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Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T18:01:23Z

Eghm: reply

Since the draft's not finished, I'll go by what I've see so far:

Basically, I am in full agreement that Battlestar Wiki should avoid fanwanking -- which is just another manifestation of [[w:fanon|fanon]]'s ugly head anyway and Battlestar Wiki doesn't support fan fiction in its primary articles, other than our [[fan fiction|single entry pertaining to it]]. My primary concern is that while we should extend an assumption of good faith on the part of the cast and crew (which makes sense, since we do the same thing here to contributors), it is in '''how''' we would practice this. Does this mean ignoring errors that the crew create? If so, what kind of errors? Would the error be "small"? If so, how "small" ''is'' "small"? How "huge" is "huge"? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:20, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

: Excellent point, and it is this "how" I was trying to start a discussion on the Continuity Error Talk page. What is the current how? One way maybe to define small and huge relative to each other. The timeline errors might be considered huge (the hugest) and the others ordered relative to each other. Or there could be a voting mechanism. Or people could be encouraged to offer other explainations (being aware of fanwanking). Or maybe there is some amount of "suspension of belief" that we can agree on. I would certainly welcome other ideas on the "how"s. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 13:01, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T18:01:06Z

Eghm: reply

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T17:42:13Z

Eghm: challenges of continuity errors based on dialog

This is the overview. Basically, a ''summary'' of what the idea is about. You can get into the details later on.

DRAFT - not even close to finished, but I welcome discussion [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 01:55, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

=== {{{1|Errors Policy}}} ===

A policy proposal; started by [[User:Eghm]], in reaction to the various levels of [[Wikipedia:Suspension_of_disbelief|suspending disbelief]] discussed on [[Talk:Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Suspending_Disbelief|continuity errors talk]]. The goal of this policy is to provide guidelines of what constitues [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]] vs Produciton errors or [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Danglers|Dangling plot lines]] in Battlestar Galactica while [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assuming good faith]] on the part of the writers, without resorting to [[Wikipedia:Fanwank|fanwanking]]. This policy would be linked to from the various (small number of) error pages.

[[Wikipedia: Continuity_%28fiction%29#Continuity_errors |Continuity Errors]] requires some understanding of the continuity goals of the show, RDM wrote the BSG Bible and has mentioned them in podcasts. There are also some wiki pages: [[Naturalistic_science_fiction]], [[Life_Forms_of_the_Twelve_Colonies]].

When deriving continuity errors based on character dialog there are two extremes (with plenty of gray area between) of believing that characters have perfect knowledge and never lie or characters do not have perfect knowledge and are capable of lieing adding to this is the personality of the character. Baltar's Cylon Detector is a good example of where an individual audience members stance can effect how they interpret possible continuity errors. When Baltar tests Boomer, the test only takes a few minutes however in Tigh me up Tigh me down (add link) it is stated that one test takes 11 hours. Some people see this as an obvious continuity (writer) error. Other possible explainations have been offered such as; given Baltar's reaction to Boomers positive test, he realizes it may be a bad idea to have a possible Cylon present when the results come in. Or it could be that 11 hours is the maximium amount of time the test takes and he got "lucky" with Boomer's test, or he could be "sandbagging" so as to have time to pursue other things (such as woman, the vice presidency, etc.) or given his Cylon colaboration he could be stalling.

Microsoft mouse vs Hummer bits to go here...

Continuity sub categories:
:[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Dialogue_Errors|Dialogue Errors]] - Continuity errors specific to things said which do not belong to the BSG universe (Jesus, world famous, etc.)
:[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#VFX_Gaffes|VFX Gaffes]] - Continuity errors specific to special effects.
:[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Prop_and_Equipment_Errors|Prop and Equipmnent Errors]] - Continuity errors specific to props and set.
:[[Wikipedia:Retcon|Retcons]] - "adding of new information to "historical" material, or deliberately changing previously established facts in a work" - [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Retcons|BSG Retcons]]
:Plot holes - Continuity error where the plot has progressed without the audiance, beyond some certain level of suspended belief, not to be confused with dangling plot lines.

Production errors - things which involve the production of the show such as the reflection of crane raising the raptor in the Miniseries after Helo shoots the civilian off the wing on Caprica, seeing off set, seeing cast, seeing boom mics, etc.

[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Danglers|Dangling plot lines]] - Plot lines that have been started, but not continued.

[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Acknowledged_Mistakes|Acknowledged Mistakes and fixes]]- The show has acknowledged a mistake and fixed it.

[[Category:Think Tank proposals|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T17:19:20Z

Eghm:

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T17:13:45Z

Eghm: /* Discussion of entries */ Boxy a dangling plot line?

Is it clear that the acting change for Zak Adama was for casting reasons, or possibly the change from an extra to a fully fledged actor?
--[[User:Radicaledward|Radicaledward]] 06:21, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

[[Image:Bsg-baltar-adar.jpg|1px]]
Linking Baltar/Adar image to this page to "adopt it" (It's not visible, but it's there). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:10, 31 January 2006 (EST)

Isn't the Pyramid entry in Retcon section incorrect? I don't remember them actually ever saying the card game was named Pyramid. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:14, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

==Name change==
Should the name of this page be changed to "Goofs" or something as it coveres other gaffes not just continuity errors? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:25, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:You are right. It should be called something like "Production Errors". --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 22:36, 21 July 2006 (PDT)
::No. The current name is better and more accurate. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:11, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:::How about "Production and Continuity errors." --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:01, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
::::How is Danglers, Recasting, Prop and Equipment Errors and Crew Visible Continuity error?? These are obviously production errors? Danglers aren't really errors, maybe scripting issues, maybe something they'll leave for later, they're prone to that. I like "Production and Continuity Errors". --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 10:35, 22 July 2006 (PDT)

::::Talos' suggestion is quite sensible, and I support it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:07, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::Production errors include continuity errors, so "Production errors (RDM)" should win by virtue of concision. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:26, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::As I recall, this article already underwent a namechange... However, that's not really the point, so I will agree with Peter's suggestion of going with "Production errors (RDM)", simply because it is inclusive of ''all'' the errors that happen on screen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:13, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::Though, 'Conituity Errors' should be in there somewhere because a continuity errors affect the story where other production errors don't necessarily. A Prop, equipment, or crew visibility error doesn't affect whats going on but the miscount in the number of months to the election does play. Maybe a separate page should be made for productions errors outside of continuity errors. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 21:53, 22 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::::No. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:43, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::And both the number of months to the election and prop errors are both production related, hence my agreement with Peter's suggestion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:06, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::That was my main point, was that its not just continuity errors on this page. I like Peters suggestion. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 15:29, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::After working on this some, we may want to reopen this discussion. Also, looking ahead at removing goofs/bloopers from episodes that need working on, there may be enough stuff for two articles, continuity errors and production errors, with room for the future. At least maybe consider renaming the article per Peter's suggestion. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:58, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::I think we can safely split this article into two pages (one for production errors, the other for continuity errors). Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:06, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Link Episode Guides To Here==
Need advice on how/where to link episodes to here. In the Episode Info Template? But not all episodes have goofs/bloopers. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:55, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:<code>|goof=Y</code> ? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:30, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::I like it. It would take some smarts in the template to distinguish which series goof page to goto, but I think that's a field already (so it'd have the info to drive off of). I leave such technical matters to our [[User:Shane|template guru]]... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:32, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::All done. :) "goof" is the tag. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:14, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
==Reorganization==
Plan to reorganize this page so all the errors are in episode order within each section. Make it easier to "scan". Maybe ''Episode Name'': at the start of each errror?
:I like the overall headings, so it would have to be in both sections. Or we can always enter <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:33, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

