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Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2008-03-25T23:42:37Z

Kev:

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I certainly hope he isn't. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:56, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Cylon or not he'll most likely be a "baddie", cus the actor always is. lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:49, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually it's '''Romo Lampkin'''.
:::http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr
:::--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 07:00, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::Yeah, I was only about 90% certain about the exact pronunciation of his name when I listened to the podcast. That's why I didn't feel I should create this page and only posted it on [[The Son Also Rises]]--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Sauron18... a "lawyer" would be a perfect fit for a Cylon. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:24, 6 January 2007 (CST)

:Well, does he look like any of [[:Image:Final_Five.jpg|these guys]]? Anyway, it's certainly not a bet I'd take! Though I think it would be cooler if, as a force of evil, he was human but somehow in cahoots with the Cylons, rather like Morden from Babylon 5. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)
::Please please please ignore what the final five look like in that picture! They are only standins used for the promotional image and are never seen on screen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:53, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::My apologies. I knew those five were only stand-ins; I should have qualified that so as not to lead anyone astray. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 08:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)
Hey, page authors: spoilers from hidden fields on this page are showing up in Google right now! If you Google "Romo Lampkin" you'll see them, even though they're not visible on this page. And Google searches don't have spoiler warnings so guys, maybe you should get rid of those hidden fields altogether and wait till the facts have been revealed? I've already been spoiled now myself but I'm not mad. I'm not removing the fields because it's really up to you. But I thought you should be aware. --[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 06:45, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:Interesting. However, please refer to our [[BW:SP|spoiler policy]], which should address your questions on the subject. Typically any "spoilers" are pretty well sourced, so the facts are revealed, per se, just not in the episode itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing me at the policy page. I am a little new here so apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. My concern is that these spoilers are in HTML hidden fields, so it seems that they may not be intended to be visible to anyone, even to page viewers who have been warned. Meanwhile, anyone doing a casual Google search on Lampkin will see the spoiler right away (it's only the 6th result on the page). In other words, you can see spoilers on Google that page viewers themselves can't see (without a view source anyway). If that is still consistent with the policy, fine - as I said I'm not particularly exercised about it but I just thought you should know. Love the site, by the way.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 07:57, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:::Boy do I feel silly now! Those so-called "spoilers" appear in hidden fields on EVERY character page! If I believed them, then every character is both a "humanoid cyclon" and "an original series cylon." So I was making a fuss about what is essentially hidden boilerplate text. Thanks for being patient with me throughout this funny little situation.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 14:15, 12 March 2007 (EST)
::::No problem, njgreen! :-) Actually, this is interesting... We'll have to look into it, to see what we can do about it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I know Matt Cutts at Google is head of the department that basically ensures we all get the information we need out of our searches through various search algorithms, etc.. I wonder if dropping him and his team an email would be of benefit? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Well, I hardly think Google is about to change their indexing scheme for little old us. If we really want to suppress certain text from appearing in indexed search results, one solution is to embed the relevant text in a bit of Javascript which merely prints the text with <tt>document.write</tt> (this could be done easily with a template). I'm fairly confident that the indexed search result will ''not'' evaluate Javascript from a source page; if this weren't true, we'd be seeing random pop-ups on Google search query pages. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Parallels to real world? ==

Given the similarities in name and role as a crusader for the undefended/undefendable I can't help but think Romo's character is, at least to some extent, inspired by the real world [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] whose plight is extensively documented in Samatha Power's book: [http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/0060541644 A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide].--[[User:Fendant|Fendant]] 03:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
: I think you mean [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] (no p in the surname). --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Indeed, noted above. Thanks --[[User:Fendant|Fendant]] 03:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

==Lampkin's Colony==
I was actually thinking he's from Aerelon. He has the raspy english accent that Baltar used when showing off his original accent. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 17:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, the actor is Irish and James Callis is British. It depends on whether we go by birth colony or where he lived. It was said that he worked on Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Yes, it's not clear to me what the heck Baltar's Aerelon accent was. It didn't sound particularly Irish to me, but I'm a Canadian, so my understanding of Irish/British accents is not great. On a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerelon Wikipedia article on the Twelve Colonies], someone claimed it was a Yorkshire accent. That sounds at least plausible to me.
: It would make some sense if the Aerelon dialect were Irish. Both places have a history of repression by larger powers. Plus, Michael Hogan's Northern/Eastern Ontario accent has traces of Irish influence, and since [[Saul Tigh]] is most recently from Caprica but originally from Aerelon, you could rationalize his accent as being Caprican with Aerelon influences. I wonder, if actor's accents are consistently used to represent in-story linguistic differences, what will we see when ''Galactica'' finally meets the Thirteenth Tribe? A few thousand years is a lot of time for linguistic innovation. Will they be speaking Swedish or Saskrit or something? --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::I think Tigh's Aerelon ancestry, which was only revealed in the BSG Magazine, has been overruled by his comments in "[[The Woman King]]" which reeked of Caprican nationalism. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:It seems that a Northern English/Irish/Scottish accent is typically aerelon, as opposed to an American accent used throughout the other colonies. Baltar's native tongue is definitely attempting to be Northern England (compare with Christopher Eccleston's Dr Who) with a hint of Irish; and this guy's doing a similar accent. I've adjusted the infobox accordingly. [[User:Kev|Kev]] 17:53, 25 March 2008 (CDT) (From Yorkshire :) )
::Of course it's pretty ridiculous to ascribe a single accent to an entire planet. In reality, countries don't have a single accent to begin with, and even regions in one country can have different accents and dialects. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:04, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
::As opposed to how most of the Human race in BSG have an American accent? ;) Yes, I agree we're clutching at straws here - but do you know that the Aerelon colony covers an entire planet, or is it the size of Jamaica? [[User:Kev|Kev]] 18:41, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

