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Rekha Sharma

2006-11-29T09:12:18Z

JohnReese: former no longer

'''Rekha Sharma''' is a film, stage and TV actor.

Her roots firmly planted in stage productions such as ''Prisoners'', Sharma has an active TV career in shows including:

* ''Smallville''
* ''Dark Angel''
* ''Da Vinci's City Hall''
* ''The L Word''
* ''John Doe''

Sharma has a role in the feature film, ''The Core'', with Hilary Swank.

Sharma plays presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]].

==External Links==

[[IMDB:nm0788907|Rekha Sharma]] at [http://www.imdb.com IMDB]

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Sharon Valerii

2006-11-24T07:57:32Z

JohnReese: /* Notes */

:''This article concerns a copy of Cylon Model [[Number Eight]] first seen on [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]], who loves [[Galen Tyrol]] and is shot by [[Cally]]. For the Number Eight first seen on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], who marries [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and becomes pregnant, see [[Sharon Agathon]]. For information about the various copies see [[Number Eight]].
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|callsign= Boomer
|seen= Miniseries
|death= Shot by [[Cally]] and reborn ("[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]")
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|siblings= None in the traditional sense (supposedly one, per photo in "[[Downloaded]]")
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'''Sharon "Boomer" Valerii''' is a copy of the Cylon human model [[Number Eight]] who is initially planted as a "sleeper" agent in the [[Colonial Fleet]]. She is unaware of her true nature and serves for two years as Lieutenant Valerii on ''Galactica'', where she is assigned as a [[Raptor]] pilot and also engaged in a secret relationship with Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]. After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], her underlying programming repeatedly emerges which leads her to unconscious acts of sabotage. Growing confusion about her true self result in a deep depression and an ultimately failed suicide attempt. After Valerii returns from a successful mission to destroy a Cylon [[basestar]], she shoots [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] in the chest, wounding him critically. She is jailed in the [[brig]] and soon afterwards killed by Specialist [[Cally]].

Her consciousness is downloaded and she is reborn in another body. Subsequently, she experiences severe problems integrating into Cylon society and long considers herself more human than Cylon. She eventually works together with [[Caprica-Six]] in an attempt to change Cylon popular opinion about humans and she emerges as one of the Cylon leaders jointly responsible for the end of the occupation of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] and later the Cylon occupation on [[New Caprica]].
== Biography ==

=== Life on Galactica ===
Initially, Valerii is a "sleeper" agent, unaware of her Cylon status. As far as she is aware, she was born on the mining colony of Troy, the daughter of a family from Aerelon ([[Flesh and Bone]]). Troy itself was destroyed in an unexplained cataclysm, allowing Valerii's background to be established as that of an orphan. Following her arrival on-board ''Galactica'', she enters into a relationship with the ship's Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]], which is against military protocols concerning fraternization between officers and non-officers. Whether this is unintentional or a subconcious reaction to her Cylon personality program is unclear.

At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], Valerii is flying her Raptor to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] with ''[[Galactica]]'s'' last remaining operational [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] squadron when they learn of the attacks and attempt to engage two [[Cylon Raider]]s. However, the Viper squadron is destroyed (their ships powered down by their tainted [[CNP]]), and the Raptor is damaged while trying to escape, forcing Valerii and [[Helo]] to make an emergency landing on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. After repairing the Raptor, they are mobbed by desperate civilians and undertake an unexpected rescue operation, lifting a number of children and adults from the planet. However, Helo chooses to give up his place aboard the Raptor so that Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] can be rescued ([[Miniseries]]).

After being found by [[Laura Roslin]]'s group of stranded military and civilian ships, Valerii works hard within the new civilian [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], assisting Laura Roslin's attempts to gather other stranded civilian ships within the space surrounding Caprica as possible. She finds a number of ships critical to the fledgling Fleet's survival (such as a fuel tanker). After the Fleet (with ''Galactica'' leading it) leaves the solar system of the Colonies, Valerii aids in other critical acts, such as the discovery of a [[tylium]]-rich asteroid, replete with an active Cylon mine ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), and locating a source of water to replenish the Fleet's lost supply after a sabotage of ''Galactica's'' stores ([[Water]]).

=== Acts of sabotage ===
[[image:sharontyrol.jpg|170px|left|Valerii and Chief Tyrol.|thumb]]
However, at the same time she is apparently supporting the Fleet, Valerii's underlying Cylon programming periodically emerges. Her Cylon programming is the cause of the sabotage ''Galactica's'' water tanks ([[Water]]). Later, she likely assists a copy of [[Aaron Doral]] to access to a munitions store. The Doral copy constructs a suicide bomb which very nearly kills [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]].

Having "awoken" to her human personality shortly after the bombs used to destroy ''Galactica's'' water tanks were planted, she finds herself soaking wet. Valerii's human personality becomes increasingly concerned that she is not all she appears. Her worry increases when she experiences a certain "attraction" to a captured [[Cylon Raider]], and is able to give insight into how it can be properly assessed and understood ([[Six Degrees of Separation]], [[Flesh and Bone]]). Her concerns are further elevated when, following the bombing by Doral, ''Galactica's'' [[Master-at-Arms]], Sergeant [[Hadrian]], suspects her and Tyrol of Cylon complicity ([[Litmus]]).

Valerii is isolated from Tyrol following this event, and he later ends their relationship following the arrest of Specialist [[Socinus]] ([[Litmus]]). Facing Tyrol's own suspicions concerning her activities immediately before the bombing, Valerii finds herself emotionally isolated and stressed. She takes the Cylon detector test created by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]. Baltar hides the positive test results to cover himself from recrimination from other Cylon agents and lies to the young lieutenant ([[Flesh and Bone]]). Valerii finds short solace in his test results but deals with increasing anonymous accusations from others when she finds the word "CYLON" written on the mirror of her locker ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]).

[[Image:Valshootadama.jpg|235px|thumb|right|Valerii shoots Commander Adama.|thumb]]
Frightened and isolated, Valerii withdraws into herself and attempts suicide, but finds herself initially unable to do so. During her second attempt, she is interrupted by Dr. Baltar who, rather than discouraging her, essentially gives her his blessing on her attempt. Following his departure from the bunkroom, Valerii succeeds in shooting herself, but her Cylon personality apparently interrupts the attempt. Valerii can only severely wound herself in the face ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

After [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] absconds with the captured Raider intended for an attack on a basestar orbiting [[Kobol]], Commander Adama orders Valerii and ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] to use a [[Cylon transponder]] in their Raptor to infiltrate the basestar and place a nuclear warhead within to destroy it. The mission is a success. However, when the weapon would not auto-release from the Raptor after landing, Valerii exits the ship and enters the basestar. Inside, she encounters a dozen copies of herself, confirming her worst fears. Valerii escapes in the Raptor while her copies caress the weapon just before it detonates and destroys the basestar. Back on ''Galactica'', her encounter with her copies on the basestar apparently forces Valerii's Cylon personality to emerge once more, with astonishing repercussions: on being congratulated for the mission, she shoots Commander Adama in the chest, critically wounding him ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

=== Imprisonment and death ===
Valerii is quickly restrained by guards and jailed in the [[brig]]. During her emprisonment, Tigh attempts to forcibly extract information from her by gunpoint. Sharon's human and Cylon personalities appear to stonewall him ([[Scattered]]). Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] is later thrown in the same brig cell by Col. Tigh, also suspected of being a Cylon. While imprisoned together, Valerii tries to convince Tyrol that her feelings for him were real and important, but he rejects her and threatens to kill her if she touched him.
[[Image:Sharondeath.jpg|235px|Valerii dies in Tyrol's arms.|right|thumb]]
Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] later enters the cell, ostensibly to collect a blood sample from Tyrol to prove his innocence using the [[Cylon detector]], but instead Baltar injects Tyrol with a potent toxin that would kill him in a matter of seconds if Baltar doesn't give him an antidote. Baltar interrogates Sharon, demanding to know how many other Cylons were in the Fleet, using the dying Tyrol to blackmail her. Valerii, near hysterics, protests that she didn't know. Baltar insists that somewhere in her subconscious mind, underneath all of her programming and false memories, she truly ''does'' know and with a stressful enough stimulus, the information would come forward. At the last second, she cries out that there were eight other Cylons in the Fleet. Baltar revives Tyrol.

Soon after, while being transferred to a new reinforced cell in the [[brig]] built to hold Cylons for later experiments, a large crowd of crewmembers jeers at her and calls her a traitor. An enraged [[Cally]] breaks through the crowd holding a gun and shoots Valerii at point-blank range. Dying in Tyrol's arms, her last words are "I love you, Chief" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

Valerii's body is sent to the morgue and autopsied. The recovered [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] visits her corpse, asking "Why?" aloud, and weeps over her body. Commander Adama gives Cally a slap on the wrist by sentencing her to only 30 days in the brig for discharging a weapon without authorization. Cally is never tried for murder since Valerii wasn't human ([[The Farm]]).

===Rebirth and life among Cylons===
[[Image:Cylon resurrection.jpg|235px|thumb|left|Valerii reborn in a new body.|thumb]]
However, Valerii's consciousness does not die. When Cally shoots Valerii, ''Galactica'' is close enough to the then-unknown Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] so that her consciousness is retrieved for download into another body. Her resurrection occurs in the Caprica city of [[Delphi]] ([[Downloaded]]). On rebirth, Valerii rejects her Cylon nature and continues to call herself "Sharon" instead of "Eight," even going so far as to reclaim her former apartment. A copy of [[Number Three]], representing the status quo of the Cylons, is deeply disturbed by this, going so far as to suggest that Sharon be "[[boxed]]."

