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Joel Anderson Thompson

2006-10-20T06:00:53Z

Elach:

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[[Image:Anonymous.png|thumb|Joel Anderson Thompson]]
== Overview ==

'''Full Name''': Joel Anderson Thompson

'''D.O.B''':

'''Position''': Writer

== Biographical Notes ==
Joel Anderson Thompson is a TV story editor and writer who, besides BSG, has worked on ''House, M.D.'', and ''Boomtown''. <ref> [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/imdb/imdb_frame.jsp?pagetype=name&page=/name/nm1403671/ The Hollywood Reporter] </ref>

While working as story editor on the first season of ''House, M.D.,'' Thompson wrote an episode called "Histories," about a sick homeless woman, which has the distinction of being one of the very few episodes of the series in which Dr. Gregory House does not cure the patient and she dies.

== Writer credits for "Battlestar Galactica" ==
*Season 2:
**[[Epiphanies]]
''See also: [[:Category:Episodes written by Joel Anderson Thompson|Episodes written by Joel Anderson Thompson]]''

== External Links ==
{{imdb name|id=1403671|name=Joel Anderson Thompson}}

== References ==
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[[Category:A to Z|Thompson, Joel Anderson]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes|Thompson, Joel Anderson]]
[[Category:Crew|Thompson, Joel Anderson]]
[[Category:Directors|Thompson, Joel Anderson]]
[[Category:Writers|Thompson, Joel Anderson]]
[[Category:RDM|Thompson, Joel Anderson]]

User talk:Elach

2006-09-06T07:34:45Z

Elach: /* Re: Occupation */

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
Welcome to the Wiki, Elach. Feel free to tell us about yourself on [[User:Elach|your user page]]. Before you get started on other edits, please read the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions]], which details the policies we use in editing pages (this differs from many other wikis in consistent use of phrasing, abbreviations, format, and the like).

Also, if you have any questions or suggestions you wish to offer, please feel free to do so either on your user talk page, the [[Battlestar Wiki:Wikipedian Quorum|Wikipedian Quorum]] or [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Administrators' noticeboard]]. Remember to sign your posts on any talk pages using four tildes (~~~~)! We look forward to your contributions to the community!
--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 03:16, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Re [[Tom Zarek]]==

On the Tom Zarek article, please give a reason behind reverts. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:27, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

Sir: Here is what I wrote in the discussion section for that article:

== No evidence that Zarek convinced Baltar to run for prez ==

I know of no evidence in the show that supports the following statement:

"...Zarek decides not to run against her because he realizes he probably won't win the election...but he decides that there's someone else that might be able to unseat Roslin, vice president Gaius Baltar. Zarek manages to talk vice president Gauis Baltar into running in his place..."

As far as the scenes actually broadcast in the show are concerned, Baltar makes his decision to run for the presidency entirely on his own, probably on the spur of the moment at Roslin's press conference, and never with any prior consultation with Zarek. It is not the case that Zarek "manages to talk" Baltar into "running in his place..." The above statement imagines more contrivance on Zarek's part than is supported by the facts.

---- Elach
:I'd reccomend pulling it from the article into the talk page. Nobody appears to be citing any podcast/etc. material for that line, so it should be grounded in the aired content cited. If it isn't, then it doesn't belong. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:52, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== Execllent Work! ==

Good work with the expansion of hard to find biographies! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 02:52, 15 July 2006 (CDT)

== [[BW:CITETEM]] ==

The ciation templates have been fisnhed. Check them over so you can see how to use them and how they are supposed to be used for websites and such. {{tl|cite web}} is a good place to start. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:26, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

==Tattoo==
The tattoo on Katee Sackhoff's left arm is of a crucifix and during the show is always covered up, eg in [[The Farm]] her arm is covered in bandages. Did the magazine explicitly state information about the tattoo or is it just speculation? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:35, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

==Apology==

In the virtual world, an apology and admittance of wrong are rare and precious things. We all could learn for it. Thank you. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:14, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

== Re: [[Occupation]] ==

The epsiode is not aired so how can a summary be generated. I have reverted your edit. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 01:48, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:You haven't even seen my references yet. Aren't your edits premature?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 01:52, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::Maybe, but if the references cite rumors or annymous information they are disquified under the [[BW:CITE]] policy. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 01:58, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::But I didn't post the references yet, so you couldn't know. Do you always edit before people finish typing?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 02:34, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Occupation/Archive 1

2006-09-06T07:31:17Z

Elach: /* Bear McCreary's Words in his blog */

Could you say wher this info has come from? --[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 17:16, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

==Tigh's Eyes==
The quote: Tigh closes his eye, trying not to slide into hopelessness…" really doesn't infer that Colonel Tigh's eys (I like the way that sounds) are injured, it simply sounds more expressing the feeling by closing his eyes. I have no idea how anybody gets that his eyes are injuried by this and so the reference on the article page would be better off moved to the discussion page. -- [[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 20:51, 13 Apr 2006 (PST)

:Look, I know that and I agree with you, but if people are rumor-mongering based on this comment, I think the least we can do is tell them where the notion came from. You'll see that I reworded the comment somewhat when I restored it - I hope it's absolutely clear that this is purely conjectural. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:52, 13 April 2006 (CDT)
::I think the reason for the assumption is that it says "Tigh closes his '''eye'''," as in singular. It could just be a typo in the original source though. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:56, 13 April 2006 (CDT)

"''Yes, it does, but this is now a widespread rumor, and as a reference source, we have an obligation to address its source factually.)''" Peter, you didn't provide a source when you added the info back. I realize we might as well mention something, if GalacticaStation and Gateworld are, because even if they are wrong it's out of our hands, but you realize that with the whole "it's a widespread rumor" justification....if *we* report it, we *make* it a widespread rumor. People see it here, and think this adds even more weight behind the rumor. We need to tag these things with a sentence along the lines of "no reliably sourced basis for these spoiler's accuracy", etc. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:38, 14 April 2006 (CDT)
:Do you mean the source for the rumor outside of the wiki? I asked Kahran to provide this on [[Talk:Precipice]], but he hasn't done so. It's been brought up several times on TWOP: [http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3122121&view=findpost&p=4939468], [http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3122121&view=findpost&p=4940506], [http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3122121&view=findpost&p=4958240], [http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3122121&view=findpost&p=4970887]. I'm sure you've seen this elsewhere as well. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:13, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

::Yes, so we need something in clear bold font that says "This has been reported but we have no idea if it is true". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 01:47, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

:::I think the current phrasing makes that pretty clear. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 09:28, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

::::It wasn't clear at all. I added a little warning for clarification. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:42, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

:::::I think we were talking about different things. Your clarification was appropriate. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:45, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

::::::Thanks, I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers. I mean, as you saw, I was trying to figure out how to handle this...''rumor'' days before Gateworld even reported it! Haha --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:05, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

I am your god! unconfirmed production draft for "Occupation" http://www.nowcasting.com/sides/Episodic/BATTLESTAR%20GALACTICA/301%20Occupation/Selloi_Dedona_4pgs.pdf - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 15th April 2006
:Exactly; this was online some days before Gateworld heard of it: how do we know it's real? How do we have any idea who started it? Moreover, how do we have any idea that the script has not been radically changed this then? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:00, 14 April 2006 (CDT)
:Um, we already had that linked... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:21, 14 April 2006 (CDT)
::Yes. False prophet!--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:29, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

I am your god! ....still... honestly didn't realise that, oh well- [[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]]

==Spoilers/speculation==
I'm not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere and I applogise if it has but why are we putting speculation on forthcoming episodes on this page, and subsequent S3 pages? Why don't we have a separate section for speculation and leave these pages for the FACTS. --[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 03:18, 18 April 2006 (CDT)
:We put the facts here, then educated analysis of the facts here, so people can see them more easily. Otherwise they might get skipped over. That's what we've been doing before. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:29, 18 April 2006 (CDT)

==Casting Side==

Joe, may I assume that the information gleaned from the casting side was removed in accordance with the new spoiler policy, and not by accident? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:25, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

==Bear McCreary's Words in his blog==

I am not going to revert back again, but I don't see how "season premiere" as he states it means that episodes 1 and 2 are being played back-to-back. The season premiere is always the 1st episode regardless if it's a 1st part of a 2 parter. Merv, I think you are overinpreting his words. It could mean 1 and 2 being played back-to-back but it could mean episode 1 is 2 hrs long. That's why I think that the original wording should be used because there is ambigouity there. And besides, I may be wrong, my understanding is that the midseason break is supposed to be after episode 10 on Decembter 8th and it will take 10 episodes starting from October 6th when the 1st episode is to air. Anyways, I think the original quote is best used rather than interpretation. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 16:48, 16 July 2006 (PDT)
:I really think he meant "premiere" as in "the day/event starting the season". If episode 1 is 2 hours long....there are 10 episodes in Season 3.0 (this has been confirmed), so they'd just break it up later: this happens all the time on scifi shows, I mean DS9; "Emissary" and "The Way of the Warrior", or TNG's "All Good Things..." are "two episodes" each, but first aired back to back. No, "The Way of the Warrior" was the "season premiere" but it was a 2 part episode, aired back to back. --->Basically, if "episode 1 is 2 hours long"....that means that it is in fact episode 1 and 2, aired together; I mean think about it logically what the studio does; we have 90 minute specials ever and anon, but why ''wouldn't'' they just refer to this as 2 episodes? --->Further, yes, we have no idea when the mid-season break is. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:04, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
::Point taken. But it's always safer to go with the written word in cases like this because a trend doesn't necessarily indicate fact. If LYBDII had infact been 2 hrs long as RDM had initially thought, then would it have been LDYBII & LDYBIII played back-to-back? I don't think. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:16, 17 July 2006 (PDT)
:::Yes, if Lay Down Your Burdens II had been 2 hours long, in all subsequent airings it would have been broken into 2 episodes and called "Lay Down Your Burdens, Parts II and III". ---->But really, this Season 3 thing is just like what happened when BSG premiered in America: "33" and "Water" aired the same night back to back, but they're actually not one big episode and in the UK, they were even aired a week apart. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:13, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I didn't know that. I watched much of season 1 postmordem or by iTunes. Well, it'll be nice to get 2 episodes at the beginning after the 6 months off but the story arc is supposed to be 3 episodes long so it will hurt just as much. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 10:59, 17 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::I'm sorry I should have pointed it out right away; yeah they've done that before, with 33 and Water, is what I meant (plus lots of other shows air 2 hour premieres that are really 2 part episodes). To be honest I don't think Water worked very well as a standalone episode, and it was for the best that they just added it on to 33 like that: originally I actually thought they were meant as a 2 parter, though they're not exactly (much of season 1 is serialized and very arc-heavy and you have to watch in order, but it's not really "part 2 of 2". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:20, 17 July 2006 (CDT)

== Sourcing Rules ==
I wonder if the desire to be "authoritative" here at Battlestar Wiki isn't getting twisted and perverted. We know a lot about Season 3 that is somehow not getting into print. For instance, we have photos of some episodes, casting "sides" from some of the scripts, and comments from some of the participants that amount to a pretty clear picture of some of the major plot points of the first few episodes, yet we are not writing what we clearly KNOW because the episodes have not aired and anything would therefore be "speculative." THIS IS RIDICULOUS. These are tougher sourcing rules than they have at the ''New York Times'' and the ''Washington Post'', and let's face it, that is now what people are coming to us for. They want to know what is going on with their favorite show, and god knows we have spoiler warnings everywhere to protect those who don't want to know. Most major newspapers have the "three source rule," which means all or part of what you write needs to be covered by three independent sources. We have that in many cases but are sitting on our hands and not writing the info. The "overview" section we do have for the episodes is not really an overview but a collection of speculation from various sources. If Ron Moore said something at a conference three months ago, we treat it as a grand pronouncement ex cathedra even though three months is a long time and a lot of things can change in TV at the last moment. But we have photos of scenes shot (and published!) and we are not writing what is clearly in them. Something is very screwed up here. No journalistic or editorial operation should be operating this way, being so skittish and chicken s--t about things that any reasonable person can conclude are true. We are a month from the start of Season 3, and Battlestar Wiki is lagging way behind other sources, on the Web and elsewhere, about what will be happening in the new season. We need to grow some brass ones, and write what we know. The whole rest of the world is writing about what will be happening starting Oct. 6. We have decided to wait until after it happens. That's not authoritative; that's stupid. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 02:31, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

User talk:Elach

2006-09-06T06:52:40Z

Elach: /* Re: Occupation */

Occupation

2006-09-06T06:41:43Z

Elach: /* Summary */

{{spoiler}}

{{Episode Data
| title= Occupation
| season= 3
| episode= 1
| guests= [[Amanda Plummer]] as [[Oracle Selloi]]
| writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]
| story=
| director= [[Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-06
| UK airdate=
| population= ?
| prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next= [[Precipice]]
}}

== Overview ==
*In an [http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss interview] with the Seattle Times, Ron Moore has confirmed that the first episode of season three will not take place immediately after the previous season finale (like "[[Scattered]]" did), but skip ahead a few more months to when the Cylon occupation is in full swing, and an insurgency has already developed.

*According to an [http://media20a.libsyn.com/m3efeMh2bXXEfWl7l3dtpmemYHLH/podcasts/podcast411/411_060531.mp3 interview] with [[Ron Moore]] from May 31st, [[Wikipedia:Amanda Plummer|Amanda Plummer]] will guest star in the season 3 premiere.

*According to series composer [[Bear McCreary]]'s [http://www.bearmccreary.com/ official website] blog, the first two episodes of season 3 will premiere back-to-back as a two hour TV movie
**This was further confirmed in Ron Moore's blog on [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ July 27th, 2006]:
::"As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "[[Exodus, Part I]]"."

*"Occupation" and "Precipice" are now one "super episode": "Occupation" is "Episode 1", and "Precipice" is "Episode 1.5", followed by "Exodus, Part I", which is considered to be "Episode 2", and so on for all subsequent episodes.

*According to Ron Moore at the BSG Comic-Con panel, "Occupation" takes place 4 months after the Cylon occupation began at the end of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".

== Summary ==
[[Image:Oracle.selloi.dedona.jpg|thumb|right|The oracle Selloi Dedona on New Caprica ([[Occupation]])]]The human oracle [[Selloi Dedona]] tells the Cylon Model [[Number Three]] that [[Hera]], the half-human, half-Cylon offspring of Helo and Caprica-Sharon did not die shortly after birth, as was widely thought.

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]

Occupation

2006-09-06T06:40:26Z

Elach: /* Summary */

{{spoiler}}

{{Episode Data
| title= Occupation
| season= 3
| episode= 1
| guests= [[Amanda Plummer]] as [[Oracle Selloi]]
| writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]
| story=
| director= [[Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-06
| UK airdate=
| population= ?
| prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next= [[Precipice]]
}}

== Overview ==
*In an [http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss interview] with the Seattle Times, Ron Moore has confirmed that the first episode of season three will not take place immediately after the previous season finale (like "[[Scattered]]" did), but skip ahead a few more months to when the Cylon occupation is in full swing, and an insurgency has already developed.

*According to an [http://media20a.libsyn.com/m3efeMh2bXXEfWl7l3dtpmemYHLH/podcasts/podcast411/411_060531.mp3 interview] with [[Ron Moore]] from May 31st, [[Wikipedia:Amanda Plummer|Amanda Plummer]] will guest star in the season 3 premiere.

*According to series composer [[Bear McCreary]]'s [http://www.bearmccreary.com/ official website] blog, the first two episodes of season 3 will premiere back-to-back as a two hour TV movie
**This was further confirmed in Ron Moore's blog on [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ July 27th, 2006]:
::"As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "[[Exodus, Part I]]"."

*"Occupation" and "Precipice" are now one "super episode": "Occupation" is "Episode 1", and "Precipice" is "Episode 1.5", followed by "Exodus, Part I", which is considered to be "Episode 2", and so on for all subsequent episodes.

*According to Ron Moore at the BSG Comic-Con panel, "Occupation" takes place 4 months after the Cylon occupation began at the end of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".

== Summary ==
The human oracle [[Selloi Dedona]] tells the Cylon Model [[Number Three]] that [[Hera]], the half-human, half-Cylon offspring of Helo and Caprica-Sharon did not die shortly after birth, as was widely thought. [[Image:Oracle.selloi.dedona.jpg|thumb|right|The oracle Selloi Dedona on New Caprica ([[Occupation]])]]

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]

Battlestar Wiki:Tutorial (Editing)

2006-09-06T06:19:00Z

Elach: /* Selloi Dedona */

{{Project|Tutorial|image=BSG WIKI Tutorial.png|shortcut=BW:T BW:TUT}}

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'''Editing''' pages is one of the most basic ways to have fun with a Mediawiki.

== Editing pages ==
We'll start with the most basic Wiki feature of all: Edit this page. With the exception of a few protected pages, every wiki page has a link at the top that says "'''edit this page'''" (sometimes it is just labeled "Edit"). This link lets you do exactly what it says: edit the page you're looking at. Sites such as these where anyone can edit anything are known as '''wikis'''.

Try it! In a new window, open this page's [[BW:SAND|sandbox]], and then click the "'''edit this page'''" link (Caution: '''DO NOT''' press the "Edit" or "edit this page" button or link above). You'll see the wiki code for this page. Add something unique that you can take pride in. Then save it and see what you've done. Check out the Mediawiki markup code [[BW:MARK|here]]. ''You might want to open this in a new window, too, so you can carry on with the tutorial.''

== Show preview ==
An important feature to start using now is '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Show preview|show preview]]''', which allows you to see what the page will look like after your edit, even before you save. '''Try''' making an edit in the [[BW:SAND|sandbox]], then clicking the show preview button. We all make mistakes, and this lets you catch them immediately. If you make a habit of using Show Preview before saving, you'll save yourself and other editors a lot of trouble. It also lets you try out format changes without actually changing the article until you're satisfied.

This is especially important if you think you may be making other edits on the page. It is a good idea to just Save once, to keep the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Page history|page history]] uncluttered. Saving less often is also a way of avoiding [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Edit conflict|edit conflict]]s, which occur when two editors try to change a page at the same time. However, when you change large amounts of text you should consider doing this in successive steps (e.g. one paragraph at a time) so that others can follow your edits easily.

The only other important thing to remember is: save your preview before moving on. A common mistake is to click to the preview page, read through it, and then click on through to other pages and forget to ever go back and save your changes. Certainly you should click through links you've added to make sure they go where you expect, but click Back immediately, and save your original edit.

== Minor changes ==
If you are logged in as a registered user, you can mark an edit as [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Minor edit|minor]] by checking the appropriate box before you save. This is used to show others that your edit is not something substantive. There's no strict guideline on when to do this, but certainly spelling corrections and minor format changes like adding a space or a wikilink are considered minor edits. In other words, changing the presentation is generally minor, but changing the content is ''not''. When in doubt, don't mark the box. For a more detailed discussion, see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Minor edit|minor edit]]'''.'''

== Edit summary ==
Before you hit Save, it's considered good practice to enter a very brief summary of your changes in the "[[Wikipedia:Edit summary|Edit summary]]" box between the edit window and the Save and Preview buttons. It can be quite terse; for example if you just enter "typo," people will know you made a minor spelling or punctuation correction, or some other small change. Keep in mind that people '''do''' read these (so don't assume that it won't be noticed), but not everybody reads them. So if you need to be sure somebody sees something make sure to leave it on the appropriate discussion page.

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[[Category:Wikipedia tutorial|*1]]

Battlestar Wiki:Tutorial (Editing)

2006-09-06T06:17:52Z

Elach: /* New Sections */

{{Project|Tutorial|image=BSG WIKI Tutorial.png|shortcut=BW:T BW:TUT}}

{{tutorial}}

__NOTOC__

'''Editing''' pages is one of the most basic ways to have fun with a Mediawiki.

== Editing pages ==
We'll start with the most basic Wiki feature of all: Edit this page. With the exception of a few protected pages, every wiki page has a link at the top that says "'''edit this page'''" (sometimes it is just labeled "Edit"). This link lets you do exactly what it says: edit the page you're looking at. Sites such as these where anyone can edit anything are known as '''wikis'''.

Try it! In a new window, open this page's [[BW:SAND|sandbox]], and then click the "'''edit this page'''" link (Caution: '''DO NOT''' press the "Edit" or "edit this page" button or link above). You'll see the wiki code for this page. Add something unique that you can take pride in. Then save it and see what you've done. Check out the Mediawiki markup code [[BW:MARK|here]]. ''You might want to open this in a new window, too, so you can carry on with the tutorial.''

== Selloi Dedona ==
{{Character Data
|photo= Oracle.selloi.dedona.JPG
|age= Unknown
|colony= Unknown
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The human oracle who in is the first show ([[Occupation]]) of Season 3 tells the Cylon D'anna Bierrs that [[Hera]], the half-human, half-Cylon offspring of Helo and Caprica-Sharon did not die shortly after birth, as was generally thought, but indeed lives somewhere among the humans on New Caprica.

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T07:20:27Z

Elach: /* Overview */

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== Overview ==

'''Kerry Norton''' is the British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' (and then two subsequent episodes) where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. [[William Adama]]'s chest after he was shot at close range by the Cylon [[Sharon Valerii]]. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season where Ishay assisted [[Doctor Cottle]] in the delivery of the half-human baby of another iteration of the same Cylon model.

Norton is also the real-life wife of actor [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> “Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006 </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent on the show, Norton does not try to hide hers.

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== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T06:00:39Z

Elach: /* Overview */

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== Overview ==

'''Kerry Norton''' is the British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' (and then two subsequent episodes) where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. [[William Adama]]'s chest after he was shot at close range by the Cylon [[Sharon Valerii]]. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season where Ishay assisted [[Doctor Cottle]] in the delivery of the half-human baby of another iteration of the same Cylon model.

Norton is also the real-life wife of actor [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> “Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006 </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== References ==
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== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T05:53:39Z

Elach: /* Overview */

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== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is the British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' (and then two subsequent episodes) where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. [[William Adama]]'s chest after he was shot at close range by the Cylon [[Sharon Valerii]]. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season where Ishay assisted [[Doctor Cottle]] in the delivery of the half-human baby of another iteration of the same Cylon model.

Norton is also the real-life wife of actor [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> “Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006 </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== References ==
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== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T05:52:49Z

Elach: /* Overview */

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== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is the British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' (and then two subsequent episodes) where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. [[William Adama]]'s chest after he was shot at close range by the Cylon [[Sharon Valerii]]. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season where Ishay assisted [[Doctor Cottle]] in the delivery of the half-human baby of another iteration of the same Cylon model.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> “Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006 </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== References ==
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== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T05:52:30Z

Elach: /* Overview */

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== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is the British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' (and two subsequent episodes) where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. [[William Adama]]'s chest after he was shot at close range by the Cylon [[Sharon Valerii]]. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season where Ishay assisted [[Doctor Cottle]] in the delivery of the half-human baby of another iteration of the same Cylon model.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> “Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006 </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== References ==
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== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Talk:Season 3 (2006-07)/Archive 1

2006-09-05T05:51:29Z

Elach: /* Why No Photos? */

"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 Episode Titles: I would't consider tv.com an official source. Isn't it a wiki-style site where fans enter the info? --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 09:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
:Exactly. It's sort of a poor man's wiki: like IMDB, it relies on fan-submissions; it's not a "news source" like say, TV Guide Magazine. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:37, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::Why I didn't think about that? You are right. Black Market-Scar-Sacrifice was a series of crap episodes, (well, Scar was not that crap, but I didn't like it) but startnig with ''[[The Captain's Hand]]'' they made excellent quality of episodes again. If this is the cost for making good episodes, then I can wait a few more months. --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 05:23, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you should have held off on removing individuals' ranks because mostlikely because of their circumstances, ex-militaries would retain their title and rank after leaving the service much as was done in the American South for centuries. I plantation owner would be called Colonel because when he was younger he served in the army or militia as that rank even though he's been retired from duty for decades. In the colonial case, since as we see, there's always the chance of a cylon return, they'd probably maintain their last rank in the case of being called back into service. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 15 March 2006 (MST)

== Hero ==
Should there be a new page created for the the so-called episode "Hero" spoiled by David Eick during his interview on iFMagazine? He talked about a script relating to "a revelation about something truly egregious and illegal that Adama was guilty of doing during the days leading up to the attack, and how he has kept the revelation of that incident from rearing it’s head." There seems to be enough to start an episode page but he didn't say which episode it will be, whether it's one of the 1st 3 "trilogy", right after that, or later in the season. But he did in fact elude to it so I think it should be documented. I don't know. I thought maybe one of the more BSG Wiki Gurus could have a better idea of how to handle this. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 12 May 2006 (MST)
: As long as it comes from info cited by Eick himself, we're fine with that. What I would do is not worry about where the episode is placed in the chronology, and create the page. When more facts reveal themselves later on, we can worry about where exactly this piece of the puzzle should go, which is a minor detail in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::the order can always be fixed later. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:43, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

== Additional episodes of Season 3 ==

I may have found legitimate verification of the titles "Collaborators" and "Torn" for episodes 4 and 5 of season 3. On the website www.sidesexpress.com(this site is for Agents and Managers), a subsite for a staffing company called The Go Between, Inc., website http://www.gobetween.com/, and it looks like looking for casting for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #304 Collaborators, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #305 Torn. The site requires a password that I don't know how to get to go beyond this point for details but it is reasonable to say that these are official, if possibly not perminent, names for these episodes. Then again, on the page for Actors, www.showfax.com, they don't have links for those episodes that would list roles that are being cast for. I found a few names of characters for Stargate Atlantis & SG-1 among others being cast for specific episodes on this page but not for BSG. So further information on these episodes other than the names, I haven't found anything on this site. The only thing is: this should be enough verification to create pages, or page placeholders, with these names for these episodes. Opinions? --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:22, 2 June 2006 (PST)
:For the path from www.sidesexpress, you have to select Vancouver, then episodes and you will see the episode names, but here's the end web address: http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?task=pname&locid=5&pt=1 --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:29, 2 June 2006 (PST)
::Our curent spoiiler policy is that unless Ron Moore, one of the writers, crew, or any of the cast members say it, it is not "confirmed". They've been known to shift around episodes and change names months in advance. Officially on BattlestarWiki, casting side excerpts are *not* a reliable source nor one that we use; I mean if you've seen some of the other sides, such as those for Pegasus or Resistance, HALF of the episode is completely rewritten between side form and the final script. You dont' get the "script" from those places you linked above; it's just a rough idea and the real episode might be nothing like that. So we don't use them. Please look over our Standards and Conventions page on the subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:07, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

== Museum of Television and Radio Spoilers ==

Have many of you heard of the event that happened last week at the Museum of Television and Radio involving viewings of BSG? Well, apparently RDM and D Eick also showed a Teaser for Season 3 that, for the most part, showed known information and, from what I've heard, scenes that don't provide usable material. However, there is apparently one quick scene from th Teaser that Ausiello from TVGuide.com described like this: "we saw some guy introducing a baby to Starbuck saying, 'This is your mother.'" This is a big tease! I think those who follow the show intently would surmize that this ties into the Missing Ovaries storyline as well as the Leobon Conoy Interigation storyline, ie., cylons using Kara's stolen ovaries to create a baby successfully with the help of Leobon Conoy. Here's the big thing: Is this enough info to stick in the Season 3 page, Kara Thrace's page, or any other page? What of this information can we use? I know I speculate too too much. And are the minor gods of this website going to accept this slightly hearsay information enough to use? I am fearful to start adding this stuff myself - low-self-asteem :( - lest somebody remove that quickly cuz it doesn't meet conventions. However, hearsay as it might be, it does come directly from RDM & Eick ...If the info is correct... --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 11:38, 14 June 2006 (PST)

:Guys...you might not habitually check out my Talk page, but I was *at* MTR: If you check the video, I was the first fan asking a question (better than that Jamie Bambar question I should think, and a bit predictable given that at BattlestarWiki I obsess over minor characters and actually care that we find the accurate spelling of Racetrack's name, etc.): Check out the Roving Reporter stuff on my talk page: [[User_talk:The_Merovingian#BattlestarWiki_Roving_Reporter]] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Now Playing Magazine Spoilers==

Divid Eick talked about the upcoming Season 3 episode in this interview[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 15:25, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:I just finished a massive round of updates on this, about an hour ago. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

== BSG Teaser on Eureka ==

Is the same one as the one at MTR? I think that I saw a Boomer with Anders and some rebels when I slowed it down. I have it on DVR if anyone wants me to look at something. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:It was slightly expanded from the MTR thing I remember, but essentially the same thing. Perhaps I forgot some stuff in my excitement at the time, but I seriously think it's the same thing, just with a few "tweaks" of inserted new footage: for example I remember no Cally-related footage in the original, but she's in several shots of this one doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Think a write up is in order or are clips too interpretive? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::For sure. This for sure good stuff. I just saw it on Eureka "repeat". '''Wow.''' Really cool! Pumped up for this third season. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:27, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well it's really not that different from the "MTR trailer report" I have in there already, but maybe we could tack something onto that (you know, rather than a new section; I'll do it). ******'''MAJOR DIFFERENCE'''******* In the MTR version of this trailer that I saw, '''Caprica-Six got shot in the forehead'''. We don't actually see who shot her (Three? Baltar? Galactica-Boomer?). They've been saying that "a Cylon character will permanently die", and as this obviously couldn't mean losing an entire "model series", it probably means that Caprica-Six is going to die, and not be reborn. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:02, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'll have it MPEG'd and put on my ftp server in about 3 hours. If anyone wants access, email michael.beardsworth@-nospam-gmail.com--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Plot Points ==
Any problem with me in the next few days condensing the plot points to statements and putting the links in references at the bottom of the article? For example, condense the first point to something like, "The first episode picks up four months after LDYB II." and put the reference in the Reference section. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:52, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
:I am once again attempting clean this page up. My plan is to have plot points of one or two lines, direct and to the point, with references moved to the reference section. Any suggestions, ideas, help will be appreciated. Any content not directly relate to the plot will be move to Analysis or Notes, or File13. Thanks.--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:25, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:Sounds good. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:26, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

==It's Official==
An entire Cylon Model is going to bite the dust. It was confirmed directly from RDM's mouth at the Comic-Con. Here are the words:

'''"There's a model that will be discontinued, or boxed. And it's someone you know."''' -RDM

It's part 1 of the Video, and you can find it in YouTube --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:00, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

I've been watching: apparently it will happen in late Season 3. Anyone else leaning for the "Last Sharon" Theory? More updates as I get them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:28, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Strictly from a production standpoint, Number 3 or Brother Cavel would make a lot of sense. However, I like the idea of the "Last" Sharon. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 04:41, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's going to be Cavil (Does he even have a number yet?). Also I don't see them killing off a princible character like Sharon. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Definitely a Three. But RDM has used 'model' in the singular (to mean one copy) before, such as in the Downloaded podcast, so this does not mean an entire series bites the dust. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:36, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I don't think that RDM is going to kill off a model simply because it's easy production-wise, ie, Cavil or Three. There's a strong possibility that the model killed off is Eight leaving Sharon on Galactica as the only surviving one. My argument: 1, already Caprica-Sharon is the only cylon to openly betray the cylon cause. 2, Galactica-Sharon isn't buying into the cylon cause. 3, The number Six model more than once has shown disapproval of the Number Eight model -- In season one she showed anger/jealousy over Caprica-Sharon's feelings for Helo and Baltar-Six's saying that the baby is something she's hardly worth deserving of. The implecation is that it's more suspectable to human feelings/behavior not consistent with the cylon cause. 4, the RDM crew like to do things to heighten the tension, make the viewers more concerned about what the outcome will be, destroy your hopes before you become to happy and comfortable. Eight is the most-beloved cylon among BSG fans so I wouldn't put it past the RDM crew to kill the model. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::If they kill off Grace i might actually cry, shes much prettier than Tricia Helfer :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:22, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

== Olmos' Population Comments at Comic-Con ==

I question whether Edward James Olmos' comments at Comic-Con about the human population are really that telling or helpful. I certainly don't know if it portends that "heavy causalities" on New Caprica are in the offing, as is now written. Remember the population of New Caprica at the end of Season 2 was 39,192. That doesn't count those who are in space. Adama told Tigh that "more than half the crew (of Galactica)" was already on the surface. In the pilot, Tyrol said there were two thousand people on Galactica (he told Leobon that). That means less than a thousand are left on Galactica. Presumably, there are several hundred (at least) left in the rest of the fleet. And we don't know how many were lost in the nuking of Cloud Nine and surrounding ships, though we do know that there were probably a lot of people on Cloud Nine. It's recreational housing seemed to have become living space for a lot of people who didn't have places elsewhere or who were looking for the best accommodations.

Anyway, if you play with those variables, you can see that it wouldn't take huge losses on New Caprica to get the total human population down to 38,000, as Olmos said.

Personally, it seems to me that the numbers don't make sense. There seem to be TOO MANY people left after the nuking of Cloud Nine. That's another reason why the "heavy causalities" comment makes no sense. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:40, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would consider it plausible if the nuking of Cloud 9 killed 1,000 people. It could have killed 5,000. It may have killed 10,000. But that entire range I consider "plausible". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

::I fully agree with Merv here. It's useless to guess at the effective blast radius. On one hand, there's nothing to stop the blast except ships; on the other, shock waves don't travel through vacuums, and the simplest statistic to measure the effects of the radiant effects, energy per unit of area, would obey an inverse square law. In any case, we don't know the strength of the warhead. It's useless to guess at how many ships would be within the radius. There's no way to know the standard gap between ships in the fleet (or if they even have a set formation at all). It's dubious to guess which ships were inside the effective blast radius, even given magical knowledge of that distance. It's dubious to guess at the complements of those ships. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 05:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You guys miss my point. I'm not talking about the blast radius or destruction wrecked by the nuking of Cloud Nine. I am talking about the conclusion that to get to 38,000, "presumably there are heavy casualties to come on New Caprica," as the article now states. Do the math: approx. 49,000, minus at least 3,000 left on the fleet, minus at least 3,000 killed on Cloud Nine, equals 43,000. (That's using numbers on the low end.) 43,000 ---> 38,000 involves a loss of 5,000. That's really the MOST that could be lost in "the battle for New Caprica." I know these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but it must seem clear even to you guys that "heavy casualities" is not a safe conclusion. It seems more likely that several hundred or a couple of thousand will be lost. Now you can argue if those figures amount to "heavy casualites" considering the number of humans left, but that does not appear to be your point. I thought we were going for conservative statements, which are logical and verifiable, not wild speculation. If that is true, then I propose that the "heavy casualites" comment be removed. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:26, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

==SFX Magazine==

Does any one have access to the September edition of SFX Magazine? There is an interview with Grace Park that as some exciting revelations in it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:31, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:I heard of this SFX magazine myself. Supposdely, she said that Helo and Sharon are or get married, and she is flying Raptors again. However I have no confirmation whatsoever, and no scans of this or a reliable report. Need someone we know to acquire one of these SFX Magazines, but they're only in Britain. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::Grumbles, I might get it if i see it but i generally dont like reading spoilers :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I have it, and read it. It disprovves some of our stuff and there is some stuff. I might just end of scanning the entire thing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:20, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will get to posting some of the stuff up hopefully later tonight, before I have to leave for VA tomorrow. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Taking a Break..."==

I e-mailed Gateworld to confirm this or say how they got it but they never e-mailed me back. That is, I didn't know if they just used "Taking a Break" as a monicker for the mid-season hiatus. The stuff they have on it seems similar to an unconfirmed report on livejournal which sounded like fanon, so I dunno. I hope they e-mail me back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==Regarding the episode numbering==
On the [[List of Episodes]] page it shows the episodes as...
*3.01 Occupation
*3.01.5 Precipice
*3.02 Exodus, Part I
*3.03 Exodus, Part II
And so on... Surely just because Precipice follows Occupation doesnt means its 3.015? Thery might not air back to back in other countries and thus should still be 3.01 and 3.02. Exodus pt I would be 3.03. If anyone one else can tell me why this should be otherwise please post here. Ill put this on my watchlist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:01, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I did the 3.01.5. We will for sure change it when we get the offical nunmber off the podcast. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:42, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well in the latest [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/ RDM blog entry] he says that they are "filming episodes 10 & 11, our mid-season cliffhanger episodes". He also goes on to say that there will be 19 episodes in total and that he counts Exodus, Part I and II as one in the production schedule. The clincher is when he says "we've taken what was to be episode 3, 'Exodus'..." so that would imply that Exodus p1 is 3.03. Understand?... lol its a bit confusing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see what all of the confusion is about: Bradley Thompson explicitly layed this out for us in Official Communiques. Both "Occupation" and "Precipice" are "Episode 1", making Precipice "Episode 1.5". I even said "wouldn't that make "Exodus, Part I" "Episode 3" and he said "no, that's episode 2" (paraphrase). He said under no circumstances to count Precipice as episode 2. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 08:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

==Citations==
There are a couple of citations to Ronald Moore's blog here, but the link is just to the blog and not a permalink. I checked his blog and couldn't find the referenced information. if anyone finds it, could you get a permalink and replace it in the article? thanks. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:08, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
:I fixed it. Both references were to the most recent entry. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:45, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

==Starbuck's Tattoo==
I must say, there is nothing in the Scifi Magazine Article that states in any way/shape/form that the tattoo on Kattee's upper left arm has anything to do with the Cylon Occupations.

We do, however, know that the tattoo in her left upper arm (the one referred to) is actually a "wedding tattoo" that she and Anders got when they got married.

So I'm saying we remove this unless the user who placed it in the article has more proof, but I doubt it since it would conflict with direct words from the actress herself. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:16, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

:Katee Sackhoff has repeatedly stated, even in a video like that TVGuide thing, that it is a "wedding tatoo". Speculation was wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cite Templtes ==

Article needs to be updated using the cite templates. [[BW:CITETEM]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Why No Photos? ==

We have in our possession several photos and screen captures from Season 3. We should be posting these online. Even though exact descriptions of the events depicted are not always available, this data is no more speculative than vague or cryptic pronouncements from the producers on their blogs, or unpremeditated slips of the tongue from actors. In fact, in many ways, they are more concrete and credible; we are seeing actual shot footage of actors in dramatic situations, often from the SciFi Channel itself. There is a lot of information to be gleaned from these photographs, and it is no less "conclusive" than what we get from some of our other sources who we regularly publish.

If we don't want to get into the business of speculating ourselves about the photos, why not establish a Season 3 "gallery" of photos and screen caps with minimal and obvious identifications (e.g., Starbuck and Leoben Conoy having dinner) and leave to others to draw conclusions about the specific dramatic circumstances? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:15, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:There are a ton located [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images/Season_3|here]]. I'm furiously avoiding looking at them (don't like spoilers), but I'd hope that'd have some good ammo for what you're suggesting. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:24, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:also anything from [[:md:User:Shane/gallery|here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:31, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
::That is great stuff!! I had no idea we already had those photos, already uploaded and everything. Let's get those shots into the Season 3 Pivotal Plot Points article at the appropriate places. They illustrate and support the intel we already have about Season 3. And there can be little doubt about their authenticity and relevance. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:34, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I'll leave that to others (I try to avoid spoilers). If you want to try it yourself, you can simply edit that page and copy the "code" around the pictures you want to place, and place them in the appropriate spot. If you need assistance feel free to ask for help (either here, or on anybody's talk page). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:39, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Unfortunately, I have tried several times now to insert photos into this article and have always frakked it up. I admit I am a hopeless non-techie. Can anyone give me step-by-step instructions for inserting graphics with captions, something a liberal arts major can easily understand? Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:18, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::<code><nowiki>[[Image:FooSpoils.JPG|thumb|right|A Foo spoils spoiling spoilers.]]</nowiki></code> Of course, "right" can be replaced with "left" if it makes the page layout nicer. The syntax doesn't really make any sense, but that's it, aside from specifying a size, which is not really as great an idea as one might initially think. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:37, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Calculatin, thanks but I already figured out that part. Where does the image need to be? In Wiki Media? Uploaded somehow? Sorry for what is probably really obvious, but I have never done anything like this before. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 00:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

== SciFi Mag not a Citable Source? ==

Okay, this is weird. I just got my text pulled and it was a description of photos appearing in SciFi, the official magazine of the SciFi Channel. If that is not an authoritative source, then I don't know what is. The descriptions were straight forward, although I did observe that one unidentified person looked remarkably similar to a known cylon agent, which is true. (I didn't say it was him, but you can't deny the obvious. And what a shocker it would be if he was one, being as he is in uniform and meeting with Adm. Adama.) All that is obvious and undeniable if you have seen the photos. Now it would be much better if we could show the photos (see above topic post) and let them speak for themselves, but short of that how is there a source problem with just describing what is clearly in them? You guardians of Battlestar Wiki purity are, I think, going a little overboard. And don't tell me the photos are in Battlestar Wiki media depository or whatever because no one will ever look for them there. This is the section on Season Three pivotal plot points and this is where that stuff belongs. My humble opinion anyway ... --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:02, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:If you can provide the source, go for it. The paragrpahs or information was not cited so it seemed made up. Go ahead and re-add it but cit the information, pages, location, author, etc. [[BW:CITE]]. I am not saying it might be wrong. I am simiply stating the [[BW:CITETEM]] was not used so no one knew on where the information came from. Also direct information from the magazine can not be posted. It has to be copyedited or rephrased in your own words. Photos have captions, but should not be placed as an item themselfs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:10, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
::I gave the name of the magazine and the date, and the descriptions were all in my own words based on what I saw in the photos. And BTW, your templates make no sense and there are apparently none for printed periodicals. And by making sure you have to be a programmer to use them, you are pre-selecting out all the writers who are not technically minded. Finally, you guys don't know s--t about copyright law. All over the site I see it written that "ideas are copyrighted, not the word usage themselves" which is completely and utterly backwards and WRONG. Ideas ''cannot'' be copyrighted, only the expression of them in particular words. (Read the copyright law.) That's why changing the wording means you can still talk about those ideas in print.
::The sad thing is that some of this information should be getting into print, and it isn't, because the style "jihadists" are going nuts and making it impossible for those who care about the information and not the coding of it. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 00:39, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will revert my mistakes. Sorry about the confusing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:47, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::::If you were referring to the bits I took out can you please elaborate? I only took out the speculatative sections and not just everything from SciFi mag. Providing its cited i dont have a problem with stuff from it. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:11, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T03:16:46Z

Elach: /* Overview */

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== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is the British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' and two subsequent episodes where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. [[William Adama]]'s chest after he was shot at close range by the Cylon [[Sharon Valerii]]. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season where Ishay assisted [[Doctor Cottle]] in the delivery of the half-human baby of another iteration of the same Cylon model.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> “Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006 </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== References ==
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== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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2006-09-05T03:15:22Z

Elach: /* Overview */

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== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is the British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' and two subsequent episodes where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. [[William Adama]]'s chest after he was shot at close range by the Cylon [[Sharon Valerii]]. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season where Ishay assisted Doc Cottle in the delivery of the half-human baby of another iteration of the same Cylon model.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> “Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006 </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== References ==
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== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T03:08:05Z

Elach: /* Overview */

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| character= [[Layne Ishay]]
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== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is the British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' and two subsequent episodes where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. William Adama's chest after he was shot at close range by the cylon Sharon Valerii. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> “Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006 </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T03:07:22Z

Elach: /* Reference */

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| character= [[Layne Ishay]]
| imdb= 0636244
}}

== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is a British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' and two subsequent episodes where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. William Adama's chest after he was shot at close range by the cylon Sharon Valerii. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> [“Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006] </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T03:06:10Z

Elach: /* See Also */

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== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is a British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' and two subsequent episodes where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. William Adama's chest after he was shot at close range by the cylon Sharon Valerii. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> [“Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006] </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== Reference ==

== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T03:05:23Z

Elach: /* Overview */

{{Star Data|
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| character= [[Layne Ishay]]
| imdb= 0636244
}}

== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is a British actress and singer who portrayed medic [[Layne Ishay]] in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' and two subsequent episodes where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. William Adama's chest after he was shot at close range by the cylon Sharon Valerii. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004. <ref> [“Jamie Bamber: The Hunky One,” Sci-Fi Magazine, February 2006] </ref>

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

{{mstub}}

[[Category:A to Z|Norton, Kerry]]
[[Category:Cast|Norton, Kerry]]
[[Category:RDM|Norton, Kerry]]

Kerry Norton

2006-09-05T02:49:55Z

Elach: /* Overview */

{{Star Data|
image = bsg-2-1-kn.jpg
| character= [[Layne Ishay]]
| imdb= 0636244
}}

== Overview ==

Kerry Norton is a British actress and singer who portrayed medic Layne Ishay in four episodes of Season 2.

Norton's first BSG appearance as Ishay was in ''[[Scattered]]'' and two subsequent episodes where her character was memorable for having operated on Cmdr. William Adama's chest after he was shot at close range by the cylon Sharon Valerii. Her last appearance was in ''[[Downloaded]]'' later that season.

Norton is also the real-life wife of [[Jamie Bamber]] who plays [[Lee "Apollo" Adama]]. The two have a daughter, Isla Elizabeth Angela Griffith, born in 2003, and two twin daughters, Darcy and Ava, born in 2004.

Even though Jamie Bamber covers up his British accent, she does not try to hide hers.

== See Also ==
*[[Jamie Bamber]]

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[[Category:Cast|Norton, Kerry]]
[[Category:RDM|Norton, Kerry]]

Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

2006-09-04T07:24:31Z

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:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance", which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''

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| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director=[[Wayne Rose]]
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| US airdate= starts September 5, 2006
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| dvd=
| population=
| prev=[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next=[[Occupation]]
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== Overview ==
'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' will be web-based series that claims to fill in the gaps between [[season 2 (2005-06)|season two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. The series is a limited-run series that will last 10 episodes. <ref name="ignnews">[http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html IGN: TV Online: Battlestar Galactica Webseries Announced, May 22, 2006]</ref>

The webisode series is written by veteran BSG writers [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is about 25 minutes long in total, and divided into 10 episodes.

When [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive03#Webisode series|BattlestarWiki asked Bradley Thompson]] about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week, for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC/Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes.

