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Rescue on Caprica

2009-02-17T04:49:46Z

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{{Battle Data
| Image=Caprica from orbit.jpg
| Description=Rescue on Caprica
| Conflict=[[Cylon attack|Second Cylon war]]
| Date=Day 231
| Place=[[Caprica]]
| Result=[[Cylons]] completely abandon Caprica for unknown reasons, Caprican survivors evacuated
| Combatant 1=Remanents of [[Colonial fleet]]
[[Caprica Resistance]]
| Combatant 2=[[Cylons]]
| co=[[Kara Thrace]]
[[Samuel Anders]]
[[Sharon Agathon]]
| co=[[Basestar command]]
| strength 1=At least 6 [[Raptors]],
Colonial Soldiers,
[[Caprica Resistance]]
| strength 2=[[Cylon centurions]],
Mortars
| shiploss 1=None
| shiploss 2=Few centurions
| casualties 1=Few injured, possibly 1 dead
| casualties 2=Few centurions
}}
A rescue team sent by [[Galactica]] to [[Caprica]] had met with survivors in an unknown woods and had been pinned down by Cylons [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]] and retreated to a old stone fortress and then the bombardment had stopped. They have waited 18 hours but then discover that Cylons had left permanently and the [[Cavil]] had mysteriously appeared and claimed that the Cylons had left forever. They left back to [[Galactica]] and Caprica was completely abandoned.

Talk:Rescue on Caprica/Archive 1

2009-02-17T04:46:12Z

KDP3: New page: Page needs a clean up.--~~~~

Page needs a clean up.--[[User:KDP3|KDP3]] 04:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Rescue on Caprica

2009-02-17T04:45:42Z

KDP3:

{{Battle Data
| Image=Caprica from orbit.jpg
| Description=Rescue on Caprica
| Conflict=[[Cylon attack|Second Cylon war]]
| Date=Day 231
| Place=[[Caprica]]
| Result=[[Cylons]] completely abandon Caprica for unknown reasons, Caprican survivors evacuated
| Combatant 1=Remanents of [[Colonial fleet]]
[[Caprica Resistance]]
| Combatant 2=[[Cylons]]
| co=[[Kara Thrace]]
[[Samuel Anders]]
[[Sharon Agathon]]
| co=[[Basestar command]]
| strength 1=At least 6 [[Raptors]],
Colonial Soldiers,
[[Caprica Resistance]]
| strength 2=[[Cylon centurions]],
Mortars
| shiploss 1=None
| shiploss 2=Few centurions
| casualties 1=Few injured, possibly 1 dead
| casualties 2=Few centurions
}}
A rescue team sent by [[Galactica]] to [[Caprica]] had met with survivors in an unknown woods and had been pinned down by Cylons [[Lay down your burdens, part 1]] and retreated to a old stone fortress and then the bombardment had stopped. They have waited 18 hours but then discover that Cylons had left permanently and the [[Cavil]] had mysteriously appeared and claimed that the Cylons had left forever. They left back to [[Galactica]] and Caprica was completely abandoned.

Battle of the Resurrection Hub

2008-06-10T13:25:25Z

KDP3:

{{Battle Data
|image=
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon Civil War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|3 years]] after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]
|place=[[Sector Delta 9]]
|result= Decisive Colonial/Cylon rebel victory, destruction of [[Resurrection Hub]], one copy of [[Number Three]] unboxed
|combatant1=[[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]], a detachment of ''[[Galactica]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s air wing
|combatant2=Cylon loyalists
|co1=[[Number Eight]], Captain [[Karl Agathon]] President [[Laura Roslin ]]
|co2=[[Number One|Cavil]], [[Sharon Valerii]]
|strength1=1 [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]<br/>At least 25 Vipers, several [[Raptors]], at least 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s
|strength2=[[Resurrection Hub]]<br/>2 basestars<br/>Associated [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s
|shiploss1=1 Raptor damaged. Basestar damaged. Several Vipers.
|shiploss2=Resurrection Hub, 2 basestars
|casualties1=[[Eammon Pike]] and his [[ECO]], Sandman.
|casualties2=Heavy
|prev=[[Cylon Civil War#First Blood|Ambush on Cylon rebels]]
|next=None
|series=RDM
}}

The '''Battle of the Resurrection Hub''' is a joint operation between Colonial forces and Cylon rebels to destroy the Cylon [[Resurrection Hub]].