Another "Hero of the Cylon", [[Caprica-Six]], protests vehemently, and Three advises her to get Sharon to change. When Sharon laments the loss of Tyrol, Six tells Sharon of her own love for Baltar, which prompts Sharon to inform her that Baltar is still alive. Realizing that Three has an ulterior motive, the two play along. After a [[Caprica Resistance]] bombing, Three, Sharon, and Six are trapped in a garage with [[Samuel Anders]]. Listening to the dry conversation, Six suddenly reveals the truth: "Sharon" and "Caprica" are celebrities in a culture of unity, and, through their love for human individuals, have realized the true horror of the Cylons' actions. Using their celebrity status, they could therefore convince a large portion of the rest of Cylon society of their new belief that the Cylon genocide of humanity was wrong. Valerii stops Anders from killing Three, and is shell-shocked when Six smashes Three's skull. After telling Anders to escape, Six begs Sharon to help her reveal the truth of the genocide to the other Cylons. Sharon eventually agrees, and a new path is forged ([[Downloaded]]).

Valerii starts to work with Caprica-Six and they are obviously successful in their attempt to change popular opinion among Cylons about the genocide on the human race. According to a [[Cavil]] model who is shortly imprisoned on board ''Galactica'', Valerii and Caprica-Six convinced a majority that "the slaughter of mankind was a mistake" which ultimately leads to an end of the occupation of the [[Twelve Colonies]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). One year later, Valerii is one of the leaders of the Cylon force occupying [[New Caprica]], along with Caprica-Six and a [[Number Five]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). Though her influence among other Cylons appears to have decreased quickly, most evident when she is unable to help [[Cally]] get out of detention, as Cally is about to be executed ([[Precipice]]). Their initial plan on New Caprica, "to push past the conflict that separated us from humans for so long", fails and the occupation is ended after four month ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

Currently, Valerii is believed to be on the same [[baseship]] as [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar]], but until now she has not been clearly identified among the many Eights on board the Cylon vessel ([[Hero]]).

==Notes==
*This Sharon is still referred to as the ''Galactica'' copy ('''Galactica''-Sharon'), even though she is now with the Cylons, because she was first encountered on ''Galactica''. Fans also refer to her as 'Tyrol-Sharon' (as opposed to 'Helo-Sharon') or just as 'Boomer' (as the callsign is more closely associated with her than with Caprica-Sharon, who is usually just called 'Sharon' and more recently 'Athena').
*[[Number Six]] rhetorically asks Baltar in "[[Flesh and Bone]]" why he thinks that Valerii got her callsign, "Boomer."
**As shown twice in "[[Water]]" and by her destruction of the basestar in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]," the ''Galactica'' Valerii appeared to have a penchant for blowing things up. This is inconsistent with her [[Boomer (TOS)|namesake]] from the [[TOS|Original Series]].
**Number Six could have been using sexual innuendo when she rhetorically asked why the ''Galactica'' Valerii's callsign was "Boomer." For example, regarding "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]," actress [[Grace Park]] said in interviews that she was so determined to make an enthusiastic lovemaking scene, i.e. copious amounts of moaning and the like, that when the scene director finished they flat out said their footage would have to be ''heavily'' edited.{{citation needed}}
**Alternately, this may be a script joke referring to the anime ''[[Wikipedia:Bubblegum Crisis|Bubblegum Crisis]]''. ''Bubblegum Crisis'' generally focuses on police in conflict with rogue androids with a human appearance, referred to as "[[Wikipedia:Boomer (anime term)|boomers]];" some of these are sleepers. It should be noted that [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original ''Battlestar Galactica'']] predates this usage.
**'Boomer' is also a nickname for a ballistic missile submarine. "[[Karl Agathon|Helo]]" is a similar nickname for a helicopter.
*During Season 1, ''Galactica''-Sharon parts her hair on the right side of her head, while Caprica-Sharon parts her hair on the left side of her head.

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Jane Espenson

2006-10-01T09:31:00Z

JohnReese: /* Biographical Notes */ important correction

[[Image:Jane 2004.jpg|thumb|Jane Epenson]]
== Overview ==

'''Full Name''': Jane Espenson

'''D.O.B''':

'''Position''': Writer

== Biographical Notes ==

'''Jane Espenson''' grew up in Ames, Iowa, where she admits she watched too much television. <ref> [http://www.janeespenson.com/biography.php Jane Espenson's Official Website] </ref> (''Starsky and Hutch'' was reportedly a favorite.) At age 13 she took a stab at writing an episode of ''M*A*S*H''. She attended college at UC Berkeley, studying linguistics as an undergrad and graduate student. While in grad school, she submitted spec episodes to ''Star Trek: The Next Generation''.

After winning a spot in the Walt Disney writers' fellowship (1992-93), Espenson worked in sitcoms for a number years. She is also a ''Star Trek'' alumni, having written the ''Deep Space Nine'' season 4 episode "Accession".

Her first staff job on a drama was on ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'', which she joined in the middle of Season 3. Espenson wrote 23 episodes of the show, more than any other writer besides showrunners Joss Wheldon and Marti Noxon. During her stint on Buffy, she wrote the Hugo Award-winning episode "Conversations with Dead People." Espenson would go on to write for two other Joss Whedon TV series, ''Firefly'', and the ''Buffy'' spinoff, ''Angel''.

Espenson did a year as Co-Executive Producer at ''Gilmore Girls'', and brief stints as Co-Executive Producer of the cancelled FOX dramas ''Tru Calling'' and ''The Inside''. Next, she served as Co-Executive Producer of the sitcom ''Jake in Progress'', which was also short-lived.

Along the way, she also wrote an episode of ''The O.C.'' as well as several episodes of the animated series "''The Batman''."

She reportedly tells people often she has the best job in the world.

== Writer credits for "Battlestar Galactica" ==

*Season 3:
**[[The Passage]]

''See also: [[:Category:Episodes written by Jane Espenson|Episodes written by Jane Espenson]]''

== External Links ==
*[http://www.janeespenson.com/ Jane Espenson website]
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Prometheus (ship)

2006-01-30T23:03:46Z

JohnReese: /* Notes */ some tiny copyediting

[[Image:Prometheus-Black_Market.jpg|thumb|The freighter ''Prometheus'']]

The '''Prometheus''' is a freighter in [[the Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] rumored to be so rife with illicit activity, it is 'off the grid'. It served as the base of operations for the ex-mercenary [[Phelan]] and was the main trading hub for [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet's]] [[black market (organization)|black market]] ("[[Black Market]]").

== Notes ==
The name of the freighter is notable, as it seems to be named after the Greek Titan [[WIkipedia:Prometheus|Prometheus]]. Prometheus is noted for taking fire from the Gods and giving it to the humans against Zeus's wishes. Given [[Tom Zarek|Tom Zarek's]] continual referencing of Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] as Zeus, and the fact that the ''Prometheus'' is the hub of the [[black market]], an organization which seeks to redistribute goods from the military to the civilians, the parallel is very apparent.

[[Category: A to Z]] [[Category:Colonial Craft]] [[Category: RDM]]

Talk:Pegasus (episode)/Archive 1

2005-09-18T00:29:39Z

JohnReese:

For some reason, I'm really excited about this episode. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:28, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Oh, great. Now it appears that whatever is SPAMing us with ad links got a user name: "Boomer". Although I think it might be possible for a zombie computer to do this, I'm leaning towards the idea that it's an actual person. They must be subjected to live unsedated vivisection. ---Ricimer 25 Aug 2005
: Yeah, this is a real person. But they are likely still controlling another computer to do it. There are a few ways to go about reducing this stuff, but what I really don't get is that some yahoo actually wastes their time spamming a board that has thousands--THOUSANDS--of people who read and edit it deily, eliminating their "work" in seconds. They're wasting their time more than they get on our nerves. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:02, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]], Did you move the "proposed episode" stuff to another article, or just delete it? It should definitely be somewhere here. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 08:25, 14 September 2005 (EDT)
*I deleted it. It's completely, and I mean ''completely'', irrelevant to this episode. It belongs on the page for the original Living Legend episodes, if at all. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

There is a picture of the [[Mercury-class]] Battlestar in the preview after [[Flight of the Phoenix]]. We need a shot of Pegasus here on the page! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:46, 17 September 2005 (EDT)
*I noticed they still don't have the trailer up on the SciFi BSG page. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

Did you notice Pegasus advertised as the Season Finale of Galactica on SciFi channel last night? Did they split the run of 20 into two seasons? [[User:JohnReese|John Reese]]
*On closer study, it said "Summer Finale." No idea what that means. [[User:JohnReese|John Reese]]

Talk:Pegasus (episode)/Archive 1

2005-09-18T00:26:19Z

JohnReese:

Talk:Rycon/Archive 1

2005-09-14T22:34:27Z

JohnReese:

Does the name Rycon have some significance? A Google search yields the name of a town in the Yukon Territories, some industrial products, and Battlestar Galactica pages. I guess it could turn out to be the name of a famous Colonial person or something. -- [[User:JohnReese|John Reese]]

Battlestar Wiki talk:Spoiler Policy

2005-09-08T18:22:55Z

JohnReese: /* No spoilers until after first episode airdate */

== Complaints and Concerns ==

I hate the spoiler policy. I don't want to be spoiled. I won't be using or contributing to the site significantly until after the end of the season and before you start spoiling season 3.

Character summaries in particular should be free of spoilers like "died in tbe episode Scattered," (before it aired), especially when the character doesn't die in Scattered after all when it finally airs.

Socinus lives!

