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2008-05-26T20:00:38Z

FredTheDeadHead: Tyrol isn't in that scene.

''Apollo starts walking to his [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]]. Socinus catches up with him.'' '''Specialist [[Socinus|Socinus]]''': The auxiliary R-T switch is sticking a bit, sir, but she'll fly. '''Captain [[Lee Adama|Lee Adama]]''': Polish up the canopy, I want it crystal clear. '''Specialist '''[[Socinus|'''Socinus''']]: Yes, sir! --''[[You Can't Go Home Again|You Can't Go Home Again]]''

Talk:Guess What's Coming to Dinner?/Archive 1

2008-05-18T18:33:48Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Baltar and Gaeta */

==Into the West==
I was just reading over the communique Brad just sent us, where he tells us that "Into the West" is not actually an episode of the fourth season, and I might know what happened. Apparently the source for the name of the episode comes from [http://thetvaddict.com/2007/06/27/more-battlestar-galactica-scoop/ this] report from an on-set reporter who glanced over a random script laying around, with the title "Into the West" on it back in June. With a little bit of research I discovered that frequent Battlestar director [[Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]] recently worked on project for Stephen Spielberg called "[http://alt.tnt.tv/itw/ Into the West]", and the writer for TV Addict might have glanced over one of Sergio's scripts. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 03:57, 30 November 2007 (CST)

== The "Deleted Discussions" tag ==

I removed the deleted discussions tag, since it was clear that this discussion page was originally the one for "Into the West", itself having been deleted. I did this to avoid any confusion. Thanks for the heads-up, [[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]]! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Two-parter? ==

According to imdb.com, this episode is the first half of a two-parter, which means "Guess What's Coming to Dinner part 2" will air next week, and Sine Qua Non airs only after that. Is that true? Do you have any information on this? -- [[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 18:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
: Well, it's a two-parter in the sense that there'll be a conclusion. However, the second part ''is'' "Sine Qua Non". Also, don't trust IMDb with new information... they for every one thing they get right, there are two to five things that are completely wrong, particularly for content that hasn't aired yet. (For instance, all the episodes for season 4.0 were credited as being written by RDM, when that isn't the case.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Two-parters don't have to have the same title. See "Scattered"/"Valley of Darkness", "Occupation"/"Precipice", "Torn"/"A Measure of Salvation" or "The Eye of Jupiter"/"Rapture". There are more episodes that are clearly connected, like the whole first few episodes of Season 2. And that's just on this show. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::Serenity, since I watch the same show, I am absolutely aware of that. Imdb just listed "part 2" and "Sine Qua Non" as two different episodes. And, well, this "part 1-part 2" naming also had some credibility because of "Crossroads". But yes, I totally understand that imdb is a lousy source for any information. :) Thanks for clarifying this. -- [[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 19:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, didn't check the site. In that case, it's just them being lazy again. The episode titles and order have been known for some time and confirmed by official sources. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::That source would be [[BW:OC#Season 4 Episode Titles|this one]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 21:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::At Caprica City we had been listing GWCTD as a two-parter for many weeks. If I'm not mistaken, our "source" was a KR post on Skiffy. It wasn't until several days ago that we realized all this confusion probably arose from the fact that May 23rd is Memorial Day. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 23:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::At last... Pedda is alive! :P yeah. I think it's pretty much confirmed by now that's it is a two-parter. There is so much stuff to be resolved, I doubt they can fit it in an hour show. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::According to the Faith podcast, Guess What's Coming to Dinner is the conclusion of a two-parter which started with Faith. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Missing cast ==

I filled the gaps in the guest cast best I could, but there are two last names I'm not positive about because it took some detective work just to make out the most of the names in the closing credits. I believe the penultimate is Craig Veroni - a Vancouver actor. The last appears to be Lee Jeffery (or Jeffrey) who has ties to the show... at least according to IMDb. So both seem likely to be correct educated guesses. Can anyone confirm? And, of course, add character names because I cannot make that leap. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 07:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Baltar and Gaeta ==

I disagree with this analysis in the article:

"Gaius Baltar is also drawn to see Gaeta, but the two do not interact; he is out of Gaeta's view and listening to him singing, suggesting that Baltar may have forgiven Gaeta for perjuring himself at Baltar's trial and for the earlier murder attempt."

I think that it's unreasonable to infer that from such a short scene with no dialogue between the characters. Should it be removed? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 09:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

: More than likely, the two don't interact. Otherwise, Gaeta would have been clearly agitated, given that Gaeta:

# perjured himself on the stand in an attempt to secure a guilty plea for Baltar that Roslin and Tigh had failed to do so;
# stabbed Baltar in the neck.

: Of course, once the podcast is released, we may learn more. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

::I take it that you agree it should be removed? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 18:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Guess What's Coming to Dinner?/Archive 1

2008-05-18T09:36:42Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Baltar and Gaeta */ new section

==Into the West==
I was just reading over the communique Brad just sent us, where he tells us that "Into the West" is not actually an episode of the fourth season, and I might know what happened. Apparently the source for the name of the episode comes from [http://thetvaddict.com/2007/06/27/more-battlestar-galactica-scoop/ this] report from an on-set reporter who glanced over a random script laying around, with the title "Into the West" on it back in June. With a little bit of research I discovered that frequent Battlestar director [[Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]] recently worked on project for Stephen Spielberg called "[http://alt.tnt.tv/itw/ Into the West]", and the writer for TV Addict might have glanced over one of Sergio's scripts. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 03:57, 30 November 2007 (CST)

== The "Deleted Discussions" tag ==

I removed the deleted discussions tag, since it was clear that this discussion page was originally the one for "Into the West", itself having been deleted. I did this to avoid any confusion. Thanks for the heads-up, [[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]]! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Two-parter? ==

According to imdb.com, this episode is the first half of a two-parter, which means "Guess What's Coming to Dinner part 2" will air next week, and Sine Qua Non airs only after that. Is that true? Do you have any information on this? -- [[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 18:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
: Well, it's a two-parter in the sense that there'll be a conclusion. However, the second part ''is'' "Sine Qua Non". Also, don't trust IMDb with new information... they for every one thing they get right, there are two to five things that are completely wrong, particularly for content that hasn't aired yet. (For instance, all the episodes for season 4.0 were credited as being written by RDM, when that isn't the case.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Two-parters don't have to have the same title. See "Scattered"/"Valley of Darkness", "Occupation"/"Precipice", "Torn"/"A Measure of Salvation" or "The Eye of Jupiter"/"Rapture". There are more episodes that are clearly connected, like the whole first few episodes of Season 2. And that's just on this show. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::Serenity, since I watch the same show, I am absolutely aware of that. Imdb just listed "part 2" and "Sine Qua Non" as two different episodes. And, well, this "part 1-part 2" naming also had some credibility because of "Crossroads". But yes, I totally understand that imdb is a lousy source for any information. :) Thanks for clarifying this. -- [[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 19:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, didn't check the site. In that case, it's just them being lazy again. The episode titles and order have been known for some time and confirmed by official sources. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::That source would be [[BW:OC#Season 4 Episode Titles|this one]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 21:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::At Caprica City we had been listing GWCTD as a two-parter for many weeks. If I'm not mistaken, our "source" was a KR post on Skiffy. It wasn't until several days ago that we realized all this confusion probably arose from the fact that May 23rd is Memorial Day. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 23:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::At last... Pedda is alive! :P yeah. I think it's pretty much confirmed by now that's it is a two-parter. There is so much stuff to be resolved, I doubt they can fit it in an hour show. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::According to the Faith podcast, Guess What's Coming to Dinner is the conclusion of a two-parter which started with Faith. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Missing cast ==

I filled the gaps in the guest cast best I could, but there are two last names I'm not positive about because it took some detective work just to make out the most of the names in the closing credits. I believe the penultimate is Craig Veroni - a Vancouver actor. The last appears to be Lee Jeffery (or Jeffrey) who has ties to the show... at least according to IMDb. So both seem likely to be correct educated guesses. Can anyone confirm? And, of course, add character names because I can make that leap. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 07:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Baltar and Gaeta ==

I disagree with this analysis in the article:

"Gaius Baltar is also drawn to see Gaeta, but the two do not interact; he is out of Gaeta's view and listening to him singing, suggesting that Baltar may have forgiven Gaeta for perjuring himself at Baltar's trial and for the earlier murder attempt."

