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2008-09-15T20:25:57Z

Marauder Pilot:

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==MKI Viper in S4E1==
Joe,
It took me several views before I noticed that there was one there. In S4E1: He That Believeth In Me, at about 4:30, look at the Viper behind Tyrol when he yells 'Get that showboat bird in the tubes!'. You can see that it's the older style by the square wing, instead of the more triangular ones on the newer versions. I only noticed it when my computer happened to freeze at that exact moment-I saw it, and thought 'Hey, that's the MKI from the miniseries!'
That's the only other time I've ever seen it, I never shows up in the battle, it just looks like another cool little reference to the original series.

== Help me Joe B Kenobi, you're my only hope :D ==

Joe,

Firstly i'd like to congratulate you on a top notch job on Battlestar wiki. It never dissapoints and it looks super slick. stupidly enough, i've left it until very recently to actually register, as opposed to just visiting all the time. I'd like to thank you for taking time to read this also and I hope I have not wasted your time by the end of the post.

Basically, I need you help. I am re-creating the BSG seal that sits nicely above the CiC door. I am making it out of wood and all the pieces you see on it are all individually shaped, sprayed, and then assembled. creating the pieces, eg. the caprican crest in the centre are not hard to make. the proplem is the colours used for the paint. I cannot get an accurate reading from a picture of the real thing and most other pictures have a light shining down on it and distorts the colour.

would you, or any of your colleagues know where I could find out the colour chart? it would be greatly appreciated. I am creating it for use in my own home. something to spruce the place up a bit.

Thanks again for taking time out and once again, I hope I did not waste your time as I realise this might a very unorthodox post.

Sincerely

Nick "Joker" Lawless
Galway
Ireland

: Joker, I've replied to you on the Battlestar Forum, and it's certainly ''not'' a waste of my time. Basically, I can probably snag a color chart from the department crew when I'm in Vancouver for the research and cataloging we're doing for the [http://www.battlestarprops.com Battlestar Galactica Props & Costumes Auction]. I can't tell you when exactly I'll be able to get that information to you, but we do plan on interviewing people from the show for the Battlestar Props website, and we do have access to the crew up there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== Razor script ==

I sent you an e-mail before I saw you say that you preferred being contacted here.

It mentioned in the Helena Cain sources that you read the script for Razor. Where'd you read it? -- [[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 21:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

: Well, I've already e-mailed you back. :D (I've readded your comments here, since people may have the same question you do... :-) )

: However, for people who may have the same question on their minds... I am the research assistant for PropWorx's Battlestar Galactica auction, and as such I have access to the production materials (scripts, reference photos, art, etc.) for the show to aid in research. I can't make copies of the scripts available online, since the WGA and the production company would have my head, and will never give me permission to do so. Hence my "on this date, Joe read that this character comes from this place..." notes in the sources pages. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

