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Talk:Six of One/Archive 1

2008-04-15T11:07:25Z

FrakkinToasterLover:

== Casting Head Baltar?!? ==
[http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr] Why would they be casting "Head Baltar"? The only reason I can think of is that James Callis has finally grown so much facial hair he can't just shave and regrow as he used to. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:53, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
:That's probably why. I have a feeling that Baltar is going to be a bit of a "religious" personage, he'll probably be sporting quite the growth. See [[Beard of Organized Labor]] for a bit of beard background. :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
:Age is also a possibility, but I'll wait until more information is known, before I engage in speculation about this. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, virtual Baltar could appear to Six as a child or an old man. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:00, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

They probably casted a stand in. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

== Seven of Nine ==

It seems like the name for this episode "Six of One" is a reference to the Star Trek: Voyager character '''Seven of Nine''' (another TV show that RMD had a hand in). On a personal note: I think that the name "Six of One" is about how Caprica Six will find true individuality, outside of the Cylon "Collective", or at least acceptance among the Galactica crew (like Athena). Any thoughts? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:20, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
:As noted on the page, the full idiom is "Six of one, half dozen of the other". The Cylons don't have that much similarities with the Borg and limited shared memories at most. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:14, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
:: True but it could also be an "easter egg" for the fans (like me) that have way to much time on their hands. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 01:35, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
:::There's also six known Cylons in the colonial fleet, and six unboxed Cylon models in the Cylon fleet. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:00, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
::::What if they add a 13th Cylon to the mix? Just to throw us even more off than the whole "Saul is a Cylon". [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 21:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::There isn't any reason why there ''can't'' be another recently created Cylon model, but that falls under [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]] rather than plausible speculation. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:45, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::I think its obviously based from the saying "Six of one, half dozen of the other". I think that fitting a Trek reference into this is stretching it a bit, I don't think its got anything to do with 7 of 9. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:12, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

== [[w:The Prisoner|Prisoner]] reference? ==

Given that Six's [[w:Number Six (The Prisoner)|name]] is inspired by that very show, it seems it wouldn't be wholly off to say this might well be another reference. Anyone agree or disagree? [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 23:35, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
* I'd be inclined to agree, but it might be best to leave it out unless the screenwriters say it was a reference, or the aired episode has more obvious Prisoner references (people saying "be seeing you", killer balloons, etc.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] [[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]] 11:56, 17 February 2008 (CST)

== six of (the) one ==

If Baltar is really "the chosen one", ''Six Of One'' may be referring to his relationship and/or visions of Caprica Six. {{unsigned|Xlynx}}

== The Big Dee ==

Was that "getting the house" line from Lee an indication of a more permanent split between him and Dee? Or am I reading too much into it? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:Not sure, but the split seems kinda permanent now. And going back to Season 3, Dee entered the marriage fully aware that it might not last long, but is happy to be in it while it does. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:From the comments made in this episode, the split seems permanent. (Thank the Gods!) It is interesting that while Lee didn't have the balls to terminate the relationship, she did... But she knew that the relationship would've ended someday, so she was prepared for that possibility. I really, truthfully hope this means we'll get to see less of her this season, but given some of the comments about Dee having a "dark side" that'll come out this year, I sadly doubt it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::I prefer that he made some effort to keep their relationship going in "Taking a Break...". Sure, Dualla is right, and the marriage was never a thing that could last for a long time, but Adama just dropping her when it isn't convenient anymore isn't any way to show "balls". This way he he shows some commitment, despite sleeping around with Thrace, and the whole thing ended on better terms. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Questions ==

A few of the entries in the questions section seem dubious.
:"Why do the Raiders not want to destroy the Final Five, yet Number Ones, Fours and Fives do?"
IMO the answer is that Raiders don't have the intelligence or motivation to overcome their instincts / programming not to harm Cylons.
:"Will Tory Foster fall under Baltar's spell?"
She was crying in shame and disgust, so I don't consider this plausible.
:"Why was Foster crying during intercourse with Baltar?"
I think this question should be removed. In act 1, when Tigh suggested that Tori seduce Baltar, Tori was disgusted by the prospect, however she decided to go thorugh with the plan despite her revulsion. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:Having seen her with Anders, we definitely know the "always cries" line was bogus. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:I agree about the tears, but she seems to overcome that initial revulsion a bit, and even get into it at the end. Yes, the tears are probably from her disgust at the start, but that really changes and she even urges Baltar to continue and kisses him, instead of just leaving. And during the conversation, she seems to be captivated a bit by Baltar talking about music, before she leaves. The questions should be replaced by an analysis item or two exploring that. That's really more helpful and interesting than superficial questions. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::I've changed the first question, because the Ones, Fours, and Fives don't say that they want to destroy the Final Five. The others seem fair, as Tory seemed to be listening to Baltar. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::If "fall under Baltar's spell" means "become another Baltar groupie", I think it's out of the question. If "fall under Baltar's spell" means "gradually become sympathetic to Baltar", it's plausible, but I think it should be rephrased. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'll have to disagree, Gordon. There's more to Tory's crying than simple revulsion, although that's the feeling she had initially when Tigh proposed that she get close to Baltar. However with his mesmerizing bravo sierra about "music", his belief that Cylons are people, and that she doesn't quite know what to make of her "Cylon-ness", I have a feeling that she'll enter his cult, particularly since Roslin has one foot in the grave. Should be interesting how everything goes down, and I think we'll see more the next episode, given that Tory does something seriously bad ass for once. Bye, bye [[Cally|bitch]]. :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Joe's spot on. Baltar's never had any problems with the ladies, especially Cylon ladies. Also, Joe's analysis of the crying is right on (This is referenced in Grey's Anatomy, the TV show, of all places. I suppose I must admit I watch it; Chler Leigh is hot, and it also makes a great common ground conversation point for older women :) ) ... where was I? Yeah, anyway. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 03:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think the real question is why she decided to have sex with him. As for "falling under his spell", I think she could fall in with his cult, but I don't think she's capable of idolizing him like they do. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::It wouldn't surprise me if she pulled some form of [[Gina]] on the cult. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::"Pull a Gina" like she did with [[Demand Peace]] or "pull a Gina" like she did with the [[Cloud 9]]? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Either one. Emotionally, Tory is in just the same place as Gina... except how they got there differed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::The latter possibility ''seems'' a bit extreme at first glance, but everyone he sleeps with seems to go crazy, die or both soon after, so the [[w:Discworld (world)#The power of belief|law of narrative causality]] says she's a ticking time bomb, hopefully she won't be able to get her hands on any warheads. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
First of all, Tigh didn't suggest that she sleeps with Baltar. This should be corrected in the article. He said "You don't have to get on your back for him". She could have just flirted and strung him along until she found if he knows something.
Second, she really didn't have to sleep with Baltar, especially since he was talking anyway, without much prompting from her. And what does she do after his melody speech? Instead of staying and trying to find out more, she runs away, visibly shaken by what he said. And then she jumps in bed with him right afterwards?! If she were that repulsed by the idea of sleeping with him, why did she do it? Sorry, guys, but since their conversation, she didn't seem repusled by him, this is only your wishful thinking, I'm afraid. She was clearly touched by his words... it looks to me like Baltar might have just converted her, or at least started to, to monotheism...she may be the first of the Four to accept her Cylon nature.
Third, how is Tory "in the same place" as Gina?! Please explain! I don't see any similarity?!
[[User:FrakkinToasterLover|FrakkinToasterLover]]

I think the most dubious question is what will happen to the fleet's sewage. Does nobody else think this is just pathetic? {{unsigned|MiAd}}
:Just like many of the overly technical and trivial questions. But we can hardly go around and remove everything we don't like, so only the ''really'' stupid stuff gets removed. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, we know that ''Galactica'' is capable of nearly 100% water replenishment. One would assume that the Bucket's own waste management system supplements that system... The ones that'd really need this ship are the other civvie ships, which aren't capable of long-term sewage. Further, the ship is reported to be submarine like, and thus small... which makes it easily expendable, since it doesn't have the living space to support the Fleet's citizens.
:: Besides, they could always rip a page or three from the Empire's handbook and just jettison their junk before they jump to lightspeed. :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The question "Is the Eight dancing in front of Cavil Sharon Valerii? Does this signify anything?" is unimportant/answered. A dancing/training Eight appeared in "[[Torn]]" already, and the reason why Cavil watches is that she is nude. Baltar in "Torn" was more polite ;-) --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 21:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:Given the later developments of the episode, the logical inference is that we're seeing a Cavil petitioning Boomer for her vote. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::That and they may have a relationship. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::That's completely absurd. We know that Eights are inclined to non-sexualized nudity ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Torn]], and have absolutely no other reason to make such an inference. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

:This one: "With the Demetrius leaving under Starbuck's command, how will the Fleet's sewage be dealt with?"... The main question is, do we really care? What are the chances the writers are going to devote screentime to the dramatic tensions of sewage processing? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::True, of course, but by the same logic we would have to remove about half the questions in most articles, because they will never be addressed or answered either. While not a small number of questions are indeed trivial and even groan inducing, there are some good rhetorical ones that just serve to get one to think about something. (not including this one :p) However, in general, I'm not a fan of how the question section is often used to ask about seemingly most minor and irrelevant things. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

== "Admiral Atheus"? ==

I could've sworn she said "Admiral Atheist", not "Atheus". Anyone care to confirm? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 20:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:Mhhh, could be, although I can't really hear the "t" at the end. "Atheus" would fit too, but despite the ancient Greek influences in the show, it's a very obscure reference. So "atheist" is more logical. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:: That's what I was thinking. Frankly, I feel she just didn't enunciate when she was speaking... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, it I misread something. "Atheus" is not a name, but it's simply greek for "atheist". Probably even the root of the modern word. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Helo might not be going with Thrace on the ''Demetrius'' ==

