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2006-12-21T08:42:23Z

Kingfisher: /* Article Name */

I just registered 5 minutes ago, so be gentle...
Is there any reason why the references to BattleStar's and Raiders are neither capitalized, or links?

: Hi! Welcome to the Wiki -- I hope you have a blast here! :-) Anyway, to address your question, Battlestar can be spelled one of two ways ("Battlestar" or "battlestar"). ("BattleStar" is an incorrect spelling, by the way.) As for raiders, you can capitalize them or not; it's similar to writing the "stealth fighter" or "naval carrier" -- you can choose whether or not to capitalize the first letters of each word. As for the links, by default the first letter of any article is capitalized. Why? It's just how the software we use works. :-) Hope that answers your question! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:54, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I noticed that Kuralyov had a number of Talk entries regarding basestars. Was he just tweaking the language?

:Just redirects from the various names used to describe Basestars, so any newcomer will be better able to find it via search. [[User:68.9.113.183|68.9.113.183]] 22:23, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)
::Whoops, I was logged out for some reason when I posted that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:24, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Corrected minor spelling mistake - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 18 February, 2006

I'm not sure if the new bulleted list works or not. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:39, 22 March 2006 (CST)

: Each bulleted segment refers to a specific instance of an encounter between depicted Colonial forces and (a) Cylon basestar(s). The section title of "Encounters With the Colonial Fleet", and the way that the material was structured when I initiated the edit, implied that this was a list of some kind, at least a loosely associated one. The material that was there was also grammatically sloppy, overly detailed in some areas, and vague in others. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:47, 22 March 2006 (CST)

::You did a good job re-editing it, I'm just "not sure" it's best to keep it as a bulleted list, I don't know if this would be "aesthetically pleasing" or whatever. Point is I'm not sure; I dunno, just bringing up the point; whatever you guys decide I'm fine with; wouldn't be a problem if it stays the way Hawke left it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:17, 23 March 2006 (CST)

== TOS Basestar ==

Can someone please add a some information about the original basestar.

: See the first line of the article, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

Question. If the Cylons rebelled against mankind (an open rebellion on all twelve colonies, with the Cylons previously having been servants of mankind) where did they get the resources, time, and infrastructure to build basestars? There would have to be massive shipyards to accommodate building them, and then it would probably take well over a year to build even one, which strikes me as being something hard to accomplish when you're busy serving mankind. Seems like mankind might notice?

[[User:UNATCO]] 04:30, 29 November 2006 (PST)
:In the original series the Cylons were no created by man and instead were made by an alient race. The original basestar seen in the miniseries is more liikely to be a homage rather than actual canon of their past. However even if it was the original war went on for a number of years. The cylons can been seen in paintings to be using swords, its not like they decided one day to build basestars and pummel into the colonials. It had also been many many years between the time when the Cylons left the colonies and the attack in the miniseries, plenty of time to build an army and basestars. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:45, 29 November 2006 (CST)

: It's possible that the basestars were created to be used by Cylons, since it's been hinted at that the Colonies were at war with one another prior to the Cylon rebellion. Also, this may very well address the question of how the battlestars came into existence as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:57, 29 November 2006 (CST)

== Image placement ==

So, rather than a revert war: I had shifted one of the images on this page to the left for balance. That's the scheme that's used on many character pages and I think it looks best. However, Bane Grievver seems to disagree but reverted without comment, so I'm soliciting one here. Any particular reason, Bane, or just because that's how it was before? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:30, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:I liked it your way, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I just made it what I'd imagine your way was in ignorance of the previous revert issue. I also added another image on the right, so hopefully that will remove any objection. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:01, 31 March 2006 (CST)

== 792? ==

Maybe I'm being dense, but how do you count the number of launch slots with such certainty? I could understand a Zoic source, I suppose, but just counting leaves me less sure. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:03, 31 March 2006 (CST)

:Isn't it from the official magazine? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:50, 29 November 2006 (CST)

::It's listed in the Official (now defunct) Magazine in the June/July issue. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:27, 29 November 2006 (CST)

==Images linked to in article==
As the wiki doesnt count the images linked in this article to be counted as being used I have thumbed them here so that they will not be deleted.
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<br/>--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:50, 3 April 2006 (CDT)
:Placed images in new gallery feature so removed from Talk page --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 08:39, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

==Size==
Do Basestars really 'dwarf' Battlestars like the Pegasus and Galactica? Personally I think that they do, thats just the feel I get for them, but the truth is that I can't find any really good comparisons of a Battlestar and Basestar close togther. Theres a scene from Ressurectin Ship Pt. 2 where Apollo is drifting in space and you can see a Basestar and the two Battlestars, but the perspective is such that you can't really tell the size of them. Are theyre any concrete numbers on Basestar size, or at least some good comparisons?[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 22:32, 11 June 2006 (CDT)

When Pegasus rams one in the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Pegasus actually appears noticeably larger in comparison, or at least in bulk. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:32, 25 November 2006 (CST) [[Image:Pegaus_Ram.jpg|Pegaus_Ram.jpg]]

In looking at the above image, just how is it that basestars "dwarf" battlestars as a whole (Galactica maybe, but not Pegasus)? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 14:03, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:I think the fact that there's debate should be enough to remove the word "dwarf", at least for the meantime. If the difference in size were that stark there'd be no debate.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 15:36, 26 November 2006 (CST)

