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<div>{{Character Data <br />
|photo= Galen Tyrol.jpg<br />
|age=Believed to be 30<ref>Tyrol stated that he has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]), and had "ten years experience" at the time of the Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]) which would make him 28 at the time. The events of the third season take place two years later. With the revelation of his Cylon nature, his evidently planted memories raise uncertainy about his true age.</ref><br />
|colony= [[Earth_(RDM)|Earth]] (supposedly from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]])<br />
|birthname= <br />
|callsign= <br />
|seen= Miniseries<br />
|death=<br />
|parents= Allegedly an unnamed [[oracle]] (mother) and [[priest]] (father).<br />
|siblings=<br />
|children=[[Nicholas Tyrol]] (''de jure'', not biological)<br />
|marital status= Widowed, formerly married to [[Cally Tyrol|Cally (Henderson) Tyrol]] †<br />
|role= Principal liaison between rebel Cylons and Colonials<br>Senior NCO/Crew Chief, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br />
|rank= [[wikipedia: Chief Petty Officer|Chief Petty Officer]]<ref>Formally reinstated at the Rank of chief petty officer by Adama in [[No Exit]]</ref><br>after being demoted to [[wikipedia:Specialist_(rank)|Specialist]] in [[Escape Velocity|Escape Velocity]]<br />
|serial= <br/> 312365<ref name="serial">The original dog tags showed a different name and serial number: "C. Tyrol ser 312365" ([http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16040&view=findpost&p=1890295 "Questions for Aaron Douglas"] messageboard Q&A with actor Aaron Douglas).</ref> <br/>409185<ref name="serial 2">Recent tag photos from the actor show the correct name but with a new serial number ([http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/45310.html The Chief's Deck fan blog]), which is also the number supplied to QMX for the dogtag replicas.</ref><br />
|actor= [[Aaron Douglas]]<br />
|5cylon= y<br />
|name= Galen Tyrol<br />
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== Biography ==<br />
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=== Background ===<br />
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'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", is the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.<br />
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However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.<br />
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Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''. <br />
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=== Cylon Attack ===<br />
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At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.<br />
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=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===<br />
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[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]<br />
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For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement. <br />
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When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]). <br />
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Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself. <br />
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While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.<br />
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=== Kobol ===<br />
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When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]]) <br />
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While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).<br />
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Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack. <br />
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When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown. <br />
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As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).<br />
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=== After Kobol ===<br />
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Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test). <br />
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Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.<br />
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As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.<br />
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Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.<br />
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After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.<br />
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=== Helo's Return ===<br />
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After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.<br />
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Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br />
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Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.<br />
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The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.<br />
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After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".<br />
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=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===<br />
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Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely. <br />
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Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".<br />
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[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'<br />
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]<br />
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===On New Caprica===<br />
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A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).<br />
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By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.<br />
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By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.<br />
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After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br />
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===After The Second Exodus===<br />
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Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).<br />
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===Seeing the Eye===<br />
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[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]<br />
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.<br />
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After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br />
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===The life of a knuckledragger===<br />
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]). <br />
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The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).<br />
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Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).<br />
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===Revelations===<br />
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.<br />
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Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).<br />
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When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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===Earth and after===<br />
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Tyrol is among those that make the initial landing on Earth. His reaction to the burnt-out, radiated wasteland is different from the others; he smiles in a cynical grin, shaking his head. As they all begin to explore, he is attracted to a fragment of wall. As he gets closer, he hears echoes of ghosts saying things like "Fresh fruit, get your fresh fruit!" He sees a human silhouette on the wall, looking as if it were painted there. Surrounding the silhouette is weathered writing, barely readable. Tyrol touches the silhouette--and is thrown into a vision of the world as it once was, and Tyrol as he once was, wearing glasses and a sportcoat as he passes through a bustling marketplace of open carts of fruit and flowers and other goods. He stops to buy an avacado himself then continues walking. A massively bright flash of light appears as Tyrol shields his eyes - and stumbles back away from the wall and falls to the ground ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br />
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Among the Cylons in the fleet, Tyrol has (thus far) been shown as the most torn between his worlds since the arrival of the rebel Cylon basestar. Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Sharon Agathon remained on active duty and retained their rank [though Tigh and Anders may have been temporarilly relieved between their identification in "Revelations" and the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion"]. Tory Foster defected to the Cylons; and the rebel Sixes, Eights, Twos, rebel [[Hybrid]] and (apparently) their [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] having had their [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed, identify entirely as Cylons. Caprica-Six, though remaining aboard ''Galactica'' with the father of her child (and with the only physician with Cylon obstetric experience), identifies herself exclusively as a Cylon and is quite excited about her ability to bear a wholely-Cylon child. The only un-boxed [[Number Three]] maroons herself on Earth with the bones of their ancestors. Conversely, Tyrol appears to have one foot in each society.<br />
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Unlike Tigh, Anders and Agathon, Tyrol's duty status is "inactive"<ref>FTL engine room control computer terminal showed his status at the end of "Blood on the Scales"</ref>, though he apparently still lives aboard ''Galactica'' with his nominal son. It is revealed in "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" that he serves as an intermediary between the rebel Cylons and the Colonial government (or specifically Adama), and vouched for Adama's character and trustworthiness before the rebel Cylons. He conveys their offer to upgrade Colonial FTL drives with Cylon technology in exchange for citizenship and representation. In doing so, Tyrol finds himself confused by what pronouns to use with respect to Colonials and Cylons, demonstrating his struggle with his group identity. Out of habit, he initially refers to the rebel Cylons in the third person before correcting himself to use the first person, and likewise speaks of the colonists in the first person with an immediate amendment to the second person. The only other Cylon who formerly served in the Colonial military and is not currently on active duty is Tryol's former lover, Sharon Valerii.<br />
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The duality of his group identity is instrumental to the survival of President Roslin and former President Baltar, and the failure of the Zarek-Gaeta coup d'état. Tyrol has wireless communication with Cylons, independent of ''Galactica''’s radio systems, and is thus able to arrange a Cylon-piloted rescue Raptor to meet them at a rarely-used airlock and fly them to the safety of the Basestar. ([[The Oath) Like the other Cylons among the colonists, Tyrol remains loyal to the established authority of President Roslin and Admiral Adama; and, like Councilman Adama, puts aside his civilian status to take up arms and counter the mutiny. Tyrol's detailed knowledge of the ship's ductwork and FTL systems enable him to bybass the mutineers and disable the drive, thus preventing Gaeta from jumping the ship away. The loyalty he instils in his former subordinates, collegues and trade unionists allow him to escape capture when discovered mid-travel. While in the FTL engine room, he discovers severe cracks in ''Galactica''’s hull. ([[Blood on the Scales]])<br />
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Despite being well-versed in maintaining Galactica's two FTL drives and being a Final Five Cylon, Tyrol is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "Sixes, Sharons and maybe even some Leobens" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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In connection with young Nicholas Tyrol's kidney infection, Galen learns from [[Doctor Cottle]] that the boy is the biological son of [[Brendan Costanza]]; [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally]] had secretly been sexually involved with both men concurrently prior to her marriage to Galen; she, Cottle, and Cottle's staff kept the child's parantage secret from Galen. After briefly battering Costanza to satisfy his machismo and sense of betrayal, Tyrol takes him to Nicky's hospital bed and instructs him that his first lesson in fatherhood is to stay at the boy's side until Tyrol sleeps off his alcohol binge and sobers up. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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Following the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutiny]], Tyrol brings to the attention of Adama a number of stress fractures in the hull of ''Galactica''. Adama reinstates Tyrol to active duty and the rank of Chief, a position that was opened by the murder of [[Peter Laird]]. Tyrol utilizes Cylon technology to repair the ship.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref><br />
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.<br />
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".<br />
*While it may be a coincidence, Tyrol's forename, Galen, is one of the series' many homages (intentional or otherwise) to the ''[[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes|Planet of the Apes]]'' franchise. Galen was the name of [[Wikipedia:Roddy McDowall|Roddy McDowall]]'s character in [[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes (TV series)|the 1974 television series]] which, like ''Battlestar Galactica'', featured human military astronauts surveying post-apocolyptic Earth. (''See also'' [[Gaius Baltar#Notes|Baltar's forename & roles]], the [[Revelations#Earth|end of "Revelations"]], [[Leoben Conoy]] [[Sometimes a Great Notion#Noteworthy_Dialogue|quoting Dr. Zaius]] in "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]", the two hybrids' characterisation of [[Kara Thrace]] as "[[The Destiny#The_Hybrids.27_Warnings|The harbinger of death]]", ''inter alia'').<br />
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.<br />
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.<br />
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|age=Believed to be 30<ref>Tyrol stated that he has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]), and had "ten years experience" at the time of the Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]) which would make him 28 at the time. The events of the third season take place two years later. With the revelation of his Cylon nature, his evidently planted memories raise uncertainy about his true age.</ref><br />
|colony= [[Earth_(RDM)|Earth]] (supposedly from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]])<br />
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|seen= Miniseries<br />
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|parents= Allegedly an unnamed [[oracle]] (mother) and [[priest]] (father).<br />
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|children=[[Nicholas Tyrol]] (''de jure'', not biological)<br />
|marital status= Widowed, formerly married to [[Cally Tyrol]] †<br />
|role= Principal liaison between rebel Cylons and Colonials<br>Senior NCO/Crew Chief, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br />
|rank= [[wikipedia: Chief Petty Officer|Chief Petty Officer]]<ref>Formally reinstated at the Rank of chief petty officer by Adama in [[No Exit]]</ref><br>temporarilly demoted to [[wikipedia:Specialist_(rank)|Specialist]] in [[Escape Velocity|Escape Velocity]]<br />
|serial= <br/> 312365<ref name="serial">The original dog tags showed a different name and serial number: "C. Tyrol ser 312365" ([http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16040&view=findpost&p=1890295 "Questions for Aaron Douglas"] messageboard Q&A with actor Aaron Douglas).</ref> <br/>409185<ref name="serial 2">Recent tag photos from the actor show the correct name but with a new serial number ([http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/45310.html The Chief's Deck fan blog]), which is also the number supplied to QMX for the dogtag replicas.</ref><br />
|actor= [[Aaron Douglas]]<br />
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== Biography ==<br />
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=== Background ===<br />
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'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", is the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.<br />
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However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.<br />
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Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''. <br />
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=== Cylon Attack ===<br />
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At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.<br />
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=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===<br />
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[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]<br />
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For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement. <br />
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When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]). <br />
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Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself. <br />
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While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.<br />
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=== Kobol ===<br />
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When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]]) <br />
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While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).<br />
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Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack. <br />
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When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown. <br />
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As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).<br />
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=== After Kobol ===<br />
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Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test). <br />
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Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.<br />
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As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.<br />
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Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.<br />
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After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.<br />
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=== Helo's Return ===<br />
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After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.<br />
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Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br />
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Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.<br />
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The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.<br />
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After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".<br />
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=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===<br />
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Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely. <br />
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Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".<br />
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[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'<br />
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]<br />
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===On New Caprica===<br />
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A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).<br />
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By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.<br />
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By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.<br />
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After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br />
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===After The Second Exodus===<br />
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Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).<br />
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===Seeing the Eye===<br />
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[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]<br />
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.<br />
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After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br />
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===The life of a knuckledragger===<br />
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]). <br />
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The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).<br />
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Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).<br />
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===Revelations===<br />
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.<br />
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Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).<br />
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When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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===Earth and after===<br />
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Tyrol is among those that make the initial landing on Earth. His reaction to the burnt-out, radiated wasteland is different from the others; he smiles in a cynical grin, shaking his head. As they all begin to explore, he is attracted to a fragment of wall. As he gets closer, he hears echoes of ghosts saying things like "Fresh fruit, get your fresh fruit!" He sees a human silhouette on the wall, looking as if it were painted there. Surrounding the silhouette is weathered writing, barely readable. Tyrol touches the silhouette--and is thrown into a vision of the world as it once was, and Tyrol as he once was, wearing glasses and a sportcoat as he passes through a bustling marketplace of open carts of fruit and flowers and other goods. He stops to buy an avacado himself then continues walking. A massively bright flash of light appears as Tyrol shields his eyes - and stumbles back away from the wall and falls to the ground ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br />
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Among the Cylons in the fleet, Tyrol has (thus far) been shown as the most torn between his worlds since the arrival of the rebel Cylon basestar. Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Sharon Agathon remained on active duty and retained their rank [though Tigh and Anders may have been temporarilly relieved between their identification in "Revelations" and the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion"]. Tory Foster defected to the Cylons; and the rebel Sixes, Eights, Twos, rebel [[Hybrid]] and (apparently) their [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] having had their [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed, identify entirely as Cylons. Caprica-Six, though remaining aboard ''Galactica'' with the father of her child (and with the only physician with Cylon obstetric experience), identifies herself exclusively as a Cylon and is quite excited about her ability to bear a wholely-Cylon child. The only un-boxed [[Number Three]] maroons herself on Earth with the bones of their ancestors. Conversely, Tyrol appears to have one foot in each society.<br />
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Unlike Tigh, Anders and Agathon, Tyrol's duty status is "inactive"<ref>FTL engine room control computer terminal showed his status at the end of "Blood on the Scales"</ref>, though he apparently still lives aboard ''Galactica'' with his nominal son. It is revealed in "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" that he serves as an intermediary between the rebel Cylons and the Colonial government (or specifically Adama), and vouched for Adama's character and trustworthiness before the rebel Cylons. He conveys their offer to upgrade Colonial FTL drives with Cylon technology in exchange for citizenship and representation. In doing so, Tyrol finds himself confused by what pronouns to use with respect to Colonials and Cylons, demonstrating his struggle with his group identity. Out of habit, he initially refers to the rebel Cylons in the third person before correcting himself to use the first person, and likewise speaks of the colonists in the first person with an immediate amendment to the second person. The only other Cylon who formerly served in the Colonial military and is not currently on active duty is Tryol's former lover, Sharon Valerii.<br />
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The duality of his group identity is instrumental to the survival of President Roslin and former President Baltar, and the failure of the Zarek-Gaeta coup d'état. Tyrol has wireless communication with Cylons, independent of ''Galactica''’s radio systems, and is thus able to arrange a Cylon-piloted rescue Raptor to meet them at a rarely-used airlock and fly them to the safety of the Basestar. ([[The Oath) Like the other Cylons among the colonists, Tyrol remains loyal to the established authority of President Roslin and Admiral Adama; and, like Councilman Adama, puts aside his civilian status to take up arms and counter the mutiny. Tyrol's detailed knowledge of the ship's ductwork and FTL systems enable him to bybass the mutineers and disable the drive, thus preventing Gaeta from jumping the ship away. The loyalty he instils in his former subordinates, collegues and trade unionists allow him to escape capture when discovered mid-travel. While in the FTL engine room, he discovers severe cracks in ''Galactica''’s hull. ([[Blood on the Scales]])<br />
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Despite being well-versed in maintaining Galactica's two FTL drives and being a Final Five Cylon, Tyrol is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "Sixes, Sharons and maybe even some Leobens" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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In connection with young Nicholas Tyrol's kidney infection, Galen learns from [[Doctor Cottle]] that the boy is the biological son of [[Brendan Costanza]]; [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally]] had secretly been sexually involved with both men concurrently prior to her marriage to Galen; she, Cottle, and Cottle's staff kept the child's parantage secret from Galen. After briefly battering Costanza to satisfy his machismo and sense of betrayal, Tyrol takes him to Nicky's hospital bed and instructs him that his first lesson in fatherhood is to stay at the boy's side until Tyrol sleeps off his alcohol binge and sobers up. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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Following the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutiny]], Tyrol brings to the attention of Adama a number of stress fractures in the hull of ''Galactica''. Adama reinstates Tyrol to active duty and the rank of Chief, a position that was opened by the murder of [[Peter Laird]]. Tyrol utilizes Cylon technology to repair the ship.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref><br />
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.<br />
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".<br />
*While it may be a coincidence, Tyrol's forename, Galen, is one of the series' many homages (intentional or otherwise) to the ''[[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes|Planet of the Apes]]'' franchise. Galen was the name of [[Wikipedia:Roddy McDowall|Roddy McDowall]]'s character in [[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes (TV series)|the 1974 television series]] which, like ''Battlestar Galactica'', featured human military astronauts surveying post-apocolyptic Earth. (''See also'' [[Gaius Baltar#Notes|Baltar's forename & roles]], the [[Revelations#Earth|end of "Revelations"]], [[Leoben Conoy]] [[Sometimes a Great Notion#Noteworthy_Dialogue|quoting Dr. Zaius]] in "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]", the two hybrids' characterisation of [[Kara Thrace]] as "[[The Destiny#The_Hybrids.27_Warnings|The harbinger of death]]", ''inter alia'').<br />
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.<br />
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.<br />
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|age=Believed to be 30<ref>Tyrol stated that he has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]), and had "ten years experience" at the time of the Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]) which would make him 28 at the time. The events of the third season take place two years later. With the revelation of his Cylon nature, his evidently planted memories raise uncertainy about his true age.</ref><br />
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|parents= Allegedly an unnamed [[oracle]] (mother) and [[priest]] (father).<br />
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|children=[[Nicholas Tyrol]] (''de jure'', not biological)<br />
|marital status= Widowed, formerly married to [[Cally Tyrol]] †<br />
|role= Principal liaison between rebel Cylons and Colonials<br>Senior NCO/Crew Chief, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br />
|rank= [[wikipedia: Chief Petty Officer|Chief Petty Officer]]<ref>Formally reinstated at the Rank of chief petty officer by Adama in [[No Exit]]</ref><br>temporarilly demoted to [[wikipedia:Specialist_(rank)|Specialist]] in<br />
|serial= <br/> 312365<ref name="serial">The original dog tags showed a different name and serial number: "C. Tyrol ser 312365" ([http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16040&view=findpost&p=1890295 "Questions for Aaron Douglas"] messageboard Q&A with actor Aaron Douglas).</ref> <br/>409185<ref name="serial 2">Recent tag photos from the actor show the correct name but with a new serial number ([http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/45310.html The Chief's Deck fan blog]), which is also the number supplied to QMX for the dogtag replicas.</ref><br />
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== Biography ==<br />
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=== Background ===<br />
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'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", is the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.<br />
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However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.<br />
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Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''. <br />
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=== Cylon Attack ===<br />
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At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.<br />
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=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===<br />
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[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]<br />
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For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement. <br />
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When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]). <br />
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Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself. <br />
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While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.<br />
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=== Kobol ===<br />
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When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]]) <br />
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While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).<br />
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Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack. <br />
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When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown. <br />
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As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).<br />
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=== After Kobol ===<br />
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Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test). <br />
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Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.<br />
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As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.<br />
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Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.<br />
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After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.<br />
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=== Helo's Return ===<br />
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After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.<br />
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Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br />
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Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.<br />
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The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.<br />
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After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".<br />
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=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===<br />
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Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely. <br />
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Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".<br />
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[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'<br />
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]<br />
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===On New Caprica===<br />
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A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).<br />
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By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.<br />
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By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.<br />
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After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br />
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===After The Second Exodus===<br />
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Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).<br />
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===Seeing the Eye===<br />
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[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]<br />
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.<br />
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After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br />
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===The life of a knuckledragger===<br />
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]). <br />
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The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).<br />
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Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).<br />
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===Revelations===<br />
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.<br />
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Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).<br />
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When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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===Earth and after===<br />
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Tyrol is among those that make the initial landing on Earth. His reaction to the burnt-out, radiated wasteland is different from the others; he smiles in a cynical grin, shaking his head. As they all begin to explore, he is attracted to a fragment of wall. As he gets closer, he hears echoes of ghosts saying things like "Fresh fruit, get your fresh fruit!" He sees a human silhouette on the wall, looking as if it were painted there. Surrounding the silhouette is weathered writing, barely readable. Tyrol touches the silhouette--and is thrown into a vision of the world as it once was, and Tyrol as he once was, wearing glasses and a sportcoat as he passes through a bustling marketplace of open carts of fruit and flowers and other goods. He stops to buy an avacado himself then continues walking. A massively bright flash of light appears as Tyrol shields his eyes - and stumbles back away from the wall and falls to the ground ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br />
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Among the Cylons in the fleet, Tyrol has (thus far) been shown as the most torn between his worlds since the arrival of the rebel Cylon basestar. Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Sharon Agathon remained on active duty and retained their rank [though Tigh and Anders may have been temporarilly relieved between their identification in "Revelations" and the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion"]. Tory Foster defected to the Cylons; and the rebel Sixes, Eights, Twos, rebel [[Hybrid]] and (apparently) their [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] having had their [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed, identify entirely as Cylons. Caprica-Six, though remaining aboard ''Galactica'' with the father of her child (and with the only physician with Cylon obstetric experience), identifies herself exclusively as a Cylon and is quite excited about her ability to bear a wholely-Cylon child. The only un-boxed [[Number Three]] maroons herself on Earth with the bones of their ancestors. Conversely, Tyrol appears to have one foot in each society.<br />
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Unlike Tigh, Anders and Agathon, Tyrol's duty status is "inactive"<ref>FTL engine room control computer terminal showed his status at the end of "Blood on the Scales"</ref>, though he apparently still lives aboard ''Galactica'' with his nominal son. It is revealed in "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" that he serves as an intermediary between the rebel Cylons and the Colonial government (or specifically Adama), and vouched for Adama's character and trustworthiness before the rebel Cylons. He conveys their offer to upgrade Colonial FTL drives with Cylon technology in exchange for citizenship and representation. In doing so, Tyrol finds himself confused by what pronouns to use with respect to Colonials and Cylons, demonstrating his struggle with his group identity. Out of habit, he initially refers to the rebel Cylons in the third person before correcting himself to use the first person, and likewise speaks of the colonists in the first person with an immediate amendment to the second person. The only other Cylon who formerly served in the Colonial military and is not currently on active duty is Tryol's former lover, Sharon Valerii.<br />
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The duality of his group identity is instrumental to the survival of President Roslin and former President Baltar, and the failure of the Zarek-Gaeta coup d'état. Tyrol has wireless communication with Cylons, independent of ''Galactica''’s radio systems, and is thus able to arrange a Cylon-piloted rescue Raptor to meet them at a rarely-used airlock and fly them to the safety of the Basestar. ([[The Oath) Like the other Cylons among the colonists, Tyrol remains loyal to the established authority of President Roslin and Admiral Adama; and, like Councilman Adama, puts aside his civilian status to take up arms and counter the mutiny. Tyrol's detailed knowledge of the ship's ductwork and FTL systems enable him to bybass the mutineers and disable the drive, thus preventing Gaeta from jumping the ship away. The loyalty he instils in his former subordinates, collegues and trade unionists allow him to escape capture when discovered mid-travel. While in the FTL engine room, he discovers severe cracks in ''Galactica''’s hull. ([[Blood on the Scales]])<br />
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Despite being well-versed in maintaining Galactica's two FTL drives and being a Final Five Cylon, Tyrol is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "Sixes, Sharons and maybe even some Leobens" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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In connection with young Nicholas Tyrol's kidney infection, Galen learns from [[Doctor Cottle]] that the boy is the biological son of [[Brendan Costanza]]; [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally]] had secretly been sexually involved with both men concurrently prior to her marriage to Galen; she, Cottle, and Cottle's staff kept the child's parantage secret from Galen. After briefly battering Costanza to satisfy his machismo and sense of betrayal, Tyrol takes him to Nicky's hospital bed and instructs him that his first lesson in fatherhood is to stay at the boy's side until Tyrol sleeps off his alcohol binge and sobers up. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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Following the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutiny]], Tyrol brings to the attention of Adama a number of stress fractures in the hull of ''Galactica''. Adama reinstates Tyrol to active duty and the rank of Chief, a position that was opened by the murder of [[Peter Laird]]. Tyrol utilizes Cylon technology to repair the ship.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref><br />
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.<br />
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".<br />
*While it may be a coincidence, Tyrol's forename, Galen, is one of the series' many homages (intentional or otherwise) to the ''[[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes|Planet of the Apes]]'' franchise. Galen was the name of [[Wikipedia:Roddy McDowall|Roddy McDowall]]'s character in [[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes (TV series)|the 1974 television series]] which, like ''Battlestar Galactica'', featured human military astronauts surveying post-apocolyptic Earth. (''See also'' [[Gaius Baltar#Notes|Baltar's forename & roles]], the [[Revelations#Earth|end of "Revelations"]], [[Leoben Conoy]] [[Sometimes a Great Notion#Noteworthy_Dialogue|quoting Dr. Zaius]] in "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]", the two hybrids' characterisation of [[Kara Thrace]] as "[[The Destiny#The_Hybrids.27_Warnings|The harbinger of death]]", ''inter alia'').<br />
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.<br />
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.<br />
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|age=Believed to be 30<ref>Tyrol stated that he has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]), and had "ten years experience" at the time of the Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]) which would make him 28 at the time. The events of the third season take place two years later. With the revelation of his Cylon nature, his evidently planted memories raise uncertainy about his true age.</ref><br />
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|parents= Allegedly an unnamed [[oracle]] (mother) and [[priest]] (father).<br />
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|children=[[Nicholas Tyrol]] (''de jure'', not biological)<br />
|marital status= Widowed, formerly married to [[Cally Tyrol]] †<br />
|role= Principal liaison between rebel Cylons and Colonials<br>Senior NCO of the hangar deck crew, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br />
|rank= [[wikipedia: Chief Petty Officer|Chief Petty Officer]]<ref>Formally reinstated at the Rank of chief petty officer by Adama in [[No Exit]]</ref><br>temporarilly demoted to [[wikipedia:Specialist_(rank)|Specialist]] in<br />
|serial= <br/> 312365<ref name="serial">The original dog tags showed a different name and serial number: "C. Tyrol ser 312365" ([http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16040&view=findpost&p=1890295 "Questions for Aaron Douglas"] messageboard Q&A with actor Aaron Douglas).</ref> <br/>409185<ref name="serial 2">Recent tag photos from the actor show the correct name but with a new serial number ([http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/45310.html The Chief's Deck fan blog]), which is also the number supplied to QMX for the dogtag replicas.</ref><br />
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== Biography ==<br />
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=== Background ===<br />
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'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", is the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.<br />
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However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.<br />
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Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''. <br />
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=== Cylon Attack ===<br />
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At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.<br />
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=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===<br />
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[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]<br />
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For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement. <br />
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When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]). <br />
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Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself. <br />
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While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.<br />
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=== Kobol ===<br />
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When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]]) <br />
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While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).<br />
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Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack. <br />
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When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown. <br />
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As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).<br />
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=== After Kobol ===<br />
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Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test). <br />
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Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.<br />
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As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.<br />
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Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.<br />
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After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.<br />
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=== Helo's Return ===<br />
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After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.<br />
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Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br />
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Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.<br />
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The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.<br />
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After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".<br />
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=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===<br />
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Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely. <br />
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Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".<br />
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[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'<br />
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]<br />
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===On New Caprica===<br />
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A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).<br />
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By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.<br />
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By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.<br />
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After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br />
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===After The Second Exodus===<br />
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Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).<br />
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===Seeing the Eye===<br />
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[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]<br />
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.<br />
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After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br />
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===The life of a knuckledragger===<br />
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]). <br />
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The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).<br />
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Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).<br />
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===Revelations===<br />
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.<br />
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Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).<br />
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When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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===Earth and after===<br />
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Tyrol is among those that make the initial landing on Earth. His reaction to the burnt-out, radiated wasteland is different from the others; he smiles in a cynical grin, shaking his head. As they all begin to explore, he is attracted to a fragment of wall. As he gets closer, he hears echoes of ghosts saying things like "Fresh fruit, get your fresh fruit!" He sees a human silhouette on the wall, looking as if it were painted there. Surrounding the silhouette is weathered writing, barely readable. Tyrol touches the silhouette--and is thrown into a vision of the world as it once was, and Tyrol as he once was, wearing glasses and a sportcoat as he passes through a bustling marketplace of open carts of fruit and flowers and other goods. He stops to buy an avacado himself then continues walking. A massively bright flash of light appears as Tyrol shields his eyes - and stumbles back away from the wall and falls to the ground ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br />
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Among the Cylons in the fleet, Tyrol has (thus far) been shown as the most torn between his worlds since the arrival of the rebel Cylon basestar. Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Sharon Agathon remained on active duty and retained their rank [though Tigh and Anders may have been temporarilly relieved between their identification in "Revelations" and the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion"]. Tory Foster defected to the Cylons; and the rebel Sixes, Eights, Twos, rebel [[Hybrid]] and (apparently) their [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] having had their [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed, identify entirely as Cylons. Caprica-Six, though remaining aboard ''Galactica'' with the father of her child (and with the only physician with Cylon obstetric experience), identifies herself exclusively as a Cylon and is quite excited about her ability to bear a wholely-Cylon child. The only un-boxed [[Number Three]] maroons herself on Earth with the bones of their ancestors. Conversely, Tyrol appears to have one foot in each society.<br />
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Unlike Tigh, Anders and Agathon, Tyrol's duty status is "inactive"<ref>FTL engine room control computer terminal showed his status at the end of "Blood on the Scales"</ref>, though he apparently still lives aboard ''Galactica'' with his nominal son. It is revealed in "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" that he serves as an intermediary between the rebel Cylons and the Colonial government (or specifically Adama), and vouched for Adama's character and trustworthiness before the rebel Cylons. He conveys their offer to upgrade Colonial FTL drives with Cylon technology in exchange for citizenship and representation. In doing so, Tyrol finds himself confused by what pronouns to use with respect to Colonials and Cylons, demonstrating his struggle with his group identity. Out of habit, he initially refers to the rebel Cylons in the third person before correcting himself to use the first person, and likewise speaks of the colonists in the first person with an immediate amendment to the second person. The only other Cylon who formerly served in the Colonial military and is not currently on active duty is Tryol's former lover, Sharon Valerii.<br />
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The duality of his group identity is instrumental to the survival of President Roslin and former President Baltar, and the failure of the Zarek-Gaeta coup d'état. Tyrol has wireless communication with Cylons, independent of ''Galactica''’s radio systems, and is thus able to arrange a Cylon-piloted rescue Raptor to meet them at a rarely-used airlock and fly them to the safety of the Basestar. ([[The Oath) Like the other Cylons among the colonists, Tyrol remains loyal to the established authority of President Roslin and Admiral Adama; and, like Councilman Adama, puts aside his civilian status to take up arms and counter the mutiny. Tyrol's detailed knowledge of the ship's ductwork and FTL systems enable him to bybass the mutineers and disable the drive, thus preventing Gaeta from jumping the ship away. The loyalty he instils in his former subordinates, collegues and trade unionists allow him to escape capture when discovered mid-travel. While in the FTL engine room, he discovers severe cracks in ''Galactica''’s hull. ([[Blood on the Scales]])<br />
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Despite being well-versed in maintaining Galactica's two FTL drives and being a Final Five Cylon, Tyrol is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "Sixes, Sharons and maybe even some Leobens" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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In connection with young Nicholas Tyrol's kidney infection, Galen learns from [[Doctor Cottle]] that the boy is the biological son of [[Brendan Costanza]]; [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally]] had secretly been sexually involved with both men concurrently prior to her marriage to Galen; she, Cottle, and Cottle's staff kept the child's parantage secret from Galen. After briefly battering Costanza to satisfy his machismo and sense of betrayal, Tyrol takes him to Nicky's hospital bed and instructs him that his first lesson in fatherhood is to stay at the boy's side until Tyrol sleeps off his alcohol binge and sobers up. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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Following the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutiny]], Tyrol brings to the attention of Adama a number of stress fractures in the hull of ''Galactica''. Adama reinstates Tyrol to active duty and the rank of Chief, a position that was opened by the murder of [[Peter Laird]]. Tyrol utilizes Cylon technology to repair the ship.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref><br />
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.<br />
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".<br />
*While it may be a coincidence, Tyrol's forename, Galen, is one of the series' many homages (intentional or otherwise) to the ''[[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes|Planet of the Apes]]'' franchise. Galen was the name of [[Wikipedia:Roddy McDowall|Roddy McDowall]]'s character in [[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes (TV series)|the 1974 television series]] which, like ''Battlestar Galactica'', featured human military astronauts surveying post-apocolyptic Earth. (''See also'' [[Gaius Baltar#Notes|Baltar's forename & roles]], the [[Revelations#Earth|end of "Revelations"]], [[Leoben Conoy]] [[Sometimes a Great Notion#Noteworthy_Dialogue|quoting Dr. Zaius]] in "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]", the two hybrids' characterisation of [[Kara Thrace]] as "[[The Destiny#The_Hybrids.27_Warnings|The harbinger of death]]", ''inter alia'').<br />
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.<br />
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.<br />
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|age= ca. 30 <ref>This date is assumed as follows: [[Zak Adama]] died 2 years before the Cylon attack. Since he graduated from some kind of military academy, he would be at least 22 years old, following real world models. On a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] of William Adama with his sons, Lee seems to be about two years older than Zak, placing his birth at about 26 years prior to the Cylon attack</ref><br />
|colony= [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]<br />
|birthname= Leland Joseph Adama<br />
|callsign= Apollo<br />
|seen= Miniseries<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= [[Carolanne Adama]] (mother, presumed deceased), [[William Adama]] (father)<br />
|siblings= [[Zak Adama]] †<br />
|children=1 unborn child with [[Gianne]] (presumed deceased)<br />
|marital status= Widowed from estranged wife [[Anastasia Dualla]]†<br />
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|role=Vice President of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol, Former Interim president of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol, Caprican Delegate to the Quorum of Twelve, Last Commander of Battlestar Pegasus<br />
|rank=Major (ret.)<br />
|serial=318742 <ref name="serial">Confirmed number from QMX dogtags given to them by the studio.</ref><br />
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'''Leland Joseph Adama''', commonly known as '''Lee Adama''' or by his callsign, '''"Apollo"''', is a former [[Colonial Fleet Reserve]] officer who, after ascending to the position of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]n delegate to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]], becomes the interim president of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. <br />
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After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], he assumes the position of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> [[CAG]], later accepting promotion as ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> last commanding officer. After [[Battle of New Caprica|''Pegasus'' destruction]], he returns to CAG until he leaves the military to aid in [[Romo Lampkin]]'s defense of [[Gaius Baltar]]. <br />
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During the post-Fall events, he has romantic relationships with [[Kara Thrace]], [[Shevon]], and [[Anastasia Dualla]], the later he marries months after the discovery of [[New Caprica]]. His defense of Baltar, coupled with previous marital issues surrounding Thrace, aid in his eventual, final split from Dualla. <br />
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Further, as the last surviving child of [[William Adama]], Lee Adama's relationship with his father is continually strained, culminating to a fracture that occurs after the death of his younger brother, [[Zak Adama|Zak]] two years before the Fall. Various attempts at reconciliation occur during the years following the Fall, but even these attempts result in strains that arise as a result of Adama attempting to extricate himself from his father's shadow. <br />
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== Biographical Notes ==<br />
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=== Background ===<br />
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Leland Joseph<ref>Adama's middle name is likely a nod to his grandfather, [[Joseph Adama]].</ref> Adama is the elder son of [[Carolanne Adama|Caroline]] and [[William Adama]]. Together with his younger brother, [[Zak Adama|Zak]], he was raised largely by his mother on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], following his parents' divorce when he was eight. <br />
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During his childhood, Adama often visited his grandfather, [[Joseph Adama]] and read the law books in his study; he often followed his grandfather's cases, never understanding why Joseph Adama defended the worst of humanity ([[The Son Also Rises]]).<br />
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Despite his father's estrangement from the family, Adama nevertheless inherited his passion for flying—a passion that saw him enrolling in the Colonial military reserves after graduating from college. Following his basic training, he graduated from the military academy third in his class and immediately applied for flight school.<br />
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Not to be outdone by his elder brother, Zak Adama applied for military service too, a move that eventually brought tragedy to the Adama household.<br />
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Accepted into flight school, Adama proved himself a gifted and natural pilot, hampered only by his tendency to over-intellectualize things - a result of his upbringing with his mother, who encouraged him to read widely, and think freely (encouragement that led him to read banned texts by the renegade [[Tom Zarek]] while at college ([[Bastille Day]]). <br />
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Graduating from flight school, Adama was commissioned as a lieutenant in the Colonial Fleet Reserve, flying the [[Viper Mark VII]]. During this time, he was also introduced to [[Kara Thrace]], a training instructor at flight school, who was involved with his brother. While Adama was still at flight school, the three frequently spent time together, and Adama and Thrace developed a friendship through Zak Adama ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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=== Brother's Death ===<br />
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Tragedy struck some two years prior to the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies when Zak Adama, recently graduated from flight school, is killed on a routine Viper mission. At the time, the cause of the accident was put down to pilot error. However, Lee Adama chose to blame the mishap on his father, whom he believed had pushed Zak into applying for military service and for applying for flight school ([[Miniseries]]). <br />
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Following Zak's death, Lee Adama became estranged from his father, seeking to build his career well away from any influence exerted by either William Adama or the legendary [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'', his father's command. While he was successful in this - gaining promotion to Captain through his own abilities, the decision nevertheless placed a heavy strain on his friendship with Kara Thrace, as she applied for pilot duty aboard ''Galactica''. <br />
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Adama spent much time on Caprica and becomes engaged to a woman named [[Gianne]]. She told him she is pregnant with their child, causing him to run from her due to his own family issues. Before he can speak with her again he is assigned to take part in the decommissioning ceremony aboard ''Galactica'' ([[Black Market]], "[[Razor Flashbacks]]"), just after he is accepted to test pilot school. Despite having a natural knack for piloting and "well on his way to commanding a battlestar someday", Adama tells [[Frank Bruno]] at the [[Caprica Transfer Station]] that he is considering leaving the Colonial Fleet, as he is disinterested in achieving dreams that were his father's alone ("[[Razor]]", [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Razor|deleted scene]]).<br />
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Adama is reunited with both his father and Kara Thrace when ''Galactica'' is to be decommissioned as a [[Galactica Museum|living museum and educational center]] of the [[Cylon War]]. As a part of the final ceremonies marking ''Galactica's'' retirement, Lee Adama participates in a final Viper flyby to salute both the ship and her commanding officer &mdash; an assignment he undertakes grudgingly, doing little to hide his true feelings from the moment he arrives on the battlestar. Matters are not helped when he discovers he will fly not in his own modern Viper, but in a newly-restored [[Viper Mark II]] his father had flown during the Cylon War ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Things worsen after the PR official aboard ''Galactica'', [[Aaron Doral]], sees Captain Adama's presence on ''Galactica'' as a major PR opportunity and has Adama and his father pose for pictures together. Immediately following this, Adama confronts his father over his brother's death, venting two years' worth of anger and belief that his father was responsible for the loss of his brother.<br />
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=== Surprise [[Cylon Attack]] ===<br />
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Following the decommissioning ceremony, Lee Adama departs ''Galactica'', acting as an unofficial escort for ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'', the official transport for Secretary of Education [[Laura Roslin]], who represented President [[Richard Adar|Adar]] at the ceremony. Midway through their return to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], Adama and the crew of ''Colonial Heavy 798'' hear of the Cylon attacks on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], and soon find themselves under direct attack, which he is able to thwart. Adama quickly becomes one of Laura Roslin's unofficial advisers, aiding her in her self-appointed rescue mission. Adama's annoyance of his father's old Viper comes back to haunt him when [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], returning from her unexpected rescue mission on Caprica and disastrous attack on two [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]], notes to him that other Vipers and other modern Colonial spacecraft like his Mark VII were [[Command Navigation Program|easily destroyed]] by Cylon attacks.<br />
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Adama again saves ''Colonial Heavy 798'' from a nuclear missile attack with a failed experiment he toyed with in [[War College]], using [[EMP]] coils kept in the cargo hold to make it look like the ship has been destroyed. He supports Roslin in her rescue efforts, persuading her to lead the [[FTL]]-capable ships to follow ''Galactica'' to [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. <br />
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As the ranking pilot aboard ''Galactica'', and despite his relative inexperience, Adama finds himself appointed [[CAG]] by Colonel [[Saul Tigh]].<br />
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Apollo leads a Viper squadron in the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]], keeping the Cylon Raiders at bay while the civilian [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] jumps to safety. His ship is badly damaged during in the battle, and is about to be destroyed by a Cylon missile when the missile is intercepted and shot by Starbuck's highly-accurate marksmanship. His Viper eventually loses power as the battle draws to a close and ''Galactica'' is preparing to retreat. Starbuck saves him with a crazy idea and her flying skills, bringing them back to ''Galactica'' shortly before the battlestar jumps away.<br />
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=== Special Advisor === <br />
[[image:Water_Apollo_Roslin.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Adama and President Roslin shake hands after appointment as military advisor ([[Water]]).]]<br />
Adama's work as Roslin's "special advisor" to further help her understand military matters does not sit well with his father, who is still harboring some reservations about Roslin ([[Bastille Day]]). <br />
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In the weeks following the Cylon attack, Adama finds time to re-evaluate his relationship with his father - due in no small part to Starbuck's admission of her involvement in Zak's acceptance as a fighter pilot and his subsequent death. Father and son grow somewhat closer - even standing shoulder-to-shoulder when Starbuck is missing in action and both going to great lengths to save her ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). Even so, Adama's former self-doubts and moodiness are not easily overcome and sometimes come back to haunt him when he is tasked to fill a role that others are unsure he can manage. As a Viper pilot, Adama is able to escape from Starbuck's shadow, proving himself capable in unconventional and skilled flying in the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).<br />
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After the tylium asteroid mission, Adama matures enormously, emerging from his shell as a somewhat disillusioned officer and becomes a practical leader who now comfortably straddles his responsibilities as [[CAG]] of ''Galactica'' with his duties as advisor to Roslin. With few issues with either Roslin or his father, Adama demonstrates his maturity particularly well in his handling of security arrangements for the initial meeting of Roslin's [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] aboard the luxury liner ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' ([[Colonial Day]]).<br />
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=== The Inner Conflicts at Kobol ===<br />
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Eventually, Adama's beliefs in the need for democratic representation and civil government brings him in direct conflict with orders given him by his father. During the arrest of Laura Roslin following her [[Arrow of Apollo|interference with military operations]], Captain Adama draws his gun on [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] in a direct act of mutiny, protesting his father's removal of Roslin from office. Arrested together with Roslin, Adama watches helplessly in [[CIC]] as [[Sharon Valerii|Lieutenant Valerii]] shoots his father at point blank range, seriously wounding him ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).<br />
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Adama is temporarily furloughed by Colonel Tigh so that he can continue to carry out his duties. For a time, Commander Adama's initiative lives on through his son. Young Adama leads a fight with Cylons to buy time for ''Galactica'' to find its proper bearings to the civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), and leads a team of [[Marines]] to stop [[Cylon Centurion]]s that boarded the ship ([[Valley of Darkness]]). After that, Adama continues his initiative and leads a [[SAR]] mission with two [[Raptors]] to retrieve a stranded survey team on the surface of Kobol ([[Fragged]]).<br />
