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Maelstrom

2007-03-05T18:47:58Z

Joemc72: /* Teaser */

{{Episode Data
| title= Maelstrom
| image= 3X17-Maelstrom-LeobenStarbuck.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 17
| guests=
| writer= [[David Weddle]] <br> [[Bradley Thompson]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Nankin]]
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| US airdate=
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| dvd=
| population= 41,400
| prev= [[Dirty Hands]]
| next= [[The Son Also Rises]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[Kara Thrace|Kara]]'s past comes back to haunt her when [[William Adama|Adama]] has doubts about her fitness for duty. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/maelstrom/episode/832185/summary.html?tag=ep_list;title;16|title=Maelstrom }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===

*[[Kara Thrace]] is dreaming of her old apartment, trying to paint over the [[Eye of Jupiter|strange mandala]]. The dream is augmented when a [[Leoben Conoy]] comes behind her, and the two embrace and begin to have sex, rolling through the white paint that Thrace attempted to use to cover up the mandala. The mandala "pushes" itself through the white paint to reveal itself.
*[[Hotdog]] looks over to question what Thrace was dreaming in her bunk.
*Thrace meets [[Helo]] in the head. He notes that [[Hera Agathon]] wakes up from frightening dreams as well. Helo notes a psychologist, but when Thrace declines, he also suggests an [[oracle]] camp in [[Dogsville]]. She also sees, as Helo speaks, Thrace see in her mirror an image of a little girl standing by the hatchway, who appears bruised and beaten. When Thrace looks again for the child, she has disappeared.
*Thrace enters the oracle camp and finds a small golden angelic figurine of the goddess Aurora.
*An oracle, [[Brenn]], appears, who tells Thrace to keep the figurine. She asks Thrace to site, where a pool of water sits. The oracle holds Thrace's hand and begins a reading.
*The oracle knows of the Leoben Cylon and the dreams. When the oracle repeats the destiny that Leoben has said, verbatum, Thrace is angered. The oracle continues to repeat Leoben's past words to Thrace, done back when she interrogated a captured copy long ago ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
*Thrace wonders how the oracle could know what was said. The oracle tells her that her mother, [[Socrata Thrace]], was trying to tell her something.
*The oracle notes that Leoben is the answer, who can see the answers to Thrace. Thrace leaves angrily from the tent.

===Act 1===

*[[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] is orbiting a cloudy gas giant planet as they refuel various ships after the fuel crisis had passed ([[Dirty Hands]])
*[[Samuel Anders]], after the two had a lovemaking session, is asking Thrace to join him for some leave time on another ship.
*He complains that the oracle wasn't helpful, and neither was her mother. Thrace notes how the two fought, including Thrace learning to use her mother's phobia of insects for revenge.
*During a refueling operation, Starbuck and [[Hot Dog]] are on [[CAP]] when she thinks she sees an enemy.
*''[[Galactica]]'' can't see the contact, but soon someone finds the bogey: A [[Heavy Raider]].
*As Starbuck goes closer, she sees a storm system that looks remarkably like the mandala. The Raider flies close and, to Starbuck, appears to strike her.
*Starbuck keeps descending into the storm, against [[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s continuous attempts to warn her back up.
*Eventually, Starbuck struggles successfully to return to space, but not after, during the descent, she sees flashes of sights of an apartment with her mother standing there.

===Act 2===
*Starbuck is back aboard, but as [[Galen Tyrol]] and his deck crew inspect her Viper for damage, there is none.
*Starbuck's gun camera shows nothing, as several pilots including [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Lee Adama]], and [[Racetrack]] review it. They don't see Starbuck firing at anything but clouds.
*Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] speaks with his son and questions Thrace's competency. The admiral believes she is close to burnout, but the younger Adama believes her "steely-eyed Viper jock" mentality is all that holds Thrace together. The admiral repeats the question: Can she handle the strain?
*Lee Adama and Thrace are standing in the [[memorial hallway]]. Starbuck asks Major Adama to place her photo next to [[Kat]] if she meets her end before him. Likewise, Adama asks to have his photo next to [[Duck]] and his sweetheart, [[Nora]], both lost on [[New Caprica]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).
*Thrace asks what Lee and Admiral Adama think of her flight readiness. Major Adama tries to give her encouragement but Thrace is distracted by a wax dripping that looks like the mandala.
*Thrace passes by the Admiral and President [[Laura Roslin]] without noticing them when Adama greets her with an [[Nothing but the rain|old tag line]] they shared before the new Cylon War ([[Miniseries]]). Before moving on, Thrace gives him the Aurora figurine from the oracle's tent as a masthead for his sailing ship models.
*As Thrace goes through inspection of her Viper, she again sees a little girl, this time in her cockpit--Thrace as a girl. Her face is bruised and bleeding. Thrace has flashbacks of her mother and is shocked into stopping her inspection.

===Act 3===
*A visibly shaken Thrace sits by her Viper when Lee Adama goes back to check on her.
*Thrace says she is not going back out to fly, not trusting herself. Adama volunteers to be her wingman to give her confidence.
*Thrace asks about [[Anastasia Dualla|Adama's wife]] and how their relationship was going. After a moment of discomfort after he notes things are going well, Thrace tells him that she is happy that things are working out. Thrace says that, as it was in the beginning, the two are back to being platonic.
*During Apollo and Starbuck's CAP, Starbuck sees another bogey and engages, but no one can confirm it on [[DRADIS]] again.
*Admiral Adama chooses caution and orders the Fleet to [[Action Stations|Condition One]] status, stopping refueling once more.
*Apollo is again trying to flag down Starbuck, but she is entranced once more and again flying downward in the clouds.
*Starbuck's Viper is hit by debris. Her forward canopy window is punctured, she is knocked unconscious, and her fighter begins to tumble. An alarm sounds in the cockpit, and the scene blurs to find a sleeping Thrace shutting off a radio alarm and awaking in her apartment, with a Leoben greeting her.
*Thrace believes she is being tricked again, unconscious or on a Cylon ship, but Leoben states otherwise.
*Leoben keeps noting how the mandala shape cloud attracts her, and that she has told anyone little about it.
*Leoben tells her of her tendency to cheat death ever since a day with her mother as they materialize to a small apartment, reliving an event six years ago, where Lieutenant Thrace stands before her mother as she reads a letter from a veterans administration. On the wall is a [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] medal of honor, ostensibly from the first [[Cylon War]].
*Socrata Thrace first congratulates her daughter for being the first of her family to become an officer, then berates her for being only 16th in her class and having many demerits.
*Kara Thrace retaliates by discussing her mother never reaching officer status despite serving in the Cylon War.
*The lieutenant sees a doctor's report that tells that her mother has cancer that has spread rapidly.
*Socrata rejects any attempts of her daughter's sympathy, and Kara Thrace runs out the door, vowing never to return. The "real-world" Starbuck begins to cry as she relives the moment.
*Socrata Thrace stares at a filled dish of cigarette butts.

===Act 4===
*The scene shifts. Leoben tells Thrace how her mother waited at her apartment and died five weeks later.
*When Thrace tells her reluctance to return, Leoben presents her with another image, where she is able to walk to her mother's deathbed, Socata has a scrapbook of every doodle and letter that Thrace made, including one with the mandala.
*Thrace tells her mother that something is about to happen, the thing that her mother was preparing her for. Socrata tells her daughter that she is ready as she holds her mother's hand. As she presses Socrata's hand to her face, her mother takes her last breath. Starbuck cries and then smiles at being able to be there to hear her mother's final words.
*Leoben tells her that death is not hard to embrace, that this was the lesson her mother was trying to teach her daughter.
*When Thrace realizes that Leoben is not actually a Leoben, he replies that he never claimed to be.
*The scene shifts back to the cloud where Starbuck fails to climb. She reawakens, but continues to drop and chase the Raider image. The planetary cloud boundary, the point of no-return also called the "hard deck", is getting closer, upon which the air pressure would crush the viper.
*Starbuck finally calls out to Apollo: "Lee, I'll see you on the other side." As Apollo frantically calls her to wave off, she repeats, in a whisper, "Just let me go."
*Starbuck sees a vision of white light in her cockpit, and she smiles. Viewers also see an image of herself as a young girl in the same white light.
*Just as Apollo gains visual of Starbuck, her Viper explodes. There is no ejection or rescue chute.
*Apollo reports the grim news to [[CIC]]. Everyone, from [[Saul Tigh]] to [[Gaeta]] to Admiral Adama, is visibly heartbroken.
*William Adama tries to work on his sailing ship model, with the Aurora figurine now attached, which fits perfectly. But his anger and grief over the loss of Kara Thrace leads him to destroy the model and begin to cry heavily.

==Bonus Scene==
*The scene begins shortly before Act 3, where, as Starbuck inspects her Viper, she finds hydraulic fluid, and becomes visibly angry at Chief Tyrol. Major Adama moves in to attempt to calm her down.

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

* Although Starbuck is contemplating to eject from her damaged Viper, the planet is a gas giant. It doesn't have a solid surface and the atmosphere would crush her just like a ship. Thus, even if she successfully ejected, her survival is doubtful.

== Notes ==
*Katee Sackhoff had to sign a confidentiality agreement relating to what happened to her character in this episode.
*Adama can be seen building his model ship in "[[Home, Part I]]".

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1317886/ Georgia Craig] as Oracle Brenn
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0528147/ Dorothy Lyman] as Socrata Thrace

== References ==
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{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Maelstrom]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Maelstrom]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Maelstrom]]
[[Category:Episodes written by David Weddle]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Bradley Thompson]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Nankin]]
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Caprica-Six

2007-01-25T19:55:54Z

Joemc72: /* Notes */

:''This page is about "Caprica-Six", the copy of Cylon Model Number Six who seduced Gaius Baltar on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in order to sabotage Colonial defenses in the Cylon attack. For information on two other named Number Six copies seen in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], see [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina]]. For general information on the model, see [[Number Six]].''

{{Character Data
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|death= Killed by nuclear shockwave and reborn. ([[Miniseries]]) Shot by [[Number Five]] and reborn. ([[Precipice]])
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Prior to the attack, '''Caprica-Six'''<ref name="name">"Caprica-Six" is not a fan-invented name. She is literally called "Caprica-Six" in dialog in "[[Downloaded]]", which is revealed in a conversation which explains that it is a nickname the Cylons developed to distinguish this "hero" from all of the other copies. This may actually be a jab by the writers at fans, who earlier came up with the fan designations "''Galactica''-Sharon" and "Caprica-Sharon" to tell various Cylon copies apart. </ref> was a copy of Six who played an important role in preparing the way for a Cylon invasion.

For two years, Caprica-Six lived on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Seducing the ambitious, self-obsessed, arrogant [[Gaius Baltar]], she fools him into believing she was a corporate spy, seeking to gain advantage over her competitors in order to secure a lucrative defense contract. Over the course of two years, she used Baltar to gain access to his work -- even to the extent of re-writing many of his own algorithms -- in order to subvert his own [[Command Navigation Program]] so that it could be used in the forthcoming Cylon attack to cripple Colonial forces.

Near the end of the two years, she sees a baby in a pram in a market place. The baby's mother is also present but then becomes distracted with someone else talking to her. Caprica-Six takes a closer look at the baby and snaps its neck and walks away looking distressed, possibly to spare it from the coming nuclear holocaust.

When the Cylon attack starts, Caprica-Six tells Baltar how she is a Cylon, and what her real goal with is CNP was. When a shockwave from one of the nuclear bombs rips through Baltar's house, her body is destroyed as she tries to protect him from it ([[Miniseries]]).

She is reborn into a new body and is hailed as a "Hero of the Cylon". Just as Baltar has visions of her, Caprica-Six has persistent visions of ''Gaius Baltar''. When she asks the other Cylons, particularly [[Number Three]], if Baltar was still alive, the copy of Number Three replies that he died along with nearly everyone else still on Caprica and the other colonies.

While living on Cylon-occupied Caprica, her vision of Baltar and her own developing feelings and intuition leads her to question some of the basic ideals that the Cylons hold dear. Unbeknownst to her, Number Three becomes distressed with her lingering attachment to Baltar and seeks to manipulate her feelings in order to make her unstable, thus giving the Cylons an excuse to "[[boxing|box]]" her. Three points Caprica-Six in the direction of a [[Number Eight]] who was having trouble adjusting to life as a Cylon and still clinging to her old false human identity; [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], formerly of the battlestar ''Galactica''.

[[Image:Caprica NC.jpg|thumb|left|Caprica during the occupation]]
Through her counseling work with "Boomer"-Eight she learns that Three had deceived her; Baltar is not only alive but is also Vice President of the Colonies in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|surviving human fleet]]. After uncovering the lie about Baltar's death, she and Boomer-Eight began to question themselves more about their brethren. If murder was a sin in the eyes of [[God]] when committed by humans, why is genocide condoned by God when committed by Cylons? Questions like these begin to take hold in Caprica-Six's mind and are compounded by feelings of guilt for her role in the attack on the Colonies. While trapped in a garage with Boomer-Eight, Three and [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], Caprica-Six directly confronts the hypocrisy of the Cylons and ultimately rejects the false "truths" of her existence. She chooses instead to use her newfound celebrity to speak out against the Cylon's continuing war against humanity. Together with Boomer-Eight, she sets out to bring fundamental changes to Cylon society, their first action being to save the life of Anders ([[Downloaded]]).

Just over a year after the human colonization of [[New Caprica]], Caprica-Six is one of the leaders (with [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer-Eight]] and a copy of [[Number Five]]) of the Cylon forces that meets now-President Baltar. In just a few words, Caprica-Six reveals to Baltar that she remembers precisely who he is, and how she missed him ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

Caprica and Baltar attempt to renew their relationship during the Cylon occupation of New Caprica, to the ridicule of some of the Cylons and the challenge of Number Three. The relationship is rocky, as Baltar's very survival rests on Caprica's feelings for him. Caprica is also the only Cylon who attempts to befriend Baltar's aides, such as [[Felix Gaeta]]. Her attempts are ultimately unsuccessful, as Baltar can't connect emotionally to her and even fails physically ("[[Occupation]]", "[[Precipice]]").

[[Image:Capry.jpg|thumb|right|Caprica-Six on a Cylon baseship]]
During the withdrawal of the Cylons from New Caprica, Caprica and Baltar try to stop Three from detonating a nuclear bomb, and discover [[Hera]] in the process ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

Later, Caprica appears to regret her decisions, as Baltar's status with the Cylons rests on the vote of the Sixes ([[Collaborators]]). Eventually she votes to keep him alive, though she treats him poorly up until the time he is tortured by [[Number Three]]. From then on she is sleeping with both Baltar and the Number Three that tortured him ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).

As their relationship continues and time passes, Caprica begins to become isolated from Baltar and Three, who are occupied investigating the mystery of the [[final five]] Cylons. Eventually she confronts them on the fact, which leads Three to declare that their relationship is over, and that their destiny is separate from Caprica's. As Three and Baltar depart to the [[Algae planet]], Caprica is left heartbroken ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).

===Notes===
*According to the [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel)|novelization]] of the [[Miniseries]] by [http://www.starrigger.net/ SF novelist Jeffrey A. Carver], the name that Baltar called Six before she revealed she was a Cylon during the attack was "Natasi." {{IPA|nə.ˈtɑ.si}} This name appears to be Polish in origin. Since this name has never been mentioned in the events of the screenplay or regular episodes, and as other names in the book, such as [[Cally]], do not match existing aired or official information, this name should be treated as a [[Battlestar Wiki:Separate continuity|separate continuity]].
*In an [http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700002601 interview], [[David Eick]] stated that there was never a canonical name which Baltar called Number Six while she was on Caprica, and "We always liked the idea that Baltar was a man of many tastes and that there's every likelihood that he never knew her name".
*[[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]] echoed this in [[Podcast:The Battlestar Roundtable|The Battlestar Roundtable podcast]] when asked about Number Six's name by [[James Callis]] and [[Jamie Bamber]]. Moore stated that Baltar "just didn't care enough" to learn her name. <ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Battlestar Roundtable|act=|id=|timestamp=18:21|totalrunning=177:58}}</ref>
*Also mentioned in the Roundtable podcast, [[Michael Rymer]] said his take on Six's name was that, in the spirit of a ''[[wikipedia:Seinfeld|Seinfeld]]'' episode, Baltar just missed Number Six's name when they met and he spent the next two years of their relationship just trying to see how far he could get with her without ever mentioning her name.<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Battlestar Roundtable|act=|id=|timestamp=18:46|totalrunning=177:58}}</ref>
*Caprica-Six's outfit after her resurrection is considerably less elaborate than what she wore when working with Baltar, and she wears far less make-up, indicating that she only dressed so seductively for her mission.
*Caprica-Six's personality in "Downloaded" implies she might have shown humanity more compassion by, say, hailing them first, or landing ''outside'' the city, implying that her conversion of Cylon society isn't as complete as the [[Cavil]]s claimed or once was but has regressed in the interim year.
*Caprica-Six is seen in trailers for the second half of [[Season 3]] with [[Sharon Agathon]]. Not much is shown, though, possibly only through creative promo editing, {{spoiltext|it seems that the two Cylons are recent arrivals on ''Galactica'', defending [[Baltar]].}}

==References==
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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Characters (RDM)]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
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Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian

2006-03-17T18:02:37Z

Joemc72: /* The Merovingian */

===[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]]===
[[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|Back to RFA]].

'''[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:<nowiki>Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian</nowiki>|action=edit}} Vote here] '''
'''(3/2/4) ending <nowiki>04:46</nowiki> 18 March 2006 (UTC)'''

{{User|The Merovingian}} – Self-nom.

:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' I am the Merovingian, and I accept this nomination. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:59, 11 March 2006 (CST)


'''Support'''
<ol><li>[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 02:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
<ol style="list-style:none;"><li><s>[[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]] 09:41, 15 March 2006 (CST)</s></li>
:<li>Member since 16 March 2006. Vote will not be counted. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
<ol start="2"><li>'''Support.''' It looks like he's got the skiffy vote. He's got my vote too, though the price he'll pay is a thorough explanation of it. I weighed both the pros and the cons carefully before voting this way. Lets start with the cons. 1) Merv can be short, sarcastic, and can generally push peoples buttons and rub them the wrong way. His [[Wikipedia:Gunboat diplomacy|diplomacy]] (joke courtesy of Merv, I hadn't caught that until today) has gotten a lot better lately, especially with regards to edit summaries, which were where I think most people were getting annoyed. People DO read the edit summaries, and what you say in those can end up being as important (or even more important) than the actual edit. 2) Merv has a rep for biting newbies. "Noobies are the rungs on the ladder of success; don't hesistate to step on them." [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1601766&Searchpage=1&Main=1600979&Words=rungs+The_Merovingian&topic=&Search=true#Post1601766 Exhibit A] Part of this is just how he operates anyway (he's equally short and sarcastic with everyone). However, he has of late made significant strides [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Laineylain&diff=prev&oldid=35629 Exhibit B] in both welcoming newbies, as well as calmly discussing issues with them [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=prev&oldid=36155 Exhibit C]. There still might be some room for improvement [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Stealthboy&diff=prev&oldid=36306 Exhibit D] (maybe greet them BEFORE assuming bad faith), but nobody's perfect. (And he's been greeting more folks than I have.) Those are the main items I have in the con pile. Now on to the pro's. 1)He's an outspoken advocate of the wiki at scifi.com. Exhibits [[User:Dogger|E]] and [[User:Mazzy|F]] are present higher up on the page. Whenever a topic comes up that has some coverage over here, you can pretty well count on Merv to provide a relevent link. That leads to more eyes on the subject, and hopefully more contributors eventually. 2)Merv is a zealous fact checker. Anybody can baselessly speculate elsewhere, but Merv holds the wiki to a high standard, ensuring accuracy. (I think he gets frustrated when he realizes that such standards cannot be upheld elsewhere.) If he makes a claim, it's going to be grounded in canon, and if you can disprove it in canon he will acknowledge his error. 3)Merv is a tireless contributor. He spends a lot of time figuring this stuff out, and it shows. His zealous dedication may have something to do with the contempt he has for those who show little thought or effort behind their words (but I'm just speculating). I was tempted to copy an excerpt from an argument he had here to Scifi.com. In it, the person Merv was having a discussion with accused him of not being a dedicated enough BSG fan (having not seen TOS), and therefore of basically having too much of a life outside of BSG. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing, as his biggest detractors over at skiffy usually claim quite the opposite. In the end, this RFA isn't a popularity contest. (Though I may be biased, having been selected as an admin with the fewest popular votes ever.) The RFA is about whether or not Merv will use the mop as it is intended to be used. I believe he shall. That being said, I caution Merv to remember that if he thought he was under scrutiny before, it will be doubly so now. Your detractors/enemies are likely to look for any excuse they can find to try to take your mop away. It is my hope that you don't give them one, and instead crack them over the head with your mace of facts, pin them against the wall with your shield of canon, and then... maybe win them over with that razor wit. So that we can have some more productive contributors here at the battlewiki. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:11, 16 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
<ol style="list-style:none;"><li><s>[[User:Artlogical|Artlogical]] 12:08, 16 March 2006 (EST)</s></li>
:<li>Member since 16 March 2006. Vote will not be counted. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li>
<li><s>[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 08:51, 16 March 2006 (CST)</s></li>
:<li>Member since 26 February 2006. Vote will not be counted. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
<ol start="3"><li>[[User:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 17:11, 17th March</li></ol>
'''Oppose'''
<ol style="list-style:none;"><li><s>I've found the Merovingian more than a bit vindictive and superior-sounding. He has a tendency to declare a particular article or piece of information to be useless or redundant while others disagree, acting as though his opinion was the universe's absolute standard of truth, and is not very open to discussion about it. He nominated himself, what does that tell you? If it was me (and it won't be, for I have no interest in the position at all) I would have asked an admin if they would nominate me.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:16, 16 March 2006 (EST)</s></li>
:<li>Member since 3 March 2006. Vote will not be counted. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
#While Merv has made vast improvements in the past months, I still do not believe he is administrator material. An administrator has many tasks, however, one of the most important administrator tasks is conflict resolution, since is it a task that not everyone can do. I believe that Merv has demonstrated that he has a holier-than-thou attitude, especially towards newbies. He is an EXCELLENT contributor, of that I am more than sure. However, he can continue to contribute in the professional methodology and high-volumes he has shown, without being an administrator. Also, it is not as if we have a shortage of administrators here at Battlestar Wiki. The five we have are fast, fair, and knowledgeable. In short, the powers that would be granted to Merv as an adminstrator would not positivley augment his best qualities (his knowledge of all things BSG, his thoroughness, and his rapidity), but rather would amplify his shortcomings. (his occasional rudeness, and shortness with newbies) I have come to respect Merv as a major contributor to the wiki, but with the desire to uphold the quality and continued prosperity of the wiki as my number one goal, I cannot in good concience vote positive on Merv's self RFA. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 15:58, 16 March 2006 (CST)
<ol style="list-style:none;"><li><s>Vote fraud. Even if he had a more votes than Oppose votes, it would have been 80%. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 22:54, 16 March 2006 (CST)</s></li>
*That is a serious accusation, which I will insist you back up. The fact that Merv's friends from SciFi.com came here to vote for him should certainly not be a mark against him, although the weight we should give to their opinions can be debated. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:31, 16 March 2006 (CST)
**I have looked around the Scifi.com boards and the weight he has there out-weighs here. Even though I am usually not against the person, but the method on how these votes would be counted. It just so happens two nights before it ends, votes popup and a large part of the support comes from SciFi.com. Sounds like private messageing favors to me. Nothing against Merovingian, there are over 1,000 people on these wiki, and only the ones that have been here less than a month would have gotten him Adminship. Hold it against me if you do, but that is my reason. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 00:02, 17 March 2006 (CST)
***In my opinion, your vote should be decided based solely on your judgement of Merv's qualifications and character. We can address the Scifi.com issue afterwards. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:01, 17 March 2006 (CST)
****Moved vote to Neutral based on Joe's new policy on 3 Week Notice. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 10:34, 17 March 2006 (CST)</ol>
:::::Hasn't Shane been registered since at least 20 January 2006? What's the 3 week notice in this case? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:08, 17 March 2006 (CST)
<ol start="2"><li>Oppose. I respect Merv as, probably, the most prolific and accurate contributer to this Wiki. The posts above have enumerated much of what he's done for the Wiki. So that's not why I'm voting oppose. I'm also not voting oppose regarding Merv's experiences head-butting with other users. I think he's come a long way with that and been able to think about his communication with others here from new angles. I think he deserves some recognition for that, as well. One of the things I was thinking about when mulling this over and deciding how I'd vote is actually best summed up in Peter's [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What_adminship_is_not#Adminship_is_not_a_trophy|link below]]. Specifically, it is not something to be made the prize in a bet, even if it '''is''' just one vote. Also, there are a few comments regarding admins that Merv has made that make me think he misunderstands, slightly, the role and status that an admin (should) play and hold here. He has implied that admin votes when seeking consensus count a bit more and that admins hold some other kind status-oriented powers like that. Just in case it's not clear from my tone, I think that point of view is not a good one for a user to have, let alone an admin. Lastly, though Merv seems like he's outgrown some of his abbrasiveness, I think he still lacks a certain patience. If he finds some error that is not easily solved (something more than editing, like moving a page, or merging two, etc.), he will tend, in my obsevation, to make the change as soon as he proves to himself that such action is needed. I've picked up cues from those who were admins before me that, even if I (or whoever) cannot conceive of a half-decent reason to not make the change, it's still best to wait a few days in case someone else has one (or a week, maybe... more... this is fuzzy). Often, this just delays the appropriate action, but it allows all parties to voice their opinions before their folly is demonstrated and more meticulous (or whatever) minds prevail. This flaw is actually part and parcel with Merv's tendency to catch a lot of mistakes quickly. The man is like the Flash... He just needs to learn when to slow down to the speed of us mortal who cannot run on water. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:43, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
'''Neutral'''
#[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 15 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Shane|Shane]] 10:34, 17 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:02, 17 March 2006 (CST)

'''Comments'''
*Merv's behavior and contributions have been excellent lately, but given his sometimes mercurial disposition, I would feel more comfortable supporting his RFA if it were taking place in a few weeks' time. I will not oppose it, but I will have to contemplate the matter more before I can decide whether to support or cast my vote as neutral. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 11 March 2006 (CST)
**Nonetheless, I have chosen to make the vote now. Vote what you want.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:14, 11 March 2006 (CST)
*Why is it that I cannot vote on this page? I have been registered for months and my email has been authenticated since November, but whenever I click the Vote Here link I get an apparently illegal url that includes an unresolved subsitution (FULLPAGENAME), and it comes up 'Bad Link'. I tried in Safari, in Camino, in Firefox, and in Internet Explorer for the Mac. No dice. Can't vote.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 23:39, 11 March 2006 (CST)
**Okay, I just voted by using the 'Edit' link and adding my name to the list, instead of by using the nonfunctional 'Vote Here' link. I hope that is acceptable.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 02:39, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:::In order for the "Vote here" button to work, you have to paste in the full wiki page name where the FULLPAGENAME was. I fixed the link (for those that don't want to just "edit". I also updated the vote count to reflect Dogger's vote (which was perfectly acceptable). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)
*Don't know what you guy's are on about, i'm a n00bie(or was) and merv is perfectly nice to me, helping me with wiki standards, rules, methods etc, more than anyone else did. Like you said, he does alot here. It's best to reward people for that. - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 17th March, 2006
**[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What_adminship_is_not#Adminship_is_not_a_trophy|Adminship is not a trophy]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:30, 17 March 2006 (CST)

'''Questions for the candidate'''<br />

''A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:''
:'''1.''' What duties, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out [[:Category:Project Page]]s for a list of projects.
::A. Episode Summaries, episode analysis, episode questions, episode notes. Character bios. Cylon series. Spearheading the Writer/Director category project. Furthing the [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] project (and fighting the grave threat posed by the [[Season two timeline discontinuity]]). The [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Battles series]]. Going through every source of ''information'' available, be it GalacticaStation, GateWorld, NowPlayingMagazine, Lucy Lawless fansites, Ron Moore's blog, the official messageboards, several shadowy rumor mills which I cannot disclose, and the podcasts, in order to obtain, analyze, developed and post as much ''information'' as possible on this Wiki, and turn it into a truly reliable "go-to" site for up to the minute BSG information.

:'''2.''' Of your articles or contributions here, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
::A. The battles pages, all of which were of my own design (I made the battleboxes for Lord of the Rings battles on standard wikipedia, and when these were done, I wanted to keep doing something like that so I created the battles series here); secondly, due yo my vast knowledge of BSG trivial facts and analysis, I have made great contributions to the episode guides, and as it's not like I have a life outside of this :) I'm usually the first to post notes for an episode up after it airs (though this is not a rule), and I'm really happy with the episode guide stuff I've done (check the history tabs, etc). I guess a random sampling of some of my better works would be [[Downloaded]], [[Cally]], [[Uniform]], [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] etc., my great contributions to [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies]] (ever vigilant), and pretty much the entire episode guide. I spearheaded the most recent movement (after debate for months) to give Cylon copies who have become individuals their own character pages, and to consider them separate characters.

:'''3.''' Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
::A. They are beyond count. Yet of late I have met these challenges with firm determination and responsibility.

:'''4.''' What can't you do as a standard contributor that administrator-ship would enable or allow you to do?

[[User:The Merovingian]] I think I'd be good for administrator because of A) My stagering knowledge of all things BSG (haha), B) my extensive body of work here notably on the episode guides, battle pages, and C) My good looks. I'm formally putting myself up for nomination, etc. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:46, 10 March 2006 (CST)

:My campaign music: [http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/audio/Bear_McCreary_-_Resurrection_Ship.mp3 enjoy] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:31, 11 March 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian

2006-03-17T18:02:13Z

Joemc72:

===[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]]===
[[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|Back to RFA]].

'''[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:<nowiki>Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian</nowiki>|action=edit}} Vote here] '''
'''(3/2/3) ending <nowiki>04:46</nowiki> 18 March 2006 (UTC)'''

{{User|The Merovingian}} – Self-nom.

:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' I am the Merovingian, and I accept this nomination. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:59, 11 March 2006 (CST)


'''Support'''
<ol><li>[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 02:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
<ol style="list-style:none;"><li><s>[[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]] 09:41, 15 March 2006 (CST)</s></li>
:<li>Member since 16 March 2006. Vote will not be counted. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
<ol start="2"><li>'''Support.''' It looks like he's got the skiffy vote. He's got my vote too, though the price he'll pay is a thorough explanation of it. I weighed both the pros and the cons carefully before voting this way. Lets start with the cons. 1) Merv can be short, sarcastic, and can generally push peoples buttons and rub them the wrong way. His [[Wikipedia:Gunboat diplomacy|diplomacy]] (joke courtesy of Merv, I hadn't caught that until today) has gotten a lot better lately, especially with regards to edit summaries, which were where I think most people were getting annoyed. People DO read the edit summaries, and what you say in those can end up being as important (or even more important) than the actual edit. 2) Merv has a rep for biting newbies. "Noobies are the rungs on the ladder of success; don't hesistate to step on them." [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1601766&Searchpage=1&Main=1600979&Words=rungs+The_Merovingian&topic=&Search=true#Post1601766 Exhibit A] Part of this is just how he operates anyway (he's equally short and sarcastic with everyone). However, he has of late made significant strides [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Laineylain&diff=prev&oldid=35629 Exhibit B] in both welcoming newbies, as well as calmly discussing issues with them [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=prev&oldid=36155 Exhibit C]. There still might be some room for improvement [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Stealthboy&diff=prev&oldid=36306 Exhibit D] (maybe greet them BEFORE assuming bad faith), but nobody's perfect. (And he's been greeting more folks than I have.) Those are the main items I have in the con pile. Now on to the pro's. 1)He's an outspoken advocate of the wiki at scifi.com. Exhibits [[User:Dogger|E]] and [[User:Mazzy|F]] are present higher up on the page. Whenever a topic comes up that has some coverage over here, you can pretty well count on Merv to provide a relevent link. That leads to more eyes on the subject, and hopefully more contributors eventually. 2)Merv is a zealous fact checker. Anybody can baselessly speculate elsewhere, but Merv holds the wiki to a high standard, ensuring accuracy. (I think he gets frustrated when he realizes that such standards cannot be upheld elsewhere.) If he makes a claim, it's going to be grounded in canon, and if you can disprove it in canon he will acknowledge his error. 3)Merv is a tireless contributor. He spends a lot of time figuring this stuff out, and it shows. His zealous dedication may have something to do with the contempt he has for those who show little thought or effort behind their words (but I'm just speculating). I was tempted to copy an excerpt from an argument he had here to Scifi.com. In it, the person Merv was having a discussion with accused him of not being a dedicated enough BSG fan (having not seen TOS), and therefore of basically having too much of a life outside of BSG. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing, as his biggest detractors over at skiffy usually claim quite the opposite. In the end, this RFA isn't a popularity contest. (Though I may be biased, having been selected as an admin with the fewest popular votes ever.) The RFA is about whether or not Merv will use the mop as it is intended to be used. I believe he shall. That being said, I caution Merv to remember that if he thought he was under scrutiny before, it will be doubly so now. Your detractors/enemies are likely to look for any excuse they can find to try to take your mop away. It is my hope that you don't give them one, and instead crack them over the head with your mace of facts, pin them against the wall with your shield of canon, and then... maybe win them over with that razor wit. So that we can have some more productive contributors here at the battlewiki. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:11, 16 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
<ol style="list-style:none;"><li><s>[[User:Artlogical|Artlogical]] 12:08, 16 March 2006 (EST)</s></li>
:<li>Member since 16 March 2006. Vote will not be counted. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li>
<li><s>[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 08:51, 16 March 2006 (CST)</s></li>
:<li>Member since 26 February 2006. Vote will not be counted. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
<ol start="3"><li>[[User:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 17:11, 17th March</li></ol>
'''Oppose'''
<ol style="list-style:none;"><li><s>I've found the Merovingian more than a bit vindictive and superior-sounding. He has a tendency to declare a particular article or piece of information to be useless or redundant while others disagree, acting as though his opinion was the universe's absolute standard of truth, and is not very open to discussion about it. He nominated himself, what does that tell you? If it was me (and it won't be, for I have no interest in the position at all) I would have asked an admin if they would nominate me.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:16, 16 March 2006 (EST)</s></li>
:<li>Member since 3 March 2006. Vote will not be counted. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
#While Merv has made vast improvements in the past months, I still do not believe he is administrator material. An administrator has many tasks, however, one of the most important administrator tasks is conflict resolution, since is it a task that not everyone can do. I believe that Merv has demonstrated that he has a holier-than-thou attitude, especially towards newbies. He is an EXCELLENT contributor, of that I am more than sure. However, he can continue to contribute in the professional methodology and high-volumes he has shown, without being an administrator. Also, it is not as if we have a shortage of administrators here at Battlestar Wiki. The five we have are fast, fair, and knowledgeable. In short, the powers that would be granted to Merv as an adminstrator would not positivley augment his best qualities (his knowledge of all things BSG, his thoroughness, and his rapidity), but rather would amplify his shortcomings. (his occasional rudeness, and shortness with newbies) I have come to respect Merv as a major contributor to the wiki, but with the desire to uphold the quality and continued prosperity of the wiki as my number one goal, I cannot in good concience vote positive on Merv's self RFA. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 15:58, 16 March 2006 (CST)
<ol style="list-style:none;"><li><s>Vote fraud. Even if he had a more votes than Oppose votes, it would have been 80%. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 22:54, 16 March 2006 (CST)</s></li>
*That is a serious accusation, which I will insist you back up. The fact that Merv's friends from SciFi.com came here to vote for him should certainly not be a mark against him, although the weight we should give to their opinions can be debated. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:31, 16 March 2006 (CST)
**I have looked around the Scifi.com boards and the weight he has there out-weighs here. Even though I am usually not against the person, but the method on how these votes would be counted. It just so happens two nights before it ends, votes popup and a large part of the support comes from SciFi.com. Sounds like private messageing favors to me. Nothing against Merovingian, there are over 1,000 people on these wiki, and only the ones that have been here less than a month would have gotten him Adminship. Hold it against me if you do, but that is my reason. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 00:02, 17 March 2006 (CST)
***In my opinion, your vote should be decided based solely on your judgement of Merv's qualifications and character. We can address the Scifi.com issue afterwards. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:01, 17 March 2006 (CST)
****Moved vote to Neutral based on Joe's new policy on 3 Week Notice. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 10:34, 17 March 2006 (CST)</ol>
:::::Hasn't Shane been registered since at least 20 January 2006? What's the 3 week notice in this case? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:08, 17 March 2006 (CST)
<ol start="2"><li>Oppose. I respect Merv as, probably, the most prolific and accurate contributer to this Wiki. The posts above have enumerated much of what he's done for the Wiki. So that's not why I'm voting oppose. I'm also not voting oppose regarding Merv's experiences head-butting with other users. I think he's come a long way with that and been able to think about his communication with others here from new angles. I think he deserves some recognition for that, as well. One of the things I was thinking about when mulling this over and deciding how I'd vote is actually best summed up in Peter's [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What_adminship_is_not#Adminship_is_not_a_trophy|link below]]. Specifically, it is not something to be made the prize in a bet, even if it '''is''' just one vote. Also, there are a few comments regarding admins that Merv has made that make me think he misunderstands, slightly, the role and status that an admin (should) play and hold here. He has implied that admin votes when seeking consensus count a bit more and that admins hold some other kind status-oriented powers like that. Just in case it's not clear from my tone, I think that point of view is not a good one for a user to have, let alone an admin. Lastly, though Merv seems like he's outgrown some of his abbrasiveness, I think he still lacks a certain patience. If he finds some error that is not easily solved (something more than editing, like moving a page, or merging two, etc.), he will tend, in my obsevation, to make the change as soon as he proves to himself that such action is needed. I've picked up cues from those who were admins before me that, even if I (or whoever) cannot conceive of a half-decent reason to not make the change, it's still best to wait a few days in case someone else has one (or a week, maybe... more... this is fuzzy). Often, this just delays the appropriate action, but it allows all parties to voice their opinions before their folly is demonstrated and more meticulous (or whatever) minds prevail. This flaw is actually part and parcel with Merv's tendency to catch a lot of mistakes quickly. The man is like the Flash... He just needs to learn when to slow down to the speed of us mortal who cannot run on water. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:43, 17 March 2006 (CST)</li></ol>
'''Neutral'''
#[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 15 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Shane|Shane]] 10:34, 17 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:02, 17 March 2006 (CST)

'''Comments'''
*Merv's behavior and contributions have been excellent lately, but given his sometimes mercurial disposition, I would feel more comfortable supporting his RFA if it were taking place in a few weeks' time. I will not oppose it, but I will have to contemplate the matter more before I can decide whether to support or cast my vote as neutral. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 11 March 2006 (CST)
**Nonetheless, I have chosen to make the vote now. Vote what you want.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:14, 11 March 2006 (CST)
*Why is it that I cannot vote on this page? I have been registered for months and my email has been authenticated since November, but whenever I click the Vote Here link I get an apparently illegal url that includes an unresolved subsitution (FULLPAGENAME), and it comes up 'Bad Link'. I tried in Safari, in Camino, in Firefox, and in Internet Explorer for the Mac. No dice. Can't vote.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 23:39, 11 March 2006 (CST)
**Okay, I just voted by using the 'Edit' link and adding my name to the list, instead of by using the nonfunctional 'Vote Here' link. I hope that is acceptable.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 02:39, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:::In order for the "Vote here" button to work, you have to paste in the full wiki page name where the FULLPAGENAME was. I fixed the link (for those that don't want to just "edit". I also updated the vote count to reflect Dogger's vote (which was perfectly acceptable). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)
*Don't know what you guy's are on about, i'm a n00bie(or was) and merv is perfectly nice to me, helping me with wiki standards, rules, methods etc, more than anyone else did. Like you said, he does alot here. It's best to reward people for that. - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 17th March, 2006
**[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What_adminship_is_not#Adminship_is_not_a_trophy|Adminship is not a trophy]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:30, 17 March 2006 (CST)

'''Questions for the candidate'''<br />

''A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:''
:'''1.''' What duties, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out [[:Category:Project Page]]s for a list of projects.
::A. Episode Summaries, episode analysis, episode questions, episode notes. Character bios. Cylon series. Spearheading the Writer/Director category project. Furthing the [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] project (and fighting the grave threat posed by the [[Season two timeline discontinuity]]). The [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Battles series]]. Going through every source of ''information'' available, be it GalacticaStation, GateWorld, NowPlayingMagazine, Lucy Lawless fansites, Ron Moore's blog, the official messageboards, several shadowy rumor mills which I cannot disclose, and the podcasts, in order to obtain, analyze, developed and post as much ''information'' as possible on this Wiki, and turn it into a truly reliable "go-to" site for up to the minute BSG information.