==Suspending Disbelief==

Characters are not perfect, they make mistakes, mishear things, or in some cases may outright lie. Billy could have misheard one thousand five hundered prisoners or there could have been static on the wireless "I have *snap, crackle, pop* five hundred prisoners". Baltar could be lieing about how long it takes for the Cylon detection to work, why not, he lied about the results and then covered up his lie when called on it after Sharon shot Adama. Both of these seem just as (if not more so) reasonable then FTL travel. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 19:38, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually... Billy's lines were redubbed, so, yes, it's a deliberate retcon. As for Baltar's thing, the issue there is that he ''did'' find out Sharon was a Cylon, and it didn't take him 11 hours to do it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: I lookuped Retcon, so I see the importance of that, I am confused as to how Retcons are Continuity Errors aren't they retoractive continuity fixes? If so I am for the renaming of the page as well. I don't follow how Baltars lieing about how long it takes is a Retcon. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 19:57, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::: Baltar may be lying. Or he might be telling the truth (and the writer's just forgot how short a time G-Sharon's test took. Either way, it's a (possible) continuity error. I would be for adding the stipulation that "providing Baltar's not lying, the test takes 11 hours and etc., etc.". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:10, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::: Given Baltar's terrified reaction to the result, I don't think he is lying. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:13, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::: I mean lieing about the test taking 11 hours [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 20:15, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: I think that he makes too big a deal about it taking him "forever" to do everyone. The writers seem to have wasted a lot of dialogue for him to just be lying. Plus, given the nature of Baltar/Internal Six relationship, she would have probably needled he about lying. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:19, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: I've reworded this to account for that possibility. However, if I recall correctly, Baltar was discussing this with Internal Six, so I can't really see how it's a lie... More than likely, the writer's slipped up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:23, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::: Ya, I can see your point. Then again people have been known to convince themselves that a lie isn't a lie. I guess my viewpoint is to assume good faith and give the writers a break when I can come up with (at least what seems to me) a plausable explaination. Either way could someone explain to me how this is a Retcon? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 20:30, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::: Well, it is plausible. As for the retcon thing: it's a retcon because the "beta" test on Sharon took less time than 11 hours, and then later Baltar said that to run a complete test on a sample would take 11 hours. Also, in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down", Baltar is running a test on Bill Adama's sample, who interrupts that test with a demand to test Ellen Tigh's sample. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:46, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::: Oh I see, thanks. I guess my not being sold that Balter was telling the truth vs a writer error was preventing me from seeing a "deliberately changing previously established facts". I like your justification for saying it is 11 hours so as not to have a Cylon present when the results come in, which is probably more practical than my though that Baltar is "sandbagging" as I was assuming he is simply bored of all this repetative testing (oh whoa is poor Baltar...) and saying it takes 11 hours gives him plenty of time to do more interesting stuff. I am still interested in the more pointed bit of my last comment. Which moves me down to the NEC logo and Microsoft mouse. Along those lines shouldn't Starbuck's Hummer, the Renault in "Resistance", the chicken pot pie, and how Caprica looks like a Canadian city also be listed? I am very interested in where we draw the line on suspending disbelief vs "errors". [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 21:07, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::Maybe Baltar's test only takes 11 hours to make a complete survey of the sample. It could've picked up Cylon stuff immediately in Boomer's sample (in other words, Baltar got lucky). --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:19, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::::That wouldn't be surprising, considering how his luck runs. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:04, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::I wouldn't call Caprica looking like a certain Canadian city a "continuity error". Obviously, we may want to create a page called [[List of filming locations (RDM)]] for that, which would be a cool undertaking. In fact, I seem to recall some sites that do this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:04, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::::But you would call the other ones errors? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 23:16, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::::If they're blatantly obvious like the NEC logo or the Microsoft Mouse, yes. (Obviously, prop redressses wouldn't count.) Also, above this section, we're reopening the discussion in splitting this page off into two distinct entities: one for production errors and another for continuity errors, since they're different. We may want to do one for retconns as well, since they're continuity corrections, and not really errors. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:25, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::::: I don't see how the microsoft mouse (kudos to those that noticed it, BTW) is any more obvious than the hummer or renault, I've zoomed in on the image, and I can't make out the word microsoft, I just see a bit of white at the bottom. And I am not saying that I think that the hummer and renault should be included. What I am trying to say is I would really like to see is the wiki come up with a policy about these "errors" and personally I think that there should be some sort of "assume good faith" toward the writers in that policy. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 00:19, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::::::: Interesting idea, perhaps you could [[BW:TANK|use our Think Tank]] to come up with your proposal? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:29, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::::::: Okay, I've started working on a [[Battlestar_Wiki:ThinkTank/ErrorsPolicy| error policy proposal]]. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 02:00, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

== Discussion of entries ==

I can't recall Tigh saying "Jesus", though I've heard people talking about it. Is it possible that it was redubbed for the UK DVD? Or maybe someone can give me the rough timeindex --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:14, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
: It's roughly after Tigh and Starbuck's card fight, where Adama asks Tigh whether or not he's really going to press charges. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:08, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
::Ok, found it. He says it very softly under his breath. Never noticed that before :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:39, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Yeah, it's not really noticeable, I missed it to when I first watched the Miniseries. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:31, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

Would Boxy count as Dangling plot line? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 12:13, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T16:58:28Z

Eghm: reorder

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T16:55:37Z

Eghm: /* {{{1|Errors Policy}}} */ lots of edits

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T16:44:18Z

Eghm:

This is the overview. Basically, a ''summary'' of what the idea is about. You can get into the details later on.

DRAFT - not even close to finished, but I welcome discussion [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 01:55, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

=== {{{1|Errors Policy}}} ===

A policy to guide what constitues [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]] vs Produciton errors or [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Danglers|Dangling plot lines]] in Battlestar Galactica while [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assuming good faith]] on the part of the writers, without resorting to [[Wikipedia:Fanwank|fanwanking]]. This policy would be linked to from the various (small number of) error pages.

[[User:Eghm]] is willing to take point on this, but given the nature of [[Wikipedia:Suspension_of_disbelief|suspending disbelief]] others contributions are welcome. [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]] list some things given various levels of [[Talk:Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Suspending_Disbelief|suspending disbelief]] that not all wiki users agree are errors.

[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Acknowledged_Mistakes|Acknowledged Mistakes and fixes]]- The show has acknowledged a mistake and fixed it.

Production errors - things which involve the production of the show such as the reflection of crane raising the raptor in the Miniseries after Helo shoots the civilian off the wing on Caprica, seeing off set, seeing cast, seeing boom mics, etc.