I think that it's unreasonable to infer that from such a short scene with no dialogue between the characters. Should it be removed? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 09:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:He That Believeth In Me/Archive 1

2008-05-13T08:58:23Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Galactica Damage */ new section

== Citing issue ==

There is a problem with "Go Between, Inc.". Understandably they don't keep the data forever. Searching for "battlestar" now only yields results for "[[Six of One]]". The data for "[[Razor]]" and this episode is gone. So the cite is kinda pointless. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
: Ran into something like this with [[New Caprican loco weed]] ... the Sci-Fi thread where some of the "Also known as" names came from disappeared. Maybe we should note in the cite "info no longer available"? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:04, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
::Better to remove the cite if we can't back it up (and delete the article, if necessary). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:44, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Deleting the article because the cite isn't available anymore, would be an overreaction though. All other BSG sites still list this (even if we have more stringent citation standards). I'd prefer somehow indicating that the site isn't available anymore. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:25, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
: I agree with Serenity, but of course I'm an inclusionist. The data did exist. Perhaps there is a Google cache (or other website cache) of it still available. I notice the date it was retrieved is part of the cite, I think that is a good thing. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 07:21, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::If it's still in the Google cache, we could copy it to Sources:Go Between or something like that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:52, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Keeping in mind we're not a news source, perhaps it would be better to make a ''screen capture'' of such information to make a permanent source copy on BS Media that cannot expire. The capture as well as the tenuous article sourcing can be removed later once we get more firm sourcing. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:15, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::::That would be feasible. Unless someone has a better idea, that might be the best. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:24, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Excellent idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:26, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

== Update ==

Mark Verheiden reports on his [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2007/08/bsg-update-next.html blog] that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson are writing this episode. I've updated the article accordingly. Also, he reports that officially the production numbers for Razor are 401 and 402, and Season 4, Episode 1 is going to be 403. --[[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 10:51, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
:I don't think writers need to be cited, though we can add a footnote if anyone feels the need. I'll add the production number, though seeing this as episode 1 of Season 4 still makes sense. Production numbers can be very confusing. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
::Currently, [[400]] and [[4.00]] redirect to [[Razor]], and [[401]] and [[4.01]] redirect to [[He That Believeth In Me]], a system that I think is more logical than the production numbers. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
:::Agreed. We just need to keep production and episode numbers apart. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:40, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

== Space Park Damaged etc ==

Er, sorry but wheres the citation to support this spoiler? The only thing i've seen that would represent this, is a fan made trailer circulated around youtube, which featured the Battlestars Titan and Hades...whilst well done, everything barring some leaked footage of starbuck, is done entirely on a home computer by the looks of it...so i say again, where did this spoiler appear from? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 23:17, 31 January 2008 (CST)
: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkYvXmD94e0&feature=related Here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:47, 1 February 2008 (CST)
::I dont like the way this season is going...i wasn't particularly enamoured with the whole 'final 5' story either...oh well, i guess they just ran out of steam :( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 16:01, 9 February 2008 (CST)

==SciFi ep?==
I am currently on the West Coast and it's 12:02pm, yet I cannot find anywhere on the SciFi website where the episode is streaming. It says it is there, but I don't see a link. Any ideas?[[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 19:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:It was 12pm EDT and 9am PST :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 19:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Callsigns==
Diana Seelix and Sam Anders' callsigns are mentioned as "Longshot" and "Hardball", I just can't figure out which is which. Anyone know what's what? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't recall hearing those callsigns, but Seelix has been confirmed as Hardball since as far back as October. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 02:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:: "Longshot" isn't Anders' callsign... He mixed up the callsigns when he was trying to cover [[Tally]]... The video for the entire episode is [[He That Believeth In Me/Watch|here]] if you want to check it out. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh. Now I've got that. The first two times I must have thought that "Tally" was jargon. He must have one, of course. Where does "Hotshot" come from? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Now someone entered that Athena called Anders "C-Buck" on his article. That can only happen during their scene on the hangar deck, but I don't hear anything like that. She says. "Hey rook. Stay cool out there, alright. You'll lock on/in and do what you've been trained to do. Come on." -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I was listening out for callsigns and the like. I have never heard "C-Buck" once in the episode... The only time that "C-Bucks" ever come up is way back in "Exodus". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Wait, "tally" *is* pilot jargon. What makes us so sure that it's a callsign? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I am still listen to the episode sound. I recorded that section so I can play it back over and over and I am trying to take out the ambient noise. I will let you know what I come up with. (This is what having a powerfull computer can do!) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because he clearly corrects himself after saying the first callsign... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ok. I have listened to it. After further review I hear "Longshot, '''Tally'''. I got your back". Directly afterwards I can hear crystal clear that Anders says "Selix, you got a raider on your back." So going back to how sub sections communicate, "Conn. Weapons. Estimated time to 1SQ is 15 mintues." (From Crimson Tide) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Here's what I heard of the wireless exchange between Seelix and Anders:
::::Seelix: Longshot, Hardball ... turkey right four low at three ... committing.
::::Anders: Longshot, I got the ... Tally! I've got your back.
:::IMO, the conversation goes
::::Seelix: Longshot (Anders), [this is] Hardball (Seelix) ... turkey (Cylon missile) right four low at three ... committing (engaging).
::::Anders: Longshot, I got the (he is either identifying himself, or winces because he realizes he just called Seelix by his own callsign and/or has trouble assembling proper fighter shorthand) ... Tally (I see your target)! I've got your back.
:::So I'd put my hat into Longshot being Anders's callsign. If there is indeed a third pilot with the callsign "Tally", you'd figure the pilot would have acknowledged over wireless.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 03:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, you've convinced me. Yeah, seems that "Longshot" is his callsign. Although, I would personally like more definitive proof before we proceed on that assumption, which shouldn't be a problem in the future episodes that are coming up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Besides, what's the point in giving someone a callsign ("Tally") that is identical to the popular jargon word used by pilots every now and then? It could cause some serious misunderstanding in the heat of a battle, which is usually fatal. I tend to agree with Joe's explanation. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 03:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::The explanation is Fred's, actually, not mine. Anyway, in regards to the whole "Longshot" thing, we should really play the wait-and-see approach and see if it comes up again in a future episode. Frankly, I don't feel that comfortable in what Anders has to say, particularly since his mind's not in the game, not to mention his lack of experience in general. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Seelix seemed in the game. Spike's quite right, giving the callsign "Tally" to someone could cause a fatal error. Too bad that we don't know if Anders will be back in the cockpit soon. He seems to go onboard that other ship from rumors/spoilers, the Demetrius. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::And "Longshot" just seems to make sense, with him being a professional Pyramid player and all.-- [[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 04:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I think we should wait until we get some confirmation. However, interpreting "Tally" as callsign always seemed specious to me. It can be interpreted either way, but as said, it's already a term for an enemy sighting and identification, and makes sense to be seen that way in the scene. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Makes me think of a comedic spin-off possibility: Battlestar! "''Roger that, Roger. What's the vector, Victor? Request clearance, Clarence.''" :) -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 16:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ooh! What luck! Was just rewatching some episodes for fun, because I'm a loser and episode 2x01 Scattered, shows Apollo using "tally" as pilot jargon. It happens when Apollo first sees the Cylon heavy raider.
::::::::::::Flyboy: What is that thing?
::::::::::::Apollo: I don't know, but whatever it is, it's bearing on Galactica. We gotta take it out.
::::::::::::Hotdog: Apollo, Hotdog defensive. Three right, five at two.
::::::::::::Apollo: Tally! Hotdog, Kat, on me.
:::::::::::Now that we know that "tally' is part of the acknowledged jargon of Battlestar, I don't think they would give any pilot that callsign. -- [[User:Yenguyen|Yenguyen]] 11:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Good catch Yen! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well, not to detract from his point, but we knew that all along. It's not just used in "Scattered". Its first appearance is probably "The Hand of God" -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yep, Hand of God, Scattered, and Maelstrom. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ah, yes. But the last time I searched for "tally" on the wiki, the page with military jargon didn't come up. So boo on you! :P -- [[User:Yenguyen|Yenguyen]] 16:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it works now though. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 20:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Could have to do with our outsourcing searching to Google. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I really feel that Longshot is confirmed as Anders callsign by this scene. It's not vague, knowing how pilots speak. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

==Thrace's claims discussion==

Alpha Centauri's triple star system contains 1 star, Proxima Centauri, which is a 'flare star', capable of changing its luminosity in seconds (more akin to the flashing behaviour described by Starbuck). Another interesting factor is that the name of the constellation, Centaurus, refers to the half-man, half-horse mythological figure, which is also the figure represented by Saggitarus (the statue on the tomb of Athena on which the Arrow of Apollo was placed to reveal the path to Earth).
Although the triple stars of Alpha Centauri cannot be seen from Earth neither it is possible to see the rings of the outer solar system's planets. What seems more likely is that Starbuck saw both the rings and the triple star on her way back to the Ionian Nebula.

-- [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 16:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== [[w:Iron Man (film)|Iron Man]] special preview? ==

Worth noting or no? Since it's not really relevant to the episode itself but the airing thereof..--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 03:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
: Not really worth noting. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== Galactica Damage ==

Could anyone sort out some screenshots of the the damage done to Galactica please? :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 08:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The Road Less Traveled

2008-05-06T07:03:11Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* On Galactica */

{{Episode Data
| image=4x05 - The Road Less Travelled - Promo 1.jpg
| title= The Road Less Traveled
| season= 4
| episode= 5
| guests=
| forumthread= 1008
| writer=[[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| production=407
| rating=
| US airdate=2 May 2008
| UK airdate=
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| population=39676
| oldpopulation=39675
| prev= [[Escape Velocity]]
| next= [[Faith]]
}}

== Overview ==

: ''The prospect of a truce between the [[The Fleet (RDM)|remnants of humanity]] and the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]s encourages [[Kara Thrace]] to trust an old enemy.''

== Summary ==

=== On ''Galactica'' ===

* [[Gaius Baltar]] listens to the laments of [[Phoebe]], who lost her two children on [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]], as well as her husband, during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. She is angered by the fact that all this happened and that the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Gods]] did nothing to spite the people who were responsible for the attack, such as the politicians, programmers, and corporations. Baltar, surrounded by his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], makes a speech (which is recorded and broadcast over the [[wireless]]) about how the Gods failed to come to their aid not because they didn't want to, but because the Lords of Kobol don't exist.
* [[Galen Tyrol]] is listening to Baltar's broadcast while exercising with a jumping rope, but turns it off eventually. [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] begins crying, so Tyrol turns it on again, which apparently soothes the child.
*Later, Tyrol silently stands in the [[launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] where his wife died and is joined by [[Tory Foster]]. Foster tell him that it might never make sense, no matter how long he obsesses over it. Tyrol can't believe that she would commit suicide, despite taking anti-depressants and that she would leave her son behind. Foster tells him to let it go and brings up the possibility that she might have known that he is a Cylon.
*After having sex with Foster, Baltar wonders if she is telling [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] about what he does. She affirms, but says that the politicians have bigger things to worry about than him, and that only inconsequential people from the fringe of society are drawn to him.
* Later, Tyrol hears another of Baltar's sermons and heads down to the commune. There he listens, but is pulled aside by Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]], who scowls and scoffs Tyrol for not getting over Cally's death quickly. Tyrol is told that he needs to get over Cally's death before they are outed as [[Final Five|Cylons]]. Tyrol retorts that Tigh isn't dealing well with their situation either and that he knows that Tigh has been spending time with [[Caprica-Six]].
*After Tigh leaves, Baltar calls out Tyrol, saying that he's sorry for his loss. Tyrol becomes furious, saying that Baltar is a scumbag and that, for some reason, Cally liked him and his [[My Triumphs, My Mistakes|manifesto]] and his dead. Baltar doesn't raise to the bait and asks Tyrol to shake his hand. However, Tyrol grabs him by the throat. Baltar's followers pull him away and Tyrol leaves after shouting "you didn't know her!".
* Back in his quarters, he becomes furious, takes a pistol from a shelf and briefly contemplates to kill himself. Later, when Tyrol lies awake in bed, Baltar visits him and apologizes for the things he said about Cally. He also tells Tyrol, that he committed many crimes and accepted his religious role as his only remaining chance of redemption. Tyrol listens silently, but eventually takes Baltar's hand when he offers it again.