== Background ==

After the ''[[Demetrius]]'' returns with the Cylon rebel leader [[Natalie]], she proposes and alliance between the rebels and the Colonials. She offers the humans the chance to destroy the Cylon's central [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] facility. In return she want help to unbox [[Number Three]] and learn what she knows about the [[Final Five]]. In preparation, half of ''[[Galactica]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s air wing is transferred to the basestar. However, before the plan can be put into action [[Sharon Agathon]] kills Natalie. Simultaneously, [[Laura Roslin]] has the rebel [[Hybrid]] reconnected, who unexpectedly jumps the ship away ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]).

== Battle ==

The Hybrid is revealed to have panicked after sensing Natalie's shooting and death and jumped as a result. She follows the Hub with her jumps, still giving the combined force a chance to implement their plan. To prevent an early detection by the enemy, the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are running with their engines and electronics cold, instead being towed by [[Heavy Raider]]s piloted by [[humanoid Cylon]]s. The human pilots are initially very reluctant to fly alongside the Cylons and be so heavily dependent on them, but a [[Number Eight]] convinces them to place the same trust in her as they do in [[Sharon Agathon]].

Once the cables are cut, the Vipers attack and a [[Raptor]] flown by Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]] disables the Hub's [[FTL]] drive with two missiles, thus stranding it. [[Karl Agathon]] and the Eight then board the Hub in a Raptor to find Number Three, who has already been unboxed by [[Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. They find her after she has killed Cavil and forced Boomer to run and take her to the Raptor and off the Hub. Meanwhile, the rebel basestar engages the two escort basestars, but [[Gaius Baltar]] is badly wounded when two missiles strike the ship. Once Three, Agathon and Number Eight are clear of the Hub, the Vipers launch several nuclear missiles into it, destroying it and at least one of its basestar escorts ([[The Hub]]).

== Aftermath ==

With the Hub being vital to the functioning of all other [[Resurrection Ship|resurrection ships]] and downloading facilities, the Cylons are now truly mortal, which is welcomed by the rebels, but feared by the mainstream of Cylon society. In addition, [[D'Anna Biers]] is the only Three left, since all other copies of are consciousness were destroyed on the Hub.

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Battle of the Resurrection Hub

2008-06-10T07:43:57Z

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{{Battle Data
|image=
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon Civil War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|3 years]] after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]
|place=Interstellar space, specific location unknown
|result= Decisive Colonial/Cylon rebel victory, destruction of [[Resurrection Hub]]
|combatant1=[[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]], a detachment of ''[[Galactica]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s air wing
|combatant2=Cylon loyalists
|co1=[[Number Eight]], Captain [[Karl Agathon]]
|co2=[[Number One|Cavil]], [[Sharon Valerii]]
|strength1=1 [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]<br/>At least 25 Vipers, several [[Raptors]], at least 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s
|strength2=[[Resurrection Hub]]<br/>2 basestars<br/>Associated [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s
|shiploss1=1 Raptor damaged. Basestar damaged. Likely loss of several Vipers
|shiploss2=Resurrection Hub, 2 basestars
|casualties1=[[Eammon Pike]] and his [[ECO]], Sandman
|casualties2=Enormous
|prev=[[Cylon Civil War#First Blood|Ambush on Cylon rebels]]
|next=None
|series=RDM
}}

The '''Battle of the Resurrection Hub''' is a joint operation between Colonial forces and Cylon rebels to destroy the Cylon [[Resurrection Hub]].

== Background ==

After the ''[[Demetrius]]'' returns with the Cylon rebel leader [[Natalie]], she proposes and alliance between the rebels and the Colonials. She offers the humans the chance to destroy the Cylon's central [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] facility. In return she want help to unbox [[Number Three]] and learn what she knows about the [[Final Five]]. In preparation, half of ''[[Galactica]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s air wing is transferred to the basestar. However, before the plan can be put into action [[Sharon Agathon]] kills Natalie. Simultaneously, [[Laura Roslin]] has the rebel [[Hybrid]] reconnected, who unexpectedly jumps the ship away ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]).

