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== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==

I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

== Proposition for new article ==

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}

: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question on editing etiquette ==

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
Jeff

== How Can This Not Be Canonical? ==

On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]]. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Caprican - Will We, Won't We ==

Hello all,

Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?

It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character. I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.

Thanks!
Glasswalker33

: I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

::As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account). How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --[[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

:::Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

::::Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

::::::Any ideas for what how citations should be formatted for: 1. Serge's Twitter account, and 2. ''The Caprican''? - [[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 03:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Question....Original Series ==

My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS
can anyone tell me what it means?
I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked {{unsigned|Snarky}}

: "Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Color of links to other wikis ==
I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore Memory Alpha] is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm very much in favor of this, too. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Cool. Two suggestions: Text Text. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]]
::: I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Love it already. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
: Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

==Citation Links, Templates and...other things==
I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting. I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page). Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so). This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests. Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write <nowiki>([[TRS]]: "[[33]]")</nowiki>, my idea would have them writing out <nowiki>({{TRS|33}})</nowiki>, you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica ==

Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why?
Thanks a lot, Joe -- {{unsigned|JoeCarr}}

: There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the [[Sacred Scrolls]] that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by [[Ben Stark]] of the [[Soldiers of the One]], who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== RDS / TRS ==

Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|the series article itself]] uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier. To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of ''Caprica'', we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the ''universe'' created by the Reimagined Series (including ''Caprica''), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans ''Caprica''). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::Ah. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Episode templates ==

I've created some simple templates like those on Memory Alpha for displaying episode titles with the appropriate prefixes and punctuation. They are:

*<nowiki>{{TRS}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{CAP}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{1980}}</nowiki>

However, as there's already a <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template (which has been a candidate for deletion for some time), I couldn't make that one.

The template can be used by simply putting an episode name after a bar, and can fit up to eight episode names. So <nowiki>{{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}</nowiki> produces {{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}. Will these be considered useful? And if so, can we get that other <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template gone so we can have a full set? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Not to splash acid on what you've done, but this was [[#Citation Links, Templates and...other things|brought up before]]. Now this is not to remind people that the decision made from that discussion is final (as it isn't), but I think it highlights something that most people do not consider. Feel free to further discuss. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

::Any idea what the "cost" of the use of such templates would be? And is there a way to substitute the results of templates instead of having the templates actually called? I thought that that was possible (I'm a regular Wikipedia editor and Admin). Further, are there no bot programmers around who could just whip up a script to crawl the wiki and make all the changes? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, there are more than 4,000 pages that would call the script, and with the average page using roughly 5 of these episode templates per page... it gets to be a bit of a quagmire, as I mentioned before. Now times that by how many visits we get on a daily basis (40 to 50k)... So that's an additional 800,000,000(ish) calls per day—in addition to whatever the other templates (infoboxes and so forth) that each article calls. Now, Shane's done a good job at trying to reduce the server calls (because MW has this annoying habit of calling everything whenever the page is ''loaded'', as opposed to when it is ''updated''). Now our new server has some real power behind it, so I do feel that we could more than handle that... Still, I'm very cautious so I will have to speak to Shane about this, because he knows more about the tech stuff than I do.

:::As for the bot code, Shane wrote (or modified) many of the bots. I spoke to him about that a few weeks ago, and (from what he and I understand) MW changed the way bots work in the 1.15 series. So we'll need to work on that as well, whenever we're not busy working. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== SVG images ==
I get this error when I try to include an SVG image I uploaded on a page:

::Error creating thumbnail: /usr/bin/rsvg: not found

Solution? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 02:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

: I'll have to check on this. I've written this down on my TO-DO list so I do not forget. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

::Haven't been around for a while, but coming back now I see there's no error message shown anymore, but svg images are still not being displayed. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 16:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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[[Battlestar Wiki:Welcome, newcomers|Welcome, newcomers]] and baffled oldtimers! If you have a question about [[Battlestar Wiki]] and how it works, please place it '''at the bottom of the list''', and someone will attempt to answer it for you. (If you have a question about life, the universe and everything, go to the [[Battlestar Wiki:reference desk|reference desk]] instead.)

Before asking a question, check if it's answered by the [[Battlestar Wiki:FAQ]] or other pages linked from [[Battlestar Wiki:Help]].

Before answering a newcomer's question abruptly, consider rereading [[BW:BITE|Please do not bite the newcomers]].

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== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==

I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

== Proposition for new article ==

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}

: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question on editing etiquette ==

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
Jeff

== How Can This Not Be Canonical? ==

On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]]. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Caprican - Will We, Won't We ==

Hello all,

Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?

It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character. I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.

Thanks!
Glasswalker33

: I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

::As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account). How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --[[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

:::Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

::::Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== Question....Original Series ==

My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS
can anyone tell me what it means?
I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked {{unsigned|Snarky}}

: "Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Color of links to other wikis ==
I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore Memory Alpha] is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm very much in favor of this, too. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Cool. Two suggestions: Text Text. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]]
::: I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Love it already. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
: Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

==Citation Links, Templates and...other things==
I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting. I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page). Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so). This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests. Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write <nowiki>([[TRS]]: "[[33]]")</nowiki>, my idea would have them writing out <nowiki>({{TRS|33}})</nowiki>, you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica ==

Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why?
Thanks a lot, Joe -- {{unsigned|JoeCarr}}

: There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the [[Sacred Scrolls]] that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by [[Ben Stark]] of the [[Soldiers of the One]], who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== RDS / TRS ==

Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|the series article itself]] uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier. To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of ''Caprica'', we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the ''universe'' created by the Reimagined Series (including ''Caprica''), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans ''Caprica''). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::Ah. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Episode templates ==

I've created some simple templates like those on Memory Alpha for displaying episode titles with the appropriate prefixes and punctuation. They are:

*<nowiki>{{TRS}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{CAP}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{1980}}</nowiki>

However, as there's already a <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template (which has been a candidate for deletion for some time), I couldn't make that one.

The template can be used by simply putting an episode name after a bar, and can fit up to eight episode names. So <nowiki>{{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}</nowiki> produces {{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}. Will these be considered useful? And if so, can we get that other <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template gone so we can have a full set? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Not to splash acid on what you've done, but this was [[#Citation Links, Templates and...other things|brought up before]]. Now this is not to remind people that the decision made from that discussion is final (as it isn't), but I think it highlights something that most people do not consider. Feel free to further discuss. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

::Any idea what the "cost" of the use of such templates would be? And is there a way to substitute the results of templates instead of having the templates actually called? I thought that that was possible (I'm a regular Wikipedia editor and Admin). Further, are there no bot programmers around who could just whip up a script to crawl the wiki and make all the changes? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== SVG images ==
I get this error when I try to include an SVG image I uploaded on a page:

::Error creating thumbnail: /usr/bin/rsvg: not found

Solution? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 02:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

User:Lexicon/test2

2010-05-02T02:36:39Z

Lexicon:

User:Lexicon/test2

2010-05-02T02:26:15Z

Lexicon:

{{User:Lexicon/test
| logo =
| type = Public
| industry = Stuff
| foundation =
| founder = Daniel Graystone
| headquarters = Caprica City, Caprica
| area_served = Twelve Colonies of Kobol
| key_people =
| products =
| services =
| owner =
| num_employees =
| parent =
| divisions =
| subsid =
}}

User:Lexicon/test

2010-05-02T02:24:40Z

Lexicon:

<includeonly>{| class="infobox"
|-
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="2" style="text-align: center; font-size: larger;" | '''{{{title|{{PAGENAME}}}}}'''
|- class="hiddenStructure{{{logo|}}}"
| colspan="2" style="text-align: center;" | [[Image:{{{logo|}}}|200px|{{{title|{{PAGENAME}}}}}]] {{#if:{{{caption|}}}| {{{caption|}}}|}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{type|}}}"
| '''Type'''
| {{{type}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{industry|}}}"
| '''Industry'''
| {{{industry}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{foundation|}}}"
| '''Founded'''
| {{{foundation}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{founder|}}}"
| '''Founder(s)'''
| {{{founder}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{headquarters|}}}"
| '''Headquarters'''
| {{{headquarters}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{area_served|}}}"
| '''Area served'''
| {{{area_served}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{key_people|}}}"
| '''Key people'''
| {{{key_people}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{products|}}}"
| '''Products'''
| {{{products}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{services|}}}"
| '''Services'''
| {{{services}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{owner|}}}"
| '''Owner(s)'''
| {{{owner}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{num_employees|}}}"
| '''Employees'''
| {{{num_employees}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{parent|}}}"
| '''Parent'''
| {{{parent}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{divisions|}}}"
| '''Divisions'''
| {{{divisions}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{subsid|}}}"
| '''Subsidiaries'''
| {{{subsid}}}
|}
</includeonly>
<noinclude>
= Documentation =
This template is used to place company info on a Battlestar Wiki article. It provides lower case parameters only.

== Usage ==
<pre>
{{Company
| logo =
| type =
| industry =
| foundation =
| founder =
| headquarters =
| area_served =
| key_people =
| products =
| services =
| owner =
| num_employees =
| parent =
| divisions =
| subsid =
}}
</pre>

User:Lexicon/test

2010-05-02T02:22:29Z

Lexicon:

<includeonly>{| class="infobox"
|-
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="2" style="text-align: center; font-size: larger;" | '''{{{title|{{PAGENAME}}}}}'''
|- class="hiddenStructure{{{logo|}}}"
| colspan="2" style="text-align: center;" | [[Image:{{{logo|}}}|200px|{{{title|{{PAGENAME}}}}}]] {{#if:{{{caption|}}}| {{{caption|}}}|}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{type|}}}"
| '''Type'''
| {{{type}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{industry|}}}"
| '''Industry'''
| {{{industry}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{foundation|}}}"
| '''Founded'''
| {{{foundation}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{founder|}}}"
| '''Founder(s)'''
| {{{founder}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{headquarters|}}}"
| '''Headquarters'''
| {{{headquarters}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{area_served|}}}"
| '''Area served'''
| {{{area_served}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{key_people|}}}"
| '''Key people'''
| {{{key_people}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{products|}}}"
| '''Products'''
| {{{products}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{services|}}}"
| '''Services'''
| {{{services}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{owner|}}}"
| '''Owner(s)'''
| {{{owner}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{num_employees|}}}"
| '''Employees'''
| {{{num_employees}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{parent|}}}"
| '''Parent'''
| {{{parent}}}
|- style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left;" class="hiddenStructure{{{divisions|}}}"
| '''Divisions'''
| {{{divisions}}}
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== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==

I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

== Proposition for new article ==

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}

: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question on editing etiquette ==

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
Jeff

== How Can This Not Be Canonical? ==

On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]]. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Caprican - Will We, Won't We ==

Hello all,

Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?

It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character. I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.

Thanks!
Glasswalker33

: I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

::As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account). How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --[[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

:::Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

::::Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== Question....Original Series ==

My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS
can anyone tell me what it means?
I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked {{unsigned|Snarky}}

: "Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Color of links to other wikis ==
I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore Memory Alpha] is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm very much in favor of this, too. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Cool. Two suggestions: Text Text. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]]
::: I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Love it already. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
: Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

==Citation Links, Templates and...other things==
I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting. I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page). Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so). This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests. Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write <nowiki>([[TRS]]: "[[33]]")</nowiki>, my idea would have them writing out <nowiki>({{TRS|33}})</nowiki>, you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica ==

Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why?
Thanks a lot, Joe -- {{unsigned|JoeCarr}}

: There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the [[Sacred Scrolls]] that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by [[Ben Stark]] of the [[Soldiers of the One]], who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== RDS / TRS ==

Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|the series article itself]] uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier. To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of ''Caprica'', we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the ''universe'' created by the Reimagined Series (including ''Caprica''), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans ''Caprica''). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::Ah. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Episode templates ==

I've created some simple templates like those on Memory Alpha for displaying episode titles with the appropriate prefixes and punctuation. They are:

*<nowiki>{{TRS}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{CAP}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{1980}}</nowiki>

However, as there's already a <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template (which has been a candidate for deletion for some time), I couldn't make that one.

The template can be used by simply putting an episode name after a bar, and can fit up to eight episode names. So <nowiki>{{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}</nowiki> produces {{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}. Will these be considered useful? And if so, can we get that other <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template gone so we can have a full set? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Not to splash acid on what you've done, but this was [[#Citation Links, Templates and...other things|brought up before]]. Now this is not to remind people that the decision made from that discussion is final (as it isn't), but I think it highlights something that most people do not consider. Feel free to further discuss. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

::Any idea what the "cost" of the use of such templates would be? And is there a way to substitute the results of templates instead of having the templates actually called? I thought that that was possible (I'm a regular Wikipedia editor and Admin). Further, are there no bot programmers around who could just whip up a script to crawl the wiki and make all the changes? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Rebel basestar

2010-04-27T01:10:41Z

Lexicon: lead -> led

{{Ship Data
| image= Rebellen Basisstern.jpg
| title= Rebel basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, [[Heavy Raider]]s, at least 3 Raiders, Colonial Vipers, Colonial Raptors
| status= Active. Now commanded by freed Centurions.
| img=
}}
The '''rebel basestar''' is one among many others in the Cylon fleet before a [[Cylon Civil War|civil war]] broke out, segregating a number of humanoid Cylon copies of models Six, Two, Eight, and later, a [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|lone Three]] from the others.

When [[Natalie]], a Six, proposes that they unbox the Threes to learn of the [[Final Five]] and has the [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed from the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to get the [[Number One|One]], [[Number Four|Four]] and [[Number Five|Five]] models to co-operate, other Cylon models, led by the Ones, object to the change, orchestrating an attack on basestars controlled by Natalie's faction. The attack occurs in a remote area far from a [[Resurrection Ship]] in an attempt to permanently kill its occupants ([[Six of One]], [[The Ties That Bind]]).