== His accent ==

Does anyone know what was with Mark Sheppard's accent? He's from London but he had a (bad) Dublin accent in the show. Was there any official comment on this?--[[User:Johnny 0|Johnny 0]] 14:30, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:He spoke like that in Firefly too, while born in London he is of an Irish-German background. this would explain the accent. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:07, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Cleanup ==
Anyone know why this was marked for cleanup? I'm feelin froggy tonight and may try to get some projects done :)--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:06, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
: Well, I tagged it because I felt it needed to be visited by the [[BW:CON|concision fairy]]. Content is good, it just needs to be revised for better flow, me thinks. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 21:41, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:: Ok...that's what I was suposed to have gone to school for(which doesn't mean anything!), so I'll do it :) --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 23:45, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2008-03-25T23:41:49Z

Kev:

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I certainly hope he isn't. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:56, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Cylon or not he'll most likely be a "baddie", cus the actor always is. lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:49, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually it's '''Romo Lampkin'''.
:::http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr
:::--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 07:00, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::Yeah, I was only about 90% certain about the exact pronunciation of his name when I listened to the podcast. That's why I didn't feel I should create this page and only posted it on [[The Son Also Rises]]--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Sauron18... a "lawyer" would be a perfect fit for a Cylon. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:24, 6 January 2007 (CST)

:Well, does he look like any of [[:Image:Final_Five.jpg|these guys]]? Anyway, it's certainly not a bet I'd take! Though I think it would be cooler if, as a force of evil, he was human but somehow in cahoots with the Cylons, rather like Morden from Babylon 5. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)
::Please please please ignore what the final five look like in that picture! They are only standins used for the promotional image and are never seen on screen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:53, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::My apologies. I knew those five were only stand-ins; I should have qualified that so as not to lead anyone astray. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 08:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)
Hey, page authors: spoilers from hidden fields on this page are showing up in Google right now! If you Google "Romo Lampkin" you'll see them, even though they're not visible on this page. And Google searches don't have spoiler warnings so guys, maybe you should get rid of those hidden fields altogether and wait till the facts have been revealed? I've already been spoiled now myself but I'm not mad. I'm not removing the fields because it's really up to you. But I thought you should be aware. --[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 06:45, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:Interesting. However, please refer to our [[BW:SP|spoiler policy]], which should address your questions on the subject. Typically any "spoilers" are pretty well sourced, so the facts are revealed, per se, just not in the episode itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing me at the policy page. I am a little new here so apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. My concern is that these spoilers are in HTML hidden fields, so it seems that they may not be intended to be visible to anyone, even to page viewers who have been warned. Meanwhile, anyone doing a casual Google search on Lampkin will see the spoiler right away (it's only the 6th result on the page). In other words, you can see spoilers on Google that page viewers themselves can't see (without a view source anyway). If that is still consistent with the policy, fine - as I said I'm not particularly exercised about it but I just thought you should know. Love the site, by the way.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 07:57, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:::Boy do I feel silly now! Those so-called "spoilers" appear in hidden fields on EVERY character page! If I believed them, then every character is both a "humanoid cyclon" and "an original series cylon." So I was making a fuss about what is essentially hidden boilerplate text. Thanks for being patient with me throughout this funny little situation.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 14:15, 12 March 2007 (EST)
::::No problem, njgreen! :-) Actually, this is interesting... We'll have to look into it, to see what we can do about it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I know Matt Cutts at Google is head of the department that basically ensures we all get the information we need out of our searches through various search algorithms, etc.. I wonder if dropping him and his team an email would be of benefit? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Well, I hardly think Google is about to change their indexing scheme for little old us. If we really want to suppress certain text from appearing in indexed search results, one solution is to embed the relevant text in a bit of Javascript which merely prints the text with <tt>document.write</tt> (this could be done easily with a template). I'm fairly confident that the indexed search result will ''not'' evaluate Javascript from a source page; if this weren't true, we'd be seeing random pop-ups on Google search query pages. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Parallels to real world? ==

Given the similarities in name and role as a crusader for the undefended/undefendable I can't help but think Romo's character is, at least to some extent, inspired by the real world [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] whose plight is extensively documented in Samatha Power's book: [http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/0060541644 A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide].--[[User:Fendant|Fendant]] 03:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
: I think you mean [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] (no p in the surname). --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Indeed, noted above. Thanks --[[User:Fendant|Fendant]] 03:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

==Lampkin's Colony==
I was actually thinking he's from Aerelon. He has the raspy english accent that Baltar used when showing off his original accent. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 17:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, the actor is Irish and James Callis is British. It depends on whether we go by birth colony or where he lived. It was said that he worked on Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Yes, it's not clear to me what the heck Baltar's Aerelon accent was. It didn't sound particularly Irish to me, but I'm a Canadian, so my understanding of Irish/British accents is not great. On a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerelon Wikipedia article on the Twelve Colonies], someone claimed it was a Yorkshire accent. That sounds at least plausible to me.
: It would make some sense if the Aerelon dialect were Irish. Both places have a history of repression by larger powers. Plus, Michael Hogan's Northern/Eastern Ontario accent has traces of Irish influence, and since [[Saul Tigh]] is most recently from Caprica but originally from Aerelon, you could rationalize his accent as being Caprican with Aerelon influences. I wonder, if actor's accents are consistently used to represent in-story linguistic differences, what will we see when ''Galactica'' finally meets the Thirteenth Tribe? A few thousand years is a lot of time for linguistic innovation. Will they be speaking Swedish or Saskrit or something? --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::I think Tigh's Aerelon ancestry, which was only revealed in the BSG Magazine, has been overruled by his comments in "[[The Woman King]]" which reeked of Caprican nationalism. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:It seems that a Northern English/Irish/Scottish accent is typically aerelon, as opposed to an American accent used throughout the other colonies. Baltar's native tongue is definitely attempting to be Northern England (compare with Christopher Eccleston's Dr Who) with a hint of Irish; and this guy's doing a similar accent. I've adjusted the infobox accordingly. [[User:Kev|Kev]] 17:53, 25 March 2008 (CDT) (From Yorkshire :) )
::Of course it's pretty ridiculous to ascribe a single accent to an entire planet. In reality, countries don't have a single accent to begin with, and even regions in one country can have different accents and dialects. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:04, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
::As opposed to how most of the Human race in BSG have an American accent? ;) Yes, I agree we're clutching at straws here - but do you know that the Aerelon covers an entire planet, or is it the size of Jamaica? [[User:Kev|Kev]] 18:41, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