:'''2.''' Of your articles or contributions here, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
::A. The battles pages, all of which were of my own design (I made the battleboxes for Lord of the Rings battles on standard wikipedia, and when these were done, I wanted to keep doing something like that so I created the battles series here); secondly, due yo my vast knowledge of BSG trivial facts and analysis, I have made great contributions to the episode guides, and as it's not like I have a life outside of this :) I'm usually the first to post notes for an episode up after it airs (though this is not a rule), and I'm really happy with the episode guide stuff I've done (check the history tabs, etc). I guess a random sampling of some of my better works would be [[Downloaded]], [[Cally]], [[Uniform]], [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] etc., my great contributions to [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies]] (ever vigilant), and pretty much the entire episode guide. I spearheaded the most recent movement (after debate for months) to give Cylon copies who have become individuals their own character pages, and to consider them separate characters.

:'''3.''' Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
::A. They are beyond count. Yet of late I have met these challenges with firm determination and responsibility.

:'''4.''' What can't you do as a standard contributor that administrator-ship would enable or allow you to do?

[[User:The Merovingian]] I think I'd be good for administrator because of A) My stagering knowledge of all things BSG (haha), B) my extensive body of work here notably on the episode guides, battle pages, and C) My good looks. I'm formally putting myself up for nomination, etc. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:46, 10 March 2006 (CST)

:My campaign music: [http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/audio/Bear_McCreary_-_Resurrection_Ship.mp3 enjoy] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:31, 11 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:Fall of New Caprica/Archive 1

2006-03-15T17:49:31Z

Joemc72:

This isn't a battle, or a "fall" of anthing. Please see our Standards and Conventions page's Battle write up. This was an "event", but no ships engaged each other and no soldiers shot at anything. It should be deleted. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:38, 15 March 2006 (CST)

:While it is kind of a "fall", I agree it isn't really a battle. It's even less of a battle than Galactica vs Pegasus (and that one barely survived). No shots were fired in anger, and there wasn't even a serious threat that ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' would stay and fight. In Galactica vs Pegasus, both sides had their weapons ready and aimed at each other. In this instance, only one side was effectively armed. There's no doubt that this is a significant event that deserves to be described, but it's too much of a stretch to classify it as a battle. The actual battle text could be summed up as "The Cylons show up, the Colonial Fleet retreats." --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:20, 15 March 2006 (CST)

::I think it qualifies as a battle, or at least a rather significant military action, and was certainly a "fall," in fact, the fall and occupation of the newly established home planet of humanity. A massively superior Cylon force jumped in, the Adamas evaluated the siutation and made a tactical or strategic retreat from their position, which was then overrun by the Cylons. If this was not a "battle," (or at the absolute minimum a military event at least as significant as the "battle" between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' in "Pegasus" and "Resurrection Ship, Part I") then neither was the fall of Saigon or the evacuation at Dunkirk in World War II. We can argue all day about the technical definition of a "battle" (and point me to the proper Standards and Conventions definition, I cannot find it on the standards and conventions page), but this is a significant event, and the page should remain. --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 08:46, 15 March 2006 (CST)

::: Standards & Conventions can be found [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|here]], but there's nothing on it about the battle pages yet. Merv may be referring to the guidelines outlined in the talk page. I'll quote what I believe he is referring to:

:::<begin quote>
:::Generally, something deserves an article if:

:::* 1) A Colonial ship is destroyed (Vipers, Raptors, etc). They can't easily be replaced, and the loss of even one can be considered a blow. (The upcoming engagements in "Scar" might be a skirmish instead of a battle, depends how many ships are involved at once).
:::* 2) A massive number of Cylon vessels is destroyed, making the engagement a noteworthy event. For example, the "Great Cylon Turkey Shoot" resulted in no Colonial losses whatsoever, yet so many Cylons (hundreds of ships) were destroyed that it warrants it's own page.

:::An example of something that would not deserve it's own page is like when 2 Raiders were destroyed in "Final Cut", with no Colonial losses. No personnel or ships were lost, and the losses to the Cylons were insignificant in the extreme (considering that they still have production facilities and the Colonials do not).

:::As a rule of thumb, any engagement that involves a Battlestar or a Basestar firing it's own guns at the enemy is a "Battle" (Battle of the Coral Sea was a full scale battle, yet no enemy ships directly engaged each other; just fighters). However, if a Battlestar launches Vipers, but doesn't actually get involved in a small scale fight against enemy fightercraft, it's probably not a battle (case in point, "Skirmish over the Red Moon".
:::<end quote>
:::As for myself, I wouldn't necessarily advocate deleting all the content, but just moving it out of a "Battle" format. If we're to take the fall of Saigon as an example, we see that on wikipedia [[Wikipedia:Fall of Saigon|Fall of Saigon]] doesn't have a battle box. It's just got a description of the events. The evacuation at Dunkirk gets roped into the [[Wikipedia:Battle of Dunkirk|Battle of Dunkirk]], which is still a battle (with casualties on both sides). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:04, 15 March 2006 (CST)

::::I am the original author of this page, and I cannot see the logic behind deletion. Looking through pages that are considered battles, very few of them actually sound like battles. Galactica vs. Pegasus was more of a standoff, the so-called "Battle of Kobol" was no more a battle than the Enola Gay dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, and the Fall of the Twelve Colonies, by your logic, should be divided up into a battle of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards, the obvious battle around Caprica, the slaughter of Galactica's Mark VII Viper squadron, the first battle that Galactica participated in (when they were nuked), the destruction of Armistice Station, and the numerous other battles that happened. In terms of what consitutes a battle, it seems that the Battle of the Tilium Moon, the Battle of the Resurrection Ship, and the Battle of the Binary Star System are the only true battles. I think the battle pages should reflect the major events and engagements of the Second Cylon War (which in my opinion should be made into its own page and not redirect to the Fall of the Twelve Colonies). The Fall of New Caprica was without question the most important event in the Second Cylon War after the Fall of the Twelve Colonies and I do not see why it should not be treated as such.--[[User:Helmandsare|Helmandsare]] 11:24, 15 March 2006 (CST)

:::::Sorry to jump in here but why is it being called a 'fall' at all? Isn't it more of an 'occupation'? And I agree that it's not a battle; the Cylons arrived and the remains of the orbiting fleet ran off. --[[User:Misco|Misco]] 11:29, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:::::I have to agree that this should be deleted or at least the battle template. I don't see any fighting yet. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 11:46, 15 March 2006 (CST)
::::::I agree. Delete the battle template and merge the content into the New Caprica article. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 11:49, 15 March 2006 (CST)

Template talk:Characters

2006-03-14T18:37:38Z

Joemc72: /* One Year Later: Now What? */

== Formatting and Defining Characters in Template ==

Thanks to [[User:Undc23|Undc23]], we have a character template that makes it easier to navigate to characters. There's probably some that choose to adjust the formatting; I've already put my 2 cents in and quickly reached my wiki coding limits. I recommend that contributors compare the format to the template used in Wikipedia for [[Wikipedia:Template:matrix|The Matrix saga entries]] listed there.

We also need to determine two additional points:

* What characters should appear in this list. I feel that characters who have been in at least 3 episodes qualify, but if they are dead for longer than 2 seasons, the entry could be removed unless their contribution to the overall storyline is significant. [[Crashdown]], for instance, may deserve retention here because his death is a critical juncture for [[Gaius Baltar]]. [[Hadrian]] and [[Wallace Gray]], at present, aren't really characters of depth. I haven't removed or added any characters due to my wiki code skill limits, so look over the template and consider my thoughts and share your own.

* The [[TOS|Original Series]] character lists would benefit greatly from a similar template, probably similarly named as [[template:toscharacters]]. Although the series ran for just a season (and 1/2, counting the dreaded ''[[Galactica 1980]]''), the "planet of the week" and "alien of the week" formatting generated dozens of characters. Maybe Undc23 will step to the plate for this, or someone else.

--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:11, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:I agree. The TOS could probably use something like this. I'm not sure whether it would be better to follow this example (main characters only) or the matrix one (to organize all the secondary/minor characters as well). I'd be afraid of having an excessive amount of minor characters cluttering it up, but perhaps one season wouldn't be that bad. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:09, 28 December 2005 (EST)

I don't like this at all. I think it looks ugly on the Matrix pages on Wiki, and is redundant with our Characters category. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:59, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:Is there any way to organize the Characters category? Maybe a category-subcategory relationship? The character category pages by themselves are difficult to read (in terms of determining which characters are major and going to have a big writeup, vs. minor characters). Having character subcategories might be able to render an easier to navigate category page without adding clutter to each of the characters that falls in the subcategory. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:22, 28 December 2005 (EST)

::Yes, I've been meaning to give some thought to revising the categories here for some time. [[Battlestar Wiki:Categories|Let's get to work]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:00, 28 December 2005 (EST)

::: I'm torn. Last night I was trying to figure out the name of the ''Pegasus's'' XO so I could see if there was a good picture of him, but I couldn't find him. I didn't go hunting through the Category, however. Something like this would help with that (or just cross-linking him in Cain or ''Pegasus's'' articles), but I agree with Peter that it doesn't look wonderful, and deciding who should be on it and all... updating it... Seems like a lot of hassle. I like the idea of subcatagories in the Characters one, maybe so one for ''Galactica'' personell (include Lee and Kara because, really, they're from ''Galactica''), ''Pegasus'' personell and the Civillians. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:04, 28 December 2005 (EST)

Spencerian, I agree some characters place on the list is dubious, but I figured others would edit that anyway so go for it. Farago and Day, I don't think it's redundant, as you can browse characters more quickly. If you've noticed, there is a virtually identical template at the bottom of episode pages despite there being an episode category, and this template seems to have been accepted. As for aesthetics, well thats personal opinion, I like it :)--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 19:49, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:It certainly does point to a deficiency in the category system. I am continuing to mull on it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:53, 28 December 2005 (EST)

=== Idea #1? ===

Been thinking about this for some time as well... Just that nothing's come to me that I've particularly liked. So I'm going to share with all of you the one idea that's been stabbing the grey matter in my mind.

Here's how the whole Category:Characters thing should work, using Category:Characters (RDM) as a baseline...

: [[:Category:Characters (RDM)]] (first level categories, followed by the following categories that would be second level...)
:: [[:Category:Minor Characters (RDM)]]
:: [[:Category:Recurring Characters (RDM)]] (i.e. Ellen Tigh)
:: [[:Category:Major Characters (RDM)]] (The two Adamas, Roslin, et al.)

Did we want to get specific with characters that were Cylons? If so, then we could add:

:: [[:Category:Humano-Cylon Characters (RDM)]]

Also, how specific did we want to go with the Character categories? Did we want to have a category for civilians, military, and government? Do we want to have categories for Galactica crew vs. Pegasus crew as well? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:35, 31 December 2005 (EST)

:We've been tossing ideas for this around on [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Categories]]. There are some problems to be dealt with, but I'm working on a sketch to run by people. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:36, 31 December 2005 (EST)

== A dissenting view ==

I love this template because it's a lot easier to cross-navigate than the category. It's also a good at-first-glance look at who all is there. Although here's an idea--why don't we subdivide it so that we can have a template for, say, the Galactica enlisted that may or may not be re-integrated into the master template? (It may also be useful to devise a smaller template for the characters played by the actors billed in the opening credits--Adama, Roslin, Lee, Kara, Baltar, Boomer, and Six--but that may lead to problems.) [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:08, 31 December 2005 (EST)

:I think the template is getting a little out of hand, but then again BSG is unusual in having so many significant characters who aren't part of the main regular cast. But we're verging on making a huge mess at the bottome of many character pages; meanwhile I don't want some people assuming these are the ONLY characters. I don't know what to do. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:07, 2 January 2006 (EST)

::I also worry that the template will over-power those characters who have very short write-ups and who, for whatever, reason, will probably never have a longer write-up. I mean--what more is there to say about good ol' [[Raymond Lai|Raygun]]? Yet the template is longer than his article. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:51, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:::I still want it removed. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:50, 2 January 2006 (EST)

== Standardization Required ==

We need to define the use of this template in Standards and Conventions if the majority wants it to stay. Right now, recent additions for one-shot characters unlikely to be seen again anytime soon unneccessarily fill the template and it is growing ridiculously large. I recommend that:

* The character template is used ONLY with characters that play a critical role (in life or death) in the MAJOR plot or MAJOR character's development of the series, AND
* Appears in ''no fewer'' than two episodes or a story arc

I propose the two points are mutually inclusive: BOTH must be met for a character to fit in the template. A character that reoccurs but isn't a major story-driving character (such as [[Laird]]) doesn't fit the bill, while a recurring character that sparks the course of a major character (such as [[Elosha]]) are worthy.

That said, [[Helena Cain]] and [[Crashdown]] are also good examples of ones to keep in the template. Cain darkly changes the dynamics of the Fleet (and adds a battlestar to it). Crashdown set in motion a darker change in [[Gaius Baltar]] when Baltar shoots him. [[Socinus]] was in both the "[[Litmus]]" and Kobol story arcs with a significant purpose. While [[Jack Fisk]] isn't a significant character in itself, he's part of the Resurrection Ship mutual assassination story arc. [[Thorne]] isn't a biggie, but his death led to that standoff between Adama and Cain. But [[Prosna]], [[Hadrian]], [[Mason]], [[Phelan]], [[Shevon]], [[Wallace Gray]] (among others) are not suitable for long-term retention in the template as they don't fit the two points. There are other ways to find these and other minor characters without cluttering up every article; besides, this is a wiki, so things are linked by design and easy to find with a search term. We have years of ''Battlestar'' in store, so we have to keep things trimmed in anticipation and to keep the purpose of the wiki true.

To make this simple, let's keep debate short and sweet--one comment with one dissent. Please avoid conversation threads, and get your point right the first time. If we don't get consensus on the format, we can put it to a vote in a few days. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:42, 3 February 2006 (EST)

===Discussion===
Hadrian was a recurring character in season 1, and should stay. Thorne, however, only appeared in "Pegasus", and doesn't appear to meet your requirements. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:11, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:On the other hand, I'll remember Thorne longer than I'll remember Hadrian. If the template gets too big, we can trim it over time. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 17:29, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::It's already too big. --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 18:41, 3 February 2006 (EST)
: I agree; I think Hadrian should stay and Thorne should be dropped. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 18:55, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:: Thorne was not a major character, anyway. He was more of a plot device. (Not a [[Cami]], but maybe more of a [[Wallace Gray]]... well, somewhat.) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:::He saved my life, as well as the lives of fifty other men, you miserable frak! Thorne was more than a plot device! Erm, I mean....I respectfully disagree :) [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)

== Trim ==

I just trimmed it down a little. Thoughts? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 18:48, 3 February 2006 (EST)
: I would remove Laird and Thorne. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:17, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::It does look better, too. Thanks, Phil. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:45, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::Maybe later, but as of now, Laird and Thorne aren't making the template any bigger, they're just making it less empty. Removing them would make no difference with respect to size, their notability notwithstanding. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:05, 3 February 2006 (EST)

== Liposuction... stat! ==

I was mulling over what to do about this template size and came across the page on [[Wikipedia:Cosmo Kramer|Cosmo Kramer]]. Interestingly enough, if one looks at the bottom they see the character box containing the major characters of ''Seinfeld''. We could do the same thing to the major characters of ''Galactica'', although we may have to tailor it to suit our needs. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 00:06, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:How do we decide who to include beyond the seven main characters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:31, 11 February 2006 (EST)

::Number of episodes they're in, compared with relative importance to storyline. I would include Tyrol and Cally, for example. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:13, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:::How about the seven top-billed characters, "special guests", and every minor character who has appeared in as many or more episodes as the least of those seven, in a given season? That list would look something like this:
::::Main cast (seasons 1 & 2)
:::*William Adama
:::*Laura Roslin
:::*Lee Adama
:::*Kara Thrace (did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Sharon Valerii (did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Gaius Baltar
:::*Number Six (did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix")

::::Season 1 guest characters (must have appeared in all 13 episodes):
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Billy Keikeya (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Cally (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Galen Tyrol (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Karl Agathon (appeared in all episodes of season 1)

::::Season 1 special guests:
:::*Tom Zarek (Bastille Day, Colonial Day)

::::Season 2 guest characters (must have appeared in 12 episodes of 15 thus far, matching Valerii's record)
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 2 through "Scar")
:::*Galen Tyrol (did not appear in "Home, Part I" or "Black Market")
:::*Karl Agathon (did not appear in "Fragged" or "Black Market")
:::*Felix Geata (did not appear in "Epiphanies", "Black Market", or "Scar")

::::Season 2 special guests:
:::*D'Anna Biers (Final Cut)
:::*Admiral Helena Cain ("Pegasus", "Resurrection Ship, Part I", "Resurrection Ship, Part II")
:::*Tom Zarek (Black Market)
:::*Phelan (Black Market)

:::This seems to capture the cast makeup and "important characters" fairly well, without resorting to subjective interpretation. Thoughts? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:18, 11 February 2006 (EST)

Thorne appeared in a single episode and does not deserve a place in this box as a result. Meanwhile, Racetrack needs to be added back to it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:10, 11 February 2006 (EST)
:Why Racetrack? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 05:11, 11 February 2006 (EST)

::A)I have a certain fondness for Racetrack, because like Helo, she was only supposed to be in one episode, but was so good they brought her back as a recurring character B) she has appeared in many episodes in season 2 subsequently.