Natalie's basestar survives but is seriously damaged, its [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] complement all but destroyed, with only a few [[Heavy Raider]]s and at least 3 Raiders remaining. The ship is later found by the ''[[Demetrius]]'' crew, captained by [[Kara Thrace]]. They repair the basestar's [[FTL]] by cannibalizing Colonial [[datacord]] and other elements from a [[Raptor]]. To effect repair, however, the ship's [[Hybrid]] was taken offline. Another problem is that the basestar will have to jump to [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]] first, making the ship vulnerable against ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', but is saved after the ''Demetrius'' arrive to talk ''Galactica'' out of attacking the basestar, and they form an alliance to destroy the [[Resurrection Hub]]. ([[Faith]], [[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]])

Later, when the basestar's Hybrid was brought online, it repeatedly jumps the ship several times following the death of Natalie, quickly gaining on the Resurrection Hub. The basestar eventually finds the Hub and participates in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]] ([[The Hub]]).

[[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|Downloaded Three]] calls for the Final Four to join the rebels on the basestar, and only [[Tory Foster]] does so. After Three agrees to renew their alliance with the Colonials, the rebel basestar joins the Fleet on the final jump to Earth, only to find it in ruins ([[Revelations]]). [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] invites their Cylon allies to follow the Fleet to find a new home. Three maroons herself on Earth with the bones of her ancestors ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]). Despite not initially coming over with Foster, [[Galen Tyrol]] associates with his Cylon brethren to an increasing degree ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]).

Since joining the fleet, the ship is under repair, by using the [[Cylon organic resin|organic resin]] to restrengthen the hull, as well as rebuilding the missing outer edges of the ship ([[Deadlock]]).

When [[Felix Gaeta]] launches a [[The Oath|mutiny]] and seizes control of ''Galactica'', President Roslin and Gaius Baltar escape to the rebel basestar. Roslin convinces the Cylons to help her stop Gaeta. Subordinating themselves to her authority, they move the ship into the middle of the Fleet so that Gaeta cannot fire upon them without inflicting collateral damage upon the human ships. At the height of the situation, the rebel baseship prepares to engage ''Galactica'' under Roslin's command. Adama retakes ''Galactica'' and radios Roslin to stand down her (the basestar's) weapons ([[Blood on the Scales]]).

The basestar has firmly joined the Fleet, both militarilly and in government. The rebel Cylons elected a Six named [[Sonja]] to represent them in the new Quorum which is now made up of ship's captains instead of representatives of the Twelve Colonies. The basestar's heavy raiders and their pilot Sixes and Eights are integrated into ''Galactica''’s squadrons. As of "[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]", the baseship's autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]]s have not yet been similarly depicted.

[[Image:Centurions man baseship, "Daybreak, Part II".jpg|thumb|right|Cylon centurions man the former rebel baseship]]

When ''Galactica'' is abandoned, the Rebel Basestar will be the Fleet's new flagship. The Cylons, through Councilman Sonja Six, welcomed Admiral Adama to transfer his flag to the rebel basestar and have already accepted his command authority. Adama has directed Colonel Tigh to organize the relocation of ''Galactica''’s military personnel and equipment to the basestar within the week.

When Adama decides to rescue Hera Agathon, the Rebel Basestar is left behind under the command of Hoshi to protect the fleet while ''Galactica'' goes by itself to rescue Hera and battle Cavil's faction. After ''Galactica'' destroys the Colony and Cavil's faction, the basestar jumps to their location when the fleet is summoned by a dispatched Raptor.

When the Fleet discovers a habitable planet the Colonials decide to call "Earth," the rebel humanoid Cylons decide to join the humans in building a new civilization on this world. The basestar is left in the hands of the Centurions who are now free to seek out their own destiny. Although some, like President [[Romo Lampkin]] questioned the logic behind the decision, fearing potential retaliatory attacks by the Centurions on the undefended settlements of Earth, [[Ellen Tigh]] and Admiral [[William Adama]] felt that giving the Centurions their freedom would be enough to break the Cycle of violence. The Centurions depart in the rebel basestar - the only ship in the Fleet that is not abandoned and flown into the sun. The exact status of the freed Centurions and the basestar 150,000 years later is unknown. ([[Daybreak, Part II]])
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== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==

I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

== Proposition for new article ==

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}

: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question on editing etiquette ==

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
Jeff

== How Can This Not Be Canonical? ==

On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]]. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Caprican - Will We, Won't We ==

Hello all,

Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?

It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character. I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.

Thanks!
Glasswalker33

: I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

::As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account). How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --[[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

:::Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

::::Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== Question....Original Series ==

My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS
can anyone tell me what it means?
I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked {{unsigned|Snarky}}

: "Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Color of links to other wikis ==
I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore Memory Alpha] is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm very much in favor of this, too. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Cool. Two suggestions: Text Text. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]]
::: I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Love it already. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
: Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

==Citation Links, Templates and...other things==
I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting. I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page). Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so). This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests. Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write <nowiki>([[TRS]]: "[[33]]")</nowiki>, my idea would have them writing out <nowiki>({{TRS|33}})</nowiki>, you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica ==

Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why?
Thanks a lot, Joe -- {{unsigned|JoeCarr}}

: There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the [[Sacred Scrolls]] that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by [[Ben Stark]] of the [[Soldiers of the One]], who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== RDS / TRS ==

Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|the series article itself]] uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier. To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of ''Caprica'', we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the ''universe'' created by the Reimagined Series (including ''Caprica''), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans ''Caprica''). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::Ah. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Episode templates ==

I've created some simple templates like those on Memory Alpha for displaying episode titles with the appropriate prefixes and punctuation. They are:

*<nowiki>{{TRS}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{CAP}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{1980}}</nowiki>

However, as there's already a <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template (which has been a candidate for deletion for some time), I couldn't make that one.

The template can be used by simply putting an episode name after a bar, and can fit up to eight episode names. So <nowiki>{{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}</nowiki> produces {{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}. Will these be considered useful? And if so, can we get that other <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template gone so we can have a full set? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

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== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==

I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

== Proposition for new article ==

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}

: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question on editing etiquette ==

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
Jeff

== How Can This Not Be Canonical? ==

On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]]. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Caprican - Will We, Won't We ==

Hello all,

Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?

It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character. I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.

Thanks!
Glasswalker33

: I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

::As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account). How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --[[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

:::Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

::::Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== Question....Original Series ==

My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS
can anyone tell me what it means?
I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked {{unsigned|Snarky}}

: "Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Color of links to other wikis ==
I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore Memory Alpha] is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm very much in favor of this, too. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Cool. Two suggestions: Text Text. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]]
::: I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Love it already. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
: Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

==Citation Links, Templates and...other things==
I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting. I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page). Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so). This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests. Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write <nowiki>([[TRS]]: "[[33]]")</nowiki>, my idea would have them writing out <nowiki>({{TRS|33}})</nowiki>, you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica ==

Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why?
Thanks a lot, Joe -- {{unsigned|JoeCarr}}

: There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the [[Sacred Scrolls]] that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by [[Ben Stark]] of the [[Soldiers of the One]], who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== RDS / TRS ==

Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|the series article itself]] uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier. To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of ''Caprica'', we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the ''universe'' created by the Reimagined Series (including ''Caprica''), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans ''Caprica''). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::Ah. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

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Senior Staff of Galactica

2010-04-26T22:37:37Z

Lexicon: /* Commander, Air Group */ this appointment wasn't posthumous, it was on her deathbed

== Present Senior Staff ==

=== CIC ===

*Admiral [[William Adama]] - Commanding officer
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] - [[Executive officer]]
*Captain [[Kara Thrace]] - [[Commander Air Group]]
*Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]] - Senior Officer of the Watch/Tactical officer
*Unknown (Formerly Lieutenant Hoshi) - [[Communications officer]]

=== Support ===

*Major [[Sherman Cottle]] - [[Chief Medical Officer]]

=== [[Marines|Marines]] ===

*Lieutenant [[Terry Burrell]] (seen only in "[[Sacrifice]]")
*[[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Unnamed lieutenant]] (seen only in "[[Escape Velocity]]" and "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]")

== Chain of Command ==

The current commander of ''Galactica'' is Admiral Adama, and second-in-command is Colonel Tigh (Tigh has retained this position despite the revelation that he is one of the [[Final Five]] Cylons). Captain Karl Agathon has risen to third-in-command and has frequently filled in as executive officer. Beyond that the hierarchy is unclear. Major [[Cottle|Cottle]] is a medical officer and outside of the chain of command, and Captain [[Aaron Kelly|Aaron Kelly]]'s detention ("[[The Son Also Rises|The Son Also Rises]]") presumably removes him from the order of precedence.

== Position Histories ==

=== Commanding Officer ===

*Commander William Adama ([[Miniseries]] to "[[Scattered]]") - Injured after assassination attempt
*Colonel Saul Tigh, Acting ("Scattered" to "[[The Farm]]") - Relinquishes command after Commander Adama returns to duty
*Commander, later Admiral William Adama ("The Farm" to "[[Sine Qua Non]]") - Promoted to admiral by President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] ("[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]"). During this period, Adama's flag briefly fell under the command of Rear Admiral [[Helena Cain]] although Adama retained basic operational command of ''Galactica'' ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" to "Resurrection Ship, Part II").
*Colonel (temporarily Admiral) Saul Tigh ("Sine Qua Non" to "[[Revelations]]") - Adama resigns position temporarily to search for Roslin
*Admiral William Adama ("[[Revelations]]" to "[[The Oath]]") - Adama returns to the Fleet, is deposed in a mutiny
*Lieutenant (unofficially, Commander) Felix Gaeta, ''de facto'' ("[[The Oath]]" to "[[Blood on the Scales]]") - Gaeta siezes command in a mutiny as part of a ''coup d'etat'' led by [[Tom Zarek]].
*Admiral William Adama ("[[Blood on the Scales]]" to "[[Daybreak, Part II]]") - Adama regains command by force; Gaeta is executed for mutiny.

=== Executive Officer ===

*Colonel Saul Tigh ([[Miniseries]] to "[[Scattered]]") - Assumes command when Commander Adama is injured during an assassination attempt
*Captain Aaron Kelly, Acting ("Scattered" to "[[The Farm]]") - Returns to regular duties when Commander Adama resumes command
*Colonel Saul Tigh ("The Farm" to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") - Relocates to [[New Caprica|New Caprica]]
*Captain Karl Agathon ("[[Occupation]]" to "[[The Passage]]") - Colonel Tigh resumes post
*Colonel Saul Tigh ("The Passage" to present. Interrupted by a short leave of absence in "[[Crossroads, Part I]] & [[Crossroads, Part II|II]]" and by temporary Fleet command from "[[Sine Qua Non]]" to "[[Revelations]]")

=== Tactical officer ===

*Lieutenant Felix Gaeta ([[Miniseries]] to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") - Relocates to New Caprica (working as aide to President [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]])
*Lieutenant Karl Agathon ("Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II") - Promoted to XO
*Captain Aaron Kelly ("[[Occupation]]" to "[[The Passage]]") - Gaeta resumes post
*Lieutenant Felix Gaeta ("The Passage" to "[[Six of One]]") - Joined crew of the ''Demetrius''
*Lieutenant Louis Hoshi ("[[The Ties That Bind]]" to "[[Sine Qua Non]]") - Gaeta resumes his duties after sufficiently recovering from his leg amputation
*Lieutenant Felix Gaeta ("[[Revelations]]" to "[[The Oath]]") - Gaeta take command of ''Galactica'' in a mutiny.
*Specialist Gage, ''de facto'' ("[[The Oath]]" to "[[Blood on the Scales]]") - Takes the position briefly under Gaeta and later arrested.
*Lieutenant Louis Hoshi (''[[No Exit]]'' to "[[Daybreak, Part II]]") - Gaeta is executed.