In August 2006, news began to leak out that the release of the webisodes would be delayed, though they were essentially finished at the time. NBC-Universal did not want to pay the writing team for webisodes content, holding that they were not actually covered under Guild contract, and were technically just promotional material. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out. According to Thompson, the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work", but no long-term resolution was ever reached. The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC/Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. In any event, by August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC/Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC/Uni for distribution online. NBC/Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were handed over to NBC/Uni. The first of ten webisodes is due to be released on Tuesday, September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments are scheduled for every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===
Tyrol and Tigh organize the budding resistance movement on Cylon-occupied New Caprica, but they find recruiting new soldiers is becoming dangerous and difficult.

===Episode 2===
===Episode 3===
===Episode 4===
===Episode 5===
===Episode 6===
===Episode 7===
===Episode 8===
===Episode 9===
===Episode 10===

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads"

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
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[[Category:A to Z]]
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[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]
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Talk:Season 3 (2006-07)/Archive 1

2006-09-02T20:18:11Z

Elach: /* Why No Photos? */

"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 Episode Titles: I would't consider tv.com an official source. Isn't it a wiki-style site where fans enter the info? --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 09:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
:Exactly. It's sort of a poor man's wiki: like IMDB, it relies on fan-submissions; it's not a "news source" like say, TV Guide Magazine. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:37, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::Why I didn't think about that? You are right. Black Market-Scar-Sacrifice was a series of crap episodes, (well, Scar was not that crap, but I didn't like it) but startnig with ''[[The Captain's Hand]]'' they made excellent quality of episodes again. If this is the cost for making good episodes, then I can wait a few more months. --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 05:23, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you should have held off on removing individuals' ranks because mostlikely because of their circumstances, ex-militaries would retain their title and rank after leaving the service much as was done in the American South for centuries. I plantation owner would be called Colonel because when he was younger he served in the army or militia as that rank even though he's been retired from duty for decades. In the colonial case, since as we see, there's always the chance of a cylon return, they'd probably maintain their last rank in the case of being called back into service. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 15 March 2006 (MST)

== Hero ==
Should there be a new page created for the the so-called episode "Hero" spoiled by David Eick during his interview on iFMagazine? He talked about a script relating to "a revelation about something truly egregious and illegal that Adama was guilty of doing during the days leading up to the attack, and how he has kept the revelation of that incident from rearing it’s head." There seems to be enough to start an episode page but he didn't say which episode it will be, whether it's one of the 1st 3 "trilogy", right after that, or later in the season. But he did in fact elude to it so I think it should be documented. I don't know. I thought maybe one of the more BSG Wiki Gurus could have a better idea of how to handle this. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 12 May 2006 (MST)
: As long as it comes from info cited by Eick himself, we're fine with that. What I would do is not worry about where the episode is placed in the chronology, and create the page. When more facts reveal themselves later on, we can worry about where exactly this piece of the puzzle should go, which is a minor detail in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::the order can always be fixed later. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:43, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

== Additional episodes of Season 3 ==

I may have found legitimate verification of the titles "Collaborators" and "Torn" for episodes 4 and 5 of season 3. On the website www.sidesexpress.com(this site is for Agents and Managers), a subsite for a staffing company called The Go Between, Inc., website http://www.gobetween.com/, and it looks like looking for casting for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #304 Collaborators, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #305 Torn. The site requires a password that I don't know how to get to go beyond this point for details but it is reasonable to say that these are official, if possibly not perminent, names for these episodes. Then again, on the page for Actors, www.showfax.com, they don't have links for those episodes that would list roles that are being cast for. I found a few names of characters for Stargate Atlantis & SG-1 among others being cast for specific episodes on this page but not for BSG. So further information on these episodes other than the names, I haven't found anything on this site. The only thing is: this should be enough verification to create pages, or page placeholders, with these names for these episodes. Opinions? --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:22, 2 June 2006 (PST)
:For the path from www.sidesexpress, you have to select Vancouver, then episodes and you will see the episode names, but here's the end web address: http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?task=pname&locid=5&pt=1 --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:29, 2 June 2006 (PST)
::Our curent spoiiler policy is that unless Ron Moore, one of the writers, crew, or any of the cast members say it, it is not "confirmed". They've been known to shift around episodes and change names months in advance. Officially on BattlestarWiki, casting side excerpts are *not* a reliable source nor one that we use; I mean if you've seen some of the other sides, such as those for Pegasus or Resistance, HALF of the episode is completely rewritten between side form and the final script. You dont' get the "script" from those places you linked above; it's just a rough idea and the real episode might be nothing like that. So we don't use them. Please look over our Standards and Conventions page on the subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:07, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

== Museum of Television and Radio Spoilers ==

Have many of you heard of the event that happened last week at the Museum of Television and Radio involving viewings of BSG? Well, apparently RDM and D Eick also showed a Teaser for Season 3 that, for the most part, showed known information and, from what I've heard, scenes that don't provide usable material. However, there is apparently one quick scene from th Teaser that Ausiello from TVGuide.com described like this: "we saw some guy introducing a baby to Starbuck saying, 'This is your mother.'" This is a big tease! I think those who follow the show intently would surmize that this ties into the Missing Ovaries storyline as well as the Leobon Conoy Interigation storyline, ie., cylons using Kara's stolen ovaries to create a baby successfully with the help of Leobon Conoy. Here's the big thing: Is this enough info to stick in the Season 3 page, Kara Thrace's page, or any other page? What of this information can we use? I know I speculate too too much. And are the minor gods of this website going to accept this slightly hearsay information enough to use? I am fearful to start adding this stuff myself - low-self-asteem :( - lest somebody remove that quickly cuz it doesn't meet conventions. However, hearsay as it might be, it does come directly from RDM & Eick ...If the info is correct... --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 11:38, 14 June 2006 (PST)

:Guys...you might not habitually check out my Talk page, but I was *at* MTR: If you check the video, I was the first fan asking a question (better than that Jamie Bambar question I should think, and a bit predictable given that at BattlestarWiki I obsess over minor characters and actually care that we find the accurate spelling of Racetrack's name, etc.): Check out the Roving Reporter stuff on my talk page: [[User_talk:The_Merovingian#BattlestarWiki_Roving_Reporter]] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Now Playing Magazine Spoilers==

Divid Eick talked about the upcoming Season 3 episode in this interview[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 15:25, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:I just finished a massive round of updates on this, about an hour ago. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

== BSG Teaser on Eureka ==

Is the same one as the one at MTR? I think that I saw a Boomer with Anders and some rebels when I slowed it down. I have it on DVR if anyone wants me to look at something. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:It was slightly expanded from the MTR thing I remember, but essentially the same thing. Perhaps I forgot some stuff in my excitement at the time, but I seriously think it's the same thing, just with a few "tweaks" of inserted new footage: for example I remember no Cally-related footage in the original, but she's in several shots of this one doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Think a write up is in order or are clips too interpretive? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::For sure. This for sure good stuff. I just saw it on Eureka "repeat". '''Wow.''' Really cool! Pumped up for this third season. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:27, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well it's really not that different from the "MTR trailer report" I have in there already, but maybe we could tack something onto that (you know, rather than a new section; I'll do it). ******'''MAJOR DIFFERENCE'''******* In the MTR version of this trailer that I saw, '''Caprica-Six got shot in the forehead'''. We don't actually see who shot her (Three? Baltar? Galactica-Boomer?). They've been saying that "a Cylon character will permanently die", and as this obviously couldn't mean losing an entire "model series", it probably means that Caprica-Six is going to die, and not be reborn. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:02, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'll have it MPEG'd and put on my ftp server in about 3 hours. If anyone wants access, email michael.beardsworth@-nospam-gmail.com--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Plot Points ==
Any problem with me in the next few days condensing the plot points to statements and putting the links in references at the bottom of the article? For example, condense the first point to something like, "The first episode picks up four months after LDYB II." and put the reference in the Reference section. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:52, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==It's Official==
An entire Cylon Model is going to bite the dust. It was confirmed directly from RDM's mouth at the Comic-Con. Here are the words:

'''"There's a model that will be discontinued, or boxed. And it's someone you know."''' -RDM

It's part 1 of the Video, and you can find it in YouTube --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:00, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

I've been watching: apparently it will happen in late Season 3. Anyone else leaning for the "Last Sharon" Theory? More updates as I get them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:28, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Strictly from a production standpoint, Number 3 or Brother Cavel would make a lot of sense. However, I like the idea of the "Last" Sharon. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 04:41, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's going to be Cavil (Does he even have a number yet?). Also I don't see them killing off a princible character like Sharon. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Definitely a Three. But RDM has used 'model' in the singular (to mean one copy) before, such as in the Downloaded podcast, so this does not mean an entire series bites the dust. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:36, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I don't think that RDM is going to kill off a model simply because it's easy production-wise, ie, Cavil or Three. There's a strong possibility that the model killed off is Eight leaving Sharon on Galactica as the only surviving one. My argument: 1, already Caprica-Sharon is the only cylon to openly betray the cylon cause. 2, Galactica-Sharon isn't buying into the cylon cause. 3, The number Six model more than once has shown disapproval of the Number Eight model -- In season one she showed anger/jealousy over Caprica-Sharon's feelings for Helo and Baltar-Six's saying that the baby is something she's hardly worth deserving of. The implecation is that it's more suspectable to human feelings/behavior not consistent with the cylon cause. 4, the RDM crew like to do things to heighten the tension, make the viewers more concerned about what the outcome will be, destroy your hopes before you become to happy and comfortable. Eight is the most-beloved cylon among BSG fans so I wouldn't put it past the RDM crew to kill the model. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::If they kill off Grace i might actually cry, shes much prettier than Tricia Helfer :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:22, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

== Olmos' Population Comments at Comic-Con ==

I question whether Edward James Olmos' comments at Comic-Con about the human population are really that telling or helpful. I certainly don't know if it portends that "heavy causalities" on New Caprica are in the offing, as is now written. Remember the population of New Caprica at the end of Season 2 was 39,192. That doesn't count those who are in space. Adama told Tigh that "more than half the crew (of Galactica)" was already on the surface. In the pilot, Tyrol said there were two thousand people on Galactica (he told Leobon that). That means less than a thousand are left on Galactica. Presumably, there are several hundred (at least) left in the rest of the fleet. And we don't know how many were lost in the nuking of Cloud Nine and surrounding ships, though we do know that there were probably a lot of people on Cloud Nine. It's recreational housing seemed to have become living space for a lot of people who didn't have places elsewhere or who were looking for the best accommodations.

Anyway, if you play with those variables, you can see that it wouldn't take huge losses on New Caprica to get the total human population down to 38,000, as Olmos said.

Personally, it seems to me that the numbers don't make sense. There seem to be TOO MANY people left after the nuking of Cloud Nine. That's another reason why the "heavy causalities" comment makes no sense. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:40, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would consider it plausible if the nuking of Cloud 9 killed 1,000 people. It could have killed 5,000. It may have killed 10,000. But that entire range I consider "plausible". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

::I fully agree with Merv here. It's useless to guess at the effective blast radius. On one hand, there's nothing to stop the blast except ships; on the other, shock waves don't travel through vacuums, and the simplest statistic to measure the effects of the radiant effects, energy per unit of area, would obey an inverse square law. In any case, we don't know the strength of the warhead. It's useless to guess at how many ships would be within the radius. There's no way to know the standard gap between ships in the fleet (or if they even have a set formation at all). It's dubious to guess which ships were inside the effective blast radius, even given magical knowledge of that distance. It's dubious to guess at the complements of those ships. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 05:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You guys miss my point. I'm not talking about the blast radius or destruction wrecked by the nuking of Cloud Nine. I am talking about the conclusion that to get to 38,000, "presumably there are heavy casualties to come on New Caprica," as the article now states. Do the math: approx. 49,000, minus at least 3,000 left on the fleet, minus at least 3,000 killed on Cloud Nine, equals 43,000. (That's using numbers on the low end.) 43,000 ---> 38,000 involves a loss of 5,000. That's really the MOST that could be lost in "the battle for New Caprica." I know these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but it must seem clear even to you guys that "heavy casualities" is not a safe conclusion. It seems more likely that several hundred or a couple of thousand will be lost. Now you can argue if those figures amount to "heavy casualites" considering the number of humans left, but that does not appear to be your point. I thought we were going for conservative statements, which are logical and verifiable, not wild speculation. If that is true, then I propose that the "heavy casualites" comment be removed. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:26, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

==SFX Magazine==

Does any one have access to the September edition of SFX Magazine? There is an interview with Grace Park that as some exciting revelations in it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:31, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:I heard of this SFX magazine myself. Supposdely, she said that Helo and Sharon are or get married, and she is flying Raptors again. However I have no confirmation whatsoever, and no scans of this or a reliable report. Need someone we know to acquire one of these SFX Magazines, but they're only in Britain. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::Grumbles, I might get it if i see it but i generally dont like reading spoilers :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I have it, and read it. It disprovves some of our stuff and there is some stuff. I might just end of scanning the entire thing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:20, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will get to posting some of the stuff up hopefully later tonight, before I have to leave for VA tomorrow. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Taking a Break..."==

I e-mailed Gateworld to confirm this or say how they got it but they never e-mailed me back. That is, I didn't know if they just used "Taking a Break" as a monicker for the mid-season hiatus. The stuff they have on it seems similar to an unconfirmed report on livejournal which sounded like fanon, so I dunno. I hope they e-mail me back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==Regarding the episode numbering==
On the [[List of Episodes]] page it shows the episodes as...
*3.01 Occupation
*3.01.5 Precipice
*3.02 Exodus, Part I
*3.03 Exodus, Part II
And so on... Surely just because Precipice follows Occupation doesnt means its 3.015? Thery might not air back to back in other countries and thus should still be 3.01 and 3.02. Exodus pt I would be 3.03. If anyone one else can tell me why this should be otherwise please post here. Ill put this on my watchlist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:01, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I did the 3.01.5. We will for sure change it when we get the offical nunmber off the podcast. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:42, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well in the latest [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/ RDM blog entry] he says that they are "filming episodes 10 & 11, our mid-season cliffhanger episodes". He also goes on to say that there will be 19 episodes in total and that he counts Exodus, Part I and II as one in the production schedule. The clincher is when he says "we've taken what was to be episode 3, 'Exodus'..." so that would imply that Exodus p1 is 3.03. Understand?... lol its a bit confusing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see what all of the confusion is about: Bradley Thompson explicitly layed this out for us in Official Communiques. Both "Occupation" and "Precipice" are "Episode 1", making Precipice "Episode 1.5". I even said "wouldn't that make "Exodus, Part I" "Episode 3" and he said "no, that's episode 2" (paraphrase). He said under no circumstances to count Precipice as episode 2. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 08:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

==Citations==
There are a couple of citations to Ronald Moore's blog here, but the link is just to the blog and not a permalink. I checked his blog and couldn't find the referenced information. if anyone finds it, could you get a permalink and replace it in the article? thanks. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:08, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
:I fixed it. Both references were to the most recent entry. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:45, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

==Starbuck's Tattoo==
I must say, there is nothing in the Scifi Magazine Article that states in any way/shape/form that the tattoo on Kattee's upper left arm has anything to do with the Cylon Occupations.

We do, however, know that the tattoo in her left upper arm (the one referred to) is actually a "wedding tattoo" that she and Anders got when they got married.

So I'm saying we remove this unless the user who placed it in the article has more proof, but I doubt it since it would conflict with direct words from the actress herself. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:16, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

:Katee Sackhoff has repeatedly stated, even in a video like that TVGuide thing, that it is a "wedding tatoo". Speculation was wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cite Templtes ==

Article needs to be updated using the cite templates. [[BW:CITETEM]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Why No Photos? ==

We have in our possession several photos and screen captures from Season 3. We should be posting these online. Even though exact descriptions of the events depicted are not always available, this data is no more speculative than vague or cryptic pronouncements from the producers on their blogs, or unpremeditated slips of the tongue from actors. In fact, in many ways, they are more concrete and credible; we are seeing actual shot footage of actors in dramatic situations, often from the SciFi Channel itself. There is a lot of information to be gleaned from these photographs, and it is no less "conclusive" than what we get from some of our other sources who we regularly publish.

If we don't want to get into the business of speculating ourselves about the photos, why not establish a Season 3 "gallery" of photos and screen caps with minimal and obvious identifications (e.g., Starbuck and Leoben Conoy having dinner) and leave to others to draw conclusions about the specific dramatic circumstances? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:15, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:There are a ton located [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images/Season_3|here]]. I'm furiously avoiding looking at them (don't like spoilers), but I'd hope that'd have some good ammo for what you're suggesting. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:24, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:also anything from [[:md:User:Shane/gallery|here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:31, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
::That is great stuff!! I had no idea we already had those photos, already uploaded and everything. Let's get those shots into the Season 3 Pivotal Plot Points article at the appropriate places. They illustrate and support the intel we already have about Season 3. And there can be little doubt about their authenticity and relevance. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:34, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I'll leave that to others (I try to avoid spoilers). If you want to try it yourself, you can simply edit that page and copy the "code" around the pictures you want to place, and place them in the appropriate spot. If you need assistance feel free to ask for help (either here, or on anybody's talk page). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:39, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Unfortunately, I have tried several times now to insert photos into this article and have always frakked it up. I admit I am a hopeless non-techie. Can anyone give me step-by-step instructions for inserting graphics with captions, something a liberal arts major can easily understand? Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:18, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

== SciFi Mag not a Citable Source? ==

Okay, this is weird. I just got my text pulled and it was a description of photos appearing in SciFi, the official magazine of the SciFi Channel. If that is not an authoritative source, then I don't know what is. The descriptions were straight forward, although I did observe that one unidentified person looked remarkably similar to a known cylon agent, which is true. (I didn't say it was him, but you can't deny the obvious. And what a shocker it would be if he was one, being as he is in uniform and meeting with Adm. Adama.) All that is obvious and undeniable if you have seen the photos. Now it would be much better if we could show the photos (see above topic post) and let them speak for themselves, but short of that how is there a source problem with just describing what is clearly in them? You guardians of Battlestar Wiki purity are, I think, going a little overboard. And don't tell me the photos are in Battlestar Wiki media depository or whatever because no one will ever look for them there. This is the section on Season Three pivotal plot points and this is where that stuff belongs. My humble opinion anyway ... --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:02, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:If you can provide the source, go for it. The paragrpahs or information was not cited so it seemed made up. Go ahead and re-add it but cit the information, pages, location, author, etc. [[BW:CITE]]. I am not saying it might be wrong. I am simiply stating the [[BW:CITETEM]] was not used so no one knew on where the information came from. Also direct information from the magazine can not be posted. It has to be copyedited or rephrased in your own words. Photos have captions, but should not be placed as an item themselfs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:10, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
::I gave the name of the magazine and the date, and the descriptions were all in my own words based on what I saw in the photos. And BTW, your templates make no sense and there are apparently none for printed periodicals. And by making sure you have to be a programmer to use them, you are pre-selecting out all the writers who are not technically minded. Finally, you guys don't know s--t about copyright law. All over the site I see it written that "ideas are copyrighted, not the word usage themselves" which is completely and utterly backwards and WRONG. Ideas ''cannot'' be copyrighted, only the expression of them in particular words. (Read the copyright law.) That's why changing the wording means you can still talk about those ideas in print.
::The sad thing is that some of this information should be getting into print, and it isn't, because the style "jihadists" are going nuts and making it impossible for those who care about the information and not the coding of it. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 00:39, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will revert my mistakes. Sorry about the confusing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:47, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::::If you were referring to the bits I took out can you please elaborate? I only took out the speculatative sections and not just everything from SciFi mag. Providing its cited i dont have a problem with stuff from it. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:11, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki talk:The Merovingian Ban

2006-09-02T17:19:48Z

Elach: /* A comment by Elach and replies to it */

<div class="messagebox"><h3>Please REMEMBER TO BE COURTEOUS and [[Wikipedia:WP:CIVIL|WP:CIVIL]] AS The Merovingian CAN NOT RESPOND. This is a remember to all parties adding comments to this page... myself included. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:00, 1 September 2006 (CDT)</h3></div>
== Comments ==
It must have been a hard decision to take such a drastic action, but I'm sure that this move will only benefit the wiki in the future. --[[User:Ribsy|Ribsy]] 00:14, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:I'm intrigued to know what's happened in the last few days for such a hard decision to be made. I was on vacation from the wiki all last week and I dont use Skiffy boards or other forums to know what happens off-wiki... --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:07, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:I suspect the off-wiki behavior has just come to a head. But I'd not speculate further. We are what we are outside and inside the wiki. While Merv's face was improving here, it seems he began to claim the wiki as his own, and this isn't a place we can take ownership in. We can all take pride in adding our own contributions to form, together, one great resource for everyone, yes, but we can not take ownership to be point of being catty, rude or representing yourself as a wiki official without authorization. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:42, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::It was not only that, but his general behavior to people off-wiki -- his behavior even prompted RDM's own wife, Terry, who posts on the SciFi.com boards as "Mrs Ron", to [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=2056843&Searchpage=1&Main=2056837&Words=moron+The_Merovingian&topic=&Search=true#Post2056843 warn Merv about his's own behavior]. (In light of how she herself is painted as "a champion of [Merv's] bad behavior", I do not envy her current position as well, which apparently [http://www.mortalstorm.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1012 mirrors our own] in some ways.) What I do know through conversing with others who aren't contributors to the Wiki, but have their pulse on the fandom, is that he has damaged the wiki through his actions as he is associated with us. (He's made this association clear through a banner on the SciFi.com boards, a banner that I will ask be removed from his signature immediately.) I ''know'' that he's caused damage to the wiki; it's not like any of this is not out there on the boards and the like -- it is. I've tried to establsh damage control, hence the [[BW:OR|Official Representation]] policy, which, I will freely admit, is a direct response to Merv's previous actions. He has (almost) cost us a very good contributor in the process just within the ''last 48 hours'' and, in talking with others, I have determined that an RFC would have caused much, much more issues than the primary issue we were attempting to fix. I'll make it pretty clear that this decision was not a spur of the moment; I've thought about it intermittently for some time now, until I could put the pieces together all of the events that have transpired for the last six to eight months, without massive bias on either side of the issue. The sad thing is that it all adds up to a very nasty picture, which I refuse to have this wiki be a part of. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:35, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
I dont need to know about the reasons that leave to Merv´s banning ,hes childish behavior and arrogance are very well known arround the BSG fanbase.These action open the gate to our group of fans that avoided these place because we didnt want any involment to do with the Merovignian.
The FRAKHEADS! and the BSG-55 board will celebrate these desition and ad theyr contributions to the BSG wiki project.

Moctezuma.
BSG-55 FRAKHEADS! {{unsigned|Moctezuma}}--[[User:Moctezuma|Moctezuma]] 19:17, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Dont worry about these site image on the contraire,the relevance of the content and the profesional structure are really amazing, im very pleased to read about a young profesional entrepenour like you and the TEAM that makes these site posible.--[[User:Moctezuma|Moctezuma]] 19:17, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
: Thank you for your kind words. I personally appreciate them. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:22, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== A comment by Dogger and replies to it ==

I don't understand what has prompted this move at this time, and there is nothing in your announcement, Joe, that really explains it. I have been clued out of the community for a few weeks now, and there may well have been some new incident that showed Merv not only to be unworthy of adminship, but unworthy of editing as well. But if there is, you haven't cited it. When I saw the title of this page I expected to see laid out for me a series of recent references to Merv's transgressions both here and off-site. I didn't get it. Why not? Banning people out of the blue for vaguely generalised past behaviour casts, IMO, an even worse impression on the wiki. Is it because he called somebody a moron in that thread? If it is, just say so. Why the hints and characterisations? Is the trigger that MrsRon spoke against him? I wouldn't call what she wrote a scathing indictment, just a mild voice of reason.

Judging from the arguments I have seen from people on this site in such matters, which have been generally very rational and of a high level, I find this announcement disappointing, more for the content of the announcement than the actual decision that was taken. It comes across as an emotional reaction -- something that I thought the wiki was above indulging. If you were going to ban somebody from editing, I would expect this to include a carefully cited set of examples of his behaviour, not a link to a single slur wrapped in several paragraphs of what basically boils down to 'People don't think he's cool and therefore they think the wiki isn't cool.' I suggest that in the future if you ban anyone from doing anything that you dispense entirely with all of the talk about wiki's reputation (which dominates your announcement and is not on point, i.e. it's not the relevant issue), and instead take a much more rational and carefully laid out approach that concentrates on examples (especially recent ones) of Merv's actual behaviour, because without that, there is no 'there' there. And that presents the appearance at least of having arbitrarily and without careful consideration (but merely out of a sense of fed-upness) chosen a side in what is ultimately a personality conflict in fandom, and chosen the side that will result in the least repercussions for the wiki. As in, maybe if you get rid of Merv the whole conflict will just go away? Okay, leave aside the fact that this doesn't seem to be an actual valid reason for banning anybody; more importantly, what happens to the next target chosen for unpopularity by your secret sources? Do we all have to curry favour now with certain off-wiki fan personalities to remain in good standing here? And exactly who are these people, anyway, with their "fingers on the pulse of fandom"? They don't have their fingers on MY pulse. You might as well have said that Merv has been excommunicated because a shadowy figure came to your doorway and slipped you a note after you left an X on your window. It really leaves an awful impression.

I don't really have time to debate this at length, but I think the way this decision was presented reflects very poorly on the wiki, because I find most of the things you have talked about to be not relevant. Think about somebody with no prior experience of this conflict reading what you just wrote, Joe. You have given this hypothetical newbie almost no actual clear and present reason to believe that The Merovingian is still the imperious dictator you say he is, and instead given him/her a major reason that is right in their face to believe exactly that about you and about the wiki.

I'm not asking that you reverse the decision. I don't know enough to say that. As I say, I have not been privy to what's been going on, which is why the paper-thinness of what is on this page is so glaringly obvious. But I hope that in the future any bannings of longtime members that are under consideration will be handled much more carefully and methodically than what I see here. It also would help if there were reference made to violations of an official policy on exactly what is bannable and what is not. Is being unpopular with other fans a bannable offence? You give a very strong impression here that it is.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 03:22, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

: What prompted the banning were the fact that, repeatedly, editors have tried to up and leave regarding his behavior -- behavior which is well documented on the message boards to which he participates as well as the wiki. It is not only pathetic that I have to keep on talking down contributors who have had issues with Merv, but it is also pathetic that people, like Shane (who isn't even an admin, for pete's sake), have to talk people out of doing such an act. Perhaps you didn't know this, as it wasn't common knowledge, but myself and the other administrators, such as Peter, have been endeavoring to help Merv soften his behavior. For a while, it seems he was improving in his behavior, until the complaints -- from people who hardly participate in message boards -- started rolling in ''again''.

: I'm not going to release names because they have come to me in confidence -- though I do hope that they have the courage to come forward, since I believe it would be cathartic for them. But Merv is directly responsible for us almost losing a very good member of this community 24 hours prior to making my decision.

: We have had issues with Merv for quite some time now, including the whole KR thing which, sad to say, almost damaged the wiki more than I've ever let on. This is detailed in his three Requests for Adminship, which I believe you may have read, as well as throughout the wiki. Feel free to do a search in our wiki, or even a Google search. (As I said, it's all out there for review.)

: Merv has also attempted to comport himself as taking ownership of the wiki on various occassions, despite our attempts to curtail such behavior by establishing [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Representation|our Official Representation policy]]. No one here, including myself (who shoulders the burden of financing, tech support, and being the one who tends to mediate issues here), dares take ownership of the wiki because it is a '''team effort'''. '''We are one''' here; everyone works together to build this reference. If there is someone who tries to use Battlestar Wiki as his personal pulpit, such as in the whole KR thing which is documented in [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Citation_Jihad/Archive02#Koenigrules_.2F_Hollywood_North_Report our archives here], then they will reap the consequences of doing such a thing from not only myself, but from the community.

: Fact of the matter is that I haven't included links due to the fact that his behavior outside the wiki and goals are so glaringly apparent that I believed such a thing was unnecessary; I now know why he was so insistant on [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr.&oldid=48191#RFA getting adminship here at the wiki as well], which was to solidfy a position to be some sort of prima donna information broker in the fandom. (This motivation doubtless lead to the near-disasterous incident with KR, which Peter should be thanked for mitigating.) I firmly believe that Merv never wanted the responsibility; he wanted the title, which is something that the cynical part of me has always suspected.

: To satisfy your curiousity regarding links and a dossier of his behavior on and off wiki, there are people who are working to create a compilation of all of Merv's replies and actions to date. A link to it, most likely in PDF format, will be uploaded to my website and linked here as an archive for all to see upon completion and review. I personally think such a thing is a waste of time, but I want everything out there because the truth will come out sooner or later, as it always does.

: Also, Merv's assertion that people such as Darth Marley have been mailbombing me with complaints is totally ludicrous and strikes me as an indicator of Merv's paranoia, as well as solidifies what I've found to be a characteristic of his personality: that he will take leaps of logic with pithy information and without thorough research. I have never corresponded with Marley or others (I've talked to Larocque, but that's because I respect him for all his work he's done with the original Battlestar Galactica FAQs and so forth); to continue, I've read what they've said on the boards and had I heeded them ''immediately'', this ban would have happened several months ago. Merv's popularity, or lack thereof, had no bearing on this decision -- it was his actions and his treatment of others both on and off wiki that came to a head. Call it the powder keg just waiting to be lit that Merv's actions (and consequences of his actions) have built up for months, if you will.

: There was no "ban Merv" caucus or calls from said non-existant caucus to ban Merv that lobbied me; Merv acted uncivily and nearly scared off new and even established contributors (that I know about, anyway), as a result, was banned indefinitely, until he wishes to act like a respectful human being and not the overbearing person he's projected himself to be.

: If Merv wants to be a part of a community, he can't act like the progeny of a prima donna and pitbull. Such progency and the goals of a productive community are mutually exclusive and have no place with one another.

: Humility. Integrity. Respect. Honesty. Collaboration. These are things that the wiki stands for and, quite frankly, Merv's actions do not fit in line with the philosophies of this wiki. And, needless to say, Merv is being watched very carefully [http://www.mortalstorm.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1012 now more than ever even from people who have better uses for their valuable time]. Think about that for a moment, or for as long as you need to... why would people waste their valuable time to watch him like a hawk?

: I think there is something very wrong with this picture, and it is something I have no desire to have this wiki be a part of. Hence my executive decision. Now I've said enough and have better things to accomplish... do excuse me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:18, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks Joe for making such a concerted effort to explain yourself further. I think it helps make this page intelligible. It still bothers me somewhat that most of your complaints are from behaviour that is not clear & present but now ancient history as in it does make the timing seem somewhat arbitrary. If you were going to ban Merv over the KR incident then it should have been done long ago. To now name that incident as a major reason for his banning doesn't make much sense. The things you are saying about fresh altercations with new wiki members are very relevant but you seem to be not at liberty to discuss them further, which is unfortunate because that should be the meat of your case: it is that stuff that would be the most justifiable support for a move like this at this time, not the KR thing. Sometimes when you take a shotgun approach you damage your case, because it isn't clear to anyone exactly why all the stuff is a good reason now but wasn't a good reason then (is there is a timer that goes off six months after a bad act that results in a banning?). It invites speculation as to what is happening behind the scenes. Too bad you can't much talk about what I consider to be the only valid reasons you have named for taking a fresh look at Merv's membership status; knowing the history I'll take your word for it, but laying out this recent evidence would have been far preferable. I hope you know this and will consider how important that is in making this kind of announcement. The wiki is not in control of Merv's actions; but it is in control of its own actions, and the transparency and above-boardness with which you handle a banning speaks much more directly to the character of this place than anything done by one of its members.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 14:48, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I agree, Dogger - I feel that I must give Joe the benefit of the doubt on this matter, but we are at great risk of setting a bad precedent here. I eagerly anticipate a final report on the off-wiki behavior of Merv's which justified this. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:07, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:Bad precedent, indeed. If I've read your arguments correctly, then generalized bad behavior AWAY from bsgwiki is considerable cause for banning ON bsgwiki. In light of this, I have a list of usernames I'd like to see banned for some serious bad behvaior on skiffy. Where would you like those names sent? What if I wanted to complain about Joe's "executive decision making" on this "community run board?" Who would I submit those anonymous, unrepeatable, and unspecified charges to? Just curious. Would it be possible for you "leaders" to post a really good list of offenses off-board that will get me banned here? I mean, I flipped off the guy who cut me off in traffic today. AND I made a really mean joke about Dualla on Skiffy sometime back and I REALLY upset a lot of people. Can I expect my login here to stop working? -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:01, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::If he wanted to be hated by the community in his own fashintion he can, but as soon as you link bad behaviour with the wiki using the wiki as a tool that's not correct. No ''one'' person speaks for the wiki, except Joe. I don't see any other users setting up camp on the SciFi Forums who speaks for the wikiw and then on top of that, "acts in bad faith" using the wiki as a tool. Name someone else who uses the wiki as a refernece on the SciFi forums in a bad manor. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:14, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::So, it was the incident from several months ago that prompted the banning (as opposed to recent, mysterious incidents) because he used battlestarwiki to paint a user in an extremely negative light. Not unlike, um, using the administrative banning function and associated talk pages to publicly humiliate a user with as broad coverage as possible. Oh, wait. Did I say that out loud? -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:31, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::I did not say that. Joe statied it's a number of reasons. Current and past. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:41, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Alrighty, I think the blonde girl has finally caught up with the logic train. The banning was the result of an offense committed months ago (that Joe is now also guilty of - using bsgwiki pages to publicly humiliate another member of fandom) and mysterious, unspecified charges levied by persons unknown. Got it. I do appreciate the clarifications. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:48, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Aeryn, I thank you for sharing your point of view with us. It is very welcomed, although I would like to ask that you please calm yourself. This isn't end of the world type stuff we're talking about here.
:::However, you need to know that Merv placed himself in a position where he and the wiki were intertwined; this isn't one of our contributors going out and making mean or sexists jokes on the SciFi Bulletin Boards. (It's up to SciFi's administration on whether or not to deter that kind of behavior, not ours.) Essentially, '''had he not placed himself in a position to act (and insinuate that he was) the wiki's ''unauthorized'' promoter or placed the ''unauthorized'' banner beneath his posts with the URL and icon to this wiki then his off-wiki behavior would have never been brought into question'''. And this is not a one time incident, hence the creation of our [[BW:OR|Official Representation]] policy which, ironically or not, Merv supported. To go with what Peter said in one of Merv's previous RFAs, I am not concerned about what other people think of a contributor -- unless they ''deliberately'' placed themselves in a position to use the wiki as a backing to advance his own agendas. Agendas that he has made clear in the past. I am concerned about the image of the wiki, as well as ensuring that no ones contributions have been in vain because of the acts of a person or group out to advance an agenda. (This agenda will be made crystal clear once the dossier on Merv's overall behaviors on and off wiki have been completed and published.)
:::I will also state again that everything has a ''cumulative'' effect and Merv's behavior on-wiki has come first circle, much to the point where we nearly lost one very good contributor. For some time now I (and others) have had to deal with Merv's behavior to others and try to mitigate the damage. Were it not for the work of the dedicated individuals in this community to retain those upset members, we would have lost more people than Merv.
:::As you yourself may not be aware, we as admins and contributors have tried to make Merv understand that his treatment of others is destructive and damaging to a community. None of his behaviors to date are a surprise to either myself nor anyone else here who has been for more than six months. The fact that I had to perma-ban Merv disappoints me, because it tells me we have failed to help Merv modify his social skills to a point where he can be respectful of others and their opinions, regardless of whether he views them as "moronic" or vapid from his point of view.
:::At this point, my concern is whether or not the wiki will recover from the damage Merv's inflicted. For a place he claims to love so much, he's endangered all our work here with his actions... and I've sid enough, because I will wait for the dossier to come out and then, as it is said, the truth will attend to itself, because it always does one way or the other. And then you can all do with the dossier what you will; you can believe or not. The choice to believe or not to believe is up to you.
:::Thank you for your interest and your concern. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:51, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Joe, I find your comment to be condenscending and mean-spirited. I engaged your representative in a dialog concerning your unilateral action and your response is a very rude "calm yourself." I demand an apology for your poor judgment in dealing with me since I am, as far as I know, a member in good standing of this community. Your use of harsh words and offensive tone was derogative and completely unwarranted; I am deeply insulted and plan on quitting this board unless you apologize immediately. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:58, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Aeryn, I did not mean to be mean spirited; I'm sorry if you viewed my words as mean spirited, I am merely concerned about ensuring that everyone remains calm. It does no one any good to act irrationally. I recognize that this is a highly emotional situation. For instance, I myself am not fond of making this decision, but all I ask is that people please wait until the evidence comes to light. Then you and everyone will better understand why I banned Merv for the ultimate good of this community. That's all I ask right now during this difficult time. Thank you. Now I'm going to get some sleep. Good night everyone. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:15, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

As a minor point of interest, a true apology is one in which the offender says "I am sorry for what I said/did" (taking responsibility for his actions) NOT one in which the offender says "I am sorry you didn't understand what I said/did" (taking no responsibility for his actions and placing blame on the other party). There is a difference. I am inclined to observe that the efforts to reform the student may not have succeeded because the teachers suffered the same failings. This is just a hypothesis, of course.

I AM one to mince words but I will get to the point anyway (finally). You had an opportunity and ability to handle this privately with Mero. But you chose instead to make a broad, public statement via a project page and associated discussion; you CHOSE to publicly humilate someone who has worked tirelessly on behalf of your pet project when you had the opportunity to be silent and let the pieces fall where they may. From where I sit, this says much more about you and your approach to this "community" than it does about Mero. In the same project page you tout your "executive decision making" powers but try to convince us "we are all one." The latter rings false in the shadow of the former.

Whether I agree with your decision or not is really irrelevant and I certainly do not dispute your right to make the call but I have serious doubts about your sincerity in light of your approach. This doesn't feel like the results of careful consideration and thoughtful examination of facts. It feels like opportunistic public flogging designed to inflict the most damage possible and to "recruit" people to your point of view. These aren't the actions of a good, reasonable administrator.

Of course, everyone here will agree that I am no one of any importance - just the hall monitor - and my opinions don't really matter all that much but I would invite you to consider that what has transpired here (the public nature of your decision implementation) may appease a few but many others will remember this course of events in a less positive light. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 00:45, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I'm not going to comment on any opinions here, but you made a false assertion of fact. ''[http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/a/a0370100.html Apology]'' has three meanings; loosely, one corresponds to your "I am sorry for what I said/did," and another corresponds to your "I am sorry you didn't understand what I said/did." --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 11:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

== A comment by Elach and replies to it ==

Wow, what an interesting exercise in community this is! And in the transgression of a community’s stated and unstated rules. I think it is great that people care enough to spend the time to debate what is acceptable and what is intolerable and in doing so, they are taking a major step in defining what the Battlestar Wiki community really stands for. (I’m reading a book right now about the trial of Socrates that argues that particular moment in history recast Athenian society forever, and I can’t help but be struck by the parallels.)

Regarding the matter at hand, namely, dear Mr. Merovingian … I have to say I have personally experienced his insensitivity, his high-handedness, and his editorial caprice. These encounters have left me smarting sometimes, and more than once I have thought, Frak this! I don’t need to put up with this s—t! and vowed never to visit Battlestar Wiki again. But I always have, and that probably has more to do with my continuing interest in the show, as well as the kindness, helpfulness and generosity of others I have met here online.

From what I know, and what I have read here, The Merovingian has clearly stepped on a lot of toes and crossed a lot of lines he probably shouldn’t have. But I believe he cares a great deal about Battlestar Galactica, and the world of the fans, and we should try to give him a chance to do the right thing, make amends, and find a new and probably different place for himself in the group … if that is still possible. We owe him that, at the very least. Now, I said, “if that is still possible.” I personally have no problem with him staying, on some amended basis, but that is really a collective decision.

I do know that, regarding his recent mysterious transgressions that have brought him to this precipice, I think we as a community need to know what he is accused of doing, even if it is only “behavior unbecoming” a whatever, not so much for his sake, but for the sake of everybody else. We need to know where the lines are, so we can know when they are being crossed. It may be painful and humiliating for The Merovingian, and difficult and embarrassing for the leaders of Battlestar Wiki, but clearing the air is the only way I believe we can move forward at this point, and openness and plain-dealing should be something we strive for among everyone who wants to participate.

Those are my humble thoughts, anyway. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 02:31, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:::One of the cold facts about the Wiki and all internet boards is that they are not truely public squares. People or companies own them and those people or companies have the right to exercise "landlord" privledges, whether we like it or not. There are no hall monitors, no apriori entitlements to due process and no real obligations to act on an exclusivly logical basis. Joe owns this Wiki and he can evict whoever he wants. The tension this creates for a Wiki is that Wiki's are meant to be democratic exercises in the sense that they are community efforts. This can make the banning of a contributor, especially someone as prolific as Mero, seem aganst the spirit of what this place is meant to be. Which brings us to the issue of Mero.

:::Just to put my biases right on the table: I'm a Mortal Storm and Moist Board memeber and I've publically resisted any of Mero's attempts to curry favor or positions of authority in this fan base in several venues. I don't know him outside his presentation here or on the boards, I just know what tone he strikes online.

:::I support Joe's decision because I think Mero's ban will have the paradoxical effect of making the Wiki a more democratic effort. At place after place after place, Mero treats people he deems unworthy with sneering contempt, presents himself in self aggrandizing ways and seeks to quietly or overtly assume a role of authority. His treatment of newbies at Skiffy is one example. His repeated reffrences to his own intelligence and accomplishments is another. His repeated attempts to gain admin status at Wiki and his advocating for fan moderators at Skiffy rond out the trifecta. He displays in his online behavior the combination of power lust and disdain for others that would make what is a hobby for most of us a huge pain in the ass. I'm a grown man with a job, a family and accomplishments of my own. I come to these places to kick back and have fun, not cow-tow to someone who thinks they run boards with "an iron fist." My gut reaction to these kinds of behaviors is "WTF dude, I'm not gonna hang out for this."

:::Which is exactly the point.

:::With all due respect to the good folks who run this place and all the nice people in this fan base: what we do here is nerdy entertainment, not anything to be taken seriously. Petty nerdy bickering and pretentiousness is par for the course when you get a group of smart and detail oriented folks hanging around together. If it were just that level of stuff from Mero, it would be the usual online social background noise. Mero takes it a step further, treating people in a way that makes them want to go elsewhere, without comment or rebuke, to just go away. That kind of thing is deadly for a Wiki, which is premised on the idea of folks coming together and sharing their contributions in a collaborative, respectful manner.

:::Mero's investment in the Wiki has led him to make overt and subtle statements to both associate him with the Wiki and overstate his role in it's administaration. I did not compile what follows, and I apologize to the person who did for using their work without citation or permission, but it is a selection of what I mean.

:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1521770&Searchpage=8&Main=1521313&Words=wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1521770
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/printthread.php?Board=BattlestarGalactica&main=1634504&type=post
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1643559&Searchpage=7&Main=1643092&Words=wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1643559
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1672875&Searchpage=6&Main=1672384&Words=Wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1672875
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1693478&Searchpage=6&Main=1692682&Words=Wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1693478
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/printthread.php?Board=BattlestarGalactica&main=1775993&type=post
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1775993&Searchpage=5&Main=1638887&Words=Wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1775993]

:::This kind of behavor sends the message that Mero runs this place. He doesn't. It sends the message that it's his playground and that he exercises editorial power. He doesn't. If I ran a place meant to encourage people to contibute and join the fun, this is the very last thing I would want one of my members doing. Joe has been patient and measured in trying to give Mero feedback and to clarify who speaks for this place, but it's continued all the same. When you tell people to stop acting like they speak in your name and they continue to do so, it's time to pull the microphone. Mero doesn't deserve to be tarred and feathered every time he posts. He needs to stop treating people poorly while expecting to be treated like a noble personage, and then talking about his role at the BSW.

:::Ugly, sad business, but the right move.
:::--[[User:Cranky1c|Cranky1c]] 07:48, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::::I only find links 2 and 4 to be especially damning. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:48, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::[http://hb.battlestarwiki.org/images/mervsig.jpg was the sig] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Dear Cranky1c et al., I hear what you guys are saying and the points generally seem well-taken and -substantiated. I'm relatively new here, and quite frankly not that active, but I personally would rather give a guy one chance too many than prematurely condemn him. That's all I'm saying. We will all need a little compassion and another (probably undeserved) chance sometime in our lives. Maybe this is The Merovingian's time. As someone said, this is Joe's creation, his baby, probably he is the only one who can give The Merovingian another chance at this point, and set the conditions for that reprieve. But I believe there are no places in Hell for the overly compassionate. I have probably said too much on this topic already. I'm done. I leave the rest to others. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 12:19, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[User:Shane|Shane]]'s Comments ==

While Merv might see this as a sudden "ban", I don't really think it was. Merv has been giving tons of opportunity to mend relationships with the community a dozen of times. A simple, "Thank you" or "I am sorry." or "I made a mistake. Please forgive it." would have gone a long way.

I realize now, after all this time, that [[User:Peter Farago]] deserved a sorry from me because of the two RFC's I filled against him in protest in defending Merv's actions. While I got one a while back when my first RFC was posted by Peter.

Merv, if you want to discuss the polices that you broke, all you need to do is look up all the pages in the Battlestar Wiki namespace. The admins gave you tons of chances and though maybe a mistake on their part for now being more tough on the rules, you should have been able to follow your own suggestions as you did when voting for the [[BW:OR]] policy, the first one in-fact. The [[BW:TANK]] was created so I had an avenue to get my ideas out and you know what.. it worked. the [[BW:OR]] was for you, you didn't know that, but you through it was a good idea after the KR incident.

