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Season 1 (2004-05)

2006-02-21T14:34:32Z

Dreamer: Season 1 DVD Box = R1 Season 1 DVD Box

[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|R1 Season 1 DVD Box]]
==Summary==

: ''After the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] genocidal attack on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], a rag-tag fugitive fleet under the aegis of the [[battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' tackles the problems inherent of their evasive flight from their murderers.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==

*There are [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon infiltrators that resemble humans]] in the Fleet. These infiltrators may or may not know their true [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] natures, such as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]].
*[[Laura Roslin]] is treating her cancer using [[Chamalla]] extract, the result of which are hallucinations that seem to fit with the writings of the oracle [[Pythia]].
*The issues surrounding the death of [[Zak Adama]] still remain a point of contention between [[Lee Adama]] and his father, [[William Adama]]. [[Kara Thrace]] reveals to them the truth, which opened some reconciliation for the Adamas.
*[[Gaius Baltar]] has been commissioned to create a [[Cylon detector]]. While early attempts at this were a ruse, he later perfects the device, only to hide its results for fear of discovery of his part in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
*''[[Galactica]]'' must tackle issues dealing with basic ship and human requirements, including but not limited to water ([[Water]]) and ship fuel [[tylium]] ([[The Hand of God]]).
*The Colonials' religious beliefs are polytheistic, whereas the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]s religious beliefs are monotheistic in nature, with their beliefs appearing to indicate that the Cylons were fated to destroy mankind.
*Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer) begins questioning her existence and whether or not she may be a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]].
*[[Karl Agathon|Helo]], still surviving on Cylon-occupied [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], is involved in a mysterious plan with other [[Humano-Cylon]]s, using [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|a copy of Sharon Valerii]].
*The Cylons appear to know the Pythian Scriptures better than the Colonials, and are manipulating or anticipating events based on the writings.
*The entire fleet and its leaders are shaken and tested by each other and the Cylons as they stumble unto the home of humanity, [[Kobol]], and attempt to discover the secrets of the thirteenth Colony, [[Earth]].

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as Commander [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as President [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as Captain [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Sharon Valerii]]
===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as CPO [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lieutenat [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer 2nd Class [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Harvey+Frand Harvey Frand] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors===
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Angeli Michael Angeli]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Marita+Grabiak Marita Grabiak]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Rod+Hardy Rod Hardy]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alan+Kroeker Alan Kroeker]
* [[Edward James Olmos]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jonas+Pate Jonas Pate]
* [[Michael Rymer]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Woolnough Jeff Woolnough]

===Writing Staff===
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Carla+Robinson Carla Robinson]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Bradley+Thompson Bradley Thompson]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brad+Turner Brad Turner]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Vlaming Jeff Vlaming]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+David+Weddle David Weddle]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young]

==Episodes==
*[[Mini-Series]] (2003, [[backdoor pilot]])
===Season 1 (2004-05)===
*1.01 [[33]]
*1.02 [[Water]]
*1.03 [[Bastille Day]]
*1.04 [[Act of Contrition]]
*1.05 [[You Can't Go Home Again]]
*1.06 [[Litmus]]
*1.07 [[Six Degrees of Separation]]
*1.08 [[Flesh and Bone]]
*1.09 [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]] (draft title: [[Secrets and Lies]])
*1.10 [[The Hand of God]]
*1.11 [[Colonial Day]]
*1.12 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]
*1.13 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]

== Official Statements ==

* "I've noticed in the new scripts that [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]] will write to the rythms of the actors now. Which isn't always a good thing, you know, actors can get into certain tricks and bad habits, but you know everyone has their own personality, their own way of speaking." -- [[Michael Rymer]], [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_02_320.mov]

* "And the writers have started to write characters in our speech patterns, like the way that we talk, which is really interesting. So they're picking up on us and adding that into the character. It's nice. It makes it easier to memorize lines, because it's the way that you talk." -- [[Katee Sackhoff]], [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_02_320.mov]

* ''"I love the [[Cottle|smoking doctor]]! Does he have a name? Isn't sickbay a little small considering the size of ''[[Galactica]]''?"''

: I love the doctor too. The character's name is [[Cottle|Major Cottle]] and I think we're only seeing one part of one [[Sickbay]] on the ship. It's worth keeping in mind that while ''[[Galactica]]'' is an enormous ship and was built to be manned by a very large crew, that she had only a skeleton complement on board at the time of the [[Cylon Attack|Cylon attack]]. That explains in large part why we see so few officers and why people like Kara are pressed into service in roles other than their primary one. There are probably several (unused) [[Pilot Ready Rooms]] aboard ''Galactica'' and possibly other Sickbay facilities as well. Dr. Cottle is our only physician onboard, but if she were fully staffed, ''Galactica'' would probably have a large medical staff and would have a sizable hospital facility.

* ''" Will we see the mess hall and other part of the ship such as the main Kitchen where all the meals are prepared."''

:I'd like to. It's a question of budget; there has to be a story point or scene so cool that we just have to build this set. The Head (bathroom to you lubbers) was built in the [[33|pilot]] specifically so we'd have it around during the series. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Its highly unlikley that episodes 1 thru 13 were filmed in chronological order. Can you tell us in which order they were filmed in. This might give the veiwers a little more insight as to how the cast bonded over the shooting schedule as well as explain how some preformances might be rigid in certain episodes and become more flushed out in others."''

:Actually, the episodes were all filmed chronologically. You're probably confusing the production order with how individual episodes are filmed, which is not chronological. Scenes within an episode are often filmed out of sequence for efficiency, i.e. shooting all the [[CIC]] scenes, then all the [[Hangar Deck]] scenes, then all the ''[[Colonial One]]'' scenes, etc. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''(regarding [[Karl Agathon]]'s plight on [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]-occupied [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]) "My boss at my place of employment has a father named John C. Agathon who was the radar navigator of a B-24 Liberator bomber that was shot down in WWII. He spent some time running from the nazi's and hiding in farm houses until he finally managed to make his way to friendly territory. Oh and I double-checked with my boss and his father DID sustain a leg injury related to the crash.

:It could just be a coincidence, but it's one hell of a coincidence. "''

:It is one hell of a coincidence. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 1 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
* [[Season 1 DVD]]
* [[Soundtrack (Season 1)]]

{{Episode List}}

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[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
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Season 1 DVD

2006-02-10T14:27:23Z

Dreamer:

[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|right|Region 1 DVD Case]]
[[Image:firstseasondvdr2.jpg|thumb|right|Region 2 DVD Case]]
There are various DVD versions for the first season of the re-imagined [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]], most notably:

# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1)'''
# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2)'''

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1) ==

* Release Date: September 20, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 5

The set contains not only all the episodes from [[Season 1 (2004-05)|season one]], but also contains the [[Miniseries]] episodes. Subtitles are availble in Spanish. Some of the episodes have commentary from [[Michael Rymer]], [[David Eick]], and [[Ronald D. Moore]]. An entire disc is devoted to featurettes about the series.

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2) ==

* Release Date: March 28, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 4

This is the R2 version that contains solely the Season 1 episodes of the re-imagined [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]].

==External Links==

*[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/102-8409210-0972100?n=130 R1 DVD at Amazon.com]
*[http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/709720/-/Product.html R1 DVD at Playusa.com]
*[http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA8/qid=1139579497/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/026-1506645-0122865 R2 DVD at Amazon.co.uk]
*[http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=title&r=R2&title=581474 R2 DVD at Play.com]

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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Memorabilia]]

Season 1 DVD

2006-02-10T14:27:08Z

Dreamer: Cosmetic change

[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|right|Region 1 DVD Case]]
[[Image:firstseasondvdr2.jpg|thumb|right|Region 2 DVD Case]]
There are various DVD versions for the first season of the re-imagined [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]], most notably:

# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1)'''
# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2)'''

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1) ==

* Release Date: September 20, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 5

The set contains not only all the episodes from [[Season 1 (2004-05)|season one]], but also contains the [[Miniseries]] episodes. Subtitles are availble in Spanish. Some of the episodes have commentary from [[Michael Rymer]], [[David Eick]], and [[Ronald D. Moore]]. An entire disc is devoted to featurettes about the series.

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2) ==

* Release Date: March 28, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 4

This is the R2 version that contains solely the Season 1 episodes of the re-imagined[[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]].

==External Links==

*[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/102-8409210-0972100?n=130 R1 DVD at Amazon.com]
*[http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/709720/-/Product.html R1 DVD at Playusa.com]
*[http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA8/qid=1139579497/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/026-1506645-0122865 R2 DVD at Amazon.co.uk]
*[http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=title&r=R2&title=581474 R2 DVD at Play.com]

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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Memorabilia]]

Season 1 DVD

2006-02-10T14:26:19Z

Dreamer: Battlestar Galactica=re-imagined Battlestar Galactica

[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|right|Region 1 DVD Case]]
[[Image:firstseasondvdr2.jpg|thumb|right|Region 2 DVD Case]]
There are various DVD versions for the first season of the re-imagined [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]], most notably:

# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1)'''
# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2)'''

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1) ==

* Release Date: September 20, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 5

The set contains not only all the episodes from [[Season 1 (2004-05)|season one]], but also contains the [[Miniseries]] episodes. Subtitles are availble in Spanish. Some of the episodes have commentary from [[Michael Rymer]], [[David Eick]], and [[Ronald D. Moore]]. An entire disc is devoted to featurettes about the series.

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2) ==

* Release Date: March 28, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 4

This is the R2 version that contains solely the Season 1 episodes of [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica]].

==External Links==

*[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/102-8409210-0972100?n=130 R1 DVD at Amazon.com]
*[http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/709720/-/Product.html R1 DVD at Playusa.com]
*[http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA8/qid=1139579497/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/026-1506645-0122865 R2 DVD at Amazon.co.uk]
*[http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=title&r=R2&title=581474 R2 DVD at Play.com]

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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Memorabilia]]

Season 1 DVD

2006-02-10T14:25:07Z

Dreamer: Cosmetic Change (noeditsection)

[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|right|Region 1 DVD Case]]
[[Image:firstseasondvdr2.jpg|thumb|right|Region 2 DVD Case]]
There are various DVD versions for the first season of the re-imagined [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]], most notably:

# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1)'''
# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2)'''

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1) ==

* Release Date: September 20, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 5

The set contains not only all the episodes from [[Season 1 (2004-05)|season one]], but also contains the [[Miniseries]] episodes. Subtitles are availble in Spanish. Some of the episodes have commentary from [[Michael Rymer]], [[David Eick]], and [[Ronald D. Moore]]. An entire disc is devoted to featurettes about the series.

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2) ==

* Release Date: March 28, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 4

This is the R2 version that contains solely the Season 1 episodes of [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]].

==External Links==

*[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/102-8409210-0972100?n=130 R1 DVD at Amazon.com]
*[http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/709720/-/Product.html R1 DVD at Playusa.com]
*[http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA8/qid=1139579497/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/026-1506645-0122865 R2 DVD at Amazon.co.uk]
*[http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=title&r=R2&title=581474 R2 DVD at Play.com]

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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Memorabilia]]

Season 1 DVD

2006-02-10T14:16:30Z

Dreamer: Added Region 2 DVD Image

[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|right|Region 1 DVD Case]]
[[Image:firstseasondvdr2.jpg|thumb|right|Region 2 DVD Case]]
There are various DVD versions for the first season of the re-imagined [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]], most notably:

# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1)'''
# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2)'''

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1) ==

* Release Date: September 20, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 5

The set contains not only all the episodes from [[Season 1 (2004-05)|season one]], but also contains the [[Miniseries]] episodes. Subtitles are availble in Spanish. Some of the episodes have commentary from [[Michael Rymer]], [[David Eick]], and [[Ronald D. Moore]]. An entire disc is devoted to featurettes about the series.

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2) ==

* Release Date: March 28, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 4

This is the R2 version that contains solely the Season 1 episodes of [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]].

==External Links==

*[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/102-8409210-0972100?n=130 R1 DVD at Amazon.com]
*[http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/709720/-/Product.html R1 DVD at Playusa.com]
*[http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA8/qid=1139579497/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/026-1506645-0122865 R2 DVD at Amazon.co.uk]
*[http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=title&r=R2&title=581474 R2 DVD at Play.com]

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Memorabilia]]

Season 1 DVD

2006-02-10T14:13:52Z

Dreamer: Stylistic change

[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|right|Region 1 DVD Case]]

There are various DVD versions for the first season of the re-imagined [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]], most notably:

# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1)'''
# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2)'''

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1) ==

* Release Date: September 20, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 5

The set contains not only all the episodes from [[Season 1 (2004-05)|season one]], but also contains the [[Miniseries]] episodes. Subtitles are availble in Spanish. Some of the episodes have commentary from [[Michael Rymer]], [[David Eick]], and [[Ronald D. Moore]]. An entire disc is devoted to featurettes about the series.

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2) ==

* Release Date: March 28, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 4

This is the R2 version that contains solely the Season 1 episodes of [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]].

==External Links==

*[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/102-8409210-0972100?n=130 R1 DVD at Amazon.com]
*[http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/709720/-/Product.html R1 DVD at Playusa.com]
*[http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA8/qid=1139579497/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/026-1506645-0122865 R2 DVD at Amazon.co.uk]
*[http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=title&r=R2&title=581474 R2 DVD at Play.com]

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Memorabilia]]

Season 1 DVD

2006-02-10T14:08:22Z

Dreamer: Multiple additions

[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|right]]

There are various DVD versions for the first season of the re-imagined [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]], most notably:

# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1)'''
# '''Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2)'''

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 1) ==

* Release Date: September 20, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 5

The set contains not only all the episodes from [[Season 1 (2004-05)|season one]], but also contains the [[Miniseries]] episodes. Subtitles are availble in Spanish. Some of the episodes have commentary from [[Michael Rymer]], [[David Eick]], and [[Ronald D. Moore]]. An entire disc is devoted to featurettes about the series.

== Battlestar Galactica - Season 1 (Region 2) ==

* Release Date: March 28, 2005
* Number Of Discs: 4

This is the R2 version that contains solely the Season 1 episodes of [[Battlestar_Galactica_(RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]].

==External Links==

*[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/102-8409210-0972100?n=130 R1 DVD at Amazon.com]
*[http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/709720/-/Product.html R1 DVD at Playusa.com]
*[http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA8/qid=1139579497/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/026-1506645-0122865 R2 DVD at Amazon.co.uk]
*[http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=title&r=R2&title=581474 R2 DVD at Play.com]

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Memorabilia]]

Talk:Trivia/Archive 1

2006-02-09T23:54:15Z

Dreamer:

== Appropriateness of this article ==

I hate to drill into Dreamer's first article with us when he/she just got here, but I'm not sure if this article is specific enough for the wiki. We have many bits of trivia in the Notes section of many articles, like the sighting of [[The Fleet (RDM)#Notes|other SF ships]] in the miniseries. Tricia's and Grace's data could be placed in their bios. Comments? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:50, 7 February 2006 (EST)

:Agree. The "[[Re-imagined Series References]]" page is a good source for most non-biographical trivia, which is best located within the appropriate articles. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:55, 7 February 2006 (EST)

:: Greetings to you all and I must say, I'm surprised by the immediate attention my additions got, thanks :) What Spencerian says is very true, all data herein can be contained elsewhere in the wiki or nowhere at all. However, my personal feeling is that:
:: - Certain people are interested in tidbits regarding their favorite series in general, not only focused on certain actors/characters/objects et al. Personally, I check the IMDB trivia page constantly.
:: - For those who do, it's better for them to acquire those tidbits from a specific page rather than "mine" through the whole site to get that information. --[[User:Dreamer|Dreamer]] 00:08, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::No. If they wanted to look at "trivia" they would look at the "Notes" section of the main article page for [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]]. Creating a separate trivia page linked only from there is a tad redundant. The place for such trivia would be in the handy "notes" section.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:50, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::: Point taken, although notes still will not cover individuals who want to focus on trivia and use that as criteria to obtain wanted information in the sense I mentioned above. --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 01:19, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:::Yes, yes they do. Notes sections are a great already existing and easy to use way to find trivia information on characters and actors. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:16, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::::Further, we already have the dedicated [[Re-imagined Series References]] page. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:53, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::::: Since you feel so strong about it, I'll just be adding trivia on the appropriate "notes" sections. --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 18:54, 9 February 2006 (EST)

User talk:Spencerian

2006-02-09T23:49:39Z

Dreamer: spelling mistake

''For discussions prior to January 1, 2006, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpencerian&diff=21890&oldid=21664 click here.]''

== Citation Jihad ==

I hope my update settles the origin of the word "Godfrey". --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 10:00, 9 February 2006 (EST)
:Your update appears more accurate than any thus far, and with source. Nice work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:52, 9 February 2006 (EST)

:: Thank you, I also provided a source for Moore's comment about battlestar groups, buried a few paragraphs down inside the January 20 2005, 11:59 PM blog post (I always thought that.. to ...and smaller carriers as well.) --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 18:48, 9 February 2006 (EST)

== Thanks ==

For your comment and the welcome! Admittedly the entry walks a thin line in terms of RDM relativity and redundancy, however I believe it's one BSG fans are interested in, it provides a more general background for all things BSG and through it perhaps a better understanding of the series. Of course I may be part of a small minority saying this, but I'd at least like to see how the discussion goes on the trivia page before you obliterate my long, hard work from existence :) --[[User:Dreamer|Dreamer]] 00:30, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:Sure, Dreamer. It does look like we need to send this article away; but (as you noted elsewhere) as an online encyclopedia, the ease of finding information is as important as recording it. Take a look at the actor bios and see if there is a format or convention that would give consistancy to ensure that others who look for trivia can find it. But do note that "trivia" is just that; information that is least relevant, and so is less important in our pecking order here than the content of episodic or character articles. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:54, 8 February 2006 (EST)

*I am confused: it wasn't really "hard work"; only 5 times appeared on your Trivia page. Further, the two notes that Grace Park and Tricia Helfer are models-turned-actresses were already in their biographies, and the notation the Glen Larson was working on Knight Rider was also in his article. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:53, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:I was joking on the hard work part, hence the smiley. I consider it only a personal stub, as to continue upon it and add further data in the near future. --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 00:58, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::Gotcha. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:20, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==The CNP==

In the mini-series, Doral comes to Baltar on Ragnar with a list of civilian ships that have the CNP, which indicates that there are non-military ships with the program.

