably revolve around the search for Earth and the Final Five. Which are far from my favorite themes in the show. I initially liked that it placed character over story and that seems to have changed. But I digress.
:Anyways, I'm indifferent to the usual fan outrage as well these days, and even distanced myself a bit from message boards where constant whining seems to be the norm. When an outstanding show really hasn't been give a chance, I can get behind campaigns and be sad, but a three-hour miniseries, 4 seasons and a TV movie are really more than fair these days. If people want to think that the show was directly canceled by the network that is, as usual, to be expected; I'm willing to give the producers the benefit of the doubt. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:18, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
::Whining is the norm everywhere (except here) at this point, dude --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:38, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I don't provide any cheese for all that whine, myself. I'm glad that we're not (yet) seeing a spike because of the news, but that may change. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:28, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Your comments were great, Spencerian. It basically sums up how I feel. Personally, any time I see a worthwhile TV show survive the dreaded "Firefly" 1 season curse, I smile. Haters will complain about whatever is available; if a show ends, they'll cry about that - if it continues and "doesn't live up", they'll cry about that. Misery loves company. Just another reason to avoid forums. I'd rather be here doing something constructive. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:45, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::Agreed. This place is much more fun. And there is so many roads to go in finding Earth. There is going to be a meeting of minds (and maybe more) in what the Cylons and Colonials truly mean to each other. And it may even leave the story just a little open for a backstory. Just my opinion, but You Heard It Here First. :) Terry notes that, in her opinion, ''Caprica'' will not make it. But there are so many shows that could use a "re-imagining". As one Slashdot writer said about Ron's abilities: "If I heard he was going to re-imagine ''The Phone Book'', I'd watch it." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:52, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::That's what I was thinking too: Ron and his people have made one hell of a name for themselves, if they decide to start another project, Sci Fi will happily accept it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 05:58, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::::[[Galactica 1980 (RDM)|How about this?]] --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:33, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::::I guess that depends on how S4 is gonna end. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:00, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
: I am honestly happy to say that I'm pleased with this announcement, and I'm glad that your comments were appreciated by the right people. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 14:56, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

== Thanks for the welcome :) ==

Hey, thanks for the welcome, glad you liked my site :) (even if it badly needs rewriting from scratch...) and yep, my aspergersish pedantism about detail would just not let me leave the page on accents saying Aerilon accent was "diluted northern english" when it was a Yorkshire accent (got one or two friends living there), so that's why I created an account! Oh, and happy birthday!!! :) take care, [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 10:18, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

User:Marianne

2007-06-19T11:40:02Z

Marianne: New page: Not sure what I should say here! My name's Marianne, I'm an English girl, and my website is [http://xmoogle.org xmoogle.org] :)

Not sure what I should say here! My name's Marianne, I'm an English girl, and my website is [http://xmoogle.org xmoogle.org] :)

Talk:Language in the Twelve Colonies/Archive3

2007-06-19T11:38:13Z

Marianne: /* Aerelon Accent */

==Radio Alphabet==

''Discussions moved to [[Talk:Colonial Wireless Alphabet]] by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] at 20:07, 10 October 2005 (EDT).''

==Aerelon Accent==
:''(It is probably some subtle nuance that a Colonial character like Baltar could notice, but that is indistinguishable from an American accent to the audience).''

No, listen. None of these characters are actually speaking English. The whole thing is a conceit to make it intelligable to the viewer. I'm sure that in the fictional universe of BSG, Boomer does speak with a "trace of an Aerelon accent", but since the show chooses to represent this as Standard American English, there's little point speculating about phonological variations that we can't hear. It's not a matter of Baltar being able to hear something we can't, the showmakers have just chosen not to give us the information. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:38, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

: Yeah. I tend to agree. My agreement is influenced by a couple of things in addition to the above.

: '''One:''' I have a BA in Linguistics. I know a bit about accents and the sounds of human speech, etc. I'm also somewhat used to hearing differences in sounds that most Anglophones aren't used to (like distinctions that are meaningful in other languages, but not in English). These two things make it hard for me to believe that, after reading about this theory and listening to Boomer speak with the purpose of hearing an accent, I'd somehow be unable to hear it simply because I'm ''missing'' it.

: '''Two:''' I'm a rather large Tolkien dork and am familiar with the idea of "translating" something into English for the benefit of English-speaking viewers (to say nothing of over-dubbed versions of this show for non-English-speaking viewers. Additionally, being familiar with Tolkien's special flavor of language-centric crazy, I don't get that, well, vibe from RDM. He seems much more interested in the story and the cinematics than correctly representing the names of people from Dale as corrupted Old English names in order to show their long-ago linguistic connection to the Rohirrim, whose language is tacitly represented by Old English--as he should be.