-MHall

: I personally go by group consensus. If the consensus is that spoiler information is used, then that's the consensus; if it is vice-versa, then spoiler information isn't used (or packaged so as not to spoil the casual reader). As we're an '''information resource and episode guide''', spoilers are a necessary evil. Some of the spoiler information changes from script to shooting, hence the inaccurate statement of Socinus' death in "Scattered"; it doesn't preclude him dying later on due to his injuries, so he may still die this season.

: For instance, I noted that details often change from the initial script to the final shooting. Permit me to use Boomer as an example: her being a human Cylon was never in the previous versions of the mini-series script, but changed -- indirectly -- after one of Ron Moore's friends made a quip about there not being a "By your command" line in the script. (That information came from the mini-series DVD commentary track.) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:41, 17 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Actually, I think that there is no way of making a spoiler-free version for everybody and making it work, too - because some country will always be the last to air the show, and by then, parts of the rest of the world will have forgotten about it already.

There is however one exception: There should really be no spoilers for shows that have not even aired, or at least not anywhere but that episode's summary. Otherwise, there is really no way one can enjoy this wiki ''and'' the show. (Happened for me with Home II.) I would even go as far as extending the no-spoilers for not-yet-aired shows for 24 hrs after the show, again, with the exception of the episodes's page. Because, let's fact it, lots of people will use P2P to see the show, because otherwise it would be years until they get to see it. (And if they are unlucky, they would have to see a synchronised version, too.) So the latter suggestion would enable them to look up things here while not having to wait for the show to arrive.

And one final thing: Spoiling from the scripts does not even make much sense - as the first poster on this page points out; and the audio comments imply the same. So my guess would be that spoiling not-yet aired shows will put off users from using this site, which is hardly a good thing, and it doesn't make much sense in the first place to do so, because the scripts will not air the way they were written, anyway. So I really would suggest a No spoilers for unaired shows policy. -- [[User:Still not king|Still not king]] 12:32, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::I agree. We gain very little by jumping the gun on upcoming episode spoilers - for example, I didn't need to know that spoileriffic note on the episode summary for [[Resurrection Ship]] at all. There's no reason not to be patient with these things. I do not agree, however, with a 24 hour injunction against posting episode details - we should be able to start wiki-ing as soon as it airs in our respective timezones. If we want to stay spoiler free on the west coast, we can always just not log on during the three hour window. Likewise, when the brits start getting Season 2, Part II before we do, we shouldn't force ourselves to wait for the U.S. airings. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:45, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

:::I was intentionally proposing ''just'' 24 hours - that is what it might take to get to see the show if you have to get it by P2P, and in the meantime, one might still want to check out something -- not the episode summary, of course, but a plain page about a character. It's a minor part of my proposal, though -- the important one is No spoilers of unaired shows. -- [[User:Still not king|Still not king]] 20:13, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::I really like the idea of not posting regarding unaired shows. There's no way to avoid spoilers for shows that have aired already, but the show doesn't really exist until it's aired, in a way (insofar that it might be changed). I also really like the idea of a 24-hour wait period after the first (and thus, British, right?) air time. A day isn't that long, really, and I'm not sure about anyone else, but these episodes make my mind race and I'd probably be too excited if I went straight from the sofa to the computer after watching. --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:35, 29 August 2005 (EDT)

:::::One of the nice things about the wiki system is that if you post something innacurate or overzealous, someone else can come along and tone it down a bit. I'm starting a vote. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:03, 29 August 2005 (EDT)

:This is rediculous. You come onto a site that has a quite obvious spoiler policy on the front fage, you go to read about upcoming episodes, and then you cry about being spoiled. Gee, obviously the best way to solve this is to stop people from posting new information. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 08:51, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:The whole debate is a bit odd to me. "Spoilers" by definition have to do with un-aired episodes, and anything written about un-aired episodes is, by definition, speculation. That speculation may be more informed or less, but it's still just that, ''speculation''. You have to watch the episode to find out what actually happens. If anything maybe there should be a reminder on un-aired ep pages that the information may or may not be accurate. Back in the day, there was another sci-fi show, "Babylon 5" which had/has a website much like this one - "The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5." The Lurker's Guide, while being an accurate and detailed guide to the show, was also a haven for every kind of spoilage and speculation imaginable, which I and many others found only enhanced our enjoyment of the show. --[[User:Astarte|Astarte]] 05:22, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

::I was also a fan of the lurker's guide. I think an important difference here is that the production staff of B5 (ie, JMS) were very tight-lipped and conscious of avoiding big spoilers. The staff of the Re-imagined series have been much looser, and credible spoilers for various production details have been leaked far and wide throughout the first half of the second season. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:25, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

== Spoiler Warning ==

How about episode pages that have not been aired yet get a spoiler tag, so that people that can contribute to them knowing full well that they'll likely be spoiled? Same can be done with character and event pages, so that information introduced to them from episodes not yet aired can also be used on this Wiki without fear of spoiling those that do not wish it. Thoughts?-- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:39, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:I'm afraid it wouldn't do me much good, since I read the diffs on everything on the recent edits page anyway. Maybe we could allow spoilers on episode summary pages but discourage them elsewhere? Avoiding the episode summaries isn't very hard. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:11, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

I found this problem with the Pegasus ep and related data. I wanted to keep the Fall of the Twelve Colonies page accurate with what we knew about surviving Battlestars, but this is still a spoiler, so the data there is left a bit vague unless someone digs for it. Still, a spoiler is a spoiler. The talk page would satisfy both spoiler-hunter and seeker on an episode article. We'd just need to add a "Spoiler" topic there, and note to people that if you are going to see an episode page for a show that hasn't aired, you are asking for it, literally. At least the talk page has an extra layer for avoiders to have, but because of the nature of this wiki, eliminating spoilers takes away a lot of the research fun. Data's gotta go somewhere and we can't commit the juicy bits for the main page to memory until the ep is aired. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

::This is going to be awkward, but I feel like we should add this as an option in the vote. Also adding a note on approval voting. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:::I dislike the thought of having to move massive amounts of text. So far, I've been avoiding pages to do with unaired episodes. That's easy enough. My main concern is someone clicking through and wondering, "Who the ''heck'' is Gina?", thinking it's some pilot who's name they missed or some small character. Then they read about an episode they didn't want to. Or, in another case, someone reading all about Lee and the information going on, at the end, past the most recent episode. I think keeping character pages clear is the better idea. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:01, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

=== Subpage? ===

How about comitting spoilers to a subpage of an article? For instance, [[Pegasus (episode)]] would have a subpage called [[Pegasus (episode)/Spoilers]]? I believe that would be fairly straight forward, given the title of the subpage. :-)

Then, after the episode airs, we can simply merge the contents together from the spoiler page into the main page of the article in question. Just my view. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:48, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:This sounds like a lot of work. I actually agree with Spencerian that anyone who clicks on the episode page for an unaired episode is explicitly asking for it. Additionally, those are easy edits to avoid reading. I'm going to go and complicate things now... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:: It does, but my intent was to just throw this out there to see what everyone else thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:01, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:::See my note above for my thoughts on having to merge things. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:01, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

== What is a spoiler? ==
In response to Day's query below ("So what constitutes a spoiler for this new voting catagory?"): I believe a spoiler is anything from an as-yet-unaired show. Examples: Lucy Lawless's character, Cain, Gina, etc. I think the revelation about Boomer is fair game, as that was the end of the Mini-Series. It's hard to escape that fact when most press articles now refer to her as a Cylon. For the purposes of my argument and vote, a "spoiler" is any information that has not yet been broadcast. Is that a fair assessment? -- [[User:Ryq|ryq]] 16:40, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

:I concur with this definition. I just thought it would pay to be absolutely clear. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:56, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

:What about various countries using this page? What an Australian considers a spoiler may already be known via broadcast in the states. Using this logic, spoiler pages could end up lasting for literally months after an original broadcast. --[[User:adedward|Adedward]] 16:15, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

:: Which is a problem with a "no spoiler" spoiler policy... Different countries see episodes at different times. Fact of the matter remains that there will always be spoilers within the wiki, so there will always be an "all spoilers permitted" policy -- in that way. The current discussion, however, is more towards spoiling episodes that haven't aired ''anywhere''. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:37, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

::: Precisely. Once an episode has aired for the first time somewhere, then it can be said what's really in it. Before it's aired anywhere, stuff "known" about it can change and so could very well be ''dis''information. Also, regardless of what the MPAA (or whatever the acronym is) wants, once an episode airs in one place, it is very soon available via download on the internet. I don't think this site should condone such downloading, but it's a reality and, as I understand it, Australia is the leader in downloading TV programs. There's also some behavioral patterns that indicate that the SciFi Channel and SkyOne and the peroduction staff might very well be tacitly embracing this method of dissemination with the idea that it actually raises viewership numbers when the things air for the first time in an area. They've, of course, not made any official statement.

::: All that being said, I think the first air date, whether that's in the UK, the US, Australlia or [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kamchatka Kamchatka], should be that date after which comprehensive information about an episode should no longer be considered a spoiler with respect to character pages. Episode pages are, really, a finer-grained debate. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:15, 6 September 2005 (EDT)

::: I concur with Day in that I believe nothing is canon until a) the episode is legitimately broadcast anywhere, or b) TPTB declare some aspect of the show as canon. It has been proven that scenes or characters or plots are moved, re-written or deleted between the page and the screen. I'm concerned that some "spoilers" (ie, rumours, hear-say, etc) may reflect poorly on this wiki, and therefore spoilers should be left out of the main article (and on the Talk page) unless and until they are proven correct. For example, I do not disagree with Lucy Lawless' character having an article at this time (we know she was part of the cast), but I believe what her character says and does, and what plots involve her, should be kept on the Talk page until they are broadcast. On a related note, I am amazed at all the info you guys find about unaired shows. :) -- [[User:Ryq|ryq]] 16:08, 6 September 2005 (EDT)

==Vote==

Vote for as many options as you agree with. Voting method is [[Wikipedia:Approval Voting|approval voting]] - place your name under every policy which would be acceptable to you; the policy acceptable to the most users wins.

