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CIC

2009-05-05T21:51:32Z

Davidkevin: /* FTL */ Cruft removal

:''This article discusses the CIC of battlestar ''Galactica'' of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. The CIC of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' contained similar stations.''

[[Image:CIC Overview 1.jpg|300px|thumb|The Combat Information Center of ''Galactica''.]]
Colonial [[Battlestar|battlestars]] are centrally operated from the '''Combat Information Center''', or '''CIC''', the battlestar's nerve center. It performs both the functions of a bridge and the CIC in naval parlance, as the vessels are also steered from the CIC.

== ''Galactica'' ==

[[Image:CIC Overview 2.jpg|300px|thumb|The Combat Information Center of ''Galactica''.]]
''Galactica's'' CIC is a faintly-circular room located deep in the interior "alligator head" of the battlestar, where the main hull meets the midship section. From CIC, the battlestar's tactical and navigational operations are monitored and directed. CIC is a large, two-level complex with three bulkhead exits, which are closed during [[Action Stations|action stations]] alerts.

''Galactica's'' CIC is divided into several stations.

* '''Command and Control'''
* '''Communications'''
* '''Damage Control'''
* '''Navigation'''
* '''Helm'''
* '''FTL'''
* '''Tactical'''
* '''Weapons Control'''
* '''Engineering and Environment'''
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[[Image:Bsg-cic-2.jpg|thumb|The Command and Control station.]]
[[Image:Dradisconsole.jpg|thumb|right|Close-up of the [[DRADIS console]].]]
===Command and Control===

The '''Command and Control''' station is the primary station within CIC used by the Commanding and Executive Officers aboard a Colonial battlestar. The center comprises a large communications and a roughly hexagonal "information management" table, with a retractable information display tower bearing a number of LCD screens suspended above it. There are no chairs; the command staff are always standing.

Here, the battlestar's commander and [[Executive officer]] are on station, observing and plotting battle tactics, viewing transparent charts, and giving commands to others in CIC. Above the Command and Control Station are a cluster of monitors known as the [[DRADIS console]]. The DRADIS console descends from a cylindrical ceiling recess when required. From the Command and Control Station, the commander has a 360-degree view of the CIC. The DRADIS console contains DRADIS displays but also includes other navigation and tactical information available to the commander at a glance. The displays are capable of showing a wide range on information including:
* Countdowns ("[[33]]", "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]")
* [[DRADIS]] sensor readings relayed from the DRADIS console
* Battlestar management information, such as the vessel's spatial orientation (pitch, yaw & roll)
* Battle management information

A [[Cylon transponder]] was once mounted on the base of the DRADIS console ([[Miniseries]]), supposedly planted there by [[Aaron Doral]].

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[[Image:Cic_commstation.jpg|right|thumb|The Communication station.]]
===Communications Center===

Adjacent to the Command and Control Center on the port side of CIC is the ''Communications Center''. Here, all communications to and from fighters and other ships are monitored, directed or relayed. In coordination with the Tactical Station, the Communications officer can also verify [[IFF|transponders]] that register as friendly, and alerts the Tactical Officer or commander if they pick up signals without transponders or recognized enemy transponders. The [[Communications Officer]] has a link to the [[Computers#Mainframe computer|mainframe computer]], where a library of Colonial recognition information resides.

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===Damage Control Station===
[[Image:Dmgcontrolconsole.jpg|thumb|[[Galen Tyrol]] at DC panel after a nuclear strike on the port [[flight pod]] ([[Miniseries]]).]]

Situated in the far port side of CIC is ''Damage Control.'' This station, usually unmanned, contains the Damage Control computers, which connect to many sensors throughout the exterior and interior of the ship. A large display against the wall of the station shows damage through a series of lights that represent the [[Frame|frames]], or compartments of the battlestar that form the many segments of the ship.

[[Image:Cicdmgcontrol.jpg|left|thumb|The Damage Control station.]]
A commander can order a Damage Control officer to perform many actions to repair or mitigate the effects of an enemy attack through the controls here, including the venting of compartments, coordination of damage control teams, and the like. It is also likely that alternative damage control stations outside of CIC, such as the [[Aft Damage Control]] room contain similar controls to aid in repairs, control of fires and the like in the event that CIC's damage control is knocked offline or CIC staff are incapacitated.
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[[Image:Cichelmcontrol.jpg|thumb|Helm Control.]]
===Helm Control===
Battlestars move through space much as a submarine navigates in an ocean. There are no windows, no viewscreens to see into space for helm control. While external cameras may be available, they are seldom used in navigation of a battlestar. Navigation is managed by spatial coordinates based on [[DRADIS]] and other sensor information. The helm crewmembers drive the battlestar through a series of controls and based on commands from the Executive officer or commanding officer.

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===Tactical Station===
[[Image:Cictacticalstation1.jpg|thumb|left|The tactical station with tactical plot and table.]]
[[Image:Tact plot.jpg|thumb|right|Close-up of tactical plot.]]

The Officer of the Watch/[[Tactical Officer]] is arguably the busiest officer in ''Galactica's'' CIC. Tasked with the monitoring of [[DRADIS]] and coordinating various command and control functionality, including [[Computers|computer control]], the Tactical Officer must relay changes in status and keep the commander updated continuously during the fluid events of battle. The Tactical officer is typically the first to know that an attack is imminent and will address the battlestar by the public address system to go to battle stations through [[Action Stations|Condition One or Two alerts]].

As ''Galactica's'' computers aren't networked, the Tactical officer must manually print or offload data from the various central computers he monitors (Fire control, Navigation, FTL, and mainframe computers) and relay this information to the other officers and staff in the room. Fortunately, many stations see the same information on displays similar to those at the Tactical Station, but it is the Tactical Officer who is charged with notifying the commander of the changes and interpreting the results. ''Galactica's'' Tactical officer also is the administrator for all central computers onboard and provides maintenance as required.

While the Helm officers drive the ship, it is the Tactical officer that plots [[FTL|FTL jumps]], the apparently instantaneous leap from one location in space to another location millions of kilometers away. The Tactical officer of ''Galactica'' not only has to provide Jump coordinates to the battlestar's helm, but is also responsible for relaying both scheduled sets and sets of [[emergency jump coordinates]] to over 70 other FTL-capable civilian ships that make up [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to ensure that all ships always stay close to ''Galactica's''' protective sphere.

Nearby the Tactical Station is a tactical board and table where the commander can meet with several officers and crew at once for advanced battle or strategy conferences. The Tactical Station is frequently manned by other specialists and officers that assist the Watch Officer.

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===Weapons Control Room===

[[Image:Cicweaponscontrol1.jpg|thumb|left|The Weapons Control Room, left of the tactical station.]]
[[Image:Cicweaponscontrol2.jpg|thumb|right|Weapons Control Room.]]
Hidden away, next to the Tactical Station is the Weapons Control Room. Obscured from direct view during most episodes, the Weapons Control Room ostensibly is manned during [[Action Stations]]. The battlestar's gun [[Battery|batteries]] and other defensive controls are managed here.

In the event that the Weapons Control Room or CIC is knocked offline or its crew incapacitated, control of the ship's batteries can be managed at [[Auxiliary Fire Control]].

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===The Core===

[[Image:CIC Core 2.jpg|thumb|left|Laura Roslin walking along the stations in the Core ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).]]
[[Image:CIC Core 1.jpg|thumb|right|Roslin and Adama talking (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down).]]
The second deck of the CIC, known only as the "Core", offers a bird's eye view of the busy command deck below. This narrow passageway, lined with a limited set of computers and consoles, extends in a semi-circle from just above the port hatch around the rear of the CIC, over Damage Control, the Communications Center and Helm Control, to just above the starboard hatch. There is also a small room with computers behind the consoles. Two sets of stairs lead up to the Core; one is next to the starboard hatch, and the other is just behind the Communications Center. They can be easily spotted by the blue lights behind them.

The Core often proves to be a conveniently private area of the CIC for [[William Adama]] to meet with his associates to discuss delicate affairs while on duty. In "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]" he meets here with [[Laura Roslin]] to discuss the creation of [[Gaius Baltar]]'s [[Cylon detector]], and again in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" with [[Saul Tigh]] to discuss [[Kara Thrace]]'s desertion to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]].

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=== FTL ===

The FTL station is in the area behind the Tactical Station. It is not routinely manned, but can be manned by up to two crewmembers. All functions of the FTL drive and computer can be controlled from this station. While the engineering portions of the FTL drive are usually controlled and monitored by engineering staff, this station is sometimes staffed when more complex jumps must be made. This station is where the Tactical Officer plots and executes the jump. Sometimes the Tactical Officer inputs the jump coordinates himself, while other times the station is manned by two seated crewmen. However, the jump is always executed by the Tactical Officer himself. The FTL drive is engaged by inserting a blue "key" into a receptacle at the center of the console and turning it. This console folds down into a table when it is not being used.

== ''Pegasus'' ==

''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'s'' CIC is far smaller than ''Galactica's'', reflecting the [[Mercury class battlestar|advanced battlestar]]'s increased automation and reliance on computer networks. According to Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], the ship is far larger, but requires only half the crew ([[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus]]), as evidenced by the reduced size and staffing of CIC.

The CIC has overall far fewer stations than ''Galactica's'' and occupies only one level, but the general layout is similar. The command table with computer screens above is located in the center, around which the main stations such as tactical, helm and communications are grouped, allowing the commanding officer to quickly address all officers.

There are two larger consoles with seats and no fewer than five free standing stations; additionally, there are two standing tactical plotters on opposing ends of the CIC.

While ''Galactica's'' CIC doors are solid bulkheads, ''Pegasus's'' CIC lies adjacent to a large hallway and can be accessed through a series of glass doors that pivot ninety degrees. A door is also located along the opposite wall to the extreme left.

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Image:PegasusInterior CIC1.jpg|''Pegasus'' CIC ([[The Captain's Hand]]).
Image:PegasusInterior CIC2.jpg|''Pegasus'' CIC (The Captain's Hand).
Image:PegasusInterior CIC3.jpg|''Pegasus'' CIC (The Captain's Hand).
Image:PegasusInterior CICHallway.jpg|Hallway and entrance to the CIC (The Captain's Hand).
Image:Pegasus_CIC_view_1.jpg|A view of ''Pegasus'' CIC.
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== ''Valkyrie'' ==

''[[Valkyrie]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> CIC is the same size as those of the ''Mercury'' class with the same general aesthetic and console configurations, although there are minor positional changes. Noteworthy differences include bulkhead coloring and the lack of the glass doors. Unlike other battlestars, there is only one main entrance to CIC that is located in the center of the wall parallel to the command table, behind where Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] stands ([[Hero]]).

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Image:Valkyrie bridge.jpg|''Valkyrie'''s CIC.
Image:Valkyrie CIC.jpg|Full view of ''Valkyrie'''s CIC.
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==Notes==

* The destruction of other battlestars during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]] hinged on the Colonial's dependence on complex networking within most CICs. It is likely that the battlestars that were destroyed required fewer crewmembers to operate it since they used networked computer systems that moved data around faster than the crew that literally ran between stations in ''Galactica's'' CIC with pen and paper or data cartridges to transfer messages and data.
* A [[Cylon agent]], probably the first copy of [[Aaron Doral]] encountered, installed a [[Cylon transponder]] at the base of the DRADIS console shortly before the Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]). Dr. Baltar is aided by his virtual [[Number Six]] in identifying it to the CIC command staff. It is likely that the transponder is placed there to track ''Galactica'' should it escape the initial Cylon attack.
*According to [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]], in a deleted scene from "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", the ''Galactica'' CIC is staffed by roughly 50 people.
*The battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' is a third CIC seen in the series. Being of an intermediate design between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', its CIC is similar to the latter vessel. Cinematically the set is a redress of the ''Pegasus'' CIC set.

==Cinematic Information==

* Cinematic realism on the CIC set is enhanced with the use of actual submarine hardware, such as thick phones with cords.
* Unlike the command centers of many science fiction space vessels, ''Galactica's'' CIC does not have a central viewing screen out into space. There isn't a single window looking out, in fact. Navigation is performed from sensor and spatial data not unlike a submarine.
* The CIC set used for the ''Pegasus'' are the modified remains of set hardware intended for use on a revival of the "Lost in Space" television series. When the series project was cancelled, the show's sets were refitted to form the CIC for this advanced battlestar. This is also the behind the scenes reason why the ''Pegasus'' CIC is not as large as the two-level ''Galactica'' CIC; the production team simply could not afford to make another set on the scale of the ''Galactica'' CIC, and were able to build the ''Pegasus'' CIC by purchasing the canceled "Lost in Space" sets for next to nothing.
* The Sci-Fi Channel official web site incorrectly names CIC as the "''Command'' Information Center." The correct name is verifiable from the center's name that is etched in the glass of the doors of the set.
*The Weapons Control Section is a rarely seen (in terms of use in episodes) and secluded part of CIC. The area was shown manned and in action during the closing moments of the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]] ([[Miniseries]]), just before [[Anastasia Dualla]] reports that Starbuck and Apollo have not yet returned to ''Galactica.'' The area was likely built with the set budget before later restrictions would make building one impossible. The angle and enclosed area suggests that the area is used in production to allow film crew to hide off-camera without being off-set during filming.

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* See Also
** DRADIS|DRADIS
** Situation Room|Situation Room
** Senior Staff of Galactica|Galactica's Senior Staff
** Computers in the Re-imagined Series|Computers in the Re-imagined Series
* Analogues
** Basestar command|Basestar Command
* Other Series
** Core Command|Core Command, TOS's counterpart
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Talk:Daybreak, Part II/Archive 1

2009-05-05T21:42:40Z

Davidkevin: /* Lost Viper */ fixed tense error

== Move ==
Why move this? The way I understand this, this is still episode 20, but it will be lengthened to actually be 3 episodes long. So in a away there are 21/22 episodes even, and not 19. However, [http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html This] says that the season will be 11 hours and not 12, but that doesn't mean that we need to get rid of episode 19 already. Especially given that the finale will probably air in at least 2 parts. So it makes some sense to have separate episodes guides for two airings. By production numbers this would be one episode, but split apart by airdate numbers. Maybe we should wait for some further clarification. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:It could be split up into 3 parts in reruns. I think it would be easier to start with a single article and then split as necessary after it airs. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::If Sci Fi is gonna pull a Miniseries and air this thing in two parts, we should pull a Miniseries too and have [[Miniseries, Night 1|separate]] [[Miniseries, Night 2|articles]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Which we can do after we know where the break point is. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

There's no reason to split the article at this time. We won't know how things will be aired until they're actually aired. All we know for now is that the finale's been extended... that's it. Creating two or three sections based on something we have absolutely very little information on is just... ill-advised. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:The proposal wasn't a split, but a merge with 419 I think (the article exists. It just isn't linked to, because it's an empty skeleton). But the result is the same. The way I understand it, 419+420 will be the finale then, with both episodes running 3 hours together (incl. ads I guess). We'll see. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, ok. Sounded like it would be a split, with at least one additional article, seeing as each article would cover an hour. Anyway, we don't have enough information to be certain; it's still really all up in the air, and they have now until doomsday to figure out how to release the thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
''Daybreak, Part 2'' (and ''Part 3'') [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Can we PLEASE change the title of the page to Part II & Part III -- It is being sold on iTunes, Amazon, etc. and two completely different episodes and this actually screwed me up immensely because I ended up reading spoilers for Part 3 before I started watching it. Yes, this is how it aired, but it is not how it is being archived. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 13:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Analysis==
"Ronald D. Moore appears in a cameo as the man holding a National Geographic magazine in New York City. "

I think there is much more to it. Ronald D. Moore is appearing as himself reading that article because his knowledge of "Eve" influenced the series. In other words, the series is a result of the events depicted in the series. With that scene, Battlestar Galactica becomes part of Battlestar Galactica.

:This is impossibel since as of 2009 mitochondrial Eve's remains haven't been found yet, this scene is set in the future, after the series ended.
--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 20:02, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::Checkout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve. First articals apearred in 2003 ;)

It's not the same thing: we've known about mitochondrial Eve since before the series started, but her actual remains have not been found, there were never any bones of her found up to this day.
It's possible that Moore knowing about Eve's existence may have influenced the show, but he has never read an NGC article about the finding of her remains, simply because those remains haven't been found and thus never made their way into an NGC article.
--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 20:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Notes==

I recognised it immediately when watching the episode (and it's already on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daybreak_(Battlestar_Galactica)#Outside_references ), the "Kodiak" spacecraft from Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun can be seen among the fleet during this episode.

==(Un)answered questions)==

The following Ron Moore interview clears up some misunderstandings about the show: http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html

1) Kara Thrace's father was NOT the lost cylon Daniel.

2) The Missiles Racetrack's Raptor (accidentally) fires at the cylon colony were nukes that severely damaged the colony and made it fall from its stable orbit into the singularity (black hole) so the colony has been utterly destroyed.

3) The Earth which is discovered in this episode is not the same planet that was discovered in "Revelations." The Earth of "Revelations" was not the planet we now live on, but our Earth was named after it.

There are still a bunch of unanswered questions:

1) What is the nature of the divine power (although this was probably intentionally left unanswered.)

2) Who were the Lords of Kobol and what happened to that world?

3) How did the colonials get from Kobol to the colonies and if they were technologically advanced, how did they loose all knowledge of Kobol, save for some religious texts?

4) What happened to those who nuked the old Earth 2000 years ago, some of these victors would have survived, but they re never seen or heard from.

5) Why didn't Cavil and his cylons try to re-invent resurrection themselves as the technology wasn't that far ahead of them (it was re-invented by the final five on old-Earth in a civilization that hadn't even invented jump drives.)

6) How could the resurrection hub control all resurrection ships while there was never any mention of FTL-communication on the show and why wasn't the resurrection hub integrated into the colony rather than floating around in deep space, vulnerable and guarded by only 2 baseships.

7) Was the colony really the place where all cylons lived, was their civilization so small (and clearly no match for the colonial military before the holocaust) and are there no baseships left out there that still have cylons aboard who want to exact their revenge on humanity? They may die out like the article suggests, but there's nothing stopping them from taking Earth with them (provided they find it within their lifetime.)

8) What happened to the other rebel cylons? Was it just the 3 baseships that rebelled, and if not, where are the other 2's, 6's and 8's?

9) How did Lee get everyone to agree to give up technology (even medical)?

10) Had it not made more sense to build new cities on Earth and rebuild the advanced colonial civilization, when everyone understood how important equal treatment of cylons and humans is, instead of letting Earth's humans build their own civilization thousands of years later, humans who are likely to make the same old mistakes with artificial intelligence and repeat the cycle?

11) How come no intelligent alien life has ever been encountered by colonials or cylons in their histories, but when it finally happens these aliens are identical to humans, who somehow evolved separately from the Kobol humans? Somehow this amazing coincidence being an "act of God" seems like a rather unsatisfactory answer.

12) Since all the fleet's decisions after the Ellen's reapperarance have been about breaking the cycle, is Lee afraid that by having superior technology on earth the cylons and colonials would "enslave" the native population, creating yet another cycle?

-- [[User:Gully|Gully]] 21:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

:: He doesn't actually say that about Kara. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right, I've edited my post. -- [[User:Gully|Gully]] 21:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

: I'd still like to know the origin of Kara's pristine Viper from her resurrection or how she died going into a gas giant with her corpse resting on a planet light-years away. And what the deal is with the Centurions from "Razor" and the Hybrid they deified. And while I understand his prophesy, I'd like to know why the old Hybrid didn't want Kara to lead a new civilisation to Earth. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 02:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:: Her being sent back with a new viper was supposed to be an act of the divine power. I think the Razor centurions were explained as regular mutineers, they saw the first hybrid as some kind of prophet because of the way it talked and wanted to protect it from being scrapped. Seeing as how Kara was largely responsible for the end of Cylon civilization, except the few centurions that are still left, this explains why '''CYLON''" hybrids call her the harbinger of death (it was never stated she was the harbinger of death for humanity.) -- [[User:Gully|Gully]] 20:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Gully, as for question four the Thirteenth Tribe's Earth got nuked by their Centurions. From the surface, not from space. M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). The Final Five secretly built a ship and rebuilt resurrection (Which the 13th Tribe hadn't needed since first achieving reproduction on Kobol). That was how they escaped. -- [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 04:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

: Alright, but being centurions the radiation wouldn't really hurt them, they could easily have created their own civilization after the dust settled (a bit like the machines in the "Terminator".) -- [[User:Gully|Gully]] 15:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:: Machines can be disabled by radiation, and the impacts themselves would have destroyed the Centurions. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

From the article: “Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?” answer: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen_(film) yes]. -- [[User:LaloMartins|LaloMartins]] 12:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Regarding point six, in [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]], it was stated that, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] jumps, it transmits its' new location to the [[Hybrid]]s, so FTL communication technology definitely exists. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Adding a question on, the CGI Raptor launched ''16'' missiles, why were only 8 shown after the launch scene?--[[User:CHr0n0sPh3r3|CHr0n0sPh3r3]] 06:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

==== What Precisely Killed [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] and [[Hamish McCall|Skulls]]? ====

The Marines in the rear of the cabin were killed by explosive decompression and vacuum exposure, but Racetrack and Skulls were in sealed pressure suits. I don't recall seeing suit damage in that quick shot of Margaret's hand falling on the missile-launch button. Did the one penetrating rock cause invisible crushing injuries to both of them? It didn't look big enough to hit both of them square on. -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 08:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:Skulls whas hit in his face or chest by the rock and there was a small hole in Racetrack's helmet when her hand fell on the button.--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 00:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

==== [[Delphi]] ====

In the episode "[[Downloaded]]" the cylons were rebuilding the Caprican city of [[Delphi]] and living in it. Was this effort completely abandoned when the Cylons decided to occupy [[New Caprica]]? Or has the effort to recover [[Caprica_(RDM)|Caprica]] continued all this time and is it still occupied? Are there still a substantial number of human-Cylons living on Caprica? Will it become like first Earth before their holocaust, an entirely Cylon-populated society? Are any humans stragglers left alive on either Caprica or New Caprica? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 09:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

: They likely did leave the colonies after [[Downloaded]], there may still be some baseships out there, but the cylons on them are aging and cannot procreate. Even if they found Earth within their lifetimes a handful of basestars probably don't have enough nukes to obliterate the Earth's surface, that is assuming they'll actually know humans are living on Earth: it's pretty hard to find a stone age culture or neolithic society from space, even when you're actively looking for them (sure the colonials found one tribe, but in order to kill all humans with a limited number of nukes you'd have to know the positions of every tribe on Earth.)
There may be human survivors left on the colonies but it's unlikely: sure, they may have survived the nukes and the radiation, but the cylons actively hunted them down, probably to populations too small to repopulate the planets.--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 00:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

==== Lost Viper ====

During the "back-breaking" of ''Galactica'' a Viper fell out of the bow of the port flightpod and floated downward relative to the ship, which was horizontal relative to the moon below. Has RDM mentioned what happened to it? Was it recovered to the ship, was it left adrift in Solar orbit (where it theoretically could still be), or did it crash onto the Moon? (Which would leave wreckage which could be discovered in the present or future.) -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 21:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

==== Birch trees ====

(A notation rather than a question.) Birch trees don't grow and never grew in Africa, yet we clearly see them in /B/r/i/t/i/s/h/ /C/o/l/u/m/b/i/a/ Africa at the Colonial landing site. -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 21:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Angels Make Life In This Galaxy Boringly Homogenous. ==

I slept on this, but my original impression after watching Daybreak Park # 2 is that these Angels make things boring:

They create pidgins, dogs, cats, foxes, people, oranges, tuna, et cetera. I would not be surprised if the Angels dropped a big rock on the dinosaurs just so they can have a clean slate for creating rats.

