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'''Previous discussions:'''

*[[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01|Archive 1 (September 10th, 2005 to November 31st, 2005)]]:

:[[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Verb Tense|Verb Tense]], [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Ship Naming, Abbrevation and Capitalization Standards|Ship Naming, Abbrevation and Capitalization Standards]], [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Signing Your Work|Signing Your Work]], [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Spelling|Spelling]], [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Single-name Address|Single-name Address]], [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Episode Links and Formatting|Episode Links and Formatting]], [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Proposed Guidelines for Dispute Resoluton on Speculative Matters|Proposed Guidelines / Speculative Matters]], [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Quorum of Twelve|Quorum of Twelve]], [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive01#Namespaces|Namespaces]]

*[[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02|Archive 2 (December 1st, 2005 to Present)]]:

:[[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Disambiguation|Disambiguation]]


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== Image Sizes ==

I tend to think that images that are whole-screen captures (and thus letterbox dimensions) should be about 300px wide. This is, however, based entirely on how that looks on my browser window, which is pretty large, but not maximized on a 1280x1026 resolution. So that might look horrid on some other screen. Anyway, with that in mind, I resize all my full-screen captures to be 600px wide since that's a nice two times what I think they should be viewed at. Should I be even thinking this way, or should I just be telling the articles to be thumbs and set my preferences for larger thumbs? In the case of cropped screen-caps, though, I think 300px is too wide, or rather, often too tall. How do others think on this? --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:21, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

:Yes, use your preference settings for this. FWIW, I'm a fan of judicious cropping. It helps make smaller thumbs more legible. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:28, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

:: If you're trying to illustrate something specific, sure, cropping is needed in most cases. However, for episode pages and, I think, when trying to show a scene, the whole screen is good for its sense of context. I could be wrong. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:09, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

== Image Credit ==

Okay... Most images are gonna be screen caps we get from the shows. In which case the credit should go directly to the SciFi Channel, SkyOne Network or Universal Studios. The question is, which one? Or should it be all three? Or does Universal own the two channels and so saying "Cedit: SciFi/SkyOne" is enough? Or... What do you guys think? --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:56, 21 September 2005 (EDT)
: Universal Studios. They own the copyright. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:26, 23 September 2005 (EDT)
:: Following wikipedia's example, we don't need to credit image copyrights in-text, do we? It should be enough to note copyright status on the image's description page. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:27, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

== The Freakin' Quote-o-Matic ==

It's not very -o-Matic, is it? ;o) Anyway, I think we need a standard for how they're formatted. I prefer the following:

:"The line, in normal-weighted text, enclosed in double quotes."

:--''Rank and Name in Italics'' ("Episode Name")

It would also be nice to figure out how to go and look at quotes entered for days other than the current day. What do others think? --[[User:Day|Day]] 19:00, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

::As far as looking at previous quotes, that's a Joe question, though it would be welcome. Joe mentioned that the template info has to be added manually, but a creative wikipedia might work something out from a large database. At first I added at most 2 lines as a quote, but now I stick to one quote. I think the style you noted worked well (it did for my two contributions this week), so let's see if we all say so. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:50, 25 September 2005 (EDT)

::: Well, if you want to keep track of all the quotes, why not just add them to [[:Category:Quotes]]? Theoretically, every quote should then be linked from that category page. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:44, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: However, it's a bit late for quotes already put up, no? --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:49, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: Wait. Is [[Quotes|this page]] automated somehow? If so, then a Quotes category is kind of moot. I remember looking at it a while ago, though, and it having no date information and just a single quote in it. --[[User:Day|Day]] 13:04, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

On second thought, I prefer this:

:"The line, in normal-weighted text, enclosed in double quotes."
:--Rank and Name in Normal (''Episode Name'')

For full exchanges I think something like this would work:

:'''Rank and Name 1:''' Humorous battle banter aimed at Speaker 2.
:'''Rank and Name 2:''' Scathing insult.
:'''Name 1:''' Pithy retort.
:--''Episode Name''

What do you guys think of this? If no one replies in a few days, I'll start soliciting opinions on people's talk pages and via AIM. After a few more days, I'll simply make an executive decision and put this policy up. I think it would be best to link it at the head of the [[Quotes]] page, too. When the time comes. --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:05, 28 October 2005 (EDT)

::Day, I've been adapting that format (per your original thoughts) and I find it works well. My only problem is insuring a proper break between the quote(s) and the name and episode for single-quotation blocks. I think this thing has languished long enough to put up a quick vote or 5-day consensus/no-objection period, where we can make this the practice (and retrofit all recorded quotes to match if necessary). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:42, 1 November 2005 (EST)

::: COnsider this that period. Also, do you mean you like the break, but you're concerned about adding it for some reason that I do not understand, or do you mean that your dislike tags? --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:46, 1 November 2005 (EST)

:::: Okay. I'm about to put my above policy up. I think I'll have to play with it for a bit to get the display format the way I want it for ease of copying and for users who know nothing of HTML. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:02, 11 November 2005 (EST)

::::: I would suggest putting this policy (when it is finalized) and a note about not repeating quotes right on the [[Quotes]] page where the "This is a list of quotes..." statement is. [[User:Nwobkwr|Nwobkwr]] 19:59, 17 November 2005 (EST)

I noticed that people have started putting in quotes from the original series. I think this is great but in terms of standardization I would follow the same idea as used on the [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Main_Page Memory Alpha wiki]:
* If it is an original series episode, quote as [[TOS]]: <nowiki>[[episode title]]</nowiki>
* If it is a 1980 series episode, quote as [[1980]]: <nowiki>[[episode title]]</nowiki>
* If it is a re-imagined series episode, quote as [[RDM]]: <nowiki>[[episode title]]</nowiki>
[[User:Nwobkwr|Nwobkwr]] 13:46, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:Not a bad idea, Nwobkwr, but it might get cumbersome. Might I suggest we use only the "TOS" flag for TOS and 1980 episodes, and leave the RDM episodes as-is? This gives a slant to the current series, but then, we will have many more quotes from RDM than from the old series since transcripts of the TOS/80 shows are far less available than the current. It also saves on visual complexity. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:30, 30 November 2005 (EST)

::I think we should put the dab in the episode credit, and only when there are episodes in each series with the same title. (basically, "The Hand of God".) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:53, 30 November 2005 (EST)

Another thing to consider. In light of [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Quote_of_the_Day/09_30&curid=3654&diff=19411&oldid=19408 this] quote, should we allow non-BSG quotes on a longer-than-one-shot basis? I think it would be okay, but others (obviously) don't. I'd like a few more opinions and some actual discussion, rather than just editing. --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:00, 13 December 2005 (EST)

== Links ==

So, in my opinion, the first occurance of nearly any proper noun should be a link. Even the thing an article is about. This means that the first occurance of an article's topic will be in bold, which I think is nice. For longer articles, I think linking becomes kind of discretionary. If someone hasn't been mentioned (or linked, maybe) in a while, then they could/should be linked. Also, episode credits at the end of an event description should ''always'' be linked. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:19, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

:Using links-to-self to bold title text is discouraged by the Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Article titles|Manual of Style]]. In general I think we should defer to Wikipedia for guidance except where we feel a justified need to explicitly contradict them. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:02, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

:: Ah. I think that's probably wise. Should we, then, manually '''bold''' them (or, in the case of ship names, '''''bold-italicize''''' them), or leave it out all together? --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:40, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

:::Manually bold. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:41, 2 October 2005 (EDT)

== HTML ==

I, ah, didn't think this was exactly necessary, but, uh... I think, now, it might be. Do we need to make a note about preffering <nowiki>''</nowiki> to ? I see various posts that have several changes, but leave the HTML intact. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:51, 21 October 2005 (EDT)
: Agreed. Wiki sytnax should always supersede HTML sytnax. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:29, 22 October 2005 (EDT)
: Adendum: By the way, I created two templates: {{tl|s}} and {{tl|u}} for <del>striking out</del> and underlining text, respectfully. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:36, 22 October 2005 (EDT)
::HTML isn't exactly tasteful, but isn't it preferable to templates? HTML and wikisyntax both retain their formatting if moved to another wiki, but anything formatted with templates won't. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:17, 22 October 2005 (EDT)
::: Good point, Peter... Maybe "hacking" MediaWiki might be an option, so as to create wikisyntax for underlining? Yes, this would undoubtedly create similar problems, but if a patch was submitted to the MediaWiki developers then they may introduce it (or something like it) into future versions of the software. Just a thought... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:58, 22 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: What would you have the Wiki Markup be? Underscores and dashes, maybe? Might be dangerous, but perhaps it would require two of each in a row? Or three? I was thinking that _underline_ would render underline and that -strike- would render <s>strike</s>. However, I don't want underscores to mess up URLs or for strike-outs to mess up use of the em-dash, which is often substituted by the double-en dash (--). I'd just as soon use the HTML tags (except that it would get in the way of validating the HTML of the Wiki in XHTML 1.0 Strict, if that's a concern). Maybe we could use !!underline!! and !!!strike!!! or something. Ohoh! What about ``underline`` and ```strike```. Of course... you could go nuts and <nowiki>'''''`````italic bold underline strike`````'''''</nowiki> for '''''<s>italic bold underline strike</s>'''''. Sounds like a fighting more from some anime. Heh. --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:52, 23 October 2005 (EDT)

::::: The biggest one I saw a problem was with the Overview's in each of the episode's. I was seeing all the time. So.. that's my two cents. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 17:59, 17 March 2006 (CST)

== Verb Tense 2 ==

While it may be a "convention" within fiction articles about an episode, the verb tense issue is not using present-tense within an encyclopedia unless something is still ongoing. As I posted in the main page talk page and on a user whom made me aware of the verb tense issue, I posit that this convention be changed for the actual entries for the people, places, things. In other words, in the episode pages, the verb tense would stay as it is, but the verb tense in the individual article entries for say "Gaius Baltar" which would be the encyclopedic entry on him, would follow the norms and conventions used in other encyclopedias. That convention being, again using Gauis Balter's entry, the descriptions of Baltar's background, and events which have already occurred on Caprica, etc. be in the past-tense, whereas referring to him as the Vice-President, and duties onboard Galcatica, etc. would be present-tense since this is the current state within the timeline of the show at present. This would of course be edited as events unfold within the show. If for example he is removed form office as VP, then the verb tense would change for that piece of information as well as adding in how he stopped being VP, etc.

Likewise passages about say the development of the Mark II Viper would be past-tense, while the current disposition and capabilities of the Mark II would be present-tense. Not trying to be overly pedantic, but if we were to use and adopt the convention that this "encyclopedia" were to be discussing things and concepts within BSG as if it "were real" so-to-speak, like say in a present day encyclopedia would describe the development of the F-14 Tomcat in past-tense terms but describe current description of the presently active variants of the F-14 (i.e. the F-14D) and its deployment and present status within the arsenal of the United States Navy, it would be present-tense. Contrast that with descriptions of say, a WWII German Stuka Bomber which would all be past-tense in a current day encyclopedia.

This sort of tense usage within things such as the ''Star Trek'' technical manuals, Omnipedia's etc., which match he tense usage of current "real world" encyclopedias. Again, not trying to be a bull in a china shop as the new guy on the block, but it is rather jarring to read encyclopedic entries which do not follow the verb tense conventions used in "real world" ones. [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 22:54, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:I can see why you feel that way, but past tense sounds horrible in a literary criticism context, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect "star trek encyclopedia"-style articles to be free of critical analysis. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:26, 1 December 2005 (EST)

::I am not suggesting that the past tense be used in the literary criticism and or episode entries or sections, but in the encyclopedia type entries. It isn't just the ''Star Trek'' encyclopedias but encyclopedias et all which use the past tense for historical or background content and present tense about current status content. In other words, in all encyclopedias (and I post those style content sections here) would say:

:::"Bill Clinton was born ''(past tense)'' in Hope Arkansas, and was elected President in 1992 ''(past tense)'' and after leaving office ''(past tense)'' now lives ''(present tense)'' in the State of New York and has ''(present tense)'' offices in New York City."

::If he were to move to Anchorage Alaska to live and had offices in Juno Alaska this would be updated in a real encyclopedia to read:

:::"Bill Clinton was born ''(past tense)'' in Hope Arkansas, and was elected President in 1992 ''(past tense)'' after leaving office he lived ''(past tense)'' in the State of New York and had ''(past tense)'' offices in New York City, on Dec 2nd, he moved ''(past tense)'' to Alaska and now lives ''(present tense)'' in Anchorage and has ''(present tense)'' offices in Juno."

::To use present tense throughout this site, to be honest it reads awkward in many places. Not to mention that it does shatter the kinda cool suspension of disbelief aspect to have an encyclopedia ''Galactica''. — [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 00:38, 2 December 2005 (EST)

:::The idea of a fictional "encyclopedia Galactica" is patently not this site's goal. We document plenty of in-canon stuff, certainly, but we have a great quantity of content given over to actors, writers, behind-the-scenes material, critical analysis, and three or four different incarnations of the series. I don't have any interest in working toward the false document mystique, personally. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:35, 2 December 2005 (EST)

:::: Well for me personally, that is 9/0ths of the appeal of wanting to work on things at this site. Particularly since BSG in its re-=imagined form is a rich subject to do just that, because of the attention to detail and "realism" as the underlying ethos of the show. Having a robust wiki that reenforces and builds out upon that quality of the show is, to my mind, ideal. Not saying you have to want that to, but it is a real cold shower for me perosnally. Just my 2/100ths of a cubits worth. — [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 20:53, 3 December 2005 (EST)

::::I can appreciate Lestatdelc's arguments on using present-tense, and it took me a bit to digest, but I agree with the standing convention. I've recently discovered the Star Trek Memory Alpha wiki (wow, and to think such a wiki could be done is amazing to me) and reviewed a few pages at random. Many use past tense there, but some, like the page on the excellent episode, [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Enterprise_Incident "The Enterprise Incident"], is successfully written in present-tense. I suspect that Memory Alpha hasn't a verb tense convention there, but note how the active-tense generates a feel of the characters ''doing'' something, rather than being "historical". As Peter explained to me, fictional characters are always in the act of doing something each time you read or watch them--and after a time I realized how correct he was--it keeps the characterization alive to me and to the article. The use of the verb tense also makes it more challenging to write the article as good fiction tends to evolve--in an active voice. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:15, 2 December 2005 (EST)

::::::But we in theory are not advancing the story but discussing what has occurred on the show and describing the details of the universe presented in the show (as well as "about the show(s) themselves). If we take the notion of suspension of disbelief at face value, and imagine the events of BSG not being fiction and documenting the events and details there of, particularly in encyclopedic form we would present events which have occurred as past tense, and present status and ongoing things in present tense. What Peter has said up-thread is that there is no interest in such a thing for him personally (and it would seem that most concur) I would consider it unfortunate as this is a great missed opportunity. I think that such "false document" mystique is actually something that has rather large appeal, witness the massive industry of such things in the ''Star Trek'' fandom, from blueprints, tech manuals, omnipedias, and the entire supplemental industry to the RPG medium. As for other projects about fictional stories and their universes, I would point to things like the [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp The Encyclopedia of Arda] which is based on the Tolkien universe. I don't wish to be a disrupting presence here, especially being a "nugget" as it were, but I think this is a bad call for a missed opportunity. I can envision a clear convention which would allow for discussing each incarnation of the series and the "about the show" aspect in tandem with the "in universe" repository of content about said universe in the style of such things as the Trek universe things of Omnipedia, Concodrance, Tech Manuls, etc. and the Arda/Tolkien examples. — [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 20:53, 3 December 2005 (EST)

::::: If one cares to review the earlier verb tense discussion, I originally thought past tense was the Way To Go. However, now I stand with the current convention (I think this is also displayed in the past discussion, but I'm too lazy to check). I agree with the present-tense being used to talk about, say, the ''Oddesey'' or ''The Matrix'' or ''Friends'' or whatever, but those aren't, to me, the most compelling points, good as they may be. The compelling point is, once again, that I'm lazy. The amount of man-hours it would take to update the tense in every character bio every week while the show's not on hiatus is, well, a lot. We have a hard enough time with the stuff that's already within scope and I don't see Lest's reasons as nearly as compelling as the three against: Added workload, literary precedent, and more "alive" feel (to borrow Spence's word). And, more specifically, I, too, find the false-documentary idea only "eh" at best. The new series is shot in a way that kind of feels like a documentary, but let's leave that to them and let's us do our own thing. And, in any case, how would one account for multiple series and spoilers in a documentary? Bleh. We might have to start talking in alternate realities or [[railgun|adaptive physics]] if we went down ''that'' road. ;) --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:24, 3 December 2005 (EST)

:::::: Well we would be updating the character entries anyway as new events unfold, and placing those events in past tense as they are entered is no more work than putting them there in present tense. The only distinction would be what is currant and ongoing status. For example "Gaius Baltar is the VP in the government" which stays like that until events change that, which would be editing that entry to add whatever event changed that anyway. In fact having both be present tense would be really awkward from a readers perspective. I would also point out that it is not "false documentary" so much as "false document" i.e. if there were an up-tp-the-minute encyclopedia that covered the vast array of things '''within''' that BSG universe that was "passed through" the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscenium proscenium] to us here, that is the style of content about the things within the show which I posit, should be presented in the relevant verb-tense. And the "outside the proscenium" content, about the show, the actors, episode summary, analysis, and comparisons between series, etc. would all be in the present tense which, I agree is much more natural and engaging. I don't honestly see it as more work once the bulk of such tense resolution is done to the exiting content where needed, and as I have posited (probably to the point you guys wanna toss me out the nearest door me already, sheepish grin) would hold much more appeal to me and I am sure others of whom it is demonstratively evident there is an audience for, otherwise fandom and official creation of things like blueprints, tech manuals, etc. for other series stuff, which is presented as if they were "genuine documents" from said universe depicts in those various shows, would not be so prevalent. Again, not trying to be cantankerous or difficult. — [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 20:53, 3 December 2005 (EST)

::::::: I would also really prefer past tense. Like Lestatdelc says, it creates the feel of the article being real. Starwars Wiki always uses past tense, and refers to the articles as being written "in-universe", which to me sums up why past tense is so good. Writing is present tense sounds like someone is writing the events as they watch them on TV, which kind of takes you out of it. Also, I personally find present tense just seems really clumsy. It's like reading a little childs picture book (without so many pictures, and uh, bigger words :) ). Day makes an good point about keeping with the documentary style, and as for alternate series and spoilers, just check how starwars wiki handles non-canon and spoilers. It would be a bit of work to change, but not too much if lots of people work on it. One more point, it might be easier to convince those who are new here to write in past-tense than in present-tense (which seems like an uphill battle). Anyone else agree, or are us pro-past-tense people just in the minority here?--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 22:13, 16 January 2006 (EST)

::::::::As I've stated above, the "in-universe" conceit does not appeal to me at all. Present tense prose is more difficult to write than past tense, but I think the results are crisper and sound more professional. The process forces one to pay closer attention to their writing style.
::::::::As for your comment about convincing "those who are new here to write in past-tense", I find that notion troubling. This matter is such that there can only be one standard. The purpose of the Standards and Conventions process is (naturally) to create and promulgate a consistant style. If you wish to change the policy, discussion here is the place to effect it, not through unilateral action. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:34, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::::You've misunderstood me, I was merely suggesting a change - one which I don't expect will happen, and I'm fine with that. My comment was that at the moment people are coming in and writing past-tense, and having to be told to write in present-tense as they have not read these standards. I was saying that one advantage of changing the standard to past-tense would be that they would probably not have to be told. I'm not about to tell people to go against the standard - that we have one standard is more important than what it is anyway.--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 00:11, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::::: I also think that present tense sounds more academic. As has been noted before (more than once), this style was initially adopted chiefly because that is the accepted academic style when writing about works of fiction. This is one of the ways in which we attempt to be encyclopedic. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:55, 17 January 2006 (EST)

== Ranks and Locations ==

Okay. So I was playing this [[Quotes:09 29|this quote]] and I ran into an issue. In Civillian Speak, I'd call Apollo "''[[Galactica]]'''s [[CAG]], Captain [[Lee Adama]]", but I have an inkling that in Military Speak he'd be something like "[[CAG]] (''[[Galactica]]''), Cpt. [[Lee Adama]]" or whatever. You'd only use this when needing to differentiate him from, say, the [[CAG]] (''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''), but we might want to. Same goes for [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Laird]]. Does someone with a better grasp of military (specifically US Naval, if possible) conventions with respect to this have a suggestion on what kind of convention we should adopt? I'd love it if it didn't conflict with the current Quote of the Day episode convention (since ''Pesgasus'' is half of the ships this is likely to apply to), but we can always change the QotD thing, if we have to. --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:04, 6 December 2005 (EST)

:I've tended to use the military abbreviation style as the Army used that I learned while a civilian employee.
::ADM, CDR, MAJ, COL, CPT, LT, LTJG, ENS
::CPO, SGT, PVT, SPC
::Deck Hand, Recruits have no specific abbreviation I can find.

:All caps, no spaces or punctuation. There should be plenty of Internet resources for this. And RDM has already noted the format he used, taking it mostly from the Original Series and his military experience. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:15, 18 January 2006 (EST)

:: Enlightening (and I'm just glad someone replied to this at all), but somewhat tangental to my wonderment. I guess it was really about how we're supposed to specify where people are assigned when they have a specific role. In "Pegasus" Tigh and Fisk are both Colonels, but they're ''also'' both XOs, so for would we call one "COL Tigh (XO, ''Galactica'')" and the other "COL Fisk (XO, ''Pegasus'')"? Or what? --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:49, 18 January 2006 (EST)

::: They would be referred to as ''Galactica'' XO and ''Pegasus'' XO repectively. They're referred to by position first, not by name. Unit, Position, rank, name. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 16:02, 18 January 2006 (EST)

:::: So, I guess, with relation to the quotes, we don't really need to say where given characters are assigned... I don't know why I'd gotten that need into my head, really. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:59, 18 January 2006 (EST)

== Image Format ==

Mostly, the images I upload have been .jpg files. That's just what I tend to use on the web by default. However, because we scale our images a lot (i.e. all out thumbs), would it be more prudent to use .png formatting which, I hear, scales better? And, if that's so, should we make a note on this page about preferred image formatting (though, as long as it shows up alright, I don't see why we'd discriminate)? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:09, 23 December 2005 (EST)

:Most imprudent. PNG is far less efficient at compressing photographic images than JPEG. All image scaling is handled by the wiki software, and based on the original JPEG, so no significant generational degredation should exist.
:PNG has its own distinct uses, and is much better than JPEG at line art and schematics. I think this is commonly understood by most internet users, and I don't think that we need an explict policy on it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:32, 23 December 2005 (EST)

== Image Control Station ==
I was working on identifying and classifying unused images that have been uploaded, rather than deleting them outright (at Peter Farago's suggestion). While I started this with the intention of it being something I could handle myself, it has been suggested that it might merit a project or sub-project. I wanted to see if there was any consensus for a project that:

"would take over the Images section of Standards and Conventions (since that's not really where that shouold live, ultimately), and it would cross-coordinate with Characters. I'd want to call it something like Aft Image Control or Auxilliary Image Control... Or, failing those series-references, the Ministry of Images ([[Battlestar Wiki talk:Island of Misfit Images#Project?|Day]])."

Potentially I would move [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images|Island of Misfit Images]] to a Project namespace with a more Galactica-themed title, but it would be a subpage/project of the Image Control Station (to avoid slamming bandwidth-challenged folks that might stumble across the Control Station). The actual control station would be more of a place that coordinate all the image related project pages (present and future).

So the main options I'm proposing are, a project page for Images in general with a subproject for misfit images, just a project/subproject for the misfit images (and we'll link to it from somewhere), or just leave it in Steelviper's user space. (Though I'm open to other ideas as well). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:30, 18 January 2006 (EST)

: I'm, perhaps obviously, in favor of an entire images project. It could also consume Requested Images and have a section for images that we have, but might need bigger/less blurry/just better versions. I think, too, it should probably eat the "List of Characters Wanting Pictures" over at Characters, and have a link to it from there, instead. I mean... while we're doing all this, if we do. However, I think another few opinions are needed before diving off and making the page and doing all this moving and cross-linking, etc. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:30, 20 January 2006 (EST)

::I'm in favor of moving Steelviper's Island of Misfit Images to the Battlestar Wiki namespace, under its current title. I'd like requested images to remain a separate page, although they should be cross-linked to each other. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:39, 20 January 2006 (EST)

::: Why's that, Peter? Just for ease of finding for new users or so that all those images aren't on the requested page (we were thinking, or I was, that the Island would be a sub-page of whatever project it became part of) or what? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:05, 20 January 2006 (EST)

::::It's no favor to my position that I can't articulate my point well, but I just don't feel that either image requests or image deletions would be a logical subcategory of the other. Better just to have Image Requests refer users to check the Island before making a request, and the Island refer users to Image Requests before deleting an image. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:47, 20 January 2006 (EST)

::::: Hrm. I see your point, but I wasn't thinking that one would be, well, inside the other, for lack of a better phrase. I was more thinking of a hierarchy like this:

::::: '''Images Project'''
:::::* Requested Images
:::::** Characters
:::::** Episodes
:::::** Locations
:::::** Equipment
:::::** etc.
:::::* Island of Misfit Images
:::::** As currently organized
:::::* Images needing improvement
:::::** Characters
:::::** Episodes
:::::** etc.
:::::* Images to be deleted

::::: It's not precisely clear there, but they're all on the same level, I'd just put the Misfits on a page of their own to keep load times to a minimum. Maybe that's too ambitious, though? Anyway, now if you disagree, I at least am certain you know precisely what you're disagreeing with. I'm not sure I was entirely clear before. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:10, 20 January 2006 (EST)

::::::What goes on the hub then, besides links to the sub-pages? I do agree that an "images needing improvement" category or project would be good for when we ultimately want to upgrade from TV captures to DVD screenshots. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:18, 20 January 2006 (EST)

Any updates on this? So far the only action proposed (by somebody other than the guys trying to sell the "Control Station") is moving the island to the BW namespace. It's been around long enough that I'd be comfortable doing that if there is consensus that it belongs there. People might be more willing to hack and slash on it if it were out of my user area (even though people are already welcome to tear into it). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:46, 27 January 2006 (EST)

:Please, go ahead with this. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:48, 27 January 2006 (EST)

== Dates ==

Do we have a convention for dates? I am referring here to ''Earth'' dates; i.e., those pertaining to the production, such as brodcasts and DVD releases. I have seen at least these four: "Jan 20 2006", "January 20 2006", "20 January 2006", and "January 20th, 2006". Which is preferred? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 03:46, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:Note sure. Didn't know if it really mattered. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:02, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:: Personally, I prefer "4 January 2006", but that's me. I think having the whole month out is goo, whichever order we decide on. Normal American convention is "January 4, 2006". So... that's my two cubits. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:13, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:::I'm partial to the "4 January 2006" format, myself. M/D/Y is a crime against civilized mathematics. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:19, 20 January 2006 (EST)

::::I agree too. Plus, the M/D/Y format may be more confusing to non-US readers. (For example the UK does D/M/Y)[[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:26, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:::::For what it's worth, as I was going through all the eposide info boxes, I found the majority to be in "January 4 2006" style, so I attempted to unify to that format as I went along. I agree with the mathematical elegance of D/M/Y, however, and I dislike the comma and the ordinal number. -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 18:34, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:::::: Yeah. Ordinals suck. I don't care whether we put the date before the month or after, as long as it's clear what each piece of data is. The only argument for using ##/##/#### is to ease the understanding of non-English-speaking people, but--if we want to do that, we need to make translations for the whole Wiki. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:38, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:::::: Y-M-D, all numeric, is easily the nicest for sorting, so I'd say it's the one with "mathematical elegance" by virtue of its computer science elegance. That said, "10 March 2006" is the nicest for instant reading clarity and agrees with the output of <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Commas are a waste, and ordinals would be horrific.
:::::: Anyway, someone should actually put up a consensus if this counts as one; I don't mind going through and standardizing them some day relatively soon. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 11:53, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:So, have we decided what date format is to be used? --[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 04:58, 17 March 2006 (CST)

== Battle pages formatting==

I realize that although I created the battle pages, I never clearly set out the format they should take. Basically, they try to imitate real world battle pages at Wikipedia as much as possible. Using this, I created battle boxes for the entire Lord of the Rings battles series, then just re-applied it here. I'm going to be revamping the boxes in the next few days (no info changes, just formatting changes, nudging, etc. little fixes). However, because they should try to follow real world battle, they should try to stick as closely as possible to these. Long story short, there are 3 basic categories that an "engagement" should fall into:

* A) Battle - large scale engagements
* B) Skirmish - small scale, but noteworthy, engagements
* C) On *''rare''* occasion, alternative names can be used. This largely consists of the "[[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]" which was less a battle a more of a slaughter. This was then re-applied to the "Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards" because it was part of the larger "[[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]". But this was really an exception, for reasons which I think are obvious. I mean, if ever the Galactica crew destroys the entire [[Cylon homeworld]] with a [Wikipedia:Christopher Blair|Temblor Bomb] in season 5 or so, we'd call it the "Fall of the Cylon Homeworld", but otherwise this term is reserved only for engagements resulting in massive damage. Another notable exception is the "[[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot]]"; you see the Battle of the Philippine Sea is so commonly known as the "Great Marianas Turkey Shoot", and RDM said it was directly inspired by this, that I thought it fitting to alter the name to fit that (that, and it took place in an unspecified region of interstellar space, and Basetars don't often have names. I mean, if a Basetar named "''Truth and Reconiciliation''", this battle would be called "Battle of the ''Truth and Reconciliation''" or something. But the engagement in "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" didn't have this. However, "[[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]" ''did'' have a notable ship with a name in it, so it became "Battle of...etc".

Further ground rules to lay out are what actually deserves an article: officially, "[[Skirmish over the Red Moon]]" is about the smallest engagement we're ever really going to make a page for. Generally, something deserves an article if:

*1) A Colonial ship is destroyed (Vipers, Raptors, etc). They can't easily be replaced, and the loss of even one can be considered a blow. (The upcoming engagements in "[[Scar]]" might be a skirmish instead of a battle, depends how many ships are involved at once Note: the fighting in "Scar" involved basically one or two Raiders vs. one or two Vipers at a time, and is thus so drawn out over such a long time period that it's simply too long to be a skirmish).
*2) A massive number of Cylon vessels is destroyed, making the engagement a noteworthy event. For example, the "[[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot]]" resulted in no Colonial losses ''whatsoever'', yet so many Cylons (hundreds of ships) were destroyed that it warrants it's own page.

An example of something that would ''not'' deserve it's own page is like when 2 Raiders were destroyed in "[[Final Cut]]", with no Colonial losses. No personnel or ships were lost, and the losses to the Cylons were insignificant in the extreme (considering that they still have production facilities and the Colonials do not).