You say you could not use the high complex templates? I was always willing to help, yet I never got a message saying something. I hope, that you can make peace with yourself, otherwise you will never be able to get along with people in real life. If you were so ambitious why you were blocked, do a search on your username in all the forums that you do. Re-read your posts. Look at where you might have said something that might have offended people. You said once that the Battlestar Wiki article that it was deleted and should not have been because it was just like Memory Alpha. Memory Alpha is a bit larger and it has a little bit more fame since it's been around. But did you ever check the AFD page? Joe, an admin of Wikipedia, voted to delete it. ([[State of the Wiki II]])

As for the wiki, drastic actions as in resorting to outside forums to further your cause also inside the wiki was not a good idea. When you first did it with me and the portals, I found info on two different forums. One was SciFi and the other was the GalacicaBS forums. Why am I being smeared to something that would have a positive effect on the wiki as a whole? Why?

Do you want to know why the person came to me? Because they didn't know if they could bring issues to Joe directly. It could have been the other way around and I could have been out-of-the loop up to the ban and still not what was going on. People came to be because I was fair and have always been fair. (Also since I have direct contact with Joe kinda helps, but that's a side factor). I don't know why you think it was the guys over a MS or Frackheads (?). Can't you think that it ''was'' someone who was part of the Wiki? And before you ask yourself, it was not me. Granted, I spend a ton of time here, and know what goes on, I know how people feel.

Anyway, you can contact me via email if you want. You know how.

P.S. Adminship does not grant one "ambasatorship".

P.S.S. If you can prove to the heart that you can be curtiousto others and show that you can repect over people for what they do and how they do it, you will never know if you will be allowed back here. Take this as a vacation as I did. Come back with a fresh view. It might be benifit to your understanding with Joe and the community. You can only prove it to yourself that you can be true to the guidelines of the site that you love.

--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:56, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Merv needs to grow up. The guy has shown that he has little social skills and alienates fans who don't need to know about the board politics. It's not about him; it's about the show. If he wants to show some humility he'll continue to contribute without attribution. Starting with the podcast transcriptions.{{unsigned|Hal Levolier}}
:So "we'll ban you but we want you to submit work anyway"? 'Some nerve' doesn't even begin to describe this comment. If Merv doesn't submit those transcripts it proves nothing other than that he understandably doesn't feel motivated to contribute anything to a community that has declared him an outcast. What else would anyone expect? The sense of entitlement here to hours of the man's free labour is kind of breathtaking. If he is banned, then let him move on with his life and find somewhere else to place his efforts. To make this kind of statement that in order to prove his humility he needs to submit not ONLY for free but without credit, is just repugnant. What has happened to this place?--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 01:29, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::Okay never mind. I just checked and Hal Levolier has never edited anything around here, so while that doesn't render his opinion invalid, he wasn't (at least I hope not) expressing any expectation among the regular contributors. Merv's banned, so he's probably done contributing. Nobody should be expecting otherwise.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 01:55, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Eloch, or Merv, just fork over the podcasts and take your medicine.{{unsigned|Hal Levolier}}
:Hal Levolier, it's interesting that you accuse me of artifice, deceit and breaking the rules when you hide behind unsigned comments that cast aspirations on others apparently just because you don't agree with what they are saying. I am who I say I am, and I stand by my comments as my own, and I will submit to any examination that the administrators of this site care to apply to me. Anyone who is governed by reason and compassion will recognize the truth of what I say and the genuineness of my sentiments. Which is more than can be said for you and your postings. Until I hear from you again (and I'm sure I will), I remain steadfast and eternally ... --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 04:29, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::Keep it [[Wikipedia:WP:CIVIL|WP:CIVIL]] guys. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I apologize to Hal, if people feel I have crossed the line. I thought the most I had said was that his own writing does not appear as reasonal, compassionate or genuine as my own. And that only after he accused me of being The Merovingian in disguise, both here and on my own User page. I leave it to the community to decide which is the more uncivil act. But there is enough ill-feeling flying around, and it was never my intention to add to it. So I apologize.--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 11:54, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Takes us a sec to see if it was Merv. So unless otherwise told, it won't be merv. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:05, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki talk:The Merovingian Ban

2006-09-02T16:54:16Z

Elach: /* Shane's Comments */

<div class="messagebox"><h3>Please REMEMBER TO BE COURTEOUS and [[Wikipedia:WP:CIVIL|WP:CIVIL]] AS The Merovingian CAN NOT RESPOND. This is a remember to all parties adding comments to this page... myself included. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:00, 1 September 2006 (CDT)</h3></div>
== Comments ==
It must have been a hard decision to take such a drastic action, but I'm sure that this move will only benefit the wiki in the future. --[[User:Ribsy|Ribsy]] 00:14, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:I'm intrigued to know what's happened in the last few days for such a hard decision to be made. I was on vacation from the wiki all last week and I dont use Skiffy boards or other forums to know what happens off-wiki... --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:07, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:I suspect the off-wiki behavior has just come to a head. But I'd not speculate further. We are what we are outside and inside the wiki. While Merv's face was improving here, it seems he began to claim the wiki as his own, and this isn't a place we can take ownership in. We can all take pride in adding our own contributions to form, together, one great resource for everyone, yes, but we can not take ownership to be point of being catty, rude or representing yourself as a wiki official without authorization. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:42, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::It was not only that, but his general behavior to people off-wiki -- his behavior even prompted RDM's own wife, Terry, who posts on the SciFi.com boards as "Mrs Ron", to [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=2056843&Searchpage=1&Main=2056837&Words=moron+The_Merovingian&topic=&Search=true#Post2056843 warn Merv about his's own behavior]. (In light of how she herself is painted as "a champion of [Merv's] bad behavior", I do not envy her current position as well, which apparently [http://www.mortalstorm.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1012 mirrors our own] in some ways.) What I do know through conversing with others who aren't contributors to the Wiki, but have their pulse on the fandom, is that he has damaged the wiki through his actions as he is associated with us. (He's made this association clear through a banner on the SciFi.com boards, a banner that I will ask be removed from his signature immediately.) I ''know'' that he's caused damage to the wiki; it's not like any of this is not out there on the boards and the like -- it is. I've tried to establsh damage control, hence the [[BW:OR|Official Representation]] policy, which, I will freely admit, is a direct response to Merv's previous actions. He has (almost) cost us a very good contributor in the process just within the ''last 48 hours'' and, in talking with others, I have determined that an RFC would have caused much, much more issues than the primary issue we were attempting to fix. I'll make it pretty clear that this decision was not a spur of the moment; I've thought about it intermittently for some time now, until I could put the pieces together all of the events that have transpired for the last six to eight months, without massive bias on either side of the issue. The sad thing is that it all adds up to a very nasty picture, which I refuse to have this wiki be a part of. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:35, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
I dont need to know about the reasons that leave to Merv´s banning ,hes childish behavior and arrogance are very well known arround the BSG fanbase.These action open the gate to our group of fans that avoided these place because we didnt want any involment to do with the Merovignian.
The FRAKHEADS! and the BSG-55 board will celebrate these desition and ad theyr contributions to the BSG wiki project.

Moctezuma.
BSG-55 FRAKHEADS! {{unsigned|Moctezuma}}--[[User:Moctezuma|Moctezuma]] 19:17, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Dont worry about these site image on the contraire,the relevance of the content and the profesional structure are really amazing, im very pleased to read about a young profesional entrepenour like you and the TEAM that makes these site posible.--[[User:Moctezuma|Moctezuma]] 19:17, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
: Thank you for your kind words. I personally appreciate them. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:22, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

== A comment by Dogger and replies to it ==

I don't understand what has prompted this move at this time, and there is nothing in your announcement, Joe, that really explains it. I have been clued out of the community for a few weeks now, and there may well have been some new incident that showed Merv not only to be unworthy of adminship, but unworthy of editing as well. But if there is, you haven't cited it. When I saw the title of this page I expected to see laid out for me a series of recent references to Merv's transgressions both here and off-site. I didn't get it. Why not? Banning people out of the blue for vaguely generalised past behaviour casts, IMO, an even worse impression on the wiki. Is it because he called somebody a moron in that thread? If it is, just say so. Why the hints and characterisations? Is the trigger that MrsRon spoke against him? I wouldn't call what she wrote a scathing indictment, just a mild voice of reason.

Judging from the arguments I have seen from people on this site in such matters, which have been generally very rational and of a high level, I find this announcement disappointing, more for the content of the announcement than the actual decision that was taken. It comes across as an emotional reaction -- something that I thought the wiki was above indulging. If you were going to ban somebody from editing, I would expect this to include a carefully cited set of examples of his behaviour, not a link to a single slur wrapped in several paragraphs of what basically boils down to 'People don't think he's cool and therefore they think the wiki isn't cool.' I suggest that in the future if you ban anyone from doing anything that you dispense entirely with all of the talk about wiki's reputation (which dominates your announcement and is not on point, i.e. it's not the relevant issue), and instead take a much more rational and carefully laid out approach that concentrates on examples (especially recent ones) of Merv's actual behaviour, because without that, there is no 'there' there. And that presents the appearance at least of having arbitrarily and without careful consideration (but merely out of a sense of fed-upness) chosen a side in what is ultimately a personality conflict in fandom, and chosen the side that will result in the least repercussions for the wiki. As in, maybe if you get rid of Merv the whole conflict will just go away? Okay, leave aside the fact that this doesn't seem to be an actual valid reason for banning anybody; more importantly, what happens to the next target chosen for unpopularity by your secret sources? Do we all have to curry favour now with certain off-wiki fan personalities to remain in good standing here? And exactly who are these people, anyway, with their "fingers on the pulse of fandom"? They don't have their fingers on MY pulse. You might as well have said that Merv has been excommunicated because a shadowy figure came to your doorway and slipped you a note after you left an X on your window. It really leaves an awful impression.

I don't really have time to debate this at length, but I think the way this decision was presented reflects very poorly on the wiki, because I find most of the things you have talked about to be not relevant. Think about somebody with no prior experience of this conflict reading what you just wrote, Joe. You have given this hypothetical newbie almost no actual clear and present reason to believe that The Merovingian is still the imperious dictator you say he is, and instead given him/her a major reason that is right in their face to believe exactly that about you and about the wiki.

I'm not asking that you reverse the decision. I don't know enough to say that. As I say, I have not been privy to what's been going on, which is why the paper-thinness of what is on this page is so glaringly obvious. But I hope that in the future any bannings of longtime members that are under consideration will be handled much more carefully and methodically than what I see here. It also would help if there were reference made to violations of an official policy on exactly what is bannable and what is not. Is being unpopular with other fans a bannable offence? You give a very strong impression here that it is.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 03:22, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

: What prompted the banning were the fact that, repeatedly, editors have tried to up and leave regarding his behavior -- behavior which is well documented on the message boards to which he participates as well as the wiki. It is not only pathetic that I have to keep on talking down contributors who have had issues with Merv, but it is also pathetic that people, like Shane (who isn't even an admin, for pete's sake), have to talk people out of doing such an act. Perhaps you didn't know this, as it wasn't common knowledge, but myself and the other administrators, such as Peter, have been endeavoring to help Merv soften his behavior. For a while, it seems he was improving in his behavior, until the complaints -- from people who hardly participate in message boards -- started rolling in ''again''.

: I'm not going to release names because they have come to me in confidence -- though I do hope that they have the courage to come forward, since I believe it would be cathartic for them. But Merv is directly responsible for us almost losing a very good member of this community 24 hours prior to making my decision.

: We have had issues with Merv for quite some time now, including the whole KR thing which, sad to say, almost damaged the wiki more than I've ever let on. This is detailed in his three Requests for Adminship, which I believe you may have read, as well as throughout the wiki. Feel free to do a search in our wiki, or even a Google search. (As I said, it's all out there for review.)

: Merv has also attempted to comport himself as taking ownership of the wiki on various occassions, despite our attempts to curtail such behavior by establishing [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Representation|our Official Representation policy]]. No one here, including myself (who shoulders the burden of financing, tech support, and being the one who tends to mediate issues here), dares take ownership of the wiki because it is a '''team effort'''. '''We are one''' here; everyone works together to build this reference. If there is someone who tries to use Battlestar Wiki as his personal pulpit, such as in the whole KR thing which is documented in [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Citation_Jihad/Archive02#Koenigrules_.2F_Hollywood_North_Report our archives here], then they will reap the consequences of doing such a thing from not only myself, but from the community.

: Fact of the matter is that I haven't included links due to the fact that his behavior outside the wiki and goals are so glaringly apparent that I believed such a thing was unnecessary; I now know why he was so insistant on [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr.&oldid=48191#RFA getting adminship here at the wiki as well], which was to solidfy a position to be some sort of prima donna information broker in the fandom. (This motivation doubtless lead to the near-disasterous incident with KR, which Peter should be thanked for mitigating.) I firmly believe that Merv never wanted the responsibility; he wanted the title, which is something that the cynical part of me has always suspected.

: To satisfy your curiousity regarding links and a dossier of his behavior on and off wiki, there are people who are working to create a compilation of all of Merv's replies and actions to date. A link to it, most likely in PDF format, will be uploaded to my website and linked here as an archive for all to see upon completion and review. I personally think such a thing is a waste of time, but I want everything out there because the truth will come out sooner or later, as it always does.

: Also, Merv's assertion that people such as Darth Marley have been mailbombing me with complaints is totally ludicrous and strikes me as an indicator of Merv's paranoia, as well as solidifies what I've found to be a characteristic of his personality: that he will take leaps of logic with pithy information and without thorough research. I have never corresponded with Marley or others (I've talked to Larocque, but that's because I respect him for all his work he's done with the original Battlestar Galactica FAQs and so forth); to continue, I've read what they've said on the boards and had I heeded them ''immediately'', this ban would have happened several months ago. Merv's popularity, or lack thereof, had no bearing on this decision -- it was his actions and his treatment of others both on and off wiki that came to a head. Call it the powder keg just waiting to be lit that Merv's actions (and consequences of his actions) have built up for months, if you will.

: There was no "ban Merv" caucus or calls from said non-existant caucus to ban Merv that lobbied me; Merv acted uncivily and nearly scared off new and even established contributors (that I know about, anyway), as a result, was banned indefinitely, until he wishes to act like a respectful human being and not the overbearing person he's projected himself to be.

: If Merv wants to be a part of a community, he can't act like the progeny of a prima donna and pitbull. Such progency and the goals of a productive community are mutually exclusive and have no place with one another.

: Humility. Integrity. Respect. Honesty. Collaboration. These are things that the wiki stands for and, quite frankly, Merv's actions do not fit in line with the philosophies of this wiki. And, needless to say, Merv is being watched very carefully [http://www.mortalstorm.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1012 now more than ever even from people who have better uses for their valuable time]. Think about that for a moment, or for as long as you need to... why would people waste their valuable time to watch him like a hawk?

: I think there is something very wrong with this picture, and it is something I have no desire to have this wiki be a part of. Hence my executive decision. Now I've said enough and have better things to accomplish... do excuse me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:18, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks Joe for making such a concerted effort to explain yourself further. I think it helps make this page intelligible. It still bothers me somewhat that most of your complaints are from behaviour that is not clear & present but now ancient history as in it does make the timing seem somewhat arbitrary. If you were going to ban Merv over the KR incident then it should have been done long ago. To now name that incident as a major reason for his banning doesn't make much sense. The things you are saying about fresh altercations with new wiki members are very relevant but you seem to be not at liberty to discuss them further, which is unfortunate because that should be the meat of your case: it is that stuff that would be the most justifiable support for a move like this at this time, not the KR thing. Sometimes when you take a shotgun approach you damage your case, because it isn't clear to anyone exactly why all the stuff is a good reason now but wasn't a good reason then (is there is a timer that goes off six months after a bad act that results in a banning?). It invites speculation as to what is happening behind the scenes. Too bad you can't much talk about what I consider to be the only valid reasons you have named for taking a fresh look at Merv's membership status; knowing the history I'll take your word for it, but laying out this recent evidence would have been far preferable. I hope you know this and will consider how important that is in making this kind of announcement. The wiki is not in control of Merv's actions; but it is in control of its own actions, and the transparency and above-boardness with which you handle a banning speaks much more directly to the character of this place than anything done by one of its members.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 14:48, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I agree, Dogger - I feel that I must give Joe the benefit of the doubt on this matter, but we are at great risk of setting a bad precedent here. I eagerly anticipate a final report on the off-wiki behavior of Merv's which justified this. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:07, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:Bad precedent, indeed. If I've read your arguments correctly, then generalized bad behavior AWAY from bsgwiki is considerable cause for banning ON bsgwiki. In light of this, I have a list of usernames I'd like to see banned for some serious bad behvaior on skiffy. Where would you like those names sent? What if I wanted to complain about Joe's "executive decision making" on this "community run board?" Who would I submit those anonymous, unrepeatable, and unspecified charges to? Just curious. Would it be possible for you "leaders" to post a really good list of offenses off-board that will get me banned here? I mean, I flipped off the guy who cut me off in traffic today. AND I made a really mean joke about Dualla on Skiffy sometime back and I REALLY upset a lot of people. Can I expect my login here to stop working? -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:01, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::If he wanted to be hated by the community in his own fashintion he can, but as soon as you link bad behaviour with the wiki using the wiki as a tool that's not correct. No ''one'' person speaks for the wiki, except Joe. I don't see any other users setting up camp on the SciFi Forums who speaks for the wikiw and then on top of that, "acts in bad faith" using the wiki as a tool. Name someone else who uses the wiki as a refernece on the SciFi forums in a bad manor. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:14, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::So, it was the incident from several months ago that prompted the banning (as opposed to recent, mysterious incidents) because he used battlestarwiki to paint a user in an extremely negative light. Not unlike, um, using the administrative banning function and associated talk pages to publicly humiliate a user with as broad coverage as possible. Oh, wait. Did I say that out loud? -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:31, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::I did not say that. Joe statied it's a number of reasons. Current and past. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:41, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Alrighty, I think the blonde girl has finally caught up with the logic train. The banning was the result of an offense committed months ago (that Joe is now also guilty of - using bsgwiki pages to publicly humiliate another member of fandom) and mysterious, unspecified charges levied by persons unknown. Got it. I do appreciate the clarifications. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:48, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Aeryn, I thank you for sharing your point of view with us. It is very welcomed, although I would like to ask that you please calm yourself. This isn't end of the world type stuff we're talking about here.
:::However, you need to know that Merv placed himself in a position where he and the wiki were intertwined; this isn't one of our contributors going out and making mean or sexists jokes on the SciFi Bulletin Boards. (It's up to SciFi's administration on whether or not to deter that kind of behavior, not ours.) Essentially, '''had he not placed himself in a position to act (and insinuate that he was) the wiki's ''unauthorized'' promoter or placed the ''unauthorized'' banner beneath his posts with the URL and icon to this wiki then his off-wiki behavior would have never been brought into question'''. And this is not a one time incident, hence the creation of our [[BW:OR|Official Representation]] policy which, ironically or not, Merv supported. To go with what Peter said in one of Merv's previous RFAs, I am not concerned about what other people think of a contributor -- unless they ''deliberately'' placed themselves in a position to use the wiki as a backing to advance his own agendas. Agendas that he has made clear in the past. I am concerned about the image of the wiki, as well as ensuring that no ones contributions have been in vain because of the acts of a person or group out to advance an agenda. (This agenda will be made crystal clear once the dossier on Merv's overall behaviors on and off wiki have been completed and published.)
:::I will also state again that everything has a ''cumulative'' effect and Merv's behavior on-wiki has come first circle, much to the point where we nearly lost one very good contributor. For some time now I (and others) have had to deal with Merv's behavior to others and try to mitigate the damage. Were it not for the work of the dedicated individuals in this community to retain those upset members, we would have lost more people than Merv.
:::As you yourself may not be aware, we as admins and contributors have tried to make Merv understand that his treatment of others is destructive and damaging to a community. None of his behaviors to date are a surprise to either myself nor anyone else here who has been for more than six months. The fact that I had to perma-ban Merv disappoints me, because it tells me we have failed to help Merv modify his social skills to a point where he can be respectful of others and their opinions, regardless of whether he views them as "moronic" or vapid from his point of view.
:::At this point, my concern is whether or not the wiki will recover from the damage Merv's inflicted. For a place he claims to love so much, he's endangered all our work here with his actions... and I've sid enough, because I will wait for the dossier to come out and then, as it is said, the truth will attend to itself, because it always does one way or the other. And then you can all do with the dossier what you will; you can believe or not. The choice to believe or not to believe is up to you.
:::Thank you for your interest and your concern. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:51, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Joe, I find your comment to be condenscending and mean-spirited. I engaged your representative in a dialog concerning your unilateral action and your response is a very rude "calm yourself." I demand an apology for your poor judgment in dealing with me since I am, as far as I know, a member in good standing of this community. Your use of harsh words and offensive tone was derogative and completely unwarranted; I am deeply insulted and plan on quitting this board unless you apologize immediately. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:58, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Aeryn, I did not mean to be mean spirited; I'm sorry if you viewed my words as mean spirited, I am merely concerned about ensuring that everyone remains calm. It does no one any good to act irrationally. I recognize that this is a highly emotional situation. For instance, I myself am not fond of making this decision, but all I ask is that people please wait until the evidence comes to light. Then you and everyone will better understand why I banned Merv for the ultimate good of this community. That's all I ask right now during this difficult time. Thank you. Now I'm going to get some sleep. Good night everyone. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:15, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

As a minor point of interest, a true apology is one in which the offender says "I am sorry for what I said/did" (taking responsibility for his actions) NOT one in which the offender says "I am sorry you didn't understand what I said/did" (taking no responsibility for his actions and placing blame on the other party). There is a difference. I am inclined to observe that the efforts to reform the student may not have succeeded because the teachers suffered the same failings. This is just a hypothesis, of course.

I AM one to mince words but I will get to the point anyway (finally). You had an opportunity and ability to handle this privately with Mero. But you chose instead to make a broad, public statement via a project page and associated discussion; you CHOSE to publicly humilate someone who has worked tirelessly on behalf of your pet project when you had the opportunity to be silent and let the pieces fall where they may. From where I sit, this says much more about you and your approach to this "community" than it does about Mero. In the same project page you tout your "executive decision making" powers but try to convince us "we are all one." The latter rings false in the shadow of the former.

Whether I agree with your decision or not is really irrelevant and I certainly do not dispute your right to make the call but I have serious doubts about your sincerity in light of your approach. This doesn't feel like the results of careful consideration and thoughtful examination of facts. It feels like opportunistic public flogging designed to inflict the most damage possible and to "recruit" people to your point of view. These aren't the actions of a good, reasonable administrator.

Of course, everyone here will agree that I am no one of any importance - just the hall monitor - and my opinions don't really matter all that much but I would invite you to consider that what has transpired here (the public nature of your decision implementation) may appease a few but many others will remember this course of events in a less positive light. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 00:45, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I'm not going to comment on any opinions here, but you made a false assertion of fact. ''[http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/a/a0370100.html Apology]'' has three meanings; loosely, one corresponds to your "I am sorry for what I said/did," and another corresponds to your "I am sorry you didn't understand what I said/did." --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 11:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

== A comment by Elach and replies to it ==

Wow, what an interesting exercise in community this is! And in the transgression of a community’s stated and unstated rules. I think it is great that people care enough to spend the time to debate what is acceptable and what is intolerable and in doing so, they are taking a major step in defining what the Battlestar Wiki community really stands for. (I’m reading a book right now about the trial of Socrates that argues that particular moment in history recast Athenian society forever, and I can’t help but be struck by the parallels.)

Regarding the matter at hand, namely, dear Mr. Merovingian … I have to say I have personally experienced his insensitivity, his high-handedness, and his editorial caprice. These encounters have left me smarting sometimes, and more than once I have thought, Frak this! I don’t need to put up with this s—t! and vowed never to visit Battlestar Wiki again. But I always have, and that probably has more to do with my continuing interest in the show, as well as the kindness, helpfulness and generosity of others I have met here online.

From what I know, and what I have read here, The Merovingian has clearly stepped on a lot of toes and crossed a lot of lines he probably shouldn’t have. But I believe he cares a great deal about Battlestar Galactica, and the world of the fans, and we should try to give him a chance to do the right thing, make amends, and find a new and probably different place for himself in the group … if that is still possible. We owe him that, at the very least. Now, I said, “if that is still possible.” I personally have no problem with him staying, on some amended basis, but that is really a collective decision.

I do know that, regarding his recent mysterious transgressions that have brought him to this precipice, I think we as a community need to know what he is accused of doing, even if it is only “behavior unbecoming” a whatever, not so much for his sake, but for the sake of everybody else. We need to know where the lines are, so we can know when they are being crossed. It may be painful and humiliating for The Merovingian, and difficult and embarrassing for the leaders of Battlestar Wiki, but clearing the air is the only way I believe we can move forward at this point, and openness and plain-dealing should be something we strive for among everyone who wants to participate.

Those are my humble thoughts, anyway. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 02:31, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:::One of the cold facts about the Wiki and all internet boards is that they are not truely public squares. People or companies own them and those people or companies have the right to exercise "landlord" privledges, whether we like it or not. There are no hall monitors, no apriori entitlements to due process and no real obligations to act on an exclusivly logical basis. Joe owns this Wiki and he can evict whoever he wants. The tension this creates for a Wiki is that Wiki's are meant to be democratic exercises in the sense that they are community efforts. This can make the banning of a contributor, especially someone as prolific as Mero, seem aganst the spirit of what this place is meant to be. Which brings us to the issue of Mero.

:::Just to put my biases right on the table: I'm a Mortal Storm and Moist Board memeber and I've publically resisted any of Mero's attempts to curry favor or positions of authority in this fan base in several venues. I don't know him outside his presentation here or on the boards, I just know what tone he strikes online.

:::I support Joe's decision because I think Mero's ban will have the paradoxical effect of making the Wiki a more democratic effort. At place after place after place, Mero treats people he deems unworthy with sneering contempt, presents himself in self aggrandizing ways and seeks to quietly or overtly assume a role of authority. His treatment of newbies at Skiffy is one example. His repeated reffrences to his own intelligence and accomplishments is another. His repeated attempts to gain admin status at Wiki and his advocating for fan moderators at Skiffy rond out the trifecta. He displays in his online behavior the combination of power lust and disdain for others that would make what is a hobby for most of us a huge pain in the ass. I'm a grown man with a job, a family and accomplishments of my own. I come to these places to kick back and have fun, not cow-tow to someone who thinks they run boards with "an iron fist." My gut reaction to these kinds of behaviors is "WTF dude, I'm not gonna hang out for this."

:::Which is exactly the point.

:::With all due respect to the good folks who run this place and all the nice people in this fan base: what we do here is nerdy entertainment, not anything to be taken seriously. Petty nerdy bickering and pretentiousness is par for the course when you get a group of smart and detail oriented folks hanging around together. If it were just that level of stuff from Mero, it would be the usual online social background noise. Mero takes it a step further, treating people in a way that makes them want to go elsewhere, without comment or rebuke, to just go away. That kind of thing is deadly for a Wiki, which is premised on the idea of folks coming together and sharing their contributions in a collaborative, respectful manner.

:::Mero's investment in the Wiki has led him to make overt and subtle statements to both associate him with the Wiki and overstate his role in it's administaration. I did not compile what follows, and I apologize to the person who did for using their work without citation or permission, but it is a selection of what I mean.

:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1521770&Searchpage=8&Main=1521313&Words=wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1521770
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/printthread.php?Board=BattlestarGalactica&main=1634504&type=post
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1643559&Searchpage=7&Main=1643092&Words=wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1643559
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1672875&Searchpage=6&Main=1672384&Words=Wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1672875
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1693478&Searchpage=6&Main=1692682&Words=Wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1693478
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/printthread.php?Board=BattlestarGalactica&main=1775993&type=post
:::http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=1775993&Searchpage=5&Main=1638887&Words=Wiki&topic=&Search=true#Post1775993]

:::This kind of behavor sends the message that Mero runs this place. He doesn't. It sends the message that it's his playground and that he exercises editorial power. He doesn't. If I ran a place meant to encourage people to contibute and join the fun, this is the very last thing I would want one of my members doing. Joe has been patient and measured in trying to give Mero feedback and to clarify who speaks for this place, but it's continued all the same. When you tell people to stop acting like they speak in your name and they continue to do so, it's time to pull the microphone. Mero doesn't deserve to be tarred and feathered every time he posts. He needs to stop treating people poorly while expecting to be treated like a noble personage, and then talking about his role at the BSW.

:::Ugly, sad business, but the right move.
:::--[[User:Cranky1c|Cranky1c]] 07:48, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

::::I only find links 2 and 4 to be especially damning. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:48, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:::::[http://hb.battlestarwiki.org/images/mervsig.jpg was the sig] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:43, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[User:Shane|Shane]]'s Comments ==

While Merv might see this as a sudden "ban", I don't really think it was. Merv has been giving tons of opportunity to mend relationships with the community a dozen of times. A simple, "Thank you" or "I am sorry." or "I made a mistake. Please forgive it." would have gone a long way.

I realize now, after all this time, that [[User:Peter Farago]] deserved a sorry from me because of the two RFC's I filled against him in protest in defending Merv's actions. While I got one a while back when my first RFC was posted by Peter.

Merv, if you want to discuss the polices that you broke, all you need to do is look up all the pages in the Battlestar Wiki namespace. The admins gave you tons of chances and though maybe a mistake on their part for now being more tough on the rules, you should have been able to follow your own suggestions as you did when voting for the [[BW:OR]] policy, the first one in-fact. The [[BW:TANK]] was created so I had an avenue to get my ideas out and you know what.. it worked. the [[BW:OR]] was for you, you didn't know that, but you through it was a good idea after the KR incident.

You say you could not use the high complex templates? I was always willing to help, yet I never got a message saying something. I hope, that you can make peace with yourself, otherwise you will never be able to get along with people in real life. If you were so ambitious why you were blocked, do a search on your username in all the forums that you do. Re-read your posts. Look at where you might have said something that might have offended people. You said once that the Battlestar Wiki article that it was deleted and should not have been because it was just like Memory Alpha. Memory Alpha is a bit larger and it has a little bit more fame since it's been around. But did you ever check the AFD page? Joe, an admin of Wikipedia, voted to delete it. ([[State of the Wiki II]])

As for the wiki, drastic actions as in resorting to outside forums to further your cause also inside the wiki was not a good idea. When you first did it with me and the portals, I found info on two different forums. One was SciFi and the other was the GalacicaBS forums. Why am I being smeared to something that would have a positive effect on the wiki as a whole? Why?

Do you want to know why the person came to me? Because they didn't know if they could bring issues to Joe directly. It could have been the other way around and I could have been out-of-the loop up to the ban and still not what was going on. People came to be because I was fair and have always been fair. (Also since I have direct contact with Joe kinda helps, but that's a side factor). I don't know why you think it was the guys over a MS or Frackheads (?). Can't you think that it ''was'' someone who was part of the Wiki? And before you ask yourself, it was not me. Granted, I spend a ton of time here, and know what goes on, I know how people feel.

Anyway, you can contact me via email if you want. You know how.

P.S. Adminship does not grant one "ambasatorship".

P.S.S. If you can prove to the heart that you can be curtiousto others and show that you can repect over people for what they do and how they do it, you will never know if you will be allowed back here. Take this as a vacation as I did. Come back with a fresh view. It might be benifit to your understanding with Joe and the community. You can only prove it to yourself that you can be true to the guidelines of the site that you love.

--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:56, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Merv needs to grow up. The guy has shown that he has little social skills and alienates fans who don't need to know about the board politics. It's not about him; it's about the show. If he wants to show some humility he'll continue to contribute without attribution. Starting with the podcast transcriptions.{{unsigned|Hal Levolier}}
:So "we'll ban you but we want you to submit work anyway"? 'Some nerve' doesn't even begin to describe this comment. If Merv doesn't submit those transcripts it proves nothing other than that he understandably doesn't feel motivated to contribute anything to a community that has declared him an outcast. What else would anyone expect? The sense of entitlement here to hours of the man's free labour is kind of breathtaking. If he is banned, then let him move on with his life and find somewhere else to place his efforts. To make this kind of statement that in order to prove his humility he needs to submit not ONLY for free but without credit, is just repugnant. What has happened to this place?--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 01:29, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::Okay never mind. I just checked and Hal Levolier has never edited anything around here, so while that doesn't render his opinion invalid, he wasn't (at least I hope not) expressing any expectation among the regular contributors. Merv's banned, so he's probably done contributing. Nobody should be expecting otherwise.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 01:55, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Eloch, or Merv, just fork over the podcasts and take your medicine.{{unsigned|Hal Levolier}}
:Hal Levolier, it's interesting that you accuse me of artifice, deceit and breaking the rules when you hide behind unsigned comments that cast aspirations on others apparently just because you don't agree with what they are saying. I am who I say I am, and I stand by my comments as my own, and I will submit to any examination that the administrators of this site care to apply to me. Anyone who is governed by reason and compassion will recognize the truth of what I say and the genuineness of my sentiments. Which is more than can be said for you and your postings. Until I hear from you again (and I'm sure I will), I remain steadfast and eternally ... --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 04:29, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::Keep it [[Wikipedia:WP:CIVIL|WP:CIVIL]] guys. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:17, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I apologize to Hal, if people feel I have crossed the line. I thought the most I had said was that his own writing does not appear as reasonal, compassionate or genuine as my own. And that only after he accused me of being The Merovingian in disguise, both here and on my own User page. I leave it to the community to decide which is the more uncivil act. But there is enough ill-feeling flying around, and it was never my intention to add to it. So I apologize.--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 11:54, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki talk:The Merovingian Ban

2006-09-02T09:29:56Z

Elach: /* Shane's Comments */

<div class="messagebox"><h3>Please REMEMBER TO BE COURTEOUS and [[Wikipedia:WP:CIVIL|WP:CIVIL]] AS The Merovingian CAN NOT RESPOND. This is a remember to all parties adding comments to this page... myself included. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:00, 1 September 2006 (CDT)</h3></div>
== Comments ==
It must have been a hard decision to take such a drastic action, but I'm sure that this move will only benefit the wiki in the future. --[[User:Ribsy|Ribsy]] 00:14, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:I'm intrigued to know what's happened in the last few days for such a hard decision to be made. I was on vacation from the wiki all last week and I dont use Skiffy boards or other forums to know what happens off-wiki... --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:07, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:I suspect the off-wiki behavior has just come to a head. But I'd not speculate further. We are what we are outside and inside the wiki. While Merv's face was improving here, it seems he began to claim the wiki as his own, and this isn't a place we can take ownership in. We can all take pride in adding our own contributions to form, together, one great resource for everyone, yes, but we can not take ownership to be point of being catty, rude or representing yourself as a wiki official without authorization. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:42, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::It was not only that, but his general behavior to people off-wiki -- his behavior even prompted RDM's own wife, Terry, who posts on the SciFi.com boards as "Mrs Ron", to [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=2056843&Searchpage=1&Main=2056837&Words=moron+The_Merovingian&topic=&Search=true#Post2056843 warn Merv about his's own behavior]. (In light of how she herself is painted as "a champion of [Merv's] bad behavior", I do not envy her current position as well, which apparently [http://www.mortalstorm.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1012 mirrors our own] in some ways.) What I do know through conversing with others who aren't contributors to the Wiki, but have their pulse on the fandom, is that he has damaged the wiki through his actions as he is associated with us. (He's made this association clear through a banner on the SciFi.com boards, a banner that I will ask be removed from his signature immediately.) I ''know'' that he's caused damage to the wiki; it's not like any of this is not out there on the boards and the like -- it is. I've tried to establsh damage control, hence the [[BW:OR|Official Representation]] policy, which, I will freely admit, is a direct response to Merv's previous actions. He has (almost) cost us a very good contributor in the process just within the ''last 48 hours'' and, in talking with others, I have determined that an RFC would have caused much, much more issues than the primary issue we were attempting to fix. I'll make it pretty clear that this decision was not a spur of the moment; I've thought about it intermittently for some time now, until I could put the pieces together all of the events that have transpired for the last six to eight months, without massive bias on either side of the issue. The sad thing is that it all adds up to a very nasty picture, which I refuse to have this wiki be a part of. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:35, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
I dont need to know about the reasons that leave to Merv´s banning ,hes childish behavior and arrogance are very well known arround the BSG fanbase.These action open the gate to our group of fans that avoided these place because we didnt want any involment to do with the Merovignian.
The FRAKHEADS! and the BSG-55 board will celebrate these desition and ad theyr contributions to the BSG wiki project.

Moctezuma.
BSG-55 FRAKHEADS! {{unsigned|Moctezuma}}--[[User:Moctezuma|Moctezuma]] 19:17, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Dont worry about these site image on the contraire,the relevance of the content and the profesional structure are really amazing, im very pleased to read about a young profesional entrepenour like you and the TEAM that makes these site posible.--[[User:Moctezuma|Moctezuma]] 19:17, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
: Thank you for your kind words. I personally appreciate them. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:22, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't understand what has prompted this move at this time, and there is nothing in your announcement, Joe, that really explains it. I have been clued out of the community for a few weeks now, and there may well have been some new incident that showed Merv not only to be unworthy of adminship, but unworthy of editing as well. But if there is, you haven't cited it. When I saw the title of this page I expected to see laid out for me a series of recent references to Merv's transgressions both here and off-site. I didn't get it. Why not? Banning people out of the blue for vaguely generalised past behaviour casts, IMO, an even worse impression on the wiki. Is it because he called somebody a moron in that thread? If it is, just say so. Why the hints and characterisations? Is the trigger that MrsRon spoke against him? I wouldn't call what she wrote a scathing indictment, just a mild voice of reason.

Judging from the arguments I have seen from people on this site in such matters, which have been generally very rational and of a high level, I find this announcement disappointing, more for the content of the announcement than the actual decision that was taken. It comes across as an emotional reaction -- something that I thought the wiki was above indulging. If you were going to ban somebody from editing, I would expect this to include a carefully cited set of examples of his behaviour, not a link to a single slur wrapped in several paragraphs of what basically boils down to 'People don't think he's cool and therefore they think the wiki isn't cool.' I suggest that in the future if you ban anyone from doing anything that you dispense entirely with all of the talk about wiki's reputation (which dominates your announcement and is not on point, i.e. it's not the relevant issue), and instead take a much more rational and carefully laid out approach that concentrates on examples (especially recent ones) of Merv's actual behaviour, because without that, there is no 'there' there. And that presents the appearance at least of having arbitrarily and without careful consideration (but merely out of a sense of fed-upness) chosen a side in what is ultimately a personality conflict in fandom, and chosen the side that will result in the least repercussions for the wiki. As in, maybe if you get rid of Merv the whole conflict will just go away? Okay, leave aside the fact that this doesn't seem to be an actual valid reason for banning anybody; more importantly, what happens to the next target chosen for unpopularity by your secret sources? Do we all have to curry favour now with certain off-wiki fan personalities to remain in good standing here? And exactly who are these people, anyway, with their "fingers on the pulse of fandom"? They don't have their fingers on MY pulse. You might as well have said that Merv has been excommunicated because a shadowy figure came to your doorway and slipped you a note after you left an X on your window. It really leaves an awful impression.

I don't really have time to debate this at length, but I think the way this decision was presented reflects very poorly on the wiki, because I find most of the things you have talked about to be not relevant. Think about somebody with no prior experience of this conflict reading what you just wrote, Joe. You have given this hypothetical newbie almost no actual clear and present reason to believe that The Merovingian is still the imperious dictator you say he is, and instead given him/her a major reason that is right in their face to believe exactly that about you and about the wiki.

I'm not asking that you reverse the decision. I don't know enough to say that. As I say, I have not been privy to what's been going on, which is why the paper-thinness of what is on this page is so glaringly obvious. But I hope that in the future any bannings of longtime members that are under consideration will be handled much more carefully and methodically than what I see here. It also would help if there were reference made to violations of an official policy on exactly what is bannable and what is not. Is being unpopular with other fans a bannable offence? You give a very strong impression here that it is.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 03:22, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

: What prompted the banning were the fact that, repeatedly, editors have tried to up and leave regarding his behavior -- behavior which is well documented on the message boards to which he participates as well as the wiki. It is not only pathetic that I have to keep on talking down contributors who have had issues with Merv, but it is also pathetic that people, like Shane (who isn't even an admin, for pete's sake), have to talk people out of doing such an act. Perhaps you didn't know this, as it wasn't common knowledge, but myself and the other administrators, such as Peter, have been endeavoring to help Merv soften his behavior. For a while, it seems he was improving in his behavior, until the complaints -- from people who hardly participate in message boards -- started rolling in ''again''.

: I'm not going to release names because they have come to me in confidence -- though I do hope that they have the courage to come forward, since I believe it would be cathartic for them. But Merv is directly responsible for us almost losing a very good member of this community 24 hours prior to making my decision.

: We have had issues with Merv for quite some time now, including the whole KR thing which, sad to say, almost damaged the wiki more than I've ever let on. This is detailed in his three Requests for Adminship, which I believe you may have read, as well as throughout the wiki. Feel free to do a search in our wiki, or even a Google search. (As I said, it's all out there for review.)

: Merv has also attempted to comport himself as taking ownership of the wiki on various occassions, despite our attempts to curtail such behavior by establishing [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Representation|our Official Representation policy]]. No one here, including myself (who shoulders the burden of financing, tech support, and being the one who tends to mediate issues here), dares take ownership of the wiki because it is a '''team effort'''. '''We are one''' here; everyone works together to build this reference. If there is someone who tries to use Battlestar Wiki as his personal pulpit, such as in the whole KR thing which is documented in [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Citation_Jihad/Archive02#Koenigrules_.2F_Hollywood_North_Report our archives here], then they will reap the consequences of doing such a thing from not only myself, but from the community.

: Fact of the matter is that I haven't included links due to the fact that his behavior outside the wiki and goals are so glaringly apparent that I believed such a thing was unnecessary; I now know why he was so insistant on [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr.&oldid=48191#RFA getting adminship here at the wiki as well], which was to solidfy a position to be some sort of prima donna information broker in the fandom. (This motivation doubtless lead to the near-disasterous incident with KR, which Peter should be thanked for mitigating.) I firmly believe that Merv never wanted the responsibility; he wanted the title, which is something that the cynical part of me has always suspected.

: To satisfy your curiousity regarding links and a dossier of his behavior on and off wiki, there are people who are working to create a compilation of all of Merv's replies and actions to date. A link to it, most likely in PDF format, will be uploaded to my website and linked here as an archive for all to see upon completion and review. I personally think such a thing is a waste of time, but I want everything out there because the truth will come out sooner or later, as it always does.

: Also, Merv's assertion that people such as Darth Marley have been mailbombing me with complaints is totally ludicrous and strikes me as an indicator of Merv's paranoia, as well as solidifies what I've found to be a characteristic of his personality: that he will take leaps of logic with pithy information and without thorough research. I have never corresponded with Marley or others (I've talked to Larocque, but that's because I respect him for all his work he's done with the original Battlestar Galactica FAQs and so forth); to continue, I've read what they've said on the boards and had I heeded them ''immediately'', this ban would have happened several months ago. Merv's popularity, or lack thereof, had no bearing on this decision -- it was his actions and his treatment of others both on and off wiki that came to a head. Call it the powder keg just waiting to be lit that Merv's actions (and consequences of his actions) have built up for months, if you will.

: There was no "ban Merv" caucus or calls from said non-existant caucus to ban Merv that lobbied me; Merv acted uncivily and nearly scared off new and even established contributors (that I know about, anyway), as a result, was banned indefinitely, until he wishes to act like a respectful human being and not the overbearing person he's projected himself to be.

: If Merv wants to be a part of a community, he can't act like the progeny of a prima donna and pitbull. Such progency and the goals of a productive community are mutually exclusive and have no place with one another.

: Humility. Integrity. Respect. Honesty. Collaboration. These are things that the wiki stands for and, quite frankly, Merv's actions do not fit in line with the philosophies of this wiki. And, needless to say, Merv is being watched very carefully [http://www.mortalstorm.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1012 now more than ever even from people who have better uses for their valuable time]. Think about that for a moment, or for as long as you need to... why would people waste their valuable time to watch him like a hawk?

