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The Plan

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| title= The Plan
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| writer= [[Jane Espenson]]
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| director= [[Edward James Olmos]]
| production= 101 - 01001
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| US airdate=January 10, 2010
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| dvd=October 27, 2009
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==Overview==
: ''Set during the events from the [[Miniseries]] to Season 2's "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]," this story is told from the [[Cylon (RDM)|Cylons']] perspective, centering on two distinct [[Number One|Cavil]] copies as they try to fulfill the Cylons' plan.''

==Summary==
The story begins ''[[w:in_medias_res|in medias res]]'', with the two Cavils from "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" being escorted to the airlock. The two Cavils argue about the worthiness of their plan to destroy humanity, with Caprica-Cavil beginning to tell Galactica-Cavil why the genocide of humanity was a mistake.

From here, the tale begins as a single narrative, documenting the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], before splitting into two distinct but related stories on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

===Fall of the Twelve Colonies ===
*Two weeks before the attack, two [[Number One]]s in a [[Resurrection Ship]] near [[the Colony]] are standing over the [[resurrection tank]]s containing insensate copies of the "[[Final Five]]:" [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]], [[Samuel T. Anders]], [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Tory Foster]]. The Ones expect that the Final Five will be killed in the destruction of the Twelve Colonies and then resurrect into these bodies and apologize to the Ones for their former appreciation of humanity. One of the Ones plans on joining the active version of Ellen Tigh on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]] so that he can experience the holocaust in person, while the other One will go to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] to make final arrangements with their contact.
*Fourteen hours before the attack, [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six|Six]] walk through the Government Center Plaza in [[Caprica City]]. Shortly after their goodbyes, Six meets up with One and passes off the access codes to the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]]. One recommends she kill herself before the attack, suggesting poison as a relatively easy method.
*Shortly before the attack, Ellen is in the Club Pink Moon, a topless bar on Picon. The other One approaches her and strikes up a conversation, with Cavil introducing himself as a "mysterious stranger." She asks if he is a priest, and he ducks the question.
*At the Colony, the Cylon fleet stands in formation. The [[Hybrid]] gives the order and the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] simultaneously jump to the Colonies.
*On Caprica, the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] are at a [[Pyramid (RDM)|pyramid]] training camp in the mountains near [[Delphi]]. Among the players are [[Samuel Anders]], [[Jean Barolay]] and [[Sue-Shaun]]. Watching from the sidelines is the team coach as well as the team doctor, a [[Number Four]] [[humanoid Cylon]].
*In the Caprican city of Delphi, Tory Foster is driving to the airport to catch a flight to Caprica City. En route, she is talking with a man on the phone about her government work.
*Above Caprica, dozens of basestars and at least one [[Resurrection Ship]] jump into orbit. Several of the basestars rotate around their axes to form a y-pattern, allowing them to enter Caprica's atmosphere.
*The Hybrid, presumably using the access codes given to Cavil by Six, infiltrates Colonial defenses.
[[File:Bsyashuman.jpg|thumb|''Yashuman'' and two other battlestars prepare to engage the Cylons above Caprica.]]
*On Picon, Ellen and Cavil debate the ability of people to change. Ellen's flippant, rebuking response to Cavil's argument for others needing "correcting" visibly frustrates him. She later tells him that people who let others make them change or apologize sell themselves out.
*In orbit of Caprica, three [[Valkyrie|''Valkyrie'' type battlestars]] led by the battlestar ''[[Yashuman]]'', along with several wings of [[Viper Mark VII|Viper Mk. VII]]s, move to intercept the Cylons. Caprican Control reports that they are unable to track and respond to the Cylons due to a system-wide crash in the defense mainframe.
*As the Colonials prepare to engage, the Cylons use the backdoors installed by [[Caprica-Six|Six]] into the [[Command Navigation Program]] to shut down the Colonial ships. The battlestars and Vipers drift helplessly in space, unable to speak to each other.
[[Image:Cylon_mirv.jpg|thumb|A Cylon MIRV.]]
*The Cylons launch multiple missiles towards the surface of Caprica. As they approach the ground, the missiles open up to reveal over a [[w:MIRV|dozen independent nuclear warheads in each]]. The warheads separate, vector off in multiple directions and detonate.
*On Picon, Ellen and Cavil are startled as a nuclear shock wave hits the Pink Moon, indicating detonations on that planet as well. Cavil shields Ellen as the shock wave hits them.
*Delphi is hit, and Foster watches in horror as the shock wave consumes her vehicle.
*Anders quietly whispers to himself, "[[Earth (RDM)#Arrival and Ruins|This has happened before]]," as his teammates react to the several mushroom clouds seen in the distance. The Four secretly smiles at the destruction.
*The [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], along with the docked ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', are attacked by Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] as multiple nuclear detonations occur across the surface of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Scorpia|Scorpia]].
*On [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]], Cylon forces attack a city as several ships hastily take off. On board one of them, another Four carries a young girl through the crowds of evacuating people.
*A passenger ship in orbit of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Canceron|Canceron]] is shaken by nuclear detonations on that planet. Among the passengers is a visibly happy [[Shelly Godfrey]].
*The Hybrid reports on the successful attack on all [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].
*On board ''[[Galactica]]'', [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] informs [[Saul Tigh]] of the attack as the ship enters [[action stations]].
*A wounded Foster crawls out of the remains of her car to find herself standing in the smoldering ruins of Delphi. Nearby, several [[SAR]] Raptors land, presumably evacuating Foster and any other survivors before rendezvousing with [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s [[The Fleet (RDM)|fleet]].
*Several SAR birds also comb the wreckage of Picon. In the ruins of the Pink Moon, a severely wounded Ellen has a flashback to the Fall of Earth. Cavil stands over her, assuring her that she is not going to die yet because she has more left to learn. Both Ellen and Cavil are soon evacuated by the SAR Raptors, also presumably meeting up with Roslin's fleet.
*[[Lee Adama]] helps Caprican survivors off [[Sharon Valerii]]'s Raptor on board ''[[Colonial One]]''. A distraught [[Giana O'Neill]] inquires about her husband serving in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] on Gemenon.
*Adama enters his [[Adama's quarters|quarters]] to find a [[Miniseries, Night 2#Epilogue|note]] informing him that there are only twelve Cylon models. A cut to Baltar implies that he left the note.

=== On ''Galactica'' ===
*Five days after the attack, the Fleet is attacked by the Cylons as they have been every [[33|33 minutes]] for the past five days. On board the ''[[Rising Star]]'', a wounded and disoriented Ellen is lying in a cramped makeshift [[sickbay]] as Cavil watches over her. Ellen does not remember who he is, but begs him to find Saul. As she passes out, Cavil says that four of the Final Five are in the Fleet; only Anders is absent.
*The ship continues to be jolted by explosions from the battle. Cavil rationalizes with himself about the necessity of keeping Ellen alive, saying that she has yet to understand her mistake in loving an immoral and imperfect humanity.
*Eight days after the attack, refugees continue to board and be processed on ''Galactica''. Tigh remarks at the calm of the people, but Adama corrects him, saying they are just temporarily numb from the shock. As they walk through a corridor, Tigh accidentally bumps into Cavil.
*Cavil is carrying fliers, which talk about "the Plan" and encourage people to meet with him. A [[John (RDM)|young boy]] runs by and knocks the fliers out of Cavil's hands.
*Cavil bends to pick up the fliers and is helped by a [[Number Six#"Tough Six"|Number Six]]. Surprised but relieved, he hands her a flier as he notices a [[Number Four|Simon]] copy going around a corner.
*He asks [[Socinus]] if he may post the fliers in ''Galactica'''s restricted area, but Socinus offers to do so for him.
*In the chapel on ''Galactica'' given to Cavil, Shelly Godfrey arrives with a flier to find the other Six, a [[Number Two]] copy and a [[Number Five]] copy assembled, all carrying fliers. Cavil notes that they are missing copies of [[Number Three]] and Four.
*Cavil reviews the original Cylon plan, which involved all the humans being killed, the Cylons [[download|downloading]] and the Universe "basking in [[Cylon War|justice]]." However, the survival of ''Galactica'' and the Fleet has prevented its success.
*Two proposes that they each work separately to sabotage the Fleet, but instead Cavil has assignments for each of them. He informs them that a [[Cylon Tactics#Sleeper agents within the Fleet|sleeper agent]], an [[Number Eight|Eight]], is currently within the Fleet and he will speak to her.
*Cavil tasks the Two with cracking the Colonial military's technology so that they can listen into the Fleet's communications and contact any basestars in the area.
*For Shelly Godfrey, Cavil gives her the mission of sabotaging Baltar's work on the [[Cylon detector]]. As he will simply build another one if they destroy it, Godfrey is to [[Six Degrees of Separation|discredit him]] to prevent any future work.
*As the copy of [[Aaron Doral]] aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'' was discovered to be a Cylon, Cavil tells the Five that he is too recognizable to remain in the Fleet. Instead, he gives him a suicide vest to use.
*On board the ''[[Gemenon Traveler]]'', Leoben has successfully hacked into ''Galactica'''s military communications. He listens in as [[Kara Thrace]] and other pilots engage three Raiders. He is clearly intrigued by her.
*Cavil takes a small statue of an elephant out of his bag. As he leaves, he finds the boy that had knocked the fliers out of his hands sleeping in the chapel and kicks him out.
*In the tool room of the [[hangar deck]], the newly enlisted Giana tells Tyrol that she needs to change out the oxygen cylinders on a Raptor. Tyrol disputes that the cylinders need changing and playfully informs her that ''Galactica'' has no replacement parts.
*Valerii enters the room looking for the Chief, where she is introduced to Giana. As she leaves, Giana quickly deduces that the two are an item.
*Back in her [[duty locker]], Valerii finds the elephant statue that Cavil had been holding. The statue apparently unlocks Valerii's awareness of her Cylon identity, and she flashbacks to a conversation she had with [[Gina Inviere]] before becoming a sleeper agent.
*Meeting with Cavil, Valerii proposes that she sabotage ''Galactica'''s water supplies as a way to cripple the Fleet. Cavil agrees, but when he suggests that Valerii kill herself in the process, she is able to convince him that her cover is better than expected, referencing her relationship with Tyrol. Cavil laughs at the irony of her becoming romantically involved with Tyrol over all of the potential humans, then tells her to kill herself anyway.
*On the ''[[Cybele]]'', the ship that had carried the Simon copy and young girl off Gemenon, Giana is having dinner with the two of them. Simon had previously married Giana, without revealing his Cylon identity, and adopted Giana's daughter [[Jemmy]].
*During dinner, Cavil approaches Simon and introduces himself as Simon's childhood [[priest]]. Cavil excuses himself but asks Simon to come see him soon, giving the vague warning that he knows where Simon lives. Simon is clearly disturbed by the encounter.
*In a [[weapons locker]], a soaking-wet Valerii informs Cavil that the charges have been placed in the water tanks. When she expresses reluctance at destroying the Fleet, Cavil rebukes and uses the statue to revert her into sleeper agent mode.
*As a panicked Valerii discusses with Tyrol what to do about the missing [[G-4]] detonators, the charges are detonated, sending all of ''Galactica'''s water into space.
*Seventeen days after the Fall of the Colonies, the Five uses his suicide vest in an attempt to kill Adama. Only through Tigh's intervention is Adama saved.
*With Roslin's [[Litmus|subsequent announcement]] that the Cylons now appear human and the distribution of pictures of both Two and Five, Leoben hides from [[Colonial Marines]] in the ducts of the ''Gemenon Traveler''.
*Simon meets with Cavil in ''Galactica'''s chapel. While Simon proposes that he use his position as a medic to kill the humans off one by one, Cavil asks him why he won't do more.
*When Simon critiques this query by asking Cavil whether he actually has a plan, Cavil becomes frustrated by the failures of the Cylons to fully exterminate humanity. He tells Simon that they will later discuss a plan to have Simon blow up the ''Cybele''.
*Shelly Godfrey goes to Adama and accuses Baltar of collaborating in the attack on the Colonies, using a forged photo of him placing an explosive device on the Defense Mainframe.
*Leoben continues to listen to Starbuck's exploits, painting the [[mandala]] symbolizing the [[Eye of Jupiter]] on a wall as he listens to a recording of Starbuck's engagement with Cylon Raiders above the [[Red moon|red moon]].
*Valerii finds that someone has written "CYLON" on the mirror of her locker. Meeting with Cavil while out of sleeper agent mode, Valerii suspects that she wrote the message herself. Cavil comforts her and reminds her why humanity must be destroyed. The two then share a kiss.
*Baltar confronts Godfrey in the [[Galactica Crew Facilities (RDM)#Heads|head]] over her false allegations. Though she maintains her story, she seems reluctant to go through with destroying him.
*Leoben tries to convince Cavil of Starbuck's [[The Destiny|destiny]], referencing her ability to fly a downed Cylon Raider without ever having done so before, but Cavil refuses to listen. Soon after, marines capture Leoben.
*Baltar is arrested for treason but saved when [[Felix Gaeta]] proves that the incriminating photos are a fake.
*As marines follow Godfrey through the corridors of ''Galactica'', Cavil uses the other Six to make it seem as though Godfrey had suddenly disappeared.
*Cavil accuses Godfrey of failing to convincingly frame Baltar because of her love for him. She denies it, but Cavil has her kill herself by using an [[airlock]], reminding her to give the Fleet's position to the other Cylons once she resurrects.
*Twenty-five days after the attack on the Colonies, Starbuck is [[Flesh and Bone|interrogating]] the captured Leoben aboard the ''Gemenon Traveler''. He breaks free of his constraints and pins Starbuck to a wall.
*As he holds her, he sees prophetic visions of their experiences together on [[New Caprica]] and Thrace's [[Maelstrom|visions and death]]. The guards then restrain Leoben. Soon after, Leoben is airlocked on the orders of Roslin, with Starbuck showing him a moment of sympathy.
*Torn with grief and confusion over her identity, Valerii attempts suicide by shooting herself in the mouth.
*The young boy returns to Cavil's chapel. He tells Cavil that he is not a war orphan, but his parents don't want him anymore. Cavil tells once again tells him to leave.
*Giana returns to her quarters from work, where she and the rest of the deck crew had been analyzing the captured Cylon Raider. Simon becomes upset over how much she has been working, saying that since the Cylons are trying to kill them, they should be spending as much time together as possible. Giana is furious over his behavior and leaves with Jemmy.<ref>This scene comes after the scene where Adama asks Valerii to destroy the basestar. However, this creates a significant continuity error, as Adama asked Valerii to do so because Tyrol had been shot down over Kobol and Starbuck had stolen the raider, meaning Giana's statement as to her work that day is non-sensical. Hence, the scene is placed before the previous scene in this article for the sake of continuity</ref>
*Adama asks the recovering Valerii to take a Raptor armed with nukes and destroy the basestar orbiting [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. Valerii, along with [[Margaret Edmondson]], succeed in doing so and are greeted as heroes upon their return to ''Galactica''. As Adama thanks them for their actions, Valerii pulls a gun and shoots Adama twice in the chest.
*Simon informs Cavil that Adama is dying, and that he will blow up the ''Cybele'' on the condition that his family is kept safe. However, Cavil tells him that shouldn't happen, since they will never know his true nature if they die now.
*As Adama lays in sickbay, Cavil chastises Valerii in the brig for not killing Adama. She claims that she is not fully in control of herself, but later admits her reluctance towards continuing the genocide of humanity and her attraction to her human life. Wishing her well, Cavil reactivates her sleeper agent programming and leaves. Valerii is later assassinated by [[Cally Henderson]].
*Simon makes love to Giana and apologizes for his actions. Later, he is able to rig open an airlock on the ''Cybele'', crying and declaring his love for his family as he is launched into space and dies permanently, outside the range of any [[Resurrection Ship]].
*Drunk and lamenting the failures of the Cylons to destroy the Fleet, Cavil ponders the source of his bad fortunes. The remaining Six tells him the flaw in his plan: "You can't declare war on love."
*Giana is questioned by Tigh. Giana believes that Tigh thinks Simon was a Cylon, which Cavil denies. Giana shows Tigh the suicide note left by Simon, which reads, "Love outlasts death."
*Cavil finds the young boy and invites him inside, giving him food and shelter.
*Tyrol finds Giana in the corner of the hanger bay. Kara Thrace's return from her experiences with a Four copy on Caprica, along with a newspaper clipping of the Four acting as the team doctor for the Buccaneers, has proven to Giana that Simon was a Cylon. Both of them suspect that Valerii and Simon were being ordered to carry out their missions by someone else and deliberately failed.
*Giana says that were she to believe that she was a Cylon, she would climb to the top of the hangar deck and jump. Tyrol kisses her, but immediately says he didn't mean anything by it.
*After having assaulted Cally, Tyrol is being [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|counseled]] by Cavil. Tyrol admits that he is afraid to place his trust in others, to which Cavil tells him he should be given his experiences.
*While reading in his quarters, Cavil is again approached by the young boy, who offers Cavil an apple. Cavil takes out a knife and cuts the apple, giving it the boy. When Cavil asks what the boy's name is, he tells him it is [[Number One#"John" and the Final Five|John]].
*Cavil asks if they have become friends, and John responds that they have. Cavil tells him that "friends are dangerous things" and stabs John with the knife. He dies, and Cavil apathetically pushes his body off the bed.

=== On Caprica ===
*The Buccaneers panic as they listen to wireless broadcasts on the attack. Anders quickly takes charge, telling them that they have to stick together and learn more about what has happened.
*[[Centurion (RDM)|Centurions]] are placing their damaged and destroyed comrades in a large container. The Buccaneers sneak across a large bridge, hiding behind the railing and observing the centurions. After a Raider takes off and nearly spots them, they retreat.
*The newly-founded [[Caprica Resistance|Resistance]], made up of the Buccaneers and various hikers and survivalists, use [[Delphi Union High School]] as their headquarters.
*For their first mission, Anders uses inspiration from an old war movie, ''[[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Visual Arts|The Tauron Line]].'' The Resistance will plant explosives on a severed Centurion thigh, wait for the Centurions to place the thigh in a recovery container and then detonate the charges.
*The Resistance quietly approaches their target and places the thigh near the container, watching from the tree line as Centurion picks up the piece. Before it goes into the container, one of the fighters slips on gravel, and the Centurion kills him immediately. Sam detonates the charge, crippling the Centurion and partially opening the container.
*Despite Anders' insistence to retreat, Kai and the coach charge towards the door with an explosives-packed pyramid ball. The damaged Centurion aims at them, and Kai passes the ball to the coach before jumping on the Centurion, which shoots and kills Kai. The coach throws the ball into the container, and the explosion knocks him off his feet, presumably wounding or killing him. As one of the teammates runs to get the coach, a Raider appears and kills him; the rest of the group retreats.
*Anders walks away from the group, arguing that he has no idea what he is doing. Barolay begs him to stay.
*Some time later, Barolay and Anders view a group of Dorals burning human bodies in a mass grave. Barolay breaks down when she notices that all of the Dorals look alike, realizing that the Cylons now look like humans.
*Anders and Barolay return with armed reinforcements as a Cavil inspects the grave. The resistance fighters kill the Dorals, and as they approach the bodies they find Cavil, pretending to be a human, calling out for help on the ground. The fighters fall for the trick, and Cavil is stunned when he sees that Anders is the leader of the Resistance.
*As they arrive back at camp, Anders asks if Cavil hears confessions. Cavil says he does, and Anders tell him they will speak later. They exit the truck, and Cavil is "introduced" to Simon, who feigns ignorance.
*One week later, Simon and Cavil speak privately. Simon asks why Cavil has yet to follow through on his plan to inform the Cylon forces of their location. Cavil sarcastically responds that Anders had asked him to hear his confession and that, as a man of the Gods, he must keep his promise to do so.
*Several weeks later, Cavil is on patrol with Anders and the Resistance when he sees Starbuck and [[Karl Agathon]]. He tells Anders that he believes he has seen them before and, thus, they must be Cylons. As the two sides engage each other, Simon calls out Cavil on his lack of effort in bringing down the Resistance.
*The next morning, Anders and Starbuck awaken together. Starbuck promises to send a rescue party for the Resistance once she returns to ''Galactica''.
*Cavil and Simon are in the next room, where they can hear Starbuck and Anders speaking and having sex. Cavil asks why they are doing so, to which Simon responds that Anders loves her. Cavil considers Thrace to be beneath Anders and conspires with Simon to send her to the Fours' "[[farm]]" for experimentation.
*During a recon patrol, Starbuck is shot and taken to the farm. Anders returns to base with his wounded and tells Cavil the situation. Though Cavil attempts to convince Anders that Starbuck is likely dead, Anders insists on trying to find her, obviously irritating Cavil.
*The next day, Cavil joins Anders outside. Anders finally gives his confession to Cavil, where he admits his cowardice and vanity following the failed raid on the Cylon container. Cavil absolves him, then asks if Anders could forgive the Cylons considering the strength Anders have gained following the attack. Anders angrily rejects Cavil's argument and walks off.
*Simon approaches Cavil, who is upset over the fact that Anders continues to love humanity.
*At the Farm, Starbuck stabs a Four copy in the neck and escapes outside. The Resistance rescues her, and Anders orders Barolay to return to camp and kill Simon.
*Several months later, the Resistance has been heavily reduced by Cylon attacks. Anders, Cavil and the remaining survivors walk through the woods. Anders tells Cavil of his love for the people who have died under his command. Cavil angrily asks Anders why he continues to love the dead, to which Anders replies that death doesn't change love.
*Barolay tells Anders that a group of unknowns is moving towards them, and the survivors take cover. It is quickly determined that the unknowns are Starbuck, Helo and the marines ''Galactica'' has sent to rescue the Resistance.
*As Starbuck and Anders embrace, Cavil takes aim with a rifle from the distance. His gaze lingers over the backs of both their heads, but he remembers Anders' insistence that death doesn't change love and puts down the rifle.
*The Cylons begin to mortar their position, and the humans take cover. The Cylons stop firing, and both Cavil and the humans wonder why. As the humans sleep later that night, Cavil ventures out into the woods, where he finds a Six. The Six tells Cavil that the Cylons have voted for a cease-fire with the humans, and Cavil elects to deliver the message to the humans himself.

===Epilogue===
*The Resistance survivors and Thrace's team return to ''Galactica'', where Caprica-Cavil reveals himself. The Chief identifies him as a Cylon, and Caprica-Cavil is taken into custody.
*In the [[brig]], Galactica-Cavil enters while denying that he is a Cylon. However, his protests cease when he sees Caprica-Cavil in the cell. Caprica-Cavil delivers the cease-fire to Adama and Tigh, who decide to airlock both of them.
*As they are escorted to the airlock, the Cavils see all of the Final Five Cylons watching them. They admit that this wasn't the reunion they had expected.
*Entering the airlock, and returning to where the story began, Caprica-Cavil asks if there is a resurrection ship in range. Galactica-Cavil says that there is one but adds that he is not looking forward to dying in a vacuum first.
*Galactica-Cavil asks Caprica-Cavil whether he truly thinks that attacking the humans was a mistake. Caprica-Cavil tells him he does. Their error was that they wanted to be loved by the Final Five more than the humans, but the destruction of humanity would only strengthen the love of the Five for humanity.
*Galactica-Cavil assures Caprica-Cavil that he will have him [[boxed]] upon downloading, then resume the task of destroying the Fleet.
*As they wait in silence, Caprica-Cavil offers his hand, which Galactica-Cavil takes. They are launched into space, and as they float towards a nebula, Cavil's speech to Ellen from "[[No Exit]]" about his potential as a machine is heard.

== Notes ==
[[Image:Universal_intro.jpg|thumb|The Universal Studios Intro for 'The Plan']]
*The planet behind the Universal Studios logo at the beginning of the movie is [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] instead of [[Earth]].
*The Caprican landmasses shown in an orbital shot during the attack are clearly identifiable as those of Earth, specifically an inverted and stretched image of [[w:Europe|Europe]], as well as [[w:Iran|Iran]], the [[w:Arabian Peninsula|Arabian Peninsula]] and [[w:Turkey|Turkey]]. This most likely represents an instance of CGI corner-cutting rather than any deeper meaning.
*[http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/6/63/Impending_Doom.png One of the buildings] visible in the Caprica City skyline is actually the [http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=84 Emirates Office Tower], located in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
*In what is either an Easter egg (given the large amount of ''Battlestar Galactica'' filming which took place in and around Vancouver) or another CGI cost-cutting move, the MIRV is seen detonating over a large city [http://www.niciasus.com/wp-content/gallery/bsg-the-plan/bsgplan_059.JPG] which is a Google Maps satellite image of downtown Vancouver, rotated by approximately 180 degrees. [http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&q=vancouver+bc&fb=1&gl=us&ei=jfueS-vzCqG2zASz77TPBg&ved=0CBgQpQY&hl=en&view=map&geocode=FeSz7wId-w2p-A&split=0&iwloc=A&sa=X] The domed sports arenas [[w:General Motors Place|General Motors Place]] and [[w:BC Place|BC Place Stadium]] are clearly visible when the nuclear missiles are falling.
*The CGI landscape which appears during the Hybrid's statement that the "courthouses of [[Libran]] are burning" is the same landscape which is shown on screen as [[Tauron City]] in the ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' episode "[[Know Thy Enemy]]". The ''Caprica'' version is widened and more buildings added. It is unclear whether the landscape in "The Plan" was intended to represent Tauron, or if this is simply another example of CGI corner-cutting by incorporating footage created for "The Plan" into ''Caprica''.
*Unknown to the Colonials there apparently ''was'' a second Resurrection Ship nearby by the time the Cavils were executed, allowing them to download into new bodies when killed, although the Caprica copy was presumably boxed.
* ''Galactica'' Cavil was Ellen's mysterious hero that saved her from the attack on Picon. It was known to be a Number One, but it wasn't clear before this exactly ''which'' One it was.
*Whereas [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] was designated as such in "Razor", the setting is identified in "The Plan" simply as ''Scorpia'' because it is meant to denote the planet as well.
* During the attack on the Colonies, after the Raiders scan the Vipers and Battestars, one of the pilots can be heard saying "I have no RADIO contact". This should be "WIRELESS" as there are no "radios" in the ''BSG'' universe.
* An outfit is listed on Propworx<ref>http://archive.battlestarprops.com/1003/192 Gina's Outfit in Scene with Boomer</ref> as being worn in the extended version of "Daybreak" by Gina Inviere, in a scene where she speaks to Sharon Valerii on a plane just before the latter becomes a sleeper agent. This is a flashback to before Valerii entered the Colonial fleet academy. This scene does not appear in the extended "Daybreak", but, as stated in Ronald Moore's commentary on that episode, it was moved to "The Plan". Thus, the Six seen speaking to Boomer in this flashback is Gina Inviere.
*The named locations on Leonis, Scorpia, Tauron, Picon, Aquaria and Libran evoke the zodiac symbols each is named for. Aerilon's association with agriculture and Caprica's association with sophisticated, urban life were established in "[[Dirty Hands]]" and "[[The Woman King]]".
*The jungles of Scorpia were also mentioned in the fourth issue of ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Final Five 4|Battlestar Galactica: The Final Five]].
*Reveal: When Sam and his teammates are trying to listen to a radio broadcast after the attack, and before they decide what to do, the device they are listening to is marked 'Centrios' which is an electronics brand carried by the Canadian 'Source' electronics chain before it was bought out after its parent company 'Circuit City' went bankrupt.
*Cavil puts Shelly Godfrey through an airlock weeks before Roslin "invents" airlocking as the preferred method of disposing of Cylons.
**Cavil also seems to be able to activate the airlock very quickly and without anyone noticing, whereas later in the film it took Simon a long time to rewire the airlock in order to activate it.
***Simon may have been wiring the airlock to be able to operate it from the inside, rather than requiring an external operator.
*Several scenes from the first two seasons of the series are shown again in this movie, but in most cases are conveniently edited to fit the story.
**Baltar's role in Boomer's suicide attempt is omitted.
**When Tyrol visits Cavil in "The Plan," Cavil asks "What's on your mind chief?" which was never asked in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I", and Tyrol's response in "The Plan" about how to know he is human comes much later in the actual conversation.
**Scenes on Caprica create extra moments for new dialogue to be inserted where it wasn't before. In "The Plan", a voiceover during Starbuck's rescue from the [[Farm]] has Anders ordering a resistance fighter to return to their basecamp and kill their doctor, whom they learn is a Cylon upon seeing the Simons at the farm.
**When Starbuck/Helo re-encounter the resistance on Caprica, the scene from "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" has the question "Is Kara Thrace there?" with Anders shouting "If she is she took her sweet time." In "The Plan", the dialogue is interrupted by Helo asking "Who wants to know?" after the question about Thrace. This scene also contains a continuity error during the switch from new footage to archive footage. As Anders and the resistance fighters are crouched behind a log, there is no one behind them in the new footage, but when it cuts to the old footage there is suddenly a soldier behind them.
**When the Cylon attack on Caprica stops, Anders asks why. In "The Plan", he is answered by Cavil with "That's a good question," a line that obviously is not in the original sequence.
**The scene of the two Cavils in the brig from "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II" cuts most of the dialogue and rearranges it, leaving out most of Galactica Cavil's supportive statements of the new peace, and the implication he knew about the truce. Also, in the original episode, Roslin suggested throwing the pair out the airlock. Roslin does not appear at all in "The Plan" (other than a few strands of hair in archive footage of the Cavil interrogation scene), and re-dubbed dialogue has Tigh suggesting the airlock solution, with Adama agreeing.
* "The Plan" shows the end of the Cavil/Tyrol conversation from "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I". Picking up after Cavil tells Tyrol that his deck hands are his family and taps his hands on the table, "The Plan" shows Cavil asking Tyrol if he finds it difficult to trust others. Tyrol says yes, and Cavil sympathizes with him, saying that he trusted people and they all let him down (referring to his Cylon cohorts). Cavil says it will be tough, wishes the Chief luck, and leaves.
* The iconic Cylon catchphrase "[[By your command]]" is never used in this film.
* Despite still being members of the fleet, [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] ''Pegasus'' and ''Cloud Nine'' were not seen in any fleet shots at all, ''Pegasus'' makes an appearance briefly during the attack on Scorpia but not in the end where logically it should appear.
* The Plan also identified ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' as being based off the original series counterpart, confirmed Shelly Godfrey was not onboard ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' despite claims in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]" and saw the reappearance of ''Gemenon Traveller'', which had only been seen in "[[Flesh and Bone]]" and on the tally boards aboard ''Galactica'' and ''Colonial One'' in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
*''Cybele'' is first shown since making brief mentions in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[The Passage]]". While the ship does bare some similarity to ''[[Scylla]]'', seen in "[[Razor]]", it is actually a new design.

== Analysis ==
*Given the ''Galactica'' copy of Cavil's comments in the airlock, his resurrected self is the copy that led the anti-human Cylon faction during the [[Cylon Civil War]] and later killed himself permanently in CIC during the [[Battle of The Colony]].

*It is likely that the device Leoben constructs to intercept Colonial military transmissions is a forerunner of the device he gave [[Laura Roslin]] to overcome the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutineers']] communications jamming in "[[Blood on the Scales]]".

*Number One's plan to make his creators repentant is inherently flawed due to basic differences in his thinking as compared to theirs. He believes that human life is terrible and just living among humans will make them see that - a belief they simply do not share - and he does not realize the fact that inflicting suffering on the humans will make the sympathy of the five original Cylons towards humanity grow, not diminish. This holocaust mirrors that which occurred on their own homeworld and is exactly what they were trying to prevent when they made a deal with the Colonial Centurions. Number One is therefore just as naive in his expectations at the outset of the movie as are his sibling models. At the end of the movie, the One that was on Caprica with Anders has realized these errors, and the One that was on ''Galactica'' has not.

*The main focus of this movie, which is the triumph of love, shows perhaps why the Cylons eventually split into two factions. Being that it is far easier to kill people you don't know, once they start getting to know humans they are obviously having a harder time killing them. This is evident in the split during the Cylon Civil War, the three models that take the most interest in, and have the most interaction with humans are the ones advocating peace and from their interaction with humans become curious about discovering their own natures while the three models that have the least to do with humans are far more machine like and less interested in self-discovery as a result.

*The movie makes a visual point of the different evolutions of the two Cavils in one of the last scenes through intercutting, showing the murder of John by ''Galactica''-Cavil while Caprica-Cavil considers shooting first Starbuck - which would result in her death - and then Anders - which would result in him downloading and regaining his memories but then being held prisoner while his compatriots believed him dead - before deciding to spare them.

*The characteristics of several of the Cylon models are further fleshed out.
**Number One/Cavil is clearly the leader as shown by his taking charge of the Cylons within the fleet and just like in the series this is often shown to be because his superior knowledge
**The Number Two/Leoben model is shown (as he is later in Blood on the Scales) as being very good at signal/communications cracking, this fits in well with his own obsession, and skills, with information and revelations. Two also seems to be fairly knowledgeable and Cavil seems to be slightly less derogatory towards this model, possibly because as the second model created he has known Leoben the longest.
**All the Number Four/Simon models seem to have very detailed medical expertise (enough to successfully be hired as doctors for both a pro-sports team and the military)
**Number Five/Doral is portrayed as being, as they are in other instances, very bureaucratic and obsessed with minute and unimportant details (like most bureaucrats) as well as being extremely zealous, although not particularly bright, and they seemed to be looked down upon by the other models.
**Number Six is once more portrayed as being the most varied, adaptable, and strong willed (regardless of which personality) of the Cylon models.
**Number Eight is shown being very skilled in military thinking and engineering as shown by her plan to blow the water tank but at the same time she is the most susceptible to emotions and outside influence.

*The Plan shows how Leoben knew Starbuck's name and that his belief that she had a destiny was based solely on his discovering that she learned how to fly a raider without being taught how, showing to him that she had some kind of special connection to the universe. The flashes he sees the first time he touches her, of their history together, also shows why he is so sure she will tell him she loves him and kiss him (although the flashes don't show him getting stabbed by her, hence his surprise) which also show her meeting her destiny(falling into the Maelstrom and encountering a version of him (possibly an angel) but it doesn't show anything after that, hence his surprise on seeing her dead body.

*A major plot point of "Six Degrees of Separation" was the baffling disappearance of Shelly Godfrey, seemingly into thin air. It is unclear whether or not the Colonials eventually deduced that she airlocked herself (the scene in which she is airlocked comes after the scene in which Adama is questioning her evasion of the guards).

* Tyrol's intense dreams of suicide by diving off the deck as related in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I," are inspired by his conversation with Giana, as depicted in "The Plan." She said that's what she would do if she suspected she were a Cylon. The chief clearly had such suspicions, and his subconscious must have latched onto her suggestion.

*The Plan does not show whether or not Boomer left the hatch combing open for Doral as Tyrol suspected in "[[Litmus]]".

*The movie exposes Ellen Tigh's explanation in "Tigh Me Up Tigh Me Down" for what she was doing during the attack on Picon as a lie. In the episode, she says she was at an airport buying a ticket to return home, presumably to be with Tigh. The Plan shows she was at a strip club getting drunk and hitting on men. It is entirely possible, however, that she was awaiting her flight.

*Before this movie, it was not clear whether Sharon Valerii carried out her actions against the human fleet (bombing the water tanks, shooting Adama) in a mindless drone state or of her own free will, albeit a will hidden from her "human" persona. The Plan establishes that the latter was the case, and that even her "Cylon side" was conflicted about her actions.

== Questions ==
* Did Giana take her husband's surname? In other words, is the full alias of Number Four actually "Simon O'Neill"?
* Is ''Galactica'' Cavil really the same Cavil that leads one side of the Cylon Civil War?
* Is the Club Pink Moon on Picon a Hat Tip to the late [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Drake Nick Drake]?
* Why isn't the arrival of the ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' mentioned? Surely that would have an effect on Cavil's plans.
* Did Galactica Cavil have anything to do with the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''?
* What happened to the rest of the Cylon fleet, there look to be at least two dozen Basestars attacking Caprica alone, possibly more, but that many are never seen in the series and it looks like there are no more than 5 chasing the fleet after they flee from New Caprica? Are most of them still occupying the colonies? If so, then why? Are they spread out and searching other places? Where they abandoned due to lack of resources? Was the Cylon Civil war more widespread than believed?
* Did Shelly Godfrey give ''Galactica'''s coordinates to the Cylon fleet?
* Was Cavil ever linked to the murder of young John?
**Was young John a physical being or another one of the [[virtual beings|"angels"]] like Six, Baltar, and Leoben? Could this younger John be, for lack of a better word, the ghost of the original John, for whom Cavil was named?
* If figuring out how to fly a Raider is sufficient to think a human can tap into the universal stream, is [[Daniel Novacek]] as similarly gifted as Starbuck?
** Doubtful, the Cylons let him escape in an attempt to assinate Admiral Adama so the Raider was most likely "hollowed out" before hand, which also explains why nothing is said about the Raider ever again
* Was Cavil aware Gina Inviere had joined the fleet and formed a resistance group? If so, did he order the destruction of ''Cloud Nine''?
* Is Cavil responsible for Ellen's memory loss during her recovery on the ''Rising Star''?
* Why does Giana not realize that Cavil must be a Cylon because a person who has never had a childhood (Simon) cannot have had a childhood priest? Did Cavil simply slip her mind?
* Why didn't the Cylons shoot down the search and rescue Raptors?

== Official Statements ==
Speaking at the 2009 San Diego Comic Con, director and star of ''The Plan'', [[Edward James Olmos]] stated that he believes there will be several more ''Battlestar Galactica'' movies in the future and is confident that the DVD release of ''The Plan'' will sell well enough to facilitate these films:
:"As a matter of fact, I've got to tell you right now. Because of you all, what you're doing, because of the love for that world...I can guarantee that this will not be the last movie." <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://io9.com/5322385/olmos-the-plan-wont-be-the-last-bsg-movie|title=Olmos: The Plan Won't Be the Last BSG Movie|date=Fri Jul 24 2009|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>
This statement, however, is by no means official, as both [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]], [[David Eick]], and [[Syfy]] have made no mention of any additional ''Battlestar'' films.

Olmos later went on to clarify that if ''The Plan'' sold ¾ of a million copies (750,000) then Universal Studios would assuredly be willing to produce future ''Battlestar''-related productions. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/08/edward-james-olmos-holds-court.html|title=Edward James Olmos holds court|date=Sat 08 Aug 2009|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref> As of November 15, 2009, ''The Plan'' had sold roughly 300,000 copies. <ref>http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/weekly/2009/20091115.php</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*Said by both [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] during the attack on the Colonies:
:''This has happened before.''

*Various utterances by the [[Hybrid]]:
:*''Seized by God they cry for succor in the dark of the light. Mists of dreams drip along the nascent echo and love no more. Jump.''
:*''Counting down. All functions nominal. All functions optimal. Counting down. The center holds. The falcon hears the falconer. Infrastructure, check. Wetware, check. Everyone hang on to the lap bar, please.''
:*''[[Apotheosis]] was the beginning before the beginning. Devices on alert. Observe the procedures of a general alert. The base and the pinnacle. The flower inside the fruit that is both its parent and its child. Decadent as ancestors. The portal in that which passes.''
:*''Nuclear devices activated, and the machine keeps pushing time through the cogs, like paste into strings into paste again, and only the machine keeps using time to make time to make time. And when the machine stops, time is an illusion we created. Free will, twelve battles, three stars, and yet we are countless as the bodies in which we dwell, are both parent and infinite children in perfect copies. No degradation.''
:*''The makers of the makers fall before the child. Accessing defense system: Handshake, handshake. Second level clear.''
:*''Accepting scan. Love outlasts death.''
:*''Their ships fail, skittering like skipped stones, and movement is meaningless in the absence of time. What never was is never again.''

*The battlestar ''[[Yashuman]]'' and Caprica Control panicking as the Cylons appear over [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]:
:'''Yashuman:''' ''Caprica Control, ''Yashuman''. Heavy bogeys, six plus, lower orbit, over grid 15-2. ''
:'''Caprica Control:''' ''No joy, ''Yashuman''.''
:'''Yashuman:''' ''Then go to your window and look up. They’re big as frakking asteroids! ''
:'''Caprica Control:''' ''Copy, ''Yashuman''. Still blind. Got some kind of system-wide crash in the defense grid. ''
:'''Yashuman:''' ''Try to unfrak yourself right godsdamned now, ‘cause we got multiple inbound, and they’re not carrying flowers!''
:'''Caprica Control:''' ''Wait one, ''Yashuman''!''
:'''Yashuman:''' ''We don’t have one left!''

*{{audio|Colonies of man.mp3|A Hybrid summarizes the Fall of the Twelve Colonies and notes all but the colonies of Gemenon and Sagittaron):}}
:''Progress reports arriving. The farms of [[Aerilon]] are burning. The beaches of [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Canceron|Canceron]] are burning. The plains of [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Leonis|Leonis]] are burning. The jungles of [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Scorpia|Scorpia]] are burning. The pastures of [[Tauron (RDM)|Tauron]] are burning. The harbours of [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]] are burning. The cities of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] are burning. The oceans of [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Aquaria|Aquaria]] are burning. The courthouses of [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Libran|Libran]] are burning. The forests of [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Virgon|Virgon]] are burning. The [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]] of Man lie trampled at our feet.''

*Galactica-[[Cavil]] and [[Doral]] discussing the latter being recognizable:
:'''Cavil:''' ''One of your counterparts managed to get himself outed back on [[Ragnar Anchorage|Ragnar Station]].''
:'''Doral:''' ''I can't understand how he was discovered. I heard it was [[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]].''
:'''Cavil:''' ''Well, no. I'm not talking about that, exactly. I'm talking about the fact that you're walking around this fleet wearing that jacket and, more importantly, that face. You're recognizable.''
:'''Doral:''' ''His jacket was burgundy. This is teal.''

*Galactica-Cavil giving Doral a suicide vest to use on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'':
:''They call this a 'suicide' vest, but I think that undersells all the homicide that goes along with it, don't you?''

*[[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Giana O'Neill]] discussing Raptor maintenance:
:'''Giana:''' ''I'm swapping out the oxygen cylinders on Raptor 702.''
:'''Tyrol:''' ''I checked 702 yesterday. Life support's fine.''
:'''Giana:''' ''Until two weeks ago, I used to inspect the aircraft for [[Sun Airways]]. If I found cylinders in that condition, you'd be looking at a shutdown.''
:'''Tyrol:''' ''All right. Well, grab the spares.''
:'''Giana:''' (after looking in vain for the cylinders) ''There are no spares.''
:'''Tyrol:''' ''Welcome to the ''[[Galactica]]''.''

*Galactica-Cavil and [[Leoben Conoy]] talking about [[Kara Thrace]]:
:'''Leoben''' ''I'm telling you. She flew a Raider. Learned how to control it from the inside. Nobody taught her how. Kara Thrace plucked that knowledge from the stream...''
:'''Cavil''' ''I don't care if she plucked puppies from [[God (RDM)|God]]'s ass!''

*Tough-Six and Galactica-Cavil drunkenly lament on the failure of the Cylons to destroy the Fleet:
:'''Six:''' ''You want a progress report? I'll give you a frakkin' progress report.''
:'''Cavil:''' ''Oh, no. Please don't. Please don't.''
:'''Six:''' ''Oh, come on, it is spectacular. Doral blew himself up, causing minor damage to a minor hallway. And Boomer jettisoned the water, and then, she personally found loads more water. ''(Laughing) ''And then she shot Adama, but not very accurately, since she loved him. And then, Leoben, he got obsessed with [[Kara Thrace]], and then was captured and airlocked. And my [[Shelly Godfrey|sister]] Six utterly failed to discredit Baltar and his dreamy hair and destroyed our frakkin' cover in the process. And now Simon...Simon killed himself, really killed himself, out of resurrection range, without blowing up the ship that he lived on because he couldn't imagine life without his little [[Giana O'Neill|human wife]] and his little [[Jemmy|human daughter]] because he loves them...''
:'''Cavil:''' ''Stop, stop, stop.''
:'''Six:''' ''Guess I'd better.''
:'''Cavil:''' ''Yes. They're all letting me down.''
:'''Six:''' ''Why are they letting you down, One? What's the x-factor?'' (She takes the bottle) ''You can't declare war on love.'' (She leaves)
:'''Cavil:''' ''I think I already did. Hey, where'd the bottle go?''

*Caprica-Cavil and [[Simon]] hear Starbuck and Anders having sex:
:'''Cavil:''' ''What are they doing?''
:'''Simon:''' ''You need a doctor to tell you that?''
:'''Cavil:''' ''Oh, for God's sake, why?''
:'''Simon:''' ''Why? He loves her.''
:'''Cavil:''' ''He loves her?''
:'''Simon:''' ''Vigorously.''
:'''Cavil:''' ''But she's beneath him.''
:'''Simon:''' (listening to Starbuck's moans) ''Not necessarily.''

==Cast==

=== Starring ===

* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel T. Anders]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Number Eight]]
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]
* [[Lymari Nadal]] as [[Giana O'Neill]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]

=== Co-Starring ===

* [[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]

=== Also Starring ===

* [[Alonso Oyarzun]] as Specialist [[Socinus]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine Alan [[Nowart]]
* [[Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]
* [[Bruce Dawson]] as [[Coach]]
* [[Lawrence Haegert]] as [[Wheeler]]
* [[Tommy Europe]] as [[Rally]]
* [[Maya Washington]] as [[Sue-Shaun]]
* [[Luvia Petersen]] as [[Kai]]
* [[Richard Yearwood]] as [[Marine]]
* [[Alex Ferris]] as [[John (RDM)|Boy]]
* [[Gina Vultaggio]] as [[Jemmy]]

=== Uncredited major cast appearing via archive footage ===

* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Callandra Tyrol]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]

== References ==
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Law of the Twelve Colonies (RDM)

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Dogger55: /* Amnesty, Pardons and Commutations */

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There are many legal precedents and laws that bound the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] together, as well as methods of trying people under said laws. This article highlights how the laws are treated by the Colonials before and after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].

== Articles of Colonization ==
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The Articles of Colonization are the Twelve Colonies' constitution and guarantee its citizens basics rights. They were ratified after the [[Cylon War]].

== Legal precedents ==

=== Amnesty, Pardons and Commutations ===

The President has the authority to grant amnesty and pardons, and may have a full range of options for extending executive clemency. Before the Cylon attack, President [[Richard Adar]] offers [[Tom Zarek]] a full pardon for his crimes if he will renounce violence; Zarek declines ("[[Bastille Day]]"). President [[Laura Roslin]] grants amnesty to humans in the Fleet who aided or cooperated with the Cylons on [[New Caprica]], ("[[Collaborators]]"), and Acting President [[Lee Adama]] grants amnesty to the Final Four humanoid Cylons ("[[Revelations]]").

The express language of the [[w:Pardons#Federal_law|U.S. Constitution]] confers upon the President the power to grant "reprieves and pardons". This language has been broadly construed to include "pardons, conditional pardons, commutations of sentence, conditional commutations of sentence, remissions of fines and forfeitures, respites and amnesties". Similar language in the [[Articles_of_Colonization|Articles of Colonization]] may explain Laura Roslin's decision to use the language "general pardon" to describe the amnesty she granted in "Collaborators".

=== Asylum ===

Citizens of the Colonies may ask for asylum from the military. [[Rya Kibby]], a 17 year old [[Gemenese]] woman, sought and successfully gained asylum from the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]'s highest ranking officer, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]].

The result of asylum in Kibby's case was the successful abortion of her pregnancy, despite her parents' wishes ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

=== Recreational drug use ===

Prior to the [[First Cylon War]], the Colonies passed legislation regarding the legalization of recreational drugs, such as [[opium]]. This came as a result of decades of fierce debate amongst the Twelve Colonies, which effectively removed the profit motive from drug runners and their ilk ([[Gravedancing]]). Results of this legislation can be seen in the operation of opium dens on Caprica ([[The Reins of a Waterfall]]).

While the legislation regarding drug use is unspecified in the period following the [[Armistice]] and prior to the [[Fall of the Colonies]], legal consequences of recreational drug use are not available ("[[Unfinished Business]]", "[[Razor]]").

=== Reproductive Rights ===

The issue of abortion is left untouched by law until near the end of the [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)|first year]] of the exodus with the case of [[Rya Kibby]] and her unborn child.

Prior to its resurgence post-Fall, abortion is an issue heavily contested in the Colonies, despite its legalization. In particular, the [[Gemenese]] argue against the practice on religious grounds; [[Laura Roslin]] makes the claim that she has fought for women's reproductive rights for her entire political career, and would not concede to Representative [[Sarah Porter]]'s demands regarding Kibby.

As a result of population projections provided by [[Gaius Baltar]], which highlighted the necessity of repopulating the human species, Roslin overturned the abortion laws thus making it illegal for abortions to happen anywhere in the Fleet ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

== Colonies' Rights ==

Each colony has their own laws as part of their autonomy from the federal government. For example, on Gemenon, children are legally owned by their parents until they are 18 years of age ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Moreover, prior to Gaius Baltar's trial for collaboration with the Cylons, there is debate among the Fleet's leadership and judicial experts under which colony's law he should be tried. This implies the absence of a federal criminal code. The lack of a comprehensive law library of all colonies, but Adama having some of his [[Joseph Adama|father]]'s [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Law books|legal books]], may have resulted in the use of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprican]] law ([[A Day in the Life]]).

== The Cylons ==

Legally speaking, the Cylons (even in their [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid]] form) are not considered people, and are therefore not afforded the typical treatment of enemy combatants.<ref>[[Ron Moore]]'s comments about [[Sources:Concurring Opinions Interview with Ron Moore and David Eick/Part 1-B#Cylon rights|Cylon rights]] from the Colonial perspective.</ref>

Cylon prisoners have been subjected to torture and execution without trial ([[Flesh and Bone]], [[A Measure of Salvation]]).

The Cylon faction that allied itself with the Colonial fleet after the [[Cylon Civil War]] broke out insisted upon being made citizens in exchange for augmenting the fleet with their technology ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]).

The allied Cylons were given a seat on the Quorum of Ships' Captains, filled by a Number Six named [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]]. They remained semi-autonomous, as evidenced by the fact that [[Sharon Valerii]] was released to them to be tried for treason against her own people ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]).

== Legal proceedings ==

[[Image:BaltarTribunal.jpg|thumb|right|The tribunal presiding over Gaius Baltar.]]
Colonial law knows jury trials as well as tribunals. The right to a trial before a jury of one's peers seems to be guaranteed by the [[Articles of Colonization]] ([[Collaborators]], [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]). However, Gaius Baltar is tried by five judges, who are randomly selected from the Fleet's ships' captains ([[Crossroads, Part I]] & [[Crossroads, Part II|II]]). The confusion prior to Baltar's trial suggests that no serious civilian legal framework exists within the Fleet, at least on a federal level.

The prosecution and defense of the accused is conducted by attorneys and sometimes legal aides. <ref>Their methods and conducts largely mirrors modern American legal practices.</ref>

=== Courts-martial ===

In the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], violations against civil and [[Colonial Military Code|military law]] can be prosecuted by courts-martial.

For example, Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]] holds a court-martial to try [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Karl Agathon]] for killing Lieutenant [[Thorne]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). <ref>This trial differs significantly from real world practices in the United States. Cain holds a summary court-martial and sentences them to death by herself. In real life, a general court-martial is required for passing the death penalty, which then consists of five judges. Summary courts-martial have one judge, but only deal with relatively minor offenses and sentences.</ref>
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== Presidential provisions ==

During the second term of President [[Laura Roslin]], she institutes various emergency and secret provisions for the survivors. Some of these are minor and hardly of notice, while others are potentially consequential to the civil liberties within the Fleet.

Such provisions can be, and have been, challenged by the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] at their choosing and include the following:

; {{inlineref|Emergency Provision 17}} : Prevents [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] from assembling in groups larger than 12. This provision is enacted after a brutal attack on Baltar's Cult and its commune by the [[Sons of Ares]]. Roslin, treating Baltar as a "special case" for fear that Baltar would assume some modicum of political power and to prevent any violence he may allegedly agitate, enacts this provision without Quorum approval. It is overthrown by an emergency session of the Quorum, championed by Caprican delegate [[Lee Adama]] ([[Escape Velocity]]).
; Unknown Provision : A provision authorized at the same time as Emergency Provision 17 deals with the repair of an elevator ([[Escape Velocity]]).

== References ==

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[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: Colonial Government]]
[[Category: Colonial Government (RDM)]]
[[Category: Colonial Society]]
[[Category: Colonial Society (RDM)]]
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* Analogues
** Law of the Twelve Colonies (TOS)|TOS's Laws of the Twelve Colonies
* Lawyers
** Joseph Adama|Joseph Adama
** Cassidy|Cassidy
** Romo Lampkin|Romo Lampkin
* See Also
** Articles of Colonization|Articles of Colonization
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Islanded in a Stream of Stars

2011-07-18T17:25:13Z

Dogger55: /* Analysis */

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| story=
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== Overview ==
: ''As [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s condition worsens, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and a human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.
* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.
* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream. [[Caprica Six]], still recovering from her miscarriage, is sleeping restlessly nearby, and appears to be having the same dream (as she confirms to Baltar in Act 1).
* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male who argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space. At least 61 are dead or missing.

===Act 1 and beyond===

{{cleanup}}

Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, now discharged from sick bay, who tells him that she dreamt of him "last night". "It was an old dream. One in which we both had parts to play." She rejects his romantic overtures, telling him that she has changed and he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

* At the funeral, Cylons display the [[Soldiers of the One|infinity symbol]] of [[Cylon religion|their monotheistic religion]]. This symbol was passed down from their [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] forebearers and [[Monotheist Church|human monotheist]] evangelist [[Clarice Willow]].

*The extended DVD version of this episode contains a different arrangement of key events, particular at the end. In the aired version, Boomer delivers Hera to the colony, then Starbuck visits Anders to discuss the music, and the episode ends with Adama and Tigh toasting Galactica after deciding to abandon the ship. In the DVD version, Adama and Tigh do their toast, then Boomer delivers Hera, then comes a scene of Adama and Tigh watching the evacuation of the civilians on the hangar deck (parts of which were included in the opening of the next episode), and this version ends with Starbuck visiting Anders. Both are included with the DVD; the aired version contains the [[Ronald D. Moore]] podcast, and the extended version contains a commentary track by [[Edward James Olmos]].

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However, this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*[[Caprica-Six]] appears to complete her hospitalization from her miscarriage. In the Teaser, she is sleeping in sick bay and sharing her recurring dream with [[Laura Roslin]]. By Act 1, she appears to have been discharged when she meets with Baltar and tells him about her dream.

*Roslin and Caprica Six have resumed their shared recurring dream of [[Hera Agathon]] lost in the [[Opera House]]. During a conversation in "[[Deadlock#Act_2|Deadlock]]", they discovered that neither had had the dream since Six's pregnancy began.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] is at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems that after her miscarriage, she and [[Saul Tigh]] have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude{{fact}} toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti-Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] is nowhere to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has left in her.
**An extended DVD version of the episode contains a scene in which Athena visits Tyrol in the brig. She tells him that she has Boomer's memories from before the war, that it's ironic Boomer posed as Athena to seduce Helo since Athena posed as Boomer to do the same thing, that Boomer loved the Chief and betraying him like that must have been tough, that she respects Tyrol for turning himself in after realizing he had been duped, and that she will never forgive Tyrol for letting Boomer escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. Her movement of the basestar and ''Galactica'' models foreshadows the events of "Daybreak".

*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisce about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol share a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wants Athena to say that she hates him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost does. In a close up of her lips her mouth parts slightly, but then closes. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping, but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is, however, conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could have had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we see what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explains in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is a huge space station built with the same biological design principles as the [[basestar (RDM)|baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in "[[The Son Also Rises]]".

* ''Galactica'', nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[[w:There's a Hole in My Bucket|There's a Hole in My Bucket]]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. It's likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar may be referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Virtual-Baltar and the other unseen characters that have appeared throughout the show as well. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the "harbinger of death" may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature; the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.
**A deleted scene included in the extended DVD cut shows Starbuck and Helo getting drunk at Joe's Bar, and Starbuck ruminating on her destiny as the Harbinger of Death. She says finding nuked Earth pretty much fulfilled that part of the plan and she wonders what her purpose is now. Helo suggests other meanings for Harbinger, such as herald, to suggest her destiny could be positive. This scene foreshadows Starbuck's use of the music to find the second Earth in "Daybreak," and implies her role in leading the human race to its end refers to finding the planet where human and Cylon can live a blended existence.

* This episode establishes that Final Five Cylons can interface with the [[datastream]]. Thus, if Anders had placed his hand on the Cylon [[data-font]] in the episode "[[Faith]]", it would have responded to him.

*Cottle says the accident caused 61 deaths or injuries, including 26 Cylons. The difference of 35 Colonials would account for the updated survivor total, meaning the only survivors with injuries would be Cylons.

== Questions ==
* When Cavil tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates, is he referring to actual playmates that he hopes to create through reproduction, or the [[Simon]]s who will be experimenting upon her? ([[Daybreak,_Part_I#Analysis|Answer]])
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Why is Tory Foster not seen at the funeral?

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would have '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused too much on relationships and not enough on action, RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

== References ==

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[[de:Gestrandet in den Sternen]]

Islanded in a Stream of Stars

2011-07-18T17:01:39Z

Dogger55: /* Teaser */

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| title=Islanded In a Stream of Stars
| season= 4
| episode=18
| guests=
| writer= [[Michael Taylor]]
| story=
| director= [[Edward James Olmos]]
| production=420
| rating=1,568,000 viewers (Live+SD)<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/10/icarly-burn-notice-and-wwe-raw-top-cable-charts/14228|title=iCarly, Burn Notice and WWE RAW top cable charts|date=10 March 2009|accessdate=11 March 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>
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| CAN airdate=March 6, 2009
| UK airdate=March 10, 2009
| dvd={{flag|US|notext=Y}} {{Season 4.5 NTSC DVD release date}}
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== Overview ==
: ''As [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s condition worsens, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and a human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.
* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.
* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream. [[Caprica Six]], still recovering from her miscarriage, is sleeping restlessly nearby, and appears to be having the same dream (as she confirms to Baltar in Act 1).
* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male who argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space. At least 61 are dead or missing.

===Act 1 and beyond===

{{cleanup}}

Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, now discharged from sick bay, who tells him that she dreamt of him "last night". "It was an old dream. One in which we both had parts to play." She rejects his romantic overtures, telling him that she has changed and he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

* At the funeral, Cylons display the [[Soldiers of the One|infinity symbol]] of [[Cylon religion|their monotheistic religion]]. This symbol was passed down from their [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] forebearers and [[Monotheist Church|human monotheist]] evangelist [[Clarice Willow]].

*The extended DVD version of this episode contains a different arrangement of key events, particular at the end. In the aired version, Boomer delivers Hera to the colony, then Starbuck visits Anders to discuss the music, and the episode ends with Adama and Tigh toasting Galactica after deciding to abandon the ship. In the DVD version, Adama and Tigh do their toast, then Boomer delivers Hera, then comes a scene of Adama and Tigh watching the evacuation of the civilians on the hangar deck (parts of which were included in the opening of the next episode), and this version ends with Starbuck visiting Anders. Both are included with the DVD; the aired version contains the [[Ronald D. Moore]] podcast, and the extended version contains a commentary track by [[Edward James Olmos]].

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However, this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] is at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude{{fact}} toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti-Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] is nowhere to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has left in her.
**An extended DVD version of the episode contains a scene in which Athena visits Tyrol in the brig. She tells him that she has Boomer's memories from before the war, that it's ironic Boomer posed as Athena to seduce Helo since Athena posed as Boomer to do the same thing, that Boomer loved the Chief and betraying him like that must have been tough, that she respects Tyrol for turning himself in after realizing he had been duped, and that she will never forgive Tyrol for letting Boomer escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. Her movement of the basestar and ''Galactica'' models foreshadows the events of "Daybreak".

*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisce about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol share a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wants Athena to say that she hates him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost does. In a close up of her lips her mouth parts slightly, but then closes. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping, but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is, however, conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could have had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we see what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explains in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is a huge space station built with the same biological design principles as the [[basestar (RDM)|baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in "[[The Son Also Rises]]".

* ''Galactica'', nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[[w:There's a Hole in My Bucket|There's a Hole in My Bucket]]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. It's likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar may be referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Virtual-Baltar and the other unseen characters that have appeared throughout the show as well. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the "harbinger of death" may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature; the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.
**A deleted scene included in the extended DVD cut shows Starbuck and Helo getting drunk at Joe's Bar, and Starbuck ruminating on her destiny as the Harbinger of Death. She says finding nuked Earth pretty much fulfilled that part of the plan and she wonders what her purpose is now. Helo suggests other meanings for Harbinger, such as herald, to suggest her destiny could be positive. This scene foreshadows Starbuck's use of the music to find the second Earth in "Daybreak," and implies her role in leading the human race to its end refers to finding the planet where human and Cylon can live a blended existence.

* This episode establishes that Final Five Cylons can interface with the [[datastream]]. Thus, if Anders had placed his hand on the Cylon [[data-font]] in the episode "[[Faith]]", it would have responded to him.

*Cottle says the accident caused 61 deaths or injuries, including 26 Cylons. The difference of 35 Colonials would account for the updated survivor total, meaning the only survivors with injuries would be Cylons.

== Questions ==
* When Cavil tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates, is he referring to actual playmates that he hopes to create through reproduction, or the [[Simon]]s who will be experimenting upon her? ([[Daybreak,_Part_I#Analysis|Answer]])
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Why is Tory Foster not seen at the funeral?

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would have '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused too much on relationships and not enough on action, RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

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== Overview ==
: ''As [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s condition worsens, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and a human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.
* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.
* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream. [[Caprica Six]], still recovering from her miscarriage, is sleeping restlessly nearby, and may be having the same dream.
* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male who argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space. At least 61 are dead or missing.

===Act 1 and beyond===

{{cleanup}}

Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, now discharged from sick bay, who tells him that she dreamt of him "last night". "It was an old dream. One in which we both had parts to play." She rejects his romantic overtures, telling him that she has changed and he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

* At the funeral, Cylons display the [[Soldiers of the One|infinity symbol]] of [[Cylon religion|their monotheistic religion]]. This symbol was passed down from their [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] forebearers and [[Monotheist Church|human monotheist]] evangelist [[Clarice Willow]].

*The extended DVD version of this episode contains a different arrangement of key events, particular at the end. In the aired version, Boomer delivers Hera to the colony, then Starbuck visits Anders to discuss the music, and the episode ends with Adama and Tigh toasting Galactica after deciding to abandon the ship. In the DVD version, Adama and Tigh do their toast, then Boomer delivers Hera, then comes a scene of Adama and Tigh watching the evacuation of the civilians on the hangar deck (parts of which were included in the opening of the next episode), and this version ends with Starbuck visiting Anders. Both are included with the DVD; the aired version contains the [[Ronald D. Moore]] podcast, and the extended version contains a commentary track by [[Edward James Olmos]].

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However, this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] is at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude{{fact}} toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti-Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] is nowhere to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has left in her.
**An extended DVD version of the episode contains a scene in which Athena visits Tyrol in the brig. She tells him that she has Boomer's memories from before the war, that it's ironic Boomer posed as Athena to seduce Helo since Athena posed as Boomer to do the same thing, that Boomer loved the Chief and betraying him like that must have been tough, that she respects Tyrol for turning himself in after realizing he had been duped, and that she will never forgive Tyrol for letting Boomer escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. Her movement of the basestar and ''Galactica'' models foreshadows the events of "Daybreak".

*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisce about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol share a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wants Athena to say that she hates him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost does. In a close up of her lips her mouth parts slightly, but then closes. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping, but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is, however, conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could have had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we see what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explains in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is a huge space station built with the same biological design principles as the [[basestar (RDM)|baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in "[[The Son Also Rises]]".

* ''Galactica'', nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[[w:There's a Hole in My Bucket|There's a Hole in My Bucket]]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. It's likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar may be referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Virtual-Baltar and the other unseen characters that have appeared throughout the show as well. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the "harbinger of death" may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature; the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.
**A deleted scene included in the extended DVD cut shows Starbuck and Helo getting drunk at Joe's Bar, and Starbuck ruminating on her destiny as the Harbinger of Death. She says finding nuked Earth pretty much fulfilled that part of the plan and she wonders what her purpose is now. Helo suggests other meanings for Harbinger, such as herald, to suggest her destiny could be positive. This scene foreshadows Starbuck's use of the music to find the second Earth in "Daybreak," and implies her role in leading the human race to its end refers to finding the planet where human and Cylon can live a blended existence.

* This episode establishes that Final Five Cylons can interface with the [[datastream]]. Thus, if Anders had placed his hand on the Cylon [[data-font]] in the episode "[[Faith]]", it would have responded to him.

*Cottle says the accident caused 61 deaths or injuries, including 26 Cylons. The difference of 35 Colonials would account for the updated survivor total, meaning the only survivors with injuries would be Cylons.

== Questions ==
* When Cavil tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates, is he referring to actual playmates that he hopes to create through reproduction, or the [[Simon]]s who will be experimenting upon her? ([[Daybreak,_Part_I#Analysis|Answer]])
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Why is Tory Foster not seen at the funeral?

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would have '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused too much on relationships and not enough on action, RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

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== Overview ==
: ''As [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s condition worsens, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and a human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.
* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.
* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream. [[Caprica Six]], still recovering from her miscarriage, is sleeping restlessly nearby, and may be having the same dream.
* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male who argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space. At least 61 are dead or missing.

===Act 1 and beyond===

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Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, who rejects his romantic overtures. She tells him she's changed and that he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

* At the funeral, Cylons display the [[Soldiers of the One|infinity symbol]] of [[Cylon religion|their monotheistic religion]]. This symbol was passed down from their [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] forebearers and [[Monotheist Church|human monotheist]] evangelist [[Clarice Willow]].

*The extended DVD version of this episode contains a different arrangement of key events, particular at the end. In the aired version, Boomer delivers Hera to the colony, then Starbuck visits Anders to discuss the music, and the episode ends with Adama and Tigh toasting Galactica after deciding to abandon the ship. In the DVD version, Adama and Tigh do their toast, then Boomer delivers Hera, then comes a scene of Adama and Tigh watching the evacuation of the civilians on the hangar deck (parts of which were included in the opening of the next episode), and this version ends with Starbuck visiting Anders. Both are included with the DVD; the aired version contains the [[Ronald D. Moore]] podcast, and the extended version contains a commentary track by [[Edward James Olmos]].

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However, this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] is at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude{{fact}} toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti-Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] is nowhere to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has left in her.
**An extended DVD version of the episode contains a scene in which Athena visits Tyrol in the brig. She tells him that she has Boomer's memories from before the war, that it's ironic Boomer posed as Athena to seduce Helo since Athena posed as Boomer to do the same thing, that Boomer loved the Chief and betraying him like that must have been tough, that she respects Tyrol for turning himself in after realizing he had been duped, and that she will never forgive Tyrol for letting Boomer escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. Her movement of the basestar and ''Galactica'' models foreshadows the events of "Daybreak".

*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisce about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol share a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wants Athena to say that she hates him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost does. In a close up of her lips her mouth parts slightly, but then closes. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping, but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is, however, conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could have had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we see what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explains in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is a huge space station built with the same biological design principles as the [[basestar (RDM)|baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in "[[The Son Also Rises]]".

* ''Galactica'', nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[[w:There's a Hole in My Bucket|There's a Hole in My Bucket]]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. It's likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar may be referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Virtual-Baltar and the other unseen characters that have appeared throughout the show as well. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the "harbinger of death" may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature; the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.
**A deleted scene included in the extended DVD cut shows Starbuck and Helo getting drunk at Joe's Bar, and Starbuck ruminating on her destiny as the Harbinger of Death. She says finding nuked Earth pretty much fulfilled that part of the plan and she wonders what her purpose is now. Helo suggests other meanings for Harbinger, such as herald, to suggest her destiny could be positive. This scene foreshadows Starbuck's use of the music to find the second Earth in "Daybreak," and implies her role in leading the human race to its end refers to finding the planet where human and Cylon can live a blended existence.

* This episode establishes that Final Five Cylons can interface with the [[datastream]]. Thus, if Anders had placed his hand on the Cylon [[data-font]] in the episode "[[Faith]]", it would have responded to him.

*Cottle says the accident caused 61 deaths or injuries, including 26 Cylons. The difference of 35 Colonials would account for the updated survivor total, meaning the only survivors with injuries would be Cylons.

== Questions ==
* When Cavil tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates, is he referring to actual playmates that he hopes to create through reproduction, or the [[Simon]]s who will be experimenting upon her? ([[Daybreak,_Part_I#Analysis|Answer]])
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Why is Tory Foster not seen at the funeral?

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would have '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused too much on relationships and not enough on action, RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

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== Overview ==
: ''As [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s condition worsens, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and a human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.
* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.
* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream.
* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male who argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space. At least 61 are dead or missing.

===Act 1 and beyond===

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Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, who rejects his romantic overtures. She tells him she's changed and that he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

* At the funeral, Cylons display the [[Soldiers of the One|infinity symbol]] of [[Cylon religion|their monotheistic religion]]. This symbol was passed down from their [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] forebearers and [[Monotheist Church|human monotheist]] evangelist [[Clarice Willow]].

*The extended DVD version of this episode contains a different arrangement of key events, particular at the end. In the aired version, Boomer delivers Hera to the colony, then Starbuck visits Anders to discuss the music, and the episode ends with Adama and Tigh toasting Galactica after deciding to abandon the ship. In the DVD version, Adama and Tigh do their toast, then Boomer delivers Hera, then comes a scene of Adama and Tigh watching the evacuation of the civilians on the hangar deck (parts of which were included in the opening of the next episode), and this version ends with Starbuck visiting Anders. Both are included with the DVD; the aired version contains the [[Ronald D. Moore]] podcast, and the extended version contains a commentary track by [[Edward James Olmos]].

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However, this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] is at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude{{fact}} toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti-Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] is nowhere to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has left in her.
**An extended DVD version of the episode contains a scene in which Athena visits Tyrol in the brig. She tells him that she has Boomer's memories from before the war, that it's ironic Boomer posed as Athena to seduce Helo since Athena posed as Boomer to do the same thing, that Boomer loved the Chief and betraying him like that must have been tough, that she respects Tyrol for turning himself in after realizing he had been duped, and that she will never forgive Tyrol for letting Boomer escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. Her movement of the basestar and ''Galactica'' models foreshadows the events of "Daybreak".

*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisce about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol share a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wants Athena to say that she hates him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost does. In a close up of her lips her mouth parts slightly, but then closes. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping, but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is, however, conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could have had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we see what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explains in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is a huge space station built with the same biological design principles as the [[basestar (RDM)|baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in "[[The Son Also Rises]]".

* ''Galactica'', nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[[w:There's a Hole in My Bucket|There's a Hole in My Bucket]]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. It's likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar may be referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Virtual-Baltar and the other unseen characters that have appeared throughout the show as well. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the "harbinger of death" may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature; the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.
**A deleted scene included in the extended DVD cut shows Starbuck and Helo getting drunk at Joe's Bar, and Starbuck ruminating on her destiny as the Harbinger of Death. She says finding nuked Earth pretty much fulfilled that part of the plan and she wonders what her purpose is now. Helo suggests other meanings for Harbinger, such as herald, to suggest her destiny could be positive. This scene foreshadows Starbuck's use of the music to find the second Earth in "Daybreak," and implies her role in leading the human race to its end refers to finding the planet where human and Cylon can live a blended existence.

* This episode establishes that Final Five Cylons can interface with the [[datastream]]. Thus, if Anders had placed his hand on the Cylon [[data-font]] in the episode "[[Faith]]", it would have responded to him.

*Cottle says the accident caused 61 deaths or injuries, including 26 Cylons. The difference of 35 Colonials would account for the updated survivor total, meaning the only survivors with injuries would be Cylons.

== Questions ==
* When Cavil tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates, is he referring to actual playmates that he hopes to create through reproduction, or the [[Simon]]s who will be experimenting upon her? ([[Daybreak,_Part_I#Analysis|Answer]])
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Why is Tory Foster not seen at the funeral?

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would have '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused too much on relationships and not enough on action, RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

== References ==

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Islanded in a Stream of Stars

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== Overview ==
: ''As [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s condition worsens, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and a human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.
* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.
* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream.
* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male who argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space. At least 61 are dead or missing.

===Act 1 and beyond===

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Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, who rejects his romantic overtures. She tells him she's changed and that he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

* At the funeral, Cylons display the [[Soldiers of the One|infinity symbol]] of [[Cylon religion|their monotheistic religion]]. This symbol was passed down from their [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] forebearers and [[Monotheist Church|human monotheist]] evangelist [[Clarice Willow]].

*The extended DVD version of this episode contains a different arrangement of key events, particular at the end. In the aired version, Boomer delivers Hera to the colony, then Starbuck visits Anders to discuss the music, and the episode ends with Adama and Tigh toasting Galactica after deciding to abandon the ship. In the DVD version, Adama and Tigh do their toast, then Boomer delivers Hera, then comes a scene of Adama and Tigh watching the evacuation of the civilians on the hangar deck (parts of which were included in the opening of the next episode), and this version ends with Starbuck visiting Anders. Both are included with the DVD; the aired version contains the [[Ronald D. Moore]] podcast, and the extended version contains a commentary track by [[Edward James Olmos]].

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However, this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] is at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude{{fact}} toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti-Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] is nowhere to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has left in her.
**An extended DVD version of the episode contains a scene in which Athena visits Tyrol in the brig. She tells him that she has Boomer's memories from before the war, that it's ironic Boomer posed as Athena to seduce Helo since Athena posed as Boomer to do the same thing, that Boomer loved the Chief and betraying him like that must have been tough, that she respects Tyrol for turning himself in after realizing he had been duped, and that she will never forgive Tyrol for letting Boomer escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. Her movement of the basestar and ''Galactica'' models foreshadows the events of "Daybreak".

*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisce about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol share a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wants Athena to say that she hates him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost does. In a close up of her lips her mouth parts slightly, but then closes. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping, but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is, however, conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could have had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we see what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explains in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is a huge space station built with the same biological design principles as the [[basestar (RDM)|baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in "[[The Son Also Rises]]".

* ''Galactica'', nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[[w:There's a Hole in My Bucket|There's a Hole in My Bucket]]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. It's likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar may be referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Virtual-Baltar and the other unseen characters that have appeared throughout the show as well. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the "harbinger of death" may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature; the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.
**A deleted scene included in the extended DVD cut shows Starbuck and Helo getting drunk at Joe's Bar, and Starbuck ruminating on her destiny as the Harbinger of Death. She says finding nuked Earth pretty much fulfilled that part of the plan and she wonders what her purpose is now. Helo suggests other meanings for Harbinger, such as herald, to suggest her destiny could be positive. This scene foreshadows Starbuck's use of the music to find the second Earth in "Daybreak," and implies her role in leading the human race to its end refers to finding the planet where human and Cylon can live a blended existence.

* This episode establishes that Final Five Cylons can interface with the [[datastream]]. Thus, if Anders had placed his hand on the Cylon [[data-font]] in the episode "[[Faith]]", it would have responded to him.

*Cottle says the accident caused 61 deaths or injuries, including 26 Cylons. The difference of 35 Colonials would account for the updated survivor total, meaning the only survivors with injuries would be Cylons.

== Questions ==
* When Cavil tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates, is he referring to actual playmates that he hopes to create through reproduction, or the [[Simon]]s who will be experimenting upon her?
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Why is Tory Foster not seen at the funeral?

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would have '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused too much on relationships and not enough on action, RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

== References ==

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{{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}
[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Taylor]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Edward James Olmos]]

[[de:Gestrandet in den Sternen]]

Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series (Region 1 DVD)

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'''"Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series"''' Region 1 DVD box set consists of all four seasons of the series, including "[[Razor]]," and was released on July 28, 2009.

This box-set is also available as a [[Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series (Region 1 Blu-Ray)|Blu-ray]] collection.

While touted as the "complete series," it does not include "[[The Face of the Enemy]]" webisode series or the television movie, "[[The Plan]]," itself later released on October 27, 2009.

After significant consumer complaints about poor packaging and the omission of "The Plan", the DVD and Blu-ray box sets were [http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-The-Complete-Series/13337 redesigned and repackaged], and now include "The Plan", but not "The Face of the Enemy" webisodes.

===Special Features===

''List forthcoming. Edit this page to add!''

===Languages===
*English, Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround

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*English
*Spanish

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* AC-3, Color, Dolby, DTS Surround Sound, Subtitled, Widescreen

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'''"Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series"''' Region 1 [[w:Blu-ray|Blu-ray]] box set consists of all four seasons of the series, including "[[Razor]]," and was released on July 28, 2009.

This box-set is also available on [[Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series (Region 1 DVD)|standard DVD]].

While touted as the "complete series," it does not include "[[The Face of the Enemy]]" webisode series or the television movie, "[[The Plan]]," itself later released on October 27, 2009.

After significant consumer complaints about poor packaging and the omission of "The Plan", the DVD and Blu-ray box sets were [http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-The-Complete-Series/13337 redesigned and repackaged], and now include "The Plan", but not "The Face of the Enemy" webisodes.

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This box-set is also available on [[Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series (Region 1 DVD)|standard DVD]].

While touted as the "complete series," it does not include "[[The Face of the Enemy]]" webisode series or the television movie, "[[The Plan]]," itself later released on October 27, 2009.

After significant consumer complaints about poor packaging and the omission of "The Plan", the DVD and Blu-ray box sets were [http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-The-Complete-Series/13337 redesigned and repackaged], and now includes "The Plan", but not "The Face of the Enemy" webisodes.

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''List forthcoming. Edit this page to add!''

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Someone to Watch Over Me

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== Overview ==
:''[[Kara Thrace]] rediscovers a memory of a [[The Music|musical piece]] taught by [[Dreilide Thrace|her father]], while [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] awaits her fate at the hands of the Colonials and the rebel Cylons, who want to execute her for treason.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

* [[Kara Thrace]] gets out of her bunk and opens her locker. Looking in the mirror, she momentarily sees the image of her own corpse found on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] in the reflection. Disturbed, Kara takes out the bloodstained dog tags recovered from the corpse and stares at them, silently brooding to herself.
* Kara goes through her daily routine - showering, dressing, giving the Cylon and Colonial pilots their assignments, doing paperwork, and drinking at the bar.
* [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] is still searching for a habitable planet. ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is now experiencing frequent power losses and plumbing disruptions due to the ongoing repair work.
* [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] informs [[Admiral Adama]], [[Lee Adama]], and [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] that the repairs and the Cylon organic substance will buy the ship a few more jumps, but not many. The admiral states that he isn't ready to give up just yet.
* Lee congratulates Sonja, a [[Number Six]] model, on her appointment as the Cylons' representative to the newly-formed Quorum of Ships' Captains.
* Sonja makes a formal request that Boomer be returned to the Cylons. When Adama starts to protest that Boomer tried to kill him, Sonja explains that they don't want Boomer set free. They want to try Boomer for treason, as she sided with [[Cavil]] in the [[Cylon Civil War]].
* When Lee asks what will happen to Boomer if she's convicted, Sonja says that with the loss of their ability to resurrect, the Cylons can now implement capital punishment.
* Tyrol realizes what this means: the Cylons are going to kill Boomer.

=== Act 1 ===
* ''Galactica'' continues to experience tremors and power fluctuations all across the ship.
* Kara, Doc Cottle, and the Cylons are observing Anders, who is still not conscious despite showing brain activity. Cottle has no explanation for any of this.
* When the Cylons theorize that Anders' brain is "rebooting," Cottle tells them that he does not want to hear their "quack" ideas. He also tells Kara that it is time to "move on" with her life.
* After Cottle leaves, Kara starts to cry.
* In Joe's Bar, Kara complains to the piano player about performing "the same lame-ass song" over and over. He counters, saying that he has been in the process of composing for four days, and that his music is meant to bring beauty to a terrible existence. Kara reacts angrily, asking him rhetorically whether his music stopped one bomb during the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies.
* Human and Cylon workers are struggling to repair ''Galactica''. Tyrol looks up from his own work and stares at a Cylon Eight. He recalls moments spent with Boomer, good and bad. In his mind, he asks, "How many of us ended up with the people we really wanted to be with?"
* Kara visits Helo's quarters, who surprises her with a box of Kara's belongings, found and bought and stolen back over the past few months since her return. She takes only one item from the box, a cassette tape labeled "Dreilide Thrace Live at the Helice Opera House." Before Kara leaves, Hera hands her a crayon drawing of stars.
* Tyrol visits Boomer in the reinforced brig reserved for Cylons. The two look at each other tentatively for a moment before beginning to talk. Boomer explains New Caprica as a "way to set things right" with Tyrol after her shooting of William Adama. They both admit thinking about one another on a daily basis. Boomer puts her hand on the glass. Tyrol reaches out--and is instantly transported to the house they had planned to build on Picon after mustering out of the Colonial Fleet. Tyrol is confused and angered by the illusion, disconnects from Boomer, and runs away.

=== Act 2 ===
* On another night, Kara listens to Slick play again. She applauds his work, and offers him a mix of praise and criticism. She perceives the music as conveying a sense of loss, of trying to catch someone who is moving away too fast.
* Tyrol asks for help from the Five to save Boomer from execution. They refuse, with Ellen Tigh telling him that they will not set themselves up as gods for the rebel Cylons.
* Later, Tyrol visits Boomer again. She tells him that the house in her projection was a "secret retreat" that she built in her mind and visited on a daily basis after being shot by [[Cally]]. The two talk about the extensive plans they had made for building the house; Boomer calls the Chief's planning "obsessive," but he describes them as "thorough." He reaches through the wire mesh, and Boomer places her hand to the glass. Tyrol looks around the house, appreciates it and Boomer's company--and then finds signs of a child, [[Dionne Tyrol|their daughter]]. He goes into their child's room and sits with her. Outside the projection, he laughs and cries happily.
* Back in the bar, Slick announces that the first movement is finished. He starts the second, with Kara accusing him of stealing material from Nomion's 3rd Sonata. She sits with Slick, talking about her father teaching her to play the piano and her pleasant memories of the experience, particularly a song that made her "happy and sad at the same time."

=== Act 3 ===
* The flight deck is completely empty, except for Starbuck (wearing a [[flight suit]]) and a blond girl playing a piano. Starbuck slowly approaches the girl from behind, places a hand on her sholder, and turns her around. Instead of the girl's face, she sees her own burned remains--and bolts awake, covered in sweat.
* Holding her recovered dog tags, Starbuck tells Slick about the experience of finding her body on Earth. Slick claims to be unable to answer her questions. She goes on to say that the search for Earth gave her clarity and focus, but since discovering the planet and abandoning it, she feels lost again. Slick tells her that sometimes "lost is where you need to be."
* Tyrol pleads with Roslin for Boomer's life. Roslin abruptly tells him to stop, reminding him that Boomer preys on personal feelings, and that by asking for a personal favor from her, Tyrol is doing the same thing. She signs the order turning Boomer over to the rebel Cylons, and curtly dismisses him.
* At one of the repair sites, Tyrol stares at an Eight who is busy applying the Cylon resin. He grabs a wrench. The lights go out, and mixed in with the sounds of people yelling is a heavy thump.
* Slick hits a wall in his composing. Starbuck and Slick talk about him leaving his family because his wife wanted him to quit music. Starbuck scolds him for ditching his family just like her own father did.
* Tyrol helps the guards in the Cylon brig to reactivate the security cameras following the blackout. It appears that Boomer is sleeping, and remained asleep through the entire incident.
* Slick assures Starbuck that her father left her something valuable: the ability to play the piano. At first, Starbuck refuses to play, but she is coaxed by Slick to play a few hesitant notes. She tears up, stops playing, and asks him to play. He agrees to play if she does.
* In the locker room, Athena finishes washing up when an Eight walks in. She believes it is someone assigned to fixing the shower, but then she turns to face the Eight and instantly recognizes her: "Boomer." Before Athena can do anything else, Boomer punches her in the face. Athena's head hits the sink hard and she falls to the floor. Boomer continues to pummel her.

=== Act 4 ===
* Boomer finishes washing blood off her hands when Helo comes into the locker room. She tries to pull away when Helo suggests an intimate moment before she leaves on her recon mission, but she eventually gives in. Boomer and Helo continue having sex. In a stall, Athena, bound and gagged, slowly comes back to consciousness and sees the two through the slightly opened door.
* In Joe's, Saul Tigh tells Ellen Tigh and Tory Foster about the pain of seeing Liam after Caprica Six's miscarriage.
* Slick realizes where Starbuck's hesitant music is going and writes a few notes. Starbuck realizes that his notes line up perfectly with the stars in Hera' drawing. The two resume playing, and the music flows more confidently. Saul, Ellen, and Tory stop their conversation and listen to the music.
* Dressed in a flight suit, Boomer finds Hera in the day care center, and encourages her to drink something on the way out.
* Tyrol helps Boomer to lift a box onto a waiting raptor. She tries convincing him to come, but her turns her down, assuring her that they will meet again in the future.
* Slick and Starbuck play the music faster and stronger--until it becomes The Music. Once the piece is finished, the three who were listening to Starbuck appear next to her demand to know how she was able to play it. She tells them it was something she had learned as a child. Slick is nowhere to be seen.
* As Helo gives a briefing on combat tactics, Athena, bloddied and weak, crawls into the room. She tells Helo what happened. Helo orders the others to get medical help and to contact CIC. He tries to comfort Athena, but she yells in anguish and hits him.
* Boomer waits for departure clearance in the port flight pod. Suspecting that she has been caught, she starts the raptor's engines. Adama threatens to shoot her down, but she warns him that he will not be willing to fire on a raptor carrying Hera. As she spools up the raptor's FTL, Adama orders the flight pods retracted. She launches, racing toward the narrowing gap and clearing it, but clipping the raptor in the process. She jumps away close to ''Galactica'''s hull. The jump rips a hole in the battlestar, shakes the ship violently, and triggers power outages and explosions seemingly everywhere.
* In Adama's quarters, Roslin whispers, "Hera," and collapses.
* Tyrol spots Helo and Athena arguing with a guard. He is horrified to learn that Boomer has kidnapped Hera.
* In the day care center, Ellen tells Saul that her escape from [[Cavil]] had been a ploy, nothing more than a way of getting Boomer close enough to abduct Hera. They wonder aloud about how Hera and the music, and whether Sam can help.
* In sickbay, Starbuck plays a tape of her father's music for Sam, and lies next to him.
* The Chief runs frantically through ''Galactica''. In the projected version of the house built by Boomer, he runs through all the rooms, and finds no one.

== Notes ==
* [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] do not appear in this episode. As with the previous episode, [[Lee Adama]] appears in only a couple of scenes.
* "[[Wikipedia:Someone to Watch Over Me (song)|Someone To Watch Over Me]]" is the name of a song composed by [[Wikipedia:George Gershwin|George]] and [[Wikipedia:Ira Gershwin|Ira Gershwin]], and featured in the musical [[Wikipedia:Oh, Kay!|''Oh, Kay!'']] A major theme of the song is the need to find love and acceptance, something [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Kara Thrace]] are all seeking in their own ways.
** There was also an episode of ''[[w:Star Trek: Voyager|Star Trek: Voyager]]'' named for the song, in which it is performed at the end by The Doctor.
* Weeks have passed since the end of [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]], as evidenced by [[Cottle]]'s comment about how long Anders' EEG readings have remained steady, and Starbuck's comment about how long she has repeated the same mission briefing.
* Starbuck acknowledges, in her address to the other pilots, that the mutiny has "thinned our numbers". This, combined with the apparent absence of pilots such as [[Margaret Edmonson]] and [[Diana Seelix]], confirms their involvement in the mutiny did not go unpunished, although exactly what that punishment is remains unknown.
** In the Podcast for "[[Deadlock]]" RDM states that all the mutineers were imprisoned on the ''[[Astral Queen]]''.
* After her apparent death in "[[Maelstrom]]", Kara's personal belongings were auctioned off. Helo has managed to get them all back for her. However, the only thing Kara is interested in is the tape of her father's music.
*The seven notes that Slick plays over and over again after completing his 1st movement — identified by Kara as "[[Nomion's 3rd Sonata]], second movement" — was actually used in the [[Original Series]] as the somewhat sinister sounding fanfare of the "Exploration Theme" which served as the intro to "[[Saga of a Star World]]". This is not the first time music from the original series has shown up (i.e. the [[Colonial Anthem]]), and lends to the idea that everything 'has happened before, and will happen again'.
* The brand of "[[Tauron (RDM)|Tauron]] toothpaste" offered as a prize to the pilots is called "[[Felgercarb (RDM)|Felgercarb]]," a word used in the [[Original Series]] to mean "shit." Tauron comes from Taurus the bull. In essence, Kara is offering the pilot who finds a new planet "bullshit toothpaste."
* The collection of named [[Number Six]] models expands with the addition of [[Sonja]], who becomes the first Cylon to be elected to the Fleet's reconstituted Quorum.
*When Tyrol visits and talks to Boomer for the first time in the Brig, during the conversation Boomer calls Tyrol "Galen" for the first time, at least publicly and on screen. In past episodes, both Boomer and Athena usually referred to their significant others with their callsigns/titles. For Athena, it was always referring to Agathon as Helo. For Boomer, it was always referring to Tyrol as Chief. Athena was the first of the two to break that tradition, noticeably after the two married. Boomer's shared projection with Tyrol and their imaginary marriage may be the reason why she ceased calling him solely "Chief."

== Analysis ==
===Galactica's condition ===
*FTL jumps appear to create spatial distortions that can seriously strain a ships hull. Although bad hull damage does not necessarily prevent a ship from jumping (as has been seen many times before in the seasons, for example ''Pegasus'' - which jumped after being hit by three nuclear missiles in [[The Captain's Hand]]) the threat to ''Galactica'' has been compounded by the added riddling of the entire aged superstructure with microfractures. Tigh expresses concern that a jump within the flight pod will seriously strain the internal integrity of the ship. Boomer's FTL jump does eventually appear to cause a chain reaction of hull collapses along ''Galactica's'' port side, a side visibly weakened by Cylon attack, and suffering general aging in the 50+ year old ship's structure.
*The port side of ''Galactica'' which suffers damage in this episode has been seen specifically to suffer major stress before now- particularly during the [[Battle of New Caprica]] when it was mentioned that explosive decompressions were imminent in that section. That side of the ship also saw the port water tank blow out in [[Water]]-as well as damage from a nuclear explosion incurred during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] though these seemed to be repaired it no doubt contributed to the area's hull fatigue.
* Many individuals express fears of the damage an FTL jump can do to ''Galactica'', implying FTL jumps place serious strains on a ships hull — or even the hull of a ship nearby and a degree of hull integrity is important to allow a ship to continue jumping for continued periods. This appears quite a new phenomenon in the canon of the show and was not mentioned in previous seasons, though it of course makes for a convenient plot concept now. Before this ships have frequently been seen jumping and exiting a jump close to each other in the series with seemingly no ill effects — though it is possible Boomer's Raptor was much closer to Galactica's hull than has ever been seen before. In the episode [[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]] the tylium ship jumped whilst surrounded by Raptors and Vipers and no ship seemed to suffer damage, although they were knocked back and sent tumbling. It should be made clear that smaller objects are proportionally stronger and that smaller objects should feel much less shear in the wash of another nearby ship jumping. It is also possible the stress of by being caught in the FTL field of another vessel rather than that caused by a vessels own, properly configured FTL drive is more powerful and dangerous.
*Given that ''Galactica'' has jumped hundreds of times whilst damaged before now, it is not explained why no damage has occurred before given it is assumed damage will be guaranteed by an unplanned jump in this episode. In the miniseries ''Galactica'' suffered a nuke hit and yet jumped several times later. Also despite falling through the atmosphere of New Caprica ''Galactica'' was able to execute an FTL jump despite the severe strains on the hull. Fears of FTL stress were not mentioned.
** ''Galactica'' has probably been taking damage over the years from multiple jumps and suffering combat damage. That's how the microfractures developed. It's just that the extent of the damage has not become apparent until now.
** It is in part because of those actions, the atomic strikes and it jumping and falling though into a planet's gravity well and its atmosphere is why ''Galactic''a is suffering from massive metal fatigue, in addition to normal wear and tear of a 50+ year old ship and the fact that she hasn't had a major or even minor overhaul in years even before the the attack on the Colonies has taken their toll. In addition as discovered by Chief Tyrol the builders of ''Galactica'' "cut corners" with the building specifications of the ship. If the ''Galactica'' was able to retire on schedule these issues of "substandard" construction wouldn't have come up.
** Further to the point above about small craft being subject to less 'shear', it stands to reason that the size of the disturbance created by a ship executing a jump might be proportional to the size of the ship itself. A large vessel such as the tylium ship may create a widespread but relatively smooth disturbance, so the nearby Raptors would have been like corks bobbing as a wave passed. Conversely, a small vessel such as a Raptor might create a localised but very sharp distortion that poses more risk of damage to a large ship close to it.
*The age of ''Galactica'''s FTL drive might explain why the ship's hull integrity is taxed so badly by her FTL drive - more modern drives might not cause so much stress, and might explain why other Fleet ships and the rebel basestar can continue to jump despite the damage their hulls have taken.
* ''Galactica'' is in very bad shape from the metal fatigue in the hull. It's so bad that Tyrol says that all the [[Cylon organic resin]] could do is buy a little more time, but not too much from the looks of it, and that the ship might only be capable of a few more FTL jumps, if that. The ship is dying of old age and abuse and there's nothing anyone can do save it completely. The damage Boomer created during her escape has no doubt worsened the ship's condition.

===Boomer's actions===
* Adama has still not forgiven Boomer for shooting him.
* Ellen's escape from Cavil seems to have been orchestrated between him and Boomer in order to get Boomer on ''Galactica'' so she could kidnap Hera according to Ellen's speculation to her husband Saul Tigh.
* It would appear that while Cavil was willing to let Ellen go in order to obtain Hera, members of the [[Final Five]] are still of some value to him, as evidenced by Boomer's offer for Tyrol to go with her.
**It is more likely that Boomer genuinely wanted him to come with her because she truly loves him. Bringing him back to John Cavil-if that is where she is headed-would be of no use to him because as Ellen stated he would need all Five of the Finals to recreate Resurrection. In addition to her rekindled love, she has seen-or at least heard about-that it is possible for a Final Five Cylon to mate and have offspring with a "Standard Model" like herself even if Caprica-Six's pregnancy by Saul Tigh failed, so the possibility of a family which she shared with Tyrol in her projection, was open to her.
* Boomer has gone from being a conflicted sleeper agent to being a willing infiltrator and saboteur on ''Galactica''. With her rekindled love for Tyrol, she may be again conflicted.
* The Cylons want Boomer tried for treason, with execution being a possible outcome, because her actions are linked to the permanent deaths of thousands of Cylons when she sided against her model in the [[Cylon Civil War]]. This parallels the Colonial Fleet's own desire to try [[Gaius Baltar]] for siding against humanity and collaborating with the Cylons on New Caprica.

*It is very possible-but not certain-that the Cylon ability to recognize individual Cylons despite them looking exactly like each other (most of the time, the Sixes seem to have the most variants in hair color and use of makeup, both voluntary actions) relies on actually looking at the individual. In the lavatory where Sharon "Boomer" Valerii severely beats Sharon "Athena" Agathon, Athena initially mistook Boomer as a generic Eight when she saw her in the reflection of a mirror. It was after she stood up, turned around and looked directly at Boomer did Athena recognize her as Boomer. Admittedly however, it is possible that she would have recognized Boomer if she only watched her in the reflection. Still, she said a full sentence while she looked at her in the mirror-"Great, I hope you are here to fix the frakkin' shower!"-but instantly recognized Boomer the exact moment she saw her directly and not reflected. Perhaps they also need to look the other Cylon square in the eyes, which is what Tyrol does in "[[Deadlock]]" before identifying Boomer.
**Helo did notice that Boomer did smell different. Boomer covered for this saying she found some soap.
***Helo said she smell good not different an she was washing her hands at the time. However there is a relevance to Helo mentioning her smell. In a scene from [[Litmus]] Tyrol and Boomer were in bed together shortly after engaging in intercourse. He said to her: "Sometimes at work I try to conjure up what your face looks like...Curve of your lips.....The way your hair falls. How you smell." Helo as just noted told Boomer she smelled good just before they had sex.
* Boomer has sex with [[Helo]] by pretending to be [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] after he mistook her for his wife and he insisted after she tried to leave, but then enthusiastically let him believe she was Athena and willingly had sex with him. This is ironic, as Athena originally seduced Helo on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], by pretending to be Boomer.
** Boomer's willingness to have sex with Agathon - in the presence of Athena - was motivated by a desire to exact revenge on Athena for having effectively taken over her old life on ''Galactica'' according to the show writers.
***Though she initially hesitated, a knowing glance to the corner where Athena was hidden, is the clue to her decision to defile Athena's relationship with Helo.

===Starbuck's role===
* The mysterious piano player is [[Dreilide Thrace|Kara's father]], which can be concluded by his sudden disappearance and by the flashbacks with both Kara and her father playing the piano when she was little. These flashbacks mirror the exact same movements done by Captain Thrace and the piano player.<ref>http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1598</ref>
* The title of the tape Kara receives back from Helo is "Dreilide Thrace Live at the Helice Opera House."
** [[w:Helice|Helice]], also spelled Helike, was an ancient Greek city which sank into the Corinthian Gulf in 373 B.C.
** Helice was the ancient Greek name <ref>http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/620003/Ursa-Major</ref> for the constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (the Great Bear). Helice in Greek means "to spin" or "to turn"; it is the root of the modern word helix. Ursa Major revolves around [[w:Polaris|Polaris]], the Pole Star, hence the name. This may be a reference to the spinning of the [[maelstrom]] Kara flew into before her ship was destroyed, and it could also refer to the [[mandala]] found on the wall of her apartment and the [[Temple of Five]].
** [[w:Helike_(mythology)|Helice/Helike]] was also the name of a nymph in Greek mythology who nursed the infant [[Zeus]], along with another nymph, Melissa (which name itself means "honey" or "honey bee"). <ref>http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/UrsaMajor.html</ref>
** [[w:Helike_(moon)|Helike]] is also a newly-discovered moon of [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]].
** However, the appearance of the word Helice in the show may simply be a tongue-in-cheek reference to [[Bear McCreary]]'s heavy involvement with this episode -- Ursa Major, and McCreary, both being "The Great Bear."<ref>http://tvbacon.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/battlestar-galactica-someone-to-watch-over-me-live-at-the-helice-opera-house/</ref>
* It is possible that Starbuck also has the ability of Projection and she projected the Piano Player beside her when she played a section of "All Along the Watchtower" from the drawing Hera made, which turned out to be musical notation. She, from her POV, was playing a long side of him but when Saul Tigh, Ellen Tigh, and Tory Foster confronted her about where she learned to play that music he was gone. Perhaps it was just standard human daydreaming, or a [[Virtual beings|Virtual being]], but it could have been projection.

===The Seven and the Five===
*The Final Five have the same [[Projection|projection]] ability as the Cylons they created. Cylons can share projections.
* Projections can include not just imaginary environments but also imaginary people, such as Boomer and Tyrol's "daughter" Dionne.
* It also appears that projections might be a form of persistent environment -- similar to real-life virtual worlds such as [[w:Second Life|Second Life]], as Tyrol re-enters Boomer's projection after she escapes with Hera, as if expecting to find her and Dionne still in there.
* The Final Five, [[Hera Agathon]], and [[Kara Thrace]] are all somehow connected to each other by [[The Music]]. Also possibly connected via the song is Kara's [[Dreilide Thrace|mysterious father]].
*Both the Agathons and Tyrol suffer the loss of a daughter: Hera and Tyrol's imaginary daughter from his and Boomer's shared projection; both taken by Boomer. Hera actually, Tyrol's symbolically in Tyrol's solo projection. Both Athena and Tyrol suffer great grief and display it: Athena's primal howls and beating her arm against Helo's back in rage/despair; Tyrol's sinking to his knees and burying his head in his arms in his child's empty room in his projection. Helo initially took the situation stoically, but in the previews for the next episode "[[Islanded In a Stream of Stars]]," it appears the emotional toll over the loss of his daughter is telling on Helo when Adama, presumably taking about Hera, says-uncharacteristically-"get over it" to a disheveled Helo.
* Ellen Tigh has the same reaction to hearing The Music as her husband and Tory Foster. She, of course, remembers hearing Sam Anders play the song on Earth.

===The status of Cylons in the Fleet===
* The Cylons seem to have officially joined the Fleet as they now have the representation they wanted on the new Quorum in the form of a Six named Sonja. It is also confirmed that Cylon and Colonial pilots are performing joint [[CAP]]s.
** This is most clearly seen when Athena staggers into the briefing room and Helo orders one of the Sixes to go get the medics, the Six unhesitatingly responds "Yes, Sir". Several Sixes and Eights are also seen attending Starbuck's "toothpaste briefing."
** The rebel Cylon pilots do not appear to have been commissioned into the Colonial military, as they wear Cylon flight suits without insignia and none is addressed by rank.
* Many of the Sixes and Eights appear to use their model numbers as surnames, and are referred to and addressed as "Six" or "Eight". They do not yet appear to have been given individual call-signs. For example, at the toothpaste briefing, Starbuck states that "Six has the color assignments and recognition codes," (not, for instance, "''This'' Six..." or "The Six in the front row..."), and the Six in question casually raises her hand for the pilots behind her to see. Likewise, Helo addresses one as "Six" when ordering her to fetch a medic.
* Despite integrating allied flight command (at least among manned Heavy Raiders), being represented in the Quorum, and subordinating their Basestar weapons control to President Roslin ("[[Blood on the Scales]]"), the Rebel Cylons have retained some sovereignty and are thus entitled to extradite Sharon "Boomer" Valerii and try her for treason under Cylon law.
* Cylon law does not prohibit punishments to be enacted ''ex post facto''. Sonja explains that a death penalty provision would have been meaningless prior to the destruction of the hub, yet they intend to execute Boomer if she is found guilty for the treason she is accused of committing prior to the hub's destruction. However, a true death sentence could have been accomplished earlier simply by executing a prisoner after jumping out of resurrection range.

===Miscellaneous===
* It has been unclear whether Karl Agathon is still the [[Commander Air Group]] (CAG) of Galactica or Kara Thrace officially takes over the CAG as Agathon used to join important staff meetings with Adama & Tigh in previous episodes. However, this episode clearly shows that Thrace is now serving as the CAG of ''Galactica''.

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

* Will Boomer take Hera to Cavil? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* Why does Cavil want Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Why did Boomer sleep with Helo? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me#Official Statements|Answer]])
* What is the source of Starbuck's visions of her father? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Partial Answer]])
* How did Starbuck and Hera arrive at a piano version of the same [[The Music|melody]] originally played by Anders on a guitar on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Partial Answer]])
* Will Tyrol's involvement in Boomer's escape be discovered? How will Athena and Helo react? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* What is Roslin's physical status after collapsing at the end of the episode? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* How does Roslin know of Hera's abduction without being informed? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Partial Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* What was Boomer writing in her cell when she first sensed Tyrol watching her?
* Do all the ships in the Fleet - regardless of their relative crew and passenger size - get to send representatives to the new Quorum?
* Why did nobody say anything about Kara talking to herself before Saul, Ellen, Galen, and Tory realised what she was playing?
* If FTL drives cause spacial distortions with the potential to significantly damage ships, then why hasn't the FTL drive been weaponized by either side?
*In "[[Rapture]]", Hera recognizes Athena as her mother even though they had been separated since her birth and even though Boomer had been caring for her. Has Hera lost that ability, or did she recognize Boomer and go with her anyway?

== Official Statements ==
*Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews David Weddle and Bradley Thompson<ref>http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-starbuck-boomer-someone-to-watch-over-me-.html</ref>:
**Boomer had a sick desire to strike out at Athena, based on a perverse envy.
**Boomer's escape with Ellen was staged so that she could kidnap Hera. She intended to just use the Chief, but their interactions did awaken feelings she thought were dead.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Ellen Tigh, Saul Tigh, and Tory Foster are in Joe's bar. Saul is remarking at the state of someone they cared about:''

:'''Saul''': Cottle was right, I should've never insisted on seeing him. His eyes were open! I wasn't ready for that. The little guy was looking right at me!

::''Saul was not talking about Anders (in a coma with his eyes open) but the body of his dead son Liam that was delivered stillborn after he died in utero but whose corpse he insisted on seeing.''

*''Cottle gives a response to the Cylons' observations about Anders' condition:''

:'''Cottle''': The last thing we need is you jerking our chains with a lot of quack ideas. So why don't you take them someplace else?

*'''Slick''' ''(to Starbuck)'': Listen. It may feel like hell, but sometimes lost is where you need to be. Just because you don't know your direction doesn't mean you don't have one.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Roark Critchlow]] as [[Slick]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Torrance Coombs]] as Lance Corporal [[C. Sellers]]
* [[Ivan Cermak]] as Corporal [[D. Wallace]]
* [[Curtis Caravaggio]] as [[Nathanson]]
* [[Cherilynn Fulbright]] as [[Dionne]]
* [[Patrick Gilmore]] as [[Rafferty]]
* [[Samantha Kaine]] as Off-duty Crew Person
* [[Erika-Shaye Gair]] as Young [[Kara Thrace]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Sonja Bennett]] as Specialist [[Marcie Brasko]]
* [[David Weddle]] as Smoking man in [[Joe's bar]] (uncredited)

== References ==
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Islanded in a Stream of Stars

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== Overview ==
: ''As [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]'s condition worsens, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]].''

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breach in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* [[Hera]] is in the [[War Room]] playing with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. A quick cut depicts her running down a hallway in the [[Opera House]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the scene fades to the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breach. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and a human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the humans' survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathons not know.
* In the Agathons' quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Karl Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.
* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream.
* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male who argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space. At least 61 are dead or missing.

===Act 1 and beyond===

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Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, who rejects his romantic overtures. She tells him she's changed and that he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at [[the Colony]], a large Cylon space station, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the unique phrases of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

* At the funeral, Cylons display the [[Soldiers of the One|infinity symbol]] of [[Cylon religion|their monotheistic religion]]. This symbol was passed down from their [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] forebearers and [[Monotheist Church|human monotheist]] evangelist [[Clarice Willow]].

*The extended DVD version of this episode contains a different arrangement of key events, particular at the end. In the aired version, Boomer delivers Hera to the colony, then Starbuck visits Anders to discuss the music, and the episode ends with Adama and Tigh toasting Galactica after deciding to abandon the ship. In the DVD version, Adama and Tigh do their toast, then Boomer delivers Hera, then comes a scene of Adama and Tigh watching the evacuation of the civilians on the hangar deck (parts of which were included in the opening of the next episode), and this version ends with Starbuck visiting Anders. Both are included with the DVD; the aired version contains the [[Ronald D. Moore]] podcast, and the extended version contains a commentary track by [[Edward James Olmos]].

== Analysis ==
* This episode is the first to show repairs to the outer hull of ''Galactica''. As with the earlier repairs to the [[Space Park]], scaffolding, support Raptors and repair crewmen in space suits are seen trying to patch the breach. Presumably this is not the first time ''Galactica'' has undergone makeshift repairs given the pounding she has taken. However, this time the endemic damage to the hull makes the repairs much more challenging.

*When [[Caprica-Six]] is at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude{{fact}} toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti-Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] is nowhere to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has left in her.
**An extended DVD version of the episode contains a scene in which Athena visits Tyrol in the brig. She tells him that she has Boomer's memories from before the war, that it's ironic Boomer posed as Athena to seduce Helo since Athena posed as Boomer to do the same thing, that Boomer loved the Chief and betraying him like that must have been tough, that she respects Tyrol for turning himself in after realizing he had been duped, and that she will never forgive Tyrol for letting Boomer escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] demonstrates the ability to [[projection|project]], which surprises Boomer.
* It is possible that the opening shot of the episode is a projection of Hera's. If so, it is also possible that Hera's projections are prophetic in nature. Her movement of the basestar and ''Galactica'' models foreshadows the events of "Daybreak".

*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminisce about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol share a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wants Athena to say that she hates him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost does. In a close up of her lips her mouth parts slightly, but then closes. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping, but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is, however, conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could have had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we see what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] explains in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their own experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology." In the show's timeline Cavil's faction moved the Colony to its present location five months ago just prior to the Cylon Civil War. It is a huge space station built with the same biological design principles as the [[basestar (RDM)|baseships]].

*Adama's heavy drinking, pill-popping and unprofessional behavior over the last few episodes seems to recall [[Romo Lampkin]]'s comment that "the soldier in him has had enough" in "[[The Son Also Rises]]".

* ''Galactica'', nicknamed [[the Bucket]], suffers a severe hull breach at the beginning of the episode. Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "[[w:There's a Hole in My Bucket|There's a Hole in My Bucket]]". Helo tells Adama that he is "painting over the holes in this bucket."
** "There's a Hole in My Bucket" is an example of an infinite loop. After several verses describing the intermediate steps required to fix the bucket, it is ultimately revealed that the initial problem--the hole--may only be resolved by gathering water in the self-same bucket. In other words, all this has happened before, and will happen again.

* A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. It's likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on Starbuck's dogtags.

* This episode specifically highlights the existence of 'angels' that walk amongst the humans. Baltar may be referring to his Virtual-Six, but it applies to Caprica-Six's own Virtual-Baltar and the other unseen characters that have appeared throughout the show as well. Another interesting fact to note is that the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy before his death was how the humans and Cylons will be gathered in the arms of an angel and carried into the promised land.

* Kara Thrace is called an angel by Baltar during his declaration of eternal life after he examined Thrace's dogtag. She has also been referred or linked to the Goddess Aurora, who guides ships to safe harbors and who resembles what is typically thought of as 'angels.' Thrace's other title from the Hybrids as the "harbinger of death" may be another spin on her 'angelic' nature; the manifestations of angels in modern day world religions are considered to be signs of the end times.
**A deleted scene included in the extended DVD cut shows Starbuck and Helo getting drunk at Joe's Bar, and Starbuck ruminating on her destiny as the Harbinger of Death. She says finding nuked Earth pretty much fulfilled that part of the plan and she wonders what her purpose is now. Helo suggests other meanings for Harbinger, such as herald, to suggest her destiny could be positive. This scene foreshadows Starbuck's use of the music to find the second Earth in "Daybreak," and implies her role in leading the human race to its end refers to finding the planet where human and Cylon can live a blended existence.

* This episode establishes that Final Five Cylons can interface with the [[datastream]]. Thus, if Anders had placed his hand on the Cylon [[data-font]] in the episode "[[Faith]]", it would have responded to him.

*Cottle says the accident caused 61 deaths or injuries, including 26 Cylons. The difference of 35 Colonials would account for the updated survivor total, meaning the only survivors with injuries would be Cylons.

== Questions ==
* What does Cavil mean when he tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates?
* How conscious is Anders?
* Is there a parallel between Anders' recitation of a real-world folk song, "There's a Hole in My Bucket," and the use of the real-world song "All Along the Watchtower"?
* Will Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Is there some way of finding the Colony? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents, as they consider Saul Tigh to be their father? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* Is the Colony the Final Five's original ship, or an outgrowth of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Why is Tory Foster not seen at the funeral?

== Official Statements ==
*''In his podcast for this episode Ronald D. Moore stated:''
:That Gas Giant that Boomer jumped in next to while she was heading for [[The Colony]] with Hera was '''''not''''' Jupiter.(14':10")
:Kara Thrace was going to kill Sam Anders. In other words if he didn't grab her arm she would have '''definitely''' pulled the trigger (22':30")
:In response to some fans criticisms that the show focused too much on relationships and not enough on action, RDM says the show was ''first'' a drama and second a science fiction series. The show was about people and their relationship to each other that was foremost. (25':10")
:Daniel is not Kara Thrace's father. Further, Daniel plays no role in events other than being Abel to Cavil's Cain. Daniel's murder and the destruction of his line was a point of illustration on the character of John Cavil, nothing more.
:The Colony was built around the Final Five's original sublight ship.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' (weakly, child like) Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|Too much confusion]].
:''(Death rattle, the Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' ''(facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")''
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

*'' Ellen Tigh and Saul Tigh are in their quarters and Ellen is trying to get a reluctant Saul to acknowledge his responsibility for his fellow Cylon's interest in survival.''

:'''Ellen:''' Whether you remember that life or not, at least you must understand what we were trying to do. We wanted to end the cycle of war between man and machine.

:'''Tigh:''' That was a bust.

:'''Ellen''' ''(frustrated)'': Yes, we failed, but we have a second chance now: Hera. Without her our children are going to die off one by one, just like they're dying right now in Cottle's sickbay.

:'''Tigh:''' I had a child. He died.

:'''Ellen''' ''(thinks for a moment)'': You're wrong Saul ''(caresses his left cheek, shakes her head)'' You have millions.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Greene]]

== References ==

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Someone to Watch Over Me

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== Overview ==
:''[[Kara Thrace]] rediscovers a memory of a [[The Music|musical piece]] taught by [[Dreilide Thrace|her father]], while [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] awaits her fate at the hands of the Colonials and the rebel Cylons, who want to execute her for treason.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

* [[Kara Thrace]] gets out of her bunk and opens her locker. Looking in the mirror, she momentarily sees the image of her own corpse found on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] in the reflection. Disturbed, Kara takes out the bloodstained dog tags recovered from the corpse and stares at them, silently brooding to herself.
* Kara goes through her daily routine - showering, dressing, giving the Cylon and Colonial pilots their assignments, doing paperwork, and drinking at the bar.
* [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] is still searching for a habitable planet. ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is now experiencing frequent power losses and plumbing disruptions due to the ongoing repair work.
* [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] informs [[Admiral Adama]], [[Lee Adama]], and [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] that the repairs and the Cylon organic substance will buy the ship a few more jumps, but not many. The admiral states that he isn't ready to give up just yet.
* Lee congratulates Sonja, a [[Number Six]] model, on her appointment as the Cylons' representative to the newly-formed Quorum of Ships' Captains.
* Sonja makes a formal request that Boomer be returned to the Cylons. When Adama starts to protest that Boomer tried to kill him, Sonja explains that they don't want Boomer set free. They want to try Boomer for treason, as she sided with [[Cavil]] in the [[Cylon Civil War]].
* When Lee asks what will happen to Boomer if she's convicted, Sonja says that with the loss of their ability to resurrect, the Cylons can now implement capital punishment.
* Tyrol realizes what this means: the Cylons are going to kill Boomer.