=== On the ''Demetrius'' ===

* On day 58 of their mission, [[Kara Thrace]] unexpectedly decides to join the [[Combat Air Patrol]], although this usually is beyond her duty as captain. With [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]] as her wingman, Thrace (in [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]]'s Viper) encounters a heavily damaged [[Heavy Raider]] that just appeared on their [[DRADIS]]. Both are unsure of what course of action to take, until [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]] hails them over the [[wireless]], offering them a truce between Cylons and humans and a chance for Thrace to fulfill her "journey".
* After allowing the Heavy Raider to dock, Conoy tells Thrace that the ones he left behind on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] need her help, but also that the [[Hybrid]] can help them. Although the crew doesn't find any explosives or tracking devices in the Raider, they are suspicious of Conoy.
* However, Thrace has Conoy escorted to her quarters, where he aims to help her until [[Samuel Anders]] sees how physically close they are and assaults Conoy. He fights with him until the Marines drag Conoy away to lock him up in a closet.
*Anders visits Conoy there to ask him what he wants from Thrace. He tells that Anders that he wants to understand her [[The Destiny|destiny]], which Anders doesn't consider good enough. Conoy replies that it is good enough for Thrace and that Anders might have his own destiny, beyond his relatively inconsequential life as a [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] player. Conoy's words disturb Anders, who fears Conoy may know of his Cylon nature. Conoy also repeats his offer of a truce and that they can find Earth, the "promised land", together.
* On the bridge, [[Sharon Agathon]] and others express their concern that Thrace cannot be trusted, and that they have to meet up with the Fleet to refuel. Moreover, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] made it clear that if the ship didn't return by then, they would be considered lost.
* [[Karl Agathon]] defends Starbuck's authority, but out of concern orders a more thorough for tracking devices and other potential issues. Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]] dons a spacesuit and conducts an inspection of the hull, but is blown away and killed after the reactor on the ship goes critical.
* After her death, Thrace makes a speech to the ship's crew in the mess hall, saying that sometimes people die senseless deaths, but that she is responsible for Mathias's death and has to live with it. She it trying to concede that she may have been a bad and difficult to deal with captain, but can't find the words. [[Felix Gaeta]] tries to come to her aid, by telling her that the rendezvous coordinates with the Fleet have been laid in, but Thrace against insists to meet with Conoy's basestar.
* At this, [[Eammon Pike]] becomes openly hostile and riles everyone up against Thrace's order, believing that her course of action will get them killed too. Captain Agathon offers him a chance to walk away, but when Pike continues, he pistol whips him into unconsciousness.
* Later, on the bridge, she orders the crew to spin up the [[FTL]] drives and prepare to jump to the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebel]]'s basestar. Captain Agathon refuses, which leads her to promote Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] to be her new XO, who refuses to carry out the order as well. Agathon then officially relieves Thrace of command, citing the [[Colonial Military Code]].

== Notes ==
*The title is derived from the poem "The Road Not Taken" by [[w:Robert Frost|Robert Frost]]
::''Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—''
::''I took the one less traveled by,''
::''And that has made all the difference.''
:The common interpretation is that one may be rewarded greatly by choosing a more difficult path than the one used by the crowd. The phrase may also have had a religious meaning for Frost, alluding to [http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat007.htm Matthew 7,12-14], which mentions a broad gate leading to destruction and a narrow gate leading to salvation. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://local.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426710|title=Google Answers: Origin of "road less travelled"}}</ref>
* The survivor count increases by one, meaning that at least one child has been born in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* It has been 58 days since the end of "[[Six of One]]", when Kara Thrace is given the command of the ''[[Demetrius]]''.
* Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]]'s first name, Erin, is spoken for the first time on screen.
* Neither [[William Adama]] nor [[Laura Roslin]] appear in this episode. In both cases, this is [[Central character absences (RDM)|unprecedented]].

== Analysis ==
* Instead of using his demotion as a wakeup call, Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] has slipped further into despair and even contemplates to kill himself. That he has completely shaven his head might also be an indicator of his state of mind.
* Earlier resenting Baltar's presumption of believing what Tyrol's dead wife Cally would want, Tyrol strangles Baltar after ignoring his hand to shake. After Tyrol's suicide effort Baltar visits him in his quarters to apologize and Tyrol accepts Baltar's handshake. In light of Tyrol's resentment, and even hatred, towards Baltar displayed in other episodes, it seems more likely that Tyrol forgives Baltar for offending him in this one instance, but not for all his sins as Baltar may intend.
* Tyrol contemplating to kill himself is visually and thematically similar to [[Sharon Valerii]]'s suicide thoughts in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]". Both either suspect or know that they are a Cylon and fear to hurt those around them. However, Valerii was more serious and calm about killing herself and made a real attempt to do so, while Tyrol acts in a fit of rage and eventually calms down.
* Although [[Karl Agathon]] initially defends Thrace against her crew's discontent and tries to quell any insubordination, he eventually leads the mutiny against her. The difference is that [[Eammon Pike]], and to a lesser extent [[Sharon Agathon]], complain about Thrace behind her back and in an informal way, thus potentially impeding everyone in their work. When push comes to shove, Agathon shares their opinion, but uses official means by citing Colonial military regulations. As executive officer he is also in a better and more credible position to do so than the rest of the crew.

== Questions ==

* Does Conoy sense that Anders is a fellow Cylon?
* How will the situation on the ''Demetrius'' be resolved?
* Will Galen Tyrol begin to associate with Baltar?
* If yes, will Baltar have a positive influence on Tyrol and help him to overcome his grief or uncertainty about being a Cylon?
* What have Tigh and Caprica-Six been doing recently?
* Why does Baltar's broadcast appear to soothe Nicholas Tyrol?

== Official Statements ==





== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''[[Gaius Baltar]] to [[Galen Tyrol]] about his conversion to a believer:''
:"I know it's hard to...make sense of things sometimes. In my own life, I...in my own life I've joined the fleet as a scientist, as a skeptic, as a...supposedly a man of reason. Only to have fate turn that all on its head. But I understand now that there is a purpose to it. We change. We evolve. Maybe we even learn something along the way. (pauses) I have committed...unconscionable crimes. And I have been offered one last chance at redemption, because I chose to accept my fate and not fight it anymore."

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Specialist [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]
* [[Eileen Pedde]] as Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]
* [[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
* [[Lori Triolo]] as [[Phoebe]]

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=306

== References ==
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{{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}

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Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 1

2008-04-28T12:52:19Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Launch tube window */

Is this title a hint to [[Saul Tigh|everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
:That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

== SG1 thing? ==

Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:::The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== Image ==

May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this] (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::My vote goes to [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this], right. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::: It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I say [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=3 this one] How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random <code>{{#random:image1.jpg,etc}}</code> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Orion ==
At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Not only did you see Orion, but also Taurus and the Pleiades - and most importantly, as you would see them if you were within ~50 light years of Earth. --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

== Acts vs. Location Format ==
I feel that this guide would be much easier to read and follow if it was in a Location format instead of by Acts. IMHO, YMMV, ect. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. that's the way I orginally had it setup before spenc uploaded his thing :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't look at the history. It just seems harder to read this way. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hey. Wasn't blaming ya. :) I gues I'll pick apart his summary and switch everything around. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We have most of the guides in act format since that's how the episode translates. While this may be easy to read, it also throws the order of the story out of whack. I figure we have to do this on a case-by-case given the number of scene shifts, so.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not so much scene shifts, but number of ''independent'' story lines. Sometimes, there are two different settings, but heavily intercut and dependent on each other. Like the stuff in "The Eye of Jupiter" and "Rapture". One the other hand, the Caprica, Kobol and Cylon story lines stand for themselves and can have an own section. That's how we always did it. Nothing new :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Nicky Cylon or Human ==

I wonder if this episode shows how the story hits on pure fiction rather than sci-fi with the case of Nicky being a cylon. Nicky is a boy, which would mean there has to be a Y chromosome. If Tyrol is truly a Cylon, then Cally could only have a female child. They stated earlier in the series that the skinjobs could not reproduce without human donors. Reading the sci-fi forums and original series (way back to deception to the Cylons/Baltar by Specter, and how the Beings of Light 'try' not to interfere) may provide a spoiler to what is to come next from this episode if it stays on the sci-fi side. If it goes fiction, maybe it be worth noting what made Nicky a boy and a cylon before someone yells "that's not sci-fi!" (The Science Note: women can reproduce women without men in genetic experiments of fertilization, but women do not carry/make the Y chromosome to reproduce a male.) (Podcast note: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:Frak_Party_Q_and_A#hybridnick]) [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:They did not state anything about human donors. They stated that Cylons could not reproduce with each other, and could not reproduce with humans unless there was love. Cally and Tyrol love each other, imperfect as their marriage might be, so Nicky was conceived like Hera. No reason he shouldn't have a Cylon Y chromosome. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::RDM has stated the the final five are fundamentally different than the others, so what is know about the significant seven may not apply. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, what is known about the signficant seven doesn't rule it out. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, we can say that Nicky is fundamentally different when compared to Hera. The plot just grows more from this episode about them and brings questions, but the difference can be noted on the Nicky or Hera page. I was going to add something to the article, but I felt it was better to wait another episode. Thanks -- [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 03:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::For now, we don't know of any fundamental differences between Nicky and Hera yet. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Inappropriate use of Point of Order? ==