As a rule of thumb, any engagement that involves a Battlestar or a Basestar firing it's own guns at the enemy is a "Battle" (Battle of the Coral Sea was a full scale battle, yet no enemy ships directly engaged each other; just fighters). However, if a Battlestar launches Vipers, but doesn't actually get involved in a small scale fight against enemy fightercraft, it's ''probably'' not a battle (case in point, "[[Skirmish over the Red Moon]]".

Nextly, we have the matter of Commanders and Casualties. We don't know who the heck is commanding the Cylon Fleet or if there are "commanders" in the sense we think of aboard the Basestars. Thus they should be left as "unknown" (though if a Basestar is destroyed, you can assume the "commander" died, also if the entire Cylon force is wiped out). Mind you, if we ever see Number Six standing in a Basestar giving orders during a battle, if she actually gives orders she may be listed as a commander. Usually, a Commander is the highest ranking person present; don't bother to list Colonel Tigh if he never actually takes over command from Adama at any point. We should list "Admiral Cain AND Commander Adama" because Adama wasn't really serving "under" her at the time but by joint agreement, etc (complicated).

Casualties are easier now in Season 2; count how many people died in the episode who were *''not''* involved in the battle, then subtract that from next week's survivor count. For example, in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" two people died that weren't in the battle: Admiral Cain and an unnamed ''Pegasus'' Marine. Thus, when we see the survivor count in "[[Epiphanies]]", we should subtract 2 from it, and us that as "casualties" (I got the idea from "Battle of Kobol").

"[[Battle of Kobol]]" was on the whole a messy, drawn out affair as I think you will agree. We agreed that there's a cut off point where Centurion actions in "Home, Part I" no longer count as a battle or skirmish because it was so small scale (again, no Vipers were destroyed, etc).

As for "Numbers" we are keeping a running tally of ships, though "Cylon" numbers are a little tricky. I just go with "associated Raiders and Heavy Raiders" when a Basestar is involved, when no numbers are stated on screen.

As for forces, it's "Cylons" not "Cylon Alliance" (from TOS) because we have no idea what the political structure of the Cylons is. For every battle after the massive loss of 118 Battlestars in the Fall of the Twelve Colonies, every other engagement after this is done by "Remnants of the Colonial Fleet".

I hope that sorts out stuff for now. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:01, 20 January 2006 (EST)

: That's ''awesome'', Ricimer. Now, before we put it up on the main S&C page, I think it needs some concising, though it will be key to not let it become less clear. I would suck at that job, so... please someone else volunteer. I'd also like to see the battle box become a template (as mentioned on your talk page), for ease of changing it if we need to and also for ease of CSS-ifying it so that it can change with themes, eventually. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:25, 20 January 2006 (EST)

::As noted on [[Talk:Battle of the Resurrection Ship]], I continue to prefer "Attack on" for situations where the target is named but the battleground is not. As for [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], there is no reason why "Battle of" wouldn't encapsulate that idea accurately. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:22, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:::Because it's doubtful if shots were even fired by the Colonials at Scorpion; it was a one-sided slaughter, but nonetheless deserved it's own page. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:25, 20 January 2006 (EST)
::::That's a fair point. I continue to believe that "Battle of" is inappropriate when the field of battle has not been specified. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:27, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:::::I'm sorry but this is the format that more or less works. "Battle" is a standard name. "Attack" sounds like a Doolittle Raid, as opposed to the MASSIVE engagement we just saw. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:30, 20 January 2006 (EST)
::::::Your ''ex cathedra'' assertions on style are unbecoming. I am interested to hear the opinions of other users, particularly Joe, who named the page in the first place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:35, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:::::::I fail to see what is rude about this: rather than simply editing pages as I saw fit, you ''told'' me to make a full write up of my view on the subject here, and then let consensus agree or disagree: you are chastising me, for doing as you requested? That said, not ''ex cathedrda'', but with ''plenitudo potestatis'' :) --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:54, 21 January 2006 (EST)
:::::I went to Wikipedia hoping to find a definitive pattern to follow, but came up empty. [[Wikipedia:Battle#Battle naming|Naming Battles]] Apparently the british had a whole committee for this purpose ("British Battles Nomenclature Committee"). While almost all of the battles listed in Wikipedia follow the "Battle of" convention, they are always followed by a geographic reference (which we're not really going to have in this case). If we're going to name it after the resurrection ship, we might consider the outcome as well. Rather than just calling it the "Attack of", we might consider the fact that the result was its destruction. In Star Fleet Battles there was a scenario called "The Mighty Hood Goes Down" that always stuck in my mind (a Klingon ship attacks a greatly disadvantaged ''Hood'', usually resulting in its destruction). I guess that would be similar to "Fall of the Twelve Colonies." ("Destruction of the Resurrection Ship"?) Although that would certainly spoil the ending if someone hadn't seen the episode. Sorry not to be able to take a decisive stand, but hopefully some more people will weigh in. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:29, 21 January 2006 (EST)
:Good info there. Well, If it was them ''surprising the Resurrection Ship alone'', I would go with "Destruction", but instead it was an all-out battle to destroy it, case in point it's the only ever engagement between ''multiple'' Basestars and ''multiple'' Battlestars. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:57, 21 January 2006 (EST)
::That's a good point. With all this focus on the Resurrection ship, I lost sight of the fact that it was essentially a non-combatant. It was the strategic objective, but the actual firepower lay in the basestars and the raiders. I guess naming would have been a lot simpler if they gave us a goofy sector name like the TOS would often do (Hatari sector, etc) to use as a geographic landmark. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:29, 21 January 2006 (EST)
:::I still think "Attack on the Resurrection Ship" is descriptive, succinct, and has a good ring. The fact that the actual combat didn't involve it is incidental - the Resurrection ship was the primary target, and it certainly ''was'' attacked. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:44, 21 January 2006 (EST)\
:::"Battle of the Resurrection Ship" is just as descriptive and succinct when you think about it, and I personally believe that it has a bad ring. Funny thing was, remember when they were doing that recon mission near a moon? (orange one that they flew by in Res Ship Part I), I had hoped that would provide a location (like the Red Moon with Starbuck, etc) however, the actual battle did not take place near there at all. Of course, what WOULD we have called it? Old ''Red Dwarf'' joke about that. It's a "bluey-green planetoid"...they're ALL bluish-green planetoids! (no names, etc). At any rate, it wasn't just attacking that ship; it was a full scale battle between the Basestars and Battlestars. That said, Galactica vs. Pegasus should be deleted, because I intend on merging any relevant information into a short paragraph for "Battle of the Resurrection Ship"; I'm just busy and can't do a full write-up yet. Monday.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 11:32, 22 January 2006 (EST)
::::My sentiment is that "Battle of ~" should be used with the location or nucleus of a battle. I agree with previous comments that the Resurrection Ship was effectively a stationary set piece around which the battle was waged. That it was destroyed does not disqualify it from functioning as a virtual location. The time and place of the battle were directly related to the presence of the Res Ship, so I believe it functcions as a location for our purposes. Insofar as that translates to S&C, shall we say "Battle of ~" necessitates a location, but that locations can include noncombatant targets? (Even if they possess mobility.) -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 22:32, 21 January 2006 (EST)
::On the matter of survivors, we absolutely should not assume that every off-screen casualty that happens between episodes in which a battle takes place was caused by said battle, although it certainly provides an upper limit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:24, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:::Oh, I just meant "follow the pattern we already established with "[[Battle of Kobol]]", that is, say in the casualty box "XX number at most; survivor count decressed by YY, but ZZ number were scene to not die because of the battle" etc. (well, shorter than that). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:28, 20 January 2006 (EST)

== Ages ==

As has come up [[Talk:Saul Tigh#Age|elsewhere]], I'd like to get the age thing going here. I think, by and large, ages should not be included. In the case of Saul Tigh (and any others who meet these criteria after), I think we should include it. Here's my plan: The numbers ''must'' be a link to a note at the bottom citing the source of the information. If that means including a bunch of math at the bottom, so be it. If it gets too big and complex, then we can move it to, say, "Saul Tigh/Age" or whatever. This way, the information is as transparent as we can make it, without muddying up the template with justifications right there. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:29, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:FYI, footnotes do not appear to work inside the character data template. I'm not sure why. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:26, 20 January 2006 (EST)

== Ship gender ==

Which pronouns shall we use for ships? I believe the normal convention is for friendly (for our purposes, colonial) vessels to be referred to as female, and enemy (Cylon) craft as male. IIRC this is consistent with Galactica-Boomer's terminology for the captured raider. (Thus, enemy craft repurposed to the colonials retain their masculine identity.) I would suggest that gender-neutral pronouns for ships should be avoided when possible, if only as a matter of taste. Thoughts? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 18:16, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:I believe the current convention is the female for all ships ([[Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions#Ships]]). I've not heard of using male for enemy ships. I do agree that gender neutrality ought to be avoided, if only to make it easier to translate into Spanish (I'm not very familiar with gender neutrality in that language, other than generally defaulting to masculine). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:29, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:I've never heard of enemy ships being referred to in the masculine. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:46, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:I must have hallucinated it, then. Very well, feminine it is. (Boy do I feel silly for missing the item in Standards and Conventions. I did a search on "gender" but somehow glossed over the big ol' heading.) Thanks for the input. -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 19:17, 21 January 2006 (EST)

Perhaps this goes without saying, but I think it makes sense to leave pronouns neutral when referring to ships in a general sense or on a class basis ("If it is armed, the Blackbird likely fires the same ammunition…") and make them feminine when referring to a ship by name (''Laura'' quickly proves her worth…). Kosher? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 19:24, 21 January 2006 (EST)
:Sounds right. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:50, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:Most navies refer to their vessels in the feminine. I do know that the Russian Navy does refer to its vessels in the masculine.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:25, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::Ah! That must be where I got tangled up. I bet I read a cold war spy novel a decade ago and misremembered the convention. Thanks, Ricimer. Now... can anyone confirm that Galactica-Boomer called the captured Raider a he? If so, should all Autonomous Raiders be masculine? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 04:22, 24 January 2006 (EST)

== XHTML Compliance ==

So. We all (should) know that and are ''Bad''. However, it's (apparently) less common knowledge that all is bad as well. For the [http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/ DOCTYPE] of this website, it should be . All tags must be closed in a XHTML 1.0 Transitional Doctype. I've also learned that <s> is ''equally'' bad for XHTML Documents. Apparently, the tag to be using is <del>. Just thought I'd put this up here and see if anyone had any thoughts before moving it to the S&C page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 21:08, 23 January 2006 (EST)

:This would be particularly relevant if we were using a strict doctype, which, god-willing, will never happen. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:11, 23 January 2006 (EST)

:: Well, yes, I think it would be a bad idea to expect all Wiki contributers to know how to follow strict and to take the time to do it (we use tables for a lot of our formatting stuff), but While we have the Transitional Doctype, I think we should try to do at least that. --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:33, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::: If bots are enabled, I could get a bot to sit on the server and go through the pages and change tags to XHTML and then also to Wiki code.

== Policy? ==
This is policy right? Because then we can add the <nowiki>{{Policy}}</nowiki> tag on the page. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 18:01, 17 March 2006 (CST)

==Replacement and retirement of the term "Humano-Cylon"==

I propose that we replace the term "[[Humano-Cylon]]" with "[[humanoid Cylon]]". The term didn't really expand much outside of BattlestarWiki; I've heard Humalon, BioCylon, Cylon Agents, etc. and other frequent combinations out there. That's not why I want to change it though. In light of the fact that there will soon be a Human/Cylon Hybrid on the show, and I've put a lot of thought into this over several days, and I can only come to the conclusion that leaving the terms as they are will lead to dreadful confusion unless changed. I mean, they were called "Humano-Cylons", "Humalons" because they're Cylons that are "like" Humans, but now we're going to have a Hybrid that is a genuine cross between the two on a cellular, nay, molecular level. I know it will take a lot of work (I'm willing to do it), but I think we should phase out "Humano-Cylon" because it was never canonical, and will be all too readily confused with the hybrid. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:51, 24 January 2006 (EST)
:I agree that Humano-Cylon should go. The term initially struck me as clumsy, though I didn't question it because it was so widespread in the Wiki. I wonder if we could get by with plain old "Cylon" when the context is clearly RDM; Centurions, after all, are usually called out as such. Within the world of the show, the usual term seems to be Cylon. I also feel we should avoid adopting other contrived portmanteaux (Humalon et al.) -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 05:21, 24 January 2006 (EST)
::That is a good point, and a surprisingly elegant solution. I approve. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 09:54, 24 January 2006 (EST)

On top of this, I think it's time that we created a page for the [[Cylon-Human Hybrid]]; info is gathering and Sharon's daughter is going to be a pivotal character eventually (consquently, I've heard that the later episode of Stargate SG-1 season 9 will focus on Vala Mal Doran (Claudia Black) returning with a "miracle pregnancy", unfortunately her daughter turns out to be the physical manifestation of the bad guys, the Ori, and she will be sort of the bad guys "messiah" figure in their 10th season. It makes you think...). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:51, 24 January 2006 (EST)

And while I'm on the subject, I think that she should make separate character pages for Cylon "copies" that develop individual traits over time. For example, we should keep a main "Sharon Valerii" page, with stubs for the main articles for "Galactica-Sharon" and "Pegasus-Sharon". Also, Gina should probably have her own page separate from the main Number Six article, as she's differentiated into a separate character.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:51, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:I also agree we should split the Cylon copies. Perhaps (using your example) the "Sharon Valerii" page might well be nothing more than a disambiguation, and contributers would be encouraged to link directly to "Sharon Valerii (Galactica)" or "Sharon Valerii (Caprica)". Migrating all the links would be a substantial project, but one I feel is worth taking, and sooner the better. As for naming convention - it might not work every time, but perhaps the location where that copy is first introduced? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 05:21, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::This is long, so forgive me, but there are important issues that change our nature that I cannot agree to.

::Let's deal with the terminology change first. I had my qualms about "humano-Cylon" when I first saw it, but it is an efficient term to differentiate these beings from robotic Cylons here, especially given that the show has not really furnished a unique term. "Cylon Agent" is the closest that the show has used, with "human models" and "Cylon humans" after that. ''Battlestar Wiki'' has many articles that use descriptive terms as placeholders in lieu of a canonical name: "[[Presidential security service]]", "[[Identification Tags]]", and "[[Colonial wireless alphabet]]" are other examples. "Cylon agent" can be used as a placeholder redirect if one is tired of typing it, but we need more reason than "we don't like the term" to change "Humano-Cylon" now, as it appears on many, ''many'' articles here. And frankly, it's grown large enough that purging it will be very difficult. Our naming conventions are here for a reason, so making exceptions for the Sharon Valeriis diminishes our effectiveness as an encyclopedia, which MUST NOT be ambiguous, strive to keep to the basic definition and not wallow about in subdefinitions as an unnecessary article into itself--which is what you are proposing. "Humano-Cylon" is ''very'' popular here, and what goes on in the "outside world" doesn't really matter in the context of maintaining this wiki, so long as others can use their own terms and we provide appropriate redirects to our article as appropriate. I understand the spirit of what you're suggesting, but we lack a sufficient "why", in my opinion. Although I see a good reasoning between what are "Cylons" in RDM and what are "robot Cylons" that can withstand further debate, I think we should adjust the wiki as the characters do: when the characters begin to see the Cylons with human traits and not a machine to be shut down, our data here should reflect it. Otherwise, differentiating them to any large degree would be like writing bios on the "Borg" drones from "Star Trek." No point, as they are all generally the same.

::Two: Sharon's baby has '''not been born yet'''. Do ''not'' assume it will come to term. Imagine the holy hell that the Cylons will unleash if they learn that it ''doesn't''. Imagine the political hell in the Fleet if it ''does''. Either way works well for the writers, so we can't make the assumption. Ron Moore has promised some radical changes for the Fleet at the end of this season, and much of this could involve that child to be. Once we know for certain that this hybrid is born and is even given a name, then a page is quite appropriate and necessary. But until then, creating an article for this or any other hybrids or proposed character to-be goes against our sourcing policies (it's speculation until shown in an episode) and is premature (no pun intended).

::Three: To differentiate between the Valerii's and other Cylon agents is asking for trouble at present. They are identical in creation and mission; if they begin to vary on that mission, a subarticle is written. The [[Number Six]] article shows at least three variations and it appears to work well. Now, a number of articles are becoming long, true. But, as a wiki, we haven't created a policy yet as to how to break up or concise such data as it relates to these character bios. We ''have'' worked out a process for the [[Cylons (RDM)]] and [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] article series, which could be adopted for the characters with some thought. Changes that are more POV or assumptive like these, and less in form to the wiki's overall format or mission are detrimental, IMO. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:44, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:::I don't think the show has yet provided a canonical term to distinguish the "human models" from the more mechanical models. I think "Cylon Agent" would be a good placeholder/redirect, but that's based on the writing on a folder and not consistent adoption within the show. One thing that hasn't been established well (at least in my mind) is WHO the Cylons are. Are the humanoid-cylons the new, REAL cylons (with centurions, raiders, etc. serving their interests)? Or are all models part of a true "Cylon collective" (resistance is futile) where everybody is considered equally "Cylon". If the humano-Cylons prove to be the "real" Cylons, then I would see them taking more of a prominent role at Cylons (RDM). Until then, I think that any term we use is just serving as a placeholder.

:::Even if Sharon's offspring (I'm not sure if baby is the right word) comes to term and is born, I'm not sure that Cylon-human hybrids deserve an article of their own. Peanut butter gets an article, and jelly gets an article. Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches even get an article (being a distinct, important, and common combination of the other two). However, just because somebody once made a peanut butter and tuna sandwich doesn't mean that it necesarily would merit an article. The offspring would DEFINITELY merit its own article, but until proven otherwise would be a unique proof-of-concept. All information about her would represent the totality of what we know about the hybrids, until such time that more hybrids come into being. (That is if she even comes into being. Adama may yet "drown the baby in the pond.") --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:38, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::::A note on the offspring: perhaps it would be fun to create a short, amusing-but-still-relevant biography page for the fetus ("prebiography"?), noting its (can we say ";;her" because Sharon said so?) unique physiological properties, Baltar and Six's fascination with her, political ramifications of her delivery or lack thereof. A nod, if you will, to the "life begins at conception" faithful. I realize such a page could easily become political, insulting, or trivial, but I think it's worth a shot. Treating the subject like a regular character bio affords plenty of oppurtunity for ironic humor as well, as with the [[Toaster]] article. Yeah? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 14:39, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:::::The Cylon-Human Hybrid article cannot be created until after the episode in which it is born. It is BattlestarWiki's firm policy to categorically deny the "life begins at conception" viewpoint and instead support the life at birth viewpoint. An embryo which is little more than a clump of cells, the potential for life, yes, but not life. Regardless, following the tenets [[Naturalistic science fiction]], BSG supports "realistic" ''science'', as opposed to "opinions". Creating the article ''before'' the child is born would undermine ''BattlestarWiki's'' established stance against "life begins at conception", and creating it before the birth would be like holding up a big sign saying "we support Life-At-Conception". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 14:51, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::::::I hope I'm not stepping into a political debate here, because that is not my aim at all. But can you provide support for your claim that BattlestarWiki has a firm policy on this topic? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 15:00, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::''Battlestar Wiki'' has no policy on the matter of the status of a fetus, Ricimer. This is a ''non-sequitur'' that actually worsened your position, not reinforced it. In short: Don't make stuff up. Everyone here can see and (and in most cases, edit) all policies. That said, jumping down to new thread and clarification... --15:37, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::::::::No, no, sorry; I was being really sarcastic. Sorry, I thought everyone could tell. Well, if not, "that life at conception is a policy thing I just wrote was just a sarcastic joke". I appologize for the inconvenience. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:06, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:::As for the Valerii problem... I think that's going to be a tricky issue. "Caprica" Valerii does seem to behave distinctly differently from "Galactica" Valerii, and both of those differently than the other "Caprica"/command Valerii. I'm not sure it has been definitively proven whether they are unique individuals, or whether they are just playing different roles based on what the mission calls for. Personally I like the current grouping by "model", though I might more seriously rethink if their individuality/uniqueness is eventually proven. I think "Downloaded" would be pretty decisive (if it hasn't been canceled as rumored).

:::Feel free to copy my sig to any of these if you need to repond to an individual issue. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:38, 24 January 2006 (EST)

A few points to clarify:

'''One''': I didn't suggest this simply because I "don't like" the term "Humano-Cylon". I was actually okay with the continued use of it, until the Hybrids came along. The ''*ENTIRE*'' reason I have raised this issue of changing the name is officially "'''I think it will get confused with the Cylon-Human Hybrid'''". Just wanted to clarify that.

'''Two''': I did not expect the pages to be changed immediately, and I understand that Caprica-Sharon's daughter hasn't been born yet: The reason I ''put foward'' the issue now, is so that we could have a lenghty amount of time to debate the issue and set up parameters and rules for this change here, in advance, so there will be less confusion later. Never too early to debate. I wanted to get the ball rolling.

'''Three''': Regardling the popularity and practical removal of "Humano-Cylon": How do we know it was ever "very popular"? I only used it because it was the term that this wiki was already using when I got here. Curious, can we have a show of votes here of who actually "likes" the term enough to keep it? (largely irrelevant, sorry, I'm just saying; How can we quantify it as "popular", when in the earliest days ("In the Long-Long Ago"...) BattlestarWiki used that name and redirected all future references to these begins to that page. ''Post hoc, ergo propter hoc''.

What I meant by stating that it's "not used much outsite of BattlestarWiki" is that I mean it isn't based on anything outside of this wiki, ***so we can feel free to change it without being fettered by external constraints. I mean that changing it will not contradict other material out there.

As for "practical removal", recently we gutted this entire wiki updating "Commander Adama" to "William Adama" following his promotion to Admiral. If such as pervasive name as Commander Adama can be replaced and revised, surely there will be not so great difficulty in replacing "Humano-Cylon" with "humanoid Cylon", etc. (That's my personal choice, but any other name that ''doesn't'' sound like "Humalon" or something (the Hybrid confusion, etc) would be okay after a vote).

'''Four''': The separation of Cylon copies with distinct personalities into different character pages. I was willing to ignore this through season 1, but after hearing about "Downloaded" I realized that we'd have ''two'' copies of Sharon, each distinct from both the other standard Sharon-copies AND each other, on the show. And the more I thought about it, the more I think they have finally reached the point where they need to be considered separate major characters with their own pages. ***Again, we can do this after "Downloaded" airs, I just wanted to get discussion started now, so we know what to do ahead of time. Yes, I did PLAY AROUND with creating separate pages for both two days ago (after which made the request here in standards and practices), but at the time I wanted to raise interest in the issue and experiment with how this would work.

Thoughts?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 14:23, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:To Spencerian's points on terminology: (1) The lack of a solid canonical term is a valid argument for keeping the old term ''only until a new term is agreed upon''. Clearly we do not wish to frivolously or rashly change the Wiki; hence this discussion. (2) The difficulty of the task is not a disqualifier, as Ricimer has stepped forward to take it on, and I'm certain others of our cadre will pitch in. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but could not a search-and-replace bot easily change such a unique term as "Humano-Cylon"? (3) I don't see how this represents an exception for Sharon Valerii. I believe we're talking about replacing the term globally. Can you elaborate on this point? (4) If you are waiting for the characters to realize cylons are not merely machines to be shut down, I assume you are referring to the mainstream colonial opinion. There are plenty of characters (Helo, Baltar, all of the Cylons, and [[Demand Peace]], who give them a bit more credit. -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 14:57, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::Thanks for the clariification. On the work front, of course, the changing of the terms throughout isn't an impossible undertaking, but note that once a term is in use, it's hard to stop. In the case of the Cylons of RDM, an article is already there. To make the changes, we have to go all the way for all pages or not at all to ensure that referencing info, as well as the info itself, remains consistent. Ricimer's point #4, which I've suggested on the Valerii page, using [[Sharon Valerii]] as a disambig/parent page where subarticles for supporting characters that have appeared should keep article sizes down while organizing data well. I'm all for this idea the more I think of it. "Sharon Valerii" is like a class of ship (all generally the same), but each ship has a characteristic identity (Boomer, Caprica-Valerii), thus the parent page and subarticles for all major players. Sorry if I confused you on my thoughts on this.

::The Cylons, be they truly biological and not to be treated as machine, are still the central adversary of the Colonials. While the characters can make their judgements on what they see the Cylons to be, we as wikipedians just report what we see, ultimately--we don't make the "news". In other words, if Adama (who runs the Fleet) sees the Cylons as a threat, they still have to be reported here in that light. Helo and others may have differing opinions, which should also be added. We must spin interpretation very cautiously and not to interpret it as fact. With that, I'm in favor of "Cylon agent" (the most commonly used term in the show, IMO) for a H-O replacement, but still, "Cylons (no suffix)" may also have merit. Current aliases are still OK, but the convention would be for that. I also suggest that we form parent/child pages for each of the Cylons (see, I'm doing it already now that I understand the subtle point) to avoid confusion and oversized articles. This also prevents issues with over hyphenations: Picon-Valerii, Tauron-Valerii, Cheese Whiz-Valerii..you get the idea. And when/if the baby is born, she gets her own page as she will be quite unique (I hope). To keep from this thread going crazy again, let's go for support/oppose tags at your replies from here, with your suggestions on how or what to do with terms and page design. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:37, 24 January 2006 (EST)

===Proposal===
There will be no special term for the human models. All references to Cylons in the Re-imagined series will be taken to refer to the humans, unless prefaced with "Centurion" or other relevant distinguisher. This is in line with the show's own usage, and avoids creating a non-canon term.

The article [[Humano-Cylon]] will be deleted. Its content will be merged into [[Cylon Models]], the individual overview pages for each cylon model, and a new page on potential cylon agents, with the previously discussed "whitelist" and "graylist" sections, as relevant.

Links to Humano-Cylon will be redirected to the [[Cylons (RDM)]] article cover-page (which will be spruced up, but probably remain fairly spare), or to various subsections, as appropriate. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:55, 24 January 2006 (EST)

===Counter-Proposal===
The human-appearing models of Cylon are indeed distinct enough that they deserve a special term. All references to Cylons in the re-imagined series don't necessarily refer to the humanoid models (we have no idea how these things are deployed, and in context, whe Lt. Gaeta shouts "Cylons incoming!" he's not talking about humanoid Cylons floating in space). Plent of times on the show they have made a distinction between the "mechanical variety" and "the human variety", so the "Proposal" would not, in fact, be "in line" with the show's own usage.

The article "[[Humano-Cylon]]" will remain entirely intact, but have its ''name'' changed to something else (my suggestiong would be "humanoid Cylons", but someone else might be able to come up with a better name and some ideas were tossed around above, etc). The contents of "Humano-Cylons" will not be merged. The ''already existing'' overview Character pages for the humanoid Cylon models will remain intact as they are now. There will be no new page for potential humanoid Cylons; it will remain a sub-section of the article dealing with the humanoid Cylons (as it is now). If by "whitelist" and "graylist" it is meant "people we suspect of being humanoid Cylons" and "people who it has been proven could not possibly be humanoid Cylons", such sub-headings will be added into the list of suspected Cylon Agents on "Humanoid Cylons".

Links to "Humano-Cylon" will be redirected to the new term ("Humanoid Cylon", for example, pending consensus on name). Humanoid Cylons models that have developed distinct personalities that have made them unique Characters on the show will be separated into having their own Character pages, while a stubb about these individual copies will be made in the article dealing with that particular "model" (as well as a link). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:38, 25 January 2006 (EST)

===Discussion of Proposals===
I think we may be trying to decide too many things at once. I think it would be much easier to make this decision in a couple of steps:

: A. Move all discussion of creating copy-specific pages on specific models to [[Talk:Sharon Valerii#Keeping Track of the Valeriis]], just so it doesn't get so confusing here. Really, that's the only character we're considering doing this to and once we make a decision on her, we can make that a policy without much discussion here.

: B. Do we want to change the term?

: C. What do we want to change it to?

: D. What does that entail?/Plan of Action/Enact PoA.

Now, I would not be opposed to changing the term. I agree it could be a bit confusing when/if Sharon delivers us a little halfling. One thing that's not been brought up when speaking of work load is the fact that not all references to Humano-cylons are links. So they'll be harder to track down than, say, all occurances of "Thrace, Kara". So, there'll be a lot of hand-searching, if you take my meaning, to be done. That being said, I don't think that's a reason not to change, really. What we ''do'' here is edit stuff.

On the point of C (really we could do my steps B and C together, without ''too'' much confusion), I support the change to simply Cylon. In a vast majority of cases context will make it readily apparent whether we're talking about Simon or a raider. In the few cases where we'll have to be more specific, then I think we could use "humanoid Cylon" or a "human-type Cylon" or "a Cylon of the human variety" (if you're not into the whole "brevity" thing) or any number of other circumlocutions that need not be standardized. As for changing the article name, we could make it "Cylon (human type)". I think it should continue to be an independant article because raiders and basestars have articles of their own... We just don't know what to call it. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:15, 25 January 2006 (EST)

:What about putting it on the front page of [[Cylons (RDM)]]? We could list capsule descriptions of the known models there, just like The Twelve Colonies lists the individual colonies. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:21, 25 January 2006 (EST)

:For me, part of the elegance of using the simple term "Cylon" is that it doesn't limit itself to the human-looking ones, but that context will take care of that for us nearly every time. Clearly, "cylons approaching" does not mean space-walking humanoids. But neither does "Tigh is a Cylon" imply Tigh may be a centurion, or a Basestar. Let's give folks some credit. Also, I must have been confused - I didn't realize we were only discussing branching the pages for Sharon. I think at the very least, Baltar's-Psychosis-Six and Gina have different enough agenda to merit different pages. -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 03:51, 25 January 2006 (EST)

:: I may have mis-understood the issue of splitting, then, but I think it's different from adopting a replacement for "Humano-cylon", so I'd rather talk about it in another place, even if it's just further down on this page. As there's another place already in use, why not consolidate discussion to that place? --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:23, 25 January 2006 (EST)

== Punctuation ==

: ''Dicussion moved from [[Talk:Main Page]] by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] at 10:53, 5 February 2006 (EST).''