==Heavy Raiders?==
Do we have proof that Basestars field Heavy Raiders? I don't really recall any Basestars launching Heavy Raiders. If I recall correctly, every time we've seen Heavy Raiders, they've been self powered. And as for Scattered, that Heavy Raider wasn't seen launching from the Basestar, and thusly could have come in under its own power. I'd suggest that until we see Heavy Raiders launching from Basestars, we don't take an assumption as fact. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:04, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Heavy Raiders, however, have been seen flying next to Basestars deep in space. I personally would assume that the Heavy Raider was launched from the Basestar itself rather than accompanied it all the way from the Cylon Homeworld --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:20, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::And, I think it's a good assumption, but I'm saying that we shouldn't take it as fact. I added a small note to the page saying Heavy Raiders are likely. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:24, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Actually, we do know they dock in Basestars. In KLGII, when Boomer and Racetrack land inside the Basestar Hangar, some of the Landing Bays neighbouring the one they dock on have Heavy Raiders in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:12, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
:No less then seven Heavy Raiders have been launched from a basestar in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 01:51, 20 December 2006 (CST)

==Numbers==
I'm not sure, but did we ever get any comments on the size of the Cylon Fleet? Wasn't there a comment in a podcast or something, I think I recall it, but I am unsure. If anyone knows if they've mentioned numbers anywhere, I think it would be great for the article, since we can keep a "kill" count, or something. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:22, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

The exact number of Basestars is unknown, but I would place a guess of there being at '''least''' 50 of them. If the Cylons did decide the Colonial Fleet was superior to theirs, it might suggest there were at the least not enough Basestars to match the approx 120 Battlestars [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:24, 25 November 2006 (CST)

==Article Name==
Hey, we all know that the terms "Baseship" and "Basestar" are basically interchangeable, but I've noticed that in all the new season, everytime we hear the Cylons refer to their ships they call them "Baseships" and they've never called it "Basestar". Maybe, considering the actual creators use that term more, we should change the main article name to Baseship? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:14, 12 November 2006 (CST)
*For that matter, how many times have the colonials called it a "basestar"? If I recall, they haven't used it so much. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:The Cylons prefer "baseship," but we hear either from the Colonial's side. I don't think a move is particularly useful, especially when there are redirects for the same term, no matter what series. "Basestar" also works because of its RDM ship's star shape. As this is also a homage to TOS, best to leave it be. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:36, 12 November 2006 (CST)
::Well I was just thinking, maybe the article should have the "main name" that is used by it's creators. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:27, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:::Its called a basestar because thats its original series name. Everyone knows its a basestar but we also know what the Cylons mean when they refer to a a baseship. Keep the name basestar imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:24, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::::True, but I found it odd that the only name the Cylons ever use is "Baseship", even if for us it's the same thing, the fact that they've never used the term "Basestar" made me wonder if perhaps these ships are mainly referred to as "Baseship", while "basestar" is a nickname also commonly associated, though not the actual name of the ship class. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:::::In the most recent podcasts RDM has definitely favored baseship over basestar. He seems to use them interchangably though, and baseship is a bit easier to say. I can't testify to the use of the word in-show, though a quick search of the episode transcripts could verify its use. Even with its prevalent "baseship" usage, "basestar"'s appeal lies in the consistency, whereas baseship is the word they're using right now. It might at least be worth a note in the article about the consistent usage of the newer term. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:40, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:It should be noted that, even in the original series, "baseship" and "basestar" were also used interchangably. The Colonials even use the term "Cylon battlestar" in one episode, as I recall, so nothing is really served by upsetting the status quo, since all the redirects are in place already. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:46, 13 November 2006 (CST)

Hey, I only bring this up again in light of what Bradley Thompson answered regarding the name of ships, and he actually included this ship in his answer:

:'''''"During the first season, we asked Mr. Eick for a decree on the subject: Are the Cylon vessels Base Ships or Base Stars? One word or two? He quite definitively stated that Base Ships was what they use. Of course, not everybody got the word and you'll hear both throughout the series."'''''

So it seems that the official term is "Base Ship", and that the only reason we here the other term sometimes is because the writers of some episodes were not aware of this information and used both terms.

I think that this official statement, coupled with the fact that Cylons always call their ship "Base Ship", should warrant a change in the article name. I know the words are basically interchangeable, but we should have the term that is the most official, no? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:41, 16 December 2006 (CST)
*Any Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:28, 19 December 2006 (CST)
**I know it might not seem like it matters that much, and I hate to appear anal but I do think we should go by the term that is the one they wanted to use, and would've used completely if all writers had been informed. It also gives us a chance to easier differentiate these from the old ones because their "Main Name" is different. And hence we only need to call it "Base Ship". --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:40, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::However, they are labeled "basestar" on DRADIS, at least as of "Exodus". -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 01:56, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:::I know, and they've been labelled "basestars" in other places (From Colonial point of view), but it has been quite noticeable that the Cylons themselves always call them "Base Ships", and as Ngarenn said, it is supposed to be "Base Ships", but since not all the writers heard this we might hear a different term now and then, but this is because of misinformation rather than anything else. That's why I think that, given the revelation that the "most official" term is "Base Ship", it's the one we should use, while the others serve as secondary. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 02:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::::Nevertheless, given the existence of both terms on the show, the current title is not invalid, and the argument that it serves as a useful point of comparison/reference with the vessel's counterpart in the original series may have merit. There is also the logistics of moving such a well-linked article, and the usages of "basestar" in other articles. I do see your point, but the problem may not be severe enough to warrant such a measure. -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 02:42, 21 December 2006 (CST)