Spoilers in this vote refer to details of unaired episodes. As an encyclopedia, cataloging information from already aired episodes is what we do, and is not in question.

===All spoilers permitted (current policy)===
# [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 08:47, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 21:38, 1 September 2005 (EDT) This a reference, let's act like it. If we have reliable information, share it with others.
# --[[User:Astarte|Astarte]] 04:50, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:adedward|Adedward]] 04:11pm, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:50pm, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Laven|Laven]] 06:00, 5 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Howlader|Howlader]] 1622, 5 September 2005 (EDT)

===No spoilers except for episode pages===
# --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:04, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --Zareck Rocks 15:00, 31 August 2005 (EDT)--
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:57, 1 September 2005 (EDT) (I'm apparently being convinced).
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:16, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 19:55, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 09:21, 4 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:CrimsonLine|CrimsonLine]] 15:04, 6 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 14:17, 7 September 2005 (EDT). It could be that people surfing through an episode list would not know that a certain episode has not yet aired. Another example would be folks using the "Random page" button. Thus I suggest putting a spoiler warning at the top of any such articles. But let the speculation flow; it's half the fun.
# --[[User:JohnReese|John Reese]] 11:21, 8 September 2005 (PDT)

===No spoilers except for episode talk pages===
# --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:35, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (To compromise, make the episode's TALK page fair game for spoiler data.)
# --[[User:Ryq|ryq]] 19:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (I agree with Spencerian's addendum)

===No spoilers until after first episode airdate===
# --[[User:cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 22:49, 29 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:35, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (To compromise, make the episode's TALK page fair game for spoiler data.)
# --[[User:Ryq|ryq]] 19:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (I agree with Spencerian's addendum)
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:45, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (So what constitutes a spoiler for this new voting catagory? Does this mean in the Mini-Series episode article, we have to take out the revelation about Boomer's heritage and move it to the talk page? Or does this new thing mean that information about unaired episodes goes on their talk pages until they've aired (or 24 hours after) when we can then move it to the main page? This new thing confuses me, which I think is apparent.)
# [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:06, 1 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:15, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:BillCook|BillCook]], 6 September 2005
# --[[User:JohnReese|John Reese]] 11:21, 8 September 2005 (PDT)

===No spoilers until after first episode airdate + 24 hours===
# --[[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]]
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:19, 30 August 2005 (EDT)
# [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:06, 1 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:15, 2 September 2005 (EDT)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Spoiler Policy

2005-09-08T18:21:45Z

JohnReese: /* No spoilers except for episode pages */

== Complaints and Concerns ==

I hate the spoiler policy. I don't want to be spoiled. I won't be using or contributing to the site significantly until after the end of the season and before you start spoiling season 3.

Character summaries in particular should be free of spoilers like "died in tbe episode Scattered," (before it aired), especially when the character doesn't die in Scattered after all when it finally airs.

Socinus lives!

-MHall

: I personally go by group consensus. If the consensus is that spoiler information is used, then that's the consensus; if it is vice-versa, then spoiler information isn't used (or packaged so as not to spoil the casual reader). As we're an '''information resource and episode guide''', spoilers are a necessary evil. Some of the spoiler information changes from script to shooting, hence the inaccurate statement of Socinus' death in "Scattered"; it doesn't preclude him dying later on due to his injuries, so he may still die this season.

: For instance, I noted that details often change from the initial script to the final shooting. Permit me to use Boomer as an example: her being a human Cylon was never in the previous versions of the mini-series script, but changed -- indirectly -- after one of Ron Moore's friends made a quip about there not being a "By your command" line in the script. (That information came from the mini-series DVD commentary track.) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:41, 17 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Actually, I think that there is no way of making a spoiler-free version for everybody and making it work, too - because some country will always be the last to air the show, and by then, parts of the rest of the world will have forgotten about it already.

There is however one exception: There should really be no spoilers for shows that have not even aired, or at least not anywhere but that episode's summary. Otherwise, there is really no way one can enjoy this wiki ''and'' the show. (Happened for me with Home II.) I would even go as far as extending the no-spoilers for not-yet-aired shows for 24 hrs after the show, again, with the exception of the episodes's page. Because, let's fact it, lots of people will use P2P to see the show, because otherwise it would be years until they get to see it. (And if they are unlucky, they would have to see a synchronised version, too.) So the latter suggestion would enable them to look up things here while not having to wait for the show to arrive.

And one final thing: Spoiling from the scripts does not even make much sense - as the first poster on this page points out; and the audio comments imply the same. So my guess would be that spoiling not-yet aired shows will put off users from using this site, which is hardly a good thing, and it doesn't make much sense in the first place to do so, because the scripts will not air the way they were written, anyway. So I really would suggest a No spoilers for unaired shows policy. -- [[User:Still not king|Still not king]] 12:32, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::I agree. We gain very little by jumping the gun on upcoming episode spoilers - for example, I didn't need to know that spoileriffic note on the episode summary for [[Resurrection Ship]] at all. There's no reason not to be patient with these things. I do not agree, however, with a 24 hour injunction against posting episode details - we should be able to start wiki-ing as soon as it airs in our respective timezones. If we want to stay spoiler free on the west coast, we can always just not log on during the three hour window. Likewise, when the brits start getting Season 2, Part II before we do, we shouldn't force ourselves to wait for the U.S. airings. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:45, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

:::I was intentionally proposing ''just'' 24 hours - that is what it might take to get to see the show if you have to get it by P2P, and in the meantime, one might still want to check out something -- not the episode summary, of course, but a plain page about a character. It's a minor part of my proposal, though -- the important one is No spoilers of unaired shows. -- [[User:Still not king|Still not king]] 20:13, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::I really like the idea of not posting regarding unaired shows. There's no way to avoid spoilers for shows that have aired already, but the show doesn't really exist until it's aired, in a way (insofar that it might be changed). I also really like the idea of a 24-hour wait period after the first (and thus, British, right?) air time. A day isn't that long, really, and I'm not sure about anyone else, but these episodes make my mind race and I'd probably be too excited if I went straight from the sofa to the computer after watching. --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:35, 29 August 2005 (EDT)

:::::One of the nice things about the wiki system is that if you post something innacurate or overzealous, someone else can come along and tone it down a bit. I'm starting a vote. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:03, 29 August 2005 (EDT)

:This is rediculous. You come onto a site that has a quite obvious spoiler policy on the front fage, you go to read about upcoming episodes, and then you cry about being spoiled. Gee, obviously the best way to solve this is to stop people from posting new information. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 08:51, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:The whole debate is a bit odd to me. "Spoilers" by definition have to do with un-aired episodes, and anything written about un-aired episodes is, by definition, speculation. That speculation may be more informed or less, but it's still just that, ''speculation''. You have to watch the episode to find out what actually happens. If anything maybe there should be a reminder on un-aired ep pages that the information may or may not be accurate. Back in the day, there was another sci-fi show, "Babylon 5" which had/has a website much like this one - "The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5." The Lurker's Guide, while being an accurate and detailed guide to the show, was also a haven for every kind of spoilage and speculation imaginable, which I and many others found only enhanced our enjoyment of the show. --[[User:Astarte|Astarte]] 05:22, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

::I was also a fan of the lurker's guide. I think an important difference here is that the production staff of B5 (ie, JMS) were very tight-lipped and conscious of avoiding big spoilers. The staff of the Re-imagined series have been much looser, and credible spoilers for various production details have been leaked far and wide throughout the first half of the second season. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:25, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

== Spoiler Warning ==

How about episode pages that have not been aired yet get a spoiler tag, so that people that can contribute to them knowing full well that they'll likely be spoiled? Same can be done with character and event pages, so that information introduced to them from episodes not yet aired can also be used on this Wiki without fear of spoiling those that do not wish it. Thoughts?-- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:39, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:I'm afraid it wouldn't do me much good, since I read the diffs on everything on the recent edits page anyway. Maybe we could allow spoilers on episode summary pages but discourage them elsewhere? Avoiding the episode summaries isn't very hard. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:11, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

I found this problem with the Pegasus ep and related data. I wanted to keep the Fall of the Twelve Colonies page accurate with what we knew about surviving Battlestars, but this is still a spoiler, so the data there is left a bit vague unless someone digs for it. Still, a spoiler is a spoiler. The talk page would satisfy both spoiler-hunter and seeker on an episode article. We'd just need to add a "Spoiler" topic there, and note to people that if you are going to see an episode page for a show that hasn't aired, you are asking for it, literally. At least the talk page has an extra layer for avoiders to have, but because of the nature of this wiki, eliminating spoilers takes away a lot of the research fun. Data's gotta go somewhere and we can't commit the juicy bits for the main page to memory until the ep is aired. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

::This is going to be awkward, but I feel like we should add this as an option in the vote. Also adding a note on approval voting. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:::I dislike the thought of having to move massive amounts of text. So far, I've been avoiding pages to do with unaired episodes. That's easy enough. My main concern is someone clicking through and wondering, "Who the ''heck'' is Gina?", thinking it's some pilot who's name they missed or some small character. Then they read about an episode they didn't want to. Or, in another case, someone reading all about Lee and the information going on, at the end, past the most recent episode. I think keeping character pages clear is the better idea. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:01, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

=== Subpage? ===

How about comitting spoilers to a subpage of an article? For instance, [[Pegasus (episode)]] would have a subpage called [[Pegasus (episode)/Spoilers]]? I believe that would be fairly straight forward, given the title of the subpage. :-)