: If, for whatever reason, the BSG production/directoral staff were interested in drawing parallels to Colonial accents with the use of English accents, it would be much more apparent. What is more likely is, as Peter posits, they aren't giving us the information. That's been screened out if for no other reason than the fact that they didn't really think about it. It's not a big deal. I think this is evidenced by Baltar's remark about Boomer's accent, actually. If they were keeping tabs of language enough to care about accents, they would realise the extreme unlikelihood that even a stereotypically recognized majority of an entire planet's population would have an accent that was the same. I mean--What's the most common (and thus, best seen as stereotypically Earthly) accent on our world? Chinese. Which is, you know, not precisely an accent. ;o)

: I think, actually, that the BSG crew ''are'' paying attention to accents, however. It's just not in a way that identifies characters geographically or--whatever. They pick accents that will predispose American and British (and, thus, probably Australian) viewers to certain preconceptions about their characters. Baltar speaks, more or less, the Queen's English, which will predispose Westerners to assume he's intelligent, wealthy, well bred and well educated. Baltar ''is'' these things. Kara Thrace speaks pretty standard American English and does it with a fairly high volume. She assumes the stereotypes of the loud American, so to speak. Notice, too, that the reporter had an English accent. At the end of her documentary, I half expected her to say, "This is D'anna Whatever, BBC news." I don't even ''get'' the BBC in Texas.

: This is getting absurdly lengthy. I apologize. I tend to do this when words are at issue. Anyway, one final point: I don't think the same thing can be neccesarily said for "race". Since where your genes are from, geographically, is a rather more visual thing, I tend to think that this would more easily occur to a TV producer as something worth keeping track of. That doesn't mean that it did and they are, but that most of my arguements here don't apply to that case much. I'll, ah, I'm done now. ;o) --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:31, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

::Well said. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:01, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

It is true that Grace Park is a fluent speaker of Korean, but her English--either as Sharon Valerii or as herself in interviews--bears no trace of a Korean accent whatsoever. I am married to a native Korean speaker, have friends and colleagues who speak Korean either as their first or second language, and have been studying the language for a few years myself, so I am absolutely certain that Korean has no bearing on what might or might not be considered an Aerelon accent. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:I tend to agree, but felt like someone would bring up her bilingualism inevitably and that it would be better to address it directly. If Grace Park (and thus Boomer) has a trace of ''any'' accent, it ought to be Korean, so I felt it worth a mention. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:31, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::You said that Grace Park's bilingualism would come up eventually. I would recommend limiting discussions of her bilingualism to the actress' bio page. The label "Korean" doesn't meaningfully describe anything that's going on when Sharon/Boomer is speaking. My own Korean is getting good enough that I'm approaching true "bilingual" status, but nobody would use "Korean" to describe my English. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:::Discussing Park's bilingualism on the actress' bio page would not shed any insight for a reader of this page, nor would it allay any questions that such knowledge might raise. I understand that her spoken english is flawless, but the fact that it is not actually her first language is at least marginally relevant here, and is given the footnote it deserves.

:::As for her "northwestern" accent, I don't truly believe that that's any different from General American / Standard Midwestern - the only phonological difference I can think of is the caught/cot merger, which is too subtle to deserve the name "accent". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:00, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: Perhaps it should be specifically noted here that her Korean fluency doesn't seem to have any impact whatsoever on her English accent. I agree with Peter that it's important to note it here, so that someone who doesn't know any better doesn't come along and think we missed that point and that they've solved our problem by mentioning a (non-existant) Korean accent. Sometimes, when you are making an argument or assertion, you have to mention some things that are, really, irrelevant in order to make clear that they are, indeed, irrelevant so that others will not wrongly think that they are. Make sense? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:08, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::::I was just about to say something like that. Thanks, Day! --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 03:10, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::Tried to make it a little more forceful. You can tell that this wiki is great because we spend whole evenings discussing single sentences. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:18, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::: Nice edit. And I hope you were being serious. I spent a lot of time in college working on a print publication and for the last couple years, I was the Editor in Chief (kind of a joke because there were only six of us on staff). In any case, it was a humor publication and sometimes we'd spend hours debating about the wording of a single sentence in order to deliver the most punch. It almost always paid off. In this case, we're not looking to be funny, but I still think it pays to make sure a sentence communicates exactly the information we intend: no more and no less. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::: Quite serious. Concision is nothing without precision. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::: So, you're not really the Concision Fairy. You're the Concision/Percision Fairy. Which is less concise, but more precise. Maybe you're the (Con|Pre)cision Fairy. Phleh. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:16, 20 October 2005 (EDT)

I just watched "Dirty Hands" last night, and the accent Baltar speaks with is unmistakeable to an English girl like me - it's a Yorkshire accent :) so I've edited to reflect that, the accent isn't "diluted", but Yorkshire accents are different to a more general north English accent therefore it could seem that way. [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 06:38, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

==Racetrack==
Is it just me or does Racetrack have a vaguely Canadian accent in her scene on the Raptor early in [[Final Cut]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:10, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

==Stating the obvious==

:''Mister (Mr), Miss, and Doctor have all been used, but Missus {Mrs} has not.''

The concision fairy frowns in disapproval. Why is this interesting? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:26, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

Nothing much since we haven't seen anyone married. Given the gender equality in BSG, however, it may well be that "Mrs" is not used. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 17:20, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

==Valley Girl Accent==

[[User:Day|Day]] and I believe that [[Pythia]] likely spoke with [[Wikipedia:High rising terminal|High rising terminal]]s, also known as a "valley girl accent". We have concluded this based on the fact that no less than 67% of the direct quotes from her book of prophecy begin with the coordinating conjunction "and", as in the following passage:

"And, like, the lords anointed a leader to like, guide the Caravan of the Heavens to their new homeland?, and, like, unto the leader they gave a vision of serpents numbering two and ten?, as like, a sign of things to come?, which is like, totally spooky. And then, like, the Arrow of Apollo will open the Tomb of Athena, which is totally ''boss'', but Zeus like, got all uppity and warned the leaders of the twelve tribes that any return to Kobol would exact a price in blood, which is totally ''gross'', 'cause blood is gross, y'know? And like, a real ''bummer'', since Kobol is hot shit."