== Protecting the Ranks Page ==

I read your comment and wanted to ask if you even looked at the reasoning behind my changes. I'm glad to know somebody is here who actually has reliable information because admittedly a lot of what I've got is based on speculation. However as I commented to Serenity, I think it unfair that he constantly reverses all my changes without even looking at them (this isn't the only page I've battled with him over) and I feel like you just did the same thing. If you are going to lock it ok but at least look at the two conflicting versions and decide which parts of each should go up in the interim, because they way it is now, it's simply not fair. I believe some of my changes warrant being up there now such as my removal of ranks for which their is no support at all (Vice Admiral and Senior Chief Petty Officer) and the addition of certain people to the rank lists. I have felt from the time I joined like I couldn't do anything, any changes I made were promptly undone and I felt like if I complained I'd get booted out entirely since he is an administrator, if you want a truely open community everybody has to feel like they can participate and to tell you the truth, I have not felt that way at all. I know you don't want me to take it personally, but if you were in my position, wouldn't you?
: A couple things... I understand where you're coming from. I do see that Serenity contacted you earlier this month via your talk page, explaining his reasons why he reverted your changes when you joined. (You're fear of retribution for offering criticism or complaint is unwarranted, and something you projected upon yourself; simply put, you didn't know either way, but assumed the worst. We can't control that. Fact of the matter is that you didn't respond to him the first time.) That being said, I will ask you this: what would you have done if our roles were reversed?
: As for the issue of reviewing your edits, I did review them. you did make massive changes that were incorrect both factually and aesthetically. There actually is a "senior chief petty officer" rank, for instance, and there is logic behind there being a "vice admiral" rank (or similar, it may be called "senior admiral"), since it's been established that there's a "rear admiral". Further, there was absolutely no need for the "Razor, Part I" and "Razor, Part II" designations you've assigned, since "Razor" is one whole episode. (It has two production numbers for budgetary reasons, since they had to rebuild the sets for "Pegasus" after they'd been struck after Season 3. The production team members I've talked to considers that outing an interesting experience.) Not to mention the capitalization issues that you've added back in—it is bad form to capitalize ranks or titles, unless you're referring to a specific person when doing so, like Commander Adama or Admiral Cain.
: Further, as I noted on Serenity's talk page, I am fully cognizant of the fact that editing the contested article now would be a waste of time and resources for both parties concerned, simply because there is new information available to us that needs to be entered, information that I have access to. Once I get the opportunity to add that data from the reference materials I have, then I'll open it up again, and then both sides can make the determination on whether or not this issue was really worth all the hassle. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

== Military Ranks ==

Just a few concluding remarks I don't blame you for what you did, where I in your position I would have done the same thing. The reason I didn't respond to Serenity's first post was because until yesterday I had been unable to figure out how. As far as fear of retribution, I've never really been involved with a wiki before so I wasn't really sure what to expect and was kind of intimidated. I appreciate you're addressing my issues. Not only did it help me understand why things were happening the way they were, but it also made me feel like my input was welcome and that was all I was asking for. I am anxious to see any clarification you can offer in the weeks ahead because I find this a rather fascinating topic.

Thanks again for the clarification.

Battle of the Ionian Nebula

2008-09-15T19:35:42Z

Marauder Pilot:

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{{Battle Data
| name=Battle of the Ionian Nebula
| image= Ionian Battle 1.jpg
| description= Cylons forces ambush the mysteriously crippled Colonial Fleet
| conflict= [[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon War]]
| date=Shortly after [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial
| place= The [[Ionian nebula]]
| result= Heavy Colonial losses and Cylon withdrawal. Triggers the [[Cylon Civil War]]
| combatant1= Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]
| combatant2= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
| co1= Admiral [[William Adama]]
| co2= [[basestar command]]
| strength1= ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', associated [[Vipers]] and [[Raptors]]<br/>
| strength2=
Four [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]], approx. 200 [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] and [[Heavy Raider]]s<br>
| shiploss1= ''[[Pyxis]]'' destroyed, ''[[Space Park]]'' severely damaged, ''[[Astral Queen]]'' slightly damaged
| shiploss2= Numerous Raiders
| casualties1= 600 civilians on ''[[Pyxis]]''. 1,101 deaths on other ships<ref>The [[survivor count]] in the credits decreases by 1,700, accounting for the deaths during the teaser and for the return of [[Kara Thrace]]. The majority of the 1,101 additional deaths likely occur on the ''Space Park'', but other ships are hit as well.</ref>.
| casualties2=None
| prev=[[Battle of the Algae Planet]]
| next=[[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]]
| series=RDM
}}
Upon jumping into the Ionian system, the entire [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] suddenly loses power and becomes dead in space. As the ships drift aimlessly, four Cylon basestars jump into the nebula and begin launching Raiders. By the time power is restored to ''Galactica'' and the civilian ships, the Raiders are already inbound and the Fleet is incapable of jumping to safety before they close to firing distance.