Once they create people, they make the people invent pianos, worship Zeus, Yahweh, Thor, et cetera. They make the people play “All Along The Watchtower”. They see to it that the people create Cylons.

We are not descended from apes, but from # 8s — a little wordplay because 8 and ape sound similar. the mitochondrial DNA of the # 8s is so similar to that of Homo '' neanderthalensis '' that we apparently have a common ancestor, Homo '' heidelbergensis '' half a million years ago even though that is impossible.

If we explore the Galaxy, will only find humans and cylons. ¿What is the point? ¿Why bother exploring?

Arthur C. Clarke in '' 2001 '' had a similar idea of lonely aliens helping intelligent life evolve, but the beings did not care about the final form. In other words, diversity is the rule in '' 2001. ''

We still do not know the nature of these Angels other than that Starbuck seems to be one of them

I do not know how this fits into the article, but it fits into the article somehow. I figure that I should but this on the talkpages for '' Virtual Beings '' and '' Daybreak # 2. ''

----
From Act 10 section of article: "(This is in the year 1987 AD.)" How can it be 1987 when the flat panel TV clearly showed MSNBC logo at the bottom? MSNBC was created in 1996.--[[User:Steven512|Steven512]] 14:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Yes, the robots you see in this scene were also developed after 1987 and as far as I know the remains of mitochondrial Eve have never been found.
In 1987 it was discovered that there had been a mitochondrial Eve, this was based on DNA-research among modern humans, her actual remains have not been found to this day so the scene takes place in the near future (it could even be tomorrow), not in 1987!
--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 15:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Hera's Mate = Boxey? ==

From the notes section

''On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and and the male being say 60 to take an extreme, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and slightly older in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself an significantly more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is harder than with human-human pairings making any pool of those pairing while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, still quite small number compared to pure human offspring. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist.''

Boxey could be Hera's mate. It would make sense.

Boxey as Y-chromosomal Adam? Or would that be "Adama"? heh--[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 15:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

: The chromosomal Adam live tens of thousands of years after the Mitochondrial Eve.

: [[User:Walabio|Walabio]] 17:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::Walabio is right and why would it be more likely for Hera to end up with Boxey instead of with one of the other hundreds of children from the fleet?
--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 18:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::The ''Y-chromosomal Adam'' reference was to make the pun based on Boxey being Apollo's adopted son in TOS :). As for why it would make sense, it be for no other reason that it would give the RDM version of the character some (belated) importance, which he lacked through the run of the show. Why have her end up with some random kid from the fleet than have her end up with a character who had some level of development? Plus, look at it this way, the original intent according to some references on this site say that the plan was to make Boxey, Tyrol, and Sharon (Boomer) a makeshift family. Having him end up with Hera accomplishes part of that intent as he'd be related to one version of Sharon (Athena)--[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 18:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It is a moot point. He had NO relevant to BSG any more since they dropped him as a character. If they didn't drop him as a character I think the perfect end would had been making him that guy that was killed in the mutiny, you know the one that acted as a runner between CIC and some damaged area of the ship to get a damage report for Adama at the near the beginning of the mutiny? He was then later killed by Gaeta's trigger happy Marines when he pushed Adama to the deck, saving his life. That would had been a good way for Boxey to go. He would had been the right age (17) and would had gave his character an ultimate purpose, to save Adama when the time came.
::: Of course it is possible for Boxey and Hera to had gotten together. He would had been 14 years old when Hera was born but with Hera say 20 years old Boxey would had been 34, a reasonable age difference allowable in both our and Colonial Society. And further it would had been another of the shows many ironies and "what goes around, comes around" themes: Boxey, who was taken in by Boomer, an Eight as a quasi foster son, later marries the daughter of Athena, an Eight, who was stolen and then given back by Boomer who was then killed Athena. Imagine all the physiological turmoil that could case Boxey. This show thrived on that sort of thing. LOL [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 23:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Number Three ==

Couldn't they have sent a Raptor or an FTL-capable ship to find Number Three and bring her to the New Earth with them? It would have been the humane thing to do. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 15:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

: She was left on a dead-to-humans world, where the only plant life we saw were grasses or other non-edibles, with a background radiation count above the safe level beyond short exposure: even the water was contaminated. She probably died within a few weeks of being left behind. -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 12:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Good point. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 14:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It was established by Athena in [[The Passage]] that Cylons are far more resistant to radiation than humans are. In fact they bombed [[Caprica]] and the other Colonies with high yield nuclear weapons '''outside''' the cities so they could kill the humans but keep the buildings and infrastructure intact. We saw them settling in [[Caprica City]] in "[[Downloaded]]" even reopening the coffee shops, so radiation is of no problem to them (except for the rare special kind of Nebula radiation at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]) So it is possible for [[D'Anna Biers]] to survive the radiation of Earth One and even drink the rain water. Food on the other hand would be a problem and I saw no evidence of surviving animal life, and this all assumes that she wanted to survive, which I don't think she would due to staying on the radioactive rock in the first place. Still, it would had been a nice thing to try to find her. Maybe a miracle would had happened LOL. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== "No Further Significant Revelations..."==

I think this statement in the advisory tag is premature. There's still "The Plan", as well as, in theory, the Caprica series, both of which might provide further revelations with regards to Daybreak and the series itself. Certainly The Plan, anyway. Not to mention the presumed deleted scenes that will be on the DVD and there's a rumor Daybreak will be extended for the DVD as well. There's still a chance for some issues to be resolved. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 13:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:That's interesting. I don't expect The Plan to reveal much of anything about what Kara became or who the Virtual beings were, but Caprica might explore it given the establishment that they appear at times when the cycle of time (machine on human violence) begins. Caprica might provide the answers to the lingering questions if for nothing more than to give fans of BSG a reason to watch. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 14:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

::Let's hope so, though I don't expect they will reveal much more about the divine powers or the angels, ever. It would take away the mystery and the sense that there is something bigger than us (humans and cylons), now we are left wondering if the divine power is a God, or just a very advanced race (maybe the perpetrators (or their descendents) of the first holocaust during the first cycle are feeling guilty) and I think that's how Ron Moore intended it to be. However, ''Caprica'' may reveal more about colonial history: what happened to Kobol, how did humans move from Kobol to the colonies, why was that history almost completely forgotten (was there a colonial dark age) and who or what were the Lords of Kobol? --[[User:Gully|Gully]] 15:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I'm sure that many people would agree, or at least theorize, that the virtual beings are Moore's version of the beings of light from the Ship of Lights, especially considering what happened to Kara, which I've seen (here or elsewhere, I forget) compared to what happened to the Starbuck from the original series on the last episode of Galactica 80. I think that the reason why Moore must have decided to leave things vague is that he didn't want to "cheapen it" by introducing something like the Ship of Lights into his show, which was more realistic than the original version. Now that I think about it, when Baltar tells Six that "it" doesn't like to be called God, it could be that "it" is the Ship of Lights or whatever version of it that exist in this version of the story. It would be cool if there was more exploration of this in Caprica, as well as further exploration of the "jealous God" from Kobol (which I'm sure we'll hear more of due to this headmistress in Caprica who doesn't believe in the Lords of Kobol) and all the other lingering questions from the show. In fact, given that religion is an important aspect of Caprica as it was in BSG (RDM) I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more of this down the line. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 17:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Hi, guys. Here's my two cents, since I'm the Senior Chief that added the special notice. "No further significant revelations" means "the story is generally over." BSG isn't Star Trek, guys. RDM has stated that there are some elements of the story that he wouldn't resolve, but that he would resolve the important stuff. Is that etched in stone somewhere? No. I'm sure ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' may open a few new questions. But until that series debuts, what we have is what we have. Battlestar Wiki allows some speculation because we're talking about a work of fiction. But to speculate further when no further answers are likely and people are making what's otherwise original research--that's [[BW:FANW|fanwanking]], and it's not allowed on Battlestar Wiki. For the purposes of this episode summary because its so long (and must be), we have to keep focus and not overload the article. Episode summaries are the only articles where questions can be asked (provided they don't go out of control) but many questions will not be answered. As soon as the noise dies down we can move some pressing questions to [[BW:OC|our special Q&A page answered by BSG co-producer Bradley Thompson]]. In my opinion, the nature of the Virtual Beings and Kara have been answered as far as RDM wanted to do. They are beings of divine source--and folks, religion is one thing that RDM loved to keep close to his chest to add to the BSG mystique. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::: I'm not saying that The Plan is going to answer all the unanswered questions, etc. However The Plan has been acknowledged as the coda for this series, and just as important to it as Razor was. However the special notice as I saw it wasn't just in reference to Daybreak, but to the Wiki in general, and that's where I think it's premature. In terms of Daybreak itself, I agree that any additional revelations in The Plan will likely be minor and there are unlikely to be any in Caprica at all relating to that particular episode. But I think questions that come to mind are still worth asking with regards to characters that could be addressed in The Plan. And unless someone has already seen The Plan, or RDM has explicitly stated otherwise, we can't really predict which characters may or may not be addressed. Something that might be interesting once The Plan airs and is analysed is to go through the episode articles and compile the outstanding questions that the series has left unanswered. I think there will be fewer than some think, with the remainder being just enough to put this series into the same league as "The Prisoner" in that people will still be arguing over "what does it mean" 40 years from now. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 02:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== How did the fleet reach Earth 2 / New Earth? ==
As far as I understood it before Galactica departed for the Colony they agreed to a rendezvous location with the fleet. But when jumping away from the colony Starbuck punched in the numbers of the song and Galactica jumped for its last time. But when it reappeared over New Earth the fleet also jumped right in. How did they get the coordinates (a raptor jumping to the rendezvous location?)? But how did they get them so fast? [[User:DJ Doena|DJ Doena]] 14:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:Galactica still had a few raptors left (we saw 7 of them landed on Earth) and 12 hours passed between the shot of Galactica jumping near the Moon and the rest of the fleet showing up, nothing fishy going on there. --[[User:Gully|Gully]] 15:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

::The key here was time pressure. Someone had the coordinates, but with the chaos of getting sucked into a black hole, no one could give them to Kara in time before ''Galactica's'' final jump. When all was stable, someone remembered/recalled the Fleet's coordinates, sent a Raptor, and all was good. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:You missed the letters onscreen spelling "Twelve Hours Later". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

== Consolidation change ==

Hey everyone! I just wanted to take a moment to explain the format and consolidation change for Act I. This change is a test for updating the event summary because:

*Each detail does not require a bullet.
*Having bullets for every event make it look redundant.

*However, having bullets between major events makes the summary flow a little better. This was the approach I used when summarizing [[Daybreak, Part I]]. It gives each scene a sense of distinction, like this example.

Are there any other opinions regarding this proposed change? If it's OK, I can start work on the other acts. -- [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 20:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:Given the massive data, it's okay to condense a few points. But keep it to maybe three or four lines condensed. Any larger and it's hard to follow. Try to keep it looking like the other episode guides as much as possible for consistency. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for the working guideline. As of this writing, Act I & II are done, and starting on the rest. Hope you guys like it! -- [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 07:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

==The robot at the end==
I corrected an addition in Story Notes that suggested the female robot at the very end is the one that was unveiled only a few days before the broadcast. That would have been very cool, but it's actually the "Actroid" which was unveiled 4 years ago. Interestingly I found Actroid, a 4-year-old technology, to be more lifelike than the one unveiled last week... [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 02:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

==The model on the cover of "Sports Limited"==
Here's a challenge for those who watched this on HD sets... I've heard it suggested that the model on the cover of "Sports Limited" (the SI-like magazine seen on the newsstand) might actually be Tricia Helfer. I can't tell at all on the computer-screen I'm using, but it might be a neat bit of trivia (not to mention it would open a line of speculation as to whether the Sixes have survived to the present day) if it's true. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

== Questions Section ==

I can never be more blunt than I tried to be before on these last two guides. The questions sections follow strict rules [[Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions/Episode_Guides#Questions_Section]] is the policy on this section. I am going to again clear out the questions section with the bad stuff. Users who do not follow our polices on the [[BW:SAC]] will be warned and if after being warned by doing it again, will be banned. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

== Lie-dector test "question" ==

In the Questions section, somebody asked:'' "During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon?"''

This was a control question in order to get a baseline from which to compare the real questions for deception. Such as if a polygraph-operator were to ask "Are you a dinosaur?" This fact was made immediately clear in the dialogue. This was in no way left unclear. It's not a mystery. It's not even a debate.

I've deleted it.

== What year is it "question" ==

Another rediculous addition to the Questions section: ''"What year is it on Earth during the final scene?"''

That too was answered by the title: "150,000 Years Later". Go back 150,000 years from 2009 AD, and you have the answer: 148000 B.C.E.

I've deleted the question.

== Regarding my edits to Questions Section ==

I've removed these three questions:

* Why so many zeros in the Model 0005?
* Does either Battlestar Galactica TV series exist in some form on the new Earth?
* Who or what is God exactly?

The first two are completely and utterly ridiculous and do not have any merit as questions. They will never be answered, and it's simply beneath the scope of what questions should be in that section in the first place.

The third question has been pretty much answered in the series by Baltar, who is essentially the mouthpiece of the writers coda on that subject. In the universe of BSG, God is a force of nature who doesn't like the name "God." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Galactica breaking her back ==

Just noticed, Galactica made her final jump with her flight pods out, maybe thats what caused the damage? I mean the extra forces exerted on the ship because of the higher amount of ship to effect. It makes sense that Galactica jumping without her pods retracted would place extraordinary amount of stress on the ship. Every other time even when dropping through the atmosphere at New Caprica the Galactica always had her pods retracted fro a jump.
--[[User:CHr0n0sPh3r3|CHr0n0sPh3r3]] 08:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

:That could very well have been a contributing factor, but there are many other factors in play, too, namely
:*her age,
:*compromises made during construction,
:*accumulated stresses and fractures from past battle damage and the sheer number of jumps,
:*lack of proper dock repair and maintenance,
:*her last sustained pounding at close-range, and ramming into the Colony.
:And consider that Adama and Tigh were told that she only had a few more jumps in her before she suffers structural damage. The old girl was already falling apart.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 13:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I remember that one of the specialists told Adama that Galactica had 5 jumps left max, but nevermind it I just took notice of it and wanted to see what everyone else thought of it. EDIT: Also noticed that Glactica's flight pods went up and down of their own accord after the jump, maybe thats why they retract the pods? I think the Mercuries could non-retract jump because of the way their support struts are placed. By the looks of it the movement of the pods was absolutely massive and that kind of stress would most certainly break Galactica's back no matter what sort of structural damage she had before. --[[User:CHr0n0sPh3r3|CHr0n0sPh3r3]] 07:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:A suspension bridge's cables snap, and the road buckles. Overwhelming stresses on the road deform it, and the cables snap. A similar arguement can be made for the flight pods. There could have been torque forces on the pods, but the loss of lateral supports could have affected the ship's rigidity that caused the body to flex, which could also cause the flight pods to sway, too.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 07:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==Cylon Longevity==

According to [[No Exit]], Ellen and the others created Cavil in the image of her father, so it stands to reason that, 40 years prior to the fall of the colonies, he was already a man in his 70'(s?) and in fact had not aged in those four decades. It can be assumed that the same holds true for the other six humanoid cylons, all of which were considerably younger than him.

The point here is, if humaoid Cylons don't age then the surviving Cylons who didn't make it to Earth wouldn't have died out as it has been speculated, be it from old age or lack of mates to reproduce with. Their longevity could surpass human longevity and they could be alive at the end of the series.

Furthermore there's the issue of boxing. They could have boxed themselves as a form of suspended animation to ensure their survival and programmed Guardian Centurions to watch over them.

All in all, there are many number of ways in which the humanoid Cylons that didn't make it to Earth could have survived. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 20:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit: Now that I think about it, what about the Cylons who did make it to Earth? If they don't age, how did they die out? --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 00:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

: Perhaps aging was only a non-issue when they had resurrection tech. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

::You mean, they did age but then transfered their conciousness to younger bodies? That's possible. What about the option to box their conciousness? They could still survive that way (sure, their bodies might die out without some form of suspended animation given that they are biological, but their conciousness could survive as 1s and 0s that could be downloaded into new bodies 150,000 years later). --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 20:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

== Removed questions ==

I've removed the following questions:
* Who were/are the Lords of Kobol?
** Good question, but not one with any connection to this episode.
* What year is the present day?
** I'm not sure what this is asking. We are shown that the Colonial's present is 150 000 years before our own.
* Who is the dying leader? Laura Roslin? Galactica? Starbuck?
** The narrative gives us many explicit statements that it is Roslin, and she fits the role perfectly, making it unnecessary to try and jam someone else into the position. Doing so without clear indications from the show is speculation.
* What’s the deal with Kara Thrace?
** She was sent back by "God" as an angel to guide the people to the new Earth. Covered fairly conclusively, if not explicitly.
* What is the true nature of the Head People?
** They were angels, as was stated many times.
* Who or what is guiding events?
** Something akin to "God", though it doesn't like to be called that. I think this is covered sufficiently in the earlier question about why "God" is guiding events.
* Is Virtual Baltar really the archangel Gabriel? If not, is Virtual Leobon? (Assuming they're not actually the same being, that is.)
** Theory without basis in the show.
--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 23:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

== Parallel evolution ==

It is implausible scientifically that Earth humans and Colonials just happened to evolve in parallel without outside influence (possibly from the head beings). Therefore, I wouldn't state it as fact that they're alien to each other -- there is no support for that in the show. The facts are that they can mate and that the characters are surprised about humans existing on Earth, but I wouldn't go as far as drawing conclusions about the origins of Colonials and humans. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

:It could be that in the Galactica universe humans are the standard of life across the universe, which is why they never encountered other life forms during their travels. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 14:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:And yet no one remarks about the fact that New Caprica and the Algae planet's trees look like Earth trees. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:: I covered this on this very talkpage [[#The_Angels_Make_Life_In_This_Galaxy_Boringly_Homogenous. | here. ]] Basically, the [[Angel]]s guide evolution subtly by such means as dropping huge asteroids on the dinosaurs so that they can create dodos in their place. Because of these [[Angel]]s life is the same everywhere right down to identical pianofortes playing [[the Music | All Along The Watchtower. ]]

:: [[User:Walabio|Walabio]] 18:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Most importantly, don't forget the suits and ties, which were reinvented by accident or through the collective unconscious. Back to the topic, though - all I'm saying is that the fact that Earth humans are primitive in that era does not necessarily imply that the Colonials evolved totally independently on Kobol and are therefore aliens, as the note in the article stated. No need to make such bold conclusions for the sake of "You know what that actualy means?"-type trivia; we know the visible facts, and they should be reported as such, and we know there is a LOT that we don't know about the head beings, which opens up any number of possibilities for future storytelling. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 20:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

::::"And yet no one remarks about the fact that New Caprica and the Algae planet's trees look like Earth trees" The Algae planet could have been terraformed by the 13th Tribe before they reached Earth (maybe they intended to settle there but then learned of the supernova and changed their minds, but not after they had terraformed the planet and built the temple). New Caprica had trees? Wasn't it mostly a desert? --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 20:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

::::: I shall address the remarks of Graf Iblis, None Of Your Business, and Man of the Atom together:

::::: What Graf Iblis says could make sense:

::::: Let us suppose that the [[Angel]]s scooped up humans from Our Earth, took them to Cobol taught them to talk and ruled over them as the [[Lords of Cobol]] 160 thousand years ago. That makes sense.

::::: About the trees on New Caprica, trees on our Earth come in 3 shapes:

* - Cone-Shaped

* - Mushroom-Shaped

* - Palm-Tree-Shaped

::::: For all 3 shapes one can find both angiosperms and gymnosperms. For the Palm-Tree-shaped we even have some ferns too. Convergent evolution like sharks and ichthyosaurs probably can explain the trees looking alike.

::::: [[User:Walabio|Walabio]] 23:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::: If the same tree species, and foxes, and chickens, and so on, can evolve on different planets without terraforming, humans aren't a stretch. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::: But the trees need not be the same species on New Caprica.. Indeed, they may have only a superficial resemblance to each other. Despite looking externally similar ichthyosaurs and sharks are very different. For foxes, pidgins, humans, et cetera to be on both Cobol and our Earth, the [[Angel]]s would have to stear biological evolution on both planets or scooped up these organisms on our Earth where we know for a fact they evolved and taken them to Cobol.

::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 00:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: And the Twelve Colonies, if humans didn't bring them from Kobol (and I doubt they did). -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::: It was mine understanding that the Colonists brought life from Cobol and terraformed the 12 planets orbiting a few stars in an open star-cluster.

::::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 04:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::: No one ever said this. Was it in the role-playing game? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::: No. It just 1 of only 2 ideas making sense:

# - The Colonists terraformed several planets orbiting several stars in an open starcluster.
# - The Colonists rearranged 12 planets and moons of a star so that they all orbit stably within the habitable zone of a star and then terraformed them.

::::::::::: Nowhere in the show do we see any hint of the capability to move planets.

::::::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 00:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::::: Or there were twleve habitable planets. It's not that far-fetched in light of Earth and Kobol both having humans. If you think that both did naturally. Which I do, since the Colonials had the concept of evolution. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::: > “Or there were twleve habitable planets.”

::::::::::::: You want something that cannot be. One cannot have twelve planets forming the habitable zone of a star. Even if one could, not all twelve would be habitable.