According to Robert's Rules of Order, a Point of Order is raised if the rules of order have apparently been broken. In this case, rules don't seem to have been broken, and Lee is really just interrupting to bring up his own issues (which could be construed as out of order). The closest motion that I could find is a Request for Any Other Privilege, which he would then use to try to bring up a more pressing issue, but this is still an iffy case. [[User:Ctetc2007|Ctetc2007]] 10:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Standing-up at the table is a request to yield. The one who has the floor is the one who can decide to yield the floor. If Lee continued without the floor being yielded to him, then it would be out of order. Notice that Lee does ask for the floor to yield. The point of order is to get the answer to yield the floor and to quiet everybody else that does not have the floor. Roslin immediately tabled the issue that Lee brought up. Lee sits down, and the floor is returned. He could have requested an immediate call to vote to handle the issue, but typically it would have to be by some disastrous or emergency situation to call to vote on non-agenda items. Why didn't he make that case at that time? [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Interesting Comments about Orion Sighting ==
The [http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/992976.html post] might be worth reading. Didn't know about the [[w:Ophiuchus |thirteenth sign]] until now. Any astrophysicists on board to judge this info? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:This is a great little read (the link above). Even the bit about the Cylons of Greece (an aditional link once there). I was wondering, has anyone seen/made a super-speculative galactic map of where the fleet might be? especially now that with being able to pin point the rough neighbourhood the fleet is now in.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 12:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Monitoring Launch Tubes ==

The reason nobody notices the launch tubes being used is probably due to the Galactica's lack of automation. There's no central computer to track these things, and the over-worked state of Galactica's repair crew probably means that the logs that would track these things (assuming there's a counter at all) aren't being kept properly.

Of course, this doesn't explain why there wouldn't be guards.

— [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, at least they already established that nobody was paying attention to the launch tubes in last season's "[[Collaborators]]"... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poor Jammer. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

: This might be indeed a flaw by design, but one that they should have fixed after the first Cylon war. The Cylons boarded ships via airlocks and launch tubes and used them as weapon to vent the crew out of the ship. In such a situation the security team etc. should know where to look for the enemy. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, would YOU want to guard the launch tubes? 99% of the time you'd just be standing there in an empty control room (at least at night), not to mention the fact that since there are quite a few launch tubes, you'd be tying up a significant number of personnel doing so. It seems like it'd be easier in terms of manpower to have guards somewhere in the hangar deck (potentially in intersection of the hangar deck(s) and the interior of the ship). By guarding the choke points, you'd be covered against somebody coming from any of the launch tubes, and from the landing bay openings as well. Though obviously the biggest reason the launch tubes are untended are for dramatic purposes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Nobody said there had to be ''humans'' watching the launch tubes, you'd be 'watching' them electronically, just like building security monitors elevator movements. If they did that and logged all activity, they'd find out Cally's launch tube was spaced from the control room and know she didn't commit suicide. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, that Cally did not commit suicide is something that a good criminal investigator would find out anyway - Cally has to trigger the launch tube from inside by use this little key. This key should still be in the launch tube. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::True, but you know what happens when you put "machines" in charge of things... Closed circuit monitoring would of course be sensible. And if they wanted to get into all that, they could alter the logs and substitute in bogus footage, etc. When your conspiracy includes the Chief and the XO, there's not a lot of limits to what you could cover up. I guess they didn't want to get into that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think the Chief and the XO were in on this. And as to the key, wouldn't it be spaced too? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I meant more of the executions in Collaborators. As for the key, it'd probably be "locked" into place when turned to the activated position. That, or you'd be losing keys whenever you did that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Whenever you did what? Flushing a launch tube with yourself inside? How often does that happen? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::There are probably moving parts in the non-pressurized areas of the launch tube that need occasional maintenance. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I myself have decided to suspend disbelief on this particular issue. I find it fairly unbelievable that there isn't an automated system that would at least inform CIC that a "launch" had taken place. Also, this is a military ship on a war footing; I'm sure they have plenty of bored marines who could be patrolling the ship, especially sensitive areas like launch tubes and airlocks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 20:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well it kinda depends on how detailed the data is that arrives at CIC: they may know ''that'' the launch tube was flushed, but they may not be able to tell whether it was operated from the inside or the outside (which would be of little use outside murder investigations). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 20:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Taurus ==
Some observant individual has noticed that Taurus is visible in this Orion [http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taurusqv3.jpg screen cap] (Orion is still visible in the lower left), putting the Cylon fleet pretty close to Earth. Is this observation correct? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, that's just bull ;) -- [[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 20:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== Wired ==

''Wired'' credits the Battlestar Wiki for the photo they use for this blog, [http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/04/galacticas-thir.html Galactica's 'Ties That Bind' Is All Fraked Up].--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question about Nebula effects on the Callster ==

So this question was added to the questions section: ''Why did reaching the Ionian Nebula have such a negative effect on Cally (lack of sleep, depression)?''

The thing about this question is that it had nothing to do (directly) with the Ionian Nebula affecting Cally negatively... Galen Tyrol's the one that's been causing some of the problems since their marriage, as we've seen in "[[A Day in the Life]]", although the root problem is that they're both pretty incompatible, which came to a head pretty much after the revelation in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".

I'm bringing this up here because I removed the question earlier, but it was re-added, and instead of sparking an edit where the entire questions section was blanked (as was the case after I removed the question the first time), I figure I'd discuss it here first... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed. There is a time correlation obviously, but no causality. Unfortunately, these days some people are too quick to search for an outside explanation within the story and events, instead of looking at what the characters themselves go through. That just creates pointless implications. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Launch tube window ==

Has the reference to this been removed for a reason? I'm sure the article used to mention that there can't be a window in that location. (Did its illogical appearance really annoy anyone else as well?) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 10:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Still there. Last item in the Notes section. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Oops, my bad :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 12:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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== Number of Cylons ==

Sorry if this is already in the article (I couldn't see a reference to it) but I think there are an equal number of each Cylon model.

Spoilers for season 4, episode 2 follow:

Since there is a deadlock with the vote between the 7 Cylon models, we can infer that there are as many Ones, Fours, and Fives as there are Twos, Sixes, and Eights.

Either there are an equal number of the pro/anti-lobotomy Cylons models _just_ on the baseships concerned with the Raiders (since it would be unlikely for _all_ the Cylons to vote, but this implies that there is a 'rule' against, say, a Six trying to find an equivalent to Boomer on another baseship), or _all_ Cylons voted and there are an equal number the pro/anti models.

I think it's safe to infer that if there are equal numbers of pro/anti models, then there are equal numbers of each Cylon model on each baseship (this implies you can't have 'outside' voters), though I don't think it too much of a stretch to say there are an equal number of Cylon models.
[[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 10:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:That's not how the voting process works. First they vote within their models to determine the total vote for one model, then that vote is tallied with the votes of the other models. It's not that each individual ''copy'' has one vote towards the end result, but only towards the ''model''. The copies can only influence how their model votes in the final vote. Sort of like the US electoral college. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not sure I understand your explanation, and I'm a Limey so I don't understand US politics too well. In 'Six of One' a Cavil says that Boomer has "voted to reconfigure", so each copy has a vote to spend. Do you mean that each copies vote goes toward determining the model's consensus, rather than the decisions? So Boomer's vote would put the Eight's in a state of contention, so they have no vote since there isn't a consensus? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 12:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Humanoid Cylon/Archive4

2008-04-28T10:58:17Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Number of Cylons */ new section

Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 1

2008-04-28T10:35:23Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Launch tube window */ new section

Battlestar Wiki talk:Spoiler Policy

2008-01-23T21:33:58Z

FredTheDeadHead: New section: Spoilers in the examples

{{archive-header
| archivenumber = 01
| number = 1
| start = July 17th, 2005
| end = September 14th, 2005
| items = {{archive-item|01|Complaints and Concerns}} {{archive-item|01|Spoiler Warning}} {{archive-item|01|What is a spoiler?}} {{archive-item|01|Vote}} {{archive-item|01|When does this vote close?|end=Y}}
|}}
{{archive-header
| archivenumber = 02
| number = 2
| start = September 14th, 2005
| end = September 23rd, 2005
| items = {{archive-item|02|Compromise #1}} {{archive-item|02|Discussion|end=Y}}
|}}

__TOC__

==External Links==
Links to Wikipedia using the Wikipedia: interwiki namespace still show up inside spoiltext. Example

{{spoiltext|[[Wikipedia:Battlestar Galactica|Battlestar Galactica]] [http://www.google.com Google]}}

