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== Amazon EC2 feasibility? ==

Just came across this suggestion from one of our respondents to our [[BW:SURVEY|survey]]:

: "See if you can work a way to run the wiki (but not the mysql database) on Amazon EC2 servers, or some other "elastic" server farm where, as an episode airs, you can for 1 day suddenly boost the resources with which you run it tenfold, while not paying a big bill. Amazon EC2 does this but does not have static storage for your database, which would mean a lot of bandwidth to a remote database. However, another hosting company might offer you virtual servers by the hour on a network where they also let you keep your dedicated server and sql database."

Is this feasible? Could we do this? Pros? Cons? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:22, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:Well if there's a company out there that offers this for a reasonable price, why not? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:53, 27 February 2008 (CST)
:This is almost like squaid server. The only time that we do have downtime or very werid slowness is near airing, which is true. But when we goto the Battlestar Forum during those times, its as fast as a button, with no slow down. My mind tells me that is just a Mediawiki I/O program when it comes to having to reteive the database. We might have to run that connection test script again (disable stats of course) again with mem-cache enabled. Directing everyone off to an off-site database is not the problem. We do that already with Athena, which is on a different subnet than Apollo, it be almost investing in a "Load Balanceing" hardware that we can place in front of Apollo that filters traffic more directly. WWW --> Load Balancer -- double split arrow --> Apollo + Athena. However, Athena never talks with the outside world, cept on the admin port and talks with Apollo internally at ThePlanet. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:19, 4 March 2008 (CST)
::How about we set up a third DB server as a slave? It wouldn't have to be on a separate machine, it could run on Apollo. The other way around may even be better: have Athena do the hard work (servicing reads) and be somewhat lighter on Apollo (only writes). For more information on setting up master/slave DB servers in MediaWiki, go [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDBservers here]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:49, 5 March 2008 (CST)
::I'm going to second Shane's comments regarding MediaWiki... During "Razor's" premiere and the two days following, the forum was fine, with the Wiki seeming to be the slowest. Coincidentally, when Apollo became bogged down, I had to deactivate the mysql database on Athena in order to get Apollo accessible via SSH, which tells me that Apollo was being the workhorse there... and was also being a bottleneck, apparently. So it seems to be that we need to beef up the Apollo server, and not Athena, which was fine even through the entire thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:22, 5 March 2008 (CST)
:::Have we yet figured out a way to simulate "battle" load, outside of trial by fire yet? It seems like most of the simulations so far have been less violent than the real deal. While it is not something we ought to subject our servers to on a whim, it would be nice to be able to test configuration changes before they face combat. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:54, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::Someone familiar with the pywikipediabot framework (not me, I'd have to learn Python xD) could write up a bot that does lots of writes. Without it, we can really only simulate a flood of reads (I could write up something for that, though). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:06, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::::I think I understood that it was the concurrent edits (and edit conflicts that result) that were bringing us down. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:::::::Yeah, I wanted to say that (must've deleted it while rewriting): our largest problem is the edit flood, that's why we protect articles or put the wiki in read-only mode. We could maybe arrange for an edit fest, though: we all agree to submit a large number of edits more or less simultaneously (we can prepare them beforehand) at the Hangar Bay, and see what happens. IRC (Freenode?) would be useful to coordinate that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:58, 6 March 2008 (CST)
== Style idea ==

For those wanting a simpler style, I ran across [http://userstyles.org/styles/1365 this]. With a little tweaking, it would probably work here for those people wanting a cleaner layout. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:48, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
:As a less is more kinda person, I like it. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 23:32, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
::I can't see it. :/ --[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:11, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::Do you mean you can't access it, or don't see it working for us? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:02, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:I am one of the five people who actually love the dark red/black style, but as option for those who don't (and that's a lot of people) that would be good. It seems to have a larger font too. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:35, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::Hey, I thought I was the only one who stuck with bsgbook (dark red/black), guess not then. On topic: the more choice, the better, of course. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:26, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::I happen to use (and love) the new style as well. The only thing I can say against it is the width issue, seeing as I have a 17" widescreen. Other than that, the style I pointed out is simple and gets rid of some of the clutter... it may work for us. It may not. Also, keep in mind that our current style (<s>BsgBook</s> ahem, Battlestar) will remain our default style, these will just be alternatives for people who don't like the current style.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:02, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::The current default is battlestar, right? (The "new" style) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:12, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::::You're right. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:20, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::<nowiki>*cough* Battlestar iPhone *cough* and *cough* Battlestar Light *cough* :D</nowiki> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:46, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::: When will either of these be ready? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:11, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
== PHP upgrade? ==

While testing my API framework on Battlestar Wiki, I ran into a compatibility problem in PHP's serialze() output. The problem is that the PHP serialize output changed somewhere between versions, so my (new) version expects data in a different format than the BSWiki server outputs, causing an error. Maybe you guys could upgrade PHP when you start your upgrade spree (1.12, extensions)? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:14, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:Yep. I'll do that now then. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:18, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:Running the instlal test. Once it passes, I will shut down Apache while I install the new version. 5.2.5. Shouldn't take long. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
: Done. 5.2.5 active. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:44, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Thanks. There seems to be a different problem, though: the output is prefixed by a space. Can you grep for files that have a space before the <code><?php</code> or one after the <code>?></code> (the latter shouldn't occur anywhere, though). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:58, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::In the skin? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:11, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::::Maybe. All I know is that there's some PHP file with a leading or trailing newline (not a space, sorry). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:22, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::::Would this include extensions as well? Or no? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::::While I'm on that tangent, could it be the DismissableSiteNotice that mucks things up? After all, it does generate a space in the main skin, and doubtless on others. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:42, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Can you run a debugger to see which file it stops at? There are over 100+ files. I am not going through all of them to remove new lines which I keep so I don't loose my mind when looking at the code. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:33, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::It could be an extension, yes. DismissableSitenotice is the most likely suspect, followed by other recently installed extensions. I unfortunately don't have a way of checking which .php file is guilty. You could use grep(1) to look for a newline followed by <?php , or you could check the most recently installed extensions first and hope it's in one of them. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:48, 24 February 2008 (CST)
::::For one thing that I lack it's using grep. Tell me what I would enter into the shell to look for it :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:30, 24 February 2008 (CST)
:::::<code>grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'</code>. The first grep searches for all occurrences of <code><?php</code> and prints line numbers too (-n), the second grep filters the output for all matches not on the first line (-v lists only non-matching lines). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:36, 24 February 2008 (CST)

Have we found the culprit yet? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 09:36, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:No. Could you run the grep command I posted above in some of the extension directories? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:44, 26 February 2008 (CST)
<pre>
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$ grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$ grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$
</pre>
[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:28, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:: Actually, I've found that you have to go to each sub directory and run the grep expression... So the culprits I found so far are AddHtml and a few others. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 11:39, 26 February 2008 (CST)
::: oh sob. doh. that's right :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:32, 26 February 2008 (CST)

What's the sit rep on this? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:10, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:The problem is still there. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 17:02, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::I'll have to write a perl script to check each file. I am really not in the mood to do it manually :) Joe.. email [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:24, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

== TOS tag out of place ==

I'm using BSG monobook in Firefox and the TOS emblem appears about half a centimetre too low. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 10:26, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:Yeah... I will fix that. :) Thanks for the update! (Give me a few mintues...) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:36, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:Try a hard refresh. It should be now in the correct place. :) Now to gwad my eyes for switching to bsgmonobook!!!!! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:41, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::Fixed now! [[User:OTW|OTW]] 13:38, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
== User rename ==

If possible, could someone please change my username to "Galjamspe". Thank you.

: Done. Let us know if you have any issues! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:59, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

== CAP == Caprica (series) ==

Any objections? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:28, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
: Well, we still could use "RDM" as the acronym... it is in the same universe, after all. It's not like we're talking about TOS vs. 1980 here. :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:23, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
: CAP = "Combat Air Patrol" for me. We don't need a separate ''Caprica'' disambiguation. I totally agree with Joe. It's the same universe and information can be included into the normal RDM articles. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:04, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:: Some of the information might be, however, I believe that if we have new technology/people to organize in the category system, I would not like to put a category RDM that is for mostly the new stuff. :| And yes.. I already changed it, so I can create a new portal. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:50, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
::: Caprica should really be a subset of the RDM category. RDM is, in my view, an all encompassing category that includes both the new BSG and any spinoffs. Also, for all we know, Caprica may very well be a one-shot deal. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Seems the RDM acronym isn't so unfortunate now as it appeared to be. This would be worse if it were something like TNS. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:58, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::I concur now. RDM is fortuitious. We don't need something separate save for name conflicts with TOS and other items. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:11, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
== Wiki speed? ==

Is it just me, or is the Wiki faster now that we've upgraded to MW 1.12? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:Not just you. I noticed it. I was watiing for a normal user to notice. :) But oh well. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:: What, I'm not normal enough for you? :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::: I plead the 5th to answer this in a public forum. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think we'll get an answer to that next week, when the S4 premiere has aired. We also have memcached now, which'll help improve performance too. What's the status on [http://php.net/manual/en/ref.apc.php APC]? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:For the record, this 'normal user' has certainly noticed the faster wiki. :) [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 16:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::I usually try to be an optimist, but I'm afraid we're going to get crushed. Hopefully we'll be able to at least hold up enough to enable viewing with the first episode page locked. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, if we lock down the articles before airing, we should do well. The only reason we crashed last time was because some schmuck with the initials of Joe Beaudoin had neglected to lock editing on the "[[Razor]]" page... Frakwit. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::It is pretty zippy. Nice work. We'll still be slow, but would it help if we don't allow editing ''at all'' anywhere in the wiki during the air times (as opposed to only the episode pages)? And thanks for your check-in, Veepz.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's really the major articles that cause the problem... basically, when ten or more people try to submit edits AND people start calling up information from that same article, the mysql pipeline gets clogged because the server is trying to determine if there are edit conflicts, generate diffs, and all that behind-the-scenes work. Like last time, many people tried to edit and submit edits to the "Razor" article, and because of my failure to lock it down, the webserver grinded to a halt. It was only after I locked the article, the article on Cain, Kendra, and other related stuff that the site was usable again. (And note that the Forum worked very smoothly during this as well.) So... if it gets ''really'' bad even after w lock all the major articles, ''then'' we lock everything down. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
== Spoiler Policy ==

It looks like this needs to be updated for the Caprica series being green-lighted. Should all Caprica articles be considered spoilers? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Typically, what we have here is minor plot information... not really a spoiler. Spoilers should really be identified on a case-by-case basis, at least for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" ==

I'm done with the "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" stuff for now... I've locked all the major articles, so we shouldn't have major performance issues, and worked on some major updates. Except now I'm tired, and I want to get some shut eye, so fill in the blanks guys. (Obviously, the last 15 minutes of the show -- basically the last two acts -- are verboten. Not that it'll matter much in 8 hours, but let's cover our butts till then.) The man with the mushy brain bids you good night (and early morning). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 08:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Humor in Battlestar Galactica ==

Seeing since we have articles as [[Philosophy in Battlestar Galactica]] or [[Sexuality in Battlestar Galactica]], I was wondering if such an article would be worthy of survival. Although I'm sure there's a matter of interpretation concerning various jokes, sight gags, etc., and it would be harder to pin down, I still think it's possibly to create a nonbias article on Humor from either three series (and spin-off material). Thoughts?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 14:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'd be interested in seeing such a thing, particularly for the new series, since the series doesn't afford itself too much in the way of humor. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::Concur. There's something to be gleaned with such an article, although one may have to be careful in sourcing the jokes to specific references, homages and the like. In fact, while doing this article you might want to consider how it impacts the lesser viewed [[References in the Re-imagined Series]], as there are jokes there that are also homages but many items that may or may not necessarily be funny. Thus, overlap. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::I actually think there is plenty of funny or also lightweight stuff in the show, even if it's just a line or two in a scene. So listing all of them could make for a somewhat lengthy article. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Stream == Aired? == Non-spolier? ==

Just a quick thought, maybe not, but should the first airing of this stream count as the episode being seen or should being "aired" be the TV broadcast version only? in terms of marking pages. I just throw this little kink in our system now. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

: I think we should just define a spoiler as content that is not yet aired on TV, just to keep our sanities intact. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Quiznos Expense Account ==

[[Image:403 - God's presence.jpg|thumb|'''Baltar:''' You know, I feel God too... and those-- God, they're nice. But you know, uhm, Joe got an expense account with Quiznos. Now that's feeling God, you know, the one true God.]]

For those of you that [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2008/04/04/battlestar-wikis-quiznos-expense-account/ opened up a Quiznos' expense account] for the, uhm, Battlestar Wiki, I'd like to thank you! You've definitely made my day! (And, yes, I'll post the contents of the wonderful card that users 96, 351, and 541 came up with!) Thank you! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
== Hangar Bay ==

What ever happened to the [[hb:|Hangar Bay]]? All links there redirect to the English wiki and http://hb.battlestarwiki.org/ redirects to the main portal. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think I deleted the sub-domain.. surpriselly, we still have files over there. Wonder if we should bring it back to life. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Yeah, bring it back, because we can work on some skin ideas over there. (The Colonial Paper thing, alternate color schemes, as well as a cleaner "print preview" version.) I'd recommend that you nuke whatever's there now and start clean. For instance, the MW software on the HB probably dates back to MW 1.5 or 1.7. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
== Wiki Status ==

So it seems to me that the Wiki's been working like a champ. Never crashed, apparently. It seems to be somewhat slow at times, but far better than the "Razor" airing, I thought. Anyway, what do you guys think about things? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:It crashed for about 1 mintue because of a server fault, but it came right back. And it wasn't from the wiki. It was from me. :D Slow... yes. Online.. yes. editable... yes. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 19:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Ah, well, then we only have to worry about Shane now... ''Great''. j/k -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Aside from the slowness, there were a few instances of unresponsiveness. That is, it didn't load at all. But that was some hours after the episode aired. All in all, not bad, though I didn't see how it fared directly during the airing.-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::: That I can say... I was editing without any problems. I think the double airing really spread out the load of the server. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 20:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Dang it, I ''warned'' him on Friday not to crash the server! :) In seriousness, the wiki's been doing great! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I noticed that bit of unresponsiveness too, which is saying enough about its timing (it was 4 AM here when HTBIM aired, and I didn't notice anything weird until like 4 PM). What I'm interested in most right now is the effectiveness of the [[BW:AIRLOCK]]s; do we have any data on how many people viewed locked articles or tried to click edit links on them? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I prefer the articles being locked for another reason. It's less work to write an article properly from the ground up, than going through a badly written one or a mismatch of various points and correcting that. Be that turning disjointed pieces into a coherent text, fixing typos and grammar, or just adhering to our style guidelines. I know that doesn't sound very nice and goes somewhat against the principles of a wiki, in that everyone can make edits, but it's also a good thing when an article has one voice and seems like it was written by one person. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It was definitely a matter of survival in the past. While me might try to phase in unlocking some of the pertinent articles, we should do it slowly, in phases, in the coming weeks. The last one to go should be the episode guide. I'd be tickled to have the option of having it unlocked during airing, but not at the cost of crashing the server. Perhaps we should brainstorm some strategies of how we can harness the flood of input without everything being so disjointed. Maybe hold off on having the summary written by everybody, but allow different people to get their observations in (in separate areas) in a way that avoids edit conflicts. Then, after the episode is aired people can assemble the summary. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, something like that could work. Notes and Analysis are easier to copy-edit (and I guess everyone knows how necessary that is) than the summary and probably also more important to have directly after everyone saw the episode. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree that the episode guide should be airlocked so someone can write a proper summary (same for battle articles), but I think articles like [[Jeanne]] could afford to be editable. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
== Color Scheme ==

Ok, now that the survey is about over -- we've had more than 1,000 respondents, by the way -- the main bulk of the complaints have been leveled against the default color scheme. Frankly, I can see where they would complain. As much as I may personally like the color scheme we presently have, it does have its draw backs. Among them:

* The text is too small. Our median age group is 30-40. We need to have bigger font size. Basically, the smallest font size we should have is 10-11pt. Not 8pt felgercarb.
* The color needs to be changed. Basically, we need a light background with dark text look.
* The scheme does not work in high-lit environments. For instance, I took my laptop outside and had to switch to the white bsgmonobook theme. Just wasn't usable any other way.
* Further, we need something that is auto adjusting... Basically, a skin that has auto width for larger resolutions and widescreen formatted screens.
* Personally, I do also have problems reading it for long periods of time... Black on white (or dark color on a light color) is default for a reason, after all.