: I think there is something very wrong with this picture, and it is something I have no desire to have this wiki be a part of. Hence my executive decision. Now I've said enough and have better things to accomplish... do excuse me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:18, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks Joe for making such a concerted effort to explain yourself further. I think it helps make this page intelligible. It still bothers me somewhat that most of your complaints are from behaviour that is not clear & present but now ancient history as in it does make the timing seem somewhat arbitrary. If you were going to ban Merv over the KR incident then it should have been done long ago. To now name that incident as a major reason for his banning doesn't make much sense. The things you are saying about fresh altercations with new wiki members are very relevant but you seem to be not at liberty to discuss them further, which is unfortunate because that should be the meat of your case: it is that stuff that would be the most justifiable support for a move like this at this time, not the KR thing. Sometimes when you take a shotgun approach you damage your case, because it isn't clear to anyone exactly why all the stuff is a good reason now but wasn't a good reason then (is there is a timer that goes off six months after a bad act that results in a banning?). It invites speculation as to what is happening behind the scenes. Too bad you can't much talk about what I consider to be the only valid reasons you have named for taking a fresh look at Merv's membership status; knowing the history I'll take your word for it, but laying out this recent evidence would have been far preferable. I hope you know this and will consider how important that is in making this kind of announcement. The wiki is not in control of Merv's actions; but it is in control of its own actions, and the transparency and above-boardness with which you handle a banning speaks much more directly to the character of this place than anything done by one of its members.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 14:48, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I agree, Dogger - I feel that I must give Joe the benefit of the doubt on this matter, but we are at great risk of setting a bad precedent here. I eagerly anticipate a final report on the off-wiki behavior of Merv's which justified this. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:07, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:Bad precedent, indeed. If I've read your arguments correctly, then generalized bad behavior AWAY from bsgwiki is considerable cause for banning ON bsgwiki. In light of this, I have a list of usernames I'd like to see banned for some serious bad behvaior on skiffy. Where would you like those names sent? What if I wanted to complain about Joe's "executive decision making" on this "community run board?" Who would I submit those anonymous, unrepeatable, and unspecified charges to? Just curious. Would it be possible for you "leaders" to post a really good list of offenses off-board that will get me banned here? I mean, I flipped off the guy who cut me off in traffic today. AND I made a really mean joke about Dualla on Skiffy sometime back and I REALLY upset a lot of people. Can I expect my login here to stop working? -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:01, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::If he wanted to be hated by the community in his own fashintion he can, but as soon as you link bad behaviour with the wiki using the wiki as a tool that's not correct. No ''one'' person speaks for the wiki, except Joe. I don't see any other users setting up camp on the SciFi Forums who speaks for the wikiw and then on top of that, "acts in bad faith" using the wiki as a tool. Name someone else who uses the wiki as a refernece on the SciFi forums in a bad manor. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:14, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::So, it was the incident from several months ago that prompted the banning (as opposed to recent, mysterious incidents) because he used battlestarwiki to paint a user in an extremely negative light. Not unlike, um, using the administrative banning function and associated talk pages to publicly humiliate a user with as broad coverage as possible. Oh, wait. Did I say that out loud? -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:31, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::I did not say that. Joe statied it's a number of reasons. Current and past. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:41, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Alrighty, I think the blonde girl has finally caught up with the logic train. The banning was the result of an offense committed months ago (that Joe is now also guilty of - using bsgwiki pages to publicly humiliate another member of fandom) and mysterious, unspecified charges levied by persons unknown. Got it. I do appreciate the clarifications. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:48, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Aeryn, I thank you for sharing your point of view with us. It is very welcomed, although I would like to ask that you please calm yourself. This isn't end of the world type stuff we're talking about here.
:::However, you need to know that Merv placed himself in a position where he and the wiki were intertwined; this isn't one of our contributors going out and making mean or sexists jokes on the SciFi Bulletin Boards. (It's up to SciFi's administration on whether or not to deter that kind of behavior, not ours.) Essentially, '''had he not placed himself in a position to act (and insinuate that he was) the wiki's ''unauthorized'' promoter or placed the ''unauthorized'' banner beneath his posts with the URL and icon to this wiki then his off-wiki behavior would have never been brought into question'''. And this is not a one time incident, hence the creation of our [[BW:OR|Official Representation]] policy which, ironically or not, Merv supported. To go with what Peter said in one of Merv's previous RFAs, I am not concerned about what other people think of a contributor -- unless they ''deliberately'' placed themselves in a position to use the wiki as a backing to advance his own agendas. Agendas that he has made clear in the past. I am concerned about the image of the wiki, as well as ensuring that no ones contributions have been in vain because of the acts of a person or group out to advance an agenda. (This agenda will be made crystal clear once the dossier on Merv's overall behaviors on and off wiki have been completed and published.)
:::I will also state again that everything has a ''cumulative'' effect and Merv's behavior on-wiki has come first circle, much to the point where we nearly lost one very good contributor. For some time now I (and others) have had to deal with Merv's behavior to others and try to mitigate the damage. Were it not for the work of the dedicated individuals in this community to retain those upset members, we would have lost more people than Merv.
:::As you yourself may not be aware, we as admins and contributors have tried to make Merv understand that his treatment of others is destructive and damaging to a community. None of his behaviors to date are a surprise to either myself nor anyone else here who has been for more than six months. The fact that I had to perma-ban Merv disappoints me, because it tells me we have failed to help Merv modify his social skills to a point where he can be respectful of others and their opinions, regardless of whether he views them as "moronic" or vapid from his point of view.
:::At this point, my concern is whether or not the wiki will recover from the damage Merv's inflicted. For a place he claims to love so much, he's endangered all our work here with his actions... and I've sid enough, because I will wait for the dossier to come out and then, as it is said, the truth will attend to itself, because it always does one way or the other. And then you can all do with the dossier what you will; you can believe or not. The choice to believe or not to believe is up to you.
:::Thank you for your interest and your concern. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:51, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Joe, I find your comment to be condenscending and mean-spirited. I engaged your representative in a dialog concerning your unilateral action and your response is a very rude "calm yourself." I demand an apology for your poor judgment in dealing with me since I am, as far as I know, a member in good standing of this community. Your use of harsh words and offensive tone was derogative and completely unwarranted; I am deeply insulted and plan on quitting this board unless you apologize immediately. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:58, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Aeryn, I did not mean to be mean spirited; I'm sorry if you viewed my words as mean spirited, I am merely concerned about ensuring that everyone remains calm. It does no one any good to act irrationally. I recognize that this is a highly emotional situation. For instance, I myself am not fond of making this decision, but all I ask is that people please wait until the evidence comes to light. Then you and everyone will better understand why I banned Merv for the ultimate good of this community. That's all I ask right now during this difficult time. Thank you. Now I'm going to get some sleep. Good night everyone. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:15, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
As a minor point of interest, a true apology is one in which the offender says "I am sorry for what I said/did" (taking responsibility for his actions) NOT one in which the offender says "I am sorry you didn't understand what I said/did" (taking no responsibility for his actions and placing blame on the other party). There is a difference. I am inclined to observe that the efforts to reform the student may not have succeeded because the teachers suffered the same failings. This is just a hypothesis, of course.

I AM one to mince words but I will get to the point anyway (finally). You had an opportunity and ability to handle this privately with Mero. But you chose instead to make a broad, public statement via a project page and associated discussion; you CHOSE to publicly humilate someone who has worked tirelessly on behalf of your pet project when you had the opportunity to be silent and let the pieces fall where they may. From where I sit, this says much more about you and your approach to this "community" than it does about Mero. In the same project page you tout your "executive decision making" powers but try to convince us "we are all one." The latter rings false in the shadow of the former.

Whether I agree with your decision or not is really irrelevant and I certainly do not dispute your right to make the call but I have serious doubts about your sincerity in light of your approach. This doesn't feel like the results of careful consideration and thoughtful examination of facts. It feels like opportunistic public flogging designed to inflict the most damage possible and to "recruit" people to your point of view. These aren't the actions of a good, reasonable administrator.

Of course, everyone here will agree that I am no one of any importance - just the hall monitor - and my opinions don't really matter all that much but I would invite you to consider that what has transpired here (the public nature of your decision implementation) may appease a few but many others will remember this course of events in a less positive light. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 00:45, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Wow, what an interesting exercise in community this is! And in the transgression of a community’s stated and unstated rules. I think it is great that people care enough to spend the time to debate what is acceptable and what is intolerable and in doing so, they are taking a major step in defining what the Battlestar Wiki community really stands for. (I’m reading a book right now about the trial of Socrates that argues that particular moment in history recast Athenian society forever, and I can’t help but be struck by the parallels.)

Regarding the matter at hand, namely, dear Mr. Merovingian … I have to say I have personally experienced his insensitivity, his high-handedness, and his editorial caprice. These encounters have left me smarting sometimes, and more than once I have thought, Frak this! I don’t need to put up with this s—t! and vowed never to visit Battlestar Wiki again. But I always have, and that probably has more to do with my continuing interest in the show, as well as the kindness, helpfulness and generosity of others I have met here online.

From what I know, and what I have read here, The Merovingian has clearly stepped on a lot of toes and crossed a lot of lines he probably shouldn’t have. But I believe he cares a great deal about Battlestar Galactica, and the world of the fans, and we should try to give him a chance to do the right thing, make amends, and find a new and probably different place for himself in the group … if that is still possible. We owe him that, at the very least. Now, I said, “if that is still possible.” I personally have no problem with him staying, on some amended basis, but that is really a collective decision.

I do know that, regarding his recent mysterious transgressions that have brought him to this precipice, I think we as a community need to know what he is accused of doing, even if it is only “behavior unbecoming” a whatever, not so much for his sake, but for the sake of everybody else. We need to know where the lines are, so we can know when they are being crossed. It may be painful and humiliating for The Merovingian, and difficult and embarrassing for the leaders of Battlestar Wiki, but clearing the air is the only way I believe we can move forward at this point, and openness and plain-dealing should be something we strive for among everyone who wants to participate.

Those are my humble thoughts, anyway. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 02:31, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[User:Shane|Shane]]'s Comments ==

While Merv might see this as a sudden "ban", I don't really think it was. Merv has been giving tons of opportunity to mend relationships with the community a dozen of times. A simple, "Thank you" or "I am sorry." or "I made a mistake. Please forgive it." would have gone a long way.

I realize now, after all this time, that [[User:Peter Farago]] deserved a sorry from me because of the two RFC's I filled against him in protest in defending Merv's actions. While I got one a while back when my first RFC was posted by Peter.

Merv, if you want to discuss the polices that you broke, all you need to do is look up all the pages in the Battlestar Wiki namespace. The admins gave you tons of chances and though maybe a mistake on their part for now being more tough on the rules, you should have been able to follow your own suggestions as you did when voting for the [[BW:OR]] policy, the first one in-fact. The [[BW:TANK]] was created so I had an avenue to get my ideas out and you know what.. it worked. the [[BW:OR]] was for you, you didn't know that, but you through it was a good idea after the KR incident.

You say you could not use the high complex templates? I was always willing to help, yet I never got a message saying something. I hope, that you can make peace with yourself, otherwise you will never be able to get along with people in real life. If you were so ambitious why you were blocked, do a search on your username in all the forums that you do. Re-read your posts. Look at where you might have said something that might have offended people. You said once that the Battlestar Wiki article that it was deleted and should not have been because it was just like Memory Alpha. Memory Alpha is a bit larger and it has a little bit more fame since it's been around. But did you ever check the AFD page? Joe, an admin of Wikipedia, voted to delete it. ([[State of the Wiki II]])

As for the wiki, drastic actions as in resorting to outside forums to further your cause also inside the wiki was not a good idea. When you first did it with me and the portals, I found info on two different forums. One was SciFi and the other was the GalacicaBS forums. Why am I being smeared to something that would have a positive effect on the wiki as a whole? Why?

Do you want to know why the person came to me? Because they didn't know if they could bring issues to Joe directly. It could have been the other way around and I could have been out-of-the loop up to the ban and still not what was going on. People came to be because I was fair and have always been fair. (Also since I have direct contact with Joe kinda helps, but that's a side factor). I don't know why you think it was the guys over a MS or Frackheads (?). Can't you think that it ''was'' someone who was part of the Wiki? And before you ask yourself, it was not me. Granted, I spend a ton of time here, and know what goes on, I know how people feel.

Anyway, you can contact me via email if you want. You know how.

P.S. Adminship does not grant one "ambasatorship".

P.S.S. If you can prove to the heart that you can be curtiousto others and show that you can repect over people for what they do and how they do it, you will never know if you will be allowed back here. Take this as a vacation as I did. Come back with a fresh view. It might be benifit to your understanding with Joe and the community. You can only prove it to yourself that you can be true to the guidelines of the site that you love.

--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:56, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Merv needs to grow up. The guy has shown that he has little social skills and alienates fans who don't need to know about the board politics. It's not about him; it's about the show. If he wants to show some humility he'll continue to contribute without attribution. Starting with the podcast transcriptions.{{unsigned|Hal Levolier}}
:So "we'll ban you but we want you to submit work anyway"? 'Some nerve' doesn't even begin to describe this comment. If Merv doesn't submit those transcripts it proves nothing other than that he understandably doesn't feel motivated to contribute anything to a community that has declared him an outcast. What else would anyone expect? The sense of entitlement here to hours of the man's free labour is kind of breathtaking. If he is banned, then let him move on with his life and find somewhere else to place his efforts. To make this kind of statement that in order to prove his humility he needs to submit not ONLY for free but without credit, is just repugnant. What has happened to this place?--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 01:29, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::Okay never mind. I just checked and Hal Levolier has never edited anything around here, so while that doesn't render his opinion invalid, he wasn't (at least I hope not) expressing any expectation among the regular contributors. Merv's banned, so he's probably done contributing. Nobody should be expecting otherwise.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 01:55, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Eloch, or Merv, just fork over the podcasts and take your medicine.
:Hal Levolier, it's interesting that you accuse me of artifice, deceit and breaking the rules when you hide behind unsigned comments that cast aspirations on others apparently just because you don't agree with what they are saying. I am who I say I am, and I stand by my comments as my own, and I will submit to any examination that the administrators of this site care to apply to me. Anyone who is governed by reason and compassion will recognize the truth of what I say and the genuineness of my sentiments. Which is more than can be said for you and your postings. Until I hear from you again (and I'm sure I will), I remain steadfast and eternally ... --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 04:29, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki talk:The Merovingian Ban

2006-09-02T07:31:05Z

Elach: /* Comments */

<div class="messagebox"><h3>Please REMEMBER TO BE COURTEOUS and [[Wikipedia:WP:CIVIL|WP:CIVIL]] AS The Merovingian CAN NOT RESPOND. This is a remember to all parties adding comments to this page... myself included. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:00, 1 September 2006 (CDT)</h3></div>
== Comments ==
It must have been a hard decision to take such a drastic action, but I'm sure that this move will only benefit the wiki in the future. --[[User:Ribsy|Ribsy]] 00:14, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:I'm intrigued to know what's happened in the last few days for such a hard decision to be made. I was on vacation from the wiki all last week and I dont use Skiffy boards or other forums to know what happens off-wiki... --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:07, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:I suspect the off-wiki behavior has just come to a head. But I'd not speculate further. We are what we are outside and inside the wiki. While Merv's face was improving here, it seems he began to claim the wiki as his own, and this isn't a place we can take ownership in. We can all take pride in adding our own contributions to form, together, one great resource for everyone, yes, but we can not take ownership to be point of being catty, rude or representing yourself as a wiki official without authorization. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:42, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::It was not only that, but his general behavior to people off-wiki -- his behavior even prompted RDM's own wife, Terry, who posts on the SciFi.com boards as "Mrs Ron", to [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&Number=2056843&Searchpage=1&Main=2056837&Words=moron+The_Merovingian&topic=&Search=true#Post2056843 warn Merv about his's own behavior]. (In light of how she herself is painted as "a champion of [Merv's] bad behavior", I do not envy her current position as well, which apparently [http://www.mortalstorm.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1012 mirrors our own] in some ways.) What I do know through conversing with others who aren't contributors to the Wiki, but have their pulse on the fandom, is that he has damaged the wiki through his actions as he is associated with us. (He's made this association clear through a banner on the SciFi.com boards, a banner that I will ask be removed from his signature immediately.) I ''know'' that he's caused damage to the wiki; it's not like any of this is not out there on the boards and the like -- it is. I've tried to establsh damage control, hence the [[BW:OR|Official Representation]] policy, which, I will freely admit, is a direct response to Merv's previous actions. He has (almost) cost us a very good contributor in the process just within the ''last 48 hours'' and, in talking with others, I have determined that an RFC would have caused much, much more issues than the primary issue we were attempting to fix. I'll make it pretty clear that this decision was not a spur of the moment; I've thought about it intermittently for some time now, until I could put the pieces together all of the events that have transpired for the last six to eight months, without massive bias on either side of the issue. The sad thing is that it all adds up to a very nasty picture, which I refuse to have this wiki be a part of. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:35, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
I dont need to know about the reasons that leave to Merv´s banning ,hes childish behavior and arrogance are very well known arround the BSG fanbase.These action open the gate to our group of fans that avoided these place because we didnt want any involment to do with the Merovignian.
The FRAKHEADS! and the BSG-55 board will celebrate these desition and ad theyr contributions to the BSG wiki project.

Moctezuma.
BSG-55 FRAKHEADS! {{unsigned|Moctezuma}}--[[User:Moctezuma|Moctezuma]] 19:17, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Dont worry about these site image on the contraire,the relevance of the content and the profesional structure are really amazing, im very pleased to read about a young profesional entrepenour like you and the TEAM that makes these site posible.--[[User:Moctezuma|Moctezuma]] 19:17, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
: Thank you for your kind words. I personally appreciate them. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:22, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't understand what has prompted this move at this time, and there is nothing in your announcement, Joe, that really explains it. I have been clued out of the community for a few weeks now, and there may well have been some new incident that showed Merv not only to be unworthy of adminship, but unworthy of editing as well. But if there is, you haven't cited it. When I saw the title of this page I expected to see laid out for me a series of recent references to Merv's transgressions both here and off-site. I didn't get it. Why not? Banning people out of the blue for vaguely generalised past behaviour casts, IMO, an even worse impression on the wiki. Is it because he called somebody a moron in that thread? If it is, just say so. Why the hints and characterisations? Is the trigger that MrsRon spoke against him? I wouldn't call what she wrote a scathing indictment, just a mild voice of reason.

Judging from the arguments I have seen from people on this site in such matters, which have been generally very rational and of a high level, I find this announcement disappointing, more for the content of the announcement than the actual decision that was taken. It comes across as an emotional reaction -- something that I thought the wiki was above indulging. If you were going to ban somebody from editing, I would expect this to include a carefully cited set of examples of his behaviour, not a link to a single slur wrapped in several paragraphs of what basically boils down to 'People don't think he's cool and therefore they think the wiki isn't cool.' I suggest that in the future if you ban anyone from doing anything that you dispense entirely with all of the talk about wiki's reputation (which dominates your announcement and is not on point, i.e. it's not the relevant issue), and instead take a much more rational and carefully laid out approach that concentrates on examples (especially recent ones) of Merv's actual behaviour, because without that, there is no 'there' there. And that presents the appearance at least of having arbitrarily and without careful consideration (but merely out of a sense of fed-upness) chosen a side in what is ultimately a personality conflict in fandom, and chosen the side that will result in the least repercussions for the wiki. As in, maybe if you get rid of Merv the whole conflict will just go away? Okay, leave aside the fact that this doesn't seem to be an actual valid reason for banning anybody; more importantly, what happens to the next target chosen for unpopularity by your secret sources? Do we all have to curry favour now with certain off-wiki fan personalities to remain in good standing here? And exactly who are these people, anyway, with their "fingers on the pulse of fandom"? They don't have their fingers on MY pulse. You might as well have said that Merv has been excommunicated because a shadowy figure came to your doorway and slipped you a note after you left an X on your window. It really leaves an awful impression.

I don't really have time to debate this at length, but I think the way this decision was presented reflects very poorly on the wiki, because I find most of the things you have talked about to be not relevant. Think about somebody with no prior experience of this conflict reading what you just wrote, Joe. You have given this hypothetical newbie almost no actual clear and present reason to believe that The Merovingian is still the imperious dictator you say he is, and instead given him/her a major reason that is right in their face to believe exactly that about you and about the wiki.

I'm not asking that you reverse the decision. I don't know enough to say that. As I say, I have not been privy to what's been going on, which is why the paper-thinness of what is on this page is so glaringly obvious. But I hope that in the future any bannings of longtime members that are under consideration will be handled much more carefully and methodically than what I see here. It also would help if there were reference made to violations of an official policy on exactly what is bannable and what is not. Is being unpopular with other fans a bannable offence? You give a very strong impression here that it is.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 03:22, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

: What prompted the banning were the fact that, repeatedly, editors have tried to up and leave regarding his behavior -- behavior which is well documented on the message boards to which he participates as well as the wiki. It is not only pathetic that I have to keep on talking down contributors who have had issues with Merv, but it is also pathetic that people, like Shane (who isn't even an admin, for pete's sake), have to talk people out of doing such an act. Perhaps you didn't know this, as it wasn't common knowledge, but myself and the other administrators, such as Peter, have been endeavoring to help Merv soften his behavior. For a while, it seems he was improving in his behavior, until the complaints -- from people who hardly participate in message boards -- started rolling in ''again''.

: I'm not going to release names because they have come to me in confidence -- though I do hope that they have the courage to come forward, since I believe it would be cathartic for them. But Merv is directly responsible for us almost losing a very good member of this community 24 hours prior to making my decision.

: We have had issues with Merv for quite some time now, including the whole KR thing which, sad to say, almost damaged the wiki more than I've ever let on. This is detailed in his three Requests for Adminship, which I believe you may have read, as well as throughout the wiki. Feel free to do a search in our wiki, or even a Google search. (As I said, it's all out there for review.)

: Merv has also attempted to comport himself as taking ownership of the wiki on various occassions, despite our attempts to curtail such behavior by establishing [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Representation|our Official Representation policy]]. No one here, including myself (who shoulders the burden of financing, tech support, and being the one who tends to mediate issues here), dares take ownership of the wiki because it is a '''team effort'''. '''We are one''' here; everyone works together to build this reference. If there is someone who tries to use Battlestar Wiki as his personal pulpit, such as in the whole KR thing which is documented in [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Citation_Jihad/Archive02#Koenigrules_.2F_Hollywood_North_Report our archives here], then they will reap the consequences of doing such a thing from not only myself, but from the community.

: Fact of the matter is that I haven't included links due to the fact that his behavior outside the wiki and goals are so glaringly apparent that I believed such a thing was unnecessary; I now know why he was so insistant on [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr.&oldid=48191#RFA getting adminship here at the wiki as well], which was to solidfy a position to be some sort of prima donna information broker in the fandom. (This motivation doubtless lead to the near-disasterous incident with KR, which Peter should be thanked for mitigating.) I firmly believe that Merv never wanted the responsibility; he wanted the title, which is something that the cynical part of me has always suspected.

: To satisfy your curiousity regarding links and a dossier of his behavior on and off wiki, there are people who are working to create a compilation of all of Merv's replies and actions to date. A link to it, most likely in PDF format, will be uploaded to my website and linked here as an archive for all to see upon completion and review. I personally think such a thing is a waste of time, but I want everything out there because the truth will come out sooner or later, as it always does.

: Also, Merv's assertion that people such as Darth Marley have been mailbombing me with complaints is totally ludicrous and strikes me as an indicator of Merv's paranoia, as well as solidifies what I've found to be a characteristic of his personality: that he will take leaps of logic with pithy information and without thorough research. I have never corresponded with Marley or others (I've talked to Larocque, but that's because I respect him for all his work he's done with the original Battlestar Galactica FAQs and so forth); to continue, I've read what they've said on the boards and had I heeded them ''immediately'', this ban would have happened several months ago. Merv's popularity, or lack thereof, had no bearing on this decision -- it was his actions and his treatment of others both on and off wiki that came to a head. Call it the powder keg just waiting to be lit that Merv's actions (and consequences of his actions) have built up for months, if you will.

: There was no "ban Merv" caucus or calls from said non-existant caucus to ban Merv that lobbied me; Merv acted uncivily and nearly scared off new and even established contributors (that I know about, anyway), as a result, was banned indefinitely, until he wishes to act like a respectful human being and not the overbearing person he's projected himself to be.

: If Merv wants to be a part of a community, he can't act like the progeny of a prima donna and pitbull. Such progency and the goals of a productive community are mutually exclusive and have no place with one another.

: Humility. Integrity. Respect. Honesty. Collaboration. These are things that the wiki stands for and, quite frankly, Merv's actions do not fit in line with the philosophies of this wiki. And, needless to say, Merv is being watched very carefully [http://www.mortalstorm.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1012 now more than ever even from people who have better uses for their valuable time]. Think about that for a moment, or for as long as you need to... why would people waste their valuable time to watch him like a hawk?

: I think there is something very wrong with this picture, and it is something I have no desire to have this wiki be a part of. Hence my executive decision. Now I've said enough and have better things to accomplish... do excuse me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:18, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks Joe for making such a concerted effort to explain yourself further. I think it helps make this page intelligible. It still bothers me somewhat that most of your complaints are from behaviour that is not clear & present but now ancient history as in it does make the timing seem somewhat arbitrary. If you were going to ban Merv over the KR incident then it should have been done long ago. To now name that incident as a major reason for his banning doesn't make much sense. The things you are saying about fresh altercations with new wiki members are very relevant but you seem to be not at liberty to discuss them further, which is unfortunate because that should be the meat of your case: it is that stuff that would be the most justifiable support for a move like this at this time, not the KR thing. Sometimes when you take a shotgun approach you damage your case, because it isn't clear to anyone exactly why all the stuff is a good reason now but wasn't a good reason then (is there is a timer that goes off six months after a bad act that results in a banning?). It invites speculation as to what is happening behind the scenes. Too bad you can't much talk about what I consider to be the only valid reasons you have named for taking a fresh look at Merv's membership status; knowing the history I'll take your word for it, but laying out this recent evidence would have been far preferable. I hope you know this and will consider how important that is in making this kind of announcement. The wiki is not in control of Merv's actions; but it is in control of its own actions, and the transparency and above-boardness with which you handle a banning speaks much more directly to the character of this place than anything done by one of its members.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 14:48, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:::I agree, Dogger - I feel that I must give Joe the benefit of the doubt on this matter, but we are at great risk of setting a bad precedent here. I eagerly anticipate a final report on the off-wiki behavior of Merv's which justified this. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:07, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:Bad precedent, indeed. If I've read your arguments correctly, then generalized bad behavior AWAY from bsgwiki is considerable cause for banning ON bsgwiki. In light of this, I have a list of usernames I'd like to see banned for some serious bad behvaior on skiffy. Where would you like those names sent? What if I wanted to complain about Joe's "executive decision making" on this "community run board?" Who would I submit those anonymous, unrepeatable, and unspecified charges to? Just curious. Would it be possible for you "leaders" to post a really good list of offenses off-board that will get me banned here? I mean, I flipped off the guy who cut me off in traffic today. AND I made a really mean joke about Dualla on Skiffy sometime back and I REALLY upset a lot of people. Can I expect my login here to stop working? -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:01, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::If he wanted to be hated by the community in his own fashintion he can, but as soon as you link bad behaviour with the wiki using the wiki as a tool that's not correct. No ''one'' person speaks for the wiki, except Joe. I don't see any other users setting up camp on the SciFi Forums who speaks for the wikiw and then on top of that, "acts in bad faith" using the wiki as a tool. Name someone else who uses the wiki as a refernece on the SciFi forums in a bad manor. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:14, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::So, it was the incident from several months ago that prompted the banning (as opposed to recent, mysterious incidents) because he used battlestarwiki to paint a user in an extremely negative light. Not unlike, um, using the administrative banning function and associated talk pages to publicly humiliate a user with as broad coverage as possible. Oh, wait. Did I say that out loud? -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:31, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::I did not say that. Joe statied it's a number of reasons. Current and past. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:41, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Alrighty, I think the blonde girl has finally caught up with the logic train. The banning was the result of an offense committed months ago (that Joe is now also guilty of - using bsgwiki pages to publicly humiliate another member of fandom) and mysterious, unspecified charges levied by persons unknown. Got it. I do appreciate the clarifications. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:48, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Aeryn, I thank you for sharing your point of view with us. It is very welcomed, although I would like to ask that you please calm yourself. This isn't end of the world type stuff we're talking about here.
:::However, you need to know that Merv placed himself in a position where he and the wiki were intertwined; this isn't one of our contributors going out and making mean or sexists jokes on the SciFi Bulletin Boards. (It's up to SciFi's administration on whether or not to deter that kind of behavior, not ours.) Essentially, '''had he not placed himself in a position to act (and insinuate that he was) the wiki's ''unauthorized'' promoter or placed the ''unauthorized'' banner beneath his posts with the URL and icon to this wiki then his off-wiki behavior would have never been brought into question'''. And this is not a one time incident, hence the creation of our [[BW:OR|Official Representation]] policy which, ironically or not, Merv supported. To go with what Peter said in one of Merv's previous RFAs, I am not concerned about what other people think of a contributor -- unless they ''deliberately'' placed themselves in a position to use the wiki as a backing to advance his own agendas. Agendas that he has made clear in the past. I am concerned about the image of the wiki, as well as ensuring that no ones contributions have been in vain because of the acts of a person or group out to advance an agenda. (This agenda will be made crystal clear once the dossier on Merv's overall behaviors on and off wiki have been completed and published.)
:::I will also state again that everything has a ''cumulative'' effect and Merv's behavior on-wiki has come first circle, much to the point where we nearly lost one very good contributor. For some time now I (and others) have had to deal with Merv's behavior to others and try to mitigate the damage. Were it not for the work of the dedicated individuals in this community to retain those upset members, we would have lost more people than Merv.
:::As you yourself may not be aware, we as admins and contributors have tried to make Merv understand that his treatment of others is destructive and damaging to a community. None of his behaviors to date are a surprise to either myself nor anyone else here who has been for more than six months. The fact that I had to perma-ban Merv disappoints me, because it tells me we have failed to help Merv modify his social skills to a point where he can be respectful of others and their opinions, regardless of whether he views them as "moronic" or vapid from his point of view.
:::At this point, my concern is whether or not the wiki will recover from the damage Merv's inflicted. For a place he claims to love so much, he's endangered all our work here with his actions... and I've sid enough, because I will wait for the dossier to come out and then, as it is said, the truth will attend to itself, because it always does one way or the other. And then you can all do with the dossier what you will; you can believe or not. The choice to believe or not to believe is up to you.
:::Thank you for your interest and your concern. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:51, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Joe, I find your comment to be condenscending and mean-spirited. I engaged your representative in a dialog concerning your unilateral action and your response is a very rude "calm yourself." I demand an apology for your poor judgment in dealing with me since I am, as far as I know, a member in good standing of this community. Your use of harsh words and offensive tone was derogative and completely unwarranted; I am deeply insulted and plan on quitting this board unless you apologize immediately. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:58, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Aeryn, I did not mean to be mean spirited; I'm sorry if you viewed my words as mean spirited, I am merely concerned about ensuring that everyone remains calm. It does no one any good to act irrationally. I recognize that this is a highly emotional situation. For instance, I myself am not fond of making this decision, but all I ask is that people please wait until the evidence comes to light. Then you and everyone will better understand why I banned Merv for the ultimate good of this community. That's all I ask right now during this difficult time. Thank you. Now I'm going to get some sleep. Good night everyone. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:15, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
As a minor point of interest, a true apology is one in which the offender says "I am sorry for what I said/did" (taking responsibility for his actions) NOT one in which the offender says "I am sorry you didn't understand what I said/did" (taking no responsibility for his actions and placing blame on the other party). There is a difference. I am inclined to observe that the efforts to reform the student may not have succeeded because the teachers suffered the same failings. This is just a hypothesis, of course.

I AM one to mince words but I will get to the point anyway (finally). You had an opportunity and ability to handle this privately with Mero. But you chose instead to make a broad, public statement via a project page and associated discussion; you CHOSE to publicly humilate someone who has worked tirelessly on behalf of your pet project when you had the opportunity to be silent and let the pieces fall where they may. From where I sit, this says much more about you and your approach to this "community" than it does about Mero. In the same project page you tout your "executive decision making" powers but try to convince us "we are all one." The latter rings false in the shadow of the former.

Whether I agree with your decision or not is really irrelevant and I certainly do not dispute your right to make the call but I have serious doubts about your sincerity in light of your approach. This doesn't feel like the results of careful consideration and thoughtful examination of facts. It feels like opportunistic public flogging designed to inflict the most damage possible and to "recruit" people to your point of view. These aren't the actions of a good, reasonable administrator.

Of course, everyone here will agree that I am no one of any importance - just the hall monitor - and my opinions don't really matter all that much but I would invite you to consider that what has transpired here (the public nature of your decision implementation) may appease a few but many others will remember this course of events in a less positive light. -[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 00:45, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Wow, what an interesting exercise in community this is! And in the transgression of a community’s stated and unstated rules. I think it is great that people care enough to spend the time to debate what is acceptable and what is intolerable and in doing so, they are taking a major step in defining what the Battlestar Wiki community really stands for. (I’m reading a book right now about the trial of Socrates that argues that particular moment in history recast Athenian society forever, and I can’t help but be struck by the parallels.)

Regarding the matter at hand, namely, dear Mr. Merovingian … I have to say I have personally experienced his insensitivity, his high-handedness, and his editorial caprice. These encounters have left me smarting sometimes, and more than once I have thought, Frak this! I don’t need to put up with this s—t! and vowed never to visit Battlestar Wiki again. But I always have, and that probably has more to do with my continuing interest in the show, as well as the kindness, helpfulness and generosity of others I have met here online.

From what I know, and what I have read here, The Merovingian has clearly stepped on a lot of toes and crossed a lot of lines he probably shouldn’t have. But I believe he cares a great deal about Battlestar Galactica, and the world of the fans, and we should try to give him a chance to do the right thing, make amends, and find a new and probably different place for himself in the group … if that is still possible. We owe him that, at the very least. Now, I said, “if that is still possible.” I personally have no problem with him staying, on some amended basis, but that is really a collective decision.

I do know that, regarding his recent mysterious transgressions that have brought him to this precipice, I think we as a community need to know what he is accused of doing, even if it is only “behavior unbecoming” a whatever, not so much for his sake, but for the sake of everybody else. We need to know where the lines are, so we can know when they are being crossed. It may be painful and humiliating for The Merovingian, and difficult and embarrassing for the leaders of Battlestar Wiki, but clearing the air is the only way I believe we can move forward at this point, and openness and plain-dealing should be something we strive for among everyone who wants to participate.

Those are my humble thoughts, anyway. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 02:31, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

== [[User:Shane|Shane]]'s Comments ==

While Merv might see this as a sudden "ban", I don't really think it was. Merv has been giving tons of opportunity to mend relationships with the community a dozen of times. A simple, "Thank you" or "I am sorry." or "I made a mistake. Please forgive it." would have gone a long way.

I realize now, after all this time, that [[User:Peter Farago]] deserved a sorry from me because of the two RFC's I filled against him in protest in defending Merv's actions. While I got one a while back when my first RFC was posted by Peter.

Merv, if you want to discuss the polices that you broke, all you need to do is look up all the pages in the Battlestar Wiki namespace. The admins gave you tons of chances and though maybe a mistake on their part for now being more tough on the rules, you should have been able to follow your own suggestions as you did when voting for the [[BW:OR]] policy, the first one in-fact. The [[BW:TANK]] was created so I had an avenue to get my ideas out and you know what.. it worked. the [[BW:OR]] was for you, you didn't know that, but you through it was a good idea after the KR incident.

You say you could not use the high complex templates? I was always willing to help, yet I never got a message saying something. I hope, that you can make peace with yourself, otherwise you will never be able to get along with people in real life. If you were so ambitious why you were blocked, do a search on your username in all the forums that you do. Re-read your posts. Look at where you might have said something that might have offended people. You said once that the Battlestar Wiki article that it was deleted and should not have been because it was just like Memory Alpha. Memory Alpha is a bit larger and it has a little bit more fame since it's been around. But did you ever check the AFD page? Joe, an admin of Wikipedia, voted to delete it. ([[State of the Wiki II]])

As for the wiki, drastic actions as in resorting to outside forums to further your cause also inside the wiki was not a good idea. When you first did it with me and the portals, I found info on two different forums. One was SciFi and the other was the GalacicaBS forums. Why am I being smeared to something that would have a positive effect on the wiki as a whole? Why?

Do you want to know why the person came to me? Because they didn't know if they could bring issues to Joe directly. It could have been the other way around and I could have been out-of-the loop up to the ban and still not what was going on. People came to be because I was fair and have always been fair. (Also since I have direct contact with Joe kinda helps, but that's a side factor). I don't know why you think it was the guys over a MS or Frackheads (?). Can't you think that it ''was'' someone who was part of the Wiki? And before you ask yourself, it was not me. Granted, I spend a ton of time here, and know what goes on, I know how people feel.

Anyway, you can contact me via email if you want. You know how.

P.S. Adminship does not grant one "ambasatorship".

P.S.S. If you can prove to the heart that you can be curtiousto others and show that you can repect over people for what they do and how they do it, you will never know if you will be allowed back here. Take this as a vacation as I did. Come back with a fresh view. It might be benifit to your understanding with Joe and the community. You can only prove it to yourself that you can be true to the guidelines of the site that you love.

--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:56, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Merv needs to grow up. The guy has shown that he has little social skills and alienates fans who don't need to know about the board politics. It's not about him; it's about the show. If he wants to show some humility he'll continue to contribute without attribution. Starting with the podcast transcriptions.{{unsigned|Hal Levolier}}
:So "we'll ban you but we want you to submit work anyway"? 'Some nerve' doesn't even begin to describe this comment. If Merv doesn't submit those transcripts it proves nothing other than that he understandably doesn't feel motivated to contribute anything to a community that has declared him an outcast. What else would anyone expect? The sense of entitlement here to hours of the man's free labour is kind of breathtaking. If he is banned, then let him move on with his life and find somewhere else to place his efforts. To make this kind of statement that in order to prove his humility he needs to submit not ONLY for free but without credit, is just repugnant. What has happened to this place?--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 01:29, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
::Okay never mind. I just checked and Hal Levolier has never edited anything around here, so while that doesn't render his opinion invalid, he wasn't (at least I hope not) expressing any expectation among the regular contributors. Merv's banned, so he's probably done contributing. Nobody should be expecting otherwise.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 01:55, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Season 3 (2006-07)/Archive 1

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Elach: /* Why No Photos? */

"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 Episode Titles: I would't consider tv.com an official source. Isn't it a wiki-style site where fans enter the info? --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 09:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
:Exactly. It's sort of a poor man's wiki: like IMDB, it relies on fan-submissions; it's not a "news source" like say, TV Guide Magazine. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:37, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::Why I didn't think about that? You are right. Black Market-Scar-Sacrifice was a series of crap episodes, (well, Scar was not that crap, but I didn't like it) but startnig with ''[[The Captain's Hand]]'' they made excellent quality of episodes again. If this is the cost for making good episodes, then I can wait a few more months. --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 05:23, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you should have held off on removing individuals' ranks because mostlikely because of their circumstances, ex-militaries would retain their title and rank after leaving the service much as was done in the American South for centuries. I plantation owner would be called Colonel because when he was younger he served in the army or militia as that rank even though he's been retired from duty for decades. In the colonial case, since as we see, there's always the chance of a cylon return, they'd probably maintain their last rank in the case of being called back into service. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 15 March 2006 (MST)

== Hero ==
Should there be a new page created for the the so-called episode "Hero" spoiled by David Eick during his interview on iFMagazine? He talked about a script relating to "a revelation about something truly egregious and illegal that Adama was guilty of doing during the days leading up to the attack, and how he has kept the revelation of that incident from rearing it’s head." There seems to be enough to start an episode page but he didn't say which episode it will be, whether it's one of the 1st 3 "trilogy", right after that, or later in the season. But he did in fact elude to it so I think it should be documented. I don't know. I thought maybe one of the more BSG Wiki Gurus could have a better idea of how to handle this. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 12 May 2006 (MST)
: As long as it comes from info cited by Eick himself, we're fine with that. What I would do is not worry about where the episode is placed in the chronology, and create the page. When more facts reveal themselves later on, we can worry about where exactly this piece of the puzzle should go, which is a minor detail in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::the order can always be fixed later. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:43, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

== Additional episodes of Season 3 ==

I may have found legitimate verification of the titles "Collaborators" and "Torn" for episodes 4 and 5 of season 3. On the website www.sidesexpress.com(this site is for Agents and Managers), a subsite for a staffing company called The Go Between, Inc., website http://www.gobetween.com/, and it looks like looking for casting for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #304 Collaborators, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #305 Torn. The site requires a password that I don't know how to get to go beyond this point for details but it is reasonable to say that these are official, if possibly not perminent, names for these episodes. Then again, on the page for Actors, www.showfax.com, they don't have links for those episodes that would list roles that are being cast for. I found a few names of characters for Stargate Atlantis & SG-1 among others being cast for specific episodes on this page but not for BSG. So further information on these episodes other than the names, I haven't found anything on this site. The only thing is: this should be enough verification to create pages, or page placeholders, with these names for these episodes. Opinions? --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:22, 2 June 2006 (PST)
:For the path from www.sidesexpress, you have to select Vancouver, then episodes and you will see the episode names, but here's the end web address: http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?task=pname&locid=5&pt=1 --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:29, 2 June 2006 (PST)
::Our curent spoiiler policy is that unless Ron Moore, one of the writers, crew, or any of the cast members say it, it is not "confirmed". They've been known to shift around episodes and change names months in advance. Officially on BattlestarWiki, casting side excerpts are *not* a reliable source nor one that we use; I mean if you've seen some of the other sides, such as those for Pegasus or Resistance, HALF of the episode is completely rewritten between side form and the final script. You dont' get the "script" from those places you linked above; it's just a rough idea and the real episode might be nothing like that. So we don't use them. Please look over our Standards and Conventions page on the subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:07, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

== Museum of Television and Radio Spoilers ==

Have many of you heard of the event that happened last week at the Museum of Television and Radio involving viewings of BSG? Well, apparently RDM and D Eick also showed a Teaser for Season 3 that, for the most part, showed known information and, from what I've heard, scenes that don't provide usable material. However, there is apparently one quick scene from th Teaser that Ausiello from TVGuide.com described like this: "we saw some guy introducing a baby to Starbuck saying, 'This is your mother.'" This is a big tease! I think those who follow the show intently would surmize that this ties into the Missing Ovaries storyline as well as the Leobon Conoy Interigation storyline, ie., cylons using Kara's stolen ovaries to create a baby successfully with the help of Leobon Conoy. Here's the big thing: Is this enough info to stick in the Season 3 page, Kara Thrace's page, or any other page? What of this information can we use? I know I speculate too too much. And are the minor gods of this website going to accept this slightly hearsay information enough to use? I am fearful to start adding this stuff myself - low-self-asteem :( - lest somebody remove that quickly cuz it doesn't meet conventions. However, hearsay as it might be, it does come directly from RDM & Eick ...If the info is correct... --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 11:38, 14 June 2006 (PST)

:Guys...you might not habitually check out my Talk page, but I was *at* MTR: If you check the video, I was the first fan asking a question (better than that Jamie Bambar question I should think, and a bit predictable given that at BattlestarWiki I obsess over minor characters and actually care that we find the accurate spelling of Racetrack's name, etc.): Check out the Roving Reporter stuff on my talk page: [[User_talk:The_Merovingian#BattlestarWiki_Roving_Reporter]] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Now Playing Magazine Spoilers==

Divid Eick talked about the upcoming Season 3 episode in this interview[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 15:25, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:I just finished a massive round of updates on this, about an hour ago. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

== BSG Teaser on Eureka ==

Is the same one as the one at MTR? I think that I saw a Boomer with Anders and some rebels when I slowed it down. I have it on DVR if anyone wants me to look at something. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:It was slightly expanded from the MTR thing I remember, but essentially the same thing. Perhaps I forgot some stuff in my excitement at the time, but I seriously think it's the same thing, just with a few "tweaks" of inserted new footage: for example I remember no Cally-related footage in the original, but she's in several shots of this one doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Think a write up is in order or are clips too interpretive? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::For sure. This for sure good stuff. I just saw it on Eureka "repeat". '''Wow.''' Really cool! Pumped up for this third season. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:27, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well it's really not that different from the "MTR trailer report" I have in there already, but maybe we could tack something onto that (you know, rather than a new section; I'll do it). ******'''MAJOR DIFFERENCE'''******* In the MTR version of this trailer that I saw, '''Caprica-Six got shot in the forehead'''. We don't actually see who shot her (Three? Baltar? Galactica-Boomer?). They've been saying that "a Cylon character will permanently die", and as this obviously couldn't mean losing an entire "model series", it probably means that Caprica-Six is going to die, and not be reborn. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:02, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'll have it MPEG'd and put on my ftp server in about 3 hours. If anyone wants access, email michael.beardsworth@-nospam-gmail.com--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Plot Points ==
Any problem with me in the next few days condensing the plot points to statements and putting the links in references at the bottom of the article? For example, condense the first point to something like, "The first episode picks up four months after LDYB II." and put the reference in the Reference section. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:52, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==It's Official==
An entire Cylon Model is going to bite the dust. It was confirmed directly from RDM's mouth at the Comic-Con. Here are the words:

'''"There's a model that will be discontinued, or boxed. And it's someone you know."''' -RDM

It's part 1 of the Video, and you can find it in YouTube --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:00, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

I've been watching: apparently it will happen in late Season 3. Anyone else leaning for the "Last Sharon" Theory? More updates as I get them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:28, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Strictly from a production standpoint, Number 3 or Brother Cavel would make a lot of sense. However, I like the idea of the "Last" Sharon. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 04:41, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's going to be Cavil (Does he even have a number yet?). Also I don't see them killing off a princible character like Sharon. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Definitely a Three. But RDM has used 'model' in the singular (to mean one copy) before, such as in the Downloaded podcast, so this does not mean an entire series bites the dust. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:36, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I don't think that RDM is going to kill off a model simply because it's easy production-wise, ie, Cavil or Three. There's a strong possibility that the model killed off is Eight leaving Sharon on Galactica as the only surviving one. My argument: 1, already Caprica-Sharon is the only cylon to openly betray the cylon cause. 2, Galactica-Sharon isn't buying into the cylon cause. 3, The number Six model more than once has shown disapproval of the Number Eight model -- In season one she showed anger/jealousy over Caprica-Sharon's feelings for Helo and Baltar-Six's saying that the baby is something she's hardly worth deserving of. The implecation is that it's more suspectable to human feelings/behavior not consistent with the cylon cause. 4, the RDM crew like to do things to heighten the tension, make the viewers more concerned about what the outcome will be, destroy your hopes before you become to happy and comfortable. Eight is the most-beloved cylon among BSG fans so I wouldn't put it past the RDM crew to kill the model. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::If they kill off Grace i might actually cry, shes much prettier than Tricia Helfer :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:22, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

== Olmos' Population Comments at Comic-Con ==

I question whether Edward James Olmos' comments at Comic-Con about the human population are really that telling or helpful. I certainly don't know if it portends that "heavy causalities" on New Caprica are in the offing, as is now written. Remember the population of New Caprica at the end of Season 2 was 39,192. That doesn't count those who are in space. Adama told Tigh that "more than half the crew (of Galactica)" was already on the surface. In the pilot, Tyrol said there were two thousand people on Galactica (he told Leobon that). That means less than a thousand are left on Galactica. Presumably, there are several hundred (at least) left in the rest of the fleet. And we don't know how many were lost in the nuking of Cloud Nine and surrounding ships, though we do know that there were probably a lot of people on Cloud Nine. It's recreational housing seemed to have become living space for a lot of people who didn't have places elsewhere or who were looking for the best accommodations.

Anyway, if you play with those variables, you can see that it wouldn't take huge losses on New Caprica to get the total human population down to 38,000, as Olmos said.