== Battle ==

The Hybrid is revealed to have panicked after sensing Natalie's shooting and death and jumped as a result. She follows the Hub with her jumps, still giving the combined force a chance to implement their plan. To prevent an early detection by the enemy, the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are running with their engines and electronics cold, instead being towed by [[Heavy Raider]]s piloted by [[humanoid Cylon]]s. The human pilots are initially very reluctant to fly alongside the Cylons and be so heavily dependent on them, but a [[Number Eight]] convinces them to place the same trust in her as they do in [[Sharon Agathon]].

Once the cables are cut, the Vipers attack and a [[Raptor]] flown by Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]] disables the Hub's [[FTL]] drive with two missiles, thus stranding it. [[Karl Agathon]] and the Eight then board the Hub in a Raptor to find Number Three, who has already been unboxed by [[Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. They find her after she has killed Cavil and forced Boomer to run and take her to the Raptor and off the Hub. Meanwhile, the rebel basestar engages the two escort basestars, but [[Gaius Baltar]] is badly wounded when two missiles strike the ship. Once Three, Agathon and Number Eight are clear of the Hub, the Vipers launch several nuclear missiles into it, destroying it and at least one of its basestar escorts ([[The Hub]]).

== Aftermath ==

With the Hub being vital to the functioning of all other [[Resurrection Ship|resurrection ships]] and downloading facilities, the Cylons are now truly mortal, which is welcomed by the rebels, but feared by the mainstream of Cylon society. In addition, [[D'Anna Biers]] is the only Three left, since all other copies of are consciousness were destroyed on the Hub.

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Talk:Escape Velocity/Archive 1

2008-04-28T03:20:10Z

KDP3:

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== The Lord of Kobol reference ==

During the service by Chief Tyrol he utters the like "...and the Lords of Kobol, as many and as varied as mortal men..."

Could this be taken literally, and suggest some new connection between the Colonials and the Lords of Kobol? It feels like the sort of cryptic clue the writes would drop in.

12 Colonies, 12 Cylon models, and perhaps 12 Gods? {{unsigned|DarthS}}
:The bajillionth time, nobody has ever said there are only 12 Lords of Kobol. There are 12 Olympians in greek mythology, but that doesn't even include some of the most prominent deities, such as Poseidon or Hades. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poseidon is one of them, but not Hades, who belongs to a group of deities and figures associated with the underworld. But the Greeks did not just worship the Olympians. The Colonials don't have to either, in regards to the Lords of Kobol. But yeah, there is a general consensus of who the Olympians are, but that changed with time and region. Different cities and regions sometimes worshiped different gods -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== Analysis re. Adama's book reading ==

I noticed there was a comment on the Analysis section about Adama reciting the passage, even though he said they were to the part he hadn't read before. Actually, he states that they are ''getting'' to the part he hasn't passed before, so they hadn't actually reached it yet, so if anything, these would be the parts he would remember the most, since it would be where he always stops after.

If anything, it seems like some double-symbolism could be read in to the fact that he would always stop reading after that particular passage...

(I don't know how to edit the page itself, or even if it's appropriate to, hence why I wanted to comment here instead).