So say we all. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:19, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

: NO, that was meant to sound religious, in the tone of "And the number shall be "three". "Four" be too many, and "two" be too few (unless though then proceedeth to "three"). "Five" is right out. ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005

::The effect is, as noted, somewhat different when you read them all out in a list. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

:::Damn both of you. My deykoard is ruimed from spittake effect with kola! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:03, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

: You should read the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle sometime; half of the sentences begin with "and". The thought of dark-age Anglo-Saxon monks speaking with valley-girl accents is very jarring. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 23:07, 10 February 2007 (CST)

==General American==
On a somewhat smaller matter, there is no linguistically accepted version of English called "General English," with a capital G. I am willing to accept a lower case g, "general English," to indicate "common sense" notions about the accent/group of accents. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:You are correct. The article previously referred to Standard American English (SAE), which I have encountered in contrast to African American Vernacular English (AAVE) in sociolinguistics. As I'm sure you can tell, I intend to refer to the midwestern "newscaster accent" used throughout the entertainment industry.

:As for Wikipedia, they referred to this accent as [[Wikipedia:Standard Midwestern|Standard Midwestern]] until last February. It was then [[Wikipedia:Talk:General American#move to "General American"?|moved]] to [[Wikipedia:General American|General American]] based on [[Wikipedia:User:Angr|User:Angr]]'s statement that "the accent is not standard in any official sense, nor is it limited to the Midwest."

:Since they are serving as our primary reference, I am inclined to follow their conventions on the matter. Perhaps you could take up your point with them? I realize that we are not powerless to employ our own terminology, but consistancy strikes me as a self-evident virtue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:31, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Sigh. General American bothers me. I'd ''much'' prefer Standard American English. I mean--that's a term that linguists use when discussing American accents. I wish Wikipedia had a page entitled that, but I don't want to get into a land war there (or, really anything there as time is finite). A few things have to be understood about SAE (or, as it stands, General English):

:: 1) It doesn't really exist as a spoken dialect. No one grows up learning SAE the way one can grow up speaking Texan English or any of the various sub-dialects of AAVE or whatever. However, Americans seem to be able to sense what it is. This is still under research.

:: 2) When used in a non-scholastic setting (like this wiki), saying someone speaks SAE generally means that the region they learned English in is not identifyable by the way they speak. Apollo speaks SAE, for instance. However, Jamie Baber or however it's spellt, is British and really speaks some form of British English dialect (I've not heard him speak myself).

:: With these two trhings in mind, using a term like SAE to refer to dislects of characters is perfectly fine. I mean--the dialect is a kind of mental construct and so doesn't really exist and the characters, likewise, don't really exist. ;) Okay. That was a joke. My problem with the term "General American" is that I've never seen it before in a linguistic context. "Standard American English" is a term used in all caps like that in many texts by various authors. I'm tired and I think I'm losing coherancy. Does my point about, for lack of a better word, officialness come across clearly? I sure hope so. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:04, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::I would be happy to have the relevant links marked as Standard American English and go to Wiki's General American article through pipes. The term General American was introduced on October 8th by [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] - I'd like to know if he is personally in favor of the term, or was just matching wikipedia's terminology. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:09, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

==Sanskrit to do==
*Link to credible text repository & audio recording.
*Transliterate Sanskrit properly, using IAST. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 14 November 2005 (EST)

Hopefully the Don Davis sources may be of help to others in further translation from his Matrix Revolutions tracks (noted in our article now). Enlightening stuff--I use the "Navras" track and its chant in my daily workouts--gets my heart rate up. I was wondering why Elosha's chant seemed so damned familiar, and now I know why. Wild how my favorite SF topics and music merge like this. Speaking of which, I think a music article on BSG will be due sometime... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:09, 14 November 2005 (EST)

:Am I the only one who finds this matrix stuff to be badly off-topic? Davis's transliteration isn't very good, either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:04, 14 November 2005 (EST)

::I'm going to strike this. If anyone wants to make a note of the coincidence on the references page, that would be fine. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:12, 14 November 2005 (EST)

==Other Accents==
:What about all of the Canadian accents? I'm no linguist, but the way Tigh speaks sounds very different to the way Adama speaks. Besides, many characters on the show are played by Canadian actors like Aaron Douglas, Tricia Helfer, and Tahmoh Penikett, each with varying degrees of accent. --[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 19:51, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Many Canadian accents are very similar to the Midwestern SAE used in Hollywood. If you can name a character with a particularly strong accent, I'd be happy to identify them here, but Hogan, Douglas, Helfer and Penikett don't seem to fit the bill.

