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2008-09-05T15:05:28Z

Gcapp1959: New page: I was born in 1959, so I was 19 when the original series went on the air, but I didn't have any interest in it, although I saw the occasional episode when my father and brother, who did li...

I was born in 1959, so I was 19 when the original series went on the air, but I didn't have any interest in it, although I saw the occasional episode when my father and brother, who did like it, were watching. I recall "Greetings From Earth".

I didn't get into it until 1982, when I got my first TV set and would watch reruns of it on Sunday afternoons on KVOS-TV from Bellingham. That's when I did get interested in it. Actually, I think I listened to episodes for two months before I bought the TV, since I had cable and hooked it up to my clock radio, which had VHF TV reception capability.

I had wished for so many years that Glenn Larson would have the chance to produce a concluding miniseries (which I originally would not disregard Galactica 1980) where a Cylon attack on Earth forces the Galactica to act, while at the same time giving them the opening they need to reveal themselves to Earth. Right now, I'm trying to write my own personal version on a variation of that, but disregarding Galactica 1980 in this version. I'm incorporating elements from the reimagined series, such as personal names, but I'm also including an FTL jump capability in the Galactica only that had never been used because no other ship in the fleet had the capability, and because the 12 Colonies were in a very dense star cluster until the episode "The Hand of God", and now are in relatively empty space. But the story is only for my personal enjoyment; I have no plans to publish it.

Speaking of the reimagined series: beautiful effects, beautiful sets, beautiful models, and I like the FTL aspect that allows them to realistically get from star to star. The idea of Cylon humanoids infiltrating is interesting. Recasting Baltar as an innocent dupe instead of a power-mad privileged citizen was creative.

BUT... I do not like the explicit implication of Starbuck's old expletive as being the English language's infamous F-word. And I don't like the explicit depiction of so many sexual behaviours. Thus, I have watched almost none of the new series. I am disappointed that Ronald Moore, who brought us Star Trek series in the 1990s, lowered the bar and made the new Galactica nothing suitable for a family to watch.

I also didn't care to see that the Colonials also made the mistake of putting women on high-heeled shoes. I've already registered my opinion on the waste of paper by cutting corners (some 3-6 percent of the paper, depending on the size of the page and the size of the corners cut off). And a society that can build huge starships should also be capable of somewhat more advanced civilian technology than what is shown... they could have tried for mid to late 21st century type civilization, while taking precautions, but after 40 years, they might be lowering their guard on the Cylons.

Talk:Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies/Archive 1

2008-09-04T12:58:37Z

Gcapp1959:

==Purpose==
This page serves to collect all information on arts, literature, music, and aesthetics in the twelve colonies. It is currently a merger of [[Edward Prima]], [[Dark Day]], [[A Murder on Picon]], [[Kataris]] and [[Monclair]], with additional notes on the abstract art of [[Kara Thrace]] and her father's piano compositions, as proposed on [[Talk:Polygons]]. The current version is a very rough draft. This article will eventually include notes on colonial aesthetics (octagons, hexagons, etc.) and some more prosaic introductory text, and become part of the [[Battlestar Wiki:The Twelve Colonies|the Twelve Colonies series]].

Suggestions are welcome. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:00, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

==Aesthetics==
Merv, please leave the outline on Aesthetics alone until I have a chance to fill it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

:As a dumping ground compilation of the various arts pages I agree, but there don't need to be whole subsections on the cut corners; a mention in the intro will do. I'm assuming popular culture counted too?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:04, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

::Would you give me a day or two to put something together before passing final judgement? I think it could be a fairly interesting section of the article, and the need for something of this nature was pointed out convincingly on [[Talk:Polygons]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:07, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

::Oh yeah, sorry I thought it was as done was it was going to be; didn't see that it was a new project thing. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:29, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

==Dreilide Thrace==
The Merovingian deleted the reference to Dreilide Thrace with the edit summary: "We don't know her father's name".

With respect, I submit that if the SkyOne information is good enough for us to have articles on the otherwise unnamed [[Joseph Adama|Joseph]] and [[Evelyn Adama]], we can rely on it for Mr. Thrace's given name until contradicted by the series. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

:....I don't know if we should do that: A) SkyOne isn't a definative source B) most importantly, '''This SkyOne information was *taken down*'''. It no longer exists online. Maybe they took it down....because it was no longer "correct"? I've pointed out in several character bios, notably [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]], that information from SkyOne's old bio stuff has in fact been ''contradicted'' several times by new information.