[[User:MathewBurrack|MathewBurrack]] 19:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, that's how I saw it too. He doesn't say that he hasn't read that particular bit yet. As for editing the page, just click on "edit" at the top, next to "discussion" which you presumably used to get here. And don't be afraid of making changes, as they can be easily undone if something goes wrong. Though it's a good idea to discuss potentially contentious issues and big changes first, this a relatively minor thing. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== [[Virtual Six]] ==
Before posting analysis or question, did Virtual Six finally exhibited an actual physical manifestation when standing up Baltar in front of the guard? In the past, her effects could be explained away. Thoughts, opinions?-- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:It seems the most extreme so far, but we've seen apparently physical interaction between her and Baltar before. She has pushed him into mirrors or walls for example. Though his contortions are hard to pull of alone, it might not be impossible. They had to film it somehow and I guess Callis did it alone. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::His feet actually came off the ground at one point while his body was still limp. I think he was being pulled up by wires. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 05:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Huh? They never showed his feet, so there's no way of telling that. I think there would have been gasps of astonishment from everyone if he was actually levitating instead of just standing and walking funny. It's certainly possible to move like that by yourself, I've tried. Really, I don't see what the big deal about this is. This isn't any different from Six shoving him into a wall or even grabbing his tie. If you need an idea for how an "imaginary friend" could do this kind of thing, check out the parking garage fight in Fight Club, where Tyler drags the narrator around, throws him down stairs, etc. [[User:INH|INH]] 13:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Uncredited actors ==
At least two actors with speaking parts are uncredited. One is the leader of Sons of Eris (although he does look a bit similar to the [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine guard|Marine guard]] to me - can anyone confirm or deny?) and "Mr. Officious" (nicknamed so by Baltar), the guy who investigates the scene of the assault. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 22:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
: You mean the [[Sons of Ares]] right? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sure, too much [[wikipedia:Principia Discordia|Principia Discordia]]. :) Anyway, the question still stands. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Officious looks like the leader of the sons of ares to me. That my two cents--[[User:KDP3|KDP3]] 03:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== "Offshoot Religions" comment ==

During the Quorum meeting, one of the delegates mentions that the laws against Baltar's group assembling could also be applied to other minority religions, noting especially that Baltar's teachings seemed similar to that of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraic_Mysteries "Mithras Followers"], a real-world religion which was contemporaneous with, and a rival of, early christianity. The existence of another Colonial religion taken from our history and apparently not centered on the Lords of Kobol or the Cylon God may be another clue about how the Colonials fit in with Earth. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 05:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Delany Stadium ==

In the scene where Adama sits with Tyrol at [[Joe's bar]], there seems to be a poster for "Delan(e)y Stadium" behind Adama. Anyone else noticed that?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 18:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:My...erm copy isn't of high enough quality to really read it, but now that you point it out. Maybe a reference to [[Dana Delany]] (though it seems to be written as "Delaney")? -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I can't really make out what the poster says on Hulu, but I'm guessing it has to do with [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]].--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 19:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Battle of the Ionian Nebula

2008-04-21T02:56:15Z

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__NOTOC__
{{Battle Data
| name=Battle of the Ionian Nebula
| image= Ionian Nebula.png
| description= Cylons forces ambush the mysteriously crippled Colonial Fleet
| conflict= [[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon War]]
| date=Shortly after [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial
| place= The [[Ionian nebula]]
| result= Heavy Colonial losses, Cylon withdrawal, Cylon Civil war
| combatant1= Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
| combatant2= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
| co1= Admiral [[William Adama]]
| co2= [[basestar command]]
| strength1= ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', associated [[Vipers]] and [[Raptors]]<br/>
| strength2=
Four [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]], approx. 200 [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] and [[Heavy Raider]]s<br>
| shiploss1= ''[[Pyxis]]'' destroyed, ''[[Space Park]]'' severely damaged, ''[[Astral Queen]]'' slightly damaged
| shiploss2= Numerous Raiders
| casualties1= 600 civilians on ''[[Pyxis]]''. 1,100 deaths on other ships<ref>The [[survivor count]] in the credits decreases by 1,700, accounting for the deaths during the teaser. The majority of the 1,100 additional deaths likely occurs on the ''Space Park'', but other ships are hit too.</ref>.
| casualties2=None
| prev=[[Battle of the Algae Planet]]
| next=[[Battle of the Basestars]]
| series=RDM
}}
Upon jumping into the Ionian system, the entire [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] suddenly loses power and becomes dead in space. As the ships drift aimlessly, four Cylon basestars jump into the nebula and begin launching Raiders. By the time power is restored to ''Galactica'' and the civilian ships, the Raiders are already inbound and the Fleet is incapable of jumping to safety before they close to firing distance.