=="Encounters With Colonial Fleet"==
Should we change the name of this section to "Appearances" since now that Baltar is over there we have a lot more on the Baseships without it necessarily being an encounter with the Colonial fleet. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:27, 16 November 2006 (CST)

== Basestar modifications ==

Should there be some mention of how all the basestars seen after "Exodus Part II" have a different appearance? Many details are different, such as the window pattern in the central hub, the hull pattern in the sections between the arms, more "pronounced" raider bays, and rows of what look like guns on the arms? -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 00:55, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:If we do, we should add it in a BTS section since the change isn't supposed to actually "happen". I asked Bradley Thomspon on the matter about a month ago [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques#New_Baseship_Design], and this is what he said-

: '''''"We're always upgrading the imagery (compare the Centurions from Season 1 to those of Season 3, for example). Gary Hutzel, Mike Gibson and the VFX crew decided to echo the internal design elements of the base ship on the exterior"'''''

:So it seems that the change is actually a retcon for the Base Ship appearance. They also seem to be smaller than the other Base Ships, which is why I wondered if maybe it was a new Base Ship model, but it seems it's just a retcon and they officially have always looked like this. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)

*Hey, I added the comment to the notes section. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Basestar (TRS)

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Kingfisher: /* Notes */

{{translation|[[Basestar (RDM)/fr:Basestar (RDM)|French]]}}
:''This article is about the basestar as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Cylon agent]]s, [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, Heavy Raiders (likely)
| img= Y
}}

==Overview==
A '''basestar''' (known interchangeably as a "baseship") is the most prominent example of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] military presence.

Basestars are approximately the same size as a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] but appear to be more technologically advanced.<ref>The official SciFi.com website indicates that basestars "dwarf" a battlestar. However, aired information in season 3, which shows ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' in close proximity to a basestar, contradict SciFi.com's information.</ref> While basestars may have a somewhat longer "footprint" due to their "Y" shape, their mass is similar to most battlestars. They are equipped with a superior [[FTL|jump system]] and no visible means of sublight propulsion, lacking any engine pods or nacelles, but remain capable of chasing down a battlestar ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

Basestars operate a fleet of small fighters called [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] and are capable of deploying hundreds of these simultaneously (see Related Imagery). The enormous amount of Raiders serve as a basestar's primary point-defense system.

Basestars possess several rooms and hallways, that are sleek but generally bland; Cylons [[Projection|project different environments]] to get around the ship more easily. Data and other functions such as analyzing photographs are handled in literal streams of water that go over a lit up computer glass surface. Cylons can [[Cylon data port|interface with the data by simply placing their hands in the basins]].

==Command and Control==
[[Image:Baseshipcontrolroom.jpg|thumb|right|Baseship control room. ([[Torn]])]]
A basestar is operated by many [[Cylon agent]]s. Up to [[Torn|all seven models]] of Cylon agents issue commands for the basestar from a central command and control center. Consensus is typically the normal procedure, although the process of deliberating and voting on decisions may cause the basestar to react more slowly than a battlestar's command and control in a [[CIC]].

A basestar's functions are managed by a partially-humanoid Cylon incorporated into the ship, known as a [[Hybrid]]. The Hybrid, for all respects of identity and control, ''is '' the basestar. The ship is an extension of her body and she is the ship's mind. The Hybrid, despite its humanoid appearance, is not a considered a fellow Cylon agent and lacks voting power as other agents have in Cylon affairs.

A basestar has a [[datastream]], or computer network, which interfaces with the Hybrid and all aspects of the basestar's operation.

==Armaments==

A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles from "turrets" mounted throughout the hubs and central axis that rotate to allow the basestar to fire in any direction<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are usually carried out only before Raider deployment. One example of a Cylon nuclear attack involved three Cylon basestars that [[The Captain's Hand|ambush]] the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. They open their attack firing several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and switching to a non-nuclear firing solution ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

A basestar's complement of Raiders is estimated as high as 792 fighters<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>, not counting fighters in repair or otherwise offline.

