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Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II/Archive2

2006-03-11T05:29:54Z

Lone Odessan:

== The Cliffhanger ==

I'm betting that Baltar's little gift to the [[Demand Peace]] movement makes its way to ''Pegasus'' and is about to destroy or mortally damage the battlestar in this season closer. Mortally damaging it makes more sense to allow ''Galactica'' (and the show) to gather some of the new resources that ''Pegasus'' brought before it has to be removed from the picture. Perhaps, in coordination with a probable Cylon attack, ''Pegasus'' may end up doing a "[[The Living Legend, Part II|Commander Cain charge]]" at the start of Season 3. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 13 February 2006 (EST)

:Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quite drinking...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:02, 13 February 2006 (EST)

::Is it just me, or does the second season seem to be bouncing from cliffhanger to cliffhanger, with the in-between episodes being nothing but filler? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:08, 13 February 2006 (EST)

:::It isn't just you... Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:22, 13 February 2006 (EST)

::::I don't mind the "filler" episodes. I believe you need them to set up future stories down the road. I believe PEGASUS will stick around for one or two episodes next year(Gives them time to strip her down)....Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:36, 15 February 2006 (EST)

There's no cliffhanger, really. The Cylons win, humanity is occupied and the ships of the fleet are essentially empty with everyone down on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. The show is completely different from here on out. Cloud Nine is gone (which from a production standpoint makes sense--- no need for a planet-like ship when they have an actual planet) and all the leads but Lee, Adama and possibly Sharon are on the planet, hoping not to be killed by their new Cylon overlords. It's awesome. Oh, girlBilly seems to be sticking around as a character as well. [[User:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]]

:You have no idea; that's just fanfic. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)

::Could one or the other of you please explain what that last enormous edit-and-reversion was all about? Numbertwelve, have you seen the episode in question? Are you passing on reports from other sources, and if so, can you identify them? Merv, are you familiar with a fanfic that resembles his description? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:::Well, it sounds like he was just posting his own ''guesses/fanfic ideas'' without any basis on actual material, so I cleaned it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)
::::I believe that the info is coming from [http://greycoupon.livejournal.com/3808.html BIG SPOILERS]. Don't know the validity of it though.
:::::Based on the what I've read of the Part I summary, I'd say that the information was actually accurate. That said, I'm not sure this site really wants to post detailed episode summaries before the episode has actually aired anywhere, especially when we have no way of confirming the source.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:35, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:::::: In all likelihood, numbertwelve's comments stem from [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season2b.html here]. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 03:24, 8 March 2006 (CST)

::::::: Judging by that picture, I think those spoilers might be right, though I seriously hope they are dead wrong, anyone else hope this? --[[User:LeobenConoy|LeobenConoy]] 02:30, 10 March 2006 (TST)

:::::::: It certainly would be a heck of a sharp turn for the series, but, y'know, I'm OK with that. RDM really kinda needs to keep making sharp turns to keep the series from falling too much into the established track of the Original Series, for one thing. For another thing, I like surprises :-) I don't want this story to become too predictable. Actually, when I look back over the two seasons to date, RDM et alia have not allowed us to settle into anything like a routine for more than a few episodes before they kick over the tables again. That's a good thing. That said, if the spoilers are in fact correct...it's going to be a long six months 'til we find out how the situation resolves itself...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:12, 9 March 2006 (CST)

== The Peace Proposal ==

I haven't actually seen "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", yet (I don't have cable, so I'm basically watching via DVD as time allows), but reading the summary, I see no mention of the Cylon peace proposal in the story as aired. It looks as though the preliminary data for the episodes was somewhat misleading, and that the peace proposal won't come until Part II. The Part II article, however, still reflects the old information. Should this be changed now? Or just wait for Friday's airing and the full summary?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:32, 4 March 2006 (CST)

== Speechless ==
Holy crap they turned everything on its head. I can't think of a better way of stating the obvious. ONE YEAR LATER!?!?!? Crap. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 22:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:Yep...and we'll have to wait about that frakkin' long to find out WTF happens next...:)
[[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 22:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:Well, look at it this way - if they ever want to bring [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] back due to chronology issues, they now have an excuse. Actually, I'm surprised they didn't have the character (if not the actor) doing a cameo in the schooltent.--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::I personally was asking, "Where's the kicker?" Well, nothing like a second Cylon occupation to do that for you. As for October...hell, they haven't even started shooting the season yet. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 22:32, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:::You really have to find it pretty ironic that Baltar's fraked over the Colonies again. He gives Gina the bomb, fraks her, she blows up Cloud 9 (and Gods know how many ships she took with her in that blast) and Baltar forces everyone to colonize the plantet... and the Cylons find it because of the nuclear blast. How's that for a kicker? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:36, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:::Katee Sackhoff has to grow out her hair. She can't keep using that wig all season. Well, and the writers haven't figured out what the hell they're going to do now :P [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:06, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::::I'm not sure when this episode was filmed, but she still has a month to go before they start shooting Season 3, according to SciFi. I'm sure Moore and friends have plenty of ideas to go with. The questions posted for this episode should give some possible ideas, if they even read this thing. :P --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)

== Well Then... ==

Wasn't that something. I glanced over the rumors prior, but it has to be seen to get the real effect. That, and I was hoping they were dead wrong. --[[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:16, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:I thought generally the execution of these spoilers was much better than my expections. --[[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 00:10, 11 March 2006 (EST)

== "Rampant speculation" re Starbuck/Conoy connection ==

I don't think that the ''analysis'' section is the place for something with little backing... at least currently.

: ''Although this is rampant speculation, given the warped obsession/relationship that Leoben has with Starbuck, is it possible that Starbuck's stolen egg cells from "[[The Farm]]" were fertilized with genetic material from the Leoben model to create a new Hybrid? The Cylons do seem to think she's "special".''

Anyone agree or disagree? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)

: To expand my point further, ''Conoy'' believed that Starbuck was special. Just because Conoy is a Cylon doesn't mean the ''Cylons'' share his belief. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)

No arguements here. I've always been fuzzy on the exact parameters of the "analysis" section, however, this thought occurred to me when I remembered that A) They said that Starbuck's missing ovaries would be mentioned before the end of the season, B) It's going to be a major plot point in season 3.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:03, 10 March 2006 (CST)

: Well, in keeping with the original inspiration for the Wiki -- The Lurker's Guide to B5 -- the analysis section has always analyzed the episode. For instance, what the episode had to say, how that fit in to the grand tapestry, how that fit into real life, and things of that nature. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:12, 10 March 2006 (CST)

::Long live the Lurkers guide! Best guide ever. There's also a B5 wiki being created (see my user page for the link). --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:25, 10 March 2006 (CST)

== DubyaBaltar ==

I'd never put this in the actual wiki article, but does it strike anyone else who many jabs they're getting it at another ridiculously incompetent president? "I don't have to listen to the facts...I'm the president". etc. ''Remember, Remember the Fifth of November''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:08, 10 March 2006 (CST)
: Though I don't think GWB has harems. Mr. Nice Gaius seems to have him beat there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:11, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:I thought it was a reference to Roslin and Adar's statements about "the nice thing about being President..." --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 23:13, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::Well, Adar said that first. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:::Plus, Baltar was good friends with Adar prior to the attack. The womanizing was just good 'ol self-serving Baltar. And, when was Gaius ever nice? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:28, 10 March 2006 (CST)

== Does anyone remember... ==

... that crack Cottle made to Cally regarding women talking * (Actually, the good Doctor said "Complain") even when their jaws are wired shut? If so, we should note it under the dialogue section and perhaps on Cottle's page (he seems to have a penchant for sexist dialogue). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:18, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:You know, Joe, I don't know why you point out "Cottle made a sexist remark here" the times that he does (Downloaded, etc.) I mean that's the type of character he is. I mean, we wouldn't list off "well, Archie Bunker did this sexist thing" in an ''All in the Family'' episode guide. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::Good point. Still, since it is a part of his personality, I believe it should be noted appropriately. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:29, 10 March 2006 (CST)

==Source?==

"Tyrol's union speech alludes to Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964."-->Can I get confirmation on that?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Cloud 9

2006-03-11T05:20:26Z

Lone Odessan: changed Cloud 9 tenses to past.....

[[Image:Bsg-c9-2.jpg|thumb|Cloud Nine (credit: Sci-Fi Channel)]]

'''''Cloud 9''''' was a massive, [[FTL|jump-capable]] luxury liner within [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]. Extensively damaged during the [[Cylon Attack]], she had to be evacuated while repairs were made ([[Colonial Day]]). Following her repairs, she returned to full service within the Fleet, and provided a venue for the first sitting of the interim [[Quorum of Twelve]] convened by [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] ([[Colonial Day]]).

The ship was unique in that as well as traditional living and working space on board, ''Cloud 9'' incoporated a huge pressurised biome that provided a realistic simulation of a planetary surface, including gardens, buildings, trees - even an artificial sky.

After her flight from captivity in ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' brig, President Roslin, along with [[Lee Adama|Captain Lee Adama]] and priestess [[Elosha]], fled in a [[Raptor]] to ''Cloud 9'' to hide from [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] and [[William Adama|Commander Adama]]. The group is taken in by [[Tom Zarek]], who met with them onboard ''Cloud 9''. ''Cloud 9's'' high volume of intraship traffic made it virtually impossible for ''Galactica'' to track their final hiding place ([[Resistance]]).