== Events leading up to the battle ==

During the power outage [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] begin to aimlessly wander the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering the lyrics to a [[The Music|mysterious song]], having heard it in their heads for the past few days. When all four arrive in the same room and see each other they realize that they are actually Cylons themselves. When the alert is sounded, they resolve to continue serving in the roles they did when they believed they were human. Tyrol returns to the flight deck, Anders heads for his Viper and Tigh and Foster head for the [[CIC]] and return to the sides of Admiral Adama and President Roslin.

During the scramble to get the alert Vipers launched, [[Lee Adama]], now a civilian after resigning from the military just before Baltar's trial, returns to his quarters and breaks out his helmet and flight suit and joins the fight. While intercepting the incoming waves of Raiders he picks up an unknown contact on his Viper's [[DRADIS]] and breaks formation to investigate. The unknown contact is intermittent and toys with Adama until it pulls alongside him and reveals itself to be [[Kara Thrace]], alive and flying a spotless Viper Mk II. Thrace claims she has been to Earth and that she is here to lead the Fleet there ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

== Civilians under attack ==

''Galactica'''s Vipers and Raptors are able to stop the main force of the over 200 Raiders, but the Cylon reserves manage to break through the Colonial lines. Outgunned and with the civilian ships requiring time to spin up their FTL drives, Admiral Adama orders all available pilots out there, including inexperienced [[nugget|nuggets]] like Samuel Anders and [[Diana Seelix]].

The battle floods over the drifting Fleet, Vipers and Raiders dogfighting among the ships while ''Galactica'' puts up anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) and fires her primary batteries at the Raiders and basestars. A damaged Raider collides with the ''[[Pyxis]]'', destroying the liner and the 600 people aboard. The Cylon basestars launch a barrage of over 50 missiles, half of them targeting the civilian ships. Adama orders all Vipers and point defense batteries to concentrate on protecting the civilians, since ''Galactica'' can withstand the damage. Two missiles hit the ''[[Space Park]]'', resulting in severe damage to its ring section and many causalities, and another missile strikes the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', breaching the forward section of her hull. A missile bound for ''[[Colonial One]]'' is successfully intercepted by Seelix.

When Anders maneuvers behind a Raider chasing Seelix, it abruptly turns around, scans him with its red "eye", and breaks off. To the amazement of the Colonials, the other Raiders return to their basestars and the Cylons spin up their FTL drives to jump away. Adama seizes this opportunity and orders the fleet to withdraw ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

== Aftermath ==

The Cylons now suspect that the [[Final Five]] reside within the human fleet. Because the Raiders broke off the attack on their own volition, one group of Cylons led by [[Number One]] (Cavil) has them lobotomized to remove part of their free will. In retaliation, another group led by a [[Natalie|Six]] that advocates a search for the Five, removes the [[Telencephalic inhibitor|devices]] that enslave the Centurions, turning them on Number One's faction ([[Six of One]]).

== Notes ==

*A shot of the Fleet in space after the battle shows that ''Galactica'' has lost one of her dorsal [[Battery|batteries]]. It is unclear if this occurred earlier during the severe damage taken in the [[Battle of New Caprica]] or in this particular battle, as this episode is the first since "[[Exodus, Part II]]" to clearly show the armament in operation.

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Talk:Battle of the Ionian Nebula/Archive 1

2008-04-05T15:40:12Z

KDP3:

== Premature? ==

Isn't this a little premature? Who says there is going to be a battle. Not a single shot has been fired.
Let the writers come up with the story. The Wiki should stick to the facts.
--Axminster

:Agreed. No point in having this. For now [[Ionian nebula]] is more than enough. I'm for deletion --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:43, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

:Concur with deletion. No "battle" has yet to occur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:11, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

:Concur on deletion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:14, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Restore... ==

I have restored the battle. Now we just need to clean it up. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 19:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== The 200 Raiders ==

Lt. Gaeta said that the Vipers wipe out the Main Cylon assault (which was the 200 raiders) but the Clyon reserve forces broke though.--[[User:KDP3|KDP3]] 15:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of the Ionian Nebula/Archive 1