== His accent ==

Does anyone know what was with Mark Sheppard's accent? He's from London but he had a (bad) Dublin accent in the show. Was there any official comment on this?--[[User:Johnny 0|Johnny 0]] 14:30, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:He spoke like that in Firefly too, while born in London he is of an Irish-German background. this would explain the accent. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:07, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Cleanup ==
Anyone know why this was marked for cleanup? I'm feelin froggy tonight and may try to get some projects done :)--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:06, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
: Well, I tagged it because I felt it needed to be visited by the [[BW:CON|concision fairy]]. Content is good, it just needs to be revised for better flow, me thinks. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 21:41, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:: Ok...that's what I was suposed to have gone to school for(which doesn't mean anything!), so I'll do it :) --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 23:45, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2008-03-25T22:58:55Z

Kev:

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I certainly hope he isn't. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:56, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Cylon or not he'll most likely be a "baddie", cus the actor always is. lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:49, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually it's '''Romo Lampkin'''.
:::http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr
:::--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 07:00, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::Yeah, I was only about 90% certain about the exact pronunciation of his name when I listened to the podcast. That's why I didn't feel I should create this page and only posted it on [[The Son Also Rises]]--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Sauron18... a "lawyer" would be a perfect fit for a Cylon. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:24, 6 January 2007 (CST)

:Well, does he look like any of [[:Image:Final_Five.jpg|these guys]]? Anyway, it's certainly not a bet I'd take! Though I think it would be cooler if, as a force of evil, he was human but somehow in cahoots with the Cylons, rather like Morden from Babylon 5. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)
::Please please please ignore what the final five look like in that picture! They are only standins used for the promotional image and are never seen on screen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:53, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::My apologies. I knew those five were only stand-ins; I should have qualified that so as not to lead anyone astray. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 08:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)
Hey, page authors: spoilers from hidden fields on this page are showing up in Google right now! If you Google "Romo Lampkin" you'll see them, even though they're not visible on this page. And Google searches don't have spoiler warnings so guys, maybe you should get rid of those hidden fields altogether and wait till the facts have been revealed? I've already been spoiled now myself but I'm not mad. I'm not removing the fields because it's really up to you. But I thought you should be aware. --[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 06:45, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:Interesting. However, please refer to our [[BW:SP|spoiler policy]], which should address your questions on the subject. Typically any "spoilers" are pretty well sourced, so the facts are revealed, per se, just not in the episode itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing me at the policy page. I am a little new here so apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. My concern is that these spoilers are in HTML hidden fields, so it seems that they may not be intended to be visible to anyone, even to page viewers who have been warned. Meanwhile, anyone doing a casual Google search on Lampkin will see the spoiler right away (it's only the 6th result on the page). In other words, you can see spoilers on Google that page viewers themselves can't see (without a view source anyway). If that is still consistent with the policy, fine - as I said I'm not particularly exercised about it but I just thought you should know. Love the site, by the way.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 07:57, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:::Boy do I feel silly now! Those so-called "spoilers" appear in hidden fields on EVERY character page! If I believed them, then every character is both a "humanoid cyclon" and "an original series cylon." So I was making a fuss about what is essentially hidden boilerplate text. Thanks for being patient with me throughout this funny little situation.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 14:15, 12 March 2007 (EST)
::::No problem, njgreen! :-) Actually, this is interesting... We'll have to look into it, to see what we can do about it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I know Matt Cutts at Google is head of the department that basically ensures we all get the information we need out of our searches through various search algorithms, etc.. I wonder if dropping him and his team an email would be of benefit? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Well, I hardly think Google is about to change their indexing scheme for little old us. If we really want to suppress certain text from appearing in indexed search results, one solution is to embed the relevant text in a bit of Javascript which merely prints the text with <tt>document.write</tt> (this could be done easily with a template). I'm fairly confident that the indexed search result will ''not'' evaluate Javascript from a source page; if this weren't true, we'd be seeing random pop-ups on Google search query pages. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Parallels to real world? ==

Given the similarities in name and role as a crusader for the undefended/undefendable I can't help but think Romo's character is, at least to some extent, inspired by the real world [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] whose plight is extensively documented in Samatha Power's book: [http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/0060541644 A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide].--[[User:Fendant|Fendant]] 03:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
: I think you mean [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] (no p in the surname). --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Indeed, noted above. Thanks --[[User:Fendant|Fendant]] 03:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