Personally, it seems to me that the numbers don't make sense. There seem to be TOO MANY people left after the nuking of Cloud Nine. That's another reason why the "heavy causalities" comment makes no sense. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:40, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would consider it plausible if the nuking of Cloud 9 killed 1,000 people. It could have killed 5,000. It may have killed 10,000. But that entire range I consider "plausible". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

::I fully agree with Merv here. It's useless to guess at the effective blast radius. On one hand, there's nothing to stop the blast except ships; on the other, shock waves don't travel through vacuums, and the simplest statistic to measure the effects of the radiant effects, energy per unit of area, would obey an inverse square law. In any case, we don't know the strength of the warhead. It's useless to guess at how many ships would be within the radius. There's no way to know the standard gap between ships in the fleet (or if they even have a set formation at all). It's dubious to guess which ships were inside the effective blast radius, even given magical knowledge of that distance. It's dubious to guess at the complements of those ships. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 05:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You guys miss my point. I'm not talking about the blast radius or destruction wrecked by the nuking of Cloud Nine. I am talking about the conclusion that to get to 38,000, "presumably there are heavy casualties to come on New Caprica," as the article now states. Do the math: approx. 49,000, minus at least 3,000 left on the fleet, minus at least 3,000 killed on Cloud Nine, equals 43,000. (That's using numbers on the low end.) 43,000 ---> 38,000 involves a loss of 5,000. That's really the MOST that could be lost in "the battle for New Caprica." I know these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but it must seem clear even to you guys that "heavy casualities" is not a safe conclusion. It seems more likely that several hundred or a couple of thousand will be lost. Now you can argue if those figures amount to "heavy casualites" considering the number of humans left, but that does not appear to be your point. I thought we were going for conservative statements, which are logical and verifiable, not wild speculation. If that is true, then I propose that the "heavy casualites" comment be removed. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:26, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

==SFX Magazine==

Does any one have access to the September edition of SFX Magazine? There is an interview with Grace Park that as some exciting revelations in it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:31, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:I heard of this SFX magazine myself. Supposdely, she said that Helo and Sharon are or get married, and she is flying Raptors again. However I have no confirmation whatsoever, and no scans of this or a reliable report. Need someone we know to acquire one of these SFX Magazines, but they're only in Britain. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::Grumbles, I might get it if i see it but i generally dont like reading spoilers :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I have it, and read it. It disprovves some of our stuff and there is some stuff. I might just end of scanning the entire thing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:20, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will get to posting some of the stuff up hopefully later tonight, before I have to leave for VA tomorrow. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Taking a Break..."==

I e-mailed Gateworld to confirm this or say how they got it but they never e-mailed me back. That is, I didn't know if they just used "Taking a Break" as a monicker for the mid-season hiatus. The stuff they have on it seems similar to an unconfirmed report on livejournal which sounded like fanon, so I dunno. I hope they e-mail me back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==Regarding the episode numbering==
On the [[List of Episodes]] page it shows the episodes as...
*3.01 Occupation
*3.01.5 Precipice
*3.02 Exodus, Part I
*3.03 Exodus, Part II
And so on... Surely just because Precipice follows Occupation doesnt means its 3.015? Thery might not air back to back in other countries and thus should still be 3.01 and 3.02. Exodus pt I would be 3.03. If anyone one else can tell me why this should be otherwise please post here. Ill put this on my watchlist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:01, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I did the 3.01.5. We will for sure change it when we get the offical nunmber off the podcast. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:42, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well in the latest [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/ RDM blog entry] he says that they are "filming episodes 10 & 11, our mid-season cliffhanger episodes". He also goes on to say that there will be 19 episodes in total and that he counts Exodus, Part I and II as one in the production schedule. The clincher is when he says "we've taken what was to be episode 3, 'Exodus'..." so that would imply that Exodus p1 is 3.03. Understand?... lol its a bit confusing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see what all of the confusion is about: Bradley Thompson explicitly layed this out for us in Official Communiques. Both "Occupation" and "Precipice" are "Episode 1", making Precipice "Episode 1.5". I even said "wouldn't that make "Exodus, Part I" "Episode 3" and he said "no, that's episode 2" (paraphrase). He said under no circumstances to count Precipice as episode 2. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 08:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

==Citations==
There are a couple of citations to Ronald Moore's blog here, but the link is just to the blog and not a permalink. I checked his blog and couldn't find the referenced information. if anyone finds it, could you get a permalink and replace it in the article? thanks. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:08, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
:I fixed it. Both references were to the most recent entry. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:45, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

==Starbuck's Tattoo==
I must say, there is nothing in the Scifi Magazine Article that states in any way/shape/form that the tattoo on Kattee's upper left arm has anything to do with the Cylon Occupations.

We do, however, know that the tattoo in her left upper arm (the one referred to) is actually a "wedding tattoo" that she and Anders got when they got married.

So I'm saying we remove this unless the user who placed it in the article has more proof, but I doubt it since it would conflict with direct words from the actress herself. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:16, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

:Katee Sackhoff has repeatedly stated, even in a video like that TVGuide thing, that it is a "wedding tatoo". Speculation was wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cite Templtes ==

Article needs to be updated using the cite templates. [[BW:CITETEM]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Why No Photos? ==

We have in our possession several photos and screen captures from Season 3. We should be posting these online. Even though exact descriptions of the events depicted are not always available, this data is no more speculative than vague or cryptic pronouncements from the producers on their blogs, or unpremeditated slips of the tongue from actors. In fact, in many ways, they are more concrete and credible; we are seeing actual shot footage of actors in dramatic situations, often from the SciFi Channel itself. There is a lot of information to be gleaned from these photographs, and it is no less "conclusive" than what we get from some of our other sources who we regularly publish.

If we don't want to get into the business of speculating ourselves about the photos, why not establish a Season 3 "gallery" of photos and screen caps with minimal and obvious identifications (e.g., Starbuck and Leoben Conoy having dinner) and leave to others to draw conclusions about the specific dramatic circumstances? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:15, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:There are a ton located [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images/Season_3|here]]. I'm furiously avoiding looking at them (don't like spoilers), but I'd hope that'd have some good ammo for what you're suggesting. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:24, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:also anything from [[:md:User:Shane/gallery|here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:31, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
::That is great stuff!! I had no idea we already had those photos, already uploaded and everything. Let's get those shots into the Season 3 Pivotal Plot Points article at the appropriate places. They illustrate and support the intel we already have about Season 3. And there can be little doubt about their authenticity and relevance. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:34, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

== SciFi Mag not a Citable Source? ==

Okay, this is weird. I just got my text pulled and it was a description of photos appearing in SciFi, the official magazine of the SciFi Channel. If that is not an authoritative source, then I don't know what is. The descriptions were straight forward, although I did observe that one unidentified person looked remarkably similar to a known cylon agent, which is true. (I didn't say it was him, but you can't deny the obvious. And what a shocker it would be if he was one, being as he is in uniform and meeting with Adm. Adama.) All that is obvious and undeniable if you have seen the photos. Now it would be much better if we could show the photos (see above topic post) and let them speak for themselves, but short of that how is there a source problem with just describing what is clearly in them? You guardians of Battlestar Wiki purity are, I think, going a little overboard. And don't tell me the photos are in Battlestar Wiki media depository or whatever because no one will ever look for them there. This is the section on Season Three pivotal plot points and this is where that stuff belongs. My humble opinion anyway ... --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:02, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:If you can provide the source, go for it. The paragrpahs or information was not cited so it seemed made up. Go ahead and re-add it but cit the information, pages, location, author, etc. [[BW:CITE]]. I am not saying it might be wrong. I am simiply stating the [[BW:CITETEM]] was not used so no one knew on where the information came from. Also direct information from the magazine can not be posted. It has to be copyedited or rephrased in your own words. Photos have captions, but should not be placed as an item themselfs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:10, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
::I gave the name of the magazine and the date, and the descriptions were all in my own words based on what I saw in the photos. And BTW, your templates make no sense and there are apparently none for printed periodicals. And by making sure you have to be a programmer to use them, you are pre-selecting out all the writers who are not technically minded. Finally, you guys don't know s--t about copyright law. All over the site I see it written that "ideas are copyrighted, not the word usage themselves" which is completely and utterly backwards and WRONG. Ideas ''cannot'' be copyrighted, only the expression of them in particular words. (Read the copyright law.) That's why changing the wording means you can still talk about those ideas in print.
::The sad thing is that some of this information should be getting into print, and it isn't, because the style "jihadists" are going nuts and making it impossible for those who care about the information and not the coding of it. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 00:39, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will revert my mistakes. Sorry about the confusing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:47, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
::::If you were referring to the bits I took out can you please elaborate? I only took out the speculatative sections and not just everything from SciFi mag. Providing its cited i dont have a problem with stuff from it. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:11, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Season 3 (2006-07)/Archive 1

2006-08-30T05:39:54Z

Elach: /* SciFi Mag not a Citable Source? */

"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 Episode Titles: I would't consider tv.com an official source. Isn't it a wiki-style site where fans enter the info? --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 09:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
:Exactly. It's sort of a poor man's wiki: like IMDB, it relies on fan-submissions; it's not a "news source" like say, TV Guide Magazine. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:37, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::Why I didn't think about that? You are right. Black Market-Scar-Sacrifice was a series of crap episodes, (well, Scar was not that crap, but I didn't like it) but startnig with ''[[The Captain's Hand]]'' they made excellent quality of episodes again. If this is the cost for making good episodes, then I can wait a few more months. --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 05:23, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you should have held off on removing individuals' ranks because mostlikely because of their circumstances, ex-militaries would retain their title and rank after leaving the service much as was done in the American South for centuries. I plantation owner would be called Colonel because when he was younger he served in the army or militia as that rank even though he's been retired from duty for decades. In the colonial case, since as we see, there's always the chance of a cylon return, they'd probably maintain their last rank in the case of being called back into service. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 15 March 2006 (MST)

== Hero ==
Should there be a new page created for the the so-called episode "Hero" spoiled by David Eick during his interview on iFMagazine? He talked about a script relating to "a revelation about something truly egregious and illegal that Adama was guilty of doing during the days leading up to the attack, and how he has kept the revelation of that incident from rearing it’s head." There seems to be enough to start an episode page but he didn't say which episode it will be, whether it's one of the 1st 3 "trilogy", right after that, or later in the season. But he did in fact elude to it so I think it should be documented. I don't know. I thought maybe one of the more BSG Wiki Gurus could have a better idea of how to handle this. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 12 May 2006 (MST)
: As long as it comes from info cited by Eick himself, we're fine with that. What I would do is not worry about where the episode is placed in the chronology, and create the page. When more facts reveal themselves later on, we can worry about where exactly this piece of the puzzle should go, which is a minor detail in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::the order can always be fixed later. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:43, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

== Additional episodes of Season 3 ==

I may have found legitimate verification of the titles "Collaborators" and "Torn" for episodes 4 and 5 of season 3. On the website www.sidesexpress.com(this site is for Agents and Managers), a subsite for a staffing company called The Go Between, Inc., website http://www.gobetween.com/, and it looks like looking for casting for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #304 Collaborators, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #305 Torn. The site requires a password that I don't know how to get to go beyond this point for details but it is reasonable to say that these are official, if possibly not perminent, names for these episodes. Then again, on the page for Actors, www.showfax.com, they don't have links for those episodes that would list roles that are being cast for. I found a few names of characters for Stargate Atlantis & SG-1 among others being cast for specific episodes on this page but not for BSG. So further information on these episodes other than the names, I haven't found anything on this site. The only thing is: this should be enough verification to create pages, or page placeholders, with these names for these episodes. Opinions? --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:22, 2 June 2006 (PST)
:For the path from www.sidesexpress, you have to select Vancouver, then episodes and you will see the episode names, but here's the end web address: http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?task=pname&locid=5&pt=1 --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:29, 2 June 2006 (PST)
::Our curent spoiiler policy is that unless Ron Moore, one of the writers, crew, or any of the cast members say it, it is not "confirmed". They've been known to shift around episodes and change names months in advance. Officially on BattlestarWiki, casting side excerpts are *not* a reliable source nor one that we use; I mean if you've seen some of the other sides, such as those for Pegasus or Resistance, HALF of the episode is completely rewritten between side form and the final script. You dont' get the "script" from those places you linked above; it's just a rough idea and the real episode might be nothing like that. So we don't use them. Please look over our Standards and Conventions page on the subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:07, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

== Museum of Television and Radio Spoilers ==

Have many of you heard of the event that happened last week at the Museum of Television and Radio involving viewings of BSG? Well, apparently RDM and D Eick also showed a Teaser for Season 3 that, for the most part, showed known information and, from what I've heard, scenes that don't provide usable material. However, there is apparently one quick scene from th Teaser that Ausiello from TVGuide.com described like this: "we saw some guy introducing a baby to Starbuck saying, 'This is your mother.'" This is a big tease! I think those who follow the show intently would surmize that this ties into the Missing Ovaries storyline as well as the Leobon Conoy Interigation storyline, ie., cylons using Kara's stolen ovaries to create a baby successfully with the help of Leobon Conoy. Here's the big thing: Is this enough info to stick in the Season 3 page, Kara Thrace's page, or any other page? What of this information can we use? I know I speculate too too much. And are the minor gods of this website going to accept this slightly hearsay information enough to use? I am fearful to start adding this stuff myself - low-self-asteem :( - lest somebody remove that quickly cuz it doesn't meet conventions. However, hearsay as it might be, it does come directly from RDM & Eick ...If the info is correct... --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 11:38, 14 June 2006 (PST)

:Guys...you might not habitually check out my Talk page, but I was *at* MTR: If you check the video, I was the first fan asking a question (better than that Jamie Bambar question I should think, and a bit predictable given that at BattlestarWiki I obsess over minor characters and actually care that we find the accurate spelling of Racetrack's name, etc.): Check out the Roving Reporter stuff on my talk page: [[User_talk:The_Merovingian#BattlestarWiki_Roving_Reporter]] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Now Playing Magazine Spoilers==

Divid Eick talked about the upcoming Season 3 episode in this interview[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 15:25, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:I just finished a massive round of updates on this, about an hour ago. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

== BSG Teaser on Eureka ==

Is the same one as the one at MTR? I think that I saw a Boomer with Anders and some rebels when I slowed it down. I have it on DVR if anyone wants me to look at something. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:It was slightly expanded from the MTR thing I remember, but essentially the same thing. Perhaps I forgot some stuff in my excitement at the time, but I seriously think it's the same thing, just with a few "tweaks" of inserted new footage: for example I remember no Cally-related footage in the original, but she's in several shots of this one doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Think a write up is in order or are clips too interpretive? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::For sure. This for sure good stuff. I just saw it on Eureka "repeat". '''Wow.''' Really cool! Pumped up for this third season. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:27, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well it's really not that different from the "MTR trailer report" I have in there already, but maybe we could tack something onto that (you know, rather than a new section; I'll do it). ******'''MAJOR DIFFERENCE'''******* In the MTR version of this trailer that I saw, '''Caprica-Six got shot in the forehead'''. We don't actually see who shot her (Three? Baltar? Galactica-Boomer?). They've been saying that "a Cylon character will permanently die", and as this obviously couldn't mean losing an entire "model series", it probably means that Caprica-Six is going to die, and not be reborn. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:02, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'll have it MPEG'd and put on my ftp server in about 3 hours. If anyone wants access, email michael.beardsworth@-nospam-gmail.com--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Plot Points ==
Any problem with me in the next few days condensing the plot points to statements and putting the links in references at the bottom of the article? For example, condense the first point to something like, "The first episode picks up four months after LDYB II." and put the reference in the Reference section. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:52, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==It's Official==
An entire Cylon Model is going to bite the dust. It was confirmed directly from RDM's mouth at the Comic-Con. Here are the words:

'''"There's a model that will be discontinued, or boxed. And it's someone you know."''' -RDM

It's part 1 of the Video, and you can find it in YouTube --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:00, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

I've been watching: apparently it will happen in late Season 3. Anyone else leaning for the "Last Sharon" Theory? More updates as I get them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:28, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Strictly from a production standpoint, Number 3 or Brother Cavel would make a lot of sense. However, I like the idea of the "Last" Sharon. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 04:41, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's going to be Cavil (Does he even have a number yet?). Also I don't see them killing off a princible character like Sharon. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Definitely a Three. But RDM has used 'model' in the singular (to mean one copy) before, such as in the Downloaded podcast, so this does not mean an entire series bites the dust. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:36, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I don't think that RDM is going to kill off a model simply because it's easy production-wise, ie, Cavil or Three. There's a strong possibility that the model killed off is Eight leaving Sharon on Galactica as the only surviving one. My argument: 1, already Caprica-Sharon is the only cylon to openly betray the cylon cause. 2, Galactica-Sharon isn't buying into the cylon cause. 3, The number Six model more than once has shown disapproval of the Number Eight model -- In season one she showed anger/jealousy over Caprica-Sharon's feelings for Helo and Baltar-Six's saying that the baby is something she's hardly worth deserving of. The implecation is that it's more suspectable to human feelings/behavior not consistent with the cylon cause. 4, the RDM crew like to do things to heighten the tension, make the viewers more concerned about what the outcome will be, destroy your hopes before you become to happy and comfortable. Eight is the most-beloved cylon among BSG fans so I wouldn't put it past the RDM crew to kill the model. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::If they kill off Grace i might actually cry, shes much prettier than Tricia Helfer :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:22, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

== Olmos' Population Comments at Comic-Con ==

I question whether Edward James Olmos' comments at Comic-Con about the human population are really that telling or helpful. I certainly don't know if it portends that "heavy causalities" on New Caprica are in the offing, as is now written. Remember the population of New Caprica at the end of Season 2 was 39,192. That doesn't count those who are in space. Adama told Tigh that "more than half the crew (of Galactica)" was already on the surface. In the pilot, Tyrol said there were two thousand people on Galactica (he told Leobon that). That means less than a thousand are left on Galactica. Presumably, there are several hundred (at least) left in the rest of the fleet. And we don't know how many were lost in the nuking of Cloud Nine and surrounding ships, though we do know that there were probably a lot of people on Cloud Nine. It's recreational housing seemed to have become living space for a lot of people who didn't have places elsewhere or who were looking for the best accommodations.

Anyway, if you play with those variables, you can see that it wouldn't take huge losses on New Caprica to get the total human population down to 38,000, as Olmos said.

Personally, it seems to me that the numbers don't make sense. There seem to be TOO MANY people left after the nuking of Cloud Nine. That's another reason why the "heavy causalities" comment makes no sense. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:40, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would consider it plausible if the nuking of Cloud 9 killed 1,000 people. It could have killed 5,000. It may have killed 10,000. But that entire range I consider "plausible". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

::I fully agree with Merv here. It's useless to guess at the effective blast radius. On one hand, there's nothing to stop the blast except ships; on the other, shock waves don't travel through vacuums, and the simplest statistic to measure the effects of the radiant effects, energy per unit of area, would obey an inverse square law. In any case, we don't know the strength of the warhead. It's useless to guess at how many ships would be within the radius. There's no way to know the standard gap between ships in the fleet (or if they even have a set formation at all). It's dubious to guess which ships were inside the effective blast radius, even given magical knowledge of that distance. It's dubious to guess at the complements of those ships. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 05:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You guys miss my point. I'm not talking about the blast radius or destruction wrecked by the nuking of Cloud Nine. I am talking about the conclusion that to get to 38,000, "presumably there are heavy casualties to come on New Caprica," as the article now states. Do the math: approx. 49,000, minus at least 3,000 left on the fleet, minus at least 3,000 killed on Cloud Nine, equals 43,000. (That's using numbers on the low end.) 43,000 ---> 38,000 involves a loss of 5,000. That's really the MOST that could be lost in "the battle for New Caprica." I know these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but it must seem clear even to you guys that "heavy casualities" is not a safe conclusion. It seems more likely that several hundred or a couple of thousand will be lost. Now you can argue if those figures amount to "heavy casualites" considering the number of humans left, but that does not appear to be your point. I thought we were going for conservative statements, which are logical and verifiable, not wild speculation. If that is true, then I propose that the "heavy casualites" comment be removed. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:26, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

==SFX Magazine==

Does any one have access to the September edition of SFX Magazine? There is an interview with Grace Park that as some exciting revelations in it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:31, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:I heard of this SFX magazine myself. Supposdely, she said that Helo and Sharon are or get married, and she is flying Raptors again. However I have no confirmation whatsoever, and no scans of this or a reliable report. Need someone we know to acquire one of these SFX Magazines, but they're only in Britain. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::Grumbles, I might get it if i see it but i generally dont like reading spoilers :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I have it, and read it. It disprovves some of our stuff and there is some stuff. I might just end of scanning the entire thing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:20, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will get to posting some of the stuff up hopefully later tonight, before I have to leave for VA tomorrow. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Taking a Break..."==

I e-mailed Gateworld to confirm this or say how they got it but they never e-mailed me back. That is, I didn't know if they just used "Taking a Break" as a monicker for the mid-season hiatus. The stuff they have on it seems similar to an unconfirmed report on livejournal which sounded like fanon, so I dunno. I hope they e-mail me back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==Regarding the episode numbering==
On the [[List of Episodes]] page it shows the episodes as...
*3.01 Occupation
*3.01.5 Precipice
*3.02 Exodus, Part I
*3.03 Exodus, Part II
And so on... Surely just because Precipice follows Occupation doesnt means its 3.015? Thery might not air back to back in other countries and thus should still be 3.01 and 3.02. Exodus pt I would be 3.03. If anyone one else can tell me why this should be otherwise please post here. Ill put this on my watchlist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:01, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I did the 3.01.5. We will for sure change it when we get the offical nunmber off the podcast. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:42, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well in the latest [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/ RDM blog entry] he says that they are "filming episodes 10 & 11, our mid-season cliffhanger episodes". He also goes on to say that there will be 19 episodes in total and that he counts Exodus, Part I and II as one in the production schedule. The clincher is when he says "we've taken what was to be episode 3, 'Exodus'..." so that would imply that Exodus p1 is 3.03. Understand?... lol its a bit confusing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see what all of the confusion is about: Bradley Thompson explicitly layed this out for us in Official Communiques. Both "Occupation" and "Precipice" are "Episode 1", making Precipice "Episode 1.5". I even said "wouldn't that make "Exodus, Part I" "Episode 3" and he said "no, that's episode 2" (paraphrase). He said under no circumstances to count Precipice as episode 2. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 08:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

==Citations==
There are a couple of citations to Ronald Moore's blog here, but the link is just to the blog and not a permalink. I checked his blog and couldn't find the referenced information. if anyone finds it, could you get a permalink and replace it in the article? thanks. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:08, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
:I fixed it. Both references were to the most recent entry. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:45, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

==Starbuck's Tattoo==
I must say, there is nothing in the Scifi Magazine Article that states in any way/shape/form that the tattoo on Kattee's upper left arm has anything to do with the Cylon Occupations.

We do, however, know that the tattoo in her left upper arm (the one referred to) is actually a "wedding tattoo" that she and Anders got when they got married.

So I'm saying we remove this unless the user who placed it in the article has more proof, but I doubt it since it would conflict with direct words from the actress herself. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:16, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

:Katee Sackhoff has repeatedly stated, even in a video like that TVGuide thing, that it is a "wedding tatoo". Speculation was wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cite Templtes ==

Article needs to be updated using the cite templates. [[BW:CITETEM]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Why No Photos? ==

We have in our possession several photos and screen captures from Season 3. We should be posting these online. Even though exact descriptions of the events depicted are not always available, this data is no more speculative than vague or cryptic pronouncements from the producers on their blogs, or unpremeditated slips of the tongue from actors. In fact, in many ways, they are more concrete and credible; we are seeing actual shot footage of actors in dramatic situations, often from the SciFi Channel itself. There is a lot of information to be gleaned from these photographs, and it is no less "conclusive" than what we get from some of our other sources who we regularly publish.

If we don't want to get into the business of speculating ourselves about the photos, why not establish a Season 3 "gallery" of photos and screen caps with minimal and obvious identifications (e.g., Starbuck and Leoben Conoy having dinner) and leave to others to draw conclusions about the specific dramatic circumstances? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:15, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:There are a ton located [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images/Season_3|here]]. I'm furiously avoiding looking at them (don't like spoilers), but I'd hope that'd have some good ammo for what you're suggesting. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:24, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:also anything from [[:md:User:Shane/gallery|here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:31, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== SciFi Mag not a Citable Source? ==

Okay, this is weird. I just got my text pulled and it was a description of photos appearing in SciFi, the official magazine of the SciFi Channel. If that is not an authoritative source, then I don't know what is. The descriptions were straight forward, although I did observe that one unidentified person looked remarkably similar to a known cylon agent, which is true. (I didn't say it was him, but you can't deny the obvious. And what a shocker it would be if he was one, being as he is in uniform and meeting with Adm. Adama.) All that is obvious and undeniable if you have seen the photos. Now it would be much better if we could show the photos (see above topic post) and let them speak for themselves, but short of that how is there a source problem with just describing what is clearly in them? You guardians of Battlestar Wiki purity are, I think, going a little overboard. And don't tell me the photos are in Battlestar Wiki media depository or whatever because no one will ever look for them there. This is the section on Season Three pivotal plot points and this is where that stuff belongs. My humble opinion anyway ... --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:02, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:If you can provide the source, go for it. The paragrpahs or information was not cited so it seemed made up. Go ahead and re-add it but cit the information, pages, location, author, etc. [[BW:CITE]]. I am not saying it might be wrong. I am simiply stating the [[BW:CITETEM]] was not used so no one knew on where the information came from. Also direct information from the magazine can not be posted. It has to be copyedited or rephrased in your own words. Photos have captions, but should not be placed as an item themselfs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:10, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
::I gave the name of the magazine and the date, and the descriptions were all in my own words based on what I saw in the photos. And BTW, your templates make no sense and there are apparently none for printed periodicals. And by making sure you have to be a programmer to use them, you are pre-selecting out all the writers who are not technically minded. Finally, you guys don't know s--t about copyright law. All over the site I see it written that "ideas are copyrighted, not the word usage themselves" which is completely and utterly backwards and WRONG. Ideas ''cannot'' be copyrighted, only the expression of them in particular words. (Read the copyright law.) That's why changing the wording means you can still talk about those ideas in print.
::The sad thing is that some of this information should be getting into print, and it isn't, because the style "jihadists" are going nuts and making it impossible for those who care about the information and not the coding of it. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 00:39, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Season 3 (2006-07)/Archive 1

2006-08-30T03:02:57Z

Elach: /* SciFi Mag not a Citable Source? */

"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 Episode Titles: I would't consider tv.com an official source. Isn't it a wiki-style site where fans enter the info? --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 09:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
:Exactly. It's sort of a poor man's wiki: like IMDB, it relies on fan-submissions; it's not a "news source" like say, TV Guide Magazine. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:37, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::Why I didn't think about that? You are right. Black Market-Scar-Sacrifice was a series of crap episodes, (well, Scar was not that crap, but I didn't like it) but startnig with ''[[The Captain's Hand]]'' they made excellent quality of episodes again. If this is the cost for making good episodes, then I can wait a few more months. --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 05:23, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you should have held off on removing individuals' ranks because mostlikely because of their circumstances, ex-militaries would retain their title and rank after leaving the service much as was done in the American South for centuries. I plantation owner would be called Colonel because when he was younger he served in the army or militia as that rank even though he's been retired from duty for decades. In the colonial case, since as we see, there's always the chance of a cylon return, they'd probably maintain their last rank in the case of being called back into service. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 15 March 2006 (MST)

== Hero ==
Should there be a new page created for the the so-called episode "Hero" spoiled by David Eick during his interview on iFMagazine? He talked about a script relating to "a revelation about something truly egregious and illegal that Adama was guilty of doing during the days leading up to the attack, and how he has kept the revelation of that incident from rearing it’s head." There seems to be enough to start an episode page but he didn't say which episode it will be, whether it's one of the 1st 3 "trilogy", right after that, or later in the season. But he did in fact elude to it so I think it should be documented. I don't know. I thought maybe one of the more BSG Wiki Gurus could have a better idea of how to handle this. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 12 May 2006 (MST)
: As long as it comes from info cited by Eick himself, we're fine with that. What I would do is not worry about where the episode is placed in the chronology, and create the page. When more facts reveal themselves later on, we can worry about where exactly this piece of the puzzle should go, which is a minor detail in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::the order can always be fixed later. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:43, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

== Additional episodes of Season 3 ==

I may have found legitimate verification of the titles "Collaborators" and "Torn" for episodes 4 and 5 of season 3. On the website www.sidesexpress.com(this site is for Agents and Managers), a subsite for a staffing company called The Go Between, Inc., website http://www.gobetween.com/, and it looks like looking for casting for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #304 Collaborators, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #305 Torn. The site requires a password that I don't know how to get to go beyond this point for details but it is reasonable to say that these are official, if possibly not perminent, names for these episodes. Then again, on the page for Actors, www.showfax.com, they don't have links for those episodes that would list roles that are being cast for. I found a few names of characters for Stargate Atlantis & SG-1 among others being cast for specific episodes on this page but not for BSG. So further information on these episodes other than the names, I haven't found anything on this site. The only thing is: this should be enough verification to create pages, or page placeholders, with these names for these episodes. Opinions? --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:22, 2 June 2006 (PST)
:For the path from www.sidesexpress, you have to select Vancouver, then episodes and you will see the episode names, but here's the end web address: http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?task=pname&locid=5&pt=1 --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:29, 2 June 2006 (PST)
::Our curent spoiiler policy is that unless Ron Moore, one of the writers, crew, or any of the cast members say it, it is not "confirmed". They've been known to shift around episodes and change names months in advance. Officially on BattlestarWiki, casting side excerpts are *not* a reliable source nor one that we use; I mean if you've seen some of the other sides, such as those for Pegasus or Resistance, HALF of the episode is completely rewritten between side form and the final script. You dont' get the "script" from those places you linked above; it's just a rough idea and the real episode might be nothing like that. So we don't use them. Please look over our Standards and Conventions page on the subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:07, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

== Museum of Television and Radio Spoilers ==

Have many of you heard of the event that happened last week at the Museum of Television and Radio involving viewings of BSG? Well, apparently RDM and D Eick also showed a Teaser for Season 3 that, for the most part, showed known information and, from what I've heard, scenes that don't provide usable material. However, there is apparently one quick scene from th Teaser that Ausiello from TVGuide.com described like this: "we saw some guy introducing a baby to Starbuck saying, 'This is your mother.'" This is a big tease! I think those who follow the show intently would surmize that this ties into the Missing Ovaries storyline as well as the Leobon Conoy Interigation storyline, ie., cylons using Kara's stolen ovaries to create a baby successfully with the help of Leobon Conoy. Here's the big thing: Is this enough info to stick in the Season 3 page, Kara Thrace's page, or any other page? What of this information can we use? I know I speculate too too much. And are the minor gods of this website going to accept this slightly hearsay information enough to use? I am fearful to start adding this stuff myself - low-self-asteem :( - lest somebody remove that quickly cuz it doesn't meet conventions. However, hearsay as it might be, it does come directly from RDM & Eick ...If the info is correct... --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 11:38, 14 June 2006 (PST)

:Guys...you might not habitually check out my Talk page, but I was *at* MTR: If you check the video, I was the first fan asking a question (better than that Jamie Bambar question I should think, and a bit predictable given that at BattlestarWiki I obsess over minor characters and actually care that we find the accurate spelling of Racetrack's name, etc.): Check out the Roving Reporter stuff on my talk page: [[User_talk:The_Merovingian#BattlestarWiki_Roving_Reporter]] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Now Playing Magazine Spoilers==

Divid Eick talked about the upcoming Season 3 episode in this interview[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 15:25, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:I just finished a massive round of updates on this, about an hour ago. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

== BSG Teaser on Eureka ==

Is the same one as the one at MTR? I think that I saw a Boomer with Anders and some rebels when I slowed it down. I have it on DVR if anyone wants me to look at something. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:It was slightly expanded from the MTR thing I remember, but essentially the same thing. Perhaps I forgot some stuff in my excitement at the time, but I seriously think it's the same thing, just with a few "tweaks" of inserted new footage: for example I remember no Cally-related footage in the original, but she's in several shots of this one doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Think a write up is in order or are clips too interpretive? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::For sure. This for sure good stuff. I just saw it on Eureka "repeat". '''Wow.''' Really cool! Pumped up for this third season. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:27, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well it's really not that different from the "MTR trailer report" I have in there already, but maybe we could tack something onto that (you know, rather than a new section; I'll do it). ******'''MAJOR DIFFERENCE'''******* In the MTR version of this trailer that I saw, '''Caprica-Six got shot in the forehead'''. We don't actually see who shot her (Three? Baltar? Galactica-Boomer?). They've been saying that "a Cylon character will permanently die", and as this obviously couldn't mean losing an entire "model series", it probably means that Caprica-Six is going to die, and not be reborn. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:02, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'll have it MPEG'd and put on my ftp server in about 3 hours. If anyone wants access, email michael.beardsworth@-nospam-gmail.com--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Plot Points ==
Any problem with me in the next few days condensing the plot points to statements and putting the links in references at the bottom of the article? For example, condense the first point to something like, "The first episode picks up four months after LDYB II." and put the reference in the Reference section. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:52, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==It's Official==
An entire Cylon Model is going to bite the dust. It was confirmed directly from RDM's mouth at the Comic-Con. Here are the words:

'''"There's a model that will be discontinued, or boxed. And it's someone you know."''' -RDM

It's part 1 of the Video, and you can find it in YouTube --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:00, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

I've been watching: apparently it will happen in late Season 3. Anyone else leaning for the "Last Sharon" Theory? More updates as I get them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:28, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Strictly from a production standpoint, Number 3 or Brother Cavel would make a lot of sense. However, I like the idea of the "Last" Sharon. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 04:41, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's going to be Cavil (Does he even have a number yet?). Also I don't see them killing off a princible character like Sharon. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Definitely a Three. But RDM has used 'model' in the singular (to mean one copy) before, such as in the Downloaded podcast, so this does not mean an entire series bites the dust. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:36, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I don't think that RDM is going to kill off a model simply because it's easy production-wise, ie, Cavil or Three. There's a strong possibility that the model killed off is Eight leaving Sharon on Galactica as the only surviving one. My argument: 1, already Caprica-Sharon is the only cylon to openly betray the cylon cause. 2, Galactica-Sharon isn't buying into the cylon cause. 3, The number Six model more than once has shown disapproval of the Number Eight model -- In season one she showed anger/jealousy over Caprica-Sharon's feelings for Helo and Baltar-Six's saying that the baby is something she's hardly worth deserving of. The implecation is that it's more suspectable to human feelings/behavior not consistent with the cylon cause. 4, the RDM crew like to do things to heighten the tension, make the viewers more concerned about what the outcome will be, destroy your hopes before you become to happy and comfortable. Eight is the most-beloved cylon among BSG fans so I wouldn't put it past the RDM crew to kill the model. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::If they kill off Grace i might actually cry, shes much prettier than Tricia Helfer :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:22, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

== Olmos' Population Comments at Comic-Con ==

I question whether Edward James Olmos' comments at Comic-Con about the human population are really that telling or helpful. I certainly don't know if it portends that "heavy causalities" on New Caprica are in the offing, as is now written. Remember the population of New Caprica at the end of Season 2 was 39,192. That doesn't count those who are in space. Adama told Tigh that "more than half the crew (of Galactica)" was already on the surface. In the pilot, Tyrol said there were two thousand people on Galactica (he told Leobon that). That means less than a thousand are left on Galactica. Presumably, there are several hundred (at least) left in the rest of the fleet. And we don't know how many were lost in the nuking of Cloud Nine and surrounding ships, though we do know that there were probably a lot of people on Cloud Nine. It's recreational housing seemed to have become living space for a lot of people who didn't have places elsewhere or who were looking for the best accommodations.

Anyway, if you play with those variables, you can see that it wouldn't take huge losses on New Caprica to get the total human population down to 38,000, as Olmos said.

Personally, it seems to me that the numbers don't make sense. There seem to be TOO MANY people left after the nuking of Cloud Nine. That's another reason why the "heavy causalities" comment makes no sense. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:40, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would consider it plausible if the nuking of Cloud 9 killed 1,000 people. It could have killed 5,000. It may have killed 10,000. But that entire range I consider "plausible". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

::I fully agree with Merv here. It's useless to guess at the effective blast radius. On one hand, there's nothing to stop the blast except ships; on the other, shock waves don't travel through vacuums, and the simplest statistic to measure the effects of the radiant effects, energy per unit of area, would obey an inverse square law. In any case, we don't know the strength of the warhead. It's useless to guess at how many ships would be within the radius. There's no way to know the standard gap between ships in the fleet (or if they even have a set formation at all). It's dubious to guess which ships were inside the effective blast radius, even given magical knowledge of that distance. It's dubious to guess at the complements of those ships. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 05:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You guys miss my point. I'm not talking about the blast radius or destruction wrecked by the nuking of Cloud Nine. I am talking about the conclusion that to get to 38,000, "presumably there are heavy casualties to come on New Caprica," as the article now states. Do the math: approx. 49,000, minus at least 3,000 left on the fleet, minus at least 3,000 killed on Cloud Nine, equals 43,000. (That's using numbers on the low end.) 43,000 ---> 38,000 involves a loss of 5,000. That's really the MOST that could be lost in "the battle for New Caprica." I know these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but it must seem clear even to you guys that "heavy casualities" is not a safe conclusion. It seems more likely that several hundred or a couple of thousand will be lost. Now you can argue if those figures amount to "heavy casualites" considering the number of humans left, but that does not appear to be your point. I thought we were going for conservative statements, which are logical and verifiable, not wild speculation. If that is true, then I propose that the "heavy casualites" comment be removed. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:26, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

==SFX Magazine==

Does any one have access to the September edition of SFX Magazine? There is an interview with Grace Park that as some exciting revelations in it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:31, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:I heard of this SFX magazine myself. Supposdely, she said that Helo and Sharon are or get married, and she is flying Raptors again. However I have no confirmation whatsoever, and no scans of this or a reliable report. Need someone we know to acquire one of these SFX Magazines, but they're only in Britain. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::Grumbles, I might get it if i see it but i generally dont like reading spoilers :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I have it, and read it. It disprovves some of our stuff and there is some stuff. I might just end of scanning the entire thing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:20, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will get to posting some of the stuff up hopefully later tonight, before I have to leave for VA tomorrow. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Taking a Break..."==

I e-mailed Gateworld to confirm this or say how they got it but they never e-mailed me back. That is, I didn't know if they just used "Taking a Break" as a monicker for the mid-season hiatus. The stuff they have on it seems similar to an unconfirmed report on livejournal which sounded like fanon, so I dunno. I hope they e-mail me back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==Regarding the episode numbering==
On the [[List of Episodes]] page it shows the episodes as...
*3.01 Occupation
*3.01.5 Precipice
*3.02 Exodus, Part I
*3.03 Exodus, Part II
And so on... Surely just because Precipice follows Occupation doesnt means its 3.015? Thery might not air back to back in other countries and thus should still be 3.01 and 3.02. Exodus pt I would be 3.03. If anyone one else can tell me why this should be otherwise please post here. Ill put this on my watchlist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:01, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I did the 3.01.5. We will for sure change it when we get the offical nunmber off the podcast. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:42, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well in the latest [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/ RDM blog entry] he says that they are "filming episodes 10 & 11, our mid-season cliffhanger episodes". He also goes on to say that there will be 19 episodes in total and that he counts Exodus, Part I and II as one in the production schedule. The clincher is when he says "we've taken what was to be episode 3, 'Exodus'..." so that would imply that Exodus p1 is 3.03. Understand?... lol its a bit confusing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see what all of the confusion is about: Bradley Thompson explicitly layed this out for us in Official Communiques. Both "Occupation" and "Precipice" are "Episode 1", making Precipice "Episode 1.5". I even said "wouldn't that make "Exodus, Part I" "Episode 3" and he said "no, that's episode 2" (paraphrase). He said under no circumstances to count Precipice as episode 2. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 08:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

==Citations==
There are a couple of citations to Ronald Moore's blog here, but the link is just to the blog and not a permalink. I checked his blog and couldn't find the referenced information. if anyone finds it, could you get a permalink and replace it in the article? thanks. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:08, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
:I fixed it. Both references were to the most recent entry. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:45, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

==Starbuck's Tattoo==
I must say, there is nothing in the Scifi Magazine Article that states in any way/shape/form that the tattoo on Kattee's upper left arm has anything to do with the Cylon Occupations.

We do, however, know that the tattoo in her left upper arm (the one referred to) is actually a "wedding tattoo" that she and Anders got when they got married.

So I'm saying we remove this unless the user who placed it in the article has more proof, but I doubt it since it would conflict with direct words from the actress herself. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:16, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

:Katee Sackhoff has repeatedly stated, even in a video like that TVGuide thing, that it is a "wedding tatoo". Speculation was wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cite Templtes ==

Article needs to be updated using the cite templates. [[BW:CITETEM]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Why No Photos? ==

We have in our possession several photos and screen captures from Season 3. We should be posting these online. Even though exact descriptions of the events depicted are not always available, this data is no more speculative than vague or cryptic pronouncements from the producers on their blogs, or unpremeditated slips of the tongue from actors. In fact, in many ways, they are more concrete and credible; we are seeing actual shot footage of actors in dramatic situations, often from the SciFi Channel itself. There is a lot of information to be gleaned from these photographs, and it is no less "conclusive" than what we get from some of our other sources who we regularly publish.