Furthermore, there are a '''lot''' of Vipers leaving the Galactica at Ragnar to engage the Cylons. I was under the impression there were only twenty Mark II Vipers aboard the Galactica, and that its original Mark VII squadron was destroyed on the way back to Caprica. Therefore, at least some of those Vipers might have been the survivors of other ships that made their way to Ragnar after Adama gave the order to rendezvous there for a counterattack.

Furthermore, later in the series, the Galactica seems to have an awful lot of Raptors, and Crashdown is described as being a refugee from the Triton, which IIRC was one of the battlestars destroyed around the time of the Atlantia. Therefore, it seems that some Raptors might have made their way there was well. The Raptors also have FTL (unlike, apparently, the Vipers) and judging by how the Raiders never tried to virus Boomer and Helo, Raptors might be less suspectible to Cylon interference, so any Raptors that escaped the destruction of their battlestars would have an easier time getting away from the Cylons then Vipers would.

Also, Dualla describes reports of system failures throughout the Fleet, and then describes how a battlestar lost power. How effective was the CNP with the capital ships? We've seen it used quite effectively on Vipers, but Dualla's description of its effects on battlestars is vague (power loss in at least one case and undescribed "system failures").

Congrats on being made Admin.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 12:16, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Hi, Mq59. I remember the scene with Doral (in CIC, Baltar was being "serviced" by virtual Six when he was interrupted) and will review it on my copy of the miniseries; you may be right on the CNP's use on civilian ships. As far as Crashdown's origination, it's not clear if he flew in on a Raptor (the largest of any refugee ship; no other indications show any other Colonial Fleet craft escaped to Ragnar) or even flew in at all; Valerii may have been kidding about a transfer he made from the ''Triton'' before the attack. We don't have enough information to pull a good speculation here, although I would defer it to escaped since we know Raptors have FTL ability and are small enough not to be noticed as well by Cylon forces. We just don't have any information from the Miniseries that additional ships made it. Raptors had CNP as well, but yes, since they are designed for electronic countermeasures, they may be less subceptible to infiltration, CNP or not. If you can find Doral's exact line to Baltar, that will be enough as a source. However, we shouldn't globally say that all civilian ships used the CNP; it's practical that commercial commerce ships, such as modern freighters, may use similar hardware from the same ship contractor that builds military ships and so have a similar specification for CNP. Most civilian ships, such as passenger liners, were just defenseless and easy to destroy, CNP or not.

:The CNP was very effective, obviously: all but two battlestars were destroyed. We saw in "Valley of Darkness" what happens when a battlestar is infected. We know that, while the battlestar may not have been fully shutdown like a fighter would, the number of systemic failures would be enough to leave a battlestar effectively defenseless and fodder for a basestar and her fighters. If a second Cylon fight occurred during "Valley", ''Galactica'' would have been screwed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:49, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Peter Farago found the "civilians with the CNP" quote and put it in the "Talk: CNP article."

I know no capital ships made it to Ragnar. However, it seemed they had too many Vipers and Raptors (the Vipers in the mini and the Raptors during the actual series) for an about-to-be-decommissioned ship.

The CNP worked--it seems like virtually all the Colonial Fleet was destroyed in a single day (not sure what length of time the miniseries actually covers, but it's not that long). I was curious about how effective it was and how many casualties the Cylons could have theoretically suffered.

I may write a fanfic called "The Death of the Poseidon" describing the destruction of a battlestar during the opening attack--the Raiders shut down virtually all of the Vipers and destroy the defenseless Raptors, but lose many Raiders trying to close with the "Poseidon" to trigger the CNP (a Raider "eye-dance" in the mini and "Flight of the Phoenix" seems to be the preferred way of jacking with the Colonials). The Poseidon's fire controls go haywire and main power shuts down, enabling the Cylons to launch a bunch of nukes. By the time they get the backups running, the nukes are too close to shoot down and BANG!

Hmm...if I make the battlestar the "Triton" instead of the "Poseidon," perhaps I can involve Crashdown.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 1:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Nice catch, MQ. I've readded your contribution with the source that Peter provided. Enlightening. For the Viper count, there is an article that tracks the number of Vipers, but it escapes me. [[Flight of the Phoenix]] has a notation on this. There are enough Vipers but fewer pilots nowandays. ''Galactica'' had two Mk.II squadrons at the start of the war.

:We don't host fan fiction here, of course, but I'm sure you'd have an audience for your story somewhere! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Does the Viper count include the mini-series? Four Vipers (I believe) were destroyed on-screen at the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. However, when the Vipers are launched, it looks like there are a lot more than the 30-odd Vipers they've got by "Flight of the Phoenix."

I saw the mini last night and Adama referred to "twenty Vipers" being in their museum section (the Mark IIs). Assuming Apollo left his Mark VII there when he took out his father's Mark II for a spin during the decommissioning, the other seven or so Mark VIIs they've got by "Flight" had to come from somewhere. This doesn't take casualties at Ragnar into account.

I have to actually start writing the story first. I've got one Internet project to finish within the next week or so, and classes for me (I am in college) resume Monday.--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 14:21, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:It's complicated. I'm currently keeping track of everything in the notes section of [[Galactica (RDM)]], but the matter may deserve its own article in the near future. My own impression, anyway, was that Galactica had two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (in active service out of the port flight pod) and one squadron ofn Mk. IIs (in the museum on the starboard pod). After the twenty Mk. VIIs in Ripper's squadron were destroyed, the Mk. IIs were reactivated, bringing the total to the (roughly) 40 fighters seen at the Ragnar battle. I'm not 100% sure of this, however, as there are still other sources to consult. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:33, 3 January 2006 (EST)

==Rank= Administrator==

OK. Now I'm jealous. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:51, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:''(yodaspeak)'' Be careful you should be, or [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|suffer my fate, you will!]] ''(/yodaspeak)'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:02, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:: '''''LOL!''''' --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 19:52, 4 January 2006 (EST)

==Welcome==
Thanks for the welcome - I probably won't be contributing all that much (admin duties on Wikipedia keep me busy, as well as the ''Doctor Who'' Wikiproject). Just had to correct some really nagging spelling mistakes. :) --[[User:Khaosworks|Khaosworks]] 17:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:I know the feeling. Joe (our admin) just empowered me and two others as sysops here, so I'm learning to budget my time--I used to be all over Wikipedia and their Matrix series pages until I found this place. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:27, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Editing User Pages==
From what I've learned of [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette|Wikiquette]] it is considered bad form to edit a user's page. However, I've been working the [[Special:Disambiguations|Disambiguations Page]] to try to get links pointed where they are intended to go, and one of the results on that page is a user page. I guess the first step would be to ask them to change it on their talk page, but considering their last contribution was a few months ago there's a good chance that they might never respond. I guess I should just let it go, but the OCD side of me wants the Disambuations Page to someday read like the Double Redirects page (0 results returned). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:58, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Sounds fine. Was this in reference to Day's adjustment on a link on my user page? It was understandable, so I ignored it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Oh, no. If I were to call out Day, I'd call him out. This was about my Viper disambig crusade today. [[User:Neochiiz3000]] has a link to Viper that I was thinking about switching to Viper (RDM). I've restrained myself, and the issue may resolve itself if we end up doing a redirect to Viper (RDM) off of Viper. If not, I'll ask first... and edit if there isn't a response for a while. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:39, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::Yeah, that sounds like the proper thing to do. As an admin, it should not be inappropriate for you to edit a user page after you ask for permission first and time elapses, or if the content of the page violates our policy. Yeah, I hope you had a script for that--how many pages did you DO!? You're going to wake up in a nightmare at 4 in the morning and scream "Viper!" --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:47, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Two things. One: Yeah, Steelviper. I broke my The <s>FLeet</s> Fleet purge into several phases (still not done as of this writing), so I would remain sane. Two: I felt that a) Spence would see the reasonability of my editing his user page that particular time and that b) he'd see my name by the edit and maybe be forgiving. However, this may be similar to the way that, after I know you a while, I get the idea that your personal space and my personal space can be the same space and that puts some people off, so lemme know if I got a bit close to you, there, Spence. And I mean that in general, not just in this one case. I don't plan on making a habit of editing others' user pages, but this ''is'' my first Wiki and I'm still learning the finer points of Wikiquette and which rules are hard a fast for all and which might be bent for "friends" etc. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:21, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::::Script? Man... that's a really good idea. I've not played with that yet, though, so all those edits you saw were manual. For some of the other big offenders (Battlestar, The Twelve Colonies) I was thinking of going more with the redirect + disambig on the top, since 95%+ of the new content is going to be about RDM... and I'm not sure if I could survive all 600+ of the disambig fixes. I didn't keep an exact count, but I cranked out around 100 viper edits. (I'd do blocks of about 10 to try to stay sharp). As for editing user pages, I'm with you Day (in that I wouldn't mind somebody who knew me to fix something that's broken, or maybe even somebody that didn't know me if it were particarly bad). However, I get the impression that some people are pretty sensitive about the issue, so I wanted to get a second opinion. I still need to drop a note to that user though... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:38, 18 January 2006 (EST)

==D'oh!==
Sorry about the goof up on the Crashdown page. I guess my enthusiasm got the better of me. Thanks for pointing me right. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 13:44, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:Not a problem. Sometimes I'm wrong (and do feel free to correct me if you see a goof), but what you noted was a common interpretation for others here, so you're not alone. It ''may'' be probable that a place known as Triton exists, but using Occam's Razor (simpliest answer is likely the correct one) is best here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:02, 19 January 2006 (EST)

== I feel like you don't ''talk'' to me any more... ==

That's a bit of a joke. However, I'm speaking of [[Talk:Saul Tigh#Picture?|this discussion]] that I tried to start after you changed Tigh's picture the first time. There was some discussion about it on the Island of Misfit Images and the, I think, two other people who chimed in agreed that the old one was much more nice looking. Anyway, I thought I'd prod you here for a response on Saul's talk page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:57, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Clear=both; ==

Ahha! [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=CIC&curid=797&diff=26666&oldid=26629 This page] looks much better now. Great use of the Empty-and-CLeared-Div trick. There are probably a few other articles that could use this. Anyway, wanted to give props. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:25, 25 January 2006 (EST)
:It's YOU I need to give props to. It's a simple bit of code that works well. Thanks for the help. I've been reluctant to update some pages in need of images because of formatting, so you've given me a good tool. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:14, 25 January 2006 (EST)

== Character Template Clarification ==
You didn't want it to get conversational over at the template talk, so I thought I'd ask here. What do you mean by "unneccessarily fill the template and it is growing ridiculously large"? Are you talking about the number of articles that link to the template ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Character_Data]])? Does the number of articles that utilize a template have a negative impact on that template somehow? I guess I don't understand the technical maintenance implications of it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)

: I meant the ''sheer dimensions of it'' (just [[Template:Characters]], not the character data template)...it's growing THICKER and THICKER and looks awful, worthless data notwithstanding. I can start to appreciate Peter's distaste for it now. I suggested the standard to aid in slowing down the amount of characters added to it, but nothing will stop the growth except to remove it altogether. A much smaller redesign could also help. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:27, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::Ah! Much clearer now! (I had just made a change inside Phelan's Character Data template, which had me in the wrong frame of mind.) I had (vaguely) noticed that the "Character" template was growing, but honestly I had come to ignore it. If it becomes a duplication of Category: Characters it ceases to be a navigational aid. I'd still like to come up with an elegant solution using Categories, but I don't think categories will be able to provide the immediate visual appeal that a (properly sized) character template is going to have.

::Do character templates always span the entire series? There might be a character that satisfies your criteria, but is not terribly relevant in a season or two. Is that just a function of character template maintenance (keep it up to date and trim), or a situation where you have character templates for different time periods/seasons? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:35, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::As Peter might attest, maintaining these things can be a bitch and be visually unappealing. I find that a similar template for the Matrix movies on Wikipedia works, but now I understand why Peter thinks it sucks here--it will grow like a cancer and pull much needed "white space" off the article, making things that much more cluttered. The Matrix stuff is generally over. But BG has to grow, and we have 50000 characters plus 12 Cylons to account for. I think we have enough links in articles to not deal with the character template, more I think of it. That thing is for browsing, nothing more. Or, we add in the central characters and regular guest stars and leave it at that. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::: I think we should kill it. Inject some Cylon baby blood and let our character pages walk tall and healthy again. If we want to aid browsing of characters by type or something, we could do some categorization that would work wonderfully, I think. We've talked about a lot, but, say, Main/Supporting (needs a new name, but both Bill and Saul would go here), Recurring (Zarek and that level of folk), Pilots/ECOs (also needs a new name), Command Staff, Civilians, Deck Crew, Marines... That way, someone could scroll down to the end and see a list of categories this character is in and choose what similarity they want to browse by. The current system assumes the user wants to browse by the criteria of Main/Supporting, whereas multiple categories let the ''user'' choose. This is maybe not the best place to voice this, huh? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:35, 4 February 2006 (EST)

User talk:Spencerian

2006-02-09T23:48:05Z

Dreamer: /* Citation Jihad */

''For discussions prior to January 1, 2006, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpencerian&diff=21890&oldid=21664 click here.]''

== Citation Jihad ==

I hope my update settles the origin of the word "Godfrey". --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 10:00, 9 February 2006 (EST)
:Your update appears more accurate than any thus far, and with source. Nice work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:52, 9 February 2006 (EST)

:: Thank you, I also provided a source for Moore's comment about battlestar groups, buried a few paragraphs down inside the January 20 2005, 11:59 PM blog post. (I always thought that.. to ...and smaller carriers as well." --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 18:48, 9 February 2006 (EST)

== Thanks ==

For your comment and the welcome! Admittedly the entry walks a thin line in terms of RDM relativity and redundancy, however I believe it's one BSG fans are interested in, it provides a more general background for all things BSG and through it perhaps a better understanding of the series. Of course I may be part of a small minority saying this, but I'd at least like to see how the discussion goes on the trivia page before you obliterate my long, hard work from existence :) --[[User:Dreamer|Dreamer]] 00:30, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:Sure, Dreamer. It does look like we need to send this article away; but (as you noted elsewhere) as an online encyclopedia, the ease of finding information is as important as recording it. Take a look at the actor bios and see if there is a format or convention that would give consistancy to ensure that others who look for trivia can find it. But do note that "trivia" is just that; information that is least relevant, and so is less important in our pecking order here than the content of episodic or character articles. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:54, 8 February 2006 (EST)

*I am confused: it wasn't really "hard work"; only 5 times appeared on your Trivia page. Further, the two notes that Grace Park and Tricia Helfer are models-turned-actresses were already in their biographies, and the notation the Glen Larson was working on Knight Rider was also in his article. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:53, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:I was joking on the hard work part, hence the smiley. I consider it only a personal stub, as to continue upon it and add further data in the near future. --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 00:58, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::Gotcha. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:20, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==The CNP==

In the mini-series, Doral comes to Baltar on Ragnar with a list of civilian ships that have the CNP, which indicates that there are non-military ships with the program.

Furthermore, there are a '''lot''' of Vipers leaving the Galactica at Ragnar to engage the Cylons. I was under the impression there were only twenty Mark II Vipers aboard the Galactica, and that its original Mark VII squadron was destroyed on the way back to Caprica. Therefore, at least some of those Vipers might have been the survivors of other ships that made their way to Ragnar after Adama gave the order to rendezvous there for a counterattack.

Furthermore, later in the series, the Galactica seems to have an awful lot of Raptors, and Crashdown is described as being a refugee from the Triton, which IIRC was one of the battlestars destroyed around the time of the Atlantia. Therefore, it seems that some Raptors might have made their way there was well. The Raptors also have FTL (unlike, apparently, the Vipers) and judging by how the Raiders never tried to virus Boomer and Helo, Raptors might be less suspectible to Cylon interference, so any Raptors that escaped the destruction of their battlestars would have an easier time getting away from the Cylons then Vipers would.

Also, Dualla describes reports of system failures throughout the Fleet, and then describes how a battlestar lost power. How effective was the CNP with the capital ships? We've seen it used quite effectively on Vipers, but Dualla's description of its effects on battlestars is vague (power loss in at least one case and undescribed "system failures").

Congrats on being made Admin.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 12:16, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Hi, Mq59. I remember the scene with Doral (in CIC, Baltar was being "serviced" by virtual Six when he was interrupted) and will review it on my copy of the miniseries; you may be right on the CNP's use on civilian ships. As far as Crashdown's origination, it's not clear if he flew in on a Raptor (the largest of any refugee ship; no other indications show any other Colonial Fleet craft escaped to Ragnar) or even flew in at all; Valerii may have been kidding about a transfer he made from the ''Triton'' before the attack. We don't have enough information to pull a good speculation here, although I would defer it to escaped since we know Raptors have FTL ability and are small enough not to be noticed as well by Cylon forces. We just don't have any information from the Miniseries that additional ships made it. Raptors had CNP as well, but yes, since they are designed for electronic countermeasures, they may be less subceptible to infiltration, CNP or not. If you can find Doral's exact line to Baltar, that will be enough as a source. However, we shouldn't globally say that all civilian ships used the CNP; it's practical that commercial commerce ships, such as modern freighters, may use similar hardware from the same ship contractor that builds military ships and so have a similar specification for CNP. Most civilian ships, such as passenger liners, were just defenseless and easy to destroy, CNP or not.

