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List of terms (RDM)

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This is a listing of terms in [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the Re-imagined Series]]. For terms used in [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the Original Series]], see [[List of terms (TOS)]].

==Acronyms==

*AAU: Anti-aircraft Unit, a weapon emplacement used to destroy aerial units ([[Fragged]])
*[[BSG]]: Battlestar Group ([[Water]])
*[[CAG]]: Commander Air Group, i.e. the senior pilot
*[[Combat Air Patrol|CAP]]: Combat Air Patrol
*CBDR: Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range, i.e. a collision course ("[[Final Cut]]", "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")
*[[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|CF]]: Colonial Fleet ([[Final Cut]])
*[[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|CFR]]: Colonial Fleet Reserve ([[Final Cut]])
*[[CIC]]: Combat Information Center
*[[Marines|CMC]]: Colonial Marine Corps ([[Final Cut]])
*[[Marines|CMCR]]: Colonial Marine Corps Reserve ([[Final Cut]])
*CMO: Chief Medical Officer
*[[CNP]]: Command Navigation Program. Central computer program used on Colonial Fleet vessels ([[Miniseries]])
*CO: Commanding Officer
*DC: Damage Control
*[[DRADIS]]: "'''D'''irection, '''Ra'''nge, and '''D'''istance". Colonial equivalent of radar.
*[[ECO]]: Electronic Countermeasures Officer
*EMI: Electro-Magnetic Interference; such interference was thrown off by binary stars and interferes with [[DRADIS]] ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*[[EMP]]: Electro-Magnetic Pulse; typically accompanies a nuclear explosion
*[[FTL]]: Faster Than Light
*[[IFF]]: Identification Friend Foe ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*KIA: Killed in Action ([[Sacrifice]])
*[[LSO]]: Landing Signal Officer
*[[OOD]]: Officer of the Deck ([[Scattered]])
*RFN: Right Frakking Now ("[[Scattered]]", "[[Valley of Darkness]]")
*[[SAR]]: Search and Rescue ([[Fragged]])
*SU: Solar Unit. Distance measurement similar to "astronomical unit" ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*[[XO]]: Executive Officer

==Military Jargon==

*[[Actual]]: the commanding officer. Used in wireless transmissions
*[[Hands-on Approach|ball]]: visual indicator used in a battlestar's Instrument Landing System ([[Miniseries]], "[[Act of Contrition]]", "[[Final Cut]]", "[[Black Market]]")
*bandit: confirmed hostile contact. Usually in reference to fighter and shuttle sized craft ([[Final Cut]])
*[[bingo fuel]]: having no fuel left or just enough fuel to return to the mothership ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", "[[Scar]]")
*bird farm: Colonial pilot jargon for a [[battlestar]] ([[Final Cut]])
*[[code blue]]: an internal security term used by an officer requesting assistance, after said officer identifies a possible [[Cylon agent]] ("[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", [[Podcast:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
*command authority: the senior person/persons in command of a military unit, such as an [[William Adama|Admiral]] ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", "[[Precipice]]")
*[[conn]]: literally the navigation controls, but also used to refer to command in general ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*"dress and cover": military term for personnel to form an ordered rank-and-file formation during ceremonies. Derived from "dress right" and "cover down" ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])
*ell-tee: phonetic pronounciation of "Lt.", i.e. Lieutenant ("[[Valley of Darkness]]", "[[Fragged]]")
*[[w:fireteam|fire team]]: a small unit of military personnel, typically Marines or soldiers ([[Valley of Darkness]])
*five-'graph order: five paragraph operation order. A basic command tool taught to officer candidates ([[Fragged]])
*genny: power generator. Tyrol asked Cally to "find the genny" to power up the lights on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] ([[Miniseries]])
*klick: one kilometer
*knuckle dragger: inoffensive slang for a mechanic
*[[nugget]]: a pilot in training ([[Act of Contrition]], [[Scar]])
*[[Mark One Eyeball]]: the unaided eye ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", "[[Scar]]")
*no joy: no success in establishing visual contact with the target. Opposite of "tally". Can also mean no success in general ("[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", "[[Maelstrom]]")
*Old Man: slang for the commanding officer
*press: directive to continue the attack ([[Maelstrom]])
*recovery line: the point at which it becomes unlikely that a fighter will be able to safely return to base ([[33]])
*[[rook]]: "rookie" ([[Miniseries]])
*Sierra Alpha: "suspicious activity" ([[Scattered]])
*sitrep: "situation report"
*skids up: "take off" or "launch". Often used by the [[CAG]] to end a mission briefing.
*skosh (ammo): radio code meaning "out of ammunition", analagous to modern-day NATO brevity code "winchester". Skosh is also a real NATO brevity term meaning "Aircraft is out of or unable to employ active radar missiles" ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*sparrow: slang for a Cylon Raider ([[Maelstrom]])
*spinner: engineering component of a battlestar's [[FTL]] drive ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*[[swallow]]: decoy drone deployed by Raptors ([[Miniseries]])
*[[snipe]]: engineer ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*tally: the sighting of a target, non-friendly craft, landmark, or enemy position ("[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", "[[Scattered]]", "[[Maelstrom]]")
*trap: mechanism in a battlestar's landing bay which arrests the forward motion of either a Viper, Raptor or other small craft ([[Final Cut]])
*Two Alpha: designation for an extremely risky and voluntary mission ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]])
*turkey: slang for a Cylon Heavy Raider ([[Maelstrom]])
*unrep: short for Underway Replenishment. In today's navies, the act of resupplying military vessels at sea, usually from dedicated ships while in motion ([[Water]])
*[[weapons free]]: command authorizing disengaging safeties and arming of weapons. Usually given to Viper pilots ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
*weapons hot: synonym for "weapons free" ([[Final Cut]])

==Other Colloquialisms==

*The Beast: nickname for ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*[[Big G]]: nickname for ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
*The Bucket: nickname for ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*bullet-head: slang for a Cylon Centurion ([[Downloaded]])
*clanker: slang for a Cylon Centurion
*chrome job: slang for a Cylon Centurion ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]])
*[[frak]]: Colonial version of "fuck"
*freight monkey: term for crewmen on Colonial freighters ([[Scattered]], [[List of Deleted Scenes|deleted scene]])
*hard six: taking large risks; literally, rolling 2 threes with a pair of dice
*Heavy: used to signify a civilian transport vessel over a certain gross weight/mass, i.e. ''[[Colonial One|Colonial Heavy 798]]''
*skin job: derogatory term for humanoid Cylons. Homage to the movie ''Blade Runner'' ([[Downloaded]])
*stump: derogatory term for a prisoner in a labor camp ([[Bastille Day]])
*[[toaster]]: derogatory term for Cylons in general
*toaster shopping: searching and destroying Cylons ([[Valley of Darkness]])
* "''Go [[Picon Panthers|Panthers]]!''" and "''[[Caprica Buccaneers|C-Bucs]] Rule''": Used as a passphrase between [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Samuel Anders]] ([[Exodus, Part I]])

==''Battlestar Galactica'' Specific Terms==

*[[ambrosia]]: a type of alcoholic beverage
*[[carom]]: term used in conjunction with a [[Dradis Contact]] read; analogous to the term "mark"
*[[chamalla]]: hallucinogenic plant used in religious ceremonies and medical treatments
*[[cubit]]: unit of currency
*[[Dradis]]: Colonial equivalent of radar. Technically an acronym for "'''D'''irection, '''Ra'''nge, and '''D'''istance"
*[[fumarella leaf]]: tobacco or a type of tobacco ([[Water]])
*[[G-4]]: a type of explosive similar to modern C-4 ([[Water]])
*[[krypter]]: Colonial version of "mayday" ([[Miniseries]], "[[Hero]]")
*[[morpha]]: Colonial equivalent of morphine ("[[Valley of Darkness]]", "[[Epiphanies]]")
*[[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]]: popular Colonial ball game
*[[Red Line]]: a point in space behind which an accumulative error creeps into [[FTL]] jump calculations ([[Miniseries]], "[[Pegasus (Extended Version)]]")
*[[stims]]: stimulants or a type of stimulants ("[[33]]", "[[Final Cut]]")
*[[Triad (RDM)|Triad]]: card game similar to Poker
*[[tylium]]: mineral that can be refined to a powerful fuel
*[[wireless]]: Colonial equivalent of radio

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'''Stan Gibson''' is the name of the janitor seen mopping the corridors of [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] at the end of [[Number Three|D'anna Biers']] documentary. He can be heard whistling the Colonial anthem ([[Final Cut]]).

==Notes==
*The familiar tune whistled by Gibson is also known as the main theme of the [[Original Series]].
*Gibson is the patron saint of Battlestar Wiki's [[Mop Boy|administrators]].

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The Twelve Colonies of Man

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:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]].''

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The '''Twelve Colonies of Man'''<ref>In the Original Series, the formal name of the unified worlds is the "Twelve Colonies of ''Man''. Its [[Re-imagined Series]] counterpart is known as the "Twelve Colonies of ''Kobol''".</ref> are located in an unnamed multi-star system within the [[Cyranus (TOS)|Cyranus Galaxy]]. The humans of these worlds have been [[Thousand Yahren War|at war]] with the alien [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]] for 1,000 [[yahren]].

The Twelve Colonies of Man named<ref>Note that four of the colonies, ostensibly similar to the astrological names of "Cancer," "Leo," "Libra" and "Aquarius," are never formally named in Original Series episodes.</ref> in the Original Series included:
*Aeries
*[[#Caprica|Caprica]]
*[[#Gemoni|Gemoni]]
*Picon
*Sagitaria
*Scorpion
*[[#Tauron|Tauron]]
*Virgon

== History ==

=== First Exodus ===
According to the [[Book of the Word]], a religious text of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Kobollian faith]], humanity began on a planet called [[Kobol]]. After an ecological disaster purported to be created by technology, the tribes of humanity fled outward to the stars. Twelve tribes of Man eventually passed through a [[magnetic void]] and settled on a star system of 12 worlds, which would be later known as the Twelve Colonies of Man ([[Lost Planet of the Gods]]). A [[Thirteenth Tribe|thirteenth]] tribe made another exodus to a planet known as [[Earth]].

=== War ===
One thousand [[yahren]] prior to the destruction of the Colonies, the Colonials interfered with the [[Cylon Empire]]'s attacks on an alien species called the [[Hasari]]. This began the [[Thousand Yahren War]], which ended upon the final sneak attack at the [[Battle of Cimtar]], destroying a portion of the fleet led by [[Adar (TOS)|President Adar]] ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

== Colonization ==

Several planets, moons and asteroid colonies throughout the portion of the galaxy familiar to the Colonials boasted small croppings of Colonials. Some who were well aware of the Colonies and the war with the Cylons, others knew nothing of them.

It is unknown if the remaining surviving colonists on the homeworlds re-grouped to fight another day and push back the Cylons, or if the Cylons defeat on the Colonies was total.

== Culture ==

Each of the Twelve Colonies boasted its own race and dialect as to distinguish itself from the others.

=== Holidays ===
[[Armament Day]] - A day for celebrating the [[Colonial Warrior|Colonial Military]] ([[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I (TOS)|Lost Planet of the Gods]]).

== Caprica ==
[[Image:Capricaattack.jpg|thumb|right|Cylon Raiders begin their attack on Caprica ([[Saga of a Star World]]).]]
Caprica was said to be the world that led the technological renaissance among the Twelve Colonies of Man, rediscovering space flight along the way.

''The attack on Caprica in the first episode of the series, was filmed at California's Long Beach City Hall, which had been completed in 1976. The pyramids seen don't actually exist — they were added by special effects to appear behind the city hall building.''

== Gemoni ==

Many of the passengers about the freighter [[Gemini (TOS)|''Gemini'']] are from Gemoni<ref>This is the correct Original Series spelling. The [[Re-imagined Series]] counterpart is spelled "[[Gemenon]]."</ref>. The language of Gemoni is Gemonese (which [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] can translate and [[Cassiopeia]] is able to speak fluently). Gemoni is home to the [[Otori Sect]] ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

== Tauron ==

[[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]] and [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] run across a [[blonde Taurus]] woman. Judging by Starbuck's reaction to the Taurus' question on how he knew she was a Taurus, and from his taste in women, we can infer (despite the claim of recognizing "the dialect") that Tauron women may be known for their beauty ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

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The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

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:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

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Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] leave the planet due to an issue involving their [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|gods]], settling on 12 worlds some distance away ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their namesakes and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes, although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time<ref>Flag matches with Colonies from "Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.</ref> ([[Home, Part II]]).

The early colonies lived (and fought) more as sovereign nations. By the events of the [[Articles of Colonization]], apparently with the advent of the [[Cylon War]], these worlds unify as a federal republic known as the '''Twelve Colonies of Kobol'''.<ref>Note the difference between the name of the Original Series' counterpart, known as the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|the Twelve Colonies of ''Man'']].</ref>

==Star System==

The star system of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol has not been named.<ref>The 2003 [[Video Game]] and the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] name the home system (or galaxy) for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]]. However, since both the Video Game and Original Series material is of a [[Battlestar Wiki:Separate continuity|separate continuity]], its name for the system is questionable for the Re-imagined Series. In an early script of the miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the Original Series concept.</ref>

Caprica has been shown as an Earth-like world, similar to [[Kobol]] and [[New Caprica]]. No other colonies have been shown to-date. The military base seen in Kara Thrace's flashbacks in "[[Act of Contrition]]" may have been part of the facilities on Picon, the location of [[Fleet Headquarters]], but this cannot be substantiated.

No descriptions are available of the other colonies in terms of their celestial type: Minor planet, moon, or major planet. However, [[Elosha]] states in the [[miniseries]] that the tribes settle onto "12 worlds." While the use of "worlds" is ambiguous, the colonies are noted as independent celestial bodies.

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin]] mention leaving the [[Wikipedia:Planetary system|star system]], it is unclear whether all twelve colonies are in this star system. However, Caprica, Virgon, and [[Ragnar]] (based on tactical data gathered by Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] in the miniseries)<ref>As the Cylon attack begins, Commander Adama orders Gaeta to plot all space traffic "in the system, friendly or otherwise", in the [[Miniseries, Night 1]].</ref> are located within the same star system ([[Miniseries]]).

The Colonies had approximately 20 billion inhabitants prior to the Cylon attack ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]])<ref>An early draft miniseries script notes a census count of 12 billion individuals. However, the aired information of Saul Tigh's approximation in ''The Resistance'' should be taken as the correct value.</ref>.

The Colonies maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems<ref>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 Sourced from a January 30, 2005] blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] on Sci-Fi.com.</ref>. Economic activity, such as [[tylium]] mining also occurred outside of the immediate vicinity around the Colonies ([[Hero]]).

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries (constellation)|Aries]]

Aerelon was primarily an agricultural world. It was considered to be the the "food basket" of the Twelve Colonies. Despite this, Aerelon was ranked as one of the poorest members of the Colonies. People from Aerelon are known to have a strong raspy dialect ([[Dirty Hands]]).

"Fifteen people died" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled [["Lest We Forget"]]). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hangar. This photo of Aerelon gives viewers the only visual depiction of life on a colony other than [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in the Re-imagined Series.

===Natives===
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*Specialist [[Socinus]] (deceased)
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

===See also===
* [[Cuffle's Breath Wash]]

 

==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius (constellation)|Aquarius]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
 

==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]].

 

==Caprica==
:''For information on the proposed [[Re-imagined Series]] [[spin-off]], see [[Caprica (series)]].''
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Capricornus|Capricorn]]

Caprica is a large blue-green planet. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]], making Caprica effectively the capital of the Twelve Colonies. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]].

Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The series' opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance]] cell, led by [[Samuel Anders]], operated near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] wears), [[fumarella leaf]], [[Caprican Imperial|Caprican cigars]] and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]." What appear to be internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

According to [[Gaius Baltar]], Caprica was the seat of politics, culture, art, science, and learning. It was also one of the wealthier colonies. ([[Dirty Hands]])

===Natives===
*Admiral [[William Adama]]. (Born in [[Qualai]])
*[[Carolanne Adama]] (deceased)
*Major [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lieutenant [[Zak Adama]] (deceased)
*Captain [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (deceased) (Presumably Caprican - according to background information from Sky One he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications and Media===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''
*[[Caprica 5]]
*[[Channel 7 News]]

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Caprica Buccaneers]]

===See also===
* [[Caprica City]]
* [[Caprica Beach]]
* [[Gup's Point]]
* [[Oasis]]
* [[Pilgrim Bay]]
* [[Qualai]]
* [[Martok Valley]]
* [[Unnamed Cities of Caprica]]

 

==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini (constellation)|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are called Gemenese ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]). They are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Most of the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to the federal laws legalizing abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

Gemenon was one of the poorer colonies ([[Dirty Hands]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
 

==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo (constellation)|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]].

 

==Libris==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libris]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra (constellation)|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed. According to issue 3 of the now-defunct ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]'', the colony's name is "Libris".''

The [[Space Park]], a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

 

==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces (constellation)|Pisces]]

Picon is the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]). The colony came under heavy attack during the early stages of the Cylon attack. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Fleet Headquarters is destroyed; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some "unknown hero" ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] (Although there is some confusion on the matter, see his article)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Picon Panthers]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])

 

==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius (constellation)|Sagittarius]]

Sagittaron<ref>The colony's name, Sagittaron, was originally spelled as "Sagittar'''i'''on" in the [[Miniseries]], but this changed to "Sagittaron" when the regular series began.</ref> endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after [[Articles of Colonization|unified Colonial rule]], [[Tom Zarek]] of the [[S.F.M.]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there, many years before the fall of the Colonies. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittaron penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

The Sagittarons practice a form of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonial religion]] that can trace its roots for at least over 1,000 years. Like the Gemenese, they developed a staunch religious stance but with possibly a greater emphasis on traditional folk practice than scripture. They view medicine as "an abomination, a sin against the gods." This stubbornness has led to a bitter dislike by the other Colonies. During the Second Exodus, the bitterness is reinforced by the fact that many Sagittarons on New Caprica did not help to fight the Cylons, suggesting that the Sagittarons are also pacifists by nature.

The Sagittarons practice a form of [[Wikipedia:herbalism|herbal medicine]], which has lead to derogatory terms such as "stubborn rootsucking jackasses". Dr. [[Michael Robert]] expresses skepticism about its effectiveness, however his statement implies that there has not been any serious research on the subject ([[The Woman King]]).

Sagittaron was also one of the poorer colonies ([[Dirty Hands]]).

Sagittaron had 5,251 natives residing in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] after their colony's destruction ([[33]]).

===Natives===
*Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Tom Zarek]], Vice President
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*Mrs. [[King]] ([[The Woman King]])

 

==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to a [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] [[Scorpian Fleet Shipyards|shipyard]], where battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the Cylon attack. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate.

 

==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

Tauron was reputed to be somewhat of a troublesome colony within the [[Government of the Twelve Colonies|federal system]] of the Colonies, often disobeying directives decided by the colonies and "pushing their luck with the admiralty every chance they got." As a ruse [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] claimed the Taurons were drilling for [[tylium]] ore on a moon that was close to the [[Armistice Line]] ([[Hero]]).

Tauron was also one of the wealthier colonies ([[Dirty Hands]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]] (deceased)

 

==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo (constellation)|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the Cylon attack began, the bulk of the spacewide offensive by the Colonials began "shaping up" over the planet. The battle ostensibly ends with the destruction of battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'' and the death of Admiral [[Nagala]].

Virgon was one of the wealthier colonies ([[Dirty Hands]]).

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The Temple of Hopes

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[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five roof.jpg|thumb|right|The Temple of Five.]]
'''The Temple of Five''' is a special [[temple]] built on the [[Algae planet]] by the [[Thirteenth Tribe]] approximately 4,000 years before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].

Based on [[Laura Roslin]]'s research from the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the five pentagonally-shaped pillars inside the temple were fashioned after the [[five priests]] devoted to "The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken."

[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]
The temple is rediscovered by [[Galen Tyrol]], who mysteriously senses the temple's presence in a nearby mountain side.

The [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] are interested in the location as well, guided by a [[Hybrid]]'s cryptic information on the location of the [[Eye of Jupiter]], an artifact that supposedly points the way to [[Earth]]. One Cylon, a [[Number Three]], believes a correlation exists with the Temple and [[final five|five missing Cylons lost to memory]]. The Colonials note that the Temple is related to five priests in some way, but Roslin's full detailing of their human connection is interrupted by another crisis by [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]].

The Eye's location, its form or purpose is sought by the Colonials and Cylons. Chief Tyrol studies the circular decorations, or mandalas, as well as ancient glyphs located on the central spire.

In fear of the Cylons capturing the site, the Colonials place multiple [[G-4]] packs around the central spire for use in the event of the Temple's imminent compromise ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).

After the algae planet's star begins to nova, Tyrol and other Colonials, watching the event after evacuating the Temple, realize that the dying star's appearance greatly resembles the Temple's mandala, indicating that the Eye of Jupiter is the star itself. The Colonials attempt to destroy the Temple, but a Cylon party has entered the structure moments earlier and removes the detonation caps from the explosives.

The star's light or other effect soon activates the mechanisms inside the Temple. A [[Number Three]] enters a shaft of light created by the Temple. She witnesses a persistent image of five beings she believes are the [[Final Five|missing five Cylons]].

[[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to use the now-inactive vision system after Three's death from the use of the mechanism, but is captured by Chief Tyrol and returned to ''[[Galactica]]''.

As with much in the star system, the Temple of Five is destroyed as the nova shockwave obliterates the surface of the planet. A review of the event by the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's]] leadership determines that the Thirteenth Tribe used the Temple of Five (and its star) as a visual reference to the next waypoint to [[Earth]], the remains of a similar nova in the [[Ionian system]] ([[Rapture]]).

== Notes ==

* According to the [[Podcast:The Eye of Jupiter|episode's podcast]], the interior of the Temple of Five is an abandoned potash silo within the [[w:British Columbia|British Columbia]] railyards. The location was previously used for the large ordnance storage room of [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (where [[Aaron Doral]] is left behind in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]]).

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The Raid

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'''The Raid''' was the title of an abandoned episode concept from season 2.0, which would have featured a Colonial raid on a Cylon space station ([[Podcast:Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The idea for the episode arose from suggestions for an episode from the point of view of the Cylons -- suggestions that later resulted in "[[Downloaded]]" ([[Podcast:Downloaded]]). Parts of the concept for this episode, such as destroying the Cylon's ability to download into new bodies, were later turned into the "[[Resurrection Ship]]" plotline.

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The Hand of God (RDM)

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:''This article details an episode of the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For information on the [[Original Series]] episode of the same name, see [[The Hand of God (TOS)]].''

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| director=[[Jeff Woolnough]]
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| rating= 2.2
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| UK airdate=2005-01-03
| dvd= {{Season 1 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US''' {{Season 1 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''
| population=47,898
| prev=[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down|Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]
| next=[[Colonial Day]]
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| podtitle=The Hand of God
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== Overview ==

: ''With the Fleet short of [[tylium|fuel]], ''[[Galactica]]'' launches a daring attack on a Cylon base.''

== Summary ==
* [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] is almost out of fuel, and ''[[Galactica]]'' has [[Raptor|Raptors]] out scouting nearby star systems to find tylium ore - if they don't, the fleet can make two more [[FTL|jumps]] at best
* Aboard one of the Raptors, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] and [[Crashdown]] find an asteroid filled with years worth of tylium ore — unfortunately, the Cylons found it first and have built a [[Cylon Refinery|refinery base]] on it.
* Faced with hoping to locate tylium elsewhere using their remaining supplies of fuel, or taking the asteroid from the Cylons, [[William Adama|Adama]] opts to attack the asteroid to take the tylium from the Cylons.
* On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] reveals she is being affected by taking [[Chamalla]] extract to [[Elosha]], having prescient visions – her dreams about [[Leoben Conoy]] which occurred immediately before he was found on the ''[[Gemenon Traveler]]'' ([[Flesh and Bone]]), and her hallucination about snakes
* On hearing about the snakes, Elosha reveals that it matches a prophecy in an ancient text written by [[Pythia]] 3,600 years ago concerning the exodus of humankind, which foretells that a dying Leader will lead the remnants of humanity to the promised land of Earth.
* Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] draw up an initial plan to take the asteroid, but Commander Adama decides to turn to [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] to come up with an unconventional idea to accomplish the mission, as she has a penchant for thinking "outside the box", and as machines the Cylons tend to predict more logical plans.
* Plans are drawn up for the attack on the Cylon base on the asteroid, and [[Gaius Baltar]] is involved in preparations when Starbuck and Tigh show him recon photos of the refinery. They cannot simply nuke the base, as the radiation would render the tylium inert, so the best plan would be to destroy the containers holding the volatile unrefined tylium precursor. Tigh and Starbuck want Baltar to point out what it is, even though he has no idea what it looks like. In his mind, Baltar asks his virtual Number Six for help, but she tells him it is in God's hands and He will "tell" Baltar where to point. Baltar picks an object in the base, simply as a wild guess (though he doesn't tell the others that). Baltar is terrified, telling Six he didn't hear God's voice, but she reassures him that "God doesn't always speak in ''words''".
* Apollo is concerned that everyone thinks Starbuck is a better pilot than he is and would be better leading the mission. Starbuck cannot fly in the attack, because in the [[Weight Room|weight room]] Commander Adama demonstrates that her knee has not yet fully recovered from its [[You Can't Go Home Again|injury]]. On the hangar deck, Commander Adama encourages Apollo, telling him he thinks Apollo really can pull off this mission, because he is his son.
* The attack is launched, and [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid|the battle]] commences: civilian mining ships jump in on one side of the Cylon base pretending to be on a survey mission, drawing off some Raiders from the base, while ''Galactica'' jumps in on the other side and launches a squadron of Vipers against it, which are confronted by the base's reserve Raiders. The Raiders sent against the mining ships peel off and advance with the others on ''Galactica''. Everything seems to be going wrong, but then Adama reveals that this was a feint, apparently only he and those directly involved in implementing the plan aware of the real plan.
*A second squadron of Vipers, led by Apollo, launches from inside of the mining ships. While appearing to be merely bait, and dismissed as such by the Cylons, the ships are the real thrust of the attack. With the raiders lured out of position by ''Galactica'', Apollo and his wing have a clear flight to the base.
*Once the Vipers reach the moon, however, things are far from easy: the Cylon base has a formidable anti-air defense system, and the Vipers' missle attack fails as the Cylons are able to jam the missiles' tracking systems.
*In a move of reckless improvisation worthy of Starbuck, Apollo avoids the Cylon defense grid by flying through its tylium mining tunnels to the center of the base, then dropping a pair of explosive charges at the supposed tylium-precursor container.
*Much to Baltar's surprise, his wild guess at which container held the volatile tylium-precursor was correct: as Apollo flies away, the entire base explodes with the force of a 3 kiloton nuclear warhead.
*With their base destroyed, the Cylon Raiders go into a panic and are easy prey for ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Vipers to mop up. All planes return to ''Galactica'' in a moment of celebration. Civilian mining ships will be able to get enough tylium fuel from the asteroid to last the Fleet several years.
*In Baltar's dream world, he expresses his astonishment to Number Six: Baltar "realizes" that the only "logical" explanation is that God truly did guide his hand to the right point on the Cylon base. The formerly atheist Baltar now accepts the possibility that he might truly be an instrument of God...

[[Image:bsg-1-10.jpg|thumb|Adama and staff plan the attack.]]
=== On Caprica: ===
*[[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Valerii]] are hiding-out on a farm on their way to [[Delphi]].
*When Helo offers to prepare a meal, Valerii is uncharacteristically sick, leading them to try and settle down for some sleep.
*They are interrupted by the arrival of a troop of [[Cylon Centurion]]s - lead by another copy of Number Six.
*Forcing a stunned Helo into action - he cannot believe the woman he saw Sharon kill is coming after them - Sharon forces him back on the run.

== Questions ==

* Why did [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] order the fighters to pursue the fleeing [[Cylon Raiders]], instead of securing the area? One possibility for attacking the remaining fighters to prevent them from getting reinforcements from a distant [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]. ''(Although Adama will not have discovered this until later episodes, Raiders have the ability to make a jump ''much'' farther than any Colonial vessel.)''
* How many Vipers does ''Galactica'' actually have? Do they have a contingency plan should the majority (or all) of the Vipers be destroyed? Or are they simply fraked? (See [[Galactica (RDM)#Running Tallies|this article for a running tally by episode to-date]])
* Are the Colonials able to build ships, such as [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], from scratch? Or can they take destroyed hulks and rebuild off them? (Answer: Vipers are frequently salvaged, but only to a point. [[Flight of the Phoenix|Yes, they can build from scratch]], although the result [[Blackbird|may not be a Viper]]. However, [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] is able to build Vipers from scratch, when she has the raw materials (metal ore, etc) to do so. ([[Scar]]))
* How exactly can a 3,600 year old text foretell the exodus of humanity, and the leadership of [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]]? ([[Sacred Scrolls|Answer]].)
* Does someone have time on their hands to build miniatures of the ''new'' Cylon Raiders for the [[Situation Room]]!?
* If [[Gaius Baltar]] read the Sacred Scrolls in "... the 6th grade", why, in spite of being the former Secretary of Education, doesn't [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] know who [[Pythia]] is? Possibly it is because Gaius Baltar is a genius and he was reading very advanced material in the 6th grade, and Laura Roslin wasn't very religious prior to becoming president.
**Answer: According to RDM, the Sacred Scrolls are much like modern Earth religions, i.e. the vast majority of the general populace often knows many often-quoted phrases and the general philosophy of a religion, but that doesn't mean every person is a theology scholar. Also, like Earth different sections of the Twelve Colonies are more religious than others. [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], for example, is quite secular in regards to religion, while [[Gemenon]] is religiously fundamentalist, believing in the literal truth of the Sacred Scrolls.
*Is Baltar truly an instrument of "God"?

== Analysis ==
*The introduction of the prophesy of [[Pythia]] further link the series' mythology to the ancient Greece of our own planet. In Greek mythology, the Pythia was the priestess at Apollo's oracle in Delphi. The name itself comes from Python, the dragon slain by Apollo. The Pythia operated as a vehicle for Apollo's will to be known to those on earth. A believer would make a sacrifice and present a question to a priest. The priest would then present the question to the Pythia. The Pythia sat on a bronze tripod in the adytum, or inner chamber of Apollo's temple. In this sacred chamber the spirit of Apollo overcame the Pythia and inspired the prophecy.
**Pythia in ancient Greece was the Oracle of Delphi – and on Caprica, Helo and Sharon are making for the religious center of [[Delphi]].
*Following his seeking God’s forgiveness ([[33]]) and his repentance of his sins ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), Baltar finally becomes God’s "instrument". He literally becomes the hand of God referenced in the episode title: he is the one that points out the target that will destroy the Cylon base.
*Over the last few weeks, we’ve seen Baltar move through the five emotional states that tend to guide our reactions to a new "truth" we’d rather not face:
**Denial (dismissing the "disappearance" of the ''Olympic Carrier'' after the call from Dr. Amorak as anything more than a serendipitous event - [[33]])
**Anger (his outright hostility towards Six as she continues to "bore" him with talk of God - [[Six Degrees of Separation]])
**Bargaining (praying to God for his safety in return for his obedience - [[Six Degrees of Separation]])
**Depression (leaving the Situation Room without having "heard" God’s voice & facing up to the fact that he had to – again - lie)
**Acceptance his messianic response to Six’s coaxing at the end of this episode.
*Did the Cylons ''allow'' the Colonials to find an asteroid filled with fuel?
**Executive producer [[Ron Moore]] has stated numerous times that the Cylons are not letting the Fleet escape, but are actively trying to destroy it.

== Notes ==
*Nine days have passed since the events of "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]".
*The celtic victory music played at the end of the episode after the Cylon base is destroyed is titled "Wander My Friends", written and composed by [[Bear McCreary]]. The lyrics and translation for the song given in the liner notes for the Season 1 soundtrack are reposted [[Soundtrack (Season 1)#Lyrics and Translations|on this page]], with permission.
*Tylium ore is used to power FTL systems, but probably not through any fissionable reaction.
*Tylium has an energy density of about 5e14 J/kg, comparable to that of nuclear fusion.
*Cylon technology is clearly a Colonial off-shoot, as one would expect: from the use of tylium down to the shape of doorways.
*William Adama’s father was Joseph Adama.
*Sharon Valerii on Caprica may well be pregnant.
*Lt. Gaeta makes mention in passing conversation to Apollo that the Colonials actually know where the [[Cylon homeworld]] is, or at least its rough location ("they'd build a refinery this far from their homeworld?" "Why not? They need fuel out here just as much as we do").
*There is an ancient text some 3,600 years old foretelling humanity’s flight – and apparently, Roslin’s leadership.
*Mark II Vipers can carry both missiles and munitions pods (bombs).
*The Mark VII Vipers all appear to be out of commission - even Apollo is now regularly flying a Mk II.
*Based on the conversation between Commander Adama and Starbuck in the gym, it appears that Mark II Viper thruster pedals use a mechanical flight control system rather than a "fly-by-wire" linkage. This fits the concept of minimizing the use of computers mentioned in the [[Miniseries]].
*The religious overtones to the human / Cylon struggle are becoming more pronounced, with a now-promised confrontation due at the "home of the Gods".
*The Fleet has a tylium refinery ship among its number.
*With the capture of the tylium mining facilities on the asteroid, the Colonials should be able to gather enough tylium to keep them going for about 2 years – assuming they can shift that much tylium to their refinery ship before the Cylons return.
*A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's Caprica house at the end of the episode. Single track, mounted on apparently wooden (as opposed to conrete sleepers), on a bed of gravel, without any form of electrifcation (3rd rail or overhead wires).
*The title of this episode was also that of the 21st episode of the original series. Aside from both Adamas launching an offensive strike against Cylon forces, there is little comparison between the two episodes. However this is a coincidence; the writers weren't aware of this Original Series episode.
*[[Ronald D. Moore]] says in his podcast that [[Lee Adama]]'s flight through the tunnel is an homage to ''[[wikipedia:Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope|Star Wars]]''.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Lee Adama sits with a battered Viper before the mission. He is joined by his father, who after a short conversation, Adama hands Lee a lighter:''
:'''Commander Adama:''' It belonged to your grandfather. My mother bought it for him when he was in law school. See the engraving on it?
:'''Lee Adama:''' (reading the name "Joseph Adama") Yes I...can barely make it out...
:'''Commander Adama:''' He was a better father than I was. Dad used to carry that into court cases. He claimed he never lost unless he left it behind.
:'''Lee Adama:''' So you’re worried too.
:'''Commander Adama:''' About what?
:'''Lee Adama:''' Sometimes it feels like the whole ship thinks...Starbuck...would do better.
:'''Commander Adama:''' I don’t.
:'''Lee Adama:''' How can you be so sure?
:'''Commander Adama:''' Because you’re my son.

*''Commander Adama asks Starbuck to assist with developing a plan to attack the refinery:''
:'''Commander Adama:''' Captain Adama and Colonel Tigh are working on the plan now and I need some serious "out-of -the-box" thinking.
:'''Starbuck:''' "Out-of-the-box" is where I live.

*''During the briefing with Apollo, Tigh, Starbuck, Adama, and Roslin.''
:'''Commander Adama:''' Sometimes, you have to roll the hard six.