Fix: add this to the CSS:
td.spoiltext_box a.extiw {color: #000;}
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:29, 23 September 2005 (EDT)
:It is now fixed... a year later. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:32, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
::Shane.. fix the hover css Spoiler outside link code... [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:21, 1 January 2008 (CST)
::Fixed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:35, 1 January 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler Boxes" ==
:''moved from [[Nelana Cain]]''
The spoiler boxes have a serious flaw--you can't see the "this is a spoiler" line at the top when you're using the Monobook skin. It's too dark to read. I highlighted and ended up seeing the spoiler, and I didn't want to. Of course now I know what the box is and I won't highlight it anymore, but I would appreciate it if the box could be edited to be compatible with all the skins. Thanks. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 00:16, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
::I think oncer the "new" design is active, the CSS will be updated for a single skin and then that skin will be changed so CSS would be the primary way to color tables, instead of hardcoding values. The other skins joe should have deleted (as he did before the 1.6.x upgrade) to make sure we all worked from one skin when working on the site. So that's with the problem with the monoskin right now. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 01:15, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

==Ron D Moore personally addresses the recent spoilers issue==
:''Moved from [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad]]''

I was in a discussion with Ron's wife Terry on the messageboard in [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1791636&page=0&vc=1&PHPSESSID=11266ab308ea04f98580cf16eae24b66#Post1791636 this thread], when she then handed the keyboard over to Ron Moore himself and he posted the following messagee, about two minutes ago:

:I want to ask all of you, and KoenigRules in particular, to please refrain from posting detailed spoilers about our upcoming season. It's only April, and we're a long way from the premiere in October, and it's frankly dispiriting and depressing to all of us on the production team to see spoilers appearing this early. We're all working very hard to provide the audience with a unique experience and it takes a lot of the joy out of our process when we know that people have already judged the work before it's ready. This isn't about secrecy or having a NSA-like production, it's about letting the artisans and craftsmen on this show finish their work before it's displayed. Short descriptions of scenes and storylines aren't the same thing as watching an episode of the show and by putting this material out there for everyone to chew over months in advance, it really only allows people to make up their minds about a piece of work that is incomplete by any measure.

:I understand the desire to peek inside the tent. I've felt it myself about many projects from the Star Wars sequels to new episodes of Project Runway, and there's nothing juicier than getting the inside dope. However, there's a difference between that one on one insider knowledge and shared secret and posting it on the internet where it gets passed around literally the entire world or putting in on a radio show for all to hear.

:There's nothing I can do to stop this kind of thing from happening. When I was at Trek, we tried every known method of encoding scripts and plots and they always got out. The only thing I can do is appeal to your sense of decency and fair play and ask that you not spoil the larger fan community that cannot help but be aware of these things as they get massive distribution through the message boards. Self-restraint on the part of those in possession of inside information is the best way to prevent this from happening all through the Spring and Summer, so I appeal to you as fans of the show to help me keep the cloak over this piece of art until it's been polished and ready to be presented to you, the audience.

:I appreciate your consideration,
::Ronald D. Moore

In light of this, I think we should change our decision. I originally had the lukewarm idea that if other news sites like Gateworld and Galacticastation ran one of these stories, we might as well run it too, but only if they did it first. However, I have now completely rejected this idea: we shouldn't post anything more than "generic episode descriptions" which don't actually give away essential plot elements. At first I thought it pointless to try to stem the tide as Gatewold and GS might just report it anyway, but I now really think it is our duty to set precedent on the matter and not post spoilers that are this sensitive, if they have been leaked from anonymous sources. Granted, if Lucy Lawless herself spills the beans in an interview with a magazine that's between her and the production team; moreoever, if they wanted her to stop they could hold up her Screen Actors Guild confidentiality papers and give her a warning. But ''any'' support, even tacitly, of these spoilers, I don't think we can or should do anymore. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:16, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
: I think this pretty much sums this debate up. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:22, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
: Here's the point where I feel I must play devil's advocate, as it were: Ron D. Moore doesn't run Battlestar Wiki. I appreciate the fact that he doesn't want story lines and important plot points spilled out. I can understand that. However, as long as we have the appropriate warnings in place, I do not see the point in ''not'' posting the spoilers. We're really not in the business of censoring information, just because someone asks us to do so. Am I wrong? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:37, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
::You are not wrong. But I been pointing to send posting anonoymous soruces as a legit way for referreces is not a good idea. People who are still in Season 2 (UK) have no seen three Episode names for Season 3. We need to just be carefull, if we allow anonoymous soilers and spoilers alike, that we be carefull that they be totallt seperate. And seasons that have not offically started keep out the "Episode Data" block also. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:44, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Well I can understand why you're saying that Joe, but I've really got to differ on the matter. There's a difference in my mind between "an actor or crewman leaked this out, and if they wanted it to stop they could give them a warning" and "this person is anonymous, and thus is free from being punished by the production company for breach of contract or simply because they don't want people doing that". Lets see what everyone else thinks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:47, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
::I agree with Moore on this, as I did during our initial discussion of the spoiler policy many months ago. Nevertheless, this is a settled issue on Battlestar Wiki. Do we really want to re-open it? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:29, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Merv, your "stand" has changed four times and now this spans two pages so I am trying to "keep" the posted times right in my head. I think we need to really move these discussions to their own page so everything is together. Peter, I understand that this is a project of Citation and spolier poilcy, but this is becomeing to confusing on where everyone stands. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:50, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
::::It's very simple. The discussion on Citation Jihad is about whether we should allow anonymous sources. The discussion here is about whether we should revise the spoiler policy. The two topics may have originated with the same controversy, but they are not related, nor should they be confused. If The Merovingian wants us to revisit the horribly contested and partisan spoiler policy debate from last fall, this is the place he needs to propose it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:53, 26 April 2006 (CDT)

I admit it's a little confusing Shane: well, officially (as you can see above with the most recent thing): I do not think we should use anonymous spoilers information, because RDM implored everyone not to, and we're only aiding whoever the leak is; if they're afraid of revealing themselves because they think they're breaching a non-disclosure contract or something and thus doing something actually illegale, I don't think we should support that by reporting their information here. Further, it's not always right as it's based on early scripts. Well, that's where I stand on the subject, though I don't know how everyone else thinks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:39, 26 April 2006 (CDT)

:I agree that RDM request should override any other concerns for ethical reasons. It is analogous to insider-trading info. Remember the conversation between Apollo and Tigh about the black market. If we do it because everyone does, it doesn't make us right, just whole lot of people wrong. --[[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] April 26, 2006 21:40 EDT

:: I, myself, try not to read spoilers. Sometimes, I accidentally do while I'm editing a page or something, but I take that as my "fault" kind of, for editing that page. It happens and usually it's not a big show ruiner for me. I would not oppose re-opening this debate, but I don't know that we ''need'' to, either. My main concern about spoilers is that, even if they're from a citable, reliable source, they're often wrong (because they get changed before air-date or whatever). Also, I am kind of partial to the idea of doing as RDM asks because I respect him as a creator and he asked in a nice, mature, respectful (to us fans) way. I do, however, allow that a rational person could disagree. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 00:39, 2 May 2006 (CDT)

Hey, this is Commander Me. I would be willing to help translate the Spoiler Policy page into German. Just contact me at my user talk for more info. --Commander Me.
: check out http://www.battlestarwiki.org/de/w/Battlestar_Wiki:Spoiler_Richtlinien

== Questions Section ==

I seen recently a lot of spoiler info come into these sections in the form of {{tl|spoiltext}} for answeres, but with the [[BW:ES]] project, shouldn't we keep the real Answers, even in {{tl|spoiltext}} out until the Episode shows IF the spolier comes from a known episode? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:25, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
: Provided that the Spoiler Policy and Citation Jihad are adhered to, then the spoilers should be encased in {{tl|spoiltext}}, whether the spoiler is in the form of a question or an answer. Furthermore, we should probably go ahead and tack on the spoiler warning to the top of said page, provided that there are enough spoilers on that page to justify it. However, again, the policies need to be adhered to -- if the spoilers come from Joe Smoe and not an official source, then they should be eradicated with prejudice. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:10, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
::I don't think a spoiler header is necessary - that indicates that the ''entire contents'' of the tagged page are spoiler material. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:12, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
::Ditto. Unforentently, StrayCat0's contrib, in [[Exodus%2C_Part_I#Questions|Exodus, Part I]] brings this up. (Not singling out StraayCat, because it happened in previous seasons). No cite, so it fails that for right now, but in general, when we do mark these "Questions" answered, we usually go <nowiki>([[Episode Here|Answer)]])</nowiki>, and leave it like this. I am going to created {{tl|spoilli}} to work within numbered lists... {{tl|spoiltext}} ruins a lot of formating. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:19, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
::Actually, it can be read either way -- and after reading it, the connotation seems inconsistent to me, particularly the last sentence of the warning, so I've gone ahead and [[Template talk:Spoiler|proposed a change in wording]]. As for spoiltext, I look forward to a better version of it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:56, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

Will the Turkish translation of this article be visible on the main page? Or are we going to wait until we have our own tr.battlestarwiki.org domain? :) [[User:Redlinetheturk|Redlinetheturk]] 09:23, 12 November 2006 (CST)

== Spoilers in the examples ==

Should the example of using the spoiler tags really include a spoiler for those who possibly haven't seen that episode? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 15:33, 23 January 2008 (CST)

Talk:Fan fiction/Beyond the Red Line/Archive 1

2007-06-14T19:58:24Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Cylotron */

== FINALLY! ==

I've been waiting for this game for months. *Wills download to go faster*

Seriously, I'll be trying this demo and hope to report as to its quality later this week. I also noticed the BtRL folks [http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/links.html mention] us in their Links section, for which I [http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1857 thanked] them. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:58, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:+1 more reason why i'm pissed that the parts for my new computer are delayed. *snarls* --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:38, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::I've been playing it since the day it came out. It is fun! --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:13, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Yeah just finished the Demo Campaign myself....not bad for a fan made mod. The only criticism is - they should replace the text-to-speech with either a persons actual voice (ie, play a .wav) or just omit the speech, dunno about anyone else, but i found it to be distracting! -[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:21, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::::It's fun but it lags on my computer :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 23:52, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::I used to love playing Freespace2 on my old computer. Ran pretty well even on dialup lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:34, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

I agree that the text-to-speech should be fixed. I've only heard it a few times though: twice with "Please check your mission objectives" and once in a piece of wireless chatter. But since this is just a demo, I guess they'll fix it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:49, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
:As far as I know, that is supposed to be changed later, but the VA isn't completed yet. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:57, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

== Screenshots ==

Screenshots of the game during play would prolly be ultrahelpful. [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:59, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:Feel free to download it and add some pics yourself. I am currently unable to download the game. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:06, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

== Cylotron ==

The Cylotron is made up for BtRL. It's basically a ship used to train new pilots in the Pegasus training simulator, and it has lots of sensors to aid training. I think it looks an old Cylon raider. (The previous comments are subject to memory). Anyway, the usage in the article is correct if a little unclear :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 14:56, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:Ok. I suspected something like that. Just wanted to make sure that it isn't some weird typo :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:57, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::I'm glad to have helped :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 14:58, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Fan fiction/Beyond the Red Line/Archive 1

2007-06-14T19:56:08Z

FredTheDeadHead: Cylotron

Fan fiction/Beyond the Red Line

2007-06-14T19:47:30Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Available Ships */ Improved the Cylon Raider link

{{fandom}}

'''Beyond the Red Line''' is a stand-alone total conversion for the award-winning [[w:Freespace 2|Freespace 2]] released by Volition and Interplay for the PC. It is based on the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' series]].