:The CNP was very effective, obviously: all but two battlestars were destroyed. We saw in "Valley of Darkness" what happens when a battlestar is infected. We know that, while the battlestar may not have been fully shutdown like a fighter would, the number of systemic failures would be enough to leave a battlestar effectively defenseless and fodder for a basestar and her fighters. If a second Cylon fight occurred during "Valley", ''Galactica'' would have been screwed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:49, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Peter Farago found the "civilians with the CNP" quote and put it in the "Talk: CNP article."

I know no capital ships made it to Ragnar. However, it seemed they had too many Vipers and Raptors (the Vipers in the mini and the Raptors during the actual series) for an about-to-be-decommissioned ship.

The CNP worked--it seems like virtually all the Colonial Fleet was destroyed in a single day (not sure what length of time the miniseries actually covers, but it's not that long). I was curious about how effective it was and how many casualties the Cylons could have theoretically suffered.

I may write a fanfic called "The Death of the Poseidon" describing the destruction of a battlestar during the opening attack--the Raiders shut down virtually all of the Vipers and destroy the defenseless Raptors, but lose many Raiders trying to close with the "Poseidon" to trigger the CNP (a Raider "eye-dance" in the mini and "Flight of the Phoenix" seems to be the preferred way of jacking with the Colonials). The Poseidon's fire controls go haywire and main power shuts down, enabling the Cylons to launch a bunch of nukes. By the time they get the backups running, the nukes are too close to shoot down and BANG!

Hmm...if I make the battlestar the "Triton" instead of the "Poseidon," perhaps I can involve Crashdown.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 1:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Nice catch, MQ. I've readded your contribution with the source that Peter provided. Enlightening. For the Viper count, there is an article that tracks the number of Vipers, but it escapes me. [[Flight of the Phoenix]] has a notation on this. There are enough Vipers but fewer pilots nowandays. ''Galactica'' had two Mk.II squadrons at the start of the war.

:We don't host fan fiction here, of course, but I'm sure you'd have an audience for your story somewhere! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Does the Viper count include the mini-series? Four Vipers (I believe) were destroyed on-screen at the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. However, when the Vipers are launched, it looks like there are a lot more than the 30-odd Vipers they've got by "Flight of the Phoenix."

I saw the mini last night and Adama referred to "twenty Vipers" being in their museum section (the Mark IIs). Assuming Apollo left his Mark VII there when he took out his father's Mark II for a spin during the decommissioning, the other seven or so Mark VIIs they've got by "Flight" had to come from somewhere. This doesn't take casualties at Ragnar into account.

I have to actually start writing the story first. I've got one Internet project to finish within the next week or so, and classes for me (I am in college) resume Monday.--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 14:21, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:It's complicated. I'm currently keeping track of everything in the notes section of [[Galactica (RDM)]], but the matter may deserve its own article in the near future. My own impression, anyway, was that Galactica had two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (in active service out of the port flight pod) and one squadron ofn Mk. IIs (in the museum on the starboard pod). After the twenty Mk. VIIs in Ripper's squadron were destroyed, the Mk. IIs were reactivated, bringing the total to the (roughly) 40 fighters seen at the Ragnar battle. I'm not 100% sure of this, however, as there are still other sources to consult. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:33, 3 January 2006 (EST)

==Rank= Administrator==

OK. Now I'm jealous. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:51, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:''(yodaspeak)'' Be careful you should be, or [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|suffer my fate, you will!]] ''(/yodaspeak)'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:02, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:: '''''LOL!''''' --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 19:52, 4 January 2006 (EST)

==Welcome==
Thanks for the welcome - I probably won't be contributing all that much (admin duties on Wikipedia keep me busy, as well as the ''Doctor Who'' Wikiproject). Just had to correct some really nagging spelling mistakes. :) --[[User:Khaosworks|Khaosworks]] 17:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:I know the feeling. Joe (our admin) just empowered me and two others as sysops here, so I'm learning to budget my time--I used to be all over Wikipedia and their Matrix series pages until I found this place. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:27, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Editing User Pages==
From what I've learned of [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette|Wikiquette]] it is considered bad form to edit a user's page. However, I've been working the [[Special:Disambiguations|Disambiguations Page]] to try to get links pointed where they are intended to go, and one of the results on that page is a user page. I guess the first step would be to ask them to change it on their talk page, but considering their last contribution was a few months ago there's a good chance that they might never respond. I guess I should just let it go, but the OCD side of me wants the Disambuations Page to someday read like the Double Redirects page (0 results returned). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:58, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Sounds fine. Was this in reference to Day's adjustment on a link on my user page? It was understandable, so I ignored it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Oh, no. If I were to call out Day, I'd call him out. This was about my Viper disambig crusade today. [[User:Neochiiz3000]] has a link to Viper that I was thinking about switching to Viper (RDM). I've restrained myself, and the issue may resolve itself if we end up doing a redirect to Viper (RDM) off of Viper. If not, I'll ask first... and edit if there isn't a response for a while. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:39, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::Yeah, that sounds like the proper thing to do. As an admin, it should not be inappropriate for you to edit a user page after you ask for permission first and time elapses, or if the content of the page violates our policy. Yeah, I hope you had a script for that--how many pages did you DO!? You're going to wake up in a nightmare at 4 in the morning and scream "Viper!" --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:47, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Two things. One: Yeah, Steelviper. I broke my The <s>FLeet</s> Fleet purge into several phases (still not done as of this writing), so I would remain sane. Two: I felt that a) Spence would see the reasonability of my editing his user page that particular time and that b) he'd see my name by the edit and maybe be forgiving. However, this may be similar to the way that, after I know you a while, I get the idea that your personal space and my personal space can be the same space and that puts some people off, so lemme know if I got a bit close to you, there, Spence. And I mean that in general, not just in this one case. I don't plan on making a habit of editing others' user pages, but this ''is'' my first Wiki and I'm still learning the finer points of Wikiquette and which rules are hard a fast for all and which might be bent for "friends" etc. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:21, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::::Script? Man... that's a really good idea. I've not played with that yet, though, so all those edits you saw were manual. For some of the other big offenders (Battlestar, The Twelve Colonies) I was thinking of going more with the redirect + disambig on the top, since 95%+ of the new content is going to be about RDM... and I'm not sure if I could survive all 600+ of the disambig fixes. I didn't keep an exact count, but I cranked out around 100 viper edits. (I'd do blocks of about 10 to try to stay sharp). As for editing user pages, I'm with you Day (in that I wouldn't mind somebody who knew me to fix something that's broken, or maybe even somebody that didn't know me if it were particarly bad). However, I get the impression that some people are pretty sensitive about the issue, so I wanted to get a second opinion. I still need to drop a note to that user though... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:38, 18 January 2006 (EST)

==D'oh!==
Sorry about the goof up on the Crashdown page. I guess my enthusiasm got the better of me. Thanks for pointing me right. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 13:44, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:Not a problem. Sometimes I'm wrong (and do feel free to correct me if you see a goof), but what you noted was a common interpretation for others here, so you're not alone. It ''may'' be probable that a place known as Triton exists, but using Occam's Razor (simpliest answer is likely the correct one) is best here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:02, 19 January 2006 (EST)

== I feel like you don't ''talk'' to me any more... ==

That's a bit of a joke. However, I'm speaking of [[Talk:Saul Tigh#Picture?|this discussion]] that I tried to start after you changed Tigh's picture the first time. There was some discussion about it on the Island of Misfit Images and the, I think, two other people who chimed in agreed that the old one was much more nice looking. Anyway, I thought I'd prod you here for a response on Saul's talk page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:57, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Clear=both; ==

Ahha! [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=CIC&curid=797&diff=26666&oldid=26629 This page] looks much better now. Great use of the Empty-and-CLeared-Div trick. There are probably a few other articles that could use this. Anyway, wanted to give props. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:25, 25 January 2006 (EST)
:It's YOU I need to give props to. It's a simple bit of code that works well. Thanks for the help. I've been reluctant to update some pages in need of images because of formatting, so you've given me a good tool. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:14, 25 January 2006 (EST)

== Character Template Clarification ==
You didn't want it to get conversational over at the template talk, so I thought I'd ask here. What do you mean by "unneccessarily fill the template and it is growing ridiculously large"? Are you talking about the number of articles that link to the template ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Character_Data]])? Does the number of articles that utilize a template have a negative impact on that template somehow? I guess I don't understand the technical maintenance implications of it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)

: I meant the ''sheer dimensions of it'' (just [[Template:Characters]], not the character data template)...it's growing THICKER and THICKER and looks awful, worthless data notwithstanding. I can start to appreciate Peter's distaste for it now. I suggested the standard to aid in slowing down the amount of characters added to it, but nothing will stop the growth except to remove it altogether. A much smaller redesign could also help. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:27, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::Ah! Much clearer now! (I had just made a change inside Phelan's Character Data template, which had me in the wrong frame of mind.) I had (vaguely) noticed that the "Character" template was growing, but honestly I had come to ignore it. If it becomes a duplication of Category: Characters it ceases to be a navigational aid. I'd still like to come up with an elegant solution using Categories, but I don't think categories will be able to provide the immediate visual appeal that a (properly sized) character template is going to have.

::Do character templates always span the entire series? There might be a character that satisfies your criteria, but is not terribly relevant in a season or two. Is that just a function of character template maintenance (keep it up to date and trim), or a situation where you have character templates for different time periods/seasons? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:35, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::As Peter might attest, maintaining these things can be a bitch and be visually unappealing. I find that a similar template for the Matrix movies on Wikipedia works, but now I understand why Peter thinks it sucks here--it will grow like a cancer and pull much needed "white space" off the article, making things that much more cluttered. The Matrix stuff is generally over. But BG has to grow, and we have 50000 characters plus 12 Cylons to account for. I think we have enough links in articles to not deal with the character template, more I think of it. That thing is for browsing, nothing more. Or, we add in the central characters and regular guest stars and leave it at that. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::: I think we should kill it. Inject some Cylon baby blood and let our character pages walk tall and healthy again. If we want to aid browsing of characters by type or something, we could do some categorization that would work wonderfully, I think. We've talked about a lot, but, say, Main/Supporting (needs a new name, but both Bill and Saul would go here), Recurring (Zarek and that level of folk), Pilots/ECOs (also needs a new name), Command Staff, Civilians, Deck Crew, Marines... That way, someone could scroll down to the end and see a list of categories this character is in and choose what similarity they want to browse by. The current system assumes the user wants to browse by the criteria of Main/Supporting, whereas multiple categories let the ''user'' choose. This is maybe not the best place to voice this, huh? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:35, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Battlestar Group

2006-02-09T23:39:43Z

Dreamer: Added source of Moore's comment

{{shortcut|BSG 75}}

A '''Battlestar Group''' is a [[Colonial Fleet]] unit lead by at least one [[battlestar]]. On ship crests, badges, and documents it is often abbreviated as "BSG".

Battlestar Groups are seen by [[Ronald D. Moore]] as analagous to a modern-day [[Wikipedia:Carrier battle group|Carrier Battle Group]], comprising at least one battlestar, plus a number of support vessels [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/#a000015]. Given the number of available battlestars at the outbreak of hostilities with the [[Cylon attack]], it is possible that a battlestar group may have comprised a number (3-4) battlestars operating as a single unit, supported by additional Colonial vessels.

==Known Battlestar Groups==
BSG 62: Led by [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', under Admiral [[Helena Cain]].

BSG 75: Led by [[Original battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', under Commander [[William Adama]]. This group's high unit number belies the age of ''Galactica'', probably the oldest commissioned ship in the Colonial Fleet.

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Galactica type battlestar

2006-02-09T23:28:05Z

Dreamer: mechnanisms = mechanisms

''This article discusses the original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. For information on the battlestars of the Original Series, see [[Battlestar (TOS)]]. For information on the newer ''Mercury'' class battlestars, see [[Mercury class battlestar]].''

[[Image:Bsg-bsg-1.jpg|thumb|Original Colonial Battlestar (credit: Zoic)]]

==Overview==
The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar''' is a capital Colonial warship that combines the functions of aircraft carrier and battleship. The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]], each representing one of the [[Twelve Colonies]] ([[Mini-Series]]). This article concerns that original, and unnamed, class.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service, and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the soon-to-be-decommissioned ''[[Galactica]]'' was the last of her kind still in service, and the newer [[Mercury-class Battlestar|''Mercury''-class]] represented the top of the line.

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of some 4,640ft in length, housing 80 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters arranged in 4 squadrons of 20 apiece, and several nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while her defensive armaments ensure she is fully capable of both protecting herself from attack, and of engaging an enemy at close quarters.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and her sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull, and the twin flight pods.

=== Main Hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar, and can, itself, be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains the primary living space for the crew, recreational facilities, mess halls, shipboard operations centres (such as the [[CIC]] and [[Situation Room]]){{ref|nosource}}; water storage tanks ([[Water]]).

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms, crossways linking the hanger pods for the transfer of equipment and personnel, as well as all the necessary hoists for such transfers ([[Mini-Series]]). Main munitions stores and distribution mechanisms to "local" munitions stores for main and secondary batteries; fabrication facilities; etc {{ref_label|nosource|1|a}}.

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drive coils, etc. Note that 4 of the sublight engines are mounted externally in engine pods, with 2 more mounted between the pods, in the stern of the battlestar's main hull.

=== Flight Pods ===
The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's offensive [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] force. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During FTL jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull. Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod; and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

The landing bay serves as a recovery area for incoming Vipers and [[Raptor]]s. Approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area. However, in emergencies, [[Combat Landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a Viper or Raptor approaches at speed and makes a running landing on its undercarriage.

The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles. The landing bay is large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, at least as large as "heavy" passenger ships such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]''. Docking collars are located throughout the upper sections of the landing bay in order to provide a pressurised connection between a docked vessel and the battlestar. The Flight Pods also have docking ports to dock with larger ships or stations.

The [[Hangar Deck|hangar deck]] within the a flight pod are used as general dispersal areas for Vipers. The hangar deck is used for maintenance & repair of Vipers / Raptors, re-fuelling, re-arming and launch operations. A hangar deck runs the length of the flight pod, but can be divided and sealed off into five sections for damage control puroposes. Each hangar deck section has eight launch tubes, two launch control stations, and an elevator that leads to the landing bay above. Viper flight operations are overseen by a [[Landing Signal Officer]], with each launch supervisor being directly responsible for all launch operations for a group of four launch tubes{{ref_label|nosource|1|b}}.

==Specifications==

===Dimensions===
Hull:
* Length: 4,640ft or 1.414 km
* Beam: 1,820ft or 555 m (flight pod to flight pod - extended)
* Draft: 580ft or 177 m (source: [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ships/ships/ SciFi.com])

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 2,019ft or 615 m
* Beam (approx): 360ft or 110 m
* Draft (approx): 211ft or 64 m {{ref|pods}}

[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|right|thumb|Battlestar / CVN comparison (credit: Zoic / VF)]]
''An appreciation of the size of an original battlestar can be gleaned from the following: A battlestar is over 4 times longer than a [[Wikipedia:USS Nimitz|''Nimitz'']]-class US Navy nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. The flight pod of an original battlestar is almost twice the length of a ''Nimitz'' class carrier, is some 150ft wider and is approximately as tall as a ''Nimitz'' class carrier measured from the waterline to the top of the carrier's communications and [[Wikipedia:ELINT|ELINT]] tower. The beam of an original battlestar's "alligator head" is as broad as a ''Nimitz''-class carrier's flight deck is long. Each of the nacelles of an original battlestar's outer four sublight engines is large enough to house a ''Nimitz''-class carrier.''

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]
* 2 x FTL engines and drive coils{{ref|ftl}}
* 6 x sublight engines
** 2 x Hull-mounted
** 4 x outrigger engine pods
* 40 x maneuvering engines (10 clusters of 4 apiece){{ref|zoic}}.

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as the [[Ragnar Anchorage]] depot. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Mini-Series]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of very accurate Jumps, able to place them precisely in synchronous orbit above any point on a planet ([[Mini-Series]]) and of placing them in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God]]) or dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), without risk of a devastating impact. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in range ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without resupply. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate without re-tanking "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Mini-Series]], [[Water]]), and may have small manufacturing/fabrication facilities on-board ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).

===Computer Systems===
The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked computer systems and wireless devices, as the [[Cylon]] enemy were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Mini-Series]]).

Although they do employ [[computers]] for such functions as [[FTL]] calculations, navigation, damage control and fire control ([[Scattered]]), these are not connected with each other. This design is intended to naturally quarantine individual systems in the event that one becomes compromised.

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|Flak field from ''Galactica's'' large turrets ([[Scattered]])]]
[[Image:Bscap064.jpg|thumb|''Galactica's'' point defense turrets]]
*24 large flak turrets{{ref|flak}} (mounting 2 guns apiece)
These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire explosive flak rounds in tandem at a rate of 2.23 seconds per round.

*Numerous{{ref|small}} smaller turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
These are smaller two-gun turrets mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires non-explosive rounds in bursts, with a rate of fire of 200 rounds per turret per second (estimate based on one tracer per four rounds).

*Multiple nuclear warheads{{ref|nukes}}.