::Note that place of origin and accent do not necessarily coincide - nobody would claim that Lee Adama speaks with a British Accent, although Jamie Bamber certainly does. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::I've always felt that Hogan's accent is somewhat obvious, but again, I'm not much experienced with Canadian-accented English. (I only know two or three Canadians myself.) Besides, you make a good point: even if Hogan's accent ''is'' strong enough to be considered noticable, it is no where near as different from SAE as, say, Baltar's. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 21:35, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: For me, Tigh's just got a few words that stick out. Unfortunately, the only word that comes to mind off the top of my head is one that doesn't really exist: Kobol. Everyone else says it as if it were some American saying Co-Ball (['kou.'bol]) or something (equal stress on both syllables), whereas he seems to say ['kou.bl] (with the syllabic l at the end). That's hack-IPA, there, because I've yet to take the time to figure out the way the thingie for it works, here. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:51, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Michael Hogan may be Canadian, but his accent sounds to my ears more like American Irish. The Canadian accent at any rate owes a lot to Celtic influences (that "aboot" that Canadians say is straight from Scotland/Northern Ireland), so it's possible that it's Canadian but it doesn't sounds like Canadian accents that I'm familiar with. The name "Tigh" is Gaelic for "house". He's also a drinker. So my sense is that his character has been outfitted with a Scots/Irish-American persona. For what it's worth, I'm a Scot living in the States myself, and profoundly lacking in confidence in the average American's ability to recognize accents. I'd say 95% of Americans guess that I'm Irish, when no one from the UK or Ireland would make that mistake.--Haecceity

I am Canadian, and Hogan does have a distinctly Canadian accent. It's hard to pin it down specifically, but I would guess northern or eastern Ontario: if I'm right, the Irish comments were right on, as eastern Ontario was heavily settled by Irish immigrants, though the accent has evolved a bit since then. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 22:58, 10 February 2007 (CST)
: Ah, Michael Hogan is from Kirkland Lake! That explains the accent. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 23:00, 10 February 2007 (CST)

==Texas Accent==
Y'know, Baltar's Six definitely refers to his "nucular device" in "[[Epiphanies]]". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:49, 21 January 2006 (EST)

: Actually, that's not a Texas thing. We talked about that specifically in one of my classes, since that's such a common misconception due to G. W. Bush's hailing from our state and and pronouncing it thus. Apparently that's common in many Southern dialects (as in "The South" which includes states as far north as Virginia, but not, say, New Mexico). Not that Texas is really ''excluded'' from that list, I just thought I'd point out that it's more common than many city-dwellers think (including myself before I attended the afore mentioned lecture). Personally, I say it "NEW-clee-er" only slightly more often than "NEW-cue-ler". I feel like I"m rambling on, so I won't go into what factors contribute to a dialect switching the L and the following vowel in this word. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:57, 21 January 2006 (EST)
*** PREACH! Ramble on, my friend. The mispronunciation of "NEW - clee - ar" as "NUKE - yoo - lar" is quite possibly my biggest language-related pet peeve, and it warms my heart to learn that there are those out there whose minds are open to re-education on the matter of nit-picky pronunciation issues, and furthermore, who would spread the word after learning something new? Very refreshing. To be honest, I have something of a Six/Tricia Helfer wannabe complex, and it actually makes me cringe and hurt a little inside every time I her her utter those three errant syllables, as if the miniseries kickoff infanticide-genocide double-whammy wasn't enough to alert me that my heroine was, perhaps, less than perfect... ;) I think you're all pretty fabulous for noticing *and* for the informative commentary that followed (and even managed to get a few W jibes in - excellent!). --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 14:19, 16 November 2006 (CST)
::Sounding off for a minute: the pronunciation is officially "New-clee-er", and Bush is yet again and embarrassment for pronouncing it wrong, then refusing to correct himself because he believes that he is infallible. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]]

::: See, now you're gonna start arguing right and wrong with a [[Wikipedia:Descriptive linguistics|descriptive linguist]]. We're not your [[Wikipedia:Prescription and description|prescriptive]] Highschool English teacher. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:29, 22 January 2006 (EST)

:::: PREACH! Ramble on, my friend. The mispronunciation of "NEW - clee - ar" as "NUKE - yoo - lar" is quite possibly my biggest language-related pet peeve, and it warms my heart to learn that there are those out there whose minds are open to re-education on the matter of nit-picky pronunciation issues, and furthermore, who would spread the word after learning something new? Very refreshing. To be honest, I have something of a Six/Tricia Helfer wannabe complex, and it actually makes me cringe and hurt a little inside every time I her her utter those three errant syllables, as if the miniseries kickoff infanticide-genocide double-whammy wasn't enough to alert me that my heroine was, perhaps, less than perfect... ;) I think you're all pretty fabulous for noticing *and* for the informative commentary that followed (and even managed to get a few W jibes in - excellent!). --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 14:24, 16 November 2006 (CST)

:::::It should be noted, to offset any non-germane commentary on the current president, that [[Wikipedia:Jimmy Carter|President Bush is not the only one]] who has difficulty in pronouncing "nuclear." I spent some minutes in childhood laughing at this. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:38, 16 November 2006 (CST)

==Names==
I don't think its worthwhile to discuss the "meaning" of names that were borrowed from TOS here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:17, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:Not sure that's entirely true (obviously :-) ), since in several cases Larson clearly borrowed those names from Hebrew/Greek himself, deliberately, and RDM is following in his footsteps.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 23:20, 15 March 2006 (CST)
::I think we need to edit down "Names" a lot for relevance/concision. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:58, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:::I can accept that—some days I'm good at concision, other days, not so much. I'd actually originally intended to merely provide a couple of key examples, and I kinda got carried away :-)--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:14, 16 March 2006 (CST)
:::By the way, Merv—thank you for your additions/clarifications to the names. And you may be right about the Roslin entry not really being highly relevant. I'll admit I just thought it was an amusing coincidence. And it may be more relevant than you think. The Cylons are clones, of a sort (albeit not clones of real human beings, but of 12 synthesized templates), and a Cylon-hybrid child saved Roslin's life... OK. It's a stretch :-) I can be convinced to remove the Roslin entry without much arm-twisting.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 13:21, 16 March 2006 (CST)
::::Well RDM saying he deliberatley chose Dualla and Gaeta's names knowing their meaning is from the podcast of "Final Cut"; I think the Zarek thing is from the companion book. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:08, 16 March 2006 (CST)