=== Act 1 ===
* ''Galactica'' continues to experience tremors and power fluctuations all across the ship.
* Kara, Doc Cottle, and the Cylons are observing Anders, who is still not conscious despite showing brain activity. Cottle has no explanation for any of this.
* When the Cylons theorize that Anders' brain is "rebooting," Cottle tells them that he does not want to hear their "quack" ideas. He also tells Kara that it is time to "move on" with her life.
* After Cottle leaves, Kara starts to cry.
* In Joe's Bar, Kara complains to the piano player about performing "the same lame-ass song" over and over. He counters, saying that he has been in the process of composing for four days, and that his music is meant to bring beauty to a terrible existence. Kara reacts angrily, asking him rhetorically whether his music stopped one bomb during the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies.
* Human and Cylon workers are struggling to repair ''Galactica''. Tyrol looks up from his own work and stares at a Cylon Eight. He recalls moments spent with Boomer, good and bad. In his mind, he asks, "How many of us ended up with the people we really wanted to be with?"
* Kara visits Helo's quarters, who surprises her with a box of Kara's belongings, found and bought and stolen back over the past few months since her return. She takes only one item from the box, a cassette tape labeled "Dreilide Thrace Live at the Helice Opera House." Before Kara leaves, Hera hands her a crayon drawing of stars.
* Tyrol visits Boomer in the reinforced brig reserved for Cylons. The two look at each other tentatively for a moment before beginning to talk. Boomer explains New Caprica as a "way to set things right" with Tyrol after her shooting of William Adama. They both admit thinking about one another on a daily basis. Boomer puts her hand on the glass. Tyrol reaches out--and is instantly transported to the house they had planned to build on Picon after mustering out of the Colonial Fleet. Tyrol is confused and angered by the illusion, disconnects from Boomer, and runs away.

=== Act 2 ===
* On another night, Kara listens to Slick play again. She applauds his work, and offers him a mix of praise and criticism. She perceives the music as conveying a sense of loss, of trying to catch someone who is moving away too fast.
* Tyrol asks for help from the Five to save Boomer from execution. They refuse, with Ellen Tigh telling him that they will not set themselves up as gods for the rebel Cylons.
* Later, Tyrol visits Boomer again. She tells him that the house in her projection was a "secret retreat" that she built in her mind and visited on a daily basis after being shot by [[Cally]]. The two talk about the extensive plans they had made for building the house; Boomer calls the Chief's planning "obsessive," but he describes them as "thorough." He reaches through the wire mesh, and Boomer places her hand to the glass. Tyrol looks around the house, appreciates it and Boomer's company--and then finds signs of a child, [[Dionne Tyrol|their daughter]]. He goes into their child's room and sits with her. Outside the projection, he laughs and cries happily.
* Back in the bar, Slick announces that the first movement is finished. He starts the second, with Kara accusing him of stealing material from Nomion's 3rd Sonata. She sits with Slick, talking about her father teaching her to play the piano and her pleasant memories of the experience, particularly a song that made her "happy and sad at the same time."

=== Act 3 ===
* The flight deck is completely empty, except for Starbuck (wearing a [[flight suit]]) and a blond girl playing a piano. Starbuck slowly approaches the girl from behind, places a hand on her sholder, and turns her around. Instead of the girl's face, she sees her own burned remains--and bolts awake, covered in sweat.
* Holding her recovered dog tags, Starbuck tells Slick about the experience of finding her body on Earth. Slick claims to be unable to answer her questions. She goes on to say that the search for Earth gave her clarity and focus, but since discovering the planet and abandoning it, she feels lost again. Slick tells her that sometimes "lost is where you need to be."
* Tyrol pleads with Roslin for Boomer's life. Roslin abruptly tells him to stop, reminding him that Boomer preys on personal feelings, and that by asking for a personal favor from her, Tyrol is doing the same thing. She signs the order turning Boomer over to the rebel Cylons, and curtly dismisses him.
* At one of the repair sites, Tyrol stares at an Eight who is busy applying the Cylon resin. He grabs a wrench. The lights go out, and mixed in with the sounds of people yelling is a heavy thump.
* Slick hits a wall in his composing. Starbuck and Slick talk about him leaving his family because his wife wanted him to quit music. Starbuck scolds him for ditching his family just like her own father did.
* Tyrol helps the guards in the Cylon brig to reactivate the security cameras following the blackout. It appears that Boomer is sleeping, and remained asleep through the entire incident.
* Slick assures Starbuck that her father left her something valuable: the ability to play the piano. At first, Starbuck refuses to play, but she is coaxed by Slick to play a few hesitant notes. She tears up, stops playing, and asks him to play. He agrees to play if she does.
* In the locker room, Athena finishes washing up when an Eight walks in. She believes it is someone assigned to fixing the shower, but then she turns to face the Eight and instantly recognizes her: "Boomer." Before Athena can do anything else, Boomer punches her in the face. Athena's head hits the sink hard and she falls to the floor. Boomer continues to pummel her.

=== Act 4 ===
* Boomer finishes washing blood off her hands when Helo comes into the locker room. She tries to pull away when Helo suggests an intimate moment before she leaves on her recon mission, but she eventually gives in. Boomer and Helo continue having sex. In a stall, Athena, bound and gagged, slowly comes back to consciousness and sees the two through the slightly opened door.
* In Joe's, Saul Tigh tells Ellen Tigh and Tory Foster about the pain of seeing Liam after Caprica Six's miscarriage.
* Slick realizes where Starbuck's hesitant music is going and writes a few notes. Starbuck realizes that his notes line up perfectly with the stars in Hera' drawing. The two resume playing, and the music flows more confidently. Saul, Ellen, and Tory stop their conversation and listen to the music.
* Dressed in a flight suit, Boomer finds Hera in the day care center, and encourages her to drink something on the way out.
* Tyrol helps Boomer to lift a box onto a waiting raptor. She tries convincing him to come, but her turns her down, assuring her that they will meet again in the future.
* Slick and Starbuck play the music faster and stronger--until it becomes The Music. Once the piece is finished, the three who were listening to Starbuck appear next to her demand to know how she was able to play it. She tells them it was something she had learned as a child. Slick is nowhere to be seen.
* As Helo gives a briefing on combat tactics, Athena, bloddied and weak, crawls into the room. She tells Helo what happened. Helo orders the others to get medical help and to contact CIC. He tries to comfort Athena, but she yells in anguish and hits him.
* Boomer waits for departure clearance in the port flight pod. Suspecting that she has been caught, she starts the raptor's engines. Adama threatens to shoot her down, but she warns him that he will not be willing to fire on a raptor carrying Hera. As she spools up the raptor's FTL, Adama orders the flight pods retracted. She launches, racing toward the narrowing gap and clearing it, but clipping the raptor in the process. She jumps away close to ''Galactica'''s hull. The jump rips a hole in the battlestar, shakes the ship violently, and triggers power outages and explosions seemingly everywhere.
* In Adama's quarters, Roslin whispers, "Hera," and collapses.
* Tyrol spots Helo and Athena arguing with a guard. He is horrified to learn that Boomer has kidnapped Hera.
* In the day care center, Ellen tells Saul that her escape from [[Cavil]] had been a ploy, nothing more than a way of getting Boomer close enough to abduct Hera. They wonder aloud about how Hera and the music, and whether Sam can help.
* In sickbay, Starbuck plays a tape of her father's music for Sam, and lies next to him.
* The Chief runs frantically through ''Galactica''. In the projected version of the house built by Boomer, he runs through all the rooms, and finds no one.

== Notes ==
* [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] do not appear in this episode. As with the previous episode, [[Lee Adama]] appears in only a couple of scenes.
* "[[Wikipedia:Someone to Watch Over Me (song)|Someone To Watch Over Me]]" is the name of a song composed by [[Wikipedia:George Gershwin|George]] and [[Wikipedia:Ira Gershwin|Ira Gershwin]], and featured in the musical [[Wikipedia:Oh, Kay!|''Oh, Kay!'']] A major theme of the song is the need to find love and acceptance, something [[Sharon Valerii]], [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Kara Thrace]] are all seeking in their own ways.
** There was also an episode of ''[[w:Star Trek: Voyager|Star Trek: Voyager]]'' named for the song, in which it is performed at the end by The Doctor.
* Weeks have passed since the end of [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]], as evidenced by [[Cottle]]'s comment about how long Anders' EEG readings have remained steady, and Starbuck's comment about how long she has repeated the same mission briefing.
* Starbuck acknowledges, in her address to the other pilots, that the mutiny has "thinned our numbers". This, combined with the apparent absence of pilots such as [[Margaret Edmonson]] and [[Diana Seelix]], confirms their involvement in the mutiny did not go unpunished, although exactly what that punishment is remains unknown.
** In the Podcast for "[[Deadlock]]" RDM states that all the mutineers were imprisoned on the ''[[Astral Queen]]''.
* After her apparent death in "[[Maelstrom]]", Kara's personal belongings were auctioned off. Helo has managed to get them all back for her. However, the only thing Kara is interested in is the tape of her father's music.
*The seven notes that Slick plays over and over again after completing his 1st movement — identified by Kara as "[[Nomion's 3rd Sonata]], second movement" — was actually used in the [[Original Series]] as the somewhat sinister sounding fanfare of the "Exploration Theme" which served as the intro to "[[Saga of a Star World]]". This is not the first time music from the original series has shown up (i.e. the [[Colonial Anthem]]), and lends to the idea that everything 'has happened before, and will happen again'.
* The brand of "[[Tauron (RDM)|Tauron]] toothpaste" offered as a prize to the pilots is called "[[Felgercarb (RDM)|Felgercarb]]," a word used in the [[Original Series]] to mean "shit." Tauron comes from Taurus the bull. In essence, Kara is offering the pilot who finds a new planet "bullshit toothpaste."
* The collection of named [[Number Six]] models expands with the addition of [[Sonja]], who becomes the first Cylon to be elected to the Fleet's reconstituted Quorum.
*When Tyrol visits and talks to Boomer for the first time in the Brig, during the conversation Boomer calls Tyrol "Galen" for the first time, at least publicly and on screen. In past episodes, both Boomer and Athena usually referred to their significant others with their callsigns/titles. For Athena, it was always referring to Agathon as Helo. For Boomer, it was always referring to Tyrol as Chief. Athena was the first of the two to break that tradition, noticeably after the two married. Boomer's shared projection with Tyrol and their imaginary marriage may be the reason why she ceased calling him solely "Chief."

== Analysis ==
===Galactica's condition ===
*FTL jumps appear to create spatial distortions that can seriously strain a ships hull. Although bad hull damage does not necessarily prevent a ship from jumping (as has been seen many times before in the seasons, for example ''Pegasus'' - which jumped after being hit by three nuclear missiles in [[The Captain's Hand]]) the threat to ''Galactica'' has been compounded by the added riddling of the entire aged superstructure with microfractures. Tigh expresses concern that a jump within the flight pod will seriously strain the internal integrity of the ship. Boomer's FTL jump does eventually appear to cause a chain reaction of hull collapses along ''Galactica's'' port side, a side visibly weakened by Cylon attack, and suffering general aging in the 50+ year old ship's structure.
*The port side of ''Galactica'' which suffers damage in this episode has been seen specifically to suffer major stress before now- particularly during the [[Battle of New Caprica]] when it was mentioned that explosive decompressions were imminent in that section. That side of the ship also saw the port water tank blow out in [[Water]]-as well as damage from a nuclear explosion incurred during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] though these seemed to be repaired it no doubt contributed to the area's hull fatigue.
* Many individuals express fears of the damage an FTL jump can do to ''Galactica'', implying FTL jumps place serious strains on a ships hull — or even the hull of a ship nearby and a degree of hull integrity is important to allow a ship to continue jumping for continued periods. This appears quite a new phenomenon in the canon of the show and was not mentioned in previous seasons, though it of course makes for a convenient plot concept now. Before this ships have frequently been seen jumping and exiting a jump close to each other in the series with seemingly no ill effects — though it is possible Boomer's Raptor was much closer to Galactica's hull than has ever been seen before. In the episode [[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]] the tylium ship jumped whilst surrounded by Raptors and Vipers and no ship seemed to suffer damage, although they were knocked back and sent tumbling. It should be made clear that smaller objects are proportionally stronger and that smaller objects should feel much less shear in the wash of another nearby ship jumping. It is also possible the stress of by being caught in the FTL field of another vessel rather than that caused by a vessels own, properly configured FTL drive is more powerful and dangerous.
*Given that ''Galactica'' has jumped hundreds of times whilst damaged before now, it is not explained why no damage has occurred before given it is assumed damage will be guaranteed by an unplanned jump in this episode. In the miniseries ''Galactica'' suffered a nuke hit and yet jumped several times later. Also despite falling through the atmosphere of New Caprica ''Galactica'' was able to execute an FTL jump despite the severe strains on the hull. Fears of FTL stress were not mentioned.
** ''Galactica'' has probably been taking damage over the years from multiple jumps and suffering combat damage. That's how the microfractures developed. It's just that the extent of the damage has not become apparent until now.
** It is in part because of those actions, the atomic strikes and it jumping and falling though into a planet's gravity well and its atmosphere is why ''Galactic''a is suffering from massive metal fatigue, in addition to normal wear and tear of a 50+ year old ship and the fact that she hasn't had a major or even minor overhaul in years even before the the attack on the Colonies has taken their toll. In addition as discovered by Chief Tyrol the builders of ''Galactica'' "cut corners" with the building specifications of the ship. If the ''Galactica'' was able to retire on schedule these issues of "substandard" construction wouldn't have come up.
** Further to the point above about small craft being subject to less 'shear', it stands to reason that the size of the disturbance created by a ship executing a jump might be proportional to the size of the ship itself. A large vessel such as the tylium ship may create a widespread but relatively smooth disturbance, so the nearby Raptors would have been like corks bobbing as a wave passed. Conversely, a small vessel such as a Raptor might create a localised but very sharp distortion that poses more risk of damage to a large ship close to it.
*The age of ''Galactica'''s FTL drive might explain why the ship's hull integrity is taxed so badly by her FTL drive - more modern drives might not cause so much stress, and might explain why other Fleet ships and the rebel basestar can continue to jump despite the damage their hulls have taken.
* ''Galactica'' is in very bad shape from the metal fatigue in the hull. It's so bad that Tyrol says that all the [[Cylon organic resin]] could do is buy a little more time, but not too much from the looks of it, and that the ship might only be capable of a few more FTL jumps, if that. The ship is dying of old age and abuse and there's nothing anyone can do save it completely. The damage Boomer created during her escape has no doubt worsened the ship's condition.

===Boomer's actions===
* Adama has still not forgiven Boomer for shooting him.
* Ellen's escape from Cavil seems to have been orchestrated between him and Boomer in order to get Boomer on ''Galactica'' so she could kidnap Hera according to Ellen's speculation to her husband Saul Tigh.
* It would appear that while Cavil was willing to let Ellen go in order to obtain Hera, members of the [[Final Five]] are still of some value to him, as evidenced by Boomer's offer for Tyrol to go with her.
**It is more likely that Boomer genuinely wanted him to come with her because she truly loves him. Bringing him back to John Cavil-if that is where she is headed-would be of no use to him because as Ellen stated he would need all Five of the Finals to recreate Resurrection. In addition to her rekindled love, she has seen-or at least heard about-that it is possible for a Final Five Cylon to mate and have offspring with a "Standard Model" like herself even if Caprica-Six's pregnancy by Saul Tigh failed, so the possibility of a family which she shared with Tyrol in her projection, was open to her.
* Boomer has gone from being a conflicted sleeper agent to being a willing infiltrator and saboteur on ''Galactica''. With her rekindled love for Tyrol, she may be again conflicted.
* The Cylons want Boomer tried for treason, with execution being a possible outcome, because her actions are linked to the permanent deaths of thousands of Cylons when she sided against her model in the [[Cylon Civil War]]. This parallels the Colonial Fleet's own desire to try [[Gaius Baltar]] for siding against humanity and collaborating with the Cylons on New Caprica.

*It is very possible-but not certain-that the Cylon ability to recognize individual Cylons despite them looking exactly like each other (most of the time, the Sixes seem to have the most variants in hair color and use of makeup, both voluntary actions) relies on actually looking at the individual. In the lavatory where Sharon "Boomer" Valerii severely beats Sharon "Athena" Agathon, Athena initially mistook Boomer as a generic Eight when she saw her in the reflection of a mirror. It was after she stood up, turned around and looked directly at Boomer did Athena recognize her as Boomer. Admittedly however, it is possible that she would have recognized Boomer if she only watched her in the reflection. Still, she said a full sentence while she looked at her in the mirror-"Great, I hope you are here to fix the frakkin' shower!"-but instantly recognized Boomer the exact moment she saw her directly and not reflected. Perhaps they also need to look the other Cylon square in the eyes, which is what Tyrol does in "[[Deadlock]]" before identifying Boomer.
**Helo did notice that Boomer did smell different. Boomer covered for this saying she found some soap.
***Helo said she smell good not different an she was washing her hands at the time. However there is a relevance to Helo mentioning her smell. In a scene from [[Litmus]] Tyrol and Boomer were in bed together shortly after engaging in intercourse. He said to her: "Sometimes at work I try to conjure up what your face looks like...Curve of your lips.....The way your hair falls. How you smell." Helo as just noted told Boomer she smelled good just before they had sex.
* Boomer has sex with [[Helo]] by pretending to be [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] after he mistook her for his wife and he insisted after she tried to leave, but then enthusiastically let him believe she was Athena and willingly had sex with him. This is ironic, as Athena originally seduced Helo on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], by pretending to be Boomer.
** Boomer's willingness to have sex with Agathon - in the presence of Athena - was motivated by a desire to exact revenge on Athena for having effectively taken over her old life on ''Galactica'' according to the show writers.
***Though she initially hesitated, a knowing glance to the corner where Athena was hidden, is the clue to her decision to defile Athena's relationship with Helo.

===Starbuck's role===
* The mysterious piano player is [[Dreilide Thrace|Kara's father]], which can be concluded by his sudden disappearance and by the flashbacks with both Kara and her father playing the piano when she was little. These flashbacks mirror the exact same movements done by Captain Thrace and the piano player.<ref>http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1598</ref>
* The title of the tape Kara receives back from Helo is "Dreilide Thrace Live at the Helice Opera House."
** [[w:Helice|Helice]], also spelled Helike, was an ancient Greek city which sank into the Corinthian Gulf in 373 B.C.
** Helice was the ancient Greek name <ref>http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/620003/Ursa-Major</ref> for the constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (the Great Bear). Helice in Greek means "to spin" or "to turn"; it is the root of the modern word helix. Ursa Major revolves around [[w:Polaris|Polaris]], the Pole Star, hence the name. This may be a reference to the spinning of the [[maelstrom]] Kara flew into before her ship was destroyed, and it could also refer to the [[mandala]] found on the wall of her apartment and the [[Temple of Five]].
** [[w:Helike_(mythology)|Helice/Helike]] was also the name of a nymph in Greek mythology who nursed the infant [[Zeus]], along with another nymph, Melissa (which name itself means "honey" or "honey bee"). <ref>http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/UrsaMajor.html</ref>
** [[w:Helike_(moon)|Helike]] is also a newly-discovered moon of [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]].
** However, the appearance of the word Helice in the show may simply be a tongue-in-cheek reference to [[Bear McCreary]]'s heavy involvement with this episode -- Ursa Major, and McCreary, both being "The Great Bear."<ref>http://tvbacon.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/battlestar-galactica-someone-to-watch-over-me-live-at-the-helice-opera-house/</ref>
* It is possible that Starbuck also has the ability of Projection and she projected the Piano Player beside her when she played a section of "All Along the Watchtower" from the drawing Hera made, which turned out to be musical notation. She, from her POV, was playing a long side of him but when Saul Tigh, Ellen Tigh, and Tory Foster confronted her about where she learned to play that music he was gone. Perhaps it was just standard human daydreaming, or a [[Virtual beings|Virtual being]], but it could have been projection.

===The Seven and the Five===
*The Final Five have the same [[Projection|projection]] ability as the Cylons they created. Cylons can share projections.
* Projections can include not just imaginary environments but also imaginary people, such as Boomer and Tyrol's "daughter" Dionne.
* It also appears that projections might be a form of persistent environment -- similar to real-life virtual worlds such as [[w:Second Life|Second Life]], as Tyrol re-enters Boomer's projection after she escapes with Hera, as if expecting to find her and Dionne still in there.
* The Final Five, [[Hera Agathon]], and [[Kara Thrace]] are all somehow connected to each other by [[The Music]]. Also possibly connected via the song is Kara's [[Dreilide Thrace|mysterious father]].
*Both the Agathons and Tyrol suffer the loss of a daughter: Hera and Tyrol's imaginary daughter from his and Boomer's shared projection; both taken by Boomer. Hera actually, Tyrol's symbolically in Tyrol's solo projection. Both Athena and Tyrol suffer great grief and display it: Athena's primal howls and beating her arm against Helo's back in rage/despair; Tyrol's sinking to his knees and burying his head in his arms in his child's empty room in his projection. Helo initially took the situation stoically, but in the previews for the next episode "[[Islanded In a Stream of Stars]]," it appears the emotional toll over the loss of his daughter is telling on Helo when Adama, presumably taking about Hera, says-uncharacteristically-"get over it" to a disheveled Helo.
* Ellen Tigh has the same reaction to hearing The Music as her husband and Tory Foster. She, of course, remembers hearing Sam Anders play the song on Earth.

===The status of Cylons in the Fleet===
* The Cylons seem to have officially joined the Fleet as they now have the representation they wanted on the new Quorum in the form of a Six named Sonja. It is also confirmed that Cylon and Colonial pilots are performing joint [[CAP]]s.
** This is most clearly seen when Athena staggers into the briefing room and Helo orders one of the Sixes to go get the medics, the Six unhesitatingly responds "Yes, Sir". Several Sixes and Eights are also seen attending Starbuck's "toothpaste briefing."
** The rebel Cylon pilots do not appear to have been commissioned into the Colonial military, as they wear Cylon flight suits without insignia and none is addressed by rank.
* Many of the Sixes and Eights appear to use their model numbers as surnames, and are referred to and addressed as "Six" or "Eight". They do not yet appear to have been given individual call-signs. For example, at the toothpaste briefing, Starbuck states that "Six has the color assignments and recognition codes," (not, for instance, "''This'' Six..." or "The Six in the front row..."), and the Six in question casually raises her hand for the pilots behind her to see. Likewise, Helo addresses one as "Six" when ordering her to fetch a medic.
* Despite integrating allied flight command (at least among manned Heavy Raiders), being represented in the Quorum, and subordinating their Basestar weapons control to President Roslin ("[[Blood on the Scales]]"), the Rebel Cylons have retained some sovereignty and are thus entitled to extradite Sharon "Boomer" Valerii and try her for treason under Cylon law.
* Cylon law does not prohibit punishments to be enacted ''ex post facto''. Sonja explains that a death penalty provision would have been meaningless prior to the destruction of the hub, yet they intend to execute Boomer if she is found guilty for the treason she is accused of committing prior to the hub's destruction. However, a true death sentence could have been accomplished earlier simply by executing a prisoner after jumping out of resurrection range.

===Miscellaneous===
* It has been unclear whether Karl Agathon is still the [[Commander Air Group]] (CAG) of Galactica or Kara Thrace officially takes over the CAG as Agathon used to join important staff meetings with Adama & Tigh in previous episodes. However, this episode clearly shows that Thrace is now serving as the CAG of ''Galactica''.

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

* Will Boomer take Hera to Cavil? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* Why does Cavil want Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* Why did Boomer sleep with Helo? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me#Official Statements|Answer]])
* What is the source of Starbuck's visions of her father? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Partial Answer]])
* How did Starbuck and Hera arrive at a piano version of the same [[The Music|melody]] originally played by Anders on a guitar on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Partial Answer]])
* Will Tyrol's involvement in Boomer's escape be discovered? How will Athena and Helo react? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* What is Roslin's physical status after collapsing at the end of the episode? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* How does Roslin know of Hera's abduction without being informed? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Partial Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* What was Boomer writing in her cell when she first sensed Tyrol watching her?
* Do all the ships in the Fleet - regardless of their relative crew and passenger size - get to send representatives to the new Quorum?
* Why did nobody say anything about Kara talking to herself before Saul, Ellen, Galen, and Tory realised what she was playing?
* If FTL drives cause spacial distortions with the potential to significantly damage ships, then why hasn't the FTL drive been weaponized by either side?

== Official Statements ==
*Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews David Weddle and Bradley Thompson<ref>http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-starbuck-boomer-someone-to-watch-over-me-.html</ref>:
**Boomer had a sick desire to strike out at Athena, based on a perverse envy.
**Boomer's escape with Ellen was staged so that she could kidnap Hera. She intended to just use the Chief, but their interactions did awaken feelings she thought were dead.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Ellen Tigh, Saul Tigh, and Tory Foster are in Joe's bar. Saul is remarking at the state of someone they cared about:''

:'''Saul''': Cottle was right, I should've never insisted on seeing him. His eyes were open! I wasn't ready for that. The little guy was looking right at me!

::''Saul was not talking about Anders (in a coma with his eyes open) but the body of his dead son Liam that was delivered stillborn after he died in utero but whose corpse he insisted on seeing.''

*''Cottle gives a response to the Cylons' observations about Anders' condition:''

:'''Cottle''': The last thing we need is you jerking our chains with a lot of quack ideas. So why don't you take them someplace else?

*'''Slick''' ''(to Starbuck)'': Listen. It may feel like hell, but sometimes lost is where you need to be. Just because you don't know your direction doesn't mean you don't have one.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Roark Critchlow]] as [[Slick]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Torrance Coombs]] as Lance Corporal [[C. Sellers]]
* [[Ivan Cermak]] as Corporal [[D. Wallace]]
* [[Curtis Caravaggio]] as [[Nathanson]]
* [[Cherilynn Fulbright]] as [[Dionne]]
* [[Patrick Gilmore]] as [[Rafferty]]
* [[Samantha Kaine]] as Off-duty Crew Person
* [[Erika-Shaye Gair]] as Young [[Kara Thrace]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Sonja Bennett]] as Specialist [[Marcie Brasko]]
* [[David Weddle]] as Smoking man in [[Joe's bar]] (uncredited)

== References ==
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{{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}

[[Category:Episodes written by Bradley Thompson]]
[[Category:Episodes written by David Weddle]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Nankin]]

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Talk:Deadlock/Archive 1

2011-07-17T18:38:53Z

Dogger55: Comments unrelated to section title were given their own section.

-- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC){{newsection link}}

==Okay, what happened?==
Is this the most recent back up? God, I don't even remember all the work I did. Depressing. I supposed all the pages are this way? that is in the state they were in at the time this article was in this stage of development? [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 11:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering the same things. I added a lot to the analysis and questions area before the sql dump that seemed to have occurred yesterday. Dang, what happened?! [[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 17:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:See [http://battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?p=50875 this]. Short story: Database crashed, backup restored (but lost a couple days of work). Backups will be made more frequently now and to multiple locations. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

:: I always Special:Export the full history of any wiki page I do significant work on, after I save any large edit. Started doing it a few months back and haven't looked back since. You'll never need to experience this frustration again, so I recommend it highly. [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 22:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

==Title==
''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Behavior of Characters==
After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.

And what's with Bill Adama agonizing over the Cylon goop being put into Galactica? Granted it's not what he would like, but Adama has always shown himself to be a pragmatist. He knows he has no choice. He even admits it during his drunken binge with Tigh. The Adama we know from the past hasn't agonized over forced choices once they've been made. Again, why the sudden shift in character? It's jarring to the point of unbelievability.

And what's Adama up to giving Baltar guns? Has he lost his mind? Didn't we just have a bloody mutiny on Galactica over the whole idea of Cylon's integrating into the fleet? As I recall, Adama was on the pro-Cylon side -- again, because he's a pragmatist, not out of any love of the Cylons. Now he's acting like he fears the Cylons all over again, despite the fact his XO is one and Tyrol is once again in charge of the deck. The rebel Cylons basically saved Roslin's life. They are helping repair the Galactica. They've practically prostrated themselves at the mercy of the humans. At what point do our half-blind humans finally realize these Cylons are ''different''? That they're trying to help?

Gaius's "last ''human'' solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta. Something ''must'' be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda. If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
* OK, that's weird. Why is your datestamp 7 months from now? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* * Good question. I've no idea --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* Yes, totally . She does tell the gang specifically that she is still Ellen, too -- since from the Cavil conversation we know the plan for them was to download back with full memories of everything that happened. It's likely that the New Ellen we saw this episode was the writers trying to show that while she is cylon she is very much human as well (loves Saul, jealous of Six, furious that he would sleep with one of "their children" even though he couldn't have known), or that the memories/template of Old Ellen is still strongly with her and may continue to drive some of her reactions. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 03:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* MORE -- Re: Baltar, had to watch it again, but what he is saying is that while the fleet in on a path to be blended, the populace isn't fully ready to accept this fate just yet. That Baltar can put together a civilian militia to keep order where the marines aren't is the last choice Adama has before he finally turns to the Baseship for mustering a police force (the implied non-human solution). And at this point he's right, there's no way the fleet would accept Cylons acting as police. So it's not an anti-Cylon agenda at all, he's just trying to buy Adama some time. Bill's agonizing because up to this point he's seen Humans and Rebel Cylons as allies, but separate nations. The hope has been that Humans ultimately rebuild the Human race, but the direction is now clearly showing both sides need each other and that instead Humans (and Cylons) will be building a new Hybrid race. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 04:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

*I see the Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" as more reserved and circumspect, and less expressive, perhaps because she is a prisoner of Cavil and knows how he detests human emotions and behavior. She has every reason to fear he might cut her brain open, or box her, and does not wish to provoke him. Once freed, however, and once she learns of Saul's affair with Six, she may simply be acting freer to express her true, inner Ellen. -- [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 14:34, 17 July 2011 (EDT).

== I Don't Agree ==

First of all, Baltar said what he said to Adama just to get the guns. He knew he'd only get them if he appealed to Adama's pro-human side, which he did. He probably meant none of it (Baltar, anit-Cylon? He gave one of the sixes a nuke!).

Secondly, love is far from logical, and Ellen (at least, is implied) is in love with Saul, hence she will not be logical, and cast him down. He's been unfaithful with her daughter, effectively; all logic goes out of the window.

* But what could Baltar have possibly said that could've motivated Adama to give weapons to ''civilians''? And mot just any civilians but ''brainwashed'' ones? And while I'll readily concede love is anything but logical, if I had to describe the "No Exit" Ellen with just one adjective, it would be "rational." But in this episode she's completely irrational. It's like those stupid romantic comedies where everyone must misbehave in exactly the wrong way at the wrong time in order to draw the wrong conclusion and perform the wrong action...all of which is tidied up in the third act. BSG is better than that, which is why I'm so disappointed in this episode.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 23:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Scene(s) May Explain the Guns ==

I understand that there was at least one scene that was cut in which the problem of internal security on Galactica was discussed. (Don't have the citation handy.) The problem is that, due to loses incurred during the mutiny, the number of marines available for security duty is way below what is needed. One of the solutions discussed was to bring over centurions from the base ship to augment the security force, but that was deemed to be a bad thing (duh). So in that context, Baltar's appeal for guns to defend themselves and the other civilians might seem to Adama to be the lesser of two evils.

But boy, did you see the look of lust on Paula's face as she examined her new semi-auto. That girl's going "postal" one day soon, mark my words. [[User:Strotter|Strotter]] 03:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

* If this is indeed a missing scene then it starts to make a little sense. Still, I have a hard time believing Galactica's security forces were so decimated that Adama is willing to turn over weapons to untrained, unpredictable, untrusted civilians. Galactica has over a thousand personnel. Surely there are better options than giving guns to cultists. --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Found ==

The one question I still can't figure out... is how the hell did Boomer find Galactica in a Raptor? If Boomer could find it so easily, couldn't Cavil?

Just thinking...
[[User:Ghostalker|Ghostalker]]
* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
** (b) holds more water - if Cavil had a Raptor for Boomer to steal, and that alone were enough to find Earth, he'd have already done it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. Sharon would've programmed a jump destination somewhere safe so she could quickly jump away. Once there, Ellen could give Sharon the coordinates for Earth and they could jump there.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Can we unlock this page now? ==

Can we unlock this page? It's been two days since the episode was aired. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 01:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:But it is unlocked. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 01:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::It wasn't locked when I got to it, and I've removed the spoiler and locked tags from the page. Have at it. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 02:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Piano in the bar ==

Kara asks the bartender "When'd you get a piano" and doesn't get an answer, just a strange look, but there is a piano in the background. Is it possible the piano and its player are just a manifestation like Baltar's head-6? In "Someone to Watch Over Me" the piano player is supposed to help her find out who she is. She also has a vision of a little girl playing a piano in a ship bay. Is the piano player Daniel, or her father, or both? [[User:Carlodrum|Carlodrum]] 04:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== How Tyrol ID'd Boomer ==

Just in my opinion, when he saw her, he wasn't looking for some 'tell' that showed she was Boomer. ...He knew when he saw her land that Raptor. Getting her to acknowledge him was just a confirmation.

Before the episode even aired, I envisioned a scene where Tyrol and maybe Kelly watched an approaching Raptor come in with furrowed brows, then when it landed, cursed and called for security.

== Dialog Correction ==

In Act 4, there is a mistake in the summary, as well in the closed captioning done for the show, in the scene with Tigh and Adama. It is described as: Tigh says that "it's not like that." Adama agrees, embraces and comforts him. Listening closely reveals that Tigh says "It's not like '''Zack'''" refering to Lee's brother/Adama's other son, who died in adulthood during military training.
:I'll update it. In the future, [[BW:BOLD|be bold]]; feel free to make the change yourself. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:Closed captioning can be VERY inaccurate. Better to wait for DVD subtitles than to rely on them. I still don't understand why Tigh would bring Zack up. You know who he is, and I do, but wouldn't that probably lose the average viewer? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:The text from the script says:
::"'''Tigh''': "It's not like with Zak. It's not. I know that. But ... it's ..."
:So I was wrong. I still think that's a reach for most people to follow, but I guess they didn't dumb it down. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Why was a random Eight and Six urging Ellen to go to the Baseship and jump away and not Caprica Six and Athena? ==

In my opinion, the answer that Athena would never agree to abandon the fleet is not the main reason that Athena was not at Anders's site.

I think that the random Eight and Six were representives from the rebel basestar and came to the Battlestar Galactica along with Tory Foster when the first meeting of the Final Five was organized. I think they just didn't invite Caprica Six and Athena, because the rebel cylons had already made their decision and asked only the Final Five to join them and abandon the fleet.

Later when Ellen Tigh confronted Saul Tigh, in my opinion, Ellen wanted Caprica Six to be present because she needed Caprica Six for her plot to humiliate and hurt Saul Tigh by pretending to vote for abandoning the fleet. [[User:JohnJ|JohnJ]] 19:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Significance of the name "Gaius?" ==

I was reading this article -
http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/2007/10/15/Charity-Makes-Wealth

"Old Honest poses this riddle to the innkeeper Gaius: “A man there was, tho’ some did count him mad, / The more he cast away, the more he had.” Gaius solves the riddle thus: “He that bestows his Goods upon the Poor / Shall have as much again, and ten times more.”"

Somehow I remember our Gaius saying something similar when he was handing out food.

== Act Break? ==

Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:The act 2-3 break appears to be different as well. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::If somebody could check this (on Hulu maybe?), I'd appreciate it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Deadlock/Archive 1

2011-07-17T18:34:45Z

Dogger55: /* Title */

-- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC){{newsection link}}

==Okay, what happened?==
Is this the most recent back up? God, I don't even remember all the work I did. Depressing. I supposed all the pages are this way? that is in the state they were in at the time this article was in this stage of development? [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 11:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering the same things. I added a lot to the analysis and questions area before the sql dump that seemed to have occurred yesterday. Dang, what happened?! [[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 17:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:See [http://battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?p=50875 this]. Short story: Database crashed, backup restored (but lost a couple days of work). Backups will be made more frequently now and to multiple locations. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

:: I always Special:Export the full history of any wiki page I do significant work on, after I save any large edit. Started doing it a few months back and haven't looked back since. You'll never need to experience this frustration again, so I recommend it highly. [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 22:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

==Title==
''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.

And what's with Bill Adama agonizing over the Cylon goop being put into Galactica? Granted it's not what he would like, but Adama has always shown himself to be a pragmatist. He knows he has no choice. He even admits it during his drunken binge with Tigh. The Adama we know from the past hasn't agonized over forced choices once they've been made. Again, why the sudden shift in character? It's jarring to the point of unbelievability.

And what's Adama up to giving Baltar guns? Has he lost his mind? Didn't we just have a bloody mutiny on Galactica over the whole idea of Cylon's integrating into the fleet? As I recall, Adama was on the pro-Cylon side -- again, because he's a pragmatist, not out of any love of the Cylons. Now he's acting like he fears the Cylons all over again, despite the fact his XO is one and Tyrol is once again in charge of the deck. The rebel Cylons basically saved Roslin's life. They are helping repair the Galactica. They've practically prostrated themselves at the mercy of the humans. At what point do our half-blind humans finally realize these Cylons are ''different''? That they're trying to help?

Gaius's "last ''human'' solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta. Something ''must'' be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda. If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
* OK, that's weird. Why is your datestamp 7 months from now? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* * Good question. I've no idea --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* Yes, totally . She does tell the gang specifically that she is still Ellen, too -- since from the Cavil conversation we know the plan for them was to download back with full memories of everything that happened. It's likely that the New Ellen we saw this episode was the writers trying to show that while she is cylon she is very much human as well (loves Saul, jealous of Six, furious that he would sleep with one of "their children" even though he couldn't have known), or that the memories/template of Old Ellen is still strongly with her and may continue to drive some of her reactions. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 03:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* MORE -- Re: Baltar, had to watch it again, but what he is saying is that while the fleet in on a path to be blended, the populace isn't fully ready to accept this fate just yet. That Baltar can put together a civilian militia to keep order where the marines aren't is the last choice Adama has before he finally turns to the Baseship for mustering a police force (the implied non-human solution). And at this point he's right, there's no way the fleet would accept Cylons acting as police. So it's not an anti-Cylon agenda at all, he's just trying to buy Adama some time. Bill's agonizing because up to this point he's seen Humans and Rebel Cylons as allies, but separate nations. The hope has been that Humans ultimately rebuild the Human race, but the direction is now clearly showing both sides need each other and that instead Humans (and Cylons) will be building a new Hybrid race. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 04:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

*I see the Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" as more reserved and circumspect, and less expressive, perhaps because she is a prisoner of Cavil and knows how he detests human emotions and behavior. She has every reason to fear he might cut her brain open, or box her, and does not wish to provoke him. Once freed, however, and once she learns of Saul's affair with Six, she may simply be acting freer to express her true, inner Ellen. -- [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 14:34, 17 July 2011 (EDT).

== I Don't Agree ==

First of all, Baltar said what he said to Adama just to get the guns. He knew he'd only get them if he appealed to Adama's pro-human side, which he did. He probably meant none of it (Baltar, anit-Cylon? He gave one of the sixes a nuke!).

Secondly, love is far from logical, and Ellen (at least, is implied) is in love with Saul, hence she will not be logical, and cast him down. He's been unfaithful with her daughter, effectively; all logic goes out of the window.

* But what could Baltar have possibly said that could've motivated Adama to give weapons to ''civilians''? And mot just any civilians but ''brainwashed'' ones? And while I'll readily concede love is anything but logical, if I had to describe the "No Exit" Ellen with just one adjective, it would be "rational." But in this episode she's completely irrational. It's like those stupid romantic comedies where everyone must misbehave in exactly the wrong way at the wrong time in order to draw the wrong conclusion and perform the wrong action...all of which is tidied up in the third act. BSG is better than that, which is why I'm so disappointed in this episode.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 23:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Scene(s) May Explain the Guns ==

I understand that there was at least one scene that was cut in which the problem of internal security on Galactica was discussed. (Don't have the citation handy.) The problem is that, due to loses incurred during the mutiny, the number of marines available for security duty is way below what is needed. One of the solutions discussed was to bring over centurions from the base ship to augment the security force, but that was deemed to be a bad thing (duh). So in that context, Baltar's appeal for guns to defend themselves and the other civilians might seem to Adama to be the lesser of two evils.

But boy, did you see the look of lust on Paula's face as she examined her new semi-auto. That girl's going "postal" one day soon, mark my words. [[User:Strotter|Strotter]] 03:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

* If this is indeed a missing scene then it starts to make a little sense. Still, I have a hard time believing Galactica's security forces were so decimated that Adama is willing to turn over weapons to untrained, unpredictable, untrusted civilians. Galactica has over a thousand personnel. Surely there are better options than giving guns to cultists. --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Found ==

The one question I still can't figure out... is how the hell did Boomer find Galactica in a Raptor? If Boomer could find it so easily, couldn't Cavil?

Just thinking...
[[User:Ghostalker|Ghostalker]]
* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
** (b) holds more water - if Cavil had a Raptor for Boomer to steal, and that alone were enough to find Earth, he'd have already done it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. Sharon would've programmed a jump destination somewhere safe so she could quickly jump away. Once there, Ellen could give Sharon the coordinates for Earth and they could jump there.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Can we unlock this page now? ==

Can we unlock this page? It's been two days since the episode was aired. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 01:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:But it is unlocked. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 01:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::It wasn't locked when I got to it, and I've removed the spoiler and locked tags from the page. Have at it. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 02:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Piano in the bar ==

Kara asks the bartender "When'd you get a piano" and doesn't get an answer, just a strange look, but there is a piano in the background. Is it possible the piano and its player are just a manifestation like Baltar's head-6? In "Someone to Watch Over Me" the piano player is supposed to help her find out who she is. She also has a vision of a little girl playing a piano in a ship bay. Is the piano player Daniel, or her father, or both? [[User:Carlodrum|Carlodrum]] 04:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== How Tyrol ID'd Boomer ==

Just in my opinion, when he saw her, he wasn't looking for some 'tell' that showed she was Boomer. ...He knew when he saw her land that Raptor. Getting her to acknowledge him was just a confirmation.

Before the episode even aired, I envisioned a scene where Tyrol and maybe Kelly watched an approaching Raptor come in with furrowed brows, then when it landed, cursed and called for security.

== Dialog Correction ==

In Act 4, there is a mistake in the summary, as well in the closed captioning done for the show, in the scene with Tigh and Adama. It is described as: Tigh says that "it's not like that." Adama agrees, embraces and comforts him. Listening closely reveals that Tigh says "It's not like '''Zack'''" refering to Lee's brother/Adama's other son, who died in adulthood during military training.
:I'll update it. In the future, [[BW:BOLD|be bold]]; feel free to make the change yourself. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:Closed captioning can be VERY inaccurate. Better to wait for DVD subtitles than to rely on them. I still don't understand why Tigh would bring Zack up. You know who he is, and I do, but wouldn't that probably lose the average viewer? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:The text from the script says:
::"'''Tigh''': "It's not like with Zak. It's not. I know that. But ... it's ..."
:So I was wrong. I still think that's a reach for most people to follow, but I guess they didn't dumb it down. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Why was a random Eight and Six urging Ellen to go to the Baseship and jump away and not Caprica Six and Athena? ==

In my opinion, the answer that Athena would never agree to abandon the fleet is not the main reason that Athena was not at Anders's site.

I think that the random Eight and Six were representives from the rebel basestar and came to the Battlestar Galactica along with Tory Foster when the first meeting of the Final Five was organized. I think they just didn't invite Caprica Six and Athena, because the rebel cylons had already made their decision and asked only the Final Five to join them and abandon the fleet.

Later when Ellen Tigh confronted Saul Tigh, in my opinion, Ellen wanted Caprica Six to be present because she needed Caprica Six for her plot to humiliate and hurt Saul Tigh by pretending to vote for abandoning the fleet. [[User:JohnJ|JohnJ]] 19:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Significance of the name "Gaius?" ==

I was reading this article -
http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/2007/10/15/Charity-Makes-Wealth

"Old Honest poses this riddle to the innkeeper Gaius: “A man there was, tho’ some did count him mad, / The more he cast away, the more he had.” Gaius solves the riddle thus: “He that bestows his Goods upon the Poor / Shall have as much again, and ten times more.”"

Somehow I remember our Gaius saying something similar when he was handing out food.

== Act Break? ==

Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:The act 2-3 break appears to be different as well. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::If somebody could check this (on Hulu maybe?), I'd appreciate it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Deadlock

2011-07-17T16:35:49Z

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== Overview ==

:''[[Ellen Tigh]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] return to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], prompting the rebel [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] to consider parting ways with the Colonials.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

*A mixed Cylon and human work force is making repairs to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' using the [[Cylon organic resin|organic resin]] [[Galen Tyrol]] described. [[William Adama]] asks if he can touch it. After doing so, he asks Tyrol if it is alive.
*In [[Dogsville]], a group of Marines are distributing food. The civilians in line become rather unruly, pushing and shoving despite the Marines assurances that "everyone will get their share."
*[[Caprica-Six]] is walking nearby with her head covered. She is recognized by a group of civilians who attack her. She beats them back, but is struck in the process.
*Adama tells Tyrol that the use of the resin "had better work."
*In [[Sick bay]], [[Sherman Cottle]] tells Caprica and [[Saul Tigh]] that their baby is perfectly healthy and "has a heart like a kettle drum." He shoos them away but Tigh wants Caprica to stay in sick bay just in case. They have a good laugh about the fact that he doesn't trust the machine. She says that [[Liam]] is fine and she would sleep better at home.
*In [[CIC]], [[Louis Hoshi]] detects the Raptor that [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] are on, reporting that it ([[Raptor 702]]) was logged as missing over a year ago. The [[CAP]], led by [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]], moves to intercept and communicate with it, but 702's transmission is garbled. Valerii acknowledges she can hear them via signal light. A [[Number Six]] flying a [[Heavy Raider]] with the CAP reports that the voice sounds like an Eight. Adama orders the CAP to bring it in.
*On the [[Hangar Deck]] Ellen steps out of the Raptor. She states how thrilled she is to see everyone. [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]] wonders aloud "How many dead chicks are out there?" Tigh is elated to see Ellen, and the two kiss passionately. Tyrol approaches Valerii, grins slightly, and says, "Nice to see you again." He informs Adama that the Eight is Valerii and he quickly and angrily orders her taken to the [[Brig]].

=== Act 1 ===

*In the Admiral's quarters Ellen is speaking with [[President Roslin]], [[Lee Adama]], Colonel Tigh and Admiral Adama. She reports that the destruction of the [[Resurrection Hub]] has resulted in [[Number One]] becoming psychologically unbalanced as he does not feel biological procreation can assure Cylon survival. Noting the wary look on all of their faces she says that she is still the same Ellen and asks if anyone has a flask. Adama hands her one. She reports that Boomer helped her escape and hopes they won't treat her too badly. She asks to see the rest of the [[Final Five]]. Ellen says they are like family, asking the others to imagine what it would be like if, instead of 50,000 survivors, there were only 5 and how close they would all be. She asks Tigh how much he remembers. He replies "just flashes." Lee tells her about the condition of [[Sam Anders]]. She asks to see him and the others. Adama says he'll see what he can do, exchanging concerned glances with Lee and Roslin.
*Once Ellen and Tigh are alone, he tells her there is so much to ask her and tell her. She is not interested in talking, asking him "floor or table?" He says that he doesn't care, and she sweeps everything off the table. Just before they make love, Tigh briefly projects the face of a Six over Ellen's features.
*Meanwhile, in Tigh's quarters, Caprica-Six has a sudden flash of pain. She drops the bowl she is eating from, clutches her belly and groans.
*The followers of [[Gaius Baltar]] are loading pistols and discussing supplies as he walks in. [[Jeanne]] is excited to see him, running over and kissing him immediately. [[Paulla Schaffer]] is somewhat less enthusiastic, saying that they "wondered if he was coming back." He replies that his return was always a matter of course and asks what he missed. She states that people started stealing their food, prompting them to take guns from the bodies of dead mutineers once they realized they had "been abandoned." He replies that he never abandoned them, prompting Jeanne to amend "abandoned by God." He replies that he knew his extended absence would teach them self-reliance and that is why he stayed away for so long. Paulla sarcastically remarks that is very wise of him. Baltar's [[Messenger Six]] appears to tell him that "The sheep have a new shepherd."
*Ellen and Tigh are getting dressed. She compliments him on his sexual technique and asks whom he's frakked. She states that after thousands of years of marriage she is quite familiar with his lovemaking style, adding that she's not mad as he thought she was dead. He admits to sex with a Six but added he always thought of her. She reminds him of the incestuous nature of the relationship as they created the Sixes and is not happy about being his "mental porn." He admits that he is still seeing Caprica but does not mention Liam.

=== Act 2 ===

*Adama is once again inspecting a work area.
*In sick bay, an Eight, a Six, [[Tory Foster]], Tigh, and Tyrol are visiting Anders. Cottle tells them not to unplug anything. Ellen enters and says that this was "how it was" as she gently brushes Sam's cheek. The Six tells her that the others are considering jumping away and starting a new life with the Final Five. Tigh is incredulous at the suggestion that they abandon the fleet. The Eight says they are not safe there, mentioning the attack on [[Caprica-Six]]. Tory agrees, leading Tigh to accuse her of plotting this all along and argue that Sam could not survive on the baseship. The Eight disagrees, and Ellen tries to change the subject by saying "Caprica-Six is pregnant?" She argues with Tigh, but Tyrol says the two should stick to the matter at hand and argue in private. The Eight says they should have a binding vote as that is the way the Five taught the other Cylons. Tory and Tyrol vote to go, Tigh votes to stay and points out that is exactly what Sam said they should do before losing consciousness. Ellen abstains and walks out the door, leaving the Five deadlocked.
*Paulla leads Gaius and the others to [[Dogsville]]. Jeanne remarks on their improved living conditions since arming themselves. Gaius greets a beautiful young woman with a small boy. She says that her name is [[Naia]] and her son is named Gaius, and Baltar assumes the child was named after him, which pleases him but Naia said he was named after his father. Baltar smoothly but noticably segues into saying he is pleased that the child is named after his father. Gaius asks Gaius if he is hungry, to which the boy nods. Baltar makes a grand speech promising to feed all the people of Dogsville. Naia embraces him in gratitude, but Paulla is not happy about it.
*Roslin walks up to Caprica-Six in the corridors of ''Galactica''. She congratulates her on her pregnancy and personally apologizes for the assault in Dogsville. She mentions their shared visions, and Caprica says she has not had them since becoming pregnant. Laura says she has not either and asks if this child is "important." Caprica pretends to not know what she means stating that all children are important and walks off.
*Tyrol walks into [[Joe's Bar]] and orders a drink. Starbuck is there and remarks on how watching Ellen and Tigh felt like watching her parents make out. She asks Tyrol if he has visited Boomer in the brig. He says no. She suggests that he do so while she is sleeping, and says that she could no longer stand to watch Sam sleeping. Tyrol takes a bottle and walks out. Starbuck plays with the bullet removed from Sam's brain.

=== Act 3 ===

*Adama is inspecting the repairs yet again.
*Ellen walks into to Tigh's quarters and tells Caprica-Six they should talk. In explaining her relationship with Saul she lets it slip that they made love, and realizes from the look on Caprica's face that she did not know. Ellen tells her not to worry as their baby is living proof that Tigh loves her. Ellen remarks that they tried to have children earlier, implying that he does not love her as much, and reassures Caprica she will not make him choose between them.
*In Dogsville, Gaius and company are distributing food. Paulla makes a worried remark that when the Marines tried this a riot broke out, but Gaius states that here there are no uniforms, assault rifles or other symbols of oppression. A group of rough-looking men led by [[Enzo]] walk up to them and demands they surrender their food. Gaius defies him and asks his followers to show they are armed. When they nervously do so, Enzo replies "ours are bigger" and the strong-arm men pull out Colonial military sidearms. They take the food and walk away.
*Adama and Tigh are getting drunk. Adama has clearly had more and is constantly refilling his glass. He asks Tigh if there have been any "mythic revelations" since Ellen's return, to which Tigh replies "Nothing new to report, sir." Adama asks if Tigh was actually born on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Tigh nods. Adama states that is "not very machine-like" of him. Tigh jokingly defends his machinehood by saying his "great-grandpa was a power sander." They have a good laugh. Adama confesses to mixed feelings about using Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica'', fearing that she will no longer know who she is, but that combined with Cylons flying CAP, it might just be enough for the fleet to survive. He says that he needs the help of the Cylons in general and Tigh in particular, and Lee and Laura know it. Tigh has no response to this.
*Gaius dresses Paulla down for not telling him that the [[Sons of Ares]] have begun hoarding food. Paulla replies that this should have been obvious. Messenger Six appears and asks Gaius if he really wanted to feed those people, to which he replies that it felt good to help people. Six tells him to give his people the hope that Paulla can't. He proceeds to berate his followers for "lapping up Paulla's icy pragmatism." At Six's prompting he promises to get them "more guns, bigger guns, better guns!" The cultists are quite enthusiastic about the idea.

=== Act 4 ===

*Adama inspects the repairs, again.
*Ellen and Tigh meet alone. He tells her to hate him if she must but ''Galactica'' needs the [[Rebel Basestar]]. She ignores him, asking why he made love to her when his real love is at home. Tyrol and the others enter, leading Tigh to realize that this meeting was anything but private. Ellen says she has voted to join the baseship and they are leaving. Tigh refuses to leave, pointing out the millenia-long cycle of human/machine violence and claiming that only by coming together can either form of intelligence hope to survive. Ellen seems to gloat, pointing out to Caprica-Six that there is something he loves more than her and the baby, namely ''Galactica'' and Adama. Caprica grabs her stomach, groans and falls over.
*In sickbay, Cottle tells Tigh, Ellen and Caprica-Six that the baby is fighting back. Tigh blames Ellen, stating that she should have known what forcing him to choose would mean. She apologizes, saying she was only trying to hurt Saul and of course humans and Cylons should stay together. Caprica yells at them to stop fighting. Ellen walks away, but then walks back to put her hand on Saul's shoulders.
*Adama is once again inspecting the repairs.
*Ellen tells Tigh to talk to the now sleeping Caprica-Six and tell her that he loves her. He tries, but is unable to and asks why he should have to say it when she knows he feels it for all of them.
*Adama is still inspecting the repairs.
*[[Liam]]'s heart rate drops. Caprica-Six begs Cottle to cut him out of her, even if it means her death. Cottle refuses, stating that not even a Cylon baby could possibly survive outside the womb after only four months. Ellen tells her that Tigh loves her more and promises to go to the basestar so that the three of them can be a family. Liam flatlines. Tigh says that it is his fault and he is sorry. Cottle shoos them away. Caprica cries the cry of the bereaved mother.
*Gaius is talking to Lee, Roslin and Adama. Adama refuses to listen at first, saying that he is going to the head for a "project I've been working on." Gaius stops him, warning him that the decreased security in Dogsville resulting from losing so many Marines during the mutiny is causing a revolution to brew. He states that Adama has two options for stopping it. He can either bring Centurions over from the baseship or take the "last human solution" that Baltar is offering him.
*Apparently Adama has agreed to arm Baltar's cultists as some kind of auxiliary security force, as the Marines are passing out assault rifles to them. Paulla is impressed. Gaius clearly has no idea how a rifle works.
*Tyrol comes to visit Boomer in the brig while she is sleeping.
*In sick bay Sam's brain waves suddenly become very active.
*Tigh enters Adama's quarters weeping uncontrollably and nearly collapses. Adama says that Liam is a good name, short for William. Tigh says that "it's not like [[Zak Adama|Zak]]." Adama embraces and comforts him.
*Roslin and Adama are walking arm in arm through the [[Memorial hallway]]. Laura notices a Six putting up pictures of the Cylons who have been lost since joining the Fleet. Laura is taken aback, stating "Oh my Gods, it's already happening isn't it?"
*Adama touches the ID of an Eight.

== Notes ==

*[[Joe's Bar]] now has a piano.
*The rebel Cylons have now taken to putting up photos in the [[Memorial hallway]] of those who have died since the start of the alliance.
*Baltar's [[Messenger Six]] appears for the first time since "[[Escape Velocity]]", discounting a deleted farewell scene from "[[The Road Less Traveled]]" (included on the DVD release) that now appears to be moot.
*More so than previous episodes, "Deadlock" establishes that the rebel Cylons now have freedom of movement, at least aboard Galactica, with [[Caprica-Six]] seen visiting [[Dogsville]] (for reasons unknown), another Six in the Memorial Hallway, and assorted others working or performing flight duties.
*Roslin addresses Caprica by her name for the first time.
**This casts doubt on the canonicity of the bonus scene for "[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries#Bonus Scene|Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]".
*The Cylon practice of democracy by majority rule came from the Final Five.

== Analysis ==

*Cylon pilots have begun participating in the CAP with [[Heavy Raider]]s, presumably because of a shortage of Colonial pilots. As explained by [[Ronald D. Moore]] in his [[Podcast:Deadlock#Act_3|podcast for this episode]], surviving mutineers (including numerous pilots) were imprisoned on the [[Astral Queen]].
*Foster's plan to rebuild a pure Cylon society seems ill-considered even in light of the unborn Tigh baby. There is no evidence that pairings of Number Twos with Number Sixes or Number Eights will suddenly be fertile after so many failures. All the pregnancy really proves is that the Final Five could reproduce with Twos, Sixes, and Eights, which is hardly a broad genetic base.
*In this episode, Ellen Tigh shows more characteristics of the "old Ellen", though she is still more intelligent and compassionate. Adama [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down|once said]] that Ellen brings out Saul's worst instincts; obviously the reverse is also true.
*After [[Ellen Tigh]] exits the [[Raptor]], she meets with [[William Adama]], [[Lee Adama]], [[Laura Roslin]], and [[Saul Tigh]] just like she did after she exited a Raptor in [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]].

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

*Are the Cylons now flying regular joint CAPs with ''Galactica'''s vipers? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me#Analysis|Answer]])
*Has Sharon "Boomer" Valerii genuinely under her own free will defected with Ellen Tigh from Cavil or is she part of a plot by Cavil either voluntarily under her own free will or programmed? Alternately is she a dupe under her own free will but Cavil knowing how the Eight model acts and Sharon Valerii in particular so well he manipulated her in to "escaping" with Ellen for his own purposes? Is she working for a third party? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me#Analysis|Answer]])
*What will happen to Boomer? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
*Will Caprica seek revenge on Ellen for the death of her unborn child? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
*How will the death of Liam affect Ellen and Saul's relationship? How will it affect Saul and Caprica's relationship? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
*How did Ellen Tigh and Sharon "Boomer" Valerii find the Fleet? Is Cavil tracking them? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Possible Answer]])
**Most probably Cavil knows the location of the Fleet and had sent Boomer. Cavil did not attack the Fleet himself as no resurrection hub is online at the moment and he fears death.
*Why was Tyrol so eager to leave the Fleet? ([[Deadlock#Official Statements|Answer]])
*What has happened to Karl Agathon? Is he still recovering from his injuries received in [[The Oath]]? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
*How close will the Cylon and Colonial pilots become now that they fly together? Will the Cylon pilots receive callsigns? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
*Why has Baltar's Messenger Six returned after a long absence? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

*What will be the consequences of Baltar's cult being given access to weapons?
*How did the Cylons imagine they could take Anders aboard their Baseship without Thrace's approval?
*Why has Anders' brain suddenly started showing activity again? What is his exact condition? Does he still possess his Cylon memories?
*What was the biological cause of Liam's death?
*Is Tyrol able to identify the Eight piloting the Raptor as Boomer due to his personal experience with her, or by the previously demonstrated ability of Cylons to distinguish between copies by sight?
*Who has been placing photographs of Cylons on the memorial wall? Other Cylons, Colonials or both?
*Will any of the humans object to the Cylon pictures?
*Just how close were the Final Five in their former lives?
*How many Cylon practices come from the Final Five? For example, the Cylons have been shown to accepting of nudity and sexual threesomes.
*Why was Caprica visiting Dogville?
*Although previous episodes have had Roslin basing herself aboard ''Galactica'' due to her health issue, beginning with this episode it is made clear that her "flag" so to speak, as well as the new Quorum's, is now aboard ''Galactica''. Given the precedent set back in the Miniseries, shouldn't ''Galactica'' now carry the call sign ''[[Colonial One]]''?
*Does Saul still see Caprica as Ellen?
*What are the legal ramifications of Ellen's [[Resurrection]]?

== Official Statements ==

*Aaron Douglas addresses the Chief's vote on his livejournal community<ref> http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/150842.html?thread=972858 </ref>:*Galen does not believe that he and the other Cylons will ever be accepted in the fleet.
**He is the Chief in name only, because Adama asked him to be. This was a recognition of the fact that he is the best person to fix the ship, not true acceptance.
**He has no strong emotional ties to ''Galactica'''s people now that he knows Nicky isn't his son.
*In the Podcast for this episode, RDM mentions that the remaining mutineers (Racetrack, Skulls, etc) were deported to the prison ship the ''[[Astral Queen]]''.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Upon seeing Ellen Tigh emerge from the Raptor:''

:[[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] (with Starbuck standing right next to him): How many dead chicks are out there?

*''Tyrol examines Boomer for a moment before figuring out who she is''

:[[Galen Tyrol]] (to Boomer): Nice to see you (she smiles; to Adama) This is Boomer.
:Adama: Marines!
:Marine: Sir!
:Adama: Take this Number Eight to the brig!

*''Dr. Cottle remarking to Tory, Tyrol, a Number Six and a Number Eight gathered around Anders's bedside in vigil:''

:[[Cottle]]: Lot of visitors. Just don't anybody unplug anything!

*''Baltar is in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Delegate Lee Adama, and President Roslin. Baltar is urging the Admiral to allow his followers to be armed to do the distribution of food and to keep order and other police work instead of having, eventually, inviting over Cylon Centurions to maintain order and security.''

:Adama (taking to Lee and Roslin): The two of you can stay here listening to this

:Roslin Where are you going?

:Adama: I'm gonna go to the head. Do something constructive. A little project I've been working on.

:Baltar: Listen to me. Admiral!

:Lee (to his father softly, respectfully, but insistently) Just wait...wait (Lee turns to Baltar) Explain what you mean.

:Baltar: What you have right now are starving civilians, (looks down at Roslin) with no representation, no recourse. (looks back to Lee) They're broken, they're exhausted. They've had enough. That is not a mutiny Admiral, that is a revolution.

:Lee: And you think you can maintain order...?

:Baltar (directly to the Admiral who is walking by him): Listen to me! Listen.... '''PLEASE ADMIRAL!''' (Adama stops at the doorway and faces Baltar)

:Baltar: Galactica is slipping away from you, drop by drop. You are pouring Cylon blood into her veins. I see the Cylon pilots (turns to Lee and Roslin) We all see them! (turns back to Adama) We all see the Cylon work force. Where they're going into the far recesses of the ship? When are you inviting the Centurions over, to join in all the fun we're having over here? Of course when you do that, that very moment. this becomes a blended ship. Only half human. And right now I am here to tell you your people...(pauses and then looks over to Roslin).....your people, are not ready for that.

:(looks back to Adama who makes a move to walk out but Baltar catches his arm. Adama looks down and slowly looks up at Baltar but he isn't intimidated)

:Baltar: I am offering you the last human solution you will be ever presented with.

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Roark Critchlow]] as [[Slick]] (credited as Piano Player)
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
*[[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
*[[G. Patrick Currie]] as [[Enzo]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
*[[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
*[[Rebecca Davis]] as [[Naia]]
*[[Merwin Mondesir]] as Marine #1
*[[Tammy Gillis]] played Marine #2
*[[Bear McCreary]] as [[Joe's bar]] patron (uncredited)
*Unknown as Marine [[Nathanson]]
*[[Patrick Gilmore]] as [[Rafferty]]

== References ==
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== Episode Title Confirmation ==

Please submit the source of this episode title's name in the article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:The source is (kinda) noted in the article: [http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2008/05/angeli-also-rises.html] -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

==What was that device Roslin and Leoben were using to communicate with the rest of the Fleet?==
Best guess its a part from the Commsystem of Starbucks Viper that was capable of receiving the homing signal from earth, that noone else could receive. We saw Starbuck and Leoben track down the signal on earth so they probably removed it from the Viper and had it with them. Given Starbucks reaction to finding her body and everyone else being told nothing had been found, it imaginable that Leoben simply kept it, as noone else was bothering about it. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 23:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:I tend to think otherwise, because
:*that equipment from the super-clean Viper would be a receiver, not a transmitter,
:*Tyrol and Anders comment that something is different about the super-clean Viper, and that could possibly include the special receiver that was not in the wreckage of Kara's Viper from "Maelstrom", and
:*the Cylons probably have much more advanced countermeasures; after all, they forced the Colonials to abandon networks, esp the wireless variety, didn't they?
-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 02:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== FTL room damage ==

Am I the only one who thinks the damage Tyrol finds looks like giant scratch marks? [[User:nuxi|nuxi]]
:That was my initial reaction as well. Raptors! I guess we'll find out soon... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::Isn't that the same damage Adama found in his quartes in the clip shown in that YouWillKnowTheTruth site??? It looks the same!! [[User:Tanketai|tanketai]] 15:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree. I'm leaning towards cumulative metal fatigue ... the old gal's been through a lot a pit stop, after all.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 02:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Some symbolism ==

The symbolism of Colonial One landing on Galactica is an indication of the authocratic leadership that is taking place. A merging of politics and military is akin to the German's "Night of the Long Knives" in 1934. On that night (two days actually) Hitler began the consolidation of his power with the military by assassinating both political and paramilitary threats. -- [[User:Hufnmouth|Hufnmouth]] 15:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Is someone going to finish adding the rest of the summary? ==

The summary is running rather late. Is someone going to finish it? I certainly don't want to be the one who has to do that (doing the Teaser was long enough). {{unsigned|GreenDalek}}
:I think Spencerian often does it, but it's not really assigned to any particular person (that I'm aware of). If it drives you too crazy, feel free to continue your [[BW:BOLD|"boldness"]], otherwise, I'm sure somebody will step up to the plate... eventually. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I think I may just cut and pace stuff from patriot resources if no one's going to do this. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 23:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Please, do '''not''' merely copy and paste from other websites. Please write it on your own. Thank you! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::: I've just created a new account (for the purposes of editing), but I've been a longtime reader of this wiki, so I'd love to take a crack at it if no one has any objections. --[[User:LawNinja|LawNinja]] 2:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Make it so. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Looks great so far. Glad to have another inmate to run the asylum. (It really is a free for all here, and just about everything is fair game to those who care to seize the edits.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Thank you. Everything's good now! -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 17:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Great job! Sorry, I did often jump in to doing these, but I was ill all this weekend--and I didn't want to "bogart" the episode guides and let someone else take a stab. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== 35 Ships ==

I find it hard to believe that Gaeta's quote, 10 ships out of 35 is in reference to the entire fleet. That means half the fleets ships are gone, which doesn't jive with the number of people still alive OR onscreen destructions. If I'm not mistaken we've seen less than 10 ships destroyed on screen (Pixis, the Rising Star and 2-3 others, I think there were 3 lost in The Passage).

Since Gaeta doesn't definitively say anything that would indicate that 35 ships is nothing more than a statistic of some kind, and not necessarily the entire fleet, I'm going to remove that note from the Analysis section unless someone objects.[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:I always assumed a number of ships did not make it off of the surface of new caprica, and this was the reason people were living in the galactica's starboard hangar deck. If this is the case, 35 doesn't seem too few.{{unsigned|Dogspunk}}

== No New Quorum? ==

An interesting statement by RDM in the podcast for this ep:
"And the end of the Quorum. Really just- I mean, now we're really moving into the endgames of the- endgame of the entire series. I mean- we began the series without a Quorum and we're ending the series without a Quorum. " Not sure if that's definitive or not, but maybe worth noting? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Zarek's Joke ==

As Tom Zarek is escorted from the flight deck, we hear the ending of a joke that he is telling to Racetrack:
" . . . shall we save the kids? And the attorney says, 'Frak them'. And the priest says, 'Do we have time?' "

After both laugh, Racetrack says, "You're gross."
-- [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 18:43, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

* Since you've linked this section of the talk page in both "[[Blood on the Scales]]" and the "[[Religion of the Twelve Colonies (RDM)]]" articles, this should go in the "Noteworthy Quotes" section of the article, really. It's typically not a good idea to link to talk pages, since they can be archived and thus the links invalidated. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:09, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
*Done, and thanks for the tip. I wanted you to know that I struggled with NPOV on this one. I am not trying to condemn the Church or disparage the seriousness of allegations against it, or spark a debate here; this is a tragic and complicated issue. I just though it interesting to note the similarity between Colonial culture and ours. I first considered the joke an anachronism, but as I was writing up the Note, I decided that any large organization (religious, military, government) would have at least a few bad apples and that Colonial culture (like ours) might put other members under a cloud of suspicion because of the actions of a few. -- [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 07:55, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)

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:''This article discusses the religion of the Colonies as seen in the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For summary information on the Kobollian religion from the [[Original Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)]].''
:''For information on the various mythologies used in ''Battlestar Galactica'', see [[Mythological references]].''

{{RDM twelve colonies series}}

The dominant '''religion of the Twelve Colonies''', which the various characters of ''Battlestar Galactica'' practice to greater or lesser extent, is a [[Wikipedia:polytheism|polytheistic]] faith<ref>The Colonial deities are very similar to the [[Wikipedia:Greek mythology|Olympic gods]] of Greek mythology on the real-world Earth.</ref> with a strong emphasis on the philosophy of [[Wikipedia:Eternal return|eternal return]]. There is a several variations of this faith practiced by different groups.

==Origin==
[[Image:Pythia.jpg|right|thumb|A portion of the Sacred Scrolls, specifically, a portion of the Book of [[Pythia]].]]
The eternal-return aspect between the peoples of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] suggest a parallel or reverse-origin with humanity as a whole, or the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] that presumably populated it. See [[History of the Twelve Colonies]] for more analysis.

In the burial scene of the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] states, "Life here began out there,<ref>This phrase is a homage to the [[Original Series]], where each episode began with this phrase in a voice-over introduction.</ref>" reminding the assembly that this was the first line of the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the principle religious tome of the Colonial faith, told to them by the Lords Of Kobol many centuries ago.
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==Belief==
===The Lords of Kobol===
Colonial religion is centered on the Lords of Kobol. In the Re-imagined Series and ''Caprica'', eleven Lords of Kobol have been positively identified:
* [[Zeus]] - The leader of the Lords. [[Tom Zarek]] has twice referred to [[William Adama|Bill Adama]] as "Zeus" ("[[Bastille Day]]", "[[The Farm]]", as a play on [[Lee Adama]]'s callsign).
* [[Aphrodite]] - The lady of love and sexuality. Kara Thrace prays often to this Lord ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
* [[Apollo, Lord of Kobol|Apollo]] - Zeus' son, said to be the lord of the hunt and of healing ([[Bastille Day]]).
* [[Ares]] - The lord of war. The [[Nicholas Tyrol|infant son]] of [[Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] is [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to this Lord of Kobol ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).
* [[Artemis]] - Twin sister of Apollo, lady of the hunt. [[Kara Thrace]] prays often to this Lord ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
* [[Asclepius]] - The lord of healing ([[Escape Velocity]]).
* [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Athena]] - This lord committed suicide "out of despair over the exodus of the thirteen tribes" ([[Home, Part II]]). Her [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] holds a map to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).
* [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn]] ([[Maelstrom]])<ref>Aurora is the Roman counterpart of the Greek [[w:Eos|Eos]]. Eos is one of the [[w:Titans (mythology)|Titans]]. Since the Lords of Kobol are modeled after the [[w:Twelve Olympians|Twelve Olympians]] however, this could indicate that she is not one of the Lords, but belongs to another group of deities.</ref>.
*[[Hecate]] - Shapechanging goddess of the underworld ([[Caprica pilot]]).
* [[Hera, Lord of Kobol|Hera]] - Wife of Zeus. A [[Gates of Hera|mountain ridge]] on Kobol is named after her ([[Home, Part II]]), and the [[Hera Agathon|first Cylon/human hybrid child]] is named for this lord ([[Downloaded]]).
* [[Poseidon]] - [[Gaius Baltar]] mentions this deity in a conversation with [[Tracey Anne]] ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). Deckhand [[Brooks (RDM)|Brooks]] also prays to this lord. ([[The Face of the Enemy]])

The Colonials appear to use multiple names for their lords, interchanging "Mars" for "Ares", "Jupiter" for "Zeus", and so on.<ref>Curiously, [[Laura Roslin]] mentions that the 134th day of the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]] is Mars Day ([[Occupation]]), suggesting that Ares may also be called by his alternate Roman pantheon's name. The same happens again in "[[The Passage]]" when Zeus is referred to by the name of his Roman counterpart Jupiter.</ref>

====Afterlife====
Believers think that they will go to [[Fields of Elysium]] after death if they led a good life ([[Faith]]). <ref>This is clearly a direct parallel to the ancient Greek [[w:Elysium|Elysian Fields]], the part of the [[w:Hades|underworld]] corresponding to "heaven". The visual image of a ferry crossing a river also parallels the river [[w:Styx|Styx]].</ref>

==== Paradise Lost ====
According to the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the gods once shared a paradise-like existence with the people of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. Later circumstances forced the exodus of the human population of Kobol to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] and [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and lead to Athena's suicide.

The existence of the Lords of Kobol is attested to by the survival of numerous artifacts, including the [[Arrow of Apollo]], the [[Tomb of Athena]] and the [[Gates of Hera]]. However, although she accepts their historic authenticity, [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]], a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], questions their actual divinity.<ref>There is a notion in fan circles that there are twelve lords of Kobol, by analogy to the twelve Cylon models, twelve Colonies, and perhaps the [[w:Twelve Olympians|Twelve Olympians]] of Greek mythology. A post from [[Ron D. Moore]]'s blog [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/03/index.html#a000023 on March 12, 2005] loosely alludes on this coincidence, but further official sourcing has not been revealed.</ref>

====The Jealous God====
[[Elosha]] states that the exodus from Kobol was precipitated when "one jealous god began to desire that he be elevated above all the other gods, and the war on Kobol began."<ref>From a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]] cut from the episode "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]".</ref> This figure may be related to or identical with "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|the one whose name cannot be spoken]]", whose [[Temple of Five|temple]] is discovered in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]".

====The Path of Olympus====
[[Tom Zarek]] conveys to [[Laura Roslin]] and her [[Laura Roslin faction|followers]] the news that Commander [[William Adama]] had resumed command of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' after the attempt on his life by saying: "Zeus has returned to '''Olympus'''" ([[The Farm]]).<ref>In Greek mythology, the home of the gods on Earth resided high atop Greece's highest mountain, Mount Olympus, at a time where access to the mountain summit would be almost impossible with the inhabitants' technology of that age.</ref> By Zarek's comment we can infer that Colonial religion appears to acknowledge the existence of a place called Olympus. It cannot yet be determined, however, if Olympus was thought of as the residence of the gods at a specific physical or ''metaphysical'' location of Kobol, as there has been no mention of Olympus elsewhere in the series. If Olympus is a metaphysical locale, this may contradict [[Elosha]]'s comment that the gods and man lived on Kobol together in harmony. On the other hand, according to the ancient Greek poem ''[[w:Theogony|Theogony]]'' by Hesiod, the gods lived together with humankind until Prometheus' deception at Mecone, after which they dwelt exclusively on mount Olympus and humans exclusively on Earth. Perhaps, then, some transgression caused the Lords of Kobol and humankind to part paths.

===Other Mythological Names in Colonial Culture===
Various items have been identified which are apparently named after other gods and legendary figures of their faith, although these have not been explicitly identified as Lords of Kobol.

:''See main article: [[Mythological references]]''

===The Cycle of Time===

''"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."''<ref>In a short talk he gave before a screening of "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Ron Moore revealed that he "stole" the line from the introduction of the Disney animated version of ''[[w:Peter Pan|Peter Pan]]'' (lecture [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9op6PC03LRA part 1] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-9NglSNG0 part 2]).</ref>

According to [[Gaius Baltar]], this line from the [[Pythia]]n prophecy is very well known ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). [[Laura Roslin]] later expands on it, reminding [[Kara Thrace]],

<blockquote>"If you believe in the gods, then you believe in the cycle of time that we are all playing our parts in a story that is told again, and again, and again throughout eternity" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).</blockquote>

Various events throughout the series have led some characters to believe that they are playing out another turn of this cycle<ref>The notion of a circular progression of time (also known as [[w:eternal return|eternal return]] or eternal recurrence) is a common theme in other faiths, particularly [[w:Maya#Religion|Mayan]] mythology and is a cornerstone of the Hindu and Buddhist faiths. Moreover, [[w:Stoic|Stoic]] philosophy did believe in the concept of ''ekpyrosis'', the fire which consumes the old world and signals the birth of a new world, identical to the old, for a recurring cycle of birth, death and rebirth.</ref>. (see [[Sacred Scrolls]] for more detailed analysis).

===Sanctity of Life===
According to the Sacred Scrolls, abortion is "an abomination in the eyes of the Gods". The more fundamentalist [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]] strictly adhere to this commandment, however the more secular Colonies such as Caprica apparently do not follow this as strictly: officially, Colonies-wide Federal law guaranteed a woman the right to an abortion, at least at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

==Individual Practice==
The Colonials display a wide spectrum of religious practice, ranging from [[Billy Keikeya]]'s atheism ([[Home, Part II]], [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Home, Part II|cut scene]]) to Corporal [[Venner]]'s literalistic readings of the Sacred Scrolls.

While not fully explained in the Re-imagined Series, it appears, based on the information from a [[dedication ceremony]] for [[Nicholas Tyrol]] and the prayers of [[Kara Thrace]], that each Colonial is paired, or "placed in the service" with one or more of the Lords. Based on the dedication ceremony blessing, Zeus is a considered "almighty" or foremost of the gods, while other Lords are prayed to by Colonials as a proxy to Zeus.<ref>This practice is similar to a Catholic practice of prayer to Mary, mother of Jesus. While Mary is a human, followers believe that, by praying to Mary, she can intercede to aid the acceptance of the prayer by the [[w:Trinity|Trinity]], the godhead of the Catholic faith.</ref>

===Artifacts===
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Despite Gemenon's fundamentalist climate, the city of [[Delphi]] on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] was apparently of a mind to store an important religious artifact, the [[Arrow of Apollo]], in a [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies|museum]], rather than a devotional institution ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

Ancient temples may be also be the repository of special artifacts such as the [[Eye of Jupiter]], believed to be stored inside the legendary [[Temple of Five]] ("[[Rapture]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]").
 

===Confession===
At least some sects of the Colonial religion practice the concept of absolution of sins through confession. Brothers, and presumably priests as well, may hear confessions as demonstrated by [[Brother Cavil]] agreeing to hear Anders' confession ([[The Plan]]). It is not known if this practice is uniform throughout the Colonial religion or limited to certain sects.

A confession begins with the confessor saying, "Bless me, Brother, for I have acted against the example of the Gods." The Brother or Priest will then say, "Proceed in the name of the Gods," and after hearing the confession, they will end by saying, "You are absolved in the example of the Gods."

===Dress===
[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Oracle Selloi.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The robes of [[Dodona Selloi]] ([[Exodus, Part I]])]]
As seen by the various [[Laura Roslin faction|separatists]] orbiting Kobol in "[[Home, Part I]]", it appears that many Colonials have clothing that suggests a religious deference. In the scene, one older, white-bearded gentleman is dressed in simple colored robes and a round, flat head covering<ref>These robes may remind viewers of the tradition dress of Hasidic Jews, Islamic clerics, or Eastern Orthodox clerics of the real-world Earth.</ref> Other distinctive dress styles of other characters in the scene increase the sense of the dedication of religion in the Gemenese people (which appear to comprise the majority of Roslin's separatists).

The [[oracle]] [[Dodona Selloi]] dresses in a turban and robes, suggesting a special role in Colonial society or its religious hierarchy ([[Exodus, Part I]]).
 

===Idols===
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At the end of the episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Kara Thrace, a devotee of Artemis and Aphrodite (as stated by [[Leoben Conoy]] in the same episode), prays to them on Conoy's behalf using figurines that bear a similarity to classic representations of Artemis and Athena. Artemis is depicted with her bow and arrow, and Athena with her helmet of war.

When visting the oracle [[Yolanda Brenn]], Thrace receives a figurine of the goddess [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]] as a gift ([[Maelstrom]]).
 

===Prayer===
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Some prisoners on the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' seeking rehabilitation have turned to group prayer.
They greet Laura Roslin as a prophet and she provides them with a blessing ([[The Farm]]).

Priest [[Elosha]] sings a group prayer in a [[Service for the dead]] after the Fleet escapes from the initial Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]).<ref>The language she sings is [[w:Sanskrit|Sanskrit]], a classical language of real-world Earth's Hindu/Indian peoples. More about the verses that she sings and their meaning can be found in the [[Language in the Twelve Colonies#Liturgy|Language in the Twelve Colonies]] article.</ref> The priest also gives a prayer after ''[[Colonial One]]'' is boarded by Commander Adama's troops to remove Roslin from power ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

A chaplain delivered a simple prayer at the funeral of [[Zak Adama]], two years prior to the fall of the Colonies ([[Act of Contrition]])<ref>The prayer's mention of committing a "body to the ground from which we were all made" echoes the Biblical passage of [http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis3.htm Genesis 3:19]:'''
:"By the sweat of your brow
:you will eat your food
:until you return to the ground,
:since from it you were taken;
:for dust you are
:and to dust you will return."</ref>:

<blockquote>"The burdens of this life are with us but a short time. For Lieutenant Zak Adama, son of [[William Adama|William]] and [[Carolanne Adama]], brother of [[Lee Adama|Lee]], the time was too short, but we take comfort in knowing his life was willingly given in service to all of us. We honor them for that. And thus, it falls upon us to repent our sins and with the help of the Lords of Kobol, make our own lives worthy of that gift. And now, we commit his body to the ground from which we were all made."</blockquote>

Corporal [[Venner]] asks [[Laura Roslin]] to join him in a simple prayer while ''Galactica'' is attacked as it desperately tries to find its Fleet ([[Scattered]]).
<blockquote>''(To Roslin:)'' Will you pray with me? ''(He begins:)'' Help us, Lords of Kobol. Help your prophet Laura guide us to the path of righteousness. That we might-- that we might destroy our enemies. Let us walk the path of righteousness and lift our faces unto your goodness. Help us turn away from the calls of the wicked and show us the knowledge of your certain salvation. We offer this prayer.</blockquote>

Prayer is also seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|Season 3 webisode series]] in a temple (where prayers are written and then burned before an idol), and by [[Kara Thrace]] ([[Miniseries]], "[[Flesh and Bone]]"). 
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===Rosaries===
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As [[Laura Roslin]] begins to suffer from [[chamalla]] withdrawal in ''Galactica'''s brig, Corporal Venner, a [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]], anxiously clutches a set of white prayer beads ([[Fragged]]).
 

===[[Temple]]===
[[Image:Resistance - Webisode 4.jpg|thumb|[[Nora Farmer|Nora]] and [[Cally Tyrol]] pray in a temple on [[New Caprica]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 4|Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance - Episode 4]]).]]

Temples may have been more elaborate places on the Twelve Colonies, but the spaceborne remnants of humanity presumably use any space they can find on their ships to form a basic temple. As seen on [[New Caprica]], a basic temple may consist of a simple altar with candles, idols of the Lords of Kobol, and what meager offerings the Colonials can give as a [[w:tithe|tithe]]. Some prayers are written on paper and burned ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

The temple on New Caprica was known as the Temple of Artemis ([[Collaborators]]), suggesting that temples are dedicated to a Lord or Lords, and may be related to the pairing of Colonials to a specific set of Lords at their dedication ceremony.

A similar arrangement to temple is found in an [[Yolanda Brenn|oracle camp]] ([[Maelstrom]]).

A room used for religious services on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is referred to as a temple ([[Escape Velocity]]).
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===Sagittaron beliefs===
Orthodox [[Sagittaron#Culture|Sagittaron beliefs]] are more anachronistic than the Gemenese's, believing that the mind and body are myths, and that medicine is "an abomination, a sin against the Gods". Sagittarons also blame physicians for the spread of disease due to their ignorance of the aforementioned "myth" of the body and mind. They traditionally do not believe in violence, even to the point of not aiding the [[New Caprica Resistance]] in their fight against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation of [[New Caprica]] ([[The Woman King]]).

===Other minority beliefs===

A small minority of the Colonials were secretly [[God (RDM)|monothiests]]. While it is not clear if such worship was still in practice in modern Colonial times up to the Cylon holocaust, an [[Temple of Five|unusual temple]] found on a [[Algae planet|remote planet]] suggests that monotheism was prevalent in the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]].

After the [[Second Exodus]], [[Gaius Baltar]] later founds [[Cult of Baltar|a monotheistic cult]] that finds itself in conflict with the established faiths. Baltar's faith comes into direct, violent conflict with the [[Sons of Ares]] as well as the general Colonial polythiests. [[Mithraism]] is also noted in practice ([[Escape Velocity]])

==The Clergy==
The religious and government bodies of the Twelve Colonies work together. This association is likely based on the religious homogeneity of the Colonies.<ref>This differs from the United States, whose government is based on religious tolerance through the separation of religious practice and legislature. While the real-world Earth has many, many religions, the Twelve Colonies, as yet, appear to have only one religion and as such does not suffer greatly from schisms or other religious factions, although colonists such as the Gemenese show a different emphasis on how they interpret the religious writings.</ref>

===Priests/Priestesses===
[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Collaborators - Priest.jpg|right|thumb|A male [[Unnamed characters (RDM)#Priest|priest]]. ([[Collaborators]]).]]
[[Image:Elosha1.jpg|thumb|left|Elosha, priestess and friend of President Roslin. ([[Home, Part I]])]]
[[Laura Roslin]] [[Case Orange|is sworn into the presidency]] by a priestess<ref>In "[[Blood on the Scales]]", Baltar refers to Elosha as "the ''Priestess'' Elosha", indicating that women priests have a femanine title</ref>, [[Elosha]], who continues on in an advisory capacity within Roslin's administration. Priests also preside over military funerals, without regard for the beliefs of the deceased.

Priests in the Twelve Colonies are apparently not required to practice celibacy, and can be male or female. Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] states that his father was a priest and his mother an oracle ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).<ref>Galen Tyrol's information may be skewed by the revelation that he himself is a Cylon ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).</ref>

According to [[Billy Keikeya]], some priests use [[chamalla]] for its hallucinogenic properties. The prescient dreams it imparted to Laura Roslin may imply the use of something similar by [[Pythia]], an ancient prophet. [[Oracle]]s also use the drug.
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===Brothers===
[[Image:Cyca2.jpg|left|thumb|The false Brother [[Cavil]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).]]
The term ''Brother'' is used as a title for male members of the clergy, although it is not fully apparent whether this role is similar to that of a [[w:Monk|monk]] or [[w:Deacon|deacon]].

As with priests, a brother offers consultation and leads prayer.

The only instance of this clergy is Brother [[Cavil]], who offers guidance to Chief Tyrol.

Cavil, however, is revealed as a [[humanoid Cylon]] some time later. Because of Cavil's nature, there may be doubt as to whether Cavil is a useful example of the work of a Brother in Colonial religion.

It is probable that Brothers are lay clergy (unlike priests and oracles, who appear to have political status as well as their religious status).

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===Sisters===
[[Image:Tivenan.jpg|right|thumb|Sister Tivenan (right) at a [[dedication ceremony]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance: Episode 10]])]]
As with Brothers in the clergy, there are ''Sisters'' as well.

Sister [[Tivenan]] is briefly seen tending to business in the temple on [[New Caprica]], guiding prayer and officiating a [[dedication ceremony]] for the [[Nicholas Tyrol|newborn son]] of [[Galen Tyrol|Galen]] and [[Cally Tyrol]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

It is probable that Sisters, like Brothers, are lay clergy.
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===Oracles===
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[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Oracle Selloi.jpg|left|thumb|The oracle [[Dodona Selloi]] ([[Exodus, Part I]]).]]
[[Image:S3 oraclebrenn low.jpg|right|thumb|The oracle [[Yolanda Brenn]] ([[Maelstrom]]).]]
There is little information as to the religious functions of ''oracles''. [[Dodona Selloi]] is one of two oracles seen in the Re-imagined Series. She confirms the dreams of a copy of [[Number Three]] and the existence of [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]. It is not clear if Selloi is sitting in a tent designated as a temple, but there are numerous ornate or curious inscriptions surrounding and inside her tent that suggest the significance of the oracle's tent or her presence. A second oracle, [[Yolanda Brenn]], gives counsel to [[Kara Thrace]] on her strange dreams aboard ''Galactica'' ([[Maelstrom]]).

Priests and oracles may assume their roles due to an personal, possibly inherited affinity to sense spiritual changes or conditions. [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Final Five|believed to be the son of a priest and oracle]], detects the presence of and finds the [[Temple of Five]] alone, based only on his senses, apparently detecting the hidden temple on the otherwise-unremarkable (and undocumented) [[algae planet]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). However, it is revealed later that he is in fact a humanoid Cylon, one of the ([[Final Five]]), and had visited the site before.
 

== A Cylon Connection ==
:''Main article: [[Cylon Religion]]''
:''See Also: [[The Destiny]], [[Final Five]], [[Temple of Five]]''

While humanoid Cylons show a strict, firm belief in a monotheistic [[God (RDM)|God]], referring to the Lords of Kobol as "false idols," a connection between the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol may exist. In "[[Exodus, Part I]]", an [[Selloi|oracle]] tells [[Number Three]] (who has a ''dream'' of the oracle's tent and of holding the believed-dead hybrid child [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]) that she has a message from the one that Number Three worships. This poses the question how an oracle of the Lords of Kobol be able to hear the messages of the Cylon God.

A Kobollian god(s) was separated from the others, per a deleted scene about a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Jealous God|jealous god]].

The [[Temple of Five]], which a [[Number Three]] uses to visualize the identities of the [[Final Five]]) was not built for the Cylons (who were not created until 4,000 years later) but for humans. The Temple, according to the Sacred Scrolls, was built for five priests who worshiped "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]". It is not clear if this was the spurned "jealous god" or another fallen member of the Lords of Kobol. No further information on the connection between the Cylon and Colonial religions in regards to the Temple of Five is revealed as of the end of Season 3.<ref>While the notion of a fallen Lord is speculative in the Re-imagined Series, there is already a parallel series of characters from the [[Original Series]]: The [[Beings of Light]] and their fallen member, [[Iblis]]. [[Ron D. Moore]], however, has stated in several interviews that he was not planning to use this Original Series concept in the Re-imagined Series.</ref>

[[Kara Thrace]] realizes her [[The Destiny|destiny]], first from the words of a [[Leoben Conoy]] model, and later, in a type of dream, through an [[Messenger Leoben|entity that took the likeness of Leoben]], but was not a Cylon. From death, Thrace [[Crossroads, Part II|returns]] to the Fleet, not as an illusion, but resurrected -- something that, prior to Thrace, only a humanoid Cylon could do.

== Notes ==
In a podcast, RDM mentioned that it was intended that there would be many sectarian divisions and religious denominations within colonial society, ranging from a Hellenic-style Cult of Athena to more Buddhist and Hindu forms of worship, and including monotheistic minorities. Mithraism is presumably one such minority belief, similar to the real-life minority Mithraic religion of Roman times. This diversity was not fully shown due to time constraints, but would later be made more apparent in Caprica.

It seems that Colonial society protects freedom of worship and encourages religious diversity to some degree. However, certain monotheistic organisations such as the [[Soldiers of the One]] and the [[Cult of Baltar]] are strongly anti-polytheistic, and some devout polytheists such as [[Jordan Duram]] take strong exception to the doctrine of monotheism.

The Tauron Funeral Rite as seen in Caprica mirrors the Ancient Greek rite of placing a coin on the head of the dead for the Charon, the ferryman who took the souls of the dead across the Rivers Styx and Acheron to The Underworld. The idea of eternal return "all of this has happened before, and will happen again" is strongly present in many forms of Hinduism, which see the universe as cyclical. The use of oracles and icons of deities reflects many historical Indo-European religions from Ancient Greek to Hindu, as well as different shamanistic practices. Additionally the priests of the Lords of Kobol wear different vestments perhaps indicating divisions similar to Protestantism/Catholic/Orthadox in Christianity.

The use of the names of certain real-life pagan Gods as personal names (like the Germanic Odin) as well as the presence of interchangable Greco-Roman names for the same gods (i.e. Jupiter/Zeus or Mars/Ares) may suggest that the worship of the Lords of Kobol uses different names for the same Gods depending on language. Different colonies may call the same Lords of Kobol names like the Germanic Tyr, Roman Jupiter, Greek Zeus Pater, Indian Deus Pita interchangably. Alternatively, it is possible that some polytheists in the colonies worship a different pantheon altogether, or include the worship of other gods along with the 12 Lords of Kobol, just as how there are Titans and Olympians in Greek religion, Asir and Vanir in Germanic religion, or Devas and Asuras in Hindu religion.

The punchline of [[Blood_on_the_Scales#Noteworthy_Dialogue|the joke]] that [[Tom Zarek]] tells [[Racetrack]] as he is escorted from the flight deck in "[[Blood_on_the_Scales#Notes|Blood on the Scales]]" suggests that pedophilia by priests may have been an issue among the clergy of the Twelve Colonies, similar to [[w:Abuse_by_members_of_Roman_Catholic_orders|anecdotes and allegations]] involving the Roman Catholic Church.

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== Overview ==
:''[[Felix Gaeta]]'s mutiny continues while [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] finds refuge on the rebel Cylon [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]].''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===
* Rebel marines led by [[Aaron Kelly]] storm the airlock and capture [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh]] both of whom were stunned by a flash grenade.
* Tigh recognizes Kelly and calls him "the brig rat." Kelly is visibly uneasy about all this.
* Meanwhile, the [[Raptor]] with President [[Roslin]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] on board heads for the [[Basestar (RDM)#Rebel basestar|Basestar]].
* A pair of Vipers, piloted by Narcho and Hotdog, pursue the Raptor. Hotdog, who is unaware of the mutiny on ''Galactica'', gets the Raptor in his sights, but doesn't fire. Instead he orders the Raptor to identify itself.
* Narcho tells Hotdog to destroy the Raptor, but Hotdog continues to ask for the target's identification.
* Roslin transmits a message from the Raptor saying that she is aboard the Raptor. [[Gage]] blocks the transmission, but not before Hotdog receives it.
* [[Gaeta]], now in command of the CIC, contacts Hotdog and orders him to destroy the Raptor. When Hotdog continues to hold his fire, Narcho goes in and launches a pair of missiles at the Raptor.
* The [[Eight]] piloting the Raptor successfully avoids the missiles, which hit the Basestar instead. The Raptor successfully docks at the Basestar.
* Gaeta orders Colonel Tigh to be placed in the brig with the other Cylons, but orders Admiral Adama to be brought to the CIC.
* On board the Basestar, the Cylons demand to know why they're being fired upon. Roslin explains the situation. Fearing that the government has been overthrown, the Cylons want to jump away from the Fleet.
* Roslin insists that they give Adama a chance to retake ''Galactica''. Baltar points out that it's unlikely that Adama will win and that Gaeta and Zarek have the majority of support on ''Galactica''. Roslin counters that they've already seen evidence that not all of ''Galactica'''s crew support the mutiny.
* Roslin tells the Cylons to move their ship into the middle of the Fleet, so that ''Galactica'' won't be able to fire upon them.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Adama is brought to the CIC. Gaeta asks him to call Roslin and convince her to surrender.
* Adama refuses and instead pulls off his admiral pins. He throws them to Gaeta and sarcastically tells Gaeta that he's the admiral now and to make the call himself.
* Gaeta orders gun batteries to target the Basestar, but before they can do so, the Basestar moves into the middle of the Fleet. Gaeta calls off the attack and orders the Basestar to be quarantined. He also gives orders to prepare for [[Tom Zarek]]'s arrival.
* Adama asks Gaeta if he's planning on shooting him. Gaeta gives no response.

=== Act 1 ===
* ''[[Colonial One]]'' lands on ''Galactica'''s flight deck, with Zarek and the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] on board.
* Kelly, Narcho, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]], [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]], and other rebels escort Zarek from the flight deck, while [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] watch, hidden behind some machinery. Once they are out of sight, Lee and Starbuck move on.
* In a Raptor aboard the rebel Baseship, Roslin attempts to transmit a signal to anyone who will listen, without success.
* In the holding cell, Hera looks with concern at Helo's head wound. Athena attempts to assure her that he will get better.
* Caprica-Six nurses Tigh's ear, bleeding from the stun grenade.
* Anders wonders aloud what Gaeta will do. Tigh quips, "In your case, cut off one of your frakking legs."
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta tells Zarek that he has "a net" over the Baseship, and thus Zarek did not need to bring the entire Quorum with him to ''Galactica''. Zarek replies that as long as Gaeta insists on having a trial for Adama, he wants the Quorum where he can keep an eye on them. Zarek says they need to move on, but Gaeta replies that before that can happen, people must answer for what they've done, beginning with Adama.
* Tyrol continues to sneak through the corridors of ''Galactica'' unnoticed. On Deck D Corridor 2, he hears the sound of a door opening and runs for cover.
* Hidden from view, Tyrol observes Kelly and two rebel marines escorting [[Romo Lampkin]] at gunpoint. Romo wonders if anyone will feed his dog.
* In Adama's quarters, Zarek reads the charges against Adama: treason, desertion, giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and gross dereliction of duty. Zarek reminds him that the punishment for these crimes is death by firing squad. All the while, Adama glares at Gaeta.
* Zarek tells Romo that the Admiral is entitled to a court martial, but they need a lawyer to handle his defense. Adama mutters, "They need a pimp."
* Romo wonders why they are doing all of this. Gaeta replies, "For justice." Romo, considering the tone of the room, conjectures that if he should choose to pass on this "field trip for justice," that the two marines guarding him will instead use him for target practice. Zarek impatiently tells him to just do his job.
* Zarek goes on to say that "Commander" Gaeta will represent the people, and that Zarek himself will be serving as judge. Romo wonders if they've run out of ship's captains. Gaeta replies that the captains are busy defending their ships against the Basestar Adama welcomed into the Fleet. "Shove it up your ass," Adama tells Gaeta pointedly.
* Gaeta continues to argue with a mockingly defiant Adama. Adama points out that the rebel Cylons gave "aid and comfort" to the fleet, not vice versa. As the argument begins to escalate, Romo asks for a few minutes with Adama.
* On the Basestar, Roslin continues to unsuccessfully try to use the Raptor's communication system to contact anyone, with the Cylons looking on. A Six remarks that they no longer have the protection of the Fleet, and the Viper patrols are becoming increasingly bold, firing into space, inviting the Cylons to react. Tory Foster tells the other Cylons that they should all talk.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol uses a crowbar to pry the cover off of a service tunnel, and crawls inside.
* On ''Colonial One'', Zarek addresses the Quorum. As Zarek speaks in support of Gaeta's leadership of the military, the Quorum delegates are visibly concerned. Zarek tells the Quorum that he has brought them to ''Galactica'' to show Gaeta that the Quorum delegates are people who, "at the end of the day, still stand by your president." At this, the Quorum bursts into an excited discussion, which ends with [[Jacob Cantrell]] telling Zarek, "I think you should leave now, Mr. Vice President." The other delegates are in agreement.
* Zarek walks out of the conference room in defeat. In the adjacent corridor, he tells two marines, "Shoot them." Zarek then tells Kelly to get Gaeta. Kelly walks away to the sounds of screams and gunfire. He is visibly disturbed by the sounds.

=== Act 2 ===
* On ''Colonial One'', Gaeta looks in horror on the slain Quorum delegates, and angrily rebukes Zarek. Zarek reminds him that Gaeta began the coup, and that this is just another consequence of that. Gaeta is in disbelief, remarking that until now they had the truth on their side. Zarek tells him that the truth is told by whoever is left standing, and reminds him that Adama must be eliminated.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol continues to crawl through a cramped and dirty service tunnel.
* On the rebel Baseship, Tory informs Roslin that the Cylons have decided to jump away to ensure their own survival. The Six tells Roslin that Gaeta will likely execute Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and any of the others who oppose him, such as Kara, Helo, and Adama.
* Roslin urges the Cylons to stay, reminding them that they have all made a habit out of beating the odds, particularly William Adama, and that when he returns to command, he will know who stuck with him and who ran.
* Tyrol crawls out of the duct into an empty munitions locker, where he is met at gunpoint by Kelly. Tyrol notes that the rebels sprang him from the brig.
* Kelly tells him to get out of the duct, but Tyrol says that he is too tired and that Kelly should just shoot him. Kelly replies that he's a machine, to which Tyrol replies that Kelly is a "dumbass." Kelly and Tyrol both begin laughing at this, and Kelly lowers his rifle.
* They both hear the sounds of gunfire in the distance. Kelly remarks, "This was a hell of a ship once." Tyrol agrees. Kelly tells Tyrol he heard his child wasn't a Cylon, and that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was "trouble." Tyrol laughs, saying it would not have mattered.
* After collecting himself, Kelly again points his rifle at Tyrol, but when Tyrol braces himself for the shot, Kelly instead tells him to leave, yelling "Go on skinjob, go!" After Tyrol crawls back into the duct, Kelly berates himself.
* In Adama's quarters, Romo hands Adama a pen to sign a statement. Adama refuses, but Romo urges him to put his innocence on record, and to give his people time to retake the ship.
* One of the rebels who was guarding the holding cell goes to the latrine, where Starbuck smashes his head into the wall.
[[Image:Lida.jpg|thumb|Lida approaching Baltar.]]
* On the rebel Baseship, a Six named [[Lida]] asks Baltar if he is injured. He replies that they typically use the word "damaged" instead of "injured."
* In the corridor outside the holding cell, Lee and Starbuck argue over the best way to overpower the guards. Lee throws a grenade into their midst, and in the ensuing panic Lee and Starbuck gun them all down. Immediately after the last guard goes down, Starbuck ducks for cover, but an amused Lee nonchalantly walks to the thrown grenade and picks it back up. He tells Starbuck that he never pulled the pin, to which she states, "Not funny."
* With the guards dispatched, Lee and Starbuck free the prisoners, but Lee is upset to learn that his father is not among them.
* On their way out of the cell, Starbuck and Anders search the guards for weapons, but Lee tells them that they are quickly running out of time.
* A rebel turns the corner and fires at Starbuck and Anders. Starbuck shoots the rebel in the chest, but not before Anders is struck by a bullet in the neck, causing him to stumble.

=== Act 3 ===
* While Lee covers them, Starbuck looks after a wounded Anders. Sounds of yelling and gunfire indicate that there is fighting nearby. Lee insists that they need to leave.
* Tigh tells Caprica-Six to take Hera to Baltar's followers for safety, as "no one wants to go near those nutjobs." She insists she can take care of herself.
* Lee yells for Tigh to help him get Anders off the ground, but Starbuck tells Lee to go after his father instead. Athena and the others go with Lee and Tigh, while Starbuck stays with an incoherent Anders to try to get him to Doc Cottle for medical treatment.
* In Adama's quarters, the "court martial" proceeds apace, with Gaeta arguing that Adama deserted them on New Caprica. Romo objects, saying Gaeta is badgering the witness. Not surprisingly, his objection goes unheard by Zarek.
* As Adama continues to mock Gaeta, Zarek receives a call telling him that Tigh and the other "skinjobs" escaped. Zarek tells Adama and the others that Tigh was killed trying to escape. At the news of his longtime friend's death, Adama shows the first signs of emotion, and tells Gaeta that he is not answering any more of his questions.
* Zarek declares the prisoner guilty as charged, upsetting Romo, who says, "This isn't a trial, this is an asylum." Zarek angrily grabs Romo and pushes him against the bulkhead.
* Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, prompting a smile from Adama and looks of concern from everyone else. Roslin announces that Gaeta took command of ''Galactica'' by force, and that the Cylons were merely defending themselves when they moved the baseship into the Fleet. She then commands the Fleet ships to power down their FTL drives.
* On the rebel Baseship, Roslin exclaims that their signal could not be jammed. Behind her, a [[Number Two|Leoben]] is leaning on a device with flashing red lights, to which the Raptor's comm system is presumably connected. "I thought this would do the trick," he says with a grin.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Starbuck slowly drags an unconscious Anders a short distance before falling on the floor, exhausted. [[Parr]], the rebel marine escorting a bound Romo, happens upon them, commanding Starbuck to show him her hands. Romo readies his pen. Starbuck draws her sidearm and pulls the trigger, but the weapon is empty. Seizing his opportunity, Romo stabs his captor in the neck repeatedly with his pen. After removing his restraints, he retrieves his sunglasses and a sidearm from the fallen guard.
* Starbuck implores Romo to help her get Anders to Dr. Cottle, but Romo refuses, citing the fact that on the way there, he and his "friend" had already been shot at twice, once by his own men. Further considering the situation, an obviously conflicted Romo chooses to turn around and help.
* In CIC, Gage informs Gaeta that ten of the thirty-five ships remaining in the Fleet shut down their FTL drives after Roslin's announcement. Narcho is upset, but Gaeta tells him that Roslin did them a favor in exposing those ships who would cause them trouble. Gaeta tells Gage to give jump coordinates only to those ships that kept their FTL drives online, and to order them to jump immediately.
* Gaeta then tells Narcho to assemble an execution detail comprised of men he can trust, to secure the main hangar bay launch tube, and to take Adama down there and await further orders. Narcho shows some reluctance, but he insists that Gaeta can count on him "all down the line."
* Gaeta asks Zarek, who is waiting nearby, if he is spying on him. Zarek insists that they simply need to get through the current predicament, and move on.
* In a corridor somewhere on ''Galactica'', Narcho leads a team of six rebel marines who are escorting Adama to the launch tube, with Kelly walking behind the group. After some consideration, Kelly breaks off from the group and goes to the [[memorial hallway]], where he drops his rifle and breaks down in tears.
* In a nearby corridor, Tigh and Athena keep watch while Lee opens a service panel and disconnects a power line, causing the main lights to go out. Sounds of gunfire indicate there is still heavy fighting nearby.
* Tyrol continues to crawl through service tubes, this time crawling behind a latrine. He coughs and gags at the smell.
* In the memorial hallway, Lee confronts Kelly, who is nearly catatonic with grief. He finally admits to Lee that the others are planning on executing Adama in the main launch tube. Lee moves to punch Kelly, but Tigh pulls him away. As they run to the hangar deck, Kelly picks up his rifle and runs after them, yelling, "I'm coming with you!"
* On the rebel Baseship, Baltar dreams of Adama's death by firing squad, which wakes him violently. In bed with him, Lida attempts to comfort him, but Baltar rebuffs her, saying that he has run for his life yet again. She tells him that fear makes people act differently, but he says that he did not run out of fear this time.
* For the first time, Baltar admits that he is merely playing the role of religious leader to humor his followers, and that he privately scorns their "provincial intellects" and their unfailing willingness to make him feel better; however, he also admits that he feels responsible for them, and that he must go back.
* On the hangar deck, Adama is tied to a chair in the main launch tube by a marine while Narcho stands nearby, distressed. As Narcho walks towards the eight marines with rifles at the ready, Adama spits.
* From the rebel Baseship, Roslin gives the rebels five minutes to return command to Admiral Adama.
* In CIC, an increasingly concerned Zarek listens to Roslin's ultimatum, and looks around for Gaeta, who is absent.
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta walks to Adama's desk, where he drops the admiral pins on ''Galactica'''s watch log. He then calls Narcho, telling him to carry out the execution.
* On the hangar deck, Narcho replies, "Yes, sir," and hangs up with Tigh pointing a sidearm at his head. Meanwhile, Lee unties his father from the chair in the launch tube, and Kelly and Athena have their rifles pointed at eight marines, all disarmed and kneeling with hands behind their heads.
* Adama is overjoyed to see Tigh, whom he was told was dead. Tigh replies that for a while, he was.
* Adama addresses the kneeling, disarmed marines, saying, "I'm gonna take back my ship." Adama then addresses Narcho, who tells him that while he has always respected him, he hates the Cylons, and he cannot take orders from a leader who won't fight them. At this, Tigh raises his weapon to Narcho's head, but Adama orders him to stand down, and orders Narcho to be tied up instead.
* Sitting at Adama's desk, Gaeta removes his prosthesis and scratches the stump underneath.
* Deep in the bowels of ''Galactica'', Tyrol finally has enough room to crouch rather than crawl, allowing him to move faster.
* In CIC, Zarek orders Vireem to pass him through to Roslin. As Gaeta walks into CIC, Zarek addresses Roslin on the rebel Baseship, introducing himself as the President of the Twelve Colonies. He announces that Tigh was killed in an escape attempt, and that Adama was tried, found guilty of his crimes, and was executed by firing squad earlier that morning. Zarek insists that Roslin think of the welfare of the people of the Fleet, and surrender.
* Roslin vehemently refuses, vowing to use every weapon at her disposal to come after Zarek and the other mutineers. The weapon emplacements on the Baseship open, targeting ''Galactica''.

=== Act 4 ===
* In CIC, after Zarek's statements to Roslin, Gaeta remarks that now they have a military leader and a president in one. Zarek questions how Gaeta would have handled the situation, had he been there.
* Gage indicates that the Baseship is arming itself, and that they are jump ready. Gaeta orders the board be set to green, and a crew member inserts the FTL key at gunpoint.
* Tyrol rushes down a set of stairs in ''Galactica'''s FTL engine room.
* Adama marches towards CIC, leading an increasingly large group of marines, officers, and enlisted crew.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol breaks open the door to the auxiliary control station, and attempts to shut down the FTL drive with his command code.
* As Adama and his group of loyalists continue their march to CIC, Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, commanding ''Galactica'' to surrender.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol's command code is denied (as he is not currently in active duty). Instead he looks to some nearby machinery and, with some effort, removes a [[Sync coil|vital component]] and shuts down the FTL drive.
* In CIC, Gage announces the FTL drive's shutdown. Zarek begins ordering crew members to look into it, but no one moves. He tells Gaeta to launch Vipers to defend themselves, but Gaeta ignores him, and instead recalls his own words: "One day soon there's gonna be a reckoning."
* Gage announces that gun batteries have fixed target bearings and are ready to fire. With Zarek at a near-panic, Gaeta realizes they are defeated, and orders a weapons hold.
* Adama arms himself with the sidearm from a nearby marine, and the group storms CIC. No resistance is offered by the mutineers who, outmatched, surrender without a fight.
* Adama gets on the wireless, identifies himself, confirms that he has retaken command, and tells Roslin to stand down. Roslin, Baltar, and even the Cylons are relieved to hear his voice with Roslin and at least one Eight in tears.
* Zarek, Gaeta, and the other mutineers are taken away at gunpoint. While Gaeta and Adama exchange a stare, Adama has nothing to say to his fomrer loyal officer and merley gestures for Kelly and Athena to take him away.
* In the FTL engine room, an exhausted Tyrol drops the component as the massive FTL drive slowly come to a halt. As he turns to the bulkhead, he notices some significant structural damage which concerns him greatly.
* On ''Galactica'', Roslin climbs down a ladder and, seeing Adama alive for the first time since she boarded the Raptor, cries tears of joy. The two leaders walk together, his arm around her.
* In Gaeta's quarters, Gaeta and Baltar are smoking cigarettes - something Gaeta has not been seen doing for quite some time and drink coffee which Gaeta calls the "spoils of war." Gaeta is telling Baltar of the many careers he once dreamed of pursuing: architecture, medicine, engineering, photography, and finally, science.
* Baltar, on the verge of tears, begins to say something, but Gaeta stops him. He assures Baltar that he is fine with the way things turned out, and that his only wish is that eventually, people realize who he is. Baltar tells Gaeta that he knows who he is.
* Gaeta and Zarek are seated in the main launch tube of the hangar deck, with Adama, Lee, Tigh, and Baltar standing behind the firing squad.
* Just before Adama orders the execution detail to fire, Gaeta looks down at his severed leg in astonishment and remarks, "It stopped" refering to the intense pain he has had since he lost his leg.
*The squad fires, killing Gaeta and Zarek.

== Notes ==
*The punchline of [[Blood_on_the_Scales#Noteworthy_Dialogue|the joke]] that [[Tom Zarek]] tells [[Racetrack]] as he is escorted from the flight deck suggests that pedophilia by priests may have been an issue among the [[Religion_in_the_Twelve_Colonies_(RDM)|clergy of the Twelve Colonies]], similar to [[w:Abuse_by_members_of_Roman_Catholic_orders|anecdotes and allegations]] involving the Roman Catholic Church.
*The [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] were murdered on Zarek's order for supporting President Roslin. [[Lee Adama]] survived as he wasn't present during the Quorum session. Two other regular Quorum members (Gemenon Delegate and one other delegate) were replaced by temporary stand-ins (who were killed), and their fate is unknown.
*Romo Lampkin while being forced to serve as Adama's lawyer during his trial he referred to two looming Marine guards as "Wynken and Blynken". This was in reference to the poem of ''[[Wikipedia:Wynken, Blynken, and Nod|Wynken, Blynken, and Nod]]'', a late 19th century Dutch child's lullaby by [[Wikipedia:Eugene Field|Eugene Field]] about three fishermen fishing in the starry night in the sky with the help of the moon and uses a magic wooden shoe as their boat.<ref>[http://www3.amherst.edu/~rjyanco94/literature/eugenefield/poems/poemsofchildhood/wynkenblynkenandnod.html Wynken, Blynken, and Nod" Lullaby]</ref>
*This episode marks the death of Felix Gaeta and Tom Zarek, who are executed by firing squad for their mutiny against Adama and the government.
*The character Captain Kelly was last seen during season 3 when he was arrested for his bombing and assassinations of Baltar's lawyers. His character has appeared intermittently since the show began and it is fitting that he would be a double-turn coat as he was part of the original senior staff and his love for Admiral Adama is proven to be stronger than his hatred for the Cylons.
*The events depicted in "The Oath" and "Blood on the Scales" cover approximately nine hours: Tigh enters Adama's quarters at 0620 at the beginning of "The Oath", culminates with Gaeta seizing the CIC at 0922, and concludes with Adama and his loyalists retaking the CIC at 1532 in "Blood on the Scales". The executions of Gaeta and Zarek, however, take place at an unspecified time later.
*The firing-squad executions of Gaeta and Zarek mark the first time a method of execution other than [[airlock|airlocking]] has been used on screen (apart from the non-judicial summary executions in ''[[Razor]]''), although the action takes place in the same location where most recent airlocking incidents have occurred. In "[[Dirty_Hands#Act_4|Dirty Hands]]", Admiral Adama threatens to have [[Cally Tyrol]] shot as a mutineer, suggesting that the firing squad is the standard means of execution for humans that commit mutiny.
*The ship's [[FTL]] drive is seen for the first time.
*Baltar becomes involved with a previously-unseen copy of [[Number Six]] (referenced off-screen by the name [[Lida]]). Discounting his [[Messengers|Messenger Six]], this makes the third copy of Six with whom he has had relations, after [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Gina Inviere]].