*Four squadrons of 20 "[[Viper (RDM)|Viper]]" air/space superiority fighters{{ref|vipers}}. Even the latest Mk. VII vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.

*Numerous{{ref|raptors}} "[[Raptor]]" reconnaissance vehicles

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===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to her scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800{{ref|crew}}. This figure may be higher for a fully staffed and operational battlestar.

===Life Support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

==Sources==
# {{note|nosource}}{{note_label|nosource|1|a}}{{note_label|nosource|1|b}} No source provided. Figures and comments which are unsourced are being considered for deletion, in compliance with the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]].
# {{note|pods}} Calculated based on elevations made available by Zoic.
# {{note|ftl}} '''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Mini-Series]])
# {{note|zoic}} Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.
# {{note|flak}} These have been referred to as railguns by some fan sources, but there is substantial evidence to the contrary. See [[Railgun]] for more.
# {{note|small}} Unsourced figures have ranged from 252 to 512. According to the BSG Magazine, the number is 504.
#{{note|nukes}} As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).
# {{note|vipers}}After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon Attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod as well.
# {{note|raptors}}At the time of the Cylon Attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight. See [[Galactica (RDM)#endnote_raptors|Galactica Raptor tally]] for a running count.
# {{note|crew}} See [[Galactica (RDM)#endnote_originalcrew|Galactica crew count]].

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User talk:Spencerian

2006-02-09T15:00:04Z

Dreamer:

''For discussions prior to January 1, 2006, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpencerian&diff=21890&oldid=21664 click here.]''

== Shelly Godfrey ==

I hope my update settles the origin of the word. --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 10:00, 9 February 2006 (EST)

== Thanks ==

For your comment and the welcome! Admittedly the entry walks a thin line in terms of RDM relativity and redundancy, however I believe it's one BSG fans are interested in, it provides a more general background for all things BSG and through it perhaps a better understanding of the series. Of course I may be part of a small minority saying this, but I'd at least like to see how the discussion goes on the trivia page before you obliterate my long, hard work from existence :) --[[User:Dreamer|Dreamer]] 00:30, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:Sure, Dreamer. It does look like we need to send this article away; but (as you noted elsewhere) as an online encyclopedia, the ease of finding information is as important as recording it. Take a look at the actor bios and see if there is a format or convention that would give consistancy to ensure that others who look for trivia can find it. But do note that "trivia" is just that; information that is least relevant, and so is less important in our pecking order here than the content of episodic or character articles. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:54, 8 February 2006 (EST)

*I am confused: it wasn't really "hard work"; only 5 times appeared on your Trivia page. Further, the two notes that Grace Park and Tricia Helfer are models-turned-actresses were already in their biographies, and the notation the Glen Larson was working on Knight Rider was also in his article. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:53, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:I was joking on the hard work part, hence the smiley. I consider it only a personal stub, as to continue upon it and add further data in the near future. --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 00:58, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::Gotcha. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:20, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==The CNP==

In the mini-series, Doral comes to Baltar on Ragnar with a list of civilian ships that have the CNP, which indicates that there are non-military ships with the program.

Furthermore, there are a '''lot''' of Vipers leaving the Galactica at Ragnar to engage the Cylons. I was under the impression there were only twenty Mark II Vipers aboard the Galactica, and that its original Mark VII squadron was destroyed on the way back to Caprica. Therefore, at least some of those Vipers might have been the survivors of other ships that made their way to Ragnar after Adama gave the order to rendezvous there for a counterattack.

Furthermore, later in the series, the Galactica seems to have an awful lot of Raptors, and Crashdown is described as being a refugee from the Triton, which IIRC was one of the battlestars destroyed around the time of the Atlantia. Therefore, it seems that some Raptors might have made their way there was well. The Raptors also have FTL (unlike, apparently, the Vipers) and judging by how the Raiders never tried to virus Boomer and Helo, Raptors might be less suspectible to Cylon interference, so any Raptors that escaped the destruction of their battlestars would have an easier time getting away from the Cylons then Vipers would.

Also, Dualla describes reports of system failures throughout the Fleet, and then describes how a battlestar lost power. How effective was the CNP with the capital ships? We've seen it used quite effectively on Vipers, but Dualla's description of its effects on battlestars is vague (power loss in at least one case and undescribed "system failures").

Congrats on being made Admin.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 12:16, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Hi, Mq59. I remember the scene with Doral (in CIC, Baltar was being "serviced" by virtual Six when he was interrupted) and will review it on my copy of the miniseries; you may be right on the CNP's use on civilian ships. As far as Crashdown's origination, it's not clear if he flew in on a Raptor (the largest of any refugee ship; no other indications show any other Colonial Fleet craft escaped to Ragnar) or even flew in at all; Valerii may have been kidding about a transfer he made from the ''Triton'' before the attack. We don't have enough information to pull a good speculation here, although I would defer it to escaped since we know Raptors have FTL ability and are small enough not to be noticed as well by Cylon forces. We just don't have any information from the Miniseries that additional ships made it. Raptors had CNP as well, but yes, since they are designed for electronic countermeasures, they may be less subceptible to infiltration, CNP or not. If you can find Doral's exact line to Baltar, that will be enough as a source. However, we shouldn't globally say that all civilian ships used the CNP; it's practical that commercial commerce ships, such as modern freighters, may use similar hardware from the same ship contractor that builds military ships and so have a similar specification for CNP. Most civilian ships, such as passenger liners, were just defenseless and easy to destroy, CNP or not.

:The CNP was very effective, obviously: all but two battlestars were destroyed. We saw in "Valley of Darkness" what happens when a battlestar is infected. We know that, while the battlestar may not have been fully shutdown like a fighter would, the number of systemic failures would be enough to leave a battlestar effectively defenseless and fodder for a basestar and her fighters. If a second Cylon fight occurred during "Valley", ''Galactica'' would have been screwed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:49, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Peter Farago found the "civilians with the CNP" quote and put it in the "Talk: CNP article."

I know no capital ships made it to Ragnar. However, it seemed they had too many Vipers and Raptors (the Vipers in the mini and the Raptors during the actual series) for an about-to-be-decommissioned ship.

The CNP worked--it seems like virtually all the Colonial Fleet was destroyed in a single day (not sure what length of time the miniseries actually covers, but it's not that long). I was curious about how effective it was and how many casualties the Cylons could have theoretically suffered.

I may write a fanfic called "The Death of the Poseidon" describing the destruction of a battlestar during the opening attack--the Raiders shut down virtually all of the Vipers and destroy the defenseless Raptors, but lose many Raiders trying to close with the "Poseidon" to trigger the CNP (a Raider "eye-dance" in the mini and "Flight of the Phoenix" seems to be the preferred way of jacking with the Colonials). The Poseidon's fire controls go haywire and main power shuts down, enabling the Cylons to launch a bunch of nukes. By the time they get the backups running, the nukes are too close to shoot down and BANG!

Hmm...if I make the battlestar the "Triton" instead of the "Poseidon," perhaps I can involve Crashdown.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 1:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Nice catch, MQ. I've readded your contribution with the source that Peter provided. Enlightening. For the Viper count, there is an article that tracks the number of Vipers, but it escapes me. [[Flight of the Phoenix]] has a notation on this. There are enough Vipers but fewer pilots nowandays. ''Galactica'' had two Mk.II squadrons at the start of the war.

:We don't host fan fiction here, of course, but I'm sure you'd have an audience for your story somewhere! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Does the Viper count include the mini-series? Four Vipers (I believe) were destroyed on-screen at the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. However, when the Vipers are launched, it looks like there are a lot more than the 30-odd Vipers they've got by "Flight of the Phoenix."

I saw the mini last night and Adama referred to "twenty Vipers" being in their museum section (the Mark IIs). Assuming Apollo left his Mark VII there when he took out his father's Mark II for a spin during the decommissioning, the other seven or so Mark VIIs they've got by "Flight" had to come from somewhere. This doesn't take casualties at Ragnar into account.

I have to actually start writing the story first. I've got one Internet project to finish within the next week or so, and classes for me (I am in college) resume Monday.--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 14:21, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:It's complicated. I'm currently keeping track of everything in the notes section of [[Galactica (RDM)]], but the matter may deserve its own article in the near future. My own impression, anyway, was that Galactica had two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (in active service out of the port flight pod) and one squadron ofn Mk. IIs (in the museum on the starboard pod). After the twenty Mk. VIIs in Ripper's squadron were destroyed, the Mk. IIs were reactivated, bringing the total to the (roughly) 40 fighters seen at the Ragnar battle. I'm not 100% sure of this, however, as there are still other sources to consult. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:33, 3 January 2006 (EST)

==Rank= Administrator==

OK. Now I'm jealous. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:51, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:''(yodaspeak)'' Be careful you should be, or [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|suffer my fate, you will!]] ''(/yodaspeak)'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:02, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:: '''''LOL!''''' --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 19:52, 4 January 2006 (EST)

==Welcome==
Thanks for the welcome - I probably won't be contributing all that much (admin duties on Wikipedia keep me busy, as well as the ''Doctor Who'' Wikiproject). Just had to correct some really nagging spelling mistakes. :) --[[User:Khaosworks|Khaosworks]] 17:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:I know the feeling. Joe (our admin) just empowered me and two others as sysops here, so I'm learning to budget my time--I used to be all over Wikipedia and their Matrix series pages until I found this place. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:27, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Editing User Pages==
From what I've learned of [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette|Wikiquette]] it is considered bad form to edit a user's page. However, I've been working the [[Special:Disambiguations|Disambiguations Page]] to try to get links pointed where they are intended to go, and one of the results on that page is a user page. I guess the first step would be to ask them to change it on their talk page, but considering their last contribution was a few months ago there's a good chance that they might never respond. I guess I should just let it go, but the OCD side of me wants the Disambuations Page to someday read like the Double Redirects page (0 results returned). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:58, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Sounds fine. Was this in reference to Day's adjustment on a link on my user page? It was understandable, so I ignored it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Oh, no. If I were to call out Day, I'd call him out. This was about my Viper disambig crusade today. [[User:Neochiiz3000]] has a link to Viper that I was thinking about switching to Viper (RDM). I've restrained myself, and the issue may resolve itself if we end up doing a redirect to Viper (RDM) off of Viper. If not, I'll ask first... and edit if there isn't a response for a while. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:39, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::Yeah, that sounds like the proper thing to do. As an admin, it should not be inappropriate for you to edit a user page after you ask for permission first and time elapses, or if the content of the page violates our policy. Yeah, I hope you had a script for that--how many pages did you DO!? You're going to wake up in a nightmare at 4 in the morning and scream "Viper!" --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:47, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Two things. One: Yeah, Steelviper. I broke my The <s>FLeet</s> Fleet purge into several phases (still not done as of this writing), so I would remain sane. Two: I felt that a) Spence would see the reasonability of my editing his user page that particular time and that b) he'd see my name by the edit and maybe be forgiving. However, this may be similar to the way that, after I know you a while, I get the idea that your personal space and my personal space can be the same space and that puts some people off, so lemme know if I got a bit close to you, there, Spence. And I mean that in general, not just in this one case. I don't plan on making a habit of editing others' user pages, but this ''is'' my first Wiki and I'm still learning the finer points of Wikiquette and which rules are hard a fast for all and which might be bent for "friends" etc. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:21, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::::Script? Man... that's a really good idea. I've not played with that yet, though, so all those edits you saw were manual. For some of the other big offenders (Battlestar, The Twelve Colonies) I was thinking of going more with the redirect + disambig on the top, since 95%+ of the new content is going to be about RDM... and I'm not sure if I could survive all 600+ of the disambig fixes. I didn't keep an exact count, but I cranked out around 100 viper edits. (I'd do blocks of about 10 to try to stay sharp). As for editing user pages, I'm with you Day (in that I wouldn't mind somebody who knew me to fix something that's broken, or maybe even somebody that didn't know me if it were particarly bad). However, I get the impression that some people are pretty sensitive about the issue, so I wanted to get a second opinion. I still need to drop a note to that user though... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:38, 18 January 2006 (EST)

==D'oh!==
Sorry about the goof up on the Crashdown page. I guess my enthusiasm got the better of me. Thanks for pointing me right. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 13:44, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:Not a problem. Sometimes I'm wrong (and do feel free to correct me if you see a goof), but what you noted was a common interpretation for others here, so you're not alone. It ''may'' be probable that a place known as Triton exists, but using Occam's Razor (simpliest answer is likely the correct one) is best here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:02, 19 January 2006 (EST)

== I feel like you don't ''talk'' to me any more... ==

That's a bit of a joke. However, I'm speaking of [[Talk:Saul Tigh#Picture?|this discussion]] that I tried to start after you changed Tigh's picture the first time. There was some discussion about it on the Island of Misfit Images and the, I think, two other people who chimed in agreed that the old one was much more nice looking. Anyway, I thought I'd prod you here for a response on Saul's talk page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:57, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Clear=both; ==

Ahha! [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=CIC&curid=797&diff=26666&oldid=26629 This page] looks much better now. Great use of the Empty-and-CLeared-Div trick. There are probably a few other articles that could use this. Anyway, wanted to give props. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:25, 25 January 2006 (EST)
:It's YOU I need to give props to. It's a simple bit of code that works well. Thanks for the help. I've been reluctant to update some pages in need of images because of formatting, so you've given me a good tool. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:14, 25 January 2006 (EST)

== Character Template Clarification ==
You didn't want it to get conversational over at the template talk, so I thought I'd ask here. What do you mean by "unneccessarily fill the template and it is growing ridiculously large"? Are you talking about the number of articles that link to the template ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Character_Data]])? Does the number of articles that utilize a template have a negative impact on that template somehow? I guess I don't understand the technical maintenance implications of it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)

: I meant the ''sheer dimensions of it'' (just [[Template:Characters]], not the character data template)...it's growing THICKER and THICKER and looks awful, worthless data notwithstanding. I can start to appreciate Peter's distaste for it now. I suggested the standard to aid in slowing down the amount of characters added to it, but nothing will stop the growth except to remove it altogether. A much smaller redesign could also help. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:27, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::Ah! Much clearer now! (I had just made a change inside Phelan's Character Data template, which had me in the wrong frame of mind.) I had (vaguely) noticed that the "Character" template was growing, but honestly I had come to ignore it. If it becomes a duplication of Category: Characters it ceases to be a navigational aid. I'd still like to come up with an elegant solution using Categories, but I don't think categories will be able to provide the immediate visual appeal that a (properly sized) character template is going to have.

::Do character templates always span the entire series? There might be a character that satisfies your criteria, but is not terribly relevant in a season or two. Is that just a function of character template maintenance (keep it up to date and trim), or a situation where you have character templates for different time periods/seasons? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:35, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::As Peter might attest, maintaining these things can be a bitch and be visually unappealing. I find that a similar template for the Matrix movies on Wikipedia works, but now I understand why Peter thinks it sucks here--it will grow like a cancer and pull much needed "white space" off the article, making things that much more cluttered. The Matrix stuff is generally over. But BG has to grow, and we have 50000 characters plus 12 Cylons to account for. I think we have enough links in articles to not deal with the character template, more I think of it. That thing is for browsing, nothing more. Or, we add in the central characters and regular guest stars and leave it at that. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::: I think we should kill it. Inject some Cylon baby blood and let our character pages walk tall and healthy again. If we want to aid browsing of characters by type or something, we could do some categorization that would work wonderfully, I think. We've talked about a lot, but, say, Main/Supporting (needs a new name, but both Bill and Saul would go here), Recurring (Zarek and that level of folk), Pilots/ECOs (also needs a new name), Command Staff, Civilians, Deck Crew, Marines... That way, someone could scroll down to the end and see a list of categories this character is in and choose what similarity they want to browse by. The current system assumes the user wants to browse by the criteria of Main/Supporting, whereas multiple categories let the ''user'' choose. This is maybe not the best place to voice this, huh? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:35, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Shelly Godfrey

2006-02-09T14:59:00Z

Dreamer: syntactical correction

:''This page is about Shelly Godfrey, the copy of Cylon model Number Six who tries to expose [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] as a traitor. See the [[Number Six]] article for information about other copies, including the one in Baltar's head.''

[[Image:bsg-1-07.jpg|thumb|[[William Adama|Commander Adama]] and an apparently distraught Ms. Godfrey.]]
"Shelly Godfrey" is the pseudonym adopted by an incarnation of [[Number Six]] that arrives on board the ''[[Galactica]]'' with a mission to apparently expose [[Gaius Baltar]] as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Her real aim, however, is to further push Baltar to a point where his only hope of salvation appears to be his complete acceptance of the Cylon concept of "[[God]]". Indeed, once he has reached this point, she rapidly goes into hiding (possibly unwittingly helped by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] on the ''Galactica''?) and later probably removes herself from the ship - or destroys herself.

During her time on the ''Galactica'', "Godfrey" very much reveals her underlying nature is very similar to that of her "sisters" as she attempts to seduce [[William Adama]].

Her appearance on the ''Galactica'' gives the clearest indication of all that Baltar's Six is an independent intelligence implanted in his head - and that, for all its statements to the contrary - it is somehow in contact with other humano-Cylons within the fleet (or at least in communication with any of its "sisters" which may be in the fleet). The appearance of "Shelly Godfrey" and the "disappearance" of Six from Baltar's mind is otherwise too coincidental to be believable.

A file photo of Godfrey exists in President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s office aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'' as part of a dossier of identified Cylon agents. When, where and how this photo, as well as the photos of [[Aaron Doral]] and [[Leoben Conoy]] were aquired is not known ("[[Epiphanies]]").

=== Notes ===

*The last name [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Godfrey '''Godfrey'''] is a derivative from Old French which in turn derives from the Old High German male proper name Godafrid meaning "the peace of God".