To my personal breakdown, on a by the numbers basis(note: some characters appear in many episodes, like Gaeta, but might not even talk, so numbers aren't ''necessarily'' reflective of importance):
Of the "Main Cast":
*William Adama
*Laura Roslin
*Lee Adama
*Kara Thrace--did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market"
*Sharon Valerii--did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market"
*Gaius Baltar--did not appear in "Scar", "Sacrifice"
*Number Six--did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix"

This would move us along to the "recurring characters":
*Saul Tigh--appeared in all episodes
*Billy Keikeya--in most through "Home Part II", but lately just fell into the backround
*Cally--has appeared in 18 episodes (through "Sacrifice")
*Galen Tyrol--did not appear in "Home, Part I", "Black Market", "Sacrifice"
*Karl Agathon--did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market", "Sacrifice"

Getting tired. Have to cut this short. Point is, Racetrack has been in quite a few and become a relatively important recurring character, as opposed to like Thorne...who was in one episode. --!!:::*William Adama
:::*Laura Roslin
:::*Lee Adama
:::*Kara Thrace (did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Sharon Valerii (did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Gaius Baltar
:::*Number Six (did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix")

::::Season 1 guest characters (must have appeared in all 13 episodes):
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Billy Keikeya (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Cally (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Galen Tyrol (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Karl Agathon (appeared in all episodes of season 1)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:00, 11 February 2006 (EST)

Merv, wouldn't you do me the courtesy of replying to my post before you appropriate its content for your own? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:49, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:Actually, this list was made from my own searchings through the character pages. But I digress. Big point is that if we are trimming, we really should remove "alistair Thorne"; he was in exactly ONE episode, and really doesn't seem fitting here.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:07, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::You blatantly copy and pasted portions of my post into yours. I find it mildly insulting, and I'd rather you didn't do it again as a matter of personal courtesy. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:11, 14 February 2006 (EST)

== i wouldn't bother with the Number Eight, Number Three stuff ==

I noticed that Sharon and Doral seem to have "disappeared" in light of their new number designations. May I be so bold as to say that most people know them by their "human" names? Therefore I've decided to change the Cylon portion of the template back to their "human" names, instead of their numeric designations. Anyone else have anything to say on this matter? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:07, 25 February 2006 (EST)
:Template:Characters delenda est. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:00, 25 February 2006 (EST)

I went ahead and did a compromise so it says Number Eight (Sharon Valerii). If this takes up too much room then we should do a piped link so the template acts properly in terms of going unlinked on the page it's on. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:23, 25 February 2006 (EST)

== Deceased ==

I did a roll-back, but didn't realize it would auto-comment for me. The reson I did it is because that's not a note for Simon. That's a key to all the other little crosses we've got going. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:08, 2 March 2006 (CST)

==One Year Later: Now What?==
Well, we have an obvious problem now - practically none of the characters are still in the positions noted here as of the end of Season 2. We could reshuffle it to reflect their lives on New Caprica, as so:

<br clear=all>
<center>
{| id="toc" style="margin: 0 2em 0 2em;"
|-
| align="center" |'''[[:Category:Characters|Characters]] in ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'''''
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (''Galactica''):''' [[William Adama]] | [[Karl Agathon]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (''Pegasus''):''' [[Lee Adama]] | [[Anastasia Dualla]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Retired):''' [[Kara Thrace]] | [[Saul Tigh]] | [[Galen Tyrol]] | [[Cally]] | [[Cottle]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Whereabouts Unknown):''' [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]] | [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]] | [[Margaret Edmonson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Deceased):''' [[Socinus]] | [[Crashdown|"Crashdown"]] | [[Helena Cain]] | [[Jack Fisk]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government:''' [[Gaius Baltar]] | [[Felix Gaeta]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Retired):''' [[Laura Roslin]] | [[Tory Foster]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Whereabouts Unknown):''' [[Tom Zarek]] | [[Sarah Porter]] | [[Marshall Bagot]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Deceased):''' [[Elosha]] | [[Billy Keikeya]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Press:''' [[James McManus]] | [[Playa Palacios]] | [[Sekou Hamilton]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Civilians:''' [[Ellen Tigh]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Cylons:''' [[Caprica-Six]] | [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii (''Galactica'' Copy)]] | [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)]] | [[D'anna Biers]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Cylons (Deceased):''' [[Gina]] | [[Cavil|Cavil (Fleet copy)]] | [[Cavil|Cavil (Caprica copy)]]
|-
|}
</center>

but in addition to being about five times uglier than what we have now (which I would not have imagined possible), it would hardly be useful for anyone reading about the previous 32 & 2/3 episodes.

Although I'm loathe to say this without having anything better in mind (and I do recognize the navigation convenience that this template offers), I'm going to have to reiterate my point that this template is simply more trouble than it's worth, and should be deleted outright. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:07, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:: It could be uglier, Peter. We could use flashing text and maybe a marquee or however it's spelled. However, I agree. Kill it. Kill it! KIIIIIILLLLL IIIIIIIT!! --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:25, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:: http://www.math.lsu.edu/~jude/tmp/killit.html (Note, there are 4 copies of the text in that page. Try it in multiple browsers for the full 1996 website effect.) Actually, that's not a vote. I'm conflicted on it, but the lack of a valid organizational scheme is a mark against its continuation. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:07, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:::I think it really needs to be a much simpler list. Main Characters, supporting characters, guest stars. That way all the moving of positions and locations won't have any effect on it. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:35, 14 March 2006 (CST)

For all but 30 minutes of the BSG corpus, the template is fine. My suggestion is a rather *sane* one if you ask me--keep it the same, wait until October, remove whatever characters have mysteriously disappeared since then (Jammer, Hotdog, and Kat are my predictions), and then adjust it as we go. My prediction is that Roslin, Starbuck, Tyrol, and Tigh (among others) will end up in a "New Caprica Resistance" category, and so forth. Quite honestly, I think that the above is a bad-faith attempt at making this template look worse than it needs to. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 11:47, 14 March 2006 (CST)

I've just added more notations indicating status as of LDYB, but I wouldn't object if anyone removed them for being ugly. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 12:10, 14 March 2006 (CST)

Template talk:Characters

2006-03-14T18:35:11Z

Joemc72: Suggestion for char template

== Formatting and Defining Characters in Template ==

Thanks to [[User:Undc23|Undc23]], we have a character template that makes it easier to navigate to characters. There's probably some that choose to adjust the formatting; I've already put my 2 cents in and quickly reached my wiki coding limits. I recommend that contributors compare the format to the template used in Wikipedia for [[Wikipedia:Template:matrix|The Matrix saga entries]] listed there.

We also need to determine two additional points:

* What characters should appear in this list. I feel that characters who have been in at least 3 episodes qualify, but if they are dead for longer than 2 seasons, the entry could be removed unless their contribution to the overall storyline is significant. [[Crashdown]], for instance, may deserve retention here because his death is a critical juncture for [[Gaius Baltar]]. [[Hadrian]] and [[Wallace Gray]], at present, aren't really characters of depth. I haven't removed or added any characters due to my wiki code skill limits, so look over the template and consider my thoughts and share your own.

* The [[TOS|Original Series]] character lists would benefit greatly from a similar template, probably similarly named as [[template:toscharacters]]. Although the series ran for just a season (and 1/2, counting the dreaded ''[[Galactica 1980]]''), the "planet of the week" and "alien of the week" formatting generated dozens of characters. Maybe Undc23 will step to the plate for this, or someone else.

--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:11, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:I agree. The TOS could probably use something like this. I'm not sure whether it would be better to follow this example (main characters only) or the matrix one (to organize all the secondary/minor characters as well). I'd be afraid of having an excessive amount of minor characters cluttering it up, but perhaps one season wouldn't be that bad. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:09, 28 December 2005 (EST)

I don't like this at all. I think it looks ugly on the Matrix pages on Wiki, and is redundant with our Characters category. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:59, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:Is there any way to organize the Characters category? Maybe a category-subcategory relationship? The character category pages by themselves are difficult to read (in terms of determining which characters are major and going to have a big writeup, vs. minor characters). Having character subcategories might be able to render an easier to navigate category page without adding clutter to each of the characters that falls in the subcategory. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:22, 28 December 2005 (EST)

::Yes, I've been meaning to give some thought to revising the categories here for some time. [[Battlestar Wiki:Categories|Let's get to work]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:00, 28 December 2005 (EST)

::: I'm torn. Last night I was trying to figure out the name of the ''Pegasus's'' XO so I could see if there was a good picture of him, but I couldn't find him. I didn't go hunting through the Category, however. Something like this would help with that (or just cross-linking him in Cain or ''Pegasus's'' articles), but I agree with Peter that it doesn't look wonderful, and deciding who should be on it and all... updating it... Seems like a lot of hassle. I like the idea of subcatagories in the Characters one, maybe so one for ''Galactica'' personell (include Lee and Kara because, really, they're from ''Galactica''), ''Pegasus'' personell and the Civillians. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:04, 28 December 2005 (EST)

Spencerian, I agree some characters place on the list is dubious, but I figured others would edit that anyway so go for it. Farago and Day, I don't think it's redundant, as you can browse characters more quickly. If you've noticed, there is a virtually identical template at the bottom of episode pages despite there being an episode category, and this template seems to have been accepted. As for aesthetics, well thats personal opinion, I like it :)--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 19:49, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:It certainly does point to a deficiency in the category system. I am continuing to mull on it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:53, 28 December 2005 (EST)

=== Idea #1? ===

Been thinking about this for some time as well... Just that nothing's come to me that I've particularly liked. So I'm going to share with all of you the one idea that's been stabbing the grey matter in my mind.

Here's how the whole Category:Characters thing should work, using Category:Characters (RDM) as a baseline...

: [[:Category:Characters (RDM)]] (first level categories, followed by the following categories that would be second level...)
:: [[:Category:Minor Characters (RDM)]]
:: [[:Category:Recurring Characters (RDM)]] (i.e. Ellen Tigh)
:: [[:Category:Major Characters (RDM)]] (The two Adamas, Roslin, et al.)

Did we want to get specific with characters that were Cylons? If so, then we could add:

:: [[:Category:Humano-Cylon Characters (RDM)]]

Also, how specific did we want to go with the Character categories? Did we want to have a category for civilians, military, and government? Do we want to have categories for Galactica crew vs. Pegasus crew as well? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:35, 31 December 2005 (EST)

:We've been tossing ideas for this around on [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Categories]]. There are some problems to be dealt with, but I'm working on a sketch to run by people. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:36, 31 December 2005 (EST)

== A dissenting view ==

I love this template because it's a lot easier to cross-navigate than the category. It's also a good at-first-glance look at who all is there. Although here's an idea--why don't we subdivide it so that we can have a template for, say, the Galactica enlisted that may or may not be re-integrated into the master template? (It may also be useful to devise a smaller template for the characters played by the actors billed in the opening credits--Adama, Roslin, Lee, Kara, Baltar, Boomer, and Six--but that may lead to problems.) [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:08, 31 December 2005 (EST)

:I think the template is getting a little out of hand, but then again BSG is unusual in having so many significant characters who aren't part of the main regular cast. But we're verging on making a huge mess at the bottome of many character pages; meanwhile I don't want some people assuming these are the ONLY characters. I don't know what to do. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:07, 2 January 2006 (EST)

::I also worry that the template will over-power those characters who have very short write-ups and who, for whatever, reason, will probably never have a longer write-up. I mean--what more is there to say about good ol' [[Raymond Lai|Raygun]]? Yet the template is longer than his article. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:51, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:::I still want it removed. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:50, 2 January 2006 (EST)

== Standardization Required ==

We need to define the use of this template in Standards and Conventions if the majority wants it to stay. Right now, recent additions for one-shot characters unlikely to be seen again anytime soon unneccessarily fill the template and it is growing ridiculously large. I recommend that:

* The character template is used ONLY with characters that play a critical role (in life or death) in the MAJOR plot or MAJOR character's development of the series, AND
* Appears in ''no fewer'' than two episodes or a story arc

I propose the two points are mutually inclusive: BOTH must be met for a character to fit in the template. A character that reoccurs but isn't a major story-driving character (such as [[Laird]]) doesn't fit the bill, while a recurring character that sparks the course of a major character (such as [[Elosha]]) are worthy.

That said, [[Helena Cain]] and [[Crashdown]] are also good examples of ones to keep in the template. Cain darkly changes the dynamics of the Fleet (and adds a battlestar to it). Crashdown set in motion a darker change in [[Gaius Baltar]] when Baltar shoots him. [[Socinus]] was in both the "[[Litmus]]" and Kobol story arcs with a significant purpose. While [[Jack Fisk]] isn't a significant character in itself, he's part of the Resurrection Ship mutual assassination story arc. [[Thorne]] isn't a biggie, but his death led to that standoff between Adama and Cain. But [[Prosna]], [[Hadrian]], [[Mason]], [[Phelan]], [[Shevon]], [[Wallace Gray]] (among others) are not suitable for long-term retention in the template as they don't fit the two points. There are other ways to find these and other minor characters without cluttering up every article; besides, this is a wiki, so things are linked by design and easy to find with a search term. We have years of ''Battlestar'' in store, so we have to keep things trimmed in anticipation and to keep the purpose of the wiki true.

To make this simple, let's keep debate short and sweet--one comment with one dissent. Please avoid conversation threads, and get your point right the first time. If we don't get consensus on the format, we can put it to a vote in a few days. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:42, 3 February 2006 (EST)

===Discussion===
Hadrian was a recurring character in season 1, and should stay. Thorne, however, only appeared in "Pegasus", and doesn't appear to meet your requirements. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:11, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:On the other hand, I'll remember Thorne longer than I'll remember Hadrian. If the template gets too big, we can trim it over time. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 17:29, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::It's already too big. --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 18:41, 3 February 2006 (EST)
: I agree; I think Hadrian should stay and Thorne should be dropped. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 18:55, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:: Thorne was not a major character, anyway. He was more of a plot device. (Not a [[Cami]], but maybe more of a [[Wallace Gray]]... well, somewhat.) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:::He saved my life, as well as the lives of fifty other men, you miserable frak! Thorne was more than a plot device! Erm, I mean....I respectfully disagree :) [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)

== Trim ==

I just trimmed it down a little. Thoughts? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 18:48, 3 February 2006 (EST)
: I would remove Laird and Thorne. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:17, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::It does look better, too. Thanks, Phil. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:45, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::Maybe later, but as of now, Laird and Thorne aren't making the template any bigger, they're just making it less empty. Removing them would make no difference with respect to size, their notability notwithstanding. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:05, 3 February 2006 (EST)

== Liposuction... stat! ==

I was mulling over what to do about this template size and came across the page on [[Wikipedia:Cosmo Kramer|Cosmo Kramer]]. Interestingly enough, if one looks at the bottom they see the character box containing the major characters of ''Seinfeld''. We could do the same thing to the major characters of ''Galactica'', although we may have to tailor it to suit our needs. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 00:06, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:How do we decide who to include beyond the seven main characters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:31, 11 February 2006 (EST)

::Number of episodes they're in, compared with relative importance to storyline. I would include Tyrol and Cally, for example. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:13, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:::How about the seven top-billed characters, "special guests", and every minor character who has appeared in as many or more episodes as the least of those seven, in a given season? That list would look something like this:
::::Main cast (seasons 1 & 2)
:::*William Adama
:::*Laura Roslin
:::*Lee Adama
:::*Kara Thrace (did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Sharon Valerii (did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Gaius Baltar
:::*Number Six (did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix")

::::Season 1 guest characters (must have appeared in all 13 episodes):
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Billy Keikeya (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Cally (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Galen Tyrol (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Karl Agathon (appeared in all episodes of season 1)

::::Season 1 special guests:
:::*Tom Zarek (Bastille Day, Colonial Day)

::::Season 2 guest characters (must have appeared in 12 episodes of 15 thus far, matching Valerii's record)
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 2 through "Scar")
:::*Galen Tyrol (did not appear in "Home, Part I" or "Black Market")
:::*Karl Agathon (did not appear in "Fragged" or "Black Market")
:::*Felix Geata (did not appear in "Epiphanies", "Black Market", or "Scar")

::::Season 2 special guests:
:::*D'Anna Biers (Final Cut)
:::*Admiral Helena Cain ("Pegasus", "Resurrection Ship, Part I", "Resurrection Ship, Part II")
:::*Tom Zarek (Black Market)
:::*Phelan (Black Market)

:::This seems to capture the cast makeup and "important characters" fairly well, without resorting to subjective interpretation. Thoughts? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:18, 11 February 2006 (EST)

Thorne appeared in a single episode and does not deserve a place in this box as a result. Meanwhile, Racetrack needs to be added back to it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:10, 11 February 2006 (EST)
:Why Racetrack? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 05:11, 11 February 2006 (EST)

::A)I have a certain fondness for Racetrack, because like Helo, she was only supposed to be in one episode, but was so good they brought her back as a recurring character B) she has appeared in many episodes in season 2 subsequently.

To my personal breakdown, on a by the numbers basis(note: some characters appear in many episodes, like Gaeta, but might not even talk, so numbers aren't ''necessarily'' reflective of importance):
Of the "Main Cast":
*William Adama
*Laura Roslin
*Lee Adama
*Kara Thrace--did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market"
*Sharon Valerii--did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market"
*Gaius Baltar--did not appear in "Scar", "Sacrifice"
*Number Six--did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix"

This would move us along to the "recurring characters":
*Saul Tigh--appeared in all episodes
*Billy Keikeya--in most through "Home Part II", but lately just fell into the backround
*Cally--has appeared in 18 episodes (through "Sacrifice")
*Galen Tyrol--did not appear in "Home, Part I", "Black Market", "Sacrifice"
*Karl Agathon--did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market", "Sacrifice"

Getting tired. Have to cut this short. Point is, Racetrack has been in quite a few and become a relatively important recurring character, as opposed to like Thorne...who was in one episode. --!!:::*William Adama
:::*Laura Roslin
:::*Lee Adama
:::*Kara Thrace (did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Sharon Valerii (did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Gaius Baltar
:::*Number Six (did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix")

::::Season 1 guest characters (must have appeared in all 13 episodes):
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Billy Keikeya (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Cally (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Galen Tyrol (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Karl Agathon (appeared in all episodes of season 1)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:00, 11 February 2006 (EST)

Merv, wouldn't you do me the courtesy of replying to my post before you appropriate its content for your own? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:49, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:Actually, this list was made from my own searchings through the character pages. But I digress. Big point is that if we are trimming, we really should remove "alistair Thorne"; he was in exactly ONE episode, and really doesn't seem fitting here.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:07, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::You blatantly copy and pasted portions of my post into yours. I find it mildly insulting, and I'd rather you didn't do it again as a matter of personal courtesy. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:11, 14 February 2006 (EST)

== i wouldn't bother with the Number Eight, Number Three stuff ==

I noticed that Sharon and Doral seem to have "disappeared" in light of their new number designations. May I be so bold as to say that most people know them by their "human" names? Therefore I've decided to change the Cylon portion of the template back to their "human" names, instead of their numeric designations. Anyone else have anything to say on this matter? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:07, 25 February 2006 (EST)
:Template:Characters delenda est. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:00, 25 February 2006 (EST)

I went ahead and did a compromise so it says Number Eight (Sharon Valerii). If this takes up too much room then we should do a piped link so the template acts properly in terms of going unlinked on the page it's on. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:23, 25 February 2006 (EST)

== Deceased ==

I did a roll-back, but didn't realize it would auto-comment for me. The reson I did it is because that's not a note for Simon. That's a key to all the other little crosses we've got going. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:08, 2 March 2006 (CST)

==One Year Later: Now What?==
Well, we have an obvious problem now - practically none of the characters are still in the positions noted here as of the end of Season 2. We could reshuffle it to reflect their lives on New Caprica, as so:

<br clear=all>
<center>
{| id="toc" style="margin: 0 2em 0 2em;"
|-
| align="center" |'''[[:Category:Characters|Characters]] in ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'''''
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (''Galactica''):''' [[William Adama]] | [[Karl Agathon]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (''Pegasus''):''' [[Lee Adama]] | [[Anastasia Dualla]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Retired):''' [[Kara Thrace]] | [[Saul Tigh]] | [[Galen Tyrol]] | [[Cally]] | [[Cottle]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Whereabouts Unknown):''' [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]] | [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]] | [[Margaret Edmonson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Deceased):''' [[Socinus]] | [[Crashdown|"Crashdown"]] | [[Helena Cain]] | [[Jack Fisk]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government:''' [[Gaius Baltar]] | [[Felix Gaeta]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Retired):''' [[Laura Roslin]] | [[Tory Foster]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Whereabouts Unknown):''' [[Tom Zarek]] | [[Sarah Porter]] | [[Marshall Bagot]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Deceased):''' [[Elosha]] | [[Billy Keikeya]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Press:''' [[James McManus]] | [[Playa Palacios]] | [[Sekou Hamilton]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Civilians:''' [[Ellen Tigh]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Cylons:''' [[Caprica-Six]] | [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii (''Galactica'' Copy)]] | [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)]] | [[D'anna Biers]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Cylons (Deceased):''' [[Gina]] | [[Cavil|Cavil (Fleet copy)]] | [[Cavil|Cavil (Caprica copy)]]
|-
|}
</center>

but in addition to being about five times uglier than what we have now (which I would not have imagined possible), it would hardly be useful for anyone reading about the previous 32 & 2/3 episodes.