::::::::::::: > “It’s not that far-fetched in light of Earth and Kobol both having humans. If you think that both did naturally. Which I do, since the Colonials had the concept of evolution”

::::::::::::: > They could not both have evolved naturally. Biological evolution has 2 components:

# - Natural Selection
# - Random Mutation

::::::::::::: Natural selection is not random, but random selection is random. The solution-space is too large and the process to stochastic. One would not have humans and chickens arising on other worlds. ¿Does Australia have bison or kangaroos? Even with extreme convergent evolution like sharks and ichthyosaurs, they do not become the same species like Colonials and the humans on our Earth.

::::::::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 04:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::: "Let us suppose that the [[Angel]]s scooped up humans from Our Earth, took them to Cobol taught them to talk and ruled over them as the [[Lords of Cobol]] 160 thousand years ago. That makes sense." It goes without saying that BSG left people wanting more. One thing I would like to know more about is who the Lords of Kobol were, what their relationship with the Angels/Messengers was, and who the jealous Lord that Elosha mentioned in "Kobol's Last Gleaming" was meant to be. Was he Iblis? Was he God? Was Iblis meant to be God? According to some text on the first season finale's page, RDM wanted Dirk Benedick to play Iblis and introduce himself to Baltar as God. Could this still happen? Did RDM change his mind and made God a "force of nature", or did Iblis/Jealous Lord EVOLVE into a force of nature? Is it that he (it?) doesn't like to be called God because he prefers to be called "Iblis"? Wasn't Iblis refered to as Lord in the original show? (Lord Iblis sounds right to me). Iblis as the one true God who orchestrated everything that happened to the Colonials and the Cylons... wouldn't that be a twist (just like Starbuck being a woman was a twist) on the original? Iblis goes from being Satan to being God... I HOPE that this is explored more deeply in Caprica... How could it NOT be given that it features a religious school, right? What else will those characters talk about if not Colonial theology and the Lords of Kobol (as well as the jealous Lord of Kobol). --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 00:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: I doubt that Ronald D. Moore will ever directly answer these questions. He will probably just frak up our minds even more.

:::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 00:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: There's a chance that RDM intended to answer these and other questions on BSG, but when the opportunity came to develop a spin off (Caprica) he could have made the choice to abandon these plots and focus on the survival aspect of the story instead and keep them to be developed later in Caprica. With characters like the teacher/nun who believes in the "one true God", locations like the Athena school (is is Athena? I forget), and the cult of religious believers that Zoe Graystone's boyfriend belongs to, there's considerable evidence to believe that these topics will be explored in the series, either as fully-developed plots or just casual conversation (i.e. dialogue spoken in a classroom, a conversation between this teacher/nun and maybe a younger Elosha in the school's quad)... It would stand to reason that given that Caprica seems to be more deeply rooted in the theology of BSG that it would explore these ideas, which might be why they stopped being an issue in BSG, which was more about finding Earth/a new world than in about discovering the "truth of God". --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 01:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::: I always figured that it is just another crazy cult. On our Earth, people blow themselves up in the name of the one true god all of the time. The one true cylon-god is nothing more than the one true god of the cult of the of true god.

::::::::: Both Joseph Adams and William Adama are atheists. Lee Adama seems indifferent to religion. I wonder whether this is nature or nurture.

:::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 04:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: It could be a result of their loosing their family in the explosion. It could be that Joseph decides that religion only results in hatred (it is religion that pushes Zoe's boyfriend into detonating the bomb). The question is in finding the link between the Cylon's worship of the one true God and the cult that Zoe's boyfriend belogns to. Why would Daniel Graystone instill religion into the Cylons? If not him, then who, how, and why? Is it Zoe's friend? Is it the teacher/nun? Is it Virtual Zoe? Why would any Graystone believe in the one true God whose followers caused the death of Zoe, Adama's sister and mother, and all those other people?... Speaking of Virtual Zoe, will she be connected to Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar? Is the one true God really a divine being (i.e. a Lord of Kobol), a "force of nature", or a man inside a space ship (a ship of lights, if you will) who uses Graystone's Cylon and Virtual echnologies to influence Colonial life (well, that might not track given that the messengers visited the 13th Colony 2000 years prior to the creation of the Cononial Cylons, but wouldn't it be cool if it did, heh?). --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::: The messengers saw Kobol and Earth as well as Caprica, so they can't be the product of Graystone technology. Right now, the best answer for the Centurions' monotheism is that they're Zoe's descendants. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== The Colonials were NOT "human" (in the modern sense) ==
I've restored the bit about the characters not being "human" in the modern sense of the term and that the series was fundamentally the saga of an alien race. If you actually listened to Dr. Cottle, he said the DNA of the early Earth humans is "compatible" to Colonial DNA. He didn't say it was exactly the same. Going by that, it's completely fair to conclude that the Colonials and early humans were NOT genetically identical. They simply had analogous DNA structures. We already know they had at least one physiological difference: the Colonials didn't have a universal blood donor type.

As for "our" connection with them; within the ''Battlestar Galactica'' universe, modern humans are NOT Colonials. We are a hybridization of Colonials AND the native humans. So the characters of ''Battlestar Galactica'' were indeed "aliens" and not "human" in the sense of what we consider human today. By the nature of them not evolving on Earth, they were most certainly extraterrestrial. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]]

: Extraterrestrial and alien have different meanings. The former simply means "not from Earth", the latter is a relative term for something the speaker has no relationship to. It is obvious that Colonials are extraterrestrial. They are not alien to us, just as the Cylons and the Earth natives are not.

: There's no evidence that they didn't have a universal blood donor type. The copy of Baltar's Lab Notes sold at the big auction shows that Hera's blood was unusual because it had no antigens whatsoever, not just ABO. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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Here are my problems with the paragraph:

1) The revelation that the Colonial "humans" evolved separately from Earth humans...

::Where is this demonstrated in the series? All we know for sure is that practically identical Colonials arrived on our Earth more than 150,000 years ago. We have absolutely no idea how they came to be on Kobol. Why are you so eager to jump to conclusions about totally separate evolution processes of practically identical races, especially with the huge uncertainty factor of the "God" entity taking an active part in everyone's life? I would be extremely careful - if the "God" entity is so powerful and capable of surviving over 150,000 years, it could have manipulated life on Kobol based on life on Earth. No need to ignore the scientific facts of evolution in that case. Therefore, I propose to stick to the facts, and not espouse anyone's theory of how the two groups evolved, either yours or mine. The Colonials arrived on Earth 150,000 years ago and they can mate with the local population. That's it.

2) ...means that fundamentally none of the so-called "human" characters of the series were actually human in the sense of what we consider human today. Instead, they were an outwardly indistinguishable from Homo sapiens extraterrestrial species with compatible DNA to Homo sapiens as a result of a parallel evolution.

::Again, no evidence for parallel evolution, which would be extremely unlikely. The facts are: Colonials came from Kobol as far as they know, although they don't know much about their early history.

3) The reimagined Battlestar Galactica was actually the saga of an alien race.

::No proof. In order to prove that it is an alien race, you have to prove that they evolved completely separately, despite all the physical similarities and an extremely influential "God" entity observing the events over hundreds of thousands of years and taking an active part in them.

It is extremely important to stick to verifiable facts on such shaky ground, with so much about the "God" entity remaining unknown. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

*[[Jane Espenson]] (one of BSG's writers and executive producers) has confirmed in an interview that Kobol was indeed the "original origin point for humanity" (i.e. Colonials) [http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html]. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 21:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

:I think this is likely the case, but unfortunately her wording is "I've always taken it to be Kobol." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]]

:Jane, Ron, any writer or producer. If you see this, could you please clear things up for us? --- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 21:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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As noted, she assumed it to be Kobol. If you quote her exactly, I don't mind, but that does not mean that Ron Moore shares the opinion absolutely, without possibility of change, or that any other writers do. Remember how fluid and unpredictable BSG writing tends to be? She also indicated in another interview that the Angels may be aliens, which is something that Ron Moore wasn't specific about; they really prefer to leave a lot of this to our interpretation. Again, quoting her on that is fine, but it should not be stated as undisputable fact. If you include the source, the reader will know that the statement does not have the same value as an onscreen demonstration, and that there are alternative explanations as well. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 21:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Daybreak, Part II/Archive 1

2009-05-05T21:41:33Z

Davidkevin: /* Delphi */

== Move ==
Why move this? The way I understand this, this is still episode 20, but it will be lengthened to actually be 3 episodes long. So in a away there are 21/22 episodes even, and not 19. However, [http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html This] says that the season will be 11 hours and not 12, but that doesn't mean that we need to get rid of episode 19 already. Especially given that the finale will probably air in at least 2 parts. So it makes some sense to have separate episodes guides for two airings. By production numbers this would be one episode, but split apart by airdate numbers. Maybe we should wait for some further clarification. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:It could be split up into 3 parts in reruns. I think it would be easier to start with a single article and then split as necessary after it airs. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::If Sci Fi is gonna pull a Miniseries and air this thing in two parts, we should pull a Miniseries too and have [[Miniseries, Night 1|separate]] [[Miniseries, Night 2|articles]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Which we can do after we know where the break point is. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

There's no reason to split the article at this time. We won't know how things will be aired until they're actually aired. All we know for now is that the finale's been extended... that's it. Creating two or three sections based on something we have absolutely very little information on is just... ill-advised. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:The proposal wasn't a split, but a merge with 419 I think (the article exists. It just isn't linked to, because it's an empty skeleton). But the result is the same. The way I understand it, 419+420 will be the finale then, with both episodes running 3 hours together (incl. ads I guess). We'll see. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, ok. Sounded like it would be a split, with at least one additional article, seeing as each article would cover an hour. Anyway, we don't have enough information to be certain; it's still really all up in the air, and they have now until doomsday to figure out how to release the thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
''Daybreak, Part 2'' (and ''Part 3'') [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Can we PLEASE change the title of the page to Part II & Part III -- It is being sold on iTunes, Amazon, etc. and two completely different episodes and this actually screwed me up immensely because I ended up reading spoilers for Part 3 before I started watching it. Yes, this is how it aired, but it is not how it is being archived. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 13:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Analysis==
"Ronald D. Moore appears in a cameo as the man holding a National Geographic magazine in New York City. "

I think there is much more to it. Ronald D. Moore is appearing as himself reading that article because his knowledge of "Eve" influenced the series. In other words, the series is a result of the events depicted in the series. With that scene, Battlestar Galactica becomes part of Battlestar Galactica.

:This is impossibel since as of 2009 mitochondrial Eve's remains haven't been found yet, this scene is set in the future, after the series ended.
--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 20:02, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::Checkout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve. First articals apearred in 2003 ;)

It's not the same thing: we've known about mitochondrial Eve since before the series started, but her actual remains have not been found, there were never any bones of her found up to this day.
It's possible that Moore knowing about Eve's existence may have influenced the show, but he has never read an NGC article about the finding of her remains, simply because those remains haven't been found and thus never made their way into an NGC article.
--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 20:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Notes==

I recognised it immediately when watching the episode (and it's already on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daybreak_(Battlestar_Galactica)#Outside_references ), the "Kodiak" spacecraft from Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun can be seen among the fleet during this episode.

==(Un)answered questions)==

The following Ron Moore interview clears up some misunderstandings about the show: http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html

1) Kara Thrace's father was NOT the lost cylon Daniel.

2) The Missiles Racetrack's Raptor (accidentally) fires at the cylon colony were nukes that severely damaged the colony and made it fall from its stable orbit into the singularity (black hole) so the colony has been utterly destroyed.

3) The Earth which is discovered in this episode is not the same planet that was discovered in "Revelations." The Earth of "Revelations" was not the planet we now live on, but our Earth was named after it.

There are still a bunch of unanswered questions:

1) What is the nature of the divine power (although this was probably intentionally left unanswered.)

2) Who were the Lords of Kobol and what happened to that world?

3) How did the colonials get from Kobol to the colonies and if they were technologically advanced, how did they loose all knowledge of Kobol, save for some religious texts?

4) What happened to those who nuked the old Earth 2000 years ago, some of these victors would have survived, but they re never seen or heard from.

5) Why didn't Cavil and his cylons try to re-invent resurrection themselves as the technology wasn't that far ahead of them (it was re-invented by the final five on old-Earth in a civilization that hadn't even invented jump drives.)

6) How could the resurrection hub control all resurrection ships while there was never any mention of FTL-communication on the show and why wasn't the resurrection hub integrated into the colony rather than floating around in deep space, vulnerable and guarded by only 2 baseships.

7) Was the colony really the place where all cylons lived, was their civilization so small (and clearly no match for the colonial military before the holocaust) and are there no baseships left out there that still have cylons aboard who want to exact their revenge on humanity? They may die out like the article suggests, but there's nothing stopping them from taking Earth with them (provided they find it within their lifetime.)

8) What happened to the other rebel cylons? Was it just the 3 baseships that rebelled, and if not, where are the other 2's, 6's and 8's?

9) How did Lee get everyone to agree to give up technology (even medical)?

10) Had it not made more sense to build new cities on Earth and rebuild the advanced colonial civilization, when everyone understood how important equal treatment of cylons and humans is, instead of letting Earth's humans build their own civilization thousands of years later, humans who are likely to make the same old mistakes with artificial intelligence and repeat the cycle?

11) How come no intelligent alien life has ever been encountered by colonials or cylons in their histories, but when it finally happens these aliens are identical to humans, who somehow evolved separately from the Kobol humans? Somehow this amazing coincidence being an "act of God" seems like a rather unsatisfactory answer.

12) Since all the fleet's decisions after the Ellen's reapperarance have been about breaking the cycle, is Lee afraid that by having superior technology on earth the cylons and colonials would "enslave" the native population, creating yet another cycle?

-- [[User:Gully|Gully]] 21:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

:: He doesn't actually say that about Kara. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right, I've edited my post. -- [[User:Gully|Gully]] 21:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

: I'd still like to know the origin of Kara's pristine Viper from her resurrection or how she died going into a gas giant with her corpse resting on a planet light-years away. And what the deal is with the Centurions from "Razor" and the Hybrid they deified. And while I understand his prophesy, I'd like to know why the old Hybrid didn't want Kara to lead a new civilisation to Earth. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 02:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:: Her being sent back with a new viper was supposed to be an act of the divine power. I think the Razor centurions were explained as regular mutineers, they saw the first hybrid as some kind of prophet because of the way it talked and wanted to protect it from being scrapped. Seeing as how Kara was largely responsible for the end of Cylon civilization, except the few centurions that are still left, this explains why '''CYLON''" hybrids call her the harbinger of death (it was never stated she was the harbinger of death for humanity.) -- [[User:Gully|Gully]] 20:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Gully, as for question four the Thirteenth Tribe's Earth got nuked by their Centurions. From the surface, not from space. M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). The Final Five secretly built a ship and rebuilt resurrection (Which the 13th Tribe hadn't needed since first achieving reproduction on Kobol). That was how they escaped. -- [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 04:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

: Alright, but being centurions the radiation wouldn't really hurt them, they could easily have created their own civilization after the dust settled (a bit like the machines in the "Terminator".) -- [[User:Gully|Gully]] 15:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:: Machines can be disabled by radiation, and the impacts themselves would have destroyed the Centurions. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

From the article: “Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?” answer: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen_(film) yes]. -- [[User:LaloMartins|LaloMartins]] 12:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Regarding point six, in [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]], it was stated that, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] jumps, it transmits its' new location to the [[Hybrid]]s, so FTL communication technology definitely exists. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Adding a question on, the CGI Raptor launched ''16'' missiles, why were only 8 shown after the launch scene?--[[User:CHr0n0sPh3r3|CHr0n0sPh3r3]] 06:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

==== What Precisely Killed [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] and [[Hamish McCall|Skulls]]? ====

The Marines in the rear of the cabin were killed by explosive decompression and vacuum exposure, but Racetrack and Skulls were in sealed pressure suits. I don't recall seeing suit damage in that quick shot of Margaret's hand falling on the missile-launch button. Did the one penetrating rock cause invisible crushing injuries to both of them? It didn't look big enough to hit both of them square on. -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 08:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:Skulls whas hit in his face or chest by the rock and there was a small hole in Racetrack's helmet when her hand fell on the button.--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 00:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

==== [[Delphi]] ====

In the episode "[[Downloaded]]" the cylons were rebuilding the Caprican city of [[Delphi]] and living in it. Was this effort completely abandoned when the Cylons decided to occupy [[New Caprica]]? Or has the effort to recover [[Caprica_(RDM)|Caprica]] continued all this time and is it still occupied? Are there still a substantial number of human-Cylons living on Caprica? Will it become like first Earth before their holocaust, an entirely Cylon-populated society? Are any humans stragglers left alive on either Caprica or New Caprica? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 09:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

: They likely did leave the colonies after [[Downloaded]], there may still be some baseships out there, but the cylons on them are aging and cannot procreate. Even if they found Earth within their lifetimes a handful of basestars probably don't have enough nukes to obliterate the Earth's surface, that is assuming they'll actually know humans are living on Earth: it's pretty hard to find a stone age culture or neolithic society from space, even when you're actively looking for them (sure the colonials found one tribe, but in order to kill all humans with a limited number of nukes you'd have to know the positions of every tribe on Earth.)
There may be human survivors left on the colonies but it's unlikely: sure, they may have survived the nukes and the radiation, but the cylons actively hunted them down, probably to populations too small to repopulate the planets.--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 00:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

==== Lost Viper ====

During the "back-breaking" of ''Galactica'' a Viper falls out of the bow of the port flightpod and floated downward relative to the ship, which was horizontal relative to the moon below. Has RDM mentioned what happened to it? Was it recovered to the ship, was it left adrift in Solar orbit (where it theoretically could still be), or did it crash onto the Moon? (Which would leave wreckage which could be discovered in the present or future.) -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 21:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

==== Birch trees ====

(A notation rather than a question.) Birch trees don't grow and never grew in Africa, yet we clearly see them in /B/r/i/t/i/s/h/ /C/o/l/u/m/b/i/a/ Africa at the Colonial landing site. -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 21:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Angels Make Life In This Galaxy Boringly Homogenous. ==

I slept on this, but my original impression after watching Daybreak Park # 2 is that these Angels make things boring:

They create pidgins, dogs, cats, foxes, people, oranges, tuna, et cetera. I would not be surprised if the Angels dropped a big rock on the dinosaurs just so they can have a clean slate for creating rats.

Once they create people, they make the people invent pianos, worship Zeus, Yahweh, Thor, et cetera. They make the people play “All Along The Watchtower”. They see to it that the people create Cylons.

We are not descended from apes, but from # 8s — a little wordplay because 8 and ape sound similar. the mitochondrial DNA of the # 8s is so similar to that of Homo '' neanderthalensis '' that we apparently have a common ancestor, Homo '' heidelbergensis '' half a million years ago even though that is impossible.

If we explore the Galaxy, will only find humans and cylons. ¿What is the point? ¿Why bother exploring?

Arthur C. Clarke in '' 2001 '' had a similar idea of lonely aliens helping intelligent life evolve, but the beings did not care about the final form. In other words, diversity is the rule in '' 2001. ''

We still do not know the nature of these Angels other than that Starbuck seems to be one of them

I do not know how this fits into the article, but it fits into the article somehow. I figure that I should but this on the talkpages for '' Virtual Beings '' and '' Daybreak # 2. ''

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From Act 10 section of article: "(This is in the year 1987 AD.)" How can it be 1987 when the flat panel TV clearly showed MSNBC logo at the bottom? MSNBC was created in 1996.--[[User:Steven512|Steven512]] 14:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Yes, the robots you see in this scene were also developed after 1987 and as far as I know the remains of mitochondrial Eve have never been found.
In 1987 it was discovered that there had been a mitochondrial Eve, this was based on DNA-research among modern humans, her actual remains have not been found to this day so the scene takes place in the near future (it could even be tomorrow), not in 1987!
--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 15:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Hera's Mate = Boxey? ==

From the notes section

''On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and and the male being say 60 to take an extreme, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and slightly older in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself an significantly more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is harder than with human-human pairings making any pool of those pairing while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, still quite small number compared to pure human offspring. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist.''

Boxey could be Hera's mate. It would make sense.

Boxey as Y-chromosomal Adam? Or would that be "Adama"? heh--[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 15:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

: The chromosomal Adam live tens of thousands of years after the Mitochondrial Eve.