So, with that in mind, I personally feel that we need to retire the current skin as our default. This isn't to say that it should be deleted, as we should keep it around as a skin option to others that like it, but the respondents have made several good points that should be brought up.

Now all I'm suggesting here is a color pallet change. The format we're using right now is fine. Just the colors need to change.

And I know that Shane's probably not happy about me saying these things, but the people have spoken and I can't really disagree with them on this. :-| So, do any of you have thoughts, questions, or concerns? I'm looking for feedback here. :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 06:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:I didn't understand the complaints about the font size until I switched to the new widescreen skin. Monobook's size is bigger and just about right. What I also noticed is the fontsize itself. What's annoying is that it's practically impossible to distinguish quotation marks and apostrophes in the editing window. However, I like the color scheme, but some more variety doesn't hurt. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::It wouldn't be impossible to do a "fluid" skin" I have to really change the skin file format so the header can be adjusted correctly -- which is what I been avoiding to have to do -- and then it can be the default skin (not my fixed width). :) . With colors though I like the blog colors as the light skin. We could even bring up the default text size from 8pt to 10 or 11. Any higher it look like big font. I'll take a look at the results to see what I can do also. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 12:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Battlestar Wiki:Chiefs' noticeboard/Archive6

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== Amazon EC2 feasibility? ==

Just came across this suggestion from one of our respondents to our [[BW:SURVEY|survey]]:

: "See if you can work a way to run the wiki (but not the mysql database) on Amazon EC2 servers, or some other "elastic" server farm where, as an episode airs, you can for 1 day suddenly boost the resources with which you run it tenfold, while not paying a big bill. Amazon EC2 does this but does not have static storage for your database, which would mean a lot of bandwidth to a remote database. However, another hosting company might offer you virtual servers by the hour on a network where they also let you keep your dedicated server and sql database."

Is this feasible? Could we do this? Pros? Cons? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:22, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:Well if there's a company out there that offers this for a reasonable price, why not? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:53, 27 February 2008 (CST)
:This is almost like squaid server. The only time that we do have downtime or very werid slowness is near airing, which is true. But when we goto the Battlestar Forum during those times, its as fast as a button, with no slow down. My mind tells me that is just a Mediawiki I/O program when it comes to having to reteive the database. We might have to run that connection test script again (disable stats of course) again with mem-cache enabled. Directing everyone off to an off-site database is not the problem. We do that already with Athena, which is on a different subnet than Apollo, it be almost investing in a "Load Balanceing" hardware that we can place in front of Apollo that filters traffic more directly. WWW --> Load Balancer -- double split arrow --> Apollo + Athena. However, Athena never talks with the outside world, cept on the admin port and talks with Apollo internally at ThePlanet. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:19, 4 March 2008 (CST)
::How about we set up a third DB server as a slave? It wouldn't have to be on a separate machine, it could run on Apollo. The other way around may even be better: have Athena do the hard work (servicing reads) and be somewhat lighter on Apollo (only writes). For more information on setting up master/slave DB servers in MediaWiki, go [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDBservers here]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:49, 5 March 2008 (CST)
::I'm going to second Shane's comments regarding MediaWiki... During "Razor's" premiere and the two days following, the forum was fine, with the Wiki seeming to be the slowest. Coincidentally, when Apollo became bogged down, I had to deactivate the mysql database on Athena in order to get Apollo accessible via SSH, which tells me that Apollo was being the workhorse there... and was also being a bottleneck, apparently. So it seems to be that we need to beef up the Apollo server, and not Athena, which was fine even through the entire thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:22, 5 March 2008 (CST)
:::Have we yet figured out a way to simulate "battle" load, outside of trial by fire yet? It seems like most of the simulations so far have been less violent than the real deal. While it is not something we ought to subject our servers to on a whim, it would be nice to be able to test configuration changes before they face combat. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:54, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::Someone familiar with the pywikipediabot framework (not me, I'd have to learn Python xD) could write up a bot that does lots of writes. Without it, we can really only simulate a flood of reads (I could write up something for that, though). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:06, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::::I think I understood that it was the concurrent edits (and edit conflicts that result) that were bringing us down. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:::::::Yeah, I wanted to say that (must've deleted it while rewriting): our largest problem is the edit flood, that's why we protect articles or put the wiki in read-only mode. We could maybe arrange for an edit fest, though: we all agree to submit a large number of edits more or less simultaneously (we can prepare them beforehand) at the Hangar Bay, and see what happens. IRC (Freenode?) would be useful to coordinate that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:58, 6 March 2008 (CST)
== Style idea ==

For those wanting a simpler style, I ran across [http://userstyles.org/styles/1365 this]. With a little tweaking, it would probably work here for those people wanting a cleaner layout. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:48, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
:As a less is more kinda person, I like it. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 23:32, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
::I can't see it. :/ --[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:11, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::Do you mean you can't access it, or don't see it working for us? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:02, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:I am one of the five people who actually love the dark red/black style, but as option for those who don't (and that's a lot of people) that would be good. It seems to have a larger font too. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:35, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::Hey, I thought I was the only one who stuck with bsgbook (dark red/black), guess not then. On topic: the more choice, the better, of course. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:26, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::I happen to use (and love) the new style as well. The only thing I can say against it is the width issue, seeing as I have a 17" widescreen. Other than that, the style I pointed out is simple and gets rid of some of the clutter... it may work for us. It may not. Also, keep in mind that our current style (<s>BsgBook</s> ahem, Battlestar) will remain our default style, these will just be alternatives for people who don't like the current style.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:02, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::The current default is battlestar, right? (The "new" style) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:12, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::::You're right. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:20, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::<nowiki>*cough* Battlestar iPhone *cough* and *cough* Battlestar Light *cough* :D</nowiki> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:46, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::: When will either of these be ready? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:11, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
== PHP upgrade? ==

While testing my API framework on Battlestar Wiki, I ran into a compatibility problem in PHP's serialze() output. The problem is that the PHP serialize output changed somewhere between versions, so my (new) version expects data in a different format than the BSWiki server outputs, causing an error. Maybe you guys could upgrade PHP when you start your upgrade spree (1.12, extensions)? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:14, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:Yep. I'll do that now then. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:18, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:Running the instlal test. Once it passes, I will shut down Apache while I install the new version. 5.2.5. Shouldn't take long. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
: Done. 5.2.5 active. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:44, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Thanks. There seems to be a different problem, though: the output is prefixed by a space. Can you grep for files that have a space before the <code><?php</code> or one after the <code>?></code> (the latter shouldn't occur anywhere, though). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:58, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::In the skin? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:11, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::::Maybe. All I know is that there's some PHP file with a leading or trailing newline (not a space, sorry). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:22, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::::Would this include extensions as well? Or no? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::::While I'm on that tangent, could it be the DismissableSiteNotice that mucks things up? After all, it does generate a space in the main skin, and doubtless on others. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:42, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Can you run a debugger to see which file it stops at? There are over 100+ files. I am not going through all of them to remove new lines which I keep so I don't loose my mind when looking at the code. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:33, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::It could be an extension, yes. DismissableSitenotice is the most likely suspect, followed by other recently installed extensions. I unfortunately don't have a way of checking which .php file is guilty. You could use grep(1) to look for a newline followed by <?php , or you could check the most recently installed extensions first and hope it's in one of them. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:48, 24 February 2008 (CST)
::::For one thing that I lack it's using grep. Tell me what I would enter into the shell to look for it :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:30, 24 February 2008 (CST)
:::::<code>grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'</code>. The first grep searches for all occurrences of <code><?php</code> and prints line numbers too (-n), the second grep filters the output for all matches not on the first line (-v lists only non-matching lines). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:36, 24 February 2008 (CST)

Have we found the culprit yet? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 09:36, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:No. Could you run the grep command I posted above in some of the extension directories? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:44, 26 February 2008 (CST)
<pre>
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$ grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$ grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$
</pre>
[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:28, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:: Actually, I've found that you have to go to each sub directory and run the grep expression... So the culprits I found so far are AddHtml and a few others. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 11:39, 26 February 2008 (CST)
::: oh sob. doh. that's right :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:32, 26 February 2008 (CST)

What's the sit rep on this? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:10, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:The problem is still there. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 17:02, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::I'll have to write a perl script to check each file. I am really not in the mood to do it manually :) Joe.. email [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:24, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

== TOS tag out of place ==

I'm using BSG monobook in Firefox and the TOS emblem appears about half a centimetre too low. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 10:26, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:Yeah... I will fix that. :) Thanks for the update! (Give me a few mintues...) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:36, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:Try a hard refresh. It should be now in the correct place. :) Now to gwad my eyes for switching to bsgmonobook!!!!! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:41, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::Fixed now! [[User:OTW|OTW]] 13:38, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
== User rename ==

If possible, could someone please change my username from Sgalovan to "Galjamspe". Thank you. {{unsigned|Sgalovan}}

: Done. Let us know if you have any issues! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:59, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

== CAP == Caprica (series) ==

Any objections? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:28, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
: Well, we still could use "RDM" as the acronym... it is in the same universe, after all. It's not like we're talking about TOS vs. 1980 here. :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:23, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
: CAP = "Combat Air Patrol" for me. We don't need a separate ''Caprica'' disambiguation. I totally agree with Joe. It's the same universe and information can be included into the normal RDM articles. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:04, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:: Some of the information might be, however, I believe that if we have new technology/people to organize in the category system, I would not like to put a category RDM that is for mostly the new stuff. :| And yes.. I already changed it, so I can create a new portal. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:50, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
::: Caprica should really be a subset of the RDM category. RDM is, in my view, an all encompassing category that includes both the new BSG and any spinoffs. Also, for all we know, Caprica may very well be a one-shot deal. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Seems the RDM acronym isn't so unfortunate now as it appeared to be. This would be worse if it were something like TNS. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:58, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::I concur now. RDM is fortuitious. We don't need something separate save for name conflicts with TOS and other items. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:11, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
== Wiki speed? ==

Is it just me, or is the Wiki faster now that we've upgraded to MW 1.12? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:Not just you. I noticed it. I was watiing for a normal user to notice. :) But oh well. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:: What, I'm not normal enough for you? :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::: I plead the 5th to answer this in a public forum. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think we'll get an answer to that next week, when the S4 premiere has aired. We also have memcached now, which'll help improve performance too. What's the status on [http://php.net/manual/en/ref.apc.php APC]? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:For the record, this 'normal user' has certainly noticed the faster wiki. :) [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 16:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::I usually try to be an optimist, but I'm afraid we're going to get crushed. Hopefully we'll be able to at least hold up enough to enable viewing with the first episode page locked. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, if we lock down the articles before airing, we should do well. The only reason we crashed last time was because some schmuck with the initials of Joe Beaudoin had neglected to lock editing on the "[[Razor]]" page... Frakwit. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::It is pretty zippy. Nice work. We'll still be slow, but would it help if we don't allow editing ''at all'' anywhere in the wiki during the air times (as opposed to only the episode pages)? And thanks for your check-in, Veepz.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's really the major articles that cause the problem... basically, when ten or more people try to submit edits AND people start calling up information from that same article, the mysql pipeline gets clogged because the server is trying to determine if there are edit conflicts, generate diffs, and all that behind-the-scenes work. Like last time, many people tried to edit and submit edits to the "Razor" article, and because of my failure to lock it down, the webserver grinded to a halt. It was only after I locked the article, the article on Cain, Kendra, and other related stuff that the site was usable again. (And note that the Forum worked very smoothly during this as well.) So... if it gets ''really'' bad even after w lock all the major articles, ''then'' we lock everything down. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
== Spoiler Policy ==

It looks like this needs to be updated for the Caprica series being green-lighted. Should all Caprica articles be considered spoilers? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Typically, what we have here is minor plot information... not really a spoiler. Spoilers should really be identified on a case-by-case basis, at least for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" ==

I'm done with the "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" stuff for now... I've locked all the major articles, so we shouldn't have major performance issues, and worked on some major updates. Except now I'm tired, and I want to get some shut eye, so fill in the blanks guys. (Obviously, the last 15 minutes of the show -- basically the last two acts -- are verboten. Not that it'll matter much in 8 hours, but let's cover our butts till then.) The man with the mushy brain bids you good night (and early morning). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 08:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Humor in Battlestar Galactica ==

Seeing since we have articles as [[Philosophy in Battlestar Galactica]] or [[Sexuality in Battlestar Galactica]], I was wondering if such an article would be worthy of survival. Although I'm sure there's a matter of interpretation concerning various jokes, sight gags, etc., and it would be harder to pin down, I still think it's possibly to create a nonbias article on Humor from either three series (and spin-off material). Thoughts?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 14:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'd be interested in seeing such a thing, particularly for the new series, since the series doesn't afford itself too much in the way of humor. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::Concur. There's something to be gleaned with such an article, although one may have to be careful in sourcing the jokes to specific references, homages and the like. In fact, while doing this article you might want to consider how it impacts the lesser viewed [[References in the Re-imagined Series]], as there are jokes there that are also homages but many items that may or may not necessarily be funny. Thus, overlap. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::I actually think there is plenty of funny or also lightweight stuff in the show, even if it's just a line or two in a scene. So listing all of them could make for a somewhat lengthy article. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Stream == Aired? == Non-spolier? ==

Just a quick thought, maybe not, but should the first airing of this stream count as the episode being seen or should being "aired" be the TV broadcast version only? in terms of marking pages. I just throw this little kink in our system now. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

: I think we should just define a spoiler as content that is not yet aired on TV, just to keep our sanities intact. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Quiznos Expense Account ==

[[Image:403 - God's presence.jpg|thumb|'''Baltar:''' You know, I feel God too... and those-- God, they're nice. But you know, uhm, Joe got an expense account with Quiznos. Now that's feeling God, you know, the one true God.]]