If we don't want to get into the business of speculating ourselves about the photos, why not establish a Season 3 "gallery" of photos and screen caps with minimal and obvious identifications (e.g., Starbuck and Leoben Conoy having dinner) and leave to others to draw conclusions about the specific dramatic circumstances? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:15, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:There are a ton located [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images/Season_3|here]]. I'm furiously avoiding looking at them (don't like spoilers), but I'd hope that'd have some good ammo for what you're suggesting. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:24, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:also anything from [[:md:User:Shane/gallery|here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:31, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== SciFi Mag not a Citable Source? ==

Okay, this is weird. I just got my text pulled and it was a description of photos appearing in SciFi, the official magazine of the SciFi Channel. If that is not an authoritative source, then I don't know what is. The descriptions were straight forward, although I did observe that one unidentified person looked remarkably similar to a known cylon agent, which is true. (I didn't say it was him, but you can't deny the obvious. And what a shocker it would be if he was one, being as he is in uniform and meeting with Adm. Adama.) All that is obvious and undeniable if you have seen the photos. Now it would be much better if we could show the photos (see above topic post) and let them speak for themselves, but short of that how is there a source problem with just describing what is clearly in them? You guardians of Battlestar Wiki purity are, I think, going a little overboard. And don't tell me the photos are in Battlestar Wiki media depository or whatever because no one will ever look for them there. This is the section on Season Three pivotal plot points and this is where that stuff belongs. My humble opinion anyway ... --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:02, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Season 3 (2006-07)/Archive 1

2006-08-30T03:02:26Z

Elach: /* Why No Photos? */

"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 Episode Titles: I would't consider tv.com an official source. Isn't it a wiki-style site where fans enter the info? --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 09:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
:Exactly. It's sort of a poor man's wiki: like IMDB, it relies on fan-submissions; it's not a "news source" like say, TV Guide Magazine. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:37, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::Why I didn't think about that? You are right. Black Market-Scar-Sacrifice was a series of crap episodes, (well, Scar was not that crap, but I didn't like it) but startnig with ''[[The Captain's Hand]]'' they made excellent quality of episodes again. If this is the cost for making good episodes, then I can wait a few more months. --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 05:23, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you should have held off on removing individuals' ranks because mostlikely because of their circumstances, ex-militaries would retain their title and rank after leaving the service much as was done in the American South for centuries. I plantation owner would be called Colonel because when he was younger he served in the army or militia as that rank even though he's been retired from duty for decades. In the colonial case, since as we see, there's always the chance of a cylon return, they'd probably maintain their last rank in the case of being called back into service. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 15 March 2006 (MST)

== Hero ==
Should there be a new page created for the the so-called episode "Hero" spoiled by David Eick during his interview on iFMagazine? He talked about a script relating to "a revelation about something truly egregious and illegal that Adama was guilty of doing during the days leading up to the attack, and how he has kept the revelation of that incident from rearing it’s head." There seems to be enough to start an episode page but he didn't say which episode it will be, whether it's one of the 1st 3 "trilogy", right after that, or later in the season. But he did in fact elude to it so I think it should be documented. I don't know. I thought maybe one of the more BSG Wiki Gurus could have a better idea of how to handle this. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 12 May 2006 (MST)
: As long as it comes from info cited by Eick himself, we're fine with that. What I would do is not worry about where the episode is placed in the chronology, and create the page. When more facts reveal themselves later on, we can worry about where exactly this piece of the puzzle should go, which is a minor detail in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::the order can always be fixed later. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:43, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

== Additional episodes of Season 3 ==

I may have found legitimate verification of the titles "Collaborators" and "Torn" for episodes 4 and 5 of season 3. On the website www.sidesexpress.com(this site is for Agents and Managers), a subsite for a staffing company called The Go Between, Inc., website http://www.gobetween.com/, and it looks like looking for casting for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #304 Collaborators, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #305 Torn. The site requires a password that I don't know how to get to go beyond this point for details but it is reasonable to say that these are official, if possibly not perminent, names for these episodes. Then again, on the page for Actors, www.showfax.com, they don't have links for those episodes that would list roles that are being cast for. I found a few names of characters for Stargate Atlantis & SG-1 among others being cast for specific episodes on this page but not for BSG. So further information on these episodes other than the names, I haven't found anything on this site. The only thing is: this should be enough verification to create pages, or page placeholders, with these names for these episodes. Opinions? --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:22, 2 June 2006 (PST)
:For the path from www.sidesexpress, you have to select Vancouver, then episodes and you will see the episode names, but here's the end web address: http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?task=pname&locid=5&pt=1 --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:29, 2 June 2006 (PST)
::Our curent spoiiler policy is that unless Ron Moore, one of the writers, crew, or any of the cast members say it, it is not "confirmed". They've been known to shift around episodes and change names months in advance. Officially on BattlestarWiki, casting side excerpts are *not* a reliable source nor one that we use; I mean if you've seen some of the other sides, such as those for Pegasus or Resistance, HALF of the episode is completely rewritten between side form and the final script. You dont' get the "script" from those places you linked above; it's just a rough idea and the real episode might be nothing like that. So we don't use them. Please look over our Standards and Conventions page on the subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:07, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

== Museum of Television and Radio Spoilers ==

Have many of you heard of the event that happened last week at the Museum of Television and Radio involving viewings of BSG? Well, apparently RDM and D Eick also showed a Teaser for Season 3 that, for the most part, showed known information and, from what I've heard, scenes that don't provide usable material. However, there is apparently one quick scene from th Teaser that Ausiello from TVGuide.com described like this: "we saw some guy introducing a baby to Starbuck saying, 'This is your mother.'" This is a big tease! I think those who follow the show intently would surmize that this ties into the Missing Ovaries storyline as well as the Leobon Conoy Interigation storyline, ie., cylons using Kara's stolen ovaries to create a baby successfully with the help of Leobon Conoy. Here's the big thing: Is this enough info to stick in the Season 3 page, Kara Thrace's page, or any other page? What of this information can we use? I know I speculate too too much. And are the minor gods of this website going to accept this slightly hearsay information enough to use? I am fearful to start adding this stuff myself - low-self-asteem :( - lest somebody remove that quickly cuz it doesn't meet conventions. However, hearsay as it might be, it does come directly from RDM & Eick ...If the info is correct... --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 11:38, 14 June 2006 (PST)

:Guys...you might not habitually check out my Talk page, but I was *at* MTR: If you check the video, I was the first fan asking a question (better than that Jamie Bambar question I should think, and a bit predictable given that at BattlestarWiki I obsess over minor characters and actually care that we find the accurate spelling of Racetrack's name, etc.): Check out the Roving Reporter stuff on my talk page: [[User_talk:The_Merovingian#BattlestarWiki_Roving_Reporter]] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Now Playing Magazine Spoilers==

Divid Eick talked about the upcoming Season 3 episode in this interview[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 15:25, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:I just finished a massive round of updates on this, about an hour ago. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

== BSG Teaser on Eureka ==

Is the same one as the one at MTR? I think that I saw a Boomer with Anders and some rebels when I slowed it down. I have it on DVR if anyone wants me to look at something. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:It was slightly expanded from the MTR thing I remember, but essentially the same thing. Perhaps I forgot some stuff in my excitement at the time, but I seriously think it's the same thing, just with a few "tweaks" of inserted new footage: for example I remember no Cally-related footage in the original, but she's in several shots of this one doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Think a write up is in order or are clips too interpretive? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::For sure. This for sure good stuff. I just saw it on Eureka "repeat". '''Wow.''' Really cool! Pumped up for this third season. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:27, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well it's really not that different from the "MTR trailer report" I have in there already, but maybe we could tack something onto that (you know, rather than a new section; I'll do it). ******'''MAJOR DIFFERENCE'''******* In the MTR version of this trailer that I saw, '''Caprica-Six got shot in the forehead'''. We don't actually see who shot her (Three? Baltar? Galactica-Boomer?). They've been saying that "a Cylon character will permanently die", and as this obviously couldn't mean losing an entire "model series", it probably means that Caprica-Six is going to die, and not be reborn. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:02, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'll have it MPEG'd and put on my ftp server in about 3 hours. If anyone wants access, email michael.beardsworth@-nospam-gmail.com--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Plot Points ==
Any problem with me in the next few days condensing the plot points to statements and putting the links in references at the bottom of the article? For example, condense the first point to something like, "The first episode picks up four months after LDYB II." and put the reference in the Reference section. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:52, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==It's Official==
An entire Cylon Model is going to bite the dust. It was confirmed directly from RDM's mouth at the Comic-Con. Here are the words:

'''"There's a model that will be discontinued, or boxed. And it's someone you know."''' -RDM

It's part 1 of the Video, and you can find it in YouTube --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:00, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

I've been watching: apparently it will happen in late Season 3. Anyone else leaning for the "Last Sharon" Theory? More updates as I get them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:28, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Strictly from a production standpoint, Number 3 or Brother Cavel would make a lot of sense. However, I like the idea of the "Last" Sharon. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 04:41, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's going to be Cavil (Does he even have a number yet?). Also I don't see them killing off a princible character like Sharon. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Definitely a Three. But RDM has used 'model' in the singular (to mean one copy) before, such as in the Downloaded podcast, so this does not mean an entire series bites the dust. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:36, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I don't think that RDM is going to kill off a model simply because it's easy production-wise, ie, Cavil or Three. There's a strong possibility that the model killed off is Eight leaving Sharon on Galactica as the only surviving one. My argument: 1, already Caprica-Sharon is the only cylon to openly betray the cylon cause. 2, Galactica-Sharon isn't buying into the cylon cause. 3, The number Six model more than once has shown disapproval of the Number Eight model -- In season one she showed anger/jealousy over Caprica-Sharon's feelings for Helo and Baltar-Six's saying that the baby is something she's hardly worth deserving of. The implecation is that it's more suspectable to human feelings/behavior not consistent with the cylon cause. 4, the RDM crew like to do things to heighten the tension, make the viewers more concerned about what the outcome will be, destroy your hopes before you become to happy and comfortable. Eight is the most-beloved cylon among BSG fans so I wouldn't put it past the RDM crew to kill the model. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::If they kill off Grace i might actually cry, shes much prettier than Tricia Helfer :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:22, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

== Olmos' Population Comments at Comic-Con ==

I question whether Edward James Olmos' comments at Comic-Con about the human population are really that telling or helpful. I certainly don't know if it portends that "heavy causalities" on New Caprica are in the offing, as is now written. Remember the population of New Caprica at the end of Season 2 was 39,192. That doesn't count those who are in space. Adama told Tigh that "more than half the crew (of Galactica)" was already on the surface. In the pilot, Tyrol said there were two thousand people on Galactica (he told Leobon that). That means less than a thousand are left on Galactica. Presumably, there are several hundred (at least) left in the rest of the fleet. And we don't know how many were lost in the nuking of Cloud Nine and surrounding ships, though we do know that there were probably a lot of people on Cloud Nine. It's recreational housing seemed to have become living space for a lot of people who didn't have places elsewhere or who were looking for the best accommodations.

Anyway, if you play with those variables, you can see that it wouldn't take huge losses on New Caprica to get the total human population down to 38,000, as Olmos said.

Personally, it seems to me that the numbers don't make sense. There seem to be TOO MANY people left after the nuking of Cloud Nine. That's another reason why the "heavy causalities" comment makes no sense. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:40, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would consider it plausible if the nuking of Cloud 9 killed 1,000 people. It could have killed 5,000. It may have killed 10,000. But that entire range I consider "plausible". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

::I fully agree with Merv here. It's useless to guess at the effective blast radius. On one hand, there's nothing to stop the blast except ships; on the other, shock waves don't travel through vacuums, and the simplest statistic to measure the effects of the radiant effects, energy per unit of area, would obey an inverse square law. In any case, we don't know the strength of the warhead. It's useless to guess at how many ships would be within the radius. There's no way to know the standard gap between ships in the fleet (or if they even have a set formation at all). It's dubious to guess which ships were inside the effective blast radius, even given magical knowledge of that distance. It's dubious to guess at the complements of those ships. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 05:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You guys miss my point. I'm not talking about the blast radius or destruction wrecked by the nuking of Cloud Nine. I am talking about the conclusion that to get to 38,000, "presumably there are heavy casualties to come on New Caprica," as the article now states. Do the math: approx. 49,000, minus at least 3,000 left on the fleet, minus at least 3,000 killed on Cloud Nine, equals 43,000. (That's using numbers on the low end.) 43,000 ---> 38,000 involves a loss of 5,000. That's really the MOST that could be lost in "the battle for New Caprica." I know these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but it must seem clear even to you guys that "heavy casualities" is not a safe conclusion. It seems more likely that several hundred or a couple of thousand will be lost. Now you can argue if those figures amount to "heavy casualites" considering the number of humans left, but that does not appear to be your point. I thought we were going for conservative statements, which are logical and verifiable, not wild speculation. If that is true, then I propose that the "heavy casualites" comment be removed. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:26, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

==SFX Magazine==

Does any one have access to the September edition of SFX Magazine? There is an interview with Grace Park that as some exciting revelations in it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:31, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:I heard of this SFX magazine myself. Supposdely, she said that Helo and Sharon are or get married, and she is flying Raptors again. However I have no confirmation whatsoever, and no scans of this or a reliable report. Need someone we know to acquire one of these SFX Magazines, but they're only in Britain. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::Grumbles, I might get it if i see it but i generally dont like reading spoilers :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I have it, and read it. It disprovves some of our stuff and there is some stuff. I might just end of scanning the entire thing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:20, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will get to posting some of the stuff up hopefully later tonight, before I have to leave for VA tomorrow. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Taking a Break..."==

I e-mailed Gateworld to confirm this or say how they got it but they never e-mailed me back. That is, I didn't know if they just used "Taking a Break" as a monicker for the mid-season hiatus. The stuff they have on it seems similar to an unconfirmed report on livejournal which sounded like fanon, so I dunno. I hope they e-mail me back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==Regarding the episode numbering==
On the [[List of Episodes]] page it shows the episodes as...
*3.01 Occupation
*3.01.5 Precipice
*3.02 Exodus, Part I
*3.03 Exodus, Part II
And so on... Surely just because Precipice follows Occupation doesnt means its 3.015? Thery might not air back to back in other countries and thus should still be 3.01 and 3.02. Exodus pt I would be 3.03. If anyone one else can tell me why this should be otherwise please post here. Ill put this on my watchlist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:01, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I did the 3.01.5. We will for sure change it when we get the offical nunmber off the podcast. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:42, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well in the latest [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/ RDM blog entry] he says that they are "filming episodes 10 & 11, our mid-season cliffhanger episodes". He also goes on to say that there will be 19 episodes in total and that he counts Exodus, Part I and II as one in the production schedule. The clincher is when he says "we've taken what was to be episode 3, 'Exodus'..." so that would imply that Exodus p1 is 3.03. Understand?... lol its a bit confusing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see what all of the confusion is about: Bradley Thompson explicitly layed this out for us in Official Communiques. Both "Occupation" and "Precipice" are "Episode 1", making Precipice "Episode 1.5". I even said "wouldn't that make "Exodus, Part I" "Episode 3" and he said "no, that's episode 2" (paraphrase). He said under no circumstances to count Precipice as episode 2. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 08:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

==Citations==
There are a couple of citations to Ronald Moore's blog here, but the link is just to the blog and not a permalink. I checked his blog and couldn't find the referenced information. if anyone finds it, could you get a permalink and replace it in the article? thanks. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:08, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
:I fixed it. Both references were to the most recent entry. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:45, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

==Starbuck's Tattoo==
I must say, there is nothing in the Scifi Magazine Article that states in any way/shape/form that the tattoo on Kattee's upper left arm has anything to do with the Cylon Occupations.

We do, however, know that the tattoo in her left upper arm (the one referred to) is actually a "wedding tattoo" that she and Anders got when they got married.

So I'm saying we remove this unless the user who placed it in the article has more proof, but I doubt it since it would conflict with direct words from the actress herself. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:16, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

:Katee Sackhoff has repeatedly stated, even in a video like that TVGuide thing, that it is a "wedding tatoo". Speculation was wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cite Templtes ==

Article needs to be updated using the cite templates. [[BW:CITETEM]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Why No Photos? ==

We have in our possession several photos and screen captures from Season 3. We should be posting these online. Even though exact descriptions of the events depicted are not always available, this data is no more speculative than vague or cryptic pronouncements from the producers on their blogs, or unpremeditated slips of the tongue from actors. In fact, in many ways, they are more concrete and credible; we are seeing actual shot footage of actors in dramatic situations, often from the SciFi Channel itself. There is a lot of information to be gleaned from these photographs, and it is no less "conclusive" than what we get from some of our other sources who we regularly publish.

If we don't want to get into the business of speculating ourselves about the photos, why not establish a Season 3 "gallery" of photos and screen caps with minimal and obvious identifications (e.g., Starbuck and Leoben Conoy having dinner) and leave to others to draw conclusions about the specific dramatic circumstances? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:15, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:There are a ton located [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images/Season_3|here]]. I'm furiously avoiding looking at them (don't like spoilers), but I'd hope that'd have some good ammo for what you're suggesting. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:24, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
:also anything from [[:md:User:Shane/gallery|here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:31, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== SciFi Mag not a Citable Source? ==

Okay, this is weird. I just got my text pulled and it was a description of photos appearing in SciFi, the official magazine of the SciFi Channel. If that is not an authoritative source, then I don't know what is. The descriptions were straight forward, although I did observe that one unidentified person looked remarkably similar to a known cylon agent, which is true. (I didn't say it was him, but you can't deny the obvious. And what a shocker it would be if he was one, being as he is in uniform and meeting with Adm. Adama.) All that is obvious and undeniable if you have seen the photos. Now it would be much better if we could show the photos (see above topic post) and let them speak for themselves, but short of that how is there a source problem with just describing what is clearly in them? You guardians of Battlestar Wiki purity are, I think, going a little overboard. And don't tell me the photos are in Battlestar Wiki media depository or whatever because no one will ever look for them there. This is the section on Season Three pivotal plot points and this is where that stuff belongs. My humble opinion anyway ...

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[[Image:Seas3.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Battlestar Galactica Season 3]]
==Summary==

:''Under the occupation of the [[Cylon]]'s rule, and without [[The Fleet]] for protection, the [[Colonials]] stranded on [[New Caprica]] must once again fight for their survival and their freedom.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*The [[Occupation | first episode]] of Season 3 occurs four months after the events of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] with the occupation in full swing.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss |title= Reborn "Galactica" can do battle with the best of sci-fi |date=2006-04-28 |last=Peterson |first=Kim |format= |language=English |publisher=Seattle Times}}</ref>
*The occupation is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]. The Colonial government run by President Baltar is collaborating with the [[Cylons (RDM)]], while other the humans put together a secret resistance against the Cylons. <ref name="now">[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview NowPlayingMagazine Interview with Ron Moore, March 11, 2006]</ref>
*According to [[Lucy Lawless]], who plays [[Number Three]]: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in the first ten Season 3 episodes.<ref>[http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention]</ref>
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of Season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
**There will actually be flashbacks explaining exactly why Apollo gained a lot of weight in the year that passed, why Starbuck and Tigh have mended fences now, and what happened that made Starbuck and Apollo angry at each other (apparently it was more than just her being insensitive when Anders came to ''Galactica'', possibly something more specific than him simply being frustrated that they got married). Lee will stay overweight for about the first 5 episodes.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/]
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". <ref name="now"/>
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc. <ref name="now"/>
*Katee Sackhoff has said in several [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-kateesackhoffbattlestargalacticaseason3secrets,0,6358727.story?coll=zap-rotator-coll interviews] that she has lost a fight with the producers to keep her long hair, and Starbuck's hair will become incredibly short in season 3. Sackhoff said her hair will be "somewhere between Sigourney Weaver in Alien (3) and the pilot ([[Miniseries]])", and "Kind of...like Natalie Portman in "[[Wikipedia:V for Vendetta (film)|V for Vendetta]]" short". Sackhoff goes on to say that her character "goes through a lot of turmoil over the first four episodes, more so than we've ever seen her, the depth of despair that she finds herself in are pretty deep at the end of episode four, and she kind of re-establishes her commitment to the military in episode five which is the haircut" and "sort of like ritualistically, preparing herself to go back on the warpath". (Ron Moore has said that the characters would leave New Caprica by around episode 5, so Sackhoff is probably referring to the point when they leave and she rejoins the military).
**Sackhoff stated in a more recent interview on June 20th that she was able to make a compromise with Ron and David, and in season 3 she will ''not'' have a "V for Vendetta"-style crew cut, but instead the length of her hair will be shorter than it was at the beginning of Season 1 (i.e. in "[[33]]"), but longer than it was during the Miniseries.
*Sackhoff went on to say that "there is another man that comes into her life, and it is a very unlikely man that everyone is going to be so livid over", and which Sackhoff wasn't entirely happy about. She then said "It's Adama", but she appeared to be saying it jokingly to tease the fans. She was probably joking if she meant Admiral William Adama, while Lee "Apollo" Adama doesn't seem very "unlikely" a choice given their history.
*According to a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/#a000525 blog] by Ronald Moore, he states that the relationship between Helo and Boomer will continue, neither Boomer will be killed in Season 3, and a subplot early in Season 3 will involve a [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies|dog]].
*Anders will be alive for at least 7 episodes of season 3, according to news from his [http://www.michaeltrucco.com/index.html website].
*In an [http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1496 interview] with iFMagazine on May 11, 2006, David Eick said "I’m excited about the fact that we will be exploring the interior of a Cylon basestar, and that will include the introduction of the new type of Cylon. I’m excited about the fact that we’re going to have Lucy [Lawless] back. I think it’s going to be exciting for the fans to watch the opening trilogy of episodes, because we’re really falling into the rubric of something for everybody. There will be great philosophical crisis talking place with Baltar [James Callis]. There’s a round-up taking place of human beings becoming a police force, or a Gestapo, for the occupying Cylons. Then there’s an attempt at an escape that will be like THE GREAT ESCAPE, and be a dynamic action episode. There’s a lot of really rich stuff for the opening three. Beyond that point everything is embryonic, and still in development."
*In an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3165&Itemid=0 interview], [[Tahmoh Penikett]] confirms that [[Helo]] is Galactica's XO at the beginning of Season 3.
*In an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/ew0606/index.html article] in the June 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, Tricia Helfer said that one Cylon character will be permanently killed. This is probably [[Caprica-Six]], who was seen shot in the trailer that was screened at MTR (though it is unclear who shoots her).
**According to David Eick in an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/tvguide0706/ article] in TVGuide, the Cylons ''themselves'' will execute the Cylon that permanently dies: "The notion of execution is repulsive to the Cylons...to reach that point with one of their own is a monumental event." This could possibly refer to [[boxing]] (explained in "[[Downloaded]]"): the Cylons feel that they are ethically superior to humans, so they felt that "boxing" a Cylon's consciousness - leaving it in cold storage and never loading it into a new body - was better than execution, even though they're practically the same.
*According to an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] with [[Leah Cairns]] on June 27th, 2006, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] is not trapped on New Caprica, but was on ''Galactica'' when it Jumped away with the Fleet. She mentions that Racetrack appears in episodes 8 and 9, meaning she survives at least that long.
*According to the May 11th, 2006 IF Magazine interview with David Eick, Dualla is indeed married to Lee Adama after the "one year later" leap forward in time. Previously there was only speculation about this fact based on what seemed to be Dualla playing with a ring on her wedding finger during her scene on the Pegasus bridge during the season finale.
*At a [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1833539&page=0&fpart=86&vc=1 convention appearance], [[Jamie Bamber]] said that we will find out in flashbacks what happened between Apollo and Starbuck that caused a rift between them, in episode 8 "[[Unfinished Business]]". This will include a boxing scene in which Apollo and Starbuck beat the hell out of each other.
*An [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/ interview] on July 13, 2006 with executive producer [[David Eick]] revealed much to come in season 3:
**Eick said that episode 7, "[[Hero]], "involves a human POW(likely played by Carl Lumbly of Alias as David Eick mentioned he would be in episode 7) who’s been trapped on the Cylon base ship for the last four years, and when we meet him we realize it’s a great homecoming for him because he was one of Adama’s pilots. But by the middle of the episode you realize the reason why this guy was taken prisoner was because Adama shot his ship down. And it becomes sort of an episode about why such a thing would have happened and how Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies."
***Note: Season 3 will occur roughly 2 years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], so this past action by Adama occurred roughly 2 years before the Cylon attack. This corresponds with the dates that known [[Cylon agent|humanoid Cylon]] infiltration of the Twelve Colonies commenced: [[Caprica-Six]] was in a relationship with Baltar since 2 years before the attack, and Adama said that ''Galactica''-Sharon had been serving on his ship for 2 years.
**There will be a mid-season break between episodes 10 and 11. However it will not be as long as the hiatus between "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]": while that mid-season break lasted 4 months, this mid-season 3 break will last 1 month.
**Episodes 5 and 6 are a two-part story in which ''Galactica'' discovers a dying Cylon Baseship, and deals with a plague that has befallen the Cylons.
**Episode 8 will be a flashback episode dealing with events that transpired during the "One Year Later" time-jump. Grace Park has previously revealed the name of this flashback episode (though not the airing order) in another interview: its current title is "[[Unfinished Business]]".
**Episode 9 is not quite a standalone, not quite an arc episode: it sets up/leads into the mid-season finale in episode 10 (similar to how "[[Colonial Day]]" led up to "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" in Season 1, "[[Downloaded]]" led up to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and (to an extent) "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" introduced elements for "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). }
***In a blog entry<ref name="blog20060727">[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/#a001019 Ronald Moore's blog entry for July 27th, 2006]</ref>, [[Ronald Moore]] describes this episode entitled "The Passage", has "a harrowing voyage of the rag-tag fleet and focuses on Kat."
**The mid-season cliffhanger story, spanning episodes 10 and 11, will center on "discovering the next big clue on the road to Earth".
*A [[Season 3]] teaser was shown during the premiere of [http://www.scifi.com/eureka/ Eureka] on Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday, July 18. Details are [[User:Gougef/Season 3 Teaser | here]].
**It was the same trailer screened at MTR on June 2nd, however there were noticeable tweaks. To see a ''BattlestarWiki'' user's first hand report on the trailer from MTR, see [[User talk:The Merovingian#BattlestarWiki Roving Reporter|this page]].

*According to Edward James Olmos at the 2006 Comic-Con<ref>{{cite web|url=http://media33b.libsyn.com/m3dteJR2aHjHe5d%2BZXZxpJqtY3aY/podcasts/mb/tmbs-060722-sdcc_bsg.mov |title=Comic-Con 2006 |format=VID }}</ref> BSG panel, the Colonials will spread this virus throughout the Cylon fleet, causing a pandemic (paralleling real world current fears of the [[Wikipedia:H5N1|Avian Flu]]), in payback against the Cylons. Olmos also said that by the middle of Season 3 (which was at the time in the middle of filming) the total human [[Survivor Count]] has shrunk from over 49,000 pre-"[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" to roughly 38,000. At least several thousand must have died in the nuking of [[Cloud 9]] by [[Gina]], and presumably there are more casualties to come on New Caprica.
*Roslin returns to the presidency.<ref name="blog20060727"/>
*In the October 2006 edition of ''SciFi'', the official magazine of the SciFi Channel, a photograph shows Starbuck and the cylon Leoben Conoy having dinner together, as well as Adm. Adama meeting with Kat, Dualla, and an unknown bald black man in Adama's quarters. (The unknown man looks suspiciously like Simon, one of the known Cylon models.) Also, another photo shows cylon agents Sharon, Cavil, D'anna and Simon looking on as Doral holds a pistol to Baltar's head inside Colonial One.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Galactica Crew Guide]] page.''

==Episodes==
: ''To view the list of episodes, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Episode Guide#Season 3: October 2006|Battlestar Galactica Episode Guide]] page.''

== Official Statements ==

*An official notice of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

::SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in '''April 2006'''.<ref>{{cite press release|url=http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 |title=Galactica Returns In Fall |website=SciFi.com | date=2006-03-09 }}</ref>

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 26, 2006]) ===

* '''Regarding [[William Adama]] and the reduction of the Colonial military:'''

: '' "What happened to Adama in the season finale to change him so much? Why would a man who spent decades of his adult life standing watch for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] return suddenly give in and allow the military to stand down? How could he convince himself that the Cylons weren't coming back after 1 year when the last time they waited 40 years? He knew settlement was wrong so why didn't he offer any resistance? "''

: I think people have a remarkable ability to convince themselves of just about anything. Adama, like everyone else in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], had been constantly on the run, constantly under stress, and constantly in danger of losing his life for months on end, with virtually no break from the metal walls surrounding him day in and day out. When, finally, the people decided to end the long sojourn and settle on [[New Caprica]], he had little choice but to comply with the results of a democratic election which hinged on that very question. And as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, people began to relax, to believe that maybe they had really turned a corner, had really found a place to lay down their burdens and start a new life. Adama was just as vulnerable to that attractive idea as anyone else, and as the men and women under him began to clamor for a new life, as the political leadership of New Caprica began to demand more and more military resources to support the civilian population, there came the point where Adama began to believe in the mirage too. He's not perfect. He never was. He couldn't bring himself to leave his ship, but as age and fatigue began to set in, he started to let down his guard just a little -- not all at once and never completely, but just enough.

: There were also practical considerations. He was entirely alone out here. No Admiralty to call for reinforcements or intelligence, no Justice Ministry to prosecute soldiers who simply never came back from the surface of [[New Caprica]], and no friendly ear in the office of the president to get needed resources for the military ships maintaining their lonely vigil up in orbit. He was alone and he was tired. It's almost as simple as that.

: I remember one of my most vivid memories from the immediate post 9/11 period was opening up the newspaper and reading about a physical confrontation in the streets between members of the New York police department and the New York fire department. It was heartbreaking, it was infuriating and it was illuminating. People are people. Enormous events happen, history pivots around us and we tell ourselves that everything has changed, that we're irrevocably different from this day forward -- until the next time everything changes. Adama made a mistake. They all did. And as he is wont to say, they will all have to live with it.

* '''Concerning [[Lee Adama]]'s changes:'''

: ''"What is up with the pudgified Apollo? Too much chunky munky B&J?"''

: We're going to hint at some of the reasons for Lee's physical, er... changes in the first few episodes, then deal with it in more detail later. Overall, we're going to be hinting at a lot of things that happened in the intervening year over the first few episodes, then do more stuff with it later, as the season progresses.

* '''Regarding [[Saul Tigh]]'s role in season three:'''

: Anyway, I think you'll be happy to know that we've got some real meaty stuff planned for the Colonel in the first few episodes. I also felt that we didn't use Tigh as effectively in the later part of [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]], and I was eager to get him back into the thick of things. He's got a sizable role in the initial episodes, and there are some enormous changes and shocks coming for his character next season.

* '''Regarding the role of [[Tom Zarek]]:'''

: ''"What happened to Zarek? Given his help getting [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] elected, I would have expected him to have recieved a pretty nice 'reward', perhaps as VP? Did Baltar even have a VP? We never see Zarek post-election or a year later on [[New Caprica]]. Given Zarak's penchant for political mayhem, I would think that his fate would be one of significant interest. Perhaps we will see this early in Season 3? "''

:You will be seeing Zarek again and early in the season. He was the Vice President, but his relationship with Baltar went south relatively quickly, and he simply refused to cooperate once the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation began.

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* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
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[[Image:Seas3.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Battlestar Galactica Season 3]]
==Summary==

:''Under the occupation of the [[Cylon]]'s rule, and without [[The Fleet]] for protection, the [[Colonials]] stranded on [[New Caprica]] must once again fight for their survival and their freedom.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*The [[Occupation | first episode]] of Season 3 occurs four months after the events of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] with the occupation in full swing.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss |title= Reborn "Galactica" can do battle with the best of sci-fi |date=2006-04-28 |last=Peterson |first=Kim |format= |language=English |publisher=Seattle Times}}</ref>
*The occupation is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]. The Colonial government run by President Baltar is collaborating with the [[Cylons (RDM)]], while other the humans put together a secret resistance against the Cylons. <ref name="now">[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview NowPlayingMagazine Interview with Ron Moore, March 11, 2006]</ref>
*According to [[Lucy Lawless]], who plays [[Number Three]]: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in the first ten Season 3 episodes.<ref>[http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention]</ref>
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of Season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
**There will actually be flashbacks explaining exactly why Apollo gained a lot of weight in the year that passed, why Starbuck and Tigh have mended fences now, and what happened that made Starbuck and Apollo angry at each other (apparently it was more than just her being insensitive when Anders came to ''Galactica'', possibly something more specific than him simply being frustrated that they got married). Lee will stay overweight for about the first 5 episodes.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/]
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". <ref name="now"/>
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc. <ref name="now"/>
*Katee Sackhoff has said in several [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-kateesackhoffbattlestargalacticaseason3secrets,0,6358727.story?coll=zap-rotator-coll interviews] that she has lost a fight with the producers to keep her long hair, and Starbuck's hair will become incredibly short in season 3. Sackhoff said her hair will be "somewhere between Sigourney Weaver in Alien (3) and the pilot ([[Miniseries]])", and "Kind of...like Natalie Portman in "[[Wikipedia:V for Vendetta (film)|V for Vendetta]]" short". Sackhoff goes on to say that her character "goes through a lot of turmoil over the first four episodes, more so than we've ever seen her, the depth of despair that she finds herself in are pretty deep at the end of episode four, and she kind of re-establishes her commitment to the military in episode five which is the haircut" and "sort of like ritualistically, preparing herself to go back on the warpath". (Ron Moore has said that the characters would leave New Caprica by around episode 5, so Sackhoff is probably referring to the point when they leave and she rejoins the military).
**Sackhoff stated in a more recent interview on June 20th that she was able to make a compromise with Ron and David, and in season 3 she will ''not'' have a "V for Vendetta"-style crew cut, but instead the length of her hair will be shorter than it was at the beginning of Season 1 (i.e. in "[[33]]"), but longer than it was during the Miniseries.
*Sackhoff went on to say that "there is another man that comes into her life, and it is a very unlikely man that everyone is going to be so livid over", and which Sackhoff wasn't entirely happy about. She then said "It's Adama", but she appeared to be saying it jokingly to tease the fans. She was probably joking if she meant Admiral William Adama, while Lee "Apollo" Adama doesn't seem very "unlikely" a choice given their history.
*According to a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/#a000525 blog] by Ronald Moore, he states that the relationship between Helo and Boomer will continue, neither Boomer will be killed in Season 3, and a subplot early in Season 3 will involve a [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies|dog]].
*Anders will be alive for at least 7 episodes of season 3, according to news from his [http://www.michaeltrucco.com/index.html website].
*In an [http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1496 interview] with iFMagazine on May 11, 2006, David Eick said "I’m excited about the fact that we will be exploring the interior of a Cylon basestar, and that will include the introduction of the new type of Cylon. I’m excited about the fact that we’re going to have Lucy [Lawless] back. I think it’s going to be exciting for the fans to watch the opening trilogy of episodes, because we’re really falling into the rubric of something for everybody. There will be great philosophical crisis talking place with Baltar [James Callis]. There’s a round-up taking place of human beings becoming a police force, or a Gestapo, for the occupying Cylons. Then there’s an attempt at an escape that will be like THE GREAT ESCAPE, and be a dynamic action episode. There’s a lot of really rich stuff for the opening three. Beyond that point everything is embryonic, and still in development."
*In an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3165&Itemid=0 interview], [[Tahmoh Penikett]] confirms that [[Helo]] is Galactica's XO at the beginning of Season 3.
*In an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/ew0606/index.html article] in the June 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, Tricia Helfer said that one Cylon character will be permanently killed. This is probably [[Caprica-Six]], who was seen shot in the trailer that was screened at MTR (though it is unclear who shoots her).
**According to David Eick in an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/tvguide0706/ article] in TVGuide, the Cylons ''themselves'' will execute the Cylon that permanently dies: "The notion of execution is repulsive to the Cylons...to reach that point with one of their own is a monumental event." This could possibly refer to [[boxing]] (explained in "[[Downloaded]]"): the Cylons feel that they are ethically superior to humans, so they felt that "boxing" a Cylon's consciousness - leaving it in cold storage and never loading it into a new body - was better than execution, even though they're practically the same.
*According to an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] with [[Leah Cairns]] on June 27th, 2006, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] is not trapped on New Caprica, but was on ''Galactica'' when it Jumped away with the Fleet. She mentions that Racetrack appears in episodes 8 and 9, meaning she survives at least that long.
*According to the May 11th, 2006 IF Magazine interview with David Eick, Dualla is indeed married to Lee Adama after the "one year later" leap forward in time. Previously there was only speculation about this fact based on what seemed to be Dualla playing with a ring on her wedding finger during her scene on the Pegasus bridge during the season finale.
*At a [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1833539&page=0&fpart=86&vc=1 convention appearance], [[Jamie Bamber]] said that we will find out in flashbacks what happened between Apollo and Starbuck that caused a rift between them, in episode 8 "[[Unfinished Business]]". This will include a boxing scene in which Apollo and Starbuck beat the hell out of each other.
*An [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/ interview] on July 13, 2006 with executive producer [[David Eick]] revealed much to come in season 3:
**Eick said that episode 7, "[[Hero]], "involves a human POW(likely played by Carl Lumbly of Alias as David Eick mentioned he would be in episode 7) who’s been trapped on the Cylon base ship for the last four years, and when we meet him we realize it’s a great homecoming for him because he was one of Adama’s pilots. But by the middle of the episode you realize the reason why this guy was taken prisoner was because Adama shot his ship down. And it becomes sort of an episode about why such a thing would have happened and how Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies."
***Note: Season 3 will occur roughly 2 years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], so this past action by Adama occurred roughly 2 years before the Cylon attack. This corresponds with the dates that known [[Cylon agent|humanoid Cylon]] infiltration of the Twelve Colonies commenced: [[Caprica-Six]] was in a relationship with Baltar since 2 years before the attack, and Adama said that ''Galactica''-Sharon had been serving on his ship for 2 years.
**There will be a mid-season break between episodes 10 and 11. However it will not be as long as the hiatus between "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]": while that mid-season break lasted 4 months, this mid-season 3 break will last 1 month.
**Episodes 5 and 6 are a two-part story in which ''Galactica'' discovers a dying Cylon Baseship, and deals with a plague that has befallen the Cylons.
**Episode 8 will be a flashback episode dealing with events that transpired during the "One Year Later" time-jump. Grace Park has previously revealed the name of this flashback episode (though not the airing order) in another interview: its current title is "[[Unfinished Business]]".
**Episode 9 is not quite a standalone, not quite an arc episode: it sets up/leads into the mid-season finale in episode 10 (similar to how "[[Colonial Day]]" led up to "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" in Season 1, "[[Downloaded]]" led up to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and (to an extent) "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" introduced elements for "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). }
***In a blog entry<ref name="blog20060727">[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/#a001019 Ronald Moore's blog entry for July 27th, 2006]</ref>, [[Ronald Moore]] describes this episode entitled "The Passage", has "a harrowing voyage of the rag-tag fleet and focuses on Kat."
**The mid-season cliffhanger story, spanning episodes 10 and 11, will center on "discovering the next big clue on the road to Earth".
*A [[Season 3]] teaser was shown during the premiere of [http://www.scifi.com/eureka/ Eureka] on Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday, July 18. Details are [[User:Gougef/Season 3 Teaser | here]].
**It was the same trailer screened at MTR on June 2nd, however there were noticeable tweaks. To see a ''BattlestarWiki'' user's first hand report on the trailer from MTR, see [[User talk:The Merovingian#BattlestarWiki Roving Reporter|this page]].

*According to Edward James Olmos at the 2006 Comic-Con<ref>{{cite web|url=http://media33b.libsyn.com/m3dteJR2aHjHe5d%2BZXZxpJqtY3aY/podcasts/mb/tmbs-060722-sdcc_bsg.mov |title=Comic-Con 2006 |format=VID }}</ref> BSG panel, the Colonials will spread this virus throughout the Cylon fleet, causing a pandemic (paralleling real world current fears of the [[Wikipedia:H5N1|Avian Flu]]), in payback against the Cylons. Olmos also said that by the middle of Season 3 (which was at the time in the middle of filming) the total human [[Survivor Count]] has shrunk from over 49,000 pre-"[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" to roughly 38,000. At least several thousand must have died in the nuking of [[Cloud 9]] by [[Gina]], and presumably there are more casualties to come on New Caprica.
*Roslin returns to the presidency.<ref name="blog20060727"/>
*In the October 2006 edition of ''SciFi'', the official magazine of the SciFi Channel, a photograph shows Starbuck and the cylon Leoben Conoy having dinner together, as well as Adm. Adama meeting with Kat, Dualla, and an unknown bald black man in Adama's quarters. (The unknown man looks suspiciously like Simon, one of the known Cylon models.) Also, another photo shows cylon agents Sharon, Caval, D'anna and Simon looking on as Doral holds a pistol to Baltar's head inside Colonial One.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Galactica Crew Guide]] page.''

==Episodes==
: ''To view the list of episodes, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Episode Guide#Season 3: October 2006|Battlestar Galactica Episode Guide]] page.''

== Official Statements ==

*An official notice of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

::SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in '''April 2006'''.<ref>{{cite press release|url=http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 |title=Galactica Returns In Fall |website=SciFi.com | date=2006-03-09 }}</ref>

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 26, 2006]) ===

* '''Regarding [[William Adama]] and the reduction of the Colonial military:'''

: '' "What happened to Adama in the season finale to change him so much? Why would a man who spent decades of his adult life standing watch for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] return suddenly give in and allow the military to stand down? How could he convince himself that the Cylons weren't coming back after 1 year when the last time they waited 40 years? He knew settlement was wrong so why didn't he offer any resistance? "''

: I think people have a remarkable ability to convince themselves of just about anything. Adama, like everyone else in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], had been constantly on the run, constantly under stress, and constantly in danger of losing his life for months on end, with virtually no break from the metal walls surrounding him day in and day out. When, finally, the people decided to end the long sojourn and settle on [[New Caprica]], he had little choice but to comply with the results of a democratic election which hinged on that very question. And as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, people began to relax, to believe that maybe they had really turned a corner, had really found a place to lay down their burdens and start a new life. Adama was just as vulnerable to that attractive idea as anyone else, and as the men and women under him began to clamor for a new life, as the political leadership of New Caprica began to demand more and more military resources to support the civilian population, there came the point where Adama began to believe in the mirage too. He's not perfect. He never was. He couldn't bring himself to leave his ship, but as age and fatigue began to set in, he started to let down his guard just a little -- not all at once and never completely, but just enough.

: There were also practical considerations. He was entirely alone out here. No Admiralty to call for reinforcements or intelligence, no Justice Ministry to prosecute soldiers who simply never came back from the surface of [[New Caprica]], and no friendly ear in the office of the president to get needed resources for the military ships maintaining their lonely vigil up in orbit. He was alone and he was tired. It's almost as simple as that.

: I remember one of my most vivid memories from the immediate post 9/11 period was opening up the newspaper and reading about a physical confrontation in the streets between members of the New York police department and the New York fire department. It was heartbreaking, it was infuriating and it was illuminating. People are people. Enormous events happen, history pivots around us and we tell ourselves that everything has changed, that we're irrevocably different from this day forward -- until the next time everything changes. Adama made a mistake. They all did. And as he is wont to say, they will all have to live with it.

* '''Concerning [[Lee Adama]]'s changes:'''

: ''"What is up with the pudgified Apollo? Too much chunky munky B&J?"''

: We're going to hint at some of the reasons for Lee's physical, er... changes in the first few episodes, then deal with it in more detail later. Overall, we're going to be hinting at a lot of things that happened in the intervening year over the first few episodes, then do more stuff with it later, as the season progresses.

* '''Regarding [[Saul Tigh]]'s role in season three:'''

: Anyway, I think you'll be happy to know that we've got some real meaty stuff planned for the Colonel in the first few episodes. I also felt that we didn't use Tigh as effectively in the later part of [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]], and I was eager to get him back into the thick of things. He's got a sizable role in the initial episodes, and there are some enormous changes and shocks coming for his character next season.

* '''Regarding the role of [[Tom Zarek]]:'''

: ''"What happened to Zarek? Given his help getting [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] elected, I would have expected him to have recieved a pretty nice 'reward', perhaps as VP? Did Baltar even have a VP? We never see Zarek post-election or a year later on [[New Caprica]]. Given Zarak's penchant for political mayhem, I would think that his fate would be one of significant interest. Perhaps we will see this early in Season 3? "''

:You will be seeing Zarek again and early in the season. He was the Vice President, but his relationship with Baltar went south relatively quickly, and he simply refused to cooperate once the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation began.

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"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 Episode Titles: I would't consider tv.com an official source. Isn't it a wiki-style site where fans enter the info? --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 09:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
:Exactly. It's sort of a poor man's wiki: like IMDB, it relies on fan-submissions; it's not a "news source" like say, TV Guide Magazine. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:37, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::Why I didn't think about that? You are right. Black Market-Scar-Sacrifice was a series of crap episodes, (well, Scar was not that crap, but I didn't like it) but startnig with ''[[The Captain's Hand]]'' they made excellent quality of episodes again. If this is the cost for making good episodes, then I can wait a few more months. --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 05:23, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you should have held off on removing individuals' ranks because mostlikely because of their circumstances, ex-militaries would retain their title and rank after leaving the service much as was done in the American South for centuries. I plantation owner would be called Colonel because when he was younger he served in the army or militia as that rank even though he's been retired from duty for decades. In the colonial case, since as we see, there's always the chance of a cylon return, they'd probably maintain their last rank in the case of being called back into service. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 15 March 2006 (MST)

== Hero ==
Should there be a new page created for the the so-called episode "Hero" spoiled by David Eick during his interview on iFMagazine? He talked about a script relating to "a revelation about something truly egregious and illegal that Adama was guilty of doing during the days leading up to the attack, and how he has kept the revelation of that incident from rearing it’s head." There seems to be enough to start an episode page but he didn't say which episode it will be, whether it's one of the 1st 3 "trilogy", right after that, or later in the season. But he did in fact elude to it so I think it should be documented. I don't know. I thought maybe one of the more BSG Wiki Gurus could have a better idea of how to handle this. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 12 May 2006 (MST)
: As long as it comes from info cited by Eick himself, we're fine with that. What I would do is not worry about where the episode is placed in the chronology, and create the page. When more facts reveal themselves later on, we can worry about where exactly this piece of the puzzle should go, which is a minor detail in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::the order can always be fixed later. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:43, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

== Additional episodes of Season 3 ==

I may have found legitimate verification of the titles "Collaborators" and "Torn" for episodes 4 and 5 of season 3. On the website www.sidesexpress.com(this site is for Agents and Managers), a subsite for a staffing company called The Go Between, Inc., website http://www.gobetween.com/, and it looks like looking for casting for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #304 Collaborators, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #305 Torn. The site requires a password that I don't know how to get to go beyond this point for details but it is reasonable to say that these are official, if possibly not perminent, names for these episodes. Then again, on the page for Actors, www.showfax.com, they don't have links for those episodes that would list roles that are being cast for. I found a few names of characters for Stargate Atlantis & SG-1 among others being cast for specific episodes on this page but not for BSG. So further information on these episodes other than the names, I haven't found anything on this site. The only thing is: this should be enough verification to create pages, or page placeholders, with these names for these episodes. Opinions? --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:22, 2 June 2006 (PST)
:For the path from www.sidesexpress, you have to select Vancouver, then episodes and you will see the episode names, but here's the end web address: http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?task=pname&locid=5&pt=1 --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:29, 2 June 2006 (PST)
::Our curent spoiiler policy is that unless Ron Moore, one of the writers, crew, or any of the cast members say it, it is not "confirmed". They've been known to shift around episodes and change names months in advance. Officially on BattlestarWiki, casting side excerpts are *not* a reliable source nor one that we use; I mean if you've seen some of the other sides, such as those for Pegasus or Resistance, HALF of the episode is completely rewritten between side form and the final script. You dont' get the "script" from those places you linked above; it's just a rough idea and the real episode might be nothing like that. So we don't use them. Please look over our Standards and Conventions page on the subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:07, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

== Museum of Television and Radio Spoilers ==

Have many of you heard of the event that happened last week at the Museum of Television and Radio involving viewings of BSG? Well, apparently RDM and D Eick also showed a Teaser for Season 3 that, for the most part, showed known information and, from what I've heard, scenes that don't provide usable material. However, there is apparently one quick scene from th Teaser that Ausiello from TVGuide.com described like this: "we saw some guy introducing a baby to Starbuck saying, 'This is your mother.'" This is a big tease! I think those who follow the show intently would surmize that this ties into the Missing Ovaries storyline as well as the Leobon Conoy Interigation storyline, ie., cylons using Kara's stolen ovaries to create a baby successfully with the help of Leobon Conoy. Here's the big thing: Is this enough info to stick in the Season 3 page, Kara Thrace's page, or any other page? What of this information can we use? I know I speculate too too much. And are the minor gods of this website going to accept this slightly hearsay information enough to use? I am fearful to start adding this stuff myself - low-self-asteem :( - lest somebody remove that quickly cuz it doesn't meet conventions. However, hearsay as it might be, it does come directly from RDM & Eick ...If the info is correct... --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 11:38, 14 June 2006 (PST)

:Guys...you might not habitually check out my Talk page, but I was *at* MTR: If you check the video, I was the first fan asking a question (better than that Jamie Bambar question I should think, and a bit predictable given that at BattlestarWiki I obsess over minor characters and actually care that we find the accurate spelling of Racetrack's name, etc.): Check out the Roving Reporter stuff on my talk page: [[User_talk:The_Merovingian#BattlestarWiki_Roving_Reporter]] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Now Playing Magazine Spoilers==

Divid Eick talked about the upcoming Season 3 episode in this interview[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 15:25, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:I just finished a massive round of updates on this, about an hour ago. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

== BSG Teaser on Eureka ==

Is the same one as the one at MTR? I think that I saw a Boomer with Anders and some rebels when I slowed it down. I have it on DVR if anyone wants me to look at something. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:It was slightly expanded from the MTR thing I remember, but essentially the same thing. Perhaps I forgot some stuff in my excitement at the time, but I seriously think it's the same thing, just with a few "tweaks" of inserted new footage: for example I remember no Cally-related footage in the original, but she's in several shots of this one doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Think a write up is in order or are clips too interpretive? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::For sure. This for sure good stuff. I just saw it on Eureka "repeat". '''Wow.''' Really cool! Pumped up for this third season. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:27, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well it's really not that different from the "MTR trailer report" I have in there already, but maybe we could tack something onto that (you know, rather than a new section; I'll do it). ******'''MAJOR DIFFERENCE'''******* In the MTR version of this trailer that I saw, '''Caprica-Six got shot in the forehead'''. We don't actually see who shot her (Three? Baltar? Galactica-Boomer?). They've been saying that "a Cylon character will permanently die", and as this obviously couldn't mean losing an entire "model series", it probably means that Caprica-Six is going to die, and not be reborn. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:02, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'll have it MPEG'd and put on my ftp server in about 3 hours. If anyone wants access, email michael.beardsworth@-nospam-gmail.com--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Plot Points ==
Any problem with me in the next few days condensing the plot points to statements and putting the links in references at the bottom of the article? For example, condense the first point to something like, "The first episode picks up four months after LDYB II." and put the reference in the Reference section. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:52, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==It's Official==
An entire Cylon Model is going to bite the dust. It was confirmed directly from RDM's mouth at the Comic-Con. Here are the words:

'''"There's a model that will be discontinued, or boxed. And it's someone you know."''' -RDM

It's part 1 of the Video, and you can find it in YouTube --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:00, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

I've been watching: apparently it will happen in late Season 3. Anyone else leaning for the "Last Sharon" Theory? More updates as I get them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:28, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Strictly from a production standpoint, Number 3 or Brother Cavel would make a lot of sense. However, I like the idea of the "Last" Sharon. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 04:41, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's going to be Cavil (Does he even have a number yet?). Also I don't see them killing off a princible character like Sharon. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Definitely a Three. But RDM has used 'model' in the singular (to mean one copy) before, such as in the Downloaded podcast, so this does not mean an entire series bites the dust. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:36, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I don't think that RDM is going to kill off a model simply because it's easy production-wise, ie, Cavil or Three. There's a strong possibility that the model killed off is Eight leaving Sharon on Galactica as the only surviving one. My argument: 1, already Caprica-Sharon is the only cylon to openly betray the cylon cause. 2, Galactica-Sharon isn't buying into the cylon cause. 3, The number Six model more than once has shown disapproval of the Number Eight model -- In season one she showed anger/jealousy over Caprica-Sharon's feelings for Helo and Baltar-Six's saying that the baby is something she's hardly worth deserving of. The implecation is that it's more suspectable to human feelings/behavior not consistent with the cylon cause. 4, the RDM crew like to do things to heighten the tension, make the viewers more concerned about what the outcome will be, destroy your hopes before you become to happy and comfortable. Eight is the most-beloved cylon among BSG fans so I wouldn't put it past the RDM crew to kill the model. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::If they kill off Grace i might actually cry, shes much prettier than Tricia Helfer :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:22, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

== Olmos' Population Comments at Comic-Con ==

I question whether Edward James Olmos' comments at Comic-Con about the human population are really that telling or helpful. I certainly don't know if it portends that "heavy causalities" on New Caprica are in the offing, as is now written. Remember the population of New Caprica at the end of Season 2 was 39,192. That doesn't count those who are in space. Adama told Tigh that "more than half the crew (of Galactica)" was already on the surface. In the pilot, Tyrol said there were two thousand people on Galactica (he told Leobon that). That means less than a thousand are left on Galactica. Presumably, there are several hundred (at least) left in the rest of the fleet. And we don't know how many were lost in the nuking of Cloud Nine and surrounding ships, though we do know that there were probably a lot of people on Cloud Nine. It's recreational housing seemed to have become living space for a lot of people who didn't have places elsewhere or who were looking for the best accommodations.