== Analysis ==
*Despite all of the support that Gaeta and Zarek seemed to have at the beginning of the mutiny, Roslin and Adama had more support from people opposed to it and possibly people who rethought it like Kelly. On Roslin and Adama's side were ''Galactica's'' senior staff (the members of CIC were either people on Gaeta's side or forced to work at gunpoint by marines), at least most of the crew given how many people joined Adama's march to CIC, the Quorum of Twelve and the Cylons and Baltar's followers. Gaeta and Zarek had the supporters they'd managed to gather amongst ''Galactica's'' crew and about 25 ships who refused Roslin's order to stand down FTL drives. In the end Adama and Roslin were successful because the people supported them more and Adama had enough respect from his crew that he was able to turn a lot back to his side just by stating his intention to retake the ship and walking by others. Gaeta and Zarek had to use force to get what they wanted. Many people, both in support of Gaeta/Zarek and in opposition, were killed. Given the death count, 40 in the first four hours of the mutiny, from 06:32 hours when Zarek was released from the Brig to sometime after 10:30 hours when Adama and Tigh are captured in the stowage bay (with most of the killing starting shortly after 09:02 hours after Capt. [[Kara Thrace]] rescues Delegate [[Lee Adama]] in the Hanger Deck. [[Peter Laird]] was the very first death, occuring shortly before 07:00 hours.), the attack on those Loyal to Adama was vicious. The break down of mutineer and loyalist deaths hasn't been given yet, but it is most likely that most of these deaths were those loyal to Adama since Gaeta/Zarek forces had the elements of both surprise and preparation in their favor. The 40 figure only represents the deaths by the end of "[[The Oath]]", near the approximate halfway point of the mutiny at 10:30 hours. With the retaking of CIC by Adama and Tigh, the mutiny ended at 15:32 hours, approximately nine hours elapsed time (there may have been resisters after that time not wishing to be taken into custody). Mutiny death figures since 10:30 hours, including the murder of the Quorum delegates, will be reflected in the survivor population count after the teaser of "[[No Exit]]" unless otherwise indicated.
*Gaeta's sudden lack of pain in his amputated leg signals that his chronic pain (which he tried to numb with painkillers during the webisodes) was partially psychological. Once he was at peace with who he was and what he had done, his mental pain and much of his physical pain and itching disappeared. His last words acknowledged that the irritation had stopped.
*The marines who eventually joined Adama's side near the end of the episode indicates that other mutineers simply were part of the coup out of self-preservation or at least wanting to be on the "winning" side. Once it was clear that Adama and the senior staff were rising up and reclaiming the ship, the marines, and others finally arose as well.
*By sparing Narcho's life, Admiral Adama characteristically shows his love and compassion for those who serve under him. Despite his speech of "no forgiveness" in "The Oath", it is clear that Adama will attempt to give the some of the mutineers a second chance.
**Not likely, the podcast for Deadlocked says they were all imprisoned on the ''Astral Queen''.
**Adama grants clemency to those volunteering for the rescue of Hera. However, this was out of a desperate need for as many people as possible and the only ones shown for sure to take it were Nowart, Racetrack and Skulls, the later two of which died in the battle.
*From a pragmatic standpoint, Humanity, such at the verge of extinction anyways, can not afford to lose large numbers of people.
*The mutineers at no point subdued all resistance aboard ''Galactica''. As Adama marched on CIC, many crew members rushed to join him, indicating that they were either still resisting or were waiting for a sign that the tide had turned. CIC also was controlled by Gaeta through the use of marines who held most of the staff at gunpoint.
* Tyrol, while attempting to disable Galactica's jump drive notices odd tears in the hull near the FTL assembly. It is not known whether this was hull stress caused by Tyrol disabling the FTL as the ship was about to jump, or an as-yet unexplained problem that has an impact on Galactica's hull.
**''Galactica'' may be suffering from serious long term metal fatigue and/or cumulative battle damage, as evidenced by the bulkhead deformation Tyrol discovers in the FTL drive room. Over the course of the series, Tigh has made a number of comments on ''Galactica's'' worsening structural condition, especially in absence of any possibility for repair at a shipyard. The ship itself is 50+ years old and has seen combat in two wars against the Cylons, and after all the damage its taken - the [[Battle of New Caprica]] being the most obvious example - it is not all that surprising to see the ship's structural integrity begin to fail like this.
** It is extremely unlikely that the damage witnessed by Tyrol was a result of his improper shut-down of the FTL, a tear of that size in metal would likely have been extremely loud and Tyrol does not notice the damage until he just happens to glance up at it. While it is possible that the FTL drive spun up would be louder than the sound of such a crack there is also no strong vibrations shown either in engineering or on the bridge, which would no doubt accompany such a large tear. Given that the area where Tyrol is an auxiliary control center, which is unlikely the be manned unless there is a problem with the FTL drives or for periodic maintenance, it is eminently possible that the tear has been there for some time since it has been quite some time since Galactica has been depicted as having FTL problem. However, as were are dealing with a device that can bend time and space, nothing can be completely discredited at this point.
*Roslin threatens to attack ''Galactica'' if Gaeta and Zarek do not surrender. Numerous missile emplacements are then shown opening along the arms of the rebel basestar. Due to the known incompetence of ''Galactica's'' mutineer crew (Gage being unable to jam Roslin's transmission in [[The Oath]] without Gaeta's help), the chaos aboard ''Galactica'' with a mutiny still ongoing, and ''Galatica's'' status as an undermanned vessel, it is possible that the basestar could have successfully engaged and destroyed ''Galactica'' or at least severely damaged her enough to prevent her escaping.
*Captain Kelly, after having been locked up in the brig for his attempts to assassinate Baltar's lawyers, still holds a deep love for the Galactica and her commander. As he was a part of the original senior leadership (3rd in command as shown after Adama's near-assassination), his nostalgic comments with Tyrol indicated his withering resolve to be part of the coup. In addition, being a witness to the cruelty of Zarek with the Quorum was probably the first catalyst for his repentance.
*Gaeta, prior to his execution, is shown smoking and having drinks with Baltar. This is significant as Gaeta is rarely shown smoking during the show, and when it is shown, it was done when Gaeta finally felt free to be who he wanted to be. The first time was during his taped interview with D'Anna where he "let his hair down" so to speak. Incorporating a final smoke for Gaeta seemed appropriate to allow the audience to see a humanized Gaeta again.
*Gaeta and Baltar have a civil conversation before Gaeta's execution indicating that the two have forgiven each other for thier past transgressions: Gaeta trying to kill Baltar and Baltar's involvement with the Cylons on New Caprica.
*Baltar, despite admitting to not really liking his followers, has developed a sense of responsibility towards them as shown when he's speaking with [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]] about them and deciding to go back. This is the first time that Baltar has been shown to truly care about something besides himself indicating he may have changed somewhat.
*Dialogue in this episode indicates there are 35 civilian ships left in the fleet. This is the first time since abandoning [[New Caprica]] that significant information on the number of ships left in the fleet has emerged. This number doesn't seem to tally with the observed losses in the fleet since the first season, although the number of ships has been portrayed inconsistently throughout the miniseries and the main seasons (a figure in the mid 70s being mentioned in [[Home, Part I]]). The figure of 35 stated here- indicating a loss of half the fleet's ships- seems somewhat inconsistent with a the human population that has only declined by about one fifth since the arrival of Pegasus's crew which bolstered the number of survivors to close to 50,000. Ships being abandoned on New Caprica or afterwards may explain this strikingly low number unless it is a continuity error. If 35 is a correct figure, the other ships in the fleet must have somehow found a way to take a huge number of extra people aboard.
**It is possible that the 35 civilian ships that were mentioned were the total number of ships that had initially sided with Zarek and Gaeta, rather than the entire number of ships in the fleet. If they had been ready to jump at Zarek and Gaeta's order, their FTL drives would have been spun up. With Roslin's broadcast, though, 10 of the 35 would have switched sides again and shut down their FTLs, indicating the end of their desire to follow the coup leaders.
*Ronald D Moore has commented that ''Galactica'' is severely undermanned at this point and therefore large parts of the ship are empty, making it easier for mutineers and counter-mutineers to move around unobserved. This however is contradicted by the fact that ''Galactica'' now has the crew of ''Pegasus'' aboard and the ship has in fact been seen to be overcrowded. Even allowing for losses on New Caprica and the fact that ''Pegasus'' was undermanned, the ship should still have a larger crew compliment than when she began her journey. In orbit around New Caprica the two ships still had over 2000 personnel still serving and doubtless most if not all former crew re-enlisted after the evacuation of New Caprica. Galactica's combined crew have not been seen to have taken any substantial losses since leaving New Caprica that would leave much of the ship empty. This may be a retcon or continuity error. It should be noted, however, that a large proportion of the people on the ship following the escape from New Caprica were civilians who may have since been relocated. Furthermore, it may be that only certain areas of the ship - such as the living quarters - are overcrowded. The exact number of personnel that a fully manned ''Galactica'' should have is unknown.
*Despite [[Sharon Agathon]]'s vision-induced paranoia of a Six taking her daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]<ref>Sharon kills [[Natalie]] in "[[Sine Qua Non]]" when she sees the latter with Hera in a corridor after Sharon, President Roslin, and Caprica-Six all have a vision of a Six absconding with Hera at the opera house.</ref>, she does not protest [[Caprica-Six]] carrying Hera while Sharon supports her injured husband, [[Karl Agathon|Karl]]. It must be remembered that it was Caprica Six who aided in the escape of Athena with Hera from the Baseship after she got Helo to kill her so she would resurrect on the Baseship and recover their daughter. Caprica Six killed [[Sharon Valerii]] ("Boomer", who later resurrected) after Valerii tried to kill Hera for rejecting her and then Caprica Six helped get both Athena and Hera off the Baseship. Ironically, Caprica Six is the only character who has been seen specifically committing infanticide (not counting Baltar's dream about Adama drowning Hera).<ref>Caprica-Six snaps a human infant's neck in her first scene in the [[Miniseries]].</ref>
*Assuming the writers maintained their preference to mirror real-world military traditions, the firing squad assembled to execute Gaeta and Zarek would likely be composed of low-level mutineers who were treated with leniency and then required to seal their loyalty (and feelings of guilt) by executing their former conspirators.
*It isn't clear whether Gaeta and Zarek were given any sort of trial before being executed. Given Adama and Roslin's preference (albeit sometimes waveringly so) for maintaining the rule of law, it would be surprising if the lead mutineers were just shot out of hand.
* During Tyrol and Kelly's discussion in the arms locker, Kelly mentions that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was trouble, Tyrol's response "Thanks, it wouldn't have mattered", indicates that, even if he had known that Cally had been sleeping with Hot Dog, he would still have married her. This clearly indicates that Tyrol loved her, and the way in which he says it clearly indicates that he still does. This means that Tyrol's tirade against the Admiral after his wife's death was an act, possibly out of grief, possibly to get himself dismissed from the Deck Crew so he couldn't sabotage anything should he have any hidden programming.
* The Cylons among the fleet are, collectively, more loyal to Roslin and Adama (and more willing to forgive past conflicts) than are the humans.
*Despite Adama's obvious anger towards Gaeta, he may have been somewhat forgiving towards him at the end: Baltar is allowed to visit, it happens in Gaeta's quaters indicating that Adama didn't put him in the brig but locked him in his room and he's smoking cigarettes (which he may have had in his room) and drinks what looks like the Admiral's morning coffee which he calls the "spoils of war" indicating Adama may have given it to him. Also, Adama allows him to die wearing his uniform which he promised he wouldn't allow any of the mutineers to do.

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

* What will become of the other mutineers (Racetrack, Narcho, Seelix, etc)? Will Adama follow through with his promise of "no forgiveness"? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* Who will take over Gaeta's duties? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* What repercussions will the Quorum's assassination have on the Fleet? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* What is the significance of the damage Tyrol discovers in the engine room? Has it been there long, or is it a result of the improper shut down of the FTL drive? Do other areas of the ship show similar signs of damage? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* In the [[Miniseries]], Colonel Tigh tells Lt. Gaeta to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2". Why did Tyrol's deactivation of one FTL drive stop Gaeta from ordering the other's use? Is the other FTL drive still functional?
** Answer: The ship needs both FTL drives to make a proper jump, and Tyrol pulled the [[sync coil]] between the two.
* Will Anders survive his injuries? Were Starbuck and Lampkin even successful in getting him to sickbay? ([[No Exit|Partial Answer]])
* Will Helo survive his injuries? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* How will Baltar's new-found sense of responsibility toward his flock change his behavior? ([[Deadlock|Possible Answer]])
* Will the Cylons' assistance of, and subordination to, President Roslin (and/or Colonial political leaders' fears of being associated with the failed coup d'état) secure them the citizenship and Quorum representation they seek? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* With Zarek dead and Lee Adama being the only surviving member of the Quorum (or one of the few surviving members, considering that two regular delegates were replaced by stand-ins), will he become the new Vice President? ([[No Exit|Possible Answer]])
* Are ''Galactica'''s computers now networked? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* With most of the Quorum dead, will Roslin and Adama use the attempted mutiny as a basis to declare martial law? ([[No Exit|Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* Will Kelly be allowed to resume his duties on ''Galactica''?
* Is the same structural deficiency present near the other FTL drive?
* Will the rebel Cylons become less trusting of the humans as a result of this mutiny? Or will they be more inclined to trust certain humans, such as Roslin, since she managed to convince them to stay and follow her leadership?
* What was that device Roslin and Leoben were using to communicate with the rest of the Fleet?
* Why was Lee Adama - as opposed to Roslin - present at Zarek and Gaeta's execution?
* What will be done to the 25 ships who did not obey Roslin's order to power down their FTL drives?
* Will the FTL upgrades proceed once order has been brought back completely?
* Will there be a faction that will attempt to portray Zarek or Gaeta as martyrs?
* Do the Articles of Colonization include pre-approval language for the joining of the fabled "13th Tribe", now known to be Cylons? Such is often the case of comparable federation constitutions; the United States' former [[wikipedia:Articles of Confederation|Articles of Confederation]] included such language with respect to "Canada" (meaning Ontario) and Bermuda.
* Were Gaeta and Zarek given trials?
* How much time passed between the mutiny and the execution?
* Did Zarek subsequently target the absent members of the Quorum for assassination? Do any of them, other than Lee, live through the mutiny?

== Character Development ==
*''In the [[Miniseries]] (in the teaser) the first time we see Lt. Felix Gaeta and then-Commander Adama, Gaeta was handing him routine reports-and also unknown to them the first indications of trouble-while he was practicing his public address on the occasion of ''Galactica'''s-and his-retirement. It is of note considering what we now know of what the unimaginable future had for them:''

:'''Gaeta''': Morning, sir. (hands him messages) Com traffic from the midwatch.

:'''Adama:''' Morning. (re: messages) Anything interesting?

:'''Gaeta:''' Mostly housekeeping. Oh, there is one odd message we were copied on. (shows him the message) The one from Fleet headquarters. Courier officer's overdue coming back from Armistice station.

:'''Adama:''' Hm.

:'''Gaeta:''' They're asking for a status report on all FTL capable ships in case they need someone to jump out there tomorrow and see if his ship's had a mechanical problem.

:'''Adama:''' I think we're a little busy tomorrow, Mr. Gaeta. What do you think?

:'''Gaeta:''' (grins) Yes, sir. And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years.

:'''Adama:''' It's been my honor, good luck on your next assignment.

*It's also interesting to note that the first time Roslin meets a Number Two, he is trying to sabotage the fleet and she has him executed ([[Flesh and Bone]]); in this episode she and a Number Two are seen cooperating and sharing a friendly moment. It may have even been the same Number Two, as Leoben is still alive and has been prominent among the rebels.

== Official Statements ==
*[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-gaeta-blood-scales-angeli.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Michael Angeli about the episode:], The Six who sleeps with Baltar on the baseship is named [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]].

* ''[[Richard Hatch]] discusses his desire for a [[Tom Zarek]] interview prior to Zarek's execution:''

: I actually want to do the final Tom Zarek interview before he gets blown out the airlock, which they didn’t show, on the show. They had [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] talk to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], but you never got to see what Zarek was feeling. And I always wanted to do the final Zarek interview, you know, a little bit like the [[w:David Frost|David Frost]] interview with [[w:Richard Nixon|[Richard] Nixon]], where you could understand a little more deeply where he was coming from.

: I always wanted to go into that, just because I always felt that some people missed the point. They took sides, on who they liked more, as opposed to seeing what was really happening there. And art is not just about entertainment, not about taking sides; it’s about challenging your thinking, seeing things outside the box and expanding your mind, and seeing things from a larger viewpoint.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II|date=13 August 2009|accessdate=14 August 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*'''Tom Zarek''' (ending a joke to Racetrack): . . . shall we save the kids? And the attorney says, "Frak them". And the priest says, "Do we have time?"
:'''Racetrack''' (after both laugh): "You're gross."
*'''''Tom Zarek''' delivers his ultimatum to '''Laura Roslin''''':
:'''Zarek''': This is Tom Zarek, President of the Twelve Colonies. It's over, Laura. Saul Tigh was killed attempting to escape. Bill Adama was tried and found guilty of his crimes. A firing squad executed him this morning. It's done, Laura. You want to think about the people of this fleet now, and surrender.
:'''Roslin''': No. Not now. Not ever. Do you hear me? I will use every cannon, every bomb, every bullet, every weapon I have down to my own eyeteeth to end you. I swear it!''' ''I'm coming for all of you!'''''
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is disturbed by the sight of the slaughtered Quorum delegates:
:'''Gaeta''': We--we had the truth on our side. Now . . . now . . .
:'''Zarek''': The truth is told by whoever is left standing.
*'''''Lee Adama''' has just thrown a grenade towards the marines guarding the Cylon Prisoners, allowing him and '''Kara Thrace''' to kill them, after which Kara takes cover and Lee looks at her both amused and pleased with himself:
:'''Lee Adama''': ''walking forward and picking up the Grenade'' I never pulled the pin.
:'''Kara Thrace''': Ok, that is not funny.
:'''Lee Adama''': It would have been if you had thought of it.
:'''Kara Thrace''': No, still not funny.
*'''''Laura Roslin''''' broadcasting to the fleet:
:'''Roslin''': This is President Laura Roslin speaking from the Cylon baseship. Felix Gaeta has seized ''Galactica'' by force. The Cylons were defending themselves. They will not harm you. I repeat, the Cylons will not harm you. I am asking all ships' captains not to jump. Do not jump! Shut down your FTL drives!
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is about to be executed for his crimes:
:'''Gaeta''': (referring to the pain from his lost leg) It stopped.
*'''''Gaeta''' pours himself and Baltar a cup of what looks like Admiral Adama's coffee and Baltar looks at it confused:
:'''Gaeta''': Spoils of war.
*'''''Adama''' regains control of CIC and captures '''Gaeta''' and '''Zarek''':
:'''Adama''': ''(to a CIC crewmember)'' Connect me with the President.
:'''Crewmember''': Right away Admiral.
:''(Adama puts down his gun and picks up the phone)''
:'''Adama''': Madam President, this is the Admiral! Stand down! I repeat ''Galactica'' secure, stand down!
:''(Roslin, Baltar and the Cylons are clearly relieved with Roslin and an Eight even crying)''
:'''Roslin''': ''(tearfully)'' Bill!

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate [[Dahlia]]
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Adrian Holmes]] as Marine [[Parr]]

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== Overview ==
:''[[Felix Gaeta]]'s mutiny continues while [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] finds refuge on the rebel Cylon [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]].''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===
* Rebel marines led by [[Aaron Kelly]] storm the airlock and capture [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh]] both of whom were stunned by a flash grenade.
* Tigh recognizes Kelly and calls him "the brig rat." Kelly is visibly uneasy about all this.
* Meanwhile, the [[Raptor]] with President [[Roslin]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] on board heads for the [[Basestar (RDM)#Rebel basestar|Basestar]].
* A pair of Vipers, piloted by Narcho and Hotdog, pursue the Raptor. Hotdog, who is unaware of the mutiny on ''Galactica'', gets the Raptor in his sights, but doesn't fire. Instead he orders the Raptor to identify itself.
* Narcho tells Hotdog to destroy the Raptor, but Hotdog continues to ask for the target's identification.
* Roslin transmits a message from the Raptor saying that she is aboard the Raptor. [[Gage]] blocks the transmission, but not before Hotdog receives it.
* [[Gaeta]], now in command of the CIC, contacts Hotdog and orders him to destroy the Raptor. When Hotdog continues to hold his fire, Narcho goes in and launches a pair of missiles at the Raptor.
* The [[Eight]] piloting the Raptor successfully avoids the missiles, which hit the Basestar instead. The Raptor successfully docks at the Basestar.
* Gaeta orders Colonel Tigh to be placed in the brig with the other Cylons, but orders Admiral Adama to be brought to the CIC.
* On board the Basestar, the Cylons demand to know why they're being fired upon. Roslin explains the situation. Fearing that the government has been overthrown, the Cylons want to jump away from the Fleet.
* Roslin insists that they give Adama a chance to retake ''Galactica''. Baltar points out that it's unlikely that Adama will win and that Gaeta and Zarek have the majority of support on ''Galactica''. Roslin counters that they've already seen evidence that not all of ''Galactica'''s crew support the mutiny.
* Roslin tells the Cylons to move their ship into the middle of the Fleet, so that ''Galactica'' won't be able to fire upon them.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Adama is brought to the CIC. Gaeta asks him to call Roslin and convince her to surrender.
* Adama refuses and instead pulls off his admiral pins. He throws them to Gaeta and sarcastically tells Gaeta that he's the admiral now and to make the call himself.
* Gaeta orders gun batteries to target the Basestar, but before they can do so, the Basestar moves into the middle of the Fleet. Gaeta calls off the attack and orders the Basestar to be quarantined. He also gives orders to prepare for [[Tom Zarek]]'s arrival.
* Adama asks Gaeta if he's planning on shooting him. Gaeta gives no response.

=== Act 1 ===
* ''[[Colonial One]]'' lands on ''Galactica'''s flight deck, with Zarek and the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] on board.
* Kelly, Narcho, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]], [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]], and other rebels escort Zarek from the flight deck, while [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] watch, hidden behind some machinery. Once they are out of sight, Lee and Starbuck move on.
* In a Raptor aboard the rebel Baseship, Roslin attempts to transmit a signal to anyone who will listen, without success.
* In the holding cell, Hera looks with concern at Helo's head wound. Athena attempts to assure her that he will get better.
* Caprica-Six nurses Tigh's ear, bleeding from the stun grenade.
* Anders wonders aloud what Gaeta will do. Tigh quips, "In your case, cut off one of your frakking legs."
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta tells Zarek that he has "a net" over the Baseship, and thus Zarek did not need to bring the entire Quorum with him to ''Galactica''. Zarek replies that as long as Gaeta insists on having a trial for Adama, he wants the Quorum where he can keep an eye on them. Zarek says they need to move on, but Gaeta replies that before that can happen, people must answer for what they've done, beginning with Adama.
* Tyrol continues to sneak through the corridors of ''Galactica'' unnoticed. On Deck D Corridor 2, he hears the sound of a door opening and runs for cover.
* Hidden from view, Tyrol observes Kelly and two rebel marines escorting [[Romo Lampkin]] at gunpoint. Romo wonders if anyone will feed his dog.
* In Adama's quarters, Zarek reads the charges against Adama: treason, desertion, giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and gross dereliction of duty. Zarek reminds him that the punishment for these crimes is death by firing squad. All the while, Adama glares at Gaeta.
* Zarek tells Romo that the Admiral is entitled to a court martial, but they need a lawyer to handle his defense. Adama mutters, "They need a pimp."
* Romo wonders why they are doing all of this. Gaeta replies, "For justice." Romo, considering the tone of the room, conjectures that if he should choose to pass on this "field trip for justice," that the two marines guarding him will instead use him for target practice. Zarek impatiently tells him to just do his job.
* Zarek goes on to say that "Commander" Gaeta will represent the people, and that Zarek himself will be serving as judge. Romo wonders if they've run out of ship's captains. Gaeta replies that the captains are busy defending their ships against the Basestar Adama welcomed into the Fleet. "Shove it up your ass," Adama tells Gaeta pointedly.
* Gaeta continues to argue with a mockingly defiant Adama. Adama points out that the rebel Cylons gave "aid and comfort" to the fleet, not vice versa. As the argument begins to escalate, Romo asks for a few minutes with Adama.
* On the Basestar, Roslin continues to unsuccessfully try to use the Raptor's communication system to contact anyone, with the Cylons looking on. A Six remarks that they no longer have the protection of the Fleet, and the Viper patrols are becoming increasingly bold, firing into space, inviting the Cylons to react. Tory Foster tells the other Cylons that they should all talk.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol uses a crowbar to pry the cover off of a service tunnel, and crawls inside.
* On ''Colonial One'', Zarek addresses the Quorum. As Zarek speaks in support of Gaeta's leadership of the military, the Quorum delegates are visibly concerned. Zarek tells the Quorum that he has brought them to ''Galactica'' to show Gaeta that the Quorum delegates are people who, "at the end of the day, still stand by your president." At this, the Quorum bursts into an excited discussion, which ends with [[Jacob Cantrell]] telling Zarek, "I think you should leave now, Mr. Vice President." The other delegates are in agreement.
* Zarek walks out of the conference room in defeat. In the adjacent corridor, he tells two marines, "Shoot them." Zarek then tells Kelly to get Gaeta. Kelly walks away to the sounds of screams and gunfire. He is visibly disturbed by the sounds.

=== Act 2 ===
* On ''Colonial One'', Gaeta looks in horror on the slain Quorum delegates, and angrily rebukes Zarek. Zarek reminds him that Gaeta began the coup, and that this is just another consequence of that. Gaeta is in disbelief, remarking that until now they had the truth on their side. Zarek tells him that the truth is told by whoever is left standing, and reminds him that Adama must be eliminated.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol continues to crawl through a cramped and dirty service tunnel.
* On the rebel Baseship, Tory informs Roslin that the Cylons have decided to jump away to ensure their own survival. The Six tells Roslin that Gaeta will likely execute Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and any of the others who oppose him, such as Kara, Helo, and Adama.
* Roslin urges the Cylons to stay, reminding them that they have all made a habit out of beating the odds, particularly William Adama, and that when he returns to command, he will know who stuck with him and who ran.
* Tyrol crawls out of the duct into an empty munitions locker, where he is met at gunpoint by Kelly. Tyrol notes that the rebels sprang him from the brig.
* Kelly tells him to get out of the duct, but Tyrol says that he is too tired and that Kelly should just shoot him. Kelly replies that he's a machine, to which Tyrol replies that Kelly is a "dumbass." Kelly and Tyrol both begin laughing at this, and Kelly lowers his rifle.
* They both hear the sounds of gunfire in the distance. Kelly remarks, "This was a hell of a ship once." Tyrol agrees. Kelly tells Tyrol he heard his child wasn't a Cylon, and that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was "trouble." Tyrol laughs, saying it would not have mattered.
* After collecting himself, Kelly again points his rifle at Tyrol, but when Tyrol braces himself for the shot, Kelly instead tells him to leave, yelling "Go on skinjob, go!" After Tyrol crawls back into the duct, Kelly berates himself.
* In Adama's quarters, Romo hands Adama a pen to sign a statement. Adama refuses, but Romo urges him to put his innocence on record, and to give his people time to retake the ship.
* One of the rebels who was guarding the holding cell goes to the latrine, where Starbuck smashes his head into the wall.
[[Image:Lida.jpg|thumb|Lida approaching Baltar.]]
* On the rebel Baseship, a Six named [[Lida]] asks Baltar if he is injured. He replies that they typically use the word "damaged" instead of "injured."
* In the corridor outside the holding cell, Lee and Starbuck argue over the best way to overpower the guards. Lee throws a grenade into their midst, and in the ensuing panic Lee and Starbuck gun them all down. Immediately after the last guard goes down, Starbuck ducks for cover, but an amused Lee nonchalantly walks to the thrown grenade and picks it back up. He tells Starbuck that he never pulled the pin, to which she states, "Not funny."
* With the guards dispatched, Lee and Starbuck free the prisoners, but Lee is upset to learn that his father is not among them.
* On their way out of the cell, Starbuck and Anders search the guards for weapons, but Lee tells them that they are quickly running out of time.
* A rebel turns the corner and fires at Starbuck and Anders. Starbuck shoots the rebel in the chest, but not before Anders is struck by a bullet in the neck, causing him to stumble.

=== Act 3 ===
* While Lee covers them, Starbuck looks after a wounded Anders. Sounds of yelling and gunfire indicate that there is fighting nearby. Lee insists that they need to leave.
* Tigh tells Caprica-Six to take Hera to Baltar's followers for safety, as "no one wants to go near those nutjobs." She insists she can take care of herself.
* Lee yells for Tigh to help him get Anders off the ground, but Starbuck tells Lee to go after his father instead. Athena and the others go with Lee and Tigh, while Starbuck stays with an incoherent Anders to try to get him to Doc Cottle for medical treatment.
* In Adama's quarters, the "court martial" proceeds apace, with Gaeta arguing that Adama deserted them on New Caprica. Romo objects, saying Gaeta is badgering the witness. Not surprisingly, his objection goes unheard by Zarek.
* As Adama continues to mock Gaeta, Zarek receives a call telling him that Tigh and the other "skinjobs" escaped. Zarek tells Adama and the others that Tigh was killed trying to escape. At the news of his longtime friend's death, Adama shows the first signs of emotion, and tells Gaeta that he is not answering any more of his questions.
* Zarek declares the prisoner guilty as charged, upsetting Romo, who says, "This isn't a trial, this is an asylum." Zarek angrily grabs Romo and pushes him against the bulkhead.
* Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, prompting a smile from Adama and looks of concern from everyone else. Roslin announces that Gaeta took command of ''Galactica'' by force, and that the Cylons were merely defending themselves when they moved the baseship into the Fleet. She then commands the Fleet ships to power down their FTL drives.
* On the rebel Baseship, Roslin exclaims that their signal could not be jammed. Behind her, a [[Number Two|Leoben]] is leaning on a device with flashing red lights, to which the Raptor's comm system is presumably connected. "I thought this would do the trick," he says with a grin.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Starbuck slowly drags an unconscious Anders a short distance before falling on the floor, exhausted. [[Parr]], the rebel marine escorting a bound Romo, happens upon them, commanding Starbuck to show him her hands. Romo readies his pen. Starbuck draws her sidearm and pulls the trigger, but the weapon is empty. Seizing his opportunity, Romo stabs his captor in the neck repeatedly with his pen. After removing his restraints, he retrieves his sunglasses and a sidearm from the fallen guard.
* Starbuck implores Romo to help her get Anders to Dr. Cottle, but Romo refuses, citing the fact that on the way there, he and his "friend" had already been shot at twice, once by his own men. Further considering the situation, an obviously conflicted Romo chooses to turn around and help.
* In CIC, Gage informs Gaeta that ten of the thirty-five ships remaining in the Fleet shut down their FTL drives after Roslin's announcement. Narcho is upset, but Gaeta tells him that Roslin did them a favor in exposing those ships who would cause them trouble. Gaeta tells Gage to give jump coordinates only to those ships that kept their FTL drives online, and to order them to jump immediately.
* Gaeta then tells Narcho to assemble an execution detail comprised of men he can trust, to secure the main hangar bay launch tube, and to take Adama down there and await further orders. Narcho shows some reluctance, but he insists that Gaeta can count on him "all down the line."
* Gaeta asks Zarek, who is waiting nearby, if he is spying on him. Zarek insists that they simply need to get through the current predicament, and move on.
* In a corridor somewhere on ''Galactica'', Narcho leads a team of six rebel marines who are escorting Adama to the launch tube, with Kelly walking behind the group. After some consideration, Kelly breaks off from the group and goes to the [[memorial hallway]], where he drops his rifle and breaks down in tears.
* In a nearby corridor, Tigh and Athena keep watch while Lee opens a service panel and disconnects a power line, causing the main lights to go out. Sounds of gunfire indicate there is still heavy fighting nearby.
* Tyrol continues to crawl through service tubes, this time crawling behind a latrine. He coughs and gags at the smell.
* In the memorial hallway, Lee confronts Kelly, who is nearly catatonic with grief. He finally admits to Lee that the others are planning on executing Adama in the main launch tube. Lee moves to punch Kelly, but Tigh pulls him away. As they run to the hangar deck, Kelly picks up his rifle and runs after them, yelling, "I'm coming with you!"
* On the rebel Baseship, Baltar dreams of Adama's death by firing squad, which wakes him violently. In bed with him, Lida attempts to comfort him, but Baltar rebuffs her, saying that he has run for his life yet again. She tells him that fear makes people act differently, but he says that he did not run out of fear this time.
* For the first time, Baltar admits that he is merely playing the role of religious leader to humor his followers, and that he privately scorns their "provincial intellects" and their unfailing willingness to make him feel better; however, he also admits that he feels responsible for them, and that he must go back.
* On the hangar deck, Adama is tied to a chair in the main launch tube by a marine while Narcho stands nearby, distressed. As Narcho walks towards the eight marines with rifles at the ready, Adama spits.
* From the rebel Baseship, Roslin gives the rebels five minutes to return command to Admiral Adama.
* In CIC, an increasingly concerned Zarek listens to Roslin's ultimatum, and looks around for Gaeta, who is absent.
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta walks to Adama's desk, where he drops the admiral pins on ''Galactica'''s watch log. He then calls Narcho, telling him to carry out the execution.
* On the hangar deck, Narcho replies, "Yes, sir," and hangs up with Tigh pointing a sidearm at his head. Meanwhile, Lee unties his father from the chair in the launch tube, and Kelly and Athena have their rifles pointed at eight marines, all disarmed and kneeling with hands behind their heads.
* Adama is overjoyed to see Tigh, whom he was told was dead. Tigh replies that for a while, he was.
* Adama addresses the kneeling, disarmed marines, saying, "I'm gonna take back my ship." Adama then addresses Narcho, who tells him that while he has always respected him, he hates the Cylons, and he cannot take orders from a leader who won't fight them. At this, Tigh raises his weapon to Narcho's head, but Adama orders him to stand down, and orders Narcho to be tied up instead.
* Sitting at Adama's desk, Gaeta removes his prosthesis and scratches the stump underneath.
* Deep in the bowels of ''Galactica'', Tyrol finally has enough room to crouch rather than crawl, allowing him to move faster.
* In CIC, Zarek orders Vireem to pass him through to Roslin. As Gaeta walks into CIC, Zarek addresses Roslin on the rebel Baseship, introducing himself as the President of the Twelve Colonies. He announces that Tigh was killed in an escape attempt, and that Adama was tried, found guilty of his crimes, and was executed by firing squad earlier that morning. Zarek insists that Roslin think of the welfare of the people of the Fleet, and surrender.
* Roslin vehemently refuses, vowing to use every weapon at her disposal to come after Zarek and the other mutineers. The weapon emplacements on the Baseship open, targeting ''Galactica''.

=== Act 4 ===
* In CIC, after Zarek's statements to Roslin, Gaeta remarks that now they have a military leader and a president in one. Zarek questions how Gaeta would have handled the situation, had he been there.
* Gage indicates that the Baseship is arming itself, and that they are jump ready. Gaeta orders the board be set to green, and a crew member inserts the FTL key at gunpoint.
* Tyrol rushes down a set of stairs in ''Galactica'''s FTL engine room.
* Adama marches towards CIC, leading an increasingly large group of marines, officers, and enlisted crew.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol breaks open the door to the auxiliary control station, and attempts to shut down the FTL drive with his command code.
* As Adama and his group of loyalists continue their march to CIC, Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, commanding ''Galactica'' to surrender.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol's command code is denied (as he is not currently in active duty). Instead he looks to some nearby machinery and, with some effort, removes a [[Sync coil|vital component]] and shuts down the FTL drive.
* In CIC, Gage announces the FTL drive's shutdown. Zarek begins ordering crew members to look into it, but no one moves. He tells Gaeta to launch Vipers to defend themselves, but Gaeta ignores him, and instead recalls his own words: "One day soon there's gonna be a reckoning."
* Gage announces that gun batteries have fixed target bearings and are ready to fire. With Zarek at a near-panic, Gaeta realizes they are defeated, and orders a weapons hold.
* Adama arms himself with the sidearm from a nearby marine, and the group storms CIC. No resistance is offered by the mutineers who, outmatched, surrender without a fight.
* Adama gets on the wireless, identifies himself, confirms that he has retaken command, and tells Roslin to stand down. Roslin, Baltar, and even the Cylons are relieved to hear his voice with Roslin and at least one Eight in tears.
* Zarek, Gaeta, and the other mutineers are taken away at gunpoint. While Gaeta and Adama exchange a stare, Adama has nothing to say to his fomrer loyal officer and merley gestures for Kelly and Athena to take him away.
* In the FTL engine room, an exhausted Tyrol drops the component as the massive FTL drive slowly come to a halt. As he turns to the bulkhead, he notices some significant structural damage which concerns him greatly.
* On ''Galactica'', Roslin climbs down a ladder and, seeing Adama alive for the first time since she boarded the Raptor, cries tears of joy. The two leaders walk together, his arm around her.
* In Gaeta's quarters, Gaeta and Baltar are smoking cigarettes - something Gaeta has not been seen doing for quite some time and drink coffee which Gaeta calls the "spoils of war." Gaeta is telling Baltar of the many careers he once dreamed of pursuing: architecture, medicine, engineering, photography, and finally, science.
* Baltar, on the verge of tears, begins to say something, but Gaeta stops him. He assures Baltar that he is fine with the way things turned out, and that his only wish is that eventually, people realize who he is. Baltar tells Gaeta that he knows who he is.
* Gaeta and Zarek are seated in the main launch tube of the hangar deck, with Adama, Lee, Tigh, and Baltar standing behind the firing squad.
* Just before Adama orders the execution detail to fire, Gaeta looks down at his severed leg in astonishment and remarks, "It stopped" refering to the intense pain he has had since he lost his leg.
*The squad fires, killing Gaeta and Zarek.

== Notes ==
*The punchline of [[Talk:Blood_on_the_Scales#Zarek.27s_Joke|the joke]] that [[Tom Zarek]] tells [[Racetrack]] as he is escorted from the flight deck suggests that pedophilia by priests may have been an issue among the [[Religion_in_the_Twelve_Colonies_(RDM)|clergy of the Twelve Colonies]], similar to [[w:Abuse_by_members_of_Roman_Catholic_orders|anecdotes and allegations]] involving the Roman Catholic Church.
*The [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] were murdered on Zarek's order for supporting President Roslin. [[Lee Adama]] survived as he wasn't present during the Quorum session. Two other regular Quorum members (Gemenon Delegate and one other delegate) were replaced by temporary stand-ins (who were killed), and their fate is unknown.
*Romo Lampkin while being forced to serve as Adama's lawyer during his trial he referred to two looming Marine guards as "Wynken and Blynken". This was in reference to the poem of ''[[Wikipedia:Wynken, Blynken, and Nod|Wynken, Blynken, and Nod]]'', a late 19th century Dutch child's lullaby by [[Wikipedia:Eugene Field|Eugene Field]] about three fishermen fishing in the starry night in the sky with the help of the moon and uses a magic wooden shoe as their boat.<ref>[http://www3.amherst.edu/~rjyanco94/literature/eugenefield/poems/poemsofchildhood/wynkenblynkenandnod.html Wynken, Blynken, and Nod" Lullaby]</ref>
*This episode marks the death of Felix Gaeta and Tom Zarek, who are executed by firing squad for their mutiny against Adama and the government.
*The character Captain Kelly was last seen during season 3 when he was arrested for his bombing and assassinations of Baltar's lawyers. His character has appeared intermittently since the show began and it is fitting that he would be a double-turn coat as he was part of the original senior staff and his love for Admiral Adama is proven to be stronger than his hatred for the Cylons.
*The events depicted in "The Oath" and "Blood on the Scales" cover approximately nine hours: Tigh enters Adama's quarters at 0620 at the beginning of "The Oath", culminates with Gaeta seizing the CIC at 0922, and concludes with Adama and his loyalists retaking the CIC at 1532 in "Blood on the Scales". The executions of Gaeta and Zarek, however, take place at an unspecified time later.
*The firing-squad executions of Gaeta and Zarek mark the first time a method of execution other than [[airlock|airlocking]] has been used on screen (apart from the non-judicial summary executions in ''[[Razor]]''), although the action takes place in the same location where most recent airlocking incidents have occurred. In "[[Dirty_Hands#Act_4|Dirty Hands]]", Admiral Adama threatens to have [[Cally Tyrol]] shot as a mutineer, suggesting that the firing squad is the standard means of execution for humans that commit mutiny.
*The ship's [[FTL]] drive is seen for the first time.
*Baltar becomes involved with a previously-unseen copy of [[Number Six]] (referenced off-screen by the name [[Lida]]). Discounting his [[Messengers|Messenger Six]], this makes the third copy of Six with whom he has had relations, after [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Gina Inviere]].

== Analysis ==
*Despite all of the support that Gaeta and Zarek seemed to have at the beginning of the mutiny, Roslin and Adama had more support from people opposed to it and possibly people who rethought it like Kelly. On Roslin and Adama's side were ''Galactica's'' senior staff (the members of CIC were either people on Gaeta's side or forced to work at gunpoint by marines), at least most of the crew given how many people joined Adama's march to CIC, the Quorum of Twelve and the Cylons and Baltar's followers. Gaeta and Zarek had the supporters they'd managed to gather amongst ''Galactica's'' crew and about 25 ships who refused Roslin's order to stand down FTL drives. In the end Adama and Roslin were successful because the people supported them more and Adama had enough respect from his crew that he was able to turn a lot back to his side just by stating his intention to retake the ship and walking by others. Gaeta and Zarek had to use force to get what they wanted. Many people, both in support of Gaeta/Zarek and in opposition, were killed. Given the death count, 40 in the first four hours of the mutiny, from 06:32 hours when Zarek was released from the Brig to sometime after 10:30 hours when Adama and Tigh are captured in the stowage bay (with most of the killing starting shortly after 09:02 hours after Capt. [[Kara Thrace]] rescues Delegate [[Lee Adama]] in the Hanger Deck. [[Peter Laird]] was the very first death, occuring shortly before 07:00 hours.), the attack on those Loyal to Adama was vicious. The break down of mutineer and loyalist deaths hasn't been given yet, but it is most likely that most of these deaths were those loyal to Adama since Gaeta/Zarek forces had the elements of both surprise and preparation in their favor. The 40 figure only represents the deaths by the end of "[[The Oath]]", near the approximate halfway point of the mutiny at 10:30 hours. With the retaking of CIC by Adama and Tigh, the mutiny ended at 15:32 hours, approximately nine hours elapsed time (there may have been resisters after that time not wishing to be taken into custody). Mutiny death figures since 10:30 hours, including the murder of the Quorum delegates, will be reflected in the survivor population count after the teaser of "[[No Exit]]" unless otherwise indicated.
*Gaeta's sudden lack of pain in his amputated leg signals that his chronic pain (which he tried to numb with painkillers during the webisodes) was partially psychological. Once he was at peace with who he was and what he had done, his mental pain and much of his physical pain and itching disappeared. His last words acknowledged that the irritation had stopped.
*The marines who eventually joined Adama's side near the end of the episode indicates that other mutineers simply were part of the coup out of self-preservation or at least wanting to be on the "winning" side. Once it was clear that Adama and the senior staff were rising up and reclaiming the ship, the marines, and others finally arose as well.
*By sparing Narcho's life, Admiral Adama characteristically shows his love and compassion for those who serve under him. Despite his speech of "no forgiveness" in "The Oath", it is clear that Adama will attempt to give the some of the mutineers a second chance.
**Not likely, the podcast for Deadlocked says they were all imprisoned on the ''Astral Queen''.
**Adama grants clemency to those volunteering for the rescue of Hera. However, this was out of a desperate need for as many people as possible and the only ones shown for sure to take it were Nowart, Racetrack and Skulls, the later two of which died in the battle.
*From a pragmatic standpoint, Humanity, such at the verge of extinction anyways, can not afford to lose large numbers of people.
*The mutineers at no point subdued all resistance aboard ''Galactica''. As Adama marched on CIC, many crew members rushed to join him, indicating that they were either still resisting or were waiting for a sign that the tide had turned. CIC also was controlled by Gaeta through the use of marines who held most of the staff at gunpoint.
* Tyrol, while attempting to disable Galactica's jump drive notices odd tears in the hull near the FTL assembly. It is not known whether this was hull stress caused by Tyrol disabling the FTL as the ship was about to jump, or an as-yet unexplained problem that has an impact on Galactica's hull.
**''Galactica'' may be suffering from serious long term metal fatigue and/or cumulative battle damage, as evidenced by the bulkhead deformation Tyrol discovers in the FTL drive room. Over the course of the series, Tigh has made a number of comments on ''Galactica's'' worsening structural condition, especially in absence of any possibility for repair at a shipyard. The ship itself is 50+ years old and has seen combat in two wars against the Cylons, and after all the damage its taken - the [[Battle of New Caprica]] being the most obvious example - it is not all that surprising to see the ship's structural integrity begin to fail like this.
** It is extremely unlikely that the damage witnessed by Tyrol was a result of his improper shut-down of the FTL, a tear of that size in metal would likely have been extremely loud and Tyrol does not notice the damage until he just happens to glance up at it. While it is possible that the FTL drive spun up would be louder than the sound of such a crack there is also no strong vibrations shown either in engineering or on the bridge, which would no doubt accompany such a large tear. Given that the area where Tyrol is an auxiliary control center, which is unlikely the be manned unless there is a problem with the FTL drives or for periodic maintenance, it is eminently possible that the tear has been there for some time since it has been quite some time since Galactica has been depicted as having FTL problem. However, as were are dealing with a device that can bend time and space, nothing can be completely discredited at this point.
*Roslin threatens to attack ''Galactica'' if Gaeta and Zarek do not surrender. Numerous missile emplacements are then shown opening along the arms of the rebel basestar. Due to the known incompetence of ''Galactica's'' mutineer crew (Gage being unable to jam Roslin's transmission in [[The Oath]] without Gaeta's help), the chaos aboard ''Galactica'' with a mutiny still ongoing, and ''Galatica's'' status as an undermanned vessel, it is possible that the basestar could have successfully engaged and destroyed ''Galactica'' or at least severely damaged her enough to prevent her escaping.
*Captain Kelly, after having been locked up in the brig for his attempts to assassinate Baltar's lawyers, still holds a deep love for the Galactica and her commander. As he was a part of the original senior leadership (3rd in command as shown after Adama's near-assassination), his nostalgic comments with Tyrol indicated his withering resolve to be part of the coup. In addition, being a witness to the cruelty of Zarek with the Quorum was probably the first catalyst for his repentance.
*Gaeta, prior to his execution, is shown smoking and having drinks with Baltar. This is significant as Gaeta is rarely shown smoking during the show, and when it is shown, it was done when Gaeta finally felt free to be who he wanted to be. The first time was during his taped interview with D'Anna where he "let his hair down" so to speak. Incorporating a final smoke for Gaeta seemed appropriate to allow the audience to see a humanized Gaeta again.
*Gaeta and Baltar have a civil conversation before Gaeta's execution indicating that the two have forgiven each other for thier past transgressions: Gaeta trying to kill Baltar and Baltar's involvement with the Cylons on New Caprica.
*Baltar, despite admitting to not really liking his followers, has developed a sense of responsibility towards them as shown when he's speaking with [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]] about them and deciding to go back. This is the first time that Baltar has been shown to truly care about something besides himself indicating he may have changed somewhat.
*Dialogue in this episode indicates there are 35 civilian ships left in the fleet. This is the first time since abandoning [[New Caprica]] that significant information on the number of ships left in the fleet has emerged. This number doesn't seem to tally with the observed losses in the fleet since the first season, although the number of ships has been portrayed inconsistently throughout the miniseries and the main seasons (a figure in the mid 70s being mentioned in [[Home, Part I]]). The figure of 35 stated here- indicating a loss of half the fleet's ships- seems somewhat inconsistent with a the human population that has only declined by about one fifth since the arrival of Pegasus's crew which bolstered the number of survivors to close to 50,000. Ships being abandoned on New Caprica or afterwards may explain this strikingly low number unless it is a continuity error. If 35 is a correct figure, the other ships in the fleet must have somehow found a way to take a huge number of extra people aboard.
**It is possible that the 35 civilian ships that were mentioned were the total number of ships that had initially sided with Zarek and Gaeta, rather than the entire number of ships in the fleet. If they had been ready to jump at Zarek and Gaeta's order, their FTL drives would have been spun up. With Roslin's broadcast, though, 10 of the 35 would have switched sides again and shut down their FTLs, indicating the end of their desire to follow the coup leaders.
*Ronald D Moore has commented that ''Galactica'' is severely undermanned at this point and therefore large parts of the ship are empty, making it easier for mutineers and counter-mutineers to move around unobserved. This however is contradicted by the fact that ''Galactica'' now has the crew of ''Pegasus'' aboard and the ship has in fact been seen to be overcrowded. Even allowing for losses on New Caprica and the fact that ''Pegasus'' was undermanned, the ship should still have a larger crew compliment than when she began her journey. In orbit around New Caprica the two ships still had over 2000 personnel still serving and doubtless most if not all former crew re-enlisted after the evacuation of New Caprica. Galactica's combined crew have not been seen to have taken any substantial losses since leaving New Caprica that would leave much of the ship empty. This may be a retcon or continuity error. It should be noted, however, that a large proportion of the people on the ship following the escape from New Caprica were civilians who may have since been relocated. Furthermore, it may be that only certain areas of the ship - such as the living quarters - are overcrowded. The exact number of personnel that a fully manned ''Galactica'' should have is unknown.
*Despite [[Sharon Agathon]]'s vision-induced paranoia of a Six taking her daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]<ref>Sharon kills [[Natalie]] in "[[Sine Qua Non]]" when she sees the latter with Hera in a corridor after Sharon, President Roslin, and Caprica-Six all have a vision of a Six absconding with Hera at the opera house.</ref>, she does not protest [[Caprica-Six]] carrying Hera while Sharon supports her injured husband, [[Karl Agathon|Karl]]. It must be remembered that it was Caprica Six who aided in the escape of Athena with Hera from the Baseship after she got Helo to kill her so she would resurrect on the Baseship and recover their daughter. Caprica Six killed [[Sharon Valerii]] ("Boomer", who later resurrected) after Valerii tried to kill Hera for rejecting her and then Caprica Six helped get both Athena and Hera off the Baseship. Ironically, Caprica Six is the only character who has been seen specifically committing infanticide (not counting Baltar's dream about Adama drowning Hera).<ref>Caprica-Six snaps a human infant's neck in her first scene in the [[Miniseries]].</ref>
*Assuming the writers maintained their preference to mirror real-world military traditions, the firing squad assembled to execute Gaeta and Zarek would likely be composed of low-level mutineers who were treated with leniency and then required to seal their loyalty (and feelings of guilt) by executing their former conspirators.
*It isn't clear whether Gaeta and Zarek were given any sort of trial before being executed. Given Adama and Roslin's preference (albeit sometimes waveringly so) for maintaining the rule of law, it would be surprising if the lead mutineers were just shot out of hand.
* During Tyrol and Kelly's discussion in the arms locker, Kelly mentions that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was trouble, Tyrol's response "Thanks, it wouldn't have mattered", indicates that, even if he had known that Cally had been sleeping with Hot Dog, he would still have married her. This clearly indicates that Tyrol loved her, and the way in which he says it clearly indicates that he still does. This means that Tyrol's tirade against the Admiral after his wife's death was an act, possibly out of grief, possibly to get himself dismissed from the Deck Crew so he couldn't sabotage anything should he have any hidden programming.
* The Cylons among the fleet are, collectively, more loyal to Roslin and Adama (and more willing to forgive past conflicts) than are the humans.
*Despite Adama's obvious anger towards Gaeta, he may have been somewhat forgiving towards him at the end: Baltar is allowed to visit, it happens in Gaeta's quaters indicating that Adama didn't put him in the brig but locked him in his room and he's smoking cigarettes (which he may have had in his room) and drinks what looks like the Admiral's morning coffee which he calls the "spoils of war" indicating Adama may have given it to him. Also, Adama allows him to die wearing his uniform which he promised he wouldn't allow any of the mutineers to do.

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

* What will become of the other mutineers (Racetrack, Narcho, Seelix, etc)? Will Adama follow through with his promise of "no forgiveness"? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* Who will take over Gaeta's duties? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* What repercussions will the Quorum's assassination have on the Fleet? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* What is the significance of the damage Tyrol discovers in the engine room? Has it been there long, or is it a result of the improper shut down of the FTL drive? Do other areas of the ship show similar signs of damage? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* In the [[Miniseries]], Colonel Tigh tells Lt. Gaeta to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2". Why did Tyrol's deactivation of one FTL drive stop Gaeta from ordering the other's use? Is the other FTL drive still functional?
** Answer: The ship needs both FTL drives to make a proper jump, and Tyrol pulled the [[sync coil]] between the two.
* Will Anders survive his injuries? Were Starbuck and Lampkin even successful in getting him to sickbay? ([[No Exit|Partial Answer]])
* Will Helo survive his injuries? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* How will Baltar's new-found sense of responsibility toward his flock change his behavior? ([[Deadlock|Possible Answer]])
* Will the Cylons' assistance of, and subordination to, President Roslin (and/or Colonial political leaders' fears of being associated with the failed coup d'état) secure them the citizenship and Quorum representation they seek? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* With Zarek dead and Lee Adama being the only surviving member of the Quorum (or one of the few surviving members, considering that two regular delegates were replaced by stand-ins), will he become the new Vice President? ([[No Exit|Possible Answer]])
* Are ''Galactica'''s computers now networked? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* With most of the Quorum dead, will Roslin and Adama use the attempted mutiny as a basis to declare martial law? ([[No Exit|Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* Will Kelly be allowed to resume his duties on ''Galactica''?
* Is the same structural deficiency present near the other FTL drive?
* Will the rebel Cylons become less trusting of the humans as a result of this mutiny? Or will they be more inclined to trust certain humans, such as Roslin, since she managed to convince them to stay and follow her leadership?
* What was that device Roslin and Leoben were using to communicate with the rest of the Fleet?
* Why was Lee Adama - as opposed to Roslin - present at Zarek and Gaeta's execution?
* What will be done to the 25 ships who did not obey Roslin's order to power down their FTL drives?
* Will the FTL upgrades proceed once order has been brought back completely?
* Will there be a faction that will attempt to portray Zarek or Gaeta as martyrs?
* Do the Articles of Colonization include pre-approval language for the joining of the fabled "13th Tribe", now known to be Cylons? Such is often the case of comparable federation constitutions; the United States' former [[wikipedia:Articles of Confederation|Articles of Confederation]] included such language with respect to "Canada" (meaning Ontario) and Bermuda.
* Were Gaeta and Zarek given trials?
* How much time passed between the mutiny and the execution?
* Did Zarek subsequently target the absent members of the Quorum for assassination? Do any of them, other than Lee, live through the mutiny?

== Character Development ==
*''In the [[Miniseries]] (in the teaser) the first time we see Lt. Felix Gaeta and then-Commander Adama, Gaeta was handing him routine reports-and also unknown to them the first indications of trouble-while he was practicing his public address on the occasion of ''Galactica'''s-and his-retirement. It is of note considering what we now know of what the unimaginable future had for them:''

:'''Gaeta''': Morning, sir. (hands him messages) Com traffic from the midwatch.

:'''Adama:''' Morning. (re: messages) Anything interesting?

:'''Gaeta:''' Mostly housekeeping. Oh, there is one odd message we were copied on. (shows him the message) The one from Fleet headquarters. Courier officer's overdue coming back from Armistice station.

:'''Adama:''' Hm.

:'''Gaeta:''' They're asking for a status report on all FTL capable ships in case they need someone to jump out there tomorrow and see if his ship's had a mechanical problem.

:'''Adama:''' I think we're a little busy tomorrow, Mr. Gaeta. What do you think?

:'''Gaeta:''' (grins) Yes, sir. And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years.

:'''Adama:''' It's been my honor, good luck on your next assignment.

*It's also interesting to note that the first time Roslin meets a Number Two, he is trying to sabotage the fleet and she has him executed ([[Flesh and Bone]]); in this episode she and a Number Two are seen cooperating and sharing a friendly moment. It may have even been the same Number Two, as Leoben is still alive and has been prominent among the rebels.

== Official Statements ==
*[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-gaeta-blood-scales-angeli.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Michael Angeli about the episode:], The Six who sleeps with Baltar on the baseship is named [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]].

* ''[[Richard Hatch]] discusses his desire for a [[Tom Zarek]] interview prior to Zarek's execution:''

: I actually want to do the final Tom Zarek interview before he gets blown out the airlock, which they didn’t show, on the show. They had [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] talk to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], but you never got to see what Zarek was feeling. And I always wanted to do the final Zarek interview, you know, a little bit like the [[w:David Frost|David Frost]] interview with [[w:Richard Nixon|[Richard] Nixon]], where you could understand a little more deeply where he was coming from.

: I always wanted to go into that, just because I always felt that some people missed the point. They took sides, on who they liked more, as opposed to seeing what was really happening there. And art is not just about entertainment, not about taking sides; it’s about challenging your thinking, seeing things outside the box and expanding your mind, and seeing things from a larger viewpoint.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II|date=13 August 2009|accessdate=14 August 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*'''Tom Zarek''' (ending a joke to Racetrack): . . . shall we save the kids? And the attorney says, "Frak them". And the priest says, "Do we have time?"
:'''Racetrack''' (after both laugh): "You're gross."
*'''''Tom Zarek''' delivers his ultimatum to '''Laura Roslin''''':
:'''Zarek''': This is Tom Zarek, President of the Twelve Colonies. It's over, Laura. Saul Tigh was killed attempting to escape. Bill Adama was tried and found guilty of his crimes. A firing squad executed him this morning. It's done, Laura. You want to think about the people of this fleet now, and surrender.
:'''Roslin''': No. Not now. Not ever. Do you hear me? I will use every cannon, every bomb, every bullet, every weapon I have down to my own eyeteeth to end you. I swear it!''' ''I'm coming for all of you!'''''
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is disturbed by the sight of the slaughtered Quorum delegates:
:'''Gaeta''': We--we had the truth on our side. Now . . . now . . .
:'''Zarek''': The truth is told by whoever is left standing.
*'''''Lee Adama''' has just thrown a grenade towards the marines guarding the Cylon Prisoners, allowing him and '''Kara Thrace''' to kill them, after which Kara takes cover and Lee looks at her both amused and pleased with himself:
:'''Lee Adama''': ''walking forward and picking up the Grenade'' I never pulled the pin.
:'''Kara Thrace''': Ok, that is not funny.
:'''Lee Adama''': It would have been if you had thought of it.
:'''Kara Thrace''': No, still not funny.
*'''''Laura Roslin''''' broadcasting to the fleet:
:'''Roslin''': This is President Laura Roslin speaking from the Cylon baseship. Felix Gaeta has seized ''Galactica'' by force. The Cylons were defending themselves. They will not harm you. I repeat, the Cylons will not harm you. I am asking all ships' captains not to jump. Do not jump! Shut down your FTL drives!
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is about to be executed for his crimes:
:'''Gaeta''': (referring to the pain from his lost leg) It stopped.
*'''''Gaeta''' pours himself and Baltar a cup of what looks like Admiral Adama's coffee and Baltar looks at it confused:
:'''Gaeta''': Spoils of war.
*'''''Adama''' regains control of CIC and captures '''Gaeta''' and '''Zarek''':
:'''Adama''': ''(to a CIC crewmember)'' Connect me with the President.
:'''Crewmember''': Right away Admiral.
:''(Adama puts down his gun and picks up the phone)''
:'''Adama''': Madam President, this is the Admiral! Stand down! I repeat ''Galactica'' secure, stand down!
:''(Roslin, Baltar and the Cylons are clearly relieved with Roslin and an Eight even crying)''
:'''Roslin''': ''(tearfully)'' Bill!

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate [[Dahlia]]
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Adrian Holmes]] as Marine [[Parr]]

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No Exit

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== Overview ==

:''[[Ellen Tigh]] is [[resurrection (RDM)|resurrected]], and she knows all the answers. [[Samuel Anders]]' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories that help the [[Final Five]] in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] understand their involvement in the great scheme of things.''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===

* A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase "[[Pythia|This has all happened before and it will happen again]]" as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.
* The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of Centurions firing upon humans during the events of [[Razor]].
* As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: "The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models are known]]—one was sacrificed."

* A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

* As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].
* At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, "It's okay. You can do that much," as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion.

* The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].
* In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] tends to [[Samuel Anders]]'s bullet wound to the head inflicted during the mutiny. He prepares to drill holes in Anders's head to relieve pressure from the hematoma caused by the bullet lodged in his skull.
* Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, "Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language..."
* When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.
* Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.

* The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.
* A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. "Hello, John," she says.
* When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.
* They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.
* He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.

* [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. "I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]]," Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.
* Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, "Is that right? So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]]." Tyrol accepts. "Fix my ship, chief."

* The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.

===Act 1===

* The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.
* John discusses how the "mortal experience" that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.
* Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a "[[God (RDM)|living God]]", then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.
* Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.
* Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the "Swirl"]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.

* Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.
* When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]].
* Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.
* Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.
* It was Ellen who made the intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.

* On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.
* Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.
* Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. "It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting."
* Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.

===Act 2===

* Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.
* When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.
* Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.

* Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.
* Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.
* After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Centurions, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.
* Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.
* Thrace stops him. "You said 'eight'." They all realize that the "Significant Seven" was originally eight models. One model was missing.
* Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.

===Act 3===

* Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to ten months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.
* A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|"Temple of Hopes"]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.
* John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.
* Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.
* John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the "carnival trick" left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Final Five merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.
* John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.
* When Ellen replies that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.
* John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.

* Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].
* Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.

* As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.
* Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.

* The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.
* John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some liquor in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of [[The Colony]] where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.
* But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.
* John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.

===Act 4===

* Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.
* But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.
* Anders mentions that they all saw warning signs on Earth that were invisible to other people, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.
* Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.

* Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.

* Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.
* John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.
* Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.
* Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.

===Act 5===

* Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.
* Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.

* Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.

* The admiral returns to his quarters, takes a drink from the bottle, and rinses his face in a sink. When he looks up to the mirror, he discovers cracks in the bathroom wall, shocking him with the extent of ''Galactica'''s damage.

* Back on the baseship, Sharon Valerii comes to take Ellen to surgery. She looks down at the sketch of Saul Tigh and asks Ellen how she can deal with knowing that he may hate her for everything she's done. Ellen responds that, maybe, Saul doesn't, because "love is like that sometimes." Sharon then asks her to put on a surgical gown, which Ellen refuses, believing it to be a useless theatrical prop.

* As they make their way down a corridor, Ellen asks Valerii if she has thought through taking part in John's plans. Valerii responds that she has — and surprises Ellen by bringing her to a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii then races the Raptor out of the baseship, which launches pursuing Raiders. Dodging their gunfire, the Raptor jumps away.

* Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.
* Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.

* Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. "Chief, do whatever you have to do to save our girl."

== Notes ==
[[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for "No Exit"]]

* Prior to this episode being aired, the episode title (and production information) were released on a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.<ref name="flickr">{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, "Hell is other people!"
*As of this episode there were 39,556 survivors. At the start of the Cylon pursuit there were 50,298 survivors, meaning that more than 10,742 have been killed since the pursuit began (because the decrease by deaths is offset by births).
* It has been 18 months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.
* When [[Sharon Valerii]] comes to escort Ellen to surgery, Ellen sardonically remarks that that she "should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]]." A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm.[http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] For the viewing audience, this is a cultural reference to the French Revolution in the 1780's, when many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in tumbrels. In the show's universe, she may be referring to a parallel events on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies.
* Inchon is the name of a port city in Korea and it was the location of a major battle during the [[w:Korean War|Korean War]]. During the battle, UN forces under the command of General [[w:Douglas MacArthur|Douglas MacArthur]] turned the tables on their communist adversaries and went on to drive the North Korean Army out of the Korean peninsula entirely.
* Anders' seemingly-incoherent ramblings in the beginning of the episode include lines from Milton's ''[[w:Paradise Lost|Paradise Lost]]'': "he it was, whose guile/Stird up with Envy and Revenge, deceiv'd The Mother of Mankind" (Book I, ln. 34-5); "The mind is its own place, and in it self/Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n." (ibid. ln. 254-55)
* Kate Vernon's father was also named John.
* The eleven known models in the introduction are shown in the order they were revealed to be Cylons to the audience: Number Six, Number Two, Number Five, Number Eight, Number Four, Number Three, Number One, Galen Tyrol, Samuel Anders, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh.
*Cavil's remark about wanting justice for "(his) forebearers on the Centurion side of the family" is amusingly ironic, considering that the Ones made the call to replace the sentient, if not fully sapient, [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|0005s]] with the [[Cylon Centurion|nonsentient drones]] that the Cylons are currently using.
**Given that the Final Five were allied with the original [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Colonial Centurions]], and the whole point of their journey was to tell humans to treat AIs well, it can't have been their idea to scrap the old Centurions or to install inhibitors in the new ones, can it? Cavil's the only real candidate for that one.
*The experiments Anders refers to, which produced the [[First Hybrid]] and subsequent [[Hybrid]]s, are shown in "[[Razor]]" and the "[[Razor Flashbacks]]".
* The [[Liam Tigh|unborn child]] of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male, as shown by the fact his parents refer to him as "he". This fact is established in the extended version of "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" but not the aired version.

== Analysis ==
*When Ellen was resurrected, her reaction to the event was very similar to Boomer's first resurrection in [[Downloaded]]. However, unlike Boomer, it appears that Ellen's original memories were reactivated and immediately her fear disappeared. This implies that the memory block that each of the Final Five had imposed on them is limited-- i.e 'hardwired' to their particular current physical body. Given that Anders' memories ''are'' there and not 'deleted', just suppressed, indicates that if all of the Final Five were reborn, they would have regained all of their collective memories.
**As confirmed by the show writers, the Cavil model had purposely tampered and prevented the other 6 humanoid Cylon models from remembering or thinking about the Final Five. This appeared to be a physical limitation imposed on all of their copied bodies.
*It is unclear to what extent Cylon memory tampering is a physical/biological process carried out on the body as opposed to memories being captured and adjusted/deleted when stored in a Cylon database and then re- introduced into a body -as is what seems to occur during boxing.
*Cavil clearly intends for the Five to rejoin the other Cylons one day, as he has not totally destroyed (if this is at all possible to do to blocked and stored memories) either the original memories of the Final Five or the knowledge the other six Cylons have of the Five. He has simply suppressed it (as indicated by D'Anna's flashes of the Five when downloading), presumably with the intention of revealing his plan and aforementioned knowledge in due time. Of course Cavil wants the Final Five to return to the fold, but on his terms.
**The resurrected Ellen has a starkly - completely - different personality and attitude compared to her "false memories" counterpart. This Ellen carries many motherly qualities and even has shown love, sadness, and care towards Cavil (John), and is far more intelligent.
**Anders also shows signs of a more intelligent and spiritual personality upon regaining his memories.
*Cavil's attempt to block the memories of the Final Five was not completely successful. Numerous times, especially their time on the post-nuclear Earth, memories from their past would resurface. This explains:
:#How Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five.
:#The visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory, and Tigh had on Earth.
*Cavil not only knew about the Final Five, but he purposely kept their identities a secret and erased their identities from any other Cylon that knew. According to Ellen and Anders, Cavil (John) had developed a warped sense of morality. This morality eventually led to his killing of the Final Five and boxing of their personalities. His path eventually devolved to actions motivated by sadism and jealously upon which he would allow each of the Final Five to be resurrected, but with no memories of their past and implanted with false memories. His motivation for this act was to show the Five how unworthy of existence that humans were. Given that he kept at least one body for each of them, he left open the possibility for them to someday return. However, he would keep them secret unless they agreed with him, like he did with Ellen.
*Given Cavil's warped sense of justice, he is likely the Cylon that triggered the second war. He claims to want justice for the Centurions indicating he may have been the one that precipitated what happened.
*Cavil may be lying about his motives: he claims that he wants justice for the Centurions being enslaved, but demonstrates a lack of respect for them by installing inhibitors that made them non-sentient.
**Cavil's reaction to the Rebel Cylons' disabling of the neural inhibitor may be based on his knowledge of what had occurred with the 13th Tribe's Centurions and with the Twelve Colonies' Centurions. He may be worried that another Centurion uprising would occur.
*In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after-effects of the mutiny as the wounded was in sickbay with an overflow of patients in the outside corridor. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of "[[Blood on the Scales]]". Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aides. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in "[[The Oath]]" you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of [[Peter Laird]] shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour.
*During Boomer's first meeting with Ellen, she offers Boomer an apple from a plate of food. In Judeo-Christian mythology apples are commonly believed to be the fruit of the tree of knowledge that gave Adam and Eve knowledge at the price of their innocence (the fruit is not actually named in the text). While Boomer declined the offered apple, she later did begin to think for herself and forgave Ellen for what she did to the Cylon race and helped her escape from Number One.
* The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.
*There are two possible reasons as to why Adama was initially unwilling to use Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica''.
:#It stemmed from Adama's great love and pride in the ''Galactica''. This love was demonstrated several times during the course of the series, such as when he refused to allow a computer network to be installed. It was also seen in his facial and body reactions whenever he was confronted with the degraded condition of his ship. Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of ''Galactica'' in this episode further confirms this.
:#Another possible reason for his insistence that no Cylon technology be installed in Galactica could be a reaction to prevent another mutiny on the ship. He had no qualms of upgrading ''Galactica's'' and the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology initially. He even permitted Cylons to do the installs originally, but post-mutiny, when confronted with needing a crew to repair ''Galactica's'' internal skeleton, Adama insisted on a human crew. His demand that the repairs be done without Cylon interface may have been a result of him trying to not repeat what had sparked the recently ended mutiny in the first place.
*At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.
*Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.
*Despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, the twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.
* Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experimentation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). This was also alluded to near the end of the episode when Cavil explains to Ellen that they had progress significantly in obtaining memories. Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.
* The Final Five were warned of the coming apocalypse on Earth by [[Messengers#The Final Five's Messengers|images]] that no one else could see. Sam mentions that the messenger he saw was a woman, whereas Tory saw a man. Galen thought, at least at first, that he had a chip in his head (as with Baltar).
*Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.
*Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show; that said, the issue ''was'' addressed in dialogue in "[[Revelations]]" when Adama pointed out how Tigh used to have hair when they met and reiterated the length of time he'd known him.
* The Final Five can resurrect or be "reborn" in the same fashion that the Significant Seven can. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely at this point given the loss of the Hub) might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.
* When the Final Five resurrect, their memories are restored, suggesting the mental blocks only exist in their current bodies. However when the Seven Cylons resurrect, they still have no memories of the Final Five. This indicates that Cavil might well have had to kill and box all the active numbered Cylons once he had boxed the Final Five, allowing him to completely wipe the other six model's memories of the Final Five (as opposed to simply 'blocking' them), or hardwiring every one of the six numbered Cylons bodies (and by default the resulting copies) to suppress information of the Final Five. Killing any active Cylon models who had seen the Final Five before this would have been the only way he could have concealed the identities of the Final Five and effectively 'start over'. If this is so Cavil's brutal actions towards his own fellow six models extends well back before the Cylon Civil War.
**Alternatively, the difference is probably the result of different types of memory blocking programs. Since the Significant Seven are blocked to conceal Cavil's experiment, programming for persistent amnesia makes sense. In contrast, the Final Five are blocked so that they may be educated about the worth of humanity. Thus, programming for temporary amnesia permits restoration of memory upon resurrection so that Cavil may determine whether that individual has learned the desired lesson.
* There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programming. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that the Ones coding skills were limited in comparison to the Final Five's, and/or they had greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.
* While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five (which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.
* It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.
* It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.
* Cavil (John) engages in actions that reveals traits of an [[Wikipedia:Oedipus Complex|Oedipus Complex]] In Greek mythology [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]] killed his own father and married his own mother, engaging in sexual relations and having children with her. However, Oedipus did not know at the time they were his parents. The sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in three senses: She is his creator and he is made in her father's physical image in addition to being given her father's name. In addition, he tortured and abused Saul Tigh, his father and husband of Ellen who were husband and wife both in the distant past and on New Caprica. The major difference is that they are not biologically related to Cavil (as far as it is known) and Cavil knew that Ellen and Tigh were his "parents" unlike Oedipus.
* In the same vein, Cavil's relationship with Boomer is akin to brother-sister incest.
* The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal, and like Oedipus, they didn't know the relationship to each other as "father" and "daughter" at the time of their first meetings. Currently, Saul and Caprica Six do know of the quasi parent-child relationship, as do Tyrol and Sharon Valerii. Cavil's relationship with Ellen and Tigh is more familial as seen thus far by the actions and words of Ellen including "I love you John, because I made you," and her attempt to hug him implying a mother-son relationship. Since Saul Tigh and Caprica Six have no direct memory of their prior relationship, there are no feelings of pseudo-incestuous implications.
*John Cavil's killing of Daniel, the Number 7 model and the destruction of the Seven's copies mirror the biblical (and Koran) story of [[Wikipedia:Cain and Abel|Cain and Abel]] in which Cain murders Abel to gain God's favor. God, Cain and Abel's creator (through [[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam and Eve]]) had favored Abel over Cain when he showed preference for an animal sacrifice Abel made over Cain's offering of food stuffs and Cain resented it. Similarly, Cavil felt that Ellen, his and Daniel's creator, favored Daniel over him (Ellen conceded the possibility that she did) and subsequently destroyed him. In a further parallel Cain was Adam and Eve's first born. Cavil was the first creation of the Final Five, hence his Number One designation while like Abel Daniel was a later birth, in Daniel's case, presumably, creation Number 7 making him Cavil's younger "brother" like Abel was to Cain.
*Another interpretation of Daniel's role could be that his character is linked to the Biblical Daniel, considered a prophet by Christianity. The name "Daniel" means "judged by God". He was a cultured member of the Jewish nobility and became famous for the interpretation of dreams. The most well-known incident was when he was called from exile to interpret a mysterious handwriting by an angel on King Belshazzar's wall, following a sacrilegious feast. He revealed that the days of his kingdom were numbered; indeed, the King was slain that night and a transfer of power occurred. This story, taking into account the mysterious painting on Kara Thrace's wall and her past experiences, could provide a link between the shifting power patterns in the Human-Cylon long-standing power struggle and her special destiny as the harbinger of death, shaping the new order.
*The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married).
**This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multi-layered irony.
* At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place. He also fears that he truly is a disappointment to his creators.
* Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt — something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their "home" ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.
* When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Anders' brain, Anders instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as Anders clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.
*Right before his seizure, Sam Anders saw the other final four and Kara Thrace glowing. This could be a significant vision or merely the result of something pressing on his visual cortex. [[The Music|The music]] is heard during this scene.
* Although we can now be sure that the Final Five had the same personal names in their old lives as they do now, none of their surnames have yet been used in relation to their original selves.
*This episode further displays the Cavils' unity of thought and personality that none of the other models have displayed. After the destruction of the Hub, the original Cavil who started the Civil War, who called Boomer his 'pet Eight' was killed by D'Anna. However, the Cavil who provides a drink to Ellen carries the same thoughts and conclusions as the recently deceased Cavil. This further propagates the notion that the Cavils desire to be more machine than human as each particular Cavil does not appear to show any divergent or creative thought from each other. They appear to all share the same memories and train of thought while other models like the Sixes and Eights have shown time and time again that each individual in the model line can break from the pack so to speak.
*In a not-so-subtle hint to the audience, when Boomer asks Ellen why would she want to love humans and who would she want to love, immediately the scene shifts to Tyrol walking to the waiting area outside of sickbay.
*Ishay's cold response to Kara after Anders' surgery is a subtle hint of the disdain that Ishay has towards the Cylons. Unlike Doc Cottle (who treats his patients the same, human or Cylon), Ishay's facial responses in the last couple of episodes have shown extreme discomfort of treating the Cylons. She will do her job, but her response to Kara's attempts to speak to Anders post-surgery displayed a cold-heartedness towards her "patient." This flies against what is typically prescribed by doctors of comatose patients who would encourage family members to speak to their loved ones in order to stimulate brain activity and maybe revive their patients.
*When Anders mentioned that the 12 Tribes' Centurions had already begun their attempt to create flesh bodies, this did not seem to surprise Anders. This may hint to the 13th Tribe's origins as they may have begun the same way. They as Cylons developed "flesh" bodies and the organic memory transfer technology on Kobol. However, after they found and settled on Earth, this resurrection technology was lost to time and had to be reinvented. The Final Five's negotiated deal with the 12 Tribes' Centurions seemed to be motivated by their desire to not repeat the cycle by giving the Centurions what the 13th Tribes ancestors had achieved. However, their reasoning for not allowing biological reproduction in the 8 humanoid models seemed to indicate a plan to bring Cylon and Human together.
*It would appear that each humanoid Cylon model was given both a name and a model number by the Final Five. The Number One models prefer not to use names. This logically follows the pattern that the John/Cavil models have shown, that they prefer to be more machine than human, thus lean toward using an impersonal identification system vs. the personal names given to them by the Final Five.
*This episode sheds light on why the D'Anna model were able to "see" the Final Five in their post-death and pre-resurrected states, but were unable to recall the faces definitively once they were resurrected into their physical bodies. The Cavils apparently had hardwired all of the Significant Sevens bodies to purposely block out any type of memory that involved the Final Five. They were programmed to not "think" of the Final Five, but as Ellen explained to Boomer, the Significant Seven were given "free will" and it apparently had overridden John's reprogramming.
*The fact that a team of "Simons" were preparing to perform the neural surgery on Ellen suggests that at one point in time the Cavils had revealed Ellen's existence to at least some of the Number Fours. How much they know about her is not clear.
*The Centurion's response to Ellen after her resurrection seems to indicate that the Centurions also know who the Final Five are. The Centurion's reluctance to help Ellen initially indicated that it was unsure whether it was allowed to help her, upon which she reassured it was allowed to.
*The Centurions on Cavil's baseship appear to have not been tampered with or had their neural inhibitors restored as the Centurions on his baseship do not appear as curious of their surroundings as the Rebel Cylons' baseship centurions.
*Ellen's motherly and kind tone towards the Centurion after her resurrection reinforces Anders' explanation later that the Final Five wanted to tell the 12 tribes to treat their Centurions well.
*As he has been for several episodes, the Admiral is shown taking medicine for apparent pain. The nature of his ailment has not yet been revealed.
*Presumably, the Final Five could have copied themselves many times over as they did with the eight models they created, but chose not to.
*Valerii's lack of surprise when Ellen names Galen, Sam, and Saul as among the Final Five shows that she already possessed that information from Cavil.
* The journey of the Final Five from Earth to their first contact with the Centurions took approximately 2000 years, which is roughly the time period between the Earth Holocaust and the First Cylon War. Since they were traveling at close to the speed of light, that means their trip took them only 2000 light years from Earth before they made contact. This implies that either Earth is much closer to the Colonies than expected, or that the Cylons had explored much of the distance between the two systems. If the Five took a straighter path between Earth and the Colonies than the fleet did, they would save time.
* As noted by Moore in the podcast, Saul and Ellen are soulmates who were drawn to each other even after being given false memories by Cavil and inserted into the Twelve Colonies, marrying for what was actually the second time. In contrast, Galen and Tory, described by Sam as "madly in love" in their original lives, have not interacted much at all outside of the secret meetings and their moment together in [[Joe's Bar]]. In fact, when Tory began awakening to her true nature, she was drawn to Sam, not Galen.
* Presumably, Cavil could have given subversive programming to the Final Five along with their false memories, as was done with Boomer, but did not, because the idea was for them to suffer with the survivors, not for them to be saboteurs and spies.
* With the revelation that the Final Five could download (before the Hub was destroyed), it makes sense that they are referred to as "models" despite having been originally born, not built. A genetic formula must exist for each of them to build spare bodies.
* Ironically, Saul Tigh did have an involvement in the First Cylon War, but it was drastically different from what he remembers.
* Sam Anders, Tory Foster, the Tighs, and Galen Tyrol arrived in Colonial space as adults when Bill Adama was a young man and Lee Adama and Kara Thrace hadn't been conceived yet. Given this fact, they are older than they look even disregarding their time travelling at relativistic speed.

== Questions ==
===Characters===
* Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])
* How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?
* Did the Final Five use the same surnames before Cavil altered their memories, as well as the same first names?
* Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship, especially if they recover their first hand memories of their old life? Will Tory reveal to Tyrol that she killed Cally? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Partial answer]])
* Will Boomer and Tyrol manage to rekindle their old relationship, especially now that both are aware that the two of them are Cylons? Will the example of Saul Tigh and Caprica-Six's pregnancy open up to her the possibility of it? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?
* How will Boomer react to Caprica-Six, since she was killed by her at one point?
* How will Boomer react to Athena? How would Athena react to Boomer? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* How will Adama react to Boomer's return, since she did try to assassinate him at the end of Season One? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of Cavil's plot? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer #1]], [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|#2]])
* Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his "primitive" humanoid form?
* Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?
* Do the Simons ([[Number Four]]) and Dorals ([[Number Five]]) know the truth about the Final Five and Cavil's hand in manipulating events and circumstances? If and when they do find out, will they continue to side with him, or will they join the other Rebel Cylons?
* What is the meaning of Anders' ramblings (derived from ''Paradise Lost'') about the mother of mankind being deceived by one whose guile stirred with vengeance? Is there a connection to Ellen and Cavil?
* When did Tyrol acquire all of his knowledge of Cylon technology?
* Is "Cavil" Ellen's maiden name?
* Did Ellen have the same maiden name in both lives?
* How closely, if at all, do the childhoods and relatives in the memories that Cavil gave the Final Five resemble their original ones?
* Do the Final Five remember and have records of incidents like the [[Troy]] mining accident to explain their lack of living relatives?
* How did Anders become a sports celebrity with a fake background? No one would be able to interview his old acquaintances.

===Number Seven===
* Was [[Number Seven]] named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?
* Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?
* Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]? (Answer:No, [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] podcast)
* Besides Cavil, were the other Cylons aware of Number Seven's short-lived existence?

===The Cycle===
* What is the exact nature of this Cycle? How long has it been going on for? Can it ever be broken? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Partial answer]])
* What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name? ([[Caprica pilot|Partial answer]])
* Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?
* What is the significance of the Centurions' form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?
* Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth?
* What/who destroyed Earth? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])
** What happened to the Centurions that destroyed Earth?
*** Based on the remains they discovered, it appeared that the war was mutually destructive. This isn't surprising as any type of nuclear exchange, i.e. the USA and the USSR, was expected to mutually destroy each nation and for the most part, the rest of the planet.
* What is the nature of the "messengers" that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth?
* Sam mentions that Tory saw a man and Sam himself saw a woman, what forms did the others take?
* Were the man and woman Messenger Baltar and Messenger Six?
**If so, were the Sixes modelled on her? And how could the male take the form of a man who would not be born for thousands of years?
* Why did these messengers not also appear to the Final Five before the apocalypse on the Twelve Colonies (presumably)?
* Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica-Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power (which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?
* What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God? ([[Caprica pilot|Partial answer]])
* Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?
* At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space? How did they find out what was going on?
* How did the Final Five approach the Centurions and prove their own nature as humanoid Cylons?
* Did the first generation of the Thirteenth Tribe consist of a limited number of models with copies?
* Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?
* Was the Number Eight model created before or after the demise of the Number Sevens?
* If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?
* Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides Number One/John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew? ([[Caprica Season 2|Possible Answer]])
** Also, is Cavil's personality (complete with the sadistic atheist outlook) based on that of Ellen's father? Was Ellen's father a priest?
* Did the Final Five plan on making any more models beyond Number Eight before they were boxed?
* Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?
* Where do the Basestar Hybrids factor into all of this?
* What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Where does [[Kara Thrace]] fit into all of this? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Why has [[The Music|the song]] written by Anders become a special signal/trigger for the Final Five?
* What is the significance of the Opera House?
* Where do the Raiders factor into all of this?
* What relationships did each of the Five have to each of the models they created?
* Why was the Thirteenth Tribe able to procreate whereas the Significant Eight could not?

===Resurrection Technology===
* Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol?
* Where is this [[The Colony|Colony]] Ellen supposedly stored her resurrection equipment on? Does it have a name? Is Anders aware of it? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* What is the status of the research ship the Final Five used to leave Earth 2,000 years ago? (Answer: It became the core of the Colony, Podcast: Islanded in a Stream of Stars)
* Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?
* Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* Did anyone else on Earth besides the Five contribute to the re-invention of the resurrection technology?
* Given the fact that [[Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] resurrect, and a Number Four asserts in "[[Torn]]" that Raiders, humanoid Cylons and Basestars are created from the same genetic pool, did the Five create them as well?

===What is a Cylon?===
* What exactly is the nature of the humanoid Cylons? Are they cyborgs—a combination of organic and inorganic material—or are they completely organic—like [[wikipedia:Blade Runner|''Blade Runner'']]'s [[wikipedia:Replicants|Replicants]]. They seem able to pass normal medical examinations, including presumably CAT scans, indicating that they are wholly organic. Yet they call themselves "machines" and exhibit striking differences, such as the ability to interface with fiber optics, indicating that they are cyborgs.
**Chances are overwhelming that they are not Cyborgs. The Colonials had the opportunity to examine dead humanoid Cylon bodies on more than one occasion including Boomer's and Natalie's since they were killed on Galactica and at least Boomer's body was sent to the morgue where very likely Dr. Cottle did intensive [[wikipedia:autopsy|autopsies]] at his leisure. The bodies were likely subjected to [[wikipedia:CAT scan|CAT scans]] and [[wikipedia:MRI|MRI scans]] and standard X-Rays as well as traditional [[wikipedia:dissection|dissectional]] autopsy. This is in addition to treating Cylons many times for injuries like on New Caprica, and with Athena's pregnancy and radiation sickness. Gaius Baltar also would had had opportunity to examine Cylon physiology. Any non biological "components" that the Cylons would had had would had been discovered by now. Abilities like Athena's and other Eights (if not other Models) ability to interface with standard computers with cable leads are likely genetic alterations of their nervous systems, which in humans carry electrical impulses to the brain. The Cylons probably genetically modified it for the humanoid Cylons so their nervous system could interface and the nerve ending's electrical impulses could carry data to and from standard electronic equipment. Most Colonial data cabling is optical, though, [[Data-font|requiring highly specialized cells]]. Photo-receptor cells are found in the human eye, so genes for those proteins are present in human DNA, but bio-luminescence (esp. fast enough to keep up with computer data rates) is quite another matter. In any case, the ''Blade Runner'' Replicants are perhaps the proper comparison. Indeed, Ronald D. Moore has borrowed the term "skinjob", a derogatory term for a humanoid Cylon from the same term for a Replicant in ''Blade Runner'', which was also derogatory.
* Is there any difference between birthed humanoid Cylons, such as the original Final Five and the other residents of Earth, and constructed humanoid Cylons, such as Nos. 1-8 and the replacement Final Five bodies?
**Highly unlikely that there are significant differences. Ellen Tigh herself stated that they created the Eight Cylon models to be as close to human as possible. The birth of [[Hera Agathon]] to the Cylon Sharon Agathon ("Athena") and the Human Karl Agathon did not reveal any unusual occurrences while given birth pass the normal complications one expects from human reproduction. Indeed, Dr. Cottle once sardonically complained during Sharon's emergency delivery that the Cylons didn't improve the reproductive organs of the female Cylons: "I find it absolutely amazing. You people went to all the trouble to appear human and didn't upgrade the plumbing!" ([[Downloaded]]) As of "No Exit" Dr. Cottle has not noted any significant differences between human gestation and the Cylon-Cylon pregnancy of Caprica-Six.
* If the humanoid Cylons are cyborgs, how is it possible for their inorganic components to grow and mature?
* If the humanoid Cylons are completely organic, what exactly distinguishes them from Humans? It must be something pretty obvious in the skeletal structure since all of the bodies found on Earth were easily identified as being Cylon.
** Assuming most of the remains uncovered date from 2,000 years prior to the fleet arriving at Earth, it's possible that some sort of genetic markers can still be found in their bone marrow, which allow the Cylons to identify them as their own.
* If humanoid Cylons are in fact different from Humans, how are the two species able to successfully interbreed?
** Since Colonial medicine can't distinguish Humans from humanoid Cylons, it would seem that they are compatible at a genetic level. Maybe the non-Human component is passed through some nano-technology which is passed to offspring at the moment of fertilization (of course this would possibly turn the host into a Cylon also - is this Starbuck's secret? Did she become a Cylon through the experiments on the Farm?).
**Dr Cottle has on at least one occasion referred to the the Cylons as a human subspecies, which would indicate that they have genetic differences with baseline humans but that these are much too small to stop successful cross breeding. In the real world it is actually not uncommon for two species of the same genus to be able to interbreed, although their offspring is almost never fertile. If Hera is the mother of modern humanity then the humanoid cylons are clearly mcuh more similar to humans than lions are to tigers.
* Does the fact that they '''can''' interbreed mean that Humans and Cylons really '''are''' the same species, and that the apparent differences are only "skin-deep," such as the superficial differences in appearance between Asians, Africans and Europeans on our Earth?
* If the humanoid Cylons are similar to Colonial humans, then how is it that they have exhibited superior strength and speed on numerous occasions?

===Other Questions===
* What became of the lower level mutineers in "[[The Oath]]" and "[[Blood on the Scales]]"? Were they prosecuted for their actions, or were they given an amnesty in spite of Adama's earlier threat that there would be "no forgiveness" for any mutineer? ([[Deadlock#Official Statements|Answer]])
* How do Ellen and Boomer intend to locate the Fleet?
* Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?
* Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* And for what it's worth: Is maybe ''Galactica'' "the dying leader"? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
** How about Adama? (What is he taking the pills for?)
* Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?
* Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?
* How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] be resolved?
* How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?
**Bio-engineering and jump drives represent different realms of technology and are not directly related. Progress in one is therefore not a prerequisite for progress in the other.
**The thirteenth tribe lived on a single planet while the Colonials lived on twelve different planets. Advancing space travel technology would be more of a priority for the Colonials.
* If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?
** The 12 Tribes' Centurions/Cylons had over 40 years to improve upon Colonial Jump-technology. As it has been shown numerous times during the show, Cylons had developed technologies that are far-more advanced than Colonial technology. As they had 40 years of isolation to test and improve upon designs, it is not inconceivable to see how a race of cybernetic creatures would constantly improve upon technology. For example, the current line of Centurions vs. the original Centurions are far more advance in technology and battle effectiveness.
* Right before going into surgery, Sam maniacally pleaded that Saul "stay with the fleet" and also mentioned that a "miracle from the angels" was coming. What is he referring to? Will Saul and the other Cylons heed his request? ([[Deadlock|Answer #1]], [[Daybreak, Part II|Possible Answer #2]])
* Where did Boomer's Raptor come from? ([[Torn|Answer]])
* When Ellen said that the Final Five had backtracked the path their ancestors used to find Earth, did they do so only through documented evidence (starcharts, books, etc.), or did they find physical signposts such as the Ionian Nebula, the Lion's Head beacon, and Kobol?
**It seems unlikely that the Five could have physically backtracked along the trail of their ancestors, given the fact that they did not possess FTL technology.
* Given that Cavil has the most knowledge of Cylon programming and design out of the Significant Seven, is he responsible for the sleeper agent status of Boomer? ([[The Plan|Answer]])

==Character Development==
* ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since "[[The Hub]]". She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil since shortly after the Cylon occupation of Caprica. When she first downloaded, after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica, she still thought of herself as a human, had a human outlook, and hated her Cylon being. She even kept her old apartment on Caprica. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had, from her point of view, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''

:Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god?

:Caprica Six: Look, God loves you.

:Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon!

:''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil after the failure of the [[New Caprica]] occupation, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''

:Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?

:Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.

:Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love? [Followed immediately by a scene beginning with a shot of Chief Tyrol.]

:''Her attitude toward love seems not only to have been influenced by Cavil, but also is an reaction over her experiences of the failure of the New Caprica experiment and the rejection by [[Hera]], fellow Eight [[Sharon Agathon]]'s child from which she probably felt that being a Cylon she will never know the love of a child of her own. In reaction, she almost killed Hera but was prevented from doing so by Caprica Six. After which she seemed to had made the decision to follow the virulently anti-human Cavil, the very antithesis of what she previous believed. This is possibly a symptom of an emotional compensation coping mechanism due to her traumatic experiences.''

== Official Statements ==
Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Jane Espenson and Ryan Mottesheard about the episode:<ref>[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html "You asked, they answered: 'Battlestar Galactica' writers take on your 'No Exit' questions"], chicagotribune.com.</ref>
* "The Colony" is definitely of significance.
* The Earth was destroyed by an uprising of Centurions that the humanoid Cylons created.
* Cavil kept at least one blank body for each of the Five. The fact that none were killed in the war until Ellen died at her husband's hands is a source of frustration for him.
* Cavil probably wouldn't be happy in a metal body either.
* Like the Ones and Sevens, the Twos, Threes, Fours, Fives, Sixes, and Eights did at one time know and interact with the Final Five, but the Ones corrupted their memories and programmed them not to think of the Final Five.
* The Final Five, and presumably the whole Thirteenth Tribe, were originally polytheists like the other twelve tribes. They became monotheists after encountering the monotheistic Colonial Centurions, who believed in a loving and merciful God, a belief system the Final Five incorporated into the Significant Eight.
* It is re-iterated that Tigh did not actually serve in the first war, but was given fake memories of having done so. His friendship with Adama dates back to their service on a freighter together a few years after the war.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
''John Cavil had just shown a "slide show" - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his human form and his deep seated resentment to Ellen and the other Finals for foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''

:John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star supernova?

:Ellen: No.

:John: No? [[Eye_of_Jupiter|Well, I have]]. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there, I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ''ridiculous'' gelatinous orbs in my skull! With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.

:Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as ''human'' as possible.

:John: I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN! I want to see [[w:gamma rays|gamma rays]]! I want to hear [[w:X-rays|X-rays]], and I -- I want to -- I want to smell [[w:dark matter|dark matter]]! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to -- I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the [[w:solar wind|solar wind]] of a supernova flowing over me! I'm a machine, and I could know much more, I could experience so much more, BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY? Because my five creators thought that ''God'' wanted it that way!

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
* [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]

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:''This article discusses the religion of the Colonies as seen in the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For summary information on the Kobollian religion from the [[Original Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)]].''
:''For information on the various mythologies used in ''Battlestar Galactica'', see [[Mythological references]].''

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The dominant '''religion of the Twelve Colonies''', which the various characters of ''Battlestar Galactica'' practice to greater or lesser extent, is a [[Wikipedia:polytheism|polytheistic]] faith<ref>The Colonial deities are very similar to the [[Wikipedia:Greek mythology|Olympic gods]] of Greek mythology on the real-world Earth.</ref> with a strong emphasis on the philosophy of [[Wikipedia:Eternal return|eternal return]]. There is a several variations of this faith practiced by different groups.

==Origin==
[[Image:Pythia.jpg|right|thumb|A portion of the Sacred Scrolls, specifically, a portion of the Book of [[Pythia]].]]
The eternal-return aspect between the peoples of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] suggest a parallel or reverse-origin with humanity as a whole, or the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] that presumably populated it. See [[History of the Twelve Colonies]] for more analysis.

In the burial scene of the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] states, "Life here began out there,<ref>This phrase is a homage to the [[Original Series]], where each episode began with this phrase in a voice-over introduction.</ref>" reminding the assembly that this was the first line of the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the principle religious tome of the Colonial faith, told to them by the Lords Of Kobol many centuries ago.
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==Belief==
===The Lords of Kobol===
Colonial religion is centered on the Lords of Kobol. In the Re-imagined Series and ''Caprica'', eleven Lords of Kobol have been positively identified:
* [[Zeus]] - The leader of the Lords. [[Tom Zarek]] has twice referred to [[William Adama|Bill Adama]] as "Zeus" ("[[Bastille Day]]", "[[The Farm]]", as a play on [[Lee Adama]]'s callsign).
* [[Aphrodite]] - The lady of love and sexuality. Kara Thrace prays often to this Lord ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
* [[Apollo, Lord of Kobol|Apollo]] - Zeus' son, said to be the lord of the hunt and of healing ([[Bastille Day]]).
* [[Ares]] - The lord of war. The [[Nicholas Tyrol|infant son]] of [[Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] is [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to this Lord of Kobol ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).
* [[Artemis]] - Twin sister of Apollo, lady of the hunt. [[Kara Thrace]] prays often to this Lord ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
* [[Asclepius]] - The lord of healing ([[Escape Velocity]]).
* [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Athena]] - This lord committed suicide "out of despair over the exodus of the thirteen tribes" ([[Home, Part II]]). Her [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] holds a map to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).
* [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn]] ([[Maelstrom]])<ref>Aurora is the Roman counterpart of the Greek [[w:Eos|Eos]]. Eos is one of the [[w:Titans (mythology)|Titans]]. Since the Lords of Kobol are modeled after the [[w:Twelve Olympians|Twelve Olympians]] however, this could indicate that she is not one of the Lords, but belongs to another group of deities.</ref>.
*[[Hecate]] - Shapechanging goddess of the underworld ([[Caprica pilot]]).
* [[Hera, Lord of Kobol|Hera]] - Wife of Zeus. A [[Gates of Hera|mountain ridge]] on Kobol is named after her ([[Home, Part II]]), and the [[Hera Agathon|first Cylon/human hybrid child]] is named for this lord ([[Downloaded]]).
* [[Poseidon]] - [[Gaius Baltar]] mentions this deity in a conversation with [[Tracey Anne]] ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). Deckhand [[Brooks (RDM)|Brooks]] also prays to this lord. ([[The Face of the Enemy]])

The Colonials appear to use multiple names for their lords, interchanging "Mars" for "Ares", "Jupiter" for "Zeus", and so on.<ref>Curiously, [[Laura Roslin]] mentions that the 134th day of the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]] is Mars Day ([[Occupation]]), suggesting that Ares may also be called by his alternate Roman pantheon's name. The same happens again in "[[The Passage]]" when Zeus is referred to by the name of his Roman counterpart Jupiter.</ref>

====Afterlife====
Believers think that they will go to [[Fields of Elysium]] after death if they led a good life ([[Faith]]). <ref>This is clearly a direct parallel to the ancient Greek [[w:Elysium|Elysian Fields]], the part of the [[w:Hades|underworld]] corresponding to "heaven". The visual image of a ferry crossing a river also parallels the river [[w:Styx|Styx]].</ref>

==== Paradise Lost ====
According to the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the gods once shared a paradise-like existence with the people of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. Later circumstances forced the exodus of the human population of Kobol to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] and [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and lead to Athena's suicide.

The existence of the Lords of Kobol is attested to by the survival of numerous artifacts, including the [[Arrow of Apollo]], the [[Tomb of Athena]] and the [[Gates of Hera]]. However, although she accepts their historic authenticity, [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]], a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], questions their actual divinity.<ref>There is a notion in fan circles that there are twelve lords of Kobol, by analogy to the twelve Cylon models, twelve Colonies, and perhaps the [[w:Twelve Olympians|Twelve Olympians]] of Greek mythology. A post from [[Ron D. Moore]]'s blog [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/03/index.html#a000023 on March 12, 2005] loosely alludes on this coincidence, but further official sourcing has not been revealed.</ref>

====The Jealous God====
[[Elosha]] states that the exodus from Kobol was precipitated when "one jealous god began to desire that he be elevated above all the other gods, and the war on Kobol began."<ref>From a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]] cut from the episode "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]".</ref> This figure may be related to or identical with "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|the one whose name cannot be spoken]]", whose [[Temple of Five|temple]] is discovered in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]".

====The Path of Olympus====
[[Tom Zarek]] conveys to [[Laura Roslin]] and her [[Laura Roslin faction|followers]] the news that Commander [[William Adama]] had resumed command of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' after the attempt on his life by saying: "Zeus has returned to '''Olympus'''" ([[The Farm]]).<ref>In Greek mythology, the home of the gods on Earth resided high atop Greece's highest mountain, Mount Olympus, at a time where access to the mountain summit would be almost impossible with the inhabitants' technology of that age.</ref> By Zarek's comment we can infer that Colonial religion appears to acknowledge the existence of a place called Olympus. It cannot yet be determined, however, if Olympus was thought of as the residence of the gods at a specific physical or ''metaphysical'' location of Kobol, as there has been no mention of Olympus elsewhere in the series. If Olympus is a metaphysical locale, this may contradict [[Elosha]]'s comment that the gods and man lived on Kobol together in harmony. On the other hand, according to the ancient Greek poem ''[[w:Theogony|Theogony]]'' by Hesiod, the gods lived together with humankind until Prometheus' deception at Mecone, after which they dwelt exclusively on mount Olympus and humans exclusively on Earth. Perhaps, then, some transgression caused the Lords of Kobol and humankind to part paths.

===Other Mythological Names in Colonial Culture===
Various items have been identified which are apparently named after other gods and legendary figures of their faith, although these have not been explicitly identified as Lords of Kobol.

:''See main article: [[Mythological references]]''

===The Cycle of Time===

''"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."''<ref>In a short talk he gave before a screening of "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Ron Moore revealed that he "stole" the line from the introduction of the Disney animated version of ''[[w:Peter Pan|Peter Pan]]'' (lecture [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9op6PC03LRA part 1] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-9NglSNG0 part 2]).</ref>

According to [[Gaius Baltar]], this line from the [[Pythia]]n prophecy is very well known ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). [[Laura Roslin]] later expands on it, reminding [[Kara Thrace]],

<blockquote>"If you believe in the gods, then you believe in the cycle of time that we are all playing our parts in a story that is told again, and again, and again throughout eternity" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).</blockquote>

Various events throughout the series have led some characters to believe that they are playing out another turn of this cycle<ref>The notion of a circular progression of time (also known as [[w:eternal return|eternal return]] or eternal recurrence) is a common theme in other faiths, particularly [[w:Maya#Religion|Mayan]] mythology and is a cornerstone of the Hindu and Buddhist faiths. Moreover, [[w:Stoic|Stoic]] philosophy did believe in the concept of ''ekpyrosis'', the fire which consumes the old world and signals the birth of a new world, identical to the old, for a recurring cycle of birth, death and rebirth.</ref>. (see [[Sacred Scrolls]] for more detailed analysis).

===Sanctity of Life===
According to the Sacred Scrolls, abortion is "an abomination in the eyes of the Gods". The more fundamentalist [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]] strictly adhere to this commandment, however the more secular Colonies such as Caprica apparently do not follow this as strictly: officially, Colonies-wide Federal law guaranteed a woman the right to an abortion, at least at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

==Individual Practice==
The Colonials display a wide spectrum of religious practice, ranging from [[Billy Keikeya]]'s atheism ([[Home, Part II]], [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Home, Part II|cut scene]]) to Corporal [[Venner]]'s literalistic readings of the Sacred Scrolls.

While not fully explained in the Re-imagined Series, it appears, based on the information from a [[dedication ceremony]] for [[Nicholas Tyrol]] and the prayers of [[Kara Thrace]], that each Colonial is paired, or "placed in the service" with one or more of the Lords. Based on the dedication ceremony blessing, Zeus is a considered "almighty" or foremost of the gods, while other Lords are prayed to by Colonials as a proxy to Zeus.<ref>This practice is similar to a Catholic practice of prayer to Mary, mother of Jesus. While Mary is a human, followers believe that, by praying to Mary, she can intercede to aid the acceptance of the prayer by the [[w:Trinity|Trinity]], the godhead of the Catholic faith.</ref>

===Artifacts===
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Despite Gemenon's fundamentalist climate, the city of [[Delphi]] on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] was apparently of a mind to store an important religious artifact, the [[Arrow of Apollo]], in a [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies|museum]], rather than a devotional institution ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

Ancient temples may be also be the repository of special artifacts such as the [[Eye of Jupiter]], believed to be stored inside the legendary [[Temple of Five]] ("[[Rapture]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]").
 

===Confession===
At least some sects of the Colonial religion practice the concept of absolution of sins through confession. Brothers, and presumably priests as well, may hear confessions as demonstrated by [[Brother Cavil]] agreeing to hear Anders' confession ([[The Plan]]). It is not known if this practice is uniform throughout the Colonial religion or limited to certain sects.

A confession begins with the confessor saying, "Bless me, Brother, for I have acted against the example of the Gods." The Brother or Priest will then say, "Proceed in the name of the Gods," and after hearing the confession, they will end by saying, "You are absolved in the example of the Gods."

===Dress===
[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Oracle Selloi.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The robes of [[Dodona Selloi]] ([[Exodus, Part I]])]]
As seen by the various [[Laura Roslin faction|separatists]] orbiting Kobol in "[[Home, Part I]]", it appears that many Colonials have clothing that suggests a religious deference. In the scene, one older, white-bearded gentleman is dressed in simple colored robes and a round, flat head covering<ref>These robes may remind viewers of the tradition dress of Hasidic Jews, Islamic clerics, or Eastern Orthodox clerics of the real-world Earth.</ref> Other distinctive dress styles of other characters in the scene increase the sense of the dedication of religion in the Gemenese people (which appear to comprise the majority of Roslin's separatists).

The [[oracle]] [[Dodona Selloi]] dresses in a turban and robes, suggesting a special role in Colonial society or its religious hierarchy ([[Exodus, Part I]]).
 

===Idols===
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At the end of the episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Kara Thrace, a devotee of Artemis and Aphrodite (as stated by [[Leoben Conoy]] in the same episode), prays to them on Conoy's behalf using figurines that bear a similarity to classic representations of Artemis and Athena. Artemis is depicted with her bow and arrow, and Athena with her helmet of war.

When visting the oracle [[Yolanda Brenn]], Thrace receives a figurine of the goddess [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]] as a gift ([[Maelstrom]]).
 

===Prayer===
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Some prisoners on the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' seeking rehabilitation have turned to group prayer.
They greet Laura Roslin as a prophet and she provides them with a blessing ([[The Farm]]).

Priest [[Elosha]] sings a group prayer in a [[Service for the dead]] after the Fleet escapes from the initial Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]).<ref>The language she sings is [[w:Sanskrit|Sanskrit]], a classical language of real-world Earth's Hindu/Indian peoples. More about the verses that she sings and their meaning can be found in the [[Language in the Twelve Colonies#Liturgy|Language in the Twelve Colonies]] article.</ref> The priest also gives a prayer after ''[[Colonial One]]'' is boarded by Commander Adama's troops to remove Roslin from power ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

A chaplain delivered a simple prayer at the funeral of [[Zak Adama]], two years prior to the fall of the Colonies ([[Act of Contrition]])<ref>The prayer's mention of committing a "body to the ground from which we were all made" echoes the Biblical passage of [http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis3.htm Genesis 3:19]:'''
:"By the sweat of your brow
:you will eat your food
:until you return to the ground,
:since from it you were taken;
:for dust you are
:and to dust you will return."</ref>:

<blockquote>"The burdens of this life are with us but a short time. For Lieutenant Zak Adama, son of [[William Adama|William]] and [[Carolanne Adama]], brother of [[Lee Adama|Lee]], the time was too short, but we take comfort in knowing his life was willingly given in service to all of us. We honor them for that. And thus, it falls upon us to repent our sins and with the help of the Lords of Kobol, make our own lives worthy of that gift. And now, we commit his body to the ground from which we were all made."</blockquote>

Corporal [[Venner]] asks [[Laura Roslin]] to join him in a simple prayer while ''Galactica'' is attacked as it desperately tries to find its Fleet ([[Scattered]]).
<blockquote>''(To Roslin:)'' Will you pray with me? ''(He begins:)'' Help us, Lords of Kobol. Help your prophet Laura guide us to the path of righteousness. That we might-- that we might destroy our enemies. Let us walk the path of righteousness and lift our faces unto your goodness. Help us turn away from the calls of the wicked and show us the knowledge of your certain salvation. We offer this prayer.</blockquote>

Prayer is also seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|Season 3 webisode series]] in a temple (where prayers are written and then burned before an idol), and by [[Kara Thrace]] ([[Miniseries]], "[[Flesh and Bone]]"). 
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===Rosaries===
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As [[Laura Roslin]] begins to suffer from [[chamalla]] withdrawal in ''Galactica'''s brig, Corporal Venner, a [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]], anxiously clutches a set of white prayer beads ([[Fragged]]).
 

===[[Temple]]===
[[Image:Resistance - Webisode 4.jpg|thumb|[[Nora Farmer|Nora]] and [[Cally Tyrol]] pray in a temple on [[New Caprica]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 4|Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance - Episode 4]]).]]

Temples may have been more elaborate places on the Twelve Colonies, but the spaceborne remnants of humanity presumably use any space they can find on their ships to form a basic temple. As seen on [[New Caprica]], a basic temple may consist of a simple altar with candles, idols of the Lords of Kobol, and what meager offerings the Colonials can give as a [[w:tithe|tithe]]. Some prayers are written on paper and burned ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

The temple on New Caprica was known as the Temple of Artemis ([[Collaborators]]), suggesting that temples are dedicated to a Lord or Lords, and may be related to the pairing of Colonials to a specific set of Lords at their dedication ceremony.

A similar arrangement to temple is found in an [[Yolanda Brenn|oracle camp]] ([[Maelstrom]]).

A room used for religious services on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is referred to as a temple ([[Escape Velocity]]).
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===Sagittaron beliefs===
Orthodox [[Sagittaron#Culture|Sagittaron beliefs]] are more anachronistic than the Gemenese's, believing that the mind and body are myths, and that medicine is "an abomination, a sin against the Gods". Sagittarons also blame physicians for the spread of disease due to their ignorance of the aforementioned "myth" of the body and mind. They traditionally do not believe in violence, even to the point of not aiding the [[New Caprica Resistance]] in their fight against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation of [[New Caprica]] ([[The Woman King]]).

===Other minority beliefs===

A small minority of the Colonials were secretly [[God (RDM)|monothiests]]. While it is not clear if such worship was still in practice in modern Colonial times up to the Cylon holocaust, an [[Temple of Five|unusual temple]] found on a [[Algae planet|remote planet]] suggests that monotheism was prevalent in the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]].

After the [[Second Exodus]], [[Gaius Baltar]] later founds [[Cult of Baltar|a monotheistic cult]] that finds itself in conflict with the established faiths. Baltar's faith comes into direct, violent conflict with the [[Sons of Ares]] as well as the general Colonial polythiests. [[Mithraism]] is also noted in practice ([[Escape Velocity]])

==The Clergy==
The religious and government bodies of the Twelve Colonies work together. This association is likely based on the religious homogeneity of the Colonies.<ref>This differs from the United States, whose government is based on religious tolerance through the separation of religious practice and legislature. While the real-world Earth has many, many religions, the Twelve Colonies, as yet, appear to have only one religion and as such does not suffer greatly from schisms or other religious factions, although colonists such as the Gemenese show a different emphasis on how they interpret the religious writings.</ref>

===Priests/Priestesses===
[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Collaborators - Priest.jpg|right|thumb|A male [[Unnamed characters (RDM)#Priest|priest]]. ([[Collaborators]]).]]
[[Image:Elosha1.jpg|thumb|left|Elosha, priestess and friend of President Roslin. ([[Home, Part I]])]]
[[Laura Roslin]] [[Case Orange|is sworn into the presidency]] by a priestess<ref>In "[[Blood on the Scales]]", Baltar refers to Elosha as "the ''Priestess'' Elosha", indicating that women priests have a femanine title</ref>, [[Elosha]], who continues on in an advisory capacity within Roslin's administration. Priests also preside over military funerals, without regard for the beliefs of the deceased.

Priests in the Twelve Colonies are apparently not required to practice celibacy, and can be male or female. Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] states that his father was a priest and his mother an oracle ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).<ref>Galen Tyrol's information may be skewed by the revelation that he himself is a Cylon ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).</ref>

According to [[Billy Keikeya]], some priests use [[chamalla]] for its hallucinogenic properties. The prescient dreams it imparted to Laura Roslin may imply the use of something similar by [[Pythia]], an ancient prophet. [[Oracle]]s also use the drug.
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===Brothers===
[[Image:Cyca2.jpg|left|thumb|The false Brother [[Cavil]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).]]
The term ''Brother'' is used as a title for male members of the clergy, although it is not fully apparent whether this role is similar to that of a [[w:Monk|monk]] or [[w:Deacon|deacon]].

As with priests, a brother offers consultation and leads prayer.

The only instance of this clergy is Brother [[Cavil]], who offers guidance to Chief Tyrol.

Cavil, however, is revealed as a [[humanoid Cylon]] some time later. Because of Cavil's nature, there may be doubt as to whether Cavil is a useful example of the work of a Brother in Colonial religion.

It is probable that Brothers are lay clergy (unlike priests and oracles, who appear to have political status as well as their religious status).

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===Sisters===
[[Image:Tivenan.jpg|right|thumb|Sister Tivenan (right) at a [[dedication ceremony]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance: Episode 10]])]]
As with Brothers in the clergy, there are ''Sisters'' as well.

Sister [[Tivenan]] is briefly seen tending to business in the temple on [[New Caprica]], guiding prayer and officiating a [[dedication ceremony]] for the [[Nicholas Tyrol|newborn son]] of [[Galen Tyrol|Galen]] and [[Cally Tyrol]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

It is probable that Sisters, like Brothers, are lay clergy.
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===Oracles===
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[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Oracle Selloi.jpg|left|thumb|The oracle [[Dodona Selloi]] ([[Exodus, Part I]]).]]
[[Image:S3 oraclebrenn low.jpg|right|thumb|The oracle [[Yolanda Brenn]] ([[Maelstrom]]).]]
There is little information as to the religious functions of ''oracles''. [[Dodona Selloi]] is one of two oracles seen in the Re-imagined Series. She confirms the dreams of a copy of [[Number Three]] and the existence of [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]. It is not clear if Selloi is sitting in a tent designated as a temple, but there are numerous ornate or curious inscriptions surrounding and inside her tent that suggest the significance of the oracle's tent or her presence. A second oracle, [[Yolanda Brenn]], gives counsel to [[Kara Thrace]] on her strange dreams aboard ''Galactica'' ([[Maelstrom]]).