''Cloud 9'' also had a swimming area. Commander Adama's orders shore leave for Colonel Tigh, advising him to take a swim and relax from his unexpected command duties when Adama was injured. Colonel Tigh never leaves ''Galactica'' to enjoy it as his Raptor was [[Joe Palladino|sabotaged]] in an assassination attempt ([[Final Cut]]).

Many of ''Cloud 9's'' accommodations appeared more like hotel rooms than bunks or seats. A passenger, [[Shevon]], lived in one such room, where Captain Adama visited her for intimate moments. Shevon is removed from her room by [[Phelan]]'s thugs, and Captain Adama later finds the killer of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] in the room, dead of a gunshot to the head ([[Black Market]]). The Cylon sympathizer/terrorist group "[[Demand Peace]]" also operated out of a suite located onboard ''Cloud 9'' ([[Epiphanies]]).

''Cloud 9'' and several smaller ships were destroyed by [[Gina]] just after the presidential election using a nuclear device that was given to her by [[Gaius Baltar]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Cloud 9 Ballroom.jpg|''Cloud 9'' - Ballroom  
Image:Cloud 9 - Gardens.jpg|''Cloud 9'' -- Garden  
Image:Cloud 9 - Horizon.jpg|The "horizon" of ''Cloud 9''  
</gallery>

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Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad

2005-10-23T23:36:40Z

Lone Odessan: voting

== Citation Consistency ==

"Zoic" is a name that sounds like what Shaggy from "Scooby Doo" would make when surprised, I think.

Despite being the special effects company for the series, I wonder how much of their information still holds weight. I noticed that Peter gave neither negative or positive weight to this source. As we go through pages, two issues are going to crop up, of which one may need to move to the Standards page.

* Consistent and useful '''visual''' separation and identification of TOS and RDM information and characters. I find the mingling of TOS and RDM data in the same article confusing and lengthens an article unnecessarily. More germane to this project, it will also keep RDM and TOS stats from cohabitating and confusing the citation process.
* We need to cite official sources for TOS information on the project page, keeping in mind this wiki is for both series. There are surely more TOS fan sites than RDM, and things like games, fan fiction and the like over the years have surely diluted what is official and not.
* The level of detail or a standard of detail on technical pages needs some kind of governor. At which point is something being reasonable in description (such as ''Galactica's'' rail guns) or is embellishment or technobabble that just gives fan service (like "''Galactica'' uses a BFG-3244 Rail Gun with Strapless Attachment")? I'd be more strict on this info than any other since tech is tech and such "facts" should not be different from what is seen on screen.

I think color coding article titles to identify TOS and RDM pages (rather than using "TOS" and "RDM") may be better on the eye. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:05, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

:I intended Zoic to fall under point 3, for "crew" - ie, of roughly the same reliability as that interview where Lorena Gale talked about how Elosha used to do "a lot of drugs". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:21, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

::I believe the actual word is spelled thus: ZOIKS! Caps are not optional. ;) --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:21, 10 October 2005 (EDT)

==Request for name change==

I am uncomfortable with the use of the term "Jihad". I would rather we use the term "Crusade", or perhaps "Inquisition"; I think "Inquisition" is best (i.e. Spanish Inquisition [no one suspects the Inquisition!] b/c it's rooting out unsourced information). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13 October, 2005

:Striving for accuracy certainly has better overtones than any use of "crusade", and "inquisition" has draconian connotations. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:11, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:: I, uh, don't get Peter's post. Does that means he agrees or doesn't? Anyway, I'm fine with Jihad because it implies a religeous devotion and a fanaticism that I think could be, sarcastically, applied to the purpose of this project. However, I'm also fine with Inquisition because it implies a religeous devotion and a fanaticism that I think... You can see where I'm going with this, no? Also, the Spanish Inquisition sketch is my favorite Monty Python sketch in the history of Monty Python's being viewed by me. And I'd love for my comments on changing citation errors (if I ever see any, because I'm bad at seeing them) to be "Our chief weapon is Fear. Fear and surprise. Our TWO chief weapons are fear, surprise and a fanatical devotion to citation. Ah. Our THREE chief weapons are: Fear, surprise, a--" You get the idea.

:: I find it interesting that the name and the two proposed substitutes are all tied to religeon? We could have a Citation Rampage. Or a Citation Mosh Pit. Heh. Maybe we should be the Ministry of Citation. I always liked ministries. We would then address each other as "Minister Day" and "Minister Farago", etc. Or maybe one of you can come up with a more [[Wikipedia:Nineteen Eighty-Four|Orwellian]] name. That would be cool. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:52, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::To clarify: I like Citation Jihad. I came up with it, after all... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:08, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: "Jihad", in this context, does indeed present - shall we say - disconcerting ramifications for those of us who are not Christian. While humurous to most of us (I hate to splash cold water) the casual use of such a revered term amongst a potential audience of Islamic adherrants is a wee bit less than delicate... especially in light of the suspicion many perfectly native or naturalized citizens of Mid-Eastern descent faced immediately subsequent to 9/11... and the suspicion they currently face every time they reenter the U.S.
:::: While rather fascinating that we should find ourselves encountering a problem delt with in more artfull ways in our favorite television program, it is nevertheless significant (dare I say important) that we handle this question of naming with a sense of diplomacy. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:12, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
:::::I was unsettled--albeit briefly--with the name initially, but I'm not into political correctness. "Jihad" is correct in definition. Currently, however, some take the word with the same emotional charge as Muslims would hear "Crusade," since, essentially in the context of past conflicts between Christians and Muslins at war, both signify a religious purge. In any case, the term sites a religious note that might sour some.

:::::But before you knock Peter for his choice, consider our subject matter: "Battlestar Galactica" is a morality play in the tradition of the original Star Trek series, which addresses in allegory the Muslim/Judeo-Christian issue present through current terrorism against the West as well as the Israel/Palestine conflict by using the Humano-Cylon/Human and God/Lords of Kobol issue. If nothing else, the use of the term "Jihad" in its purest form is actually appropriate and striking so for this Wiki. Don't let the Al Qaeda terrorists or other extremists make you afraid of a word when in fact, it is THEY that slur it from its true meaning. Peter has always shown a concise use of words that has little to no ambiguity--I should know since he frequently slices my edits to their essence when I use too many words. I'll back up Peter on this one. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:43, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::Taking these points into account, I would greatly prefer "Inquisition" over "Jihad" or "Crusade". -- Ricimer, October 14, 2005

:::::::Good point. And very nicely said I might add. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 13:10, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::: I hope you don't mind, Watcher, I indented your previous post one more. Anyway, I like Johad fine. I actually find it kind of refreshing to use it for something that's ''not'' violent. I'm not Muslim, so I can't speak to that. However, as an American I don't feel, I dunno, threatened by the name, or anything. When I first saw it, it gave me pause, but that pause was me thinking, "Whew. Someone's probably gonna throw a fit about that one." --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:13, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::::Well I'm sorry but I do and I have. What's the consensus on this? --Ricimer, October 13, 2005

::::::::::Not a problem Day. I think there might have been an unintentional slip during one of the edits (notice the time/date stamps) but I seem to constantly screw this detail up anyway. Feel free. I may read as insufferably serious but I assure you that's not the case. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 16:50, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::::::: Good deal, Watcher. Anyway... I was about to make a post about not wanting anyone to feel threatened by this project, but I find I have to revise that. I don't want ''members'' of the project to feel threatened by the name. I hope people who don't cite sources are scared witless of us. ;) Anyway, as much as I like using Jihad, I tend to like to not offend reasonable people, so I'd be okay with a change, I guess. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:21, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::::::: A note on nesting - if Watcher was replying to Spencerian, not Ricimer, it should be indented to the level of Spencerian's comment + 1, not Ricimer's + 1. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:42, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::::::::: Ah. Good to know. I shall endeavour to remember this. --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:47, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

===Votes===
We need to come to some kind of consensus, I think. So, first, is to change or not change. If we decide to change, then we can quibble over what to change to. Place your name under the appropriate heading.