Hello, I'm new and my edits have so far been of the proofreading type (that's what I'm good at), and I've noticed a particular area of inconsistency in commas/periods and quotation marks. Since it has been decided that we shall prefer American spellings, perhaps we should also use American punctuation style, which places commas and periods inside quotation marks. I have seen them this way a few places, but I've mostly seen the British style used, which places commas and periods outside the quotation marks. I don't care either way, but I think consistency is good so there should be a guideline one way or the other. [[User:Bunchofpants|Bunchofpants]] 08:40, 5 February 2006 (EST)
: IMO British style is much, much easier, both to write and to read. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 09:43, 5 February 2006 (EST)
: Then perhaps we should declare "British style" the rule so that those of us who fret over punctuation can change the non-British occurrences to match.[[User:Bunchofpants|Bunchofpants]] 10:20, 5 February 2006 (EST)
::Welcome to the wiki, Bunchofpants. You've noted a significant inconsistancy we do, and I'm a bit guilty as well. Punctuation ''should'' (based on my experience) be within quotations (such as, "Kara, you're just crazy."). But, when dealing with episode references in parentheses, our convention is to place the punctuation after the episode reference, outside of the quotes. (Tyrol says "Put the gun down" ([[Fragged]]).) This convention, I think, is fine. However, in sentences without episode references, the punctuation should be inside. I'll need to check our policies, where, if we don't make up our own policy, we tend to stick with Wikipedia policy. Another administrator may also have an opinion to this. So that others can chime in, we should move this discussion to [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions]].--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:26, 5 February 2006 (EST)

This is, I think, probably because we're on the internet. Apparently, I think according to the hacker slang dictionary which I don't have time to find a link to, it is very, very common amongst prolific internet users to use the British style, not because we're all Anglophiles, but because we tend to have a large cross section with the computer science community. Basically, if the period is not part of the quote, you don't put it so that the reader can tell ''exactly'' what goes in the quotes. Especially in help menus for *NIX systems, that use it so that you know the command is "hup" or whatever, rather than "hup." which would be wrong if "hup" were the actual command. Anyway... I like this system. The end. --[[User:Day|Day]] 10:27, 5 February 2006 (EST) (Post Script: Let's allow a few days for discussion. Maybe move this to S&C? ''I HATE EDIT CONFLICTS'')

== After Questions...now Analysis? ==

We seem to have agreed new standards for the Question's section. However, the Analysis section of a lot of pages is similarly riddled with discussion and dispute. Should this also be reigned in?

: Yes. Now... How, Exactly? --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:53, 17 March 2006 (CST)
:: At the risk of making it sound simpler than it is, we apply much the same standard. We go through Analysis sections and see where discussions can be boiled back down into concise points or where follow-on comments can simply be eliminated. Just as we've refocused "Questions" on "Questions the Episode Asks and Does Not Answer", we refocus "Analysis" on actually analysing the episode as a story rather than on nitpicking technobabble or speculating on unanswered questions :-)
::I'm also starting to think that it may behoove us to simple create a separate "Speculations" section if we feel like we don't want to completely eliminate speculation from the site. I'm not sold on it, tho'. Just pondering.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:25, 17 March 2006 (CST)

::: I think we should shoot speculation as often as we find it, except where it is clearly marked. And I don't think we should let it become rampant. We moved all the Cylon Agent speculation stuff off of each character's page and onto a speculation page, for instance. I don't want to get into encouraging speculation on every single episode page. I like the Purge and Clense idea posed above by someone who didn't sign their post. --[[User:Day|Day]] 21:29, 18 March 2006 (CST)

:::: The unsigned post was me, and the lack of signature an oversight. Sorry :-) --[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 09:36, 19 March 2006 (CST)

Although I agree that Question sections need '''extensive concision''' as we saw on LDYB II, one of the strengths of BattlestarWiki is that we have Questions and ''probable answers based on evidence''; if we remove ''all'' answers as was done on the recent revision to LDYB II, we remove one of the ''greatest'' features of ''BattlestarWiki''. I feel that answers to questions should be kept shorter than 2 lines, but so long as they stay on one line, and we don't run into a debate back and forth of like 5 things, we should keep them. And if there is a debate it goes to Analysis. I am adamant about this. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:19, 19 March 2006 (CST)

: If a question has a probable answer based on evidence, then it simply isn't a question any more :-) I'm OK with the idea that we use the Question section to gather answers and possibly gain Analysis points that way, but once we have those answers, the questions should be moved or removed (or, if the answers are purely speculative, the answers purged).

: I also disagree that Analysis should be used for debate. There is no section of the encyclopedic pages that should be used for debate. That's what Talk pages are for. Analysis does not mean, "This is where we nitpick the episode and each others' points to death". It should ultimately read like one person analyzing the episode. Someone suggested it should even be reformatted at some point into a narrative rather than bulleted presentation, and I agree.

: It's not that I don't agree that one of the strengths of this sort of site is bringing fans together to talk out and even occasionally to nitpick. It's just that I think that's what Talk pages are for, not encyclopedic pages. --[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 09:36, 19 March 2006 (CST)

No. The point is that we aren't bringing up "speculation" but that we are pointing out facts, back and forth. For example, "Was Cain lying to Starbuck about wanting to take back the Colonies?" could be followed by "Cain has been seen to be manipulative" followed by "Cain also honestly seems to want to take the fight back to the Cylons", etc. Yes, there are "Questions" and it ''remains'' a questions even if we offer ''insight'' into it. No, we should not move the questions once these points have been raised. Analsis is not officially "debate" but it is what it's name implies; "Analaysis" i.e. counterpoints and so forth, based on Fact; that is, not just listing our opinions, but weighing the facts against each other. Either way, the rules are loose when it comes to Analysis. '''No, it should not be moved into a narrative format; that's more confusing than a point by point bulleted list'''. No, this is not what Talk pages are for. Talk pages are just for discussion about what should go on the front, but let me reiterate; '''Remove this feature of the questions and you would GUT the best feature of BattlestarWiki'''. ------>I want the section on the front of this article of Standards and Questions describing how we handle Questions to be revised.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:21, 19 March 2006 (CST)

: I think, Merv, that you and I have a fundamental disagreement on what the best feature of this Wiki is. And it's odd, because from what I've seen so far, you're actually a provider of what I think the best feature actually is: solid, detailed, well-researched and defensible information about the series, its stories, and its characters. The example you offer is a good one, but the moment good insight is provided for the question like that, I feel it could be moved to Analysis. Or, in this specific example, edited together to remain an unanswered question, but without the sense that people are "discussing" something, which has no place on encyclopedic pages: "On the one hand, Cain can be manipulative. On the other hand, Cain honestly seems to want to take the fight back to the Cylons. So: was Cain lying about wanting to take back the Colonies?" When all is said and done, if the Wiki is dedicated to Neutral Point of View, then encyclopedic pages need not to sound like they're arguing with themselves.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 22:41, 20 March 2006 (CST)

:In case there is any confusion about what I am saying we need it's; "Let's just keep doing what we've BEEN doing, and when a Question section like LDYB II's gets a little messy, ''clean it up as the situation requires''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:23, 19 March 2006 (CST)

::It seems like these sections (in both Espisode and Character guides) are getting very large and when someone is trying to save even a minor edit we will get an Overflow error. You might have seen it before. http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr.#Error_Message It might be better to place both of these sections of new pages. (i.e. LBYB, II, Question/Analysis). --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:16, 20 March 2006 (CST)

Before I resume my attack on the "Questions" section, I would appreciate it if other frequent editors and admins could chime in explicitly on whether we still like the guidelines I posted to the Standards and Conventions page, as discussed on LYOB II's talk page, or whether more people feel Merv is right and we shouldn't be quite so strict as I've proposed (and executed on LYOB I and II)... I would prefer not to take silence for assent only to have a bunch of stuff reverted later because it was widely thought I was too quick with my knife :-) --[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 14:20, 22 March 2006 (CST)

:I guess part of if really depends on if it is just "Questions" or if it is "Unanswered Questions". I don't mind the occassional answer, but it's the ones three deep with conflicting/argumentative answers ([[The Captain's Hand#Questions]]) that bug me. But I guess just shifting them down to analysis doesn't really change anything. I'm torn. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:44, 22 March 2006 (CST)

:I haven't commented much because I agree with practically everything you've said on this subject. It's been bothering me for some time, but I haven't had the energy to tackle the issue. I congratulate you for having the fortitude to take this on — you have my unconditional support on this one. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:40, 22 March 2006 (CST)

== Disambiguation Location ==

We should note that Disambiguation for pages that have more than one meaning should go on the top line of the page, below any "Global" template areas, such as delete, but above such Templates as "Episode Guide", "Character Data", and "Battle Template" area so the text stand out more. Otherwise it is cramped on between the left coloum and the right table and seems like part of the article, rather than Disambiguation data. It should also be tabed once and always italized. '''Comments?''' --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:09, 20 March 2006 (CST)

: Your choice of words seems very presumptious. I would have said something like, "I like the look of one tab and italics" or "The current convention seems to be..." or whatever, rather than being so proscriptive. I agree that we probably need a standard on this. One tab and italics is fine with me. Just noting that your attitude seems very... controntational. Does anyone else think a different formatting is better? --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|talk]]) 20:37, 20 March 2006 (CST)

::Well, that formatting is what I use and prefer, at any rate. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:04, 20 March 2006 (CST)

::The convention I've always used is the same convention at Wikipedia. Tab one and italicize. So say we all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 08:16, 21 March 2006 (CST)

::: Good enough for me. If someone dissents, we can remove it, but for now, I've put this on the S&C page, as I understand it from Shane's post. By your command. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2006 (CST)

== Cast pages Overview section ==

Most of the cast articles have a section titled "Overview" instead of just using the first paragraph as the overview like normal wiki articles. I want to change them all. Any objections?--[[User:Bp|Bp]] 22:24, 21 March 2006 (CST)
:Plah. I just noticed all the articles are this way, even [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|episodes]]. Withdrawn. --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 00:36, 22 March 2006 (CST)

== Template Font Size and Design ==

I don't like the size of the font in most of the templates. That's my option of course. So I wanted to bring it up. [[Template:Ship_Data|This template of the Ship Data]] is a good example of the size of the text that I think is better than the bold, large text. Also we should always wikicode the templates. I put up a number of examples on how they are created. Also for the top of these type of templates we should maybe have the red bar along. Here is a [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Template:Star_Data&oldid=40890 link] of an old verion and then there the version that is active right now which is [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Template:Star_Data&direction=next&oldid=40890 this]. The Small text keeps everything balanced with the artcile font.

Template that would be effected would be:

*Episode_Data
*Ship_Data
*Star_Data (Being Renamed)
*Character_Data
*Book_Data

Just a thought... :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:24, 22 March 2006 (CST)

==Succession Boxes==
Anything with only one person in a box, like "Laura Roslin" as the ''only'' entry in a succession box for Secretary of Education, is redundant and excessive; it's not necessary, clutters up the page, and it simply makes little sense to do so. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:25, 26 March 2006 (CST)

I mistakenly posted this on the front page first (oops); this is my proposed addition:

"Succession boxes, such as those for holders of a political office or a command position aboard a ship, should not be created unless at least two separate articles can be linked to using such a box". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:32, 26 March 2006 (CST)

:If a goverment is supposed to be able to be listed in any part of someone's bio (i.e. We could do Billy and Toni as People who were aides to President Roslen and then Felix Gata to Giaus Baltar) on '''Succession''' boxes, including Vice-President, or Assitants to the President of the Colonies, or CAG, XO, or CO, or anything that has an order, it should be included. A great example is [[Lee Adama]]'s page, and I didn't even add the other ones; An '''''Admin''''' did. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:31, 26 March 2006 (CST)

::Some of these simply do not make sense, however: why make Gaeta have a box that says "assistant to President Baltar" when he's the ''only one''? The entire concept of adding in extra link boxes is to keep the navigation ''more'' easy to use, but this has been taken to the point that it's just cluttering things up without adding anything truly useful or necessary; I mean the links to Baltar are already in there, or in his character box as a former position. It is impractical and unwieldy. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:35, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::People love timelines and orders. To get the quick skimmy of things, people look at these. They have been used all over Poiltical pages sorting out who has had what. So maybe we should delete the ones that have just One person attached to it? There is no harm in it being there no more than the "Job" section in the Character template. Guess what? If I were a normal person, I like the boxes, because it answers an interesting question, has there been any secertary's in goverment thus far other than the President's spot. Maybe one of these days we will see a show where there is a meeting with all the members. She even talks about it in Minisersi where she knew all 52 before here. (was it 52? can't remember.) Someone had to be before her and before Adars Administration. My edit was also there and admins been on the site before you came along an removed it. It seemed they had no problem with it being there. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:41, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::Not having it answers the question even quicker. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:32, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::I'm with Merv on this one. Having looked at some code for various templates, I see that there's a trick that can be used for hiding sections that don't actually have any data. That should be used here.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 08:01, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::That's is incredibly cool UncleMikey; I didn't know the wikicode could let us do that. Reall cool; I agree with Uncle Mikey's idea. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::::I'm still not entirely sure how it works. It appears to actually be a CSS trick rather than a true WikiCode trick. Take a look at the CharacterData template, tho', and then experiment with it in a sandbox or on your own userpage (as I did in mine). Leave stuff out of the template-invocation...the line is completely omitted. Very slick.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 19:49, 26 March 2006 (CST)

:''Copied from [[Talk:Laura Roslin]]:''
:I'd say it's okay to have an unfilled succession box where it helps to illustrate the career of a particular character - that is, if they have completed succession boxes, they could also have unfilled ones as appropriate (thus, for example, we can see Baltar's progression from Caprican delegate to VP to President without needing to know who preceded or succeeded him as the Caprican delegate). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 09:42, 26 March 2006 (CST)

::But Peter that is redundant with the "roles" section of the template at the top of the article. I think we should not do it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:45, 26 March 2006 (CST)

:: No more redundant than succession boxes for the presidency. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:53, 26 March 2006 (CST)

:::Not so. The succession boxes allow a visitor to see who has been president, or who has been commanding a ship, in succession. This is not always covered in one article about a character-->boxes about what a character has done over time, well that's just in the article itself, and it is in their "role" subheader anyway. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:13, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::So you would say the one Succession box under [[Gauis Baltar]] should not be there? How come you have not deleted that one. You can not be picky. It's either ALL or NONE. You can't just change it because I added it. You been doing it to them all over the place this evening, without consulting anyone before you did it. I like to remind you that this is a community Wiki, and not yours and not mine. But everyone's. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:29, 26 March 2006 (CST)

:::::Although I can abide by Gaius Baltar having a succession box without anyone on his left or right, it seems a little ridiculous to add them to all the other delegates who haven't gone on to serve in other capacities. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:07, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::Gaius's has been their longer. I have to look to see when, but my addistoin caught the eye of merv and he edited it right out. As far as the others, if we see another meeting of the 12, and they have changed at least they are there to start off with. The only one I didn't add was the one where no one understands which delgete he belongs to. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:13, 26 March 2006 (CST)

:Peter you and I have had our differences before and this I regret; I hope that in the end, they were actually constructive. But what Shane has been doing is in direct violation of Wikiettiquette: "this is a community wiki, and not youra and not mine..."-->"so do exactly what *I* want to do!" is what you are saying? This is irrational; Shane we are DEBATING whether to do this, and you '''went ahead and added more of these things to the Quorum of Twelve Delegates?''' "Why didn't you remove the box from Baltar then, Merv?--->Because after I made the change to Kat as a TEST, I moved the discussion HERE, to Standards and Conventions! I FROZE what I was doing after it was *brought up as an issue*---->You have not listened when cautioned by myself or Peter to pause your editing when it comes into debate; you've gone ahead and edited dozens of pages, and then complained that ''I'' was directly attacking you, simply because I question the veracity of this? And intermixed with this you've been dropping...regretable threats, actual threats onto this wiki, while I try to debate our policy using the civil rules which we have established. Peter, should Shane keep doing this? I will defer to your decisions, as I do not desire a revert war....but there are limited to how far things have gone Peter, you know that. I am going to revert Shane's edits to the Quorum members to bring them back to EXACTLY what they were before this debate began; change them when this debate has finished, accordingly. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:40, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::Better yet, leave that as "Peter, I implore you yourself to make these edits to restore the old versions of these articles to their pre-debate conditions, and freeze them there until it is finished". That would be better than me doing it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:42, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::Naturally, I will alter the articles to fit the consensus as soon as one emerges, if no one else does. However, I will not protect the pages under these circumstances. This is an issue which can be worked out here in a relatively prompt fashion if we all abandon ad hominem attacks and focus on the merits of one another's positions.
:::Your issues with Shane as a user, while certainly relevant in a broad sense, are not appropriate to discuss here. If you feel the need, you should open an [[BW:RFC|RFC]] detailing your concerns. The community may then decide if they are well-founded and settle on an appropriate remedy if necessary. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:13, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::I bear no grudge against Shane, Peter. My concern is with his actions. Yes, it would be better to handle this in a more prompt fashion which does not require freezing, you are correct. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:26, 26 March 2006 (CST)

===Proposed Compromise===
:''This is my preferred solution; I offer it up for consideration and comment by other concerned users.''
In general, succession boxes should be avoided when neither the predecessor nor the successor to a particular position is known. An exception can be made in the case of a character who already has succession boxes with at least some information, to present a concise depiction of that character's career path.
:''Please comment below.'' --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:21, 26 March 2006 (CST)

::Well, I must say that I really liked mine more; as I already said above, I think the roles box already does that, bio too, etc. etc. etc. I was curious how many would prefer my original proposal instead of this compromise. However, this is not an insane compromise, and I actually think I could live with it. I'm not overly fond of it, but I like it's call for disgression. Okay, Peter, lets just see how many people go one way or the other. This is a pretty good compromise, though. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:29, 26 March 2006 (CST)

::This is fine. I have no problem with it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:02, 27 March 2006 (CST)

:: I'd be fine with this. I'd be fine with saying that a box with two "Unknown"s shouldn't be there. Either is fine with me. I am not particularly swayed by the career path reasoning, but can see the thinking. Anyway, this seems alright. And, also, this allows for decisions to be made on a case-by-case basis. For instance, it would be kind of silly to have, a ton of (effectively) empty succession boxs on someone's page simply because they had one filled box. I can't think of an example, but imagine someone who had held several jobs that no one else had held before or since (to our knowledge) and then was ''Galactica's'' CAG. No reason to have all ''billion'' boxes, but it might be useful to have one or two if they were somehow more important roles. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|talk]]) 00:59, 29 March 2006 (CST)

== Regarding excerpts from larger articles in other pages ==

As [[Number Six#Gina]] or [[History of the Twelve Colonies#Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 14:02, 17 April 2006 (CDT)
:These are overview pages, with a specific event having it's own page (Fall) and as for Gina, it was decided that copies that gain distinct personalities and become distinct characters get their own character page, so the Gina material got put in a separate article, but a brief description and link was left behind. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:07, 17 April 2006 (CDT)
::Yes I understand that, but the links are given differently in these two places. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 14:18, 17 April 2006 (CDT)
:::For clarity. One if for an event, one for characters. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:40, 17 April 2006 (CDT)
:::I prefer the formatting on History of the Twelve Colonies, which I borrowed from Wikipedia. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:21, 17 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I rather obviously agree, but I could see a reasonable person differing; I do think we should have a policy, though. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:59, 17 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::I still think so. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:22, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

== Regarding succession box formats ==
{{start box}}
{{succession box|before=''(unknown)''|title=Executive Officer of the [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''|after=''(unknown; eventually [[Lee Adama]])}}
{{end box}}
looks ugly; specifically, "(unknown; eventually [[Lee Adama]])"
It's also inconsistent with
{{start box}}
{{succession box|before=''(unknown, eventually [[Jack Fisk]])''|title=Executive Officer of the [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''|after=''(unknown, eventually [[Anastasia Dualla]])}}
{{end box}}
from [[Lee Adama]] and the versions of [[Peter Dash]] both before and after I changed it. I'd prefer "Unknown, eventually Foo" , "Unknown" , and "No one" all without parentheses. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:22, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

:For me, the italics serve the highlight the paucity of information, although I guess I'm not married to them. I don't think "unknown" should ever be capitalized, though, as it isn't a proper noun. Where would "No one" be applicable? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:28, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
::I was applying initial capitalization based on its application to captions, section titles, and the like. [[Peter Dash]] is an example for "No one" , although I can live with "None" ...to the point that I have no preference between them. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:15, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::I think "none" sounds better personally. I have no further objection if you want to restyle the rest of these. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:18, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

== Archives Pages ==

Well.. There are two ways I think this could be handled.
#Arcives namespace (subpages needed incase their becomes two or more pages)
#Current way for this page

Personally, I would like the namespace "Archives" so it could be searched independlty away from the talk pages. The listing of the archives though, should be done like this page. Relevent topic only should be archived.

Thoughts? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:12, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

:No new namespaces, please. I prefer the oldid link method for user talk pages, and archive subpages off of the "Battlestar Wiki talk" namespace for project pages. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:52, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

:Having more boxes to check when running a search for some discussion would be bad. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 22:21, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

== Battlestar Wiki should be... ==

...always in ''italics''. If it happens to become bold, that is fine, but always ''italiced''. Any comments --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:32, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

:That strikes me as annoying, not particularly useful, and exceedingly hard to impose on the vast number of existing instances. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 22:23, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:55, 5 May 2006 (CDT)

== Outline rules ==

I've mentioned this before [[#Cast pages Overview section|on this page]], but it's getting really annoying now. It seems so stupid to have an "Overview" section and force the TOC above it in every article. The first paragraph should be the overview or introduction section. It doesn't need a header. For example: In [[Greek mythology]], the "Introduction" Section should just be the first paragraph. And look at [[Dean Stockwell]], Someone has added an "Overview" section and the used _ _TOC_ _ to force the wiki to behave badly. That article should not even have a TOC! Another example: [[Donner]], should not have an "Overview" header, but at least they didn't add a TOC. This is most obvious in episode articles like [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]. The "Overview" section should just be the first paragraph. Is this a policy? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Can someone explain why we ignore standard wiki format, standard outline rules, and common sense?

If this is talked about somewhere else, please point me there.

--[[User:Bp|Bp]] 10:55, 5 May 2006 (CDT)

: No, it is not a policy. Merely a style choice that was never really hammered down. Now, with articles like [[Donner]], I don't see the point of a header (which I removed). Now, on the other hand... in regards to the episode articles... the primary format was taken from [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5], which [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/022.html includes the overview header]. So that's where ''that'' came from. And it makes sense there, in my view. By the way, and I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but what is "standard Wiki format"? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:11, 5 May 2006 (CDT)
::Standard wiki style is the style that MediaWiki was designed to use. It isn't a coincidence that the TOC is added after the first paragraph by default. The overview should be an immediately available brief summary or introduction in a standard place in every article: the very first line. It is more efficient for quick browseing because it doesn't require any extra clicking or scrolling, and it makes more sense. The Dean Stockwell article is a perfect example of ''breaking'' the design by forcing the TOC to the top. What also makes it standard is it's use on Wikipedia. Not trying to be a jerk, --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 12:24, 5 May 2006 (CDT)

:: Good point. :-) What has everyone else to say about it? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:59, 5 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I agree with Bp. It's a pity we haven't been more zealous about this. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:57, 5 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I agree: headers have been somewhat zealous. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:20, 5 May 2006 (CDT)
::::I'm not sure that word means what you think it means. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:06, 5 May 2006 (CDT)

::::Let me s'plain. My father was killed by a six-fingered man...---[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:08, 5 May 2006 (CDT)
::It's been about a week now and it doesn't look like there is any objection, so what is the next step? Can I just start changing them? --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 18:55, 11 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I would be fine with your going ahead with the changes... except for the episode pages, as moving the overview above the TOC there appears quite disconcerting, in my view. (I've tried it, and I was adverse to it from an asthetic point of view, likely because of the Lurker's Guide.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:46, 11 May 2006 (CDT)

== "Battle" Pages Format and Guideline Proposal ==

Per the [[Fall of New Caprica]] talk, the "Battle" pages do require standardization, so I propose the following qualifiers for the future.

"Guidelines for creating a "Battle" page:

* Any major military confrontation in an episode should have a Battle page.
* Battle pages are generally ''military conflict summaries'', NOT episode summaries. Use the episode articles to summarize events and conversations not related to the Battle page's focus. Likewise, avoid the use of quotes unless it has critical importance to the page. Use narrative format as a general rule.
* The content of the article should only include battle summaries, tactics, ship movements, major decisions of key political or military characters related to the welfare of the ships, their crew or the colonists.
* Battle pages are appropriate for troop-level fighting (such as the [[Battle of Kobol]]), but focus must be kept on the relevant events and less on the general mood and actions of all characters.
* Battle pages should not include real-world Earth discussions, comparisons or contrasts. If a particular tactic or technology is used that has an Earth equivalent that deserves clarification, place that information in a relevant existing or new article and add the link to the Battle page as appropriate.
* A Battle page works best with direct military conflict (whether or not fire is exchanged between combatants), but can be adjusted for certain political events that have a serious military consequence with direct conflict potential. While the "Fall of New Caprica" event is not a battle, the change of power is in effect a "win/lose" consequence that could have grave tactical ramifications.
* Each Battle page uses a summary template. If you have difficulty in defining the content of the summary template, then it is likely that the content is inappropriate for a Battle page, and should be entered in another article.

Battlestar Wiki's "Battle" articles are based on a similar design used on Wikipedia. Two useful examples to aid contributors include Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:World War II|World War II]] article and the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]] article."

Comments on this? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:58, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

:I originally wrote a rather long treatise on how to handle Battle pages, towards the [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions#Battle pages|top of our discussion]] here at #11. Anyone might want to read that for my previous expounding on the subject. Anyway, my guideline for what to include was based on Wikipedia, but once again I find myself looking at Memory Alpha for their articles on the Battle of Wolf 359 or Battle of Cardassia, etc.

:Here is where I must disagree: battle pages should only be made for when shots are actually exchanged. I didn't think "Galactica Vs. Pegasus" should be an article, though it got voted in it was with much contention, and sort of shows the "borderline" of the most extreme case which might be in here. But "Fall of New Caprica" should be deleted or heavily altered. It wasn't a battle at all. I like SteelViper's thoughts on the subject, that "Fall of Saigon" is an "even" in wikipedia but not a battle, so we should remove battle template boxes and such from it at the very ''least''. Still, a lot of work needs to be done on these and I'll find time in the next few days.

:Nextly, --->It looks really awkward to put the entire battle article in the present tense/active voice, and we should not do that. Look at how Memory Alpha or Wikipedia writes battle pages. It sounds very awkward, and unlike a character bio or episode guide, a battle is one finite event and really should not use this. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:22, 10 May 2006 (CDT)
:: I totally agree with Spencerian. One point, though that I want to comment on, anytime an Episode shows miltary personal consipring and uses force against any target (weather that would be Galacicia v. Peaguas). That's about it. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:57, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

:::Would you want to include the Galactica's boarding of Colonial One or the GIdeon then? I think that's a little excessive (although I agree with the inclusion of the fall of New Caprica, as I've stated above, and don't think that's seriously up for debate) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:27, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

::::Really excessive, there. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:54, 10 May 2006 (CDT)
::::Even I think that is "excessive". But that is not vs. a miltary target. It is civilian. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:29, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

:::::I think we were confused by your use of the phrase "any target" above. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:02, 11 May 2006 (CDT)
::::::On a side note... {{tl|Battle Data}} is up for review. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:58, 11 May 2006 (CDT)

:::::::It looks good to me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:03, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

::::::::I'm not keen on the phrase "Attacker/Defender" in there. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 06:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

::::::::I can understand using "attacker" and "defender" from a differentation standpoint, although it may be better to use something more generic. But how does this new template differ from the previously used template? I'm unclear why this template would be used. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:17, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::Color scheme. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:47, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::More specifically, a central location where you could control/maintain the color sheme (and "classes" for the css) rather than having to individually update individual battle boxes each time a change needed to be made. The current pages use a "hand-made" table, rather than a template (which made sense when there weren't many battles). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:59, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::Got it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:53, 13 May 2006 (CDT)

If you look, [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions#Verb_Tense Standards and Conventions] for Verb Tense says that historical events are excepted: Battles are an exception, as they're not in the episode guide but written as a historical event. They have awkward flow when they're in the present tense. I like what SteelViper said a while ago: Galactica vs. Pegasus represented the '''extreme'' "borderline" of what constitutes such a page, but really what justifies a battle page I wrote in my treatise above at #11: shots actually have to be fired, and it has to be just more than a minor skirmish; something resulting in the loss of a viper ''might'' qualify: for example, the Skirmish over the Red Moon counts, shooting only two Raiders in "Final Cut" with no Viper loses does not, and the events of "Scar" don't count as a battle because it was low-level fighting drawn out over a month (wikipedia would never list "battle of that mission where one American pilot shot down one Japanese pilot", etc.) It kind of depends on the scale. I'm cleaning these up...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:49, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

=="The" Galactica==
This is discussed in the front page of this policy, #5 "Ships". It says we shouldn't refer to ''Galactica'' as "the ''Galactica''". We've usually eliminated this from new articles. However, I've been rewatching much of the series in marathon recently, and I've realized that in ''practially every episode'' someone (even Admiral Adama) refers to it as "the ''Galactica''. ***They actually use both terms '''interchangeably''' on the show. This is really just a minor point and not drastically affecting anything, I'm just saying that in light of this we should loosen up on the restrictions on that; seeing as "Galactica" (with no definate article "the") is also correct, that means we don't have to go through every article in the entire wiki and change things. I'm just saying, in all future articles, we should be more lax about this. Because I've asked aquintances who served in the Navy and they've told me that vessels were referred to as "the Indianapolis", "The Los Angeles", etc. etc. Agree, disagree?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:25, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

:They (the writers) may make the characters say anything they wish. However, since we are intended as a reference, we need to stick to one way of doing things to keep things from looking odd, at the least. Thus, no definite articles on ship names. Now, there is a convention problem on the TOS pages where we have exactly this problem, which calls for us to conventionize it--despite that almost all times the term used on the show is almost always "the ''Galactica.'' The RDM show, as with all things, will fall out of its own convention, but for our purposes of keeping things orderly, we cannot take that luxury. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:22, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

::Well, I really don't understand what you're trying to convey: the writers and the show itself doesn't have a convention, so we should try to establish an arbitrary convention? My big point is: you're saying that "the show might fall out of its own convention"....but I was never convinced that this ''was'' a convention. At what point did it become apparent that there was a "don't use the definative article" rule in existence? Is what I'm asking. And If BSG TOS almost always refers to it as "The"....wouldn't that mean that, purely within the realm of TOS, saying "The Galactica" is a convention? I don't understand why just "Galactica" is currently supposed to be a convention---->I mean, do modern navies say that? Because I've checked around and US Navy vessels use the definate article "The" as well. It doesn't make a difference.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:31, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

::: When we were originally discussing this (it was one of the earliest discussions of this project), I thought we determined that the US Navy did refrain from using the definite article when refering to a ship, at least in official documents. I'm not saying there's no way we could have been/are wrong, but I'd be much more interested to see how various news papers, Navy press releases, etc. refer to ships. In speaking, people tend to be much more lax, but I'd prefer to borrow from, say, the AP handbook on this. In fact, I have a friend who is a journalist and keeps track of this kind of thing. Should I ask him what the AP rules on this? Does anyone care what they say? --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 22:33, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

::::Oh yeah, Day, exactly; if you can find some thing that says official documents do not use "the" that would be great confirmation. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:23, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

::::: Got it. The relevant text will follow, but the Navy has a whole [http://www.news.navy.mil/tools/view_styleguide.asp?sort=S Style Guide].