Priests and oracles may assume their roles due to an personal, possibly inherited affinity to sense spiritual changes or conditions. [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Final Five|believed to be the son of a priest and oracle]], detects the presence of and finds the [[Temple of Five]] alone, based only on his senses, apparently detecting the hidden temple on the otherwise-unremarkable (and undocumented) [[algae planet]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). However, it is revealed later that he is in fact a humanoid Cylon, one of the ([[Final Five]]), and had visited the site before.
 

== A Cylon Connection ==
:''Main article: [[Cylon Religion]]''
:''See Also: [[The Destiny]], [[Final Five]], [[Temple of Five]]''

While humanoid Cylons show a strict, firm belief in a monotheistic [[God (RDM)|God]], referring to the Lords of Kobol as "false idols," a connection between the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol may exist. In "[[Exodus, Part I]]", an [[Selloi|oracle]] tells [[Number Three]] (who has a ''dream'' of the oracle's tent and of holding the believed-dead hybrid child [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]) that she has a message from the one that Number Three worships. This poses the question how an oracle of the Lords of Kobol be able to hear the messages of the Cylon God.

A Kobollian god(s) was separated from the others, per a deleted scene about a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Jealous God|jealous god]].

The [[Temple of Five]], which a [[Number Three]] uses to visualize the identities of the [[Final Five]]) was not built for the Cylons (who were not created until 4,000 years later) but for humans. The Temple, according to the Sacred Scrolls, was built for five priests who worshiped "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]". It is not clear if this was the spurned "jealous god" or another fallen member of the Lords of Kobol. No further information on the connection between the Cylon and Colonial religions in regards to the Temple of Five is revealed as of the end of Season 3.<ref>While the notion of a fallen Lord is speculative in the Re-imagined Series, there is already a parallel series of characters from the [[Original Series]]: The [[Beings of Light]] and their fallen member, [[Iblis]]. [[Ron D. Moore]], however, has stated in several interviews that he was not planning to use this Original Series concept in the Re-imagined Series.</ref>

[[Kara Thrace]] realizes her [[The Destiny|destiny]], first from the words of a [[Leoben Conoy]] model, and later, in a type of dream, through an [[Messenger Leoben|entity that took the likeness of Leoben]], but was not a Cylon. From death, Thrace [[Crossroads, Part II|returns]] to the Fleet, not as an illusion, but resurrected -- something that, prior to Thrace, only a humanoid Cylon could do.

== Notes ==
In a podcast, RDM mentioned that it was intended that there would be many sectarian divisions and religious denominations within colonial society, ranging from a Hellenic-style Cult of Athena to more Buddhist and Hindu forms of worship, and including monotheistic minorities. Mithraism is presumably one such minority belief, similar to the real-life minority Mithraic religion of Roman times. This diversity was not fully shown due to time constraints, but would later be made more apparent in Caprica.

It seems that Colonial society protects freedom of worship and encourages religious diversity to some degree. However, certain monotheistic organisations such as the [[Soldiers of the One]] and the [[Cult of Baltar]] are strongly anti-polytheistic, and some devout polytheists such as [[Jordan Duram]] take strong exception to the doctrine of monotheism.

The Tauron Funeral Rite as seen in Caprica mirrors the Ancient Greek rite of placing a coin on the head of the dead for the Charon, the ferryman who took the souls of the dead across the Rivers Styx and Acheron to The Underworld. The idea of eternal return "all of this has happened before, and will happen again" is strongly present in many forms of Hinduism, which see the universe as cyclical. The use of oracles and icons of deities reflects many historical Indo-European religions from Ancient Greek to Hindu, as well as different shamanistic practices. Additionally the priests of the Lords of Kobol wear different vestments perhaps indicating divisions similar to Protestantism/Catholic/Orthadox in Christianity.

The use of the names of certain real-life pagan Gods as personal names (like the Germanic Odin) as well as the presence of interchangable Greco-Roman names for the same gods (i.e. Jupiter/Zeus or Mars/Ares) may suggest that the worship of the Lords of Kobol uses different names for the same Gods depending on language. Different colonies may call the same Lords of Kobol names like the Germanic Tyr, Roman Jupiter, Greek Zeus Pater, Indian Deus Pita interchangably. Alternatively, it is possible that some polytheists in the colonies worship a different pantheon altogether, or include the worship of other gods along with the 12 Lords of Kobol, just as how there are Titans and Olympians in Greek religion, Asir and Vanir in Germanic religion, or Devas and Asuras in Hindu religion.

The punchline of [[Talk:Blood_on_the_Scales#Zarek.27s_Joke|the joke]] that [[Tom Zarek]] tells [[Racetrack]] as he is escorted from the flight deck in "[[Blood_on_the_Scales#Notes|Blood on the Scales]]" suggests that pedophilia by priests may have been an issue among the clergy of the Twelve Colonies, similar to [[w:Abuse_by_members_of_Roman_Catholic_orders|anecdotes and allegations]] involving the Roman Catholic Church.

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== Overview ==
:''[[Felix Gaeta]]'s mutiny continues while [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] finds refuge on the rebel Cylon [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]].''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===
* Rebel marines led by [[Aaron Kelly]] storm the airlock and capture [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh]] both of whom were stunned by a flash grenade.
* Tigh recognizes Kelly and calls him "the brig rat." Kelly is visibly uneasy about all this.
* Meanwhile, the [[Raptor]] with President [[Roslin]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] on board heads for the [[Basestar (RDM)#Rebel basestar|Basestar]].
* A pair of Vipers, piloted by Narcho and Hotdog, pursue the Raptor. Hotdog, who is unaware of the mutiny on ''Galactica'', gets the Raptor in his sights, but doesn't fire. Instead he orders the Raptor to identify itself.
* Narcho tells Hotdog to destroy the Raptor, but Hotdog continues to ask for the target's identification.
* Roslin transmits a message from the Raptor saying that she is aboard the Raptor. [[Gage]] blocks the transmission, but not before Hotdog receives it.
* [[Gaeta]], now in command of the CIC, contacts Hotdog and orders him to destroy the Raptor. When Hotdog continues to hold his fire, Narcho goes in and launches a pair of missiles at the Raptor.
* The [[Eight]] piloting the Raptor successfully avoids the missiles, which hit the Basestar instead. The Raptor successfully docks at the Basestar.
* Gaeta orders Colonel Tigh to be placed in the brig with the other Cylons, but orders Admiral Adama to be brought to the CIC.
* On board the Basestar, the Cylons demand to know why they're being fired upon. Roslin explains the situation. Fearing that the government has been overthrown, the Cylons want to jump away from the Fleet.
* Roslin insists that they give Adama a chance to retake ''Galactica''. Baltar points out that it's unlikely that Adama will win and that Gaeta and Zarek have the majority of support on ''Galactica''. Roslin counters that they've already seen evidence that not all of ''Galactica'''s crew support the mutiny.
* Roslin tells the Cylons to move their ship into the middle of the Fleet, so that ''Galactica'' won't be able to fire upon them.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Adama is brought to the CIC. Gaeta asks him to call Roslin and convince her to surrender.
* Adama refuses and instead pulls off his admiral pins. He throws them to Gaeta and sarcastically tells Gaeta that he's the admiral now and to make the call himself.
* Gaeta orders gun batteries to target the Basestar, but before they can do so, the Basestar moves into the middle of the Fleet. Gaeta calls off the attack and orders the Basestar to be quarantined. He also gives orders to prepare for [[Tom Zarek]]'s arrival.
* Adama asks Gaeta if he's planning on shooting him. Gaeta gives no response.

=== Act 1 ===
* ''[[Colonial One]]'' lands on ''Galactica'''s flight deck, with Zarek and the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] on board.
* Kelly, Narcho, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]], [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]], and other rebels escort Zarek from the flight deck, while [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] watch, hidden behind some machinery. Once they are out of sight, Lee and Starbuck move on.
* In a Raptor aboard the rebel Baseship, Roslin attempts to transmit a signal to anyone who will listen, without success.
* In the holding cell, Hera looks with concern at Helo's head wound. Athena attempts to assure her that he will get better.
* Caprica-Six nurses Tigh's ear, bleeding from the stun grenade.
* Anders wonders aloud what Gaeta will do. Tigh quips, "In your case, cut off one of your frakking legs."
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta tells Zarek that he has "a net" over the Baseship, and thus Zarek did not need to bring the entire Quorum with him to ''Galactica''. Zarek replies that as long as Gaeta insists on having a trial for Adama, he wants the Quorum where he can keep an eye on them. Zarek says they need to move on, but Gaeta replies that before that can happen, people must answer for what they've done, beginning with Adama.
* Tyrol continues to sneak through the corridors of ''Galactica'' unnoticed. On Deck D Corridor 2, he hears the sound of a door opening and runs for cover.
* Hidden from view, Tyrol observes Kelly and two rebel marines escorting [[Romo Lampkin]] at gunpoint. Romo wonders if anyone will feed his dog.
* In Adama's quarters, Zarek reads the charges against Adama: treason, desertion, giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and gross dereliction of duty. Zarek reminds him that the punishment for these crimes is death by firing squad. All the while, Adama glares at Gaeta.
* Zarek tells Romo that the Admiral is entitled to a court martial, but they need a lawyer to handle his defense. Adama mutters, "They need a pimp."
* Romo wonders why they are doing all of this. Gaeta replies, "For justice." Romo, considering the tone of the room, conjectures that if he should choose to pass on this "field trip for justice," that the two marines guarding him will instead use him for target practice. Zarek impatiently tells him to just do his job.
* Zarek goes on to say that "Commander" Gaeta will represent the people, and that Zarek himself will be serving as judge. Romo wonders if they've run out of ship's captains. Gaeta replies that the captains are busy defending their ships against the Basestar Adama welcomed into the Fleet. "Shove it up your ass," Adama tells Gaeta pointedly.
* Gaeta continues to argue with a mockingly defiant Adama. Adama points out that the rebel Cylons gave "aid and comfort" to the fleet, not vice versa. As the argument begins to escalate, Romo asks for a few minutes with Adama.
* On the Basestar, Roslin continues to unsuccessfully try to use the Raptor's communication system to contact anyone, with the Cylons looking on. A Six remarks that they no longer have the protection of the Fleet, and the Viper patrols are becoming increasingly bold, firing into space, inviting the Cylons to react. Tory Foster tells the other Cylons that they should all talk.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol uses a crowbar to pry the cover off of a service tunnel, and crawls inside.
* On ''Colonial One'', Zarek addresses the Quorum. As Zarek speaks in support of Gaeta's leadership of the military, the Quorum delegates are visibly concerned. Zarek tells the Quorum that he has brought them to ''Galactica'' to show Gaeta that the Quorum delegates are people who, "at the end of the day, still stand by your president." At this, the Quorum bursts into an excited discussion, which ends with [[Jacob Cantrell]] telling Zarek, "I think you should leave now, Mr. Vice President." The other delegates are in agreement.
* Zarek walks out of the conference room in defeat. In the adjacent corridor, he tells two marines, "Shoot them." Zarek then tells Kelly to get Gaeta. Kelly walks away to the sounds of screams and gunfire. He is visibly disturbed by the sounds.

=== Act 2 ===
* On ''Colonial One'', Gaeta looks in horror on the slain Quorum delegates, and angrily rebukes Zarek. Zarek reminds him that Gaeta began the coup, and that this is just another consequence of that. Gaeta is in disbelief, remarking that until now they had the truth on their side. Zarek tells him that the truth is told by whoever is left standing, and reminds him that Adama must be eliminated.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol continues to crawl through a cramped and dirty service tunnel.
* On the rebel Baseship, Tory informs Roslin that the Cylons have decided to jump away to ensure their own survival. The Six tells Roslin that Gaeta will likely execute Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and any of the others who oppose him, such as Kara, Helo, and Adama.
* Roslin urges the Cylons to stay, reminding them that they have all made a habit out of beating the odds, particularly William Adama, and that when he returns to command, he will know who stuck with him and who ran.
* Tyrol crawls out of the duct into an empty munitions locker, where he is met at gunpoint by Kelly. Tyrol notes that the rebels sprang him from the brig.
* Kelly tells him to get out of the duct, but Tyrol says that he is too tired and that Kelly should just shoot him. Kelly replies that he's a machine, to which Tyrol replies that Kelly is a "dumbass." Kelly and Tyrol both begin laughing at this, and Kelly lowers his rifle.
* They both hear the sounds of gunfire in the distance. Kelly remarks, "This was a hell of a ship once." Tyrol agrees. Kelly tells Tyrol he heard his child wasn't a Cylon, and that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was "trouble." Tyrol laughs, saying it would not have mattered.
* After collecting himself, Kelly again points his rifle at Tyrol, but when Tyrol braces himself for the shot, Kelly instead tells him to leave, yelling "Go on skinjob, go!" After Tyrol crawls back into the duct, Kelly berates himself.
* In Adama's quarters, Romo hands Adama a pen to sign a statement. Adama refuses, but Romo urges him to put his innocence on record, and to give his people time to retake the ship.
* One of the rebels who was guarding the holding cell goes to the latrine, where Starbuck smashes his head into the wall.
[[Image:Lida.jpg|thumb|Lida approaching Baltar.]]
* On the rebel Baseship, a Six named [[Lida]] asks Baltar if he is injured. He replies that they typically use the word "damaged" instead of "injured."
* In the corridor outside the holding cell, Lee and Starbuck argue over the best way to overpower the guards. Lee throws a grenade into their midst, and in the ensuing panic Lee and Starbuck gun them all down. Immediately after the last guard goes down, Starbuck ducks for cover, but an amused Lee nonchalantly walks to the thrown grenade and picks it back up. He tells Starbuck that he never pulled the pin, to which she states, "Not funny."
* With the guards dispatched, Lee and Starbuck free the prisoners, but Lee is upset to learn that his father is not among them.
* On their way out of the cell, Starbuck and Anders search the guards for weapons, but Lee tells them that they are quickly running out of time.
* A rebel turns the corner and fires at Starbuck and Anders. Starbuck shoots the rebel in the chest, but not before Anders is struck by a bullet in the neck, causing him to stumble.

=== Act 3 ===
* While Lee covers them, Starbuck looks after a wounded Anders. Sounds of yelling and gunfire indicate that there is fighting nearby. Lee insists that they need to leave.
* Tigh tells Caprica-Six to take Hera to Baltar's followers for safety, as "no one wants to go near those nutjobs." She insists she can take care of herself.
* Lee yells for Tigh to help him get Anders off the ground, but Starbuck tells Lee to go after his father instead. Athena and the others go with Lee and Tigh, while Starbuck stays with an incoherent Anders to try to get him to Doc Cottle for medical treatment.
* In Adama's quarters, the "court martial" proceeds apace, with Gaeta arguing that Adama deserted them on New Caprica. Romo objects, saying Gaeta is badgering the witness. Not surprisingly, his objection goes unheard by Zarek.
* As Adama continues to mock Gaeta, Zarek receives a call telling him that Tigh and the other "skinjobs" escaped. Zarek tells Adama and the others that Tigh was killed trying to escape. At the news of his longtime friend's death, Adama shows the first signs of emotion, and tells Gaeta that he is not answering any more of his questions.
* Zarek declares the prisoner guilty as charged, upsetting Romo, who says, "This isn't a trial, this is an asylum." Zarek angrily grabs Romo and pushes him against the bulkhead.
* Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, prompting a smile from Adama and looks of concern from everyone else. Roslin announces that Gaeta took command of ''Galactica'' by force, and that the Cylons were merely defending themselves when they moved the baseship into the Fleet. She then commands the Fleet ships to power down their FTL drives.
* On the rebel Baseship, Roslin exclaims that their signal could not be jammed. Behind her, a [[Number Two|Leoben]] is leaning on a device with flashing red lights, to which the Raptor's comm system is presumably connected. "I thought this would do the trick," he says with a grin.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Starbuck slowly drags an unconscious Anders a short distance before falling on the floor, exhausted. [[Parr]], the rebel marine escorting a bound Romo, happens upon them, commanding Starbuck to show him her hands. Romo readies his pen. Starbuck draws her sidearm and pulls the trigger, but the weapon is empty. Seizing his opportunity, Romo stabs his captor in the neck repeatedly with his pen. After removing his restraints, he retrieves his sunglasses and a sidearm from the fallen guard.
* Starbuck implores Romo to help her get Anders to Dr. Cottle, but Romo refuses, citing the fact that on the way there, he and his "friend" had already been shot at twice, once by his own men. Further considering the situation, an obviously conflicted Romo chooses to turn around and help.
* In CIC, Gage informs Gaeta that ten of the thirty-five ships remaining in the Fleet shut down their FTL drives after Roslin's announcement. Narcho is upset, but Gaeta tells him that Roslin did them a favor in exposing those ships who would cause them trouble. Gaeta tells Gage to give jump coordinates only to those ships that kept their FTL drives online, and to order them to jump immediately.
* Gaeta then tells Narcho to assemble an execution detail comprised of men he can trust, to secure the main hangar bay launch tube, and to take Adama down there and await further orders. Narcho shows some reluctance, but he insists that Gaeta can count on him "all down the line."
* Gaeta asks Zarek, who is waiting nearby, if he is spying on him. Zarek insists that they simply need to get through the current predicament, and move on.
* In a corridor somewhere on ''Galactica'', Narcho leads a team of six rebel marines who are escorting Adama to the launch tube, with Kelly walking behind the group. After some consideration, Kelly breaks off from the group and goes to the [[memorial hallway]], where he drops his rifle and breaks down in tears.
* In a nearby corridor, Tigh and Athena keep watch while Lee opens a service panel and disconnects a power line, causing the main lights to go out. Sounds of gunfire indicate there is still heavy fighting nearby.
* Tyrol continues to crawl through service tubes, this time crawling behind a latrine. He coughs and gags at the smell.
* In the memorial hallway, Lee confronts Kelly, who is nearly catatonic with grief. He finally admits to Lee that the others are planning on executing Adama in the main launch tube. Lee moves to punch Kelly, but Tigh pulls him away. As they run to the hangar deck, Kelly picks up his rifle and runs after them, yelling, "I'm coming with you!"
* On the rebel Baseship, Baltar dreams of Adama's death by firing squad, which wakes him violently. In bed with him, Lida attempts to comfort him, but Baltar rebuffs her, saying that he has run for his life yet again. She tells him that fear makes people act differently, but he says that he did not run out of fear this time.
* For the first time, Baltar admits that he is merely playing the role of religious leader to humor his followers, and that he privately scorns their "provincial intellects" and their unfailing willingness to make him feel better; however, he also admits that he feels responsible for them, and that he must go back.
* On the hangar deck, Adama is tied to a chair in the main launch tube by a marine while Narcho stands nearby, distressed. As Narcho walks towards the eight marines with rifles at the ready, Adama spits.
* From the rebel Baseship, Roslin gives the rebels five minutes to return command to Admiral Adama.
* In CIC, an increasingly concerned Zarek listens to Roslin's ultimatum, and looks around for Gaeta, who is absent.
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta walks to Adama's desk, where he drops the admiral pins on ''Galactica'''s watch log. He then calls Narcho, telling him to carry out the execution.
* On the hangar deck, Narcho replies, "Yes, sir," and hangs up with Tigh pointing a sidearm at his head. Meanwhile, Lee unties his father from the chair in the launch tube, and Kelly and Athena have their rifles pointed at eight marines, all disarmed and kneeling with hands behind their heads.
* Adama is overjoyed to see Tigh, whom he was told was dead. Tigh replies that for a while, he was.
* Adama addresses the kneeling, disarmed marines, saying, "I'm gonna take back my ship." Adama then addresses Narcho, who tells him that while he has always respected him, he hates the Cylons, and he cannot take orders from a leader who won't fight them. At this, Tigh raises his weapon to Narcho's head, but Adama orders him to stand down, and orders Narcho to be tied up instead.
* Sitting at Adama's desk, Gaeta removes his prosthesis and scratches the stump underneath.
* Deep in the bowels of ''Galactica'', Tyrol finally has enough room to crouch rather than crawl, allowing him to move faster.
* In CIC, Zarek orders Vireem to pass him through to Roslin. As Gaeta walks into CIC, Zarek addresses Roslin on the rebel Baseship, introducing himself as the President of the Twelve Colonies. He announces that Tigh was killed in an escape attempt, and that Adama was tried, found guilty of his crimes, and was executed by firing squad earlier that morning. Zarek insists that Roslin think of the welfare of the people of the Fleet, and surrender.
* Roslin vehemently refuses, vowing to use every weapon at her disposal to come after Zarek and the other mutineers. The weapon emplacements on the Baseship open, targeting ''Galactica''.

=== Act 4 ===
* In CIC, after Zarek's statements to Roslin, Gaeta remarks that now they have a military leader and a president in one. Zarek questions how Gaeta would have handled the situation, had he been there.
* Gage indicates that the Baseship is arming itself, and that they are jump ready. Gaeta orders the board be set to green, and a crew member inserts the FTL key at gunpoint.
* Tyrol rushes down a set of stairs in ''Galactica'''s FTL engine room.
* Adama marches towards CIC, leading an increasingly large group of marines, officers, and enlisted crew.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol breaks open the door to the auxiliary control station, and attempts to shut down the FTL drive with his command code.
* As Adama and his group of loyalists continue their march to CIC, Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, commanding ''Galactica'' to surrender.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol's command code is denied (as he is not currently in active duty). Instead he looks to some nearby machinery and, with some effort, removes a [[Sync coil|vital component]] and shuts down the FTL drive.
* In CIC, Gage announces the FTL drive's shutdown. Zarek begins ordering crew members to look into it, but no one moves. He tells Gaeta to launch Vipers to defend themselves, but Gaeta ignores him, and instead recalls his own words: "One day soon there's gonna be a reckoning."
* Gage announces that gun batteries have fixed target bearings and are ready to fire. With Zarek at a near-panic, Gaeta realizes they are defeated, and orders a weapons hold.
* Adama arms himself with the sidearm from a nearby marine, and the group storms CIC. No resistance is offered by the mutineers who, outmatched, surrender without a fight.
* Adama gets on the wireless, identifies himself, confirms that he has retaken command, and tells Roslin to stand down. Roslin, Baltar, and even the Cylons are relieved to hear his voice with Roslin and at least one Eight in tears.
* Zarek, Gaeta, and the other mutineers are taken away at gunpoint. While Gaeta and Adama exchange a stare, Adama has nothing to say to his fomrer loyal officer and merley gestures for Kelly and Athena to take him away.
* In the FTL engine room, an exhausted Tyrol drops the component as the massive FTL drive slowly come to a halt. As he turns to the bulkhead, he notices some significant structural damage which concerns him greatly.
* On ''Galactica'', Roslin climbs down a ladder and, seeing Adama alive for the first time since she boarded the Raptor, cries tears of joy. The two leaders walk together, his arm around her.
* In Gaeta's quarters, Gaeta and Baltar are smoking cigarettes - something Gaeta has not been seen doing for quite some time and drink coffee which Gaeta calls the "spoils of war." Gaeta is telling Baltar of the many careers he once dreamed of pursuing: architecture, medicine, engineering, photography, and finally, science.
* Baltar, on the verge of tears, begins to say something, but Gaeta stops him. He assures Baltar that he is fine with the way things turned out, and that his only wish is that eventually, people realize who he is. Baltar tells Gaeta that he knows who he is.
* Gaeta and Zarek are seated in the main launch tube of the hangar deck, with Adama, Lee, Tigh, and Baltar standing behind the firing squad.
* Just before Adama orders the execution detail to fire, Gaeta looks down at his severed leg in astonishment and remarks, "It stopped" refering to the intense pain he has had since he lost his leg.
*The squad fires, killing Gaeta and Zarek.

== Notes ==
*The punchline of [[Talk:Blood_on_the_Scales#Zarek.27s_Joke|the joke]] that [[Tom Zarek]] tells [[Racetrack]] as he is escorted from the flight deck suggests that pedophilia by priests may have been an issue among the [[Religion_in_the_Twelve_Colonies_(RDM)|clergy of the Twelve Colonies]], similar to [[w:Abuse_by_members_of_Roman_Catholic_orders|anecdotes and allegations]] involving the Roman Catholic Church.
*The [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] were murdered on Zarek's order for supporting President Roslin. [[Lee Adama]] survived as he wasn't present during the Quorum session. Two other regular Quorum members (Gemenon Delegate and one other delegate) were replaced by temporary stand-ins (who were killed), and their fate is unknown.
*Romo Lampkin while being forced to serve as Adama's lawyer during his trial he referred to two looming Marine guards as "Wynken and Blynken". This was in reference to the poem of ''[[Wikipedia:Wynken, Blynken, and Nod|Wynken, Blynken, and Nod]]'', a late 19th century Dutch child's lullaby by [[Wikipedia:Eugene Field|Eugene Field]] about three fishermen fishing in the starry night in the sky with the help of the moon and uses a magic wooden shoe as their boat.<ref>[http://www3.amherst.edu/~rjyanco94/literature/eugenefield/poems/poemsofchildhood/wynkenblynkenandnod.html Wynken, Blynken, and Nod" Lullaby]</ref>
*This episode marks the death of Felix Gaeta and Tom Zarek, who are executed by firing squad for their mutiny against Adama and the government.
*The character Captain Kelly was last seen during season 3 when he was arrested for his bombing and assassinations of Baltar's lawyers. His character has appeared intermittently since the show began and it is fitting that he would be a double-turn coat as he was part of the original senior staff and his love for Admiral Adama is proven to be stronger than his hatred for the Cylons.
*The events depicted in "The Oath" and "Blood on the Scales" cover approximately nine hours: Tigh enters Adama's quarters at 0620 at the beginning of "The Oath", culminates with Gaeta seizing the CIC at 0922, and concludes with Adama and his loyalists retaking the CIC at 1532 in "Blood on the Scales". The executions of Gaeta and Zarek, however, take place at an unspecified time later.
*The firing-squad executions of Gaeta and Zarek mark the first time a method of execution other than [[airlock|airlocking]] has been used on screen (apart from the non-judicial summary executions in ''[[Razor]]''), although the action takes place in the same location where most recent airlocking incidents have occurred. In "[[Dirty_Hands#Act_4|Dirty Hands]]", Admiral Adama threatens to have [[Cally Tyrol]] shot as a mutineer, suggesting that the firing squad is the standard means of execution for humans that commit mutiny.
*The ship's [[FTL]] drive is seen for the first time.
*Baltar becomes involved with a previously-unseen copy of [[Number Six]] (referenced off-screen by the name [[Lida]]). Discounting his [[Messengers|Messenger Six]], this makes the third copy of Six with whom he has had relations, after [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Gina Inviere]].

== Analysis ==
*Despite all of the support that Gaeta and Zarek seemed to have at the beginning of the mutiny, Roslin and Adama had more support from people opposed to it and possibly people who rethought it like Kelly. On Roslin and Adama's side were ''Galactica's'' senior staff (the members of CIC were either people on Gaeta's side or forced to work at gunpoint by marines), at least most of the crew given how many people joined Adama's march to CIC, the Quorum of Twelve and the Cylons and Baltar's followers. Gaeta and Zarek had the supporters they'd managed to gather amongst ''Galactica's'' crew and about 25 ships who refused Roslin's order to stand down FTL drives. In the end Adama and Roslin were successful because the people supported them more and Adama had enough respect from his crew that he was able to turn a lot back to his side just by stating his intention to retake the ship and walking by others. Gaeta and Zarek had to use force to get what they wanted. Many people, both in support of Gaeta/Zarek and in opposition, were killed. Given the death count, 40 in the first four hours of the mutiny, from 06:32 hours when Zarek was released from the Brig to sometime after 10:30 hours when Adama and Tigh are captured in the stowage bay (with most of the killing starting shortly after 09:02 hours after Capt. [[Kara Thrace]] rescues Delegate [[Lee Adama]] in the Hanger Deck. [[Peter Laird]] was the very first death, occuring shortly before 07:00 hours.), the attack on those Loyal to Adama was vicious. The break down of mutineer and loyalist deaths hasn't been given yet, but it is most likely that most of these deaths were those loyal to Adama since Gaeta/Zarek forces had the elements of both surprise and preparation in their favor. The 40 figure only represents the deaths by the end of "[[The Oath]]", near the approximate halfway point of the mutiny at 10:30 hours. With the retaking of CIC by Adama and Tigh, the mutiny ended at 15:32 hours, approximately nine hours elapsed time (there may have been resisters after that time not wishing to be taken into custody). Mutiny death figures since 10:30 hours, including the murder of the Quorum delegates, will be reflected in the survivor population count after the teaser of "[[No Exit]]" unless otherwise indicated.
*Gaeta's sudden lack of pain in his amputated leg signals that his chronic pain (which he tried to numb with painkillers during the webisodes) was partially psychological. Once he was at peace with who he was and what he had done, his mental pain and much of his physical pain and itching disappeared. His last words acknowledged that the irritation had stopped.
*The marines who eventually joined Adama's side near the end of the episode indicates that other mutineers simply were part of the coup out of self-preservation or at least wanting to be on the "winning" side. Once it was clear that Adama and the senior staff were rising up and reclaiming the ship, the marines, and others finally arose as well.
*By sparing Narcho's life, Admiral Adama characteristically shows his love and compassion for those who serve under him. Despite his speech of "no forgiveness" in "The Oath", it is clear that Adama will attempt to give the some of the mutineers a second chance.
**Not likely, the podcast for Deadlocked says they were all imprisoned on the ''Astral Queen''.
**Adama grants clemency to those volunteering for the rescue of Hera. However, this was out of a desperate need for as many people as possible and the only ones shown for sure to take it were Nowart, Racetrack and Skulls, the later two of which died in the battle.
*From a pragmatic standpoint, Humanity, such at the verge of extinction anyways, can not afford to lose large numbers of people.
*The mutineers at no point subdued all resistance aboard ''Galactica''. As Adama marched on CIC, many crew members rushed to join him, indicating that they were either still resisting or were waiting for a sign that the tide had turned. CIC also was controlled by Gaeta through the use of marines who held most of the staff at gunpoint.
* Tyrol, while attempting to disable Galactica's jump drive notices odd tears in the hull near the FTL assembly. It is not known whether this was hull stress caused by Tyrol disabling the FTL as the ship was about to jump, or an as-yet unexplained problem that has an impact on Galactica's hull.
**''Galactica'' may be suffering from serious long term metal fatigue and/or cumulative battle damage, as evidenced by the bulkhead deformation Tyrol discovers in the FTL drive room. Over the course of the series, Tigh has made a number of comments on ''Galactica's'' worsening structural condition, especially in absence of any possibility for repair at a shipyard. The ship itself is 50+ years old and has seen combat in two wars against the Cylons, and after all the damage its taken - the [[Battle of New Caprica]] being the most obvious example - it is not all that surprising to see the ship's structural integrity begin to fail like this.
** It is extremely unlikely that the damage witnessed by Tyrol was a result of his improper shut-down of the FTL, a tear of that size in metal would likely have been extremely loud and Tyrol does not notice the damage until he just happens to glance up at it. While it is possible that the FTL drive spun up would be louder than the sound of such a crack there is also no strong vibrations shown either in engineering or on the bridge, which would no doubt accompany such a large tear. Given that the area where Tyrol is an auxiliary control center, which is unlikely the be manned unless there is a problem with the FTL drives or for periodic maintenance, it is eminently possible that the tear has been there for some time since it has been quite some time since Galactica has been depicted as having FTL problem. However, as were are dealing with a device that can bend time and space, nothing can be completely discredited at this point.
*Roslin threatens to attack ''Galactica'' if Gaeta and Zarek do not surrender. Numerous missile emplacements are then shown opening along the arms of the rebel basestar. Due to the known incompetence of ''Galactica's'' mutineer crew (Gage being unable to jam Roslin's transmission in [[The Oath]] without Gaeta's help), the chaos aboard ''Galactica'' with a mutiny still ongoing, and ''Galatica's'' status as an undermanned vessel, it is possible that the basestar could have successfully engaged and destroyed ''Galactica'' or at least severely damaged her enough to prevent her escaping.
*Captain Kelly, after having been locked up in the brig for his attempts to assassinate Baltar's lawyers, still holds a deep love for the Galactica and her commander. As he was a part of the original senior leadership (3rd in command as shown after Adama's near-assassination), his nostalgic comments with Tyrol indicated his withering resolve to be part of the coup. In addition, being a witness to the cruelty of Zarek with the Quorum was probably the first catalyst for his repentance.
*Gaeta, prior to his execution, is shown smoking and having drinks with Baltar. This is significant as Gaeta is rarely shown smoking during the show, and when it is shown, it was done when Gaeta finally felt free to be who he wanted to be. The first time was during his taped interview with D'Anna where he "let his hair down" so to speak. Incorporating a final smoke for Gaeta seemed appropriate to allow the audience to see a humanized Gaeta again.
*Gaeta and Baltar have a civil conversation before Gaeta's execution indicating that the two have forgiven each other for thier past transgressions: Gaeta trying to kill Baltar and Baltar's involvement with the Cylons on New Caprica.
*Baltar, despite admitting to not really liking his followers, has developed a sense of responsibility towards them as shown when he's speaking with [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]] about them and deciding to go back. This is the first time that Baltar has been shown to truly care about something besides himself indicating he may have changed somewhat.
*Dialogue in this episode indicates there are 35 civilian ships left in the fleet. This is the first time since abandoning [[New Caprica]] that significant information on the number of ships left in the fleet has emerged. This number doesn't seem to tally with the observed losses in the fleet since the first season, although the number of ships has been portrayed inconsistently throughout the miniseries and the main seasons (a figure in the mid 70s being mentioned in [[Home, Part I]]). The figure of 35 stated here- indicating a loss of half the fleet's ships- seems somewhat inconsistent with a the human population that has only declined by about one fifth since the arrival of Pegasus's crew which bolstered the number of survivors to close to 50,000. Ships being abandoned on New Caprica or afterwards may explain this strikingly low number unless it is a continuity error. If 35 is a correct figure, the other ships in the fleet must have somehow found a way to take a huge number of extra people aboard.
**It is possible that the 35 civilian ships that were mentioned were the total number of ships that had initially sided with Zarek and Gaeta, rather than the entire number of ships in the fleet. If they had been ready to jump at Zarek and Gaeta's order, their FTL drives would have been spun up. With Roslin's broadcast, though, 10 of the 35 would have switched sides again and shut down their FTLs, indicating the end of their desire to follow the coup leaders.
*Ronald D Moore has commented that ''Galactica'' is severely undermanned at this point and therefore large parts of the ship are empty, making it easier for mutineers and counter-mutineers to move around unobserved. This however is contradicted by the fact that ''Galactica'' now has the crew of ''Pegasus'' aboard and the ship has in fact been seen to be overcrowded. Even allowing for losses on New Caprica and the fact that ''Pegasus'' was undermanned, the ship should still have a larger crew compliment than when she began her journey. In orbit around New Caprica the two ships still had over 2000 personnel still serving and doubtless most if not all former crew re-enlisted after the evacuation of New Caprica. Galactica's combined crew have not been seen to have taken any substantial losses since leaving New Caprica that would leave much of the ship empty. This may be a retcon or continuity error. It should be noted, however, that a large proportion of the people on the ship following the escape from New Caprica were civilians who may have since been relocated. Furthermore, it may be that only certain areas of the ship - such as the living quarters - are overcrowded. The exact number of personnel that a fully manned ''Galactica'' should have is unknown.
*Despite [[Sharon Agathon]]'s vision-induced paranoia of a Six taking her daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]<ref>Sharon kills [[Natalie]] in "[[Sine Qua Non]]" when she sees the latter with Hera in a corridor after Sharon, President Roslin, and Caprica-Six all have a vision of a Six absconding with Hera at the opera house.</ref>, she does not protest [[Caprica-Six]] carrying Hera while Sharon supports her injured husband, [[Karl Agathon|Karl]]. It must be remembered that it was Caprica Six who aided in the escape of Athena with Hera from the Baseship after she got Helo to kill her so she would resurrect on the Baseship and recover their daughter. Caprica Six killed [[Sharon Valerii]] ("Boomer", who later resurrected) after Valerii tried to kill Hera for rejecting her and then Caprica Six helped get both Athena and Hera off the Baseship. Ironically, Caprica Six is the only character who has been seen specifically committing infanticide (not counting Baltar's dream about Adama drowning Hera).<ref>Caprica-Six snaps a human infant's neck in her first scene in the [[Miniseries]].</ref>
*Assuming the writers maintained their preference to mirror real-world military traditions, the firing squad assembled to execute Gaeta and Zarek would likely be composed of low-level mutineers who were treated with leniency and then required to seal their loyalty (and feelings of guilt) by executing their former conspirators.
*It isn't clear whether Gaeta and Zarek were given any sort of trial before being executed. Given Adama and Roslin's preference (albeit sometimes waveringly so) for maintaining the rule of law, it would be surprising if the lead mutineers were just shot out of hand.
* During Tyrol and Kelly's discussion in the arms locker, Kelly mentions that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was trouble, Tyrol's response "Thanks, it wouldn't have mattered", indicates that, even if he had known that Cally had been sleeping with Hot Dog, he would still have married her. This clearly indicates that Tyrol loved her, and the way in which he says it clearly indicates that he still does. This means that Tyrol's tirade against the Admiral after his wife's death was an act, possibly out of grief, possibly to get himself dismissed from the Deck Crew so he couldn't sabotage anything should he have any hidden programming.
* The Cylons among the fleet are, collectively, more loyal to Roslin and Adama (and more willing to forgive past conflicts) than are the humans.
*Despite Adama's obvious anger towards Gaeta, he may have been somewhat forgiving towards him at the end: Baltar is allowed to visit, it happens in Gaeta's quaters indicating that Adama didn't put him in the brig but locked him in his room and he's smoking cigarettes (which he may have had in his room) and drinks what looks like the Admiral's morning coffee which he calls the "spoils of war" indicating Adama may have given it to him. Also, Adama allows him to die wearing his uniform which he promised he wouldn't allow any of the mutineers to do.

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

* What will become of the other mutineers (Racetrack, Narcho, Seelix, etc)? Will Adama follow through with his promise of "no forgiveness"? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* Who will take over Gaeta's duties? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* What repercussions will the Quorum's assassination have on the Fleet? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* What is the significance of the damage Tyrol discovers in the engine room? Has it been there long, or is it a result of the improper shut down of the FTL drive? Do other areas of the ship show similar signs of damage? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* In the [[Miniseries]], Colonel Tigh tells Lt. Gaeta to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2". Why did Tyrol's deactivation of one FTL drive stop Gaeta from ordering the other's use? Is the other FTL drive still functional?
** Answer: The ship needs both FTL drives to make a proper jump, and Tyrol pulled the [[sync coil]] between the two.
* Will Anders survive his injuries? Were Starbuck and Lampkin even successful in getting him to sickbay? ([[No Exit|Partial Answer]])
* Will Helo survive his injuries? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* How will Baltar's new-found sense of responsibility toward his flock change his behavior? ([[Deadlock|Possible Answer]])
* Will the Cylons' assistance of, and subordination to, President Roslin (and/or Colonial political leaders' fears of being associated with the failed coup d'état) secure them the citizenship and Quorum representation they seek? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* With Zarek dead and Lee Adama being the only surviving member of the Quorum (or one of the few surviving members, considering that two regular delegates were replaced by stand-ins), will he become the new Vice President? ([[No Exit|Possible Answer]])
* Are ''Galactica'''s computers now networked? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* With most of the Quorum dead, will Roslin and Adama use the attempted mutiny as a basis to declare martial law? ([[No Exit|Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* Will Kelly be allowed to resume his duties on ''Galactica''?
* Is the same structural deficiency present near the other FTL drive?
* Will the rebel Cylons become less trusting of the humans as a result of this mutiny? Or will they be more inclined to trust certain humans, such as Roslin, since she managed to convince them to stay and follow her leadership?
* What was that device Roslin and Leoben were using to communicate with the rest of the Fleet?
* Why was Lee Adama - as opposed to Roslin - present at Zarek and Gaeta's execution?
* What will be done to the 25 ships who did not obey Roslin's order to power down their FTL drives?
* Will the FTL upgrades proceed once order has been brought back completely?
* Will there be a faction that will attempt to portray Zarek or Gaeta as martyrs?
* Do the Articles of Colonization include pre-approval language for the joining of the fabled "13th Tribe", now known to be Cylons? Such is often the case of comparable federation constitutions; the United States' former [[wikipedia:Articles of Confederation|Articles of Confederation]] included such language with respect to "Canada" (meaning Ontario) and Bermuda.
* Were Gaeta and Zarek given trials?
* How much time passed between the mutiny and the execution?
* Did Zarek subsequently target the absent members of the Quorum for assassination? Do any of them, other than Lee, live through the mutiny?

== Character Development ==
*''In the [[Miniseries]] (in the teaser) the first time we see Lt. Felix Gaeta and then-Commander Adama, Gaeta was handing him routine reports-and also unknown to them the first indications of trouble-while he was practicing his public address on the occasion of ''Galactica'''s-and his-retirement. It is of note considering what we now know of what the unimaginable future had for them:''

:'''Gaeta''': Morning, sir. (hands him messages) Com traffic from the midwatch.

:'''Adama:''' Morning. (re: messages) Anything interesting?

:'''Gaeta:''' Mostly housekeeping. Oh, there is one odd message we were copied on. (shows him the message) The one from Fleet headquarters. Courier officer's overdue coming back from Armistice station.

:'''Adama:''' Hm.

:'''Gaeta:''' They're asking for a status report on all FTL capable ships in case they need someone to jump out there tomorrow and see if his ship's had a mechanical problem.

:'''Adama:''' I think we're a little busy tomorrow, Mr. Gaeta. What do you think?

:'''Gaeta:''' (grins) Yes, sir. And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years.

:'''Adama:''' It's been my honor, good luck on your next assignment.

*It's also interesting to note that the first time Roslin meets a Number Two, he is trying to sabotage the fleet and she has him executed ([[Flesh and Bone]]); in this episode she and a Number Two are seen cooperating and sharing a friendly moment. It may have even been the same Number Two, as Leoben is still alive and has been prominent among the rebels.

== Official Statements ==
*[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-gaeta-blood-scales-angeli.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Michael Angeli about the episode:], The Six who sleeps with Baltar on the baseship is named [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]].

* ''[[Richard Hatch]] discusses his desire for a [[Tom Zarek]] interview prior to Zarek's execution:''

: I actually want to do the final Tom Zarek interview before he gets blown out the airlock, which they didn’t show, on the show. They had [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] talk to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], but you never got to see what Zarek was feeling. And I always wanted to do the final Zarek interview, you know, a little bit like the [[w:David Frost|David Frost]] interview with [[w:Richard Nixon|[Richard] Nixon]], where you could understand a little more deeply where he was coming from.

: I always wanted to go into that, just because I always felt that some people missed the point. They took sides, on who they liked more, as opposed to seeing what was really happening there. And art is not just about entertainment, not about taking sides; it’s about challenging your thinking, seeing things outside the box and expanding your mind, and seeing things from a larger viewpoint.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II|date=13 August 2009|accessdate=14 August 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*'''''Tom Zarek''' delivers his ultimatum to '''Laura Roslin''''':
:'''Zarek''': This is Tom Zarek, President of the Twelve Colonies. It's over, Laura. Saul Tigh was killed attempting to escape. Bill Adama was tried and found guilty of his crimes. A firing squad executed him this morning. It's done, Laura. You want to think about the people of this fleet now, and surrender.
:'''Roslin''': No. Not now. Not ever. Do you hear me? I will use every cannon, every bomb, every bullet, every weapon I have down to my own eyeteeth to end you. I swear it!''' ''I'm coming for all of you!'''''
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is disturbed by the sight of the slaughtered Quorum delegates:
:'''Gaeta''': We--we had the truth on our side. Now . . . now . . .
:'''Zarek''': The truth is told by whoever is left standing.
*'''''Lee Adama''' has just thrown a grenade towards the marines guarding the Cylon Prisoners, allowing him and '''Kara Thrace''' to kill them, after which Kara takes cover and Lee looks at her both amused and pleased with himself:
:'''Lee Adama''': ''walking forward and picking up the Grenade'' I never pulled the pin.
:'''Kara Thrace''': Ok, that is not funny.
:'''Lee Adama''': It would have been if you had thought of it.
:'''Kara Thrace''': No, still not funny.
*'''''Laura Roslin''''' broadcasting to the fleet:
:'''Roslin''': This is President Laura Roslin speaking from the Cylon baseship. Felix Gaeta has seized ''Galactica'' by force. The Cylons were defending themselves. They will not harm you. I repeat, the Cylons will not harm you. I am asking all ships' captains not to jump. Do not jump! Shut down your FTL drives!
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is about to be executed for his crimes:
:'''Gaeta''': (referring to the pain from his lost leg) It stopped.
*'''''Gaeta''' pours himself and Baltar a cup of what looks like Admiral Adama's coffee and Baltar looks at it confused:
:'''Gaeta''': Spoils of war.
*'''''Adama''' regains control of CIC and captures '''Gaeta''' and '''Zarek''':
:'''Adama''': ''(to a CIC crewmember)'' Connect me with the President.
:'''Crewmember''': Right away Admiral.
:''(Adama puts down his gun and picks up the phone)''
:'''Adama''': Madam President, this is the Admiral! Stand down! I repeat ''Galactica'' secure, stand down!
:''(Roslin, Baltar and the Cylons are clearly relieved with Roslin and an Eight even crying)''
:'''Roslin''': ''(tearfully)'' Bill!

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate [[Dahlia]]
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Adrian Holmes]] as Marine [[Parr]]

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== Overview ==
:''[[Felix Gaeta]]'s mutiny continues while [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] finds refuge on the rebel Cylon [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]].''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===
* Rebel marines led by [[Aaron Kelly]] storm the airlock and capture [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh]] both of whom were stunned by a flash grenade.
* Tigh recognizes Kelly and calls him "the brig rat." Kelly is visibly uneasy about all this.
* Meanwhile, the [[Raptor]] with President [[Roslin]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] on board heads for the [[Basestar (RDM)#Rebel basestar|Basestar]].
* A pair of Vipers, piloted by Narcho and Hotdog, pursue the Raptor. Hotdog, who is unaware of the mutiny on ''Galactica'', gets the Raptor in his sights, but doesn't fire. Instead he orders the Raptor to identify itself.
* Narcho tells Hotdog to destroy the Raptor, but Hotdog continues to ask for the target's identification.
* Roslin transmits a message from the Raptor saying that she is aboard the Raptor. [[Gage]] blocks the transmission, but not before Hotdog receives it.
* [[Gaeta]], now in command of the CIC, contacts Hotdog and orders him to destroy the Raptor. When Hotdog continues to hold his fire, Narcho goes in and launches a pair of missiles at the Raptor.
* The [[Eight]] piloting the Raptor successfully avoids the missiles, which hit the Basestar instead. The Raptor successfully docks at the Basestar.
* Gaeta orders Colonel Tigh to be placed in the brig with the other Cylons, but orders Admiral Adama to be brought to the CIC.
* On board the Basestar, the Cylons demand to know why they're being fired upon. Roslin explains the situation. Fearing that the government has been overthrown, the Cylons want to jump away from the Fleet.
* Roslin insists that they give Adama a chance to retake ''Galactica''. Baltar points out that it's unlikely that Adama will win and that Gaeta and Zarek have the majority of support on ''Galactica''. Roslin counters that they've already seen evidence that not all of ''Galactica'''s crew support the mutiny.
* Roslin tells the Cylons to move their ship into the middle of the Fleet, so that ''Galactica'' won't be able to fire upon them.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Adama is brought to the CIC. Gaeta asks him to call Roslin and convince her to surrender.
* Adama refuses and instead pulls off his admiral pins. He throws them to Gaeta and sarcastically tells Gaeta that he's the admiral now and to make the call himself.
* Gaeta orders gun batteries to target the Basestar, but before they can do so, the Basestar moves into the middle of the Fleet. Gaeta calls off the attack and orders the Basestar to be quarantined. He also gives orders to prepare for [[Tom Zarek]]'s arrival.
* Adama asks Gaeta if he's planning on shooting him. Gaeta gives no response.

=== Act 1 ===
* ''[[Colonial One]]'' lands on ''Galactica'''s flight deck, with Zarek and the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] on board.
* Kelly, Narcho, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]], [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]], and other rebels escort Zarek from the flight deck, while [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] watch, hidden behind some machinery. Once they are out of sight, Lee and Starbuck move on.
* In a Raptor aboard the rebel Baseship, Roslin attempts to transmit a signal to anyone who will listen, without success.
* In the holding cell, Hera looks with concern at Helo's head wound. Athena attempts to assure her that he will get better.
* Caprica-Six nurses Tigh's ear, bleeding from the stun grenade.
* Anders wonders aloud what Gaeta will do. Tigh quips, "In your case, cut off one of your frakking legs."
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta tells Zarek that he has "a net" over the Baseship, and thus Zarek did not need to bring the entire Quorum with him to ''Galactica''. Zarek replies that as long as Gaeta insists on having a trial for Adama, he wants the Quorum where he can keep an eye on them. Zarek says they need to move on, but Gaeta replies that before that can happen, people must answer for what they've done, beginning with Adama.
* Tyrol continues to sneak through the corridors of ''Galactica'' unnoticed. On Deck D Corridor 2, he hears the sound of a door opening and runs for cover.
* Hidden from view, Tyrol observes Kelly and two rebel marines escorting [[Romo Lampkin]] at gunpoint. Romo wonders if anyone will feed his dog.
* In Adama's quarters, Zarek reads the charges against Adama: treason, desertion, giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and gross dereliction of duty. Zarek reminds him that the punishment for these crimes is death by firing squad. All the while, Adama glares at Gaeta.
* Zarek tells Romo that the Admiral is entitled to a court martial, but they need a lawyer to handle his defense. Adama mutters, "They need a pimp."
* Romo wonders why they are doing all of this. Gaeta replies, "For justice." Romo, considering the tone of the room, conjectures that if he should choose to pass on this "field trip for justice," that the two marines guarding him will instead use him for target practice. Zarek impatiently tells him to just do his job.
* Zarek goes on to say that "Commander" Gaeta will represent the people, and that Zarek himself will be serving as judge. Romo wonders if they've run out of ship's captains. Gaeta replies that the captains are busy defending their ships against the Basestar Adama welcomed into the Fleet. "Shove it up your ass," Adama tells Gaeta pointedly.
* Gaeta continues to argue with a mockingly defiant Adama. Adama points out that the rebel Cylons gave "aid and comfort" to the fleet, not vice versa. As the argument begins to escalate, Romo asks for a few minutes with Adama.
* On the Basestar, Roslin continues to unsuccessfully try to use the Raptor's communication system to contact anyone, with the Cylons looking on. A Six remarks that they no longer have the protection of the Fleet, and the Viper patrols are becoming increasingly bold, firing into space, inviting the Cylons to react. Tory Foster tells the other Cylons that they should all talk.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol uses a crowbar to pry the cover off of a service tunnel, and crawls inside.
* On ''Colonial One'', Zarek addresses the Quorum. As Zarek speaks in support of Gaeta's leadership of the military, the Quorum delegates are visibly concerned. Zarek tells the Quorum that he has brought them to ''Galactica'' to show Gaeta that the Quorum delegates are people who, "at the end of the day, still stand by your president." At this, the Quorum bursts into an excited discussion, which ends with [[Jacob Cantrell]] telling Zarek, "I think you should leave now, Mr. Vice President." The other delegates are in agreement.
* Zarek walks out of the conference room in defeat. In the adjacent corridor, he tells two marines, "Shoot them." Zarek then tells Kelly to get Gaeta. Kelly walks away to the sounds of screams and gunfire. He is visibly disturbed by the sounds.

=== Act 2 ===
* On ''Colonial One'', Gaeta looks in horror on the slain Quorum delegates, and angrily rebukes Zarek. Zarek reminds him that Gaeta began the coup, and that this is just another consequence of that. Gaeta is in disbelief, remarking that until now they had the truth on their side. Zarek tells him that the truth is told by whoever is left standing, and reminds him that Adama must be eliminated.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol continues to crawl through a cramped and dirty service tunnel.
* On the rebel Baseship, Tory informs Roslin that the Cylons have decided to jump away to ensure their own survival. The Six tells Roslin that Gaeta will likely execute Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and any of the others who oppose him, such as Kara, Helo, and Adama.
* Roslin urges the Cylons to stay, reminding them that they have all made a habit out of beating the odds, particularly William Adama, and that when he returns to command, he will know who stuck with him and who ran.
* Tyrol crawls out of the duct into an empty munitions locker, where he is met at gunpoint by Kelly. Tyrol notes that the rebels sprang him from the brig.
* Kelly tells him to get out of the duct, but Tyrol says that he is too tired and that Kelly should just shoot him. Kelly replies that he's a machine, to which Tyrol replies that Kelly is a "dumbass." Kelly and Tyrol both begin laughing at this, and Kelly lowers his rifle.
* They both hear the sounds of gunfire in the distance. Kelly remarks, "This was a hell of a ship once." Tyrol agrees. Kelly tells Tyrol he heard his child wasn't a Cylon, and that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was "trouble." Tyrol laughs, saying it would not have mattered.
* After collecting himself, Kelly again points his rifle at Tyrol, but when Tyrol braces himself for the shot, Kelly instead tells him to leave, yelling "Go on skinjob, go!" After Tyrol crawls back into the duct, Kelly berates himself.
* In Adama's quarters, Romo hands Adama a pen to sign a statement. Adama refuses, but Romo urges him to put his innocence on record, and to give his people time to retake the ship.
* One of the rebels who was guarding the holding cell goes to the latrine, where Starbuck smashes his head into the wall.
[[Image:Lida.jpg|thumb|Lida approaching Baltar.]]
* On the rebel Baseship, a Six named [[Lida]] asks Baltar if he is injured. He replies that they typically use the word "damaged" instead of "injured."
* In the corridor outside the holding cell, Lee and Starbuck argue over the best way to overpower the guards. Lee throws a grenade into their midst, and in the ensuing panic Lee and Starbuck gun them all down. Immediately after the last guard goes down, Starbuck ducks for cover, but an amused Lee nonchalantly walks to the thrown grenade and picks it back up. He tells Starbuck that he never pulled the pin, to which she states, "Not funny."
* With the guards dispatched, Lee and Starbuck free the prisoners, but Lee is upset to learn that his father is not among them.
* On their way out of the cell, Starbuck and Anders search the guards for weapons, but Lee tells them that they are quickly running out of time.
* A rebel turns the corner and fires at Starbuck and Anders. Starbuck shoots the rebel in the chest, but not before Anders is struck by a bullet in the neck, causing him to stumble.

=== Act 3 ===
* While Lee covers them, Starbuck looks after a wounded Anders. Sounds of yelling and gunfire indicate that there is fighting nearby. Lee insists that they need to leave.
* Tigh tells Caprica-Six to take Hera to Baltar's followers for safety, as "no one wants to go near those nutjobs." She insists she can take care of herself.
* Lee yells for Tigh to help him get Anders off the ground, but Starbuck tells Lee to go after his father instead. Athena and the others go with Lee and Tigh, while Starbuck stays with an incoherent Anders to try to get him to Doc Cottle for medical treatment.
* In Adama's quarters, the "court martial" proceeds apace, with Gaeta arguing that Adama deserted them on New Caprica. Romo objects, saying Gaeta is badgering the witness. Not surprisingly, his objection goes unheard by Zarek.
* As Adama continues to mock Gaeta, Zarek receives a call telling him that Tigh and the other "skinjobs" escaped. Zarek tells Adama and the others that Tigh was killed trying to escape. At the news of his longtime friend's death, Adama shows the first signs of emotion, and tells Gaeta that he is not answering any more of his questions.
* Zarek declares the prisoner guilty as charged, upsetting Romo, who says, "This isn't a trial, this is an asylum." Zarek angrily grabs Romo and pushes him against the bulkhead.
* Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, prompting a smile from Adama and looks of concern from everyone else. Roslin announces that Gaeta took command of ''Galactica'' by force, and that the Cylons were merely defending themselves when they moved the baseship into the Fleet. She then commands the Fleet ships to power down their FTL drives.
* On the rebel Baseship, Roslin exclaims that their signal could not be jammed. Behind her, a [[Number Two|Leoben]] is leaning on a device with flashing red lights, to which the Raptor's comm system is presumably connected. "I thought this would do the trick," he says with a grin.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Starbuck slowly drags an unconscious Anders a short distance before falling on the floor, exhausted. [[Parr]], the rebel marine escorting a bound Romo, happens upon them, commanding Starbuck to show him her hands. Romo readies his pen. Starbuck draws her sidearm and pulls the trigger, but the weapon is empty. Seizing his opportunity, Romo stabs his captor in the neck repeatedly with his pen. After removing his restraints, he retrieves his sunglasses and a sidearm from the fallen guard.
* Starbuck implores Romo to help her get Anders to Dr. Cottle, but Romo refuses, citing the fact that on the way there, he and his "friend" had already been shot at twice, once by his own men. Further considering the situation, an obviously conflicted Romo chooses to turn around and help.
* In CIC, Gage informs Gaeta that ten of the thirty-five ships remaining in the Fleet shut down their FTL drives after Roslin's announcement. Narcho is upset, but Gaeta tells him that Roslin did them a favor in exposing those ships who would cause them trouble. Gaeta tells Gage to give jump coordinates only to those ships that kept their FTL drives online, and to order them to jump immediately.
* Gaeta then tells Narcho to assemble an execution detail comprised of men he can trust, to secure the main hangar bay launch tube, and to take Adama down there and await further orders. Narcho shows some reluctance, but he insists that Gaeta can count on him "all down the line."
* Gaeta asks Zarek, who is waiting nearby, if he is spying on him. Zarek insists that they simply need to get through the current predicament, and move on.
* In a corridor somewhere on ''Galactica'', Narcho leads a team of six rebel marines who are escorting Adama to the launch tube, with Kelly walking behind the group. After some consideration, Kelly breaks off from the group and goes to the [[memorial hallway]], where he drops his rifle and breaks down in tears.
* In a nearby corridor, Tigh and Athena keep watch while Lee opens a service panel and disconnects a power line, causing the main lights to go out. Sounds of gunfire indicate there is still heavy fighting nearby.
* Tyrol continues to crawl through service tubes, this time crawling behind a latrine. He coughs and gags at the smell.
* In the memorial hallway, Lee confronts Kelly, who is nearly catatonic with grief. He finally admits to Lee that the others are planning on executing Adama in the main launch tube. Lee moves to punch Kelly, but Tigh pulls him away. As they run to the hangar deck, Kelly picks up his rifle and runs after them, yelling, "I'm coming with you!"
* On the rebel Baseship, Baltar dreams of Adama's death by firing squad, which wakes him violently. In bed with him, Lida attempts to comfort him, but Baltar rebuffs her, saying that he has run for his life yet again. She tells him that fear makes people act differently, but he says that he did not run out of fear this time.
* For the first time, Baltar admits that he is merely playing the role of religious leader to humor his followers, and that he privately scorns their "provincial intellects" and their unfailing willingness to make him feel better; however, he also admits that he feels responsible for them, and that he must go back.
* On the hangar deck, Adama is tied to a chair in the main launch tube by a marine while Narcho stands nearby, distressed. As Narcho walks towards the eight marines with rifles at the ready, Adama spits.
* From the rebel Baseship, Roslin gives the rebels five minutes to return command to Admiral Adama.
* In CIC, an increasingly concerned Zarek listens to Roslin's ultimatum, and looks around for Gaeta, who is absent.
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta walks to Adama's desk, where he drops the admiral pins on ''Galactica'''s watch log. He then calls Narcho, telling him to carry out the execution.
* On the hangar deck, Narcho replies, "Yes, sir," and hangs up with Tigh pointing a sidearm at his head. Meanwhile, Lee unties his father from the chair in the launch tube, and Kelly and Athena have their rifles pointed at eight marines, all disarmed and kneeling with hands behind their heads.
* Adama is overjoyed to see Tigh, whom he was told was dead. Tigh replies that for a while, he was.
* Adama addresses the kneeling, disarmed marines, saying, "I'm gonna take back my ship." Adama then addresses Narcho, who tells him that while he has always respected him, he hates the Cylons, and he cannot take orders from a leader who won't fight them. At this, Tigh raises his weapon to Narcho's head, but Adama orders him to stand down, and orders Narcho to be tied up instead.
* Sitting at Adama's desk, Gaeta removes his prosthesis and scratches the stump underneath.
* Deep in the bowels of ''Galactica'', Tyrol finally has enough room to crouch rather than crawl, allowing him to move faster.
* In CIC, Zarek orders Vireem to pass him through to Roslin. As Gaeta walks into CIC, Zarek addresses Roslin on the rebel Baseship, introducing himself as the President of the Twelve Colonies. He announces that Tigh was killed in an escape attempt, and that Adama was tried, found guilty of his crimes, and was executed by firing squad earlier that morning. Zarek insists that Roslin think of the welfare of the people of the Fleet, and surrender.
* Roslin vehemently refuses, vowing to use every weapon at her disposal to come after Zarek and the other mutineers. The weapon emplacements on the Baseship open, targeting ''Galactica''.

=== Act 4 ===
* In CIC, after Zarek's statements to Roslin, Gaeta remarks that now they have a military leader and a president in one. Zarek questions how Gaeta would have handled the situation, had he been there.
* Gage indicates that the Baseship is arming itself, and that they are jump ready. Gaeta orders the board be set to green, and a crew member inserts the FTL key at gunpoint.
* Tyrol rushes down a set of stairs in ''Galactica'''s FTL engine room.
* Adama marches towards CIC, leading an increasingly large group of marines, officers, and enlisted crew.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol breaks open the door to the auxiliary control station, and attempts to shut down the FTL drive with his command code.
* As Adama and his group of loyalists continue their march to CIC, Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, commanding ''Galactica'' to surrender.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol's command code is denied (as he is not currently in active duty). Instead he looks to some nearby machinery and, with some effort, removes a [[Sync coil|vital component]] and shuts down the FTL drive.
* In CIC, Gage announces the FTL drive's shutdown. Zarek begins ordering crew members to look into it, but no one moves. He tells Gaeta to launch Vipers to defend themselves, but Gaeta ignores him, and instead recalls his own words: "One day soon there's gonna be a reckoning."
* Gage announces that gun batteries have fixed target bearings and are ready to fire. With Zarek at a near-panic, Gaeta realizes they are defeated, and orders a weapons hold.
* Adama arms himself with the sidearm from a nearby marine, and the group storms CIC. No resistance is offered by the mutineers who, outmatched, surrender without a fight.
* Adama gets on the wireless, identifies himself, confirms that he has retaken command, and tells Roslin to stand down. Roslin, Baltar, and even the Cylons are relieved to hear his voice with Roslin and at least one Eight in tears.
* Zarek, Gaeta, and the other mutineers are taken away at gunpoint. While Gaeta and Adama exchange a stare, Adama has nothing to say to his fomrer loyal officer and merley gestures for Kelly and Athena to take him away.
* In the FTL engine room, an exhausted Tyrol drops the component as the massive FTL drive slowly come to a halt. As he turns to the bulkhead, he notices some significant structural damage which concerns him greatly.
* On ''Galactica'', Roslin climbs down a ladder and, seeing Adama alive for the first time since she boarded the Raptor, cries tears of joy. The two leaders walk together, his arm around her.
* In Gaeta's quarters, Gaeta and Baltar are smoking cigarettes - something Gaeta has not been seen doing for quite some time and drink coffee which Gaeta calls the "spoils of war." Gaeta is telling Baltar of the many careers he once dreamed of pursuing: architecture, medicine, engineering, photography, and finally, science.
* Baltar, on the verge of tears, begins to say something, but Gaeta stops him. He assures Baltar that he is fine with the way things turned out, and that his only wish is that eventually, people realize who he is. Baltar tells Gaeta that he knows who he is.
* Gaeta and Zarek are seated in the main launch tube of the hangar deck, with Adama, Lee, Tigh, and Baltar standing behind the firing squad.
* Just before Adama orders the execution detail to fire, Gaeta looks down at his severed leg in astonishment and remarks, "It stopped" refering to the intense pain he has had since he lost his leg.
*The squad fires, killing Gaeta and Zarek.

== Notes ==
*The punchline of the joke that [[Tom Zarek]] tells [[Racetrack]] as he is escorted from the flight deck suggests that pedophilia by priests may have been an issue among the [[Religion_in_the_Twelve_Colonies_(RDM)|clergy of the Twelve Colonies]], similar to [[w:Abuse_by_members_of_Roman_Catholic_orders|anecdotes and allegations]] involving the Roman Catholic Church.
*The [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] were murdered on Zarek's order for supporting President Roslin. [[Lee Adama]] survived as he wasn't present during the Quorum session. Two other regular Quorum members (Gemenon Delegate and one other delegate) were replaced by temporary stand-ins (who were killed), and their fate is unknown.
*Romo Lampkin while being forced to serve as Adama's lawyer during his trial he referred to two looming Marine guards as "Wynken and Blynken". This was in reference to the poem of ''[[Wikipedia:Wynken, Blynken, and Nod|Wynken, Blynken, and Nod]]'', a late 19th century Dutch child's lullaby by [[Wikipedia:Eugene Field|Eugene Field]] about three fishermen fishing in the starry night in the sky with the help of the moon and uses a magic wooden shoe as their boat.<ref>[http://www3.amherst.edu/~rjyanco94/literature/eugenefield/poems/poemsofchildhood/wynkenblynkenandnod.html Wynken, Blynken, and Nod" Lullaby]</ref>
*This episode marks the death of Felix Gaeta and Tom Zarek, who are executed by firing squad for their mutiny against Adama and the government.
*The character Captain Kelly was last seen during season 3 when he was arrested for his bombing and assassinations of Baltar's lawyers. His character has appeared intermittently since the show began and it is fitting that he would be a double-turn coat as he was part of the original senior staff and his love for Admiral Adama is proven to be stronger than his hatred for the Cylons.
*The events depicted in "The Oath" and "Blood on the Scales" cover approximately nine hours: Tigh enters Adama's quarters at 0620 at the beginning of "The Oath", culminates with Gaeta seizing the CIC at 0922, and concludes with Adama and his loyalists retaking the CIC at 1532 in "Blood on the Scales". The executions of Gaeta and Zarek, however, take place at an unspecified time later.
*The firing-squad executions of Gaeta and Zarek mark the first time a method of execution other than [[airlock|airlocking]] has been used on screen (apart from the non-judicial summary executions in ''[[Razor]]''), although the action takes place in the same location where most recent airlocking incidents have occurred. In "[[Dirty_Hands#Act_4|Dirty Hands]]", Admiral Adama threatens to have [[Cally Tyrol]] shot as a mutineer, suggesting that the firing squad is the standard means of execution for humans that commit mutiny.
*The ship's [[FTL]] drive is seen for the first time.
*Baltar becomes involved with a previously-unseen copy of [[Number Six]] (referenced off-screen by the name [[Lida]]). Discounting his [[Messengers|Messenger Six]], this makes the third copy of Six with whom he has had relations, after [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Gina Inviere]].

== Analysis ==
*Despite all of the support that Gaeta and Zarek seemed to have at the beginning of the mutiny, Roslin and Adama had more support from people opposed to it and possibly people who rethought it like Kelly. On Roslin and Adama's side were ''Galactica's'' senior staff (the members of CIC were either people on Gaeta's side or forced to work at gunpoint by marines), at least most of the crew given how many people joined Adama's march to CIC, the Quorum of Twelve and the Cylons and Baltar's followers. Gaeta and Zarek had the supporters they'd managed to gather amongst ''Galactica's'' crew and about 25 ships who refused Roslin's order to stand down FTL drives. In the end Adama and Roslin were successful because the people supported them more and Adama had enough respect from his crew that he was able to turn a lot back to his side just by stating his intention to retake the ship and walking by others. Gaeta and Zarek had to use force to get what they wanted. Many people, both in support of Gaeta/Zarek and in opposition, were killed. Given the death count, 40 in the first four hours of the mutiny, from 06:32 hours when Zarek was released from the Brig to sometime after 10:30 hours when Adama and Tigh are captured in the stowage bay (with most of the killing starting shortly after 09:02 hours after Capt. [[Kara Thrace]] rescues Delegate [[Lee Adama]] in the Hanger Deck. [[Peter Laird]] was the very first death, occuring shortly before 07:00 hours.), the attack on those Loyal to Adama was vicious. The break down of mutineer and loyalist deaths hasn't been given yet, but it is most likely that most of these deaths were those loyal to Adama since Gaeta/Zarek forces had the elements of both surprise and preparation in their favor. The 40 figure only represents the deaths by the end of "[[The Oath]]", near the approximate halfway point of the mutiny at 10:30 hours. With the retaking of CIC by Adama and Tigh, the mutiny ended at 15:32 hours, approximately nine hours elapsed time (there may have been resisters after that time not wishing to be taken into custody). Mutiny death figures since 10:30 hours, including the murder of the Quorum delegates, will be reflected in the survivor population count after the teaser of "[[No Exit]]" unless otherwise indicated.
*Gaeta's sudden lack of pain in his amputated leg signals that his chronic pain (which he tried to numb with painkillers during the webisodes) was partially psychological. Once he was at peace with who he was and what he had done, his mental pain and much of his physical pain and itching disappeared. His last words acknowledged that the irritation had stopped.
*The marines who eventually joined Adama's side near the end of the episode indicates that other mutineers simply were part of the coup out of self-preservation or at least wanting to be on the "winning" side. Once it was clear that Adama and the senior staff were rising up and reclaiming the ship, the marines, and others finally arose as well.
*By sparing Narcho's life, Admiral Adama characteristically shows his love and compassion for those who serve under him. Despite his speech of "no forgiveness" in "The Oath", it is clear that Adama will attempt to give the some of the mutineers a second chance.
**Not likely, the podcast for Deadlocked says they were all imprisoned on the ''Astral Queen''.
**Adama grants clemency to those volunteering for the rescue of Hera. However, this was out of a desperate need for as many people as possible and the only ones shown for sure to take it were Nowart, Racetrack and Skulls, the later two of which died in the battle.
*From a pragmatic standpoint, Humanity, such at the verge of extinction anyways, can not afford to lose large numbers of people.
*The mutineers at no point subdued all resistance aboard ''Galactica''. As Adama marched on CIC, many crew members rushed to join him, indicating that they were either still resisting or were waiting for a sign that the tide had turned. CIC also was controlled by Gaeta through the use of marines who held most of the staff at gunpoint.
* Tyrol, while attempting to disable Galactica's jump drive notices odd tears in the hull near the FTL assembly. It is not known whether this was hull stress caused by Tyrol disabling the FTL as the ship was about to jump, or an as-yet unexplained problem that has an impact on Galactica's hull.
**''Galactica'' may be suffering from serious long term metal fatigue and/or cumulative battle damage, as evidenced by the bulkhead deformation Tyrol discovers in the FTL drive room. Over the course of the series, Tigh has made a number of comments on ''Galactica's'' worsening structural condition, especially in absence of any possibility for repair at a shipyard. The ship itself is 50+ years old and has seen combat in two wars against the Cylons, and after all the damage its taken - the [[Battle of New Caprica]] being the most obvious example - it is not all that surprising to see the ship's structural integrity begin to fail like this.
** It is extremely unlikely that the damage witnessed by Tyrol was a result of his improper shut-down of the FTL, a tear of that size in metal would likely have been extremely loud and Tyrol does not notice the damage until he just happens to glance up at it. While it is possible that the FTL drive spun up would be louder than the sound of such a crack there is also no strong vibrations shown either in engineering or on the bridge, which would no doubt accompany such a large tear. Given that the area where Tyrol is an auxiliary control center, which is unlikely the be manned unless there is a problem with the FTL drives or for periodic maintenance, it is eminently possible that the tear has been there for some time since it has been quite some time since Galactica has been depicted as having FTL problem. However, as were are dealing with a device that can bend time and space, nothing can be completely discredited at this point.
*Roslin threatens to attack ''Galactica'' if Gaeta and Zarek do not surrender. Numerous missile emplacements are then shown opening along the arms of the rebel basestar. Due to the known incompetence of ''Galactica's'' mutineer crew (Gage being unable to jam Roslin's transmission in [[The Oath]] without Gaeta's help), the chaos aboard ''Galactica'' with a mutiny still ongoing, and ''Galatica's'' status as an undermanned vessel, it is possible that the basestar could have successfully engaged and destroyed ''Galactica'' or at least severely damaged her enough to prevent her escaping.
*Captain Kelly, after having been locked up in the brig for his attempts to assassinate Baltar's lawyers, still holds a deep love for the Galactica and her commander. As he was a part of the original senior leadership (3rd in command as shown after Adama's near-assassination), his nostalgic comments with Tyrol indicated his withering resolve to be part of the coup. In addition, being a witness to the cruelty of Zarek with the Quorum was probably the first catalyst for his repentance.
*Gaeta, prior to his execution, is shown smoking and having drinks with Baltar. This is significant as Gaeta is rarely shown smoking during the show, and when it is shown, it was done when Gaeta finally felt free to be who he wanted to be. The first time was during his taped interview with D'Anna where he "let his hair down" so to speak. Incorporating a final smoke for Gaeta seemed appropriate to allow the audience to see a humanized Gaeta again.
*Gaeta and Baltar have a civil conversation before Gaeta's execution indicating that the two have forgiven each other for thier past transgressions: Gaeta trying to kill Baltar and Baltar's involvement with the Cylons on New Caprica.
*Baltar, despite admitting to not really liking his followers, has developed a sense of responsibility towards them as shown when he's speaking with [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]] about them and deciding to go back. This is the first time that Baltar has been shown to truly care about something besides himself indicating he may have changed somewhat.
*Dialogue in this episode indicates there are 35 civilian ships left in the fleet. This is the first time since abandoning [[New Caprica]] that significant information on the number of ships left in the fleet has emerged. This number doesn't seem to tally with the observed losses in the fleet since the first season, although the number of ships has been portrayed inconsistently throughout the miniseries and the main seasons (a figure in the mid 70s being mentioned in [[Home, Part I]]). The figure of 35 stated here- indicating a loss of half the fleet's ships- seems somewhat inconsistent with a the human population that has only declined by about one fifth since the arrival of Pegasus's crew which bolstered the number of survivors to close to 50,000. Ships being abandoned on New Caprica or afterwards may explain this strikingly low number unless it is a continuity error. If 35 is a correct figure, the other ships in the fleet must have somehow found a way to take a huge number of extra people aboard.
**It is possible that the 35 civilian ships that were mentioned were the total number of ships that had initially sided with Zarek and Gaeta, rather than the entire number of ships in the fleet. If they had been ready to jump at Zarek and Gaeta's order, their FTL drives would have been spun up. With Roslin's broadcast, though, 10 of the 35 would have switched sides again and shut down their FTLs, indicating the end of their desire to follow the coup leaders.
*Ronald D Moore has commented that ''Galactica'' is severely undermanned at this point and therefore large parts of the ship are empty, making it easier for mutineers and counter-mutineers to move around unobserved. This however is contradicted by the fact that ''Galactica'' now has the crew of ''Pegasus'' aboard and the ship has in fact been seen to be overcrowded. Even allowing for losses on New Caprica and the fact that ''Pegasus'' was undermanned, the ship should still have a larger crew compliment than when she began her journey. In orbit around New Caprica the two ships still had over 2000 personnel still serving and doubtless most if not all former crew re-enlisted after the evacuation of New Caprica. Galactica's combined crew have not been seen to have taken any substantial losses since leaving New Caprica that would leave much of the ship empty. This may be a retcon or continuity error. It should be noted, however, that a large proportion of the people on the ship following the escape from New Caprica were civilians who may have since been relocated. Furthermore, it may be that only certain areas of the ship - such as the living quarters - are overcrowded. The exact number of personnel that a fully manned ''Galactica'' should have is unknown.
*Despite [[Sharon Agathon]]'s vision-induced paranoia of a Six taking her daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]<ref>Sharon kills [[Natalie]] in "[[Sine Qua Non]]" when she sees the latter with Hera in a corridor after Sharon, President Roslin, and Caprica-Six all have a vision of a Six absconding with Hera at the opera house.</ref>, she does not protest [[Caprica-Six]] carrying Hera while Sharon supports her injured husband, [[Karl Agathon|Karl]]. It must be remembered that it was Caprica Six who aided in the escape of Athena with Hera from the Baseship after she got Helo to kill her so she would resurrect on the Baseship and recover their daughter. Caprica Six killed [[Sharon Valerii]] ("Boomer", who later resurrected) after Valerii tried to kill Hera for rejecting her and then Caprica Six helped get both Athena and Hera off the Baseship. Ironically, Caprica Six is the only character who has been seen specifically committing infanticide (not counting Baltar's dream about Adama drowning Hera).<ref>Caprica-Six snaps a human infant's neck in her first scene in the [[Miniseries]].</ref>
*Assuming the writers maintained their preference to mirror real-world military traditions, the firing squad assembled to execute Gaeta and Zarek would likely be composed of low-level mutineers who were treated with leniency and then required to seal their loyalty (and feelings of guilt) by executing their former conspirators.
*It isn't clear whether Gaeta and Zarek were given any sort of trial before being executed. Given Adama and Roslin's preference (albeit sometimes waveringly so) for maintaining the rule of law, it would be surprising if the lead mutineers were just shot out of hand.
* During Tyrol and Kelly's discussion in the arms locker, Kelly mentions that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was trouble, Tyrol's response "Thanks, it wouldn't have mattered", indicates that, even if he had known that Cally had been sleeping with Hot Dog, he would still have married her. This clearly indicates that Tyrol loved her, and the way in which he says it clearly indicates that he still does. This means that Tyrol's tirade against the Admiral after his wife's death was an act, possibly out of grief, possibly to get himself dismissed from the Deck Crew so he couldn't sabotage anything should he have any hidden programming.
* The Cylons among the fleet are, collectively, more loyal to Roslin and Adama (and more willing to forgive past conflicts) than are the humans.
*Despite Adama's obvious anger towards Gaeta, he may have been somewhat forgiving towards him at the end: Baltar is allowed to visit, it happens in Gaeta's quaters indicating that Adama didn't put him in the brig but locked him in his room and he's smoking cigarettes (which he may have had in his room) and drinks what looks like the Admiral's morning coffee which he calls the "spoils of war" indicating Adama may have given it to him. Also, Adama allows him to die wearing his uniform which he promised he wouldn't allow any of the mutineers to do.

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

* What will become of the other mutineers (Racetrack, Narcho, Seelix, etc)? Will Adama follow through with his promise of "no forgiveness"? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* Who will take over Gaeta's duties? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* What repercussions will the Quorum's assassination have on the Fleet? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* What is the significance of the damage Tyrol discovers in the engine room? Has it been there long, or is it a result of the improper shut down of the FTL drive? Do other areas of the ship show similar signs of damage? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* In the [[Miniseries]], Colonel Tigh tells Lt. Gaeta to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2". Why did Tyrol's deactivation of one FTL drive stop Gaeta from ordering the other's use? Is the other FTL drive still functional?
** Answer: The ship needs both FTL drives to make a proper jump, and Tyrol pulled the [[sync coil]] between the two.
* Will Anders survive his injuries? Were Starbuck and Lampkin even successful in getting him to sickbay? ([[No Exit|Partial Answer]])
* Will Helo survive his injuries? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* How will Baltar's new-found sense of responsibility toward his flock change his behavior? ([[Deadlock|Possible Answer]])
* Will the Cylons' assistance of, and subordination to, President Roslin (and/or Colonial political leaders' fears of being associated with the failed coup d'état) secure them the citizenship and Quorum representation they seek? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* With Zarek dead and Lee Adama being the only surviving member of the Quorum (or one of the few surviving members, considering that two regular delegates were replaced by stand-ins), will he become the new Vice President? ([[No Exit|Possible Answer]])
* Are ''Galactica'''s computers now networked? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* With most of the Quorum dead, will Roslin and Adama use the attempted mutiny as a basis to declare martial law? ([[No Exit|Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* Will Kelly be allowed to resume his duties on ''Galactica''?
* Is the same structural deficiency present near the other FTL drive?
* Will the rebel Cylons become less trusting of the humans as a result of this mutiny? Or will they be more inclined to trust certain humans, such as Roslin, since she managed to convince them to stay and follow her leadership?
* What was that device Roslin and Leoben were using to communicate with the rest of the Fleet?
* Why was Lee Adama - as opposed to Roslin - present at Zarek and Gaeta's execution?
* What will be done to the 25 ships who did not obey Roslin's order to power down their FTL drives?
* Will the FTL upgrades proceed once order has been brought back completely?
* Will there be a faction that will attempt to portray Zarek or Gaeta as martyrs?
* Do the Articles of Colonization include pre-approval language for the joining of the fabled "13th Tribe", now known to be Cylons? Such is often the case of comparable federation constitutions; the United States' former [[wikipedia:Articles of Confederation|Articles of Confederation]] included such language with respect to "Canada" (meaning Ontario) and Bermuda.
* Were Gaeta and Zarek given trials?
* How much time passed between the mutiny and the execution?
* Did Zarek subsequently target the absent members of the Quorum for assassination? Do any of them, other than Lee, live through the mutiny?

== Character Development ==
*''In the [[Miniseries]] (in the teaser) the first time we see Lt. Felix Gaeta and then-Commander Adama, Gaeta was handing him routine reports-and also unknown to them the first indications of trouble-while he was practicing his public address on the occasion of ''Galactica'''s-and his-retirement. It is of note considering what we now know of what the unimaginable future had for them:''

:'''Gaeta''': Morning, sir. (hands him messages) Com traffic from the midwatch.

:'''Adama:''' Morning. (re: messages) Anything interesting?

:'''Gaeta:''' Mostly housekeeping. Oh, there is one odd message we were copied on. (shows him the message) The one from Fleet headquarters. Courier officer's overdue coming back from Armistice station.

:'''Adama:''' Hm.

:'''Gaeta:''' They're asking for a status report on all FTL capable ships in case they need someone to jump out there tomorrow and see if his ship's had a mechanical problem.

:'''Adama:''' I think we're a little busy tomorrow, Mr. Gaeta. What do you think?

:'''Gaeta:''' (grins) Yes, sir. And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years.

:'''Adama:''' It's been my honor, good luck on your next assignment.

*It's also interesting to note that the first time Roslin meets a Number Two, he is trying to sabotage the fleet and she has him executed ([[Flesh and Bone]]); in this episode she and a Number Two are seen cooperating and sharing a friendly moment. It may have even been the same Number Two, as Leoben is still alive and has been prominent among the rebels.

== Official Statements ==
*[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-gaeta-blood-scales-angeli.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Michael Angeli about the episode:], The Six who sleeps with Baltar on the baseship is named [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]].

* ''[[Richard Hatch]] discusses his desire for a [[Tom Zarek]] interview prior to Zarek's execution:''

: I actually want to do the final Tom Zarek interview before he gets blown out the airlock, which they didn’t show, on the show. They had [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] talk to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], but you never got to see what Zarek was feeling. And I always wanted to do the final Zarek interview, you know, a little bit like the [[w:David Frost|David Frost]] interview with [[w:Richard Nixon|[Richard] Nixon]], where you could understand a little more deeply where he was coming from.

: I always wanted to go into that, just because I always felt that some people missed the point. They took sides, on who they liked more, as opposed to seeing what was really happening there. And art is not just about entertainment, not about taking sides; it’s about challenging your thinking, seeing things outside the box and expanding your mind, and seeing things from a larger viewpoint.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II|date=13 August 2009|accessdate=14 August 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*'''''Tom Zarek''' delivers his ultimatum to '''Laura Roslin''''':
:'''Zarek''': This is Tom Zarek, President of the Twelve Colonies. It's over, Laura. Saul Tigh was killed attempting to escape. Bill Adama was tried and found guilty of his crimes. A firing squad executed him this morning. It's done, Laura. You want to think about the people of this fleet now, and surrender.
:'''Roslin''': No. Not now. Not ever. Do you hear me? I will use every cannon, every bomb, every bullet, every weapon I have down to my own eyeteeth to end you. I swear it!''' ''I'm coming for all of you!'''''
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is disturbed by the sight of the slaughtered Quorum delegates:
:'''Gaeta''': We--we had the truth on our side. Now . . . now . . .
:'''Zarek''': The truth is told by whoever is left standing.
*'''''Lee Adama''' has just thrown a grenade towards the marines guarding the Cylon Prisoners, allowing him and '''Kara Thrace''' to kill them, after which Kara takes cover and Lee looks at her both amused and pleased with himself:
:'''Lee Adama''': ''walking forward and picking up the Grenade'' I never pulled the pin.
:'''Kara Thrace''': Ok, that is not funny.
:'''Lee Adama''': It would have been if you had thought of it.
:'''Kara Thrace''': No, still not funny.
*'''''Laura Roslin''''' broadcasting to the fleet:
:'''Roslin''': This is President Laura Roslin speaking from the Cylon baseship. Felix Gaeta has seized ''Galactica'' by force. The Cylons were defending themselves. They will not harm you. I repeat, the Cylons will not harm you. I am asking all ships' captains not to jump. Do not jump! Shut down your FTL drives!
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is about to be executed for his crimes:
:'''Gaeta''': (referring to the pain from his lost leg) It stopped.
*'''''Gaeta''' pours himself and Baltar a cup of what looks like Admiral Adama's coffee and Baltar looks at it confused:
:'''Gaeta''': Spoils of war.
*'''''Adama''' regains control of CIC and captures '''Gaeta''' and '''Zarek''':
:'''Adama''': ''(to a CIC crewmember)'' Connect me with the President.
:'''Crewmember''': Right away Admiral.
:''(Adama puts down his gun and picks up the phone)''
:'''Adama''': Madam President, this is the Admiral! Stand down! I repeat ''Galactica'' secure, stand down!
:''(Roslin, Baltar and the Cylons are clearly relieved with Roslin and an Eight even crying)''
:'''Roslin''': ''(tearfully)'' Bill!

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate [[Dahlia]]
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Adrian Holmes]] as Marine [[Parr]]

== References ==
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The Oath

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==Overview==
:''The opposition to the alliance with the rebel Cylons reaches its zenith, [[Felix Gaeta]] leads a mutiny aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and frees [[Tom Zarek]] from incarceration in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> brig.''

==Summary==
===Teaser===
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, the admiral offers the entering [[Saul Tigh]] a cup of algae-ground coffee, which Tigh refuses. Tigh reports that civilian captains are refusing to allow the rebel [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] to refit their [[FTL|jump]] drives for longer range.

* As Tigh continues his report, [[Laura Roslin]] enters from the admiral's private head, dressed only in a bathrobe and carrying a book. Her smile seems to indicate her enjoyment of Tigh's mild shock at her candid appearance and its implications.

* Gathering his composure, Tigh continues. The [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's]] attitude toward all Cylons ([[Final Five|Tigh included]]) would make it challenging for Tigh to solve the problem. Adama agrees.

* [[Felix Gaeta]] arrives at [[Tom Zarek]]'s cell in the [[brig]], accompanied by several [[marines]] and other crew. A crewman informs Gaeta that [[Narcho]] and Private Paley have secured a [[small arms locker]].
* Gaeta and Zarek talk about how to keep the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] from reacting badly to their plans, particularly [[Lee Adama]]. Gaeta advises Zarek to push Representative Adama's buttons, since he's "good at that."

* In the admiral's quarters, Roslin discusses the Fleet's issues [[A Disquiet Follows My Soul|for the first time in days]]. She and Adama both agree that the alliance with the rebel Cylons, and general amnesty they were given is not working, and that Lee Adama may not be able to convince the quorum otherwise. Roslin has to force herself to stop talking about the Fleet's problems, and the two say goodbye with affectionate small talk about having dinner ready for Adama when he returns from his shift.

* Gaeta's team escorts Zarek to the [[hangar deck]]. When [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]] sees them, she yells out, pretending that her [[Raptor]] has a serious fuel leak. This effectively clears most of the deck's occupants out, but [[Jeanne]] lingers unseen in the upper gangway above the deck, and observes everything.

* As Racetrack tells Gaeta that she's disabled the Raptor's transponder, Deck Chief [[Peter Laird]] steps in, questioning the authorization for the Raptor's departure. When Laird is not dissuaded from calling [[CIC]] to verify the ship's use, Zarek quietly picks up a wrench and strikes Laird on the skull, killing him. Jeanne swiftly runs from the gangway, having witnessed the murder.

* When Gaeta reacts in shock to Zarek's action, the Vice President tells Gaeta not to hold on to some "operatic ideal" of how his "revolution" must be handled; any hesitation could jeopardize their plans.

===Act 1===

* In [[CIC]], [[Hoshi]] notes a ship launch that he can't authenticate in the flight log--and [[DRADIS]] does not show any [[IFF|transponder ID]]. Gaeta, taking his place at his station, stalls Hoshi, advising him to look at other logs from the flight deck.
* When Tigh tells Adama quietly that he has had had [[Nowart]] gather marines for further action to compel other civliian ships to comply, Adama warns that doing the same thing as was done with the ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' a few days prior would likely destroy the likelihood of anyone in the Fleet supporting the fragile Cylon alliance.
* Hoshi continues to try to verify the flying contact as Gaeta tries to stall.

* On ''[[Colonial One]]'' as Lee Adama tries to placate an agitated Quorum, Zarek returns, to everyone's shock.

* [[Diana Seelix]] meets with [[Samuel Anders]] in one of the officer's quarters. She slyly talks about her attraction to him as other crew sneak up, blindfold and savagely beat him.

* As Adama hands Private [[Jaffee]] a log to file, Hoshi reports of a fire near the ship's [[wireless]] antenna array. As Adama gives orders for damage control teams to handle the issue, Gaeta warns that the "fire" might not be an accident. Adama agrees and orders [[marines]] to accompany the DC teams.

* In another officer's quarters, [[Kara Thrace]] teases [[Brendan Costanza]] about his new [[Nicholas Tyrol|fatherhood]], commenting how her decision of his pilot nickname of "Hotdog" was an apt one. Costanza angrily replies that Thrace has "[[frak]]ked half the Fleet" and has nothing to show for her similar indiscretions. Thrace throws her bowl of food as Costanza leaves.
* A split second later evacuation alarms ring out. When Thrace steps out to ask Narcho why he, a pilot, is handling damage control, Narcho nastily spurns her senior rank: "Nobody even knows [[The Destiny|what you are]] anymore."
* When Thrace sees a mix of marines and other civilians heading in the opposite direction, she follows them on gut reaction.
* Thrace sees the people break into a small arms locker, arming themselves, with [[Charlie Connor]] issuing orders to both military and civilian personnel. She runs back to her quarters grabs her sidearm and ammo and calls CIC. Gaeta ignores her warning of the break-in. Thrace quickly deduces what's going on.

* On ''Colonial One'', Lee Adama also tries to call his father regarding Zarek's release, but Gaeta blocks Adama's attempt to reach the admiral by claiming that the admiral is busy. Gaeta also feigns ignorance about Zarek's release.
* Zarek steps in, telling Lee that the admiral released him because Zarek would not be a threat if Adama didn't recognize civilian authority. Lee believes otherwise, and leaves for ''Galactica''.

* Gaeta fakes a shipwide communications failure, including backup systems.
* Lee Adama arrives on the hangar deck from his Raptor and is immediately accosted by [[Skulls]] and several others, intent on killing him as Racetrack watches on. "Where are your precious Cylons now?" Connor says as a marine points a gun to Adama's head.
* A shot rings out, but not from the gun Adama stares into. Kara Thrace has shot the marine with the gun and orders Adama's release. When Skulls objects, Thrace doesn't hesitate a second to shoot Skulls in the shoulder. "I can do this all day," she warns, pulling out a second sidearm.
* As Adama runs out, Thrace follows, warning the rest, "Follow me. Please," so she could have a better excuse to shoot them as well.

* As [[Sharon Agathon]] feeds her [[Hera Agathon|daughter]], [[Karl Agathon]] gets his uniform on and warns Sharon to get Hera to daycare.
* Just then, the hatchway on their quarters is being jostled. Someone is trying to get in, and soon succeeds: an angry mob, led by [[Gage]], a former ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' crewman who remembers Agathon's role in the accidental death of [[Alistair Thorne]].
* Gage gloats that he plans on raping Sharon Agathon later as marines beat Helo into unconsciousness.

===Act 2===

* Thrace and Lee Adama seal themselves in a dry storage locker, reviewing what's happened. "Semper frakkin' fi," Thrace hisses after checking a phone, discovering it dead. Adama is astonished how people he's trusted have turned mutinous. He realizes the hangar deck was only the beachhead to a ship-wide takeover of the ship.
* Thrace passionately kisses Lee and tells him she hasn't felt this alive in weeks. They leave to work out what to do, gather people who will help. They try to make their way to [[CIC]]. As they move through the corridors of the ship, they hear gunfire and screams in the distance.
* They pass by several unidentified bodies as well as groups of huddled civilians trying to stay out of the crossfire. A marine pursues a group of armed civilians and exchanges gunfire with them. The duo encounter an unidentified crewman with a pistol who yields to them, suggesting that he is an ally, then continues on.
* CIC is in confusion as Gaeta continues to throw false report after report, keeping Tigh and the admiral off-base.
* The Agathons are thrown in the Cylon brig along with [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Samuel Anders]]. Caprica-Six warns that this is a start to eradicating the Cylons, especially their children. Athena reassures her that they'll be kept alive for now as bargaining chips against the rebel baseship.
* As Jaffee returns to report that the array's damage was faked, Gaeta initiates the final phase of the takeover, calling in several marines who are part of the mutiny, who encircle Adama and the startled CIC staff. A handful of marines who are not involved remain in the room as well. When one of Gaeta's marines signals as though he is about to shoot the Admiral, Jaffee takes the bullet for him, receiving a fatal wound in the process.
* A firefight ensues, and several marines are killed, including those who are not involved in the mutiny. Gaeta orders his men to cease fire, then orders Adama and his staff to stand down, which the admiral reluctantly agrees to do, despite Tigh's anger.
* Gaeta tells Adama that he is removing him from command of ''Galactica'' on the charge of treason.
* Adama accuses Gaeta of betraying his oath and uniform, while Gaeta retorts that the admiral has done that himself by allying with the Cylons.
* Adama angrily warns that, unlike in times past, there will be no forgiveness or amnesty for this takeover.
* Gaeta orders the marines to arrest Adama, Tigh, and the senior staff and to place them in a holding cell.

===Act 3===

* Kara Thrace and Lee Adama make it to the admiral's quarters, finding Laura Roslin there, telling her of the uprising, the communications blackout and that Zarek is in control on ''Colonial One.''
* Roslin has had enough; she puts on her coat and leads them all out, knowing of one way to get a message out over wireless.

* Gaeta, now commanding CIC, orders [[Redwing]] and his marine team to secure the engine room. Specialist Gage now sits in Gaeta's old station.

* Surrounded by [[Cult of Baltar|his followers]], [[Gaius Baltar]] wishes his group well as he prepares to leave, believing that the uprising will come to get him as well. [[Galen Tyrol]] confirms Jeanne's fears to Baltar.
* As Roslin, Thrace and Lee Adama arrive, Tyrol briefs them. Using secured wireless handhelds, Tyrol has learned that the admiral is in custody. He tells him that he's in control of an airlock that could be used to get Adama off the ship. When Lee asks why Tyrol is doing this, Tyrol tells him that the "[[The Old Man|old man]]" deserves a better fate.

* Tigh and Adama begin speaking to their two marine escorts, Nowart and Maldonaldo. Adama challenges Nowart to shoot him and questions whether Nowart has "got a pair." The distraction works. Tigh and Adama manage to turn the tables, Adama shooting Maldonado and taking Nowart prisoner.

* Roslin and Baltar talk. She knows that Baltar's pirate wireless transmitter that he's used to communicate to his followers throughout the Fleet could be used to warn others in the Fleet as well.

* Adama and Tigh watch Connor give orders to other mutineers. Nowart tells them that he was ordered to take them all to the brig. They head there.

* CIC communications are being besieged by confused voices from other Fleet captains as Laura Roslin's voice begins to talk to the Fleet, telling them all, including the Quorum, of the uprising, pleading all to follow the rightful authorities. Gage is unable to stop the pirate signal until Gaeta gets to the station to jam it. But now the Fleet's comm chatter worsens, asking for more information from Roslin and what is happening on the battlestar.

* Lee and Thrace meet up with Adama and Tigh in the brig. Thrace angrily reacts to Nowart's presence as Adama tells him to leave. Thrace shoots at Nowart's way, warning the admiral that they are not his men anymore.

===Act 4===

* In the secondary storage airlock, Roslin and Baltar talk about Gaeta and his duplicitous nature.
* As Adama and team make their way there, Baltar takes a moment to try to get Gaeta to stop his takeover. He reminds him of their failings on [[New Caprica]], suggesting that Gaeta was complicit with the Cylon occupation. Gaeta closes the channel.
* A Raptor is heading towards ''Galactica'' from the [[Rebel Basestar|Cylon baseship]], but Gaeta realizes the craft isn't heading for the hangar deck.

* The Raptor docks in the bay, piloted by an [[Number Eight|Eight]]. Roslin and Adama greet each other and kiss, causing Lee and Thrace to look at each other in surprise. Tyrol's men get word of marines heading their way.
* Baltar and Roslin board the Raptor, but the admiral orders Tyrol to get Lee and Thrace out and back to his secured area. He and Tigh choose to stay behind to ensure that the Raptor gets away.

* Gaeta orders the [[CAP]] to intercept and destroy the escaping Raptor as the episode ends.

* The marines, led by [[Aaron Kelly]], use welding torches to cut through the airlock locks and open the door slightly. Adama returns fire. "It's been an honor to serve with you, my friend," Adama tells Tigh, as marines throw a flash grenade through the doors.

==Notes==
*In the previous episode, it was said that two marines were killed by the rebellious crew of the tylium ship. Yet in this episode, the survivor count is down by just one - accounting for Laird's death prior to the opening sequence. This can be explained by births in the fleet.
*The on-screen time code shows [[Lee Adama]] landing on Galactica at 0902. [[Kara_Thrace|Starbuck]] rescues him from the flight deck and, after an interruption and cutaway, they regroup in a secure area, with the time once again listed as 0902. [[Ronald D. Moore]] explains in the [[Podcast:The_Oath#Teaser|DVD commentary]] that timestamps were used to convey a faster pace to events. The identical timestamps may have been intended to convey that the two segments, despite the interruption and cutaway, were part of the same scene, and that the events of that scene were occurring at exactly the same time as the arrest of [[Sharon_Agathon|Sharon]] and [[Karl Agathon]], shown during the interruption and cutaway.

== Analysis ==
*Quite a few people have sided with Zarek and Gaeta. These include pilots [[Noel Allison|Narcho]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]], [[Hamish McCall|Skulls]], [[Paolo McKay|Redwing]] and [[Diana Seelix]], marines [[Maldonaldo]] and [[Allan Nowart|Nowart]], specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]], Captain [[Aaron Kelly]], and civilian [[Charlie Connor]]. In this episode, Maldonaldo is killed by Adama, Skulls is shot and wounded by Kara Thrace, and Nowart is captured and later released by Adama.
*The Adama/Roslin loyalists include [[Saul Tigh]], [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Helo]], [[Athena]], and [[Hoshi]]. [[Gaius Baltar]] has also sided with Roslin out of self-preservation. By the end of the episode, the only known characters on ''Galactica'' capable of retaking the ship are Lee Adama, Kara Thrace, and Galen Tyrol. Roslin and Baltar have fled ''Galactica'', Admiral Adama and Saul Tigh are cornered, and Helo, Athena and Hoshi were captured before they even knew what was happening.
*Among those whose status is unclear is [[Hot Dog]], who is flying a patrol as the mutiny erupts, and Doctor [[Cottle]], who is not seen. Also not seen is [[Tory Foster]].
*In the previous episode, [[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]], Gaeta begrudgingly berates Kara Thrace for her role in his would-have-been execution at the hands of the circle, along with two other [[The Circle|Circle]] members who have since been revealed to be Cylons. However, this is clearly an act, as both of the remaining living Circle members, [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Charlie Connor]] ([[Jean Barolay]] was killed some time ago), are part of his mutiny, not to mention Tom Zarek was the man who instituted the Circle in the first place (though Gaeta may not know that detail).
*The mutiny seems to have revitalized Kara Thrace and Laura Roslin. Thrace is the first one to organize any form of resistance against the mutineers. Roslin has openly addressed the Fleet for the first time since the discovery of Earth.
*The mutiny has given Kara Thrace a new purpose in life as well as something to distract her from her inner demons. She throws herself into battle without hesitation or regard for her own safety. She has also assumed a cold and single-minded attitude as evidenced by her attempts to gun down an unarmed Nowart.
*Despite forming a partnership to overthrow Adama, Zarek and Gaeta clearly have differing ideas of how to go about dealing with their opponents. The brutal killing of Laird is but one example of how Zarek is willing to go to much more extreme lengths than Gaeta, who seems to want the coup to succeed without excessive bloodshed. Zarek also lets slip that he disapproves of Gaeta arresting the senior staff of ''Galactica'' rather than just executing them. It remains to be seen how far this rift will widen.
*Gaeta appears to want the removal of Adama without recourse to too much violence, as shown by his attempt to stop the gunfire in CIC and his refusal to execute Adama and the senior staff on the spot. Nevertheless Gaeta has clearly mentally and morally committed himself to the mutiny to the point where he eventually orders the shooting down of the Raptor carrying Roslin to the Basestar (although he does not know who is aboard).
*It does not seem essential in the end for Tigh and Adama to stay in the storage bay while the marines break down the door, as the Raptor is clear before the marines make it through. It is possible that Adama would have remained anyway, refusing to abandon his ship.
* Adama's final words to his XO show how he still holds Saul Tigh in high regard as his friend, regardless of his revealed Cylon nature. He also expresses pleasure in seeing Galen Tyrol in the storage bay when Adama first arrives.
* "It's been an honor serving with you," appears to be Adama's preferred final words; he stated the same when he believed his and his crew's deaths were imminent in "Exodus part 2".
*Lee Adama's sharp comments to Tigh shows the hard line toward the Cylons still held by the younger Adama, which has been displayed in earlier episodes such as "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" when he proposed a genocidal biological attack on the Cylons. Despite this Lee tempers his feelings with his pragmatic attitude to the Cylon alliance alongside his loyalty to Roslin and his father, noting that it is all they have left to survive. However, despite this, he expresses gratitude and no hostility to Galen Tyrol when he gives Lee and Roslin the news of the Admiral being transported to the brig and offers to get the Admiral off the ship.
*Baltar attempts to blackmail Gaeta into abandoning the mutiny by reminding him of his knowledge of Gaeta's complicity in the deaths of Resistance members on [[New Caprica]]. Ironically in a broad manner, they were victims of similar circumstances. Both were victims of duplicitous Cylon females who using sexual affection were able to get them to pass them sensitive secret information and use it against humanity. In the case of Baltar, he gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door codes to the Colonial defense systems allowing the Cylons to shut it down, resulting in the deaths of billions of people. In the case of Gaeta, he gave the names of Resistance members to an [[Eight]] he was having an affair with and who he believed was aiding the humans. In reality, she was responsible for the deaths of many of those on the list he gave her to help. The two main differences between the two situations are that Baltar didn't know Caprica Six was a Cylon while Gaeta did and Baltar's mistake resulted in billions dying instead of the relative few in Gaeta's case.
*No one referenced Felix Gaeta's being complicit in the [[Karl Agathon]]-led mutiny on the ''[[Demetrius]]'', the ship Admiral Adama gave Kara Thrace to command to find an alternative route to Earth. Everyone seemed surprised that Gaeta would mutiny and lead a rebellion against the Admiral. President Roslin said to Baltar "who would have thought" that it would be Gaeta? This would seem to indicate that certainly Roslin and Baltar, and very likely Adama, Tigh and others who weren't aboard the ''Demetrius'', do not know of the incident. It would also indicate that the crew of the ''Demetrius'' - including those who opposed Agathon and Gaeta, like Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders - thought it was in their self-interest to keep the incident to themselves.
*It has been argued that Gaeta had also committed mutiny before when aiding Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' when it was commanded by Colonel Tigh during "[[Resistance]]". However, since the Colonial government seems to be much like the real world US government and other democracies it is highly likely that the actions of then Commander Adama in seizing control of the civilian government was the mutinous act and Gaeta and Lee Adama acted in ''defiance'' of a mutiny, which is actually the lawful thing to do.
*"Semper Fidelis" is the motto of the United States Marine Corps. It is a Latin phrase meaning "always faithful." Kara Thrace's disgusted paraphrase of it after she had witnessed marines breaking faith with Adama suggests that the Colonial Marine Corps may have adopted the same motto.
*This mutiny seems to highlight Admiral Adama's incomplete assimilation of the Pegasus crew with his own as a majority of the mutineers are from the Pegasus camp. Adama has been long credited to create a loyalty amongst his crew, but it appears to have taken little hold amongst those from Admiral Cain's camp, despite being together for over 2 years. Old resentments and bitter feuds are finally revealed again during this mutiny, such as Gage's revenge on the Agathons.
*Ironically, Baltar, who had asked the question of whether the leaders of the Fleet will ever be anyone without the name Adama or Roslin, has sided with the Adamas and Roslin out of his need for self-preservation.
*Gaeta does not seem to have a large number of ''Galactica's'' senior staff on his side during the mutiny, lines of dialogue in the episode indicate the senior staff are in fact being taken into custody, suggesting the mutiny is more of an uprising of the "lower classes" . Notably Gaeta also relies heavily on civilian support to achieve his goals. Certainly none of the major characters in the show who are senior officers support Gaeta.
*Racetrack is perhaps the most surprising member of Gaeta's mutiny. Although she did previously participate in Lee Adama and Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' in "[[Resistance]]", she has always displayed an unwavering loyalty to Adama (technically speaking, Tigh was commanding ''Galactica'' in "[[Resistance]]"). While her general participation in the mutiny can be explained by her natural hatred for the Cylons, her willingness to lead Lee Adama into a possibly fatal trap was highly uncharacteristic. It is possible she thought Lee Adama would only be taken prisoner upon arrival.
*Given Gaeta's comment to Zarek that he should control Lee Adama's dissenting voice in the Quorum by "pushing his buttons" it seems unlikely that Gaeta would have then ordered Lee Adama executed upon returning to the ship. The actions of Connor and Skulls and the marine guard were possibly a spontaneous reaction to Lee's role in defending Baltar and supporting his father. It is unknown if Zarek gave the order to have the younger Adama killed.
*Gaeta's opposition to allowing the Cylons to network the Fleet's ships is somewhat ironic given that he was the one who suggested networking ''Galactica'''s computer systems in "[[Scattered]]".
*The survivor count notes Laird's death in the pre-title sequence. The Colonial One whiteboard that tracks the number is seen later in the episode and still reads 39,644 due to the fact Laird's death isn't known to anyone who would have changed it. The deaths of the two marines in the Hitei Kan mutiny in the previous episode may not have been counted.

== Questions ==
*What will happen to Adama and Tigh? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Where are Kara Thrace, Lee Adama, and Galen Tyrol heading off to? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*How much impact has Roslin's speech had on the Fleet?
*Will Zarek get the rest of the Fleet to fall in line? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Just how far is Gaeta willing to go to rid the Fleet of the Cylons?
*How will the rebel Cylons react to the uprising? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Will Roslin enlist the aid of the rebel Cylons to bring down Zarek? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Where do other crew members such as Hot Dog and Doc Cottle stand? ([[Blood on the Scales|Partial Answer]])
*Were Gaeta's men actually planning to execute Lee Adama?
*What are Racetrack and Skulls' personal motivations for joining Gaeta?
*Where did Nowart flee to?
*Will any of the mutineers switch sides? What about the loyalists? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*What other loyalists besides Lee Adama and Kara Thrace remain at large on ''Galactica''?
*Will Skulls survive his injuries? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
*What was Thrace reading before the alarm was sounded?
*Will Gaeta take advantage of the mutiny to seek personal vengeance against Tigh, Anders, Thrace and Baltar?
*Will Hotdog realize what has happened on ''Galactica'' and attempt to prevent Narcho from shooting down Roslin's Raptor? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Will Specialist Gage follow through with his promise to sexually assault Sharon Agathon? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Will massive military executions proceed following the final result of Gaeta's mutiny?
*Does the fact that Jeanne was working on the hangar deck indicate that her press pass seen in [[Crossroads, Part I]] was counterfeit?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Richard Hatch]] discusses [[Tom Zarek]] and [[Felix Gaeta]]'s motivations in this episode and mutiny arc:''

: How it’s aspected – I totally agree. Zarek had every reason to be pissed off and angry at what <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] and [[William Adama|Adama]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> were doing – they wanted to operate without accountability because they believed they had all the answers, or they believed they had better answers than anyone else.

: It’s ego, it’s self-serving, but the way the show is aspected, it makes us care and support them more than the Zarek character because we don’t get the context or back story for Zarek, to understand where he’s coming from. We have to surmise where he’s coming from, and in most instances, people would buy into what Adama said or Roslin said, as opposed to actually making up their own mind about Zarek.

: There were two valid points about letting the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] on board, and remember, the audience has the benefit of the overview whereas the characters are only seeing a limited part of the story. You [the viewer] get to see it from all angles, watching every character, so you’re making a decision on what’s right or not based on your knowledge.

: Zarek and Gaeta can only go by what they’ve experienced in the past, what they’ve seen. And in reality, the Cylons are so unpredictable, and they’re programmed in such a way, that how in the world can you ever trust anybody that’s [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|killed millions of people]]? If you’re a released [[Centurion (RDM)|Cylon drone warrior]] who’s been programmed to kill, with all of the power and technology that they have on [[basestar (RDM)|the ship]]… They could very easily have decided to wipe out the humans. The writers could have just as easily gone the other way, where you kill Gaeta and Zarek, and at the end of the show the Cylons turn on the humans. And then you would’ve gone, “Oh my God! We hated Zarek and Gaeta and what they did… but they were right!”

: But anyway, the point is that ''Battlestar'' has never been simple and obvious. It’s something that forces you to think and philosophize and really challenge your own thinking, because there is a tendency in all of us to take sides. And we took sides even when Roslin and Adama were doing the wrong thing. To tell you the truth, had they done that within our own human society, we would’ve turned on them. But because it was a show, we were willing to suspend disbelief, even though they were doing things that really are such a huge violation of our Constitution.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II|date=13 August 2009|accessdate=14 August 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*'''''Admiral Adama''' after the death of Jaffee and having been relieved of command:''
: "'''I want you all to understand this!''' If you do this, there will be no forgiveness. No amnesty. [[Jaffee|This boy]] died honoring his uniform. You, you'll die with nothing."

*'''''President Roslin''' addressing the fleet:''
: "Women and men of the fleet. This is your president. We have come to a crossroads in our long and painful journey. Of all the decisions that I have had to make since assuming the presidency, none was more frightening or more difficult than agreeing to this alliance with the Cylons. But we have come to a crossroads in our long and painful journey. Cylons and humans have been at war for generations; we know nothing else. And we have been locked in a struggle that has seen both sides suffer unspeakable loss. But with our supplies running low and our options limited, our former enemies may represent our last, perhaps our only hope. To those in the fleet and in Galactica who would reject this alliance, I am asking you. No, I am begging you to reconsider and place your trust back in those who have brought you this far, and to reject those traitors who would use your fear of the Cylons to destroy Colonial civilization a..."

*'''''Kara Thrace''':''
:"Semper frakkin' fi!"

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
* [[Vincent Gale]] as Chief [[Peter Laird]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Craig Veroni]] as Sergeant [[Maldonaldo]]
* [[Michael Leisen]] as Private [[Stewart Jaffee]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate [[Dahlia]]
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Alain Chanoine]] as Marine Reb

== References ==
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The Oath

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==Overview==
:''The opposition to the alliance with the rebel Cylons reaches its zenith, [[Felix Gaeta]] leads a mutiny aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and frees [[Tom Zarek]] from incarceration in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> brig.''

==Summary==
===Teaser===
* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, the admiral offers the entering [[Saul Tigh]] a cup of algae-ground coffee, which Tigh refuses. Tigh reports that civilian captains are refusing to allow the rebel [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] to refit their [[FTL|jump]] drives for longer range.

* As Tigh continues his report, [[Laura Roslin]] enters from the admiral's private head, dressed only in a bathrobe and carrying a book. Her smile seems to indicate her enjoyment of Tigh's mild shock at her candid appearance and its implications.

* Gathering his composure, Tigh continues. The [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's]] attitude toward all Cylons ([[Final Five|Tigh included]]) would make it challenging for Tigh to solve the problem. Adama agrees.

* [[Felix Gaeta]] arrives at [[Tom Zarek]]'s cell in the [[brig]], accompanied by several [[marines]] and other crew. A crewman informs Gaeta that [[Narcho]] and Private Paley have secured a [[small arms locker]].
* Gaeta and Zarek talk about how to keep the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] from reacting badly to their plans, particularly [[Lee Adama]]. Gaeta advises Zarek to push Representative Adama's buttons, since he's "good at that."

* In the admiral's quarters, Roslin discusses the Fleet's issues [[A Disquiet Follows My Soul|for the first time in days]]. She and Adama both agree that the alliance with the rebel Cylons, and general amnesty they were given is not working, and that Lee Adama may not be able to convince the quorum otherwise. Roslin has to force herself to stop talking about the Fleet's problems, and the two say goodbye with affectionate small talk about having dinner ready for Adama when he returns from his shift.

* Gaeta's team escorts Zarek to the [[hangar deck]]. When [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]] sees them, she yells out, pretending that her [[Raptor]] has a serious fuel leak. This effectively clears most of the deck's occupants out, but [[Jeanne]] lingers unseen in the upper gangway above the deck, and observes everything.

* As Racetrack tells Gaeta that she's disabled the Raptor's transponder, Deck Chief [[Peter Laird]] steps in, questioning the authorization for the Raptor's departure. When Laird is not dissuaded from calling [[CIC]] to verify the ship's use, Zarek quietly picks up a wrench and strikes Laird on the skull, killing him. Jeanne swiftly runs from the gangway, having witnessed the murder.

* When Gaeta reacts in shock to Zarek's action, the Vice President tells Gaeta not to hold on to some "operatic ideal" of how his "revolution" must be handled; any hesitation could jeopardize their plans.