:You are right: I was unaware that that was the ''sole'' source of William Adama's mother's name (his father's name is engraved on the lighter), but if SkyOne is indeed the sole source of this info I'm going to slap a proposal for deletion on "Evelyn Adama". We really shouldn't use it if it's not from Scifi, and was actually ''removed''. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:33, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

::I've copied this to [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad]]. Let's continue the discussion there. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:48, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

I've set to remove all SkyOne bio information from regular articles and just limit it to the [[Series bible]] page. Discussion about whether to even delete it from there should continue on that page's Talk section. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:08, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

==Image Requests==
*Kataris: Either Palladino's bound copy of his poems, or the threatening message on Tigh's mirror.
*Dark Day: A screen cap of Adama giving the book to Roslin, or Roslin returning it to Adama
*Dreilide Thrace: Can we link to the [http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/clipserve/B0000026Y4001001/1/ref=mu_sam_ra001_001/ streaming media] sample of "Metamorphosis One" on Amazon?
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:13, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
:What about the free, full copy of it posted in Galacticastation's media section? Click on my username at the end of this message: I already hotlinked it into my 'music to work to' section. :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:10, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
::Link's broken. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:37, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

==Efficiency==
Buzzword of the day: the technical reason squares are the most "efficient" shape is because they are the [[Wikipedia:measure polytope|measure polytope]] of two-dimensional space. The [[Wikipedia:Octagon|Octagon]], meanwhile, cannot tesselate 2-space. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:59, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
:Thanks for the tidbit; that's really quite interesting. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:25, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:: Maybe they should reverse the polarity, thus creating an inverse phase variance. I'm not sure if I'm up on all this "science" and "math" but a blind man told me that might work sometimes. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 21:18, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

==Big Enough?==

I added two sections on Sculpture and Architecture, including 3 thumbnail images. Is that enough to expand this article sufficiently or should I hunt down more? --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 15:53, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would hope that all the TODO's would be done (or at least removed) before removing the expansion tag. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:59, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:I'm not sure what your basis is for identifying the two unnamed cities with a pre-federalist aesthetic, and Caprica city with a federalist aesthetic. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:40, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

Homeworld616 I appreciate your work and a lot of its good...but most of this is just "we put a camera on downtown Vancouver because that's where we film", and you're trying to base theories on that. I mean the bemusing thing is to add on notes to like, Caprica or the Miniseries + "Epiphanies" and say "this is really shot on SFU's campus in Vancouver", but it doesn't really mean anything. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:51, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:Yeah. I'd rather not read too much into the architectural variations. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:23, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::Sorry about all this you guys. I just write about what I see. I apologize for my overzealous detail-espousing and theory-making. I'll try to improve that. Anyhow, my basis for the different aesthetics ranging from the unnamed cities to Caprica City is, on secondary review on my part, unfounded. I see mixtures of both "styles" in each city. I'll get on that. Also, if you don't want to read into that architectural detail mumbo-jumbo I'll trim down the Kobol section (which, since Kobol wasn't a colony, I don't know if that section should even ''be'' here). I can also take superfluous detail off of the other sections and perhaps combine them. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:17, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::There. Does this form please you? --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:24, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

==Galactica v. Pegasus==

''Galactica'' corridors are pretty much just pentagons while those on ''Pegasus'' are octagons. That clears up that TODO, doesn't it? (I asked this question because I didn't want to write false info into the article. I'd like this hallway shape verified first). --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:33, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:I believe that the corridor junctions on ''Galactica'' form acute angles, whereas the junctions on ''Pegasus'' are at right angles. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:37, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

It would also be nice to get some more images and rethink their layout in this article before going live. The image to text ratio is going to be necessarily high due to topic matter - I think this calls for judicious use of the gallery tag. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:45, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

::Right, I agree with you. We need to hunt down some images. I'll try Google.--[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 12:28, 4 July 2006 (CDT)
:::We use GalacticaStation.com's episode guide's screencap gallerys for many of our day to day screencap needs. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:55, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