Although I'm loathe to say this without having anything better in mind (and I do recognize the navigation convenience that this template offers), I'm going to have to reiterate my point that this template is simply more trouble than it's worth, and should be deleted outright. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:07, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:: It could be uglier, Peter. We could use flashing text and maybe a marquee or however it's spelled. However, I agree. Kill it. Kill it! KIIIIIILLLLL IIIIIIIT!! --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:25, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:: http://www.math.lsu.edu/~jude/tmp/killit.html (Note, there are 4 copies of the text in that page. Try it in multiple browsers for the full 1996 website effect.) Actually, that's not a vote. I'm conflicted on it, but the lack of a valid organizational scheme is a mark against its continuation. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:07, 14 March 2006 (CST)
::I think it really needs to be a much simpler list. Main Characters, supporting characters, guest stars. That way all the moving of positions and locations won't have any effect on it. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:35, 14 March 2006 (CST)

For all but 30 minutes of the BSG corpus, the template is fine. My suggestion is a rather *sane* one if you ask me--keep it the same, wait until October, remove whatever characters have mysteriously disappeared since then (Jammer, Hotdog, and Kat are my predictions), and then adjust it as we go. My prediction is that Roslin, Starbuck, Tyrol, and Tigh (among others) will end up in a "New Caprica Resistance" category, and so forth. Quite honestly, I think that the above is a bad-faith attempt at making this template look worse than it needs to. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 11:47, 14 March 2006 (CST)

I've just added more notations indicating status as of LDYB, but I wouldn't object if anyone removed them for being ugly. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 12:10, 14 March 2006 (CST)

Uniforms (RDM)

2006-03-14T17:29:51Z

Joemc72: where -> wear

Several types of '''uniforms''' are used within the [[Colonial Fleet]] and [[Colonial Marine Corps]].

==Colonial Fleet==

===Fleet Officers===
[[Image:Blue mini.JPG|thumb|left|Blue duty uniform ([[Mini-Series]]).]]
A single-breasted dark blue duty uniform is used by officers (dark lighting sometimes makes them appear almost black, but they have been referred to as "blues" in dialog, seen in better lighting, etc). The left side of the uniform jacket folds over the right and is secured by column of buttons. Military occupation specialty badges are affixed over the pocket. Thus far, we have seen two distinct MOS badges for officers: fleet officers wear a badge shaped like a diamond flanked by a pair of outstretched wings (probably roughly analogous to the US Navy's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Warfare_Badge surface warfare badge], while flight officers wear a similar diamond flanked by stubbier, wing-like wedges near its lower point (analogous to a fighter pilot's wings). Rank insignia are worn on the jacket collar. The pant legs feature bell bottoms, and it has a rolled-up collar. It has patches on the shoulders which are a darker shade of blue than the rest of the uniform, as well as a single pocket over the left breast of the user's uniform.

Fleet officer uniforms have a colored trim around the edges, which denote the rank of the wearer:

Junior Officers:

*Ensign - a single white line - [[:Image:JuniorOff_uni.jpg|Example]]
*Lieutenant (Junior Grade) - a single white line
*Lieutenant - a single white line
*Captain - a single white line

Command Officers:

*Major - unknown (no majors have ever been shown in uniform). [[Lee Adama]] was briefly promoted to the rank of Major during "[[The Captain's Hand]]", and his uniform still had a single white line trim. However, when his father William Adama was promoted to Admiral, he retained his Commander's uniform (without alteration, except for new rank insignia pins), possibly because supplies are low and it is difficult to make new uniforms/alter his old one, or because he is known to not enjoy pomp, or both. Perhaps, like his father, Apollo ''should'' have changed his uniform to a differently-styled Major's uniform, but did not.
*Colonel - red line on outer edge, white line on inner edge - [[:Image:Colonel_uni.jpg|Example]]
*Commander - red line on outer edge, gold line on inner edge - [[:Image:Commander_uni.jpg|Example]]
*Admiral - gold line on outer edge, white line on inner edge - [[:Image:Admiral_uni.jpg|Example]]

The officers' dress uniform, known as Dress Greys, is modeled after the duty uniform, except for a few key differences. It is gray, lacks a pocket or shoulder patches, features a sash to which MOS pins and other medals are affixed, and is secured by a single clasp rather than a column of buttons. Epaulettes are worn at the left shoulder. Senior officers' uniforms also feature a dark gray bar around the neck. While the duty uniform is a tunic that tucks in at the belt, the dress uniform is actually an overcoat which extends below the hips and features an external belt made of the same material as the sash.

[[Image:Greys Mini.JPG|thumb|Dress Grey uniforms ([[Mini-Series]]).]]

Officers can also use the green fatigue uniform for non-formal occasions.

===Fleet Pilot Flight Suits===

[[Flight suit]]s with left sleeve pockets are used by flight-qualified crew (pilots, [[ECO]]s and the like). The flight suit is a life-support garment and can sustain the life of the pilot in hostile enviroments up to and including total vacuum and freezing temperature. Flight suits also have a metal collar that is attached to maintain an airtight seal between the flight suit and a helmet. Often, when not on a mission pilots wear the suit with the top half rolled down and hanging at their waist, revealing the t-shirt and tanktop they wear underneath. It also has been used to make an air-tight seal in a vessel by filling in a hole in the hull ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"). Pilots and [[ECO|ECOs]] wear several patches on their flight suits: A patch designating the ship they are assigned to, on the right a patch for what craft they operate, usually a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] or a [[Raptor]], and a squadron patch, worn on the left breast under the outer layer of the suit. Additionally, the flightsuit has a chronometer mounted in a cuff.

===Fleet Enlisted Crewmen===
[[Image:Jumpsuit mini.JPG|thumb|left|Orange utility jumpsuit ([[Mini-Series]]).]]
Enlisted personnel use a double-breasted green uniform, except on the flight deck where uniforms color-coded according to military occupation specialty are used, as on real-life aircraft carriers (only orange and yellow deck crew overalls have been observed so far).

==Colonial Marine Corps==
[[Image:Khaki litmus.JPG|thumb|Khaki fatigue uniform and black battle dress uniforms ([[Litmus]]).]]
The uniforms used by the Colonial [[Marines]] are based on the BDU (see below), only in solid black rather than the digital pattern. Load-bearing vests, helmets, communications gear, knee and elbow pads, gloves and goggles are standard.

Marine NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers) wear a khaki uniform with a simple row of buttons down the middle, and a downturned collar (on which rank insignia are worn). It has two pockets on the front, one over each breast of the uniform, which are secured by clasps. Like the Fleet officer uniform, it has differently collared patches on the shoulders, but on this they are gray shoulder patches on a khaki uniform.

Also, on the upper right arm a black armband is worn with the word "Security" printed in black letters on a small square of white. Sgt. [[Hadrian]] wears one of these uniforms, and during many episodes extras walking in the backround in hallways are seen wearing the Marine non-com uniform.

Apparently, there are no surviving Marine ''command'' officers left aboard ''Galactica'' (and presumably ''Pegasus''), as the only officer seen so far has been [[Terry_Burrell|Lieutenant Terry Burrell]] ([[Sacrifice]]). Unfortuneately, he was in plainclothes, so any further uniform details are lacking.

==Additional notes==

Both the officer and enlisted duty uniforms feature large patches on their left shoulders, which display the emblem of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol, and denote what vessel they are serving on. ''Galactica's'' crew patch is colored gold, with "Battlestar Galactica [[BSG 75]]" written around the seal. ''Pegasus' '' crew patch is colored white, with "Battlestar Pegasus [[BSG 62]]" written around the seal. For both officers and enlisted crew, rank insignia is affixed to both sides of the collar.

[[Image:SP Scattered.JPG|thumb|left|Colonial Shore Patrol ([[Scattered]])]]
The battle dress utility uniform is an urban digital camouflage pattern of various shades of dark and light grays. It features angled breast and shoulder pockets and lacks abdominal pockets, and the buttons are covered, much like real-life United State Marine Corps MARPAT uniforms. The elbows of the battle dress utility feature large patches. The boots are typically not bloused, with the pant legs left hanging over the boots. The uniform features a mandarin collar which can be worn up for comfort in body armor or in a down position for appearance in other situations. This uniform has been in use in the Colonial Fleet for several decades ([[Scattered]]).

[[Image:Urban FotP.JPG|thumb|Urban battle dress utility uniform ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).]]

Black leather boots and hexagonal [[Identification Tags|identification tags]] are used with all uniforms. All uniforms except for Colonial and Marine BDUs feature left-shoulder patches indicating their assigned Battlestar Group.
[[Image:Tee mini.JPG|thumb|left|Tee shirt and tank top worn with green fatigue pants ([[Mini-Series]])]]
A gray sleeveless tee shirt covered by a brown tank top is worn beneath all unifroms, including at least the flight suit, the duty uniforms, BDUs, the deck crew work uniforms, and Dr. Cottle's coat ([[Mini-Series]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[You Can't Go Home Again]] deleted scene).

According to an interview with regular series costume designer Glenne Campbell {{ref|magazine1}}, "The uniforms are made out of a very specific material, and we own all of that material that there is in existence -- they're not making this stuff anymore". Thus, for BSG fans that want to make their own costumes, it appears that it is technically impossible to make a complete recreation of the military uniforms on the series. As there are only a limited number of uniforms in existance, when someone gets shot the production team usually tries to have it shot in such a way that the costume is undamaged, i.e. when Cally shoots Boomer, there's actually a patch of cloth over the uniform that has the blood-packs underneath, which is painted to blend in with the rest of the uniform.

==References==
[http://galactica.emedian.net/index.html Dark-thoughts.net featuring numerous high-resolution pictures from the series]

#{{note|magazine1}} "Costume Drama." Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine. Oct./Nov. 2005: 64.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial Military]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Talk:Season 3 (2006-07)/Archive 1

2006-03-13T18:14:54Z

Joemc72: Rank change/deletion explanation

"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 (2006-07)

2006-03-13T18:11:12Z

Joemc72: Fixing ranks and ceramonials (Continued)

{{spoiler}}

==Summary==

: None yet available.

== Pivotal Plot Points ==

*According to an interview by Katee Sackhoff on Subject2Discussion.com on January 3rd, 2006, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s "[[The Farm|missing ovaries]]" will be mentioned before Season 2 ends and be a pivotal theme to Season 3.
*At the official [http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention], Lucy Lawless stated that: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in ten of the Season 3 episodes.
*According to Ron D. Moore's podcast of the Captain's Hand, Apollo will continue to be the Commander of the Pegasus well into Season 3.
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
*In one brief shot at the end of the season 2 finale, [[Leoben Conoy]] arrives in Starbuck's tent and finds [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and specifically asks where Kara Thrace is. Moore said that this is a major plot point, and will feature in the first three episodes of season three. It might have something to do with her missing ovaries.
*In an [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview] with NowPlayingMagazine on March 11, 2006, Ron Moore said "Essentially, season three is going to deal with the Cylon occupation of the Colonials on New Caprica. The sort of archetype that we’re talking about is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]: There’s a Colonial government run by President Baltar that is collaborating with the Cylons, while the humans put together an insurgent resistance against the occupation."
*Moore goes on to say that: ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' will be trying to figure out a way to save everyone trapped on New Caprica.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama|Admiral William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Captain Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Commander Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|President (Doctor) Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Lieutenant Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla|Lieutenant Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek|Representative Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Leah+Cairns Leah Cairns] as [[Margaret Edmonson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicki+Clyne Nicki Clyne] as [[Cally]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dominic+Zamprogna Dominic Zamprogna] as [[Jammer]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Luciana+Carro Luciana Carro] as [[Louanne Katraine|Lt. Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Harvey+Frand Harvey Frand] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors===

===Writing Staff===

==Episodes==

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== Official Statements ==

*An [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 official notice] of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in April.

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 3 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
{{Episode List}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]

Season 3 (2006-07)

2006-03-13T18:08:54Z

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{{spoiler}}

==Summary==

: None yet available.

== Pivotal Plot Points ==

*According to an interview by Katee Sackhoff on Subject2Discussion.com on January 3rd, 2006, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s "[[The Farm|missing ovaries]]" will be mentioned before Season 2 ends and be a pivotal theme to Season 3.
*At the official [http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention], Lucy Lawless stated that: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in ten of the Season 3 episodes.
*According to Ron D. Moore's podcast of the Captain's Hand, Apollo will continue to be the Commander of the Pegasus well into Season 3.
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
*In one brief shot at the end of the season 2 finale, [[Leoben Conoy]] arrives in Starbuck's tent and finds [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and specifically asks where Kara Thrace is. Moore said that this is a major plot point, and will feature in the first three episodes of season three. It might have something to do with her missing ovaries.
*In an [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview] with NowPlayingMagazine on March 11, 2006, Ron Moore said "Essentially, season three is going to deal with the Cylon occupation of the Colonials on New Caprica. The sort of archetype that we’re talking about is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]: There’s a Colonial government run by President Baltar that is collaborating with the Cylons, while the humans put together an insurgent resistance against the occupation."
*Moore goes on to say that: ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' will be trying to figure out a way to save everyone trapped on New Caprica.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama|Admiral William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Captain Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Commander Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|President (Doctor) Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Lieutenant Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla|Lieutenant Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek|Representative Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta|Lieutenant Felix Gaeta]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Leah+Cairns Leah Cairns] as [[Margaret Edmonson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicki+Clyne Nicki Clyne] as [[Cally|Specialist Cally]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dominic+Zamprogna Dominic Zamprogna] as [[Jammer]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Luciana+Carro Luciana Carro] as [[Louanne Katraine|Lt. Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[D'anna Biers]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Harvey+Frand Harvey Frand] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors===

===Writing Staff===

==Episodes==

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*3.02:
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== Official Statements ==

*An [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 official notice] of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in April.

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 3 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
{{Episode List}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]

Battlestar Galactica (TRS)

2006-03-13T17:46:38Z

Joemc72: Fixed Spelling

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[[Image:Image lg bgcast.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Some of the central cast of the new "Battlestar Galactica" series.<br>(c) Universal]]
A re-imagining of the original ''Battlestar Galactica'', currently in its second season.

==Summary==
Considered a "[[Wikipedia:Reboot_%28continuity%29|re-imagining]]", this series is a version of the 1970s ''Battlestar Galactica'' made more suitable to the sensibilities of the 21st Century. Tackling issues of civil rights, survival, terrorism, and religion, ''Battlestar Galactica'' is an epic following the survivors of the human race -- which number under 50,000. The ''[[Galactica]]'' finds herself leading a rag-tag refugee fleet on a lonely (and quite possibly, fictitious) quest for [[Earth]], with turmoil from within and danger from without.

Often referred to as RDM for the executive producer, [[Ronald D. Moore]] (as "Star Trek: The Next Generation" is often referred to as "TNG"). Also referred to initially as "TNS" (The New Series), but this has become rarer over time as the Ron Moore's BSG distinguished itself more and more from the Original Series.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as Commander/Admiral [[William "Husker" Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as President [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as Lieutenant/Captain [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as Captain/Major/Commander [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lieutenat [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer (2nd Class) [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]] (2003-2006)
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]] (2004-2005)

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors===
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Marita+Grabiak Marita Grabiak] (episode 1.02 "Water")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Rod+Hardy Rod Hardy] (episode 1.04 "Act of Contrition") (episode 1.06 "Litmus") (episode 2.05 "Farm, The") (episode 2.13 "Epiphanies")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+James+Head James Head] (episode 2.14 "Black Market")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alan+Kroeker Alan Kroeker] (episode 1.03 "Bastille Day") (episode 2.04 "Resistance")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan] (episode 1.05 "You Can't Go Home Again") (episode 2.03 "Fragged") (episode 2.06 "Home: Part 1") (episode 2.17 "The Captain's Hand")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Nankin Michael Nankin] (episode 2.09 "Flight of the Phoenix") (episode 2.15 "Scar")
* [[Edward James Olmos]] (episode 1.09 "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jonas+Pate Jonas Pate] (episode 1.11 "Colonial Day")
* [[Michael Rymer]] (episode 1.00 "Miniseries") (episode 1.01 "33") (episode 1.12 "Kobol's Last Gleaming: Part 1") (episode 1.13 "Kobol's Last Gleaming: Part 2") (episode 2.01 "Scattered") (episode 2.02 "Valley of Darkness") (episode 2.10 "Pegasus") (episode 2.11 "Resurrection Ship: Part 1") (episode 2.12 "Resurrection Ship: Part 2") (episode 2.19 "Lay Down Your Burdens: Part 1")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brad+Turner Brad Turner] (episode 1.08 "Flesh and Bone")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Rey+Villalobos Rey Villalobos] (episode 2.16 "Sacrifice")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Woolnough Jeff Woolnough] (episode 1.10 "Hand of God, The") (episode 2.07 "Home: Part 2") (episode 2.18 "Downloaded")
* [http://us.imdb.com/m/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young] (episode 1.07 "Six Degrees of Separation) (episode 2.08 "Final Cut")

===Writing Staff===
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ronald+D.+Moore Ronald D. Moore] (Miniseries Part 1, Miniseries Part 2, 1.01, 1.02, 1.12, 1.13, 2.07, 2.12)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Glen+A.+Larson Glen A. Larson] (Miniseries Part 2)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] (1.03, 1.08, 2.04)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Bradley+Thompson Bradley Thompson] (1.04, 1.05, 1.10, 2.01, 2.02, 2.09, 2.15)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+David+Weddle David Weddle] (1.04, 1.10, 2.01, 2.02, 2.09, 2.15)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Carla+Robinson Carla Robinson] (1.05, 1.11, 2.05)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Vlaming Jeff Vlaming] (1.06, 1.09)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Angeli Michael Angeli] (1.07)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicole+Yorkin Nicole Yorkin] (2.03)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dawn+Prestwich Dawn Prestwich] (2.03)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+David+Eick David Eick] (2.06, 2.07)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Mark+Verheiden Mark Verheiden] (2.08, 2.14)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Anne+Cofell+Saunders Anne Cofell Saunders] (2.10, 2.16)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Rymer Michael Rymer] (2.11, 2.12)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Joel+Anderson+Thompson Joel Anderson Thompson] (2.13)
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+James+Head James Head] (2.14)

* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brad+Turner Brad Turner]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young]

==Episodes==
*[[Miniseries]] (2003)
===Season 1 (2004-05)===
*1.01 [[33]]
*1.02 [[Water]]
*1.03 [[Bastille Day]]
*1.04 [[Act of Contrition]]
*1.05 [[You Can't Go Home Again]]
*1.06 [[Litmus]]
*1.07 [[Six Degrees of Separation]]
*1.08 [[Flesh and Bone]]
*1.09 [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]] (aka: [[Secrets and Lies]])
*1.10 [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]
*1.11 [[Colonial Day]]
*1.12 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]
*1.13 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]

===Season 2 (2005-06)===
*2.01 [[Scattered]]
*2.02 [[Valley of Darkness]]
*2.03 [[Fragged]]
*2.04 [[Resistance]]
*2.05 [[The Farm]]
*2.06 [[Home, Part I]]
*2.07 [[Home, Part II]]
*2.08 [[Final Cut]]
*2.09 [[Flight of the Phoenix]]
*2.10 [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]
*2.11 [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]
*2.12 [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]
*2.13 [[Epiphanies]]
*2.14 [[Black Market]]
*2.15 [[Scar]]
*2.16 [[Sacrifice]]
*2.17 [[The Captain's Hand]]
*2.18 [[Downloaded]]
*2.19 [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
*2.20 [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]

===Season 3 (2006-07)===
New episodes premiere October 2006 [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml]

== Official Statements ==

* ''"Apart from the fleet, is there any chance that there are other survivors? Clearly ''[[Colonial One]]'' would not have gotten to every ship that was in transit and those that had [[FTL]] could have escaped as well."''

:We are talking about shows that deal with other survivors right now. Don't ask about the [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] -- I [still] haven't made up my mind yet.

* ''"Will we see any of the [[:Category:Cast (TOS)|original cast (sic)]] apart from [[Richard Hatch]]? "''

: It's possible, but not yet on the board. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Why [[frak|"frack" (sic)]]? Where did the idea come from to make this the new F-word? Not that I don't like it, I find it amusing."''