This tactic, along with the massive amounts of Raiders that a basestar can unleash, suggest a similarity with the ''[[Wikipedia:Arsenal ship|Arsenal ship]]'' concept to overwhelm and destroy a foe. It is probable that basestars used nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet]] (using their [[backdoor]] in the [[CNP]] to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), nor any armoring<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 57.</ref>, basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat without Raider fighter support ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
[[Image:Basestar_above_armistice-station_-_00.04.06.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar above the [[Armistice Station]]]]
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.
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[[Image:Basestarcaprica-00.56.10.jpg|thumb|right|Basestars over Caprica]]
*Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deploy nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars orbit the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guides her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. Boomer's Raptor guides by debris of destroyed Colonial units, including the shattered hulk of a battlestar ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-ragnar-02.38.56.jpg|thumb|left|Two basestars over [[Ragnar]]]]
* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escape, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-33-00.21.05.jpg|thumb|right|A basestar attacks ''Galactica''.]]
* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL jump after jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and are able to track it through each successive [[FTL|jump]]. Following the 239th jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] destroy the liner, the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th jump. The Cylons do not immediately follow, ending the pursuit.
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[[Image:Basestar_over_kobol_nuked_-_00.32.45.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar over [[Kobol]] is destroyed]]
* The Fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet Kobol is discovered by a single Raptor on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. The reconnaissance team of three Raptors is surprised by a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon transponder]] to deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is [[Arrow of Apollo|later tasked]] to the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as planned. Despite their anxiety, the Raptor infiltrates the basestar. The interior view of the basestar that Boomer and Racetrack are afforded is overwhelming – a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical components lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first aired instance in the series that Colonial forces successfully destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
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[[Image:Basestar_-_scattered_-_00.31.44.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica's'' Vipers on approach to a basestar.]]
* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL jump. This haphazard jump (due to mishandled coordinate updates) separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to her previous location to recalculate the jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.
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[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar under attack by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'']]
* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
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* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons deploy basestars in a new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews killed by carefully venting their crew compartments, and the Raptors set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advice and takes ''Pegasus'' to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors to scan the located Raptors. As the rescue Raptors discover the lost Raptors' fate, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Major Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survives [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralds a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

[[Image:Baseshipcloseup305.jpg|thumb|right|Baltar's Baseship]]
* The next appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several, approximately six or seven, basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot. The Cylons then task at least two basestars with guarding the surrounding space of the planet.

*Four months later during the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Galactica launches its rescue operation of the humans of New Caprica, two basestars move to combat it without any fighter support as the raiders are otherwise occupied. Soon two more basestars jump and move to engage bringing the total to four. Before long, Galactica's FTL drives and maneuvering thrusters are disabled, and the port side of the ship reaches its structural limits. Battlestar Pegasus then arrives with its forward batteries blazing, scoring several hits that destroy one basestar. Commander Lee Adama orders his battlestar towards the basestars to give Galactica time to repair its FTL drive and escape. Later with Pegasus taking phenomenal damage, Commander Adama orders all hands to abandon ship, using standby Raptors to jump away from the battle. He ensures that the weapons were set to autofire and that the ship is on a collision course with one of the basestars before departing. The damaged, unmanned Pegasus collides into one basestar, destroying both. The remnants of Pegasus’s starboard flight pod collides with another of the remaining basestars, destroying it ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

[[Image:SickBase.jpg|thumb|left|The Infected Basestar]]

*A basestar is disabled and presumed dead after it encounters a beacon left near a nebula that marked the way to [[Earth]]. The probe apparently contained a pathogen that infects and kills Cylons of all kinds, be it Raider, Centurion, or agent. The Resurrection Ship, is ordered to jump away from the area and thus resulting in the permanent deaths of the ship's contingent of biological Cylons. It later presumably self-destructs soon after the Galactica investigation team leaves ([[Torn]]).
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==Casualties==

By the end of "[[Exodus, Part II]]," a total of five basestars are confirmed as destroyed by Colonial forces.
*"[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" - 1
*"[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" - 1
*"[[Exodus, Part II]]" - 3

One basestar was heavily damaged and possibly destroyed in "Resurrection Ship, Part II," and another in "The Captain's Hand."

A further basestar self-destructed or succumbed to [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|a virus]] and is destroyed in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]".

==Notes==
[[Image:Basestarinmuseum.jpg|thumb|right|A model of a [[Cylon War]]-era Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|Basestar]] on display in the defunct museum.]]
*In the [[Miniseries]], ''Galactica'''s new museum displays a model of the Cylon basestar used in the [[Cylon War]]. As it happens, this design is identical to the basestars seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. However, despite the identical use of the ship design, the universe of the Re-imagined Series does not use the same weapons as that of the Original Series, so viewers are left to ponder what armed the Re-imagined incarnations of the Original Series Cylon warships. The museum also displays a deactivated [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]--again, the same design of Cylon warrior as used in the Original Series, and indicated in the episodes as the Cylons seen in the Cylon War of the Re-imagined Series continuity.
*Beginning with the episode "[[Collaborators]]", a new exterior design was implemented for the basestars, bearing a sharper, more mechanical look then they previously had. This was apparently an upgrade by the VFX crew to make the exterior mirror more the interior design, which we saw for the first time in that episode.
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== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Bsraidersrelease1.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease2.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease3.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsmissiles.jpg|''Basestar'' launching missiles    
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Talk:Basestar (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-12-21T07:56:10Z

Kingfisher: /* Article Name */

I just registered 5 minutes ago, so be gentle...
Is there any reason why the references to BattleStar's and Raiders are neither capitalized, or links?

: Hi! Welcome to the Wiki -- I hope you have a blast here! :-) Anyway, to address your question, Battlestar can be spelled one of two ways ("Battlestar" or "battlestar"). ("BattleStar" is an incorrect spelling, by the way.) As for raiders, you can capitalize them or not; it's similar to writing the "stealth fighter" or "naval carrier" -- you can choose whether or not to capitalize the first letters of each word. As for the links, by default the first letter of any article is capitalized. Why? It's just how the software we use works. :-) Hope that answers your question! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:54, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I noticed that Kuralyov had a number of Talk entries regarding basestars. Was he just tweaking the language?