[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Continuity_(fiction)#Continuity_errors|Continuity Errors]] - This would be a good place to link in some of the continuity stuff RDM talks about in his podcast so the wiki's concept of continuity is in line with the continuity goals of the show. [[Life_Forms_of_the_Twelve_Colonies]].
:[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Dialogue_Errors|Dialogue Errors]] - Continuity errors specific to things said which do not belong to the BSG universe (Jesus, world famous, etc.)
:[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#VFX_Gaffes|VFX Gaffes]] - Continuity errors specific to special effects.
:[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Prop_and_Equipment_Errors|Prop and Equipmnent Errors]] - Continuity errors specific to props and set.
:[[Wikipedia:Retcon|Retcons]] - "adding of new information to "historical" material, or deliberately changing previously established facts in a work" - [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Retcons|BSG Retcons]]
:Plot holes - Continuity error where the plot has progressed without the audiance, beyond some certain level of suspended belief, not to be confused with dangling plot lines.

[[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Danglers|Dangling plot lines]] - Plot lines that have been started, but not continued.

[[Category:Think Tank proposals|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T07:15:51Z

Eghm:

This is the overview. Basically, a ''summary'' of what the idea is about. You can get into the details later on.

DRAFT - not even close to finished, but I welcome discussion [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 01:55, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

=== {{{1|Errors Policy}}} ===

A policy to guide what constitues a [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]], Produciton errors, [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Retcons|Retcons]], [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Danglers|Dangling plot lines]], [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#VFX_Gaffes|VFX Gaffes]] and [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Dialogue_Errors|Dialogue Errors]] in Battlestar Galactica while [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assuming good faith]] on the part of the writers, without resorting to [[Wikipedia:Fanwank|fanwanking]]. This policy would be linked to from the various (small number of) error pages.

[[User:Eghm]] is willing to take point on this, but given the nature of [[Wikipedia:Suspension_of_disbelief|suspending disbelief]] others contributions are welcome. [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]] list some things given various levels of [[Talk:Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Suspending_Disbelief|suspending disbelief]] that not all wiki users agree are errors.

Production errors - things which involve the production of the show such as the reflection of crane raising the raptor in the Miniseries after Helo shots the civilian climbing on the wing of the raptor on Caprica, seeing off set, etc.

Continuity errors - see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Continuity_(fiction)#Continuity_errors|continuity errors]] Dees headset changing sides, shells in the container start out scattered within the box, but as the camera cuts back and forth in the scene the shells switch from organized to scattered many times. This would be a good place to link in some of the continuity stuff RDM talks about in his podcast so the wiki's concept of continuity is in line with the continuity goals of the show. [[Life_Forms_of_the_Twelve_Colonies]].

Dialog errors - things said which do not belong to the BSG universe (Jesus, world famous, etc.)

Retcons - same as Acknowledged Mistakes.

[[Category:Think Tank proposals|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T07:13:28Z

Eghm:

This is the overview. Basically, a ''summary'' of what the idea is about. You can get into the details later on.

DRAFT - not even close to finished, but I welcome discussion [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 01:55, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

=== {{{1|Errors Policy}}} ===

A policy to guide what constitues a [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]], Produciton errors, [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Retcons|Retcons]], [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Danglers|Dangling plot lines]], [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#VFX_Gaffes|VFX Gaffes]] and [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Dialogue_Errors|Dialogue Errors]] in Battlestar Galactica while [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assuming good faith]] on the part of the writers, without resorting to [[Wikipedia:Fanwank|fanwanking]]. This policy would be linked to from the various (small number of) error pages.

[[User:Eghm]] is willing to take point on this, but given the nature of [[Wikipedia:Suspension_of_disbelief|suspending disbelief]] others contributions are welcome. [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]] list some things given various levels of [[Talk:Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Suspending_Disbelief|suspending disbelief]] that not all wiki users agree are errors.

Production errors - things which involve the production of the show such as the reflection of crane raising the raptor in the Miniseries after Helo shots the civilian climbing on the wing of the raptor on Caprica, seeing off set, etc.

Continuity errors - see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Continuity_(fiction)#Continuity_errors|continuity errors]] Dees headset changing sides, shells in the container start out scattered within the box, but as the camera cuts back and forth in the scene the shells switch from organized to scattered many times. This would be a good place to link in some of the continuity stuff RDM talks about in his podcast so the wiki's concept of continuity is in line with the continuity goals of the show.

Dialog errors - things said which do not belong to the BSG universe (Jesus, world famous, etc.)

Retcons - same as Acknowledged Mistakes.

[[Category:Think Tank proposals|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T07:12:54Z

Eghm:

This is the overview. Basically, a ''summary'' of what the idea is about. You can get into the details later on.

DRAFT - not even close to finished, but I welcome discussion [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 01:55, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

=== {{{1|Errors Policy}}} ===

A policy to guide what constitues a [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]], Produciton errors, [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Retcons|Retcons]], [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Danglers|Dangling plot lines]], [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#VFX_Gaffes|VFX Gaffes]] and [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Dialogue_Errors|Dialogue Errors]] in Battlestar Galactica while [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assuming good faith]] on the part of the writers, without resorting to [[Wikipedia:Fanwank|fanwanking]]. This policy would be linked to from the various (small number of) error pages.

[[User:Eghm]] is willing to take point on this, but given the nature of [[Wikipedia:Suspension_of_disbelief|suspending disbelief]] others contributions are welcome. [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]] list some things given various levels of [[Talk:Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Suspending_Disbelief|suspending disbelief]] that not all wiki users agree are errors.

This would be a good place to link in some of the continuity stuff RDM talks about in his podcast so the wiki's concept of continuity is in line with the continuity goals of the show.

Production errors - things which involve the production of the show such as the reflection of crane raising the raptor in the Miniseries after Helo shots the civilian climbing on the wing of the raptor on Caprica, seeing off set, etc.

Continuity errors - see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Continuity_(fiction)#Continuity_errors|continuity errors]] Dees headset changing sides, shells in the container start out scattered within the box, but as the camera cuts back and forth in the scene the shells switch from organized to scattered many times.

Dialog errors - things said which do not belong to the BSG universe (Jesus, world famous, etc.)

Retcons - same as Acknowledged Mistakes.

[[Category:Think Tank proposals|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

User:Eghm

2006-09-15T07:01:38Z

Eghm:

(a.k.a yafn, Adm_Cain) Founder of the latest (started in 2005) Homeworld2 Battlestar Galactica mod ([http://hw2bsg.sf.net HW2BSG]).

I've started a [[Battlestar_Wiki:ThinkTank/ErrorsPolicy| error policy proposal]].

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T07:00:42Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T06:55:38Z

Eghm: /* {{{1|Error Policy}}} */ start of error policy draft

This is the overview. Basically, a ''summary'' of what the idea is about. You can get into the details later on.

DRAFT - not even close to finished, but I welcome discussion [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 01:55, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

=== {{{1|Errors Policy}}} ===

A policy to guide what constitues a [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]], Produciton errors, [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Retcons|Retcons]], [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Danglers|Dangling plot lines]], [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#VFX_Gaffes|VFX Gaffes]] and [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Dialogue_Errors|Dialogue Errors]] in Battlestar Galactica while [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assuming good faith]] on the part of the writers, without resorting to [[Wikipedia:Fanwank|fanwanking]]. This policy would be linked to from the various (small number of) error pages.

[[User:Eghm]] is willing to take point on this, but given the nature of [[Wikipedia:Suspension_of_disbelief|suspending disbelief]] others contributions are welcome. [[Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29]] list some things given various levels of [[Talk:Continuity_errors_%28RDM%29#Suspending_Disbelief|suspending disbelief]] that not all wiki users agree are errors.