Then, after the episode airs, we can simply merge the contents together from the spoiler page into the main page of the article in question. Just my view. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:48, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:This sounds like a lot of work. I actually agree with Spencerian that anyone who clicks on the episode page for an unaired episode is explicitly asking for it. Additionally, those are easy edits to avoid reading. I'm going to go and complicate things now... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:: It does, but my intent was to just throw this out there to see what everyone else thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:01, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

:::See my note above for my thoughts on having to merge things. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:01, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

== What is a spoiler? ==
In response to Day's query below ("So what constitutes a spoiler for this new voting catagory?"): I believe a spoiler is anything from an as-yet-unaired show. Examples: Lucy Lawless's character, Cain, Gina, etc. I think the revelation about Boomer is fair game, as that was the end of the Mini-Series. It's hard to escape that fact when most press articles now refer to her as a Cylon. For the purposes of my argument and vote, a "spoiler" is any information that has not yet been broadcast. Is that a fair assessment? -- [[User:Ryq|ryq]] 16:40, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

:I concur with this definition. I just thought it would pay to be absolutely clear. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:56, 1 September 2005 (EDT)

:What about various countries using this page? What an Australian considers a spoiler may already be known via broadcast in the states. Using this logic, spoiler pages could end up lasting for literally months after an original broadcast. --[[User:adedward|Adedward]] 16:15, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

:: Which is a problem with a "no spoiler" spoiler policy... Different countries see episodes at different times. Fact of the matter remains that there will always be spoilers within the wiki, so there will always be an "all spoilers permitted" policy -- in that way. The current discussion, however, is more towards spoiling episodes that haven't aired ''anywhere''. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:37, 3 September 2005 (EDT)

::: Precisely. Once an episode has aired for the first time somewhere, then it can be said what's really in it. Before it's aired anywhere, stuff "known" about it can change and so could very well be ''dis''information. Also, regardless of what the MPAA (or whatever the acronym is) wants, once an episode airs in one place, it is very soon available via download on the internet. I don't think this site should condone such downloading, but it's a reality and, as I understand it, Australia is the leader in downloading TV programs. There's also some behavioral patterns that indicate that the SciFi Channel and SkyOne and the peroduction staff might very well be tacitly embracing this method of dissemination with the idea that it actually raises viewership numbers when the things air for the first time in an area. They've, of course, not made any official statement.

::: All that being said, I think the first air date, whether that's in the UK, the US, Australlia or [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kamchatka Kamchatka], should be that date after which comprehensive information about an episode should no longer be considered a spoiler with respect to character pages. Episode pages are, really, a finer-grained debate. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:15, 6 September 2005 (EDT)

::: I concur with Day in that I believe nothing is canon until a) the episode is legitimately broadcast anywhere, or b) TPTB declare some aspect of the show as canon. It has been proven that scenes or characters or plots are moved, re-written or deleted between the page and the screen. I'm concerned that some "spoilers" (ie, rumours, hear-say, etc) may reflect poorly on this wiki, and therefore spoilers should be left out of the main article (and on the Talk page) unless and until they are proven correct. For example, I do not disagree with Lucy Lawless' character having an article at this time (we know she was part of the cast), but I believe what her character says and does, and what plots involve her, should be kept on the Talk page until they are broadcast. On a related note, I am amazed at all the info you guys find about unaired shows. :) -- [[User:Ryq|ryq]] 16:08, 6 September 2005 (EDT)

==Vote==

Vote for as many options as you agree with. Voting method is [[Wikipedia:Approval Voting|approval voting]] - place your name under every policy which would be acceptable to you; the policy acceptable to the most users wins.

Spoilers in this vote refer to details of unaired episodes. As an encyclopedia, cataloging information from already aired episodes is what we do, and is not in question.

===All spoilers permitted (current policy)===
# [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 08:47, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 21:38, 1 September 2005 (EDT) This a reference, let's act like it. If we have reliable information, share it with others.
# --[[User:Astarte|Astarte]] 04:50, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:adedward|Adedward]] 04:11pm, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:50pm, 3 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Laven|Laven]] 06:00, 5 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Howlader|Howlader]] 1622, 5 September 2005 (EDT)

===No spoilers except for episode pages===
# --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:53, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:04, 31 August 2005 (EDT)
# --Zareck Rocks 15:00, 31 August 2005 (EDT)--
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:57, 1 September 2005 (EDT) (I'm apparently being convinced).
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:16, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 19:55, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 09:21, 4 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:CrimsonLine|CrimsonLine]] 15:04, 6 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 14:17, 7 September 2005 (EDT). It could be that people surfing through an episode list would not know that a certain episode has not yet aired. Another example would be folks using the "Random page" button. Thus I suggest putting a spoiler warning at the top of any such articles. But let the speculation flow; it's half the fun.
# --[[User:JohnReese|John Reese]] 11:21, 8 September 2005 (PDT)

===No spoilers except for episode talk pages===
# --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:35, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (To compromise, make the episode's TALK page fair game for spoiler data.)
# --[[User:Ryq|ryq]] 19:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (I agree with Spencerian's addendum)

===No spoilers until after first episode airdate===
# --[[User:cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 22:49, 29 August 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:35, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (To compromise, make the episode's TALK page fair game for spoiler data.)
# --[[User:Ryq|ryq]] 19:40, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (I agree with Spencerian's addendum)
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:45, 31 August 2005 (EDT) (So what constitutes a spoiler for this new voting catagory? Does this mean in the Mini-Series episode article, we have to take out the revelation about Boomer's heritage and move it to the talk page? Or does this new thing mean that information about unaired episodes goes on their talk pages until they've aired (or 24 hours after) when we can then move it to the main page? This new thing confuses me, which I think is apparent.)
# [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:06, 1 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:15, 2 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:BillCook|BillCook]], 6 September 2005

===No spoilers until after first episode airdate + 24 hours===
# --[[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]]
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:19, 30 August 2005 (EDT)
# [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:06, 1 September 2005 (EDT)
# --[[User:Dawn|Dawn]] 02:15, 2 September 2005 (EDT)

Pegasus (TRS)

2005-09-07T01:07:13Z

JohnReese: /* Greek Parallels */

:''This page is about the battlestar. For the episode, see [[Pegasus (episode)]].''

== [[RDM Battlestar Galactica|Re-Imagined Series]] ==

The ''Pegasus'' is a [[Mercury-class]] [[battlestar]] that was stationed at the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] during the [[Cylon attack]]. It survived when its commanding officer, Admiral [[Nelena Cain]], ordered a [[blind jump]] - but not before rescuing a number of the shipyard workers, incluidng the [[Humano-Cylon]] agent [[Gina]]. Gina alerted the Cylons to the location of the ''Pegasus'', and the subsequent attack resulted in eight hundred of the crew's deaths. However, Gina was apprehended. Some time later, the ''Pegasus'' encountered the fleet led by the ''[[Galactica]]''. ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")

Chief [[Tyrol]] mentioned during his interrogation by [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] that he served aboard a number of Battlestars in his military career, including the ''Pegasus''. There is a good possibility that he is familiar with Admiral Cain, ''Pegasus''' commanding officer, and her crew. ("[[Resistance]]")

==[[TOS Battlestar Galactica|Original Series]] ==

Pegasus was the second battlestar known to have survived the [[TOS Cylon Attack|Cylon Attack]]. It was commanded by Commander [[Cain]], whom [[TOS Viper|Viper]] pilots [[Bojay]] and [[Sheba]] served under. It was the only surviving ship from the [[Battle of Molecay]], meeting up with the [[TOS Galactica|Galactica]] in [[The Living Legend]].

The military genius Cain lead the ship against two [[TOS Basestars|Cylon Basestars]] to permit the [[TOS Galactica|Galactica]] and the Fleet to escape. The question of the survival of Cain and his battlestar was always in doubt, though it is generally assumed by the fandom that the ship survived.

==Greek Parallels==

Pegasus is derived from the Greek mythos. Pegasus was a winged horse-god who was the foal of Poseidon; this image of a winged horse is emblematic on the [[TOS Viper Helmet|Viper Helmet]] of Pegasus's pilots in [[The Living Legend]].

=== Links ===

* [[Wikipedia:Pegasus|Pegasus]] (from Wikipedia)

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Flight of the Phoenix

2005-08-29T21:30:11Z

JohnReese: /* Overview */ orthography police

== Overview ==

: ''Faced with a [[Viper]] shortage, [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] tackles the difficult task of building them from scratch. Meanwhile, [[Helo]] is dealing with the repercussions of his relationship with [[Sharon Valerii]], a known [[Humano-Cylon]].''

== Summary ==

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

* Literary/Film Reference: ''[[Wikipedia:Flight of the Phoenix|Flight of the Phoenix]]'' is the title of a 1964 novel where survivors from a plane crash in the middle of a desert attempt to rebuild the plane from the wreckage. Two movies, one made in 1965 and the other in 2004, were also made following a similar story line inspired by the book.
* The [[Wikipedia:phoenix|phoenix]] is a character from Egypt mythology where, at the end of its lifespan, the bird turns to ash -- only to have another phoenix arise.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==




== Official Statements ==




== Statistics ==



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=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by
*Directed by

=== Production Notes ===

*Series: 2 (2005 / 2006)
*Production Number: 2.??
*Airdate Order: 9 (of 20)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate:
*US Airdate: September 9th, 2005
*DVD Release: (UK)

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Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down

2005-08-29T21:22:34Z

JohnReese: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */ sooo many typos

[[Image:bsg-1-09.jpg|thumb|"Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down" (credit: Sci-Fi Channel)]]

: ''This episode is also known under its draft title, "Secrets and Lies". Its official title is "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down".''