==French in the Colonies==
I wanted to point out that we recently realized that french is a spoken language in at least some of the Colonies. This is the first real language, other than english, that we see as present beyond accentuation. I guess you'll want proof? Here it is:

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5766/wtfk1tn.jpg

On the Very top of the chalk board are the words :

*Aller ("to go")

*Avoir ("to have")

*Etres ("to be")

Three verbs of the French Language. Just Thought I'd mention it, since as far as I remember there is no other Earth Based Language which is seen beyond certain accents. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:37 June 06 2006

:Nice catch, Sauron. Actually, the prayer chant sung by [[Elosha]] at the end of the miniseries is a Sanskrit prayer, so that's two possible languages in the Colonies outside the accented suggestions. Your discovery should be an interesting one to add. Also, we see "NaOH", which I think is the chemical name for ammonia...curious that the Colonials use our chemical naming process, too... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:22, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
::sodium hydroxide ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 13:33, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
:::It looks like it's part of an equation. X + NaOH yields -> Y. This does appear to be the first written instance of foreign language. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:36, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Ugh...stereochemistry (shudder). Oh, well the only other "french" thing we've got in BSG is when Stinger says "esprit de corps" in "Pegasus", but I think that and the LDYB II blackboard thing are just mistakes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:59, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::I don't think they're any more mistakes then talking of dogs horses and such. There's no reason why languages other than english can exist within the Colonies. Might even be a second language to them since they're teaching it to preschoolers--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:05 June 06 2006

:Very nice find, Sauron. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

== Clean-Up ==

Anything in particular, or just in general? I always look at an article's talk page when I see a delete or clean-up tag and I'm often annoyed because the tagger hasn't posted about why they tagged. I'm not looking for an exhaustive list, just maybe the direction you think the article should be headed or something. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS]) 02:28, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:Sorry, I thought I'd be able to get to this myself but I'm juggling 5 projects; I just meant it as a reminder tag for myself like 2 hours later. Basically a few new edits (the most recent ones) specifically in the "name origin" section sounded like too much speculation; I mean "well, Adama could stem from the Greek "Adamas"..." when we know that Glen Larson originated "Adama" as it sounds like "Adam". I'll get to this in a minute. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:12, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::Done. Finished cleanup. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:17, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

I accept what you say about my "speculation" on the derivation of the name "Adama" but you've pretty much removed all the others, including my observation on the the name "Helena." As it happens, I happen to think that my reference to the Emperor Constantine's mother is more apt than Helen of Troy, because (according to the admittedely apocryphal Golden Legend of Jacopo da Varagine) Helena was a ruthless proselyte who wasn't remotely concerned who or how many people she had killed in her religious and political zeal for Imperial Christianity, especially if they weren't Christians (and for her bloodthirsty piety she was later made a Saint of the Orthodox Church) Helen of Troy however was (in all probability) nothing more than an archaic-period poetic device for a ''casus belli.'' The character traits of Empress Helena seem far more appropriate to Admiral Cain's personality than do those of the adulterous Face that launched a Thousand Ships. Of course, it could be just a coincidence, but in a show loaded with mythological and historical references, without asking the writers, we'd never know for sure, and sometimes even they might not really know why they use a reference; artistic works are often full of imagery and symbolism that even the work's creator isn't fully aware of the meaning of. That's why there are art historians. - Tawakalna Q'ubt ut-Allah.

:There is a level of permissable speculation, but these other things you were saying were so obscure I don't think they are relevant, or worth including. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::I ''don't'' see the significance of most of these edit reversions of Tawakalna's contributions, Merv. The Adama speculation is no less interesting than what can be found in "The Matrix" character name studies (given that no explanations have been, or probably will be forthcoming about them). Speculative: yes. Factual or interesting: (as far as all name and word origins go): Yes. While "Helena" might have been picked out of a hat by the writers, it nonetheless has an interesting comparison to history and/or mythology. Tawakalna obviously has a good grasp of this history, so unless you have a better source, I recommend restoration of the Adama, Tigh, Cain and Agathon edits. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:05, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Well if you feel it was okay, yeah, add it back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:40, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::::My two cents: I find practically none of this speculation interesting or insightful. The Matrix comparison is a bad one, since I don't find that line of inquiry interesting, either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:47, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

Well, that's two to one against, so let's just leave it shall we? It was only an observation after all; if people really find such speculation useless to the point of being offensive, then it's hardly worth my time to carry on with something that's clearly creating hostility. - Tawakalna

:Well it wasn't offensive, and you could put it back if you want. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:26, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