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Shelly Godfrey

2006-02-09T14:50:34Z

Dreamer: Updated Godfrey definition

:''This page is about Shelly Godfrey, the copy of Cylon model Number Six who tries to expose [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] as a traitor. See the [[Number Six]] article for information about other copies, including the one in Baltar's head.''

[[Image:bsg-1-07.jpg|thumb|[[William Adama|Commander Adama]] and an apparently distraught Ms. Godfrey.]]
"Shelly Godfrey" is the pseudonym adopted by an incarnation of [[Number Six]] that arrives on board the ''[[Galactica]]'' with a mission to apparently expose [[Gaius Baltar]] as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Her real aim, however, is to further push Baltar to a point where his only hope of salvation appears to be his complete acceptance of the Cylon concept of "[[God]]". Indeed, once he has reached this point, she rapidly goes into hiding (possibly unwittingly helped by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] on the ''Galactica''?) and later probably removes herself from the ship - or destroys herself.

During her time on the ''Galactica'', "Godfrey" very much reveals her underlying nature is very similar to that of her "sisters" as she attempts to seduce [[William Adama]].

Her appearance on the ''Galactica'' gives the clearest indication of all that Baltar's Six is an independent intelligence implanted in his head - and that, for all its statements to the contrary - it is somehow in contact with other humano-Cylons within the fleet (or at least in communication with any of its "sisters" which may be in the fleet). The appearance of "Shelly Godfrey" and the "disappearance" of Six from Baltar's mind is otherwise too coincidental to be believable.

A file photo of Godfrey exists in President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s office aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'' as part of a dossier of identified Cylon agents. When, where and how this photo, as well as the photos of [[Aaron Doral]] and [[Leoben Conoy]] were aquired is not known ("[[Epiphanies]]").

=== Notes ===

*The last name [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Godfrey '''Godfrey'''] is a derivative from Old French which in turn derives from the Old High German male proper name Godafrid which means "the peace of God".

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Richard Gibbs

2006-02-09T14:13:12Z

Dreamer: Added Interview link

'''Richard Gibbs''' is the composer of the [[Soundtrack (Mini-series)|soundtrack]] to the ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'' [[Miniseries]].

Gibbs is a very accomplished composer of many feature films and television shows, including "Queen of the Damned" (2002); "Doctor Dolittle" (1998); "Say Anything..." (1989); "The Simpsons Christmas Special" (1989); and "The Simpsons" TV episodes (1989) (working with fellow former [[Wikipedia:Oingo-Boingo|Oingo-Boingo]] member and "Simpsons" music theme creator [[Wikipedia:Danny Elfman|Danny Elfman]], a man with many TV and feature film composing credits of his own).

Gibbs has also performed or collaborated with many notable pop and rock musicians such as Chaka Khan and Melissa Etheridge.

Gibbs chose not to devote himself to composing the music for the Re-imagined Series as a whole, but did contribute some original work in a selected episodes of Season 1, leaving [[Bear McCreary]] as the music composer for most of the Re-imagined Series.

== External Links ==

*[http://richardgibbsmusic.com/ Official Richard Gibbs Website]
*[http://www.galactica2003.net/articles/gibbs112503.shtml Richard Gibbs Interview discussing the Battlestar Galactica Score]

[[Category: A to Z|Gibbs, Richard]] [[Category: Behind the Scenes|Gibbs, Richard]] [[Category: Crew|Gibbs, Richard]] [[Category:RDM|Gibbs, Richard]]

Richard Gibbs

2006-02-09T14:04:32Z

Dreamer: Added External Links/Official Site

'''Richard Gibbs''' is the composer of the [[Soundtrack (Mini-series)|soundtrack]] to the ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'' [[Miniseries]].

Gibbs is a very accomplished composer of many feature films and television shows, including "Queen of the Damned" (2002); "Doctor Dolittle" (1998); "Say Anything..." (1989); "The Simpsons Christmas Special" (1989); and "The Simpsons" TV episodes (1989) (working with fellow former [[Wikipedia:Oingo-Boingo|Oingo-Boingo]] member and "Simpsons" music theme creator [[Wikipedia:Danny Elfman|Danny Elfman]], a man with many TV and feature film composing credits of his own).

Gibbs has also performed or collaborated with many notable pop and rock musicians such as Chaka Khan and Melissa Etheridge.

Gibbs chose not to devote himself to composing the music for the Re-imagined Series as a whole, but did contribute some original work in a selected episodes of Season 1, leaving [[Bear McCreary]] as the music composer for most of the Re-imagined Series.

== External Links ==

[http://richardgibbsmusic.com/ Official Richard Gibbs Website]

[[Category: A to Z|Gibbs, Richard]] [[Category: Behind the Scenes|Gibbs, Richard]] [[Category: Crew|Gibbs, Richard]] [[Category:RDM|Gibbs, Richard]]

Bear McCreary

2006-02-08T14:35:30Z

Dreamer: Added External Links section/Official Website

A classically trained composer and multiple-award recipient, Bear McCreary is the mastermind behind the soundtrack to the hit sci-fi series, Battlestar Galactica. Having composed music since he was just 6 years old, and being a graduate of the USC Thornton School of Music, McCreary has a knack for creating classical pieces, as well as quirky, off-beat melodies. When not working on the BSG score, McCreary also composes soundtracks for independent movies as well.

== External Links ==

[http://www.bearmccreary.com/ Official Bear McCreary website.]

[[Category: A to Z|McCreary, Bear]] [[Category: Crew|McCreary, Bear]] [[Category: RDM|McCreary, Bear]]

User talk:Undc23

2006-02-08T14:29:51Z

Dreamer:

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki ==

Hi there and welcome to Battlestar Wiki! Hope you enjoy it here! If you have any questions, feel free to direct it at either myself or one of the old hands around here! Looking forward to you contributions! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:37, 20 December 2005 (EST)

== Character Template: Good addition! ==

Hi, there and welcome! Thanks for the addition of the character template. A similar format worked well in Wikipedia in topics such as The Matrix. I've made a tiny formatting change, but also wanted consensus on who should be defined as a character of note that should appear in the template. See the Talk page for the template for more. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:01, 28 December 2005 (EST)

== Disambig Work ==
Thanks for the industrious disambiguation work! It's down to a very reasonable number now. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:57, 21 January 2006 (EST)

== Whoops? ==

I accidentally re-added your deletions in the [[D'anna Biers]] entry (thought I deleted them by mistake). If you like them removed again please do so, apologies.

Number Three

2006-02-08T14:08:31Z

Dreamer: Added Lucy Lawless Wiki Link, readded lost age, birthname data

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'''D'anna Biers''' is known in [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] as a [[Colonial]] reporter for the [[Fleet News Service]] ([[Final Cut]]). Biers appears to be more of a tabloid rumor-and-innuendo format news journalist and less of the conventional Fleet journalist types such as [[James McManus]].

Biers is investigating the shootings of four civilians during a military intervention authorized by Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in what she dubs for sensationalism's sake as the ''"[[Gideon]] massacre"''. Her efforts to interview ''[[Galactica]]'s'' crew are constantly thwarted by military protocol and stonewalling by Commander [[William Adama|Adama]], who privately acknowledges Tigh's mistakes, but seems adamant not to render any punishment.

The social and political repercussions of the ''[[Gideon]]'' incident become too much for President [[Laura Roslin]] to ignore. The citizens of the Fleet are becoming critical of ''Galactica'' and wonder if the military places itself at a different level of self-responsibility than its citizens. Working with Commander Adama, President Roslin invites Biers aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'' and proposes something interesting to the reporter. Adama and Roslin will give Biers "unlimited" access to ''Galactica'' and her crew to create a documentary on what it is like to be the last defensive group of the Twelve Colonies, as well as allowing her to interview many of the crew on the ''Gideon'' incident.

Biers' is initially given a tour of the battlestar by Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]], but finds the nuts-and-bolts technology and layout information boring. She and her photographer, [[Bell]], prefer to record and interview the candid moments of ''Galactica's'' crew--even going so far as entering the senior pilot's quarters, where a scantily-clad [[Lee Adama]] finds the intrusion most unwelcome.

Biers begins in-depth personal interviews with many of the crew, including Dualla, Lieutenants [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]], [[Margaret Edmonson]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Karl Agathon]], as well as attempts to interview command staff such as Colonel Tigh. Of all the interviews, she desperately wants to ask Tigh many questions on his decisions in the ''Gideon'' incident, but Tigh stonewalls and evades her questions, partially from his annoyance in the situation, but also because he is distracted by a mysterious death threat left in his quarters: a verse of a poem from a Caprican poet known as [[Kataris]].

Biers appears to be in the right place at the wrong times throughout her documentary filming. She captures the growing behavioral problems with Lieutenant [[Louanne Katraine]], a Viper pilot who later crash-lands her Viper after failing a routine landing and is found to have been abusing [[stims]] because of the pressures she endures from the loss of her family and friends as well as the demands of being a Viper pilot. Biers also captures the sabotage to a [[Raptor]] that was intended to shuttle Colonel Tigh to ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' for some downtime for the colonel as well as a bit of business on orders of Commander Adama.

As Biers passes through [[sickbay]] during her documentary, she makes a highly unusual find. [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] is alive and being treated in sickbay. The existence of this second copy of the known [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon infiltrator]], who was thought to be dead by [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]], is too much for Biers not to document. However, Commander Adama intercepts Biers and demands that she give him the intriguing footage of Valerii. Biers pointedly asks why Adama is harboring this known Cylon in secret aboard the ship, and suggests that news of Valerii's existence could ruin Adama in the eyes of the Fleet. Adama evades the question and redirects it at Biers, asking whether exposure of this second Valerii's existence to the Fleet would do anyone any good. She surrenders a tape to Adama, but unknown to him, Biers retains the actual footage of Valerii in secret for herself.

Biers gets an opportunity to document what happens in [[CIC]] during a Cylon Raider raid at the Fleet.

As Biers is editing the documentary, reviewing the footage from the senior pilot's quarters, she sees [[Joe Palladino]] on his bunk with a copy of a book by Kataris. Biers' knowledge of Palladino's involvement in the ''Gideon'' incident immediately determines that Palladino is the likely suspect in the death threats. She and Bell grab their photo gear and rush to Tigh's quarters to find that Palladino has bound Tigh's wife, [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] and threatens to shoot Colonel Tigh with a sidearm. Tigh manages to talk the agitated lieutenant down and disarm him, where [[Colonial Marine Corps|marines]] take the wayward Viper pilot away.

Bier's final documentary is reviewed by Tigh, Adama, and President Roslin. While Tigh is initially perturbed at the documentary's unshiny look into Colonial military life, Adama finds it a good story, "warts and all." The documentary is broadcast to the Fleet, with Biers concluding the documentary with a rousing monologue:

:''"I came to ''Galactica'' to tell a story. In all honesty, I thought I knew what that story was before I ever set foot here. How an arrogant military let their egos get in the way of doing their job safeguarding the lives of the civilian population. But I found the truth was more complex than that. These people aren't Cylons. They're not robots blindly following orders and polishing their boots. They're people. Deeply flawed, yes, but deeply human too. And maybe that's saying the same thing. What struck me the most is that despite it all: the hardships, the stress, the ever-present danger of being killed-- despite all that, they never give up. Never lie down in the road and let the truck run them over. They wake up in the morning, put on their uniforms, and do their jobs. Every day, no pay. No rest. No hope of ever laying down the burden and letting someone else do the job. There are no relief troops coming, no Colonial fleet training new recruits every day. The people on ''Galactica'' are '''it'''. They are the thin line of blue separating us from the Cylons.''

:''"Lieutenant Gaeta told me a remarkable statistic. Not a single member of ''Galactica's'' crew has asked to resign. Not one. Think about that. If you wore the uniform, wouldn't you want to quit? To step aside and say, "Enough. Let someone else protect the Fleet." I know I would. But then, I don't wear a uniform. Most of us don't, most of us never will. The story of ''Galactica'' isn't that people make bad decisions under pressure. It's that those mistakes are the exception. Most of the time, the men and women serving under Commander Adama get it right. The proof is that our fleet survives. And with ''Galactica'' at our side, we will endure. This is D'anna Biers, Fleet News Service."''

But the Fleet is not the only group that sees the documentary. A group of humanoid Cylons on Caprica--copies of [[Aaron Doral]], [[Number Six]], another [[Sharon Valerii]] copy and one other person, hidden from view initially in the theater where they sit, watch Biers' documentary (including, surprisingly, the footage of the Sharon Valerii copy in sickbay that Adama had presumably confiscated) with great interest. The Valerii copy chuckles in surprise at the survival of her pregnant doppleganger on ''Galactica'', and the others are very intent on monitoring the pregnancy and survival of the Cylon/human hybrid fetus. The mysterious 4th person in the theater is revealed: a second copy of D'anna Biers, which notes that the Raiders that intercepted ''Galactica'' were used to relay the documentary and its forbidden footage of Valerii from themselves to a nearby Cylon fleet for transmission to Caprica, at the price of some loss of Cylon material.

==Notes==

*D'anna Biers is one of two [[Humano-Cylon]]s revealed in [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season 2]] so far. Her ultimate goals may have originally been to turn the civilians against ''[[Galactica]]'', but this plan may have been later abandoned. Her current goal seems to be to keep tabs on [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Valerii]], being held in ''Galactica's'' [[brig]].
*Since Biers has not appeared in past episodes that feature the fleet-wide press, it can be speculated that prior to the [[Cylon Attack]], she was more of a tabloid investigative reporter than a mainstream journalist.
*Biers' existence as a Cylon infiltrator brings the total number of revealed models to six as of "[[Final Cut]]". This leaves six unknown Humano-Cylon models as of this episode. [[Humano-Cylon#Speculated Infiltrators|Speculation on other characters]] and their true identities as Colonials or Cylon infiltrators is still ongoing.
*In behind the scenes interviews, Lucy Lawless has said that to contrast her character with ''Galactica's'' crew, D'Anna still wears fashionable clothes, make up, and jewelry, probably because she has access to some form of [[black market (organization)|black market]] in the Fleet.
*Lucy Lawless has stated that she will return as D'anna in 10 episodes of season 3 (fully half of the 20 episode season, though they might be interspersed throughout the season).
*[[Lucy Lawless]]' more renowned TV character, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xena Xena], originates from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphipolis Amphipolis]; an actual village situated between Greek provinces Macedonia and [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrace Thrace]. See also [[Kara Thrace]] entry.
*At the official [http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention], Lucy Lawless stated that:
{{spoiltext|(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics}}
*A recent issue of the magazine [http://www.lucylawless.info/battlestar-galactica/episode-guide/BSGseason2-ep18-downloaded.php ''Entertainment Weekly''] elaborated on Biers' upcoming role in the series, stating {{spoiltext|''The 10-episode arc, starting next season, will detail D'Anna's emergence as leader of her human-hating species, the Cylons. "I'm disinterested in playing a bleeding-heart Cylon," [Lucy] Lawless giggles. Besides, she points out cryptically, "no evil person thinks they're evil."''}}
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Number Three

2006-02-08T14:04:23Z

Dreamer: Added Xena/Thrace trivia

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'''D'anna Biers''' is known in [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] as a [[Colonial]] reporter for the [[Fleet News Service]] ([[Final Cut]]). Biers appears to be more of a tabloid rumor-and-innuendo format news journalist and less of the conventional Fleet journalist types such as [[James McManus]].

Biers is investigating the shootings of four civilians during a military intervention authorized by Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in what she dubs for sensationalism's sake as the ''"[[Gideon]] massacre"''. Her efforts to interview ''[[Galactica]]'s'' crew are constantly thwarted by military protocol and stonewalling by Commander [[William Adama|Adama]], who privately acknowledges Tigh's mistakes, but seems adamant not to render any punishment.

The social and political repercussions of the ''[[Gideon]]'' incident become too much for President [[Laura Roslin]] to ignore. The citizens of the Fleet are becoming critical of ''Galactica'' and wonder if the military places itself at a different level of self-responsibility than its citizens. Working with Commander Adama, President Roslin invites Biers aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'' and proposes something interesting to the reporter. Adama and Roslin will give Biers "unlimited" access to ''Galactica'' and her crew to create a documentary on what it is like to be the last defensive group of the Twelve Colonies, as well as allowing her to interview many of the crew on the ''Gideon'' incident.

Biers' is initially given a tour of the battlestar by Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]], but finds the nuts-and-bolts technology and layout information boring. She and her photographer, [[Bell]], prefer to record and interview the candid moments of ''Galactica's'' crew--even going so far as entering the senior pilot's quarters, where a scantily-clad [[Lee Adama]] finds the intrusion most unwelcome.

Biers begins in-depth personal interviews with many of the crew, including Dualla, Lieutenants [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]], [[Margaret Edmonson]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Karl Agathon]], as well as attempts to interview command staff such as Colonel Tigh. Of all the interviews, she desperately wants to ask Tigh many questions on his decisions in the ''Gideon'' incident, but Tigh stonewalls and evades her questions, partially from his annoyance in the situation, but also because he is distracted by a mysterious death threat left in his quarters: a verse of a poem from a Caprican poet known as [[Kataris]].

Biers appears to be in the right place at the wrong times throughout her documentary filming. She captures the growing behavioral problems with Lieutenant [[Louanne Katraine]], a Viper pilot who later crash-lands her Viper after failing a routine landing and is found to have been abusing [[stims]] because of the pressures she endures from the loss of her family and friends as well as the demands of being a Viper pilot. Biers also captures the sabotage to a [[Raptor]] that was intended to shuttle Colonel Tigh to ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' for some downtime for the colonel as well as a bit of business on orders of Commander Adama.