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Adama's desire to let democracy work without overt military action comes to a head once more as he plots, with a handful of others, to free Roslin and smuggle her away from ''Galactica'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). Before he leaves, he apologizes to his unconscious Commander Adama at his bedside for what he is about to do: Leave with Roslin and a [[Laura Roslin faction|faction]] of ships to search for data on Earth on Kobol. Commander Adama begins to awaken just as young Adama leaves his side.<br />
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On the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', Adama is so happy to see Kara Thrace has returned safely from Caprica with the [[Arrow of Apollo]] that he hugs and also impulsively kisses her, pleasantly surprising Thrace. Moments later, as the Caprica copy of Sharon Valerii enters, Adama instantly grabs the known [[humanoid Cylon]] in anger and would have killed her if Helo and Roslin did not intervene.<br />
[[image:Home_pt1-Apollo_Starbuck.jpg|thumb|Adama and Kara Thrace speak aboard the ''Astral Queen'' ([[Home, Part I]]).]]<br />
Later, with their military protocols and attitudes temporarily relaxed, Adama playfully teases the brooding Kara Thrace by stealing a [[pyramid (RDM)|pyramid]] ball she took as a keepsake from her time with [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] on Caprica. He returns the ball after sensing her depressed mood and tells her that he would be happy to listen to what was on her mind. In the same conversation, he lets it slip out that he loves Thrace. Amused, Thrace cheers up a bit and teases Adama, telling him that there are no take-backs on what he said ([[Home, Part I]]).<br />
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Adama and Thrace join President Roslin and her other supporters on their quest to find the [[Tomb of Athena]] on Kobol. When Cylon Centurions ambush the group along an ancient trail, Adama and Thrace work well together in the fight, complementing each other for their fine shooting. <br />
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Adama's reunion with his recovered father on Kobol further mends the wounds between them, both politically and personally. Like Captain Adama had done on the ''Queen'', his father reacts violently to the existence of a another copy of Valerii, leaving Captain Adama in the awkward position of defending her from his father. In the virtual planetarium created by the Tomb of Athena, Adama is the party member that completes the mystery of interpreting how to use the constellations as viewed from Earth to make a flight path. He spots the [[w:Lagoon Nebula|Lagoon Nebula]] in the sky where the Scorpius constellation resided, a celestial body known to the Colonials which gives them a reference point to navigate to Earth. His father confirms Adama's observation, noting that the nebula is far away from their current location at Kobol.<br />
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After the Fleet's reunification, Lee Adama is fully restored to flight status and his position as the CAG ([[Final Cut]]). Apollo doubts that [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] could successfully complete a prototype fighter later known as the [[Blackbird]], but in the end aids in its first test flight with Starbuck. Around this time, Adama begins to develop an attraction to [[Anastasia Dualla]] ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).<br />
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===Reassignment===<br />
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Apollo is on [[Combat Air Patrol|CAP]] when the [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' reunites with ''Galactica'' and is one of the first to see it up close. Soon afterwards, friction develops between Adama and the CAG of ''Pegasus'', Captain [[Cole Taylor]]. Taylor feels that Adama's pilots are undisciplined and implies that Adama has his position through his father's influence. Taylor recommends that Adama have his pilots focus on keeping a "killcount" of Raiders to encourage competition between his pilots, while Adama stresses that his first priority is to make sure that all of his pilots merely survive another day.<br />
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To Adama's shock, Admiral [[Helena Cain]] re-assigns him and Lt. Thrace to ''Pegasus'', under Taylor's command. Cain believes that having Commander Adama's son in the role of CAG was a mistake that has clouded Commander Adama's judgment, as young Adama has been insubordinate and even [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|mutinous]] in the past. For an upcoming scouting mission against the Cylon fleet following them, Taylor orders Adama to perform the humiliating task of co-piloting a Raptor. Annoyed, Adama orders Starbuck to take the [[Blackbird]] and perform the mission alone. When Commander Adama and Admiral Cain turn on each other, Apollo is away in Taylor's Raptor on his recon mission ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br />
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As the two battlestar commanders begin sparring with Vipers, ''Pegasus'' orders Taylor to relieve Adama of duty. Taylor pulls his sidearm and takes away Adama's. Now weaponless and with nothing more to do than to ride along, Adama asks permission to head to the rear of the Raptor. While Taylor is busy, Adama secretly communicates with Starbuck over [[wireless]] text messages. This gives away her position to the Fleet, who think her to be a Cylon Raider. When the Vipers are ordered to disengage and pursue her instead, Starbuck manages to identify herself before things get out of hand.<br />
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Cain feels that persecuting young Adama for authorizing Thrace's mission would be odd since she is promoting Thrace for her work on her recon mission. Thrace successfully returns Adama to flight status, but demoted to lieutenant ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br />
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=== Battle of the Resurrection Ship ===<br />
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While Thrace plans an assault on the Resurrection Ship and the two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s defending it, she tells Adama that his father has ordered her to kill Cain after the battle, and asks Adama to watch her back. Outraged, Adama confronts his father with this, shocked to learn it was President Roslin's idea. Thrace assigns Adama the specific task of disabling the Resurrection Ship's [[FTL]] drive by sneaking up on it in the [[Blackbird]] and destroying it with a precision missile strike. Apollo succeeds, but the Blackbird collides with a [[Raptor]]. Apollo is able to eject, but the Blackbird is destroyed. Alive, but not unscathed, Apollo floats in space watching the battle take place around him. A tear in his [[flight suit]] leaves him almost of air. While having the means to stop the leak, he is overcome with a sense of sadness and nihilism, having learned that the two persons closest to him, Roslin and his father, resort to assassination to solve their conflict with Cain. Although hearing Dualla over the [[wireless]], he decides to let go and die, but is found by a [[SAR|SAR Raptor]] and resuscitated. Adama becomes despondent and distant from his friends and family after his near-death experience. In the pilot's locker room, Thrace tells Adama "Let's just be glad that we both came back alive, alright?" to which Adama responds "That's just it, Kara, I didn't want to make it back alive" ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br />
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=== The Black Market ===<br />
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After President Roslin is saved from her illness, she begins trying to put down the Fleet's [[Black market (organization)|black market]]. New ''Pegasus'' commander [[Jack Fisk]] is soon murdered, leaving the elder Adama (now an Admiral) to assign his son to investigate. With his association with prostitute [[Shevon]] and her daughter [[Paya]] on ''[[Cloud 9]]'', [[Anastasia Dualla]] asks where the relationship between the two of them is heading. After he hesitates, Dualla takes it to mean it is over. Rushing to help Shevon after her call for help, the captain is ambushed by Phelan's men. Waking up from the attack, he finds the Fisk's murder weapon, and the body of Fisk's murderer. <br />
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With some help from [[Tom Zarek]], unwilling to accept the neatly-wrapped up case of Fisk's murderer or the missing Shevon, Adama finds the black market's main ship, the ''[[Prometheus]]''. He finds Paya and other children locked in a storage room. He confronts Phelan, who tells him a black market is necessary, since some supplies may never reach needy people any other way. After Phelan admits running a child prostitution ring, Adama shoots Phelan, and tells his bodyguards that the market can continue operations, unless it keeps holding back essential medicines, begins killing, or returns to child prostitution.<br />
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Shevon refuses to see Adama anymore, realizing that Adama has tried to use her and Paya as replacements in his mind for his lost fiancé [[Gianne]] and their unborn child, saying that she can never be her ([[Black Market]]).<br />
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===Friendly Fire===<br />
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While on leave to ''Cloud 9'' with Dualla, a group of terrorists seize a bar and demand the second copy of [[Sharon Valerii]] for execution, while they hold hostage approximately a dozen people, including Dualla, [[Billy Keikeya]], [[Ellen Tigh]] and Adama. The captain secretly sabotages the bar's carbon dioxide sensors to appear as if it were leaking atmosphere. The sabotage enables Captain Thrace to enter the bar and gather intelligence on the situation, but her cover is blown by Ellen Tigh, and she is forced to draw her weapons. One shot accidentally hits Adama in the chest. After escaping, Thrace breaks down crying for having shot her friend; Dualla is able to care for Adama long enough for him to survive to ''Galactica's'' sickbay, and later sits at his bedside while he recovers. Thrace watches, but is unsure what to do and leaves ([[Sacrifice]]).<br />
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===A Worthy Command ===<br />
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Adama finds himself promoted to Major and assigned to [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus]]''. He is assigned to the ship by Admiral Adama to assess ''Pegasus's'' crew and the the new commander [[Barry Garner]], the ship's former Chief Engineer. <br />
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His relationship with Dualla has become very intimate following his promotion and recovery. Kara Thrace, still ''Pegasus'' CAG, soon comes to blows with Garner is confined to her quarters. When visiting her, Adama chides her for her behavior, stating that he is sick of cleaning up after her all the time. He confronts her about the friendly fire incident, resulting in a moment of uncomfortable silence, before the talk returns to business.<br />
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Against orders from Admiral Adama, Garner takes ''Pegasus'' in to search for two Raptors missing during a recon mission into a binary star system. His impulsive and unwise efforts result in the battlestar's [[Battle of the Binary Star System|ambush by three Cylon basestars]]. With the FTL drive damaged after successive nuclear missile strikes, Garner relegates command to Major Adama and heads below to help in FTL repairs. After a moment's hesitation (perhaps thinking what his father would do), Adama orders the forward guns to fire on the nearest basestar, critically damaging the basestar and forcing its retreat, while commanding the battlestar's fighters (led by Starbuck) to guard embattled areas damaged from nuclear pummeling. Adama's attack buys time for Commander Garner to repair the FTL drive, enabling ''Pegasus'' to escape back to the Fleet and relative safety.<br />
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Admiral Adama debriefs his son, who gave Garner a lot of credit for saving the ship, despite their disagreements. When asked about Garner's flaws, Lee says that he only knew machines, while command is about people. His father tells him to keep that in mind and gives him command of ''Pegasus'', together with a promotion to commander; possibly giving him his old rank insignia ([[The Captain's Hand]]).<br />
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Sometime later, Adama wishes Thrace good luck in rescuing [[Samuel Anders]] and the rest of the [[Caprica Resistance|resistance group on Caprica]], despite his clear personal feelings towards her. After Thrace and Anders' return, Adama attempts to introduce himself politely, but is hampered by the couple's amorous and highly drunken behavior. When Thrace gives a rude comment, Adama bows out the area, beginning a quiet but palpable rift in their friendship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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[[Image:Apollo LDYBPII.JPG|thumb|left|Lee Adama in command of ''Pegasus'' ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).]]<br />
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=== On New Caprica ===<br />
Four months later, Commander Adama and his [[Executive Officer|XO]], Lieutenant Dualla, are granted shore leave to attend a groundbreaking ceremony on the surface of New Caprica. After the ensuing party, with Dualla and Anders gone, Adama sleeps with Kara Thrace and suggests they break up with their respective partners. Thrace however, refuses to break up, despite the two declaring their love for each other. He wakes up alone the next morning only to find out that Thrace has just married Anders. The rift between Adama and Thrace has widened ever larger. Hurt, he proposes to Dualla, who accepts ([[Unfinished Business]]).<br />
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Another eight months later, a year after the settlement, a half-manned ''Pegasus'' is still orbiting New Caprica. Commander Adama has gained a considerable amount of weight in the intervening year. He is in the process of deciding whether or not to supply Kara Thrace with [[antibiotics]] for pneumonia-afflicted Anders when Dualla spots a massive Cylon fleet jumping into the nebula. Adama and his father briefly discuss their course of action; young Adama argues for an immediate emergency jump. Reluctantly, the Admiral orders the orbiting remains of the Fleet, whose population consists of around two thousand citizens, to escape, thus leaving New Caprica to the Cylons for the time being ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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=== Battle of New Caprica and Destruction of ''Pegasus'' ===<br />
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Commander Adama and his father get into a disagreement over whether or not a rescue mission should be mounted to New Caprica. Lee believes that it would end with the destruction of both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', leaving the pitiful remnants of the Fleet at the mercy of the Cylons. Lee also objects to the Admiral's decision to reinstate [[Sharon Agathon]] as a Colonial Fleet officer to act as liaison between the New Caprica resistance and ''Galactica''. These disagreements lead to heated arguments between the two, prompting Admiral Adama to make a comment about Lee's weight by calling him a "fatass" and saying he has grown "soft" in the past year ("[[Occupation]]", "[[Precipice]]"). Due to his son's objections, Admiral Adama decides to take ''Galactica'' to rescue the people on New Caprica alone. He gives his son orders to wait 18 hours for his return; if he does not return by then, Lee is to resume the search for Earth with what is left of the civilian fleet. Despite their disagreement, the two have a heartfelt goodbye. Lee tries to talk his father out of the plan and explain himself, but the older Adama stops him. Instead the two embrace and the Admiral gives his son full military honors when departing ''Galactica'' ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br />
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Lee is certain that his father will not return, and he is conflicted between his duty to protect the civilians and his duty to his father. His wife's attempt at reassurance only serve to heighten his guilt. Leaving his ship's Vipers behind to protect the civilians, he takes ''Pegasus'' to assist ''Galactica'', fully aware that he may very well be on a suicide mission. He joins the [[Battle of New Caprica|battle]] just in time, saving his father's ship from certain destruction. Immediately destroying one basestar after exiting the jump, Adama uses ''Pegasus'' to draw fire, giving ''Galactica'' time to escape. This action damages ''Pegasus'' beyond repair. Adama orders the crew to evacuate and sets the ship's [[Battery|batteries]] to be set on autofire. He is the last person to leave the CIC, thanking the ship as he departs. The small crew evacuates on Raptors just as ''Pegasus'' rams a basestar, destroying itself in the process ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br />
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The Commander and his crew transfer to the last remaining battlestar, ''Galactica''. Dissatisfied with his round appearance, he had also taken up a rigid exercise regimen and starts losing weight rapidly ([[Collaborators]]).<br />
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=== The Second Exodus ===<br />
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[[Image:Maj apollo in viper.jpg|thumb|right|Lee Adama back as a major in the role of ''Galactica's'' CAG ([[Torn]]).]]<br />
As of the episode "[[Torn]]", Lee has returned to the role of ''Galactica's'' CAG, with the rank of Major. When a dying basestar is discovered in the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], Adama leads a team of Marines on it and captures several humanoid Cylons. After Doctor [[Cottle]] discovers that they are infected with a virus lethal to the Cylons, Adama advocates to use the prisoners as biological weapons in an attempt to exterminate the Cylons. The plan is approved but ultimately fails due to the intervention of [[Karl Agathon]], who sabotages the mission ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).<br />
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When [[Daniel Novacek|Bulldog]] arrives on ''Galactica'', Admiral Adama tells Lee about [[Valkyrie|the mission]] they executed together, and how he believes it has led to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon holocaust]]. Lee blames the admiralty instead, saying they wanted to provoke a war ([[Hero]]).<br />
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After most of the Fleet has arrived safely on the [[algae planet]] following a [[Passage (star cluster)|harrowing journey]], Adama leads the food harvesting operations on the surface. Fourteen days into the harvesting mission, he meets with Kara Thrace and once again suggests they divorce their respective spouses. Thrace refuses to divorce and Adama refuses to cheat on his wife, deadlocking their relationship. When the [[Temple of Five]] is found on the planet and the Cylons show up, Adama is ordered to protect the temple from the Cylons, destroying it if necessary. He orders Starbuck to scout the terrain in her Raptor, which gets shot down by Centurions. After having sent Dualla to rescue Starbuck, the Major and his team attempt an ambush against a group of Centurions passing through a valley towards the temple. The ambush fails, and Adama orders to retreat and the temple to be blown. When trying to do so, he and his team witness the algae planet's star going supernova, and realize that the nova is in fact the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. After the Cylon fleet has jumped away to escape the destruction of the planetary system, the ground team is picked up by a rescue party ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Rapture]]").<br />
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Later Adama is treated by his friend [[Galen Tyrol]] to a little surprise: A number of crew have created a [[Joe's bar|bar]], on the starboard hangar deck, complete with a Pyramid arcade game and an old Viper Mark II hanging above for atmosphere. Tyrol and Adama have a drink as they discuss their marital problems; Tyrol and his wife Cally have had an argument that has apparently left him "in the doghouse". Adama is reluctant to interact with his wife, as his uncertainty over his love of Kara Thrace continues to fight with him. Adama returns to his quarters, quite drunk, to find Dualla still awake and doing some work, apparently drinking some type of [[alcohol]]. She tries to confirm if they are still going to have dinner later that day as Lee dozes off, leaving Dualla disappointed. Later on Adama and Dualla have an argument about Kara Thrace and the future of their marriage. Dualla says that she married Adama because she loved him, choosing to have him for as long as he or Kara Thrace would let him. She resigns herself to her marriage's failure and tells Adama that she will not stand in his way if he were to choose Thrace over her. Dualla then leaves. Thrace and Adama meet privately. When Thrace asks Adama if he loves her and would be with her if she were to leave Anders, Adama equivocates, remembering Thrace's fickleness [[Unfinished Business|after he declared his love a year before]]. Thrace leaves him to think about the situation.<br />
[[Image:3x13-Taking a Break From All Your Worries-Apollo.jpg|thumb|right|Lee Adama drinking in Joe's Bar ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).]]<br />
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Adama returns to the bar and drinks more, toying with his wedding band. He asks Chief Tyrol if he ever thought about what his future with [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] would have been like, or had any regrets. With a quick drink, Tyrol replies in the negative. Adama stumbles back to his quarters, losing his wedding band somewhere in ''Galactica's'' corridors. Lee Adama and his wife meet in Joe's Bar. Adama, having since found his lost wedding ring, confesses that he loves Dualla and how dedicated she has been to him, never realizing how much he needed her affection. As the two embrace, Adama tries to avoid looking across the bar at Kara Thrace and Anders. Thrace returns the glance before Adama breaks it off ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).<br />
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===Death of a Lover and Friend===<br />
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During refueling operations over a gas giant, Kara Thrace becomes mentally unstable, having [[Virtual Leoben|hallucinations]] about Leoben and her alleged [[The Destiny|destiny]]. When she refuses to fly another mission, Adama has a friendly talk with her. After all that happened two are back where they started; Thrace being the screwup pilot and Adama having to clean up after her as [[CAG]]. He also tells her that his relationship with Dee is better than ever. Adama offers to fly as her wingman to calm her. While on [[Combat Air Patrol|CAP]], Starbuck sees a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] and goes on alert, joined by Adama. However, from the vantage point of Adama, Thrace's [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] malfunctions and is drawn into the vortex of a storm. He gets sketchy information from Thrace when she says "I'll see you on the other side." Her Viper explodes, and Adama struggles to escape the vortex ([[Maelstrom]]). <br />
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He is badly shaken by her death, as evidenced by his lack of concentration as CAG, confusing people and mission details. He is also shaken by a story told by [[Romo Lampkin]]. Eventually, he begins the healing process with [[Samuel Anders]] by putting Thrace's picture into the [[memorial hallway]] ([[The Son Also Rises]]).<br />
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===The Trial of Gaius Baltar===<br />
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President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] recommends that Major Adama be put in charge of the proceedings of the trial of [[Gaius Baltar]]. However, due to the pressures that he is under, Adama declines the position (despite his interest in law as a child). As a token of his affection, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] gives Lee his [[Joseph Adama|grandfather]]'s Caprican [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Law books|Law Code books]] ([[A Day in the Life]]). Later, his father places Adama in charge of security for Baltar's lawyer, [[Romo Lampkin]], claiming that he trusts him, but also pulling him off his duties of CAG after he shows that Thrace's death affects his job performance. While following Lampkin around, Adama develops a desire to help Lampkin defend Baltar. His father is is not pleased with this idea, but allows him to do so ([[The Son Also Rises]]).<br />
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After Adama contributes to humiliating Colonel Tigh in court, he and his father have a falling out, which leads to Lee's resignation from the Colonial Fleet and him becoming a civilian. Adama also learns that President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] has resumed taking [[chamalla]], which he confronts her about in court, trying to discredit her credibility. Roslin pleads with him to not pursue his line of questioning, but he forces her to admit that her cancer has returned. Disappointed in Adama, she recollects times when the two were friends and she called him "Captain Apollo". After that, [[Anastasia Dualla|his wife]] packs her belongings in preparation for leaving Adama. She says that he should not have confronted the President, and that he was supporting a legal system that was trying to let a murderer walk. She leaves him alone, with him crying that she doesn't understand him ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br />
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In an unusual move, Adama takes the stand himself and delivers a [[Crossroads, Part II#Noteworthy Dialogue|passionate speech]] in defense of Baltar. He points out a string of incidents, some involving himself, where people were forgiven for serious crimes, and defends those decisions, arguing that humanity is not a real civilization anymore. Adama thinks that executing Baltar for actions that he couldn't really prevent is not justice, and that Baltar is just the Fleet's scapegoat for everyone's misdeeds and failures on New Caprica. The speech plays a major role in Baltar's subsequent acquittal. When Romo Lampkin leaves Adama after their victory, he leaves back his cane, which he used after being injured in an attempt on his life, and walks normally, thus showing how he manipulated both Adama and the court. Ultimately, Adama's sense of justice has [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|once again]] placed him at odds with his father, but this time he has alienated Roslin and his wife as well, leaving him seemingly alone.<br />
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===A New Beginning===<br />
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[[Image:Yet another frakking Adama talk.jpg|thumb|The Adamas attempt to reconcile after Baltar's trial ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).]]<br />
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As Cylon forces converges on the Fleet in the [[Ionian Nebula]], Adama unofficially returns to duty and mans a Viper. Unexpectedly, he encounters [[Kara Thrace]], whom he [[Maelstrom|believed dead]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). Adama and Thrace join the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|ensuing battle]] and help to defend the civilian ships from the Cylons. When Thrace returns to ''Galactica'', Adama is glad to see her again and believes her story to a certain degree, whereas most others are is distrustful and suspect a Cylon trap.<br />
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His father offers him his pilot wings back, and thus his commission, but Adama declines, saying that he felt the need for a change for some time, and that Baltar's trial was just the trigger. He thinks that he can gain a position in the Colonial government and make a contribution there ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).<br />
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[[Tom Zarek]] nominates Adama as the Caprican delegate on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. Adama is seen off ''Galactica'' with a party in the [[rec room]] and an official ceremony on the hangar deck, where many of the crew salute him and wish him good luck. He embraces Dualla and tells her that she "got the house", implying that their breakup is final ([[Six of One]]). Zarek appointed Adama because of his dedication to finding the truth during the Baltar trial, and because he wants Adama to fight against some or Roslin's proposed changes to the justice system, that are undemocratic in his eyes. Although in public, Roslin claims to have forgiven Adama and to admire his convictions, she snubs him by refusing to meet him and openly teases him about his inexperience in a Quorum session ([[The Ties That Bind]]).<br />
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Adama once again shows his idealism when Baltar's new [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] violently clashes with other religious groups in the Fleet. Whereas Roslin wants to shut down the group and pleads to the Quorum to retroactively sign off an emergency measure that restricts their right of assembly, Adama and [[Reza Chronides]] think that they are doing nothing blasphemous and illegal. The Quorum eventually decides to rescind Roslin's decision. Roslin later tells his father, that she thinks that Adama maybe be right, but that he is too idealistic and doesn't understand the pragmatism that is sometimes necessary in politics ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br />
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Following the unexplained disappearance of Laura Roslin on a rebel Cylon baseship ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]), Adama leads a search for an interim president, knowing that his father would never support an administration under Tom Zarek. Despite consulting Romo Lampkin on a list of 47 candidates, it is Lampkin who ultimately decides that Adama should be the interim president; Adama thanks Lampkin by offering [[Jake (New Caprica)|Jake]] as a pet to replace the loss of [[Faye Lampkin]]'s cat, [[Lance]]. <br />
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Even with his ascension to the presidency, Adama is unable to dissuade his father from stepping down as military leader, or his father's personal search for Roslin—a mission that Adama believes to be nothing short of suicide ([[Sine Qua Non]]).<br />
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===No Exit===<br />
After the failed coup de e'tat, in which Lee is the sole quorum delegate not killed in the massacre ordered by Tom Zarek, President Laura Roslin puts Lee in charge of forming a new quorum. Lee proposes the idea of making the new quorum based not upon the individual colonies but upon ships in the fleet, as he reasons that the people are no longer defined by their colonies but by their ships. Roslin approves of the idea and tells Lee that while she will remain President in title, she want's him to do the "heavy lifting" for there on.<br />
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*From [[Ronald D. Moore]]'s [[Wikipedia:blog|blog]], in response to a fan's question:<br />
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<blockquote>In my first draft of the [[Miniseries|mini]], Lee Adama had just been accepted into test pilot school on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] and was not currently assigned to any battlestar. Presumably, he had been posted to at least a couple of battlestar [[Air Group]]s in his career, as well as several ground assignments as well. This isn't canon yet, however, and I'm currently thinking of changing some elements of his specific backstory as I work on storylines for [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]]. Overall, I'd say Lee was striving (perhaps too hard) to blaze a different path for himself in the fleet from that of his [[William Adama|father]]. I don't think Lee ever saw himself as a battlestar commander and was looking for a different way to make his mark.</blockquote><br />
*The caption under Apollo's name in "[[Final Cut]]" list him as "CFR". In the podcast, Ron Moore explaines that this stands for "Colonial Fleet Reserves"; and that Apollo was a reserve officer because he wasn't sure what he was doing with his life and if he was going to pursue a full career in the Colonial Fleet.<br />
*According to Jamie Bamber, Adama's official character biography states that "Lee is never so happy as when he's in his kitchen cooking."<br />
* Jamie Bamber is the husband of actress [[Kerry Norton]], who portrays [[Layne Ishay]], the paramedic from "[[Scattered]]" and "[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]".<br />
* Bamber is actually British, however, he plays Lee Adama with an American accent (presumably to more closely match the accent of [[Edward James Olmos]] who plays his father).<br />
* Bamber's natural hair color is blonde, but his hair is dyed brown to play Apollo, so he will resemble [[Edward James Olmos]] more, who plays his characters' father. <br />
*While [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Mary McDonnell]] were hand-picked for their roles, the rest of the characters were cast by audition: among those in the running for the role of Apollo was ''[[w:Farscape|Farscape]]'' and ''[[w:Stargate SG-1|Stargate SG-1]]'' star [[Wikipedia:Ben Browder|Ben Browder]], though the role ultimately went to [[Jamie Bamber]].<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=23|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref><br />
*Admiral William Adama names his son to succeed him as commander of ''Galactica'' in his resignation letter ([[Hero]]) indicating how close they have become prior to the events of [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial.<br />
*Lee Adama's watch is a [http://www.nixonnow.com/watches/mens/the-scout-leather-A480.html Nixon Scout].<br />
*Lee Adama's Colonial Fleet ID tag is marked "L. Adama/ser 318742. {{citation needed}}<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
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This table was originally based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] posted in 2005, in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded and altered since that time to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and heavily supplemented by sources close to the show as well as a recently released rank pin chart. It should be noted that some of the ranks on the pin chart are listed differently elsewhere on this page for practical reasons. In some cases this is done because the rank given on the pin chart is assumed to represent a position rather than a specific rank (i.e. the only reference to term senior chief on screen (in "[[Blood on the Scales]]") appears to use it as a position rather than a rank, since only Tyrol hold's the position of senior chief but both he and Peter Laird are chief petty officers) or because the the rank on the pin chart is consistently referred to differently on screen (i.e. crew specialist has always been referred to as specialist).<br />
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The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
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The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
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{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE CORPS RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*In the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain (the real-world rank most similar to the colonial rank of commander) commands only the ship, while an admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group and is often on the same ship as a captain.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by a lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank devices - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one (Fisk's first appearance took place within the show's timeline after he had already been promoted to full colonel as Razor was filmed in between that season and the following one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ("[[Razor]]")<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref name="Major">After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's red-over-white piping instead of the normal simple white piping normally worn by all junior officer ranks. This may have been an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the term preferred by Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since that entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it has not been referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras. It's existance is further supported by the uses of white uniforms by many background extras which are unique from the standard enlisted and commissioned officer uniforms.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal <ref name="corporal">'''Lance Corporal''': The rank of lance corporal is introduced in [[The Oath"]] with Eduardo Maldonado, however, no insignia is ever shown, and the new pin chart doesn't seem to have a separate rank device for it, it's unclear whether this is a mistake on the part of the writing staff or whether it is intended to be a separate rank.</ref><br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name="crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand." However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private<br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
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==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major <ref name="Major"/>'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production staff never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer(CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Crew Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC) <ref name="corporal"/>'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC) <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref>'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
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These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg". With more recent device created by members of the battle star wiki community using his original designs as templates.<br />
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Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
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==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Master Chief (CF)<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Senior Chief (CF)<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class (CMC)<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant (CMC)<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg| Specialist (CF)<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman (CF)<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice (CF)<br />
</gallery><br />
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As mentioned above some of these ranks differ from that listed elsewhere on Battlestar Wiki for practicality purposes. In addition it is important to remember that each enlisted device corresponds to two ranks: the colonial fleet version and its colonial marine corps rank equivalent.<br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
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==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172526Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-08T17:20:15Z<p>Grandmaester314: Revised Production Chart Qualifers, added service designators for enlisted ranks on production chart, moved a crewman apprentice/private footnote link</p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table was originally based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] posted in 2005, in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded and altered since that time to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and heavily supplemented by sources close to the show as well as a recently released rank pin chart. It should be noted that some of the ranks on the pin chart are listed differently elsewhere on this page for practical reasons. In some cases this is done because the rank given on the pin chart is assumed to represent a position rather than a specific rank (i.e. the only reference to term senior chief on screen (in "[[Blood on the Scales]]") appears to use it as a position rather than a rank, since only Tyrol hold's the position of senior chief but both he and Peter Laird are chief petty officers) or because the the rank on the pin chart is consistently referred to differently on screen (i.e. crew specialist has always been referred to as specialist).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
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{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*In the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain (the real-world rank most similar to the colonial rank of commander) commands only the ship, while an admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group and is often on the same ship as a captain.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by a lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank devices - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one (Fisk's first appearance took place within the show's timeline after he had already been promoted to full colonel as Razor was filmed in between that season and the following one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ("[[Razor]]")<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref name="Major">After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's red-over-white piping instead of the normal simple white piping normally worn by all junior officer ranks. This may have been an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the term preferred by Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since that entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it has not been referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras. It's existance is further supported by the uses of white uniforms by many background extras which are unique from the standard enlisted and commissioned officer uniforms.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal <ref name="corporal">'''Lance Corporal''': The rank of lance corporal is introduced in [[The Oath"]] with Eduardo Maldonado, however, no insignia is ever shown, and the new pin chart doesn't seem to have a separate rank device for it, it's unclear whether this is a mistake on the part of the writing staff or whether it is intended to be a separate rank.</ref><br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name="crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand." However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private<br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major <ref name="Major"/>'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production staff never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer(CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Crew Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC) <ref name="corporal"/>'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC) <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref>'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg". With more recent device created by members of the battle star wiki community using his original designs as templates.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Master Chief (CF)<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Senior Chief (CF)<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class (CMC)<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant (CMC)<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg| Specialist (CF)<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman (CF)<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice (CF)<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
As mentioned above some of these ranks differ from that listed elsewhere on Battlestar Wiki for practicality purposes. In addition it is important to remember that each enlisted device corresponds to two ranks: the colonial fleet version and its colonial marine corps rank equivalent.<br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
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==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172525Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-08T17:07:39Z<p>Grandmaester314: Added second link to corporal/lance corporal footnote</p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table was originally based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] posted in 2005, in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded and altered since that time to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and heavily supplemented by sources close to the show as well as a recently released rank pin chart. It should be noted that some of the ranks on the pin chart are listed differently elsewhere on this page for practical reasons. In some cases this is done because the rank given on the pin chart is assumed to represent a position rather than a specific rank (i.e. the only reference to term senior chief on screen (in "[[Blood on the Scales]]") appears to use it as a position rather than a rank, since only Tyrol hold's the position of senior chief but both he and Peter Laird are chief petty officers) or because the the rank on the pin chart is consistently referred to differently on screen (i.e. crew specialist has always been referred to as specialist).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*In the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain (the real-world rank most similar to the colonial rank of commander) commands only the ship, while an admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group and is often on the same ship as a captain.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by a lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank devices - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one (Fisk's first appearance took place within the show's timeline after he had already been promoted to full colonel as Razor was filmed in between that season and the following one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ("[[Razor]]")<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref name="Major">After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's red-over-white piping instead of the normal simple white piping normally worn by all junior officer ranks. This may have been an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the term preferred by Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since that entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it has not been referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras. It's existance is further supported by the uses of white uniforms by many background extras which are unique from the standard enlisted and commissioned officer uniforms.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal <ref name="corporal">'''Lance Corporal''': The rank of lance corporal is introduced in [[The Oath"]] with Eduardo Maldonado, however, no insignia is ever shown, and the new pin chart doesn't seem to have a separate rank device for it, it's unclear whether this is a mistake on the part of the writing staff or whether it is intended to be a separate rank.</ref><br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name="crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand." However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major <ref name="Major"/>'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production staff never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer(CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Crew Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC) <ref name="corporal"/>'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg". With more recent device created by members of the battle star wiki community using his original designs as templates.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg| Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
As mentioned above some of these ranks differ from that listed elsewhere on Battlestar Wiki for practicality purposes.<br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172523Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-08T17:03:05Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table was originally based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] posted in 2005, in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded and altered since that time to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and heavily supplemented by sources close to the show as well as a recently released rank pin chart. It should be noted that some of the ranks on the pin chart are listed differently elsewhere on this page for practical reasons. In some cases this is done because the rank given on the pin chart is assumed to represent a position rather than a specific rank (i.e. the only reference to term senior chief on screen (in "[[Blood on the Scales]]") appears to use it as a position rather than a rank, since only Tyrol hold's the position of senior chief but both he and Peter Laird are chief petty officers) or because the the rank on the pin chart is consistently referred to differently on screen (i.e. crew specialist has always been referred to as specialist).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*In the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain (the real-world rank most similar to the colonial rank of commander) commands only the ship, while an admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group and is often on the same ship as a captain.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by a lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank devices - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one (Fisk's first appearance took place within the show's timeline after he had already been promoted to full colonel as Razor was filmed in between that season and the following one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ("[[Razor]]")<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref name="Major">After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's red-over-white piping instead of the normal simple white piping normally worn by all junior officer ranks. This may have been an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the term preferred by Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since that entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it has not been referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras. It's existance is further supported by the uses of white uniforms by many background extras which are unique from the standard enlisted and commissioned officer uniforms.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal <ref>'''Lance Corporal''': The rank of lance corporal is introduced in [[The Oath"]] with Eduardo Maldonado, however, no insignia is ever shown, and the new pin chart doesn't seem to have a separate rank device for it, it's unclear whether this is a mistake on the part of the writing staff or whether it is intended to be a separate rank.</ref><br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name="crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand." However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major <ref name="Major"/>'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production staff never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer(CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Crew Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg". With more recent device created by members of the battle star wiki community using his original designs as templates.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg| Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
As mentioned above some of these ranks differ from that listed elsewhere on Battlestar Wiki for practicality purposes.<br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172521Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-08T16:54:47Z<p>Grandmaester314: Added links to cited episodes</p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table was originally based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] posted in 2005, in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded and altered since that time to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and heavily supplemented by sources close to the show as well as a recently released rank pin chart. It should be noted that some of the ranks on the pin chart are listed differently elsewhere on this page for practical reasons. In some cases this is done because the rank given on the pin chart is assumed to represent a position rather than a specific rank (i.e. the only reference to term senior chief on screen (in [[Blood on the Scales]]) appears to use it as a position rather than a rank, since only Tyrol hold's the position of senior chief but both he and Peter Laird are chief petty officers) or because the the rank on the pin chart is consistently referred to differently on screen (i.e. crew specialist has always been referred to as specialist).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*In the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain (the real-world rank most similar to the colonial rank of commander) commands only the ship, while an admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group and is often on the same ship as a captain.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by a lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank devices - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one (Fisk's first appearance took place within the show's timeline after he had already been promoted to full colonel as Razor was filmed in between that season and the following one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's red-over-white piping instead of the normal simple white piping normally worn by all junior officer ranks. This may have been an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the term preferred by Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since that entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it has not been referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras. It's existance is further supported by the uses of white uniforms by many background extras which are unique from the standard enlisted and commissioned officer uniforms.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal <ref>'''Lance Corporal''': The rank of lance corporal is introduced in [[The Oath"]] with Eduardo Maldonado, however, no insignia is ever shown, and the new pin chart doesn't seem to have a separate rank device for it, it's unclear whether this is a mistake on the part of the writing staff or whether it is intended to be a separate rank.</ref><br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand." However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
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==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production staff never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer(CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Crew Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg". With more recent device created by members of the battle star wiki community using his original designs as templates.<br />
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Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg| Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
As mentioned above some of these ranks differ from that listed elsewhere on Battlestar Wiki for practicality purposes.<br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172520Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-08T16:52:14Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table was originally based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] posted in 2005, in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded and altered since that time to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and heavily supplemented by sources close to the show as well as a recently released rank pin chart. It should be noted that some of the ranks on the pin chart are listed differently elsewhere on this page for practical reasons. In some cases this is done because the rank given on the pin chart is assumed to represent a position rather than a specific rank (i.e. the only reference to term senior chief on screen (in the Season 4 episode "Blood on the Scales") appears to use it as a position rather than a rank, since only Tyrol hold's the position of senior chief but both he and Peter Laird are chief petty officers) or because the the rank on the pin chart is consistently referred to differently on screen (i.e. crew specialist has always been referred to as specialist).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*In the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain (the real-world rank most similar to the colonial rank of commander) commands only the ship, while an admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group and is often on the same ship as a captain.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by a lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank devices - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one (Fisk's first appearance took place within the show's timeline after he had already been promoted to full colonel as Razor was filmed in between that season and the following one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's red-over-white piping instead of the normal simple white piping normally worn by all junior officer ranks. This may have been an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the term preferred by Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since that entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it has not been referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras. It's existance is further supported by the uses of white uniforms by many background extras which are unique from the standard enlisted and commissioned officer uniforms.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal <ref>'''Lance Corporal''': The rank of lance corporal is introduced in "The Oath" with Eduardo Maldonado, however, no insignia is ever shown, and the new pin chart doesn't seem to have a separate rank device for it, it's unclear whether this is a mistake on the part of the writing staff or whether it is intended to be a separate rank.</ref><br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand." However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production staff never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officer'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer(CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Crew Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg". With more recent device created by members of the battle star wiki community using his original designs as templates.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg| Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
As mentioned above some of these ranks differ from that listed elsewhere on Battlestar Wiki for practicality purposes.<br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172308Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-07T15:43:34Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
__TOC__<br />
== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the preferred term in the Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it is not referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief (CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Crew Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for crew master chief/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Senior Chief (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg| Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172307Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-07T15:40:50Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the preferred term in the Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it is not referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief (CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Crew Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for crew master chief/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Senior Chief (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg|Crew Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172306Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-07T15:38:39Z<p>Grandmaester314: In Episode 4.14 Tyrol's old rank is listed on screen as Senior Chief, not Crew Senior Chief</p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
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{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the preferred term in the Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it is not referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
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==Insignia==<br />
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{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief (CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Crew Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for crew master chief/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Crew Senior Chief (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
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These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
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Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
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==Production images==<br />
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<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Crew Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Crew Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg|Crew Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
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==External Links==<br />
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[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172305Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-07T15:34:25Z<p>Grandmaester314: Sergeant vs Crew Sergeant, went with Crew Sergeant to be consistent.</p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
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{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the preferred term in the Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it is not referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Crew Master Chief || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Crew Senior Chief || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Crew Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief (CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Crew Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for crew master chief/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Crew Senior Chief (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Crew Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Crew Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Crew Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg|Crew Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=172304Military Ranks (RDM)2009-02-07T15:29:33Z<p>Grandmaester314: Even if mentioned in production materials, the rank is always referred to as "specialist"</p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
__TOC__<br />
== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and marine ranks inherited from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution and are elaborated during the series both on-screen and in production notes. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] (CMC) have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks largely mirror real world ranks. <ref name="sfc"/><br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and junior lieutenant, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| William Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0), [[Felix Gaeta]] (unofficially, during mutiny in "[[Blood on the Scales]]")<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| Jack Fisk ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, Lee Adama (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| Lee Adama (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| Kara Thrace (Miniseries-Season 2.5), Karl Agathon (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Although "lieutenant, junior grade" has also been used in dialogue a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]", the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant", and is thus the preferred term in the Battlestar Wiki. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''WARRANT OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Warrant Officer <ref name="warrant">'''Warrant officer''': Although to-date it is not referenced in spoken dialogue, the rank of warrant officer is included in costuming notes, and is worn on-screen by background extras.</ref> ||<br />
| Various background extras (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Crew Master Chief || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] (CMC, retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Crew Senior Chief || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] (CMC), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="sfc">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*Unlike the other CMC enlisted ranks, this is not a US Marine Corps rank but the US Army equivalent to gunnery sergeant.<br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] (CMC) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| Cally Henderson (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] (CMC), Galen Tyrol (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] (CMC), [[Stewart Jaffee]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman Apprentice || Private <ref>'''Crewman Apprentice/Private''': These insignia have not yet been shown on-screen, but are found in production materials.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] (CMC)<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Junior Lieutenant/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Warrant Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-WOPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Warrant Officer''' <ref name="warrant"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSGTPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Crew Master Chief (CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Crew Master Chief/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for crew master chief/sergeant major has never been worn on-screen as such, but the design is part of the civilian flight wings worn by the pilot of Colonial One.</ref><br />
| '''Crew Senior Chief (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="sfc"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewSpecPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanAppPin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman Apprentice (CF)/<br/>Private (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in "Razor") wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Production images==<br />
<br />
<gallery caption="Senior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Admiral.jpg|Admiral<br />
Image:Insignia_Commander.jpg|Commander<br />
Image:Insignia_Colonel.jpg|Colonel<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant_Colonel.jpg|Lieutenant Colonel<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Major.jpg|Major<br />
Image:Insignia_Captain.jpg|Captain<br />
Image:Insignia_Lieutenant.jpg|Lieutenant<br />
Image:Insignia_Ensign.jpg|Jr. Lieutenant/<br>Ensign<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Warrant Officer" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Warrant_officer.jpg|Warrant Officer<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Senior Enlisted Personnel/Non-Commissioned Officers" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Master_Chief.jpg|Crew Master Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Senior_Chief.jpg|Crew Senior Chief<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant_First_Class.jpg|Sergeant First Class<br />
Image:Insignia_Sergeant.jpg|Crew Sergeant<br />
</gallery><br />
<gallery caption="Junior Enlisted Personnel" widths="115px" heights="103px" perrow="4"><br />
Image:Insignia_Crew_Specialist.jpg|Crew Specialist<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman.jpg|Crewman<br />
Image:Insignia_Crewman_Apprentice.jpg|Crewman Apprentice<br />
</gallery><br />
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==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
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==External Links==<br />
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[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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== Number ==<br />
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Shouldn't Commander be listed as O-7 and Rear Admiral as O-8? Not even getting into the debate over the officer/flag officer status of the Commander rank (although it could go either way (the Colonial forces could have seven officer ranks)), but why is it listed as N/A? It's clearly higher than Colonel, which is O-6. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 21:05, 26 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:The numbers correspond with the US ranks, not the BSG ranks. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:13, 27 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== PO3 ==<br />
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I understand the note about Venner, since PO3 and Cpl are equivalent, but the page itself does quote RDM who says that there is no PO3 grade. How can the page be modified to show this? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 18:27, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Mhh, you're right. Though I don't consider that one blog entry as the very last word on it. Ideas might have changed a bit by now. Who knows.<br />
:Anyways, the list incluces PO3 mainly for the sake of completion I guess. It does say that some aspects of the table are speculative and that was always ok. You could add a footnote, like done for all other annotations. Then the explination shows up under "references". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== New information ==<br />
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There's an article that is a few months old on galactica.tv about the pins and symbols of the uniforms [http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 08:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:The new information is really the tiny details that are available from of the pins. Our insignia pictures are from that very same rank chart, so the information is already reflected, except for the narrower Lt.j.g. pin. I can update that later. We just have drawings instead of photographs which is somewhat cleaner however. Maybe the great photo of the Commander pin could be included somehow? (like "more images").<br />
:Maybe the information on the other uniform devices could be put on [[Uniforms (RDM)]] though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:10, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Sounds good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:30, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Recent round of edits ==<br />
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I got caught up in this again. If I come off as harsh or all to superior, I'm really sorry, but I think this page is pretty good as it is. And all the rest is really pretty nitpicky.<br />
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I think it comes down to to different approaches:<br />
#That the whole comparison to modern militaries (specifically the US Navy) is overdone.<br />
#Some people seem to be more interested having a close to perfect comparison. Nothing wrong with that. <br />