== Starbuck's Tattoos ==

Kattee Sackhoff has two tattoos with a non-English language. One is the Latin "bona fiscalia" (public property). That fits nicely with the other Latin names on the show. Another is the Japanese Kanji for "choice" on the back of her neck. Maybe those should be added?
There could be a new title like "non-English languages" with that, the French noted above and also the Sanskrit in Elosha's prayer --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:28, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:Those are noted on [[Tattoo]] at present (though I thought that article might be disappearing... I could be wrong). I'm guessing that those aren't intended to be visible onscreen, given the efforts they seem to take to conceal them, but they are visible at times. That's a tough one. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:33, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::I know that they are on both Kattee's page and the tattoo one. They might try to hide them now and then, but they are clearly visible several times. The only one they really cover up is the crucifix. I found the Japanese one to be actually more visible once she switched to the ponytail. It's not just one or two times and I for one, don't try to explain them away as production errors or something --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:45, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== How many accents does D'anna Biers use? ==

Well, I just finished indulging a random little craving I had for "Final Cut," and all I heard was Kiwi, Kiwi, Kiwi. I'm not at all sure who this 'second' copy of D'anna who uses the Americanish voice is - does the sentence refer to whoever we see in the theatre watching the movie at the very end, or is there something I'm spacing on? As far as I know, there's never any mention of another copy who, as the section states, lives on Cylon-Occupied Caprica, and it never occurred to me that the D'anna at the Cylon film festival was actually an additional version. I guess it's conceivable that the movie premiere was on Caprica, but do we ever hear anyone say that? If memory serves me, the next time we see D'anna isn't until "Downloaded," and the article states that all post-DL'ed D'anna's only speak with a NZ accent. So, even if I'm a space cadet and missed the part where we learned about another D'anna on Caprica in FC, I still don't really notice a noticeable change in her accent during the few words the "other" copy says right before the episode ends.
So, if I'm just missing something obvious here and everyone else knows which "Second" D'anna is being described in this subsection, would anyone mind either "translating" for me so I can catch up with reality? Or perhaps rephrase the first few sentences so that an episode title is used as a reference point? And maybe substitute names for "her" and "she," etc.? Because I'm starting to wonder if I'm crazy like Gaius, here, and I can't figure out how to put all the pieces together on my own! And if nobody else hears another accent or remembers two D'anna models in FC, should we just delete the Kiwi section or reduce it to one sentence? --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 06:47, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:She is a different Three, she is in Caprica, as the place is labelled as "Cylon-Occupied Caprica". Also, the Three we see in Caprica in "Downloaded" is not D'Anna Biers. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:07, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Language in the Twelve Colonies

2007-06-19T11:35:20Z

Marianne: /* Aerelon Accent */ the accent baltar speaks in in "dirty hands" is distinctively a yorkshire accent :)

:''This article discusses an aspect of the [[Re-imagined Series]] version of the Twelve Colonies. For information on the [[Original Series]] version, see [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]].''

{{RDM twelve colonies series}}

English, or some language that is universally translated into it (à la [[Wikipedia:Westron|Tolkien]]) is standard. Loanwords from foreign languages ("élan", "fascist", "karma", "esprit de corps" etc.) occur with normal frequency, as do chronologically enigmatic borrowings such as the battlestar ''[[Columbia]]''. Most religious terms are explicitly shared with ancient Greek beliefs (either antecedent to or descendant from them).

==Vocabulary==

===Anachronisms===
''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'' uses many terms from modern day naval aviation, which appear somewhat anachronistic but also lend the show a flavor of realistic jargon. These include:
*[[Combat Air Patrol]]
*[[Commander Air Group]]
*Planes
:'''Adama:''' "You keep my planes flying. I need my planes to fly." ([[Litmus]])

===Ersatz===
In contrast to its [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|predecessor]], the re-imagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' employs relatively little in the way of ersatz vocabulary. It does employ a few terms outside of a normal American English vocabulary, mostly military jargon. These are mixed in haphazardly with the real-life naval aviation terms above.

*[[Dradis]] - [[Wikipedia:RADAR|Radar]]
*[[Fumarella leaf]] - [[Wikipedia:Tobacco|Tobacco]]
*[[Frak]] - A bowdlerized version of "Fuck" (c.f. "[[Wikipedia:Frell|Frell]]" (Farscape), "[[Wikipedia:Frag|Frag]]" (Babylon 5), "[[Wikipedia:Smeg|Smeg]]" (Red Dwarf))
*[[G-4]] - [[Wikipedia: C-4 (explosive)|C-4]]
*[[Krypter]] - [[Wikipedia:Mayday|Mayday]]
*[[Morpha]] - [[Wikipedia:Morphine|Morphine]]
*[[Serisone]] - [[Wikipedia:prednisone|Prednisone]]
*[[Wireless]] - [[Wikipedia:Radio|Radio]]<ref name="wireless">This usage is not entirely unknown in Earth-bound English. As a synonym for radio or radiotelegraphy, it's more common in British usage, according to [http://www.m-w.com/ Merriam-Webster]. Prior to the popularisation of television in the 1950s, it was the preferred term for radio equipment and radio broadcasts amongst the bulk of the British population. It's also the source of the prefix 'Wi' in 'WiFi' and other similar wireless data standards now common.</ref>

===Invented Terminology===
As all science fiction shows must, Battlestar Galactica has a set of vocabulary referring to technologies and other items not shared with the real world.