As Biers passes through [[sickbay]] during her documentary, she makes a highly unusual find. [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] is alive and being treated in sickbay. The existence of this second copy of the known [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon infiltrator]], who was thought to be dead by [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]], is too much for Biers not to document. However, Commander Adama intercepts Biers and demands that she give him the intriguing footage of Valerii. Biers pointedly asks why Adama is harboring this known Cylon in secret aboard the ship, and suggests that news of Valerii's existence could ruin Adama in the eyes of the Fleet. Adama evades the question and redirects it at Biers, asking whether exposure of this second Valerii's existence to the Fleet would do anyone any good. She surrenders a tape to Adama, but unknown to him, Biers retains the actual footage of Valerii in secret for herself.

Biers gets an opportunity to document what happens in [[CIC]] during a Cylon Raider raid at the Fleet.

As Biers is editing the documentary, reviewing the footage from the senior pilot's quarters, she sees [[Joe Palladino]] on his bunk with a copy of a book by Kataris. Biers' knowledge of Palladino's involvement in the ''Gideon'' incident immediately determines that Palladino is the likely suspect in the death threats. She and Bell grab their photo gear and rush to Tigh's quarters to find that Palladino has bound Tigh's wife, [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] and threatens to shoot Colonel Tigh with a sidearm. Tigh manages to talk the agitated lieutenant down and disarm him, where [[Colonial Marine Corps|marines]] take the wayward Viper pilot away.

Bier's final documentary is reviewed by Tigh, Adama, and President Roslin. While Tigh is initially perturbed at the documentary's unshiny look into Colonial military life, Adama finds it a good story, "warts and all." The documentary is broadcast to the Fleet, with Biers concluding the documentary with a rousing monologue:

:''"I came to ''Galactica'' to tell a story. In all honesty, I thought I knew what that story was before I ever set foot here. How an arrogant military let their egos get in the way of doing their job safeguarding the lives of the civilian population. But I found the truth was more complex than that. These people aren't Cylons. They're not robots blindly following orders and polishing their boots. They're people. Deeply flawed, yes, but deeply human too. And maybe that's saying the same thing. What struck me the most is that despite it all: the hardships, the stress, the ever-present danger of being killed-- despite all that, they never give up. Never lie down in the road and let the truck run them over. They wake up in the morning, put on their uniforms, and do their jobs. Every day, no pay. No rest. No hope of ever laying down the burden and letting someone else do the job. There are no relief troops coming, no Colonial fleet training new recruits every day. The people on ''Galactica'' are '''it'''. They are the thin line of blue separating us from the Cylons.''

:''"Lieutenant Gaeta told me a remarkable statistic. Not a single member of ''Galactica's'' crew has asked to resign. Not one. Think about that. If you wore the uniform, wouldn't you want to quit? To step aside and say, "Enough. Let someone else protect the Fleet." I know I would. But then, I don't wear a uniform. Most of us don't, most of us never will. The story of ''Galactica'' isn't that people make bad decisions under pressure. It's that those mistakes are the exception. Most of the time, the men and women serving under Commander Adama get it right. The proof is that our fleet survives. And with ''Galactica'' at our side, we will endure. This is D'anna Biers, Fleet News Service."''

But the Fleet is not the only group that sees the documentary. A group of humanoid Cylons on Caprica--copies of [[Aaron Doral]], [[Number Six]], another [[Sharon Valerii]] copy and one other person, hidden from view initially in the theater where they sit, watch Biers' documentary (including, surprisingly, the footage of the Sharon Valerii copy in sickbay that Adama had presumably confiscated) with great interest. The Valerii copy chuckles in surprise at the survival of her pregnant doppleganger on ''Galactica'', and the others are very intent on monitoring the pregnancy and survival of the Cylon/human hybrid fetus. The mysterious 4th person in the theater is revealed: a second copy of D'anna Biers, which notes that the Raiders that intercepted ''Galactica'' were used to relay the documentary and its forbidden footage of Valerii from themselves to a nearby Cylon fleet for transmission to Caprica, at the price of some loss of Cylon material.

==Notes==

*D'anna Biers is one of two [[Humano-Cylon]]s revealed in [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season 2]] so far. Her ultimate goals may have originally been to turn the civilians against ''[[Galactica]]'', but this plan may have been later abandoned. Her current goal seems to be to keep tabs on [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Valerii]], being held in ''Galactica's'' [[brig]].
*Since Biers has not appeared in past episodes that feature the fleet-wide press, it can be speculated that prior to the [[Cylon Attack]], she was more of a tabloid investigative reporter than a mainstream journalist.
*Biers' existence as a Cylon infiltrator brings the total number of revealed models to six as of "[[Final Cut]]". This leaves six unknown Humano-Cylon models as of this episode. [[Humano-Cylon#Speculated Infiltrators|Speculation on other characters]] and their true identities as Colonials or Cylon infiltrators is still ongoing.
*In behind the scenes interviews, Lucy Lawless has said that to contrast her character with ''Galactica's'' crew, D'Anna still wears fashionable clothes, make up, and jewelry, probably because she has access to some form of [[black market (organization)|black market]] in the Fleet.
*Lucy Lawless has stated that she will return as D'anna in 10 episodes of season 3 (fully half of the 20 episode season, though they might be interspersed throughout the season).
*Lucy Lawless' more renowned TV character, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xena Xena], originates from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphipolis Amphipolis]; an actual village situated between Greek provinces Macedonia and [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrace Thrace]. See also [[Kara Thrace]] entry.
*At the official [http://www.ausxip.com/conventions/2006burbank/taipo-conlucy.html Xena 2006 Convention], Lucy Lawless stated that:
{{spoiltext|(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play [[God]]?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But ''none of this is a done deal'', she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics}}
*A recent issue of the magazine [http://www.lucylawless.info/battlestar-galactica/episode-guide/BSGseason2-ep18-downloaded.php ''Entertainment Weekly''] elaborated on Biers' upcoming role in the series, stating {{spoiltext|''The 10-episode arc, starting next season, will detail D'Anna's emergence as leader of her human-hating species, the Cylons. "I'm disinterested in playing a bleeding-heart Cylon," [Lucy] Lawless giggles. Besides, she points out cryptically, "no evil person thinks they're evil."''}}
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Talk:Trivia/Archive 1

2006-02-08T06:19:59Z

Dreamer:

User talk:Spencerian

2006-02-08T05:58:47Z

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''For discussions prior to January 1, 2006, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpencerian&diff=21890&oldid=21664 click here.]''

== Thanks ==

For your comment and the welcome! Admittedly the entry walks a thin line in terms of RDM relativity and redundancy, however I believe it's one BSG fans are interested in, it provides a more general background for all things BSG and through it perhaps a better understanding of the series. Of course I may be part of a small minority saying this, but I'd at least like to see how the discussion goes on the trivia page before you obliterate my long, hard work from existence :) --[[User:Dreamer|Dreamer]] 00:30, 8 February 2006 (EST)

*I am confused: it wasn't really "hard work"; only 5 times appeared on your Trivia page. Further, the two notes that Grace Park and Tricia Helfer are models-turned-actresses were already in their biographies, and the notation the Glen Larson was working on Knight Rider was also in his article. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:53, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:I was joking on the hard work part, hence the smiley. I consider it only a personal stub, as to continue upon it and add further data in the near future. --[[User:Dreamer|dreamer]] 00:58, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==The CNP==

In the mini-series, Doral comes to Baltar on Ragnar with a list of civilian ships that have the CNP, which indicates that there are non-military ships with the program.

Furthermore, there are a '''lot''' of Vipers leaving the Galactica at Ragnar to engage the Cylons. I was under the impression there were only twenty Mark II Vipers aboard the Galactica, and that its original Mark VII squadron was destroyed on the way back to Caprica. Therefore, at least some of those Vipers might have been the survivors of other ships that made their way to Ragnar after Adama gave the order to rendezvous there for a counterattack.

Furthermore, later in the series, the Galactica seems to have an awful lot of Raptors, and Crashdown is described as being a refugee from the Triton, which IIRC was one of the battlestars destroyed around the time of the Atlantia. Therefore, it seems that some Raptors might have made their way there was well. The Raptors also have FTL (unlike, apparently, the Vipers) and judging by how the Raiders never tried to virus Boomer and Helo, Raptors might be less suspectible to Cylon interference, so any Raptors that escaped the destruction of their battlestars would have an easier time getting away from the Cylons then Vipers would.

Also, Dualla describes reports of system failures throughout the Fleet, and then describes how a battlestar lost power. How effective was the CNP with the capital ships? We've seen it used quite effectively on Vipers, but Dualla's description of its effects on battlestars is vague (power loss in at least one case and undescribed "system failures").

Congrats on being made Admin.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 12:16, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Hi, Mq59. I remember the scene with Doral (in CIC, Baltar was being "serviced" by virtual Six when he was interrupted) and will review it on my copy of the miniseries; you may be right on the CNP's use on civilian ships. As far as Crashdown's origination, it's not clear if he flew in on a Raptor (the largest of any refugee ship; no other indications show any other Colonial Fleet craft escaped to Ragnar) or even flew in at all; Valerii may have been kidding about a transfer he made from the ''Triton'' before the attack. We don't have enough information to pull a good speculation here, although I would defer it to escaped since we know Raptors have FTL ability and are small enough not to be noticed as well by Cylon forces. We just don't have any information from the Miniseries that additional ships made it. Raptors had CNP as well, but yes, since they are designed for electronic countermeasures, they may be less subceptible to infiltration, CNP or not. If you can find Doral's exact line to Baltar, that will be enough as a source. However, we shouldn't globally say that all civilian ships used the CNP; it's practical that commercial commerce ships, such as modern freighters, may use similar hardware from the same ship contractor that builds military ships and so have a similar specification for CNP. Most civilian ships, such as passenger liners, were just defenseless and easy to destroy, CNP or not.

:The CNP was very effective, obviously: all but two battlestars were destroyed. We saw in "Valley of Darkness" what happens when a battlestar is infected. We know that, while the battlestar may not have been fully shutdown like a fighter would, the number of systemic failures would be enough to leave a battlestar effectively defenseless and fodder for a basestar and her fighters. If a second Cylon fight occurred during "Valley", ''Galactica'' would have been screwed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:49, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Peter Farago found the "civilians with the CNP" quote and put it in the "Talk: CNP article."

I know no capital ships made it to Ragnar. However, it seemed they had too many Vipers and Raptors (the Vipers in the mini and the Raptors during the actual series) for an about-to-be-decommissioned ship.

The CNP worked--it seems like virtually all the Colonial Fleet was destroyed in a single day (not sure what length of time the miniseries actually covers, but it's not that long). I was curious about how effective it was and how many casualties the Cylons could have theoretically suffered.

I may write a fanfic called "The Death of the Poseidon" describing the destruction of a battlestar during the opening attack--the Raiders shut down virtually all of the Vipers and destroy the defenseless Raptors, but lose many Raiders trying to close with the "Poseidon" to trigger the CNP (a Raider "eye-dance" in the mini and "Flight of the Phoenix" seems to be the preferred way of jacking with the Colonials). The Poseidon's fire controls go haywire and main power shuts down, enabling the Cylons to launch a bunch of nukes. By the time they get the backups running, the nukes are too close to shoot down and BANG!

Hmm...if I make the battlestar the "Triton" instead of the "Poseidon," perhaps I can involve Crashdown.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 1:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Nice catch, MQ. I've readded your contribution with the source that Peter provided. Enlightening. For the Viper count, there is an article that tracks the number of Vipers, but it escapes me. [[Flight of the Phoenix]] has a notation on this. There are enough Vipers but fewer pilots nowandays. ''Galactica'' had two Mk.II squadrons at the start of the war.

:We don't host fan fiction here, of course, but I'm sure you'd have an audience for your story somewhere! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Does the Viper count include the mini-series? Four Vipers (I believe) were destroyed on-screen at the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. However, when the Vipers are launched, it looks like there are a lot more than the 30-odd Vipers they've got by "Flight of the Phoenix."

I saw the mini last night and Adama referred to "twenty Vipers" being in their museum section (the Mark IIs). Assuming Apollo left his Mark VII there when he took out his father's Mark II for a spin during the decommissioning, the other seven or so Mark VIIs they've got by "Flight" had to come from somewhere. This doesn't take casualties at Ragnar into account.

I have to actually start writing the story first. I've got one Internet project to finish within the next week or so, and classes for me (I am in college) resume Monday.--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 14:21, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:It's complicated. I'm currently keeping track of everything in the notes section of [[Galactica (RDM)]], but the matter may deserve its own article in the near future. My own impression, anyway, was that Galactica had two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (in active service out of the port flight pod) and one squadron ofn Mk. IIs (in the museum on the starboard pod). After the twenty Mk. VIIs in Ripper's squadron were destroyed, the Mk. IIs were reactivated, bringing the total to the (roughly) 40 fighters seen at the Ragnar battle. I'm not 100% sure of this, however, as there are still other sources to consult. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:33, 3 January 2006 (EST)

==Rank= Administrator==

OK. Now I'm jealous. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:51, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:''(yodaspeak)'' Be careful you should be, or [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|suffer my fate, you will!]] ''(/yodaspeak)'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:02, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:: '''''LOL!''''' --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 19:52, 4 January 2006 (EST)

==Welcome==
Thanks for the welcome - I probably won't be contributing all that much (admin duties on Wikipedia keep me busy, as well as the ''Doctor Who'' Wikiproject). Just had to correct some really nagging spelling mistakes. :) --[[User:Khaosworks|Khaosworks]] 17:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:I know the feeling. Joe (our admin) just empowered me and two others as sysops here, so I'm learning to budget my time--I used to be all over Wikipedia and their Matrix series pages until I found this place. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:27, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Editing User Pages==
From what I've learned of [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette|Wikiquette]] it is considered bad form to edit a user's page. However, I've been working the [[Special:Disambiguations|Disambiguations Page]] to try to get links pointed where they are intended to go, and one of the results on that page is a user page. I guess the first step would be to ask them to change it on their talk page, but considering their last contribution was a few months ago there's a good chance that they might never respond. I guess I should just let it go, but the OCD side of me wants the Disambuations Page to someday read like the Double Redirects page (0 results returned). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:58, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Sounds fine. Was this in reference to Day's adjustment on a link on my user page? It was understandable, so I ignored it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Oh, no. If I were to call out Day, I'd call him out. This was about my Viper disambig crusade today. [[User:Neochiiz3000]] has a link to Viper that I was thinking about switching to Viper (RDM). I've restrained myself, and the issue may resolve itself if we end up doing a redirect to Viper (RDM) off of Viper. If not, I'll ask first... and edit if there isn't a response for a while. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:39, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::Yeah, that sounds like the proper thing to do. As an admin, it should not be inappropriate for you to edit a user page after you ask for permission first and time elapses, or if the content of the page violates our policy. Yeah, I hope you had a script for that--how many pages did you DO!? You're going to wake up in a nightmare at 4 in the morning and scream "Viper!" --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:47, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Two things. One: Yeah, Steelviper. I broke my The <s>FLeet</s> Fleet purge into several phases (still not done as of this writing), so I would remain sane. Two: I felt that a) Spence would see the reasonability of my editing his user page that particular time and that b) he'd see my name by the edit and maybe be forgiving. However, this may be similar to the way that, after I know you a while, I get the idea that your personal space and my personal space can be the same space and that puts some people off, so lemme know if I got a bit close to you, there, Spence. And I mean that in general, not just in this one case. I don't plan on making a habit of editing others' user pages, but this ''is'' my first Wiki and I'm still learning the finer points of Wikiquette and which rules are hard a fast for all and which might be bent for "friends" etc. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:21, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::::Script? Man... that's a really good idea. I've not played with that yet, though, so all those edits you saw were manual. For some of the other big offenders (Battlestar, The Twelve Colonies) I was thinking of going more with the redirect + disambig on the top, since 95%+ of the new content is going to be about RDM... and I'm not sure if I could survive all 600+ of the disambig fixes. I didn't keep an exact count, but I cranked out around 100 viper edits. (I'd do blocks of about 10 to try to stay sharp). As for editing user pages, I'm with you Day (in that I wouldn't mind somebody who knew me to fix something that's broken, or maybe even somebody that didn't know me if it were particarly bad). However, I get the impression that some people are pretty sensitive about the issue, so I wanted to get a second opinion. I still need to drop a note to that user though... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:38, 18 January 2006 (EST)

==D'oh!==
Sorry about the goof up on the Crashdown page. I guess my enthusiasm got the better of me. Thanks for pointing me right. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 13:44, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:Not a problem. Sometimes I'm wrong (and do feel free to correct me if you see a goof), but what you noted was a common interpretation for others here, so you're not alone. It ''may'' be probable that a place known as Triton exists, but using Occam's Razor (simpliest answer is likely the correct one) is best here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:02, 19 January 2006 (EST)

== I feel like you don't ''talk'' to me any more... ==

That's a bit of a joke. However, I'm speaking of [[Talk:Saul Tigh#Picture?|this discussion]] that I tried to start after you changed Tigh's picture the first time. There was some discussion about it on the Island of Misfit Images and the, I think, two other people who chimed in agreed that the old one was much more nice looking. Anyway, I thought I'd prod you here for a response on Saul's talk page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:57, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Clear=both; ==

Ahha! [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=CIC&curid=797&diff=26666&oldid=26629 This page] looks much better now. Great use of the Empty-and-CLeared-Div trick. There are probably a few other articles that could use this. Anyway, wanted to give props. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:25, 25 January 2006 (EST)
:It's YOU I need to give props to. It's a simple bit of code that works well. Thanks for the help. I've been reluctant to update some pages in need of images because of formatting, so you've given me a good tool. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:14, 25 January 2006 (EST)

== Character Template Clarification ==
You didn't want it to get conversational over at the template talk, so I thought I'd ask here. What do you mean by "unneccessarily fill the template and it is growing ridiculously large"? Are you talking about the number of articles that link to the template ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Character_Data]])? Does the number of articles that utilize a template have a negative impact on that template somehow? I guess I don't understand the technical maintenance implications of it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)

: I meant the ''sheer dimensions of it'' (just [[Template:Characters]], not the character data template)...it's growing THICKER and THICKER and looks awful, worthless data notwithstanding. I can start to appreciate Peter's distaste for it now. I suggested the standard to aid in slowing down the amount of characters added to it, but nothing will stop the growth except to remove it altogether. A much smaller redesign could also help. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:27, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::Ah! Much clearer now! (I had just made a change inside Phelan's Character Data template, which had me in the wrong frame of mind.) I had (vaguely) noticed that the "Character" template was growing, but honestly I had come to ignore it. If it becomes a duplication of Category: Characters it ceases to be a navigational aid. I'd still like to come up with an elegant solution using Categories, but I don't think categories will be able to provide the immediate visual appeal that a (properly sized) character template is going to have.