From the dialogue:
:Adama: Helo handpicked a crew for you. I'm giving you a ship. Hope you can stand the smell.
:Agathon: We liberated the ''Demetrius''. It's a sewage recycling ship. Party line will be that we're going on a scouting mission, looking for food.
When Helo says "we", he could be referring to the Fleet's military command sending them out, and not "we" as in Kara and him. And Helo is CAG, he is needed on ''Galactica'' and too visible to be sent out on a "maybe Kara is right" sideshow mission. We'll see soon enough ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Tory Foster/Archive 1

2008-04-15T10:56:28Z

FrakkinToasterLover:

I'd like to know where someone got 'Tory Foster' from. Was it in the closing credits? I aks, because I know her first name was spelled 'Tori' based on the subtitles during the episode. If anyone has a better source, then show it. --Ltcrashdown 08:27, 18 February 2006 (EST)
:Okay, i saw the note about being in the credits. I changed it back and modified the main page with 'Tory' instead of 'Tori'. --Ltcrashdown 08:30, 18 February 2006 (EST)

"The four newly discovered Cylons try to keep their nature hidden from those around them, while trying to come to terms it. When they brainstorm ideas about the still missing final Cylon, Colonel Tigh suggests that Foster sleep with Gaius Baltar to gain access to the knowledge he acquired while living among the Cylons..."
He didn't suggest that she sleeps with him, he said "You don't have to get on your back for him", he meant she should flirt with him to find out something. I've corrected it.
[[User:FrakkinToasterLover|FrakkinToasterLover]]

Talk:Tory Foster/Archive 1

2008-04-15T10:55:28Z

FrakkinToasterLover:

Tory Foster

2008-04-15T10:52:41Z

FrakkinToasterLover:

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'''Tory Foster''' becomes President [[Laura Roslin]]'s new aide and campaign manager following the death of [[Billy Keikeya]]. Prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], she was precinct captain for the [[Federalist Party]] in [[Delphi]] for five years, where she became proficient at taking polls ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

When President Roslin makes the decision to keep the new-born [[Hera Agathon|Cylon/human]] baby as far away from [[Sharon Agathon]] and the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] as possible, Tory creates a list of hand picked civilians who could be trusted with the baby. In the end a civilian named [[Maya]] is selected to take custody of the child. Tory makes it very clear that the child's mother's identity remain a secret ([[Downloaded]]).

Tory later conspires with [[Saul Tigh]] and [[Anastasia Dualla]] to rig the Presidential election in Roslin's favor. The ruse is uncovered and suppressed by Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] and Lieutenant [[Gaeta]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

During the occupation of [[New Caprica]], Foster aides Roslin in compiling a list of humans who are in collusion with the Cylons. She is tasked, and fails, with ensuring the safe transport of Maya and Hera off the planet. Maya is killed trying to escape New Caprica with the child. Hera survives but is found by the Cylons ("[[Occupation]]", "[[Exodus, Part I]] & [[Exodus, Part II|II]]").

Foster suffers an injury to one of her arms when a [[Raptor]] accidentally crashes into ''Colonial One'' after its main and [[RCS]] thrusters fail due to using impure [[tylium]] fuel ([[Dirty Hands]]).

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Before and during the trial of ex-president [[Gaius Baltar]], she is tasked with helping Roslin assemble a tribunal to bring charges against Baltar, as well as establish security arrangements ("[[The Woman King]]", "[[The Son Also Rises]]", "[[Crossroads, Part I]]") demonstrates an unwillingness to aid [[Romo Lampkin]]'s defense case through initially stonewalling Lampkin's attempts to gain access to records on ''Colonial One'' ([[The Son Also Rises]]).

Some time after the death of [[Kara Thrace]] ([[Maelstrom]]), Foster began a sexual relationship with Thrace's widowed husband, [[Samuel Anders]]. Roslin apparently learns of the relationship and is displeased ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

At the beginning of Baltar's trial, Foster begins to show signs of stress, possibly originating from a [[The Music|strange noise]] which she hears as the Fleet moves towards the [[Ionian nebula]]. Her lack of sleep and stress levels results in a damaging outburst to the press corps during Roslin's press conference, a press conference that covers the reemergence of her cancer. Roslin confronts Foster after this, threatening to replace her if she does not get back on her game ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). When the Fleet reaches the nebula, Foster (on ''Galactica'') is drawn to [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]] and Samuel Anders, who also hear the now-coherent melody. Despite each of them realizing that they are [[Final Five|Cylons]], Foster and the others re-commit themselves to the Colonial cause. Foster returns to [[CIC]] and stands by Roslin, ready to aid ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

The four newly discovered Cylons try to keep their nature hidden from those around them, while trying to come to terms it. When they brainstorm ideas about the still missing final Cylon, Colonel Tigh suggests that Foster flirt with Gaius Baltar to gain access to the knowledge he acquired while living among the Cylons. Although initially repulsed at the idea, she speaks to Baltar and is slightly captivated when he explains how he sees his new role as religious figure. Although at first she cries when eventually sleeping with him, she is further charmed when Baltar tells her that he thinks Cylons are people with feelings too ([[Six of One]]).

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[[de:Tory Foster]]

Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II

2008-01-08T07:00:31Z

FrakkinToasterLover:

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== Overview ==

:''Everything turns on its head as the survivors vote for a new president -- and vote for their fate.''

== Summary ==

===On Caprica===

*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]], the [[Marines]], and the [[Caprica Resistance]] continue to take fire from [[Cylon Centurion]]s and their artillery. They make their way up a hill, and hold their position.
*The Cylons hold fire, and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] remarks that the Cylons will attempt to capture them with non-lethal weapons, such as gas.
*Eighteen hours later, they emerge to find that the Cylons have disappeared. [[Cavil]] -- who suddenly appears behind them -- announces that the Cylons have left the Twelve Colonies and that humanity is spared.

===In the Fleet===

*[[Cally]] is cleared for duty by [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]], despite having her jaw wired shut. [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] visits her, apologizing for the attack. Cally forgives him, saying that she's always cared for him.

*[[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]] continues to gain in the polls. On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Tory_Foster|Tory]] mentions an alternative victory plan. [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] later calls a private meeting with Dr. Baltar, asking to deliver a joint statement of [[Wikipedia:Table (verb)|tabling]] the issue of colonization until after the election. Baltar rejects the idea.

*Roslin, fearing that she has indeed lost the presidential race, confronts [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] on whether he was with a copy of [[Number Six]] on Caprica before the Cylon attack. Baltar avoids answering the question and states that he may have [[Epiphanies|saved her life]], but he will not save her political life.

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] returns to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' with the resistance fighters, much to the delight of Admiral [[William Adama]]. She mentions the Cylon retreat from Caprica as Brother Cavil, leaving the Raptor, confirms it. He also says he has a message, but is attacked by Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], who declares a "[[Code blue]]," claiming Cavil is a Cylon. Incensed that Caprica-Valerii did not reveal Cavil's true nature earlier, Admiral Adama orders both Caprica-Valerii and the second Cavil to the brig.

*The ''Galactica''-based Cavil (from last episode) is brought to the brig, claiming he's not a Cylon, but changes his tune upon seeing his "brother", as he calls him. Caprica-Cavil then talks about the fact that the “war heroes” ([[Caprica Six]] & [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|"Boomer" Valerii]]) have convinced their kind that the attack of the colonies and the pursuit of the fleet were mistakes. Caprica-Cavil's mission was to relay the message that man and Cylon will go their separate ways. Both Roslin and Admiral Adama are less than trusting regarding the message.

*In the brig, Caprica-Valerii is completely disillusioned and nihilistic, declaring that since her [[Hera|child's]] death, nothing -- not Adama's trust or [[Helo]]'s -- matters to her. A frustrated Helo insists that he's not giving up on her, but she seems disinclined to listen.

*Thrace and [[Anders]] are getting extremely drunk when Apollo comes in to welcome them back. Starbuck makes a snide remark about Apollo and Dualla and goes back to drunkenly making out with Anders. Apollo, clearly upset with Starbuck, leaves without saying much.

*Election Day has arrived and Baltar has an apparent five thousand-vote lead over Roslin with only a five ships left to tally. On ''Colonial One'', Foster activates her alternative victory plan with a call to ''Galactica.''

*Amazingly, Roslin initially appears to have retained the presidency. While most are celebrating, Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] discovers fraudulent actions in the vote, and informs the Admiral that Col. Tigh (who acts suspiciously when questioned by Gaeta) may be involved in a conspiracy to throw the election.

*Admiral Adama confronts Roslin regarding the conspiracy, saying that Tigh has confessed to rigging the vote. Roslin admits her involvement and Adama is disappointed. The Admiral indicates that, for good or bad, the people's vote must take precedence. Adama secretly buries the conspiracy itself while announcing the startling change in events to Dr. Baltar.

*Initially Baltar vows to have a full investigation on the vote count, but after Adama suggests that Baltar take his victory and leave matters be, Baltar relents and informs Adama that he can be quite generous in victory. President-elect Baltar then orders a course for “[[New Caprica]].”

*Baltar and Gina consummate their relationship after Gina informs Baltar that she would not be part of the colonization.

*[[Gaius Baltar]] is sworn in as the new President of the Twelve Colonies, and orders the immediate colonization of New Caprica.