== Official Statements ==

*''[[Katee Sackhoff]] discusses her dislike for Viper scenes, and why she wanted the writers to "break [her] knee again, please":''

: I despise [the Viper cockpit scenes]. It is very uncomfortable in that tight space. All of a sudden, you’re claustrophobic, you’re hot and sweaty, and then you’re cold, you have to pee, you need water, but you can’t drink it because you’ll have to pee again… You have these rubber space suits and you get stuck to the seat. Gross! Then there’s wind in your face and you are falling asleep because it is so hot. You are trying to memorise all this dialogue – 50 pages – all this technical mumbo jumbo. You’re like, ‘Break my knee again, please.’ That was the best thing that happened to me in season one.<ref>{{cite_news|first=Cullen|last=Ian M.|url=http://scifipulse.net/battlestarnews/Sackhoff_Vipers.html|title=Sackhoff Admits To Hating The Viper Scenes|publisher=SciFi Pulse|page=|date=30 January 2007|accessdate=9 February 2007|language=}}</ref>

== Guest stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer Anastasia Dualla
*[[Paul Campbell]] as Billy Keikeya
*[[Sam Witwer]] as Lt. Crashdown
*[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
*[[Cailin Stadnyk]] as Ensign [[Davis]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]
*[[Lucianna Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
*[[Terry Chen]] as [[Perry|"Chuckles" Perry]]
*[[Christina Schild]] as [[Playa Palacios]]
*[[Biski Gugushe]] as [[Sekou Hamilton]]
*[[Paul Cummings]] as [[Fireball]]
*[[Camille Sullivan]] as [[Stepchild]]

== References ==

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The Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game

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''This page relates to heavy drinking (both of characters and wiki contributors) as a result of gaffes from the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. 
''For a drinking game related to the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see External links below.'' 
''Finally, for information that will improve gnashing of your teeth or suicidal tendencies, please watch "[[Galactica 1980]]."'' 

[[Image:Tighsdrinking.jpg|right|300px|Bottoms up, Colonel.]]

Other TV shows have had [[Wikipedia:Drinking game|drinking games]] adapted from the venerable "Hi, Bob!" game, among others. The new "[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]" series has sadly failed to stop ''Battlestar Wiki's'' contributors from doing the same after noticing repeated plot points, parallels to current events, characterizations, and other silliness.

You might consider creating your own ''Cylon Shooters'' for use in the game by [[Cylon Shooter|following the recipe]] given by actors [[Grace Park]] and [[Tahmoh Penikett]].

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=='''''Take a drink every time...'''''==

===Someone talks to an "imaginary friend"...===
* [[Gaius Baltar]], in almost every episode with the [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Number Six]]
* [[Caprica-Six]], with her virtual ''Gaius Baltar'' ("[[Downloaded]]," "[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]")
* [[Lee Adama]], with his lost fiancee, [[Gianne]] ([[Black Market]])
* [[Laura Roslin]] ("[[Flesh and Bone]]","[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]")
* [[Number Three]] ("[[Hero]]", "[[Rapture]]")
* [[William Adama]] to his late wife, [[Carolanne Adama]] ([[A Day In The Life]])
* [[Dodona Selloi]] to the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|The Lords of Kobol]] and [[God]] ([[Exodus, Part I]])

=== ...Colonel Saul Tigh... ===
[[Image:Saulellen.jpg|thumb|right|"Consumption of [certain] beverages...may cause health problems."]]
*...drinks alcohol ([[Miniseries]], [[Fragged]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], etc.).
*...resolves to quit drinking.
*...is drunk on duty ([[Bastille Day]], [[Fragged]]).
*...questions Adama's orders.
*...complains about not wanting his own command ([[Scattered]]).
*...berates someone else for a flaw he has as well ([[Miniseries]]).
*...states or asks the obvious for purposes of exposition ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
*...orders someone report "to the brig" ([[Miniseries]], ''others'').
*...asks about shooting people for throwing coffee ([[Resistance_(episode)|Resistance]])
*...gives a remarkably stupid order to the crew.
*''Take a bonus drink if...''
**...a loss of life is involved ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]], [[Exodus, Part II]]).
**...a beloved character needlessly suffers for it ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).
**...[[Lee Adama]] is involved with the order ([[Fragged]]).
**...the Fleet tells him, collectively, to [[frak]] off ([[Fragged]]).
**...Commander Adama has to repair Tigh's frak-ups.
**...Tigh undermines his own reputation as a result ([[Miniseries]], [[Fragged]], [[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

=== ...Ellen Tigh... ===
*...makes sexual advances on someone other than Colonel Tigh ([[Colonial Day]], [[Sacrifice]], [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).
*...brokers for power ([[Colonial Day]]).
*...manipulates Colonel Tigh ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).
*...Fraks someone other than Colonel Tigh (A copy of Cavil, [[Occupation]])
*...Dies by Poison. ([[Exodus, Part II]])

=== ...Kara Thrace... ===
*...demonstrates yet another talent.
**Card Shark: "And the girl wins again! Another round?" ([[Water]])
**Sniper: "With all due respect, sir, I am the best shot in or out of the cockpit." ([[Bastille Day]])
**Painter: "You paint these, Kara? / Yeah." ([[Valley of Darkness]])
**Pro-level Pyramid Player: "I was scouted for the pros. Bum knee took me out of contention." ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])
**Poetry Buff: "You wouldn't know Caprican Poetry if it was hot-sidded across your helmet." / "'From the darkness you must fall - Failed and weak, to darkness all.' -[[Kataris]], not one of his better works" ([[Final Cut]])
*...steps out of the box to...
**...mate two Vipers nose-to-nose in combat ([[Miniseries]]).
**...jury-rig an enemy fighter ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).
**...uses an improvised weapon to kill or maim a Cylon ([[Flesh and Bone]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[The Farm]], [[Occupation]]).
**...outwit the Cylons via a clever plan of attack ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
***''Take a bonus drink if this is because she knows the Cylons would never overlook such an obvious blind spot ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).''
*...drinks as heavily as Col. Tigh ([[Scar]], [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*...assaults someone who outranks her ([[Miniseries]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).
*...is mistaken for a Cylon and nearly killed because of it ([[You Can't Go Home Again]], [[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]], [[Home, Part I]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
*...hops into bed on a barely-considered whim.
**Gaius Baltar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])
**Samuel Anders ([[The Farm]])
**Lee Adama ([[Scar]])
*...starts to unduly fawn over someone mere days after meeting them.
**Samuel Anders ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])
**Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|Part II]])
*...Taunts someone (Take your pick of episodes)

===...Lee Adama... ===
*...uses one of his dad's phrases ("Be careful out there", "roll the hard six")
*...completely oversteps his authority and/or commits mutiny
*...acts self-righteous or angsty towards his dad ([[Miniseries]], [[Bastille Day]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
*...has a near-death experience.
**Nearly killed by [[Cylon Raiders]] ([[Miniseries]], "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]")
**Almost left for dead ([[Miniseries]], "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]")
**Almost killed by a criminal mob or elements thereof ("[[Bastille Day]],", "[[Home, Part II]]," "[[Black Market]]").
**Almost killed by [[Cylon Centurion]]s ("[[Valley of Darkness]]," "[[Home, Part I]]")
**Almost killed by gangsters. ([[Black Market]])
*...shows angst about anything...anything at all ('''''Just pick a frakking episode!''''')
*...is called a fatass ([[Occupation]]).

===...Kara Thrace and Lee Adama...===
*...stare at each other strangely for non-work-related reasons.
*...exchange blows
*...kiss
**''Take a bonus drink if they both kiss '''''and''''' exchange blows.''
*...[[frak]] ([[Unfinished Business]])

===...Bill Adama...===
*...uses his Glare of Death.
**''Bonus drink if Cottle deflects it with his own Scowl of Intense Disapproval'' ([[The Captain's Hand]]).
*...stomps down ''Galactica'''s hallways.
*...waxes philosophically.
*...brings up his [[Joseph Adama|lawyer father]].
*...says either "as of this moment" or "moments ago" ([[Miniseries]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Epiphanies]])
*...expresses sympathy for the Cylons.
*...expresses an enthusiastic attitude toward killing Cylons.
**''Take a bonus drink if it is by trying kill a Cylon himself''
***''Finish the drink completely if he tries to kill the same Cylon he expressed sympathy for in a previous episode.''
*...agrees with, argues with, deposes, or kisses President Roslin.
*...appears on screen sporting a [[Adamastache|moustache]].
**''Take a bonus drink when you see him finally shave that frakking thing off''
*...does something "captainly," like crushing walnuts in his hand or building a model ship.
*...uses military action to resolve a situation.
*...makes a recklessly stupid command decision.
**Counterattacking the Cylons ([[Miniseries]])
**Wasting half the fleet's [[tylium|fuel]] looking for Starbuck ([[You Can't Go Home Again]])
**Arresting President Roslin ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
**Sending Marines to rescue Helo and the Chief from ''Pegasus'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])
**Arranging for the assassination of Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
**Jumping ''Galactica'' into the atmosphere of New Caprica ([[Exodus, Part II]])
**''Bonus drinks if a woman tries to reason with Adama.''
:*Roslin tells Adama, "The war is over, we lost", and "We need to start having babies" ([[Miniseries]])
:*Dualla tells Adama, "It's time to put the fleet back together" ([[Home, Part I]])
:*Roslin tells Adama, "[[Helena Cain|She]] is dangerous, and the only thing that you can do is hit her before she hits you," ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
:*Sharon tells Adama, "You said you never asked yourself why you deserve to survive." ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
::*''Finish your drink completely when, not if, Adama ultimately relents, echoing that woman's words to his officer(s).''
*...Rolls a "Hard Six"

=== ...Helo acts like an idiot... ===
*...fails to notice his robot girlfriend's glowing spine. ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
*...fails to realize his inexplicably nauseous robot girlfriend is pregnant ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).
*...shoots his pregnant robot girlfriend ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).
*...lets his pregnant robot girlfriend jack Starbuck's spaceship ([[Scattered]]).
*...is surprised that everyone wants to shoot or throw his pregnant robot girlfriend out an airlock ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Home, Part I]]).
*...fails to anticipate territory issues with his pregnant robot girlfriend's copy's former boyfriend ([[Home, Part II]]).
*...saves the Cylons ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).
*...trades radiation badges with Kat, ultimately leading to her death ([[The Passage]]).
*...punches Col. Tigh right in the face ([[The Woman King]]).
*...tries to admit to [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] that he committed treason, but is denied (bonus scene, [[The Woman King]])

=== ...Chief Tyrol acts like a moron... ===
*...fails to notice his robot girlfriend's glowing spine. (off-screen)
*...makes out with a lieutenant against regulations ([[Litmus]]).
*...lies about making out with his robot girlfriend ([[Litmus]]).
*...lies when he says he never loved his robot girlfriend.
*...chews out a member of his crew who dare to show concern about his feelings about his robot girlfriend - or anything else, for that matter ([[Miniseries]], [[Flight of the Phoenix]]).
*...hits Cally after waking from a suicidal nightmare ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).
*...is proven to be an expert distiller ([[Litmus]], [[Flight of the Phoenix]], [[Pegasus_(episode)|Pegasus]]).
*...glares at or curses Colonel Tigh.
**...''or anyone else for that matter'' ("If I scratched everyone who popped off at the chief the cooks could be flying the planes" - Lee Adama, "[[Final Cut]]")
* ...stumbles around in a religious trance instead of harvesting the algae so people can EAT! ([[The Eye of Jupiter]])

=== ...Dr. Cottle disrespects authority... ===
*...disregards President Roslin's office ([[Act of Contrition]])
*...undermines Adama's authority ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[The_Captain's_Hand|The Captain's Hand]])
*...rebuffs a question from Col. Tigh with profanity ([[Fragged]])
*...ridicules Col. Tigh's command decisions ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])
*...debates the notion of "do no harm" with [[Number Three]] ([[Precipice]])

===...Zarek makes a gambit for power...===
*...but loses.
**[[Colonial Day]]
**[[Home, Part I]]
**[[Home, Part II]]
*...and succeeds.
**[[Bastille Day]]
**[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
**[[Collaborators]]

=== ...a copy of [[Number Six]] dies... ===
*Nuked ([[Miniseries]], [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
**Take another drink if the nuke scene is repeated again in flashback ([[33]], [[Downloaded]], [[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]])
*Shot ([[33]], [[Precipice]])
**Take a bonus drink if she is shot by a fellow Cylon.
*Impaled ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Extinguished ([[The Farm]])
*Bombed ([[Occupation]])
*Choked ([[Torn]])
*Infected ([[Torn]])
*Suffocated ([[A Measure of Salvation]])

=== ...a copy of Number Six becomes violent or threatens violence... ===
*Breaks a baby's neck ([[Miniseries]] as Caprica-Six)
*Screams in Baltar's face ([[Bastille Day]] as Baltar's internal Six)
*Beats the crap out of Caprica-Valerii ([[Litmus]] as [[Number Six#Caprican Overseer Copies|an overseer]])
*Threatens live-donor open heart surgery on Baltar ("As far as I'm concerned, you can have any woman you want. But always remember, I have your heart <nowiki>[...]</nowiki> I can always rip it out of your chest if I have to.") ([[Colonial Day]] as Baltar's internal Six)
*Chokes Baltar ([[Litmus]] as Baltar's internal Six)
*Smashes Baltar's face into a mirror ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]] as Baltar's internal Six)
*Kicks the hell out of Starbuck ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Tackles Baltar ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]] as [[Gina]])
*Breaks a guard's neck ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] as Gina)
*Shoots Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] as Gina)
*Chokes Baltar with his tie ([[Epiphanies]])
*Shoves Baltar and bites his lip ([[Epiphanies]] as Gina)
*Cuts her own face ("[[Downloaded]]" as [[Caprica-Six]])
*Bashes [[Number Three]]'s head in with a rock ("[[Downloaded]]" as [[Caprica-Six]])
*Breaks [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]'s neck ([[Rapture]]).
[[Image:Cloud9Destroyed.jpg|thumb|right|Kablooey!]]
''Take two bonus drinks if she goes nuclear.''
*Suicide-bombs ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' ("[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" as Gina)

=== ...[[Cylon-Related Hallucinations#Baltar's Internal Six|Baltar's internal Six]] appears at an inopportune moment... ===
''Take a bonus drink if...''
*...Baltar tries to subtly talk to both Six and real people at the same time (e.g. [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]: "I'm not your plaything!").
**''Take another drink if both Six and the "real" person or people Baltar is talking to respond the same way (e.g. "Plaything?").''
*...Six tries to engage Baltar in either sex or foreplay.
**''Finish your drink if Six '''does''' engage Baltar in sex or foreplay''
*...Baltar makes awkward attempts at excusing his odd behavior.
*...others comment on Baltar's sanity or lack thereof.
*...Six appears while he's in the bathroom.
*...Six appears after he's had sex with another woman.
*...Six appears naked.

=== ...someone kills a baby or threatens to do so. ===
*Caprica-Six ([[Miniseries]])
*Commander [[William Adama|Adama]], in [[Gaius Baltar]]'s dream on [[Kobol]] ([[Scattered]])
*Laura Roslin ([[Downloaded]], [[Epiphanies]])
*Kara Thrace ([[Occupation]])
*Boomer ([[Rapture]])

=== ...anyone smokes (literally or figuratively)... ===
[[Image:Adama_laura_toke.jpg|thumb|right|[[New Caprican loco weed|Smokin']], smokin', I feel alright, mamma, I'm not jokin, yeah.]]
*Gaius Baltar
*Dr. Cottle
*Kara Thrace
*Specialist [[Prosna]]
*Lee Adama
*[[Socinus]] ([[Scattered]])
*Laura Roslin ([[Unfinished Business]])
*Bill Adama ([[Unfinished Business]])
*Saul Tigh
*Sam Anders

=== ...any male character sticks it in a [[toaster]]... ===
*Helo ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
*Gaius Baltar ([[Miniseries]], [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
*Galen Tyrol ([[Miniseries]], [[Litmus]])
*A large number of men from battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus']]'' crew ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])
*[[Alastair Thorne]]

=== ...People get away with breaking the rules... ===
*Tyrol gets away with his hidden affair with Boomer, even when it leads to a security flaw that allows a Cylon suicide bomber to attack the ship ([[Litmus]])
*Starbuck gets away with stealing and ultimately losing ''Galactica'''s captured Cylon Raider. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])
*Boomer gets away with trying to kill herself and ends up on a vitally important mission ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Baltar gets away with murdering [[Crashdown]] ([[Fragged]])
*Apollo gets away with pulling a gun on Tigh ([[Scattered]]) and helping Roslin escape ([[Home, Part II]])
*Helo gets away with pulling a gun on Apollo ([[Home, Part I]])
*President Roslin ultimately gets away with subverting the boundary between military and civilian government ([[Home, Part II]]).
*Commander Adama ultimately gets away with subverting the boundary between military and civilian government ([[Litmus]], [[Home, Part II]]).
*[[Kat]] gets away with getting high on drugs during flight (reinstated in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")
*Starbuck gets away with (and gets promoted for) stealing the Blackbird to fly a photo recon mission that her CAG specifically took her off of ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
*Lee Adama gets away with law enforcement by summary execution ([[Black Market]])
*Lee gets away with making repeated visits to a prostitute ([[Black Market]])
*Kat gets away with punching Starbuck in the mouth ([[Scar]])
*Lee gets away with an affair with Dee, a fellow active duty soldier ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*Tyrol gets away with beating the crap out of someone with nothing more than a stern talking to from a [[Cavil|priest]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]])
*[[The Circle]] gets away with summarily executing 14 people ([[Collaborators]])
*[[Helo]] is not investigated after he asphyxiates the military assets, infected Cylons, that were going to be used to eliminate the Cylons as a threat to humanity ([[A Measure of Salvation]])
*[[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] merely gets punched for trying to kill [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] with a fountain pen ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).

===Miscellaneous===
*...a prayer or speech includes or ends with "So Say We All!"
::If "So Say We All!" is said once, then repeated by a group, only one drink is required for that pair of utterances.
*...[[God]], one of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Gods]], or a specific [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|God]] is referenced. (i.e. "[[Great Mother of Artemis]]!" or "Procreation is one of God's commandments.")
*...Roslin throws (or threatens to throw) a Cylon out the airlock.
*...Roslin uses her Stare of You-Gotta-Be-Frakking-Kidding-Me.
*...[[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dee]] stare at each other like two teenagers but never actually do anything.
*...Gaeta says, "Yes, sir." (''On this one, alone, most of us would need a "commercial break"'' after one episode...)
*...Apollo's modesty is thwarted by the smallest towel in the fleet.
*...[[Jammer]] says something that hints that he may be a Cylon.
*...Roslin comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of the Fleet's travails.
*...Elosha comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Roslin's travails.
*...Six comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Baltar's travails.
*...Leoben comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Starbuck's travails.
*...A Cylon says "By your command".
*...Someone gets promoted (Just ''pick an episode''.)
**Take two drinks if someone is promoted twice in one episode (Major Lee Adama to Commander Lee Adama in "[[The Captain's Hand]]").
*...[[CIC]] bursts into applause. ([[Miniseries]], [[Water]], [[You Can't Go Home Again]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|Hand of God]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[The Farm]], [[Home, Part I]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
**Bonus drink if the applause precedes an assassination attempt ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
*...A never-before-seen guest star turns out to be a Cylon
**[[Simon]] ([[The Farm]])
**[[Number Three]] / D'anna Biers ([[Final Cut]])
**[[Cavil]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]], [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
*...a Cylon refers to not seeing someone at a Cylon meeting or party ([[Cylon-Related_Hallucinations#Baltar's_Internal_Six|Baltar's Internal Six]] in [[Miniseries]], [[Cavil]] in [[Lay_Down_Your_Burdens,_Part_I|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]])
*...Every time the [[Space Park]] appears in a background shot of [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]].
::Everyone must stand and yell "Space Park!" after drinking.
:::If the Space Park and [[Grace Park]] appear in the same episode, everyone must go to a park once the show is over.

===Production===
[[Image:Combatlanding2.jpg|thumb|200px|And they land the same way EVERY TIME! That's skill, I tell ya.]]
*...Michael Rymer's camera makes a full 360° revolution.
**''In this case, everyone in the room must spin around until the scene is over.''
*...Michael Rymer cross-cuts between two nearly identical scenes. ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
**''In this case, link arms with someone else and take a shot together.''
*...the producers re-use stock special effects footage.
**...when you spot the "USS Enterprise" lurking in the Fleet.
**...an establishing shot of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' from the side, surrounded by the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
**...an establishing shot of ''Galactica'' from the top.
**...an establishing shot of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' from the side.
**...the civilian fleet jump from the [[Miniseries]].
**...the Viper Launch sequence.
**...the Viper [[Combat landing|Combat Landing]] sequence. (numerous episodes)
**...''Take another drink if the the stock footage leads to logic gaps.''

===Music===
*...Bear McCreary re-uses stock musical cues.
**The Number Six/Cylon [[Wikipedia:leitmotif|leitmotif]] ("ding..ding-ding..ding, ding...ding-ding...ding...")
**"Bloodshed" (the Adama death theme from [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]) in [[The Farm]], [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] and [[Exodus, Part II]]
**"Prelude to War" in the [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] battle sequence
**The "Destiny/Baltar's Dream" leitmotif
**Starbuck's leitmotif ("Starbuck on the Red Moon")
*...Bear McCreary finds some excuse to use the Stu Phillips theme from the original series ("Colonial Anthem").
**[[Miniseries]] (Twice)
**[[Final Cut]]
*...Bear McCreary re-uses music from Richard Gibbs' [[Miniseries]] soundtrack.
*...Bear McCreary throws in some new musical influences out of nowhere.
**Hindu prayer - UK/Season Two opening
**Celtic folk song - "Wander My Friends" / "A Good Lighter" / "Reuniting the Fleet"
**Italian pseudo-opera - "Battlestar Operatica"
**Elevator music - "Battlestar Muzaktica"
**Heavy metal - "Standing in the Mud" / "Black Market"
**Orchestral piece - "The Shape of Things to Come" / "Passacaglia" / "Allegro" / "A Promise to Return"
**Electric Violin / Thundering Bass - "Destiny" / "Baltar's Dream"
**Classical Violin - "Roslin and Adama" / "Roslin Confesses"
**Piano - "Metamorphosis Five" / "One Year Later"
**Guitar solo - "Pegasus" / "Something Dark is Coming"

==Official Statements==

From a ''Rolling Stone'' September 2006 Magazine interview of [[Katee Sackhoff]]

:"Four years ago, I had older men and twelve-year-olds coming up to me," she says. "Now I get sorority girls telling me, 'We watch the show and drink every time you say "frak," hit someone or sleep with someone.' And I'm thinking, 'This is why I didn't go to college.'"

==External links==
* A drinking game for the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] can be found [http://www.ringthis.com/tv_drinking_games/batlstar.htm here].

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Turkey

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Hawke: New page: The term '''turkey''' is a slang nickname used by the Colonial military and refers to a Cylon Heavy Raider. Captain Kara Thrace used the term to relay to [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galac...

The term '''turkey''' is a slang nickname used by the Colonial military and refers to a [[Cylon Heavy Raider]].

Captain [[Kara Thrace]] used the term to relay to [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica's'']] [[CIC]] and to her fellow pilots that she had sighted and was engaging one.([[Maelstrom]]).

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The Fleet (TRS)

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Hawke: category alphabetizing

:''This article involves the caravan of [[FTL|faster-than-light]]-capable civilian ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on its [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight]] counterpart in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see [[The Fleet (TOS)]]. For information on the military ships that protected the Twelve Colonies before their demise, see [[Colonial Fleet]].'' 

'''The Fleet''' is the convoy of ships that contain what is effectively the last survivors of humanity after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]]. The Fleet forms the backdrop of the drama of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the re-imagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' series]].

Unofficially, many viewers refer to the Fleet as the "RTF"; "Rag Tag Fleet", or more fully, "RTFF." These nicknames come from the term "Rag Tag Fugitive Fleet," a name used in the opening credits voiceover (performed by [[Lorne Greene]]) describing the [[The Fleet (TOS)|civilian refugee fleet]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].
[[Image:Mini side fleet.jpg|thumb|right|400px|The Fleet in formation ([[Miniseries]]).]]
==Overview==
"The Fleet" begins as a convoy of about sixty stranded commercial and civilian ships around the area of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], located and brought together by [[Raptor]] pilot [[Sharon Valerii]] at the behest of new president [[Laura Roslin]] in the immediate aftermath of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]] ([[Miniseries]]). Of these ships, only a handful were Colonial military craft, such as [[Raptor 478]] and three [[Viper (RDM)|Viper Mark VII]] fighters. One [[ECO]], [[Crashdown]], is called a "refugee from [[Triton (RDM)|Triton]]," suggesting that he escaped that battlestar's destruction with Roslin's convoy.

Twenty ships of the convoy are abandoned to an imminent Cylon attack because they lacked [[FTL]] drives. The remainder of the Fleet joins with battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', the only [[Pegasus (RDM)|known]] surviving warship in the first months after the events of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The Fleet represents the last vestige of humanity. The political and social troubles of the Fleet as it wanders through space function as a metaphor for all of humanity, since the Fleet literally ''is'' what is left of humanity in the television series.

The phrase "the Fleet" functions not only as a signifier for the actual ships of the convoy, but as a substitute for the people on board, and therefore for mankind. Usage of the term "the Fleet" has not gained more than an informal acceptance, as can be seen by President Roslin's continued use of the term ''President of the [[Twelve Colonies]].'' This may be interpreted as either an expression of hope that eventually the people on board the ships of the Fleet will reestablish themselves on a new colony permanently, or a psychological inability to confront that the Fleet may be the only home that humanity knows for a very long time.

[[Saul Tigh]]'s assertion in "[[The Farm]]" that the twenty four ships which departed with the [[Laura Roslin faction]] during her insurrection represented "almost a third of the fleet" imply that the number of ships in the Fleet is approximately in the mid-70's.

==Ships==
* Colonial ships use [[launch key]]s to activate the ship's systems ([[Precipice]]). The keys are unique to each vessel and are extremely difficult to copy.
====Military Vessels====
* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', last remaining [[Galactica type battlestar|original battlestar]] and main protector and flagship of the Fleet, under direct command of Admiral [[William Adama]] ([[Miniseries]])
* ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a [[Mercury class battlestar]] formerly commanded by [[Helena Cain]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]), [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]) and [[Barry Garner]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]). Under the command of [[Lee Adama]] when it is destroyed at the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part II]])

====Government Vessels====
* ''[[Cloud 9]]'', a luxury liner designed to mimic the enviroment of a habitable planet
**Meeting place of the [[Quorum of Twelve]] ([[Colonial Day]])
**Base of operations for [[Demand Peace]] ([[Epiphanies]])
**Destroyed by a nuclear warhead supplied by [[Gaius Baltar]] to the above group along with at least three other ships ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* ''[[Colonial One]]'', President [[Laura Roslin]]'s ship and ostensible seat of government, previously known as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' ([[Miniseries]])

====Civilian Vessels====
* ''[[Astral Queen]]'', a prison ship carrying 1,500 prisoners, including [[Tom Zarek]] ([[Bastille Day]])
* [[Botanical Cruiser]]: A sublight-only vessel that was destroyed [[Miniseries]]
* At least one [[FTL]]-equipped Botanical Cruiser exists ([[The Passage]])
* ''[[Daru Mozu]]'', a [[tylium]] refinery ship. Damaged by a suicide bomber ([[Epiphanies]])
* ''[[Gemenon Traveller]]'', a civilian ship where a copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] is captured ([[Flesh and Bone]])
* [[Gemini (RDM)|''Gemini'']], a freighter ([[Miniseries]])
** At least one similar ship seen throughout the fleet
* ''[[Gideon]]'', a supply ship involved in an incident where four civilians were killed by ''Galactica'' [[marines]] ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])
* ''[[Prometheus]]'', an "off the grid" freighter involved in the [[black market (organization)|black market]]
* ''[[Space Park]]'' (Identified on official Sci-Fi Channel web site but not yet named in an aired episode)
* Three ''[[Colonial Movers]]'' heavy transports
** At least one destroyed in the ''Cloud 9'' disaster

=====[[Intersun Passenger Cruiser]]s=====
* ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', destroyed after an apparent Cylon takeover ([[33]])
* ''[[Gemenon Liner 1701]]'', evacuated by ''Colonial One'' shortly after Laura Roslin's hasty inauguration ([[Miniseries]])
* An Unnamed ''Gemenon Liners Passenger Cruiser'' ([[33]])
* An Unnamed [[Orange Passenger Cruiser]] ([[Miniseries]])
* An unnamed ''[[Pan Galactic]]'' spaceliner ([[Miniseries]])

=====Celestra Type=====
* ''[[Celestra]]'' (mentioned only)
* ''[[Striker]]'', damaged in a refuelling operation overseen by Capt. [[George Birch]] ([[Home, Part I]])

=====Kimba Huta type=====
* ''[[Kimba Huta]]'', a cold storage vessel. Featured in "[[The Farm]] and visible on the vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
*At least six similar transports seen throughout the Fleet

=====Flattop Type=====
* ''[[Carina]]'', a [[salvage and repair]] ship; visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"; lost in transit in a star cluster ([[The Passage]])
* One similar vessel to the ''Carina'' seen in the fleet.
* ''[[Virgon Express]]'' ([[Water]]), visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"

=====[[Mining Ship]]s=====
* ''[[Majahual]]'', a mining ship digging for crucial metals ([[Scar]])
* ''[[Monarch]]'', a mining ship that joined the [[Laura Roslin faction]] ([[Home, Part I]]), visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
*four other mining ships seen throughout the fleet

=====Mentioned Only=====
* ''[[Adriatria]]''(?), visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Adriatic]]'', a member of the Roslin faction armed with ship-to-ship missiles ([[Home, Part I]]); lost in transit in a star cluster ([[The Passage]])
* ''[[Argo Navis]], visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Aurora (ship)|Aurora]], visible on the vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Azmerack]]''(?), visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Baah Pakal]]'', a ship carrying unused [[DDG-62]] engines onboard ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]), visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Boreas]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Bretan]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Carillian Trader]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Cassandra]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
*''[[Chiron]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"; successfully shepherded to the [[algae planet]] ([[The Passage]])
* ''[[Coronis]]'' ([[Litmus]])
* ''[[Cybele]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Clymene]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Demetrius]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Diomedes]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Embla Brokk]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Enkidu]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Epheme]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Faru Sadin]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"; successfully shepherded to algae planet ([[The Passage]])
* ''[[Freighter 212]]'', a ship [[Louanne Katraine]] apparently has some "buddies" on ([[Final Cut]])
* ''[[Galatea]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Greenleaf]]'', a freighter where [[Asha Janik]] and [[Ray Abinell]] were maintenance workers ([[Sacrifice]]), visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Harrak]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Hexare]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Hittes Kan]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Incron Velle]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Kara Nexal]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[McConnell]]'', a supply ship frequented by Commander [[Jack Fisk]]
* ''[[Mutem Wia]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Odysseus]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Persephone]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Picon 36]]'', [[Miniseries]]
* ''[[Picon Express]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Pyxis]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Rhadamantrys]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'', mentioned frequently but as yet unseen.
* ''[[Salpica]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Sargon]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Scorpia Traveler]]'', a civilian ship that carried a suicide bomber copy of [[Aaron Doral]] ([[Litmus]])
* ''[[Swordfish]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Tarbadeck]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Tauranian Traveller]]'', mentioned in a deleted scene in "[[33]]" and visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Thera Sita]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"; successfully shepherded to algae planet ([[The Passage]])
* ''[[Tora Bashiri]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Virga]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
* ''[[Zephyr]]'' ([[Fragged]])
* ''[[Zeusuda]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"

=====Seen but unnamed=====
* ''[[Five-engined vessel]]'', seen above [[Caprica City]] and during the escape from [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* ''[[Wedge-shaped vessel]]'', seen briefly during the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
* ''[[Six tubed vessel]]'', seen throughout the fleet and jumping away from [[New Caprica]] at the end of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"
It is possible that these vessels could be one of the mentioned-only ships but as yet it is not possible to confirm this.

In the episode "[[The Farm]]" 24 ships leave the Fleet to return to Kobol. [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] provides the following breakdown:
*Twelve transports - incl. the ''Astral Queen'', and the ''Gemenon Traveller''
*Seven freighters
*Three construction platforms
*One private cruiser
*One mining ship - the ''Monarch''.

==Demographics==
A few points of information are available concerning the demographics of the Fleet. In "[[33]]", before the destruction of the Olympic Carrier, there were 5,251 survivors from Sagittaron and 49,998 total survivors. In "[[Home, Part I]]", the [[Laura Roslin faction]] left the Fleet with 18,000 individuals, of which 9,500 were Gemenons and 6,250 were Capricans. At that time the total population of the fleet was 47,857.

This information is sparse, but it gives a general idea of the population breakdown of the Fleet if a few assumptions are made for the sake of argument.
*Note that Gemenon and Caprica had more citizens in the Roslin faction alone than Sagittaron had in the entire Fleet. The Twelve Colonies are clearly not represented in equal proportion.
*Before the destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier'', Sagittaron natives made up 10.50% of the fleet. Solely for the purpose of argument, we assume that the ''Olympic Carrier'''s population breakdown was identical to the rest of the fleet's and that Sagittaron continues to make up 10.50% of the Fleet's total population.
*The figures from the Roslin faction can be viewed in several ways:
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics1.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 1: All Gemenons and Capricans jumped to Kobol with the Roslin faction.
::*Caprica: 6,250 persons (13.06%)
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (19.85%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 27,081 (56.59%) 
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics2.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 2: All Gemenons jumped to Kobol with the Roslin faction, lured by the "religion card", but Caprican portion of the Roslin faction was representative of the Fleet.
::*Caprica: 28,204 persons (58.93%)
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (19.85%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 5,127 persons (10.72%) 
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics3.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 3: Caprican and Gemenon portions of the Roslin faction were representative of the fleet.
::*Caprica: 16,617 persons (34.72%)
::*Gemenon: 25,258 persons (52.78%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 956 (2.00%) 
*Although it is plausible that the Caprican population is substantially larger than the other colonies, as ''Colonial Heavy 798'' was in the vicinity when the attack began, and was the nucleus around which the fleet rallied, it is unlikely that the populations of each colony are grossly unequal, or else the [[Quorum of Twelve]] would be a very poor system of government. The likeliest scenario is therefore probably somewhere in between Assumptions 1 and 2, with nearly all of the Gemenon population (drawn by the "religion card") and a large portion of the Caprican population leaving with Roslin.
*Alternatively, it is in fact possible that the populations of the colonies were grossly unequal. Though the structure of the [[Quorum of Twelve]] appears to maintain at least a fiction that the colonies were roughly equal, we know next to nothing about how the governmental system of the colonies was established or evolved over time. Indeed, the United States Senate, for example, by design expressly assumes that the various states constituting it are 'equal' even though this is clearly not the case in terms of their respective populations. Furthermore, the fact that a system of government is 'poor' or else not representatively proportional does not mean it cannot actually be implemented and even survive for long periods of time.

As for population distribution, we know the population of ''Galactica'' (2,693 as of "[[Water]]"), the ''Olympic Carrier'' (1,345 as of "[[33]]") and ''Astral Queen'' (1,500 as of "[[Bastille Day]]", [[List of retcons (RDM)|retconned]] up from 500 in the Miniseries). There are 176 civilians in the cargo hold of [[Colonial One]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". The Fleet is stated at about 75 ships in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", retconned up from 40 in the Miniseries.
*Going by the 75 ship count, the remaining ships besides ''Galactica'' and the ''Astral Queen'' each carry about 600 persons on average.
*The 23 ships that left with the [[Laura Roslin faction]], apart from the ''Astral Queen'', would have an average population of about 720 persons per ship.

==Notes==
* In the [[Miniseries]], astute viewers may recognize three spacecraft with notable resemblances of ships from other SF universes. The first two of these ships aren't considered a [[Canon|canonical]] part of the series or the Fleet, but their appearance adds a bit of humor and pays homage to other notable science fiction and their creative staff.