=== Communications Officer ===

*Petty Officer 2nd Class Anastasia Dualla ([[Miniseries]] to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") - Promoted to XO of [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]
*Unknown ("[[Occupation|Occupation]]" to "[[Exodus, Part II]]")
*Lieutenant Hoshi ("[[Collaborators]]" to "[[Six of One]]") - Reassigned to Tactical Officer
*Unknown ("[[The Ties That Bind]]" to "[[Sine Qua Non]]") - Hoshi resumes his duties
*Lieutenant Hoshi ("[[No Exit]]" to "[[Daybreak, Part II]]") - Reassigned to Tactical Officer

=== Commander, Air Group ===

*Major [[Jackson Spencer]] ([[Miniseries]]) - Killed in Action
*Captain [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries to "[[The Captain's Hand]]") - Promoted to CO of ''Pegasus''
*Captain [[George Birch]] ("[[Home, Part I]]" to "[[Home, Part II]]") - Temporary replacement for Captain Adama
*Captain [[Kara Thrace]] ("[[Downloaded]]" to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") - Relocates to New Caprica
*Captain [[Louanne Katraine]] ("Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II" to "[[Collaborators]]") - Demoted when Major Adama resumes post. Symbolic appointment ([[The Passage]])
*Major Lee Adama ("[[Torn]]" to "[[The Son Also Rises]]") - Re-assigned as head of security for [[Romo Lampkin]]
*Captain Karl Agathon ("The Son Also Rises" to "[[Six of One]]". Interrupted by a temporary stint as XO to replace Col. Tigh in "[[Crossroads, Part I]] & [[Crossroads, Part II|II]]") - Joins crew of the ''Demetrius''
*Unknown ("[[The Ties That Bind]]" to "[[Faith]]") - ''Demetrius'' returns
*Captain Karl Agathon ("[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]") - Joins [[Resurrection Hub]] strike force
*Captain Kara Thrace ("[[Sine Qua Non]]" to "[[Daybreak, Part II]]")

=== Chief Medical Officer ===

*Major Cottle ([[Miniseries]] to present, with the exception of his relocation to New Caprica)
*Unknown ("[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" to "[[Exodus, Part II]]")

=== Chief of the Deck ===

*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]] ([[Miniseries]] to "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]") - Replaced by ''Pegasus's'' deck chief
*Chief Petty Officer [[Peter Laird]] ("Pegasus" to "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]") - Laird reassigned to ''Pegasus''
*Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol ("[[Epiphanies]]" to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") - Relocates to New Caprica
*Unknown ("Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II" to "[[Exodus, Part II]]") - Tyrol resumes post
*Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol ("[[Collaborators]]" to "[[Escape Velocity]]") - Demoted by Admiral Adama
*Chief Petty Officer Peter Laird ("Escape Velocity" to "[[The Oath]]") - killed by [[Tom Zarek]]
*Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol ("[[No Exit]]" to "[[Daybreak, Part II]]") - Reinstated by Admiral Adama

=== Master-at-Arms ===

*Sergeant [[Hadrian]] (Presumably [[Miniseries]] to "[[Daybreak, Part II]]", but last mentioned in "[[Valley of Darkness]]")

=== Landing Signal Officer ===

*Captain Aaron Kelly ("[[Miniseries]]" to "[[Scattered]]") - Re-assigned as acting XO
*Unknown ("Scattered" to "[[The Farm]]") - Aaron Kelly resumes post
*Captain Aaron Kelly ("The Farm" to "[[Exodus, Part I]]") - Re-assigned as tactical officer
*Unknown ("Exodus, Part I" to "[[Exodus, Part II]]") - Aaron Kelly resumes post
*Captain Aaron Kelly ("[[Collaborators]]" to "[[The Son Also Rises]]") - Put in detention with charges pending
:''Afterwards unknown''

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Louanne Katraine

2010-04-26T22:35:28Z

Lexicon: not posthumously CAG, and add viper pilot as position in infobox

: ''If you were looking for the entry on cats in general, see: [[Cat]].''

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'''Louanne "Kat" Katraine''' was the assumed name of a young woman named Sasha, a drug runner on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] with flying experience ([[The Passage]]). She is selected as a candidate pilot ("[[nugget]]") for [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] training under the command of Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] ([[Act of Contrition]]). While she is a new pilot, she has a taste for fighting, and is often on the front lines when ''[[Galactica]]'' engages [[Cylon (RDM)|Cylon]] forces. She becomes ''Galactica''' [[CAG]] during the colonization and occupation period of [[New Caprica]].

She is headstrong, arrogant and assertive, which are traits she shares with Starbuck, and the two clash frequently. At the same time, Katraine is loyal to her friends and always tries to protect the pilots around and under her from dangers or perceived injustices.

Katraine dies after receiving cumulatively fatal radiation exposure while escorting civilian ships through a star cluster to a planet with a food source ([[The Passage]]).

== Biography ==

Katraine's real name is actually Sasha. She took the name "Louanne Katraine" from a girl who died two days before [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|the attack]]. She was a drug runner in the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] working for a person named [[Enzo]] ([[The Passage]]).

Katraine is selected from relative obscurity to become one of ''[[Galactica]]'''s first intake of trainee pilots after 13 experienced pilots were killed in a freak accident ([[Act of Contrition]]).

Described as a "boonie jumper", Katraine is placed under the instruction of [[Kara Thrace]], alongside nugget pilots [[Brendan Costanza]] and [[Donald Perry]], with whom she forms a friendship.

Thrown in at the deep end - flying [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] on their very first day of training, none of the nuggets perform particularly well - Kat in particular fails to make a [[combat landing]] on ''Galactica''. Thrace washes out the entire group of candidates until Commander [[William Adama]] later forces Thrace to reinstate them.

Katraine's training continues until she is selected to fly with [[Lee Adama]] during a raid to secure a [[tylium]] mine from the Cylons ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). Her fellow nuggets [[Donald Perry]] and [[Stepchild]] are killed in this action, but she and [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] survive and are greeted as heroes on their return to ''Galactica''.

Kat participates in the defense of ''Galactica'' when the battlestar becomes separated from [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], and has to face down a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in order to relocate it ([[Scattered]]).

After Lee Adama's defection to the [[Laura Roslin faction]], his replacement, the newly promoted Captain [[George Birch]] negligently endangers Katraine during a training exercise. She is almost killed when Birch incorrectly directs her to attack an asteroid target as [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] fires a missile at the target. Katraine's improving piloting skills save her from a dangerous collision with debris ([[Home, Part I]]).

Kat is later promoted from cadet to the rank of lieutenant. She becomes increasingly exhausted with the mounting pressures of service in the Fleet with long hours, constant danger, and no possiblity of reinforcement. While trying to combat her fatigue, Kat becomes dependent on [[stims]], of which the effects of their overuse make her emotionally unstable. She "moons" a documentary crew for her "buddies" on [[Freighter 212]], berates Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] for mechanical failures that are beyond his control, and later crashes her Viper into the [[landing bay]], totalling the vehicle ("[[Final Cut]]", "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]"). She is pulled from flight status for some time, but is reinstated by the time that the advanced battlestar ''Pegasus'' joins the Fleet , when she flies wingman to [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] on [[Combat Air Patrol|CAP]] when first contact is made with ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''.

In the wake of Admiral Cain's integration of ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''' officers, Kat appears to have been made the acting-CAG of ''Galactica'' flight team. With Starbuck and Apollo both transferred to ''Pegasus'' and the failure of Cpt. [[George Birch]] as [[CAG]] during Lee Adama's absence, Katraine appears to be the most likely choice to fill the command vacuum. She is flight leader of the Viper wing that stands off against the ''Pegasus'' Vipers. In spite of making repeated requests for firing clearance, she manages to keep the situation from degenerating into a fire fight, and avoids several collision attempts in the fighters' deadly "chicken" game, each attempting to force the other side to fire first ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).

On day 189 of the human exodus, Kat is assigned CAP with [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]. Kat's maturity and past insensitivity show growth when Starbuck orders her to stop her small talk about Starbuck's off-hours behavior, which Kat does so without skipping a beat and returns to business by requesting permission to do a weapons check. As Kat test-fires her Viper's guns, an ammo misfire destroys Kat's port gun and sends debris at Starbuck's Viper, cracking her cockpit window. The two declare an emergency and safely return to ''Galactica.'' The cause of the malfunction was soon determined to be sabotage later blamed on a civilian ammunition worker that is part of the [[Demand Peace]] movement ([[Epiphanies]]).

Katraine is more than personally upset with Starbuck's apparent behavior issues. While Kat obviously admires Kara Thrace, she tires quickly of Starbuck's drinking and bragging, which is affecting her work, and in turn affecting the pilots, especially the [[nugget]]s. Fed up with Starbuck's lording over the "Top Gun" beer stein as well as the rampaging Raider ace known as "[[Scar (Raider)|Scar]]," Kat makes a bet with Starbuck on who will destroy the morale-sucking Raider first.

Kat manages pilot combat reviews, having become a highly skilled tactical pilot herself. She grimaces at Starbuck's inefficiencies and chimes in often to correct or chide Starbuck, much to Thrace's chagrin. Things come to a head in their rivalry when Kat openly criticizes Starbuck for substituting [[Jo-Jo]] for patrol rather than flying herself (she awoke that morning hungover and unable to fly). Jo-Jo and his wingman are both killed, and Kat is incensed. But instead of Starbuck delivering the first punch, it's Kat that delivers it. Their fight is interrupted by Captain [[Lee Adama|Adama]], who orders them on patrol near the [[Big Spud]]. Kat and Starbuck find Scar, and Starbuck's Viper is damaged in a near-successful ambush. The consummate wingman, Kat continually speaks to Starbuck to get a bearing, although Starbuck resists out of pride rather than working jointly to destroy Scar. When Starbuck realizes that because of [[Samuel Anders]] she doesn't want to die in order to take Scar with her, she guides Kat in to her position, where Kat delivers the killing blow to Scar.

[[Image:Kat Scar.JPG|thumb|right|Kat triumphant ([[Scar]]).]]
Kat chides Starbuck once more in the pilot's recreation room as she holds the Top Gun mug. Starbuck pours champagne in the mug and tells Kat, "You've earned it." Kat's slight smile in response is not only that of smugness, but also that of honor - for Starbuck to tell her that she was (at least for the time being) the best - is pleasing as a master would compliment a student ([[Scar]]). Kat's smugness is short-lived, as Starbuck offers a toast to all the pilots who died during their flight from the colonies. Overwhelmed with the memory of lost comrades, Kat nearly bursts into tears.

By the time of the Cylon invasion of [[New Caprica]], with Lee Adama in command of ''Pegasus'' and Kara Thrace having left the fleet and settled planetside, Katraine has been promoted to ''Galactica'''s [[CAG]] ([[Exodus, Part I]]). During the [[Battle of New Caprica]], she leads a group of Vipers escorting decoy [[Raptor]]s, and presumably assists in the defense of ''Galactica'' in the following space battle ([[Exodus, Part II]]). Following the destruction of ''Pegasus'', Lee Adama returns to ''Galactica'' and replaces Katraine as the CAG, who in turn becomes a squadron leader ("[[Torn]]", "[[The Passage]]").

[[Image:Promo - The Passage - Kat.jpg|thumb|left|One of Kat's final moments ([[The Passage]]).]]
During a food shortage throughout the fleet, ''Galactica'''s pilots are tasked with safely guiding the civilian ships through a highly radioactive star cluster to a food source on the other side. During this time Katraine encounters [[Enzo]], who survived the attack and calls her by her real name, Sasha. Enzo confronts Katraine and threatens to reveal Kat's past to others unless she helps him. Thrace observes the argument and later confronts Enzo about it, who in turn reveals Katraine's secret to Thrace. Katraine confirms it to Thrace, who is angered over the secret, even suggesting that Kat could have possibly unknowingly aiding the Cylons in their infiltration of Caprica. Katraine begs Thrace not to tell Admiral Adama, saying that she wants to tell him herself.

Before the final trip through the passage, Katraine, who had already received a deadly dose of radiation on earlier trips, switches radiation badges with Helo. During the final trip, she loses track of the ''[[Faru Sadin]]'', but remains in the passage until she finds the vessel and joins the rest of the Fleet on the other side. Upon landing, Katraine is celebrated as a hero, but then succumbs to radiation poisoning and collapses on the flight deck.

On her deathbed, Katraine summons Thrace for a final reconciliation, and receives from Thrace an apology and a supply of [[sleeping pills]], enough for an overdose that would allow her to die painlessly. Admiral Adama also comes to visit Katraine and informs her of her promotion to CAG again. Kat tries telling him the truth about her past, but he cuts her off, saying he doesn't need to know any more than what she did while serving under him. He pulls up a chair to sit watch over her, and comforts her with how the sickbay reminds him of when his son, [[Zak Adama|Zak]], was born, and how he and Carolanne had wanted a girl. After Katraine's death, Admiral Adama symbolically replaces Lee Adama's name with hers in the pilot roster board's CAG slot while the pilots observe in silence. Thrace goes to the [[memorial hallway|wall of remembrance]] and adds Katraine's photo ([[The Passage]]).

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==Notes==
*Katraine's assumed first name, Louanne, was revealed in the episode "[[Final Cut]]" during her interview with [[D'Anna Biers]], although it is spelled as "Louann" in the closing credits (as it did before in "[[Home, Part I]]"). The spelling is corrected from "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]" on out.
*It was initially assumed that some of Kat's family may have survived the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], as implied when Kat shouted "Hi, Mom!" while waving into the camera in "[[Final Cut]]". However, given what was revealed in "[[The Passage]]", it may have been fictitious.
*Kat is featured in the XBOX 360 ''Battlestar Galactica'' game as one of the pilots the player competes with to shoot down the most ships and become ''Galactica'''s new top gun.
*In the DVD commentary for "[[Act of Contrition]]", David Eick and Ron D. Moore elaborate on the increased role of the nugget pilots as the series progressed:

:Eick: This young actress playing Kat has proven to be--and there's Bodie Olmos, Eddie's son, in the center there who's Hot Dog, he's also become a recurring character.
:RDM: Well those three in the front, [[Donald Perry|Chuckles]], [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]], and Kat, they all became "pilots" to us. And I don't think we really had any expectation of that. The idea was we were going to do "the nuggets", "the new pilots", was just going to be its own kind of story, and ''maybe'' you might see one of these guys again later. And what started happening is the writers just started putting them in, like almost every scene that we dealt with the pilots (of Galactica) so these ''became'' our "recognizable faces".
:Eick: Kat is quite fine. She's someone we're now talking about, and have already, built into a much more prominent character. She's just a really, really talented actor, and she's someone who in a very different way than Katee (Starbuck), just exemplifies that sort of masculine fortitude, despite being a woman, that is required to be a pilot like this. In one of the upcoming episodes ([[Scar]]), we're actually going to deal with the tension between Kara Thrace and Kat.
:RDM: Yeah, what happens when your protege starts outdistancing you. What happens when you train this young pilot, and it's great that she's a hot shot and all that, and then wait a minute, what if she starts being better than you?
*The [[:Image:Memorial8.jpg|current picture]] of Kat was the one placed on the [[memorial hallway]] ([[The Passage]])

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== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==

I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

== Proposition for new article ==

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}

: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question on editing etiquette ==

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
Jeff

== How Can This Not Be Canonical? ==

On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]]. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Caprican - Will We, Won't We ==

Hello all,

Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?