*Gina activates the nuclear warhead [[Epiphanies|given to her by Baltar]] aboard ''[[Cloud 9]]''. The nuclear blast destroys ''Cloud 9'' and at least three other ships. Admiral Adama warns that this may be a prelude to a Cylon attack, but President Baltar ignores him and presses forward with colonization.

===One Year Later===
[[image:burdens2.jpg|Thrace and Cottle on New Caprica.|thumb]]
*President Baltar's administration appears to be corrupt, lax, and unresponsive. [[Felix Gaeta|Mr. Gaeta]], now the President's aide, reports issues with a worker's union. Baltar is upset, saying there have been no Cylon attacks but the people still complain. He has regressed, turning to alcohol, medication, and womanizing.

*Admiral Adama, now sporting a [[Adamastache|mustache]], walks the corridors of a near-empty ''Galactica'', which is quickly falling into disrepair. Over half of the crew have moved down onto the planet, leaving the ship so short on crew that they barely have enough pilots to fly training missions, much less form up [[Combat Air Patrol]]s. The long absence of the Cylons has left both the remaining crews aboard the [[Pegasus]] and the Galactica rusty, causing them to take a long time to go to [[Action Stations]]. Adama asks Tigh to retire from duty to join his [[Ellen Tigh|wife]] on the planet. Tigh reluctantly agrees.

*[[Samuel Anders|Anders]], now Thrace's husband, has pneumonia. Dr. Cottle is unable to treat Anders because there are no [[antibiotics]] available. He can only advise Thrace to make sure Anders gets enough rest in order to recover.

*Thrace runs into the Tighs as [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]], now a union boss, is making a speech to begin a strike, with a very pregnant Cally by his side. Col. Tigh mentions to Thrace that ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' keeps a store of backup medical supplies and that Commander [[Lee Adama]] might spring some for her. Thrace disagrees, which prompts Tigh to state that Lee Adama should be over her harsh neglect of Adama's friendship after Anders' arrival a year before.

*Roslin returns to her teaching roots, teaching the settlement's children, and manages to find enjoyment in her new position. [[Maya]] is with her, as is the now one year-old "[[Hera|Isis]]".

*Thrace calls Commander Lee Adama aboard ''Pegasus'' to request the antibiotics. [[Dualla]], ostensibly the ''Pegasus'' [[XO]], notices something on [[DRADIS]], to her horror.

*A massive fleet of [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s arrive in orbit around New Caprica. The Adamas discuss what to do in response, with Lee initially advocating that the remains of the orbiting Fleet [[FTL|jump]] away. Admiral Adama initially resists, but orders the Jump, vowing that they will return.

*A [[Leoben Conoy]]-model [[humanoid Cylon]] shows up at Thrace and Anders' tent, where he asks an ailing Anders about where to find Thrace.

[[Image:Baltarsurrender.JPG|thumb|"On behalf of the People of the Twelve Colonies, I surrender."|125px]]

*Mr. Gaeta informs the President of the Cylon approach. Later, before his assembled staff, copies of Numbers [[Number Five|5]], [[Number Eight|8]], and [[Number Six|6]] approach the President. The Cylons declare that as long as there is no resistance, no harm will come.

*President Baltar surrenders on behalf of the colonists after learning that the Cylons - scouting a star system one light year from New Caprica - discovered the planet because of the nuclear explosion set off by Gina. As Cylon forces occupy the planet, Thrace vows to resist.

== Notes ==
* According to Ron Moore's podcast, although the SciFi Channel was willing to air this episode as a 90-minute special, there also exists an 60-minute version for international distribution. In some markets outside of the United States, viewers might only see the 1 hour version of the episode, which Moore regards as "almost incomprehensible". Many plot threads, such as the entire Cally/Tyrol subplot, were completely removed for the one hour version.
**In the United Kingdom, Sky One showed the episode as a 90 minute special.
**In Latin America, as aired by TNT LA, the 90 minute special was shown as well.

*In the podcast previous episode, he says that in early drafts of this special 90 minute long episode, the writers actually tried to make it a 2 hour special, but this was soon dropped (these times are including commercials).

*The election board appears to have a definitive list of the names of all of the ships in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Not all of them are clearly visible, but this means that the writers do have an actual list that they get new ship names from.
**In fact, several ships from this list are mentioned by name in later episodes. For example ''[[Faru Sadin]]'', ''Chiron'', ''[[Thera Sita]]'' and ''[[Pyxis]]''.

*Admiral Adama watches [[Pyramid]] games and was a fan of the [[Picon Panthers]].

*The framed photo of President Roslin and [[Billy Keikeya]] is still on Roslin's desk during the election.

*When Roslin "won" the rigged election results, Roslin received 24,265 votes, while Baltar recieved 22,266. This means that the eligible voters in the Fleet number at least 46,531. In the podcast, Ron Moore explains that he quickly came up with these numbers, to try to reflect roughly how many survivors are below the voting age.

*Toward the end of the episode, President Baltar refers to a government body called the "People's Council". This may be the proportionally elected lower house mentioned by Ron Moore in his [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 blog post] on January 30, 2005.

*[[Hera]] is seen on New Caprica in the same white cradle that Baltar had a vision of her being in in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" and "[[Scattered]]". According to Ron Moore's podcast it is actually the exact same cradle.

*Tyrol's union speech is an almost word for word quote of Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964. According to Ron Moore and David Eick in the podcast, they even got permission from Savio's widow to use it (even though, due to the way copyright laws work from back then, they could have just used it without permission, they felt they should get it). As a result, it's even listed in the credits: "Mario Savio speech excerpted courtesy of: Lynne Hollander Savio". Actor Aaron Douglas (Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]) actually studied film of Savio, so all of the hand gestures Tyrol makes when he gives the speech are gestures that Savio actually used.

*Baltar's portrait of himself does not have the 'cut corners' as seen in almost all other papers and photos in the show. Neither do the other framed pictures in the presidential office aboard ''Colonial One'', nor the papers in the classroom on New Caprica.

*[[:Image:LDYBSchool.jpg|Visible]] on the blackboard of Roslin's school are the French verbs ''aller'', ''avoir'', and ''être''. Either English isn't the only language spoken on the Twelve Colonies, or this might be a goof by the set designers trying to make it look more like a generic school.
**French has appeared in the show before. In "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", Six uses the French word for momentum or surge, ''élan''. In "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", Captain [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]] uses the phrase ''esprit de corps''.
**There are also [[:Image:Chinese_characters.png|Chinese ideograms]] in an episode of the ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]]'' webisodes.
* The story of the Fleet settling on New Caprica and being overrun by the Cylons is eerily similar to the story of the first episode of [[Battlestar Galactica (SDS)|Singer and DeSanta's revival attempt]]. The shot of Roslin teaching kids the history of the Colonies is also a, possibly unintentional, reference to that.

== Analysis ==
*According to Ron Moore's podcast, the events of "One Year Later" are real and were meant to solidify to the audience that the show is taking a path that cannot be reversed. In order to make the colonization of New Caprica real, Moore felt that the show would need to jump ahead in a span of year to show that indeed Baltar has followed through with his political promise.

*The events of the Cylon invasion of New Caprica parallel the German invasion of France, with the Fleet's escape a parallel to the Allied evacuation of Dunkirk and Baltar's surrender a parallel to Petain's surrender. The Cylons marching into New Caprica City is also reminiscent of German troops marching into Paris. If the parallel continues, Baltar will establish a puppet regime under Cylon rule akin to [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]] while Colonials still loyal to humanity will establish a resistance movement.Ron Moore has actually said in the podcast for this episode that it is inspired by Vichy France.

*Baltar's arrogance seems to have led to corrupt rule during his year on New Caprica; he replaces Roslin's modest desk with a more elaborate one, replaces the population count whiteboard with a portrait of himself, and keeps a harem aboard the grounded ''Colonial One''.

*After a year, everyone still lives in tents. Shortages of medicine abound, the military is of no use, and labor conditions are apparently intolerable. Baltar's administration is apparently as incompetent as Roslin feared, when she said he was ridiculously unqualified and had no idea how to be president.
**It is not clear whether these conditions are the result of administrative incompetence or the inherent difficulties of colonizing a marginally habitable planet.
***Of course, it was Baltar's idea to settle on a marginally habitable planet in the first place.
****...which the majority of the population voted for. Nobody forced them to colonize the planet. And considering the fact that the alternative was to continue living in ships in space, forced with constant lack of basic supplies, with a vague hope of finding Earth they were not even sure existed, let alone that they could actually find it, their decision makes sense.
***Tory Foster points out that Baltar was winning the election because he was "holding out hope for breathing real air, growing real food, sleeping in a bed instead of a bunk. Living in a house instead of a ship". Hopefully the irony of this wasn't lost on Baltar voters who even a full year later are sleeping in hammocks and living in tents.

*It is ironic that the obligations of duty keep Lee Adama aboard ''Pegasus'' while everyone else goes planet-side. He is a reserve officer, and promised to build his pilots a bar as soon as they found a habitable planet.
**It is possible the bar was built.
**A bar area is seen in "[[Unfinished Business]]".

*In the podcast for "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" Ron Moore comments on how everyone assumed that ''Pegasus'' would be destroyed by the end of the episode, and thus he thought it would be a good twist to keep ''Pegasus'' alive as another ship in the Fleet. Speculators mistakenly assumed that the nuke that Baltar gave to Gina in "[[Epiphanies]]" would be used to destroy ''Pegasus'' (keeping in tune with the assumed destruction of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] ''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus'']]).

*Twenty-nine people died between this episode and the preceding one. One or two Raptors were lost, and some Marines died on Caprica, but that doesn't seem high enough to account for this loss. Even if more people died during the attack on Caprica than shown, losses should be offset by the rescued resistance fighters.