===Act 1===

* In [[CIC]], [[Hoshi]] notes a ship launch that he can't authenticate in the flight log--and [[DRADIS]] does not show any [[IFF|transponder ID]]. Gaeta, taking his place at his station, stalls Hoshi, advising him to look at other logs from the flight deck.
* When Tigh tells Adama quietly that he has had had [[Nowart]] gather marines for further action to compel other civliian ships to comply, Adama warns that doing the same thing as was done with the ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' a few days prior would likely destroy the likelihood of anyone in the Fleet supporting the fragile Cylon alliance.
* Hoshi continues to try to verify the flying contact as Gaeta tries to stall.

* On ''[[Colonial One]]'' as Lee Adama tries to placate an agitated Quorum, Zarek returns, to everyone's shock.

* [[Diana Seelix]] meets with [[Samuel Anders]] in one of the officer's quarters. She slyly talks about her attraction to him as other crew sneak up, blindfold and savagely beat him.

* As Adama hands Private [[Jaffee]] a log to file, Hoshi reports of a fire near the ship's [[wireless]] antenna array. As Adama gives orders for damage control teams to handle the issue, Gaeta warns that the "fire" might not be an accident. Adama agrees and orders [[marines]] to accompany the DC teams.

* In another officer's quarters, [[Kara Thrace]] teases [[Brendan Costanza]] about his new [[Nicholas Tyrol|fatherhood]], commenting how her decision of his pilot nickname of "Hotdog" was an apt one. Costanza angrily replies that Thrace has "[[frak]]ked half the Fleet" and has nothing to show for her similar indiscretions. Thrace throws her bowl of food as Costanza leaves.
* A split second later evacuation alarms ring out. When Thrace steps out to ask Narcho why he, a pilot, is handling damage control, Narcho nastily spurns her senior rank: "Nobody even knows [[The Destiny|what you are]] anymore."
* When Thrace sees a mix of marines and other civilians heading in the opposite direction, she follows them on gut reaction.
* Thrace sees the people break into a small arms locker, arming themselves, with [[Charlie Connor]] issuing orders to both military and civilian personnel. She runs back to her quarters grabs her sidearm and ammo and calls CIC. Gaeta ignores her warning of the break-in. Thrace quickly deduces what's going on.

* On ''Colonial One'', Lee Adama also tries to call his father regarding Zarek's release, but Gaeta blocks Adama's attempt to reach the admiral by claiming that the admiral is busy. Gaeta also feigns ignorance about Zarek's release.
* Zarek steps in, telling Lee that the admiral released him because Zarek would not be a threat if Adama didn't recognize civilian authority. Lee believes otherwise, and leaves for ''Galactica''.

* Gaeta fakes a shipwide communications failure, including backup systems.
* Lee Adama arrives on the hangar deck from his Raptor and is immediately accosted by [[Skulls]] and several others, intent on killing him as Racetrack watches on. "Where are your precious Cylons now?" Connor says as a marine points a gun to Adama's head.
* A shot rings out, but not from the gun Adama stares into. Kara Thrace has shot the marine with the gun and orders Adama's release. When Skulls objects, Thrace doesn't hesitate a second to shoot Skulls in the shoulder. "I can do this all day," she warns, pulling out a second sidearm.
* As Adama runs out, Thrace follows, warning the rest, "Follow me. Please," so she could have a better excuse to shoot them as well.

* As [[Sharon Agathon]] feeds her [[Hera Agathon|daughter]], [[Karl Agathon]] gets his uniform on and warns Sharon to get Hera to daycare.
* Just then, the hatchway on their quarters is being jostled. Someone is trying to get in, and soon succeeds: an angry mob, led by [[Gage]], a former ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' crewman who remembers Agathon's role in the accidental death of [[Alistair Thorne]].
* Gage gloats that he plans on raping Sharon Agathon later as marines beat Helo into unconsciousness.

===Act 2===

* Thrace and Lee Adama seal themselves in a dry storage locker, reviewing what's happened. "Semper frakkin' fi," Thrace hisses after checking a phone, discovering it dead. Adama is astonished how people he's trusted have turned mutinous. He realizes the hangar deck was only the beachhead to a ship-wide takeover of the ship.
* Thrace passionately kisses Lee and tells him she hasn't felt this alive in weeks. They leave to work out what to do, gather people who will help. They try to make their way to [[CIC]]. As they move through the corridors of the ship, they hear gunfire and screams in the distance.
* They pass by several unidentified bodies as well as groups of huddled civilians trying to stay out of the crossfire. A marine pursues a group of armed civilians and exchanges gunfire with them. The duo encounter an unidentified crewman with a pistol who yields to them, suggesting that he is an ally, then continues on.
* CIC is in confusion as Gaeta continues to throw false report after report, keeping Tigh and the admiral off-base.
* The Agathons are thrown in the Cylon brig along with [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Samuel Anders]]. Caprica-Six warns that this is a start to eradicating the Cylons, especially their children. Athena reassures her that they'll be kept alive for now as bargaining chips against the rebel baseship.
* As Jaffee returns to report that the array's damage was faked, Gaeta initiates the final phase of the takeover, calling in several marines who are part of the mutiny, who encircle Adama and the startled CIC staff. A handful of marines who are not involved remain in the room as well. When one of Gaeta's marines signals as though he is about to shoot the Admiral, Jaffee takes the bullet for him, receiving a fatal wound in the process.
* A firefight ensues, and several marines are killed, including those who are not involved in the mutiny. Gaeta orders his men to cease fire, then orders Adama and his staff to stand down, which the admiral reluctantly agrees to do, despite Tigh's anger.
* Gaeta tells Adama that he is removing him from command of ''Galactica'' on the charge of treason.
* Adama accuses Gaeta of betraying his oath and uniform, while Gaeta retorts that the admiral has done that himself by allying with the Cylons.
* Adama angrily warns that, unlike in times past, there will be no forgiveness or amnesty for this takeover.
* Gaeta orders the marines to arrest Adama, Tigh, and the senior staff and to place them in a holding cell.

===Act 3===

* Kara Thrace and Lee Adama make it to the admiral's quarters, finding Laura Roslin there, telling her of the uprising, the communications blackout and that Zarek is in control on ''Colonial One.''
* Roslin has had enough; she puts on her coat and leads them all out, knowing of one way to get a message out over wireless.

* Gaeta, now commanding CIC, orders [[Redwing]] and his marine team to secure the engine room. Specialist Gage now sits in Gaeta's old station.

* Surrounded by [[Cult of Baltar|his followers]], [[Gaius Baltar]] wishes his group well as he prepares to leave, believing that the uprising will come to get him as well. [[Galen Tyrol]] confirms Jeanne's fears to Baltar.
* As Roslin, Thrace and Lee Adama arrive, Tyrol briefs them. Using secured wireless handhelds, Tyrol has learned that the admiral is in custody. He tells him that he's in control of an airlock that could be used to get Adama off the ship. When Lee asks why Tyrol is doing this, Tyrol tells him that the "[[The Old Man|old man]]" deserves a better fate.

* Tigh and Adama begin speaking to their two marine escorts, Nowart and Maldonaldo. Adama challenges Nowart to shoot him and questions whether Nowart has "got a pair." The distraction works. Tigh and Adama manage to turn the tables, Adama shooting Maldonado and taking Nowart prisoner.

* Roslin and Baltar talk. She knows that Baltar's pirate wireless transmitter that he's used to communicate to his followers throughout the Fleet could be used to warn others in the Fleet as well.

* Adama and Tigh watch Connor give orders to other mutineers. Nowart tells them that he was ordered to take them all to the brig. They head there.

* CIC communications are being besieged by confused voices from other Fleet captains as Laura Roslin's voice begins to talk to the Fleet, telling them all, including the Quorum, of the uprising, pleading all to follow the rightful authorities. Gage is unable to stop the pirate signal until Gaeta gets to the station to jam it. But now the Fleet's comm chatter worsens, asking for more information from Roslin and what is happening on the battlestar.

* Lee and Thrace meet up with Adama and Tigh in the brig. Thrace angrily reacts to Nowart's presence as Adama tells him to leave. Thrace shoots at Nowart's way, warning the admiral that they are not his men anymore.

===Act 4===

* In the secondary storage airlock, Roslin and Baltar talk about Gaeta and his duplicitous nature.
* As Adama and team make their way there, Baltar takes a moment to try to get Gaeta to stop his takeover. He reminds him of their failings on [[New Caprica]], suggesting that Gaeta was complicit with the Cylon occupation. Gaeta closes the channel.
* A Raptor is heading towards ''Galactica'' from the [[Rebel Basestar|Cylon baseship]], but Gaeta realizes the craft isn't heading for the hangar deck.

* The Raptor docks in the bay, piloted by an [[Number Eight|Eight]]. Roslin and Adama greet each other and kiss, causing Lee and Thrace to look at each other in surprise. Tyrol's men get word of marines heading their way.
* Baltar and Roslin board the Raptor, but the admiral orders Tyrol to get Lee and Thrace out and back to his secured area. He and Tigh choose to stay behind to ensure that the Raptor gets away.

* Gaeta orders the [[CAP]] to intercept and destroy the escaping Raptor as the episode ends.

* The marines, led by [[Aaron Kelly]], use welding torches to cut through the airlock locks and open the door slightly. Adama returns fire. "It's been an honor to serve with you, my friend," Adama tells Tigh, as marines throw a flash grenade through the doors.

==Notes==
*In the previous episode, it was said that two marines were killed by the rebellious crew of the tylium ship. Yet in this episode, the survivor count is down by just one - accounting for Laird's death prior to the opening sequence. This can be explained by births in the fleet.
*The on-screen time code shows [[Lee Adama]] landing on Galactica at 0902. [[Starbuck]] rescues him from the flight deck and, after an interruption and cutaway, they regroup in a secure area, with the time once again listed as 0902. [[Ronald D. Moore]] explains in the [[Podcast:The_Oath#Teaser|DVD commentary]] that timestamps were used to convey a faster pace to events. The identical timestamps may have been intended to convey that the two segments, despite the interruption and cutaway, were part of the same scene, and that the events of that scene were occurring at exactly the same time as the arrest of [[Sharon_Agathon|Sharon]] and [[Karl Agathon]], shown during the interruption and cutaway.

== Analysis ==
*Quite a few people have sided with Zarek and Gaeta. These include pilots [[Noel Allison|Narcho]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]], [[Hamish McCall|Skulls]], [[Paolo McKay|Redwing]] and [[Diana Seelix]], marines [[Maldonaldo]] and [[Allan Nowart|Nowart]], specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]], Captain [[Aaron Kelly]], and civilian [[Charlie Connor]]. In this episode, Maldonaldo is killed by Adama, Skulls is shot and wounded by Kara Thrace, and Nowart is captured and later released by Adama.
*The Adama/Roslin loyalists include [[Saul Tigh]], [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Helo]], [[Athena]], and [[Hoshi]]. [[Gaius Baltar]] has also sided with Roslin out of self-preservation. By the end of the episode, the only known characters on ''Galactica'' capable of retaking the ship are Lee Adama, Kara Thrace, and Galen Tyrol. Roslin and Baltar have fled ''Galactica'', Admiral Adama and Saul Tigh are cornered, and Helo, Athena and Hoshi were captured before they even knew what was happening.
*Among those whose status is unclear is [[Hot Dog]], who is flying a patrol as the mutiny erupts, and Doctor [[Cottle]], who is not seen. Also not seen is [[Tory Foster]].
*In the previous episode, [[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]], Gaeta begrudgingly berates Kara Thrace for her role in his would-have-been execution at the hands of the circle, along with two other [[The Circle|Circle]] members who have since been revealed to be Cylons. However, this is clearly an act, as both of the remaining living Circle members, [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Charlie Connor]] ([[Jean Barolay]] was killed some time ago), are part of his mutiny, not to mention Tom Zarek was the man who instituted the Circle in the first place (though Gaeta may not know that detail).
*The mutiny seems to have revitalized Kara Thrace and Laura Roslin. Thrace is the first one to organize any form of resistance against the mutineers. Roslin has openly addressed the Fleet for the first time since the discovery of Earth.
*The mutiny has given Kara Thrace a new purpose in life as well as something to distract her from her inner demons. She throws herself into battle without hesitation or regard for her own safety. She has also assumed a cold and single-minded attitude as evidenced by her attempts to gun down an unarmed Nowart.
*Despite forming a partnership to overthrow Adama, Zarek and Gaeta clearly have differing ideas of how to go about dealing with their opponents. The brutal killing of Laird is but one example of how Zarek is willing to go to much more extreme lengths than Gaeta, who seems to want the coup to succeed without excessive bloodshed. Zarek also lets slip that he disapproves of Gaeta arresting the senior staff of ''Galactica'' rather than just executing them. It remains to be seen how far this rift will widen.
*Gaeta appears to want the removal of Adama without recourse to too much violence, as shown by his attempt to stop the gunfire in CIC and his refusal to execute Adama and the senior staff on the spot. Nevertheless Gaeta has clearly mentally and morally committed himself to the mutiny to the point where he eventually orders the shooting down of the Raptor carrying Roslin to the Basestar (although he does not know who is aboard).
*It does not seem essential in the end for Tigh and Adama to stay in the storage bay while the marines break down the door, as the Raptor is clear before the marines make it through. It is possible that Adama would have remained anyway, refusing to abandon his ship.
* Adama's final words to his XO show how he still holds Saul Tigh in high regard as his friend, regardless of his revealed Cylon nature. He also expresses pleasure in seeing Galen Tyrol in the storage bay when Adama first arrives.
* "It's been an honor serving with you," appears to be Adama's preferred final words; he stated the same when he believed his and his crew's deaths were imminent in "Exodus part 2".
*Lee Adama's sharp comments to Tigh shows the hard line toward the Cylons still held by the younger Adama, which has been displayed in earlier episodes such as "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" when he proposed a genocidal biological attack on the Cylons. Despite this Lee tempers his feelings with his pragmatic attitude to the Cylon alliance alongside his loyalty to Roslin and his father, noting that it is all they have left to survive. However, despite this, he expresses gratitude and no hostility to Galen Tyrol when he gives Lee and Roslin the news of the Admiral being transported to the brig and offers to get the Admiral off the ship.
*Baltar attempts to blackmail Gaeta into abandoning the mutiny by reminding him of his knowledge of Gaeta's complicity in the deaths of Resistance members on [[New Caprica]]. Ironically in a broad manner, they were victims of similar circumstances. Both were victims of duplicitous Cylon females who using sexual affection were able to get them to pass them sensitive secret information and use it against humanity. In the case of Baltar, he gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door codes to the Colonial defense systems allowing the Cylons to shut it down, resulting in the deaths of billions of people. In the case of Gaeta, he gave the names of Resistance members to an [[Eight]] he was having an affair with and who he believed was aiding the humans. In reality, she was responsible for the deaths of many of those on the list he gave her to help. The two main differences between the two situations are that Baltar didn't know Caprica Six was a Cylon while Gaeta did and Baltar's mistake resulted in billions dying instead of the relative few in Gaeta's case.
*No one referenced Felix Gaeta's being complicit in the [[Karl Agathon]]-led mutiny on the ''[[Demetrius]]'', the ship Admiral Adama gave Kara Thrace to command to find an alternative route to Earth. Everyone seemed surprised that Gaeta would mutiny and lead a rebellion against the Admiral. President Roslin said to Baltar "who would have thought" that it would be Gaeta? This would seem to indicate that certainly Roslin and Baltar, and very likely Adama, Tigh and others who weren't aboard the ''Demetrius'', do not know of the incident. It would also indicate that the crew of the ''Demetrius'' - including those who opposed Agathon and Gaeta, like Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders - thought it was in their self-interest to keep the incident to themselves.
*It has been argued that Gaeta had also committed mutiny before when aiding Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' when it was commanded by Colonel Tigh during "[[Resistance]]". However, since the Colonial government seems to be much like the real world US government and other democracies it is highly likely that the actions of then Commander Adama in seizing control of the civilian government was the mutinous act and Gaeta and Lee Adama acted in ''defiance'' of a mutiny, which is actually the lawful thing to do.
*"Semper Fidelis" is the motto of the United States Marine Corps. It is a Latin phrase meaning "always faithful." Kara Thrace's disgusted paraphrase of it after she had witnessed marines breaking faith with Adama suggests that the Colonial Marine Corps may have adopted the same motto.
*This mutiny seems to highlight Admiral Adama's incomplete assimilation of the Pegasus crew with his own as a majority of the mutineers are from the Pegasus camp. Adama has been long credited to create a loyalty amongst his crew, but it appears to have taken little hold amongst those from Admiral Cain's camp, despite being together for over 2 years. Old resentments and bitter feuds are finally revealed again during this mutiny, such as Gage's revenge on the Agathons.
*Ironically, Baltar, who had asked the question of whether the leaders of the Fleet will ever be anyone without the name Adama or Roslin, has sided with the Adamas and Roslin out of his need for self-preservation.
*Gaeta does not seem to have a large number of ''Galactica's'' senior staff on his side during the mutiny, lines of dialogue in the episode indicate the senior staff are in fact being taken into custody, suggesting the mutiny is more of an uprising of the "lower classes" . Notably Gaeta also relies heavily on civilian support to achieve his goals. Certainly none of the major characters in the show who are senior officers support Gaeta.
*Racetrack is perhaps the most surprising member of Gaeta's mutiny. Although she did previously participate in Lee Adama and Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' in "[[Resistance]]", she has always displayed an unwavering loyalty to Adama (technically speaking, Tigh was commanding ''Galactica'' in "[[Resistance]]"). While her general participation in the mutiny can be explained by her natural hatred for the Cylons, her willingness to lead Lee Adama into a possibly fatal trap was highly uncharacteristic. It is possible she thought Lee Adama would only be taken prisoner upon arrival.
*Given Gaeta's comment to Zarek that he should control Lee Adama's dissenting voice in the Quorum by "pushing his buttons" it seems unlikely that Gaeta would have then ordered Lee Adama executed upon returning to the ship. The actions of Connor and Skulls and the marine guard were possibly a spontaneous reaction to Lee's role in defending Baltar and supporting his father. It is unknown if Zarek gave the order to have the younger Adama killed.
*Gaeta's opposition to allowing the Cylons to network the Fleet's ships is somewhat ironic given that he was the one who suggested networking ''Galactica'''s computer systems in "[[Scattered]]".
*The survivor count notes Laird's death in the pre-title sequence. The Colonial One whiteboard that tracks the number is seen later in the episode and still reads 39,644 due to the fact Laird's death isn't known to anyone who would have changed it. The deaths of the two marines in the Hitei Kan mutiny in the previous episode may not have been counted.

== Questions ==
*What will happen to Adama and Tigh? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Where are Kara Thrace, Lee Adama, and Galen Tyrol heading off to? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*How much impact has Roslin's speech had on the Fleet?
*Will Zarek get the rest of the Fleet to fall in line? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Just how far is Gaeta willing to go to rid the Fleet of the Cylons?
*How will the rebel Cylons react to the uprising? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Will Roslin enlist the aid of the rebel Cylons to bring down Zarek? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Where do other crew members such as Hot Dog and Doc Cottle stand? ([[Blood on the Scales|Partial Answer]])
*Were Gaeta's men actually planning to execute Lee Adama?
*What are Racetrack and Skulls' personal motivations for joining Gaeta?
*Where did Nowart flee to?
*Will any of the mutineers switch sides? What about the loyalists? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*What other loyalists besides Lee Adama and Kara Thrace remain at large on ''Galactica''?
*Will Skulls survive his injuries? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
*What was Thrace reading before the alarm was sounded?
*Will Gaeta take advantage of the mutiny to seek personal vengeance against Tigh, Anders, Thrace and Baltar?
*Will Hotdog realize what has happened on ''Galactica'' and attempt to prevent Narcho from shooting down Roslin's Raptor? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Will Specialist Gage follow through with his promise to sexually assault Sharon Agathon? ([[Blood on the Scales|Answer]])
*Will massive military executions proceed following the final result of Gaeta's mutiny?
*Does the fact that Jeanne was working on the hangar deck indicate that her press pass seen in [[Crossroads, Part I]] was counterfeit?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Richard Hatch]] discusses [[Tom Zarek]] and [[Felix Gaeta]]'s motivations in this episode and mutiny arc:''

: How it’s aspected – I totally agree. Zarek had every reason to be pissed off and angry at what <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] and [[William Adama|Adama]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> were doing – they wanted to operate without accountability because they believed they had all the answers, or they believed they had better answers than anyone else.

: It’s ego, it’s self-serving, but the way the show is aspected, it makes us care and support them more than the Zarek character because we don’t get the context or back story for Zarek, to understand where he’s coming from. We have to surmise where he’s coming from, and in most instances, people would buy into what Adama said or Roslin said, as opposed to actually making up their own mind about Zarek.

: There were two valid points about letting the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] on board, and remember, the audience has the benefit of the overview whereas the characters are only seeing a limited part of the story. You [the viewer] get to see it from all angles, watching every character, so you’re making a decision on what’s right or not based on your knowledge.

: Zarek and Gaeta can only go by what they’ve experienced in the past, what they’ve seen. And in reality, the Cylons are so unpredictable, and they’re programmed in such a way, that how in the world can you ever trust anybody that’s [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|killed millions of people]]? If you’re a released [[Centurion (RDM)|Cylon drone warrior]] who’s been programmed to kill, with all of the power and technology that they have on [[basestar (RDM)|the ship]]… They could very easily have decided to wipe out the humans. The writers could have just as easily gone the other way, where you kill Gaeta and Zarek, and at the end of the show the Cylons turn on the humans. And then you would’ve gone, “Oh my God! We hated Zarek and Gaeta and what they did… but they were right!”

: But anyway, the point is that ''Battlestar'' has never been simple and obvious. It’s something that forces you to think and philosophize and really challenge your own thinking, because there is a tendency in all of us to take sides. And we took sides even when Roslin and Adama were doing the wrong thing. To tell you the truth, had they done that within our own human society, we would’ve turned on them. But because it was a show, we were willing to suspend disbelief, even though they were doing things that really are such a huge violation of our Constitution.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II|date=13 August 2009|accessdate=14 August 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*'''''Admiral Adama''' after the death of Jaffee and having been relieved of command:''
: "'''I want you all to understand this!''' If you do this, there will be no forgiveness. No amnesty. [[Jaffee|This boy]] died honoring his uniform. You, you'll die with nothing."

*'''''President Roslin''' addressing the fleet:''
: "Women and men of the fleet. This is your president. We have come to a crossroads in our long and painful journey. Of all the decisions that I have had to make since assuming the presidency, none was more frightening or more difficult than agreeing to this alliance with the Cylons. But we have come to a crossroads in our long and painful journey. Cylons and humans have been at war for generations; we know nothing else. And we have been locked in a struggle that has seen both sides suffer unspeakable loss. But with our supplies running low and our options limited, our former enemies may represent our last, perhaps our only hope. To those in the fleet and in Galactica who would reject this alliance, I am asking you. No, I am begging you to reconsider and place your trust back in those who have brought you this far, and to reject those traitors who would use your fear of the Cylons to destroy Colonial civilization a..."

*'''''Kara Thrace''':''
:"Semper frakkin' fi!"

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
* [[Vincent Gale]] as Chief [[Peter Laird]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Craig Veroni]] as Sergeant [[Maldonaldo]]
* [[Michael Leisen]] as Private [[Stewart Jaffee]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate [[Dahlia]]
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Alain Chanoine]] as Marine Reb

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== Overview ==
:''[[Felix Gaeta]]'s mutiny continues while [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] finds refuge on the rebel Cylon [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]].''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===
* Rebel marines led by [[Aaron Kelly]] storm the airlock and capture [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh]] both of whom were stunned by a flash grenade.
* Tigh recognizes Kelly and calls him "the brig rat." Kelly is visibly uneasy about all this.
* Meanwhile, the [[Raptor]] with President [[Roslin]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] on board heads for the [[Basestar (RDM)#Rebel basestar|Basestar]].
* A pair of Vipers, piloted by Narcho and Hotdog, pursue the Raptor. Hotdog, who is unaware of the mutiny on ''Galactica'', gets the Raptor in his sights, but doesn't fire. Instead he orders the Raptor to identify itself.
* Narcho tells Hotdog to destroy the Raptor, but Hotdog continues to ask for the target's identification.
* Roslin transmits a message from the Raptor saying that she is aboard the Raptor. [[Gage]] blocks the transmission, but not before Hotdog receives it.
* [[Gaeta]], now in command of the CIC, contacts Hotdog and orders him to destroy the Raptor. When Hotdog continues to hold his fire, Narcho goes in and launches a pair of missiles at the Raptor.
* The [[Eight]] piloting the Raptor successfully avoids the missiles, which hit the Basestar instead. The Raptor successfully docks at the Basestar.
* Gaeta orders Colonel Tigh to be placed in the brig with the other Cylons, but orders Admiral Adama to be brought to the CIC.
* On board the Basestar, the Cylons demand to know why they're being fired upon. Roslin explains the situation. Fearing that the government has been overthrown, the Cylons want to jump away from the Fleet.
* Roslin insists that they give Adama a chance to retake ''Galactica''. Baltar points out that it's unlikely that Adama will win and that Gaeta and Zarek have the majority of support on ''Galactica''. Roslin counters that they've already seen evidence that not all of ''Galactica'''s crew support the mutiny.
* Roslin tells the Cylons to move their ship into the middle of the Fleet, so that ''Galactica'' won't be able to fire upon them.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Adama is brought to the CIC. Gaeta asks him to call Roslin and convince her to surrender.
* Adama refuses and instead pulls off his admiral pins. He throws them to Gaeta and sarcastically tells Gaeta that he's the admiral now and to make the call himself.
* Gaeta orders gun batteries to target the Basestar, but before they can do so, the Basestar moves into the middle of the Fleet. Gaeta calls off the attack and orders the Basestar to be quarantined. He also gives orders to prepare for [[Tom Zarek]]'s arrival.
* Adama asks Gaeta if he's planning on shooting him. Gaeta gives no response.

=== Act 1 ===
* ''[[Colonial One]]'' lands on ''Galactica'''s flight deck, with Zarek and the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] on board.
* Kelly, Narcho, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]], [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]], and other rebels escort Zarek from the flight deck, while [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] watch, hidden behind some machinery. Once they are out of sight, Lee and Starbuck move on.
* In a Raptor aboard the rebel Baseship, Roslin attempts to transmit a signal to anyone who will listen, without success.
* In the holding cell, Hera looks with concern at Helo's head wound. Athena attempts to assure her that he will get better.
* Caprica-Six nurses Tigh's ear, bleeding from the stun grenade.
* Anders wonders aloud what Gaeta will do. Tigh quips, "In your case, cut off one of your frakking legs."
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta tells Zarek that he has "a net" over the Baseship, and thus Zarek did not need to bring the entire Quorum with him to ''Galactica''. Zarek replies that as long as Gaeta insists on having a trial for Adama, he wants the Quorum where he can keep an eye on them. Zarek says they need to move on, but Gaeta replies that before that can happen, people must answer for what they've done, beginning with Adama.
* Tyrol continues to sneak through the corridors of ''Galactica'' unnoticed. On Deck D Corridor 2, he hears the sound of a door opening and runs for cover.
* Hidden from view, Tyrol observes Kelly and two rebel marines escorting [[Romo Lampkin]] at gunpoint. Romo wonders if anyone will feed his dog.
* In Adama's quarters, Zarek reads the charges against Adama: treason, desertion, giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and gross dereliction of duty. Zarek reminds him that the punishment for these crimes is death by firing squad. All the while, Adama glares at Gaeta.
* Zarek tells Romo that the Admiral is entitled to a court martial, but they need a lawyer to handle his defense. Adama mutters, "They need a pimp."
* Romo wonders why they are doing all of this. Gaeta replies, "For justice." Romo, considering the tone of the room, conjectures that if he should choose to pass on this "field trip for justice," that the two marines guarding him will instead use him for target practice. Zarek impatiently tells him to just do his job.
* Zarek goes on to say that "Commander" Gaeta will represent the people, and that Zarek himself will be serving as judge. Romo wonders if they've run out of ship's captains. Gaeta replies that the captains are busy defending their ships against the Basestar Adama welcomed into the Fleet. "Shove it up your ass," Adama tells Gaeta pointedly.
* Gaeta continues to argue with a mockingly defiant Adama. Adama points out that the rebel Cylons gave "aid and comfort" to the fleet, not vice versa. As the argument begins to escalate, Romo asks for a few minutes with Adama.
* On the Basestar, Roslin continues to unsuccessfully try to use the Raptor's communication system to contact anyone, with the Cylons looking on. A Six remarks that they no longer have the protection of the Fleet, and the Viper patrols are becoming increasingly bold, firing into space, inviting the Cylons to react. Tory Foster tells the other Cylons that they should all talk.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol uses a crowbar to pry the cover off of a service tunnel, and crawls inside.
* On ''Colonial One'', Zarek addresses the Quorum. As Zarek speaks in support of Gaeta's leadership of the military, the Quorum delegates are visibly concerned. Zarek tells the Quorum that he has brought them to ''Galactica'' to show Gaeta that the Quorum delegates are people who, "at the end of the day, still stand by your president." At this, the Quorum bursts into an excited discussion, which ends with [[Jacob Cantrell]] telling Zarek, "I think you should leave now, Mr. Vice President." The other delegates are in agreement.
* Zarek walks out of the conference room in defeat. In the adjacent corridor, he tells two marines, "Shoot them." Zarek then tells Kelly to get Gaeta. Kelly walks away to the sounds of screams and gunfire. He is visibly disturbed by the sounds.

=== Act 2 ===
* On ''Colonial One'', Gaeta looks in horror on the slain Quorum delegates, and angrily rebukes Zarek. Zarek reminds him that Gaeta began the coup, and that this is just another consequence of that. Gaeta is in disbelief, remarking that until now they had the truth on their side. Zarek tells him that the truth is told by whoever is left standing, and reminds him that Adama must be eliminated.
* On ''Galactica'', Tyrol continues to crawl through a cramped and dirty service tunnel.
* On the rebel Baseship, Tory informs Roslin that the Cylons have decided to jump away to ensure their own survival. The Six tells Roslin that Gaeta will likely execute Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and any of the others who oppose him, such as Kara, Helo, and Adama.
* Roslin urges the Cylons to stay, reminding them that they have all made a habit out of beating the odds, particularly William Adama, and that when he returns to command, he will know who stuck with him and who ran.
* Tyrol crawls out of the duct into an empty munitions locker, where he is met at gunpoint by Kelly. Tyrol notes that the rebels sprang him from the brig.
* Kelly tells him to get out of the duct, but Tyrol says that he is too tired and that Kelly should just shoot him. Kelly replies that he's a machine, to which Tyrol replies that Kelly is a "dumbass." Kelly and Tyrol both begin laughing at this, and Kelly lowers his rifle.
* They both hear the sounds of gunfire in the distance. Kelly remarks, "This was a hell of a ship once." Tyrol agrees. Kelly tells Tyrol he heard his child wasn't a Cylon, and that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was "trouble." Tyrol laughs, saying it would not have mattered.
* After collecting himself, Kelly again points his rifle at Tyrol, but when Tyrol braces himself for the shot, Kelly instead tells him to leave, yelling "Go on skinjob, go!" After Tyrol crawls back into the duct, Kelly berates himself.
* In Adama's quarters, Romo hands Adama a pen to sign a statement. Adama refuses, but Romo urges him to put his innocence on record, and to give his people time to retake the ship.
* One of the rebels who was guarding the holding cell goes to the latrine, where Starbuck smashes his head into the wall.
[[Image:Lida.jpg|thumb|Lida approaching Baltar.]]
* On the rebel Baseship, a Six named [[Lida]] asks Baltar if he is injured. He replies that they typically use the word "damaged" instead of "injured."
* In the corridor outside the holding cell, Lee and Starbuck argue over the best way to overpower the guards. Lee throws a grenade into their midst, and in the ensuing panic Lee and Starbuck gun them all down. Immediately after the last guard goes down, Starbuck ducks for cover, but an amused Lee nonchalantly walks to the thrown grenade and picks it back up. He tells Starbuck that he never pulled the pin, to which she states, "Not funny."
* With the guards dispatched, Lee and Starbuck free the prisoners, but Lee is upset to learn that his father is not among them.
* On their way out of the cell, Starbuck and Anders search the guards for weapons, but Lee tells them that they are quickly running out of time.
* A rebel turns the corner and fires at Starbuck and Anders. Starbuck shoots the rebel in the chest, but not before Anders is struck by a bullet in the neck, causing him to stumble.

=== Act 3 ===
* While Lee covers them, Starbuck looks after a wounded Anders. Sounds of yelling and gunfire indicate that there is fighting nearby. Lee insists that they need to leave.
* Tigh tells Caprica-Six to take Hera to Baltar's followers for safety, as "no one wants to go near those nutjobs." She insists she can take care of herself.
* Lee yells for Tigh to help him get Anders off the ground, but Starbuck tells Lee to go after his father instead. Athena and the others go with Lee and Tigh, while Starbuck stays with an incoherent Anders to try to get him to Doc Cottle for medical treatment.
* In Adama's quarters, the "court martial" proceeds apace, with Gaeta arguing that Adama deserted them on New Caprica. Romo objects, saying Gaeta is badgering the witness. Not surprisingly, his objection goes unheard by Zarek.
* As Adama continues to mock Gaeta, Zarek receives a call telling him that Tigh and the other "skinjobs" escaped. Zarek tells Adama and the others that Tigh was killed trying to escape. At the news of his longtime friend's death, Adama shows the first signs of emotion, and tells Gaeta that he is not answering any more of his questions.
* Zarek declares the prisoner guilty as charged, upsetting Romo, who says, "This isn't a trial, this is an asylum." Zarek angrily grabs Romo and pushes him against the bulkhead.
* Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, prompting a smile from Adama and looks of concern from everyone else. Roslin announces that Gaeta took command of ''Galactica'' by force, and that the Cylons were merely defending themselves when they moved the baseship into the Fleet. She then commands the Fleet ships to power down their FTL drives.
* On the rebel Baseship, Roslin exclaims that their signal could not be jammed. Behind her, a [[Number Two|Leoben]] is leaning on a device with flashing red lights, to which the Raptor's comm system is presumably connected. "I thought this would do the trick," he says with a grin.
* Back on ''Galactica'', Starbuck slowly drags an unconscious Anders a short distance before falling on the floor, exhausted. [[Parr]], the rebel marine escorting a bound Romo, happens upon them, commanding Starbuck to show him her hands. Romo readies his pen. Starbuck draws her sidearm and pulls the trigger, but the weapon is empty. Seizing his opportunity, Romo stabs his captor in the neck repeatedly with his pen. After removing his restraints, he retrieves his sunglasses and a sidearm from the fallen guard.
* Starbuck implores Romo to help her get Anders to Dr. Cottle, but Romo refuses, citing the fact that on the way there, he and his "friend" had already been shot at twice, once by his own men. Further considering the situation, an obviously conflicted Romo chooses to turn around and help.
* In CIC, Gage informs Gaeta that ten of the thirty-five ships remaining in the Fleet shut down their FTL drives after Roslin's announcement. Narcho is upset, but Gaeta tells him that Roslin did them a favor in exposing those ships who would cause them trouble. Gaeta tells Gage to give jump coordinates only to those ships that kept their FTL drives online, and to order them to jump immediately.
* Gaeta then tells Narcho to assemble an execution detail comprised of men he can trust, to secure the main hangar bay launch tube, and to take Adama down there and await further orders. Narcho shows some reluctance, but he insists that Gaeta can count on him "all down the line."
* Gaeta asks Zarek, who is waiting nearby, if he is spying on him. Zarek insists that they simply need to get through the current predicament, and move on.
* In a corridor somewhere on ''Galactica'', Narcho leads a team of six rebel marines who are escorting Adama to the launch tube, with Kelly walking behind the group. After some consideration, Kelly breaks off from the group and goes to the [[memorial hallway]], where he drops his rifle and breaks down in tears.
* In a nearby corridor, Tigh and Athena keep watch while Lee opens a service panel and disconnects a power line, causing the main lights to go out. Sounds of gunfire indicate there is still heavy fighting nearby.
* Tyrol continues to crawl through service tubes, this time crawling behind a latrine. He coughs and gags at the smell.
* In the memorial hallway, Lee confronts Kelly, who is nearly catatonic with grief. He finally admits to Lee that the others are planning on executing Adama in the main launch tube. Lee moves to punch Kelly, but Tigh pulls him away. As they run to the hangar deck, Kelly picks up his rifle and runs after them, yelling, "I'm coming with you!"
* On the rebel Baseship, Baltar dreams of Adama's death by firing squad, which wakes him violently. In bed with him, Lida attempts to comfort him, but Baltar rebuffs her, saying that he has run for his life yet again. She tells him that fear makes people act differently, but he says that he did not run out of fear this time.
* For the first time, Baltar admits that he is merely playing the role of religious leader to humor his followers, and that he privately scorns their "provincial intellects" and their unfailing willingness to make him feel better; however, he also admits that he feels responsible for them, and that he must go back.
* On the hangar deck, Adama is tied to a chair in the main launch tube by a marine while Narcho stands nearby, distressed. As Narcho walks towards the eight marines with rifles at the ready, Adama spits.
* From the rebel Baseship, Roslin gives the rebels five minutes to return command to Admiral Adama.
* In CIC, an increasingly concerned Zarek listens to Roslin's ultimatum, and looks around for Gaeta, who is absent.
* In Adama's quarters, Gaeta walks to Adama's desk, where he drops the admiral pins on ''Galactica'''s watch log. He then calls Narcho, telling him to carry out the execution.
* On the hangar deck, Narcho replies, "Yes, sir," and hangs up with Tigh pointing a sidearm at his head. Meanwhile, Lee unties his father from the chair in the launch tube, and Kelly and Athena have their rifles pointed at eight marines, all disarmed and kneeling with hands behind their heads.
* Adama is overjoyed to see Tigh, whom he was told was dead. Tigh replies that for a while, he was.
* Adama addresses the kneeling, disarmed marines, saying, "I'm gonna take back my ship." Adama then addresses Narcho, who tells him that while he has always respected him, he hates the Cylons, and he cannot take orders from a leader who won't fight them. At this, Tigh raises his weapon to Narcho's head, but Adama orders him to stand down, and orders Narcho to be tied up instead.
* Sitting at Adama's desk, Gaeta removes his prosthesis and scratches the stump underneath.
* Deep in the bowels of ''Galactica'', Tyrol finally has enough room to crouch rather than crawl, allowing him to move faster.
* In CIC, Zarek orders Vireem to pass him through to Roslin. As Gaeta walks into CIC, Zarek addresses Roslin on the rebel Baseship, introducing himself as the President of the Twelve Colonies. He announces that Tigh was killed in an escape attempt, and that Adama was tried, found guilty of his crimes, and was executed by firing squad earlier that morning. Zarek insists that Roslin think of the welfare of the people of the Fleet, and surrender.
* Roslin vehemently refuses, vowing to use every weapon at her disposal to come after Zarek and the other mutineers. The weapon emplacements on the Baseship open, targeting ''Galactica''.

=== Act 4 ===
* In CIC, after Zarek's statements to Roslin, Gaeta remarks that now they have a military leader and a president in one. Zarek questions how Gaeta would have handled the situation, had he been there.
* Gage indicates that the Baseship is arming itself, and that they are jump ready. Gaeta orders the board be set to green, and a crew member inserts the FTL key at gunpoint.
* Tyrol rushes down a set of stairs in ''Galactica'''s FTL engine room.
* Adama marches towards CIC, leading an increasingly large group of marines, officers, and enlisted crew.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol breaks open the door to the auxiliary control station, and attempts to shut down the FTL drive with his command code.
* As Adama and his group of loyalists continue their march to CIC, Roslin's voice is heard over the wireless, commanding ''Galactica'' to surrender.
* In the FTL engine room, Tyrol's command code is denied (as he is not currently in active duty). Instead he looks to some nearby machinery and, with some effort, removes a [[Sync coil|vital component]] and shuts down the FTL drive.
* In CIC, Gage announces the FTL drive's shutdown. Zarek begins ordering crew members to look into it, but no one moves. He tells Gaeta to launch Vipers to defend themselves, but Gaeta ignores him, and instead recalls his own words: "One day soon there's gonna be a reckoning."
* Gage announces that gun batteries have fixed target bearings and are ready to fire. With Zarek at a near-panic, Gaeta realizes they are defeated, and orders a weapons hold.
* Adama arms himself with the sidearm from a nearby marine, and the group storms CIC. No resistance is offered by the mutineers who, outmatched, surrender without a fight.
* Adama gets on the wireless, identifies himself, confirms that he has retaken command, and tells Roslin to stand down. Roslin, Baltar, and even the Cylons are relieved to hear his voice with Roslin and at least one Eight in tears.
* Zarek, Gaeta, and the other mutineers are taken away at gunpoint. While Gaeta and Adama exchange a stare, Adama has nothing to say to his fomrer loyal officer and merley gestures for Kelly and Athena to take him away.
* In the FTL engine room, an exhausted Tyrol drops the component as the massive FTL drive slowly come to a halt. As he turns to the bulkhead, he notices some significant structural damage which concerns him greatly.
* On ''Galactica'', Roslin climbs down a ladder and, seeing Adama alive for the first time since she boarded the Raptor, cries tears of joy. The two leaders walk together, his arm around her.
* In Gaeta's quarters, Gaeta and Baltar are smoking cigarettes - something Gaeta has not been seen doing for quite some time and drink coffee which Gaeta calls the "spoils of war." Gaeta is telling Baltar of the many careers he once dreamed of pursuing: architecture, medicine, engineering, photography, and finally, science.
* Baltar, on the verge of tears, begins to say something, but Gaeta stops him. He assures Baltar that he is fine with the way things turned out, and that his only wish is that eventually, people realize who he is. Baltar tells Gaeta that he knows who he is.
* Gaeta and Zarek are seated in the main launch tube of the hangar deck, with Adama, Lee, Tigh, and Baltar standing behind the firing squad.
* Just before Adama orders the execution detail to fire, Gaeta looks down at his severed leg in astonishment and remarks, "It stopped" refering to the intense pain he has had since he lost his leg.
*The squad fires, killing Gaeta and Zarek.

== Notes ==
*The [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] were murdered on Zarek's order for supporting President Roslin. [[Lee Adama]] survived as he wasn't present during the Quorum session. Two other regular Quorum members (Gemenon Delegate and one other delegate) were replaced by temporary stand-ins (who were killed), and their fate is unknown.
*Romo Lampkin while being forced to serve as Adama's lawyer during his trial he referred to two looming Marine guards as "Wynken and Blynken". This was in reference to the poem of ''[[Wikipedia:Wynken, Blynken, and Nod|Wynken, Blynken, and Nod]]'', a late 19th century Dutch child's lullaby by [[Wikipedia:Eugene Field|Eugene Field]] about three fishermen fishing in the starry night in the sky with the help of the moon and uses a magic wooden shoe as their boat.<ref>[http://www3.amherst.edu/~rjyanco94/literature/eugenefield/poems/poemsofchildhood/wynkenblynkenandnod.html Wynken, Blynken, and Nod" Lullaby]</ref>
*This episode marks the death of Felix Gaeta and Tom Zarek, who are executed by firing squad for their mutiny against Adama and the government.
*The character Captain Kelly was last seen during season 3 when he was arrested for his bombing and assassinations of Baltar's lawyers. His character has appeared intermittently since the show began and it is fitting that he would be a double-turn coat as he was part of the original senior staff and his love for Admiral Adama is proven to be stronger than his hatred for the Cylons.
*The events depicted in "The Oath" and "Blood on the Scales" cover approximately nine hours: Tigh enters Adama's quarters at 0620 at the beginning of "The Oath", culminates with Gaeta seizing the CIC at 0922, and concludes with Adama and his loyalists retaking the CIC at 1532 in "Blood on the Scales". The executions of Gaeta and Zarek, however, take place at an unspecified time later.
*The firing-squad executions of Gaeta and Zarek mark the first time a method of execution other than [[airlock|airlocking]] has been used on screen (apart from the non-judicial summary executions in ''[[Razor]]''), although the action takes place in the same location where most recent airlocking incidents have occurred. In "[[Dirty_Hands#Act_4|Dirty Hands]]", Admiral Adama threatens to have [[Cally Tyrol]] shot as a mutineer, suggesting that the firing squad is the standard means of execution for humans that commit mutiny.
*The ship's [[FTL]] drive is seen for the first time.
*Baltar becomes involved with a previously-unseen copy of [[Number Six]] (referenced off-screen by the name [[Lida]]). Discounting his [[Messengers|Messenger Six]], this makes the third copy of Six with whom he has had relations, after [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Gina Inviere]].

== Analysis ==
*Despite all of the support that Gaeta and Zarek seemed to have at the beginning of the mutiny, Roslin and Adama had more support from people opposed to it and possibly people who rethought it like Kelly. On Roslin and Adama's side were ''Galactica's'' senior staff (the members of CIC were either people on Gaeta's side or forced to work at gunpoint by marines), at least most of the crew given how many people joined Adama's march to CIC, the Quorum of Twelve and the Cylons and Baltar's followers. Gaeta and Zarek had the supporters they'd managed to gather amongst ''Galactica's'' crew and about 25 ships who refused Roslin's order to stand down FTL drives. In the end Adama and Roslin were successful because the people supported them more and Adama had enough respect from his crew that he was able to turn a lot back to his side just by stating his intention to retake the ship and walking by others. Gaeta and Zarek had to use force to get what they wanted. Many people, both in support of Gaeta/Zarek and in opposition, were killed. Given the death count, 40 in the first four hours of the mutiny, from 06:32 hours when Zarek was released from the Brig to sometime after 10:30 hours when Adama and Tigh are captured in the stowage bay (with most of the killing starting shortly after 09:02 hours after Capt. [[Kara Thrace]] rescues Delegate [[Lee Adama]] in the Hanger Deck. [[Peter Laird]] was the very first death, occuring shortly before 07:00 hours.), the attack on those Loyal to Adama was vicious. The break down of mutineer and loyalist deaths hasn't been given yet, but it is most likely that most of these deaths were those loyal to Adama since Gaeta/Zarek forces had the elements of both surprise and preparation in their favor. The 40 figure only represents the deaths by the end of "[[The Oath]]", near the approximate halfway point of the mutiny at 10:30 hours. With the retaking of CIC by Adama and Tigh, the mutiny ended at 15:32 hours, approximately nine hours elapsed time (there may have been resisters after that time not wishing to be taken into custody). Mutiny death figures since 10:30 hours, including the murder of the Quorum delegates, will be reflected in the survivor population count after the teaser of "[[No Exit]]" unless otherwise indicated.
*Gaeta's sudden lack of pain in his amputated leg signals that his chronic pain (which he tried to numb with painkillers during the webisodes) was partially psychological. Once he was at peace with who he was and what he had done, his mental pain and much of his physical pain and itching disappeared. His last words acknowledged that the irritation had stopped.
*The marines who eventually joined Adama's side near the end of the episode indicates that other mutineers simply were part of the coup out of self-preservation or at least wanting to be on the "winning" side. Once it was clear that Adama and the senior staff were rising up and reclaiming the ship, the marines, and others finally arose as well.
*By sparing Narcho's life, Admiral Adama characteristically shows his love and compassion for those who serve under him. Despite his speech of "no forgiveness" in "The Oath", it is clear that Adama will attempt to give the some of the mutineers a second chance.
**Not likely, the podcast for Deadlocked says they were all imprisoned on the ''Astral Queen''.
**Adama grants clemency to those volunteering for the rescue of Hera. However, this was out of a desperate need for as many people as possible and the only ones shown for sure to take it were Nowart, Racetrack and Skulls, the later two of which died in the battle.
*From a pragmatic standpoint, Humanity, such at the verge of extinction anyways, can not afford to lose large numbers of people.
*The mutineers at no point subdued all resistance aboard ''Galactica''. As Adama marched on CIC, many crew members rushed to join him, indicating that they were either still resisting or were waiting for a sign that the tide had turned. CIC also was controlled by Gaeta through the use of marines who held most of the staff at gunpoint.
* Tyrol, while attempting to disable Galactica's jump drive notices odd tears in the hull near the FTL assembly. It is not known whether this was hull stress caused by Tyrol disabling the FTL as the ship was about to jump, or an as-yet unexplained problem that has an impact on Galactica's hull.
**''Galactica'' may be suffering from serious long term metal fatigue and/or cumulative battle damage, as evidenced by the bulkhead deformation Tyrol discovers in the FTL drive room. Over the course of the series, Tigh has made a number of comments on ''Galactica's'' worsening structural condition, especially in absence of any possibility for repair at a shipyard. The ship itself is 50+ years old and has seen combat in two wars against the Cylons, and after all the damage its taken - the [[Battle of New Caprica]] being the most obvious example - it is not all that surprising to see the ship's structural integrity begin to fail like this.
** It is extremely unlikely that the damage witnessed by Tyrol was a result of his improper shut-down of the FTL, a tear of that size in metal would likely have been extremely loud and Tyrol does not notice the damage until he just happens to glance up at it. While it is possible that the FTL drive spun up would be louder than the sound of such a crack there is also no strong vibrations shown either in engineering or on the bridge, which would no doubt accompany such a large tear. Given that the area where Tyrol is an auxiliary control center, which is unlikely the be manned unless there is a problem with the FTL drives or for periodic maintenance, it is eminently possible that the tear has been there for some time since it has been quite some time since Galactica has been depicted as having FTL problem. However, as were are dealing with a device that can bend time and space, nothing can be completely discredited at this point.
*Roslin threatens to attack ''Galactica'' if Gaeta and Zarek do not surrender. Numerous missile emplacements are then shown opening along the arms of the rebel basestar. Due to the known incompetence of ''Galactica's'' mutineer crew (Gage being unable to jam Roslin's transmission in [[The Oath]] without Gaeta's help), the chaos aboard ''Galactica'' with a mutiny still ongoing, and ''Galatica's'' status as an undermanned vessel, it is possible that the basestar could have successfully engaged and destroyed ''Galactica'' or at least severely damaged her enough to prevent her escaping.
*Captain Kelly, after having been locked up in the brig for his attempts to assassinate Baltar's lawyers, still holds a deep love for the Galactica and her commander. As he was a part of the original senior leadership (3rd in command as shown after Adama's near-assassination), his nostalgic comments with Tyrol indicated his withering resolve to be part of the coup. In addition, being a witness to the cruelty of Zarek with the Quorum was probably the first catalyst for his repentance.
*Gaeta, prior to his execution, is shown smoking and having drinks with Baltar. This is significant as Gaeta is rarely shown smoking during the show, and when it is shown, it was done when Gaeta finally felt free to be who he wanted to be. The first time was during his taped interview with D'Anna where he "let his hair down" so to speak. Incorporating a final smoke for Gaeta seemed appropriate to allow the audience to see a humanized Gaeta again.
*Gaeta and Baltar have a civil conversation before Gaeta's execution indicating that the two have forgiven each other for thier past transgressions: Gaeta trying to kill Baltar and Baltar's involvement with the Cylons on New Caprica.
*Baltar, despite admitting to not really liking his followers, has developed a sense of responsibility towards them as shown when he's speaking with [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]] about them and deciding to go back. This is the first time that Baltar has been shown to truly care about something besides himself indicating he may have changed somewhat.
*Dialogue in this episode indicates there are 35 civilian ships left in the fleet. This is the first time since abandoning [[New Caprica]] that significant information on the number of ships left in the fleet has emerged. This number doesn't seem to tally with the observed losses in the fleet since the first season, although the number of ships has been portrayed inconsistently throughout the miniseries and the main seasons (a figure in the mid 70s being mentioned in [[Home, Part I]]). The figure of 35 stated here- indicating a loss of half the fleet's ships- seems somewhat inconsistent with a the human population that has only declined by about one fifth since the arrival of Pegasus's crew which bolstered the number of survivors to close to 50,000. Ships being abandoned on New Caprica or afterwards may explain this strikingly low number unless it is a continuity error. If 35 is a correct figure, the other ships in the fleet must have somehow found a way to take a huge number of extra people aboard.
**It is possible that the 35 civilian ships that were mentioned were the total number of ships that had initially sided with Zarek and Gaeta, rather than the entire number of ships in the fleet. If they had been ready to jump at Zarek and Gaeta's order, their FTL drives would have been spun up. With Roslin's broadcast, though, 10 of the 35 would have switched sides again and shut down their FTLs, indicating the end of their desire to follow the coup leaders.
*Ronald D Moore has commented that ''Galactica'' is severely undermanned at this point and therefore large parts of the ship are empty, making it easier for mutineers and counter-mutineers to move around unobserved. This however is contradicted by the fact that ''Galactica'' now has the crew of ''Pegasus'' aboard and the ship has in fact been seen to be overcrowded. Even allowing for losses on New Caprica and the fact that ''Pegasus'' was undermanned, the ship should still have a larger crew compliment than when she began her journey. In orbit around New Caprica the two ships still had over 2000 personnel still serving and doubtless most if not all former crew re-enlisted after the evacuation of New Caprica. Galactica's combined crew have not been seen to have taken any substantial losses since leaving New Caprica that would leave much of the ship empty. This may be a retcon or continuity error. It should be noted, however, that a large proportion of the people on the ship following the escape from New Caprica were civilians who may have since been relocated. Furthermore, it may be that only certain areas of the ship - such as the living quarters - are overcrowded. The exact number of personnel that a fully manned ''Galactica'' should have is unknown.
*Despite [[Sharon Agathon]]'s vision-induced paranoia of a Six taking her daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]<ref>Sharon kills [[Natalie]] in "[[Sine Qua Non]]" when she sees the latter with Hera in a corridor after Sharon, President Roslin, and Caprica-Six all have a vision of a Six absconding with Hera at the opera house.</ref>, she does not protest [[Caprica-Six]] carrying Hera while Sharon supports her injured husband, [[Karl Agathon|Karl]]. It must be remembered that it was Caprica Six who aided in the escape of Athena with Hera from the Baseship after she got Helo to kill her so she would resurrect on the Baseship and recover their daughter. Caprica Six killed [[Sharon Valerii]] ("Boomer", who later resurrected) after Valerii tried to kill Hera for rejecting her and then Caprica Six helped get both Athena and Hera off the Baseship. Ironically, Caprica Six is the only character who has been seen specifically committing infanticide (not counting Baltar's dream about Adama drowning Hera).<ref>Caprica-Six snaps a human infant's neck in her first scene in the [[Miniseries]].</ref>
*Assuming the writers maintained their preference to mirror real-world military traditions, the firing squad assembled to execute Gaeta and Zarek would likely be composed of low-level mutineers who were treated with leniency and then required to seal their loyalty (and feelings of guilt) by executing their former conspirators.
*It isn't clear whether Gaeta and Zarek were given any sort of trial before being executed. Given Adama and Roslin's preference (albeit sometimes waveringly so) for maintaining the rule of law, it would be surprising if the lead mutineers were just shot out of hand.
* During Tyrol and Kelly's discussion in the arms locker, Kelly mentions that he could have told Tyrol that Cally was trouble, Tyrol's response "Thanks, it wouldn't have mattered", indicates that, even if he had known that Cally had been sleeping with Hot Dog, he would still have married her. This clearly indicates that Tyrol loved her, and the way in which he says it clearly indicates that he still does. This means that Tyrol's tirade against the Admiral after his wife's death was an act, possibly out of grief, possibly to get himself dismissed from the Deck Crew so he couldn't sabotage anything should he have any hidden programming.
* The Cylons among the fleet are, collectively, more loyal to Roslin and Adama (and more willing to forgive past conflicts) than are the humans.
*Despite Adama's obvious anger towards Gaeta, he may have been somewhat forgiving towards him at the end: Baltar is allowed to visit, it happens in Gaeta's quaters indicating that Adama didn't put him in the brig but locked him in his room and he's smoking cigarettes (which he may have had in his room) and drinks what looks like the Admiral's morning coffee which he calls the "spoils of war" indicating Adama may have given it to him. Also, Adama allows him to die wearing his uniform which he promised he wouldn't allow any of the mutineers to do.

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

* What will become of the other mutineers (Racetrack, Narcho, Seelix, etc)? Will Adama follow through with his promise of "no forgiveness"? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* Who will take over Gaeta's duties? ([[Deadlock|Answer]])
* What repercussions will the Quorum's assassination have on the Fleet? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* What is the significance of the damage Tyrol discovers in the engine room? Has it been there long, or is it a result of the improper shut down of the FTL drive? Do other areas of the ship show similar signs of damage? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* In the [[Miniseries]], Colonel Tigh tells Lt. Gaeta to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2". Why did Tyrol's deactivation of one FTL drive stop Gaeta from ordering the other's use? Is the other FTL drive still functional?
** Answer: The ship needs both FTL drives to make a proper jump, and Tyrol pulled the [[sync coil]] between the two.
* Will Anders survive his injuries? Were Starbuck and Lampkin even successful in getting him to sickbay? ([[No Exit|Partial Answer]])
* Will Helo survive his injuries? ([[Someone to Watch Over Me|Answer]])
* How will Baltar's new-found sense of responsibility toward his flock change his behavior? ([[Deadlock|Possible Answer]])
* Will the Cylons' assistance of, and subordination to, President Roslin (and/or Colonial political leaders' fears of being associated with the failed coup d'état) secure them the citizenship and Quorum representation they seek? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars|Answer]])
* With Zarek dead and Lee Adama being the only surviving member of the Quorum (or one of the few surviving members, considering that two regular delegates were replaced by stand-ins), will he become the new Vice President? ([[No Exit|Possible Answer]])
* Are ''Galactica'''s computers now networked? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Answer]])
* With most of the Quorum dead, will Roslin and Adama use the attempted mutiny as a basis to declare martial law? ([[No Exit|Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* Will Kelly be allowed to resume his duties on ''Galactica''?
* Is the same structural deficiency present near the other FTL drive?
* Will the rebel Cylons become less trusting of the humans as a result of this mutiny? Or will they be more inclined to trust certain humans, such as Roslin, since she managed to convince them to stay and follow her leadership?
* What was that device Roslin and Leoben were using to communicate with the rest of the Fleet?
* Why was Lee Adama - as opposed to Roslin - present at Zarek and Gaeta's execution?
* What will be done to the 25 ships who did not obey Roslin's order to power down their FTL drives?
* Will the FTL upgrades proceed once order has been brought back completely?
* Will there be a faction that will attempt to portray Zarek or Gaeta as martyrs?
* Do the Articles of Colonization include pre-approval language for the joining of the fabled "13th Tribe", now known to be Cylons? Such is often the case of comparable federation constitutions; the United States' former [[wikipedia:Articles of Confederation|Articles of Confederation]] included such language with respect to "Canada" (meaning Ontario) and Bermuda.
* Were Gaeta and Zarek given trials?
* How much time passed between the mutiny and the execution?
* Did Zarek subsequently target the absent members of the Quorum for assassination? Do any of them, other than Lee, live through the mutiny?

== Character Development ==
*''In the [[Miniseries]] (in the teaser) the first time we see Lt. Felix Gaeta and then-Commander Adama, Gaeta was handing him routine reports-and also unknown to them the first indications of trouble-while he was practicing his public address on the occasion of ''Galactica'''s-and his-retirement. It is of note considering what we now know of what the unimaginable future had for them:''

:'''Gaeta''': Morning, sir. (hands him messages) Com traffic from the midwatch.

:'''Adama:''' Morning. (re: messages) Anything interesting?

:'''Gaeta:''' Mostly housekeeping. Oh, there is one odd message we were copied on. (shows him the message) The one from Fleet headquarters. Courier officer's overdue coming back from Armistice station.

:'''Adama:''' Hm.

:'''Gaeta:''' They're asking for a status report on all FTL capable ships in case they need someone to jump out there tomorrow and see if his ship's had a mechanical problem.

:'''Adama:''' I think we're a little busy tomorrow, Mr. Gaeta. What do you think?

:'''Gaeta:''' (grins) Yes, sir. And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years.

:'''Adama:''' It's been my honor, good luck on your next assignment.

*It's also interesting to note that the first time Roslin meets a Number Two, he is trying to sabotage the fleet and she has him executed ([[Flesh and Bone]]); in this episode she and a Number Two are seen cooperating and sharing a friendly moment. It may have even been the same Number Two, as Leoben is still alive and has been prominent among the rebels.

== Official Statements ==
*[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-gaeta-blood-scales-angeli.html Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Michael Angeli about the episode:], The Six who sleeps with Baltar on the baseship is named [[Number Six#Lida|Lida]].

* ''[[Richard Hatch]] discusses his desire for a [[Tom Zarek]] interview prior to Zarek's execution:''

: I actually want to do the final Tom Zarek interview before he gets blown out the airlock, which they didn’t show, on the show. They had [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] talk to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], but you never got to see what Zarek was feeling. And I always wanted to do the final Zarek interview, you know, a little bit like the [[w:David Frost|David Frost]] interview with [[w:Richard Nixon|[Richard] Nixon]], where you could understand a little more deeply where he was coming from.

: I always wanted to go into that, just because I always felt that some people missed the point. They took sides, on who they liked more, as opposed to seeing what was really happening there. And art is not just about entertainment, not about taking sides; it’s about challenging your thinking, seeing things outside the box and expanding your mind, and seeing things from a larger viewpoint.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II|date=13 August 2009|accessdate=14 August 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*'''''Tom Zarek''' delivers his ultimatum to '''Laura Roslin''''':
:'''Zarek''': This is Tom Zarek, President of the Twelve Colonies. It's over, Laura. Saul Tigh was killed attempting to escape. Bill Adama was tried and found guilty of his crimes. A firing squad executed him this morning. It's done, Laura. You want to think about the people of this fleet now, and surrender.
:'''Roslin''': No. Not now. Not ever. Do you hear me? I will use every cannon, every bomb, every bullet, every weapon I have down to my own eyeteeth to end you. I swear it!''' ''I'm coming for all of you!'''''
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is disturbed by the sight of the slaughtered Quorum delegates:
:'''Gaeta''': We--we had the truth on our side. Now . . . now . . .
:'''Zarek''': The truth is told by whoever is left standing.
*'''''Lee Adama''' has just thrown a grenade towards the marines guarding the Cylon Prisoners, allowing him and '''Kara Thrace''' to kill them, after which Kara takes cover and Lee looks at her both amused and pleased with himself:
:'''Lee Adama''': ''walking forward and picking up the Grenade'' I never pulled the pin.
:'''Kara Thrace''': Ok, that is not funny.
:'''Lee Adama''': It would have been if you had thought of it.
:'''Kara Thrace''': No, still not funny.
*'''''Laura Roslin''''' broadcasting to the fleet:
:'''Roslin''': This is President Laura Roslin speaking from the Cylon baseship. Felix Gaeta has seized ''Galactica'' by force. The Cylons were defending themselves. They will not harm you. I repeat, the Cylons will not harm you. I am asking all ships' captains not to jump. Do not jump! Shut down your FTL drives!
*'''''Felix Gaeta''' is about to be executed for his crimes:
:'''Gaeta''': (referring to the pain from his lost leg) It stopped.
*'''''Gaeta''' pours himself and Baltar a cup of what looks like Admiral Adama's coffee and Baltar looks at it confused:
:'''Gaeta''': Spoils of war.
*'''''Adama''' regains control of CIC and captures '''Gaeta''' and '''Zarek''':
:'''Adama''': ''(to a CIC crewmember)'' Connect me with the President.
:'''Crewmember''': Right away Admiral.
:''(Adama puts down his gun and picks up the phone)''
:'''Adama''': Madam President, this is the Admiral! Stand down! I repeat ''Galactica'' secure, stand down!
:''(Roslin, Baltar and the Cylons are clearly relieved with Roslin and an Eight even crying)''
:'''Roslin''': ''(tearfully)'' Bill!

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate [[Dahlia]]
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Adrian Holmes]] as Marine [[Parr]]

== References ==
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{{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}

[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Wayne Rose]]
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[[de:Blut in der Waagschale]]

Law of the Twelve Colonies (RDM)

2011-07-15T20:33:17Z

Dogger55: /* Amnesty, Pardons and Commutations */

{{RDM twelve colonies series}}
There are many legal precedents and laws that bound the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] together, as well as methods of trying people under said laws. This article highlights how the laws are treated by the Colonials before and after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].

== Articles of Colonization ==
{{mainarticle|Articles of Colonization}}

The Articles of Colonization are the Twelve Colonies' constitution and guarantee its citizens basics rights. They were ratified after the [[Cylon War]].

== Legal precedents ==

=== Amnesty, Pardons and Commutations ===

The President has the authority to grant amnesty for crimes, and may have a full range of options for extending executive clemency. In "[[Collaborators]]", President [[Laura Roslin]] grants amnesty to humans in the Fleet who aided or cooperated with the Cylons on [[New Caprica]]. In "[[Revelations]]", Acting President [[Lee Adama]] grants amnesty to the Final Four humanoid Cylons.

The express language of the [[w:Pardons#Federal_law|U.S. Constitution]] confers upon the President the power to grant "reprieves and pardons". This language has been broadly construed to include "pardons, conditional pardons, commutations of sentence, conditional commutations of sentence, remissions of fines and forfeitures, respites and amnesties". Similar language in the [[Articles_of_Colonization|Articles of Colonization]] may explain Laura Roslin's decision to use the language "general pardon" to describe the amnesty she granted in "Collaborators".

=== Asylum ===

Citizens of the Colonies may ask for asylum from the military. [[Rya Kibby]], a 17 year old [[Gemenese]] woman, sought and successfully gained asylum from the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]'s highest ranking officer, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]].

The result of asylum in Kibby's case was the successful abortion of her pregnancy, despite her parents' wishes ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

=== Recreational drug use ===

Prior to the [[First Cylon War]], the Colonies passed legislation regarding the legalization of recreational drugs, such as [[opium]]. This came as a result of decades of fierce debate amongst the Twelve Colonies, which effectively removed the profit motive from drug runners and their ilk ([[Gravedancing]]). Results of this legislation can be seen in the operation of opium dens on Caprica ([[The Reins of a Waterfall]]).

While the legislation regarding drug use is unspecified in the period following the [[Armistice]] and prior to the [[Fall of the Colonies]], legal consequences of recreational drug use are not available ("[[Unfinished Business]]", "[[Razor]]").

=== Reproductive Rights ===

The issue of abortion is left untouched by law until near the end of the [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)|first year]] of the exodus with the case of [[Rya Kibby]] and her unborn child.

Prior to its resurgence post-Fall, abortion is an issue heavily contested in the Colonies, despite its legalization. In particular, the [[Gemenese]] argue against the practice on religious grounds; [[Laura Roslin]] makes the claim that she has fought for women's reproductive rights for her entire political career, and would not concede to Representative [[Sarah Porter]]'s demands regarding Kibby.

As a result of population projections provided by [[Gaius Baltar]], which highlighted the necessity of repopulating the human species, Roslin overturned the abortion laws thus making it illegal for abortions to happen anywhere in the Fleet ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

== Colonies' Rights ==

Each colony has their own laws as part of their autonomy from the federal government. For example, on Gemenon, children are legally owned by their parents until they are 18 years of age ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Moreover, prior to Gaius Baltar's trial for collaboration with the Cylons, there is debate among the Fleet's leadership and judicial experts under which colony's law he should be tried. This implies the absence of a federal criminal code. The lack of a comprehensive law library of all colonies, but Adama having some of his [[Joseph Adama|father]]'s [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Law books|legal books]], may have resulted in the use of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprican]] law ([[A Day in the Life]]).

== The Cylons ==

Legally speaking, the Cylons (even in their [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid]] form) are not considered people, and are therefore not afforded the typical treatment of enemy combatants.<ref>[[Ron Moore]]'s comments about [[Sources:Concurring Opinions Interview with Ron Moore and David Eick/Part 1-B#Cylon rights|Cylon rights]] from the Colonial perspective.</ref>

Cylon prisoners have been subjected to torture and execution without trial ([[Flesh and Bone]], [[A Measure of Salvation]]).

The Cylon faction that allied itself with the Colonial fleet after the [[Cylon Civil War]] broke out insisted upon being made citizens in exchange for augmenting the fleet with their technology ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]).

The allied Cylons were given a seat on the Quorum of Ships' Captains, filled by a Number Six named [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]]. They remained semi-autonomous, as evidenced by the fact that [[Sharon Valerii]] was released to them to be tried for treason against her own people ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]).

== Legal proceedings ==

[[Image:BaltarTribunal.jpg|thumb|right|The tribunal presiding over Gaius Baltar.]]
Colonial law knows jury trials as well as tribunals. The right to a trial before a jury of one's peers seems to be guaranteed by the [[Articles of Colonization]] ([[Collaborators]], [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]). However, Gaius Baltar is tried by five judges, who are randomly selected from the Fleet's ships' captains ([[Crossroads, Part I]] & [[Crossroads, Part II|II]]). The confusion prior to Baltar's trial suggests that no serious civilian legal framework exists within the Fleet, at least on a federal level.

The prosecution and defense of the accused is conducted by attorneys and sometimes legal aides. <ref>Their methods and conducts largely mirrors modern American legal practices.</ref>

=== Courts-martial ===

In the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], violations against civil and [[Colonial Military Code|military law]] can be prosecuted by courts-martial.

For example, Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]] holds a court-martial to try [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Karl Agathon]] for killing Lieutenant [[Thorne]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). <ref>This trial differs significantly from real world practices in the United States. Cain holds a summary court-martial and sentences them to death by herself. In real life, a general court-martial is required for passing the death penalty, which then consists of five judges. Summary courts-martial have one judge, but only deal with relatively minor offenses and sentences.</ref>
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== Presidential provisions ==

During the second term of President [[Laura Roslin]], she institutes various emergency and secret provisions for the survivors. Some of these are minor and hardly of notice, while others are potentially consequential to the civil liberties within the Fleet.

Such provisions can be, and have been, challenged by the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] at their choosing and include the following:

; {{inlineref|Emergency Provision 17}} : Prevents [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] from assembling in groups larger than 12. This provision is enacted after a brutal attack on Baltar's Cult and its commune by the [[Sons of Ares]]. Roslin, treating Baltar as a "special case" for fear that Baltar would assume some modicum of political power and to prevent any violence he may allegedly agitate, enacts this provision without Quorum approval. It is overthrown by an emergency session of the Quorum, championed by Caprican delegate [[Lee Adama]] ([[Escape Velocity]]).
; Unknown Provision : A provision authorized at the same time as Emergency Provision 17 deals with the repair of an elevator ([[Escape Velocity]]).

== References ==

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[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: Colonial Government]]
[[Category: Colonial Government (RDM)]]
[[Category: Colonial Society]]
[[Category: Colonial Society (RDM)]]
[[Category: RDM]]

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* Analogues
** Law of the Twelve Colonies (TOS)|TOS's Laws of the Twelve Colonies
* Lawyers
** Joseph Adama|Joseph Adama
** Cassidy|Cassidy
** Romo Lampkin|Romo Lampkin
* See Also
** Articles of Colonization|Articles of Colonization
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Talk:Escape Velocity/Archive 1

2011-07-14T22:09:20Z

Dogger55: /* Analysis re. Adama's book reading */

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== The Lord of Kobol reference ==

During the service by Chief Tyrol he utters the like "...and the Lords of Kobol, as many and as varied as mortal men..."

Could this be taken literally, and suggest some new connection between the Colonials and the Lords of Kobol? It feels like the sort of cryptic clue the writes would drop in.

12 Colonies, 12 Cylon models, and perhaps 12 Gods? {{unsigned|DarthS}}
:The bajillionth time, nobody has ever said there are only 12 Lords of Kobol. There are 12 Olympians in greek mythology, but that doesn't even include some of the most prominent deities, such as Poseidon or Hades. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poseidon is one of them, but not Hades, who belongs to a group of deities and figures associated with the underworld. But the Greeks did not just worship the Olympians. The Colonials don't have to either, in regards to the Lords of Kobol. But yeah, there is a general consensus of who the Olympians are, but that changed with time and region. Different cities and regions sometimes worshiped different gods -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== Analysis re. Adama's book reading ==

I noticed there was a comment on the Analysis section about Adama reciting the passage, even though he said they were to the part he hadn't read before. Actually, he states that they are ''getting'' to the part he hasn't passed before, so they hadn't actually reached it yet, so if anything, these would be the parts he would remember the most, since it would be where he always stops after.

If anything, it seems like some double-symbolism could be read in to the fact that he would always stop reading after that particular passage...

(I don't know how to edit the page itself, or even if it's appropriate to, hence why I wanted to comment here instead).

[[User:MathewBurrack|MathewBurrack]] 19:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, that's how I saw it too. He doesn't say that he hasn't read that particular bit yet. As for editing the page, just click on "edit" at the top, next to "discussion" which you presumably used to get here. And don't be afraid of making changes, as they can be easily undone if something goes wrong. Though it's a good idea to discuss potentially contentious issues and big changes first, this a relatively minor thing. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

*I edited that section to reflect the writer's analysis, as given in her DVD commentary for a similar scene in "[[The Hub]]". Unfortunately, only the first part of that podcast is transcribed, but you can listen to it at 35:30 here - [http://media.syfy.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/411/bsg_ep411_FULL.mp3]. (her reference to "Episode 6" comes from counting "[[Razor]]" as episodes 1 and 2) -- [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 18:09, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

== [[Virtual Six]] ==
Before posting analysis or question, did Virtual Six finally exhibited an actual physical manifestation when standing up Baltar in front of the guard? In the past, her effects could be explained away. Thoughts, opinions?-- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:It seems the most extreme so far, but we've seen apparently physical interaction between her and Baltar before. She has pushed him into mirrors or walls for example. Though his contortions are hard to pull of alone, it might not be impossible. They had to film it somehow and I guess Callis did it alone. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::His feet actually came off the ground at one point while his body was still limp. I think he was being pulled up by wires. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 05:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Huh? They never showed his feet, so there's no way of telling that. I think there would have been gasps of astonishment from everyone if he was actually levitating instead of just standing and walking funny. It's certainly possible to move like that by yourself, I've tried. Really, I don't see what the big deal about this is. This isn't any different from Six shoving him into a wall or even grabbing his tie. If you need an idea for how an "imaginary friend" could do this kind of thing, check out the parking garage fight in Fight Club, where Tyler drags the narrator around, throws him down stairs, etc. [[User:INH|INH]] 13:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Uncredited actors ==
At least two actors with speaking parts are uncredited. One is the leader of Sons of Eris (although he does look a bit similar to the [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine guard|Marine guard]] to me - can anyone confirm or deny?) and "Mr. Officious" (nicknamed so by Baltar), the guy who investigates the scene of the assault. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 22:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
: You mean the [[Sons of Ares]] right? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sure, too much [[wikipedia:Principia Discordia|Principia Discordia]]. :) Anyway, the question still stands. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I updated the entry with the name of the actor who plays the leader of the raid. "Mr. Officious" is a non-speaking extra. They later looped his line through the loop group so there's no actor credited. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 17:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Officious looks like the leader of the sons of ares to me. That my two cents--[[User:KDP3|KDP3]] 03:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
: Wouldn't be surprising... The Sons of Ares did know military protocols, and knew they had two minutes to grab Baltar before there would be some kind of military response. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, [[User:Mmmm... toasty]] has proven that the Ares leader and "Mr. Officious" are two different people. Plus the actors look different. So, I guess not. (Of course, this doesn't mean that Mr. Officious was of the Sons of Ares, or merely hated Baltar's guts.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== "Offshoot Religions" comment ==

During the Quorum meeting, one of the delegates mentions that the laws against Baltar's group assembling could also be applied to other minority religions, noting especially that Baltar's teachings seemed similar to that of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraic_Mysteries "Mithras Followers"], a real-world religion which was contemporaneous with, and a rival of, early christianity. The existence of another Colonial religion taken from our history and apparently not centered on the Lords of Kobol or the Cylon God may be another clue about how the Colonials fit in with Earth. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 05:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Delany Stadium ==

In the scene where Adama sits with Tyrol at [[Joe's bar]], there seems to be a poster for "Delan(e)y Stadium" behind Adama. Anyone else noticed that?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 18:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:My...erm copy isn't of high enough quality to really read it, but now that you point it out. Maybe a reference to [[Dana Delany]] (though it seems to be written as "Delaney")? -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I can't really make out what the poster says on Hulu, but I'm guessing it has to do with [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]].--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 19:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Summary ==

People can work on adding summaries of Acts 1 through 4 to the page... :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Name of Petty Officer ==

Can anyone confirm the name of the Petty Officer that Adama orders Tyrol to report to after their very public argument? I think it's "Basim", but I'm not to sure. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yep, Basim. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

We need to look at this and other season 4 episode guides. Their analysis sections seem anything but neutrally worded and have too much speculative information. My feeling is that analysis sections develop over time as successive episodes complete the interpretation or information. There's some [[BW:FANW|fanwank]] in this that I'd like to revise when time permits. I know these S4 eps are juicy views, but it looks a little overboard. Also, indented subanalyses are just as bad as intended questions that make the article self-argumentative. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
: Agreed. I was going to go through them yesterday and rework the analysis sections, but I don't have the time to do that right now. Anyone who wants to take a crack at it is welcome to do so! :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::As an aforementioned guilty party, I agree completely. I think that it would help all to go back and read Season One's guides. There are times that one must leave out "good stuff" for the sake of concision. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I think Seasons 2 and Season 3 are a good middle ground aside from some exceptions. The Season 1 guides are a bit too sparse in some areas.
:::And indention does have its uses to elaborate on something without necessarily being self-argumentative. I've already removed the additional bullet levels (that were indeed argumentative) and brought it back to 2 which is appropriate here IMO -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe this page cleaned up very well. All that's really missing is some official commentary... With that in mind, I'd like to see that cleanup message removed. Aye? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:I don't see anything wrong with this either. There isn't any outrageous speculation. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Just as you are ==

Hi! Did anyone else recognize the "just as you are" quote of Dr.Baltar from Bridget Jones' Diary? {{unsigned|Colorwind}}
: Never watched Bridget Jones' Diary, but the "just as you are" quote is a belief that contrasts most mainstay religions, where its subjects are inferior and flawed creatures who need to be cleansed of their sins. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 20:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::It is funny that James Callis's character in Bridget Jones's Diary says that exact same line. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Lily-Miniseries Connection? ==

Is it just me, or does 'Lily', the older woman that Baltar converses with at the begginning of this episode, seem to be the woman that Baltar encounters during the attacks at Helo and Boomer's Raptor? I could just be looking to far into it, but that would be an interesting connection to the miniseries. {{unsigned|Pentagonal Deception}}
:Never mind, I re-watched the scene from the miniseries, and it doesn't appear to be her, strike my last. {{unsigned|Pentagonal Deception}}

== Development of "One God" theology in Baltar's sermon ==

(from memory from an hour ago; still having goosebumps)

Baltar's sermon where he says "each of you is perfect, and each of you is loved by God" immediately after saying "yes, you have your faults, but you are also perfect..."

I dare anybody who believes in and has seriously studied the theology of an Abrahamic religion not to get goosebumps going up and down while listening to Baltar preach. He's not quite to the explicit separation of the soul and the body, or the deen and the life in the dunia in Islamic terms, but he's so close he's rubbing his nose in it.

We're just getting to see Season 4 here in Second World Singapore, and more than any other stretch of BG episodes I can remember, this is building up and building up so much that I can't imagine any fans not being close to breakdown after another couple of episodes.

There were so many lines crossed in this episode that can't ever be undone again. But I think I do agree with Roslin: by backing down over the limits on assembly, they have ceded a ''huge'' amount of control to Baltar (and/or anybody else who can whip up a group of people); religious true believers are impervious to secular logic or compromise. She should know; one of the things that the writers and the actress are doing very, very skilfully is to gradually, over seasons, tear down what respect and sympathy people may once have been willing to give her because she's an autocratic bitch who justifies herself by her own personal spin on Colonial-standard theology. She's not mad at Baltar because he's an apostate; she's mad at him because he can appeal to people's faith, and ''lead'' by faith, much more effectively than she can.

And yes, I have read the episode synopses, here and elsewhere, and "knowing" what's going to happen doesn't reduce the gut-wrenching from ''seeing'' it for the first time. This is one of the most visual TV series I've ever seen in my life; this season more than before.

Scale of 0 to 10: I give it an "Oh, my God..."
[[User:Jdickey|Jdickey]] 16:14, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I found it refreshing and interesting to hear your thoughts. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Escape Velocity

2011-07-14T21:49:44Z

Dogger55: /* Characters */

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== Overview ==
: ''Religious freedom is debated and defended as the messianic [[Gaius Baltar]] promotes his belief in one true [[God (RDM)|God]]. Meanwhile, [[Galen Tyrol]] tries to cope with the death of his [[Callandra Tyrol|wife]] and fails.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

* In a makeshift [[temple]] aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', [[Galen Tyrol]] performs a ritual commemoration ceremony in the memory of his wife, [[Callandra Tyrol|Callandra Henderson Tyrol]]. In attendance are [[Laura Roslin]], Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]], Delegate [[Lee Adama]], [[Tory Foster]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] and [[Anthony Figurski]].
* After the priest ends the service, Roslin (wearing a wig) tells Adama that she likes the ceremony, insinuating that she wants Adama to perform the same service for her when she dies.
* Tyrol is given condolences by people as they leave the temple. Foster asks Roslin why they have to do "these things at dawn", to which Roslin replies that they have to.
* After Roslin gives her condolences, Tyrol grabs a hold of both Foster and Tigh, who hastily offer their condolences. As they walk out, they complain that Tyrol almost attracted attention to themselves.
* Delegate Adama offers his condolences as Tyrol stares off after Foster and Tigh; Adama leaves without a response from Tyrol.
* Tigh enters the surveillance room adjoining [[Caprica-Six]]'s brig. The Marines inform him that she continues her same routine. When broaching the topic of how Six doesn't go nuts, the [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Blonde female Marine|female Marine]] replies that she probably turns off her brain, prompting interest from Tigh.
* Tigh enters the brig, informing Six that her request to see [[Hera Agathon]] has been denied. Six notes that Tigh already told her this, and asks what else he wants from her. During the discussion, Tigh sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in place of Six. Tigh, unsure of what to make of it, tells Six to stay back from him. Six notes that he visits her every day, but doesn't ask questions any more. Tigh leaves, with her saying that she'll see him tomorrow.
* In his quarters, Tyrol sits while [[Nicholas Tyrol]] cries. Foster and Tigh gruffly admonish Tyrol for his behavior at the service.
* Tigh inquires after the baby. Tyrol notes that Nicholas probably needs to be changed; Tigh goes about doing so.
* Foster asks Tyrol if he believes Cally killed herself because of him. Tyrol brings up the alleged affair between them, to which Foster replies that they didn't have one. Tyrol voices his concerns over which of his memories were real, and whether or not there was ever an action in his life that wasn't programmed. Foster espouses what, according to Tigh, is "[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s crap" when she tells Tyrol that they, as [[humanoid Cylons|Cylons]], don't need guilt since they are perfect. Tigh, on the other hand, believes that Tyrol is feeling what men feel after the death of a loved one. Tigh continues by telling Tyrol that he'll see Cally every day, while referencing his own experience of [[Torn|hearing]] and [[Virtual Ellen|seeing]] his dead wife. Tigh finishes by saying that Tyrol feels what he needs to feel, but not at the expense of being outed as Cylons, while Foster says to think about what they are and embrace their Cylon attributes.

=== Act 1 ===

* [[Tory Foster]] visits [[Gaius Baltar]] in the commune. There, she wakes Baltar by pulling out a hair on his head. Baltar replies "Gods", which Foster questions. She continues by plucking another hair off of Baltar's head, asking about how he was feeling. He replies that it was an intense feeling. She then massages his crotch, then while doing so, plucks out another hair on his head. She asks if the signals of pain and pleasure get crossed, which Baltar replies in the affirmative. As Baltar tries to leave, Foster forces Baltar down on the bed. After noting her strength, she begins to engage in foreplay, running her tongue across his cheek.
* As she babbles on about her beliefs about "pain turning into pleasure" and the like (much to Baltar's testicular displeasure), members of the [[Sons of Ares]] begin their march towards the commune. Their attack on the commune begins by throwing a smoke grenade, which allows them to enter the commune and attack Baltar's cultists with near impunity, painting graffiti and wreaking havoc. They quickly try to find Baltar, but they know they have two minutes to do so before they can expect some kind of military response. At the one minute mark, an announcement over the PA announces a security alert on deck eight, section fourteen.
* During these two minutes, Baltar hides himself behind a support beam near the ceiling. After the attack, Foster looks up at him as the Sons of Ares people clear out of the commune, vowing to find Baltar.
* In the [[hangar bay]], [[Galen Tyrol]] is repairing the [[ECO]] console on [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]'s [[Raptor]]. Deckhand [[Anthony Figurski]] asks if Tyrol is almost done, Tyrol replies that he just has one more relay, which his hands have a problem in reaching. During this, he has flashbacks of Cally, including one where Cally helps him out during the construction of the [[Blackbird]].
* Tyrol's flashback of his [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|beating of Cally after his suicidal nightmare]] is interrupted by Edmondson, who asks if he's done with his repairs. Pocketing a fuse, he morosely replies that he's done.
* Edmondson and [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]] launch to the departing waves of crew members on the deck. They join up with a [[CAP|combat air patrol]] led by [[Redwing|Paolo "Redwing" McKay]], who teases them for driving "a school bus". Edmondson counters by comparing the Vipers to bicycles, to which Redwing replies that the Vipers are race cars.
* When Edmondson throttles up, she loses control of the Raptor's port lower rear [[RCS]] thruster. She requests an emergency landing and struggles to bring the Raptor back to the port landing pod deck, but they crash-land, with flaming wreckage colliding with a [[landram]].
* Meanwhile, Baltar is chastising "[[Mr. Officious]]" for his lack of speed in finding out who their attackers are. [[Virtual Six]] prompts him to look at the painted graffiti in the wall, which is written in old text. He reads it, discovering that his attackers were from the Sons of Ares. He asks about their motivations, to which Six replies that "[[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|old Gods]] die hard even among your people". He sees Six next to a woman, whose name he believes starts with an "M", until she corrects him: her name is [[Lilly]]. Baltar discovers a religious artifact belonging to [[Asclepius]] in her hand, which she prays to. She claims that she believes that Baltar will heal their people, but still has belief in Asclepius. Six then adds that the "Gods are fighting back".
* In the hangar bay, Tyrol and Figurski are looking over the remains of the Raptor, whose relays are still hot. When checking under the ECO console, Tyrol discovers the burnt-out fuse he neglected to replace, discovering the replacement in his shirt's pocket. He admits that the crash was his fault.
* McCall angrily confronts Tyrol, but is interdicted by Edmondson, who attempts to defuse the situation. McCall concedes that it's all right, and that no one got hurt. Tyrol presses on however, saying that he doesn't need to be "patted on the head" and that its all right if people told him that he [[frak|frakked up]]. He becomes more vocal when Edmondson mentions that "he's only human", but she walks away and no one else comments. He calls them all "cowards".
* Figurski offers to finish looking over the Raptor. In reply, Tyrol tells Figurski to get out of the ship.
* As Baltar looks at the pendant for Asclepius, Virtual Six tells him that people have room for only one great belief, either him or the Gods. Despite Baltar's misgivings about one man standing up to the old Gods, Six convinces him that such a man who does would surely be magnificent. Inspired by this, Baltar tells his members that they have been targeted because of what they believe in, and urges them to take a stand against Gods that have no relevance in their world.
* Baltar then leaves, with [[Jeanne]] and the others following.
* Baltar enters the temple, where the priest is performing a service. He interrupts the ceremony despite the priest's attempts to stop him. Baltar begins asking the parishioners who they serve, blaspheming [[Zeus]] by calling him a "serial rapist" and pointing out the absurdity of giving birth through one's forehead. The priest confronts him, but Baltar calls her an "ignorant witch" and continues discussing the so-called Gods, including how Asclepius heals with the blood of a [[Gorgon]], in addition to the other "invented rubbish" as he vandalizes the temple.
* As his other cultists follow his example, Marines storm the temple and forcibly extricate Baltar as the polytheists in the temple try to attack him, yelling out demands to "burn him".

=== Act 2 ===

* [[William Adama]] visits [[Laura Roslin]] in [[sickbay]] after her blood test. He's brought a different book to read named ''[[Searider Falcon]]'', a classic novel. Roslin comments that she hasn't read it in years, and Adama confesses that he's never finished the book, since he finds the book too good to finish, and is saving the ending. She suggests that she should also do that, but after an awkward realization shared between the two, she corrects herself.
* After Adama offers to take her bag, he notes that "[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s back at home in the brig again". Roslin believes that Baltar's desecration of the temple was revenge for what happened to his commune that morning. Adama replies that he has people looking into the brutal attack on Baltar's cult, but no one is talking about the [[Sons of Ares]]. She replies that Baltar's knowingly provoking the hard-line religious groups from [[Dogsville]], and they agree that they can't have a religious fight in the [[the Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Further, they both agree that Baltar is the crux of the problem, as he has an "uncanny way of stirring up all the crap". They discuss the various options, including locking him away for his own safety to removing him from ''Galactica''. However, Roslin has a better idea and goes to the brig so that Baltar can see her.
* Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] visits [[Caprica-Six]] in the brig. She notes that he didn't even make it to tomorrow. Tigh reveals that he does want something, and asks her how it feels to have the blood of billions of human beings on her hands. She replies that she cannot help but to feel it. Tigh orders the Marines to aim their weapons at her.
* On the hangar deck, Tyrol is welding as Figurski walks by and asks him if he woke up early or never went to sleep. Tyrol doesn't reply and Figurski walks off. After this, Tyrol simply walks off the job, throwing his welder's mask and gloves upon the floor.
* In the brig, Six tells Tigh that she is just as human as he is. During the conversation, he sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in Six's place, and asks her how she deals with the pain. She doesn't answer and Tigh tells the Marines to step outside. After the Marines do so, he tells her that she has nothing to offer him and that she is the same as the rest of the Cylons.
* Also in a brig, Baltar is awakened by Roslin. After Baltar makes a quip about her strip searching him, she tells him that his situation is being looked into "aggressively". She tells him that she is wearing a wig and dying from cancer, but she doesn't want his pity and is still doing her job. She assures him that she's aggressively looking into the men that attacked him. However, there is a caveat to this: she tells him that she wants a quiet little death, and insinuates that Baltar give up his crusade quietly, as she has neither the time nor the patience to indulge him.
* Roslin leaves, telling Baltar that he's being released and to stay safe.
* In [[Joe's Bar]], Adama joins Tyrol at the bar. Adama tells Tyrol that the deck crew misses him and tells him that if he needs time off, or if he wants to work more shifts, all he need to is ask. Tyrol replies that he doesn't need special treatment. In reply, Tyrol hallucinates Adama receiving a shot of alcohol and this reply: "I guess it was just more than she could take, huh? Being married to a Cylon who made her the mother to a half-breed abomination."
* The hallucination ends when Adama gets his drink and comments that Cally was a good woman. Tyrol replies that had Adama really thought that, he wouldn't have threatened to stick her up against a bulkhead and have her shot. Despite Adama's efforts to move their conversation somewhere else, Tyrol then goes into a tirade about how he was stuck with the best of limited options, describing Cally as a "shriek" with "dull, vacant eyes" and a "cabbage smell". He tells Adama that he is sick of his life, a life that he did not choose, and hating to find out that those they really loved were dead, dying, or were Cylons. He pines on his love of [[Sharon Valerii]], and notes that because he tried to stick his head in the sand, he married Cally. He tells her that she was no angel, but notes that Adama has already made her into one. He tells Adama that they are not in the same club, since he never asked the right questions.
* Adama gives him a last chance to recant, but Tyrol refuses, daring Adama to demote him and get him off the ship. Challenged, Adama does so, and orders Specialist Tyrol to report to a petty officer to get reassigned, since Tyrol is a danger to others.
* Adama leaves, while Tyrol slowly collapses into his stool at the bar.

=== Act 3 ===

* On ''[[Colonial One]]'' during a [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting, [[Lee Adama]] argues with President Roslin over an emergency measure limiting the size of Baltar's groups so they don't provoke attacks from fundamentalist groups, steadfastly contending that "where ever Baltar is, violence happens", and assures Adama and other delgates that her goal is to keep the people safe from harm by preventing such violence. However, Lee's objections are supported by fellow Quorum members, such as [[Reza Chronides]], who are concerned that the emergency measure that Roslin "bulldozed through" may be used against other religious groups, such as the [[Mithraism|Mithraists]]. Roslin assures people that this won't happen, and the emergency measure was enacted because [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] is a special case, a claim that Lee rebukes by saying that they're making him a special case. During the conversation, [[Tory Foster]] remains silent, but is visibly concerned.
* Despite Lee's assertion that Baltar is not preaching violence and other amoral acts, and objections by the delegates, Roslin tells them to clear their heads and urges the people to remember the tragedy they experienced on [[New Caprica]]. Chronides pointedly asks if Roslin will open the resolution for a full discussion amongst the Quorum, which Roslin quickly and vehemently refuses to do.
* Lee responds by noting that the Quorum can override Roslin, and notes that he's willing to do so since he believes the resolution cannot stand.
* Incensed by this, Roslin replies with rhetoric: should they overturn her decision, the people would win, but at what cost? She implores them to remember what happened when Baltar held political power, and saying they should be terrified at the prospect of Baltar regaining such power again, even through Baltar's cult.
* In the brig, [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] watches [[Caprica-Six|Six]] as she sleeps. He believes he's seeing Ellen. When she awakens, Six asks if she should get familiar to waking up to Tigh's face. She notes the lack of a Marine escort. Tigh tells her that it is an informal chat between them, to which she astutely replies that they're also being watched. Tigh tells her that she hasn't answered his question. She replies that she wants the pain and learns from it. She mentions how she fell in love with Baltar, and understood that she wouldn't have him forever. She continues to discuss Baltar, which breaks Tigh out of his illusion of seeing Ellen. He angrily reacts to this, saying that he refuses to hear about "Gaius Frakking Baltar" and leaves the brig. He enters the adjoining surveillance room to dismiss the Marines and deactivate the surveillance equipment.
* Tigh reenters the brig, where he is prompted with an offer by Six to help him turn off the pain. She reveals that she learns from the pain, the guilt, and she claims that she's found clarity and wisdom from these things. Tigh sits on the cot with her, where he is told how the humanoid Cylon brain is patterned after the human brain, where she claims that the Cylons have learned things about the human mind that the humans themselves are unaware of.
* Six, who Tigh now sees as Ellen, removes his eye patch and offers to give him clarity.
* Baltar and his cultists proceed to the commune, but are stopped by a Marine who tells him of Roslin's emergency measure, [[Emergency Provision 17]], and that no group larger than twelve can be assembled at any time. Baltar insists that he lives in the commune, but the marine will have none of it, even when [[Paulla Schaffer]] offers to leave and allow Baltar to enter. When Baltar tries to make his way into the commune at the urging of his Virtual Six, he is beaten back by the Marine and begins to spit out blood from his mouth.

=== Act 4 ===

* In the brig, [[Saul Tigh]] tells [[Caprica-Six]] to get her hands off him. She punches him, throwing him from the cot. She then jumps on him and begins punishing him in the face, enjoying it in the process. After this, she asks him if he feels the pain, and the clarity that comes with it. When he does not reply, she continues to punch him.
* [[Virtual Six]] convinces [[Gaius Baltar]] to continue to defy the Marine, assuring him that the gains for doing so outweigh the initial costs. He does so, and is repeatedly beaten back to the ground in front of his followers every time he takes a move towards the commune. "Aided" by his virtual Six, Baltar gets up and continues this action, until Lee Adama arrives with a [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Marine lieutenant]]. He informs them that the provision has been rescinded and right for full public assembly is restored.
* [[Tracey Anne]], [[Jeanne]] and [[Paulla Schaffer]] rush out to help Baltar into the commune. Before entering the commune, Baltar thanks Adama for helping him. Adama replies that he doesn't know why he does these things for Baltar. Baltar says that Adama does such things because "your God compels you".
* In [[sickbay]], [[Laura Roslin]] tells [[William Adama]] (who is holding ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' in his hand) that Lee has no idea of what he's doing, believing that there are "pragmatic realities" that Lee refuses to face. Adama agrees to this, saying that Lee's only doing what he thinks is right. Roslin does agree to that, but says that "sometimes the right thing is a luxury" and has its own set of dangerous consequences that Lee doesn't want to be true. She stops herself from continuing, since she realizes that shouldn't get upset during her [[Doloxan]] treatment.
* Adama tells her that he's about to get into the part of the book he hasn't read yet and, when asked if he can continue, Adama starts reading. Roslin goes to sleep and Adama continues from the reading, despite having closed the book and apparently knowing the words by rote.
* In the brig, a beaten Tigh begs to Six to continue her assault. However, she changes tactics, saying that being beaten is not what he needs. She then kisses him.
* In the commune, Baltar makes his speech where he notes that while he isn't a perfect man, he believes that something in the universe loves him despite his flaws and faults. Urged on by Virtual Six, he calls this "spark", which dwells in the soul of every living being, "God" and moves the crowd when he says that each and every person is perfect, and that they can love others once they love themselves.
* During Baltar's speech, Lee Adama sees [[Tory Foster]] in attendance. Elsewhere on the ship, [[Galen Tyrol]] stares at [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], who is playing in his crib.
* On ''[[Demetrius]]'', [[Kara Thrace]] is sleeping at a table when [[Samuel Anders]] comes in, watching over her.
* Baltar finishes his speech by saying that God loves that which is perfect, and that people are perfect as they are. Foster is smiling, while the other cultists begin to weep and give him a standing ovation. Lee Adama moves to leave the commune while Virtual Six looks over at Foster.

== Notes ==
* [[w:Escape velocity|Escape velocity]] is the minimum initial velocity an unaccelerated object needs to escape a body's gravitational field.
* [[Cally Tyrol]]'s full first name is Callandra. The spelling is confirmed in [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=246 Bear McCreary's blog post] for this episode. The episode also marks the first onscreen mention of her birth name, Henderson.
* The [[survivor count]] now accounts for Callandra Tyrol's death in "[[The Ties That Bind]]".
* A costuming error in the teaser shows [[Saul Tigh]] wearing the rank insignia of an [[Military Ranks (RDM)|admiral]]. This is noticeable in the scene where Tigh and [[Tory Foster]] confront [[Galen Tyrol]] in Tyrol's quarters after the memorial service.
* The [[Doloxan]] treatment [[Laura Roslin]] receives has forced her to wear a wig, since her hair loss began more than 22 days ago in "[[Six of One]]".
* Another of the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] is revealed: [[Asclepius]]. Asclepius is known to the Colonials as the god of healing.
* Unlike "[[The Ties That Bind]]", [[Tom Zarek]] is not present at the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] meetings on ''[[Colonial One]]'' in this episode. The reason for his absence is unexplained.
* Tory Foster confirms that the [[Final Five]] are stronger than humans.
* [[Redwing]] previously appeared in "[[Exodus, Part II]]" as [[Hot Dog]]'s wingman.
* The Raptor accident was the third such incident for the pair of [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]] and [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. The first occurrence being their FTL malfunction causing their mis-jump to the [[New Caprica]] system in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and another incident with the RCS thrusters occurs in "[[Dirty Hands]]".
*As Baltar speaks about loving oneself, knowing "what we are" and loving others, the camera includes shots of three Cylons who are struggling with self-identity and their feelings for humans - [[Galen Tyrol]] staring at his son at play, [[Samuel Anders]] watching his wife as she sleeps aboard the [[Demetrius]] and [[Tory Foster]] watching Baltar himself.

== Analysis ==

=== General ===

*The [[Sons of Ares]] act with military precision, have access to gas grenades and knowledge about the ship's security procedures. From this it is likely that many of them are soldiers and not civilians. This may be expected from a group dedicated to the [[Ares|god of war]].
* When facing down the Marines, the way in which Baltar is standing up appears as though he is being lifted up, which puzzles the Marines and Baltar's followers. This marks the first time where virtual Six does something to Baltar that isn't clearly presented like Baltar is doing it to himself. While it is possible that he moves like that all by himself, and his feet are never shown, it is implied that virtual Six can actually affect things physically. This, along with the [[virtual Baltar]] appearing to Baltar in "[[Six of One]]", and both virtual beings consistently knowing information that neither Baltar or Caprica-Six could actually know, hints that there may be something more to them than simply being illusions. What they are, of course, remains a matter of debate.
**In the [[Podcast:Escape Velocity#Act 4|podcast]], Ron Moore points out that such an interpretation was never intended by the writers. He concedes that the way it is shot goes into that direction, which he considers too far, but believes that none of the characters present would think of it any other way than Baltar moving around by himself.
* The scene where Baltar violently confronts the Colonials during their prayer service seems based on the biblical narrative of [[Wikipedia:Jesus and the money changers|Jesus and the money changers]].

=== Characters ===
* [[Galen Tyrol]]'s insubordination that leads Admiral Adama to demote him may have been a deliberate act, conscious or unconscious, to maintain the safety of the ship. While not stated explicitly, Tyrol has been implied to have fears of working against the interest of the Fleet. This fear is almost certainly magnified when he forgets to swap out a burned out component for a new one on [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]]'s Raptor, which subsequently crashes. While his memory lapse may have been innocently brought on by the continuing stress of discovering himself to be a Cylon, the resulting subterfuge, and his wife's death, the experience of [[Sharon Valerii]] with her memory lapses, unconscious acts of sabotage, and the attempted murder of then Commander Adama, are probably on his mind. This is indicated during the tirade against Cally, Adama, and his life in general in [[Joe's bar]]. A demotion in disgrace and transfer could ensure the safety of the ship, without raising any unwanted questions as an official resignation probably would.
* Neither Tyrol nor, apparently, Tigh have been told the full truth about [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]]'s death; Foster has not seen fit to tell Tigh, possibly as a result of the suicide pact made in "[[He That Believeth In Me]]". The official story surrounding her demise has not been disclosed to the audience, however all ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crew knows is that she did die. What has not been disclosed thus far is how Nicholas was found, despite the fact that Cally was seen by several crewmembers carrying the child before her death.
* Tyrol continues to have feelings for Sharon Valerii, as he admits to [[William Adama]] and everyone else present in Joe's Bar. Tyrol notes many of [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]]'s weaknesses, including her nagging, nosy nature (which lead to her death in "[[The Ties That Bind]]"), and grows annoyed at Adama's willingness to turn Cally into an angel, when he believes that she is unworthy of that. His feelings for Valerii were likely renewed upon realizing that he is a Cylon, which makes a possible association with Valerii much more acceptable to him.
* Tyrol's tirade about Cally and his reasons for marrying her also have a double meaning in regards to Adama. As it becomes more obvious, especially ever since "[[A Day in the Life]]", Adama's feelings for Roslin have become more apparent. Unfortunately, with her cancer re-appearing and her possible upcoming death, Roslin, like Valerii to Tyrol, is unattainable to Adama. Ironically, though Tyrol believes that Adama wants him to join his "club" in lamenting for Cally, it may very well be that it is Adama who wants to join Tyrol's club.
* Foster continues to embrace her Cylon nature and Baltar's teachings. She tells Tigh and Tyrol to turn off the guilt, that they are perfect and different from humans. Tigh, however, can't turn off his feelings and spends much of the episode wondering if [[Caprica-Six]] can.
* As Adama reads from ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to Roslin, he closes the book and continues, "I wasn't afraid to die. I was afraid of the emptiness that I felt inside. I couldn't feel anything. And that's what scared me. You came into my thoughts. I felt them. It felt good." Writer [[Jane Espenson]] explains in the DVD commentary for "[[The Hub]]" that Adama is pretending that the words come from the book, but he is actually speaking his heart to Roslin after he closes the book.
* Roslin's wig is strikingly reminiscent of [[Helena Cain]]'s hairstyle in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]". This is a visual counterpoint to her increasing ruthlessness as she confronts her impending death.
* Roslin's wig is also reminiscent of the hairstyle and look that she has in the vision she shared with Athena and Caprica-Six ([[TRS]]: "[[Crossroads, Part I]]"). This may indicate that the vision was a foretelling of future events to come in the season.
* Roslin's body language during and after her speech to the Quorum portrays several nuances to the audience. First, it is apparent, besides the hair loss, that the cancer treatments are weakening her body tremendously. Second, her previous statements to Baltar of having less and less patience is more evident in how she dealt with the Quorum's request. Third, as she leaves, the nuance of Roslin, with a hunched back and slowly sulking away indicates that there may be future consequences for the Quorum in standing up to Roslin.

=== Religion ===
* Delegate [[Reza Chronides]] mentions [[Mithraism]], thus further establishing the existence of other religions in the Twelve Colonies. The [[Sons of Ares]] are another religious group, described as [[w:fundamentalism|fundamentalist]].
*This is particularly notable in the context of Baltar's cult, because [[w:Mithraism|Mithraism]] had many things in common with [[w:Christianity|Christianity]]. Yet Christians were persecuted far more by the ([[w:polytheism|polytheistic]]) Romans, while Mithraism spread throughout the empire and particularly the army, before Christianity became the official religion and [[w:Paganism|paganism]] illegal. This furthers the connection of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] to the Roman/Greek gods and of Baltar to [[w:Jesus Christ|Christ]].
*In Baltar's theology people are perfect and God loves things that are perfect. Perfect things have no faults, therefore God loves one including one's faults. Hence, there is nothing wrong with one despite the questionable things done in life. This is similar to the Calvinist and Free Grace Christian theologies that hold that those truly saved by the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ can not lose their salvation. In other words, regardless of faults or sins past, present or future a true believer in Christ's complete salvation at the Cross would never be rejected by God. This is similar to Baltar's theology in which God would never reject a person under any circumstance because he or she is perfect regardless of their faults or sins. Under this world view God would regard [[Tory Foster]] as perfect and guiltless despite her murder of [[Cally Tyrol]], which she has convinced herself that she is.
*Furthermore, according to conventional Protestant Christian theology, one need only accept Jesus as savior and confess once. The confession must be heartfelt and true for Christ's salvation and redemption to be in effect in God's eyes. To use the example of Tory Foster once more, it is likely that Foster is truly embracing Baltar's teachings and perhaps her Cylon nature in that she truly believes they are perfect as is and forgiven as they are. This differs from what is required under conventional forms of Christianity in that Christ has paid for the sinner's salvation.
*Baltar's speech about loving one's self, and using that understanding to love and understand others seems thematically aligned with Virtual Six's initial remark in the Miniseries that "God is love." Ironically, Baltar's sinful past now seems to enhance his credibility and provide evidence that someone as sinful as him has been given fortune by God. In Christianity, to be redeemed from sin does not mean that one will stop sinning, but to live in constant reminder of God's love and favor because of Christ's sacrifice. Furthermore with that understanding that one is loved, one's behavior will change gradually and in certain circumstances miracles occur. Likewise, Baltar has repeatedly repented to God and had seemingly divine providence intervene in his favor several times. Since Baltar is now using his own sinful life as an example, it seems that this dynamic of Christianity is consistent here as well.

== Questions ==

* Will Lee Adama grow more sympathetic towards Baltar's group? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Partial Answer]])
* Will Roslin learn that Foster is associating with Baltar? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
* Will Tyrol seriously consider Foster's words?
* Will Foster clash with Tigh and Tyrol, as their different attitudes towards their Cylon nature develop?
* Are Tyrol and Tigh's hallucinations merely the result of grief and guilt, or are they using [[projection]]?
* Do Tigh and Six frak? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])
* Are Tigh and Six the "enemies brought together by impossible longing" spoken of by the [[First Hybrid]] in "[[Razor]]"?
* Are Tyrol's statements about Cally's negative attributes heartfelt, or merely a result of rage and anger? ([[The Road Less Traveled|Answer #1]], [[Blood on the Scales|Answer #2]], [[Daybreak, Part II|Answer #3]])
* What of [[Nicholas Tyrol]]? Will his father take care of the child?
* Now that it is clear that Foster lied to Tyrol about the death of Cally, how will Tyrol react should he discover the truth? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* What will Tyrol's new duties be after his demotion to specialist? ([[Blood on the Scales|Future Answer]])
* Further, what is his status within the [[Colonial Workers Alliance]]? Has he abandoned this union's leadership position or been forced out?
* Will Baltar's religion end up helping the people of the Fleet, or will it lead them into a dangerous state which compromises them, as Laura Roslin appears to fear?
* What influence will the new religion have on Roslin's beliefs and actions? Will she convert, will she be proven right, or will she be on the wrong side?
* Does Baltar's facial expression of seeming shock when he sees Virtual Six standing next to her and smiling, mean that he realizes that Tory Foster is a Cylon? ([[Revelations|Possible answer]]) Does he connect that with Foster's display of strength to him during their sex play?

== Official Statements ==
* ''[[Mark Verheiden]] discusses [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] being "lifted" by [[Virtual Six]]:''
: "I would argue that Baltar’s gyrations were still him contorting himself, as if Number Six were hoisting him from the floor. I am reminded of Church services where people, in the throes of religious fervor, can evidence remarkable physical contortions, 'speaking in tongues,' etc."<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/04/28/battlestar-galactica-interview-mark-verheiden-on-tyrols-guilt-and-baltar-the-traitor/|title=Battlestar Galactica Interview: Mark Verheiden on Tyrol's Guilt and Baltar the Traitor|date=28 April 2008|accessdate=1 May 2008|last=Ullrich|first=Chris|format=|language=}}</ref>

* ''Verheiden talks about [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s animosity towards Baltar:''
: "This starts to get a little complicated, I think, which of course means you’re watching ''Battlestar Galactica''! But Laura’s emotions about New Caprica have to be a swirl of righteous resentments and animosity.

: "Remember that she [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|was removed]] as President by the will of the people (in a squeaker of an election), replaced by a guy she knew would be a poor leader. That proved to be true even before the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] arrived and the [[Cylon Occupation Authority|occupation]] began.

: "So she would have watched the political machine on [[New Caprica]] flounder under Baltar’s rule, then see the Government’s total capitulation when the Cylons arrived and he immediately surrendered.

: "While Baltar more or less cooperated with the Cylons (regardless of whether his reasons were pragmatic and practical, as pointed out in his trial), humans were rounded up, imprisoned, eyeballs were gouged out, people were tortured, the nightmare went on and on.

: "After all that, Baltar [[Crossroads, Part II|managed to evade]] Laura’s idea of justice AND he falls into a [[Cult of Baltar|sect]] of acolytes who look to him for spiritual guidance.

: "Is it any wonder that the guy gets under her skin? And that she fears for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|fleet]] should he find another power base?"

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''[[William Adama]] and [[Galen Tyrol]]'s argument at Joe's Bar:''
: '''William Adama:''' [[Cally Tyrol|She]] was a good woman.
: '''Galen Tyrol:''' If you ''really'' believe that, you wouldn't have [[Dirty Hands|threatened]] to stick her up against a bulkhead and shoot her. It's OK though, thought about doing it a few times myself. Believe me.
: '''Adama:''' Chief...
: '''Tyrol:''' How many of us ended up with the people we wanted to be with? Got stuck with the best of limited options. And why? Because the ones we really want, that we've really loved, are dead, dying, turned out to be [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and they didn't know it. And if [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] had...
: '''Adama:''' Let's go. Let's go.
: '''Tyrol:''' No. ''No.'' I didn't know—
: '''Adama:''' Let's go home.
: '''Tyrol:''' ''I didn't know.'' So I buried my head in the sand, and I took it, and I settled. I settled for that shriek. Those dull, vacant eyes. Boiled cabbage stench of her. And why? Because this is my life. This is the life I picked! And that's fine. But you know what, it's not! I didn't pick this life! This isn't my ''[[frak]]kin''<nowiki>'</nowiki> life!
: '''Adama:''' What the hell's gotten in to you? Don't do this. Don't do this to her memory.
: '''Tyrol:''' You know what? I'm sorry if I'm not doing this the way you want me to, the way you might, but I'm not making an angel out of someone who wasn't an angel. But I can see you have. And now you've come down here to be in my club. But you're not in my club. You don't know what frakkin' club I'm in because you never ask the right questions.
: '''Adama:''' Chief, let's get out of here.
: '''Tyrol:''' No. Why don't ''you'' go, take care of your ''precious ship''.
: '''Adama:''' Stop it! Stop all of this! Because if you don't, I'll have to act on it. Now shut up!
: '''Tyrol:''' ''Great!'' Do it! Please! For the love of Gods, please demote me! ''Get me off your frakking ship!''
: '''Adama:''' Specialist Tyrol, I want you off my hangar deck before you endanger another pilot. You're to report to Petty Officer [[Basim]] at 0600 for reassignment. Do you understand?

* ''[[Caprica-Six]] tells [[Saul Tigh]] about her feelings:''
:"I want the pain. It's how I learn. I was instrumental in the destruction of humanity, but at the same time I learned, because...because I fell in love...with a human man, and he was mortal and fallible. And he had this incredible pride in himself. He thought he knew everything there was to know. And I loved him, with my whole heart. And then one day, I realized I wouldn't have him forever. I understood what I'd done. How I betrayed him and humanity. And that pain taught me to understand death. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] could die. And I loved him. Baltar's heart was ephemeral. Baltar's body was fragile in my hands."

* ''[[Laura Roslin]] about [[Lee Adama]] and his understanding of politics:''
:'''Roslin:''' Lee has no idea. He really has no idea. [...] There are pragmatic realities he refuses to face.
:'''William Adama:''' Well, that's a problem of course. He'd say what he thinks is right.
:'''Roslin:''' Well yeah. He is Lee. Thing is, it probably is the right thing, but...sometimes the right thing is a luxury. And it can have profoundly dangerous consequences. And it's almost as if he doesn't want that to be true.

* ''[[Gaius Baltar]] speaks to his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]]:''
:"I am not a priest. I've never even been a particularly good man. I am in fact a profoundly selfish man. But that doesn't matter, you see. Something in the universe loves me. (smiles) Something in the universe loves the entity that is me. I would choose to call this something "God", a singular spark that dwells in the soul of every living being. If you look inside yourself you will find that spark too. You will. But you have to look deep. Love your faults. Embrace them. If God embraces them, then how can they be faults? Love yourself. You have to love yourself. If we don't love ourselves, how can we love others? And when we know what we are, then we can find the truth out about others, seek what they are; the truth about them. And you know what the truth is? The truth about them? About you? About me? Do you? The truth is, we're all perfect. Just as we are. God only loves that which is perfect and he loves you. He loves you because you are perfect. You are perfect. Just as you are."