It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character. I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.

Thanks!
Glasswalker33

: I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

::As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account). How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --[[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

:::Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

::::Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== Question....Original Series ==

My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS
can anyone tell me what it means?
I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked {{unsigned|Snarky}}

: "Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Color of links to other wikis ==
I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore Memory Alpha] is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm very much in favor of this, too. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Cool. Two suggestions: Text Text. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]]
::: I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Love it already. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
: Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

==Citation Links, Templates and...other things==
I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting. I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page). Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so). This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests. Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write <nowiki>([[TRS]]: "[[33]]")</nowiki>, my idea would have them writing out <nowiki>({{TRS|33}})</nowiki>, you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica ==

Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why?
Thanks a lot, Joe -- {{unsigned|JoeCarr}}

: There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the [[Sacred Scrolls]] that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by [[Ben Stark]] of the [[Soldiers of the One]], who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== RDS / TRS ==

Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|the series article itself]] uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier. To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Louanne Katraine/Archive 1

2010-04-26T21:54:40Z

Lexicon: /* "posthumous promotion" to CAG in infobox */ new section

==Character Guide Pic==
I wonder if there wouldn't be a couple of pretty good character pic opportunities for her during "Final Cut". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:22, 24 January 2006 (EST)
:I would think "[[Scar]]" would have even better opportunities; hopefully someone will step up. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:22, 8 February 2006 (EST)
::[http://galactica.emedian.net/ Dr Bat's Source] has an interesting one of her doing the "equilibrium" firing drill (under the "Episodic" photography). However, it's not much of a face closeup, and I'm not 100% sure on the copyright status of those shots (as cool as they are). They look too good to be screenshots, so if they are really promo photos then I think we'd be ok. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:40, 8 February 2006 (EST)
:::From [http://galactica.emedian.net Dark Thoughts]: "All Battlestar Galactica images and videos © NBC and Universal Television.", which means the copyright is the same as for screenshots, so go for it. --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 04:40, 15 February 2006 (EST)

== What did Kara Realize? ==

I think I agree with <del>Ricimer</del> The Merovingian. Kara didn't realize that she was being destructive because of Anders... Anders is fraking up her normally destructive mentality. She didn't realize ''jack'' while in the cockpit. All she knew at the time was that she chickened out. Later, while sparing with Karl, he pinpointed why she chickened out. It's not like Kara was normal before meeting Anders. Before meeting him, she'd have gone on in and been blown up. After meeting him, she's become a bit more sane and she doesn't know how to handle that. I'll wait for responses before reverting, but I think The Merovingian (who sorely needs a name I can call him that's much shorter) and I had identical interpretations of the final few minutes of "[[Scar]]". --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:48, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:A) Agreed. I don't think Spencerian's assesment was right: Starbuck "chickened out" (prudently protected her own life) because, as they stated in dialog at the end, she has Anders to live for now, etc. etc.

:B) Why? You seem to have little difficultly in typing "The Merovingian" at present. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:55, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:: Re: B - Well, I use "Day" partly because it is a short, short word. You may've noticed I refer to [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] as simply "Joe", [[User: Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] as simply "Peter", [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] as "Spence" and [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] as "SV". That may be a bit too many examples, but I'm trying to establish a pattern of typing laziness. If push comes to shove, I may start calling you "M" or something... "The Frenchman" is just as long, see... Anyway. That's the long answer. I guess the short answer would be, "Because I can't be bothered." *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:21, 8 February 2006 (EST)
:::Frenchy? ;) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 07:39, 8 February 2006 (EST)

All: There's no problem in updating or revising my intepretation, especially given the insightful explanation in this thread. Please, just type it in so that it doesn't read like my 9-year old son wrote it, thanks.

And I have already selected "Merv" for the M's short name, which is very obvious to me (and any Matrix fan). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:39, 8 February 2006 (EST)

Indeed. Yes, "Club Hel" scene, mexican standoff bit, etc. etc. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]]

===Acting CAG?===
Admittedly I am no expert on military nuances so correct my confusion if you can: Kat was leading the Vipers sent against Pegasus in Resurrection Ship part I, but does that mean she was the actual, promoted "CAG"? I mean, a pilot cannot be awake or expected to be capable of flyint 24 hours a day, so logically, at times they lead flight missions during which the actual "CAG" is not "leading the planes". We don't really know ''who'' Galactica CAG was after Apollo got transfered. Just thought I'd bring it up. Of course, I actually think the current idea of saying she was "presumed" in the link box is actually our best choice of action, and I actually don't see a better way of saying any of this. Just thought I'd bring it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:34, 25 March 2006 (CST)
: Kara was stationed on pegaus at the time. If the leader of a sqaud is not contacted who is then? A polit with less rank? She must have been acting CAG or even just CAG after the transfer. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:14, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::Well I guess that would depend on whether we consider Starbuck acting CAG during "Bastille Day" for example, but I don't think so. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:19, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::I would say she was a CAG at that time. She is conducting the meeting, and that who the CAG is... someone even if it is so such a short time... bears that title. everyone keeps their title, even past retirment. (i.e. Retired Soilders keep their rank, unless revoked by a Dishonarble Dischange.) It's almost like if I were the Governor of a State, and after I left office, I would still be called Governor. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:22, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::I would say the difference between Kat in "Resurrection Ship" and Starbuck in "Bastille Day" is that in RS, Kat's superiors had been transferred off-ship in an official capacity and weren't realistically expected to return; whereas the hostage crisis in "Bastille Day" was probably expected to be defused one way or another. Thus, in my mind, Kat was actually acting CAG in "Resurrection Ship", whereas Starbuck was just filling in in "Bastille Day". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 09:39, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::...No, CAG is nothing like that. It's a position not a rank; note that when Apollo is no longer CAG at various times, he is ''not'' called "CAG". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:29, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::In the Navy, CAGs don't fly every mission. Any of the experienced pilots can lead missions, even if it was an Alpha strike (every attack and fighter craft launching to attack one target). CAGs do tend to fly missions just to keep up there flight hours. A good book that really shows the life of a CAG is Stephen Coonts' "Final Flight." CAG is as much an administration post as a combat one. Kat wouldn't have to be a CAG to command a mission like that. Also, if a CAG is unable to perform, and another is unavailable, the senior squadron commander would fill his shoes. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:00, 26 March 2006 (CST)

::::Thank you, Talos. Hm, you have a book source and that sounds kind of official to me, so I guess I'll edit the article. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:53, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::Because everything has to be spelled out and everyone has their own option,

:::::''Commander, Air Group, or CAG, refers to the senior officer responsible for air operations aboard an aircraft carrier of the U.S. Navy. The term traces its origins to 1938 when the first Carrier Air Group was formed. Air Groups were redesignated as Carrier Air Wings, or CVWs in the 1970s, but the head of the air wing is still referred to as the CAG.On a Royal Navy aircraft carrier, the equivalent is the Commander (Air).''

:::::Anyone, even if are acting is considered reponsible. I beleive she was the one asking for permission to fire. Not other pilots. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:07, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::::That just means she was the leader of the mission. If Starbuck was leading a flight of 10 Vipers and Apollo was on Galactica doing paperwork, she wouldn't be CAG but would still lead the flight. Now Kat could be the CAG but we are just never told one way or another. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:15, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::::By that time Lee (Lt.) was in a Raptor, and Kara was coming back from the Reserrection Ship Recon. How could any one of those two people be CAG while they were not even on board Galalcita nor under Galalcicia control at the time? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:27, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::::::I'm saying that Kat was a junior pilot. Any of the surviving pilots from before the attack would be more senior than her. If she wasn't the CAG, it's quite possible that it was a Raptor pilot. For all we know, Cain assigned a Pegasus pilot as CAG and he refused to fight his own ship (just speculation). --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:36, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::::::Fair point. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:11, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::::::Good points, Talos. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:31, 26 March 2006 (CST)

==Smug?==

"Kat chides Starbuck once more in the pilot's recreation room as she held the Top Gun mug. Starbuck pours champagne in the mug and tells Kat, "You've earned it." Kat's slight smile in response was not that of __smugness__, but that of honor--for Starbuck to tell her that she was (at least for the time being) the best--is pleasing as a master would compliment a student (Scar). Kat's __smugness__ was short-lived, as Starbuck offered a toast to all the pilots who have died during their flight from the colonies. Overwhelmed with the memory of lost comrades, Kat nearly burst into tears. {{unsigned|Niethan}}"
To clarify: is she smug or not? [[User:Niethan|Niethan]] 11:53, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

:That was my interpretation of the matter. Emotions were running high there, and even Commander Adama is grinning there, apparently aware of the mercurial nature of having to hand over the Top Gun mug when you're bested. Kat's grin might be more of "smug satisfaction" than merely the "nah-nah" teasing grin that Starbuck uses. The differences are small, I'll admit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

::Saying she isn't smug then saying the opposite ten words later is plain bad style, not a matter of interpretation ;) [[User:Niethan|Niethan]] 12:19, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

==Kat's rank==

Does anyone have a screenshot of her with Captain's insignia? I only have relatively low-res video files, but in "Torn" when she walks across the hangar deck at the beginning, she wears Lt. pips as far as I can tell.
:If I remember correctly, Kat's Viper Mk VII was marked "Lt. Louanne Katraine" during the mock dogfight scene. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:44, 9 November 2006 (CST)
::Are Lt.s and Lt. JG's marked differently on Vipers? For, in [http://www.caprica-city.de/users/pedda/kat/newcag.jpg this picture] - which was probably taken during the production of early season 3 episodes - Kat wears Lt. JG insignia. - [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 16:48, 9 November 2006 (CST)
::Watching over the mock dogfight scene, her rank/name/callsign are never shown on the Viper. It still looks to me like in the hangar deck and in the pilot's lounge, she's wearing Captain insignia. However, based on the above photo and no hard evidence that she's a Captain, I'm putting her rank in the article back to Lieutenant. - [[User:Ratamacue|Ratamacue]] 17:42, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:::I was specifically looking for her rank on friday when I watched it last, and I'm sure you can barely see her rank, at least a -T. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:37, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:::You can see her name plate for a very short while, but you need a high quality source to decipher anything on it --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:34, 10 November 2006 (CST)
::::Yes, the only nameplate you can clearly see is Apollo's. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:51, 10 November 2006 (CST)
:::Look at the [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000q38zc promo picture] from "The Passage" - I see some chevrons sticking out of the pin, but I can't tell if it's full Lieutenant or Captain. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 22:21, 16 November 2006 (CST)
::::Good catch. (I got carried away by the wonderful looks and composition, and totally missed the pin.) There are two chevrons sticking out on each side, so Kat's either Captain or Major. I think we can assume she will be Captain, because there are only four people in the fleet who hold a rank of Major or higher (Bill, Saul, Cottle, Lee). --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 02:09, 17 November 2006 (CST)
::::It's a Captain's pin. Major is 3 chevrons. So I'd say she's promoted some time in the next few episodes --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:::::I think she was promoted to Captain some time ago, only we don't know about it yet (Helo's case, anyone?). Every Galactica's or Pegasus' CAG was either Captain (Apollo, Starbuck, Stinger) or Major (Apollo, Ripper) and Kat was Galactica's CAG for a few months, too. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 13:06, 17 November 2006 (CST)
::::::[http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c347/cgtgraphics/Luciana%20Carro%20Caps/luci_torn_11.jpg These two] [http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c347/cgtgraphics/Luciana%20Carro%20Caps/luci_torn_12.jpg screen caps] are from "Torn". Is it just me or can you see something like two chevrons sticking out, too?
:::::::Yeah, it seems like she's Captain for some time now. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 13:13, 21 November 2006 (CST)

== Name change? ==

Now that we realize she is not Louanne Katraine, maybe we should change the name of the article to her ''real'' name. That way it be properly documented. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:33, 9 December 2006 (CST)
* Naw. I vote against it. "Louanne Katraine" is what she is commonly known as, not "Sasha." "Louanne Katraine" is even legally her name, having all the documentation. "Louanne Katraine" is what the character is known by to the viewers, therefore that's what she should be documented in this encyclopedia as. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 01:35, 9 December 2006 (CST)
*I agree, though I think the info should be made into chronological order (so the stuff about her being a drug runner would be at the start of the article). --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 06:42, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:We could always make a redirect of Sasha to here and mention the name issue in the opening paragraph of the article. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 08:49, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Done! -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 19:10, 9 December 2006 (CST)

==Spelling of real name==
Everyone's been spelling Kat's real name "Sasha", but the closed caption spells it "Sacha". I know CC isn't a most reliable source, but is there any official sources that back up or refute this? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 08:02, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:My cousin once removed is called Sacha. I think that's the traditional spelling. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:05, 20 December 2006 (CST)

== Picture missing ==

What happened to "Season 3 - Promo - The Passage - Kat.jpg"? I think it was Kat leaning against a wall. Was that deleted for a reason? I can't find it on MediaWiki anymore. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:37, 21 January 2007 (CST)
:The deletion log at the media repo says that Shane deleted it on the 14th. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:10, 21 January 2007 (CST)
::Doh. Totally forgot about the log. For reason it says "huh? removed cropped version". So it seems to have been a lowres picture. But I don't think there is a highres version uploaded yet. Should I just do that? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:19, 21 January 2007 (CST)
:::If you have one go for it, it was a low-res shot. You can always upload to a different name in case Shane is going to upload it again. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:26, 21 January 2007 (CST)

== "posthumous promotion" to CAG in infobox ==

Kat was made CAG by Admiral Adama prior to her death. While the magnets on the board may not have been changed until after her death, that doesn't mean she wasn't CAG until that point. Furthermore, as CAG is a position and not a rank, one cannot be "promoted" to it, and I would argue that one cannot even be appointed to that position posthumously in the way that one can be promoted in rank posthumously. The magnet change was clearly a purely ceremonial act (and while the deathbed appointment was primarily ceremonial as well, there's no arguing that an appointment by the Admiral while still alive is official). I'm going to change the infobox to show "briefly" or something similar, instead. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 21:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Gaius Baltar

2010-04-21T22:00:37Z

Lexicon: /* Among the Cylons */

:''For the [[Original Series]] analogue, see: [[Baltar (TOS)]].''
:''For others with the same first name, see: [[Gaius (disambiguation)]].''