== Overview ==

: ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh's]] world is turned upside down when [[Ellen Tigh|his wife]] arrives on the ''[[Galactica]]'' -- but is she all she professes?''

== Summary ==
* [[Laura Roslin]] comes aboard the ''[[Galactica]]'' as [[William Adama|Adama]] receives a report that [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar’s]] [[Cylon detector]] is operational.
* Unable to shake [[Leoben Conoy|Conoy’s]] words to her ([[Flesh and Bone]]), she wants Adama to take the test first; he reluctantly agrees.
* When a lone [[Cylon Raider]] shows up, [[Lee Adama]] is ordered to intercept, and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] is stunned to learn Adama is off-ship.
* The Raider is crippled, and a [[Raptor]] is dispatched to gather intel on it, particularly how its [[FTL]] drive operates.
* Adama returns to the ''Galactica'' on a [[Raptor]] with a further shock for Tigh: his wife, [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]].
* Roslin calls Baltar to check on the progress of Adama’s Cylon test – only to find Adama has cancelled so that a woman called “Ellen” can be tested. Roslin orders Baltar to restart Adama’s test immediately.
* Roslin summons Tigh to ''[[Colonial One]]'' and reveals her suspicions regarding Adama, and challenging a defensive Tigh over Adama’s behavior in leaving the ''Galactica'' unannounced.
* Tigh takes the wind out of Roslin’s sails when he states Adama was off-ship so he could collect Tigh’s missing wife.
* After Tigh has left her office, Roslin calls Baltar and orders him to stop Adama’s test and resume Ellen’s.
* Later, at a dinner in Adama’s quarters, Ellen behaves with a mixture of her old self – trying to play footsie with Lee Adama under the table, and trying to flirt with him over the table – and strange curiosity concerning [[Earth]].
* Adama deflects her probing by asking how it could be that she got aboard a ship, the ''[[Rising Star]]'', without anyone having any knowledge or her or of treating her during her alleged 3 weeks of being unconscious.
* Ellen simply shrugs off the questions in her apparently drunken state and breaks up the party with her “drunken” playing.
* As she and her husband return to their quarters, they encounter Baltar, with whome she openly flirts, both annoying Tigh and raising [[Number Six|Six]]’s curiosity.
* After Baltar has departed, Ellen deflects her husband’s anger at her behaviour by claiming Adama wants her, then dragging Tigh after Baltar.
* In Baltar’s lab, a row is brewing over the various tests that should have been carried out; things being even more complicated when Tigh and his wife arrive, and the disagreements and suspicions become a three-way argument, which is broken up when Adama, Lee and Tigh are summoned to [[CIC]].
* The Cylon Raider has stopped behaving oddly, and is on an collision course for ''Galactica''. [[Alert Fighters]] are dispatched at Tigh’s order, and the Raider is destroyed.
* Later, back in Baltar’s lab, Ellen’s test results come through and are apparently green. Baltar, however simply states to Six that having everything turn up green makes life a lot easier.

=== On Caprica: ===
*[[Karl C. Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii#Caprica Valerii|Valerii]] are trying to avoid the Cylons by running through the storm drains under a city.
*Valerii has a plan -- she claims to have overheard the Cylons discussing a huge base at [[Delphi]], she believes they can steal a ship from there and get off the planet.
*[[Aaron Doral|Doral]] and [[Number Six|Six]] are definitely affected by the fact that even though Valerii has run off, she is experiencing emotions they have never had -- as is Helo.

== Summary from scifi.com ==
President Roslin's fears that Commander Adama is a Cylon are stoked when she learns he's making secret wireless calls to other ships. Then, to make things worse, a single Cylon raider appears near the Galactica and begins acting strangely after being damaged in battle.

When Adama returns to the ship with Tigh's wife, Ellen, an earthy temptress and irrepressible flirt who claims to have been in a coma since their civilization was destroyed, Roslin's suspicions increase. She orders Baltar to screen both Ellen and Adama with his newly completed Cylon-detector.

Meanwhile, Col. Tigh and the rest of the crew watch warily and gather data as the wounded Cylon raider jumps in and out of space.

On Caprica, the Cylon overseers fear that the Cylon Sharon is developing a strange feeling toward Helo — love.
--This section ©2005, [http://www.scifi.com SCI FI]. All rights reserved.

== Questions ==
*Is [[Ellen Tigh]] an [[Humano-Cylon]]?
*What is [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] hoping to gain from keeping the test results secret?

== Analysis ==

An episode that cleverly mixes intrigue and humour to conjure a rich tapestry that is somewhat different from earlier episodes – but no less entertaining in the questions it raises.

The intrigue is initially driven out of Roslin’s paranoia towards Adama, but quickly re-centres on Ellen Tigh.

Roslin’s paranoia is fed by Leoben Conoy’s last words to her in “Flesh and Bone” – she is genuinely concerned that Adama is a Cylon, and his pre-occupation with Ellen Tigh doesn’t help calm her fears. But even when the mystery surrounding Adama’s actions is resolved, the intrigue doesn’t let up: just who or what is Ellen Tigh? Human or Cylon?

The weight of evidence for her being human is almost overwhelming. She is vindictive, manipulative, calculating (witness her ability to play footsie under the table with Lee Adama after hearing about his brother's death), but human nonetheless. She has clearly been a destructive force in Tigh's life - and most likely the reason for his drinking problem, and despite her claims to want a reconcilliation, it is clear that little has really changed within her: she is man-hungry, and delights in sowing the seeds of mischief.

BUT - and there is always a "but" in BSG, the writers throw in just enough to create doubt:
*Why is it that - as Adama points out - no-one can remember her either being aboard the Rising Star or being treated for her injuries until the last few days?

*Why can’t the Captain of the Rising Star remember how she came to be aboard his ship. Her "rescue" from Picon sounds so dramatic, surely someone would remember her coming aboard the ship, whether she was conscious or not?
*And why is her interest at the dinner table focused singularly on the subject of Earth? Is it really the "talk of the fleet", or is there something behind her persistence?
*She operates in a manner strikingly similar to a cross between Six and Conoy. Like Six, she is not afraid to use her sexual mores against men; like Conoy, her words seem laced with half-truths and are frequently manipulative and border on the insidious
*Finally, there is her comment on meeting Baltar, “Oh, I know exactly who you are.” On the one hand, it could simply be a result of her recognising Baltar as a leading scientist and (no doubt) playboy, and her predatory nature kicking-in. On the other hand, knowing exactly who someone “is” usually means a person is not fooled: they know intimate secrets about the individual they are meeting, and so the comment is usually taken as a thinly-veiled threat. Does Ellen Tigh know more than she is letting on?

Even the denouement concerning Ellen Tigh’s heritage is open to interpretation: Baltar proclaims her to be human, but then admits to Six he’s decided all results are going to be “green”; as he puts it: “no muss, no fuss”. He won’t even reveal the true result of the test to Six.

Six’s reaction to Ellen Tigh is equally interesting: “Something here, isn’t there?” she states after Ellen’s unconventional introduction to Baltar – and it is doubtful she is referring to the flirting that takes place; rather, her words are a warning, as is her follow-up comment: “You should be watching her.” Six has sensed something in Ellen Tigh, and it is something she doesn’t trust.

So, could it be that Ellen Tigh is a Cylon? Certainly, it has been established that there are 12 models of Cylon, so again, this leaves room for her to be one. But – again – if she were, that would raise an interesting precedent: it would mean that that Cylons can replicate living (or once-living) humans. Were this to be the case, it would significantly alter the balance of things. For this reason, more than any other, it is unlikely Ellen Tigh is anything more than a human woman with an agenda of her own.

Meanwhile, on Caprica things also continue to take an interesting turn. Now fugitives together, Helo and Valerii are finally making an attempt to get off the planet, and Valerii is reaching the point where if she doesn’t admit her status to Helo, he’s going to guess. Above them – literally - we are given further insight into Cylon motivations for what was occurring around Helo, and once again it all seems to boil down to the emotions generated by love: loyalty, need, protectiveness, desire, generosity, anguish, the motivations it creates – all of which appear to be beyond Cylon understanding, even though they are capable of other, baser emotional responses, as witnessed by Six’s tears and Doral’s hurt envy. And there is still that small matter of procreation hanging in the air...

Perhaps the one weak link in the episode is the arrival of the Cylon Raider. Despite all the material the production crew have to play with in this episode, this one thread sticks out from the rest and almost screams “Padding!” at the top of its voice.

As an attempt to heighten concern about Adama’s real motivations (the Raider turning up while he is out and about in a Raptor), it is nothing short of clumsy. As a means of confirming the fact that the Colonials don’t have FTL systems of a comparable size to those contained in the captured Raider, and are thus keen to find out all they can about a “working” version, it is short on drama. Was the Raider really crippled? Was it playing a game with the Colonials - if so, to what purpose? What caused Starbuck to come to this conclusion? None of the answers to these questions are even hinted at - much less explained, leaving the entire Raider situation something that has a big “So what?” hanging over it.

But this aside, “Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down” serves up another interesting blend of character-driven drama that demonstrates that Battlestar Galactica is also capable of some fine humour.

== Questions ==
*The test themselves apparently take 11 hours to generate results (although Boomer’s result in “Flesh and Bone” was obtained in far less time than this – "a couple of minutes", according to Baltar, and about 60 seconds of screen-time.)
**Baltar claims in [[Resistance]] that he allowed Boomer to believe she was Human "for [his] own purposes". Does he have the ability to determine other Cylon infiltrators in a much shorter timeframe than he chooses to admit in this episode? Perhaps he was just going through the math in his head - but then why the half-serious jokes about suicide as he contemplates the task?