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Personally, I'm clearly in camp 1. Sure there are many parallels. But it's not exactly the same. So this page shouldn't be forced to do something that just isn't there. And in the last major overhauls I tried to excise many of the unnecessary comparisons and make more BSG arguments for things. As it stands, we have reasonable good evidence (sometimes conjectural) that commander more closely resembles a modern captain. Like it doesn't seem to be considered a flag rank; and Roslin also seems to imply that she sees Adama as captain in "Resurrection Ship, Part II". The rest is just made fit as best as possible. Putting Lt. opposed to Lt. make most sense, and so that leaves one rank free. It's not all that clear, but it's there.<br />
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So how do other people feel about this? Not so much about the details, but the whole approach of the article. Is the US Navy thing really that important? Should the article be more about BSG? Should we maybe just ditch the comparison if it's so troublesome and not perfect anyways? I think we can keep it, but it just needs to be clear that it's not supposed to be 1:1. I updated the introduction further to try to reflect that. Maybe I'm just too invested here, because I made a lot substantial edits to it, but I also don't like if people just change substantial things, when we had a sort-of consensus about it.<br />
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To the people who made those edits: I know you are new. I know that you haven't read everything. And I really don't want to seem overly harsh to you. That's why I'm trying to explain and discuss this here. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 22 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Why not just scrap the US Naval Rank column ==<br />
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Absent anything from Ron Moore or the writer's bible, it's all speculation and guesstimation. The only salient comparisons within the RDM Galactica universe would be Fleet vs. Marines. The "Official Statement" is self-explanatory. And like a lot of good fiction, sometimes it's best to leave some details to the individual's own imagination ... {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}<br />
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:Yeah, I'm just about ready do that. We can also keep it, but people just have to realize that it won't fit perfectly. It's a rough guideline, but nothing more. I've inserted two paragraphs now that point that out, without actually hitting the reader of the head.<br />
:That whole part is really from the very first version of this article, that was actually more about finding arguments for that comparison table than documenting the BSG universe. Sure you can make a table that lines all up 1:1, but after some discussion most people felt that there are more points to compare the BSG rank of commander to a real world captain, and the rest is built around that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:38, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::My only concern with deleting it is that it's the type of thing that might get periodically re-added by passers-by. I'd advise some note on the article to head that off, but I have doubts as to whether that would be heeded. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::True. And while it's not that important, there is some merit to the comparison. It shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously (pot.kettle.black. ;)), but some people are probably interested to know where certain ranks fall. In retrospect I realize that while there were explanations for certain ranks, there was no explanation for the overall structure. That was an oversight that is hopefully corrected now. We can't expect people to read long arguments on the talk pages to understand how some things are decided, and parts of this article were just presented "as is" without clarification. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Room for other ranks?==<br />
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It is hard to beleive that the ranks shown thus far are the only ones. There would logically be something like Midshipman for officer trainees and Lieutenant-Colonel. If so, the Midshipman grad would be easy to figure out (a white diamond), though Lt. Col would be a little more difficult, given the differences between the Colonel and Major insignia. Just a thought... [[User:Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]] 16:58, 27 December 2007 (PST)<br />
: True. However, we go with ranks that we've either seen or heard on screen or via behind-the-scenes sources. We don't really speculate on any "missing" ranks, since that falls under "[[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 19:05, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Specialist classes==<br />
IMO the specialist class ranks from the [[Flight of the Phoenix]] and [[Revelations]] credits should be considered official unless they are refuted by a more recent official source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What specialist class ranks are you referring to?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The credits list Figurski as "Specialist 3rd class". So, there appear to be at least 3 subdivisions here. But it's not that clear how they should be split up. We also only have a single rank insignia for specialist. I'll add a footnote for now, as it should be noted. It should probably be included into the table, but the question is how. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== RDM's list ==<br />
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Seeing the edits on the page, I need to chime in here. RDM's list, which was published over three years ago, is not the definitive list and we should not be a slave to it. There have been introductions of new ranks since then, like Lt. Colonel and Rear Admiral, that are not included on his list. Conspicuously, he does not include "Warrant Officer" (which there is a pin for, and these are the guys in the BG with the beige BDUs), in addition to Private (like [[Stewart Jaffee]]). I'll try to post the definitive list in a few weeks, but the edits that Serenity did are the most accurate to date with the presently available information I have. Attempts to revert them will probably resort in the page being locked, just so you know, since I don't want a needless edit war to break out. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, just what I was thinking. I don't get why this should be ''the'' definite list. It's a fine basis, but it's old and things have been added since then. And this page has always been speculative. In the past far more so than now. It's not like the speculative ranks aren't marked. I've included an (s) for those two ranks now, in addition to the footnotes. I wouldn't just add all kinds of speculation just because it sounds nice, but it's marked clearly enough. If people would rather have something more "official" they are free to skip those lines. It just doesn't make much sense to skip vice admiral for no reason, when rear admiral and admiral have been established, given that the ranks more or less follow real-world examples otherwise. And it's been on the list for one or two years without anyone really objecting.<br />
:In general my reverts here, have also been about style. Mainly odd capitalization. Things like "commissioned officer" just aren't capitalized (unless in the headers of the table and such). But neither are ranks. It's "Johnson is a lieutenant", but "Tell Lieutenant Johnson". That's also [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Military_terms|what Wikipedia uses]], though they are a bit inconsistent with it. Other sources like [http://www.hjf.org/style_guide/style.html#Titles this], [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm this] or [http://stylemanual.ngs.org/Intranet/styleman.nsf/2050e60b02a59c46852566510067477d/2fa90f9b71e105f6852566880054c234?OpenDocument this] also make this clear. I've also noted that people try to capitalize "president" and "vice president" on every occasion. The same rules usually apply there unless it's the full title of the office like "President of the Twelve Colonies"-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: All true. By the way, I'd like to get rid of the "Junior Grade"/"Senior Grade" stuff and simply go with "Junior Lieutenant" and "Senior Lieutenant", since this is what they identify these ranks by behind the scenes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::On screen both are used though (though in props mostly junior lieutenant). They seem to exist side by side. There is a footnote about it, actually (#7). Maybe that could be changed to make it clearer, or switched around. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The only real mentions of "Lieutenant Junior Grade" are in the Miniseries, and that was quickly dropped, along with a few other things that didn't quite work from the miniseries. (Such as the "Blade Runner" guns from the Miniseries, which weren't built to last anyway and were just poorly designed.) But I see your point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Initial new information ==<br />
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This is by no means the complete list of ranks, but it's based off the pin-ordering sheet I have in front of me. (No, I can't scan it. Sorry.)<br />
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From highest to lowest (these are the "green fill" verisons):<br />
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* Crew Master Chief<br />
* Crew Senior Chief (this is what Tyrol wears before his demotion for being an ass)<br />
* Sergeant 1st Class (basically the Junior Lieutenant, except the fill is green, not gold).<br />
* Crew Sergeant (like crew specialist, but has another border—with no breaks—between the outside border and the diamond)<br />
* Crew Specialist <br />
* Crewman (which is the same pin as the "Private" that Jaffee wears)<br />
* Crewman Apprentice <br />
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The gold versions:<br />
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* Commander<br />
* Colonel<br />
* Warrant Officer (worn by those in the beige BDUs, it's similar to the Crew Master Chief, itself a cross between the Lt. Col and Crew Senior Chief pips)<br />
* Lt. Colonel (these are the pins that Dualla was wearing in "LDYB" Pt. II<br />
* Major<br />
* Captain<br />
* Senior Lieutenant<br />
* Junior Lieutenant<br />
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As we've already determined earlier, the "ensign" rank pin does not exist.<br />
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I'm working on finding about the Admiral pins. <br />
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Also, an interesting story about the flight wings that the pilots wear... the symbols in the middle resemble the Captain's rank pins. There's a reason for this. The pins were also supposed to echo the rank of the wearer, but this idea was abandoned during the production. I don't know why, but I'll lay my money on the fact that it had to do with cost. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:That actually fits pretty well with the current structure (aside from the names), but some of the enlisted ranks as they are now have been established in dialogue. For example, Dualla is called petty officer second class by Billy, and I think Tyrol is identified as chief petty officer as well. The term "petty officer" in general is also mentioned (for example by Adama when he demotes Tyrol). So that would screw things up a bit.<br />
:As for warrant officer. Not everyone in beige BDUs can be a WO. Some of the Marines who have been identified with other ranks wear them as well, most notably Hadrian. It would probably be more accurate to say that in practice all WOs wear beige. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::The warrant-officers-in-khaki thing has always left me scratching my head ... why single out warrant officers with a different style uniform, but have the officers and enlisted wear the same color fatigues? For comparison's sake, in the US Navy, ranks of chief petty officer and above wear khaki service uniforms like officers (hence the term "khaki leadership"), making it easy to make the "chiefs-vs-indians" distinction in a crowd. Maybe it was easier (and cheaper) to "ret-con" the khakis as warrant officer uniforms and kind of sneak by on the collar insignia (which had little chance with a crowd like this :-)), rather than go through the cost and time of developing new insignia.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::There's that too, but it's fiction, so why not? But the other other points that speak against being all khakis = WOs. For example that the uniform is used a lot (there shouldn't be that many WOs from what I understand), is also used by Marine Sergeants (and others) and also worn by a lot of young crewmen. Warrant officers should generally be a bit older I think. It might have been thought of that way, but I don't think the wardrobe department really adheres to it closely. Not that I blame them. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I don't know, this list is a little confusing, it seems like it's a combination of marine and fleet ranks. When you get a chance Joe, I'd like to say a side by side break down of rank equivalents, I have some other questions regarding this list but I'll hold them because I think a side-by-side might answer them. Particularly because some of Joe's comments seem to contradict what we have known up to know.<br />
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I'm sure you guys have all seen the graphical rank guide put out by somebody (I can't remember the name of the top of my head but I'd be interested both to see the next update and how the new information jibes with the current version. Does anybody know how to contact this guy?-- [[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 15:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::You might be referring to Jim Stevenson's article on galactica.tv: http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/the-history-of-the-rank-insignia-chart-for-battlestar-galactica-2003.html<br />
::IMO, I think his observations and analysis are about as speculative as the discussion in this wiki.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Fred, RDM and co. are following their own conventions; they don't have to mirror real-world conventions, at all, despite the wishes of some. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm just saying ... have there been any references, on-screen or in production notes, of "sr-lieutenant"? Lieutenant and jr-lieutenant have been used in scripts and on props to-date, as far as I know ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yes, numerous times. Where, pray tell, do you think I got the above list? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So any idea about the enlisted ranks that are missing but have been mentioned in ''dialogue'' (most notably "petty officer second class"). "Specialist" has been mentioned numerous times and is on the list, but PO2 is not on it. If that can't be resolved, it's not really much better than what we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I realize that Stevenson's model is just as much speculation as ours but I thought it might be helpful to coordinate with him so we can get a consistent image for the new rank insignia's we know know as well as give proposals for ranks that are now known to exist but for which ranks haven't been developed. Right now the Lt. Col. image sticks out because it doesn't show the fringes colors like all the officers I have a version from his sheet that shows it only with white fringe, (at the time it had only been seen worn by Dualla). Also I think now that we know the the insignia for Apprentice/Private First Class, its easy to conclude that their is indeed an insignia for recruit/private because without one, the trend from Apprentice/PFC to Specialist/Corporal to PO2/Sergeant doesn't make sense.<br />
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While I'm at it I'd like to propose a new tentative ranks structure based on what new information we now have. Of course this is subject to change when Joe gets more info but I want to run what I've got by all of you and see if I'm missing something or have something confused.<br />
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*Flag Officer<br />
**Admiral<br />
**Rear Admiral<br />
*Senior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Commander<br />
**Colonel<br />
**Lieutenant Colonel<br />
*Junior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Major<br />
**Captain<br />
**Senior Lieutenant<br />
**Junior Lieutenant<br />
**Ensign<br />
*Senior Enlisted (Non-Commissioned Officer)<br />
**Master Chief Petty Officer/Sergeant-Major<br />
**Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant<br />
**Chief Petty Officer/Gunnery Sergeant<br />
**Petty Officer First Class/Sergeant First Class<br />
**Petty Officer Second Class/Sergeant<br />
*Junior Enlisted<br />
**Specialist/Corporal<br />
**Apprentice/Private First Class<br />
**Recruit/Private<br />
<br />
Also, I want to clarify two things with Joe: First, it appears from something you wrote above that you believe Tyrol was a Senior Chief Petty Officer instead of just plain Chief. Is that true? Second, are there supposed to be separate rank insignia for warrant officers or are they supposed to be simply identified by their uniform color.<br />
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Finally I'm kinda wondering if there are multiple grades of warrant officer like their are in the U.S. military.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I need to make something a bit clear here. Firstly, the costuming / props department has not made a new rank for every single specialist (whether that be SP1, SP2, SP3). Figurski wears the same pins that Cally does, for instance. Also, with regard to the Lt. Col. pins, one of the judges (the African one) from "Crossroads" wears these pins on his own uniform, though is not part of the Col. Military. So... when it comes to the accouterments of b.g. officers, they're not really anal about it. And speaking of the Lt. Col pins, there's at least one or two offers in the blue BDUs that wear them, simply because they're not enough pins to go around. (Or not enough on the truck, or whatever.) <br />
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: As for Tyrol, since there are other petty officers aboard (i.e. [[Basim]] and [[Peter Laird]]), it would make the most sense. In any event, he wears the pins.<br />
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: For the ranking system itself... it wasn't meant to be overly analyzed like what we're doing. As RDM indicated, it is derived from TOS—which I personally believe to be a serious mistake—so it was already FUBARed from the start. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Just a nitpick and tidbit to chew on, take it for what it's worth ... there is no such thing as Sergeant First Class in the Marine Corps. If you're aiming to align with PO1, that would be Staff Sergeant (SSG). The only sergeant ranks I can recall from dialogue in the episodes (not including credits, to which I never really paid attention) are the generic "sergeant" and "gunny", so conceivable room to justify SFC rather than SSG (which is an army equivalent of gunny & CPO). Such are the hazards of trying to maintain something resembling "canon" with a combination of speculation, extrapolation, and a writing staff that introduces contradictions and revisions, not to mentioning costuming (lol for effect) ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 21:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Ugh, my use of the word "canon" gave me spine shivers, I hope things don't devolve into something "Richard Arnold"-esque (a ''Star Trek'' fandom spectactle/controversy/train-wreck, for those not familiar with the name ...)!-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 22:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== References ==<br />
The references currently aren't showing up. I've checked the page in K-Meleon and IE6. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I tried it in IE7 and it doesn't work when I'm logged out. Logging in will display the references. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Frak. I'll try to fix that tonight. I think we may just need to update the extension... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Recent Updates ==<br />
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As the freeze period has expired I decided to make some updates which I thought seemed appropriate. In the interest of avoiding another edit war I'd like to elaborate a little on those changes which I think are most likely to be controversial.<br />
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*I have once again removed the rank of Vice Admiral, I know this has been a sore point between me and some others but with lieutenant colonel, their are now ten confirmed officer ranks which already is starting to make the rank structure pretty top heavy especially given that in the U.S. Military there are usually ten officer ranks and nine enlisted ranks. Currently we have ten confirmed officer ranks and only seven confirmed enlisted ranks (eight if you include senior chief petty officer which hasn't been proven). I think it highly unlikely that there would be such a discrepency in the number of ranks between the two corps (officers v. enlisted). I have left senior chief petty officer because I think it is at least possible that such a rank may exist, although I am by no means sold on it..<br />
*As for the Marine Ranks: The ranks of private, private first class, and sergeant major have already been established both as ranks and as to their position in the rank structure. In addition, the ranks of Corporal, Sergeant and Gunnery Sergeant have been established as existing but their place in the structure hasn't been definitively established. To fill out the gap between sergeant and gunnery sergeant (as well as to confirm the places of the other ranks that are as of yet unconfirmed as to position, I have relied on Joe's post indicating a partial rank listing. In that posting he mentions both sergeant and sergeant first class as distinct ranks and also notes that sergeant first class shares the same insignia as petty officer first class. If we assume that this information is correct we then have enough information to definitively name and place all the marine enlisted ranks. That is how I have derived the current structure.<br />
*I also have removed marine "lieutenant" Terry Burrell from the officer example list since, as was already indicated on the page in a footnote, his place in the rank structure is not definitively known.<br />
*As noted in the footnotes, the reason for my changing the rank of deckhand also is derived from Joe's post. It's also partly inspired by my own personal belief that deckhand doesn't really sound like a rank. However as their is generally hostility to changes based only on personal inclinations (and perhaps rightly so), I have only changed it now based on the new information provided by Joe.<br />
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I also have a couple questions:<br />
*How is that some you are able to include brief comments in your history logs?<br />
*How does one upload pictures? I have a better version (though still not consistent with the others for the crewman/private first class insignia but I don't know how to post it.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 17:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I think the serious mistake here is the mistake we made in earlier versions of this article. That mistake was to try to mirror or associate Colonial Military ranks to US (and other real-world) military ranks; obviously, since the Original Series rank structure was FUBARed to begin with, there could be no clear real-life association to be made. So, yes, it may be top heavy... but we're here to report, not to make up facts or fanwank to explain things, which is what I'm starting to see here a bit, particularly with the brevet ranking notes.<br />
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: Regarding your questions, the "summary" line in the editing form is where we note the brief comments in the history logs. To upload files, you need to go to the [[md:|Media Repository]] to upload your files. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Yeah, the deckhand thing makes sense. That always seemed a weird choice for a rank, as it also refers to mechanics and the like in general. As for Dualla's rank in LDYB. The simplest thing is to leave it at lieutenant and consider it a costuming mishap. It's the first time she appeared in an officer's uniform, which may explain it. The explanation about a brevet promotion may appear logical, but from what I can tell, the writers don't put that much thought into such trivial details. Every comment about Lee Adama, for example, makes it sound like they consider it to be a normal promotion. And his demotion to major is actually referred to explicitly in a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd-KJ2Jscko deleted scene] in "Collaborators", even if it's a bit jokingly. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Updated Rank Chart based off of format established by Jim Stevenson ==<br />
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I'm sure all of you by now has seen the rank guide created by Jim Stevenson, in fact I'm pretty sure that's where almost all of the rank device images on the page come from. Anyway it's been a year and a half since he last updated it and there have been several major updates, so I went ahead and updated it might self. Would there be a problem with me posting it, and if so would people have a problem with me posting it in lieu of the current chart?<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 21:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You should definitely ask him if he's ok with you updating and reworking it. He hasn't worked on it for some time, but it's still his design. This page credits him, but I also asked if I could cut the chart up like this. And actually creating a new version is another thing entirely. He might be fine with it, but you should ask.<br />
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:As for the change I made to your recent edits. That wasn't about the content, so much as the style. We already have an entire page of footnotes and such extensive notes aren't good to read IMO. Yeah, I've seen legal documents with one page for ''one'' footnote, but that doesn't mean it's such a good idea. Most of it is necessary here, but the stuff you added was very self-argumentative and could be shortened a lot. Basically it says that it's unclear why the decision was made, that there may be one or two in-universe reasons, but that there are also real-world reasons like an error or production realities. That's perfectly fine, but it's possible to say that in one or two sentences without adding five footnotes, that were frankly hard to read the way they were worded and structured. It took me a while to get what the actual argument was, and then I realized that a lot of it didn't really add to the point made, but just hid it behind verbosity. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I would have asked him directly but I have no way of contacting him. Also I apologize for the "verbosity," I have a very flowery writing style and to be quite honest couldn't simply anything to save my life, if anybody would like to try to do that I welcome the assistance. However I do reserve the right to reinsert something if I believe something of value has been cut.[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 14:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::With the upcoming auction of BSG props, wouldn't now be an opportune time to replace the rank illustrations with images of actual production insignia? It would also be interesting to see the insignia used on the tan warrant officer uniforms - even if there is an inconsistency, it's something footnotable and worthy of interest.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 08:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::If they're ''high quality'' pictures sure. I decided to use those illustrations in the absence of any detailed references and screencaps. The recently added real pictures are still of pretty low quality. They are a nice complement, but can't really replace the drawings IMO. But if we can get nice photos of all pins, sure. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, that's why the gallery of pin photos was added, instead of replacing the graphics. Jim's graphics had some inaccuracies that had to be corrected, such as plain "starbursts" w/o the Colonial emblem for the rank lieutenant colonel. The ranks of warrant officer and crew sergeant were missing and had to be "cooked up". Also, replacing the table would have removed the collar piping illustrations, which would have thrown off the text references in the article.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 22:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Additional footnote for Lieutenant Colonel insignia ==<br />
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Would it make sense to add an additional bullet to the footnote mentioning that this insignia has been used on warrant officer uniforms? It appears to be the case from pictures in the BSG auction catalog.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 10:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
: You mean the Warrant Officer's pin, right? Since that was the one mainly used on the tan BDU (with the exception of Sgt. [[Hadrian]]). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Is there a distinct warrant officer's pin? The ones on the tan BDU's looked like the Lt Col Fisk/Dualla insignia.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 18:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, it's basically the same pin as the Lt. Colonel, but with the smaller diamond plates on the sides... very much like the collar dogs that Chief wears, except gold and silver. There's a picture of it in the catalog in the pin collection... the lot # escapes me right now, but a quick search of the PDF (or of the catalog on Auction Network) will pull that up in a jiffy. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: Yeah, the side lozenges are closer-in than the Chief's pin, easy to go unnoticed without a dialogue closeup shot (or in auction catalog full-length tan costume illustration) :-)-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 03:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Lance Corporal ==<br />
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Another wrench thrown into the works perhaps (Lance Corporal Maldonaldo)? It doesn't help that he wore the black tactical uniform without rank insignia. -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 07:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Yeah I noticed that to, I'm inclined to chalk it up as an error on the part of the writing staff. None of the production materials we've seen to date recognize the existance of that rank. If such information is forthcoming I think that time would the appropriate time to add it to the chart. Until then, I think it best to leave it out. -- [[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 14:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Military_Ranks_(RDM)/Archive3&diff=172298Talk:Military Ranks (RDM)/Archive32009-02-07T14:48:47Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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== Number ==<br />
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Shouldn't Commander be listed as O-7 and Rear Admiral as O-8? Not even getting into the debate over the officer/flag officer status of the Commander rank (although it could go either way (the Colonial forces could have seven officer ranks)), but why is it listed as N/A? It's clearly higher than Colonel, which is O-6. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 21:05, 26 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:The numbers correspond with the US ranks, not the BSG ranks. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:13, 27 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== PO3 ==<br />
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I understand the note about Venner, since PO3 and Cpl are equivalent, but the page itself does quote RDM who says that there is no PO3 grade. How can the page be modified to show this? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 18:27, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Mhh, you're right. Though I don't consider that one blog entry as the very last word on it. Ideas might have changed a bit by now. Who knows.<br />
:Anyways, the list incluces PO3 mainly for the sake of completion I guess. It does say that some aspects of the table are speculative and that was always ok. You could add a footnote, like done for all other annotations. Then the explination shows up under "references". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== New information ==<br />
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There's an article that is a few months old on galactica.tv about the pins and symbols of the uniforms [http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 08:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:The new information is really the tiny details that are available from of the pins. Our insignia pictures are from that very same rank chart, so the information is already reflected, except for the narrower Lt.j.g. pin. I can update that later. We just have drawings instead of photographs which is somewhat cleaner however. Maybe the great photo of the Commander pin could be included somehow? (like "more images").<br />
:Maybe the information on the other uniform devices could be put on [[Uniforms (RDM)]] though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:10, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Sounds good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:30, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Recent round of edits ==<br />
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I got caught up in this again. If I come off as harsh or all to superior, I'm really sorry, but I think this page is pretty good as it is. And all the rest is really pretty nitpicky.<br />
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I think it comes down to to different approaches:<br />
#That the whole comparison to modern militaries (specifically the US Navy) is overdone.<br />
#Some people seem to be more interested having a close to perfect comparison. Nothing wrong with that. <br />
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Personally, I'm clearly in camp 1. Sure there are many parallels. But it's not exactly the same. So this page shouldn't be forced to do something that just isn't there. And in the last major overhauls I tried to excise many of the unnecessary comparisons and make more BSG arguments for things. As it stands, we have reasonable good evidence (sometimes conjectural) that commander more closely resembles a modern captain. Like it doesn't seem to be considered a flag rank; and Roslin also seems to imply that she sees Adama as captain in "Resurrection Ship, Part II". The rest is just made fit as best as possible. Putting Lt. opposed to Lt. make most sense, and so that leaves one rank free. It's not all that clear, but it's there.<br />
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So how do other people feel about this? Not so much about the details, but the whole approach of the article. Is the US Navy thing really that important? Should the article be more about BSG? Should we maybe just ditch the comparison if it's so troublesome and not perfect anyways? I think we can keep it, but it just needs to be clear that it's not supposed to be 1:1. I updated the introduction further to try to reflect that. Maybe I'm just too invested here, because I made a lot substantial edits to it, but I also don't like if people just change substantial things, when we had a sort-of consensus about it.<br />
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To the people who made those edits: I know you are new. I know that you haven't read everything. And I really don't want to seem overly harsh to you. That's why I'm trying to explain and discuss this here. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 22 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Why not just scrap the US Naval Rank column ==<br />
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Absent anything from Ron Moore or the writer's bible, it's all speculation and guesstimation. The only salient comparisons within the RDM Galactica universe would be Fleet vs. Marines. The "Official Statement" is self-explanatory. And like a lot of good fiction, sometimes it's best to leave some details to the individual's own imagination ... {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}<br />
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:Yeah, I'm just about ready do that. We can also keep it, but people just have to realize that it won't fit perfectly. It's a rough guideline, but nothing more. I've inserted two paragraphs now that point that out, without actually hitting the reader of the head.<br />
:That whole part is really from the very first version of this article, that was actually more about finding arguments for that comparison table than documenting the BSG universe. Sure you can make a table that lines all up 1:1, but after some discussion most people felt that there are more points to compare the BSG rank of commander to a real world captain, and the rest is built around that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:38, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::My only concern with deleting it is that it's the type of thing that might get periodically re-added by passers-by. I'd advise some note on the article to head that off, but I have doubts as to whether that would be heeded. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::True. And while it's not that important, there is some merit to the comparison. It shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously (pot.kettle.black. ;)), but some people are probably interested to know where certain ranks fall. In retrospect I realize that while there were explanations for certain ranks, there was no explanation for the overall structure. That was an oversight that is hopefully corrected now. We can't expect people to read long arguments on the talk pages to understand how some things are decided, and parts of this article were just presented "as is" without clarification. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Room for other ranks?==<br />
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It is hard to beleive that the ranks shown thus far are the only ones. There would logically be something like Midshipman for officer trainees and Lieutenant-Colonel. If so, the Midshipman grad would be easy to figure out (a white diamond), though Lt. Col would be a little more difficult, given the differences between the Colonel and Major insignia. Just a thought... [[User:Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]] 16:58, 27 December 2007 (PST)<br />
: True. However, we go with ranks that we've either seen or heard on screen or via behind-the-scenes sources. We don't really speculate on any "missing" ranks, since that falls under "[[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 19:05, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Specialist classes==<br />
IMO the specialist class ranks from the [[Flight of the Phoenix]] and [[Revelations]] credits should be considered official unless they are refuted by a more recent official source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What specialist class ranks are you referring to?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The credits list Figurski as "Specialist 3rd class". So, there appear to be at least 3 subdivisions here. But it's not that clear how they should be split up. We also only have a single rank insignia for specialist. I'll add a footnote for now, as it should be noted. It should probably be included into the table, but the question is how. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== RDM's list ==<br />
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Seeing the edits on the page, I need to chime in here. RDM's list, which was published over three years ago, is not the definitive list and we should not be a slave to it. There have been introductions of new ranks since then, like Lt. Colonel and Rear Admiral, that are not included on his list. Conspicuously, he does not include "Warrant Officer" (which there is a pin for, and these are the guys in the BG with the beige BDUs), in addition to Private (like [[Stewart Jaffee]]). I'll try to post the definitive list in a few weeks, but the edits that Serenity did are the most accurate to date with the presently available information I have. Attempts to revert them will probably resort in the page being locked, just so you know, since I don't want a needless edit war to break out. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, just what I was thinking. I don't get why this should be ''the'' definite list. It's a fine basis, but it's old and things have been added since then. And this page has always been speculative. In the past far more so than now. It's not like the speculative ranks aren't marked. I've included an (s) for those two ranks now, in addition to the footnotes. I wouldn't just add all kinds of speculation just because it sounds nice, but it's marked clearly enough. If people would rather have something more "official" they are free to skip those lines. It just doesn't make much sense to skip vice admiral for no reason, when rear admiral and admiral have been established, given that the ranks more or less follow real-world examples otherwise. And it's been on the list for one or two years without anyone really objecting.<br />
:In general my reverts here, have also been about style. Mainly odd capitalization. Things like "commissioned officer" just aren't capitalized (unless in the headers of the table and such). But neither are ranks. It's "Johnson is a lieutenant", but "Tell Lieutenant Johnson". That's also [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Military_terms|what Wikipedia uses]], though they are a bit inconsistent with it. Other sources like [http://www.hjf.org/style_guide/style.html#Titles this], [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm this] or [http://stylemanual.ngs.org/Intranet/styleman.nsf/2050e60b02a59c46852566510067477d/2fa90f9b71e105f6852566880054c234?OpenDocument this] also make this clear. I've also noted that people try to capitalize "president" and "vice president" on every occasion. The same rules usually apply there unless it's the full title of the office like "President of the Twelve Colonies"-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: All true. By the way, I'd like to get rid of the "Junior Grade"/"Senior Grade" stuff and simply go with "Junior Lieutenant" and "Senior Lieutenant", since this is what they identify these ranks by behind the scenes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::On screen both are used though (though in props mostly junior lieutenant). They seem to exist side by side. There is a footnote about it, actually (#7). Maybe that could be changed to make it clearer, or switched around. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The only real mentions of "Lieutenant Junior Grade" are in the Miniseries, and that was quickly dropped, along with a few other things that didn't quite work from the miniseries. (Such as the "Blade Runner" guns from the Miniseries, which weren't built to last anyway and were just poorly designed.) But I see your point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Initial new information ==<br />
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This is by no means the complete list of ranks, but it's based off the pin-ordering sheet I have in front of me. (No, I can't scan it. Sorry.)<br />
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From highest to lowest (these are the "green fill" verisons):<br />
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* Crew Master Chief<br />
* Crew Senior Chief (this is what Tyrol wears before his demotion for being an ass)<br />
* Sergeant 1st Class (basically the Junior Lieutenant, except the fill is green, not gold).<br />
* Crew Sergeant (like crew specialist, but has another border—with no breaks—between the outside border and the diamond)<br />
* Crew Specialist <br />
* Crewman (which is the same pin as the "Private" that Jaffee wears)<br />
* Crewman Apprentice <br />
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The gold versions:<br />
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* Commander<br />
* Colonel<br />
* Warrant Officer (worn by those in the beige BDUs, it's similar to the Crew Master Chief, itself a cross between the Lt. Col and Crew Senior Chief pips)<br />
* Lt. Colonel (these are the pins that Dualla was wearing in "LDYB" Pt. II<br />
* Major<br />
* Captain<br />
* Senior Lieutenant<br />
* Junior Lieutenant<br />
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As we've already determined earlier, the "ensign" rank pin does not exist.<br />
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I'm working on finding about the Admiral pins. <br />
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Also, an interesting story about the flight wings that the pilots wear... the symbols in the middle resemble the Captain's rank pins. There's a reason for this. The pins were also supposed to echo the rank of the wearer, but this idea was abandoned during the production. I don't know why, but I'll lay my money on the fact that it had to do with cost. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:That actually fits pretty well with the current structure (aside from the names), but some of the enlisted ranks as they are now have been established in dialogue. For example, Dualla is called petty officer second class by Billy, and I think Tyrol is identified as chief petty officer as well. The term "petty officer" in general is also mentioned (for example by Adama when he demotes Tyrol). So that would screw things up a bit.<br />
:As for warrant officer. Not everyone in beige BDUs can be a WO. Some of the Marines who have been identified with other ranks wear them as well, most notably Hadrian. It would probably be more accurate to say that in practice all WOs wear beige. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::The warrant-officers-in-khaki thing has always left me scratching my head ... why single out warrant officers with a different style uniform, but have the officers and enlisted wear the same color fatigues? For comparison's sake, in the US Navy, ranks of chief petty officer and above wear khaki service uniforms like officers (hence the term "khaki leadership"), making it easy to make the "chiefs-vs-indians" distinction in a crowd. Maybe it was easier (and cheaper) to "ret-con" the khakis as warrant officer uniforms and kind of sneak by on the collar insignia (which had little chance with a crowd like this :-)), rather than go through the cost and time of developing new insignia.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::There's that too, but it's fiction, so why not? But the other other points that speak against being all khakis = WOs. For example that the uniform is used a lot (there shouldn't be that many WOs from what I understand), is also used by Marine Sergeants (and others) and also worn by a lot of young crewmen. Warrant officers should generally be a bit older I think. It might have been thought of that way, but I don't think the wardrobe department really adheres to it closely. Not that I blame them. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I don't know, this list is a little confusing, it seems like it's a combination of marine and fleet ranks. When you get a chance Joe, I'd like to say a side by side break down of rank equivalents, I have some other questions regarding this list but I'll hold them because I think a side-by-side might answer them. Particularly because some of Joe's comments seem to contradict what we have known up to know.<br />
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I'm sure you guys have all seen the graphical rank guide put out by somebody (I can't remember the name of the top of my head but I'd be interested both to see the next update and how the new information jibes with the current version. Does anybody know how to contact this guy?-- [[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 15:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::You might be referring to Jim Stevenson's article on galactica.tv: http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/the-history-of-the-rank-insignia-chart-for-battlestar-galactica-2003.html<br />
::IMO, I think his observations and analysis are about as speculative as the discussion in this wiki.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Fred, RDM and co. are following their own conventions; they don't have to mirror real-world conventions, at all, despite the wishes of some. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm just saying ... have there been any references, on-screen or in production notes, of "sr-lieutenant"? Lieutenant and jr-lieutenant have been used in scripts and on props to-date, as far as I know ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yes, numerous times. Where, pray tell, do you think I got the above list? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So any idea about the enlisted ranks that are missing but have been mentioned in ''dialogue'' (most notably "petty officer second class"). "Specialist" has been mentioned numerous times and is on the list, but PO2 is not on it. If that can't be resolved, it's not really much better than what we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I realize that Stevenson's model is just as much speculation as ours but I thought it might be helpful to coordinate with him so we can get a consistent image for the new rank insignia's we know know as well as give proposals for ranks that are now known to exist but for which ranks haven't been developed. Right now the Lt. Col. image sticks out because it doesn't show the fringes colors like all the officers I have a version from his sheet that shows it only with white fringe, (at the time it had only been seen worn by Dualla). Also I think now that we know the the insignia for Apprentice/Private First Class, its easy to conclude that their is indeed an insignia for recruit/private because without one, the trend from Apprentice/PFC to Specialist/Corporal to PO2/Sergeant doesn't make sense.<br />
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While I'm at it I'd like to propose a new tentative ranks structure based on what new information we now have. Of course this is subject to change when Joe gets more info but I want to run what I've got by all of you and see if I'm missing something or have something confused.<br />
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*Flag Officer<br />
**Admiral<br />
**Rear Admiral<br />
*Senior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Commander<br />
**Colonel<br />
**Lieutenant Colonel<br />
*Junior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Major<br />
**Captain<br />
**Senior Lieutenant<br />
**Junior Lieutenant<br />
**Ensign<br />
*Senior Enlisted (Non-Commissioned Officer)<br />
**Master Chief Petty Officer/Sergeant-Major<br />
**Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant<br />
**Chief Petty Officer/Gunnery Sergeant<br />
**Petty Officer First Class/Sergeant First Class<br />
**Petty Officer Second Class/Sergeant<br />
*Junior Enlisted<br />
**Specialist/Corporal<br />
**Apprentice/Private First Class<br />
**Recruit/Private<br />
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Also, I want to clarify two things with Joe: First, it appears from something you wrote above that you believe Tyrol was a Senior Chief Petty Officer instead of just plain Chief. Is that true? Second, are there supposed to be separate rank insignia for warrant officers or are they supposed to be simply identified by their uniform color.<br />
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Finally I'm kinda wondering if there are multiple grades of warrant officer like their are in the U.S. military.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I need to make something a bit clear here. Firstly, the costuming / props department has not made a new rank for every single specialist (whether that be SP1, SP2, SP3). Figurski wears the same pins that Cally does, for instance. Also, with regard to the Lt. Col. pins, one of the judges (the African one) from "Crossroads" wears these pins on his own uniform, though is not part of the Col. Military. So... when it comes to the accouterments of b.g. officers, they're not really anal about it. And speaking of the Lt. Col pins, there's at least one or two offers in the blue BDUs that wear them, simply because they're not enough pins to go around. (Or not enough on the truck, or whatever.) <br />
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: As for Tyrol, since there are other petty officers aboard (i.e. [[Basim]] and [[Peter Laird]]), it would make the most sense. In any event, he wears the pins.<br />
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: For the ranking system itself... it wasn't meant to be overly analyzed like what we're doing. As RDM indicated, it is derived from TOS—which I personally believe to be a serious mistake—so it was already FUBARed from the start. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Just a nitpick and tidbit to chew on, take it for what it's worth ... there is no such thing as Sergeant First Class in the Marine Corps. If you're aiming to align with PO1, that would be Staff Sergeant (SSG). The only sergeant ranks I can recall from dialogue in the episodes (not including credits, to which I never really paid attention) are the generic "sergeant" and "gunny", so conceivable room to justify SFC rather than SSG (which is an army equivalent of gunny & CPO). Such are the hazards of trying to maintain something resembling "canon" with a combination of speculation, extrapolation, and a writing staff that introduces contradictions and revisions, not to mentioning costuming (lol for effect) ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 21:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Ugh, my use of the word "canon" gave me spine shivers, I hope things don't devolve into something "Richard Arnold"-esque (a ''Star Trek'' fandom spectactle/controversy/train-wreck, for those not familiar with the name ...)!-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 22:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== References ==<br />
The references currently aren't showing up. I've checked the page in K-Meleon and IE6. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I tried it in IE7 and it doesn't work when I'm logged out. Logging in will display the references. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Frak. I'll try to fix that tonight. I think we may just need to update the extension... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Recent Updates ==<br />
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As the freeze period has expired I decided to make some updates which I thought seemed appropriate. In the interest of avoiding another edit war I'd like to elaborate a little on those changes which I think are most likely to be controversial.<br />
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*I have once again removed the rank of Vice Admiral, I know this has been a sore point between me and some others but with lieutenant colonel, their are now ten confirmed officer ranks which already is starting to make the rank structure pretty top heavy especially given that in the U.S. Military there are usually ten officer ranks and nine enlisted ranks. Currently we have ten confirmed officer ranks and only seven confirmed enlisted ranks (eight if you include senior chief petty officer which hasn't been proven). I think it highly unlikely that there would be such a discrepency in the number of ranks between the two corps (officers v. enlisted). I have left senior chief petty officer because I think it is at least possible that such a rank may exist, although I am by no means sold on it..<br />
*As for the Marine Ranks: The ranks of private, private first class, and sergeant major have already been established both as ranks and as to their position in the rank structure. In addition, the ranks of Corporal, Sergeant and Gunnery Sergeant have been established as existing but their place in the structure hasn't been definitively established. To fill out the gap between sergeant and gunnery sergeant (as well as to confirm the places of the other ranks that are as of yet unconfirmed as to position, I have relied on Joe's post indicating a partial rank listing. In that posting he mentions both sergeant and sergeant first class as distinct ranks and also notes that sergeant first class shares the same insignia as petty officer first class. If we assume that this information is correct we then have enough information to definitively name and place all the marine enlisted ranks. That is how I have derived the current structure.<br />
*I also have removed marine "lieutenant" Terry Burrell from the officer example list since, as was already indicated on the page in a footnote, his place in the rank structure is not definitively known.<br />
*As noted in the footnotes, the reason for my changing the rank of deckhand also is derived from Joe's post. It's also partly inspired by my own personal belief that deckhand doesn't really sound like a rank. However as their is generally hostility to changes based only on personal inclinations (and perhaps rightly so), I have only changed it now based on the new information provided by Joe.<br />
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I also have a couple questions:<br />
*How is that some you are able to include brief comments in your history logs?<br />
*How does one upload pictures? I have a better version (though still not consistent with the others for the crewman/private first class insignia but I don't know how to post it.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 17:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I think the serious mistake here is the mistake we made in earlier versions of this article. That mistake was to try to mirror or associate Colonial Military ranks to US (and other real-world) military ranks; obviously, since the Original Series rank structure was FUBARed to begin with, there could be no clear real-life association to be made. So, yes, it may be top heavy... but we're here to report, not to make up facts or fanwank to explain things, which is what I'm starting to see here a bit, particularly with the brevet ranking notes.<br />
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: Regarding your questions, the "summary" line in the editing form is where we note the brief comments in the history logs. To upload files, you need to go to the [[md:|Media Repository]] to upload your files. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Yeah, the deckhand thing makes sense. That always seemed a weird choice for a rank, as it also refers to mechanics and the like in general. As for Dualla's rank in LDYB. The simplest thing is to leave it at lieutenant and consider it a costuming mishap. It's the first time she appeared in an officer's uniform, which may explain it. The explanation about a brevet promotion may appear logical, but from what I can tell, the writers don't put that much thought into such trivial details. Every comment about Lee Adama, for example, makes it sound like they consider it to be a normal promotion. And his demotion to major is actually referred to explicitly in a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd-KJ2Jscko deleted scene] in "Collaborators", even if it's a bit jokingly. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Updated Rank Chart based off of format established by Jim Stevenson ==<br />
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I'm sure all of you by now has seen the rank guide created by Jim Stevenson, in fact I'm pretty sure that's where almost all of the rank device images on the page come from. Anyway it's been a year and a half since he last updated it and there have been several major updates, so I went ahead and updated it might self. Would there be a problem with me posting it, and if so would people have a problem with me posting it in lieu of the current chart?<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 21:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You should definitely ask him if he's ok with you updating and reworking it. He hasn't worked on it for some time, but it's still his design. This page credits him, but I also asked if I could cut the chart up like this. And actually creating a new version is another thing entirely. He might be fine with it, but you should ask.<br />
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:As for the change I made to your recent edits. That wasn't about the content, so much as the style. We already have an entire page of footnotes and such extensive notes aren't good to read IMO. Yeah, I've seen legal documents with one page for ''one'' footnote, but that doesn't mean it's such a good idea. Most of it is necessary here, but the stuff you added was very self-argumentative and could be shortened a lot. Basically it says that it's unclear why the decision was made, that there may be one or two in-universe reasons, but that there are also real-world reasons like an error or production realities. That's perfectly fine, but it's possible to say that in one or two sentences without adding five footnotes, that were frankly hard to read the way they were worded and structured. It took me a while to get what the actual argument was, and then I realized that a lot of it didn't really add to the point made, but just hid it behind verbosity. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I would have asked him directly but I have no way of contacting him. Also I apologize for the "verbosity," I have a very flowery writing style and to be quite honest couldn't simply anything to save my life, if anybody would like to try to do that I welcome the assistance. However I do reserve the right to reinsert something if I believe something of value has been cut.[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 14:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::With the upcoming auction of BSG props, wouldn't now be an opportune time to replace the rank illustrations with images of actual production insignia? It would also be interesting to see the insignia used on the tan warrant officer uniforms - even if there is an inconsistency, it's something footnotable and worthy of interest.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 08:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::If they're ''high quality'' pictures sure. I decided to use those illustrations in the absence of any detailed references and screencaps. The recently added real pictures are still of pretty low quality. They are a nice complement, but can't really replace the drawings IMO. But if we can get nice photos of all pins, sure. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes, that's why the gallery of pin photos was added, instead of replacing the graphics. Jim's graphics had some inaccuracies that had to be corrected, such as plain "starbursts" w/o the Colonial emblem for the rank lieutenant colonel. The ranks of warrant officer and crew sergeant were missing and had to be "cooked up". Also, replacing the table would have removed the collar piping illustrations, which would have thrown off the text references in the article.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 22:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Additional footnote for Lieutenant Colonel insignia ==<br />
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Would it make sense to add an additional bullet to the footnote mentioning that this insignia has been used on warrant officer uniforms? It appears to be the case from pictures in the BSG auction catalog.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 10:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
: You mean the Warrant Officer's pin, right? Since that was the one mainly used on the tan BDU (with the exception of Sgt. [[Hadrian]]). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Is there a distinct warrant officer's pin? The ones on the tan BDU's looked like the Lt Col Fisk/Dualla insignia.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 18:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, it's basically the same pin as the Lt. Colonel, but with the smaller diamond plates on the sides... very much like the collar dogs that Chief wears, except gold and silver. There's a picture of it in the catalog in the pin collection... the lot # escapes me right now, but a quick search of the PDF (or of the catalog on Auction Network) will pull that up in a jiffy. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: Yeah, the side lozenges are closer-in than the Chief's pin, easy to go unnoticed without a dialogue closeup shot (or in auction catalog full-length tan costume illustration) :-)-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 03:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Lance Corporal ==<br />
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Another wrench thrown into the works perhaps (Lance Corporal Maldonaldo)? It doesn't help that he wore the black tactical uniform without rank insignia. -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 07:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Yeah I noticed that to, I'm inclined to chalk it up as an error on the part of the writing staff. None of the production materials we've seen to date recognize the existance of that rank. If such information is forthcoming I think that time would the appropriate time to add it to the chart. Until then, I think it best to leave it out.<br />
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 14:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=169210Military Ranks (RDM)2008-12-05T06:36:48Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
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This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
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The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
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The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
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{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialog, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]," but since the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant" that is the term that we have used. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Master Sergeant<ref>'''Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant''': The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources, and are therefore subject to debate.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign Rank Device''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief Petty Officer/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been seen on screen, the design is based on information from inside sources regarding the device.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer grey piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Additional Images==<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=169209Military Ranks (RDM)2008-12-05T06:35:43Z<p>Grandmaester314: That photo doesn't really show Fisk's insignia and so doesn't really belong here</p>
<hr />
<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
__TOC__<br />
== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialog, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]," but since the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant" that is the term that we have used. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Master Sergeant<ref>'''Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant''': The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources, and are therefore subject to debate.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief Petty Officer/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been seen on screen, the design is based on information from inside sources regarding the device.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer grey piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Additional Images==<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=169208Military Ranks (RDM)2008-12-05T06:32:25Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
<hr />
<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
__TOC__<br />
== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. For example in [[:Image:Lt col fisk ref photo from 401-402.jpg|this photo]]. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialog, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]," but since the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant" that is the term that we have used. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Master Sergeant<ref>'''Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant''': The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources, and are therefore subject to debate.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MCPOPin.JPG]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Master Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Sergeant Major (CMC)'''<ref>'''Master Chief Petty Officer/Sergeant Major Rank Device''': The rank device for master chief petty officer/sergeant major has never been seen on screen, the design is based on information from inside sources regarding the device.</ref><br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CrewmanPin.JPG]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer grey piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Additional Images==<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=169207Military Ranks (RDM)2008-12-05T06:01:12Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. For example in [[:Image:Lt col fisk ref photo from 401-402.jpg|this photo]]. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that lieutenant colonel and colonel share the same colors. This is unusual in that all other senior officers' uniforms have a distinctive piping, but can be explained by their potentially similar duties. However, this may - like the use of some rank insignia - be a production necessity: It was far easier to use the actor's existing uniform than create a new one.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref>After her promotion to major in "[[Razor]]", Shaw wears a colonel's uniform. This may have an intentional decision to denote her position as ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s XO, or just a costuming error.</ref>, [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialog, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]," but since the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant" that is the term that we have used. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Master Sergeant<ref>'''Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant''': The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources, and are therefore subject to debate.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
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==Insignia==<br />
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{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
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|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:Private pins.jpg|100px]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
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|}<br />
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These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
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Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer grey piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
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==Additional Images==<br />
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<gallery><br />
Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
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==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
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==External Links==<br />
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[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr.&diff=168892User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.2008-11-05T13:55:28Z<p>Grandmaester314: /* Question Regarding BSG Forum Administration */ new section</p>
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== Help me Joe B Kenobi, you're my only hope :D ==<br />
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Joe, <br />
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Firstly i'd like to congratulate you on a top notch job on Battlestar wiki. It never dissapoints and it looks super slick. stupidly enough, i've left it until very recently to actually register, as opposed to just visiting all the time. I'd like to thank you for taking time to read this also and I hope I have not wasted your time by the end of the post.<br />