:Just redirects from the various names used to describe Basestars, so any newcomer will be better able to find it via search. [[User:68.9.113.183|68.9.113.183]] 22:23, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)
::Whoops, I was logged out for some reason when I posted that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:24, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Corrected minor spelling mistake - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 18 February, 2006

I'm not sure if the new bulleted list works or not. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:39, 22 March 2006 (CST)

: Each bulleted segment refers to a specific instance of an encounter between depicted Colonial forces and (a) Cylon basestar(s). The section title of "Encounters With the Colonial Fleet", and the way that the material was structured when I initiated the edit, implied that this was a list of some kind, at least a loosely associated one. The material that was there was also grammatically sloppy, overly detailed in some areas, and vague in others. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:47, 22 March 2006 (CST)

::You did a good job re-editing it, I'm just "not sure" it's best to keep it as a bulleted list, I don't know if this would be "aesthetically pleasing" or whatever. Point is I'm not sure; I dunno, just bringing up the point; whatever you guys decide I'm fine with; wouldn't be a problem if it stays the way Hawke left it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:17, 23 March 2006 (CST)

== TOS Basestar ==

Can someone please add a some information about the original basestar.

: See the first line of the article, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

Question. If the Cylons rebelled against mankind (an open rebellion on all twelve colonies, with the Cylons previously having been servants of mankind) where did they get the resources, time, and infrastructure to build basestars? There would have to be massive shipyards to accommodate building them, and then it would probably take well over a year to build even one, which strikes me as being something hard to accomplish when you're busy serving mankind. Seems like mankind might notice?

[[User:UNATCO]] 04:30, 29 November 2006 (PST)
:In the original series the Cylons were no created by man and instead were made by an alient race. The original basestar seen in the miniseries is more liikely to be a homage rather than actual canon of their past. However even if it was the original war went on for a number of years. The cylons can been seen in paintings to be using swords, its not like they decided one day to build basestars and pummel into the colonials. It had also been many many years between the time when the Cylons left the colonies and the attack in the miniseries, plenty of time to build an army and basestars. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:45, 29 November 2006 (CST)

: It's possible that the basestars were created to be used by Cylons, since it's been hinted at that the Colonies were at war with one another prior to the Cylon rebellion. Also, this may very well address the question of how the battlestars came into existence as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:57, 29 November 2006 (CST)

== Image placement ==

So, rather than a revert war: I had shifted one of the images on this page to the left for balance. That's the scheme that's used on many character pages and I think it looks best. However, Bane Grievver seems to disagree but reverted without comment, so I'm soliciting one here. Any particular reason, Bane, or just because that's how it was before? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:30, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:I liked it your way, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I just made it what I'd imagine your way was in ignorance of the previous revert issue. I also added another image on the right, so hopefully that will remove any objection. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:01, 31 March 2006 (CST)

== 792? ==

Maybe I'm being dense, but how do you count the number of launch slots with such certainty? I could understand a Zoic source, I suppose, but just counting leaves me less sure. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:03, 31 March 2006 (CST)

:Isn't it from the official magazine? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:50, 29 November 2006 (CST)

::It's listed in the Official (now defunct) Magazine in the June/July issue. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:27, 29 November 2006 (CST)

==Images linked to in article==
As the wiki doesnt count the images linked in this article to be counted as being used I have thumbed them here so that they will not be deleted.
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<br/>--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:50, 3 April 2006 (CDT)
:Placed images in new gallery feature so removed from Talk page --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 08:39, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

==Size==
Do Basestars really 'dwarf' Battlestars like the Pegasus and Galactica? Personally I think that they do, thats just the feel I get for them, but the truth is that I can't find any really good comparisons of a Battlestar and Basestar close togther. Theres a scene from Ressurectin Ship Pt. 2 where Apollo is drifting in space and you can see a Basestar and the two Battlestars, but the perspective is such that you can't really tell the size of them. Are theyre any concrete numbers on Basestar size, or at least some good comparisons?[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 22:32, 11 June 2006 (CDT)

When Pegasus rams one in the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Pegasus actually appears noticeably larger in comparison, or at least in bulk. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:32, 25 November 2006 (CST) [[Image:Pegaus_Ram.jpg|Pegaus_Ram.jpg]]

In looking at the above image, just how is it that basestars "dwarf" battlestars as a whole (Galactica maybe, but not Pegasus)? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 14:03, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:I think the fact that there's debate should be enough to remove the word "dwarf", at least for the meantime. If the difference in size were that stark there'd be no debate.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 15:36, 26 November 2006 (CST)

==Heavy Raiders?==
Do we have proof that Basestars field Heavy Raiders? I don't really recall any Basestars launching Heavy Raiders. If I recall correctly, every time we've seen Heavy Raiders, they've been self powered. And as for Scattered, that Heavy Raider wasn't seen launching from the Basestar, and thusly could have come in under its own power. I'd suggest that until we see Heavy Raiders launching from Basestars, we don't take an assumption as fact. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:04, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Heavy Raiders, however, have been seen flying next to Basestars deep in space. I personally would assume that the Heavy Raider was launched from the Basestar itself rather than accompanied it all the way from the Cylon Homeworld --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:20, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::And, I think it's a good assumption, but I'm saying that we shouldn't take it as fact. I added a small note to the page saying Heavy Raiders are likely. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:24, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Actually, we do know they dock in Basestars. In KLGII, when Boomer and Racetrack land inside the Basestar Hangar, some of the Landing Bays neighbouring the one they dock on have Heavy Raiders in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:12, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
:No less then seven Heavy Raiders have been launched from a basestar in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 01:51, 20 December 2006 (CST)