{{Character Data
|photo= Gaius Baltar.jpg
|colony= Born on [[Aerilon]], later relocated to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]
|birthname= Gaius Baltar
|death=Unknown causes on [[Earth_(RDM)#A_New_Earth|new Earth]], c. 148,000 BCE
|seen= Miniseries
|parents= [[Julius Baltar]] (father) Unnamed mother
|marital status= In a relationship with [[Caprica-Six]]
|role= Leader of the [[Cult of Baltar|monotheistic cult]]; former President of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]; former Caprican Delegate; former Fleet science advisor
|actor= [[James Callis]]
|sepcon=Gaius Baltar (alternate)
}}

Doctor '''Gaius Baltar''' is a brilliant scientist, legally-elected President of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], and, later, a revered religious figure for the remnants of humanity. Though not without his flaws, Baltar has acted selflessly on numerous occasions, and has saved the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] on numerous occasions.

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== Background ==

* Dr. Baltar is from [[The_Twelve_Colonies_%28RDM%29#Aerilon|Aerilon]]. He was born and raised on a dairy farm outside of the town of [[Cuffle's Breath Wash]]. Finding the local dialect to be unpleasant, starting at the age of ten he trained himself to speak without the [[Language_in_the_Twelve_Colonies#Aerilon_Accent|Aerilon accent]] in hopes that one day he might be considered as not coming from Aerilon. He left Aerilon after his 18th birthday turning his back on his family and his heritage.
* He was formerly a lead defense systems developer working for the [[Colonial Ministry of Defense]] and came to prominence as a computer technology designer, having won three [[Magnate Prize]]s.
* He networks with others well, and became personal friends with President [[Richard Adar]]. However, Baltar is extremely arrogant at times.
* Baltar becomes responsible for the design of the critical [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP) used throughout the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], but he could not fix all of its shortfalls himself and asked his lover ([[Number Six]]) to fix almost half of the base code and when she wrote the code, she got it up to 95% efficiency but then she put in back doors to allow the [[Cylons]] to "shut-down" space craft fitted with the CNP. It's shown that he was somewhat aware of what she was doing, but he did it for ''her'', not the company she supposedly worked for as he truly fell for her after she helped his father out.
* Baltar's scientific prowess seems strongest in the medical and biological fields ([[Epiphanies]]). As a result of his lesser (although still advanced) computer programming skills, he seeks the help (and as a byproduct, the affections of) a [[Caprica Six|young woman]] to aid him with the CNP.
* Baltar's two-year affair with the mysterious woman-- even to the extent of using code she herself wrote to overcome shortfalls in his CNP -- allowed her unrestricted access to some of the most sensitive systems of the Colonial defenses.
*Baltar's involvement with his blonde assistant does not stop him from dalliances with other women during this time, right up to when his assistant confronts Baltar and a lover in bed.

==Character History==

=== The Attack on the Twelve Colonies ===

* Baltar learns that his "corporate spy" lover is in fact a new type of Cylon -- a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon in human form]], able to mimic human beings down to the smallest detail, who altered his CNP with [[backdoor]]s to subvert any CNP-equipped ship.
[[image:Mini-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six|Number Six]] kissing in the [[Miniseries]].]]
*Even though Baltar is appalled that it was his sexual folly that led to a holocaust, he is nevertheless determined to survive and keep this unintended treachery hidden. He only survives the following attack because the Cylon agent sacrifices herself to protect him from a nuclear blast.
* Baltar is rescued from [[Caprica]] following the forced-landing of a Colonial [[Raptor]] -- at the cost of [[Karl Agathon|one of the crew staying behind]] ([[Miniseries]])
* Baltar is plagued by visions of Number Six that only he can see and hear. He cannot be sure whether this is a result of his own guilt at his actions or whether -- as she initially claims -- she is part of a chip that has been implanted in his brain<ref name="chip">The idea that Six is an actual chip in Baltar's head was dismissed by Dr. [[Cottle]]'s image scan of Baltar's head. See [[Gaius Baltar#Speculation: The Real Baltar?|the section on alternate reasons for Six's existence]] for more.</ref>.
*Baltar is put to work trying to devise a means of detecting these humanoid Cylons. He luckily exposes [[Aaron Doral]] as a Cylon agent ([[Miniseries]]), using little more than invented [[technobabble]] to convince [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]].

=== Gaining trust ===

*Baltar eventually develops a genuine detector. This, together with his survival of a foiled attempt to expose him as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), firmly establishes his credentials within the Fleet's hierarchy. As the Cylon, [[Shelly Godfrey]] looked like his mental Number Six and appeared after she mysteriously disappeared, Baltar came to believe Godfrey was a physical manifestation of his inner Six especialy when Godfrey's deception was revealed after he accepted the Cylon God and repeneted and Godfrey disappeared mysteriously and Head Six reappeared at the same time. It was revealed however, that Godfrey was in fact another copy of Number Six who had the job of discrediting him due to his Cylon detector and disappeared due to another Cylon killing her by secretly blowing her out an airlock ([[The Plan]]).
*With this new-found trust, and despite his willingness to deliberately conceal vital information, such as [[Sharon Valerii]] true status as a [[Cylon agent]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]), Baltar enters the realm of political leadership, first as the Representative for [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]], and then as the newly-elected Vice President of the Colonies ([[Colonial Day]]).
* The virtual Six continues to help and hinder Baltar, gradually drawing him to a point of near-open acceptance and participation in Cylon plans and activities ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Whether by coincidence or design, Six manipulates Baltar through repeated threats of exposing his involvement with the destruction of the Colonies ("[[33]],", "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"), while also appearing to aid him by giving information that [[The Hand of God (RDM)|appears insightful or inspired]] to help the Colonials.
[[image:Scattered-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] seeing "the shape of things to come" in "[[Scattered]]".]]

=== A greater purpose or insanity? ===

*Initially an atheist, Baltar is slowly converted to the Cylons' monotheistic faith: in "[[33]]" he repents his sins, in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]] "he prays to the Cylon God and devotes his life to serving his divine will, and in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]" he is led to believe that he is an instrument of God.
*Baltar is subjected to a final revelation of his role with the Cylons (as virtual Six sees it) when "the future" is revealed to him on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], in the form of the first of "God's new generation of children" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
[[Image:Baltarixvalleydarkness.jpg|Number Six showing Baltar the clearing filled with human bones, telling him they were from human sacrifices.|thumb]]
* While stranded on Kobol after a crash landing, Baltar's virtual Six warns him that the Colonial religion is a falsehood to cover up atrocities of their nature.
*On Kobol, Baltar shoots [[Crashdown]] in the back, killing him instantly, to save [[Cally]] from a practically suicidal and unnecessary attack on a Cylon missile battery<ref>The act of killing Crashdown appears to have led to a dramatic change in Baltar's attitude toward hurting anyone directly. When Cally tries to blackmail him after they return from Kobol, Baltar is somewhat rough with her. When he visits Tyrol and Boomer in the brig, he does not hesitate to inject Tyrol with fatal drugs to blackmail Boomer into giving Cylon secrets. Baltar's humanitarian acts to the Six copy known as Gina also suggests Baltar's attitude in the care of Cylons is further changing. More and more, Baltar appears to prefer direct intervention and is less cowardly in his attitude.</ref>. The group are eventually rescued by the Raptors. Baltar tells the [[SAR]] team that Crashdown died a hero in the fight, and Chief Tyrol reluctantly corroborates his story ([[Fragged]]).
*Back on ''Galactica'', Cally blackmails Baltar into making it a priority to prove that Chief Tyrol is not a Cylon, as Colonel Tigh suspects, or Cally would reveal the truth of Crashdown's death.
* Incensed at this ingratitude, Baltar gambles that the [[brig|jailed]] Boomer knows of the number of Cylons in the Fleet, and blackmails her into doing so, using Tyrol's life.
[[image:brainscan.jpg|Baltar receives his brain scan from Dr. Cottle, as Six watches on in amusement.|thumb]]
*Questioning his own sanity after his virtual Six claims that he was generally crazy, Baltar has a brain scan performed in [[sickbay]] by Dr. [[Cottle]] which confirms no "foreign objects" are present in his head.
*Baltar is ready to believe that he is truly insane until he hears [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Caprica-Sharon]] discuss Valerii's pregnancy with a Cylon/human hybrid child from his observation room. Six tells Baltar earlier that "their child" would be born in that cell, and this leads Baltar to realize that Six ''must'' be real because his subconscious couldn't have known that ([[Home, Part II]]). However, Hera is actually neither conceived, nor born in that specific cell. Instead, Virtual Six could actually be hinting at Tigh's and Caprica Six's future baby, that most likely ''is'' conceived in that particular cell.

=== Many talents ===

*When [[D'Anna Biers]] films a documentary about life aboard ''Galactica'', Six urges Baltar to give an interview to try to win people over to thinking that he should be running the Fleet. Baltar performs badly as he begins his interview but, fortunately, his interview is interrupted by a Cylon attack that Biers chooses to film instead ([[Final Cut]]).
*Baltar aids in trying to overcome the Cylon [[logic bomb]] which devastates ''Galactica's'' [[computers]]. Tigh's dislike of Baltar's involvement in this problem makes the scientist edgy enough to retort, "I'm sorry. Do you want to survive this one or not, Colonel?" ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])
[[image:baltargina.jpg|Baltar with Gina, the Cylon prisoner from ''Pegasus''.|thumb]]
*[[Helena Cain|Admiral Helena Cain]] requests that Baltar examine ''Pegasus' '' own Cylon prisoner to see what information he could glean from it. Baltar is horrified to discover the Cylon was a terribly abused and tortured copy of Number Six named "[[Gina Inviere]]". Baltar vows to help her and begins by having her restraints removed and bringing food to her ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).
*Over the course of his examination of Gina, he uncovers both her wish to die and the secret of the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. He passes this information to Adama and Admiral Cain, who develop an [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|operation to destroy it]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
*Baltar continues to spend time with Gina, eventually helping her escape from the brig. He tells Gina that he can hide her, and also that he loves her. Gina goes on to kill Cain and escapes from ''Pegasus'' through unexplained means ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
*Torn between the "flesh and blood" copy of the [[Number Six]] copy, Gina, the demands of his internal Number Six, and his continuing attempt to cover his own multiple duplicities, Baltar becomes more aggressive and confrontational. With President Roslin's advice to abort the Cylon-hybrid fetus of the incarcerated [[Sharon Valerii]], Baltar reacts to defend it as if it were his own child. Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] admonishes Baltar, telling him that, on Roslin's death, he will become President and that he needs to behave like one.
*Desperate to save Valerii's fetus, Baltar reviews Dr. [[Cottle]]'s medical tests and performs experiments of his own, learning a striking revelation: the blood of the fetus can destroy cancer and repair its damage to human tissue.<ref name="stemcells">According to the writer's original planning, this was due to the presence of Cylon [[Wikipedia:stem cells|stem cells]] in the fetus's blood. This explanation was absent in the final shooting script.</ref> With Admiral Adama's permission, he injects the dying President Roslin with some of the fetal blood, which works miraculously, saving both Roslin and Valerii's child by circumstance ([[Epiphanies]]).
*Baltar keeps his [[Fumarella leaf|fumarella]] supply fresh by trading in the [[black market (organization)|black market]] through new ''Pegasus'' Commander [[Jack Fisk]]. Not realizing that Fisk had been murdered, the scientist visits Fisk's quarters, only to meet Captain [[Lee Adama]], who has started an investigation on the black market and Fisk's murder. Baltar truthfully tells Adama that he knows nothing of Fisk's murder, but Adama correctly deduces Baltar's association with Fisk and the black market since the "[[Caprican Imperial]]" fumarellos are a known favorite of Baltar's ([[Black Market]]).

=== Increasing political ambitions ===

*After saving Roslin's life, Baltar reads the letter given to him in the event of her death, in which she says he lacks compassion and asks him to open his heart if he becomes president. Furious, and goaded on by Six who tells him that Roslin doesn't trust him, Baltar delivers the nuclear warhead used for the Cylon detector to Gina and her militant "[[Demand Peace]]" movement.
*Baltar is also unaware that his involvement in the destruction of the Colonies is partially revealed. In ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Laura Roslin recalled those final days on Caprica, and remembered Baltar in the company of a [[Number Six|woman]] on Caprica who she knows now is a Cylon ([[Epiphanies]]).
*Baltar is summoned to ''[[Colonial One]]'', where Roslin offers him, without explanation, the chance to resign from the Vice Presidency to return to his studies. Baltar becomes immediately suspicious (and frightened) in Roslin's succinct and direct vote of no-confidence in her vice president. Realizing that the Vice Presidency now has greater importance (if nothing other than to save his own hide), Baltar turns down what Roslin calls a "one-time offer" to save himself as he saved Roslin on her deathbed ([[Black Market]]).