====No Change====
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:14, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# --Not afraid of words when used properly. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:56, 23 October 2005 (EDT)

====Change====
# Reluctantly --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 06:30, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# Wholeheartedly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 09:46, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# Normally I don't care about words, but I have to admit, that in today's world, some words have become too negatively charged. --[[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 14:30, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# Wholeheartedly --[[User:Lone Odessan|Lone Odessan]] 19:36, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
== BSG: The Magazine ==

I saw [http://www.titanmagazines.com/titanmag/app;jsessionid=57DACB1E3C47F38A718593747C30F921?service=direct/1/HomeUS/$NavigationBar.$DirectLink$2&sp=S8 this] on the news stand at Fry's and thought it was worth picking up an issue to see what was in it. I've so far read a whole of two pages, so I don't know much about it, except that it has an article on Pyramid that was interesting. Does anyone else know anything about this magazine? How reliable is it? I'm going to edit the Pyramid article with some things that are revealed about the rules. How should I cite this, exactly? I'm gonna go with page numbers and title for now. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:24, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
:Given that we haven't had much about the RDM show in print, I'd carefully use it to compare to the canonical stuff we have. If things are consistent, I'd say it's a reliable source since I strongly suspect that USA/Universal may have to sign off on its content. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:58, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
::I say we put it on level 4, (sci-fi and skyone websites), provisionally. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:41, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::: Correction. The title is ''Battlestar Galactica, the Official Magazine'' even thought the words are not in that order on the cover. And, I must say, the thing was really clumsily edited. There are missing periods, 'and' for 'a', 'their' for 'they're', tense mixing, Obvious typos. Yech. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:04, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

==Citation Format==
Also, we should choose a citation format and stick with it. Opinions? MLA, APA, Chicago? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:41, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
:Damn it, Peter. I knew you were a student. You're going to force me to dig up a book or stand with the kids at the college bookstore, aren't you? :) [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:50, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
:: Are you kidding? I just graduated and never once bought a book on citation. All that can be [http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/legacylib/mlahcc.html found] [http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/workshop/citmla.htm on] [[Wikipedia:APA style|the]] [http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/research/r_mla.html net]. I've only ever used MLA style before, however, I'd be willing, given the nature of web pages, to use something that just had footnotes with numbering. There was some tool Wikipedia has for this that I read about, but I don't remember much about it except that it seemed cool. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:06, 14 October 2005 (EDT)
:::I would find MLA with numbered footnotes ideal. For "personal communication", we would do well to follow [[User:MASON|MASON]]'s example of including them in subpages, such as [[Mercury class battlestar/Sources]] (That should be linked to from the main article text, however.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:16, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: Joe also mentioned possibly that we should scan things. What kinds of things? And, I assume those should go on a Sources page, too, neh? I think for whatever's on the sources page, we could do the foot note like this: (3) Personal communication (''or whatever relevant info''). See ''link to Sources page''. I also think Sources pages should have a link back. WHat do y'all think? --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:25, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::I Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:14, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::By scans, I mean scans of publication articles and so forth. Scans should not be of the whole article but a snippet of the applicable text that was cited (enough to qualify as fair use). Also, as for linking the sources subpage, I created a template, {{tl|source}} that can be placed next to the applicable information. The template automatically links to the Source subpage. (Format: Article title/Sources.) Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:16, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::: How does that work, then, Joe? The syntax, I mean? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:29, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

==Character Ages==
Character ages across the site appear to be based on the age of the actors who play them. This would normally be reasonable, but the Timeline of BSG does not match the progress of time in the real world - the characters have aged at most three and a half months in the same time that their actors have aged two years. Since we can't infer ages more accurately than a casual visitor could be glancing at a character photograph, I would rather this information simply not be included. Opinions? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:45, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

: I concur. --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:57, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

==Railguns==
From the ''Official Magazine'' issue #1, p. 60: "Every Battlestar class warship has 24 primary railgun turrets as well as over 500 point defense turrets at its disposal." I don't have access to a scanner to prove that it says that, so you'll have to take my word on it. I'm not saying this is indisputable proof, but that it's maybe more than fanon, anyway. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:46, 18 October 2005 (EDT)
:The magazine is wrong. Based on on-screen evidence, the large turrets on ''Galactica'' cannot be [[railgun]]s unless we drastically redefine the very idea. This certainly trumps throwaway technobabble in a fan magazine. IMO, the only thing that should give us pause is if a character on the show specifically refers to them as railguns, which hasn't happened yet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:51, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Okay. I'll buy that. I bet that what's actually going on here is that someone somewhere who makes these desicions doesn't, actually, know what the heck they're talking about. I mean... What're we to do if someone busts out a ray gun and says, "This shoots a red lazer!" and then, *zap*, it's green? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:27, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

::: Oops. Ya did it now. Let's just hope TNS' writers don't become overwhelmed by the details and go the way of Space 1999. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:24, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

User:Lone Odessan

2005-10-23T23:30:12Z

Lone Odessan:

Welcome to West Texas!

Pegasus (episode)

2005-09-24T16:05:10Z

Lone Odessan:

: ''For information related the [[battlestar]] ''Pegasus'' itself, see ''[[Pegasus]]''.''

: ''Information provided by [http://gateworld.net/galactica/news/2005/06/galacticadiscoverssistersh.shtml GateWorld.net].''

== Overview ==
: ''Tensions run high when the ''Pegasus'', a battlestar more advanced than the ''[[Galactica]]'', is found -- only to have Admiral [[Nelena Cain]] usurp command of the fleet and foist her demands on those under her new command.''

== Summary ==
*The ''Pegasus'', a [[Mercury-class]] [[battlestar]], has joined the fleet. She survived the attack by [[blind-jump]]ing as the [[Cylon]]s attacked the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]].
* A Cylon fleet, comprised of two [[basestar]]s, support ships and a large mothership of unknown purpose have been trailing the fleet -- and detected by Cain and the ''Pegasus''.
* Upon assuming command of the fleet, Cain begins moving crew members around, transferring [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] to the ''Pegasus''.
* Tyrol welcomes his civilian counterpart on ''Pegasus''. [[Laird]] is an aeronautical engineer-turned Deck Chief that designed the old engines in the [[Blackbird]], and who's both appalled and impressed by Tyrol's new stealth fighter.
* Lee is essentially busted down to [[Raptor]] pilot in a recon mission to the Cylon fleet. But he shows his defiant side by asking Kara to commandeer the Blackbird to take some better recon photos of the fleet without being noticed by Colonial ''or'' Cylon forces.
* [[Helo]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] discover that [[Gina]], the Cylon prisoner aboard the ''Pegasus'', was raped by the crew as a form of torture. They rush to ''Galactica'''s brig, where a ''Pegasus'' lieutenant, [[Thorne]], is about to rape Sharon. Tyrol throws Thorne against a bulkhead, killing him. The pair are arrested for courts-martial.
*Commander Adama is angered to hear that Admiral Cain is going to hold the court-martial on ''Pegasus'', not ''Galactica'' where the offense occurred. Cain assures Adama that they will be tried by jury.
*Admiral Cain, however, does not give the pair a court martial hearing or trial by jury, instead rapidly deciding the verdict by herself and ordering Helo and Tyrol to be executed.
*Upon discovering what Admiral Cain has done, Commander Adama orders a Raptor to fly out with an armed Marine boarding party and launches ''Galactica's'' Vipers against ''Pegasus'', demanding that Admiral Cain release [[Helo]] and [[Galen Tyrol]].
*Admiral Cain refuses, and balks at the thought of an "independent tribunal" to settle the dispute because the [[Litmus|last time Galactica held one]] Commander Adama dissolved the tribunal when he "didn't like the verdict". Adama refuses to back down and insists that he will get his men back.
*Admiral Cain launches ''Pegasus''' Vipers against the incoming Vipers from ''Galactica''. They close in on each other as the episode ends.

== Questions ==

*Will Starbuck and her [[Blackbird]] stealth fighter play a role in the armed standoff between ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica''?
**Although we won't know that until [[Resurrection Ship|next episode]], that seems initially unlikely, as the Blackbird is being used for the Recon mission against the Cylon "Unknown". The episode seemed to suggest that both were occurring at the same time.
*Where did the ''Pegasus'' crew get fresh fruit?
**Dualla explains in "[[Final Cut]]" that their ships have very effective refrigeration units to keep food fresh for long duration duty tours, etc.
*In the absence of Apollo and Starbuck, who is leading Galactica's fighters against Pegasus? [[George Birch]]? [[Symes]]?
**As for the unknown ship in the Cylon fleet, what IS its function? Is it, as Adama speculates, a Raider
factory? Could it be a HumanoCylon creation facility? The next episodes' title "Resurrection Ship" could
foreshadow that possibility, as when HumanoCylons "die" they're downloaded into new bodies, and these new bodies are stockpiled where?

== Analysis ==
*[[Cally]]'s charged reaction to the drunken Pegasus crewmen ''bragging'' about raping Number Six/Gina repeatedly is probably due to herself being the survivor of an attempted rape, in "[[Bastille Day]]".

== Notes ==

*Population count is 49,605, a dramatic increase of 1,752 since the 47,853 count in [[Flight of the Phoenix]], undoubtedly to account for the addition of Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' and her crew to the Colonial fleet.
**Cain notes that Pegasus lost 700 crew in the openning attack, thus we may speculate that at the time of the attack her crew totalled to about 2,450.
**During the episode, [[Cain, Nelena|Admiral Cain]] mentioned that due to [[Gina]]'s actions, 800 of her crew were lost. One possibility is that part of the 800 included the 700 lost during the initial attack. That being the case, the revised total number is 2,550. If the 800 crew lost was due to a separate incident, then the starting Pegasus numbers maybe be 3,250.
**This is substantially smaller than [[Galactica]]'s crew, possibly explained by many of Cain's crew being on leave at the time of the attack. Galactica, although soon to be decomissioned, was still fully operational. Also, Pegasus's systems are newer, and may be more automated.
* As the episode ends, it's interesting to see that the bulk of [[Galactica]]'s Viper fleet consist of the Mark II's, while [[Pegasus]] had the Mark VII's. A classic picture of "old vs. new".
**While ''Pegasus'' seems to have entirely Viper Mk. VII's, they would presumably have had to removed most of the automated systems from them (to prevent Cylon virus infiltration). Doing this makes them more difficult to fly (''Galactica's'' few Mk. VII's are only used by the most capable pilots now). ''Pegasus' '' pilots might have more advanced fighers but they aren't as reliable now as the tried-and-true Mk. II's.
* [[Nelena Cain]] is the female version of [[Cain (TOS)|Cain]], who was portrayed by the late [[Lloyd Bridges]] in the original ''[[Battlestar Galactica (1978)|Battlestar Galactica]]''.
* This episode is inspired by the two part episode, "[[The Living Legend (TOS)|The Living Legend]]".
* "Pegasus" apparently starts a multi-episode arc. The cliffhanger ending marks the mid-season finale. Season 2 will continue in January 2006 with [[Resurrection Ship]].
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] also wrote another episode called [[wikipedia:The Pegasus (TNG episode)|The Pegasus]], in the seventh season of ''Star Trek: The Next Generation''.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===