: [[User:Walabio|Walabio]] 17:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::Walabio is right and why would it be more likely for Hera to end up with Boxey instead of with one of the other hundreds of children from the fleet?
--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 18:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::The ''Y-chromosomal Adam'' reference was to make the pun based on Boxey being Apollo's adopted son in TOS :). As for why it would make sense, it be for no other reason that it would give the RDM version of the character some (belated) importance, which he lacked through the run of the show. Why have her end up with some random kid from the fleet than have her end up with a character who had some level of development? Plus, look at it this way, the original intent according to some references on this site say that the plan was to make Boxey, Tyrol, and Sharon (Boomer) a makeshift family. Having him end up with Hera accomplishes part of that intent as he'd be related to one version of Sharon (Athena)--[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 18:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It is a moot point. He had NO relevant to BSG any more since they dropped him as a character. If they didn't drop him as a character I think the perfect end would had been making him that guy that was killed in the mutiny, you know the one that acted as a runner between CIC and some damaged area of the ship to get a damage report for Adama at the near the beginning of the mutiny? He was then later killed by Gaeta's trigger happy Marines when he pushed Adama to the deck, saving his life. That would had been a good way for Boxey to go. He would had been the right age (17) and would had gave his character an ultimate purpose, to save Adama when the time came.
::: Of course it is possible for Boxey and Hera to had gotten together. He would had been 14 years old when Hera was born but with Hera say 20 years old Boxey would had been 34, a reasonable age difference allowable in both our and Colonial Society. And further it would had been another of the shows many ironies and "what goes around, comes around" themes: Boxey, who was taken in by Boomer, an Eight as a quasi foster son, later marries the daughter of Athena, an Eight, who was stolen and then given back by Boomer who was then killed Athena. Imagine all the physiological turmoil that could case Boxey. This show thrived on that sort of thing. LOL [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 23:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Number Three ==

Couldn't they have sent a Raptor or an FTL-capable ship to find Number Three and bring her to the New Earth with them? It would have been the humane thing to do. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 15:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

: She was left on a dead-to-humans world, where the only plant life we saw were grasses or other non-edibles, with a background radiation count above the safe level beyond short exposure: even the water was contaminated. She probably died within a few weeks of being left behind. -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 12:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Good point. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 14:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It was established by Athena in [[The Passage]] that Cylons are far more resistant to radiation than humans are. In fact they bombed [[Caprica]] and the other Colonies with high yield nuclear weapons '''outside''' the cities so they could kill the humans but keep the buildings and infrastructure intact. We saw them settling in [[Caprica City]] in "[[Downloaded]]" even reopening the coffee shops, so radiation is of no problem to them (except for the rare special kind of Nebula radiation at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]) So it is possible for [[D'Anna Biers]] to survive the radiation of Earth One and even drink the rain water. Food on the other hand would be a problem and I saw no evidence of surviving animal life, and this all assumes that she wanted to survive, which I don't think she would due to staying on the radioactive rock in the first place. Still, it would had been a nice thing to try to find her. Maybe a miracle would had happened LOL. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 00:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== "No Further Significant Revelations..."==

I think this statement in the advisory tag is premature. There's still "The Plan", as well as, in theory, the Caprica series, both of which might provide further revelations with regards to Daybreak and the series itself. Certainly The Plan, anyway. Not to mention the presumed deleted scenes that will be on the DVD and there's a rumor Daybreak will be extended for the DVD as well. There's still a chance for some issues to be resolved. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 13:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:That's interesting. I don't expect The Plan to reveal much of anything about what Kara became or who the Virtual beings were, but Caprica might explore it given the establishment that they appear at times when the cycle of time (machine on human violence) begins. Caprica might provide the answers to the lingering questions if for nothing more than to give fans of BSG a reason to watch. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 14:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

::Let's hope so, though I don't expect they will reveal much more about the divine powers or the angels, ever. It would take away the mystery and the sense that there is something bigger than us (humans and cylons), now we are left wondering if the divine power is a God, or just a very advanced race (maybe the perpetrators (or their descendents) of the first holocaust during the first cycle are feeling guilty) and I think that's how Ron Moore intended it to be. However, ''Caprica'' may reveal more about colonial history: what happened to Kobol, how did humans move from Kobol to the colonies, why was that history almost completely forgotten (was there a colonial dark age) and who or what were the Lords of Kobol? --[[User:Gully|Gully]] 15:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I'm sure that many people would agree, or at least theorize, that the virtual beings are Moore's version of the beings of light from the Ship of Lights, especially considering what happened to Kara, which I've seen (here or elsewhere, I forget) compared to what happened to the Starbuck from the original series on the last episode of Galactica 80. I think that the reason why Moore must have decided to leave things vague is that he didn't want to "cheapen it" by introducing something like the Ship of Lights into his show, which was more realistic than the original version. Now that I think about it, when Baltar tells Six that "it" doesn't like to be called God, it could be that "it" is the Ship of Lights or whatever version of it that exist in this version of the story. It would be cool if there was more exploration of this in Caprica, as well as further exploration of the "jealous God" from Kobol (which I'm sure we'll hear more of due to this headmistress in Caprica who doesn't believe in the Lords of Kobol) and all the other lingering questions from the show. In fact, given that religion is an important aspect of Caprica as it was in BSG (RDM) I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more of this down the line. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 17:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Hi, guys. Here's my two cents, since I'm the Senior Chief that added the special notice. "No further significant revelations" means "the story is generally over." BSG isn't Star Trek, guys. RDM has stated that there are some elements of the story that he wouldn't resolve, but that he would resolve the important stuff. Is that etched in stone somewhere? No. I'm sure ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' may open a few new questions. But until that series debuts, what we have is what we have. Battlestar Wiki allows some speculation because we're talking about a work of fiction. But to speculate further when no further answers are likely and people are making what's otherwise original research--that's [[BW:FANW|fanwanking]], and it's not allowed on Battlestar Wiki. For the purposes of this episode summary because its so long (and must be), we have to keep focus and not overload the article. Episode summaries are the only articles where questions can be asked (provided they don't go out of control) but many questions will not be answered. As soon as the noise dies down we can move some pressing questions to [[BW:OC|our special Q&A page answered by BSG co-producer Bradley Thompson]]. In my opinion, the nature of the Virtual Beings and Kara have been answered as far as RDM wanted to do. They are beings of divine source--and folks, religion is one thing that RDM loved to keep close to his chest to add to the BSG mystique. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::: I'm not saying that The Plan is going to answer all the unanswered questions, etc. However The Plan has been acknowledged as the coda for this series, and just as important to it as Razor was. However the special notice as I saw it wasn't just in reference to Daybreak, but to the Wiki in general, and that's where I think it's premature. In terms of Daybreak itself, I agree that any additional revelations in The Plan will likely be minor and there are unlikely to be any in Caprica at all relating to that particular episode. But I think questions that come to mind are still worth asking with regards to characters that could be addressed in The Plan. And unless someone has already seen The Plan, or RDM has explicitly stated otherwise, we can't really predict which characters may or may not be addressed. Something that might be interesting once The Plan airs and is analysed is to go through the episode articles and compile the outstanding questions that the series has left unanswered. I think there will be fewer than some think, with the remainder being just enough to put this series into the same league as "The Prisoner" in that people will still be arguing over "what does it mean" 40 years from now. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 02:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== How did the fleet reach Earth 2 / New Earth? ==
As far as I understood it before Galactica departed for the Colony they agreed to a rendezvous location with the fleet. But when jumping away from the colony Starbuck punched in the numbers of the song and Galactica jumped for its last time. But when it reappeared over New Earth the fleet also jumped right in. How did they get the coordinates (a raptor jumping to the rendezvous location?)? But how did they get them so fast? [[User:DJ Doena|DJ Doena]] 14:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:Galactica still had a few raptors left (we saw 7 of them landed on Earth) and 12 hours passed between the shot of Galactica jumping near the Moon and the rest of the fleet showing up, nothing fishy going on there. --[[User:Gully|Gully]] 15:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

::The key here was time pressure. Someone had the coordinates, but with the chaos of getting sucked into a black hole, no one could give them to Kara in time before ''Galactica's'' final jump. When all was stable, someone remembered/recalled the Fleet's coordinates, sent a Raptor, and all was good. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:You missed the letters onscreen spelling "Twelve Hours Later". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

== Consolidation change ==

Hey everyone! I just wanted to take a moment to explain the format and consolidation change for Act I. This change is a test for updating the event summary because:

*Each detail does not require a bullet.
*Having bullets for every event make it look redundant.

*However, having bullets between major events makes the summary flow a little better. This was the approach I used when summarizing [[Daybreak, Part I]]. It gives each scene a sense of distinction, like this example.

Are there any other opinions regarding this proposed change? If it's OK, I can start work on the other acts. -- [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 20:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:Given the massive data, it's okay to condense a few points. But keep it to maybe three or four lines condensed. Any larger and it's hard to follow. Try to keep it looking like the other episode guides as much as possible for consistency. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for the working guideline. As of this writing, Act I & II are done, and starting on the rest. Hope you guys like it! -- [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 07:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

==The robot at the end==
I corrected an addition in Story Notes that suggested the female robot at the very end is the one that was unveiled only a few days before the broadcast. That would have been very cool, but it's actually the "Actroid" which was unveiled 4 years ago. Interestingly I found Actroid, a 4-year-old technology, to be more lifelike than the one unveiled last week... [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 02:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

==The model on the cover of "Sports Limited"==
Here's a challenge for those who watched this on HD sets... I've heard it suggested that the model on the cover of "Sports Limited" (the SI-like magazine seen on the newsstand) might actually be Tricia Helfer. I can't tell at all on the computer-screen I'm using, but it might be a neat bit of trivia (not to mention it would open a line of speculation as to whether the Sixes have survived to the present day) if it's true. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

== Questions Section ==

I can never be more blunt than I tried to be before on these last two guides. The questions sections follow strict rules [[Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions/Episode_Guides#Questions_Section]] is the policy on this section. I am going to again clear out the questions section with the bad stuff. Users who do not follow our polices on the [[BW:SAC]] will be warned and if after being warned by doing it again, will be banned. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

== Lie-dector test "question" ==

In the Questions section, somebody asked:'' "During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon?"''

This was a control question in order to get a baseline from which to compare the real questions for deception. Such as if a polygraph-operator were to ask "Are you a dinosaur?" This fact was made immediately clear in the dialogue. This was in no way left unclear. It's not a mystery. It's not even a debate.

I've deleted it.

== What year is it "question" ==

Another rediculous addition to the Questions section: ''"What year is it on Earth during the final scene?"''

That too was answered by the title: "150,000 Years Later". Go back 150,000 years from 2009 AD, and you have the answer: 148000 B.C.E.

I've deleted the question.

== Regarding my edits to Questions Section ==

I've removed these three questions:

* Why so many zeros in the Model 0005?
* Does either Battlestar Galactica TV series exist in some form on the new Earth?
* Who or what is God exactly?

The first two are completely and utterly ridiculous and do not have any merit as questions. They will never be answered, and it's simply beneath the scope of what questions should be in that section in the first place.

The third question has been pretty much answered in the series by Baltar, who is essentially the mouthpiece of the writers coda on that subject. In the universe of BSG, God is a force of nature who doesn't like the name "God." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Galactica breaking her back ==

Just noticed, Galactica made her final jump with her flight pods out, maybe thats what caused the damage? I mean the extra forces exerted on the ship because of the higher amount of ship to effect. It makes sense that Galactica jumping without her pods retracted would place extraordinary amount of stress on the ship. Every other time even when dropping through the atmosphere at New Caprica the Galactica always had her pods retracted fro a jump.
--[[User:CHr0n0sPh3r3|CHr0n0sPh3r3]] 08:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

:That could very well have been a contributing factor, but there are many other factors in play, too, namely
:*her age,
:*compromises made during construction,
:*accumulated stresses and fractures from past battle damage and the sheer number of jumps,
:*lack of proper dock repair and maintenance,
:*her last sustained pounding at close-range, and ramming into the Colony.
:And consider that Adama and Tigh were told that she only had a few more jumps in her before she suffers structural damage. The old girl was already falling apart.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 13:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I remember that one of the specialists told Adama that Galactica had 5 jumps left max, but nevermind it I just took notice of it and wanted to see what everyone else thought of it. EDIT: Also noticed that Glactica's flight pods went up and down of their own accord after the jump, maybe thats why they retract the pods? I think the Mercuries could non-retract jump because of the way their support struts are placed. By the looks of it the movement of the pods was absolutely massive and that kind of stress would most certainly break Galactica's back no matter what sort of structural damage she had before. --[[User:CHr0n0sPh3r3|CHr0n0sPh3r3]] 07:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:A suspension bridge's cables snap, and the road buckles. Overwhelming stresses on the road deform it, and the cables snap. A similar arguement can be made for the flight pods. There could have been torque forces on the pods, but the loss of lateral supports could have affected the ship's rigidity that caused the body to flex, which could also cause the flight pods to sway, too.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 07:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==Cylon Longevity==

According to [[No Exit]], Ellen and the others created Cavil in the image of her father, so it stands to reason that, 40 years prior to the fall of the colonies, he was already a man in his 70'(s?) and in fact had not aged in those four decades. It can be assumed that the same holds true for the other six humanoid cylons, all of which were considerably younger than him.

The point here is, if humaoid Cylons don't age then the surviving Cylons who didn't make it to Earth wouldn't have died out as it has been speculated, be it from old age or lack of mates to reproduce with. Their longevity could surpass human longevity and they could be alive at the end of the series.

Furthermore there's the issue of boxing. They could have boxed themselves as a form of suspended animation to ensure their survival and programmed Guardian Centurions to watch over them.

All in all, there are many number of ways in which the humanoid Cylons that didn't make it to Earth could have survived. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 20:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit: Now that I think about it, what about the Cylons who did make it to Earth? If they don't age, how did they die out? --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 00:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

: Perhaps aging was only a non-issue when they had resurrection tech. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

::You mean, they did age but then transfered their conciousness to younger bodies? That's possible. What about the option to box their conciousness? They could still survive that way (sure, their bodies might die out without some form of suspended animation given that they are biological, but their conciousness could survive as 1s and 0s that could be downloaded into new bodies 150,000 years later). --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 20:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

== Removed questions ==

I've removed the following questions:
* Who were/are the Lords of Kobol?
** Good question, but not one with any connection to this episode.
* What year is the present day?
** I'm not sure what this is asking. We are shown that the Colonial's present is 150 000 years before our own.
* Who is the dying leader? Laura Roslin? Galactica? Starbuck?
** The narrative gives us many explicit statements that it is Roslin, and she fits the role perfectly, making it unnecessary to try and jam someone else into the position. Doing so without clear indications from the show is speculation.
* What’s the deal with Kara Thrace?
** She was sent back by "God" as an angel to guide the people to the new Earth. Covered fairly conclusively, if not explicitly.
* What is the true nature of the Head People?
** They were angels, as was stated many times.
* Who or what is guiding events?
** Something akin to "God", though it doesn't like to be called that. I think this is covered sufficiently in the earlier question about why "God" is guiding events.
* Is Virtual Baltar really the archangel Gabriel? If not, is Virtual Leobon? (Assuming they're not actually the same being, that is.)
** Theory without basis in the show.
--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 23:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

== Parallel evolution ==

It is implausible scientifically that Earth humans and Colonials just happened to evolve in parallel without outside influence (possibly from the head beings). Therefore, I wouldn't state it as fact that they're alien to each other -- there is no support for that in the show. The facts are that they can mate and that the characters are surprised about humans existing on Earth, but I wouldn't go as far as drawing conclusions about the origins of Colonials and humans. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

:It could be that in the Galactica universe humans are the standard of life across the universe, which is why they never encountered other life forms during their travels. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 14:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:And yet no one remarks about the fact that New Caprica and the Algae planet's trees look like Earth trees. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:: I covered this on this very talkpage [[#The_Angels_Make_Life_In_This_Galaxy_Boringly_Homogenous. | here. ]] Basically, the [[Angel]]s guide evolution subtly by such means as dropping huge asteroids on the dinosaurs so that they can create dodos in their place. Because of these [[Angel]]s life is the same everywhere right down to identical pianofortes playing [[the Music | All Along The Watchtower. ]]

:: [[User:Walabio|Walabio]] 18:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Most importantly, don't forget the suits and ties, which were reinvented by accident or through the collective unconscious. Back to the topic, though - all I'm saying is that the fact that Earth humans are primitive in that era does not necessarily imply that the Colonials evolved totally independently on Kobol and are therefore aliens, as the note in the article stated. No need to make such bold conclusions for the sake of "You know what that actualy means?"-type trivia; we know the visible facts, and they should be reported as such, and we know there is a LOT that we don't know about the head beings, which opens up any number of possibilities for future storytelling. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 20:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

::::"And yet no one remarks about the fact that New Caprica and the Algae planet's trees look like Earth trees" The Algae planet could have been terraformed by the 13th Tribe before they reached Earth (maybe they intended to settle there but then learned of the supernova and changed their minds, but not after they had terraformed the planet and built the temple). New Caprica had trees? Wasn't it mostly a desert? --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 20:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

::::: I shall address the remarks of Graf Iblis, None Of Your Business, and Man of the Atom together:

::::: What Graf Iblis says could make sense:

::::: Let us suppose that the [[Angel]]s scooped up humans from Our Earth, took them to Cobol taught them to talk and ruled over them as the [[Lords of Cobol]] 160 thousand years ago. That makes sense.

::::: About the trees on New Caprica, trees on our Earth come in 3 shapes:

* - Cone-Shaped

* - Mushroom-Shaped

* - Palm-Tree-Shaped

::::: For all 3 shapes one can find both angiosperms and gymnosperms. For the Palm-Tree-shaped we even have some ferns too. Convergent evolution like sharks and ichthyosaurs probably can explain the trees looking alike.

::::: [[User:Walabio|Walabio]] 23:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::: If the same tree species, and foxes, and chickens, and so on, can evolve on different planets without terraforming, humans aren't a stretch. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::: But the trees need not be the same species on New Caprica.. Indeed, they may have only a superficial resemblance to each other. Despite looking externally similar ichthyosaurs and sharks are very different. For foxes, pidgins, humans, et cetera to be on both Cobol and our Earth, the [[Angel]]s would have to stear biological evolution on both planets or scooped up these organisms on our Earth where we know for a fact they evolved and taken them to Cobol.

::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 00:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: And the Twelve Colonies, if humans didn't bring them from Kobol (and I doubt they did). -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::: It was mine understanding that the Colonists brought life from Cobol and terraformed the 12 planets orbiting a few stars in an open star-cluster.

::::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 04:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::: No one ever said this. Was it in the role-playing game? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::: No. It just 1 of only 2 ideas making sense:

# - The Colonists terraformed several planets orbiting several stars in an open starcluster.
# - The Colonists rearranged 12 planets and moons of a star so that they all orbit stably within the habitable zone of a star and then terraformed them.

::::::::::: Nowhere in the show do we see any hint of the capability to move planets.

::::::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 00:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::::: Or there were twleve habitable planets. It's not that far-fetched in light of Earth and Kobol both having humans. If you think that both did naturally. Which I do, since the Colonials had the concept of evolution. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::: > “Or there were twleve habitable planets.”

::::::::::::: You want something that cannot be. One cannot have twelve planets forming the habitable zone of a star. Even if one could, not all twelve would be habitable.

::::::::::::: > “It’s not that far-fetched in light of Earth and Kobol both having humans. If you think that both did naturally. Which I do, since the Colonials had the concept of evolution”

::::::::::::: > They could not both have evolved naturally. Biological evolution has 2 components:

# - Natural Selection
# - Random Mutation

::::::::::::: Natural selection is not random, but random selection is random. The solution-space is too large and the process to stochastic. One would not have humans and chickens arising on other worlds. ¿Does Australia have bison or kangaroos? Even with extreme convergent evolution like sharks and ichthyosaurs, they do not become the same species like Colonials and the humans on our Earth.

::::::::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 04:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::: "Let us suppose that the [[Angel]]s scooped up humans from Our Earth, took them to Cobol taught them to talk and ruled over them as the [[Lords of Cobol]] 160 thousand years ago. That makes sense." It goes without saying that BSG left people wanting more. One thing I would like to know more about is who the Lords of Kobol were, what their relationship with the Angels/Messengers was, and who the jealous Lord that Elosha mentioned in "Kobol's Last Gleaming" was meant to be. Was he Iblis? Was he God? Was Iblis meant to be God? According to some text on the first season finale's page, RDM wanted Dirk Benedick to play Iblis and introduce himself to Baltar as God. Could this still happen? Did RDM change his mind and made God a "force of nature", or did Iblis/Jealous Lord EVOLVE into a force of nature? Is it that he (it?) doesn't like to be called God because he prefers to be called "Iblis"? Wasn't Iblis refered to as Lord in the original show? (Lord Iblis sounds right to me). Iblis as the one true God who orchestrated everything that happened to the Colonials and the Cylons... wouldn't that be a twist (just like Starbuck being a woman was a twist) on the original? Iblis goes from being Satan to being God... I HOPE that this is explored more deeply in Caprica... How could it NOT be given that it features a religious school, right? What else will those characters talk about if not Colonial theology and the Lords of Kobol (as well as the jealous Lord of Kobol). --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 00:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: I doubt that Ronald D. Moore will ever directly answer these questions. He will probably just frak up our minds even more.

:::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 00:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: There's a chance that RDM intended to answer these and other questions on BSG, but when the opportunity came to develop a spin off (Caprica) he could have made the choice to abandon these plots and focus on the survival aspect of the story instead and keep them to be developed later in Caprica. With characters like the teacher/nun who believes in the "one true God", locations like the Athena school (is is Athena? I forget), and the cult of religious believers that Zoe Graystone's boyfriend belongs to, there's considerable evidence to believe that these topics will be explored in the series, either as fully-developed plots or just casual conversation (i.e. dialogue spoken in a classroom, a conversation between this teacher/nun and maybe a younger Elosha in the school's quad)... It would stand to reason that given that Caprica seems to be more deeply rooted in the theology of BSG that it would explore these ideas, which might be why they stopped being an issue in BSG, which was more about finding Earth/a new world than in about discovering the "truth of God". --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 01:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::: I always figured that it is just another crazy cult. On our Earth, people blow themselves up in the name of the one true god all of the time. The one true cylon-god is nothing more than the one true god of the cult of the of true god.

::::::::: Both Joseph Adams and William Adama are atheists. Lee Adama seems indifferent to religion. I wonder whether this is nature or nurture.

:::::::: [[User:Walabio|— “⸘Ŭalabio‽”]] 04:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: It could be a result of their loosing their family in the explosion. It could be that Joseph decides that religion only results in hatred (it is religion that pushes Zoe's boyfriend into detonating the bomb). The question is in finding the link between the Cylon's worship of the one true God and the cult that Zoe's boyfriend belogns to. Why would Daniel Graystone instill religion into the Cylons? If not him, then who, how, and why? Is it Zoe's friend? Is it the teacher/nun? Is it Virtual Zoe? Why would any Graystone believe in the one true God whose followers caused the death of Zoe, Adama's sister and mother, and all those other people?... Speaking of Virtual Zoe, will she be connected to Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar? Is the one true God really a divine being (i.e. a Lord of Kobol), a "force of nature", or a man inside a space ship (a ship of lights, if you will) who uses Graystone's Cylon and Virtual echnologies to influence Colonial life (well, that might not track given that the messengers visited the 13th Colony 2000 years prior to the creation of the Cononial Cylons, but wouldn't it be cool if it did, heh?). --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::::: The messengers saw Kobol and Earth as well as Caprica, so they can't be the product of Graystone technology. Right now, the best answer for the Centurions' monotheism is that they're Zoe's descendants. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== The Colonials were NOT "human" (in the modern sense) ==
I've restored the bit about the characters not being "human" in the modern sense of the term and that the series was fundamentally the saga of an alien race. If you actually listened to Dr. Cottle, he said the DNA of the early Earth humans is "compatible" to Colonial DNA. He didn't say it was exactly the same. Going by that, it's completely fair to conclude that the Colonials and early humans were NOT genetically identical. They simply had analogous DNA structures. We already know they had at least one physiological difference: the Colonials didn't have a universal blood donor type.

As for "our" connection with them; within the ''Battlestar Galactica'' universe, modern humans are NOT Colonials. We are a hybridization of Colonials AND the native humans. So the characters of ''Battlestar Galactica'' were indeed "aliens" and not "human" in the sense of what we consider human today. By the nature of them not evolving on Earth, they were most certainly extraterrestrial. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]]

: Extraterrestrial and alien have different meanings. The former simply means "not from Earth", the latter is a relative term for something the speaker has no relationship to. It is obvious that Colonials are extraterrestrial. They are not alien to us, just as the Cylons and the Earth natives are not.