::Do character templates always span the entire series? There might be a character that satisfies your criteria, but is not terribly relevant in a season or two. Is that just a function of character template maintenance (keep it up to date and trim), or a situation where you have character templates for different time periods/seasons? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:35, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::As Peter might attest, maintaining these things can be a bitch and be visually unappealing. I find that a similar template for the Matrix movies on Wikipedia works, but now I understand why Peter thinks it sucks here--it will grow like a cancer and pull much needed "white space" off the article, making things that much more cluttered. The Matrix stuff is generally over. But BG has to grow, and we have 50000 characters plus 12 Cylons to account for. I think we have enough links in articles to not deal with the character template, more I think of it. That thing is for browsing, nothing more. Or, we add in the central characters and regular guest stars and leave it at that. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::: I think we should kill it. Inject some Cylon baby blood and let our character pages walk tall and healthy again. If we want to aid browsing of characters by type or something, we could do some categorization that would work wonderfully, I think. We've talked about a lot, but, say, Main/Supporting (needs a new name, but both Bill and Saul would go here), Recurring (Zarek and that level of folk), Pilots/ECOs (also needs a new name), Command Staff, Civilians, Deck Crew, Marines... That way, someone could scroll down to the end and see a list of categories this character is in and choose what similarity they want to browse by. The current system assumes the user wants to browse by the criteria of Main/Supporting, whereas multiple categories let the ''user'' choose. This is maybe not the best place to voice this, huh? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:35, 4 February 2006 (EST)

User:Dreamer

2006-02-08T05:40:28Z

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User talk:Spencerian

2006-02-08T05:30:13Z

Dreamer:

''For discussions prior to January 1, 2006, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpencerian&diff=21890&oldid=21664 click here.]''

== Thanks ==

For your comment and the welcome! Admittedly the entry walks a thin line in terms of RDM relativity and redundancy, however I believe it's one BSG fans are interested in, it provides a more general background for all things BSG and through it perhaps a better understanding of the series. Of course I may be part of a small minority saying this, but I'd at least like to see how the discussion goes on the trivia page before you obliterate my long, hard work from existence :) --[[User:Dreamer|Dreamer]] 00:30, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==The CNP==

In the mini-series, Doral comes to Baltar on Ragnar with a list of civilian ships that have the CNP, which indicates that there are non-military ships with the program.

Furthermore, there are a '''lot''' of Vipers leaving the Galactica at Ragnar to engage the Cylons. I was under the impression there were only twenty Mark II Vipers aboard the Galactica, and that its original Mark VII squadron was destroyed on the way back to Caprica. Therefore, at least some of those Vipers might have been the survivors of other ships that made their way to Ragnar after Adama gave the order to rendezvous there for a counterattack.

Furthermore, later in the series, the Galactica seems to have an awful lot of Raptors, and Crashdown is described as being a refugee from the Triton, which IIRC was one of the battlestars destroyed around the time of the Atlantia. Therefore, it seems that some Raptors might have made their way there was well. The Raptors also have FTL (unlike, apparently, the Vipers) and judging by how the Raiders never tried to virus Boomer and Helo, Raptors might be less suspectible to Cylon interference, so any Raptors that escaped the destruction of their battlestars would have an easier time getting away from the Cylons then Vipers would.

Also, Dualla describes reports of system failures throughout the Fleet, and then describes how a battlestar lost power. How effective was the CNP with the capital ships? We've seen it used quite effectively on Vipers, but Dualla's description of its effects on battlestars is vague (power loss in at least one case and undescribed "system failures").

Congrats on being made Admin.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 12:16, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Hi, Mq59. I remember the scene with Doral (in CIC, Baltar was being "serviced" by virtual Six when he was interrupted) and will review it on my copy of the miniseries; you may be right on the CNP's use on civilian ships. As far as Crashdown's origination, it's not clear if he flew in on a Raptor (the largest of any refugee ship; no other indications show any other Colonial Fleet craft escaped to Ragnar) or even flew in at all; Valerii may have been kidding about a transfer he made from the ''Triton'' before the attack. We don't have enough information to pull a good speculation here, although I would defer it to escaped since we know Raptors have FTL ability and are small enough not to be noticed as well by Cylon forces. We just don't have any information from the Miniseries that additional ships made it. Raptors had CNP as well, but yes, since they are designed for electronic countermeasures, they may be less subceptible to infiltration, CNP or not. If you can find Doral's exact line to Baltar, that will be enough as a source. However, we shouldn't globally say that all civilian ships used the CNP; it's practical that commercial commerce ships, such as modern freighters, may use similar hardware from the same ship contractor that builds military ships and so have a similar specification for CNP. Most civilian ships, such as passenger liners, were just defenseless and easy to destroy, CNP or not.

:The CNP was very effective, obviously: all but two battlestars were destroyed. We saw in "Valley of Darkness" what happens when a battlestar is infected. We know that, while the battlestar may not have been fully shutdown like a fighter would, the number of systemic failures would be enough to leave a battlestar effectively defenseless and fodder for a basestar and her fighters. If a second Cylon fight occurred during "Valley", ''Galactica'' would have been screwed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:49, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Peter Farago found the "civilians with the CNP" quote and put it in the "Talk: CNP article."

I know no capital ships made it to Ragnar. However, it seemed they had too many Vipers and Raptors (the Vipers in the mini and the Raptors during the actual series) for an about-to-be-decommissioned ship.

The CNP worked--it seems like virtually all the Colonial Fleet was destroyed in a single day (not sure what length of time the miniseries actually covers, but it's not that long). I was curious about how effective it was and how many casualties the Cylons could have theoretically suffered.

I may write a fanfic called "The Death of the Poseidon" describing the destruction of a battlestar during the opening attack--the Raiders shut down virtually all of the Vipers and destroy the defenseless Raptors, but lose many Raiders trying to close with the "Poseidon" to trigger the CNP (a Raider "eye-dance" in the mini and "Flight of the Phoenix" seems to be the preferred way of jacking with the Colonials). The Poseidon's fire controls go haywire and main power shuts down, enabling the Cylons to launch a bunch of nukes. By the time they get the backups running, the nukes are too close to shoot down and BANG!

Hmm...if I make the battlestar the "Triton" instead of the "Poseidon," perhaps I can involve Crashdown.

--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 1:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Nice catch, MQ. I've readded your contribution with the source that Peter provided. Enlightening. For the Viper count, there is an article that tracks the number of Vipers, but it escapes me. [[Flight of the Phoenix]] has a notation on this. There are enough Vipers but fewer pilots nowandays. ''Galactica'' had two Mk.II squadrons at the start of the war.

:We don't host fan fiction here, of course, but I'm sure you'd have an audience for your story somewhere! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 3 January 2006 (EST)

Does the Viper count include the mini-series? Four Vipers (I believe) were destroyed on-screen at the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. However, when the Vipers are launched, it looks like there are a lot more than the 30-odd Vipers they've got by "Flight of the Phoenix."

I saw the mini last night and Adama referred to "twenty Vipers" being in their museum section (the Mark IIs). Assuming Apollo left his Mark VII there when he took out his father's Mark II for a spin during the decommissioning, the other seven or so Mark VIIs they've got by "Flight" had to come from somewhere. This doesn't take casualties at Ragnar into account.

I have to actually start writing the story first. I've got one Internet project to finish within the next week or so, and classes for me (I am in college) resume Monday.--[[User:mq59|mq59]] 14:21, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:It's complicated. I'm currently keeping track of everything in the notes section of [[Galactica (RDM)]], but the matter may deserve its own article in the near future. My own impression, anyway, was that Galactica had two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (in active service out of the port flight pod) and one squadron ofn Mk. IIs (in the museum on the starboard pod). After the twenty Mk. VIIs in Ripper's squadron were destroyed, the Mk. IIs were reactivated, bringing the total to the (roughly) 40 fighters seen at the Ragnar battle. I'm not 100% sure of this, however, as there are still other sources to consult. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:33, 3 January 2006 (EST)

==Rank= Administrator==

OK. Now I'm jealous. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:51, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:''(yodaspeak)'' Be careful you should be, or [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|suffer my fate, you will!]] ''(/yodaspeak)'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:02, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:: '''''LOL!''''' --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 19:52, 4 January 2006 (EST)

==Welcome==
Thanks for the welcome - I probably won't be contributing all that much (admin duties on Wikipedia keep me busy, as well as the ''Doctor Who'' Wikiproject). Just had to correct some really nagging spelling mistakes. :) --[[User:Khaosworks|Khaosworks]] 17:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:I know the feeling. Joe (our admin) just empowered me and two others as sysops here, so I'm learning to budget my time--I used to be all over Wikipedia and their Matrix series pages until I found this place. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:27, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Editing User Pages==
From what I've learned of [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette|Wikiquette]] it is considered bad form to edit a user's page. However, I've been working the [[Special:Disambiguations|Disambiguations Page]] to try to get links pointed where they are intended to go, and one of the results on that page is a user page. I guess the first step would be to ask them to change it on their talk page, but considering their last contribution was a few months ago there's a good chance that they might never respond. I guess I should just let it go, but the OCD side of me wants the Disambuations Page to someday read like the Double Redirects page (0 results returned). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:58, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Sounds fine. Was this in reference to Day's adjustment on a link on my user page? It was understandable, so I ignored it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Oh, no. If I were to call out Day, I'd call him out. This was about my Viper disambig crusade today. [[User:Neochiiz3000]] has a link to Viper that I was thinking about switching to Viper (RDM). I've restrained myself, and the issue may resolve itself if we end up doing a redirect to Viper (RDM) off of Viper. If not, I'll ask first... and edit if there isn't a response for a while. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:39, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::Yeah, that sounds like the proper thing to do. As an admin, it should not be inappropriate for you to edit a user page after you ask for permission first and time elapses, or if the content of the page violates our policy. Yeah, I hope you had a script for that--how many pages did you DO!? You're going to wake up in a nightmare at 4 in the morning and scream "Viper!" --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:47, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Two things. One: Yeah, Steelviper. I broke my The <s>FLeet</s> Fleet purge into several phases (still not done as of this writing), so I would remain sane. Two: I felt that a) Spence would see the reasonability of my editing his user page that particular time and that b) he'd see my name by the edit and maybe be forgiving. However, this may be similar to the way that, after I know you a while, I get the idea that your personal space and my personal space can be the same space and that puts some people off, so lemme know if I got a bit close to you, there, Spence. And I mean that in general, not just in this one case. I don't plan on making a habit of editing others' user pages, but this ''is'' my first Wiki and I'm still learning the finer points of Wikiquette and which rules are hard a fast for all and which might be bent for "friends" etc. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:21, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::::Script? Man... that's a really good idea. I've not played with that yet, though, so all those edits you saw were manual. For some of the other big offenders (Battlestar, The Twelve Colonies) I was thinking of going more with the redirect + disambig on the top, since 95%+ of the new content is going to be about RDM... and I'm not sure if I could survive all 600+ of the disambig fixes. I didn't keep an exact count, but I cranked out around 100 viper edits. (I'd do blocks of about 10 to try to stay sharp). As for editing user pages, I'm with you Day (in that I wouldn't mind somebody who knew me to fix something that's broken, or maybe even somebody that didn't know me if it were particarly bad). However, I get the impression that some people are pretty sensitive about the issue, so I wanted to get a second opinion. I still need to drop a note to that user though... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:38, 18 January 2006 (EST)

==D'oh!==
Sorry about the goof up on the Crashdown page. I guess my enthusiasm got the better of me. Thanks for pointing me right. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 13:44, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:Not a problem. Sometimes I'm wrong (and do feel free to correct me if you see a goof), but what you noted was a common interpretation for others here, so you're not alone. It ''may'' be probable that a place known as Triton exists, but using Occam's Razor (simpliest answer is likely the correct one) is best here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:02, 19 January 2006 (EST)

== I feel like you don't ''talk'' to me any more... ==

That's a bit of a joke. However, I'm speaking of [[Talk:Saul Tigh#Picture?|this discussion]] that I tried to start after you changed Tigh's picture the first time. There was some discussion about it on the Island of Misfit Images and the, I think, two other people who chimed in agreed that the old one was much more nice looking. Anyway, I thought I'd prod you here for a response on Saul's talk page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:57, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Clear=both; ==

Ahha! [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=CIC&curid=797&diff=26666&oldid=26629 This page] looks much better now. Great use of the Empty-and-CLeared-Div trick. There are probably a few other articles that could use this. Anyway, wanted to give props. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:25, 25 January 2006 (EST)
:It's YOU I need to give props to. It's a simple bit of code that works well. Thanks for the help. I've been reluctant to update some pages in need of images because of formatting, so you've given me a good tool. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:14, 25 January 2006 (EST)

== Character Template Clarification ==
You didn't want it to get conversational over at the template talk, so I thought I'd ask here. What do you mean by "unneccessarily fill the template and it is growing ridiculously large"? Are you talking about the number of articles that link to the template ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Character_Data]])? Does the number of articles that utilize a template have a negative impact on that template somehow? I guess I don't understand the technical maintenance implications of it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)

: I meant the ''sheer dimensions of it'' (just [[Template:Characters]], not the character data template)...it's growing THICKER and THICKER and looks awful, worthless data notwithstanding. I can start to appreciate Peter's distaste for it now. I suggested the standard to aid in slowing down the amount of characters added to it, but nothing will stop the growth except to remove it altogether. A much smaller redesign could also help. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:27, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::Ah! Much clearer now! (I had just made a change inside Phelan's Character Data template, which had me in the wrong frame of mind.) I had (vaguely) noticed that the "Character" template was growing, but honestly I had come to ignore it. If it becomes a duplication of Category: Characters it ceases to be a navigational aid. I'd still like to come up with an elegant solution using Categories, but I don't think categories will be able to provide the immediate visual appeal that a (properly sized) character template is going to have.

::Do character templates always span the entire series? There might be a character that satisfies your criteria, but is not terribly relevant in a season or two. Is that just a function of character template maintenance (keep it up to date and trim), or a situation where you have character templates for different time periods/seasons? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:35, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::As Peter might attest, maintaining these things can be a bitch and be visually unappealing. I find that a similar template for the Matrix movies on Wikipedia works, but now I understand why Peter thinks it sucks here--it will grow like a cancer and pull much needed "white space" off the article, making things that much more cluttered. The Matrix stuff is generally over. But BG has to grow, and we have 50000 characters plus 12 Cylons to account for. I think we have enough links in articles to not deal with the character template, more I think of it. That thing is for browsing, nothing more. Or, we add in the central characters and regular guest stars and leave it at that. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::: I think we should kill it. Inject some Cylon baby blood and let our character pages walk tall and healthy again. If we want to aid browsing of characters by type or something, we could do some categorization that would work wonderfully, I think. We've talked about a lot, but, say, Main/Supporting (needs a new name, but both Bill and Saul would go here), Recurring (Zarek and that level of folk), Pilots/ECOs (also needs a new name), Command Staff, Civilians, Deck Crew, Marines... That way, someone could scroll down to the end and see a list of categories this character is in and choose what similarity they want to browse by. The current system assumes the user wants to browse by the criteria of Main/Supporting, whereas multiple categories let the ''user'' choose. This is maybe not the best place to voice this, huh? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:35, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Talk:Trivia/Archive 1

2006-02-08T05:08:03Z

Dreamer:

Battlestar Galactica (TRS)

2006-02-08T04:18:09Z

Dreamer:

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[[Image:Image lg bgcast.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Some of the central cast of the new "Battlestar Galactica" series.<br>(c) Universal]]
A re-imagining of the original ''Battlestar Galactica'', currently in its second season.