Anyway, if you play with those variables, you can see that it wouldn't take huge losses on New Caprica to get the total human population down to 38,000, as Olmos said.

Personally, it seems to me that the numbers don't make sense. There seem to be TOO MANY people left after the nuking of Cloud Nine. That's another reason why the "heavy causalities" comment makes no sense. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:40, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would consider it plausible if the nuking of Cloud 9 killed 1,000 people. It could have killed 5,000. It may have killed 10,000. But that entire range I consider "plausible". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

::I fully agree with Merv here. It's useless to guess at the effective blast radius. On one hand, there's nothing to stop the blast except ships; on the other, shock waves don't travel through vacuums, and the simplest statistic to measure the effects of the radiant effects, energy per unit of area, would obey an inverse square law. In any case, we don't know the strength of the warhead. It's useless to guess at how many ships would be within the radius. There's no way to know the standard gap between ships in the fleet (or if they even have a set formation at all). It's dubious to guess which ships were inside the effective blast radius, even given magical knowledge of that distance. It's dubious to guess at the complements of those ships. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 05:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You guys miss my point. I'm not talking about the blast radius or destruction wrecked by the nuking of Cloud Nine. I am talking about the conclusion that to get to 38,000, "presumably there are heavy casualties to come on New Caprica," as the article now states. Do the math: approx. 49,000, minus at least 3,000 left on the fleet, minus at least 3,000 killed on Cloud Nine, equals 43,000. (That's using numbers on the low end.) 43,000 ---> 38,000 involves a loss of 5,000. That's really the MOST that could be lost in "the battle for New Caprica." I know these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but it must seem clear even to you guys that "heavy casualities" is not a safe conclusion. It seems more likely that several hundred or a couple of thousand will be lost. Now you can argue if those figures amount to "heavy casualites" considering the number of humans left, but that does not appear to be your point. I thought we were going for conservative statements, which are logical and verifiable, not wild speculation. If that is true, then I propose that the "heavy casualites" comment be removed. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:26, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

==SFX Magazine==

Does any one have access to the September edition of SFX Magazine? There is an interview with Grace Park that as some exciting revelations in it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:31, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:I heard of this SFX magazine myself. Supposdely, she said that Helo and Sharon are or get married, and she is flying Raptors again. However I have no confirmation whatsoever, and no scans of this or a reliable report. Need someone we know to acquire one of these SFX Magazines, but they're only in Britain. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::Grumbles, I might get it if i see it but i generally dont like reading spoilers :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I have it, and read it. It disprovves some of our stuff and there is some stuff. I might just end of scanning the entire thing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:20, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will get to posting some of the stuff up hopefully later tonight, before I have to leave for VA tomorrow. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Taking a Break..."==

I e-mailed Gateworld to confirm this or say how they got it but they never e-mailed me back. That is, I didn't know if they just used "Taking a Break" as a monicker for the mid-season hiatus. The stuff they have on it seems similar to an unconfirmed report on livejournal which sounded like fanon, so I dunno. I hope they e-mail me back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==Regarding the episode numbering==
On the [[List of Episodes]] page it shows the episodes as...
*3.01 Occupation
*3.01.5 Precipice
*3.02 Exodus, Part I
*3.03 Exodus, Part II
And so on... Surely just because Precipice follows Occupation doesnt means its 3.015? Thery might not air back to back in other countries and thus should still be 3.01 and 3.02. Exodus pt I would be 3.03. If anyone one else can tell me why this should be otherwise please post here. Ill put this on my watchlist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:01, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I did the 3.01.5. We will for sure change it when we get the offical nunmber off the podcast. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:42, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well in the latest [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/ RDM blog entry] he says that they are "filming episodes 10 & 11, our mid-season cliffhanger episodes". He also goes on to say that there will be 19 episodes in total and that he counts Exodus, Part I and II as one in the production schedule. The clincher is when he says "we've taken what was to be episode 3, 'Exodus'..." so that would imply that Exodus p1 is 3.03. Understand?... lol its a bit confusing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see what all of the confusion is about: Bradley Thompson explicitly layed this out for us in Official Communiques. Both "Occupation" and "Precipice" are "Episode 1", making Precipice "Episode 1.5". I even said "wouldn't that make "Exodus, Part I" "Episode 3" and he said "no, that's episode 2" (paraphrase). He said under no circumstances to count Precipice as episode 2. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 08:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

==Citations==
There are a couple of citations to Ronald Moore's blog here, but the link is just to the blog and not a permalink. I checked his blog and couldn't find the referenced information. if anyone finds it, could you get a permalink and replace it in the article? thanks. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:08, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
:I fixed it. Both references were to the most recent entry. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:45, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

==Starbuck's Tattoo==
I must say, there is nothing in the Scifi Magazine Article that states in any way/shape/form that the tattoo on Kattee's upper left arm has anything to do with the Cylon Occupations.

We do, however, know that the tattoo in her left upper arm (the one referred to) is actually a "wedding tattoo" that she and Anders got when they got married.

So I'm saying we remove this unless the user who placed it in the article has more proof, but I doubt it since it would conflict with direct words from the actress herself. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:16, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

:Katee Sackhoff has repeatedly stated, even in a video like that TVGuide thing, that it is a "wedding tatoo". Speculation was wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cite Templtes ==

Article needs to be updated using the cite templates. [[BW:CITETEM]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Why No Photos? ==

We have in our possession several photos and screen captures from Season 3. We should be posting these online. Even though exact descriptions of the events depicted are not always available, this data is no more speculative than vague or cryptic pronouncements from the producers on their blogs, or unpremeditated slips of the tongue from actors. In fact, in many ways, they are more concrete and credible; we are seeing actual shot footage of actors in dramatic situations, often from the SciFi Channel itself. There is a lot of information to be gleaned from these photographs, and it is no less "conclusive" than what we get from some of our other sources who we regularly publish.

If we don't want to get into the business of speculating ourselves about the photos, why not establish a Season 3 "gallery" of photos and screen caps with minimal and obvious identifications (e.g., Starbuck and Leoben Conoy having dinner) and leave to others to draw conclusions about the specific dramatic circumstances? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:15, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Season 3 (2006-07)/Archive 1

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"And so, it begins..." --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:29, 20 November 2005 (EST)

"I have a source the episode,"lay down your burdens", it says there that Adama will still be an Admiral by the end of thr season as well as everyone else." --[[User:Destinymaker|Destinymaker]] 22 November 2005 (CST)

:Should have stated that clearly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:28, 21 November 2005 (EST)

Anyone know yet when the third season will start? (How long will we have to wait after the season finale before we get our BSG fix again?) --[[User:Gallanosa|Gallanosa]] 20:52, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:It's usually in July (I think last year it was on July 20, so I'd guess the 21st for this year.) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 21:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::An official source, I forget who it is now, said that season 3 will air beginning in October
::It came from [http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/03/igalacticaisetforoctoberse.shtml GateWorld]. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:07, 9 March 2006 (CST)
:::SciFi Wire, technically. Gateworld just dualled it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Season 3 Episode Titles: I would't consider tv.com an official source. Isn't it a wiki-style site where fans enter the info? --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 09:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
:Exactly. It's sort of a poor man's wiki: like IMDB, it relies on fan-submissions; it's not a "news source" like say, TV Guide Magazine. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:37, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

== October Start ==

The frak (excuse me for the word) they delay the show for October?! Anyone knows some information? I'm really upset about it. REALLY. Especially, after I saw [[Lay Down Your Burdens, part II]]...
--[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 12:48, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:The answer is simple (and indeed, obvious): "[[Black Market]]". Black Market is the worst. episode. ever of Battlestar Galactica, and the saving grace is that Ron himself said "I think this episode is bad and I'm ashamed that we made it"....which, might I add, is more than those jackasses at Voyager and Enterprise ever did for us! They insisted that the crap they were shoveling at us was great television.---But I digress. The point is, season one was 13 episodes long (it's a standard-length "trial season") but for season 2 they got picked up for 20 episodes (full season length for a Scifi Channel show, like the Stargates). Ron Moore basically admitted in his blog that they got really pressed for time because of the extra episodes, had to do Black Market in a hurry, and ended up with a peace of crap. The editing is bad, the dialog is wooden, etc. etc. ("[[Sacrifice]]" wasn't too great either, but I think that's just a result of being a show that had to serve the purpose of killing Billy off, and it was well executed nonetheless).------------>So basically, the running theory is that they're taking longer to make season 3....'''so they can do a better job, and never have a bad episode like "Black Market" again, and instead have the movie-quality episodes that proliferated in Season 1 and Season 2.0'''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:10, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::Why I didn't think about that? You are right. Black Market-Scar-Sacrifice was a series of crap episodes, (well, Scar was not that crap, but I didn't like it) but startnig with ''[[The Captain's Hand]]'' they made excellent quality of episodes again. If this is the cost for making good episodes, then I can wait a few more months. --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 05:23, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Ranks/Ceremonials ==
I went through and fixed most of the ranks and ceremonial titles for Season 3. There were a few I left, but for many of them I simply removed the rank altogether for people on New Caprica, since it's no known if they're still active military personnel or not. One exception was Starbuck, because Tyrol specifically addresses her by her rank at the end of LDYB Part II. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:14, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:I think you should have held off on removing individuals' ranks because mostlikely because of their circumstances, ex-militaries would retain their title and rank after leaving the service much as was done in the American South for centuries. I plantation owner would be called Colonel because when he was younger he served in the army or militia as that rank even though he's been retired from duty for decades. In the colonial case, since as we see, there's always the chance of a cylon return, they'd probably maintain their last rank in the case of being called back into service. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 15 March 2006 (MST)

== Hero ==
Should there be a new page created for the the so-called episode "Hero" spoiled by David Eick during his interview on iFMagazine? He talked about a script relating to "a revelation about something truly egregious and illegal that Adama was guilty of doing during the days leading up to the attack, and how he has kept the revelation of that incident from rearing it’s head." There seems to be enough to start an episode page but he didn't say which episode it will be, whether it's one of the 1st 3 "trilogy", right after that, or later in the season. But he did in fact elude to it so I think it should be documented. I don't know. I thought maybe one of the more BSG Wiki Gurus could have a better idea of how to handle this. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:01, 12 May 2006 (MST)
: As long as it comes from info cited by Eick himself, we're fine with that. What I would do is not worry about where the episode is placed in the chronology, and create the page. When more facts reveal themselves later on, we can worry about where exactly this piece of the puzzle should go, which is a minor detail in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
::the order can always be fixed later. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:43, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

== Additional episodes of Season 3 ==

I may have found legitimate verification of the titles "Collaborators" and "Torn" for episodes 4 and 5 of season 3. On the website www.sidesexpress.com(this site is for Agents and Managers), a subsite for a staffing company called The Go Between, Inc., website http://www.gobetween.com/, and it looks like looking for casting for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #304 Collaborators, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, #305 Torn. The site requires a password that I don't know how to get to go beyond this point for details but it is reasonable to say that these are official, if possibly not perminent, names for these episodes. Then again, on the page for Actors, www.showfax.com, they don't have links for those episodes that would list roles that are being cast for. I found a few names of characters for Stargate Atlantis & SG-1 among others being cast for specific episodes on this page but not for BSG. So further information on these episodes other than the names, I haven't found anything on this site. The only thing is: this should be enough verification to create pages, or page placeholders, with these names for these episodes. Opinions? --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:22, 2 June 2006 (PST)
:For the path from www.sidesexpress, you have to select Vancouver, then episodes and you will see the episode names, but here's the end web address: http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?task=pname&locid=5&pt=1 --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 09:29, 2 June 2006 (PST)
::Our curent spoiiler policy is that unless Ron Moore, one of the writers, crew, or any of the cast members say it, it is not "confirmed". They've been known to shift around episodes and change names months in advance. Officially on BattlestarWiki, casting side excerpts are *not* a reliable source nor one that we use; I mean if you've seen some of the other sides, such as those for Pegasus or Resistance, HALF of the episode is completely rewritten between side form and the final script. You dont' get the "script" from those places you linked above; it's just a rough idea and the real episode might be nothing like that. So we don't use them. Please look over our Standards and Conventions page on the subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:07, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

== Museum of Television and Radio Spoilers ==

Have many of you heard of the event that happened last week at the Museum of Television and Radio involving viewings of BSG? Well, apparently RDM and D Eick also showed a Teaser for Season 3 that, for the most part, showed known information and, from what I've heard, scenes that don't provide usable material. However, there is apparently one quick scene from th Teaser that Ausiello from TVGuide.com described like this: "we saw some guy introducing a baby to Starbuck saying, 'This is your mother.'" This is a big tease! I think those who follow the show intently would surmize that this ties into the Missing Ovaries storyline as well as the Leobon Conoy Interigation storyline, ie., cylons using Kara's stolen ovaries to create a baby successfully with the help of Leobon Conoy. Here's the big thing: Is this enough info to stick in the Season 3 page, Kara Thrace's page, or any other page? What of this information can we use? I know I speculate too too much. And are the minor gods of this website going to accept this slightly hearsay information enough to use? I am fearful to start adding this stuff myself - low-self-asteem :( - lest somebody remove that quickly cuz it doesn't meet conventions. However, hearsay as it might be, it does come directly from RDM & Eick ...If the info is correct... --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 11:38, 14 June 2006 (PST)

:Guys...you might not habitually check out my Talk page, but I was *at* MTR: If you check the video, I was the first fan asking a question (better than that Jamie Bambar question I should think, and a bit predictable given that at BattlestarWiki I obsess over minor characters and actually care that we find the accurate spelling of Racetrack's name, etc.): Check out the Roving Reporter stuff on my talk page: [[User_talk:The_Merovingian#BattlestarWiki_Roving_Reporter]] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==Now Playing Magazine Spoilers==

Divid Eick talked about the upcoming Season 3 episode in this interview[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 15:25, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:I just finished a massive round of updates on this, about an hour ago. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

== BSG Teaser on Eureka ==

Is the same one as the one at MTR? I think that I saw a Boomer with Anders and some rebels when I slowed it down. I have it on DVR if anyone wants me to look at something. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:It was slightly expanded from the MTR thing I remember, but essentially the same thing. Perhaps I forgot some stuff in my excitement at the time, but I seriously think it's the same thing, just with a few "tweaks" of inserted new footage: for example I remember no Cally-related footage in the original, but she's in several shots of this one doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Think a write up is in order or are clips too interpretive? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::For sure. This for sure good stuff. I just saw it on Eureka "repeat". '''Wow.''' Really cool! Pumped up for this third season. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:27, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well it's really not that different from the "MTR trailer report" I have in there already, but maybe we could tack something onto that (you know, rather than a new section; I'll do it). ******'''MAJOR DIFFERENCE'''******* In the MTR version of this trailer that I saw, '''Caprica-Six got shot in the forehead'''. We don't actually see who shot her (Three? Baltar? Galactica-Boomer?). They've been saying that "a Cylon character will permanently die", and as this obviously couldn't mean losing an entire "model series", it probably means that Caprica-Six is going to die, and not be reborn. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:02, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'll have it MPEG'd and put on my ftp server in about 3 hours. If anyone wants access, email michael.beardsworth@-nospam-gmail.com--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Plot Points ==
Any problem with me in the next few days condensing the plot points to statements and putting the links in references at the bottom of the article? For example, condense the first point to something like, "The first episode picks up four months after LDYB II." and put the reference in the Reference section. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:52, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==It's Official==
An entire Cylon Model is going to bite the dust. It was confirmed directly from RDM's mouth at the Comic-Con. Here are the words:

'''"There's a model that will be discontinued, or boxed. And it's someone you know."''' -RDM

It's part 1 of the Video, and you can find it in YouTube --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:00, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

I've been watching: apparently it will happen in late Season 3. Anyone else leaning for the "Last Sharon" Theory? More updates as I get them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:28, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

:Strictly from a production standpoint, Number 3 or Brother Cavel would make a lot of sense. However, I like the idea of the "Last" Sharon. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 04:41, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's going to be Cavil (Does he even have a number yet?). Also I don't see them killing off a princible character like Sharon. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Definitely a Three. But RDM has used 'model' in the singular (to mean one copy) before, such as in the Downloaded podcast, so this does not mean an entire series bites the dust. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:36, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I don't think that RDM is going to kill off a model simply because it's easy production-wise, ie, Cavil or Three. There's a strong possibility that the model killed off is Eight leaving Sharon on Galactica as the only surviving one. My argument: 1, already Caprica-Sharon is the only cylon to openly betray the cylon cause. 2, Galactica-Sharon isn't buying into the cylon cause. 3, The number Six model more than once has shown disapproval of the Number Eight model -- In season one she showed anger/jealousy over Caprica-Sharon's feelings for Helo and Baltar-Six's saying that the baby is something she's hardly worth deserving of. The implecation is that it's more suspectable to human feelings/behavior not consistent with the cylon cause. 4, the RDM crew like to do things to heighten the tension, make the viewers more concerned about what the outcome will be, destroy your hopes before you become to happy and comfortable. Eight is the most-beloved cylon among BSG fans so I wouldn't put it past the RDM crew to kill the model. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 08:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::If they kill off Grace i might actually cry, shes much prettier than Tricia Helfer :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:22, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

== Olmos' Population Comments at Comic-Con ==

I question whether Edward James Olmos' comments at Comic-Con about the human population are really that telling or helpful. I certainly don't know if it portends that "heavy causalities" on New Caprica are in the offing, as is now written. Remember the population of New Caprica at the end of Season 2 was 39,192. That doesn't count those who are in space. Adama told Tigh that "more than half the crew (of Galactica)" was already on the surface. In the pilot, Tyrol said there were two thousand people on Galactica (he told Leobon that). That means less than a thousand are left on Galactica. Presumably, there are several hundred (at least) left in the rest of the fleet. And we don't know how many were lost in the nuking of Cloud Nine and surrounding ships, though we do know that there were probably a lot of people on Cloud Nine. It's recreational housing seemed to have become living space for a lot of people who didn't have places elsewhere or who were looking for the best accommodations.

Anyway, if you play with those variables, you can see that it wouldn't take huge losses on New Caprica to get the total human population down to 38,000, as Olmos said.

Personally, it seems to me that the numbers don't make sense. There seem to be TOO MANY people left after the nuking of Cloud Nine. That's another reason why the "heavy causalities" comment makes no sense. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:40, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:I would consider it plausible if the nuking of Cloud 9 killed 1,000 people. It could have killed 5,000. It may have killed 10,000. But that entire range I consider "plausible". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

::I fully agree with Merv here. It's useless to guess at the effective blast radius. On one hand, there's nothing to stop the blast except ships; on the other, shock waves don't travel through vacuums, and the simplest statistic to measure the effects of the radiant effects, energy per unit of area, would obey an inverse square law. In any case, we don't know the strength of the warhead. It's useless to guess at how many ships would be within the radius. There's no way to know the standard gap between ships in the fleet (or if they even have a set formation at all). It's dubious to guess which ships were inside the effective blast radius, even given magical knowledge of that distance. It's dubious to guess at the complements of those ships. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 05:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You guys miss my point. I'm not talking about the blast radius or destruction wrecked by the nuking of Cloud Nine. I am talking about the conclusion that to get to 38,000, "presumably there are heavy casualties to come on New Caprica," as the article now states. Do the math: approx. 49,000, minus at least 3,000 left on the fleet, minus at least 3,000 killed on Cloud Nine, equals 43,000. (That's using numbers on the low end.) 43,000 ---> 38,000 involves a loss of 5,000. That's really the MOST that could be lost in "the battle for New Caprica." I know these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but it must seem clear even to you guys that "heavy casualities" is not a safe conclusion. It seems more likely that several hundred or a couple of thousand will be lost. Now you can argue if those figures amount to "heavy casualites" considering the number of humans left, but that does not appear to be your point. I thought we were going for conservative statements, which are logical and verifiable, not wild speculation. If that is true, then I propose that the "heavy casualites" comment be removed. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:26, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

==SFX Magazine==

Does any one have access to the September edition of SFX Magazine? There is an interview with Grace Park that as some exciting revelations in it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:31, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:I heard of this SFX magazine myself. Supposdely, she said that Helo and Sharon are or get married, and she is flying Raptors again. However I have no confirmation whatsoever, and no scans of this or a reliable report. Need someone we know to acquire one of these SFX Magazines, but they're only in Britain. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::Grumbles, I might get it if i see it but i generally dont like reading spoilers :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I have it, and read it. It disprovves some of our stuff and there is some stuff. I might just end of scanning the entire thing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:20, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I will get to posting some of the stuff up hopefully later tonight, before I have to leave for VA tomorrow. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:21, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Taking a Break..."==

I e-mailed Gateworld to confirm this or say how they got it but they never e-mailed me back. That is, I didn't know if they just used "Taking a Break" as a monicker for the mid-season hiatus. The stuff they have on it seems similar to an unconfirmed report on livejournal which sounded like fanon, so I dunno. I hope they e-mail me back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==Regarding the episode numbering==
On the [[List of Episodes]] page it shows the episodes as...
*3.01 Occupation
*3.01.5 Precipice
*3.02 Exodus, Part I
*3.03 Exodus, Part II
And so on... Surely just because Precipice follows Occupation doesnt means its 3.015? Thery might not air back to back in other countries and thus should still be 3.01 and 3.02. Exodus pt I would be 3.03. If anyone one else can tell me why this should be otherwise please post here. Ill put this on my watchlist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:01, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I did the 3.01.5. We will for sure change it when we get the offical nunmber off the podcast. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:42, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well in the latest [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/ RDM blog entry] he says that they are "filming episodes 10 & 11, our mid-season cliffhanger episodes". He also goes on to say that there will be 19 episodes in total and that he counts Exodus, Part I and II as one in the production schedule. The clincher is when he says "we've taken what was to be episode 3, 'Exodus'..." so that would imply that Exodus p1 is 3.03. Understand?... lol its a bit confusing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

I don't see what all of the confusion is about: Bradley Thompson explicitly layed this out for us in Official Communiques. Both "Occupation" and "Precipice" are "Episode 1", making Precipice "Episode 1.5". I even said "wouldn't that make "Exodus, Part I" "Episode 3" and he said "no, that's episode 2" (paraphrase). He said under no circumstances to count Precipice as episode 2. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 08:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

==Citations==
There are a couple of citations to Ronald Moore's blog here, but the link is just to the blog and not a permalink. I checked his blog and couldn't find the referenced information. if anyone finds it, could you get a permalink and replace it in the article? thanks. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:08, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
:I fixed it. Both references were to the most recent entry. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:45, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

==Starbuck's Tattoo==
I must say, there is nothing in the Scifi Magazine Article that states in any way/shape/form that the tattoo on Kattee's upper left arm has anything to do with the Cylon Occupations.

We do, however, know that the tattoo in her left upper arm (the one referred to) is actually a "wedding tattoo" that she and Anders got when they got married.

So I'm saying we remove this unless the user who placed it in the article has more proof, but I doubt it since it would conflict with direct words from the actress herself. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:16, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

:Katee Sackhoff has repeatedly stated, even in a video like that TVGuide thing, that it is a "wedding tatoo". Speculation was wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:49, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cite Templtes ==

Article needs to be updated using the cite templates. [[BW:CITETEM]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

== Why No Photos? ==

We have in our possession several photos and screen captures from Season 3. We should be posting these online. Even though exact descriptions of the events depicted are not always available, this data is no more speculative than vague or cryptic pronouncements from the producers on their blogs, or unpremeditated slips of the tongue from actors. In fact, in many ways, they are more concrete and credible; we are seeing actual shot footage of actors in dramatic situations, often from the SciFi Channel itself. There is a lot of information to be gleaned from these photographs, and it is no less "conclusive" than what we get from some of our other sources who regularly publish.

If we don't want to get into the business of speculating ourselves about the photos, why not establish a Season 3 "gallery" of photos and screen caps with minimal and obvious identifications (e.g., Starbuck and Leoben Conoy having dinner) and leave to others to draw conclusions about the specific dramatic circumstances? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 15:15, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

Season 3 (2006-07)

2006-08-29T14:55:38Z

Elach: /* Pivotal Plot Points */

{{spoiler}}

[[Image:Seas3.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Battlestar Galactica Season 3]]
==Summary==

:''Under the occupation of the [[Cylon]]'s rule, and without [[The Fleet]] for protection, the [[Colonials]] stranded on [[New Caprica]] must once again fight for their survival and their freedom.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*The [[Occupation | first episode]] of Season 3 occurs four months after the events of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] with the occupation in full swing.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss |title= Reborn "Galactica" can do battle with the best of sci-fi |date=2006-04-28 |last=Peterson |first=Kim |format= |language=English |publisher=Seattle Times}}</ref>
*The occupation is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]. The Colonial government run by President Baltar is collaborating with the [[Cylons (RDM)]], while other the humans put together a secret resistance against the Cylons. <ref name="now">[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview NowPlayingMagazine Interview with Ron Moore, March 11, 2006]</ref>
*According to [[Lucy Lawless]], who plays [[Number Three]]: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in the first ten Season 3 episodes.<ref>[http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention]</ref>
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of Season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
**There will actually be flashbacks explaining exactly why Apollo gained a lot of weight in the year that passed, why Starbuck and Tigh have mended fences now, and what happened that made Starbuck and Apollo angry at each other (apparently it was more than just her being insensitive when Anders came to ''Galactica'', possibly something more specific than him simply being frustrated that they got married). Lee will stay overweight for about the first 5 episodes.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/]
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". <ref name="now"/>
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc. <ref name="now"/>
*Katee Sackhoff has said in several [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-kateesackhoffbattlestargalacticaseason3secrets,0,6358727.story?coll=zap-rotator-coll interviews] that she has lost a fight with the producers to keep her long hair, and Starbuck's hair will become incredibly short in season 3. Sackhoff said her hair will be "somewhere between Sigourney Weaver in Alien (3) and the pilot ([[Miniseries]])", and "Kind of...like Natalie Portman in "[[Wikipedia:V for Vendetta (film)|V for Vendetta]]" short". Sackhoff goes on to say that her character "goes through a lot of turmoil over the first four episodes, more so than we've ever seen her, the depth of despair that she finds herself in are pretty deep at the end of episode four, and she kind of re-establishes her commitment to the military in episode five which is the haircut" and "sort of like ritualistically, preparing herself to go back on the warpath". (Ron Moore has said that the characters would leave New Caprica by around episode 5, so Sackhoff is probably referring to the point when they leave and she rejoins the military).
**Sackhoff stated in a more recent interview on June 20th that she was able to make a compromise with Ron and David, and in season 3 she will ''not'' have a "V for Vendetta"-style crew cut, but instead the length of her hair will be shorter than it was at the beginning of Season 1 (i.e. in "[[33]]"), but longer than it was during the Miniseries.
*Sackhoff went on to say that "there is another man that comes into her life, and it is a very unlikely man that everyone is going to be so livid over", and which Sackhoff wasn't entirely happy about. She then said "It's Adama", but she appeared to be saying it jokingly to tease the fans. She was probably joking if she meant Admiral William Adama, while Lee "Apollo" Adama doesn't seem very "unlikely" a choice given their history.
*According to a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/#a000525 blog] by Ronald Moore, he states that the relationship between Helo and Boomer will continue, neither Boomer will be killed in Season 3, and a subplot early in Season 3 will involve a [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies|dog]].
*Anders will be alive for at least 7 episodes of season 3, according to news from his [http://www.michaeltrucco.com/index.html website].
*In an [http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1496 interview] with iFMagazine on May 11, 2006, David Eick said "I’m excited about the fact that we will be exploring the interior of a Cylon basestar, and that will include the introduction of the new type of Cylon. I’m excited about the fact that we’re going to have Lucy [Lawless] back. I think it’s going to be exciting for the fans to watch the opening trilogy of episodes, because we’re really falling into the rubric of something for everybody. There will be great philosophical crisis talking place with Baltar [James Callis]. There’s a round-up taking place of human beings becoming a police force, or a Gestapo, for the occupying Cylons. Then there’s an attempt at an escape that will be like THE GREAT ESCAPE, and be a dynamic action episode. There’s a lot of really rich stuff for the opening three. Beyond that point everything is embryonic, and still in development."
*In an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3165&Itemid=0 interview], [[Tahmoh Penikett]] confirms that [[Helo]] is Galactica's XO at the beginning of Season 3.
*In an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/ew0606/index.html article] in the June 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, Tricia Helfer said that one Cylon character will be permanently killed. This is probably [[Caprica-Six]], who was seen shot in the trailer that was screened at MTR (though it is unclear who shoots her).
**According to David Eick in an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/tvguide0706/ article] in TVGuide, the Cylons ''themselves'' will execute the Cylon that permanently dies: "The notion of execution is repulsive to the Cylons...to reach that point with one of their own is a monumental event." This could possibly refer to [[boxing]] (explained in "[[Downloaded]]"): the Cylons feel that they are ethically superior to humans, so they felt that "boxing" a Cylon's consciousness - leaving it in cold storage and never loading it into a new body - was better than execution, even though they're practically the same.
*According to an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] with [[Leah Cairns]] on June 27th, 2006, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] is not trapped on New Caprica, but was on ''Galactica'' when it Jumped away with the Fleet. She mentions that Racetrack appears in episodes 8 and 9, meaning she survives at least that long.
*According to the May 11th, 2006 IF Magazine interview with David Eick, Dualla is indeed married to Lee Adama after the "one year later" leap forward in time. Previously there was only speculation about this fact based on what seemed to be Dualla playing with a ring on her wedding finger during her scene on the Pegasus bridge during the season finale.
*At a [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1833539&page=0&fpart=86&vc=1 convention appearance], [[Jamie Bamber]] said that we will find out in flashbacks what happened between Apollo and Starbuck that caused a rift between them, in episode 8 "[[Unfinished Business]]". This will include a boxing scene in which Apollo and Starbuck beat the hell out of each other.
*An [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/ interview] on July 13, 2006 with executive producer [[David Eick]] revealed much to come in season 3:
**Eick said that episode 7, "[[Hero]], "involves a human POW(likely played by Carl Lumbly of Alias as David Eick mentioned he would be in episode 7) who’s been trapped on the Cylon base ship for the last four years, and when we meet him we realize it’s a great homecoming for him because he was one of Adama’s pilots. But by the middle of the episode you realize the reason why this guy was taken prisoner was because Adama shot his ship down. And it becomes sort of an episode about why such a thing would have happened and how Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies."
***Note: Season 3 will occur roughly 2 years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], so this past action by Adama occurred roughly 2 years before the Cylon attack. This corresponds with the dates that known [[Cylon agent|humanoid Cylon]] infiltration of the Twelve Colonies commenced: [[Caprica-Six]] was in a relationship with Baltar since 2 years before the attack, and Adama said that ''Galactica''-Sharon had been serving on his ship for 2 years.
**There will be a mid-season break between episodes 10 and 11. However it will not be as long as the hiatus between "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]": while that mid-season break lasted 4 months, this mid-season 3 break will last 1 month.
**Episodes 5 and 6 are a two-part story in which ''Galactica'' discovers a dying Cylon Baseship, and deals with a plague that has befallen the Cylons.
**Episode 8 will be a flashback episode dealing with events that transpired during the "One Year Later" time-jump. Grace Park has previously revealed the name of this flashback episode (though not the airing order) in another interview: its current title is "[[Unfinished Business]]".
**Episode 9 is not quite a standalone, not quite an arc episode: it sets up/leads into the mid-season finale in episode 10 (similar to how "[[Colonial Day]]" led up to "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" in Season 1, "[[Downloaded]]" led up to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and (to an extent) "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" introduced elements for "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). }
***In a blog entry<ref name="blog20060727">[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/#a001019 Ronald Moore's blog entry for July 27th, 2006]</ref>, [[Ronald Moore]] describes this episode entitled "The Passage", has "a harrowing voyage of the rag-tag fleet and focuses on Kat."
**The mid-season cliffhanger story, spanning episodes 10 and 11, will center on "discovering the next big clue on the road to Earth".
*A [[Season 3]] teaser was shown during the premiere of [http://www.scifi.com/eureka/ Eureka] on Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday, July 18. Details are [[User:Gougef/Season 3 Teaser | here]].
**It was the same trailer screened at MTR on June 2nd, however there were noticeable tweaks. To see a ''BattlestarWiki'' user's first hand report on the trailer from MTR, see [[User talk:The Merovingian#BattlestarWiki Roving Reporter|this page]].

*According to Edward James Olmos at the 2006 Comic-Con<ref>{{cite web|url=http://media33b.libsyn.com/m3dteJR2aHjHe5d%2BZXZxpJqtY3aY/podcasts/mb/tmbs-060722-sdcc_bsg.mov |title=Comic-Con 2006 |format=VID }}</ref> BSG panel, the Colonials will spread this virus throughout the Cylon fleet, causing a pandemic (paralleling real world current fears of the [[Wikipedia:H5N1|Avian Flu]]), in payback against the Cylons. Olmos also said that by the middle of Season 3 (which was at the time in the middle of filming) the total human [[Survivor Count]] has shrunk from over 49,000 pre-"[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" to roughly 38,000. At least several thousand must have died in the nuking of [[Cloud 9]] by [[Gina]], and presumably there are more casualties to come on New Caprica.
*Roslin returns to the presidency.<ref name="blog20060727"/>
*According to Gateworld.net, the episode after [[Rapture]] is titled [[Taking a Break...]].

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Galactica Crew Guide]] page.''

==Episodes==
: ''To view the list of episodes, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Episode Guide#Season 3: October 2006|Battlestar Galactica Episode Guide]] page.''

== Official Statements ==

*An official notice of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

::SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in '''April 2006'''.<ref>{{cite press release|url=http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 |title=Galactica Returns In Fall |website=SciFi.com | date=2006-03-09 }}</ref>

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 26, 2006]) ===

* '''Regarding [[William Adama]] and the reduction of the Colonial military:'''

: '' "What happened to Adama in the season finale to change him so much? Why would a man who spent decades of his adult life standing watch for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] return suddenly give in and allow the military to stand down? How could he convince himself that the Cylons weren't coming back after 1 year when the last time they waited 40 years? He knew settlement was wrong so why didn't he offer any resistance? "''

: I think people have a remarkable ability to convince themselves of just about anything. Adama, like everyone else in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], had been constantly on the run, constantly under stress, and constantly in danger of losing his life for months on end, with virtually no break from the metal walls surrounding him day in and day out. When, finally, the people decided to end the long sojourn and settle on [[New Caprica]], he had little choice but to comply with the results of a democratic election which hinged on that very question. And as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, people began to relax, to believe that maybe they had really turned a corner, had really found a place to lay down their burdens and start a new life. Adama was just as vulnerable to that attractive idea as anyone else, and as the men and women under him began to clamor for a new life, as the political leadership of New Caprica began to demand more and more military resources to support the civilian population, there came the point where Adama began to believe in the mirage too. He's not perfect. He never was. He couldn't bring himself to leave his ship, but as age and fatigue began to set in, he started to let down his guard just a little -- not all at once and never completely, but just enough.

: There were also practical considerations. He was entirely alone out here. No Admiralty to call for reinforcements or intelligence, no Justice Ministry to prosecute soldiers who simply never came back from the surface of [[New Caprica]], and no friendly ear in the office of the president to get needed resources for the military ships maintaining their lonely vigil up in orbit. He was alone and he was tired. It's almost as simple as that.

: I remember one of my most vivid memories from the immediate post 9/11 period was opening up the newspaper and reading about a physical confrontation in the streets between members of the New York police department and the New York fire department. It was heartbreaking, it was infuriating and it was illuminating. People are people. Enormous events happen, history pivots around us and we tell ourselves that everything has changed, that we're irrevocably different from this day forward -- until the next time everything changes. Adama made a mistake. They all did. And as he is wont to say, they will all have to live with it.

* '''Concerning [[Lee Adama]]'s changes:'''

: ''"What is up with the pudgified Apollo? Too much chunky munky B&J?"''

: We're going to hint at some of the reasons for Lee's physical, er... changes in the first few episodes, then deal with it in more detail later. Overall, we're going to be hinting at a lot of things that happened in the intervening year over the first few episodes, then do more stuff with it later, as the season progresses.

* '''Regarding [[Saul Tigh]]'s role in season three:'''

: Anyway, I think you'll be happy to know that we've got some real meaty stuff planned for the Colonel in the first few episodes. I also felt that we didn't use Tigh as effectively in the later part of [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]], and I was eager to get him back into the thick of things. He's got a sizable role in the initial episodes, and there are some enormous changes and shocks coming for his character next season.

* '''Regarding the role of [[Tom Zarek]]:'''

: ''"What happened to Zarek? Given his help getting [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] elected, I would have expected him to have recieved a pretty nice 'reward', perhaps as VP? Did Baltar even have a VP? We never see Zarek post-election or a year later on [[New Caprica]]. Given Zarak's penchant for political mayhem, I would think that his fate would be one of significant interest. Perhaps we will see this early in Season 3? "''

:You will be seeing Zarek again and early in the season. He was the Vice President, but his relationship with Baltar went south relatively quickly, and he simply refused to cooperate once the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation began.

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 3 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]

Season 3 (2006-07)

2006-08-29T14:50:35Z

Elach: /* Pivotal Plot Points */

{{spoiler}}

[[Image:Seas3.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Battlestar Galactica Season 3]]
==Summary==

:''Under the occupation of the [[Cylon]]'s rule, and without [[The Fleet]] for protection, the [[Colonials]] stranded on [[New Caprica]] must once again fight for their survival and their freedom.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*The [[Occupation | first episode]] of Season 3 occurs four months after the events of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] with the occupation in full swing.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss |title= Reborn "Galactica" can do battle with the best of sci-fi |date=2006-04-28 |last=Peterson |first=Kim |format= |language=English |publisher=Seattle Times}}</ref>
*The occupation is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]. The Colonial government run by President Baltar is collaborating with the [[Cylons (RDM)]], while other the humans put together a secret resistance against the Cylons. <ref name="now">[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview NowPlayingMagazine Interview with Ron Moore, March 11, 2006]</ref>
*According to [[Lucy Lawless]], who plays [[Number Three]]: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in the first ten Season 3 episodes.<ref>[http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention]</ref>
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of Season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
**There will actually be flashbacks explaining exactly why Apollo gained a lot of weight in the year that passed, why Starbuck and Tigh have mended fences now, and what happened that made Starbuck and Apollo angry at each other (apparently it was more than just her being insensitive when Anders came to ''Galactica'', possibly something more specific than him simply being frustrated that they got married). Lee will stay overweight for about the first 5 episodes.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/]
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". <ref name="now"/>
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc. <ref name="now"/>
*Katee Sackhoff has said in several [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-kateesackhoffbattlestargalacticaseason3secrets,0,6358727.story?coll=zap-rotator-coll interviews] that she has lost a fight with the producers to keep her long hair, and Starbuck's hair will become incredibly short in season 3. Sackhoff said her hair will be "somewhere between Sigourney Weaver in Alien (3) and the pilot ([[Miniseries]])", and "Kind of...like Natalie Portman in "[[Wikipedia:V for Vendetta (film)|V for Vendetta]]" short". Sackhoff goes on to say that her character "goes through a lot of turmoil over the first four episodes, more so than we've ever seen her, the depth of despair that she finds herself in are pretty deep at the end of episode four, and she kind of re-establishes her commitment to the military in episode five which is the haircut" and "sort of like ritualistically, preparing herself to go back on the warpath". (Ron Moore has said that the characters would leave New Caprica by around episode 5, so Sackhoff is probably referring to the point when they leave and she rejoins the military).
**Sackhoff stated in a more recent interview on June 20th that she was able to make a compromise with Ron and David, and in season 3 she will ''not'' have a "V for Vendetta"-style crew cut, but instead the length of her hair will be shorter than it was at the beginning of Season 1 (i.e. in "[[33]]"), but longer than it was during the Miniseries.
*Sackhoff went on to say that "there is another man that comes into her life, and it is a very unlikely man that everyone is going to be so livid over", and which Sackhoff wasn't entirely happy about. She then said "It's Adama", but she appeared to be saying it jokingly to tease the fans. She was probably joking if she meant Admiral William Adama, while Lee "Apollo" Adama doesn't seem very "unlikely" a choice given their history.
*According to a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/#a000525 blog] by Ronald Moore, he states that the relationship between Helo and Boomer will continue, neither Boomer will be killed in Season 3, and a subplot early in Season 3 will involve a [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies|dog]].
*Anders will be alive for at least 7 episodes of season 3, according to news from his [http://www.michaeltrucco.com/index.html website].
*In an [http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1496 interview] with iFMagazine on May 11, 2006, David Eick said "I’m excited about the fact that we will be exploring the interior of a Cylon basestar, and that will include the introduction of the new type of Cylon. I’m excited about the fact that we’re going to have Lucy [Lawless] back. I think it’s going to be exciting for the fans to watch the opening trilogy of episodes, because we’re really falling into the rubric of something for everybody. There will be great philosophical crisis talking place with Baltar [James Callis]. There’s a round-up taking place of human beings becoming a police force, or a Gestapo, for the occupying Cylons. Then there’s an attempt at an escape that will be like THE GREAT ESCAPE, and be a dynamic action episode. There’s a lot of really rich stuff for the opening three. Beyond that point everything is embryonic, and still in development."
*In an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3165&Itemid=0 interview], [[Tahmoh Penikett]] confirms that [[Helo]] is Galactica's XO at the beginning of Season 3.
*In an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/ew0606/index.html article] in the June 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, Tricia Helfer said that one Cylon character will be permanently killed. This is probably [[Caprica-Six]], who was seen shot in the trailer that was screened at MTR (though it is unclear who shoots her).
**According to David Eick in an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/tvguide0706/ article] in TVGuide, the Cylons ''themselves'' will execute the Cylon that permanently dies: "The notion of execution is repulsive to the Cylons...to reach that point with one of their own is a monumental event." This could possibly refer to [[boxing]] (explained in "[[Downloaded]]"): the Cylons feel that they are ethically superior to humans, so they felt that "boxing" a Cylon's consciousness - leaving it in cold storage and never loading it into a new body - was better than execution, even though they're practically the same.
*According to an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] with [[Leah Cairns]] on June 27th, 2006, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] is not trapped on New Caprica, but was on ''Galactica'' when it Jumped away with the Fleet. She mentions that Racetrack appears in episodes 8 and 9, meaning she survives at least that long.
*According to the May 11th, 2006 IF Magazine interview with David Eick, Dualla is indeed married to Lee Adama after the "one year later" leap forward in time. Previously there was only speculation about this fact based on what seemed to be Dualla playing with a ring on her wedding finger during her scene on the Pegasus bridge during the season finale.
*At a [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1833539&page=0&fpart=86&vc=1 convention appearance], [[Jamie Bamber]] said that we will find out in flashbacks what happened between Apollo and Starbuck that caused a rift between them, in episode 8 "[[Unfinished Business]]". This will include a boxing scene in which Apollo and Starbuck beat the hell out of each other.
*An [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/ interview] on July 13, 2006 with executive producer [[David Eick]] revealed much to come in season 3:
**Eick said that episode 7, "[[Hero]], "involves a human POW(likely played by Carl Lumbly of Alias as David Eick mentioned he would be in episode 7) who’s been trapped on the Cylon base ship for the last four years, and when we meet him we realize it’s a great homecoming for him because he was one of Adama’s pilots. But by the middle of the episode you realize the reason why this guy was taken prisoner was because Adama shot his ship down. And it becomes sort of an episode about why such a thing would have happened and how Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies."
***Note: Season 3 will occur roughly 2 years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], so this past action by Adama occurred roughly 2 years before the Cylon attack. This corresponds with the dates that known [[Cylon agent|humanoid Cylon]] infiltration of the Twelve Colonies commenced: [[Caprica-Six]] was in a relationship with Baltar since 2 years before the attack, and Adama said that ''Galactica''-Sharon had been serving on his ship for 2 years.
**There will be a mid-season break between episodes 10 and 11. However it will not be as long as the hiatus between "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]": while that mid-season break lasted 4 months, this mid-season 3 break will last 1 month.
**Episodes 5 and 6 are a two-part story in which ''Galactica'' discovers a dying Cylon Baseship, and deals with a plague that has befallen the Cylons.
**Episode 8 will be a flashback episode dealing with events that transpired during the "One Year Later" time-jump. Grace Park has previously revealed the name of this flashback episode (though not the airing order) in another interview: its current title is "[[Unfinished Business]]".
**Episode 9 is not quite a standalone, not quite an arc episode: it sets up/leads into the mid-season finale in episode 10 (similar to how "[[Colonial Day]]" led up to "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" in Season 1, "[[Downloaded]]" led up to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and (to an extent) "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" introduced elements for "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). }
***In a blog entry<ref name="blog20060727">[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/#a001019 Ronald Moore's blog entry for July 27th, 2006]</ref>, [[Ronald Moore]] describes this episode entitled "The Passage", has "a harrowing voyage of the rag-tag fleet and focuses on Kat."
**The mid-season cliffhanger story, spanning episodes 10 and 11, will center on "discovering the next big clue on the road to Earth".
*A [[Season 3]] teaser was shown during the premiere of [http://www.scifi.com/eureka/ Eureka] on Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday, July 18. Details are [[User:Gougef/Season 3 Teaser | here]].
**It was the same trailer screened at MTR on June 2nd, however there were noticeable tweaks. To see a ''BattlestarWiki'' user's first hand report on the trailer from MTR, see [[User talk:The Merovingian#BattlestarWiki Roving Reporter|this page]].