: There's no evidence that they didn't have a universal blood donor type. The copy of Baltar's Lab Notes sold at the big auction shows that Hera's blood was unusual because it had no antigens whatsoever, not just ABO. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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Here are my problems with the paragraph:

1) The revelation that the Colonial "humans" evolved separately from Earth humans...

::Where is this demonstrated in the series? All we know for sure is that practically identical Colonials arrived on our Earth more than 150,000 years ago. We have absolutely no idea how they came to be on Kobol. Why are you so eager to jump to conclusions about totally separate evolution processes of practically identical races, especially with the huge uncertainty factor of the "God" entity taking an active part in everyone's life? I would be extremely careful - if the "God" entity is so powerful and capable of surviving over 150,000 years, it could have manipulated life on Kobol based on life on Earth. No need to ignore the scientific facts of evolution in that case. Therefore, I propose to stick to the facts, and not espouse anyone's theory of how the two groups evolved, either yours or mine. The Colonials arrived on Earth 150,000 years ago and they can mate with the local population. That's it.

2) ...means that fundamentally none of the so-called "human" characters of the series were actually human in the sense of what we consider human today. Instead, they were an outwardly indistinguishable from Homo sapiens extraterrestrial species with compatible DNA to Homo sapiens as a result of a parallel evolution.

::Again, no evidence for parallel evolution, which would be extremely unlikely. The facts are: Colonials came from Kobol as far as they know, although they don't know much about their early history.

3) The reimagined Battlestar Galactica was actually the saga of an alien race.

::No proof. In order to prove that it is an alien race, you have to prove that they evolved completely separately, despite all the physical similarities and an extremely influential "God" entity observing the events over hundreds of thousands of years and taking an active part in them.

It is extremely important to stick to verifiable facts on such shaky ground, with so much about the "God" entity remaining unknown. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 19:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

*[[Jane Espenson]] (one of BSG's writers and executive producers) has confirmed in an interview that Kobol was indeed the "original origin point for humanity" (i.e. Colonials) [http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html]. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 21:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

:I think this is likely the case, but unfortunately her wording is "I've always taken it to be Kobol." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]]

:Jane, Ron, any writer or producer. If you see this, could you please clear things up for us? --- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 21:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
-----
As noted, she assumed it to be Kobol. If you quote her exactly, I don't mind, but that does not mean that Ron Moore shares the opinion absolutely, without possibility of change, or that any other writers do. Remember how fluid and unpredictable BSG writing tends to be? She also indicated in another interview that the Angels may be aliens, which is something that Ron Moore wasn't specific about; they really prefer to leave a lot of this to our interpretation. Again, quoting her on that is fine, but it should not be stated as undisputable fact. If you include the source, the reader will know that the statement does not have the same value as an onscreen demonstration, and that there are alternative explanations as well. -- [[User:Graf Iblis|Graf Iblis]] 21:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

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Davidkevin: Three-letter Suffix; ''Caprica'' and the First Cylon War

#Is this for real?
#If this is in the same continuity as the re-imagined series, we won't need a separate namespace for it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:51, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::On the first, it looks it, but, like most people, I'm more inclined to believe things I like.
::I almost posted the second on Quorum, but I decided it was a conclusion we'd all come to anyway. I'm glad I was at least partially right. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:56, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Actually, thinking it through some more, it might be handy to have a namespace for a new series - particularly for projects like the screencap categorization. I'll have to think on how they should coexist. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:00, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::::Just for clarity, you cannot mean an actual namespace like Battlestar Wiki, Podcast, or Sources, since RDM and TOS use the same one. Assuming you mean something like the use of "RDM" as a parenthetical disambiguation term, I disagree. It should never be necessary to disambiguate between RDM and Caprica if they share a continuity. In fact, I think TOS/Caprica name conflicts should be resolved with RDM, as Ronald D. Moore is the creative force behind Caprica, too; it would also avoid a problem if something is mentioned first in Cparica, then in RDM.
::::I think a category would be sufficient for screen capture organization. (It's clearly necessary, anyway.) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:09, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::Yes, I meant the parenthetical suffix. What we have now is, for example, "Screen Captures (TOS)", "Screen Captures (1980)" and "Screen Captures (RDM)". The reason (1980) and (TOS) are separate is that there are numerous other continuities that branch off of TOS and don't include 1980, a concern that wouldn't be relevant for RDM and "Caprica". However, wouldn't we want a category such as "Screen Captures (Caprica)" that would be distinct from "Screen Captures (RDM)"? That's why a parenthetical designation separate from "RDM" might be useful. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:13, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::::::That's the category I meant. Category:CAP should probably just be [[:Category:RDM]], barring a desire to keep track of things mentioned in the re-imagined series only or Caprica only. Category:Episode Guide (CAP) would suffice for episode pages, which would also be in Category:RDM to indicate continuity, not series. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:20, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I think this is horribly confusing. The best thing would be to have separate abbreviations for the current series and the RDM universe as a whole, but I don't exactly feel like going through the entire wiki, moving articles, categories and links. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:23, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
Not only is it real, when I saw the first rumor I immediately took it to the "Talk to Mrs.Ron" thread, and asked. She asked Ron, who within 30 minutes responded that yes, he had already publicly pitched it to ScifiChannel and the news sites weren't making it up and it wasn't a rumor. Talk about fan-base connection! Secondly Peter, we do need a template if only for the episodes: I mean Next Generation and Deep Space Nine are in the same continuity, share several characters and even have crossover episodes, but we still use "TNG" and "DS9" stuff to sort the two out. I mean one day they might have a "Caprica" episode called "Resistance". So we have RDM "Resistance" and CAP "Resistance". It's just a convention to use for episode naming really. I mean when Galactica shows up in "Caprica" it'll be the same ship, and we'll still call it "Galactica (RDM)", yes, but "CAP" would be mostly an episode thing. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:02, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:I sincerely hope they never give an episode the same name, but I suppose it's possible. I suggest not using " (CAP)" unless that forces it, and, even then, restricting it to that specific usage. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:11, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::Well, most series tend to wind up using 3 letter abbreviations after a while. And yeah even TNG had "The Emissary (TNG)" not to be confused with the pilot episode of Deep Space Nine, "The Emissary (DS9)".--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:14, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

==Abbreviation==
For templating and just basic shorthand, we need an abbreviation we'll officially use for this series, just as ''The Next Generation'' is TNG, ''The Original Series'' is TOS, and Ron D. Moore's ''Battlestar Galactica'' is RDM. I think CAP would be good. Any objections?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:12, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:"Caprica" in full looks better and doesn't take much longer to type, while CAP is visually consistant with RDM and TOS. I don't much care one way or the other. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:14, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::I guess so, well just in case anyone wanted it. I'm not staking a big discussion on this, I'm just tossing ideas around. Whatever works out. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:16, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Oh I just figured this out: both "Caprica" and "Voyager" have 7 letters, but Memory Alpha uses that "VOY" abbreviation all the time. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:17, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::::So will RDM refer to both the RDM universe and the re-imagined series, while CAP refers just to the new spinoff? That is, suppose a new character named "Rigel" shows up in the "Caprica" series. Is she "Rigel (RDM)", or is she "Rigel (CAP)"? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:18, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::She'll be summarily executed and all memory of her erased. ...That is a problem, though. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:23, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
'''Thought''': There currently exist no pages requiring re-imagined series vs. ''Caprica'' disambiguation. "RDM" is currently used only for things that are part of both continuities.

'''Proposal''': "TNS" should be used for the things only belonging to the re-imagined series, i.e. Episode Guide (RDM) -> Episode Guide (TNS), Screen Captures (RDM) ->Screen Captures (TNS), and things named the same in both (like hypothetical Rigel and Resistance). "RDM" should be used for the entire continuity that Ronald D. Moore has created.

This minimizes changes, but it disambiguates what must be. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:30, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:I agree that this is probably the best way out of the problem, but I just want to emphasize how very, very much I don't want to make all these changes. We will need to carefully plan what needs to be moved and what does not, in order to avoid inconsistancies and broken links. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:37, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

Well actually I think it can be simpler, and moreover that we didn't want to use "TNS" anymore because it falls back into the "it's a new show, as opposed to the old show" mentality when they're really not comparable. <br>
'''Thought''': "RDM" covers...the entire "RDMverse" for lack of a better word.<br>
'''Proposal''': We'll actually keep using "RDM" for '''almost everything''', and "RDM" is the catch-all word for the "RDMverse", HOWEVER, in cases such as "The Hand of God" which is an episode titled "RDM"....we'll just keep calling those "RDM" because there's only a few of them and they're really easy to spot. ****"CAP" would really only be used as an episode guide abbreviation, and when *citing episode articles*.
--->For example, really the only time I think we'd really use "CAP" is like this: "The Cylon War began 52 years before the Fall of the Twelve Colonies <nowiki>([[RDM]]: "[[Colonial Day]]"), and was started when a Centurion named B166ER killed his human commander ([[CAP]]: "[[Cylon Revolt!]]"</nowiki>" check out a couple of pages on Memory Alpha, ones that cover alien races that span multiple tv shows like Klingons and such: that's the format they use to cite stuff between episodes, even though they're in the same continuity. But really, we can't use "BSG" because that means "BattlestarGroup", and not "TNS" because we don't want to stress that it is the new series. They're all part of the "RDMverse", while the current show is ''specifically'' "RDM", and events, objects, and persons on "Caprica" will still be put in the "RDM" category, but episodes will have "CAP". ---->'''Unless of course, you guys want to invent the term "RDMverse" for use on the Wiki as an all-encompassing term'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 03:18, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:CA's solution is really the only reasonable thing to do in the long term, even if it is going to be a bit like a root canal. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:31, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

::Well, we've root-canaled before. Just need more laughing gas. Other wikis ''wish'' to have problems like ours. :) I'm in general agreemnent with CA's idea, though it's going to sting. (Oh, I got the B166ER reference, Merv. It wouldn't be an inappropriate way to start the conflict in this show either, come to think of it...) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:40, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::I hope I read this right... RDM to TNS? Can I work on a bot that does this for us? Does it have to be right now also? There is no set timetable yet for this to show. I was alsmost going to recommend {{tl|delete}} very early AM. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:50, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

::Well look I'm not so adamant about it that I'm willing to make some sort of Faustian pact in order to see it done, but I'd ''prefer'' if we didn't use "TNS" because "The New Series" makes it sound like we're trying to set it "as opposed to the Old" when really they're not comparable. I don't know what else we could come up with, but I'm working on it. Though I must say, we have several MONTHS before we get more news on this and we've got time to decide! Yes, Spencerian, other wikis do wish for this kind of spinoff info and discussion! :) Anyone ever read "Stranger in a Strange Land"? Sometimes discussions like this remind me of that thing they mention in passing, that a Martian religious epic poem got made by a nestling that turned into a non-corporeal Old One without realizing it, and thus made a work unlike any other: as a result, the Martians themselves are heavily involved in debating this "art", even HOW to judge it, and are unconcerned with the affairs on Earth in the story; and Heinlein mentions that it will take centuries before they're done discussing this vexing dilemma! :) ***Well yeah, indeed, it is ''more'' applicable than B166ER Spencerian: those bots were just used for grunt work, but according to RDM, the Cylons were used for heavy work like mining ''as well as'' soldiers for wars ''between'' the independent Colonies; like, an army of Cylons fighting for Caprica versus and army of Cylons fighting for Gemenon, stop and ask why they're being forced to kill their fellow Cylons all the time; plus they've already got weapons. Yeah, sort of like the Jaffa in that way, actually (the Goa'uld always fought wars which were essentially just petty rivalries between the Goa'uld System Lords, thousands always dying killing their fellow Jaffa for no real reason). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:01, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::First: Heinlein rules. Excellent reference.
:::Second: When I take a step back, I can see how an outsider might consider some of the discussions/debates of this nature to be silly. Perhaps as silly and arbitrary as Green vs Purple (Green rules!), Black/White vs White/Black (Original Series Star Trek), whether the Chosen realm was [[Memoryalpha:Triannon|created]] in nine days or ten days (which should be obvious to any '''rational''' observer, but the debate raged anyway). However, I'm glad that there are people who care about sweating the details like this, and thoughtful (if sometimes energetic) debate about it is one of the great byproducts of the wiki experience.
:::Lastly, and regarding the abbreviation: I don't really have anything definitive to add, but I do ask that we try to disregard the implementation details at first, and try to come up with the "right" way to do it. When I first saw this, I cringed as I anticipated mass conversion of RDM marks over to a new abbreviation. (I even considered pleading "TOS" citizenship, but I think I'm too young.) However our goal is to be 100% correct in the end, which means not having to explain to a user years from now why the abbreviations are inconsistent. Fortunately, in this case we also likely have considerable lead time, and members with the technical expertise to implement whatever high-level category/abbreviation/etc. decisions that consensus arrives at. As for TNS vs TOS, etc. Even as a heavy editor of the TOS pages, I wasn't offended by a TNS (as I often read TOS as being "The Old... Stuff" anyway). However, technically 1980 is newer than TOS, as is any show in the continuity after this one. TRS? (The Reimagined Series?) Ideally these abbreviations would only be used at intersections in namespaces, but there is also the categories to consider. Would all the new material ALSO fall under RDM (so you have an RDM-wide content area), but then also fall under their own respective categories for their series? Well... there's a lot to consider. But we've got plenty of time, and hopefully we can work smart (as opposed to hard) on this to minimize the grunt work and maximize the accuracy, concision, and organization. Green! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:38, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:I think I misunderstood: I'd prefer to use "RDM" to refer to the current BSG series, not TNS, but for destinguishing screencaps and images and such, yeah TNS is just a technicality yeah. I just don't want to see "The Hand of God (TNS)". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:04, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::How do you feel about Steelviper's "TRS" idea? I rather like it for the increased accuracy. It seems we agree on leaving stuff from the combined continuity marked "RDM" where necessary to disambiguate from TOS or 1980. I just don't think continuing to use "RDM" for episodes and screen captures of the re-imagined series is appropriate, as it uses the same symbol for two related but distinct concepts (which is even worse than using the same symbol for two completely different concepts); it also breaks on characters with the same name, as normally "Foo (RDM)" would be used for a character from ''Caprica'' and, thus, two articles would "rightfully" have the same name. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:06, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:Well first off, "Chosen Realm" and Enterprise as a whole are a poor source of analogy, as it was poor writing. :) --->I'd actually prefer "'''RIS'''" , "Re-Imagined Series" over "TRS" "The Reimagines Series", on account of the fact that visually "TRS" is too similar to "TOS", witha difference of only one letter. New thoughts: I think I'd go with "RIS" for the current series because it is a "Re-Imagining" of TOS Battlestar Galactica's idea about a show centered on Galactica and such, but while "Caprica" is set *IN* the "Re-Imagined Universe", it's not a *DIRECT* "not so much a "remake" as a "Re-Imagining" of the essential concept" thing. ---->Therefore, I think now, I'd want to refer to the universe as a whole as "RDM", and characters places and objects like the planet Caprica, William Adama, and the Battlestar Galactica would be "RDM", but like images and episodes (we might get a name re-used or something else) for the re-imagined version of the series centered on Galactica leadering a rag-tag fleet of survivors would be called "RIS" for Re-Imagined Series, while "Caprica" stuff would be "CAP". So use "RIS" instead of "TRS", but otherwise (if I understand what he said correctly) I think I essentially agree with CA. (Either way, I'd prefer these ideas over "TNS") You guys like that idea?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:27, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:: So basicly everything that is currently ''RDM'' will be changed to ''RIS'' and this new series would be ''CAP''?
:::No. RDM will continue to be used for things which pertain to the RDM continuity/universe. Only those things which need to be disambiguated from CAP within that framework will get the new tag. So, "Boxey (RDM)" will stay "Boxey (RDM)", but "Screen captures (RDM)" will become "Screen captures (TNS)" (or whatever we decide to call it.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:49, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::::Right.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:30, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

==Suffix discusion==
(This probably deserves its own project sooner or later. We'll get around to it.)
*TNS ("The New Series"): Not good. The series isn't going to be "new" in ten years.
*TRS ("The Re-imagined Series"): Adequate, although it doesn't roll off the tongue.
*RIS ("Re-Imagined Series"): I dislike using both the morpheme and the stem for the abbreviation.
*2003 (by analogy with 1980): Confusing, since the series will continue into at least 2007.

Any other ideas? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:18, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:Well I'm favoring "RIS". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:30, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

::It sounds like [[Wikipedia:Bris|Bris]], which makes me uncomfortable. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:31, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:::To be honest, I don't think "bris" is a word your average joe on the street immediately recognizes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:13, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::::Since I assume you're not Jewish, it doesn't surprise me that you don't think that. I am going on the record as saying "RIS" gives me the jibblies. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:08, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:I'm putting my vote in for ''TRS'', and I disagree about it not rolling off the tongue. I think it rolls off the tongue just fine. --[[User:Viannah|Viannah]] 16:29, 12 November 2006 (CST)

This is not like '''TNS:Article Name''' or is this '''Article (TNS)'''. Even I am aginist serperate namespaces for articles. I suggested another namespace for Archives, because that is reasonable, but not for "Series". I don't know of any Wikis that do this, other than doing (SERIES) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 19:37, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:Well like I said check out MemoryAlpha they do this all the time to destinguish the various series. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:00, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::Here are some of your theories put to the test.
:::*http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Voyager says it's an "Article"
:::*http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jeri_Taylor says it's an "Article"
:::*http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine says it's an "article"
:::*http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Memory_Alpha:User_projects is a "Project" page.

::Which means they do not do: ''Star_Trek: Voyager Jeri Taylow''

::Oh.. and TNG goes to '''''Star Trek: The Next Generation'''''. Nothing suggests that they do it this way on MA. Other than when an episode from two diffrerent series has the same name, they do (TNG), (DS9), and so on. Check your sources before you think state a fact. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:39, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:::Calm down; he misunderstood you. As discussed above, there is some imprecision with the usage of the word ''namespace'' here. Namespaces are things like "Battlestar Wiki," "Podcast," or "Sources" that prefix a page name. "TNS," "TRS," and "RIS" would be parenthesized after the page name proper.
:::You might note the more civil tone taken in my mention of this above. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:25, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I am pretty sure he undesrtanded me because I mentioned it above in the other discussion. I have said that "TNS", "TRS" would be in () but he said they use namespaces, which he knows, because he has worked on these himself. There was was much confusing in his long paragraphs I asked twice for clairfication from him, and he never responded. I was pointing out the differences between the Wiki in which he compares to MA a little to much. I don't because it's very retrictied to what they can do since they are on a hosted "community". --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:44, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:I'm consciously abusing the term "namespace" here, mainly because I couldn't think of anything better. "Suffix" will work fine, though. Sorry for any confusion. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:07, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

::Look I think there's confusion on what's meant by "namespace" and to be honest I don't know exactly what that means; I just meant, in in-article citations, that's how we'd abbreviate it: I mean like I said above, it would be "William Adama: William Adama is the commander of Galactica during the fall of the Twelve Colonies <nowiki>([[RIS]]: [[Miniseries]]), and first joined the colonial military when Cylon Centurions destroyed his humble family moisture farm ([[CAP]]: "[[The Die is Cast]]")</nowiki> that's all, I mean I don't know what changing namespace would entail. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 22:25, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::That is display. ''Twelve Colonies ([[RIS]]: [[Miniseries]])'' It's ok to create invaild links if you need to make your point. I do it all the time. But if there was two boxey's bettween CAP and RIS, ''Boxey <nowiki>([[CAP]]: [[Boxey (CAP)|Boxey]])</nowiki>'' to ''Boxey ([[CAP]]: [[Boxey (CAP)|Boxey]])'' --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:34, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

::::I think that unless there was a CAP miniseries as well, that wouldn't be necessary. "William Adama stubbed his toe when he was two ([[SomeCapricaEpisode]]). He would later reflect on this during a cylon attack in "[[SomeGalacticaEpisode]]"." --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:45, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

Well that was just to get the ball rolling. Let's get back to figuring out the nuts amd bolts of this when we know more about episodes and casting and such.....one year from now. :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:21, 29 April 2006 (CDT)

==Spinoff?==
I don't think it's accurate to call this a spinoff in the article. It's not a spinoff because it contains none of the same characters or story. It's a prequel. That is like saying Voyager was a spinoff of Deep Space Nine. They are in the same continuity, but Caprica isn't a spinoff. If it were about the Caprica resistance in the current timeline, then it would be a spinoff. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 09:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:Prequels are technically spinoffs. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:34, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::Generally spinoffs keep to the same timeline. You don't normally go backwards in a spinoff do you? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:39, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:::"Star Trek: Enterprise" was both a prequel and a spinoff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 11:46, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Thanks for clarification :) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 11:48, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I disagree. I think a spinoff has to take place within the same timeline, not just the same universe. Voyager is not a spinoff of Deep Space Nine. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:19, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::No, and something is in the same "timeline" if it's in the same "universe". Next Generation was a spinoff of "Star Trek" the Original Series, despite being set 75 years later and featuring none of the original characters in recurring roles. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:15, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I meant the current time, I don't know a better word for that. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 13:23, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:::[[wikipedia:Spinoff#Variants_of_spin-offs|Wikipedia says:]] "A new series is started with the same theme and existing in the same universe as the original series, but may not necessarily have the same characters. Examples of this type are the Star Trek, Stargate, Law & Order, and CSI series. These are sometimes called franchises." and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise are also spinoffs of the original series." Not that wikipedia is necessarily definitive (Oregon is "Idaho's Portugal"), but I thought it might help us refine the definition of "spinoff" that we're using. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The new mag. even states that the series is not final yet. It just out there. Usually a marketing ploy. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 13:32, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::In the IGN interview with RDM and Eick, it seemed to me (IMHO) that Eick was downplaying the possibility (We only have the script and that's it). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:37, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

== The Graystone Family ==

Anyone have any theories as to who the Graystones are? The family of the inventor of the Cylons? The family of Lee and Zak's mother Caroline? Both? [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 10:45, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

:My initial reation was that the Graystones would be the inventors of the Cylon, definitely. Or perhaps, on the other side of the coin, activists wholly opposed to their creation. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::Madbrood's guess is correct. According to an interview with Ron Moore on the SciFi.com website, the Greystones are a family where there is a "Microsoft"-like company that loves to make technology, regardless of whether they should. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Gods damn, I'm good :D --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:10, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

== Starting Production? ==
HHR is reporting that production will begin November, and may be shown on NBC.[http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=3488]. Don't know if this is concrete enough to post in article. I always thought the show might play better on another network. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 05:48, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