For those of you that [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2008/04/04/battlestar-wikis-quiznos-expense-account/ opened up a Quiznos' expense account] for the, uhm, Battlestar Wiki, I'd like to thank you! You've definitely made my day! (And, yes, I'll post the contents of the wonderful card that users 96, 351, and 541 came up with!) Thank you! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
== Hangar Bay ==

What ever happened to the [[hb:|Hangar Bay]]? All links there redirect to the English wiki and http://hb.battlestarwiki.org/ redirects to the main portal. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think I deleted the sub-domain.. surpriselly, we still have files over there. Wonder if we should bring it back to life. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Yeah, bring it back, because we can work on some skin ideas over there. (The Colonial Paper thing, alternate color schemes, as well as a cleaner "print preview" version.) I'd recommend that you nuke whatever's there now and start clean. For instance, the MW software on the HB probably dates back to MW 1.5 or 1.7. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
== Wiki Status ==

So it seems to me that the Wiki's been working like a champ. Never crashed, apparently. It seems to be somewhat slow at times, but far better than the "Razor" airing, I thought. Anyway, what do you guys think about things? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:It crashed for about 1 mintue because of a server fault, but it came right back. And it wasn't from the wiki. It was from me. :D Slow... yes. Online.. yes. editable... yes. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 19:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Ah, well, then we only have to worry about Shane now... ''Great''. j/k -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Aside from the slowness, there were a few instances of unresponsiveness. That is, it didn't load at all. But that was some hours after the episode aired. All in all, not bad, though I didn't see how it fared directly during the airing.-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::: That I can say... I was editing without any problems. I think the double airing really spread out the load of the server. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 20:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Dang it, I ''warned'' him on Friday not to crash the server! :) In seriousness, the wiki's been doing great! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I noticed that bit of unresponsiveness too, which is saying enough about its timing (it was 4 AM here when HTBIM aired, and I didn't notice anything weird until like 4 PM). What I'm interested in most right now is the effectiveness of the [[BW:AIRLOCK]]s; do we have any data on how many people viewed locked articles or tried to click edit links on them? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I prefer the articles being locked for another reason. It's less work to write an article properly from the ground up, than going through a badly written one or a mismatch of various points and correcting that. Be that turning disjointed pieces into a coherent text, fixing typos and grammar, or just adhering to our style guidelines. I know that doesn't sound very nice and goes somewhat against the principles of a wiki, in that everyone can make edits, but it's also a good thing when an article has one voice and seems like it was written by one person. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It was definitely a matter of survival in the past. While me might try to phase in unlocking some of the pertinent articles, we should do it slowly, in phases, in the coming weeks. The last one to go should be the episode guide. I'd be tickled to have the option of having it unlocked during airing, but not at the cost of crashing the server. Perhaps we should brainstorm some strategies of how we can harness the flood of input without everything being so disjointed. Maybe hold off on having the summary written by everybody, but allow different people to get their observations in (in separate areas) in a way that avoids edit conflicts. Then, after the episode is aired people can assemble the summary. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, something like that could work. Notes and Analysis are easier to copy-edit (and I guess everyone knows how necessary that is) than the summary and probably also more important to have directly after everyone saw the episode. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree that the episode guide should be airlocked so someone can write a proper summary (same for battle articles), but I think articles like [[Jeanne]] could afford to be editable. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
== Color Scheme ==

Ok, now that the survey is about over -- we've had more than 1,000 respondents, by the way -- the main bulk of the complaints have been leveled against the default color scheme. Frankly, I can see where they would complain. As much as I may personally like the color scheme we presently have, it does have its draw backs. Among them:

* The text is too small. Our median age group is 30-40. We need to have bigger font size. Basically, the smallest font size we should have is 10-11pt. Not 8pt felgercarb.
* The color needs to be changed. Basically, we need a light background with dark text look.
* The scheme does not work in high-lit environments. For instance, I took my laptop outside and had to switch to the white bsgmonobook theme. Just wasn't usable any other way.
* Further, we need something that is auto adjusting... Basically, a skin that has auto width for larger resolutions and widescreen formatted screens.
* Personally, I do also have problems reading it for long periods of time... Black on white (or dark color on a light color) is default for a reason, after all.

So, with that in mind, I personally feel that we need to retire the current skin as our default. This isn't to say that it should be deleted, as we should keep it around as a skin option to others that like it, but the respondents have made several good points that should be brought up.

Now all I'm suggesting here is a color pallet change. The format we're using right now is fine. Just the colors need to change.

And I know that Shane's probably not happy about me saying these things, but the people have spoken and I can't really disagree with them on this. :-| So, do any of you have thoughts, questions, or concerns? I'm looking for feedback here. :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 06:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:I didn't understand the complaints about the font size until I switched to the new widescreen skin. Monobook's size is bigger and just about right. What I also noticed is the fontsize itself. What's annoying is that it's practically impossible to distinguish quotation marks and apostrophes in the editing window. However, I like the color scheme, but some more variety doesn't hurt. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::It wouldn't be impossible to do a "fluid" skin" I have to really change the skin file format so the header can be adjusted correctly -- which is what I been avoiding to have to do -- and then it can be the default skin (not my fixed width). :) . With colors though I like the blog colors as the light skin. We could even bring up the default text size from 8pt to 10 or 11. Any higher it look like big font. I'll take a look at the results to see what I can do also. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 12:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Battlestar Wiki:Chiefs' noticeboard/Archive6

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== Amazon EC2 feasibility? ==

Just came across this suggestion from one of our respondents to our [[BW:SURVEY|survey]]:

: "See if you can work a way to run the wiki (but not the mysql database) on Amazon EC2 servers, or some other "elastic" server farm where, as an episode airs, you can for 1 day suddenly boost the resources with which you run it tenfold, while not paying a big bill. Amazon EC2 does this but does not have static storage for your database, which would mean a lot of bandwidth to a remote database. However, another hosting company might offer you virtual servers by the hour on a network where they also let you keep your dedicated server and sql database."

Is this feasible? Could we do this? Pros? Cons? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:22, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:Well if there's a company out there that offers this for a reasonable price, why not? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:53, 27 February 2008 (CST)
:This is almost like squaid server. The only time that we do have downtime or very werid slowness is near airing, which is true. But when we goto the Battlestar Forum during those times, its as fast as a button, with no slow down. My mind tells me that is just a Mediawiki I/O program when it comes to having to reteive the database. We might have to run that connection test script again (disable stats of course) again with mem-cache enabled. Directing everyone off to an off-site database is not the problem. We do that already with Athena, which is on a different subnet than Apollo, it be almost investing in a "Load Balanceing" hardware that we can place in front of Apollo that filters traffic more directly. WWW --> Load Balancer -- double split arrow --> Apollo + Athena. However, Athena never talks with the outside world, cept on the admin port and talks with Apollo internally at ThePlanet. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:19, 4 March 2008 (CST)
::How about we set up a third DB server as a slave? It wouldn't have to be on a separate machine, it could run on Apollo. The other way around may even be better: have Athena do the hard work (servicing reads) and be somewhat lighter on Apollo (only writes). For more information on setting up master/slave DB servers in MediaWiki, go [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDBservers here]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:49, 5 March 2008 (CST)
::I'm going to second Shane's comments regarding MediaWiki... During "Razor's" premiere and the two days following, the forum was fine, with the Wiki seeming to be the slowest. Coincidentally, when Apollo became bogged down, I had to deactivate the mysql database on Athena in order to get Apollo accessible via SSH, which tells me that Apollo was being the workhorse there... and was also being a bottleneck, apparently. So it seems to be that we need to beef up the Apollo server, and not Athena, which was fine even through the entire thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:22, 5 March 2008 (CST)
:::Have we yet figured out a way to simulate "battle" load, outside of trial by fire yet? It seems like most of the simulations so far have been less violent than the real deal. While it is not something we ought to subject our servers to on a whim, it would be nice to be able to test configuration changes before they face combat. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:54, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::Someone familiar with the pywikipediabot framework (not me, I'd have to learn Python xD) could write up a bot that does lots of writes. Without it, we can really only simulate a flood of reads (I could write up something for that, though). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:06, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::::I think I understood that it was the concurrent edits (and edit conflicts that result) that were bringing us down. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:::::::Yeah, I wanted to say that (must've deleted it while rewriting): our largest problem is the edit flood, that's why we protect articles or put the wiki in read-only mode. We could maybe arrange for an edit fest, though: we all agree to submit a large number of edits more or less simultaneously (we can prepare them beforehand) at the Hangar Bay, and see what happens. IRC (Freenode?) would be useful to coordinate that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:58, 6 March 2008 (CST)
== Style idea ==

For those wanting a simpler style, I ran across [http://userstyles.org/styles/1365 this]. With a little tweaking, it would probably work here for those people wanting a cleaner layout. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:48, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
:As a less is more kinda person, I like it. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 23:32, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
::I can't see it. :/ --[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:11, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::Do you mean you can't access it, or don't see it working for us? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:02, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:I am one of the five people who actually love the dark red/black style, but as option for those who don't (and that's a lot of people) that would be good. It seems to have a larger font too. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:35, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::Hey, I thought I was the only one who stuck with bsgbook (dark red/black), guess not then. On topic: the more choice, the better, of course. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:26, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::I happen to use (and love) the new style as well. The only thing I can say against it is the width issue, seeing as I have a 17" widescreen. Other than that, the style I pointed out is simple and gets rid of some of the clutter... it may work for us. It may not. Also, keep in mind that our current style (<s>BsgBook</s> ahem, Battlestar) will remain our default style, these will just be alternatives for people who don't like the current style.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:02, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::The current default is battlestar, right? (The "new" style) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:12, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::::You're right. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:20, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::<nowiki>*cough* Battlestar iPhone *cough* and *cough* Battlestar Light *cough* :D</nowiki> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:46, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::: When will either of these be ready? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:11, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
== PHP upgrade? ==

While testing my API framework on Battlestar Wiki, I ran into a compatibility problem in PHP's serialze() output. The problem is that the PHP serialize output changed somewhere between versions, so my (new) version expects data in a different format than the BSWiki server outputs, causing an error. Maybe you guys could upgrade PHP when you start your upgrade spree (1.12, extensions)? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:14, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:Yep. I'll do that now then. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:18, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:Running the instlal test. Once it passes, I will shut down Apache while I install the new version. 5.2.5. Shouldn't take long. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
: Done. 5.2.5 active. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:44, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Thanks. There seems to be a different problem, though: the output is prefixed by a space. Can you grep for files that have a space before the <code><?php</code> or one after the <code>?></code> (the latter shouldn't occur anywhere, though). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:58, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::In the skin? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:11, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::::Maybe. All I know is that there's some PHP file with a leading or trailing newline (not a space, sorry). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:22, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::::Would this include extensions as well? Or no? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::::While I'm on that tangent, could it be the DismissableSiteNotice that mucks things up? After all, it does generate a space in the main skin, and doubtless on others. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:42, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Can you run a debugger to see which file it stops at? There are over 100+ files. I am not going through all of them to remove new lines which I keep so I don't loose my mind when looking at the code. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:33, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::It could be an extension, yes. DismissableSitenotice is the most likely suspect, followed by other recently installed extensions. I unfortunately don't have a way of checking which .php file is guilty. You could use grep(1) to look for a newline followed by <?php , or you could check the most recently installed extensions first and hope it's in one of them. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:48, 24 February 2008 (CST)
::::For one thing that I lack it's using grep. Tell me what I would enter into the shell to look for it :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:30, 24 February 2008 (CST)
:::::<code>grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'</code>. The first grep searches for all occurrences of <code><?php</code> and prints line numbers too (-n), the second grep filters the output for all matches not on the first line (-v lists only non-matching lines). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:36, 24 February 2008 (CST)

Have we found the culprit yet? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 09:36, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:No. Could you run the grep command I posted above in some of the extension directories? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:44, 26 February 2008 (CST)
<pre>
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$ grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$ grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$
</pre>
[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:28, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:: Actually, I've found that you have to go to each sub directory and run the grep expression... So the culprits I found so far are AddHtml and a few others. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 11:39, 26 February 2008 (CST)
::: oh sob. doh. that's right :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:32, 26 February 2008 (CST)

What's the sit rep on this? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:10, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:The problem is still there. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 17:02, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::I'll have to write a perl script to check each file. I am really not in the mood to do it manually :) Joe.. email [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:24, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

== TOS tag out of place ==

I'm using BSG monobook in Firefox and the TOS emblem appears about half a centimetre too low. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 10:26, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:Yeah... I will fix that. :) Thanks for the update! (Give me a few mintues...) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:36, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:Try a hard refresh. It should be now in the correct place. :) Now to gwad my eyes for switching to bsgmonobook!!!!! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:41, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::Fixed now! [[User:OTW|OTW]] 13:38, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

== CAP == Caprica (series) ==

Any objections? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:28, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
: Well, we still could use "RDM" as the acronym... it is in the same universe, after all. It's not like we're talking about TOS vs. 1980 here. :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:23, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
: CAP = "Combat Air Patrol" for me. We don't need a separate ''Caprica'' disambiguation. I totally agree with Joe. It's the same universe and information can be included into the normal RDM articles. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:04, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:: Some of the information might be, however, I believe that if we have new technology/people to organize in the category system, I would not like to put a category RDM that is for mostly the new stuff. :| And yes.. I already changed it, so I can create a new portal. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:50, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
::: Caprica should really be a subset of the RDM category. RDM is, in my view, an all encompassing category that includes both the new BSG and any spinoffs. Also, for all we know, Caprica may very well be a one-shot deal. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Seems the RDM acronym isn't so unfortunate now as it appeared to be. This would be worse if it were something like TNS. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:58, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::I concur now. RDM is fortuitious. We don't need something separate save for name conflicts with TOS and other items. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:11, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
== Wiki speed? ==

Is it just me, or is the Wiki faster now that we've upgraded to MW 1.12? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:Not just you. I noticed it. I was watiing for a normal user to notice. :) But oh well. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:: What, I'm not normal enough for you? :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::: I plead the 5th to answer this in a public forum. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think we'll get an answer to that next week, when the S4 premiere has aired. We also have memcached now, which'll help improve performance too. What's the status on [http://php.net/manual/en/ref.apc.php APC]? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:For the record, this 'normal user' has certainly noticed the faster wiki. :) [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 16:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::I usually try to be an optimist, but I'm afraid we're going to get crushed. Hopefully we'll be able to at least hold up enough to enable viewing with the first episode page locked. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, if we lock down the articles before airing, we should do well. The only reason we crashed last time was because some schmuck with the initials of Joe Beaudoin had neglected to lock editing on the "[[Razor]]" page... Frakwit. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::It is pretty zippy. Nice work. We'll still be slow, but would it help if we don't allow editing ''at all'' anywhere in the wiki during the air times (as opposed to only the episode pages)? And thanks for your check-in, Veepz.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's really the major articles that cause the problem... basically, when ten or more people try to submit edits AND people start calling up information from that same article, the mysql pipeline gets clogged because the server is trying to determine if there are edit conflicts, generate diffs, and all that behind-the-scenes work. Like last time, many people tried to edit and submit edits to the "Razor" article, and because of my failure to lock it down, the webserver grinded to a halt. It was only after I locked the article, the article on Cain, Kendra, and other related stuff that the site was usable again. (And note that the Forum worked very smoothly during this as well.) So... if it gets ''really'' bad even after w lock all the major articles, ''then'' we lock everything down. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
== Spoiler Policy ==

It looks like this needs to be updated for the Caprica series being green-lighted. Should all Caprica articles be considered spoilers? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Typically, what we have here is minor plot information... not really a spoiler. Spoilers should really be identified on a case-by-case basis, at least for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" ==

I'm done with the "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" stuff for now... I've locked all the major articles, so we shouldn't have major performance issues, and worked on some major updates. Except now I'm tired, and I want to get some shut eye, so fill in the blanks guys. (Obviously, the last 15 minutes of the show -- basically the last two acts -- are verboten. Not that it'll matter much in 8 hours, but let's cover our butts till then.) The man with the mushy brain bids you good night (and early morning). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 08:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Humor in Battlestar Galactica ==

Seeing since we have articles as [[Philosophy in Battlestar Galactica]] or [[Sexuality in Battlestar Galactica]], I was wondering if such an article would be worthy of survival. Although I'm sure there's a matter of interpretation concerning various jokes, sight gags, etc., and it would be harder to pin down, I still think it's possibly to create a nonbias article on Humor from either three series (and spin-off material). Thoughts?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 14:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'd be interested in seeing such a thing, particularly for the new series, since the series doesn't afford itself too much in the way of humor. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::Concur. There's something to be gleaned with such an article, although one may have to be careful in sourcing the jokes to specific references, homages and the like. In fact, while doing this article you might want to consider how it impacts the lesser viewed [[References in the Re-imagined Series]], as there are jokes there that are also homages but many items that may or may not necessarily be funny. Thus, overlap. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::I actually think there is plenty of funny or also lightweight stuff in the show, even if it's just a line or two in a scene. So listing all of them could make for a somewhat lengthy article. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Stream == Aired? == Non-spolier? ==

Just a quick thought, maybe not, but should the first airing of this stream count as the episode being seen or should being "aired" be the TV broadcast version only? in terms of marking pages. I just throw this little kink in our system now. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

: I think we should just define a spoiler as content that is not yet aired on TV, just to keep our sanities intact. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Quiznos Expense Account ==

[[Image:403 - God's presence.jpg|thumb|'''Baltar:''' You know, I feel God too... and those-- God, they're nice. But you know, uhm, Joe got an expense account with Quiznos. Now that's feeling God, you know, the one true God.]]