* Michelle Forbes as Admiral [[Nelena Cain]]
* Unknown as Colonel [[Jack Fisk]]
* Unknown as Lieutenant [[Thorne]]
* Unknown as Petty Officer [[Hoshi]]
* Unknown as Captain [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]]
* Unknown as Chief Petty Officer [[Laird]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Leah+Cairns Leah Cairns] as [[Racetrack]]

=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by
*Story by
*Teleplay by
*Directed by

=== Production Notes ===

*Series 2 (2005/2006)
*Production Number: 2.10
*Airdate Order: 10 (of 20)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate:
*US Airdate: September 23rd, 2005
*DVD Release:

{{Episode List}}
[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category: Episode Guide (RDM)]]

Pegasus (episode)

2005-09-24T16:04:12Z

Lone Odessan:

: ''For information related the [[battlestar]] ''Pegasus'' itself, see ''[[Pegasus]]''.''

: ''Information provided by [http://gateworld.net/galactica/news/2005/06/galacticadiscoverssistersh.shtml GateWorld.net].''

== Overview ==
: ''Tensions run high when the ''Pegasus'', a battlestar more advanced than the ''[[Galactica]]'', is found -- only to have Admiral [[Nelena Cain]] usurp command of the fleet and foist her demands on those under her new command.''

== Summary ==
*The ''Pegasus'', a [[Mercury-class]] [[battlestar]], has joined the fleet. She survived the attack by [[blind-jump]]ing as the [[Cylon]]s attacked the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]].
* A Cylon fleet, comprised of two [[basestar]]s, support ships and a large mothership of unknown purpose have been trailing the fleet -- and detected by Cain and the ''Pegasus''.
* Upon assuming command of the fleet, Cain begins moving crew members around, transferring [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] to the ''Pegasus''.
* Tyrol welcomes his civilian counterpart on ''Pegasus''. [[Laird]] is an aeronautical engineer-turned Deck Chief that designed the old engines in the [[Blackbird]], and who's both appalled and impressed by Tyrol's new stealth fighter.
* Lee is essentially busted down to [[Raptor]] pilot in a recon mission to the Cylon fleet. But he shows his defiant side by asking Kara to commandeer the Blackbird to take some better recon photos of the fleet without being noticed by Colonial ''or'' Cylon forces.
* [[Helo]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] discover that [[Gina]], the Cylon prisoner aboard the ''Pegasus'', was raped by the crew as a form of torture. They rush to ''Galactica'''s brig, where a ''Pegasus'' lieutenant, [[Thorne]], is about to rape Sharon. Tyrol throws Thorne against a bulkhead, killing him. The pair are arrested for courts-martial.
*Commander Adama is angered to hear that Admiral Cain is going to hold the court-martial on ''Pegasus'', not ''Galactica'' where the offense occurred. Cain assures Adama that they will be tried by jury.
*Admiral Cain, however, does not give the pair a court martial hearing or trial by jury, instead rapidly deciding the verdict by herself and ordering Helo and Tyrol to be executed.
*Upon discovering what Admiral Cain has done, Commander Adama orders a Raptor to fly out with an armed Marine boarding party and launches ''Galactica's'' Vipers against ''Pegasus'', demanding that Admiral Cain release [[Helo]] and [[Galen Tyrol]].
*Admiral Cain refuses, and balks at the thought of an "independent tribunal" to settle the dispute because the [[Litmus|last time Galactica held one]] Commander Adama dissolved the tribunal when he "didn't like the verdict". Adama refuses to back down and insists that he will get his men back.
*Admiral Cain launches ''Pegasus''' Vipers against the incoming Vipers from ''Galactica''. They close in on each other as the episode ends.

== Questions ==

*Will Starbuck and her [[Blackbird]] stealth fighter play a role in the armed standoff between ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica''?
**Although we won't know that until [[Resurrection Ship|next episode]], that seems initially unlikely, as the Blackbird is being used for the Recon mission against the Cylon "Unknown". The episode seemed to suggest that both were occurring at the same time.
*Where did the ''Pegasus'' crew get fresh fruit?
**Dualla explains in "[[Final Cut]]" that their ships have very effective refrigeration units to keep food fresh for long duration duty tours, etc.
*In the absence of Apollo and Starbuck, who is leading Galactica's fighters against Pegasus? [[George Birch]]? [[Symes]]?
**As for the unknown ship in the Cylon fleet, what IS its function? Is it, as Adama speculates, a Raptor
factory? Could it be a HumanoCylon creation facility? The next episodes' title "Resurrection Ship" could
foreshadow that possibility, as when HumanoCylons "die" they're downloaded into new bodies, and these new bodies are stockpiled where?

== Analysis ==
*[[Cally]]'s charged reaction to the drunken Pegasus crewmen ''bragging'' about raping Number Six/Gina repeatedly is probably due to herself being the survivor of an attempted rape, in "[[Bastille Day]]".

== Notes ==

*Population count is 49,605, a dramatic increase of 1,752 since the 47,853 count in [[Flight of the Phoenix]], undoubtedly to account for the addition of Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' and her crew to the Colonial fleet.
**Cain notes that Pegasus lost 700 crew in the openning attack, thus we may speculate that at the time of the attack her crew totalled to about 2,450.
**During the episode, [[Cain, Nelena|Admiral Cain]] mentioned that due to [[Gina]]'s actions, 800 of her crew were lost. One possibility is that part of the 800 included the 700 lost during the initial attack. That being the case, the revised total number is 2,550. If the 800 crew lost was due to a separate incident, then the starting Pegasus numbers maybe be 3,250.
**This is substantially smaller than [[Galactica]]'s crew, possibly explained by many of Cain's crew being on leave at the time of the attack. Galactica, although soon to be decomissioned, was still fully operational. Also, Pegasus's systems are newer, and may be more automated.
* As the episode ends, it's interesting to see that the bulk of [[Galactica]]'s Viper fleet consist of the Mark II's, while [[Pegasus]] had the Mark VII's. A classic picture of "old vs. new".
**While ''Pegasus'' seems to have entirely Viper Mk. VII's, they would presumably have had to removed most of the automated systems from them (to prevent Cylon virus infiltration). Doing this makes them more difficult to fly (''Galactica's'' few Mk. VII's are only used by the most capable pilots now). ''Pegasus' '' pilots might have more advanced fighers but they aren't as reliable now as the tried-and-true Mk. II's.
* [[Nelena Cain]] is the female version of [[Cain (TOS)|Cain]], who was portrayed by the late [[Lloyd Bridges]] in the original ''[[Battlestar Galactica (1978)|Battlestar Galactica]]''.
* This episode is inspired by the two part episode, "[[The Living Legend (TOS)|The Living Legend]]".
* "Pegasus" apparently starts a multi-episode arc. The cliffhanger ending marks the mid-season finale. Season 2 will continue in January 2006 with [[Resurrection Ship]].
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] also wrote another episode called [[wikipedia:The Pegasus (TNG episode)|The Pegasus]], in the seventh season of ''Star Trek: The Next Generation''.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===

* Michelle Forbes as Admiral [[Nelena Cain]]
* Unknown as Colonel [[Jack Fisk]]
* Unknown as Lieutenant [[Thorne]]
* Unknown as Petty Officer [[Hoshi]]
* Unknown as Captain [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]]
* Unknown as Chief Petty Officer [[Laird]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Leah+Cairns Leah Cairns] as [[Racetrack]]

=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by
*Story by
*Teleplay by
*Directed by

=== Production Notes ===

*Series 2 (2005/2006)
*Production Number: 2.10
*Airdate Order: 10 (of 20)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate:
*US Airdate: September 23rd, 2005
*DVD Release:

{{Episode List}}
[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category: Episode Guide (RDM)]]

Battlestar Wiki talk:Spoiler Policy

2005-09-11T22:21:18Z

Lone Odessan: added vote

== Complaints and Concerns ==

I hate the spoiler policy. I don't want to be spoiled. I won't be using or contributing to the site significantly until after the end of the season and before you start spoiling season 3.

Character summaries in particular should be free of spoilers like "died in tbe episode Scattered," (before it aired), especially when the character doesn't die in Scattered after all when it finally airs.

Socinus lives!

-MHall

: I personally go by group consensus. If the consensus is that spoiler information is used, then that's the consensus; if it is vice-versa, then spoiler information isn't used (or packaged so as not to spoil the casual reader). As we're an '''information resource and episode guide''', spoilers are a necessary evil. Some of the spoiler information changes from script to shooting, hence the inaccurate statement of Socinus' death in "Scattered"; it doesn't preclude him dying later on due to his injuries, so he may still die this season.