On March 31, 2007, a [http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/downloads.html demo] was released that allowed players to play a tutorial, one mission and multiplayer.

==Game features==
* Powered by the revamped [[w:Freespace 2|Freespace 2]] engine
* Entirely stand-alone, Freespace 2 not required
* Accurately detailed high-resolution ship models
* High quality, originally engineered audio
* Authentic, original in-game soundtrack, in addition to pieces by [[Bear McCreary]] and [[Richard Gibbs]]
* Original characters and voice acting
* A three mission single player campaign depicting never-before-seen events, interwoven with and true to the series’ storyline
*Head online and go head-to-head with your friends—and foes—in intense multiplayer missions including Deathmatch, Capture the Flag, and others
* Exciting [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] combat with authentic weaponry and flight controls

==Available Ships==

Several ships from the Battlestar Galactica Re-Imagined Series are flyable in this game, including at this point the [[Viper Mark II]], [[Viper Mark VII]] and [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]], although several non-playable ships are also included, such as the Cylotron trainer and the [[Mining ship|Mining Ship]] seen in the television series. Coming in future releases of this game will be non-playable models of the [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] and [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]], as well as several more ships seen in the series.

==System Requirements==

===Minimum Recommended Specifications===

====Windows====

Computer: 100% DirectX 8.1 compatible computer 
Operating System: Windows® 98SE/ME/2000/XP 
CPU: Pentium® 1 GHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz processor 
Memory: 512 MB RAM 
Graphics Card: 64 MB NVIDIA® GeForce 3, ATI Radeon Hardware T&L card or other OpenGL compatible video card 
Sound Card: Windows® 98/2000/XP-compatible sound card 
Input Device: Windows® compatible mouse and keyboard 
DirectX®: DirectX® version 8.1 or higher 
OpenAL: OpenAL is a cross-platform 3D audio API appropriate for use with gaming applications and many other types of audio applications. 
Installation: 800 MB free HD space 

===Recommended System Specs===

====Windows====

Computer: 100% DirectX 8.1 compatible computer 
Operating System: Windows® 98SE/ME/2000/XP 
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ or equivalent Pentium 4 ® processor 
Memory: 1024mb RAM 
Graphics Card: 256 MB nVidia® GeForce 6 or equivalent ATI card 
Sound Card: Windows® 98/2000/XP-compatible sound card 
Input Device: Windows® compatible joystick 
DirectX®: DirectX® version 8.1 or higher 
OpenAL: OpenAL is a cross-platform 3D audio API appropriate for use with gaming applications and many other types of audio applications. 
Installation: 800 MB free HD space 

====Mac====

Operating System: Mac OS 10.4 
CPU: 933MHz minimum CPU, 1.2Ghz recommended, PPC or Intel 
Memory: 512 MB RAM minimum, 1 GB recommended 
Graphics Card: GeForce 3 or better, Radeon 9200 or better 
Input Device: Mouse and keyboard 
Installation: 750 MB free HD space 

====Linux====

Operating System: Linux x86 compatible 
CPU: Pentium® 1 GHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz processor 
Memory: 512 MB RAM, 1 GB recommended 
Graphics Card: 64 MB NVIDIA® GeForce 3 or ATI Radeon with closed source drivers, Mesa 6 or better with S3TC extension available for open source drivers 
Input Device: Mouse and keyboard 
Installation: 750 MB free HD space 

==External Links==
*[http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/ Official Website]
*[http://www.thecylonbase.com Squadron/Wing Portal for Cylons]

[[Category:Video Game]]

Battlestar Wiki talk:Quotes/Current Week

2007-04-15T13:36:58Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Grammar */

Good idea for a page, I like it :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:23, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:Ditto. Allows me to link them up until I go silly. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:11, 19 December 2006 (CST)
: Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:52, 19 December 2006 (CST)

== Grammar ==

What happened to spelling and grammar? Some of those quotes are poorly typed up.. "your" instead of "you're"?! [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 06:34, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

: You're welcome to correct them yourself. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:44, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
:: I corrected the "you're", but I wasn't sure on the puncuation and grammar of the rest :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 08:36, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

Quotes:04 15

2007-04-14T14:53:40Z

FredTheDeadHead:

'''Doctor [[Cottle]]''' - Your doctor back on Caprica was right, its to damn late to operate. The cancer is to far in advance all we can do is now is try shrinking the tumor with gamma treatments and follow that up with IV cis-Doloxan. Did he explain to you the side effects of Doloxan? 
'''President [[Laura Roslin]]''' - Hair loss, nausea, muscle degeneration. I watched my mother endure two years of Doloxan before she died. I would like to explore alternate treatments. 
'''Cottle''' - Prayer? 
'''Roslin''' - Witty. Have you heard of [[Chamalla]] extract? 
'''Cottle''' - Oh, Gods you're one of those. 
'''Roslin''' - What if it works? 
'''Cottle''' - All evidence on Chamalla is anecdotal. It's a bunch of loose talk and false hope. 
'''Roslin''' - I take that as a yes. 
'''Cottle''' - All right. I'll put out a med request to the civilian fleet maybe theres some wide eyed dreamer out there with a secret horde of Chamalla extract in their luggage...And for what its worth I would seriously consider prayer. 
-- (''[[Act of Contrition]]'')

Battlestar Wiki talk:Quotes/Current Week

2007-04-14T11:34:23Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Grammar */

Battlestar Wiki talk:Quotes/Current Week

2007-04-14T11:32:10Z

FredTheDeadHead: Grammar

Talk:Crossroads, Part II/Archive1

2007-03-27T19:35:52Z

FredTheDeadHead: Assumed to be Cylons?

== Promo Pics ==
Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000aaqbh here]. Hard believe that's the last for Season 3. However, they may release a few more for this episode. At least there's the 2-hr movie between seasons. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:03, 27 February 2007 (CST)

That promo pic of Six, Baltar, and Hera appears to be shot in the "Final Five" room. Anyone else notice this? [[User:Paulmooreparks|Paulmooreparks]] 19:57, 28 February 2007 (CST)

: Yes, indeed I did. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:02, 28 February 2007 (CST)

::Baltar's been having visions of Six and Hera in the opera house since season 1, so it's not necessarily connected to the Final Five. Since this episode will reveal 1 or 4 of the Final Five depending on which interview you go by, there's a pretty good chance that it relates to them as well. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:16, 28 February 2007 (CST)

:::Am I completely off-base in thinking that that's Virtual Baltar alongside Virtual Six? Because the other photos of that episode show the "real" Baltar still quite disheveled with a thick beard while that Baltar is clean-shaven, not unlike Caprica's Baltar. Didn't Ron Moore say something about the two alter-egos being key figures in the last episodes of the season? --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:50, 3 March 2007 (CST)

::::Not really "off base", in fact I think that's the most popular theory in general. So unless we're all off base.....which is admitedly possible :P --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:37, 3 March 2007 (CST)

:::::If they are able to interact with eachother it would have significant implications regarding their nature. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:50, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::::::The virtual Baltar normally wears the unique pinstripe suit from the Miniseries, which I don't see here. I do believe this is a visualization and that is Virtual Six, for the Opera House doesn't exist. If the two alter-egos do somehow directly interact, some Serious Shit will ensure, but damned if I can really glean what. This is as big of a season stumper as season 2's cliffhanger. And, no, Kara Thrace will NOT be one of the Five. But it may be, in my guess, one of these three, although they don't realize it: Dualla, Tigh, or Gaeta. I still hold exception to the fact that what Three saw may be the five priests of the Temple of Five, who just so happen to have incarnations in the current timeline. (Note the monkey that exited my anus and is waving at you). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Predictions==
Well, it's early, and I don't care to step on Slander's toes, but I have forseen an event in Crossroads, Part II. The top 5 American Idol contestants cameo as... '''THE FINAL FIVE!''' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:06, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
*I'd like to make a motion that all Predictions in Talk pages be deleted as they are assinine and serve no other purpose than to promote the person making the prediction. Predictions should be in Forums and chatrooms or discussion groups, not here.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:29, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
**Dude... they're friggin' jokes. No need to be so uptight. You're reminding me of Merv. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:07, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
*** Motion denied. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 12:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