Beyond a brief mention of how Pegasus looks more advanced than Galactica, the actual place for pointing out the differences should really be under [[Mercury class battlestar]], though we're actually waiting for the Extended Version of Pegasus to come out because RDM said in the podcast that there is a scene in it where they mention some of the differences, so that's on hold till September. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:57, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

:I've completed the merge from a separate article on the shapes and forms to the article, also adding the Pegasus/Galactica shape question. It's from memory, so do correct with picture evidence. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:09, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

== TV design...an aesthetic? ==

I first realized this when [[User: Sauron18]] brought this up on the [[Channel 7 News]] article [[Talk: Channel 7 News|discussion page]]. We've technically seen three Colonial TV sets, two at Baltar's house in the [[Miniseries]] and one at Boomer's apartment in [[Downloaded]]. Both times, the TV sets were vertical rectangular screens. Would this be an aesthetic, kind of like the aversion to right angles fettish? (although, with some sense of irony, the corners for the TV sets ''are'' right angles)--[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 06:11, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Ever consider the mechanical hell necessary to make a hexagonal display? In all seriousness, I think the orientation is more important than the shape; it a space conserving look. They could've placed triangles at the corners to "fake" the hex shape, but when it comes to informational displays, the Colonials appear just as rectangular as the rest of us. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:09, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

== Merging articles. ==

The [[Tattoo]] article has been merged. As this article is supposed to describe the Twelve Colonies' tastes and not those of the actors, references to the nature of the actor's personal tattoos has been either made a reference point or deleted to keep the article on-topic and germane.

I have also removed Dreilide Thrace from the article, replacing it with "Kara Thrace's Father," as that name is not canonical per wiki policy not to treat Sky One's biographies as canonical. A reference notes this adjustment. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:59, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

== Popular music ==

There is loud music playing in Boomer's apartment in "Downloaded" and some songs play in [[Joe's bar]]. This might be worth mentioning, but I don't really know what to say except "Colonial popular music is similar to modern Earth", which is kind of obvious anyways. Or we just note appearances of such music without any commentary. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:17, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
: Well, one of the pieces playing in Joe's Bar is apparently something by [[Raya Yarborough]], according to [[Bear McCreary]], and it apparently came from the "Rest Stop" soundtrack. Otherwise, we should just note its appearance without commentary, since we don't know much about the pieces they've chosen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 12:56, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

== Right Angles ==

Do we have any idea where the deal with the Colonials and right angles stems from? Is there some reason behind it or is it just a cultural quirk? {{unsigned|Rapturous}}
: It was actually a joke that went overboard... They had to cut corners in producing the Miniseries, so, well, they cut corners. It should be noted somewhere -- but it should really be noted here as well, now that you've brought the subject up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 16:02, 15 October 2007 (CDT)
::In the Companion (see footnote 11) it's also stated that there is a production reason behind it. It was a joke, but they also felt that it would be a way to make the world a bit more different despite the similarities. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:06, 15 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Danged waste of paper, cutting the corners off. In the production environment of the show, what do they do with those scraps of paper? In the context of the genre, what do the Colonials do with the scraps? Recycle them? I have to assume that a society that's learned to make space flight routine has also learned to produce only recyclable materials and to recycle everything as a matter of personal habit. [[User:Gcapp1959|Gcapp1959]] 12:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies/Archive 1

2008-09-04T12:53:42Z

Gcapp1959:

==Purpose==
This page serves to collect all information on arts, literature, music, and aesthetics in the twelve colonies. It is currently a merger of [[Edward Prima]], [[Dark Day]], [[A Murder on Picon]], [[Kataris]] and [[Monclair]], with additional notes on the abstract art of [[Kara Thrace]] and her father's piano compositions, as proposed on [[Talk:Polygons]]. The current version is a very rough draft. This article will eventually include notes on colonial aesthetics (octagons, hexagons, etc.) and some more prosaic introductory text, and become part of the [[Battlestar Wiki:The Twelve Colonies|the Twelve Colonies series]].