==Lampkin's Colony==
I was actually thinking he's from Aerelon. He has the raspy english accent that Baltar used when showing off his original accent. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 17:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, the actor is Irish and James Callis is British. It depends on whether we go by birth colony or where he lived. It was said that he worked on Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Yes, it's not clear to me what the heck Baltar's Aerelon accent was. It didn't sound particularly Irish to me, but I'm a Canadian, so my understanding of Irish/British accents is not great. On a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerelon Wikipedia article on the Twelve Colonies], someone claimed it was a Yorkshire accent. That sounds at least plausible to me.
: It would make some sense if the Aerelon dialect were Irish. Both places have a history of repression by larger powers. Plus, Michael Hogan's Northern/Eastern Ontario accent has traces of Irish influence, and since [[Saul Tigh]] is most recently from Caprica but originally from Aerelon, you could rationalize his accent as being Caprican with Aerelon influences. I wonder, if actor's accents are consistently used to represent in-story linguistic differences, what will we see when ''Galactica'' finally meets the Thirteenth Tribe? A few thousand years is a lot of time for linguistic innovation. Will they be speaking Swedish or Saskrit or something? --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::I think Tigh's Aerelon ancestry, which was only revealed in the BSG Magazine, has been overruled by his comments in "[[The Woman King]]" which reeked of Caprican nationalism. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:It seems that a Northern English/Irish/Scottish accent is typically aerelon, as opposed to an American accent used throughout the other colonies. Baltar's native tongue is definitely attempting to be Northern England (compare with Christopher Eccleston's Dr Who) with a hint of Irish; and this guy's doing a similar accent. I've adjusted the infobox accordingly. [[User:Kev|Kev]] 17:53, 25 March 2008 (CDT) (From Yorkshire :) )

== His accent ==

Does anyone know what was with Mark Sheppard's accent? He's from London but he had a (bad) Dublin accent in the show. Was there any official comment on this?--[[User:Johnny 0|Johnny 0]] 14:30, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:He spoke like that in Firefly too, while born in London he is of an Irish-German background. this would explain the accent. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:07, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Cleanup ==
Anyone know why this was marked for cleanup? I'm feelin froggy tonight and may try to get some projects done :)--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:06, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
: Well, I tagged it because I felt it needed to be visited by the [[BW:CON|concision fairy]]. Content is good, it just needs to be revised for better flow, me thinks. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 21:41, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:: Ok...that's what I was suposed to have gone to school for(which doesn't mean anything!), so I'll do it :) --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 23:45, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Romo Lampkin

2008-03-25T22:58:14Z

Kev:

{{Character Data
|photo= Romo Lampkin.jpg
|age=
|colony= Uncertain. Known to have worked on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], but possibly of [[Aerelon]] descent
|birthname= Romo Lampkin
|callsign=
|seen= The Son Also Rises
|death=
|parents= Described as "missing"
|siblings=
|children=
|marital status= Previously married
|role= Public defender
|rank=
|actor= [[Mark Sheppard]]
|cylon=
|name=
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'''Romo Lampkin''' is a highly capable, though ethically questionable, lawyer in the [[the Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. He is a [[Wikipedia:kleptomania|kleptomaniac]] with tendencies of deception and psychological lying. Lampkin was an understudy of [[Joseph Adama]], a man whom he hates, yet respects.

Prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], he worked in the public litigation office on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], where he likely met and studied under Adama. His parents were kidnapped, robbed and murdered when he was nine. He was previously married for a period of 10 years, his only remaining possession he has from the marriage is a [[Lance|cat]] whom he claims to dislike, but the cat does not "scratch or bite like [[Romo Lampkin (wife of)|she]] did".

Lampkin is assigned as [[Gaius Baltar]]'s lawyer after the previous lawyer, [[Alan Hughes]], is killed in a bombing of [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]'s [[Raptor]]. He claims to take the case because of fame and glory and, despite questions raised about his previous experience, appears insufferably self-confident and pompous.

Amongst his behaviors, Lampkin claims that interrogation rooms give him "[[w:stage fright|stage fright]]". He also tends to channel his kleptomania by stealing objects he believes are important from a psychological perspective, for instance he steals [[Laura Roslin]]'s glasses, believing that it would make her appear less serious during the trial. As a psychological trick, Romo Lampkin typically wears a pair of sunglasses, which he takes off or lowers when he wants his subject to look him in his uncovered eyes.

As Lampkin is Baltar's lawyer, he is also a target of two attacks carried out by Captain [[Aaron Kelly]], with Lampkin being injured in the last, after the door to his room was wired with an explosive device. Consequently Lampkin walks with a cane ([[The Son Also Rises]]).

When the prosecuting lawyer, [[Cassidy]], presents a haunting account of mankind's dwindling numbers, Lampkin changes Baltar's plea to "guilty". In another controversial and unusual move, he gets Lee Adama, who joined Lampkin after having a falling out with his father, to take the stand and testify on Baltar's behalf. Adama delivers an empassioned testimony about the Fleet's ways to let people off the hook and the reasons why Baltar is tried nonetheless. Adama's testimony plays a key role in his subsequent acquittal. As Lampkin takes his leave of Adama after the trial, he leaves back his cane and walks without a limp; thus showing how he manipulated Adama and the court ([[Crossroads, Part I]] and [[Crossroads, Part II|Part II]]).

== Notes ==

* The name "Romo" comes from the first two letters of [[Ronald D. Moore]]'s first and last names, although [[David Eick]] believes that the name is a nod to [[w:Dallas Cowboys|Dallas Cowboys]] starting quarterback [[w:Tony Romo|Tony Romo]].<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Son Also Rises Bonus|act=|id=|timestamp=~00:01:05|totalrunning=~00:47:39}}</ref>
* Romo Lampkin was originally envisioned as a "55-year old [[w:Alan Dershowitz|Alan Dershowitz]] character".<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Son Also Rises Bonus|act=|id=|timestamp=~00:11:42|totalrunning=~00:47:39}}</ref>

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Romo Lampkin

2008-03-25T22:56:54Z

Kev:

{{Character Data
|photo= Romo Lampkin.jpg
|age=
|colony= Uncertain. Known to have worked on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], but possibly of [[Aerelon (RDM)|Aerelon]] descent
|birthname= Romo Lampkin
|callsign=
|seen= The Son Also Rises
|death=
|parents= Described as "missing"
|siblings=
|children=
|marital status= Previously married
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'''Romo Lampkin''' is a highly capable, though ethically questionable, lawyer in the [[the Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. He is a [[Wikipedia:kleptomania|kleptomaniac]] with tendencies of deception and psychological lying. Lampkin was an understudy of [[Joseph Adama]], a man whom he hates, yet respects.

Prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], he worked in the public litigation office on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], where he likely met and studied under Adama. His parents were kidnapped, robbed and murdered when he was nine. He was previously married for a period of 10 years, his only remaining possession he has from the marriage is a [[Lance|cat]] whom he claims to dislike, but the cat does not "scratch or bite like [[Romo Lampkin (wife of)|she]] did".

Lampkin is assigned as [[Gaius Baltar]]'s lawyer after the previous lawyer, [[Alan Hughes]], is killed in a bombing of [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]'s [[Raptor]]. He claims to take the case because of fame and glory and, despite questions raised about his previous experience, appears insufferably self-confident and pompous.

Amongst his behaviors, Lampkin claims that interrogation rooms give him "[[w:stage fright|stage fright]]". He also tends to channel his kleptomania by stealing objects he believes are important from a psychological perspective, for instance he steals [[Laura Roslin]]'s glasses, believing that it would make her appear less serious during the trial. As a psychological trick, Romo Lampkin typically wears a pair of sunglasses, which he takes off or lowers when he wants his subject to look him in his uncovered eyes.

As Lampkin is Baltar's lawyer, he is also a target of two attacks carried out by Captain [[Aaron Kelly]], with Lampkin being injured in the last, after the door to his room was wired with an explosive device. Consequently Lampkin walks with a cane ([[The Son Also Rises]]).

When the prosecuting lawyer, [[Cassidy]], presents a haunting account of mankind's dwindling numbers, Lampkin changes Baltar's plea to "guilty". In another controversial and unusual move, he gets Lee Adama, who joined Lampkin after having a falling out with his father, to take the stand and testify on Baltar's behalf. Adama delivers an empassioned testimony about the Fleet's ways to let people off the hook and the reasons why Baltar is tried nonetheless. Adama's testimony plays a key role in his subsequent acquittal. As Lampkin takes his leave of Adama after the trial, he leaves back his cane and walks without a limp; thus showing how he manipulated Adama and the court ([[Crossroads, Part I]] and [[Crossroads, Part II|Part II]]).

== Notes ==

* The name "Romo" comes from the first two letters of [[Ronald D. Moore]]'s first and last names, although [[David Eick]] believes that the name is a nod to [[w:Dallas Cowboys|Dallas Cowboys]] starting quarterback [[w:Tony Romo|Tony Romo]].<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Son Also Rises Bonus|act=|id=|timestamp=~00:01:05|totalrunning=~00:47:39}}</ref>
* Romo Lampkin was originally envisioned as a "55-year old [[w:Alan Dershowitz|Alan Dershowitz]] character".<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Son Also Rises Bonus|act=|id=|timestamp=~00:11:42|totalrunning=~00:47:39}}</ref>

== References ==

{{WikiFrakr|Bono Napkin}}

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Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2008-03-25T22:53:31Z

Kev:

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I certainly hope he isn't. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:56, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Cylon or not he'll most likely be a "baddie", cus the actor always is. lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:49, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually it's '''Romo Lampkin'''.
:::http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr
:::--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 07:00, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::Yeah, I was only about 90% certain about the exact pronunciation of his name when I listened to the podcast. That's why I didn't feel I should create this page and only posted it on [[The Son Also Rises]]--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Sauron18... a "lawyer" would be a perfect fit for a Cylon. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:24, 6 January 2007 (CST)

:Well, does he look like any of [[:Image:Final_Five.jpg|these guys]]? Anyway, it's certainly not a bet I'd take! Though I think it would be cooler if, as a force of evil, he was human but somehow in cahoots with the Cylons, rather like Morden from Babylon 5. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)
::Please please please ignore what the final five look like in that picture! They are only standins used for the promotional image and are never seen on screen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:53, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::My apologies. I knew those five were only stand-ins; I should have qualified that so as not to lead anyone astray. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 08:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)
Hey, page authors: spoilers from hidden fields on this page are showing up in Google right now! If you Google "Romo Lampkin" you'll see them, even though they're not visible on this page. And Google searches don't have spoiler warnings so guys, maybe you should get rid of those hidden fields altogether and wait till the facts have been revealed? I've already been spoiled now myself but I'm not mad. I'm not removing the fields because it's really up to you. But I thought you should be aware. --[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 06:45, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:Interesting. However, please refer to our [[BW:SP|spoiler policy]], which should address your questions on the subject. Typically any "spoilers" are pretty well sourced, so the facts are revealed, per se, just not in the episode itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing me at the policy page. I am a little new here so apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. My concern is that these spoilers are in HTML hidden fields, so it seems that they may not be intended to be visible to anyone, even to page viewers who have been warned. Meanwhile, anyone doing a casual Google search on Lampkin will see the spoiler right away (it's only the 6th result on the page). In other words, you can see spoilers on Google that page viewers themselves can't see (without a view source anyway). If that is still consistent with the policy, fine - as I said I'm not particularly exercised about it but I just thought you should know. Love the site, by the way.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 07:57, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:::Boy do I feel silly now! Those so-called "spoilers" appear in hidden fields on EVERY character page! If I believed them, then every character is both a "humanoid cyclon" and "an original series cylon." So I was making a fuss about what is essentially hidden boilerplate text. Thanks for being patient with me throughout this funny little situation.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 14:15, 12 March 2007 (EST)
::::No problem, njgreen! :-) Actually, this is interesting... We'll have to look into it, to see what we can do about it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I know Matt Cutts at Google is head of the department that basically ensures we all get the information we need out of our searches through various search algorithms, etc.. I wonder if dropping him and his team an email would be of benefit? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Well, I hardly think Google is about to change their indexing scheme for little old us. If we really want to suppress certain text from appearing in indexed search results, one solution is to embed the relevant text in a bit of Javascript which merely prints the text with <tt>document.write</tt> (this could be done easily with a template). I'm fairly confident that the indexed search result will ''not'' evaluate Javascript from a source page; if this weren't true, we'd be seeing random pop-ups on Google search query pages. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Parallels to real world? ==