* The Cylons were slightly over a light year away, according to the Number Five at the surrender. The radiation from the nuclear explosion on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' would, of course, only be traveling at the speed of light. There is inconclusive evidence whether the Cylon download process is limited to the speed of light or not. While it is likely that it is, an FTL capability in this area would indicate that [[Gina]] didn't manage to download. It should be noted that comments by the writers and subsequent episodes point out that she is truly dead.

*The population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. There were just under 50,000 people in the Fleet before establishing the settlement, so that gives a figure of roughly 10,000 accounting for the deaths on ''Cloud Nine'', deaths due to accidents and the relatively harsh conditions on New Caprica and the people remaining on the ships in orbit (offset, of course, by births during the first year). At this point it can't be determined how many people died as the result of the nuclear explosion.
**Later it is established, that roughly 2,000 people escaped on the civilian ships and that both battlestars were at half-strength. This makes it possible to put the casualties of the explosion and the year of life on New Caprica at about 5,700 to 6,200 (net of births). See the "Precipice" section of [[Survivor Count]] for details.

*Any "industrial" vessels - such as the mining ships, tanker ships, repair ships, agricultural ships - would have landed on the planet and been debarked, dismantled, or converted to form the foundation for industrial efforts. Some of the vessels in the Fleet that left [[Ragnar Anchorage]] were not designed for prolonged interstellar journeys, and were basically running on a hope and a prayer, and would have been rendered promptly upon finding a more permanent home. The nineteen-or-so ships seen are, more than likely, the last space-worthy vessels in the fleet that are not needed (or capable of landing) planet-side.
**After a year, people are still living in tents and using landed ships as buildings, so it does not look like much has been dismantled or converted into raw production. Other than the miners, who are apparently extremely unhappy at how things have been run, we see little evidence of industry or production over the year.

*Apparently, Thrace's comments about Lee Adama and Dualla have taken their toll on their relationship. Whether the comments escalated is unknown, but, from Dualla's expression of annoyance when she hands the receiver to Adama when Thrace calls, it is clear that the three never reconciled with each other (See "[[Unfinished Business]]" for the answer).

*The Six and Eight that are part of the Cylon delegation that greets Baltar's cabinet are almost certainly [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii]]. This is implied from Six's reaction upon seeing Baltar and her intimation that she knows who Baltar is. The two are also wearing the exact same clothes as in "[[Downloaded]]".

*Initially it remains open whether Roslin's threat to 'airlock' two Cavils was actually carried out. This is answered in a [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|deleted scene]]. During their drinking scene, Tyrol tells Cally that the execution happened the previous night.

*In the Season 3 trailer that followed the end of the episode, Six narrates, saying that humanity has finally surrendered and the war is over. According to Six, the Cylons can finally fulfill their "''true destiny''" and take care of humanity. They desire to show humanity the "''glory of peace''," mercy; like God, their mercy can only be matched by their power and complete control. So apparently, the war heroes have indeed changed the Cylons' prejudices toward humans, but unfortunately this also means that the Cylons believe that the only way to care for humanity is to control it.
**This narrative sounds more like Baltar's [[Virtual Six|internal Six]] (superior, controlling, zealous) than Caprica-Six (who is more of a people person).

== Questions ==

*Who is Baltar's Vice President? ([[Exodus, Part I|Answer]])
*Has Gaeta's view of Baltar changed since Baltar's ascension to the presidency? If so, is Gaeta planning to do anything about it? ([[Exodus, Part II|Answer]])
*Where do the remains of the Fleet escape to?
*Where is Caprica-Valerii? ([[Occupation|Answer]])
*Why is Leoben looking for Starbuck, specifically? ([[Occupation|Answer]])
*Why has the population (until Tyrol's recent union speech) accepted Baltar's imperious rule? People were hardly so passive under Roslin.
*What were the workers being asked to do which was so "odious", "so sick[ening] at heart" that Tyrol was willing to call a general strike, and so important to Baltar that he was willing to use illegal imprisonment to break it?
*Baltar surrenders to copies of Six and Eight. Are these Cylons the reincarnated [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|"Boomer" Valerii]]? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*If "Galactica-Sharon" is present on New Caprica, will she attempt to rekindle ties with Tyrol? If she does, what kind of effect will that have on his relationship with Cally? (see "[[Occupation]]" and "[[Precipice]]")
*Where did the Cylon fleets go, after they left the Twelve Colonies? Cavil is deliberately vague when asked if they simply returned to the [[Cylon homeworld]].
*Why didn't the nuclear device trigger the radiological alarms on either battlestar?
*How many people died in ''Cloud 9'''s destruction? (See the "Precipice" section of [[Survivor Count]])
*Were the Quorum of Twelve killed on ''Cloud Nine''?
*Were [[Shevon]] and [[Paya]] killed on ''Cloud Nine''?
*When Gina was instantly vaporized due to being only two feet from a nuclear detonation, did she still transmit her consciousness? Was she even capable of transmitting considering that any internal hardware responsible for this task would have been instantly destroyed? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*Given Roslin's memories of Baltar with Six, why didn't Admiral Adama suspect Baltar of handing over the nuclear warhead to the cylons? If he did suspect him, why not act on it? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*Did Baltar's internal Six disappear at any point during the New Caprica year? If so, when and why? If so, did the events of her disappearance contribute to Baltar's regression?
*Why is it so easy for Adama to hide the collusion of the rigged election from the press, and why are there no consequences?
*If the Cylons really left the Twelve Colonies, leaving behind a nuked-out wasteland, what happened to all of the human captives in the [[farms]]?
*Why have the Cylons returned after suggesting that they were willing to go their "separate ways"?
*Will the Adamas resort to Cain's tactic of conscripting civilians to fill the gaps?
*What happened between Apollo and Starbuck? ([[Unfinished Business|Answer]])
*What led to Starbuck's reconciliation with Col. Tigh after the two have been in conflict since the [[Miniseries]]. ([[Unfinished Business#Notes|Answer]])
*When Adama informs Baltar that the nuke used to blow up ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' was probably stolen from Baltar's lab, why is he not suspicious about the fact that Baltar never reported that it was missing?
*Are the Cylons that appear at the end representative of the whole Cylon race, or are they a faction that broke off after the two "Cylon Heroes" began to speak out against the war on the humans?
*If it is true that the Cylons now believe the attack on humanity was a mistake, is the occupation on New Caprica viewed by the Cylons as an act of mercy and kindness vs. oppression from the human perspective? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*Could it be the intent of the Cylons to actually help the colonization of New Caprica, helping with the construction of infrastructure, new homes, etc., in order to make up for the holocaust? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
**Could the Cylons be fortifying New Caprica to protect the humans from hostile Cylons? There should still be some, that Number Three in "Downloaded" was pretty fanatical, and if the political winds have changed as they so often do...
**Is there a Cylon civil "cold" war?
**Could the occupation of New Caprica be a compromise between pro-human and anti-human factions, with war breaking out between them after it fails?

== Official Statements ==

From the official site (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/):
When Baltar wins the vote, Roslin considers stealing the election because she believes he is a Cylon collaborator.

RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 28, 2006]) gives details. (''Due to article size requirements, the blog entry is not reproduced here.'')

=== Interviews ===

* '''[[Paul Campbell]] discussess his thoughts on the story post-"[[Sacrifice]]":'''

:'''MB/TSFW:''' So what do you think about the story after you left, and the trouble [[Mary McDonnell|Mary]]’s [[Laura Roslin|character]] got herself into? After your [[Tory Foster|replacement]] came in she kind of had a fall there. Do you think that would have happened if you were still there to watch her back?

: '''Paul:''' You know, I don’t know if they could have. [[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] had so much integrity, that under his watch, I don’t think that would have happened. And maybe he would have had to step down, and Mary would have gone about that route with someone else. But I don’t think if he would have been in the picture, that would have gone down. Because that’s some shady crap, and I don’t think it would have cut it. We obviously butted heads on a few things like that in the past. In particular when I ended up leaving her at the ship. As it turned out, I had another pilot to go shoot. As it turned out, it was more my schedule that didn’t work out, but it worked in the writing. But no, I don’t think that would have flown had I been in the picture. So I don’t know what they would have done. I’m sure that was the story line from the beginning, but how they would have worked me into it, I don’t really know. [http://mediablvd.com/magazine/index.php?option=com_magazine&func=show_article&id=84 MediaBlvd]

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''After being uncovered as a Cylon upon on arrival from Caprica:''
:'''Brother Cavil''': Well, this is an awkward moment…. Yes, he's right, I'm a Cylon. And I have a message. So…take me to your leader.
:'''Admiral Adama''': Take him to the brig.

*''After arrest on Galactica:''
:'''Brother Cavil''': Would you mind telling me what's going on? I'm not a frakking Cylon, I'm not…(sees the other Cavil from Caprica in the cell)…oh. Well, okay then.

*''On Caprica during the fight with the Cylons:''
:'''Anders:''' You got any great ideas in that military brain of yours?
:'''Starbuck:''' Do the same thing we always do; fight 'em 'till we can't.

*''After the Cylons occupy New Caprica:''
:'''Tyrol:''' What do you want to do now, Captain?
:'''Starbuck:''' The same thing we always do. Fight them until we can't.

*''Number Six heralds the Cylons' arrival to Baltar:''
:'''Head Six:''' Judgment day.