Production errors - things which involve the production of the show such as the reflection of crane raising the raptor in the Miniseries after Helo shots the civilian climbing on the wing of the raptor on Caprica, seeing off set, etc.

Continuity errors - see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Continuity_(fiction)#Continuity_errors|continuity errors]] Dees headset changing sides, shells in the container start out scattered within the box, but as the camera cuts back and forth in the scene the shells switch from organized to scattered many times.

Dialog errors - things said which do not belong to the BSG universe (Jesus, world famous, etc.)

Retcons - same as Acknowledged Mistakes.

[[Category:Think Tank proposals|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Errors Policy

2006-09-15T05:47:29Z

Eghm:

This is the overview. Basically, a ''summary'' of what the idea is about. You can get into the details later on.

=== {{{1|Insert Title Here}}} ===

The details of your proposal will go here. Be as detailed as you'd like or believe necessary. It is recommended that you find that balance between ''downloading'' information and merely ''telling'' what your idea is.

The proposal should strive to answer some of the common questions, such as:

# What is the benefit of this proposal to the wiki?
# What is involved in implementing this idea?
# Who is going to do it?
# Why should we do it at all?
# How will we use the idea?
# Should the proposal pass, when will work start on this idea?
# Where will this idea be implemented? (e.g. Will it be on certain types of pages or the entire Wiki in general?)

Do note that the answers to the above questions should be in paragraph form, particularly for proposals of a larger scale.

'''See also'''

*You may reference any talk pages or pages from our beta-testing wiki, [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay The "Hangar Bay"].

[[Category:Think Tank proposals|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T05:19:47Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */ okay what about assuming good faith?

Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images

2006-09-15T04:55:02Z

Eghm: /* Galactica Controls */ remove dradis countdown which is no longer a misfit as I added it to the dradis page days ago

{{project|Island of Misfit Images|image=BSG WIKI Misfit Images.png|shortcut=BW:MIS}}
This article is intended to identify unused images. Feel free to add to it and to make comments. Hopefully this can be used to find images for articles that need them, or identify images that can be deleted to make space for more images. Hopefully this can be used as a resource for article writers/editors to find images for the content, as well as administrators to clean up images that have sat here too long.

* This is sort of an categorized, visual version of the [[Special:Unusedimages|Unused Files page]], which has been deprecated in lieu of the [[md:Main Page|Battlestar Wiki Media repository]].

* Please use thumbnails to hopefully avoid accidentally destroying any dial-up users that may stumble upon this location.

* Editors looking for a home for these pictures would do well to start at the [[Battlestar Wiki:Requested Images|Requested Images Page]] and the [[Battlestar Wiki:Characters#List of Characters wanting pictures|List of Characters Wanting Pictures]].

== "Galleries" ==
* [[:md:User:User:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr./gallery|Joe's Gallery]]
* [[:md:User:Shane/gallery|Shane's Gallery]]

==Season 3 image==
Due to possible spoilers all Season 3 misfit images are on a [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images/Season 3|child page]]

== Ship Shots ==

=== Galactica Shots ===
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==== Galactica Controls ====
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==== Galactica Weapons ====
[[Image:Railguns 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|left|Though they're not railguns...<br />We should move this if we use it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 10:53, 18 May 2006 (CDT)]]
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=== Viper Shots ===
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==== Viper Interior====
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[[Image:HotDogViperCockpit.jpg|thumb|left|Viper Mark II cockpit interior]]
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These might not rock so much....
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=== Blackbird Shots ===

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=== Basestar Shots ===
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=== Raider Shots ===
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== User photos ==

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== People Shots ==

=== Cast Shots/Promo Photos ===
[[Image:Doral closeup.jpg|thumb|left|Doral's Oasis High School photo. Keep in circular file. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:24, 31 March 2006 (CST)]]
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=== Wide Shots ===
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=== Cropped Shots from Scenes ===
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===Objects===
[[Image:CottleCubit.png|thumb|left|A Caprican Cubit coin removed from the throat of Commander Jack Fisk during Dr. Cottle's autopsy.]]
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== Logos ==
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===Images by [[user:Scotchfairy|Scotchfairy]]===
[[Image:ColonialSealSepia.png|thumb|left|Image created by [[user:Scotchfairy|Scotchfairy]]]]
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[[Image:ColonialSealBW.png|thumb|left|Image created by [[user:Scotchfairy|Scotchfairy]]]]
[[Image:ColonialBannerSeal.png|thumb|left|Image created by [[user:Scotchfairy|Scotchfairy]]]]
[[Image:ColonialBanner.png|thumb|left|Image created by [[user:Scotchfairy|Scotchfairy]]]]
[[Image:BSG75AnchorSepia.png|thumb|left|Image created by [[user:Scotchfairy|Scotchfairy]]]]
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== Siege Engines and Other Large Wooden Structures ==
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=Adopted Images=
A location for images that have had homes identified, but have not yet been placed. This will help make sure that they won't "accidentally" be deleted.

==People Images==

===Cropped Shots from Scenes===
[[Image:Bscap383.jpg|thumb|left|Maybe good for the [[Humano-Cylon]] article on how Humano-Cylons can succumb to mental injury? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:39, 31 January 2006 (EST)]]
[[Image:Seshalaptop2 216 1080i.jpg|thumb|left|Interesting photo. Worth keeping around for reference, seeing as there is a very obvious gaffe here in terms of how a civilian knows about the Cylon's plans for producing a Human-Cylon hybrid. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:08, 15 August 2006 (CDT)]]

== Props ==
[[Image:Ballot (view 1).jpg|thumb|left|Keep. I was working on a page for ballots. I'll resume it later. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:34, 3 May 2006 (CDT)]]
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Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T04:16:36Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T02:07:26Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */

Is it clear that the acting change for Zak Adama was for casting reasons, or possibly the change from an extra to a fully fledged actor?
--[[User:Radicaledward|Radicaledward]] 06:21, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

[[Image:Bsg-baltar-adar.jpg|1px]]
Linking Baltar/Adar image to this page to "adopt it" (It's not visible, but it's there). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:10, 31 January 2006 (EST)

Isn't the Pyramid entry in Retcon section incorrect? I don't remember them actually ever saying the card game was named Pyramid. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:14, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

==Name change==
Should the name of this page be changed to "Goofs" or something as it coveres other gaffes not just continuity errors? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:25, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:You are right. It should be called something like "Production Errors". --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 22:36, 21 July 2006 (PDT)
::No. The current name is better and more accurate. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:11, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:::How about "Production and Continuity errors." --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:01, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
::::How is Danglers, Recasting, Prop and Equipment Errors and Crew Visible Continuity error?? These are obviously production errors? Danglers aren't really errors, maybe scripting issues, maybe something they'll leave for later, they're prone to that. I like "Production and Continuity Errors". --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 10:35, 22 July 2006 (PDT)