: For instance, I noted that details often change from the initial script to the final shooting. Permit me to use Boomer as an example: her being a human Cylon was never in the previous versions of the mini-series script, but changed -- indirectly -- after one of Ron Moore's friends made a quip about there not being a "By your command" line in the script. (That information came from the mini-series DVD commentary track.) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:41, 17 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Actually, I think that there is no way of making a spoiler-free version for everybody and making it work, too - because some country will always be the last to air the show, and by then, parts of the rest of the world will have forgotten about it already.

There is however one exception: There should really be no spoilers for shows that have not even aired, or at least not anywhere but that episode's summary. Otherwise, there is really no way one can enjoy this wiki ''and'' the show. (Happened for me with Home II.) I would even go as far as extending the no-spoilers for not-yet-aired shows for 24 hrs after the show, again, with the exception of the episodes's page. Because, let's fact it, lots of people will use P2P to see the show, because otherwise it would be years until they get to see it. (And if they are unlucky, they would have to see a synchronised version, too.) So the latter suggestion would enable them to look up things here while not having to wait for the show to arrive.

And one final thing: Spoiling from the scripts does not even make much sense - as the first poster on this page points out; and the audio comments imply the same. So my guess would be that spoiling not-yet aired shows will put off users from using this site, which is hardly a good thing, and it doesn't make much sense in the first place to do so, because the scripts will not air the way they were written, anyway. So I really would suggest a No spoilers for unaired shows policy. -- [[User:Still not king|Still not king]] 12:32, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::I agree. We gain very little by jumping the gun on upcoming episode spoilers - for example, I didn't need to know that spoileriffic note on the episode summary for [[Resurrection Ship]] at all. There's no reason not to be patient with these things. I do not agree, however, with a 24 hour injunction against posting episode details - we should be able to start wiki-ing as soon as it airs in our respective timezones. If we want to stay spoiler free on the west coast, we can always just not log on during the three hour window. Likewise, when the brits start getting Season 2, Part II before we do, we shouldn't force ourselves to wait for the U.S. airings. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:45, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

:::I was intentionally proposing ''just'' 24 hours - that is what it might take to get to see the show if you have to get it by P2P, and in the meantime, one might still want to check out something -- not the episode summary, of course, but a plain page about a character. It's a minor part of my proposal, though -- the important one is No spoilers of unaired shows. -- [[User:Still not king|Still not king]] 20:13, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::I really like the idea of not posting regarding unaired shows. There's no way to avoid spoilers for shows that have aired already, but the show doesn't really exist until it's aired, in a way (insofar that it might be changed). I also really like the idea of a 24-hour wait period after the first (and thus, British, right?) air time. A day isn't that long, really, and I'm not sure about anyone else, but these episodes make my mind race and I'd probably be too excited if I went straight from the sofa to the computer after watching. --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:35, 29 August 2005 (EDT)

:::::One of the nice things about the wiki system is that if you post something innacurate or overzealous, someone else can come along and tone it down a bit. I'm starting a vote. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:03, 29 August 2005 (EDT)

:This is rediculous. You come onto a site that has a quite obvious spoiler policy on the front fage, you go to read about upcoming episodes, and then you cry about being spoiled. Gee, obviously the best way to solve this is to stop people from posting new information. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 08:51, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:The whole debate is a bit odd to me. "Spoilers" by definition have to do with un-aired episodes, and anything written about un-aired episodes is, by definition, speculation. That speculation may be more informed or less, but it's still just that, ''speculation''. You have to watch the episode to find out what actually happens. If anything maybe there should be a reminder on un-aired ep pages that the information may or may not be accurate. Back in the day, there was another sci-fi show, "Babylon 5" which had/has a website much like this one - "The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5." The Lurker's Guide, while being an accurate and detailed guide to the show, was also a haven for every kind of spoilage and speculation imaginable, which I and many others found only enhanced our enjoyment of the show. --[[User:Astarte|Astarte]] 05:22, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

::I was also a fan of the lurker's guide. I think an important difference here is that the production staff of B5 (ie, JMS) were very tight-lipped and conscious of avoiding big spoilers. The staff of the Re-imagined series have been much looser, and credible spoilers for various production details have been leaked far and wide throughout the first half of the second season. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:25, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

== Spoiler Warning ==

How about episode pages that have not been aired yet get a spoiler tag, so that people that can contribute to them knowing full well that they'll likely be spoiled? Same can be done with character and event pages, so that information introduced to them from episodes not yet aired can also be used on this Wiki without fear of spoiling those that do not wish it. Thoughts?-- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:39, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:I'm afraid it wouldn't do me much good, since I read the diffs on everything on the recent edits page anyway. Maybe we could allow spoilers on episode summary pages but discourage them elsewhere? Avoiding the episode summaries isn't very hard. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:11, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

I found this problem with the Pegasus ep and related data. I wanted to keep the Fall of the Twelve Colonies page accurate with what we knew about surviving Battlestars, but this is still a spoiler, so the data there is left a bit vague unless someone digs for it. Still, a spoiler is a spoiler. The talk page would satisfy both spoiler-hunter and seeker on an episode article. We'd just need to add a "Spoiler" topic there, and note to people that if you are going to see an episode page for a show that hasn't aired, you are asking for it, literally. At least the talk page has an extra layer for avoiders to have, but because of the nature of this wiki, eliminating spoilers takes away a lot of the research fun. Data's gotta go somewhere and we can't commit the juicy bits for the main page to memory until the ep is aired. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

::This is going to be awkward, but I feel like we should add this as an option in the vote. Also adding a note on approval voting. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:::I dislike the thought of having to move massive amounts of text. So far, I've been avoiding pages to do with unaired episodes. That's easy enough. My main concern is someone clicking through and wondering, "Who the ''heck'' is Gina?", thinking it's some pilot who's name they missed or some small character. Then they read about an episode they didn't want to. Or, in another case, someone reading all about Lee and the information going on, at the end, past the most recent episode. I think keeping character pages clear is the better idea. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:01, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

=== Subpage? ===

How about comitting spoilers to a subpage of an article? For instance, [[Pegasus (episode)]] would have a subpage called [[Pegasus (episode)/Spoilers]]? I believe that would be fairly straight forward, given the title of the subpage. :-)

Then, after the episode airs, we can simply merge the contents together from the spoiler page into the main page of the article in question. Just my view. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:48, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:This sounds like a lot of work. I actually agree with Spencerian that anyone who clicks on the episode page for an unaired episode is explicitly asking for it. Additionally, those are easy edits to avoid reading. I'm going to go and complicate things now... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:: It does, but my intent was to just throw this out there to see what everyone else thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:01, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:::See my note above for my thoughts on having to merge things. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:01, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

== What is a spoiler? ==
In response to Day's query below ("So what constitutes a spoiler for this new voting catagory?"): I believe a spoiler is anything from an as-yet-unaired show. Examples: Lucy Lawless's character, Cain, Gina, etc. I think the revelation about Boomer is fair game, as that was the end of the Mini-Series. It's hard to escape that fact when most press articles now refer to her as a Cylon. For the purposes of my argument and vote, a "spoiler" is any information that has not yet been broadcast. Is that a fair assessment? -- [[User:Ryq|ryq]] 16:40, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

:I concur with this definition. I just thought it would pay to be absolutely clear. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:56, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

:What about various countries using this page? What an Australian considers a spoiler may already be known via broadcast in the states. Using this logic, spoiler pages could end up lasting for literally months after an original broadcast. --[[User:adedward|Adedward]] 16:15, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

:: Which is a problem with a "no spoiler" spoiler policy... Different countries see episodes at different times. Fact of the matter remains that there will always be spoilers within the wiki, so there will always be an "all spoilers permitted" policy -- in that way. The current discussion, however, is more towards spoiling episodes that haven't aired ''anywhere''. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:37, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

::: Precisely. Once an episode has aired for the first time somewhere, then it can be said what's really in it. Before it's aired anywhere, stuff "known" about it can change and so could very well be ''dis''information. Also, regardless of what the MPAA (or whatever the acronym is) wants, once an episode airs in one place, it is very soon available via download on the internet. I don't think this site should condone such downloading, but it's a reality and, as I understand it, Australia is the leader in downloading TV programs. There's also some behavioral patterns that indicate that the SciFi Channel and SkyOne and the peroduction staff might very well be tacitly embracing this method of dissemination with the idea that it actually raises viewership numbers when the things air for the first time in an area. They've, of course, not made any official statement.

::: All that being said, I think the first air date, whether that's in the UK, the US, Australlia or [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kamchatka Kamchatka], should be that date after which comprehensive information about an episode should no longer be considered a spoiler with respect to character pages. Episode pages are, really, a finer-grained debate. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:15, 6 September 2005 (EDT)

::: I concur with Day in that I believe nothing is canon until a) the episode is legitimately broadcast anywhere, or b) TPTB declare some aspect of the show as canon. It has been proven that scenes or characters or plots are moved, re-written or deleted between the page and the screen. I'm concerned that some "spoilers" (ie, rumours, hear-say, etc) may reflect poorly on this wiki, and therefore spoilers should be left out of the main article (and on the Talk page) unless and until they are proven correct. For example, I do not disagree with Lucy Lawless' character having an article at this time (we know she was part of the cast), but I believe what her character says and does, and what plots involve her, should be kept on the Talk page until they are broadcast. On a related note, I am amazed at all the info you guys find about unaired shows. :) -- [[User:Ryq|ryq]] 16:08, 6 September 2005 (EDT)

==Vote==

Vote for as many options as you agree with. Voting method is [[Wikipedia:Approval Voting|approval voting]] - place your name under every policy which would be acceptable to you; the policy acceptable to the most users wins.