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Erica Cerra]] as [[Maya]]
*[[Winston Rekert]] as Priest
*[[David Kaye]] as [[James McManus]]

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== Webisode Anticipation ==
I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
== Unfinished Business ==
I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Image" ==

When we do a picture for the Episode Data block and this is all done, we should take all 10 of the images and put them in a pattern so it would be a mossic image. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I like your idea, and I suggest 2 wide by 5 tall, as it must be either 1x10 or 2x5 (barring tomfoolery), and 5x2 would have unfortunate aspect ratio consequences. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:20, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

== Connectivity?!? ==

Is anyone else having problems watching the webisodes?
I've waited all this time for them to air and I can't watch a single one!

How shady is that?

Do Sci-Fi.com have availbility problems regarding this, and how hong is it going to take to fix?

Does anyone know if they are going to be released in any other format other than webisode? --Jetstorm316
:I just watched it not 20 minutes ago and it worked. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::You need the latest Flash player. You can get it from the Marrocmedia Website. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Any way to watch it if not from America? Wont let me watch here in the UK :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Tried several US proxies and it just wont load. can someone save it and upload to google video or youtube or summit? :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:40, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::This is bending the policy,but it is on you-tube (Watch this morning because it works better than the official site at lower speeds). Should be a link on skiffy board somewhere. Or gtalk or gmail me and I will find the link. gougef at gmail dot com. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:44, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Well said, Frankie. No hosting or linking to "illegal" copies... but like he said there's youtube links at sciffy (even though the admins appear to be trying to delete them). And the "flash player" official version was choppy even with ultra-broadband. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Thanks for your help anyway guys. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Does any one have the link for the you tube version? My Flash player is upto date, but can't watch here in the UK........

Must be a Trans-Atlantic thing or something, but I hope they put it on 3.0 to compensate for people who are missing out.--Jetstorm316 19:12GMT 5 september 2006

EUREKA! Success at last! If you have a torrent client, go to this link,
<<removed link>>
Now, we can all watch it at our leasure --jetstorm316 19:34hrs GMT
:We don't host or link copies. Removed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:18, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Please do not link to the webisodes or clips of BSG on this Wiki that are copyrighted. Thank you --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

And thats the thanks I get for helping us all out who have connectivity problems? You know what, F*** the lot of you! I won't visit this site again!

This is the last entry for Jetstorm316

Goodbye and good F***ing luck to you bunch of F***ing losers!
:Please do not feel offended by up removing the link you posted. As i mentioned on your talk page It was nice of you to think of others but we dont want to get into any copyright issues with the producers. I hope you re-think your decision about leaving as your other contributions in the talk pages have been great --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:49, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::what Mercifull said. Personally, it was hard to get use to posting here after being involve with other online forums and communities. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:59, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::It's easy for me 'cause on other forums I don't link to that kinda junk anyway. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Obviously''' there is more than a little frustration over not being able to connect outside the US. I'm not sure about the UK and other countries, but I do know that Canada's Space Channel has bought the show to broadcast on pretty much the same dates as in the US. This makes the fact that we Canadians(and anyone else who is going to see the show boadcast legally on television on October outside the US) would really benefit from being able to access the webisodes...we will watch the premier on Space, just like everyone else, except we are forced to result to illegal means to see the webisodes. I know this is a novelty, and perhaps the websiode content won't greatly affect the regularly aired shows, but really, I truly feel that this is a bad mistake on SciFi's behalf...and maybe even on Canada's Space Channel's Behalf for not seeking to host the webisodes on their Canadian site. It'll be something that they can claim as "EXTRA SPECIAL" on the DVD releases perhaps..but I think that once that is done, it becomes "bonus material" for the DVD and no longer the exciting and unique experience of participating with everyone else, waiting expectantly for the next five minute morsel to whet our appetites for the coming season...instead we have to lurk around in the dark and worry that maybe YOUTUBE is going to cut us off. We are fans and we all want the same great experience.

Maybe this isn't the place to debate...but I think I'll be writing both SciFi and SPACE to see how they can make a better, more rounded fan experience for an evidently GLOBAL audience.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:I am from the UK and sent an email to SciFi asking whether they will ever be available to those outside the US, they didn't even bother replying. --[[User:Warpfactor|Warpfactor]] 13:08, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

==Cast & Crew announced==
Now that Ron Moore has [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ announced] the full cast and crew listing of the webisodes, it may be better to have a crew section and a cast section instead of listing the cast under each of the ten recaps. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 21:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agree, but we should make when we saw each cast memeber. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:29, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Sister Tivenan ==
I'd imagine the pirestess I didn't recognize in webisode 2 was the Sister Tivenan in those credits by elimination. That does not leave me quite comfortable with claiming her as identified. I didn't find a Tivenan by search here, so I'd assume she's a new character. I solicit opinions. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:54, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:She appears to be a completely new character.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 06:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doral/Number Five ==

It seems like such a trivial thing to bring up, but I notice that the Wiki credits (anticipating his future appearance) now refer to Matthew Bennett's role as [[Number Five]] even though Ron's blog specifically refers to his role as [[Doral]] and that he is referred to as a Doral model in several episodes (including "[[Litmus]]".) Rather than revert it back, I'll just note the change and leave it up here as something to resolve until he makes his webisode debut.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 07:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:There are many Fives but only one Aaron Doral, and there's no indication that it's him. RDM refers to models other than Sixes as "D'annas", "Dorals", "Sharons" etc. for simplicity's sake. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Episode 3?==

So, uh, where the heck's Episode 3? It's not up! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:11, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:Whoops, never mind. Episode 3 went up at 12 ''PM'' eastern as opposed to 12 ''AM'' Eastern. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:13, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. :) I just finshed watching it. It was ok. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::My silly school blocks streaming video :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:16, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Official Sources==
Thinking about moving the contract dispute stuff down the page into an Official Sources section. I find it distracting where it is. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:51, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Webisodes links==

Is it okay to add links to the webisodes? I searched the source of the article but didn't see any. What about removing the comments of Jetstorm316 above, or for that matter how about all the comments that folks made without reading the webisodes FAQ which is linked to on all the webisode pages? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 16:41, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: What kind of links are we talking about here? Are we talking about the official Scifi.com links? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:05, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Yes, such as /battlestar/video/webisodes/01/ (with the scifi dot com added to the front of course). [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 17:35, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Done. thanks for noticing that frakup. Also, the removed contents of Jetstorm was link(s) to "unofficial" copies. Can't link directly to FAQ because it is java popup from SciFi.com. May post relevant part to official statements. Thanks again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:00, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Swt, thanks and your welcome. The FAQ can be seen here http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html I meant removing Jetstorms comments on this Talk page, maybe remove contents of the Connectivity?!? and replace it with the FAQ url? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::I don't mind removing his comments, as long as we archive them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:37, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Why one page?==
Why not have seperate pages for each webisode? Even the TVIV has seperate pages for each webisode. That's pretty embarrassing that the battlestarwiki has inferior coverage of something Battlestar related. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:42, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually, Mateo, this is just one episode split into 10 morsels. My present feeling is that this'll be rolled into one feature on the Season 3 DVDs when they come out (or they'll also air it on Sci-Fi sometime in the future as one 30 minute special). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:34, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: ''this is just one episode split into 10 morsels'' Says who? Scifi.com says otherwise. It describes them as 10 webisodes. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:54, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Scifi.com also said Duck and Nora were married (when they weren't). The web staff of scifi isn't always on the same page as the writers/producers of the show. Regardless of what either of them think, though, we should probably do what makes best sense for the encyclopedia. I'm not sure if the the content of each "webisode" is enough to merit a whole "episode" article. I like the fact that this current format maintains the standard layout (summary, questions, analysis, notes) and grouping them together gives it enough meat to fill it out. It'd be a harder call if each of the webisodes had a title, but lacking that they fall neatly into the current format. I'm not dead set against separate articles (heck, we've got some really small ones), but unless this grows out of control it looks ok to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:04, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cast and References ==
The references is a bit confusing. Cally [1][2] is for episode 1 and 4... Maybe it's different with Firefox, but right now I'm with IE. So, if we keep the references, we can create something like the wiki '''TvIV''' is using for the characters. Ex:

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
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| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally]]
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| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
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| 3
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| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
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|}

I think that way we keep the references in the order they appeared and create a kind of Timeline for the entire Webisode. And no more confusion. What do you think? --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 14:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:28, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. Good idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:48, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer ==
In episode 7, before Number Five asks Jammer if he can refer to him as James or if he prefers Jammer, he refers to him as Mr..., I think he said Mr. Lynom. I listened to it a number of times and it's hard to make out but I am wondering if anybody else caught it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:44, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:See [[Talk:Jammer]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:29, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== Number Five's comment in Episode 7 ==
I don't think that he asks Jammer "Can I call you James or Jim?" as was placed in the notes, I believe the correct dialog is "Can I call you James or do you prefer Jammer?" I want to change that on the article page but want verification first. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:33, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:You are probably right. The audio, especially Doral, sucked on this episode. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:41, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::He said "Jim" not "Jammer," I just listened to it a moment ago, I'll go confirm it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:42, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Never mind, got it backwards, he definately said Jammer. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:43, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::::No, Definitely, I listened to it again and he did for a certainty say Jammer not Jim. I am going to change it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:11, 26 September 2006 (AST)

== Episode 9 ==

Hello. I'm new here. I just added in a synopsis of the ninth webisode. Hopefully it's up to snuff. Any pointers on writing conventions here would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:03, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