::::Talos' suggestion is quite sensible, and I support it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:07, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::Production errors include continuity errors, so "Production errors (RDM)" should win by virtue of concision. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:26, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::As I recall, this article already underwent a namechange... However, that's not really the point, so I will agree with Peter's suggestion of going with "Production errors (RDM)", simply because it is inclusive of ''all'' the errors that happen on screen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:13, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::Though, 'Conituity Errors' should be in there somewhere because a continuity errors affect the story where other production errors don't necessarily. A Prop, equipment, or crew visibility error doesn't affect whats going on but the miscount in the number of months to the election does play. Maybe a separate page should be made for productions errors outside of continuity errors. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 21:53, 22 July 2006 (PDT)
:::::::No. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:43, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::And both the number of months to the election and prop errors are both production related, hence my agreement with Peter's suggestion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:06, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::That was my main point, was that its not just continuity errors on this page. I like Peters suggestion. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 15:29, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::After working on this some, we may want to reopen this discussion. Also, looking ahead at removing goofs/bloopers from episodes that need working on, there may be enough stuff for two articles, continuity errors and production errors, with room for the future. At least maybe consider renaming the article per Peter's suggestion. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:58, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

==Link Episode Guides To Here==
Need advice on how/where to link episodes to here. In the Episode Info Template? But not all episodes have goofs/bloopers. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:55, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:<code>|goof=Y</code> ? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:30, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::I like it. It would take some smarts in the template to distinguish which series goof page to goto, but I think that's a field already (so it'd have the info to drive off of). I leave such technical matters to our [[User:Shane|template guru]]... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:32, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::All done. :) "goof" is the tag. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:14, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
==Reorganization==
Plan to reorganize this page so all the errors are in episode order within each section. Make it easier to "scan". Maybe ''Episode Name'': at the start of each errror?
:I like the overall headings, so it would have to be in both sections. Or we can always enter <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:33, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

==Suspending Disbelief==

Characters are not perfect, they make mistakes, mishear things, or in some cases may outright lie. Billy could have misheard one thousand five hundered prisoners or there could have been static on the wireless "I have *snap, crackle, pop* five hundred prisoners". Baltar could be lieing about how long it takes for the Cylon detection to work, why not, he lied about the results and then covered up his lie when called on it after Sharon shot Adama. Both of these seem just as (if not more so) reasonable then FTL travel. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 19:38, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually... Billy's lines were redubbed, so, yes, it's a deliberate retcon. As for Baltar's thing, the issue there is that he ''did'' find out Sharon was a Cylon, and it didn't take him 11 hours to do it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: I lookuped Retcon, so I see the importance of that, I am confused as to how Retcons are Continuity Errors aren't they retoractive continuity fixes? If so I am for the renaming of the page as well. I don't follow how Baltars lieing about how long it takes is a Retcon. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 19:57, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::: Baltar may be lying. Or he might be telling the truth (and the writer's just forgot how short a time G-Sharon's test took. Either way, it's a (possible) continuity error. I would be for adding the stipulation that "providing Baltar's not lying, the test takes 11 hours and etc., etc.". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:10, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::: Given Baltar's terrified reaction to the result, I don't think he is lying. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:13, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::: I mean lieing about the test taking 11 hours [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 20:15, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: I think that he makes too big a deal about it taking him "forever" to do everyone. The writers seem to have wasted a lot of dialogue for him to just be lying. Plus, given the nature of Baltar/Internal Six relationship, she would have probably needled he about lying. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:19, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: I've reworded this to account for that possibility. However, if I recall correctly, Baltar was discussing this with Internal Six, so I can't really see how it's a lie... More than likely, the writer's slipped up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:23, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::: Ya, I can see your point. Then again people have been known to convince themselves that a lie isn't a lie. I guess my viewpoint is to assume good faith and give the writers a break when I can come up with (at least what seems to me) a plausable explaination. Either way could someone explain to me how this is a Retcon? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 20:30, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::: Well, it is plausible. As for the retcon thing: it's a retcon because the "beta" test on Sharon took less time than 11 hours, and then later Baltar said that to run a complete test on a sample would take 11 hours. Also, in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down", Baltar is running a test on Bill Adama's sample, who interrupts that test with a demand to test Ellen Tigh's sample. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:46, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::: Oh I see, thanks. I guess my not being sold that Balter was telling the truth vs a writer error was preventing me from seeing a "deliberately changing previously established facts". I like your justification for saying it is 11 hours so as not to have a Cylon present when the results come in, which is probably more practical than my though that Baltar is "sandbagging" as I was assuming he is simply bored of all this repetative testing (oh whoa is poor Baltar...) and saying it takes 11 hours gives him plenty of time to do more interesting stuff. I am still interested in the more pointed bit of my last comment. Which moves me down to the NEC logo and Microsoft mouse. Along those lines shouldn't Starbuck's Hummer, the Renault in "Resistance", the chicken pot pie, and how Caprica looks like a Canadian city also be listed? I am very interested in where we draw the line on suspending disbelief vs "errors". [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 21:07, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T01:30:58Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */ is assuming good faith a bad idea on my part?

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T01:15:52Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */ Lieing about the test taking 11 hours not that Sharon is a cyclon

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T01:08:17Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T01:04:07Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T00:57:47Z

Eghm: /* Suspending Disbelief */

Talk:Continuity errors (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-09-15T00:38:09Z

Eghm: Lets not assume that characters have perfect knowledge, please.

Talk:Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance/Archive 1

2006-09-14T23:50:35Z

Eghm: /* Webisodes links */ FAQ url

I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Image" ==

When we do a picture for the Episode Data block and this is all done, we should take all 10 of the images and put them in a pattern so it would be a mossic image. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I like your idea, and I suggest 2 wide by 5 tall, as it must be either 1x10 or 2x5 (barring tomfoolery), and 5x2 would have unfortunate aspect ratio consequences. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 00:20, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

== Connectivity?!? ==

Is anyone else having problems watching the webisodes?
I've waited all this time for them to air and I can't watch a single one!

How shady is that?

Do Sci-Fi.com have availbility problems regarding this, and how hong is it going to take to fix?

Does anyone know if they are going to be released in any other format other than webisode? --Jetstorm316
:I just watched it not 20 minutes ago and it worked. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::You need the latest Flash player. You can get it from the Marrocmedia Website. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 08:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Any way to watch it if not from America? Wont let me watch here in the UK :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 11:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Tried several US proxies and it just wont load. can someone save it and upload to google video or youtube or summit? :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 11:40, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::This is bending the policy,but it is on you-tube (Watch this morning because it works better than the official site at lower speeds). Should be a link on skiffy board somewhere. Or gtalk or gmail me and I will find the link. gougef at gmail dot com. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:44, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Well said, Frankie. No hosting or linking to "illegal" copies... but like he said there's youtube links at sciffy (even though the admins appear to be trying to delete them). And the "flash player" official version was choppy even with ultra-broadband. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Thanks for your help anyway guys. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 12:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Does any one have the link for the you tube version? My Flash player is upto date, but can't watch here in the UK........

Must be a Trans-Atlantic thing or something, but I hope they put it on 3.0 to compensate for people who are missing out.--Jetstorm316 19:12GMT 5 september 2006

EUREKA! Success at last! If you have a torrent client, go to this link,
<<removed link>>
Now, we can all watch it at our leasure --jetstorm316 19:34hrs GMT
:We don't host or link copies. Removed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 13:18, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Please do not link to the webisodes or clips of BSG on this Wiki that are copyrighted. Thank you --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 13:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

And thats the thanks I get for helping us all out who have connectivity problems? You know what, F*** the lot of you! I won't visit this site again!