*[[Ambrosia]] - a bright green alcoholic beverage
*[[Carom]] - the angle above or below the XY plane of a vessel, perpendicular to [[Wikipedia:Bearing (navigation)|bearing]] (c.f. "Mark" (Star Trek))
*[[Chamalla]] - an [[Wikipedia:Entheogen|entheogen]] used by priests
*[[Red Line]]

*'''For a more complete list of acronyms and expressions see:''' [[List of terms (RDM)]]

===Enigmas===

Language in ''Battlestar Galactica'' have terms whose origins are a curiosity due to chronology or uniqueness to the real-world Earth that likely wouldn't have a parallel of the same name in the Twelve Colonies. See [[Sacred Scrolls#Earth as the true origin of the human species|an interpretation of the origin of humanity on Kobol]] that could support the derivation of these terms.

* ''[[Columbia]]'': This battlestar name comes from Christopher Columbus, a man unlikely to have existed in the Twelve Colonies. However, it also stems from the Latin word "columba" meaning "dove" together with the suffix "ia" which means "land" (geographical expression) in all languages derived from Indo-European roots (ergo, "Land of the Dove")

* ''[[Cloud Nine]]'': This American expression of bliss comes from a 1890's Earth weather reference on the highest-altitude cloud formation. The expression became popularized in 1950s radio broadcasts.

* ''[[Adriatic]]'': The name of this vessel under the influence of [[Tom Zarek]], much like ''Columbia'' appears to have originated on Earth. On Earth the Adriatic Sea is an arm of the Mediterranean Sea, located between Italy and the Balkans.

===Honorifics===
Although civilians use the honorific "Madam" or it's shortened form "ma'am", in the Colonial military all superior officers are referred to as "Sir", regardless of gender.<ref>According to RDM's [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/blogs blog] on January 20th, 2006, the series follows the system established in ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan]]'', where the term "sir" has become gender-neutral in military usage. Thus, [[Laura Roslin]] is referred to as "Madam President" or "ma'am" in a civilian context, but in her capacity as Commander-in-Chief, she is always addressed as "sir".</ref>

===Names===
Many characters have names that include one or more components that appear to be a Biblical or Classical reference. It remains an enigma whether, and to what degree, these should be thought of as translations for the audience's benefit.

Some of these apparent allusions may have no intended meaning beyond sounding good. Others are known to have been chosen for a reason, and that's noted where verifiable.

* [[William Adama|William]] and [[Lee Adama]]: "Adama" is Hebrew for "earth" in its literal meaning—ground, dirt—from which "Adam", the Biblical First Man, derives his name. It is also the name of a large city in Ethiopia. Lee's call-sign "Apollo" is of course a reference to the Greek (and apparently, Kobolan) god. Both "Adama" and "Apollo" are carry-overs from the original series, where they were chosen for their mythological significance.
* [[Richard Adar]]: "[[w:Adar|Adar]]" is a month in the Jewish lunar calendar still in use today. It coincides roughly with the Gregorian month of March. It is a carry over from the original series.
* [[Karl Agathon]]: "[[w:Agathon|Agathon]]" was an Athenian poet, a friend of Euripides and Plato.
* [[Gaius Baltar]]: "Gaius" was the ''[[w:praenomen|praenomen]]'' of the man we commonly call [[w:Julius Caesar|Julius Caesar]]. "Baltar" was made up by [[Glen A. Larson]] for the original series.
* [[Helena Cain]]: "[[w:Helena|Helena]]" is a common enough name, but is also a possible reference to Helen of Troy. "[[w:Cain|Cain]]" in the Old Testament is the first murderer, and is a carry-over from the original series.
* [[Aaron Doral]]: "[[w:Aaron|Aaron]]" is a Biblical Hebrew name, the older brother of [[w:Moses|Moses]].
* [[Anastasia Dualla]]: The Greek word ''[[w:anastasia|anastasia]]'' translates to "resurrection", and was a deliberate choice by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]. It's also a common Greek and Russian name. Dualla is the name of a region and people in sub-saharan Africa.
* [[Hera]]/Isis: "[[w:Hera|Hera]]" was a Greek goddess, the wife of Zeus. "[[w:Isis|Isis]]" an Egyptian goddess, the wife of Horus in early mythology; the wife of Osiris and mother of Horus later. This is one of the few Egyptian references in the new series.
* [[Billy Keikeya]]: "Keikeya" is one of the three queens of [[w:Ayodhya|Ayodhya]] in the Hindu epic, ''[[w:Ramayana|Ramayana]]''.
* [[Kara Thrace]]: "[[w:Thrace|Thrace]]" is a region in southeast Europe spanning Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia, Turkey, and Serbia. It was also the ancient name for the same area. The famous gladiator Spartacus was a Thracian.
* [[Saul Tigh]]: "[[w:Saul|Saul]]" is a Hebrew name (pronounced "Shaul" in Hebrew), which means "borrowed". Biblical references include both the first king of Judah and Israel, and the birth-name of Paul of Tarsus. Originally the character was named "Paul Tigh", but when it was discovered that this could not be used for legal reasons, it was shifted to "''S''aul Tigh", a reverse of the name switch that Saul of Tarsus/St. Paul made. "Tigh" appears to be a reference to the historical figure [[w:Colonel Tye|Colonel Tye]], an African-American military leader who fought for the British in the [[w:American Revolutionary War|American Revolutionary War]] (the original series version of Colonel [[Tigh (TOS)|Tigh]] was of African ethnicity).
* [[Galen Tyrol]]: "[[w:Galen|Galen]]" was a famous Greek healer, the source of much Medieval medical knowledge, and was the first to argue that the mind was in the brain and not the heart; this could be construed as ironic, given that Tyrol followed his heart and maintained a relationship with Boomer even when he shouldn't have. "[[w:Tyrol|Tyrol]]" is a region that spans the border of Austria and Italy.
* [[Sharon Valerii]]: "Sharon" is a name of a geographic area in the center of Israel, although it's also a common English woman's name. The [[w:Valerius|gens Valeria]] is one of the longest-running families in the history of the [[w:Roman Empire|Roman Empire]]. Curiously, "valerii" is the masculine plural form.
* [[Tom Zarek]]: "[[w:Thomas|Thomas]]" is a deliberate biblical reference, after the doubting apostle, although strictly speaking that apostle's name was Jude the Twin, "Tau'ma" being Aramaic for "twin". It's also a common English name. Zarek is a Polish name derived from the Babylonian name Balshazzar meaning "Baal protects the king." According to the writers, they just made up the name "Zarek" because they thought it sounded "spacey".