:You did a delightful job; that was some might fine prose. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:48, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Hello Alpha! Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! Thank you for your fine contributions so far! I personally look forward to future contributions from you! In response to your request for pointers, check out Battlestar Wiki's [[BW:SC|Standards and Conventions]], as well as our [[BW:SP|Spoiler]] and [[BW:CJ|Citation]] policies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:53, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:It looks good to me as well. Thanks for your contribution. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Okay - I'm new here, but I just listened to Episode 9 and it sounds like he says "a little bird told me" not "Boomer told me" (which makes more sense, since Boomer should still be on the Galactica). Can someone else confirm/deny this? [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:yeah - I just listened to it several times to make sure - he clearly (but quickly) says "little bird told me" - Not boomer. Changing the main page. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, I'll be. That's the second time I've misheard something in these webisodes. I listened to it several times before, and it always sounded like Boomer. And everyone else I talked to heard Boomer. But I'll be damned if he's not saying "little bird". Dang, I really loved the implications of Boomer telling him. Which could definitely happen, as she's on New Caprica (Sharon's on Galactica). Even if she wasn't working with The Resistance, it made sense to me that she might contact the Chief to tell him his friend had been arrested. But alas, that plot twist is no more. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:28, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I get Sharon and Boomer mixed up all the time - oh, well. It was hard to tell what he said exactly at first, but since it's three syllables and consists of mostly hard consonants and short vowels (whereas Boomer is two syllables and has a long vowel sound and a soft consonat sound), I got curious and listened to it several times. He says it so quickly it's somewhat muffled, but it's clearly "little bird" once you figure out what he's saying.[[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:56, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::No, no, no. I've listened again and again and heard nothing but "Boomer". It's one word and clearly starts with a B, clearly followed by an "ooh", clearly followed by a "mer". I've tried to hear it as "rumor" or "little bird" and failed. And I believe she informed Tyrol about the release, the arrest would have been public knowledge. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:55, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: none - please listen again - the syllable count and consanant sounds do not fit Boomer. It seems some fans are too willing to hear what they want to hear. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:58, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::(This should have been hear) I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Can we just leave off who told him until we hear [[BW:OC|some word]]? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: Good idea - my wife insists he's saying "ol' grover told me". I have no idea now. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 12:02, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I listened a couple more times and it's still "Boomer". I could almost believe it was "bird" (no "little", just "bird") except that there's an M in it. There really is. Leaving off until we hear from Ngarenn does indeed seem sensible, Steelviper. That's why I removed that part when I edited it. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::: I'm pretty sure I heard Boomer, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:17, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::: I'm so sure I head "Boomer" that I have difficulty assuming good faith here. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Now, now. As certain as I am that it's "Boomer", I'm sure Rabidwolfe's edits were in good faith. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:59, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::The [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2191836&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD transcripts] posted at Sciffy began as "rumor" then shifted towards "Boomer". "Boomer" is what I heard initially. Really, this is an example that could be easily cleared up by Mr. Thompson. Worst case (if he doesn't respond) we could do the audio analysis ala "Narcho". If it's "rumor", or "a little bird", or any other generic external source then it's not of much signifance. As mentioned in the OC question, it's only noteworthy if it is in fact "Boomer". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:11, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Those transcripts are done by fans, unfortunately. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::Well, right. As an RDM podcast transcriber, I recognize the fan transcripts for what they are, and realize that they are subject to error. I was just harnessing the "extra ears" to get a feel for what others heard. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::I was just pointing out how nice it would be if the transcripts were official. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::OK, now I'm extremely confused. I listened like a half dozen times when RapidWolfe first brought this up, and at the time, I definitely heard "little bird." He said it quickly, kinda slurred, but I swear Tyrol said it. Now I read the whole big discussion here and try listening again. I can't make heads or tails of it, because now I can't hear anything but Boomer. Apparently I'll hear whatever I'm told to. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:30, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::: I'm sorry - I was sure it was little bird. I promise if it is Boomer, I'll eat crow or whatever. FWIW, I just had three random friends who don't watch BSG listen to it, and the three answers they told me were: "the colonel", "rumor" and "colonel." I'm now as confused as anyone else. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 15:57, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

===Spectrogram===
If someone can get me a WAV or AIFF of the audio in question, I can analyze it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:40, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:I have a sample. Working on it now. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:14, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::Okay. Let's do a quick run-through. A narrow transcription of "Boomer" reads {{IPA|pumɹ̣}}, "Rumor" reads {{IPA|ɹumɹ̣}}, and "A little bird" reads {{IPA|elɪɾḷpɹ̣d}}. "A little bird" in very fast speech would probably be realized as "Lil' bird", {{IPA|lɪlpɹ̣d}}, or maybe just "Bird", {{IPA|pɹ̣d}}. What are the salient differences here?
::*"Boomer" is distinguished from "Rumor" by a bilabial stop {{IPA|p}} vs. a retroflex approximant {{IPA|ɹ}}. The {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible to me in the recording, but unfortunately there's too much white noise to make it out in the spectrogram. However, we can ascertain whether or not {{IPA|ɹ}} is present, as that would drag down the second and third formants of the following vowel.
::*"Boomer" is quite clearly distinguishable from "Bird". "Boomer" has two vowels, high back rounded {{IPA|u}} and r-colored {{IPA|ɹ̣}}, interrupted by a bilabial nasal {{IPA|m}}. "Bird" has no nasal and a single vowel, {{IPA|ɹ̣}}. Thus, if we see a nasal and a vowel that is not r-colored, we can safely rule out "Bird".
::So, what we actually see looks to me like:
::[[Image:Boomer-spectrogram.png]]
::There is clearly a nasal breaking the vowel formants into two regions. Thus, we can eliminate "(a little) bird" as a possibility. The first has a fairly low first and second formant, as we would expect for {{IPA|u}}, and its third formant, while barely visible, does not appear to be lowered be a preceding {{IPA|ɹ}}. Additionally, the bilabial plosive {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible in the recording. In the second vowel, the third formant can be seen to lower, which is suggestive of r-coloring. Thus, "Boomer" seems to be the only possibility. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:48, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Here's the clip, if anyone wants to {{audio|boomertoldme.mp3|listen}} --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: well, that does sound like Boomer. I'll eat crow. (but please don't say I was acting in bad faith). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 18:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: What I fail to understand is that Webisodes have logically build upon each other and suddenly they dropped "Boomer" out of the middle of nowhere. Confused me???. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:20, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I wasn't saying you were acting in bad faith; I just meant that I found it hard to believe. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:33, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::The most damning evidence in my mind was that I clearly heard the "buh" sound. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:49, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

I've listened to it and he undoubtedly says "Laura told me" --[[User:jxh487]]
I take it back, it undoubtedly is "Boomer told me", just said rather lazily with improper enunciation [[User:Jxh487|Jxh487]] 11:59, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer's Role ==

I just need to say that it's good to see Jammer playing such a large role in the webisodes, and he's become one of my more favored characters due to what we've seen of him in the webisodes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:10, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

: I would have to agree. I've mainly noticed Jammer because of the Cylon speculation page, but he was barely in the series; The Resistance has given him some great development. I expect he'll develop similarly to Cally in Season Two: a recognizable tertiary character suddenly gets major exposure and is catapulted to secondary status. Jammer is awesome, and I can't wait to see where he goes in Season Three (even though the trailers have already given me far too good an idea).

:I'm also glad Duck is getting developed in the webisodes, but so far his storyline in The Resistance hasn't quite been as interesting. Hopefully episode 10 will give us more delightful Duck and Jammer goodness. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:23, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

::I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Frankie, I think you meant to post that in the Episode 9 section :) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:42, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes DUH!. I'll copy it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:03, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hyperlinks to the episodes ==

Shane, I'm just curious, why did you remove the hyperlinks to specific webisodes? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:38, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:With the redesign of their site to total flash, the HTML pages were courput. I am going to re-add the URLs to the Flash pages themselfs once Episode 10 airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::Oh, God. There are several citations linking to deleted scenes using the old URL scheme... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Are podcasts changed too? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::::No. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:04, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Perhaps this is something that cant be done on the wiki but its something we use at work on our website. All external links are in a database so that if it changes you can updates all the pages with the link on it. Its kinda hard to explain but basically if you wanted to link to the webisodes you would link to www.battlestarwiki.com/webisode1 and then you would set that url to redirect to whatever the external url was. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:26, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Unfinished ==
Due to the discussions about having problems hearing certain things, look at this [http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=7769 interview]. It looks like that the webisodes were unfinished, especially the sound mixing. May want to import some of this to the actual article itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Chinese Characters ==

I am Chinese, and the three Characters in episode 07 are "盐","渍" or "溃" and "姜" respectively. The right top part of the second character is too blurry that I can't figure it out. As you can see from the candidates I provide, they looks very similar.