* ''Serenity'', the central ship from the TV series "[[Wikipedia:Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]]" and the motion picture, "[[Wikipedia:Serenity (film)|Serenity]]", [[:md:Image:SerenityBSGMini.JPG|appears briefly in the sky]] outside the window of a doctor's office where viewers first see [[Laura Roslin]]. The ship does not appear in the Fleet.

* The original USS [[Wikipedia:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)|''Enterprise'' (NCC-1701)]] from the original ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' TV series makes a cameo in the [[:md:Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|last shot of the Fleet]] as [[Elosha]] chants a prayer in the memorial service near the end of the Miniseries. Look to the upper right corner for the ship in a still frame. All season 1 opening credits use this shot, so ''Enterprise'' makes a very quick appearance with each of the first 13 episodes (This is best viewed from the [[Season 1 DVD]] set).

*The ill-fated [[Botanical Cruiser]] in the sublight caravan in the [[miniseries]] was added in homage to the [[Agro Ship]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original ''Battlestar Galactica'']] TV series, which in turn were the re-used models from the SF film ''[[Wikipedia:Silent Running|Silent Running]]'', a Universal/MCA movie that special effects guru [[John Dykstra]] worked on a few years prior to the Original Series. At least one FTL-capable version of this ship survives and exists in the Fleet ([[The Passage]]).

==See Also==
*[[:Category:Colonial Craft|Colonial Craft]]

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Sparrow

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The term '''sparrow''' is a slang nickname used by the Colonial military and refers to a [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]].

Captain [[Kara Thrace]] used the term to relay to [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica's'']] [[CIC]] and to her fellow pilots that she had sighted and was engaging a "[[turkey]]" ([[Maelstrom]]).

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The Circle

2007-03-06T04:41:54Z

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[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Collaborators - Tribuial.jpg|The Circle. Pictured clockwise are members Saul Tigh, Jean Barolay, Kara Thrace, Seelix, and Charlie Connor.|200px|thumb]]
'''The Circle''' is the name given to a tribunal secretly authorized by President [[Tom Zarek]]. The task of this tribunal is to decide the fate of people implicated as collaborators during the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]].

The Circle's initial members include [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]], [[Jean Barolay]], and [[Charlie Connor]]. After the trials and executions of thirteen suspected collaborators, Anders decides that he is no longer able to handle the emotional burden of deciding the life or death decisions made by the group. He is replaced by his wife, [[Kara Thrace]].

The suspect list includes [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] military personnel [[James Lyman|James "Jammer" Lyman]] and [[Felix Gaeta]]. The Circle convicts Lyman for perpetrating crimes against humanity and treason and executes him by expulsion through one of ''Galactica's'' [[launch tubes (RDM)|launch tubes]]. Gaeta, who had served as a presidential aide to [[Gaius Baltar]] on New Caprica is also convicted by the Circle of crimes against humanity. Just before Gaeta is to be executed, Tyrol is able to confirm that it was Gaeta who served as the "inside source" during the occupation of New Caprica, passing top-secret information to the resistance. Tyrol convinces the other members of the Circle to stave the execution and Gaeta is released.

Fifty-six other suspected collaborators on the list are not tried. The Circle disbands when newly reinstated President [[Laura Roslin]] grants general pardons for all collaborators ([[Collaborators]]).

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The Bucket

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'''The Bucket''' is a derisive nickname for the [[Galactica type battlestar|old-era battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

The advanced battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' is known as "[[The Beast]]."

Source: [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/storysofar/glossary/ The Story So Far--SciFi Channel]

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The Beast

2007-03-06T04:38:12Z

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"'''The Beast'''" is a derisive nickname for the [[Mercury class battlestar|advanced battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''.

The name may come from the mammoth size of the ship, or the corrupt, spartan bureaucracy and overly-military attitude of its crew, originally commanded by Admiral [[Helena Cain]].

Source: [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/storysofar/glossary/ The Story So Far-SciFi.com]

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Battlestar Wiki:Galactipedians Quorum

2006-12-22T15:33:40Z

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[[Battlestar Wiki:Welcome, newcomers|Welcome, newcomers]] and baffled oldtimers! If you have a question about [[Battlestar Wiki]] and how it works, please place it '''at the bottom of the list''', and someone will attempt to answer it for you. (If you have a question about life, the universe and everything, go to the [[Battlestar Wiki:reference desk|reference desk]] instead.)

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Before answering a newcomer's question abruptly, consider rereading [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers|Please do not bite the newcomers]].

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== Scifipedia ==

It seems Sci Fi has set up their own wiki, and looking through there I saw some articles which were, while not text-for-text copies, strongly influenced by our setup here. Is this a problem, or can we just let it pass by? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:47, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:Which articles? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:53, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::[[Scifipedia:Aaron Douglas|Aaron Douglas]], for one. Let me find a few more. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:57, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:::[[Scifipedia:Katee Sackhoff|Katee Sackhoff]] is eerily similar to ours, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:00, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Well, at first, I was going to say they probably just used an appropriate license, but [[Scifipedia:SCIFIPEDIA:Terms of Use|SCIFIPEDIA:Terms of Use]] definitely means they don't. This is a problem, as the content there clearly infringes. The same user originated both of the example articles, and they show clear similarity in a way suggesting an attempt to disguise the copying or a very poor effort to paraphase. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:26, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Let's have Joe notified on this. They (in proxy) own the rights to talk about the show, but not to copy from other wikis if they are going to respect the MediaWiki process and the licensing. Oh, this isn't new: Wikipedia contributors have greatly boosted many articles from us as well. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:26, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::Yeah, I know it's not new, but I figured it should be brought up. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:21, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:I've been aware of the growing issue. Scifi claims that they are the ones who wrote the original articles, such as the one on [[Edward James Olmos]]. Right now, I need help gathering evidence to the contrary -- please feel free to either e-mail me or post any evidence here. Since my time is now getting extremely limited, I need help in this. Thank you! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:20, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
::Both the BSWiki and Scifipedia use MediaWiki and both has history showing page edits. Its obviously which site wrote it first and which one just edited in large chunks. Someone really needs to give JohnRDouglas a kick up the bum. Of course its a bit of a dilema because if SciFi really wanted to they could force us to pull virtually all our content, or at the very least the images. We dont want to piss them off, but at the same time, they cant go around using material written by other people. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 19:37, 13 November 2006 (CST)

== german Battlestar Wiki ==
Again german Battlestar Wiki was the first, who aired a german description of the new episode [[Exodus, Part II]]. Thank you to all of you, who aired the english description very fast and made this translation possible. :o) -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 14:30, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:''Danke'', Tirkon and to everyone as well. Folks like yourself on the Internationalization project are some of our most remarkable contributors because you have to manage up to 3 separate versions, while us meager English users just have our place. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:49, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

== Miniseries Standardization ==

Of all the episode articles, the Miniseries article is most nonstandard, with much information that has been discussed ''ad nauseum'' in many other articles on Battlestar Wiki. As with any episode article, the content should reflect the parts aired, the significant summary of events, and brief questions and analysis generated by the initial broadcast (many of which has been answered).

The current format has extended analysis in the second part, most of which is painfully redundant with [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] and many, many other articles. I will be revising both parts to reflect their episodic nature, separating the events in each part, with questions and analysis for each episode. The articles will be renamed based on our current naming procedure in managing multi-part episodes. Both parts will avoid extended questions and analysis as much from the miniseries has been answered, but will point to the episodes and other articles that answer these questions. Any topics or sections that discuss the overall changes between the Re-imagined Series and Original Series will be moved to [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] if the item is not already present. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:28, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

:The [[Cylons (RDM)]] article seems as an introduction to the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] as well. Further I also think, that the term [[Cylon Agent]] is at the latest obsolete now. Caprica-Six, Galactica-Sharon and Caprica Sharon are the first examples against. Especially Caprica-Sharon could be called a "human agent" now. A Number Five shot Caprica Six because she helped Baltar. German version had the "mercy of the late birth" and did not use the term from the beginning ;o) -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 11:34, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Special Number Three in third season ==

Since the third season we have one [[Number Three]] Character who played and will probably play in future a special role. If I remember correct, it was the same Three, who was slain by Six in [[Downloaded]]. We heard that the oracle said, she never should hold the child, because everything will change then. But she did. The first consequence was, that she did not nuke the town. I think, now at the latest we should give her a special name. In the describtions it would be much easier, to identify her. What do you think? And what is about [[Caprica-Three]], because she was introduced there? -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 11:18, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Images ==

I am not sure why, but my entires on Valkyrie, Eugene Novacek and Admiral Corman which were primarily just images uploaded onto the pages were deleted...I don't get it, doesn't it help to have pictures to refer to the subject the page is discussing. If it is a matter of spoiling future episodes with these pictures, readers are imformed at the top of the page which all of the above mentioned pages have, that the page is a spoiler. If it is my own fault for not siting where i got the images taking them down isn't exactly the answer, why not modify them yourselves. I realize I am a huge amateur so, discussing this for me will help myself and possibly others.
:It's not a spoiler issue at all, and your efforts are appreciated. In this case I believe it was simply a matter of the images being duplicates of images already previously uploaded. I'll see if I can track down the image names so that the articles that you mention can be corrected. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:49, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:Apparently they can be found at [[md:User:Shane/gallery|Shane's gallery]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:55, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Firefly class ==

I have what might be a dumb question, and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here it is: Does anyone think it would be a good idea to create an article for Firefly-class transports? I mean, a Firefly class ship could be seen in the skies of Caprica in the miniseries, so it might be worthy of an article. The reason I am asking is because the Star Wars Wiki has an article for Firefly class ships (see: [[Wookiepedia:Firefly-class mid-bulk transport|Firefly-class mid-bulk transport]]). Basically, since a Firefly-class ship was shown on a single panel of a Star Wars Webstrip, it was deemed worthy of it's own article on the Star Wars Wiki, so I was thinking that since a Firefly could be seen in the Galactica miniseries, it might be worth an article here as well. Just thought I would ask about it. [[User:NickScryer|NickScryer]] 19:38, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:The appearance of that ship is noted in [[Re-imagined Series References#Miniseries|our "Easter Egg"]] article (though we still need to come up with a way to increase the exposure to that article). ''Enterprise'' also made an appearance in the miniseries, but those cameos were both obvious tributes, and neither of those ships was ever to be seen again. Should either of those craft make another appearance we'll know for certain that they were intended to be canon, but until that point it'd probably be best to err on the side of caution and assume that they are just one-shot gags from the VFX guys at Zoic. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:As Spencerian said, these were likely one-time cameos. There's very little need to add individual articles about them, when the [[Re-imagined Series References]] would more than suffice. Also, other than a brief appearance, what else of an in-universe nature would there be to say about ''Serenity'' or ''Enterprise''? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:52, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::The amusing part is that the footage with the Enterpise in it (the first fleet shot at the end of the Miniseries) is in the opening credits of each episode with, if I remember correctly, the exception of the New Caprica ones. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:58, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:''"...was shown on a single panel of a Star Wars Webstrip, it was deemed worthy of it's own article on the Star Wars Wiki..."'' - I work over there (Star Wars Wiki), and let me tell you, my fellow editors/contributers are gonzo/bonkers/rabid/nutbag/loons. They create entire articles about a Star Destroyer variant that appeared in a two-bit, rarely seen comic book only because the artist was too lazy or too short on talent to draw the precise diameter of the bridge sensor ranging domes, or slightly changed the exact shape of an X-Wing's engine intakes so whoa! we need a whole article about ''that'' "special X-Wing"! I'd agree with the rest here... keep the homage cameos as footnotes only. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 09:33, 22 December 2006 (CST)

==Formatting box==
This isn't really a question about the wiki per se, but I thought this would be the most appropriate place to ask. I'm one of the admins over at the Star Trek Expanded Universe wiki, which, if you didn't know, is the fanfic/fan film counterpart to Memory Alpha. I was wondering how I would go about having the box below the editing field with all of the formatting shortcuts added to my wiki. Considering that I'm also the rank archivist for the wiki, it's extremely agitating to have to type out the <nowiki></nowiki> tags every time I'm writing something about the different grades of Petty Officers and Second/First Lieutenants. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 15:24, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:It's at [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] on this wiki, and it should be in the same place at your own wiki, assuming it runs on MediaWiki. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 17:38, 26 November 2006 (CST)
::Ok, I added it, but it doesn't seem to work. Can you tell what the problem is? --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 17:59, 26 November 2006 (CST)
::The stuff is showing up on edit pages, but it's all text and no links. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 18:17, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:::If I were to guess, it's that there's CSS stuff at work. Note the div and span id's up at the top in the code? I'm betting the default css styles here (bsgbook and bsgmonobook) have been rigged to interpret those correctly. Hopefully Shane or Joe will notice this, as I think both of them were involved with getting it up and running here. I'm sure they'd be glad to help another wiki out (whenever their ridiculous schedules will allow). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:55, 26 November 2006 (CST)
::::Hi Kevin! Welcome to the wiki! ;-) Actually, in order to get edittools working, you will need the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CharInsert charinsert] extension. Obviously, if you have need for any assistance from me, please feel free to ask! :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:58, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:::::Ok, I need help on how to get the charinsert tag working. I have no idea how to do it. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 20:21, 26 November 2006 (CST)
::::::Hmm... Did you edit the LocalSettings.php config file and upload? Reason I ask is because the extension is not showing up on [http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Version STEU's Version page]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:42, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:::::::The thing is, I don't know where the Local Settings page is. Exactly where is it? --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 20:48, 26 November 2006 (CST)
::::::::Do you have FTP access to the server, because that's the only way to get it, edit it and then upload it again. (Sadly, It's not accessible through the web-interface used by the MediaWiki software.) If you don't feel comfortable with changing the stuff directly on the server -- or don't have the access -- I suggest firing off an e-mail to the Wikia folks and let them know to install the charinsert extension for you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:54, 26 November 2006 (CST)
== Ratings? ==
One of the stats on the Lurker's guide episode guides were a "P5 Rating", an informal poll rating the episodes. Would that be of value? Personally, I'd almost rather see something more like the last vote in the Coaches poll for college football, where the votes are published. Something with the user, the rating, and maybe a brief explanation of why they rated it like they did. My only fear is that may degenerate into cross-talk and vote manipulation ("I voted a 1 because User:Starbuck_Rocks_My_World is an idiot and voted it a 10 when it should really be more like a 6 but she just really like Starbuck episodes.") Some sort of automated tabulation would also be good, as we wouldn't want to add more admin overhead (especially for older episodes). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)
: I'm not too keen on the idea, personally. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:55, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:Disagree as well. There are enough forums where people can rate episodes. For a place that strives to be objective, it would add unneeded subjectivity --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:17, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::Some kind of javascript/dhtml/css user [http://komodomedia.com/blog/index.php/2005/08/24/creating-a-star-rater-using-css/ star rating] might be a cool little addition though, but i think that it should be clearly a user rating not a rating given by the battlestar wiki officially. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:46, 22 December 2006 (CST)
:::I can see where there might be conflict with the "encyclopedic" mission (an encyclopedia might note that critics loved/hated a particular work, but shouldn't be in the business of critiquing itself). The user rating was just a thought I had when pondering some of the differences between us and the lurker's guide. Differences aren't always bad... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:56, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Talk:The Eye of Jupiter/Archive3

2006-12-16T19:53:56Z

Hawke: 18 Casualties & Relevance to "The Passage"

I wonder if it has to do with that big red spot... *rollseyes* --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:48, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I'm more reminded of that Writer's Podcast thing, you know when they're saying "How many more times are we going to find an artifact like the Arrow of Apollo and have to search for them all? That feels like going back to the well too many times, I mean what are we going to say, "Athena has 10 sacred toenail clipping scattered across space, you have to find them all...?" :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:49, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:i'm thinking along the lines of some jewelry. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:57, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

::It sounds like a good plotline actually. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:05, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Merv - you just made me spill forth mein coca cola whilst reading the section about the sacred toenail clippings - thats too much for 3am on a sunday morning! Still, plot looks good, just wish Season 3 would hurry up and AIR dammit! :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::No, really, they make a joke about "Athena's toenail clippings" in that writer's podcast thing. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:12, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I have a few possible meanings for 'eye of Jupiter' --[[User:starryniteynite|starryniteynite]]

1) Relatively obscure name for NGC 3242, a planetary nebula (A ring of illuminated gas expanding out from a sun-like star that's exhausted its fuel, and has lost its outer layers) a few thousand light years from Earth. Most astronomers call this 'the Ghost of Jupiter' instead, though some Hubble images have used this name. Its not a very unique PN (tho it has some gas streamers we can't quite explain), but it could be used as a navigational marker like M8 (the lagoon nebula). It is a very pretty nebula :)

2) "Eye of Jupiter" was the Greek/Roman name for the sun, which lead to today's 'all seeing eye' symbol of the free masons and on the pyramid in US currency

3)Adama=Zeus=Jupiter...yes, they tend to use Greek vs. Roman names, but the titles are not always consistent with this convention, and we have also seen evidence for non Greek mythological names (Isis, for example). The rest of it could be wordplay too...'eye' might refer to someone acting as Adama's eyes, rather than his eyes literally (just as 'The captain's hand refereed to Lee acting as Gardner's XO, or his hand, rather than some captain's literal hand)

4)A reference to Jupiter's big red spot, a huge hurricane-like storm on the planet's surface. Just like the "bastille Day" title, this could reference something in the episode, but not directly...they might travel through a similar storm. This has actually been done before in the miniseries, when Galactica travels into the storm at Ragnar

5) The tried and true, ancient object meaning...just like the arrow of Apollo directly references a character, but has no link to the character himself, this could just be a pretty piece of bling..

Personally, I would love #1, but only because it'd make me 2/2 for BSG objects in my thesis and I'm a total, unabashed geek. I think its probably #2, however, and they find some sort of navigational means of finding Earth (like a picture of Earth w/ distances& directions to three pulsars or very unique objects

== Duelling Sharons ==

So did anyone else get a sense of animosity/jealousy between the two Sharons? While it seems that Boomer has accepted her place amongst the Cylons and no longer considers herself a part of the humans, it also seems that she's a bit jealous of Athena's "taking her place", if you could call it that. Likewise, it also seemed that aside from her duties as a Colonial officer, Athena's refusal to let Boomer in with Adama was also somewhat out of personal distrust, ironically the same distrust of the Cylons that her fellow Colonial colleagues have.

Also, while Boomer told Athena about Hera's condition out of possible concern of the child (possible strain of humanity left in her? Cylon imperative? Or something else?), seems to me that Boomer enjoyed bursting her "sister"'s bubble on that. Talk about sibling rivalry there.

It'll be interesting to see if there will be any further Sharon vs. Sharon confrontations in the series.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 23:55, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:It was a very, very interesting dynamic. In any other show, we would have had a knock-down dragout "catfight." You hit the nail on the head. This episode was prime stuff. And, we on the wiki should be commended: our ''Galactica'' nuke count is right on the money! (Either that, or the show is using ''us'' as a source! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:20, 16 December 2006 (CST)

::Does that mean we can finally change the "Class-D Nuclear Warhead" to something completely different, since their nukes ''aren't'' Class-D? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:42, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Image==
Let's find an image that actually occurs in this episode. Maybe the wide shot of Tyrol in the temple? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Heh which one? to me it seems the Chief was a bit wide in ALL shots ; how could he gain weight while the fleet was starving? the chief definitely deserves the Lee Adama Fat-Ass trophy --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 03:10, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:Maybe it was Chief, and not Dr. Cottle, that got all of Kat's energy bars from the last ep.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 12:25, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Did Starbuck survive?==
Horray for the carelessness of adverts! Within ten minutes we knew the answer to that one. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Aside from that, it's going to continue the cycle of Soap Opera unease there, if Dee's the one sent to go get Starbuck back. Can't wait to see the uncomfortable stares on that one, especially if (as I suspect) Dee set up Starbuck to be the "eye in the sky" '''hoping''' the Cylons would shoot her down.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 11:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)
::Who else was supposed to fly the mission? Looks like Lee and Kara are the only two qualified pilots on the ground and Lee is needed in overall command. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:34, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Too good to be true==
When we Baltar's voice over ''Galactica'''s speaker, the closed caption actually identifies him as "Cylon over speaker". I know that's not really meant to be taken as anything, but with all the speculation, it seems like a shining goof, or maybe even someone taking a good piss out of the [[Baltar as Cylon speculation|whole thing]]. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Nuking the Planet==

Does anyone else think that the nuclear missiles have the ability to be detonated remotely, before they reach their target? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:44, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Not to mention abort code transmissions, etc. Makes you wonder if the missiles were set for "one shot, one kill" mode, where they could not be recalled.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 11:39, 16 December 2006 (CST)

== WTF moment ==

I was on the [[Karl Agathon]] page, updating it for this ep's news, when I came across [[:Image:Valley_of_Darkness-Starbuck_Helo.jpg|this old picture]]. Considering how Kara's painting looks and that she's religious (though not indoctrinated in any sort of clerical form, unlike Chief Tyrol's parentage), does anyone think that (in hindsight), this may have been a hint to the Eye itself?--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 12:37, 16 December 2006 (CST)

== 18 Casualties & Relevance to "The Passage" ==

If 18 people were lost from '''The Passage''' episode, that means that 17 (at most) were aboard those two lost civilian ships, right? I'm only bringing this up to clarify what transpired — from that, and what we saw, the Raptors would pair up with a civilian ship, and that ship's passenger complement would be transferred onto ''Galactica'' (more heavily shielded, combat FTL drive) for the ferry run through the cluster. The civilian ship would then be crewed by an absolute bare minimum number of crewers. Then, when the group reached the other side of the cluster, the passengers would be transported back to their ships (if they survived the passage), the ships would remain at "Algae-planet", and ''Galactica'' would turn around and go back to the original side to repeat the cycle over again for a new group of civilian ships?

Am I reading/viewing this right? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:53, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Daniel Novacek

2006-12-01T08:57:52Z

Hawke:

{{Character Data
|photo= Season 3 - Promo - Hero - Novacek.jpg
|age= Unkown
|colony= Unkown
|birthname= Daniel Novacek
|callsign= Bulldog
|seen= Hero
|rank=Lieutenant, s.g.
|actor= [[Carl Lumbly]]
}}

Lieutenant '''Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek''' is a pilot who served under [[Admiral Adama]] aboard the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].

He was part of a disclosed mission led by Adama aboard the ''[[Valkyrie]]'', where he was to pilot a special craft, known as [[Stealth Star]], over the [[Armistice Line]]. Upon crossing, he was soon interdicted by an unknown contact and left in the crippled vessel, spinning out of control. With two more craft bearing down on him, Adama ordered Novacek destroyed so as to eliminate any evidence of their incursion into Cylon space. Instead of dying inside the doomed stealth ship, Novacek managed to eject a split second before the incoming missile detonated.

He was then taken prisoner by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and spent three years in their captivity. Some time after the occupation of [[New Caprica]], battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' detects three Raiders. Two Raiders are pursuing a third Raider, damaged by Cylon gunfire. Starbuck and Kat are dispatched. After destroying the pursuing Raiders, they go after the third. In CIC, Admiral Adama orders Kat and Starbuck to escort the Raider to Galactica, after hearing, from the Raider, a familiar human voice and callsign — Bulldog.
In the hangar bay, Adama and the party are surprised that a human has exited the Raider. A visibly weak Daniel Novacek salutes Adama; Adama returns the salute.

Over a meal (noodles eaten with chopsticks) Adama asks Novacek how he escaped. He relates a story of plague on the basestar and escaping after killing a Number Three with a blow to the nose delivered through the cell bars.

Bulldog is debriefed by the President with Adama present, where they tell a (decidedly shaky) story of a mining facility too close to the Armistice Line to cover the true events.

Novacek later visits Saul Tigh in his quarters shortly after Adama talks with him. Tigh informs Novacek about Adama's past actions and in the process greatly angers him. Novacek later proceeds to "question" Adama.

Meanwhile, [[Kara Thrace]] reviews the gun camera film from their fight with the Cylon Raiders and realizes that the Cylons were deliberately missing their quarry, letting Bulldog get away. She goes to Saul Tigh with this information, who deduces that Bulldog was allowed there by the Cylons to bring harm to the admiral.

Tigh finds Novacek in the process of killing Adama and stops him, harshly berating him about how he had nearly given the Cylons what they wanted. A deeply ashamed Novacek then slumps against a wall in grief.

Later, Novacek is boarding a Raptor presumably to start a new life on a civilian ship. Before he departs, Admiral Adama (having forgiven him) presents a Colonial uniform and in the process assures him he will always have a place as an officer on ''Galactica''.

([[Hero]]).

== Notes ==

* [[David Eick]]'s Video Blog entitled "Introducing Bulldog"<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=34824|title=Introducing Bulldog|date=2006-10-11|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=VID|language=}}</ref> revealed that after agreeing to the role, Carl Lumbly stated that he wanted to keep his dreadlocks, much to the bemusement of director [[Michael Rymer]].

== References ==
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Daniel Novacek

2006-12-01T08:56:28Z

Hawke:

{{Character Data
|photo= Season 3 - Promo - Hero - Novacek.jpg
|age= Unkown
|colony= Unkown
|birthname= Daniel Novacek
|callsign= Bulldog
|seen= Hero
|rank=Lieutenant, s.g.
|actor= [[Carl Lumbly]]
}}

Lieutenant '''Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek''' is a pilot who served under [[Admiral Adama]] aboard the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].

He was part of a disclosed mission led by Adama aboard the ''[[Valkyrie]]'', where he was to pilot a [[Stealth Star]] over the [[Armistice Line]]. Upon crossing, he was soon interdicted by an unknown contact and left in the crippled craft, spinning out of control. With two more craft bearing down on him, Adama ordered Novacek destroyed so as to eliminate any evidence of their incursion into Cylon space. Instead of dying inside the doomed stealth ship, Novacek managed to eject a split second before the incoming missile detonated.

He was then taken prisoner by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and spent three years in their captivity. Some time after the occupation of [[New Caprica]], battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' detects three Raiders. Two Raiders are pursuing a third Raider, damaged by Cylon gunfire. Starbuck and Kat are dispatched. After destroying the pursuing Raiders, they go after the third. In CIC, Admiral Adama orders Kat and Starbuck to escort the Raider to Galactica, after hearing, from the Raider, a familiar human voice and callsign — Bulldog.
In the hangar bay, Adama and the party are surprised that a human has exited the Raider. A visibly weak Daniel Novacek salutes Adama; Adama returns the salute.

Over a meal (noodles eaten with chopsticks) Adama asks Novacek how he escaped. He relates a story of plague on the basestar and escaping after killing a Number Three with a blow to the nose delivered through the cell bars.

Bulldog is debriefed by the President with Adama present, where they tell a (decidedly shaky) story of a mining facility too close to the Armistice Line to cover the true events.

Novacek later visits Saul Tigh in his quarters shortly after Adama talks with him. Tigh informs Novacek about Adama's past actions and in the process greatly angers him. Novacek later proceeds to "question" Adama.

Meanwhile, [[Kara Thrace]] reviews the gun camera film from their fight with the Cylon Raiders and realizes that the Cylons were deliberately missing their quarry, letting Bulldog get away. She goes to Saul Tigh with this information, who deduces that Bulldog was allowed there by the Cylons to bring harm to the admiral.

Tigh finds Novacek in the process of killing Adama and stops him, harshly berating him about how he had nearly given the Cylons what they wanted. A deeply ashamed Novacek then slumps against a wall in grief.

Later, Novacek is boarding a Raptor presumably to start a new life on a civilian ship. Before he departs, Admiral Adama (having forgiven him) presents a Colonial uniform and in the process assures him he will always have a place as an officer on ''Galactica''.

([[Hero]]).

== Notes ==

* [[David Eick]]'s Video Blog entitled "Introducing Bulldog"<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=34824|title=Introducing Bulldog|date=2006-10-11|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=VID|language=}}</ref> revealed that after agreeing to the role, Carl Lumbly stated that he wanted to keep his dreadlocks, much to the bemusement of director [[Michael Rymer]].

== References ==
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Stealthstar

2006-12-01T08:38:11Z

Hawke:

{{Ship Data
| image= 3x8-Stealth-Star-7746VA.jpg
| title= Stealth Star (7746VA)
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl=
| crew= 1 pilot
| role= Stealth infiltrator
| weapons=
| status= Destroyed
| img= Y
}}

'''Stealth Star''' 7746VA was a designation used by a Colonial stealth craft.

Lieutenant [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] from [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] ''[[Valkyrie]]'' piloted a stealth recon craft, designated ''Stealth Star'', across the [[Armistice Line]] in order to determine whether or not the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] were performing a military buildup ([[Hero]]).

During the mission, the Stealth Star had open comm channels and was actively monitoring DRADIS, perhaps in an attempt to lure the Cylons with the intent of going silent at the first sign of trouble. Its position was clearly visible to Valkyrie's DRADIS. However, the Stealth Star was interdicted by a craft of unknown designation which quickly jumped in and out. This resulted in severe damage before its stealth functions were fully utilized.

==Notes==
* The Stealth Star utilized the [[Viper Mark VII|Viper Mk VII]] cockpit for interior scenes.
* On ''Valkyrie'''s [[Dradis]], the ship was designated as "S-Star".

== See also ==
* [[Blackbird]], the first Colonial stealth craft introduced in the series.

== Related Imagery ==
<gallery>
Image:3x8-Stealth-Star-7746VA (2).jpg|Clearly showing the ship number as 7746VA
Image:3x8-Stealth-Star-Cockpit.jpg|Cockpit view
Image:3x8-Stealth-Star-Winged.jpg|Winged and spiraling out of control
</gallery>

{{Ships}}

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Talk:Hero/Archive2

2006-12-01T08:29:07Z

Hawke: No Definitive Proof of "Cylon" (removed Question)

== Can We compare Adama to President George....Washington? :) ==
I was reading the quote from Eick, "...Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies." and for some reason I felt that thie reminded me of Gorge Washington long before we was president or even commander-in-chief when, before the 7-Years-War, Washington was involved in a skirmish with the French over Fort Necessity, aka Pittsburgh (yes, we fought a battle for that city) that led to Washington signing a treaty stating, unbeknownst to him because he couldn't speak French and his interpreter sucked, that he committed attrocities against France in the name of the British Empire. This, according to many historians, led to the 7 Years War, known in America as the French and Indian War, that would decimate Northern Germany. I'm sure Washington at some level had to be aware of this error on his part and led him to remorse I imagine. Anyways, the story is different but I was wondering how many parallels there will be, if there will be, in this episode to Washington's conundrum. I wanted to ask a question on the article page but couldn't concise it enough for wiki standards. I may ask on the scifi bboard but input on this would be appreciated before I do. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 19:42, 3 August 2006 (PST)
:That's an interesting analogy, showing a fine attention to historical detail. I think the parallel has minor flaws, though, since Washington's conduct in that matter isn't generally considered morally wrong so much as foolish. [[Wikipedia:Gavrilo Princip|Gavrilo Princip]] might be worth considering as a parallel; he was the immediate but not ultimate cause of a devastating war, and he precipitated the conflict by attacking his fellow countryman, thinking it justified in contrast to the general consensus. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 02:28, 4 August 2006 (CDT)

:: It's unlikely that Adama's actions are quite the transgression that he believes it to be; after all, the [[cylon agent|Cylons had been violating the armistice line]] for about a half a year prior to Adama's, anyway.[[User:TaKometer|TaKometer]] 02:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)

::: I was wondering about the timeline as well. I think Adama says somthing like, the mission was a year before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack]], but the cylons had been planning the attack for two years. However, I think there is an error in the timeline. Adama also says he served with Boomer for two years, and I think he implied that it was on Galactica. Gaeta also says that he served with Adama for three years. It is possible that Gaeta was on the Valkyrie for a year, but I think the mission happened about two years before the attack, not just one. I will rewatch the episode, but do you have any ideas? [[User:Jrmurph|Jrmurph]] 12:21, 18 November 2006 (EST)
:::: I think there is an inconsistency in the story. It is not unexplainable, ie Gaeta and Boomer served with Adama on the Valkyrie, but it did seem like nobody other than Adama or Tigh recognized Bulldog so the timeline is a little esquew. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:01, 18 November 2006 (CST)

Does anybody think it's strange that Adama believes it better to fire a weapon ACROSS the Armistice Line, INTO Cylon space, as opposed to allowing Novacek's ship to be discovered? A ship that close to the line could easily have been explained away as having strayed off course... but an offensive weapon fired into their space? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 01:54, 25 November 2006 (CST)

== Another Battlestar? ==
There is a spoiler image showing Adm Adama and Col Tigh in the CIC of the Battlestar Valkerie. I zoomed in on Adama and saw he had his Admiral's pins on. Might this be a sign that they soon will find yet another Battlestar? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 01:24, 15 November 2006 (CST)
: It's a flashback scene. It may be more of a costuming error. Note that Tigh still has his eye in that promo shot. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 01:39, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:: Right. Two eyed Tigh. Darn. I was hoping they'd find another Battlestar cause I do miss the Pegasus. It was bigger, much cooler and the doors made this cool "beep" when they opened. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 01:50, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:::You can visit [[Valkyrie]] as well. It's a spoiler until Friday but you can adjust it with some new data later. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:36, 15 November 2006 (CST)
::::It's true, I saw the Admiral pips as well, the flashback should have been Commander pips; as the Stealth ship incident occurred three years ago. [[User:SimsHsia|SimsHsia]] 22:56, 17 November 2006 (CST)
: The Valkerie looked to be a Mercury class Battlestar. This would make sense because the galactica class was an older ship and has been all but replaced with the newer bigger and more efficent Mercury class.--[[User:Mike|Mike]] 09:30, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::It's definately not a Mercury, the only part really similar is the engine block. If anything, it looked most like a reimagining of the original series battlestar, down to the rectangular opening in the flightpod and the angular head. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::Inside it looks like a Mercury yes. That's a sign of its age. But outside, it's far smaller than a full-sized battlestar. Look at the gun battery on the top. There's only one and almost covers the width of the ship there. See the Valkyrie page for more details (where this discussion should take place), but I think it's basically a smaller battlestar meant for support duties. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:52, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:: Not disagreeing with your main point, but its quite possible that there were far more Battlestar classes than just the "Cylon War Type" and the Mecurcy class, given that the colonies built up a fleet of arround 120 Battlestars over about 50 years, particularly as the Viper apparently went through 5 different itterations over this time, although we are likely never going to see the intervening versions of either type --[[User:Useless|Useless]] 09:55, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== Barry Kennedy as Admiral Corman ==

Hey all, I was just checking on Barry Kennedy's link, and it links to an IMDB page other than his profile page detailing his filmography, and etc. [[User:SimsHsia|SimsHsia]] 23:52, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:That's because some people keep forgeting the "nm" when entering imdb numbers and in that case the link default to title instead of actor --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:53, 18 November 2006 (CST)

==The Stealth-Star==
hey i just noticed this but the name of the ship was the stealth star so someone(not me)should create it a page. Best Snorkel378
:Already done [[Stealth Star]]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:41, 18 November 2006 (CST)