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Basically, I need you help. I am re-creating the BSG seal that sits nicely above the CiC door. I am making it out of wood and all the pieces you see on it are all individually shaped, sprayed, and then assembled. creating the pieces, eg. the caprican crest in the centre are not hard to make. the proplem is the colours used for the paint. I cannot get an accurate reading from a picture of the real thing and most other pictures have a light shining down on it and distorts the colour. <br />
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would you, or any of your colleagues know where I could find out the colour chart? it would be greatly appreciated. I am creating it for use in my own home. something to spruce the place up a bit.<br />
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Thanks again for taking time out and once again, I hope I did not waste your time as I realise this might a very unorthodox post.<br />
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Sincerely<br />
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Nick "Joker" Lawless<br />
Galway<br />
Ireland<br />
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: Joker, I've replied to you on the Battlestar Forum, and it's certainly ''not'' a waste of my time. Basically, I can probably snag a color chart from the department crew when I'm in Vancouver for the research and cataloging we're doing for the [http://www.battlestarprops.com Battlestar Galactica Props & Costumes Auction]. I can't tell you when exactly I'll be able to get that information to you, but we do plan on interviewing people from the show for the Battlestar Props website, and we do have access to the crew up there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Razor script ==<br />
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I sent you an e-mail before I saw you say that you preferred being contacted here.<br />
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It mentioned in the Helena Cain sources that you read the script for Razor. Where'd you read it? -- [[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 21:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, I've already e-mailed you back. :D (I've readded your comments here, since people may have the same question you do... :-) )<br />
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: However, for people who may have the same question on their minds... I am the research assistant for PropWorx's Battlestar Galactica auction, and as such I have access to the production materials (scripts, reference photos, art, etc.) for the show to aid in research. I can't make copies of the scripts available online, since the WGA and the production company would have my head, and will never give me permission to do so. Hence my "on this date, Joe read that this character comes from this place..." notes in the sources pages. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Protecting the Ranks Page ==<br />
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I read your comment and wanted to ask if you even looked at the reasoning behind my changes. I'm glad to know somebody is here who actually has reliable information because admittedly a lot of what I've got is based on speculation. However as I commented to Serenity, I think it unfair that he constantly reverses all my changes without even looking at them (this isn't the only page I've battled with him over) and I feel like you just did the same thing. If you are going to lock it ok but at least look at the two conflicting versions and decide which parts of each should go up in the interim, because they way it is now, it's simply not fair. I believe some of my changes warrant being up there now such as my removal of ranks for which their is no support at all (Vice Admiral and Senior Chief Petty Officer) and the addition of certain people to the rank lists. I have felt from the time I joined like I couldn't do anything, any changes I made were promptly undone and I felt like if I complained I'd get booted out entirely since he is an administrator, if you want a truely open community everybody has to feel like they can participate and to tell you the truth, I have not felt that way at all. I know you don't want me to take it personally, but if you were in my position, wouldn't you?<br />
: A couple things... I understand where you're coming from. I do see that Serenity contacted you earlier this month via your talk page, explaining his reasons why he reverted your changes when you joined. (You're fear of retribution for offering criticism or complaint is unwarranted, and something you projected upon yourself; simply put, you didn't know either way, but assumed the worst. We can't control that. Fact of the matter is that you didn't respond to him the first time.) That being said, I will ask you this: what would you have done if our roles were reversed?<br />
: As for the issue of reviewing your edits, I did review them. you did make massive changes that were incorrect both factually and aesthetically. There actually is a "senior chief petty officer" rank, for instance, and there is logic behind there being a "vice admiral" rank (or similar, it may be called "senior admiral"), since it's been established that there's a "rear admiral". Further, there was absolutely no need for the "Razor, Part I" and "Razor, Part II" designations you've assigned, since "Razor" is one whole episode. (It has two production numbers for budgetary reasons, since they had to rebuild the sets for "Pegasus" after they'd been struck after Season 3. The production team members I've talked to considers that outing an interesting experience.) Not to mention the capitalization issues that you've added back in—it is bad form to capitalize ranks or titles, unless you're referring to a specific person when doing so, like Commander Adama or Admiral Cain.<br />
: Further, as I noted on Serenity's talk page, I am fully cognizant of the fact that editing the contested article now would be a waste of time and resources for both parties concerned, simply because there is new information available to us that needs to be entered, information that I have access to. Once I get the opportunity to add that data from the reference materials I have, then I'll open it up again, and then both sides can make the determination on whether or not this issue was really worth all the hassle. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Military Ranks ==<br />
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Just a few concluding remarks I don't blame you for what you did, where I in your position I would have done the same thing. The reason I didn't respond to Serenity's first post was because until yesterday I had been unable to figure out how. As far as fear of retribution, I've never really been involved with a wiki before so I wasn't really sure what to expect and was kind of intimidated. I appreciate you're addressing my issues. Not only did it help me understand why things were happening the way they were, but it also made me feel like my input was welcome and that was all I was asking for. I am anxious to see any clarification you can offer in the weeks ahead because I find this a rather fascinating topic.<br />
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Thanks again for the clarification. {{unsigned|Grandmaester314}}<br />
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==MKI Viper in S4E1==<br />
Joe,<br />
It took me several views before I noticed that there was one there. In S4E1: He That Believeth In Me, at about 4:30, look at the Viper behind Tyrol when he yells 'Get that showboat bird in the tubes!'. You can see that it's the older style by the square wing, instead of the more triangular ones on the newer versions. I only noticed it when my computer happened to freeze at that exact moment-I saw it, and thought 'Hey, that's the MKI from the miniseries!' <br />
That's the only other time I've ever seen it, I never shows up in the battle, it just looks like another cool little reference to the original series. {{unsigned|Marauder Pilot}}<br />
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:I don't see it. If you mean the one in the foreground, that's clearly a Mark II engine-wise. You can't even the see´forward edge of the wing because some deckhands are standing in front of it. The one in the background is a Mark II as well. And then he walks by a Mark VII on the right. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Referencing the available production materials (script and photos), as well as footage from the screen, it's a Mark II. Not a Mark I. They don't have a standing Mark I Viper anyway, just Mark IIs and Mark VIIs. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yeah, that's what I thought. Would have surprised me. It might ''theoretically'' be one of the planes in the CGI set extension, but that's somewhat unlikely as well. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Question Regarding BSG Forum Administration ==<br />
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I'm just curious why we have to log into the media section separately, particularly seeing as we have the same login for the main forum and the media page. Please excuse my ignorance.<br />
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 13:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Saul_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=168697Talk:Saul Tigh/Archive 12008-10-25T14:40:39Z<p>Grandmaester314: /* Tigh a cylon? Really? */ new section</p>
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<div>==Age?==<br />
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The profile states that he is in his "50s" and the article says that he is <br />
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:"A veteran in his mid-40s to early 50s"<br />
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In the commentary for ''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'', [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]] states that [[William Adama|Adama]] is younger than Tigh, and in addition to this, the fact that the [[Cylon War]] took place 40 years ago would obviously mean that he's <i>probably</i> not in his 50s, and <i>definitely</i> not in his mid-40s. Unless someone can argue against it, I'm changing these portions of the article. --[[User:Palpatine|Palpatine]] 22:26, 26 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:We're probalby going to get around to removing age information from most of the character articles soon. See [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:31, 27 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::Even after completely discounting Adama's supposed age of 61 as a reference point, it's still reasonable to assume that both of them are in their 60s, due to reasons I already went into. --[[User:Palpatine|Palpatine]] 23:49, 27 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::Well. Remember that the war lasted for about 12 years (the Articles of Colonization were signed 52 years ago, which Moore [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 says] is coincident with the outbreak of hostilities, the war explicitly ended 40 years ago). If we guess that the age to enlist in the colonial military is 18, and Adama enlisted at the start, that would make him at most 70. If Tigh enlisted in the war's last year, that would make him at least 58.<br />
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:::Beyond that, I'm not sure what we can say with much certainty. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:26, 28 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::: It might be asserted that joinin' age is lower in the Colonies. Is it not 16 in some European nations? I could be wrong. Of course, heck, the lifespans of Colonials could be vastly different from ours. They drive space ships routinely. They have FLT drives. Surely they have some medical technologies that we don't. Maybe they just live longer. This has no basis whatsoever on anything seen on screen, but it's possible, which means that any guesses we make of age based on the actors' appearences is fairly irrelevant. Of course... 70 would be about right for retiring, wouldn't it? But if Tigh is older, why hadn't he retired already? Or was Adama getting an early retirement? In which case, is 70 an ''early'' retirement? That might speak to Colonial life expectancy. Anyway... most of that is just rambling. --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:23, 28 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Colonial military age is up to debate as Day stated, but we don't have to guess about when Adama joined the military. Moore also said in the same commentary I already referenced that he joined as a pilot in the last days of the war, which we <i>can</i> say with certainty was approximately 40 years ago. Tigh was also specifically said to have been slightly older than, and had seen more combat than Adama. Adding all of this together, we still come to the conclusion that both of them are most likely in their 60s. 10 years is a pretty safe margin of error. --[[User:Palpatine|Palpatine]] 02:09, 29 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::::I'll have to double check that. It seems odd for Saul to refer to Bill as "the old man" if he's not at least a few years younger. Another interesting question - in our military, there's usually a provision for forced retirement if you get passed over for promotion for enough years. Does anyone know more about that? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:41, 29 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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My main problem with age (per recent edits) is the lack of consistency between bios. We may be able to get Tigh's down to within a few years, but it's still awfully sloppy, and other pages aren't much better. My edits were based on this thread (now that Peter located it for me). But let consensus rule...calculating ages aren't my specialty. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:27, 20 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:How long is a colonial year anyway? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 20 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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:: Same as an Earth year. See [[Timeline (RDM)#Notes]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:31, 20 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Rating==<br />
According to a deleted scene on the season 2 dvds, Tigh was a petty officer, an assistant gunner's mate, and still a teenager when his ship got boarded. This took place very early in the war and Tigh was still a teenager (more like Cally in age than Tyrol). Also, in the last week of the war, Adama was serving on the Galactica when it was boarded and the Cylons used the same tactics as in Valley of Darkness. Adama told Tigh what happened over a drink and this is how Tigh knew what was happening. In the boarding he was in, he was assigned to guard the ship's magazines. I'll add stuff to the main page later, just wanted to get y'alls opinion on this. It's late.--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 00:53, 27 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:Ricimer and I had an extended conversation about this on [[Talk:Cylon War]] which you may wish to refer to. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:22, 27 December 2005 (EST)<br />
::Thanks, I had missed that. It was just something I noticed while watching my new dvds yesterday. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:38, 27 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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== Picture? ==<br />
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I'm all for changing the pictures in the template to the promotional thing if the one we had was only so-so, but I really liked Tigh's picture, so... Why go and change them systematically? Anyone else find this somewhat rash? --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:27, 28 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:I changed the character bio photo for consistency with many of the character bios elsewhere that started to use their promo pics. This was completely arbitrary, so if the collective says to use another picture, please do so. I think I was also trying to save it from the Island of Misfit Images, I think. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:01, 23 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::One of them will be a misfit either way (unless we find a place for the other). But I appreciate people looking at and adopting images though... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:19, 23 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::: I think consistancy is well and good, but I think consistantly cool photos are better than consistantly "promo" photos. And if we decided to use promo stuff, we'd have to be inconsistant for the more minor characters. --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:17, 24 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::I concur. Consistantly cool is better than consistantly "promo". Although, in the name of consistancy I wonder if it might be a good idea to establish guidelines on the type of shots we're looking for (on the character project maybe?). Personally, I look for a good 8x10 head and shoulders shot that's at least two hundred pixels wide, that doesn't have any other characters significantly in the shot (to avoid confusion). While a promo standard could be established ("use the promo shot if you've got it"), I think the show is capable of producing shots that are more representative of "the character", and cooler. Also, a character shot that illustrates/represents something in the bio or description might have more value than "actor posing for a promo shot". The promo shots can look a look a lot more polished sometimes, but with the advent of the DVD release and some of the high-resolution captures that are taken today, I think they may be obsolete. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:53, 24 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Images ==<br />
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I feel like we may be going a bit over-board on the number of pics on this page. I've a high-speed connection, but I don't want to alienate dial-up users and I don't want to angery any lawyers by skirting too close to "fair use". If I had to get rid of one, I'd say delete the (very dark) pic near the top with the "If the crew doesn't hate the XO..." quote. It's not a very quality shot.<br />
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Secondarily, I feel like the shot of Boomer and Tigh under "Tigh in Command" is huge. It also appears on the [[Scattered]] page, I think it should be replaced with the much-less-tall [[:image:Scattered-Tigh.jpg]]. Now, I may be a bit biased towards that one because I uploaded it, but I also think it displays wonderfully Tigh's overwhelmed feeling upon taking command. What do others think? --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:02, 20 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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*I think someone needs to get a screencap in [[Scar]] when Tigh has a really stupid grin on his face while Lt. Thrace walks up to Kat near the end. I might do it when I have a chance, but I don't feel like it right now.--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 02:25, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Occupation and Resistance ==<br />
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Since we will probably be adding this section to a lot of characters, is "Occupation and Resistance" OK? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:13, 6 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
: I find this acceptable. What does everyone else have to say? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 18:21, 6 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
::Sounds good to me. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:31, 6 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Call Sign ==<br />
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I don't know if it is just being skipped over or because it has never been mentioned, but since he did have a run as a Viper Pilot there seems to be no call sign for it. Does anyone know if there is information available as to his call sign? I question this because he is the only person known as a viper pilot who does not have their call sign name. I would recommend that it be added in the sub-profile "Call Sign: Unknown." Even Admiral Adama has his displayed. Thoughts? --[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 15:55, 11 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
: AJ, in response to your question, Tigh's call sign has never been mentioned. So we haven't added it. As for saying "Call Sign:Unknown" in the data box, we don't fill out forms in the databox with things such as unknown. If it is unknown, then the field is left blank and therefore undefined, so as to not clutter the infobox with "unknown"s for things we don't know about. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:08, 11 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
::Perhpas we should add this to the [[BW:OC]] page? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 05:08, 27 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Rank ==<br />
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Clearly he is a Colonel while serving aboard the Galactica. I wonder, however, if he should not have been promoted to General at the after the murder of Fisk (Pegasus Commander who took over after Adm Cain). I am a little fuzzy as to the exact ranking structure for the marines. However, if Tigh is Colonel over the marines on the Galactica and there is no Colonel on the Pegasus does it not make the most sense that he would be promoted to General in the same way that Adama was promoted to Admiral? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 00:09, 27 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:The rank structure in Galactica is not the same as modern day militaries. "Colonel" is a rank in the fleet, roughly analogous to Captain in the US Navy. The rank structure in BSG has naval and army/airforce ranks mixed in. See [[Military Ranks (RDM)]] for further info. So, in short, no- Tigh should not have been promoted to "General", since that's not a rank in the BSG universe. "Colonel" is the rank generally held by a ship's Executive Officer. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 05:06, 27 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:: This makes much more sense. My only remaining questions is why was Lee Adama only a major when Adm Adama placed him on the Pegasus? Should not his position be Col for the role he was playing? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 12:44, 27 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:::Lee he wasn't XO in "The Captain's Hand". He was only sent there to look after Garner and the rest of the crew, but he was never referred to as XO. Garner even told him that he isn't really part of the crew, and there is a deleted scene where Tigh asks Adama if he is still thinking about making Lee XO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:01, 27 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:::Not necessarily. Even today, a vessel's master does not need to hold the rank of "Captain" (though he or she will still be called that). By the same token, an Executive Officer does not ''need'' to be a Colonel. Think of it this way- most XO's in today's navies hold the rank of Commander or equivalent, while the CO is a Captain. However, this is not set in stone. A CO may be a Lieutenant Commander, and their XO a Lieutenant. The reason I said that the XO was generally a Colonel is because we've seen two XO's on screen who both held the rank- that doesn't mean that every XO in the Fleet is a Colonel. Does that make sense? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:54, 27 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::The XO and Commander could even be the same rank, position keeping the chain of command intact. I've seen aircraft carriers where both the Captain and XO are O-6 Captains. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 15:34, 27 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:As above. Tigh isn't a Marine just because he has a modern Army/Marine rank. He's in Colonial Fleet like Adama, wears a CF uniform and the next rank for him would be Commander. For NCOs and enlisted the Marines use the same ranks as today. The excact structure of their officer ranks is unknown.--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:25, 27 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Ol' One-Eye ==<br />
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I'm wondering if we should make mention of the fact that Tigh's been maimed by the Cylons during his time in captivity so that he only has one eye now. This is, of course, assuming that it's true and that it's not "just something" he told Tyrol and Anders to get them going.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 02:00, 9 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:Speaking of Tigh's eye, should there be a reference to the Germanic/Norse god Wotan/Woden? I really know very little about mythology, but I read that this god sacrificed his eye so that he could gain wisdom. Fitting? Ironic? Irrelevant? --[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 19:14, 2 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== New image ==<br />
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Should [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000kp3hg/g248 this] be made the new image, now that Tigh is ol' one-eye? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 17:07, 30 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:I think, given how we can find HD caps for most of the season now, that we should perhaps try and find an image of Tigh in which he looks a bit more composed and with his formal eye-patch and all. If at least so that he looks more respectable and a little less like a one-eyed drunk. Promos for next season will probably have him updated with all the new features he got this last season, but until then I would propose we search for a good and composed Eye-Patched Tigh. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:06, 18 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I agree. One possibility is when he returns to duty in "[[The Passage]]". He looks really respectable and formal there. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:16, 18 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I found one that I really liked, and placed it there, if at least to replace the other one in the meantime, but I'll keep an eye (no pun) out for more, especially if I find HD caps for the finale, since that had it's fair share of Tigh-Moments. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:36, 18 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Position ==<br />
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I think someone is jumping the gun a little here. Helo is still the First officer of Galactica, as far as I know, yet the table claims Tigh is the current first officer. Is he and if so when was he reinstated--[[User:Ireboi|Ireboi]] 07:35, 5 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Outdated ==<br />
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This article is severely outdated; it seems it hasn't been updated since "[[The Passage]]", save for one small addition today from "[[Maelstrom]]". Someone should add stuff from "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]" through "[[Crossroads, Part I]]". (Before you start asking why I'm not volunteering, it's 22:30 over here and I noticed the incompleteness of this article on my evening pass.) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:27, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
: I imagine that the article would be updated after the end of the season, after which we'll have to go through and concise all the major character articles anyway. (see [[BW:TANK|The think tank for more.]]) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 17:05, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
::True. My point was more that this article has more backlog than most of the bios, which are updated after every episode. Of course this is a season break job, but I wanted to point out that this article has serious backlog, more so than most of the other articles. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:24, 22 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Info from miniseries deleted scene ==<br />
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Should we include this material so prominently in the main article?<br />
:''He is supposedly a third-generation Colonial soldier. His alledged father was a decorated fighter pilot killed in combat and his grandfather served under President Mueller. According to Billy Keikeya, Tigh was a published military historian until personal problems became apparent (Miniseries, deleted scene).''<br />
Since Tigh is a Cylon, the father/grandfather information is false (or at least not what it appears to be). Also, Tigh's interest in military history seems to have been retconned out of the show post-miniseries, just as Adama's father was retconned to being a civil liberties lawyer despite a miniseries deleted scene that implied he was a military man.<br />
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Could we move this paragraph to the "notes" section instead? -[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 09:48, 18 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Yeah, that is perfect for the Notes section. We also generally treat deleted scenes as relevant until contradicted. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:39, 18 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I suggest we therefore delete [[Saul Tigh (father of)]] and [[Saul Tigh (grandfather of)]]. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 12:54, 18 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Yeah, only one page links to the grandfather article and as such the redirects don't make much sense. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:57, 18 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Colony ==<br />
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The ''Official Magazine'' (pretty low of the [[BW:CJ]] rating) lists Tigh as from Aerelon, but in [[The Woman King]] Cally talks about how virtually no officers come from the poorer colonies. Tyrol then cites Dualla as an example of an officer from one of the poorer colonies. If the XO was from Aerelon that would probably have been mentioned first. Given also Tigh's lack of the distictive Aerelon accent, I would recon that this placement isn't really valid anymore.<br />
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(of course, he's a Cylon anyway) [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:25, 8 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
: Something for the notes section, I think... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 21:24, 8 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:It's from "[[Dirty Hands]]" actually. I added a note, but we shouldn't assume that everyone has the same kind of Aerelon accent. There might still be local differences. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:32, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Sorry to dig up an old thread, but also considering his Caprican nationalism shown in [[The Woman King]] it seems rather implausible that he's from Aerelon. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 12:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Tigh a cylon? Really? ==<br />
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Unlike the other three members of the "Final Five." I find it not just unlikely, but frankly implausible that Saul Tigh is a cylon.<br />
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First of all, Tigh fought in the first Cylon War. This means he was around long before the experiments that eventually evolved into the humanoid cylons were even begun. We know this from the flashbacks in Razor where the young William Adama stumbles across a cylon research lab where human test subjects are being held captive. These scenes reveal that the experiments that ultimately led to the creation of humanoid cylons were only in their infancy at that time. In addition it would be impossible for his background story to be completely fabricated because it would be impossible to explain how so many people knew him during the first Cylon War if he hadn't existed at the time. Based on this alone, Tigh can't be a cylon unless you think that he was somehow kidnapped and replaced. This same argument would preclude William Adama's being a cylon as well.<br />
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The second reason, and the one that removes any doubt, was revealed in the last few episodes of the first half of season 4 when it was revealed that Tigh got the Number Six in Galactica's brig pregnant. It has long been established within the storyline that humanoid cylons can't procreate with other humanoid cylons, so Tigh couldn't have gotten her pregnant unless he was human. This is also why we can be certain that Cally Henderson and Karl Agathon aren't cylons, something I've yet to hear anybody dispute.<br />
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The fact that Tigh experienced the same unique sensations as the other three members of the "Final Five" could easily be explained as a result of psychological torture and manipulation endured at the hands of the cylons during his lengthy imprisonment in solitary confinement on New Caprica. It should also be pointed out, that Tigh was the only one of the four to endure imprisonment on New Caprica.<br />
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Personally, I find it hard to believe that the writing staff could have overlooked these facts so I am inclined to believe that Tigh being a cylon is a ruse designed to conceal the existence of a second as-of-yet unknown model.<br />
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My personal choices for these two are the obvious ones. Starbuck is almost certainly a cylon, it's the only way to explain her visions, the hybrid prophecy, her miraculous reappearance after the Ionian Nebula and her penchant for drawing the Eye of Jupiter when she was a kid (especially given that she didn't know what it was but was just kind of drawn to it). In addition, her poor relationship with her mother, and lack of any mention of a father makes her background story so vague and tenuous as to be the perfect cover for a cylon. Finally it would be the kind of total irony RDM seems to love that Kara Thrace is actually the very thing she loathes so much that she would shoot her own husband for being a cylon without provocation (something she told him in no uncertain terms before she found out he actually was a cylon). Granted given the obviousness, the writing staff could easily go the other way an use her as a ruse.<br />
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My second choice is Baltar, but the choice of him is just as much based on a lack of any other real candidates as it is on his own failings. While it's true that Baltar's multiple unintentional betrayals of the colonies could easily be explained by his weakness of character, vulnerability to social manipulation, and his emotional and psychological frailty; it's also just as likely that they are the result of hidden cylon programming. On a similar tack, while it's definitely possible that his constant hallucinations regarding Caprica Six are the result of multiple nervous breakdowns, it's just as likely that they too are the result of hidden cylon programming.<br />
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While I think these are the two best candidates. The case against Starbuck is definately the most compelling, so if Tigh is actually a cylon, (which, again, I don't think is possible), my bet would have to be Starbuck. That said, given RDMs penchant for leading things in one direction only to about face at the last minute and the many other inconsistencies in the storyline, the likelihood that Starbuck will be named a cylon in the end is certainly up in the air.<br />
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 14:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Valkyrie/Archive_1&diff=168695Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 12008-10-25T13:48:05Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 <br><br />
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
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It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
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Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment. <br />
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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Wait, wait, wait! In the episode, they showed a picture of the bridge crew of the Valkyrie that included Adama and Tigh. If they were simply assigned there for a single mission (and a covert one at that) they're not going to commemorate the occasion! Secondly, they wouldn't have assigned Tigh as well. The fewer people that knew about the mission, the better, plus there would be no reason to send another ship's XO. The Valkyrie is also described as Adama's last command before Galactica, which means that he was the commander of the ship, not an officer briefly assigned for a single mission. And why do you even have to ask if its a flashback? C'mon, people, its pretty obvious that it was!--Sci-fi Junkee<br />
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:Erm, note the date of this discussion. This was speculation before the episode aired. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:27, 25 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Class / Type / Dimensions ==<br />
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be &mdash; they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.<br />
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On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.<br />
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Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.<br />
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.<br />
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first &mdash; you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' &mdash; they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.<br />
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.<br />
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes &mdash; but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.<br />
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. &mdash; there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::I'm thinking that it's just a smaller battlestar, fulfilling a similar role as the Mercuries and such on smaller displacement. Many realword navies are always attempting to do this. For example, before the Burke was finalized, various lightweight versions, sacrificing engines or Aegis, or other equipment, were designed. All of them tried to mimize displacement.The Treaty-era ships from the 1920-30's aren't the best examples to use here because they had an artificial limit imposed on them by the Washington and London Naval Treaties. Frequently, improved technology requires lesser manpower. The reason ships keep getting bigger historically is that they keep adding new technology, for instance, the cause of the massive destroyer size increase after WWII is mostly due to the inclusion of Weapon Alfa, guided missiles, and a huge increase in carried electronics. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::OK, let's not make too big a deal about the size. Here's a comparison of sizes of post-WWII aircraft carrier classess that I put together from wikipedia.org organized by when they were built:<br />
CVL-48 Saipan class - 2 ships<br />
14,500 tons<br />
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CVA-58 United States class - 1 ship<br />
83,350 tons full, 68,000 tons standard<br />
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CV-59 Forrestal class - 4 ships<br />
56,300 tons<br />
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CV-63 Kitty Hawk class - 3 ships<br />
60,000 tons, 82,200 tons full load<br />
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CVN-65 Enterprise class - 1 ship<br />
approx. 93,500 tons full load<br />
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CV-67 John F. Kennedy class - 1 ship<br />
60728 tons light, 82655 tons full<br />
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CVN-68 Nimitz class - 9 ships<br />
101,000 to 104,000 tons full load<br />
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CVN-78 21st Century Aircraft Carrier Project<br />
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If we equate Galactica, an older ship, to the USS United States and the Valkyrie to Forrestal Class and Pegasus to a Nimitz class, then Galactica would be clearly larger than the Valkyrie and Pegasus would clearly be much larger than both. In the US Navy today, all these carriers have the exact same function, but vary in size by design and time. However, they are all aircraft carriers. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:29, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::[[User:Hawke|Hawke]], I don't understand where you're coming from. I never said ''Valkyrie'' wasn't a battlestar. I said that if it's smaller than ''Galactica'', then it cannot be as capable. It cannot carry the same amount of fighters because its flight pods are smaller. Its guns cannot be as large, and we know thanks to ''Pegasus'' that guns like the ones ''Galactica'' carries are still effective weapons. It will not be able to absorb as much damage due to its smaller size. I'm honestly not sure what most of your post has to do with any of that.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I think its also worth remembering that Galactica is 60 years old, and one of the first 12 Battlestars. Therefore Valkyrie must be a newer ship, which is suggested by some of its more Pegasusish design nods. Therefore yes it can quite easily be more powerful than Galactica, simply by having more modern technology. Yes Galactica will of been refitted and such and such, but refitting can only get you so far. If Galactica was able to hold its own next to newer ships it wouldn't of been about to be decommissioned when the series started. The fact is we don't know when Pegasus and Valkeryie were built, except that both most of been built post-Galactica's. That's probably also why Galactica is looked upon so harshly by Tigh. Galactica may of been in the fleet as an old relic. An old rust bucket that should of been decommissioned years ago. --[[User:CTerry|CTerry]] 18:05, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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My thought are that we could gage the scale of the Valkyrie to the Galactica and Pegasus by looking at the flightpods. The width of the "mouth" should be the same as they all support and operate the vehicles - Vipers, Raptors and shuttles. Oh and the Shadow Star, can't forget that new one. The "banner" on the deck of each flightpod could be the same dimensions for landing purposes. As for the guns, I saw the one in the "eye" of the Valkyrie, one behind it on the "body" and three on the flightpod like that of the Pegasus. Most seemed to have only one cannon, while the that's in the "eye" appeared, in the firing sequence, to have two cannon. Cannon that fired a powered missle. The Galactica and Pegasus appeared, to me, to have the same type of main gun. The placement was not the same though. I'v been also thinking of the Galactica as being like a World War 2 carrier, since it had "AA guns" but uprated for modern operation. The Pegasus was a product of more modern times and doesn't appear to have any "AA guns". Due to the guns on the Valkyrie, I'd guess that it was perhaps the most modern design. Those main guns could be a newer design then those on Pegasus, unless they are a new "caliber". In the long run, I have to agree that it appears to be smaller and serve a slightly different purpose in the BSG, maybe a battlescruiser type to the battleship type that Galactica and Pegasus play. I can't but also say that perhaps, these ships could be treated as ships-of-the-line as in the age of sail. Interesting design, pity we'll never get to see more of it, unless Zoic is kind and releases some orthos of it. Or maybe some book comes out with orthos of all the Colonial ships and craft.<br />
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:I found some screencaps and came up with these numbers (assuming symmetry, which I thought reasonable, given other Colonial designs):<br />
::1 x heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the head<br />
::1 x Heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the main body, above the flight pods.<br />
::3 x more alcoves on either side of the main body that may or may not contain heavy gun turrets; There weren't any shots close enough for me to be certain.<br />
::1 x heavy gun turret on either side of the dorsal crest.<br />
::2 x possible heavy gun turrets aft of the dorsal crest. The image was from too far awawy to be sure, but they look quite similar to the ones astride the crest.<br />
::2 x heavy gun turrets on the dorsal surface of the flight-pods, one foreward and one aft.<br />
::3 x light gun turrets in alcoves on the side of each flight-pod. There were only three in-frame in the picture I saw them in, but it also only covered the foreward part of the flight pod, so there could be more.<br />
:Having no images of the ship's underside, there's no way to tell what armament she has there.<br />
:As far as I could tell, all the heavy gun turrets had two barrels. The lighter gun turrets are harder to make out, but they appear to be twin-barreled emplacements as well. They are definately smaller than the heavy turrets, though.<br />
:As for the armaments of ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'', the heavy turrets on both are indeed extremely similar in appearance. ''Both'' possess extensive flak suites of lighter, rapid-fire guns. Although I've been unable to visually identify any of the emplacements on ''Pegasus'', I've certainly seen them firing.<br />
:The way I see it, ''Valkyrie'' is a much smaller design, fitted with commensurately smaller weaponry, meant to support the heavier ships in a BSG like the ''Mercury''-class. More of a cruiser to their battleship, than a battlecruiser.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I kinda thought Valkyrie was a smaller battlestar, much like the Independence class light carriers of World War II or the support carriers (CVS) that the WW II era Essex class ships became. Essentially these ships were designed to undertake missions that didn't warrant the use of a big carrier. The CVL Independence, for example, was one of the first carriers deployed for night operations. Essex and her sisters were used for antisubmarine and amphibious operations. If Valkyrie were a ship of this type it would make more sense for her to be assigned a black op, since arguably she would be a somewhat less threatening presence than a full sized battlestar, and she would also be more expendable if something went wrong. I propose the term "Light Battlestar" to describe this ship. :) [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 20:44, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I think ''Valkyrie'' is an intermediate design somewhere between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''. As far as size goes, I think its comparable in dimensions to ''Galactica'', and therefore slightly smaller than ''Pegasus''. If you use the width and length of the flight pods as a scale, then ''Valkyrie'' is very similar to the other battlestars we've seen. The perception of small size I think is due to the narrower engine pods and propulsion section in the rear. ''Galactica'' has the addtional four engines from a refit that make her rear end wider, and ''Pegasus'' had more engines to begin with. The width of the bow and the overall length of the ship is about the same for all three. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 02:41, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:It could just be Pegasus and Galactica where built for long-term combat operations and journeys where as the Valkyrie might not be designed for extended journeys, which is of course much more suitable to a covert operation. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 06:00, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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The guns on the Valkyrie seem, to me, to be rail guns similar to those onboard the Galactica and Pegasus. These latter two have a larger "caliber" of cannon, but I think this could explain the firing of the missle and other types of ordance. Galactica and Pegasus can fire differing loads similtaniously, as opposed to Valkyrie. Now here's a question - I've noticed in some captures, what looks like the phaser emitters on the Enterprise-A, covering a number of areas of the Valkyrie. Could they be the AA guns?[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 18:00, 25 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:You're referring to those hemisphereical blisters on the flight-pod connector spars, and elsewhere? If so, I think we haven't got enough information. I can't make out anything that might be gunbarrels on any of them, I haven't got any detailed enough shots of them.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I just did a quick measurement comparison to the Galactica and the Valkyrie. I compared the flightpod openings for width and found that the Vlakyrie would be roughly half as long as the Galactica IF the width is the same for all Battlestars, ie. for receiving the same types of craft (eg. Shuttles, Raptors and Vipers). [[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:07, 25 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I was just comparing the flight pods myself. I haven't had time to do anything particularly in-depth, but I looked at the landing strips relative to the width of the pods' foreward and aft openings. ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' both look like they've got another landing-strip's width to either side of the actual strip, and from what I recall, the strips on both ships are about the same size compared to Vipers. Assuming the ''strip'' on ''Valkyrie'' is the same size, then an eyeball estimate looks to me like there's about half a strip's width to either side of the landing strip on ''Valkyrie'', which would make it two thirds the width of the pods on ''Galactica''.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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Ok my theory is that Valkyrie's main mission is patrol and if it finds something it sends a signal to a bigger ship and holds the threat off until a more powerful ship comes. Snorkel378<br />
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Okay, maybe I'm missin' something here, but where did you all get the idea that Valkyrie was smaller? We've got no real basis for comparison between the ships except the flight pods and the missile. The Missile looked about the same size compared to the Valkyrie as the missiles that Pegasus and Galactica have fired looked compared to them. And the views we have of the flight pods are so vague that there's nothing we can really assume based on them. I think that Valkyrie is roughly the same size as Pegasus or Galactica, and is most likely a newer model than Galactica, but a slightly older model than Pegasus, as it appears to have similar design features to both ships (it has the same engine setup and CIC as Pegasus, but the bow and flight pod design looks closer to Galactica-type ships).--[[User:Sci-fi Junkee|Sci-fi Junkee]]<br />
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:I think it's mainly the size of the gun turrets compared to the rest of the ship. If not smaller, it would have very large turrets --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:45, 25 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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Okay. Can we maybe get some pictures, cause that would help clear this whole mess up for me.--Sci-fi Junkee<br />
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== Number / Designation? ==<br />
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:In case you still don't know, as nobody replied, yes its 41. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:59, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Miniseries appearance? ==<br />
[[Image:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]<br />
I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.<br />
Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
[[Image:MysteryShip.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]<br />
I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST) <br />
:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::I made a rough design for a page [[Five-engined vessel|here]]. What do people think? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Looks good to me. I was going to point out the incorrect caption but it looks like you caught it.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 09:44, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bridge. ==<br />
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Yeah, I meant to say CIC. Must stop watching Star Trek...--[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]<br />
:To be fair, when taking modern day nomenclature into account, its function is closer to a bridge. That's where a ship is steered from. The CIC is where all sensor information is collected and evaluated. In BSG they throw that together, but I kinda like that they use a different term for a change. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Surrviving Battlestars ==<br />
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Joe, how do you know ALL the other battlestars were destroyed?<br />
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: Well, for one, "[[Downloaded]]" made it clear that the Cylon's attack was an overwhelming success. Further, RDM's made some comments in the past to that effect. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Did RDM specifically say that there are definately NO other surrviving battlestars? Is it absolutely certain? I'm one of those people who still believes theres a possibility that another one may yet be found.[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 13:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Valkyrie/Archive_1&diff=168692Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 12008-10-24T21:54:13Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 <br><br />
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
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It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
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Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment. <br />
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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Wait, wait, wait! In the episode, they showed a picture of the bridge crew of the Valkyrie that included Adama and Tigh. If they were simply assigned there for a single mission (and a covert one at that) they're not going to commemorate the occasion! Secondly, they wouldn't have assigned Tigh as well. The fewer people that knew about the mission, the better, plus there would be no reason to send another ship's XO. The Valkyrie is also described as Adama's last command before Galactica, which means that he was the commander of the ship, not an officer briefly assigned for a single mission. And why do you even have to ask if its a flashback? C'mon, people, its pretty obvious that it was!--Sci-fi Junkee<br />
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:Erm, note the date of this discussion. This was speculation before the episode aired. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:27, 25 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Class / Type / Dimensions ==<br />
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be &mdash; they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.<br />
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On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.<br />
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Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.<br />
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.<br />
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first &mdash; you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' &mdash; they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.<br />
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.<br />
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes &mdash; but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.<br />
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. &mdash; there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::I'm thinking that it's just a smaller battlestar, fulfilling a similar role as the Mercuries and such on smaller displacement. Many realword navies are always attempting to do this. For example, before the Burke was finalized, various lightweight versions, sacrificing engines or Aegis, or other equipment, were designed. All of them tried to mimize displacement.The Treaty-era ships from the 1920-30's aren't the best examples to use here because they had an artificial limit imposed on them by the Washington and London Naval Treaties. Frequently, improved technology requires lesser manpower. The reason ships keep getting bigger historically is that they keep adding new technology, for instance, the cause of the massive destroyer size increase after WWII is mostly due to the inclusion of Weapon Alfa, guided missiles, and a huge increase in carried electronics. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::OK, let's not make too big a deal about the size. Here's a comparison of sizes of post-WWII aircraft carrier classess that I put together from wikipedia.org organized by when they were built:<br />
CVL-48 Saipan class - 2 ships<br />
14,500 tons<br />
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CVA-58 United States class - 1 ship<br />
83,350 tons full, 68,000 tons standard<br />
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CV-59 Forrestal class - 4 ships<br />
56,300 tons<br />
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CV-63 Kitty Hawk class - 3 ships<br />
60,000 tons, 82,200 tons full load<br />
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CVN-65 Enterprise class - 1 ship<br />
approx. 93,500 tons full load<br />
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CV-67 John F. Kennedy class - 1 ship<br />
60728 tons light, 82655 tons full<br />
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CVN-68 Nimitz class - 9 ships<br />
101,000 to 104,000 tons full load<br />
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CVN-78 21st Century Aircraft Carrier Project<br />
100,000 tons<br />
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If we equate Galactica, an older ship, to the USS United States and the Valkyrie to Forrestal Class and Pegasus to a Nimitz class, then Galactica would be clearly larger than the Valkyrie and Pegasus would clearly be much larger than both. In the US Navy today, all these carriers have the exact same function, but vary in size by design and time. However, they are all aircraft carriers. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:29, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::[[User:Hawke|Hawke]], I don't understand where you're coming from. I never said ''Valkyrie'' wasn't a battlestar. I said that if it's smaller than ''Galactica'', then it cannot be as capable. It cannot carry the same amount of fighters because its flight pods are smaller. Its guns cannot be as large, and we know thanks to ''Pegasus'' that guns like the ones ''Galactica'' carries are still effective weapons. It will not be able to absorb as much damage due to its smaller size. I'm honestly not sure what most of your post has to do with any of that.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I think its also worth remembering that Galactica is 60 years old, and one of the first 12 Battlestars. Therefore Valkyrie must be a newer ship, which is suggested by some of its more Pegasusish design nods. Therefore yes it can quite easily be more powerful than Galactica, simply by having more modern technology. Yes Galactica will of been refitted and such and such, but refitting can only get you so far. If Galactica was able to hold its own next to newer ships it wouldn't of been about to be decommissioned when the series started. The fact is we don't know when Pegasus and Valkeryie were built, except that both most of been built post-Galactica's. That's probably also why Galactica is looked upon so harshly by Tigh. Galactica may of been in the fleet as an old relic. An old rust bucket that should of been decommissioned years ago. --[[User:CTerry|CTerry]] 18:05, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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My thought are that we could gage the scale of the Valkyrie to the Galactica and Pegasus by looking at the flightpods. The width of the "mouth" should be the same as they all support and operate the vehicles - Vipers, Raptors and shuttles. Oh and the Shadow Star, can't forget that new one. The "banner" on the deck of each flightpod could be the same dimensions for landing purposes. As for the guns, I saw the one in the "eye" of the Valkyrie, one behind it on the "body" and three on the flightpod like that of the Pegasus. Most seemed to have only one cannon, while the that's in the "eye" appeared, in the firing sequence, to have two cannon. Cannon that fired a powered missle. The Galactica and Pegasus appeared, to me, to have the same type of main gun. The placement was not the same though. I'v been also thinking of the Galactica as being like a World War 2 carrier, since it had "AA guns" but uprated for modern operation. The Pegasus was a product of more modern times and doesn't appear to have any "AA guns". Due to the guns on the Valkyrie, I'd guess that it was perhaps the most modern design. Those main guns could be a newer design then those on Pegasus, unless they are a new "caliber". In the long run, I have to agree that it appears to be smaller and serve a slightly different purpose in the BSG, maybe a battlescruiser type to the battleship type that Galactica and Pegasus play. I can't but also say that perhaps, these ships could be treated as ships-of-the-line as in the age of sail. Interesting design, pity we'll never get to see more of it, unless Zoic is kind and releases some orthos of it. Or maybe some book comes out with orthos of all the Colonial ships and craft.<br />
[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I found some screencaps and came up with these numbers (assuming symmetry, which I thought reasonable, given other Colonial designs):<br />
::1 x heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the head<br />
::1 x Heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the main body, above the flight pods.<br />
::3 x more alcoves on either side of the main body that may or may not contain heavy gun turrets; There weren't any shots close enough for me to be certain.<br />
::1 x heavy gun turret on either side of the dorsal crest.<br />
::2 x possible heavy gun turrets aft of the dorsal crest. The image was from too far awawy to be sure, but they look quite similar to the ones astride the crest.<br />
::2 x heavy gun turrets on the dorsal surface of the flight-pods, one foreward and one aft.<br />
::3 x light gun turrets in alcoves on the side of each flight-pod. There were only three in-frame in the picture I saw them in, but it also only covered the foreward part of the flight pod, so there could be more.<br />
:Having no images of the ship's underside, there's no way to tell what armament she has there.<br />
:As far as I could tell, all the heavy gun turrets had two barrels. The lighter gun turrets are harder to make out, but they appear to be twin-barreled emplacements as well. They are definately smaller than the heavy turrets, though.<br />
:As for the armaments of ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'', the heavy turrets on both are indeed extremely similar in appearance. ''Both'' possess extensive flak suites of lighter, rapid-fire guns. Although I've been unable to visually identify any of the emplacements on ''Pegasus'', I've certainly seen them firing.<br />
:The way I see it, ''Valkyrie'' is a much smaller design, fitted with commensurately smaller weaponry, meant to support the heavier ships in a BSG like the ''Mercury''-class. More of a cruiser to their battleship, than a battlecruiser.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I kinda thought Valkyrie was a smaller battlestar, much like the Independence class light carriers of World War II or the support carriers (CVS) that the WW II era Essex class ships became. Essentially these ships were designed to undertake missions that didn't warrant the use of a big carrier. The CVL Independence, for example, was one of the first carriers deployed for night operations. Essex and her sisters were used for antisubmarine and amphibious operations. If Valkyrie were a ship of this type it would make more sense for her to be assigned a black op, since arguably she would be a somewhat less threatening presence than a full sized battlestar, and she would also be more expendable if something went wrong. I propose the term "Light Battlestar" to describe this ship. :) [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 20:44, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I think ''Valkyrie'' is an intermediate design somewhere between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''. As far as size goes, I think its comparable in dimensions to ''Galactica'', and therefore slightly smaller than ''Pegasus''. If you use the width and length of the flight pods as a scale, then ''Valkyrie'' is very similar to the other battlestars we've seen. The perception of small size I think is due to the narrower engine pods and propulsion section in the rear. ''Galactica'' has the addtional four engines from a refit that make her rear end wider, and ''Pegasus'' had more engines to begin with. The width of the bow and the overall length of the ship is about the same for all three. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 02:41, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:It could just be Pegasus and Galactica where built for long-term combat operations and journeys where as the Valkyrie might not be designed for extended journeys, which is of course much more suitable to a covert operation. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 06:00, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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The guns on the Valkyrie seem, to me, to be rail guns similar to those onboard the Galactica and Pegasus. These latter two have a larger "caliber" of cannon, but I think this could explain the firing of the missle and other types of ordance. Galactica and Pegasus can fire differing loads similtaniously, as opposed to Valkyrie. Now here's a question - I've noticed in some captures, what looks like the phaser emitters on the Enterprise-A, covering a number of areas of the Valkyrie. Could they be the AA guns?[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 18:00, 25 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:You're referring to those hemisphereical blisters on the flight-pod connector spars, and elsewhere? If so, I think we haven't got enough information. I can't make out anything that might be gunbarrels on any of them, I haven't got any detailed enough shots of them.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I just did a quick measurement comparison to the Galactica and the Valkyrie. I compared the flightpod openings for width and found that the Vlakyrie would be roughly half as long as the Galactica IF the width is the same for all Battlestars, ie. for receiving the same types of craft (eg. Shuttles, Raptors and Vipers). [[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:07, 25 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I was just comparing the flight pods myself. I haven't had time to do anything particularly in-depth, but I looked at the landing strips relative to the width of the pods' foreward and aft openings. ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' both look like they've got another landing-strip's width to either side of the actual strip, and from what I recall, the strips on both ships are about the same size compared to Vipers. Assuming the ''strip'' on ''Valkyrie'' is the same size, then an eyeball estimate looks to me like there's about half a strip's width to either side of the landing strip on ''Valkyrie'', which would make it two thirds the width of the pods on ''Galactica''.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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Ok my theory is that Valkyrie's main mission is patrol and if it finds something it sends a signal to a bigger ship and holds the threat off until a more powerful ship comes. Snorkel378<br />
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Okay, maybe I'm missin' something here, but where did you all get the idea that Valkyrie was smaller? We've got no real basis for comparison between the ships except the flight pods and the missile. The Missile looked about the same size compared to the Valkyrie as the missiles that Pegasus and Galactica have fired looked compared to them. And the views we have of the flight pods are so vague that there's nothing we can really assume based on them. I think that Valkyrie is roughly the same size as Pegasus or Galactica, and is most likely a newer model than Galactica, but a slightly older model than Pegasus, as it appears to have similar design features to both ships (it has the same engine setup and CIC as Pegasus, but the bow and flight pod design looks closer to Galactica-type ships).--[[User:Sci-fi Junkee|Sci-fi Junkee]]<br />
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:I think it's mainly the size of the gun turrets compared to the rest of the ship. If not smaller, it would have very large turrets --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:45, 25 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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Okay. Can we maybe get some pictures, cause that would help clear this whole mess up for me.--Sci-fi Junkee<br />
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== Number / Designation? ==<br />
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:In case you still don't know, as nobody replied, yes its 41. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:59, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Miniseries appearance? ==<br />
[[Image:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]<br />
I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.<br />
Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
[[Image:MysteryShip.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]<br />
I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST) <br />
:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::I made a rough design for a page [[Five-engined vessel|here]]. What do people think? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Looks good to me. I was going to point out the incorrect caption but it looks like you caught it.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 09:44, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bridge. ==<br />
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Yeah, I meant to say CIC. Must stop watching Star Trek...--[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]<br />
:To be fair, when taking modern day nomenclature into account, its function is closer to a bridge. That's where a ship is steered from. The CIC is where all sensor information is collected and evaluated. In BSG they throw that together, but I kinda like that they use a different term for a change. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Surrviving Battlestars ==<br />
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Joe, how do you know ALL the other battlestars were destroyed?<br />
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== Number ==<br />
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Shouldn't Commander be listed as O-7 and Rear Admiral as O-8? Not even getting into the debate over the officer/flag officer status of the Commander rank (although it could go either way (the Colonial forces could have seven officer ranks)), but why is it listed as N/A? It's clearly higher than Colonel, which is O-6. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 21:05, 26 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:The numbers correspond with the US ranks, not the BSG ranks. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:13, 27 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== PO3 ==<br />
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I understand the note about Venner, since PO3 and Cpl are equivalent, but the page itself does quote RDM who says that there is no PO3 grade. How can the page be modified to show this? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 18:27, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Mhh, you're right. Though I don't consider that one blog entry as the very last word on it. Ideas might have changed a bit by now. Who knows.<br />