2008-04-05T15:39:37Z

KDP3: /* The 200 Raiders */ new section

Talk:Majahual/Archive 1

2007-12-15T20:57:44Z

KDP3: New section: Why the minning operation

==Viper Construction?==
Episode hasn't aired in pacific time yet, but did this ship actually construct 40 vipers? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:36, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:Actually, it's not a ship. It's an asteroid that contains enough metal (and a quote) for the fleet to construct up to 40 Vipers. Also, it's confirmed that a Pegasus construction facility has successfully built a new Viper about 15 minutes into the episode. They have the resources, they just haven't used them yet. I'm updating as the episode airs to pave the way for others. --Ltcrashdown 22:39, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::I see that [[User:Erik Pflueger]] has added this article to [[The Fleet (RDM)]]. Can somebody who has seen the episode please verify that edit and correct, if necessary? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:11, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::My fault I guess. I just said that it was a mining operation. It's possible that Majahual was a ship working on the asteroid field, but I'll have to watch the episode again to be sure. --Ltcrashdown 23:13, 3 February 2006 (EST)

Majahual is a mining ship. They use it to get metals they need to build Vipers. The production facilities for Vipers (well, Viper parts) are apparently on Pegasus. They aren't able to move ''fast enough'' to build all of them at once, but they have all the materials they need now. Did we ever find out how many Vipers to a squadron? Official Companion seemed to suggest 40. Anyway, it will be a while before they *finish* all of these new Vipers, but they're on their way. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:50, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Does anyone else think the name of this mining ship sounds like "Major Haul" as in "major haul of ore"?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:55, 4 February 2006 (EST)

A colonial squadron numbers 20 craft, correct? It's entirely plausible, given ''Pegasus's'' more modern design that she'd be fully capable of building her own Vipers, Raptors, munitions, etc. I mean, ''Galactica'' is considerably older (and smaller) and she has a munitions plant onboard (albeit depicted rather... sloppily, and being kinda thrown together, but that's another discussion) and an extensive and highly capable water recycling system. The ''Mercury''-class (to which ''Pegasus'' belongs) was probably intended to operate for long periods of time in battlegroups at a distance from the Colonies that hampered resupply of craft, so that capability was inbred into the design. As Ricimer pointed out, it'll take them awhile to complete all those Vipers, but they did manage to get one finished in those 29 days.
And why ''can't'' the name of the ship be ''Majahaul''? What's wrong with that? Why can't the writers have a bit of tongue-in-cheek (no matter how lame it is) and name a ship as they want to? They're the ones writing this tale... so long as they are '''consistent''', and aren't changing the name at the next episode. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 03:51, 4 February 2006 (EST)

==Time span==
How do we know it only took 29 days? Scar was killed on the 29th day, but they could have kept mining longer. In fact, when Roslin said another 9 days I'm pretty sure the scene didn't start with "216 hours ago". --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 05:19, 5 February 2006 (EST)

:Good point. Does anyone know what the time frame was for Roslins' comment? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:42, 5 February 2006 (EST)

::I checked, it's 81 hours, which is 3 days approx. So the mining took 35 days (29 - 3 + 9), assuming Roslins estimate proved accurate. It'd be fair to say about 35 days, or 5 weeks. --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 06:33, 5 February 2006 (EST)

:::Long time to be sitting around... A good opportunity for a few basestars to jump in and blow everything to hell. Perhaps the fact that Boomer was onboard the Big G had something to do with this event not occuring? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:11, 5 February 2006 (EST)

::::Or that the two basestars blown up in Res Ship were the only ones nearby. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 11:06, 5 February 2006 (EST)

:::::Good point. But the Cylons apparently knew that there were mining ops underway '''and''', by the estimate given above, they were there for 35 days! Given their ability to Jump, a raider should have relayed this intel to the Cylons. Thus my question on why the Cylons didn't simply jump in (we know that Cylon FTL tech is far more advanced by the Colonials) and destroy everything. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:53, 5 February 2006 (EST)

::::::I thought they explained that in "Res Ship Part I" pretty well; it's not just Raiders: ALL of the Cylons can now actually die, so they're afraid to send Basestars and other ships in to attack them. Right now, the Cylons are sending in a few Raiders like Scar for hit and run attacks, but on the whole, the Colonials hit them and hit them hard, so now they've pulled back and are planning their next move. In what I think is going to be a good move that can keep the show going for more seasons, the Cylons will start arguing amongst themselves over what the best course of action to take with the humans is now; developing internal factions who don't agree with each other. Basically, at least by the end of this season, they will have realized that a strategy of frontal assault isn't really working anymore, so they're going to try to use subterfuge, and split the humans against each other. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:29, 5 February 2006 (EST)