*According to Edward James Olmos at the 2006 Comic-Con<ref>{{cite web|url=http://media33b.libsyn.com/m3dteJR2aHjHe5d%2BZXZxpJqtY3aY/podcasts/mb/tmbs-060722-sdcc_bsg.mov |title=Comic-Con 2006 |format=VID }}</ref> BSG panel, the Colonials will spread this virus throughout the Cylon fleet, causing a pandemic (paralleling real world current fears of the [[Wikipedia:H5N1|Avian Flu]]), in payback against the Cylons. Olmos also said that by the middle of Season 3 (which was at the time in the middle of filming) the total human [[Survivor Count]] has shrunk from over 49,000 pre-"[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" to roughly 38,000. At least several thousand must have died in the nuking of [[Cloud 9]] by [[Gina]], and presumably there are more casualties to come on New Caprica.
*Roslin returns to the presidency.<ref name="blog20060727"/>

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Galactica Crew Guide]] page.''

==Episodes==
: ''To view the list of episodes, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Episode Guide#Season 3: October 2006|Battlestar Galactica Episode Guide]] page.''

== Official Statements ==

*An official notice of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

::SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in '''April 2006'''.<ref>{{cite press release|url=http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 |title=Galactica Returns In Fall |website=SciFi.com | date=2006-03-09 }}</ref>

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 26, 2006]) ===

* '''Regarding [[William Adama]] and the reduction of the Colonial military:'''

: '' "What happened to Adama in the season finale to change him so much? Why would a man who spent decades of his adult life standing watch for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] return suddenly give in and allow the military to stand down? How could he convince himself that the Cylons weren't coming back after 1 year when the last time they waited 40 years? He knew settlement was wrong so why didn't he offer any resistance? "''

: I think people have a remarkable ability to convince themselves of just about anything. Adama, like everyone else in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], had been constantly on the run, constantly under stress, and constantly in danger of losing his life for months on end, with virtually no break from the metal walls surrounding him day in and day out. When, finally, the people decided to end the long sojourn and settle on [[New Caprica]], he had little choice but to comply with the results of a democratic election which hinged on that very question. And as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, people began to relax, to believe that maybe they had really turned a corner, had really found a place to lay down their burdens and start a new life. Adama was just as vulnerable to that attractive idea as anyone else, and as the men and women under him began to clamor for a new life, as the political leadership of New Caprica began to demand more and more military resources to support the civilian population, there came the point where Adama began to believe in the mirage too. He's not perfect. He never was. He couldn't bring himself to leave his ship, but as age and fatigue began to set in, he started to let down his guard just a little -- not all at once and never completely, but just enough.

: There were also practical considerations. He was entirely alone out here. No Admiralty to call for reinforcements or intelligence, no Justice Ministry to prosecute soldiers who simply never came back from the surface of [[New Caprica]], and no friendly ear in the office of the president to get needed resources for the military ships maintaining their lonely vigil up in orbit. He was alone and he was tired. It's almost as simple as that.

: I remember one of my most vivid memories from the immediate post 9/11 period was opening up the newspaper and reading about a physical confrontation in the streets between members of the New York police department and the New York fire department. It was heartbreaking, it was infuriating and it was illuminating. People are people. Enormous events happen, history pivots around us and we tell ourselves that everything has changed, that we're irrevocably different from this day forward -- until the next time everything changes. Adama made a mistake. They all did. And as he is wont to say, they will all have to live with it.

* '''Concerning [[Lee Adama]]'s changes:'''

: ''"What is up with the pudgified Apollo? Too much chunky munky B&J?"''

: We're going to hint at some of the reasons for Lee's physical, er... changes in the first few episodes, then deal with it in more detail later. Overall, we're going to be hinting at a lot of things that happened in the intervening year over the first few episodes, then do more stuff with it later, as the season progresses.

* '''Regarding [[Saul Tigh]]'s role in season three:'''

: Anyway, I think you'll be happy to know that we've got some real meaty stuff planned for the Colonel in the first few episodes. I also felt that we didn't use Tigh as effectively in the later part of [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]], and I was eager to get him back into the thick of things. He's got a sizable role in the initial episodes, and there are some enormous changes and shocks coming for his character next season.

* '''Regarding the role of [[Tom Zarek]]:'''

: ''"What happened to Zarek? Given his help getting [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] elected, I would have expected him to have recieved a pretty nice 'reward', perhaps as VP? Did Baltar even have a VP? We never see Zarek post-election or a year later on [[New Caprica]]. Given Zarak's penchant for political mayhem, I would think that his fate would be one of significant interest. Perhaps we will see this early in Season 3? "''

:You will be seeing Zarek again and early in the season. He was the Vice President, but his relationship with Baltar went south relatively quickly, and he simply refused to cooperate once the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation began.

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 3 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]

Season 3 (2006-07)

2006-08-29T14:38:50Z

Elach: /* Pivotal Plot Points */

{{spoiler}}

[[Image:Seas3.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Battlestar Galactica Season 3]]
==Summary==

:''Under the occupation of the [[Cylon]]'s rule, and without [[The Fleet]] for protection, the [[Colonials]] stranded on [[New Caprica]] must once again fight for their survival and their freedom.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*The [[Occupation | first episode]] of Season 3 occurs four months after the events of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] with the occupation in full swing.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss |title= Reborn "Galactica" can do battle with the best of sci-fi |date=2006-04-28 |last=Peterson |first=Kim |format= |language=English |publisher=Seattle Times}}</ref>
*The occupation is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]. The Colonial government run by President Baltar is collaborating with the [[Cylons (RDM)]], while other the humans put together a secret resistance against the Cylons. <ref name="now">[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview NowPlayingMagazine Interview with Ron Moore, March 11, 2006]</ref>
*According to [[Lucy Lawless]], who plays [[Number Three]]: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in the first ten Season 3 episodes.<ref>[http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention]</ref>
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of Season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
**There will actually be flashbacks explaining exactly why Apollo gained a lot of weight in the year that passed, why Starbuck and Tigh have mended fences now, and what happened that made Starbuck and Apollo angry at each other (apparently it was more than just her being insensitive when Anders came to ''Galactica'', possibly something more specific than him simply being frustrated that they got married). Lee will stay overweight for about the first 5 episodes.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/]
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". <ref name="now"/>
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc. <ref name="now"/>
*Katee Sackhoff has said in several [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-kateesackhoffbattlestargalacticaseason3secrets,0,6358727.story?coll=zap-rotator-coll interviews] that she has lost a fight with the producers to keep her long hair, and Starbuck's hair will become incredibly short in season 3. Sackhoff said her hair will be "somewhere between Sigourney Weaver in Alien (3) and the pilot ([[Miniseries]])", and "Kind of...like Natalie Portman in "[[Wikipedia:V for Vendetta (film)|V for Vendetta]]" short". Sackhoff goes on to say that her character "goes through a lot of turmoil over the first four episodes, more so than we've ever seen her, the depth of despair that she finds herself in are pretty deep at the end of episode four, and she kind of re-establishes her commitment to the military in episode five which is the haircut" and "sort of like ritualistically, preparing herself to go back on the warpath". (Ron Moore has said that the characters would leave New Caprica by around episode 5, so Sackhoff is probably referring to the point when they leave and she rejoins the military).
**Sackhoff stated in a more recent interview on June 20th that she was able to make a compromise with Ron and David, and in season 3 she will ''not'' have a "V for Vendetta"-style crew cut, but instead the length of her hair will be shorter than it was at the beginning of Season 1 (i.e. in "[[33]]"), but longer than it was during the Miniseries.
*Sackhoff went on to say that "there is another man that comes into her life, and it is a very unlikely man that everyone is going to be so livid over", and which Sackhoff wasn't entirely happy about. She then said "It's Adama", but she appeared to be saying it jokingly to tease the fans. She was probably joking if she meant Admiral William Adama, while Lee "Apollo" Adama doesn't seem very "unlikely" a choice given their history.
*According to a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/#a000525 blog] by Ronald Moore, he states that the relationship between Helo and Boomer will continue, neither Boomer will be killed in Season 3, and a subplot early in Season 3 will involve a [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies|dog]].
*Anders will be alive for at least 7 episodes of season 3, according to news from his [http://www.michaeltrucco.com/index.html website].
*In an [http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1496 interview] with iFMagazine on May 11, 2006, David Eick said "I’m excited about the fact that we will be exploring the interior of a Cylon basestar, and that will include the introduction of the new type of Cylon. I’m excited about the fact that we’re going to have Lucy [Lawless] back. I think it’s going to be exciting for the fans to watch the opening trilogy of episodes, because we’re really falling into the rubric of something for everybody. There will be great philosophical crisis talking place with Baltar [James Callis]. There’s a round-up taking place of human beings becoming a police force, or a Gestapo, for the occupying Cylons. Then there’s an attempt at an escape that will be like THE GREAT ESCAPE, and be a dynamic action episode. There’s a lot of really rich stuff for the opening three. Beyond that point everything is embryonic, and still in development."
*In an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3165&Itemid=0 interview], [[Tahmoh Penikett]] confirms that [[Helo]] is Galactica's XO at the beginning of Season 3.
*In an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/ew0606/index.html article] in the June 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, Tricia Helfer said that one Cylon character will be permanently killed. This is probably [[Caprica-Six]], who was seen shot in the trailer that was screened at MTR (though it is unclear who shoots her).
**According to David Eick in an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/tvguide0706/ article] in TVGuide, the Cylons ''themselves'' will execute the Cylon that permanently dies: "The notion of execution is repulsive to the Cylons...to reach that point with one of their own is a monumental event." This could possibly refer to [[boxing]] (explained in "[[Downloaded]]"): the Cylons feel that they are ethically superior to humans, so they felt that "boxing" a Cylon's consciousness - leaving it in cold storage and never loading it into a new body - was better than execution, even though they're practically the same.
*According to an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] with [[Leah Cairns]] on June 27th, 2006, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] is not trapped on New Caprica, but was on ''Galactica'' when it Jumped away with the Fleet. She mentions that Racetrack appears in episodes 8 and 9, meaning she survives at least that long.
*According to the May 11th, 2006 IF Magazine interview with David Eick, Dualla is indeed married to Lee Adama after the "one year later" leap forward in time. Previously there was only speculation about this fact based on what seemed to be Dualla playing with a ring on her wedding finger during her scene on the Pegasus bridge during the season finale.
*At a [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1833539&page=0&fpart=86&vc=1 convention appearance], [[Jamie Bamber]] said that we will find out in flashbacks what happened between Apollo and Starbuck that caused a rift between them, in episode 8 "[[Unfinished Business]]". This will include a boxing scene in which Apollo and Starbuck beat the hell out of each other.
*An [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/ interview] on July 13, 2006 with executive producer [[David Eick]] revealed much to come in season 3:
**Eick said that episode 7, "[[Hero]], "involves a human POW(likely played by Carl Lumbly of Alias as David Eick mentioned he would be in episode 7) who’s been trapped on the Cylon base ship for the last four years, and when we meet him we realize it’s a great homecoming for him because he was one of Adama’s pilots. But by the middle of the episode you realize the reason why this guy was taken prisoner was because Adama shot his ship down. And it becomes sort of an episode about why such a thing would have happened and how Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies."
***Note: Season 3 will occur roughly 2 years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], so this past action by Adama occurred roughly 2 years before the Cylon attack. This corresponds with the dates that known [[Cylon agent|humanoid Cylon]] infiltration of the Twelve Colonies commenced: [[Caprica-Six]] was in a relationship with Baltar since 2 years before the attack, and Adama said that ''Galactica''-Sharon had been serving on his ship for 2 years.
**There will be a mid-season break between episodes 10 and 11. However it will not be as long as the hiatus between "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]": while that mid-season break lasted 4 months, this mid-season 3 break will last 1 month.
**Episodes 5 and 6 are a two-part story in which ''Galactica'' discovers a dying Cylon Baseship, and deals with a plague that has befallen the Cylons.
**Episode 8 will be a flashback episode dealing with events that transpired during the "One Year Later" time-jump. Grace Park has previously revealed the name of this flashback episode (though not the airing order) in another interview: its current title is "[[Unfinished Business]]".
**Episode 9 is not quite a standalone, not quite an arc episode: it sets up/leads into the mid-season finale in episode 10 (similar to how "[[Colonial Day]]" led up to "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" in Season 1, "[[Downloaded]]" led up to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and (to an extent) "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" introduced elements for "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). }
***In a blog entry<ref name="blog20060727">[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/#a001019 Ronald Moore's blog entry for July 27th, 2006]</ref>, [[Ronald Moore]] describes this episode entitled "The Passage", has "a harrowing voyage of the rag-tag fleet and focuses on Kat."
**The mid-season cliffhanger story, spanning episodes 10 and 11, will center on "discovering the next big clue on the road to Earth".
*A [[Season 3]] teaser was shown during the premiere of [http://www.scifi.com/eureka/ Eureka] on Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday, July 18. Details are [[User:Gougef/Season 3 Teaser | here]].
**It was the same trailer screened at MTR on June 2nd, however there were noticeable tweaks. To see a ''BattlestarWiki'' user's first hand report on the trailer from MTR, see [[User talk:The Merovingian#BattlestarWiki Roving Reporter|this page]].

*According to Edward James Olmos at the 2006 Comic-Con<ref>{{cite web|url=http://media33b.libsyn.com/m3dteJR2aHjHe5d%2BZXZxpJqtY3aY/podcasts/mb/tmbs-060722-sdcc_bsg.mov |title=Comic-Con 2006 |format=VID }}</ref> BSG panel, the Colonials will spread this virus throughout the Cylon fleet, causing a pandemic (paralleling real world current fears of the [[Wikipedia:H5N1|Avian Flu]]), in payback against the Cylons. Olmos also said that by the middle of Season 3 (which was at the time in the middle of filming) the total human [[Survivor Count]] has shrunk from over 49,000 pre-"[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" to roughly 38,000. At least several thousand must have died in the nuking of [[Cloud 9]] by [[Gina]], and presumably there are more casualties to come on New Caprica.
*Roslin returns to the presidency.<ref name="blog20060727"/>

*According to Gateworld.net, the episode after [[Rapture]] is titled [[Taking a Break...]].
*In the October 2006 edition of ''SciFi'', the official magazine of the SciFi Channel, a photograph shows Starbuck and the cylon Leoben Conoy having dinner together. From this and other evidence, it appears that Starbuck will be forced to enact scenes of domesticity and other fraternization with the cylon who many believe is also the father of the child conceived from Starbuck's stolen ovary ("[[The Farm]]").

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Galactica Crew Guide]] page.''

==Episodes==
: ''To view the list of episodes, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Episode Guide#Season 3: October 2006|Battlestar Galactica Episode Guide]] page.''

== Official Statements ==

*An official notice of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

::SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in '''April 2006'''.<ref>{{cite press release|url=http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 |title=Galactica Returns In Fall |website=SciFi.com | date=2006-03-09 }}</ref>

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 26, 2006]) ===

* '''Regarding [[William Adama]] and the reduction of the Colonial military:'''

: '' "What happened to Adama in the season finale to change him so much? Why would a man who spent decades of his adult life standing watch for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] return suddenly give in and allow the military to stand down? How could he convince himself that the Cylons weren't coming back after 1 year when the last time they waited 40 years? He knew settlement was wrong so why didn't he offer any resistance? "''

: I think people have a remarkable ability to convince themselves of just about anything. Adama, like everyone else in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], had been constantly on the run, constantly under stress, and constantly in danger of losing his life for months on end, with virtually no break from the metal walls surrounding him day in and day out. When, finally, the people decided to end the long sojourn and settle on [[New Caprica]], he had little choice but to comply with the results of a democratic election which hinged on that very question. And as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, people began to relax, to believe that maybe they had really turned a corner, had really found a place to lay down their burdens and start a new life. Adama was just as vulnerable to that attractive idea as anyone else, and as the men and women under him began to clamor for a new life, as the political leadership of New Caprica began to demand more and more military resources to support the civilian population, there came the point where Adama began to believe in the mirage too. He's not perfect. He never was. He couldn't bring himself to leave his ship, but as age and fatigue began to set in, he started to let down his guard just a little -- not all at once and never completely, but just enough.

: There were also practical considerations. He was entirely alone out here. No Admiralty to call for reinforcements or intelligence, no Justice Ministry to prosecute soldiers who simply never came back from the surface of [[New Caprica]], and no friendly ear in the office of the president to get needed resources for the military ships maintaining their lonely vigil up in orbit. He was alone and he was tired. It's almost as simple as that.

: I remember one of my most vivid memories from the immediate post 9/11 period was opening up the newspaper and reading about a physical confrontation in the streets between members of the New York police department and the New York fire department. It was heartbreaking, it was infuriating and it was illuminating. People are people. Enormous events happen, history pivots around us and we tell ourselves that everything has changed, that we're irrevocably different from this day forward -- until the next time everything changes. Adama made a mistake. They all did. And as he is wont to say, they will all have to live with it.

* '''Concerning [[Lee Adama]]'s changes:'''

: ''"What is up with the pudgified Apollo? Too much chunky munky B&J?"''

: We're going to hint at some of the reasons for Lee's physical, er... changes in the first few episodes, then deal with it in more detail later. Overall, we're going to be hinting at a lot of things that happened in the intervening year over the first few episodes, then do more stuff with it later, as the season progresses.

* '''Regarding [[Saul Tigh]]'s role in season three:'''

: Anyway, I think you'll be happy to know that we've got some real meaty stuff planned for the Colonel in the first few episodes. I also felt that we didn't use Tigh as effectively in the later part of [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]], and I was eager to get him back into the thick of things. He's got a sizable role in the initial episodes, and there are some enormous changes and shocks coming for his character next season.

* '''Regarding the role of [[Tom Zarek]]:'''

: ''"What happened to Zarek? Given his help getting [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] elected, I would have expected him to have recieved a pretty nice 'reward', perhaps as VP? Did Baltar even have a VP? We never see Zarek post-election or a year later on [[New Caprica]]. Given Zarak's penchant for political mayhem, I would think that his fate would be one of significant interest. Perhaps we will see this early in Season 3? "''

:You will be seeing Zarek again and early in the season. He was the Vice President, but his relationship with Baltar went south relatively quickly, and he simply refused to cooperate once the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation began.

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[[Image:Seas3.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Battlestar Galactica Season 3]]
==Summary==

:''Under the occupation of the [[Cylon]]'s rule, and without [[The Fleet]] for protection, the [[Colonials]] stranded on [[New Caprica]] must once again fight for their survival and their freedom.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*The [[Occupation | first episode]] of Season 3 occurs four months after the events of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] with the occupation in full swing.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss |title= Reborn "Galactica" can do battle with the best of sci-fi |date=2006-04-28 |last=Peterson |first=Kim |format= |language=English |publisher=Seattle Times}}</ref>
*The occupation is like [[Wikipedia:Vichy France|Vichy France]]. The Colonial government run by President Baltar is collaborating with the [[Cylons (RDM)]], while other the humans put together a secret resistance against the Cylons. <ref name="now">[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/ interview NowPlayingMagazine Interview with Ron Moore, March 11, 2006]</ref>
*According to [[Lucy Lawless]], who plays [[Number Three]]: "(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics". It is known, however, that Lawless will be in the first ten Season 3 episodes.<ref>[http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention]</ref>
*There will be some flashbacks that deal with events that occured during the year that was skipped over in the season 2 finale. Caprica-Sharon is noticeably given no scenes in the "One Year Later" segment, and in the commentary for the episode Ron Moore said that the first episodes of Season 3 would deal with this. In addition, there will be flashbacks explaining how Dualla transfered to ''Pegasus'' to be with Apollo, but over time as more and more crewmen left, to the point that a skeleton crew was running the ship, she was left as the next highest ranking crewman on the ship and more or less his Executive Officer (although really, there's only about 3-4 people left ''including'' Apollo and Dualla even running the ''Pegasus'' CIC).
**There will actually be flashbacks explaining exactly why Apollo gained a lot of weight in the year that passed, why Starbuck and Tigh have mended fences now, and what happened that made Starbuck and Apollo angry at each other (apparently it was more than just her being insensitive when Anders came to ''Galactica'', possibly something more specific than him simply being frustrated that they got married). Lee will stay overweight for about the first 5 episodes.
*A major plotline is that there is going to be "an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylons". This probably refers to the planned Lucy Lawless ([[Number Three]]) storyarc. It is unclear if by "Cylon world" Moore means ''the'' [[Cylon homeworld]], or just a Basestar, Cylon-occupied planet, etc.[http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/]
*The resistance against the Cylons and Baltar's collaborationist government on New Caprica will take three to five episodes, probably four. However, it will definately not take another seven episodes to wrap up the events of the season finale, as it did last time with "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". <ref name="now"/>
*Not all of the Cylons may believe that Baltar is the Hand of God, "Guardian of the New Order", etc. <ref name="now"/>
*Katee Sackhoff has said in several [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-kateesackhoffbattlestargalacticaseason3secrets,0,6358727.story?coll=zap-rotator-coll interviews] that she has lost a fight with the producers to keep her long hair, and Starbuck's hair will become incredibly short in season 3. Sackhoff said her hair will be "somewhere between Sigourney Weaver in Alien (3) and the pilot ([[Miniseries]])", and "Kind of...like Natalie Portman in "[[Wikipedia:V for Vendetta (film)|V for Vendetta]]" short". Sackhoff goes on to say that her character "goes through a lot of turmoil over the first four episodes, more so than we've ever seen her, the depth of despair that she finds herself in are pretty deep at the end of episode four, and she kind of re-establishes her commitment to the military in episode five which is the haircut" and "sort of like ritualistically, preparing herself to go back on the warpath". (Ron Moore has said that the characters would leave New Caprica by around episode 5, so Sackhoff is probably referring to the point when they leave and she rejoins the military).
**Sackhoff stated in a more recent interview on June 20th that she was able to make a compromise with Ron and David, and in season 3 she will ''not'' have a "V for Vendetta"-style crew cut, but instead the length of her hair will be shorter than it was at the beginning of Season 1 (i.e. in "[[33]]"), but longer than it was during the Miniseries.
*Sackhoff went on to say that "there is another man that comes into her life, and it is a very unlikely man that everyone is going to be so livid over", and which Sackhoff wasn't entirely happy about. She then said "It's Adama", but she appeared to be saying it jokingly to tease the fans. She was probably joking if she meant Admiral William Adama, while Lee "Apollo" Adama doesn't seem very "unlikely" a choice given their history.
*According to a [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/#a000525 blog] by Ronald Moore, he states that the relationship between Helo and Boomer will continue, neither Boomer will be killed in Season 3, and a subplot early in Season 3 will involve a [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies|dog]].
*Anders will be alive for at least 7 episodes of season 3, according to news from his [http://www.michaeltrucco.com/index.html website].
*In an [http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1496 interview] with iFMagazine on May 11, 2006, David Eick said "I’m excited about the fact that we will be exploring the interior of a Cylon basestar, and that will include the introduction of the new type of Cylon. I’m excited about the fact that we’re going to have Lucy [Lawless] back. I think it’s going to be exciting for the fans to watch the opening trilogy of episodes, because we’re really falling into the rubric of something for everybody. There will be great philosophical crisis talking place with Baltar [James Callis]. There’s a round-up taking place of human beings becoming a police force, or a Gestapo, for the occupying Cylons. Then there’s an attempt at an escape that will be like THE GREAT ESCAPE, and be a dynamic action episode. There’s a lot of really rich stuff for the opening three. Beyond that point everything is embryonic, and still in development."
*In an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3165&Itemid=0 interview], [[Tahmoh Penikett]] confirms that [[Helo]] is Galactica's XO at the beginning of Season 3.
*In an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/ew0606/index.html article] in the June 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, Tricia Helfer said that one Cylon character will be permanently killed. This is probably [[Caprica-Six]], who was seen shot in the trailer that was screened at MTR (though it is unclear who shoots her).
**According to David Eick in an [http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/tvguide0706/ article] in TVGuide, the Cylons ''themselves'' will execute the Cylon that permanently dies: "The notion of execution is repulsive to the Cylons...to reach that point with one of their own is a monumental event." This could possibly refer to [[boxing]] (explained in "[[Downloaded]]"): the Cylons feel that they are ethically superior to humans, so they felt that "boxing" a Cylon's consciousness - leaving it in cold storage and never loading it into a new body - was better than execution, even though they're practically the same.
*According to an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] with [[Leah Cairns]] on June 27th, 2006, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] is not trapped on New Caprica, but was on ''Galactica'' when it Jumped away with the Fleet. She mentions that Racetrack appears in episodes 8 and 9, meaning she survives at least that long.
*According to the May 11th, 2006 IF Magazine interview with David Eick, Dualla is indeed married to Lee Adama after the "one year later" leap forward in time. Previously there was only speculation about this fact based on what seemed to be Dualla playing with a ring on her wedding finger during her scene on the Pegasus bridge during the season finale.
*At a [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1833539&page=0&fpart=86&vc=1 convention appearance], [[Jamie Bamber]] said that we will find out in flashbacks what happened between Apollo and Starbuck that caused a rift between them, in episode 8 "[[Unfinished Business]]". This will include a boxing scene in which Apollo and Starbuck beat the hell out of each other.
*An [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/ interview] on July 13, 2006 with executive producer [[David Eick]] revealed much to come in season 3:
**Eick said that episode 7, "[[Hero]], "involves a human POW(likely played by Carl Lumbly of Alias as David Eick mentioned he would be in episode 7) who’s been trapped on the Cylon base ship for the last four years, and when we meet him we realize it’s a great homecoming for him because he was one of Adama’s pilots. But by the middle of the episode you realize the reason why this guy was taken prisoner was because Adama shot his ship down. And it becomes sort of an episode about why such a thing would have happened and how Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies."
***Note: Season 3 will occur roughly 2 years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], so this past action by Adama occurred roughly 2 years before the Cylon attack. This corresponds with the dates that known [[Cylon agent|humanoid Cylon]] infiltration of the Twelve Colonies commenced: [[Caprica-Six]] was in a relationship with Baltar since 2 years before the attack, and Adama said that ''Galactica''-Sharon had been serving on his ship for 2 years.
**There will be a mid-season break between episodes 10 and 11. However it will not be as long as the hiatus between "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]": while that mid-season break lasted 4 months, this mid-season 3 break will last 1 month.
**Episodes 5 and 6 are a two-part story in which ''Galactica'' discovers a dying Cylon Baseship, and deals with a plague that has befallen the Cylons.
**Episode 8 will be a flashback episode dealing with events that transpired during the "One Year Later" time-jump. Grace Park has previously revealed the name of this flashback episode (though not the airing order) in another interview: its current title is "[[Unfinished Business]]".
**Episode 9 is not quite a standalone, not quite an arc episode: it sets up/leads into the mid-season finale in episode 10 (similar to how "[[Colonial Day]]" led up to "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" in Season 1, "[[Downloaded]]" led up to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and (to an extent) "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" introduced elements for "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). }
***In a blog entry<ref name="blog20060727">[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/#a001019 Ronald Moore's blog entry for July 27th, 2006]</ref>, [[Ronald Moore]] describes this episode entitled "The Passage", has "a harrowing voyage of the rag-tag fleet and focuses on Kat."
**The mid-season cliffhanger story, spanning episodes 10 and 11, will center on "discovering the next big clue on the road to Earth".
*A [[Season 3]] teaser was shown during the premiere of [http://www.scifi.com/eureka/ Eureka] on Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday, July 18. Details are [[User:Gougef/Season 3 Teaser | here]].
**It was the same trailer screened at MTR on June 2nd, however there were noticeable tweaks. To see a ''BattlestarWiki'' user's first hand report on the trailer from MTR, see [[User talk:The Merovingian#BattlestarWiki Roving Reporter|this page]].

*According to Edward James Olmos at the 2006 Comic-Con<ref>{{cite web|url=http://media33b.libsyn.com/m3dteJR2aHjHe5d%2BZXZxpJqtY3aY/podcasts/mb/tmbs-060722-sdcc_bsg.mov |title=Comic-Con 2006 |format=VID }}</ref> BSG panel, the Colonials will spread this virus throughout the Cylon fleet, causing a pandemic (paralleling real world current fears of the [[Wikipedia:H5N1|Avian Flu]]), in payback against the Cylons. Olmos also said that by the middle of Season 3 (which was at the time in the middle of filming) the total human [[Survivor Count]] has shrunk from over 49,000 pre-"[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" to roughly 38,000. At least several thousand must have died in the nuking of [[Cloud 9]] by [[Gina]], and presumably there are more casualties to come on New Caprica.
*Roslin returns to the presidency.<ref name="blog20060727"/>

*According to Gateworld.net, the episode after [[Rapture]] is titled [[Taking a Break...]].

*In the October 2006 edition of ''SciFi'', the official magazine of the SciFi Channel, a photograph shows Starbuck, sporting a tatoo on her left upper arm which apparently is the brand for humans under the Cylon occupation, and the cylon Leoben Conoy having dinner together. From this and other evidence, it appears that Starbuck will be forced to enact scenes of domesticity and other fraternization with the cylon who many believe is also the father of the child conceived from Starbuck's stolen ovary ("[[The Farm]]").

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight|Sharon Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three|D'anna Biers/Number Three]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Galactica Crew Guide]] page.''

==Episodes==
: ''To view the list of episodes, go to the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Episode Guide#Season 3: October 2006|Battlestar Galactica Episode Guide]] page.''

== Official Statements ==

*An official notice of Season Three was announced on SciFi Wire on March 9, 2006. Excerpt follows:

::SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series 'Battlestar Galactica 'will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in '''April 2006'''.<ref>{{cite press release|url=http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 |title=Galactica Returns In Fall |website=SciFi.com | date=2006-03-09 }}</ref>

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 26, 2006]) ===

* '''Regarding [[William Adama]] and the reduction of the Colonial military:'''

: '' "What happened to Adama in the season finale to change him so much? Why would a man who spent decades of his adult life standing watch for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] return suddenly give in and allow the military to stand down? How could he convince himself that the Cylons weren't coming back after 1 year when the last time they waited 40 years? He knew settlement was wrong so why didn't he offer any resistance? "''

: I think people have a remarkable ability to convince themselves of just about anything. Adama, like everyone else in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]], had been constantly on the run, constantly under stress, and constantly in danger of losing his life for months on end, with virtually no break from the metal walls surrounding him day in and day out. When, finally, the people decided to end the long sojourn and settle on [[New Caprica]], he had little choice but to comply with the results of a democratic election which hinged on that very question. And as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, people began to relax, to believe that maybe they had really turned a corner, had really found a place to lay down their burdens and start a new life. Adama was just as vulnerable to that attractive idea as anyone else, and as the men and women under him began to clamor for a new life, as the political leadership of New Caprica began to demand more and more military resources to support the civilian population, there came the point where Adama began to believe in the mirage too. He's not perfect. He never was. He couldn't bring himself to leave his ship, but as age and fatigue began to set in, he started to let down his guard just a little -- not all at once and never completely, but just enough.

: There were also practical considerations. He was entirely alone out here. No Admiralty to call for reinforcements or intelligence, no Justice Ministry to prosecute soldiers who simply never came back from the surface of [[New Caprica]], and no friendly ear in the office of the president to get needed resources for the military ships maintaining their lonely vigil up in orbit. He was alone and he was tired. It's almost as simple as that.

: I remember one of my most vivid memories from the immediate post 9/11 period was opening up the newspaper and reading about a physical confrontation in the streets between members of the New York police department and the New York fire department. It was heartbreaking, it was infuriating and it was illuminating. People are people. Enormous events happen, history pivots around us and we tell ourselves that everything has changed, that we're irrevocably different from this day forward -- until the next time everything changes. Adama made a mistake. They all did. And as he is wont to say, they will all have to live with it.

* '''Concerning [[Lee Adama]]'s changes:'''

: ''"What is up with the pudgified Apollo? Too much chunky munky B&J?"''

: We're going to hint at some of the reasons for Lee's physical, er... changes in the first few episodes, then deal with it in more detail later. Overall, we're going to be hinting at a lot of things that happened in the intervening year over the first few episodes, then do more stuff with it later, as the season progresses.

* '''Regarding [[Saul Tigh]]'s role in season three:'''

: Anyway, I think you'll be happy to know that we've got some real meaty stuff planned for the Colonel in the first few episodes. I also felt that we didn't use Tigh as effectively in the later part of [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season Two]], and I was eager to get him back into the thick of things. He's got a sizable role in the initial episodes, and there are some enormous changes and shocks coming for his character next season.

* '''Regarding the role of [[Tom Zarek]]:'''

: ''"What happened to Zarek? Given his help getting [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] elected, I would have expected him to have recieved a pretty nice 'reward', perhaps as VP? Did Baltar even have a VP? We never see Zarek post-election or a year later on [[New Caprica]]. Given Zarak's penchant for political mayhem, I would think that his fate would be one of significant interest. Perhaps we will see this early in Season 3? "''

:You will be seeing Zarek again and early in the season. He was the Vice President, but his relationship with Baltar went south relatively quickly, and he simply refused to cooperate once the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation began.

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 3 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]

Talk:David Weddle/Archive 1

2006-08-29T03:16:04Z

Elach: /* Wikifying writers */

== Wikifying writers ==
Should all writers and directors (or for that matter, all crew) have their own pages, or just the ones with relevant backstories? If the latter, how do we measure their relevance? Should crew members who are deemed insufficiently relevant be wikified and left pageless until someone comes up with something to say? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 03:55, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:Alternate suggestion - for those deemed irrelevant (that's so harsh!), should we link to their IMDb pages? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 04:13, 20 January 2006 (EST)
::That's the current practice. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:35, 20 January 2006 (EST)
Shane, there is also a pic of David Weddle that I uploaded. Can you please attach it to the article? Thanks. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 22:16, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Bradley Thompson/Archive 1

2006-08-28T22:15:14Z

Elach:

The "Never let the inmates run the asylum" video blog features a couple of short scenes with Bradley Thompson and David Weddle. Maybe somebody can make screen caps and post their photos on the BS Wiki. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 14:13, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
:You got it! I just uploaded them. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 17:12, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
:: Please let me know about any other crew in the video blogs. (Like who is that fourth guy in the meeting in "Never Let the Inmates ...") If I can, I will pull their pics down. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 17:15, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Bradley Thompson/Archive 1

2006-08-28T22:12:51Z

Elach:

Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

2006-08-28T19:02:07Z

Elach: /* Contract Disputes and Production Delays */

:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance", which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''

{{Episode Data
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| series=[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the Re-imagined Series]]
| season=
| episode=
| guests=
| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director=[[Wayne Rose]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= starts September 5, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population=
| prev=[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next=[[Occupation]]
}}

== Overview ==
'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' will be web-based series that claims to fill in the gaps between [[season 2 (2005-06)|season two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. The series is a limited-run series that will last 10 episodes. <ref name="ignnews">[http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html IGN: TV Online: Battlestar Galactica Webseries Announced, May 22, 2006]</ref>

The webisode series is written by veteran BSG writers [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is about 25 minutes long in total, and divided into 10 episodes.

When [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive03#Webisode series|BattlestarWiki asked Bradley Thompson]] about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week, for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC/Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes.

In August 2006, news began to leak out that the release of the webisodes would be delayed, though they were essentially finished at the time. NBC-Universal did not want to pay the writing team for webisodes content, holding that they were not actually covered under Guild contract, and were technically just promotional material. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out. According to Thompson, the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work", but no long-term resolution was ever reached. The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC/Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. In any event, by August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC/Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC/Uni for distribution online. NBC/Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were handed over to NBC/Uni. The first of ten webisodes is due to be released on Tuesday, September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments are scheduled for every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===
===Episode 2===
===Episode 3===
===Episode 4===
===Episode 5===
===Episode 6===
===Episode 7===
===Episode 8===
===Episode 9===
===Episode 10===

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads"

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Bradley Thompson]]
[[Category:Episodes written by David Weddle]]

Talk:Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance/Archive 1

2006-08-28T18:42:00Z

Elach: /* September Debut */

I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

2006-08-28T18:31:55Z

Elach: /* Contract Disputes and Production Delays */

:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance", which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''

{{Episode Data
| title=Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance
| series=[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the Re-imagined Series]]
| season=
| episode=
| guests=
| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director=[[Wayne Rose]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= starts September 5, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population=
| prev=[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next=[[Occupation]]
}}

== Overview ==
'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' will be web-based series that claims to fill in the gaps between [[season 2 (2005-06)|season two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. The series is a limited-run series that will last 10 episodes. <ref name="ignnews">[http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html IGN: TV Online: Battlestar Galactica Webseries Announced, May 22, 2006]</ref>

The webisode series is written by veteran BSG writers [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is about 25 minutes long in total, and divided into 10 episodes.

When [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Webisode series|BattlestarWiki asked Bradley Thompson]] about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week, for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC/Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes.

In August 2006, news began to leak out that the release of the webisodes would be delayed, though they were essentially finished at the time. NBC-Universal did not want to pay the writing team for webisodes content, holding that they were not actually covered under Guild contract, and were technically just promotional material. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out. According to Thompson, the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work", but no long-term resolution was ever reached. The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC/Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. In any event, by August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC/Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC/Uni for distribution online. NBC/Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were handed over to NBC/Uni. The first of ten webisodes are due to be released on Tuesday, September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments are scheduled for every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===
===Episode 2===
===Episode 3===
===Episode 4===
===Episode 5===
===Episode 6===
===Episode 7===
===Episode 8===
===Episode 9===
===Episode 10===

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads"

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Bradley Thompson]]
[[Category:Episodes written by David Weddle]]

Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

2006-08-28T18:29:43Z

Elach: /* Production delays */

:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance", which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''

{{Episode Data
| title=Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance
| series=[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the Re-imagined Series]]
| season=
| episode=
| guests=
| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director=[[Wayne Rose]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= starts September 5, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population=
| prev=[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next=[[Occupation]]
}}

== Overview ==
'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' will be web-based series that claims to fill in the gaps between [[season 2 (2005-06)|season two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. The series is a limited-run series that will last 10 episodes. <ref name="ignnews">[http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html IGN: TV Online: Battlestar Galactica Webseries Announced, May 22, 2006]</ref>

The webisode series is written by veteran BSG writers [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is about 25 minutes long in total, and divided into 10 episodes.

When [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Webisode series|BattlestarWiki asked Bradley Thompson]] about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week, for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC/Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes.

In August 2006, news began to leak out that the release of the webisodes would be delayed, though they were essentially finished at the time. NBC-Universal did not want to pay the writing team for webisodes content, holding that they were not actually covered under Guild contract, and were technically just promotional material. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out. According to Thompson, the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work", but no long-term resolution was ever reached. The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC/Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. In any event, by August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC/Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC/Uni for distribution online. NBC/Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were handed over to NBC/Uni, and they will now be released starting on September 5th. The first of ten webisodes are due to be released on September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments will be released every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===
===Episode 2===
===Episode 3===
===Episode 4===
===Episode 5===
===Episode 6===
===Episode 7===
===Episode 8===
===Episode 9===
===Episode 10===

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads"

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Bradley Thompson]]
[[Category:Episodes written by David Weddle]]

Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

2006-08-28T06:21:36Z

Elach: /* Overview */

Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Biography Standardization

2006-08-16T06:41:36Z

Elach:

I would like to see some discussion of the problems with the current bios before agreeing to this move. Can anyone provide some examples? --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 01:41, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
* {{support}} - Joe said it all. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:40, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
* {{support}} - As well. To many differences. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:52, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
* {{support}} - Standardization == good. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:29, 12 August 2006 (CDT)

I'm giving this vote until Friday, the 18th. If there are no objections at that point, then we'll make this happen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:23, 15 August 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far

2006-08-15T01:51:18Z

Elach:

'''Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far''' is a one-hour recap special of the first 2 seasons of ''Battlestar Galactica'', to be aired repeatedly in August/September 2006 leading up to Season 3. The special will summarize "the story so far" for prospective new viewers, as narrated by [[Laura Roslin]] ([[Mary McDonnell]]). <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/pr.aspx?id=20060809scifi01|title=The Futon Critic|accessdate=2006-08-11}}</ref>

On the evening of August 13, 2006, NBC affliliates on the U.S. West Coast broadcast the special following the Cincinnati-Washington football game. As was to be expected with a program that tried to synopsize the two seasons of BSG, "The Story So Far" was a good primer for those who had never seen the show before but was glaring in terms of some of the events that were omitted. Gone was any mention of the arrival of the Battlestar Pegasus and Adama's conflict with Admiral Cain, the relationship between Chief Tyrol and Galactica-Sharon (though she was shown dying in his arms), and the conflict between civilian and military authority that led to the arrest of Roslin, the declaration of marital law and the temporary splitting of the fleet. Poor dead Billy Keikeya was never mentioned (how soon we forget!), even though he was an important supporting character for a season and a half.

But in fairness, balance is hard to achieve in a one-hour show. For instance, a recap of the miniseries took the first twenty minutes, the whole first season was over by the half-hour mark, and it seemed like most of jump-foward-one-year part of the Season Two finale was played intact. Also, scenes were generally shuffled around out of their normal timeline to explain important relationships.

The narration by "Laura Roslin" (Mary McDonnell in character) was low-key and strangely effective, though it will probably leave some people wondering who she was supposed to be talking to.

In the end, "Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far" is clearly intended to draw new viewers to the series and offers little new for current followers.

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Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far

2006-08-15T01:49:49Z

Elach: /* References */

'''Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far''' is a one-hour recap special of the first 2 seasons of ''Battlestar Galactica'', to be aired repeatedly in August/September 2006 leading up to Season 3. The special will summarize "the story so far" for prospective new viewers, as narrated by [[Laura Roslin]] ([[Mary McDonnell]]). <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/pr.aspx?id=20060809scifi01|title=The Futon Critic|accessdate=2006-08-11}}</ref>

On the evening of August 13, 2006, NBC affliliates on the U.S. West Coast broadcast the special following the Cincinnati-Washington football game. As was to be expected with a program that tried to synopsize the two seasons of BSG, "The Story So Far" was a good primer for those who had never seen the show before but was glaring in terms of some of the events that were omitted. Gone was any mention of the arrival of the Battlestar Pegasus and Adama's conflict with Admiral Cain, the relationship between Chief Tyrol and Galactica-Sharon (though she was shown dying in his arms), and the conflict between civilian and military authority that led to the arrest of Roslin, the declaration of marital law and the temporary splitting of the fleet. Poor dead Billy Keikeya was never mentioned (how soon we forget!), even though he was an important supporting character for a season and a half.

But in fairness, balance is hard to achieve in a one-hour show. For instance, a recap of the miniseries took the first twenty minutes, the whole first season was over by the half-hour mark, and it seemed like most of jump-foward-one-year part of the Season Two finale was played intact. Also, scenes were generally shuffled around out of their normal timeline to explain important relationships.

The narration by "Laura Roslin" (Mary McConnell in character) was low-key and strangely effective, though it will probably leave some people wondering who she was supposed to be talking to.

In the end, "Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far" is clearly intended to draw new viewers to the series and offers little new for current followers.

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{stub}}

{{episode list (RDM specials)}}

[[Category: A to Z]] [[Category: Behind the Scenes]] [[Category:RDM]]