== Notes ==
*The script was originally called "Secrets and Lies". However, "'''Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down'''" is the official title for the episode, according to [[Ronald D. Moore]].
*It is 3 days since the events of "[[Flesh and Bone]]".
*There are now 47,905 survivors in the fleet, a loss of 49 since "Flesh and Bone". Compared to other casualty figures in the first season, this is unusually high for a three-day period.
**Are Boomer (tested last episode) and Baltar himself included in this figure?
*Billy’s relationship with Dualla is picking up, despite his attempts to pump her for information
*Tigh’s alcoholism was more than likely kicked-off by his wife – either directly or through her infidelity – or possibly both.
*Baltar apparently has no intention of being honest about the results of his Cylon tests.
*The Galactica has a forward observation lounge that has become a much sought-after trysting-place, with individuals and couples rotated through it at regular intervals.
*The Cylons have established a major base at Delphi, another major city on Caprica.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''As Commamder Adama and Laura Roslin talk in the CIC:''

:Commander Adama: Madame President, we are the proud owners of the universe's first bona fide Cylon detector.
:Laura Roslin: Well, that is great news. So... when do we begin?
:Commander Adama: Doctor Baltar would like to start widespread testing as soon as possible, but there are some serious limitations, because he can only do one person at a time and verification takes hours.
:Laura Roslin: So, who's going to go first?
:Commander Adama: (thinking for a second) The test... right. I think people in sensitive positions should go first.
:Laura Roslin: I completely agree. How about you?
:Commander Adama: Excuse me?
:Laura Roslin: If you're a Cylon, I'd like to know.
:Commander Adama: If I'm a Cylon, you're really screwed.
:(Adama and Roslin both start laughing)
:Laura Roslin: Seriously, I do think you should go first. Show everyone in the fleet that they can trust the people at the top.
:Commander Adama: Well then, maybe YOU should go first. (silence) All right... I'll go first.

* ''As Commander Adama, Colonel Tigh, Ellen Tigh, Apollo, and Laura Roslin are eating dinner:''
:Ellen Tigh: So Bill, now the question on everyone's mind -- and, I do mean everyone -- is "Where's Earth?" and "When are we going to get there?"
:Commander Adama: Yeah... that's classified information.
:Ellen Tigh: Oh, there's that word again!
:Colonel Tigh: Ellen, leave the man alone.
:Ellen Tigh: Come on! If there aren't privileges to being an XO's wife, then what's the point? I mean, Bill, we're all family here, so come on!
:Laura Roslin: The need for secrecy is paramount, Ellen. Oh, I'm sorry. Perhaps you don't know that the Cylons look like us now.
:Ellen Tigh: Oh... that. Yes. Yes, I knew that.
:Laura Roslin: It's recent news. Most people just found out a few days ago.
:Ellen Tigh: (thinking) A thing like that would travel fast.
:Commander Adama: Any one of us could be a Cylon.
:(the entire table goes silent)
:Ellen Tigh: BOO!
:(everyone jumps in their seat, but Ellen and Saul start laughing)

== Official Statements ==




*"'Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down' was originally called 'Secrets and Lies', or 'Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down' by [[Jeff Vlaming|Jeff (Vlaming)]]. And when I saw those titles on the script, I knew we had to go with 'Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down'. It was too good. Too good a title to let lie on the cutting room floor." -- Ronald D. Moore [[podcast]]
*"'Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down' began life as a very different episode than it ultimately came out to be. It was originally going to be a riff on 'Crimson Tide'." -- Ronald D. Moore [[podcast]]
*"It did feel right that, perhaps, there was one place; that perhaps there was one area of the ship, which accepted a window or a port to look out and that it would be a fairly confined space for the crew on these very long, deep space missions that probably lasted months, if not years. And that there might be a place where they can go to and just stargaze. And in this situation, it seemed like there would be a lot of people lining up to try and look out at the stars, you know, a break from the monotony of staring at metal walls." -- Ronald D. Moore [[podcast]], talking about the observation area of the ''[[Galactica]]''
*"The long and the short of it was that we had just come out of a very heavy, very dark, very [[Flesh and Bone|disturbing episode]]. And the very next episode was supposed to be 'Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down' which was all about a very disturbing, very dark, very (sort of) unhappy episode where our two -- two of our lead characters started pointing guns at one another. So there came a point when I just decided, well, lets just punt. Lets not do the dark and brooding episode. Lets try a different tone. Lets see if the show can withstand something lighter. Lets try something that's closer to a comedy, or as close to a comedy as ''Galactica'' can withstand." -- Ronald D. Moore [[podcast]]

== Statistics ==



=== Guest Stars ===


*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Bennett, Matthew|Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Slex+Green Alex Green] as Deckhand




=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Vlaming Jeff Vlaming]
*Directed by [[Edward James Olmos]]




=== Production Notes ===
*Series 1 (2004 / 2005)
*Production Number: 1.09
*Airdate Order: 9 (of 13)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate: 13 December 2004 (Sky One)
*US Airdate: 4 march 2005 (Sci-Fi Channel)
*DVD Release: 28 March 2005 (UK)

== External Links ==
[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/109/ "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down"] at scifi.com

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Talk:Carolanne Adama/Archive 1

2005-07-28T06:35:22Z

JohnReese:

Does anyone know the name of the actress? She's not listed under "Act of Contrition" on IMDB, and 2 of the 3 hits for "Caroline Adama" on google are on the Battlestar Wiki. -- [[user:JohnReese|JohnReese]]

Talk:Carolanne Adama/Archive 1

2005-07-28T06:34:11Z

JohnReese: for god sake

Does anyone know the name of the actress? She's not listed under "Act of Contrition" on IMDB, and 2 of the 3 hits for "Caroline Adama" on google are on the Battlestar Wiki. -- [[JohnReese]]

Talk:Carolanne Adama/Archive 1

2005-07-28T06:31:10Z

JohnReese:

Does anyone know the name of the actress? She's not listed under "Act of Contrition" on IMDB, and 2 of the 3 hits for "Caroline Adama" on google are on the Battlestar Wiki. -- JohnReese

Talk:Carolanne Adama/Archive 1

2005-07-28T06:30:29Z

JohnReese:

Does anyone know the name of the actress? She's not listed under "Act of Contrition" on IMDB, and 2 of the 3 hits for "Caroline Adama" on google are on the Battlestar Wiki.

Heavy Raider

2005-07-26T00:37:27Z

JohnReese:

Type: Cylon Troop Transport (?) 
Capacity: 10(?) [[Cylon Warrior|Centurions]] 
Propulsion: ?? 
Armament: ??

Not much is yet known about this craft.

The first Cylon Heavy Raider is seen landing near [[Helo]] and [[Boomer]] near the end of Season 1 [[Colonial Day]] on Cylon-Occupied [[Caprica]]. A heavy raider is also the craft that crash landed into [[Galactica]]'s unused flight pod during Season 2 [[Scattered]].

The heavy raider is shown during [[Scattered]] to have both projectile armament and troop transport capabilities.
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Margaret Edmondson

2005-07-24T19:19:13Z

JohnReese:

[[Image:Bsg_racetrack_1.jpg|thumb|Raptor ECO, Call Sign: Racetrack (Credit: Sky One / Sci-Fi Channel)]]

A female pilot / [[ECO]] aboard the ''[[Galactica]]'' who accompanies [[Valerii, Sharon|LT (j.g.) Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] on a mission to destroy a Cylon [[Baseship|baseship]]. She is later a witness to Boomer's attempted [[assassination]] of [[Adama, William|Willam Adama]] in the [[CIC]] of the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Immediately afterwards she informs the CIC staff that Boomer returned from placing the nuke inside the Basestar without her helmet on, and that she probably gave away the Galactica's position to the other Cylons ([[Scattered]]).

Played by: [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Leah+Cairns Leah Cairns]

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Talk:Valley of Darkness/Archive 1

2005-07-24T08:55:20Z

JohnReese: /* Is that the same Centurion model? */

==Technician in Valley of Darkness==

As I was working on this page, I realized that I forgot the name of the deckhand that Lee's group found in the small arms locker on deck 12... He's the one in the yellow uniform and he also had a small role in "[[Litmus]]"... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 00:22, 23 Jul 2005 (EDT)
::It started with a "J" and at one point, when Lee said it, I thought he was calling him "Tarn" so it must be similar to that. Other than that, I'm stumped - although I taped the episode for a friend, I'll remember to keep my ears open when I re-watch it. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:09, 23 Jul 2005 (EDT)

::He was called Jammer. At least...that sounds right. Yes. It's Jammer...just watched it again.-- [[user:yenguyen|YeNguyen]] 23 July 2005 (EST)

==Kobol Questions==

Regarding the relativly recent skulls found on Kobol, perhaps there are humans or humano-cylons living there, after the exodous. While Tyrol ''said'' that they were attacked by Cylons has there been any visual proof of that? There is also the possiblity it was an automated defense system since Tyrol and Cali were not pursued and it appears that the bullets were all hitting the same general area w/o much movenment. -- [[user:shemnon|Danno Ferrin]] 10:19 MST, 23 July 2003

== Is that the same Centurion model? ==

I'm not sure the Centurions that boarded the Galactica were the same model we've seen before. It was dark, but I think their color may have been gold instead of silver, and they were much harder to kill -- Helo took down at least one with his pilot's sidearm, but Apollo's had no effect. Could they have been special shock troops? -- [[user:JohnReese|JohnReese]]

Talk:Valley of Darkness/Archive 1

2005-07-24T08:53:16Z

JohnReese: /* Is that the same Centurion model? */

Louanne Katraine

2005-07-19T06:07:21Z

JohnReese:

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|age= Early 20s
|colony= Unknown
|birthname= Katraine
|callsign= Kat
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|children=
|marital status= Single
|role= Viper Pilot Cadet, ''[[Battlestar]] [[Galactica]]''
|rank= Cadet
|actor= [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Lucianna+Carro Lucianna Carro]
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'''Katarine''' is a young woman with some flying experience. She was selected as a candidate pilot ("[[nugget]]") for Viper training under the command of Lieutenant [[Thrace, Kara|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]. ("[[Act of Contrition]]") While she may still be a new pilot, she has a taste for fighting, and is often on the front lines when the ''[[Galactica]]'' engages [[Cylon]] forces.