== Why the minning operation ==

Why the mining operation is not a battle?
Since Cylons did attack the Colonial forces and inflict loses on Galatica.--[[User:KDP3|KDP3]] 14:57, 15 December 2007 (CST)

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KDP3:

The stub calls the Warrior an "upgrade" of the old chrome toaster.
Given what we have seen of the inside of the BaseStar and Starbuck's Raider, isn't it likely that the Warrior is a product of the semi-organic line of Cylons?

The Warrior is, at best, the conceptual and functional sucessor to the old Centurion. A similar relationship might be found between the the M-4 Sherman tanke of World War II and the M-1A2 Abrams tank of today. Both machines do the same job, have many analogous features, but the only contributions the Sherman made to the development of the Abrams were its flaws.

Nick Kuzmik

: Actually, given that we never saw any organic matter come out of a shot Cylon Warrior, we can assume it is more robotic than organic. Obviously, this has not been stated overtly, so it is still conjecture. Therefore, it is possible that the Cylon Warrior is an "evolutionary" step to an organic-like Cylon (one with more fluid movement and flexibility) using non-organic materials. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe.Beaudoin]] (not logged in)

We need a better pic, like one from the miniseries or "33".--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:03, 24 February 2006 (EST)

== Deployed Greatly ==

What does "However, when Centurions are deployed greatly, they are deployed in huge numbers." mean? I'd delete it outright, but someone just added it, so I'd feel bad. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:56, 1 April 2006 (CST)

:I have no such compunction. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:09, 1 April 2006 (CST)

Bigger problem: what's with that ''entire'' paragraph? How do we *know* they weren't deployed in large numbers on the ground to mop up colonial units after the intial attacks? I always assumed they were, just off screen.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:46, 1 April 2006 (CST)

<blockquote>The Cylon Centurions may also have different armors. For instance, a small number of them wreaked havoc when boarding Galactica, and could only be destroyed using explosive rounds (Valley of Darkness). </blockquote>
Other than their resistance to small arms fire, there was no indication that the Centurion boarding party comprised an up-armored model, although that would not be a bad a idea considering the close and nasty fighting they could anticipate.

Comparison of the images on the Centurion page <ref>http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Cylon_Centurion_New_001.jpg</ref> and <ref>http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Centz.jpg</ref> does show evidence of modified armor. Furthermore, additional armor would reduce speed and manuverability, which creates a contradiction, as the attack on Galactica is when the Centurions were at their most nimble. I propose that this is not a matter of Cylon armor, but of Colonial <i>ammo</i>.

Its been a while... that and I don't own any of the DVD's so somebody has to help me out here...
But Helo and Boomer's "kills" on Caprica are suspect because the Cylons were playing with him. Did we ever confirm the destruction of a Centrion via Colonial Fleet sidearm fire? Or did they just fall down and play dead after getting hit with lead spitballs?

On Kobol, again, I don't recal any confirmed pistol kills, we did see some probable <i>rifle</i> kills. But a rifle with full metal jacket, ball round; heck, if I'm fighting Cylons, all I'm bringing is armor-piercing; is a very different catridge from a pistol round. By way of example, fire a full metal jacket, 9 mm Parabellum from a HK P9 pistol. Now fire that same round from an HK MP5. The MP5 will have higher muzzle velocity, longer range, greater accuracy, and greater penetration. Changed that to a necked-down micro-caliber, and a service rifle could concievably take out Centurions with the right ammo.

Which brings us to the question: "Why didn't they have the good bullets on Galactica?" Sean Connery said it oh so well in <u>Hunt For Red October</u>, "Most of the things in here don't react too well to bullets."
Shipboard security is probably issued some time of frangible round that won't over penetrate, and won't richocet too much. That also means it is pretty much uselless against armor. The limited stockpile of explosive rounds are there "just in case" they need to penetrate some armor, but the dedicated armor piercing ammo is probably stored somewhere that was not conveniently accessible.