==The scene with Baltar, Six and Three in bed==
it says on there that 3 is having a sexual realationship with baltar and six?
Cylons arent lesbos i think they were having a 3some {{unsigned|Snorkel378}}
:You are assuming that the Six we see is Caprica-Six and not Baltar's internal Six. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 20:49, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::It would be an odd choice cinematically to have Three wake up from a dream and show us something from inside Baltar's head. {{unsigned|Wldkt1}}
:::Please remembe rto sign your posts on talk pages guys <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:05, 19 November 2006 (CST)
The fact that Baltar and Six are in a 'clutch' position makes it unlikely that it's his internal Six. Three would have noticed Baltar trying to hug thin air in his sleep. Baltar is also in the center of the bed, rather than on one side. In addition, Caprica seems to be aware of (and approves) Three's new interest in Baltar. Regarding the possibility of a relationship between Three and Six: that is only speculation, but just because we haven't seen a lesbian relationship between cylons doesn't mean one isn't possible.[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 22:18, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:It could be that Caprica-Six sees this as a way to weaken Baltar--after all, the formula for getting Baltar to give up secrets seems pretty clear: get in his bed, get in his head, so to speak. Remember that during the torture in previous episodes, he said to Three, "I love you with all of my heart." That's what started the relationship, so I think Three is interested in Baltar for whatever reason, not necessarily Six. Plus, on a more humorous note...I have to wonder if the Cylons have any sexual relations amongst themselves at all. This could be one deprived Cylon... [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:24, 20 November 2006 (CST)
Speculation on Cylon sexual orientation aside, I think we all can agree that Baltar is one lucky sonofabitch. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 05:28, 21 November 2006 (CST)
:weell, if put aside the whole electro-shock thing and the drilling in the ear thing. Face it, Baltar had to work hard for that threesome.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 09:47, 21 November 2006 (CST)
::Well, yes, he did work hard for it, but doesn't everyone work hard for a threesome? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:53, 21 November 2006 (CST)
A threesome with Six and Three would be cool, but personally, I think a threesome with two Eights would be awesome, and far better. But that's because the Eights are my favorites [[User:NickScryer|NickScryer]] 22:02, 21 November 2006 (CST)
:Personally, I find Lucy Lawless and Tricia Helfer to be hotter than Grace Park. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:50, 22 November 2006 (CST)

Everyone I am so sorry to bring this up cause we changed the subject badly- Snorkel378

==The Black Ops Mission==
Does anyone think that the entire mission was poorly concieved? First, the Colonials jump a Battlestar to very close range of the armistice line, which one would expect to attract attention in and of itself. Second, we see the ''Valkyrie'' track the S-Star after launch and over the line. This either means the Valkyrie tracked it directly on DRADIS, which indicates it's not much of a stealth ship and that the Cylons should be able to detect it as well, or the S-Star has some sort of transponder reporting its position, which is also something the Cylons should detect. Finally, as referenced in the main article, the S-Star maintains radio contact with the ''Valkyrie'' throughout the whole mission, again something the Cylons should be able to detect. Would the writers have really overlooked all this, or are we meant to conclude that the Admriality meant for the mission to have been discovered by the Cylons? --[[User:Cleophus|Cleophus]] 22:55, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:-The mission is quite similar to the United States' U2 overflights during the late 1950's and 60's. Certain similarities between the depicted incident and the [[:wikipedia:U-2 Crisis of 1960|incident involving Francis Gary Powers]] can be read. It also conjures up several dozen observation flights by aircraft such as specially outfitted C-130's flying perilously close to a boundary line — even going so far as to slip a wingtip across it to "call a bluff". Also, there's the incident involving the Chinese Gai-8 fighter and the US P-3 Orion.
:In the case of our Colonials here, the stealth craft is more than likely equipped with an "odd frequency" (either very low or very high), encrypted transponder that transmits on a specific wavelength, only for IFF purposes. If I recall correctly, F-117 Nighthawks can still use their radios when on ops (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I suspect that this mission was proposed in order to get a glimpse into ''any'' Cylon activity. The stealth craft would be dangled out as a tiny bit of bait – just enough to get a response. Its stealth characteristics would increase its ability to dash back across the Armistice Line untracked and unaffected, and then ''Valkyrie'' would be able to observe and record the arriving Cylons. If questions were raised ("What are you doing here?" ... "Good question, what are ''you'' doing here?" ... "We detected you over the Armistice Line." ... "Who, us? Noooo... We've been on our side this whole time, just trolling about, watching over our miners over there on that moon there. So why are you here again? You don't mind if we take some photos of you while you're here, do you?"), the Colonials would feign ignorance and innocence, but they'd at least have a response... something that the Cylons haven't even projected in thirty-plus years. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:--Is it possible that the Stealth Star was shot down by a Colonial Force in hopes that it would percipitate a conflict? Similar to the Gulf of Tonkin? This way the Colonials can say one of their ships got lost and was destroyed by the Cylons in cold blood (Or something along those lines). Also, it makes no sense a ship would jump in, shoot the S-Star, and jump out. Why wouldnt it commit to killin the S-Star? --[[User:Skrip00|Skrip00]] 16:31, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:: Perhaps. We don't know either way. To be honest, after some seriously critical thought about it on my part, there's really not much of it that makes sense, since it was poorly explained in the episode. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:55, 20 November 2006 (CST)

==Folks in White Robes==
Aren't there five white-robed figures in Number Three's vision? It's pretty speculative, but maybe these are meant to represent the five missing Cylon models (maybe they've undergone some kind of transcendence, and are "with God now" or something). Maybe the article should note this (after all, the white-robes show up for the first time just a couple episodes after we first learn that there's definitely something different or mysterious about the five missing models), though I don't know the proper section for it. {{unsigned|Steve}}

:- I noticed that too, but was going to "acquire" the episode and re-watch that part, or watch it again on Monday to see... I _think_ there are five humanoid figures in white robes, kneeling or seated in that semi-circle when Three walks amongst them. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:Three's in the opera house on Kobol where Baltar's internal Six shows him Hera's cradle; I believe those are the same white drapes that can be seen on the opera house stage in [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 11:38, 20 November 2006 (CST)

::Well I agree she's in the opera house from KLG, but I don't think I'm referring to the drapes. In the initial shot of the opera house, there seem to be five glowing figures standing between the six white drapes. Some of the quick shots of the opera house that follow show these figures, and some do not (as though they are alternately hiding and revealing themselves). At the end of her experience, Three approaches and reaches out to one of these figures just before she is resurrected. --[[User:Steve|Steve]] 02:50, 21 November 2006 (CST)

:::Sorry, you're right. I watched the episode again and noticed them. (Don't know why I missed them the first time, I was watching on a huge HDTV then!) I have a feeling that in the next few episodes, Three is going to keep having "accidental" deaths, and we'll see these figure again. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 20:26, 21 November 2006 (CST)

:::: Here's an iTunes [[:Image:3x8-Hero-MaybeTheLast5Cylons.jpg | screencap]]. 5 remaining cylons, 5 robed figures. Hmmmmm... --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 22:12, 24 November 2006 (CST)

:::::I just see some friggin' glowing blobs. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:55, 28 November 2006 (CST)

::::::That was my initial reaction too, but right at the end of that extra-life experience [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=210&pos=646 she approaches one of them]. So I think they really may be "figures". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:46, 28 November 2006 (CST)

:::::::Ah. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 10:27, 29 November 2006 (CST)

== Reference to Raising Arizona? ==

I'm new here, so I didn't want to jump right into the thick of things by adding this to the main page before running it by other people...when Adama and Novacek are sitting down for the first time, Adama asks him something like "How did you escape, Bulldog?". Novacek rambles for a little bit (again, I don't remember exact words) but wraps up with "I felt the facility no longer had anything to offer me...". If I'm not mistaken, this is a reference to Raising Arizona--John Goodman's character says just about the exact same thing after he breaks out of prison. I can't seem to find the line on IMDB or Wikiquote, though... {{unsigned|MikeDanger}}
:Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:08, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:As far as I remember "Raising Arizona", the dialogue goes like this: 
:''- You busted outta jail?'' 
:''- No, ma'am. We released ourselves on our own recognizance.'' 
:''- What Evelle is tryin' to say is we felt the institution no longer had anything to offer us.'' -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 08:28, 19 November 2006 (CST)

== Insight into Cylon plan ==
If the Cylons know where the Colonials are, or at least know well enough to send Bulldog at them, it's common sense to ask, why don't they just attack? Well, maybe their goal isn't to destroy Galactica et al outright but something more complex. One thing that does seem consistent with their plan is their desire to kill Adama, perhaps because they want to send the fleet into disarray without him at the top. Examples: Leoben telling Roslin that Adama's a Cylon in Flesh and Blood, Boomer shooting Adama repeatedly in Kobol's Last Gleaming Pt. II. There may be more examples that I can't think of right now.

People have been crying out "plot hole!" with reckless abandon in light of Bulldog's ability to pinpoint Galactica's position, but if the Cylon plan really is as simple as ''kill all humans,'' as these detractors might claim, then much of the show falls apart. The reality is, we don't really know the Cylon plan, and at this point, there's really no reason to jump to the conclusion that the writers are just too lazy to think of one. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 18:22, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:The Cylons might know full well where the Colonials are but if they jumped in a couple of Basestars then the fleet would zip out of there pretty sharpish and might go somewhere where the Cylons dont know and they will have to find them all over again. IMO, their plan is a long game. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 19:17, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:IMHO, "Hero" is the weakest episode of the series yet. There's just too many logic errors for me to dismiss as part of the "suspension of disbelief" process. For instance, how does Bulldog have the time to learn how to pilot a Cylon raider, when Starbuck took hours to figure out how to operate the thing? Also, how would Bulldog be able to operate the FTL drive -- Kobol's Last Gleaming pretty much made it clear that the FTL drive needed an actual computer, given that the brain had to be ripped out in order for it to be piloted manually. But that's another not so fine mess.
: As for the Cylon plans, well, they're clearly compliated and seem to be changing since the attack. Whether or not this is by design has yet to be detrmined, though I sincerely doubt that the writer's have this thing all planned out a la ''Babylon 5''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:30, 19 November 2006 (CST)

::Yeah, I know what you're saying. I also doubt it's all planned out B5-style (hasn't Ron basically said something to that effect anyway, like how much they enjoy making it up as they go along?), but that doesn't mean it necessarily can't all add up in the end, and we should assume that they ''do'' know what they are doing until they are proven wrong.

::Also, a lot of people have been talking about how unrealistic it is for Bulldog to have learned how to operate the raider in such a short time. I'm not trying to start an arguement about this, but I don't actually remember them saying that he had only a short time to learn how to use the raider. Are you guys just assuming that he had to learn it all quickly based on the rushed nature of his escape? Is there a reason he couldn't have actually had a few hours to do it? I mean, if they let him escape, then he could have been in the basestar hangar for hours trying to work the controls while they watched (and snickered) from behind the glass. --[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 23:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:I agree that a lot of people have seemed predisposed to cry foul lately--I can understand how the scientific goofs in "A Measure of Salvation" could've set people on edge--but I do think it's possible that if the Cylons are operating under a religious motivation, that their plan does go beyond a simple "kill all humans" approach. They may see the need to exact specific steps of revenge/torture against humanity, perhaps a particular punishment for each perceived offense. That's just one possibility, but it could well be they have the death of a thousand cuts in mind for the remnants of humanity. I think Drumstick's probably on to something here. Or you know, if they wanted Bulldog to escape, they could have trained a Raider (which wasn't injured like Starbuck's) to understand and obey his commands or even set it up with an interface that a human could use. Until we see proof or disproof of all the different theories, I think it's too early to try to claim BsG has jumped the shark or anything similar. I also have to wonder if anybody here has writing experience with writing a full-length work. I am working on my first novel, and keeping total, perfect consistency is not easy and while I tend to get the big things right, I am still finding a lot of subtle things that need tweaking, and this despite my best efforts. [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:17, 20 November 2006 (CST)
:As an aside wrt the Cylon plan, Browndog's question from the Episode page:
::''Does the fact that Adama was potentialy responsible for starting the war explain why Galactica was important enougth to have 2 out of 12 human cylons on board during the start of the mini-series??--Browndog 14:17, 23 November 2006 (CST)''
:I think that it's plausable considering the roles that Boomer and Doral were playing at the time that their both being on Galactica at the time of the Attack is simply a coincidence. Short of conspiracy within the Fellt Boomer is asigned where she's needed, and Doral's position as a civil servant would have been a good cover for a Cylon spy.--[[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 20:01, 23 November 2006 (CST)
Hey maybe they think that if adama is dead the fleet will destroy itself or get into a civil war cus that almost happened when tigh was in command and the Cylons may think he is still XO. Best Snorkel378

I agree with the English version of Snorkel378's comment: the Cylons obviously planned for Bulldog to kill Adama. This would give them the distraction they need to make a battle last longer than the FTL spinup time, and put a less capable officer in command of Galactica. [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 12:21, 28 November 2006 (CST)

== Possible Discontinuity ==
According to the episode, Adama and friends served on the Valkyrie a year before the attacks. This implies that Adama was only commander of the Galactica for a year before the miniseries. Yet on the Kara Thrace article, it states that Thrace "resigned from flight school as a instructor and transferred as an operational pilot aboard battlestar Galactica under the command of William Adama, where she served for some '''two years prior to the Cylon attack''' on the Twelve Colonies." They can't both be right.

Also, from the Tyrol article: "He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including Columbia, Atlantia, and Pegasus (Resistance). He has served under William Adama on Galactica for five years (Litmus)." If he served under Adama for 5 years, why didn't he mention the Valkyrie when he was being intimidated by Tigh in Resistance? This could be simply because Tigh would have known that.--[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 22:16, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:No, your first impulse is correct - it's quite certainly an error.
:'''Gaeta:''' And... may I take this opportunity to say that it's been both a pleasure and an honour to serve under you [Adama], these past three years. ([[Miniseries]])
:'''Adama:''' We [Thrace and I] talked about a lot of things. We've been aboard this ship for over two years, we know each other very well. ([[Act of Contrition]])
:'''Adama:''' She [Valerii] was more than that to us. She was more than that to me. She was a vital, living person... aboard my ship for almost two years. She couldn’t have been just a machine. Could you love a machine? ([[The Farm]])
:Also, note that the timeline in Adama's dossier (which seems to be accurate based on other data points) puts his transfer to ''Galactica'' at six years prior to the miniseries.
:--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:48, 20 November 2006 (CST)

::It is quite possible that this is not an error ''per se''. Adama and some of his command staff could easily have been assigned to the more modern Valkyrie from Galactica for the mission. It wouldn't make much sense to send "the bucket" on a stealth mission anyway. Notice Valkyrie seemed smaller and was probably more modernized, which would make it all the better for that type of mission. So Adama could easily have been in command of Galactica for several years prior, been offered command of Valkyrie as a reward, for career advancement or just for the mission... and have been pushed back to Galactica when the mission failed. Certainly the plan to decommission Galactica was in the works for some time, and they would not want one of their good commanders to retire with the ship... until after the mission where he failed. None of the characters would be expected to say "I served under Adama for some years, and some other guy for a couple of months, then Adama again." They would just say they served with him for X number of years. If we compare to the modern US Navy, this sort of thing is not all the uncommon.--[[User:Xealot|Xealot]] 10:22, 20 November 2006 (CST)
:::The dossier's progression from XO of ''Columbia'' to Commander of ''Valkyrie'' to Commander of ''Galactica'' seems to indicate that ''Valkyrie'' was his first battlestar command. Though I agree that the serve under "X years" would fly if they stayed under him. It's just the "this ship"'s that start biting them. (When they specify the ship instead of the command.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:53, 20 November 2006 (CST)

::It's really embarassing in continuity. If they had put the entire affair a few years further into the past, it would have made much more sense not only in Adamas biography, but also in the overall plot. Boomer served on ''Galactica'' for two years and probably spend some additional time at flight school, so Adama must know the Cylon infiltration started long before the Stealth-Star incident. This should really get Adama to ask himself how long the attack had been planned, though he might convince himself that the Cylons put their infiltrators in place just as a precaution and his actions led to their decision to actually use them. A few years more time between the attack and the incident would put the estimated start of Cylon infiltration (which actually could be anywhere between 2 and 20 years before the attack) around the same time, giving Adama a far more powerful reason to believe that he started it right there. I would like to think that putting the incident one year before attack was just an accident, but then it would probably become even more difficult to explain how Bulldog survived that long.

::Another point that's problematic: did ''Valkyrie'' have an integrated computer-network? Up to this episode all information we had suggested that all battlestars save ''Galactica'' had them and that it was Adamas position of ''no network on my ship'' that prevented an upgrade.

::*If ''Valkyrie'' had a network Adamas politics of ''it's all hand on here'' are somewhat harder to believe. Up to now it looked like the position of a war-veteran who opposed networks on principle, this is harder to believe if he already commanded a ship with such a network.

::*If there was no network on ''Valkyrie'', then why wasn't there one? It appears extremely unlikely that the networks were all installed in the time between the incident and the attack, though the decision cannot have been made to long before Adama took command of ''Galactica'', because the previous commander would probably have had it installed. And given that it must have been a major decision to put networks on battlestars once more it's hard to believe that the Admirality would allow commanders to pull the plug on it as they see fit. I can imagine Adamas opposition being tolerated on ''Galactica'', because it was an old battlestar nearing it's decommissioning with a design that may have been especially hard to upgrade (regardless of Gaetas patchwork in [[Scattered]]). They could have simply decided that it was not worth the effort to force Adama to accept the upgrade. But that would be hard to believe for ''Valkyrie'', if you are sending a battlestar on such a sensitive mission you want it at maximum performance. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 14:49, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:::The network thing isn't hugely problematic. We have no notion of how old ''Valkyrie'' was. ''Atlantia'' was at least 17 years old at the time of the attack (based on Adama's dossier), and was still worthy to serve as Nagala's flagship in the Miniseries. ''Galactica'' was even older. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:44, 21 November 2006 (CST)

:Adama's dossier may or may not help matters. If the screencap interpretation in the article is correct, then it is currently 21356 - based on the 45th anniversary of Adama's commissioning - which is consistent with what we know about Colonial Day and the Armistice. Therefore the Fall of the Colonies occurred in 21354, and that means the Valkyrie incident occurred in 21353 or thereabouts. However, the dossier goes on to state that Adama took command of Valkyrie in 21345, and Galactica in 21348. If the dossier is correct, then the Valkyrie incident had to take place in 21347 or 21348...which means that Adama's "graceful retirement" lasted for 6 years until the Fall. If this timeline is correct, then it basically blows all the dialogue in this episode out of the water, but validates everything we've seen and heard in the first two seasons. Of course, this is all contingent on the dossier being correctly interpreted - and I personally cannot make out the last two dates on screen. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 19:55, 21 November 2006 (CST)

::That was the conclusion we came to above. The Dossier is [[:image:dossier.png|entirely legible]] and is visible on screen for over sixty frames. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:31, 21 November 2006 (CST)

:::I missed that part. That image is a lot clearer than the screenshot I had, as well. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 10:24, 22 November 2006 (CST)

== Cylon detector problems ==

There's some inconsistency with the "Cylon Detector" that Doc Cottle used to determine that Bulldog was a human. First of all, if you look at the screen caps, [http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=56612|like this one], you can see that the screen says "-RESULTS NEGATIVE-" If he was testing the DNA against their military records, it should say "-RESULTS POSITIVE-" If it's negative, the DNA doesn't match. That, or it's supposed to be a Cylon Detector, and it's saying that he's not a Cylon. It seems like it could be a simple goof between dialogue and props.

However, going along with the DNA reasoning... that doesn't necessarily prove anything, does it? If they tested Boomer's DNA against the DNA they have on record for her, I assume it's going to match, since they probably took Cylon DNA initially. Who's to say that the same thing didn't happen to Bulldog? In that case, his DNA would match, but he'd be a Cylon. Seems like a poor determiner of race, that's all. I don't think that he's necessarily a Cylon, just that this is another "oops."

--It might prove something...if the Colonials have DNA records going all the way back to a person's birth. If they're matching against that kind of original record (heck, maybe they even have the parents' records, too), then that may well constitute proof. [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:06, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:Did you think that maybe the "-RESULTS NEGATIVE-" bit came from searching for cylon synthetic particles? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:40, 27 November 2006 (CST)

::Also, remember that the Cylon detector is still set up to read "green" (human) for all results. I think it's safe to say that Bulldog ''isn't'' a Cylon, but I'm wondering when the crew will figure that out. It's purely speculation but, given that Gaeta seems to have taken over Baltar's lab, he may discover the setup in the near future. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 10:16, 27 November 2006 (CST)

== Moved content ==

Folks, stuff like this needs to be removed (or reworded) on sight. Right now, this document reads a bit like it's arguing with itself. Before adding content that seems to contradict itself, please discuss it on the talk page -- that's what this feature is for.

Below, here's what I've removed thus far from the article that contradicts itself. Stuff like this, ''again'', must be hashed out on talk pages before entering the main article space. Thank you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:52, 20 November 2006 (CST)

=== Removed content ===

*[[Dualla]] apparently served on the Valkyrie; she can be seen in the background standing behind Adama and Tigh in the flashback scenes.
**That person in the scene is most likley not Dualla; it's not easy to see because the flashback-scenes in the CIC have (deliberatly) not the best quality.

== Adama's Dossier ==
I feel that the dossier info should be moved to its own article. It really isn't a "standard" part of an episode article. Or if there is enough room for it in [[William Adama]], maybe move it to that article. A lot of room dedicated to what is pretty much a sidenote for the events that occur in the episode itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:17, 24 November 2006 (CST)
: I agree. The best place for it is in the [[William Adama]] article, in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:03, 24 November 2006 (CST)
:: How about putting the dossier info in [[William Adama]] and the details of the analysis about dates into [[Timeline (RDM)]]? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:13, 25 November 2006 (CST)
::: Great idea! I'm for it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:51, 25 November 2006 (CST)

== Bullsh*t ==
In the iTunes download, Adama said "bullshit attitude" to Bulldog. In the SciFi version, it was bleeped out, was it not?
:What time count? I'll check --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:28, 24 November 2006 (CST)
::It was definately bleeped out in the SciFi broadcast. I noticed it while watching it last week. It's when Adama is talking with Bulldog shortly after he is rescued from the Cylons. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:59, 24 November 2006 (CST)
:::It survived the Canadian broadcast on SPACE. I remember I smiled when I heard it and thought "how the hell did they get away with that in the states?" For some reason anything short of fuck coasts by unedited on Canadian basic cable. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 19:52, 24 November 2006 (CST)
:::: I'm Canadian and I should probably know more about this than I do, but a friend who worked in broadcasting for years told me it was because the CRTC goes by a complaint system for censoring profanity, whereas the FCC actively polices the American airwaves. One Vancouver TV station aired the South Park movie uncut and unbleeped last Canada Day (at around 3 in the morning). --[[User:Steve|Steve]] 06:33, 25 November 2006 (CST)
::::: Considering that [[w:CityTV|CityTV]] airs softcore porn every friday night at 1:30am, I'm really not surprised. They've also started broadcasting ''Battlestar'' reruns recently. ;) --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 03:49, 30 November 2006 (CST)
:Yeah, the bullshit was bleeped out. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:54, 24 November 2006 (CST)
::The thing I've never gotten is, we have other shows here with all sorts of colorful language, short of f***. So why the edit? These clueless mofos need to get one (a clue). This is the way people talk. --[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 14:27, 25 November 2006 (CST)
:::Its unlikely to be bleeped out when it airs in the UK :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:38, 29 November 2006 (CST)
::Joe, is there a Wiki policy on profanities? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:09, 29 November 2006 (CST)
:::We don't have a written policy on profanity specifically, short of the [[BW:CIVIL]]. For instance, it is acceptable to use the word "fuck" in the article on "[[frak]]" because of the obvious correlation. On the other hand, it is unacceptable to tell a contributor to go "frak themselves and their little dog too". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:28, 30 November 2006 (CST)

Its the same way on myspace Snorkel378

== Three's Opera house Scene ==

I was wondering if someone could elucidate their theories a little further on Three's opera house scene. The comments on this article seem to suggest that Three had never seen the opera house before. However, on first viewing the episode it seemed to me that she was ''trying'' to get there. Isn't that the reason she asked the centurion to kill her in the first place? (If not, what's her motivation for doing so when she ''knows'' that she will resurrect -- she's not escaping anything!) And her comments directly after she wakes up in the resurrection chamber seem to suggest that she doesn't need time to "process" what she's seen -- she's more confirming that yes, there is something there. i.e.- I've seen it before, I wasn't sure of what I was seeing, but now I ''know'' what I'm seeing and I want to tell the others about it.

Did anyone else interpret it this way? Or just me? --[[User:Wolf530|Wolf530]] 10:08, 25 November 2006 (CST)

:I think that her dreams pushed her into it. However, I don't think that she knew exactly what. My theory using spoilers and rumors (major fanwanking):

{{spoiltext|It has been hinted by RDM and Eick that an entire model will be boxed. Another rumor is that the remaining five have been boxed. Five figures were shown in white robes. Maybe the remaining models were boxed because they started doing what Three is doing now. Committing suicide to find the mystery that plagues their dreams.}}
:--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:06, 25 November 2006 (CST)
did anyone see left side one of five figures has a neckless or medal--[[User:mustah|mustah]]

== No Definitive Proof of "Cylon" (removed Question) ==

I removed this question- 
''*Why did the Cylons have one craft jump in and fire on the stealth star and then jump out, then sending two more ships to finish the attack?''
... and replaced it with this question- 
''*Just what exactly was the "Unknown" craft that jumped near Stealth-Star, disabled it, and then jumped away? Whose was it? Where did it come from?''

By reviewing the sequence and examining both the DRADIS screen and character dialog, there is no ''definitive'' proof that the first craft detected, that damages Stealth-Star (whether by weapon or collision), is a Cylon. It is tagged as '''"UNKNOWN"''', and remains as such through the entirety of the sequence. The next two contacts are tagged as '''"UNKNOWN"''' as well, but we can ''deduce'' (notice, I don't use the word ''assume'') that these are Cylons responding to some kind of alert and investigating. However, they too are not referred to as ''Cylon'' contacts.

In fact, if we "rewind" back to Adama's original explanation-of-events (with Novacek present) to President Roslin, Adama states that it was the Tauron miners that shot Novacek down. Granted, such a statement is probably conjecture, speculative, and the "official, on the book" account of the event. In any case, there is no proof that it was a Cylon at the cause of Novacek's wreck.

I see three possibilities: A) Bulldog was interdicted by a Cylon, B) Bulldog was interdicted by the Taurons, or (and this is the one that gives ya chills) C) he was ''set up by Colonial High Command'' (without Adama's knowledge) to be bait. Point is, though, we don't ''know'', at this juncture, which it was. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 02:29, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Hero

2006-12-01T08:10:20Z

Hawke: /* Questions */ Changed a question regarding veracity of "Unknown" versus "Cylon". See Discussion.

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{{Episode Data
| title= Hero
| image= Season 3 - Promo - Hero -Adama Tigh and Novacek.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 8
| guests= [[Carl Lumbly]]
| writer= [[David Eick]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-11-17
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,421
| prev= [[A Measure of Salvation]]
| next= [[Unfinished Business]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''A [[Bulldog|figure]] from [[William Adama|Adama]]'s past returns to haunt him. His return raises questions about why the Cylons launched their initial attack against the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].''

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ===

* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' detects three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]. Much to the surpise of the [[CIC]] crew, two Raiders are pursuing a third Raider, damaged by Cylon gunfire. [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] are dispatched. After destroying the pursuing Raiders, they go after the third.
* In CIC, [[Admiral Adama]] orders Kat and Starbuck to escort the Raider to ''Galactica'', after hearing, from the Raider, a familiar human voice and callsign: [[Bulldog]].
* In the hangar bay, Adama and the party are surprised that a human has exited the Raider. A visibly weak Daniel Novacek salutes Adama; Adama returns the salute.
* Over a meal (noodles eaten with chopsticks) Adama asks Novachek how he escaped. He relates a story of plague on the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and escaping after killing a [[Number Three]] with a blow to the nose delivered through the cell bars.
* Bulldog is debriefed by the [[Laura Roslin|President]] with Adama present, where they tell a (decidedly shaky) story of a mining facility too close to the Armistice Line. When the briefing ends, Roslin immediately questions Adama's story. He replies that it is "his mess" and that he resolve it. After she leaves, Adama kicks over a table in frustration.
* Novachek sees [[Saul Tigh]] in his quarters shortly after Adama talks to him. Tigh informs Novacek that Adama (aboard battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'') ordered Novachek shot down to get rid of evidence of their incursion into Cylon space.
*Meanwhile, Adama confesses the mission's actual specifics to his son, [[Lee Adama|Lee]], and his belief that he provoked the Cylon attacks on the Colonies. Aghast at first, Lee Adama tries to console his father, blaming the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet Admiralty]], saying that he was "only one man." Adama responds, "It only takes one."
* [[Kara Thrace]] reviews their Viper's gun film from the fight with the Cylon Raiders and realizes that the Cylons were deliberately missing their target, letting Bulldog get away. She goes to Saul Tigh with this information, who deduces that Bulldog was sent there by the Cylons to kill the admiral.
* Tigh finds Novacek in the process of killing Adama and stops him. Bulldog has flashbacks to being let out of his cell.
* Later, Adama presents his resignation to Roslin. Bemused, she refuses to accept it, and points out that the Admiralty may have been trying to provoke a war, and that he cannot shoulder the entire responsiblity for the holocaust on his shoulders. She then tells him that his penance will be to accept a [[Medal of Distinction]] for his long years of service, and to be a hero, a trait badly needed for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's morale]].
* After sending Novacek off to a berthing on another ship with a uniform, Tigh and Adama sit down for a drink in the admiral's quarters to discuss what happened to [[Ellen Tigh]] on [[New Caprica]].

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===
*In a dream, [[Three]] is trying to avoid marines on ''[[Galactica]]''. The marines corner her against a hatch labelled "End of Line." The marines raise their weapons and Three tells them to shoot.
*As the shots go off, Three wakes up in bed with [[Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]]. She has apparently been having a sexual relationship with Baltar and possibly Six as well.
*In the Cylon control room, Caprica-Six questions Three about her bad dreams. Caprica Six asks if the dreams are about Baltar. Three indicates otherwise, but does not elaborate.
*Three gives a [[Cylon Centurion]] orders to shoot her, and then delete any information regarding the incident. The Centurion obeys and shoots her in the head. In the moments before she is downloaded, she experiences images from her dream mixed in with memories from New Caprica and other more cryptic scenes.
*Three awakes in a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]] where a Three, Five, Six, and Eight help her recover. The downloaded Three tells her counterpart, "There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death."

== Questions ==
*Were the Admiralty's fears valid, or was the Cylon force that destroyed the Colonies built up just since that mission?
*Did Bulldog know of or see other human prisoners during his three years of captivity?
*How was Bulldog directed to the precise location of the fleet?
*What class of battlestar does ''[[Valkyrie]]'' belong to?
*Why would a "Stealth Ship" in enemy territory break radio silence?
*Was ''[[Valkyrie]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s mission the only one the admiralty undertook or were there others?
*Was [[Laura Roslin]] right in speculating that the admiralty might have sent ''[[Valkyrie]]'' in order to provoke a war?
*Just what exactly was the "Unknown" craft that jumped near Stealth-Star, disabled it, and then jumped away? Whose was it? Where did it come from?
*Who were the five white-robed figures [[Three]] saw in her vision before downloading? Are they related to the Original Series's [[Beings of Light]]? Could they represent the mysterious "Final Five" Cylons?
*Were the Cylons on the baseship where Bulldog was held actually sick?
*Does Bulldog have information regarding the other humanoid Cylon models that nothing is known of?
*How did Baltar's status change from torturee in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" to an apparent sexual relationship with [[Caprica Six]] and [[Number Three]]?
* Was Adama's whole command staff transferred from the ''[[Valkyrie]] ''to ''[[Galactica]]'' after the failure of the recon mission?
*Why did Number three go through all the trouble to program the Centurion to erase its memory once it shot her? Was she afraid of being 'boxed' by the other Cylons for reasons of insanity or because it would do some sort of damage on the Centurion once its processed the kill?
*If Adama was truly responsible for the destruction of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], was this why the Cylons assigned numerous [[Cylon agent]]s to ''Galactica'' at the time of the attack ([[Sharon Valerii]] and [[Aaron Doral]])? Is this also the reason why [[Leoben Conoy]] was on [[Ragnar Anchorage|Ragnar]] when ''Galactica'' arrived there?
*If the flashback where [[Bulldog]] kills a copy of [[Number Three]] is true, then does that mean that the virus first shown in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" is even more widespread amongst the Cylons?

== Analysis ==
*Adama and Roslin know each other well enough by now to tell when the other is lying, or is not fooled by a lie, even when others around can't. Roslin has always been the better of the two in this ability, as early as revealing Adama's initial ruse about the location of [[Earth]] ([[Miniseries]]).
*At the end of the episode, [[Saul Tigh]] appears to be attempting to try and deal with his guilt over his wife, but he does not seem to want his job as XO back, at least not any time soon.
*Adama's feelings of guilt over his actions during ''[[Valkyrie]]'s'' mission seem to shed new light on the motivation for his speech at ''[[Galactica]]'s'' decomissioning ceremony at the begining of the series. Also, they explain his near-monomania with safeguarding and/or rescuing those under his command or protection.
*The Cylons seem to have been able to detect and destroy The [[Stealth Star]] that had only entered two kilometers into their space. This seems suspicious given the fact that they were unable to detect the [[Blackbird]], presumably a far less sophisticated design. Either the Cylons had more advanced detection equipment on the [[Armistice Line]], or they had advance knowledge of Bulldog's mission.
**It is only speculation that the Blackbird's stealth capabilities were less effective than those of the Stealth Star. The reason that the Blackbird went undetected by the Cylons is that its hull, at Helo's suggestion, was made of carbon composite. There is no way of knowing whether or not this was true of the Stealth Star.
***In addition, the Cylons near the [[Armistice Line]] would have known to look for stealth ships, as they probably suspected that the Colonial fleet would try to gain intel on Cylon military status. After the destruction of the colonies, it is unlikely that the Cylons believed that the Colonials were still in possession of any kind of stealth fighter and would not attempt to detect one.
***The fact that the Cylons expected penetration by stealth ships suggests that they may have done their share of Armistice Line violation.
****We know that the cylons violated the armistice line (assuming the treaty wasn't one-sided); there were cylon agents buzzing around the colonies at that time. The Colonial intent was to provoke the cylons; sending a stealth ship wouldn't do that. Notice that Bulldog had open comm channels and an active DRADIS during the sequence; this would have made the stealth ship visible to the Cylons. Presumably, they intended to be seen, but at the first sign of trouble, go silent.
**Bulldog was communicating to the Valkyrie before being attacked. The Cylons may have been able to detect this radiation and fire at the source of it.
**It is possible that the [[Stealth Star]] had a transponder beacon which allowed the [[Valkyrie]] to track and target it, whereas the [[Blackbird]] most likely did not have a transponder installed at time of its first flight.
*Bulldog's story is even less believable given the fact that it took Kara Thrace several hours to gut a [[Raider]] and learn how to fly it. Granted, the Raider Kara captured was damaged, but it would still have taken Bulldog some time to adapt the raider for his own use.
**As the episode implies that Bulldog was deliberately released by the Cylons in an effort to direct his anger towards Adama, it is possible that the Cylons allowed Bulldog to gain a working knowledge of the raider.
*Bulldog probably could have stolen a Heavy Raider, which unlike the light versions seems to have a crew compartment and perhaps piloting controls, but then the production crew couldn't have re-used the captured-Raider prop from "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]" on the flight deck set.
*Kara Thrace going to Tigh with her findings is an acknowledgment of their shared semi-pariah status and the connection that was shown in "[[Collaborators]]" for the first time.
*The last two scenes of "Hero" appear to have been edited to ensure that the final scene was with Adama and Tigh. Right after the celebration scene, Adama is seen giving Bulldog a new uniform, but Adama is wearing his everyday uniform. In the final scene with Tigh, Adama is wearing his dress grays from the celebration. It appears at the very least, the two scenes were in reverse order, meaning the episode originally ended with Adama giving Bulldog his new uniform.
*During her non-corporeal limbo between death and download, Three finds herself reliving a mismash of memories from her various lives, including her final moments during "[[Downloaded]]" before her death, her discovery of Hera on New Caprica ("[[Exodus, Part II]]"), and also a memory we do not know her to have experienced: the opera house revealed to Baltar by his internal Six during the final moments of "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
**This sequence, as well as this episode as a whole, showcases a number of fundamental BSG leitmotivs that have had little to no exposure in their original form since the end of season one/beginning of season two. The sound, as well as the imagery, reminds us that we've seen the opera house before, and the associated musical themes will likely help elucidate the symbolism behind the two visions.
*Three's flashbacks after being shot by the centurion indicate that she is the same individual who was killed on Caprica by [[Caprica-Six]] in "[[Downloaded]]" and who found Hera in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". It is of course possible that some of these recollections are the result of memory-sharing rather than direct experience.
**If she is the same Three that died on Caprica, that leaves the question how it can be that she didn't get the Opera House experience on her first death, even though she was stuck in limbo for thirty-six hours because of the massive casualties at the cafe in [[Downloaded]]. It is plausible that this Three wanted to die because she'd never experienced death before.
***It is also plausible that God is only just now trying to tell her something. The opera house may act as a cue, a signal sent from God that facilitates reflection on one's own destiny at a pivotal point in their existence, when it is no longer acceptable to ignore their role in God's plan out of arrogance or inconvenience (Baltar, "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" ), or because it seems a contradiction of the identity they'd formed by refusing to question their fate (Three, from the final days of the Occupation through "Hero"). In both cases, the opera house is revealed to a soul straddling the line between life and death, both in a physical and spiritual sense, and it is perhaps this balance that can uniquely invoke the presence of God, and guide the chosen instruments towards their intended destiny.
****It is interesting to note the central role Hera plays in both of the visions that bring us to the opera house.
*There's at least [[Stoffa|one other doctor]] of some kind in the fleet, because Cottle instructs Bulldog to report to him.
**This doctor is probably a psychotherapist that specializes in some sort of mental trauma issues. Considering that Bulldog was in captivity for such a long time, and his breakdown while attacking Adama, at the very least, Bulldog will need a counselor to help him work through all of the emotional and mental scars that he's endured. Cottle had already confirmed that Bulldog was generally well cared for, physically, by the Cylons.
**A psychotherapist is still, after a fashion, a medical professional. It is interesting that, after all the fuss about Cottle being the only doctor in the Fleet, suddenly mention is made of this other doctor.
***This medical professional could be a [[Wikipedia:Psychologist|clinical psychologist]], a person who provides mental health care and may possess a Ph.D., but is not a medical doctor capable of physically treating patients or prescribing medication. This description better fits the post-traumatic stress Novacek likely suffered in captivity.
*Based on the Raider's apparently staged attack, the Cylons appear to know the current location of the Fleet.
*It appears that the Admiralty transferred those directly involved with the mission to ''Galactica''. This is supported by Gaeta made a statement during the [[Mini-series|miniseries]] about serving with Adama for three years (prior to the attack), as well as Tigh's comment saying that the mission, "wasn't exactly a boon to [Adama's] career." Adama also mentions that [[Galen Tyrol]] had served under him for five years ([[Litmus]]).