This is the last entry for Jetstorm316

Goodbye and good F***ing luck to you bunch of F***ing losers!
:Please do not feel offended by up removing the link you posted. As i mentioned on your talk page It was nice of you to think of others but we dont want to get into any copyright issues with the producers. I hope you re-think your decision about leaving as your other contributions in the talk pages have been great --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 13:49, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::what Mercifull said. Personally, it was hard to get use to posting here after being involve with other online forums and communities. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:59, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::It's easy for me 'cause on other forums I don't link to that kinda junk anyway. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Obviously''' there is more than a little frustration over not being able to connect outside the US. I'm not sure about the UK and other countries, but I do know that Canada's Space Channel has bought the show to broadcast on pretty much the same dates as in the US. This makes the fact that we Canadians(and anyone else who is going to see the show boadcast legally on television on October outside the US) would really benefit from being able to access the webisodes...we will watch the premier on Space, just like everyone else, except we are forced to result to illegal means to see the webisodes. I know this is a novelty, and perhaps the websiode content won't greatly affect the regularly aired shows, but really, I truly feel that this is a bad mistake on SciFi's behalf...and maybe even on Canada's Space Channel's Behalf for not seeking to host the webisodes on their Canadian site. It'll be something that they can claim as "EXTRA SPECIAL" on the DVD releases perhaps..but I think that once that is done, it becomes "bonus material" for the DVD and no longer the exciting and unique experience of participating with everyone else, waiting expectantly for the next five minute morsel to whet our appetites for the coming season...instead we have to lurk around in the dark and worry that maybe YOUTUBE is going to cut us off. We are fans and we all want the same great experience.

Maybe this isn't the place to debate...but I think I'll be writing both SciFi and SPACE to see how they can make a better, more rounded fan experience for an evidently GLOBAL audience.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

==Cast & Crew announced==
Now that Ron Moore has [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ announced] the full cast and crew listing of the webisodes, it may be better to have a crew section and a cast section instead of listing the cast under each of the ten recaps. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 21:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agree, but we should make when we saw each cast memeber. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:29, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Sister Tivenan ==
I'd imagine the pirestess I didn't recognize in webisode 2 was the Sister Tivenan in those credits by elimination. That does not leave me quite comfortable with claiming her as identified. I didn't find a Tivenan by search here, so I'd assume she's a new character. I solicit opinions. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 23:54, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:She appears to be a completely new character.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 06:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doral/Number Five ==

It seems like such a trivial thing to bring up, but I notice that the Wiki credits (anticipating his future appearance) now refer to Matthew Bennett's role as [[Number Five]] even though Ron's blog specifically refers to his role as [[Doral]] and that he is referred to as a Doral model in several episodes (including "[[Litmus]]".) Rather than revert it back, I'll just note the change and leave it up here as something to resolve until he makes his webisode debut.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 07:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:There are many Fives but only one Aaron Doral, and there's no indication that it's him. RDM refers to models other than Sixes as "D'annas", "Dorals", "Sharons" etc. for simplicity's sake. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Episode 3?==

So, uh, where the heck's Episode 3? It's not up! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:11, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:Whoops, never mind. Episode 3 went up at 12 ''PM'' eastern as opposed to 12 ''AM'' Eastern. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:13, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. :) I just finshed watching it. It was ok. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::My silly school blocks streaming video :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:16, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Official Sources==
Thinking about moving the contract dispute stuff down the page into an Official Sources section. I find it distracting where it is. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:51, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Webisodes links==

Is it okay to add links to the webisodes? I searched the source of the article but didn't see any. What about removing the comments of Jetstorm316 above, or for that matter how about all the comments that folks made without reading the webisodes FAQ which is linked to on all the webisode pages? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 16:41, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: What kind of links are we talking about here? Are we talking about the official Scifi.com links? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 17:05, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Yes, such as /battlestar/video/webisodes/01/ (with the scifi dot com added to the front of course). [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 17:35, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Done. thanks for noticing that frakup. Also, the removed contents of Jetstorm was link(s) to "unofficial" copies. Can't link directly to FAQ because it is java popup from SciFi.com. May post relevant part to official statements. Thanks again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:00, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Swt, thanks and your welcome. The FAQ can be seen here http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html I meant removing Jetstorms comments on this Talk page, maybe remove contents of the Connectivity?!? and replace it with the FAQ url? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Why one page?==
Why not have seperate pages for each webisode? Even the TVIV has seperate pages for each webisode. That's pretty embarrassing that the battlestarwiki has inferior coverage of something Battlestar related. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:42, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance/Archive 1

2006-09-14T22:35:31Z

Eghm: /* Webisodes links */ yes official scifi links

Talk:Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance/Archive 1

2006-09-14T21:41:23Z

Eghm: A few questions about additions and deletions

DRADIS

2006-09-05T07:34:54Z

Eghm: home for DRADIS image from the island of misfit images

{{Wrongtitle|title=DRADIS}}

[[Image:Dradisscreen.jpg|thumb|A typical DRADIS read-out]]
DRADIS ('''D'''irection, '''RA'''nge, and '''DIS'''tance) is a detection, identification and tracking system, somewhat similar to [[Wikipedia:Radar|radar]], used aboard [[Colonial Fleet]] spacecraft.

DRADIS can be used in stationary configurations as well on ships. A group of [[Centurion]]s were able to jury-rig a DRADIS assembly from their [[Heavy Raider]] into a stationary DRADIS tracking array in an attempt to shoot down a [[SAR]] mission from ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Fragged]]).

Carbon composites are largely invisible to DRADIS scans ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

A ''DRADIS contact'' is an object or objects detected by the DRADIS sensor system. Contacts are typically identified by cross-referencing with an [[IFF]] system (in the case of ships) or an astronomical database (in the instance of planets or other celestial bodies).

The symbols used on Colonial DRADIS displays for the representation of [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestars]], [[Raptor|Raptors]], and [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are visible in the picture to the right.
[[Image:Dradissymbol pegasus.JPG|thumb|DRADIS symbology for various Colonial Fleet units ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])]]

[[Image:radalm_217_1080i.jpg|thumb|DRADIS Warning of Radiological Alarm ([[The Captain's Hand]])]] DRADIS is also used to report [[Radiological Alarm]]s as well as timer countdowns. [[Image:Dradiscountdown_101_1080i.jpg|thumb|DRADIS countdown ([[33]])]]

DRADIS is likely a central component of the [[Computers|Navigation computer]] on ''Galactica''.

== Notes ==

*"DRADIS" is an unfortunate acronym, since "range" and "distance" are redundant with each other.

:The "'''D'''irection, '''RA'''nge, and '''DIS'''tance" breakdown of the acronym "DRADIS" was listed in an [http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/battlestar/season1/galactica-ms1.pdf early manuscript] (PDF) of the first half of the [[Miniseries]]. Since some major elements of this script were changed (such as Kobol being the sole home of the Colonies, and not separate worlds) in comparison to the completed teleplay, canonical use of this breakdown should be taken with some skepticism.