:Anyways, the list incluces PO3 mainly for the sake of completion I guess. It does say that some aspects of the table are speculative and that was always ok. You could add a footnote, like done for all other annotations. Then the explination shows up under "references". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== New information ==<br />
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There's an article that is a few months old on galactica.tv about the pins and symbols of the uniforms [http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 08:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:The new information is really the tiny details that are available from of the pins. Our insignia pictures are from that very same rank chart, so the information is already reflected, except for the narrower Lt.j.g. pin. I can update that later. We just have drawings instead of photographs which is somewhat cleaner however. Maybe the great photo of the Commander pin could be included somehow? (like "more images").<br />
:Maybe the information on the other uniform devices could be put on [[Uniforms (RDM)]] though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:10, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Sounds good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:30, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Recent round of edits ==<br />
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I got caught up in this again. If I come off as harsh or all to superior, I'm really sorry, but I think this page is pretty good as it is. And all the rest is really pretty nitpicky.<br />
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I think it comes down to to different approaches:<br />
#That the whole comparison to modern militaries (specifically the US Navy) is overdone.<br />
#Some people seem to be more interested having a close to perfect comparison. Nothing wrong with that. <br />
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Personally, I'm clearly in camp 1. Sure there are many parallels. But it's not exactly the same. So this page shouldn't be forced to do something that just isn't there. And in the last major overhauls I tried to excise many of the unnecessary comparisons and make more BSG arguments for things. As it stands, we have reasonable good evidence (sometimes conjectural) that commander more closely resembles a modern captain. Like it doesn't seem to be considered a flag rank; and Roslin also seems to imply that she sees Adama as captain in "Resurrection Ship, Part II". The rest is just made fit as best as possible. Putting Lt. opposed to Lt. make most sense, and so that leaves one rank free. It's not all that clear, but it's there.<br />
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So how do other people feel about this? Not so much about the details, but the whole approach of the article. Is the US Navy thing really that important? Should the article be more about BSG? Should we maybe just ditch the comparison if it's so troublesome and not perfect anyways? I think we can keep it, but it just needs to be clear that it's not supposed to be 1:1. I updated the introduction further to try to reflect that. Maybe I'm just too invested here, because I made a lot substantial edits to it, but I also don't like if people just change substantial things, when we had a sort-of consensus about it.<br />
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To the people who made those edits: I know you are new. I know that you haven't read everything. And I really don't want to seem overly harsh to you. That's why I'm trying to explain and discuss this here. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 22 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Why not just scrap the US Naval Rank column ==<br />
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Absent anything from Ron Moore or the writer's bible, it's all speculation and guesstimation. The only salient comparisons within the RDM Galactica universe would be Fleet vs. Marines. The "Official Statement" is self-explanatory. And like a lot of good fiction, sometimes it's best to leave some details to the individual's own imagination ... {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}<br />
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:Yeah, I'm just about ready do that. We can also keep it, but people just have to realize that it won't fit perfectly. It's a rough guideline, but nothing more. I've inserted two paragraphs now that point that out, without actually hitting the reader of the head.<br />
:That whole part is really from the very first version of this article, that was actually more about finding arguments for that comparison table than documenting the BSG universe. Sure you can make a table that lines all up 1:1, but after some discussion most people felt that there are more points to compare the BSG rank of commander to a real world captain, and the rest is built around that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:38, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::My only concern with deleting it is that it's the type of thing that might get periodically re-added by passers-by. I'd advise some note on the article to head that off, but I have doubts as to whether that would be heeded. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::True. And while it's not that important, there is some merit to the comparison. It shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously (pot.kettle.black. ;)), but some people are probably interested to know where certain ranks fall. In retrospect I realize that while there were explanations for certain ranks, there was no explanation for the overall structure. That was an oversight that is hopefully corrected now. We can't expect people to read long arguments on the talk pages to understand how some things are decided, and parts of this article were just presented "as is" without clarification. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Room for other ranks?==<br />
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It is hard to beleive that the ranks shown thus far are the only ones. There would logically be something like Midshipman for officer trainees and Lieutenant-Colonel. If so, the Midshipman grad would be easy to figure out (a white diamond), though Lt. Col would be a little more difficult, given the differences between the Colonel and Major insignia. Just a thought... [[User:Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]] 16:58, 27 December 2007 (PST)<br />
: True. However, we go with ranks that we've either seen or heard on screen or via behind-the-scenes sources. We don't really speculate on any "missing" ranks, since that falls under "[[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 19:05, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Specialist classes==<br />
IMO the specialist class ranks from the [[Flight of the Phoenix]] and [[Revelations]] credits should be considered official unless they are refuted by a more recent official source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What specialist class ranks are you referring to?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The credits list Figurski as "Specialist 3rd class". So, there appear to be at least 3 subdivisions here. But it's not that clear how they should be split up. We also only have a single rank insignia for specialist. I'll add a footnote for now, as it should be noted. It should probably be included into the table, but the question is how. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== RDM's list ==<br />
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Seeing the edits on the page, I need to chime in here. RDM's list, which was published over three years ago, is not the definitive list and we should not be a slave to it. There have been introductions of new ranks since then, like Lt. Colonel and Rear Admiral, that are not included on his list. Conspicuously, he does not include "Warrant Officer" (which there is a pin for, and these are the guys in the BG with the beige BDUs), in addition to Private (like [[Stewart Jaffee]]). I'll try to post the definitive list in a few weeks, but the edits that Serenity did are the most accurate to date with the presently available information I have. Attempts to revert them will probably resort in the page being locked, just so you know, since I don't want a needless edit war to break out. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, just what I was thinking. I don't get why this should be ''the'' definite list. It's a fine basis, but it's old and things have been added since then. And this page has always been speculative. In the past far more so than now. It's not like the speculative ranks aren't marked. I've included an (s) for those two ranks now, in addition to the footnotes. I wouldn't just add all kinds of speculation just because it sounds nice, but it's marked clearly enough. If people would rather have something more "official" they are free to skip those lines. It just doesn't make much sense to skip vice admiral for no reason, when rear admiral and admiral have been established, given that the ranks more or less follow real-world examples otherwise. And it's been on the list for one or two years without anyone really objecting.<br />
:In general my reverts here, have also been about style. Mainly odd capitalization. Things like "commissioned officer" just aren't capitalized (unless in the headers of the table and such). But neither are ranks. It's "Johnson is a lieutenant", but "Tell Lieutenant Johnson". That's also [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Military_terms|what Wikipedia uses]], though they are a bit inconsistent with it. Other sources like [http://www.hjf.org/style_guide/style.html#Titles this], [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm this] or [http://stylemanual.ngs.org/Intranet/styleman.nsf/2050e60b02a59c46852566510067477d/2fa90f9b71e105f6852566880054c234?OpenDocument this] also make this clear. I've also noted that people try to capitalize "president" and "vice president" on every occasion. The same rules usually apply there unless it's the full title of the office like "President of the Twelve Colonies"-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: All true. By the way, I'd like to get rid of the "Junior Grade"/"Senior Grade" stuff and simply go with "Junior Lieutenant" and "Senior Lieutenant", since this is what they identify these ranks by behind the scenes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::On screen both are used though (though in props mostly junior lieutenant). They seem to exist side by side. There is a footnote about it, actually (#7). Maybe that could be changed to make it clearer, or switched around. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The only real mentions of "Lieutenant Junior Grade" are in the Miniseries, and that was quickly dropped, along with a few other things that didn't quite work from the miniseries. (Such as the "Blade Runner" guns from the Miniseries, which weren't built to last anyway and were just poorly designed.) But I see your point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Initial new information ==<br />
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This is by no means the complete list of ranks, but it's based off the pin-ordering sheet I have in front of me. (No, I can't scan it. Sorry.)<br />
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From highest to lowest (these are the "green fill" verisons):<br />
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* Crew Master Chief<br />
* Crew Senior Chief (this is what Tyrol wears before his demotion for being an ass)<br />
* Sergeant 1st Class (basically the Junior Lieutenant, except the fill is green, not gold).<br />
* Crew Sergeant (like crew specialist, but has another border—with no breaks—between the outside border and the diamond)<br />
* Crew Specialist <br />
* Crewman (which is the same pin as the "Private" that Jaffee wears)<br />
* Crewman Apprentice <br />
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The gold versions:<br />
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* Commander<br />
* Colonel<br />
* Warrant Officer (worn by those in the beige BDUs, it's similar to the Crew Master Chief, itself a cross between the Lt. Col and Crew Senior Chief pips)<br />
* Lt. Colonel (these are the pins that Dualla was wearing in "LDYB" Pt. II<br />
* Major<br />
* Captain<br />
* Senior Lieutenant<br />
* Junior Lieutenant<br />
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As we've already determined earlier, the "ensign" rank pin does not exist.<br />
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I'm working on finding about the Admiral pins. <br />
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Also, an interesting story about the flight wings that the pilots wear... the symbols in the middle resemble the Captain's rank pins. There's a reason for this. The pins were also supposed to echo the rank of the wearer, but this idea was abandoned during the production. I don't know why, but I'll lay my money on the fact that it had to do with cost. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:That actually fits pretty well with the current structure (aside from the names), but some of the enlisted ranks as they are now have been established in dialogue. For example, Dualla is called petty officer second class by Billy, and I think Tyrol is identified as chief petty officer as well. The term "petty officer" in general is also mentioned (for example by Adama when he demotes Tyrol). So that would screw things up a bit.<br />
:As for warrant officer. Not everyone in beige BDUs can be a WO. Some of the Marines who have been identified with other ranks wear them as well, most notably Hadrian. It would probably be more accurate to say that in practice all WOs wear beige. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::The warrant-officers-in-khaki thing has always left me scratching my head ... why single out warrant officers with a different style uniform, but have the officers and enlisted wear the same color fatigues? For comparison's sake, in the US Navy, ranks of chief petty officer and above wear khaki service uniforms like officers (hence the term "khaki leadership"), making it easy to make the "chiefs-vs-indians" distinction in a crowd. Maybe it was easier (and cheaper) to "ret-con" the khakis as warrant officer uniforms and kind of sneak by on the collar insignia (which had little chance with a crowd like this :-)), rather than go through the cost and time of developing new insignia.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::There's that too, but it's fiction, so why not? But the other other points that speak against being all khakis = WOs. For example that the uniform is used a lot (there shouldn't be that many WOs from what I understand), is also used by Marine Sergeants (and others) and also worn by a lot of young crewmen. Warrant officers should generally be a bit older I think. It might have been thought of that way, but I don't think the wardrobe department really adheres to it closely. Not that I blame them. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I don't know, this list is a little confusing, it seems like it's a combination of marine and fleet ranks. When you get a chance Joe, I'd like to say a side by side break down of rank equivalents, I have some other questions regarding this list but I'll hold them because I think a side-by-side might answer them. Particularly because some of Joe's comments seem to contradict what we have known up to know.<br />
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I'm sure you guys have all seen the graphical rank guide put out by somebody (I can't remember the name of the top of my head but I'd be interested both to see the next update and how the new information jibes with the current version. Does anybody know how to contact this guy?-- [[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 15:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::You might be referring to Jim Stevenson's article on galactica.tv: http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/the-history-of-the-rank-insignia-chart-for-battlestar-galactica-2003.html<br />
::IMO, I think his observations and analysis are about as speculative as the discussion in this wiki.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Fred, RDM and co. are following their own conventions; they don't have to mirror real-world conventions, at all, despite the wishes of some. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm just saying ... have there been any references, on-screen or in production notes, of "sr-lieutenant"? Lieutenant and jr-lieutenant have been used in scripts and on props to-date, as far as I know ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yes, numerous times. Where, pray tell, do you think I got the above list? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So any idea about the enlisted ranks that are missing but have been mentioned in ''dialogue'' (most notably "petty officer second class"). "Specialist" has been mentioned numerous times and is on the list, but PO2 is not on it. If that can't be resolved, it's not really much better than what we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I realize that Stevenson's model is just as much speculation as ours but I thought it might be helpful to coordinate with him so we can get a consistent image for the new rank insignia's we know know as well as give proposals for ranks that are now known to exist but for which ranks haven't been developed. Right now the Lt. Col. image sticks out because it doesn't show the fringes colors like all the officers I have a version from his sheet that shows it only with white fringe, (at the time it had only been seen worn by Dualla). Also I think now that we know the the insignia for Apprentice/Private First Class, its easy to conclude that their is indeed an insignia for recruit/private because without one, the trend from Apprentice/PFC to Specialist/Corporal to PO2/Sergeant doesn't make sense.<br />
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While I'm at it I'd like to propose a new tentative ranks structure based on what new information we now have. Of course this is subject to change when Joe gets more info but I want to run what I've got by all of you and see if I'm missing something or have something confused.<br />
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*Flag Officer<br />
**Admiral<br />
**Rear Admiral<br />
*Senior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Commander<br />
**Colonel<br />
**Lieutenant Colonel<br />
*Junior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Major<br />
**Captain<br />
**Senior Lieutenant<br />
**Junior Lieutenant<br />
**Ensign<br />
*Senior Enlisted (Non-Commissioned Officer)<br />
**Master Chief Petty Officer/Sergeant-Major<br />
**Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant<br />
**Chief Petty Officer/Gunnery Sergeant<br />
**Petty Officer First Class/Sergeant First Class<br />
**Petty Officer Second Class/Sergeant<br />
*Junior Enlisted<br />
**Specialist/Corporal<br />
**Apprentice/Private First Class<br />
**Recruit/Private<br />
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Also, I want to clarify two things with Joe: First, it appears from something you wrote above that you believe Tyrol was a Senior Chief Petty Officer instead of just plain Chief. Is that true? Second, are there supposed to be separate rank insignia for warrant officers or are they supposed to be simply identified by their uniform color.<br />
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Finally I'm kinda wondering if there are multiple grades of warrant officer like their are in the U.S. military.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I need to make something a bit clear here. Firstly, the costuming / props department has not made a new rank for every single specialist (whether that be SP1, SP2, SP3). Figurski wears the same pins that Cally does, for instance. Also, with regard to the Lt. Col. pins, one of the judges (the African one) from "Crossroads" wears these pins on his own uniform, though is not part of the Col. Military. So... when it comes to the accouterments of b.g. officers, they're not really anal about it. And speaking of the Lt. Col pins, there's at least one or two offers in the blue BDUs that wear them, simply because they're not enough pins to go around. (Or not enough on the truck, or whatever.) <br />
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: As for Tyrol, since there are other petty officers aboard (i.e. [[Basim]] and [[Peter Laird]]), it would make the most sense. In any event, he wears the pins.<br />
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: For the ranking system itself... it wasn't meant to be overly analyzed like what we're doing. As RDM indicated, it is derived from TOS—which I personally believe to be a serious mistake—so it was already FUBARed from the start. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Just a nitpick and tidbit to chew on, take it for what it's worth ... there is no such thing as Sergeant First Class in the Marine Corps. If you're aiming to align with PO1, that would be Staff Sergeant (SSG). The only sergeant ranks I can recall from dialogue in the episodes (not including credits, to which I never really paid attention) are the generic "sergeant" and "gunny", so conceivable room to justify SFC rather than SSG (which is an army equivalent of gunny & CPO). Such are the hazards of trying to maintain something resembling "canon" with a combination of speculation, extrapolation, and a writing staff that introduces contradictions and revisions, not to mentioning costuming (lol for effect) ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 21:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Ugh, my use of the word "canon" gave me spine shivers, I hope things don't devolve into something "Richard Arnold"-esque (a ''Star Trek'' fandom spectactle/controversy/train-wreck, for those not familiar with the name ...)!-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 22:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== References ==<br />
The references currently aren't showing up. I've checked the page in K-Meleon and IE6. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I tried it in IE7 and it doesn't work when I'm logged out. Logging in will display the references. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Frak. I'll try to fix that tonight. I think we may just need to update the extension... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Recent Updates ==<br />
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As the freeze period has expired I decided to make some updates which I thought seemed appropriate. In the interest of avoiding another edit war I'd like to elaborate a little on those changes which I think are most likely to be controversial.<br />
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*I have once again removed the rank of Vice Admiral, I know this has been a sore point between me and some others but with lieutenant colonel, their are now ten confirmed officer ranks which already is starting to make the rank structure pretty top heavy especially given that in the U.S. Military there are usually ten officer ranks and nine enlisted ranks. Currently we have ten confirmed officer ranks and only seven confirmed enlisted ranks (eight if you include senior chief petty officer which hasn't been proven). I think it highly unlikely that there would be such a discrepency in the number of ranks between the two corps (officers v. enlisted). I have left senior chief petty officer because I think it is at least possible that such a rank may exist, although I am by no means sold on it..<br />
*As for the Marine Ranks: The ranks of private, private first class, and sergeant major have already been established both as ranks and as to their position in the rank structure. In addition, the ranks of Corporal, Sergeant and Gunnery Sergeant have been established as existing but their place in the structure hasn't been definitively established. To fill out the gap between sergeant and gunnery sergeant (as well as to confirm the places of the other ranks that are as of yet unconfirmed as to position, I have relied on Joe's post indicating a partial rank listing. In that posting he mentions both sergeant and sergeant first class as distinct ranks and also notes that sergeant first class shares the same insignia as petty officer first class. If we assume that this information is correct we then have enough information to definitively name and place all the marine enlisted ranks. That is how I have derived the current structure.<br />
*I also have removed marine "lieutenant" Terry Burrell from the officer example list since, as was already indicated on the page in a footnote, his place in the rank structure is not definitively known.<br />
*As noted in the footnotes, the reason for my changing the rank of deckhand also is derived from Joe's post. It's also partly inspired by my own personal belief that deckhand doesn't really sound like a rank. However as their is generally hostility to changes based only on personal inclinations (and perhaps rightly so), I have only changed it now based on the new information provided by Joe.<br />
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I also have a couple questions:<br />
*How is that some you are able to include brief comments in your history logs?<br />
*How does one upload pictures? I have a better version (though still not consistent with the others for the crewman/private first class insignia but I don't know how to post it.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 17:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I think the serious mistake here is the mistake we made in earlier versions of this article. That mistake was to try to mirror or associate Colonial Military ranks to US (and other real-world) military ranks; obviously, since the Original Series rank structure was FUBARed to begin with, there could be no clear real-life association to be made. So, yes, it may be top heavy... but we're here to report, not to make up facts or fanwank to explain things, which is what I'm starting to see here a bit, particularly with the brevet ranking notes.<br />
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: Regarding your questions, the "summary" line in the editing form is where we note the brief comments in the history logs. To upload files, you need to go to the [[md:|Media Repository]] to upload your files. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Yeah, the deckhand thing makes sense. That always seemed a weird choice for a rank, as it also refers to mechanics and the like in general. As for Dualla's rank in LDYB. The simplest thing is to leave it at lieutenant and consider it a costuming mishap. It's the first time she appeared in an officer's uniform, which may explain it. The explanation about a brevet promotion may appear logical, but from what I can tell, the writers don't put that much thought into such trivial details. Every comment about Lee Adama, for example, makes it sound like they consider it to be a normal promotion. And his demotion to major is actually referred to explicitly in a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd-KJ2Jscko deleted scene] in "Collaborators", even if it's a bit jokingly. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Updated Rank Chart based off of format established by Jim Stevenson ==<br />
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I'm sure all of you by now has seen the rank guide created by Jim Stevenson, in fact I'm pretty sure that's where almost all of the rank device images on the page come from. Anyway it's been a year and a half since he last updated it and there have been several major updates, so I went ahead and updated it might self. Would there be a problem with me posting it, and if so would people have a problem with me posting it in lieu of the current chart?<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 21:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Valkyrie/Archive_1&diff=168689Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 12008-10-24T21:43:41Z<p>Grandmaester314: /* Surrviving Battlestars */ new section</p>
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<div>Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 <br><br />
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
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It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
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Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment. <br />
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)<br />
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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Wait, wait, wait! In the episode, they showed a picture of the bridge crew of the Valkyrie that included Adama and Tigh. If they were simply assigned there for a single mission (and a covert one at that) they're not going to commemorate the occasion! Secondly, they wouldn't have assigned Tigh as well. The fewer people that knew about the mission, the better, plus there would be no reason to send another ship's XO. The Valkyrie is also described as Adama's last command before Galactica, which means that he was the commander of the ship, not an officer briefly assigned for a single mission. And why do you even have to ask if its a flashback? C'mon, people, its pretty obvious that it was!--Sci-fi Junkee<br />
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:Erm, note the date of this discussion. This was speculation before the episode aired. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:27, 25 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Class / Type / Dimensions ==<br />
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be &mdash; they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.<br />
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On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.<br />
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Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.<br />
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.<br />
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first &mdash; you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' &mdash; they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.<br />
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.<br />
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes &mdash; but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.<br />
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. &mdash; there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::I'm thinking that it's just a smaller battlestar, fulfilling a similar role as the Mercuries and such on smaller displacement. Many realword navies are always attempting to do this. For example, before the Burke was finalized, various lightweight versions, sacrificing engines or Aegis, or other equipment, were designed. All of them tried to mimize displacement.The Treaty-era ships from the 1920-30's aren't the best examples to use here because they had an artificial limit imposed on them by the Washington and London Naval Treaties. Frequently, improved technology requires lesser manpower. The reason ships keep getting bigger historically is that they keep adding new technology, for instance, the cause of the massive destroyer size increase after WWII is mostly due to the inclusion of Weapon Alfa, guided missiles, and a huge increase in carried electronics. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::OK, let's not make too big a deal about the size. Here's a comparison of sizes of post-WWII aircraft carrier classess that I put together from wikipedia.org organized by when they were built:<br />
CVL-48 Saipan class - 2 ships<br />
14,500 tons<br />
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CVA-58 United States class - 1 ship<br />
83,350 tons full, 68,000 tons standard<br />
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CV-59 Forrestal class - 4 ships<br />
56,300 tons<br />
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CV-63 Kitty Hawk class - 3 ships<br />
60,000 tons, 82,200 tons full load<br />
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CVN-65 Enterprise class - 1 ship<br />
approx. 93,500 tons full load<br />
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CV-67 John F. Kennedy class - 1 ship<br />
60728 tons light, 82655 tons full<br />
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CVN-68 Nimitz class - 9 ships<br />
101,000 to 104,000 tons full load<br />
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CVN-78 21st Century Aircraft Carrier Project<br />
100,000 tons<br />
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If we equate Galactica, an older ship, to the USS United States and the Valkyrie to Forrestal Class and Pegasus to a Nimitz class, then Galactica would be clearly larger than the Valkyrie and Pegasus would clearly be much larger than both. In the US Navy today, all these carriers have the exact same function, but vary in size by design and time. However, they are all aircraft carriers. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:29, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::[[User:Hawke|Hawke]], I don't understand where you're coming from. I never said ''Valkyrie'' wasn't a battlestar. I said that if it's smaller than ''Galactica'', then it cannot be as capable. It cannot carry the same amount of fighters because its flight pods are smaller. Its guns cannot be as large, and we know thanks to ''Pegasus'' that guns like the ones ''Galactica'' carries are still effective weapons. It will not be able to absorb as much damage due to its smaller size. I'm honestly not sure what most of your post has to do with any of that.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I think its also worth remembering that Galactica is 60 years old, and one of the first 12 Battlestars. Therefore Valkyrie must be a newer ship, which is suggested by some of its more Pegasusish design nods. Therefore yes it can quite easily be more powerful than Galactica, simply by having more modern technology. Yes Galactica will of been refitted and such and such, but refitting can only get you so far. If Galactica was able to hold its own next to newer ships it wouldn't of been about to be decommissioned when the series started. The fact is we don't know when Pegasus and Valkeryie were built, except that both most of been built post-Galactica's. That's probably also why Galactica is looked upon so harshly by Tigh. Galactica may of been in the fleet as an old relic. An old rust bucket that should of been decommissioned years ago. --[[User:CTerry|CTerry]] 18:05, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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My thought are that we could gage the scale of the Valkyrie to the Galactica and Pegasus by looking at the flightpods. The width of the "mouth" should be the same as they all support and operate the vehicles - Vipers, Raptors and shuttles. Oh and the Shadow Star, can't forget that new one. The "banner" on the deck of each flightpod could be the same dimensions for landing purposes. As for the guns, I saw the one in the "eye" of the Valkyrie, one behind it on the "body" and three on the flightpod like that of the Pegasus. Most seemed to have only one cannon, while the that's in the "eye" appeared, in the firing sequence, to have two cannon. Cannon that fired a powered missle. The Galactica and Pegasus appeared, to me, to have the same type of main gun. The placement was not the same though. I'v been also thinking of the Galactica as being like a World War 2 carrier, since it had "AA guns" but uprated for modern operation. The Pegasus was a product of more modern times and doesn't appear to have any "AA guns". Due to the guns on the Valkyrie, I'd guess that it was perhaps the most modern design. Those main guns could be a newer design then those on Pegasus, unless they are a new "caliber". In the long run, I have to agree that it appears to be smaller and serve a slightly different purpose in the BSG, maybe a battlescruiser type to the battleship type that Galactica and Pegasus play. I can't but also say that perhaps, these ships could be treated as ships-of-the-line as in the age of sail. Interesting design, pity we'll never get to see more of it, unless Zoic is kind and releases some orthos of it. Or maybe some book comes out with orthos of all the Colonial ships and craft.<br />
[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I found some screencaps and came up with these numbers (assuming symmetry, which I thought reasonable, given other Colonial designs):<br />
::1 x heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the head<br />
::1 x Heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the main body, above the flight pods.<br />
::3 x more alcoves on either side of the main body that may or may not contain heavy gun turrets; There weren't any shots close enough for me to be certain.<br />
::1 x heavy gun turret on either side of the dorsal crest.<br />
::2 x possible heavy gun turrets aft of the dorsal crest. The image was from too far awawy to be sure, but they look quite similar to the ones astride the crest.<br />
::2 x heavy gun turrets on the dorsal surface of the flight-pods, one foreward and one aft.<br />
::3 x light gun turrets in alcoves on the side of each flight-pod. There were only three in-frame in the picture I saw them in, but it also only covered the foreward part of the flight pod, so there could be more.<br />
:Having no images of the ship's underside, there's no way to tell what armament she has there.<br />
:As far as I could tell, all the heavy gun turrets had two barrels. The lighter gun turrets are harder to make out, but they appear to be twin-barreled emplacements as well. They are definately smaller than the heavy turrets, though.<br />
:As for the armaments of ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'', the heavy turrets on both are indeed extremely similar in appearance. ''Both'' possess extensive flak suites of lighter, rapid-fire guns. Although I've been unable to visually identify any of the emplacements on ''Pegasus'', I've certainly seen them firing.<br />
:The way I see it, ''Valkyrie'' is a much smaller design, fitted with commensurately smaller weaponry, meant to support the heavier ships in a BSG like the ''Mercury''-class. More of a cruiser to their battleship, than a battlecruiser.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I kinda thought Valkyrie was a smaller battlestar, much like the Independence class light carriers of World War II or the support carriers (CVS) that the WW II era Essex class ships became. Essentially these ships were designed to undertake missions that didn't warrant the use of a big carrier. The CVL Independence, for example, was one of the first carriers deployed for night operations. Essex and her sisters were used for antisubmarine and amphibious operations. If Valkyrie were a ship of this type it would make more sense for her to be assigned a black op, since arguably she would be a somewhat less threatening presence than a full sized battlestar, and she would also be more expendable if something went wrong. I propose the term "Light Battlestar" to describe this ship. :) [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 20:44, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I think ''Valkyrie'' is an intermediate design somewhere between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''. As far as size goes, I think its comparable in dimensions to ''Galactica'', and therefore slightly smaller than ''Pegasus''. If you use the width and length of the flight pods as a scale, then ''Valkyrie'' is very similar to the other battlestars we've seen. The perception of small size I think is due to the narrower engine pods and propulsion section in the rear. ''Galactica'' has the addtional four engines from a refit that make her rear end wider, and ''Pegasus'' had more engines to begin with. The width of the bow and the overall length of the ship is about the same for all three. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 02:41, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:It could just be Pegasus and Galactica where built for long-term combat operations and journeys where as the Valkyrie might not be designed for extended journeys, which is of course much more suitable to a covert operation. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 06:00, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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The guns on the Valkyrie seem, to me, to be rail guns similar to those onboard the Galactica and Pegasus. These latter two have a larger "caliber" of cannon, but I think this could explain the firing of the missle and other types of ordance. Galactica and Pegasus can fire differing loads similtaniously, as opposed to Valkyrie. Now here's a question - I've noticed in some captures, what looks like the phaser emitters on the Enterprise-A, covering a number of areas of the Valkyrie. Could they be the AA guns?[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 18:00, 25 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:You're referring to those hemisphereical blisters on the flight-pod connector spars, and elsewhere? If so, I think we haven't got enough information. I can't make out anything that might be gunbarrels on any of them, I haven't got any detailed enough shots of them.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I just did a quick measurement comparison to the Galactica and the Valkyrie. I compared the flightpod openings for width and found that the Vlakyrie would be roughly half as long as the Galactica IF the width is the same for all Battlestars, ie. for receiving the same types of craft (eg. Shuttles, Raptors and Vipers). [[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:07, 25 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I was just comparing the flight pods myself. I haven't had time to do anything particularly in-depth, but I looked at the landing strips relative to the width of the pods' foreward and aft openings. ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' both look like they've got another landing-strip's width to either side of the actual strip, and from what I recall, the strips on both ships are about the same size compared to Vipers. Assuming the ''strip'' on ''Valkyrie'' is the same size, then an eyeball estimate looks to me like there's about half a strip's width to either side of the landing strip on ''Valkyrie'', which would make it two thirds the width of the pods on ''Galactica''.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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Ok my theory is that Valkyrie's main mission is patrol and if it finds something it sends a signal to a bigger ship and holds the threat off until a more powerful ship comes. Snorkel378<br />
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Okay, maybe I'm missin' something here, but where did you all get the idea that Valkyrie was smaller? We've got no real basis for comparison between the ships except the flight pods and the missile. The Missile looked about the same size compared to the Valkyrie as the missiles that Pegasus and Galactica have fired looked compared to them. And the views we have of the flight pods are so vague that there's nothing we can really assume based on them. I think that Valkyrie is roughly the same size as Pegasus or Galactica, and is most likely a newer model than Galactica, but a slightly older model than Pegasus, as it appears to have similar design features to both ships (it has the same engine setup and CIC as Pegasus, but the bow and flight pod design looks closer to Galactica-type ships).--[[User:Sci-fi Junkee|Sci-fi Junkee]]<br />
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:I think it's mainly the size of the gun turrets compared to the rest of the ship. If not smaller, it would have very large turrets --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:45, 25 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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Okay. Can we maybe get some pictures, cause that would help clear this whole mess up for me.--Sci-fi Junkee<br />
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== Number / Designation? ==<br />
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:In case you still don't know, as nobody replied, yes its 41. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:59, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Miniseries appearance? ==<br />
[[Image:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]<br />
I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.<br />
Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
[[Image:MysteryShip.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]<br />
I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST) <br />
:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::I made a rough design for a page [[Five-engined vessel|here]]. What do people think? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Looks good to me. I was going to point out the incorrect caption but it looks like you caught it.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 09:44, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bridge. ==<br />
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Yeah, I meant to say CIC. Must stop watching Star Trek...--[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]<br />
:To be fair, when taking modern day nomenclature into account, its function is closer to a bridge. That's where a ship is steered from. The CIC is where all sensor information is collected and evaluated. In BSG they throw that together, but I kinda like that they use a different term for a change. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Surrviving Battlestars ==<br />
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Joe, how do you know ALL the other battlestars were destroyed?</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=168685Military Ranks (RDM)2008-10-24T16:35:43Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
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This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
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The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
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The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
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{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
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! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
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| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
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| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
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| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
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| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
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| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
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| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
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| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
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| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. For example in [[:Image:Lt col fisk ref photo from 401-402.jpg|this photo]]. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a "lieutenant" in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping as a lieutenant colonel was the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform. Given that he is the only person ever even referred to as holding that rank, it is likely safe to assume that the standard BDU for a lieutenant colonel would be the red-over-white piped version Fisk wore and that is worn by full colonels. While it has been assumed to be a senior officer rank based on the fact that full colonel is a senior officer rank and that Fisk wore a full colonel's red-over-white piped BDU as a lieutenant colonel (instead of the junior officer white-piped BDU which is worn by all ranks below lieutenant colonel), this hasn't been definitively confirmed, and for a number of reasons there is still a degree of uncertainty, for example:<br />
**The rank immediately below lieutenant colonel wears one one type of BDU (majors wear the standard white-piped junior officer BDU), and the rank immediately above it wears a different style.<br />
**The established trend prior to the introduction of the rank of lieutenant colonel was that every senior officer rank had its own unique piping. So on one hand it does call into question why three senior officer ranks would have unique piping styles while two would share one. On the other hand, since the name of the two ranks are related and their roles are much more similar to each other than a colonel's duties are to a commander or a commander's duties are to an admiral, sharing piping between those two ranks might make sense.<br />
**Another potential problem with this assumption is that the use of the full colonel style uniform by Fisk as a lieutenant colonel could simply be the result of a costuming necessity. Fisk only appeared as lieutenant colonel during Razor the events of which, while chronologically taking place before the interactions of Pegasus in the regular series, were actually filmed afterwards. He was therefore first filmed for events that took place after he was already Pegasus XO and a full colonel, it's possible that the production team didn't want to have to create a whole new uniform for him since he would have only used it for a brief time during Razor (and the material for the uniforms is limited).</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref name="Major">'''Major''': After her promotion to major in [[Razor]], Kendra Shaw is seen wearing a uniform with the red-over-white piping normally worn by colonels. While there is no definite explanation for this (given that both of the other two characters who hold the rank of major and are seen on screen wearing a uniform, wear the standard junior officer uniform with a single strip of white piping; and given that it couldn't have been a costuming necessity since she wore the standard junior officer uniform as a lieutenant and captain), the most plausible explanation is that it was done to denote the fact that she was Pegasus XO.</ref>, [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialog, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]," but since the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant" that is the term that we have used. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| <i>Senior Chief Petty Officer</i> || <i>Master Sergeant</i><ref>'''Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant''': The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources and is therefore subject to debate.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major''' <ref name="Major"/><br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:Private pins.jpg|100px]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
<br />
==Additional Images==<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
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==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
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[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=168684Military Ranks (RDM)2008-10-24T15:54:27Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
__TOC__<br />
== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (e.g. senior chief petty officer).<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Peter Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew uses the same insignia for both admiral ranks, as only one type of admiral pin has been made for the show. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Peter Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. For example in [[:Image:Lt col fisk ref photo from 401-402.jpg|this photo]]. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*These devices have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a "lieutenant" in dialog. Insiders have indicated that Dualla's use of the lieutenant colonel insignia was a costuming error/necessity, that was necessitated during her first appearances after becoming an officer because there weren't enough junior lieutenant devices to go around. It has also been noticed that other characters including Chief Tyrol have used them from time to time for the same reason.<br />
*Fisk's uniform piping is the same red-over-white as on a full colonel's uniform.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]] <ref name="Major">'''Major''': After her promotion to major in [[Razor]], Kendra Shaw is seen wearing a uniform with the red-over-white piping normally worn by colonels. While there is no definite explanation for this (given that both of the other two characters who hold the rank of major and are seen on screen wearing a uniform, wear the standard junior officer uniform with a single strip of white piping; and given that it couldn't have been a costuming necessity since she wore the standard junior officer uniform as a lieutenant and captain), the most plausible explanation is that it was done to denote the fact that she was Pegasus XO.</ref>, [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': <br />
*The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialog, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]," but since the vast majority of on-screen references and behind-the-scenes documentation use the term "junior lieutenant" that is the term that we have used. <br />
*While Ron Moore's blog entry from a couple seasons ago (see "Official Statements" below) uses the term "lieutenant junior grade," it should also be pointed out that other differences between the blog entry and the actual terminology and structure have been definitively proven since the entry was written. </ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| <i>Senior Chief Petty Officer</i> || <i>Master Sergeant</i><ref>'''Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant''': The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources and is therefore subject to debate.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks. The term sergeant first class is never used on screen. However, behind the scenes documents list the Marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources, including Ron Moore's blog, refer to this rank as "deckhand". However, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major''' <ref name="Major"/><br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is a costuming necessity, as the production never created a separate pin for the ensign rank.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:Private pins.jpg|100px]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
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Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others wearing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<ref name="LtCol"/><br />
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Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
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==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
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The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
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Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
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Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
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Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
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[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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== Military Ranks ==<br />
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I would have messaged you before now but I only just now figured out how to use the talk function.<br />
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I don't appreciate you just blanket undoing all of my changes which is why I simply remade them. This is a wiki so I fully expect my revisions to be further revised to some degree, but I think it's incredibly disrespectful to just undo them in their entirety. In addition many of my changes were clerical (changing lower case letters to capitals for example) and undoing those to me makes no sense. <br />
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Second, the reason I keep removing the Petty Officer Second Class/Master Sergeant and Rear Admiral ranks has nothing to do with them not being on Ron Moore's list. It has to do with the fact that unlike other ranks like Rear Admiral, which although not mentioned on Ron Moore's list, have been definitively established on screen; those two ranks have not been established by any authority for the show onscreen or otherwise. In addition I thought we abandoned trying to match it with the U.S. Rank system when we struck that part of the chart. I think we should limit the ranks we list to those that have been definitively established, especially given how complex the rank structure is getting. <br />
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Third I believe it's valid to offer possible explanations for rank insignias that haven't been shown. I believe you yourself offered a great deal of speculation on the page dealing with Valkyrie, and if not at least supported them when I tried to edit them to support different theories; so I don't see how it can be ok to speculate on one page but not on another as long as the speculation is reasonably supported.<br />
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If you have a problem with something I put up let's discuss it rather than engaging in an edit war, such tactics are completely counterproductive and a waste of both of our time. {{unsigned|Grandmaester314}}<br />
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: The ranking system is about to become even more complex. However, I've had to revert your edits and lock the page temporarily, since I really don't want an edit war to go on—plus Serenity's are the closest to the actual stuff used on the show, as opposed to your edits. (As a consultant / assistant researcher on the [http://www.battlestarprops.com Battlestar Galactica Props and Costumes] auctions run by PropWorx and Unviersal, I have access to behind-the-scenes documentation regarding the rank pins used in the show. I'll add the missing ranks and their corresponding pins here in a few weeks or so, since it's not a high priority for me at this moment.) <br />
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: Also, given Serenity's status as an administrator and the fact that he can edit the page even if it's locked, I'll ask that Serenity not edit the ranks page in question until it's been unlocked again. <br />
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: Don't take this action personally. It's just that none of us should be wasting our time editing the page until I get the chance to add what needs to be added there. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:*As for the style edits. Ranks are not capitalized unless they're used as titles, followed by a name. That's what other pages here do, or should at least. It's the standard that Wikipedia uses (although a bit inconsistently) and it's what's used in the real world generally; for example [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm here] or the official [http://www.navy.mil/tools/view_styleguide_all.asp Navy style guide]. That's why I changed that. Yes, the ranks are capitalized in the table, but that's a bit different from prose.<br />
:*I reverted some of the additions to the names, because some of them were superfluous. It's just supposed to be a few examples, not an exhaustive list of all officers. So I removed Shaw as lieutenant for example. And the stuff about "Razor Part 2" and such doesn't make much sense. There aren't any parts to the movie.<br />
:*I initially removed the rank insignia speculation because I thought it went on for far too long for a mere footnote and drew too much comparisons to real-world examples. Then I realized that there is merit to it and re-added it in a condensed form, that gets the main point across. See footnotes #11 and #12. It's still there.<br />
:*As for the real-world rank comparison. That has been discussed at some length on the talk page, and while arguments can be made for both, it was generally felt that it makes most sense to have a commander to be the same as a captain. But getting rid of the comparison at all is the best course of action, considering the trouble it caused.<br />
:*As for the speculative ranks. They've been there for maybe two years and nobody complained about it before. The footnotes make it clear that they haven't been established on screen, so they can easily be ignored if someone prefers that. I think there are more arguments to include them than there are against them (there is just no reason to not have them, when the rest of the NCO list follows the usual structure). In any case, this is probably a moot point with Joe having something of a complete list. In general, this is an article that lends itself to some deduction. Assuming that there is a rank missing or how some insignia might look can be well-grounded reasoning. That's a bit different from just wildly guessing about the purpose of a certain ship type for example.<br />
:*I realize that this has been a sad edit war and I didn't like it, but we are both to blame. I pointed out the capitalization issue in the edit summary for example. We could also have discussed this on talk pages earlier instead of just reverting back and forth. I left a note on your talk page about something else and should have written another when this went out of hand, but I wasn't sure if you'd read it. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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First, thanks for the response. Second, I have several points I'd like to make, I apologize in advance if this gets rather lengthy.<br />
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In response to the recent unpleasantness:<br />
*I did read your initial message but as I indicated to Joe, until yesterday, I couldn't figure out how to respond. <br />
*I realize I have a tendency to get overly wordy, its a function of my vocabulary and writing style which definitely has something of a flourish to it, however since I couldn't figure out how to consolidate my comments any further than I already had, I figured I'd post it and let someone else figure out how to consolidate them.<br />
*I agree with you and Joe that it is counterproductive to keep revising this page when he will shortly have a bunch of new, and more definitive information.<br />
*I know we got off on the wrong foot but I hope we can change that, you seem to be one of the people most interested in this topic, which to me is perhaps the most interesting one, and I think we could have some very productive discussions.<br />
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I'd also like to make some BSG related comments for you to think about:<br />
*Assuming that Joe doesn't provide further clarification on the Lt. Colonel issue I think it's something that should still be discussed further before a final conclusion is made as to it's exact role. I have a very different opinion on it than you seem to. I think it may not be a rank at all. <br />
**Credits have been known to be mislisted before and their have been instances where ranks have been listed that either conflicted with their insignia (such as Agathon wearing a full lieutenant's chevrons but claiming to be a junior lieutenant), or were never established in the ranks structure (such as the multiple classes of specialist I've heard referred to).<br />
**Officers of different ranks have worn it.<br />
**The insignia doesn't follow any kind of trend like all the other ranks do which would place it in a specific rank catagory.<br />
***The enlisted ranks all have standard diamond shapes with silver borders and green inlay, junior officers all have the same general diamond shape and silver border that enlisted ranks do but have gold inlay, and the other senior officers all have a progression based on a foundation of the full colonel design which is a gold diamond with an extended tapered edge on the bottom and a raised red phoenix logo in the center.<br />
***This insignia has charactoristics from all these classes and others that are unique to it. It shares the same basic diamond shape and raised border as the enlisted and junior officer ranks. On the other hand it shares it's completely gold color and phoenix logo with the senior officer ranks. However, unlike the enlisted and junior officer ranks which have a raised silver border, it's raised border is the same gold as the rest of it, as is the raised diamond in the center (similar raised designs in the enlisted ranks are the same silver as the border in contrast to the green inlay). At the same time it also diverges from the senior officer ranks because its diamond shape doesn't share the same evolving design as the other senior officers and also unlike the other senior officers its phoenix is engraved and unpainted as opposed to raised and red colored.<br />
**For these reasons I think this device is designed to indicate someone granted a special role. In Dualla's case it might have been used to indicate her XO status which wouldn't be at all apparent from her actual rank since under normal circumstances, a lieutenant junior grade would never be XO of a battlestar. Now as to why Fisk wore it, I can only speculate, perhaps he wasn't supposed to be a permanent member of the crew but was only on board at the time of the attacks because he had some role in Pegasus' overhaul.<br />
*Unless Joe is able to definitively place him in the rank structure, I think Marine Lieutenant Burrell should be removed from the list of examples on the ranks chart since we can't definitively place his rank in the overall rank structure. Besides as Joe pointed out (and I hadn't really realized), the list isn't intended to be exhaustive. While I understand the desire to have him on the list since he is the only Marine officer we have seen, I think we shouldn't place him on the list until we now for sure where he goes.<br />
*Given a comment from Joe I know ascede to the fact that their may well be a Senior Chief Petty Officer Rank (in fact it would resolve a major issue for me namely, why use the rank of gunnery sergeant when you don't use master sergeant?), at least enough for me to feel ok including it in the list. However given the fact that Cally was promoted directly from Specialist to PO2 I believe it's safe to conclude two things: First, there is no P.O. Third Class. Second, given that the rank of Corporal has been established and would normally be equivalent to PO3, there is indeed no Lance Corporal rank and Corporal is just shifted down one and slotted in next to Specialist. I believe almost as strongly that their is no Vice Admiral rank for a number of reasons. In addition to the fact that it has never even been mentioned, the most notable reason is that if you take a look at the uniform fringe colors for Admiral and Rear Admiral, there doesn't seem to be room for an intermediate rank because the next logical progression from the Rear Admiral's gold over silver is the Fleet Admiral's solid gold.<br />
*Finally, I differ in my assessment of the place of Commander in the rank structure. I believe that Commanders are more closely akin to a one-star admiral than to a Captain in the U.S. Navy. They do fulfill aspects of both roles, but given that battlestars are often dispatched on their own, that Admiral's are only assigned when their are multiple military ships in a group as opposed to unarmed support vessels, and that in reality a carrier task force usually has more than one admiral (usually a two- or three-star in overall command, and at least one one- or two-star admiral in charge of all the screening ships. I believe that equating Commander with Captain does not accurately recognize the scope of a Commander's authorities and duties or his significantly higher standing in the overall command structure. Also I think it can be expected that there are other military vessels which aren't battlestars which may at times accompany a battlestar group and I think for such smaller vessels, it would likely be Colonel or even a Major in certain circumstances who be in direct command of the specific vessel (after all the navy assigns commanding officers of different ranks to command different types of ships based on their size and purpose.<br />
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Any way I know I am probably babbling by now but I thought I'd give you some idea of some of the things I would like to discuss in the future.<br />
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I am also going to send Joe a list of things that I think are most important to clear up. I think it might be helpful for him to have some guidelines see he can target his research. These include:<br />
*A definite equivalence table for Marine and Fleet enlisted ranks<br />
*The real nature of the so-called "Lt. Colonel" insignia<br />
*Whether the Marines have a different officer structure than the Fleet.<br />
*The exact number of officer and enlisted ranks <br />
*Whether there are any other officer ranks that haven't been introduced.<br />
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Again I apologize for the length of the message but I thought it might inspire some constructive discussion.<br />
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 18:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:*As for the commander/captain/admiral things. I see your points and I've heard them before. There are valid arguments for both points of view. So in the end, the best is to just drop it. There have been long arguments about this before that didn't really go anywhere, and in the end the rank structure is very similar but not identical to real-world examples, especially considering the ''roles'' of people. The article isn't really any better with the comparison, so good riddance :)<br />
:*I'm usually also a bit hesitant to fully include all behind the scenes information, as it's sometimes contradicted by on-screen content (whereas Joe for example is more of an "inclusionist"). But this seems to be pretty consistent from what I've seen so far. Except that everyone wearing a beige BDUs is supposed to be a warrant officer as Joe noted on the article's talk page. For example Sergeant Hadrian and a couple of pretty young crewmen also wear them and they aren't WOs. We'll see how that all turns out, but in any case, it's more logical to assume that Fisk was indeed intended to be a lieutenant colonel and promoted later, than to invent things to explain it away. That's kinda fanwanky, even if the arguments make sense. Dualla's insignia can just be chalked up as a costuming error then. Yeah, the insignia doesn't fit 100%ly, but if that's what they intended (and maybe supported by other sources), we'll have to go by it. There are similar oddities in real-life, for example with silver outranking gold in the US armed forces (e.g. gold oak leaf = major, silver = lieutenant colonel). It's just a TV show after all, and even the best ones make errors here and there.<br />
:*Regarding Burrell. There is actually a second [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|unnamed Marine lieutenant]] in Season 4. I agree that including him in the list is a bit fishy since he doesn't necessarily line up with a Fleet lieutenant. Maybe the two can be moved up into the text, where Marine officers are briefly mentioned. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Rank Listing for Sergeant Hadrian ==<br />
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I have changed back the listing of rank on the Sergeant Hadrian page to Sergeant First Class. You made a valid point when you changed it back but I thought it should be consistent with what is on the ranks page. If this a big problem for you, you can change it back. Also, I would have left this not on the history listing for the change the way you normally do but I still can't figure out how to do that.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 17:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Hadrian&diff=167835Hadrian2008-09-13T17:50:38Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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'''Sergeant Hadrian''' is the [[Master-at-Arms]] on ''Galactica''. She is responsible for the internal security on the ship.<br />
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She is first mentioned, albeit not by name, when Sharon Valerii notices that [[G-4]] explosives are missing from a small arms locker and Chief Tyrol tells her that she must tell the Master-at-Arms ([[Water]]).<br />
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Hadrian leads the investigation of an accident on the hangar deck that results in the death of thirteen pilots and injures seven more, concluding that it was caused by material fatigue ([[Act of Contrition]]).<br />