:::::: '''ship names''' - For first reference always include USS, the ship's name and the hull number: USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75).

:::::: Exceptions: Do not use "USS" for ships before 1909; or if she is not yet in commission; or she has been decommissioned and you are referring to the ship in her present state.

:::::: There is no hyphen in the hull number. In All Hands text, the ship name is in italics. On second reference, use only the ship's name. Do not use "the" in front of a ship's name: "USS San Jose," not "the USS San Jose."

:::::: Ships are to be referred to as "she" or "her."

:::::: Ships' nicknames are placed inside quotation marks on first reference only. USS LaSalle (AGF 3), the "Great White Ghost," sailed into San Diego.

:::::: Ship names are not in all caps. Use USS Seattle, not USS SEATTLE.

::::: So that's what the US Navy has to say about it, anyway. We can take it or leave it, but it would be pretty easy just to steal it wholesale. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 21:21, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

::::::Steal it wholesale :) Thanks: that's a definative answer. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:58, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Concur. Steal it and cite it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:04, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Whatever floats the boat, gentlemen, so long as it keeps us to a standard. Mind you, what the US Navy uses is not necessarily what the Colonial Fleet uses, so if I were to see a conflict (based on consistency of usage in episodes), this is something we should review. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:25, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

== American vs British English Style Usage ==

This wiki started with several initial contributors from the U.K. As such, these contributions were written in the Queen's English (things such as ''centre'' and not the American English ''center'', for example). As ''Battlestar'' season 1 aired in the U.S. and American contributions increased, there is a predominant usage of American English in the wiki. I noted that [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|one user]] had recently edited a page, correcting some misspellings but also changing correct American English words to their British counterpart. I asked Joe about this very early on in my editing last year, and he noted that we should use American English. I commented on None's talk page about this, adding the following (which I recommend as policy):

*Please use American English for wiki contributions in the English version of ''Battlestar Wiki'' whereever possible.
*If you are British, please feel free to add your contributions in the "Queen's English" as this will make it easier for you to contribute. However, please do not re-edit correctly spelled American English edits to their British counterparts unless you are rewriting whole paragraphs, sections, or articles.''
Commments? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:47, 1 June 2006 (CDT)
:I must say I am to blame as well for doing this once or twice. When going through pages correcting typos using spell checkers I also found myself accidently "correcting" american spellings for british. Oops --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 15:14, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

::I believe this policy is already stated on the main S&C page, but you can feel free to clarify it if you feel that's necessary. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:49, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

::: Yeah. I thought that was pretty clear, but go ahead and make it more so, if you want, Spence. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 19:59, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

:I agree completely, Spencerian. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:30, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

==Comics Canonicity==
I'm worried about information from [[Battlestar Galactica 0]]. I'm not sure it's entirely canon (i.e. aside from just that it's a comic, they've got Cylons making cloned copies of humans before "Pegasus" when Ron Moore said that they haven't done that ''yet'', and if they didn't they'd make a big deal out of it). ---->Anyway, I like what Memory Alpha does: we shouldn't remove the actual articles for things found in the comic, "[[Third Colonial Conflict]]", etc., however, they shouldn't find their way into normal RIC articles, like the Timeline, character bios, etc. etc. You know. So I don't think these articles should be deleted, but I think we should develop a new template to put at the top of each that says "This is from a comic, not canon", and that we shouldn't mix them into standard articles. What's everyone else's thoughts (after seeing the stuff)?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:14, 2 June 2006 (CDT)
: I concur. We should keep the stuff, but note that it isn't canon and ensure that it doesn't spill over into the canon articles. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:29, 2 June 2006 (CDT)
: We could also move these articles as subpages of the comic, so they don't proliferate the canon namespace. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:32, 2 June 2006 (CDT)
::I agree, but I don't know how to do that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:37, 2 June 2006 (CDT)
:::That's not a problem. I could do that, if there's consensus to do so. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:49, 2 June 2006 (CDT)
*The comics are fully within BSG canon. The writer and producers have said that several times and it says so in BSG 0. However, since you have made it clear that this "encyclopedia" is not interested in anything except episodes that have already aired, I'll save you the trouble of doing anything further with it. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:58, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

Category:People from Virgon

2006-06-01T22:35:38Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner virgon.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Virgon|Virgon]].

[[Category: Colonial]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Tauron

2006-06-01T22:35:31Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner aerelon.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Tauron|Tauron]].

[[Category: Colonial]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Scorpia

2006-06-01T22:35:14Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner scorpion.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Scorpia|Scorpia]].

[[Category: Colonial]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Picon

2006-06-01T22:35:02Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner picon.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]].

[[Category: Colonial]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Libra

2006-06-01T22:34:51Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner canceron.gif|right]]
People from the unnamed colony corresponding to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Libra|Libra]].
(n.b. the name of the colony corresponding to the constellation Libra has not yet been given.)

[[Category: Colonial]] [[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Leonis

2006-06-01T22:34:42Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner tauron.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Leonis|Leonis]].

[[Category: Colonial]] [[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Gemenon

2006-06-01T22:34:35Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner gemenon.gif|right]]
Those people from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]].

[[Category: Colonial]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Caprica

2006-06-01T22:34:05Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner caprica.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].

[[Category: Colonial]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Canceron

2006-06-01T22:33:55Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner unknown2.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Canceron|Canceron]].

[[Category: Colonial]] [[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Aquaria

2006-06-01T22:33:47Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner unknown3.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Aquaria|Aquaria]].

[[Category: Colonial]] [[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Category:People from Sagittaron

2006-06-01T22:33:25Z

Kuralyov:

[[Image:Banner sagittaron.gif|right]]
People from the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]].

[[Category: Colonial]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Characters]]

List of Comics

2006-06-01T22:32:43Z

Kuralyov: /* Dynamite */

== Overview ==
The following are the listings of all known comics of ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]''. Click on one to see (and possibly edit) the summary for that book.

== Marvel Comics ==
<ol><li style="list-style:square">[[Marvel Super Special 8: Battlestar Galactica]]</li>
# [[Battlestar Galactica (1979 Comic)|Battlestar Galactica]]
# [[Exodus!]]
# [[Deathtrap!]]</ol>
<ol start="4"><li>[[Into the Void]]</li>
<li>[[A Death in the Family]]</li>
<li>[[The Memory Machine]]</li>
<li>[[All Things Past and Present]]</li>
<li>[[Shuttle Diplomacy!]]</li>
<li>[[Space-Mimic!]]</li>
<li>[[This Planet Hungers]]</li>
<li>[[Scavenge World]]</li>
<li>[[The Trap!]]</li>
<li>[[Collision Course!]]</li>
<li>[[Trial and Error]]</li>
<li>[[Derelict!]]</li>
<li>[[Berzerker]]</li>
<li>[[Ape and Essence]]</li>
<li>[[Forbidden Fruit!]]</li>
<li>[[The Daring Escape of the Space Cowboy]]</li>
<li>[[Hell Hath No Fury!]]</li>
<li>[[A World for the Killing!]]</li>
<li>[[Black is the Color of My True Love's Hair]]</li>
<li>[[The Last Hiding Place]]</li></ol>

===Trade Paperbacks===
* [[Saga of a Star World (Trade Paperback)|Saga of a Star World]] by Roger McKenzie, Ernie Colon and Walt Simonson
* [[The Memory Machine (Trade Paperback)|The Memory Machine]] by Roger McKenzie, Klaus Janson, Walt Simonson and Tom DeFalco

==Maximum Press==
Beginning in July 1995, Maximum Press (a [[Wikipedia:Rob Liefeld|Rob Liefeld]] imprint) issued several Battlestar Galactica miniseries. These were:

*War of Eden
*# [[War of Eden 1|War of Eden #1]]
*# [[War of Eden 2|War of Eden #2]]
*# [[War of Eden 3|War of Eden #3]]
*# [[War of Eden 4|War of Eden #4]]
*The Enemy Within
*# [[The Enemy Within 1|The Enemy Within #1]]
*# [[The Enemy Within 2|The Enemy Within #2]]
*# [[The Enemy Within 3|The Enemy Within #3]]
*Starbuck
*# [[Starbuck 1|Starbuck #1]]
*# [[Starbuck 2|Starbuck #2]]
*# [[Starbuck 3|Starbuck #3]]
*Apollo's Journey
*# [[Apollo's Journey 1|Apollo's Journey #1]]
*#[[Apollo's Journey 2|Apollo's Journey #2]]
*#[[Apollo's Journey 3|Apollo's Journey #3]]
*Journey's End
*# [[Journey’s End 1|Journey’s End #1]]
*# [[Journey’s End 2|Journey’s End #2]]
*# [[Journey’s End 3|Journey’s End #3]]
*# [[Journey’s End 4|Journey’s End #4]]

==Dynamite==
Starting in May 2006 Dynamite will be releasing a comic series based on the [[Re-Imagined Series]]. The comics are to be set within the framework of the show and, at least at first, will be set between the episodes of ''[[Home, Part II]]'' and ''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]''.

#[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
#[[Battlestar Galactica 1]]
#[[Battlestar Galactica 2]]
#[[Battlestar Galactica 3]]
#[[Battlestar Galactica 4]]

[[Category:Comics| ]][[Category:Lists]]

Battlestar Galactica 0

2006-06-01T22:27:22Z

Kuralyov:

{{Comic Data|
Image = [[Image:Battlestarcover mcniven.jpg|250px]]
| Title= Issue 0
| Series=Dynamite
| Issueno= 0
| Episode=
| Writer= [[Greg Pak]]
| Penciller= [[Nigel Raynor]]
| Inker=
| Colorist= [[David Curiel]]
| Letterer= [[Simon Bowland]]
| Editor=
| Cover=[[Steve McNiven]]
| Published=May 2006
| Collects=
| Collected=
| Reprints=
| Reprinted=
| ISBN=
| Prev= None
| Next= [[Battlestar Galactica 1]]
}}
== Plot ==
:''"The ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' discovers a group of human survivors in a small Medivac ship under attack by [[Cylon]]s. [[William Adama|Adama]] suspects a Cylon plot. But [[Roslin]] points to the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which contain an ancient prophecy: 'The dead shall return in an ark of fire.' Who are the '[[Returners]]'? Will they unite or divide the fleet -- and heal or break the heart of Commander Adama?"'' -Greg Pak[http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=62040]
== Notes ==
*It will be priced 25 US cents.[http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=62040]
[[Category:Comics]]

Darrin

2006-06-01T22:26:50Z

Kuralyov:

#REDIRECT [[Darrin Dualla]]

Anastasia Dualla

2006-06-01T22:24:10Z

Kuralyov: /* Biography */

{{Character Data|
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|age=
|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]]
|birthname= Anastasia Dualla (nickname "Dee")
|callsign=
|death=
|parents=
|siblings=
|children=
|marital status= Married {{ref|magazine1}}to [[Lee Adama]] (formerly dating [[Billy Keikeya]] † )
|role= [[Tactical Officer]], [[CIC]], [[Battlestar (RDM)|Battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus]]''
|rank= Lieutenant
|actor= [[Kandyse McClure]]
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As a member of ''[[Galactica|Galactica's]]'' command staff before the start of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], Petty Officer 2nd Class '''Anastasia Dualla''' {{IPA|du.ˈɑ.lə}} manages the main communications board in [[CIC]], and works closely with [[William Adama|Adama]], [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]], and [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] in serving as ''Galactica's'' eyes and ears to her fighters and [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]]. Her responsibilities include:

* Monitoring fleet-wide [[Wireless|communications]], including all of ''Galactica's'' incoming and out-going communications
* Ensuring shipboard communications are properly logged ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])
* Relaying communications to all of ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]] during off-ship missions
* Managing other minor CIC operations in Lt. Gaeta's absence.

== Biography ==

Dualla's father thought that her enlistment in the [[Colonial Fleet]] was crazy, and he viewed the military as a joke. She signed up anyway because she wanted to believe in something. This rift with her father would continue throughout her service and the last time they spoke they got in a heated argument; two weeks later the Cylons attacked, and Dualla never got a chance to reconcile with him ([[Final Cut]]). She also had a brother named [[Darrin]] ([[Battlestar Galactica 0]]).

At the time of the [[Cylon attack]] she monitors fleet-wide communications. Dualla is one of the first to notice the unusually-high levels of shipboard malfunctions and failures aboard other battlestars ([[Miniseries]]).

After the Cylon attack, she coordinates Fleet activities like [[FTL|jumps]] with Tactical Officer [[Felix Gaeta]]. In this responsibility, she discovers that the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' fails to Jump with the fleet after yet another Jump to escape a 5-day long, relentless attack by the Cylons after their escape from [[Ragnar Anchorage]] ([[33]]).

Due to his attraction to Dualla, presidential aide [[Billy Keikeya]] "volunteers" her to join an off-ship mission to the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' ([[Bastille Day]]). Led by Captain [[Lee Adama]], the mission is to attempt enlistment of prisoners aboard the ''Queen'' in resupplying ''Galactica'' with water following an act of sabotage ([[Water]]). During the mission, the team is taken hostage by prisoners during a jail break lead by fellow Sagittaron and political agitator [[Tom Zarek]].

[[Image:Dee and bee.jpg|thumb|left|'''Dualla''' and [[Billy Keikeya]] in the [[observation deck]] on a date ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])]]
Freed without personal harm during this situation, Dualla returns Billy Keikeya's affections, and they date during off-duty periods ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

Dualla receives a minor concussion when Cylons board the ship ([[Valley of Darkness]]). Dualla aids in [[Laura Roslin]]'s escape from ''Galactica'' after the President's arrest by covering up the tracks of their secret communications coordinating their movements in the Fleet, and getting Colonel Tigh to sign permission to close off a causeway which they use as an escape route. At this time, Dualla seems to take a greater personal interest in [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] ([[Resistance]]).

Dualla is assigned to give [[D'anna Biers]] a tour around the battlestar as part of Bier's documentary of the ship ([[Final Cut]]). Lee Adama seems to return Dualla's personal attraction during a sparring exercise with the petty officer ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

Dualla's [[avionics]] training helps in building a stable communications package for the experimental [[Blackbird]] fighter ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

Keikeya, apparently attempting to solidify his relationship with the petty officer, proposes to Dualla, but she refuses. Keikeya later sees Dualla with Lee Adama on ''[[Cloud 9]]'' and accuses her of leading him on. Shortly after Keikeya's accusation, four terrorists commander the lounge and its occupants in exchange for the surrender of [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. When a ruse by Admiral [[William Adama]] is discovered, the [[Sesha Abinell|leader]] of the the terrorists orders Dualla's death. Keikeya intervenes and manages to shoot the terrorist, but the terrorist fatally wounds Keikeya before dying. Lee Adama is also left severely wounded from a friendly-fire incident during an abortive assault led by [[Kara Thrace]]. Dualla promises to watch over Lee Adama until he recovers in [[sickbay]]. When he finally regained consciousness, Dualla was so happy that neither of them noticed Starbuck leaving the sickbay with a heartbroken expression ([[Sacrifice]]).

A few months later, still involved with Apollo, Dualla assists in the counting of ballots for the Presidential election. Dualla conspires with [[Tory Foster]] and [[Saul Tigh]] to rig the election in Roslins's favor, indicating that she comprehends the disaster that would follow if Baltar is elected. Though the plot initially succeeds, Lt. Gaeta's curiosity leads to Admiral Adama's discovery of the duplicity. Adama covers up the plot but returns the vote, for better or worse, to its actual result, with Baltar being elected to the Presidency.

A year later, Dualla serves as Communications and Executive Officer on ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', part of its skeletal crew in orbit around [[New Caprica]]. Dualla and Lee Adama's relationship appears ongoing, given the look she gives young Adama when Kara Thrace calls in one day. Dualla also fiddles with her ring finger, suggesting that she is now married). Dualla's keen eyes pick up [[DRADIS]] contacts, which gave the Fleet advance warning to the arrival of a large Cylon fleet. The remnants of the Fleet escape, hoping to return to liberate New Caprica another day ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

== Notes ==

*Dualla's counterpart in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] is [[Rigel]]. According to [[Ron Moore]]'s [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/blogs/ blog entry] on April 18, 2006, Dualla is actually more or less directly inspired by Rigel, saying Dualla is "filling the role of another woman in the original BSG series who used to man the communication system on their bridge. That character was called "Rigel" but I didn't think that name worked in the remake, so I gave her the name of Dualla."
*Dualla was known throughout all of the first season and part of of the second season only as "Dualla" or "Dee". Her first name was finally revealed in the episode, "[[Final Cut]]" in an on screen caption during her documentary interview; her first name has yet to be spoken aloud. "Anastasia" means "resurrection" in Greek.

==Sources==
#{{note|magazine1}} According to a May 11th, 2006 IF Magazine [http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1496 interview] with [[David Eick]].

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{{Characters}}

[[Category:A to Z|Dualla, Anastasia]]
[[Category:Characters|Dualla, Anastasia]]
[[Category:RDM|Dualla, Anastasia]]
[[Category:People from Sagittaron|Dualla, Anastasia]]

Zak Adama

2006-06-01T22:23:26Z

Kuralyov:

{{Character Data|
|photo=[[Image:Zak_adama_001.jpg|200px]]
|age=
|colony=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]
|birthname=Zak Adama
|callsign=
|death=In a flight school accident roughly two years prior to the [[Cylon Attack]].
|parents=[[William Adama|Bill]] and [[Caroline Adama]].
|siblings=[[Lee Adama]]
|children=
|marital status=
|role=Viper Pilot
|rank=
|actor=[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Tobias+Mehler Tobias Mehler]
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}}== Biography ==
Zak Adama was the youngest son of [[William Adama|William]] and [[Caroline Adama|Caroline]] Adama. His sibling was [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. ([[Miniseries]])

He endeavored to prove himself to his father by becoming a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot. ([[Miniseries]]) During his training, he became romantically involved with his flight instructor, [[Kara Thrace]]. While he questioned how he passed basic flight, he accepted it without further question when Thrace stated that she wouldn't have passed him if he didn't deserve it. He did not want any help from his father, and certainly not from Kara. ([[Act of Contrition]])

In reality, Zak busted three of the manuevers during the last part of the basic flight training ([[Act of Contrition]]) and had no feel for flying a Viper. ([[Miniseries]]) As Thrace cared for Zak Adama deeply, she felt that she shouldn't be the one to crush his dreams, and passed him.

They were engaged and set to be married. ([[Act of Contrition]]) Alas, Zak was killed two years prior to the [[Cylon Holocaust]]. His death became the wedge between his brother and father.

A (presumed) clone copy of Zak was later discovered by Thrace aboard [[Medivac 12]].

[[Image:Mini_series_zak-kara-and-lee_photo.jpg|thumb|left|Kara Thrace's photo with Zak (Left), Lee (Right) and herself (Middle) from the Mini-Series. (Credit: Sci-Fi Channel/Universal)]]
== Notes ==
*Zak Adama was first seen in a photograph in the [[Miniseries]], where he was played by [http://www.galactica2003.net/articles/hudson112603.shtml Clarke Hudson]. His role was recast for the series.
*Zak is a common nickname for Zachary, which is an old testament name that dates back to other cultural references made in the series.
[[Category:A to Z|Adama, Zak]]
[[Category:Characters|Adama, Zak]]
[[Category:RDM|Adama, Zak]]
[[Category:People from Caprica|Adama, Zak]]

Battlestar Galactica 2

2006-06-01T22:21:30Z

Kuralyov:

{{Comic Data|
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| Title= Issue 2
| Series=Dynamite
| Issueno= 2
| Episode=
| Writer= [[Greg Pak]]
| Penciller= [[Nigel Raynor]]
| Inker=[[Nigel Raynor]]
| Colorist=[[Nigel Raynor]]
| Letterer=
| Editor=
| Cover=[[Giuseppe Camuncoli]], [[Adriano Batista]], [[Nigel Raynor]]
| Published=August 2006
| Collects=
| Collected=
| Reprints=
| Reprinted=
| ISBN=
| Prev= [[Battlestar Galactica 1]]
| Next= [[Battlestar Galactica 3]]
}}
== Publisher's summary ==
While fans wait for the Season to continue in the Fall, Dynamite Entertainment continues their ongoing comic book series featuring the cast and crew of the all-new Battlestar Galactica!

Writer Greg ("Hulk") Pak and artist Nigel Raynor are joined by cover artist Adriano (upcoming Witchblade and Red Sonja projects) Batista, "Cammo" as well as a cover by Raynor and a new photo cover!

After the shocking events of issue #1 - all spinning out of the best-selling Battlestar Galactica #0 - issue #2 continues the story of the "Returners" and the re-appearance of the "old school" Cylon Warriors.
[[Category:Comics]]

Battlestar Galactica 1

2006-06-01T22:19:40Z

Kuralyov:

{{Comic Data|
Image = [[Image:Battlestarissue1.jpg|250px]]
| Title= Issue 1
| Series=Dynamite
| Issueno= 1
| Episode=
| Writer= [[Greg Pak]]
| Penciller= [[Nigel Raynor]]
| Inker=
| Colorist=
| Letterer=
| Editor=
| Cover=[[Michael Turner]], [[Billy Tan]], [[Nigel Raynor]]
| Published=Late July 2006
| Collects=
| Collected=
| Reprints=
| Reprinted=
| ISBN=
| Prev= [[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
| Next= [[Battlestar Galactica 2]]
}}
== Publisher's summary ==
The biggest comic book event of 2006 begins here as Dynamite Entertainment launches the all-new, Battlestar Galactica comic book series based on the all-new "re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica on SCIFI!! Picking up from the final pages of the best-selling #0 issue, Battlestar Galactica #1 features the ongoing creative team of writer Greg (Planet Hulk) Pak and Nigel Raynor! Joining the inside team we have the all-star team of cover artists Michael Turner with colorist extraordinaire Peter Steigerwald, Billy (Uncanny X-Men) Tan and Nigel Raynor; plus, a special photo cover showcasing the cast of BSG! Our story focus on an "untold tale" taking place in between seasons of the popular show and the return of characters not seen since the smash mini-series that re-launched Galactica to critical acclaim. Don't miss out and don't forget to ask your local retailer about the special incentive covers!
[[Category:Comics]]

Jenny

2006-06-01T22:16:14Z

Kuralyov:

'''Jenny''' was a young girl in the refugee fleet. Her father and cat were killed in the [[Cylon Holocaust]].
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:Characters]]

Sky King Disaster

2006-06-01T22:14:54Z

Kuralyov:

The '''Sky King Disaster''' occured six years prior to the [[Cylon Holocaust]]. [[Jane Esolia]] was killed in it.
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]

Timeline (RDM)

2006-06-01T22:14:12Z

Kuralyov: /* Recent Colonial History */

:''Dates use the day of the [[Cylon Holocaust]] as a baseline. See also [[Survivor Count]], [[History of the Twelve Colonies]].''

==Ancient History==
*'''-3600 Years:''' [[Pythia]] records her prophecies.
*'''-2000 Years:''' The thirteen tribes leave [[Kobol]]: twelve for the [[Cyrannus System]], the other for [[Earth]].

==Recent Colonial History==
*'''-60 Years:''' [[Third Colonial Conflict]].
*'''-52 Years:''' Cylon revolt begins the [[Cylon War]]. [[Articles of Colonization]] signed ([[Colonial Day]], [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005]).
*'''-51 Years''' Colonials suffer a major defeat when the Colonial ship ''[[Brenik]]'' is lost after a boarding action by Cylon Centurions, which resulted in some of the bloodiest, hand-to-hand fighting of the war. A young Petty Officer [[Saul Tigh]] is one of a handful of survivors.
*'''-50 Years:'''
** [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' enters service under Commander [[Nash]].
*'''c. -41 years:''' [[William Adama]] begins his service in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot, near the end of the Cylon War.
*'''-40 Years:''' Armistice between the Colonials and the Cylons ends the [[Cylon War]].
*'''-20 Years:'''
**Last significant [[FTL|Jump]] recorded on battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'s'' logs.
**[[Tom Zarek]] imprisoned for blowing up a government building on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]] ([[Bastille Day]]).
**[[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh]] first meet ([[Scattered]], podcast).
**[[Laura Roslin]] begins her career in politics ([[Litmus]]).
*'''-7 Years:''' [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] marry. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/112/deleted1.html deleted scene])
*'''-6 Years:''' [[Sky King Disaster]].
*'''-5 Years:'''
**[[Laura Roslin]]'s last breast exam prior to her cancer diagnosis ([[Act of Contrition]]).
**[[Galen Tyrol]] assigned to ''Galactica'' ([[Litmus]]).
*'''-3 Years:''' [[Felix Gaeta]] assigned to ''Galactica''.
*'''-2 Years:'''
**[[Caprica Six]] begins residence on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]), first encounters Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] ([[Miniseries]]).
**[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|A copy of Sharon Valerii]] begins serving aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Farm]]).
**[[Zak Adama]] dies in a flight school accident. His funeral is Lee and William Adama's last meeting until the miniseries.
**Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] is re-assigned from Flight School to Battlestar ''Galactica'' ([[Act of Contrition]]).
*'''-1 Year:''' Last time [[William Adama]] and [[Caroline Adama]] speak.
*'''-Several months''' [[Caroline Adama]] gets engaged.
*'''-3 Weeks:''' [[Anastasia Dualla]] last visits her home.
*'''Zero Hour:''' Cylons [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destroy]] the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. The (so-far-known) only known survivors are a rag-tag fugitive fleet escorted by ''Galactica''; ''Pegasus'', which was another [[Pegasus (RDM)|isolated battlestar]]; a fleet of 15 civilian FTL capable ships; and the [[Resistance (movement)|resistance]] on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Events of the [[Miniseries]].

==Season 1==
*'''Note:''' Timeline assumes that the days shown on [[Caprica]] with [[Helo]] corresponds to the timeline on Galactica. A strong example of this is in the season 1 finale "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", when [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] travels from Galactica to Caprica.''

*'''1 Day:''' [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]]. ''Galactica's'' fleet leaves [[Cyrannus]] System.
*'''6 Days:''' ''Galactica'' finally loses the Cylon pursuers. Events of episode "[[33]]".
*'''7 Days:'''
**First new child born on the ''[[Rising Star]]''.
**''Pegasus'' encounters a fleet of 15 civilian ships, including ''[[Scylla]]''.
*'''10 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Water]]"
*'''12 Days:''' Tom Zarek engineers the capture of the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' by its prisoner crew. Events of episode "[[Bastille Day]]".
*'''14 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Act of Contrition]]". [[Skirmish over the Red Moon|Starbuck is missing after a Cylon fight]].
*'''15 Days:''' Events of episode "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"
*'''17 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Litmus]]"
*'''21 Days:''' First recollection by any of the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' crewmembers of giving [[Ellen Tigh]] medical assistance ("about a week" before "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]").
*'''24 Days:''' [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica Valerii]] and [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] first make love. Events of episode "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"
*'''25 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]"
*'''26 Days:''' Ellen Tigh resumes consciousness ("a couple of days" before [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).
*'''28 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]".
*'''36 Days:''' [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]. Caprica Valerii is pregnant and suffering morning sickness. Events of episode "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

===[[Colonial Day]]===

*'''Day 46:''' Delegates selected for the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. [[Tom Zarek]] selected to represent [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]]. Roslin implores Adama to permit his participation. [[Valance]] prepares to smuggle a ceramic stealth gun into the ''[[Cloud Nine]]''. Zarek addresses the fleet from the prison ship [[Astral Queen]]. Gaius Baltar selected to represent [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Apollo and Starbuck inspect the [[Cloud Nine]].

*'''Day 47 - Morning:''' Colonial Day. Delegates arrive on Cloud Nine. Roslin addresses the Quorum. Baltar eyes [[Playa Palacios]]. Zarek moves to elect a vice president and is nominated by [[Marshall Bagott]]. Motion passes, chair to remain open 72 hours for nominations.

*'''Day 47 - Afternoon:''' Roslin asks [[Wallace Gray]] to run for the vice presidency. Zarek expounds on his reform agenda. Valence scuffles with Apollo and Starbuck and is jailed. Helo and Caprica Valerii arrive at a spaceport in the vicinity of [[Delphi]].

*'''Day 47 - Evening:''' Starbuck and Apollo interrogate Valence to no effect.

*'''Day 48 - Morning:''' Grey addresses the Quorum. [[Safiya Sanne]] changes [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]]'s vote to Zarek, bringing his total to 5 of 12.

*'''Day 48 - Afternoon:''' Zarek serves [[Ellen Tigh]] a drink and inquires after the whereabouts of Valence. Baltar interviewed by [[James McManus]]. Valence found dead. Tigh, Apollo and Starbuck consult with Roslin on security.

*'''Day 48 - Evening:''' Roslin travels to ''Cloud Nine'' and asks Grey to drop out of the race and recruits Baltar to replace him, interrupting his "exclusive" with Palacios. Apollo and Starbuck flirt in the bunk on ''[[Galactica]]''.

*'''Day 49 - Morning:''' Baltar elected Vice President, with Roslin casting the tie-breaking vote.

*'''Day 49 - Evening:''' Victory party for Baltar. Roslin dances with Adama, Ellen with Saul Tigh, Billy with Dualla, Starbuck with Apollo and Baltar.

*'''Day 49 - Night:''' Helo and Caprica Valerii infiltrate the spaceport. Helo discovers Valerii is a Cylon and flees.

''Note: Roslin states that the chair will remain open for nominations for 72 hours on the morning of Day 47, but the [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|next episode]] clearly takes place the day after the victory party, and is stated to take place on Day 50. Perhaps the Quorum moved to close the nomination period early after the nomination of a strong candidate.''

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]===
*'''Day 50 - Early Morning:''' Apollo and Adama spar. Baltar and Starbuck have sex. Caprica Valerii catches up with Helo at [[Delphi]], and he shoots her. ''Galactica'' Boomer contemplates suicide. [[Cottle]] examines Roslin and gives her "six months, at the outside".

*'''Day 50 - Morning:''' Starbuck and an (already) drunken Baltar exchange innuendos over the officer's card game.

*'''Day 50 - Afternoon:''' Roslin briefs Baltar on her economic agenda. [[Number Six|Six]] warns him that "it's not safe to remain on ''Galactica''". ''Galactica'' Boomer and Crashdown stumble upon [[Kobol]]. Helo holds Caprica Valerii at gunpoint. Apollo and Starbuck exchange blows.