== Reality, Meet Fiction. Fiction, Reality. ==

During my morning coffee I chuckled [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article1695546.ece at this link from a UK newspaper], which is all too relevant to this article. Best quote from a reader:

<blockquote>"Seriously though given the amount of coding errors I detect and fix as an IT specialist I would be more worried that your toaster will toast and butter you instead of the bread."</blockquote>

-- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:42, 4 May 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
:I wouldn't mind being "buttered" by [[Number Eight|#8]] :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:47, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
::Some honey and cinnamon from the belly button of a Six would be fine too. I'll skip any "French toast" jokes. :) -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:28, 4 May 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
:Link has died. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:00, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
::The article's title is "Human rights for robots? We’re getting carried away" on the London ''Times'' Online site. I found a [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article1695546.ece newer link.] --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:00, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Sci Fi taking [[FlashGordonWiki:Flash Gordon (Sci Fi Channel)|Flash Gordon]] over this? ==

I remember someone commented along YouTube's upload of [[Razor Flashbacks]] that [[Sci Fi Channel|Sci Fi]] took ''Flash Gordon'' over ''Caprica''.. As I'd highly doubt this is true, just to make certain: simply a rumour or a little more? [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 09:55, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

== Hope? ==

In the latest TV Guide, there's a snippet on page 28 that claims that Mark Stern (SciFi's executive VP of original programming) said, "I just got a call from NBC-Universal. They want us to take another look at the project." (With reference to Caprica.) So, there may be hope yet (in part, likely, due to the writer's strike. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:24, 15 January 2008 (CST)
: It would be interesting to see if it ever takes off the ground... On the other hand, if it starts prepping during the strike, will RDM and company be involved in it? Or will they just give the show to someone else? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 20:38, 15 January 2008 (CST)

== New information from E!Online==

Since we apparently believe this, is it appropriate to add Tamara Adama to the Siblings and Children sections, respectively, of Bill and Joseph's character infoboxes? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: That'd work. We just need to make sure to add the proper referencing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Spoiler Policy for the new series? ==
So I was just wondering how far are we willing to go with information coming out of the new series before we call it a spoiler? Our spoiler policy doesn't cover new series, as dealing with an upcoming series is a first for the wiki. Personally I think the information we're getting now counts as premise, and is ok to leave without spoiler warnings, but if in the future we get more detailed information than what we have it may be spoilerific.-- [[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 00:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:Good point. I think anything that deals with the plot is a spoiler, but until everything is settled there won't be episode pages. There are a few character pages, but I have no idea how to classify those. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Past or present tense?==
By the way, since the RDM episodes are written in present tense (regarding information on status as of the last episode), I assume all Caprica info should be written in past tense, even when the show is on air? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 15:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Um, that's tricky, and we have to think of something here, but in general, I'd say no. That's just awkward. They're the same universe, but when reading something about ''Caprica'', I'm reading from that show's POV, which is generally present tense. When including ''Caprica'' information into a TNS article past tense fits though (fixed :) ). Or for people who are dead. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Er, you mean past tense for those latter things, right? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::But having stuff that takes place both in CAP and 50 years later in TNS in present tense, as well as some of what happens at the same time as CAP in past tense would be even more awkward to me. And some articles, like [[William Adama]] and [[Cylons (RDM)]] will have information from both shows which will feature them (more or less) equally. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 17:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, it depends on where the information is put IMO. In an article that's exclusive to ''Caprica'' or an existing TNS article? On [[William Adama]] it would naturally be past tense, but I think that reading a Graystone family article or even [[Joseph Adama]] (once he appears on the show), one would expect present tense. On the other hands, the genesis of the Cylons on [[Cylon History]] may be past tense again (that's where it gets ''really'' complicated). It's not really an issue now, but we'll have at least one episode article for ''Caprica'' and perhaps many more. And those would be present tense of course. As said, it's tricky, because we already said that the want to keep the (RDM) disambiguation for both series. But at the same time, I think there should be a different tense depending on the POV. Maybe use something like the <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template to keep them apart when possible? A solution for William Adama specifically, could also be to create a childhood article that contains only ''Caprica'' information. But that doesn't work elsewhere. We'll see. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::By the way, in comparison, Memory Alpha uses past tense both for [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard Jean-Luc Picard] and for [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jonathan_Archer Jonathan Archer] - even information from "current" series is written in past tense there, but episode summaries for all series are in present tense. In my opinion it makes sense for all articles except for episode ones to use past tense - especially once BSG is over. Also, it will be confusing if the [[Joseph Adama]] article has information from Caprica in the present tense and information from TNS about events that happened after Caprica in the past tense. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 17:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Memory Alpha's system is very silly. Practically everything is in the past tense, because they use an annoying pseudo-historian approach. For a long time they had stuff like "Humans were a species", but at least that is fixed by now. That really hurt. I really, really prefer that we use present tense - it just reads a lot better - but I see the issue with a larger universe like ST, and as you see the issue crops up with ''Caprica'' now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I happen to agree with Serenity. I also happen to agree that MA's system of doing things verges on the asinine. Here's the short of it, to clarify:
* If an article is ''exclusively'' about ''Caprica'', then it should be written in ''present tense''. Same goes for articles exclusively about the Re-imagined Series.
* If an article spans from ''Caprica'' to the re-imagined series, then:
*# Events occurring ''before'' the [[Miniseries]] (timeline-wise) should be written in the ''past tense''.
*# Events occurring ''during'' and ''after'' the Miniseries (timeline-wise) should be written in the ''present tense''.
I should add that there are a few exceptions to this, such as articles on the history of the Twelve Colonies, etc, but the above works for 95% of the content we have on the wiki. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Are we sure we're not getting ahead of ourselves here? ==

I've been thinking, considering that all that is being produced is a pilot, is giving the casting sheets full canonical status a little presumptuous? If the series doesn't get taken up, then we might find a lot of the wiki becomes akin to [[Battlestar Galactica: Year Two proposal]] from TOS. Perhaps some qualifying tags can be added to the content. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:The pilot has been greenlit and the information from the casting sheet is likely only from the pilot. And even if nothing more than the pilot is produced, it will still have canonical status and the characters will still have articles here. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:: I find that we have topped what we can do, including the poral which I never expected to have anything other than the introduction. The things in Cylons portal gotta go. It's just got no place right now there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::As for the Cylon portal, I guess you're right, it's too early to add it there. And if anything on the sheet is from episodes other than the pilot, we'll just note which info is from the pilot and which is/was supposed to be in further episodes after the pilot is aired. And if we consider information from Bradley Thompson and Ronald D. Moore given off-screen as canon then I don't see a reason not to consider Caprica canon even if not all of it eventually gets produced. And since the pilot has been greenlit, this will definitely be more than the Year Two proposal anyway. And the articles on new characters have the spoiler tags which warn that they may differ from the final, aired version. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not that happy about the inclusion of small details into other articles. The character articles are perfectly fine. The information is valid, but it's largely contained to a few articles. But it shouldn't be spread around freely. A lot can change until the show is aired. For example there is a script from the Miniseries that had all Colonies on one planet. And, for example, a character's home colony can easily be switched. I'm not saying that we should remove it, but further edits to non-Caprica articles should be done carefully. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Concur. Also, if we're to add content to already established articles (Joseph Adama, Tauron, etc) we must note via footnotes that the information is subject to change and is, by no means, final until it is aired. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Added the footnotes to everything I could remember. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Apropos of small info: [http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=caprica&p=1#sr Mayrs/Brandstatter] are now looking for even more actors. -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I am sending my face/picture/resume in. I so want to be that agent. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Anyone with an account on that site to get more casting info? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 19:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

==Timeline Discrepency?==
The promo material for the series states that it starts 51 years prior to BSG itself and is set at a time before the Colonies are unified. However, this appears to be impossible: in Colonial Day it says the Colonies were unified 52 years earlier, whilst the mini-series states that the Cylon War ended over 40 years ago and then Razor says the war lasted 12.5 years, putting the start of the war between 52 and 53 years before the mini. Taking that into account, by 51 years before the events of BSG, the Colonies should already be unified and at war with the Cylons (an RDM blog post suggests that the Colonies unified because of the war). I would also assume that the Cylons would need many years (a decade or more, surely?) before the war to be fully developed and mass-produced, and their ships to be built. A more sensible starting time for CAPRICA would be 60+ years prior to BSG. A possibly explanation given on other boards is that the mechanical Cylons already exist, maybe even their war machine, and it is the events of CAPRICA that leads to the creation of more advanced AI and the Cylons gaining sentience. Whilst this wouldn't help the simple fact that they should already be at war, it would minimise the damage. Of course, the promo material also states that Graystone's work results in the creation of the very first Cylons, which would seem to rule that out. Hopefully they'll fix this with a caption or something at the start of the pilot, but at the moment it sounds like a continuity error to even dwarf Hero could be in the running here.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, this is a bit of a timeline discrepancy here, or at least seems that way from the information available online in regard to the production. It would be worth noting, but we need to make sure we note that this is from presently available information. (Also, they may define a "year" differently after all. Interestingly enough, they did define Razor in terms of days, not a breakdown of years/months/days. So they have wiggle room there.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
==Number of episodes==
Official press release says that, "SCI FI Channel has greenlit production on the new original series Caprica, ordering 20 hours of the drama '''including''' the two-hour pilot,..." so it should be Pilot + 18 episodes, not 21 episodes. --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 08:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== How is this consistent? ==

Early in BSG, somebody says something along the lines of, "The last time we saw the Cylons they looked like walking toasters." The humans were caught completely off guard by the Cylon infiltrators because nobody realized it was possible for a robot to pass as a human.

Now in this new series, set 50 years before the events of BSG, we have somebody already creating a robot that is a perfect replica of his daughter. By the time of BSG, the idea of robots passing as humans should be very old news.

How is this apparent contradiction resolved?

[[User:Capedia|Capedia]] 05:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

: It's complicated, and without blowing my NDA out of the water, it's not really what you think... You really have to see Caprica before you go around asking questions of badly reported information. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
::I believe that the robot replica doesn't actually look human, only the VR avatar does. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 22:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Page for the pilot ==

How about we create a separate page for the pilot, where we can include e.g. some episode-specific cast info for minor characters? Or is it too early? Also, should we move [[Evelyn Adama]] to [[Shannon Adama]], since the latter is used in ''Caprica'' (apparently they forgot that they already gave her a name)? Or should it stay where it is for now, since that's the only official name until ''Caprica'' airs? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 22:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:For now, as we haven't a name for the pilot or other data to firm it up, let's wait a bit. We'll start getting buzzed by the Sci Fi Channel blitz by midway in the year, if not earlier, I reckon. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I think it would be good to have a place for all the casting info for minor characters that would clutter this page too much. And [[Caprica pilot]] would IMHO be a good temporary name for that.
::And any thoughts on the Evelyn/Shannon thing? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 22:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Let's be bold about it and set it up, carefully. But use spoiler tags liberally and use practically no speculation since there's nothing to speculate with. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== Links Between BSG (RDM) and Caprica (Series) ==

I was wondering if there was a page that covered all the references to Caprica (the series) that have appeared on BSG since the third season (i.e. the Seventh Cylon, Daniel). --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 17:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Three-letter Suffix Discussion ==

If it isn't already settled, since there are so many pre-existing uses of (RDM), leave it at that for the re-imagined series and use (CAP) for ''[[Caprica]]'' and just let it go. Changing all the uses of (RDM) is unnecessary, bureaucratic make-work. Or so I think, anyway. -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 23:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== ''Caprica'' and the [[First Cylon War]] ==

Certainly this is early to ask this question, and even if there's been an answer given certainly it wouldn't be cast in stone right now, but I'm curious if Mr. Moore, Mr. Eick, or anyone else has indicated whether the ''Caprica'' timeline will extend all the way into the [[First Cylon War]], or if the program will stop short of that?

I ask because there were early indications that ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise Star Trek: Enterprise]'' might have extended all the way into the Trek-continuity [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Earth-Romulan_War Earth-Romulan War], although it later turned out otherwise, and this strikes me as similar in that regard (a prequel in an established history leading up to a known war which is definitely part of in-program-universe history although not yet depicted). -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 23:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:New Caprica/Archive 1

2009-03-08T07:13:14Z

Davidkevin: Anyone Left Behind?

Does anyone have screenshots from [[The Resistance]] of New Caprica City? Be nice to have comparsion shot of the nearly same view. Thanks. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:53, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
:Good idea. I just checked and there are some very large structures at the end of the central road. Looks like the Cylons have been very busy --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:58, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
::Also, the ships (Colonial One etc.) are gone. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:00, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Though probably just moved somewhere else on the planet. There will be scenes with the Cylon leaders and Baltar on Colonial One. I doubt they'll do that in orbit --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:03, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Actually, the Structures we see are on the other side of the "Main Road". The Ship section is just under the camera, and not visible, I think. I'll check and post pics ASAP ;)--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:21, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::I could be wrong and you may be right I just ASSume :p that is was the same POV. Thanks. Shot will still be nice! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:25, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::That's what I thought too at first, but if you check the pic from LDYB you see that Colonial One is right the beginning of the Main Road. Not some distance away. The position of the "Resistance" shot is a bit further to the right because the river on the left isn't visible (only the very top bit), but I think Colonial One should still be visible --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:28, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Yes it's the same POV, I misunderstood what you (FrankieG) were saying and thought you meant it was another, which neither of us believed it was. Anyways, it's the same basic POV (as we both believed) and the Ships are not visible, but only a very slight portion would be visible.

:::::::Here [http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1916/newcrappyqv9.jpg] is a comparison shot. The only ship which would be visible is Colonial One, and considering the ship, it isn't too suprising they would move it closer to wherever the Cylons reside in NC. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:30, 16 September 2006 (CDT)

Let's unindented since this is really a new thread[http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1916/newcrappyqv9.jpg], Thanks Sauron. That is the first time I noticed the towers randomly place around the city. Possibly for surveillance? Total spec. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:49, 16 September 2006 (CDT)

== Population count? ==

Since I feel this page needs to be rewritten anyway, should we add a section covering the population count since LDYB? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:57, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

:How would we do that? We don't know how many Cylons added to the total population, but I am assuming you are interested in the human population. How would we get that? Is it just subtract 33 (police cadets killed in suicide bombing) minus 4 (humans killed in power plant bombing) minus 200 (suspected insurgents). Well, strike that, we don't know how many of the suspects were killed by the Cylons at the end of Occuprice. So are we just doing 37 minus the population as of the end of LDBY, or shall we wait? Just wondering. --[[User:Homeworld|Homeworld]] 16:03, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:Have we been given any further information? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:04, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

::Well, I forgot the two suicide bombers themselves, so that's 2 plus 37, 39. LDBY population - 39, AS OF FAR. Other than that, the casualty rates of the 200 suspects will be unresolved until next Friday, so no other information except 39 solid human deaths, plus ''perhaps'' one of a guy undergoing torture at the beginning of the episode (I could hear some screams when the Cavil entered Tigh's cell). --[[User:Homeworld|Homeworld]] 16:08, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:::It's not worth the bother, IMO. When we were getting regular population updates during the 2nd season it was fun to add up the totals and see how close we could get, but without regular confirmation, it seems like a futile exercise. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:12, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
::We never counted known Cylons as part of the surviving population. So any Cylons added to the population (such as the duplicates of already-known Cylon models) would not affect those numbers. As for the futility of such an exercise... I do agree that errors are much more likely to occur now that there is no longer any on-screen count. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:21, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

==Ressurection==

I think they might have contructed a new ressurection facility on New Caprica. The Cavil and Leon models appeared mere hours after being killed and so had to be in close proximity.
Does this mean that despite the destruction of the Ressurection Ship, the Cylon models are from now on still able to be reborn?- [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 12:06, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:It has been confirmed to us that there has been more than 1 Resurrection Ship since the attack on the colonies, and that one of these ships safeguarded the 12 Colonies, while another safeguarded the fleet (everything is out of range of the Cylon Homeworld). Judging by the timeframe and by logistics, it's more probable that the Cylons moved one of their Res Ships withing a safe distance from the System of New Caprica.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 12:12, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Where has it been confirmed that there was more than one ship? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:00, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:::In the official communiques Bradley spoke of "a few" Resurrection Ships. It's also in the official Scifi.com glossary, but I trust BT more.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:13, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
: I think there might be a resurrection plant (for lack of a better term) on New Caprica, like there was on Caprica where Caprica Six and Boomer were resurrected. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:59, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
::Actually, Caprica, and it seems Boomer too, were resurrected on a ship. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:11, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:::When was ''that'' established? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Well, We always knew that there were only two choices for where they resurrected: a Ship, or a Facility on the Colonies. We know Caprica was reborn on a ship because of the timeframe, so only Boomer was left ambiguous. However, Grace Park recently confirmed that Boomer was reborn in a ship. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:54, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

If there were more Ressurection Ships, why didn't the Cylons just move another one close to The Fleet and continue to attack ''en masse''? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 18:53, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:Because more than 1 does not mean many. BT stressed "one of their few Resurrection Ships". They've got more than 1, but probably just about 3 in total. And at least one other Resurrection Ship was occupied with safeguarding the Colonies. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:14, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

==Cylon Discovery==

When Gina left the Nuclear signature that the Cylons discovered, did the Cylons discover it at the moment of detonation or mere days before the occupation? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 18:59, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:Doral said they were over a light year away, so they probably just detected the radiation a little bit before occupation. It would take the radiation that long to move out that far. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:50, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

== tense problem ==

Is there are a special reason why the whole page is written in the past tense? Usually I'd edit it, but by now someone else should have noticed that as well. So maybe it's supposed to be that way... --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:10, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: Perhaps it was noted, but maybe no one brought the issue up. Though I do fully agree that the tense needs to be changed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:16, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Anyone Left Behind? ==

Were there other Humans besides Baltar who failed to escape in the exodus from New Caprica? Since the Cylons abandoned the planet after the exodus, could there have been a handful of Humans still left to try to bleakly survive who neither escaped or were exterminated? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 07:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Galactica (TOS)

2009-01-30T23:40:32Z

Davidkevin: /* Interior */ spacing error

:''This article discusses the [[Original Series]] battlestar. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]]''.

{{Ship Data
| image= TOS-galac.jpg
| title= Galactica
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= (approx) 700
| co= [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= 32 known turbo-lasers and fusion missiles
| status= Last surviving battlestar
| length= (approx): 4,143-4,166ft (1,263-1,255m) <ref name ="size"> http://ravensbranch.allen.com/galacticasize.html </ref>
| width= (approx): 1,672ft (510m) (flight pod to flight pod) <ref name ="size"/>
}}

'''''Galactica''''' is one of a handful of combination warship/fighter carriers, known as [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestars]], of the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]]. Its task is to defend the Colonies' citizens from the [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylon Empire]]. ''Galactica'' represented the Colonial planet of [[Caprica]].

==History==
''Galactica'' was first brought into service approximately mid-way during the [[Thousand Yahren War]] with the [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]]. ''Galactica'' served with distinction throughout the conflict.

''Galactica'' and her sister ships combined the roles of battle cruiser and fighter carrier, having a massive offensive capability in terms of on-board weapons and Starhound [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] space superiority fighters.

As of "[[Saga of a Star World]]," ''Galactica'' is one of only five battlestars believed to have survived the long war, and was under the leadership of [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]], a distinguished member of the [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Council of Twelve]].

[[Image:battlestars.jpg|thumb|''Galactica'' and sister battlestars before the abortive Peace Conference.]]
The remaining battlestars amass at Cimtar for what is believed by President [[Adar (TOS)|Adar]] to be a historic peace treaty signing with the Cylons. However, with the villainous aid of one of the Council's members, [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]], Adar ignores several apparent threats to the battlestars, leaving all of them open to a massive Cylon [[Raider (TOS)|Raider]] attack. ''Galactica'' Viper pilots [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Zac]] encounter the Raider fleet, and is able to warn ''Galactica'' of the ruse.

Unfortunately, Commander Adama is unable to convince Adar to launch their Viper squadrons or place the other battlestars on alert. Adama chooses to launch his squadrons against Adar's orders, feigning a battle drill, and activates the battlestar's [[Defensive shields|shields]] to meet any attacks.

Realizing that the Raider fleet is far away from any locatable [[Basestar (TOS)|basestars]] to support them, and after seeing [[Serina|press reports]] of other Raider attacks on Caprica, Adama realizes that the Twelve Colonies themselves are in mortal danger from basestar attacks, and orders ''Galactica'' to speed away to Caprica. The battlestar arrives too late; a handful of humans survive the genocidal onslaught.

The battlestar fleet, including Adar's flagship, ''[[Atlantia (TOS)|Atlantia]]'', is destroyed, save ''Galactica'', the sole surviving battlestar from the attack. Adama sends out word to all the survivors to take whatever space going vessel they can find and rendezvous with ''Galactica''. Together, ''Galactica'' and [[The Fleet (TOS)|220 other Colonial ships]] leave Colonial space in search of Earth, the mythic home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (TOS)|Thirteenth Tribe]].

While initially believed to be the only battlestar to survive [[Battle of Cimtar|the Destruction of the Twelve Colonies]], the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]'' is found, but soon disappears in a pyrrhic mission ([[The Living Legend, Part II]]).

==Specifications==

*''Galactica'' serves three main military functions provided by battlestars, operating as fighter carrier, a battleship and a mobile base of operations all in one massive platform <ref name="BSGtech">Much of the information for ''Galactica's'' specifications section was derived from [http://www.tecr.com/galactica/index.html The Battlestar Galactica Tech Manual website.] Because of the age of the Original Series and the limited information presented by official sources on the internet, the [[Canon|canonical validity]] of this source is unknown, which violates the conventions of the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad]].</ref>

*Following the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, ''Galactica'' is forced to dramatically increase the number of crew she carries. ''Galactica'' is originally equipped with two Viper squadrons, [[Red Squadron (TOS)|Red]] and [[Blue Squadron (TOS)|Blue]]. She acquires two additional squadrons, Silver Spar Squadron and Bronze Spar Squadron from the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]'', following that ship's disappearance in "[[The Living Legend, Part II]]", boosting ''Galactica's'' fighter strength to one hundred-fifty Vipers (as mentioned in "[[Fire in Space]]").

*''Galactica'' has her own heavy offensive batteries, consisting of 32 known turbo-lasers and fusion missiles.

*The primary power aboard Colonial battlestars are provided by a combination of [[tylium]] energizers and advanced fusion reactors.

*''Galactica'' is able to travel at [[lightspeed]], but rarely does so with her civilian Fleet in tow, as no other ships in the Fleet have lightspeed ability.