[[Image:Baltarlaydownburdensii.jpg|Gaius Baltar as President, from "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".|thumb]]
*Dr. Baltar decides (with no small influence from Six and [[Tom Zarek]]) to run for President in the coming Colonial Elections ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

=== New Caprica ===

*Roslin is declared the winner of the elections, but is caught by Adama for manipulating the tally. Baltar is declared president. While Baltar demands an investigation initially, he backs down under Adama's glare.
*President Baltar orders the Fleet to return to the marginally habitable planet [[New Caprica]] seconds after his inauguration. Baltar shows incompetency as president a few days later, when he orders the colonization of the planet. In an attempt to cover up his role in giving Gina the nuclear warhead used to detonate ''[[Cloud Nine]]'', Baltar orders Adama to stop any further investigation into the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and two other ships (he correctly guesses that the conflagration was started by [[Gina Inviere]]).
*During his first year in office, Baltar indulges in women, wallows in the incompetence of his administration, and is callously unsympathetic to the supply and resource problems plaguing the new colony, whose inhabitants continue to live in tents. The public, including the labor union led by [[Galen Tyrol]], is notably displeased with his administration.
*380 days after Baltar's ascension to the presidency, a Cylon armada finds the planet after detecting the radiation signature caused by the destruction of ''[[Cloud 9]]'', which took that long to reach them. This event heralds the return of the dormant virtual Number Six noting to him that "judgment day" has come at last. Copies of a [[Number Five|Five]], [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] meet with Baltar and his cabinet, recommending surrender; it is here that he is reunited with the Six he fell in love with on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*After four months of Cylon occupation, the citizens of New Caprica despise their president. Baltar fears for his life and turns down public appearances, such as the [[New Caprica Police]] Academy graduation, to avoid assassination attempts ([[Occupation]]). It is even commented by the Cylon occupiers while discussing the notion of public executions to discourage uprising that publicly executing Baltar would be counterproductive, since the populace would cheer his death.
*Baltar is deposed after Admiral Adama organizes and executes a [[Battle of New Caprica|daring rescue mission]] of New Caprica's occupied inhabitants. During the exodus of those willing to leave New Caprica, Baltar happens across the dead body of [[Maya]] and the Cylon hybrid [[Hera Agathon|Hera]], and stays behind with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

=== Among the Cylons ===

*Once on board the basestar, Baltar must prove his worth to the Cylons or be killed. He seeks help from the basestar's [[Hybrid]], and gleans information which leads the Cylon fleet to the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], where they recover an ancient beacon. The beacon is also a plague carrier. To further prove his worth, Baltar takes on a mission to the dying basestar ([[Torn]]).
*Baltar is tortured by a Number Three for information on the viral plague. Misinterpreting his screams of love for the Internal Six as feeling for her, Number Three enters into a sexual relationship with Baltar and possibly Caprica-Six as well and starts to share a bed with both of them ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).
* Learning more about Cylon culture among them, he develops doubts about his identity, starting to believe that he might be one of the [[final five]] Cylons.

=== Return to the Fleet ===

[[Image:Baltar brig.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Baltar being placed in detention.]]

* Seeking answers to his questions about his identity, Baltar travels with Number Three and [[Cavil]] to the surface of the algae planet in order to visit the [[Temple of Five]]. After killing Cavil and watching the death of Number Three, he is unsuccessful in finding answers, and is captured and returned to ''Galactica'' ([[Rapture]]).
* He attempts to commit suicide and is tortured by President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] and Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] under the influence of an [[interrogation drug]]. While offering no substantial information, Roslin's belief that he played a role in the attack on the Twelve Colonies is strengthened. She and Adama decide to give Baltar a public trial instead of quietly executing him ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).
* Baltar, in an attempt to curry favor with the fleet concerning his trial, secretly publishes a book called "[[My Triumphs, My Mistakes]]". This book causes a labor strike, led by [[Galen Tyrol]], but instead of bringing the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to a screeching halt, it actually helps Tyrol and President Roslin stop a problem that was beginning to form in the Fleet ([[Dirty Hands]]).
* Before his trial begins, Baltar's lawyer, [[Alan Hughes]], is killed by sabotage, and is replaced by [[Romo Lampkin]]. Security for both Lampkin and Baltar is high, as many people believe fervently that Baltar should not be given a trial at all. Major [[Lee Adama]] is placed in command of this security detail, and eventually becomes Lampkin's aide for the trial ([[The Son Also Rises]]).
*Baltar's trial becomes a frenzied media circus. Lampkin manages to keep mob rule from overwhelming the proceedings, but it is Lee Adama's testimony that ultimately acquits Baltar. The son of William Adama notes many, many abuses of justice, crimes and mistakes committed by himself and other leadership in the Fleet that were ignored or punished lightly. Baltar's only distinction, in comparison, was that he was unlikeable and thus more useful as a scapegoat for the problems of the Fleet that stemmed from colonizing [[New Caprica]].
*With the end of the trial, Baltar finds his acquittal bitter-sweet, with no home, no work, and no allies.
*When the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] jumps into the [[Ionian nebula]], the confusion caused by a power outage allows the homeless Baltar to be secretly carried off by several women who claim they are leading him to his new life ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

===Cult Leader ===

*The women lead Baltar to an used storage compartment, where he learns that a [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] has arisen around him, likely starting with the publication of his [[My Triumphs, My Mistakes|book]] condemning the perceived suppression of the Fleet's poor. The cult is composed of many young, athletic women and some men. Headed by [[Jeanne]], they view Baltar as a messianic figure and have been building a shrine for him. Baltar initially thinks of them as crazy and wants to have nothing to do with them. When [[Tracey Anne|one of the women]] watches him interact with his [[Virtual Six]], she thinks that he is praying and draws him into a religious discussion. Baltar tells her that [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies|Colonial Religion]] is empty and false, and that there is only one [[God (RDM)|true God]]. Captivated by Baltar, she kisses him. His standing among his followers is further increased when he prays for a sick [[Derrick|child]], who miraculously recovers soon after ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).
*To his amazement, Baltar begins to see a [[Virtual Baltar|virtual version of himself]]. At the same time he begins a relationship with [[Tory Foster]], who is drawn to him due her awakened Cylon nature and Baltar's apparent understanding of it ([[Six of One]]). The situation with his cult escalates when a [[Sons of Ares|militant religious group]] vandalizes the commune. In retaliation, Baltar and some of his followers disrupt a [[temple]] service and denounce the Colonial gods. President Roslin takes this as an excuse to curtail the cult's religion freedom by forbidding large assemblies. When encountering a Marine trying to enforce this order, Baltar makes a defiant stand, allowing himself to be beaten up in front of his followers. The display ends when [[Lee Adama]] shows up to announce that the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] has decided to rescind Roslin's proclamation and restore their freedoms. Following this, Baltar holds a speech telling everyone that he thinks that someone in the universe loves him and that people have to love themselves in order to love others ([[Escape Velocity]]). Over the next weeks, his sermons are broadcast per [[wireless]] throughout the ship and likely the whole Fleet ("[[The Road Less Travelled]]", "[[Faith]]").
* When a baseship with [[Cylon Civil War|rebel Cylons]] joins the Fleet, Roslin summons him. She tells Baltar that he has been in her visions and wants him to accompany her to the [[Hybrid]] to find out what they mean. However, when the [[Natalie|rebel leader]] is unexpectedly killed, the Hybrid panics and jumps away. Drawing on his [[Torn|previous experience]] with the Hybrid, Baltar manages to calm it down somewhat. In the following [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub|battle]] to destroy a critical Cylon facility, Baltar is critically wounded when missiles hit the ship while he tries to evangelize to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]]. While his wounds are dressed by Roslin Baltar confesses his role in [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|downfall of humanity]]. Roslin initially removes the bandages she applied, letting him bleed out, but decides to save him after all ("[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]", "[[The Hub]]").
* After [[Number Three]]'s unboxing, the [[Final Four]] are revealed and Tory Foster willingly joins the Cylons. Upon learning this, Baltar claims that he "always subconsciously knew" that she is a Cylon. Later, he is part of the first landing party to set foot on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], being as dismayed at its state as everyone else ([[Revelations]]).
*When Gaeta and Zarek start a coup against Adama and Roslin, Baltar and his cult support Adama and Roslin, working with Galen Tyrol in efforts to retake the ship and protect the two. Baltar is convincced by Roslin to let her use his wireless radio to communicate with the fleet about the mutiny and she is able to make a short broadcast before being jammed. Roslin convinces him to leave with her sure that he is going to be a target of the mutineeres and they make their way to the Secondary Storage Airlock where while waiting, Baltar tries to convince Gaeta to stop to no avail. Baltar escapes ''Galactica'' with Roslin to the Cylon baseship and supports Roslin there. He also sleeps with [[Lida|another Six]] and chats with her about his cult saying that while he doesn't like them, he feels responsible for them and decides he has to go back to ''Galactica'' and them after having a nightmare where a firing squad executes Adama. He returns to ''Galactica'' with Roslin once the coup is ended by Adama and his men who retake ''Galactica'' with help from military support from Roslin and the Cylon baseship. Afterwards he and Gaeta have a civil chat about what happened indicating that they have forgiven each other for what they did and when Gaeta makes a statment that he hopes someday people understand who he was, Baltar says he understands who Gaeta was. ("[[The Oath]]", "[[Blood on the Scales]]")
*When Caprica Six apparently has a falling out with Tigh after her failed pregnancy, Baltar runs into her and offers her a home with him again, but she refuses saying that while she's changed he hasn't.
*At the suggestion of Paula, Baltar tries to get his cult, now numbering in the thousands, representation in the government, but Lee Adama refuses asking him to name one time he acted selflessly. Baltar admits he can't but is disappointed Adama is holding that against his movement before leaving.
*Baltar is among those that attend Adama's speech and call for volunteers to crew ''Galactica'' to rescue Hera Agathon. While many other people including Caprica Six volunteer, he doesn't although he does seem to almost volunteer but decides not to.
*When his cult evacuates on the last Raptor, Baltar hesitates then decides to stay to help telling Paula that the cult merley appropriated him and he was never one of them. Baltar is clearly nervous about this decision, but sticks to it. Lee Adama tosses him a gun, clearly happy with his choice.
*During the battle, Baltar is assigned to the reserve team that protects ''Galactica'' alongside Caprica Six. Caprica Six is finally proud of him and the two kiss, only to be interupted by Virtual Six and Baltar who say that they will hold the fate of both races in their hands. Both are shocked that the other can see them.
*During the battle, Baltar fights alonside Caprica Six and the other marines against several Centurions. Baltar takes out one by himself but gets over-enthusiastic and nearly takes out the returning rescue team too but is stopped by Caprica Six. Adama tells him he did good, but they are forced to retreat when more Centurions show up.
*Baltar and Caprica Six end up in a room together with him down to a sidearm and her down to two bullets left in her machine gun. The two are shocked to find Hera there with him and leave carrying her in a fullfilment of the Opera House Prophecy. As they leave, they close the door on Roslin and Athena, never realizing they're there. The two ultimatly reach a door and Caprica Six from her shared vision and Baltar from his vision on Kobol realize they have to go in. The two find themselves in CIC with the Final Five on the balcony just like in the vision. Cavil takes Hera hostage, but Baltar manages to defuses the situation revealing that Virtual Baltar and Six are angels of God who Baltar describes as a force of nature neither good nor evil. Baltar and Tigh convince Cavil to end the war right there with peace with the Five giving resurrection back to Cavil so he and his forces can survive while he lets them take Hera and agrees to stop pursuing them. Cavil aceppts the deal and orders his forces to stand down. Baltar later witnesses Tory's death at Tyrol's hands and the breaking of the truce that results in the destruction of Cavil and his forces.
*Later, on the new Earth, Baltar and Caprica Six watch Hera and are visited one last time by the Virtual Beings who reveal that their destiny was always to protect Hera. While God's plan is never over, Virtual Baltar promises that their lives will be a lot less interesting and the two disappear for the last time. Baltar and Caprica Six set off to start a new life together as farmers using Baltar's knowledge from growing up on a farm on Aerilon.

==Notes==
*There was speculation that Gaius Baltar could be a Cylon himself. However, his presence in the now-infamous "[[The Last Supper]]" picture discounts this, as confirmed by [[Ron D. Moore]]. As of [[Sometimes a Great Notion]], all known humanoid Cylons have been accounted for (although "[[No Exit]]" references still another humanoid Cylon, there is no indication given that this is Baltar).
*[[Ron Moore]] has stated in several episode commentaries that when the role of "Gaius Baltar" was originally written in the script, the writing team never intended Baltar to have a "funny" aspect, but James Callis himself decided to play up that aspect of the frantic predicaments Baltar finds himself in during the [[Miniseries]] (which although the writers never anticipated, they enjoyed, and started writing him with that in mind). In series 4, however, Baltar's demeanor becomes noticably more serious.
*While [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Mary McDonnell]] were hand-picked for their roles, the rest of the characters were cast by audition: among the actors in the running for the role of "Gaius Baltar" was ''[[w:Two and a Half Men|Two and a Half Men]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Wikipedia:Jon Cryer|Jon Cryer]], though the role ultimately went to [[James Callis]]. Callis was suggested by Angela Mancuso, who ran the studio at the time, knew him from the ''[[w:Helen of Troy (TV miniseries)|Helen of Troy]]'' miniseries where he portrayed [[w:Menelaus|Menelaus]].<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=23|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>
*Baltar currently holds the record for most number of Cylons romantically involved with in the series: six. Four of these are [[Number Six]]es, beginning (and, eventually, ending) with [[Caprica-Six]], [[Gina Inviere]], [[Virtual Six]] and lastly, [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]]. The fifth is [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|Number Three]]. The sixth is [[Tory Foster]].
*Baltar's first name, Gaius, is taken from [[w:Gaius Julius Caesar|Gaius Julius Caesar]]. Likewise, his father's name is Julius. The character of Baltar derives many characteristics from the Roman emporer of which he is named after, most notably, his [[w:hubris|hubris]].
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:''For the [[Original Series]] analogue, see: [[Baltar (TOS)]].''
:''For others with the same first name, see: [[Gaius (disambiguation)]].''