*'''Day 50 - Evening:''' Roslin examines an orbital photograph of Kobol and has a vision of the [[City of the Gods]]. Adama decides to send an expedition, which Baltar demands to accompany. ''Galactica'' Boomer shoots herself on Baltar's advice. In private, Roslin unsuccessfully petitions Commander Adama to send the Cylon Raider after the [[Arrow of Apollo]] on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].

*'''Day 50 - Night:''' [[Battle of Kobol]] begins. Scout party ambushed by a [[Cylon Basestar]] at Kobol. Starbuck devises a plan to deliver a nuke to the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] using the captured [[Cylon Raider|Raider]] and [[Cylon Transponder]]. Roslin convinces her to purloin the Raider and take it to Caprica instead.

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]===
*'''Day 51 - Early Morning:''' Survivors of [[Raptor 1]] escape the wreck. Baltar passes out. Adama terminates Roslin's presidency. Apollo and Tigh plan an assault on ''[[Colonial One]]''. Adama dispatches the wounded Boomer to take out the basestar. Caprica Valerii leads Helo to [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]].

*'''Day 51 - Morning:''' Starbuck arrives at Caprica, retrieves the [[Arrow of Apollo]], kills a copy of [[Number Six|Six]] and meets up with Helo. ''Galactica's'' [[Marines|marines]] board ''[[Colonial One]]''. Apollo mutinies, Roslin stands down. Baltar has a vision of the shape of things to come. ''Galactica'' Boomer confronts other Valerii copies on the basestar. She returns from her mission and shoots Commander Adama.

==Season 2.0==
''Note: Season 2 dates are rough guesses, at best, and are complicated by the [[season two timeline discontinuity]]. Dates for the first half of the season are based off of the last dates given at the end of season one.

===[[Scattered]]===
*'''Day 51 - Morning:''' A [[Cylon Basestar]] ambushes the fleet, which jumps to an [[Emergency Jump Coordinates| emergency rendezvous point]]. ''Galactica'' jumps to wrong coordinates and is forced to backtrack. [[Battle of Kobol#Scattering of the Fleet|''Galactica'' holds off basestar]] and returns to bulk of the Fleet.

===[[Valley of Darkness]]===
*'''Day 51 - Morning:''' ''Galactica'' is partially disabled by a Cylon [[Virus|virus]] while a [[Cylon Centurion]] boarding party attempts to [[Battle of Kobol#Cylon Boarding|commandeer the ship]].

===[[Fragged]]===
*'''Day 51 - Afternoon:''' [[Crashdown]] is shot by [[Gaius Baltar]] on Kobol after threatening to shoot [[Cally]].

===[[Resistance]]===
*'''Day 52:''' Tigh interrogates Tyrol and imprisons him with [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)]].

*'''Day 53 - Morning:''' [[Cally]] blackmails Baltar into running his Cylon test on Tyrol. Baltar notes to Tigh that he should assume Roslin's duties; he invites Baltar to join her in the brig. ''[[Aturian]]'' stops refining Tylium in protest of Martial law. Apollo briefs pilots in the ready room. Dualla checks out his ass. On Caprica, Starbuck and Helo meet [[Samuel Anders]]'s [[Resistance (movement)|Resistance]].

*'''Day 53 - Afternoon:''' Tigh deploys troops to vessels refusing to supply ''Galactica''. The [[Gideon]] Massacre takes place. Roslin is chagrined. Apollo initiates his escape plan.

*'''Day 53 - Evening:''' Saul and Ellen Tigh argue and have sex. Baltar poisons Tyrol and interrogates Boomer. Starbuck and Helo arrive at the Resistance HQ with Anders.

*'''Day 54 - Morning:''' Apollo delivers briefing, orchestrates Roslin's escape. The deck gang begin construction of a new brig cell for [[Cylon agent|Cylon agents]].

*'''Day 54 - Afternoon:''' Apollo & co. disembark at the [[Cloud Nine]] and link up with [[Tom Zarek]]. Starbuck and Anders flirt.

*'''Day 54 - Evening:''' Commander Adama wakes up. Cally kills ''Galactica'' Boomer.

===[[The Farm]]===
*'''Day 61:''' - Laura Roslin & co. take refuge on ''[[Kimba Huta]]''. William Adama resumes command of ''Galactica''.

===[[Home, Part I]]===
*'''Day ?? - Morning:''' Kara Thrace's captured [[Cylon Heavy Raider|Heavy Raider]] jumps into orbit around Kobol. Tom Zarek attempts to have it shot down because it's not the same Raider that Thrace departed in. Thrace lands her Heavy Raider aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' and is reunited with President Roslin and Lee Adama. Lee learns that in addtion to Karl Agathon, Thrace brought back the Caprican copy of Sharon Valerii, whereupon Lee pulls a gun on Sharon. After defusing the situation with words, Roslin orders Valerii thrown out the airlock, but relents and has her thrown into the brig instead, after hearing both Thrace and Agathon's protest. Commander Adama promotes Captain [[George Birch]] to be the new ''Galactica'' CAG.

*'''Day ?? - Afternoon:''' Commander Adama holds a press conference regarding the escape of President Roslin from his custody and the ensuing martial law. Adama adjourns the press conference when the questions become increasingly pointed.

*'''Day ??+1 - Morning:''' Cpt. Birch on his first mission as CAG is responsible for an accident that nearly kills [[Kat]]. Zarek and his trusted lieutenant [[Meier]] plot to overthrow Roslin and take command of the fleet.

*'''Day ??+1 - Afternoon:''' Cpt. Birch oversees his second flight mishap as CAG when two ships he's supposed to be guiding collide with one another during a routine refueling operation.

*'''Day ??+2 - Morning:''' Roslin's party, made up of Thrace, Cpt. Adama, Elosha, Zarek, Meier, Agathon, Boomer, two Zarek red-shirts, two Roslin red-shirts and Rolsin herself land on Kobol. Using Valerii as their guide they set out in search of the [[Tomb of Athena]].

*'''Day ??+2 - Afternoon:''' The party is ambushed by Cylon Centurions after Elosha accidentally trips a "bouncing betty" land mine and it blows up in her face, killing her. The surviving party is saved when Valerii uses an RPG launcher to destroy the last remaining Centurion.

*'''Day ??+2 - Evening:''' Adama makes the decision to put the fleet back together after a long and heartfelt talk with [[Dee]].

===[[Home, Part II]]===
*'''Day ??:''' - [[Raptor 1]] lands on Kobol with [[William Adama]] and his contingent. [[Tomb of Athena]] found.
*'''Day ??:''' - Roslin reestablished as lawful President; martial law ends. Fleet reunification.

===[[Final Cut]]===
*'''Day ??''' [[D'anna Biers]] produces a documentary aboard the Galactica about the "[[Gideon massacre]]". It is a generally positive documentary broadcast to the fleet. Unknown to the fleet, it is also surveillance by the Cylons into the status of the Colonial fleet.

===[[Flight of the Phoenix]]===
*'''Day 84''' - Laura Roslin is given a few weeks, a month at the most to live. [[Cally]] is released from the brig; a welcome back party is thrown for her by the deck crew.
*'''Day ??''' - [[Chief Tyrol]] begins construction of the [[Blackbird]] prototype stealth fighter.
*'''Day ??''' - [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|''Galactica'' routs hundreds of Cylon fighters]] without a casualty while dispatching a [[Logic bomb]] from their ship computers.
*'''Day ??''' - The [[Blackbird]] prototype stealth fighter is completed by [[Chief Tyrol]] and a team of Galactica crewmembers. Lt. Thrace flies it on its first test flight, quickly proving its value as a stealth craft.

===[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]===
*'''Day ??''' - ''Galactica'' encounters battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. Admiral [[Helena Cain]] assumes fleet command.
*'''Day ??'''- [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] accidentally kills ''Pegasus'' Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne|Thorne]] and is arrested with [[Karl Agathon|Helo]].
*'''Day ??''' - A standoff between the two battlestars begins over the treatment of the arrested ''Galactica'' crew.

==Season two timeline discontinuity==
:''Main article: [[Season two timeline discontinuity]]''
Based on various evidence, the end of "Resistance" can be very firmly dated to Day 54. This puts Cally's release at Day 84, and in turn means that as of "Flight of the Phoenix", Roslin was not expected to live past day 114. Corroborating this, Sharon Valerii does not appear visibly pregnant in "Pegasus".

However, in the following episode, Admiral Cain states offhandedly that it has been about six months since the fall of the colonies. This is further corroborated in "Epiphanies", which we learn takes place 189 days after the holocaust (a full 75 days longer than Roslin's most favorable prognosis). Additionally, Valerii now appears to be well into her second trimester, and elections have been put off by 75 days from their first-season projections.

There is apparently no way to reconcile this discrepancy. Even under the most liberal assumptions, the first half of the second season timeline cannot accommodate more than about three additional days.

Consequently, there is a 75-day discontinuity between the fist and second halves of season two. The second half of the season is dated from the firm dates given in "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and "Epiphanies", but be aware that dates throughout the remainder of season 2 are likely to contradict those from earlier in the series.

==Season 2.5==
===[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]===
*'''Day ~175''' - The standoff between the two battlestars ends in an uneasy truce, and a tense summit aboard Colonial One, after Lt. Thrace returns from an unauthorized surveillance mission to the Cylon fleet, where she gains critical evidence on a Cylon ship. Dr. Baltar is able to determine from [[Gina]] that this is the [[Resurrection Ship]] that cylons need to resurrect so far from the Cylon homeworld.

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]===
*'''Day ~177''' - The Battlestars Galactica and Pegasus together engage the Cylon fleet in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]], where they achieve an overwhelming victory with relatively light casualties, destroying not only the Resurrection Ship, but at least one other Cylon base star. The Blackbird is destroyed in the battle, although Lee Adama manages to eject successfully. At least one Raptor is also lost in the battle. Admiral Cain is killed by Gina, after Baltar helps her escape captivity. He then proceeds to hide her in the fleet.

===[[Epiphanies]]===
*'''Day 189''' - President Roslin near death; orders death of Cylon fetus. A [[Demand Peace|Cylon peace movement]] begins to pose as a threat to [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]. The Cylon fetus is eventually spared, when Dr. Baltar determines how to use Cylon fetal stem cells to treat Roslin's cancer. Dr. Baltar smuggles the nuclear weapon that he was provided with for work on his Cylon detector to the Cylon peace movement aboard Cloud Nine.

===[[Black Market]]===
*'''Day ???''' - Commander Fisk is murdered aboard the Battlestar Pegasus. Lee Adama begins an investigation into the matter.
*'''Day ???''' - Lee Adama kills [[Phelan]], leader of the [[Black market (organization)|Black Market]] crime syndicate.
*'''Day ???''' - Lee Adama is debriefed on the entire incident regarding the murder of Fisk and the Black Market.

===[[Scar]]===
*'''Day ???''' - After 29 days in an asteroid field (putting us at Day 218 or later), the ''[[Majahual|Majahual's]]'' mining operation has produced enough raw materials for the construction of two new Viper squadrons using the fabrication facilities aboard the [[Pegasus (RDM)|Battlestar ''Pegasus'']]. Attacks on the operation continue by the ace Cylon raider known as [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]], making it the source of a heated competition between Lt. Katraine and Cpt. Thrace.

===[[Sacrifice]]===
*'''c. Day 210''' - Three men and a woman named [[Sesha Abinell]] lay siege to bar onboard [[Cloud 9]], taking the guests hostage, and sealing the area off from the rest of the ship. Abinell's husband was killed aboard the ''[[Greenleaf]]'' when the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] attacked it ten weeks ago, and she decides to exact vengeance. Lee Adama is wounded as a result of a failed rescue attempt by [[Kara Thrace]]

''Backdated from "The Captain's Hand" and "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"''

===[[The Captain's Hand]]===
*'''c. Day 236''' - [[Kara Thrace]] assigned to ''Pegasus'' as flight instructor.
*'''Day ??''' - Almost one month after the events of "Sacrifice", [[Lee Adama]] has been promoted to Major and temporarily assigned to ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. [[Rya Kibby]] arrives on ''Galactica'' seeking a clandestine abortion from Dr. [[Cottle]] and requests asylum.
*'''c. Day 240''' - ''Pegasus'' Commander [[Barry Garner]] dies during the [[Battle of the Binary Star System]]. Adama is promoted to Commander and given command of ''Pegasus'', with Thrace replacing him as CAG of ''Galactica''. In response to heavy lobbying from Gemenon delegate [[Sarah Porter]] over the Kibby incident, Roslin places a moratorium on abortion. In protest, Vice President Gaius Baltar announces his candidacy for president in the upcoming election.
''Backdated from "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I".''

===[[Downloaded]]===
*'''Day 270 (Zero Hour + 9 months)''' - [[Hera]] born. This episode claims that the previous episode "[[Resistance]]" took place "10 weeks before" Day 270. However, 10x7 = 70 and 270 - 70 = 200, this would put Cally's shooting of ''Galactica''-Boomer ''after'' "[[Epiphanies]]" which was stated to take place on Day 189. Even a very liberal estimate could not possibly place "Resistance" more than a week or two after "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II", when it was stated on screen that it was Day 51. This reference to "10 weeks" is a mistake, which will be corrected in the DVD and international releases of "Downloaded".

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]===
*'''c. Day 256''' - [[Galen Tyrol]] begins a series of recurring suicidal nightmares.
*'''c. Day 269''' - Presidential debates begin. [[Kara Thrace]], [[Felix Gaeta]] and [[Lee Adama]] brief pilots on Caprica SAR mission on ''Pegasus''. Tyrol attacks [[Cally]] after being woken from a nightmare.
*'''c. Day 270''' - Media reports on first debates. SAR team departs; [[Margaret Edmonson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]] and crew accidentally discover a habitable planet and return to [[the Fleet]]. Tyrol begins counseling with Brother [[Cavil]].
*'''c. Day 280''' - Final presidential debate. SAR team arrives at Caprica and meets with [[Samuel Anders]]'s [[Resistance (movement)|Resistance]].
*'''c. Day 283''' - Polls open (projected).
''Tom Zarek states that the fleet has been "cooped up in metal boxes for nine months" the morning after the debates. This date is roughly taken as Day 270, with an implied give-or-take of a couple weeks. The surrounding events noted above can, however, be placed relative to this point with a good degree of certainty based on episode dialogue.''

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]===
*'''Day 281''' - Thrace's SAR team and Anders' resistance are pinned down by a Cylon sneak attack. They are under siege for 18 hours, the next morning they awake to find the Cylons have completely abandoned Caprica.
*'''Day 282''' - The SAR mission returns to Galactica, Cavil is discovered to be a Cylon when a second copy steps off a Raptor.
*'''Day 283''' - The polls open, Baltar wins. Tory Foster conspires with Col. Tigh and Dualla to rig the vote results to keep Roslin in power. Their plan is found out by Lt. Gaeta and Admiral Adama convinces Roslin to let the people's will prevail and let Baltar become president.
*'''Day 284''' - Baltar is inaugurated President. A distraught and emotionally bankrupt [[Gina]] detonates the nuclear warhead given to her by Baltar and destroys ''Cloud 9'' and several other near-by ships.
*'''c. Day 285''' - Adama visits President Baltar aboard ''Colonial One'' and questions him about the ''Cloud 9'' disaster. A defiant Baltar rebukes all his questions and accusations.
*'''Between c. Day 285 and 660''' - The fleet settles on [[New Caprica]]. Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders marry. Galen Tyrol and Cally marry, Cally becomes pregnant, Tyrol becomes a union head. Dualla transfers to ''Pegasus''. Most of ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' crews retire from active military duty. Dualla becomes Lee Adama's Tactical Officer on ''Pegasus''. Felix Gaeta retires from military duty and becomes President Baltar's aide, Karl Agathon replaces him in the CIC. Former President Laura Roslin becomes a school teacher on New Caprica, Maya, Hera's adoptive mother, is her teacher's assistant. Lee Adama and Kara Thrace have fallen out of favour with one another, while Thrace and Col. Tigh appear to have mended fences.
*'''c. Day 660''' - Admiral Adama discharges Col. Tigh from his duties aboard ''Galactica''. Tyrol and Cally organize a general labor strike in protest of Baltar's poor leadership as President. Cylon forces occupy New Caprica.

==Future Events==
*'''<s>Day 86 + 1 month (c. Day 116):''' Roslin's maximum life expectancy as of Day 86 ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])</s>
*'''<s>Day 54 + 3 months (c. Day 144):''' [[Samuel Anders]]'s [[Resistance (movement)|Resistance]]'s anti-radiation med supply projected to run out ("[[Resistance]]").</s>
**Anders' group survives in "[[Downloaded]]", c. Day 270. They could have simply found more stockpiles of anti-radiation meds in the intervening time period.
***Radation from nukes drop at an exponential rate. It's possible that measured background radiation dropped enough so the anti-radiation meds were no longer needed.
*<s>'''Day 12 + 7 Months (c. Day 222):''' Elections due for President of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] ([[Bastille Day]]).</s>
**<s>As of "[[Downloaded]]", c. Day 270, the elections are near but have not yet arrived.</s>
***The elections come and go. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] is elected President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]] and [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|Part II]]).
*'''<s>Day 50 + 6 Months (c. Day 230):''' Roslin's maximum life expectancy as of Day 50 ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).</s>
**<s>Roslin promised to get the fleet to [[Earth]] before her death '''(c. Day 230)'''</s> ([[Fragged]]).
***As of Day 660 Roslin is still alive and the fleet has not made it to Earth yet ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*'''<s>Day 24 + 9 Months (c. Day 294):''' [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|"Caprica" Sharon Valerii]]'s daughter born. (see [[#Notes|Notes]] below)</s>
**[[Hera]], daughter of [[Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|"Caprica" Sharon Valerii]] was born premature c. Day 270 ([[Downloaded]]).
*'''Day 36 + 3 years (c. Day 1131):''' Fleet runs out of [[tylium]] fuel that was resupplied from the Cylon asteroid mine; assuming that no other sources have been found before this date. ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])
*<s>'''Day 260 (approx) + 18 years (c. Day 6,830)''' Time at which, if the [[Survivor count]] keeps up its current rate of decline and never increases, the human race will simply go extinct, according to Baltar's estimate in "[[The Captain's Hand]]".</s>
** Due to the destruction of ''[[Cloud 9]]'' and surrounding ships in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", this figure has been drastically altered.

== Notes ==

*The above day listings use a simplistic calendar system with 30 day months and no leap years. The colonial calendar may be more sophisticated.
*<s>The date of Valerii and Agathon's child is speculated, assuming that the [[Cylon agent]]s share the same gestation period that humans do, and that the birth of their hybrid daughter is not [[Wikipedia:premature birth|premature]].</s>
**Date of Hera's birth is now confirmed at Day 270.
*Later episodes in "Season 2.5" such as "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and "Epiphanies" state clearly that "Pegasus" and the episodes immediately following it take place six months after the Cylon Attack. Ron D. Moore did state that it took Tyrol "weeks" to construct the Blackbird and a large amount of time passes in this episode as a result. ''BattlestarWiki'' originally assumed this meant at most 2-4 weeks. However, the only plausible way that Pegasus and Resurrection Ship, Part I can take place six months after the attack is if "Flight of the Phoenix" actually lasted''' three months '''from beginning to end. Roslin was told in this episode that her cancer had accelerated, and she had only one month to live. As Cally's "welcome back" party happened earlier in the episode, when she was released from the brig around Day 86, a considerable period of time (several weeks at least) pass between these two scenes.

[[Category:A to Z]] [[Category:RDM]] [[Category:Colonial History|*]] [[Category:Behind the Scenes]]

Jane Esolia

2006-06-01T22:13:42Z

Kuralyov:

'''Jane Esolia''' was a woman from [[Gemenon]]. She was killed in the [[Sky King Disaster]] 6 years prior to the [[Cylon Holocaust]]. A copy of her was later found in [[Medivac 12]].
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:People from Gemenon|Esolia, Jane]]

The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

2006-06-01T22:12:46Z

Kuralyov: /* Natives */

:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

{{Twelve Colonies Series}}
Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] settled on nearby worlds ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their names and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time. ([[Home, Part II]]).

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Roslin]] mention leaving the solar system, it is unclear whether all twelve Colonies are orbiting a single star or what the name of this star might be. ([[Miniseries]])

The semi-canonical 2003 [[Video Game]] names the home system for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]] but this has yet to be confirmed in the new television series. In an early script of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica Miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the original concept.''

[[Ronald D. Moore]] has suggested that the Colonies probably maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems, but it is unlikely that ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' will encounter them in the course of the series. ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016|RDM, January 30, 2005])''

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries|Aries]]

"15 people were killed" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled "[[Lest We Forget]]"). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hanger.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] - ([[Cylon agent#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

 

==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius|Aquarius]])

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
 

==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]].

 

==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Capricorn|Capricorn]])

Caprica is a large blue-green planet, similar to Earth. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]]. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]]. Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The episode opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

During the [[Third Colonial Conflict]], Caprica fought Sagittaron.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Resistance (movement)|resistance]] cell led by [[Samuel Anders]] operates near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. Gaius Baltar wears), [[fumarella leaf]], and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]. Internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]].
*[[Caroline Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from SkyOne he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''

 

==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Despite federal laws guaranteeing of reproductive freedom, the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon Attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
*[[Jane Esolia]]
 

==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

 

==Libra==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libra]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed.''

The ''[[Space Park]]'', a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

 

==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces|Pisces]])

Picon was the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]), and as such came under heavy attack during the early stages of the [[Cylon Attack|Cylon attack]]. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Picon was nuked; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some unknown hero ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

 

==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius|Sagittarius]])

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after unified Colonial rule, [[Tom Zarek]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittarian penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

Sagittaron fought Caprica during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]].

As of "[[33]]", 5,251 natives of the planet were in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Darrin Dualla]]
*Representative [[Tom Zarek]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Sparto Relamia]]
 

==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], where the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the [[Cylon Attack]]. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its Quorum delegate.

 

==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

 

==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the [[Cylon attack]] began, a large battle began "shaping up" over the planet and apparently ended with the destruction of the [[battlestar]] ''[[Atlantia]]'' and the death of [[Admiral Nagala]] hours later.

==Sources==
#"Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.
#*Matches colonies with flags.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Planets]]
[[Category:Twelve Colonies]]

[[es:Las Doce Colonias (RDM)]]

Sparto Relamia

2006-06-01T22:12:31Z

Kuralyov:

'''Sparto Relamia''' was a man from [[Sagittaron]]. A (presumed) copy of him was found onboard [[Medivac 12]].
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:People from Sagittaron|Relamia, Sparto]]

The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

2006-06-01T22:11:06Z

Kuralyov: /* Natives */

:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

{{Twelve Colonies Series}}
Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] settled on nearby worlds ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their names and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time. ([[Home, Part II]]).

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Roslin]] mention leaving the solar system, it is unclear whether all twelve Colonies are orbiting a single star or what the name of this star might be. ([[Miniseries]])

The semi-canonical 2003 [[Video Game]] names the home system for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]] but this has yet to be confirmed in the new television series. In an early script of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica Miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the original concept.''

[[Ronald D. Moore]] has suggested that the Colonies probably maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems, but it is unlikely that ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' will encounter them in the course of the series. ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016|RDM, January 30, 2005])''

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries|Aries]]

"15 people were killed" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled "[[Lest We Forget]]"). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hanger.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] - ([[Cylon agent#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

 

==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius|Aquarius]])

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
 

==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]].

 

==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Capricorn|Capricorn]])

Caprica is a large blue-green planet, similar to Earth. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]]. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]]. Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The episode opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

During the [[Third Colonial Conflict]], Caprica fought Sagittaron.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Resistance (movement)|resistance]] cell led by [[Samuel Anders]] operates near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. Gaius Baltar wears), [[fumarella leaf]], and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]. Internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]].
*[[Caroline Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from SkyOne he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''

 

==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Despite federal laws guaranteeing of reproductive freedom, the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon Attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
 

==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

 

==Libra==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libra]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed.''

The ''[[Space Park]]'', a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

 

==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces|Pisces]])

Picon was the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]), and as such came under heavy attack during the early stages of the [[Cylon Attack|Cylon attack]]. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Picon was nuked; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some unknown hero ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

 

==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius|Sagittarius]])

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after unified Colonial rule, [[Tom Zarek]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittarian penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

Sagittaron fought Caprica during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]].

As of "[[33]]", 5,251 natives of the planet were in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Darrin Dualla]]
*Representative [[Tom Zarek]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Sparto Relamia]]
 

==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], where the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the [[Cylon Attack]]. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its Quorum delegate.

 

==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

 

==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the [[Cylon attack]] began, a large battle began "shaping up" over the planet and apparently ended with the destruction of the [[battlestar]] ''[[Atlantia]]'' and the death of [[Admiral Nagala]] hours later.

==Sources==
#"Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.
#*Matches colonies with flags.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Planets]]
[[Category:Twelve Colonies]]

[[es:Las Doce Colonias (RDM)]]

Medivac 12

2006-06-01T22:10:28Z

Kuralyov:

'''Medivac 12''' was a [[Medivac]] in the [[Caprican Expeditionary Fleet]] destroyed by the [[Sagittaron|Sagittarian]] fleet during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]].

Sometime after the reunification of [[the Fleet]], the [[Galactica]] convoy discovered it drifting in space, under attack by the [[Cylon]]s. It was populated with people who had died during the [[Cylon Holocaust]], presumably [[clone]]s.
==Inhabitants found==
*[[Darrin Dualla]]
*[[Zak Adama]]
*[[Jane Esolia]]
*[[Sparto Relamia]]
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft]]

Medivac

2006-06-01T22:07:21Z

Kuralyov:

'''Medivacs''' were hospital ships used by the [[Caprican Expeditionary Fleet]] during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]]. Their design suggested a relationship to later [[battlestar]]s. [[Medivac 12]] was one of the ships.
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft]]

Darrin Dualla

2006-06-01T22:06:41Z

Kuralyov:

'''Darrin Dualla''' was the brother of [[Anastasia Dualla]]. He died in the [[Cylon Holocaust]], but a version of him (possibly a [[Cylon]]-produced [[clone]]) was discovered onboard [[Medivac 12]].
==Notes==
In the comic, he is only referred to as "Darrin," and in fact calls his sister "Dualla." However, it is only logical to assume that siblings would share the same last name.
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:People from Sagittaron|Dualla, Darrin]]

The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

2006-06-01T22:04:25Z

Kuralyov: /* Natives */

:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

{{Twelve Colonies Series}}
Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] settled on nearby worlds ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their names and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time. ([[Home, Part II]]).

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Roslin]] mention leaving the solar system, it is unclear whether all twelve Colonies are orbiting a single star or what the name of this star might be. ([[Miniseries]])

The semi-canonical 2003 [[Video Game]] names the home system for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]] but this has yet to be confirmed in the new television series. In an early script of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica Miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the original concept.''

[[Ronald D. Moore]] has suggested that the Colonies probably maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems, but it is unlikely that ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' will encounter them in the course of the series. ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016|RDM, January 30, 2005])''

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries|Aries]]

"15 people were killed" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled "[[Lest We Forget]]"). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hanger.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] - ([[Cylon agent#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

 

==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius|Aquarius]])

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
 

==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]].

 

==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Capricorn|Capricorn]])

Caprica is a large blue-green planet, similar to Earth. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]]. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]]. Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The episode opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

During the [[Third Colonial Conflict]], Caprica fought Sagittaron.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Resistance (movement)|resistance]] cell led by [[Samuel Anders]] operates near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. Gaius Baltar wears), [[fumarella leaf]], and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]. Internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]].
*[[Caroline Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from SkyOne he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''

 

==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Despite federal laws guaranteeing of reproductive freedom, the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon Attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
 

==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

 

==Libra==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libra]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed.''

The ''[[Space Park]]'', a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

 

==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces|Pisces]])

Picon was the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]), and as such came under heavy attack during the early stages of the [[Cylon Attack|Cylon attack]]. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Picon was nuked; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some unknown hero ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

 

==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius|Sagittarius]])

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after unified Colonial rule, [[Tom Zarek]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittarian penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

Sagittaron fought Caprica during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]].

As of "[[33]]", 5,251 natives of the planet were in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Darrin Dualla]]
*Representative [[Tom Zarek]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])

 

==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], where the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the [[Cylon Attack]]. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its Quorum delegate.

 

==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

 

==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the [[Cylon attack]] began, a large battle began "shaping up" over the planet and apparently ended with the destruction of the [[battlestar]] ''[[Atlantia]]'' and the death of [[Admiral Nagala]] hours later.

==Sources==
#"Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.
#*Matches colonies with flags.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Planets]]
[[Category:Twelve Colonies]]

[[es:Las Doce Colonias (RDM)]]

Medivac

2006-06-01T22:03:42Z

Kuralyov:

'''Medivacs''' were hospital ships used by the [[Caprican Expeditionary Fleet]] during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]].
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft]]

The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

2006-06-01T22:02:58Z

Kuralyov: /* Sagittaron */

:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

{{Twelve Colonies Series}}
Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] settled on nearby worlds ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their names and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time. ([[Home, Part II]]).

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Roslin]] mention leaving the solar system, it is unclear whether all twelve Colonies are orbiting a single star or what the name of this star might be. ([[Miniseries]])

The semi-canonical 2003 [[Video Game]] names the home system for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]] but this has yet to be confirmed in the new television series. In an early script of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica Miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the original concept.''

[[Ronald D. Moore]] has suggested that the Colonies probably maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems, but it is unlikely that ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' will encounter them in the course of the series. ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016|RDM, January 30, 2005])''

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries|Aries]]

"15 people were killed" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled "[[Lest We Forget]]"). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hanger.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] - ([[Cylon agent#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

 

==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius|Aquarius]])

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
 

==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]].

 

==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Capricorn|Capricorn]])

Caprica is a large blue-green planet, similar to Earth. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]]. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]]. Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The episode opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

During the [[Third Colonial Conflict]], Caprica fought Sagittaron.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Resistance (movement)|resistance]] cell led by [[Samuel Anders]] operates near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. Gaius Baltar wears), [[fumarella leaf]], and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]. Internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]].
*[[Caroline Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from SkyOne he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''

 

==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Despite federal laws guaranteeing of reproductive freedom, the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon Attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
 

==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

 

==Libra==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libra]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed.''

The ''[[Space Park]]'', a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

 

==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces|Pisces]])

Picon was the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]), and as such came under heavy attack during the early stages of the [[Cylon Attack|Cylon attack]]. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Picon was nuked; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some unknown hero ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

 

==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius|Sagittarius]])

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after unified Colonial rule, [[Tom Zarek]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittarian penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

Sagittaron fought Caprica during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]].