:However, there still is some evidence to suggest that the original breakdown is the canon version. In "Kobol's Last Gleaming Pt. 1" Crashdown performs a DRADIS sweep of Kobol. That aerial survey is then presented to the President. For a brief moment as she is just taking the survey image out of Billy's hand you can see the DRADIS information printed on the image. The letters on the image are clear and are as follows:

:Aerial Survey
D. 41376
Ra. 145.8
Dis. 43.5

:The numbers may not be accurate or complete as we cannot see much further to the right of the image. However, given that the letters do represent numerical values, most fan-suggested alternatives for the breakdown of DRADIS would seem to be unlikely. While this is not conclusive evidence, it is consistent with the orignal manuscript definition.

*The [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] counterpart to DRADIS was simply referred to as the [[Scanner]].

*In "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", some fans believe that Starbuck said "The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme ''radar'' range from the Cylon asteroid", which would be a continuity error. Others believed that actress Katee Sackhoff said "extreme ''Raider'' range", the range of the Raiders from the Cylon base, and that she just slurred the word "Raider" slightly so it sounded vaguely like "radar". The matter was put to rest when ''BattlestarWiki'' [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#"Radar" gaffe in "The Hand of God"|asked]] the writer of this episode, [[Bradley Thompson]], and he said that the line in the script was "...extreme Viper range..."; the final line must have been looped in during post-production without his input (probably to keep from spoiling the plot) and he confirmed that the final line sounded like "Raider". Also, he confirmed that "radar" does not exist on the series at all.

== See Also ==

* [[Dradis Console]]

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Technology]]
[[Category:Terminology]]

Battlestar Wiki talk:Community Portal/Fan Sites

2006-09-05T07:23:12Z

Eghm:

An interesting question: are we going to link every possible BSG page on here, that is, I think we could all agree that someon's MySpace page should ''not'' be posted here, but is there a "cutoff" of things we won't have links to because it's just small scale stuff, repeating information from other sites?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 22:16, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

Would game mods fall under this category? Our Homeworld2 Battlestar Galactica mod ([http://hw2bsg.sf.net HW2BSG]) has been going over a year. There is a Freespace BSG mod (Beyond the Red Line) which has been going on longer (currently they are moving to a new site so no url). --[[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 02:07, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:nice. Sure. I don't see why not. Let me doing a new section. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 02:15, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::thanks, and thanks. -- [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 02:23, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki:Community Portal/Fan Sites

2006-09-05T07:21:31Z

Eghm: HW2BSG under new Viedo Games section

* [http://www.gateworld.net/galactica GateWorld's BSG News Page]
* [http://bsgtns.com/ bsgtns.com (aka galactica2003.net)]
* [http://www.galacticastation.com/ Galactica Station]
* [http://www.battlestarblog.com/ Battlestar Blog]
* [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 Subject2Discussion]

* [http://www.st-hypertext.com/bsg-1/bsg-1idx.html Jammer's Reviews]
* [http://www.scifi2u.com/Battlestar.htm SciFi2U Battlestar Info and Episodes]
* [http://www.infinitebattlestar.com/ Infinite Battlestar]

* [http://www.cdfcommand.com/ Colonial Defence Forces]

* [http://galactica.sfcentar.com Galactica Centar (Croatian)]
* [http://www.battlestarfanclub.de/ Battlestar Fan Club - Germany]
* [http://caprica-city.de Caprica City (German)]

* [http://en.chainki.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Galactica_Series Chainki.org BSG Links]
* [http://www.battlestaronline.com/ BattlestarOnline.com - News & Merchandise]

'''Video Games'''
* [http://hw2bsg.sourceforge.net Homeworld2 Battlestar Galactica mod (HW2BSG)]

Battlestar Wiki talk:Community Portal/Fan Sites

2006-09-05T07:07:43Z

Eghm: what about game mods?

User talk:Eghm

2006-09-03T18:34:24Z

Eghm: /* Quote 09 9 */

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
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==Quote 09 9==
You quote selection is actually a "triplicate" (See 10 18 and 06 5). To search the quote namespace, click on the "SEARCH" button on the main page. Make sure the only box checked is "Quotes". Enter search term(s). In this case, I used "babies". Why don't you find another quote to replace it? (Learning by doing :)). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:34, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
:Oh, I did search, I assumed Main was everything, now I see it is not. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 12:54, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
::I learned that the hard way, too. :) --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:58, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

Quotes:09 9

2006-09-03T17:55:17Z

Eghm: Remove dup quote

User talk:Eghm

2006-09-03T17:54:32Z

Eghm:

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
Welcome to the Wiki, Eghm. Feel free to tell us about yourself on [[User:Eghm|your user page]]. Before you get started on other edits, please read the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]], which details the policies we use in editing pages (this differs from many other wikis in its particular use of verb tense, abbreviations, formatting, and the like). If you need help in learning how to use the MediaWiki tools supported here, you can check out the [[BW:TUT|tutorial]] and the [[BW:MARK|wiki markup code]] pages for assistance.

Please read the articles [[Battlestar Wiki:What is Battlestar Wiki|"What is Battlestar Wiki"]] and [[Battlestar Wiki:What Battlestar Wiki is not|"What Battlestar Wiki is Not."]] This important information details what contributions are acceptable in this encyclopedia.

We encourage you to participate in any [[Battlestar Wiki:Project List|projects]] on Battlestar Wiki, which work to enhance a particular subject or extension of the wiki. These include the [[Battlestar Wiki:Original Series Article Development Project|Original Series Article Development Project]] and several [[Battlestar Wiki:Translation Project|language translations of Battlestar Wiki]]. If you have a new idea for a new project, visit the [[BW:TANK|Think Tank]], where we hash out large-scale ideas before implementing them.

Also, if you have any questions or suggestions you wish to offer, please feel free to do so either on an article's talk page that's relevant to the subject, the [[Battlestar Wiki:Wikipedian Quorum|Wikipedian Quorum]] or [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|the Administrators' noticeboard]]. Remember to sign your posts on any talk pages using four tildes (~~~~)!

We look forward to your contributions to the community!
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==Quote 09 9==
You quote selection is actually a "triplicate" (See 10 18 and 06 5). To search the quote namespace, click on the "SEARCH" button on the main page. Make sure the only box checked is "Quotes". Enter search term(s). In this case, I used "babies". Why don't you find another quote to replace it? (Learning by doing :)). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:34, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

Oh, I did search, I assumed Main was everything, now I see it is not. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 12:54, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

Quotes:09 9

2006-09-03T16:48:47Z

Eghm: Quote - They better start having babies

'''Commander [[William Adama]]''': They better start having babies.<br/>
'''Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]''': ''(after long pause)'' Is that an order?<br/>
--''[[Miniseries]]'', preparing to leave Ragnar

Talk:Radiological alarm/Archive 1

2006-09-03T16:06:54Z

Eghm: remove discussion, linking to DRADIS is done

Radiological alarm

2006-09-03T16:06:10Z

Eghm: link the word DRADIS to the DRADIS page

[[Image:radalm_217_1080i.jpg|thumb|[[DRADIS]] Warning of Radiological Alarm ([[The Captain's Hand]])]]
A '''radiological alarm''' is a special sensor aboard a [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and its fighters or other Colonial support vessel that detects the unique and powerful radiation signature of a nuclear device, particularly that of a nuclear weapon such as a missile. On battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'', any radiation detection and corrosponding alarms appear to be tied into the central communications console at Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]'s station in the [[Combat Information Center]]<ref name="rad1">In the [[Miniseries]], Dualla receives a radiological alarm moments before Lieutenant Thrace destroys a [[Cylon Raider]] and two of the three nuclear-tipped missiles that it launches during the first dogfight for ''Galactica'' in the [[Cylon attack]]. Given that many other missiles were fired at ''Galactica'' at the time, it reasons well that Starbuck's Viper identified the specific Raider with the radiation signature through her in-flight instruments, and her Viper relayed this data back to ''Galactica'' and to Dualla's station.</ref>. It is likely that the detector is tuned to detect [[Plutonium|plutonium]] radiation frequently used on nuclear weapons used by [[Cylon]] fighters and [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]].