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After a suicide attack by [[Aaron Doral]], Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] places her in command of investigating how it was possible for him to get past the security guards. She acts as the main prosecutor in an independent tribunal to attempt to locate Cylon saboteurs and collaborators aboard ''Galactica''. However, her efforts turn into a witch hunt and, although Specialist [[Socinus]] is used as scapegoat, the tribunal is disbanded by Adama, after he himself is accused of facilitating the attack. Hadrian is confined to her quarters after losing a standoff with him ([[Litmus]]).<br />
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When a Cylon boarding party invades ''Galactica'', Colonel Tigh mentions that Sergeant Hadrian is leading one of the squads of Marines defending the ship ([[Valley of Darkness]]).<br />
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* Hadrian was the name of a Roman Emperor who was characterized by his efforts to stabilize and strengthen the Roman frontier, building suitable defenses and abandoning provinces that were too costly to guard. Sergeant Hadrian plays a similar role: she tirelessly works to defend the ''Galactica'' against its enemies (although she focuses on internal enemies, whereas the emperor focused on external ones). In keeping with the show's basis in Greek mythology, Hadrian was a noted Hellenophile, and did much to enrich Greek culture in the Empire during his reign. (See [[w:Emperor Hadrian|Wikipedia - Emperor Hadrian]] for more information.)<br />
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== Number ==<br />
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Shouldn't Commander be listed as O-7 and Rear Admiral as O-8? Not even getting into the debate over the officer/flag officer status of the Commander rank (although it could go either way (the Colonial forces could have seven officer ranks)), but why is it listed as N/A? It's clearly higher than Colonel, which is O-6. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 21:05, 26 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:The numbers correspond with the US ranks, not the BSG ranks. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:13, 27 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== PO3 ==<br />
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I understand the note about Venner, since PO3 and Cpl are equivalent, but the page itself does quote RDM who says that there is no PO3 grade. How can the page be modified to show this? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 18:27, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Mhh, you're right. Though I don't consider that one blog entry as the very last word on it. Ideas might have changed a bit by now. Who knows.<br />
:Anyways, the list incluces PO3 mainly for the sake of completion I guess. It does say that some aspects of the table are speculative and that was always ok. You could add a footnote, like done for all other annotations. Then the explination shows up under "references". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== New information ==<br />
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There's an article that is a few months old on galactica.tv about the pins and symbols of the uniforms [http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 08:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:The new information is really the tiny details that are available from of the pins. Our insignia pictures are from that very same rank chart, so the information is already reflected, except for the narrower Lt.j.g. pin. I can update that later. We just have drawings instead of photographs which is somewhat cleaner however. Maybe the great photo of the Commander pin could be included somehow? (like "more images").<br />
:Maybe the information on the other uniform devices could be put on [[Uniforms (RDM)]] though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:10, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Sounds good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:30, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Recent round of edits ==<br />
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I got caught up in this again. If I come off as harsh or all to superior, I'm really sorry, but I think this page is pretty good as it is. And all the rest is really pretty nitpicky.<br />
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I think it comes down to to different approaches:<br />
#That the whole comparison to modern militaries (specifically the US Navy) is overdone.<br />
#Some people seem to be more interested having a close to perfect comparison. Nothing wrong with that. <br />
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Personally, I'm clearly in camp 1. Sure there are many parallels. But it's not exactly the same. So this page shouldn't be forced to do something that just isn't there. And in the last major overhauls I tried to excise many of the unnecessary comparisons and make more BSG arguments for things. As it stands, we have reasonable good evidence (sometimes conjectural) that commander more closely resembles a modern captain. Like it doesn't seem to be considered a flag rank; and Roslin also seems to imply that she sees Adama as captain in "Resurrection Ship, Part II". The rest is just made fit as best as possible. Putting Lt. opposed to Lt. make most sense, and so that leaves one rank free. It's not all that clear, but it's there.<br />
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So how do other people feel about this? Not so much about the details, but the whole approach of the article. Is the US Navy thing really that important? Should the article be more about BSG? Should we maybe just ditch the comparison if it's so troublesome and not perfect anyways? I think we can keep it, but it just needs to be clear that it's not supposed to be 1:1. I updated the introduction further to try to reflect that. Maybe I'm just too invested here, because I made a lot substantial edits to it, but I also don't like if people just change substantial things, when we had a sort-of consensus about it.<br />
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To the people who made those edits: I know you are new. I know that you haven't read everything. And I really don't want to seem overly harsh to you. That's why I'm trying to explain and discuss this here. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 22 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Why not just scrap the US Naval Rank column ==<br />
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Absent anything from Ron Moore or the writer's bible, it's all speculation and guesstimation. The only salient comparisons within the RDM Galactica universe would be Fleet vs. Marines. The "Official Statement" is self-explanatory. And like a lot of good fiction, sometimes it's best to leave some details to the individual's own imagination ... {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}<br />
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:Yeah, I'm just about ready do that. We can also keep it, but people just have to realize that it won't fit perfectly. It's a rough guideline, but nothing more. I've inserted two paragraphs now that point that out, without actually hitting the reader of the head.<br />
:That whole part is really from the very first version of this article, that was actually more about finding arguments for that comparison table than documenting the BSG universe. Sure you can make a table that lines all up 1:1, but after some discussion most people felt that there are more points to compare the BSG rank of commander to a real world captain, and the rest is built around that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:38, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::My only concern with deleting it is that it's the type of thing that might get periodically re-added by passers-by. I'd advise some note on the article to head that off, but I have doubts as to whether that would be heeded. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::True. And while it's not that important, there is some merit to the comparison. It shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously (pot.kettle.black. ;)), but some people are probably interested to know where certain ranks fall. In retrospect I realize that while there were explanations for certain ranks, there was no explanation for the overall structure. That was an oversight that is hopefully corrected now. We can't expect people to read long arguments on the talk pages to understand how some things are decided, and parts of this article were just presented "as is" without clarification. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Room for other ranks?==<br />
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It is hard to beleive that the ranks shown thus far are the only ones. There would logically be something like Midshipman for officer trainees and Lieutenant-Colonel. If so, the Midshipman grad would be easy to figure out (a white diamond), though Lt. Col would be a little more difficult, given the differences between the Colonel and Major insignia. Just a thought... [[User:Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]] 16:58, 27 December 2007 (PST)<br />
: True. However, we go with ranks that we've either seen or heard on screen or via behind-the-scenes sources. We don't really speculate on any "missing" ranks, since that falls under "[[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 19:05, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Specialist classes==<br />
IMO the specialist class ranks from the [[Flight of the Phoenix]] and [[Revelations]] credits should be considered official unless they are refuted by a more recent official source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What specialist class ranks are you referring to?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The credits list Figurski as "Specialist 3rd class". So, there appear to be at least 3 subdivisions here. But it's not that clear how they should be split up. We also only have a single rank insignia for specialist. I'll add a footnote for now, as it should be noted. It should probably be included into the table, but the question is how. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== RDM's list ==<br />
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Seeing the edits on the page, I need to chime in here. RDM's list, which was published over three years ago, is not the definitive list and we should not be a slave to it. There have been introductions of new ranks since then, like Lt. Colonel and Rear Admiral, that are not included on his list. Conspicuously, he does not include "Warrant Officer" (which there is a pin for, and these are the guys in the BG with the beige BDUs), in addition to Private (like [[Stewart Jaffee]]). I'll try to post the definitive list in a few weeks, but the edits that Serenity did are the most accurate to date with the presently available information I have. Attempts to revert them will probably resort in the page being locked, just so you know, since I don't want a needless edit war to break out. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, just what I was thinking. I don't get why this should be ''the'' definite list. It's a fine basis, but it's old and things have been added since then. And this page has always been speculative. In the past far more so than now. It's not like the speculative ranks aren't marked. I've included an (s) for those two ranks now, in addition to the footnotes. I wouldn't just add all kinds of speculation just because it sounds nice, but it's marked clearly enough. If people would rather have something more "official" they are free to skip those lines. It just doesn't make much sense to skip vice admiral for no reason, when rear admiral and admiral have been established, given that the ranks more or less follow real-world examples otherwise. And it's been on the list for one or two years without anyone really objecting.<br />
:In general my reverts here, have also been about style. Mainly odd capitalization. Things like "commissioned officer" just aren't capitalized (unless in the headers of the table and such). But neither are ranks. It's "Johnson is a lieutenant", but "Tell Lieutenant Johnson". That's also [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Military_terms|what Wikipedia uses]], though they are a bit inconsistent with it. Other sources like [http://www.hjf.org/style_guide/style.html#Titles this], [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm this] or [http://stylemanual.ngs.org/Intranet/styleman.nsf/2050e60b02a59c46852566510067477d/2fa90f9b71e105f6852566880054c234?OpenDocument this] also make this clear. I've also noted that people try to capitalize "president" and "vice president" on every occasion. The same rules usually apply there unless it's the full title of the office like "President of the Twelve Colonies"-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: All true. By the way, I'd like to get rid of the "Junior Grade"/"Senior Grade" stuff and simply go with "Junior Lieutenant" and "Senior Lieutenant", since this is what they identify these ranks by behind the scenes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::On screen both are used though (though in props mostly junior lieutenant). They seem to exist side by side. There is a footnote about it, actually (#7). Maybe that could be changed to make it clearer, or switched around. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The only real mentions of "Lieutenant Junior Grade" are in the Miniseries, and that was quickly dropped, along with a few other things that didn't quite work from the miniseries. (Such as the "Blade Runner" guns from the Miniseries, which weren't built to last anyway and were just poorly designed.) But I see your point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Initial new information ==<br />
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This is by no means the complete list of ranks, but it's based off the pin-ordering sheet I have in front of me. (No, I can't scan it. Sorry.)<br />
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From highest to lowest (these are the "green fill" verisons):<br />
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* Crew Master Chief<br />
* Crew Senior Chief (this is what Tyrol wears before his demotion for being an ass)<br />
* Sergeant 1st Class (basically the Junior Lieutenant, except the fill is green, not gold).<br />
* Crew Sergeant (like crew specialist, but has another border—with no breaks—between the outside border and the diamond)<br />
* Crew Specialist <br />
* Crewman (which is the same pin as the "Private" that Jaffee wears)<br />
* Crewman Apprentice <br />
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The gold versions:<br />
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* Commander<br />
* Colonel<br />
* Warrant Officer (worn by those in the beige BDUs, it's similar to the Crew Master Chief, itself a cross between the Lt. Col and Crew Senior Chief pips)<br />
* Lt. Colonel (these are the pins that Dualla was wearing in "LDYB" Pt. II<br />
* Major<br />
* Captain<br />
* Senior Lieutenant<br />
* Junior Lieutenant<br />
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As we've already determined earlier, the "ensign" rank pin does not exist.<br />
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I'm working on finding about the Admiral pins. <br />
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Also, an interesting story about the flight wings that the pilots wear... the symbols in the middle resemble the Captain's rank pins. There's a reason for this. The pins were also supposed to echo the rank of the wearer, but this idea was abandoned during the production. I don't know why, but I'll lay my money on the fact that it had to do with cost. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:That actually fits pretty well with the current structure (aside from the names), but some of the enlisted ranks as they are now have been established in dialogue. For example, Dualla is called petty officer second class by Billy, and I think Tyrol is identified as chief petty officer as well. The term "petty officer" in general is also mentioned (for example by Adama when he demotes Tyrol). So that would screw things up a bit.<br />
:As for warrant officer. Not everyone in beige BDUs can be a WO. Some of the Marines who have been identified with other ranks wear them as well, most notably Hadrian. It would probably be more accurate to say that in practice all WOs wear beige. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::The warrant-officers-in-khaki thing has always left me scratching my head ... why single out warrant officers with a different style uniform, but have the officers and enlisted wear the same color fatigues? For comparison's sake, in the US Navy, ranks of chief petty officer and above wear khaki service uniforms like officers (hence the term "khaki leadership"), making it easy to make the "chiefs-vs-indians" distinction in a crowd. Maybe it was easier (and cheaper) to "ret-con" the khakis as warrant officer uniforms and kind of sneak by on the collar insignia (which had little chance with a crowd like this :-)), rather than go through the cost and time of developing new insignia.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::There's that too, but it's fiction, so why not? But the other other points that speak against being all khakis = WOs. For example that the uniform is used a lot (there shouldn't be that many WOs from what I understand), is also used by Marine Sergeants (and others) and also worn by a lot of young crewmen. Warrant officers should generally be a bit older I think. It might have been thought of that way, but I don't think the wardrobe department really adheres to it closely. Not that I blame them. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I don't know, this list is a little confusing, it seems like it's a combination of marine and fleet ranks. When you get a chance Joe, I'd like to say a side by side break down of rank equivalents, I have some other questions regarding this list but I'll hold them because I think a side-by-side might answer them. Particularly because some of Joe's comments seem to contradict what we have known up to know.<br />
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I'm sure you guys have all seen the graphical rank guide put out by somebody (I can't remember the name of the top of my head but I'd be interested both to see the next update and how the new information jibes with the current version. Does anybody know how to contact this guy?-- [[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 15:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::You might be referring to Jim Stevenson's article on galactica.tv: http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/the-history-of-the-rank-insignia-chart-for-battlestar-galactica-2003.html<br />
::IMO, I think his observations and analysis are about as speculative as the discussion in this wiki.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Fred, RDM and co. are following their own conventions; they don't have to mirror real-world conventions, at all, despite the wishes of some. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm just saying ... have there been any references, on-screen or in production notes, of "sr-lieutenant"? Lieutenant and jr-lieutenant have been used in scripts and on props to-date, as far as I know ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yes, numerous times. Where, pray tell, do you think I got the above list? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So any idea about the enlisted ranks that are missing but have been mentioned in ''dialogue'' (most notably "petty officer second class"). "Specialist" has been mentioned numerous times and is on the list, but PO2 is not on it. If that can't be resolved, it's not really much better than what we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I realize that Stevenson's model is just as much speculation as ours but I thought it might be helpful to coordinate with him so we can get a consistent image for the new rank insignia's we know know as well as give proposals for ranks that are now known to exist but for which ranks haven't been developed. Right now the Lt. Col. image sticks out because it doesn't show the fringes colors like all the officers I have a version from his sheet that shows it only with white fringe, (at the time it had only been seen worn by Dualla). Also I think now that we know the the insignia for Apprentice/Private First Class, its easy to conclude that their is indeed an insignia for recruit/private because without one, the trend from Apprentice/PFC to Specialist/Corporal to PO2/Sergeant doesn't make sense.<br />
<br />
While I'm at it I'd like to propose a new tentative ranks structure based on what new information we now have. Of course this is subject to change when Joe gets more info but I want to run what I've got by all of you and see if I'm missing something or have something confused.<br />
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*Flag Officer<br />
**Admiral<br />
**Rear Admiral<br />
*Senior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Commander<br />
**Colonel<br />
**Lieutenant Colonel<br />
*Junior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Major<br />
**Captain<br />
**Senior Lieutenant<br />
**Junior Lieutenant<br />
**Ensign<br />
*Senior Enlisted (Non-Commissioned Officer)<br />
**Master Chief Petty Officer/Sergeant-Major<br />
**Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant<br />
**Chief Petty Officer/Gunnery Sergeant<br />
**Petty Officer First Class/Sergeant First Class<br />
**Petty Officer Second Class/Sergeant<br />
*Junior Enlisted<br />
**Specialist/Corporal<br />
**Apprentice/Private First Class<br />
**Recruit/Private<br />
<br />
Also, I want to clarify two things with Joe: First, it appears from something you wrote above that you believe Tyrol was a Senior Chief Petty Officer instead of just plain Chief. Is that true? Second, are there supposed to be separate rank insignia for warrant officers or are they supposed to be simply identified by their uniform color.<br />
<br />
Finally I'm kinda wondering if there are multiple grades of warrant officer like their are in the U.S. military.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I need to make something a bit clear here. Firstly, the costuming / props department has not made a new rank for every single specialist (whether that be SP1, SP2, SP3). Figurski wears the same pins that Cally does, for instance. Also, with regard to the Lt. Col. pins, one of the judges (the African one) from "Crossroads" wears these pins on his own uniform, though is not part of the Col. Military. So... when it comes to the accouterments of b.g. officers, they're not really anal about it. And speaking of the Lt. Col pins, there's at least one or two offers in the blue BDUs that wear them, simply because they're not enough pins to go around. (Or not enough on the truck, or whatever.) <br />
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: As for Tyrol, since there are other petty officers aboard (i.e. [[Basim]] and [[Peter Laird]]), it would make the most sense. In any event, he wears the pins.<br />
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: For the ranking system itself... it wasn't meant to be overly analyzed like what we're doing. As RDM indicated, it is derived from TOS—which I personally believe to be a serious mistake—so it was already FUBARed from the start. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== References ==<br />
The references currently aren't showing up. I've checked the page in K-Meleon and IE6. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I tried it in IE7 and it doesn't work when I'm logged out. Logging in will display the references. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Frak. I'll try to fix that tonight. I think we may just need to update the extension... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Recent Updates ==<br />
<br />
As the freeze period has expired I decided to make some updates which I thought seemed appropriate. In the interest of avoiding another edit war I'd like to elaborate a little on those changes which I think are most likely to be controversial.<br />
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*I have once again removed the rank of Vice Admiral, I know this has been a sore point between me and some others but with lieutenant colonel, their are now ten confirmed officer ranks which already is starting to make the rank structure pretty top heavy especially given that in the U.S. Military there are usually ten officer ranks and nine enlisted ranks. Currently we have ten confirmed officer ranks and only seven confirmed enlisted ranks (eight if you include senior chief petty officer which hasn't been proven). I think it highly unlikely that there would be such a discrepency in the number of ranks between the two corps (officers v. enlisted). I have left senior chief petty officer because I think it is at least possible that such a rank may exist, although I am by no means sold on it..<br />
*As for the Marine Ranks: The ranks of private, private first class, and sergeant major have already been established both as ranks and as to their position in the rank structure. In addition, the ranks of Corporal, Sergeant and Gunnery Sergeant have been established as existing but their place in the structure hasn't been definitively established. To fill out the gap between sergeant and gunnery sergeant (as well as to confirm the places of the other ranks that are as of yet unconfirmed as to position, I have relied on Joe's post indicating a partial rank listing. In that posting he mentions both sergeant and sergeant first class as distinct ranks and also notes that sergeant first class shares the same insignia as petty officer first class. If we assume that this information is correct we then have enough information to definitively name and place all the marine enlisted ranks. That is how I have derived the current structure.<br />
*I also have removed marine "lieutenant" Terry Burrell from the officer example list since, as was already indicated on the page in a footnote, his place in the rank structure is not definitively known.<br />
*As noted in the footnotes, the reason for my changing the rank of deckhand also is derived from Joe's post. It's also partly inspired by my own personal belief that deckhand doesn't really sound like a rank. However as their is generally hostility to changes based only on personal inclinations (and perhaps rightly so), I have only changed it now based on the new information provided by Joe.<br />
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I also have a couple questions:<br />
*How is that some you are able to include brief comments in your history logs?<br />
*How does one upload pictures? I have a better version (though still not consistent with the others for the crewman/private first class insignia but I don't know how to post it.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 17:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=167833Military Ranks (RDM)2008-09-13T17:44:35Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
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== Rank table ==<br />
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This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (vice admiral, senior chief petty officer). Speculative ranks are marked with "(s)".<br />
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The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
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The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
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{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew decided to use the same insignia for both admiral ranks. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold bars (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. For example in [[:Image:Lt col fisk ref photo from 401-402.jpg|this photo]]. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*Fisk's uniform piping is the same red/white as on a colonel's uniform.<br />
*It is possible just as Lee Adama's promotion to commander was a brevet promotion (this is the only explanation for why he returns to major after the loss of the Pegasus as it is unlikely that his father would have demoted him), that Dualla was also given a brevet promotion to lieutenant colonel when she became XO of Pegasus but unlike Lee, was referred to by her permanent rank in normal conversation. This makes sense when you consider that even given the fact that Pegasus was on a skeleton crew (most of the crew had moved down to the surface of New Caprica), there would definitely have been at least a handful of officers besides Lee who would otherwise outrank her and make it impossible for her to be an effective XO without a brevet promotion.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]], [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialogue, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]".</ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Master Sergeant <ref>The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks.<br />
*The term sergeant first class is never used on screen however it is used here because internal documents list the marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources including the Ron Moore's blog refer to this rank as "deckhand" however, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is likely just a costuming necessity. While the costuming department doesn't appear to have produced a separate ensign insignia yet, the Colonial military would probably use different ones to distinguish the two ranks.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:Private pins.jpg|100px]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others whereing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<br />
<br />
==Additional Images==<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=167832Military Ranks (RDM)2008-09-13T17:42:53Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
<hr />
<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
__TOC__<br />
== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (vice admiral, senior chief petty officer). Speculative ranks are marked with "(s)".<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew decided to use the same insignia for both admiral ranks. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold chevrons (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. For example in [[:Image:Lt col fisk ref photo from 401-402.jpg|this photo]]. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*Fisk's uniform piping is the same red/white as on a colonel's uniform.<br />
*It is possible just as Lee Adama's promotion to commander was a brevet promotion (this is the only explanation for why he returns to major after the loss of the Pegasus as it is unlikely that his father would have demoted him), that Dualla was also given a brevet promotion to lieutenant colonel when she became XO of Pegasus but unlike Lee, was referred to by her permanent rank in normal conversation. This makes sense when you consider that even given the fact that Pegasus was on a skeleton crew (most of the crew had moved down to the surface of New Caprica), there would definitely have been at least a handful of officers besides Lee who would otherwise outrank her and make it impossible for her to be an effective XO without a brevet promotion.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]], [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialogue, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]".</ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Master Sergeant <ref>The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks.<br />
*The term sergeant first class is never used on screen however it is used here because internal documents list the marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as sergeant first class.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources including the Ron Moore's blog refer to this rank as "deckhand" however, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is likely just a costuming necessity. While the costuming department doesn't appear to have produced a separate ensign insignia yet, the Colonial military would probably use different ones to distinguish the two ranks.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:Private pins.jpg|100px]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others whereing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<br />
<br />
==Additional Images==<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=167830Military Ranks (RDM)2008-09-13T17:27:02Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
<hr />
<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
__TOC__<br />
== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (vice admiral, senior chief petty officer). Speculative ranks are marked with "(s)".<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew decided to use the same insignia for both admiral ranks. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold chevrons (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': <br />
*This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. For example in [[:Image:Lt col fisk ref photo from 401-402.jpg|this photo]]. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. <br />
*Fisk's uniform piping is the same red/white as on a colonel's uniform.<br />
*It is possible just as Lee Adama's promotion to commander was a brevet promotion (this is the only explanation for why he returns to major after the loss of the Pegasus as it is unlikely that his father would have demoted him), that Dualla was also given a brevet promotion to lieutenant colonel when she became XO of Pegasus but unlike Lee, was referred to by her permanent rank in normal conversation. This makes sense when you consider that even given the fact that Pegasus was on a skeleton crew (most of the crew had moved down to the surface of New Caprica), there would definitely have been at least a handful of officers besides Lee who would otherwise outrank her and make it impossible for her to be an effective XO without a brevet promotion.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]], [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialogue, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]".</ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Master Sergeant <ref>The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks.<br />
*The sergeant first class is never used on however it is used here because internal documents list the marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as Sergeant First Class.<br />
*The direct equivalent in both the U.S. Army and Marine Corps is staff sergeant and while the U.S. Army does have a rank of sergeant first class (the U.S. Marine Corps doesn't), it is the equivalent of a Marine Corps gunnery sergeant or U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources including the Ron Moore's blog refer to this rank as "deckhand" however, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is likely just a costuming necessity. While the costuming department doesn't appear to have produced a separate ensign insignia yet, the Colonial military would probably use different ones to distinguish the two ranks.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:Private pins.jpg|100px]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others whereing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<br />
<br />
==Additional Images==<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
<br />
[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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[[Category:A to Z]] <br />
[[Category:Colonial]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military]]<br />
[[Category:Colonial Military (RDM)]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]<br />
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[[de:Militärische Ränge (RDM)]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Ranks_(RDM)&diff=167829Military Ranks (RDM)2008-09-13T17:21:02Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>:''For the rank structure of the [[Original Series]], see [[Military Ranks (TOS)]]''<br />
__TOC__<br />
== Rank table ==<br />
<br />
This table is largely based on an older blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]], in which he replies to a question about the show's rank structure (see ''[[#Official Statements|Official Statements]]'' below). It has been expanded a little to include additional ranks that have been established since then (lieutenant colonel, rear admiral) and ones they may likely exist as well (vice admiral, senior chief petty officer). Speculative ranks are marked with "(s)".<br />
<br />
The ranks are a mix of naval and army/air force ranks, which is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], but mirror naval practices in execution. It is possible to create a rough equivalence to real world armed forces. However, while the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] has many parallels with modern armed forces it is a fictional organization and diverges from reality in certain places, for example in the duties of commanders and admirals, or the place of the [[CAG]] within the ship's hierarchy.<br />
<br />
The officer ranks of the [[Colonial Marine Corps]] of have yet to be established on screen (with the exception of lieutenant) or by official sources and thus are not listed here. The Marine Corps's enlisted ranks seen so far mirror real world ranks.<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" style="width:100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"<br />
|- class="infoboxheader"<br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL FLEET RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''COLONIAL MARINE RANK''' <br />
! style="font-size:100%;" align="left" valign="middle" | '''EXAMPLE'''<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''FLAG OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Admiral <ref name="adm">'''Admiral''': [[Corman]] wears the same admiral insignia as Adama and Cain, but with thick gold piping on his duty uniform. This raises the question of how a rear admiral can be distinguished from a full admiral in dress uniform, given that dress uniforms have no colored piping. It can be speculated that, as has been the case with the ranks of ensign and lieutenant junior grade, the production crew decided to use the same insignia for both admiral ranks. It would normally be expected that different admiral grades would be distinguished by the number of gold chevrons (for example one set for a rear admiral, etc).</ref>||<br />
| [[Nagala]], [[Corman]]<br />
|-<br />
| Rear Admiral <ref name="ra">'''Rear Admiral''':<br />
*The [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|extended version]] of the episode "Pegasus", Adama states "Fleet promoted her to rear admiral over half of the commanders on the list.", thus establishing this rank.<br />
*When Adama is promoted to admiral in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" his new rank insignia are identical to Cain's.<br />
*Cain seems to command both her battlestar and its [[Battlestar Group]]. In modern practice, a captain commands only the ship, while a rear admiral is in charge of the Carrier Strike Group.<br />
*While Cain wears a regular rear admiral's duty uniform with gold-over-silver piping, Adama continues to wear his commander's duty uniform with red-over-gold piping after his promotion to admiral. From a production point of view, this was most likely done so that the crew didn't have to create a new set of uniforms for the actor, but can be explained in-universe by the lack of male admiral uniforms in the Fleet's stores following the attack on the Twelve Colonies.<br />
</ref><br />
|<br />
| [[Helena Cain]], [[William Adama]] (Season 2.5+) ||<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Commander ||<br />
| [[William Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Barry Garner]] (Season 2.5), [[Jack Fisk]] (Season 2.5), [[Lee Adama]] (Season 2.5-Season 3.0)<br />
|-<br />
| Colonel ||<br />
| [[Saul Tigh]], [[Jurgen Belzen]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant Colonel <ref name="LtCol">'''Lieutenant Colonel''': This information [[Sources:Jack Fisk|comes from production materials]], which note [[Jack Fisk]]'s rank as lieutenant colonel in the portions of "[[Razor]]" before [[Jurgen Belzen]] is executed. For example in [[:Image:Lt col fisk ref photo from 401-402.jpg|this photo]]. Fisk wears different rank insignia from the normal colonel insignia, as seen [[:Image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|here]] and [[:Image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|here]]. These insignia appear to have been previously used for [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", but she is identified as a lieutenant in dialogue. Fisk's uniform piping is the same red/white as on a colonel's uniform.</ref> ||<br />
| [[Jack Fisk]] ([[Razor]])<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER'''<br />
|-<br />
| Major ||<br />
| [[Jackson Spencer]], [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]], [[Kendra Shaw]], [[Lee Adama]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Captain ||<br />
| [[Lee Adama]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Kara Thrace]] (Season 2.5+), [[Aaron Kelly]], [[Karl Agathon]] (Season 3+)<br />
|-<br />
| Lieutenant ||<br />
| [[Kara Thrace]] (Miniseries-Season 2.5), [[Karl Agathon]] (Miniseries-Season 2)<ref name="helo">Agathon states his rank as "lieutenant junior grade" in "[[33]]", but he consistently wears the rank insignia of a full lieutenant.</ref>, [[Louanne Katraine]] (Season 1-2)<br />
|-<br />
| Junior Lieutenant <ref>'''Junior Lieutenant''': The term "junior lieutenant" (or JRLT in short) is used in props and behind the scenes documentation. For example on Boomer's [[:Image:Boomer Raptor.JPG|Raptor nameplate]] in the [[Miniseries]] and Kara Thrace's disciplinary records in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". In dialogue, "lieutenant, junior grade" has been used a few times, for example by Karl Agathon in "[[33]]".</ref> ||<br />
| [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Season 2+)<br />
|-<br />
| Ensign ||<br />
| [[Davis]], [[Diana Seelix]] (Season 3+), [[Samuel Anders]] (Season 4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''SENIOR ENLISTED (NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER)'''<br />
|-<br />
| Master Chief Petty Officer || Sergeant Major<br />
| [[Socrata Thrace]] ([[Marines|CMC]], retired)<br />
|-<br />
| Senior Chief Petty Officer || Master Sergeant <ref>The ranks of senior chief petty officer and master sergeant are speculative and have not been established on screen or by other sources.</ref><br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| Chief Petty Officer || Gunnery Sergeant<br />
| [[Galen Tyrol]] (Miniseries-Season 4), [[Erin Mathias]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Peter Laird]]<br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 1st Class || Sergeant First Class <ref name="hadrian">'''Sergeant First Class''': <br />
*In "[[Litmus]]" Sergeant [[Hadrian]] wears insignia listed here as petty officer 1st class. While she is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]], it is possible that some or all rank insignia are used in both services to denote equivalent ranks.<br />
*The sergeant first class is never used on however it is used here because internal documents list the marine rank associated with the single chevron on green background worn by Hadrian (and shared with the rank of petty officer first class) as Sergeant First Class.<br />
*The direct equivalent in both the U.S. Army and Marine Corps is staff sergeant and while the U.S. Army does have a rank of sergeant first class (the U.S. Marine Corps doesn't), it is the equivalent of a Marine Corps gunnery sergeant or U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer.</ref><br />
| [[Hadrian]] ([[Marines|CMC]]) <br />
|-<br />
| Petty Officer 2nd Class || Sergeant<br />
| [[Anastasia Dualla]] (Miniseries-Season 2), [[Cally Henderson]] (Season 3-4)<br />
|-<br />
| class="infoboxheader" colspan="3" align=center style="font-size:95%;" | '''JUNIOR ENLISTED'''<br />
|-<br />
| Specialist <ref>'''Specialist''': The end credits for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" and "[[Revelations]]" list [[Anthony Figurski]] as specialist, 3rd class. Furthermore the rank of specialist, 2nd class was mentioned by writer [[Bradley Thompson]] in the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive7#Chief_Tyrol_.26_his_.27Knuckledragger_Crew.27.2C_Will_we_see_more.3F|Official Communiques]]. This indicates that there are three subdivisions for this rank which are used in the scripts. However, these ranks have not been used in dialogue yet and only a single rank insignia for specialists has been established so far.</ref> || Corporal<br />
| [[Cally Henderson]] (Miniseries-Season 3), [[Socinus]], [[Prosna]], [[Venner]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Crewman <ref name = "crewman">'''Crewman''': Many sources including the Ron Moore's blog refer to this rank as "deckhand" however, more recent internal documents reveal the rank to be "crewman."</ref> || Private First Class<br />
| [[Scott Kelso]] ([[Marines|CMC]]), [[Stewart Jaffee]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
| Recruit || Private <ref>'''Recruit/Private''': It is possible that the ranks of recruit and private have no insignia at all, possibly explaining why they haven't been seen on screen yet. In many real-world military forces including all U.S. services except for the coast guard, soldiers don't receive their first stripe until completing basic training when they are promoted to the next higher rank. However if one were to assume that their is an insignia for the ranks, the most likely candidate would be a solid silver diamond on a green background which could be derived by extending downward the trend established by the rank insignias for the ranks of crewman/private first class, specialist/corporal, and petty officer second class/sergeant.</ref><br />
| [[Sykes]] ([[Marines|CMC]])<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Insignia==<br />
<br />
{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="4"<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin1.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-AdmiralPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CommanderPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-ColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LtColonelPin.jpg]]<br />
|-<br />
| '''Admiral''' <ref name="adm"/><br />
| '''Rear Admiral''' <ref name="ra"/><br />
| '''Commander'''<br />
| '''Colonel'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant Colonel''' <ref name="LtCol"/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-MajorPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CaptainPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTsgPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-LTjgPin.jpg|-]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Major'''<br />
| '''Captain'''<br />
| '''Lieutenant'''<br />
| '''Junior Lieutenant/<br/>Ensign'''<ref>'''Lieutenant Junior Grade/Ensign''': The use of junior lieutenant insignia for the rank of ensign in episodes like "[[Scar]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]" is likely just a costuming necessity. While the costuming department doesn't appear to have produced a separate ensign insignia yet, the Colonial military would probably use different ones to distinguish the two ranks.</ref><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Senior Enlisted/Non-Commissioned Officers'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-CPOPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO1Pin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-PO2Pin.jpg]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Chief Petty Officer (CF)/<br/>Gunnery Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Petty Officer 1st Class (CF)/<br/>Sergeant First Class (CMC)''' <ref name="hadrian"/><br />
| '''Petty Officer 2nd Class (CF)/<br/> Sergeant (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="5" class="infoboxheader" | '''Junior Enlisted Personnel'''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Image:NBSG-SpecialistPin.jpg]]<br />
| [[Image:Private pins.jpg|100px]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| '''Specialist (CF)/<br/>Corporal (CMC)'''<br />
| '''Crewman (CF)/<br/>Private First Class (CMC)'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
These pictures were created by Jim Stevenson a.k.a. "137th Gebirg".<br />
Insignia for the other ranks have yet to be shown on screen and thus aren't listed here.<br />
<br />
Senior officers' ranks can also be identified by the color of the piping on their [[Uniforms (RDM)|uniforms]]. While the only person ever officially designated as lieutenant colonel (Jack Fisk in Razor) wore the same red over white piping as a full colonel, since the insignia has also been used by others whereing the simple junior officer white piping, no piping is shown in the illustration.<br />
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==Additional Images==<br />
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Image:CommanderInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Commander rank pin in detail<br />
Image:CPOInsigniaPhoto.jpg|Chief Petty Officer pin in detail<br />
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==Official Statements==<br />
*In a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000020 blog entry] on February 19, 2005 Ronald Moore gave a little insight into the rank structure of Battlestar Galactica:<br />
<blockquote>"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant [sic] with the Navy." <br><br />
'''<br />
The rank structure is derived from the original series. I didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama or Colonel Tigh to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br><br />
'''<br />
Officers:<br />
*Admiral<br />
*Commander<br />
*Colonel<br />
*Major<br />
*Captain<br />
*Lieutenant<br />
*Lieutenant Junior Grade<br />
*Ensign<br />
'''<br />
Enlisted:<br />
*Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Chief Petty Officer<br />
*Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
*Specialist<br />
*Deck Hand<br />
*Recruit<br />
'''<br />
Just to complicate matters further, there are also Marines aboard ''Galactica'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors (sic), etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked?</blockquote><br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[Uniforms (RDM)]] - Uniforms of the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
* [[Insignia (RDM)]] - Additional insignia and patches for uniforms in the Re-Imagined Series.<br />
* [[Military Ranks (TOS)]] - Ranks of the [[Original Series]].<br />
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==External Links==<br />
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[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html A detailed analysis] of ''Battlestar Galactica'''s uniform devices by Jim Stevenson. Also the source for this article's images.<br />
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|name=Stewart Jaffee<br />
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|seen=A Day in the Life<br />
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|role=Marine, ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br />
|actor=[[Michael Leisen]]<br />
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Private '''Stewart Jaffee''' is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]] serving on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. <br />
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He is tasked with bringing Admiral [[William Adama]] his coffee in the morning and presumably other meals ([[A Day in the Life]]).<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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* Jaffee's first name, "Stewart", is not mentioned in the dialogue, but is derived from the end credits of "[[A Day in the Life]]".<br />
* On screen Jafee is only referred to as "private" however the insignia he is seen wearing indicates that he is actually a private first class, it's possible that, as is common in some real-world services (although notably, not the U.S. Marine Corps where the full rank is always used even informally), private first class may commonly be shortened to private when used informally in the Colonial military.<br />
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|seen=A Day in the Life<br />
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|role=Marine, ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br />
|actor=[[Michael Leisen]]<br />
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Private '''Stewart Jaffee''' is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]] serving on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. <br />
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He is tasked with bringing Admiral [[William Adama]] his coffee in the morning and presumably other meals ([[A Day in the Life]]).<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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* Jaffee's first name, "Stewart", is not mentioned in the dialogue, but is derived from the end credits of "[[A Day in the Life]]".<br />
* On screen Jafee is only referred to as "private" however the insignia he is seen wearing indicates that he is actually a private first class, it's possible that, as is common in some real-world services (although notably, not the U.S. Marine Corps where the full rank is always used even informally), private first class may commonly be shortened to private when used informally.<br />
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[[Category: RDM]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Louanne_Katraine&diff=167727Louanne Katraine2008-09-10T20:35:14Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>: ''If you were looking for the entry on cats in general, see: [[Cat]].''<br />
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|callsign= Kat<br />
|seen= Act of Contrition<br />
|death= Radiation poisoning ([[The Passage]])<br />
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|role= CAG (posthumous promotion)<br />
|rank= Lieutenant<br />
|actor= [[Luciana Carro]]<br />
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'''Louanne "Kat" Katraine''' was the assumed name of a young woman named Sasha, a drug runner on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] with flying experience ([[The Passage]]). She is selected as a candidate pilot ("[[nugget]]") for [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] training under the command of Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] ([[Act of Contrition]]). While she is a new pilot, she has a taste for fighting, and is often on the front lines when ''[[Galactica]]'' engages [[Cylon (RDM)|Cylon]] forces. She becomes ''Galactica''&#39; [[CAG]] during the colonization and occupation period of [[New Caprica]].<br />
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She is headstrong, arrogant and assertive, which are traits she shares with Starbuck, and the two clash frequently. At the same time, Katraine is loyal to her friends and always tries to protect the pilots around and under her from dangers or perceived injustices.<br />
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Katraine dies after receiving cumulatively fatal radiation exposure while escorting civilian ships through a star cluster to a planet with a food source ([[The Passage]]). <br />
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== Biography ==<br />
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Katraine's real name is actually Sasha. She took the name "Louanne Katraine" from a girl who died two days before [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|the attack]]. She was a drug runner in the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] working for a person named [[Enzo]] ([[The Passage]]).<br />
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Katraine is selected from relative obscurity to become one of ''[[Galactica]]'''s first intake of trainee pilots after 13 experienced pilots were killed in a freak accident ([[Act of Contrition]]).<br />
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Described as a "boonie jumper", Katraine is placed under the instruction of [[Kara Thrace]], alongside nugget pilots [[Brendan Costanza]] and [[Perry]], with whom she forms a friendship.<br />
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Thrown in at the deep end - flying [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] on their very first day of training, none of the nuggets perform particularly well - Kat in particular fails to make a [[combat landing]] on ''Galactica''. Thrace washes out the entire group of candidates until Commander [[William Adama]] later forces Thrace to reinstate them.<br />
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Katraine's training continues until she is selected to fly with [[Lee Adama]] during a raid to secure a [[tylium]] mine from the Cylons ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). Her fellow nuggets [[Perry]] and [[Stepchild]] are killed in this action, but she and [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] survive and are greeted as heroes on their return to ''Galactica''.<br />
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Kat participates in the defense of ''Galactica'' when the battlestar becomes separated from [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], and has to face down a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in order to relocate it ([[Scattered]]).<br />
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After Lee Adama's defection to the [[Laura Roslin faction]], his replacement, the newly promoted Captain [[George Birch]] negligently endangers Katraine during a training exercise. She is almost killed when Birch incorrectly directs her to attack an asteroid target as [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] fires a missile at the target. Katraine's improving piloting skills save her from a dangerous collision with debris ([[Home, Part I]]).<br />
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Kat is later promoted from cadet to the rank of lieutenant. She becomes increasingly exhausted with the mounting pressures of service in the Fleet with long hours, constant danger, and no possiblity of reinforcement. While trying to combat her fatigue, Kat becomes dependent on [[stims]], of which the effects of their overuse make her emotionally unstable. She "moons" a documentary crew for her "buddies" on [[Freighter 212]], berates Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] for mechanical failures that are beyond his control, and later crashes her Viper into the [[landing bay]], totalling the vehicle ("[[Final Cut]]", "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]"). She is pulled from flight status for some time, but is reinstated by the time that the advanced battlestar ''Pegasus'' joins the Fleet , when she flies wingman to [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] on [[Combat Air Patrol|CAP]] when first contact is made with ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''.<br />
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In the wake of Admiral Cain's integration of ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''' officers, Kat appears to have been made the acting-CAG of ''Galactica'' flight team. With Starbuck and Apollo both transferred to ''Pegasus'' and the failure of Cpt. [[George Birch]] as [[CAG]] during Lee Adama's absence, Katraine appears to be the most likely choice to fill the command vacuum. She is flight leader of the Viper wing that stands off against the ''Pegasus'' Vipers. In spite of making repeated requests for firing clearance, she manages to keep the situation from degenerating into a fire fight, and avoids several collision attempts in the fighters' deadly "chicken" game, each attempting to force the other side to fire first ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).<br />
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On day 189 of the human exodus, Kat is assigned CAP with [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]. Kat's maturity and past insensitivity show growth when Starbuck orders her to stop her small talk about Starbuck's off-hours behavior, which Kat does so without skipping a beat and returns to business by requesting permission to do a weapons check. As Kat test-fires her Viper's guns, an ammo misfire destroys Kat's port gun and sends debris at Starbuck's Viper, cracking her cockpit window. The two declare an emergency and safely return to ''Galactica.'' The cause of the malfunction was soon determined to be sabotage later blamed on a civilian ammunition worker that is part of the [[Demand Peace]] movement ([[Epiphanies]]).<br />
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Katraine is more than personally upset with Starbuck's apparent behavior issues and doesn't really care. While Kat obviously admires Kara Thrace, she tires quickly of Starbuck's drinking and bragging, which is affecting her work, and in turn affecting the pilots, especially the [[nugget]]s. Fed up with Starbuck's lording over the "Top Gun" beer stein as well as the rampaging Raider ace known as "[[Scar (Raider)|Scar]]," Kat makes a bet with Starbuck on who will destroy the morale-sucking Raider first.<br />
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Kat manages pilot combat reviews, having become a highly skilled tactical pilot herself. She grimaces at Starbuck's inefficiencies and chimes in often to correct or chide Starbuck, much to Thrace's chagrin. Things come to a head in their rivalry when Kat openly criticizes Starbuck for substituting [[Jo-Jo]] for patrol rather than flying herself (she awoke that morning hungover and unable to fly). Jo-Jo and his wingman are both killed, and Kat is incensed. But instead of Starbuck delivering the first punch, it's Kat that delivers it. Their fight is interrupted by Captain [[Lee Adama|Adama]], who orders them on patrol near the [[Big Spud]]. Kat and Starbuck find Scar, and Starbuck's Viper is damaged in a near-successful ambush. The consummate wingman, Kat continually speaks to Starbuck to get a bearing, although Starbuck resists out of pride rather than working jointly to destroy Scar. When Starbuck realizes that because of [[Samuel Anders]] she doesn't want to die in order to take Scar with her, she guides Kat in to her position, where Kat delivers the killing blow to Scar.<br />
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[[Image:Kat Scar.JPG|thumb|right|Kat triumphant ([[Scar]]).]]<br />
Kat chides Starbuck once more in the pilot's recreation room as she holds the Top Gun mug. Starbuck pours champagne in the mug and tells Kat, "You've earned it." Kat's slight smile in response is not only that of smugness, but also that of honor - for Starbuck to tell her that she was (at least for the time being) the best - is pleasing as a master would compliment a student ([[Scar]]). Kat's smugness is short-lived, as Starbuck offers a toast to all the pilots who died during their flight from the colonies. Overwhelmed with the memory of lost comrades, Kat nearly bursts into tears.<br />
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By the time of the Cylon invasion of [[New Caprica]], with Lee Adama in command of ''Pegasus'' and Kara Thrace having left the fleet and settled planetside, Katraine has been promoted to ''Galactica'''s [[CAG]] ([[Exodus, Part I]]). During the [[Battle of New Caprica]], she leads a group of Vipers escorting decoy [[Raptor]]s, and presumably assists in the defense of ''Galactica'' in the following space battle ([[Exodus, Part II]]). Following the destruction of ''Pegasus'', Lee Adama returns to ''Galactica'' and replaces Katraine as the CAG, who in turn becomes a squadron leader ("[[Torn]]", "[[The Passage]]").<br />
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[[Image:Promo - The Passage - Kat.jpg|thumb|left|One of Kat's final moments ([[The Passage]]).]] <br />
During a food shortage throughout the fleet, ''Galactica'''s pilots are tasked with safely guiding the civilian ships through a highly radioactive star cluster to a food source on the other side. During this time Katraine encounters [[Enzo]], who survived the attack and calls her by her real name, Sasha. Enzo confronts Katraine and threatens to reveal Kat's past to others unless she helps him. Thrace observes the argument and later confronts Enzo about it, who in turn reveals Katraine's secret to Thrace. Katraine confirms it to Thrace, who is angered over the secret, even suggesting that Kat could have possibly unknowingly aiding the Cylons in their infiltration of Caprica. Katraine begs Thrace not to tell Admiral Adama, saying that she wants to tell him herself.<br />
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Before the final trip through the passage, Katraine, who had already received a deadly dose of radiation on earlier trips, switches radiation badges with Helo. During the final trip, she loses track of the ''[[Faru Sadin]]'', but remains in the passage until she finds the vessel and joins the rest of the Fleet on the other side. Upon landing, Katraine is celebrated as a hero, but then succumbs to radiation poisoning and collapses on the flight deck.<br />
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On her deathbed, Katraine summons Thrace for a final reconciliation, and receives from Thrace an apology and a supply of [[sleeping pills]], enough for an overdose that would allow her to die painlessly. Admiral Adama also comes to visit Katraine and informs her of her promotion to CAG again. Kat tries telling him the truth about her past, but he cuts her off, saying he doesn't need to know any more than what she did while serving under him. He pulls up a chair to sit watch over her, and comforts her with how the sickbay reminds him of when his son, [[Zak Adama|Zak]], was born, and how he and Carolanne had wanted a girl. After Katraine's death, Admiral Adama symbolically replaces Lee Adama's name with hers in the pilot roster board's CAG slot while the pilots observe in silence. Thrace goes to the [[memorial hallway|wall of remembrance]] and adds Katraine's photo ([[The Passage]]).<br />
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==Notes== <br />
*Katraine's assumed first name, Louanne, was revealed in the episode "[[Final Cut]]" during her interview with [[D'Anna Biers]], although it is spelled as "Louann" in the closing credits (as it did before in "[[Home, Part I]]"). The spelling is corrected from "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]" on out.<br />
*It was initially assumed that some of Kat's family may have survived the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], as implied when Kat shouted "Hi, Mom!" while waving into the camera in "[[Final Cut]]". However, given what was revealed in "[[The Passage]]", it may have been fictitious.<br />
*Kat is featured in the XBOX 360 ''Battlestar Galactica'' game as one of the pilots the player competes with to shoot down the most ships and become ''Galactica'''s new top gun.<br />
*In the DVD commentary for "[[Act of Contrition]]", David Eick and Ron D. Moore elaborate on the increased role of the nugget pilots as the series progressed:<br />
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:Eick: This young actress playing Kat has proven to be--and there's Bodie Olmos, Eddie's son, in the center there who's Hot Dog, he's also become a recurring character.<br />
:RDM: Well those three in the front, [[Perry|Chuckles]], [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]], and Kat, they all became "pilots" to us. And I don't think we really had any expectation of that. The idea was we were going to do "the nuggets", "the new pilots", was just going to be its own kind of story, and ''maybe'' you might see one of these guys again later. And what started happening is the writers just started putting them in, like almost every scene that we dealt with the pilots (of Galactica) so these ''became'' our "recognizable faces".<br />
:Eick: Kat is quite fine. She's someone we're now talking about, and have already, built into a much more prominent character. She's just a really, really talented actor, and she's someone who in a very different way than Katee (Starbuck), just exemplifies that sort of masculine fortitude, despite being a woman, that is required to be a pilot like this. In one of the upcoming episodes ([[Scar]]), we're actually going to deal with the tension between Kara Thrace and Kat.<br />
:RDM: Yeah, what happens when your protege starts outdistancing you. What happens when you train this young pilot, and it's great that she's a hot shot and all that, and then wait a minute, what if she starts being better than you?<br />
*The [[:Image:Memorial8.jpg|current picture]] of Kat was the one placed on the [[memorial hallway]] ([[The Passage]])<br />
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<div>{{Character Data <br />
|photo= Anastasia Dualla.jpg<br />
|age=<br />
|colony= [[Sagittaron]]<br />
|birthname= Anastasia Dualla<br />
|callsign= <br />
|nickname= Dee<br />
|seen= Miniseries<br />
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|marital status= Separated from [[Lee Adama]]<br />(Dated [[Billy Keikeya]] †)<br />
|familytree=Y<br />
|role= CIC officer on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br />
|rank= Junior Lieutenant<br />
|actor= [[Kandyse McClure]]<br />
|serial=312374<ref>This information is from [[:Image:Dualla's dogtag serial.jpg|her dogtags]].</ref><br />
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'''Anastasia Dualla''' {{IPA|du.&#x02C8;&#x0251;.l&#x0259;}} is the former [[Communications Officer]] of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and was the [[Executive Officer]] of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' prior to its destruction. At she is married to but now separated from [[Lee Adama]].<br />
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== Biography ==<br />
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Dualla's father thought that her enlistment in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Reserve]] was crazy, and he viewed the military as a joke. She signed up anyway because she "wanted to believe in something." This rift with her father would continue throughout her service and the last time they spoke they got in a heated argument; three weeks later the Cylons attacked, and Dualla never got a chance to reconcile with him ([[Final Cut]]). His rejection of her career choice stems from traditional Sagittaron [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#Sagittaron beliefs|beliefs]] in pacifism, which Dualla does not share ([[The Woman King]]).<br />
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At the time of the [[Cylon attack]] she monitors Colonial Fleet communications traffic. Dualla is among the first to notice the unusually high levels of [[CNP|shipboard malfunctions and failures]] aboard other battlestars ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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After the Fleet's [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|initial escape and pursuit]] by the Cylons, Dualla coordinates Fleet activities such as [[FTL]] jumps with Tactical Officer [[Felix Gaeta]]. In this responsibility, she discovers that the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' fails to jump with the fleet after yet another jump ([[33]]). <br />
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Due to his attraction to Dualla, presidential aide [[Billy Keikeya]] "volunteers" her to join an off-ship mission to the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' ([[Bastille Day]]). Led by Captain [[Lee Adama]], the mission is to attempt enlistment of prisoners aboard the ''Astral Queen'' in resupplying ''Galactica'' with water following an act of sabotage ([[Water]]). During the mission, the team is taken hostage by prisoners during a jail break lead by fellow Sagittaron and political agitator [[Tom Zarek]].<br />
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[[Image:Dee and bee.jpg|thumb|left|'''Dualla''' and [[Billy Keikeya]] in the [[observation deck]] on a date ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])]]<br />
Freed without personal harm during this situation, Dualla returns Billy Keikeya's affections, and they date during off-duty periods ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).<br />
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When a party of [[Cylon Centurion|Cylons]] boards the ''Galactica'', Dualla suffers a concussion, but survives the engagement ([[Valley of Darkness]]). Later, Dualla aids in [[Laura Roslin]]'s escape from ''Galactica'' after the President's arrest by covering up the tracks of their secret communications coordinating their movements in the Fleet, and getting Colonel Tigh to sign permission to close off a causeway which they use as an escape route. At this time, Dualla seems to take a greater personal interest in [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).<br />
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Dualla is assigned to give [[D'Anna Biers]] a tour around the battlestar as part of Biers' documentary of the ship ([[Final Cut]]). Lee Adama seems to return Dualla's personal attraction during a sparring exercise with the petty officer ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).<br />