==Summary==
Considered a "[[Wikipedia:Reboot_%28continuity%29|re-imagining]]", this series is a version of the 1970s ''Battlestar Galactica'' made more suitable to the sensibilities of the 21st Century. Tackling issues of civil rights, survival, terrorism, and religion, ''Battlestar Galactica'' is an epic following the survivors of the human race -- which number under 50,000. The ''[[Galactica]]'' finds herself leading a rag-tag refugee fleet on a lonely (and quite possibly, ficticious) quest for [[Earth]], with turmoil from within and danger from without.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as Commander [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as President [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Captain Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Sharon Valerii]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as CPO [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lieutenat [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer (2nd Class) [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors===
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Marita+Grabiak Marita Grabiak] (episode 1.02 "Water")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Rod+Hardy Rod Hardy] (episode 1.04 "Act of Contrition") (episode 1.06 "Litmus") (episode 2.05 "Farm, The")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alan+Kroeker Alan Kroeker] (episode 1.03 "Bastille Day") (episode 2.04 "Resistance")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan] (episode 1.05 "You Can't Go Home Again") (episode 2.03 "Fragged") (episode 2.06 "Home: Part 1") (episode 2.17 "The Captain's Hand")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Nankin Michael Nankin] (episode 2.09 "Flight of the Phoenix")
* [[Edward James Olmos]] (episode 1.09 "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jonas+Pate Jonas Pate] (episode 1.11 "Colonial Day")
* [[Michael Rymer]] (episode 1.00 "Miniseries") (episode 1.01 "33") (episode 1.12 "Kobol's Last Gleaming: Part 1") (episode 1.13 "Kobol's Last Gleaming: Part 2") (episode 2.01 "Scattered") (episode 2.02 "Valley of Darkness") (episode 2.10 "Pegasus") (episode 2.11 "Resurrection Ship, Part 1") (episode 2.12 "Resurrection Ship, Part 2")
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Woolnough Jeff Woolnough] (episode 1.10 "Hand of God, The") (episode 2.07 "Home: Part 2")
* [http://us.imdb.com/m/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young] (episode 1.07 "Six Degrees of Seperation, epi 2.08 "Final Cut")

===Writing Staff===
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Carla+Robinson Carla Robinson]
* [[Bradley Thompson]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brad+Turner Brad Turner]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Vlaming Jeff Vlaming]
* [[David Weddle]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young]

==Episodes==
*[[Mini-Series]] (2003)
===Season 1 (2004-05)===
*1.01 [[33]]
*1.02 [[Water]]
*1.03 [[Bastille Day]]
*1.04 [[Act of Contrition]]
*1.05 [[You Can't Go Home Again]]
*1.06 [[Litmus]]
*1.07 [[Six Degrees of Separation]]
*1.08 [[Flesh and Bone]]
*1.09 [[Secrets and Lies]] (aka: [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])
*1.10 [[The Hand of God]]
*1.11 [[Colonial Day]]
*1.12 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]
*1.13 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]
===Season 2 (2005-06)===
*2.01 [[Scattered]]
*2.02 [[Valley of Darkness]]
*2.03 [[Fragged]]
*2.04 [[Resistance]]
*2.05 [[The Farm]]
*2.06 [[Home, Part I]]
*2.07 [[Home, Part II]]
*2.08 [[Final Cut]]
*2.09 [[Flight of the Phoenix]]
*2.10 [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]
*2.11 [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]
*2.12 [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]
*2.13 [[Epiphanies]]
*2.14 [[Sacrifice]]
*2.15 [[Black Market]]
*2.16 [[Scar]]
*2.17 [[The Captain's Hand]]
*2.18 [[Downloaded]]
*2.19 [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
*2.20 [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]

== Official Statements ==

* ''"Apart from the fleet, is there any chance that there are other survivers? Clearly ''[[Colonial One]]'' would not have gotten to every ship that was in transit and those that had [[FTL]] could have escaped as well."''

:We are talking about shows that deal with other survivors right now. Don't ask about the [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] -- I [still] haven't made up my mind yet.

* ''"Will we see any of the [[:Category:Cast (TOS)|origonal cast (sic)]] appart from [[Richard Hatch]]? "''

: It's possible, but not yet on the board. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Why [[frak|"frack" (sic)]]? Where did the idea come from to make this the new F-word? Not that I don't like it, I find it amusing."''

: It's straight out of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]. I dropped many other terms from the old show like "[[centon]]" (a unit of measurement) and "[[yahren]]" (year) because I felt they distracted from the mood I was trying to create and they sounded a bit silly to my ear. There was something elegantly lovely about "[[frak]]," however. There's nothing like being able to say my favorite four letter word on TV over and over again and I salute [[Glen Larson]] for giving the joys of frakking up, frakking off, not giving a frak, and frakking-A to the masses. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Why does the doctor smoke?"''

:Because smoking is cool. Don't let anyone tell you different, kid.

:Seriously, we're showing people doing what people really do and not all of their choices are smart ones. We smoke, we drink, we have sex with the wrong partners -- we make lots of bad choices and some of them we do knowingly and in full cognizance of the risks and consequences. Dr. [[Cottle]] obviously knows the risks associated with smoking and he elects to do it anyway -- that's his choice.

:I'm also frankly tired of all the anti-smoking p.c. crap that we're bombarded with these days and I decided that this was a world without all that. Call it my one sop to the idea of an idealized society, the notion that adults can make informed choices and not be nagged to death or run out of public spaces for making choices that others may not like or agree with. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistant with the Navy."''

:The rank structure is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]. I didn't want to change Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] to Captain Adama or Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:

:'''Officers''' --
:Admiral
:Commander
:Colonel
:Major
:Captain
:Lieutenant
:Lieutenant (junior grade)
:Ensign

:'''Enlisted''' --
:Master Chief Petty Officer
:Chief Petty Officer
:Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)
:Specialist
:Deck Hand
:Recruit

:Just to complicate matters further, there are also [[Marines]] aboard ''[[Galactica]]'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors, etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked? -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Will we see the mess hall and other parts of the ship such as the main Kitchen where all the meals are prepared?"''

:I'd like to. It's a question of budget; there has to be a story point or scene so cool that we just have to build this set. The Head (bathroom to you lubbers) was built in the [[33|pilot]] specifically so we'd have it around during the series. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Was this the first show to ever show a bathroom on a space ship?"''

:It's ground-breaking TV, baby. Talk about reinventing the genre. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

:'''Note:''' While we are uncertain as to what show as the "first" to show a bathroom on a space ship, we know that this series was not the first to do so. One of the few shows prior to ''Battlestar'' to show a bathroom was, in fact, a second season episode of ''Babylon 5''.

* ''"Minor question: was [[Galactica]] ever re-commissioned? As I recall, the ship was decommissioned right before the [[Cylon attack]]. It'd be nice to show the ceremony if they ever get a free moment."''

:It's an interesting point. Might be something to play at some point, but more really as an "Oh, I haven't thought about it, but..." kind of thing. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"The question I would really like to see addressed is how to reconcile the underlying quest of ''Battlestar Galactica'' with actual scientific plausiability. The quest of Battlestar Galactica is to find [[Earth]], the 13th Colony. However, it is a basic and well-substantiated tenet of science that human life here on Earth evolved slowly from a primate ancestor. Attempts to deny evolution based on the notion that human kind deserves a far more worthy origin than what evolution details, are a diservice to the pursuit of scientific truth and endeavors in our own world. There was always that reactionary sense to the original series, which drove it away from a secure standing as *science* fiction. How will the new series avoid this pitfall?"''

:I don't have a direct answer for this question yet. There are a couple of notions rolling around in my head as to how we reconcile the very real fact of evolution with the ''Galactica'' mythos, but I haven't decided which approach to take. However, it was a fundamental element of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|orginal (sic) ''Galactica'']] mythos that "Life here began out there..." and I decided early on that it was crucial to maintain it. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"How did you come to decide upon [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Mary McDonnell]] for their roles? This kind of project seems somewhat out of their typical genre - did either have second thoughts about taking on the project?"''

:Eddie and Mary were actually the archetypes for the characters when we were developing the series. [[David Eick]] and I used to sit around and talk about what kind of actors would play [[William Adama|Adama]] and [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] and we always talked about these two Oscar level actors as our dream duo for the series, but we never really thought we'd get them. They've told the story themselves of why they decided to do the project, but in essence, they really responded to the [[Mini-Series|pilot script]] and saw a lot of potential in the characters so they went for it, to our everlasting gratitude. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* "Are you using military advisors and if so, from what branch?"

:We don't have a full time military advisor on staff. However, we did have [[Ron Blecker|an advisor]] on set during the miniseries, who also put the principal actors through a "boot camp" before shooting. I can't honestly remember his name or service branch (sorry if you're reading this!) As far as the scripts go, [[Bradley Thompson]], [[David Weddle]], and I provide a lot of the military technical details based on our own knowledge base. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"I'll second the question - why is it that the paper in the Galactica universe has the corners cut off, even the tractor fed printer sheets! i just want to know."''

:This is a closely guarded secret of the show and certainly not a wacky design element that someone came up with during the [[Mini-Series|miniseries]]. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

:'''Note:''' It has been admitted by some of the production staff that this is, more or less, a joke that went overboard -- namely one derived from the fact that corners had to be cut in order to keep within the budget for the mini. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"You mentioned that the reason that the ''[[Galactica]]'' was so low-tech was that it was designed to fight the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], who could possibly infiltrate it's systems, and that this was one of the reasons it survived. If that is so, then who were the other ships designed to fight? The 120 ships alluded to are a big force just for border patrol. Are there aliens we should know about? "''

:The first [[Cylon War]] came very close to wiping out the [[Colonies]], and so when the [[Cimtar Peace Accord|Armistice]] was declared, the government maintained a large standing military force for quite some time, just in case. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"Mythos. Every science fiction show that stands the test of time needs to develop its own Mythos. By this I mean, its own unique cultural identity. For instance ''Star Wars'' has its Jedi, its Force; ''Star Trek'' has its Prime directive, beaming, and warps (sic) speed. As a writer you are aware of this and having worked in the ''Star Trek'' franchise are rather qualified in it. What will are your thoughts and insights into the development of Mythos in this new BSG child that you are tending to and caring for? Especially, since there seems to be heavy pressure to incorporate the original mythos themes of the show, will this be a guiding blueprint for thought, or just a framework to create? "''

:The mythology of the new ''Galactica'' is heavily influenced by that established in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original]]. I've always approached this project with an eye toward taking the original material and making it work in a new context. I still try to do this whenever possible. Does it make sense that there would be a star system with [[Twelve Colonies|12 inhabitable planets]]? Not really, but that was in the original and at some point I decided to run with that as another nod to the old show. The mythology of the old show centered around [[Kobol]] and the thirteen "tribes of man," so I've kept it as the centerpiece of ours. Not every single element is the same and not every element is even intact, but the roots are there. The point was to make another version of ''Battlestar Galactica'', not just use the name. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"I was watching ''Wing Commander'' last night with my wife and she made a comment that the Kilrathi fighter looked pretty similar to the Cylon Raider. I know that some of the production staff from Wing Commander went on to begin production on the [[Tom DeSanto|DeSanto]] continuation, but is there in fact any sort of link here? I mean I first thought Droid Fighter from ''Star Wars: Episode One'', but that seems to be some kind of common design going on. "''

:"Wing Commander" is frequently mentioned to me as a possible influence on the show, but I've never actually seen it. While it's possible that other members of the production team were influenced by it, it wasn't something that figured into my thinking. My own design influences were things like "Das Boot" "Blade Runner" "Alien/Aliens" and a stack of documentaries on the modern and history US and Royal Navies.

*''"My questions: Can the show explain a little more about their technology, for example how fast are the [[FTL]] jumps. It seems the fleet barely moves when not jumping, if the jumps are only light speed and not multiples of, some of the sublight ships could conceivably catch up (the ones not destroyed by cylons)"''

:An [[FTL]] Jump is nearly instantaneous, essentially moving a ship from point A to point B without travelling through the normal space-time continuum, presumably by bending space around the ship in some way. The analogy I used during production was to imagine three dimensional space as a flat piece of two dimensional paper. To get from one side to the other, you can travel in a straight line across the page, or you can gently bend the sheet in half and cross from edge to edge virtually instantly. How this is accomplished and what is the basis of this technology outstrips my technical brainpower.

:In fact, I feel faint just coming up with that explanation... -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Did the [[Twelve Colonies|colonies]] have outposts, bases, or trade partners outside of the 12 colonies. Did they even explore other systems. The colonies could have had observatories, listening posts, or even scientific research teams exploring other planets beyond the colonial system(s). They could encounter any of these which could lead to supplies, raw materials, food, fuel etc. "''

:I think that's probably true, but part of our premise is that the fleet has Jumped far out into unexplored space in an effort to elude the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], so we won't be encountered any other outposts or colonies. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"Are there any similarities between your reconception of the BG universe and where you might have gone if you'd been given the reigns of ''Voyager''?"''

:There are similiarities in the premise of the two shows, so yes, there are things I'm applying here that I would've like to have done in [Star Trek:] ''Voyager'', i.e., lack of resources, the development of unique cultural and civil institutions, and internal strife among people trapped aboard ship(s) without any reasonable hope of finding sanctuary anytime soon. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"I have a friend who has a son and they both enjoy watching the new ''Battlestar Galactica''. But it is a very frustrating thing when he cannot allow his son watch the show when there are sex scenes and constant sexual innuendo scattered throughout the episodes.

:"The standard of the stories are superb and I would have to say it is one of the finest sci fi series I have seen in a long time. BUT IT DOESNT NEED SEX TO GET THE VIEWERS. Call me a little old fashioned but I nor others that I know really appreciate having to endure sex scenes that really do not further the story in any significant way. In fact I think they are rather pointless."''

:First of all, I'm sorry your friend can't watch the show with his son, but I always intended this series to be for adults. I have two small children, and I wouldn't dream of letting them watch the show -- mostly because of the violent content. Second of all, I disagree that the sexuality is intended to be exploitative or that it's somehow not integral to the story. We're presenting adult human beings as adults, and their sexuality is a key part of their lives. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s sexual weaknesses, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon]] & [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s forbidden love affair, and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s promiscuity are part of who and what they are. I think the only reason this gets the kind of attention is does is that we're not used to seeing sex treated maturely in science fiction -- nine times out of ten, any sex is either something to snigger at or to make fun of. Somehow it's okay to fetishize sex by putting women in S&M leather "space" outfits or have Carrie Fisher run around in harem clothes (not that there's anything wrong with that), but to portray two mature adults simply having sex is somehow controversial in sci-fi circles.

:I'd also point out, as I have many times before, the strange standards of American audiences, who can become red-faced with indignation over nudity, but find no problem with slasher films or chains-saw massacres. I mean, ''Galactica'''s premised on a massive genocide, and [[Mini-Series|the pilot]] deals with violent, shocking deaths over and over again, but people get upset about the sex? Weird.... -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* Regarding the financial cost per episode of ''Battlestar'': "I can tell you that it’s well over one-and-a-half million dollars US per episode. It’s a substantial budget, especially when you convert it into Canadian dollars—and what we’re able to get up there—it’s a lot of money." [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]

* ''Regarding a typical day as an executive producer on ''Battlestar'':''

: The job changes as the year goes on. Right now, before we start shooting, my time is spent almost exclusively here with the writing staff. I’m writing an episode at the moment. I wrote the first episode and I’m writing the second one. The writers meet by themselves…they break some stories…I come in and give notes…and we talk about directions for other episodes. Then, as time goes on, they’ll start generating scripts and stories, and I give notes on those. I’m also taking notes from the network and the studio on previous existing material.

: There’ll also be more of me going back and forth between LA and Vancouver. And as we get closer to production, then there’ll be more looking at production designs, dealing with budgetary issues, having meetings with directors and actors, looking at casting tapes for guest-star roles. Once we get into production and start generating film, there’s dailies to watch…post moves forward and there’s cuts of episodes to watch…and there’s visual effects sequences to give notes on.

: There’s not really a typical day, per say. You have to be nimble and on your feet and able to keep changing direction. You have to cover all these different bases, and sometimes you can’t run to first. Sometimes you have to run to third, and then run back home, and then run to second. It’s never a complete pattern.

: I believe very much in delegating authority to the department heads, in empowering people and having them take responsibility for the work. My principal job is to maintain the overall vision of the piece. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]

* From the "Fashioning Verisimilitude" article / interview on [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com Hollywood North Report (HNR)]:

: '''Robert Falconer:''' And I guess the whole concept of the show, by definition, is that of a bottle show.

: '''Ron Moore:''' Yeah. And it was designed that way from the get-go. When [[David Eick]] and I went in and pitched it initially—knowing how expensive space opera can be—we designed it to be affordable on what we could get on a SCI-FI Channel budget. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]

* ''Regarding the use of bullets versus lasers on the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], as explained by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]:''

: [The bullets are s]ome sort of caseless ammunition. We had long technical discussions about some of this. What mattered to us was that they weren’t laser blasts. We just felt that had been done to death, it wasn’t as interesting, and it wasn’t realistic. From our research we discovered that such weapons would take huge amounts of energy, and that fighters would probably be better served by using actual bullets. But presumably they’re more advanced than what we’re using today, although we haven’t actually sat down and defined them as such. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm]

* ''Regarding the reconciliation between [[William Adama]] and his son [[Lee Adama]] at the end of the [[Mini-Series]], as explained by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]:''

: I think it will go up and it will go down, like any father-son dynamic does. I think they bridged a gap in the miniseries that certainly had held them apart for a couple of years. I don’t think that issue has been completely resolved, but they’ve moved past it to a certain point. Now they’re in a new relationship and a new dynamic…they’re father and son and they’re also serving on the same ship, and the stresses and pressures of that will affect the relationship. I think it’s interesting that Lee Adama has a strong relationship with [[Laura Roslin|Laura]], and that he in some respects is a bridge between her and his father. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm]

* '''Edward James Olmos''': The stories are just, really, stunning. I have wept reading this thing, I have been left amazed and I've been left totally in awe. {{ref|BSG_2.0_DVD}}

== See Also ==

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_science_fiction A description on Wikipedia on naturalistic SF] concepts used in the series
* [[Trivia]]

== References ==

* {{note|BSG_2.0_DVD}} [[Battlestar Galactica: Season 2.0]], the Region 1 DVD

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 1 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Season 2 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
* [[List of Emmy Nominations and Wins]]

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