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|colony= Born on [[Aerilon]], later relocated to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]
|birthname= Gaius Baltar
|death=Unknown causes on [[Earth_(RDM)#A_New_Earth|new Earth]], c. 148,000 BCE
|seen= Miniseries
|parents= [[Julius Baltar]] (father) Unnamed mother
|marital status= In a relationship with [[Caprica-Six]]
|role= Leader of the [[Cult of Baltar|monotheistic cult]]; former President of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]; former Caprican Delegate; former Fleet science advisor
|actor= [[James Callis]]
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Doctor '''Gaius Baltar''' is a brilliant scientist, legally-elected President of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], and, later, a revered religious figure for the remnants of humanity. Though not without his flaws, Baltar has acted selflessly on numerous occasions, and has saved the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] on numerous occasions.

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== Background ==

* Dr. Baltar is from [[The_Twelve_Colonies_%28RDM%29#Aerilon|Aerilon]]. He was born and raised on a dairy farm outside of the town of [[Cuffle's Breath Wash]]. Finding the local dialect to be unpleasant, starting at the age of ten he trained himself to speak without the [[Language_in_the_Twelve_Colonies#Aerilon_Accent|Aerilon accent]] in hopes that one day he might be considered as not coming from Aerilon. He left Aerilon after his 18th birthday turning his back on his family and his heritage.
* He was formerly a lead defense systems developer working for the [[Colonial Ministry of Defense]] and came to prominence as a computer technology designer, having won three [[Magnate Prize]]s.
* He networks with others well, and became personal friends with President [[Richard Adar]]. However, Baltar is extremely arrogant at times.
* Baltar becomes responsible for the design of the critical [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP) used throughout the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], but he could not fix all of its shortfalls himself and asked his lover ([[Number Six]]) to fix almost half of the base code and when she wrote the code, she got it up to 95% efficiency but then she put in back doors to allow the [[Cylons]] to "shut-down" space craft fitted with the CNP. It's shown that he was somewhat aware of what she was doing, but he did it for ''her'', not the company she supposedly worked for as he truly fell for her after she helped his father out.
* Baltar's scientific prowess seems strongest in the medical and biological fields ([[Epiphanies]]). As a result of his lesser (although still advanced) computer programming skills, he seeks the help (and as a byproduct, the affections of) a [[Caprica Six|young woman]] to aid him with the CNP.
* Baltar's two-year affair with the mysterious woman-- even to the extent of using code she herself wrote to overcome shortfalls in his CNP -- allowed her unrestricted access to some of the most sensitive systems of the Colonial defenses.
*Baltar's involvement with his blonde assistant does not stop him from dalliances with other women during this time, right up to when his assistant confronts Baltar and a lover in bed.

==Character History==

=== The Attack on the Twelve Colonies ===

* Baltar learns that his "corporate spy" lover is in fact a new type of Cylon -- a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon in human form]], able to mimic human beings down to the smallest detail, who altered his CNP with [[backdoor]]s to subvert any CNP-equipped ship.
[[image:Mini-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six|Number Six]] kissing in the [[Miniseries]].]]
*Even though Baltar is appalled that it was his sexual folly that led to a holocaust, he is nevertheless determined to survive and keep this unintended treachery hidden. He only survives the following attack because the Cylon agent sacrifices herself to protect him from a nuclear blast.
* Baltar is rescued from [[Caprica]] following the forced-landing of a Colonial [[Raptor]] -- at the cost of [[Karl Agathon|one of the crew staying behind]] ([[Miniseries]])
* Baltar is plagued by visions of Number Six that only he can see and hear. He cannot be sure whether this is a result of his own guilt at his actions or whether -- as she initially claims -- she is part of a chip that has been implanted in his brain<ref name="chip">The idea that Six is an actual chip in Baltar's head was dismissed by Dr. [[Cottle]]'s image scan of Baltar's head. See [[Gaius Baltar#Speculation: The Real Baltar?|the section on alternate reasons for Six's existence]] for more.</ref>.
*Baltar is put to work trying to devise a means of detecting these humanoid Cylons. He luckily exposes [[Aaron Doral]] as a Cylon agent ([[Miniseries]]), using little more than invented [[technobabble]] to convince [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]].

=== Gaining trust ===

*Baltar eventually develops a genuine detector. This, together with his survival of a foiled attempt to expose him as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), firmly establishes his credentials within the Fleet's hierarchy. As the Cylon, [[Shelly Godfrey]] looked like his mental Number Six and appeared after she mysteriously disappeared, Baltar came to believe Godfrey was a physical manifestation of his inner Six especialy when Godfrey's deception was revealed after he accepted the Cylon God and repeneted and Godfrey disappeared mysteriously and Head Six reappeared at the same time. It was revealed however, that Godfrey was in fact another copy of Number Six who had the job of discrediting him due to his Cylon detector and disappeared due to another Cylon killing her by secretly blowing her out an airlock ([[The Plan]]).
*With this new-found trust, and despite his willingness to deliberately conceal vital information, such as [[Sharon Valerii]] true status as a [[Cylon agent]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]), Baltar enters the realm of political leadership, first as the Representative for [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]], and then as the newly-elected Vice President of the Colonies ([[Colonial Day]]).
* The virtual Six continues to help and hinder Baltar, gradually drawing him to a point of near-open acceptance and participation in Cylon plans and activities ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Whether by coincidence or design, Six manipulates Baltar through repeated threats of exposing his involvement with the destruction of the Colonies ("[[33]],", "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"), while also appearing to aid him by giving information that [[The Hand of God (RDM)|appears insightful or inspired]] to help the Colonials.
[[image:Scattered-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] seeing "the shape of things to come" in "[[Scattered]]".]]

=== A greater purpose or insanity? ===

*Initially an atheist, Baltar is slowly converted to the Cylons' monotheistic faith: in "[[33]]" he repents his sins, in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]] "he prays to the Cylon God and devotes his life to serving his divine will, and in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]" he is led to believe that he is an instrument of God.
*Baltar is subjected to a final revelation of his role with the Cylons (as virtual Six sees it) when "the future" is revealed to him on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], in the form of the first of "God's new generation of children" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
[[Image:Baltarixvalleydarkness.jpg|Number Six showing Baltar the clearing filled with human bones, telling him they were from human sacrifices.|thumb]]
* While stranded on Kobol after a crash landing, Baltar's virtual Six warns him that the Colonial religion is a falsehood to cover up atrocities of their nature.
*On Kobol, Baltar shoots [[Crashdown]] in the back, killing him instantly, to save [[Cally]] from a practically suicidal and unnecessary attack on a Cylon missile battery<ref>The act of killing Crashdown appears to have led to a dramatic change in Baltar's attitude toward hurting anyone directly. When Cally tries to blackmail him after they return from Kobol, Baltar is somewhat rough with her. When he visits Tyrol and Boomer in the brig, he does not hesitate to inject Tyrol with fatal drugs to blackmail Boomer into giving Cylon secrets. Baltar's humanitarian acts to the Six copy known as Gina also suggests Baltar's attitude in the care of Cylons is further changing. More and more, Baltar appears to prefer direct intervention and is less cowardly in his attitude.</ref>. The group are eventually rescued by the Raptors. Baltar tells the [[SAR]] team that Crashdown died a hero in the fight, and Chief Tyrol reluctantly corroborates his story ([[Fragged]]).
*Back on ''Galactica'', Cally blackmails Baltar into making it a priority to prove that Chief Tyrol is not a Cylon, as Colonel Tigh suspects, or Cally would reveal the truth of Crashdown's death.
* Incensed at this ingratitude, Baltar gambles that the [[brig|jailed]] Boomer knows of the number of Cylons in the Fleet, and blackmails her into doing so, using Tyrol's life.
[[image:brainscan.jpg|Baltar receives his brain scan from Dr. Cottle, as Six watches on in amusement.|thumb]]
*Questioning his own sanity after his virtual Six claims that he was generally crazy, Baltar has a brain scan performed in [[sickbay]] by Dr. [[Cottle]] which confirms no "foreign objects" are present in his head.
*Baltar is ready to believe that he is truly insane until he hears [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Caprica-Sharon]] discuss Valerii's pregnancy with a Cylon/human hybrid child from his observation room. Six tells Baltar earlier that "their child" would be born in that cell, and this leads Baltar to realize that Six ''must'' be real because his subconscious couldn't have known that ([[Home, Part II]]). However, Hera is actually neither conceived, nor born in that specific cell. Instead, Virtual Six could actually be hinting at Tigh's and Caprica Six's future baby, that most likely ''is'' conceived in that particular cell.

=== Many talents ===

*When [[D'Anna Biers]] films a documentary about life aboard ''Galactica'', Six urges Baltar to give an interview to try to win people over to thinking that he should be running the Fleet. Baltar performs badly as he begins his interview but, fortunately, his interview is interrupted by a Cylon attack that Biers chooses to film instead ([[Final Cut]]).
*Baltar aids in trying to overcome the Cylon [[logic bomb]] which devastates ''Galactica's'' [[computers]]. Tigh's dislike of Baltar's involvement in this problem makes the scientist edgy enough to retort, "I'm sorry. Do you want to survive this one or not, Colonel?" ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])
[[image:baltargina.jpg|Baltar with Gina, the Cylon prisoner from ''Pegasus''.|thumb]]
*[[Helena Cain|Admiral Helena Cain]] requests that Baltar examine ''Pegasus' '' own Cylon prisoner to see what information he could glean from it. Baltar is horrified to discover the Cylon was a terribly abused and tortured copy of Number Six named "[[Gina Inviere]]". Baltar vows to help her and begins by having her restraints removed and bringing food to her ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).
*Over the course of his examination of Gina, he uncovers both her wish to die and the secret of the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. He passes this information to Adama and Admiral Cain, who develop an [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|operation to destroy it]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
*Baltar continues to spend time with Gina, eventually helping her escape from the brig. He tells Gina that he can hide her, and also that he loves her. Gina goes on to kill Cain and escapes from ''Pegasus'' through unexplained means ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
*Torn between the "flesh and blood" copy of the [[Number Six]] copy, Gina, the demands of his internal Number Six, and his continuing attempt to cover his own multiple duplicities, Baltar becomes more aggressive and confrontational. With President Roslin's advice to abort the Cylon-hybrid fetus of the incarcerated [[Sharon Valerii]], Baltar reacts to defend it as if it were his own child. Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] admonishes Baltar, telling him that, on Roslin's death, he will become President and that he needs to behave like one.
*Desperate to save Valerii's fetus, Baltar reviews Dr. [[Cottle]]'s medical tests and performs experiments of his own, learning a striking revelation: the blood of the fetus can destroy cancer and repair its damage to human tissue.<ref name="stemcells">According to the writer's original planning, this was due to the presence of Cylon [[Wikipedia:stem cells|stem cells]] in the fetus's blood. This explanation was absent in the final shooting script.</ref> With Admiral Adama's permission, he injects the dying President Roslin with some of the fetal blood, which works miraculously, saving both Roslin and Valerii's child by circumstance ([[Epiphanies]]).
*Baltar keeps his [[Fumarella leaf|fumarella]] supply fresh by trading in the [[black market (organization)|black market]] through new ''Pegasus'' Commander [[Jack Fisk]]. Not realizing that Fisk had been murdered, the scientist visits Fisk's quarters, only to meet Captain [[Lee Adama]], who has started an investigation on the black market and Fisk's murder. Baltar truthfully tells Adama that he knows nothing of Fisk's murder, but Adama correctly deduces Baltar's association with Fisk and the black market since the "[[Caprican Imperial]]" fumarellos are a known favorite of Baltar's ([[Black Market]]).

=== Increasing political ambitions ===

*After saving Roslin's life, Baltar reads the letter given to him in the event of her death, in which she says he lacks compassion and asks him to open his heart if he becomes president. Furious, and goaded on by Six who tells him that Roslin doesn't trust him, Baltar delivers the nuclear warhead used for the Cylon detector to Gina and her militant "[[Demand Peace]]" movement.
*Baltar is also unaware that his involvement in the destruction of the Colonies is partially revealed. In ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Laura Roslin recalled those final days on Caprica, and remembered Baltar in the company of a [[Number Six|woman]] on Caprica who she knows now is a Cylon ([[Epiphanies]]).
*Baltar is summoned to ''[[Colonial One]]'', where Roslin offers him, without explanation, the chance to resign from the Vice Presidency to return to his studies. Baltar becomes immediately suspicious (and frightened) in Roslin's succinct and direct vote of no-confidence in her vice president. Realizing that the Vice Presidency now has greater importance (if nothing other than to save his own hide), Baltar turns down what Roslin calls a "one-time offer" to save himself as he saved Roslin on her deathbed ([[Black Market]]).