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Dualla's [[avionics]] training helps in building a stable communications package for the experimental [[Blackbird]] fighter ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).<br />
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Keikeya, apparently attempting to solidify his relationship with the petty officer, proposes to Dualla, but she refuses. Keikeya later sees Dualla with Lee Adama on ''[[Cloud 9]]'' and accuses her of leading him on. Shortly after Keikeya's accusation, four terrorists commandeer the lounge and its occupants and demand the surrender of [[Sharon Valerii]]. When a ruse by Admiral [[William Adama]] is discovered, the [[Sesha Abinell|leader]] of the the terrorists orders Dualla's death. Keikeya intervenes and manages to shoot one of the terrorists, but Keikeya is also fatally wounded. In the same battle, Lee Adama is left severely wounded from a friendly-fire incident during an ill-fated reconnaissance by [[Kara Thrace]]. Dualla promises to watch over Lee Adama until he recovers in [[sickbay]]. When he finally regained consciousness, Dualla was so happy that neither of them noticed Thrace leaving the sickbay with a heartbroken expression ([[Sacrifice]]).<br />
[[Image:Dee LDYBPII2.JPG|thumb|Dualla as Executive Officer of ''Pegasus'' ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).]]<br />
A few months later, still involved with Apollo, Dualla assists in the counting of ballots for the Presidential election. Dualla conspires with [[Tory Foster]] and [[Saul Tigh]] to rig the election in Roslin's favor, indicating that she comprehends the disaster that would follow if [[Gaius Baltar]] is elected. Though the plot initially succeeds, Lt. Gaeta's curiosity leads to Admiral Adama's discovery of the duplicity.<br />
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== Colonization of New Caprica ==<br />
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A few months later, Dualla has received a lieutenant's commission and is an officer now. Her transfer to ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was approved on Founders' Day - the official groundbreaking of [[New Caprica City]], but she is still trying to keep her relationship with Lee Adama from becoming too public.<br />
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On the night of Founders' Day, Lee Adama spends a night with Thrace. The following morning, however, upon seeing that Thrace and Anders eloped, Lee proposes to Dualla and holds her affectionately in public. Dualla is aware of his love for Thrace, but likely doesn't know that they slept together. However, she says that life is good at the moment and that they should make the best of it until the Cylons show up again. She tells Adama that this is the happiest state she has ever seen him in and agrees to marry him ([[Unfinished Business (Extended Version)]]).<br />
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She subsequently serves as communications and executive officer on ''Pegasus'', part of its skeletal crew in orbit around [[New Caprica]]. She answers the communication from Kara Thrace on New Caprica, who wants to ask Commander Adama for [[antibiotics]] for [[Samuel Anders|her husband]]. While Adama is on the phone, Dualla identifies sudden [[DRADIS]] contacts of a large [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] fleet ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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Four months after leaving New Caprica, [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] decides to go through with a hazardous rescue operation. Dualla visibly disapproves of her father-in-law's decision to grant amnesty and a commission to [[Sharon Agathon]] and assign her as the liaison officer with the [[New Caprica Resistance]] ([[Precipice]]). Dualla tries to reassure her husband after Admiral Adama decides to take ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' alone on the New Caprica rescue mission ([[Exodus, Part I]]). She appears visibly pleased when her husband defies orders and sacrifices ''Pegasus'' to save ''Galactica'' and the reassembled Fleet ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br />
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==After the Second Exodus==<br />
Dualla returns periodically to her old post in ''Galactica's'' CIC after the Battle of New Caprica, but also has greater responsibilities in shepherding civilians on ''Galactica'' during a harrowing journey through a [[Passage (star cluster)|dangerous star cluster]] to a [[Algae planet|planet filled with edible algae]] ([[The Passage]]). Dualla and Samuel Anders are also witness to what appears to be both a feud and not-so-veiled affection between her husband and Anders' wife during a boxing match where Major Adama and Captain Thrace beat each other to exhaustion ([[Unfinished Business]]).<br />
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After Cylons arrive at the algae planet, Dualla must shift her time to coordinate a defensive plan for the mysterious [[Temple of Five]]. She is ordered by her husband to rescue Starbuck after her [[Raptor]] is downed by a Cylon missile. Despite being quite aware of her husband's affair with Thrace, she rescues Thrace, repairs the [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series#Avionics|avionics]], and, with Thrace's guidance, flies the Raptor back to ''Galactica'' herself despite her own lack of pilot training as Starbuck's hands are too badly burned for her to fly ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Rapture]]").<br />
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Dualla confronts her husband about their marriage and its problems. She believes it to be a lie, but indicates she will not interfere if Adama chose to pursue his relationship with Kara Thrace. Adama breaks off his affair and reconciles ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).<br />
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Dualla contracts [[Mellorak sickness]] as do many other fellow Sagittarons (housed [[Dogsville|as refugees]] on the battlestar). While Dualla does not share the same beliefs of other Sagittarons regarding medical care and the military, she seeks treatment from Dr. [[Michael Robert]], a civilian doctor, because her unspecified dislike for Doctor [[Cottle]]. A plot is soon discovered where the doctor is killing Sagittarons he treats, and [[Karl Agathon]] rushes in to save Dualla. Fortunately, Dr. Robert had administered the correct medication to Dualla, giving exception due to her military service ([[The Woman King]]).<br />
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When her husband chooses to defend Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] in his trial, Dualla is incensed, and separates from Adama ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Later, when Adama officially leaves ''Galactica'' to start his new life a civilian, the two embrace and he tells her that she "got the house", implying that their breakup is final yet, in the end, amicable ([[Six of One]]).<br />
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She works closely with her estranged husband when, as Acting President, Lee takes command of the fleet during his father's emotional incapacity and threatens to execute [[Saul Tigh]], [[Samuel Anders]], and [[Galen Tyrol]] unless [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|Number Three]] releases her human hostages ([[Revelations]]). Dualla addresses him as "Mr. President" when notifying him of incoming communication, but does not demonstrate any of the animosity, disapproval nor hostility toward him as she periodically did aboard ''Pegasus'' and the algae planet. Indeed, she appears to be quite pleased and proud of her husband, while maintaining a professional demeanor.<br />
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*Dualla's counterpart in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] is [[Rigel]]. According to [[Ron Moore]]'s [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/blogs/ blog entry] on April 18, 2006, Dualla is actually more or less directly inspired by Rigel, saying Dualla is "filling the role of another woman in the original BSG series who used to man the communication system on their bridge. That character was called "Rigel" but I didn't think that name worked in the remake, so I gave her the name of Dualla."<br />
*Dualla was known throughout all of the first season and part of of the second season only as "Dualla" or "Dee". Her first name was finally revealed in the episode "[[Final Cut]]", in an on screen caption during her documentary interview. <br />
*The first name "Anastasia" is the feminine form of "Anastasius", which means "Resurection" in ancient Greek.<ref>[http://www.behindthename.com/name/anastasia Behindthename.com "Anastasia" ]</ref><ref>[http://www.behindthename.com/name/anastasius Behindthename.com "Anastasius"]</ref> <br />
*The last name "Dualla" may be derived from Latin word ''Dualis'', which means duo or two. Another definition of the word dual is: something consisting of two parts or elements or having two like parts. This point is touched upon by [[Kandyse McClure]], who believes that "her name 'Dualla', reading it as 'duality', says a lot about the role she plays on the ship. She is always trying to integrate these two sides of herself… this tender, youthful, passionate interior to her pragmatic oftentimes blunt and logical exterior world. This is what I love most about her… trying to find that balance in her work and in her relationships."<ref name="bsgblog">{{cite_web|url=http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/854094.html|title=battlestar_blog: The CIC's #1 Girl|date=27 February 2008|accessdate=27 February 2008|last=Gould|first=Grant|format=|language=}}</ref> There is, however, another possible etymological origin of Dualla's name: the [[w:Duala people|Duala people]] of present-day Cameroon, a nation in central and western Africa. If this is so, then this is perhaps the most notable reference to a non-Greco-Roman civilization in the series. Credence for this etymology may be found in [[Kandyse McClure]]'s nationality of birth. It would seem fitting that the on-screen name of one of the few actors of African descent in the re-imagined series would share a connection to a real life African ethnic group.<br />
*[[Grace Park]] initially auditioned for the role of Dualla, before being asked to audition for the role of [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], and finally being cast as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]].<br />
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<div>:''This article concerns the second [[Number Eight]] Cylon that falls in love with [[Helo]] and becomes a Colonial officer with the callsign of "Athena."'' <br />
:''For information on the "sleeper agent" with the callsign of "Boomer", see [[Sharon Valerii]].''<br />
:''For information on the [[Original Series]] character with a similar name, see [[Athena (TOS)]].''<br />
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|callsign= Athena<br />
|seen= 33<br />
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|children= [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] (Human-Cylon hybrid)<br />
|marital status= Married to [[Karl Agathon]]<br />
|role= Colonial Officer on the battlestar ''Galactica''<br />
|rank= Junior Lieutenant<br />
|serial= 312743<ref>This number was confirmed by the studios to QMX, who produces dogtags based off the show. It is the same number as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], suggesting that she was not assigned another serial number to distinguish herself from "Boomer".</ref><br />
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The [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] known as '''Sharon "Athena" Agathon''' (by the start of [[season 3]]) is a [[Number Eight]] [[humanoid Cylon]] copy.<br />
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She is first encountered by [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]], when he is stranded on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Initially assigned to seduce him by impersonating Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], as part of a Cylon cross-breeding experiment, she turns against her people and helps him escape the planet. Pregnant with Helo's child, Helo is shocked by her true nature but ultimately accepts her lovingly as the mother of his child.<br />
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Once on ''[[Galactica]]'', she is imprisoned and long seen as a mere object. She frequently provides intelligence, but is severely mistreated by an interrogator from ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' who beats and sexually assaults her. Over time, she earns Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] trust by helping the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] escape peril several times, and she is eventually appointed as a Colonial Officer and marries Karl Agathon. Agathon gives birth on ''Galactica'', but her daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]], is subsequently hidden from her, because President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] considers the baby a threat to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Agathon believes Hera to be dead for more than a year, but after learning the truth about her child during a confrontation with Valerii, she is able to regain her daughter from the Cylons with the help of [[Caprica-Six]].<br />
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== Biography ==<br />
=== Cylon cross-breeding experiment on Caprica === <br />
Sharon is a [[Number Eight]] model first seen on [[Caprica]] shortly after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] decide to use her in an elaborate experiment focused on [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] who is stranded on the planet. She is an identical copy of Helo's friend and colleague Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]] and the Cylons hope to explore the possibilities of Cylon-human procreation by getting Helo to fall in love with her ([[The Farm]]). Sharon appears to Helo to rescue him after he is captured by a [[Number Six|Six]] and several [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]]. Unaware that Cylons have developed human models, Helo believes her to be Sharon Valerii from ''Galactica'', returning to rescue him ([[33]]). Following this staged rescue, she leads Helo to a Raptor, now surrounded by Cylon Centurions, and convinces him that they have no direct way off the planet ([[Water]]). Sharon is able to impersonate Lieutenant Valerii convincingly, since she has accessed Valerii's memories at least up until the point of Helo being left behind on Caprica ([[Flesh and Bone]], [[Scattered]], [[Home, Part II]], [[Flight of the Phoenix]], [[Scar]]).<br />
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After receiving a feigned Colonial signal on a radio receiver they carry, Sharon leads Helo to a city where they find a fully-equipped fallout shelter in which two people can live in reasonable security, hidden from above-ground Cylon operations, and with sufficient supplies to last a considerable period of time ([[Act of Contrition]]). The purpose in establishing this retreat is to elicit an emotional response in Helo towards his Cylon companion. When this fails and Helo continues to seek a way off Caprica, the Cylons lead him to believe that Sharon has been captured, concluding that if Helo does not seek to rescue her, the experiment has failed and he must be killed ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). <br />
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Helo does undertake a successful rescue attempt and shortly after, the two of them have sex for the first time in a nearby forest. Helo had always been fond of the original Valerii on ''Galactica'', but his affection for her was stilled by her relationship with Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Pleased with the progress, the Cylons set up a new hideout, a cabin in the woods, and Sharon is instructed to lead him there and have him stay with her – or kill him, if he attempts to leave ([[Flesh and Bone]]). But she begins to question the Cylons' overall goal. Realizing that she has herself fallen in love with Helo, Sharon disobeys her instructions and leads Helo to [[Delphi]], where they hope to steal a vehicle and get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]). On their way to Delphi, she shows signs of being pregnant, succumbing to a bout of morning sickness ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]) and developing a ravenous appetite ([[Colonial Day]]).<br />
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===Revelation of her true identity and arrival at the Fleet ===<br />
[[Image:Boomerhelokara.jpg|235px|left|[[Helo]] attempts to stop Lt. [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] from shooting Sharon, in the [[Delphi Museum]].|thumb]]<br />
On reaching Delphi, Sharon and Helo break into the Cylon facilities to gain access to the spaceport. But as Helo encounters yet another [[Number Eight]] model, he draws the initial conclusion that Sharon is a human clone created by the Cylons and goes on the run alone ([[Colonial Day]]). When Sharon catches up with him, she tried to calm him down and eventually challenges him to shoot her, after he tells her to stay away ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Helo can only bring himself to wound her, and he takes Sharon with him to use her in some way to get off Caprica. While Helo keeps her at gunpoint, Sharon leads him to the [[Delphi Museum]]. Waiting out a storm in a nearby ruined building, she explains to him that she is “Sharon”, not a mere clone or a copy, and that she is as real as [[Sharon Valerii]] on ''Galactica''. She also tells him that her love for him is real and that she is pregnant with his child.<br />
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When Sharon and Helo come across Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] who has landed near the museum to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]], Thrace realizes on-sight that Sharon is a Cylon (having left Valerii behind on ''Galactica'') and she attempts to shoot her. Helo stops Thrace and reveals to her that Sharon is pregnant with his child ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Thrace also wrongly concludes that she must be a Cylon copy of the real Valerii on ''Galactica''; Sharon's attempts to explain her identity to her are unsuccessful. While Thrace and Helo argue over her, Sharon escapes in Thrace's [[Cylon Raider]] to save herself and the life of her unborn child ([[Scattered]]). <br />
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Several days later, Sharon returns to Helo who is now with a human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance movement]] that has formed on Caprica. She offers her help in finding Thrace who was abducted during a Cylon ambush ([[The Farm]]). Thrace manages to escape to the outside of the hospital where she was imprisoned and Sharon arrives at the rescue scene in a stolen Cylon [[Heavy Raider]], destroying several [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] that attack the Resistance rescue party. Following the successful rescue, Sharon accompanies Helo and Thrace on their way back to the human [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] in the Heavy Raider. <br />
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When they arrive at the Fleet and Sharon walks aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', Captain [[Lee Adama]] reacts violently. The son of Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] who was shot by the Cylon "sleeper" agent Valerii grabs her and places his gun to her head. Helo draws his sidearm against Adama, forcing a standoff. President [[Laura Roslin]] urges both men to withdraw their weapons, but then immediately orders Sharon to be ejected out an airlock. Sharon tells Roslin she knows the location of the [[Tomb of Athena]], an ancient place Roslin is trying to find, and she reconsiders, placing Sharon in the brig. Roslin later explains that she suspects Sharon is willing to cooperate, because she wants to protect Helo and her unborn child, something Roslin interprets as a mothering instinct.<br />
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=== Guide on Kobol ===<br />
[[image:sharonhome.jpg|235px|Sharon on Kobol, with [[Helo]], Priestess [[Elosha]] and President [[Roslin]].|thumb]]<br />
Sharon accompanies [[Laura Roslin|Roslin's]] party to [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. She recites specific passages of the [[Tomb of Athena]] in the scriptures of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] and plots the group's path on the planet. On their way they are ambushed by [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] who open fire. As the others take cover and return fire, Sharon vaults away, with Captain [[Lee Adama|Adama]] in pursuit, believing she is trying to escape. Sharon picks up a grenade launcher lying ahead, and as Adama thinks she is about to shoot him, she aims for the remaining Centurion and destroys it ([[Home, Part I]]). At camp, Adama voices suspicions about Helo who still loves Sharon, despite his awareness of her true nature as a Cylon. During the trek, Sharon casually tells Helo that their child is a girl. <br />
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Shortly after, Commander [[William Adama|Adama’s]] search party arrives at Roslin's camp. When Adama sees Sharon who exactly resembles the Cylon who shot him, he immediately tries to choke her to death. He is forced to release her, after Sharon touches his fresh wound, leaving him with severe chest pain. During their struggle, Sharon enigmatically references what Adama said over [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon Valerii’s]] dead body, saying “and you asked why” aloud.<br />
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Later, one of [[Tom Zarek|Tom Zarek's]] followers, [[Meier]], tries to convince Sharon to help him kill both Adamas, as part of a plan to gain control of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Sharon initially believed that Sharon Valerii was being held in the [[brig]], but Meier informs her that she was killed. She expresses her outrage to Helo that [[Cally]] received only a minor punishment for this murder. Sharon deduces that the Colonials do not see humanoid Cylons as people and that she must take matters into her own hands to prove her trustworthiness. Sharon appears to take up Meier's proposal to kill both Commander Adama and Captain Adama, but as Meier draws his weapon, she kills him instead, saving the lives of both Adamas. She announces to Commander Adama that she is not the same Cylon who shot him, and that she has no hidden protocols waiting to be activated; she makes her own choices. She then surrenders her weapon to Adama and successfully leads them to the Tomb of Athena.<br />
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=== Cooperation with the human Fleet ===<br />
[[Image:Valerii_virus.jpg|thumb|170px|left|Sharon connected to ''Galactica's'' main [[Computers|computer]].]]<br />
Sharon is brought aboard ''Galactica'' and imprisoned in a new reinforced cell that was originally designed to incarcerate [[Sharon Valerii]]. The virtual [[Number Six]] tells Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] that Sharon's baby will be born in that cell and that the child belongs to Baltar and her ([[Home, Part II]]).<br />
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During her imprisonment, Sharon nearly has a miscarriage, and is brought to [[sickbay]] where Dr. [[Cottle]] succeeds in saving the fetus. A [[Number Three]] model who poses as the reporter [[D'anna Biers]] in the [[Fleet News Service]], stumbles upon Sharon while filming a documentary on board ''Galactica'' and she manages to send footage of Sharon back to Caprica. The Cylons are surprised, yet overjoyed, that Sharon is still alive. They are concerned that her hybrid child survives; saying that it must be protected at all costs ([[Final Cut]]).<br />
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When ''Galactica'' experiences mysterious computer failures and system malfunctions from a mutated version of a Cylon virus, Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] orders Helo to show the incarcerated Sharon the strange Cylon code. Sharon identifies it as a virulent [[logic bomb]] that will take control of the ship and kill off the crew without her help. Reluctantly, on advice from President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], Adama brings Sharon to [[CIC]], where she cuts her arm open and [[Cylon data port|connects herself to a fiber optic data line]] to communicate with ''Galactica's'' mainframe [[Computers|computer]]. On accessing the computer, she takes into her a portion of the logic bomb code, and then instructs Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to wipe the system's hard drives to erase all Cylon virus traces. As the crew restarts the ship’s computers, a massive Cylon fighter force jumps into range, leaving ''Galactica'' defenseless. Sharon makes adjustments to the code and transmits the altered virus from ''Galactica'' to the Cylons, [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|disabling]] the entire fleet of Cylon fighters ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).<br />
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=== Interrogation and abuse ===<br />
[[image:Pegasus-Thorne_Boomer.jpg|235px|Sharon is beaten and sexually assaulted during an interrogation by Lt. [[Alastair Thorne|Thorne]].|thumb]]<br />
After ''Galactica'' reunites with battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] sends Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] to inspect the incarcerated Sharon. He beats and sexually assaults her with the help of several of his guards. Helo and Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] find out about Thorne and what was done to his previous [[Gina|prisoner]], and they arrive in time to stop him, but Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Both Tyrol and Helo are arrested by the ''Pegasus'' guards and taken to Admiral Cain's battlestar, where Cain hastily convenes courts-martial for them, sentencing both to death ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). <br />
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Sharon's attempted rape results in a hairline fracture in one of her ribs and minor bruising. Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] who has reached a détente with Admiral Cain over Helo and Tyrol's execution personally apologizes to Sharon over the incident; this is also the first time that Adama refers to Sharon as "her," instead of "it." Later, Adama asks to speak with her in private, questioning her why the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] hate humanity. She responds by reminding him of a speech he gave before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attacks]], in which he suggested that humanity is a flawed creation, and she implies that therefore humanity might not deserve to survive. Sharon is later reunited with Helo and Tyrol when the two are released after Cain's death, as Adama resumes full command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br />
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Weeks later, President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], on her deathbed, orders that Sharon's fetus be aborted, fearing the baby might be dangerous for the Fleet. On hearing this news, Sharon is enraged, having cooperated fully to aid the Fleet to save herself and her child, and to show that not all Cylons are dangerous. Marines are sent to take her to [[sickbay]] to forcibly perform the abortion procedure. At the last minute, Dr. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] learns that the fetal blood of Sharon's baby has the ability to destroy cancer cells. He takes a small blood sample and injects it into the dying Roslin; moments later, her cancer disappears. The abortion procedure is cancelled ([[Epiphanies]]).<br />
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Despite her mistreatment, Sharon continues to support the Fleet and provides intelligence. She helps Captain [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] to understand the behavior of [[Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] ([[Scar]]), and frequently assists Admiral Adama to plot the Fleet's course in order to avoid Cylon confrontation. Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] remains extremely skeptical of her increased involvement ([[Sacrifice]]).<br />
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===Birth of her daughter Hera===<br />
[[Image:Sharondownloaded.jpg|170px|thumb|left|[[Helo]] comforts Sharon, as Dr. [[Cottle]] start to perform an emergency birth procedure.]]<br />
When Sharon begins to bleed due to a detached placenta, Dr. [[Cottle]] performs an emergency birth procedure to save both her and the baby's life. Sharon and Helo name the baby girl [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]. After her parents believe Hera is out of danger, the baby apparently dies due to her underdeveloped lungs and Dr. Cottle's failure to intubate her in time. Sharon, suspecting her child was killed deliberately, nearly strangles Dr. Cottle before being subdued, and she subsequently falls into a deep depression. <br />
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However, unbeknownst to Sharon and Helo, Hera is still alive. President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] who still considers the child a danger for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] had Sharon's baby switched with the body of a dead child and, with the help of Dr. Cottle and her aide [[Tory Foster]], places Hera in the care of [[Maya]], a foster mother. Maya is told a cover story that disguises Hera's true identity ([[Downloaded]]). Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] is not informed of Roslin's plan ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br />
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Sharon's depression over losing her child worsens and Helo convinces her to aid in the rescue of [[Samuel Anders]] and other survivors on [[Caprica]], in part to try and draw her out of her depression. Sharon's knowledge of Cylon [[FTL]] technology makes the rescue possible. She acts as a conduit between the Colonial Raptors and the far more advanced FTL computer salvaged from the Cylon Heavy Raider she once brought back to ''Galactica'' ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).<br />
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On Caprica, Captain [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] demonstrates a new level of trust for Sharon by handing her a gun during a firefight with ambushing [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]]. Later, Sharon is as perplexed as everyone else when the Cylons disengage and apparently leave the planet. She is aware, however, that [[Cavil]], a man who approaches the group and loudly proclaims the end of the occupation to be a miracle, is a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]. On ''Galactica'', Cavil is exposed by Chief [[Tyrol]], and Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] sends Sharon back to the brig. When asked by a distraught Helo why she did not mention that Cavil is Cylon, she replies "They killed my baby. Do you think I care about you, or us, or whether or not Adama trusts me anymore?" Sharon withdraws further, shutting Helo out completely ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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===Officer of the Colonial Fleet===<br />
[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - C-Number Eight, Adama, Helo.jpg|235px|Sharon Agathon is commissioned as a Colonial Officer.|thumb]]<br />
More than a year later, and four months after ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus's'' retreat from [[New Caprica]], Sharon Agathon is now married to Karl "Helo" Agathon. In the year that has passed, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] has taken Sharon into his confidence and she seems to have become his advisor of sorts having apparently fully gained his trust. The two periodically sit down to tea; her cell now has a couch, a table, and other amenities ([[Occupation]]). Thanks to her giving him his confidence back, Adama decides to forgive himself for leaving most of the Fleet behind and go ahead with the rescue mission. As part of the plan Adama commissions Agathon into the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] as a lieutenant (junior grade). When she asks how he knows if she won't betray him, he simply replies he doesn't, but "that's what trust is." On her first mission, Agathon leads an insertion force that will serve as a liaison between the [[New Caprica Resistance]] and ''Galactica'' during the extraction of the population. She commands two Raptors in an intra-atmosphere jump and links up with [[Samuel Anders]] and his squad at the [[Breeders Canyon]] ([[Precipice]]).<br />
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On the following day, Agathon covertly enters the Cylon [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]] to recover the [[launch key|launch keys]] for the grounded Colonial ships, bypassing human and Centurion guards that cannot distinguish Agathon from other Eights. After interfacing with a [[Datastream|data terminal]] and obtaining the keys, a [[Number Three]] enters the room and challenges her loyalty. The Three tells her that Hera is still alive, but Agathon rejects the notion saying that Adama wouldn't lie to her (he didn't: he didn't know the truth), shoots the Three in each leg to slow her eventual report back to other Cylons. When she hands over the launch keys to Chief [[Tyrol]], she asks him if he had actually seen Hera's ashes, which he affirms ([[Exodus, Part I]]). <br />
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Following the [[Battle of New Caprica]], the Agathons and many other pilots eat in the mess hall. After [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] addresses Agathon as "Boomer," Helo asks the crew for suggestions for a more appropriate callsign. A number of humorous and affectionate responses, including "Chrome-dome" and "The Raptor Adaptor" arise, reflecting Agathon's grown trust and comfort amongst the human crew, but Helo opts for [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]]'s suggestion, "Athena" ([[Torn]]).<br />
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Agathon undertakes a solo recon mission through a high radiation cluster to look for a planet with suitable material to replenish the Fleet's lost food supplies. Agathon's Cylon physiology withstands radiation levels that would have killed a human, although not without some discomfort. The successful mission confirms the foodstuffs on [[algae planet|a planet with algae]] and gives needed data to safely attempt the guide the Fleet ([[The Passage]]).<br />
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=== Reunion with her child ===<br />
During a stand-off at the [[Algae planet]], a Cylon delegation boards ''Galactica'' to negotiate for the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. Agathon, near the conference area, instantly identifies the Eight from the baseship delegation as Boomer. [[Sharon Valerii|Valerii]] tells Agathon that her daughter, Hera, is still alive and also notes President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin's]] involvement in her daughter's disappearance. After confirming the matter with Roslin, Admiral Adama informs Agathon that Hera's death was indeed fabricated without his knowledge. Agathon angrily demands to see her child ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br />
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Agathon convinces Helo that the only way to rescue Hera is for her to [[download]] to the Cylon fleet and infiltrate the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] where Hera is kept. Reluctantly, Helo agrees to shoot her and Agathon is subsequently downloaded into a new body and resurrected on the nearby [[Resurrection Ship|resurrection ship]] where she is greeted by [[Caprica-Six]] upon rebirth. Agathon pretends that she wants to stay with the Cylons and Caprica-Six leads her to Hera as Caprica-Six is apparently at least somewhat sympathetic to her. Her daughter is ill and apparently rejecting Valerii who has been taking care of the child on board the Cylon vessel. Following Agathon's demand that Hera needs to see a human doctor, Valerii threatens to kill Hera, but Caprica-Six intervenes and kills Valerii instead. Accompanied by Caprica-Six, Agathon and her daughter leave the basetar in a captured Raptor and return to ''Galactica'' ([[Rapture]]).<br />
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===Strange visions and the search for Earth===<br />
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Several weeks later Agathon is assigned to fly Major [[Adama]] and [[Gaius Baltar]]'s new defense attorney [[Romo Lampkin]] to ''[[Colonial One]]'' to retrieve documents needed for the up-coming trial. Before take off, a remote-detonation bomb attached to the Raptor is fortuitously discovered. [[Cally Tyrol]] brings up Agathon's name and indirectly asserts she is the the unknown bomber. When confronted by Agathon, Tyrol denies making such an accusation, though Agathon goes on to note how she did not accuse her despite equal circumstantial evidence implicating her. Agathon points out Tyrol's deep hatred for all Cylons and hands over her sidearm, challenging Tyrol to shoot her. When she fails to pull the trigger, Agathon grabs the gun back and threatens to kill Tyrol if it is discovered she was responsible for the bomb on her ship. It is later revealed that the explosive was the work of fellow ''Galactica'' officer Captain [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] and was designed to kill Lampkin ([[The Son Also Rises]]). During the time of Baltar's trial, Agathon is experiencing mysterious dreams of President Roslin, Caprica-Six and her child Hera in the Kobol [[Opera House]]. She later finds out that both Roslin and Caprica-Six deal with the same dreams, but their meaning remains unclear at first ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).<br />
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Along with her husband, Agathon is among the crew of the ''[[Demetrius]]'' ([[The Ties That Bind]]). 58 days into their mission to find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], Sharon Agathon and others show concern that Thrace cannot be trusted, and that they have to meet up with the Fleet for refueling ([[The Road Less Traveled]]). She physically restrains Thrace to prevent her from executing an FTL jump to a Cylon fleet. When Thrace decides to take a Raptor instead, Agathon accompanies her. On the basestar she meets other Eights who ask her to lead a mutiny against [[Natalie]], but Agathon is disgusted at their lack of conviction, saying that they have to stick with the side they chose ([[Faith]]).<br />
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After they return with the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]], Agathon has another vision of the Opera House. She wakes up to see her daughter standing next to her bed and finds out that she has filled an entire scrapbook with drawings of a blond woman and the number "six". Shocked at the drawings, she notices that Hera has left the room and runs out into the hallways. Her search for Hera on ''Galactica'' parallels the Opera House visions. At the same time Natalie is escorted to a meeting with Admiral Adama and she and her guards run right into Hera. Fascinated, Natalie kneels down to be close to the child. When Agathon catches up to them, she draws her sidearm and tells Natalie to back off. Then, after ensuring that Hera is taken to safety, Agathon shoots Natalie, fearing that she would take her daughter from her, like the Six in the vision ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]). <br />
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After the shooting she is taken to see Admiral Adama who demands an explanation from her. She describes the vision to Adama who finds the explanation from her inadequate and decides to send her to the [[brig]]. She requests to keep her child, but Adama declines, believing that the brig is no place for a child. After Adama goes through his own emotional turmoil and making questionable decisions vis a vis the abduction of President Roslin and many of his pilots by the rebel Cylons, he instructs Colonel Tigh to give her Hera back despite her being imprisoned ([[Sine Qua Non]]). She is later released from the brig to assist with a rescue plan during a hostage situation aboard the Cylon rebel baseship.<br />
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When the [[Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] finally arrives at [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], she is with her family in her quarters. She and her husband are among the first team to land on the planet, but, to their despair, only discover a destroyed city ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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==Notes==<br />
* This [[Number Eight]] is usually called "Sharon" and more recently "Athena", while [[Sharon Valerii]] is often just called "Boomer", as that callsign is closely associated with her. Until Season 3, this copy was referred to as the Caprica copy ("Caprica-Sharon"), because she was first encountered on Caprica.<br />
*Sharon Agathon's callsign, "Athena", may be a reference to her nature as a Cylon, if the Colonists share the Greek myth that Pallas Athene sprung from the head of Zeus fully grown without ever having a childhood – much as a Cylon does.<br />
* Athena is one of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]]. In "[[Home, Part II]]", Sharon relates the death of Athena on Kobol, "Athena [threw] herself down [from the Gates of Hera] onto the rocks below, out of despair over the Exodus of the thirteen tribes." <br />
* Her callsign also creates a parallel with the [[Original Series]] character of [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]]. In the Original Series, Athena was the daughter of [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]]. In the Re-imagined Series, Agathon's relationship with Adama is very similar, as he develops a close fatherly bond to her.<br />
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Lieutenant '''Felix Gaeta''' ({{IPA|&#x02C8;ge&#x026A;.ɾ&#x0259;}} or "gay-tah") is a young, capable officer in the Colonial military. For the three years prior to the [[Cylon attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], he has served as [[William Adama]]'s Senior Officer of the Watch aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. <br />
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Prior to the attack, he was studying biogenetics and planned to get a degree through the military extension program ([[Water]]).<br />
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He exhibits a strong attention to detail and is highly efficient. These tendencies and his overall ability have led William Adama to rely heavily on him as a member of ''Galactica's'' command crew, despite his relative youth and junior rank.<br />
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As well as performing the role of Tactical Officer, Gaeta also manages the ship's [[FTL]] systems, including the calculation and initiation of jumps. Gaeta also manages the needs of the various primary [[Computers|computer systems]] used on the battlestar.<br />
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==Remarkable Brilliance==<br />
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As a result of his studies in biogenetics, Lt. Gaeta is selected by Adama to assist Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] in the development of the much-needed [[Cylon detector]] following the Cylon attack ([[Water]]). During his time working with Baltar, Gaeta develops a certain respect and liking for the doctor - despite the latter's apparent eccentricities. When a woman called "[[Shelly Godfrey]]" arrives aboard ''Galactica'', Gaeta works hard to prove Baltar's innocence of the charges leveled against him ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Although he is ultimately successful, Gaeta fails to follow-up on the fact that the photographic evidence supplied by Godfrey looked as if the evidence itself had been faked in a way that ensured it was exposed as a forgery.<br />
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Gaeta shows his remarkable brilliance after ''Galactica'' mistakenly jumps to a different set of coordinates than the rest of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to escape a Cylon attack ([[Scattered]]). The [[FTL]] computers compensate for spatial changes, but due to the chaos after Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] is shot by [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], Gaeta forgets to synchronize the spatial positioning with the rest of the Fleet, whose FTL computers had collectively different information. Complicating the issue, if ''Galactica'' returns to their original position, the Cylons would destroy the ship before it could recalculate the correct Fleet coordinates using standard procedures.<br />
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Gaeta blames himself (although [[Saul Tigh]] does not), but later realizes that by networking four computers of the ship (something Commander Adama may never have approved), he could reduce the coordinate calculation time from hours to minutes. Knowing the Cylons would try to crack his ad hoc network, Gaeta sets up five [[Wikipedia:Firewall (networking)|firewalls]] in the network to slow their progress while the ship's guns and Vipers buy the time required for the calculations. Unfortunately for Gaeta, the firewalls are not completely effective. Without him realizing it, the Cylons break through the last firewall before he can disconnect the network. As a result, many vital systems are disabled throughout the ship while [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] board the battlestar ([[Valley of Darkness]]). At the end, he manages to purge the systems of any remaining traces of the [[Cylon computer virus|virus]].<br />
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==Under Pressure==<br />
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Gaeta's calm exterior shows signs of wear when his interview with [[D'Anna Biers]] shows him somewhat drunk, smoking, and brandishing a rather garish [[tattoo]] of a tiger. Viewers learn from the footage that Gaeta's first name is Felix ([[Final Cut]]).<br />
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The Cylon virus rears its ugly head once more a few weeks later when shipboard malfunctions increase to a point where consoles begin to sputter and short out. Gaeta confirms that the same virus they thought they had removed from the formerly-networked computers had metamorphized into a heuristic program--a [[logic bomb]]--that studied and probed flaws in the battlestar's computers and the hardware that each system manages. The logic bomb threatenes to disable the ship's human control on a Cylon fighter's command--and a Cylon attack is imminent.<br />
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[[Image:Gaeta tiger tatoo.jpg|thumb|right|Gaeta's tiger tattoo]]<br />
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After Colonel Tigh's command to perform the daunting task of inspecting many lines of computer code for a Cylon virus, the young lieutenant completely loses his cool:<br />
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:'''Gaeta''': A power surge energized the board. System's been twitchy ever since the Cylons infiltrated our network.<br/><br />
:'''Tigh''': Commander's right. I don't care if you have to go through this program line by line; fix it.<br/><br />
:'''Gaeta''': Excuse me?<br/><br />
:'''Tigh''': You heard me.<br/><br />
:'''Gaeta''': Sir, I'm running every diagnostic we've got. Checking each line of code could take days.<br/><br />
:'''Tigh''': I am not interested in excuses. Fix it!<br/><br />
:'''Gaeta''': It's not an excuse, sir. It's a [[frak|frakking]] fact!<br/><br />
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Everyone on the bridge, especially Commander Adama, is shocked by Gaeta's highly uncharacteristic outburst, but Adama is not particularly surprised, knowing that everyone on ''Galactica'' has low morale after working for months with no relief or change to their routine.<br />
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Gaeta has a solution for the logic bomb: Wipe all computer hard drives and restore them from backups made before the Cylon attack. The problem in doing this is that ''Galactica'' will be completely vulnerable to attack, save for her Viper fighters, for several minutes as her computers are rebuilt.<br />
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Against his instincts and on [[Laura Roslin]]'s advice, Adama opts to use the unique abilities of the cooperative [[Sharon Valerii|Caprica copy of Sharon Valerii]] to aid them. Gaeta gives the humanoid Cylon a fiber-optic data link with access to the battlestar mainframe computer and the ship's communications. After a few tense moments, Valerii asks Gaeta to perform the computer hard drive wipe after taking into her computer/brain a copy of the Cylon virus. She manipulates it and transmits to the massive incoming Cylon fleet, disabling the entire Cylon fleet in the same way that the Colonials suffered in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The Colonial forces [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|destroy the entire Cylon force]] without a single Colonial casualty ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).<br />
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Gaeta is among the tense officers and crew in CIC that witness a standoff between their battlestar and the heavily-advanced battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', whose commander, Admiral [[Helena Cain]], has opted to execute two ''Galactica'' crew members after she tried them herself and against Adama's requests for the rights of his crew to have a fair, open trial ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br />
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== The Presidential Election and New Caprica ==<br />
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During the presidential election, Gaeta is assigned to aid and oversee the ballot counting process on ''Galactica''. He also aids in thwarting Roslin's plans to steal the election (though he apparently never knew -- or indicates any knowledge of -- who exactly is behind it, other than Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]) by discovering the illegitimate ballots from the ''[[Zephyr]]''. The only reason he realizes that the ''Zephyr'''s ballots were tampered with is due to the fact that the ''Zephyr''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s original, valid ballots had misspelled Gaius Baltar's name -- the fixed ballots did not share this error. (Gaeta had authorized the go-ahead to use the misspelled ballots due to the lack of time to print new ones prior to the opening of the polls.) <br />
Due to this happenstance discovery, Baltar, who had been rightfully voted as President-Elect, was sworn in as president and ordered the Fleet to colonize [[New Caprica]].<br />
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A year later on [[New Caprica]], Gaeta seems to be an adviser to President [[Gaius Baltar]]. His previous post on ''Galactica'' is assumed by [[Karl Agathon]]. While Gaeta is pleased that there had been no Cylon attacks during Baltar's presidency, he disapproves of Baltar's womanizing and is secretly infuriated at Baltar's devil-may-care attitude towards the New Caprica City Worker's Union and the Quorum of Twelve. Gaeta later brings news of the Cylon invasion to the president and is present when Baltar surrenders New Caprica to [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Number Five]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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Gaeta is also the [[New Caprica Resistance]] inside source into the inner workings of the Cylons. He seems to favor an assassination of President Baltar as he provides the group with information that he is going to attend the [[New Caprica Police]] force graduation, which is disrupted by [[Duck]]'s suicide bombing. However, upon learning that Baltar would not attend, he rushes to contact the group to warn them Baltar that is not going to be there ([[Occupation]]).<br />
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== Inside Man ==<br />
Being the "inside man" allows him to help the [[New Caprica Resistance]] understand the inner Cylon related activities and security procedures on [[New Caprica]]. For him to contact the group, he flips [[Jake (New Caprica)|Jake]]'s yellow bowl upside down and leaves a note or information packet in a nearby tool bin for the [[New Caprica Resistance|resistance]] to find. [[Galen Tyrol]] does not know that he is the "inside man" and when they talk, Tyrol accuses him of being a collaborator ([[Precipice]]).<br />
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== End of the Baltar Administration ==<br />
As the Cylons are preparing to evacuate during the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Gaeta pulls a gun on a distraught President Baltar, clearly intending to kill him. [[Caprica-Six]] attempts to dissuade Gaeta from this course of action. In contrast to his companion's feelings, Baltar seems fully willing to die; but he tells Gaeta that he is the only one who could stop a [[Number Three]]-model Cylon from detonating a nuclear weapon hidden somewhere in the city of New Caprica. This convinces the reluctant Gaeta to let Baltar go, giving the disgraced leader a chance to redeem himself. Gaeta emerges from the same ship behind Colonel Tigh when Tigh asks Admiral Adama for permission to come aboard ''Galactica'' during the post-battle celebration ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br />
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== Return to Duty ==<br />
Gaeta is initially isolated from ''Galactica'''s crew and those who were on New Caprica. Because of his high position in the collaborationist government, they believe he carried out the will of the Cylons. When he arrives in CIC to help with repairs on the communication systems damaged during the recent battle, former resistance leader Colonel Tigh is openly hostile towards him. Gaeta attempts to defend his actions in a tense conversation with [[Kara Thrace]] by revealing himself as Tyrol's mysterious informant. Starbuck doesn't know about the informant, since she was a captive of [[Leoben Conoy]] during the four-month Cylon occupation. She mocks her crewmate and dismisses his revelation as a poorly fabricated lie. <br />
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When Gaeta's name comes up for review in the the [[Circle]], he is convicted of collaborating with the enemy and sentenced to death, despite the lack of evidence against him. The six-person tribunal takes him to a Viper [[launch tubes (RDM)|launch tube]] to face his sentence. When asked to defend himself, Gaeta says that he already had and refuses to beg for his life. This infuriates [[Kara Thrace]], who lashes out at him in a physical attack and resumes the mocking she started in the mess hall. Upon hearing Thrace repeat information about the [[Jake (New Caprica)|dog bowl]], Galen Tyrol realizes that Gaeta was indeed the informant from inside the Baltar administration. Gaeta is released and allowed to go. He resumes his duties as a lieutenant, still shunned by most of his crewmates except Tyrol ([[Collaborators]]). <br />
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After his recommissioning, he takes over Baltar's scientific duties, concentrating on deciphering his notes and determining the course to Earth. Gaeta appears to have a grudge against Tigh for his part in the Circle that nearly ended in Gaeta's death, as he wears a scowl while everyone else celebrates Tigh's return from his self-exile.<br />
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== Animosity towards Baltar ==<br />
Baltar seems to know a secret about Gaeta from their time on New Caprica <ref>This is the remnant of a subplot that was cut from the storyline. See [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries#From the podcast]] for the explanation</ref>. Baltar's knowledge leads Gaeta to try to kill him by stabbing him in the neck during an interrogation. However, he stopped and knocked out by Admiral Adama ([[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]). <br />
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During Baltar's trial for which he faces the death penalty, Gaeta commits perjury, claiming that he was there when Baltar signed the death lists and that Baltar offered no resistance in approving them ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).<br />
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== Member of the ''Demetrius'' Crew and Beyond ==<br />
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Later, Gaeta becomes part of the ''[[Demetrius]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s crew on its mission to find Earth ([[The Ties That Bind]]). After [[Kara Thrace]] orders [[Karl Agathon]] to jump to a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] to retrieve information regarding Earth, Agathon refuses the order believing it to be too risky. When he is relieved by Thrace, she appoints Gaeta as her new [[XO]] and gives him the same order. Like Agathon, Gaeta refuses to comply with the order, creating a standoff between the ship's officers which leads Agathon to relieve Thrace of command ([[The Road Less Traveled]]). During this standoff Anders shoots Gaeta in the leg before he can initiate a jump back to ''Galactica''. Having to wait 15 hours for a Raptor to return, Gaeta is worried that he will lose his leg because of the lack of proper medical treatement ([[Faith]]).<br />
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Returned to ''Galactica'', Gaeta does lose his leg. In recovery, he deals with the stress and phantom pain by singing a [[Gaeta's Lament|mournful ballad]] over and over ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]). Shortly later, he returns to duty, still in pain from his ordeal, but refusing to be relieved ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*Gaeta does not wear any junior pilot wings on his duty uniform during the [[Miniseries]], but has flight wings in nearly every appearance since the Miniseries.<br />
*While Gaeta is described as the "Tactical Officer", his role is closer to that of the US Navy's CIC Watch Officer (CICWO), combining it with elements of the Tactical Watch Officer (TAO), a role also partially fulfilled by Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]], both under the command of [[William Adama]]. According to the official SciFi.com character data file, Gaeta's title is "Senior Officer of the Watch", although the title of Tactical Officer may have a better "ring" to the ears of most viewers.<br />
*The name "Felix" means "happy" in Latin; the connotations of the Latin word imply being fortunate, lucky, prosperous, or "favored by the gods". It first appeared in the episode "[[Final Cut]]".<br />
*[[Wikipedia:Gaeta|Gaeta]] is the name of a small seaport and resort in southern Italy. This goes well with his Latin first name.<br />
*His counterpart in the Original Series is Sgt. [[Omega]], a native of [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Sagitaria]].<br />
*In the Miniseries, Gaeta's name is usually pronounced "Guy-tah" {{IPA|ˈgaɪ.ɾə}}, while Colonel Tigh seems to vacillates between {{IPA|ˈgeɪ.ɾə}} and {{IPA|ˈgaɪ.ɾə}}. However, in all subsequent episodes, everyone pronounces it as "Gay-tah" {{IPA|ˈgeɪ.ɾə}}.<br />
*In interview with out.com [[Jamie Bamber]] said Gaeta is "Almost definitely!" gay, referring to the fact that Gaeta has been single. When Bamber was asked about a possible gay storyline, he said "I've heard a specific rumor about a storyline, and it is on some level definitely gay. That would be exciting and probably overdue."<ref>[http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=22449 http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=22449]</ref> (Bamber was probably referring to the lesbian storyline in "[[Razor]]" concerning [[Helena Cain]] and [[Gina Inviere]])<br />
*Unlike most of the series' officers, Gaeta is usually addressed as "Mr. Gaeta", rather than by his rank. This appears to mirror naval tradition, where male officers with the rank of lieutenant or below are referred to as 'Mister.'<br />
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[[fr:Félix Gaeta]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hadrian/Archive_1&diff=167510Talk:Hadrian/Archive 12008-09-04T18:15:41Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>The Joyce reference should really be removed, since a "source close to production" isn't really a verifiable source at all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:18, 9 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Does anyone have a clear image of Hadrian's insignia? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 11:58, 8 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j81/steel_viper/BSG/hadrian.jpg<br />
:The closest I could find at BSG Media (my usual source) is [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=28&pos=81 this]. If you click on the image for the higher res pic you get a fairly good look at it. [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=28&pos=79 This] is a bit darker, but it shows that there isn't really anything too significant that the first pic isn't showing. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:31, 8 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Sergeant or warrant officer ==<br />
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:* Sgt. Hadrian is mistakenly referred to as a Marine in fandom and various forums. In reality the position of Master-at-Arms is a Warrant Officer position in the Navy. The rank designation of Sergeant coincides with various military structures found throughout the world, such as the Royal Air Force which has Flight Sergeant as a Warrant Officer rank.<br />
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:* On the set of Battlestar Galactica, all departments (such as props, wardrobe, assistant directors) have designated the khaki uniforms as belonging to Warrant Officers, such as the one worn by Hadrian.<br />
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Warrant officer is a rank, not a position, function or service branch - warrant officers form a corps within a branch, along with officers and enlisted. Given RDM's practice of largely following naval customs (and where it doesn't directly conflict the older series), sergeant rank is associated with marines. Furthermore, in the RAF, flight sergeant is considered a senior non-commissioned officer rank [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Sergeant].<br />
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The departmental direction regarding khaki uniforms is consistent with uniform distinction given to senior non-commissioned officers, but that is not necessarily proof that Hadrian is a warrant officer. Furthermore, there has not been any canonical mention of warrant officer ranks (at least to my knowledge).--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 23:05, 19 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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In some cases, yes, the rank structure in BSG follows Naval rank structure, but ultimately is a mismash of ranks. There are no Colonels or Majors in the Navy. Commanders are occupying the position of Naval Captains, Colonels are Commnders, Majors seem to be Lt. Cmdrs, they have no correlation for their Captains. etc.<br />
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I just know that in my experience from working on the show, that everyone in a khaki uniform is a Warrant Officer. I mispoke when I referred to Warrant Officer as a branch of service, I was thinking of Marines vs. Colonial Fleet.--[[User:Zeppo|Zeppo]] 23:30, 19 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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:One needs to keep in mind is that BSG mirrors real-life practices to a certain extent, but doesn't follow them 100%ly. So while it's helpful to point out real-world parallels, it is simply wrong to label a deviation from that as an error. Such deviations can be noted, but they aren't errors within the show. For example the position of the CAG with the rank structure doesn't fit with US Navy practices either. That doesn't make it wrong from the show's perspective.<br />
:Second, we need a source for that statement. It's certainly very interesting and I'm not claiming you're lying, but we need a cite I'm sorry, but "I'm working on the show" doesn't really work by our usual standards :s . As it stands it's a very tenuous challenge to something that hasn't been established on screen, even if it might be correct.<br />
:Also, there is still the point that Tyrol's tone implies that he outranks her. The way he emphasizes her rank. Maybe it's just me. That wouldn't be the case if she were a WO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:39, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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::For me, this is more a matter of consistency; when is a sergeant just a sergeant, and when is a sergeant a warrant officer? Is this a retro-active change going forward? And I make no argument about hewing to perfect equivalence to reality (that's why I included the "where it doesn't directly conflict the older series" caveat), RDM's already mentioned his rationale in his blog. --[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 02:54, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::I wasn't referring to you, but to Zeppo's implication that real-life structures should supersede on-screen statements in this case. I agree with you. Occam's Razor: She appears to be a sergeant, so even if it can be explained away, it makes most sense for her to be a sergeant. And as said, if everyone in a khaki uniform were a WO, wouldn't there be way too many? WO is a pretty high rank, and they're drawn from senior NCOs. It doesn't really mesh with their numbers, or their age for that matter. <br />
:::The note that "a WO can hold the rank of flight sergeant", doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The details differ greatly over time and countries, but even the British armed forces WO seems to be a rank in itself, not a position (as already noted). Also, being a Marine and a WO wouldn't be mutually exclusive. It's just a rank within a branch.<br />
:::If we can cite this somehow, it might be worth noting here and on the uniform page, but maybe we shouldn't change everything according to it. Maybe the production crew thinks of it this way, but even if it can be proven first hand, it just doesn't make much sense. At times, I've though there are a bit too many people in khaki uniforms for all of them to be Marines (in stationed in CIC for example), but making all of them Warrant Officers isn't a satisfactory solution to that either, given that BSG tries to stay relatively close to real-life militaries. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:03, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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I don't know how to comment in the history log like everybody else seems to be doing so, since it bears on this topic I'll make mine here. I'll go along with Serenity and just leave her rank as Sergeant for now but that in no way indicates that I think that is her definite rank because I don't. I think that she is most likely either a warrant officer or an NCO of the level of a USMC Staff Sergeant, since we can't conclude which one or what the exact name for the CMC equivilent for Staff Sergeant is I think it makes sense to just list her rank as "Sergeant" in the near term since that is how she is always refered to in the show.<br />
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 18:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hadrian/Archive_1&diff=167509Talk:Hadrian/Archive 12008-09-04T18:12:48Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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<div>The Joyce reference should really be removed, since a "source close to production" isn't really a verifiable source at all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:18, 9 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Insignia image ==<br />
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Does anyone have a clear image of Hadrian's insignia? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 11:58, 8 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j81/steel_viper/BSG/hadrian.jpg<br />
:The closest I could find at BSG Media (my usual source) is [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=28&pos=81 this]. If you click on the image for the higher res pic you get a fairly good look at it. [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=28&pos=79 This] is a bit darker, but it shows that there isn't really anything too significant that the first pic isn't showing. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:31, 8 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Sergeant or warrant officer ==<br />
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A recent edit added the following:<br />
:* Sgt. Hadrian is mistakenly referred to as a Marine in fandom and various forums. In reality the position of Master-at-Arms is a Warrant Officer position in the Navy. The rank designation of Sergeant coincides with various military structures found throughout the world, such as the Royal Air Force which has Flight Sergeant as a Warrant Officer rank.<br />
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:* On the set of Battlestar Galactica, all departments (such as props, wardrobe, assistant directors) have designated the khaki uniforms as belonging to Warrant Officers, such as the one worn by Hadrian.<br />
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Warrant officer is a rank, not a position, function or service branch - warrant officers form a corps within a branch, along with officers and enlisted. Given RDM's practice of largely following naval customs (and where it doesn't directly conflict the older series), sergeant rank is associated with marines. Furthermore, in the RAF, flight sergeant is considered a senior non-commissioned officer rank [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Sergeant].<br />
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The departmental direction regarding khaki uniforms is consistent with uniform distinction given to senior non-commissioned officers, but that is not necessarily proof that Hadrian is a warrant officer. Furthermore, there has not been any canonical mention of warrant officer ranks (at least to my knowledge).--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 23:05, 19 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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In some cases, yes, the rank structure in BSG follows Naval rank structure, but ultimately is a mismash of ranks. There are no Colonels or Majors in the Navy. Commanders are occupying the position of Naval Captains, Colonels are Commnders, Majors seem to be Lt. Cmdrs, they have no correlation for their Captains. etc.<br />
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I just know that in my experience from working on the show, that everyone in a khaki uniform is a Warrant Officer. I mispoke when I referred to Warrant Officer as a branch of service, I was thinking of Marines vs. Colonial Fleet.--[[User:Zeppo|Zeppo]] 23:30, 19 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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:One needs to keep in mind is that BSG mirrors real-life practices to a certain extent, but doesn't follow them 100%ly. So while it's helpful to point out real-world parallels, it is simply wrong to label a deviation from that as an error. Such deviations can be noted, but they aren't errors within the show. For example the position of the CAG with the rank structure doesn't fit with US Navy practices either. That doesn't make it wrong from the show's perspective.<br />
:Second, we need a source for that statement. It's certainly very interesting and I'm not claiming you're lying, but we need a cite I'm sorry, but "I'm working on the show" doesn't really work by our usual standards :s . As it stands it's a very tenuous challenge to something that hasn't been established on screen, even if it might be correct.<br />