OK. The purpose of a talk page is for ''brief'' discussions and questions about the article. Generally, the humorous "predictions" in other talk pages have not detracted from the talk page's purpose or grown in size, and honestly have given me a chuckle, although my feelings on the matter aren't the sole vote about it. Provided that we don't get into numerous predictions from many users to the talk page in some way, I don't see a problem with it at this time. If there's still a problem about it, a silly page could have a bulleted series of such humor if approved by consensus (although I doubt this would work, [[BW:NOT|we're not a forum]]). Sometimes, predictions are fun ''and'' on-topic: See [[Talk:Exodus, Part II]] where I made a good guess. Now, what's considered "funny" is very subjective. I don't think BB's jest is nearly as humorous as, say, the shining white Final Five being revealed as the ''Jackson Five'' or something. Jokes are OK. If it's a bad one, ignore the poster. If a talk page gets too long, ask an admin to moderate if you can't get others to end a pointless or irrelevant topic. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:Damn I should've thought of the Jackson Five... --20:10, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/Slanderpanic/1tito.jpg Tito rules!] On a more serious note, if people object to my predictions, I'll stop doing them. Honestly, this sort of in-joke is inevitable when an Internet community develops. In my opinion, it's healthy for us to not take things ''too'' seriously, or we turn into a bunch of elitists. (If anyone in the history of anything has ever needed a collective wedgie, it's Wikipedia's editing community.) Anyway, as there are currently two "Predictions" topics on this Talk page, I think I'll take the rest of the year off, until it comes time to speculate about the DVD-movie and season four. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 14:19, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

==the commercial==

hey the commercial has anders voice syaing "yeah we're cylons" WTF --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 21:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378
:I don't know whose voice it is, but the line is definitely "It's true, we're Cylons". -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:12, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:At first, I thought it was Anders speaking, just because his face appeared at the same moment. {{spoilli|On subsequent viewing, I think it's...drum roll...Chief Tyrol!}} --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 12:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::Read the thing linked below. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

==Predictions-part 2==

I was surfing on the internet, trying to find some spoilers (lol) for the 3rd season finale, and came across this baby: http://www.thetvremote.com/battlestar-galactica-season-finale-spoilers/ (huge spoilers, so don t go there if u don t wanna read em). So, the text reveals who are the 4 of the final 5. As we already know, without the websites help, some of the final five are living and working in the colonial fleet. The 4 that are in question have a past, and we even saw a few times their memories, and we know that they lived in the colonies for quite some time. That being said, the website isn’t really convincing. But then, we know that the final five are special. We don t know what they are, we could suppose that they are more than the other cylon models, much more. We could even think that they are some sort of gods, now that too being said, I can t help but to think that those final 5, being special could have been planted in the colonies before the attacks of the miniseries. There is also a thing about Starbuck and a thing about finding earth on the website. I don t know what are their sources but the text seems very interesting and gives some very interesting ideas. {{unsigned|DedMed}}

:Many of the spoilers fit with what occurred in "Crossroads, Part II," but it brings up many new questions, too. If true, the information completely wrecks or substantially modifies what we thought Cylons were and when they came about. It should be an interesting episode, to say the least. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

::HOLY FRAKKIN FRAK! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:::The spoilers from part 1 were correct, adding some credibility. The really shocking part is that one of the alledged final five was around during the Cylon War (yes, you heard it right, the [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] is a Cylon, I'm surprised no one made the connection when we've known that she has at least a dozen copies since the miniseries :D). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:27, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

::I kind of wish I hadn't read them, but I couldn't help myself. Goddamit! --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 12:26, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Goddamnit is exactly the word. ''Goddamnit!'' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:03, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

I took my comments about the spoliers out... but just so you know. if that link is true... and it's implied in the video teaser for this episode. I'm starting to see the show in shark infested waters. But I imagine everything is not what it seems. Especially with my homedog Col. Tigh. If he really is (spolier)... then I'm gonna start to lose interest in BSG for real. But honestly I think that is all a "misunderstanding" or perhaps some link to the final five... who I insist are NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 19:58, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorry I can't resist posting again. Ok, the final Five, as I stated are not Cylons but are a third faction, some ancient group probably five prophets who orchestrated all of this. It's the only way I can deal with this: I will not be happy if certain persons are in actuality certain entities. Especially people who have been around too long, who lived before the first cylon attack. Sigh... I guess the Caprica TV show will possibly delve into it... but dammit, that show better be frakking good. This show is going too far into paranormal and starting to suffer from hollywood interference. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 20:23, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
:Dude... They're kinda definitionally cylons. They say there're 12 models. We've seen 7. There are 5 more. The Final Five. Done and done. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:28, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

No offense, but I do believe we have enough reason to totally disregard that conclusion. Firstly, and might I add, perfectly timed, the main page has a link to "Who is a cylon", with a website, blog, and a nice canon explanation of who is and likely is not a Cylon. Saul Tigh... Whom I call "The Tigh Dog"... but who is known also as "The Tigh Fighter" (YES!) can't possibly BE a cylon. And why? Just as I stated, he's been known by Adama for too long (at least prior to the FIRST war). Second, this leads to my speculation from the talk on Crossroads Part 1... Even if these guys are the Final Five... they still aren't cylons. The Final Five are not Cylons. That's what I have been suspecting ever since the Oracle gave prophecy to Biers... ever since The Hybrid gave prophecy to Baltar. That's when I remembered Shelly from "Six Degrees of Seperation". Tigh is so not a cylon. If Tigh is a cylon... I mean really a cylon... this show has jumped the shark. Yes I'm sure they THINK they are Cylons, just like the Cylons THINK the final five are Cylons. But Tigh is not a Cylon. As far as the Final five go, maybe he is, maybe not. The Final Five are perhaps a third... NON CYLON... faction, closely related to the oracles, the prophecies, and what not. Possibly some disgruntled 13th tribe members that wanted to get revenge... who knows... but NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:04, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
:*sigh* Twelve Cylon Models. 7 have been seen. Five not. The Final Five. THE FINAL FIVE UNREVEALED CYLONS!!! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:07, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I'm with you, BB... Final five will be revealed Sunday. Can't wait to see who, though I already suspect at least four of 'em. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:18, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
::: 4 of 5, and then it'll be the... hmm... damn... can't think of a word starting with O to go with One... --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:58, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Only? Obfuscated? Omega? As for the Tigh rumor, it's plausible that humanoid Cylons date back to the war (they could've discovered a 2000 year old data archive, developed the technology themselves with a Cylon-constructed supercomputer). The term "Cylon" hasn't really been defined, if "Cylon" just means "artificial humanoid" or "self-aware artificial life form" then the Final Five could predate the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] and still be Cylons. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:16, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Yeah! The Only One! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:38, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Aw, come on guys. Firstly, you're buying into the notion that the Cylons are nearly omniscent. Isn't it probable that the Cylons themselves have been mislead? In addition, this stuff about Cylon models being created thousands of years ago makes no sense. There are only 12 models they know of. The encephalitus disease that knocked out a whole basestar of Cylons should debunk that long shot. If we are going to split hairs on what a Cylon is... then we need to reconsider who created them in the first place. I believe the 13th tribe left a faction, most likely the priesthood, behind. That priesthood wanted to fulfill some destiny or resolve some unresolved issue in the distant future and they were the invisible hand behind the first cylon war and the cause behind the Cylon visions (projections), the cylon rebirthing, and other spriritual technologies the Cylons have. In addition I believe the final five are actually the original five prophets that the Cylons mistakenly believe are "cylons". Even if I am wrong about that, to simply dismiss Tigh as a Cylon for the reasons above makes no sense. I bet during the fourth season the so called "revelation" that Tigh, Anders, and the others being cylons will turn out to be a Cylon (or Prophetic) hoax. And this... is where I think Six Degrees of Seperation will play a role. "What happened to Shelly"? She never really left, she has been manipulating things on the ship. It's a long shot, but I'm going to wait it out and see. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:34, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Here is my theory on the whole "Tigh is a Cylon" thing, Tigh (and the others) are NOT the Final Five Cylons (they will initally think that they are but are mistaken). They will discover that they are descendants of the Final Five models who intermarried with humans back on Kobol and that the "Final Five" were the first cylons who were created by "the Jealous God" (who is also the God worshiped by The Seven we have seen so far). Which will still leave room for Starbuck to be one of the Final Five. I have to admit that a lot of this is comming just from instinct and my imagination but it would make a lot more sense than Tigh being a Cylon since from what we have already heard that the Cylons are immortal (and is safe to assume that they DO NOT AGE, which Tigh would have done since the First Cylon War 40 years ago). [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 22:05, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

:: EXACTLY! See? Someone else understands what I have been trying to say, although I don't think the writers will put the jealous god angle in that way (but maybe they will). But I agree almost entiely with what you are saying. I just think the final five are some leftovers of the 13th tribe... Wait. I just realized something. The 13th tribe left and there was some war between the "gods" right? What if, the 13th tribe didn't leave on good terms with the other 12? Now if we can fit the Shelly angle into this, I will feel much better. Six degrees still hangs like a disowned child. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:54, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