For those of you that [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2008/04/04/battlestar-wikis-quiznos-expense-account/ opened up a Quiznos' expense account] for the, uhm, Battlestar Wiki, I'd like to thank you! You've definitely made my day! (And, yes, I'll post the contents of the wonderful card that users 96, 351, and 541 came up with!) Thank you! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
== Hangar Bay ==

What ever happened to the [[hb:|Hangar Bay]]? All links there redirect to the English wiki and http://hb.battlestarwiki.org/ redirects to the main portal. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think I deleted the sub-domain.. surpriselly, we still have files over there. Wonder if we should bring it back to life. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Yeah, bring it back, because we can work on some skin ideas over there. (The Colonial Paper thing, alternate color schemes, as well as a cleaner "print preview" version.) I'd recommend that you nuke whatever's there now and start clean. For instance, the MW software on the HB probably dates back to MW 1.5 or 1.7. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
== Wiki Status ==

So it seems to me that the Wiki's been working like a champ. Never crashed, apparently. It seems to be somewhat slow at times, but far better than the "Razor" airing, I thought. Anyway, what do you guys think about things? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:It crashed for about 1 mintue because of a server fault, but it came right back. And it wasn't from the wiki. It was from me. :D Slow... yes. Online.. yes. editable... yes. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 19:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Ah, well, then we only have to worry about Shane now... ''Great''. j/k -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Aside from the slowness, there were a few instances of unresponsiveness. That is, it didn't load at all. But that was some hours after the episode aired. All in all, not bad, though I didn't see how it fared directly during the airing.-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::: That I can say... I was editing without any problems. I think the double airing really spread out the load of the server. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 20:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Dang it, I ''warned'' him on Friday not to crash the server! :) In seriousness, the wiki's been doing great! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I noticed that bit of unresponsiveness too, which is saying enough about its timing (it was 4 AM here when HTBIM aired, and I didn't notice anything weird until like 4 PM). What I'm interested in most right now is the effectiveness of the [[BW:AIRLOCK]]s; do we have any data on how many people viewed locked articles or tried to click edit links on them? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I prefer the articles being locked for another reason. It's less work to write an article properly from the ground up, than going through a badly written one or a mismatch of various points and correcting that. Be that turning disjointed pieces into a coherent text, fixing typos and grammar, or just adhering to our style guidelines. I know that doesn't sound very nice and goes somewhat against the principles of a wiki, in that everyone can make edits, but it's also a good thing when an article has one voice and seems like it was written by one person. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It was definitely a matter of survival in the past. While me might try to phase in unlocking some of the pertinent articles, we should do it slowly, in phases, in the coming weeks. The last one to go should be the episode guide. I'd be tickled to have the option of having it unlocked during airing, but not at the cost of crashing the server. Perhaps we should brainstorm some strategies of how we can harness the flood of input without everything being so disjointed. Maybe hold off on having the summary written by everybody, but allow different people to get their observations in (in separate areas) in a way that avoids edit conflicts. Then, after the episode is aired people can assemble the summary. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, something like that could work. Notes and Analysis are easier to copy-edit (and I guess everyone knows how necessary that is) than the summary and probably also more important to have directly after everyone saw the episode. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree that the episode guide should be airlocked so someone can write a proper summary (same for battle articles), but I think articles like [[Jeanne]] could afford to be editable. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
== Color Scheme ==

Ok, now that the survey is about over -- we've had more than 1,000 respondents, by the way -- the main bulk of the complaints have been leveled against the default color scheme. Frankly, I can see where they would complain. As much as I may personally like the color scheme we presently have, it does have its draw backs. Among them:

* The text is too small. Our median age group is 30-40. We need to have bigger font size. Basically, the smallest font size we should have is 10-11pt. Not 8pt felgercarb.
* The color needs to be changed. Basically, we need a light background with dark text look.
* The scheme does not work in high-lit environments. For instance, I took my laptop outside and had to switch to the white bsgmonobook theme. Just wasn't usable any other way.
* Further, we need something that is auto adjusting... Basically, a skin that has auto width for larger resolutions and widescreen formatted screens.
* Personally, I do also have problems reading it for long periods of time... Black on white (or dark color on a light color) is default for a reason, after all.

So, with that in mind, I personally feel that we need to retire the current skin as our default. This isn't to say that it should be deleted, as we should keep it around as a skin option to others that like it, but the respondents have made several good points that should be brought up.

Now all I'm suggesting here is a color pallet change. The format we're using right now is fine. Just the colors need to change.

And I know that Shane's probably not happy about me saying these things, but the people have spoken and I can't really disagree with them on this. :-| So, do any of you have thoughts, questions, or concerns? I'm looking for feedback here. :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 06:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:I didn't understand the complaints about the font size until I switched to the new widescreen skin. Monobook's size is bigger and just about right. What I also noticed is the fontsize itself. What's annoying is that it's practically impossible to distinguish quotation marks and apostrophes in the editing window. However, I like the color scheme, but some more variety doesn't hurt. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::It wouldn't be impossible to do a "fluid" skin" I have to really change the skin file format so the header can be adjusted correctly -- which is what I been avoiding to have to do -- and then it can be the default skin (not my fixed width). :) . With colors though I like the blog colors as the light skin. We could even bring up the default text size from 8pt to 10 or 11. Any higher it look like big font. I'll take a look at the results to see what I can do also. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 12:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Galjamspe

2008-05-16T05:24:29Z

Galjamspe:

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==

Greetings, Galjamspe, and welcome to Battlestar Wiki! I hope you enjoy your stay with us and am looking forward to your contributions to the Wiki! Why not begin by telling us a bit about yourself on your own [[User:Galjamspe|user page]]?

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Thank you for joining us! Hope to see you soon!
--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 01:10, 27 February 2008 (CST)

== Linking ==

You can link to articles [[The Fleet (RDM)|like this]] too. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.

2008-05-16T02:36:04Z

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==Re: talk page==
Hey Joe, I'm confused by the placement of a "deletion discussion" tag on [[Talk:Guess What's Coming to Dinner]]. If that's the next aired episode, why is it up for deletion, and new comments discouraged (in the tag)? Was that tag placed there by mistake, maybe? [[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 16:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
: The talk page was originally the talk page for "Into the West", until it was moved to "Talk:Guess What's..." However, the tag still remained, despite the fact that it should have been removed. Sorry for the confusion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Look @ Recent Changes with Show Bot On ==

I got [[User:TaskBot]] working again. On the media wiki, the tag bot is working. I didn't want to check all 3k images, but it checks the last 100 each 24 hours. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
: Sweet! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:: That's 100 uploaded :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::: We should really have the bot slugging through all 3k+ files to ensure they are properly tagged. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::: It would for sure be a one time check because I have to set it to 3k previous uploads. Then put it back at the last 100 or so. I would remove the timer so it doesn't take forever. LOL! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::: System crashes when I try to check 2000+ with "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1433601 bytes) in /home/bsgwiki/w/includes/OutputPage.php on line 729". So... that's the problem. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::: Bah... humduck. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::"Nevermind. I found the offset area. So I can start "later in". Some of the images we have on the media wiki were imported from EN if you remember, so that upload RC is not there. So at least it will check all the recent stuff except like 611 files. We had uploaded excatly 3002 files since we made media wiki. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== Uploading images as transparent .PNG's ==

Real quick, I never received an answer to my question regarding the transparent PNG's... I know your original answer was that Internet Explorer 6 has problems displaying them properly, a fact I also know to be true, but I have tested the graphic I uploaded for the [[Daru Mozu|Daru Mozu]] in several popular browsers: Internet Explorer 7, Mozilla Firefox, Safari, Opera and Camino. All of these browsers display the graphic just fine. I think the large majority of the BSG Wiki's target crowd would be on such browsers as well. Unfortunately, as of April 08 28.9% of internet users are still browsing via IE6 according to this [http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp source]. This is however a large reduction of IE6 users from early 06 where IE6 accounted for approx 60% of all internet browsing. Personally, I think it's safe to say that the users of this site are part of the 70% of internet users who have swapped IE6 for a better browser. Besides, people with IE6 can still view the image itself, just not the transparent background... Which is essentially the same look on the website right now anyways: the image with a solid background (in many cases at least). At worst, this transition would mean a considerable aesthetic increase for people using modern browsers and a slight decrease in aesthetics for people using older browsers (in most cases at least). However, I don't think anyone will be hurt by the .PNG's because everyone is using a modern browser. I won't make mention of this topic anymore if the same answer still stands, although I do think it deserves additional consideration given how sweet the [[Daru Mozu|Daru Mozu]] graphic looks!

Thanks! --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 02:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.

2008-04-03T05:47:54Z

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== Aspect ratio frakup fixed ==

I did a batch job on the pictures and re-uploaded them. Looks better now and I should have seen that before. Unfortunately, I didn't have the original bmps anymore, so the picture quality suffered a little bit. But in most cases, I don't think you can tell without a direct comparison. Better than from an AVI source in any case. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

== FA ==

I was about to swap out the FA, but noticed that apparently I don't have to wear that hat. Thought we could go ahead with of of the other two picked out on the debate page. --01:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Hey thanks again for fixing my username's. I'm really new, so I'll try to keep this short and reserve any questions for something that can be answered by the websites documentation.

Regarding ways to contribute, I really like adding/upgrading the Wiki's images... I think it really helps bring the encyclopedia alive. I'm curious about copyright's, is it okay to Photoshop images to remove logo's, names, etc. to make the image more presentable for the Wiki provided I disclose credit for the source? How far does "fair use" go? When should I ask for permission to use an image? Also, if you see the this [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Daru_Mozu[article]] you may notice I replaced the image for the Daru Mozu (the top right image above ship specs). I saved it the image as .png with a transparent background... I think this looks really nice and would like to do it for all the ships... But I figured I should probably check with someone as they may have different preferences. Another thing I've been doing is fixing broken links on the website using a this [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/532 [Firefox extension]] is this a valid effort? Or is there some bot or something that checks for this. In summary, I just wanted to check with someone else to make sure I'm making helpful contributions... If there is any projects that need help, I'm all good for that too, maybe something close to the stuff I've just talked about? Thanks a lot. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 01:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:The link checker could have double problems. Articles not created come up as bad links. URL that goto sites might the only use. If you have access tot he Zioc images -- go for it. Upload new versions and replace them. If there officially from Zioc, and the source is from Zoic, go for it. The removing text and logo is a problem if it comes from a TV source because it then becomes a problem.. how did you get it? Where did this image come from? etc. Text is also there for a reason.. I am guessing to tell a plot line to keep us imformed. Joe will explain more, but that is my take on it. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: The issue with saving images as PNGs is that certain browsers *cough* IE *cough* have problems rendering PNGs properly. As for "fair use", the issue is that it isn't a carte blanche thing, which is why we don't have episode galleries (which are technically illegal) and we've been careful in what pictures we add. However, if you do have access to Zoic pictures, then by all means add them. We'll take those over most screenshots any day of the week... However, it's best to keep the Zoic logos intact on them, just to cover our asses, as it were. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The image I uploaded of the Daru Mozu came up fine in IE7... I do know from past experiences that IE6 does have the problems you mentioned. I don't know how many people are still on IE6, I know I waited a little while before I updated just because when the new browser came out it didn't quite have full compatibility with some sites. Hopefully were talking about the same issue here... If there is something wrong on IE7 then do tell. As long as most current browsers support it, I think it still might be worth considering, completely up to everyone else though... I for sure understand the need to support all visitors to the site (no matter what browser they may be using). Also, should I keep the image as high-res as possible (original dimensions) so long as the resolution isn't too crazy? I for one really like to be able to zoom up and see detail on posted images. Back to the Photoshoping of images, for example there is a great image off of [http://www.leestringer.com/Images/Print/Galactica_Fleet_11x17_150dpi_v003.jpg Leestringer.com] that i'd like to replace as the main image for this [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/The_Fleet_(RDM)[article]]. But I'm not sure about including the text at the bottom of the image. Thanks again for the help. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 05:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.

2008-04-03T01:58:12Z

Galjamspe: /* Hey */ new section

Daru Mozu

2008-03-28T06:41:56Z

Galjamspe: Replaced with much better image.

{{Ship Data
| image= Daru_Mozu_Fore.png
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| ftl= Yes
| role= Tylium refinery ship
| img= Y
}}

'''''Daru Mozu''''', also known as '''Refinery 322'''<ref>[[:md:Image:Refinery 322.jpg|Nameplate on the ''Daru Mozu'''s hull.]]</ref> and operating under Tauranian registry, is the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s [[tylium]] refinery ship. Refinery ships process raw minerals and metals gathered by a mining ship. Unlike a [[mining ship]], a refinery vessel has large processing and storage facilities, and can serve as a fueling vessel. In the storage compartments small excavators and chutes are used to move the raw, granular tylium to long conveyor belts on the lower decks. There manual labor is involved in refining it to a liquid fuel, but the exact further process is unknown.

After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] it is found by [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]'s recon Raptor and brought to Roslin's amassing civilian fleet ([[Miniseries]]).

The ''Daru Mozu'' is used to process the immense reserves of tylium mined from an asteroid [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid|liberated]] from a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] base ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

Following President Roslin's imprisonment and Colonel Tigh's subsequent declaration of martial law, the crew refuses to continue refining tylium in protest ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

The ship is damaged in a collision with the ''[[Striker]]'' under the incompetent oversight of recently promoted Captain [[George Birch]], ''Galactica'''s [[CAG]] in [[Lee Adama]]'s absence ([[Home, Part I]]).

A suicide bomber who is part of a [[Demand Peace|peace movement]] within the Fleet damages the forward section of the ''Daru Mozu'', killing several of its crew ([[Epiphanies]]). It is also be among the ships taking part in the settlement of [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]) and later escapes during the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

The ''Daru Mozu'' is the site of a short-lived, but large labor strike threatening to spill over to other vessels in the Fleet. The strike is later resolved when a union, originally based on [[New Caprica]], is reinstated to aid with worker needs ([[Dirty Hands]]).

The ship's unique radiation signature is being used by the Cylons to track the Fleet to the [[Ionian nebula]]. The signature is described as "a leak" and, after its discovery, used to lead the Cylons away from the rest of the Fleet ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).

==Notes==
* The ''Daru Mozu'' isn't identified by name until "[[Epiphanies]]" and earlier episodes just call it "refinery ship", but dialogue - especially from the episode "[[Dirty Hands]]" - continually refers to it in the singular. Combined with visual evidence, this indicates that the same ship is meant.
* In "[[Home, Part I]]" the ship is referred to as "[[refueling tanker]]", but the configuration of the ship is identical to ''Daru Mozu''.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Daru_mozu_213_1080i.jpg|Damaged by a bomb in "[[Epiphanies]]".    
Image:Tanker_206_1080i.jpg|Schematic view ([[Home, Part I]]).   
Image:Tankerfront.jpg|Front and top view (Home, Part I).    
Image:RefineryBottomView.jpg|Bottom view ([[Dirty Hands]]).    
Image:RefineryInside.jpg|Inside one of the storage rooms (Dirty Hands).    
</gallery>

==References==
<references/>

{{Ships}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft (RDM)]]
[[Category:Ships]]
[[Category:Ships (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

[[de:Daru Mozu]]

Daru Mozu

2008-03-28T06:41:04Z

Galjamspe: Undo revision 152906 by Galjamspe (Talk)

{{Ship Data
| image= Tankerback.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Civilian
| ftl= Yes
| role= Tylium refinery ship
| img= Y
}}

'''''Daru Mozu''''', also known as '''Refinery 322'''<ref>[[:md:Image:Refinery 322.jpg|Nameplate on the ''Daru Mozu'''s hull.]]</ref> and operating under Tauranian registry, is the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s [[tylium]] refinery ship. Refinery ships process raw minerals and metals gathered by a mining ship. Unlike a [[mining ship]], a refinery vessel has large processing and storage facilities, and can serve as a fueling vessel. In the storage compartments small excavators and chutes are used to move the raw, granular tylium to long conveyor belts on the lower decks. There manual labor is involved in refining it to a liquid fuel, but the exact further process is unknown.