*Viewers learn from "[[Saga of a Star World]]" that the standard battlestar type vessel has a crew of 496 personnel with 200 Warriors. From "[[The Living Legend, Part I (TOS)|The Living Legend]]" we know that [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestars]] carry 75 Vipers, 12 [[Landram]] land based troop transports and 12 [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|shuttlecraft]].

* In the event of imminent damage, ''Galactica'' can seal off her compartments to localize damage ([[Fire in Space]]).

* ''Galactica'' relies on scanners to locate and track objects around it. These scanners can be disabled by a significant hit to the bridge, leaving ''Galactica'' blind and forcing her to rely on her complement of Vipers to act as her "eyes" ([[Fire in Space]]).

* ''Galactica'' has an automated firefighting capability, managed by the boroton mist control center. In the event of its destruction all firefighting must be conducted manually. The [[fireleader]] coordinates the manual firefighting efforts ([[Fire in Space]]).

* ''Galactica'' makes use of [[w:Gyroscope|gyros]] in order to maintain her orientation. If Apollo and Starbuck fail to detonate the explosives in exactly the planned pattern the ship's gyros would go wild ([[Fire in Space]]).

== Interior ==

[[Image:GalacticaSchematic.jpg|thumb|An internal schematic of ''Galactica'' ([[Fire in Space]]).]]

During the course of the series, many parts of ''Galactica'' are shown.

* [[Core command]] - Most frequently seen is ''Galactica's'' command center, or bridge, which features a huge viewing window with a large shield that can be put in place, and a rotating command console from where the commander can observe operations.

* [[Launch bay]]s

* [[Life science center]]

* Ceremonial Chamber

* [[Bachelor officer's quarters]] - Crew quarters for [[Colonial Warrior|Colonial Warriors]] based on ''Galactica''.

* [[Officer's Club]]

* [[Adama's quarters]]

The ship is divided in to decks and sections designated with Greek letters. During "[[Fire in Space]]" the fire is initially out of control on alpha deck, in beta and gamma sections. Dialogue indicates that [[solium]] storage is located in or near gamma section. Sections are divided into compartments, with as many as 43 compartments in a section. A series of ducts run throughout the ship. These ducts are too small for humans to fit through, but large enough for [[Muffit]] ([[Fire in Space]]).

<gallery>
Image:Schematicwidetop.jpg|A wide top schematic of ''Galactica'', as labeled by [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and the [[fireleader]] ([[Fire in Space]])
Image:Schematiczoomtop.jpg|A zoom top schematic with sections labeled by [[Omega]].
Image:Schematicside.jpg|A zoom side schematic with the bridge as labeled by [[Tigh (TOS)|Colonel Tigh]].
</gallery>

==Notes==

* Within [[Fan fiction|fan circles]], it has generally been assumed there were twelve original battlestars, given the number of Colonies. However, [[Glen A. Larson]] has stated that there was never any decision to have a specific number of battlestars, nor did the Original series state that there were only twelve battlestars built. Indeed, only eight battlestars were specifically mentioned the the course the series. Given the length of the Thousand Yahren War, it seems likely that far more than twelve of these warships were constructed.

==References==
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Galactica (TOS)

2009-01-30T23:39:43Z

Davidkevin: /* Interior */ Unfortunately, it was a window, not an electronic viewscreen.

:''This article discusses the [[Original Series]] battlestar. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]]''.

{{Ship Data
| image= TOS-galac.jpg
| title= Galactica
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= (approx) 700
| co= [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= 32 known turbo-lasers and fusion missiles
| status= Last surviving battlestar
| length= (approx): 4,143-4,166ft (1,263-1,255m) <ref name ="size"> http://ravensbranch.allen.com/galacticasize.html </ref>
| width= (approx): 1,672ft (510m) (flight pod to flight pod) <ref name ="size"/>
}}

'''''Galactica''''' is one of a handful of combination warship/fighter carriers, known as [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestars]], of the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]]. Its task is to defend the Colonies' citizens from the [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylon Empire]]. ''Galactica'' represented the Colonial planet of [[Caprica]].

==History==
''Galactica'' was first brought into service approximately mid-way during the [[Thousand Yahren War]] with the [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]]. ''Galactica'' served with distinction throughout the conflict.

''Galactica'' and her sister ships combined the roles of battle cruiser and fighter carrier, having a massive offensive capability in terms of on-board weapons and Starhound [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] space superiority fighters.

As of "[[Saga of a Star World]]," ''Galactica'' is one of only five battlestars believed to have survived the long war, and was under the leadership of [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]], a distinguished member of the [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Council of Twelve]].

[[Image:battlestars.jpg|thumb|''Galactica'' and sister battlestars before the abortive Peace Conference.]]
The remaining battlestars amass at Cimtar for what is believed by President [[Adar (TOS)|Adar]] to be a historic peace treaty signing with the Cylons. However, with the villainous aid of one of the Council's members, [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]], Adar ignores several apparent threats to the battlestars, leaving all of them open to a massive Cylon [[Raider (TOS)|Raider]] attack. ''Galactica'' Viper pilots [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Zac]] encounter the Raider fleet, and is able to warn ''Galactica'' of the ruse.

Unfortunately, Commander Adama is unable to convince Adar to launch their Viper squadrons or place the other battlestars on alert. Adama chooses to launch his squadrons against Adar's orders, feigning a battle drill, and activates the battlestar's [[Defensive shields|shields]] to meet any attacks.

Realizing that the Raider fleet is far away from any locatable [[Basestar (TOS)|basestars]] to support them, and after seeing [[Serina|press reports]] of other Raider attacks on Caprica, Adama realizes that the Twelve Colonies themselves are in mortal danger from basestar attacks, and orders ''Galactica'' to speed away to Caprica. The battlestar arrives too late; a handful of humans survive the genocidal onslaught.

The battlestar fleet, including Adar's flagship, ''[[Atlantia (TOS)|Atlantia]]'', is destroyed, save ''Galactica'', the sole surviving battlestar from the attack. Adama sends out word to all the survivors to take whatever space going vessel they can find and rendezvous with ''Galactica''. Together, ''Galactica'' and [[The Fleet (TOS)|220 other Colonial ships]] leave Colonial space in search of Earth, the mythic home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (TOS)|Thirteenth Tribe]].

While initially believed to be the only battlestar to survive [[Battle of Cimtar|the Destruction of the Twelve Colonies]], the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]'' is found, but soon disappears in a pyrrhic mission ([[The Living Legend, Part II]]).

==Specifications==

*''Galactica'' serves three main military functions provided by battlestars, operating as fighter carrier, a battleship and a mobile base of operations all in one massive platform <ref name="BSGtech">Much of the information for ''Galactica's'' specifications section was derived from [http://www.tecr.com/galactica/index.html The Battlestar Galactica Tech Manual website.] Because of the age of the Original Series and the limited information presented by official sources on the internet, the [[Canon|canonical validity]] of this source is unknown, which violates the conventions of the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad]].</ref>

*Following the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, ''Galactica'' is forced to dramatically increase the number of crew she carries. ''Galactica'' is originally equipped with two Viper squadrons, [[Red Squadron (TOS)|Red]] and [[Blue Squadron (TOS)|Blue]]. She acquires two additional squadrons, Silver Spar Squadron and Bronze Spar Squadron from the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]'', following that ship's disappearance in "[[The Living Legend, Part II]]", boosting ''Galactica's'' fighter strength to one hundred-fifty Vipers (as mentioned in "[[Fire in Space]]").

*''Galactica'' has her own heavy offensive batteries, consisting of 32 known turbo-lasers and fusion missiles.

*The primary power aboard Colonial battlestars are provided by a combination of [[tylium]] energizers and advanced fusion reactors.

*''Galactica'' is able to travel at [[lightspeed]], but rarely does so with her civilian Fleet in tow, as no other ships in the Fleet have lightspeed ability.

*Viewers learn from "[[Saga of a Star World]]" that the standard battlestar type vessel has a crew of 496 personnel with 200 Warriors. From "[[The Living Legend, Part I (TOS)|The Living Legend]]" we know that [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestars]] carry 75 Vipers, 12 [[Landram]] land based troop transports and 12 [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|shuttlecraft]].

* In the event of imminent damage, ''Galactica'' can seal off her compartments to localize damage ([[Fire in Space]]).

* ''Galactica'' relies on scanners to locate and track objects around it. These scanners can be disabled by a significant hit to the bridge, leaving ''Galactica'' blind and forcing her to rely on her complement of Vipers to act as her "eyes" ([[Fire in Space]]).

* ''Galactica'' has an automated firefighting capability, managed by the boroton mist control center. In the event of its destruction all firefighting must be conducted manually. The [[fireleader]] coordinates the manual firefighting efforts ([[Fire in Space]]).

* ''Galactica'' makes use of [[w:Gyroscope|gyros]] in order to maintain her orientation. If Apollo and Starbuck fail to detonate the explosives in exactly the planned pattern the ship's gyros would go wild ([[Fire in Space]]).

== Interio r==

[[Image:GalacticaSchematic.jpg|thumb|An internal schematic of ''Galactica'' ([[Fire in Space]]).]]

During the course of the series, many parts of ''Galactica'' are shown.

* [[Core command]] - Most frequently seen is ''Galactica's'' command center, or bridge, which features a huge viewing window with a large shield that can be put in place, and a rotating command console from where the commander can observe operations.

* [[Launch bay]]s

* [[Life science center]]

* Ceremonial Chamber

* [[Bachelor officer's quarters]] - Crew quarters for [[Colonial Warrior|Colonial Warriors]] based on ''Galactica''.

* [[Officer's Club]]

* [[Adama's quarters]]

The ship is divided in to decks and sections designated with Greek letters. During "[[Fire in Space]]" the fire is initially out of control on alpha deck, in beta and gamma sections. Dialogue indicates that [[solium]] storage is located in or near gamma section. Sections are divided into compartments, with as many as 43 compartments in a section. A series of ducts run throughout the ship. These ducts are too small for humans to fit through, but large enough for [[Muffit]] ([[Fire in Space]]).

<gallery>
Image:Schematicwidetop.jpg|A wide top schematic of ''Galactica'', as labeled by [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and the [[fireleader]] ([[Fire in Space]])
Image:Schematiczoomtop.jpg|A zoom top schematic with sections labeled by [[Omega]].
Image:Schematicside.jpg|A zoom side schematic with the bridge as labeled by [[Tigh (TOS)|Colonel Tigh]].
</gallery>

==Notes==

* Within [[Fan fiction|fan circles]], it has generally been assumed there were twelve original battlestars, given the number of Colonies. However, [[Glen A. Larson]] has stated that there was never any decision to have a specific number of battlestars, nor did the Original series state that there were only twelve battlestars built. Indeed, only eight battlestars were specifically mentioned the the course the series. Given the length of the Thousand Yahren War, it seems likely that far more than twelve of these warships were constructed.

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Battlestars]]
[[Category:Battlestars (TOS)]]
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Talk:Sometimes a Great Notion/Archive 1

2009-01-18T08:14:38Z

Davidkevin: Buried Centurion Head

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== Half-Season ==

Are we sure that Sometimes a Great Notion will be aired before the midseason break? I've seen the first half-season referred to as consisting of ten episodes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
: It's not on the SFC schedule, so I've removed it. Someone must've been overzealous in their addition of the airdates. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Writers ==

In the podcast for Revelations, RDM states that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson will be writing this episode. I though I should bring it up here rather than add it to the article as I'm a relatively new member here, and am still unfamiliar with the editing process.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 23:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
: That's all right, Pentagonal. Feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] take it upon yourself to add it, as long as it's [[BW:CJ|cited]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for the encouragement, but it wasn't so much that I was apprehensive to edit the page, but more that i'm not quite sure how. I really haven't taken the time to learn how to use the editing software, (which is something I'm planning on doing shortly) so i thought it best to bring it up here and have someone willing and able add it.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I added it. You can see the difference [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sometimes_a_Great_Notion&diff=165728&oldid=164802 here]. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Many thanks.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Episode Title ==

''The title of the episode comes from the blues song "Goodnight, Irene," in which the singer contemplates suicide: "Sometimes I get a great notion / to jump in the river and drown."'' Is this a fact? There's no citation. It's also the title of a song by John Mellencamp. [[User:Genji2000|Genji2000]] 17:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:And, though I don't know if it has to do with anything, the first line of the Mellencamp song, "Never give an inch," is a reference to ''Sometimes a Great Notion'', a novel by Ken Kesey. [[User:Capedia|Capedia]] 07:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Buried Centurion Head ==

Was it just me, or did that uncovered centurion head found in the anthropological dig look like the centurion pictured here:http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:DeSanto_Singer_Project_Cylon.jpg ? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 08:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The Road Less Traveled

2008-05-09T18:58:08Z

Davidkevin: /* On Galactica */

{{Episode Data
| image=4x05 - The Road Less Travelled - Promo 1.jpg
| title= The Road Less Traveled
| season= 4
| episode= 5
| guests=
| forumthread= 1008
| writer=[[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| production=407
| rating=
| US airdate=2 May 2008
| CAN airdate=2 May 2008
| UK airdate=6 May 2008
| dvd=
| population=39676
| oldpopulation=39675
| prev= [[Escape Velocity]]
| next= [[Faith]]
| hulu=Y
}}

== Overview ==

: ''The prospect of a truce between the [[The Fleet (RDM)|remnants of humanity]] and the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]s encourages [[Kara Thrace]] to trust an old enemy.''

== Summary ==

=== On ''Galactica'' ===

* [[Gaius Baltar]] listens to the laments of [[Phoebe]], who lost her two children on [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]], as well as her husband, during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. She is angered by the fact that all this happened and that the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Gods]] did nothing to spite the people who were responsible for the attack, such as the politicians, programmers, and corporations. Baltar, surrounded by his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], makes a speech (which is recorded and broadcast over the [[wireless]]) about how the Gods failed to come to their aid not because they didn't want to, but because the Lords of Kobol don't exist.

* [[Galen Tyrol]] is listening to Baltar's broadcast while exercising with a jumping rope, but turns it off eventually. [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] begins crying, so Tyrol turns it on again, which apparently soothes the child.

* Later, Tyrol silently stands in the [[launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] where his wife died and is joined by [[Tory Foster]]. Foster tell him that it might never make sense, no matter how long he obsesses over it. Tyrol can't believe that she would commit suicide, despite taking anti-depressants and that she would leave her son behind. Foster tells him to let it go and brings up the possibility that she might have known that he is a Cylon.

* After having sex with Foster, Baltar wonders if she is telling [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] about what he does. She affirms, but says that the politicians have bigger things to worry about than him, and that only inconsequential people from the fringe of society are drawn to him.

* Later, Tyrol hears another of Baltar's sermons and heads down to the commune. There he listens, but is pulled aside by Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]], who scowls and scoffs Tyrol for not getting over Cally's death quickly. Tyrol is told that he needs to get over Cally's death before they are outed as [[Final Five|Cylons]]. Tyrol retorts that Tigh isn't dealing well with their situation either and that he knows that Tigh has been spending time with [[Caprica-Six]].

* After Tigh leaves, Baltar calls out Tyrol, saying that he's sorry for his loss. Tyrol becomes furious, saying that Baltar is a scumbag and that, for some reason, Cally liked him and his [[My Triumphs, My Mistakes|manifesto]] and his dead. Baltar doesn't raise to the bait and asks Tyrol to shake his hand. However, Tyrol grabs him by the throat. Baltar's followers pull him away and Tyrol leaves after shouting "you didn't know her!"

* Back in his quarters, he becomes furious, takes a pistol from a shelf and briefly contemplates killing himself. Later, as Tyrol lies awake in bed, still with his service weapon in hand, Baltar visits him and apologizes for the things he said about Cally. He also tells Tyrol that he committed many crimes and accepted his religious role as his only remaining chance of redemption. Tyrol listens silently, then still without speaking extends his hand to Baltar, who takes it.

=== On the ''Demetrius'' ===

* On day 58 of their mission, [[Kara Thrace]] unexpectedly decides to join the [[Combat Air Patrol]], although this usually is beyond her duty as captain. With [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]] as her wingman, Thrace (in [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]]'s Viper) encounters a heavily damaged [[Heavy Raider]] that just appeared on their [[DRADIS]]. Both are unsure of what course of action to take, until [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]] hails them over the [[wireless]], offering them a truce between Cylons and humans and a chance for Thrace to fulfill her "journey".
* After allowing the Heavy Raider to dock, Conoy tells Thrace that the ones he left behind on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] need her help, but also that the [[Hybrid]] can help them. Although the crew doesn't find any explosives or tracking devices in the Raider, they are suspicious of Conoy.
* However, Thrace has Conoy escorted to her quarters, where he aims to help her until [[Samuel Anders]] sees how physically close they are and assaults Conoy. He fights with him until the Marines drag Conoy away to lock him up in a closet.
*Anders visits Conoy there to ask him what he wants from Thrace. He tells that Anders that he wants to understand her [[The Destiny|destiny]], which Anders doesn't consider good enough. Conoy replies that it is good enough for Thrace and that Anders might have his own destiny, beyond his relatively inconsequential life as a [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] player. Conoy's words disturb Anders, who fears Conoy may know of his Cylon nature. Conoy also repeats his offer of a truce and that they can find Earth, the "promised land", together.
* On the bridge, [[Sharon Agathon]] and others express their concern that Thrace cannot be trusted, and that they have to meet up with the Fleet to refuel. Moreover, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] made it clear that if the ship didn't return by then, they would be considered lost.
* [[Karl Agathon]] defends Starbuck's authority, but out of concern orders a more thorough for tracking devices and other potential issues. Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]] dons a spacesuit and conducts an inspection of the hull, but is blown away and killed after the reactor on the ship goes critical.
* After her death, Thrace makes a speech to the ship's crew in the mess hall, saying that sometimes people die senseless deaths, but that she is responsible for Mathias's death and has to live with it. She it trying to concede that she may have been a difficult captain, but can't find the words. [[Felix Gaeta]] tries to come to her aid, by telling her that the rendezvous coordinates with the Fleet have been laid in, but Thrace against insists to meet with Conoy's basestar.
* At this, [[Eammon Pike]] becomes openly hostile and riles everyone up against Thrace's order, believing that her course of action will get them killed too. Captain Agathon offers him a chance to walk away, but when Pike continues, he pistol whips him into unconsciousness.
* Later, on the bridge, she orders the crew to spin up the [[FTL]] drives and prepare to jump to the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]]' basestar. Captain Agathon refuses, which leads her to promote Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] to be her new XO, who refuses to carry out the order as well. Agathon then officially relieves Thrace of command, citing the [[Colonial Military Code]].

== Notes ==
*The title is derived from the poem "The Road Not Taken" by [[w:Robert Frost|Robert Frost]]
::''Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—''
::''I took the one less traveled by,''
::''And that has made all the difference.''
:The common interpretation is that one may be rewarded greatly by choosing a more difficult path than the one used by the crowd. The phrase may also have had a religious meaning for Frost, alluding to [http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat007.htm Matthew 7,12-14], which mentions a broad gate leading to destruction and a narrow gate leading to salvation. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://local.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426710|title=Google Answers: Origin of "road less travelled"}}</ref>
* The survivor count increases by one, meaning that at least one child has been born in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* It has been 58 days since the end of "[[Six of One]]", when Kara Thrace is given the command of the ''[[Demetrius]]''.
* Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]]'s first name, Erin, is spoken for the first time on screen.
* Neither [[William Adama]] nor [[Laura Roslin]] appear in this episode. In both cases, this is [[Central character absences (RDM)|unprecedented]].
* Just before the damaged Heavy Raider comes into view, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible, just as it was during the Cavil-Boomer faction's ambush of the Natalie-Conoy faction.

== Analysis ==
* Instead of using his demotion as a wakeup call, Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] has slipped further into despair and even contemplates to kill himself. That he has completely shaven his head might also be an indicator of his state of mind.
* Earlier resenting Baltar's presumption of believing what Tyrol's dead wife Cally would want, Tyrol strangles Baltar after ignoring his hand to shake. After Tyrol's suicide effort Baltar visits him in his quarters to apologize and Tyrol accepts Baltar's handshake. In light of Tyrol's resentment, and even hatred, towards Baltar displayed in other episodes, it seems more likely that Tyrol forgives Baltar for offending him in this one instance, but not for all his sins as Baltar may intend.
* Tyrol contemplating to kill himself is visually and thematically similar to [[Sharon Valerii]]'s suicide thoughts in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]". Both either suspect or know that they are a Cylon and fear to hurt those around them. However, Valerii was more serious and calm about killing herself and made a real attempt to do so, while Tyrol acts in a fit of rage and eventually calms down.
* Despite his tirade directed towards Adama in "[[Escape Velocity]]", Tyrol's love for Cally is what calms him down once he looks upon a photo of him and Cally. In spite of her shortcomings, his memories and feelings of Cally are what help ground Tyrol's mindset again.
* In spite of Foster clinging to the idea that she is perfect and thus cannot be held accountable for her actions, her unwillingness and blatant lying to Tyrol about Cally's death betrays her fear of what would happen if Tyrol were to learn that she was responsible for her murder.
* Conoy's comments to Anders indicate that a true Cylon civil war has commenced, and not an isolated incident between the Cavil-Boomer faction vs. the Natalie-Conoy faction.
* The Cylon Civil War appears to be fulfillment of the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy from "[[Razor]]". "''[[Significant Seven|They]] will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into the many...''" Furthermore, it appears that the alliance offered by Conoy to the Colonials could possibly be the meaning of "''...they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning''", as Conoy tells Thrace that he now sees an angel when he looks at her.
* This episode states it clearly that Thrace does remember what happened when she descended into the maelstrom that supposedly killed her. She apparently remembers chasing the Heavy Raider, the vision of her mother, and the message that she has a destiny to fulfill.
* In an interesting moment of symmetry, Conoy, after being beaten up and thrown down by Anders, recites the first article of faith. This is a call back to "[[Flesh and Bone]]", when after one of the interrogation sessions he experienced at the hands of Thrace, he recites the first article of faith.
* Although [[Karl Agathon]] initially defends Thrace against her crew's discontent and tries to quell any insubordination, he eventually leads the mutiny against her. The difference is that [[Eammon Pike]], and to a lesser extent [[Sharon Agathon]], complain about Thrace behind her back and in an informal way, thus potentially impeding everyone in their work. When push comes to shove, Agathon shares their opinion, but uses official means by citing Colonial military regulations. As executive officer he is also in a better and more credible position to do so than the rest of the crew.