==Numbers==
I'm not sure, but did we ever get any comments on the size of the Cylon Fleet? Wasn't there a comment in a podcast or something, I think I recall it, but I am unsure. If anyone knows if they've mentioned numbers anywhere, I think it would be great for the article, since we can keep a "kill" count, or something. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:22, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

The exact number of Basestars is unknown, but I would place a guess of there being at '''least''' 50 of them. If the Cylons did decide the Colonial Fleet was superior to theirs, it might suggest there were at the least not enough Basestars to match the approx 120 Battlestars [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:24, 25 November 2006 (CST)

==Article Name==
Hey, we all know that the terms "Baseship" and "Basestar" are basically interchangeable, but I've noticed that in all the new season, everytime we hear the Cylons refer to their ships they call them "Baseships" and they've never called it "Basestar". Maybe, considering the actual creators use that term more, we should change the main article name to Baseship? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:14, 12 November 2006 (CST)
*For that matter, how many times have the colonials called it a "basestar"? If I recall, they haven't used it so much. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:The Cylons prefer "baseship," but we hear either from the Colonial's side. I don't think a move is particularly useful, especially when there are redirects for the same term, no matter what series. "Basestar" also works because of its RDM ship's star shape. As this is also a homage to TOS, best to leave it be. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:36, 12 November 2006 (CST)
::Well I was just thinking, maybe the article should have the "main name" that is used by it's creators. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:27, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:::Its called a basestar because thats its original series name. Everyone knows its a basestar but we also know what the Cylons mean when they refer to a a baseship. Keep the name basestar imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:24, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::::True, but I found it odd that the only name the Cylons ever use is "Baseship", even if for us it's the same thing, the fact that they've never used the term "Basestar" made me wonder if perhaps these ships are mainly referred to as "Baseship", while "basestar" is a nickname also commonly associated, though not the actual name of the ship class. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:::::In the most recent podcasts RDM has definitely favored baseship over basestar. He seems to use them interchangably though, and baseship is a bit easier to say. I can't testify to the use of the word in-show, though a quick search of the episode transcripts could verify its use. Even with its prevalent "baseship" usage, "basestar"'s appeal lies in the consistency, whereas baseship is the word they're using right now. It might at least be worth a note in the article about the consistent usage of the newer term. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:40, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:It should be noted that, even in the original series, "baseship" and "basestar" were also used interchangably. The Colonials even use the term "Cylon battlestar" in one episode, as I recall, so nothing is really served by upsetting the status quo, since all the redirects are in place already. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:46, 13 November 2006 (CST)

Hey, I only bring this up again in light of what Bradley Thompson answered regarding the name of ships, and he actually included this ship in his answer:

:'''''"During the first season, we asked Mr. Eick for a decree on the subject: Are the Cylon vessels Base Ships or Base Stars? One word or two? He quite definitively stated that Base Ships was what they use. Of course, not everybody got the word and you'll hear both throughout the series."'''''

So it seems that the official term is "Base Ship", and that the only reason we here the other term sometimes is because the writers of some episodes were not aware of this information and used both terms.

I think that this official statement, coupled with the fact that Cylons always call their ship "Base Ship", should warrant a change in the article name. I know the words are basically interchangeable, but we should have the term that is the most official, no? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:41, 16 December 2006 (CST)
*Any Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:28, 19 December 2006 (CST)
**I know it might not seem like it matters that much, and I hate to appear anal but I do think we should go by the term that is the one they wanted to use, and would've used completely if all writers had been informed. It also gives us a chance to easier differentiate these from the old ones because their "Main Name" is different. And hence we only need to call it "Base Ship". --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:40, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::However, they are labeled "basestar" on DRADIS, at least as of "Exodus". -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 01:56, 21 December 2006 (CST)

=="Encounters With Colonial Fleet"==
Should we change the name of this section to "Appearances" since now that Baltar is over there we have a lot more on the Baseships without it necessarily being an encounter with the Colonial fleet. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:27, 16 November 2006 (CST)

== Basestar modifications ==

Should there be some mention of how all the basestars seen after "Exodus Part II" have a different appearance? Many details are different, such as the window pattern in the central hub, the hull pattern in the sections between the arms, more "pronounced" raider bays, and rows of what look like guns on the arms? -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 00:55, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:If we do, we should add it in a BTS section since the change isn't supposed to actually "happen". I asked Bradley Thomspon on the matter about a month ago [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques#New_Baseship_Design], and this is what he said-

: '''''"We're always upgrading the imagery (compare the Centurions from Season 1 to those of Season 3, for example). Gary Hutzel, Mike Gibson and the VFX crew decided to echo the internal design elements of the base ship on the exterior"'''''

:So it seems that the change is actually a retcon for the Base Ship appearance. They also seem to be smaller than the other Base Ships, which is why I wondered if maybe it was a new Base Ship model, but it seems it's just a retcon and they officially have always looked like this. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)

*Hey, I added the comment to the notes section. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Talk:Basestar (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-12-21T06:55:14Z

Kingfisher: Basestar modifications

I just registered 5 minutes ago, so be gentle...
Is there any reason why the references to BattleStar's and Raiders are neither capitalized, or links?