With regards to the Cylons varried speed and intelligence, I still think that the Centurions are like the Raiders, crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside. Its also possible that the team sent to board Galactica was a group of elites. Older, more experiences, better trained. Kind of like Scar in a way...

[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 20:24, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

:You make some good speculative points based on episode history. You might want to review the article to see where you can add these questions you bring up as references or in the notes section of the article, as appropriate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:29, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

:That centurions come equipped with different armor was mentioned by Bradley Thompson in the BW:OC. They are neither organic nor sentient though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:06, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
:Yeah, I noticed the stuff about the non-sentient, non-organic stuff shortly after writing all that. I guess the if its an official source we have to accept the assorted armor thing. Though it begs the question, why not use the beefy ones more often?
[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 23:19, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
:: The Cylons are practical beings, who are limited by the amount of natural resources at their disposal. It follows that they may not need to upgrade Centurions ''en masse'' since it's not the most practical thing to do. As Six mentions in the Miniseries, they still have the old "walking chrome toaster" models around, since they have their uses. Or they may simply be limited by said resources at their disposal. After all, you don't need a heavily armored Cylon to plant tress now, do you? In addition to that question, bear in mind that Centurions also double as manual labor -- heavier armor detracts their effectiveness, even if they are machines. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 07:48, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

== Armor Hood ==
More a question of curiosity then anything else, but while I was looking at some of the pictures (especially the ones from the miniseries and those from season 3) I noticed the metal "hood" the Centurions have that covers the back of their head seems to vary in sizes. In the miniseries and the full body picture in the wiki, the hood seems to rise higher then the top of the cylon's head. But in other [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Centz.jpg shots], such as those of the Centurion garding Baltar in Collaborators, the hood seems noticeably smaller. I'm wondering if its a change in design or simply due to the positioning of the Cylon's head. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 22:40, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:It's just the positioning, the Centurions have looked the same throughought the whole series, if only looking a bit taller....but they're probably the same height too. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:51, 30 October 2006 (CST)

== Downloads and Centurions ==

We've already established that Centurions are just 'bots. No organics, presumably no downloading. While Athena may have provided the reasoning behind that, there is a good reason not to limit the Centurions that way. The best example is Scar. He was experienced, wily, and very lethal.

Now imagine how the events in Valley Darkness could have gone if there was one centurion on each team that had 1/3 of that skill and experience. I'm not saying the Centurions can't learn... but if they can learn and benefit from experience, are they smart enough to rebel later?

The smart move would be to build a Centurion around the CNS of a skin job and just download into a "combat" body when needed. But this doesn't seem possible. Recall tha tCavil had to scratch open his carotid artery with and empty shell casin.

Not sure where I'm going here but something is bugging me
[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 13:03, 11 November 2006 (CST)

== Slur/nickname sources ==
It'd look great if we could track down the episodes where the "bullethead", etc., euphemisms are used and cite them using ref tags (so that we'd actually have a references section). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:21, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:I added them directly into the article, but they are in order. Should be their first appearances, but "bullethead" and" "chrome job" have been used on other occasions too I think --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:16, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

== Height ==
Guys, how tall are Centurions? Majestic's 12-inch figure is really 13.5' (1:6) which would translate into a real-life height of 6'9' '. Others say it's more like seven or even eight feet. What do you think? -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 09:02, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

==Knowledge of the Five==
There's a line in the article which I feel we should perhaps remove-

:'''''"As with the Seven humanoids, the identities of the "Final Five" Cylons are not known to Centurions, as several soldiers have fired on these people before, notably Samuel Anders."'''''

I think this mainly because it's not a fact, and the fact is that for all we know they haven't been shooting at Anders but at his resistance people (never actually hit him), so whether they do or don't recognize the Five is not really known, and while we can guess from what we see, it's not certain. So I would suggest we just remove it to prevent any possible problems in the future. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:02, 17 October 2007 (CDT)
: I agree, since it isn't explicitly stated or inferred one way or the other. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:11, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

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KDP3:

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KDP3: New section: Laser gun?