== Events leading up to the battle ==

During the power outage [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] begin to aimlessly wander the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering the lyrics to a [[The Music|mysterious song]], having heard it in their heads for the past few days. When all four arrive in the same room and see each other they realize that they are actually Cylons themselves. When the alert is sounded, they resolve to continue serving in the roles they did when they believed they were human. Tyrol returns to the flight deck, Anders heads for his Viper and Tigh and Foster head for the [[CIC]] and return to the sides of Admiral Adama and President Roslin.

During the scramble to get the alert Vipers launched, [[Lee Adama]], now a civilian after resigning from the military just before Baltar's trial, returns to his quarters and breaks out his helmet and flight suit and joins the fight. While intercepting the incoming waves of Raiders he picks up an unknown contact on his Viper's [[DRADIS]] and breaks formation to investigate. The unknown contact is intermittent and toys with Adama until it pulls alongside him and reveals itself to be [[Kara Thrace]], alive and flying a spotless Viper Mk II. Thrace claims she has been to Earth and that she is here to lead the Fleet there ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

== Civilians under attack ==

''Galactica'''s Vipers and Raptors are able to stop the main force of the over 200 Raiders, but the Cylon reserves manage to break through the Colonial lines. Outgunned and with the civilian ships requiring time to spin up their FTL drives, Admiral Adama orders all available pilots and ships out there, including inexperienced [[nugget|nuggets]] like Samuel Anders and [[Diana Seelix]] as well as an old MKI Viper from the old museum.

The battle floods over the drifting Fleet, Vipers and Raiders dogfighting among the ships while ''Galactica'' puts up anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) and fires her primary batteries at the Raiders and basestars. A damaged Raider collides with the ''[[Pyxis]]'', destroying the liner and the 600 people aboard. The Cylon basestars launch a barrage of over 50 missiles, half of them targeting the civilian ships. Adama orders all Vipers and point defense batteries to concentrate on protecting the civilians, since ''Galactica'' can withstand the damage. Two missiles hit the ''[[Space Park]]'', resulting in severe damage to its ring section and many causalities, and another missile strikes the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', breaching the forward section of her hull. A missile bound for ''[[Colonial One]]'' is successfully intercepted by Seelix.

When Anders maneuvers behind a Raider chasing Seelix, it abruptly turns around, scans him with its red "eye", and breaks off. To the amazement of the Colonials, the other Raiders return to their basestars and the Cylons spin up their FTL drives to jump away. Adama seizes this opportunity and orders the fleet to withdraw ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

== Aftermath ==

The Cylons now suspect that the [[Final Five]] reside within the human fleet. Because the Raiders broke off the attack on their own volition, one group of Cylons led by [[Number One]] (Cavil) has them lobotomized to remove part of their free will. In retaliation, another group led by a [[Natalie|Six]] that advocates a search for the Five, removes the [[Telencephalic inhibitor|devices]] that enslave the Centurions, turning them on Number One's faction ([[Six of One]]). This marks the beginning of the [[Cylon Civil War]].

== Notes ==

*A shot of the Fleet in space after the battle shows that ''Galactica'' has lost one of her dorsal [[Battery|batteries]]. Prior to the baseships firing the missiles, all four forward dorsal batteries are seen in action. After Anders's Viper launched, the impact of the missiles aimed at ''Galactica'' are shown, specifically one particular explosion emanating from the dorsal battery section, causing everyone in CIC to brace for impact.

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Viper (TOS)

2008-09-15T19:34:00Z

Marauder Pilot:

:''This article discusses the Viper fighter seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. For information on the Vipers used in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]], see [[Viper (RDM)]]. Note: for the single appearance of an [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] Viper in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]], see the bottom of this article.''