[[Image:Baltarlaydownburdensii.jpg|Gaius Baltar as President, from "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".|thumb]]
*Dr. Baltar decides (with no small influence from Six and [[Tom Zarek]]) to run for President in the coming Colonial Elections ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

=== New Caprica ===

*Roslin is declared the winner of the elections, but is caught by Adama for manipulating the tally. Baltar is declared president. While Baltar demands an investigation initially, he backs down under Adama's glare.
*President Baltar orders the Fleet to return to the marginally habitable planet [[New Caprica]] seconds after his inauguration. Baltar shows incompetency as president a few days later, when he orders the colonization of the planet. In an attempt to cover up his role in giving Gina the nuclear warhead used to detonate ''[[Cloud Nine]]'', Baltar orders Adama to stop any further investigation into the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and two other ships (he correctly guesses that the conflagration was started by [[Gina Inviere]]).
*During his first year in office, Baltar indulges in women, wallows in the incompetence of his administration, and is callously unsympathetic to the supply and resource problems plaguing the new colony, whose inhabitants continue to live in tents. The public, including the labor union led by [[Galen Tyrol]], is notably displeased with his administration.
*380 days after Baltar's ascension to the presidency, a Cylon armada finds the planet after detecting the radiation signature caused by the destruction of ''[[Cloud 9]]'', which took that long to reach them. This event heralds the return of the dormant virtual Number Six noting to him that "judgment day" has come at last. Copies of a [[Number Five|Five]], [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] meet with Baltar and his cabinet, recommending surrender; it is here that he is reunited with the Six he fell in love with on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*After four months of Cylon occupation, the citizens of New Caprica despise their president. Baltar fears for his life and turns down public appearances, such as the [[New Caprica Police]] Academy graduation, to avoid assassination attempts ([[Occupation]]). It is even commented by the Cylon occupiers while discussing the notion of public executions to discourage uprising that publicly executing Baltar would be counterproductive, since the populace would cheer his death.
*Baltar is deposed after Admiral Adama organizes and executes a [[Battle of New Caprica|daring rescue mission]] of New Caprica's occupied inhabitants. During the exodus of those willing to leave New Caprica, Baltar happens across the dead body of [[Maya]] and the Cylon hybrid [[Hera Agathon|Hera]], and stays behind with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

=== Among the Cylons ===

*Once on board the basestar, Baltar must prove his worth to the Cylons or be killed. He seeks help from the basestar's [[Hybrid]], and gleans information which leads the Cylon fleet to the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], where they recover an ancient beacon. The beacon is also a plague carrier. To further prove his worth, Baltar takes on a mission to the dying basestar ([[Torn]]).
*Baltar is tortured by a Number Three for information on the viral plague. Misinterpreting his screams of love for the Internal Six as feeling for her, Number Three enters into a sexual relationship with Baltar and possibly Caprica-Six as well and starts to share a bed with both of them ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).
* Learning more about Cylon culture among them, he develops doubts about his identity, starting to belief that he might be one of the [[final five]] Cylons.

=== Return to the Fleet ===

[[Image:Baltar brig.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Baltar being placed in detention.]]

* Seeking answers to his questions about his identity, Baltar travels with Number Three and [[Cavil]] to the surface of the algae planet in order to visit the [[Temple of Five]]. After killing Cavil and watching the death of Number Three, he is unsuccessful in finding answers, and is captured and returned to ''Galactica'' ([[Rapture]]).
* He attempts to commit suicide and is tortured by President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] and Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] under the influence of an [[interrogation drug]]. While offering no substantial information, Roslin's belief that he played a role in the attack on the Twelve Colonies is strengthened. She and Adama decide to give Baltar a public trial instead of quietly executing him ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).
* Baltar, in an attempt to curry favor with the fleet concerning his trial, secretly publishes a book called "[[My Triumphs, My Mistakes]]". This book causes a labor strike, led by [[Galen Tyrol]], but instead of bringing the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to a screeching halt, it actually helps Tyrol and President Roslin stop a problem that was beginning to form in the Fleet ([[Dirty Hands]]).
* Before his trial begins, Baltar's lawyer, [[Alan Hughes]], is killed by sabotage, and is replaced by [[Romo Lampkin]]. Security for both Lampkin and Baltar is high, as many people believe fervently that Baltar should not be given a trial at all. Major [[Lee Adama]] is placed in command of this security detail, and eventually becomes Lampkin's aide for the trial ([[The Son Also Rises]]).
*Baltar's trial becomes a frenzied media circus. Lampkin manages to keep mob rule from overwhelming the proceedings, but it is Lee Adama's testimony that ultimately acquits Baltar. The son of William Adama notes many, many abuses of justice, crimes and mistakes committed by himself and other leadership in the Fleet that were ignored or punished lightly. Baltar's only distinction, in comparison, was that he was unlikeable and thus more useful as a scapegoat for the problems of the Fleet that stemmed from colonizing [[New Caprica]].
*With the end of the trial, Baltar finds his acquittal bitter-sweet, with no home, no work, and no allies.
*When the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] jumps into the [[Ionian nebula]], the confusion caused by a power outage allows the homeless Baltar to be secretly carried off by several women who claim they are leading him to his new life ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

===Cult Leader ===

*The women lead Baltar to an used storage compartment, where he learns that a [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] has arisen around him, likely starting with the publication of his [[My Triumphs, My Mistakes|book]] condemning the perceived suppression of the Fleet's poor. The cult is composed of many young, athletic women and some men. Headed by [[Jeanne]], they view Baltar as a messianic figure and have been building a shrine for him. Baltar initially thinks of them as crazy and wants to have nothing to do with them. When [[Tracey Anne|one of the women]] watches him interact with his [[Virtual Six]], she thinks that he is praying and draws him into a religious discussion. Baltar tells her that [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies|Colonial Religion]] is empty and false, and that there is only one [[God (RDM)|true God]]. Captivated by Baltar, she kisses him. His standing among his followers is further increased when he prays for a sick [[Derrick|child]], who miraculously recovers soon after ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).
*To his amazement, Baltar begins to see a [[Virtual Baltar|virtual version of himself]]. At the same time he begins a relationship with [[Tory Foster]], who is drawn to him due her awakened Cylon nature and Baltar's apparent understanding of it ([[Six of One]]). The situation with his cult escalates when a [[Sons of Ares|militant religious group]] vandalizes the commune. In retaliation, Baltar and some of his followers disrupt a [[temple]] service and denounce the Colonial gods. President Roslin takes this as an excuse to curtail the cult's religion freedom by forbidding large assemblies. When encountering a Marine trying to enforce this order, Baltar makes a defiant stand, allowing himself to be beaten up in front of his followers. The display ends when [[Lee Adama]] shows up to announce that the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] has decided to rescind Roslin's proclamation and restore their freedoms. Following this, Baltar holds a speech telling everyone that he thinks that someone in the universe loves him and that people have to love themselves in order to love others ([[Escape Velocity]]). Over the next weeks, his sermons are broadcast per [[wireless]] throughout the ship and likely the whole Fleet ("[[The Road Less Travelled]]", "[[Faith]]").
* When a baseship with [[Cylon Civil War|rebel Cylons]] joins the Fleet, Roslin summons him. She tells Baltar that he has been in her visions and wants him to accompany her to the [[Hybrid]] to find out what they mean. However, when the [[Natalie|rebel leader]] is unexpectedly killed, the Hybrid panics and jumps away. Drawing on his [[Torn|previous experience]] with the Hybrid, Baltar manages to calm it down somewhat. In the following [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub|battle]] to destroy a critical Cylon facility, Baltar is critically wounded when missiles hit the ship while he tries to evangelize to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]]. While his wounds are dressed by Roslin Baltar confesses his role in [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|downfall of humanity]]. Roslin initially removes the bandages she applied, letting him bleed out, but decides to save him after all ("[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]", "[[The Hub]]").
* After [[Number Three]]'s unboxing, the [[Final Four]] are revealed and Tory Foster willingly joins the Cylons. Upon learning this, Baltar claims that he "always subconsciously knew" that she is a Cylon. Later, he is part of the first landing party to set foot on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], being as dismayed at its state as everyone else ([[Revelations]]).
*When Gaeta and Zarek start a coup against Adama and Roslin, Baltar and his cult support Adama and Roslin, working with Galen Tyrol in efforts to retake the ship and protect the two. Baltar is convincced by Roslin to let her use his wireless radio to communicate with the fleet about the mutiny and she is able to make a short broadcast before being jammed. Roslin convinces him to leave with her sure that he is going to be a target of the mutineeres and they make their way to the Secondary Storage Airlock where while waiting, Baltar tries to convince Gaeta to stop to no avail. Baltar escapes ''Galactica'' with Roslin to the Cylon baseship and supports Roslin there. He also sleeps with [[Lida|another Six]] and chats with her about his cult saying that while he doesn't like them, he feels responsible for them and decides he has to go back to ''Galactica'' and them after having a nightmare where a firing squad executes Adama. He returns to ''Galactica'' with Roslin once the coup is ended by Adama and his men who retake ''Galactica'' with help from military support from Roslin and the Cylon baseship. Afterwards he and Gaeta have a civil chat about what happened indicating that they have forgiven each other for what they did and when Gaeta makes a statment that he hopes someday people understand who he was, Baltar says he understands who Gaeta was. ("[[The Oath]]", "[[Blood on the Scales]]")
*When Caprica Six apparently has a falling out with Tigh after her failed pregnancy, Baltar runs into her and offers her a home with him again, but she refuses saying that while she's changed he hasn't.
*At the suggestion of Paula, Baltar tries to get his cult, now numbering in the thousands, representation in the government, but Lee Adama refuses asking him to name one time he acted selflessly. Baltar admits he can't but is disappointed Adama is holding that against his movement before leaving.
*Baltar is among those that attend Adama's speech and call for volunteers to crew ''Galactica'' to rescue Hera Agathon. While many other people including Caprica Six volunteer, he doesn't although he does seem to almost volunteer but decides not to.
*When his cult evacuates on the last Raptor, Baltar hesitates then decides to stay to help telling Paula that the cult merley appropriated him and he was never one of them. Baltar is clearly nervous about this decision, but sticks to it. Lee Adama tosses him a gun, clearly happy with his choice.
*During the battle, Baltar is assigned to the reserve team that protects ''Galactica'' alongside Caprica Six. Caprica Six is finally proud of him and the two kiss, only to be interupted by Virtual Six and Baltar who say that they will hold the fate of both races in their hands. Both are shocked that the other can see them.
*During the battle, Baltar fights alonside Caprica Six and the other marines against several Centurions. Baltar takes out one by himself but gets over-enthusiastic and nearly takes out the returning rescue team too but is stopped by Caprica Six. Adama tells him he did good, but they are forced to retreat when more Centurions show up.
*Baltar and Caprica Six end up in a room together with him down to a sidearm and her down to two bullets left in her machine gun. The two are shocked to find Hera there with him and leave carrying her in a fullfilment of the Opera House Prophecy. As they leave, they close the door on Roslin and Athena, never realizing they're there. The two ultimatly reach a door and Caprica Six from her shared vision and Baltar from his vision on Kobol realize they have to go in. The two find themselves in CIC with the Final Five on the balcony just like in the vision. Cavil takes Hera hostage, but Baltar manages to defuses the situation revealing that Virtual Baltar and Six are angels of God who Baltar describes as a force of nature neither good nor evil. Baltar and Tigh convince Cavil to end the war right there with peace with the Five giving resurrection back to Cavil so he and his forces can survive while he lets them take Hera and agrees to stop pursuing them. Cavil aceppts the deal and orders his forces to stand down. Baltar later witnesses Tory's death at Tyrol's hands and the breaking of the truce that results in the destruction of Cavil and his forces.
*Later, on the new Earth, Baltar and Caprica Six watch Hera and are visited one last time by the Virtual Beings who reveal that their destiny was always to protect Hera. While God's plan is never over, Virtual Baltar promises that their lives will be a lot less interesting and the two disappear for the last time. Baltar and Caprica Six set off to start a new life together as farmers using Baltar's knowledge from growing up on a farm on Aerilon.

==Notes==
*There was speculation that Gaius Baltar could be a Cylon himself. However, his presence in the now-infamous "[[The Last Supper]]" picture discounts this, as confirmed by [[Ron D. Moore]]. As of [[Sometimes a Great Notion]], all known humanoid Cylons have been accounted for (although "[[No Exit]]" references still another humanoid Cylon, there is no indication given that this is Baltar).
*[[Ron Moore]] has stated in several episode commentaries that when the role of "Gaius Baltar" was originally written in the script, the writing team never intended Baltar to have a "funny" aspect, but James Callis himself decided to play up that aspect of the frantic predicaments Baltar finds himself in during the [[Miniseries]] (which although the writers never anticipated, they enjoyed, and started writing him with that in mind). In series 4, however, Baltar's demeanor becomes noticably more serious.
*While [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Mary McDonnell]] were hand-picked for their roles, the rest of the characters were cast by audition: among the actors in the running for the role of "Gaius Baltar" was ''[[w:Two and a Half Men|Two and a Half Men]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Wikipedia:Jon Cryer|Jon Cryer]], though the role ultimately went to [[James Callis]]. Callis was suggested by Angela Mancuso, who ran the studio at the time, knew him from the ''[[w:Helen of Troy (TV miniseries)|Helen of Troy]]'' miniseries where he portrayed [[w:Menelaus|Menelaus]].<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=23|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>
*Baltar currently holds the record for most number of Cylons romantically involved with in the series: six. Four of these are [[Number Six]]es, beginning (and, eventually, ending) with [[Caprica-Six]], [[Gina Inviere]], [[Virtual Six]] and lastly, [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]]. The fifth is [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|Number Three]]. The sixth is [[Tory Foster]].
*Baltar's first name, Gaius, is taken from [[w:Gaius Julius Caesar|Gaius Julius Caesar]]. Likewise, his father's name is Julius. The character of Baltar derives many characteristics from the Roman emporer of which he is named after, most notably, his [[w:hubris|hubris]].
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