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as "[[Virtual beings#Saul Tigh's Virtual Ellen|Virtual Ellen]]"
* [[Don Thompson]] as [[Anthony Figurski]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Donna Soares]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Gemenon Delegate|Gemenon Delegate]] (credited as "Speaking Delegate #1")
* [[Iris Paluly]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Tauron Delegate #1|Tauron Delegate]] (credited as "Speaking Delegate #2")
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Heather Doerksen]] as Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]] (credited as "Surveillance Marine")
* [[Laara Sadiq]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Priestess|Priestess]]
* [[Karen Austin]] as [[Lilly]]
* [[Steve Lawlor]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine guard|Marine at Baltar's]]
* [[Hector Johnson]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Marine Lieutenant]]
* [[Lee Jefferies]] as [[Redwing|"Redwing" McKay]]
* [[Rob Hayter]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Sons of Ares leader|Sons of Ares leader]] (uncredited)
* Unknown as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#"Mr. Officious"|"Mr. Officious"]] (uncredited)

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=246

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== Overview ==

:''The cancer-stricken President [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] and hotheaded pilot [[Kara Thrace|Kara Thrace]] both must make difficult leaps of faith in order to accept an uneasy alliance with the Cylons.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

*Angry and defiant at [[Karl Agathon|Karl Agathon]]'s refusal to [[The Road Less Traveled|obey orders]] to travel to a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], [[Kara Thrace|Kara Thrace]] attempts to jump the ship herself when [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] restrains her.
*Agathon orders [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to jump the ship back to ''Galactica''. [[Samuel Anders|Samuel Anders]] points out that they will be returning as mutineers, but Agathon responds that Admiral Adama will sort things out.
*Anders intervenes with a sidearm, shooting Gaeta in the leg to stop him from following Agathon's order to jump back to the Fleet. Chaos ensues as Marines arrive.
*Everyone stands down as Gaeta is attended to, in severe pain from a leg wound.
*Realizing that taking the ''[[Demetrius|Demetrius]]'' itself to the baseship would be too great a risk, Thrace rescinds her original order, suggesting to fly their only [[Raptor|Raptor]] to the baseship with Athena and Anders as crew, taking [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben Conoy]] with them. Agathon initially objects but realizes it's the best compromise. He tells her that she has only 15 hours to complete her mission before the ''Demetrius'' must jump to rendezvous with the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] or be left behind.

=== Act 1 ===

*[[Tory Foster|Tory Foster]] is packing things up on ''[[Colonial One|Colonial One]]''. [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] is at her desk, bald and not wearing her wig. She tells Foster to keep things going as she finishes the last two [[Doloxan]] treatments, where she'll be on ''[[Galactica|Galactica]]'' and indisposed during that time. Roslin tries to encourage Foster to watch out for sudden moves by the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]].
*On day 58 of their mission, the crew prepares the Raptor. Athena promises to work with Thrace as does [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]], who appreciates Thrace's strong reputation.
*The Raptor jumps and finds a massive graveyard of dead baseships and [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] floating dead in space. Thrace is amazed. They are by a large gas giant in a trinary star system, just as her visions suggested.
*On the ''Demetrius'', Gaeta is heavily medicated with [[Morpha|morpha]] for the pain. He asks Agathon not to have Dr. [[Cottle|Cottle]] amputate his leg, as he realizes that the longer he doesn't get advanced care, the more likely [[:w:gangrene|gangrene]] will set in.
*The Raptor carefully searches for the baseship amidst the exploding ordnance. Thrace can hear "music" (Leoben confirms this is a rare trait among some Cylons as well) and takes control to fly the Raptor towards the gas giant. She sees the comet she expected, but not in the form; Leoben's stricken baseship is flying past, trailing gas that gives it a comet-like appearance.
*When approaching the baseship, the Raptor is hit by a piece of debris hurtled at them from an explosion and impacting the cockpit canopy.

=== Act 2 ===

[[Image:408 showdown.jpg|thumb|Natalie attempts to defuse the situation...]]

*Thrace awakens to find the Raptor safely landed within the baseship interior.

*Athena arrives to find herself surrounded by an army of other [[Number Eight|Number Eights]], who recognize her independence from all things Cylon. They ask her to help mutiny against the [[Number Six|Sixes]], whom they feel have been making a series of mistakes. Athena rejects them, telling them to find their own individuality and help her or get out of her way.
*In sickbay, amidst [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]'s voice on [[Wireless|wireless]] discussing his [[God (RDM)|God]], Roslin encounters a woman in [[Sickbay|sickbay]], [[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]], who is gravely ill with cancer as well. When Roslin tries to turn off the wireless and Baltar, the woman becomes very upset and yells for Roslin to leave.
*Thrace's meeting with the surviving leaders of the baseship does not go well, but Leoben succeeds in convincing [[Natalie|Natalie]] that they must work together.
*Athena accesses the [[Datastream|datastream]] to determine how to mate the Raptor's jump drive to the baseship. Doing so requires disconnecting the Hybrid. As the group preps, Anders slowly reaches down to touch the [[Data-font|data-font]] but pulls his hand back when Thrace calls his name.
*A Six sees [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]] and recognizes her as the human who killed her on [[New Caprica|New Caprica]]. When Barolay doesn't show any remorse and says she would do the same again, the Six attacks her and smashes her head into the Raptor's hull, which kills Barolay. Anders pounces on the Six and is ready to kill the Cylon when Thrace manages to talk him down.
*The Six that killed Barolay speaks to Natalie, obviously dealing with psychological trauma from the death on New Caprica that she had not been able to shake. After kissing the distraught Six, Natalie grabs Anders's hand and pulls the trigger on his gun, killing the Six permanently as there is no [[Resurrection Ship|Resurrection Ship]] nearby, carrying out a form of justice for the Colonials, who are shocked.
*Roslin meets again with Emily Kowalski, who gives her a scarf, a present. The two make small talk of what they will do after they get well. She warns Roslin that her sickness will get worse and to be prepared.

=== Act 3 ===

*Thrace arrives in the Hybrid's chamber, who seems to ignore her, discussing ship functions but repeating one phrase in particular.[[Image:408 unplugging the hybrid.jpg|thumb|Agathon unplugs the Hybrid after it delivers its prophecy to Thrace.]]

*In sickbay, Emily Kowalski tells Roslin why she listens to Baltar. After speaking to Cottle, she tells of a dream where she saw people standing on the opposite side of a river: dead loved ones. She felt a presence, a warm loving presence that calmed her. Roslin questions the dream but Emily notes that the dream is real.

*Thrace and Natalie continue to listen to the [[Hybrid utterances|Hybrid's utterances]]. Leoben instructs Thrace to listen carefully, not to hurry the construct.

*Athena is ready to activate the jump augmentations and disconnect the Hybrid. Irritated at getting nowhere with the Hybrid, Thrace orders the jump.
*When it is unplugged, the Hybrid makes an inhuman scream, which causes a guarding [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurion]] (still in [[Telencephalic inhibitor|sentient mode]]) to fire in defense, severely wounding an Eight before the group manages to take the Centurion down.

*The Hybrid gives Thrace a coherent message as the Eight's blood mixes with the fluid in her tank: The dying leader will discover the truth about the [[Opera House|Opera House]], the missing Three will be used to find the Five, who come from the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], and that she, Thrace, is the harbinger of death that will take all to their end. Thrace is horrified at the message. The Hybrid then deactivates.

*Kowalski and Roslin continue to discuss the authenticity of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] and Baltar's God. Roslin becomes upset when she talks of her mother's death from cancer and the striking lack of anything noble or calming at that moment. As Kowalski tries to comfort her, the woman suddenly has a violent seizure of pain. Cottle arrives with medication, but tells Roslin that there's not much they can do for Kowalski now.

=== Act 4 ===

*As the group waits, the dying Eight speaks to Athena, who reaches out for her, but hesitates when she wants to touch her hand. Anders steps in to tenderly comfort the Cylon as she dies, astonished at how similar she is to a human.

*The group deciphers the Hybrid's message. All come to the conclusion that the final five Cylons came from the Thirteenth Tribe and so must also know the way to Earth. The boxed [[Number Three|Number Threes]] will lead them to the Final Five. Anders is unnerved by the conversation, likely fearing the exposure of his Cylon identity. The group leave to meet the ''Demetrius'', with Anders leaving last, still puzzled that he is drawn to help the Eight.

*Kowalski's vision of a river comes to pass in a dream Roslin experiences. The two stand on a boat, looking at a shore where human figures begin to appear, smiling and waving at Kowalski. Kowalski disappears to meet them, materializing on the shore. Roslin feels joy, then sees her own mother, smiling and waiting for Roslin to join her. She tells her she is not yet ready, stepping away from the boat's side, as the dream ends.

*Awakening from her dream, Roslin goes to see Kowalski but finds her bed empty. She died some time while she slept. Only her wireless receiver remains, still switched on.

*''Demetrius'' is prepping to leave as seconds count down but Agathon lets the clock run over in hesitation and to the crew's apprehension. Seconds before he is about to order the jump, the baseship arrives and broadcasts Colonial ID. Wireless contact is established with Athena, who reports that the baseship has been secured, much to Agathon's relief, and both ships prepare to join ''Galactica'' and the fleet.

*On ''Galactica'', Roslin meets with [[William Adama|William Adama]] in his quarters. She tells him that something may be truthful in Baltar's words, but Adama is reluctant. A sorrowful Adama talks of Thrace's death and return, [[Lee Adama|his son's]] [[Crossroads, Part I|resignation from the military]], and laments all the crew he sent with Thrace, wondering if he will see them again. But Roslin comforts him. The two smile as Adama tells her that Roslin helped him to believe that they really will find Earth.

== Notes ==

[[Image:Roslin's mother.jpg|thumb|Roslin's mother.]]

*Baltar's wireless broadcast contains a number of phrases from the "To be or not to be" soliloquy of [[:w:Hamlet|Hamlet]], including "shuffle off this mortal coil," and "the undiscover'd country, from whose bourn no traveler returns." These phrases refer to death and the afterlife, respectively. The full text of the soliloquy can be found [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Hamlet%2C_Prince_of_Denmark/Act_3 here].
*Meanwhile, the Hybrid's repeated speech borrows text from the Biblical book of Jeremiah, chapter 31, verses 13 to 17.
*The comet/drifting baseship bears a visual resemblance to the [[Ship of Lights|Ship of Lights]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], both in the painting and reality.
*This episode marks the third time Laura Roslin discusses her family in any detail, and the first time viewers see an image of [[Roslin's mother|Roslin's mother]]. (The first mention, also involving her mother's fight with cancer, was in "[[Act of Contrition|Act of Contrition]]" in Season 1.)

== Analysis ==

=== General ===

*Some of the writers' misdirection from "[[He That Believeth in Me|He That Believeth in Me]]" becomes clear. The "giant gas planet with rings," assumed to be [[:w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[:w:Saturn|Saturn]], is revealed to be at the site of the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon battle]]. Moreover, the comet is a damaged and drifting basestar. This also explains how Conoy was able to help Thrace paint the scene in the previous episode, since he had already witnessed it himself.
*A close-up of Kara Thrace in the Hybrid's chamber evokes the [[Eye of Jupiter|Eye of Jupiter]], with Thrace's blue eye at the center, ringed by her bloodied eyebrow and blonde hair.
* The light pattern as the raptor jumps to the basestar also resembles the mandala.
*With its inhibitor removed, the Centurion in the Hybrid's chamber seems visibly more aware of its environment. It turns its head to gaze at each member of the group as they enter, and again at Thrace as she questions the Hybrid. This contrasts with what was seen previously, when Centurions on guard duty simply stand immobile unless they perceive a threat, or are given a direct order.
*[[Jean Barolay|Barolay]]'s sudden death after the Six attacks her indicates that the Six's blows and delivered concussions caused internal bleeding into Barolay's brain.
*The importance of physical touching in Cylon culture is exhibited in this episode, especially how Cylons interact among their own specific models. For example, before Natalie executes the Six who murdered Barolay, they kiss each other. When the Eight who was shot by the Centurion is dying, she asks for Athena's forgiveness in her attempt to lead a mutiny, and stretches out her hand to touch Athena's. However, Athena refuses, and Anders steps in to provide that sense of touch before she dies. This interaction amongst the models within their own model number may be a reflection of being "with each other," especially in times of certain death. Something like this was seen earlier in "[[A Measure of Salvation|A Measure of Salvation]]", where the dying Cylons aboard the stricken basestar link hands in prayer.
*Jean Barolay dies without ever learning that her longtime associate Sam Anders is a Cylon.

=== Religion ===

*Even though Baltar is preaching for the "one true [[God (RDM)|God]]," the symbolism of a boat crossing a river to the land of the dead is very similar to the Greek legends involving the [[:w:Styx|River Styx]]. It can be expected that Baltar borrows some of his teachings from an established religion that people are familiar with. This in part parallels the rise of Christianity, which expressed some of its ideas through the existing cultural forms of the established Roman polytheistic religions.
*Emily Kowalski's description of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] and their behavior is quite consistent with that of Greek mythology.
*When speaking of her mother's death, Laura Roslin mentions the [[:w:Elysium|Fields of Elysium]], a portion of the Greek underworld where heroic or virtuous souls end up after death that bears a resemblance to heaven in Christianity. It appears that the Colonials view of the afterlife is almost identical to that of the ancient Greeks.
*Roslin believes that the Lords of Kobol are not to be taken seriously but are metaphors. Roslin's mother took them more literally. This mirrors real life in which some people take the Jewish [[:w:Torah|Torah]] ([[:w:Old_Testament|Old Testament]]), the Christian Bible ([[:w:New_Testament|New Testament]]) and the Islamic [[:w:Koran|Koran]] as literal word for word truth and an accurate record of events, while others believe the stories are metaphors to be used as guidelines in life, but not hard pronouncements or actual history.
*The [[Hybrid utterances|hybrid utterance]] "All these things at once and many more, not because it wishes harm, because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly." appears to be a paraphrase of a line from the [[:w:Theosophy|theosophical]] text "[[:w:At_the_Feet_of_the_Master|At the Feet of the Master]]"

=== Characters ===

*The Eights' attempt to recruit Athena to lead a mutiny against the Sixes and presumably the Twos reveal an apparent character flaw that is prevalent amongst this particular model. Their allegiances and loyalty to a cause are not as strong as their fellow Cylon models, should those ties and beliefs cause suffering or death.
**This is also a somewhat ironic twist, as Athena and others aboard the ''Demetrius'' were encouraging Karl Agathon to initiate their own mutiny against Thrace just hours earlier. However, Athena is likely referring to her allegiance to the Colonials as a whole, which has not diminished.
*While the Sixes and the Twos are willing to initiate the search for the Final Five because of their specific strong religious beliefs, the Eights apparently join them not because of a desire in unraveling the mystery, so much as because it grants them the opportunity to say "no" to their programming.
*Though the word "faith" is never explicitly spoken throughout the episode, multiple allusions to the idea of trust are provided through the characters' interactions with each other. This is especially evident in the multiple times the phrase "...with you" appears in the dialog. When the Eight that is shot by the Centurion is dying, Anders holds her arm and tells her that he is with her. When Roslin and Adama speak with each other, Roslin tells Adama, after he pours out his feelings of uncertainty and doubt, that she is with him.
*Athena also shows deep conflict within herself in this episode in regards to her nature as a Cylon as seen in multiple scenes. Conoy's words to her about how their trip is a "homecoming" for Athena causes an immediate response. Later, when the Eights touch her and attempt to recruit her, she expresses disgust with them, but possibly including herself. Her declaration of choosing a side and sticking to it may be something she needs to hear more than they do. When Anders takes out his gun to execute the Six, it is Athena who also takes out her gun to defend the "human" and refers to herself as a human. Finally, her refusal to hold the dying Eight's hand shows a reluctance of being seen as a Cylon and that she is not with them.

== Questions ==

*Are the Centurions capable of getting an IFF signal from a humanoid Cylon, like a Raider does? Could one have exposed Anders if he had made direct eye contact?
*What does the Hybrid's statement that the five come from the home of the thirteenth mean? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion|Answer]])
**Were they made on Earth, the home of the thirteenth tribe? Or did they voyage to Earth from Cylon/Colonial space and then return? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
**Does "the thirteenth" refer to "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]" mentioned in "[[The Eye of Jupiter|The Eye of Jupiter]]", to whom the [[Temple of Five|Temple of Five]] was dedicated?
*Will Thrace tell anyone about the Hybrid calling her "the harbinger of death"? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion|Answer]]) Does anyone else hear the Hybrid's words to her?
*Will Helo and the others have to answer for their mutiny?
*How will Gaeta's injury affect his duties? Will his leg be amputated? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*What would have happened if Anders had put his hand in the [[Data-font|data-font]]? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Analysis|Answer]])
*Why should the Cylons have any trouble figuring out the Raptor's FTL system? They have previously used Raptors ([[Torn|Torn]]).
*Why are the Raiders' FTL systems unsuitable?
*How will the Fleet respond when the ''Demetrius'' returns with the shipwrecked basestar in tow? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*Without Natalie's help, would Anders have been able to pull the trigger to execute the Six?
*Does the revelation that the Final Five are from Earth and can lead the fleet to it encourage the hidden Four to reveal themselves? ([[Revelations|Possible Answer]])
*How will the Cylon rebels unbox the Threes? ([[The Hub|Answer]])
*Is Natalie's baseship the last place where there are Sixs, Twos, and Eights?
*Why did the Cavils' forces leave one baseship largely intact? ([[Talk:Battle_of_the_Trinary_Star_System#Rebel_Basestar|Possible Answer]])
*Will Barolay's death, despite the execution of the Six, affect the truce amongst the Colonials once they discover that two from the ''Demetrius'' mission are dead?
*Is Conoy the only Two left amongst the Cylon rebels? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*Why is Athena chosen to speak to the ''Demetrius'', given that another Eight could easily impersonate her?
*Are the baseship's crew all that remain of the Cylon rebels, or are there other survivors elsewhere?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Nana Visitor]] discusses her experiences while filming this episode:'''
: It was real acting, like I hadn't done for a while, and [it had] real writing. I loved it. I was very impressed all the way around. I though it was a great show. [...] I was on the set for maybe four or five days, or something like that, and it was a real rough set. You felt the world of ''Battlestar Galactica'' being very rough, and every set was dark, and it was tough. It was a whole different atmosphere.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.syfyportal.com/news425244.html|title=SyFy Portal: Nana Visitor Says 'Battlestar Galactica' World Rough|date=23 July 2008|accessdate=23 July 2008|last=Hinman|first=Michael|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''An [[Eight|Eight]] discussing mutiny with [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon Agathon]]:''

:'''Sharon Agathon:''' You guys make me sick.
:'''Eight:''' Why?
:'''Agathon:''' Because you pick your side and you stick. You don't cut and run when things get ugly. Otherwise you'll never have anything. No love. No family. No life to call your own.

*''[[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]] and [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] discuss the [[Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]]:''

:'''Emily Kowalski:''' Oh, Laura. And the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] are real? Reigning from a metaphysical mountaintop in those silly outfits? [[Zeus|Zeus]]? Handing out fates out of an urn like they were lottery tickets? 'You're gonna work on a [[Tylium|tylium]] ship. You're gonna be an admiral. Your family's gonna be evaporated in [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|an attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]] but you'll survive for three more years on a moldy compartment on a freighter 'til your body starts to eat itself up alive.' Those are the gods that you worship? Capricious, vindictive...
:'''Laura Roslin:''' But they're not meant to be taken literally. They're metaphors, Emily.
:'''Kowalski:''' I don't need metaphors. I need answers.

*''Laura Roslin on her mother's death:''

:"You're like my mother. She wasn't satisfied with metaphors either. She was convinced that [[Aphrodite]] herself was gonna swoop her away when she died. And she believed it even when the [[Doloxan]] and the radiation failed to stop her cancer. She was a teacher! She was... oh, she was something to behold. And the head of a classroom. And her students (starts crying) Her students loved her. They'd walk through fire for her and then they see this woman who seemed so eternal. She withered away and I find myself having to change her diaper because she couldn't even— At the moment she died there was no gleaming fields of Elysium stretched out before her. There was this dark, black abyss. And she was terrified. She was so scared."

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]
*[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
*[[Nana Visitor]] as [[Emily Kowalski]]
*[[Alana Husband]] as Nurse [[Sashon]]
*[[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[Tattooed pilot|tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)
*Uncredited as [[Roslin's mother|Roslin's mother]]

== References ==
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== External Links ==

*Composer [[Bear McCreary|Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=313]

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Talk:Battle of the Trinary Star System/Archive 1

2011-07-14T01:04:04Z

Dogger55: /* Rebel Basestar */

== Rebel Basestar ==

Okay so how the HELL did the Rebel Basestar survive this battle???--[[User:WarGrowlmon15|WarGrowlmon15]] 23:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

*With the Resurrection Ship out of range, the Cavils were at risk of permanent death in this battle. They certainly took steps to avoid dying themselves. Although they immediately took out the FTL drives, the defenders likely had some weapons batteries and raiders left for defense. The Cavils may have deployed all of their weapons at once and jumped away without waiting to verify the outcome, or they may have pounded the defenders until the survivor began returning fire, and jumped away at that point. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 20:58, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Battle of the Trinary Star System/Archive 1

2011-07-14T00:58:28Z

Dogger55: /* Rebel Basestar */

== Rebel Basestar ==

Okay so how the HELL did the Rebel Basestar survive this battle???--[[User:WarGrowlmon15|WarGrowlmon15]] 23:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

*With the Resurrection Ship out of range, the Cavils were at risk of permanent death in this battle. They certainly took steps to avoid dying themselves. Although they immediately took out the FTL drives, the defenders still had their weapons batteries and raiders. The Cavils may have deployed all of their weapons at once and jumped away without waiting to verify the outcome, or they may have pounded the defenders until the survivor began returning fire, and jumped away at that point. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 20:58, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

Escape Velocity

2011-07-12T23:15:15Z

Dogger55: /* Notes */ deleted meaningless comment

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== Overview ==
: ''Religious freedom is debated and defended as the messianic [[Gaius Baltar]] promotes his belief in one true [[God (RDM)|God]]. Meanwhile, [[Galen Tyrol]] tries to cope with the death of his [[Callandra Tyrol|wife]] and fails.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

* In a makeshift [[temple]] aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', [[Galen Tyrol]] performs a ritual commemoration ceremony in the memory of his wife, [[Callandra Tyrol|Callandra Henderson Tyrol]]. In attendance are [[Laura Roslin]], Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]], Delegate [[Lee Adama]], [[Tory Foster]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] and [[Anthony Figurski]].
* After the priest ends the service, Roslin (wearing a wig) tells Adama that she likes the ceremony, insinuating that she wants Adama to perform the same service for her when she dies.
* Tyrol is given condolences by people as they leave the temple. Foster asks Roslin why they have to do "these things at dawn", to which Roslin replies that they have to.
* After Roslin gives her condolences, Tyrol grabs a hold of both Foster and Tigh, who hastily offer their condolences. As they walk out, they complain that Tyrol almost attracted attention to themselves.
* Delegate Adama offers his condolences as Tyrol stares off after Foster and Tigh; Adama leaves without a response from Tyrol.
* Tigh enters the surveillance room adjoining [[Caprica-Six]]'s brig. The Marines inform him that she continues her same routine. When broaching the topic of how Six doesn't go nuts, the [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Blonde female Marine|female Marine]] replies that she probably turns off her brain, prompting interest from Tigh.
* Tigh enters the brig, informing Six that her request to see [[Hera Agathon]] has been denied. Six notes that Tigh already told her this, and asks what else he wants from her. During the discussion, Tigh sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in place of Six. Tigh, unsure of what to make of it, tells Six to stay back from him. Six notes that he visits her every day, but doesn't ask questions any more. Tigh leaves, with her saying that she'll see him tomorrow.
* In his quarters, Tyrol sits while [[Nicholas Tyrol]] cries. Foster and Tigh gruffly admonish Tyrol for his behavior at the service.
* Tigh inquires after the baby. Tyrol notes that Nicholas probably needs to be changed; Tigh goes about doing so.
* Foster asks Tyrol if he believes Cally killed herself because of him. Tyrol brings up the alleged affair between them, to which Foster replies that they didn't have one. Tyrol voices his concerns over which of his memories were real, and whether or not there was ever an action in his life that wasn't programmed. Foster espouses what, according to Tigh, is "[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s crap" when she tells Tyrol that they, as [[humanoid Cylons|Cylons]], don't need guilt since they are perfect. Tigh, on the other hand, believes that Tyrol is feeling what men feel after the death of a loved one. Tigh continues by telling Tyrol that he'll see Cally every day, while referencing his own experience of [[Torn|hearing]] and [[Virtual Ellen|seeing]] his dead wife. Tigh finishes by saying that Tyrol feels what he needs to feel, but not at the expense of being outed as Cylons, while Foster says to think about what they are and embrace their Cylon attributes.

=== Act 1 ===

* [[Tory Foster]] visits [[Gaius Baltar]] in the commune. There, she wakes Baltar by pulling out a hair on his head. Baltar replies "Gods", which Foster questions. She continues by plucking another hair off of Baltar's head, asking about how he was feeling. He replies that it was an intense feeling. She then massages his crotch, then while doing so, plucks out another hair on his head. She asks if the signals of pain and pleasure get crossed, which Baltar replies in the affirmative. As Baltar tries to leave, Foster forces Baltar down on the bed. After noting her strength, she begins to engage in foreplay, running her tongue across his cheek.
* As she babbles on about her beliefs about "pain turning into pleasure" and the like (much to Baltar's testicular displeasure), members of the [[Sons of Ares]] begin their march towards the commune. Their attack on the commune begins by throwing a smoke grenade, which allows them to enter the commune and attack Baltar's cultists with near impunity, painting graffiti and wreaking havoc. They quickly try to find Baltar, but they know they have two minutes to do so before they can expect some kind of military response. At the one minute mark, an announcement over the PA announces a security alert on deck eight, section fourteen.
* During these two minutes, Baltar hides himself behind a support beam near the ceiling. After the attack, Foster looks up at him as the Sons of Ares people clear out of the commune, vowing to find Baltar.
* In the [[hangar bay]], [[Galen Tyrol]] is repairing the [[ECO]] console on [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]'s [[Raptor]]. Deckhand [[Anthony Figurski]] asks if Tyrol is almost done, Tyrol replies that he just has one more relay, which his hands have a problem in reaching. During this, he has flashbacks of Cally, including one where Cally helps him out during the construction of the [[Blackbird]].
* Tyrol's flashback of his [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|beating of Cally after his suicidal nightmare]] is interrupted by Edmondson, who asks if he's done with his repairs. Pocketing a fuse, he morosely replies that he's done.
* Edmondson and [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]] launch to the departing waves of crew members on the deck. They join up with a [[CAP|combat air patrol]] led by [[Redwing|Paolo "Redwing" McKay]], who teases them for driving "a school bus". Edmondson counters by comparing the Vipers to bicycles, to which Redwing replies that the Vipers are race cars.
* When Edmondson throttles up, she loses control of the Raptor's port lower rear [[RCS]] thruster. She requests an emergency landing and struggles to bring the Raptor back to the port landing pod deck, but they crash-land, with flaming wreckage colliding with a [[landram]].
* Meanwhile, Baltar is chastising "[[Mr. Officious]]" for his lack of speed in finding out who their attackers are. [[Virtual Six]] prompts him to look at the painted graffiti in the wall, which is written in old text. He reads it, discovering that his attackers were from the Sons of Ares. He asks about their motivations, to which Six replies that "[[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|old Gods]] die hard even among your people". He sees Six next to a woman, whose name he believes starts with an "M", until she corrects him: her name is [[Lilly]]. Baltar discovers a religious artifact belonging to [[Asclepius]] in her hand, which she prays to. She claims that she believes that Baltar will heal their people, but still has belief in Asclepius. Six then adds that the "Gods are fighting back".
* In the hangar bay, Tyrol and Figurski are looking over the remains of the Raptor, whose relays are still hot. When checking under the ECO console, Tyrol discovers the burnt-out fuse he neglected to replace, discovering the replacement in his shirt's pocket. He admits that the crash was his fault.
* McCall angrily confronts Tyrol, but is interdicted by Edmondson, who attempts to defuse the situation. McCall concedes that it's all right, and that no one got hurt. Tyrol presses on however, saying that he doesn't need to be "patted on the head" and that its all right if people told him that he [[frak|frakked up]]. He becomes more vocal when Edmondson mentions that "he's only human", but she walks away and no one else comments. He calls them all "cowards".
* Figurski offers to finish looking over the Raptor. In reply, Tyrol tells Figurski to get out of the ship.
* As Baltar looks at the pendant for Asclepius, Virtual Six tells him that people have room for only one great belief, either him or the Gods. Despite Baltar's misgivings about one man standing up to the old Gods, Six convinces him that such a man who does would surely be magnificent. Inspired by this, Baltar tells his members that they have been targeted because of what they believe in, and urges them to take a stand against Gods that have no relevance in their world.
* Baltar then leaves, with [[Jeanne]] and the others following.
* Baltar enters the temple, where the priest is performing a service. He interrupts the ceremony despite the priest's attempts to stop him. Baltar begins asking the parishioners who they serve, blaspheming [[Zeus]] by calling him a "serial rapist" and pointing out the absurdity of giving birth through one's forehead. The priest confronts him, but Baltar calls her an "ignorant witch" and continues discussing the so-called Gods, including how Asclepius heals with the blood of a [[Gorgon]], in addition to the other "invented rubbish" as he vandalizes the temple.
* As his other cultists follow his example, Marines storm the temple and forcibly extricate Baltar as the polytheists in the temple try to attack him, yelling out demands to "burn him".

=== Act 2 ===

* [[William Adama]] visits [[Laura Roslin]] in [[sickbay]] after her blood test. He's brought a different book to read named ''[[Searider Falcon]]'', a classic novel. Roslin comments that she hasn't read it in years, and Adama confesses that he's never finished the book, since he finds the book too good to finish, and is saving the ending. She suggests that she should also do that, but after an awkward realization shared between the two, she corrects herself.
* After Adama offers to take her bag, he notes that "[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s back at home in the brig again". Roslin believes that Baltar's desecration of the temple was revenge for what happened to his commune that morning. Adama replies that he has people looking into the brutal attack on Baltar's cult, but no one is talking about the [[Sons of Ares]]. She replies that Baltar's knowingly provoking the hard-line religious groups from [[Dogsville]], and they agree that they can't have a religious fight in the [[the Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Further, they both agree that Baltar is the crux of the problem, as he has an "uncanny way of stirring up all the crap". They discuss the various options, including locking him away for his own safety to removing him from ''Galactica''. However, Roslin has a better idea and goes to the brig so that Baltar can see her.
* Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] visits [[Caprica-Six]] in the brig. She notes that he didn't even make it to tomorrow. Tigh reveals that he does want something, and asks her how it feels to have the blood of billions of human beings on her hands. She replies that she cannot help but to feel it. Tigh orders the Marines to aim their weapons at her.
* On the hangar deck, Tyrol is welding as Figurski walks by and asks him if he woke up early or never went to sleep. Tyrol doesn't reply and Figurski walks off. After this, Tyrol simply walks off the job, throwing his welder's mask and gloves upon the floor.
* In the brig, Six tells Tigh that she is just as human as he is. During the conversation, he sees [[Ellen Tigh]] in Six's place, and asks her how she deals with the pain. She doesn't answer and Tigh tells the Marines to step outside. After the Marines do so, he tells her that she has nothing to offer him and that she is the same as the rest of the Cylons.
* Also in a brig, Baltar is awakened by Roslin. After Baltar makes a quip about her strip searching him, she tells him that his situation is being looked into "aggressively". She tells him that she is wearing a wig and dying from cancer, but she doesn't want his pity and is still doing her job. She assures him that she's aggressively looking into the men that attacked him. However, there is a caveat to this: she tells him that she wants a quiet little death, and insinuates that Baltar give up his crusade quietly, as she has neither the time nor the patience to indulge him.
* Roslin leaves, telling Baltar that he's being released and to stay safe.
* In [[Joe's Bar]], Adama joins Tyrol at the bar. Adama tells Tyrol that the deck crew misses him and tells him that if he needs time off, or if he wants to work more shifts, all he need to is ask. Tyrol replies that he doesn't need special treatment. In reply, Tyrol hallucinates Adama receiving a shot of alcohol and this reply: "I guess it was just more than she could take, huh? Being married to a Cylon who made her the mother to a half-breed abomination."
* The hallucination ends when Adama gets his drink and comments that Cally was a good woman. Tyrol replies that had Adama really thought that, he wouldn't have threatened to stick her up against a bulkhead and have her shot. Despite Adama's efforts to move their conversation somewhere else, Tyrol then goes into a tirade about how he was stuck with the best of limited options, describing Cally as a "shriek" with "dull, vacant eyes" and a "cabbage smell". He tells Adama that he is sick of his life, a life that he did not choose, and hating to find out that those they really loved were dead, dying, or were Cylons. He pines on his love of [[Sharon Valerii]], and notes that because he tried to stick his head in the sand, he married Cally. He tells her that she was no angel, but notes that Adama has already made her into one. He tells Adama that they are not in the same club, since he never asked the right questions.
* Adama gives him a last chance to recant, but Tyrol refuses, daring Adama to demote him and get him off the ship. Challenged, Adama does so, and orders Specialist Tyrol to report to a petty officer to get reassigned, since Tyrol is a danger to others.
* Adama leaves, while Tyrol slowly collapses into his stool at the bar.

=== Act 3 ===

* On ''[[Colonial One]]'' during a [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting, [[Lee Adama]] argues with President Roslin over an emergency measure limiting the size of Baltar's groups so they don't provoke attacks from fundamentalist groups, steadfastly contending that "where ever Baltar is, violence happens", and assures Adama and other delgates that her goal is to keep the people safe from harm by preventing such violence. However, Lee's objections are supported by fellow Quorum members, such as [[Reza Chronides]], who are concerned that the emergency measure that Roslin "bulldozed through" may be used against other religious groups, such as the [[Mithraism|Mithraists]]. Roslin assures people that this won't happen, and the emergency measure was enacted because [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] is a special case, a claim that Lee rebukes by saying that they're making him a special case. During the conversation, [[Tory Foster]] remains silent, but is visibly concerned.
* Despite Lee's assertion that Baltar is not preaching violence and other amoral acts, and objections by the delegates, Roslin tells them to clear their heads and urges the people to remember the tragedy they experienced on [[New Caprica]]. Chronides pointedly asks if Roslin will open the resolution for a full discussion amongst the Quorum, which Roslin quickly and vehemently refuses to do.
* Lee responds by noting that the Quorum can override Roslin, and notes that he's willing to do so since he believes the resolution cannot stand.
* Incensed by this, Roslin replies with rhetoric: should they overturn her decision, the people would win, but at what cost? She implores them to remember what happened when Baltar held political power, and saying they should be terrified at the prospect of Baltar regaining such power again, even through Baltar's cult.
* In the brig, [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] watches [[Caprica-Six|Six]] as she sleeps. He believes he's seeing Ellen. When she awakens, Six asks if she should get familiar to waking up to Tigh's face. She notes the lack of a Marine escort. Tigh tells her that it is an informal chat between them, to which she astutely replies that they're also being watched. Tigh tells her that she hasn't answered his question. She replies that she wants the pain and learns from it. She mentions how she fell in love with Baltar, and understood that she wouldn't have him forever. She continues to discuss Baltar, which breaks Tigh out of his illusion of seeing Ellen. He angrily reacts to this, saying that he refuses to hear about "Gaius Frakking Baltar" and leaves the brig. He enters the adjoining surveillance room to dismiss the Marines and deactivate the surveillance equipment.
* Tigh reenters the brig, where he is prompted with an offer by Six to help him turn off the pain. She reveals that she learns from the pain, the guilt, and she claims that she's found clarity and wisdom from these things. Tigh sits on the cot with her, where he is told how the humanoid Cylon brain is patterned after the human brain, where she claims that the Cylons have learned things about the human mind that the humans themselves are unaware of.
* Six, who Tigh now sees as Ellen, removes his eye patch and offers to give him clarity.
* Baltar and his cultists proceed to the commune, but are stopped by a Marine who tells him of Roslin's emergency measure, [[Emergency Provision 17]], and that no group larger than twelve can be assembled at any time. Baltar insists that he lives in the commune, but the marine will have none of it, even when [[Paulla Schaffer]] offers to leave and allow Baltar to enter. When Baltar tries to make his way into the commune at the urging of his Virtual Six, he is beaten back by the Marine and begins to spit out blood from his mouth.

=== Act 4 ===

* In the brig, [[Saul Tigh]] tells [[Caprica-Six]] to get her hands off him. She punches him, throwing him from the cot. She then jumps on him and begins punishing him in the face, enjoying it in the process. After this, she asks him if he feels the pain, and the clarity that comes with it. When he does not reply, she continues to punch him.
* [[Virtual Six]] convinces [[Gaius Baltar]] to continue to defy the Marine, assuring him that the gains for doing so outweigh the initial costs. He does so, and is repeatedly beaten back to the ground in front of his followers every time he takes a move towards the commune. "Aided" by his virtual Six, Baltar gets up and continues this action, until Lee Adama arrives with a [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Marine lieutenant]]. He informs them that the provision has been rescinded and right for full public assembly is restored.
* [[Tracey Anne]], [[Jeanne]] and [[Paulla Schaffer]] rush out to help Baltar into the commune. Before entering the commune, Baltar thanks Adama for helping him. Adama replies that he doesn't know why he does these things for Baltar. Baltar says that Adama does such things because "your God compels you".
* In [[sickbay]], [[Laura Roslin]] tells [[William Adama]] (who is holding ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' in his hand) that Lee has no idea of what he's doing, believing that there are "pragmatic realities" that Lee refuses to face. Adama agrees to this, saying that Lee's only doing what he thinks is right. Roslin does agree to that, but says that "sometimes the right thing is a luxury" and has its own set of dangerous consequences that Lee doesn't want to be true. She stops herself from continuing, since she realizes that shouldn't get upset during her [[Doloxan]] treatment.
* Adama tells her that he's about to get into the part of the book he hasn't read yet and, when asked if he can continue, Adama starts reading. Roslin goes to sleep and Adama continues from the reading, despite having closed the book and apparently knowing the words by rote.
* In the brig, a beaten Tigh begs to Six to continue her assault. However, she changes tactics, saying that being beaten is not what he needs. She then kisses him.
* In the commune, Baltar makes his speech where he notes that while he isn't a perfect man, he believes that something in the universe loves him despite his flaws and faults. Urged on by Virtual Six, he calls this "spark", which dwells in the soul of every living being, "God" and moves the crowd when he says that each and every person is perfect, and that they can love others once they love themselves.
* During Baltar's speech, Lee Adama sees [[Tory Foster]] in attendance. Elsewhere on the ship, [[Galen Tyrol]] stares at [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], who is playing in his crib.
* On ''[[Demetrius]]'', [[Kara Thrace]] is sleeping at a table when [[Samuel Anders]] comes in, watching over her.
* Baltar finishes his speech by saying that God loves that which is perfect, and that people are perfect as they are. Foster is smiling, while the other cultists begin to weep and give him a standing ovation. Lee Adama moves to leave the commune while Virtual Six looks over at Foster.

== Notes ==
* [[w:Escape velocity|Escape velocity]] is the minimum initial velocity an unaccelerated object needs to escape a body's gravitational field.
* [[Cally Tyrol]]'s full first name is Callandra. The spelling is confirmed in [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=246 Bear McCreary's blog post] for this episode. The episode also marks the first onscreen mention of her birth name, Henderson.
* The [[survivor count]] now accounts for Callandra Tyrol's death in "[[The Ties That Bind]]".
* A costuming error in the teaser shows [[Saul Tigh]] wearing the rank insignia of an [[Military Ranks (RDM)|admiral]]. This is noticeable in the scene where Tigh and [[Tory Foster]] confront [[Galen Tyrol]] in Tyrol's quarters after the memorial service.
* The [[Doloxan]] treatment [[Laura Roslin]] receives has forced her to wear a wig, since her hair loss began more than 22 days ago in "[[Six of One]]".
* Another of the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] is revealed: [[Asclepius]]. Asclepius is known to the Colonials as the god of healing.
* Unlike "[[The Ties That Bind]]", [[Tom Zarek]] is not present at the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] meetings on ''[[Colonial One]]'' in this episode. The reason for his absence is unexplained.
* Tory Foster confirms that the [[Final Five]] are stronger than humans.
* [[Redwing]] previously appeared in "[[Exodus, Part II]]" as [[Hot Dog]]'s wingman.
* The Raptor accident was the third such incident for the pair of [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]] and [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. The first occurrence being their FTL malfunction causing their mis-jump to the [[New Caprica]] system in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", and another incident with the RCS thrusters occurs in "[[Dirty Hands]]".
*As Baltar speaks about loving oneself, knowing "what we are" and loving others, the camera includes shots of three Cylons who are struggling with self-identity and their feelings for humans - [[Galen Tyrol]] staring at his son at play, [[Samuel Anders]] watching his wife as she sleeps aboard the [[Demetrius]] and [[Tory Foster]] watching Baltar himself.

== Analysis ==

=== General ===

*The [[Sons of Ares]] act with military precision, have access to gas grenades and knowledge about the ship's security procedures. From this it is likely that many of them are soldiers and not civilians. This may be expected from a group dedicated to the [[Ares|god of war]].
* When facing down the Marines, the way in which Baltar is standing up appears as though he is being lifted up, which puzzles the Marines and Baltar's followers. This marks the first time where virtual Six does something to Baltar that isn't clearly presented like Baltar is doing it to himself. While it is possible that he moves like that all by himself, and his feet are never shown, it is implied that virtual Six can actually affect things physically. This, along with the [[virtual Baltar]] appearing to Baltar in "[[Six of One]]", and both virtual beings consistently knowing information that neither Baltar or Caprica-Six could actually know, hints that there may be something more to them than simply being illusions. What they are, of course, remains a matter of debate.
**In the [[Podcast:Escape Velocity#Act 4|podcast]], Ron Moore points out that such an interpretation was never intended by the writers. He concedes that the way it is shot goes into that direction, which he considers too far, but believes that none of the characters present would think of it any other way than Baltar moving around by himself.
* The scene where Baltar violently confronts the Colonials during their prayer service seems based on the biblical narrative of [[Wikipedia:Jesus and the money changers|Jesus and the money changers]].

=== Characters ===
* [[Galen Tyrol]]'s insubordination that leads Admiral Adama to demote him may have been a deliberate act, conscious or unconscious, to maintain the safety of the ship. While not stated explicitly, Tyrol has been implied to have fears of working against the interest of the Fleet. This fear is almost certainly magnified when he forgets to swap out a burned out component for a new one on [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]]'s Raptor, which subsequently crashes. While his memory lapse may have been innocently brought on by the continuing stress of discovering himself to be a Cylon, the resulting subterfuge, and his wife's death, the experience of [[Sharon Valerii]] with her memory lapses, unconscious acts of sabotage, and the attempted murder of then Commander Adama, are probably on his mind. This is indicated during the tirade against Cally, Adama, and his life in general in [[Joe's bar]]. A demotion in disgrace and transfer could ensure the safety of the ship, without raising any unwanted questions as an official resignation probably would.
* Neither Tyrol nor, apparently, Tigh have been told the full truth about [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]]'s death; Foster has not seen fit to tell Tigh, possibly as a result of the suicide pact made in "[[He That Believeth In Me]]". The official story surrounding her demise has not been disclosed to the audience, however all ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crew knows is that she did die. What has not been disclosed thus far is how Nicholas was found, despite the fact that Cally was seen by several crewmembers carrying the child before her death.
* Tyrol continues to have feelings for Sharon Valerii, as he admits to [[William Adama]] and everyone else present in Joe's Bar. Tyrol notes many of [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]]'s weaknesses, including her nagging, nosy nature (which lead to her death in "[[The Ties That Bind]]"), and grows annoyed at Adama's willingness to turn Cally into an angel, when he believes that she is unworthy of that. His feelings for Valerii were likely renewed upon realizing that he is a Cylon, which makes a possible association with Valerii much more acceptable to him.
* Tyrol's tirade about Cally and his reasons for marrying her also have a double meaning in regards to Adama. As it becomes more obvious, especially ever since "[[A Day in the Life]]", Adama's feelings for Roslin have become more apparent. Unfortunately, with her cancer re-appearing and her possible upcoming death, Roslin, like Valerii to Tyrol, is unattainable to Adama. Ironically, though Tyrol believes that Adama wants him to join his "club" in lamenting for Cally, it may very well be that it is Adama who wants to join Tyrol's club.
* Foster continues to embrace her Cylon nature and Baltar's teachings. She tells Tigh and Tyrol to turn off the guilt, that they are perfect and different from humans. Tigh, however, can't turn off his feelings and spends much of the episode wondering if [[Caprica-Six]] can.
* A part of the book that Adama reads to Roslin, ''[[Searider Falcon]]'', has some deeper significance to both of them, just like ''[[Love and Bullets]]'' in the previous episode: "I wasn't afraid to die. I was afraid of the emptiness that I felt inside. I couldn't feel anything. And that's what scared me. You came into my thoughts. I felt them. It felt good." This is emphasized by the fact that he closes the book and recites the passage, almost as if the words are his. It is also possible that the passage has additional significance for Adama, since by his admission he normally stops reading after it.
* Roslin's wig is strikingly reminiscent of [[Helena Cain]]'s hairstyle in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]". This is a visual counterpoint to her increasing ruthlessness as she confronts her impending death.
* Roslin's wig is also reminiscent of the hairstyle and look that she has in the vision she shared with Athena and Caprica-Six ([[TRS]]: "[[Crossroads, Part I]]"). This may indicate that the vision was a foretelling of future events to come in the season.
* Roslin's body language during and after her speech to the Quorum portrays several nuances to the audience. First, it is apparent, besides the hair loss, that the cancer treatments are weakening her body tremendously. Second, her previous statements to Baltar of having less and less patience is more evident in how she dealt with the Quorum's request. Third, as she leaves, the nuance of Roslin, with a hunched back and slowly sulking away indicates that there may be future consequences for the Quorum in standing up to Roslin.

=== Religion ===
* Delegate [[Reza Chronides]] mentions [[Mithraism]], thus further establishing the existence of other religions in the Twelve Colonies. The [[Sons of Ares]] are another religious group, described as [[w:fundamentalism|fundamentalist]].
*This is particularly notable in the context of Baltar's cult, because [[w:Mithraism|Mithraism]] had many things in common with [[w:Christianity|Christianity]]. Yet Christians were persecuted far more by the ([[w:polytheism|polytheistic]]) Romans, while Mithraism spread throughout the empire and particularly the army, before Christianity became the official religion and [[w:Paganism|paganism]] illegal. This furthers the connection of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] to the Roman/Greek gods and of Baltar to [[w:Jesus Christ|Christ]].
*In Baltar's theology people are perfect and God loves things that are perfect. Perfect things have no faults, therefore God loves one including one's faults. Hence, there is nothing wrong with one despite the questionable things done in life. This is similar to the Calvinist and Free Grace Christian theologies that hold that those truly saved by the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ can not lose their salvation. In other words, regardless of faults or sins past, present or future a true believer in Christ's complete salvation at the Cross would never be rejected by God. This is similar to Baltar's theology in which God would never reject a person under any circumstance because he or she is perfect regardless of their faults or sins. Under this world view God would regard [[Tory Foster]] as perfect and guiltless despite her murder of [[Cally Tyrol]], which she has convinced herself that she is.
*Furthermore, according to conventional Protestant Christian theology, one need only accept Jesus as savior and confess once. The confession must be heartfelt and true for Christ's salvation and redemption to be in effect in God's eyes. To use the example of Tory Foster once more, it is likely that Foster is truly embracing Baltar's teachings and perhaps her Cylon nature in that she truly believes they are perfect as is and forgiven as they are. This differs from what is required under conventional forms of Christianity in that Christ has paid for the sinner's salvation.
*Baltar's speech about loving one's self, and using that understanding to love and understand others seems thematically aligned with Virtual Six's initial remark in the Miniseries that "God is love." Ironically, Baltar's sinful past now seems to enhance his credibility and provide evidence that someone as sinful as him has been given fortune by God. In Christianity, to be redeemed from sin does not mean that one will stop sinning, but to live in constant reminder of God's love and favor because of Christ's sacrifice. Furthermore with that understanding that one is loved, one's behavior will change gradually and in certain circumstances miracles occur. Likewise, Baltar has repeatedly repented to God and had seemingly divine providence intervene in his favor several times. Since Baltar is now using his own sinful life as an example, it seems that this dynamic of Christianity is consistent here as well.

== Questions ==

* Will Lee Adama grow more sympathetic towards Baltar's group? ([[Daybreak, Part I|Partial Answer]])
* Will Roslin learn that Foster is associating with Baltar? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
* Will Tyrol seriously consider Foster's words?
* Will Foster clash with Tigh and Tyrol, as their different attitudes towards their Cylon nature develop?
* Are Tyrol and Tigh's hallucinations merely the result of grief and guilt, or are they using [[projection]]?
* Do Tigh and Six frak? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])
* Are Tigh and Six the "enemies brought together by impossible longing" spoken of by the [[First Hybrid]] in "[[Razor]]"?
* Are Tyrol's statements about Cally's negative attributes heartfelt, or merely a result of rage and anger? ([[The Road Less Traveled|Answer #1]], [[Blood on the Scales|Answer #2]], [[Daybreak, Part II|Answer #3]])
* What of [[Nicholas Tyrol]]? Will his father take care of the child?
* Now that it is clear that Foster lied to Tyrol about the death of Cally, how will Tyrol react should he discover the truth? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])
* What will Tyrol's new duties be after his demotion to specialist? ([[Blood on the Scales|Future Answer]])
* Further, what is his status within the [[Colonial Workers Alliance]]? Has he abandoned this union's leadership position or been forced out?
* Will Baltar's religion end up helping the people of the Fleet, or will it lead them into a dangerous state which compromises them, as Laura Roslin appears to fear?
* What influence will the new religion have on Roslin's beliefs and actions? Will she convert, will she be proven right, or will she be on the wrong side?
* Does Baltar's facial expression of seeming shock when he sees Virtual Six standing next to her and smiling, mean that he realizes that Tory Foster is a Cylon? ([[Revelations|Possible answer]]) Does he connect that with Foster's display of strength to him during their sex play?

== Official Statements ==
* ''[[Mark Verheiden]] discusses [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] being "lifted" by [[Virtual Six]]:''
: "I would argue that Baltar’s gyrations were still him contorting himself, as if Number Six were hoisting him from the floor. I am reminded of Church services where people, in the throes of religious fervor, can evidence remarkable physical contortions, 'speaking in tongues,' etc."<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/04/28/battlestar-galactica-interview-mark-verheiden-on-tyrols-guilt-and-baltar-the-traitor/|title=Battlestar Galactica Interview: Mark Verheiden on Tyrol's Guilt and Baltar the Traitor|date=28 April 2008|accessdate=1 May 2008|last=Ullrich|first=Chris|format=|language=}}</ref>

* ''Verheiden talks about [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s animosity towards Baltar:''
: "This starts to get a little complicated, I think, which of course means you’re watching ''Battlestar Galactica''! But Laura’s emotions about New Caprica have to be a swirl of righteous resentments and animosity.

: "Remember that she [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|was removed]] as President by the will of the people (in a squeaker of an election), replaced by a guy she knew would be a poor leader. That proved to be true even before the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] arrived and the [[Cylon Occupation Authority|occupation]] began.

: "So she would have watched the political machine on [[New Caprica]] flounder under Baltar’s rule, then see the Government’s total capitulation when the Cylons arrived and he immediately surrendered.

: "While Baltar more or less cooperated with the Cylons (regardless of whether his reasons were pragmatic and practical, as pointed out in his trial), humans were rounded up, imprisoned, eyeballs were gouged out, people were tortured, the nightmare went on and on.

: "After all that, Baltar [[Crossroads, Part II|managed to evade]] Laura’s idea of justice AND he falls into a [[Cult of Baltar|sect]] of acolytes who look to him for spiritual guidance.

: "Is it any wonder that the guy gets under her skin? And that she fears for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|fleet]] should he find another power base?"

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''[[William Adama]] and [[Galen Tyrol]]'s argument at Joe's Bar:''
: '''William Adama:''' [[Cally Tyrol|She]] was a good woman.
: '''Galen Tyrol:''' If you ''really'' believe that, you wouldn't have [[Dirty Hands|threatened]] to stick her up against a bulkhead and shoot her. It's OK though, thought about doing it a few times myself. Believe me.
: '''Adama:''' Chief...
: '''Tyrol:''' How many of us ended up with the people we wanted to be with? Got stuck with the best of limited options. And why? Because the ones we really want, that we've really loved, are dead, dying, turned out to be [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and they didn't know it. And if [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] had...
: '''Adama:''' Let's go. Let's go.
: '''Tyrol:''' No. ''No.'' I didn't know—
: '''Adama:''' Let's go home.
: '''Tyrol:''' ''I didn't know.'' So I buried my head in the sand, and I took it, and I settled. I settled for that shriek. Those dull, vacant eyes. Boiled cabbage stench of her. And why? Because this is my life. This is the life I picked! And that's fine. But you know what, it's not! I didn't pick this life! This isn't my ''[[frak]]kin''<nowiki>'</nowiki> life!
: '''Adama:''' What the hell's gotten in to you? Don't do this. Don't do this to her memory.
: '''Tyrol:''' You know what? I'm sorry if I'm not doing this the way you want me to, the way you might, but I'm not making an angel out of someone who wasn't an angel. But I can see you have. And now you've come down here to be in my club. But you're not in my club. You don't know what frakkin' club I'm in because you never ask the right questions.
: '''Adama:''' Chief, let's get out of here.
: '''Tyrol:''' No. Why don't ''you'' go, take care of your ''precious ship''.
: '''Adama:''' Stop it! Stop all of this! Because if you don't, I'll have to act on it. Now shut up!
: '''Tyrol:''' ''Great!'' Do it! Please! For the love of Gods, please demote me! ''Get me off your frakking ship!''
: '''Adama:''' Specialist Tyrol, I want you off my hangar deck before you endanger another pilot. You're to report to Petty Officer [[Basim]] at 0600 for reassignment. Do you understand?

* ''[[Caprica-Six]] tells [[Saul Tigh]] about her feelings:''
:"I want the pain. It's how I learn. I was instrumental in the destruction of humanity, but at the same time I learned, because...because I fell in love...with a human man, and he was mortal and fallible. And he had this incredible pride in himself. He thought he knew everything there was to know. And I loved him, with my whole heart. And then one day, I realized I wouldn't have him forever. I understood what I'd done. How I betrayed him and humanity. And that pain taught me to understand death. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] could die. And I loved him. Baltar's heart was ephemeral. Baltar's body was fragile in my hands."

* ''[[Laura Roslin]] about [[Lee Adama]] and his understanding of politics:''
:'''Roslin:''' Lee has no idea. He really has no idea. [...] There are pragmatic realities he refuses to face.
:'''William Adama:''' Well, that's a problem of course. He'd say what he thinks is right.
:'''Roslin:''' Well yeah. He is Lee. Thing is, it probably is the right thing, but...sometimes the right thing is a luxury. And it can have profoundly dangerous consequences. And it's almost as if he doesn't want that to be true.

* ''[[Gaius Baltar]] speaks to his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]]:''
:"I am not a priest. I've never even been a particularly good man. I am in fact a profoundly selfish man. But that doesn't matter, you see. Something in the universe loves me. (smiles) Something in the universe loves the entity that is me. I would choose to call this something "God", a singular spark that dwells in the soul of every living being. If you look inside yourself you will find that spark too. You will. But you have to look deep. Love your faults. Embrace them. If God embraces them, then how can they be faults? Love yourself. You have to love yourself. If we don't love ourselves, how can we love others? And when we know what we are, then we can find the truth out about others, seek what they are; the truth about them. And you know what the truth is? The truth about them? About you? About me? Do you? The truth is, we're all perfect. Just as we are. God only loves that which is perfect and he loves you. He loves you because you are perfect. You are perfect. Just as you are."

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as "[[Virtual beings#Saul Tigh's Virtual Ellen|Virtual Ellen]]"
* [[Don Thompson]] as [[Anthony Figurski]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Donna Soares]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Gemenon Delegate|Gemenon Delegate]] (credited as "Speaking Delegate #1")
* [[Iris Paluly]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Tauron Delegate #1|Tauron Delegate]] (credited as "Speaking Delegate #2")
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Heather Doerksen]] as Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]] (credited as "Surveillance Marine")
* [[Laara Sadiq]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Priestess|Priestess]]
* [[Karen Austin]] as [[Lilly]]
* [[Steve Lawlor]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine guard|Marine at Baltar's]]
* [[Hector Johnson]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Marine Lieutenant]]
* [[Lee Jefferies]] as [[Redwing|"Redwing" McKay]]
* [[Rob Hayter]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Sons of Ares leader|Sons of Ares leader]] (uncredited)
* Unknown as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#"Mr. Officious"|"Mr. Officious"]] (uncredited)

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=246

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Dogger55: /* Inappropriate use of Point of Order? */

Is this title a hint to [[Saul Tigh|everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
:That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

== SG1 thing? ==

Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:::The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== Image ==

May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this] (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::My vote goes to [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this], right. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::: It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I say [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=3 this one] How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random <code>{{#random:image1.jpg,etc}}</code> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Orion ==
At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Not only did you see Orion, but also Taurus and the Pleiades - and most importantly, as you would see them if you were within ~50 light years of Earth. --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

:I think that this is also a tribute to Blade Runner: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. '''Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.''' I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." very cool! --[[User:Zenzero|Zenzero]], 30 April 2008
::I actually just saw Blade Runner a few days ago, and I think that that is a interesting, albeit coincidental, connection![[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 20:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== Acts vs. Location Format ==
I feel that this guide would be much easier to read and follow if it was in a Location format instead of by Acts. IMHO, YMMV, ect. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. that's the way I orginally had it setup before spenc uploaded his thing :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't look at the history. It just seems harder to read this way. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hey. Wasn't blaming ya. :) I gues I'll pick apart his summary and switch everything around. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We have most of the guides in act format since that's how the episode translates. While this may be easy to read, it also throws the order of the story out of whack. I figure we have to do this on a case-by-case given the number of scene shifts, so.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not so much scene shifts, but number of ''independent'' story lines. Sometimes, there are two different settings, but heavily intercut and dependent on each other. Like the stuff in "The Eye of Jupiter" and "Rapture". One the other hand, the Caprica, Kobol and Cylon story lines stand for themselves and can have an own section. That's how we always did it. Nothing new :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Nicky Cylon or Human ==

I wonder if this episode shows how the story hits on pure fiction rather than sci-fi with the case of Nicky being a cylon. Nicky is a boy, which would mean there has to be a Y chromosome. If Tyrol is truly a Cylon, then Cally could only have a female child. They stated earlier in the series that the skinjobs could not reproduce without human donors. Reading the sci-fi forums and original series (way back to deception to the Cylons/Baltar by Specter, and how the Beings of Light 'try' not to interfere) may provide a spoiler to what is to come next from this episode if it stays on the sci-fi side. If it goes fiction, maybe it be worth noting what made Nicky a boy and a cylon before someone yells "that's not sci-fi!" (The Science Note: women can reproduce women without men in genetic experiments of fertilization, but women do not carry/make the Y chromosome to reproduce a male.) (Podcast note: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:Frak_Party_Q_and_A#hybridnick]) [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:They did not state anything about human donors. They stated that Cylons could not reproduce with each other, and could not reproduce with humans unless there was love. Cally and Tyrol love each other, imperfect as their marriage might be, so Nicky was conceived like Hera. No reason he shouldn't have a Cylon Y chromosome. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::RDM has stated the the final five are fundamentally different than the others, so what is know about the significant seven may not apply. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, what is known about the signficant seven doesn't rule it out. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, we can say that Nicky is fundamentally different when compared to Hera. The plot just grows more from this episode about them and brings questions, but the difference can be noted on the Nicky or Hera page. I was going to add something to the article, but I felt it was better to wait another episode. Thanks -- [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 03:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::For now, we don't know of any fundamental differences between Nicky and Hera yet. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Inappropriate use of Point of Order? ==

According to Robert's Rules of Order, a Point of Order is raised if the rules of order have apparently been broken. In this case, rules don't seem to have been broken, and Lee is really just interrupting to bring up his own issues (which could be construed as out of order). The closest motion that I could find is a Request for Any Other Privilege, which he would then use to try to bring up a more pressing issue, but this is still an iffy case. [[User:Ctetc2007|Ctetc2007]] 10:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
*Standing-up at the table is a request to yield. The one who has the floor is the one who can decide to yield the floor. If Lee continued without the floor being yielded to him, then it would be out of order. Notice that Lee does ask for the floor to yield. The point of order is to get the answer to yield the floor and to quiet everybody else that does not have the floor. Roslin immediately tabled the issue that Lee brought up. Lee sits down, and the floor is returned. He could have requested an immediate call to vote to handle the issue, but typically it would have to be by some disastrous or emergency situation to call to vote on non-agenda items. Why didn't he make that case at that time? [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
*Since a legitimate Point of Order addresses a violation of the rules, it is addressed ''immediately'' to ensure proper procedures are followed. For this reason, it is frequently abused. I view the episode as reflecting the reality of that abuse. Lee has a point to make, but it isn't his turn, so he misuses the rule to interrupt. That isn't proper procedure, but it is a realistic depiction of what frequently happens in meetings. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 14:25, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Interesting Comments about Orion Sighting ==
The [http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/992976.html post] might be worth reading. Didn't know about the [[w:Ophiuchus |thirteenth sign]] until now. Any astrophysicists on board to judge this info? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:This is a great little read (the link above). Even the bit about the Cylons of Greece (an aditional link once there). I was wondering, has anyone seen/made a super-speculative galactic map of where the fleet might be? especially now that with being able to pin point the rough neighbourhood the fleet is now in.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 12:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:One thing about this - if the arguement in that article was accurate (in terms of which direction the Fleet s approaching from), the Sun would be a bright naked eye star in Orion (roughly about mag 3), and would be stick out like a sore thumb. However - in terms of proximity, ~25 L.Y. away would seem about right. -- [[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Monitoring Launch Tubes ==

The reason nobody notices the launch tubes being used is probably due to the Galactica's lack of automation. There's no central computer to track these things, and the over-worked state of Galactica's repair crew probably means that the logs that would track these things (assuming there's a counter at all) aren't being kept properly.

Of course, this doesn't explain why there wouldn't be guards.

— [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, at least they already established that nobody was paying attention to the launch tubes in last season's "[[Collaborators]]"... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poor Jammer. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

: This might be indeed a flaw by design, but one that they should have fixed after the first Cylon war. The Cylons boarded ships via airlocks and launch tubes and used them as weapon to vent the crew out of the ship. In such a situation the security team etc. should know where to look for the enemy. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, would YOU want to guard the launch tubes? 99% of the time you'd just be standing there in an empty control room (at least at night), not to mention the fact that since there are quite a few launch tubes, you'd be tying up a significant number of personnel doing so. It seems like it'd be easier in terms of manpower to have guards somewhere in the hangar deck (potentially in intersection of the hangar deck(s) and the interior of the ship). By guarding the choke points, you'd be covered against somebody coming from any of the launch tubes, and from the landing bay openings as well. Though obviously the biggest reason the launch tubes are untended are for dramatic purposes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Nobody said there had to be ''humans'' watching the launch tubes, you'd be 'watching' them electronically, just like building security monitors elevator movements. If they did that and logged all activity, they'd find out Cally's launch tube was spaced from the control room and know she didn't commit suicide. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, that Cally did not commit suicide is something that a good criminal investigator would find out anyway - Cally has to trigger the launch tube from inside by use this little key. This key should still be in the launch tube. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::*Actually, Cally used the key to switch the airlock door control from Locked (red) to Active (green). The green control light remained on after Tory removed the key. If the switch remained "hot", and Tory had the sense to take the key with her, it would be reasonable to assume that Cally pocketed the key before opening the door. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 12:44, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
:::True, but you know what happens when you put "machines" in charge of things... Closed circuit monitoring would of course be sensible. And if they wanted to get into all that, they could alter the logs and substitute in bogus footage, etc. When your conspiracy includes the Chief and the XO, there's not a lot of limits to what you could cover up. I guess they didn't want to get into that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think the Chief and the XO were in on this. And as to the key, wouldn't it be spaced too? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I meant more of the executions in Collaborators. As for the key, it'd probably be "locked" into place when turned to the activated position. That, or you'd be losing keys whenever you did that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Whenever you did what? Flushing a launch tube with yourself inside? How often does that happen? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::There are probably moving parts in the non-pressurized areas of the launch tube that need occasional maintenance. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I myself have decided to suspend disbelief on this particular issue. I find it fairly unbelievable that there isn't an automated system that would at least inform CIC that a "launch" had taken place. Also, this is a military ship on a war footing; I'm sure they have plenty of bored marines who could be patrolling the ship, especially sensitive areas like launch tubes and airlocks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 20:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well it kinda depends on how detailed the data is that arrives at CIC: they may know ''that'' the launch tube was flushed, but they may not be able to tell whether it was operated from the inside or the outside (which would be of little use outside murder investigations). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 20:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Taurus ==
Some observant individual has noticed that Taurus is visible in this Orion [http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taurusqv3.jpg screen cap] (Orion is still visible in the lower left), putting the Cylon fleet pretty close to Earth. Is this observation correct? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, that's just bull ;) -- [[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 20:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== Wired ==

''Wired'' credits the Battlestar Wiki for the photo they use for this blog, [http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/04/galacticas-thir.html Galactica's 'Ties That Bind' Is All Fraked Up].--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question about Nebula effects on the Callster ==

So this question was added to the questions section: ''Why did reaching the Ionian Nebula have such a negative effect on Cally (lack of sleep, depression)?''

The thing about this question is that it had nothing to do (directly) with the Ionian Nebula affecting Cally negatively... Galen Tyrol's the one that's been causing some of the problems since their marriage, as we've seen in "[[A Day in the Life]]", although the root problem is that they're both pretty incompatible, which came to a head pretty much after the revelation in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".

I'm bringing this up here because I removed the question earlier, but it was re-added, and instead of sparking an edit where the entire questions section was blanked (as was the case after I removed the question the first time), I figure I'd discuss it here first... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed. There is a time correlation obviously, but no causality. Unfortunately, these days some people are too quick to search for an outside explanation within the story and events, instead of looking at what the characters themselves go through. That just creates pointless implications. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Launch tube window ==

Has the reference to this been removed for a reason? I'm sure the article used to mention that there can't be a window in that location. (Did its illogical appearance really annoy anyone else as well?) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 10:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Still there. Last item in the Notes section. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Oops, my bad :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 12:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::*You know, it might just be an hallucination... Given that Cally was basically in an unstable state of mind, she might have just been imagining that there was a window there. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::*Actually, there is space between each tube, which is wide enough for a control room (at least). As Cally first approaches the tube, you see a shorter door on the right labeled "Launch Control". This is the area from which Tory ultimately vents Cally into space. If Launch Control does not run the full length of the tube, there would be an empty gap where a window could be placed. Plus, there should be more space between each tube, simply to ensure minimum separation between Vipers during simultaneous launch. If all Vipers launch at once, you don't want those suckers flying too close to each other. An examination of the blueprint ([[Galactica_(RDM)#Blue_prints_of_Galactica|click on link here]]) shows space between each tube. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 12:26, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Another constellation? ==

I think I've found another constellation, but I'm not sure how right I am and how appropriate it may be considering the repeats of Orion in later episodes.

When it was first mentioned that Orion ''may be'' in Cally's look out the window, I went to check it, but couldn't see Orion. However, around about where the reflection of Cally's cheek is, there is a group of stars I believe may be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux Crux] (also known as the Southern Cross, an important navigational constellation in the southern hemisphere). To the left of the cross (up when looking at the screen) are two bright stars, which may be the Pointers.

But there's a couple of problems. First is the later reappearance of Orion as a point of reference. Second is that the Pointers are too close together, but that issue can be circumvented by having The Fleet in a position where ''most'' of the stars line up but the Pointers appear closer together.

Am I on to something, or am I reading too much into the random dot patterns normally used for starfields ? [[User:Saberwyn|Saberwyn]] 10:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== Main image ==

Shouldn't the image be one w/Cally in it, since this was essentially her episode? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 20:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
: It could, but that'd be like switching around the seating arrangements on ''Titanic''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: See above. It used to be, and it really fits better than another generic Final Five picture, but using vertically aligned pictures is a bit problematic for the layout. Though cutting off a bit at the bottom would work. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm not against cropping or resizing portrait-oriented pictures in order to make it work for the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Weird Overdub / Name Change ==

In my universal-playback UK/Region 2 S4 boxset (white silver cover with red dress number 6) there's one really strange overdub which stick out like a sore thumb: in the early scene of Lee Adama's acceptance speech he says "And so I am honored to accept this appointment to the quorum in the hope that I can continue Delegate Cowan's courageous work on behalf of the people of Caprica and the Fleet." Except in this version the two words "Delegate Cowan's" are badly overdubbed with "Delegate Cowlin's", and the subtitles also say Cowlin's. Later on in the scene between Lee and Zarek, Lee says "I had some bills I wanted to discuss. Projects Delegate Cowan was pushing before she died. But they told me she wasn't in." Here the audio and subtitles both agree on Cowan. I was sort of hoping there'd already be some sort of explanation here. It's really quite obvious! Anyone know what's going on there? [[User:Jsbsgw|Jsbsgw]] 00:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

: Name changes and dialogue dubs are actually quite common.... I'll have to check the script, but it wouldn't be surprising if "Cowlin" was in the original shooting draft. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:It will be interesting to see if that's also done for the US DVDs or just the UK ones, though there shouldn't be such "major" differences. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 1

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Dogger55: /* Monitoring Launch Tubes */

Is this title a hint to [[Saul Tigh|everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
:That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

== SG1 thing? ==

Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:::The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== Image ==

May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this] (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::My vote goes to [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this], right. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::: It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I say [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=3 this one] How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random <code>{{#random:image1.jpg,etc}}</code> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Orion ==
At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Not only did you see Orion, but also Taurus and the Pleiades - and most importantly, as you would see them if you were within ~50 light years of Earth. --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

:I think that this is also a tribute to Blade Runner: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. '''Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.''' I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." very cool! --[[User:Zenzero|Zenzero]], 30 April 2008
::I actually just saw Blade Runner a few days ago, and I think that that is a interesting, albeit coincidental, connection![[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 20:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== Acts vs. Location Format ==
I feel that this guide would be much easier to read and follow if it was in a Location format instead of by Acts. IMHO, YMMV, ect. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. that's the way I orginally had it setup before spenc uploaded his thing :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't look at the history. It just seems harder to read this way. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hey. Wasn't blaming ya. :) I gues I'll pick apart his summary and switch everything around. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We have most of the guides in act format since that's how the episode translates. While this may be easy to read, it also throws the order of the story out of whack. I figure we have to do this on a case-by-case given the number of scene shifts, so.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not so much scene shifts, but number of ''independent'' story lines. Sometimes, there are two different settings, but heavily intercut and dependent on each other. Like the stuff in "The Eye of Jupiter" and "Rapture". One the other hand, the Caprica, Kobol and Cylon story lines stand for themselves and can have an own section. That's how we always did it. Nothing new :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Nicky Cylon or Human ==

I wonder if this episode shows how the story hits on pure fiction rather than sci-fi with the case of Nicky being a cylon. Nicky is a boy, which would mean there has to be a Y chromosome. If Tyrol is truly a Cylon, then Cally could only have a female child. They stated earlier in the series that the skinjobs could not reproduce without human donors. Reading the sci-fi forums and original series (way back to deception to the Cylons/Baltar by Specter, and how the Beings of Light 'try' not to interfere) may provide a spoiler to what is to come next from this episode if it stays on the sci-fi side. If it goes fiction, maybe it be worth noting what made Nicky a boy and a cylon before someone yells "that's not sci-fi!" (The Science Note: women can reproduce women without men in genetic experiments of fertilization, but women do not carry/make the Y chromosome to reproduce a male.) (Podcast note: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:Frak_Party_Q_and_A#hybridnick]) [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:They did not state anything about human donors. They stated that Cylons could not reproduce with each other, and could not reproduce with humans unless there was love. Cally and Tyrol love each other, imperfect as their marriage might be, so Nicky was conceived like Hera. No reason he shouldn't have a Cylon Y chromosome. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::RDM has stated the the final five are fundamentally different than the others, so what is know about the significant seven may not apply. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, what is known about the signficant seven doesn't rule it out. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, we can say that Nicky is fundamentally different when compared to Hera. The plot just grows more from this episode about them and brings questions, but the difference can be noted on the Nicky or Hera page. I was going to add something to the article, but I felt it was better to wait another episode. Thanks -- [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 03:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::For now, we don't know of any fundamental differences between Nicky and Hera yet. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Inappropriate use of Point of Order? ==

According to Robert's Rules of Order, a Point of Order is raised if the rules of order have apparently been broken. In this case, rules don't seem to have been broken, and Lee is really just interrupting to bring up his own issues (which could be construed as out of order). The closest motion that I could find is a Request for Any Other Privilege, which he would then use to try to bring up a more pressing issue, but this is still an iffy case. [[User:Ctetc2007|Ctetc2007]] 10:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Standing-up at the table is a request to yield. The one who has the floor is the one who can decide to yield the floor. If Lee continued without the floor being yielded to him, then it would be out of order. Notice that Lee does ask for the floor to yield. The point of order is to get the answer to yield the floor and to quiet everybody else that does not have the floor. Roslin immediately tabled the issue that Lee brought up. Lee sits down, and the floor is returned. He could have requested an immediate call to vote to handle the issue, but typically it would have to be by some disastrous or emergency situation to call to vote on non-agenda items. Why didn't he make that case at that time? [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Interesting Comments about Orion Sighting ==
The [http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/992976.html post] might be worth reading. Didn't know about the [[w:Ophiuchus |thirteenth sign]] until now. Any astrophysicists on board to judge this info? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:This is a great little read (the link above). Even the bit about the Cylons of Greece (an aditional link once there). I was wondering, has anyone seen/made a super-speculative galactic map of where the fleet might be? especially now that with being able to pin point the rough neighbourhood the fleet is now in.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 12:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:One thing about this - if the arguement in that article was accurate (in terms of which direction the Fleet s approaching from), the Sun would be a bright naked eye star in Orion (roughly about mag 3), and would be stick out like a sore thumb. However - in terms of proximity, ~25 L.Y. away would seem about right. -- [[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Monitoring Launch Tubes ==

The reason nobody notices the launch tubes being used is probably due to the Galactica's lack of automation. There's no central computer to track these things, and the over-worked state of Galactica's repair crew probably means that the logs that would track these things (assuming there's a counter at all) aren't being kept properly.

Of course, this doesn't explain why there wouldn't be guards.

— [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, at least they already established that nobody was paying attention to the launch tubes in last season's "[[Collaborators]]"... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poor Jammer. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

: This might be indeed a flaw by design, but one that they should have fixed after the first Cylon war. The Cylons boarded ships via airlocks and launch tubes and used them as weapon to vent the crew out of the ship. In such a situation the security team etc. should know where to look for the enemy. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, would YOU want to guard the launch tubes? 99% of the time you'd just be standing there in an empty control room (at least at night), not to mention the fact that since there are quite a few launch tubes, you'd be tying up a significant number of personnel doing so. It seems like it'd be easier in terms of manpower to have guards somewhere in the hangar deck (potentially in intersection of the hangar deck(s) and the interior of the ship). By guarding the choke points, you'd be covered against somebody coming from any of the launch tubes, and from the landing bay openings as well. Though obviously the biggest reason the launch tubes are untended are for dramatic purposes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Nobody said there had to be ''humans'' watching the launch tubes, you'd be 'watching' them electronically, just like building security monitors elevator movements. If they did that and logged all activity, they'd find out Cally's launch tube was spaced from the control room and know she didn't commit suicide. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, that Cally did not commit suicide is something that a good criminal investigator would find out anyway - Cally has to trigger the launch tube from inside by use this little key. This key should still be in the launch tube. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::*Actually, Cally used the key to switch the airlock door control from Locked (red) to Active (green). The green control light remained on after Tory removed the key. If the switch remained "hot", and Tory had the sense to take the key with her, it would be reasonable to assume that Cally pocketed the key before opening the door. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 12:44, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
:::True, but you know what happens when you put "machines" in charge of things... Closed circuit monitoring would of course be sensible. And if they wanted to get into all that, they could alter the logs and substitute in bogus footage, etc. When your conspiracy includes the Chief and the XO, there's not a lot of limits to what you could cover up. I guess they didn't want to get into that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think the Chief and the XO were in on this. And as to the key, wouldn't it be spaced too? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I meant more of the executions in Collaborators. As for the key, it'd probably be "locked" into place when turned to the activated position. That, or you'd be losing keys whenever you did that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Whenever you did what? Flushing a launch tube with yourself inside? How often does that happen? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::There are probably moving parts in the non-pressurized areas of the launch tube that need occasional maintenance. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I myself have decided to suspend disbelief on this particular issue. I find it fairly unbelievable that there isn't an automated system that would at least inform CIC that a "launch" had taken place. Also, this is a military ship on a war footing; I'm sure they have plenty of bored marines who could be patrolling the ship, especially sensitive areas like launch tubes and airlocks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 20:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well it kinda depends on how detailed the data is that arrives at CIC: they may know ''that'' the launch tube was flushed, but they may not be able to tell whether it was operated from the inside or the outside (which would be of little use outside murder investigations). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 20:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Taurus ==
Some observant individual has noticed that Taurus is visible in this Orion [http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taurusqv3.jpg screen cap] (Orion is still visible in the lower left), putting the Cylon fleet pretty close to Earth. Is this observation correct? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, that's just bull ;) -- [[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 20:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== Wired ==

''Wired'' credits the Battlestar Wiki for the photo they use for this blog, [http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/04/galacticas-thir.html Galactica's 'Ties That Bind' Is All Fraked Up].--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question about Nebula effects on the Callster ==

So this question was added to the questions section: ''Why did reaching the Ionian Nebula have such a negative effect on Cally (lack of sleep, depression)?''

The thing about this question is that it had nothing to do (directly) with the Ionian Nebula affecting Cally negatively... Galen Tyrol's the one that's been causing some of the problems since their marriage, as we've seen in "[[A Day in the Life]]", although the root problem is that they're both pretty incompatible, which came to a head pretty much after the revelation in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".

I'm bringing this up here because I removed the question earlier, but it was re-added, and instead of sparking an edit where the entire questions section was blanked (as was the case after I removed the question the first time), I figure I'd discuss it here first... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed. There is a time correlation obviously, but no causality. Unfortunately, these days some people are too quick to search for an outside explanation within the story and events, instead of looking at what the characters themselves go through. That just creates pointless implications. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Launch tube window ==

Has the reference to this been removed for a reason? I'm sure the article used to mention that there can't be a window in that location. (Did its illogical appearance really annoy anyone else as well?) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 10:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Still there. Last item in the Notes section. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Oops, my bad :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 12:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::*You know, it might just be an hallucination... Given that Cally was basically in an unstable state of mind, she might have just been imagining that there was a window there. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::*Actually, there is space between each tube, which is wide enough for a control room (at least). As Cally first approaches the tube, you see a shorter door on the right labeled "Launch Control". This is the area from which Tory ultimately vents Cally into space. If Launch Control does not run the full length of the tube, there would be an empty gap where a window could be placed. Plus, there should be more space between each tube, simply to ensure minimum separation between Vipers during simultaneous launch. If all Vipers launch at once, you don't want those suckers flying too close to each other. An examination of the blueprint ([[Galactica_(RDM)#Blue_prints_of_Galactica|click on link here]]) shows space between each tube. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 12:26, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Another constellation? ==

I think I've found another constellation, but I'm not sure how right I am and how appropriate it may be considering the repeats of Orion in later episodes.

When it was first mentioned that Orion ''may be'' in Cally's look out the window, I went to check it, but couldn't see Orion. However, around about where the reflection of Cally's cheek is, there is a group of stars I believe may be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux Crux] (also known as the Southern Cross, an important navigational constellation in the southern hemisphere). To the left of the cross (up when looking at the screen) are two bright stars, which may be the Pointers.

But there's a couple of problems. First is the later reappearance of Orion as a point of reference. Second is that the Pointers are too close together, but that issue can be circumvented by having The Fleet in a position where ''most'' of the stars line up but the Pointers appear closer together.

Am I on to something, or am I reading too much into the random dot patterns normally used for starfields ? [[User:Saberwyn|Saberwyn]] 10:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== Main image ==

Shouldn't the image be one w/Cally in it, since this was essentially her episode? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 20:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
: It could, but that'd be like switching around the seating arrangements on ''Titanic''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: See above. It used to be, and it really fits better than another generic Final Five picture, but using vertically aligned pictures is a bit problematic for the layout. Though cutting off a bit at the bottom would work. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm not against cropping or resizing portrait-oriented pictures in order to make it work for the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Weird Overdub / Name Change ==

In my universal-playback UK/Region 2 S4 boxset (white silver cover with red dress number 6) there's one really strange overdub which stick out like a sore thumb: in the early scene of Lee Adama's acceptance speech he says "And so I am honored to accept this appointment to the quorum in the hope that I can continue Delegate Cowan's courageous work on behalf of the people of Caprica and the Fleet." Except in this version the two words "Delegate Cowan's" are badly overdubbed with "Delegate Cowlin's", and the subtitles also say Cowlin's. Later on in the scene between Lee and Zarek, Lee says "I had some bills I wanted to discuss. Projects Delegate Cowan was pushing before she died. But they told me she wasn't in." Here the audio and subtitles both agree on Cowan. I was sort of hoping there'd already be some sort of explanation here. It's really quite obvious! Anyone know what's going on there? [[User:Jsbsgw|Jsbsgw]] 00:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

: Name changes and dialogue dubs are actually quite common.... I'll have to check the script, but it wouldn't be surprising if "Cowlin" was in the original shooting draft. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:It will be interesting to see if that's also done for the US DVDs or just the UK ones, though there shouldn't be such "major" differences. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 1

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Dogger55: /* Launch tube window */

Is this title a hint to [[Saul Tigh|everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
:That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

== SG1 thing? ==

Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:::The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== Image ==

May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this] (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::My vote goes to [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this], right. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::: It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I say [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=3 this one] How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random <code>{{#random:image1.jpg,etc}}</code> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Orion ==
At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Not only did you see Orion, but also Taurus and the Pleiades - and most importantly, as you would see them if you were within ~50 light years of Earth. --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

:I think that this is also a tribute to Blade Runner: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. '''Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.''' I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." very cool! --[[User:Zenzero|Zenzero]], 30 April 2008
::I actually just saw Blade Runner a few days ago, and I think that that is a interesting, albeit coincidental, connection![[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 20:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== Acts vs. Location Format ==
I feel that this guide would be much easier to read and follow if it was in a Location format instead of by Acts. IMHO, YMMV, ect. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. that's the way I orginally had it setup before spenc uploaded his thing :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't look at the history. It just seems harder to read this way. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hey. Wasn't blaming ya. :) I gues I'll pick apart his summary and switch everything around. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We have most of the guides in act format since that's how the episode translates. While this may be easy to read, it also throws the order of the story out of whack. I figure we have to do this on a case-by-case given the number of scene shifts, so.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not so much scene shifts, but number of ''independent'' story lines. Sometimes, there are two different settings, but heavily intercut and dependent on each other. Like the stuff in "The Eye of Jupiter" and "Rapture". One the other hand, the Caprica, Kobol and Cylon story lines stand for themselves and can have an own section. That's how we always did it. Nothing new :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Nicky Cylon or Human ==

I wonder if this episode shows how the story hits on pure fiction rather than sci-fi with the case of Nicky being a cylon. Nicky is a boy, which would mean there has to be a Y chromosome. If Tyrol is truly a Cylon, then Cally could only have a female child. They stated earlier in the series that the skinjobs could not reproduce without human donors. Reading the sci-fi forums and original series (way back to deception to the Cylons/Baltar by Specter, and how the Beings of Light 'try' not to interfere) may provide a spoiler to what is to come next from this episode if it stays on the sci-fi side. If it goes fiction, maybe it be worth noting what made Nicky a boy and a cylon before someone yells "that's not sci-fi!" (The Science Note: women can reproduce women without men in genetic experiments of fertilization, but women do not carry/make the Y chromosome to reproduce a male.) (Podcast note: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:Frak_Party_Q_and_A#hybridnick]) [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:They did not state anything about human donors. They stated that Cylons could not reproduce with each other, and could not reproduce with humans unless there was love. Cally and Tyrol love each other, imperfect as their marriage might be, so Nicky was conceived like Hera. No reason he shouldn't have a Cylon Y chromosome. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::RDM has stated the the final five are fundamentally different than the others, so what is know about the significant seven may not apply. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, what is known about the signficant seven doesn't rule it out. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, we can say that Nicky is fundamentally different when compared to Hera. The plot just grows more from this episode about them and brings questions, but the difference can be noted on the Nicky or Hera page. I was going to add something to the article, but I felt it was better to wait another episode. Thanks -- [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 03:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::For now, we don't know of any fundamental differences between Nicky and Hera yet. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Inappropriate use of Point of Order? ==

According to Robert's Rules of Order, a Point of Order is raised if the rules of order have apparently been broken. In this case, rules don't seem to have been broken, and Lee is really just interrupting to bring up his own issues (which could be construed as out of order). The closest motion that I could find is a Request for Any Other Privilege, which he would then use to try to bring up a more pressing issue, but this is still an iffy case. [[User:Ctetc2007|Ctetc2007]] 10:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Standing-up at the table is a request to yield. The one who has the floor is the one who can decide to yield the floor. If Lee continued without the floor being yielded to him, then it would be out of order. Notice that Lee does ask for the floor to yield. The point of order is to get the answer to yield the floor and to quiet everybody else that does not have the floor. Roslin immediately tabled the issue that Lee brought up. Lee sits down, and the floor is returned. He could have requested an immediate call to vote to handle the issue, but typically it would have to be by some disastrous or emergency situation to call to vote on non-agenda items. Why didn't he make that case at that time? [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Interesting Comments about Orion Sighting ==
The [http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/992976.html post] might be worth reading. Didn't know about the [[w:Ophiuchus |thirteenth sign]] until now. Any astrophysicists on board to judge this info? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:This is a great little read (the link above). Even the bit about the Cylons of Greece (an aditional link once there). I was wondering, has anyone seen/made a super-speculative galactic map of where the fleet might be? especially now that with being able to pin point the rough neighbourhood the fleet is now in.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 12:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:One thing about this - if the arguement in that article was accurate (in terms of which direction the Fleet s approaching from), the Sun would be a bright naked eye star in Orion (roughly about mag 3), and would be stick out like a sore thumb. However - in terms of proximity, ~25 L.Y. away would seem about right. -- [[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Monitoring Launch Tubes ==

The reason nobody notices the launch tubes being used is probably due to the Galactica's lack of automation. There's no central computer to track these things, and the over-worked state of Galactica's repair crew probably means that the logs that would track these things (assuming there's a counter at all) aren't being kept properly.

Of course, this doesn't explain why there wouldn't be guards.

— [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, at least they already established that nobody was paying attention to the launch tubes in last season's "[[Collaborators]]"... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poor Jammer. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

: This might be indeed a flaw by design, but one that they should have fixed after the first Cylon war. The Cylons boarded ships via airlocks and launch tubes and used them as weapon to vent the crew out of the ship. In such a situation the security team etc. should know where to look for the enemy. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, would YOU want to guard the launch tubes? 99% of the time you'd just be standing there in an empty control room (at least at night), not to mention the fact that since there are quite a few launch tubes, you'd be tying up a significant number of personnel doing so. It seems like it'd be easier in terms of manpower to have guards somewhere in the hangar deck (potentially in intersection of the hangar deck(s) and the interior of the ship). By guarding the choke points, you'd be covered against somebody coming from any of the launch tubes, and from the landing bay openings as well. Though obviously the biggest reason the launch tubes are untended are for dramatic purposes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Nobody said there had to be ''humans'' watching the launch tubes, you'd be 'watching' them electronically, just like building security monitors elevator movements. If they did that and logged all activity, they'd find out Cally's launch tube was spaced from the control room and know she didn't commit suicide. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, that Cally did not commit suicide is something that a good criminal investigator would find out anyway - Cally has to trigger the launch tube from inside by use this little key. This key should still be in the launch tube. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::True, but you know what happens when you put "machines" in charge of things... Closed circuit monitoring would of course be sensible. And if they wanted to get into all that, they could alter the logs and substitute in bogus footage, etc. When your conspiracy includes the Chief and the XO, there's not a lot of limits to what you could cover up. I guess they didn't want to get into that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think the Chief and the XO were in on this. And as to the key, wouldn't it be spaced too? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I meant more of the executions in Collaborators. As for the key, it'd probably be "locked" into place when turned to the activated position. That, or you'd be losing keys whenever you did that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Whenever you did what? Flushing a launch tube with yourself inside? How often does that happen? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::There are probably moving parts in the non-pressurized areas of the launch tube that need occasional maintenance. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I myself have decided to suspend disbelief on this particular issue. I find it fairly unbelievable that there isn't an automated system that would at least inform CIC that a "launch" had taken place. Also, this is a military ship on a war footing; I'm sure they have plenty of bored marines who could be patrolling the ship, especially sensitive areas like launch tubes and airlocks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 20:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well it kinda depends on how detailed the data is that arrives at CIC: they may know ''that'' the launch tube was flushed, but they may not be able to tell whether it was operated from the inside or the outside (which would be of little use outside murder investigations). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 20:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Taurus ==
Some observant individual has noticed that Taurus is visible in this Orion [http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taurusqv3.jpg screen cap] (Orion is still visible in the lower left), putting the Cylon fleet pretty close to Earth. Is this observation correct? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, that's just bull ;) -- [[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 20:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== Wired ==

''Wired'' credits the Battlestar Wiki for the photo they use for this blog, [http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/04/galacticas-thir.html Galactica's 'Ties That Bind' Is All Fraked Up].--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question about Nebula effects on the Callster ==

So this question was added to the questions section: ''Why did reaching the Ionian Nebula have such a negative effect on Cally (lack of sleep, depression)?''

The thing about this question is that it had nothing to do (directly) with the Ionian Nebula affecting Cally negatively... Galen Tyrol's the one that's been causing some of the problems since their marriage, as we've seen in "[[A Day in the Life]]", although the root problem is that they're both pretty incompatible, which came to a head pretty much after the revelation in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".

I'm bringing this up here because I removed the question earlier, but it was re-added, and instead of sparking an edit where the entire questions section was blanked (as was the case after I removed the question the first time), I figure I'd discuss it here first... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed. There is a time correlation obviously, but no causality. Unfortunately, these days some people are too quick to search for an outside explanation within the story and events, instead of looking at what the characters themselves go through. That just creates pointless implications. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Launch tube window ==

Has the reference to this been removed for a reason? I'm sure the article used to mention that there can't be a window in that location. (Did its illogical appearance really annoy anyone else as well?) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 10:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Still there. Last item in the Notes section. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Oops, my bad :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 12:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::*You know, it might just be an hallucination... Given that Cally was basically in an unstable state of mind, she might have just been imagining that there was a window there. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::*Actually, there is space between each tube, which is wide enough for a control room (at least). As Cally first approaches the tube, you see a shorter door on the right labeled "Launch Control". This is the area from which Tory ultimately vents Cally into space. If Launch Control does not run the full length of the tube, there would be an empty gap where a window could be placed. Plus, there should be more space between each tube, simply to ensure minimum separation between Vipers during simultaneous launch. If all Vipers launch at once, you don't want those suckers flying too close to each other. An examination of the blueprint ([[Galactica_(RDM)#Blue_prints_of_Galactica|click on link here]]) shows space between each tube. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 12:26, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Another constellation? ==

I think I've found another constellation, but I'm not sure how right I am and how appropriate it may be considering the repeats of Orion in later episodes.

When it was first mentioned that Orion ''may be'' in Cally's look out the window, I went to check it, but couldn't see Orion. However, around about where the reflection of Cally's cheek is, there is a group of stars I believe may be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux Crux] (also known as the Southern Cross, an important navigational constellation in the southern hemisphere). To the left of the cross (up when looking at the screen) are two bright stars, which may be the Pointers.

But there's a couple of problems. First is the later reappearance of Orion as a point of reference. Second is that the Pointers are too close together, but that issue can be circumvented by having The Fleet in a position where ''most'' of the stars line up but the Pointers appear closer together.

Am I on to something, or am I reading too much into the random dot patterns normally used for starfields ? [[User:Saberwyn|Saberwyn]] 10:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== Main image ==

Shouldn't the image be one w/Cally in it, since this was essentially her episode? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 20:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
: It could, but that'd be like switching around the seating arrangements on ''Titanic''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: See above. It used to be, and it really fits better than another generic Final Five picture, but using vertically aligned pictures is a bit problematic for the layout. Though cutting off a bit at the bottom would work. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm not against cropping or resizing portrait-oriented pictures in order to make it work for the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Weird Overdub / Name Change ==

In my universal-playback UK/Region 2 S4 boxset (white silver cover with red dress number 6) there's one really strange overdub which stick out like a sore thumb: in the early scene of Lee Adama's acceptance speech he says "And so I am honored to accept this appointment to the quorum in the hope that I can continue Delegate Cowan's courageous work on behalf of the people of Caprica and the Fleet." Except in this version the two words "Delegate Cowan's" are badly overdubbed with "Delegate Cowlin's", and the subtitles also say Cowlin's. Later on in the scene between Lee and Zarek, Lee says "I had some bills I wanted to discuss. Projects Delegate Cowan was pushing before she died. But they told me she wasn't in." Here the audio and subtitles both agree on Cowan. I was sort of hoping there'd already be some sort of explanation here. It's really quite obvious! Anyone know what's going on there? [[User:Jsbsgw|Jsbsgw]] 00:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

: Name changes and dialogue dubs are actually quite common.... I'll have to check the script, but it wouldn't be surprising if "Cowlin" was in the original shooting draft. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:It will be interesting to see if that's also done for the US DVDs or just the UK ones, though there shouldn't be such "major" differences. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Battlestar Wiki:Sandbox/He That Believeth in Me

2011-07-12T13:14:57Z

Dogger55: /* Gaffes */

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== Overview ==

: ''During a seemingly hopeless [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|battle]], [[Kara Thrace]] appears in a pristine [[Viper Mark II|Viper]], claiming that she has been to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] and can lead the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] there -- but the terminal [[Laura Roslin]] believes otherwise. Meanwhile, four of the so-called [[Final Five]] are forced to tackle the repercussions of their newfound nature, while [[Gaius Baltar]] discovers he has a [[Cult of Baltar|commune of nubile female cultists]] who believe him to be an agent of the [[God (RDM)|"one true God"]]. ''

: '''''Note''': This is part one of a two-part episode. See the episode, "[[Six of One]]," for the conclusion.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

* [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] are flying side-by-side, staring at each other across space. Lee is in a state of disbelief. Thrace rebukes his claim that her [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Maelstrom#Act 4|exploded]]. She says that she's found Earth, describes some of its attributes, as the [[CIC]] crew listens to the chatter.
* [[William Adama]], who is clearly emotional, demands that the ship be identified. [[Felix Gaeta]] does so, replying that the ship's recognition codes match, while [[Anastasia Dualla]] tries to get Lee on the comline. [[Karl Agathon]] notes that the woman's voice sounds like Thrace's. [[Laura Roslin]], recovered from her [[Crossroads, Part II|earlier headache]], states that it is likely a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] trick. Adama orders that the verification be duplicated, however Gaeta suddenly reports that more than 200 Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s are inbound. Adama orders that the Vipers and Raptor pickets engage the Cylons.
* Hearing the order, Thrace tells Lee not to lose her this time. "Not a chance," he replies, as both begin engaging the first wave of Raiders. Thrace blows the head off of one Raider splattering its blood over her Viper.
* [[Image:403 - Tigh scream, you scream, we all scream.jpg|thumb|[[Saul Tigh]] experiences a waking nightmare where he believes he shot [[William Adama]].]]Roslin reiterates her belief that Thrace's voice is a "Cylon trick". Gaeta reports that the Vipers have stopped the main Cylon thrust, but the reserves have broken through the line, and are headed to the Fleet. Adama tells [[Saul Tigh]] that he wants everything launched. Tigh hesitates, then experiences a vision where he pulls out a gun and shoots Adama in his right eye. However, he is awakened out of his waking-state "nightmare", as Adama continues to bark orders at him. He wants everyone who has "ever held a stick" up in the air. Unsure of what exactly happened, Tigh relays the order.
* [[Galen Tyrol]] is barking out orders on the [[hangar deck]]. Ensigns [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Samuel Anders]] arrive. En route to their ships, as Seelix goes off, Anders begins to vocally question whether or not he'll turn against "his own" after he launches. Tyrol tells him to "shut the [[frak]] up" and follow Tigh's lead: be the man he wants to be. During the pep-talk, [[Sharon Agathon]] approaches them, overhearing a snippet of the conversation. She asks who else would he be and then gives him advice to retain his cool out in the fray. She walks off to her Raptor; Anders is relieved that she didn't ferret him out, and hopes the other Cylons won't be able to either. Tyrol tells him to not give them the chance to find out, and tells Anders to get to his ship.
* [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Cult of Baltar|female admirers]], led by a woman named [[Jeanne]], escort Baltar through the ship, heading to a previously-abandoned compartment on the ship. En route, they pass by [[Charlie Connor]], who catches a glimpse of Baltar, even though Baltar is covered in a shawl.
* During the battle, a damaged Raider sprawls out of control and crashes into the ''[[Pyxis]]'', destroying the ship. Gaeta reports this and Roslin is shocked, saying that they've lost 600 souls. Roslin then inquires as to how the Cylons were able to find them. Tigh and [[Tory Foster]] exchange glances [[Crossroads, Part II#Act 4|again]]. Gaeta reports that the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s have launched 50 plus missiles. Half are headed towards the Fleet, the other half are headed towards ''Galactica''. Adama believes that ''Galactica'' can take the beating, but the Fleet would be wiped out by such an attack; he orders that all the missiles headed towards the Fleet be shot down.
* Anders launches and, still fearing that he may have Cylon programming yet to be turned on, begins summarizing his life. Seelix replies that he's jamming up the wireless, since he has the transmit button pressed down. Anders release the button and chastises himself. Cylon warheads begin striking ''Galactica''. Two missiles headed toward the Fleet strike the ''[[Zephyr]]'', damaging her. Seelix manages to destroy a warhead that would have struck ''[[Colonial One]]''. However, a Raider comes up from behind her and begins to pursue her. Anders comes up from behind the Raider, and attempts to take the Raider out, but his weapons have apparently seized. The Raider suddenly breaks off its attack on Seelix and confronts Anders. Instead of attacking, however, Raider performs some kind of scan on Anders using its red eye. Anders' iris in his right eye glows red and the Raider disengages.
*All the Raiders cease their attack and flock back to their baseships, which spin up their [[FTL]] drives, much to the confusion of the Colonials who know that the Cylons had them dead to rights.
* Adama orders that they take advantage of the opportunity they've been presented, ordering the fighters to cover their rear while the Fleet begins jump prep. Tigh asks why the Cylons withdrew, Foster replies that "maybe something's changed", referring to their newfound knowledge of being Cylons. Roslin asks what the "change" may be, but Tigh feigns ignorance.

=== Act 1 ===

* After the Fleet makes its first jump away from the Ionian Nebula, Baltar is being led to the women's enclave. [[Jeanne]] reassures him that he'll be safe as they approach a compartment previously dedicated to dry stowage. Connor and another male associate have followed the group to the compartment, but do not enter. In the compartment, Baltar enters a commune consisting mostly of young, nubile women and men, all primarily Caucasian. They look subserviently downward, unwilling to meet his gaze, until he comes across a shrine with glorified Christmas-lights. He merely looks around and mutters, "Right", in a state of semi-disbelief.
* Tyrol looks over Thrace's blood-covered, yet otherwise pristine Mark II Viper. As Thrace opens the cockpit, she tells Tyrol to develop her gun camera footage, claiming to have some great shots to show everyone. She asks for her post-flight checklist. Tyrol replies that she has none. Pilots who've landed start to approach Thrace and her Viper. Lee, who just landed, runs up and hugs her. From the walkway above the hangar bay, Tigh asks Adama if he believes in miracles. Adama replies in the negative. Anders follows Lee's suit, saying that he told everyone that she was too "frakking mean to kill". She notes Anders' apparel, learning that Anders has been trained as a Viper pilot, which she finds unbelievable. Thrace tells Adama that she found Earth. Adama replies with Marines, who are ordered to escort her to sickbay where [[Cottle]] will give her a complete examination. Thrace reveals that, from her point of view, she's been off the ship for six hours. Anders replies that it has been over two months since she died, which Lee confirms.
* [[Image:403 - God's presence.jpg|thumb|Baltar "feels" God's presence.]]In the commune, Jeanne tells Baltar that she's going to get her son, [[Derrick]], asking him not to go anywhere on the ship, since it isn't safe for him. Jeanne tells him that [[Tracey Anne]] will be with him to give him whatever he needs. Baltar claims that he's praying for Derrick, who is presently in ''Galactica's'' sickbay. When he asks about travel arrangements, Jeanne notes that security is too tight to smuggle him off ''Galactica''. Her fellow cultist, [[Paulla Schaffer]], adds that none of the other ships would have him. As they leave, [[Virtual Six]] in a red blouse appears to him. She asks why he is glum, given that he faced execution, yet was granted life. He replies that he's doomed to be stuck in a looney bin with a bunch of cultists. Virtual Six assures him that she hasn't brought him this far for nothing, then he begins to ask for a ray of hope for the future... Tracey Anne sees Baltar on his knees, appearing to pray. She finds the way he prays beautiful, not just some hollow ritual. She tells him that when she prays, she feels empty. Prompted by Six, Baltar claims that the Gods they worship are false and that there is only one true God, all the while she's copping a feel on him. As he explains how the gods were propagated by the "ruling elite" to suppress their knowledge of "the truth", she unbuttons his shirt. As he reveals that "there's only one God", Tracey Anne exposes her breasts to him. Assured that they are alone and the door is locked, she moves his hands to cup her breasts, where Tracey Anne asks him if he feels God's presence. "You know what," he replies glibly, "I think I do." Then they fornicate in the presence of the shrine.
* In Adama's quarters, Thrace is told that all her tests check out, and it appears she is human. She accuses them of thinking that she's a Cylon. Roslin, who is present with Tory Foster and Lee Adama, presses her for her story of how she found Earth. Thrace claims that she followed a [[Heavy Raider]] into the storm, taking some fire, then blacked out. When she came to, she was orbiting Earth, which she was able to identify from the descriptions in the [[Book of Pythia]]. Showing the pictures that were developed from her gun camera, she claims that the pictures are of Earth and her moon. Further, she claims to have been able to match the star configurations from what was seen in the [[Tomb of Athena]]<ref>In a deleted scene, Roslin states that only 4 of the star patterns matched, and 8 did not</ref>. Thrace claims that she doesn't know how she was able to find them at the Ionian Nebula. Roslin continues to press her for information. She replies that she turned the ship to a reciprocal heading, and later blacked out. She adds that she remembers a giant gas planet with rings. She also claims to have seen a comet. Roslin moves to questioning the time discrepancy. Thrace remains adamant that she found Earth, took the pictures, and was able to return to the Fleet.
* In the hangar bay, Tyrol shows Adama (who is accompanied by Roslin, Foster, Lee, and Tigh) the Viper Thrace returned in. He notes that, after it was cleaned up, the Viper is pristine, as if it came off the "showroom floor". Tyrol confirms that while the tail numbers match the one she flew out on, the ship is not the same one he's been repairing for years. Further, the navigational computer has no entries in it. Roslin tells Adama to put Thrace in the brig. Lee objects, asking about Cottle's test. Tigh grumpily replies that Cottle's test doesn't mean a thing, and also that Baltar's [[Cylon detector]] is a crock that failed to identify [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. <ref>Despite Tigh mentioning the Cylon detector, dialogue only states that Doctor Cottle compared Thrace's DNA with the one on record in her files (the same procedure he used with [[Bulldog]] in "[[Hero]]"). Baltar's Cylon detector, however, uses a more complex molecular analysis to generate a result.</ref> Adama ruefully notes that they're back at square one. Any one of them can be a Cylon, and they wouldn't know it until they had a bullet in their heads, or led the Fleet into an ambush. Roslin notes that something stopped the Cylons from destroying the Fleet, and she believes that Thrace is somehow responsible for it. Further, Roslin believes that Thrace was returned to them to pull them off their course. Lee notes that they don't have a course, since they weren't able to stay at the nebula. He posits that Thrace may very well be the "signpost" they've been looking for, but Roslin will have none of it.

=== Act 2 ===

* Baltar and Tracey Anne, both unclothed, are awakened by the presence of Jeanne and the cultists. Jeanne brings Derrick, who is ill with viral encephalitis and cannot be treated with medicines, and asks Baltar to pray for his recovery. Baltar says that Derrick has to be strong, and they have to be strong for him. Jeanne says that she didn't want Derrick to die in the [[sickbay]]. Baltar reiterates his claim that he prays for Derrick. Jeanne claims to know this, but adds that she believes that the "one true God" doesn't want Derrick to live. A wide-eyed, nutty Baltar cannot answer this question.
* In Tigh's quarters, the "[[frakr:Fantastic Four|Final Four]]" are assembled. Tigh inquires about the "[[The Music|frakking music]]", and everyone replies that they no longer hear it. Tyrol posits that it may have stopped upon discovering their true natures, but they still don't know for certain what it was. Anders recites his experience with the Cylon Raider scanning him. Even after Anders recalls the tale, they don't know what to make of the Cylons' sudden retreat, or Ander's inability to fire on the Raider. Tigh remains adamant that [[Racetrack]] was right: Anders had made a "dumb nugget mistake" by leaving the weapon safeties on. They broach the topic of being programmed to sabotage the Fleet, like [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. Tigh vociferously contends that Boomer did not know who she was; they do, and they silently agree to kill themselves before they do anything against the humans.
* Roslin visits [[Caprica Six]] in the brig. Roslin discusses the shared dream they experienced in the [[Opera House]], where Caprica saw more than she did. Roslin asks Caprica to help her with information regarding the Cylons known as the Final Five, since she wants to know if Kara Thrace is one of them. Caprica replies that they are programmed not to think of the Five, but notes that they are close since she can feel them.
* [[Image:Thrace's headache.jpg|thumb|Thrace experiences a headache...]]In the CIC, Thrace is reviewing star charts with Gaeta, who is clearly aggravated. Agathon notices Gaeta's behavior and relieves him. Thrace notes that no one believes her, since everyone seems to think she's a Cylon. In a conversation that begins to get heated, Adama overhears Thrace's reasoning that finding the star systems on their charts won't work. Thrace tells them that she can find the way to Earth by feeling it. She says that the more jumps they do away from their starting point (the Ionian Nebula), the harder it is for her to tell the road to Earth, given that they are going the wrong way. Adama dismisses Agathon. Adama reveals that Roslin's adamant that they continue the course laid before them by the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. As they execute another FTL jump, Thrace experiences a headache and says they're going the wrong way, and fears she may lose the feeling completely. She asks for them to go back to the nebula and while Adama would like to believe her, he can't go to Roslin and ask her to dismiss the writings of Pythia and the information derived from the supernova. Adama reveals that he's just "left her ship", noting that it is pristine, and asks her to explain that fact. She cannot, but swears to the Gods that she ''is'' Kara Thrace and that he can trust her on her intuition. Adama painfully replies that he can't afford to trust her, and she leaves with her marine escort.

=== Act 3 ===

* [[Image:Yet another frakking Adama talk.jpg|thumb|The Adamas reconcile... a tad.]]Lee and William Adama are watching Lee's gun camera footage of Thrace's death near the mandala. The elder Adama asks whether he should believe his heart or his eyes. Lee replies that he shares the same state of mind. Adama says he wants to believe Thrace, but notes that Roslin's right, and that the Cylons may be counting on Adama's belief. He adds that they'll follow Roslin's lead for the time being. Lee asks if Roslin's still staying in his father's quarters. Adama replies in the positive, noting that this is temporary until they can find quarters where she can wait for the remaining [[Doloxan]] treatments. Adama thanks Lee for suiting up during the fight. As an unspoken apology for an earlier heated discussion about Lee's integrity, Adama offers Lee his wings back. However, Lee notes that while he removed those for the wrong reasons, he's had feelers from the government, who have offered him a chance to do more than he ever could do in the cockpit. He feels that Baltar's trial was a "trigger", but he notes that he needs a change and move on. After an uncomfortable, solemn silence, Lee asks what would have happened had [[Zak Adama|Zak]] had been in the cockpit, and it was revealed that he were a Cylon, and always had been. He asks if they would still love him, but Adama does not answer the question.
* At the commune, Baltar watches over Derrick as Jeanne and the others sleep. He then makes a decision to leave, but before he does so, he returns and prays over Derrick. Baltar asks why God should choose to take an innocent life instead of his own, because he's failed so many people and brought so much grief on the human race, yet the boy has done nothing to sin against God. As he prays, the women wake up and stare at him. Jeanne also awakens and begins to cry softly, clearly touched by this display. After Baltar is done, he looks around and walks away.
* Later on, Baltar and Schaffer walk through ''Galactica'''s oddly empty corridors heading towards the officer's head. During the conversation, she says that they were all moved by Baltar's prayer. Baltar ruefully notes that it did no good, as Derrick's sickness has become worse. Schaffer tells Baltar that the prayer helped ensure that God looks after his immortal soul, which Baltar glibly snaps at. Baltar tells Schaffer that they shouldn't look at him for guidance, implying that they are young and easily misguided. Baltar inquires as to what they're doing in the head, in reply to which, she snaps out a straight razor which he uses to shave his beard. After he is fully shaven, Charlie Connor enters. He appears very cordial towards Baltar, addressing him as "Mister President", and despite Schaffer's urging, Baltar strikes up a conversation with Connor. Connor reveals that they met at [[Founders' Day]] on [[New Caprica]], where Baltar also met Kevin (his son) who told Baltar that he wanted to be president when he grew up. Baltar then asks after Kevin. Connor reveals that Kevin died at the hands of the [[New Caprica Police]] during the Cylon occupation. Schaffer heads towards the hatch, only to be restrained by an associate of Connor's (possibly [[Shaunt]]). As she's being restrained, Connor assaults Baltar and places the razor Baltar used to Baltar's throat. Connor orders Baltar to look at him; Baltar does so, wide-eyed.

=== Act 4 ===

[[Image:Connor attacks Baltar.jpg|thumb||right|[[Charlie Connor]] attacks [[Gaius Baltar]].]]
*Connor demands that Baltar scream. He wants to know if anyone would come after him. Meanwhile, Shaunt begins choking Schaffer to death. Baltar is brought to his knees. When Connor starts cutting into his throat, Virtual Six arises and asks if he was sincere in his prayer. He replies to Six that he is sincere, and begs that his life be taken. Connor is flummoxed at this. Schaffer manages to break free from Shaunt and breaks off a handle from a nearby floor washing bucket. She beats Shaunt with it, incapacitating him, then saves Baltar. She continues to beat Connor until Baltar stops her.
* En route to the commune, an exhilarated Schaffer says that she knew God wouldn't abandon Baltar and that she had felt his love course through her, giving her the power to smite his attackers. He ruefully retorts that there'd be less fighting next time, unless she wants to be brought up on murder charges.
* Baltar enters the enclave to discover that Derrick has fully recovered from his encephalitis. As the cultists look on at him, Six appears with a smirk on her face.
[[Image:Thrace and her gun.jpg|thumb||right|Thrace points a gun at Laura Roslin.]]
*In the [[memorial hallway]], Thrace notes to Anders that no one has removed her picture from the wall. Anders tells her to cut Adama and everyone some slack, since they are trying to figure out what happened to her. She tells Anders that she figured her experience of finding Earth was a dream. She begins theorizing about the logistics of her return aloud, speculating that the Cylons may have pulled her out of the soup and brainwashed her, or managed to clone her from parts that were extracted from her during her time in the Cylon baby [[farms]]. Anders disputes this, saying that if she were a Cylon, she's been one from the beginning. He professes his undying love for her, even if she may be a Cylon. She replies that he's more forgiving that she'd ever be, noting that if Anders were a Cylon, she'd kill him. After another jump, Thrace experiences another headache. She insists that the Fleet's going the wrong way. She claims that if she goes through one more jump, she'll lose the way. Anders offers her a bunk, but Thrace begins to believe that the only way to stop going the wrong way is to deal with Roslin. She incapacitates [[Brandy Harder|Harder]], while Anders knocks [[Allan Nowart]]'s gun aside before he can fire it. Thrace incapacitates Nowart as well. Anders asks what the hell she's doing. She asks where Roslin is, but Anders refuses to answer, so she knocks him out. Thrace takes out the marines guarding Adama's quarters, using a stun grenade<ref>Also known as a "flash bang", see the [[w:Grenade#Stun grenades|Wikipedia article about it]]</ref>. Roslin, who is sleeping in Adama's bunk, awakens to find Thrace approaching her. As Roslin stands, Thrace aims a gun at her head.

== Notes ==

=== General ===

* This season shows the first major change in the teaser titles since the series began. Instead of the "Cylons have a Plan" claim, the new titles show: "Twelve Cylon models. Seven are known. Four live in secret. One will be revealed."
* The gun Saul Tigh uses in his "nightmare" against [[William Adama]] is the same weapon that [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] shot Adama with in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
* The [[FTL]] jump at the end of the episode is an abbreviated version of the [[w:Vertigo zoom|Vertigo zoom]] effect, which has not been seen since the [[Miniseries]].
* The title is a reference to John 11:25-26, which says:
*: Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: '''he that believeth in me''', though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (King James Bible)
* In Baltar's conversation with [[Tracey Anne]], he reveals the name of one more of the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Gods]], [[Poseidon]], a God in the Greek pantheon.

=== Characters ===

* While Anders played for a professional Caprican [[pyramid]] team, he was (allegedly) born on [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] and enrolled in [[Noyce Elementary School]].
* Like everyone else, Tigh is unaware that the Cylon detector correctly identified Boomer as a Cylon, and that Baltar reprogrammed the detector to give only negative test results ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]").

=== Fleet ===
* The [[survivor count|population]] of the Fleet, which hasn't been revealed since "[[The Son Also Rises]]" (but is assumed to be around 41,398) is 39,698. 600 of those were people who died aboard the ''Pyxis'', the other 1,101 likely died on other ships during the attack. The survivor count also takes into account the return of Kara Thrace.
* The number of people killed, 1701, is a nod to the registry number of the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Enterprise|Enterprise]]'' from the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]]'' series. The number is seen again in "[[The Ties That Bind]]" on a [[weapons locker]] where the "[[Final Five|Fantastic Four]]" meet.
* As revealed in this episode's [[Podcast:He That Believeth In Me|podcast]], the ''[[Zephyr]]'' is not destroyed during the battle per [[Ron D. Moore]]'s request.