:Why is it safe to assume that the humanoid Cylons do not age? Their physiology is close enough to that of regular humans to allow crossbreeding. Old age wouldn't be a problem, as they could just get resurrected in younger, more recently glown replacement bodies when they die of old age. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:44, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Maybe a growing and aging body function interfers with the ressurrection ability. Exact copies, thus perfectly aligned brainwave patterns to reinsert into the new body. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:56, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:Who says they have brainwaves? [[Silica pathways]], remember? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 00:32, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::So Tigh can't be a Cylon because Cylons don't age, Cylons don't age because ageing would interfere with the resurrection process, and we know that ageing would interfere with the resurrection process because there needs to be some reason for the Cylons not to age? This is a clear circular logic fallacy. There is '''no canonical evidence''' which rules the possibility of Cylons ageing. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:43, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Point taken, but it would seem strange that the Cylons would neglect ageing when they went about making themselves into an IMPROVED version of Human. It would be an inconveinence for a cylon to be dying of old age and ressurecting in what would be (from their point of view) a constant stream for all time. Why is the idea that they found a way around that so strange to you? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::All I'm saying is that there is currently no evidence for or against Cylon ageing, no evidence about whether or not Cylons have the technology for eternal youth and no conclusive proof that they would or would not use such technology if they had it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:05, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Agreed. To be honest, I feel the Cylons ''have'' to age, though it may be slower than your normal human. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:20, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::Slowed ageing would explain why [[Hera Agathon]] doesn't seem to walk or talk even though she's about two years old now (although she could be walking and talking off-screen). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::::But to me it just doesn't seem to fit for something that is machine in origin to age, it throws the aesthetics off drastically. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 15:10, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::::But they're no longer ''mechanical'' machines. They are more biological. Upon becoming human, which they effectively are, they have demonstrated becoming susceptible to a disease. Thus, with all that, they simply ''have'' to age, as any biologist worth their salt would tell you. The question of how quickly they age is another matter. (Which, as Gordon Ecker pointed out, is a very good reason why Hera hasn't aged so much as she should have. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== Runtime ==

Anyone care to adjust the runtime due to the fact that this episode came out only 2 minutes longer as opposed to the reported 5? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 01:53, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Podcast ==

Is it just me, or is there no podcast? Or did SciFi update it this morning and I just haven't checked yet? --[[User:Starsmore|Starsmore]] 12:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Assumed to be Cylons? ==

Why is it assumed that Tyrol, Tigh, Foster and Anders are the final five (well, most of the final five)? Ok, so they _suspect_ that they are, but there's nothing concrete in my opinion. That's them simply rationalising why they all met.
It sounds a lot more of a lame idea now I've written it down, but there it is. [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 14:35, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:The Son Also Rises/Archive 1

2007-03-13T09:37:53Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* Lampkin's "kleptomania" */

== Ick..Not a "Trial" Cliffhanger?! ==

I was hoping for a little action cliffhanger, a'la ''Star Trek: Next Generation'''s "Best of Both Worlds, Part I." But I suspect we're getting "The Trial of Gaius Baltar." The title of this ep suggests that this is a Lee Adama story, but the curious Q&A with Katee Sackhoff a few weeks ago might indicate something else...I just don't know. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:39, 20 December 2006 (CST)
:Spence, what interview are you referring to and what did Katee say that makes you so curious?--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 08:15, 20 December 2006 (CST)
::See if you can glean something about Sackhoff and episode 16 [http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=starbase here]. I was at this SF convention, where she noted her filming ended with episode 16 for the season, I believe. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:57, 20 December 2006 (CST)

==Promo Pics==

Are up [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a8e4s here]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:25, 10 February 2007 (CST)

:I'm more curious of the updated Maelstrom pics. There's one where Starbuck is with someone who appears to be a sister or an oracle. Uh-oh. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:23, 10 February 2007 (CST)

:: The info with the photo says it is an oracle: Georgia Craig as Oracle Brenn. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:20, 10 February 2007 (CST)

Holy Frak! It's [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000yhy12/g288 Agent Smith]! --[[User:Webbie|Webbie]] 21:38, 12 February 2007 (CST)

:He reminds me of David Hewlett, Elton John and the Blues Brothers, although he does look a lot like Agent Smith from the neck up. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:10, 12 February 2007 (CST)

== Episode Description ==

Since I can't edit the page, here is the episode descrip for The Son Also Rises from Tvguide.com

"Lee is ordered to protect Baltar's lawyer, Romo Lampkin (Mark Sheppard), after Baltar's first lawyer dies in what is suspected to be an act of sabotage; bombings cause the crew to examine theories about the culprits." {{unsigned|LOSDucard}}

== Predictions? ==

The ol' [[DRADIS|crystal ball]]'s coming in pretty fuzzy this week, everybody. Shame, too. I got such good reception last week. Anyway, here we go!
*The Adamas mourn Starbuck. This is going to be a recurring theme for the rest of the season. Not that the season has long to go.
*Anders is seen at Kara's memorial, likely for the last time this season.
*Lee and Dee are having problems again. Lt. Anastasia Adama is jealous of the depth of Lee's feelings for Kara, but she also empathizes for her husband's pain. She's conflicted by these emotions, but ultimately decides to support him.
*We learn that Lee has been studying his grandfather's law books in what little free time he has.
*I have a feeling we'll be seeing a little of Caprica Six this episode, but she, Phantom Six, and Athena are likely the only Cylons (or Cylon-appearing angels) we see this episode. I honestly doubt we'll see the Cylons again until the end of the finale. Like I said in earlier predictions, I think that boxing the Threes had a major effect on the Cylon in general and it's taking them time to adjust.
*Hot Dog gets promoted to Viper training officer. Like [[User:Talos|Talos]] said, he's the best of what's left.
*We see Baltar's lawyer for the first time: Galvatron!
That's all I've got for this week, folks. See you at ''The Crossroads!'' --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 15:08, 9 March 2007 (CST)
==Social dissent is not the same as terrorism==

I don't agree with this in the analysis portion of the page:

"Cally Tyrol correctly states that the Cylons wouldn't need to even fire one shot because they may find the Fleet had torn itself apart because of humanity's tendency towards self-destruction. However, it is also clear that she has not realized that she and the many workers are just as much apart of the problems when they essentially risked the existence of the Feet with their work strikes, the refusal of refining tylium , and disobedience toward military orders (Dirty Hands)."

As long as the strikes remained non violent killing someone's defense attorney and trying to kill others is not the same as striking for one's rights. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 12:20, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Never said it was terrorism. I just took issue with Cally's little speech about how the fleet could tear itself apart because of Baltar and that the Cylons wouldn't even need to take a shot. It eventually led to her prejudice against Cylons, and in particular, Athena. I just thought it was pretty hypocritical of Cally because the events of Dirty Jobs highlighted something that Adama would never tolerate, military personnel taking part in a civil strike. For Adama, and his seriousness of having Cally be executed for treason, the strike, the lack of fuel, and disobeying direct orders are all up there.

Either case, could reword that section, but the main point I was trying to get across was the irony and the hypocrisy of listening to Cally talk about how the fleet is tearing itself apart when she and others have participated in it as well. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 12:27, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

==Lampkin's "kleptomania"==
The article in its current forum is arguably contradicting itself in describing Lampkin's thefts as both kleptomaniacal and intentionally manipulative behaviour. According to Wikipedia, kleptomania is "an inability or great difficultly in resisting impulses of stealing" and describes this as compulsive or uncontrolled behaviour. But, as is noted in a number of places in this article, Lampkin's actions are deliberately manipulative and highly controlled, rather than simply compulsive. He's carefully chosen the stolen objects to produce specific results. So in my view, these two explanations for his thefts are mutually exclusive, and what's seen on screen lends more support to the idea that he steals consciously and deliberately for specific reasons, rather than due to kleptomania. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? --[[User:Steve|Steve]] 01:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:Could he be justifing his kleptomania (with the reasons he explained to Apollo) after he's stolen them? So he'd steal something because of kleptomania, but then he can talk his way out of it. His theft of Kelly's doodle-bob and Adama's jacket button didn't seem to have any reason behind them, but he said he did show restraint regarding Apollo's picture of Starbuck. [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 04:37, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Flight pod/Archive 1

2007-03-04T20:04:24Z

FredTheDeadHead: /* "Since Galactica's landing bays don't seem to use artificial gravity.." */

== The Starboard Pod's Hangar Deck ==

The flight-unusable hangar deck of the starboard flight pod was first used as the makeshift morgue for those killed in the nuclear strike aftereffects at the start of the Mini-Series. They couldn't be the regular hangar deck for the morgue--they're too busy retrieving the remains of two squadrons of Vipers at the time, and to have the bodies there would be cramped AND gross.

The starboard hangar is also in use at the end of the mini-series and seems to be used as an assembly area often (perhaps in "[[Home, Part II]]" as well. Unlike its port side, the starboard hangar deck is practically empty. Funerals were held here, probably in "[[Act of Contrition]]", and the bodies were buried in space through one of the launch tubes or Viper retrieval area of some kind as shown in that scene. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:49, 13 December 2005 (EST)

:Might be worth someone adding a section on Camp Oil Slick maybe? As a related but non-canon note, wouldn't it make more sense to put this flight pod into operational service now that Galactica has Pegasus' complement of Vipers? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 02:20, 20 November 2006 (CST)

== A Measure of Salvation ==

Apollo mentions landing in the starboard pod in AMoS. On the Ragnar Anchorage forum someone claims that Raptors ''took off'' from it. But as far as I can see it, the only take off seen is around 35:25 and uses what looks like the port pod (cool shot btw). Can anyone confirm/deny that?

In any case I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from that. If it's indeed in an VFX shot, it could still be an error, but even the dialogue piece could be an error. It could be rationalized by saying that they wanted to land in an isolated place, as Cottle demanded a quarantine. Nearly all other evidence points to the hangar decks being relatively deserted, used for storage and for refugee camps (the pod is huge! Those aren't mutually exclusive) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:47, 5 February 2007 (CST)

== "Since Galactica's landing bays don't seem to use artificial gravity.." ==

Surely Galactica's pods must use artificial gravity. It wouldn't be much use as a musum otherwise? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 11:57, 4 March 2007 (CST)
:Well, that's a point, but that might have been installed later. In the Miniseries, there are spacesuited figures floating around in zero-g inside the active flightpod. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:26, 4 March 2007 (CST)
:When does that happen? Could I have a rough timestamp please? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 14:04, 4 March 2007 (CST)

Talk:Flight pod/Archive 1

2007-03-04T17:57:07Z

FredTheDeadHead: "Since Galactica's landing bays don't seem to use artificial gravity.."