Spoilers in this vote refer to details of unaired episodes. As an encyclopedia, cataloging information from already aired episodes is what we do, and is not in question.

===All spoilers permitted (current policy)===
# [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 08:47, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 21:38, 1 September 2005 (EDT) This a reference, let's act like it. If we have reliable information, share it with others.
# --[[User:Astarte|Astarte]] 04:50, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:adedward|Adedward]] 04:11pm, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:50pm, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Laven|Laven]] 06:00, 5 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Howlader|Howlader]] 1622, 5 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:finnulf|Finnulf]] 1523, 8 September 2005 (EDT) Visitors should be permitted to use their judgement pertaining to spoilers; banning spoilers amounts to censorship.
# --[[User:Lone Odessan]] 1820, 11 September 2005 (EDT)

===No spoilers except for episode pages===
# --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:04, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --Zareck Rocks 15:00, 31 August 2005 (EDT)--
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:57, 1 September 2005 (EDT) (I'm apparently being convinced).
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:16, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 19:55, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 09:21, 4 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:CrimsonLine|CrimsonLine]] 15:04, 6 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 14:17, 7 September 2005 (EDT). It could be that people surfing through an episode list would not know that a certain episode has not yet aired. Another example would be folks using the "Random page" button. Thus I suggest putting a spoiler warning at the top of any such articles. But let the speculation flow; it's half the fun.
# --[[User:JohnReese|John Reese]] 11:21, 8 September 2005 (PDT)

===No spoilers except for episode talk pages===
# --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:35, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (To compromise, make the episode's TALK page fair game for spoiler data.)
# --[[User:Ryq|ryq]] 19:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (I agree with Spencerian's addendum)

===No spoilers until after first episode airdate===
# --[[User:cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 22:49, 29 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:35, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (To compromise, make the episode's TALK page fair game for spoiler data.)
# --[[User:Ryq|ryq]] 19:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (I agree with Spencerian's addendum)
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:45, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (So what constitutes a spoiler for this new voting catagory? Does this mean in the Mini-Series episode article, we have to take out the revelation about Boomer's heritage and move it to the talk page? Or does this new thing mean that information about unaired episodes goes on their talk pages until they've aired (or 24 hours after) when we can then move it to the main page? This new thing confuses me, which I think is apparent.)
# [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:06, 1 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:15, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:BillCook|BillCook]], 6 September 2005
# --[[User:JohnReese|John Reese]] 11:21, 8 September 2005 (PDT)

===No spoilers until after first episode airdate + 24 hours===
# --[[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]]
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:19, 30 August 2005 (EDT)
# [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:06, 1 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:15, 2 September 2005 (EDT)

User talk:The Merovingian

2005-09-11T22:17:59Z

Lone Odessan:

== Regarding "Spoilers" ==

Welcome to the Wiki! Just wanted to drop a note by and state that this site doesn't censor spoilers. Therefore, I've reverted your changes. See the [[Battlestar Wiki:Spoiler Policy|Spoiler Policy]]. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:06, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Well yes, but I think we should just keep stuff that's current, or chronological i.e. put the first entry under "Pegasus" saying that Tyrol served there, THEN mentioned the rest...I don't know. P.S. What's with that IP address that keeps sending junk links on this wiki? Is it a person or a bot?

: I think its a bot of some type. I'll probably end up blocking the IP ranges. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:52, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT)

==Cylon Wars==

Just wanted to compliment you for your recent adjustments to the Cylon War articles. Nice job. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:43, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Ditto. I like the Battle pages you've created. It has a great functionality to show in a nutshell any changes in equipment and manpower. If that isn't already there, can we have a count of lost Colonial ships, pilots, or other humans? [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:09, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:As I understand it, there is a "list of pilots" page, and I believe that it and the article for ''Galactica'' cover Viper numbers (though Raptor numbers are anyone's guesss so far; the official site+on screen dialog has only said the number of Vipers). I also appreciate it that RDM, unlike the morons on Star Trek: Voyager (HOW MANY shuttles did they lose?) will devote an ENTIRE EPISODE's "A" plot ("Flight of the Phoenix") to saying that the Galactica has reached the point where they have to start building more Vipers ''from scratch''. --->Actually, all I did was copy/paste the wiki battlebox from Wikipedia's Battle of Pelennor Fields page....of course, I WROTE most of the entry for Pelennor Fields including the battlebox, as well as the box for Helm's Deep, Black Gate, Bywater, Dale, etc. If you check "history" on Wikipedia I (Ricimer) actually have written ''most'' of the LOTR material, and I regulary update the Battlestar Galactica pages. Weird thing is, on Wikipedia if you type in "Cylon" you get this 6th century B.C. Athenian statesman named "Cylon" with a link to "the fictional robots". I think maybe 5 people would be looking for the ancient Athenian: anyone known how to bump Galactica's Cylons ahead of them? Anyway, the hard part was actually figuring out how to get a color that was visible on a black backround; it was originally ''pink'' and looked horrible (I don't know how to change colors) and had to toy around a dozen or so times before I got a nice bluish color. ---Ricimer 8:00, 18 Aug, 2005 EDT

==12 Colonies==

Thanks on the Colony stuff, I'm still new at this.

==Nuggets==

You said:

:According to the SciFi.com official website, after the events of "The Hand of God", there are 5 surviving nuggets.

Can you tell me where to find this? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:45, 27 August 2005 (EDT)

:Go to Scifi.com's Battlestar Galactica page. Click on "Ships Gallery" go to the Viper page. Click on "CAG roster". It gives a list of ships. During the first season it was updated every episode that Vipers were lost or damaged, up until episode #10 "The Hand of God" (I actually don't think any Vipers were lost since then). Anyway, it says that there are "5 trainee pilots" right there. So I went to the "nugget" page and updated it to say that there are 5 now (Hot Dog, Kat, and three others apparently). ---Ricimer, 27 Aug, 2005 4:00 pm EDT

==Your fight with [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]]==

Gentlemen: rather than reverting each other's edits on [[Cylons]] and submitting ban requests, please attempt a civilized discussion on the article's [[Talk:Cylons|talk page]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:03, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

Agreed. I will revert the Cylon page to whatever it was in the last edit before this started, then continue on the discussion page. ---Ricimer, 1 Sept, 2005

==Redirects==

Use <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Gideon]]</nowiki>, for example. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:08, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

== Humano-Cylons ==

I was looking into your reason for removing my "Starbuck's a Cylon" bit and wanted to point out that the line that Boomer says concerning Starbuck having a child does not say that she would breed with a Cylon. Boomer states, "No, if you agreed to bear children, it’d be voluntary, maybe even set you up with someone you like." Now, if Starbuck were to be set up with a Cylon to create a hybrid and the "twelve models" bit meant twelve different Humano-Cylon models, that would be extremely limiting (after all, we've already seen the chemistry between her and Leoben. Heh.). If the Cylons were trying to set her up with Simon, for example, it seems odd how he kept pushing her buttons (the child abuse thing, the "do you see any Vipers around here" bit, etc.). If one wanted to look at Boomer's comment as a general one relating to humans, then it still seems like Starbuck would not really work in that situation, either. I think that Boomer's comment could mean that the Cylons would set her up with Anders or Lee Adama, both of whom she has feelings for (note that Boomer says "someone you like," not "someone you would like."). While a case could be made that Anders is a Cylon, his presige and career in professional Pyramid makes it likely that he would have been in the public eye for more than two years prior to the Cylon holocaust, which, as I stated, seems to be the point of origin of Cylon infiltration. However, the information on Anders is quite weak and would make such a case on either side very difficult. D'anna Biers may have been in the public eye as a reporter, though the case has been made by others that she was probably a low profile reporter prior to the attack, and therefore would not have had the exposure that Anders enjoyed. Also, if one were to make the case that Baltar was a Cylon and that he could be used, the brainscan performed on him in Home, Part II, seems like it would have shown silica pathways in his brain, as that appears to still be part of Cylon technology (according to the mini-series), so it seems unlikely that he's a Cylon, too. Well, that turned into quite the long and roundabout case. Anyhow, as Boomer, nor anyone else in the episode, seems to have stated directly that Starbuck would be made to breed with a Cylon, there is enough wiggle-room to justify that this may not have been the case. -- [[User:Linaf|Linaf]]

== Final Cut ==

Thanks for the clean-up on my addendum... was kinda klunky....
[[User:Lone Odessan|Lone Odessan]] 18:17, 11 September 2005 (EDT)

Final Cut

2005-09-11T12:36:20Z

Lone Odessan:

== Overview ==

: ''[[D'anna Biers]], an investigative journalist, makes a critical documentary on [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]]'s conduct during a "Kent State"-like crisis.''