As of "[[33]]", 5,251 natives of the planet were in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*Representative [[Tom Zarek]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])

 

==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], where the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the [[Cylon Attack]]. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its Quorum delegate.

 

==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

 

==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the [[Cylon attack]] began, a large battle began "shaping up" over the planet and apparently ended with the destruction of the [[battlestar]] ''[[Atlantia]]'' and the death of [[Admiral Nagala]] hours later.

==Sources==
#"Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.
#*Matches colonies with flags.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Planets]]
[[Category:Twelve Colonies]]

[[es:Las Doce Colonias (RDM)]]

The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

2006-06-01T22:02:20Z

Kuralyov: /* Caprica */

:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

{{Twelve Colonies Series}}
Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] settled on nearby worlds ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their names and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time. ([[Home, Part II]]).

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Roslin]] mention leaving the solar system, it is unclear whether all twelve Colonies are orbiting a single star or what the name of this star might be. ([[Miniseries]])

The semi-canonical 2003 [[Video Game]] names the home system for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]] but this has yet to be confirmed in the new television series. In an early script of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica Miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the original concept.''

[[Ronald D. Moore]] has suggested that the Colonies probably maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems, but it is unlikely that ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' will encounter them in the course of the series. ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016|RDM, January 30, 2005])''

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries|Aries]]

"15 people were killed" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled "[[Lest We Forget]]"). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hanger.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] - ([[Cylon agent#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

 

==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius|Aquarius]])

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
 

==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]].

 

==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Capricorn|Capricorn]])

Caprica is a large blue-green planet, similar to Earth. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]]. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]]. Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The episode opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

During the [[Third Colonial Conflict]], Caprica fought Sagittaron.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Resistance (movement)|resistance]] cell led by [[Samuel Anders]] operates near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. Gaius Baltar wears), [[fumarella leaf]], and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]. Internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]].
*[[Caroline Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from SkyOne he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''

 

==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Despite federal laws guaranteeing of reproductive freedom, the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon Attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
 

==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

 

==Libra==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libra]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed.''

The ''[[Space Park]]'', a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

 

==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces|Pisces]])

Picon was the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]), and as such came under heavy attack during the early stages of the [[Cylon Attack|Cylon attack]]. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Picon was nuked; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some unknown hero ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

 

==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius|Sagittarius]])

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after unified Colonial rule, [[Tom Zarek]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittarian penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

As of "[[33]]", 5,251 natives of the planet were in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*Representative [[Tom Zarek]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])

 

==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], where the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the [[Cylon Attack]]. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its Quorum delegate.

 

==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

 

==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the [[Cylon attack]] began, a large battle began "shaping up" over the planet and apparently ended with the destruction of the [[battlestar]] ''[[Atlantia]]'' and the death of [[Admiral Nagala]] hours later.

==Sources==
#"Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.
#*Matches colonies with flags.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Planets]]
[[Category:Twelve Colonies]]

[[es:Las Doce Colonias (RDM)]]

Warbird

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Kuralyov:

'''Warbirds''' were military ships used by [[Sagittaron]] during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]]. There were at least two generations of warbirds.
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft]]

Caprican Expeditionary Fleet

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Kuralyov: /* Sources */

The '''Caprican Expeditionary Fleet''' was the space navy of [[Caprica]] during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]]. Its ships included [[flattop]]s, [[medivac]]s, and early model [[viper]]s.
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:Colonial Military]]

Caprican Expeditionary Fleet

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Kuralyov:

Flattop

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Kuralyov:

''This page is about the ship Flattop. For information about the pliot with the callsign "Flat Top", see [[Dwight Saunders]]''

{{Ship Data
| image= Salvage and Repair.JPG
| title= Flattop
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| ftl= Yes
| role= Salvage and Repair Ship
| length= 715 feet
| width= 285 feet
| height= 245 feet
}}

'''''Flattop''''' is a [[salvage and repair]] ship in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], acting as a mobile spacedock. It is [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Scorpion|Scorpia]] registered.{{citation needed}}

Ships of the same design were used by the [[Caprican Expeditionary Fleet]] during the [[Third Colonial Conflict]].

{{citation needed}} for ship dimensions
{{stub}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Third Colonial Conflict

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Kuralyov:

The '''Third Colonial War''' occured 60 years prior to the [[Cylon Holocaust]]. All that is known of the war is that [[Caprica]] and [[Sagittaron]] were on opposing sides. The Sagittarian fleet used [[warbird]]s and the [[Caprican Expeditionary Fleet]] used early [[viper]]s, [[medivac]]s, and [[flattop]]s.
==Sources==
*[[Battlestar Galactica 0]]
[[Category:Conflicts]]

Timeline (RDM)

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Kuralyov: /* Recent Colonial History */

:''Dates use the day of the [[Cylon Holocaust]] as a baseline. See also [[Survivor Count]], [[History of the Twelve Colonies]].''

==Ancient History==
*'''-3600 Years:''' [[Pythia]] records her prophecies.
*'''-2000 Years:''' The thirteen tribes leave [[Kobol]]: twelve for the [[Cyrannus System]], the other for [[Earth]].

==Recent Colonial History==
*'''-60 Years:''' [[Third Colonial Conflict]].
*'''-52 Years:''' Cylon revolt begins the [[Cylon War]]. [[Articles of Colonization]] signed ([[Colonial Day]], [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005]).
*'''-51 Years''' Colonials suffer a major defeat when the Colonial ship ''[[Brenik]]'' is lost after a boarding action by Cylon Centurions, which resulted in some of the bloodiest, hand-to-hand fighting of the war. A young Petty Officer [[Saul Tigh]] is one of a handful of survivors.
*'''-50 Years:'''
** [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' enters service under Commander [[Nash]].
*'''c. -41 years:''' [[William Adama]] begins his service in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot, near the end of the Cylon War.
*'''-40 Years:''' Armistice between the Colonials and the Cylons ends the [[Cylon War]].
*'''-20 Years:'''
**Last significant [[FTL|Jump]] recorded on battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'s'' logs.
**[[Tom Zarek]] imprisoned for blowing up a government building on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]] ([[Bastille Day]]).
**[[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh]] first meet ([[Scattered]], podcast).
**[[Laura Roslin]] begins her career in politics ([[Litmus]]).
*'''-7 Years:''' [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] marry. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/112/deleted1.html deleted scene])
*'''-5 Years:'''
**[[Laura Roslin]]'s last breast exam prior to her cancer diagnosis ([[Act of Contrition]]).
**[[Galen Tyrol]] assigned to ''Galactica'' ([[Litmus]]).
*'''-3 Years:''' [[Felix Gaeta]] assigned to ''Galactica''.
*'''-2 Years:'''
**[[Caprica Six]] begins residence on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]), first encounters Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] ([[Miniseries]]).
**[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|A copy of Sharon Valerii]] begins serving aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Farm]]).
**[[Zak Adama]] dies in a flight school accident. His funeral is Lee and William Adama's last meeting until the miniseries.
**Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] is re-assigned from Flight School to Battlestar ''Galactica'' ([[Act of Contrition]]).
*'''-1 Year:''' Last time [[William Adama]] and [[Caroline Adama]] speak.
*'''-Several months''' [[Caroline Adama]] gets engaged.
*'''-3 Weeks:''' [[Anastasia Dualla]] last visits her home.
*'''Zero Hour:''' Cylons [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destroy]] the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. The (so-far-known) only known survivors are a rag-tag fugitive fleet escorted by ''Galactica''; ''Pegasus'', which was another [[Pegasus (RDM)|isolated battlestar]]; a fleet of 15 civilian FTL capable ships; and the [[Resistance (movement)|resistance]] on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Events of the [[Miniseries]].

==Season 1==
*'''Note:''' Timeline assumes that the days shown on [[Caprica]] with [[Helo]] corresponds to the timeline on Galactica. A strong example of this is in the season 1 finale "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", when [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] travels from Galactica to Caprica.''

*'''1 Day:''' [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]]. ''Galactica's'' fleet leaves [[Cyrannus]] System.
*'''6 Days:''' ''Galactica'' finally loses the Cylon pursuers. Events of episode "[[33]]".
*'''7 Days:'''
**First new child born on the ''[[Rising Star]]''.
**''Pegasus'' encounters a fleet of 15 civilian ships, including ''[[Scylla]]''.
*'''10 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Water]]"
*'''12 Days:''' Tom Zarek engineers the capture of the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' by its prisoner crew. Events of episode "[[Bastille Day]]".
*'''14 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Act of Contrition]]". [[Skirmish over the Red Moon|Starbuck is missing after a Cylon fight]].
*'''15 Days:''' Events of episode "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"
*'''17 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Litmus]]"
*'''21 Days:''' First recollection by any of the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' crewmembers of giving [[Ellen Tigh]] medical assistance ("about a week" before "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]").
*'''24 Days:''' [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica Valerii]] and [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] first make love. Events of episode "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"
*'''25 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]"
*'''26 Days:''' Ellen Tigh resumes consciousness ("a couple of days" before [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).
*'''28 Days:''' Events of episode "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]".
*'''36 Days:''' [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]. Caprica Valerii is pregnant and suffering morning sickness. Events of episode "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

===[[Colonial Day]]===

*'''Day 46:''' Delegates selected for the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. [[Tom Zarek]] selected to represent [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]]. Roslin implores Adama to permit his participation. [[Valance]] prepares to smuggle a ceramic stealth gun into the ''[[Cloud Nine]]''. Zarek addresses the fleet from the prison ship [[Astral Queen]]. Gaius Baltar selected to represent [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Apollo and Starbuck inspect the [[Cloud Nine]].

*'''Day 47 - Morning:''' Colonial Day. Delegates arrive on Cloud Nine. Roslin addresses the Quorum. Baltar eyes [[Playa Palacios]]. Zarek moves to elect a vice president and is nominated by [[Marshall Bagott]]. Motion passes, chair to remain open 72 hours for nominations.

*'''Day 47 - Afternoon:''' Roslin asks [[Wallace Gray]] to run for the vice presidency. Zarek expounds on his reform agenda. Valence scuffles with Apollo and Starbuck and is jailed. Helo and Caprica Valerii arrive at a spaceport in the vicinity of [[Delphi]].

*'''Day 47 - Evening:''' Starbuck and Apollo interrogate Valence to no effect.

*'''Day 48 - Morning:''' Grey addresses the Quorum. [[Safiya Sanne]] changes [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]]'s vote to Zarek, bringing his total to 5 of 12.

*'''Day 48 - Afternoon:''' Zarek serves [[Ellen Tigh]] a drink and inquires after the whereabouts of Valence. Baltar interviewed by [[James McManus]]. Valence found dead. Tigh, Apollo and Starbuck consult with Roslin on security.

*'''Day 48 - Evening:''' Roslin travels to ''Cloud Nine'' and asks Grey to drop out of the race and recruits Baltar to replace him, interrupting his "exclusive" with Palacios. Apollo and Starbuck flirt in the bunk on ''[[Galactica]]''.

*'''Day 49 - Morning:''' Baltar elected Vice President, with Roslin casting the tie-breaking vote.

*'''Day 49 - Evening:''' Victory party for Baltar. Roslin dances with Adama, Ellen with Saul Tigh, Billy with Dualla, Starbuck with Apollo and Baltar.

*'''Day 49 - Night:''' Helo and Caprica Valerii infiltrate the spaceport. Helo discovers Valerii is a Cylon and flees.

''Note: Roslin states that the chair will remain open for nominations for 72 hours on the morning of Day 47, but the [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|next episode]] clearly takes place the day after the victory party, and is stated to take place on Day 50. Perhaps the Quorum moved to close the nomination period early after the nomination of a strong candidate.''

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]===
*'''Day 50 - Early Morning:''' Apollo and Adama spar. Baltar and Starbuck have sex. Caprica Valerii catches up with Helo at [[Delphi]], and he shoots her. ''Galactica'' Boomer contemplates suicide. [[Cottle]] examines Roslin and gives her "six months, at the outside".

*'''Day 50 - Morning:''' Starbuck and an (already) drunken Baltar exchange innuendos over the officer's card game.

*'''Day 50 - Afternoon:''' Roslin briefs Baltar on her economic agenda. [[Number Six|Six]] warns him that "it's not safe to remain on ''Galactica''". ''Galactica'' Boomer and Crashdown stumble upon [[Kobol]]. Helo holds Caprica Valerii at gunpoint. Apollo and Starbuck exchange blows.

*'''Day 50 - Evening:''' Roslin examines an orbital photograph of Kobol and has a vision of the [[City of the Gods]]. Adama decides to send an expedition, which Baltar demands to accompany. ''Galactica'' Boomer shoots herself on Baltar's advice. In private, Roslin unsuccessfully petitions Commander Adama to send the Cylon Raider after the [[Arrow of Apollo]] on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].

*'''Day 50 - Night:''' [[Battle of Kobol]] begins. Scout party ambushed by a [[Cylon Basestar]] at Kobol. Starbuck devises a plan to deliver a nuke to the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] using the captured [[Cylon Raider|Raider]] and [[Cylon Transponder]]. Roslin convinces her to purloin the Raider and take it to Caprica instead.

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]===
*'''Day 51 - Early Morning:''' Survivors of [[Raptor 1]] escape the wreck. Baltar passes out. Adama terminates Roslin's presidency. Apollo and Tigh plan an assault on ''[[Colonial One]]''. Adama dispatches the wounded Boomer to take out the basestar. Caprica Valerii leads Helo to [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]].

*'''Day 51 - Morning:''' Starbuck arrives at Caprica, retrieves the [[Arrow of Apollo]], kills a copy of [[Number Six|Six]] and meets up with Helo. ''Galactica's'' [[Marines|marines]] board ''[[Colonial One]]''. Apollo mutinies, Roslin stands down. Baltar has a vision of the shape of things to come. ''Galactica'' Boomer confronts other Valerii copies on the basestar. She returns from her mission and shoots Commander Adama.

==Season 2.0==
''Note: Season 2 dates are rough guesses, at best, and are complicated by the [[season two timeline discontinuity]]. Dates for the first half of the season are based off of the last dates given at the end of season one.

===[[Scattered]]===
*'''Day 51 - Morning:''' A [[Cylon Basestar]] ambushes the fleet, which jumps to an [[Emergency Jump Coordinates| emergency rendezvous point]]. ''Galactica'' jumps to wrong coordinates and is forced to backtrack. [[Battle of Kobol#Scattering of the Fleet|''Galactica'' holds off basestar]] and returns to bulk of the Fleet.

===[[Valley of Darkness]]===
*'''Day 51 - Morning:''' ''Galactica'' is partially disabled by a Cylon [[Virus|virus]] while a [[Cylon Centurion]] boarding party attempts to [[Battle of Kobol#Cylon Boarding|commandeer the ship]].

===[[Fragged]]===
*'''Day 51 - Afternoon:''' [[Crashdown]] is shot by [[Gaius Baltar]] on Kobol after threatening to shoot [[Cally]].

===[[Resistance]]===
*'''Day 52:''' Tigh interrogates Tyrol and imprisons him with [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)]].

*'''Day 53 - Morning:''' [[Cally]] blackmails Baltar into running his Cylon test on Tyrol. Baltar notes to Tigh that he should assume Roslin's duties; he invites Baltar to join her in the brig. ''[[Aturian]]'' stops refining Tylium in protest of Martial law. Apollo briefs pilots in the ready room. Dualla checks out his ass. On Caprica, Starbuck and Helo meet [[Samuel Anders]]'s [[Resistance (movement)|Resistance]].

*'''Day 53 - Afternoon:''' Tigh deploys troops to vessels refusing to supply ''Galactica''. The [[Gideon]] Massacre takes place. Roslin is chagrined. Apollo initiates his escape plan.

*'''Day 53 - Evening:''' Saul and Ellen Tigh argue and have sex. Baltar poisons Tyrol and interrogates Boomer. Starbuck and Helo arrive at the Resistance HQ with Anders.

*'''Day 54 - Morning:''' Apollo delivers briefing, orchestrates Roslin's escape. The deck gang begin construction of a new brig cell for [[Cylon agent|Cylon agents]].

*'''Day 54 - Afternoon:''' Apollo & co. disembark at the [[Cloud Nine]] and link up with [[Tom Zarek]]. Starbuck and Anders flirt.

*'''Day 54 - Evening:''' Commander Adama wakes up. Cally kills ''Galactica'' Boomer.

===[[The Farm]]===
*'''Day 61:''' - Laura Roslin & co. take refuge on ''[[Kimba Huta]]''. William Adama resumes command of ''Galactica''.

===[[Home, Part I]]===
*'''Day ?? - Morning:''' Kara Thrace's captured [[Cylon Heavy Raider|Heavy Raider]] jumps into orbit around Kobol. Tom Zarek attempts to have it shot down because it's not the same Raider that Thrace departed in. Thrace lands her Heavy Raider aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' and is reunited with President Roslin and Lee Adama. Lee learns that in addtion to Karl Agathon, Thrace brought back the Caprican copy of Sharon Valerii, whereupon Lee pulls a gun on Sharon. After defusing the situation with words, Roslin orders Valerii thrown out the airlock, but relents and has her thrown into the brig instead, after hearing both Thrace and Agathon's protest. Commander Adama promotes Captain [[George Birch]] to be the new ''Galactica'' CAG.

*'''Day ?? - Afternoon:''' Commander Adama holds a press conference regarding the escape of President Roslin from his custody and the ensuing martial law. Adama adjourns the press conference when the questions become increasingly pointed.

*'''Day ??+1 - Morning:''' Cpt. Birch on his first mission as CAG is responsible for an accident that nearly kills [[Kat]]. Zarek and his trusted lieutenant [[Meier]] plot to overthrow Roslin and take command of the fleet.

*'''Day ??+1 - Afternoon:''' Cpt. Birch oversees his second flight mishap as CAG when two ships he's supposed to be guiding collide with one another during a routine refueling operation.

*'''Day ??+2 - Morning:''' Roslin's party, made up of Thrace, Cpt. Adama, Elosha, Zarek, Meier, Agathon, Boomer, two Zarek red-shirts, two Roslin red-shirts and Rolsin herself land on Kobol. Using Valerii as their guide they set out in search of the [[Tomb of Athena]].

*'''Day ??+2 - Afternoon:''' The party is ambushed by Cylon Centurions after Elosha accidentally trips a "bouncing betty" land mine and it blows up in her face, killing her. The surviving party is saved when Valerii uses an RPG launcher to destroy the last remaining Centurion.

*'''Day ??+2 - Evening:''' Adama makes the decision to put the fleet back together after a long and heartfelt talk with [[Dee]].

===[[Home, Part II]]===
*'''Day ??:''' - [[Raptor 1]] lands on Kobol with [[William Adama]] and his contingent. [[Tomb of Athena]] found.
*'''Day ??:''' - Roslin reestablished as lawful President; martial law ends. Fleet reunification.

===[[Final Cut]]===
*'''Day ??''' [[D'anna Biers]] produces a documentary aboard the Galactica about the "[[Gideon massacre]]". It is a generally positive documentary broadcast to the fleet. Unknown to the fleet, it is also surveillance by the Cylons into the status of the Colonial fleet.

===[[Flight of the Phoenix]]===
*'''Day 84''' - Laura Roslin is given a few weeks, a month at the most to live. [[Cally]] is released from the brig; a welcome back party is thrown for her by the deck crew.
*'''Day ??''' - [[Chief Tyrol]] begins construction of the [[Blackbird]] prototype stealth fighter.
*'''Day ??''' - [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|''Galactica'' routs hundreds of Cylon fighters]] without a casualty while dispatching a [[Logic bomb]] from their ship computers.
*'''Day ??''' - The [[Blackbird]] prototype stealth fighter is completed by [[Chief Tyrol]] and a team of Galactica crewmembers. Lt. Thrace flies it on its first test flight, quickly proving its value as a stealth craft.

===[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]===
*'''Day ??''' - ''Galactica'' encounters battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. Admiral [[Helena Cain]] assumes fleet command.
*'''Day ??'''- [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] accidentally kills ''Pegasus'' Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne|Thorne]] and is arrested with [[Karl Agathon|Helo]].
*'''Day ??''' - A standoff between the two battlestars begins over the treatment of the arrested ''Galactica'' crew.

==Season two timeline discontinuity==
:''Main article: [[Season two timeline discontinuity]]''
Based on various evidence, the end of "Resistance" can be very firmly dated to Day 54. This puts Cally's release at Day 84, and in turn means that as of "Flight of the Phoenix", Roslin was not expected to live past day 114. Corroborating this, Sharon Valerii does not appear visibly pregnant in "Pegasus".

However, in the following episode, Admiral Cain states offhandedly that it has been about six months since the fall of the colonies. This is further corroborated in "Epiphanies", which we learn takes place 189 days after the holocaust (a full 75 days longer than Roslin's most favorable prognosis). Additionally, Valerii now appears to be well into her second trimester, and elections have been put off by 75 days from their first-season projections.

There is apparently no way to reconcile this discrepancy. Even under the most liberal assumptions, the first half of the second season timeline cannot accommodate more than about three additional days.

Consequently, there is a 75-day discontinuity between the fist and second halves of season two. The second half of the season is dated from the firm dates given in "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and "Epiphanies", but be aware that dates throughout the remainder of season 2 are likely to contradict those from earlier in the series.

==Season 2.5==
===[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]===
*'''Day ~175''' - The standoff between the two battlestars ends in an uneasy truce, and a tense summit aboard Colonial One, after Lt. Thrace returns from an unauthorized surveillance mission to the Cylon fleet, where she gains critical evidence on a Cylon ship. Dr. Baltar is able to determine from [[Gina]] that this is the [[Resurrection Ship]] that cylons need to resurrect so far from the Cylon homeworld.

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]===
*'''Day ~177''' - The Battlestars Galactica and Pegasus together engage the Cylon fleet in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]], where they achieve an overwhelming victory with relatively light casualties, destroying not only the Resurrection Ship, but at least one other Cylon base star. The Blackbird is destroyed in the battle, although Lee Adama manages to eject successfully. At least one Raptor is also lost in the battle. Admiral Cain is killed by Gina, after Baltar helps her escape captivity. He then proceeds to hide her in the fleet.

===[[Epiphanies]]===
*'''Day 189''' - President Roslin near death; orders death of Cylon fetus. A [[Demand Peace|Cylon peace movement]] begins to pose as a threat to [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]. The Cylon fetus is eventually spared, when Dr. Baltar determines how to use Cylon fetal stem cells to treat Roslin's cancer. Dr. Baltar smuggles the nuclear weapon that he was provided with for work on his Cylon detector to the Cylon peace movement aboard Cloud Nine.

===[[Black Market]]===
*'''Day ???''' - Commander Fisk is murdered aboard the Battlestar Pegasus. Lee Adama begins an investigation into the matter.
*'''Day ???''' - Lee Adama kills [[Phelan]], leader of the [[Black market (organization)|Black Market]] crime syndicate.
*'''Day ???''' - Lee Adama is debriefed on the entire incident regarding the murder of Fisk and the Black Market.

===[[Scar]]===
*'''Day ???''' - After 29 days in an asteroid field (putting us at Day 218 or later), the ''[[Majahual|Majahual's]]'' mining operation has produced enough raw materials for the construction of two new Viper squadrons using the fabrication facilities aboard the [[Pegasus (RDM)|Battlestar ''Pegasus'']]. Attacks on the operation continue by the ace Cylon raider known as [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]], making it the source of a heated competition between Lt. Katraine and Cpt. Thrace.

===[[Sacrifice]]===
*'''c. Day 210''' - Three men and a woman named [[Sesha Abinell]] lay siege to bar onboard [[Cloud 9]], taking the guests hostage, and sealing the area off from the rest of the ship. Abinell's husband was killed aboard the ''[[Greenleaf]]'' when the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] attacked it ten weeks ago, and she decides to exact vengeance. Lee Adama is wounded as a result of a failed rescue attempt by [[Kara Thrace]]

''Backdated from "The Captain's Hand" and "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"''

===[[The Captain's Hand]]===
*'''c. Day 236''' - [[Kara Thrace]] assigned to ''Pegasus'' as flight instructor.
*'''Day ??''' - Almost one month after the events of "Sacrifice", [[Lee Adama]] has been promoted to Major and temporarily assigned to ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. [[Rya Kibby]] arrives on ''Galactica'' seeking a clandestine abortion from Dr. [[Cottle]] and requests asylum.
*'''c. Day 240''' - ''Pegasus'' Commander [[Barry Garner]] dies during the [[Battle of the Binary Star System]]. Adama is promoted to Commander and given command of ''Pegasus'', with Thrace replacing him as CAG of ''Galactica''. In response to heavy lobbying from Gemenon delegate [[Sarah Porter]] over the Kibby incident, Roslin places a moratorium on abortion. In protest, Vice President Gaius Baltar announces his candidacy for president in the upcoming election.
''Backdated from "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I".''

===[[Downloaded]]===
*'''Day 270 (Zero Hour + 9 months)''' - [[Hera]] born. This episode claims that the previous episode "[[Resistance]]" took place "10 weeks before" Day 270. However, 10x7 = 70 and 270 - 70 = 200, this would put Cally's shooting of ''Galactica''-Boomer ''after'' "[[Epiphanies]]" which was stated to take place on Day 189. Even a very liberal estimate could not possibly place "Resistance" more than a week or two after "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II", when it was stated on screen that it was Day 51. This reference to "10 weeks" is a mistake, which will be corrected in the DVD and international releases of "Downloaded".

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]===
*'''c. Day 256''' - [[Galen Tyrol]] begins a series of recurring suicidal nightmares.
*'''c. Day 269''' - Presidential debates begin. [[Kara Thrace]], [[Felix Gaeta]] and [[Lee Adama]] brief pilots on Caprica SAR mission on ''Pegasus''. Tyrol attacks [[Cally]] after being woken from a nightmare.
*'''c. Day 270''' - Media reports on first debates. SAR team departs; [[Margaret Edmonson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]] and crew accidentally discover a habitable planet and return to [[the Fleet]]. Tyrol begins counseling with Brother [[Cavil]].
*'''c. Day 280''' - Final presidential debate. SAR team arrives at Caprica and meets with [[Samuel Anders]]'s [[Resistance (movement)|Resistance]].
*'''c. Day 283''' - Polls open (projected).
''Tom Zarek states that the fleet has been "cooped up in metal boxes for nine months" the morning after the debates. This date is roughly taken as Day 270, with an implied give-or-take of a couple weeks. The surrounding events noted above can, however, be placed relative to this point with a good degree of certainty based on episode dialogue.''

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]===
*'''Day 281''' - Thrace's SAR team and Anders' resistance are pinned down by a Cylon sneak attack. They are under siege for 18 hours, the next morning they awake to find the Cylons have completely abandoned Caprica.
*'''Day 282''' - The SAR mission returns to Galactica, Cavil is discovered to be a Cylon when a second copy steps off a Raptor.
*'''Day 283''' - The polls open, Baltar wins. Tory Foster conspires with Col. Tigh and Dualla to rig the vote results to keep Roslin in power. Their plan is found out by Lt. Gaeta and Admiral Adama convinces Roslin to let the people's will prevail and let Baltar become president.
*'''Day 284''' - Baltar is inaugurated President. A distraught and emotionally bankrupt [[Gina]] detonates the nuclear warhead given to her by Baltar and destroys ''Cloud 9'' and several other near-by ships.
*'''c. Day 285''' - Adama visits President Baltar aboard ''Colonial One'' and questions him about the ''Cloud 9'' disaster. A defiant Baltar rebukes all his questions and accusations.
*'''Between c. Day 285 and 660''' - The fleet settles on [[New Caprica]]. Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders marry. Galen Tyrol and Cally marry, Cally becomes pregnant, Tyrol becomes a union head. Dualla transfers to ''Pegasus''. Most of ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' crews retire from active military duty. Dualla becomes Lee Adama's Tactical Officer on ''Pegasus''. Felix Gaeta retires from military duty and becomes President Baltar's aide, Karl Agathon replaces him in the CIC. Former President Laura Roslin becomes a school teacher on New Caprica, Maya, Hera's adoptive mother, is her teacher's assistant. Lee Adama and Kara Thrace have fallen out of favour with one another, while Thrace and Col. Tigh appear to have mended fences.
*'''c. Day 660''' - Admiral Adama discharges Col. Tigh from his duties aboard ''Galactica''. Tyrol and Cally organize a general labor strike in protest of Baltar's poor leadership as President. Cylon forces occupy New Caprica.

==Future Events==
*'''<s>Day 86 + 1 month (c. Day 116):''' Roslin's maximum life expectancy as of Day 86 ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])</s>
*'''<s>Day 54 + 3 months (c. Day 144):''' [[Samuel Anders]]'s [[Resistance (movement)|Resistance]]'s anti-radiation med supply projected to run out ("[[Resistance]]").</s>
**Anders' group survives in "[[Downloaded]]", c. Day 270. They could have simply found more stockpiles of anti-radiation meds in the intervening time period.
***Radation from nukes drop at an exponential rate. It's possible that measured background radiation dropped enough so the anti-radiation meds were no longer needed.
*<s>'''Day 12 + 7 Months (c. Day 222):''' Elections due for President of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] ([[Bastille Day]]).</s>
**<s>As of "[[Downloaded]]", c. Day 270, the elections are near but have not yet arrived.</s>
***The elections come and go. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] is elected President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]] and [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|Part II]]).
*'''<s>Day 50 + 6 Months (c. Day 230):''' Roslin's maximum life expectancy as of Day 50 ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).</s>
**<s>Roslin promised to get the fleet to [[Earth]] before her death '''(c. Day 230)'''</s> ([[Fragged]]).
***As of Day 660 Roslin is still alive and the fleet has not made it to Earth yet ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*'''<s>Day 24 + 9 Months (c. Day 294):''' [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|"Caprica" Sharon Valerii]]'s daughter born. (see [[#Notes|Notes]] below)</s>
**[[Hera]], daughter of [[Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|"Caprica" Sharon Valerii]] was born premature c. Day 270 ([[Downloaded]]).
*'''Day 36 + 3 years (c. Day 1131):''' Fleet runs out of [[tylium]] fuel that was resupplied from the Cylon asteroid mine; assuming that no other sources have been found before this date. ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])
*<s>'''Day 260 (approx) + 18 years (c. Day 6,830)''' Time at which, if the [[Survivor count]] keeps up its current rate of decline and never increases, the human race will simply go extinct, according to Baltar's estimate in "[[The Captain's Hand]]".</s>
** Due to the destruction of ''[[Cloud 9]]'' and surrounding ships in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", this figure has been drastically altered.