== Notes ==
*Laura Roslin reviews a [[:Image:Dossier.png |dossier]] prepared for her by [[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] on her first day aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. It includes large photos of battlestar ''Galactica'', a photograph of the CIC crew of ''[[Valkyrie]]'', a (mostly illegible) certificate bearing [[Saul Tigh]]'s name, and a cursory biography of William Adama. This biographical information as been intergrated into [[William Adama]] article. Also, analysis of Colonial dates used in the dossier can be found in the [[Timeline %28RDM%29#Analysis of Colonial Dates |Timeline (RDM)]] article.

*In Adama's flashback, the admirals are wearing their decorations on their day uniforms. This contrasts with most Colonial Fleet officers shown thus far, who only wear their decorations on their dress uniform sash.

*Both [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] appear in this episode, but neither has any lines.

*In Number Three's dream, the door at which she is shot by the marines is labeled "End of Line". As well as being a metaphor for death, this is a statement repeated often by the Cylon [[Hybrid]].

*This episode shares some plot elements with the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode, "[[MemoryAlpha:The Defector|The Defector]]," written by Moore. Notably, it begins with a dramatic chase delivering a dubious ally into friendly hands that is later shown to be staged. Additionally, both episodes feature plots revolving around a contested border.

* For the episode, [[Bear McCreary]] created a musical theme for Novacek, called "Novacek's Theme", which was "very much inspired by [[w:Alfred Hitchcock|Hitchcock]]'s collaborations with composer [[w:Bernard Herrmann|Bernard Herrmann]]". <ref name="bear_mccreary">{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm|title="Hero"|date=17 November 2006|accessdate=25 November 2006|last=McCreary|first=Bear|format=blog|language=English}}</ref>

*Admiral William Adama names Major Lee Adama to succeed him as commander of ''Galactica'' in his [[:Image:3x8-Hero-ResignationLetter.jpg | resignation letter]].

*The white figures briefly glimpsed by Number Three in her vision of the Opera House look very similar to the "[[Beings of Light]]" from the Original Series, particularly as they appeared in [[War of the Gods, Part II]]. They are seen in both this and that episode as figures in white hoods and robes with whited-out faces and black eyes.

*Galactica is in possession of another [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]].

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Speaking to another Number Three after downloading:''
:'''Number Three''': There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death.

*''Bulldog calls on Saul Tigh at Saul's quarters:
:'''Tigh''': So ... drink?
:'''Bulldog''': You have no idea!
:'''Tigh''' (scowling, unseen): Yes, I do.

== Official Statements ==
*A video blog gives an insight to this episode during filming. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=34824|title=Introducing Bulldog|date=2006-10-11|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=VID|language=}}</ref>
*[[Bear McCreary]] discusses writing "Noavcek's Theme" on his web blog:
*: In general, I only write thematic material for characters who matter in the grand scheme of the series, in hopes that the character will return at a later point in the story. In rare cases I make an exception in order to give a guest star a particularly resonant musical voice. For example, [[Bill Duke]]'s [[Phelan]] from [[Season 2 (2005-06)|season two]]'s [[Black Market]] required his own theme, since all the events of the episode led up to his eventual stand-off with [[Lee Adama|Lee]].
*:
*:Hero was obviously another such case. Novacek's mysterious past drives nearly every scene in the entire show, and it was clear he required his own theme as well.<ref name="bear_mccreary"/>

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
*[[Carl Lumbly]] as Lt. [[Daniel Novacek]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
*[[imdb:nm0447921|Barry Kennedy]] as Admiral [[Corman]]
* [[imdb:nm0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)

== References ==
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Pegasus (TRS)

2006-11-26T15:48:41Z

Hawke:

:''This article discusses the [[Mercury class battlestar]] from the [[Re-imagined Series]]. ''
:''For information on the ship's debut episode, see [[Pegasus (episode)]]. For information on the [[Original Series]] [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] of the same name, see [[Pegasus (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data|
image= BSPegasus.jpg
| title= Pegasus (BS 62)
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Approximately 1,750
| co= [[Lee Adama]] (At time of loss)
| xo= [[Anastasia Dualla]] (At time of loss)
| role= Carrier / Battleship
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, Vipers, Raptors
| status= Destroyed in [[Battle of New Caprica]]
| img= Y
}}
'''''Pegasus'' (BS 62)''' was a [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]], originally commanded by Admiral [[Helena Cain]].

Much more advanced in size, strength, and technology than the decommissioned battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'', ''Pegasus'' had been presumed destroyed in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] by the [[The Fleet (RDM)|last of humanity]]. In actuality it survived, reunited with ''Galactica'' and the civilian fleet, and served a significant role in the Colonial struggle for survival until the [[Battle of New Caprica|exodus]] from [[New Caprica]].

==History==
While ''Pegasus'' was advanced enough to have the [[Command Navigation Program]] installed, which the Cylons used as a backdoor, ''Pegasus'' had just checked in to the [[Scorpian Fleet Shipyards]] for a three-month refit at the time of the Cylon attack. As such, almost all of its networked [[Computers|computer]] systems were offline. As a result, the Cylons were not able to immobilize the ship using computer infiltration. Combined with the sheer luck of the multiple targets that the Cylons enjoyed, the nuclear detonations temporarily blinded the Cylon [[DRADIS]]. Her options limited, Admiral Cain ordered her ship to [[Blind jump|randomly jump without a coordinates check]].

While saving the battlestar, the risky blind jump was not the end of their troubles. An indeterminate amount of time later, a [[Cylon agent]] known as [[Gina]] allowed a party of [[Cylon Centurion]]s to board the ship, resulting in approximately 700 deaths. When Gina was discovered, she killed 7 men before she was subdued. Once imprisoned, ''Pegasus''' commander instituted a new policy of Cylon interrogation for Gina: by brutal gang-rape.

After their escape, ''Pegasus'' occupied itself with hit-and-run attacks on various Cylon assets. It participated in a bold assault on a staging area filled with fifteen squadrons of [[Raider]]s. When Cain's long-time [[Executive officer]] expressed hesitancy to launch the ships' fighters against such odds, Cain publicly executed him on the bridge and promoted [[Jack Fisk]] to replace him. Fisk tells this story (and later recants it) while drunk to Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]], which Tigh believed to be true when he recounts it in turn to Commander Adama.

Some time later, ''Pegasus'' discovered that a Cylon fleet it was tracking appeared to be jumping, not randomly, but to systems with natural resources. The battlestar accidentally encountered [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] led by battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' when ''Pegasus'' jumped ahead to scout the Cylon target's projected next position (as it turned out, the Cylons were jumping to systems ''Galactica'' had passed through or explored). Cain assumes overall command of the Fleet and began transferring supplies and many personnel between the two battlestars, including Captain [[Lee Adama]] and Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]]. Cain appeared unconcerned with the needs of the civilians and their ships, a problem noted to Commander Adama by President [[Laura Roslin]].

Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] mentioned during his interrogation by Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] that he served aboard a number of battlestars in his military career, including ''Pegasus'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). If Admiral Cain ever knew him during this time, she makes no mention of it, and has no reservations sentencing him and [[Karl Agathon]] to death when they inadvertently kill Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne]], Cain's chief "Cylon interrogator". [[William Adama]], commander of ''Galactica'', refuses to permit the execution, precipitating an armed standoff between the two ships ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

The battlestar commanders later set aside their animosity and join forces to successfully destroy the Resurrection Ship. However in the midst of celebration, Cain is killed by Gina, who escapes from the battlestar ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

Admiral Cain is succeeded by [[Jack Fisk]], who in turn is murdered after running afoul of the Fleet's illicit black market ([[Black Market]]). ''Pegasus'' is briefly commanded by engineer-turned-commander [[Barry Garner]], who dies saving the ship during the [[Battle of the Binary Star System]]. ''Pegasus''' final commander was [[Lee Adama]], with his wife [[Anastasia Dualla]] later serving as his XO.

''Pegasus'' becomes unofficially known as "The Beast" within the Fleet, although it is not known if the nickname came from her tenacity in combat or the battlestar's sordid crew history ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

==New Caprica==

Following the founding of [[New Caprica]], ''Pegasus'' is assigned to the Orbital Defense Force that protects the planet. During this time, Commander [[Lee Adama]] keeps an emergency supply of medication aboard for the pilots, despite the fact that their crew are severely depleted due to colonization of the planet. One year after the founding the colony, the Cylons return in force. Unable to defend the planet, ''Pegasus'' and the remaining ships orbiting the planet jump away ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

Four months later, ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' plan a rescue mission to recover the people left on the planet ([[Occupation]]). While the plans initially called for the involvement of ''Pegasus'' in the recovery, Admiral Adama decides that the remnants of the Fleet, the last free people of humanity, should not be left unprotected if things went awry. Adama takes ''Galactica'' in the rescue effort without ''Pegasus'', ordering his son to stay with the Fleet at a rendezvous point to await their return ([[Precipice]], [[Exodus, Part I]]).

Despite Adama's orders, ''Pegasus'' leaves her fighters to protect the remains of the Fleet and returns to New Caprica to participate in the rescue. ''Pegasus'' jumps into the fight and finds ''Galactica'' under fire from four Cylon basestars. ''Pegasus'' destroys one of the baseships with her forward batteries and attracts the attention of the others while ''Galactica'' repairs its FTL drive and prepares to jump away.

''Pegasus'' reels from the onslought of missiles from the remaining Cylon basestars. It becomes clear to Admiral Adama that ''Pegasus's'' trip was one-way. Following ''Galactica's'' jump, Commander Adama sets his battlestar's batteries on auto-fire and orders the crew to abandon ship, pausing just long enough to give his dying command a quiet thanks. As the evacuation Raptors jump away, ''Pegasus'', now completely unmanned, collides with a basestar, destroying it. As ''Pegasus'' explodes, the remains of her starboard [[flight pod]] collides with another basestar, destroying it as well ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

==A Lost Civilian Fleet==

It was later revealed that ''Pegasus'' originally had its own small fleet of 15 civilian ships, found about a week after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The tiny caravan was equipped with FTL drives and weapons. Rather than defending them (as ''Galactica'' had at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]), Admiral Cain saw them as potential spare parts for ''Pegasus'', and decided that ''Pegasus' '' military needs were a priority over them. The civilian ships were stripped for parts, including their weapons and FTL drives, marooning them and leaving them completely at the mercy of the Cylons when Cain left.

However not all of the civilians were left to die. After looking over the passenger lists, Cain selected those civilians who she thought would be of value (such as [[Peter Laird]], an aeronautical engineer), forcibly drafting them into her crew. However, fifteen 'selectees' aboard the civilian transport ''[[Scylla]]'' were traveling with their families and refused to leave without them. Admiral Cain ordered her marines to kill two families (men, women, and children) to shock the rest into submission. ''Pegasus'' then abandoned the civilian ships to pursue Admiral Cain's campaign of hit-and-run attacks against Cylon forces ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).

==Equipment==
[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown3.jpg|thumb|right|Pegasus taking heavy fire]]
In the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Extended Cut]] of the episode "Pegasus" Admiral Cain states that the ship is nearly twice the size of ''Galactica'', but needs only half the crew. This probably refers to either the dual [[landing bay|landing bays]] or the ship's volume, but not its length. The decreased manpower requirement stems from increased computerization and automation. This is also evident in the comparatively small size of the ''Pegasus'' [[CIC]].
[[Image:PegasusForeBatteries.jpg|thumb|right|Pegasus firing her forward batteries]]

''Pegasus'' operates at least four [[Viper Mark VII]] squadrons, all verbally identified in the episode "[[The Captain's Hand]]":
*[[Red Squadron (RDM)|Red Squadron]]
*[[Yellow Squadron]]
*[[Green Squadron]]
*[[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]]

It is possible that these designations are just [[wireless]] code names and not formal, standing squadrons. The colors and group leaders could be assigned on an ad-hoc basis, while a more formal structure exists in the background; such as the [[Vigilantes]] on ''Galactica''. However, these squadrons are also marked on DRADIS as such. ([[The Captain's Hand]])

''Pegasus'' has [[Viper Mark VII]] production facilities ([[Scar]]). This is a capability that would allow the ship to be self sufficient on extended deployments, so long as the battlestar has sufficient means to gather the raw materials necessary for construction.

In "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" ''Pegasus'' is shown to have built in electronic countermeasure (ECM) generators as it deviates missiles away from the ship.

==Crew==
====Senior Staff at Time of Destruction====
*Commander [[Lee Adama]] - Commanding Officer
*Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]] - [[Executive Officer]]
*Lieutenant [[Hoshi]] - Communications or [[Tactical Officer]]

====Former Members of the Senior Staff====
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]] - Commanding Officer (Killed by [[Gina]])
*Commander [[Jack Fisk]] - Commanding Officer (Killed by racketeers in the [[Black market (organization)|black market]])
*Commander [[Barry Garner]] - Commanding Officer (Killed in action)
*Captain [[Cole Taylor]] - [[CAG|Commander, Air Group]] (Demoted by Admiral Cain)
*Captain [[Kara Thrace]] - Commander, Air Group (Replaced Cole Taylor in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]" but transferred to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in "[[The Captain's Hand]]")
*Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne]] - Cylon Interrogator (Killed by [[Galen Tyrol]])

==Notes==
*According to [[David Eick]]'s video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of ''Pegasus'' on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, eventually using them for "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]". The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.
*This ship is named after [[w:Pegasus|the winged horse from Greek mythology]].

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Pegasus01.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Front view    
Image:Pegasus_Hi-Res_1a.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Vipers landing    
Image:Pegasus_Hi-Res_5a.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Gun batteries    
Image:Pegasus_Hi-Res_3a.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Next to ''Galactica''    
Image:Pegasus 217 1080i rescale.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Side angle    
Image:Pegasus2_217_1080i_rescale.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Reverse side    
Image:Pegasus flight pod turret.jpg|''Pegasus'' flight pod turrets
Image:Pegasus engine room.jpg|A part of ''Pegasus'''s engine room.
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Talk:Hero/Archive2

2006-11-19T17:59:13Z

Hawke:

Armistice Line

2006-11-19T07:33:04Z

Hawke: some wording needed to be changed around to be more neutral and appropriate to the events as they transpired

[[Image:3x8-Armistice-Line.jpg|thumb|right|The Armistice Line on ''Valkyrie's'' [[DRADIS]] ([[Hero]])]]
The '''Armistice Line''' is the border between Cylon and Colonial territories, drawn out by the [[Cimtar Peace Accords]].

One year prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], Commander [[William Adama]] of [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] ''[[Valkyrie]]'' was ordered by Admiral [[Corman]] on a secret mission to reconnoiter [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] space in order to evaluate the scope of their potential military operations. To do so, Adama sent Lieutenant [[Daniel Novacek]] in a [[Stealth Star|stealth ship]] over the Armistice Line, where Novacek was intercepted by a lone, unidentified enemy transient.

In a vain attempt to cover up the trespass, Adama fired a ship-to-ship missile at the now-stricken stealth craft, destroying it. Unbeknownst to the Commander, Novacek had managed to eject from the craft prior to its destruction and was subsequently captured by the Cylons.

Up until the time of Novacek's return after the [[Second Exodus]], and resulting interactions with [[Saul Tigh]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], Adama had believed that this trespass led to the Cylon attack against the Colonies ([[Hero]]).

It is a matter of suspect that [[Cylon agent]]s had been violating the Armistice Line for some time prior to Adama's transgression.

==See Also==
*[[Armistice Station]]

==External links==
* [[Wikipedia:Korean Demilitarized Zone|Korean Demilitarized Zone]] on [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]]

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Armistice Line

2006-11-19T07:27:37Z

Hawke:

[[Image:3x8-Armistice-Line.jpg|thumb|right|The Armistice Line on 'Valkyries' [[DRADIS]] ([[Hero]])]]
The '''Armistice Line''' is the border between Cylon and Colonial territories, drawn out by the [[Cimtar Peace Accords]].

One year prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], Commander [[William Adama]] of [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] ''[[Valkyrie]]'' was ordered by Admiral [[Corman]] on a secret mission to reconnoiter [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] space in order to evaluate the scope of their potential military operations. To do so, Adama sent Lieutenant [[Daniel Novacek]] in a [[Stealth Star|stealth ship]] over the Armistice Line, where Novacek was intercepted by a lone Cylon Raider.

In a vain attempt to cover up the trespass, Adama fired a ship-to-ship missile at Novacek, who ejected from the craft prior to its destruction and was subsequently captured by the Cylons.

Up until the time of Novacek's return after the [[Second Exodus]], and resulting interactions with [[Saul Tigh]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], Adama had believed that this trespass led to the Cylon attack against the Colonies ([[Hero]]).

It is a matter of suspect that [[Cylon agent]]s had been violating the Armistice Line for some time prior to Adama's transgression.

==See Also==
*[[Armistice Station]]

==External links==
* [[Wikipedia:Korean Demilitarized Zone|Korean Demilitarized Zone]] on [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]]

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Shannon Adama

2006-11-19T07:22:04Z

Hawke: Categorized

'''Evelyn Adama''' was the wife of [[Joseph Adama]] and mother of [[William Adama]]. She was an accountant. ([[Hero]])

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Joseph Adama

2006-11-19T07:20:53Z

Hawke: Added connection to Evelyn Adama

'''Joseph Adama''' was the father of [[William Adama]]. He apparently hailed from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Adama was a civil liberties lawyer ([[Litmus]]).

William remarked that he thought Joseph was a better father than he ever was ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).
Joseph always carried a silver lighter into his cases; he considered it good luck, and claimed he only lost a case when he left it at home. He later gave it to William, who, after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|holocaust]], loaned it to [[Lee Adama|his own son]] as a token of luck for a crucial mission ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). It was returned to him after the mission's success.

Before going to trial Joseph would aways break pencils before entering the courtroom as a reminder to "break preconceptions" and "work with what you had." He would then ask to borrow a pencil from the clerk. William told [[Laura Roslin]] about this ritual before her upcoming Presidential debate, leading her to try it herself ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

Joseph's wife was named [[Evelyn Adama|Evelyn]].

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Joseph Adama

2006-11-19T07:19:04Z

Hawke:

'''Joseph Adama''' was the father of [[William Adama]]. He apparently hailed from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Adama was a civil liberties lawyer ([[Litmus]]).

William remarked that he thought Joseph was a better father than he ever was ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).
Joseph always carried a silver lighter into his cases; he considered it good luck, and claimed he only lost a case when he left it at home. He later gave it to William, who, after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|holocaust]], loaned it to [[Lee Adama|his own son]] as a token of luck for a crucial mission ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). It was returned to him after the mission's success.

Before going to trial Joseph would aways break pencils before entering the courtroom as a reminder to "break preconceptions" and "work with what you had." He would then ask to borrow a pencil from the clerk. William told [[Laura Roslin]] about this ritual before her upcoming Presidential debate, leading her to try it herself ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

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Talk:Stealthstar/Archive 1

2006-11-18T18:01:30Z

Hawke:

== FTL Drive? ==
How are we so certain that this recon craft had a FTL drive? If I recall, such a topic wasn't mentioned, and we didn't see it in use. Judging from discourse, it would seem that the stealth craft was berthed aboard ''Valkyrie'' and was launched to the theatre from there. I'm not against it having one, but I would advocate to classifying this to "Undetermined" until someone at the "Head Office" states otherwise. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 12:01, 18 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

2006-11-18T17:47:45Z

Hawke:

Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)

It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment.
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)

== Class / Type / Dimensions ==
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be — they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.

On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.

Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)

I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first — you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' — they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes — but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. — there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== Number / Designation? ==
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

2006-11-18T17:26:54Z

Hawke: /* Class / Type / Dimensions */

Stealthstar

2006-11-18T06:13:51Z

Hawke: The craft was referred to as, or designated, Stealth Star; this does not constitute the formal name of the craft

'''Stealth Star''' was a designation used by a Colonial stealth craft.

Lieutenant [[Daniel Novacek]] from [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] ''[[Valkyrie]]'' piloted a stealth recon craft, designated '''Stealth Star''', across the [[Armistice Line]] in order to determine whether or not the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] were performing a military buildup ([[Hero]]).

== See also ==

* [[Blackbird]], the first Colonial stealth craft introduced in the series

[[Category:A to Z]] [[Category:Colonial Craft]] [[Category:Colonial Craft (RDM)]] [[Category:RDM]]

Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

2006-11-18T05:49:55Z

Hawke:

Talk:Alastair Thorne/Archive 1

2006-03-29T03:16:38Z

Hawke:

== A Marine? ==
After watching [[Pegasus]] for the third time, something jumped out at me. I reviewed the scenes several times, and ''maybe'' it was a difference in lighting. Or, maybe, this might be one of those times where a question can/should be posted to Mr. Moore or Mr. Eick regarding clarification (minor importance of course)... but, could Lt. Alistair Thorne ''possibly'' be a Marine officer?

His query of "Do you want my guards to come in with you?", his uniform arrangement, and his general demeanor hint that this cat isn't typical "fleet". My estimation is that he ''might'' be a Marine officer, and in fact, the one with the most amount of command seniority on ''Pegasus''. Does this sound feasible? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 21:16, 28 March 2006 (CST)

Colonial Marine Corps

2006-03-24T21:16:28Z

Hawke: /* Notes */ Added image

[[Image:Khaki litmus.JPG|thumb|A Marine Non-Comissioned Officer flanked by two Marines in standard uniform ([[Litmus]]).]]
The '''Colonial Marine Corps''' are the ground soldiers of the Twelve Colonies, a different branch of the military than the [[Colonial Fleet]]. [[Galactica type battlestar|Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' has about thirty of them left, although there are no snipers among them ([[Bastille Day]]).

A Marine's duties include guarding the [[CIC]] and [[brig]] ([[Mini-Series]]) and assisting the [[Master-at-Arms]] ([[Litmus]]). They have been used several times on [[Raptors]] for boarding parties ([[Bastille Day]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). They are also responsible for repelling enemy boarding actions ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

Sergeant [[Hadrian]] is a Marine, but no officers (if there were any) appear to be stationed on ''Galactica''; when they are shown on missions, Fleet officers command the Marine units.

==Known Marines==
*Lieutenant [[Terry Burrell]]
*Sergeant [[Hadrian]]
*Sergeant [[Fischer]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Private First Class [[Scott Kelso]]
*[[Hollis]]
*[[Wenzler]]
*[[Bonnington]]
*[[Twinam]]
*[[Collishaw]]

==Notes==

Their battle [[Uniform |uniforms]] appear to be based on those of the U.S. Army's [[Wikipedia:Delta Force|Delta Force]] or the counter-terrorist branch of the British Army's [[Wikipedia:Special Air Service|Special Air Service Regiment]]. Besides their black combat uniforms, the weapons and personal combat equipment of the Marines are similar to what police SWAT teams and anti-terrorist special forces units utilize.

[[Image:Marine_cic_standing01.jpg|180px|right|thumb|A Colonial Marine stands watch in ''Galactica's'' CIC]]

To date, the Marines have appeared in either an all-black BDU (aboard ship) or an olive-drab/green BDU (planetside, as in [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

To outfit the Marines, the show's costume department appears to use the following real-world items: 
* Helmet
** [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0006GIYA6/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1/102-8409210-0972100?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance Giro Bad Lieutenant snowboard/ski helmet, black] — far less heavy and less expensive than the US/UN [[Wikipedia:Personnel_Armor_System_for_Ground_Troops_Helmet|PASGT helmet]]
* Goggles
** [http://www.botac.com/paulson1.html Paulson 510T Tactical Goggles] — these, or...
** [http://www.botac.com/paulatfraggo.html Paulson 510TF ATAC "Frag" Goggles] — these... it depends on what the costume department was budgetted for, or got them for. The closures, hinges, and "face gasket" are the giveaways.
* Sub-machine guns
** [[Wikipedia:Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler-Koch MP5]] (multiple variants)
** [[Wikipedia:FN P90|Fabrique Nationale P90]] (with silencer)
** [[Wikipedia:Beretta Cx4 Storm|Beretta CX4 Storm]]
* Shotgun
** [[Wikipedia:DAO-12|Protecta]]
* Rifle
** [[Wikipedia:Heckler & Koch G36|Heckler & Koch G36k]]
* Sidearm
** [[Wikipedia:FN Five-seveN|Fabrique Nationale Five-seveN]] (with added wood grips and explosive round launcher)
* Combat Vest
** [http://www.pointblankarmor.com/spider.asp PBBA SPIDER] — offered by a company called Point-Blank Body Armor, Inc., the vests appear to be one of these models, with a "modular grid attachment system" based around snaps (the telltale characteristic if you see a Colonial Marine's back) and velcro (a costumer's best friend!). This affords the costume department the option to attach whatever they want to the vests, regardless of compatability, since all they need to do is stitch on some velcro. As far as if it is the SPIDER specifically that's being used, or one of the following models, or a model offered from another manufacturer, has yet to be confirmed, but substantial research points towards this being the vest used in the series.
** [http://www.pointblankarmor.com/mrv.asp PBBA MRV+ SWAT] — "heavier" vest variant
** [http://www.pointblankarmor.com/swatcertplus.asp PBBA SWAT Cert+] — higher-collared variant
** [http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/tactical.php Pinnacle Armor Tactical Vest] — It ''more than likely'' is this one in the "modular grid base" unit. It makes the most sense, since it would be most cost effective to get the unlined, unarmored modular vest, with the velcro and snaps, and just attach whatever is wanted to it.

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[[Category:Colonial Military]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Talk:Basestar (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-03-23T05:47:59Z

Hawke:

I just registered 5 minutes ago, so be gentle...
Is there any reason why the references to BattleStar's and Raiders are neither capitalized, or links?

: Hi! Welcome to the Wiki -- I hope you have a blast here! :-) Anyway, to address your question, Battlestar can be spelled one of two ways ("Battlestar" or "battlestar"). ("BattleStar" is an incorrect spelling, by the way.) As for raiders, you can capitalize them or not; it's similar to writing the "stealth fighter" or "naval carrier" -- you can choose whether or not to capitalize the first letters of each word. As for the links, by default the first letter of any article is capitalized. Why? It's just how the software we use works. :-) Hope that answers your question! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:54, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I noticed that Kuralyov had a number of Talk entries regarding basestars. Was he just tweaking the language?

:Just redirects from the various names used to describe Basestars, so any newcomer will be better able to find it via search. [[User:68.9.113.183|68.9.113.183]] 22:23, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)
::Whoops, I was logged out for some reason when I posted that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:24, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Corrected minor spelling mistake - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 18 February, 2006

I'm not sure if the new bulleted list works or not. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:39, 22 March 2006 (CST)

: Each bulleted segment refers to a specific instance of an encounter between depicted Colonial forces and (a) Cylon basestar(s). The section title of "Encounters With the Colonial Fleet", and the way that the material was structured when I initiated the edit, implied that this was a list of some kind, at least a loosely associated one. The material that was there was also grammatically sloppy, overly detailed in some areas, and vague in others. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:47, 22 March 2006 (CST)

== TOS Basestar ==

Can someone please add a some information about the original basestar.

: See the first line of the article, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

== Image placement ==

So, rather than a revert war: I had shifted one of the images on this page to the left for balance. That's the scheme that's used on many character pages and I think it looks best. However, Bane Grievver seems to disagree but reverted without comment, so I'm soliciting one here. Any particular reason, Bane, or just because that's how it was before? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:30, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:I liked it your way, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)

Basestar (TRS)

2006-03-23T05:14:56Z

Hawke: /* Encounters with Colonial Fleet */

''This article is about the Re-imagined Series Basestar. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''
[[Image:Basestar.jpg|thumb|right|A Cylon basestar]]
==Description==
In the re-imagined series, '''Cylon basestars''' (also referred to as "baseships" or "Cylon battlestars") are by far the most prominent example of [[Cylon]] presence. They easily dwarf a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and appear to be technologically superior in every way, including no visible means of sublight propulsion as well as being able to release wings of hundreds of [[Cylon Raider]]s at the same time (according to the number of launch "slots" located along each of the spires the basestar. A basestar can release as many as 792 [[Raiders]] as seen in the following images: [http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6371/bscap2198ni.jpg 1], [http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1438/bscap2187pb.jpg 2], and [http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/170/bscap2225eq.jpg 3]).

Beyond this, not much is known about the interior operations or command structure of a basestar. A basestar's size would suggest that they have a large crew complement, although there is ample evidence to suggest their operations are largely automated, or that the basestar itself is a Cylon. There has also been no evidence to suggest that a basestar has a central autonomous commander as done on battlestars and their command hierarchy.

A basestar's weapons complement indicates missiles on a similar principle to the United States' VLS system, which is capable of launching coventional or nuclear missiles. In "scream and leap" ambushes commonly used by basestars, the use of nuclear attacks against capital targets such as ''Galactica'' appears prohibited to minimize capital fighter losses to the Cylons or damage to the basestar itself.

Two basestars were torn apart by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|right|A basestar under attack]]

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent says nothing, but accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.

* Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deployed nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars are seen orbitting the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guided her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. The shattered hulk of a battlestar is also seen ([[Miniseries]]).

* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|Jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escapes, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).

* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL Jump after Jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and were able to track it through each successive [[FTL|Jump]]. Following the 239th Jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as the liner is destroyed by ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th Jump. The Cylons do not follow.

* The fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet [[Kobol]] is discovered by a single [[Raptor]] on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. This team of three Raptors is surprised to see a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and the screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon Transponder]] to stealthily deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is asked to undertake the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmonson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as it is designed to, and despite high anxiety at being found out, the pair infiltrate the basestar. The view they are afforded is overwhelming, with a basestar's interior as a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical componentry lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first time since the [[Cylon Attack]] that Colonial forces had successfully destroyed a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL Jump. This haphazard Jump separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to Kobol to recalculate the Jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.

* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons begin employing basestars in new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews dispatched, and then set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advisement and Jumps to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors which scan the drifting craft and report that the crews are indeed already dead. Seconds later, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survived [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralded a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

* The most recent appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant Jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot.

== See also ==

* [http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6326/bscap0873sx.jpg Basestar launching missiles]

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[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:RDM]]
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Talk:Raider (RDM)/Archive 1

2006-03-22T15:14:29Z

Hawke: /* Image Discussion */

==Piloted Raiders?==
Is there anything at all from the re-imagined series about a early piloted raider, or is this just speculation? --Glenmcbeth

:Well, in the Mini-series before they engage the NEW Cylon Raiders for the first time, the pilots are chattering over their radios and say that no one has seen the Cylons in 40 years, so they don't know how their ships will look different now--->one guy points out (accurately) that the basic design should be that of a 'flying wing'; so it's implied they were thinking of the old ones. That, and I think a model of one of the old ones was seen in the Galactica-musuem; anyway, when they see the NEW Raiders for the first time, a pilot reacts in shock that "no one's flying it!"; the "head" part was too small to have a Cylon Centurion sitting inside of it flying it; this would seem to imply that the OLD Raiders were exactly like TOS ones: with a Cylon flying them. ---Ricimer, 22, Sept, 2005

:: I don't know that that's enough to warrant mentioning that they were piloted by three Centurians and all the details that we have. I think it would be best to make "Cylong Raider (RDM)" nearly entirely about the autonomous Raiders we see so frequently in the series with perhaps a note in the Notes section mentioning that pilots expressed surprise that no one was piloting them and what their comments were, exactly, about the flying wing deal. Let the reader decide. I don't like displaying a picture at all. The museum was a nod to TOS, and I don't think it counts as precisely canon. Obviously, in the early stages of the first Cylon War, the Cylons were the same as built by the Colonials and were flying Colonial craft, but by the time it got to where they were working out of Basestars, I imagine they were manufacturing their own craft, too, so there's no reason to think that the craft the pilots were thinking of was Colonial in origin at all. I also dislike the mention of common tactics... That's never been mentioned on-screen in RDM at all, I don't think. --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:20, 19 January 2006 (EST)

==Split?==
This needs to be split into three articles - one for TOS, and one each for the piloted and autonomous RDM models. Anybody have ideas for article titles?