== Summary ==
*Caprica Boomer nearly has a miscarriage, but Cottle saves the child
*Roslin and Adama have agreed to bury the hatchet by this episode

== Questions ==
*The Cylons deployed two Raiders to the ''Galactica'' to transmit D'anna's video documentary back to Caprica: does this mean the Cylons know ''exactly'' where the Fleet is, and have simply chosen ''not'' to intercept it? Is keeping the Fleet alive part of their "Plan"?
** Possibly, in the "de-briefing" towards the end of the episode, Caprica D'anna meant the two Raiders
transmitted the footage she cut from the documentary (showing Helo's Boomer in the Sickbay). I believe they
meant that they picked up the whole "show" from fleet transmissions and the snippet from the two Raiders.
**Or, are the Cylons ''now'' refraining from sending in a full [[Basestar]] and Raider wing to attack the Galactica because they are worried that a direct attack on the Galactica will result in the death of Caprica-Boomer and her hybrid daughter? (that is, they would have attacked it if Boomer wasn't on board, but sending two Raiders in now was simply a reconaissance mission?). The Cylons did say that they want to proceed cautiously.
**Then again, the two Raiders didn't Jump in to the Fleet's viscinity, they flew in normally. Perhaps the Cylons actually ''don't'' know exactly where the Fleet is, and these Raiders may have been searching for days to find them. Seeing as the Cylons on Caprica weren't aware that the Caprica-Boomer was still alive, perhaps they also trully aren't aware of the Fleet's location, and other Cylons in the Fleet cannot transmit messages back to Caprica because they are out of range (though a nearby Cylon ship might be close enough).

== Analysis ==
At the end of the episode, D'anna says that the Cylons "lost two Raiders relaying the images back to ''the Fleet''" from the ''Galactica''. She didn't say "from the Galactica back to ''Caprica''". Does this imply that there is a main Cylon fleet following the Galactica?
*This will be covered in the episode ''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]''.

== Notes ==
*Population count is now 47,853, a loss of two since [[Home, Part II]], to account for the two [[Tom Zarek]] henchmen killed in that episode.
*D'anna Biers makes the same comment about Baltar that Roslin made in ''[[33]]''.
*We finally learn [[Dualla]]'s first name as she is interviewed by [[D'anna Biers]]: ''Anastasia''.
*Gaeta's first name is revealed as [[Felix Gaeta|Felix]]. He also showed a wild side in the form of a tattoo on his chest he got when he was drunk. He's also taken up smoking. Perhaps this isn't so much a sign of a previously unrevealed wild side, but a sign that Gaeta's composure is starting to get frayed from constant stress.
*The [[ECO]] known as [[Racetrack]] has a full name: [[Margaret Edmondson]].
*The music aired at the end of the documentary is the Colonial Fanfare last heard in the [[Mini Series]]: the theme from the original "Battlestar Galactica" TV series. In the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica, it is apparently the "national anthem" of the Twelve Colonies.
*Adama uses the phrase "warts and all." This was invented by 17th-Century English dictator Oliver Cromwell.
*Timeline-wise, Col. Tigh says there's been no Cylon contactcs for 10 days. Col. Tigh was in command of ''Galactica'' for "over a week" (from "[[Scattered]]" to "[[Resistance]]").
*Colonial video feeds are octagonal, but video screens are (oddly) rectangular.
*Capt. [[Kelly]] appears fulfilling his duties as Landing Signal Officer by coordinating Viper landings. This scene further explains the "where was Kelly between the mini series and season 2?" question: he doesn't work in the [[CIC]], but in the flight pod itself.
*Blooper: In the last scene, the Caprica Biers says that two Raiders were lost relaying the video back to the fleet, yet the documentary was not complete when the Raiders attacked. Indeed, the Caprican Cylons are shown watching the closing footage of the documentary, which shows Adama's outburst in the CIC ("Yes!"). This outburst was prompted by the destruction of the second Raider.
**Perhaps they launched a transmitter buoy before their destruction? Maybe they were just a diversion for another Raider transmiting from beyond DRADIS range?
*This episode contains the first scene on Colonial One since [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]].

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
** ''After meeting Dr. Gaius Baltar for the first time:''
*:D'anna Biers: What a strange little man.

** ''D'anna Biers is filming an interview with Apollo:''
*:D'anna Biers: You seem to think that your pilots deserve special consideration.
*:Apollo: Actually, I do. Like everyone else, my pilots have lost their families, their friends, everyone they ever cared about; but on top of that their asked to put their lives on the line every single day, for a fleet that seems more interested in what they do wrong than in what they do right. They're not asking for your pity, but they damn well deserve your respect.

** ''D'anna Biers is interviewing Racetrack:''
*:D'anna Biers: Are you afraid when you go into combat?
*:Racetrack: First thing they tell you is to assume you're already dead.
*:D'anna Biers: Well that sounds ghoulish.
*:Racetrack: Yeah, maybe. But dead men don't get scared and freeze up under fire. Me, I'm just worried that hell's gonna be a lonely place, and I'm gonna fill it up with every Toaster son of a bitch I find.

** ''D'anna Biers is interviewing Lt. Gaeta. Gaeta is slightly disheveled, and is smoking a cigarette:''
*:D'anna Biers: Does that help you cope with the stress?
*:Lt. Felix Gaeta: Not really. Look, um, all that I ever wanted was to be an officer on a Battlestar, okay? I trained my whole life, I trained harder than anyone in my unit. Basically, I put my life on hold until I was assigned to ''Galactica''. Then the Cylons hit and I realized that this is all that I know: tech manuals, commands, and tactics, you know? I'm not saying that I'm unhappy...I'm just wondering if there's something more.
*:D'anna Biers: And what have you discovered?
*:Lt. Felix Gaeta: ...[takes a long drag]...I hate cigarettes. Ambrosia's good with a chaser. And, if you have enough Ambrosia...[Gaeta pulls back his shirt to reveal an ugly tatoo of a tiger on his upper right chest]...it don't hurt that much.

** ''The closing voice-over narration to D'anna Biers' documentary on the Battlestar Galactica, which runs over a montage of images from the ship. The Colonial Anthem tinkles in the backround and gradually builds to up to a grand swell:''
*:D'anna Biers: I came to ''Galactica'' to tell a story. In all honesty I thought I knew what that story was before I ever set foot there: how an arrogant military let their egos get in the way of doing their jobs, safeguarding the lives of the civillian population. But I found out that the truth was more complex than that. These people aren't Cylons. They're not robots blindly following orders and polishing their boots. They're people. Deeply flawed, yes, but deeply human too, and maybe that's saying the same thing. What struck me most is that despite it all; the hardships, the stress, the ever present danger of being killed, despite all that they never give up. They never lie down in the road and let the truck run them over. They wake up in the morning, put on their uniforms and do their jobs. Every day. No pay, no rest, no hope of ever laying down the burden or letting someone else do the job. There are no relief troops coming, no Colonial Fleet training new recruits every day. The people on ''Galactica'' are ''it''. They are the thin line of blue that separates us from the Cylons. Lt. Gaeta told me a remarkable statistic; not a single member of Galactica's crew has asked to resign, not one. Think about that. If you wore the uniform wouldn't you want to quit? To step aside and say "enough! Let someone else protect the fleet"? I know I would. But then, I don't wear a uniform. Most of us don't, most of us never will. The story of ''Galactica'' isn't that people make bad decisions under pressure, it's that those mistakes are the exception. Most of the time the men and women serving under Commander Adama get it right. The proof is that our fleet ''survives''. And with ''Galactica'' at our side, we ''will'' endure. This is D'anna Biers, Fleet News Service.

** ''The camera pulls back to show a movie theater on Cylon-occupied [[Caprica]], where the humanoid Cylons are watching a copy of the documentary, as D'anna Biers' ending narration finishes:''
*:Aaron Doral: That was shown across their entire fleet.
*:Number Six: Their resilience is remarkable.
*:Sharon Valerii: Play the footage that was cut. [camera footage plays of Helo's Sharon in Galactica's Sickbay]
*:Sharon Valerii: I'm still alive?! She's still alive! I told you.
*:Number Six: That's incredible. And the baby?
*:D'anna Biers: [speaking without her usual New Zealand accent, but with a normal American accent] It was saved. We lost two Raiders relaying the images back to the Fleet, but I think the sacrifice was worth it.
*:Aaron Doral: We must proceed with caution. The child's life must be protected at all costs.
*:D'anna Biers: Yeah. Truly is a miracle of God.

== Official Statements ==

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnely Rhodes] as [[Cottle]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[D'anna Biers]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1382781/ Luciana Carro] as [[Kat]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Leah+Cairns Leah Cairns] as [[Racetrack]]
*[[IMDB-person:Ty Olsson|Ty Olsson]] as Capt. [[Kelly]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]

=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by
*Story by
*Teleplay by
*Directed by

=== Production Notes ===

*Series 2 (2005/2006)
*Production Number: 2.8
*Airdate Order: 8 (of 20)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate: 2005
*US Airdate: September 9th, 2005 (note - airdate had been planned for September 2nd, 2005, however, SciFi is running a Stargate SG-1 Viewers Choice Marathon for the Labor Day Weekend)
*DVD Release: Date

{{Episode List}}

[[Category: Episode Guide (RDM)]]
[[Category: A to Z]]

Final Cut

2005-09-11T12:32:26Z

Lone Odessan: Believe D'anna meant the 2 Raiders were needed for the footage of Helo's Boomer still alive.