== Notes ==

*The above day listings use a simplistic calendar system with 30 day months and no leap years. The colonial calendar may be more sophisticated.
*<s>The date of Valerii and Agathon's child is speculated, assuming that the [[Cylon agent]]s share the same gestation period that humans do, and that the birth of their hybrid daughter is not [[Wikipedia:premature birth|premature]].</s>
**Date of Hera's birth is now confirmed at Day 270.
*Later episodes in "Season 2.5" such as "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and "Epiphanies" state clearly that "Pegasus" and the episodes immediately following it take place six months after the Cylon Attack. Ron D. Moore did state that it took Tyrol "weeks" to construct the Blackbird and a large amount of time passes in this episode as a result. ''BattlestarWiki'' originally assumed this meant at most 2-4 weeks. However, the only plausible way that Pegasus and Resurrection Ship, Part I can take place six months after the attack is if "Flight of the Phoenix" actually lasted''' three months '''from beginning to end. Roslin was told in this episode that her cancer had accelerated, and she had only one month to live. As Cally's "welcome back" party happened earlier in the episode, when she was released from the brig around Day 86, a considerable period of time (several weeks at least) pass between these two scenes.

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Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad

2006-04-24T03:21:43Z

Kuralyov: /* Opposed */

== Citation Consistency ==

"Zoic" is a name that sounds like what Shaggy from "Scooby Doo" would make when surprised, I think.

Despite being the special effects company for the series, I wonder how much of their information still holds weight. I noticed that Peter gave neither negative or positive weight to this source. As we go through pages, two issues are going to crop up, of which one may need to move to the Standards page.

* Consistent and useful '''visual''' separation and identification of TOS and RDM information and characters. I find the mingling of TOS and RDM data in the same article confusing and lengthens an article unnecessarily. More germane to this project, it will also keep RDM and TOS stats from cohabitating and confusing the citation process.
* We need to cite official sources for TOS information on the project page, keeping in mind this wiki is for both series. There are surely more TOS fan sites than RDM, and things like games, fan fiction and the like over the years have surely diluted what is official and not.
* The level of detail or a standard of detail on technical pages needs some kind of governor. At which point is something being reasonable in description (such as ''Galactica's'' rail guns) or is embellishment or technobabble that just gives fan service (like "''Galactica'' uses a BFG-3244 Rail Gun with Strapless Attachment")? I'd be more strict on this info than any other since tech is tech and such "facts" should not be different from what is seen on screen.

I think color coding article titles to identify TOS and RDM pages (rather than using "TOS" and "RDM") may be better on the eye. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:05, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

:I intended Zoic to fall under point 3, for "crew" - ie, of roughly the same reliability as that interview where Lorena Gale talked about how Elosha used to do "a lot of drugs". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:21, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

::I believe the actual word is spelled thus: ZOIKS! Caps are not optional. ;) --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:21, 10 October 2005 (EDT)

==Request for name change==

I am uncomfortable with the use of the term "Jihad". I would rather we use the term "Crusade", or perhaps "Inquisition"; I think "Inquisition" is best (i.e. Spanish Inquisition [no one suspects the Inquisition!] b/c it's rooting out unsourced information). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13 October, 2005

:Striving for accuracy certainly has better overtones than any use of "crusade", and "inquisition" has draconian connotations. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:11, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:: I, uh, don't get Peter's post. Does that means he agrees or doesn't? Anyway, I'm fine with Jihad because it implies a religeous devotion and a fanaticism that I think could be, sarcastically, applied to the purpose of this project. However, I'm also fine with Inquisition because it implies a religeous devotion and a fanaticism that I think... You can see where I'm going with this, no? Also, the Spanish Inquisition sketch is my favorite Monty Python sketch in the history of Monty Python's being viewed by me. And I'd love for my comments on changing citation errors (if I ever see any, because I'm bad at seeing them) to be "Our chief weapon is Fear. Fear and surprise. Our TWO chief weapons are fear, surprise and a fanatical devotion to citation. Ah. Our THREE chief weapons are: Fear, surprise, a--" You get the idea.

:: I find it interesting that the name and the two proposed substitutes are all tied to religeon? We could have a Citation Rampage. Or a Citation Mosh Pit. Heh. Maybe we should be the Ministry of Citation. I always liked ministries. We would then address each other as "Minister Day" and "Minister Farago", etc. Or maybe one of you can come up with a more [[Wikipedia:Nineteen Eighty-Four|Orwellian]] name. That would be cool. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:52, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::To clarify: I like Citation Jihad. I came up with it, after all... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:08, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: "Jihad", in this context, does indeed present - shall we say - disconcerting ramifications for those of us who are not Christian. While humurous to most of us (I hate to splash cold water) the casual use of such a revered term amongst a potential audience of Islamic adherrants is a wee bit less than delicate... especially in light of the suspicion many perfectly native or naturalized citizens of Mid-Eastern descent faced immediately subsequent to 9/11... and the suspicion they currently face every time they reenter the U.S.
:::: While rather fascinating that we should find ourselves encountering a problem delt with in more artfull ways in our favorite television program, it is nevertheless significant (dare I say important) that we handle this question of naming with a sense of diplomacy. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:12, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
:::::I was unsettled--albeit briefly--with the name initially, but I'm not into political correctness. "Jihad" is correct in definition. Currently, however, some take the word with the same emotional charge as Muslims would hear "Crusade," since, essentially in the context of past conflicts between Christians and Muslins at war, both signify a religious purge. In any case, the term sites a religious note that might sour some.

:::::But before you knock Peter for his choice, consider our subject matter: "Battlestar Galactica" is a morality play in the tradition of the original Star Trek series, which addresses in allegory the Muslim/Judeo-Christian issue present through current terrorism against the West as well as the Israel/Palestine conflict by using the Humano-Cylon/Human and God/Lords of Kobol issue. If nothing else, the use of the term "Jihad" in its purest form is actually appropriate and striking so for this Wiki. Don't let the Al Qaeda terrorists or other extremists make you afraid of a word when in fact, it is THEY that slur it from its true meaning. Peter has always shown a concise use of words that has little to no ambiguity--I should know since he frequently slices my edits to their essence when I use too many words. I'll back up Peter on this one. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:43, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::Taking these points into account, I would greatly prefer "Inquisition" over "Jihad" or "Crusade". -- Ricimer, October 14, 2005

:::::::Good point. And very nicely said I might add. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 13:10, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::: I hope you don't mind, Watcher, I indented your previous post one more. Anyway, I like Johad fine. I actually find it kind of refreshing to use it for something that's ''not'' violent. I'm not Muslim, so I can't speak to that. However, as an American I don't feel, I dunno, threatened by the name, or anything. When I first saw it, it gave me pause, but that pause was me thinking, "Whew. Someone's probably gonna throw a fit about that one." --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:13, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::::Well I'm sorry but I do and I have. What's the consensus on this? --Ricimer, October 13, 2005

::::::::::Not a problem Day. I think there might have been an unintentional slip during one of the edits (notice the time/date stamps) but I seem to constantly screw this detail up anyway. Feel free. I may read as insufferably serious but I assure you that's not the case. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 16:50, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::::::: Good deal, Watcher. Anyway... I was about to make a post about not wanting anyone to feel threatened by this project, but I find I have to revise that. I don't want ''members'' of the project to feel threatened by the name. I hope people who don't cite sources are scared witless of us. ;) Anyway, as much as I like using Jihad, I tend to like to not offend reasonable people, so I'd be okay with a change, I guess. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:21, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::::::: A note on nesting - if Watcher was replying to Spencerian, not Ricimer, it should be indented to the level of Spencerian's comment + 1, not Ricimer's + 1. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:42, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::::::::: Ah. Good to know. I shall endeavour to remember this. --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:47, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

===Votes===
We need to come to some kind of consensus, I think. So, first, is to change or not change. If we decide to change, then we can quibble over what to change to. Place your name under the appropriate heading.

====No Change====
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:14, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# --Not afraid of words when used properly. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:56, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# --Name doesn't bother me. [[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:46, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:51, 24 October 2005 (EDT)
# --Ditto Spencerian. Let's not fear words when used properly. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:28, 27 October 2005 (EDT)

====Change====
# Reluctantly --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 06:30, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# Wholeheartedly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 09:46, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# Normally I don't care about words, but I have to admit, that in today's world, some words have become too negatively charged. --[[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 14:30, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
# Wholeheartedly --[[User:Lone Odessan|Lone Odessan]] 19:36, 23 October 2005 (EDT)
== BSG: The Magazine ==

I saw [http://www.titanmagazines.com/titanmag/app;jsessionid=57DACB1E3C47F38A718593747C30F921?service=direct/1/HomeUS/$NavigationBar.$DirectLink$2&sp=S8 this] on the news stand at Fry's and thought it was worth picking up an issue to see what was in it. I've so far read a whole of two pages, so I don't know much about it, except that it has an article on Pyramid that was interesting. Does anyone else know anything about this magazine? How reliable is it? I'm going to edit the Pyramid article with some things that are revealed about the rules. How should I cite this, exactly? I'm gonna go with page numbers and title for now. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:24, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
:Given that we haven't had much about the RDM show in print, I'd carefully use it to compare to the canonical stuff we have. If things are consistent, I'd say it's a reliable source since I strongly suspect that USA/Universal may have to sign off on its content. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:58, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
::I say we put it on level 4, (sci-fi and skyone websites), provisionally. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:41, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::: Correction. The title is ''Battlestar Galactica, the Official Magazine'' even thought the words are not in that order on the cover. And, I must say, the thing was really clumsily edited. There are missing periods, 'and' for 'a', 'their' for 'they're', tense mixing, Obvious typos. Yech. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:04, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

==Citation Format==
Also, we should choose a citation format and stick with it. Opinions? MLA, APA, Chicago? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:41, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
:Damn it, Peter. I knew you were a student. You're going to force me to dig up a book or stand with the kids at the college bookstore, aren't you? :) [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:50, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
:: Are you kidding? I just graduated and never once bought a book on citation. All that can be [http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/legacylib/mlahcc.html found] [http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/workshop/citmla.htm on] [[Wikipedia:APA style|the]] [http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/research/r_mla.html net]. I've only ever used MLA style before, however, I'd be willing, given the nature of web pages, to use something that just had footnotes with numbering. There was some tool Wikipedia has for this that I read about, but I don't remember much about it except that it seemed cool. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:06, 14 October 2005 (EDT)
:::I would find MLA with numbered footnotes ideal. For "personal communication", we would do well to follow [[User:MASON|MASON]]'s example of including them in subpages, such as [[Mercury class battlestar/Sources]] (That should be linked to from the main article text, however.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:16, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: Joe also mentioned possibly that we should scan things. What kinds of things? And, I assume those should go on a Sources page, too, neh? I think for whatever's on the sources page, we could do the foot note like this: (3) Personal communication (''or whatever relevant info''). See ''link to Sources page''. I also think Sources pages should have a link back. WHat do y'all think? --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:25, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::I Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:14, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::By scans, I mean scans of publication articles and so forth. Scans should not be of the whole article but a snippet of the applicable text that was cited (enough to qualify as fair use). Also, as for linking the sources subpage, I created a template, {{tl|source}} that can be placed next to the applicable information. The template automatically links to the Source subpage. (Format: Article title/Sources.) Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:16, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::: How does that work, then, Joe? The syntax, I mean? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:29, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

==Character Ages==
Character ages across the site appear to be based on the age of the actors who play them. This would normally be reasonable, but the Timeline of BSG does not match the progress of time in the real world - the characters have aged at most three and a half months in the same time that their actors have aged two years. Since we can't infer ages more accurately than a casual visitor could be glancing at a character photograph, I would rather this information simply not be included. Opinions? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:45, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

: I concur. --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:57, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

: Another thought: Ages are hard to pin down... I mean, we might learn that it is someones XXth birthday in some future episode. Wonderful. However, it's somewhat meaningless. An "Age" attribute in the template needs to be "as of" some date. Right now we use the Holocost as that date, but we're no longer exactly certain how far ago that was. So, if it's Cally's, say, 25th or whatever birthday in the episode after next... how old was she at the Holocost? 24, or so, I guess, but you see my point? I think the best solution, and perhaps this should be brought up on the characters project page, too, is to make the "Age" attribute on the template hide-able and then blank everyone's age out unless we know explicitly a number. I also think we should say it thusly: Age: 23 (as of [[Scattered]]) --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:50, 27 October 2005 (EDT)

==Railguns==
From the ''Official Magazine'' issue #1, p. 60: "Every Battlestar class warship has 24 primary railgun turrets as well as over 500 point defense turrets at its disposal." I don't have access to a scanner to prove that it says that, so you'll have to take my word on it. I'm not saying this is indisputable proof, but that it's maybe more than fanon, anyway. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:46, 18 October 2005 (EDT)
:The magazine is wrong. Based on on-screen evidence, the large turrets on ''Galactica'' cannot be [[railgun]]s unless we drastically redefine the very idea. This certainly trumps throwaway technobabble in a fan magazine. IMO, the only thing that should give us pause is if a character on the show specifically refers to them as railguns, which hasn't happened yet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:51, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Okay. I'll buy that. I bet that what's actually going on here is that someone somewhere who makes these desicions doesn't, actually, know what the heck they're talking about. I mean... What're we to do if someone busts out a ray gun and says, "This shoots a red lazer!" and then, *zap*, it's green? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:27, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

::: Oops. Ya did it now. Let's just hope TNS' writers don't become overwhelmed by the details and go the way of Space 1999. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:24, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

==Twelve Lords of Kobol==
Ricimer stated in his edit summary: "It has been stated numerous times that there are 12 Lords of Kobol".

This statement is true if by "numerous times" you mean "never". I've been over all the episode transcripts and found nothing. On this page, of all places, you should provide a source before deleting a comment. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:54, 11 November 2005 (EST)

==Magazine Content==
Ltcrashdown, thank you for your informative additions to [[Saul Tigh]] and other articles. However, for them to stand, we need to do two things:
#Make certain that we are ''not'' quoting the magazine word-for-word, or that where we feel compelled to do so, we set the text off and cite it directly.
#In general, any information from the magazine needs to be cited as well. To do this, we need to know some of the publication information, including:
#*The publication's name
#*The article's author
#*The article's title
#*Date and issue number
#*Pages referenced
Thanks for helping to keep Battlestar Wiki accurate. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:50, 1 February 2006 (EST)

:Where do I place this information in the area where I quote it in Tigh's article? --Ltcrashdown 23:05, 1 February 2006 (EST)

::I will be happy to show you the proper format if you can provide the above information. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:15, 1 February 2006 (EST)

:::Here is everything I referenced from the Magazine in the articles I altered. --Ltcrashdown 23:25, 1 February 2006 (EST)
:::Publication: Battlestar Gallactica the Official Magazine #3
:::Feb/Mar 2006
:::The Tigh info, Rising Star refence to Picon, and Battlestar Athena came from the article named 'Cylon Intelligence Report: Personnel File: Saul Tigh, Page 62'
:::The Alert Fighters and Colonial Day information came from the article named 'Cylon Intelligence Report: Galactica Glossary page 60'
:::The Colors for the Colonies comes from 'Encyclopedia Galactica pages 50-55'. I also compared it to information in Battlestar Galactica The Official Companion.
:::There were no authors listed for any of the articles.

::::Can you post quotes here containing the relevant details? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:29, 1 February 2006 (EST)

:::::I am familiar with the magazine, and feel that we should *provisionally* allow information from the "encyclopedia" stuff at the end, but I also *suspect* that they make that stuff up without input from RDM. I don't know. It is the "Official" magazine. Should be on the same level as info from Scifi.com (which has been known to be wrong, etc.) HOWEVER, things that are straightfoward "interviews" which are a simple transcript of an interview; hard to argue that (like when actors reveal insights about their character based on stuff from the series bible we didn't know before). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:35, 1 February 2006 (EST)

::::::Actually, I just saw that the magazine claims that Colonial Day is a biannual holiday; First, where would they get that idea? Second, Ron D. Moore ''stated'' in his blog that it is "not a biannual holiday; it's an annual holiday held every year". I wonder why someone got the idea to ask that. Etc. So it's now known to be not entirely accurate. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:40, 1 February 2006 (EST)

Okay, I'll try to post everything I found word-for-word. --Ltcrashdown 23:43, 1 February 2006 (EST)

'Colony: Aerelon' is a listing under the personnel file indicating his planet of origin.

Tigh's history specificaly says, 'Saul Tigh entered the fleet as a deckhand but rose through the ranks and was a CPO (Chief Petty Officer) by the time the First Cylon War broke out.' Ltaer it reads, 'Tigh joined the Colonial Officer Candidate School and was reassigned as a Viper pilot, something he excelled in, earning a string of medals in his post aboard the Battlestar Athena.' This is the only refence to the Battlestar Athena.

Tigh's post-War history is given with 'Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service. Saul Tigh was straightening his life out when he met his wife Ellen, who he courted and married within two months. Ellen did not take well to military life, and her repeated infidelities drove him back to drink. Ellen and Saul separated shortly before the Cylon attack.'

The Rising Star info was taken from later in teh article with the sentence, 'Three weeks after the Cylon attack Tigh's wife was discovered on the Rising Star, a carrier from Picon.'

The definitions are:
'Colonial Day - An biannual holiday which celebrates the signing of the Articles of Colonization.'
'Alert Fighters - A rotating group of Colonial Vipers which are constantly ready for immediate launch. Their function is to act as support for the Combat Air Patrol.

The colonial colors are just images, so there's nothing to type, but it corresponds with the same colors in the Official Battlestar Companion.

:Excellent, thank you.

:The MLA citation format for a magazine article with no author is as follows:

::"Title of Article." Title of Magazine. Date: Pages.

:So, to use the Saul Tigh article as an example:

::"Cylon Intelligence Report: Personnel File: Saul Tigh." Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine. Feb./Mar. 2006: 62.

:Introduce a footnote in the main body text using the <nowiki>{{note}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{note_label}}</nowiki> tags, and place the corresponding citation in a <nowiki>==Sources==</nowiki> header after <nowiki>#{{ref}}</nowiki> and/or <nowiki>{{ref_label}}</nowiki> as appropriate. I will restore your edits to the Saul Tigh article and cite them, to give you an idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:00, 2 February 2006 (EST)

::You should also restore the 'Twelve Colonies' changes since all i did there was add Saul to the Aerelon natives and correctly match the Colors with their colonies. --Ltcrashdown 00:02, 2 February 2006 (EST)

::::Maybe he was busted down from CPO during the second year of the war. Or maybe as a Chief Petty Officer, he once served as a Gunner's Mate (though this is a bit of a stretch, I admit). --Ltcrashdown 00:22, 2 February 2006 (EST)

:::This information, however, is contradicted by the deleted scenes from "Valley of Darkness" where Tigh says that in the second year of the War, he was a "Petty Officer...gunner's mate" and not ''already'' a Chief Petty Officer when the war broke out.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:14, 2 February 2006 (EST)

:::::"Let's cut through it, shall we?" The magazine is obviously compiled by people who are worse fanboys than ''we'' are, and lack our zeal for accuracy. I mean, if they can't even spell "Gemenon" properly, I'm not really inclined to give them much credence. Their information should be taken with a very large grain of salt, when we take it at all. Frankly, I'm a little worried they're going to start using ''us'' as a source.

:::::(Dear lord, I'm using sci-fi quotes out of context and Ricimer's talking in a civil tone of voice. It's like we've ''merged''.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:30, 2 February 2006 (EST)

Realize that it my ''business'' to know (of course you know, etc etc). Enough Batman-villian-esque theatrics. ***I only have the first issue, and need to read the other issues. Frankly, it's a combination of *REEALLY* good and really *BAD* material. Basically, they've got 5 or so articles that are worthwhile; but they're exclusive, plus they also give out concept art unavailble elsewhere. Long story short, *I would pay money for the few good articles in it*, but the problem is they want to "pad out" the magazine to get a certain length (and I'm going, "I would pay the same amount of money if you didn't pad it, because the other stuff doesn't add much") I mean, the first one has this *really annoying* '''LITERALLY''' Fanfic letter "from Starbuck" describing an air-combat manuever she pulled off in a Viper (in an article about Vipers). Now, let me remind everyone: ***It's a good magazine and has many good articles. It's just that some of the articles are obviously "filler". Thus, as I said, apart from the flat-out Interviews with cast members or articles written by like David Eick, Garry Hurtzel, production team members, etc. should be held under great critical skepticism. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:45, 2 February 2006 (EST)

: This whole thread has been a great read. Very interesting. I have the first issue of this magazine. I sourced it for the [[Pyramid (RDM)]] article some. I remember thinking mostly as you do, Ricimer: Some great stuff, the rest ''horrid''. They're good for interviews, artwork and not much else. The first issue had an interesting thing at the end that seems to be a synopsis of an interview (if I remmeber right) with the head costume person, which I keep meaning to reread and use to add some real-life info to [[Uniform]]. I've also been looking for the other issues in the place where I got the first one, but I can't find it. I a little wary of subscribing to the thing... It just seems like there's a line being crossed there. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:06, 2 February 2006 (EST)

==To Do==
*Deprecate citation templates in favor of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php#_ref-NYT_1 <ref> tags]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:44, 2 February 2006 (EST)

==BSG Books==

There was recently a novelization for the battlestar galactica mini-series. I was going to get a copy and add information from it to the wikipedia. Does anyone else think this should be done, assuming the novelization yields any new details (i.e. ships, pilots, etc.) --Ltcrashdown 00:14, 4 February 2006 (EST)

: Its come up before. That's where, I think, we got the name Natasi for one of [[Number Six]]'s copies. We're kind of wary of it, but I think there's further discussion on Six's Talk page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:51, 4 February 2006 (EST)

::I'm going to post my point by point analysis of it in a matter of hours. It is, on the whole, quite poorly written, and I don't think he had any official stuff to go on, just making it up. Regardless, per "Memory Alpha" template, it deserves it's own page which I will comment more on, but we should not base beliefs on it. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:57, 4 February 2006 (EST)

== Sources namespace ==

Just to let everyone know, Sources have their own namespace (i.e. [[Sources:Pegasus (RDM)]]). This avoids having to use the subpage suggestion I had earlier proposed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:11, 9 April 2006 (CDT)

==Koenigrules / Hollywood North Report==
"Koenigrules" (KR) is the alias of Jim Iaccino, a popular reporter of BSG spoilers, whose reports are often cited and reposted by other sources. [http://lvpodcasts.autopodcaster.com/download.php?filename=Subject_2_Discussion_04_11_2006.mp3/Subject_2_Discussion_04_11_2006.mp3 Recent comments] made on the "[http://www.subject2discussion.com/ Subject 2 Discussion]" segment of the "[http://www.lvrocks.com/ LV Rocks]" radio program (transcribed at [[Sources:Precipice]]) raised the possibility that KR is merely re-reporting publically available information, and does not appear to be a credible primary source.

[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] investigated this possibility, and posted his findings to [[Talk:Precipice#Question about Koenigrules]]. [[User:Peter Farago|I]] raised the possibility of instating a policy against citing KR's reports as credible sources on Battlestar Wiki, which was seconded by [[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]].

Consequently, I am opening a formal vote here on the matter. Please review [[Sources:Precipice]], its putative [http://www.nowcasting.com/sides/Episodic/BATTLESTAR%20GALACTICA/301%20Occupation/Selloi_Dedona_4pgs.pdf source material], and The Merovingian's comments on [[Talk:Precipice#Question about Koenigrules]] prior to casting your vote, and feel free to raise any questions below. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:18, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

'''Update:''' Koenigrules has responded to a number of our concerns via e-mail. You can read my correspondence with him at [[Sources:Correspondence with Jim Iaccino]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:36, 23 April 2006 (CDT)

===In favor of a policy against citing KR as a primary source===
#<del>[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:36, 19 April 2006 (CDT) - I feel like this guy betrayed us. And it's getting worse; 4-5 news sites report things he says as fact; he is not helping at all. Dogger said: "''He often fails to differentiate what he is reporting from his own speculation, an oversight compounded by the fact that his speculation is hampered by a lack of attention to detail.''"-->He put that more clearly than I could. Way to go Dogger. :)</del>
#[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:11, 20 April 2006 (CDT) If he originates nothing, we lose nothing by not citing him.
#[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:34, 20 April 2006 (CDT) - We do NOT claim to be a primary source here, and everything that is stated as fact should be citable elsewhere. Our sources are therefore our foundation, so they should be held to a high standard.
#[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:30, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
#[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:21, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
#[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 03:16, 21 April 2006 (CDT) I'm against the publication of anything except the facts.
# [[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]] 17:12, 21 April 2006 (CDT) This is site is a reference, it would be misleading to publish anything other than citable information.
#[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 17:15, 21 April 2006 (CDT) I must concur. Too much flotsam.
#[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 20:38, 21 April 2006 (CDT) <del>I've never heard KR 'reveal' anything that I haven't already seen from another source. I have always seen him as just somebody who reads the same things I read and then repeats them in another venue, but with an extra helping of certainty.</del> He often fails to differentiate what he is reporting from his own speculation, an oversight compounded by the fact that his speculation is hampered by a lack of attention to detail. <del>Perhaps what he does might have some value as a 'digest' of what is being talked about, but I don't see why anyone but the most naive listener would consider him as a primary source.</del>
:::I have struck out parts of my comments that seem to have been proven wrong by some of the history presented in the thread on Skiffy. However, I cannot in good conscience change my vote because of the simple fact that I don't think that anyone claiming an anonymous source should really be considered a primary source, even if that source is genuine. Perhaps 'blacklist' is the wrong word. I simply see this as a test case for what is the appropriate kind of evidence that should be cited as authoritative. Singling out KR is probably unfair, but that doesn't change what I honestly think to be not an appropriate primary source for a wiki. If there were a vote to have a policy against citing any anonymous source as a primary source, then I would be in favour of that too. I consider this vote to be just an example of what I think should be an overall principle. For example, if KR were to name his source, then I don't see any reason not to consider citing that information. The problem I have is not with KR's honesty in particular -- it's with the idea of citing a source without giving the reader the benefit of evaluating its reliability, and that includes anonymity as well as the mixing of facts with speculation.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 19:36, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
#[[User:Gouge|Frankie Gouge]] 02:20, 22 April 2006 (EDT) Credibility is too hard to earn to risk needlessly. Plenty of other sites to get speculative spoilers.
#[[User:Bowersj8|Bowersj8]] 14:31, 22 April 2006 (EDT)

===Opposed===
#[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:21, 23 April 2006 (CDT)

===Abstain===
#[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:33, 23 April 2006 (CDT) Changed to abstain because I don't feel I know enough about this issue to choose either way.
#[[User:Quig|Quig]] 10:09, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
#[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:34, 19 April 2006 (CDT) Abstaining until his next broadcast.
#[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:53, 20 April 2006 (CDT) After reading the unfortunate thread on the Skiffy board and the dialgoue established between Peter and KR, I will abstain until I determine whether or not this whole thing was worth the heartache for all concerned.
#[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:33, 23 April 2006 (CDT) Waiting for all the facts...
#[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:39, 23 April 2006 (CDT)As I've offered to give KR benefit of the doubt in compromise if he'd just be more mindful that at times when he was speculating or when he was giving spoilers was confusing, I'm switching my vote to abstain.

==Compromise Proposal re KoenigRules==
While KoenigRules and several of his collleagues insist that he does indeed have access to some sort of spoilers, all of them still will not confirm the veracity of these sources. Seeing as this is what they would do both if they were REAL and if they were NOT REAL sources, we thus arrive at an impasse. Therefore, I want to find some civil compromise over this: I'm a Uniter, not a Divider, and if we start turning on each other Rick Berman's new crackpot scheme to make Star Trek XI: Starfleet Academy will eat us BSG fans alive. '''Proposal''': If KoenigRules promises to be more careful in the future in his interviews, to *'''make it clear'''* when he is giving away '''direct information from his source(s)''', and when he is making a '''speculation''' ''based'' on either this purported source material, ''or'' just his own personal '''opinion''', we will reverse our decision to hold a vote to reject him as a reliable source. For example, if KoenigRules says in an interview "I think Baltar is a Cylon", he should really make it clear that that is just his opinion and not supported by any spoiler source information that he might have, as news sites might miscontrue his comments and lead to a world of trouble. However, the matter of HollyWoodNorthReport itself, which has come under frequent attack from many sites for improperly forgetting to use citations when they source material from other fansites, should be considered a separate matter.

I hope we can all agree to this.