=== Production ===

*The title was first reported as "He That Believath In Me". Writer [[User:Ngarenn|Bradley Thompson]] [[BW:OC#Season 4 First Episode Title|confirmed]] that this was an unintentional misspelling.
* "He That Believeth In Me" and "[[Six of One]]" aired back-to-back as a two hour TV event in UK.
* As with Season 3's season opener, the length of this episode's teaser clocks near the 10 minute mark.
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] has been re-added to the opening credit roll, since her "stunt" removal in the episodes "[[The Son Also Rises]]" and the "[[Crossroads]]" two-parter. (Although she was credited in the end-credits for "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".)

=== Gaffes ===

* The stills from Thrace's gun camera footage incorrectly show ''Galactica'' as belonging to Battlestar Group 62. Given that ''Pegasus'' was in BSG 62, the production staff likely modified and re-used a graphic template from an earlier episode, but the incorrect number slipped past them.
* When Thrace's Viper appears at the end of "[[Crossroads, Part II]]", the pilot-callsign stencils below the cockpit are missing, but they are shown at the beginning of this episode and all subsequent shots.
* Moreover, in promotional photos for this episode, the tail number of Thrace's Viper is [[Viper 4267|4267NC]], the same Viper that [[Donald Perry|Chuckles]] used and died in during the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]". This number was digitally removed in the aired version to match the Viper that was destroyed in "Maelstrom": [[Viper 8757|Viper 8757NC]].
**As Tyrol first inspects Starbuck's Viper, the camera pans down the length of the Viper from nose to tail. The tail number is 4267NC when it comes into view, but quickly changes to 8757NC as the camera moves past the cockpit. When Tyrol is showing it to Roslin, Tory, Adama, Tigh and Apollo a few scenes later, the tail number remains as 8757NC, but reverts to 4267NC later in the scene when Apollo is standing on the ladder.
* Nobody notices that Thrace has much longer hair than when she disappeared, not even Thrace herself, claiming to have been gone for only six hours.

== Analysis ==

=== Gaius Baltar and his cult ===

* Baltar's cult is a cult-of-personality, where Gaius Baltar is seen by some humans as a messianic, mortal savior, in a parallel to the Cylon [[Hybrid]]'s designation of Baltar as "the chosen one." Further, no reason for this apparently sudden rise of the "Baltar cult" has yet been provided.
* While Baltar's appearance during Season 3 increasingly resembled that the classic image of Jesus Christ as bearded and long-haired, his messianic cult has him shave and cut his hair to shed this image. However, Baltar's new willingness to sacrifice himself for others has made him more of a Christ figure in action, even as he becomes less of one in appearance.
* Baltar's cult seems to have amassed a following comprising mostly of women who are Caucasian, well-fit, reasonably well-proportioned, and within the ages of 20 to 40. Further, the cult seems to be disturbingly similar to the "Manson Family" in this regard, although Baltar is more-or-less placed in the position as cult's spiritual leader.
* The cult is also hedonistic, verging on counter-cultural (the class-warfare against the Fleet's so-called "aristocracy"), cooperative, and religious. Apparently, the room is shared by all, and sexual intercourse with one another is implied as being common, as the cultists do not appear surprised that Baltar and [[Tracey Anne]] have engaged in intercourse.

===Baltar's Virtual Six===

* Baltar's [[Virtual Six]] seems to have reached an understanding about his sexual liaisons with other women. Where she once seemed jealous and hurt (as in "[[Colonial Day]]", despite professing that he could have sex with whoever he wanted because his heart belonged to her), she now seems much more at ease and even encouraging of his sexual liaison with Tracey Anne.
* Her wardrobe, however, has also undergone a change: where she formerly appeared almost exclusively in either a revealing red dress or in a swimsuit (during Baltar's visions of the two of them at his now-destroyed home on Caprica), in this episode she appears exclusively in a professional-looking suit of the same bright-red color as her old dress. Could this signify a change in how she perceives her relationship with Baltar? Although she has obviously harbored romantic feelings for him in the past, it is possible that she now perceives her role in a more professional and detached manner, and is choosing to put aside her own feelings in favor of guiding him down the path that God has laid out for him.

=== Ionian Nebula ===

* The Fleet-wide power-loss, and subsequent power recovery, remains unexplained.
* It is heavily implied that the Cylons now know that the Final Five are in the Fleet, given their rapid withdrawal during the battle.
* Further, it remains unexplained how the Cylons were able to track the Fleet to the nebula. They were either able to determine the Fleet's projected course, despite the efforts to use the ''Hitei Kan'' as a decoy, or found another way to track the Fleet.
* The battle within the nebula demonstrates that ''Galactica'' remains combat ready and able to engage Cylon basestars with all her weapons despite the damage suffered during the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. A visual effects shot of the warship following the battle shows one dorsal primary [[Battery|gun battery]] has been lost, likely during the impact that forces the crew in CIC to brace themselves. The port side water tank may also be destroyed, as there seem to be a large hole in the port side of the hull and the adjacent "ribs" are bent or destroyed.
*Despite Racetrack's claim in "[[Torn]]" that ''Galactica'' has more trained pilots than ships as result of the combination of the crews of both battlestars, this episode shows Admiral Adama pressing nuggets into action in order to have as many Vipers flying as possible. This suggests either Racetrack was exaggerating or speaking only about Raptor pilots; or that ''Galactica's'' Viper compliment is now very large after also taking in ''Pegasus'''s existing and newly-constructed Vipers.
** Tigh noted in "A Day in the Life" that Tyrol's crew had completed repairs on all ships, which could account for the surplus.
* The battle marks the first overt Cylon attack on the civilian fleet since before the settling of New Caprica, where the Cylons indicated they no longer wished to wipe out the Colonials.

=== Kara Thrace ===

* As to be expected, Kara Thrace's return is clouded in suspicion. Given the effects of time dilation she had experienced (six hours from her perspective, more than two months from the Fleet's), she may have experienced a form [[w:gravitational time dilation|gravitational time dilation]], given her proximity to the mandala phenomenon in "[[Maelstrom]]" and the hard deck.
* The "missing time" phenomenon and the lack of navigation data in the Viper's computer are similar to the [[w:Abduction phenomenon|abduction experiences]] that have been reported. Coincidentally, these experiences allege paralysis and "blinding light." Kara Thrace experienced the blinding light phenomenon in "Maelstrom" before her death, and her lack of control in pulling up her Viper from the hard deck does suggest a form of paralysis, or even distraction, whereby her mind was occupied and thus ignored the warnings from Lee Adama, et al.
* Her apparently strange trip through time and space may suggest a possible wormhole or spacial anomaly. If so, the inability of Adama, Roslin, and others to seriously consider this possibility again highlights the [[naturalistic science fiction]] aspect of the series (though the absence of Dr. Baltar's scientific expertise may also be a factor). Wormholes would be a phenomenon known to the Colonials, as Adama mentions them in "[[Sacrifice]]".
* Thrace has feelings of [[w:theophany|theophany]] before her death in "Maelstrom". Further, these feelings have somehow influenced her and manifested extra-sensory abilities that leads her to a [[w:Jeanne d'Arc|Jeanne d'Arc]]-ian crusade, believing that she can lead the Fleet to Earth.
* Thrace's headaches are likely similar in nature to [[Laura Roslin]]'s headache in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]" after arriving at the [[Ionian Nebula]]. After a jump is executed, Thrace experiences these headaches as well, however the headaches lead her to believe that they are further and further down the wrong path and away from Earth.

=== Thrace's claims ===

[[Image:Kara Thrace Reconnaissance Photos.png|250px|thumb|right|Gun camera footage of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]]]

* When speaking of her claim about [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], Thrace mentions the moon being "yellow", matching the description of Pythia. Earth's moon, when viewed from space, is a dull, pale yellowish brown. Her photo, taken from above the atmosphere, shows a slightly yellowish moon over a grayish planet with white flecks. However, the photographs are very desaturated - to the point of being black and white - and very likely don't represent the true colors.
* While initially believed that Thrace's "giant gas planet with rings" was any of the four [[w:Gas giant|Jovian]] planets ([[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[w:Saturn|Saturn]], notably), this is [[Faith|later disproved]].

=== The Final Five ===

* Given their animal-like nature, the biological Cylon Raiders are able to identify members of the Final Five, as [[Samuel Anders]] experiences during the Battle of the Ionian Nebula.
* Sharon Agathon and Caprica Six are incapable of identifying the Final Five models, even after they've been "activated," to use the term loosely.
* The episode does not delve too deeply into [[Tory Foster]] or [[Galen Tyrol]]'s reactions to their newfound natures, however this will doubtless be the case in future episodes. The episode centers around [[Saul Tigh]], who has become the ''de facto'' leader of the "Final Four," and [[Samuel Anders]].
* Saul Tigh begins to have nightmares in his waking state. He envisions pulling out a gun and killing Adama, harkening back to [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]]'s assassination attempt in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". In his nightmare, he shoots Adama in the right eye, the same eye Tigh lost during his torture on [[New Caprica]].

==== Samuel Anders ====

[[Image:Ander's red eye.jpg|thumb|Anders' eye responding to a Raider's IFF.]]

* During the battle, Anders maneuvers behind a Cylon Raider on Seelix's six, but fails to fire his guns. The Cylon Raider seems to sense something different about the chasing Viper and turns around to face it. The Raider's forward lid lowers to reveal its scanning red eye, reminiscent of when Raiders accessed the backdoor in Baltar's [[Command Navigation Program]] in the [[Miniseries]]. Its eye locks straight ahead at Anders, and after a moment Ander's right iris faintly flashes red in response to the Raider's [[IFF]] transponder. The Raider then raises its lid and breaks off, broadcasting its discovery to the rest of the attacking Cylon fleet, which disengages and retreats.
* There is no indication that Anders's inability to fire on the Cylon Raider is because of any technical problem with the Viper. His safeties remain engaged during the battle, which is figured to be one of two things in the episode: what [[Margaret Edmondson]] and Tigh chalk up as a "dumb [[nugget]] mistake," or what Anders suspects is subconscious Cylon programming.

=== Comparisons to the Original Series ===

* The episode shares many of the same concepts in common from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], particularly the mythology laid down in the Original Series's two-parter "[[War of the Gods]]". In that episode, it is revealed that there are greater forces at work in the universe: Count [[Iblis]], who is insinuated to have started the [[Thousand Yahren War]] that resulted in the [[Battle of Cimtar|Colonies' destruction]], and the "forces of good," the [[Beings of Light]] who [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] describes as being "guardians of the universe."
** Essentially, in "[[War of the Gods, Part II]]", [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] is killed by a bolt that Iblis meant for [[Sheba]]. After the encounter, Iblis is captured by the Beings of Light, as are Starbuck and Sheba, who leave the [[red planet]] with Apollo's cadaver in their [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|shuttle]]. Much like [[Kara Thrace]], Apollo comes back from the dead. While Thrace's resurrection has not yet been explained—this being one of the mysteries that drives the current season—Apollo is restored by the Beings of Light.
** Further, like Thrace, the three Warriors of the Original Series experience lost time, memory loss, and feelings of theophany. Additionally, they are given the coordinates to [[Earth (TOS)|Earth]], which are buried in their subconscious only to be awakened by a suggestion Adama makes to the three Warriors. On the other hand, Kara Thrace is given (allegedly) a feeling of extra-sensory perception, being able to "feel" her way to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* It should also be noted that the Beings of Light in the Original Series are capable of moving ships to different locations. In "[[Experiment in Terra]]", this is done to Apollo's ship as they move him well ahead of a patrol from ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]''. Blackouts and memory loss (such as those apparently exhibited by Thrace) also demonstrated in the Original Series's abduction and subsequent encounters with the Beings of Light.
* A potential abduction of Starbuck could relate to the Ship of Lights from the Original Series. These advanced humans evolved to state where they appear to be gods to the Colonials. Likewise, Count Iblis is their satanic counterpart who tries to seduce the Colonial fleet into submission, however, he can't triumph over these benevolent beings of "light," much the same way Lucifer cannot triumph over God in Christian traditions. To extrapolate the analogy further, the Final Five may be members of a benevolent, evolved line of humans who are watching over the Fleet, whereas the Significant Seven represent Count Iblis and the Devil.

== Questions ==

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* Did [[Samuel Anders]] make a "dumb [[nugget]] mistake" as [[Margaret Edmondson]] and Saul Tigh contend, or was it some form of programing that asserted itself?
* Where did Thrace get her pristine Viper?
* Why is the Viper's camera footage viable, yet nothing is found in the navigational records?
* Was Tigh or Tyrol ever tested by Baltar's Cylon detector before the apparent failure of Boomer's test made the Colonials decide it was useless?
* Would the test identify a Final Five Cylon? Would there be a difference before and after "activation"?
* How did the Cylon fleet locate the Colonial fleet in the Ionian Nebula?
* If Anders was supposedly born on Picon, why was he playing for the Caprica Buccaneers instead of the Picon Panthers?
* Were any other ships in the fleet destroyed or damaged in battle?
* Could the gun camera footage from Anders's Viper be used to expose him?

=== Answered Questions ===

* Does [[Charlie Connor]] survive the massive beating he experiences at the hands of [[Paulla Schaffer]]? ([[The Oath|Answer]])
* Is Kara Thrace the final Cylon? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion|Answer]])
* Are Thrace's claims about being to Earth true? ([[Revelations|Answer #1]], [[Sometimes a Great Notion|#2]])
* Why have the Significant Seven Cylons been programmed to not think of the Final Five? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* Can the Significant Seven identify the Final Five once they are able to bypass this imperative? ([[Revelations|Possible answer]])

== Official Statements ==

* ''Information from [[Ron Moore]]'s [[Podcast:He That Believeth In Me|podcast]]:''
** A scene was cut where either Anders himself or another crew member cuts off the cast of his leg, thus partially explaining the absence of the leg injury he sustained at the end of Season 3.
** Moore insisted that the ''[[Zephyr]]'' (which he just calls "the ring ship") not be destroyed, but only damaged, because he likes it very much.
** The rooms used by Baltar's cult are referred to as "Baltar's lair" by the writers.
** Moore says that Thrace's pristine Viper will play an important role later in the season.
** The writers are aware of Baltar's visual similarity to Jesus. While Moore admits that it helps to drive some things home, he points out that Baltar is not Jesus.

* ''[[Aaron Douglas]] (via [[w:Anthrax|Anthrax]]'s [[w:Scott Ian|Scott Ian]]) explains an ad-lib that was dropped from one of Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s scenes:''
:"I had the best adlib ever in the scene where Chief walks onto the hangar deck yelling for the [[nugget]]s. It didn't make it into the show. What did make it was something like “lets go nuggets! your momma's aren't going to save ya today” it is all adlib'd but one take I said, & this is pure gold, “drop your dicks and grab your sticks!” 5 seconds later [[Harvey Frand|Harvey [Frand]]] (producer) says from video village, “you can't say dicks on TV”. We had to do it again. Ha." <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://blogs.scifi.com/battlestar/scottian/2008/04/drop-your-dicks-and-grab-your.html|title=SCIFI.com - Scott Ian's Blog: Drop your dicks and grab your sticks!!|date=7 April 2008|accessdate=7 April 2008|last=Ian|first=Scott|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''[[Saul Tigh]] experiences a disturbing daydream:''
: '''[[William Adama]]:''' Saul. Saul! What the hell is wrong with you?
: '''Saul Tigh:''' Nothing, Bill. (Tigh pulls out a gun and aims it at Adama.) I've never felt better in my entire life. (Tigh shoots Adama through his right eye.)

* ''[[Galen Tyrol]] barks out orders:''
: '''Galen Tyrol:''' Get that [[Showboat]] bird in the tube. Where the [[frak]] are these [[nugget]]s? '''C'mon! Momma's not gonna save ya today! Let's go!''' You want to fly or not?

* ''[[Virtual Six]] talks to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]:''
: '''Virtual Six:''' Yesterday you were facing execution. Today, you're free. Why the long face?
: '''Baltar:''' Oh, gee, I don't know. From President of the Colonies to this... King of fools. Probably best to be hated by everyone than loved by this lot, doomed to live out the rest of my life in this looney bin. I don't know, that might have something to do with my rather savage mood swings.
: '''Virtual Six:''' Relax Gaius. Do you think I've brought you this far to let it end here?
: '''Baltar:''' I need encouragement. A ray of hope about the future. An inkling.
: '''Virtual Six:''' You've got me. I'm here for you.

* ''Lee Adama asks his father an uncomfortable set of questions:''
: '''Lee Adama:''' Dad, what if [[Zak Adama|Zak]] had come back to us in that Viper? If my brother had climbed out of that cockpit, would it matter if he were a Cylon? If he always had been? When all said and done, would that really change how we feel about him?

* ''Baltar's prayer for [[Derrick]]:''
: '''Gaius Baltar:''' Please God, I'm asking you this one last time, don't let this child die. Has he sinned against you? He can't have sinned against you. He's not even had a life yet. How can you take him and let me live... after all I've done? Really, if you want someone to suffer, take me. We both know I deserve it. I'm selfish and weak. I have failed so many people. I have killed. I'm not asking for your forgiveness, I'm just asking that you spare the life of this innocent child. Don't take him. Take me. Take me, take me, please.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Lukas Pummell]] as [[Derrick]]
* [[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edomondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Shaun Omaid]] as [[Shaunt]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Heather Doerksen]] as Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]] (credited as "Marine #2")

== External Link ==

*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] discusses the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=241#more-241

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== Citing issue ==

There is a problem with "Go Between, Inc.". Understandably they don't keep the data forever. Searching for "battlestar" now only yields results for "[[Six of One]]". The data for "[[Razor]]" and this episode is gone. So the cite is kinda pointless. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
: Ran into something like this with [[New Caprican loco weed]] ... the Sci-Fi thread where some of the "Also known as" names came from disappeared. Maybe we should note in the cite "info no longer available"? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:04, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
::Better to remove the cite if we can't back it up (and delete the article, if necessary). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:44, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Deleting the article because the cite isn't available anymore, would be an overreaction though. All other BSG sites still list this (even if we have more stringent citation standards). I'd prefer somehow indicating that the site isn't available anymore. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:25, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
: I agree with Serenity, but of course I'm an inclusionist. The data did exist. Perhaps there is a Google cache (or other website cache) of it still available. I notice the date it was retrieved is part of the cite, I think that is a good thing. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 07:21, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::If it's still in the Google cache, we could copy it to Sources:Go Between or something like that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:52, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I would recommend checking the [http://www.archive.org/ Internet Archive]. --[[User:Fjenkins|Fjenkins]] 02:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Keeping in mind we're not a news source, perhaps it would be better to make a ''screen capture'' of such information to make a permanent source copy on BS Media that cannot expire. The capture as well as the tenuous article sourcing can be removed later once we get more firm sourcing. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:15, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::::That would be feasible. Unless someone has a better idea, that might be the best. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:24, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Excellent idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:26, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

== Update ==

Mark Verheiden reports on his [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2007/08/bsg-update-next.html blog] that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson are writing this episode. I've updated the article accordingly. Also, he reports that officially the production numbers for Razor are 401 and 402, and Season 4, Episode 1 is going to be 403. --[[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 10:51, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
:I don't think writers need to be cited, though we can add a footnote if anyone feels the need. I'll add the production number, though seeing this as episode 1 of Season 4 still makes sense. Production numbers can be very confusing. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
::Currently, [[400]] and [[4.00]] redirect to [[Razor]], and [[401]] and [[4.01]] redirect to [[He That Believeth In Me]], a system that I think is more logical than the production numbers. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
:::Agreed. We just need to keep production and episode numbers apart. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:40, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

== Space Park Damaged etc ==

Er, sorry but wheres the citation to support this spoiler? The only thing i've seen that would represent this, is a fan made trailer circulated around youtube, which featured the Battlestars Titan and Hades...whilst well done, everything barring some leaked footage of starbuck, is done entirely on a home computer by the looks of it...so i say again, where did this spoiler appear from? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 23:17, 31 January 2008 (CST)
: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkYvXmD94e0&feature=related Here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:47, 1 February 2008 (CST)
::I dont like the way this season is going...i wasn't particularly enamoured with the whole 'final 5' story either...oh well, i guess they just ran out of steam :( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 16:01, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::Any one notice that [[Scylla]] was in the fleet towards the end of the battle.--[[User:CoreyDanian|Corey Danian]] 15 May 2008 11.23 pm (CST)

==SciFi ep?==
I am currently on the West Coast and it's 12:02pm, yet I cannot find anywhere on the SciFi website where the episode is streaming. It says it is there, but I don't see a link. Any ideas?[[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 19:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:It was 12pm EDT and 9am PST :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 19:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Callsigns==
Diana Seelix and Sam Anders' callsigns are mentioned as "Longshot" and "Hardball", I just can't figure out which is which. Anyone know what's what? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't recall hearing those callsigns, but Seelix has been confirmed as Hardball since as far back as October. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 02:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:: "Longshot" isn't Anders' callsign... He mixed up the callsigns when he was trying to cover [[Tally]]... The video for the entire episode is [[He That Believeth In Me/Watch|here]] if you want to check it out. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh. Now I've got that. The first two times I must have thought that "Tally" was jargon. He must have one, of course. Where does "Hotshot" come from? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Now someone entered that Athena called Anders "C-Buck" on his article. That can only happen during their scene on the hangar deck, but I don't hear anything like that. She says. "Hey rook. Stay cool out there, alright. You'll lock on/in and do what you've been trained to do. Come on." -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I was listening out for callsigns and the like. I have never heard "C-Buck" once in the episode... The only time that "C-Bucks" ever come up is way back in "Exodus". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Wait, "tally" *is* pilot jargon. What makes us so sure that it's a callsign? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I am still listen to the episode sound. I recorded that section so I can play it back over and over and I am trying to take out the ambient noise. I will let you know what I come up with. (This is what having a powerfull computer can do!) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because he clearly corrects himself after saying the first callsign... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ok. I have listened to it. After further review I hear "Longshot, '''Tally'''. I got your back". Directly afterwards I can hear crystal clear that Anders says "Selix, you got a raider on your back." So going back to how sub sections communicate, "Conn. Weapons. Estimated time to 1SQ is 15 mintues." (From Crimson Tide) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Here's what I heard of the wireless exchange between Seelix and Anders:
::::Seelix: Longshot, Hardball ... turkey right four low at three ... committing.
::::Anders: Longshot, I got the ... Tally! I've got your back.
:::IMO, the conversation goes
::::Seelix: Longshot (Anders), [this is] Hardball (Seelix) ... turkey (Cylon missile) right four low at three ... committing (engaging).
::::Anders: Longshot, I got the (he is either identifying himself, or winces because he realizes he just called Seelix by his own callsign and/or has trouble assembling proper fighter shorthand) ... Tally (I see your target)! I've got your back.
:::So I'd put my hat into Longshot being Anders's callsign. If there is indeed a third pilot with the callsign "Tally", you'd figure the pilot would have acknowledged over wireless.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 03:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, you've convinced me. Yeah, seems that "Longshot" is his callsign. Although, I would personally like more definitive proof before we proceed on that assumption, which shouldn't be a problem in the future episodes that are coming up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Besides, what's the point in giving someone a callsign ("Tally") that is identical to the popular jargon word used by pilots every now and then? It could cause some serious misunderstanding in the heat of a battle, which is usually fatal. I tend to agree with Joe's explanation. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 03:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::The explanation is Fred's, actually, not mine. Anyway, in regards to the whole "Longshot" thing, we should really play the wait-and-see approach and see if it comes up again in a future episode. Frankly, I don't feel that comfortable in what Anders has to say, particularly since his mind's not in the game, not to mention his lack of experience in general. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Seelix seemed in the game. Spike's quite right, giving the callsign "Tally" to someone could cause a fatal error. Too bad that we don't know if Anders will be back in the cockpit soon. He seems to go onboard that other ship from rumors/spoilers, the Demetrius. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::And "Longshot" just seems to make sense, with him being a professional Pyramid player and all.-- [[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 04:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I think we should wait until we get some confirmation. However, interpreting "Tally" as callsign always seemed specious to me. It can be interpreted either way, but as said, it's already a term for an enemy sighting and identification, and makes sense to be seen that way in the scene. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Makes me think of a comedic spin-off possibility: Battlestar! "''Roger that, Roger. What's the vector, Victor? Request clearance, Clarence.''" :) -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 16:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ooh! What luck! Was just rewatching some episodes for fun, because I'm a loser and episode 2x01 Scattered, shows Apollo using "tally" as pilot jargon. It happens when Apollo first sees the Cylon heavy raider.
::::::::::::Flyboy: What is that thing?
::::::::::::Apollo: I don't know, but whatever it is, it's bearing on Galactica. We gotta take it out.
::::::::::::Hotdog: Apollo, Hotdog defensive. Three right, five at two.
::::::::::::Apollo: Tally! Hotdog, Kat, on me.
:::::::::::Now that we know that "tally' is part of the acknowledged jargon of Battlestar, I don't think they would give any pilot that callsign. -- [[User:Yenguyen|Yenguyen]] 11:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Good catch Yen! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well, not to detract from his point, but we knew that all along. It's not just used in "Scattered". Its first appearance is probably "The Hand of God" -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yep, Hand of God, Scattered, and Maelstrom. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ah, yes. But the last time I searched for "tally" on the wiki, the page with military jargon didn't come up. So boo on you! :P -- [[User:Yenguyen|Yenguyen]] 16:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it works now though. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 20:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Could have to do with our outsourcing searching to Google. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I really feel that Longshot is confirmed as Anders callsign by this scene. It's not vague, knowing how pilots speak. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

==Thrace's claims discussion==

Alpha Centauri's triple star system contains 1 star, Proxima Centauri, which is a 'flare star', capable of changing its luminosity in seconds (more akin to the flashing behaviour described by Starbuck). Another interesting factor is that the name of the constellation, Centaurus, refers to the half-man, half-horse mythological figure, which is also the figure represented by Saggitarus (the statue on the tomb of Athena on which the Arrow of Apollo was placed to reveal the path to Earth).
Although the triple stars of Alpha Centauri cannot be seen from Earth neither it is possible to see the rings of the outer solar system's planets. What seems more likely is that Starbuck saw both the rings and the triple star on her way back to the Ionian Nebula.

-- [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 16:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The original page formerly included a reference to the moon being "charcoal grey" from space, insinuating that the photos were inconsistent with observed reality. This is not the case, nor is her dialog incorrect.

This mistaken belief stems largely from ignorance of the true color of objects in our solar system. The moon is not, despite what we see in the sky, grey and white. It is a dull mix of browns, rusts, and yellows. It could easily be described as "yellow" when viewed from space and in partial illumination from the Sun. The moon has an albedo of 0.12 (in other words, it is a relatively ''dark'' body), and only appears in the highly desaturated shades we see it due to the intensity of sunlight reflecting off it. See this real-color image for a visual: [http://cwx.prenhall.com/bookbind/pubbooks/chaissonat4/chapter1/medialib/image/g_earth_moon.jpeg].

Kara's comment was spot on. Also, our star is not really yellow--it is very close to 6500K white, but appears exaggeratedly yellow due to the same Rayleigh scattering that makes the sky blue.-- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 05:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:As you say, the moon is always seen brightly lit by the sun (or not lit at all) and an Astronaut in space would not observe a different colour from what we see on the ground. However, you also in your edit removed the note about the fact that the particular picture used in the show being, quite oddly, a partially eclipsed moon, with the lower half shaded and no sharp terminator. Any reason why you removed that note? It's a rather unusual choice by the graphics team to use a real or simulated partially eclipsed moon, it seems they had some goal in mind with that.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 19:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::An astronaut in space would indeed see a different color from what we see on the ground. See the image linked in my earlier comment. Also poke around the NASA website for astronaut's reports from the moon landings. I believe it was Alan Shepard (maybe David Scott) who called it "mousy brown". As for the "partially eclipsed" moon, take a closer look at the screen cap. It's not being eclipsed, it appears to be an upside-down waning gibbous moon heading into the last quarter. The perspective appears off because the Moon orbits the ecliptic and the curvature of the earth is off-plumb in the picture. -- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 12:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Gotta say I disagree. I've seen and photographed many regular and eclipsed moons, and in a regular waning gibbous, the terminator is nowhere near that soft. And take a closer look, the curvature is the wrong way for the terminator and the right way for an umbra. I have no idea why they used an eclipsed moon here, but that's what we have. Show me a picture of a non-eclipsed moon, from space, that looks remotely like this.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 19:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::::The curvature is deceptive, given that the screen cap shows a curved piece of paper with an off-plumb perspective. It tracks quite closely with this: [http://www.billionsandbillions.com/GibbousMoon.html], again, upside-down. In this cycle, from this orbital perspective, the moon is rising from behind the earth. It is not being eclipsed. -- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 09:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I'm pretty skilled in astronomy and those two pictures look nothing alike to me. The normal moon picture has a sharp terminator. It's a quarter moon with linear terminator. In a gibbous moon, the terminator would be curved down in Starbuck's picture. Another thing wrong with the picture is the moon is less than 1/3 as bright as the Earth when viewed together, but I will leave that to photoshop. The lunar terminator is always sharp. Starbuck's photo has a gradual fade to orange, which is only seen in a partial lunar eclipse.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Update: I pasted together 4 moons -- Thrace's picture, your gibbous, a partial lunar and a total lunar. Her moon looks nothing like the gibbous, and most like the total but the brightness would be way off. The curvature of the terminator is the big clue. I have no idea why the graphics artists sourced a moon in eclipse for this photo, but they seem to have. [http://www.templetons.com/etc/galacticamoons.jpg Four Moons]--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::I disagree and think you are massively overanalyzing the image from the art department. First, you're locked into ground-based thinking. Desaturate a photo of the moon from space and the terminator softens. A true lunar eclipse has a distinct double-gradient, which the image lacks. Further, even if we accept the possibility that the art department intended the moon to be in eclipse instead of simply artistic license for a photograph with mere seconds of screen time, such eclipses occur 5 to 7 times per year. Without knowing the year, the significance of the moon's position/condition is low. The purpose of the photo is to identify with the audience--which it does, by approximating the configuration of the mare. It is interesting speculation, but is not notable for the main page.--[[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 11:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I would appreciate it if, before removing text that is under discussion, you waited to have the discussion first and see if there is consensus. Removal of other people's text is different from adding your own. While we obviously disagree on what a terminator looks like, I am not interpreting what's the use of an eclipsed image means, simply documenting it. If I'm wrong, there is no great harm. If it turns out to be significant you're removing material because your interpretation is different. We haven't seen any other opinions yet, so please be courteous in a two-person disagreement. If you have a photo of a terminator from space that looks anything like Starbuck's photo, you may offer it, but please restore my text until you do and others agree with you. Also note that no matter how much the terminator may "soften" from a particular view it never turns and becomes convex on a 3/4 moon!--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 07:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::The issue isn't the discussion. It's the fact that there's no reason to believe it to be significant, whatever the phase or transit status of the Moon. It is no more worth mentioning than the fact that the sky was grey when they landed on Earth. Leaving it in amidst the text doesn't make any sense. It's a throwaway photo used by Starbuck to show that she's been to Earth. The audience is meant to see the surface features of the moon and recognize it as our Moon. If it turns out to be significant, it can be added. There is no corroborating evidence of any kind, no mention in dialogue, and not even a rational theory that hinges on the significance of the shadow on the Moon. When doing any writing of this sort, what ''not'' to include is as important as what gets included. It's cruft. If there is any evidence to suggest it means something, please, share it. Also note that I don't agree with your assessment of a convex terminator. There's no consensus that an eclipse is depicted or intended. -- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 04:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I fully agree. But what you'll find a lot on the forums these days, and to a lesser extends on BS Wiki, is that people over-analyze everything these days and read supposedly hidden clues into just about ''anything''; be it props or the smallest lines of dialogue. Sure, there is some foreshadowing and sometimes props do have significance ("Maelstrom" has several cases of that). But sometimes a thing is just a thing. And with regards to Starbuck's voyage, there was a lot of misdirection and complete misinterpretation. Like the whole gas-giant/Jupiter thing. Though that at least was fully intented by the writers. It's a matter of taste. For me (and probably you), speculation has a place here unless it's completely unfounded, while others want to have everything added. I think this is a case where adding it later, if it does gain significance, is better. As it's now, it just suggests something that isn't necessarily there. Especially since it's presented more as scientific fact than supposition. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I am not proposing speculation. It was one line that I believe was documenting something, not speculating on why or what it means. It may simply be a graphic artist's mistake or special touch, and we document those. I have not suggested any meaning for it. We're here to document. The mysteries of Earth and the final Cylon are the two central mysteries of the show; I think it highly appropriate to document all we notice relating to these. If you really think it's a matter of great dispute what the moon looks like, it could be written as "The shadow pattern on the moon is unusual, to some it is more consistent with a partially eclipsed moon than a normal 3/4 moon." If it means nothing it means nothing but an unsual artistic choice. If it means something (and I really have no idea what) it would be an error not to document it. But I'm done. This is not that important, other than to my judgement that the right thing for a wiki like this is to document in detail things that relate to the show's central mysteries. One can do that without fanwanking about what they mean.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 06:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::To document ephemera without meaning is to miss the point of documenting in the first place. Reporting it ''at all'' is an assertion of significance. The ambiguous visual details of a few frames, without evidence or a theory of relevance, are not significant and just waste space. Including a throwaway detail because some''one'' feels that it might be significant to ''something'' would seriously degrade the quality of a documentary work. Without any theory or evidence, it's interesting speculation, and nothing more. If it becomes meaningful, it can be documented. I am unsure what the issue was. -- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 03:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[w:Iron Man (film)|Iron Man]] special preview? ==

Worth noting or no? Since it's not really relevant to the episode itself but the airing thereof..--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 03:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
: Not really worth noting. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== Galactica Damage ==

Could anyone sort out some screenshots of the the damage done to Galactica please? :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 08:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== No caring to the destruction of ''Pyxis'' and 1700 lives lost ==

You know the exact moment the Act 1 began, no one at all cared for the destruction of ''[[Pyxis]]'' or the 1700 lives lost in the battle. It wasn't even mentioned in the next few episodes. I've noticed that these sort of things get swept under the rug often. ''Cloud Nine'' was in that category, same with ''Adriatic'' and ''Carina''. They really should've done something in the episode to include these deaths and not completely focus on Starbuck's return. [[User:CoreyDanian|Snr. Lt. Corey "Shadow" Danian (got promoted despite being 19)]] 03:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Mining ship destroyed? ==

Did anyone notice in the scene as Seelix destroyed the missile bound on ''Colonial One'' that multiple missiles were bound for a mining ship and just as it was about to hit, ''Colonial One'''s bulk got in the way and the missiles were almost bound to hit the ship.--[[User:CoreyDanian|Senior Lieutenant Corey N. "Shadow" Danian]] 02:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== Edit to 'Gaffe' section ==

I deleted the last entry in the "Notes\Gaffe" Section. See the entry and the reasons for deletion [[User_talk:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr.#Not_sure_this_is_a_gaffe|here]].
:[[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 18:32, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

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== Overview ==

: ''During a seemingly hopeless [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|battle]], [[Kara Thrace]] appears in a pristine [[Viper Mark II|Viper]], claiming that she has been to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] and can lead the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] there -- but the terminal [[Laura Roslin]] believes otherwise. Meanwhile, four of the so-called [[Final Five]] are forced to tackle the repercussions of their newfound nature, while [[Gaius Baltar]] discovers he has a [[Cult of Baltar|commune of nubile female cultists]] who believe him to be an agent of the [[God (RDM)|"one true God"]]. ''

: '''''Note''': This is part one of a two-part episode. See the episode, "[[Six of One]]," for the conclusion.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

* [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] are flying side-by-side, staring at each other across space. Lee is in a state of disbelief. Thrace rebukes his claim that her [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Maelstrom#Act 4|exploded]]. She says that she's found Earth, describes some of its attributes, as the [[CIC]] crew listens to the chatter.
* [[William Adama]], who is clearly emotional, demands that the ship be identified. [[Felix Gaeta]] does so, replying that the ship's recognition codes match, while [[Anastasia Dualla]] tries to get Lee on the comline. [[Karl Agathon]] notes that the woman's voice sounds like Thrace's. [[Laura Roslin]], recovered from her [[Crossroads, Part II|earlier headache]], states that it is likely a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] trick. Adama orders that the verification be duplicated, however Gaeta suddenly reports that more than 200 Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s are inbound. Adama orders that the Vipers and Raptor pickets engage the Cylons.
* Hearing the order, Thrace tells Lee not to lose her this time. "Not a chance," he replies, as both begin engaging the first wave of Raiders. Thrace blows the head off of one Raider splattering its blood over her Viper.
* [[Image:403 - Tigh scream, you scream, we all scream.jpg|thumb|[[Saul Tigh]] experiences a waking nightmare where he believes he shot [[William Adama]].]]Roslin reiterates her belief that Thrace's voice is a "Cylon trick". Gaeta reports that the Vipers have stopped the main Cylon thrust, but the reserves have broken through the line, and are headed to the Fleet. Adama tells [[Saul Tigh]] that he wants everything launched. Tigh hesitates, then experiences a vision where he pulls out a gun and shoots Adama in his right eye. However, he is awakened out of his waking-state "nightmare", as Adama continues to bark orders at him. He wants everyone who has "ever held a stick" up in the air. Unsure of what exactly happened, Tigh relays the order.
* [[Galen Tyrol]] is barking out orders on the [[hangar deck]]. Ensigns [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Samuel Anders]] arrive. En route to their ships, as Seelix goes off, Anders begins to vocally question whether or not he'll turn against "his own" after he launches. Tyrol tells him to "shut the [[frak]] up" and follow Tigh's lead: be the man he wants to be. During the pep-talk, [[Sharon Agathon]] approaches them, overhearing a snippet of the conversation. She asks who else would he be and then gives him advice to retain his cool out in the fray. She walks off to her Raptor; Anders is relieved that she didn't ferret him out, and hopes the other Cylons won't be able to either. Tyrol tells him to not give them the chance to find out, and tells Anders to get to his ship.
* [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Cult of Baltar|female admirers]], led by a woman named [[Jeanne]], escort Baltar through the ship, heading to a previously-abandoned compartment on the ship. En route, they pass by [[Charlie Connor]], who catches a glimpse of Baltar, even though Baltar is covered in a shawl.
* During the battle, a damaged Raider sprawls out of control and crashes into the ''[[Pyxis]]'', destroying the ship. Gaeta reports this and Roslin is shocked, saying that they've lost 600 souls. Roslin then inquires as to how the Cylons were able to find them. Tigh and [[Tory Foster]] exchange glances [[Crossroads, Part II#Act 4|again]]. Gaeta reports that the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s have launched 50 plus missiles. Half are headed towards the Fleet, the other half are headed towards ''Galactica''. Adama believes that ''Galactica'' can take the beating, but the Fleet would be wiped out by such an attack; he orders that all the missiles headed towards the Fleet be shot down.
* Anders launches and, still fearing that he may have Cylon programming yet to be turned on, begins summarizing his life. Seelix replies that he's jamming up the wireless, since he has the transmit button pressed down. Anders release the button and chastises himself. Cylon warheads begin striking ''Galactica''. Two missiles headed toward the Fleet strike the ''[[Zephyr]]'', damaging her. Seelix manages to destroy a warhead that would have struck ''[[Colonial One]]''. However, a Raider comes up from behind her and begins to pursue her. Anders comes up from behind the Raider, and attempts to take the Raider out, but his weapons have apparently seized. The Raider suddenly breaks off its attack on Seelix and confronts Anders. Instead of attacking, however, Raider performs some kind of scan on Anders using its red eye. Anders' iris in his right eye glows red and the Raider disengages.
*All the Raiders cease their attack and flock back to their baseships, which spin up their [[FTL]] drives, much to the confusion of the Colonials who know that the Cylons had them dead to rights.
* Adama orders that they take advantage of the opportunity they've been presented, ordering the fighters to cover their rear while the Fleet begins jump prep. Tigh asks why the Cylons withdrew, Foster replies that "maybe something's changed", referring to their newfound knowledge of being Cylons. Roslin asks what the "change" may be, but Tigh feigns ignorance.

=== Act 1 ===

* After the Fleet makes its first jump away from the Ionian Nebula, Baltar is being led to the women's enclave. [[Jeanne]] reassures him that he'll be safe as they approach a compartment previously dedicated to dry stowage. Connor and another male associate have followed the group to the compartment, but do not enter. In the compartment, Baltar enters a commune consisting mostly of young, nubile women and men, all primarily Caucasian. They look subserviently downward, unwilling to meet his gaze, until he comes across a shrine with glorified Christmas-lights. He merely looks around and mutters, "Right", in a state of semi-disbelief.
* Tyrol looks over Thrace's blood-covered, yet otherwise pristine Mark II Viper. As Thrace opens the cockpit, she tells Tyrol to develop her gun camera footage, claiming to have some great shots to show everyone. She asks for her post-flight checklist. Tyrol replies that she has none. Pilots who've landed start to approach Thrace and her Viper. Lee, who just landed, runs up and hugs her. From the walkway above the hangar bay, Tigh asks Adama if he believes in miracles. Adama replies in the negative. Anders follows Lee's suit, saying that he told everyone that she was too "frakking mean to kill". She notes Anders' apparel, learning that Anders has been trained as a Viper pilot, which she finds unbelievable. Thrace tells Adama that she found Earth. Adama replies with Marines, who are ordered to escort her to sickbay where [[Cottle]] will give her a complete examination. Thrace reveals that, from her point of view, she's been off the ship for six hours. Anders replies that it has been over two months since she died, which Lee confirms.
* [[Image:403 - God's presence.jpg|thumb|Baltar "feels" God's presence.]]In the commune, Jeanne tells Baltar that she's going to get her son, [[Derrick]], asking him not to go anywhere on the ship, since it isn't safe for him. Jeanne tells him that [[Tracey Anne]] will be with him to give him whatever he needs. Baltar claims that he's praying for Derrick, who is presently in ''Galactica's'' sickbay. When he asks about travel arrangements, Jeanne notes that security is too tight to smuggle him off ''Galactica''. Her fellow cultist, [[Paulla Schaffer]], adds that none of the other ships would have him. As they leave, [[Virtual Six]] in a red blouse appears to him. She asks why he is glum, given that he faced execution, yet was granted life. He replies that he's doomed to be stuck in a looney bin with a bunch of cultists. Virtual Six assures him that she hasn't brought him this far for nothing, then he begins to ask for a ray of hope for the future... Tracey Anne sees Baltar on his knees, appearing to pray. She finds the way he prays beautiful, not just some hollow ritual. She tells him that when she prays, she feels empty. Prompted by Six, Baltar claims that the Gods they worship are false and that there is only one true God, all the while she's copping a feel on him. As he explains how the gods were propagated by the "ruling elite" to suppress their knowledge of "the truth", she unbuttons his shirt. As he reveals that "there's only one God", Tracey Anne exposes her breasts to him. Assured that they are alone and the door is locked, she moves his hands to cup her breasts, where Tracey Anne asks him if he feels God's presence. "You know what," he replies glibly, "I think I do." Then they fornicate in the presence of the shrine.
* In Adama's quarters, Thrace is told that all her tests check out, and it appears she is human. She accuses them of thinking that she's a Cylon. Roslin, who is present with Tory Foster and Lee Adama, presses her for her story of how she found Earth. Thrace claims that she followed a [[Heavy Raider]] into the storm, taking some fire, then blacked out. When she came to, she was orbiting Earth, which she was able to identify from the descriptions in the [[Book of Pythia]]. Showing the pictures that were developed from her gun camera, she claims that the pictures are of Earth and her moon. Further, she claims to have been able to match the star configurations from what was seen in the [[Tomb of Athena]]<ref>In a deleted scene, Roslin states that only 4 of the star patterns matched, and 8 did not</ref>. Thrace claims that she doesn't know how she was able to find them at the Ionian Nebula. Roslin continues to press her for information. She replies that she turned the ship to a reciprocal heading, and later blacked out. She adds that she remembers a giant gas planet with rings. She also claims to have seen a comet. Roslin moves to questioning the time discrepancy. Thrace remains adamant that she found Earth, took the pictures, and was able to return to the Fleet.
* In the hangar bay, Tyrol shows Adama (who is accompanied by Roslin, Foster, Lee, and Tigh) the Viper Thrace returned in. He notes that, after it was cleaned up, the Viper is pristine, as if it came off the "showroom floor". Tyrol confirms that while the tail numbers match the one she flew out on, the ship is not the same one he's been repairing for years. Further, the navigational computer has no entries in it. Roslin tells Adama to put Thrace in the brig. Lee objects, asking about Cottle's test. Tigh grumpily replies that Cottle's test doesn't mean a thing, and also that Baltar's [[Cylon detector]] is a crock that failed to identify [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. <ref>Despite Tigh mentioning the Cylon detector, dialogue only states that Doctor Cottle compared Thrace's DNA with the one on record in her files (the same procedure he used with [[Bulldog]] in "[[Hero]]"). Baltar's Cylon detector, however, uses a more complex molecular analysis to generate a result.</ref> Adama ruefully notes that they're back at square one. Any one of them can be a Cylon, and they wouldn't know it until they had a bullet in their heads, or led the Fleet into an ambush. Roslin notes that something stopped the Cylons from destroying the Fleet, and she believes that Thrace is somehow responsible for it. Further, Roslin believes that Thrace was returned to them to pull them off their course. Lee notes that they don't have a course, since they weren't able to stay at the nebula. He posits that Thrace may very well be the "signpost" they've been looking for, but Roslin will have none of it.

=== Act 2 ===

* Baltar and Tracey Anne, both unclothed, are awakened by the presence of Jeanne and the cultists. Jeanne brings Derrick, who is ill with viral encephalitis and cannot be treated with medicines, and asks Baltar to pray for his recovery. Baltar says that Derrick has to be strong, and they have to be strong for him. Jeanne says that she didn't want Derrick to die in the [[sickbay]]. Baltar reiterates his claim that he prays for Derrick. Jeanne claims to know this, but adds that she believes that the "one true God" doesn't want Derrick to live. A wide-eyed, nutty Baltar cannot answer this question.
* In Tigh's quarters, the "[[frakr:Fantastic Four|Final Four]]" are assembled. Tigh inquires about the "[[The Music|frakking music]]", and everyone replies that they no longer hear it. Tyrol posits that it may have stopped upon discovering their true natures, but they still don't know for certain what it was. Anders recites his experience with the Cylon Raider scanning him. Even after Anders recalls the tale, they don't know what to make of the Cylons' sudden retreat, or Ander's inability to fire on the Raider. Tigh remains adamant that [[Racetrack]] was right: Anders had made a "dumb nugget mistake" by leaving the weapon safeties on. They broach the topic of being programmed to sabotage the Fleet, like [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. Tigh vociferously contends that Boomer did not know who she was; they do, and they silently agree to kill themselves before they do anything against the humans.
* Roslin visits [[Caprica Six]] in the brig. Roslin discusses the shared dream they experienced in the [[Opera House]], where Caprica saw more than she did. Roslin asks Caprica to help her with information regarding the Cylons known as the Final Five, since she wants to know if Kara Thrace is one of them. Caprica replies that they are programmed not to think of the Five, but notes that they are close since she can feel them.
* [[Image:Thrace's headache.jpg|thumb|Thrace experiences a headache...]]In the CIC, Thrace is reviewing star charts with Gaeta, who is clearly aggravated. Agathon notices Gaeta's behavior and relieves him. Thrace notes that no one believes her, since everyone seems to think she's a Cylon. In a conversation that begins to get heated, Adama overhears Thrace's reasoning that finding the star systems on their charts won't work. Thrace tells them that she can find the way to Earth by feeling it. She says that the more jumps they do away from their starting point (the Ionian Nebula), the harder it is for her to tell the road to Earth, given that they are going the wrong way. Adama dismisses Agathon. Adama reveals that Roslin's adamant that they continue the course laid before them by the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. As they execute another FTL jump, Thrace experiences a headache and says they're going the wrong way, and fears she may lose the feeling completely. She asks for them to go back to the nebula and while Adama would like to believe her, he can't go to Roslin and ask her to dismiss the writings of Pythia and the information derived from the supernova. Adama reveals that he's just "left her ship", noting that it is pristine, and asks her to explain that fact. She cannot, but swears to the Gods that she ''is'' Kara Thrace and that he can trust her on her intuition. Adama painfully replies that he can't afford to trust her, and she leaves with her marine escort.

=== Act 3 ===

* [[Image:Yet another frakking Adama talk.jpg|thumb|The Adamas reconcile... a tad.]]Lee and William Adama are watching Lee's gun camera footage of Thrace's death near the mandala. The elder Adama asks whether he should believe his heart or his eyes. Lee replies that he shares the same state of mind. Adama says he wants to believe Thrace, but notes that Roslin's right, and that the Cylons may be counting on Adama's belief. He adds that they'll follow Roslin's lead for the time being. Lee asks if Roslin's still staying in his father's quarters. Adama replies in the positive, noting that this is temporary until they can find quarters where she can wait for the remaining [[Doloxan]] treatments. Adama thanks Lee for suiting up during the fight. As an unspoken apology for an earlier heated discussion about Lee's integrity, Adama offers Lee his wings back. However, Lee notes that while he removed those for the wrong reasons, he's had feelers from the government, who have offered him a chance to do more than he ever could do in the cockpit. He feels that Baltar's trial was a "trigger", but he notes that he needs a change and move on. After an uncomfortable, solemn silence, Lee asks what would have happened had [[Zak Adama|Zak]] had been in the cockpit, and it was revealed that he were a Cylon, and always had been. He asks if they would still love him, but Adama does not answer the question.
* At the commune, Baltar watches over Derrick as Jeanne and the others sleep. He then makes a decision to leave, but before he does so, he returns and prays over Derrick. Baltar asks why God should choose to take an innocent life instead of his own, because he's failed so many people and brought so much grief on the human race, yet the boy has done nothing to sin against God. As he prays, the women wake up and stare at him. Jeanne also awakens and begins to cry softly, clearly touched by this display. After Baltar is done, he looks around and walks away.
* Later on, Baltar and Schaffer walk through ''Galactica'''s oddly empty corridors heading towards the officer's head. During the conversation, she says that they were all moved by Baltar's prayer. Baltar ruefully notes that it did no good, as Derrick's sickness has become worse. Schaffer tells Baltar that the prayer helped ensure that God looks after his immortal soul, which Baltar glibly snaps at. Baltar tells Schaffer that they shouldn't look at him for guidance, implying that they are young and easily misguided. Baltar inquires as to what they're doing in the head, in reply to which, she snaps out a straight razor which he uses to shave his beard. After he is fully shaven, Charlie Connor enters. He appears very cordial towards Baltar, addressing him as "Mister President", and despite Schaffer's urging, Baltar strikes up a conversation with Connor. Connor reveals that they met at [[Founders' Day]] on [[New Caprica]], where Baltar also met Kevin (his son) who told Baltar that he wanted to be president when he grew up. Baltar then asks after Kevin. Connor reveals that Kevin died at the hands of the [[New Caprica Police]] during the Cylon occupation. Schaffer heads towards the hatch, only to be restrained by an associate of Connor's (possibly [[Shaunt]]). As she's being restrained, Connor assaults Baltar and places the razor Baltar used to Baltar's throat. Connor orders Baltar to look at him; Baltar does so, wide-eyed.

=== Act 4 ===

[[Image:Connor attacks Baltar.jpg|thumb||right|[[Charlie Connor]] attacks [[Gaius Baltar]].]]
*Connor demands that Baltar scream. He wants to know if anyone would come after him. Meanwhile, Shaunt begins choking Schaffer to death. Baltar is brought to his knees. When Connor starts cutting into his throat, Virtual Six arises and asks if he was sincere in his prayer. He replies to Six that he is sincere, and begs that his life be taken. Connor is flummoxed at this. Schaffer manages to break free from Shaunt and breaks off a handle from a nearby floor washing bucket. She beats Shaunt with it, incapacitating him, then saves Baltar. She continues to beat Connor until Baltar stops her.
* En route to the commune, an exhilarated Schaffer says that she knew God wouldn't abandon Baltar and that she had felt his love course through her, giving her the power to smite his attackers. He ruefully retorts that there'd be less fighting next time, unless she wants to be brought up on murder charges.
* Baltar enters the enclave to discover that Derrick has fully recovered from his encephalitis. As the cultists look on at him, Six appears with a smirk on her face.
[[Image:Thrace and her gun.jpg|thumb||right|Thrace points a gun at Laura Roslin.]]
*In the [[memorial hallway]], Thrace notes to Anders that no one has removed her picture from the wall. Anders tells her to cut Adama and everyone some slack, since they are trying to figure out what happened to her. She tells Anders that she figured her experience of finding Earth was a dream. She begins theorizing about the logistics of her return aloud, speculating that the Cylons may have pulled her out of the soup and brainwashed her, or managed to clone her from parts that were extracted from her during her time in the Cylon baby [[farms]]. Anders disputes this, saying that if she were a Cylon, she's been one from the beginning. He professes his undying love for her, even if she may be a Cylon. She replies that he's more forgiving that she'd ever be, noting that if Anders were a Cylon, she'd kill him. After another jump, Thrace experiences another headache. She insists that the Fleet's going the wrong way. She claims that if she goes through one more jump, she'll lose the way. Anders offers her a bunk, but Thrace begins to believe that the only way to stop going the wrong way is to deal with Roslin. She incapacitates [[Brandy Harder|Harder]], while Anders knocks [[Allan Nowart]]'s gun aside before he can fire it. Thrace incapacitates Nowart as well. Anders asks what the hell she's doing. She asks where Roslin is, but Anders refuses to answer, so she knocks him out. Thrace takes out the marines guarding Adama's quarters, using a stun grenade<ref>Also known as a "flash bang", see the [[w:Grenade#Stun grenades|Wikipedia article about it]]</ref>. Roslin, who is sleeping in Adama's bunk, awakens to find Thrace approaching her. As Roslin stands, Thrace aims a gun at her head.

== Notes ==

=== General ===

* This season shows the first major change in the teaser titles since the series began. Instead of the "Cylons have a Plan" claim, the new titles show: "Twelve Cylon models. Seven are known. Four live in secret. One will be revealed."
* The gun Saul Tigh uses in his "nightmare" against [[William Adama]] is the same weapon that [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] shot Adama with in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
* The [[FTL]] jump at the end of the episode is an abbreviated version of the [[w:Vertigo zoom|Vertigo zoom]] effect, which has not been seen since the [[Miniseries]].
* The title is a reference to John 11:25-26, which says:
*: Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: '''he that believeth in me''', though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (King James Bible)
* In Baltar's conversation with [[Tracey Anne]], he reveals the name of one more of the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Gods]], [[Poseidon]], a God in the Greek pantheon.

=== Characters ===

* While Anders played for a professional Caprican [[pyramid]] team, he was (allegedly) born on [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] and enrolled in [[Noyce Elementary School]].
* Like everyone else, Tigh is unaware that the Cylon detector correctly identified Boomer as a Cylon, and that Baltar reprogrammed the detector to give only negative test results ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]").

=== Fleet ===
* The [[survivor count|population]] of the Fleet, which hasn't been revealed since "[[The Son Also Rises]]" (but is assumed to be around 41,398) is 39,698. 600 of those were people who died aboard the ''Pyxis'', the other 1,101 likely died on other ships during the attack. The survivor count also takes into account the return of Kara Thrace.
* The number of people killed, 1701, is a nod to the registry number of the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Enterprise|Enterprise]]'' from the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]]'' series. The number is seen again in "[[The Ties That Bind]]" on a [[weapons locker]] where the "[[Final Five|Fantastic Four]]" meet.
* As revealed in this episode's [[Podcast:He That Believeth In Me|podcast]], the ''[[Zephyr]]'' is not destroyed during the battle per [[Ron D. Moore]]'s request.

=== Production ===

*The title was first reported as "He That Believath In Me". Writer [[User:Ngarenn|Bradley Thompson]] [[BW:OC#Season 4 First Episode Title|confirmed]] that this was an unintentional misspelling.
* "He That Believeth In Me" and "[[Six of One]]" aired back-to-back as a two hour TV event in UK.
* As with Season 3's season opener, the length of this episode's teaser clocks near the 10 minute mark.
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] has been re-added to the opening credit roll, since her "stunt" removal in the episodes "[[The Son Also Rises]]" and the "[[Crossroads]]" two-parter. (Although she was credited in the end-credits for "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".)

=== Gaffes ===

* The stills from Thrace's gun camera footage incorrectly show ''Galactica'' as belonging to Battlestar Group 62. Given that ''Pegasus'' was in BSG 62, the production staff likely modified and re-used a graphic template from an earlier episode, but the incorrect number slipped past them.
* When Thrace's Viper appears at the end of "[[Crossroads, Part II]]", the pilot-callsign stencils below the cockpit are missing, but they are shown at the beginning of this episode and all subsequent shots.
* Moreover, in promotional photos for this episode, the tail number of Thrace's Viper is [[Viper 4267|4267 NC]], the same Viper that [[Donald Perry|Chuckles]] used and died in during the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]". This number was digitally removed in the aired version to match the Viper that was destroyed in "Maelstrom": [[Viper 8757]].
**When Tyrol is showing Adama, Tigh and Apollo Starbuck's Viper, the first shot shows the tail number as 8757, the shot changes, and when it reverts back to the Viper, when Apollo is standing on the ladder, its tail number is 4267NC.
* Nobody notices that Thrace has much longer hair than when she disappeared, not even Thrace herself, claiming to have been gone for only six hours.

== Analysis ==

=== Gaius Baltar and his cult ===

* Baltar's cult is a cult-of-personality, where Gaius Baltar is seen by some humans as a messianic, mortal savior, in a parallel to the Cylon [[Hybrid]]'s designation of Baltar as "the chosen one." Further, no reason for this apparently sudden rise of the "Baltar cult" has yet been provided.
* While Baltar's appearance during Season 3 increasingly resembled that the classic image of Jesus Christ as bearded and long-haired, his messianic cult has him shave and cut his hair to shed this image. However, Baltar's new willingness to sacrifice himself for others has made him more of a Christ figure in action, even as he becomes less of one in appearance.
* Baltar's cult seems to have amassed a following comprising mostly of women who are Caucasian, well-fit, reasonably well-proportioned, and within the ages of 20 to 40. Further, the cult seems to be disturbingly similar to the "Manson Family" in this regard, although Baltar is more-or-less placed in the position as cult's spiritual leader.
* The cult is also hedonistic, verging on counter-cultural (the class-warfare against the Fleet's so-called "aristocracy"), cooperative, and religious. Apparently, the room is shared by all, and sexual intercourse with one another is implied as being common, as the cultists do not appear surprised that Baltar and [[Tracey Anne]] have engaged in intercourse.

===Baltar's Virtual Six===

* Baltar's [[Virtual Six]] seems to have reached an understanding about his sexual liaisons with other women. Where she once seemed jealous and hurt (as in "[[Colonial Day]]", despite professing that he could have sex with whoever he wanted because his heart belonged to her), she now seems much more at ease and even encouraging of his sexual liaison with Tracey Anne.
* Her wardrobe, however, has also undergone a change: where she formerly appeared almost exclusively in either a revealing red dress or in a swimsuit (during Baltar's visions of the two of them at his now-destroyed home on Caprica), in this episode she appears exclusively in a professional-looking suit of the same bright-red color as her old dress. Could this signify a change in how she perceives her relationship with Baltar? Although she has obviously harbored romantic feelings for him in the past, it is possible that she now perceives her role in a more professional and detached manner, and is choosing to put aside her own feelings in favor of guiding him down the path that God has laid out for him.

=== Ionian Nebula ===

* The Fleet-wide power-loss, and subsequent power recovery, remains unexplained.
* It is heavily implied that the Cylons now know that the Final Five are in the Fleet, given their rapid withdrawal during the battle.
* Further, it remains unexplained how the Cylons were able to track the Fleet to the nebula. They were either able to determine the Fleet's projected course, despite the efforts to use the ''Hitei Kan'' as a decoy, or found another way to track the Fleet.
* The battle within the nebula demonstrates that ''Galactica'' remains combat ready and able to engage Cylon basestars with all her weapons despite the damage suffered during the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. A visual effects shot of the warship following the battle shows one dorsal primary [[Battery|gun battery]] has been lost, likely during the impact that forces the crew in CIC to brace themselves. The port side water tank may also be destroyed, as there seem to be a large hole in the port side of the hull and the adjacent "ribs" are bent or destroyed.
*Despite Racetrack's claim in "[[Torn]]" that ''Galactica'' has more trained pilots than ships as result of the combination of the crews of both battlestars, this episode shows Admiral Adama pressing nuggets into action in order to have as many Vipers flying as possible. This suggests either Racetrack was exaggerating or speaking only about Raptor pilots; or that ''Galactica's'' Viper compliment is now very large after also taking in ''Pegasus'''s existing and newly-constructed Vipers.
** Tigh noted in "A Day in the Life" that Tyrol's crew had completed repairs on all ships, which could account for the surplus.
* The battle marks the first overt Cylon attack on the civilian fleet since before the settling of New Caprica, where the Cylons indicated they no longer wished to wipe out the Colonials.

=== Kara Thrace ===

* As to be expected, Kara Thrace's return is clouded in suspicion. Given the effects of time dilation she had experienced (six hours from her perspective, more than two months from the Fleet's), she may have experienced a form [[w:gravitational time dilation|gravitational time dilation]], given her proximity to the mandala phenomenon in "[[Maelstrom]]" and the hard deck.
* The "missing time" phenomenon and the lack of navigation data in the Viper's computer are similar to the [[w:Abduction phenomenon|abduction experiences]] that have been reported. Coincidentally, these experiences allege paralysis and "blinding light." Kara Thrace experienced the blinding light phenomenon in "Maelstrom" before her death, and her lack of control in pulling up her Viper from the hard deck does suggest a form of paralysis, or even distraction, whereby her mind was occupied and thus ignored the warnings from Lee Adama, et al.
* Her apparently strange trip through time and space may suggest a possible wormhole or spacial anomaly. If so, the inability of Adama, Roslin, and others to seriously consider this possibility again highlights the [[naturalistic science fiction]] aspect of the series (though the absence of Dr. Baltar's scientific expertise may also be a factor). Wormholes would be a phenomenon known to the Colonials, as Adama mentions them in "[[Sacrifice]]".
* Thrace has feelings of [[w:theophany|theophany]] before her death in "Maelstrom". Further, these feelings have somehow influenced her and manifested extra-sensory abilities that leads her to a [[w:Jeanne d'Arc|Jeanne d'Arc]]-ian crusade, believing that she can lead the Fleet to Earth.
* Thrace's headaches are likely similar in nature to [[Laura Roslin]]'s headache in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]" after arriving at the [[Ionian Nebula]]. After a jump is executed, Thrace experiences these headaches as well, however the headaches lead her to believe that they are further and further down the wrong path and away from Earth.

=== Thrace's claims ===

[[Image:Kara Thrace Reconnaissance Photos.png|250px|thumb|right|Gun camera footage of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]]]

* When speaking of her claim about [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], Thrace mentions the moon being "yellow", matching the description of Pythia. Earth's moon, when viewed from space, is a dull, pale yellowish brown. Her photo, taken from above the atmosphere, shows a slightly yellowish moon over a grayish planet with white flecks. However, the photographs are very desaturated - to the point of being black and white - and very likely don't represent the true colors.
* While initially believed that Thrace's "giant gas planet with rings" was any of the four [[w:Gas giant|Jovian]] planets ([[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[w:Saturn|Saturn]], notably), this is [[Faith|later disproved]].

=== The Final Five ===

* Given their animal-like nature, the biological Cylon Raiders are able to identify members of the Final Five, as [[Samuel Anders]] experiences during the Battle of the Ionian Nebula.
* Sharon Agathon and Caprica Six are incapable of identifying the Final Five models, even after they've been "activated," to use the term loosely.
* The episode does not delve too deeply into [[Tory Foster]] or [[Galen Tyrol]]'s reactions to their newfound natures, however this will doubtless be the case in future episodes. The episode centers around [[Saul Tigh]], who has become the ''de facto'' leader of the "Final Four," and [[Samuel Anders]].
* Saul Tigh begins to have nightmares in his waking state. He envisions pulling out a gun and killing Adama, harkening back to [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]]'s assassination attempt in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". In his nightmare, he shoots Adama in the right eye, the same eye Tigh lost during his torture on [[New Caprica]].

==== Samuel Anders ====

[[Image:Ander's red eye.jpg|thumb|Anders' eye responding to a Raider's IFF.]]

* During the battle, Anders maneuvers behind a Cylon Raider on Seelix's six, but fails to fire his guns. The Cylon Raider seems to sense something different about the chasing Viper and turns around to face it. The Raider's forward lid lowers to reveal its scanning red eye, reminiscent of when Raiders accessed the backdoor in Baltar's [[Command Navigation Program]] in the [[Miniseries]]. Its eye locks straight ahead at Anders, and after a moment Ander's right iris faintly flashes red in response to the Raider's [[IFF]] transponder. The Raider then raises its lid and breaks off, broadcasting its discovery to the rest of the attacking Cylon fleet, which disengages and retreats.
* There is no indication that Anders's inability to fire on the Cylon Raider is because of any technical problem with the Viper. His safeties remain engaged during the battle, which is figured to be one of two things in the episode: what [[Margaret Edmondson]] and Tigh chalk up as a "dumb [[nugget]] mistake," or what Anders suspects is subconscious Cylon programming.

=== Comparisons to the Original Series ===

* The episode shares many of the same concepts in common from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], particularly the mythology laid down in the Original Series's two-parter "[[War of the Gods]]". In that episode, it is revealed that there are greater forces at work in the universe: Count [[Iblis]], who is insinuated to have started the [[Thousand Yahren War]] that resulted in the [[Battle of Cimtar|Colonies' destruction]], and the "forces of good," the [[Beings of Light]] who [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] describes as being "guardians of the universe."
** Essentially, in "[[War of the Gods, Part II]]", [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] is killed by a bolt that Iblis meant for [[Sheba]]. After the encounter, Iblis is captured by the Beings of Light, as are Starbuck and Sheba, who leave the [[red planet]] with Apollo's cadaver in their [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|shuttle]]. Much like [[Kara Thrace]], Apollo comes back from the dead. While Thrace's resurrection has not yet been explained—this being one of the mysteries that drives the current season—Apollo is restored by the Beings of Light.
** Further, like Thrace, the three Warriors of the Original Series experience lost time, memory loss, and feelings of theophany. Additionally, they are given the coordinates to [[Earth (TOS)|Earth]], which are buried in their subconscious only to be awakened by a suggestion Adama makes to the three Warriors. On the other hand, Kara Thrace is given (allegedly) a feeling of extra-sensory perception, being able to "feel" her way to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* It should also be noted that the Beings of Light in the Original Series are capable of moving ships to different locations. In "[[Experiment in Terra]]", this is done to Apollo's ship as they move him well ahead of a patrol from ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]''. Blackouts and memory loss (such as those apparently exhibited by Thrace) also demonstrated in the Original Series's abduction and subsequent encounters with the Beings of Light.
* A potential abduction of Starbuck could relate to the Ship of Lights from the Original Series. These advanced humans evolved to state where they appear to be gods to the Colonials. Likewise, Count Iblis is their satanic counterpart who tries to seduce the Colonial fleet into submission, however, he can't triumph over these benevolent beings of "light," much the same way Lucifer cannot triumph over God in Christian traditions. To extrapolate the analogy further, the Final Five may be members of a benevolent, evolved line of humans who are watching over the Fleet, whereas the Significant Seven represent Count Iblis and the Devil.

== Questions ==

=== Unanswered Questions ===

* Did [[Samuel Anders]] make a "dumb [[nugget]] mistake" as [[Margaret Edmondson]] and Saul Tigh contend, or was it some form of programing that asserted itself?
* Where did Thrace get her pristine Viper?
* Why is the Viper's camera footage viable, yet nothing is found in the navigational records?
* Was Tigh or Tyrol ever tested by Baltar's Cylon detector before the apparent failure of Boomer's test made the Colonials decide it was useless?
* Would the test identify a Final Five Cylon? Would there be a difference before and after "activation"?
* How did the Cylon fleet locate the Colonial fleet in the Ionian Nebula?
* If Anders was supposedly born on Picon, why was he playing for the Caprica Buccaneers instead of the Picon Panthers?
* Were any other ships in the fleet destroyed or damaged in battle?
* Could the gun camera footage from Anders's Viper be used to expose him?

=== Answered Questions ===

* Does [[Charlie Connor]] survive the massive beating he experiences at the hands of [[Paulla Schaffer]]? ([[The Oath|Answer]])
* Is Kara Thrace the final Cylon? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion|Answer]])
* Are Thrace's claims about being to Earth true? ([[Revelations|Answer #1]], [[Sometimes a Great Notion|#2]])
* Why have the Significant Seven Cylons been programmed to not think of the Final Five? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
* Can the Significant Seven identify the Final Five once they are able to bypass this imperative? ([[Revelations|Possible answer]])

== Official Statements ==

* ''Information from [[Ron Moore]]'s [[Podcast:He That Believeth In Me|podcast]]:''
** A scene was cut where either Anders himself or another crew member cuts off the cast of his leg, thus partially explaining the absence of the leg injury he sustained at the end of Season 3.
** Moore insisted that the ''[[Zephyr]]'' (which he just calls "the ring ship") not be destroyed, but only damaged, because he likes it very much.
** The rooms used by Baltar's cult are referred to as "Baltar's lair" by the writers.
** Moore says that Thrace's pristine Viper will play an important role later in the season.
** The writers are aware of Baltar's visual similarity to Jesus. While Moore admits that it helps to drive some things home, he points out that Baltar is not Jesus.

* ''[[Aaron Douglas]] (via [[w:Anthrax|Anthrax]]'s [[w:Scott Ian|Scott Ian]]) explains an ad-lib that was dropped from one of Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s scenes:''
:"I had the best adlib ever in the scene where Chief walks onto the hangar deck yelling for the [[nugget]]s. It didn't make it into the show. What did make it was something like “lets go nuggets! your momma's aren't going to save ya today” it is all adlib'd but one take I said, & this is pure gold, “drop your dicks and grab your sticks!” 5 seconds later [[Harvey Frand|Harvey [Frand]]] (producer) says from video village, “you can't say dicks on TV”. We had to do it again. Ha." <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://blogs.scifi.com/battlestar/scottian/2008/04/drop-your-dicks-and-grab-your.html|title=SCIFI.com - Scott Ian's Blog: Drop your dicks and grab your sticks!!|date=7 April 2008|accessdate=7 April 2008|last=Ian|first=Scott|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''[[Saul Tigh]] experiences a disturbing daydream:''
: '''[[William Adama]]:''' Saul. Saul! What the hell is wrong with you?
: '''Saul Tigh:''' Nothing, Bill. (Tigh pulls out a gun and aims it at Adama.) I've never felt better in my entire life. (Tigh shoots Adama through his right eye.)

* ''[[Galen Tyrol]] barks out orders:''
: '''Galen Tyrol:''' Get that [[Showboat]] bird in the tube. Where the [[frak]] are these [[nugget]]s? '''C'mon! Momma's not gonna save ya today! Let's go!''' You want to fly or not?

* ''[[Virtual Six]] talks to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]:''
: '''Virtual Six:''' Yesterday you were facing execution. Today, you're free. Why the long face?
: '''Baltar:''' Oh, gee, I don't know. From President of the Colonies to this... King of fools. Probably best to be hated by everyone than loved by this lot, doomed to live out the rest of my life in this looney bin. I don't know, that might have something to do with my rather savage mood swings.
: '''Virtual Six:''' Relax Gaius. Do you think I've brought you this far to let it end here?
: '''Baltar:''' I need encouragement. A ray of hope about the future. An inkling.
: '''Virtual Six:''' You've got me. I'm here for you.

* ''Lee Adama asks his father an uncomfortable set of questions:''
: '''Lee Adama:''' Dad, what if [[Zak Adama|Zak]] had come back to us in that Viper? If my brother had climbed out of that cockpit, would it matter if he were a Cylon? If he always had been? When all said and done, would that really change how we feel about him?

* ''Baltar's prayer for [[Derrick]]:''
: '''Gaius Baltar:''' Please God, I'm asking you this one last time, don't let this child die. Has he sinned against you? He can't have sinned against you. He's not even had a life yet. How can you take him and let me live... after all I've done? Really, if you want someone to suffer, take me. We both know I deserve it. I'm selfish and weak. I have failed so many people. I have killed. I'm not asking for your forgiveness, I'm just asking that you spare the life of this innocent child. Don't take him. Take me. Take me, take me, please.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Lukas Pummell]] as [[Derrick]]
* [[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edomondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Shaun Omaid]] as [[Shaunt]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Heather Doerksen]] as Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]] (credited as "Marine #2")

== External Link ==

*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] discusses the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=241#more-241

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== Military Ranks ==

Just a few concluding remarks I don't blame you for what you did, where I in your position I would have done the same thing. The reason I didn't respond to Serenity's first post was because until yesterday I had been unable to figure out how. As far as fear of retribution, I've never really been involved with a wiki before so I wasn't really sure what to expect and was kind of intimidated. I appreciate you're addressing my issues. Not only did it help me understand why things were happening the way they were, but it also made me feel like my input was welcome and that was all I was asking for. I am anxious to see any clarification you can offer in the weeks ahead because I find this a rather fascinating topic.

Thanks again for the clarification. {{unsigned|Grandmaester314}}

== BG S4.1 in Latin America ==

In Latin America, Season Four of Battlestar Galactica airs on Saturdays and Sundays on [http://www.canalspace.tv Space].

== Dynamic Page List ==

Hi, I just checked all feature about BW and I didn't see the Dynamic Page List feature. Do you plan one day to install it because it's very useful?--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
: Perhaps. I'll talk with [[User:Shane|Shane]] about this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

=== Examples ===

Here are some examples I made for the Stargate Wiki FR:

* To see minor characters:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:LigneMineurs Automatic generation of a line with five stamps] using DPL with entry of the series, the season, and the first article sorted.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un/Page_1 Automatic generation of minor characters for the first page] with automatic sort by last name
**[http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un Automatic creation of minor character stamps page links] with automatic image update and automatic update of the first and the last character name of this page.
* To see objects:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Ligne Automatic generation of a line]. All you juste have to do is to put the correct category.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Armes Autogeneration of a page] with the famous lines.
* To resume objects in a bottom navigation bar:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Divers Nav bar] automaticaly updated (put the right category)

All you have to do with this kind or templates is to put the right category and DPL (with a purge) will do the rest. The main purpose of DPL is to avoid editing when the database can do the stuff for you. You don't have to edit an article or a template to update with new article of the same category. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== What about RFA and RFB for French BW ? ==

Hi Joe,

I'm on the verge to edit the policy for the french version of [[BW:RFA|Request for Admninship]] and [[BW:RFB|Request for Bureaucratship]]. I need your help for this two policies.
# Do I just translate the English version with the same vote system than the main site?
# Do I have to do it in another way?
# Is the principle of request the same than the main site?
Thanks for answering.--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: If you have any suggestions as to improve the policies in question, then that would work well. Until the French wiki has more contributors, I don't think the RFA and RFB are really going to work all that well, and so administrators are promoted on a case-by-case basis as determined by you, me, and Shane. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:: Until I design or translate all the templates needed and the main page, I think there will not be a lot of contributors. The main problem is the lack of French and French-speaking people who speak English fluently. French people are not very confortable with English, so it's very difficult for them to contribute unless they have seen the show and are fans. With your agreement, I will just create one page for RFA and RFB with the statement you said above (Shane, you and me). FYI, all the episodes of the [[Re-Imagined Series]] have been aired in France, and have been released in DVD format (I just saw the Season 4 Part 2 Set yesterday in a supermarket) . --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::: Understandable. And, yes, this works for me. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your hard work! It is certainly appreciated! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:::: Thanks for encouraging. ;-) -- [[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 17:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki Store (FR) and iTunes (FR) ==

Hi again,

I can see on the Support section of the sidebar many links to affiliates (like Amazon and iTunes). Can I (or not) create similar links to french Amazon and iTunes store with french official stuff from ''Battlestar Galactica'' Franchise? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: I'll have to look into it. So don't worry about it for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:: OK. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== German Battlestarwiki ==

For days, I have been trying to access the german Battlestarwiki - without success. Is it offline? Under maintenance?--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 17:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: I'm checking into it. I'll let you know when it's back online. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: It's back up. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you!--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 18:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

* Hello. I cannot look at articles with galleries. E.G. if I open http://de.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Pegasus_%28RDM%29 i cannot see the article. If I kill the gallery everything is alright. Whats the problem? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 16:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

: I'm looking into this right now and will get back to you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

:: Ok, it's working now. There was a conflict with one of the extensions and MW 1.16. I've disabled it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:14, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

::: Great, thank you. and can you tell me, where the mistake in this template is?: http://de.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Vorlage:Stammbaum --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 17:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::: No problem. As for the template: I would just port the english Familytree template over from scratch, and see if you get the same errors. I don't have the time to do it now, but I did put it on my to-do list. If you can't get to it, then I'll be able to do so after the Easter holiday. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:39, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::I will try it tomorrow or this evening, but I can remember, that I once copy and paste it from the german wikipedia site and it also doesnt work correctly. {{unsigned|Enabran}}
:::::: It's a complicated template. I know that [[User:Shane|Shane]] had problems porting it over as well... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:14, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I don't know anything about templates, but after hours of testing it seems to work :-) (maybe an easter wonder). As first attempt I created the [[de:Vorlage:Stammbaum zylonischer Evolution|german version]] of your [[Template:Cylon evolution tree|zylon tree]]. But I do not know why there is so much free space between the top and the first line. Maybe you can take a look at it? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 09:01, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

== Happy holidays ==

Hi Joe! Just wanted to say hi and happy holidays to you and yours. I am well, hope you are too. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Jeremy! Happy Holidays! I am doing well, and I'm glad to see that you are too! :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hah, I feel bad now. ==

Since I've joined here, the only thing I've been doing is tinkering with the Glare page. Now I feel bad that's all I've been doing. =/ I gotta help out for the reals, so do any pages need serious revision/are missing a lot of crap that I can help out with? --[[User:NeutraVega|NeutraVega]] 19:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

: Hi there! :D Sorry for the long delay in replying, but we had the database locked and the site moved to new servers, thus the delay. Anyway, we could use the most help on the [[Caprica pilot]] page and subjects relating to ''Caprica''. So if you'd like to start there, that'd be great. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

== Advertising and problem on media repository ==

Hi Joe and Happy New Year, 
As I already said to Shan, I can see that you succeed to bring back the wiki. Congratulations. I have two point to ask.
# I made a donation for the wiki to avoid advertising but I still have them on the screen, why? Thank you for your answer.
# On the media repository, I tried to upload an image. It is actually somewhere in the directory but the sofware is unable to create a thumbnail. It says that it cannot find the "convert" file on the server. So for now, it's impossible to add new images on the media repository.
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

: Happy New Year to you too! :D
: Anyway, I went ahead and upgraded your account to sponsor status, so you shouldn't see the ads. If you do, try logging in and out again. If that doesn't work, a hard refresh should clear the cache. As for the convert issue, I'll have Shane look into it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Thanks, I've no ads anymore. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Awesome! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
: Fixed the issue with the media repository as well. Cheers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

== InterBot and BS Pegasus ==

Hi Joe. 
1. It seems that [[:fr:User:InterBot|InterBot]] doesn't work because the interwiki link I made on the pages I created aren't duplicated on the other wikis. 
2. I don't have access to [http://www.battlestarpegasus.com/ BS Pegasus] either. It says it's forbidden. Is there any problem since the server transfer or something? 
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 21:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, Still doesn't work for both points. Do you have any answer for that please? Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry, I've been pretty busy. (Barely have had time to really work on the wiki, other than to greet the newcomers.) To answer your questions:
: 1. Shane needs to reprogram the InterBot. He hasn't had time to do that as he's been working on projects for Best Buy.
: 2. The BS Pegasus site is down. No ETA on when that'll be back up as it isn't priority. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Calendar dates on auction items ==

Hi Joe,

I expanded the [[Colonial calendar#Different Dating Methods]] section with information from a couple of auction items and noticed in the process that you wrote at least some of the blog entries at battlestarprops.com. Do you recall seeing any calendar items I haven't mentioned yet, and if so, could you point me to their pictures? It would also be nice to see a higher resolution scan of Socrata's medal of valor document, if one is available.

Regards,

-- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

: I honestly never really paid all that much attention to the dating thing, since it was all made up anyway. (''Star Trek'''s "stardate" system is a very good example of this, actually. It isn't until they did TNG that they really put thought into it.) There is very little consistency behind the dating on any of the paperwork; in television production, much of it is thrown together—some of it even at the very last minute—even taking into account the quality of BSG's paperwork being higher than other genre television series. It isn't until ''Caprica'' that they really tried to address the issue of the Colonial dating method, because it's simply not natural not to have characters ''not'' say "Hey Lacy, meet me for lunch on Saturday."

: As for photos of the stuff, the [http://archive.propworx.com Propworx archive] has photos of everything that's been auctioned through Propworx. I also know of a few fans who have won many paperwork documents from the BSG auctions (both live and via eBay) that have taken the time to scan them, but most of their work is on private boards and some prop replication communities. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The scans on that site have a much higher resolution and I already found a couple of items with supposed dates. I would like to document them in the article primarily to establish that there was no real system in the re-imagined series as opposed to ''Caprica''. Such random alphanumerics also suggest to the reader that the dates in Adama's dossier need not be correct necessarily (e.g. the year 20000+). -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 18:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== "pos" extended parser function ==

Hi Joe, I would like to ask if it is possible to add the "'''''pos'''''" Parser Function into the wiki, this will allow to do some research more easily (for example to do an action on pages with a certain text and not on the others). Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 12:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

: Do you have a link so I can check this out? I take it this is an extension to MW. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:: Check [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions this link] to see. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

::: It's now installed. I'd be interested to see how you use this. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 20:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:::: One example for the moment:
::::* The [[fr:Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite, 1re nuit|Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite]] template using [[fr:Modèle:Apparition]]. I use the '''''pos''''' to show the number of apparitions only on the Apparition page (condition) :
::::** When you see it inside the episode: [[fr:Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages|Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages]]
::::** When you see it inside the characters apparition page: [[fr:Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode#Battlestar Galactica|Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode]]. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== HTML activation ==

Hi Joe, I think the wiki has not the HTML function activated because I tried to import some Wikipedia template to adapt them to the wiki and those have htlm writing inside and it doesn't work. So, please, is it possible to activate html editing in the french wiki? Thanks a lot. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
: Which templates are affected? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[fr:Modèle:Infobox/Ligne mixte|This one]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Why not just use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables wikicode table syntax]? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: I tried it but there is an issue when you use a template using parser function inside another template using parser functions. It doesn't recognise at all a link (an image for an example) created by the template inside, it separates the link like a colspan. At least, is it possible to activate only the <code><nowiki><td><hr><tr></nowiki></code> tags? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: OK, I should get to activating those HTML tags sometime tonight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== SVG generation ==

Hi Joe, I hope you're fine, I've seen a little problem with the SVG generator. It doesn't work properly. Here is the message I get :

<code>Erreur lors de la création de la miniature : /usr/bin/rsvg: not found</code>

I think it's a missing file forgot during the transfer last december. Thank you for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

: It's that rsvg isn't presently installed on the new server. I'll send in a support request. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

:: Hi, Joe, Still doesn't work, sorry. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: Yeah, that's because I was sidetracked and neglected sending that support request. I've sent it in and hope to hear from someone in the next 48 hours. Sorry about that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: OK, they've installed it. All should be good now. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:::: YES, it's working. Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

::::: Hi Joe, I think I've a bit too quick to say Hurra. There is still a problem. There is no generation of image but instead of, we have the name of the file. See [[:fr:Modèle:Drapeau]] or [[:fr:Michael Rymer]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::: Looking into it now... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: I'd have to track down the exact error, since our server host doesn't supply tech support for MediaWiki (understandably so) an Shane is busy with projects. Of course, I have no time to do it right not until mid-October because I am committed to other projects right now. Would it be possible to use PNGs for the flags until we can get the SVG issue ironed out? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 01:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== removal of my question ==

Hi !

Yes, it was a real question : how could the pegasus avoid further contamination by the Cylon virus. Is this answered in future episodes ?

Why did you simply remove my question ?

Regards,
Nixab (new fan and new contributor here).

:I think it's a valid question, Joe, so I noted that the answer is in [[Razor]] and spelled it out in the [[Answered Questions from Season 2 (RDM)#Pegasus|Answered Questions from Season 2]]. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

: Fair enough, and I agree. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:11, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jupiter-class battlestar issue ==

I have a problem with your edit of my edit on the Jupiter class battlestar Galactica. The book I refered to is canon since it was written by the science advisor to BSG and sactioned by SyFy and Ron Moore. If yoiu prefer your wiki not to contain official information then that is fine and I will not bother to add any other information to your site. I will rely solely on official material such as this book. Cancel my membersip please.
Good Bye. {{unsigned|Lonewriter}}

: Please refer to [[BW:CITE#Acceptable_Sources|Acceptable Sources]], which list the sources of what makes something canon. Just because there is an error in a book sanctioned by Syfy Channel, does not mean it is automatically canon. As I've only started reading the book, I've already noticed errors (mostly with spelling, such as Cally's name), that raises a few doubts in my mind when it comes to how thoroughly the book was copyedited.

: As I believe I had explained, the episode that the writers of the book refer to ("Pegasus") does ''not'' make mention of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class. ''At all.'' So, they made a mistake, or improperly cited the source. (Now, if it came from the script for that episode, I can see that. We've used scripts as sources before.)

: Now, if Ron Moore or David Eick were to come out and say "well, they're right, ''Galactica'' is a ''Jupiter'' class" then we will certainly note that, and cite that it came from them. Furthermore, maybe I wasn't clear, but I'm not saying that we should throw out the reference at all, but '''it needs to be pointed out that the way the information is present is in ''direct contradiction to what viewers saw on screen.'''''

: Believe me, were this information aired in "Pegasus" fans would have eaten that up, just like they (we) ate up the whole ''Mercury'' class reference that Adama made before Cain boarded the ship. :)

: Now, as to your immature comment, it does suggest that you probably wouldn't be a good editor here, because you don't seem to understand how to critically analyze information, or the necessity of viewing all information with a critical eye. That's fine. There are people who simply don't have that ability. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, you don't have to use the site, at all. I hate to be disingenuous and brusque, but if you're going to use appeals to emotion instead of actually bothering to do the research (which I, and many, many fans have done over the past five-plus years) then you're welcome to leave and never look back.

: However, let me be particularly clear when I say this: what I have done is pointed out this error, which you've brought to our attention, so thank you for that. Now, if you want to act like a prima donna and storm off in a huff, then that's your call. You're more than welcome to stay, or you are more than welcome to leave. Ball is in your court. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== William Adama edits ==

I seem to find the spoiler tag formatting (I edit on wikipedia but we have nothing similar there) so I'm just going to be as vague as I can be and hope you understand. While reading over the spoilered info on William Adama's page that you recently added I realized that you have a character connection slightly off. If you check my edit history, you'll see I made a similar change on a related page. Hope that's enough for you to see what I meant (since I can't edit the Old Man's page). [[User:Millahnna|Millahnna]] 23:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

: Yes, I got what you meant! I'll make the correction now! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Duram's files at Propworx ==

Hi Joe,

Have you preserved alternate photographs of Duram's files which are now on eBay? The available photo makes Clarice's file halfway legible, but I'm curious what's in Amanda's and other files. I'm not planning on buying them though, since I'm only interested in the information, not in provenance. Even so, thanks for participating in the auctions — the photos have provided so much useful information that would've normally disappeared with the shows. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 22:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

: I'd have to ask Jarrod, since he's the one who oversees the Caprica auction stuff out in LA. (I'm not in LA, so I don't have easy access to this stuff myself.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== Reference in Template ==

What does putting the ref in break? I don't see anything unusual except that the 33 has to be bracketed to be a link. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

: Issue is that the brackets are printed out, and they really shouldn't be. I guess I'll have to modify the infobox template to deal with that. Basically a separate field that is only for references, like "|seenref=". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 00:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

== Affiliation ==

Hello would you like this wiki to affiliate with my independent wiki http://stargate-wiki.org/ ? [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 23:38, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

: Hi there, feel free to e-mail me directly at joe@frakmedia.net so we can talk about it more. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:44, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

Not sure if you got my email or not, anyway, would you prefer to join the SIWA Network (Scifi independent wiki alliance)? http://siwanetwork.webs.com Basically just lets more people interlink with these wikis and its always good to have more links to your site laying around. It costs nothing and we dont really ask for anything in return. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 06:35, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: Thank you for the offer, but I will decline. I really see no benefit for this wiki and its contributors in being a part of the SIWA Network. In fact, I feel that our inclusion would only be beneficial for you, seeing as we have a wide exposure. We've run into loose fan organizations like SIWA before, and frankly they are not worth the bandwidth that it takes to pull up the webpage. Our experience is that such things are not professionally run and are basically glorified fly-by-night operations operated by unprofessional, doe-eyed fans with unrealistic expectations. Nothing personal against you, it is just our experience. And, as for traffic and links, we've found that being a part of a glorified "webring" has no return on investiment. A majority of new traffic has always, and without fail, come from two sources: 1) word-of-mouth (forums and social networks), and 2) search engines. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:25, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

I had 22 new visitors to my site because of SIWA. Your loss i guess. Also it really doesn't make it less offensive when you call me: unprofessional, doe-eyed fan with unrealistic expectations then say no offence. Even you should see that. Well if you change your mind, let me know. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 11:56, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: And how many of those 22 people will stick around and contribute in the long-haul? Since there are so many Stargate wikis out there, those results aren't surprising... and, don't get your hopes up, as they will be short lived. Traffic from web rings and "alliances" is short-lived, and with extremely poor to negligible long-term ROI. I've been running websites for the last 15 years, so I am well aware of what I'm taking about.

: Furthermore, I was not making a personal attack against you: I was making a general observation about such organizations. However, since you are keen to make it about yourself: given your behavior in the past towards another member of this website (and bringing problems from an outside wiki to this Wiki directly and without provocation from us), I find ''that'' unprofessional. End of subject. Thank you for the offer, and have a splendid day. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:16, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

Wow, take it overboard much. I was going to link certain articles like actors other work here etc but because of that attitude, you can forget it [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 12:21, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: Your attitude and sour disposition are the problems here. After all, you were the one who [[User_talk:LIMAFOX76|brought outside problems from another website to this one]]. ''You'' initiated it here. ''You'' deliberately sought the user in question, tracked them to this website, and brought ''your'' problems to an open forum instead of taking it up with the user via e-mail. ''You'' involved us, and ''I'' put a stop to it. I have no ill will towards you personally, but your immature behavior here and your inability to properly deal with issues in a mature manner exemplifies why we are careful in associating with other organizations and websites.

: At any rate, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. Farewell. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:39, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

::Wow alcohol and wiki editing should never be mixed, i don't remember writing most of that. Back to my original idea of affiliation, one of your bsg wiki 'friends' perhaps. Many BSG actors have been on Stargate. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 01:21, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

::: We'll think about it, thanks. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:50, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

== Electronic smockers ==

Hi Joe, There is another giant spam attack on the repository by electronic smockers. I just mark the articles and images for speedy delete. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:22, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

: Sadly, I've noticed that... I've been trying a few different methods to block them, and think I've managed to block them on the EN wiki. We'll see. (I've just been battling it manually as I see it.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:15, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

:: Hi Joe, I found more old spammers who were selling certificates and car insurrances. I saw also two recent uploaded files: this one and this one. What do you thing about that? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::: Cool! I've also added those terms to the blacklist. As for the two files: those were uploaded by a spammer. Feel free to delete them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:05, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::: Done. This spammer has been blocked too. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:13, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::::: Hi Joe, I found iPhone spamming article on md. I added iPhone on both en and md blacklist. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:56, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::: Awesome! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::: Hi Joe, It's seems that the spamming business has goten other BW languages. I cleaned up the Chinese one and now I currently take the Spanish one but the spammers seem more subtil. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:08, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I think the Spanish wiki is cleaned now. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:41, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

== Senior Chief rights on FR ==

Hi Joe, I don't know if I deserve them, but I would like to ask you if it is possible to grant me Senior Chief for the [[fr:|French BW]]. Thank you for your answer (Yes or No, no problem at all). --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:17, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

: I have no problem with giving you Senior Chief access. I just need to discuss this with Shane and a few others before I flip the switch. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:28, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

:: OK, no problem for that. Thank you. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:33, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Not sure this is a gaffe ==

[[He_That_Believeth_In_Me#Gaffes]] contains this final paragraph, which I think should be deleted:
:Tracey tells Baltar prior to their intercourse that the door to the group's hideout is locked and that only the two of them are in the room, but when Jeanne returns with Derrick, she is able to reenter even though both Tracey and Baltar are still asleep (presumably she said this to put Baltar more at ease).
Saying that a door is locked does not preclude the possibility of others entering. A locked door can be unlocked. Other doors on Galactica are locked with keypads (like the one rigged to blow up Romo Lampkin), and there is no reason to think Jeanne would not have the entry code. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 16:12, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

:: Many of Galactica's hatches are lockable only from one side, not both. Further, only small arms lockers and other sensitive areas have keypads. Not every door has one. This isn't the starship ''Enterprise'', after all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:26, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

:::I wasn't sure; that's why I wrote instead of deleting or changing. However, I went back and took a closer look. When Baltar first arrives at his new home (10:45), they knock to gain entry and the door is unlocked from the inside. You see a wheel for bolting/unbolting the door on the outside and on the inside. Around 14:30, you hear the door close and the bolt turn when Paula and Jeanne leave, and no other such sounds from then until Tracey "makes her move" on Baltar and agrees that the door is locked. It seems to me that whatever means they used to secure it, the door could be locked & unlocked from either side, and was clearly locked from the outside until the time Jeanne returned. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 17:57, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

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== Military Ranks ==

Just a few concluding remarks I don't blame you for what you did, where I in your position I would have done the same thing. The reason I didn't respond to Serenity's first post was because until yesterday I had been unable to figure out how. As far as fear of retribution, I've never really been involved with a wiki before so I wasn't really sure what to expect and was kind of intimidated. I appreciate you're addressing my issues. Not only did it help me understand why things were happening the way they were, but it also made me feel like my input was welcome and that was all I was asking for. I am anxious to see any clarification you can offer in the weeks ahead because I find this a rather fascinating topic.

Thanks again for the clarification. {{unsigned|Grandmaester314}}

== BG S4.1 in Latin America ==

In Latin America, Season Four of Battlestar Galactica airs on Saturdays and Sundays on [http://www.canalspace.tv Space].

== Dynamic Page List ==

Hi, I just checked all feature about BW and I didn't see the Dynamic Page List feature. Do you plan one day to install it because it's very useful?--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
: Perhaps. I'll talk with [[User:Shane|Shane]] about this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

=== Examples ===

Here are some examples I made for the Stargate Wiki FR:

* To see minor characters:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:LigneMineurs Automatic generation of a line with five stamps] using DPL with entry of the series, the season, and the first article sorted.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un/Page_1 Automatic generation of minor characters for the first page] with automatic sort by last name
**[http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un Automatic creation of minor character stamps page links] with automatic image update and automatic update of the first and the last character name of this page.
* To see objects:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Ligne Automatic generation of a line]. All you juste have to do is to put the correct category.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Armes Autogeneration of a page] with the famous lines.
* To resume objects in a bottom navigation bar:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Divers Nav bar] automaticaly updated (put the right category)

All you have to do with this kind or templates is to put the right category and DPL (with a purge) will do the rest. The main purpose of DPL is to avoid editing when the database can do the stuff for you. You don't have to edit an article or a template to update with new article of the same category. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== What about RFA and RFB for French BW ? ==

Hi Joe,

I'm on the verge to edit the policy for the french version of [[BW:RFA|Request for Admninship]] and [[BW:RFB|Request for Bureaucratship]]. I need your help for this two policies.
# Do I just translate the English version with the same vote system than the main site?
# Do I have to do it in another way?
# Is the principle of request the same than the main site?
Thanks for answering.--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: If you have any suggestions as to improve the policies in question, then that would work well. Until the French wiki has more contributors, I don't think the RFA and RFB are really going to work all that well, and so administrators are promoted on a case-by-case basis as determined by you, me, and Shane. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:: Until I design or translate all the templates needed and the main page, I think there will not be a lot of contributors. The main problem is the lack of French and French-speaking people who speak English fluently. French people are not very confortable with English, so it's very difficult for them to contribute unless they have seen the show and are fans. With your agreement, I will just create one page for RFA and RFB with the statement you said above (Shane, you and me). FYI, all the episodes of the [[Re-Imagined Series]] have been aired in France, and have been released in DVD format (I just saw the Season 4 Part 2 Set yesterday in a supermarket) . --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::: Understandable. And, yes, this works for me. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your hard work! It is certainly appreciated! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:::: Thanks for encouraging. ;-) -- [[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 17:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki Store (FR) and iTunes (FR) ==

Hi again,

I can see on the Support section of the sidebar many links to affiliates (like Amazon and iTunes). Can I (or not) create similar links to french Amazon and iTunes store with french official stuff from ''Battlestar Galactica'' Franchise? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: I'll have to look into it. So don't worry about it for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:: OK. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== German Battlestarwiki ==

For days, I have been trying to access the german Battlestarwiki - without success. Is it offline? Under maintenance?--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 17:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: I'm checking into it. I'll let you know when it's back online. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: It's back up. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you!--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 18:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

* Hello. I cannot look at articles with galleries. E.G. if I open http://de.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Pegasus_%28RDM%29 i cannot see the article. If I kill the gallery everything is alright. Whats the problem? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 16:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

: I'm looking into this right now and will get back to you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

:: Ok, it's working now. There was a conflict with one of the extensions and MW 1.16. I've disabled it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:14, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

::: Great, thank you. and can you tell me, where the mistake in this template is?: http://de.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Vorlage:Stammbaum --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 17:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::: No problem. As for the template: I would just port the english Familytree template over from scratch, and see if you get the same errors. I don't have the time to do it now, but I did put it on my to-do list. If you can't get to it, then I'll be able to do so after the Easter holiday. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:39, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::I will try it tomorrow or this evening, but I can remember, that I once copy and paste it from the german wikipedia site and it also doesnt work correctly. {{unsigned|Enabran}}
:::::: It's a complicated template. I know that [[User:Shane|Shane]] had problems porting it over as well... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:14, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I don't know anything about templates, but after hours of testing it seems to work :-) (maybe an easter wonder). As first attempt I created the [[de:Vorlage:Stammbaum zylonischer Evolution|german version]] of your [[Template:Cylon evolution tree|zylon tree]]. But I do not know why there is so much free space between the top and the first line. Maybe you can take a look at it? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 09:01, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

== Happy holidays ==

Hi Joe! Just wanted to say hi and happy holidays to you and yours. I am well, hope you are too. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Jeremy! Happy Holidays! I am doing well, and I'm glad to see that you are too! :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hah, I feel bad now. ==

Since I've joined here, the only thing I've been doing is tinkering with the Glare page. Now I feel bad that's all I've been doing. =/ I gotta help out for the reals, so do any pages need serious revision/are missing a lot of crap that I can help out with? --[[User:NeutraVega|NeutraVega]] 19:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

: Hi there! :D Sorry for the long delay in replying, but we had the database locked and the site moved to new servers, thus the delay. Anyway, we could use the most help on the [[Caprica pilot]] page and subjects relating to ''Caprica''. So if you'd like to start there, that'd be great. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

== Advertising and problem on media repository ==

Hi Joe and Happy New Year, 
As I already said to Shan, I can see that you succeed to bring back the wiki. Congratulations. I have two point to ask.
# I made a donation for the wiki to avoid advertising but I still have them on the screen, why? Thank you for your answer.
# On the media repository, I tried to upload an image. It is actually somewhere in the directory but the sofware is unable to create a thumbnail. It says that it cannot find the "convert" file on the server. So for now, it's impossible to add new images on the media repository.
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

: Happy New Year to you too! :D
: Anyway, I went ahead and upgraded your account to sponsor status, so you shouldn't see the ads. If you do, try logging in and out again. If that doesn't work, a hard refresh should clear the cache. As for the convert issue, I'll have Shane look into it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Thanks, I've no ads anymore. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Awesome! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
: Fixed the issue with the media repository as well. Cheers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

== InterBot and BS Pegasus ==

Hi Joe. 
1. It seems that [[:fr:User:InterBot|InterBot]] doesn't work because the interwiki link I made on the pages I created aren't duplicated on the other wikis. 
2. I don't have access to [http://www.battlestarpegasus.com/ BS Pegasus] either. It says it's forbidden. Is there any problem since the server transfer or something? 
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 21:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, Still doesn't work for both points. Do you have any answer for that please? Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry, I've been pretty busy. (Barely have had time to really work on the wiki, other than to greet the newcomers.) To answer your questions:
: 1. Shane needs to reprogram the InterBot. He hasn't had time to do that as he's been working on projects for Best Buy.
: 2. The BS Pegasus site is down. No ETA on when that'll be back up as it isn't priority. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Calendar dates on auction items ==

Hi Joe,

I expanded the [[Colonial calendar#Different Dating Methods]] section with information from a couple of auction items and noticed in the process that you wrote at least some of the blog entries at battlestarprops.com. Do you recall seeing any calendar items I haven't mentioned yet, and if so, could you point me to their pictures? It would also be nice to see a higher resolution scan of Socrata's medal of valor document, if one is available.

Regards,

-- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

: I honestly never really paid all that much attention to the dating thing, since it was all made up anyway. (''Star Trek'''s "stardate" system is a very good example of this, actually. It isn't until they did TNG that they really put thought into it.) There is very little consistency behind the dating on any of the paperwork; in television production, much of it is thrown together—some of it even at the very last minute—even taking into account the quality of BSG's paperwork being higher than other genre television series. It isn't until ''Caprica'' that they really tried to address the issue of the Colonial dating method, because it's simply not natural not to have characters ''not'' say "Hey Lacy, meet me for lunch on Saturday."

: As for photos of the stuff, the [http://archive.propworx.com Propworx archive] has photos of everything that's been auctioned through Propworx. I also know of a few fans who have won many paperwork documents from the BSG auctions (both live and via eBay) that have taken the time to scan them, but most of their work is on private boards and some prop replication communities. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The scans on that site have a much higher resolution and I already found a couple of items with supposed dates. I would like to document them in the article primarily to establish that there was no real system in the re-imagined series as opposed to ''Caprica''. Such random alphanumerics also suggest to the reader that the dates in Adama's dossier need not be correct necessarily (e.g. the year 20000+). -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 18:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== "pos" extended parser function ==

Hi Joe, I would like to ask if it is possible to add the "'''''pos'''''" Parser Function into the wiki, this will allow to do some research more easily (for example to do an action on pages with a certain text and not on the others). Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 12:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

: Do you have a link so I can check this out? I take it this is an extension to MW. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:: Check [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions this link] to see. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

::: It's now installed. I'd be interested to see how you use this. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 20:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:::: One example for the moment:
::::* The [[fr:Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite, 1re nuit|Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite]] template using [[fr:Modèle:Apparition]]. I use the '''''pos''''' to show the number of apparitions only on the Apparition page (condition) :
::::** When you see it inside the episode: [[fr:Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages|Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages]]
::::** When you see it inside the characters apparition page: [[fr:Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode#Battlestar Galactica|Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode]]. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== HTML activation ==

Hi Joe, I think the wiki has not the HTML function activated because I tried to import some Wikipedia template to adapt them to the wiki and those have htlm writing inside and it doesn't work. So, please, is it possible to activate html editing in the french wiki? Thanks a lot. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
: Which templates are affected? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[fr:Modèle:Infobox/Ligne mixte|This one]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Why not just use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables wikicode table syntax]? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: I tried it but there is an issue when you use a template using parser function inside another template using parser functions. It doesn't recognise at all a link (an image for an example) created by the template inside, it separates the link like a colspan. At least, is it possible to activate only the <code><nowiki><td><hr><tr></nowiki></code> tags? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: OK, I should get to activating those HTML tags sometime tonight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== SVG generation ==

Hi Joe, I hope you're fine, I've seen a little problem with the SVG generator. It doesn't work properly. Here is the message I get :

<code>Erreur lors de la création de la miniature : /usr/bin/rsvg: not found</code>

I think it's a missing file forgot during the transfer last december. Thank you for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

: It's that rsvg isn't presently installed on the new server. I'll send in a support request. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

:: Hi, Joe, Still doesn't work, sorry. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: Yeah, that's because I was sidetracked and neglected sending that support request. I've sent it in and hope to hear from someone in the next 48 hours. Sorry about that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: OK, they've installed it. All should be good now. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:::: YES, it's working. Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

::::: Hi Joe, I think I've a bit too quick to say Hurra. There is still a problem. There is no generation of image but instead of, we have the name of the file. See [[:fr:Modèle:Drapeau]] or [[:fr:Michael Rymer]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::: Looking into it now... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: I'd have to track down the exact error, since our server host doesn't supply tech support for MediaWiki (understandably so) an Shane is busy with projects. Of course, I have no time to do it right not until mid-October because I am committed to other projects right now. Would it be possible to use PNGs for the flags until we can get the SVG issue ironed out? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 01:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== removal of my question ==

Hi !

Yes, it was a real question : how could the pegasus avoid further contamination by the Cylon virus. Is this answered in future episodes ?

Why did you simply remove my question ?

Regards,
Nixab (new fan and new contributor here).

:I think it's a valid question, Joe, so I noted that the answer is in [[Razor]] and spelled it out in the [[Answered Questions from Season 2 (RDM)#Pegasus|Answered Questions from Season 2]]. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

: Fair enough, and I agree. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:11, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jupiter-class battlestar issue ==

I have a problem with your edit of my edit on the Jupiter class battlestar Galactica. The book I refered to is canon since it was written by the science advisor to BSG and sactioned by SyFy and Ron Moore. If yoiu prefer your wiki not to contain official information then that is fine and I will not bother to add any other information to your site. I will rely solely on official material such as this book. Cancel my membersip please.
Good Bye. {{unsigned|Lonewriter}}

: Please refer to [[BW:CITE#Acceptable_Sources|Acceptable Sources]], which list the sources of what makes something canon. Just because there is an error in a book sanctioned by Syfy Channel, does not mean it is automatically canon. As I've only started reading the book, I've already noticed errors (mostly with spelling, such as Cally's name), that raises a few doubts in my mind when it comes to how thoroughly the book was copyedited.

: As I believe I had explained, the episode that the writers of the book refer to ("Pegasus") does ''not'' make mention of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class. ''At all.'' So, they made a mistake, or improperly cited the source. (Now, if it came from the script for that episode, I can see that. We've used scripts as sources before.)

: Now, if Ron Moore or David Eick were to come out and say "well, they're right, ''Galactica'' is a ''Jupiter'' class" then we will certainly note that, and cite that it came from them. Furthermore, maybe I wasn't clear, but I'm not saying that we should throw out the reference at all, but '''it needs to be pointed out that the way the information is present is in ''direct contradiction to what viewers saw on screen.'''''

: Believe me, were this information aired in "Pegasus" fans would have eaten that up, just like they (we) ate up the whole ''Mercury'' class reference that Adama made before Cain boarded the ship. :)

: Now, as to your immature comment, it does suggest that you probably wouldn't be a good editor here, because you don't seem to understand how to critically analyze information, or the necessity of viewing all information with a critical eye. That's fine. There are people who simply don't have that ability. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, you don't have to use the site, at all. I hate to be disingenuous and brusque, but if you're going to use appeals to emotion instead of actually bothering to do the research (which I, and many, many fans have done over the past five-plus years) then you're welcome to leave and never look back.

: However, let me be particularly clear when I say this: what I have done is pointed out this error, which you've brought to our attention, so thank you for that. Now, if you want to act like a prima donna and storm off in a huff, then that's your call. You're more than welcome to stay, or you are more than welcome to leave. Ball is in your court. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== William Adama edits ==

I seem to find the spoiler tag formatting (I edit on wikipedia but we have nothing similar there) so I'm just going to be as vague as I can be and hope you understand. While reading over the spoilered info on William Adama's page that you recently added I realized that you have a character connection slightly off. If you check my edit history, you'll see I made a similar change on a related page. Hope that's enough for you to see what I meant (since I can't edit the Old Man's page). [[User:Millahnna|Millahnna]] 23:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

: Yes, I got what you meant! I'll make the correction now! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Duram's files at Propworx ==

Hi Joe,

Have you preserved alternate photographs of Duram's files which are now on eBay? The available photo makes Clarice's file halfway legible, but I'm curious what's in Amanda's and other files. I'm not planning on buying them though, since I'm only interested in the information, not in provenance. Even so, thanks for participating in the auctions — the photos have provided so much useful information that would've normally disappeared with the shows. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 22:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

: I'd have to ask Jarrod, since he's the one who oversees the Caprica auction stuff out in LA. (I'm not in LA, so I don't have easy access to this stuff myself.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== Reference in Template ==

What does putting the ref in break? I don't see anything unusual except that the 33 has to be bracketed to be a link. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

: Issue is that the brackets are printed out, and they really shouldn't be. I guess I'll have to modify the infobox template to deal with that. Basically a separate field that is only for references, like "|seenref=". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 00:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

== Affiliation ==

Hello would you like this wiki to affiliate with my independent wiki http://stargate-wiki.org/ ? [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 23:38, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

: Hi there, feel free to e-mail me directly at joe@frakmedia.net so we can talk about it more. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:44, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

Not sure if you got my email or not, anyway, would you prefer to join the SIWA Network (Scifi independent wiki alliance)? http://siwanetwork.webs.com Basically just lets more people interlink with these wikis and its always good to have more links to your site laying around. It costs nothing and we dont really ask for anything in return. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 06:35, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: Thank you for the offer, but I will decline. I really see no benefit for this wiki and its contributors in being a part of the SIWA Network. In fact, I feel that our inclusion would only be beneficial for you, seeing as we have a wide exposure. We've run into loose fan organizations like SIWA before, and frankly they are not worth the bandwidth that it takes to pull up the webpage. Our experience is that such things are not professionally run and are basically glorified fly-by-night operations operated by unprofessional, doe-eyed fans with unrealistic expectations. Nothing personal against you, it is just our experience. And, as for traffic and links, we've found that being a part of a glorified "webring" has no return on investiment. A majority of new traffic has always, and without fail, come from two sources: 1) word-of-mouth (forums and social networks), and 2) search engines. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:25, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

I had 22 new visitors to my site because of SIWA. Your loss i guess. Also it really doesn't make it less offensive when you call me: unprofessional, doe-eyed fan with unrealistic expectations then say no offence. Even you should see that. Well if you change your mind, let me know. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 11:56, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: And how many of those 22 people will stick around and contribute in the long-haul? Since there are so many Stargate wikis out there, those results aren't surprising... and, don't get your hopes up, as they will be short lived. Traffic from web rings and "alliances" is short-lived, and with extremely poor to negligible long-term ROI. I've been running websites for the last 15 years, so I am well aware of what I'm taking about.

: Furthermore, I was not making a personal attack against you: I was making a general observation about such organizations. However, since you are keen to make it about yourself: given your behavior in the past towards another member of this website (and bringing problems from an outside wiki to this Wiki directly and without provocation from us), I find ''that'' unprofessional. End of subject. Thank you for the offer, and have a splendid day. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:16, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

Wow, take it overboard much. I was going to link certain articles like actors other work here etc but because of that attitude, you can forget it [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 12:21, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: Your attitude and sour disposition are the problems here. After all, you were the one who [[User_talk:LIMAFOX76|brought outside problems from another website to this one]]. ''You'' initiated it here. ''You'' deliberately sought the user in question, tracked them to this website, and brought ''your'' problems to an open forum instead of taking it up with the user via e-mail. ''You'' involved us, and ''I'' put a stop to it. I have no ill will towards you personally, but your immature behavior here and your inability to properly deal with issues in a mature manner exemplifies why we are careful in associating with other organizations and websites.

: At any rate, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. Farewell. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:39, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

::Wow alcohol and wiki editing should never be mixed, i don't remember writing most of that. Back to my original idea of affiliation, one of your bsg wiki 'friends' perhaps. Many BSG actors have been on Stargate. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 01:21, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

::: We'll think about it, thanks. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:50, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

== Electronic smockers ==

Hi Joe, There is another giant spam attack on the repository by electronic smockers. I just mark the articles and images for speedy delete. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:22, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

: Sadly, I've noticed that... I've been trying a few different methods to block them, and think I've managed to block them on the EN wiki. We'll see. (I've just been battling it manually as I see it.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:15, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

:: Hi Joe, I found more old spammers who were selling certificates and car insurrances. I saw also two recent uploaded files: this one and this one. What do you thing about that? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::: Cool! I've also added those terms to the blacklist. As for the two files: those were uploaded by a spammer. Feel free to delete them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:05, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::: Done. This spammer has been blocked too. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:13, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::::: Hi Joe, I found iPhone spamming article on md. I added iPhone on both en and md blacklist. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:56, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::: Awesome! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::: Hi Joe, It's seems that the spamming business has goten other BW languages. I cleaned up the Chinese one and now I currently take the Spanish one but the spammers seem more subtil. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:08, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I think the Spanish wiki is cleaned now. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:41, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

== Senior Chief rights on FR ==

Hi Joe, I don't know if I deserve them, but I would like to ask you if it is possible to grant me Senior Chief for the [[fr:|French BW]]. Thank you for your answer (Yes or No, no problem at all). --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:17, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

: I have no problem with giving you Senior Chief access. I just need to discuss this with Shane and a few others before I flip the switch. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:28, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

:: OK, no problem for that. Thank you. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:33, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Not sure this is a gaffe ==

[[He_That_Believeth_In_Me#Gaffes]] contains this final paragraph, which I think should be deleted:
:Tracey tells Baltar prior to their intercourse that the door to the group's hideout is locked and that only the two of them are in the room, but when Jeanne returns with Derrick, she is able to reenter even though both Tracey and Baltar are still asleep (presumably she said this to put Baltar more at ease).
Saying that a door is locked does not preclude the possibility of others entering. A locked door can be unlocked. Other doors on Galactica are locked with keypads (like the one rigged to blow up Romo Lampkin), and there is no reason to think Jeanne would not have the entry code. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 16:12, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

:: Many of Galactica's hatches are lockable only from one side, not both. Further, only small arms lockers and other sensitive areas have keypads. Not every door has one. This isn't the starship ''Enterprise'', after all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:26, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

:::I wasn't sure; that's why I wrote instead of deleting or changing. Thanks. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 17:06, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

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== Military Ranks ==

Just a few concluding remarks I don't blame you for what you did, where I in your position I would have done the same thing. The reason I didn't respond to Serenity's first post was because until yesterday I had been unable to figure out how. As far as fear of retribution, I've never really been involved with a wiki before so I wasn't really sure what to expect and was kind of intimidated. I appreciate you're addressing my issues. Not only did it help me understand why things were happening the way they were, but it also made me feel like my input was welcome and that was all I was asking for. I am anxious to see any clarification you can offer in the weeks ahead because I find this a rather fascinating topic.