: It's straight out of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]. I dropped many other terms from the old show like "[[centon]]" (a unit of measurement) and "[[yahren]]" (year) because I felt they distracted from the mood I was trying to create and they sounded a bit silly to my ear. There was something elegantly lovely about "[[frak]]," however. There's nothing like being able to say my favorite four letter word on TV over and over again and I salute [[Glen Larson]] for giving the joys of frakking up, frakking off, not giving a frak, and frakking-A to the masses. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Why does the doctor smoke?"''

:Because smoking is cool. Don't let anyone tell you different, kid.

:Seriously, we're showing people doing what people really do and not all of their choices are smart ones. We smoke, we drink, we have sex with the wrong partners -- we make lots of bad choices and some of them we do knowingly and in full cognizance of the risks and consequences. Dr. [[Cottle]] obviously knows the risks associated with smoking and he elects to do it anyway -- that's his choice.

:I'm also frankly tired of all the anti-smoking p.c. crap that we're bombarded with these days and I decided that this was a world without all that. Call it my one sop to the idea of an idealized society, the notion that adults can make informed choices and not be nagged to death or run out of public spaces for making choices that others may not like or agree with. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistent with the Navy."''

:The rank structure is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]. I didn't want to change Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] to Captain Adama or Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:

:'''Officers''' --
:Admiral
:Commander
:Colonel
:Major
:Captain
:Lieutenant
:Lieutenant (junior grade)
:Ensign

:'''Enlisted''' --
:Master Chief Petty Officer
:Chief Petty Officer
:Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)
:Specialist
:Deck Hand
:Recruit

:Just to complicate matters further, there are also [[Marines]] aboard ''[[Galactica]]'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors, etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked? -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Will we see the mess hall and other parts of the ship such as the main Kitchen where all the meals are prepared?"''

:I'd like to. It's a question of budget; there has to be a story point or scene so cool that we just have to build this set. The Head (bathroom to you lubbers) was built in the [[33|pilot]] specifically so we'd have it around during the series. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Was this the first show to ever show a bathroom on a space ship?"''

:It's ground-breaking TV, baby. Talk about reinventing the genre. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

:'''Note:''' While we are uncertain as to what show as the "first" to show a bathroom on a space ship, we know that this series was not the first to do so. One of the few shows prior to ''Battlestar'' to show a bathroom was, in fact, a second season episode of ''Babylon 5''.

* ''"Minor question: was [[Galactica]] ever re-commissioned? As I recall, the ship was decommissioned right before the [[Cylon attack]]. It'd be nice to show the ceremony if they ever get a free moment."''

:It's an interesting point. Might be something to play at some point, but more really as an "Oh, I haven't thought about it, but..." kind of thing. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"The question I would really like to see addressed is how to reconcile the underlying quest of ''Battlestar Galactica'' with actual scientific plausibility. The quest of Battlestar Galactica is to find [[Earth]], the 13th Colony. However, it is a basic and well-substantiated tenet of science that human life here on Earth evolved slowly from a primate ancestor. Attempts to deny evolution based on the notion that human kind deserves a far more worthy origin than what evolution details are a disservice to the pursuit of scientific truth and endeavors in our own world. There was always that reactionary sense to the original series, which drove it away from a secure standing as *science* fiction. How will the new series avoid this pitfall?"''

:I don't have a direct answer for this question yet. There are a couple of notions rolling around in my head as to how we reconcile the very real fact of evolution with the ''Galactica'' mythos, but I haven't decided which approach to take. However, it was a fundamental element of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original (sic) ''Galactica'']] mythos that "Life here began out there..." and I decided early on that it was crucial to maintain it. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"How did you come to decide upon [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Mary McDonnell]] for their roles? This kind of project seems somewhat out of their typical genre - did either have second thoughts about taking on the project?"''

:Eddie and Mary were actually the archetypes for the characters when we were developing the series. [[David Eick]] and I used to sit around and talk about what kind of actors would play [[William Adama|Adama]] and [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] and we always talked about these two Oscar level actors as our dream duo for the series, but we never really thought we'd get them. They've told the story themselves of why they decided to do the project, but in essence, they really responded to the [[Miniseries|pilot script]] and saw a lot of potential in the characters so they went for it, to our everlasting gratitude. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* "Are you using military advisors and if so, from what branch?"

:We don't have a full time military advisor on staff. However, we did have [[Ron Blecker|an advisor]] on set during the miniseries, who also put the principal actors through a "boot camp" before shooting. I can't honestly remember his name or service branch (sorry if you're reading this!) As far as the scripts go, [[Bradley Thompson]], [[David Weddle]], and I provide a lot of the military technical details based on our own knowledge base. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"I'll second the question - why is it that the paper in the Galactica universe has the corners cut off, even the tractor fed printer sheets! I just want to know."''

:This is a closely guarded secret of the show and certainly not a wacky design element that someone came up with during the [[Miniseries|miniseries]]. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

:'''Note:''' It has been admitted by some of the production staff that this is, more or less, a joke that went overboard -- namely one derived from the fact that corners had to be cut in order to keep within the budget for the mini. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"You mentioned that the reason that the ''[[Galactica]]'' was so low-tech was that it was designed to fight the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], who could possibly infiltrate it's systems, and that this was one of the reasons it survived. If that is so, then who were the other ships designed to fight? The 120 ships alluded to are a big force just for border patrol. Are there aliens we should know about? "''

:The first [[Cylon War]] came very close to wiping out the [[Colonies]], and so when the [[Cimtar Peace Accord|Armistice]] was declared, the government maintained a large standing military force for quite some time, just in case. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"Mythos. Every science fiction show that stands the test of time needs to develop its own Mythos. By this I mean, its own unique cultural identity. For instance ''Star Wars'' has its Jedi, its Force; ''Star Trek'' has its Prime directive, beaming, and warps (sic) speed. As a writer you are aware of this and having worked in the ''Star Trek'' franchise are rather qualified in it. What will are your thoughts and insights into the development of Mythos in this new BSG child that you are tending to and caring for? Especially, since there seems to be heavy pressure to incorporate the original mythos themes of the show, will this be a guiding blueprint for thought, or just a framework to create? "''

:The mythology of the new ''Galactica'' is heavily influenced by that established in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original]]. I've always approached this project with an eye toward taking the original material and making it work in a new context. I still try to do this whenever possible. Does it make sense that there would be a star system with [[Twelve Colonies|12 inhabitable planets]]? Not really, but that was in the original and at some point I decided to run with that as another nod to the old show. The mythology of the old show centered around [[Kobol]] and the thirteen "tribes of man," so I've kept it as the centerpiece of ours. Not every single element is the same and not every element is even intact, but the roots are there. The point was to make another version of ''Battlestar Galactica'', not just use the name. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"I was watching ''Wing Commander'' last night with my wife and she made a comment that the Kilrathi fighter looked pretty similar to the Cylon Raider. I know that some of the production staff from Wing Commander went on to begin production on the [[Tom DeSanto|DeSanto]] continuation, but is there in fact any sort of link here? I mean I first thought Droid Fighter from ''Star Wars: Episode One'', but that seems to be some kind of common design going on. "''

:"Wing Commander" is frequently mentioned to me as a possible influence on the show, but I've never actually seen it. While it's possible that other members of the production team were influenced by it, it wasn't something that figured into my thinking. My own design influences were things like "Das Boot" "Blade Runner" "Alien/Aliens" and a stack of documentaries on the modern and history US and Royal Navies.

*''"My questions: Can the show explain a little more about their technology, for example how fast are the [[FTL]] jumps. It seems the fleet barely moves when not jumping, if the jumps are only light speed and not multiples of, some of the sublight ships could conceivably catch up (the ones not destroyed by Cylons)"''

:An [[FTL]] Jump is nearly instantaneous, essentially moving a ship from point A to point B without travelling through the normal space-time continuum, presumably by bending space around the ship in some way. The analogy I used during production was to imagine three dimensional space as a flat piece of two dimensional paper. To get from one side to the other, you can travel in a straight line across the page, or you can gently bend the sheet in half and cross from edge to edge virtually instantly. How this is accomplished and what is the basis of this technology outstrips my technical brainpower.

:In fact, I feel faint just coming up with that explanation... -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Did the [[Twelve Colonies|colonies]] have outposts, bases, or trade partners outside of the 12 colonies. Did they even explore other systems. The colonies could have had observatories, listening posts, or even scientific research teams exploring other planets beyond the colonial system(s). They could encounter any of these which could lead to supplies, raw materials, food, fuel etc. "''

:I think that's probably true, but part of our premise is that the fleet has Jumped far out into unexplored space in an effort to elude the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], so we won't be encountered any other outposts or colonies. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"Are there any similarities between your reconception of the BG universe and where you might have gone if you'd been given the reigns of ''Voyager''?"''

:There are similarities in the premise of the two shows, so yes, there are things I'm applying here that I would've like to have done in [Star Trek:] ''Voyager'', i.e., lack of resources, the development of unique cultural and civil institutions, and internal strife among people trapped aboard ship(s) without any reasonable hope of finding sanctuary anytime soon. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"I have a friend who has a son and they both enjoy watching the new ''Battlestar Galactica''. But it is a very frustrating thing when he cannot allow his son watch the show when there are sex scenes and constant sexual innuendo scattered throughout the episodes.

:"The standard of the stories are superb and I would have to say it is one of the finest sci fi series I have seen in a long time. BUT IT DOESNT NEED SEX TO GET THE VIEWERS. Call me a little old fashioned but I nor others that I know really appreciate having to endure sex scenes that really do not further the story in any significant way. In fact I think they are rather pointless."''

:First of all, I'm sorry your friend can't watch the show with his son, but I always intended this series to be for adults. I have two small children, and I wouldn't dream of letting them watch the show -- mostly because of the violent content. Second of all, I disagree that the sexuality is intended to be exploitative or that it's somehow not integral to the story. We're presenting adult human beings as adults, and their sexuality is a key part of their lives. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] sexual weaknesses, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon]] and [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol's]] forbidden love affair, and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck's]] promiscuity are part of who and what they are. I think the only reason this gets the kind of attention is does is that we're not used to seeing sex treated maturely in science fiction -- nine times out of ten, any sex is either something to snigger at or to make fun of. Somehow it's okay to fetishize sex by putting women in S&M leather "space" outfits or have Carrie Fisher run around in harem clothes (not that there's anything wrong with that), but to portray two mature adults simply having sex is somehow controversial in sci-fi circles.

:I'd also point out, as I have many times before, the strange standards of American audiences, who can become red-faced with indignation over nudity, but find no problem with slasher films or chains-saw massacres. I mean, ''Galactica'''s premised on a massive genocide, and [[Miniseries|the pilot]] deals with violent, shocking deaths over and over again, but people get upset about the sex? Weird.... -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* Regarding the financial cost per episode of ''Battlestar'': "I can tell you that it’s well over one-and-a-half million dollars US per episode. It’s a substantial budget, especially when you convert it into Canadian dollars—and what we’re able to get up there—it’s a lot of money." [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]

* ''Regarding a typical day as an executive producer on ''Battlestar'':''

: The job changes as the year goes on. Right now, before we start shooting, my time is spent almost exclusively here with the writing staff. I’m writing an episode at the moment. I wrote the first episode and I’m writing the second one. The writers meet by themselves…they break some stories…I come in and give notes…and we talk about directions for other episodes. Then, as time goes on, they’ll start generating scripts and stories, and I give notes on those. I’m also taking notes from the network and the studio on previous existing material.

: There’ll also be more of me going back and forth between LA and Vancouver. And as we get closer to production, then there’ll be more looking at production designs, dealing with budgetary issues, having meetings with directors and actors, looking at casting tapes for guest-star roles. Once we get into production and start generating film, there’s dailies to watch…post moves forward and there’s cuts of episodes to watch…and there’s visual effects sequences to give notes on.

: There’s not really a typical day, per say. You have to be nimble and on your feet and able to keep changing direction. You have to cover all these different bases, and sometimes you can’t run to first. Sometimes you have to run to third, and then run back home, and then run to second. It’s never a complete pattern.

: I believe very much in delegating authority to the department heads, in empowering people and having them take responsibility for the work. My principal job is to maintain the overall vision of the piece. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]

* From the "Fashioning Verisimilitude" article / interview on [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com Hollywood North Report (HNR)]:

: '''Robert Falconer:''' And I guess the whole concept of the show, by definition, is that of a bottle show.

: '''Ron Moore:''' Yeah. And it was designed that way from the get-go. When [[David Eick]] and I went in and pitched it initially—knowing how expensive space opera can be—we designed it to be affordable on what we could get on a SCI-FI Channel budget. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]

* ''Regarding the use of bullets versus lasers on the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], as explained by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]:''

: [The bullets] are some sort of caseless ammunition. We had long technical discussions about some of this. What mattered to us was that they weren’t laser blasts. We just felt that had been done to death, it wasn’t as interesting, and it wasn’t realistic. From our research we discovered that such weapons would take huge amounts of energy, and that fighters would probably be better served by using actual bullets. But presumably they’re more advanced than what we’re using today, although we haven’t actually sat down and defined them as such. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm]

* ''Regarding the reconciliation between [[William Adama]] and his son [[Lee Adama]] at the end of the [[Miniseries]], as explained by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]:''

: I think it will go up and it will go down, like any father-son dynamic does. I think they bridged a gap in the miniseries that certainly had held them apart for a couple of years. I don’t think that issue has been completely resolved, but they’ve moved past it to a certain point. Now they’re in a new relationship and a new dynamic…they’re father and son and they’re also serving on the same ship, and the stresses and pressures of that will affect the relationship. I think it’s interesting that Lee Adama has a strong relationship with [[Laura Roslin|Laura]], and that he in some respects is a bridge between her and his father. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm]

* '''Edward James Olmos''': The stories are just, really, stunning. I have wept reading this thing, I have been left amazed and I've been left totally in awe. {{ref|BSG_2.0_DVD}}

== See Also ==

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_science_fiction A description on Wikipedia on naturalistic SF] concepts used in the series

== References ==

* {{note|BSG_2.0_DVD}} [[Battlestar Galactica: Season 2.0]], the Region 1 DVD

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 1 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Season 2 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
* [[List of Emmy Nominations and Wins]]

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Cloud 9

2006-03-11T04:30:39Z

Joemc72: current tense.

[[Image:Bsg-c9-2.jpg|thumb|<i>Cloud Nine</i> (credit: Sci-Fi Channel)]]

'''''Cloud 9''''' is a massive, [[FTL|jump-capable]] luxury liner within [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]. Extensively damaged during the [[Cylon Attack]], she had to be evacuated while repairs were made ([[Colonial Day]]). Following her repairs, she returned to full service within the Fleet, and provided a venue for the first sitting of the interim [[Quorum of Twelve]] convened by [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] ([[Colonial Day]]).

The ship is unique in that as well as traditional living and working space on board, ''Cloud 9'' incoporates a huge pressurised biome that provides a realistic simulation of a planetary surface, including gardens, buildings, trees - even an artificial sky.

After her flight from captivity in ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' brig, President Roslin, along with [[Lee Adama|Captain Lee Adama]] and priestess [[Elosha]], flee in a [[Raptor]] to ''Cloud 9'' to hide from [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] and [[William Adama|Commander Adama]]. The group is taken in by [[Tom Zarek]], who meets with them onboard ''Cloud 9''. ''Cloud 9's'' high volume of intraship traffic makes it virtually impossible for ''Galactica'' to track their final hiding place ([[Resistance]]).

''Cloud 9'' also has a swimming area. Commander Adama's orders shore leave for Colonel Tigh, advising him to take a swim and relax from his unexpected command duties when Adama was injured. Colonel Tigh never leaves ''Galactica'' to enjoy it as his Raptor was [[Joe Palladino|sabotaged]] in an assassination attempt ([[Final Cut]]).

Many of ''Cloud 9's'' accommodations appear more like hotel rooms than bunks or seats. A passenger, [[Shevon]], lives in one such room, where Captain Adama visits her for intimate moments. Shevon is removed from her room by [[Phelan]]'s thugs, and Captain Adama later finds the killer of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] in the room, dead of a gunshot to the head ([[Black Market]]). The Cylon sympathizer/terrorist group "[[Demand Peace]]" also operates out of a suite located onboard ''Cloud 9'' ([[Epiphanies]]).

''Cloud 9'' and several smaller ships are destroyed by [[Gina]] just after the presidential election using a nuclear device that was given to her by [[Gaius Baltar]].

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Cloud 9 Ballroom.jpg|''Cloud 9'' - Ballroom  
Image:Cloud 9 - Gardens.jpg|''Cloud 9'' -- Garden  
Image:Cloud 9 - Horizon.jpg|The "horizon" of ''Cloud 9''  
</gallery>

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Cloud 9

2006-03-11T04:28:16Z

Joemc72: Boom!

[[Image:Bsg-c9-2.jpg|thumb|<i>Cloud Nine</i> (credit: Sci-Fi Channel)]]

'''''Cloud 9''''' is a massive, [[FTL|jump-capable]] luxury liner within [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]. Extensively damaged during the [[Cylon Attack]], she had to be evacuated while repairs were made ([[Colonial Day]]). Following her repairs, she returned to full service within the Fleet, and provided a venue for the first sitting of the interim [[Quorum of Twelve]] convened by [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] ([[Colonial Day]]).

The ship is unique in that as well as traditional living and working space on board, ''Cloud 9'' incoporates a huge pressurised biome that provides a realistic simulation of a planetary surface, including gardens, buildings, trees - even an artificial sky.

After her flight from captivity in ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' brig, President Roslin, along with [[Lee Adama|Captain Lee Adama]] and priestess [[Elosha]], flee in a [[Raptor]] to ''Cloud 9'' to hide from [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] and [[William Adama|Commander Adama]]. The group is taken in by [[Tom Zarek]], who meets with them onboard ''Cloud 9''. ''Cloud 9's'' high volume of intraship traffic makes it virtually impossible for ''Galactica'' to track their final hiding place ([[Resistance]]).

''Cloud 9'' also has a swimming area. Commander Adama's orders shore leave for Colonel Tigh, advising him to take a swim and relax from his unexpected command duties when Adama was injured. Colonel Tigh never leaves ''Galactica'' to enjoy it as his Raptor was [[Joe Palladino|sabotaged]] in an assassination attempt ([[Final Cut]]).

Many of ''Cloud 9's'' accommodations appear more like hotel rooms than bunks or seats. A passenger, [[Shevon]], lives in one such room, where Captain Adama visits her for intimate moments. Shevon is removed from her room by [[Phelan]]'s thugs, and Captain Adama later finds the killer of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] in the room, dead of a gunshot to the head ([[Black Market]]). The Cylon sympathizer/terrorist group "[[Demand Peace]]" also operates out of a suite located onboard ''Cloud 9'' ([[Epiphanies]]).

''Cloud 9'' and several smaller ships were destroyed by [[Gina]] just after the presidential election. She used a nuclear device that was given to her by [[Gaius Baltar]].