:I don't think this subissue needs a vote. Koenigrules has indicated to me that he'll be able to reply here by monday. If he can adequately address the concerns we've raised, then naturally, the above discussion will be re-evaluated in light of that. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:21, 23 April 2006 (CDT)

===Support===
#--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:48, 22 April 2006 (CDT)

===Oppose===

== A word about sources ==

In lieu of all this, I am thinking of further clarifying the section defining what sources we should and should not use on the wiki. In particular, sources that are anonymous should not be referenced (this is fairly common sense, but isn't explicitly stated0. Also, for reference, we should probably add a definitive list of sources, grouped by categories from "uses anonymous source" to "trusted primary sources". (We have a list such as this already on the Citation page, though it could be better defined in my mind. ) Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:49, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
:I agree (though I don't know how to set that up using wiki code).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:46, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
::We would set it up just like the "Image tagging policy" page. The only question is how do we define what is legit and what is not? If we consider how big the internet and how vast information can be found, anyone who reports on infomration at a regular basis could be considered legit, as long as the information is true. (i.e. Gateworld vs. HNR). This would also not benifit the little people. So I am not really a fan of this, but in light of the problem with spoilers vs. fact, this might be needed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:02, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Well it now seems likely that KR does indeed have a source: he's been heavily involved since the Miniseries, and was on the original nuBSG fan page. What threw me in all of this is that that sie **no longer exists**, so when I was trying to fact check his credibility it didn't come up. He still cannot reveal his source without compromising it, so I think Joe's "annonymous source" spoiler tag idea might be best. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:41, 23 April 2006 (CDT)

Re-imagined Series References

2006-04-24T03:18:31Z

Kuralyov: /* References to BSG */

See also: [[Original Series References]]

== References on BSG ==

=== [[Miniseries]] ===

==== References to [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Battlestar Galactica]] ====
[[Image:Bsgmuseumlight4xn1.JPG|thumb|left|Galactica Museum (Miniseries)]]
*The Cylon design the [[Armistice Officer]] is looking at in the beginning, and the [[Cylon Centurion]] in the ''Galactica'''s museum, are from the original show.
*A model of the original series' [[Cylon Basestar]] is also in the ''Galactica'''s museum.
*A full-scale mock-up of an original series Cylon Raider is visible in the ''Galactica'' museum. Its hanging from the ceiling for the flight pod.
*The [[Viper (TOS)|Original Series Viper]] appears in the museum as well.
*The theme played during the current affairs programme used to introduce Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] is that of the original series fanfare. The fanfare is again heard during the decommissioning Viper flyby
*[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] tells [[Number Six]] that "the last time anyone saw a Cylon ''[i.e., the original series]'', they looked like walking chrome toasters."
*Baltar tells Number Six that "treason gets the death penalty;" in the original series, a point was made of the death penalty being abolished, even for treason.
[[Image:Cylonsword Mini.jpg|thumb|Cylon Centurion sword on Commander Adama's desk]]
* A sword carried by the Centurions in the original series is one of the weapons in Commander Adamas collection.
**The sword could be a war trophy picked up by Adama, possibly when the Galactica is boarded by the Cylons at the end of the war ([[Valley of Darkness]] deleted scene).
*In the first encounter between the Colonial Vipers and the [[Cylon Raiders]], one of the pilots says that during the first war, Raiders looked like flying wings (the original series' Raider design).
*One of the ''Galactica'''s pilots who is killed by the Cylons is called Jolly, the name of a ''Galactica'' pilot from the original series.
*Roslin makes a point of calling [[Lee Adama|Lee]] "[[Captain Apollo]]," saying "it has a nice ring to it."
*At the end of the Miniseries, [[Sharon Valerii]] says "by your command," the standard response of the original series' Cylons to the [[Imperious Leader]].
[[Image:SerenityBSGMini.JPG|thumb|left|Firefly transport in skies above Caprica City before the Cylon attack. (c) Sci-Fi Channel/Universal]]

==== Other References ====
*[[Number Six]]'s name is a reference to the character of the same name from "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/combined The Prisoner]".
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] is based on the character Michael Eddington from the movie "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059309/combined In Harm's Way]".
*''Serenity'', the ship from the show "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0303461/combined Firefly]," can be seen through the window above [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s head when she is diagnosed with cancer. Firefly and Battlestar Galactica shared the same special-effects studio ([[Zoic]], which put in the ''Serenity'') and several of the same writers.
*[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] burning the eye out of a picture of his wife is a reference to a similar scene in ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078788/combined Apocalypse Now]'' with Martin Sheen's character.
*The Gemenon liner's ID number is 1701; in [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455/combined Star Trek: The Next Generation] (which had many episodes written by ''Battlestar Galactica''s developer) the Enterprise's ID number is 1701.
[[Image:NCC1701_Mini2.JPG|thumb|''Star Trek'''s USS ''Enterprise'' makes a cameo appearance in last Fleet scene of Miniseries. (c) Sci-Fi Channel/Universal]]
*The gun used by Helo, Boomer, and other pilots is a homage to the guns used in the movie ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/combined Blade Runner]'' (which also starred [[Edward James Olmos]]).
*Roslin's [[Case Orange|swearing-in as President]] is an allusion to the famous photograph of Lyndon B. Johnson being sworn in as U.S. President on board Air Force One, after John F. Kennedy's assassination.
*''[[Colonial One]]'''s design was based on Air Force One, and the [[Raptor]]'s design was based on the Apache attack helicopter.
*The original [[Wikipedia:USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701%29|USS ''Enterprise'', NCC-1701,]] from "Star Trek: The Original Series" makes a humorous cameo in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] shot immediately before the memorial service at the end of the Miniseries.

=== [[Season One]] ===

====[[33]]====
*(Also seen elsewhere in the series)The format of the opening titles, a series of clips representing the story of the Cylon attack on the twelve colonies and the exodus of the fleet (all taken from the [[Miniseries]], followed by clips from the upcoming episode, is a homage to the ITC / Century 21 television series [[Wikipedia:Space 1999|Space 1999]], which [[Ronald D. Moore]] admits to having watched while growing up.
* (Also seen elsewhere in the series) The photograph pilots touch on entering / leaving the Ready Room is called [["Lest We Forget"]] and shows a Colonial soldier falling to his knees on witnessing the destruction of the capital of Arilon during the Cylon Attack. This is a direct homage to the pictures of NYFD personnel at Ground Zero on 9/11, while the title is drawn from the John Ford-directed film "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" starring John Wayne.
* The ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' mentioned as the birthplace of the fleet's first baby is a reference to the luxury liner [[Rising Star (TOS)|''Rising Star'' from the original series]]

====[[Bastille Day]]====
*[[Tom Zarek]] is played by [[Richard Hatch]], famous for his role as [[Captain Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]
*The title is a reference to the event that began the French Revolution, when a crowd of around 1,000 stormed the [[Wikipedia:Bastille prison|Bastille prison]] in Paris. In this case, the prison is a prison ship, and the prisoners themselves take it over.
*The ''[[Astral Queen]]'''s design is identical to the [[TOS Prison Barge|Prison Barge]] from the original series.
*The "I'm a bus driver, not a warden," comment from the [[Wilkens|Astral Queen's captain]] is a reference to Dr. McCoy's quips from "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/combined Star Trek]."

====[[Act of Contrition]]====
*In the flashback to Zak's funeral, there are American military HMMWV (Humvees) and 2 1/2 Ton (Deuce-and-a-Half) trucks on the Colonial base.

====[[You Can't Go Home Again]]====
*This episode shares some similarity with the final ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' episode, "The Return of Starbuck," where Starbuck is stranded on a desert moon, and uses a crashed Cylon Raider to return to the ''[[Galactica]]''.
*The "waggling" scene with [[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s viper and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s Cylon Raider is a nod to the original series; [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]] had to "waggle" their own Cylon Raider in order to convey they were friendlies, after losing their transmitter in "[[The Hand of God (TOS)|The Hand of God]]".

====[[Litmus]]====
*The name of the episode refers to a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litmus_test litmus test], used in chemistry to determine the presence of an acid.
*Commander Adama has copies of "Reader's Digest" in his cabin.
*Number Six says, "Don't make me angry, Gaius. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." This is a possible reference to the famous catchphrase of Dr. Bruce Banner, just before turning into the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hulk Incredible Hulk]: "You're making me angry, and you're not going to like me when I'm angry."

====[[Six Degrees of Separation]]====
*The name of the episode is a reference to the [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108149/combined movie of the same name], and share a similar concept - that everyone can be connected to others (in this case, Baltar, the dead scientist, and Shelly).

==== [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]] ====
*The episode was initially going to be a riff on the movie [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112740/ Crimson Tide], where both [[William Adama|Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] would begin to suspect one another of being a Cylon agent, ending up in a scene where they would be pointing weapons at one another.
*The episode's name comes from the Stereophonics' song "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down". Its also the name of a [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101026/ Spanish language movie] staring Antonio Banderas. The film, incidentally, was one of first NC-17-rated movies in America.

====[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]====
*A reference to the final episode of the original series, also called ''[[The Hand of God (TOS)|The Hand of God]]''; in both episodes, Adama launches the first offensive strike against Cylon bases.
*In both episodes, "wing-waggles" are used to identify the friendly intents of captured Cylon Raiders to other Colonials.
*During the battle, Starbuck yells out to Lee, "You magnificent bastard!" In the movie [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066206/ ''Patton''], during their first battle against each other, Patton says the same to Rommel.

====[[Colonial Day]]====
*The name of the news show, "The Colonial Gang," is a spoof of the CNN show "The Capital Gang."
*The bar that Lee gets into the fight at has several bottles of Jack Daniels whiskey on the shelf.
*At the end, Roslin tells Zarek that he doesn't need to worry about her kissing him, to which he replied that it's a shame, as he shaved extra close in anticipation of getting "smacked" by her. This dialogue was taken verbatim from the movie ''Patton'', with Roslin as Montgomery and Zarek as Patton.

====[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Kobol's Last Gleaming]]====
*In both this episode and the original series ''The Hand of God'', the Colonials track Cylon Raiders using IFF transponders.
*Both ''Kobol's Last Gleaming'' and the original series ''The Lost Planet of the Gods'' are two-part episodes where the ''Galactica'' finds Kobol.

=== [[Season Two]] ===

====[[Valley of Darkness]]====
*The title is a reference to [http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2023:4;&version=9; Psalms 23:4].
*[[Cally]] says, "I have a really bad feeling about this." This line (or variants) is a cult phrase amongst Star Wars fans; it is said in every Star Wars movie, and many of the Star Wars games and books.

====[[Fragged]]====
*The term 'fragged' comes from the Vietnam War, when it was used by American soldiers to describe deliberately killing their superior officers in the field, usually by tossing a fragmentation grenade (hence, fragged) into the room or area where the superior is located. Although Baltar doesn't kill Crashdown with a grenade, he does take out his superior officer, hence the reference.

*When Colonel Tigh asks of Adama's condition as Dr. [[Cottle]] begins surgery to save the Commander's life, he tells the XO, "How should I know? I'm not a psychic. Now get the hell out of here." This is an indirect nod to the character of "Dr. McCoy" from the original "Star Trek" series.

====[[Resistance]]====
*[[Cally]]'s assassination of Boomer resembles Jack Ruby's assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald (the assassin of JFK).
*The shooting of unarmed civilians by the Marines on the ''[[Gideon]]'', resulting in four deaths, was a reference to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings Kent State Shootings] from the Vietnam War era.

====[[Flight of the Phoenix]]====
*The name of the episode, and the theme of attempting to make a plane from scratch, comes from the book and two movies of the same name.

====[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]====
*The character [[Helena Cain]] and battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)]]'' are based on the [[Cain (TOS)]] and ''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]'' from the [[TOS|original series]] episode [[The Living Legend, Part I (TOS)|The Living Legend]]. The episode stops short of a full remake, however.

====[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]====
* Vireem and Gage's beating of Tyrol and Helo with bars of soap stuffed inside socks used as slings is an obvious homage to the Stanley Kubrick film "Full Metal Jacket", in which a similar thing happens to "Pvt. Pyle" in the Marine barracks at night.

====[[Downloaded]]====
*Sharon wears a brown jacket that seems to be an homage to Warrior uniforms from the original series.
*This episode seemed to equate the [[Resistance (organization)|Resistance]] with Palestinians, the Cylons with Israelis, and Caprica with Israel/Palestine.

====[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]====
* The ''[[Celestra]]'' (an electronics ship from TOS) was listed on vote tally boards.

== References to BSG ==

=== "Tripping the Rift" ===
*One of the show's main characters is a robot seductress named Six, who has the appearance of a beautiful human woman.

=== "The Office" ===
*The main character, Michael Scott (played by [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0136797/ Steve Carell]) mocks one of his employees for watching "Battleship Galaxy" every Friday night. ''The Office'' airs on NBC, which is owned by NBC Universal, the parent company of SCI-FI Network.

=== "Gilmore Girls" ===
*Rory Gilmore jokingly accuses her grandmother of being a Cylon in one episode.
*On another episode, Rory uses the term "frakking."

==="The Colbert Report"===
*On April 6th 2006, Stephen Colbert mentioned that Battlestar Galactica won a Peabody.

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[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Lists]]

Season 3 (2006-07)

2006-04-22T04:18:35Z

Kuralyov: /* Pivotal Plot Points */

{{spoiler}}

==Summary==

: None yet available.

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*According to an interview by Katee Sackhoff on Subject2Discussion.com on January 3rd, 2006, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s "[[The Farm|missing ovaries]]" will be mentioned before Season 2 ends and be a pivotal theme to Season 3.
*At the official [http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention], Lucy Lawless stated that: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in the first ten Season 3 episodes.
**When asked, Lawless later clarified that she will most likely be in 8 of them.
**This refers, of course, to the first half of the season. It's unknown how many episodes she will be in in the second half, if any, as they have yet to be planned.
*According to Ron D. Moore's podcast of the Captain's Hand, Apollo will continue to be the Commander of the Pegasus well into Season 3.
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
**There will actually be flashbacks explaining exactly why Apollo gained a lot of weight in the year that passed, why Starbuck and Tigh have mended fences now, and what happened that made Starbuck and Apollo angry at each other (apparently it was more than just her being insensitive when Anders came to ''Galactica'', possibly something more specific than him simply being frustrated that they got married). Lee will stay overweight for about the first 5 episodes.
*In one brief shot at the end of the season 2 finale, [[Leoben Conoy]] arrives in Starbuck's tent and finds [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and specifically asks where Kara Thrace is. Moore said that this is a major plot point, and will feature in the first three episodes of season three. It might have something to do with her missing ovaries, or it could have someting to do with the copy of Leoben encountered by Starbuck in the first season episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]".
*In an [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview] with NowPlayingMagazine on March 11, 2006, Ron Moore said "Essentially, season three is going to deal with the Cylon occupation of the Colonials on New Caprica. The sort of archetype that we’re talking about is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]: There’s a Colonial government run by President Baltar that is collaborating with the Cylons, while the humans put together an insurgent resistance against the occupation."
*Moore goes on to say that: ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' will be trying to figure out a way to save everyone trapped on New Caprica.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc.
*According to [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 LV Rocks], [[Ellen Tigh]] will be killed around episode 4.
*Katee Sackhoff has said in several [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-kateesackhoffbattlestargalacticaseason3secrets,0,6358727.story?coll=zap-rotator-coll interviews] that she has lost a fight with the producers to keep her long hair, and Starbuck's hair will become incredibly short in season 3. Sackhoff said her hair will be "somewhere between Sigourney Weaver in Alien (3) and the pilot ([[Miniseries]])", and "Kind of...like Natalie Portman in "[[Wikipedia:V for Vendetta (film)|V for Vendetta]]" short". Sackhoff goes on to say that her character "goes through a lot of turmoil over the first four episodes, more so than we've ever seen her, the depth of despair that she finds herself in are pretty deep at the end of episode four, and she kind of re-establishes her commitment to the military in episode five which is the haircut" and "sort of like ritualistically, preparing herself to go back on the warpath". (Ron Moore has said that the characters would leave New Caprica by around episode 5, so Sackhoff is probably referring to the point when they leave and she rejoins the military).
*Sackhoff went on to say that "there is another man that comes into her life, and it is a very unlikely man that everyone is going to be so livid over", and which Sackhoff wasn't entirely happy about. She then said "It's Adama", but she appeared to be saying it jokingly to tease the fans. She was probably joking if she meant Admiral William Adama, while Lee "Apollo" Adama doesn't seem very "unlikely" a choice given their history.
*According to a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/#a000525 blog] by Ronald Moore, he states that the relationship between Helo and Boomer will continue, neither Boomer will be killed in Season 3, and a subplot early in Season 3 will involve an animal.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmonson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
* [[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[Jammer]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Galactica Crew Guide]] page.''

==Episodes==
: ''To view the list of episodes, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Episode Guide#Season 3: October 2006|Battlestar Galactica Episode Guide]] page.''

== Official Statements ==

*An [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 official notice] of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

::SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in '''April 2006'''.

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 26, 2006]) ===

* '''Regarding [[William Adama]] and the reduction of the Colonial military:'''

: '' "What happened to Adama in the season finale to change him so much? Why would a man who spent decades of his adult life standing watch for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] return suddenly give in and allow the military to stand down? How could he convince himself that the Cylons weren't coming back after 1 year when the last time they waited 40 years? He knew settlement was wrong so why didn't he offer any resistance? "''

: I think people have a remarkable ability to convince themselves of just about anything. Adama, like everyone else in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], had been constantly on the run, constantly under stress, and constantly in danger of losing his life for months on end, with virtually no break from the metal walls surrounding him day in and day out. When, finally, the people decided to end the long sojourn and settle on [[New Caprica]], he had little choice but to comply with the results of a democratic election which hinged on that very question. And as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, people began to relax, to believe that maybe they had really turned a corner, had really found a place to lay down their burdens and start a new life. Adama was just as vulnerable to that attractive idea as anyone else, and as the men and women under him began to clamor for a new life, as the political leadership of New Caprica began to demand more and more military resources to support the civilian population, there came the point where Adama began to believe in the mirage too. He's not perfect. He never was. He couldn't bring himself to leave his ship, but as age and fatigue began to set in, he started to let down his guard just a little -- not all at once and never completely, but just enough.

: There were also practical considerations. He was entirely alone out here. No Admiralty to call for reinforcements or intelligence, no Justice Ministry to prosecute soldiers who simply never came back from the surface of [[New Caprica]], and no friendly ear in the office of the president to get needed resources for the military ships maintaining their lonely vigil up in orbit. He was alone and he was tired. It's almost as simple as that.

: I remember one of my most vivid memories from the immediate post 9/11 period was opening up the newspaper and reading about a physical confrontation in the streets between members of the New York police department and the New York fire department. It was heartbreaking, it was infuriating and it was illuminating. People are people. Enormous events happen, history pivots around us and we tell ourselves that everything has changed, that we're irrevocably different from this day forward -- until the next time everything changes. Adama made a mistake. They all did. And as he is wont to say, they will all have to live with it.

* '''Concerning [[Lee Adama]]'s changes:'''

: ''"What is up with the pudgified Apollo? Too much chunky munky B&J?"''

: We're going to hint at some of the reasons for Lee's physical, er... changes in the first few episodes, then deal with it in more detail later. Overall, we're going to be hinting at a lot of things that happened in the intervening year over the first few episodes, then do more stuff with it later, as the season progresses.

* '''Regarding [[Saul Tigh]]'s role in season three:'''

: Anyway, I think you'll be happy to know that we've got some real meaty stuff planned for the Colonel in the first few episodes. I also felt that we didn't use Tigh as effectively in the later part of [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]], and I was eager to get him back into the thick of things. He's got a sizable role in the initial episodes, and there are some enormous changes and shocks coming for his character next season.

* '''Regarding the role of [[Tom Zarek]]:'''

: ''"What happened to Zarek? Given his help getting [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] elected, I would have expected him to have recieved a pretty nice 'reward', perhaps as VP? Did Baltar even have a VP? We never see Zarek post-election or a year later on [[New Caprica]]. Given Zarak's penchant for political mayhem, I would think that his fate would be one of significant interest. Perhaps we will see this early in Season 3? "''

:You will be seeing Zarek again and early in the season. He was the Vice President, but his relationship with Baltar went south relatively quickly, and he simply refused to cooperate once the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation began.

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 3 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
{{Episode List}}

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Occupation

2006-04-22T04:09:39Z

Kuralyov: /* Overview */

{{spoiler}}

{{Episode Data|
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| Title= Occupation
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 3 (2006-07)|3]]
| Episode= 1
| Guests= TBA
| Writer= TBA
| Story=
| Director= TBA
| Production=
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| US Airdate= October, 2006
| UK Airdate=
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| Population= ?
| Prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| Next= [[Precipice]]}}

== Overview ==
A four-page excerpt from this episode is available as a side for the role of [[Selloi Dedona]] [http://www.nowcasting.com/sides/Episodic/BATTLESTAR%20GALACTICA/301%20Occupation/Selloi_Dedona_4pgs.pdf] from the website [http://www.nowcasting.com/index.php nowcasting.com]. From this, the following information about this episode can be gleaned. Bear in mind that any of these plot points may change before the episode airs:

*Selloi Dedona is a human oracle, whom cylon [[D'anna Biers]] consults. She asserts that Biers has lost her faith in the cylon God, which Biers denies. Dedona tells Biers that [[Hera]], the hybrid daughter of [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)]] and [[Karl Agathon]] is still alive. She claims the message originates with the cylon God himself, and also warns Biers to remember the story of [[Wikipedia:Medusa|Medusa]], predicting a similar downfall.

*[[Ellen Tigh]] is having a sexual affair with someone at a place referred to as the "Cylon planning office".

*[[Samuel Anders]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] are part of a human resistance movement. They successfully detonate a bomb near a [[Heavy Raider]], destroying it and numerous [[Cylon Centurion]]s and copies of cylon agents number [[Number Five|five]], [[Number Six|six]], and [[Number Eight|eight]].

*[[Laura Roslin]] and [[Tory Foster]] review reconnaissance photos of a police force composed of human collaborators, which appears to be about 200-strong, 50 of which can be identified by name. Roslin is apparently concerned with documenting collaborators and resistance fighters, pending [[William Adama]]'s return.

*[[Saul Tigh]] is the prisoner of a copy of [[Cavil]] in a detention facility.

*Some fans have inferred that one of Saul Tigh's eyes is injured in this episode, based on a reference to "his eye" in the singular [http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3122121&view=findpost&p=4939468], [http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3122121&view=findpost&p=4940506], [http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3122121&view=findpost&p=4958240], [http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3122121&view=findpost&p=4970887]. This has been the source of considerable fan controversy, so the relevant passage is excerpted below for reference purposes:

<pre>Tigh says nothing. Won't even look at him. Cavil reaches
into a pocket and takes out a TOOTHBRUSH, a WASHCLOTH, and a
BAR of SOAP.

BROTHER CAVIL (cont'd)
Brought you some things. Might as
well be comfortable as long as
you're here, right?

Tigh closes his eye, trying not to slide into hopelessness as
he realizes this means he's going to be here a long time.</pre>

== Summary ==

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

=== From RDM's blog ===

== Guest Stars ==

{{Episode List}}

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Colonial Fleet (TRS)/old

2006-04-15T00:46:34Z

Kuralyov: /* Fleet Status */

The '''Colonial Fleet''' is the primary armed service branch under the jurisdiction of the [[Ministry of Defense]].

The Colonial Fleet operates in tandem with another branch of the armed services, the [[Colonial Marine Corps]]. The Colonial Fleet also has a Reserve branch, of which [[Lee Adama]] was a member ([[Final Cut]]).

The Fleet was based at [[Picon Fleet Headquarters]] and was under the leadership of Admiral [[Nagala]] at the time of the [[Cylon Holocaust]]. Other identified Fleet installations included the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], [[Ragnar Anchorage]], and the [[Armistice Station]].

==Fleet Status==
At the time of the Cylon holocaust, the Colonial Fleet included approximately 120 battlestars (with estimated around 10,000 [[Vipers]], assuming 80 Vipers embarked per [[battlestar]] plus orbital defence squadrons, see [[Battlestar]]) as well as hundreds of [[Raptors]]. The Colonial Fleet was regarded by the Cylons to be a decisively superior force in a straight-up fight, which is why they resorted to sabotaging Colonial defences electronically ("[[Downloaded]]").

:''In the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] tells Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] when she's released from the brig "We lost 30 battlestars in the opening attack". She responds, "That's a quarter of the fleet." This establishes that there were approximately 120 active battlestars at the beginning of the Miniseries.''

The existence of [[Battlestar Group]]s strongly suggests that there were other military vessels in support roles, akin to an [[Wikipedia:aircraft carrier battle group|aircraft carrier battle group]]. According to [[Gaius Baltar]] in the [[Miniseries]], "entire squadrons" of military ships were affected by the CNP virus while engaging the Cylons.

As noted on the official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ships/ships/ SciFi Channel Battlestar Galactica web site], the Colonial Fleet also included modified [[Space Park]] vessels (although the single Space Park liner shown in ''Galactica's'' [[The Fleet (RDM)|Rag-tag Fleet]] is very likely a civilian liner).

Battlestars mentioned destroyed in the Cylon Attack included the ''[[Triton]]'', ''[[Solaria]]'', ''[[Columbia]]'', and ''[[Atlantia]]'' (commanded by Admiral [[Nagala]]). According to Admiral [[Helena Cain]], two unnamed battlestars and three other ships (type unknown, but presumed military vessels) were destroyed in the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]].

[[Pegasus (episode)|Currently]], the only two Colonial Fleet capital warships known to have survived the attack are the battlestars ''[[Galactica]]'' and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', which guard a [[The Fleet (RDM)|fleet of civilian ships]].

==Ships of the Colonial Fleet==
* [[Galactica type battlestar]]
* [[Mercury class battlestar]]
* [[Raptor]]
* [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]]

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Cylon War

2006-04-15T00:35:29Z

Kuralyov:

: ''For the Cylon War from the Original Series, see [[Thousand-Yahren War]].''

The '''Cylon War''' (or "First Cylon War") was the conflict that ended over forty years prior to the events of the [[re-imagined]] [[Miniseries]] and involved the early [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] revolting against their role of servants to the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonials]]. While the Cylons used [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] and [[Cylon Basestar|basestars]], the Colonials developed the first [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]], of which ''[[Galactica]]'' was one.

The Cylon War began as Humanity's bastard children, the Cylons, turned on their "parents" in a night of "blood and fire." Their rebellious acts caused the slaughter of countless thousands, if not millions.

Across the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], the Cylons waged a war against their masters that lasted many years. This war was waged amongst the stars as well as on Colonial soil. There are no specific battles to indicate the turning of the tides of war, though it is known that the Cylons were expelled from the now-combined Colonies and left to the stars.

After both sides fought to exhaustion the war ended in an armistice (possibly the [[Cimtar Peace Accord]]) and an attempt to maintain diplomatic relations with the Cylons. The Colonials built [[Armistice Station]] to maintain diplomatic contact, though this was ignored by the Cylons.

The first attack is depicted in a painting on the wall of [[William Adama|Commander William Adama's]] cabin onboard the [[battlestar]] [[Galactica]].

Given that the [[Articles of Colonization]] were signed fifty-two years before the [[Cylon Attack]], it is possible that the Cylon War was what precipitated the unification of the Twelve Colonies.

Veterans of the War include [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh]].

A painting by [[Monclair]] celebrates a joint [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]-[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Aerelon|Aerelon]] victory over Cylon forces.

===How can Adama and Tigh be Veterans?===

It appears that the Cylon war began 52 years ago, concurrent with the unification of the Twelve Colonies under the [[Articles of Colonization]], and ended twelve years later. Adama and Tigh's ages are unclear, but they could easily have entered service in the war's final years and still be in their late 50s/early 60s at the time of the series.

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Season 3 (2006-07)

2006-04-13T03:12:45Z

Kuralyov: /* Pivotal Plot Points */

{{spoiler}}

==Summary==

: None yet available.

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*According to an interview by Katee Sackhoff on Subject2Discussion.com on January 3rd, 2006, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s "[[The Farm|missing ovaries]]" will be mentioned before Season 2 ends and be a pivotal theme to Season 3.
*At the official [http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention], Lucy Lawless stated that: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in the first ten Season 3 episodes.
**When asked, Lawless later clarified that she will most likely be in 8 of them.
**This refers, of course, to the first half of the season. It's unknown how many episodes she will be in in the second half, if any, as they have yet to be planned.
*According to Ron D. Moore's podcast of the Captain's Hand, Apollo will continue to be the Commander of the Pegasus well into Season 3.
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
*In one brief shot at the end of the season 2 finale, [[Leoben Conoy]] arrives in Starbuck's tent and finds [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and specifically asks where Kara Thrace is. Moore said that this is a major plot point, and will feature in the first three episodes of season three. It might have something to do with her missing ovaries, or it could have someting to do with the copy of Leoben encountered by Starbuck in the first season episode 'Flesh and Bone'.
*In an [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview] with NowPlayingMagazine on March 11, 2006, Ron Moore said "Essentially, season three is going to deal with the Cylon occupation of the Colonials on New Caprica. The sort of archetype that we’re talking about is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]: There’s a Colonial government run by President Baltar that is collaborating with the Cylons, while the humans put together an insurgent resistance against the occupation."
*Moore goes on to say that: ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' will be trying to figure out a way to save everyone trapped on New Caprica.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc.
*According to [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 LV Rocks], [[Ellen Tigh]] will be killed around episode 4.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmonson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
* [[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[Jammer]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Galactica Crew Guide]] page.''

==Episodes==
: ''To view the list of episodes, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Episode Guide#Season 3: October 2006|Battlestar Galactica Episode Guide]] page.''

== Official Statements ==

*An [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 official notice] of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

::SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in '''April 2006'''.

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 26, 2006]) ===

* '''Regarding [[William Adama]] and the reduction of the Colonial military:'''

: '' "What happened to Adama in the season finale to change him so much? Why would a man who spent decades of his adult life standing watch for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] return suddenly give in and allow the military to stand down? How could he convince himself that the Cylons weren't coming back after 1 year when the last time they waited 40 years? He knew settlement was wrong so why didn't he offer any resistance? "''

: I think people have a remarkable ability to convince themselves of just about anything. Adama, like everyone else in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], had been constantly on the run, constantly under stress, and constantly in danger of losing his life for months on end, with virtually no break from the metal walls surrounding him day in and day out. When, finally, the people decided to end the long sojourn and settle on [[New Caprica]], he had little choice but to comply with the results of a democratic election which hinged on that very question. And as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, people began to relax, to believe that maybe they had really turned a corner, had really found a place to lay down their burdens and start a new life. Adama was just as vulnerable to that attractive idea as anyone else, and as the men and women under him began to clamor for a new life, as the political leadership of New Caprica began to demand more and more military resources to support the civilian population, there came the point where Adama began to believe in the mirage too. He's not perfect. He never was. He couldn't bring himself to leave his ship, but as age and fatigue began to set in, he started to let down his guard just a little -- not all at once and never completely, but just enough.

: There were also practical considerations. He was entirely alone out here. No Admiralty to call for reinforcements or intelligence, no Justice Ministry to prosecute soldiers who simply never came back from the surface of [[New Caprica]], and no friendly ear in the office of the president to get needed resources for the military ships maintaining their lonely vigil up in orbit. He was alone and he was tired. It's almost as simple as that.

: I remember one of my most vivid memories from the immediate post 9/11 period was opening up the newspaper and reading about a physical confrontation in the streets between members of the New York police department and the New York fire department. It was heartbreaking, it was infuriating and it was illuminating. People are people. Enormous events happen, history pivots around us and we tell ourselves that everything has changed, that we're irrevocably different from this day forward -- until the next time everything changes. Adama made a mistake. They all did. And as he is wont to say, they will all have to live with it.

* '''Concerning [[Lee Adama]]'s changes:'''

: ''"What is up with the pudgified Apollo? Too much chunky munky B&J?"''

: We're going to hint at some of the reasons for Lee's physical, er... changes in the first few episodes, then deal with it in more detail later. Overall, we're going to be hinting at a lot of things that happened in the intervening year over the first few episodes, then do more stuff with it later, as the season progresses.

* '''Regarding [[Saul Tigh]]'s role in season three:'''

: Anyway, I think you'll be happy to know that we've got some real meaty stuff planned for the Colonel in the first few episodes. I also felt that we didn't use Tigh as effectively in the later part of [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]], and I was eager to get him back into the thick of things. He's got a sizable role in the initial episodes, and there are some enormous changes and shocks coming for his character next season.

* '''Regarding the role of [[Tom Zarek]]:'''

: ''"What happened to Zarek? Given his help getting [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] elected, I would have expected him to have recieved a pretty nice 'reward', perhaps as VP? Did Baltar even have a VP? We never see Zarek post-election or a year later on [[New Caprica]]. Given Zarak's penchant for political mayhem, I would think that his fate would be one of significant interest. Perhaps we will see this early in Season 3? "''

:You will be seeing Zarek again and early in the season. He was the Vice President, but his relationship with Baltar went south relatively quickly, and he simply refused to cooperate once the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation began.

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 3 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
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