Given the similarities in name and role as a crusader for the undefended/undefendable I can't help but think Romo's character is, at least to some extent, inspired by the real world [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] whose plight is extensively documented in Samatha Power's book: [http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/0060541644 A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide].--[[User:Fendant|Fendant]] 03:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
: I think you mean [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] (no p in the surname). --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Indeed, noted above. Thanks --[[User:Fendant|Fendant]] 03:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

==Lampkin's Colony==
I was actually thinking he's from Aerelon. He has the raspy english accent that Baltar used when showing off his original accent. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 17:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, the actor is Irish and James Callis is British. It depends on whether we go by birth colony or where he lived. It was said that he worked on Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Yes, it's not clear to me what the heck Baltar's Aerelon accent was. It didn't sound particularly Irish to me, but I'm a Canadian, so my understanding of Irish/British accents is not great. On a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerelon Wikipedia article on the Twelve Colonies], someone claimed it was a Yorkshire accent. That sounds at least plausible to me.
: It would make some sense if the Aerelon dialect were Irish. Both places have a history of repression by larger powers. Plus, Michael Hogan's Northern/Eastern Ontario accent has traces of Irish influence, and since [[Saul Tigh]] is most recently from Caprica but originally from Aerelon, you could rationalize his accent as being Caprican with Aerelon influences. I wonder, if actor's accents are consistently used to represent in-story linguistic differences, what will we see when ''Galactica'' finally meets the Thirteenth Tribe? A few thousand years is a lot of time for linguistic innovation. Will they be speaking Swedish or Saskrit or something? --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::I think Tigh's Aerelon ancestry, which was only revealed in the BSG Magazine, has been overruled by his comments in "[[The Woman King]]" which reeked of Caprican nationalism. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:It seems that a Northern English/Irish/Scottish accent is typically aerelon, as opposed to an American accent used throughout the other colonies. Baltar's native tongue is definitely attempting to be Northern England (compare with Christopher Eccleston's Dr Who) with a hint of Irish; and this guy's doing a similar accent [[User:Kev|Kev]] 17:53, 25 March 2008 (CDT) (From Yorkshire :) )

== His accent ==

Does anyone know what was with Mark Sheppard's accent? He's from London but he had a (bad) Dublin accent in the show. Was there any official comment on this?--[[User:Johnny 0|Johnny 0]] 14:30, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:He spoke like that in Firefly too, while born in London he is of an Irish-German background. this would explain the accent. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:07, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Cleanup ==
Anyone know why this was marked for cleanup? I'm feelin froggy tonight and may try to get some projects done :)--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:06, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
: Well, I tagged it because I felt it needed to be visited by the [[BW:CON|concision fairy]]. Content is good, it just needs to be revised for better flow, me thinks. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 21:41, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:: Ok...that's what I was suposed to have gone to school for(which doesn't mean anything!), so I'll do it :) --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 23:45, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Kev

2008-03-25T22:41:20Z

Kev:

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==

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== Episode Questions ==
Seeing that you are a new user, I thought that I would follow up on why your edits to ''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'' was reverted. The questions section of an episode have very narrow guidelines listed [[Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions#Questions_Section | here]]. Don't get discouraged it took awhile for the me to learn the ropes :-). -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:51, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
:Well, I didn't revert it exactly. I reworded it a bit and moved it to analysis, for which it is perfectly fine. In short, the questions section is for short, relatively simple questions that don't require any arguing. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:00, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
::Thanks for clarifying my clarification ;-) -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 10:54, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I appreciate you explaining this [[User:Kev|Kev]] 17:41, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

You Can't Go Home Again

2008-03-24T15:38:02Z

Kev:

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== Overview ==

: ''Continuing from the events of "[[Act of Contrition]]", Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and Captain [[Lee Adama]] risk the security of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] as they try to locate a downed Starbuck...''