Additionally, should this be "Cylon Raider" or just "Raider"? We don't call them Colonial Vipers, after all. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:49, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:I agree that "Raider" should suffice. "Cylon Raider" might be necessary if we needed to distinguish it from a Colonial model. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:06, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:: Definately split into (TOS) and (RDM) name spaces. I think we could stick with the name Cylon Raider. I think they've called them that several times in the series and I take it to be the more "official" name (from the Colonial POV. Maybe the Cylons call them Daggits. Who knows?) --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:20, 19 January 2006 (EST)

==Virus==
Kahran wrote:
:''The new Raider is also succeptable to the same type of system-crashing virus which it has been known to transmit itself. ("[[Flight of the Pheonix]]")''
Not correct. First of all, we've never actually seen a raider transmit a virus. In the miniseries, they exploited a back door in the CNP to shut down the fleet directly; in "Valley of Darkness" we saw a virus but for logical reasons, it could not possibly have originated from outside the ship; and in "Flight of the Phoenix" we again saw a backdoor being exploited, this time in the other direction. Secondly, it is completely unsurprising that a Cylon agent such as Caprica-Valerii would have knowledge of how to access such a backdoor in her own people's technology. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:37, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:I'm questioning a part of the reasoning here. In the miniseries, the raiders exploit the CNP backdoors and command shutdown of Colonial systems. Yes; no "virus" is transmitted there. But in "Scattered" we hear Gaeta specifically discussing an infiltration attempt--

::Gaeta: "Here they come. Cylons are hacking our network. Attempting to access our gateway." 

:Later, ''Galactica'' contracts a virus. Since ''Galactica's'' systems were never networked prior and never have used the CNP (which, combined with Gaeta's information, confirms CNP is still not installed), a virus is most likely to have come from the outside, that some ship in the Cylon attack body was at work in cracking ''Galactica's'' computer network and infecting it a'la the tactics used in Cylon War I. This does NOT necessarily mean that the fighters did it (although screen shots show Gaeta's firewall ''fail'' moments before he disconnects it). The Centurions that board could have installed it, but we have no information to confirm this, nor does this make sense. Such an infection would only affect maybe one subsystem since the Centurions could not gain access to all primary, now-again isolated subsystems. They likely could infect only one, and that infection could not spread. Same would be true if a Cylon agent were to install a virus; the isolated subsystems would make it too impossible to infect all at once without attracting attention (Gaeta's and the rest of CIC, that is). The Cylon attack body is the likely cause of the virus, since it affects many subsystems that are normally isolated and they had the means to infect through their hacking. A virus isn't "transmitted," but installed once infiltration is successful. Kahran's wording is incorrect. The sentence should say: The new Raider is subceptible to system-crashing viruses if the fighter's subsystems themselves are infiltrated (Flight of the Phoenix)"--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:07, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::I'll reply backwards, since your last point was the most relevant one - "The new Raider is subceptible to system-crashing viruses if the fighter's subsystems themselves are infiltrated" is true, but it's also ''obvious'', and therefore not worth stating. In fact, there is no computer system for which that statement is ''not'' true.

::Second, as regarding the events of "Valley of Darkness": Having two computers networked is not sufficient to make them vulnerable to attack. In order to receive a "virus" or any other sort of malware from off-ship, one of the components must have had a connection to the outside world via some sort of RF ("wireless") frequency. Thus, of the four computers Gaeta networked, at least one must already have been vulnerable.

::However, Galactica's entire design ethos was explicitly meant to separate vulnerable functions. There is no conceivable reason that any of the four systems Gaeta connected (FTL, Navigation, Fire control, Damage control) would need access to a wireless tranceiver. Therefore, the only plausible source for the virus was from ''within'' the ship itself. This does not present much of a contradiction - the simple fact of networking those four systems together would be a great moment of opportunity for an infiltrator to plant a virus for maximum effect. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:58, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:::That's a good point, and one I purposefully addressed indirectly in the [[Computers]] article. We have to strike it up to one of three issues: (1) A retcon issue; (2) the mainframe computer (which may handle communications) is the most resistant to infiltration since it must ALWAYS have wireless up and running for fighter chat (DRADIS is managed through the Nav computer), or (3) the comm system is NOT computer-based or operated, but a hardwire system that transmits its data in a manner which cannot infect the mainframe in some manner. When other computers are connected to it via Gaeta's gateway (which also exposes the computers to the hardwired comm system network), the Cylons infiltrate by hacking the exposed ''gateway'' Gaeta created, not the computers. Yes, normally the other computers DON'T need or have access to the each other. But the ''gateway'' created was vulnerable because it's the comm system that's likely used to create one for the networking of the computers. Once the gateway was up, all but the comm system was vulnerable for reasons below.

:::In fact, a part of "Flight of the Phoenix" bears this speculation out: Gaeta has wiped the hard drives of ALL computers while Valerii is working on her unique virus in her head for the Cylon fleet. She transmits it out, but on what? All computers are down. This suggests that the comm systems (connected through her arm from the mainframe, which suggests it and the comm system also have a connection), while monitored through the mainframe, are not entirely computer-based since no computer was up to aid Valerii in hacking the enemy network AND transmitting the virus directly. Gaeta notes the transmission, indicating that comm was still up although the computers are still under restoration. In short, Cylons have never been able to hack ''Galactica's'' mainframe or comm systems, but once that ad hoc gateway was up, the other computers were exposed and the enemy had what they needed to hack in and infect. This doesn't explain the logic bomb, which I think is bad writing: how would it spread over a non-networked series of computers? It would mean that each computer had a copy of the bomb. But then, how would it activate? The comm/mainframe cannot be hacked and so cannot send the "execute" command to the logic bombs on the other computers, right? I smell contrivance, but its the best sense I can make of it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:23, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::::I like the "Gateway attack" scenario (limited window created by Gaeta's jury-rigging), but it seems like all of these scenarios are running under the assumption that the virus/logic bomb infected the system from the outside. That may be the case (and Flight of the Phoenix seemed to prove that it could be transmitted that way, at least to the Raiders), but isn't it possible for ''Galactica'''s systems to have been infected from the ''inside''? With several potential humano-cylons on the loose inside the fleet, it may turn out that some of the computer problems have been done as part of an "inside job". I have NOTHING to support that, but I just wanted to raise the possibility (if it hadn't already been mentioned). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:06, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:::::This is what I've been saying all along. Am I not speaking english? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:29, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::::::Didn't see that little bit right there at the end... "would be a great moment of opportunity for an infiltrator to plant a virus for maximum effect" or perhaps I read it as an external attacker. I'm guessing that possibility is generally being overlooked in favor of the more straightforward external network attack. I hope that this angle is explored more and not left to speculation, as I don't think that it can be definitely proven how the system was compromised. (Which is what you've been saying this whole time. At least the message has spread one person further.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:46, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::I noted the possibility of Cylon agent infiltration, but again this requires the agent to individually infect ALL computers, or place an infection that won't replicate / install itself until/unless computers were networked. That's a whole lot of "if's". It's not that an agent infected the computers isn't possible, but based on what we've seen, it's not probable. We don't know if Biers is off Galactica, but she likely is. We don't know what the remaining agents look like. We do know that that Valerii said what would happen with the infection that did occur. It's even possible that her Galactica counterpart infected systems before she shot Adama. But that conflicts with what Gaeta watched during the jump calcs in Scattered. I just want some source that gives credibility to the internal hypothesis. (See, SV--we sysops are all having a nice, friendly discussion... :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:33, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::::::::A virus could have been planted (through a hardline, onboard the ship) into one of the four networked systems during Scattered, and then spread to the other three in short order. I think it's actually fairly likely that there's an unknown cylon agent on Galactica - probably somebody of the lower ranks who we haven't seen, or else C-Valerii would have identified him.

::::::::For my sake, could you please try and restate the points in your second post, the one immediately after my reply? I have the feeling you're trying to say something interesting, but your wording is too confusing for me to untangle. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:56, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::::Sure.
::::::::::* Since ''something'' has to be able to send out or match up command recognition codes, the mainframe and comm system work together, although comm (likely not a computer per se) can work independently of any computer system (note Valerii transmitting the virus code to the Cylon fleet in "Phoenix" although ''Galactica's'' computers are down).
::::::::::* I suspect the mainframe is inherently resistant to infection, or isolated from infection despite its role with the comm system. However, the mainframe's ''gateway'', which forms a network if other computers are connected, is not resistant. This is what the Cylons will hack into since the comm system is always up and routes data from it to the mainframe and the gateway. From the gateway a virus enters the most vulnerable computer and copies itself into others. Once situated, it begins its work.
::::::::::* The mainframe (which, as Doral said, may barely deserve the name of "computer") is highly resistant to infection or infiltration. It can also create firewalls to protect itself (Gaeta did this). It's analogous to the Mac OS X computers versus Windows computers today--both do the same, but one is designed well enough not to have infiltration issues as severely as the other. But even the mainframe can be rooted if given time; the Cylon virus adapts and learns.
::::::::::* An internal attack by a Cylon agent is possible but not probable. For what we know, all computers are centrally located in CIC. An agent would have to sit and hack or insert code into each system manually. This would require physical access that only a few have (this adds fire to the Gaeta-is-a-Cylon argument).
::::::::::* Barring plot complication we haven't seen, we are led (and only have evidence aired so far) that the virus attack was external. Otherwise, despite the point that humano-Cylons like to play with their prey, we'd think that the Cylons would have hacked ''Galactica's'' computers and killed the ship by now. Centurions never visited the CIC, so they're out as infectors, unless there was a fiber optic conduit for one of the closed computers they could've used to do so as they marauded the ship.
::::::::::* The "logic bomb" concept was specious; it couldn't travel through to the other computers (no network), and the system failures throughout the ship suggest that the computers fully control ''Galactica's'' subsystems like life support. Of course, the computers probably never fully cleaned, which makes more sense for system failures. Isn't that a network? Doesn't work. By the same token, for Cylons to activate the bomb from their fighter armada implies that Gaeta's ad-hoc network is up again and allowing hack commands to enter ''Galactica.'' BIG, freight-train sized science gaffe for the sake of plot. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:01, 4 January 2006 (EST)
:::::::::::: For the sake of speculation, I'm going to state it as a given that the systems are not networked in any traditional sense and that the FTL, Navigation, Fire control, and Damage control computers are infected, and the Nav computer actually does manage DRADIS. Isn't it possible for the Cylons to have taken into account the fact that the ad-hoc network would be disabled before the virus could complete it's run, and build in contingencies for such an event? The DRADIS by nature would require a transceiver of some form. Even if that receiver is not designed to process such information, it would theoretically be possible send some sort of recognizable signal through it to the Nav computer to act as a trigger. Beyond that, the damage control computer would, by necessity, be connected to every system on the ship to monitor for failure conditions. In addition, the other three computers should be able to detect and/or set error condition markers for the systems they monitor and control. While nowhere near an efficient or traditional mode of communication, it could serve in a limited sense. The Cylons would be aware of, if not intimately acquainted with the designs for all battlestars thanks to Number Six's infiltration of the Defense Mainframe. Am I the only one who sees this as plausible? [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 15:15, 8 January 2006 (EST)
:::::::::::::Triggering a virus through DRADIS is plausible if it's ''already there'', but planting one that way is not. It must have come in through a comm channel (as Spencerian argues) or from inside the ship (as I do). None of the system failures in Flight of the Phoenix require a network to be in place anyway - once the logic bomb had infected the four sub-systems, it would procede to sabotage them independantly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:22, 8 January 2006 (EST)
:::::::::::::: As I said, I was making the fact that the systems were already infected a given. I was simply trying to explain the aparent coordination of the systems going down and how the Cylons kicked it into high gear, so to speak. However, the thought now comes to mind that, aside from the modifications ot CNP, the DRADIS control software could have also been modified pre-infection to enable it's use as a backdoor. (I know, reaching, but it floated to the top of my brain, so I go there...) [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 15:35, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Image Discussion==

Okay, I had changed the Raider (new) image to a more accurate image of the raider (of how it really is supposed to look) but Merv changed it back. Instead of changing it back (which would predictably lead him to do the opposite) I leave it as a subject of discussion. I think the other pic, or at least that type of pic, is better than the present one, since it is more representative of the new cylon architecture than the set model, and it is also in its natural habitat. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22 March 2006
:Actually you did the right think by moving the discussion here. Well, it's not in it's "natural habitat" this is a wireframe picture of a Raider; the skin isn't very detailed and "metallic" but slate gray, and look, the eye isn't even colored in ''red''. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:41, 21 March 2006 (CST)
::What about this one? It's complete, because its the model Zoic used in the end.
[[Image:CyRaider.jpg|thumb|]]
:::Well, I'll just ask again which everyone prefers, if no one answes I'll proceed to putting this pic and seeing how it decelops.... --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22 March 2006

::No, Sauron, you're still just using a ''model''; it's the default one that Zoic sticks in, but the coloring is all wrong; please don't jump ahead on this one and "if no one answers proceed to use it" (you probably meant this less abrasively than it sounds). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:23, 21 March 2006 (CST)

:::I prefer the screen capture to the render. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:25, 22 March 2006 (CST)

::::Well, what I meant with my comment is that if no one answered in a while I would just assume they accepted it., and therefore I would place it. Though I know this is an actual finished model (we see them the same in many times), I shall find a screencap then. I just don't like for the "set" raider to be seen as the New raider, since it doesnt't have exactly the same design, it is noticeably more round and squat than it should be (it is also not as metallic as it should be). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22 March 2006

:::It would appear that Sauron18 is advocating for a picture of the ''video game'' Raider. You have to understand, that video game rendering is ''kindergartener crayon-drawing quality'' compared to a professional film-quality rendering. Everything is going to appear drabber, edge-ier (because of the whole thing with facets and polygons), and be distorted at odd viewing angles. Does this denote the "true" look of the object? No. Does this mean there is a different version of the object? No. ''Star Wars'' suffers from this crazed, ignorant fanaticism wherein the video game models are scaled/modelled/depicted in such varying degrees of quality from the original model they are meant to represent (in order to get the game out in a hurry, and/or keep the gameplay efficient), that certain "challenged" individuals get all frothy-mouthed and claim the video game objects as different variants of the object. Soon, you've got fifty different TIE fighters in the SW Universe, all because the rendering of the panels is slightly different from game to game.

:::Big frakkin' deal. A TIE is a TIE is a TIE. Same here... a Raider is a Raider... is a Raider.

:::Now, pardon my rant, but it leads into... I don't consider video game depictions as "official canon". Peripheral, supplemental canon, or canon-taken-with-a-disclaimer, perhaps. With that said, I don't think a rendering from the video game should be used to be the "official representation" of an object like the Raider. The screen capture should be used, or, if you want it to look cleaner, the '''''official''''' for-screen Zoic model rendering should be used. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 09:14, 22 March 2006 (CST)

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Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II

2006-03-17T16:32:14Z

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{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Baltarlaydownburdensii.jpg|300px]]
| Title= Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 20
| Guests= [[Richard Hatch]] ([[Tom Zarek]]) [[Kate Vernon]] ([[Ellen Tigh]]) [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] ([[Cavil|Brother Cavil]])
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm1093194|Anne Cofell Saunders]], [[IMDB:nm0894156|Mark Verheiden]]
| Story=
| Director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate= March 10, 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population= 49,550
| Prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
| Next= TBA
}}

== Overview ==

: ''Everything turns on its head as the survivors vote for a new president -- and vote for their fate.''

== Summary ==

===On Caprica===

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], the marines, and the [[resistance (movement)|resistance]] continue to take fire from Cylon centurions and artillery. They make their way up a hill, and hold their position.
*The Cylons hold fire, and Sharon remarks that the Cylons will attempt to capture them with non-lethal weapons, such as gas.
*Eighteen hours later, they emerge to find that the Cylons have disappeared. [[Cavil]] -- who suddenly appears behind them -- announces that the Cylons have left the Twelve Colonies and that humanity was spared.

===In the Fleet===

*[[Cally]] is cleared back to work by [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]], despite having her jaw wired shut. [[Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] visits her, apologizing for the attack. Cally forgives him, saying that she's always cared for him.

*[[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]] continues to gain in the polls. On ''[[Colonial One]]'', Tory mentions there's always a victory plan. [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] later calls a private meeting with Dr. Baltar, asking to deliver a joint statement of [[Wikipedia:Table (verb)|tabling]] the issue of colonization until after the election, which Baltar rejects.

*[[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], fearing that she has indeed lost the presidential race, confronts [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] on whether he was with Six on Caprica before the Cylon attack. Baltar avoids answering the question & states that he may have saved her life, but he will not save her political life.

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] returns to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', with the resistance fighters, much to the delight of Admiral Adama. She mentions the fact that the Cylons have left Caprica, and a man appearing to be Brother Cavil confirms it. He also says he has a message, but is attacked by Chief Tyrol, who declares a "[[Code blue]]," claiming Cavil is a Cylon. Both Cavil and Caprica-Sharon are escorted to the brig under marine guard.

*The other Cavil (from last episode) is also taken to the brig, claiming he's not a Cylon, but changes his tune upon seeing his "brother", as he calls him. Both Cavils then talk about the fact that the “war heroes” (Caprica Six & ''Galactica''-Sharon) have talked about how the attack of the colonies and the pursuit of the fleet were mistakes. They were told to relay the message that man and Cylon will go their separate ways. Both Roslin and Admiral Adama are less than trusting regarding the message.

*In the brig, Caprica-Sharon is completely disillusioned and nihilistic, declaring that since her child's death, nothing - not Adama's trust, not even Helo - matters to her. A frustrated Helo insists that he's not giving up on her, but she seems disinclined to listen.

*Starbuck and Anders are getting extremely drunk when Apollo comes in to welcome them back. Starbuck makes a snide remark about Apollo and Dualla and goes back to drunkenly making out with Anders. Apollo, clearly upset with Starbuck, leaves without saying much.

*Election Day has arrived and Baltar has an apparent five thousand-vote lead over Roslin with only a few ships left. On ''Colonial One'', Tory makes a call to ''Galactica'', putting a plan into action.

*Amazingly, Roslin initially appears to have retained the presidency. While most are celebrating, Lt. Gaeta makes a startling discovery regarding the votes, and informs the Admiral that Col. Tigh may be involved in a conspiracy to throw the election.

*Admiral Adama confronts Roslin regarding the conspiracy, saying he has a confession to rig the vote. Roslin admits her involvement and Adama is disappointed.

*Baltar is informed of his election as President. He's less than pleased, vowing to have full investigation in time. President-elect Baltar then orders a course for “New Caprica”.

*[[Gaius Baltar]] is sworn in as the new President of the Twelve Colonies, and orders the immediate colonization of New Caprica.

*''[[Cloud 9]]'' is destroyed by a nuclear blast, Gina being present before the explosion; in addition to the ''Cloud 9'', at least three other ships are destroyed in the blast. Admiral Adama reports to the president that this may be a Cylon attack, but Baltar ignores him and presses forward with colonization.

===One Year Later===
[[image:burdens2.jpg|Kara and Cottle on New Caprica.|thumb]]
*[[Felix Gaeta|Mr. Gaeta]] is reporting to the President regarding a Union issue aboard Colonial One, now down on the planet. Baltar is upset, saying there have been no Cylon attacks but the people still complain. He has regressed, turning to alcohol, medication, and womanizing.

*Admiral Adama, now sporting a mustache, is walking around the near-empty Galactica, which is quickly falling into disarray. Over half of the crew have moved down onto the planet, and they are running on such a skeleton crew that they barely have enough pilots to fly training missions, much less a good CAP. Adama has a discussion with Tigh about going down to the planet, which Tigh reluctantly agrees to do.

*[[Samuel Anders|Anders]], now Kara’s husband, has pneumonia. Dr. Cottle is unable to treat Anders because there are no antibiotics available. He can only advise Kara to make sure Anders gets enough rest and with a little luck he "should" pull through.

*Kara runs into the Tighs as [[Tyrol]], now a union boss, is making a speech to begin a strike, with a very pregnant Cally by his side. Saul mentions that ''Pegasus'' keeps the backup medical supplies and that Apollo would spring some for Starbuck. Starbuck disagrees, which prompts Tigh to state that Apollo should be "over that by now".

*Roslin is doing what she does best, teaching the settlement's children, and manages to find enjoyment in her new position. [[Maya]] is with her, as is the now one year old [[Hera]], whom Maya has named "Isis".

*Kara calls Lee aboard ''Pegasus'', requesting the antibiotics. Dualla, now an officer and most likely Lee's XO, notices something on the [[DRADIS]].

*A fleet of [[Cylon]] [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s arrive in orbit around New Caprica. The Adamas discuss what to do in response, with Lee initially advocating that the fleet jump away, and Admiral Adama initially resisting the suggestion. However, Lee apparently brings the Admiral around to his way of thinking (or Admiral Adama comes to the conclusion on his own) when [[Helo]] asks if alert fighters should be launched. Admiral Adama keeps the alert fighters in and jumps the fleet ships remaining in orbit around [[New Caprica]] to an unknown location, vowing that he will return.

*Mr. Gaeta informs the President of the Cylon approach. Later, before his assembled staff, copies of Numbers [[Number Five|5]], [[Number Eight|8]], and [[Number Six|6]] approach the President. The Cylons declare that as long as there’s no resistance, no harm will come. President Baltar, after learning that the Cylons discovered New Caprica because of the nuke explosion set off by Gina, declares surrender on behalf of the colonists. As Cylon armies occupy the planet, Kara vows to resist.

== Questions ==

*Who is Baltar's vice president?
*Has Gaeta's view of Baltar changed since Baltar's ascension to the presidency? If so, is Gaeta planning to do anything about it?
*What "number" is Cavil?
*Was Roslin's threat to put the two Cavils into space actually carried out?
*Where did the defense fleet jump to?
*Where is Caprica-Sharon?
*What happened to Zarek?
*Why is Leoben looking for Starbuck, specifically?
*Why has the population (until Tyrol's recent union speech) accepted Baltar's imperious rule? People were hardly so passive under Roslin. Indeed, Adama executed a military coup over a rather less important issue than giving a nuclear weapon to a Cylon agent.
*What were the workers being asked to do which was so "odious", "so sick[ening] at heart" that Tyrol was willing to call a general strike, and so important to Baltar that he was willing to use illegal imprisonment to break it?
*Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica''-Sharon]]?
*Where did the Cylon fleets go, after they left the Twelve Colonies? Cavil was deliberately vague when asked if they simply returned to the [[Cylon homeworld]].
*Did the nuclear bomb ever get picked up by the fleet's radiological alarms?
*How many people died in the Cloud Nine explosion? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*Were the Quorum of Twelve killed on the Cloud Nine?
*When Gina-Six was instantly vaporized due to being only two feet from a nuclear detonation, did she still transmit her consciousness? Was she even capable of transmitting considering that any internal hardware responsible for this task would have been instantly destroyed?
*Given Roslin's memories of Baltar with Six, why didn't Admiral Adama suspect Baltar of handing over the nuke to the cylons? If he did suspect him, why not act on it?
*Did the events of "One Year Later" actually happen, or were they a dream or vision sequence given to Baltar?
*Did Baltar's internal Six disappear at any point during the New Caprica year? If so, when and why? If so, did the events of her disappearance contribute to Baltar's regression?
*Why was it so easy for Adama to hide the collusion of the rigged election from the press, and why were there no consequences?
*If the Cylons really left the Twelve Colonies, leaving behind a nuked-out wasteland, what happened to all of the human captives in the [[Farms]]?
*Why have the Cylons returned after suggesting that they were willing to go their "separate ways"?
*Did the Cavils lie about the pursuit of humanity being a mistake? Or were they telling the truth?
*Will the Cylons resume their pursuit of the Fleet?
*How many people are left in the Fleet? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*Will the Adamas resort to Cain's tactic of conscripting civilians to fill the gaps?
*What happened between Apollo and Starbuck?
*What led to Starbuck's reconciliation with Col. Tigh? The two had been in conflict since the [[Miniseries]], what led them to bury the hatchet and become the close friends they now appear to be?
*Has it become public knowledge that Baltar killed [[Crashdown]] on [[Kobol]]? Now that Chief and Cally are Baltar's open adversaries they could attempt to use this information against him.
*When Adama informs Baltar that the nuke used to blow up [[Cloud Nine]] was probably stolen form Gaius' lab, why is he not suspicious about the fact that Baltar never reported that it was missing? Had it really been stolen from his lab, he would surely notice.
*Are the Cylons that appear at the end representative of the whole Cylon race, or are they a faction that broke off after the two "Cylon Hereos" began to speak out against the war on the humans?
*If it is true that the Cylons now believe the attack on humanity was a mistake, is the occupation on New Caprica viewed by the Cylons as an act of mercy and kindness vs. oppression from the human perspective?

== Analysis ==
*The events of the Cylon invasion of New Caprica closely parallel the Nazi invasion of France, with the fleet's escape a parallel to the Allied evacuation of Dunkirk and Baltar's surrender a parallel to Petain's surrender. If the parallel continues, Baltar will establish a puppet regime under Cylon rule akin to Vichy France while Colonials still loyal to humanity will establish a resistance movement.
*Baltar's arrogance seems to have led to corrupt rule during his year on New Caprica—he replaces Roslin's modest desk with a larger, elaborate one, replaces the population count whiteboard with a portrait of himself, and keeps a harem aboard the landed Colonial One.
*After a whole year, everyone is still living in tents. There is a vital shortage of medicine, the military is of no use, and labor conditions are apparently intolerable. Baltar's administration is apparently as incompetent as Roslin feared.
**It is not clear whether these conditions are the result of admimistrative incompetence or the inherent difficulties of colonizing a marginally habitable planet.
***Of course, it was Baltar's idea to settle on a marginally habitable planet in the first place.
*It's ironic that the obligations of duty keep Lee Adama aboard Pegasus while everyone else goes planetside—he is a reserve officer, and promised to build his pilots a bar as soon as they found a habitable planet.
**Who says he didn't build a bar for them? However, despite building a bar, he would still command the Pegasus.
*Ron Moore has once again decided to play with viewer's expectations; in the podcast for "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" Moore commented on how everyone assumed that ''Pegasus'' would be destroyed by the end of the episode, and thus he thought it would be a good twist to keep ''Pegasus'' alive as another ship in the Fleet. Here, many viewers assumed that the nuke that Baltar gave to Gina in "[[Epiphanies]]" would be used to destroy ''Pegasus'' this time, but it wasn't.
*29 people died between this episode and the preceding one? One or two Raptors were lost, and some Marines died on Caprica, but that doesn't seem high enough.
**Is it possible they took out all of the people who left in the raptors because they were not apart of the fleet at the end of the previous episode?
***They didn't remove Starbuck from the count when she left for Caprica at the beginning of Season 2.
****She left at the end of season one, before they started the count. But, they did not add her to the count when she returned with Helo, because the count rose by one.
**Maybe more people died during the attack on Caprica than was shown.
***Yet another possibility is the inclusion of the Caprica survivors in the count to offset many of the losses that had incurred in the rescue mission.
***Although they didn't actually talk about the losses, there was a shot of a wounded person being taken away on a stretcher after the Raptors returned from the [[Caprica]] [[SAR]] mission.
**There may have been a series of election-related riots or murders.
*The year gap for the Cylons to find the fleet at first seems odd. However, it was stated in the previous episode that the interference from the gas cloud surrounding it would hide the planet fairly well. The Cylons were slightly over a light year away, according to the Number Five. Searching something as large as the gas cloud likely is for a planet or fleet is, given the sensor range limitations, quite impressive to accomplish in months, even with general directional information from a light-year out. In addition, the radiation from the nuclear explosion aboard the ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' would, of course, only be traveling at the speed of light. Even a less catastrophic attempt to communicate the Colonial's new location would be limited to the speed of light. Of course, once the location was pinpointed, an FTL jump by the Cylons to pounce would be instantaneous.
**Even though the Cylons were able to find New Caprica from the detected nuclear blast that occurred a year prior, the initial detection would have only pointed them in the right general direction. The planet would have moved from the location the inital blast occurred as it orbits around its sun. So the Cylons would only have been able to pinpoint the planet's last location a year prior. They could have used astronomical surveying to detect the planet or send their fleets to other positions using FTL ahead of the blast radiation to triangulate the nuclear blast. Then send recon elements to scout for the planet, which could have been the initial blips picked up by DRADIS by Lt. Dualla of recon Raiders. As soon as the planet was found the main Cylon Fleet would jump in from their staging areas.
*The population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. There were just under 50,000 people in the Fleet before establishing the settlement, so that gives a figure of roughly 10,000 missing. It is uncertain how many were killed in the destruction of ''Cloud 9'' and surrounding Fleet ships but this loss along with any births and deaths that have taken place during the year since the election, leaves very few military personnel in the Orbital Defense. This almost certainly means that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' will be extremely short on crew, as many military personnel will have been left on the planet. There was clearly no time to retrieve even selected members of the crews before the Fleet jumped.
**The figure is not 10,000 missing — it is 10,000 not part of New Caprica City's population. The figure of 10,000 is spread amongst those remaining up in orbit with the fleet's remaining ships, out in independent, peripheral, or small settlements not part of New Caprica City proper, and casaulties.
**Watching the Fleet jump in slow-motion, you can count approximately 19 ships, which also gives a rough impression of the reduced size of the fleet. Other ships, including Colonial One and some Raptors, are landed on New Caprica and have presumably fallen into the hands of the Cylons.
**It is not explicitly said that all members of the New Caprica colony reside in New Caprica City. There may be outlying settlements, though none are named. One reason for this would simply be as a safeguard to keep a single nuclear strike from wiping out all of the fleet survivors.
***This would demonstrate Un-Baltar like prudence
**Any "industrial" vessels — such as the mining ships, tanker ships, repair ships, agro-world ship — would have landed on the planet and been debarked, dismantled, or converted to form the foundation for industrial / production efforts. Some of the vessels in the fleet that left Ragnar Anchorage weren't designed for prolonged interstellar journeys, and were basically running "on a hope and a prayer", and would have been rendered promptly upon finding a more permanent home. The nineteen-or-so ships seen are, more than likely, the last spaceworthy vessels in the fleet that are not needed planetside.

== Notes ==
* '''According to Ron Moore's podcast, although Scifi Channel was willing to air this episode as a 90-minute special, it had to be heavily edited down for international distribution; outside of the United States, viewers will only see a 1 hour version of the episode, which Moore regards as "almost incomprehensible".''' Many plot threads, such as the entire Cally/Tyrol subplot, were completely removed from the one hour version. This may not be the case in the UK however as Skyone (the channel that broadcasts the show in that country) previously showed the full 90 minute version of Stargate SG1 episode 'Threads' and may well do the same for this episode.
* Ron Moore's podcast for episode 13, [[Epiphanies]], states that the Nuke given to Gina will come back in this episode, to the benefit of the Cylons.
*Admiral Adama watches Pyramid games and is a fan of the Picon Panthers.
*In RDM's podcast for the previous episode, he said that in early drafts of this special 90 minute long episode, the writers actually tried to make it a 2 hour special, but this was soon dropped (these times are including commercials).
*The election board appears to have a definitive list of the names of all of the ships in [[The Fleet (RDM)]]. Not all of them are clearly visible, but this would seem to indicate that the writers do have an actual list that they get new ship names from. Ship names visible on the chart are: Demetrius, Diomedes, Embla Brokk, Enkidu, Epheme, Galactica, Gideon, Gemenon Traveller, Greenleaf, Monarch, Odysseus, Pegasus, Persephone, Prometheus, Swordfish
*The framed photo of President Roslin and [[Billy Keikeya]] was still on her desk during the election.
*When Roslin "won" the rigged election results, Roslin received 24,265 votes, while Baltar recieved 22,266. This means that the elligible voters in the Fleet number 46,531. In the podcast, RDM explains that he quickly came up with these numbers, to try to reflect roughly how many survivors are below the voting age.
*Toward the end of the episode, President Baltar refers to a government body called the "People's Council". This may be the proportionally elected lower house mentioned in by RDM in his [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 blog post] on January 30, 2005.
*[[Hera]] is seen on New Caprica in the same white cradle that Baltar had a vision of her being in in "[[Scattered]]", etc. According to RDM's podcast it's actually the exact same cradle.
*Tyrol's union speech is an almost word for word quote of Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964. According to Ron Moore and David Eick in the podcast, they even got permission from Savio's widow to use it (even though, due to the way copyright laws work from back then, they could have just used it without permission, they felt they should get it). As a result, it's even listed in the credits: "Mario Savio speech excerpted courtesy of: Lynne Hollander Savio". Actor Aaron Douglas (Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]) actually studied film of Savio, so all of the hand gestures Tyrol makes when he gives the speech are gestures that Savio actually used.
*Baltar's portrait of himself does not have the 'cut corners' as seen in most (all?) other papers and photos in the show.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Dr. Cottle decides Cally is ready to return to duty:''
:'''Cottle:''' You're done here. I'm kickin' you out of here and sending you back to work.
:'''Cally:''' (muffled, because her jaw is immobilized) Work??? Like this?
:'''Cottle:''' You gotta love a woman who can complain even with her jaw wired shut.

*"Would you mind telling me what's going on? I'm not a frakking Cylon, I'm not…(''sees the other Cavil in the cell'')…oh. Well, okay then."
*:—'''Brother Cavil'''

*"Gods help us."
*:-'''Admiral Adama''' over the objection of [[Edward James Olmos]] (podcast)

*''Trying to bring order to a Union meeting:''
:'''Tyrol:''' Everyone, please be quiet. (''crowd ignores him'')
:'''Cally:''' Hey! Shut the frak up! (''crowd quiets down'')

*'''Admiral Adama:''' We're leaving. But we'll be back.

*''On Caprica:''
::'''Anders:''' You got any great ideas in that military brain of yours?
::'''Starbuck:''' Do the same thing we always do; fight 'em 'till we can't.
:''The Cylons occupy New Caprica:''
::'''Tyrol:''' "What do you want to do now, Captain?"
::'''Starbuck:''' "The same thing we always do. Fight them until we can't."

== Official Statements ==

From the official site (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/):
When Baltar wins the vote, Roslin considers stealing the election because she believes he is a Cylon collaborator.

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] as [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0443286/ David Kaye] as [[James McManus]]
*Alisen Down as Jean Barclay
*Winston Rekert as Priest

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Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I/Archive 1

2006-03-17T16:14:30Z

Hawke: /* Racetrack's jump — a Cylon plot? */ ugh... bad morning for spelling

Since, according to IMDB, Dean Stockwell has been credited with the role of Brother Cavell (not Cavill) ... should this page be modified? Apparently, one more cylon has been identified.

:Not sure. All the ep guide says is that Cavell is a Humano-Cylon priest. IS it possible that the spoiler is wrong and he's really just a religious leader (possibly replacing Elosha) who is promoting a Human-Cylon peace? --Ltcrashdown 22:19, 5 February 2006 (EST)

::I've been spoiled, and can tell you that he is indeed a Cylon (unless he has an identical twin brother). [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:49, 4 March 2006 (EST)
:::Ummm... dude, thanks for spoiling me. Grrr.... --[[User:stealthboy|stealthboy]] 10:38, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Found some pics - Spoiler Warning - http://pics.livejournal.com/ravenclawdrew/gallery/0000wa1h - [[User:Lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 12:30, 11 February, 2006

::Yeah I saw those too; it's what I based the info about Baltar running for President on (look really hard).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:40, 10 February 2006 (EST)

I am starting to think these spoilers were to throw us off the track...