After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] it is found by [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]'s recon Raptor and brought to Roslin's amassing civilian fleet ([[Miniseries]]).

The ''Daru Mozu'' is used to process the immense reserves of tylium mined from an asteroid [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid|liberated]] from a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] base ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

Following President Roslin's imprisonment and Colonel Tigh's subsequent declaration of martial law, the crew refuses to continue refining tylium in protest ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

The ship is damaged in a collision with the ''[[Striker]]'' under the incompetent oversight of recently promoted Captain [[George Birch]], ''Galactica'''s [[CAG]] in [[Lee Adama]]'s absence ([[Home, Part I]]).

A suicide bomber who is part of a [[Demand Peace|peace movement]] within the Fleet damages the forward section of the ''Daru Mozu'', killing several of its crew ([[Epiphanies]]). It is also be among the ships taking part in the settlement of [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]) and later escapes during the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

The ''Daru Mozu'' is the site of a short-lived, but large labor strike threatening to spill over to other vessels in the Fleet. The strike is later resolved when a union, originally based on [[New Caprica]], is reinstated to aid with worker needs ([[Dirty Hands]]).

The ship's unique radiation signature is being used by the Cylons to track the Fleet to the [[Ionian nebula]]. The signature is described as "a leak" and, after its discovery, used to lead the Cylons away from the rest of the Fleet ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).

==Notes==
* The ''Daru Mozu'' isn't identified by name until "[[Epiphanies]]" and earlier episodes just call it "refinery ship", but dialogue - especially from the episode "[[Dirty Hands]]" - continually refers to it in the singular. Combined with visual evidence, this indicates that the same ship is meant.
* In "[[Home, Part I]]" the ship is referred to as "[[refueling tanker]]", but the configuration of the ship is identical to ''Daru Mozu''.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Daru_mozu_213_1080i.jpg|Damaged by a bomb in "[[Epiphanies]]".    
Image:Tanker_206_1080i.jpg|Schematic view ([[Home, Part I]]).   
Image:Tankerfront.jpg|Front and top view (Home, Part I).    
Image:RefineryBottomView.jpg|Bottom view ([[Dirty Hands]]).    
Image:RefineryInside.jpg|Inside one of the storage rooms (Dirty Hands).    
</gallery>

==References==
<references/>

{{Ships}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft]]
[[Category:Colonial Craft (RDM)]]
[[Category:Ships]]
[[Category:Ships (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

[[de:Daru Mozu]]

Daru Mozu

2008-03-28T06:39:46Z

Galjamspe:

Battlestar Wiki:Galactipedians Quorum

2008-03-22T05:40:51Z

Galjamspe:

{{Project|Wikipedian Quorum|image=BSG WIKI Quorum.png|shortcut=BW:GQ BW:WQ}}

[[Battlestar Wiki:Welcome, newcomers|Welcome, newcomers]] and baffled oldtimers! If you have a question about [[Battlestar Wiki]] and how it works, please place it '''at the bottom of the list''', and someone will attempt to answer it for you. (If you have a question about life, the universe and everything, go to the [[Battlestar Wiki:reference desk|reference desk]] instead.)

Before asking a question, check if it's answered by the [[Battlestar Wiki:FAQ]] or other pages linked from [[Battlestar Wiki:Help]].

Before answering a newcomer's question abruptly, consider rereading [[BW:BITE|Please do not bite the newcomers]].

Questions and answers will not remain on this page indefinitely (otherwise it would very soon become too long to be editable). After a period of time with no further activity, information will be moved to other relevant sections of Battlestar Wiki (such as the FAQ pages) or placed in one of the Wikipedian Quorum archives if it is of general interest, or deleted. Please consider dating and titling your discussions so as to facilitate this.

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== Create a page box ==

What do people think about adding a "create a page" box on the Main Page, so that it's easier for contributors to create new pages? Basically, how the "create a page" feature would work is it would be much the same as the input box on the [[BW:TANK|Think Tank]] page: type the name and press "create this article". Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 19:02, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
:Fine by me. I'll never use it, of course, but it would make life easier (and more obvious) for other contributors. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:12, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
: Update: This'll be implemented in a few days. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:18, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

== Additional changes ==

Since we've changed the nomenclature a bit around here, we're going to be changing the names of a few of our locales as well to mirror this.

* The '''[[BW:AN|Administrators' noticeboard]]''' will be changed into the '''Chiefs' noticeboard'''.
* The '''[[BW:WQ|Wikipedians' Quorum]]''' will be changed into the '''Galactipedians' Quorum'''.

For backwards compatibility, we'll be keeping the original names and shortcuts as redirects.

As for the [[BW:REF|reference desk]], I'm thinking we should just merge the content into the appropriate guidelines and policies and get rid of it, since it's hardly used. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:18, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
:Isn't that supposed to be Galactipedians' rather than Galacti''ca''pedians'? As for the plan itself, it's fine by me. I've never seen any activity at the reference desk since I came here, but it sounds like a place to ask questions. Isn't that already covered at the noticeboard and the Quorum? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:32, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
:: Right. :P And the reference desk is a holdover from my experiment in trying to get some WP stuff over here. There's also those FAQ lists which I think can be merged into the project namespace as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:40, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

== WP's tlx template works here now ==

I've ported over Wikipedia's [[w:Template:Tlx]] to [[Template:Tlx]]. Tested. It works. If you check back a long way in my edit history here you'll see I've done this with various other very useful WP templates. Tlx in particular is very, very handy for template documentation, since you don't have to manually do a bunch of <code><nowiki><code><nowiki></nowiki></code> stuff (and I note that many if not most templates here remain undocumented, so perhaps this will help inspire some documentation). — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:33, 8 February 2008 (CST)
: Nice! Thank you! As for the templates, about half are documented (mainly the major ones) while other smaller ones aren't. Of course, they should be all documented, but it's a matter of prioritizing which one's need to be documented the most. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:38, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Note that we already ''had'' this template, [[Template:Tlp|just under a different name]]. You might wanna copy the documentation, though. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:33, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:::D'oh. One being a redir to the other, with dox preseved seems to be in order. Wikipedians like me think in terms of "tlx" and are unlikely to remember "tlp". — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:48, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==

I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki:News/Colonial Fleet News Service

2008-03-20T22:08:05Z

Galjamspe: Added link to watch BSG Top Ten List.

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* After being in development hell for nearly two years, ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' has been green-lit and will begin production in the spring. In addition, a new series of webisodes and a "social game" will be released around mid-April.<ref>{{cite_news|first=Paul J.|last=Gough|url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ifff588c2bae9eaff7c54472fcb6d54b5|title=Sci Fi unveils 'Battlestar' prequel|publisher=The Hollywood Reporter|page=|date=18 March 2008|accessdate=19 March 2008|language=}}</ref>
* The [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 1 DVD)|Season 3 DVD]] is out now and packed with extra features! It includes an extended version of "[[Unfinished Business]]" with over 25 minutes of extra content, in addition to deleted scenes, featurettes, "[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]]" webisodes and podcasts. [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B00129W6LE Order it now via Amazon.com].
*Michael Ausiello of [http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ausiello.aspx The Ausiello Report] has [http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Ausiello-Scoop-Cbs/800035495 posted] that most of the cast of ''Battlestar Galactica'' will appear on ''[http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/late-david-letterman/100253 Late Show with David Letterman]'' on March 19, 2008 to present the [[w:Top Ten list (David Letterman) | Top Ten List]]. Missed the original broadcast? Watch the BSG Top Ten List [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YatjlSJNRHM# here] on [http://www.youtube.com/ YouTube.com].
*BSG composer [[Bear McCreary]] is set to perform live April 13 at Los Angeles' Roxy nightclub. Cast members from the show will act as emcees. According to Bear's blog, music will be peformed from all four seasons, a video/documentary will be produced, and some very special guests will attended. <ref> [http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/02/battlestar-gala.html Bear McCreary Concert ] </ref>
*''Battlestar Galactica'' has received the following 34th Saturn Awards nominations: Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series, Best Presentation on Television, and Best Actor - Edward James Olmos. <ref>[http://www.saturnawards.org/nominations.html Saturn Award Nominations]</ref>
*For new fans who want a [[What The Frak Is Going On|quick, 8-and-a-half-minute recap]] about the events thus far (excluding "[[Razor]]"), [[What The Frak Is Going On?|click here]].

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Galactica (TRS)

2008-03-20T07:20:20Z

Galjamspe: Replaced picture of Galactica with a more detailed version.

:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| title= Galactica (BS 75)
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Approximately 2,650
| co= [[William Adama]]
| xo= [[Saul Tigh]] (resumed position as of "[[The Passage]]")
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= As many as 506 point-defense dual [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], 24 primary dual Kinetic Energy Weapons, at least 12 [[missile tubes]] capable of firing conventional and nuclear missiles, Vipers, Raptors
| status= Active
| img= Y
}}
'''''Galactica'' (BS 75)''' is a [[Galactica type battlestar|veteran battlestar]] and the last of her kind still in service with the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Twelve Colonies]]. Built during the early days of the [[Cylon War]], she remains the only military vessel without integrated [[Computers|computer networks]]. Without networked computers, ''Galactica'' never upgrades to the new [[Command Navigation Program|integrated defense system software]] developed by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Number Six|team]]. Because of this and other factors, she becomes one of only two known battlestars (the other being ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'') to survive the renewed Cylon attack on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. At the time of this attack, she was part of the 75th [[Battlestar Group]] (BSG-75).

== History ==

''Galactica'' was one of the first twelve battlestars to be constructed by the Colonials, each representing one of the twelve colonies; ''Galactica'' represented [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. As such, she is some 50 years old. Following the outbreak of Cylon hostilities several more battlestars were built. ''Galactica's'' first commander was named [[Nash]].
[[Image:Mini gal top.jpg|left|thumb|A dorsal view of ''Galactica''. The starboard [[flight pod]] is covered by a window to form the [[Galactica Museum|museum area]].]]
The original battlestars were all designed with non-integrated computer systems to avoid the Cylons' demonstrated ability to override or subvert networked command and control systems early in the war ([[Miniseries]]). Rather than technological sophistication, the battlestar depended on its sheer bulk and defensive / offensive capabilities to ward off any threats to itself or the Colonies.

After the [[Armistice Station|armistice]] with the Cylons, and their withdrawal from Colonial space, ''Galactica'' and her sister ships served the Twelve Colonies in a variety of roles. While her surviving sister ships were scrapped or upgraded to match the systems capabilities of newer Colonial vessels, ''Galactica'' continued in service without her systems being fully networked or integrated, making her unique among Colonial military vessels. Galactica was relegated to intra-system duties for at least 20 years prior to her decommissioning.

With her active career drawing to a close, a decision was taken to retire ''Galactica'' and decommission her from service. Colonial Fleet chose not to scrap her, but to turn her into a combination of living museum to the original Cylon War and an educational center, with her conversion being overseen by her final commander, [[William Adama]].

At the time of her formal decommissioning ceremony, ''Galactica'' is stripped of all but one of her operational [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] Mark VII squadrons, her munitions are destroyed, and her starboard landing pod is converted into a pressurized [[Galactica Museum|museum]] which houses (among other things) a full squadron of [[Viper Mark II|Mk. II Vipers]] as well as a Viper model that appears [[Viper (TOS)|older than the Mark II]] (Miniseries, also in deleted scenes).

With the renewed and unexpected Cylon hostilities, ''Galactica'' is quickly brought back to combat condition and sorties several Mark IIs retrieved from her museum, engaging in her first battle with the Cylons in over 40 years (all but one last Mark VII squadron were sent to Caprica for reassignment). She survives a direct hit by a tactical nuclear missile, and later [[FTL|jumps]] successfully to [[Ragnar Anchorage]] to replenish her empty ammunition stores at this strategic depot.

''Galactica'' emerges from the anchorage and engages one [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] with her gun batteries, providing cover for [[The Fleet (RDM)|a fleet of 75 civilian ships]] harboring survivors of the Twelve Colonies. Once the entire civilian fleet successfully jumps away, and as a second basestar approaches to join the battle, ''Galactica'' recovers her remaining Vipers and jumps to the rendezvous point beyond the [[Red Line]], never to return to Colonial space ([[Miniseries]]).

Since the exodus of the Colonials from their overrun homeworlds, ''Galactica'' becomes both protector and provider for the Fleet. She provides covering fire for the Fleet during Cylon attacks no fewer than 240 times ("[[33]]", "[[Act of Contrition]]"). The battlestar provides much of the Fleet with recycled water ([[Water]]) and she is the primary source of medical care, where groups of civilians are periodically brought aboard for check-ups and treatment ([[Litmus]]). ''Galactica'' also undertakes internal policing duties within the Fleet ("[[Water]]", "[[Bastille Day]]").

''Galactica'' successfully goes on the offensive against the Cylons, capturing a [[tylium]] fuel mining and processing plant in the process ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

The [[Mercury class battlestar|advanced battlestar]] ''Pegasus'', commanded by Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], joins ''Galactica'' approximately 6 months into their exile (See the series [[Timeline (RDM)|timeline]] for special information about this milestone). The two battlestars destroy two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] as well as a critical Cylon support ship known as the [[Resurrection Ship]]. After Admiral Cain's death, President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] promotes William Adama to Admiral, restoring him to overall Fleet command, but now with two battlestars at his disposal ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

===New Caprica===
Following the founding of [[New Caprica]], ''Galactica'' is assigned to the orbital defense force that protects the planet. During this time the majority of its crew are allowed to the surface in an effort to populate the planet and restore the human race – including most of its senior officers - seemingly convinced that the Cylons will never find New Caprica. The diminished staff inevitably results in standard maintenance becoming overlooked or ignored; basic military responses, such as the launching of alert fighters and routine training exercises become difficult to execute. One year following the founding of New Caprica, a fleet of Cylon ships jump into orbit of the planet. Severely limited in their abilities, Admiral Adama orders the defense fleet to jump away from New Caprica along with a handful of civilian ships still in orbit of the colony. They vow to eventually return to New Caprica and liberate it from the Cylon invaders ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

===[[Battle of New Caprica]]===
Four months after their escape, ''Galactica'''s staff is still in the process of developing a rescue strategy with 16 training exercises having been completed and a 17th underway when an accident causes its early cessation ([[Occupation]]). This forces both a change in strategy and the reformulation of a rescue plan to deal with personnel who have not seen conflict in 16 months. While ''Galactica'' fights to liberate the Colonials on-planet, ''Pegasus'' is assigned to protect the remaining civilian fleet and continue its search for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ("[[Precipice]]", "[[Exodus, Part I]]").

After coordinating with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], ''Galactica'' leaves ''Pegasus'' to guard the space-bound members of humanity while it uses a series of drones to misdirect the bulk of the Cylon Raiders and avoid immediate detection by baseships, thus allowing the civilians on the planet to escape to their ships and flee New Caprica.

''Galactica'' then jumps into low orbit, plummeting from an altitude of 100,000 feet. As the ship falls, Admiral Adama orders the launch of all remaining Vipers. ''Galactica'' then jumps back into orbit. In the subsequent battle with the orbiting basestars, ''Galactica'' is overtaxed, out-gunned, and faces destruction when ''Pegasus'' unexpectedly arrives. ''Pegasus's'' salvos draw the attention of the basestars away from ''Galactica'', buying ''Galactica'' time to bring her [[FTL|FTL drives]] back on-line and escape, but at the cost of ''Pegasus's'' destruction ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

''Galactica'' bears the scars of the battle with significant scorching and dents to the hull. Nonetheless, the battlestar remains combat ready, holding off a superior Cylon force for a short duration in the [[Battle of NCD2539]] ([[A Measure of Salvation]]), and threatening to use its nuclear arsenal twice after New Caprica ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Crossroads, Part II]]"). Given the loss of ''Pegasus'', ''Galactica'' now boasts a larger crew, Viper and Raptor complement - even to the point where there are more pilots than there are ships to fly ([[Torn]]).