== Summary ==

* [[Kara Thrace]] is missing following a dogfight with [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] ([[Act of Contrition]]). While he was forced out of the fight, [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] is convinced her [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] was not destroyed.
* [[William Adama|Adama]] immediately orders a search started, and [[Lee Adama]] leads it in a Viper.
* On the surface of a small moon, Starbuck awakes to find herself being dragged by a strong wind catching her parachute. Before she can cut herself free of the parachute lines, which have tangled about her legs, she is dragged a considerable distance, smashing her knee in the process.
* When the initial space search fails to locate Starbuck’s Viper, [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] suggests she may be on a [[Red Moon|moon orbiting the gas giant]]. Adama orders a low-level search of the moon’s surface. At the same time he accepts an offer from [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] to have the ships of the Fleet continue the space search. Lt. Gaeta calculates that Starbuck has around 46 hours of air left in her oxygen tanks.
* [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] is worried that if they remain in the area too much longer, the Cylons might find them.
* Aware she is probably being searched for, Starbuck determines to try and make her way to high ground, where she stands a better chance of being seen. Along the way, she asks the [[Lords of Kobol]] for help, and comes across a downed [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]] from the confrontation leading to her crash.
* As the search of the moon continues, the dust-laden atmosphere begins to have its effect on the [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s Vipers: 13 are grounded due to mechanical problems. The constant flying is causing other problems: ''Galactica''’s fuel reserves for her fighters are being used at an alarming rate.
* Tigh also points out that the Fleet is now spread right across the star system, leaving it vulnerable to attack should the Cylons show up.
* On the moon, Starbuck is determined to make the Raider space-worthy, and sets about accessing it – only to find it is bio-mechanical: inside the vehicle is a mass of organs, veins and tubes.
* As time passes, Adama and Lee further risk the Fleet by pulling in the [[Combat Air Patrol|CAP]] Vipers to assist with the search.
* When the timer in the [[CIC]] indicates Starbuck’s air has (presumably) expired, Adama continues the search, relieving Tigh of his duties when he challenges the order.
* With her air supply all but gone, Starbuck manages to find an oxygen supply hose in the Raider and seals the insides of the vehicle so she can breathe. She then sets out trying to work out how the Raider flies.
* As Lee and Adama continue to monitor the search of the moon, Roslin arrives on ''Galactica''. Determined to put a stop to things, she challenges both Adama and Lee concerning their single-mindedness and the way it is putting the survival of the fleet and mankind at risk.
* Realising they have perhaps gone too far, Adama calls off the search and orders the Fleet readied to [[FTL|jump]].
* With the Fleet successfully away, ''Galactica'' is about to jump herself when a Cylon Raider appears. Vipers are prepped for launch, however a malfunction with ''Galactica'''s launch tubes allows only Capt. Adama's Viper to launch.
* Making contact with the Raider, Lee discovers the truth – Starbuck is piloting the Raider; she used tape to write her name on the bottom of the Raider and flew formation with Lee's Viper. He escorts her back to ''Galactica'', where she lands and is taken to [[sickbay]].
* Visiting her in sickbay later, Adama congratulates her on her performance – an indirect way of letting her know she is forgiven for Zak.

===On Caprica===
* [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Valerii]] are still hiding in the “fallout shelter”, but Helo determines they must move on.
* [[Cylon Centurion]]s arrive, apparently conducting a search. A fight ensues.
* Helo is knocked unconscious, and when he awakens, Valerii is gone.

== Notes ==
*[[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] are bio-mechanical in nature, and their biomass uses a breathable, oxygen-rich mix suitable for humans.
*[[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are atmosphere-capable - indeed, it appears they may have been regularly used in the atmospheres of Colonial worlds, given they are equipped with a parachute.
*Vipers can be refueled in space (and presumably in relatively calm atmospheres).
* Starbuck's damaged Viper disintegrates around her upon re-entry, compelling her to eject. The Raider that she disables and forces down on the moon is, when she finds it, notably space-worthy.
*Colonial [[flight suit]]s are capable of full life support, both planet-side (Starbuck) and in space ([[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]]). In the case of Vipers, the back section of the pilot’s seat appears in effect to be a life-support backpack that detaches from the rest of the seat following ejection.
*[[Raptor]] cabins can be depressurized and repressurized (Hot Dog's rescue), adding to their versatility.
*[[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] has the same image that the pilots touch when leaving the Ready Room.
*Colonials play billiard pool.
*The messy organic interior of the Raider was inspired by the ''[[w:Alien (film series)|Alien]]'' series, according to [[David Eick]] on the DVD commentary.
* The scene where [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], in a Cylon Raider, shakes off [[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s attack is remarkably similar to a scene from the Original Series ("[[The Hand of God (TOS)|The Hand of God]]") in which [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]] avoid being shot down in a Cylon Raider by waggling their wings.
*Baltar is requisitioning something that requires the President's authorization – the use of one of [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s nuclear warheads for his research.
*[[William Adama]] is capable of letting personal feelings rise above professional duty.

== Analysis ==
*On Caprica, the Cylons have apparently stepped up their manipulations of Helo a notch: and they appear determine to test / increase his feelings for Valerii. "Love", and possibly "procreation" seems to be at the heart of their manipulations. The evidence for this comes from the last few episodes:
**'''[[Water]]''': Helo scans the airwaves, failing to find any other signals. Caprica-Sharon makes a comment about them being the only two people left on the planet, and the way she says it makes it hard to keep the words “Adam and Eve” from popping into one’s head – especially with all the other religious motifs that have surrounded our insight into Cylon aims (even if they are from "Six’s" perspective);
**'''[[Water]]''': Helo is obviously attracted to Caprica-Sharon, as evidenced by his embarrassment following the "spontaneous" hug she gives him when they first hear the radio broadcast. Sharon’s disappearance seems to be the first Cylon attempt to accentuate Helo’s feelings for her;
**'''[[Act of Contrition]]''': as a result of the (clearly-planted) "radio broadcast", they come across a fully-equipped radiation shelter, which does not appear to have been used, and which is more than cozily set-up for a long duration stay for two people;
**This episode: when Helo suggests they pack up and leave the shelter, Sharon’s look is, for a moment, distinctly odd, and she challenges him with a slightly sultry "Unless you can think of a reason to stay here." Valerii’s comment seems calculated to give Helo an opportunity to express a physical interest in her. Her disappointment is evident when he says they should move on;
**This episode: no sooner is the decision made to move on than Cylon Centurions turn up. The ensuing firefight leaves Helo unconscious, but (surprisingly) alive;
**This episode: when Helo revives, Caprica-Sharon is gone, and he’s no longer thinking about leaving the planet – he’s only concerned with what has happened to Sharon.
*During the fight in the restaurant, the Cylon Centurion clearly makes only a token attempt to kill Helo – although it does a pretty good job of shooting up the kitchen as a whole. Helo is surprisingly incurious about his survival. His concern about Caprica-Sharon's disappearance seems to overwhelm any suspicion. Besides, unlike the viewers, Helo has simply been given no outside reason to suspect that the Cylons want to keep him alive and that he is in an "experiment" of theirs. However, as Season 1 progresses Helo ''does'' start to gradually suspect that something is amiss.
*This episode seems to suggest a subtle demarcation between Baltar's hallucinatory Number Six and the other Cylons. Previously, she has referred to them as "we" – implying she is still a part of them. Here she refers to the Cylons very much in the third person: "they". Is this indicative of a possible shift in her loyalties, that the Cylons truly are totally unaware of her presence, or is she simply manipulating Baltar?
*Are all Cylons bio-mechanical? Probably not, as Helo puts a shot straight through the head of a Cylon Centurion. If any organic matter were contained therein, one would expect blood and/or gore to exit the wound. This does not appear to be the case.