Uncertain references:
* [[Leoben Conoy]]: "[[w:Leoben|Leoben]]" is an Austrian town where a preliminary peace in the Napoleonic wars was signed. "[[w:Conoy|Conoy]]" is a Native American tribe, also known as the Piscataway. Both are pretty obscure.
* [[Laura Roslin]]: "[[w:Roslin Institute|Roslin Institute]]" is where Dolly the Sheep was cloned. A more likely source of the name would be the Scottish village of [[wikipedia:Roslin, Midlothian|Roslin, Midlothian]], where the Roslin Institute is located.

==Accents==

Most characters speak with a [[Wikipedia:General American|Standard American]] accent, with some exceptions.

===English Accent===
Two characters speak with the [[Wikipedia:Received Pronunciation|Received Pronunciation]], ship's medic [[Layne Ishay]] and Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] of Aerelon. Although Dr. Baltar consciously suppresses his native [[Language in the Twelve Colonies#Aerelon Accent|Aerelon accent]].

===Canadian Accent===
Occassionally when Col. [[Saul Tigh]] is shouting or barking out orders, he exhibits a faint Canadian accent. [[Michael Hogan]] is a noted Canadian actor, and on the show his speech is usually indistinguishable from Standard American English, but observant fans can occassionally detect a trace of an accent.

===Puerto Rican Accent===
[[Giana]], a woman rescued from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]], speaks with a Puerto Rican accent, and inquires after the whereabouts of her husband, who she states is "stationed on Gemenon". Her place of origin is unclear, but no other characters from either Caprica, [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]], or anywhere else have shared this accent. The actress, Lymari Nadal, is from Puerto Rico ([[Miniseries]]).

===Kiwi Accent===
The reporter [[D'Anna Biers]] speaks with a Kiwi/New Zealand accent (this is actually the accent that actress [[Lucy Lawless]] speaks with when off screen, because she is from New Zealand). However, the same episode revealed that D'Anna is actually a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon]] (Number Three), and another copy of her model on Cylon-occupied Caprica does ''not'' speak with this accent, but a Standard American one, perhaps to differentiate the two characters. Subsequent appearances by Number Threes in "[[Downloaded]]" and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|Season 3]] have featured the Kiwi accent exclusively.

===Aerelon Accent===
In "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Baltar notes that Sharon Valerii speaks with a trace of an [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Aerelon|Aerelon]] accent. In the episode "[[Dirty Hands]]", Baltar displays his native Aerelon accent. It sounds somewhat raspy, and resembles a north English, Yorkshire accent. Him being from Aerelon explains how he could pick up a faint trace of it in Valerii. However, in her case, the accent appears to be entirely fictional - Canadian actress Grace Park speaks Standard American English without a foreign accent.

In "[[The Son Also Rises]]", [[Romo Lampkin]] speaks with an accent somewhat similar to Baltar's native Aerelon accent. The actor, [[Mark Sheppard]], is Irish.

(Note: The accent of the corresponding '[[Aeries]]' people in the Original Series sounds Irish, as heard in "[[The Long Patrol]]")

==Liturgy==
During the funeral service at the end of the Mini-series, Priest [[Elosha]] chants a prayer in a foreign language. It is recognizable as a common Sanskrit prayer, found in Part I, Chapter III, Verse 28 of the [http://sanatan.intnet.mu/upanishads/brihadaranyaka.htm Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad].

:{|
| '''Devanāgarī''' || '''Transliteration''' || '''Translation'''
|-
| अस्तो मा सद् गमय || asato mā sad gamaya || Lead us from Falsehood to Truth
|-
| तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय || tamaso mā jyotir gamaya || Lead us from Darkness to Light
|-
| मृत्योर् मा अमृतं गमय || mṛtyor mā amṛtaṃ gamaya || Lead us from Death to Immortality
|}

Although the lyrics are identifiable, it should be noted that the actress's performance is closer to the chanting of biblical Hebrew, and does not resemble the traditional melody.<ref>Viewers can compare Elosha's chant to the same chant found in the soundtrack of the movie,''[[Wikipedia:The Matrix Revolutions|The Matrix Revolutions]]'', by composers Don Davis and the group Juno Reactor. The final track, "Navras," (which plays during the closing credits of the motion picture) begins with this same verse; the track Neodämmerung, also from The Matrix Revolutions, also consists entirely of Sanskrit lyrics taken from the Upaniṣads, including this verse.</ref>

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