{{Ship Data
| image= Classic Viper side view.jpg
| title= Viper
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= No
| propol= three sublight aft-mounted engines
| crew= 1 pilot
| role= Space superiority fighter
| weapons= 2 forward-firing laser-torpedo guns
| length= (approx) {{Meters2Feet|8.7}}
| width= (approx) {{Meters2Feet|3.8}}
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The Colonial '''Viper''' is the primary space superiority fighter and attack craft deployed by the [[Colonial Fleet (TOS)|Colonial military]]. Capable of both atmospheric and long-range spacial flight, the Viper is a single-pilot craft with two-forward mounted laser-torpedo guns as standard.

The Viper is capable of rapid acceleration in the form of a "turbo boost" feature, which results in greater fuel usage ([[The Living Legend, Part I]]). Vipers are also able to abruptly stop forward acceleration by using their reverse thrusters and braking flaps ([[Saga of a Star World]]).<ref>Captain [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] describes to Lieutenant [[Zac]] on how to allow the Cylons to overshoot them, so they can dispatch the pursuing [[Raider (TOS)|Raiders]].
: '''Apollo''': When I hit three, you hit your reverse thrusters and maximum braking flaps.</ref>

Vipers are equipped with an onboard computer which contains a [[warbook]], an electronic reference of ships which, in conjunction with scanners, can give the pilot information on a ship ([[Saga of a Star World]]) and identify whether or not there are life forms onboard the said ship ([[The Living Legend, Part I]]).

In addition, Vipers' computer is capable of recording messages, which can be played back by Warriors or other persons who happen across an unoccupied Viper ([[Experiment in Terra]]).

== Variants and Modifications==

* A [[Starchaser|"Recon Viper" variant]] has been developed, possessing greater speed and manueverability capabilities than a typical Viper, but lacking any armament due to the removal of the laser pumps. It also possesses an [[CORA|advanced voice interface]]. [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]] is the only [[warrior]] known to have flown this variant ([[The Long Patrol]]).
* On missions where Vipers must endure extreme heat or other environments that could endanger the pilot, specially designed shielding can be applied to the cockpit canopy. This extra layer of protection was used in the [[Straits of Madagon| Madagon star cluster]] and prevented pilots from being hurt by the incredible heat and light in the region ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

==Re-imagined Series Crossover==
This Viper model is briefly seen in the [[Galactica Museum]] exhibition in the [[Miniseries]]. However, since the Original Series Viper uses weaponry and features not seen in the Re-imagined Series, its appearance in the museum may be more an homage to the Original Series itself than to suggest that these specific Vipers (and their technical abilities) existed in the Re-imagined continuity, although the same ship is shown being prepared for launch during the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], when Admiral Adama orders every available ship and pilot into the fight. However, the Original Series [[Raider (TOS)|Raider]], [[Basestar (TOS)|basestar]] and [[landram]] appear in the Re-imagined Series with updated [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series|weaponry]].

==Related images==

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Image:ViperCanopy.jpg|A Viper with specially fitted heat shield as it is launched from [[Galactica (TOS)| ''Galactica'']] in "[[Saga of a Star World]]".
Image:ViperScan.jpg|A scan of a Viper, by another Viper, from "[[The Living Legend, Part I]]".
Image:Vipertos.jpg|A lone Original Series-style Viper on display next to [[Viper Mark II]]s in the [[Miniseries]].
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== Notes ==

* In ''[[Galactica 1980]]'', some Vipers are outfitted with stealth technologies that render the Viper craft invisible to the eye ([[Galactica Discovers Earth, Part I]]).
* A [[Viper (1980)|two-seater version]] of the Viper is seen throughout ''Galactica 1980''. However, despite its appearances in this series, this variant may be hinted at as early on as "[[Saga of a Star World]]", when [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] is flown to [[Caprica (TOS)|Caprica]] in [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]]'s Viper after the destruction of the Colonies. However, this variant is never explicitly seen during the Original Series' run.
* There is a scale difference between the mock-up/model kit Viper and the actual on screen SFX Viper as can be seen in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/Almael/Viper-mono_sfx2.gif this SFX-mockup overlap].

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