In "[[A Day in the Life]]", Colonel Tigh comments that ''Galactica'' took so much damage in this battle that it would "take six weeks in dry dock just to bang out the dents". This indicates that the damage is extensive enough to require a significant amount time (probably months) for full repair, and would be unlikely to survive a massive battle again.

===Resuming the search for Earth===
''Galactica'' takes aboard a significant quantity of civilians following the exodus from New Caprica, as several civilian ships are lost during the escape from the failed colony. Cramped conditions increase as crew and civilians struggle to adapt to life back aboard a ship. The civilians reside on the refurbished starboard hangar deck as a refugee camp nicknamed "[[Camp Oil Slick]]" and later "Dogsville" ("[[Torn]]", "[[The Woman King]]").

During a [[The Passage|food shortage crisis]] caused by contamination of the Fleet's food processing systems, ''Galactica'' (along with her Raptors acting as pilot ships) guides the civilian Fleet through an area of intense heat, light and radiation caused by a [[Passage (star cluster)|dense star cluster]] to reach edible resources on the [[algae planet]]. ''Galactica's'' heavy armor and radiation shielding protect her from the intense effects of the cluster, but the ship still suffers hull damage and decompressions.

The ship confronts a Cylon fleet and barely escapes a nova during [[Eye of Jupiter|the events over the algae planet]], jumping out at the last moment after recovering its ground teams and additional data on a way-point to Earth - the [[Ionian nebula]] ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Rapture]]").

Repairs continue on the journey to the Ionian nebula. Damage to one particular airlock nearly causes the deaths of Galen and Cally Tyrol during what they expected to be a quick repair of a hull micro-fracture ([[A Day in the Life]]). When the Fleet reaches the nebula, four Cylon baseships are detected following an unexplained power outage. With the entire fleet crippled and unable to escape, ''Galactica'' scrambles her Vipers and prepares for a lopsided battle, outnumbered and outgunned ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

== Equipment ==
Barring any technological upgrades that may have been made to other ships of [[Galactica type battlestar|her class]], ''Galactica'' shares the same overall technical specifications as other original Colonial battlestars.

===Starboard Flight Pod===

The starboard landing bay is eventually restored to usable condition, evidenced when Major Lee Adama lands his Raptor in the starboard pod. However, it is possible that this is due to a previously issued quarantine order and not because the flight pod is in regular use ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). The starboard hangar deck is designated an [[Dogsville|area of refuge]] for civilians displaced from lost ships (The Woman King).

===Nuclear Warheads===
[[Image:Galactica nukes.jpg|thumb|''Galactica'''s nuclear arsenal.]]
''Galactica'' has five nuclear warheads as of "[[Bastille Day]]". Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] uses one warhead to destroy the Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] orbiting Kobol ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), and Dr. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] cannibalizes one to use in his [[Cylon detector]]. He later gives the warhead to [[Gina Inviere]], who detonates it aboard ''[[Cloud Nine]]''.

It is unknown how many nuclear warheads ''Pegasus'' has when it encounters ''Galactica'', but the two ships pool their nuclear ordnance stockpiles after that. As of "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", ''Galactica'' possesses at least seven warheads ([[missile tube]]s 4 through 10).

:''The yield of these weapons is unknown. It is likely they are of a "dial a yield" design which is common in real-life nuclear weapons. Because the physics of nuclear weapon design is a measurable science, and based on the size of the weapons seen on screen, the yield of ''Galactica's'' weapons may lie between 5 and 150 kilotons.''<ref>This is extrapolated from the size of the weapon, compared to a modern day ([[w:W80|W80]])-class nuclear warhead used by the United States.</ref>

===Vipers===
[[image:1104Tube Mini.JPG|right|thumb|200X|Viper in launch tube.]]
:''For information on the fighter squadrons stationed on ''Galactica'' see: [[Squadrons of Galactica]]''
Prior to the arrival of ''Pegasus'', ''Galactica'' carries a maximum thirty-four Vipers - of which at least six are Mark VIIs (c.f. [[Viper tally]]). Following the advent of ''Pegasus'', ''Galactica'' receives supplies that aid in the repair and refurbishment of her initial fighter complement ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). Some time later, new Mark VII Vipers are constructed at ''Pegasus''s' Viper construction facilities utilizing the raw ore mined in an asteroid belt ([[Scar]]), and several of those are assigned to ''Galactica''.

With ''Pegasus'' destroyed at the [[Battle of New Caprica]], ''Galactica'' absorbs the former's Viper squadrons and personnel. It is uncertain how many total Vipers ''Galactica'' has since, given that ''Pegasus's'' Viper complement was never accurately specified.

===Raptors===
The number of [[Raptor|Raptors]] available to ''Galactica'' is portrayed inconsistently. The assumption prior to joining up with ''Pegasus'' is that the battlestar has at least five Raptors, having left [[Ragnar Anchorage]] with at least eight (c.f. [[Raptor tally]]). After the Battle of New Caprica, ''Galactica'' takes on ''Pegasus's'' Raptors. The subsequent number of available craft is unknown, but is at least 20, considering how many Raptors are deployed to rescue to the resistance fighters on Caprica ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

===Other Craft===
*''Galactica'' currently possesses two [[Heavy Raider]]s. One is hit by ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s defensive fire and crashes into the starboard flight pod with unknown damage ([[Scattered]]). The other returns in operational status from [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Home, Part I]]). One of these Heavy Raiders is relieved of its FTL navigation system for use on the rescue mission to Caprica ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).
* A Raider from the first Cylon War may be on board ''Galactica'' after one follows Starbuck into one of ''Pegasus's'' landing bays and is shot down ([[Razor]]).
*A second [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] comes into ''Galactica's'' possession after [[Daniel Novacek]]'s "escape" from a basestar, replacing the one retrieved by [[Kara Thrace]] and lost during the quest for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] ([[Hero]]).
*An experimental stealth fighter, the [[Blackbird]], is constructed using spare parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]) and used in a critically successful reconnaissance mission to explore the nature of what comes to be known as the [[Resurrection Ship]]. The Blackbird is destroyed after completing its [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|first combat mission]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
*''Galactica'' possesses [[fuel tanker]]s used to supply fuel to Vipers and Raptors in flight without the need to dock with the ship. These may be dedicated craft or specially fitted shuttles or Raptors ([[Occupation]]).

== Crew ==
:''For information on Senior Staff, see : [[Senior Staff of Galactica]]''
:''For a list of pilots, see: [[List of Pilots]]''
:''For a list of deckhands, see: [[List of deckhands]]''
:''For a list of marines, see: [[Colonial Marine Corps]]''

Before the attack, ''Galactica'' has approximately 2,800 crewmen. By the time of the arrival of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', attrition has reduced this number to about 2,660. (c.f. [[Crew tally]])
*Between "[[Act of Contrition]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" ''Galactica's'' offensive capability is also greatly hampered by the number of [[List of Pilots|qualified pilots]] available, and their lack of flight simulators with which to train more. Since ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> reunion with ''Pegasus'', this has ceased to be an issue ([[Scar]]).

==Related Imagery==
<gallery>
Image:Galactica Ortho copy.jpg|''Galactica'' - [[Zoic]] rendering    
Image:BSG Ortho Bottom.jpg|''Galactica'' - Zoic rendering    
Image:Galactica - flight pods retracted.jpg|''Galactica'' with flight pods retracted.
Image:BSG landing alcove.jpg|''Galactica'' landing alcove.
Image:Batteries - Galactica Type.jpg|''Galactica's'' point defense batteries.
Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|''Galactica's'' batteries in action    
Image:Galactica fights off missile salvos.jpg|''Galactica'' establishes a defense perimeter.
Image:CIC Overview 1.jpg|''Galactica'''s CIC.
Image:Cicweaponscontrol1.jpg|Weapon's control.
Image:Cictacticalstation1.jpg|Tactical station.
Image:Cic commstation.jpg|Communications.
Image:Galactica corridor.jpg|The "A-shaped" corridors.
</gallery>

== See also ==
*[[Galactica crew facilities (RDM)|Galactica crew facilities]]
*[[:Category:Galactica Areas (RDM)|Galactica Areas]]

== References ==
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A '''battlestar''' is a [[Colonial]] capital warship that combines the roles of a space fighter carrier and battleship. Battlestars are the adversarial counterpart to the [[Cylon]] [[basestar]].

Battlestars have differing appearances and abilities in both the the [[Original Series]] and [[Re-imagined Series]].

== General ==

*See [[Battlestar (TOS)]] for statistics on the unnamed Original Series battlestar class.
*See [[Galactica type battlestar]] for statistics on this unnamed original battlestar class of the Re-imagined Series
*See [[Mercury class battlestar]] for statistics on an advanced battlestar class that succeeds the [[Galactica type battlestar]]

== ''Galactica'' ==

For information on the battlestar ''Galactica'' itself:

*See [[Galactica (RDM)]] for information on the Re-imagined Series version.
*See [[Galactica (TOS)]] for information on the Original Series and ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' version.
*See [[Galactica (2003 Video Game)]] for information on the Original Series variant seen in the [[2003 Video Game]].

== Original Series ==

[[Image:TOS-galac.jpg|thumb|The [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] battlestar ''Galactica'']]

*''[[Acropolis]]''
*''[[Atlantia (TOS)|Atlantia]]''
*''[[Columbia (TOS)|Columbia]]''
*''[[Pacifica]]''
*''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]''
*''[[Rycon]]''
*''[[Triton (TOS)|Triton]]''

== Re-imagined Series ==

[[Image:Battlestar_stern.jpg|thumb|The [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] battlestar ''Galactica''.]]

*Named:
**''[[Athena (Battlestar)|Athena]]''
**''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]''
**''[[Erasmus]]''
**''[[Mercury]]''
**''[[Night Flight]]''
**''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''
**''[[Solaria]]''
**''[[Triton (RDM)|Triton]]''
**''[[Valkyrie]]''
*Unnamed:
**See [[Unnamed battlestars]]

=== Comic books ===
*''[[Atlas]]''
*''[[Chronos]]''

==Notes==
*Battlestar Wiki maintains official information on the ''Battlestar Galactica'' officially-licensed episodes, movies, and publications only. [[Fan fiction]] sources that discuss other ships (particularly fan-based clubs that use ship "names") are not permitted in this wiki.

*A common [[fan fiction]] belief is that the Original Series battlestar ''[[Columbia (TOS)|Columbia]]'' was also the class name for these battlestars. No [[BW:CJ|official sources]] confirm this point.

:''For more on what constitutes an official source, see [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad]].''

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:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>.
{{Ship Data
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| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= Approximately 4,000 to 5,000 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= Active (following heavy refits, with one exception)
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1414}}
| width= {{Meters2Feet|555}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|177}}
| otherdi = '''Flight Pod''' '''Length''': {{Meters2Feet|615}}<ref name="pod">Calculated based on elevations made available by Zoic.</ref> '''Width''': {{Meters2Feet|110}} '''Height''': {{Meters2Feet|64}}
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|left|thumb|Three battlestars [[Operation Raptor Talon|engaging]] Cylon forces ([[Razor Flashbacks]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of some 4,640ft (1,414m) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while her defensive armaments ensure she is fully capable of both protecting herself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and her sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull, and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are between the pods.
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=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible. Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod.
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==Specifications==

===Dimensions===
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

An appreciation of the size of an original battlestar can be gleaned from a comparison to current Earth craft. A battlestar is over 4 times longer than a [[Wikipedia:Nimitz class aircraft carrier|''Nimitz'']] class nuclear carrier of the US Navy at 1414m. The flight pod of an original battlestar is almost twice the length of ''Nimitz'' (at around 660m), is some 150ft (46m) wider, and is approximately as tall as the ''Nimitz'' is from its waterline to the top of the tower (aproximately 60m). An original battlestar's "alligator head" is as broad as the flight deck of ''Nimitz'' is long. Each of the nacelles of an original battlestar's outer four sublight engines is large enough to contain ''Nimitz''. {{fact}}

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[Scattered]])]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*24 large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak">These are '''not''' [[w:Railgun|"railguns"]]. No [[BW:CJ|official sources]] use this term to describe these weapons.</ref><ref>[[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|Image 1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 16 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.
[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]
*452 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod as well.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight. See [[Raptor tally]] for a running count.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to her scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew"/>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== Known Galactica type battlestars ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed battlestars]]

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User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.

2008-03-20T03:10:10Z

Galjamspe: New section: Username

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== Username ==

Thanks for changing my username... Just one last issue and I'll be all set: I need my username changed on the Media Wiki portion of the site (Sgalovan to "Galjamspe"). I posted on the noticeboard there, but I don't think it is checked often.

Thanks again.

--[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 22:10, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki:Chiefs' noticeboard

2008-03-19T06:44:54Z

Galjamspe:

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== Current Administrators ==

===Senior Chiefs===
Senior chiefs are, in Wikipedia's terminology, bureaucrats who have the ability to make other users into chiefs. They also have the ability to check user and other advance functions not under the purview of the chiefs.
Currently senior chiefs are:
*[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]]
*[[User:Shane|Shane]]
*[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]

===Chiefs===
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**[[User:Serenity|Serenity]]
**[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]]
* Inactive
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See [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators|list of all chiefs on Battlestar Wiki]]

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== PHP upgrade? ==

While testing my API framework on Battlestar Wiki, I ran into a compatibility problem in PHP's serialze() output. The problem is that the PHP serialize output changed somewhere between versions, so my (new) version expects data in a different format than the BSWiki server outputs, causing an error. Maybe you guys could upgrade PHP when you start your upgrade spree (1.12, extensions)? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:14, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:Yep. I'll do that now then. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:18, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:Running the instlal test. Once it passes, I will shut down Apache while I install the new version. 5.2.5. Shouldn't take long. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
: Done. 5.2.5 active. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:44, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Thanks. There seems to be a different problem, though: the output is prefixed by a space. Can you grep for files that have a space before the <code><?php</code> or one after the <code>?></code> (the latter shouldn't occur anywhere, though). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:58, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::In the skin? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:11, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::::Maybe. All I know is that there's some PHP file with a leading or trailing newline (not a space, sorry). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:22, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::::Would this include extensions as well? Or no? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::::While I'm on that tangent, could it be the DismissableSiteNotice that mucks things up? After all, it does generate a space in the main skin, and doubtless on others. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:42, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Can you run a debugger to see which file it stops at? There are over 100+ files. I am not going through all of them to remove new lines which I keep so I don't loose my mind when looking at the code. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:33, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::It could be an extension, yes. DismissableSitenotice is the most likely suspect, followed by other recently installed extensions. I unfortunately don't have a way of checking which .php file is guilty. You could use grep(1) to look for a newline followed by <?php , or you could check the most recently installed extensions first and hope it's in one of them. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:48, 24 February 2008 (CST)
::::For one thing that I lack it's using grep. Tell me what I would enter into the shell to look for it :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:30, 24 February 2008 (CST)
:::::<code>grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'</code>. The first grep searches for all occurrences of <code><?php</code> and prints line numbers too (-n), the second grep filters the output for all matches not on the first line (-v lists only non-matching lines). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:36, 24 February 2008 (CST)

Have we found the culprit yet? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 09:36, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:No. Could you run the grep command I posted above in some of the extension directories? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:44, 26 February 2008 (CST)
<pre>
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$ grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$ grep '<?php' -n *.php | grep -v ':1:'
[bsgwiki@apollo extensions]$
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[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:28, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:: Actually, I've found that you have to go to each sub directory and run the grep expression... So the culprits I found so far are AddHtml and a few others. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 11:39, 26 February 2008 (CST)
::: oh sob. doh. that's right :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:32, 26 February 2008 (CST)

What's the sit rep on this? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:10, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:The problem is still there. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 17:02, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::I'll have to write a perl script to check each file. I am really not in the mood to do it manually :) Joe.. email [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:24, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

== Amazon EC2 feasibility? ==

Just came across this suggestion from one of our respondents to our [[BW:SURVEY|survey]]:

: "See if you can work a way to run the wiki (but not the mysql database) on Amazon EC2 servers, or some other "elastic" server farm where, as an episode airs, you can for 1 day suddenly boost the resources with which you run it tenfold, while not paying a big bill. Amazon EC2 does this but does not have static storage for your database, which would mean a lot of bandwidth to a remote database. However, another hosting company might offer you virtual servers by the hour on a network where they also let you keep your dedicated server and sql database."