== Overview ==

: ''[[D'anna Biers]], an investigative journalist, makes a critical documentary on [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]]'s conduct during a "Kent State"-like crisis.''

== Summary ==
*Caprica Boomer nearly has a miscarriage, but Cottle saves the child
*Roslin and Adama have agreed to bury the hatchet by this episode

== Questions ==
*The Cylons deployed two Raiders to the ''Galactica'' to transmit D'anna's video documentary back to Caprica: does this mean the Cylons know ''exactly'' where the Fleet is, and have simply chosen ''not'' to intercept it? Is keeping the Fleet alive part of their "Plan"?
** Possibly, in the "de-briefing" towards the end of the episode, Caprica D'anna meant the two Raiders
transmitted the footage she cut from the documentary (showing Helo's Boomer in the Sickbay).
**Or, are the Cylons ''now'' refraining from sending in a full [[Basestar]] and Raider wing to attack the Galactica because they are worried that a direct attack on the Galactica will result in the death of Caprica-Boomer and her hybrid daughter? (that is, they would have attacked it if Boomer wasn't on board, but sending two Raiders in now was simply a reconaissance mission?). The Cylons did say that they want to proceed cautiously.
**Then again, the two Raiders didn't Jump in to the Fleet's viscinity, they flew in normally. Perhaps the Cylons actually ''don't'' know exactly where the Fleet is, and these Raiders may have been searching for days to find them. Seeing as the Cylons on Caprica weren't aware that the Caprica-Boomer was still alive, perhaps they also trully aren't aware of the Fleet's location, and other Cylons in the Fleet cannot transmit messages back to Caprica because they are out of range (though a nearby Cylon ship might be close enough).

== Analysis ==
At the end of the episode, D'anna says that the Cylons "lost two Raiders relaying the images back to ''the Fleet''" from the ''Galactica''. She didn't say "from the Galactica back to ''Caprica''". Does this imply that there is a main Cylon fleet following the Galactica?
*This will be covered in the episode ''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]''.

== Notes ==
*Population count is now 47,853, a loss of two since [[Home, Part II]], to account for the two [[Tom Zarek]] henchmen killed in that episode.
*D'anna Biers makes the same comment about Baltar that Roslin made in ''[[33]]''.
*We finally learn [[Dualla]]'s first name as she is interviewed by [[D'anna Biers]]: ''Anastasia''.
*Gaeta's first name is revealed as [[Felix Gaeta|Felix]]. He also showed a wild side in the form of a tattoo on his chest he got when he was drunk. He's also taken up smoking. Perhaps this isn't so much a sign of a previously unrevealed wild side, but a sign that Gaeta's composure is starting to get frayed from constant stress.
*The [[ECO]] known as [[Racetrack]] has a full name: [[Margaret Edmondson]].
*The music aired at the end of the documentary is the Colonial Fanfare last heard in the [[Mini Series]]: the theme from the original "Battlestar Galactica" TV series. In the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica, it is apparently the "national anthem" of the Twelve Colonies.
*Adama uses the phrase "warts and all." This was invented by 17th-Century English dictator Oliver Cromwell.
*Timeline-wise, Col. Tigh says there's been no Cylon contactcs for 10 days. Col. Tigh was in command of ''Galactica'' for "over a week" (from "[[Scattered]]" to "[[Resistance]]").
*Colonial video feeds are octagonal, but video screens are (oddly) rectangular.
*Capt. [[Kelly]] appears fulfilling his duties as Landing Signal Officer by coordinating Viper landings. This scene further explains the "where was Kelly between the mini series and season 2?" question: he doesn't work in the [[CIC]], but in the flight pod itself.
*Blooper: In the last scene, the Caprica Biers says that two Raiders were lost relaying the video back to the fleet, yet the documentary was not complete when the Raiders attacked. Indeed, the Caprican Cylons are shown watching the closing footage of the documentary, which shows Adama's outburst in the CIC ("Yes!"). This outburst was prompted by the destruction of the second Raider.
**Perhaps they launched a transmitter buoy before their destruction? Maybe they were just a diversion for another Raider transmiting from beyond DRADIS range?
*This episode contains the first scene on Colonial One since [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]].

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
** ''After meeting Dr. Gaius Baltar for the first time:''
*:D'anna Biers: What a strange little man.

** ''D'anna Biers is filming an interview with Apollo:''
*:D'anna Biers: You seem to think that your pilots deserve special consideration.
*:Apollo: Actually, I do. Like everyone else, my pilots have lost their families, their friends, everyone they ever cared about; but on top of that their asked to put their lives on the line every single day, for a fleet that seems more interested in what they do wrong than in what they do right. They're not asking for your pity, but they damn well deserve your respect.

** ''D'anna Biers is interviewing Racetrack:''
*:D'anna Biers: Are you afraid when you go into combat?
*:Racetrack: First thing they tell you is to assume you're already dead.
*:D'anna Biers: Well that sounds ghoulish.
*:Racetrack: Yeah, maybe. But dead men don't get scared and freeze up under fire. Me, I'm just worried that hell's gonna be a lonely place, and I'm gonna fill it up with every Toaster son of a bitch I find.

** ''D'anna Biers is interviewing Lt. Gaeta. Gaeta is slightly disheveled, and is smoking a cigarette:''
*:D'anna Biers: Does that help you cope with the stress?
*:Lt. Felix Gaeta: Not really. Look, um, all that I ever wanted was to be an officer on a Battlestar, okay? I trained my whole life, I trained harder than anyone in my unit. Basically, I put my life on hold until I was assigned to ''Galactica''. Then the Cylons hit and I realized that this is all that I know: tech manuals, commands, and tactics, you know? I'm not saying that I'm unhappy...I'm just wondering if there's something more.
*:D'anna Biers: And what have you discovered?
*:Lt. Felix Gaeta: ...[takes a long drag]...I hate cigarettes. Ambrosia's good with a chaser. And, if you have enough Ambrosia...[Gaeta pulls back his shirt to reveal an ugly tatoo of a tiger on his upper right chest]...it don't hurt that much.

** ''The closing voice-over narration to D'anna Biers' documentary on the Battlestar Galactica, which runs over a montage of images from the ship. The Colonial Anthem tinkles in the backround and gradually builds to up to a grand swell:''
*:D'anna Biers: I came to ''Galactica'' to tell a story. In all honesty I thought I knew what that story was before I ever set foot there: how an arrogant military let their egos get in the way of doing their jobs, safeguarding the lives of the civillian population. But I found out that the truth was more complex than that. These people aren't Cylons. They're not robots blindly following orders and polishing their boots. They're people. Deeply flawed, yes, but deeply human too, and maybe that's saying the same thing. What struck me most is that despite it all; the hardships, the stress, the ever present danger of being killed, despite all that they never give up. They never lie down in the road and let the truck run them over. They wake up in the morning, put on their uniforms and do their jobs. Every day. No pay, no rest, no hope of ever laying down the burden or letting someone else do the job. There are no relief troops coming, no Colonial Fleet training new recruits every day. The people on ''Galactica'' are ''it''. They are the thin line of blue that separates us from the Cylons. Lt. Gaeta told me a remarkable statistic; not a single member of Galactica's crew has asked to resign, not one. Think about that. If you wore the uniform wouldn't you want to quit? To step aside and say "enough! Let someone else protect the fleet"? I know I would. But then, I don't wear a uniform. Most of us don't, most of us never will. The story of ''Galactica'' isn't that people make bad decisions under pressure, it's that those mistakes are the exception. Most of the time the men and women serving under Commander Adama get it right. The proof is that our fleet ''survives''. And with ''Galactica'' at our side, we ''will'' endure. This is D'anna Biers, Fleet News Service.

** ''The camera pulls back to show a movie theater on Cylon-occupied [[Caprica]], where the humanoid Cylons are watching a copy of the documentary, as D'anna Biers' ending narration finishes:''
*:Aaron Doral: That was shown across their entire fleet.
*:Number Six: Their resilience is remarkable.
*:Sharon Valerii: Play the footage that was cut. [camera footage plays of Helo's Sharon in Galactica's Sickbay]
*:Sharon Valerii: I'm still alive?! She's still alive! I told you.
*:Number Six: That's incredible. And the baby?
*:D'anna Biers: [speaking without her usual New Zealand accent, but with a normal American accent] It was saved. We lost two Raiders relaying the images back to the Fleet, but I think the sacrifice was worth it.
*:Aaron Doral: We must proceed with caution. The child's life must be protected at all costs.
*:D'anna Biers: Yeah. Truly is a miracle of God.

== Official Statements ==

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnely Rhodes] as [[Cottle]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[D'anna Biers]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1382781/ Luciana Carro] as [[Kat]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Leah+Cairns Leah Cairns] as [[Racetrack]]
*[[IMDB-person:Ty Olsson|Ty Olsson]] as Capt. [[Kelly]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]

=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by
*Story by
*Teleplay by
*Directed by

=== Production Notes ===

*Series 2 (2005/2006)
*Production Number: 2.8
*Airdate Order: 8 (of 20)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate: 2005
*US Airdate: September 9th, 2005 (note - airdate had been planned for September 2nd, 2005, however, SciFi is running a Stargate SG-1 Viewers Choice Marathon for the Labor Day Weekend)
*DVD Release: Date

{{Episode List}}

[[Category: Episode Guide (RDM)]]
[[Category: A to Z]]