Suggestions are welcome. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:00, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

==Aesthetics==
Merv, please leave the outline on Aesthetics alone until I have a chance to fill it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

:As a dumping ground compilation of the various arts pages I agree, but there don't need to be whole subsections on the cut corners; a mention in the intro will do. I'm assuming popular culture counted too?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:04, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

::Would you give me a day or two to put something together before passing final judgement? I think it could be a fairly interesting section of the article, and the need for something of this nature was pointed out convincingly on [[Talk:Polygons]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:07, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

::Oh yeah, sorry I thought it was as done was it was going to be; didn't see that it was a new project thing. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:29, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

==Dreilide Thrace==
The Merovingian deleted the reference to Dreilide Thrace with the edit summary: "We don't know her father's name".

With respect, I submit that if the SkyOne information is good enough for us to have articles on the otherwise unnamed [[Joseph Adama|Joseph]] and [[Evelyn Adama]], we can rely on it for Mr. Thrace's given name until contradicted by the series. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

:....I don't know if we should do that: A) SkyOne isn't a definative source B) most importantly, '''This SkyOne information was *taken down*'''. It no longer exists online. Maybe they took it down....because it was no longer "correct"? I've pointed out in several character bios, notably [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]], that information from SkyOne's old bio stuff has in fact been ''contradicted'' several times by new information.

:You are right: I was unaware that that was the ''sole'' source of William Adama's mother's name (his father's name is engraved on the lighter), but if SkyOne is indeed the sole source of this info I'm going to slap a proposal for deletion on "Evelyn Adama". We really shouldn't use it if it's not from Scifi, and was actually ''removed''. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:33, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

::I've copied this to [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad]]. Let's continue the discussion there. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:48, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

I've set to remove all SkyOne bio information from regular articles and just limit it to the [[Series bible]] page. Discussion about whether to even delete it from there should continue on that page's Talk section. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:08, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

==Image Requests==
*Kataris: Either Palladino's bound copy of his poems, or the threatening message on Tigh's mirror.
*Dark Day: A screen cap of Adama giving the book to Roslin, or Roslin returning it to Adama
*Dreilide Thrace: Can we link to the [http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/clipserve/B0000026Y4001001/1/ref=mu_sam_ra001_001/ streaming media] sample of "Metamorphosis One" on Amazon?
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:13, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
:What about the free, full copy of it posted in Galacticastation's media section? Click on my username at the end of this message: I already hotlinked it into my 'music to work to' section. :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:10, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
::Link's broken. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:37, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

==Efficiency==
Buzzword of the day: the technical reason squares are the most "efficient" shape is because they are the [[Wikipedia:measure polytope|measure polytope]] of two-dimensional space. The [[Wikipedia:Octagon|Octagon]], meanwhile, cannot tesselate 2-space. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:59, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
:Thanks for the tidbit; that's really quite interesting. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:25, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:: Maybe they should reverse the polarity, thus creating an inverse phase variance. I'm not sure if I'm up on all this "science" and "math" but a blind man told me that might work sometimes. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 21:18, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

==Big Enough?==

I added two sections on Sculpture and Architecture, including 3 thumbnail images. Is that enough to expand this article sufficiently or should I hunt down more? --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 15:53, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would hope that all the TODO's would be done (or at least removed) before removing the expansion tag. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:59, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:I'm not sure what your basis is for identifying the two unnamed cities with a pre-federalist aesthetic, and Caprica city with a federalist aesthetic. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:40, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

Homeworld616 I appreciate your work and a lot of its good...but most of this is just "we put a camera on downtown Vancouver because that's where we film", and you're trying to base theories on that. I mean the bemusing thing is to add on notes to like, Caprica or the Miniseries + "Epiphanies" and say "this is really shot on SFU's campus in Vancouver", but it doesn't really mean anything. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:51, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:Yeah. I'd rather not read too much into the architectural variations. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:23, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::Sorry about all this you guys. I just write about what I see. I apologize for my overzealous detail-espousing and theory-making. I'll try to improve that. Anyhow, my basis for the different aesthetics ranging from the unnamed cities to Caprica City is, on secondary review on my part, unfounded. I see mixtures of both "styles" in each city. I'll get on that. Also, if you don't want to read into that architectural detail mumbo-jumbo I'll trim down the Kobol section (which, since Kobol wasn't a colony, I don't know if that section should even ''be'' here). I can also take superfluous detail off of the other sections and perhaps combine them. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:17, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::There. Does this form please you? --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:24, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