== Editing ==
Corrected a number of spelling mistakes - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 3rd March, 2006

Note to everyone: I tend to make a lot of spelling mistakes because I'm hurrying, and worrying about spelling makes it harder for me to concentrate and focus on the information, and slows me down alot; I usually try to proofread my stuff when I'm "done" with an episode (after most of the notes and stuff around done) but I still tend to leave a typo here or there. I appreciate the spelling help. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:55, 3 March 2006 (CST)

Merovingian, don't worry, the quality article makes "up" for it ;) i do the same thing as well when it comes to writing up an article - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 3rd March, 2006

:Yeah I usually only worry about spelling around Sundays, by which time we're more or less done. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:04, 3 March 2006 (CST)

::I think this is the right approach. We obviously want the capsule summaries sooner rather than later. And we don't criticise authors' typos as English may not be their native tongue and in any event if we waited for perfection we'd still be on the miniseries. [[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 08:14, 4 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Count Discussion 1 ==
How many Raptors are lost in the misjump into the mountain? One or two? I only thought it was on when I watched the episode and edited the summary to reflect this, but it seems '''everybody''' else seems to think it was a pair. Starbuck did say two names, but I interpreted those to be the pilot and ECO of a single Raptor. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 01:29, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:Helo says they have 17 Raptors left. They already lost Racetrack's. They then say two names, and Starbuck says "we lost Raptore six twelve"; Now, this sounds confusing, but I don't think she said "Raptor 612"; I think she said "Raptors 6, 12" out of 20. Plus she did say two names; in addition, it wasn't just pilots but also marines, so one name wouldn't make as much sense. Although a little fuzzy, this still fits the "19-17=2" thing, instead of us jumping to believe that another Raptor got lost in a completely undocumented event. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:36, 4 March 2006 (CST)

::I remember hearing Helo say they had seventeen left after (I thought) a single one had been lost in the mountain and thinking nineteen was an odd starting number, having missed the earlier reference to the entire complement being twenty. If the starting force did indeed number twenty, it seems clear two Raptors were indeed lost in the final jump and I was mistaken. I will point out, however, that Starbuck would be much less likely to know the names of marines lost on board a ship, while it's almost a given she would know who the flight crew were. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 02:01, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:::Helo actually says, "Wait a minute, we lost ''another'' Raptor. I'm only reading 17 ''out there''." His DRADIS screen doesn't display the Raptor they are in - that behavior was shown clearly in Scattered. Galactica's DRADIS was completely empty when they were seperated from the fleet, it didn't show Galactica itself as a single contact. So, clearly, Helo is talking about there being 17 other Raptors, in addition to the one he, Starbuck, and Sharon are in. In addition, Starbuck clearly says Raptor, not Raptors, and it is extremely unlikely that she would verbally separate a list of two numbers with an implied comma rather than the word 'and'. Not to mention, Raptors are commonly referred to by their 3-digit flight number. So only two Raptors were lost - Racetrack's miscalculated jump, and Raptor 612, which jumped into the mountain. Eighteen landed safely on Caprica. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 09:00, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::::Xenophon is right on the money. Oh well, this means I don't have to right all that. I suddenly want to read "The Ten Thousand" again... --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:24, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::::And just to chime in, if there were only 17 raptors, then Kara would have had to scrub the mission, so 18 did land on Caprica. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 23:05, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Count Discussion 2 ==
Questions:
#Did we get the 20 raptor count in dialog?
#We lost Racetrack on the first jump and Raptor 612 on the last. The SAR team had 17 raptors after that, so if they started off with 20, they lost one other in between. Only Raptor 612 got up close and personal with the mountain. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:51, 4 March 2006 (CST)
:No, Farago. She said "RaptorS 6, 12". They lost 2 in the final jump, 1 when Racetrack got lost, and none in between. Starbuck lists off two names. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:12, 4 March 2006 (CST)
:Counting the one they're in (Helo said something like "there are only 17 Raptors '''out there'''") it would have to be Raptor 612 (they've paused like that before in dialogue "Raptor 6..12").
*17 other survivors
*Starbucks (one with Heavy Raider brain)
*612 (in mountain)
*Racetracks
=20
::Helo is in Starbuck's Raptor, which would not show up on his screen. The correct count is Helo/Starbuck's ship, + Racetrack, + Raptor 612 (lost in the mountain), + 17 others = 20. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 09:28, 5 March 2006 (CST)

:::Yes, but are we ''certain'' there were 20 raptors to begin with? It's not given in dialog, and I haven't been able to get a good count from any CGI shots. According to sadgeezer, these are the pilots that checkin with Starbuck over wireless:
:::#Headcase
:::#Swordsman
:::#Shoestrap
:::#Scumball
:::#Milko
:::#Skylar
:::#Ronin
:::#Brake
:::#Boulion
:::#Steaker
:::#Hamster
:::#Bo
:::#Chaser
:::#Godama
:::#Charlieman
:::#Starcloud
:::#Racetrack
:::#Callon
:::#...and Starbuck.
:::I suppose the raptor piloted by "Toughguy" and "Carousel" makes 20. I also hear an unintellgable name between "Swordsman" and "Shoestrap", but I can't actually hear "Toughguy" either - they might be the same person. I think it's worth noting that [[Stubbs]] isn't on this list - this reinforces my opinion that he was the pilot killed in "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I", but I suppose it's possible that he's still around and just opted out of the mission.
:::--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:00, 5 March 2006 (CST)

::::I'm confused - I don't remember hearing that many checkins. The only time I recall them doing it, I heard at most a couple followed by Racetrack and then they were done. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 22:48, 5 March 2006 (CST)

The checkins were in the background while Helo talked to Sharon. Additionally, they did only lose one Raptor (Helo continually refers to losing one Raptor, in the singular) and his exact line was "they jumped inside the mountain". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 12:38, 7 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Reconciliation ==
In Scar the mining ship was mining metals for ''Pegasus's'' production teams to construct new vipers. Isn't it possible they produced some raptors as well?
:It might be, but just like an automobile factory, it would probably take substantial effort and material to re-tool the ''Pegasus'' viper factory for raptors. Switching to another variety of the same vehicle (Corollas to Camrys, or Mark II vipers to Mark VII) takes some doing; this would be a much bigger change. [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 5 March 2006 6:08 p.m. (EST).
::Well, the Pegasus has the capablility to build one craft in it's air wing. Logically, she should also be able to produce other ones. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 18:59, 5 March 2006 (CST)
::Actually many automobile assembly lines are being designed now to allow for multiple models to be built at the same time. For example, BMW's new plant in Leipzig can produce all 10 BMW models on the same assembly line. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 22:59, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Jump and FTL Physics ==
BTW: in case anyone was wondering later; in the podcast, RDM confirms that by "jumped into the mountain" he doesn't mean "they jumped close to it and thus crashed", he means, exactly like a ''Star Trek'' transporter accident, that they materialized from the Jump "in solid rock" like a transporter accident. Cool. (It's what I assumed too).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:39, 4 March 2006 (CST)

::If the FTL drive works by opening up a wormhole then it seems like jumping into a mountain would create a sphear of rock that would be 'jumped' into space while the raptor swapped places with it. Likewise a puff of air would be seen if you were observing the spot from which the the raptors made their final jump into the atomosphere. If that was the case it would be possible for the unfortunate raptor to just jump itself out of the mountain. On the other hand perhaps opening up the wormhole w/one end in the mountain perhaps the raptor collided with the rock that was being 'jumped out' leaving its transponder intact inside the mountain but the raptor & its crew would be smashed up. If this is the case FTL's could make useful mining tools. If some valuable ore is buried at the center of a planet or star just use an FTL to open up a wormhole and let it come out. Say your water tanks are empty. Just open up a wormhole inside the tank with the other end in some fresh water lake & the water will pour out and fill you up. -- ''attributed to'' [[User:Boonton|Boonton]] ''@ unknown time''

:::Oh man, you're getting into quantum physics, and while that makes for a fascinating discussion (appropriate for here, if you wish), I'll prefix this by saying that RDM has stated, several times, that he's not one for techno-babble-geekiness. Let's just figure the folks in that Raptor got "rocked" (sorry, bad pun... I could have said "stoned") and won't be seen again. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:49, 6 March 2006 (CST)

:::Fair point. I love that RDM has kept away from geeking the series up with psuedo-science but the mind can't help but wonder about these things. --[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 14:09, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Events / Politics / Theology Discussion ==
Hey all, I find it interesting that the discussion automatically focuses on counting Raptors and figuring out how the technical things work. Can we perhaps add some discussion about the actual events of the show, and the characters? To me, the draw of the show is the fact that it's actually a character drama that just happens to be set in space... Ron Moore has said many times that he doesn't feel the need to explain how everything works, and I think that goes a long way in making it a successful show. The last time I really saw that was the original Star Wars. With no explaination of all the sci-fi tech, you more readily accepted "their" world and just went along for the ride, instead of getting caught up on minutia of how FTL works, etc. Thoughts? Or am I just out there...? -- [[User:stealthboy|stealthboy]] 10:23, 7 March 2006 (EST)

:: I agree, this episode put forth some interesting ideas about religion. Brother Cavell, who I would expect to be putting forth a stelth version of the cyclon religion, more or less ripped apart the idea of praying to the gods for help. Is he trying to weaken the colonials faith in polytheism in order to pave the ground for a cyclon conversion effort to monotheism?

::In politics I found the camapaign by Baltar to settle the planet to be odd. How many modern people could be dropped off in untamed wilderness and make a settlement from scratch? I for one would rather have the comfort of a modern ship to live in until we find a world pre-populated with friendly people.

::Finally the rescue mission struck me as odd as well. This seems like an incredibly risky mission to send the best of the best on in order to achieve the slim hope of recuing a handful of people. Will Galactica and the fleet just wait around for them to return? What if they all get killed, how long can the fleet wait to see if this gamble pays off?--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 14:32, 7 March 2006 (CST)
:::About Brother Cavel, he criticized prayer - not the Lords of Kobol. He said the problem was with Tyrol, not them.
:::About the campaign, the people voted based on hope not reality. They're not thinking of how hard it will be down there, and won't until they actually have to make a living.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:00, 8 March 2006 (EST)

== Music? ==
Does anyone know the music playing the the background from the first few scenes of this episode? --[[User:PioneerCreative|PioneerCreative]] 23:33, 3 March 2006 (CST)

== Earth? ==
Is the planet in this episode [[Earth]]? -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 09:06, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:No. The leaders know roughly where Earth is, and it's very far away from their current position. [[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 09:13, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::Not to mention that Earth is neither barren nor hidden in a nebula. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:47, 4 March 2006 (EST)
:::Not now, at least. [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 15:30, 4 March 2006 (EST)

== Noodles Note==
I think the noodles note on this went on far longer than it should; just leave it with "this is something his father did too": pointing out all of the superstitions and stuff just ran on--->unless RDM himself mentions this kind of thing in the podcast, she should not use it here; RDM indeed did not mention it in the podcast for LDYB part I. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:05, 5 March 2006 (CST)

== Spoilers - Right or Wrong? ==
So were the spoilers that were posted before the episode aired a red herring? The planet was not offered by the cyclons as part of a peace initive. Since one of the selling points of this planet is that it is supposedly unlikely to be found by the cyclons wouldn't any of them showing up in part 2 basically spoil the whole idea? -- ''attributed to'' [[User:Boonton|Boonton]] ''@ unknown time''

== Racetrack's jump — a Cylon plot? ==
From the topic page: ''"On the very first jump out of the series of ten, Racetrack's Raptor jumps to the wrong set of coordinates"''.

OK, that could be all there is to it... '''OR''' (entering [[Wikipedia:Tin-foil hat|tinfoil-hat]] mode) it could all have been a Cylon plot. Consider: a Cylon navigation computer, interfacing to a Cylon, calculates the jump coordinates for all 20 Raptors. Isn't it at least conceivable the nav computer deliberately gave out misleading coordinates, thus sending one of the Raptors near to the planet now known as New Caprica?

# Suppose the heavy raider computer "knew" of New Caprica? Perhaps it had been there on some previous survey mission or maybe the planet was already known by the Cylons.
# The nav computer might have had a conversation with [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|''Caprica''-Sharon]] when she interfaced to it, possibly even below Sharon's level of consciousness. (Hence Sharon's "foreboding"...a little reminscent of Walter Pidgeon in ''Forbidden Planet'').
# The Cylons appear not to want to extinguish the rest of humanity, at least not now. Penning humans up in a known location would give Cylons time to figure out what they '''do''' want to do with the remnants of humanity. No guarantee humans finding the planet would result in them staying there, but no harm in trying.
# At this stage of the series, Caprica-Sharon isn't too fond of any humans and may have dredged up New Caprica from some long-forgotten database (if the navigation computer didn't already know).
# What kind of error would lead to such a misjump anyway? If this happened even once every ten thousand jumps that would be way too often for the colonial fleet. There must be plenty of safeguards -- at least as much as today's Internet, say -- to ensure the coordinates received match the ones transmitted. Ah, but there's no error involved if the wrong coordinates are deliberately sent in the first place.

I'm not sure I subscribe to this, but am offering it as at least a hypothesis worthy of consideration.

A first reaction to this idea might be to recall the explanation offered by the Cylons when they came for Baltar's surrender: "We Cylons found an atomic explosion signature". That would seem to imply everything happened by chance. Maybe. Maybe not. Space is vast. I mean really big. Coming upon a detectable trace of a puny atomic explosion after a years' worth of dispersion is almost laughably unlikely. Possibly this was just an excuse offered to hide the ''real'' explanation: a homing beacon built by a [[Cylon agent]], or perhaps an exhaustive Cylon search of all known habitable planets. There are lots of reasons for Cylons to lie.

I find this explanation more believable than the ''triple'' coincidence of the wrong jump coordinates, then two races finding the same remote, "hidden" planet (they should have called it [[Wikipedia:Gondolin|Gondolin]]) within a year of one another. One event: coincidence. Two events: suspicious. Three events: enemy action. --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 19:43, 16 March 2006 (CST)

:I think you are grasping at straws with these hypothesese. We need more understanding onscreen about the working of cylon systems before we can say that such internal thinking is happening. In any case, it doesn't seem plausible that such detailed planning is going on in lower subsystems. The error that caused the misjump wasn't a typical FTL error, but an error caused by forcing the raptor to jump a distance by far greater than it was initially designed to jump, let's say for example 10 times. Forcing a system to exceed its original limitations will most certainly cause errors to occur. Remember, their success rate was 18 successful raptors out of 20, only 90%. The only coinsodence that truly is a coincidence is finding the planet in the first place, but if you've watched enough movies and shows, coincidences are part of fictional programming and should be expected. And yes, space is vast, but that nuclear explosion was a big explosion and today we are now detecting Brown Dwarfs (sub-stars) now that don't even have nuclear reactions going with todays telescopes. So far the Cylons to detect a nuclear explosion from 1 light year out seems fairly reasonable. They didn't see the planet, they saw the radiation produced by the explosion traveling at the speed of light to the location their search party was at. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:53, 17 March 2006 (MST)

: Why is chance and luck (or, good fortune) so hard to believe? And what are these "triple coincidences" of which you speak? There ''are'' such things as "benevolent accidents" or "chance encounters", wherein a number gets transposed and it results in something completely different than what you expected. Take something as innocuous as a phone number –such as 555-2435. You transpose the number to 555-2345, and dial. Are you going to get the person or party you expected? No. But hey, you might stumble upon someone ''else'' that you didn't expect, and find out that that number belongs to a Chinese restaurant (you were expecting a Pizza joint), or a bank, or ... maybe a hot-sounding chick. Who knows? It happens all the time.

:Granted, the infinite vastness of space makes this event '''''extremely''''' far-fetched. It would have been far more believeable had Racetrack's Raptor jumped into "no-wheresville", with absolutely nothing around. But this is a Sci-fi drama, and where's the fun in that? Instead, the writers will give luck & chance a bit of a nudge, and have our heroes hit the ball on the first swing. I completely believe that the Cylons didn't know that this planet existed (or if they did, it wasn't on their priority shopping list), and wouldn't have known '''''had not'''''' Gina-Six detonated that nuclear warhead (In the buff, too! Wow, no tan lines!). The Cylons have already admitted that they are particularly attuned to/affected by radiation and thermonuclear events, so it stands to reason that the sensor arrays on their BaseStars would be hyper-sensitive to any thermonuclear events nearby. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 10:09, 17 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I/Archive 1

2006-03-17T16:09:52Z

Hawke: /* Racetrack's jump — a Cylon plot? */

Since, according to IMDB, Dean Stockwell has been credited with the role of Brother Cavell (not Cavill) ... should this page be modified? Apparently, one more cylon has been identified.

:Not sure. All the ep guide says is that Cavell is a Humano-Cylon priest. IS it possible that the spoiler is wrong and he's really just a religious leader (possibly replacing Elosha) who is promoting a Human-Cylon peace? --Ltcrashdown 22:19, 5 February 2006 (EST)

::I've been spoiled, and can tell you that he is indeed a Cylon (unless he has an identical twin brother). [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:49, 4 March 2006 (EST)
:::Ummm... dude, thanks for spoiling me. Grrr.... --[[User:stealthboy|stealthboy]] 10:38, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Found some pics - Spoiler Warning - http://pics.livejournal.com/ravenclawdrew/gallery/0000wa1h - [[User:Lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 12:30, 11 February, 2006

::Yeah I saw those too; it's what I based the info about Baltar running for President on (look really hard).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:40, 10 February 2006 (EST)

I am starting to think these spoilers were to throw us off the track...

== Editing ==
Corrected a number of spelling mistakes - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 3rd March, 2006

Note to everyone: I tend to make a lot of spelling mistakes because I'm hurrying, and worrying about spelling makes it harder for me to concentrate and focus on the information, and slows me down alot; I usually try to proofread my stuff when I'm "done" with an episode (after most of the notes and stuff around done) but I still tend to leave a typo here or there. I appreciate the spelling help. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:55, 3 March 2006 (CST)

Merovingian, don't worry, the quality article makes "up" for it ;) i do the same thing as well when it comes to writing up an article - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 3rd March, 2006

:Yeah I usually only worry about spelling around Sundays, by which time we're more or less done. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:04, 3 March 2006 (CST)

::I think this is the right approach. We obviously want the capsule summaries sooner rather than later. And we don't criticise authors' typos as English may not be their native tongue and in any event if we waited for perfection we'd still be on the miniseries. [[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 08:14, 4 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Count Discussion 1 ==
How many Raptors are lost in the misjump into the mountain? One or two? I only thought it was on when I watched the episode and edited the summary to reflect this, but it seems '''everybody''' else seems to think it was a pair. Starbuck did say two names, but I interpreted those to be the pilot and ECO of a single Raptor. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 01:29, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:Helo says they have 17 Raptors left. They already lost Racetrack's. They then say two names, and Starbuck says "we lost Raptore six twelve"; Now, this sounds confusing, but I don't think she said "Raptor 612"; I think she said "Raptors 6, 12" out of 20. Plus she did say two names; in addition, it wasn't just pilots but also marines, so one name wouldn't make as much sense. Although a little fuzzy, this still fits the "19-17=2" thing, instead of us jumping to believe that another Raptor got lost in a completely undocumented event. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:36, 4 March 2006 (CST)

::I remember hearing Helo say they had seventeen left after (I thought) a single one had been lost in the mountain and thinking nineteen was an odd starting number, having missed the earlier reference to the entire complement being twenty. If the starting force did indeed number twenty, it seems clear two Raptors were indeed lost in the final jump and I was mistaken. I will point out, however, that Starbuck would be much less likely to know the names of marines lost on board a ship, while it's almost a given she would know who the flight crew were. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 02:01, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:::Helo actually says, "Wait a minute, we lost ''another'' Raptor. I'm only reading 17 ''out there''." His DRADIS screen doesn't display the Raptor they are in - that behavior was shown clearly in Scattered. Galactica's DRADIS was completely empty when they were seperated from the fleet, it didn't show Galactica itself as a single contact. So, clearly, Helo is talking about there being 17 other Raptors, in addition to the one he, Starbuck, and Sharon are in. In addition, Starbuck clearly says Raptor, not Raptors, and it is extremely unlikely that she would verbally separate a list of two numbers with an implied comma rather than the word 'and'. Not to mention, Raptors are commonly referred to by their 3-digit flight number. So only two Raptors were lost - Racetrack's miscalculated jump, and Raptor 612, which jumped into the mountain. Eighteen landed safely on Caprica. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 09:00, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::::Xenophon is right on the money. Oh well, this means I don't have to right all that. I suddenly want to read "The Ten Thousand" again... --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:24, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::::And just to chime in, if there were only 17 raptors, then Kara would have had to scrub the mission, so 18 did land on Caprica. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 23:05, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Count Discussion 2 ==
Questions:
#Did we get the 20 raptor count in dialog?
#We lost Racetrack on the first jump and Raptor 612 on the last. The SAR team had 17 raptors after that, so if they started off with 20, they lost one other in between. Only Raptor 612 got up close and personal with the mountain. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:51, 4 March 2006 (CST)
:No, Farago. She said "RaptorS 6, 12". They lost 2 in the final jump, 1 when Racetrack got lost, and none in between. Starbuck lists off two names. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:12, 4 March 2006 (CST)
:Counting the one they're in (Helo said something like "there are only 17 Raptors '''out there'''") it would have to be Raptor 612 (they've paused like that before in dialogue "Raptor 6..12").
*17 other survivors
*Starbucks (one with Heavy Raider brain)
*612 (in mountain)
*Racetracks
=20
::Helo is in Starbuck's Raptor, which would not show up on his screen. The correct count is Helo/Starbuck's ship, + Racetrack, + Raptor 612 (lost in the mountain), + 17 others = 20. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 09:28, 5 March 2006 (CST)

:::Yes, but are we ''certain'' there were 20 raptors to begin with? It's not given in dialog, and I haven't been able to get a good count from any CGI shots. According to sadgeezer, these are the pilots that checkin with Starbuck over wireless:
:::#Headcase
:::#Swordsman
:::#Shoestrap
:::#Scumball
:::#Milko
:::#Skylar
:::#Ronin
:::#Brake
:::#Boulion
:::#Steaker
:::#Hamster
:::#Bo
:::#Chaser
:::#Godama
:::#Charlieman
:::#Starcloud
:::#Racetrack
:::#Callon
:::#...and Starbuck.
:::I suppose the raptor piloted by "Toughguy" and "Carousel" makes 20. I also hear an unintellgable name between "Swordsman" and "Shoestrap", but I can't actually hear "Toughguy" either - they might be the same person. I think it's worth noting that [[Stubbs]] isn't on this list - this reinforces my opinion that he was the pilot killed in "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I", but I suppose it's possible that he's still around and just opted out of the mission.
:::--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:00, 5 March 2006 (CST)

::::I'm confused - I don't remember hearing that many checkins. The only time I recall them doing it, I heard at most a couple followed by Racetrack and then they were done. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 22:48, 5 March 2006 (CST)

The checkins were in the background while Helo talked to Sharon. Additionally, they did only lose one Raptor (Helo continually refers to losing one Raptor, in the singular) and his exact line was "they jumped inside the mountain". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 12:38, 7 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Reconciliation ==
In Scar the mining ship was mining metals for ''Pegasus's'' production teams to construct new vipers. Isn't it possible they produced some raptors as well?
:It might be, but just like an automobile factory, it would probably take substantial effort and material to re-tool the ''Pegasus'' viper factory for raptors. Switching to another variety of the same vehicle (Corollas to Camrys, or Mark II vipers to Mark VII) takes some doing; this would be a much bigger change. [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 5 March 2006 6:08 p.m. (EST).
::Well, the Pegasus has the capablility to build one craft in it's air wing. Logically, she should also be able to produce other ones. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 18:59, 5 March 2006 (CST)
::Actually many automobile assembly lines are being designed now to allow for multiple models to be built at the same time. For example, BMW's new plant in Leipzig can produce all 10 BMW models on the same assembly line. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 22:59, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Jump and FTL Physics ==
BTW: in case anyone was wondering later; in the podcast, RDM confirms that by "jumped into the mountain" he doesn't mean "they jumped close to it and thus crashed", he means, exactly like a ''Star Trek'' transporter accident, that they materialized from the Jump "in solid rock" like a transporter accident. Cool. (It's what I assumed too).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:39, 4 March 2006 (CST)

::If the FTL drive works by opening up a wormhole then it seems like jumping into a mountain would create a sphear of rock that would be 'jumped' into space while the raptor swapped places with it. Likewise a puff of air would be seen if you were observing the spot from which the the raptors made their final jump into the atomosphere. If that was the case it would be possible for the unfortunate raptor to just jump itself out of the mountain. On the other hand perhaps opening up the wormhole w/one end in the mountain perhaps the raptor collided with the rock that was being 'jumped out' leaving its transponder intact inside the mountain but the raptor & its crew would be smashed up. If this is the case FTL's could make useful mining tools. If some valuable ore is buried at the center of a planet or star just use an FTL to open up a wormhole and let it come out. Say your water tanks are empty. Just open up a wormhole inside the tank with the other end in some fresh water lake & the water will pour out and fill you up. -- ''attributed to'' [[User:Boonton|Boonton]] ''@ unknown time''

:::Oh man, you're getting into quantum physics, and while that makes for a fascinating discussion (appropriate for here, if you wish), I'll prefix this by saying that RDM has stated, several times, that he's not one for techno-babble-geekiness. Let's just figure the folks in that Raptor got "rocked" (sorry, bad pun... I could have said "stoned") and won't be seen again. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:49, 6 March 2006 (CST)

:::Fair point. I love that RDM has kept away from geeking the series up with psuedo-science but the mind can't help but wonder about these things. --[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 14:09, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Events / Politics / Theology Discussion ==
Hey all, I find it interesting that the discussion automatically focuses on counting Raptors and figuring out how the technical things work. Can we perhaps add some discussion about the actual events of the show, and the characters? To me, the draw of the show is the fact that it's actually a character drama that just happens to be set in space... Ron Moore has said many times that he doesn't feel the need to explain how everything works, and I think that goes a long way in making it a successful show. The last time I really saw that was the original Star Wars. With no explaination of all the sci-fi tech, you more readily accepted "their" world and just went along for the ride, instead of getting caught up on minutia of how FTL works, etc. Thoughts? Or am I just out there...? -- [[User:stealthboy|stealthboy]] 10:23, 7 March 2006 (EST)

:: I agree, this episode put forth some interesting ideas about religion. Brother Cavell, who I would expect to be putting forth a stelth version of the cyclon religion, more or less ripped apart the idea of praying to the gods for help. Is he trying to weaken the colonials faith in polytheism in order to pave the ground for a cyclon conversion effort to monotheism?

::In politics I found the camapaign by Baltar to settle the planet to be odd. How many modern people could be dropped off in untamed wilderness and make a settlement from scratch? I for one would rather have the comfort of a modern ship to live in until we find a world pre-populated with friendly people.

::Finally the rescue mission struck me as odd as well. This seems like an incredibly risky mission to send the best of the best on in order to achieve the slim hope of recuing a handful of people. Will Galactica and the fleet just wait around for them to return? What if they all get killed, how long can the fleet wait to see if this gamble pays off?--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 14:32, 7 March 2006 (CST)
:::About Brother Cavel, he criticized prayer - not the Lords of Kobol. He said the problem was with Tyrol, not them.
:::About the campaign, the people voted based on hope not reality. They're not thinking of how hard it will be down there, and won't until they actually have to make a living.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:00, 8 March 2006 (EST)

== Music? ==
Does anyone know the music playing the the background from the first few scenes of this episode? --[[User:PioneerCreative|PioneerCreative]] 23:33, 3 March 2006 (CST)

== Earth? ==
Is the planet in this episode [[Earth]]? -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 09:06, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:No. The leaders know roughly where Earth is, and it's very far away from their current position. [[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 09:13, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::Not to mention that Earth is neither barren nor hidden in a nebula. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:47, 4 March 2006 (EST)
:::Not now, at least. [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 15:30, 4 March 2006 (EST)

== Noodles Note==
I think the noodles note on this went on far longer than it should; just leave it with "this is something his father did too": pointing out all of the superstitions and stuff just ran on--->unless RDM himself mentions this kind of thing in the podcast, she should not use it here; RDM indeed did not mention it in the podcast for LDYB part I. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:05, 5 March 2006 (CST)

== Spoilers - Right or Wrong? ==
So were the spoilers that were posted before the episode aired a red herring? The planet was not offered by the cyclons as part of a peace initive. Since one of the selling points of this planet is that it is supposedly unlikely to be found by the cyclons wouldn't any of them showing up in part 2 basically spoil the whole idea? -- ''attributed to'' [[User:Boonton|Boonton]] ''@ unknown time''

== Racetrack's jump — a Cylon plot? ==
From the topic page: ''"On the very first jump out of the series of ten, Racetrack's Raptor jumps to the wrong set of coordinates"''.

OK, that could be all there is to it... '''OR''' (entering [[Wikipedia:Tin-foil hat|tinfoil-hat]] mode) it could all have been a Cylon plot. Consider: a Cylon navigation computer, interfacing to a Cylon, calculates the jump coordinates for all 20 Raptors. Isn't it at least conceivable the nav computer deliberately gave out misleading coordinates, thus sending one of the Raptors near to the planet now known as New Caprica?

# Suppose the heavy raider computer "knew" of New Caprica? Perhaps it had been there on some previous survey mission or maybe the planet was already known by the Cylons.
# The nav computer might have had a conversation with [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|''Caprica''-Sharon]] when she interfaced to it, possibly even below Sharon's level of consciousness. (Hence Sharon's "foreboding"...a little reminscent of Walter Pidgeon in ''Forbidden Planet'').
# The Cylons appear not to want to extinguish the rest of humanity, at least not now. Penning humans up in a known location would give Cylons time to figure out what they '''do''' want to do with the remnants of humanity. No guarantee humans finding the planet would result in them staying there, but no harm in trying.
# At this stage of the series, Caprica-Sharon isn't too fond of any humans and may have dredged up New Caprica from some long-forgotten database (if the navigation computer didn't already know).
# What kind of error would lead to such a misjump anyway? If this happened even once every ten thousand jumps that would be way too often for the colonial fleet. There must be plenty of safeguards -- at least as much as today's Internet, say -- to ensure the coordinates received match the ones transmitted. Ah, but there's no error involved if the wrong coordinates are deliberately sent in the first place.

I'm not sure I subscribe to this, but am offering it as at least a hypothesis worthy of consideration.

A first reaction to this idea might be to recall the explanation offered by the Cylons when they came for Baltar's surrender: "We Cylons found an atomic explosion signature". That would seem to imply everything happened by chance. Maybe. Maybe not. Space is vast. I mean really big. Coming upon a detectable trace of a puny atomic explosion after a years' worth of dispersion is almost laughably unlikely. Possibly this was just an excuse offered to hide the ''real'' explanation: a homing beacon built by a [[Cylon agent]], or perhaps an exhaustive Cylon search of all known habitable planets. There are lots of reasons for Cylons to lie.

I find this explanation more believable than the ''triple'' coincidence of the wrong jump coordinates, then two races finding the same remote, "hidden" planet (they should have called it [[Wikipedia:Gondolin|Gondolin]]) within a year of one another. One event: coincidence. Two events: suspicious. Three events: enemy action. --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 19:43, 16 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you are grasping at straws with these hypothesese. We need more understanding onscreen about the working of cylon systems before we can say that such internal thinking is happening. In any case, it doesn't seem plausible that such detailed planning is going on in lower subsystems. The error that caused the misjump wasn't a typical FTL error, but an error caused by forcing the raptor to jump a distance by far greater than it was initially designed to jump, let's say for example 10 times. Forcing a system to exceed its original limitations will most certainly cause errors to occur. Remember, their success rate was 18 successful raptors out of 20, only 90%. The only coinsodence that truly is a coincidence is finding the planet in the first place, but if you've watched enough movies and shows, coincidences are part of fictional programming and should be expected. And yes, space is vast, but that nuclear explosion was a big explosion and today we are now detecting Brown Dwarfs (sub-stars) now that don't even have nuclear reactions going with todays telescopes. So far the Cylons to detect a nuclear explosion from 1 light year out seems fairly reasonable. They didn't see the planet, they saw the radiation produced by the explosion traveling at the speed of light to the location their search party was at. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:53, 17 March 2006 (MST)

:Why is chance and luck (or, good fortune) so hard to believe? And what are these "triple coincidences" of which you speak? There ''are'' such things as "benevolent accidents" or "chance encounters", wherein a number gets transposed and it results in something completely different than what you expected. Take something as innocuous as a phone number &ndash 555-2435. You transpose the number to 555-2345, and dial. Are you going to get the person or party you expected? No. But hey, you might stumble upon someone ''else'' that you didn't expect, and find out that that number belongs to a Chinese restaurant (you were expecting a Pizza joint), or a bank, or ... maybe a hot-sounding chick. Who knows? It happens all the time.

:Granted, the infinite vastness of space makes this event '''''extremely''''' far-fetched. It would have been far more believeable had Racetrack's Raptor jumped into "no-wheresville", with absolutely nothing around. But this is a Sci-fi drama, and where's the fun in that? Instead, the writers will give luck & chance a bit of a nudge, and have our heroes hit the ball on the first swing. I completely believe that the Cylons didn't know that this planet existed (or if they did, it wasn't on their priority shopping list), and wouldn't have known '''''had not'''''' Gina-Six detonated that nuclear warhead (In the buff, too! Wow, no tan lines!). The Cylons have already admitted that they are particularly attuned to/affected by radiation and thermonuclear events, so it stands to reason that the sensor arrays on their BaseStars would be hyper-sensitive to any thermonuclear events nearby. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 10:09, 17 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I/Archive 1

2006-03-17T15:47:36Z

Hawke: I did _NOT_ change/alter any content. I only re-ordered and grouped like threads into segments for ease of reading & indexing (via internal TOC). The scrolling was _killing_ me.

Since, according to IMDB, Dean Stockwell has been credited with the role of Brother Cavell (not Cavill) ... should this page be modified? Apparently, one more cylon has been identified.

:Not sure. All the ep guide says is that Cavell is a Humano-Cylon priest. IS it possible that the spoiler is wrong and he's really just a religious leader (possibly replacing Elosha) who is promoting a Human-Cylon peace? --Ltcrashdown 22:19, 5 February 2006 (EST)

::I've been spoiled, and can tell you that he is indeed a Cylon (unless he has an identical twin brother). [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:49, 4 March 2006 (EST)
:::Ummm... dude, thanks for spoiling me. Grrr.... --[[User:stealthboy|stealthboy]] 10:38, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Found some pics - Spoiler Warning - http://pics.livejournal.com/ravenclawdrew/gallery/0000wa1h - [[User:Lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 12:30, 11 February, 2006

::Yeah I saw those too; it's what I based the info about Baltar running for President on (look really hard).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:40, 10 February 2006 (EST)

I am starting to think these spoilers were to throw us off the track...