Is this feasible? Could we do this? Pros? Cons? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:22, 26 February 2008 (CST)
:Well if there's a company out there that offers this for a reasonable price, why not? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:53, 27 February 2008 (CST)
:This is almost like squaid server. The only time that we do have downtime or very werid slowness is near airing, which is true. But when we goto the Battlestar Forum during those times, its as fast as a button, with no slow down. My mind tells me that is just a Mediawiki I/O program when it comes to having to reteive the database. We might have to run that connection test script again (disable stats of course) again with mem-cache enabled. Directing everyone off to an off-site database is not the problem. We do that already with Athena, which is on a different subnet than Apollo, it be almost investing in a "Load Balanceing" hardware that we can place in front of Apollo that filters traffic more directly. WWW --> Load Balancer -- double split arrow --> Apollo + Athena. However, Athena never talks with the outside world, cept on the admin port and talks with Apollo internally at ThePlanet. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:19, 4 March 2008 (CST)
::How about we set up a third DB server as a slave? It wouldn't have to be on a separate machine, it could run on Apollo. The other way around may even be better: have Athena do the hard work (servicing reads) and be somewhat lighter on Apollo (only writes). For more information on setting up master/slave DB servers in MediaWiki, go [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDBservers here]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:49, 5 March 2008 (CST)
::I'm going to second Shane's comments regarding MediaWiki... During "Razor's" premiere and the two days following, the forum was fine, with the Wiki seeming to be the slowest. Coincidentally, when Apollo became bogged down, I had to deactivate the mysql database on Athena in order to get Apollo accessible via SSH, which tells me that Apollo was being the workhorse there... and was also being a bottleneck, apparently. So it seems to be that we need to beef up the Apollo server, and not Athena, which was fine even through the entire thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:22, 5 March 2008 (CST)
:::Have we yet figured out a way to simulate "battle" load, outside of trial by fire yet? It seems like most of the simulations so far have been less violent than the real deal. While it is not something we ought to subject our servers to on a whim, it would be nice to be able to test configuration changes before they face combat. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:54, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::Someone familiar with the pywikipediabot framework (not me, I'd have to learn Python xD) could write up a bot that does lots of writes. Without it, we can really only simulate a flood of reads (I could write up something for that, though). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:06, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::::I think I understood that it was the concurrent edits (and edit conflicts that result) that were bringing us down. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:::::::Yeah, I wanted to say that (must've deleted it while rewriting): our largest problem is the edit flood, that's why we protect articles or put the wiki in read-only mode. We could maybe arrange for an edit fest, though: we all agree to submit a large number of edits more or less simultaneously (we can prepare them beforehand) at the Hangar Bay, and see what happens. IRC (Freenode?) would be useful to coordinate that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:58, 6 March 2008 (CST)

== Style idea ==

For those wanting a simpler style, I ran across [http://userstyles.org/styles/1365 this]. With a little tweaking, it would probably work here for those people wanting a cleaner layout. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:48, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
:As a less is more kinda person, I like it. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 23:32, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
::I can't see it. :/ --[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:11, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::Do you mean you can't access it, or don't see it working for us? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:02, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:I am one of the five people who actually love the dark red/black style, but as option for those who don't (and that's a lot of people) that would be good. It seems to have a larger font too. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:35, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::Hey, I thought I was the only one who stuck with bsgbook (dark red/black), guess not then. On topic: the more choice, the better, of course. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:26, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::I happen to use (and love) the new style as well. The only thing I can say against it is the width issue, seeing as I have a 17" widescreen. Other than that, the style I pointed out is simple and gets rid of some of the clutter... it may work for us. It may not. Also, keep in mind that our current style (<s>BsgBook</s> ahem, Battlestar) will remain our default style, these will just be alternatives for people who don't like the current style.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:02, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::The current default is battlestar, right? (The "new" style) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:12, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::::You're right. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:20, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::<nowiki>*cough* Battlestar iPhone *cough* and *cough* Battlestar Light *cough* :D</nowiki> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:46, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:::: When will either of these be ready? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:11, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

== TOS tag out of place ==

I'm using BSG monobook in Firefox and the TOS emblem appears about half a centimetre too low. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 10:26, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:Yeah... I will fix that. :) Thanks for the update! (Give me a few mintues...) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:36, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:Try a hard refresh. It should be now in the correct place. :) Now to gwad my eyes for switching to bsgmonobook!!!!! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:41, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::Fixed now! [[User:OTW|OTW]] 13:38, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

If possible, could someone please change my username from Sgalovan to "Galjamspe". Thank you.

Battlestar Wiki:News/Colonial Fleet News Service

2008-03-15T07:51:37Z

Galjamspe: Added time that announcement can be heard to Caprica series news.

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*An unofficial (but usually reliable) [http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drandmrswho/2008/03/07/The-Dr-and-Mrs-Who source] is reporting that ''[[Caprica (series) | Caprica]]'' has been greenlighted to go directly to series. Production is set to start in two weeks in Canada. The announcement can be heard at time index 3:23 of the audio source.
*BSG composer [[Bear McCreary]] is set to perform live April 13 at Los Angeles' Roxy nightclub. Cast members from the show will act as emcees. According to Bear's blog, music will be peformed from all four seasons, a video/documentary will be produced, and some very special guests will attended. <ref> [http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/02/battlestar-gala.html Bear McCreary Concert ] </ref>
*''Battlestar Galactica'' has received the following 34th Saturn Awards nominations: Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series, Best Presentation on Television, and Best Actor - Edward James Olmos. <ref>[http://www.saturnawards.org/nominations.html Saturn Award Nominations]</ref>
*For new fans who want a [[What The Frak Is Going On|quick, 8-and-a-half-minute recap]] about the events thus far (excluding "[[Razor]]"), see the [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=224004 Sci Fi.com video] or check out [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcFNqvHPQQc this version] from YouTube.com.

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2008-03-15T07:22:29Z

Galjamspe: What The Frak Is Going On YouTube link will reportdely be deleted. Linked to video hosted by Sci-Fi Channel.l

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*An unofficial (but usually reliable) [http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drandmrswho/2008/03/07/The-Dr-and-Mrs-Who source] is reporting that ''[[Caprica (series) | Caprica]]'' has been greenlighted to go directly to series. Production is set to start in two weeks in Canada.
*BSG composer [[Bear McCreary]] is set to perform live April 13 at Los Angeles' Roxy nightclub. Cast members from the show will act as emcees. According to Bear's blog, music will be peformed from all four seasons, a video/documentary will be produced, and some very special guests will attended. <ref> [http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/02/battlestar-gala.html Bear McCreary Concert ] </ref>
*''Battlestar Galactica'' has received the following 34th Saturn Awards nominations: Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series, Best Presentation on Television, and Best Actor - Edward James Olmos. <ref>[http://www.saturnawards.org/nominations.html Saturn Award Nominations]</ref>
*For new fans who want a [[What The Frak Is Going On|quick, 8-and-a-half-minute recap]] about the events thus far (excluding "[[Razor]]"), see the [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=224004 Sci Fi.com video] or check out [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcFNqvHPQQc this version] from YouTube.com.

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Battlestar Wiki:Community Portal/Fan Sites

2008-03-12T06:57:32Z

Galjamspe:

* [http://www.galactica.com GALACTICA.COM]
* [http://www.galactica.tv GALACTICA.TV]
* [http://frakparty.com FrakParty.com]
* [http://battlestar-galactica.popcultureguide.com/ Battlestar Galactica Mashups]
* [http://www.gateworld.net/galactica GateWorld's BSG News Page]
* [http://bsgtns.com/ bsgtns.com (aka galactica2003.net)]
* [http://www.galacticastation.com/ Galactica Station]
* [http://www.battlestarblog.com/ Battlestar Blog]
* [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 Subject2Discussion]
* [http://www.galacticabrig.com/ GalacticaBrig]

* [http://www.st-hypertext.com/bsg-1/bsg-1idx.html Jammer's Reviews]
* [http://www.scifi2u.com/Battlestar.htm SciFi2U Battlestar Info and Episodes]
* [http://www.infinitebattlestar.com/ Infinite Battlestar]
* [http://www.spacecast.com/bsg/index.asp Spacecast.com]

* [http://www.cdfcommand.com/ Colonial Defence Forces]
* [http://tahmohpenikett.blogspot.com/ All about Tahmoh Penikett]

* [http://galactica.sfcentar.com Galactica Centar (Croatian)]
* [http://www.battlestarfanclub.de/ Battlestar Fan Club - Germany]
* [http://caprica-city.de Caprica City (German)]

* [http://en.chainki.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Galactica_Series Chainki.org BSG Links]
* [http://www.battlestaronline.com/ BattlestarOnline.com - News & Merchandise]
* [http://cartoons.sev.com.au/Sev-Space/Battlesev-Galaxative/ Battlesev Galaxative Webcomic]

'''Video Games'''
* [http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36 FreeSpace2 Battlestar Galactica mod - Beyond the Red Line (BTRL)]
* [http://hw2bsg.sourceforge.net Homeworld2 Battlestar Galactica mod (HW2BSG)]

Battlestar Wiki:News/Colonial Fleet News Service

2008-03-11T07:20:04Z

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*An unofficial (but usually reliable) [http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drandmrswho/2008/03/07/The-Dr-and-Mrs-Who source] is reporting that ''[[Caprica (series) | Caprica]]'' has been greenlighted to go directly to series. Production is set to start in two weeks in Canada.
*BSG composer [[Bear McCreary]] is set to perform live April 13 at Los Angeles' Roxy nightclub. Cast members from the show will act as emcees. According to Bear's blog, music will be peformed from all four seasons, a video/documentary will be produced, and some very special guests will attended. <ref> [http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/02/battlestar-gala.html Bear McCreary Concert ] </ref>
*''Battlestar Galactica'' has received the following 34th Saturn Awards nominations: Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series, Best Presentation on Television, and Best Actor - Edward James Olmos. <ref>[http://www.saturnawards.org/nominations.html Saturn Award Nominations]</ref>
*For new fans who want a [[What The Frak Is Going On|quick, 8-and-a-half-minute recap]] about the events thus far (excluding "[[Razor]]"), see the [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=224004 Sci Fi.com video] or check out [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4DUraGnEMk this version] from YouTube.com.
*The promotional pictures for Season 4 are now [http://dryope.livejournal.com/381742.html available].
*''Battlestar Galactica'' recently won a VES Award for "Visual Effects in a Broadcast Miniseries, Movie or Special" from the [http://visualeffectssociety.com Visual Effects Society] for their work on "[[Razor]]". <ref>[http://www.visualeffectssociety.com/documents/thewinnersare08_001.pdf Winner Announcement PDF]</ref>
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History of the Twelve Colonies

2008-03-05T21:03:15Z

Galjamspe: Replaced Monclair painting with a more detailed version.

:''This article discusses an aspect of the [[Re-imagined Series]] version of the Twelve Colonies. For information on the [[Original Series]] version, see [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]].''

:''See also the [[Timeline (RDM)|Re-Imagined Series Timeline]] for an approximate chronology of the history of the Colonies and events in the [[Re-imagined Series]].''

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==Pre-History==
[[image:Lagoonnebula.jpg|thumb|right|"Life here began out there"]]

During the service for the dead at the conclusion of the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] states "Life here began out there,"<ref>This line is an homage to the [[Original Series]], where each episode began with a voiceover of this phrase.</ref> reminding the assembly that this was the first line of the [[Sacred Scrolls]], told to them by the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] uncounted centuries ago.

There is some evidence that appears to indicate that the humans of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] actually originated from the planet [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].<ref>For the most part, the similarities between the culture of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] and Earth (three piece suits, [[Wikipedia: Humvee|Humvees]], military jargon, [[small arms|firearms]], etc.) are presumably dramatic conceits intended to help the audience identify with the characters of the show. The series, however, is written to exhibit evidence of a prior connection with Earth's past, present or future colonization by humanity.</ref>

When a ground team from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] enters the [[Tomb of Athena]], they find a map room in the form of a planetarium, depicting constellations in Earth's night sky. [[Laura Roslin]] identifies the actual star patterns, not their symbols, as the original flags of the Twelve Colonies. These patterns are only visible from Earth, which implies that the creators of the map had some prior knowledge of their destination before setting out ([[Home, Part II]]).

This prior knowledge is also consistent with the portions of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] revealed to us thus far, and the veneration of the Lords of Kobol, whose resemblance to the Greek Gods cannot otherwise be easily accounted for. The Colonial [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies|ecosystems]] are also identical to Earth's, with very few exceptions.<ref>In the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]], [[Ron Moore]] and [[David Eick]] indicate that they deliberately confuse the storyline so that it is impossible to know if the Re-imagined Series takes place in the past, present, or future of the real-world Earth of today.</ref>

Several clues point to Earth as the true homeworld of humanity. As the Fleet approaches Earth, the artifacts they encounter become more ancient. The ruins on Kobol are 2,000 years old, the [[Lion's Head beacon|Lion' head nebula beacon]] is 3,000 years old, and the Temple of Five is dated to 4,000 years.

==Kobol==
[[image:Pythia.jpg|thumb|left|The Book of Pythia]]
Approximately 3,600 years before the events in the [[Miniseries]], the oracle [[Pythia]] recorded her [[Sacred Scrolls#The Book of Pythia|prophecy]] of the exile and rebirth of the human race ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).
While on Kobol, the thirteen tribes apparently lived in an idyllic utopia with their Gods, but roughly 1,600 years later (2,000 years before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]), this coexistence was ended as Pythia's prophecy came to fruition ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). The prophecy alludes to a "blaze" which descended on the thirteen tribes and against which the Lords of Kobol were powerless to intervene ([[Home, Part I]]).<ref>In a [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/112/mov/bsg_del_112_regret.mov scene] [[Deleted scenes|cut]] from the episode "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", [[Elosha]] states that the exodus from Kobol was precipitated when "one jealous god began to desire that he be elevated above all the other gods, and the war on Kobol began." In another [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/203/deleted1.html deleted scene] cut from the episode "[[Fragged]]," Roslin states that humanity wasn't "exiled" from Kobol, but that the Sacred Scrolls say that "there was some sort of battle among the Gods, and when it was over we ''chose'' to leave."</ref>
 

==Exodus==
[[Image:Gates of hera.jpg|thumb|right|The Gates of Hera]]
In despair, [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Athena]] threw herself from the [[Gates of Hera]], to her death. The leaders of the tribes were [[Tomb of Athena|interred with her]], and the populace of the tribes were taken in a "[[Galleon]]" (a spacecraft) to their places of refuge. Twelve tribes find and occupy a solar system with at least 12 habitable worlds, while a thirteenth tribe locates a world they named [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. [[Zeus, Lord of Kobol|Zeus]] warned the survivors that any return to Kobol "would exact a price in blood."
 

==Settlement==

After settling on their new homes, another cataclysm befell the Twelve Tribes. This resulted in the destruction of much of their knowledge base and sent the Colonies into a dark age <ref name=RDM1-30-05>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 RDM, January 30, 2005]).</ref><ref>On the real-world Earth, similar dark ages occurred after the falls of [[Wikipedia:Dark Ages|Rome]] and [[Wikipedia:Greek Dark Ages|Mycenaean Greece]], and lasted for centuries. It is possible that much of their technological knowledge of interstellar spaceflight was lost after the escape from Kobol. Over time, they rebuilt their technological base, and travel between the Colonies was commonplace for some time before the Cylon Attack.</ref>.