==Galactica v. Pegasus==

''Galactica'' corridors are pretty much just pentagons while those on ''Pegasus'' are octagons. That clears up that TODO, doesn't it? (I asked this question because I didn't want to write false info into the article. I'd like this hallway shape verified first). --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:33, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:I believe that the corridor junctions on ''Galactica'' form acute angles, whereas the junctions on ''Pegasus'' are at right angles. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:37, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

It would also be nice to get some more images and rethink their layout in this article before going live. The image to text ratio is going to be necessarily high due to topic matter - I think this calls for judicious use of the gallery tag. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:45, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

::Right, I agree with you. We need to hunt down some images. I'll try Google.--[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 12:28, 4 July 2006 (CDT)
:::We use GalacticaStation.com's episode guide's screencap gallerys for many of our day to day screencap needs. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:55, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

Beyond a brief mention of how Pegasus looks more advanced than Galactica, the actual place for pointing out the differences should really be under [[Mercury class battlestar]], though we're actually waiting for the Extended Version of Pegasus to come out because RDM said in the podcast that there is a scene in it where they mention some of the differences, so that's on hold till September. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:57, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

:I've completed the merge from a separate article on the shapes and forms to the article, also adding the Pegasus/Galactica shape question. It's from memory, so do correct with picture evidence. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:09, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

== TV design...an aesthetic? ==

I first realized this when [[User: Sauron18]] brought this up on the [[Channel 7 News]] article [[Talk: Channel 7 News|discussion page]]. We've technically seen three Colonial TV sets, two at Baltar's house in the [[Miniseries]] and one at Boomer's apartment in [[Downloaded]]. Both times, the TV sets were vertical rectangular screens. Would this be an aesthetic, kind of like the aversion to right angles fettish? (although, with some sense of irony, the corners for the TV sets ''are'' right angles)--[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 06:11, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Ever consider the mechanical hell necessary to make a hexagonal display? In all seriousness, I think the orientation is more important than the shape; it a space conserving look. They could've placed triangles at the corners to "fake" the hex shape, but when it comes to informational displays, the Colonials appear just as rectangular as the rest of us. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:09, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

== Merging articles. ==

The [[Tattoo]] article has been merged. As this article is supposed to describe the Twelve Colonies' tastes and not those of the actors, references to the nature of the actor's personal tattoos has been either made a reference point or deleted to keep the article on-topic and germane.

I have also removed Dreilide Thrace from the article, replacing it with "Kara Thrace's Father," as that name is not canonical per wiki policy not to treat Sky One's biographies as canonical. A reference notes this adjustment. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:59, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

== Popular music ==

There is loud music playing in Boomer's apartment in "Downloaded" and some songs play in [[Joe's bar]]. This might be worth mentioning, but I don't really know what to say except "Colonial popular music is similar to modern Earth", which is kind of obvious anyways. Or we just note appearances of such music without any commentary. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:17, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
: Well, one of the pieces playing in Joe's Bar is apparently something by [[Raya Yarborough]], according to [[Bear McCreary]], and it apparently came from the "Rest Stop" soundtrack. Otherwise, we should just note its appearance without commentary, since we don't know much about the pieces they've chosen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 12:56, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

== Right Angles ==

Do we have any idea where the deal with the Colonials and right angles stems from? Is there some reason behind it or is it just a cultural quirk? {{unsigned|Rapturous}}
: It was actually a joke that went overboard... They had to cut corners in producing the Miniseries, so, well, they cut corners. It should be noted somewhere -- but it should really be noted here as well, now that you've brought the subject up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 16:02, 15 October 2007 (CDT)
::In the Companion (see footnote 11) it's also stated that there is a production reason behind it. It was a joke, but they also felt that it would be a way to make the world a bit more different despite the similarities. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:06, 15 October 2007 (CDT)
::Danged waste of paper, cutting the corners off. In the production environment of the show, what do they do with those scraps of paper? In the context of the genre, what do the Colonials do with the scraps? Recycle them? I have to assume that a society that's learned to make space flight routine has also learned to produce only recyclable materials and to recycle everything as a matter of personal habit. [[User:Gcapp1959|Gcapp1959]] 12:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)