== Editing ==
Corrected a number of spelling mistakes - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 3rd March, 2006

Note to everyone: I tend to make a lot of spelling mistakes because I'm hurrying, and worrying about spelling makes it harder for me to concentrate and focus on the information, and slows me down alot; I usually try to proofread my stuff when I'm "done" with an episode (after most of the notes and stuff around done) but I still tend to leave a typo here or there. I appreciate the spelling help. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:55, 3 March 2006 (CST)

Merovingian, don't worry, the quality article makes "up" for it ;) i do the same thing as well when it comes to writing up an article - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 3rd March, 2006

:Yeah I usually only worry about spelling around Sundays, by which time we're more or less done. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:04, 3 March 2006 (CST)

::I think this is the right approach. We obviously want the capsule summaries sooner rather than later. And we don't criticise authors' typos as English may not be their native tongue and in any event if we waited for perfection we'd still be on the miniseries. [[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 08:14, 4 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Count Discussion 1 ==
How many Raptors are lost in the misjump into the mountain? One or two? I only thought it was on when I watched the episode and edited the summary to reflect this, but it seems '''everybody''' else seems to think it was a pair. Starbuck did say two names, but I interpreted those to be the pilot and ECO of a single Raptor. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 01:29, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:Helo says they have 17 Raptors left. They already lost Racetrack's. They then say two names, and Starbuck says "we lost Raptore six twelve"; Now, this sounds confusing, but I don't think she said "Raptor 612"; I think she said "Raptors 6, 12" out of 20. Plus she did say two names; in addition, it wasn't just pilots but also marines, so one name wouldn't make as much sense. Although a little fuzzy, this still fits the "19-17=2" thing, instead of us jumping to believe that another Raptor got lost in a completely undocumented event. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:36, 4 March 2006 (CST)

::I remember hearing Helo say they had seventeen left after (I thought) a single one had been lost in the mountain and thinking nineteen was an odd starting number, having missed the earlier reference to the entire complement being twenty. If the starting force did indeed number twenty, it seems clear two Raptors were indeed lost in the final jump and I was mistaken. I will point out, however, that Starbuck would be much less likely to know the names of marines lost on board a ship, while it's almost a given she would know who the flight crew were. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 02:01, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:::Helo actually says, "Wait a minute, we lost ''another'' Raptor. I'm only reading 17 ''out there''." His DRADIS screen doesn't display the Raptor they are in - that behavior was shown clearly in Scattered. Galactica's DRADIS was completely empty when they were seperated from the fleet, it didn't show Galactica itself as a single contact. So, clearly, Helo is talking about there being 17 other Raptors, in addition to the one he, Starbuck, and Sharon are in. In addition, Starbuck clearly says Raptor, not Raptors, and it is extremely unlikely that she would verbally separate a list of two numbers with an implied comma rather than the word 'and'. Not to mention, Raptors are commonly referred to by their 3-digit flight number. So only two Raptors were lost - Racetrack's miscalculated jump, and Raptor 612, which jumped into the mountain. Eighteen landed safely on Caprica. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 09:00, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::::Xenophon is right on the money. Oh well, this means I don't have to right all that. I suddenly want to read "The Ten Thousand" again... --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:24, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::::And just to chime in, if there were only 17 raptors, then Kara would have had to scrub the mission, so 18 did land on Caprica. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 23:05, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Count Discussion 2 ==
Questions:
#Did we get the 20 raptor count in dialog?
#We lost Racetrack on the first jump and Raptor 612 on the last. The SAR team had 17 raptors after that, so if they started off with 20, they lost one other in between. Only Raptor 612 got up close and personal with the mountain. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:51, 4 March 2006 (CST)
:No, Farago. She said "RaptorS 6, 12". They lost 2 in the final jump, 1 when Racetrack got lost, and none in between. Starbuck lists off two names. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:12, 4 March 2006 (CST)
:Counting the one they're in (Helo said something like "there are only 17 Raptors '''out there'''") it would have to be Raptor 612 (they've paused like that before in dialogue "Raptor 6..12").
*17 other survivors
*Starbucks (one with Heavy Raider brain)
*612 (in mountain)
*Racetracks
=20
::Helo is in Starbuck's Raptor, which would not show up on his screen. The correct count is Helo/Starbuck's ship, + Racetrack, + Raptor 612 (lost in the mountain), + 17 others = 20. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 09:28, 5 March 2006 (CST)

:::Yes, but are we ''certain'' there were 20 raptors to begin with? It's not given in dialog, and I haven't been able to get a good count from any CGI shots. According to sadgeezer, these are the pilots that checkin with Starbuck over wireless:
:::#Headcase
:::#Swordsman
:::#Shoestrap
:::#Scumball
:::#Milko
:::#Skylar
:::#Ronin
:::#Brake
:::#Boulion
:::#Steaker
:::#Hamster
:::#Bo
:::#Chaser
:::#Godama
:::#Charlieman
:::#Starcloud
:::#Racetrack
:::#Callon
:::#...and Starbuck.
:::I suppose the raptor piloted by "Toughguy" and "Carousel" makes 20. I also hear an unintellgable name between "Swordsman" and "Shoestrap", but I can't actually hear "Toughguy" either - they might be the same person. I think it's worth noting that [[Stubbs]] isn't on this list - this reinforces my opinion that he was the pilot killed in "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I", but I suppose it's possible that he's still around and just opted out of the mission.
:::--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:00, 5 March 2006 (CST)

::::I'm confused - I don't remember hearing that many checkins. The only time I recall them doing it, I heard at most a couple followed by Racetrack and then they were done. -[[User:CWD|CWD]] 22:48, 5 March 2006 (CST)

The checkins were in the background while Helo talked to Sharon. Additionally, they did only lose one Raptor (Helo continually refers to losing one Raptor, in the singular) and his exact line was "they jumped inside the mountain". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 12:38, 7 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Reconciliation ==
In Scar the mining ship was mining metals for ''Pegasus's'' production teams to construct new vipers. Isn't it possible they produced some raptors as well?
:It might be, but just like an automobile factory, it would probably take substantial effort and material to re-tool the ''Pegasus'' viper factory for raptors. Switching to another variety of the same vehicle (Corollas to Camrys, or Mark II vipers to Mark VII) takes some doing; this would be a much bigger change. [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 5 March 2006 6:08 p.m. (EST).
::Well, the Pegasus has the capablility to build one craft in it's air wing. Logically, she should also be able to produce other ones. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 18:59, 5 March 2006 (CST)
::Actually many automobile assembly lines are being designed now to allow for multiple models to be built at the same time. For example, BMW's new plant in Leipzig can produce all 10 BMW models on the same assembly line. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 22:59, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Raptor Jump and FTL Physics ==
BTW: in case anyone was wondering later; in the podcast, RDM confirms that by "jumped into the mountain" he doesn't mean "they jumped close to it and thus crashed", he means, exactly like a ''Star Trek'' transporter accident, that they materialized from the Jump "in solid rock" like a transporter accident. Cool. (It's what I assumed too).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:39, 4 March 2006 (CST)

::If the FTL drive works by opening up a wormhole then it seems like jumping into a mountain would create a sphear of rock that would be 'jumped' into space while the raptor swapped places with it. Likewise a puff of air would be seen if you were observing the spot from which the the raptors made their final jump into the atomosphere. If that was the case it would be possible for the unfortunate raptor to just jump itself out of the mountain. On the other hand perhaps opening up the wormhole w/one end in the mountain perhaps the raptor collided with the rock that was being 'jumped out' leaving its transponder intact inside the mountain but the raptor & its crew would be smashed up. If this is the case FTL's could make useful mining tools. If some valuable ore is buried at the center of a planet or star just use an FTL to open up a wormhole and let it come out. Say your water tanks are empty. Just open up a wormhole inside the tank with the other end in some fresh water lake & the water will pour out and fill you up. -- ''attributed to'' [[User:Boonton|Boonton]] ''@ unknown time''

:::Oh man, you're getting into quantum physics, and while that makes for a fascinating discussion (appropriate for here, if you wish), I'll prefix this by saying that RDM has stated, several times, that he's not one for techno-babble-geekiness. Let's just figure the folks in that Raptor got "rocked" (sorry, bad pun... I could have said "stoned") and won't be seen again. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:49, 6 March 2006 (CST)

:::Fair point. I love that RDM has kept away from geeking the series up with psuedo-science but the mind can't help but wonder about these things. --[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 14:09, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Events / Politics / Theology Discussion ==
Hey all, I find it interesting that the discussion automatically focuses on counting Raptors and figuring out how the technical things work. Can we perhaps add some discussion about the actual events of the show, and the characters? To me, the draw of the show is the fact that it's actually a character drama that just happens to be set in space... Ron Moore has said many times that he doesn't feel the need to explain how everything works, and I think that goes a long way in making it a successful show. The last time I really saw that was the original Star Wars. With no explaination of all the sci-fi tech, you more readily accepted "their" world and just went along for the ride, instead of getting caught up on minutia of how FTL works, etc. Thoughts? Or am I just out there...? -- [[User:stealthboy|stealthboy]] 10:23, 7 March 2006 (EST)

:: I agree, this episode put forth some interesting ideas about religion. Brother Cavell, who I would expect to be putting forth a stelth version of the cyclon religion, more or less ripped apart the idea of praying to the gods for help. Is he trying to weaken the colonials faith in polytheism in order to pave the ground for a cyclon conversion effort to monotheism?

::In politics I found the camapaign by Baltar to settle the planet to be odd. How many modern people could be dropped off in untamed wilderness and make a settlement from scratch? I for one would rather have the comfort of a modern ship to live in until we find a world pre-populated with friendly people.

::Finally the rescue mission struck me as odd as well. This seems like an incredibly risky mission to send the best of the best on in order to achieve the slim hope of recuing a handful of people. Will Galactica and the fleet just wait around for them to return? What if they all get killed, how long can the fleet wait to see if this gamble pays off?--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 14:32, 7 March 2006 (CST)
:::About Brother Cavel, he criticized prayer - not the Lords of Kobol. He said the problem was with Tyrol, not them.
:::About the campaign, the people voted based on hope not reality. They're not thinking of how hard it will be down there, and won't until they actually have to make a living.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:00, 8 March 2006 (EST)

== Music? ==
Does anyone know the music playing the the background from the first few scenes of this episode? --[[User:PioneerCreative|PioneerCreative]] 23:33, 3 March 2006 (CST)

== Earth? ==
Is the planet in this episode [[Earth]]? -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 09:06, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:No. The leaders know roughly where Earth is, and it's very far away from their current position. [[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 09:13, 4 March 2006 (CST)
::Not to mention that Earth is neither barren nor hidden in a nebula. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:47, 4 March 2006 (EST)
:::Not now, at least. [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 15:30, 4 March 2006 (EST)

== Noodles Note==
I think the noodles note on this went on far longer than it should; just leave it with "this is something his father did too": pointing out all of the superstitions and stuff just ran on--->unless RDM himself mentions this kind of thing in the podcast, she should not use it here; RDM indeed did not mention it in the podcast for LDYB part I. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:05, 5 March 2006 (CST)

== Spoilers - Right or Wrong? ==
So were the spoilers that were posted before the episode aired a red herring? The planet was not offered by the cyclons as part of a peace initive. Since one of the selling points of this planet is that it is supposedly unlikely to be found by the cyclons wouldn't any of them showing up in part 2 basically spoil the whole idea? -- ''attributed to'' [[User:Boonton|Boonton]] ''@ unknown time''

== Racetrack's jump — a Cylon plot? ==
From the topic page: ''"On the very first jump out of the series of ten, Racetrack's Raptor jumps to the wrong set of coordinates"''.

OK, that could be all there is to it... '''OR''' (entering [[Wikipedia:Tin-foil hat|tinfoil-hat]] mode) it could all have been a Cylon plot. Consider: a Cylon navigation computer, interfacing to a Cylon, calculates the jump coordinates for all 20 Raptors. Isn't it at least conceivable the nav computer deliberately gave out misleading coordinates, thus sending one of the Raptors near to the planet now known as New Caprica?

# Suppose the heavy raider computer "knew" of New Caprica? Perhaps it had been there on some previous survey mission or maybe the planet was already known by the Cylons.
# The nav computer might have had a conversation with [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|''Caprica''-Sharon]] when she interfaced to it, possibly even below Sharon's level of consciousness. (Hence Sharon's "foreboding"...a little reminscent of Walter Pidgeon in ''Forbidden Planet'').
# The Cylons appear not to want to extinguish the rest of humanity, at least not now. Penning humans up in a known location would give Cylons time to figure out what they '''do''' want to do with the remnants of humanity. No guarantee humans finding the planet would result in them staying there, but no harm in trying.
# At this stage of the series, Caprica-Sharon isn't too fond of any humans and may have dredged up New Caprica from some long-forgotten database (if the navigation computer didn't already know).
# What kind of error would lead to such a misjump anyway? If this happened even once every ten thousand jumps that would be way too often for the colonial fleet. There must be plenty of safeguards -- at least as much as today's Internet, say -- to ensure the coordinates received match the ones transmitted. Ah, but there's no error involved if the wrong coordinates are deliberately sent in the first place.

I'm not sure I subscribe to this, but am offering it as at least a hypothesis worthy of consideration.

A first reaction to this idea might be to recall the explanation offered by the Cylons when they came for Baltar's surrender: "We Cylons found an atomic explosion signature". That would seem to imply everything happened by chance. Maybe. Maybe not. Space is vast. I mean really big. Coming upon a detectable trace of a puny atomic explosion after a years' worth of dispersion is almost laughably unlikely. Possibly this was just an excuse offered to hide the ''real'' explanation: a homing beacon built by a [[Cylon agent]], or perhaps an exhaustive Cylon search of all known habitable planets. There are lots of reasons for Cylons to lie.

I find this explanation more believable than the ''triple'' coincidence of the wrong jump coordinates, then two races finding the same remote, "hidden" planet (they should have called it [[Wikipedia:Gondolin|Gondolin]]) within a year of one another. One event: coincidence. Two events: suspicious. Three events: enemy action. --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 19:43, 16 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you are grasping at straws with these hypothesese. We need more understanding onscreen about the working of cylon systems before we can say that such internal thinking is happening. In any case, it doesn't seem plausible that such detailed planning is going on in lower subsystems. The error that caused the misjump wasn't a typical FTL error, but an error caused by forcing the raptor to jump a distance by far greater than it was initially designed to jump, let's say for example 10 times. Forcing a system to exceed its original limitations will most certainly cause errors to occur. Remember, their success rate was 18 successful raptors out of 20, only 90%. The only coinsodence that truly is a coincidence is finding the planet in the first place, but if you've watched enough movies and shows, coincidences are part of fictional programming and should be expected. And yes, space is vast, but that nuclear explosion was a big explosion and today we are now detecting Brown Dwarfs (sub-stars) now that don't even have nuclear reactions going with todays telescopes. So far the Cylons to detect a nuclear explosion from 1 light year out seems fairly reasonable. They didn't see the planet, they saw the radiation produced by the explosion traveling at the speed of light to the location their search party was at. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:53, 17 March 2006 (MST)

Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian

2006-03-17T15:17:42Z

Hawke: Added fourth question

===[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]]===
[[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|Back to RFA]].

'''[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:<nowiki>Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian</nowiki>|action=edit}} Vote here] '''
'''(6/4/2) ending <nowiki>04:46</nowiki> 18 March 2006 (UTC)'''

{{User|The Merovingian}} – Self-nom.

:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' I am the Merovingian, and I accept this nomination. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:59, 11 March 2006 (CST)


'''Support'''
#[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 02:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]] 09:41, 15 March 2006 (CST)
# '''Support.''' It looks like he's got the skiffy vote. He's got my vote too, though the price he'll pay is a thorough explanation of it. I weighed both the pros and the cons carefully before voting this way. Lets start with the cons. 1) Merv can be short, sarcastic, and can generally push peoples buttons and rub them the wrong way. His [[Wikipedia:Gunboat diplomacy|diplomacy]] (joke courtesy of Merv, I hadn't caught that until today) has gotten a lot better lately, especially with regards to edit summaries, which were where I think most people were getting annoyed. People DO read the edit summaries, and what you say in those can end up being as important (or even more important) than the actual edit. 2) Merv has a rep for biting newbies. "Noobies are the rungs on the ladder of success; don't hesistate to step on them." [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1601766&Searchpage=1&Main=1600979&Words=rungs+The_Merovingian&topic=&Search=true#Post1601766 Exhibit A] Part of this is just how he operates anyway (he's equally short and sarcastic with everyone). However, he has of late made significant strides [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Laineylain&diff=prev&oldid=35629 Exhibit B] in both welcoming newbies, as well as calmly discussing issues with them [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=prev&oldid=36155 Exhibit C]. There still might be some room for improvement [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Stealthboy&diff=prev&oldid=36306 Exhibit D] (maybe greet them BEFORE assuming bad faith), but nobody's perfect. (And he's been greeting more folks than I have.) Those are the main items I have in the con pile. Now on to the pro's. 1)He's an outspoken advocate of the wiki at scifi.com. Exhibits [[User:Dogger|E]] and [[User:Mazzy|F]] are present higher up on the page. Whenever a topic comes up that has some coverage over here, you can pretty well count on Merv to provide a relevent link. That leads to more eyes on the subject, and hopefully more contributors eventually. 2)Merv is a zealous fact checker. Anybody can baselessly speculate elsewhere, but Merv holds the wiki to a high standard, ensuring accuracy. (I think he gets frustrated when he realizes that such standards cannot be upheld elsewhere.) If he makes a claim, it's going to be grounded in canon, and if you can disprove it in canon he will acknowledge his error. 3)Merv is a tireless contributor. He spends a lot of time figuring this stuff out, and it shows. His zealous dedication may have something to do with the contempt he has for those who show little thought or effort behind their words (but I'm just speculating). I was tempted to copy an excerpt from an argument he had here to Scifi.com. In it, the person Merv was having a discussion with accused him of not being a dedicated enough BSG fan (having not seen TOS), and therefore of basically having too much of a life outside of BSG. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing, as his biggest detractors over at skiffy usually claim quite the opposite. In the end, this RFA isn't a popularity contest. (Though I may be biased, having been selected as an admin with the fewest popular votes ever.) The RFA is about whether or not Merv will use the mop as it is intended to be used. I believe he shall. That being said, I caution Merv to remember that if he thought he was under scrutiny before, it will be doubly so now. Your detractors/enemies are likely to look for any excuse they can find to try to take your mop away. It is my hope that you don't give them one, and instead crack them over the head with your mace of facts, pin them against the wall with your shield of canon, and then... maybe win them over with that razor wit. So that we can have some more productive contributors here at the battlewiki. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:11, 16 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Artlogical|Artlogical]] 12:08, 16 March 2006 (EST)
#[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 08:51, 16 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 17:11, 17th March
'''Oppose'''
#I've found the Merovingian a bit vindictive and superior-sounding. Edit: I'm sorry if this is somewhat biting to read. I know how being criticized, even on the Internet, can lead to hurt feelings.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:16, 16 March 2006 (EST)
#While Merv has made vast improvements in the past months, I still do not believe he is administrator material. An administrator has many tasks, however, one of the most important administrator tasks is conflict resolution, since is it a task that not everyone can do. I believe that Merv has demonstrated that he has a holier-than-thou attitude, especially towards newbies. He is an EXCELLENT contributor, of that I am more than sure. However, he can continue to contribute in the professional methodology and high-volumes he has shown, without being an administrator. Also, it is not as if we have a shortage of administrators here at Battlestar Wiki. The five we have are fast, fair, and knowledgeable. In short, the powers that would be granted to Merv as an adminstrator would not positivley augment his best qualities (his knowledge of all things BSG, his thoroughness, and his rapidity), but rather would amplify his shortcomings. (his occasional rudeness, and shortness with newbies) I have come to respect Merv as a major contributor to the wiki, but with the desire to uphold the quality and continued prosperity of the wiki as my number one goal, I cannot in good concience vote positive on Merv's self RFA. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 15:58, 16 March 2006 (CST)
#Vote fraud. Even if he had a more votes than Oppose votes, it would have been 80%. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 22:54, 16 March 2006 (CST)
#*That is a serious accusation, which I will insist you back up. The fact that Merv's friends from SciFi.com came here to vote for him should certainly not be a mark against him, although the weight we should give to their opinions can be debated. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:31, 16 March 2006 (CST)
#**I have looked around the Scifi.com boards and the weight he has there out-weighs here. Even though I am usually not against the person, but the method on how these votes would be counted. It just so happens two nights before it ends, votes popup and a large part of the support comes from SciFi.com. Sounds like private messageing favors to me. Nothing against Merovingian, there are over 1,000 people on these wiki, and only the ones that have been here less than a month would have gotten him Adminship. Hold it against me if you do, but that is my reason. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 00:02, 17 March 2006 (CST)
#***In my opinion, your vote should be decided based solely on your judgement of Merv's qualifications and character. We can address the Scifi.com issue afterwards. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:01, 17 March 2006 (CST)
# Oppose. I respect Merv as, probably, the most prolific and accurate contributer to this Wiki. The posts above have enumerated much of what he's done for the Wiki. So that's not why I'm voting oppose. I'm also not voting oppose regarding Merv's experiences head-butting with other users. I think he's come a long way with that and been able to think about his communication with others here from new angles. I think he deserves some recognition for that, as well. One of the things I was thinking about when mulling this over and deciding how I'd vote is actually best summed up in Peter's [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What_adminship_is_not#Adminship_is_not_a_trophy|link below]]. Specifically, it is not something to be made the prize in a bet, even if it '''is''' just one vote. Also, there are a few comments regarding admins that Merv has made that make me think he misunderstands, slightly, the role and status that an admin (should) play and hold here. He has implied that admin votes when seeking consensus count a bit more and that admins hold some other kind status-oriented powers like that. Just in case it's not clear from my tone, I think that point of view is not a good one for a user to have, let alone an admin. Lastly, though Merv seems like he's outgrown some of his abbrasiveness, I think he still lacks a certain patience. If he finds some error that is not easily solved (something more than editing, like moving a page, or merging two, etc.), he will tend, in my obsevation, to make the change as soon as he proves to himself that such action is needed. I've picked up cues from those who were admins before me that, even if I (or whoever) cannot conceive of a half-decent reason to not make the change, it's still best to wait a few days in case someone else has one (or a week, maybe... more... this is fuzzy). Often, this just delays the appropriate action, but it allows all parties to voice their opinions before their folly is demonstrated and more meticulous (or whatever) minds prevail. This flaw is actually part and parcel with Merv's tendency to catch a lot of mistakes quickly. The man is like the Flash... He just needs to learn when to slow down to the speed of us mortal who cannot run on water. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:43, 17 March 2006 (CST)
'''Neutral'''
#[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 15 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (CST)

'''Comments'''
*Merv's behavior and contributions have been excellent lately, but given his sometimes mercurial disposition, I would feel more comfortable supporting his RFA if it were taking place in a few weeks' time. I will not oppose it, but I will have to contemplate the matter more before I can decide whether to support or cast my vote as neutral. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 11 March 2006 (CST)
**Nonetheless, I have chosen to make the vote now. Vote what you want.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:14, 11 March 2006 (CST)
*Why is it that I cannot vote on this page? I have been registered for months and my email has been authenticated since November, but whenever I click the Vote Here link I get an apparently illegal url that includes an unresolved subsitution (FULLPAGENAME), and it comes up 'Bad Link'. I tried in Safari, in Camino, in Firefox, and in Internet Explorer for the Mac. No dice. Can't vote.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 23:39, 11 March 2006 (CST)
**Okay, I just voted by using the 'Edit' link and adding my name to the list, instead of by using the nonfunctional 'Vote Here' link. I hope that is acceptable.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 02:39, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:::In order for the "Vote here" button to work, you have to paste in the full wiki page name where the FULLPAGENAME was. I fixed the link (for those that don't want to just "edit". I also updated the vote count to reflect Dogger's vote (which was perfectly acceptable). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)
*Don't know what you guy's are on about, i'm a n00bie(or was) and merv is perfectly nice to me, helping me with wiki standards, rules, methods etc, more than anyone else did. Like you said, he does alot here. It's best to reward people for that. - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 17th March, 2006
**[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What_adminship_is_not#Adminship_is_not_a_trophy|Adminship is not a trophy]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:30, 17 March 2006 (CST)

'''Questions for the candidate''' 

''A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:''
:'''1.''' What duties, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out [[:Category:Project Page]]s for a list of projects.
::A. Episode Summaries, episode analysis, episode questions, episode notes. Character bios. Cylon series. Spearheading the Writer/Director category project. Furthing the [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] project (and fighting the grave threat posed by the [[Season two timeline discontinuity]]). The [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Battles series]]. Going through every source of ''information'' available, be it GalacticaStation, GateWorld, NowPlayingMagazine, Lucy Lawless fansites, Ron Moore's blog, the official messageboards, several shadowy rumor mills which I cannot disclose, and the podcasts, in order to obtain, analyze, developed and post as much ''information'' as possible on this Wiki, and turn it into a truly reliable "go-to" site for up to the minute BSG information.

:'''2.''' Of your articles or contributions here, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
::A. The battles pages, all of which were of my own design (I made the battleboxes for Lord of the Rings battles on standard wikipedia, and when these were done, I wanted to keep doing something like that so I created the battles series here); secondly, due yo my vast knowledge of BSG trivial facts and analysis, I have made great contributions to the episode guides, and as it's not like I have a life outside of this :) I'm usually the first to post notes for an episode up after it airs (though this is not a rule), and I'm really happy with the episode guide stuff I've done (check the history tabs, etc). I guess a random sampling of some of my better works would be [[Downloaded]], [[Cally]], [[Uniform]], [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] etc., my great contributions to [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies]] (ever vigilant), and pretty much the entire episode guide. I spearheaded the most recent movement (after debate for months) to give Cylon copies who have become individuals their own character pages, and to consider them separate characters.

:'''3.''' Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
::A. They are beyond count. Yet of late I have met these challenges with firm determination and responsibility.

:'''4.''' What can't you do as a standard contributor that administrator-ship would enable or allow you to do?

[[User:The Merovingian]] I think I'd be good for administrator because of A) My stagering knowledge of all things BSG (haha), B) my extensive body of work here notably on the episode guides, battle pages, and C) My good looks. I'm formally putting myself up for nomination, etc. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:46, 10 March 2006 (CST)

:My campaign music: [http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/audio/Bear_McCreary_-_Resurrection_Ship.mp3 enjoy] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:31, 11 March 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian

2006-03-17T15:14:34Z

Hawke: Additional Questions for the Nominee

I need Joe to clean this up. It's been a while since we've used this formatting. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:40, 11 March 2006 (CST)

== Scifi'ers ==
These votes from the scifi.com'ers (where their only edit is the vote in an RFA) would likely be loudly decried as sockpuppets at a wikipedia RFA. Fortunately their scifi.com accounts buy them some cred. I hope they stick around after their vote though. (It looks like Dogger may have a project in mind...) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:37, 16 March 2006 (CST)
:Dogger usually has something interesting up his sleave.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:27, 16 March 2006 (EST)
::Wikipedia, [[Wikipedia: WP:RFA#About_RfA|on the subject]]: "Votes of very new editors may be discounted if there is suspicion of fraud such as sockpuppetry."
::In my opinion, there's no serious reason to suspect sock-puppetry if they have credible accounts on Sci-Fi.com. However, since the choice of administrators here only directly impacts regular editors, I would still tend to take their voices with a grain of salt compared to our regulars. Also, note that on Wikipedia, "the threshold for consensus here is roughly 75–80 percent support", which Merv is currently a few votes short of. I reiterate my personal neutrality on this vote, but I hope that Joe will take the opposing votes by our regular contributors very seriously as he considers Merv's promotion. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:22, 16 March 2006 (CST)
:::I saw this issue coming... Here's the thing. I don't know whether or not these people fully understand the responsibilties of an admin or how an admin can affect a Wiki. So far they haven't demonstrated why they voted Support, other than perhaps a loyalty to Merv on the SciFi board. (Which should have absolutely no bearing here, whatsoever.)
:::Admittedly, Merv is an excellent contributor and his work is wonderful; he does have opportunties when dealing with certain situations (which were mentioned in an oppose vote in the RfA, so I will not reiterate them here). Has he gotten better? Abso-frakkin'-lutely.
:::But again, as Peter has rightfully pointed out, adminship is neither a trophy nor a popularity contest. As also pointed out, adminship grants you additional tools (mainly blocking users, protecting/unprotecting pages from editing, and deletion of articles). These tools are nice, yet most of the contributions are mainly done from non-admins. Admins have the keys to the janitor's closet and, being in that position of "power", area also scrutinized without them even knowing it.
:::Now, here's where people are going to really start getting irked. I'm going to have to discount votes from any accounts made within the past three weeks. From a rational standpoint, they are new contributors and are still learning the Wiki basics, so their votes have very little weight.
:::Of course, I am willing to listen to any and all concerns brought to the table. So please reply to them on this talk page (and don't bring this issue on my talk page, for I believe people can benefit from it here). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 08:12, 17 March 2006 (CST)
===Edit Histories===
Just wanted to put together a quick contribution history for some of the less familiar participants in this vote. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:39, 17 March 2006 (CST)

*'''[[User:Dogger|Dogger]]:''' Member since 22 November 2005. [http://mboard.scifi.com/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=2918434 User profile] at Scifi.com.
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| 10
| 47.62%
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| Talk
| 6
| 23.81%
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| User talk
| 3
| 14.29%
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| Battlestar Wiki
| 3
| 14.29%
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*'''[[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]]:''' Member since 16 March 2006. [http://mboard.scifi.com/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=2910928 User profile] at Scifi.com.
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*'''[[User:Artlogical|Artlogical]]:''' Member since 16 March 2006. [http://mboard.scifi.com/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=2891465 User profile] at Scifi.com.
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| 100%
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*'''[[User:Grafix|Grafix]]:''' Member since 26 February 2006.
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| Talk
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| 4.79%
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| User talk
| 12
| 6.38%
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*'''[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]]:''' Member since 3 March 2006. [http://mboard.scifi.com/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=2922679 User profile] at Scifi.com.
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| 80.47%%
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| Talk
| 23
| 10.7%
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| User talk
| 6
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| Battlestar Wiki
| 12
| 5.58%
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| Battlestar Wiki talk
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Again, this is going to irk people, but as mentioned above (and for the reasons I had mentioned above), I am planning on discounting all votes made by users who have had accounts created within the past three weeks. Thus everyone on this list (excluding Dogger) will not have their votes counted. Of course, if people feel that this isn't the best course of action, I am open to criticism. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 08:17, 17 March 2006 (CST)
:What will become of Lordmutt, Kraetos, Shane, and Day's votes then? How long have they been registered?--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 10:06, 17 March 2006 (EST)
::Day is an admin, and is an "old hand". Kraetos (formerly BMS) has also been around awhile. Shane has been registered since a couple month back, but has only been more active recently (with the start of the portals effort). Those are the people I've had dealings with. Lordmutt appears to have been here for a little over a month, so he'd be good too. It's not that we're trying to disenfranchise people. It's just that we want "residents" voting. It'd be like if a bunch of people poured across the state line to vote in a governor's race, then returned home. It's not an issue we've ever encountered before. However, it doesn't mean your voice won't be heard. EVERYBODY is welcome to voice their opinion anyway. This will sway potential voters, may change existing votes (which is allowed), and may influnce the Bureaucrat, who ultimately decides if the consensus is in favor of creating the new adminship. A powerful argument could end up having far more argument than any single "vote" can.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:58, 17 March 2006 (CST)

== Additional Questions for the Nominee ==

If you don't mind, I placed a fourth question on the Project Page to query the nominee. It's a question that should be asked of all committee / team leaders. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 09:14, 17 March 2006 (CST)

User talk:Davidkevin

2006-03-17T15:06:49Z

Hawke:

== Use of the term "Actual" ==

"Actual", as in "''Galactica'' Actual" or "''Pegasus'' Actual" refers to a communication between one party and the '''''actual''''' commanding officer of the other party/entity, in '''''real time'''''. Instead of communication coming from the commanding officer, and being routed through the executive officer, then through a communications operator — the other party is, instead, talking to the '''''actual''''' CO directly. So the term "actual" is a radio or channel protocol, not a callsign. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 09:06, 17 March 2006 (CST)

User:Hawke

2006-03-16T16:50:16Z

Hawke:

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: ''Are you... alive?''

=== Projects ===
Like any good tech specialist, I'm endeavouring to locate all the costuming items and props used by the Colonial Fleet and Marines. I'm of the opinion that, since this is a TV show (as in, ''limited'' budget), and set in a non-historical time period (as in, this is ''fantasy'', people), that there shouldn't be any deductions made, on our part, towards the relativity between items in real life and items depicted in the show. It's a dollied-up ''gun'', we don't have to try and ''explain'' its workings in Battlestar Galactica terms. And yes, some of the costumes and uniforms will look an ''aweful'' lot like real-life uniforms, such as MARPAT, et.al... It doesn't mean that it's standard day-to-day regulation uniforms for the Colonials.

As a costume-parting-shot note... Someone on the staff '''''really''''' likes to put Tricia Helfer (Six) in leather, didn't you notice? :)

Colonial Marine Corps

2006-03-16T16:40:16Z

Hawke: /* Notes */ I was wrong about the goggles... They're Paulsons, not M1944's.

[[Image:Khaki litmus.JPG|thumb|A Marine Non-Comissioned Officer flanked by two Marines in standard uniform ([[Litmus]]).]]
The '''Colonial Marine Corps''' are the ground soldiers of the Twelve Colonies, a different branch of the military than the [[Colonial Fleet]]. [[Original battlestar (RDM)|Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' has about thirty of them left, although there are no snipers among them ([[Bastille Day]]).

A Marine's duties include guarding the [[CIC]] and [[brig]] ([[Mini-Series]]) and assisting the [[Master-at-Arms]] ([[Litmus]]). They have been used several times on [[Raptors]] for boarding parties ([[Bastille Day]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). They are also responsible for repelling enemy boarding actions ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

Sergeant [[Hadrian]] is a Marine, but no officers (if there were any) appear to be stationed on ''Galactica''; when they are shown on missions, Fleet officers command the Marine units.

==Known Marines==
*Lieutenant [[Terry Burrell]]
*Sergeant [[Hadrian]]
*Sergeant [[Fischer]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Private First Class [[Scott Kelso]]
*[[Hollis]]
*[[Wenzler]]
*[[Bonnington]]
*[[Twinam]]
*[[Collishaw]]

==Notes==

Their battle [[Uniform |uniforms]] appear to be based on those of the U.S. Army's [[Wikipedia:Delta Force|Delta Force]] or the counter-terrorist branch of the British Army's [[Wikipedia:Special Air Service|Special Air Service Regiment]]. Besides their black combat uniforms, the weapons and personal combat equipment of the Marines are similar to what police SWAT teams and anti-terrorist special forces units utilize.

To date, the Marines have appeared in either an all-black BDU (aboard ship) or an olive-drab/green BDU (planetside, as in [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

To outfit the Marines, the show's costume department appears to use the following real-world items: 
* Helmet
** [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0006GIYA6/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1/102-8409210-0972100?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance Giro Bad Lieutenant snowboard/ski helmet, black] — far less heavy and less expensive than the US/UN [[Wikipedia:Personnel_Armor_System_for_Ground_Troops_Helmet|PASGT helmet]]
* Goggles
** [http://www.botac.com/paulson1.html Paulson 510T Tactical Goggles] — these, or...
** [http://www.botac.com/paulatfraggo.html Paulson 510TF ATAC "Frag" Goggles] — these... it depends on what the costume department was budgetted for, or got them for. The closures, hinges, and "face gasket" are the giveaways.
* Sub-machine guns
** [[Wikipedia:Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler-Koch MP5]] (multiple variants)
** [[Wikipedia:FN P90|Fabrique Nationale P90]] (with silencer)
** [[Wikipedia:Beretta Cx4 Storm|Beretta CX4 Storm]]
* Shotgun
** [[Wikipedia:DAO-12|Protecta]]
* Rifle
** [[Wikipedia:Heckler & Koch G36|Heckler & Koch G36k]]
* Sidearm
** [[Wikipedia:FN Five-seveN|Fabrique Nationale Five-seveN]] (with added wood grips and explosive round launcher)
* Combat Vest
** [http://www.pointblankarmor.com/spider.asp PBBA SPIDER] — offered by a company called Point-Blank Body Armor, Inc., the vests appear to be one of these models, with a "modular grid attachment system" based around snaps (the telltale characteristic if you see a Colonial Marine's back) and velcro (a costumer's best friend!). This affords the costume department the option to attach whatever they want to the vests, regardless of compatability, since all they need to do is stitch on some velcro. As far as if it is the SPIDER specifically that's being used, or one of the following models, or a model offered from another manufacturer, has yet to be confirmed, but substantial research points towards this being the vest used in the series.
** [http://www.pointblankarmor.com/mrv.asp PBBA MRV+ SWAT] — "heavier" vest variant
** [http://www.pointblankarmor.com/swatcertplus.asp PBBA SWAT Cert+] — higher-collared variant
** [http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/tactical.php Pinnacle Armor Tactical Vest] — It ''more than likely'' is this one in the "modular grid base" unit. It makes the most sense, since it would be most cost effective to get the unlined, unarmored modular vest, with the velcro and snaps, and just attach whatever is wanted to it.

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