Thanks again for the clarification. {{unsigned|Grandmaester314}}

== BG S4.1 in Latin America ==

In Latin America, Season Four of Battlestar Galactica airs on Saturdays and Sundays on [http://www.canalspace.tv Space].

== Dynamic Page List ==

Hi, I just checked all feature about BW and I didn't see the Dynamic Page List feature. Do you plan one day to install it because it's very useful?--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
: Perhaps. I'll talk with [[User:Shane|Shane]] about this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

=== Examples ===

Here are some examples I made for the Stargate Wiki FR:

* To see minor characters:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:LigneMineurs Automatic generation of a line with five stamps] using DPL with entry of the series, the season, and the first article sorted.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un/Page_1 Automatic generation of minor characters for the first page] with automatic sort by last name
**[http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un Automatic creation of minor character stamps page links] with automatic image update and automatic update of the first and the last character name of this page.
* To see objects:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Ligne Automatic generation of a line]. All you juste have to do is to put the correct category.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Armes Autogeneration of a page] with the famous lines.
* To resume objects in a bottom navigation bar:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Divers Nav bar] automaticaly updated (put the right category)

All you have to do with this kind or templates is to put the right category and DPL (with a purge) will do the rest. The main purpose of DPL is to avoid editing when the database can do the stuff for you. You don't have to edit an article or a template to update with new article of the same category. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== What about RFA and RFB for French BW ? ==

Hi Joe,

I'm on the verge to edit the policy for the french version of [[BW:RFA|Request for Admninship]] and [[BW:RFB|Request for Bureaucratship]]. I need your help for this two policies.
# Do I just translate the English version with the same vote system than the main site?
# Do I have to do it in another way?
# Is the principle of request the same than the main site?
Thanks for answering.--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: If you have any suggestions as to improve the policies in question, then that would work well. Until the French wiki has more contributors, I don't think the RFA and RFB are really going to work all that well, and so administrators are promoted on a case-by-case basis as determined by you, me, and Shane. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:: Until I design or translate all the templates needed and the main page, I think there will not be a lot of contributors. The main problem is the lack of French and French-speaking people who speak English fluently. French people are not very confortable with English, so it's very difficult for them to contribute unless they have seen the show and are fans. With your agreement, I will just create one page for RFA and RFB with the statement you said above (Shane, you and me). FYI, all the episodes of the [[Re-Imagined Series]] have been aired in France, and have been released in DVD format (I just saw the Season 4 Part 2 Set yesterday in a supermarket) . --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::: Understandable. And, yes, this works for me. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your hard work! It is certainly appreciated! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:::: Thanks for encouraging. ;-) -- [[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 17:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki Store (FR) and iTunes (FR) ==

Hi again,

I can see on the Support section of the sidebar many links to affiliates (like Amazon and iTunes). Can I (or not) create similar links to french Amazon and iTunes store with french official stuff from ''Battlestar Galactica'' Franchise? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: I'll have to look into it. So don't worry about it for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:: OK. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== German Battlestarwiki ==

For days, I have been trying to access the german Battlestarwiki - without success. Is it offline? Under maintenance?--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 17:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: I'm checking into it. I'll let you know when it's back online. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: It's back up. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you!--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 18:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

* Hello. I cannot look at articles with galleries. E.G. if I open http://de.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Pegasus_%28RDM%29 i cannot see the article. If I kill the gallery everything is alright. Whats the problem? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 16:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

: I'm looking into this right now and will get back to you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

:: Ok, it's working now. There was a conflict with one of the extensions and MW 1.16. I've disabled it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:14, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

::: Great, thank you. and can you tell me, where the mistake in this template is?: http://de.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Vorlage:Stammbaum --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 17:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::: No problem. As for the template: I would just port the english Familytree template over from scratch, and see if you get the same errors. I don't have the time to do it now, but I did put it on my to-do list. If you can't get to it, then I'll be able to do so after the Easter holiday. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:39, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::I will try it tomorrow or this evening, but I can remember, that I once copy and paste it from the german wikipedia site and it also doesnt work correctly. {{unsigned|Enabran}}
:::::: It's a complicated template. I know that [[User:Shane|Shane]] had problems porting it over as well... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:14, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I don't know anything about templates, but after hours of testing it seems to work :-) (maybe an easter wonder). As first attempt I created the [[de:Vorlage:Stammbaum zylonischer Evolution|german version]] of your [[Template:Cylon evolution tree|zylon tree]]. But I do not know why there is so much free space between the top and the first line. Maybe you can take a look at it? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 09:01, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

== Happy holidays ==

Hi Joe! Just wanted to say hi and happy holidays to you and yours. I am well, hope you are too. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Jeremy! Happy Holidays! I am doing well, and I'm glad to see that you are too! :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hah, I feel bad now. ==

Since I've joined here, the only thing I've been doing is tinkering with the Glare page. Now I feel bad that's all I've been doing. =/ I gotta help out for the reals, so do any pages need serious revision/are missing a lot of crap that I can help out with? --[[User:NeutraVega|NeutraVega]] 19:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

: Hi there! :D Sorry for the long delay in replying, but we had the database locked and the site moved to new servers, thus the delay. Anyway, we could use the most help on the [[Caprica pilot]] page and subjects relating to ''Caprica''. So if you'd like to start there, that'd be great. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

== Advertising and problem on media repository ==

Hi Joe and Happy New Year, 
As I already said to Shan, I can see that you succeed to bring back the wiki. Congratulations. I have two point to ask.
# I made a donation for the wiki to avoid advertising but I still have them on the screen, why? Thank you for your answer.
# On the media repository, I tried to upload an image. It is actually somewhere in the directory but the sofware is unable to create a thumbnail. It says that it cannot find the "convert" file on the server. So for now, it's impossible to add new images on the media repository.
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

: Happy New Year to you too! :D
: Anyway, I went ahead and upgraded your account to sponsor status, so you shouldn't see the ads. If you do, try logging in and out again. If that doesn't work, a hard refresh should clear the cache. As for the convert issue, I'll have Shane look into it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Thanks, I've no ads anymore. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Awesome! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
: Fixed the issue with the media repository as well. Cheers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

== InterBot and BS Pegasus ==

Hi Joe. 
1. It seems that [[:fr:User:InterBot|InterBot]] doesn't work because the interwiki link I made on the pages I created aren't duplicated on the other wikis. 
2. I don't have access to [http://www.battlestarpegasus.com/ BS Pegasus] either. It says it's forbidden. Is there any problem since the server transfer or something? 
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 21:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, Still doesn't work for both points. Do you have any answer for that please? Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry, I've been pretty busy. (Barely have had time to really work on the wiki, other than to greet the newcomers.) To answer your questions:
: 1. Shane needs to reprogram the InterBot. He hasn't had time to do that as he's been working on projects for Best Buy.
: 2. The BS Pegasus site is down. No ETA on when that'll be back up as it isn't priority. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Calendar dates on auction items ==

Hi Joe,

I expanded the [[Colonial calendar#Different Dating Methods]] section with information from a couple of auction items and noticed in the process that you wrote at least some of the blog entries at battlestarprops.com. Do you recall seeing any calendar items I haven't mentioned yet, and if so, could you point me to their pictures? It would also be nice to see a higher resolution scan of Socrata's medal of valor document, if one is available.

Regards,

-- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

: I honestly never really paid all that much attention to the dating thing, since it was all made up anyway. (''Star Trek'''s "stardate" system is a very good example of this, actually. It isn't until they did TNG that they really put thought into it.) There is very little consistency behind the dating on any of the paperwork; in television production, much of it is thrown together—some of it even at the very last minute—even taking into account the quality of BSG's paperwork being higher than other genre television series. It isn't until ''Caprica'' that they really tried to address the issue of the Colonial dating method, because it's simply not natural not to have characters ''not'' say "Hey Lacy, meet me for lunch on Saturday."

: As for photos of the stuff, the [http://archive.propworx.com Propworx archive] has photos of everything that's been auctioned through Propworx. I also know of a few fans who have won many paperwork documents from the BSG auctions (both live and via eBay) that have taken the time to scan them, but most of their work is on private boards and some prop replication communities. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The scans on that site have a much higher resolution and I already found a couple of items with supposed dates. I would like to document them in the article primarily to establish that there was no real system in the re-imagined series as opposed to ''Caprica''. Such random alphanumerics also suggest to the reader that the dates in Adama's dossier need not be correct necessarily (e.g. the year 20000+). -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 18:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== "pos" extended parser function ==

Hi Joe, I would like to ask if it is possible to add the "'''''pos'''''" Parser Function into the wiki, this will allow to do some research more easily (for example to do an action on pages with a certain text and not on the others). Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 12:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

: Do you have a link so I can check this out? I take it this is an extension to MW. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:: Check [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions this link] to see. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

::: It's now installed. I'd be interested to see how you use this. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 20:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:::: One example for the moment:
::::* The [[fr:Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite, 1re nuit|Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite]] template using [[fr:Modèle:Apparition]]. I use the '''''pos''''' to show the number of apparitions only on the Apparition page (condition) :
::::** When you see it inside the episode: [[fr:Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages|Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages]]
::::** When you see it inside the characters apparition page: [[fr:Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode#Battlestar Galactica|Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode]]. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== HTML activation ==

Hi Joe, I think the wiki has not the HTML function activated because I tried to import some Wikipedia template to adapt them to the wiki and those have htlm writing inside and it doesn't work. So, please, is it possible to activate html editing in the french wiki? Thanks a lot. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
: Which templates are affected? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[fr:Modèle:Infobox/Ligne mixte|This one]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Why not just use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables wikicode table syntax]? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: I tried it but there is an issue when you use a template using parser function inside another template using parser functions. It doesn't recognise at all a link (an image for an example) created by the template inside, it separates the link like a colspan. At least, is it possible to activate only the <code><nowiki><td><hr><tr></nowiki></code> tags? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: OK, I should get to activating those HTML tags sometime tonight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== SVG generation ==

Hi Joe, I hope you're fine, I've seen a little problem with the SVG generator. It doesn't work properly. Here is the message I get :

<code>Erreur lors de la création de la miniature : /usr/bin/rsvg: not found</code>

I think it's a missing file forgot during the transfer last december. Thank you for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

: It's that rsvg isn't presently installed on the new server. I'll send in a support request. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

:: Hi, Joe, Still doesn't work, sorry. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: Yeah, that's because I was sidetracked and neglected sending that support request. I've sent it in and hope to hear from someone in the next 48 hours. Sorry about that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: OK, they've installed it. All should be good now. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:::: YES, it's working. Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

::::: Hi Joe, I think I've a bit too quick to say Hurra. There is still a problem. There is no generation of image but instead of, we have the name of the file. See [[:fr:Modèle:Drapeau]] or [[:fr:Michael Rymer]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::: Looking into it now... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: I'd have to track down the exact error, since our server host doesn't supply tech support for MediaWiki (understandably so) an Shane is busy with projects. Of course, I have no time to do it right not until mid-October because I am committed to other projects right now. Would it be possible to use PNGs for the flags until we can get the SVG issue ironed out? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 01:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== removal of my question ==

Hi !

Yes, it was a real question : how could the pegasus avoid further contamination by the Cylon virus. Is this answered in future episodes ?

Why did you simply remove my question ?

Regards,
Nixab (new fan and new contributor here).

:I think it's a valid question, Joe, so I noted that the answer is in [[Razor]] and spelled it out in the [[Answered Questions from Season 2 (RDM)#Pegasus|Answered Questions from Season 2]]. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

: Fair enough, and I agree. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:11, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jupiter-class battlestar issue ==

I have a problem with your edit of my edit on the Jupiter class battlestar Galactica. The book I refered to is canon since it was written by the science advisor to BSG and sactioned by SyFy and Ron Moore. If yoiu prefer your wiki not to contain official information then that is fine and I will not bother to add any other information to your site. I will rely solely on official material such as this book. Cancel my membersip please.
Good Bye. {{unsigned|Lonewriter}}

: Please refer to [[BW:CITE#Acceptable_Sources|Acceptable Sources]], which list the sources of what makes something canon. Just because there is an error in a book sanctioned by Syfy Channel, does not mean it is automatically canon. As I've only started reading the book, I've already noticed errors (mostly with spelling, such as Cally's name), that raises a few doubts in my mind when it comes to how thoroughly the book was copyedited.

: As I believe I had explained, the episode that the writers of the book refer to ("Pegasus") does ''not'' make mention of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class. ''At all.'' So, they made a mistake, or improperly cited the source. (Now, if it came from the script for that episode, I can see that. We've used scripts as sources before.)

: Now, if Ron Moore or David Eick were to come out and say "well, they're right, ''Galactica'' is a ''Jupiter'' class" then we will certainly note that, and cite that it came from them. Furthermore, maybe I wasn't clear, but I'm not saying that we should throw out the reference at all, but '''it needs to be pointed out that the way the information is present is in ''direct contradiction to what viewers saw on screen.'''''

: Believe me, were this information aired in "Pegasus" fans would have eaten that up, just like they (we) ate up the whole ''Mercury'' class reference that Adama made before Cain boarded the ship. :)

: Now, as to your immature comment, it does suggest that you probably wouldn't be a good editor here, because you don't seem to understand how to critically analyze information, or the necessity of viewing all information with a critical eye. That's fine. There are people who simply don't have that ability. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, you don't have to use the site, at all. I hate to be disingenuous and brusque, but if you're going to use appeals to emotion instead of actually bothering to do the research (which I, and many, many fans have done over the past five-plus years) then you're welcome to leave and never look back.

: However, let me be particularly clear when I say this: what I have done is pointed out this error, which you've brought to our attention, so thank you for that. Now, if you want to act like a prima donna and storm off in a huff, then that's your call. You're more than welcome to stay, or you are more than welcome to leave. Ball is in your court. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== William Adama edits ==

I seem to find the spoiler tag formatting (I edit on wikipedia but we have nothing similar there) so I'm just going to be as vague as I can be and hope you understand. While reading over the spoilered info on William Adama's page that you recently added I realized that you have a character connection slightly off. If you check my edit history, you'll see I made a similar change on a related page. Hope that's enough for you to see what I meant (since I can't edit the Old Man's page). [[User:Millahnna|Millahnna]] 23:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

: Yes, I got what you meant! I'll make the correction now! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Duram's files at Propworx ==

Hi Joe,

Have you preserved alternate photographs of Duram's files which are now on eBay? The available photo makes Clarice's file halfway legible, but I'm curious what's in Amanda's and other files. I'm not planning on buying them though, since I'm only interested in the information, not in provenance. Even so, thanks for participating in the auctions — the photos have provided so much useful information that would've normally disappeared with the shows. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 22:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

: I'd have to ask Jarrod, since he's the one who oversees the Caprica auction stuff out in LA. (I'm not in LA, so I don't have easy access to this stuff myself.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== Reference in Template ==

What does putting the ref in break? I don't see anything unusual except that the 33 has to be bracketed to be a link. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

: Issue is that the brackets are printed out, and they really shouldn't be. I guess I'll have to modify the infobox template to deal with that. Basically a separate field that is only for references, like "|seenref=". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 00:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

== Affiliation ==

Hello would you like this wiki to affiliate with my independent wiki http://stargate-wiki.org/ ? [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 23:38, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

: Hi there, feel free to e-mail me directly at joe@frakmedia.net so we can talk about it more. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:44, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

Not sure if you got my email or not, anyway, would you prefer to join the SIWA Network (Scifi independent wiki alliance)? http://siwanetwork.webs.com Basically just lets more people interlink with these wikis and its always good to have more links to your site laying around. It costs nothing and we dont really ask for anything in return. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 06:35, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: Thank you for the offer, but I will decline. I really see no benefit for this wiki and its contributors in being a part of the SIWA Network. In fact, I feel that our inclusion would only be beneficial for you, seeing as we have a wide exposure. We've run into loose fan organizations like SIWA before, and frankly they are not worth the bandwidth that it takes to pull up the webpage. Our experience is that such things are not professionally run and are basically glorified fly-by-night operations operated by unprofessional, doe-eyed fans with unrealistic expectations. Nothing personal against you, it is just our experience. And, as for traffic and links, we've found that being a part of a glorified "webring" has no return on investiment. A majority of new traffic has always, and without fail, come from two sources: 1) word-of-mouth (forums and social networks), and 2) search engines. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:25, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

I had 22 new visitors to my site because of SIWA. Your loss i guess. Also it really doesn't make it less offensive when you call me: unprofessional, doe-eyed fan with unrealistic expectations then say no offence. Even you should see that. Well if you change your mind, let me know. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 11:56, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: And how many of those 22 people will stick around and contribute in the long-haul? Since there are so many Stargate wikis out there, those results aren't surprising... and, don't get your hopes up, as they will be short lived. Traffic from web rings and "alliances" is short-lived, and with extremely poor to negligible long-term ROI. I've been running websites for the last 15 years, so I am well aware of what I'm taking about.

: Furthermore, I was not making a personal attack against you: I was making a general observation about such organizations. However, since you are keen to make it about yourself: given your behavior in the past towards another member of this website (and bringing problems from an outside wiki to this Wiki directly and without provocation from us), I find ''that'' unprofessional. End of subject. Thank you for the offer, and have a splendid day. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:16, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

Wow, take it overboard much. I was going to link certain articles like actors other work here etc but because of that attitude, you can forget it [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 12:21, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: Your attitude and sour disposition are the problems here. After all, you were the one who [[User_talk:LIMAFOX76|brought outside problems from another website to this one]]. ''You'' initiated it here. ''You'' deliberately sought the user in question, tracked them to this website, and brought ''your'' problems to an open forum instead of taking it up with the user via e-mail. ''You'' involved us, and ''I'' put a stop to it. I have no ill will towards you personally, but your immature behavior here and your inability to properly deal with issues in a mature manner exemplifies why we are careful in associating with other organizations and websites.

: At any rate, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. Farewell. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:39, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

::Wow alcohol and wiki editing should never be mixed, i don't remember writing most of that. Back to my original idea of affiliation, one of your bsg wiki 'friends' perhaps. Many BSG actors have been on Stargate. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 01:21, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

::: We'll think about it, thanks. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:50, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

== Electronic smockers ==

Hi Joe, There is another giant spam attack on the repository by electronic smockers. I just mark the articles and images for speedy delete. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:22, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

: Sadly, I've noticed that... I've been trying a few different methods to block them, and think I've managed to block them on the EN wiki. We'll see. (I've just been battling it manually as I see it.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:15, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

:: Hi Joe, I found more old spammers who were selling certificates and car insurrances. I saw also two recent uploaded files: this one and this one. What do you thing about that? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::: Cool! I've also added those terms to the blacklist. As for the two files: those were uploaded by a spammer. Feel free to delete them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:05, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::: Done. This spammer has been blocked too. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:13, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::::: Hi Joe, I found iPhone spamming article on md. I added iPhone on both en and md blacklist. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:56, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::: Awesome! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::: Hi Joe, It's seems that the spamming business has goten other BW languages. I cleaned up the Chinese one and now I currently take the Spanish one but the spammers seem more subtil. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:08, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I think the Spanish wiki is cleaned now. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:41, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

== Senior Chief rights on FR ==

Hi Joe, I don't know if I deserve them, but I would like to ask you if it is possible to grant me Senior Chief for the [[fr:|French BW]]. Thank you for your answer (Yes or No, no problem at all). --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:17, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Not sure this is a gaffe ==

[[He_That_Believeth_In_Me#Gaffes]] contains this final paragraph, which I think should be deleted:
:Tracey tells Baltar prior to their intercourse that the door to the group's hideout is locked and that only the two of them are in the room, but when Jeanne returns with Derrick, she is able to reenter even though both Tracey and Baltar are still asleep (presumably she said this to put Baltar more at ease).
Saying that a door is locked does not preclude the possibility of others entering. A locked door can be unlocked. Other doors on Galactica are locked with keypads (like the one rigged to blow up Romo Lampkin), and there is no reason to think Jeanne would not have the entry code. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 16:12, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

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== Military Ranks ==

Just a few concluding remarks I don't blame you for what you did, where I in your position I would have done the same thing. The reason I didn't respond to Serenity's first post was because until yesterday I had been unable to figure out how. As far as fear of retribution, I've never really been involved with a wiki before so I wasn't really sure what to expect and was kind of intimidated. I appreciate you're addressing my issues. Not only did it help me understand why things were happening the way they were, but it also made me feel like my input was welcome and that was all I was asking for. I am anxious to see any clarification you can offer in the weeks ahead because I find this a rather fascinating topic.

Thanks again for the clarification. {{unsigned|Grandmaester314}}

== BG S4.1 in Latin America ==

In Latin America, Season Four of Battlestar Galactica airs on Saturdays and Sundays on [http://www.canalspace.tv Space].

== Dynamic Page List ==

Hi, I just checked all feature about BW and I didn't see the Dynamic Page List feature. Do you plan one day to install it because it's very useful?--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
: Perhaps. I'll talk with [[User:Shane|Shane]] about this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

=== Examples ===

Here are some examples I made for the Stargate Wiki FR:

* To see minor characters:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:LigneMineurs Automatic generation of a line with five stamps] using DPL with entry of the series, the season, and the first article sorted.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un/Page_1 Automatic generation of minor characters for the first page] with automatic sort by last name
**[http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Personnages_Universe/Mineurs/Saison_Un Automatic creation of minor character stamps page links] with automatic image update and automatic update of the first and the last character name of this page.
* To see objects:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Ligne Automatic generation of a line]. All you juste have to do is to put the correct category.
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Portail:Armes Autogeneration of a page] with the famous lines.
* To resume objects in a bottom navigation bar:
** [http://fr.stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Divers Nav bar] automaticaly updated (put the right category)

All you have to do with this kind or templates is to put the right category and DPL (with a purge) will do the rest. The main purpose of DPL is to avoid editing when the database can do the stuff for you. You don't have to edit an article or a template to update with new article of the same category. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== What about RFA and RFB for French BW ? ==

Hi Joe,

I'm on the verge to edit the policy for the french version of [[BW:RFA|Request for Admninship]] and [[BW:RFB|Request for Bureaucratship]]. I need your help for this two policies.
# Do I just translate the English version with the same vote system than the main site?
# Do I have to do it in another way?
# Is the principle of request the same than the main site?
Thanks for answering.--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: If you have any suggestions as to improve the policies in question, then that would work well. Until the French wiki has more contributors, I don't think the RFA and RFB are really going to work all that well, and so administrators are promoted on a case-by-case basis as determined by you, me, and Shane. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:: Until I design or translate all the templates needed and the main page, I think there will not be a lot of contributors. The main problem is the lack of French and French-speaking people who speak English fluently. French people are not very confortable with English, so it's very difficult for them to contribute unless they have seen the show and are fans. With your agreement, I will just create one page for RFA and RFB with the statement you said above (Shane, you and me). FYI, all the episodes of the [[Re-Imagined Series]] have been aired in France, and have been released in DVD format (I just saw the Season 4 Part 2 Set yesterday in a supermarket) . --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::: Understandable. And, yes, this works for me. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your hard work! It is certainly appreciated! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:::: Thanks for encouraging. ;-) -- [[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 17:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki Store (FR) and iTunes (FR) ==

Hi again,

I can see on the Support section of the sidebar many links to affiliates (like Amazon and iTunes). Can I (or not) create similar links to french Amazon and iTunes store with french official stuff from ''Battlestar Galactica'' Franchise? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

: I'll have to look into it. So don't worry about it for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:: OK. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== German Battlestarwiki ==

For days, I have been trying to access the german Battlestarwiki - without success. Is it offline? Under maintenance?--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 17:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: I'm checking into it. I'll let you know when it's back online. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

: It's back up. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you!--[[User:Dvd-junkie|Dvd-junkie]] 18:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

* Hello. I cannot look at articles with galleries. E.G. if I open http://de.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Pegasus_%28RDM%29 i cannot see the article. If I kill the gallery everything is alright. Whats the problem? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 16:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

: I'm looking into this right now and will get back to you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

:: Ok, it's working now. There was a conflict with one of the extensions and MW 1.16. I've disabled it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:14, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

::: Great, thank you. and can you tell me, where the mistake in this template is?: http://de.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Vorlage:Stammbaum --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 17:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::: No problem. As for the template: I would just port the english Familytree template over from scratch, and see if you get the same errors. I don't have the time to do it now, but I did put it on my to-do list. If you can't get to it, then I'll be able to do so after the Easter holiday. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:39, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::I will try it tomorrow or this evening, but I can remember, that I once copy and paste it from the german wikipedia site and it also doesnt work correctly. {{unsigned|Enabran}}
:::::: It's a complicated template. I know that [[User:Shane|Shane]] had problems porting it over as well... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:14, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I don't know anything about templates, but after hours of testing it seems to work :-) (maybe an easter wonder). As first attempt I created the [[de:Vorlage:Stammbaum zylonischer Evolution|german version]] of your [[Template:Cylon evolution tree|zylon tree]]. But I do not know why there is so much free space between the top and the first line. Maybe you can take a look at it? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 09:01, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

== Happy holidays ==

Hi Joe! Just wanted to say hi and happy holidays to you and yours. I am well, hope you are too. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Jeremy! Happy Holidays! I am doing well, and I'm glad to see that you are too! :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hah, I feel bad now. ==

Since I've joined here, the only thing I've been doing is tinkering with the Glare page. Now I feel bad that's all I've been doing. =/ I gotta help out for the reals, so do any pages need serious revision/are missing a lot of crap that I can help out with? --[[User:NeutraVega|NeutraVega]] 19:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

: Hi there! :D Sorry for the long delay in replying, but we had the database locked and the site moved to new servers, thus the delay. Anyway, we could use the most help on the [[Caprica pilot]] page and subjects relating to ''Caprica''. So if you'd like to start there, that'd be great. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

== Advertising and problem on media repository ==

Hi Joe and Happy New Year, 
As I already said to Shan, I can see that you succeed to bring back the wiki. Congratulations. I have two point to ask.
# I made a donation for the wiki to avoid advertising but I still have them on the screen, why? Thank you for your answer.
# On the media repository, I tried to upload an image. It is actually somewhere in the directory but the sofware is unable to create a thumbnail. It says that it cannot find the "convert" file on the server. So for now, it's impossible to add new images on the media repository.
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

: Happy New Year to you too! :D
: Anyway, I went ahead and upgraded your account to sponsor status, so you shouldn't see the ads. If you do, try logging in and out again. If that doesn't work, a hard refresh should clear the cache. As for the convert issue, I'll have Shane look into it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Thanks, I've no ads anymore. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Awesome! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
: Fixed the issue with the media repository as well. Cheers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

== InterBot and BS Pegasus ==

Hi Joe. 
1. It seems that [[:fr:User:InterBot|InterBot]] doesn't work because the interwiki link I made on the pages I created aren't duplicated on the other wikis. 
2. I don't have access to [http://www.battlestarpegasus.com/ BS Pegasus] either. It says it's forbidden. Is there any problem since the server transfer or something? 
Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 21:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, Still doesn't work for both points. Do you have any answer for that please? Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry, I've been pretty busy. (Barely have had time to really work on the wiki, other than to greet the newcomers.) To answer your questions:
: 1. Shane needs to reprogram the InterBot. He hasn't had time to do that as he's been working on projects for Best Buy.
: 2. The BS Pegasus site is down. No ETA on when that'll be back up as it isn't priority. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 01:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Calendar dates on auction items ==

Hi Joe,

I expanded the [[Colonial calendar#Different Dating Methods]] section with information from a couple of auction items and noticed in the process that you wrote at least some of the blog entries at battlestarprops.com. Do you recall seeing any calendar items I haven't mentioned yet, and if so, could you point me to their pictures? It would also be nice to see a higher resolution scan of Socrata's medal of valor document, if one is available.

Regards,

-- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

: I honestly never really paid all that much attention to the dating thing, since it was all made up anyway. (''Star Trek'''s "stardate" system is a very good example of this, actually. It isn't until they did TNG that they really put thought into it.) There is very little consistency behind the dating on any of the paperwork; in television production, much of it is thrown together—some of it even at the very last minute—even taking into account the quality of BSG's paperwork being higher than other genre television series. It isn't until ''Caprica'' that they really tried to address the issue of the Colonial dating method, because it's simply not natural not to have characters ''not'' say "Hey Lacy, meet me for lunch on Saturday."

: As for photos of the stuff, the [http://archive.propworx.com Propworx archive] has photos of everything that's been auctioned through Propworx. I also know of a few fans who have won many paperwork documents from the BSG auctions (both live and via eBay) that have taken the time to scan them, but most of their work is on private boards and some prop replication communities. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The scans on that site have a much higher resolution and I already found a couple of items with supposed dates. I would like to document them in the article primarily to establish that there was no real system in the re-imagined series as opposed to ''Caprica''. Such random alphanumerics also suggest to the reader that the dates in Adama's dossier need not be correct necessarily (e.g. the year 20000+). -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 18:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

== "pos" extended parser function ==

Hi Joe, I would like to ask if it is possible to add the "'''''pos'''''" Parser Function into the wiki, this will allow to do some research more easily (for example to do an action on pages with a certain text and not on the others). Thanks for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 12:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

: Do you have a link so I can check this out? I take it this is an extension to MW. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:: Check [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions this link] to see. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 18:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

::: It's now installed. I'd be interested to see how you use this. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 20:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:::: One example for the moment:
::::* The [[fr:Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite, 1re nuit|Modèle:Apparitions Télésuite]] template using [[fr:Modèle:Apparition]]. I use the '''''pos''''' to show the number of apparitions only on the Apparition page (condition) :
::::** When you see it inside the episode: [[fr:Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages|Télésuite, 1re nuit#Apparition des personnages]]
::::** When you see it inside the characters apparition page: [[fr:Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode#Battlestar Galactica|Liste des apparitions des personnages par épisode]]. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 20:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== HTML activation ==

Hi Joe, I think the wiki has not the HTML function activated because I tried to import some Wikipedia template to adapt them to the wiki and those have htlm writing inside and it doesn't work. So, please, is it possible to activate html editing in the french wiki? Thanks a lot. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 11:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
: Which templates are affected? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[fr:Modèle:Infobox/Ligne mixte|This one]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Why not just use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables wikicode table syntax]? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: I tried it but there is an issue when you use a template using parser function inside another template using parser functions. It doesn't recognise at all a link (an image for an example) created by the template inside, it separates the link like a colspan. At least, is it possible to activate only the <code><nowiki><td><hr><tr></nowiki></code> tags? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: OK, I should get to activating those HTML tags sometime tonight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== SVG generation ==

Hi Joe, I hope you're fine, I've seen a little problem with the SVG generator. It doesn't work properly. Here is the message I get :

<code>Erreur lors de la création de la miniature : /usr/bin/rsvg: not found</code>

I think it's a missing file forgot during the transfer last december. Thank you for your answer. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 08:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

: It's that rsvg isn't presently installed on the new server. I'll send in a support request. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

:: Hi, Joe, Still doesn't work, sorry. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: Yeah, that's because I was sidetracked and neglected sending that support request. I've sent it in and hope to hear from someone in the next 48 hours. Sorry about that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::: OK, they've installed it. All should be good now. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:::: YES, it's working. Thanks. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

::::: Hi Joe, I think I've a bit too quick to say Hurra. There is still a problem. There is no generation of image but instead of, we have the name of the file. See [[:fr:Modèle:Drapeau]] or [[:fr:Michael Rymer]] for example. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::: Looking into it now... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: I'd have to track down the exact error, since our server host doesn't supply tech support for MediaWiki (understandably so) an Shane is busy with projects. Of course, I have no time to do it right not until mid-October because I am committed to other projects right now. Would it be possible to use PNGs for the flags until we can get the SVG issue ironed out? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 01:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== removal of my question ==

Hi !

Yes, it was a real question : how could the pegasus avoid further contamination by the Cylon virus. Is this answered in future episodes ?

Why did you simply remove my question ?

Regards,
Nixab (new fan and new contributor here).

:I think it's a valid question, Joe, so I noted that the answer is in [[Razor]] and spelled it out in the [[Answered Questions from Season 2 (RDM)#Pegasus|Answered Questions from Season 2]]. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

: Fair enough, and I agree. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 05:11, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jupiter-class battlestar issue ==

I have a problem with your edit of my edit on the Jupiter class battlestar Galactica. The book I refered to is canon since it was written by the science advisor to BSG and sactioned by SyFy and Ron Moore. If yoiu prefer your wiki not to contain official information then that is fine and I will not bother to add any other information to your site. I will rely solely on official material such as this book. Cancel my membersip please.
Good Bye. {{unsigned|Lonewriter}}

: Please refer to [[BW:CITE#Acceptable_Sources|Acceptable Sources]], which list the sources of what makes something canon. Just because there is an error in a book sanctioned by Syfy Channel, does not mean it is automatically canon. As I've only started reading the book, I've already noticed errors (mostly with spelling, such as Cally's name), that raises a few doubts in my mind when it comes to how thoroughly the book was copyedited.

: As I believe I had explained, the episode that the writers of the book refer to ("Pegasus") does ''not'' make mention of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class. ''At all.'' So, they made a mistake, or improperly cited the source. (Now, if it came from the script for that episode, I can see that. We've used scripts as sources before.)

: Now, if Ron Moore or David Eick were to come out and say "well, they're right, ''Galactica'' is a ''Jupiter'' class" then we will certainly note that, and cite that it came from them. Furthermore, maybe I wasn't clear, but I'm not saying that we should throw out the reference at all, but '''it needs to be pointed out that the way the information is present is in ''direct contradiction to what viewers saw on screen.'''''

: Believe me, were this information aired in "Pegasus" fans would have eaten that up, just like they (we) ate up the whole ''Mercury'' class reference that Adama made before Cain boarded the ship. :)

: Now, as to your immature comment, it does suggest that you probably wouldn't be a good editor here, because you don't seem to understand how to critically analyze information, or the necessity of viewing all information with a critical eye. That's fine. There are people who simply don't have that ability. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, you don't have to use the site, at all. I hate to be disingenuous and brusque, but if you're going to use appeals to emotion instead of actually bothering to do the research (which I, and many, many fans have done over the past five-plus years) then you're welcome to leave and never look back.

: However, let me be particularly clear when I say this: what I have done is pointed out this error, which you've brought to our attention, so thank you for that. Now, if you want to act like a prima donna and storm off in a huff, then that's your call. You're more than welcome to stay, or you are more than welcome to leave. Ball is in your court. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== William Adama edits ==

I seem to find the spoiler tag formatting (I edit on wikipedia but we have nothing similar there) so I'm just going to be as vague as I can be and hope you understand. While reading over the spoilered info on William Adama's page that you recently added I realized that you have a character connection slightly off. If you check my edit history, you'll see I made a similar change on a related page. Hope that's enough for you to see what I meant (since I can't edit the Old Man's page). [[User:Millahnna|Millahnna]] 23:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

: Yes, I got what you meant! I'll make the correction now! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Duram's files at Propworx ==

Hi Joe,

Have you preserved alternate photographs of Duram's files which are now on eBay? The available photo makes Clarice's file halfway legible, but I'm curious what's in Amanda's and other files. I'm not planning on buying them though, since I'm only interested in the information, not in provenance. Even so, thanks for participating in the auctions — the photos have provided so much useful information that would've normally disappeared with the shows. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 22:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

: I'd have to ask Jarrod, since he's the one who oversees the Caprica auction stuff out in LA. (I'm not in LA, so I don't have easy access to this stuff myself.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== Reference in Template ==

What does putting the ref in break? I don't see anything unusual except that the 33 has to be bracketed to be a link. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

: Issue is that the brackets are printed out, and they really shouldn't be. I guess I'll have to modify the infobox template to deal with that. Basically a separate field that is only for references, like "|seenref=". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 00:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

== Affiliation ==

Hello would you like this wiki to affiliate with my independent wiki http://stargate-wiki.org/ ? [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 23:38, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

: Hi there, feel free to e-mail me directly at joe@frakmedia.net so we can talk about it more. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:44, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

Not sure if you got my email or not, anyway, would you prefer to join the SIWA Network (Scifi independent wiki alliance)? http://siwanetwork.webs.com Basically just lets more people interlink with these wikis and its always good to have more links to your site laying around. It costs nothing and we dont really ask for anything in return. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 06:35, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: Thank you for the offer, but I will decline. I really see no benefit for this wiki and its contributors in being a part of the SIWA Network. In fact, I feel that our inclusion would only be beneficial for you, seeing as we have a wide exposure. We've run into loose fan organizations like SIWA before, and frankly they are not worth the bandwidth that it takes to pull up the webpage. Our experience is that such things are not professionally run and are basically glorified fly-by-night operations operated by unprofessional, doe-eyed fans with unrealistic expectations. Nothing personal against you, it is just our experience. And, as for traffic and links, we've found that being a part of a glorified "webring" has no return on investiment. A majority of new traffic has always, and without fail, come from two sources: 1) word-of-mouth (forums and social networks), and 2) search engines. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:25, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

I had 22 new visitors to my site because of SIWA. Your loss i guess. Also it really doesn't make it less offensive when you call me: unprofessional, doe-eyed fan with unrealistic expectations then say no offence. Even you should see that. Well if you change your mind, let me know. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 11:56, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: And how many of those 22 people will stick around and contribute in the long-haul? Since there are so many Stargate wikis out there, those results aren't surprising... and, don't get your hopes up, as they will be short lived. Traffic from web rings and "alliances" is short-lived, and with extremely poor to negligible long-term ROI. I've been running websites for the last 15 years, so I am well aware of what I'm taking about.

: Furthermore, I was not making a personal attack against you: I was making a general observation about such organizations. However, since you are keen to make it about yourself: given your behavior in the past towards another member of this website (and bringing problems from an outside wiki to this Wiki directly and without provocation from us), I find ''that'' unprofessional. End of subject. Thank you for the offer, and have a splendid day. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:16, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

Wow, take it overboard much. I was going to link certain articles like actors other work here etc but because of that attitude, you can forget it [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 12:21, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

: Your attitude and sour disposition are the problems here. After all, you were the one who [[User_talk:LIMAFOX76|brought outside problems from another website to this one]]. ''You'' initiated it here. ''You'' deliberately sought the user in question, tracked them to this website, and brought ''your'' problems to an open forum instead of taking it up with the user via e-mail. ''You'' involved us, and ''I'' put a stop to it. I have no ill will towards you personally, but your immature behavior here and your inability to properly deal with issues in a mature manner exemplifies why we are careful in associating with other organizations and websites.

: At any rate, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. Farewell. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:39, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

::Wow alcohol and wiki editing should never be mixed, i don't remember writing most of that. Back to my original idea of affiliation, one of your bsg wiki 'friends' perhaps. Many BSG actors have been on Stargate. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 01:21, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

::: We'll think about it, thanks. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:50, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

== Electronic smockers ==

Hi Joe, There is another giant spam attack on the repository by electronic smockers. I just mark the articles and images for speedy delete. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 10:22, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

: Sadly, I've noticed that... I've been trying a few different methods to block them, and think I've managed to block them on the EN wiki. We'll see. (I've just been battling it manually as I see it.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:15, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

:: Hi Joe, I found more old spammers who were selling certificates and car insurrances. I saw also two recent uploaded files: this one and this one. What do you thing about that? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:57, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::: Cool! I've also added those terms to the blacklist. As for the two files: those were uploaded by a spammer. Feel free to delete them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:05, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::: Done. This spammer has been blocked too. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:13, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::::: Hi Joe, I found iPhone spamming article on md. I added iPhone on both en and md blacklist. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 16:56, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::: Awesome! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::: Hi Joe, It's seems that the spamming business has goten other BW languages. I cleaned up the Chinese one and now I currently take the Spanish one but the spammers seem more subtil. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 13:08, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I think the Spanish wiki is cleaned now. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:41, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

== Senior Chief rights on FR ==

Hi Joe, I don't know if I deserve them, but I would like to ask you if it is possible to grant me Senior Chief for the [[fr:|French BW]]. Thank you for your answer (Yes or No, no problem at all). --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 14:17, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Not sure this is a gaffe ==

[[He_That_Believeth_In_Me#Gaffes]] contains this final paragraph, which I think should be deleted:
:Tracey tells Baltar prior to their intercourse that the door to the group's hideout is locked and that only the two of them are in the room, but when Jeanne returns with Derrick, she is able to reenter even though both Tracey and Baltar are still asleep (presumably she said this to put Baltar more at ease).
Saying that a door is locked does not preclude the possibility of others entering. A locked door can be unlocked. Other doors on Galactica are locked with keypads (like the one rigged to blow up Romo Lampkin), and there is no reason to think Jeanne would not have the entry code.

Talk:Maelstrom/Archive 1

2011-07-10T22:31:50Z

Dogger55: /* Viper construction and atmospheric pressure */

==Official Source required==

Working episode titles are always shaky, even from official sources. The [[BW:OC|Official Communiques]] articles lists those confirmed by an official source, but even these are subject to change. Gateworld is not an official source and can be more wrong than the official preliminary title. Best to wait on this or verify the source. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:39, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

So far they've been correct for Season 3, and usually ahead of most other sources by several days. Waiting won't hurt [[User:Hmoul|Seattle Cylon]] 14:15, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
*I posed this title to Bradley Thompson and he chose not to confirm the title as a "working title" where he usually confirms "working titles". There may be a reason, may not be, but for our purposes, this should be considered rumor and innuendo and should be deleted.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:02, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
::{{vd}} as well. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:06, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

==Promo Pics==
Are up [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a7qzs here]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:28, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:I'd use the one with her mother as preview pic here. Aside from the ones with Leoben, the others are pretty generic. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:35, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::I posted the one with leoben before I read this. I liked the starbuck's destiny angle, but will change if the consensus dictates it. This gives me another ideas. Promo pic gallery in the article until it airs. I am really looking at ways to use more images since we are discussing a TV show. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:14, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:::That one's fine too. As for the gallery, sure. However, you should probably resize the pictures a bit before uploading them as they are very large --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:23, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::::If you think so, I will move this discussion to the Quorum? where discussion can start before writing up a Think tank proposal. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:34, 1 February 2007 (CST)

==Bonus Scene==
Maybe I missed something last week (I didn't go watch the ENTIRE bonus scene online), but when I went tonight to check out the Dirty Hands bonus scene, there was a bonus scene up from Maelstrom. Did anyone else see this? This shouldn't have been up yet, right? At any rate I got a sneak peak...even if it was a deleted scene :) --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 00:42, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Kara and Cylon ==

I had a brilliant thought the other night. Kara gets killed in this episode and wakes up in a ress chamber on Caprica. First words out of her mouth, "Oh sh!t". That could explain the pic of her back on Caprica with Leoben. I bet she is a Cylon. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 14:53, 26 February 2007 (CST)

You read my mind --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 20:09, 5 March 2007 (CST)
== ''Maelstrom'' Predictions! ==

Strap into your Vipers, ''Galactica'' fans! It's time for another round of predictions!
Sure, the All-Seeing, All-Knowing Slander struck out big time last week, but I got in some high-quality chamalla the other day and BOY is it potent! Anybody got any candy?
* Recon Delta, which consists of a two-man [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] crewed by Captain [[Kanon]] and Lieutenant [[Britton]], is on patrol when it picks up readings of an advanced Cylon fighter.
* Suddenly, a previously unseen [[Cylon Raider|Cylon Raider]] appears and fires at them.
* The [[warbook]] brings back a readout of the occupants: the Raider crew appear to be human.
* [[Kanon]] decides on a desperate strategy and rams the ship, damaging both craft.
* The huge Cylon fighter tumbles towards Earth, and [[Britton]] is injured.

Wait. Frak. I'm sorry. That's [[The Night the Cylons Landed, Part I]]. [[Wolfman Jack]] was so awesome, though. Let's try this again.

*Starbuck goes nuts, even though she's seemed perfectly fine during the last few times we've seen her.
*Starbuck goes to see a psychiatrist.
*Like everyone with a deep interest in human nature on this show, said psychiatrist turns out to be a Cylon, but she doesn't know it until Starbuck's discussions about Leoben awaken her buried Cylon memories. She's just as surprised as the rest of us! (Moreso, actually, since we're not surprised at all.)
*Leoben is gonna be all over this episode, but mostly in hallucinations and flashbacks. Also, he gets it on with a SuicideGirl. ("Like, being a creepy, religious machine is, like, ''totally'' a turn-on!")
*I'm sensing an Anders appearance, but that could just be my unsexual man-love for Anders talking.
*Speaking of unsexual man-love, Zarek also puts in a brief appearance because, during filming, Richard Hatch was in town for a convention and the writers felt the need to inject ''even more awesomeness'' into this episode. Shame they can't resurrect [[Wolfman Jack]] for an episode or two, isn't it?
*Kara crashes her Viper, injuring herself so badly that we won't see her for the rest of the season.
*For the first time all season, Galvatron fails to make an appearance. This is because he's busy filming an episode of ''Ghost Whisperer''. Jennifer Love Hewitt's so damn hot.

This half of the season finally starts to build some momentum with this episode, leading up to what's sure to be a mind-smashing, cliff-hanging finale. After that's over, I guess I'll move over to GateWorld and start doing ''Stargate'' predictions. Do they have a good wiki? --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 11:23, 2 March 2007 (CST)

== A reminder to all contributors ==

The events of this episode should be treated as canon. While speculation is allowed, please avoid [[BW:FANW|fanwanking]] into the possibilities created by the event within this article. Episode summaries and its question and analysis are for relevant unanswered questions generated by this episode only. Some people may take a [[Beings of Light]] parallelism to it; because there is no connection officially established between the Original Series and Re-imagined Series on this, it is better to leave that trail alone. Also remember that talk pages aren't chat boards, so discuss the episode elsewhere (email, Sci Fi Forums, etc.) to keep wiki performance at its best. Thanks! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:08, 5 March 2007 (CST)

== Who will take Kara's place as Galactica's Viper ace? ==

I would SO like that to be [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]]. It wouldn't be the first time the show sets up replacements ahead of time. Racetrack was intended to replace Crashdown after he died, but introduced when Crashdown was still alive and well on Kobol. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:23, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:They already did the "nugget becomes ace pilot" thing with Kat. While more screentime for Seelix would be nice, they could also increase Hot Dog's role, who has been a pilot for some time now. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:27, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::True. Hot Dog has been around for some time, and he's the only good Viper pilot we know who's still not a Captain and has never been CAG (Starbuck, Apollo and Kat all have). Now I'm not suggesting Hot Dog be CAG, but he could replace Starbuck as a squadron leader. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:39, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::I agree, I want to see Hotdog move into more prominence in the show. He's the last of the original 3 nuggets we came to know. I would hate it if they killed him before we actually have a Hotdog centered story.--[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:15, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah, he's the best of what's left. Who recognizes where that paraphrased quote is from? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:36, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:::While I agree that Hot Dog is probably the best of the remaining Viper pilots, they could also transfer Athena, Racetrack, Helo, or possibly even Skulls. Don't know if Skulls has ever been pilot rather than ECO, though. --[[User:Psilon|Psilon]] 17:01, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::::Ehm, these are ''Raptor'' pilots, not ''Viper'' pilots. Piloting a Viper is different than piloting a Raptor. With that said, the only two people I can think of that would step up to the plate are Hotdog and Seelix. Hell, even [[Narcho]], since we see a lot of him now. I do hope that we see more of the ex-''Pegasus'' Viper jockeys as well, and would welcome them back into the fold. (Were the Great Powers able to pull it off, I think re-introducing [[Cole Taylor]] would prove awesome, and a great foil for Lee given their past history. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:40, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:::::Hmm, maybe the tatooed pilot? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::::::Stinger's still scraping hull paint off civilian ships right now, if Lee has anything to say about it. That guy was a frakwit from the first words out of his mouth. I'm cool on Hot Dog, since being squadron leader will cool his jets ''just a little'' while we see his cool competency. From his first rookie flight, he's quite a natural, and had a great line in "Exodus Part II" as he launches intra-atmosphere from the falling battlestar: "This should be interesting..." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:25, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:::::I'd like to see Marcia "[[Showboat]]" Case again, but that will probably never happen :( --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:35, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:::::: Agreed. She's a hottie. I'd like to see Narcho stepping up to a more prominent role, too. Sebastian Spence is a fantastically-talented actor and I was delighted to see him step off the Raptor in ''Pegasus''. Just watch ''First Wave'' to see him shine. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 15:05, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::::"He's the best of what's left." --> Do you mean "You're the best non-commissioned officer I have left.?" -- Adama, [[Litmus]]? If it's from another sci-fi series, I must confess that I don't know shit about them :P --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:12, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:::::Actually, it was a reference to the movie [http://imdb.com/title/tt0107144/ Hot Shots Part Deux] (it was on tv when I was replying to that) where the government goes to get Topper Harley to go rescue all the captured people in Iraq since he's all that is left. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:19, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::::Don't Forget Bulldog... --[[User:Ublej|Ublej]] 15:58, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:::::Hell yeah, almost forgot about that guy. I'd like to see him actually flying a Viper. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:10, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::::::How about taking a spin in the Viper seat? That'd be nice a little "Independence Day" for madam president!--Zareck Rocks 20:49, 9 March 2007 (CST)

== Some notes on gas giants and pressure ==

Since there was some back and forth editing going on on analysis of the destruction of the Viper, I thought I would put some scientific information here to clear up some issues.
* Human beings can actually survive a great deal of pressure, as long as we breathe the right pressurized air mixture. Scuba divers have gone down to over 30 atmospheres, I think people in pressure tank tests have gone further. The risk is that you must depressurize slowly and properly on the way back up or you will get bends/embolisms. We're way more able to handle it than a sealed ship.
* Probes we have sent into Jupiter (such as from Galileo) were able to fall for over an hour down to about 100 miles of depth where they were shut down not by pressure (about 30 atmospheres there) but by the temperature from Jupiter's surprising internal heat.
* The atmosphere is typically hydrogen/methane. That can burn if Oxygen is provided, though it typically does not explode unless the mixture is made just right. The leaking of hydrogen/methane into a ship could cause trouble if not designed for (though I would personally not want to use such ships in a Jovian atmosphere at all.)
* Spacecraft, meant mostly for spaceflight, are usually not designed to withstand much external pressure at all. It adds a lot of weight to do that. They are built to handle the reverse -- their own internal pressure, ranging from 5psi to 15psi (1 Atmosphere.)
* However, a spacecraft with a hull breach or broken window would equalize pressure, and not be crushed in that section. A ship rated for travel in a dense atmosphere would normally just equalize pressure rather than let itself be crushed. Vipers, we have to presume, are not designed for this.
* A helmet, with a curved dome, would be much more resistant to pressure than a ship, and in an ejection suit, this is how it would be designed. However, fairly trivially, it could be designed to equalize pressure if needed. However, Viper helmets, if never intended for use in dense atmosphere, might not do that. (Starbuck's helmet, presuming the window is really broken, obviously works at the pressure she encounters up to the Viper's destruction.)
* Winds would be very dangerous -- they are very strong, and stay strong as you go deep -- up to 700 km/h!
* As noted, on Jupiter one could probably freefall for over an hour, no parachute, with just a scuba tank, before pressure would get you. The temperature and winds would be the killers.
* Fuel tanks and air tanks of course are highly pressurized inside, and would not be damaged by high pressure.
* At the point that pressure is reaching about 2 atmospheres on Jupiter, no light from the sun is getting in. The area they fly appears to have some sunlight still present.

I don't know whether Starbuck will be back or not, on that we can only speculate. I normally prefer dead characters to stay dead. I just want to keep the notes on the physics of their situation consistent with science as we understand it.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:33, 7 March 2007 (CST)

:Be that as it may be, the section read like "IF Starbuck ejected, and IF she could survive in her suit for some hours, and IF someone magically picked her up, then she would survive". And that's kinda fanwanky. Better to write nothing at all then.
:Yeah, she could survive relatively easily in the upper atmosphere, but we don't know how far the Viper went down. It has been established that the ship would burn up (as it did at the end; it wasn't really crushed). So all those explanations aside, the temperature would likely also destroy a spacesuit after a while too, especially if she descended even farther down (maybe that should be mentioned and the whole pressure thing be dropped).
:Saying that the odds for her survival can't be determined is ok, but then the whole thing is kinda pointless in a way. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:45, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::Yup. I was just correcting some notes that were saying she was surely crushed by the pressure, and they were getting re-corrected so I wanted to lay down the physics to avoid that sort of back and forth. It may be that the best thing to say is that the circumstances were left ambiguous, and that based on what we know, we can't say she'll be back, and we can't say she won't. What's worth documenting is what we see in the show, and what we know from science (since it claims to try to be a naturalistic SF show). The only speculative conclusion is that we don't know what happened to her. The way I see it a good role of the wiki is to document all the clues you might wish to know in order to do your own speculations, while not doing those speculations for you. Of course, speculations will always drive those clues -- the main reason you are interested in whether the raider was real or not, or whether she could have survived or not is to form your own hypothesis on how like it is she'll be back. The way to draw the line is to include in the Wiki entries of the form, "If you want to speculate for yourself on Starbuck, here are the facts" rather than "I think Starbuck is dead/alive because of xxx"--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:30, 7 March 2007 (CST)

Rather that have a debate on the issue in successive edits, I have simplified the text to a statement that we don't have sufficient information to judge how good the Galactica ejection suits are. We thus are not going to resolve this. Also corrected wind speed quote from 100 miles/second (which is impossible) to 700 km/hour recorded by NASA probes. Wiki page cited only notes 100 m/s, which is 360 km/hour or 225 mph, quite a bit less than 100 miles/second, which is .05% of lightspeed. {{unsigned|Bradterm}}

I'd like to note for the record that while I don't remember whether dialog established this planet as a gas giant, throughout both of the later flight scenes, both Gaeta and Tigh (and the display Gaeta keeps watch) refer to the "hard deck." In essense they're saying pull up or you will crash into the surface. Jovian planets don't have a "surface" like terrestrial planets do. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_giant] I'm not making any points for Starbuck's alive or dead or somewhere inbetween debate. Just pointing out that we may be focusing on the planet make up a bit too much.
:Whoops...I was so busy figuring out how to properly source my above comment I forgot to sign it!--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 09:06, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:Don't take it too literally. It's a phrase for the altitude where the pressure and temperature will destroy a craft. Not literally the surface. Tigh says as much. The strong magnetic fields that gas giants can have could also explain the presence of [[w:Synchrotron radiation|synchrotron radiation]]. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:14, 9 March 2007 (CST)

== Viper construction and atmospheric pressure ==
My problem with the scientific discussion in the [[Talk:Maelstrom#Some_notes_on_gas_giants_and_pressure|preceding section]] is that it treats the [[Viper_(RDM)|Viper]] as a single component rather than a collection of components, such as weapons, engines, fuel tanks, life-support and cockpit. Some components may not be pressurized, while others certainly are.

We learned in [[Dirty Hands]] that refined [[Tylium]] is a liquid, and is pumped into Viper fuel tanks much like gasoline. In flight, this fuel must be supplied to the engines in a variety of conditions, such as zero-gravity, high g-force maneuvers, atmospheric operations including climbing and diving, and flipping, reversing, turning and braking. This most likely involves sealed tanks which are pressurized sufficiently to keep the Tylium flowing steadily.

The breach of Kara's pressurized cockpit would equalize pressure between that component and the atmosphere, but would not affect fuel tank pressure. As Kara plummets, we see her fuel tanks appear intact as her Viper fuselage heats up, catches fire and explodes. Obviously, much heat is generated before the fire ignites, and that would weaken the structural ability of the fuel tanks to withstand increasing pressure. So I posit the following sequence of events:
*As Kara's Viper dives through the atmosphere, pressure increases and her fuselage heats up, getting weaker and weaker to the point of failure.
*The fuel tanks rupture under pressure and begin leaking fuel.
*The fuel contacts the searing hot fuselage, ignites and explodes.
I'm not a scientist or an engineer (dammit, Jim), but this seems plausible and consistent with events. Perhaps someone with a more appropriate background can enlighten me. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 13:26, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Did Apollo see the Heavy Raider? ==
RDM has had a couple of 20-questions session on the Battlestar Galactica Forum at SciFi.com. The answer to this question is that Apollo didn't not see the Raider. Didn't whether to move the question here or answer on the episode page. I am planning on adding a entry pointing to the exact threads when I make it home. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:50, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:Do you mean "see" or "notice"? He doesn't appear to notice it in the show, though the audience sees it from his PoV (I put up a screencap of that.) Could not find the thread so await your link.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 19:42, 9 March 2007 (CST)
::Someone was kind enough to condensed the posts into [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2267125 one] for the second set of questions. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:59, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:::A link to the original post from RDM's username is necessary. Once that is found, the note should be placed under "official statements". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:09, 9 March 2007 (CST)

== Visual symbolism, maybe, perhaps ==

I was watching this in the not too long ago (i.e. last week) when I noticed something beautiful. When Kara walks by Roslin in Adama, she strolls through a corridor where some crewmen are working on the lights. When she gets there, the lights go out, but upon turning around and walking away, the light comes back on. It struck as something that was put in there to me something, but I can't really get my head around as to what that something might be. Anyone have a guess or am I just looking for metaphors behind metaphorical bushes? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 22:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:Foreshadowing of her apparent death in Maelstrom and her return at the end of Crossroads? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::Or foreshadowing her prophesied role as herald of the apocalypse, and maybe a hint maybe that the future is not set in stone, that there is a choice. If "all this has happened before, and it will happen again", there were past heralds of the apocalypse, and humanity survived each time to begin the cycle again.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 14:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Is Starbuck from Earth? ==

On her death bed Kara's mother has many items without the corners cut off. However, not all the items were square. Most notably, a painting of the concentric circles is on a square piece of paper. Is this significant or just a mistake?
--[[User:Hulkenergy|Hulkenergy]] 00:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== Doll ==

Is there a significance to the doll seen in the episode? The same blonde doll in a glass case is seen in [[Yolanda Brenn]]'s place early in the episode and on [[Socrata Thrace]]'s bedstand towards the end of the episode. --[[User:Jörg|Jörg]] 00:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/gaghyogi49/BSG/YolandaBrennsdollMaelstrom.jpg
http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/gaghyogi49/BSG/SocrataThracesdollMaelstrom.jpg

: Probably. There's a lot of symbolism in that episode, particularly regarding the mandala. (The tube of ointment next to the doll in the second picture has a small radiant circle that resembles the mandala.) Or it could be a very popular collectors item in the Colonies. There's nothing in [[Podcast:Maelstrom|the commentary]] about it, but definitely raises an interesting question. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The Son Also Rises

2011-07-10T19:28:23Z

Dogger55: /* Development */

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== Overview ==
:''With [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial merely two weeks away, [[Lee Adama]] is tasked with protecting [[Romo Lampkin]], Baltar's second lawyer, and finds himself going up against [[William Adama|his own father]], who himself is appointed as one of the five judges in Baltar's trial.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

[[Image:Adama's b-day card.jpg|thumb|right|Adama happens upon an old, self-made birthday card from [[Kara Thrace]], while reviewing her jacket.]]
* [[William Adama]] reviews [[Kara Thrace]]'s service record file, which includes various disciplinary notices, commendations, and citations.
* Meanwhile, on ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] presides over a drawing of ship captains who will comprise the five judges of [[Gaius Baltar]]'s tribunal. [[Tory Foster]] picks up a folded card from the bowl, handing it to Roslin. It reads: Captain [[Elias Meeker]], ''[[Gideon]]''.
* Adama looks through more of Thrace's records, including a commendation for bravery regarding her actions in recovering the civilians from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].
* Foster draws one last name from the bowl. When Roslin opens it, she initially begins to read the card aloud, but stops herself as she reads the name, clearly shocked.
* As Adama continues to slowly run through the jacket, he happens across a self-made birthday card from Thrace to him. The cover reads: "You were always like a father to me . . ." Upon opening the card, he sees a picture of Thrace, who is wearing his glasses and has doodled a [[Adamastache|mustache]] onto the photo. Above the picture are the words "See the resemblance?" and below, "Happy birthday, young man". It is signed it with "much love, Kara". This elicits a laugh from Adama, who begins to tear up and sniffle.
* On the flight deck, a grieving and inebriated [[Samuel Anders]] stands on top of a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]], tossing a coin, calling "heads" correctly for the fourth time in a row. Watching him are [[Anthony Figurski]], [[Hamish McCall]] and [[Margaret Edmondson]].
* In the [[memorial hallway]], [[Lee Adama]] stands in front of the section containing [[Louanne Katraine|Kat's]] picture. He thumbs with a photo of Thrace, keeping it close to his belly, then pocketing it as he hears the sound of Racetrack's footsteps. Edmondson then gets his attention by calling Adama by his rank.
* Still standing above the cockpit of the Viper, Anders holds out the cubit, saying that his "girl is too lucky to check out". Adama and Edmondson approach; Adama joins Anders on top of the Viper and attempts to talk him down. Emotionally distraught, he initially sits down, then jumps up, saying he has somewhere to go, but he doesn't complete his words as he slips and falls from the Viper. Adama climbs down from the Viper as some of the spectators begin to cluster near the fallen Anders, who says "I think I fell".
* As Adama checks Anders over for injuries, Anders asks him, "She's still alive, right?" Adama replies in the negative, and Anders tearfully claims that he knows.
* In [[CIC]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] tells Adama he's been selected as one of the five ship captains that form Baltar's tribunal.
* On the hangar deck, Racetrack complains about having to fly [[Alan Hughes|Baltar's lawyer]] back and forth from the ''[[Zephyr]]''. Her chief grievances are that he whispers into her ear and takes his shoes off on board.
* Skulls wonders why Baltar is even given a trial while he's obviously guilty, to which Cally replies that it's justice.
* An explosive charge detonates aboard the [[Raptor]]. Racetrack walks out unharmed, but Baltar's lawyer is dead.

===Act 1===
*A press conference takes place on ''[[Colonial One]]'' with reporters firing questions at President Roslin about the trial, a replacement defense attorney, and other matters. Roslin firmly maintains that no terrorist acts will affect the trial.
*In the [[Pilot ready rooms|pilot ready room]], the mood is also somber. Major Adama is distracted and making mistakes as he plans a reconnaissance operation. At one point, Adama mistakenly calls Racetrack Starbuck after the [[Raptor]] pilot makes a joke to [[Sharon Agathon]] about checking under her seat. An awkward silence descends upon the room. Adama apologizes, then quickly dismisses the group.
*Roslin interviews Baltar's new attorney, [[Romo Lampkin]] with Admiral Adama present. Lampkin abruptly introduces the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet leaders]] to his [[Lance|cat]], who is in a foul mood.
*Adama asks his son to head up the security detail for the new attorney. When the younger Adama objects to being grounded as [[CAG]] and indicating that he's "okay", the admiral tells him that he knows that his son isn't okay because the admiral himself is also still in grief over Thrace's death.
*Lampkin is given his quarters and asks to see Baltar. Lampkin wants to choose a room that is unlikely to be wired for surveillance. He tells Major Adama that he was a student of his grandfather, [[Joseph Adama]].
*The scene shifts to see someone's gloved hands preparing explosive charges.

===Act 2===
*Baltar, in a bulletproof vest, is escorted by [[Marine]]s to his attorney in Major Adama's quarters. The major is present, but Lampkin assures Baltar that he has signed a confidentiality agreement.
*Baltar is agitated as he writes more quick notes for his [[My Triumphs, My Mistakes|manifesto]]. He knows that the tribunal will use [[Caprica Six]] against him.
*When Lampkin asks to be taken to ''Colonial One'', Adama objects. When he insults Adama, the major reacts violently, his stress over the events of the last two weeks coming forth briefly.
*Adama manages to convince Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] to fly the Raptor with [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] and Lampkin aboard, despite the admiral's grounding order for the major.
*As the Raptor's door is almost closed, Lampkin's cat escapes through the hatchway, and the door is reopened while other [[deckhand|deckhands]] scramble to chase the cat.
*As Chief Tyrol crawls under the Raptor to reach the cat, he discovers the bomb, and everyone madly scrambles away.
*Later, Admiral Adama is infuriated at his son for disobeying orders, noting how everyone is out of sorts since Thrace's death two weeks prior. The admiral orders his son to do his job, properly, for he will be on the other side of the courtroom as a tribunal member.

===Act 3===
*The bomb is dissected and analyzed. Deck crew and officers discuss the problem: one of them is a conspirator. [[Cally Tyrol]] states her opinion, and accuses the Cylons, and more indirectly Sharon Agathon, of the bombings and of inciting the riots within the Fleet.
*Major Adama warns Lampkin to watch himself, but Lampkin is philosophical, realizing that someone will eventually get to him, no matter what.
*On ''Colonial One'', Roslin grants Lampkin permission to interview [[Caprica-Six]] in the usual interrogation room. [[Tory Foster]] apologizes to Apollo for the difficulty and delay in getting the files Lampkin requested shipped to him.
*As Lampkin interviews Six, she notes her love for Baltar. Lampkin relates his experiences in love, which moves Six. She asks him whether or not Baltar has asked about her, and Lampkin removes his glasses and shows her Baltar's pen, telling her that his sacrifice of his one limited freedom is an expression of his love.
*Lampkin also informs her that unlike Baltar, she won't get a trial.
*Later, [[Anthony Figurski]] delivers the papers Lampkin requested from ''[[Colonial One]]'', noting that Captain Kelly had inspected them. The [[Marine]] escort is suspicious, and both they and Lampkin inspect the paper box to their satisfaction.
*As Lampkin enters his key code for opening his quarter's hatch, Marine [[Henry Cheadle]] notices a screw on the floor, and realizes that the key lock had been tampered with. He tackles Lampkin, pushing him to safety just as the hatchway explodes, taking the full force of the explosion.

===Act 4===
*Lampkin survives the bomb attack, but is in [[sickbay]]. Major Adama speaks with him and has brought a bag containing Lampkin's possessions.
*Lampkin states that he is a [[w:kleptomaniac|kleptomaniac]], and master slight-of-hand thief. Major Adama begins to remove the items with Lampkin commenting on the significance of each: Roslin's glasses, a shoe from the prosecuting attorney, a button from the admiral's jacket. "I borrow things," he says. When the major asks what Lampkin took from him, he tells him that he found Thrace's picture, but didn't take it.
*Adama discovers a special object that could only come from an officer. He asks who Lampkin burgled to get this object, which is something only the bomber would have.
*Major Adama interviews Captain Kelly, who admits to being the bomber and warns that he will continue the attacks if left on duty.
*The admiral reinstates his son as [[CAG]], but the younger Adama wants to help Lampkin instead. He does not cave in the face of his father's repeated objections. Eventually, the admiral, furious with the major, declares that he's through giving his son orders. Back on CIC, he orders them to remove the major from the board and re-instate [[Helo]] as CAG. He tells everyone there, "My son has more important things to do."
*Adama places Thrace's picture onto the memorial board as she requested, next to [[Kat]]. Anders, on crutches and with his left leg in a cast, comes in. Together the two begin to come to terms with losing the woman they both loved.
*Baltar finds an envelope with his pen, and a note from his attorney.
*The note contains a poetic line, telling Baltar that there is no more powerful ally than a son who decides to step away from his father's shadow.

===Bonus Scene===

*The scene begins with Athena and Cally Tyrol in the hangar deck while the rest of the deck gang is away.
*Athena begins to ask Cally why she accused her of being the bomber, upon which Cally denies ever making a direct accusation.
*Athena responds that she didn't accuse or even indirectly imply that Cally is the bomber, even though Cally was the last deck hand to inspect the Raptor.
*Athena allows Cally to take her gun and hold it to her chest, while Athena states why she knows Cally, despite her intense hatred for the Cylons, wouldn't shoot her. It is because she knows Athena loves her husband, her daughter, and ''Galactica''. Cally, according to Athena, would never dare take a child's mother away.
*After a few tense moments, Athena grabs the gun, points it next to Cally's head and states in unambiguous terms that if Cally is discovered to be the bomber, Athena will kill Cally herself.

== Notes ==

=== Continuity ===

*Starting with this episode, [[Katee Sackhoff]]'s name is no longer listed in the opening credits.
*The population count at the start of this episode is 41,399, accounting for [[Kara Thrace]]'s death in "[[Maelstrom]]". At least one birth must have occurred to set off [[Alan Hughes]]'s death in the teaser. Assuming that Marine [[Henry Cheadle]] dies in the explosion that almost kills Lampkin, the population count would be 41,398, a number that does not take into account any births or other deaths that occurred off-screen.
*[[Karl Agathon]] is temporarily assigned as [[CAG]], despite not having any previously known experience as a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot. After Apollo, Helo is the highest-ranking established pilot left. Experienced Viper pilots passed over for the job include [[Marcia Case]], [[Ricky Richardson]], and [[Hotdog]], of whom the latter had at least as much experience as former CAG [[Kat]]. This is consistent with the traditions of the U.S. Navy, which does not require the CAG to be a fighter pilot, or indeed any kind of pilot - commissioned aircrew such as Electronic Countermeasures Officers are equally eligible.
*The model ship which [[William Adama|Adama]] destroyed in [[Maelstrom|the previous episode]] is still sitting on a shelf in his quarters, but visibly damaged.
*The one-armed deckhand - using a prosthetic - who first appeared in "[[Dirty Hands]]" can be seen in the far background in the scene with Hughes boarding the Raptor before he is killed.
*When Adama looks at Thrace's personnel file, one of the sheets is a field commendation for valor and bravery received for an operation called "Blue Mountain Retreat" and "action on Hill ER5." Since it mentions a rescue of civilians, this likely refers to the Caprica Rescue mission in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens]]".
* Lampkin's theory on how the person who cares the most is the one that wins is similar to dialogue from ''[[w:Life, the Universe and Everything|Life, the Universe and Everything]]'' by Douglas Adams.
<blockquote>"The point is," he said, "that people like you and me, Slartibartfast, and Arthur -- particularly and especially Arthur -- are just dilettantes, eccentrics, layabouts if you like...We're not obsessed with anything, you see... And that's the deciding factor. We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win." 
"But unless we determine to take action," said the old man querulously, as if struggling against something deeply insouciant in his nature, "then we shall all be destroyed, we shall all die. Surely we care about that?" 
"Not enough to want to get killed over it," said Ford.</blockquote>

=== Development ===

* This episode's title is a pun on the title of the 1926 [[w:Ernest Hemingway|Ernest Hemingway]] novel "[[w:The Sun Also Rises|The Sun Also Rises]]".
* [[Samuel Anders|Sam Anders]]' flipping a coin and continually coming up with heads is reminiscent of the early moments of Tom Stoppard's play "[[w:Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead|Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead]]", in which Rosencrantz has the same result on a coin flip over a dozen times. This leads Guildenstern to comment "Consider - One: Probability is a factor which operates within natural forces. Two: Probability is not operating as a factor. Three: We are now held within un-, sub-, or supernatural forces." The moral is that two minor characters within a play (namely, ''Hamlet'') have no control over their fate, and are condemned to carry out their role in the story regardless of their desperate attempts to change events.
* According to [[Michael Angeli]], Lampkin's first name, Romo, is from the first two letters of [[Ronald D. Moore]]'s first and last names.<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Son Also Rises Bonus|act=|id=|timestamp=~00:01:05|totalrunning=~00:47:39}}</ref> Romo Lampkin was also initially conceived as a "55 year old [[w:Alan Dershowitz|Alan Dershowitz]] character."<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Son Also Rises Bonus|act=|id=|timestamp=~00:11:42|totalrunning=~00:47:39}}</ref>
* The door code to Romo Lampkin's temporary quarters on ''Galactica'' is 1234.
*[[Romo Lampkin]] exhibits symptoms of [[w:Kleptomania|kleptomania]]. Over the course of the episode he steals many objects Lampkin views as important to their owner from a psychological perspective, and thus provides him with knowledge of a person. Among the objects stolen:
** Gaius Baltar's worn fountain pen
** Laura Roslin's glasses
** Admiral Adama's uniform button, which Adama first searches for when Lampkin talks to [[Caprica-Six]]
** Ms. [[Cassidy]]'s sandal
** [[Aaron Kelly]]'s magnetic component, used in his bomb-making
*The assassination of Baltar's lawyer was inspired by attacks on [[w:Saddam Hussein|Saddam Hussein]]'s defense team ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three]]).
* Information from [[Sources:The Son Also Rises|the script]] reveals that the names of the ship captains taken out of the glass bowl by Foster to be revealed by Roslin are:
** Captain Simpson Markson, ''[[Argo Navis]]''
** Captain [[Jules Tarney]], ''[[Pyxis]]''
** Captain [[Doyle Franks]], ''[[Prometheus (ship)|Prometheus]]''
* The scene where Foster and Roslin reveal the last ship captain, in this case Admiral [[William Adama]], [[Sources:The Son Also Rises|was unscripted]].

== Analysis ==
* A noticeable pattern between the two Adamas is evident whenever both are going through a stressful or traumatic situation. Whereas the [[William Adama|elder Adama]] has the experience and the desire to focus on the job that he has to do, the [[Lee Adama|younger Adama]] consistently displays an inability to cope and process his emotions. This difference between the two has often led to sharp divisions, causing another tear in their damaged relationship:
** In the [[Miniseries]], Bill Adama is trying to get on with his life after the loss of his son Zak, but Lee is still full of rage over the incident and quite unambiguously holds his father responsible for what happened.
** When the two Adamas do not agree on the same method of coping with the destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier'' in "[[33]]". This eventually leads to Lee Adama becoming [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s military adviser and eventual co-conspirator during the hunt for the [[Arrow of Apollo]].
** During the planning for the [[Battle of New Caprica]], the two Adamas butt heads again over strategy and whether it is worth the risk of losing the last remnants of humanity that were with [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] and [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] at the time.

* Lee Adama has consistently shown a tendency to prove that he is not like his father, even though both are described as stubborn by [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] and [[Carolanne Adama]]. This tendency is evident in the last argument between the two when Apollo accuses Adama of not wanting him to become like his grandfather.

* When Lee Adama mistakenly calls [[Racetrack]] "Starbuck," his mental state is reminiscent of "[[Black Market]]" when he constantly found himself recollecting events on Caprica before the genocide.

* William Adama's failure to listen to Carolanne Adama's pleas and advice to tell his son how proud he is of him comes back with a vengeance when Apollo repeatedly asks his father if he is giving him an order, the implication being that Apollo wants to know if his father is treating him as a son or as a soldier. Adama's refusal to ask Apollo to obey his orders as his son will probably lead to further dissension between the two.

* [[Romo Lampkin]], though he appears to be a lawyer with little, if any, courtroom experience, has demonstrated a deep understanding of the human psyche. He takes Roslin's glasses to prevent her from being taken seriously during the trial. His other feats such as raising doubt and bringing out [[Caprica-Six]]'s feelings for [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], and his slow but sure persuasion of Lee Adama into helping with Baltar's case, give hints to a man who obviously has immense experience with the art of manipulation.

* Lee Adama honors [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]]'s request of having her photo posted next to [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]]'s. His inability to let go of the photo may represent a possible marriage conflict with Dualla if he is unable to truly move on.

* [[Cally Tyrol]] correctly states that the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] wouldn't even need to fire one shot because they may find the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] had torn itself apart because of humanity's tendency towards self-destruction. However, it is also clear that she has not realized that she and the many workers are just as much a part of the problems when they essentially risked the existence of the Fleet with their work strikes, refusal to refine [[tylium]], and disobedience toward military orders ([[Dirty Hands]]). The summary of all those acts cannot be attributed to Cylon intervention as Cally Tyrol is implying that [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] is responsible for the bombings.

* Two weeks have passed since the events of "[[Maelstrom]]". During this time, Adama apparently has been mulling over his memories of Starbuck, including a review of her military record. The audience sees, amongst the items in the folder, a hand-made birthday card which Thrace gave Adama for his birthday once. It jokingly shows Thrace with a color pen mustache and glasses, and asks if Adama can see the resemblance. This moment reinforces the theme that Starbuck was very much a daughter to Adama, even though he stated otherwise in "[[Torn]]". It is very clear that he still sees Thrace as a daughter to him.

* After the events of "[[The Woman King]]", Helo has been reinstated amongst the pilots of ''Galactica'', as the original purpose of assigning him to [[Dogsville]] was in response to his objections and sabotage of the Cylon biological weapon. Starting with "[[Dirty Hands]]", Helo is present at briefings in the ready room, and appears to be a squadron leader. Thus, once Apollo's flight status is revoked it is only natural for Adama to promote Helo to the CAG position because of seniority and trust.

* It is unclear whether Helo has experience with a Viper, but numerous Viper pilots have been flying Raptors so far. Whether this goes both ways it yet to be seen, but with Helo's position as head of a squadron and now CAG, it appears that he has at least enough operational and tactical knowledge to do the necessary organizational and administrative duties. His previous experience as ''Galactica's'' [[XO]] may also have been a factor in his appointment.

* Though Kelly tells Apollo that he would never have detonated the bomb with him inside, the fact that the bomb had been planted and that Kelly couldn't anticipate Apollo's impromptu decision to join Lampkin makes it clear that Kelly's original intention was to kill Lampkin ''and'' Athena. Whether this is an indirect statement on Kelly's view on Athena's Cylon heritage or his desire to raise the stakes by not only killing Baltar's lawyer, but sacrifice a member of the crew, is unclear.

* This is the first episode since the end of Season 2 that any member of the "[[The Colonial Gang]]," specifically [[Playa Palacios]] appear in the series. This episode and the nature of the remaining episodes may indicate a return to the President-news press relationship that the audience has seen in the past.

== Questions ==
* Is Lampkin's statement to Roslin and Adama that he is seeking the fame (or infamy) of being Baltar's lawyer true, or is there an ulterior motive?
* Will Captain Kelly be punished and if yes, how?
* Besides the attacks caused by Kelly, have there been any other incidents of violence on the scale that Zarek warned Roslin about?
* Will the death of Thrace bring Lee Adama and Sam Anders closer as friends in the future?
* Would the bomb on the Raptor have gone off if Tyrol hadn't discovered it? Is Kelly telling the truth that he would not have triggered it with Lee Adama inside?
* Is Cally's hatred of the Cylons truly towards all Cylons or is she afraid of Athena because of her connection to Tyrol's former lover, Boomer?
* Why does Lampkin wear sunglasses in most of his encounters with people?
* What caused the rift between William Adama and his own father?
* Given Karl Agathon's temporary promotion to CAG, does he have previous flight experience as a Viper pilot?
* Given the reappearance of [[Playa Palacios]] in this episode, what of her other fellow "[[The Colonial Gang|Colonial Gang]]" correspondents, [[James McManus]] and [[Sekou Hamilton]], or the program itself? ([[The Ties That Bind|Answer #1 (Hamilton)]], [[Sine Qua Non|Answer #2 (McManus)]]

== Official Statements ==

=== Cast Comments ===

* ''[[Mark Sheppard]] discusses how he approached portrayal of [[Romo Lampkin]]:''
: '''Mark Sheppard:''' Ron had said that he gave [[Michael Angeli]] ''carte blanche'' to make this character as odd and as wide as he wanted to make it. Michael Angeli is a very, very, very clever writer. It’s wonderful dialog, it’s a wonderfully convoluted, complicated character. You know the glasses idea was his idea, he wears dark glasses a lot, Michael Angeli, and the glasses were very important to him. And he put the cat in and all these strange elements and the kleptomania. and there are all these other questions, is he a Cylon? a manipulator? is he this, is he that. All of these things are kind of irrelevant. I played him as the last sane man in the universe. If you think of the episode "The Son Also Rises", my first episode, it’s the episode after "[[Maelstrom]]". Maelstrom is a disaster, an absolute disaster! The end of "Maelstrom" leaves you with this huge hole, this gap and I walk in to a group of people in mourning. They are in mourning for [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]. I think I’m the only person paying attention. I think none of them are paying attention because of the events of [[New Caprica]] and everything that has happened since New Caprica. I mean basically they just want to tear [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] to pieces, they kind of admit that they will move the trial forward because people need it, they need the trial, they need something.<ref name="tsw">{{cite_web|url=http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/mark_sheppard_01.htm|title=The Sci-Fi World: Mark Sheppard interview|date=1 May 2007|accessdate=24 May 2007|last=Nuytens|first=Gilles|format=|language=}}</ref>

* ''Mark Sheppard discusses a deleted scene involving [[Jerry]], the [[Lance|cat]]:''
: '''Mark Sheppard:''' There is this lovely scene that they cut out. At the end of the scene when [[Lee Adama|Lee]] says if anything moves don’t touch it, if anything is in the wrong place, it’s when he is worried about me finding a bomb. And my line is if they want to kill me they’ll find a way, now how do I get to see the [[Caprica-Six|Cylon woman]]. And I looked down and Jerry the cat is sitting there and what is funny is I looked at him and there is a line [where I say], "Please go boom." And what happened is the cat looked up at me when I spoke to him, then as I looked away, he looked away. It was very funny. (laughs) Cats do what they wanna do.<ref name="tsw"/>

* ''Sheppard discusses his reaction to [[Ron D. Moore]]'s offer of being Lampkin in three episodes:''
: '''Sheppard:''' It’s very, very weird. It was a very, very, very weird day. But it was kind of brilliant. I think he took great delight, and as I take great delight, in the fact that most of the time I tend to play what are termed "villains" – I don’t think of people as villains, but people with massively different agendas than the heroes usually in our pictures, especially in sci-fi. And this, I think, is very, very different. I think Romo is very, very different. I mean…somebody asked me, "Do you think he’s a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]?" First thing Eddie [[Edward James Olmos|[Edward James Olmos]]] said was, "The first thing I’d be thinking was: he’s a cylon." I’m like, but does it really matter? Does it matter whether he’s a cylon? It actually doesn’t. I mean, his principles are extraordinary. His logic is I think extraordinary.

: It’s just because he's very deliberate in the way that he executes what he does. As a character – the character is written very deliberately, in a manner that he has a very different set of moral values than the people around him. Which I think is an absolutely amazing thing to play. Plus being a kleptomaniac, you know – if you have a bizarre trait it doesn't hurt along the way. Michael Angeli's [writer] kind of brilliant when it comes to that kind of writing.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.buddytv.com/articles/battlestar-galactica/exclusive-interview-mark-shepp-7849.aspx|title=Buddytv.com Exclusive Interview: Mark Sheppard, from 'Battlestar Galactica'|date=3 July 2007|accessdate=13 August 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

=== Podcast ===

Information from [[Podcast:The Son Also Rises|the podcast]]:
* Ron Moore admits that it's a stretch to have both Adamas involved intimately in the trial and even on opposite sides. But the writers decided to go for increased drama, since the trial would otherwise only be carried by guest stars with the show's main characters sidelined. Moore also believes that Admiral Adama is capable of making fair and rational decisions.
* Romo Lampkin's cat was supposed to run out of the Raptor, but when shooting the cat only strolled. Since it's difficult to direct cats, the film was sped up instead.
* That Lampkin always wears sunglasses was a decision made by the writer that was ultimately supported, despite concern on the part of the actor and the director.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''Colonel Saul Tigh tells Admiral William Adama the good news:''
: '''[[Saul Tigh]]:''' Your Honor. (Adama looks at Tigh, confused) You haven't heard? Where have you been? They've just announced it. You won the lottery. You own exactly 1/5th of [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s ''skinny ass''.

* ''[[Romo Lampkin]] replies to [[William Adama]]'s question regarding his qualifications for defending [[Gaius Baltar]]:''
: '''Lampkin:''' I was born for this. That, and the fact I have a pulse.

* ''Admiral Adama rips [[Lee Adama]] another one:''
: '''William Adama:''' What the hell were you doing out there? I gave you an order. To do a job.
: '''Lee Adama:''' Excuse me, I was ''doing my job''.
: '''Bill:''' Yeah, being led around by the nose! This bastard yanks your chain and you jump.
: '''Lee:''' He wanted files from ''[[Colonial One]]''–
: '''Bill:''' It was the middle of the night.
: '''Lee:''' Well, you assigned me to security.
: '''Bill:''' Yeah. And there was a bomb on [[Raptor|that ship]]. And you ''missed it''. Security? I gave you ''explicit orders''.
: '''Lee:''' [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] was piloting.
: '''Bill:''' You coulda died. Plain and simple. ''You're a soldier. Live like one. Start acting like one!''
: '''Lee:''' [[Kara Thrace|She]]'s [[Maelstrom|been gone]] two weeks. I didn't realize the clock was running.
: '''Bill:''' ''(softly)'' Stop.
: '''Lee:''' No, I'm sorry. Maybe because we're just built differently.
: '''Bill:''' You stop. Don't you dare quantify my loss.
: '''Lee:''' You have no idea. ''You have no frakking idea.''
: '''Bill:''' What, you think yours is deeper?
: '''Lee:''' Well–
: '''Bill:''' Yours is greater? ''(Lee doesn't respond)'' In two weeks, there's going to be a trial. And I'm going to do what I was chosen to do, and so are you! You build a [[frak]]king nest around this man and you ''protect his ass''!

* ''Lampkin (ostensibly) confides in Caprica about his tortured romantic past:''
: '''Lampkin:''' I loved a woman. Beautiful, beautiful woman. But so serious. This frowning face, trapped in the middle of a daisy. She had a way of walking, processional. As if she were on her way to her own execution. We had ten years. Then it fell apart under its own weight.
: '''Caprica:''' Is that what you wanted?
: '''Lampkin:''' I thought if I could get over her, I could get over anything. I could endure. Conquer. Be a man, stand up to any and all kind of punishment. I clung to an empty, spinning bed for months. And that... that is when I finally realized how much I loved her. If I needed ''all that strength,'' ''...what, was the '''point'''?'' I needed to be with her.

* ''[[Cally Tyrol]] apparently learns from her [[Dirty Hands|mistakes]], and misses the point:''
: '''Tyrol:''' I believe that the Cylons want us to destroy ourselves and this is how they're doing it. By planting bombs, making us suspicious of each other. You know what's funny? By the time the Cylons catch up with us, they won't even have to attack. They'll just clean up the mess we made. I think they're here.
: '''[[Sharon Agathon]]:''' I think you're wrong.

* ''Apollo and Lampkin discuss Joseph Adama:''
: '''Lampkin:''' Everybody has demons. Them, Baltar, you, me. Even the machines. The law is just a way of exorcising them. That's what your father's father told me. You want to know why I hated him? Because he was right.
: '''Apollo:''' So you hated him because he was right, and I hated the law because it was wrong. Because of what— of what it put him through. I mean, he defended the worst of the worst. I remember reading about him. The outrage, helping murderers go free. What I don't understand is why he put himself through all that abuse—
: '''Lampkin:''' You think he gave a flying frak? Joe Adama cared about one thing: understanding why people do what they do. Why we cheat our friends, why we reward our enemies. Why we go to war, sacrificing our lives for lost causes. Why we build machines in the hope of correcting our flaws and our shortcomings. Why we forgive, defying logic and the laws of nature with one stupid little act of compassion. We're flawed, all of us. I wanted to know why, so I did what he did: I spent my life with the fallen, the corrupt, the damaged. Look at you: you were so ready to get on that Raptor with me, be the bad boy, the prodigal son!
: '''Apollo:''' No, I was just doing my job, protecting you!
: '''Lampkin:''' What are you doing in my business? Suddenly I'm handcuffed to a serial contrarian?!
: '''Apollo:''' No, I am not— oh, OK.
: '''Lampkin:''' My bed is made. I suggest you toil on your own. Now, if this cross-examination is over, I'd like to take a crap.

* ''Lee Adama discovers Lampkin's kleptomania:''
: '''Lampkin:''' My demons. I borrow things. My parents disappeared when I was nine years old. They were kidnapped. Murdered for the money they had on them, which wasn't enough. I went to live with an uncle, stole from him until I could run away.
: '''Adama:''' So what did you take from me?
: '''Lampkin:''' I was thinking the photograph that you carry. The girl. The pilot. The one you carry [in your pocket]. But you've had enough stolen from you already.

* ''Lee Adama confronts Kelly about the bomb:''
: '''Kelly:''' I would have never let Athena airborne with you on the Raptor. I would have stopped it. You know that.
: '''Adama:''' Yeah, I know that.
: '''Kelly:''' You'd better lock me up. And I don't want any trial. I won't stop. I will keep trying. I'll keep at it, I will. I did my job, sir. And I have done my job for two years. Every day I've sent people out to fight. I cleared them all to die. So many people. I just got tired of living with that. You ask that man, if you had to choose between giving up his life for a Cylon or human, what do you think he'd say? I had to do something.

* ''Baltar reads a note from Lampkin, after retrieving his pen from the envelope:''
: '''Lampkin:''' There's no greater ally, no force more powerful, no enemy more resolved than a son who chooses to step from his father's shadow. Romo Lampkin.

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Capt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Lt. [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lt. [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Cpt. [[Aaron Kelly]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Don Thompson]] as [[Anthony Figurski]]
* [[Tyler McClendon]] as [[Alan Hughes]]
* [[Stephen Holmes]] as Reporter #1
* [[Christina Schild]] as [[Playa Palacios]]
* [[Alison Matthews]] as [[Karen Fallbrook|Fallbrook]]
* [[Chris Boyd]] as Marine [[Henry Cheadle|Cheadle]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart|Nowart]]
* [[Jerry]] as [[Lance]] (uncredited)<ref name="tsw"/>

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Talk:Socrata Thrace/Archive 1

2011-07-10T18:30:15Z

Dogger55: /* rank revisited */

==Citation Needed==
I'm sure we'll get a little more info by the episode, "[[Maelstrom]]", however, this name hasn't an aired source and may not be correct or be changed by airing, if the character is seen at all. Therefore I'm marking this for deletion until we confirm the source so we can keep track of this. I've updated the article with the quote from "Flesh and Bone." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:33, 30 January 2007 (CST)
:I pulled the info off another page and I assumed it cited the source, my bad. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:35, 30 January 2007 (CST)

::We could wait until the episode airs and delete/move it then if turns out to be false. Instead of deleting it now, and possibly having to add it again. When the promo pictures for "Maelstrom" are released, we might get a name --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:45, 30 January 2007 (CST)
:::That was my plan, Serenity. Otherwise I would have deleted it outright as completely unsourced. I may rename it to simply "Mother of Kara Thrace" for now so I can remove the deletion tag as the other data is OK. Yeah, Mercifull, there appears to be a lot of either leaks or fanfic being generated out there in fan forums. One claims to have a snippet from "Maelstrom" and posted it. ''Caveat lecto.'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:49, 30 January 2007 (CST)
::::When I said "another page" I meant another page on this very wiki. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 09:14, 30 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Then its a double-whoops for self-referencing. No soup for you! :) The renaming solves both problems for now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:21, 30 January 2007 (CST)

[http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000y95ks/g287 Promo image]. According to this, the Socrata name is correct. And that's an official SciFi Channel picture. I don't think they've ever been wrong so far. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:Well, there was the whole "Barry Trammel/[[Barry Garner]]" mess, several miscues on whether [[Nora]] was married to [[Duck]] (The Resistance), [[Starbuck]] going to a baseship according to the promo text in [[A Measure of Salvation]]. And they can and have changed stuff at the very last minute, so I take nothing as canon until it airs. It's probably going to be right, but I would never bet on it. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:57, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:These promo pics are always very interesting. The patch on the bed of Socrata (see, I said it) shows "Caprica City Police". Kara is also shown back at her old apartment on Caprica (implying that she goes or is taken there), and her mandala of the Eye of Jupiter appears in both shots. Based on what I heard from the actress at a SF convention, this is going to be very very interesting to see. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:03, 1 February 2007 (CST)

::Its probably nothing and pure coincidence but look at this on the cream in the background.
:::http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/544/creammandalaiw6.jpg
::Looks a bit like the mandala too hehe --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:34, 2 February 2007 (CST)
:::ROFL! Maybe that's where Kara stole from...erm was inspired by when she created her paintings --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:36, 2 February 2007 (CST)
::::And of course theres [http://www.nurofen.co.uk/ this]... right to the source of pain ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 09:00, 2 February 2007 (CST)
::::: Name is confirmed in "Malestrom" when Socrata is viewing a letter. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 04:25, 5 March 2007 (CST)

== Not really a spoiler ==

Actually the only spoiler might be the photo. Otherwise there is no spoiler information whatsoever. She has been mentioned in "Flesh and Bone" and "The Farm" and that's all the page is saying. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:01, 2 March 2007 (CST)
:''Any'' sourced information in an article that has not been aired is a spoiler. The photo qualifies. We can remove the spoiler tag if the photo is removed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:01, 2 March 2007 (CST)
::I understand that it's a policy, but a photo like this doesn't literally spoil anyone. It doesn't detract from anyone's enjoyment of the episode. But never mind, it's the next episode anyways... --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:28, 2 March 2007 (CST)

== Her rank ==

The letter she receives lists her as Corporal. That's a pretty low rank and seems to indicate that she retired right after the war, possibly being drafted. In the podcast, RDM says that the plans were for her to be a Sergeant Major; meaning career military for 20 years or so. I have the feeling that this also fits better to her whole character. Her congratulating her daughter for being the first officer in the family makes also a bit more sense if she was in the military for a long time. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:14, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:Her rank is shown on the medical letter she reads. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:30, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::That's what I said in the first sentence, and I immediately noticed it. I just think that a higher rank, as originally indicated, would fit the character better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:34, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:::Sorry, haven't had my coffee (and trying not to). Yeah, I do agree. She's a kind of person that should be more of a sergeant or petty officer. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:45, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::::Well, while it may have been a typo/mistake of the art department or whoever, remember that [http://www.militaryconnection.com/charts.asp the basic pay chart] slides across up to 26 odd years for ALL the ranks. While in this era of "right-sizing" forces there is something of an "up or out" mentality that keeps the lower ranks younger (this is especially true of the officer ranks, where I'm vaguely aware of specific limits to the number of times you can be "passed over" for promotion before being forced to pack it in), it's entirely possible to retire from the military with a low rank... especially given a draft scenario. If you watch some of the background "behind the scenes" interviews with the guys that inspired "Band of Brothers", a lot of the guys that made it all the way from D-Day to the end of the war in Europe and left the service as privates. The military needs sharp people at ALL levels, and if all the good people were general officers everything would fall apart (because you'd have nobody to work the motorpool and keep those jeeps with stars on them up and running). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:01, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:::::Yeah, the way I see it, she served in the war and retired immediately after. In war-time it's normal to stay at a lower rank for some time. If she were professional soldier, her rank should be somewhat higher even without being promoted quickly (and I'm not saying she should be a high-ranking officer, but an NCO). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:10, 6 March 2007 (CST)

== Letter ==
Speaking of the letter, that would be a screencap of outstanding value, both to this article as well as the veteran's hospital. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:03, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:That it would. The iTunes Store is tardy with the copy of this episode; if I can get it today, I shall. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:33, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::I'll try to get a screenshot later. Not sure if the iTunes version is of better quality though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:43, 6 March 2007 (CST)

:[[:en:Image:SocrataThraceLetter.jpg|Here]] we go. Turned out pretty well. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:28, 6 March 2007 (CST)

== Jungle planet ==

Does anyone remember what was the name of the jungle planet Socrata Thrace was stationed on during the first Cylon War? Kara mentioned it in "Maelstrom" -- was it Medra, Medihra or something like that? -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 19:33, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
:I'm not entirely sure but I think she said it was the jungles of Aerelon. --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 22:33, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah it sounds like Medra. I've removed the "jungle planet" part, though it was probably me who wrote that. It's a common SciFi cliché that many planets have a uniform climate, but scientifically a more even distribution like on Earth is more likely. It could just mean that she was stationed in a region with jungles. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:12, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

== rank revisited ==

My "Razor" DVD is still making its way across the pond, but I saw this in the noteworthy dialogue section:

:Thrace: Hope for the best, plan for the worst, as my mom the sergeant-major used to say.

I'm glad that was clarified. It fits with the writers' comments and just makes more sense in the story. Socrata Thrace seems very much like a career soldier to me. Anyways, we should change all references to her rank accordingly. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:15, 6 December 2007 (CST)

The problem is that her letter from the Veteran's Hospital (which informs her about her cancer) states her rank as corporal. Is there a source for the "sergeant-major" rank other than Kara's comment in [[Razor]]? If not, I suggest her rank be changed to corporal, and that Kara's comment be treated as a sarcastic remark about her mother's failed aspiration to reach the rank of sergeant-major. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 14:30, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Maelstrom/Archive 1

2011-07-10T17:29:59Z

Dogger55: /* Viper construction and atmospheric pressure */

==Official Source required==

Working episode titles are always shaky, even from official sources. The [[BW:OC|Official Communiques]] articles lists those confirmed by an official source, but even these are subject to change. Gateworld is not an official source and can be more wrong than the official preliminary title. Best to wait on this or verify the source. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:39, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

So far they've been correct for Season 3, and usually ahead of most other sources by several days. Waiting won't hurt [[User:Hmoul|Seattle Cylon]] 14:15, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
*I posed this title to Bradley Thompson and he chose not to confirm the title as a "working title" where he usually confirms "working titles". There may be a reason, may not be, but for our purposes, this should be considered rumor and innuendo and should be deleted.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:02, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
::{{vd}} as well. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:06, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

==Promo Pics==
Are up [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a7qzs here]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:28, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:I'd use the one with her mother as preview pic here. Aside from the ones with Leoben, the others are pretty generic. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:35, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::I posted the one with leoben before I read this. I liked the starbuck's destiny angle, but will change if the consensus dictates it. This gives me another ideas. Promo pic gallery in the article until it airs. I am really looking at ways to use more images since we are discussing a TV show. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:14, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:::That one's fine too. As for the gallery, sure. However, you should probably resize the pictures a bit before uploading them as they are very large --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:23, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::::If you think so, I will move this discussion to the Quorum? where discussion can start before writing up a Think tank proposal. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:34, 1 February 2007 (CST)

==Bonus Scene==
Maybe I missed something last week (I didn't go watch the ENTIRE bonus scene online), but when I went tonight to check out the Dirty Hands bonus scene, there was a bonus scene up from Maelstrom. Did anyone else see this? This shouldn't have been up yet, right? At any rate I got a sneak peak...even if it was a deleted scene :) --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 00:42, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Kara and Cylon ==

I had a brilliant thought the other night. Kara gets killed in this episode and wakes up in a ress chamber on Caprica. First words out of her mouth, "Oh sh!t". That could explain the pic of her back on Caprica with Leoben. I bet she is a Cylon. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 14:53, 26 February 2007 (CST)

You read my mind --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 20:09, 5 March 2007 (CST)
== ''Maelstrom'' Predictions! ==

Strap into your Vipers, ''Galactica'' fans! It's time for another round of predictions!
Sure, the All-Seeing, All-Knowing Slander struck out big time last week, but I got in some high-quality chamalla the other day and BOY is it potent! Anybody got any candy?
* Recon Delta, which consists of a two-man [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] crewed by Captain [[Kanon]] and Lieutenant [[Britton]], is on patrol when it picks up readings of an advanced Cylon fighter.
* Suddenly, a previously unseen [[Cylon Raider|Cylon Raider]] appears and fires at them.
* The [[warbook]] brings back a readout of the occupants: the Raider crew appear to be human.
* [[Kanon]] decides on a desperate strategy and rams the ship, damaging both craft.
* The huge Cylon fighter tumbles towards Earth, and [[Britton]] is injured.

Wait. Frak. I'm sorry. That's [[The Night the Cylons Landed, Part I]]. [[Wolfman Jack]] was so awesome, though. Let's try this again.

*Starbuck goes nuts, even though she's seemed perfectly fine during the last few times we've seen her.
*Starbuck goes to see a psychiatrist.
*Like everyone with a deep interest in human nature on this show, said psychiatrist turns out to be a Cylon, but she doesn't know it until Starbuck's discussions about Leoben awaken her buried Cylon memories. She's just as surprised as the rest of us! (Moreso, actually, since we're not surprised at all.)
*Leoben is gonna be all over this episode, but mostly in hallucinations and flashbacks. Also, he gets it on with a SuicideGirl. ("Like, being a creepy, religious machine is, like, ''totally'' a turn-on!")
*I'm sensing an Anders appearance, but that could just be my unsexual man-love for Anders talking.
*Speaking of unsexual man-love, Zarek also puts in a brief appearance because, during filming, Richard Hatch was in town for a convention and the writers felt the need to inject ''even more awesomeness'' into this episode. Shame they can't resurrect [[Wolfman Jack]] for an episode or two, isn't it?
*Kara crashes her Viper, injuring herself so badly that we won't see her for the rest of the season.
*For the first time all season, Galvatron fails to make an appearance. This is because he's busy filming an episode of ''Ghost Whisperer''. Jennifer Love Hewitt's so damn hot.

This half of the season finally starts to build some momentum with this episode, leading up to what's sure to be a mind-smashing, cliff-hanging finale. After that's over, I guess I'll move over to GateWorld and start doing ''Stargate'' predictions. Do they have a good wiki? --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 11:23, 2 March 2007 (CST)

== A reminder to all contributors ==

The events of this episode should be treated as canon. While speculation is allowed, please avoid [[BW:FANW|fanwanking]] into the possibilities created by the event within this article. Episode summaries and its question and analysis are for relevant unanswered questions generated by this episode only. Some people may take a [[Beings of Light]] parallelism to it; because there is no connection officially established between the Original Series and Re-imagined Series on this, it is better to leave that trail alone. Also remember that talk pages aren't chat boards, so discuss the episode elsewhere (email, Sci Fi Forums, etc.) to keep wiki performance at its best. Thanks! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:08, 5 March 2007 (CST)

== Who will take Kara's place as Galactica's Viper ace? ==

I would SO like that to be [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]]. It wouldn't be the first time the show sets up replacements ahead of time. Racetrack was intended to replace Crashdown after he died, but introduced when Crashdown was still alive and well on Kobol. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:23, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:They already did the "nugget becomes ace pilot" thing with Kat. While more screentime for Seelix would be nice, they could also increase Hot Dog's role, who has been a pilot for some time now. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:27, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::True. Hot Dog has been around for some time, and he's the only good Viper pilot we know who's still not a Captain and has never been CAG (Starbuck, Apollo and Kat all have). Now I'm not suggesting Hot Dog be CAG, but he could replace Starbuck as a squadron leader. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:39, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::I agree, I want to see Hotdog move into more prominence in the show. He's the last of the original 3 nuggets we came to know. I would hate it if they killed him before we actually have a Hotdog centered story.--[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:15, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah, he's the best of what's left. Who recognizes where that paraphrased quote is from? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:36, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:::While I agree that Hot Dog is probably the best of the remaining Viper pilots, they could also transfer Athena, Racetrack, Helo, or possibly even Skulls. Don't know if Skulls has ever been pilot rather than ECO, though. --[[User:Psilon|Psilon]] 17:01, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::::Ehm, these are ''Raptor'' pilots, not ''Viper'' pilots. Piloting a Viper is different than piloting a Raptor. With that said, the only two people I can think of that would step up to the plate are Hotdog and Seelix. Hell, even [[Narcho]], since we see a lot of him now. I do hope that we see more of the ex-''Pegasus'' Viper jockeys as well, and would welcome them back into the fold. (Were the Great Powers able to pull it off, I think re-introducing [[Cole Taylor]] would prove awesome, and a great foil for Lee given their past history. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:40, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:::::Hmm, maybe the tatooed pilot? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::::::Stinger's still scraping hull paint off civilian ships right now, if Lee has anything to say about it. That guy was a frakwit from the first words out of his mouth. I'm cool on Hot Dog, since being squadron leader will cool his jets ''just a little'' while we see his cool competency. From his first rookie flight, he's quite a natural, and had a great line in "Exodus Part II" as he launches intra-atmosphere from the falling battlestar: "This should be interesting..." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:25, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:::::I'd like to see Marcia "[[Showboat]]" Case again, but that will probably never happen :( --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:35, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:::::: Agreed. She's a hottie. I'd like to see Narcho stepping up to a more prominent role, too. Sebastian Spence is a fantastically-talented actor and I was delighted to see him step off the Raptor in ''Pegasus''. Just watch ''First Wave'' to see him shine. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 15:05, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::::"He's the best of what's left." --> Do you mean "You're the best non-commissioned officer I have left.?" -- Adama, [[Litmus]]? If it's from another sci-fi series, I must confess that I don't know shit about them :P --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:12, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:::::Actually, it was a reference to the movie [http://imdb.com/title/tt0107144/ Hot Shots Part Deux] (it was on tv when I was replying to that) where the government goes to get Topper Harley to go rescue all the captured people in Iraq since he's all that is left. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:19, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::::Don't Forget Bulldog... --[[User:Ublej|Ublej]] 15:58, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:::::Hell yeah, almost forgot about that guy. I'd like to see him actually flying a Viper. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:10, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::::::How about taking a spin in the Viper seat? That'd be nice a little "Independence Day" for madam president!--Zareck Rocks 20:49, 9 March 2007 (CST)

== Some notes on gas giants and pressure ==

Since there was some back and forth editing going on on analysis of the destruction of the Viper, I thought I would put some scientific information here to clear up some issues.
* Human beings can actually survive a great deal of pressure, as long as we breathe the right pressurized air mixture. Scuba divers have gone down to over 30 atmospheres, I think people in pressure tank tests have gone further. The risk is that you must depressurize slowly and properly on the way back up or you will get bends/embolisms. We're way more able to handle it than a sealed ship.
* Probes we have sent into Jupiter (such as from Galileo) were able to fall for over an hour down to about 100 miles of depth where they were shut down not by pressure (about 30 atmospheres there) but by the temperature from Jupiter's surprising internal heat.
* The atmosphere is typically hydrogen/methane. That can burn if Oxygen is provided, though it typically does not explode unless the mixture is made just right. The leaking of hydrogen/methane into a ship could cause trouble if not designed for (though I would personally not want to use such ships in a Jovian atmosphere at all.)
* Spacecraft, meant mostly for spaceflight, are usually not designed to withstand much external pressure at all. It adds a lot of weight to do that. They are built to handle the reverse -- their own internal pressure, ranging from 5psi to 15psi (1 Atmosphere.)
* However, a spacecraft with a hull breach or broken window would equalize pressure, and not be crushed in that section. A ship rated for travel in a dense atmosphere would normally just equalize pressure rather than let itself be crushed. Vipers, we have to presume, are not designed for this.
* A helmet, with a curved dome, would be much more resistant to pressure than a ship, and in an ejection suit, this is how it would be designed. However, fairly trivially, it could be designed to equalize pressure if needed. However, Viper helmets, if never intended for use in dense atmosphere, might not do that. (Starbuck's helmet, presuming the window is really broken, obviously works at the pressure she encounters up to the Viper's destruction.)
* Winds would be very dangerous -- they are very strong, and stay strong as you go deep -- up to 700 km/h!
* As noted, on Jupiter one could probably freefall for over an hour, no parachute, with just a scuba tank, before pressure would get you. The temperature and winds would be the killers.
* Fuel tanks and air tanks of course are highly pressurized inside, and would not be damaged by high pressure.
* At the point that pressure is reaching about 2 atmospheres on Jupiter, no light from the sun is getting in. The area they fly appears to have some sunlight still present.

I don't know whether Starbuck will be back or not, on that we can only speculate. I normally prefer dead characters to stay dead. I just want to keep the notes on the physics of their situation consistent with science as we understand it.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:33, 7 March 2007 (CST)

:Be that as it may be, the section read like "IF Starbuck ejected, and IF she could survive in her suit for some hours, and IF someone magically picked her up, then she would survive". And that's kinda fanwanky. Better to write nothing at all then.
:Yeah, she could survive relatively easily in the upper atmosphere, but we don't know how far the Viper went down. It has been established that the ship would burn up (as it did at the end; it wasn't really crushed). So all those explanations aside, the temperature would likely also destroy a spacesuit after a while too, especially if she descended even farther down (maybe that should be mentioned and the whole pressure thing be dropped).
:Saying that the odds for her survival can't be determined is ok, but then the whole thing is kinda pointless in a way. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:45, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::Yup. I was just correcting some notes that were saying she was surely crushed by the pressure, and they were getting re-corrected so I wanted to lay down the physics to avoid that sort of back and forth. It may be that the best thing to say is that the circumstances were left ambiguous, and that based on what we know, we can't say she'll be back, and we can't say she won't. What's worth documenting is what we see in the show, and what we know from science (since it claims to try to be a naturalistic SF show). The only speculative conclusion is that we don't know what happened to her. The way I see it a good role of the wiki is to document all the clues you might wish to know in order to do your own speculations, while not doing those speculations for you. Of course, speculations will always drive those clues -- the main reason you are interested in whether the raider was real or not, or whether she could have survived or not is to form your own hypothesis on how like it is she'll be back. The way to draw the line is to include in the Wiki entries of the form, "If you want to speculate for yourself on Starbuck, here are the facts" rather than "I think Starbuck is dead/alive because of xxx"--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:30, 7 March 2007 (CST)

Rather that have a debate on the issue in successive edits, I have simplified the text to a statement that we don't have sufficient information to judge how good the Galactica ejection suits are. We thus are not going to resolve this. Also corrected wind speed quote from 100 miles/second (which is impossible) to 700 km/hour recorded by NASA probes. Wiki page cited only notes 100 m/s, which is 360 km/hour or 225 mph, quite a bit less than 100 miles/second, which is .05% of lightspeed. {{unsigned|Bradterm}}

I'd like to note for the record that while I don't remember whether dialog established this planet as a gas giant, throughout both of the later flight scenes, both Gaeta and Tigh (and the display Gaeta keeps watch) refer to the "hard deck." In essense they're saying pull up or you will crash into the surface. Jovian planets don't have a "surface" like terrestrial planets do. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_giant] I'm not making any points for Starbuck's alive or dead or somewhere inbetween debate. Just pointing out that we may be focusing on the planet make up a bit too much.
:Whoops...I was so busy figuring out how to properly source my above comment I forgot to sign it!--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 09:06, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:Don't take it too literally. It's a phrase for the altitude where the pressure and temperature will destroy a craft. Not literally the surface. Tigh says as much. The strong magnetic fields that gas giants can have could also explain the presence of [[w:Synchrotron radiation|synchrotron radiation]]. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:14, 9 March 2007 (CST)

== Viper construction and atmospheric pressure ==
My problem with the scientific discussion in the [[Talk:Maelstrom#Some_notes_on_gas_giants_and_pressure|preceding section]] is that it treats the [[Viper_(RDM)|Viper]] as a single component rather than a collection of components, such as weapons, engines, fuel tanks, life-support and cockpit. Some components may not be pressurized, while others certainly are.

We learned in [[Dirty Hands]] that refined [[Tylium]] is a liquid, and is pumped into Viper fuel tanks much like gasoline. In flight, this fuel must be supplied to the engines in a variety of conditions, such as zero-gravity, high-g force maneuvers, atmospheric operations including climbing and diving, and flipping, reversing, turning and braking. This most likely involves sealed tanks which are pressurized sufficiently to keep the Tylium flowing steadily.

The breach of Kara's pressurized cockpit would equalize pressure between that component and the atmosphere, but would not affect fuel tank pressure. As Kara plummets, we see her fuel tanks appear intact as her Viper fuselage heats up, catches fire and explodes. Obviously, much heat is generated before the fire ignites, and that would weaken the structural ability of the fuel tanks to withstand increasing pressure. So I posit the following sequence of events:
*As Kara's Viper dives through the atmosphere, pressure increases and her fuselage heats up, getting weaker and weaker to the point of failure.
*The fuel tanks rupture under pressure and begin leaking fuel.
*The fuel contacts the searing hot fuselage, ignites and explodes.
I'm not a scientist or an engineer (dammit, Jim), but this seems plausible and consistent with events. Perhaps someone with a more appropriate background can enlighten me. [[User:Dogger55|Dogger55]] 13:26, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Did Apollo see the Heavy Raider? ==
RDM has had a couple of 20-questions session on the Battlestar Galactica Forum at SciFi.com. The answer to this question is that Apollo didn't not see the Raider. Didn't whether to move the question here or answer on the episode page. I am planning on adding a entry pointing to the exact threads when I make it home. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:50, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:Do you mean "see" or "notice"? He doesn't appear to notice it in the show, though the audience sees it from his PoV (I put up a screencap of that.) Could not find the thread so await your link.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 19:42, 9 March 2007 (CST)
::Someone was kind enough to condensed the posts into [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2267125 one] for the second set of questions. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:59, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:::A link to the original post from RDM's username is necessary. Once that is found, the note should be placed under "official statements". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:09, 9 March 2007 (CST)

== Visual symbolism, maybe, perhaps ==

I was watching this in the not too long ago (i.e. last week) when I noticed something beautiful. When Kara walks by Roslin in Adama, she strolls through a corridor where some crewmen are working on the lights. When she gets there, the lights go out, but upon turning around and walking away, the light comes back on. It struck as something that was put in there to me something, but I can't really get my head around as to what that something might be. Anyone have a guess or am I just looking for metaphors behind metaphorical bushes? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 22:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:Foreshadowing of her apparent death in Maelstrom and her return at the end of Crossroads? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::Or foreshadowing her prophesied role as herald of the apocalypse, and maybe a hint maybe that the future is not set in stone, that there is a choice. If "all this has happened before, and it will happen again", there were past heralds of the apocalypse, and humanity survived each time to begin the cycle again.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 14:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Is Starbuck from Earth? ==

On her death bed Kara's mother has many items without the corners cut off. However, not all the items were square. Most notably, a painting of the concentric circles is on a square piece of paper. Is this significant or just a mistake?
--[[User:Hulkenergy|Hulkenergy]] 00:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== Doll ==

Is there a significance to the doll seen in the episode? The same blonde doll in a glass case is seen in [[Yolanda Brenn]]'s place early in the episode and on [[Socrata Thrace]]'s bedstand towards the end of the episode. --[[User:Jörg|Jörg]] 00:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/gaghyogi49/BSG/YolandaBrennsdollMaelstrom.jpg
http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/gaghyogi49/BSG/SocrataThracesdollMaelstrom.jpg

: Probably. There's a lot of symbolism in that episode, particularly regarding the mandala. (The tube of ointment next to the doll in the second picture has a small radiant circle that resembles the mandala.) Or it could be a very popular collectors item in the Colonies. There's nothing in [[Podcast:Maelstrom|the commentary]] about it, but definitely raises an interesting question. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)