[[Image:Centurion_armor_old.jpg|thumb|left|100px|An early-model Cylon]] After their return to space, the Colonies established many observatories, listening posts, research stations and armories in their system. Inequity and war were common between the Colonies for most of this time period as each colony behaved more as sovereign nations. By the end of the strife, [[Sagittaron]] had been exploited for centuries ([[Bastille Day]]).

Various shifting alliances and attempts at unified government came out of these conflicts, which would later form the bedrock of the [[Articles of Colonization]], but it would still be some time before a practical Colonies-wide government was established <ref>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005]).</ref>.

The Colonials also created robots, called [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], to do work which they found unpleasant, including industrial work and soldiers in their civil wars.<ref name=RDM1-30-05/>
 

==The Cylon War==
:''Main article: [[Cylon War]]''

[[Image:Monclair2.jpg|thumb|right|A painting by [[Monclair]] commemorates a bloody Colonial victory]]
Such was the extent to which the Colonies had invested their military power in the Cylons that when they chose to rebel against their masters, the Colonials found themselves well-matched. With their mastery of Colonial technology, the Cylons were able to infiltrate nearly all networked devices. The Colonials were forced to abandon networked computers and wireless devices in favor of more secure and durable technologies, able to withstand both Cylon infiltration and the powerful nuclear weapons used by the warring parties<ref>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000013 RDM, January 19, 2005]).</ref>. Twelve [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]] built in the opening years of the war best exemplified these principles, including ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Miniseries]]). In response to the great threat posed by the Cylons, the Twelve Colonies formed a unified federal [[Government]] for the first time, at the beginning of the war ([[Colonial Day]]).

At its darkest hour, the Cylon War came very close to wiping out the Colonies.<ref name=RDM1-30-05/> This outcome of the war likely developed, among other practices, the [[Case Orange]] contingency government succession protocol as well as the re-buildup of the Colonial Fleet in the Federal Era.

==Armistice==
[[Image:Armistice Station.jpg|thumb|left|Armistice Station]]
After the Cylon War ended, a long and bloody struggle of approximately 12 years, an armistice was declared, and the Cylons departed for a [[Cylon homeworld|world of their own]]. The Colonials established a neutral meeting place, [[Armistice Station]], and made diplomatic overtures for Cylons and Colonials to meet annually. However, these overtures were continually ignored.

After the war, the military went through a Reduction in Force, resulting in the discharge of many of the war's veterans.
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==Federal Era==

While the Cylon War had a lasting effect on the government of the Twelve Colonies, the population as a whole, much of it born after the war, had relegated it to a historical note in textbooks (much as real-world Earth citizens regard their Second World War). The now-united government continued to maintain a large standing military, which, forty years after the war, had grown to include 120 battlestars ([[Miniseries]]), most apparently more advanced than those of the original battlestar class ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). This buildup apparently began about twenty years after the war, around the time [[Saul Tigh]] and [[William Adama]] rejoined the military ("[[Scattered]]" and its [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/201/bsg_ep201_FULL.mp3 podcast]).

With their military assets now concentrated in a central government under the [[Articles of Colonization]] ([[Epiphanies|with Caprica City as the capital]]), the new government of the Twelve Colonies was able to maintain peace among its members ([[Water]]). Now presumably free of the Cylon threat, technologies which could not be used during the war were redeployed throughout the fleet, increasing its effectiveness against more mundane opponents ([[Miniseries]]).

This new era of federalism was not without considerable opposition. Dissidents on Sagittaron lead by [[Tom Zarek]] took arms against the government ([[Bastille Day]]), supplied by arms dealers like [[Leoben Conoy#Ragnar Anchorage Copy|Leoben Conoy]].<ref name=RDM1-30-05/> Regardless of these localized attempts at insurrection, on the whole the Twelve Colonies faced no major military threats, with the loss of contact with the Cylons. The [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]'s standing numbers were actually kept disproportionately high relative to their common uses, in fear that one day the Cylons might return. Day-to-day work for the Fleet consisted of handling the small-scale brush fire attempts at rebellion such as on Sagittaron, but these were all light peacekeeping actions rather than actual fighting. Prior to the Cylon attack, none of ''Galactica's'' younger-generation crew had ever seen any real combat.

==Fall of the Twelve Colonies==
:''Main article: [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]''

[[Image:Nukes in Miniseries.jpg|left|thumb|The destruction of Caprica]]
The arrogance of the Colonials in re-equipping their military with technologies vulnerable to Cylon interference proved to be their undoing. Forty years after the first Cylon War, [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon infiltrators]] subverted Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]'s [[Command Navigation Program]], allowing an advanced Cylon armada to destroy the Colonial fleet with impunity.

The attack resulted in the nuclear bombardment and occupation of the Colonies and the enslavement of most of the few isolated survivors in a series of [[Farms]]. Altogether, less than one hundred ships (mostly civilian) survived the attack, including only two battlestars - the nearly obsolete ''[[Galactica]]'' and the [[Mercury class battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. The survivors abandoned the Colonies and formed a convoy in search of the thirteenth colony, [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], where they hope to find refuge.

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2008-02-27T07:36:49Z

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=====DVDs=====
* The [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 1 DVD)|Season 3 DVD]] will be released on March 18, 2008. It will include an extended version of "[[Unfinished Business]]" with over 25 minutes of extra content, in addition to deleted scenes, featurettes, and podcasts.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-3/8715|title= TVShowsOnDVD.com: Battlestar Galactica DVD news: Announcement for Battlestar Galactica - Season 3|date=31 December 2007|accessdate=31 December 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref><ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-3-Menus/8860
|title= TVShowsOnDVD.com: Battlestar Galactica DVD news: 3rd Season Release Date MOVES! Plus a TON Of Menu Screen Previews, Too|date=26 January 2008|accessdate=26 January 2008|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>[http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B00129W6LE Pre-order it on Amazon.com].
*"[[Razor]]" is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000V5IP6K Amazon.com] ([[Razor (Region 1 DVD)|Region 1 DVD]]) and [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000WISSOK Amazon UK] ([[Razor (Region 2 DVD)|Region 2 DVD]]).
*The complete [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season 1]] (including the [[Miniseries]]) was [[Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (HD-DVD)|released on HD-DVD]] and is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000V5IPA6/ Amazon.com.]
*The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 1 DVD)|Region 1 DVD box set]] for the complete ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' series is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000W4KT9G/ Amazon.com.]. The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 2 DVD)|Region 2 DVD box set]] will be released on February 18, 2008 and can be pre-ordered on [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000YGHC0G Amazon UK]. The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 4 DVD)|Region 4 DVD box set]] will be released on March 05, 2008 and can be pre-ordered on [http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/797906 EzyDVD].

=====Soundtracks=====
*The [[Soundtrack (Season 3)|Season 3 Soundtrack]] is available from either [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000UZ4C4A/ Amazon.com] (US and Canada) or from [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000UZ4C4A/ Amazon UK].

=====Other Merchandise=====

*[http://www.thinkgeek.com Think Geek] is now selling a "What the frak?" [http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/popculture/9ed0/ t-shirt] and a [http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hoodies/9eda/ hoodie], with a ''Battlestar Galactica'' logo behind the text.

*According to [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=674&nl=1 Figures.com], Action Figure Xpress is accepting pre-orders for a [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]] statue. Limited to 480 pieces, the statue is due in April for $149.99.

*Sideshow Collectibles is now offering you the chance to own [http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=255 your own life-sized RDM Cylon Centurion] for the low price of $7,900 plus shipping.

*[[Quantum Mechanix]] released a set of five [http://www.quantummechanix.com/BSGPropaganda.html ''Battlestar Galactica'' Propaganda Posters] for $29.95.

*DST has [http://www.diamondselecttoys.com/store.asp?p=item.asp%3FItemNo%3D59730%26CategoryID%3D369 announced] that an action figure of [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]] will be available in series two as a Wizard Entertainment exclusive. In addition, Minimates series 4 will include [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=656&nl=1 Kat and a Centurion with mortar pack] as Previews exclusives.

*Figures.com has an [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=654&nl=1 image] of Diamond Select Toys' upcoming Kat, Starbuck, and Helo figures, along with a [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=653 look] at Minimates series 4 and DST's upcoming Viper Mark II statue.

=====Non-''Battlestar''/Stuff Your Really Want and Need=====

* Buy [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000FI73MA Amazon's new Kindle reading device] and get a four-year [[BW:MEMBERSHIP|membership]] as an added bonus! [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2007/11/30/buy-amazons-kindle-and-get-a-four-year-paid-subscription-free/ See the blog post for more details.]

<div align="right">[[:Portal:Merchandise|Merchandise Portal]] | [[:Category:Merchandise|Merchandise Items]] | [[Battlestar Wiki:Community Portal#CBB|More Merchandise News]]</div>
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2008-02-27T07:04:38Z

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=====DVDs=====
* The [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 1 DVD)|Season 3 DVD]] will be released on March 18, 2008. It will include an extended version of "[[Unfinished Business]]" with over 25 minutes of extra content, in addition to deleted scenes, featurettes, and podcasts.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-3/8715|title= TVShowsOnDVD.com: Battlestar Galactica DVD news: Announcement for Battlestar Galactica - Season 3|date=31 December 2007|accessdate=31 December 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref><ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-3-Menus/8860
|title= TVShowsOnDVD.com: Battlestar Galactica DVD news: 3rd Season Release Date MOVES! Plus a TON Of Menu Screen Previews, Too|date=26 January 2008|accessdate=26 January 2008|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>[http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B00129W6LE Pre-order it on Amazon.com].
*"[[Razor]]" is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000V5IP6K Amazon.com] ([[Razor (Region 1 DVD)|Region 1 DVD]]) and [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000WISSOK Amazon UK] ([[Razor (Region 2 DVD)|Region 2 DVD]]).
*The complete [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season 1]] (including the [[Miniseries]]) was [[Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (HD-DVD)|released on HD-DVD]] and is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000V5IPA6/ Amazon.com.]
*The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 1 DVD)|Region 1 DVD box set]] for the complete ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' series is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000W4KT9G/ Amazon.com.]. The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 2 DVD)|Region 2 DVD box set]] will be released on February 18, 2008 and can be pre-ordered on [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000YGHC0G Amazon UK]. The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 4 DVD)|Region 4 DVD box set]] will be released on March 05, 2008 and can be pre-ordered on [http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/797906 EzyDVD].

=====Soundtracks=====
*The [[Soundtrack (Season 3)|Season 3 Soundtrack]] is available from either [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000UZ4C4A/ Amazon.com] (US and Canada) or from [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000UZ4C4A/ Amazon UK].

=====Other Merchandise=====

*[http://www.thinkgeek.com Think Geek] is now selling a "What the frak?" [http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/popculture/9ed0/ t-shirt] and a [http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hoodies/9eda/ hoodie], with a ''Battlestar Galactica'' logo behind the text.

*According to [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=674&nl=1 Figures.com], Action Figure Xpress is accepting pre-orders for a [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]] statue. Limited to 480 pieces, the statue is due in April for $149.99.

*Sideshow Collectibles is now offering you the chance to own [http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=255 your own life-sized RDM Cylon Centurion] for the low price of $7,900 plus shipping.

*[[Quantum Mechanix]] released a set of five [http://www.quantummechanix.com/BSGPropaganda.html ''Battlestar Galactica'' Propaganda Posters] for $29.95.

*DST has [http://www.diamondselecttoys.com/article.asp?ai=62043 announced] that an action figure of [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]] will be available in series two as a Wizard Entertainment exclusive. In addition, Minimates series 4 will include [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=656&nl=1 Kat and a Centurion with mortar pack] as Previews exclusives.

*Figures.com has an [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=654&nl=1 image] of Diamond Select Toys' upcoming Kat, Starbuck, and Helo figures, along with a [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=653 look] at Minimates series 4 and DST's upcoming Viper Mark II statue.

=====Non-''Battlestar''/Stuff Your Really Want and Need=====

* Buy [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000FI73MA Amazon's new Kindle reading device] and get a four-year [[BW:MEMBERSHIP|membership]] as an added bonus! [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2007/11/30/buy-amazons-kindle-and-get-a-four-year-paid-subscription-free/ See the blog post for more details.]

<div align="right">[[:Portal:Merchandise|Merchandise Portal]] | [[:Category:Merchandise|Merchandise Items]] | [[Battlestar Wiki:Community Portal#CBB|More Merchandise News]]</div>
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=====DVDs=====
* The [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 1 DVD)|Season 3 DVD]] will be released on March 18, 2008. It will include an extended version of "[[Unfinished Business]]" with over 25 minutes of extra content, in addition to deleted scenes, featurettes, and podcasts.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-3/8715|title= TVShowsOnDVD.com: Battlestar Galactica DVD news: Announcement for Battlestar Galactica - Season 3|date=31 December 2007|accessdate=31 December 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref><ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-3-Menus/8860
|title= TVShowsOnDVD.com: Battlestar Galactica DVD news: 3rd Season Release Date MOVES! Plus a TON Of Menu Screen Previews, Too|date=26 January 2008|accessdate=26 January 2008|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>[http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B00129W6LE Pre-order it on Amazon.com].
*"[[Razor]]" is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000V5IP6K Amazon.com] ([[Razor (Region 1 DVD)|Region 1 DVD]]) and [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000WISSOK Amazon UK] ([[Razor (Region 2 DVD)|Region 2 DVD]]).
*The complete [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season 1]] (including the [[Miniseries]]) was [[Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (HD-DVD)|released on HD-DVD]] and is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000V5IPA6/ Amazon.com.]
*The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 1 DVD)|Region 1 DVD box set]] for the complete ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' series is available on [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000W4KT9G/ Amazon.com.]. The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 2 DVD)|Region 2 DVD box set]] will be released on February 18, 2008 and can be pre-ordered on [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000YGHC0G Amazon UK]. The [[Galactica 1980 (Region 4 DVD)|Region 4 DVD box set]] will be released on March 05, 2008 and can be pre-ordered on [http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/797906 EzyDVD].

=====Soundtracks=====
*The [[Soundtrack (Season 3)|Season 3 Soundtrack]] is available from either [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000UZ4C4A/ Amazon.com] (US and Canada) or from [http://astore.amazon.co.uk/battlestarwik-21/detail/B000UZ4C4A/ Amazon UK].

=====Other Merchandise=====

*[http://www.thinkgeek.com Think Geek] is now selling a "What the frak?" [http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/9ed0/ t-shirt] and a [http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hoodies/9eda/ hoodie], with a ''Battlestar Galactica'' logo behind the text.

*According to [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=674&nl=1 Figures.com], Action Figure Xpress is accepting pre-orders for a [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]] statue. Limited to 480 pieces, the statue is due in April for $149.99.

*Sideshow Collectibles is now offering you the chance to own [http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=255 your own life-sized RDM Cylon Centurion] for the low price of $7,900 plus shipping.

*[[Quantum Mechanix]] released a set of five [http://www.quantummechanix.com/BSGPropaganda.html ''Battlestar Galactica'' Propaganda Posters] for $29.95.

*DST has [http://www.diamondselecttoys.com/article.asp?ai=62043 announced] that an action figure of [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]] will be available in series two as a Wizard Entertainment exclusive. In addition, Minimates series 4 will include [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=656&nl=1 Kat and a Centurion with mortar pack] as Previews exclusives.

*Figures.com has an [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=654&nl=1 image] of Diamond Select Toys' upcoming Kat, Starbuck, and Helo figures, along with a [http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=41&show_article=653 look] at Minimates series 4 and DST's upcoming Viper Mark II statue.

=====Non-''Battlestar''/Stuff Your Really Want and Need=====

* Buy [http://astore.amazon.com/battlestarwik-20/detail/B000FI73MA Amazon's new Kindle reading device] and get a four-year [[BW:MEMBERSHIP|membership]] as an added bonus! [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2007/11/30/buy-amazons-kindle-and-get-a-four-year-paid-subscription-free/ See the blog post for more details.]

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