: Hi! Welcome to the Wiki -- I hope you have a blast here! :-) Anyway, to address your question, Battlestar can be spelled one of two ways ("Battlestar" or "battlestar"). ("BattleStar" is an incorrect spelling, by the way.) As for raiders, you can capitalize them or not; it's similar to writing the "stealth fighter" or "naval carrier" -- you can choose whether or not to capitalize the first letters of each word. As for the links, by default the first letter of any article is capitalized. Why? It's just how the software we use works. :-) Hope that answers your question! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:54, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I noticed that Kuralyov had a number of Talk entries regarding basestars. Was he just tweaking the language?

:Just redirects from the various names used to describe Basestars, so any newcomer will be better able to find it via search. [[User:68.9.113.183|68.9.113.183]] 22:23, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)
::Whoops, I was logged out for some reason when I posted that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:24, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Corrected minor spelling mistake - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 18 February, 2006

I'm not sure if the new bulleted list works or not. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:39, 22 March 2006 (CST)

: Each bulleted segment refers to a specific instance of an encounter between depicted Colonial forces and (a) Cylon basestar(s). The section title of "Encounters With the Colonial Fleet", and the way that the material was structured when I initiated the edit, implied that this was a list of some kind, at least a loosely associated one. The material that was there was also grammatically sloppy, overly detailed in some areas, and vague in others. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:47, 22 March 2006 (CST)

::You did a good job re-editing it, I'm just "not sure" it's best to keep it as a bulleted list, I don't know if this would be "aesthetically pleasing" or whatever. Point is I'm not sure; I dunno, just bringing up the point; whatever you guys decide I'm fine with; wouldn't be a problem if it stays the way Hawke left it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:17, 23 March 2006 (CST)

== TOS Basestar ==

Can someone please add a some information about the original basestar.

: See the first line of the article, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

Question. If the Cylons rebelled against mankind (an open rebellion on all twelve colonies, with the Cylons previously having been servants of mankind) where did they get the resources, time, and infrastructure to build basestars? There would have to be massive shipyards to accommodate building them, and then it would probably take well over a year to build even one, which strikes me as being something hard to accomplish when you're busy serving mankind. Seems like mankind might notice?

[[User:UNATCO]] 04:30, 29 November 2006 (PST)
:In the original series the Cylons were no created by man and instead were made by an alient race. The original basestar seen in the miniseries is more liikely to be a homage rather than actual canon of their past. However even if it was the original war went on for a number of years. The cylons can been seen in paintings to be using swords, its not like they decided one day to build basestars and pummel into the colonials. It had also been many many years between the time when the Cylons left the colonies and the attack in the miniseries, plenty of time to build an army and basestars. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:45, 29 November 2006 (CST)

: It's possible that the basestars were created to be used by Cylons, since it's been hinted at that the Colonies were at war with one another prior to the Cylon rebellion. Also, this may very well address the question of how the battlestars came into existence as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:57, 29 November 2006 (CST)

== Image placement ==

So, rather than a revert war: I had shifted one of the images on this page to the left for balance. That's the scheme that's used on many character pages and I think it looks best. However, Bane Grievver seems to disagree but reverted without comment, so I'm soliciting one here. Any particular reason, Bane, or just because that's how it was before? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:30, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:I liked it your way, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I just made it what I'd imagine your way was in ignorance of the previous revert issue. I also added another image on the right, so hopefully that will remove any objection. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:01, 31 March 2006 (CST)

== 792? ==

Maybe I'm being dense, but how do you count the number of launch slots with such certainty? I could understand a Zoic source, I suppose, but just counting leaves me less sure. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:03, 31 March 2006 (CST)

:Isn't it from the official magazine? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:50, 29 November 2006 (CST)

::It's listed in the Official (now defunct) Magazine in the June/July issue. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:27, 29 November 2006 (CST)

==Images linked to in article==
As the wiki doesnt count the images linked in this article to be counted as being used I have thumbed them here so that they will not be deleted.
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<br/>--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:50, 3 April 2006 (CDT)
:Placed images in new gallery feature so removed from Talk page --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 08:39, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

==Size==
Do Basestars really 'dwarf' Battlestars like the Pegasus and Galactica? Personally I think that they do, thats just the feel I get for them, but the truth is that I can't find any really good comparisons of a Battlestar and Basestar close togther. Theres a scene from Ressurectin Ship Pt. 2 where Apollo is drifting in space and you can see a Basestar and the two Battlestars, but the perspective is such that you can't really tell the size of them. Are theyre any concrete numbers on Basestar size, or at least some good comparisons?[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 22:32, 11 June 2006 (CDT)

When Pegasus rams one in the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Pegasus actually appears noticeably larger in comparison, or at least in bulk. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:32, 25 November 2006 (CST) [[Image:Pegaus_Ram.jpg|Pegaus_Ram.jpg]]