# "盐": means "salt".
# "渍": means "be soiled"(verb) or "stain" (noun). And "溃" means "to ulcerate".
# "姜": It has two meanings: a surname or "ginger".
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:Actually, the second (middle) character looks more like "油" or "oil". Which makes a lot more sense, really, since it reads "salt", "oil", "ginger", all cooking ingredients. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 03:36, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Episode 10 ==

I commented out a line of speculation. I am not sure we can reference their actions without proper visual confirmation. Jammer might be just talking a walk. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:55, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:The implication was so clear that no other interpretation seems reasonable. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Use of Roman Numerals for Episodes ==

I noted that Peter reverted the use of Latin numeration in favor of Roman numeration (Episode X instead of Episode X) in some article references. Was this discussed? While we break down multi-episode parts by Roman numerals, we haven't set such a convention for this instance. Which should it be? I prefer Latin, although Roman has an asthetically pleasing look. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:There was no discussion - it just seemed jarring to have the two systems next to each other as I was writing the article. I'll go along with whatever consensus dictates. (BTW, the notation 1, 2, 3… is usually called Arabic numerals, not Latin.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::I like the "look" of the Roman numerals, which seems to be consistent with the past. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::OK. Let's stick with Roman, then, unless there's a significant objection. --
[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:17, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::: I OBJECT (significantly). It's been hundreds upon hundreds of years since the end of the Roman Empire and I say we do away with ROman Numerals once and for all, and what better place to start than Battlestar wiki! 'End of the Romans! End of the Romans!' --[[jxh487]]

:::::Let's be radical and start using numbers from [http://it.stlawu.edu/~dmelvill/mesomath/Numbers.html Ancient Babylonian Cuneiform]. (just kidding). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 20:11, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::As I noted On Nicholas Tyrol's Talk page, episodes (and webisdes) are typically numbered in Arabic Numeral (1, 2, 3, etc) and Parts are typically numbered in Roman Numerals (I, II, III, etc) and what are called Parts are usually Story Names (Home Pts I & II, Kobol's Last Gleamin Pts I & II, etc). But the webisodes have been called episodes of the web series The Resistance and though they are much smaller and have a single storyline, they are in fact still called episodes of the web series Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance. Under this light, they should follow an episode convention and be numbered in Arabic Numerals (1, 2, 3, etc). --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 21:51, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Length ==
I just did the math, and the webisodes (using our approximated times) add up to exactly 25 minutes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 16:14, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== "Traitor" ==
"In particular the webisodes chronicle [[Duck]]'s and [[Jammer]]'s motivations to become suicide bomber and traitor respectively."
The word "traitor" is judgemental, too imbued with negative connotations, and, most importantly, a matter of the point of view. That's why I generally get annoyed with people using it. As Garak in "Deep Space 9" would say: "Treason, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder". Therefore I have changed it to "collaborator", which might be mostly used in a ngative connotation, but it is still more neutral and describes the situation more accurately.
[[User:FrakkinToasterLover|FrakkinToasterLover]]

Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

2008-01-02T18:40:01Z

FrakkinToasterLover:

:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance," which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''
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| UK airdate= Not yet available in the UK<ref name="SkyOneWebisodes">"Unfortunately it seems like these webisodes are exclusives to scifi.com and Sky don't have any publishing rights to them just yet. We are working to acquire these sorts of extras but it's a work in progress..." - Sky One forum Administrator 09-07-2006</ref>
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}}'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' is an online series that aims to fill in the gaps between seasons [[Season 2 (2005-06)|two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. The webisodes can be viewed through the official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/ web portal] at [http://www.scifi.com/ SciFi.com]. An official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html FAQ] deals with availability and technical issues.

The webisode series was written by ''Battlestar Galactica'' veterans [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is 25 minutes long in total, divided into 10 episodes. While the Webisodes are scheduled to be included in the [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 1 DVD)|Season 3 (Region 1 DVD)]] Boxset, they were not included in the [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 2 DVD)|Season 3 (Region 2 DVD)]] version.

In particular the webisodes chronicle [[Duck]]'s and [[Jammer]]'s motivations to become suicide bomber and collaborator respectively.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===
* Running time: ~3:19
* Release date: September 5, 2006
* Starts on the 67th day after [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]

Tyrol and Tigh organize the budding resistance movement on Cylon-occupied New Caprica, but they find recruiting new soldiers is becoming dangerous and difficult. The Cylons have instituted a curfew. Violators go to jail, which is the first thing the Cylons built on [[New Caprica]]. New Capricans are shot on the spot if weapons are found in their tents. A stash of weapons belonging to [[Longo]] was confiscated by the Cylons, but the resistance was able to retrieve some of them which were hidden underneath his latrine. The Cylons are also setting up a [[New Caprica Police|human police force]] to take over for the [[Cylon Centurion]]s, who are doing most of the police work.

===Episode 2===
*Running time: ~1:54
*Release date: September 7, 2006
[[Duck]] has refused to work with the resistance, on the grounds of his relationship and intended child with [[Nora]]. Tyrol is highly displeased at this, particularly his reasons, as they parallel Tyrol's own situation; Jammer suggests respecting Duck's decision.

A ritual for protection of the crops from blight is said in the temple. As Sister [[Tivenan]] leaves, [[Jean Barolay]] abruptly shifts the conversation to the movement of the weapons stash into the [[temple]]; [[Jammer]] strongly objects, but he is overruled by Tigh.

===Episode 3===
*Running time: ~2:42
*Release date: September 12, 2006

In the evening, Nora prays to [[Aphrodite]] to bless she and Duck with a child. He tells her his decision about joining the resistance. She is pleased that he refused Tyrol.

During the night, Tigh, Tyrol, Jammer, and Barolay move the weapons into the temple disguising them.

The next morning, Nora wakes Duck saying he will be late to work. She tries to convince him to go to temple after work with her. He refuses, saying he talks to the gods in his own way.

===Episode 4===
*Running time: ~1:57
*Release date: September 14, 2006

[[Cally]] and [[Nora]] visit the temple. Nora is holding Cally's baby while Cally is performing a ceremony. At that moment [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] can be heard outside, and a [[Number Five]] announces that they will enter the temple. Several men try to block them, but the Cylons force their way in and gunfire can be seen and heard. While trying to run away Cally falls to the ground protecting her baby, but Nora is shot and killed when she tries to retrieve her bag.

===Episode 5===
*Running time: ~1:56
*Release date: September 19, 2006

Tyrol, Cally and Jammer return Nora's bag to Duck, and inform him about the death of Nora. Duck is physically sickened by the news. He becomes angry and demands to know if there were weapons in the temple. Tyrol tries to avoid the question, but Duck doesn't relent until Tyrol admits the truth. At that point, Duck orders them out of his tent.

===Episode 6===
*Running time: ~1:37
*Release date: September 21, 2006
Three days after the attack on the temple, Tigh, Barolay, and Jammer discuss the results of the attack, which has brought about positive effects for the resistance. The general population has started to side with the resistance and 1,000 people protested outside ''[[Colonial One]]'' over the attack on the temple. Since the attack, recruitment has become easier with 150 Colonials signing up. Tigh thinks that this was a good deal because the loss of a few weapons was worth the propaganda victory. However, Jammer is upset that the loss of 10 lives was not worth it. Tigh comes down hard on Jammer, stating that people die in war, nice people, and the resistance has no room for crybabies.

===Episode 7===
*Running time: ~1:58
*Release date: September 26, 2006

[[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] discuss the capture of [[Jammer]] by the Cylons. Tyrol insists that Jammer won't reveal the work of the resistance. Jammer is imprisoned in the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and is visited by a [[Number Five]], who frees him of his bonds and says he wants to talk to him about what happened in the temple.

===Episode 8===
*Running time: ~3:56
*Release date: September 28, 2006
[[Number Five]] proposes to [[Jammer]] that the massacre at the [[temple]] may have actually been planned by the [[Resistance]]. Number Five reminds Jammer of the good that has been accomplished by working together in peace. He offers Jammer the chance to stop further bloodshed by informing the [[Cylons]] of potentially life-threatening actions by the Resistance. Jammer balks at the idea of becoming a [[New Caprica Police|traitor]] to the Resistance, but accepts a key card which will let him enter the Cylon detention center to report the Resistance's secret plans if he chooses to become an informant.

===Episode 9===
*Running time: ~3:07
*Release date: October 3, 2006
[[James Lyman|Jammer]] is released from the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and is met outside by [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]. Tyrol notes that he was informed of Jammer's arrest by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]], and then asks him what he told the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Jammer nervously explains that the Toasters questioned him about the [[temple]] massacre. Jammer reassures Tyrol that he did not tell the Cylons anything, but Tyrol appears doubtful.

Meanwhile, [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] returns to his tent and begins to clean up the mess from his earlier outburst. He bursts into tears while gathering up a broken picture frame and an icon of the [[Lords of Kobol]].

===Episode 10===
*Running time: ~4:34
*Release date: October 5, 2006
After the [[dedication ceremony]] for [[Galen Tyrol|Galen]] and [[Cally Tyrol]]'s [[Nicholas Tyrol|son]], [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] approaches Tyrol in the [[temple]]. Duck informs Tyrol that he has joined the [[New Caprica Police]], in hopes of finding out who tipped the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] off and is responsible for [[Nora]]'s death.

Afterwards, Tyrol meets in the backroom with [[Saul Tigh]], [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and [[Jean Barolay]] to discuss their next move against the Cylons. Tigh suggests hiding explosives in the grain silo, which Jammer points out is across from the hospital. When Tigh shows a lack of concern for the patients' safety, Jammer excuses himself "to patrol the perimeter."

Outside, Duck is smoking and examining his new NCP patch. He puts it away when Jammer comes out, and the two friends share a smoke together. Jammer notices that Duck said he was going to quit, to which Duck says "What frakking difference does it make now?" and leaves. Once alone, Jammer sits quietly, and reaches into his pocket to find the Cylon device [[Number Five]] gave him. 

== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads".
[[Image:Chinese_characters.png|thumb|300px|The Chinese Characters behind Tyrol in Webisode 7]]
*Three [[Wikipedia:Chinese character|Chinese characters]] can be seen on a crate behind Tyrol at around 2:10 (in the countdown-style timer used by the SciFi.com Video Player) in the seventh episode. They are "盐", "油" and "姜", meaning "salt", "oil" and "ginger" (all cooking ingredients), respectively.
*Currently, for legal reasons, attempting to view the webisodes from outside of the USA will present you with a frozen video player stating either of two messages:
** "Your video will begin playing after a brief advertisement.", a message typically meaning that a brief video ad will play before the playback of the selected video.
** "We're sorry, but the clip selected isn't available from your location. Please select another clip." (if the user opens the video on Sci Fi's Pulse website)
:Users outside of America will have to wait until a DVD release, television broadcast, or some other legal means becomes available to view them. To date, the current, bare-bones DVD releases of season three do not have "The Resistance" content.
* In the sixth episode, Tigh states that 20 billion humans were "burned" by the Cylons. He also uses a new slang term for Centurions, "chrome jobs." This is likely inspired by the [[Caprica Resistance]]'s calling [[humanoid Cylon]]s "skin jobs".
*[[Number Five]] uses Jammer's real name for the first time: [[James Lyman]].
*Other ideas discussed were a day in the life of Doctor Cottle, Gaeta working in Baltar's administration and the domestic life of the Tyrols ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three]]).