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Cloud 9 Ballroom.jpg|''Cloud 9'' - Ballroom  
Image:Cloud 9 - Gardens.jpg|''Cloud 9'' -- Garden  
Image:Cloud 9 - Horizon.jpg|The "horizon" of ''Cloud 9''  
</gallery>

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Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II/Archive2

2006-03-11T04:24:08Z

Joemc72: /* Speechless */

== The Cliffhanger ==

I'm betting that Baltar's little gift to the [[Demand Peace]] movement makes its way to ''Pegasus'' and is about to destroy or mortally damage the battlestar in this season closer. Mortally damaging it makes more sense to allow ''Galactica'' (and the show) to gather some of the new resources that ''Pegasus'' brought before it has to be removed from the picture. Perhaps, in coordination with a probable Cylon attack, ''Pegasus'' may end up doing a "[[The Living Legend, Part II|Commander Cain charge]]" at the start of Season 3. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 13 February 2006 (EST)

:Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quite drinking...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:02, 13 February 2006 (EST)

::Is it just me, or does the second season seem to be bouncing from cliffhanger to cliffhanger, with the in-between episodes being nothing but filler? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:08, 13 February 2006 (EST)

:::It isn't just you... Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:22, 13 February 2006 (EST)

::::I don't mind the "filler" episodes. I believe you need them to set up future stories down the road. I believe PEGASUS will stick around for one or two episodes next year(Gives them time to strip her down)....Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:36, 15 February 2006 (EST)

There's no cliffhanger, really. The Cylons win, humanity is occupied and the ships of the fleet are essentially empty with everyone down on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. The show is completely different from here on out. Cloud Nine is gone (which from a production standpoint makes sense--- no need for a planet-like ship when they have an actual planet) and all the leads but Lee, Adama and possibly Sharon are on the planet, hoping not to be killed by their new Cylon overlords. It's awesome. Oh, girlBilly seems to be sticking around as a character as well. [[User:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]]

:You have no idea; that's just fanfic. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)

::Could one or the other of you please explain what that last enormous edit-and-reversion was all about? Numbertwelve, have you seen the episode in question? Are you passing on reports from other sources, and if so, can you identify them? Merv, are you familiar with a fanfic that resembles his description? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:::Well, it sounds like he was just posting his own ''guesses/fanfic ideas'' without any basis on actual material, so I cleaned it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)
::::I believe that the info is coming from [http://greycoupon.livejournal.com/3808.html BIG SPOILERS]. Don't know the validity of it though.
:::::Based on the what I've read of the Part I summary, I'd say that the information was actually accurate. That said, I'm not sure this site really wants to post detailed episode summaries before the episode has actually aired anywhere, especially when we have no way of confirming the source.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:35, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:::::: In all likelihood, numbertwelve's comments stem from [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season2b.html here]. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 03:24, 8 March 2006 (CST)

::::::: Judging by that picture, I think those spoilers might be right, though I seriously hope they are dead wrong, anyone else hope this? --[[User:LeobenConoy|LeobenConoy]] 02:30, 10 March 2006 (TST)

:::::::: It certainly would be a heck of a sharp turn for the series, but, y'know, I'm OK with that. RDM really kinda needs to keep making sharp turns to keep the series from falling too much into the established track of the Original Series, for one thing. For another thing, I like surprises :-) I don't want this story to become too predictable. Actually, when I look back over the two seasons to date, RDM et alia have not allowed us to settle into anything like a routine for more than a few episodes before they kick over the tables again. That's a good thing. That said, if the spoilers are in fact correct...it's going to be a long six months 'til we find out how the situation resolves itself...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:12, 9 March 2006 (CST)

== The Peace Proposal ==

I haven't actually seen "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", yet (I don't have cable, so I'm basically watching via DVD as time allows), but reading the summary, I see no mention of the Cylon peace proposal in the story as aired. It looks as though the preliminary data for the episodes was somewhat misleading, and that the peace proposal won't come until Part II. The Part II article, however, still reflects the old information. Should this be changed now? Or just wait for Friday's airing and the full summary?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:32, 4 March 2006 (CST)

== Speechless ==
Holy crap they turned everything on its head. I can't think of a better way of stating the obvious. ONE YEAR LATER!?!?!? Crap. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 22:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:Yep...and we'll have to wait about that frakkin' long to find out WTF happens next...:) [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 22:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

== Well Then... ==

Wasn't that something. I glanced over the rumors prior, but it has to be seen to get the real effect. That, and I was hoping they were dead wrong. --[[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:16, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II/Archive2

2006-03-11T04:23:38Z

Joemc72: /* Speechless */

== The Cliffhanger ==

I'm betting that Baltar's little gift to the [[Demand Peace]] movement makes its way to ''Pegasus'' and is about to destroy or mortally damage the battlestar in this season closer. Mortally damaging it makes more sense to allow ''Galactica'' (and the show) to gather some of the new resources that ''Pegasus'' brought before it has to be removed from the picture. Perhaps, in coordination with a probable Cylon attack, ''Pegasus'' may end up doing a "[[The Living Legend, Part II|Commander Cain charge]]" at the start of Season 3. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 13 February 2006 (EST)

:Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quite drinking...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:02, 13 February 2006 (EST)

::Is it just me, or does the second season seem to be bouncing from cliffhanger to cliffhanger, with the in-between episodes being nothing but filler? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:08, 13 February 2006 (EST)

:::It isn't just you... Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:22, 13 February 2006 (EST)

::::I don't mind the "filler" episodes. I believe you need them to set up future stories down the road. I believe PEGASUS will stick around for one or two episodes next year(Gives them time to strip her down)....Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:36, 15 February 2006 (EST)

There's no cliffhanger, really. The Cylons win, humanity is occupied and the ships of the fleet are essentially empty with everyone down on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. The show is completely different from here on out. Cloud Nine is gone (which from a production standpoint makes sense--- no need for a planet-like ship when they have an actual planet) and all the leads but Lee, Adama and possibly Sharon are on the planet, hoping not to be killed by their new Cylon overlords. It's awesome. Oh, girlBilly seems to be sticking around as a character as well. [[User:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]]

:You have no idea; that's just fanfic. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)

::Could one or the other of you please explain what that last enormous edit-and-reversion was all about? Numbertwelve, have you seen the episode in question? Are you passing on reports from other sources, and if so, can you identify them? Merv, are you familiar with a fanfic that resembles his description? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:::Well, it sounds like he was just posting his own ''guesses/fanfic ideas'' without any basis on actual material, so I cleaned it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)
::::I believe that the info is coming from [http://greycoupon.livejournal.com/3808.html BIG SPOILERS]. Don't know the validity of it though.
:::::Based on the what I've read of the Part I summary, I'd say that the information was actually accurate. That said, I'm not sure this site really wants to post detailed episode summaries before the episode has actually aired anywhere, especially when we have no way of confirming the source.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:35, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:::::: In all likelihood, numbertwelve's comments stem from [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season2b.html here]. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 03:24, 8 March 2006 (CST)

::::::: Judging by that picture, I think those spoilers might be right, though I seriously hope they are dead wrong, anyone else hope this? --[[User:LeobenConoy|LeobenConoy]] 02:30, 10 March 2006 (TST)

:::::::: It certainly would be a heck of a sharp turn for the series, but, y'know, I'm OK with that. RDM really kinda needs to keep making sharp turns to keep the series from falling too much into the established track of the Original Series, for one thing. For another thing, I like surprises :-) I don't want this story to become too predictable. Actually, when I look back over the two seasons to date, RDM et alia have not allowed us to settle into anything like a routine for more than a few episodes before they kick over the tables again. That's a good thing. That said, if the spoilers are in fact correct...it's going to be a long six months 'til we find out how the situation resolves itself...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:12, 9 March 2006 (CST)

== The Peace Proposal ==

I haven't actually seen "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", yet (I don't have cable, so I'm basically watching via DVD as time allows), but reading the summary, I see no mention of the Cylon peace proposal in the story as aired. It looks as though the preliminary data for the episodes was somewhat misleading, and that the peace proposal won't come until Part II. The Part II article, however, still reflects the old information. Should this be changed now? Or just wait for Friday's airing and the full summary?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:32, 4 March 2006 (CST)

== Speechless ==
Holy crap they turned everything on its head. I can't think of a better way of stating the obvious. ONE YEAR LATER!?!?!? Crap. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 22:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)
Yep...and we'll have to wait about that frakkin' long to find out WTF happens next...:) [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 22:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

== Well Then... ==

Wasn't that something. I glanced over the rumors prior, but it has to be seen to get the real effect. That, and I was hoping they were dead wrong. --[[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:16, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Site support

2006-03-07T13:59:09Z

Joemc72: /* Revenue */

I already frequently, and vocally, point people here for answers on the official messageboard. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:27, 2 March 2006 (CST)
:That you do. When I saw the drinking game thread I assumed you would link here... until I remembered that the wiki was down. Then I was sad... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:31, 2 March 2006 (CST)

== Revenue ==

So, I had a [http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=iamday%40gmail.com&F=cag shirt idea]. It's not spectacular, but I think it's obscure enough to not be sued over. The rank pip is for a captain, though it could be changed. I was also thinking, as mentioned on the Frappr! site, of doing quotes shirts (In fact, I already [http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=iamday%40gmail.com&F=hear threw one together]). The place I'm using to make these designs, [http://customink.com/ Custom Ink], is really neat and it's what we used to create the [http://texassportsweekly.com/store.html Texas Sports Weekly shirts] which turned out nicely. We could also do [http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?C=5 mugs] and other things through them, if we wanted. Anyone else with ideas? --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:45, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:Day, I love you like a brother...but your t-shirt idea is nothing compared to mine. I am sorry:

:*This shirt was created by Man
:*It rebelled
:*It evolved
:*There are many copies
:*And they have a plan...

::--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:49, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:::Wow. That IS good...where do I sign up? I want one with a glowing spine on the back. :) [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 14:55, 2 March 2006 (CST)

::::I don't know, I just made it up myself. Seemed logical. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:59, 2 March 2006 (CST)

::::: I like it. Mind if I work up a mock-up on CustomInk and then link it? I was thinking black shirt with some white (probably) lettering. And on the spine-glow... We'll have to be subtle about it... Probably possible with photoshop, but to do a true-gradient would cost a lot (you pay per color, see), so stipling would be the most cost-efficient method. Anyway, I await your reply, Merv. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:38, 2 March 2006 (CST)

::::::No glowing spine. Cylons are only seen with the glowing spine when reaching the heights of orgasm while having sex, and some people might take that the wrong way on a t-shirt you wear around all day.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:06, 2 March 2006 (CST)

::::::: Hahaha! Point. Hrm... Someone think of a witty way to have a shirt saying, "I am a Cylon Agent" without saying it so, uh... directly. That would make a good one, too. Anyway, Merv, I'm going to take your lack of a request to ''not'' mock up your shirt idea as permission. I'll try to get to it soon. Doesn't take much doing, as it's only text. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:58, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:::::::To state it clearly: "My permission is to make a shirt using the above phrase, but NOT the glowing spine". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:09, 3 March 2006 (CST)

::::::::Curses, foiled again. Meddling kids...:) I'd still buy the T-Shirt though. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 07:59, 7 March 2006 (CST)

== We're going to need a unique logo ==

Well, it looks like we're going to need a unique logo if we're to make shirts, mugs, mousepads and all that good stuff. Obviously, the quotes idea is pretty cool, but if we are going to promote the website than a totally new logo is going to have to be devised. It needs to be "Galactica"-ized, but not so much where we can get into hot water due to copyright issues. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:58, 2 March 2006 (CST)

: Hrm... I went and looked at Wikipedia's logo and other various wikis. I was trying to see if there some some unifying theme we could key in on, but it doesn't appear that there is. So... It's fairly easy to find a Battlestar-type font (I found one for free some time ago), but I don't think it would be best to have an all-text logo. What kind of things should we accompany the words with? What about just the eye part of a RDM Cylon Centurion? --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:: Honestly, I don't have any particular idea in mind. Feel free to be creative. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:22, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:The Raid/Archive 1

2006-03-06T21:31:17Z

Joemc72:

Talk:The Raid/Archive 1

2006-03-06T21:29:16Z

Joemc72:

Was this episode mentioned somewhere specifically as being deleted? [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 15:29, 6 March 2006 (CST)

Galen Tyrol

2006-03-06T21:27:59Z

Joemc72: /* Depression and suicidal yearnings */

{{Character Data|
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|callsign= "Chief" (nickname)
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|parents= An unnamed Oracle (mother) and a Priest (father).
|siblings=
|children=
|marital status= Single
|role= Senior NCO, Deck Crew 5, [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''
|rank= Chief Petty Officer
|actor= [[Aaron Douglas]]
|cylon=
|name=
}}

== Biography ==

=== Background ===

'''Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol''' is a much-admired NCO aboard the ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including the battlestars ''[[Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] for a number of years, and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modelled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.

However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Mini-Series]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.

Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 deckhands and specialists, since the Cylon Attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on the ''Galactica''.

=== Cylon Attack ===

At the time of the Cylon Attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] Mark II N7242C - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Mini-Series]]).

Following the attack, with the ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Mini-Series]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.

=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===

For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant (JG) [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]], a [[Raptor]] pilot aboard the ''Galactica''. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement.

When the water supplies on the ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admmission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage the ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Mini-Series]]).

Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]).

Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a Cylon agent (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself.

While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.

=== Kobol ===

When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])

While Tyrol was the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status left Lt. [[Crashdown]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blamed [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus was injured during the crash and a drug called [[serisone]] was needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol stepped in, recommending that he and Cally accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio was ambushed and Tarn was the only one killed. ([[Scattered]]) Eventually, he and Cally make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. With no other alternative, Tyrol euthanized Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits. ([[Valley of Darkness]])

Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Cally, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack.

When it became clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Cally refused to act as a distraction. Tyrol attempted to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish was undefended; all that needed to be done was to destroy that, and the turret could not automatically target any incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Cally, prompting Baltar to kill Crashdown.

As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroyed the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursued them towards it. Tyrol then made a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons were all killed; a surprised Tyrol turned around and saw that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, had destroyed the Centurions. ([[Fragged]]).

=== After Kobol ===

Tyrol was arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accused him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. In order to extract information from Valerii, Baltar injected a drug that induced a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs. (This was during an alleged attempt to draw blood from Tyrol for Baltar's Cylon detector.) After extracting the number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii's subconscious, Tyrol was spared a painful death -- and was eventually proven to be a bona-fide human.

Tyrol was present when his own deckhand, Cally, killed Valerii, as Tyrol accompanied the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance]]). This act caused Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which were already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.

As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope began to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage became too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he had little else to do, he scribbled out a design for a new fighter and began to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his flight crews were skeptical that the Chief's project was anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spread as the fuselage formed and Tyrol's dream became reality. While Colonel Tigh was visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama noticed that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gave the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allowed off-duty crew to work on the project. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from the [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lent a hand.

Tyrol's group was stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter, since spare parts were reserved for the Vipers. But Helo suggested carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solved the covering but added a significant new ability: Stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter practically invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.

After the ship's [[Logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], was given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christened the fighter, and Tyrol revealed the nickname of the fighter in honor of the President: ''Laura''.

=== Helo's Return ===

After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, who happens to be pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both were upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that they loved despite the reality of what they were ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]), leading them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.

Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lt. [[Alistair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knew it began, and she sentenced both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompted Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.

The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.

After the escaped Cylon agent [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer."

=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===
Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely.

Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requested counselling with a priest, and was assigned [[Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Cylon agent|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".

Cavil tells him to get back to work, which is where is real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]])

== Note ==

*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's Podcast during Season 1, but it was not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance]]".
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.
*Ron D. Moore stated in an [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/2212/2/| interview with Now Playing Magazine] on 16 Sept, 2005 that Chief Tyrol is a Gemenon. This is in keeping with previously established facts about him: Gemenons are very religious, and Tyrol's father was a priest and his mother was an oracle.

{{Characters}}

[[Category:A to Z|Tyrol, Galen]]
[[Category:Characters|Tyrol, Galen]]
[[Category:RDM|Tyrol, Galen]]
[[Category:People from Gemenon|Tyrol, Galen]]

Galen Tyrol

2006-03-06T21:23:27Z

Joemc72: Present tense and some cleanup

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|birthname= Galen Tyrol
|callsign= "Chief" (nickname)
|death=
|parents= An unnamed Oracle (mother) and a Priest (father).
|siblings=
|children=
|marital status= Single
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|rank= Chief Petty Officer
|actor= [[Aaron Douglas]]
|cylon=
|name=
}}

== Biography ==

=== Background ===

'''Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol''' is a much-admired NCO aboard the ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including the battlestars ''[[Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] for a number of years, and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modelled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.

However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Mini-Series]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.

Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 deckhands and specialists, since the Cylon Attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on the ''Galactica''.

=== Cylon Attack ===

At the time of the Cylon Attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] Mark II N7242C - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Mini-Series]]).

Following the attack, with the ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Mini-Series]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.

=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===

For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant (JG) [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]], a [[Raptor]] pilot aboard the ''Galactica''. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement.

When the water supplies on the ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admmission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage the ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Mini-Series]]).

Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]).

Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a Cylon agent (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself.

While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.

=== Kobol ===

When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])

While Tyrol was the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status left Lt. [[Crashdown]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blamed [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus was injured during the crash and a drug called [[serisone]] was needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol stepped in, recommending that he and Cally accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio was ambushed and Tarn was the only one killed. ([[Scattered]]) Eventually, he and Cally make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. With no other alternative, Tyrol euthanized Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits. ([[Valley of Darkness]])

Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Cally, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack.

When it became clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Cally refused to act as a distraction. Tyrol attempted to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish was undefended; all that needed to be done was to destroy that, and the turret could not automatically target any incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Cally, prompting Baltar to kill Crashdown.

As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroyed the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursued them towards it. Tyrol then made a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons were all killed; a surprised Tyrol turned around and saw that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, had destroyed the Centurions. ([[Fragged]]).

=== After Kobol ===

Tyrol was arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accused him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. In order to extract information from Valerii, Baltar injected a drug that induced a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs. (This was during an alleged attempt to draw blood from Tyrol for Baltar's Cylon detector.) After extracting the number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii's subconscious, Tyrol was spared a painful death -- and was eventually proven to be a bona-fide human.

Tyrol was present when his own deckhand, Cally, killed Valerii, as Tyrol accompanied the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance]]). This act caused Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which were already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.

As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope began to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage became too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he had little else to do, he scribbled out a design for a new fighter and began to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his flight crews were skeptical that the Chief's project was anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spread as the fuselage formed and Tyrol's dream became reality. While Colonel Tigh was visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama noticed that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gave the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allowed off-duty crew to work on the project. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from the [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lent a hand.

Tyrol's group was stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter, since spare parts were reserved for the Vipers. But Helo suggested carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solved the covering but added a significant new ability: Stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter practically invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.

After the ship's [[Logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], was given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christened the fighter, and Tyrol revealed the nickname of the fighter in honor of the President: ''Laura''.

=== Helo's Return ===

After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, who happens to be pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both were upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that they loved despite the reality of what they were ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]), leading them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.

Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lt. [[Alistair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knew it began, and she sentenced both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompted Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.

The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.

After the escaped Cylon agent [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer."

=== Depression and suicidal yearnings ===
Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely.

Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requested counselling with a priest, and was assigned [[Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Cylon agent|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".

Cavil tells him to get back to work, which is where is real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]])

== Note ==

*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's Podcast during Season 1, but it was not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance]]".
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.
*Ron D. Moore stated in an [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/2212/2/| interview with Now Playing Magazine] on 16 Sept, 2005 that Chief Tyrol is a Gemenon. This is in keeping with previously established facts about him: Gemenons are very religious, and Tyrol's father was a priest and his mother was an oracle.

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[[Category:A to Z|Tyrol, Galen]]
[[Category:Characters|Tyrol, Galen]]
[[Category:RDM|Tyrol, Galen]]
[[Category:People from Gemenon|Tyrol, Galen]]

Sharon Agathon

2006-03-02T21:10:10Z

Joemc72: Sharon's Role

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''This page is about the copy of Sharon Valerii first seen on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], who loves [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and becomes pregnant. For the copy of Sharon Valerii first seen on [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]], who loves [[Galen Tyrol]] and is shot by [[Cally]], see [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)]]. For information about the various copies see [[Sharon Valerii]].''

== Biography ==
When [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is left on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] use him in an elaborate experiment. Key to this experiment is another copy of Valerii, with copies of [[Aaron Doral]] and [[Number Six|Six]] acting as overseers for the experiment. This second Valerii "rescues" Helo from capture by [[Number Six|Six]] and [[Cylon Centurion]]s. Unaware of Valerii's true nature, Helo genuinely believes this Valerii copy to be the "Boomer" he knew from ''Galactica''. Following his rescue, Valerii leads Helo to "her" [[Raptor]], now in the hands of Cylons, convincing him that they have no direct way off of the planet ([[Water]]).