In looking at the above image, just how is it that basestars "dwarf" battlestars as a whole (Galactica maybe, but not Pegasus)? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 14:03, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:I think the fact that there's debate should be enough to remove the word "dwarf", at least for the meantime. If the difference in size were that stark there'd be no debate.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 15:36, 26 November 2006 (CST)

==Heavy Raiders?==
Do we have proof that Basestars field Heavy Raiders? I don't really recall any Basestars launching Heavy Raiders. If I recall correctly, every time we've seen Heavy Raiders, they've been self powered. And as for Scattered, that Heavy Raider wasn't seen launching from the Basestar, and thusly could have come in under its own power. I'd suggest that until we see Heavy Raiders launching from Basestars, we don't take an assumption as fact. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:04, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Heavy Raiders, however, have been seen flying next to Basestars deep in space. I personally would assume that the Heavy Raider was launched from the Basestar itself rather than accompanied it all the way from the Cylon Homeworld --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:20, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::And, I think it's a good assumption, but I'm saying that we shouldn't take it as fact. I added a small note to the page saying Heavy Raiders are likely. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:24, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Actually, we do know they dock in Basestars. In KLGII, when Boomer and Racetrack land inside the Basestar Hangar, some of the Landing Bays neighbouring the one they dock on have Heavy Raiders in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:12, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
:No less then seven Heavy Raiders have been launched from a basestar in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 01:51, 20 December 2006 (CST)

==Numbers==
I'm not sure, but did we ever get any comments on the size of the Cylon Fleet? Wasn't there a comment in a podcast or something, I think I recall it, but I am unsure. If anyone knows if they've mentioned numbers anywhere, I think it would be great for the article, since we can keep a "kill" count, or something. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:22, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

The exact number of Basestars is unknown, but I would place a guess of there being at '''least''' 50 of them. If the Cylons did decide the Colonial Fleet was superior to theirs, it might suggest there were at the least not enough Basestars to match the approx 120 Battlestars [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:24, 25 November 2006 (CST)

==Article Name==
Hey, we all know that the terms "Baseship" and "Basestar" are basically interchangeable, but I've noticed that in all the new season, everytime we hear the Cylons refer to their ships they call them "Baseships" and they've never called it "Basestar". Maybe, considering the actual creators use that term more, we should change the main article name to Baseship? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:14, 12 November 2006 (CST)
*For that matter, how many times have the colonials called it a "basestar"? If I recall, they haven't used it so much. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:The Cylons prefer "baseship," but we hear either from the Colonial's side. I don't think a move is particularly useful, especially when there are redirects for the same term, no matter what series. "Basestar" also works because of its RDM ship's star shape. As this is also a homage to TOS, best to leave it be. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:36, 12 November 2006 (CST)
::Well I was just thinking, maybe the article should have the "main name" that is used by it's creators. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:27, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:::Its called a basestar because thats its original series name. Everyone knows its a basestar but we also know what the Cylons mean when they refer to a a baseship. Keep the name basestar imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:24, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::::True, but I found it odd that the only name the Cylons ever use is "Baseship", even if for us it's the same thing, the fact that they've never used the term "Basestar" made me wonder if perhaps these ships are mainly referred to as "Baseship", while "basestar" is a nickname also commonly associated, though not the actual name of the ship class. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:::::In the most recent podcasts RDM has definitely favored baseship over basestar. He seems to use them interchangably though, and baseship is a bit easier to say. I can't testify to the use of the word in-show, though a quick search of the episode transcripts could verify its use. Even with its prevalent "baseship" usage, "basestar"'s appeal lies in the consistency, whereas baseship is the word they're using right now. It might at least be worth a note in the article about the consistent usage of the newer term. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:40, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:It should be noted that, even in the original series, "baseship" and "basestar" were also used interchangably. The Colonials even use the term "Cylon battlestar" in one episode, as I recall, so nothing is really served by upsetting the status quo, since all the redirects are in place already. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:46, 13 November 2006 (CST)

Hey, I only bring this up again in light of what Bradley Thompson answered regarding the name of ships, and he actually included this ship in his answer:

:'''''"During the first season, we asked Mr. Eick for a decree on the subject: Are the Cylon vessels Base Ships or Base Stars? One word or two? He quite definitively stated that Base Ships was what they use. Of course, not everybody got the word and you'll hear both throughout the series."'''''

So it seems that the official term is "Base Ship", and that the only reason we here the other term sometimes is because the writers of some episodes were not aware of this information and used both terms.

I think that this official statement, coupled with the fact that Cylons always call their ship "Base Ship", should warrant a change in the article name. I know the words are basically interchangeable, but we should have the term that is the most official, no? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:41, 16 December 2006 (CST)
*Any Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:28, 19 December 2006 (CST)

=="Encounters With Colonial Fleet"==
Should we change the name of this section to "Appearances" since now that Baltar is over there we have a lot more on the Baseships without it necessarily being an encounter with the Colonial fleet. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:27, 16 November 2006 (CST)

== Basestar modifications ==

Should there be some mention of how all the basestars seen after "Exodus Part II" have a different appearance? Many details are different, such as the window pattern in the central hub, the hull pattern in the sections between the arms, more "pronounced" raider bays, and rows of what look like guns on the arms? -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 00:55, 21 December 2006 (CST)