While it is likely that a battlestar has its own radiation detector, the radiation detection process appears to be greatly extendable throughout [[wireless]] telemetry from a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] or [[Raptor]] intercepts, which have radiological detectors/alarms as well. When a Viper or Raptor detects a radiation signature, that information appears to be immediately relayed by the craft's wireless telemetry back to the home battlestar<ref name="rad2">This sequence of events from "[[33]]" supports radiological detection via wireless telemetry from interceptors:

::''Aboard [[Raptor 478]], accompanying Viper pilots [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]:''
:::'''[[Crashdown]]''': Cylons on intercept course. They'll be in weapons range, within...two minutes. Oh, [[frak]] me--radiological alarm!

::''Aboard ''Galactica'', in the [[CIC]], seconds later''

:::'''Dualla''': Radiological alarm!
:::'''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]]''': From where?
:::'''Dualla''': The ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', sir. They've got nukes onboard.</ref>. This method of detection in using Colonial fighters and support craft creates an effective method against the likelihood of a Cylon nuclear sneak attack against the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. It's likely that the radiation detection sweep is maintained at all times through the [[Combat Air Patrol]] during [[Action Stations|Condition Three]] threat levels.

It appears that radiological sensors are either tuned to ignore certain devices with nuclear material, or sensors or sweeps to detect radiological dangers are not always present in a battlestar. When a [[Demand Peace]] member is released from ''Galactica's'' brig ([[Black Market]]), he smuggles away one of the battlestar's nuclear warheads, given to him by [[Gaius Baltar]] (who, in turn, receives it from Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] for use in building his [[Cylon detector]]).

Despite the transfer of that warhead off-ship to ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' (where it's eventually detonated by [[Cylon agent]] [[Gina]]), the battlestar's command is unaware of its removal from the ship until the explosion. As the device was indeed one of ''Galactica's'' weapons, either the radiological detection process is not done within the ship, the weapon was somehow shielded, or the sensors may be told to ignore warheads with a specific radiation signature or tracking signal.

Similarly, the plot of "[[Flesh and Bone]]" hinged around a [[Leoben Conoy]] copy claiming that he had planted a nuclear bomb somewhere in the Fleet. Starbuck interogates the Cylon agent because ''Galactica'' and her Raptors could not scan the entire fleet within so short a timespan. Taken together, this would seem to indicate that radiological signatures may vary in strength, making some easier or difficult to detect. In addition, searchers must know what kind of radiological signature to scan for; a military nuclear warhead may emit a different (and likely more obvious) signature than a "homegrown" bomb and must be distinguishable from ship machinery and local celestial disturbances.

Radiological scans on incoming ships appear to be managed automatically as standard procedure on all [[DRADIS]] contacts. The dubious return of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' heightened suspicions of the Colonials, but the radiological detection occurred automatically as a Raptor escort approached the liner ([[33]]).

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2006-09-02T19:57:35Z

Eghm: where to add a link to DRADIS?

I'ld like to add a link to [[Dradis]] from this page (notice the picture of the alert on DRADIS), though I'm not sure where to squeeze it in... [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 14:57, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

DRADIS

2006-09-02T19:46:14Z

Eghm: link to Radiological Alarm and display DRADIS radiological alarm picture

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[[Image:Dradisscreen.jpg|thumb|A typical DRADIS read-out]]
DRADIS ('''D'''irection, '''RA'''nge, and '''DIS'''tance) is a detection, identification and tracking system, somewhat similar to [[Wikipedia:Radar|radar]], used aboard [[Colonial Fleet]] spacecraft.

DRADIS can be used in stationary configurations as well on ships. A group of [[Centurion]]s were able to jury-rig a DRADIS assembly from their [[Heavy Raider]] into a stationary DRADIS tracking array in an attempt to shoot down a [[SAR]] mission from ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Fragged]]).

Carbon composites are largely invisible to DRADIS scans ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

A ''DRADIS contact'' is an object or objects detected by the DRADIS sensor system. Contacts are typically identified by cross-referencing with an [[IFF]] system (in the case of ships) or an astronomical database (in the instance of planets or other celestial bodies).

The symbols used on Colonial DRADIS displays for the representation of [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestars]], [[Raptor|Raptors]], and [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are visible in the picture to the right.
[[Image:Dradissymbol pegasus.JPG|thumb|DRADIS symbology for various Colonial Fleet units ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])]]

[[Image:radalm_217_1080i.jpg|thumb|DRADIS Warning of Radiological Alarm ([[The Captain's Hand]])]] DRADIS is also used to report [[Radiological Alarm]]s.

DRADIS is likely a central component of the [[Computers|Navigation computer]] on ''Galactica''.

== Notes ==

*"DRADIS" is an unfortunate acronym, since "range" and "distance" are redundant with each other.

:The "'''D'''irection, '''RA'''nge, and '''DIS'''tance" breakdown of the acronym "DRADIS" was listed in an [http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/battlestar/season1/galactica-ms1.pdf early manuscript] (PDF) of the first half of the [[Miniseries]]. Since some major elements of this script were changed (such as Kobol being the sole home of the Colonies, and not separate worlds) in comparison to the completed teleplay, canonical use of this breakdown should be taken with some skepticism.

:However, there still is some evidence to suggest that the original breakdown is the canon version. In "Kobol's Last Gleaming Pt. 1" Crashdown performs a DRADIS sweep of Kobol. That aerial survey is then presented to the President. For a brief moment as she is just taking the survey image out of Billy's hand you can see the DRADIS information printed on the image. The letters on the image are clear and are as follows:

:Aerial Survey
D. 41376
Ra. 145.8
Dis. 43.5

:The numbers may not be accurate or complete as we cannot see much further to the right of the image. However, given that the letters do represent numerical values, most fan-suggested alternatives for the breakdown of DRADIS would seem to be unlikely. While this is not conclusive evidence, it is consistent with the orignal manuscript definition.

*The [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] counterpart to DRADIS was simply referred to as the [[Scanner]].

*In "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", some fans believe that Starbuck said "The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme ''radar'' range from the Cylon asteroid", which would be a continuity error. Others believed that actress Katee Sackhoff said "extreme ''Raider'' range", the range of the Raiders from the Cylon base, and that she just slurred the word "Raider" slightly so it sounded vaguely like "radar". The matter was put to rest when ''BattlestarWiki'' [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#"Radar" gaffe in "The Hand of God"|asked]] the writer of this episode, [[Bradley Thompson]], and he said that the line in the script was "...extreme Viper range..."; the final line must have been looped in during post-production without his input (probably to keep from spoiling the plot) and he confirmed that the final line sounded like "Raider". Also, he confirmed that "radar" does not exist on the series at all.

== See Also ==

* [[Dradis Console]]

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2006-09-02T19:31:03Z

Eghm: very brief intro

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