== Biography ==

"Kat" is a young woman in her early 20's, and survivor of the [[Cylon Attack]] she is selected from relative obscurity to become one of the ''[[Galactica|Galactica's]]'' first intake of trainee pilots after 7 experienced pilots are killed in freak accident ([[Act of Contrition]]).

Described as a "boonie jumper", she is placed under the command of Kara Thrace for training, alongside nugget pilots [[Constanza]] and [[Perry]], with whom she forms a friendship.

Thrown in at the deep end - flying [[Viper|Vipers]] on their very first day of training, none of the nuggets performs particularly well - Kat in particular failing to make a [[combat landing]] on ''Galactica''. This leads to the entire intake initially being washed out by Thrace, prior to being reinstated on the orders of Commander [[Adama, William|William Adama]].

Kat's training continues until she is selected to fly with [[Lee Adama]] during a raid to secure [[tylium]] desposits from the Cylons ([[The Hand of God]]).

She also participated in the defense of ''Galactica'' when the battlestar was attempting to relocate the Fleet. ("[[Scattered]]")

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Zak (TOS)

2005-07-19T06:04:37Z

JohnReese: /* Overview */

== Overview ==

Name: Zak

Rank: Lieutenant (source: [http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0819782/ IMDB])

Siblings: [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]] and [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]]

Portrayed by: [[Springfield, Rick|Rick Springfield]] ([http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0819782/ IMDB entry])

Zak was an inexperienced pilot when he was killed by a Cylon ambush at the onset of the [[Battle of Cimtar (TOS)|Battle of Cimtar]].

Zak (TOS)

2005-07-19T06:04:09Z

JohnReese:

== Overview ==

Name: Zak

Rank: Lieutenant (source: [http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0819782/ IMDB]

Siblings: [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]] and [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]]

Portrayed by: [[Springfield, Rick|Rick Springfield]] ([http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0819782/ IMDB entry])

Zak was an inexperienced pilot when he was killed by a Cylon ambush at the onset of the [[Battle of Cimtar (TOS)|Battle of Cimtar]].

Scattered

2005-07-16T19:58:10Z

JohnReese: /* Questions */

[[Image:201 02.jpg|thumb|Col. Tigh with Boomer after her arrest. (Credit: GateWorld.net)]]

== Overview ==

: ''Chaos is rampant as paramedics try to save [[William Adama|Commander Adama]]'s life after he is shot, and the ''[[Galactica]]'' is separated from the fleet.''

== Summary ==

===On Caprica===

* In the [[Delphi Museum]], [[Helo]] and [[Kara Thrace]] (Starbuck), after Starbuck attempts to shoot [[Sharon Valerii]], talk about her being pregnant; Helo believes her, while Starbuck refuses to accept the fact.
* After Starbuck's attempt to shoot Valerii, she absconds from the Delphi Museum's grounds in the [[Cylon Raider]]. (Exclaims Starbuck: "The bitch took my ride.")

== Questions ==

* Does Tigh recall that [[Gaius Baltar]] first tested his [[Cylon detector]] on Valerii? Or did he know in the first place?
* Regarding the firewall status display: What is not to say that the Cylons programmed the display, or more accurately the GUI interface for it, to show a false reading on their intrusion progress?
* Interesting connundrum: If Kelly is the ''Galactica'''s third-in-command, then why haven't we seen (or heard) more from him in the past? It seems to be more or less contrived.
* Just how many aboard the ''Galactica'' agree with Adama's decision to jail Roslin?

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

* [[Socinus]]'s lungs are filling with fluid.
* Captain Kelly is the third in the chain of command, after Tigh.
* Adama and Tigh served on a freighter together after leaving the military; Adama was responsible for bringing Tigh back into the military when he reentered.
* This episode marks the first (known) attempt at networking ''Galactica'''s computer systems.
* Tigh's distrust of Baltar seems evident in this episode, particularly in the reply he made to [[Gaeta]] regarding the trust he had in the Lieutenant's programming abilities over Baltar's.
* Tigh's wife has taken residence in Tigh's quarters.
* The Cylons have unveiled a new craft in this episode: an armed troop carrier.

== Bloopers ==

* During the scene on Caprica, Helo exclaims "for God Sake's" instead of the more Colonial "for Gods' Sakes".

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==




== Official Statements ==




* "We shot a scene where I’m in the brig, and [[Tigh]] is trying to get in my face, and I’m all, 'Just shoot me now, you pussy.' It was great." -- [[Grace Park]], [http://scifi.about.com/od/bgsonscifi/a/parkinter2_2.htm]

* We've almost completed shooting the opening of Season Two, with [[Michael Rymer]] back at the helm filming a two-parter written by [[David Weddle]] & [[Bradley Thompson]] called 'Scattered' and '[[Valley of Darkness]].' Things have been going well so far, with a good mood on the set and a feeling of satisfaction and pride running through the whole team at their accomplishments in year one and anticipation for year two." -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

== Statistics ==



=== Guest Stars ===
*[[IMDB-person:Ty Olsson|Ty Olsson]] ([[Kelly]])
*[[Kate Vernon]] ([[Ellen Tigh]])
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alonso+Oyarzun Alonso Oyarzun] ([[Socinus]])
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1489668/ Leah Cairns] ([[Racetrack]])

=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by [[David Weddle]] & [[Bradley Thompson]]
*Directed by [[Michael Rymer]]

=== Production Notes ===

*Series: 2 (2005 / 2006)
*Production Number: 2.01
*Airdate Order: 1 (of 20)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate: September 2005
*US Airdate: July 15 2005
*DVD Release: (UK)

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Talk:Number Three/Archive 1

2005-07-05T08:25:07Z

JohnReese:

> and may be one of the eight agents Sharon Valerii revealed to be onboard the Galactica.

When did she reveal this? A link to the episode would be helpful.

Vector

2005-05-29T07:27:31Z

JohnReese:

An automaton created by [[Fowler, John R.|John Fowler]] to aid him on his [[Paradeen]] residence. Vector consequently built [[Hector]] from "spare parts" to aid him in building the residence for [[Sarah]], [[Michael]] and the children. (Presumably after Fowler's death.)

He continually berated Hector for errors in judgment and seemed to be the more cantankerous yet level-headed of the two automatons.

Apparently knowlegeable about [[Terra]], he attempted to perform a piece from the [[Royal Theater]] of Terra, an event interdicted by Sarah -- though after the encounter with the [[Eastern Alliance]], she relented, permitting Hector and Vector to put on a show for the children. ([[Greetings from Earth]])

Portrayed by [[IMDB-person:Ray Bolger|Ray Bolger]]

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Borellian Nomen

2005-05-29T05:14:54Z

JohnReese:

A warrior tribe from "the land of the mega sun and the endless sands." They have a bony ridge on their foreheads reminiscent of that of Klingons in that other show. They appear in the episodes [[The Man with Nine Lives (TOS)]] and [[Baltar's Escape (TOS)]]. Named characters include [[Taba]], [[Maga]] and [[Bora]]. They assert at some point that they are in fact human and not an alien race (saying something like "are we not human?"), though it is not clear what relation their group or planet had to the [[Twelve Colonies]]. Mature nomen wear beards and carry weapons called [[laser boles]]

When first encountered in [[The Man with Nine Lives (TOS)]] they are on a [[blood hunt]] for [[Chameleon]].

Borellian Nomen

2005-05-29T05:12:02Z

JohnReese:

A warrior tribe from "the land of the mega sun and the endless sands." They have a bony ridge on their foreheads reminiscent of that of Klingons in that other show. They appear in the episodes [[The Man With Nine Lives (TOS)]] and [[Baltar's Escape (TOS)]]. Named characters include [[Taba]] and [[Bora]]. They assert at some point that they are in fact human and not an alien race (saying something like "are we not human?"), though it is not clear what relation their group or planet had to the [[Twelve Colonies]]. Mature nomen wear beards and carry weapons called [[laser boles]]

When first encountered in [[The Man With Nine Lives (TOS)]] they are hunting [[Chameleon]]; they state that they are on the [[Blood Trail]].

User:JohnReese

2005-03-21T03:23:05Z

JohnReese:

I am a pudgy-faced redhead balancing on the little-known cusp between software engineering and creative writing. My habits include watching TV and correcting misspellings of the "word" Gemenon.

User:JohnReese

2005-03-21T03:20:29Z

JohnReese:

I am a pudgy-faced red-head balancing on the little-known cusp between software engineering and creative writing. My habits include watching TV and correcting misspellings of the "word" Gemenon.

User talk:64.81.61.9

2005-03-21T03:14:11Z

JohnReese:

This IP address is that of user [[JohnReese]]. I just got around to creating an actual account, so my pedanticism will be personally tagged in the future. My contributions so far have mostly been fixing typographical errors. But that can't hurt, right?

User talk:64.81.61.9

2005-03-21T03:12:57Z

JohnReese:

This IP address is that of user JohnReese. My contributions so far have mostly been fixing typographical errors. But that can't hurt, right?