:Also, there is still the point that Tyrol's tone implies that he outranks her. The way he emphasizes her rank. Maybe it's just me. That wouldn't be the case if she were a WO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:39, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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::For me, this is more a matter of consistency; when is a sergeant just a sergeant, and when is a sergeant a warrant officer? Is this a retro-active change going forward? And I make no argument about hewing to perfect equivalence to reality (that's why I included the "where it doesn't directly conflict the older series" caveat), RDM's already mentioned his rationale in his blog. --[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 02:54, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::I wasn't referring to you, but to Zeppo's implication that real-life structures should supersede on-screen statements in this case. I agree with you. Occam's Razor: She appears to be a sergeant, so even if it can be explained away, it makes most sense for her to be a sergeant. And as said, if everyone in a khaki uniform were a WO, wouldn't there be way too many? WO is a pretty high rank, and they're drawn from senior NCOs. It doesn't really mesh with their numbers, or their age for that matter. <br />
:::The note that "a WO can hold the rank of flight sergeant", doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The details differ greatly over time and countries, but even the British armed forces WO seems to be a rank in itself, not a position (as already noted). Also, being a Marine and a WO wouldn't be mutually exclusive. It's just a rank within a branch.<br />
:::If we can cite this somehow, it might be worth noting here and on the uniform page, but maybe we shouldn't change everything according to it. Maybe the production crew thinks of it this way, but even if it can be proven first hand, it just doesn't make much sense. At times, I've though there are a bit too many people in khaki uniforms for all of them to be Marines (in stationed in CIC for example), but making all of them Warrant Officers isn't a satisfactory solution to that either, given that BSG tries to stay relatively close to real-life militaries. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:03, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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I don't know how to comments in the history log like everybody else seems to be doings so since it bears on this topic I'll make mine here. I'll go along with serenity and just leave her rank as Sergeant by now but that in no way indicates that I think that is her definate rank because I don't. I think most likely she is either a warrant officer or an NCO of the level of a USMC Staff Sergeant, since we can't conclude which one or what the exact name for the CMC equivilent for Staff Sergeant I think it makes sense to go with Sergeant in the near term.<br />
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 18:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Military_Ranks_(RDM)/Archive3&diff=167432Talk:Military Ranks (RDM)/Archive32008-09-02T16:47:12Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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== Number ==<br />
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Shouldn't Commander be listed as O-7 and Rear Admiral as O-8? Not even getting into the debate over the officer/flag officer status of the Commander rank (although it could go either way (the Colonial forces could have seven officer ranks)), but why is it listed as N/A? It's clearly higher than Colonel, which is O-6. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 21:05, 26 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:The numbers correspond with the US ranks, not the BSG ranks. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:13, 27 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== PO3 ==<br />
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I understand the note about Venner, since PO3 and Cpl are equivalent, but the page itself does quote RDM who says that there is no PO3 grade. How can the page be modified to show this? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 18:27, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Mhh, you're right. Though I don't consider that one blog entry as the very last word on it. Ideas might have changed a bit by now. Who knows.<br />
:Anyways, the list incluces PO3 mainly for the sake of completion I guess. It does say that some aspects of the table are speculative and that was always ok. You could add a footnote, like done for all other annotations. Then the explination shows up under "references". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== New information ==<br />
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There's an article that is a few months old on galactica.tv about the pins and symbols of the uniforms [http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 08:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:The new information is really the tiny details that are available from of the pins. Our insignia pictures are from that very same rank chart, so the information is already reflected, except for the narrower Lt.j.g. pin. I can update that later. We just have drawings instead of photographs which is somewhat cleaner however. Maybe the great photo of the Commander pin could be included somehow? (like "more images").<br />
:Maybe the information on the other uniform devices could be put on [[Uniforms (RDM)]] though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:10, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Sounds good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:30, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Recent round of edits ==<br />
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I got caught up in this again. If I come off as harsh or all to superior, I'm really sorry, but I think this page is pretty good as it is. And all the rest is really pretty nitpicky.<br />
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I think it comes down to to different approaches:<br />
#That the whole comparison to modern militaries (specifically the US Navy) is overdone.<br />
#Some people seem to be more interested having a close to perfect comparison. Nothing wrong with that. <br />
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Personally, I'm clearly in camp 1. Sure there are many parallels. But it's not exactly the same. So this page shouldn't be forced to do something that just isn't there. And in the last major overhauls I tried to excise many of the unnecessary comparisons and make more BSG arguments for things. As it stands, we have reasonable good evidence (sometimes conjectural) that commander more closely resembles a modern captain. Like it doesn't seem to be considered a flag rank; and Roslin also seems to imply that she sees Adama as captain in "Resurrection Ship, Part II". The rest is just made fit as best as possible. Putting Lt. opposed to Lt. make most sense, and so that leaves one rank free. It's not all that clear, but it's there.<br />
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So how do other people feel about this? Not so much about the details, but the whole approach of the article. Is the US Navy thing really that important? Should the article be more about BSG? Should we maybe just ditch the comparison if it's so troublesome and not perfect anyways? I think we can keep it, but it just needs to be clear that it's not supposed to be 1:1. I updated the introduction further to try to reflect that. Maybe I'm just too invested here, because I made a lot substantial edits to it, but I also don't like if people just change substantial things, when we had a sort-of consensus about it.<br />
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To the people who made those edits: I know you are new. I know that you haven't read everything. And I really don't want to seem overly harsh to you. That's why I'm trying to explain and discuss this here. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 22 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Why not just scrap the US Naval Rank column ==<br />
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Absent anything from Ron Moore or the writer's bible, it's all speculation and guesstimation. The only salient comparisons within the RDM Galactica universe would be Fleet vs. Marines. The "Official Statement" is self-explanatory. And like a lot of good fiction, sometimes it's best to leave some details to the individual's own imagination ... {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}<br />
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:Yeah, I'm just about ready do that. We can also keep it, but people just have to realize that it won't fit perfectly. It's a rough guideline, but nothing more. I've inserted two paragraphs now that point that out, without actually hitting the reader of the head.<br />
:That whole part is really from the very first version of this article, that was actually more about finding arguments for that comparison table than documenting the BSG universe. Sure you can make a table that lines all up 1:1, but after some discussion most people felt that there are more points to compare the BSG rank of commander to a real world captain, and the rest is built around that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:38, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::My only concern with deleting it is that it's the type of thing that might get periodically re-added by passers-by. I'd advise some note on the article to head that off, but I have doubts as to whether that would be heeded. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::True. And while it's not that important, there is some merit to the comparison. It shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously (pot.kettle.black. ;)), but some people are probably interested to know where certain ranks fall. In retrospect I realize that while there were explanations for certain ranks, there was no explanation for the overall structure. That was an oversight that is hopefully corrected now. We can't expect people to read long arguments on the talk pages to understand how some things are decided, and parts of this article were just presented "as is" without clarification. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Room for other ranks?==<br />
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It is hard to beleive that the ranks shown thus far are the only ones. There would logically be something like Midshipman for officer trainees and Lieutenant-Colonel. If so, the Midshipman grad would be easy to figure out (a white diamond), though Lt. Col would be a little more difficult, given the differences between the Colonel and Major insignia. Just a thought... [[User:Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]] 16:58, 27 December 2007 (PST)<br />
: True. However, we go with ranks that we've either seen or heard on screen or via behind-the-scenes sources. We don't really speculate on any "missing" ranks, since that falls under "[[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 19:05, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Specialist classes==<br />
IMO the specialist class ranks from the [[Flight of the Phoenix]] and [[Revelations]] credits should be considered official unless they are refuted by a more recent official source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What specialist class ranks are you referring to?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The credits list Figurski as "Specialist 3rd class". So, there appear to be at least 3 subdivisions here. But it's not that clear how they should be split up. We also only have a single rank insignia for specialist. I'll add a footnote for now, as it should be noted. It should probably be included into the table, but the question is how. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== RDM's list ==<br />
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Seeing the edits on the page, I need to chime in here. RDM's list, which was published over three years ago, is not the definitive list and we should not be a slave to it. There have been introductions of new ranks since then, like Lt. Colonel and Rear Admiral, that are not included on his list. Conspicuously, he does not include "Warrant Officer" (which there is a pin for, and these are the guys in the BG with the beige BDUs), in addition to Private (like [[Stewart Jaffee]]). I'll try to post the definitive list in a few weeks, but the edits that Serenity did are the most accurate to date with the presently available information I have. Attempts to revert them will probably resort in the page being locked, just so you know, since I don't want a needless edit war to break out. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, just what I was thinking. I don't get why this should be ''the'' definite list. It's a fine basis, but it's old and things have been added since then. And this page has always been speculative. In the past far more so than now. It's not like the speculative ranks aren't marked. I've included an (s) for those two ranks now, in addition to the footnotes. I wouldn't just add all kinds of speculation just because it sounds nice, but it's marked clearly enough. If people would rather have something more "official" they are free to skip those lines. It just doesn't make much sense to skip vice admiral for no reason, when rear admiral and admiral have been established, given that the ranks more or less follow real-world examples otherwise. And it's been on the list for one or two years without anyone really objecting.<br />
:In general my reverts here, have also been about style. Mainly odd capitalization. Things like "commissioned officer" just aren't capitalized (unless in the headers of the table and such). But neither are ranks. It's "Johnson is a lieutenant", but "Tell Lieutenant Johnson". That's also [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Military_terms|what Wikipedia uses]], though they are a bit inconsistent with it. Other sources like [http://www.hjf.org/style_guide/style.html#Titles this], [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm this] or [http://stylemanual.ngs.org/Intranet/styleman.nsf/2050e60b02a59c46852566510067477d/2fa90f9b71e105f6852566880054c234?OpenDocument this] also make this clear. I've also noted that people try to capitalize "president" and "vice president" on every occasion. The same rules usually apply there unless it's the full title of the office like "President of the Twelve Colonies"-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: All true. By the way, I'd like to get rid of the "Junior Grade"/"Senior Grade" stuff and simply go with "Junior Lieutenant" and "Senior Lieutenant", since this is what they identify these ranks by behind the scenes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::On screen both are used though (though in props mostly junior lieutenant). They seem to exist side by side. There is a footnote about it, actually (#7). Maybe that could be changed to make it clearer, or switched around. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The only real mentions of "Lieutenant Junior Grade" are in the Miniseries, and that was quickly dropped, along with a few other things that didn't quite work from the miniseries. (Such as the "Blade Runner" guns from the Miniseries, which weren't built to last anyway and were just poorly designed.) But I see your point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Initial new information ==<br />
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This is by no means the complete list of ranks, but it's based off the pin-ordering sheet I have in front of me. (No, I can't scan it. Sorry.)<br />
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From highest to lowest (these are the "green fill" verisons):<br />
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* Crew Master Chief<br />
* Crew Senior Chief (this is what Tyrol wears before his demotion for being an ass)<br />
* Sergeant 1st Class (basically the Junior Lieutenant, except the fill is green, not gold).<br />
* Crew Sergeant (like crew specialist, but has another border—with no breaks—between the outside border and the diamond)<br />
* Crew Specialist <br />
* Crewman (which is the same pin as the "Private" that Jaffee wears)<br />
* Crewman Apprentice <br />
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The gold versions:<br />
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* Commander<br />
* Colonel<br />
* Warrant Officer (worn by those in the beige BDUs, it's similar to the Crew Master Chief, itself a cross between the Lt. Col and Crew Senior Chief pips)<br />
* Lt. Colonel (these are the pins that Dualla was wearing in "LDYB" Pt. II<br />
* Major<br />
* Captain<br />
* Senior Lieutenant<br />
* Junior Lieutenant<br />
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As we've already determined earlier, the "ensign" rank pin does not exist.<br />
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I'm working on finding about the Admiral pins. <br />
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Also, an interesting story about the flight wings that the pilots wear... the symbols in the middle resemble the Captain's rank pins. There's a reason for this. The pins were also supposed to echo the rank of the wearer, but this idea was abandoned during the production. I don't know why, but I'll lay my money on the fact that it had to do with cost. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:That actually fits pretty well with the current structure (aside from the names), but some of the enlisted ranks as they are now have been established in dialogue. For example, Dualla is called petty officer second class by Billy, and I think Tyrol is identified as chief petty officer as well. The term "petty officer" in general is also mentioned (for example by Adama when he demotes Tyrol). So that would screw things up a bit.<br />
:As for warrant officer. Not everyone in beige BDUs can be a WO. Some of the Marines who have been identified with other ranks wear them as well, most notably Hadrian. It would probably be more accurate to say that in practice all WOs wear beige. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::The warrant-officers-in-khaki thing has always left me scratching my head ... why single out warrant officers with a different style uniform, but have the officers and enlisted wear the same color fatigues? For comparison's sake, in the US Navy, ranks of chief petty officer and above wear khaki service uniforms like officers (hence the term "khaki leadership"), making it easy to make the "chiefs-vs-indians" distinction in a crowd. Maybe it was easier (and cheaper) to "ret-con" the khakis as warrant officer uniforms and kind of sneak by on the collar insignia (which had little chance with a crowd like this :-)), rather than go through the cost and time of developing new insignia.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::There's that too, but it's fiction, so why not? But the other other points that speak against being all khakis = WOs. For example that the uniform is used a lot (there shouldn't be that many WOs from what I understand), is also used by Marine Sergeants (and others) and also worn by a lot of young crewmen. Warrant officers should generally be a bit older I think. It might have been thought of that way, but I don't think the wardrobe department really adheres to it closely. Not that I blame them. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I don't know, this list is a little confusing, it seems like it's a combination of marine and fleet ranks. When you get a chance Joe, I'd like to say a side by side break down of rank equivalents, I have some other questions regarding this list but I'll hold them because I think a side-by-side might answer them. Particularly because some of Joe's comments seem to contradict what we have known up to know.<br />
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I'm sure you guys have all seen the graphical rank guide put out by somebody (I can't remember the name of the top of my head but I'd be interested both to see the next update and how the new information jibes with the current version. Does anybody know how to contact this guy?-- [[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 15:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::You might be referring to Jim Stevenson's article on galactica.tv: http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/the-history-of-the-rank-insignia-chart-for-battlestar-galactica-2003.html<br />
::IMO, I think his observations and analysis are about as speculative as the discussion in this wiki.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Fred, RDM and co. are following their own conventions; they don't have to mirror real-world conventions, at all, despite the wishes of some. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm just saying ... have there been any references, on-screen or in production notes, of "sr-lieutenant"? Lieutenant and jr-lieutenant have been used in scripts and on props to-date, as far as I know ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yes, numerous times. Where, pray tell, do you think I got the above list? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So any idea about the enlisted ranks that are missing but have been mentioned in ''dialogue'' (most notably "petty officer second class"). "Specialist" has been mentioned numerous times and is on the list, but PO2 is not on it. If that can't be resolved, it's not really much better than what we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I realize that Stevenson's model is just as much speculation as ours but I thought it might be helpful to coordinate with him so we can get a consistent image for the new rank insignia's we know know as well as give proposals for ranks that are now known to exist but for which ranks haven't been developed. Right now the Lt. Col. image sticks out because it doesn't show the fringes colors like all the officers I have a version from his sheet that shows it only with white fringe, (at the time it had only been seen worn by Dualla). Also I think now that we know the the insignia for Apprentice/Private First Class, its easy to conclude that their is indeed an insignia for recruit/private because without one, the trend from Apprentice/PFC to Specialist/Corporal to PO2/Sergeant doesn't make sense.<br />
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While I'm at it I'd like to propose a new tentative ranks structure based on what new information we now have. Of course this is subject to change when Joe gets more info but I want to run what I've got by all of you and see if I'm missing something or have something confused.<br />
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*Flag Officer<br />
**Admiral<br />
**Rear Admiral<br />
*Senior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Commander<br />
**Colonel<br />
**Lieutenant Colonel<br />
*Junior Commissioned Officer<br />
**Major<br />
**Captain<br />
**Senior Lieutenant<br />
**Junior Lieutenant<br />
**Ensign<br />
*Senior Enlisted (Non-Commissioned Officer)<br />
**Master Chief Petty Officer/Sergeant-Major<br />
**Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant<br />
**Chief Petty Officer/Gunnery Sergeant<br />
**Petty Officer First Class/Sergeant First Class<br />
**Petty Officer Second Class/Sergeant<br />
*Junior Enlisted<br />
**Specialist/Corporal<br />
**Apprentice/Private First Class<br />
**Recruit/Private<br />
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Also, I want to clarify two things with Joe: First, it appears from something you wrote above that you believe Tyrol was a Senior Chief Petty Officer instead of just plain Chief. Is that true? Second, are there supposed to be separate rank insignia for warrant officers or are they supposed to be simply identified by their uniform color.<br />
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Finally I'm kinda wondering if there are multiple grades of warrant officer like their are in the U.S. military.<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Hadrian&diff=167381Hadrian2008-08-31T16:41:19Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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'''Sergeant Hadrian''' is the [[Master-at-Arms]] on ''Galactica''. She is responsible for the internal security on the ship.<br />
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She is first mentioned, albeit not by name, when Sharon Valerii notices that [[G-4]] explosives are missing from a small arms locker and Chief Tyrol tells her that she must tell the Master-at-Arms ([[Water]]).<br />
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Hadrian leads the investigation of an accident on the hangar deck that results in the death of thirteen pilots and injures seven more, concluding that it was caused by material fatigue ([[Act of Contrition]]).<br />
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After a suicide attack by [[Aaron Doral]], Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] places her in command of investigating how it was possible for him to get past the security guards. She acts as the main prosecutor in an independent tribunal to attempt to locate Cylon saboteurs and collaborators aboard ''Galactica''. However, her efforts turn into a witch hunt and, although Specialist [[Socinus]] is used as scapegoat, the tribunal is disbanded by Adama, after he himself is accused of facilitating the attack. Hadrian is confined to her quarters after losing a standoff with him ([[Litmus]]).<br />
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When a Cylon boarding party invades ''Galactica'', Colonel Tigh mentions that Sergeant Hadrian is leading one of the squads of Marines defending the ship ([[Valley of Darkness]]).<br />
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* Hadrian was the name of a Roman Emperor who was characterized by his efforts to stabilize and strengthen the Roman frontier, building suitable defenses and abandoning provinces that were too costly to guard. Sergeant Hadrian plays a similar role: she tirelessly works to defend the ''Galactica'' against its enemies (although she focuses on internal enemies, whereas the emperor focused on external ones). In keeping with the show's basis in Greek mythology, Hadrian was a noted Hellenophile, and did much to enrich Greek culture in the Empire during his reign. (See [[w:Emperor Hadrian|Wikipedia - Emperor Hadrian]] for more information.)<br />
* In "[[Litmus]]", Hadrian wears [[Military Ranks (RDM)#Insignia|rank insignia]] with one chevron on a green background that are normally used by [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] non-commissioned officers. While she is a Marine, it is possible that some rank insignia are used in both services.<br> Her full rank can be assumed to be sergeant first class which equates to petty officer, 1st class. Placing her one rank lower or higher would create a conflict with the established insignia of petty officer, 2nd class and chief petty officer respectively. Moreover, Tyrol uses her rank in a tone that implies that he outranks her.<br />
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[[de:Hadrian]]</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Military_Ranks_(RDM)/Archive3&diff=167379Talk:Military Ranks (RDM)/Archive32008-08-31T16:11:17Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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== Number ==<br />
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Shouldn't Commander be listed as O-7 and Rear Admiral as O-8? Not even getting into the debate over the officer/flag officer status of the Commander rank (although it could go either way (the Colonial forces could have seven officer ranks)), but why is it listed as N/A? It's clearly higher than Colonel, which is O-6. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 21:05, 26 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:The numbers correspond with the US ranks, not the BSG ranks. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:13, 27 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== PO3 ==<br />
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I understand the note about Venner, since PO3 and Cpl are equivalent, but the page itself does quote RDM who says that there is no PO3 grade. How can the page be modified to show this? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 18:27, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Mhh, you're right. Though I don't consider that one blog entry as the very last word on it. Ideas might have changed a bit by now. Who knows.<br />
:Anyways, the list incluces PO3 mainly for the sake of completion I guess. It does say that some aspects of the table are speculative and that was always ok. You could add a footnote, like done for all other annotations. Then the explination shows up under "references". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== New information ==<br />
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There's an article that is a few months old on galactica.tv about the pins and symbols of the uniforms [http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 08:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:The new information is really the tiny details that are available from of the pins. Our insignia pictures are from that very same rank chart, so the information is already reflected, except for the narrower Lt.j.g. pin. I can update that later. We just have drawings instead of photographs which is somewhat cleaner however. Maybe the great photo of the Commander pin could be included somehow? (like "more images").<br />
:Maybe the information on the other uniform devices could be put on [[Uniforms (RDM)]] though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:10, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Sounds good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:30, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Recent round of edits ==<br />
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I got caught up in this again. If I come off as harsh or all to superior, I'm really sorry, but I think this page is pretty good as it is. And all the rest is really pretty nitpicky.<br />
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I think it comes down to to different approaches:<br />
#That the whole comparison to modern militaries (specifically the US Navy) is overdone.<br />
#Some people seem to be more interested having a close to perfect comparison. Nothing wrong with that. <br />
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Personally, I'm clearly in camp 1. Sure there are many parallels. But it's not exactly the same. So this page shouldn't be forced to do something that just isn't there. And in the last major overhauls I tried to excise many of the unnecessary comparisons and make more BSG arguments for things. As it stands, we have reasonable good evidence (sometimes conjectural) that commander more closely resembles a modern captain. Like it doesn't seem to be considered a flag rank; and Roslin also seems to imply that she sees Adama as captain in "Resurrection Ship, Part II". The rest is just made fit as best as possible. Putting Lt. opposed to Lt. make most sense, and so that leaves one rank free. It's not all that clear, but it's there.<br />
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So how do other people feel about this? Not so much about the details, but the whole approach of the article. Is the US Navy thing really that important? Should the article be more about BSG? Should we maybe just ditch the comparison if it's so troublesome and not perfect anyways? I think we can keep it, but it just needs to be clear that it's not supposed to be 1:1. I updated the introduction further to try to reflect that. Maybe I'm just too invested here, because I made a lot substantial edits to it, but I also don't like if people just change substantial things, when we had a sort-of consensus about it.<br />
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To the people who made those edits: I know you are new. I know that you haven't read everything. And I really don't want to seem overly harsh to you. That's why I'm trying to explain and discuss this here. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 22 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Why not just scrap the US Naval Rank column ==<br />
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Absent anything from Ron Moore or the writer's bible, it's all speculation and guesstimation. The only salient comparisons within the RDM Galactica universe would be Fleet vs. Marines. The "Official Statement" is self-explanatory. And like a lot of good fiction, sometimes it's best to leave some details to the individual's own imagination ... {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}<br />
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:Yeah, I'm just about ready do that. We can also keep it, but people just have to realize that it won't fit perfectly. It's a rough guideline, but nothing more. I've inserted two paragraphs now that point that out, without actually hitting the reader of the head.<br />
:That whole part is really from the very first version of this article, that was actually more about finding arguments for that comparison table than documenting the BSG universe. Sure you can make a table that lines all up 1:1, but after some discussion most people felt that there are more points to compare the BSG rank of commander to a real world captain, and the rest is built around that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:38, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::My only concern with deleting it is that it's the type of thing that might get periodically re-added by passers-by. I'd advise some note on the article to head that off, but I have doubts as to whether that would be heeded. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::True. And while it's not that important, there is some merit to the comparison. It shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously (pot.kettle.black. ;)), but some people are probably interested to know where certain ranks fall. In retrospect I realize that while there were explanations for certain ranks, there was no explanation for the overall structure. That was an oversight that is hopefully corrected now. We can't expect people to read long arguments on the talk pages to understand how some things are decided, and parts of this article were just presented "as is" without clarification. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Room for other ranks?==<br />
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It is hard to beleive that the ranks shown thus far are the only ones. There would logically be something like Midshipman for officer trainees and Lieutenant-Colonel. If so, the Midshipman grad would be easy to figure out (a white diamond), though Lt. Col would be a little more difficult, given the differences between the Colonel and Major insignia. Just a thought... [[User:Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]] 16:58, 27 December 2007 (PST)<br />
: True. However, we go with ranks that we've either seen or heard on screen or via behind-the-scenes sources. We don't really speculate on any "missing" ranks, since that falls under "[[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 19:05, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Specialist classes==<br />
IMO the specialist class ranks from the [[Flight of the Phoenix]] and [[Revelations]] credits should be considered official unless they are refuted by a more recent official source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What specialist class ranks are you referring to?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The credits list Figurski as "Specialist 3rd class". So, there appear to be at least 3 subdivisions here. But it's not that clear how they should be split up. We also only have a single rank insignia for specialist. I'll add a footnote for now, as it should be noted. It should probably be included into the table, but the question is how. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== RDM's list ==<br />
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Seeing the edits on the page, I need to chime in here. RDM's list, which was published over three years ago, is not the definitive list and we should not be a slave to it. There have been introductions of new ranks since then, like Lt. Colonel and Rear Admiral, that are not included on his list. Conspicuously, he does not include "Warrant Officer" (which there is a pin for, and these are the guys in the BG with the beige BDUs), in addition to Private (like [[Stewart Jaffee]]). I'll try to post the definitive list in a few weeks, but the edits that Serenity did are the most accurate to date with the presently available information I have. Attempts to revert them will probably resort in the page being locked, just so you know, since I don't want a needless edit war to break out. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, just what I was thinking. I don't get why this should be ''the'' definite list. It's a fine basis, but it's old and things have been added since then. And this page has always been speculative. In the past far more so than now. It's not like the speculative ranks aren't marked. I've included an (s) for those two ranks now, in addition to the footnotes. I wouldn't just add all kinds of speculation just because it sounds nice, but it's marked clearly enough. If people would rather have something more "official" they are free to skip those lines. It just doesn't make much sense to skip vice admiral for no reason, when rear admiral and admiral have been established, given that the ranks more or less follow real-world examples otherwise. And it's been on the list for one or two years without anyone really objecting.<br />
:In general my reverts here, have also been about style. Mainly odd capitalization. Things like "commissioned officer" just aren't capitalized (unless in the headers of the table and such). But neither are ranks. It's "Johnson is a lieutenant", but "Tell Lieutenant Johnson". That's also [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Military_terms|what Wikipedia uses]], though they are a bit inconsistent with it. Other sources like [http://www.hjf.org/style_guide/style.html#Titles this], [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm this] or [http://stylemanual.ngs.org/Intranet/styleman.nsf/2050e60b02a59c46852566510067477d/2fa90f9b71e105f6852566880054c234?OpenDocument this] also make this clear. I've also noted that people try to capitalize "president" and "vice president" on every occasion. The same rules usually apply there unless it's the full title of the office like "President of the Twelve Colonies"-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: All true. By the way, I'd like to get rid of the "Junior Grade"/"Senior Grade" stuff and simply go with "Junior Lieutenant" and "Senior Lieutenant", since this is what they identify these ranks by behind the scenes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::On screen both are used though (though in props mostly junior lieutenant). They seem to exist side by side. There is a footnote about it, actually (#7). Maybe that could be changed to make it clearer, or switched around. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The only real mentions of "Lieutenant Junior Grade" are in the Miniseries, and that was quickly dropped, along with a few other things that didn't quite work from the miniseries. (Such as the "Blade Runner" guns from the Miniseries, which weren't built to last anyway and were just poorly designed.) But I see your point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Initial new information ==<br />
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This is by no means the complete list of ranks, but it's based off the pin-ordering sheet I have in front of me. (No, I can't scan it. Sorry.)<br />
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From highest to lowest (these are the "green fill" verisons):<br />
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* Crew Master Chief<br />
* Crew Senior Chief (this is what Tyrol wears before his demotion for being an ass)<br />
* Sergeant 1st Class (basically the Junior Lieutenant, except the fill is green, not gold).<br />
* Crew Sergeant (like crew specialist, but has another border—with no breaks—between the outside border and the diamond)<br />
* Crew Specialist <br />
* Crewman (which is the same pin as the "Private" that Jaffee wears)<br />
* Crewman Apprentice <br />
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The gold versions:<br />
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* Commander<br />
* Colonel<br />
* Warrant Officer (worn by those in the beige BDUs, it's similar to the Crew Master Chief, itself a cross between the Lt. Col and Crew Senior Chief pips)<br />
* Lt. Colonel (these are the pins that Dualla was wearing in "LDYB" Pt. II<br />
* Major<br />
* Captain<br />
* Senior Lieutenant<br />
* Junior Lieutenant<br />
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As we've already determined earlier, the "ensign" rank pin does not exist.<br />
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I'm working on finding about the Admiral pins. <br />
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Also, an interesting story about the flight wings that the pilots wear... the symbols in the middle resemble the Captain's rank pins. There's a reason for this. The pins were also supposed to echo the rank of the wearer, but this idea was abandoned during the production. I don't know why, but I'll lay my money on the fact that it had to do with cost. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:That actually fits pretty well with the current structure (aside from the names), but some of the enlisted ranks as they are now have been established in dialogue. For example, Dualla is called petty officer second class by Billy, and I think Tyrol is identified as chief petty officer as well. The term "petty officer" in general is also mentioned (for example by Adama when he demotes Tyrol). So that would screw things up a bit.<br />
:As for warrant officer. Not everyone in beige BDUs can be a WO. Some of the Marines who have been identified with other ranks wear them as well, most notably Hadrian. It would probably be more accurate to say that in practice all WOs wear beige. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I don't know, this list is a little confusing, it seems like it's a combination of marine and fleet ranks. When you get a chance Joe, I'd like to say a side by side break down of rank equivalents, I have some other questions regarding this list but I'll hold them because I think a side-by-side might answer them. Particularly because some of Joe's comments seem to contradict what we have known up to know.<br />
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I'm sure you guys have all seen the graphical rank guide put out by somebody (I can't remember the name of the top of my head but I'd be interested both to see the next update and how the new information jibes with the current version. Does anybody know how to contact this guy?<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 15:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Military_Ranks_(RDM)/Archive3&diff=167378Talk:Military Ranks (RDM)/Archive32008-08-31T15:50:06Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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== Number ==<br />
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Shouldn't Commander be listed as O-7 and Rear Admiral as O-8? Not even getting into the debate over the officer/flag officer status of the Commander rank (although it could go either way (the Colonial forces could have seven officer ranks)), but why is it listed as N/A? It's clearly higher than Colonel, which is O-6. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 21:05, 26 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:The numbers correspond with the US ranks, not the BSG ranks. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:13, 27 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== PO3 ==<br />
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I understand the note about Venner, since PO3 and Cpl are equivalent, but the page itself does quote RDM who says that there is no PO3 grade. How can the page be modified to show this? --[[User:Kevin W.|<b><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400">Kevin W.</span></b>]]<sup>&bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|<span style="color: #DC143C ">So say we all</span>]]</sup> 18:27, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Mhh, you're right. Though I don't consider that one blog entry as the very last word on it. Ideas might have changed a bit by now. Who knows.<br />
:Anyways, the list incluces PO3 mainly for the sake of completion I guess. It does say that some aspects of the table are speculative and that was always ok. You could add a footnote, like done for all other annotations. Then the explination shows up under "references". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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== New information ==<br />
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There's an article that is a few months old on galactica.tv about the pins and symbols of the uniforms [http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/rank-insignia-and-symbolism-analysis-for-battlestar-galactica-2003-update.html here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 08:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:The new information is really the tiny details that are available from of the pins. Our insignia pictures are from that very same rank chart, so the information is already reflected, except for the narrower Lt.j.g. pin. I can update that later. We just have drawings instead of photographs which is somewhat cleaner however. Maybe the great photo of the Commander pin could be included somehow? (like "more images").<br />
:Maybe the information on the other uniform devices could be put on [[Uniforms (RDM)]] though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:10, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Sounds good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:30, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Recent round of edits ==<br />
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I got caught up in this again. If I come off as harsh or all to superior, I'm really sorry, but I think this page is pretty good as it is. And all the rest is really pretty nitpicky.<br />
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I think it comes down to to different approaches:<br />
#That the whole comparison to modern militaries (specifically the US Navy) is overdone.<br />
#Some people seem to be more interested having a close to perfect comparison. Nothing wrong with that. <br />
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Personally, I'm clearly in camp 1. Sure there are many parallels. But it's not exactly the same. So this page shouldn't be forced to do something that just isn't there. And in the last major overhauls I tried to excise many of the unnecessary comparisons and make more BSG arguments for things. As it stands, we have reasonable good evidence (sometimes conjectural) that commander more closely resembles a modern captain. Like it doesn't seem to be considered a flag rank; and Roslin also seems to imply that she sees Adama as captain in "Resurrection Ship, Part II". The rest is just made fit as best as possible. Putting Lt. opposed to Lt. make most sense, and so that leaves one rank free. It's not all that clear, but it's there.<br />
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So how do other people feel about this? Not so much about the details, but the whole approach of the article. Is the US Navy thing really that important? Should the article be more about BSG? Should we maybe just ditch the comparison if it's so troublesome and not perfect anyways? I think we can keep it, but it just needs to be clear that it's not supposed to be 1:1. I updated the introduction further to try to reflect that. Maybe I'm just too invested here, because I made a lot substantial edits to it, but I also don't like if people just change substantial things, when we had a sort-of consensus about it.<br />
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To the people who made those edits: I know you are new. I know that you haven't read everything. And I really don't want to seem overly harsh to you. That's why I'm trying to explain and discuss this here. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 22 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Why not just scrap the US Naval Rank column ==<br />
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Absent anything from Ron Moore or the writer's bible, it's all speculation and guesstimation. The only salient comparisons within the RDM Galactica universe would be Fleet vs. Marines. The "Official Statement" is self-explanatory. And like a lot of good fiction, sometimes it's best to leave some details to the individual's own imagination ... {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}<br />
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:Yeah, I'm just about ready do that. We can also keep it, but people just have to realize that it won't fit perfectly. It's a rough guideline, but nothing more. I've inserted two paragraphs now that point that out, without actually hitting the reader of the head.<br />
:That whole part is really from the very first version of this article, that was actually more about finding arguments for that comparison table than documenting the BSG universe. Sure you can make a table that lines all up 1:1, but after some discussion most people felt that there are more points to compare the BSG rank of commander to a real world captain, and the rest is built around that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:38, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::My only concern with deleting it is that it's the type of thing that might get periodically re-added by passers-by. I'd advise some note on the article to head that off, but I have doubts as to whether that would be heeded. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::True. And while it's not that important, there is some merit to the comparison. It shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously (pot.kettle.black. ;)), but some people are probably interested to know where certain ranks fall. In retrospect I realize that while there were explanations for certain ranks, there was no explanation for the overall structure. That was an oversight that is hopefully corrected now. We can't expect people to read long arguments on the talk pages to understand how some things are decided, and parts of this article were just presented "as is" without clarification. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 23 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Room for other ranks?==<br />
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It is hard to beleive that the ranks shown thus far are the only ones. There would logically be something like Midshipman for officer trainees and Lieutenant-Colonel. If so, the Midshipman grad would be easy to figure out (a white diamond), though Lt. Col would be a little more difficult, given the differences between the Colonel and Major insignia. Just a thought... [[User:Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]] 16:58, 27 December 2007 (PST)<br />
: True. However, we go with ranks that we've either seen or heard on screen or via behind-the-scenes sources. We don't really speculate on any "missing" ranks, since that falls under "[[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 19:05, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Specialist classes==<br />
IMO the specialist class ranks from the [[Flight of the Phoenix]] and [[Revelations]] credits should be considered official unless they are refuted by a more recent official source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What specialist class ranks are you referring to?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The credits list Figurski as "Specialist 3rd class". So, there appear to be at least 3 subdivisions here. But it's not that clear how they should be split up. We also only have a single rank insignia for specialist. I'll add a footnote for now, as it should be noted. It should probably be included into the table, but the question is how. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== RDM's list ==<br />
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Seeing the edits on the page, I need to chime in here. RDM's list, which was published over three years ago, is not the definitive list and we should not be a slave to it. There have been introductions of new ranks since then, like Lt. Colonel and Rear Admiral, that are not included on his list. Conspicuously, he does not include "Warrant Officer" (which there is a pin for, and these are the guys in the BG with the beige BDUs), in addition to Private (like [[Stewart Jaffee]]). I'll try to post the definitive list in a few weeks, but the edits that Serenity did are the most accurate to date with the presently available information I have. Attempts to revert them will probably resort in the page being locked, just so you know, since I don't want a needless edit war to break out. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, just what I was thinking. I don't get why this should be ''the'' definite list. It's a fine basis, but it's old and things have been added since then. And this page has always been speculative. In the past far more so than now. It's not like the speculative ranks aren't marked. I've included an (s) for those two ranks now, in addition to the footnotes. I wouldn't just add all kinds of speculation just because it sounds nice, but it's marked clearly enough. If people would rather have something more "official" they are free to skip those lines. It just doesn't make much sense to skip vice admiral for no reason, when rear admiral and admiral have been established, given that the ranks more or less follow real-world examples otherwise. And it's been on the list for one or two years without anyone really objecting.<br />
:In general my reverts here, have also been about style. Mainly odd capitalization. Things like "commissioned officer" just aren't capitalized (unless in the headers of the table and such). But neither are ranks. It's "Johnson is a lieutenant", but "Tell Lieutenant Johnson". That's also [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Military_terms|what Wikipedia uses]], though they are a bit inconsistent with it. Other sources like [http://www.hjf.org/style_guide/style.html#Titles this], [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm this] or [http://stylemanual.ngs.org/Intranet/styleman.nsf/2050e60b02a59c46852566510067477d/2fa90f9b71e105f6852566880054c234?OpenDocument this] also make this clear. I've also noted that people try to capitalize "president" and "vice president" on every occasion. The same rules usually apply there unless it's the full title of the office like "President of the Twelve Colonies"-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: All true. By the way, I'd like to get rid of the "Junior Grade"/"Senior Grade" stuff and simply go with "Junior Lieutenant" and "Senior Lieutenant", since this is what they identify these ranks by behind the scenes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::On screen both are used though (though in props mostly junior lieutenant). They seem to exist side by side. There is a footnote about it, actually (#7). Maybe that could be changed to make it clearer, or switched around. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The only real mentions of "Lieutenant Junior Grade" are in the Miniseries, and that was quickly dropped, along with a few other things that didn't quite work from the miniseries. (Such as the "Blade Runner" guns from the Miniseries, which weren't built to last anyway and were just poorly designed.) But I see your point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Initial new information ==<br />
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This is by no means the complete list of ranks, but it's based off the pin-ordering sheet I have in front of me. (No, I can't scan it. Sorry.)<br />
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From highest to lowest (these are the "green fill" verisons):<br />
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* Crew Master Chief<br />
* Crew Senior Chief (this is what Tyrol wears before his demotion for being an ass)<br />
* Sergeant 1st Class (basically the Junior Lieutenant, except the fill is green, not gold).<br />
* Crew Sergeant (like crew specialist, but has another border—with no breaks—between the outside border and the diamond)<br />
* Crew Specialist <br />
* Crewman (which is the same pin as the "Private" that Jaffee wears)<br />
* Crewman Apprentice <br />
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The gold versions:<br />
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* Commander<br />
* Colonel<br />
* Warrant Officer (worn by those in the beige BDUs, it's similar to the Crew Master Chief, itself a cross between the Lt. Col and Crew Senior Chief pips)<br />
* Lt. Colonel (these are the pins that Dualla was wearing in "LDYB" Pt. II<br />
* Major<br />
* Captain<br />
* Senior Lieutenant<br />
* Junior Lieutenant<br />
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As we've already determined earlier, the "ensign" rank pin does not exist.<br />
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I'm working on finding about the Admiral pins. <br />
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Also, an interesting story about the flight wings that the pilots wear... the symbols in the middle resemble the Captain's rank pins. There's a reason for this. The pins were also supposed to echo the rank of the wearer, but this idea was abandoned during the production. I don't know why, but I'll lay my money on the fact that it had to do with cost. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:That actually fits pretty well with the current structure (aside from the names), but some of the enlisted ranks as they are now have been established in dialogue. For example, Dualla is called petty officer second class by Billy, and I think Tyrol is identified as chief petty officer as well. The term "petty officer" in general is also mentioned (for example by Adama when he demotes Tyrol). So that would screw things up a bit.<br />
:As for warrant officer. Not everyone in beige BDUs can be a WO. Some of the Marines who have been identified with other ranks wear them as well, most notably Hadrian. It would probably be more accurate to say that in practice all WOs wear beige. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I don't know, this list is a little confusing, it seems like it's a combination of marine and fleet ranks. When you get a chance Joe, I'd like to say a side by side break down of rank equivalents, I have some other questions regarding this list but I'll hold them because I think a side-by-side might answer them.<br />
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I'm sure you guys have all seen the graphical rank guide put out by somebody (I can't remember the name of the top of my head but I'd be interested both to see the next update and how the new information jibes with the current version. Does anybody know how to contact this guy?<br />
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[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 15:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Serenity&diff=167310User talk:Serenity2008-08-29T18:17:20Z<p>Grandmaester314: </p>
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== Military Ranks ==<br />
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I would have messaged you before now but I only just now figured out how to use the talk function.<br />
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I don't appreciate you just blanket undoing all of my changes which is why I simply remade them. This is a wiki so I fully expect my revisions to be further revised to some degree, but I think it's incredibly disrespectful to just undo them in their entirety. In addition many of my changes were clerical (changing lower case letters to capitals for example) and undoing those to me makes no sense. <br />
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Second, the reason I keep removing the Petty Officer Second Class/Master Sergeant and Rear Admiral ranks has nothing to do with them not being on Ron Moore's list. It has to do with the fact that unlike other ranks like Rear Admiral, which although not mentioned on Ron Moore's list, have been definitively established on screen; those two ranks have not been established by any authority for the show onscreen or otherwise. In addition I thought we abandoned trying to match it with the U.S. Rank system when we struck that part of the chart. I think we should limit the ranks we list to those that have been definitively established, especially given how complex the rank structure is getting. <br />
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Third I believe it's valid to offer possible explanations for rank insignias that haven't been shown. I believe you yourself offered a great deal of speculation on the page dealing with Valkyrie, and if not at least supported them when I tried to edit them to support different theories; so I don't see how it can be ok to speculate on one page but not on another as long as the speculation is reasonably supported.<br />
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If you have a problem with something I put up let's discuss it rather than engaging in an edit war, such tactics are completely counterproductive and a waste of both of our time. {{unsigned|Grandmaester314}}<br />
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: The ranking system is about to become even more complex. However, I've had to revert your edits and lock the page temporarily, since I really don't want an edit war to go on—plus Serenity's are the closest to the actual stuff used on the show, as opposed to your edits. (As a consultant / assistant researcher on the [http://www.battlestarprops.com Battlestar Galactica Props and Costumes] auctions run by PropWorx and Unviersal, I have access to behind-the-scenes documentation regarding the rank pins used in the show. I'll add the missing ranks and their corresponding pins here in a few weeks or so, since it's not a high priority for me at this moment.) <br />
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: Also, given Serenity's status as an administrator and the fact that he can edit the page even if it's locked, I'll ask that Serenity not edit the ranks page in question until it's been unlocked again. <br />
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: Don't take this action personally. It's just that none of us should be wasting our time editing the page until I get the chance to add what needs to be added there. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:*As for the style edits. Ranks are not capitalized unless they're used as titles, followed by a name. That's what other pages here do, or should at least. It's the standard that Wikipedia uses (although a bit inconsistently) and it's what's used in the real world generally; for example [http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/111201.htm here] or the official [http://www.navy.mil/tools/view_styleguide_all.asp Navy style guide]. That's why I changed that. Yes, the ranks are capitalized in the table, but that's a bit different from prose.<br />
:*I reverted some of the additions to the names, because some of them were superfluous. It's just supposed to be a few examples, not an exhaustive list of all officers. So I removed Shaw as lieutenant for example. And the stuff about "Razor Part 2" and such doesn't make much sense. There aren't any parts to the movie.<br />
:*I initially removed the rank insignia speculation because I thought it went on for far too long for a mere footnote and drew too much comparisons to real-world examples. Then I realized that there is merit to it and re-added it in a condensed form, that gets the main point across. See footnotes #11 and #12. It's still there.<br />
:*As for the real-world rank comparison. That has been discussed at some length on the talk page, and while arguments can be made for both, it was generally felt that it makes most sense to have a commander to be the same as a captain. But getting rid of the comparison at all is the best course of action, considering the trouble it caused.<br />
:*As for the speculative ranks. They've been there for maybe two years and nobody complained about it before. The footnotes make it clear that they haven't been established on screen, so they can easily be ignored if someone prefers that. I think there are more arguments to include them than there are against them (there is just no reason to not have them, when the rest of the NCO list follows the usual structure). In any case, this is probably a moot point with Joe having something of a complete list. In general, this is an article that lends itself to some deduction. Assuming that there is a rank missing or how some insignia might look can be well-grounded reasoning. That's a bit different from just wildly guessing about the purpose of a certain ship type for example.<br />
:*I realize that this has been a sad edit war and I didn't like it, but we are both to blame. I pointed out the capitalization issue in the edit summary for example. We could also have discussed this on talk pages earlier instead of just reverting back and forth. I left a note on your talk page about something else and should have written another when this went out of hand, but I wasn't sure if you'd read it. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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First, thanks for the response. Second, I have several points I'd like to make, I apologize in advance if this gets rather lengthy.<br />
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In response to the recent unpleasantness:<br />
*I did read your initial message but as I indicated to Joe, until yesterday, I couldn't figure out how to respond. <br />
*I realize I have a tendency to get overly wordy, its a function of my vocabulary and writing style which definitely has something of a flourish to it, however since I couldn't figure out how to consolidate my comments any further than I already had, I figured I'd post it and let someone else figure out how to consolidate them.<br />
*I agree with you and Joe that it is counterproductive to keep revising this page when he will shortly have a bunch of new, and more definitive information.<br />
*I know we got off on the wrong foot but I hope we can change that, you seem to be one of the people most interested in this topic, which to me is perhaps the most interesting one, and I think we could have some very productive discussions.<br />
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I'd also like to make some BSG related comments for you to think about:<br />
*Assuming that Joe doesn't provide further clarification on the Lt. Colonel issue I think it's something that should still be discussed further before a final conclusion is made as to it's exact role. I have a very different opinion on it than you seem to. I think it may not be a rank at all. <br />
**Credits have been known to be mislisted before and their have been instances where ranks have been listed that either conflicted with their insignia (such as Agathon wearing a full lieutenant's chevrons but claiming to be a junior lieutenant), or were never established in the ranks structure (such as the multiple classes of specialist I've heard referred to).<br />
**Officers of different ranks have worn it.<br />
**The insignia doesn't follow any kind of trend like all the other ranks do which would place it in a specific rank catagory.<br />
***The enlisted ranks all have standard diamond shapes with silver borders and green inlay, junior officers all have the same general diamond shape and silver border that enlisted ranks do but have gold inlay, and the other senior officers all have a progression based on a foundation of the full colonel design which is a gold diamond with an extended tapered edge on the bottom and a raised red phoenix logo in the center.<br />
***This insignia has charactoristics from all these classes and others that are unique to it. It shares the same basic diamond shape and raised border as the enlisted and junior officer ranks. On the other hand it shares it's completely gold color and phoenix logo with the senior officer ranks. However, unlike the enlisted and junior officer ranks which have a raised silver border, it's raised border is the same gold as the rest of it, as is the raised diamond in the center (similar raised designs in the enlisted ranks are the same silver as the border in contrast to the green inlay). At the same time it also diverges from the senior officer ranks because its diamond shape doesn't share the same evolving design as the other senior officers and also unlike the other senior officers its phoenix is engraved and unpainted as opposed to raised and red colored.<br />
**For these reasons I think this device is designed to indicate someone granted a special role. In Dualla's case it might have been used to indicate her XO status which wouldn't be at all apparent from her actual rank since under normal circumstances, a lieutenant junior grade would never be XO of a battlestar. Now as to why Fisk wore it, I can only speculate, perhaps he wasn't supposed to be a permanent member of the crew but was only on board at the time of the attacks because he had some role in Pegasus' overhaul.<br />
*Unless Joe is able to definitively place him in the rank structure, I think Marine Lieutenant Burrell should be removed from the list of examples on the ranks chart since we can't definitively place his rank in the overall rank structure. Besides as Joe pointed out (and I hadn't really realized), the list isn't intended to be exhaustive. While I understand the desire to have him on the list since he is the only Marine officer we have seen, I think we shouldn't place him on the list until we now for sure where he goes.<br />
*Given a comment from Joe I know ascede to the fact that their may well be a Senior Chief Petty Officer Rank (in fact it would resolve a major issue for me namely, why use the rank of gunnery sergeant when you don't use master sergeant?), at least enough for me to feel ok including it in the list. However given the fact that Cally was promoted directly from Specialist to PO2 I believe it's safe to conclude two things: First, there is no P.O. Third Class. Second, given that the rank of Corporal has been established and would normally be equivalent to PO3, there is indeed no Lance Corporal rank and Corporal is just shifted down one and slotted in next to Specialist. I believe almost as strongly that their is no Vice Admiral rank for a number of reasons. In addition to the fact that it has never even been mentioned, the most notable reason is that if you take a look at the uniform fringe colors for Admiral and Rear Admiral, there doesn't seem to be room for an intermediate rank because the next logical progression from the Rear Admiral's gold over silver is the Fleet Admiral's solid gold.<br />
*Finally, I differ in my assessment of the place of Commander in the rank structure. I believe that Commanders are more closely akin to a one-star admiral than to a Captain in the U.S. Navy. They do fulfill aspects of both roles, but given that battlestars are often dispatched on their own, that Admiral's are only assigned when their are multiple military ships in a group as opposed to unarmed support vessels, and that in reality a carrier task force usually has more than one admiral (usually a two- or three-star in overall command, and at least one one- or two-star admiral in charge of all the screening ships. I believe that equating Commander with Captain does not accurately recognize the scope of a Commander's authorities and duties or his significantly higher standing in the overall command structure. Also I think it can be expected that there are other military vessels which aren't battlestars which may at times accompany a battlestar group and I think for such smaller vessels, it would likely be Colonel or even a Major in certain circumstances who be in direct command of the specific vessel (after all the navy assigns commanding officers of different ranks to command different types of ships based on their size and purpose.<br />
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Any way I know I am probably babbling by now but I thought I'd give you some idea of some of the things I would like to discuss in the future.<br />
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I am also going to send Joe a list of things that I think are most important to clear up. I think it might be helpful for him to have some guidelines see he can target his research. These include:<br />
*A definite equivalence table for Marine and Fleet enlisted ranks<br />
*The real nature of the so-called "Lt. Colonel" insignia<br />
*Whether the Marines have a different officer structure than the Fleet.<br />
*The exact number of officer and enlisted ranks <br />
*Whether there are any other officer ranks that haven't been introduced.<br />
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Again I apologize for the length of the message but I thought it might inspire some constructive discussion.<br />
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 18:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Grandmaester314