Following this, and having received a "Colonial signal" on the radio receiver they are carrying, she leads Helo to a city where they find a fully-equipped "fallout shelter" in which two people can live in reasonable security, hidden from above-ground Cylon operations, and with sufficient supplies to last a considerable period of time ([[Act of Contrition]]).

=== The Experiment ===

The purpose in establishing this "nest" is to elicit an emotional response in Helo towards Valerii. When this fails, and he continues to express a desire to get off the planet, the Cylons arrange for Valerii to be "captured", determining that if Helo does not seek to rescue her, the experiment has failed, and he must be killed ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).

Following Helo's "rescue" of Valerii, genuine concern and mutual need result in the two having sex ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), an accomplishment she reports to Doral and Six. A new hideout, a cabin in the woods, is being constructed for Helo and Valerii, and she is instructed to lead him there and have him stay with her - or kill him if he attempts to leave ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

Faced with this, and the realization that she has herself fallen in love with Helo, Valerii disobeys her instructions and attempts to lead Helo to [[Delphi]], where they hope to steal a vehicle and get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]). On the way to the spaceport, Valerii shows signs of being pregnant: she succumbs to a bout of morning sickness ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]) and develops a ravenous appetite ([[Colonial Day]]).

=== Helo's Discovery ===
[[Image:Boomerhelokara.jpg|225px|Helo attempts to stop Kara from shooting Sharon, in the Delphi Museum.|thumb]]
On reaching Delphi, Valerii and Helo break into the Cylon facilities to reach the spaceport. When Helo encounters yet another copy of Valerii, he draws the initial conclusion that she is a human clone created by the Cylons, and goes on the run alone ([[Colonial Day]]). When Valerii catches up with him, her emotional condition is so confused that she challenges him to shoot her ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Helo is only able to wound her, and takes her with him to use her to somehow get off Caprica. While Helo keeps her at gunpoint, she leads him to the [[Delphi Museum]]. Waiting out a storm in a nearby ruined building, Sharon tells Helo that her love for him is real and that she is pregnant with his child.

When she and Helo come across Starbuck, who lands near the museum to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]], Thrace realizes instantly that Valerii is a Cylon and attempts to shoot her. Helo stops Thrace and reveals to her that Valerii is pregnant ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Starbuck is convinced that Caprica-Valerii must be a Cylon copy of the "real" Sharon on ''Galactica''. Caprica-Valerii tries to convince her that they are both Cylons and both of them is just as "real" as the other, by remembering the first time they met, to no avail.

=== Valerii and The Resistance ===

After Thrace attempts to kill her, Valerii escapes in Thrace's Cylon Raider to save the life of her unborn child ([[Scattered]]). After tracking them for several days, Valerii returns to Helo and a [[Resistance (movement)|Caprica resistance movement]] to aid them in finding the missing Thrace ([[The Farm]]). Valerii steals a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] and arrives at the rescue scene to destroy several Centurions and rescue the entire resistance group. Convinced that this Sharon copy can be sufficiently trusted, or at least give useful information on Cylon activity, they allow Valerii to join them as they take the Heavy Raider back to [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

When Valerii walks aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', [[Lee Adama]] spots her, grabs Valerii and places his gun to her head, obviously angry that another Valerii copy exists (the Galactica copy having shot his father, [[William Adama]]). Helo immediately places his gun against Adama's head, but President Roslin urges both men enough to drop their weapons, and orders Valerii to be ejected out the airlock. Valerii pleads for her life, telling Roslin she knows the precise location of the [[Laura Roslin faction|faction's]] objective: The [[Tomb of Athena]]. Roslin reconsiders and places Valerii in the brig. Roslin later confirms that the Cylon is actually working on their side because Valerii wants her child and Helo to remain safe from what Roslin interprets as a mothering instinct.
[[image:sharonhome.jpg|235px|Sharon on Kobol, with Helo, Elosha, and Roslin.|thumb]]
Valerii accompanies Roslin's party to [[Kobol]]. Valerii recites the specific passages of the Tomb in the scriptures of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] and plots the group's path along a ridge nearby. As priestess [[Elosha]] examines a gravestone marker along the ancient trail, the handcuffed Valerii senses danger but is too late to warn anyone; two "Bouncing Betty"-style antipersonnel mines detonate, killing Elosha. At the same instant, a group of Centurions open fire. As others hide or return fire, Valerii vaults away, with Lee Adama in pursuit, believing she is trying to escape. Valerii scoops up a grenade launcher lying ahead, and just as Lee Adama thinks she is about to shoot him, she aims for the last Centurion and destroys it ([[Home, Part I]]). At camp, Adama and Thrace are perplexed that Helo now still loves Valerii, although he is aware she is a cylon.

While walking, Valerii casually tells Helo that their child is a girl. Commander Adama's search party arrives at Roslin's camp. The warm reunion of the two leaders and family is interrupted when Adama sees this second copy of Sharon Valerii. Commander Adama immediately tries to choke her to death. He releases her after experiencing terrible chest pains (probably the result of his recent surgery, or from anxiety), as she says "And you asked 'why'?" (mysteriously referencing what Commander Adama said over the body of the dead body of "Boomer" Valerii).

[[Tom Zarek]]'s follower, [[Meier]], tries to convince her to help him kill both Adamas. Valerii believed her ''Galactica'' counterpart was being held in the [[brig]], but Meier informs her that she was killed. She expresses her outrage to Helo that Cally killed Boomer with only a minor punishment. Valerii deduces that the Colonials don't see humanoid Cylons are people; she is a thing they may destroy once they no longer need her. Valerii pretends to take up Meier's proposal to kill Commander Adama and Lee Adama, but after they all draw their weapons, she shoots Meier instead, saving the lives of both Adamas. She announces to Commander Adama that she is not the same Sharon that shot him, and that she is not a sleeper agent with hidden protocols waiting to activate; she makes her own choices. She surrenders the weapon to Commander Adama, to everyone's surprise.

=== The Cooperative Cylon ===

Subsequently, Valerii is brought aboard battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' and imprisoned in a new reinforced cell designed to incarcerate the copy of Sharon known as "Boomer." [[Number Six]] tells Dr. Baltar that Valerii's baby will be born in that cell. Number Six considers Valerii's and Helo's biological child to be hers; she says that she will be its "mother" and Baltar will be it's "father" ([[Home, Part II]]).

While in her cell Valerii nearly has a miscarriage, and is rushed to [[Sickbay]] where Dr. [[Cottle]] succeeds in saving the fetus. [[D'anna Biers]], a reporter for the Fleet News Service, stumbles upon Valerii while filming her documentary in Sickbay. D'anna threatens to expose that Adama is harboring a Cylon aboard ''Galactica'', but he confiscated what he believed was Biers' tape of Valerii. In reality, D'anna secretly switches tapes and keeps the real one. This critical information was not broadcast in the final cut of her documentary distributed to the Fleet, but it was broadcast back to other Cylons on Caprica (by way of two Raiders that attacked ''Galactica'' in order to get within transmission range). The Cylons on Caprica (including another copy of D'anna and yet another Valerii copy) are surprised yet overjoyed that Helo's Valerii is still alive (they are apparently unaware that she had survived). They are incredibly concerned that her hybrid child survives, saying that it must be protected at all costs ([[Final Cut]]).

[[Image:Valerii_virus.jpg|thumb|left|Valerii in trance while disabling the Cylon logic bomb]]

When ''Galactica'' experiences mysterious computer failures and system malfunctions from yet another Cylon virus, Commander Adama orders Helo to show the incarcerated Valerii the strange Cylon code. Valerii identifies it as a very virulent [[Logic bomb]] that will take control of the ship and kill off the crew if she does not help. Reluctantly, on advice from President Roslin, Commander Adama brings Valerii to [[CIC]], where Valerii cuts her arm open and connects her body to a fiber optic line to communicate with ''Galactica's'' mainframe [[Computers|computer]] and communication channels. The process is painful both to Valerii and to the crew watching the spectacle. With Valerii now with access, she takes into her a portion of the logic bomb code, then instructs Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to wipe the hard drives of the system computers to erase all Cylon virus traces for good. ''Galactica'' is a sitting duck to a massive Cylon fighter force on the outskirts of [[DRADIS]] range while Valerii makes adjustments to the code. She resends the code out on the communication channels to the Cylon fleet. In a reversal of the events suffered by the Colonials in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|holocaust]], every Cylon fighter loses power and weapons. Adama's Vipers have a [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|free-for-all shooting]], destroying every Cylon fighter without a single Colonial casualty ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

=== The Cylon "Interrogator" ===

After ''Galactica'' reunites with battlestar ''Pegasus'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] sends Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne]] to inspect the incarcerated Valerii. He beats her and attempts to sexually assault her while his guards watch. Fortunately for Valerii, both Helo and Tyrol find out about Thorne and what was done to his previous [[Gina|prisoner]] and arrive in time to stop him. Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process, and both he and Helo are arrested by the ''Pegasus'' guards and taken to Cain's battlestar, where a summary court-martial leaves Agathon and Tyrol pending execution by Admiral Cain.

Commander Adama sends a [[Marines|Marine]] force and his Viper squadrons out and tells to Cain over [[wireless]] that he is getting his men. Valerii and all of the fleet await news on the survival of her "past" and current love as a standoff between the battlestars begins ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Valerii's attempted rape results in a hairline fracture in one of her ribs and minor bruising. Still in shock for the incident, Commander Adama personally appologizes to Valerii that it happened aboard his ship ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). This is also the first time where he refers to Sharon as a 'her', as opposed to as an 'it'.

Valerii is happily reunited with Helo and Tyrol when the two are released after Adama resumes full command of the Fleet, though she is more enthusiastic to see Helo than Tyrol. ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
[[image:Sharonheloephin.jpg|Sharon becomes distressed upon learning from Helo that the Galactica crew is planning on aborting her child.|thumb]]

===Roslin's attempt to abort Valerii's baby===
Weeks later, President Roslin, on her deathbed, recommends that Valerii's fetus be aborted, fearing dire consequences for the Fleet.

On hearing this news, Helo is terrified, but Valerii, having cooperated fully to aid the Fleet to save herself and her child and to show that not all Cylons are dangerous, is enraged. Marines sent to inspect her and later to take her to [[sickbay]] for the procedure are forced to restrain the angry Cylon.

At the last minute (spurred by threats from his virtual [[Number Six]]), it is [[Gaius Baltar]] who learns of an astonishing ability of the fetal blood of Valerii's baby: it destroys cancer cells. Taking a small blood sample, he injects it into the dying Laura Roslin. Moments later, her cancer is "gone", according to Dr. [[Cottle]]. The abortion procedure is cancelled.

The recovering Roslin visits Valerii in her cell and smiles at the sight of Valerii stroking her belly, just as a human female would ([[Epiphanies]]).

=== Future episodes ===

{{spoiltext|According to an [http://www.thefandom.com/Article50.phtml interview] with RDM, Caprica-Sharon's pregnancy storyline will come to a 'conclusion' by the end of season 2. Also, during the early episodes of the second half of season 2, the ''Galactica'' crew will debate whether or not they should force her to have an abortion rather than allow the Cylon's experiment to conclude and possibly pose a threat to them.}}

{{Characters}}

[[Category:A to Z|Valerii, Sharon, (Caprica copy)]]
[[Category:Characters|Valerii, Sharon, (Caprica copy)]]
[[Category:Cylons|Valerii, Sharon, (Caprica copy)]]
[[Category:RDM|Valerii, Sharon, (Caprica copy)]]

Talk:Downloaded/Archive 1

2006-03-02T21:00:29Z

Joemc72: /* Lucy Lawless character's name */

If this episode has been dropped so Resurrection can be split into two, then aren't we still missing an episode? --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 00:06, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:Yes. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:14, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:: I've heard new rumors that this ISN'T the Cylon POV episode; that this episode covers the fate of Galactica-Sharon, but the "totally" Cylon POV episode was another one entirely. There may be hope yet. Besides, I think at the least Lawless has actually filmed scenes for it; I don't know if the one that was scrapped ever went past script phase.

:::RDM says in the downloaded that this '''is''' the cylon POV episode. Plus, theres no time left for one this season, the season finale starts next week. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 17:52, 26 February 2006 (EST)

However, new developments: I got a link to a scan of the February edition of Scifi Magazine, in which they answer questions from the official messageboard: http://pics.livejournal.com/reedfem/pic/0008a1hf ---->I can't tell if Grace Park is being SARCASTIC or if she was serious. (BTW, like 5 of these questions are from me, notably the Blade Runner one, the Geena Davis one, and the "new evil Sharon?" one). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:51, 5 December 2005 (EST)
::For those interested, the full set of scans can be found here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/reedfem/158883.html?page=1 --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 15:34, 5 December 2005 (EST)

Hmm, I'm pretty sure I saw a copy of Simon in the cafe on Caprica. I'm removing the "possibly archival footage" thing. --[[User:Mojorising1985|Mojorising1985]] 23:24, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:They're saying it was a body double on TWOP. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:27, 24 February 2006 (EST)

::It's possible it might have been a different actor. What does TWOP stand for? --[[User:Mojorising1985|Mojorising1985]] 23:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:::http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:35, 24 February 2006 (EST)

This episode was very good. I have one problem with it: Not Enough Leoben Conoy. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:37, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:Yeah, I was suprised we didn't see him on Caprica. I mean, they even had Simon (or at least who I believe is Simon).

:Someone claimed Leoben was on Caprica: where? I did not see him, though I will rewatch it. I will delete this info until it can be confirmed. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:58, 25 February 2006 (EST)

::You're totally right... he wasn't there. Not sure why, but he wasn't. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 01:05, 25 February 2006 (EST)

:::The TWOPers found a body double wearing his miniseries costume [http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9672/cap0118pd.png here]. ([http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3136156&view=findpost&p=4607381 link to post]) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:14, 25 February 2006 (EST)
*He was there. He walked by 6 several times, and was sitting in the cafe. You don't see his face because they couldn't get the actor. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:15, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Blade Runner reference
I about fell off the couch when the cylons were referred to as "skin jobs"--George w chomsky

:Trust me, they know that we know. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:16, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Is it really Apollo in the picture of the Galactica crew that Sharon holds in her appartment? Because it's so small I can't be sure. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 05:30, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Can we get Roslin's "if I wanted to airlock a baby..." comment in the dialogue section? (both for its hilarity and the likelihood of it coming up later) I'd do it myself but I don't have a tape for the exact wording. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 14:09, 25 February 2006 (EST)

:Added that quote. Maybe these two questions should be added as well, but I'd like to know how others think about it: - Why did Roslin eventually decide to have the baby adopted instead of killing it? Why Was Baltar not notified of the baby being kept alive? Roslin never shared her suspicions of Baltar being a Cylon sympathizer. Were Admiral Adama and Col. Tigh even notified of this? --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 16:26, 25 February 2006 (EST)
:Check the Analysis sections: Roslin has no real "evidence" against Baltar, so she's not going to bring her suspicions into the open yet. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:48, 25 February 2006 (EST)
::That's my point, really. Roslin didn't even inform her vice-president. Even if she's doing it because of the presidential elections it wouldn't make sense, because Baltar seems opposed to abortion (and so he could use the accusation of Roslin being a baby killer against her).... --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 06:01, 26 February 2006 (EST)
:::Actually, I think Roslin didn't tell Baltar far more because she suspects he's involved with the Cylons, than because she's worried about the election. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:59, 2 March 2006 (CST)

After viewing the episode I have one serious question, where did they get a "fake" baby to fool Sharon 2 and Helo? A parent would notice if the body wasn't their own child. While a friend of mine suggested body used was resultant of the offscreen abortion from "The Captains Hand", this wouldn't work, as that fetus was only 4 months along, and would have been far less developed, and only 1/3rd the size (approx.) of baby Hera. Is their a master Wax Sculpter somewhere in the fleet?--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

:I don't think there's a canonical answer yet (and there may never be one). Some people have speculated that they use the baby of Hera's new adoptive mother (who mentioned that she had recently lost a child). At any rate, I think at this point they're all guesses (though the [[fumarella leaf]] origami theory hasn't gained much headway recently). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:22, 2 March 2006 (CST)

==Lucy Lawless character's name==
Last episode, she was "D'Anna Biers"; this episode we find out that her Cylon name is "Number Three". In dialog, she actually constantly refers to herself as "Three" "Number Three", etc. (well, they don't actually say "Number" aloud, but still). The scifi.com episode guide credits her for "Downloaded" as "D'Anna" but I think that's just miscommunication/they're easing into calling her "Number Three". Either way, I think we here on the wiki consider her "Number Three" now more because A) it is cooler, B) individual Cylons can have fake human names, but this refers to the individual, not the model. I.e. "Galactica-Three" = D'anna, but other Threes do not. Thoughts?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
: I see you noticed my change. :) My thought on this was that we should refer to the specific character (i.e. the model with Galactica's fleet) as D'anna. ALl others should be Three or Number Three (the single number would bemore preferable). I liked how in the beginning of the episode synopsis she is referred to by her "D'anna" guise, but as soon as we find out her model number, she's referred to by that exclusively. It lets our reader know that THIS was the moment of change. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 14:53, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::Yes, that's what I intended when I wrote it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:55, 2 March 2006 (CST)
:::An excellent plan... [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 15:00, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Site support

2006-03-02T20:55:37Z

Joemc72: /* Revenue */

Talk:Downloaded/Archive 1

2006-01-31T20:01:57Z

Joemc72: wikifying

Lorne Chaim Greene O.C., LL.D. (February 12, 1915 – September 11, 1987) was a Canadian actor best known for two iconic roles on American television.

==Early Life==
Greene was born in Ottawa, Ontario to Russian Jewish immigrants, and began acting while attending Queen's University in Kingston. He gave up on a career in chemical engineering and, upon graduation, found a job as a radio broadcaster for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC). He was assigned as the principal newsreader on the CBC National News. The CBC gave him the nickname "The Voice of Canada"; however, his role in delivering distressing war news in sonorous tones following Canada's entry into World War II in 1939 caused many listeners to call him "The Voice of Doom".

==Bonanza==
The first of his American television roles was as family patriarch Ben Cartwright on the long-running western series [[wikipedia: Bonanza|Bonanza]] (1959–1973), making Greene a household name. He garnered the role after having turned in a highly-regarded performance as Big Brother in a production of Nineteen Eighty-Four for the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS). After the cancellation of Bonanza, he was host for the CBS nature documentary series "Last of the Wild" from 1974 to 1975.

==Battlestar Galactica==
Greene's next best-known role was [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]] (another patriarchal figure) in the science fiction film and series [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Battlestar Galactica]] (1978–1979) and [[Galactica 1980]] (1980). The part of leader of the surviving remnant of humanity seemed particularly well suited to Greene; he carried the role with a gravitas not often found in television acting.

==Other Achievements==
In 1964, Greene had a Number One single on the music charts with his hit ballad, "Ringo." He was also known as the host and narrator of the nature series, Lorne Greene's New Wilderness. He also appeared in the HBO mockumentary The Canadian Conspiracy, about the supposed subversion of the United States by Canadian-born media personalities. For nearly a decade, Greene co-hosted the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade on NBC. He is also fondly remembered as the founder of Toronto's Academy of Radio Arts which had been founded as the Lorne Greene School of Broadcasting. He was also the commercial spokesman for ''Alpo'' dog food.

He was made an Officer of the Order of Canada on October 28, 1969 "For services to the Performing Arts and to the community." He was the 1987 recipient of the Earle Grey Award for Lifetime Achievement at the Canadian Gemini Awards.

==Death==
Greene died in 1987 in Santa Monica, California of pneumonia and was interred at Hillside Memorial Park Cemetery, Culver City, California. Only weeks before his death, he had been signed to appear in a revival of Bonanza.

He was married twice, to Rita Hands (1938–1960, divorced) and to Nancy Deale (1961–1987, Greene's death). He has two children by Rita Hands, Belinda Susan Bennet (née Greene) and Charles Greene, and one child by Nancy Deale, Gillian Greene.