== Analysis ==
*Jammer is unsurprised to hear that [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] have been speaking. Apparently they have resumed some sort of contact since the occupation. How does this sit with other members of the resistance?

== Questions ==
* Who tipped off the Cylons?

== Official Statements ==

When ''[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive3#Webisode series|Battlestar Wiki asked Bradley Thompson]]'' about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

"Nora is played by Emily Holmes. Longo is spelled the way you have it." -- contents of September 5, 2006 message from [[Bradley Thompson]]

"When they initially came to us we could have done just vignettes, and in fact the the staff thought of that approach to the webisodes. But when Brad and I got the assignment we thought, 'Let's just tell one story.' Network wanted it to play into the third season, so that gave us the inspiration to chronicle events that would pay off in the third season... [I remember Ron Moore saying] 'SciFi's ready to do it; they're ready to pay for them. You guys are doing it. Unless you don't want to. Have a story the day after tomorrow.' In a day or two Brad and I came up with the concept and a day after that we pitched them to SciFi. We wrote them in four days or something like that, and shot them the next week... The massacre in the temple has temp tracks we were going to loop and fix and make a lot better, but because we were forbidden to work on them anymore they went out as is. Of course people complained when they watched them and it just made us cringe because we very much wanted to correct that." -- David Weddle in a October 2, 2006 interview with [http://www.chud.com CHUD.com].

"We said that we wanted a story that goes about a half hour -- we wanted ten three minute things. Then it was like where does it naturally feel like we're going to get something exciting you're going to want to see more of in future webisode... They told us was that we could have anybody that was in Canada. All of our Canadian actors... Duck and Jammer perform actions in those episodes. Ron, when he wrote those, hinted at what put the characters in place to do those things and we thought, 'There's the story.'" -- Bradley Thompson in a October 2, 2006 interview with [http://www.chud.com CHUD.com].

"We came up with the idea of telling one story over the couse of ten webisodes that will fill in the motivations of some peripheral characters who nevertheless play pivotal roles in the opening episodes of Season 3. We wanted to tell the story of Duck and Jammer, who had become close friends while on New Caprica, and show how a single tragic event -- the temple massacre -- propels them on divergent paths toward actions that will affect the outcome of the battle to liberate the human race." -- David Weddle in a October 5, 2006 interview with [http://www.syfyportal.com SyFy Portal].

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

In an interview covering the WGA picket line on November 6, 2007, [[Ron D. Moore]] indicated that NBC-Universal had wanted to produce a series of online webisodes, but didn't want to pay anyone for it, seeing as they considered such things as promotional material and were not actually covered under the Writers Guild of America contract. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out.

Initially refusing to do them, Moore and NBC-Uni hammered out a deal whereby people would be paid.<ref name="eonline">{{cite_web|url=http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=117e4468-9709-4b35-8f4d-dcefa652fc3e|title=Strikewatch: TV's Bosses Walk the Line—and We're There|date=7 November 2007|accessdate=8 November 2007|last=Dos Santos|first=Kristin|format=|language=}}</ref> According to [[Bradley Thompson]], the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work" after but no long-term resolution was ever reached. However, while the deal for payment was made, Moore was later told that they wouldn't be credited for their work, and refused to hand over the episodes based on that fact.<ref name="eonline"/>

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week (in much the same fashion as the [[Razor Flashbacks]] that precede the airing of "[[Razor]]"), for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a the aforementioned labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC-Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes, despite the fact that they were mostly completed.

The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC-Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. By August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC-Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC-Uni for distribution online. NBC-Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were taken by NBC-Uni, who did not resolve the issue of crediting the writers or people who produced the webisodes.<ref name="eonline"/> Thus Ron Moore took it upon himself to credit the people responsible via his blog on the official SCIFI Channel website.

The first of ten webisodes were released on Tuesday, September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments were released every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''From [[#Episode 1|Episode One]], Tigh and Tyrol discuss the remains of Longo's weapons cache:''

: '''[[Saul Tigh]]''': This is all that's left? This is frakkin' pathetic. This keeps up, we'll have nothing but rocks left to throw [[Cylons (RDM)|at the bastards]].
: '''[[Galen Tyrol]]''': Yeah, and nobody to throw them.

* ''From Episode 1, Tigh tells Lyman to be more forceful in recruiting Clellan:
: '''[[James Lyman]]''': [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] hates the toasters, no doubt about that.
: '''Saul Tigh:''' He's also an ex-[[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] jock with 40 kills. Talk to him. Make him understand that we need him. Throw in some poetic crap about the struggle for liberty against the Cylon oppressors—whatever it takes! (Lyman exchanges looks with Tyrol) We need more people or this resistance movement is gonna die in its crib.

* ''From [[#Episode 6|Episode Six]]:''

:'''[[Jammer]]''': What about the ten innocent people? Why don't you tell [[Duck]] what a bargain you got for Nora's life?
:'''[[Saul Tigh]]''': You got that ass-backwards, sonny. We didn't shoot those people, the chrome jobs did...
:'''Jammer''': Because we hid weapons there!
:'''Tigh''': Hey! We're not playing pattycake here. These bastards burned up [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|twenty billion]] of us, you gonna say that's our fault, too? Instead of bawlin' like a little girl, you should focus on getting some payback.
:'''Jammer''': Is that all this is about to you? Blood for blood?
:'''Tigh''': We're at war! War is messy! People get killed—good people, nice people. Get that through your head, or get out! We don't need any cry-babies in this outfit.

== Cast ==
These are listed in the order they appeared during the 10 episodes.

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
|-
| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Tyrol]]
| 1
|
|
| 4
| 5
|
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
|
| 7
|
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
|
|
|
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Dominic Zamprogna]]
| [[James Lyman|Jammer]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
| 6
| 7
| 8
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Michael Hogan]]
| [[Saul Tigh]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
|
| 6
| 7
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[Emily Holmes]]
| [[Nora]]
| 1
|
| 3
| 4
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[Alisen Down]]
| [[Jean Barolay]]
|
| 2
| 3
|
|
| 6
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[Carmen Moore]]
| [[Tivenan|Sister Tivenan]]
|
| 2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[Matthew Bennett]]
| [[Number Five]]
|
|
|
|
|
|
| 7
| 8
|
|
|}

== Crew ==
In his September 6th 2006 [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/09/#a001251 official blog post], [[Ronald D. Moore]] recognized all the crew involved in the production of the webisodes.

Director: [[Wayne Rose]].
Writers: [[Bradley Thompson]] & [[David Weddle]].
Executive Producers: [[Ron D. Moore]] and [[David Eick]].
Producer: [[Harvey Frand]].
Co-Producers: Bradley Thompson & David Weddle.
Producer, Post Production work: [[imdb:nm0502735|Paul Leonard]].
Director of Photography: John Drake.
Editors: [[Michael O'Halloran]], Tim Kinzy, Ian Kezbaum, and Harry Jierjian.
Music: [[Bear McCreary]].

Visual Effects Supervisor: [[Gary Hutzel]].
Unit Production Manager: Boris Ivanov.
First Assistant Directors: Shirley-Anne Parsons and Alexia Droz.
Second Assistant Director: Mindy Heslin.
Set Costumes Supervisor: Keith Parent.
Make-up Artist: Ankara Eden.
Second Assistant, Make-up: Liz Raman Nair.
First Assistant, Hair Stylist: Jamie McKay.
Prop Assistants: Glenn Hilworth, Gerry Thompson, and Robert Stecky.
Sound Mixer: Mark Noda.

Boom Operators: Keith Henderson and Tony Wyman.
First Assistant Camera: Shannon Abbott.
Digital Imaging Technician: Tracy Sim.
Gaffer: Guy Patterson.
Best Boy, Electric: Paul Bougie.
Genny Operator: Murray Chysyk.
Lamp Operator: Blair McDonald.
Key Grip: Mark Leiterman.
Best Boy Grips: Dave McKinlay and Ron Baran.
Script Supervisor: Carol Green-Lundy.
Medic and Craft Services: Tim Gunderson.

''Battlestar Galactica'' Main Title Theme by [[Richard Gibbs]].

Scoring and Orchestral Engineer: Steve Kaplan.
Music Editor: Michael Baber.
Special Effects Coordinators: Al Collis and Kevin Andruschak.

Studio Executive: Richard Rothstein.
Studio Executive in Charge of Production: Todd Sharp.
Network Executives: [[IMDB:nm2303904|Mark Stern]] and Erik Storey.

====Dedication====

Ron D. Moore added a special dedication to the credits:

<blockquote>''All of the above people worked above and beyond the call of duty to deliver these Webisodes to you and they did it while also working to deliver the regular episodes of the third season. They did it without any template of how these things were to be done and they did it in defiance of a limited budget and a extraordinarily truncated shooting schedule.''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''I'm proud of them and proud of their work. I hope you'll agree.''</blockquote>

== References ==
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{{sourcebox|One Million Streams}}
{{sourcebox|Audio Analysis of Episode 9}}

 

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