== Questions ==

*With almost 50% of fuel reserves gone, can ''Galactica'' obtain additional supplies to keep her Vipers flying? ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|Answer]])
*What use will be made of the captured Raider? ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Answer]])
*How many more Cylon spacecraft include biological elements in their design? ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Answer]])
*Will Helo now go in search of the “missing” Valerii? ([[Litmus|Answer]])
*Will he question why the Cylon Centurion left him unconscious in the restaurant, rather than taking him prisoner? ([[Colonial Day|Answer]])
*Did the Cylons develop bio-mechanical capabilities first in a basic form with the Raiders, before going on to develop the humanoid constructs? ([[Hybrid|Partial answer]])
*When did Starbuck write her name on the underside of the Cylon raider?
** The moon has sub-zero temperatures and she cut up her flight suit to plug the holes in the raider; so it couldnt have been after she made the raider operational.
** Did she write it on before she knew if she could make it fly?Could a human fit underneath a raider, given no apparent landing gear?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Bear McCreary]] discusses the "Cylon Theme" and its relation to this episode:''
: "This theme was originally performed using pots, pans and [[toaster]]s for the metallic effects. It was composed before I had seen 'You Can't Go Home Again', which includes a scene where Helo battles centurions in a cafe kitchen and bullets ricochet off pots, pans and a toaster!"<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blog013.htm|title=The Themes of Battlestar Galactica, Part II|date=10 November 2006|accessdate=25 November 2006|last=McCreary|first=Bear|format=blog|language=English}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] to the crashed [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]:''

:'''Starbuck''': Are you... alive?

*''Starbuck upon entering the crashed Cylon Raider:''

:'''Starbuck''': You bite me, I'll bite you back.

*''The Adamas discuss their recent actions:''
:'''[[Lee Adama|Apollo]]''': I want you to know, I think [[Laura Roslin|she]]'s wrong. I think we have come to terms with what happened to [[Zak Adama|Zak]]. 
:'''[[William Adama]]''': I haven't. 
:'''Apollo''': I need to know something: Why did you do this? Why did we do this? Is it for Kara? For Zak? For what? 
:'''Adama''': Kara was family. You do whatever you have to do. Sometimes you break the rules. 
:'''Apollo''': And if it was me down there instead? 
:'''Adama''': You don't have to ask that. 
:'''Apollo''': Are you sure? 
:'''Adama''': If it were you... we'd never leave. 

*''The confrontation between Commander [[William Adama|Adama]], [[Lee Adama|Apollo]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]], and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] over the [[SAR]] mission for [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]:''
:'''Tigh:''' (walking in with Roslin) President Roslin. 
:'''Adama:''' Madam President. 
:'''Roslin:''' Skip the formalities. You both know [[Skirmish over the Red Moon|why I'm here]]. 
:'''Adama:''' Termination of a [[Kara Thrace|pilot]]'s rescue mission is a military decision. 
:'''Roslin:''' That's a bunch of crap. It's not military. It's personal. Neither of you can let go of Kara Thrace because she's you're [[Act of Contrition|last link]] to [[Zak Adama|Zak]]. 
:'''Apollo:''' You don't know anything about my brother. 
:'''Roslin:''' Don't even begin, Captain. You've lost perspective, as have [[William Adama|you]]. Under normal circumstances, it would just be sad that the two of you can't come to terms with Zak's death. In this situation, you are putting your pilots at risk, and you're exposing the entire [[The Fleet (RDM)|fleet]] to possible attack every moment we stay here. 
:'''Adama:''' We've been at risk of an attack since [[Miniseries|day one]]. [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] won't be missing their patrol for at least one more day. 
:'''Roslin:''' (steps closer to Adama) Colonel Tigh. How much aviation [[Tylium|fuel]] has been expended in this operation? 
:'''Tigh:''' Forty-three percent of reserves. 
:'''Roslin:''' Almost half. That's unacceptable. An operation into the [[Red Moon|moon]]'s atmosphere that has put one third of [[Lee Adama|your]] fighters out of action. That is also completely unacceptable. 
:'''Adama:''' Crap. Unacceptable. Whatever you feel about this, the recovery of one pilot is a military matter.
:'''Roslin:''' All right. It's military. Fine. And you're both officers. And you're both honorable men. And you're both perfectly aware you are putting the lives of over [[The Fleet (RDM)|45,000 people]] and the future of this civilization at risk for your personal feelings. Now, if it's the two of you, of all people, that can live with that, than the human race doesn't stand a chance. Clear your heads. (leaves the room). 

== Guest stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Alonso Oyarzun]] as Specialist [[Socinus]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]

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