== Questions ==

* Does Conoy sense that Anders is a fellow Cylon?
* How will the situation on the ''Demetrius'' be resolved?
* Will Galen Tyrol begin to associate with Baltar?
* If yes, will Baltar have a positive influence on Tyrol and help him to overcome his grief or uncertainty about being a Cylon?
* What have Tigh and Caprica-Six been doing recently?
* Why does Baltar's broadcast appear to soothe Nicholas Tyrol?
* How large has Baltar's movement grown?
* Did Conoy intend for his Raider to explode or is it really an accident?
* Why does Baltar focus on making amends with Tyrol? Is it because of Foster's words, a genuine desire to reach out to Tyrol, or both?

== Official Statements ==





== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''[[Gaius Baltar]] to [[Galen Tyrol]] about his conversion to a believer:''
:"I know it's hard to...make sense of things sometimes. In my own life, I...in my own life I've joined the fleet as a scientist, as a skeptic, as a...supposedly a man of reason. Only to have fate turn that all on its head. But I understand now that there is a purpose to it. We change. We evolve. Maybe we even learn something along the way. (pauses) I have committed...unconscionable crimes. And I have been offered one last chance at redemption, because I chose to accept my fate and not fight it anymore."

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Specialist [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]
* [[Eileen Pedde]] as Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]
* [[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
* [[Lori Triolo]] as [[Phoebe]]

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=306

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}

[[Category:RDM]]

The Road Less Traveled

2008-05-09T18:57:11Z

Davidkevin: /* On Galactica */ Tyrol and Balter in Tyrol's quarters

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| title= The Road Less Traveled
| season= 4
| episode= 5
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| forumthread= 1008
| writer=[[Mark Verheiden]]
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| director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| production=407
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| US airdate=2 May 2008
| CAN airdate=2 May 2008
| UK airdate=6 May 2008
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| prev= [[Escape Velocity]]
| next= [[Faith]]
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== Overview ==

: ''The prospect of a truce between the [[The Fleet (RDM)|remnants of humanity]] and the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]s encourages [[Kara Thrace]] to trust an old enemy.''

== Summary ==

=== On ''Galactica'' ===

* [[Gaius Baltar]] listens to the laments of [[Phoebe]], who lost her two children on [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]], as well as her husband, during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. She is angered by the fact that all this happened and that the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Gods]] did nothing to spite the people who were responsible for the attack, such as the politicians, programmers, and corporations. Baltar, surrounded by his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], makes a speech (which is recorded and broadcast over the [[wireless]]) about how the Gods failed to come to their aid not because they didn't want to, but because the Lords of Kobol don't exist.

* [[Galen Tyrol]] is listening to Baltar's broadcast while exercising with a jumping rope, but turns it off eventually. [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] begins crying, so Tyrol turns it on again, which apparently soothes the child.

* Later, Tyrol silently stands in the [[launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] where his wife died and is joined by [[Tory Foster]]. Foster tell him that it might never make sense, no matter how long he obsesses over it. Tyrol can't believe that she would commit suicide, despite taking anti-depressants and that she would leave her son behind. Foster tells him to let it go and brings up the possibility that she might have known that he is a Cylon.

* After having sex with Foster, Baltar wonders if she is telling [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] about what he does. She affirms, but says that the politicians have bigger things to worry about than him, and that only inconsequential people from the fringe of society are drawn to him.

* Later, Tyrol hears another of Baltar's sermons and heads down to the commune. There he listens, but is pulled aside by Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]], who scowls and scoffs Tyrol for not getting over Cally's death quickly. Tyrol is told that he needs to get over Cally's death before they are outed as [[Final Five|Cylons]]. Tyrol retorts that Tigh isn't dealing well with their situation either and that he knows that Tigh has been spending time with [[Caprica-Six]].

* After Tigh leaves, Baltar calls out Tyrol, saying that he's sorry for his loss. Tyrol becomes furious, saying that Baltar is a scumbag and that, for some reason, Cally liked him and his [[My Triumphs, My Mistakes|manifesto]] and his dead. Baltar doesn't raise to the bait and asks Tyrol to shake his hand. However, Tyrol grabs him by the throat. Baltar's followers pull him away and Tyrol leaves after shouting "you didn't know her!"

* Back in his quarters, he becomes furious, takes a pistol from a shelf and briefly contemplates killing himself. Later, as Tyrol lies awake in bed, still with his service weapon in hand, Baltar visits him and apologizes for the things he said about Cally. He also tells Tyrol that he committed many crimes and accepted his religious role as his only remaining chance of redemption. Tyrol listens silently, then silently extends his hand to Baltar, who takes it.

=== On the ''Demetrius'' ===

* On day 58 of their mission, [[Kara Thrace]] unexpectedly decides to join the [[Combat Air Patrol]], although this usually is beyond her duty as captain. With [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]] as her wingman, Thrace (in [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]]'s Viper) encounters a heavily damaged [[Heavy Raider]] that just appeared on their [[DRADIS]]. Both are unsure of what course of action to take, until [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]] hails them over the [[wireless]], offering them a truce between Cylons and humans and a chance for Thrace to fulfill her "journey".
* After allowing the Heavy Raider to dock, Conoy tells Thrace that the ones he left behind on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] need her help, but also that the [[Hybrid]] can help them. Although the crew doesn't find any explosives or tracking devices in the Raider, they are suspicious of Conoy.
* However, Thrace has Conoy escorted to her quarters, where he aims to help her until [[Samuel Anders]] sees how physically close they are and assaults Conoy. He fights with him until the Marines drag Conoy away to lock him up in a closet.
*Anders visits Conoy there to ask him what he wants from Thrace. He tells that Anders that he wants to understand her [[The Destiny|destiny]], which Anders doesn't consider good enough. Conoy replies that it is good enough for Thrace and that Anders might have his own destiny, beyond his relatively inconsequential life as a [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] player. Conoy's words disturb Anders, who fears Conoy may know of his Cylon nature. Conoy also repeats his offer of a truce and that they can find Earth, the "promised land", together.
* On the bridge, [[Sharon Agathon]] and others express their concern that Thrace cannot be trusted, and that they have to meet up with the Fleet to refuel. Moreover, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] made it clear that if the ship didn't return by then, they would be considered lost.
* [[Karl Agathon]] defends Starbuck's authority, but out of concern orders a more thorough for tracking devices and other potential issues. Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]] dons a spacesuit and conducts an inspection of the hull, but is blown away and killed after the reactor on the ship goes critical.
* After her death, Thrace makes a speech to the ship's crew in the mess hall, saying that sometimes people die senseless deaths, but that she is responsible for Mathias's death and has to live with it. She it trying to concede that she may have been a difficult captain, but can't find the words. [[Felix Gaeta]] tries to come to her aid, by telling her that the rendezvous coordinates with the Fleet have been laid in, but Thrace against insists to meet with Conoy's basestar.
* At this, [[Eammon Pike]] becomes openly hostile and riles everyone up against Thrace's order, believing that her course of action will get them killed too. Captain Agathon offers him a chance to walk away, but when Pike continues, he pistol whips him into unconsciousness.
* Later, on the bridge, she orders the crew to spin up the [[FTL]] drives and prepare to jump to the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]]' basestar. Captain Agathon refuses, which leads her to promote Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] to be her new XO, who refuses to carry out the order as well. Agathon then officially relieves Thrace of command, citing the [[Colonial Military Code]].

== Notes ==
*The title is derived from the poem "The Road Not Taken" by [[w:Robert Frost|Robert Frost]]
::''Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—''
::''I took the one less traveled by,''
::''And that has made all the difference.''
:The common interpretation is that one may be rewarded greatly by choosing a more difficult path than the one used by the crowd. The phrase may also have had a religious meaning for Frost, alluding to [http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat007.htm Matthew 7,12-14], which mentions a broad gate leading to destruction and a narrow gate leading to salvation. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://local.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426710|title=Google Answers: Origin of "road less travelled"}}</ref>
* The survivor count increases by one, meaning that at least one child has been born in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* It has been 58 days since the end of "[[Six of One]]", when Kara Thrace is given the command of the ''[[Demetrius]]''.
* Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias|Mathias]]'s first name, Erin, is spoken for the first time on screen.
* Neither [[William Adama]] nor [[Laura Roslin]] appear in this episode. In both cases, this is [[Central character absences (RDM)|unprecedented]].
* Just before the damaged Heavy Raider comes into view, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible, just as it was during the Cavil-Boomer faction's ambush of the Natalie-Conoy faction.

== Analysis ==
* Instead of using his demotion as a wakeup call, Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] has slipped further into despair and even contemplates to kill himself. That he has completely shaven his head might also be an indicator of his state of mind.
* Earlier resenting Baltar's presumption of believing what Tyrol's dead wife Cally would want, Tyrol strangles Baltar after ignoring his hand to shake. After Tyrol's suicide effort Baltar visits him in his quarters to apologize and Tyrol accepts Baltar's handshake. In light of Tyrol's resentment, and even hatred, towards Baltar displayed in other episodes, it seems more likely that Tyrol forgives Baltar for offending him in this one instance, but not for all his sins as Baltar may intend.
* Tyrol contemplating to kill himself is visually and thematically similar to [[Sharon Valerii]]'s suicide thoughts in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]". Both either suspect or know that they are a Cylon and fear to hurt those around them. However, Valerii was more serious and calm about killing herself and made a real attempt to do so, while Tyrol acts in a fit of rage and eventually calms down.
* Despite his tirade directed towards Adama in "[[Escape Velocity]]", Tyrol's love for Cally is what calms him down once he looks upon a photo of him and Cally. In spite of her shortcomings, his memories and feelings of Cally are what help ground Tyrol's mindset again.
* In spite of Foster clinging to the idea that she is perfect and thus cannot be held accountable for her actions, her unwillingness and blatant lying to Tyrol about Cally's death betrays her fear of what would happen if Tyrol were to learn that she was responsible for her murder.
* Conoy's comments to Anders indicate that a true Cylon civil war has commenced, and not an isolated incident between the Cavil-Boomer faction vs. the Natalie-Conoy faction.
* The Cylon Civil War appears to be fulfillment of the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecy from "[[Razor]]". "''[[Significant Seven|They]] will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into the many...''" Furthermore, it appears that the alliance offered by Conoy to the Colonials could possibly be the meaning of "''...they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning''", as Conoy tells Thrace that he now sees an angel when he looks at her.
* This episode states it clearly that Thrace does remember what happened when she descended into the maelstrom that supposedly killed her. She apparently remembers chasing the Heavy Raider, the vision of her mother, and the message that she has a destiny to fulfill.
* In an interesting moment of symmetry, Conoy, after being beaten up and thrown down by Anders, recites the first article of faith. This is a call back to "[[Flesh and Bone]]", when after one of the interrogation sessions he experienced at the hands of Thrace, he recites the first article of faith.
* Although [[Karl Agathon]] initially defends Thrace against her crew's discontent and tries to quell any insubordination, he eventually leads the mutiny against her. The difference is that [[Eammon Pike]], and to a lesser extent [[Sharon Agathon]], complain about Thrace behind her back and in an informal way, thus potentially impeding everyone in their work. When push comes to shove, Agathon shares their opinion, but uses official means by citing Colonial military regulations. As executive officer he is also in a better and more credible position to do so than the rest of the crew.

== Questions ==

* Does Conoy sense that Anders is a fellow Cylon?
* How will the situation on the ''Demetrius'' be resolved?
* Will Galen Tyrol begin to associate with Baltar?
* If yes, will Baltar have a positive influence on Tyrol and help him to overcome his grief or uncertainty about being a Cylon?
* What have Tigh and Caprica-Six been doing recently?
* Why does Baltar's broadcast appear to soothe Nicholas Tyrol?
* How large has Baltar's movement grown?
* Did Conoy intend for his Raider to explode or is it really an accident?
* Why does Baltar focus on making amends with Tyrol? Is it because of Foster's words, a genuine desire to reach out to Tyrol, or both?

== Official Statements ==





== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''[[Gaius Baltar]] to [[Galen Tyrol]] about his conversion to a believer:''
:"I know it's hard to...make sense of things sometimes. In my own life, I...in my own life I've joined the fleet as a scientist, as a skeptic, as a...supposedly a man of reason. Only to have fate turn that all on its head. But I understand now that there is a purpose to it. We change. We evolve. Maybe we even learn something along the way. (pauses) I have committed...unconscionable crimes. And I have been offered one last chance at redemption, because I chose to accept my fate and not fight it anymore."

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Specialist [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]
* [[Eileen Pedde]] as Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]
* [[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
* [[Lori Triolo]] as [[Phoebe]]

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=306

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}

[[Category:RDM]]

Talk:Operation Raptor Talon/Archive 1

2008-04-25T06:40:39Z

Davidkevin: Trapped behind the stuck door

Awesome name! Seems like someone was quite impressed with the "Operation Camel Toe" coverage on The Daily Show. ;-) -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 17:39, 15 October 2007 (CDT)
:I'm pleasantly blown away with the shots of the war, the uniforms and the subtle parallel references to "[[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero]]" --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:34, 15 October 2007 (CDT)

== 3 battlestars ==

Have I missed something? I was under the impression that only ''Galactica'' and ''Columbia'' were engaged in this battle. Which one is the third? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:25, 24 October 2007 (CDT)
:I wondered about that too. But look at the picture (or better yet the video). There are three. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:31, 24 October 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, got it at ~0:36 into flashback 3. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:20, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

== Trapped behind the stuck door ==

Are we correct in assuming that those trapped behind that door Adama couldn't open were recovered by Colonial forces? Or was that a chamber on the Basestar which took off from the planetary surface and Adama just barely escaped from becoming a Cylon prisoner himself? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 06:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Navigation in the Re-imagined Series/Archive 1

2007-11-05T13:58:11Z

Davidkevin: Lion's Head Nebula / Constellation Leo

This article comprises the topics on navigation from a past larger article version of [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]], broken out for later expansion and page size considerations. The Reaction Control System article and parts of the FTL article are also included. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:13, 11 October 2006 (CDT)

There may be a significant error in the section on distances. The 30 minute communications delay between Adar and Roslin is most likely a total round trip delay -- 15 minutes each way, not 30. This would mean that all distances, times, and speeds derived from this number should be halved. --[[User:Girckin|Girckin]] 21:22, 7 November 2006 (CST)
:When Roslin later speaks to 'Jack' over the wireless, there is no such delay whatsoever. Billy may have meant the time it takes to get Roslin's speech from the plane to the President's eyes, or some delay in that process. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 10:07, 2 January 2007 (CST)

== Cleanup ==

I've tagged this for clean-up, it is a mess, for example it has self references, assumptions and original research, which are not encyclopaedic. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 15:44, 30 December 2006 (CST)

:Keep in mind, before you make changes, that ''Battlestar Galactica'' is a work of fiction. The information in this encyclopedia is self-referencing sometimes because it is it's own universe. Much of the research involves [[BW:CJ#Derived content|derived content]], which is allowable if it is based on information provided by official information in the show. Be careful not to apply the original research processes os Wikipedia here; they do not fully apply. Please note what items you consider original research so all can review them and determine if the items are derived content or ''unsourced original research'', also known as [[BW:FANW|fanwanking]], which is not allowable here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:53, 30 December 2006 (CST)
::"We know that Battlestar Galactica's universe sticks to the same speed of light constant as real-world Earth (and the universe, of course): 186,282 miles per second." - Who is we? Is we me and the wiki, if so how do I know, how does we know? - Basically you should never use the word "we" here -- Self-referencing isn't just writing down text, an example of self-referencing would be an episode page.
:::"Given the velocities involved, extremely high accelerations must be used to attain them in reasonable (useable [''sic'']) time frames involved for in-system transportation. Such G forces would kill any humans involved unless some means of dampening them were employed. Given that the technology to perform "space-folding" FTL Jumps is also available, the technology to manipulate gravity would lie in the same area." - space-folding, when has space-folding been mentioned in the series?
::::Just two things that immediately jump out at me. This page reads like an essay to me at least. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 17:34, 1 January 2007 (CST)

:::I agree, Matthew. We can neutralize the writing to make it leas like an essay. If you don't get to it, I'll make the changes. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:37, 1 January 2007 (CST)

:::: About space-folding: While it hasn't been stated on screen, I recall an interview with Moore and/or Eick, where they said that they wanted to actually show the spacefolding effect in more detail, but couldn't get it to look good. So at the end they settled for the current effect. Or it might even be in "33" or "Miniseries" podcast. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:39, 2 January 2007 (CST)

:::::It was from the miniseries DVD commentary, I believe. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:00, 2 January 2007 (CST)

== 'What happened in "Scattered"' section ==

I've just deleted the entire "What happened in Scattered" section, as it was [[BW:FANW|fanwanking]]. [[User:Whalepelt|Whalepelt]] 20:14, 28 February 2007 (CST)
:I disagree. I think this still falls under derived content. It's more speculative than most articles, but in line with some others, especially in the science section. But it's not made-up outright, nor does it try to explain away inexplicable plotholes (which is what fanwanking is for me). Most it was deduction from a few lines in the episode (like needing to make new starfixes, and the relaying of the jump coordinates), together with some other FTL facts we know, like the need for computations and the concept of a [[blind jump]]. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:30, 1 March 2007 (CST)
::I {{support}} the deletion. I'm a big proponent of the science pages (having authored most of them), but as I re-read this section, I realized that there isn't any episode sourcing for the piece, however well-thought out. This section is truly fanwank; to be derived content, it has to know the procedures (not just supposed technical mechanics) of FTL navigation as explained in the show, and that hasn't been detailed in any episode at this time. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:10, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:::There are snippets of dialogue to back it up. There is the conversation between Saul and Ellen Tigh (referenced in the text), where he explains the basics. And there it's also said that jump plots are continually updated and that Gaeta forgot to send the new ones. So what happened? Something like a blind jump. They had a jump plot, but a wrong one and ended up in a random place unknown to ''Galactica''. We know that such jumps are possible, but they are unpredictable; exactly what happened here. Yeah, it could be sourced better, but the explanation doesn't come out of thin air. The last paragraph is pure speculation and not explained in the episode either, but it's the only possible explanation for what happened. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:30, 1 March 2007 (CST)
::::I see your point, although I don't think I can quantify it. Could you readd the relevant parts with supporting sources? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:45, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:::::Done, and it's better than before. I put the Tigh quote in a footnote, and made a clearer reference to blind jumps. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:37, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:::::I'm cool with it. Nice work! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:02, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== FTL jump calculations ==
*Elevation
*Rotation
*Distance

"Here, the dimension of distance would represent more than just a straight line, plotted through three-dimensional space but the amount of space curvature that the jump drive would have to fold."

Not true, they can just be [[w:Spherical_coordinate_system|Spherical coordinates]], which draws a line of length r (note the similar notation to radius), but with a specific orientation in space depending the angles θ and φ. No special space-folding math here.--[[User:DuMan|DuMan]] 16:28, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
:Mhh, true. Guess we can just change this to general coordinates, and say that they could be either cartesian or spherical. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:41, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

== No credit! ==

I went to ''all that trouble'' of witing about and calculating the time dilation, an addition that I originally made at [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] over a year ago, but now I find it on this page, and I am not in either page's edit history! What's up with that? I thought this was cc-''by''-sa. Where is my frakkin' credit?!! --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 05:26, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

:Oh, I guess I am still in the edit history at [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]]. I missed it. Anyway, wasn't really mad about it; just was looking for the time dilation info and couldn't find it on that page. --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 05:30, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

::Your contributions were probably moved over to this article when the original science article was split over several pages because it became too long and about too many topics (at least I think that's what happened). But technically we don't have page ownership here ;( --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:38, 26 August 2007 (CDT)
::Right, no page ownership, but attribution is required by the license. An editor's work is released to BSG wiki under the cc license, and BSG wiki releases it to others in the same way. But it doesn't matter, I was just making a big deal about it because I couldn't find the text when I wanted to. --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 07:03, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

== Triangulation ==

You say, "To calculate the approximate distance between the Colonies and Earth, using the map to the left, one must first get the distance between the Lagoon Nebula and Earth, 4,100 light-years. One must then determine the distance between the point labeled 'Earth' and the point labeled 'Lagoon Nebula.'" Well, that would be 4,100 light-years. You meant 'Colonies' and 'Lagoon Nebula' or 'Colonies' and 'Earth'. However, these distances are unknown, and so I don't see where the 10,250 light year estimate came from. --[[User:MHall|MHall]] 01:43, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== RCS ==

In Roslin's press conference in The Hand of God, Playa Palacios states that the fleet would be unable to perform basic combat manouveres without fuel. Since reaction control thrusters are used for ships to manouvere, and she is obviously referring to tylium by "fuel" (because tylium is the only thing the fleet salvages from the asteroid), does this mean that we can add that Colonial RCS systems are also fueled by refined tylium?--[[User:Rapturous|Rapturous]] 18:14, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

== Lion's Head Nebula / Constellation Leo ==

Inasmuch as the Fleet passes through the [[Lion's Head Nebula]] on the path toward [[Earth]], I note that a straight line drawn from the [[Wikipedia:Lagoon Nebula|Lagoon Nebula]] through the [[Wikipedia:Sol System|Sol System]] and continuing out toward the Galactic Edge passes through the constellation [[Wikipedia:Leo_%28constellation%29|Leo, the Lion]], which includes the intensely bright blue-white star [[Wikipedia:Regulus|Regulus {Alpha Leonis, "the Lion's Heart")]]. Does anyone know if this was intentional or is it an ironic coincidence? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 07:58, 5 November 2007 (CST)

User talk:Davidkevin

2007-02-13T01:06:48Z

Davidkevin: /* Core command */

== Use of the term "Actual" ==

"Actual", as in "''Galactica'' Actual" or "''Pegasus'' Actual" refers to a communication between one party and the '''''actual''''' commanding officer of the other party/entity, in '''''real time'''''. Instead of communication coming from the commanding officer, and being routed through the executive officer, then through a communications operator — the other party is, instead, talking to the '''''actual''''' CO directly. So the term "actual" is a radio or channel protocol, not a callsign. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 09:06, 17 March 2006 (CST)

: My misunderstanding. Thank you for the correction.

: [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 21:19, 19 March 2006 (CST)

== Core command==

Thank you for your contribution to the article [[Core command]]. Unfortunately, our [[BW:CITE|citation policy]] requires that contributions such as yours be sourced to a non-wiki location. In this case, merely blogging about your set visit off-site would be adequate - we just need a site that we can link to where a single author can take ownership of the comments in question, and to which other readers can be directed. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:58, 12 February 2007 (CST)

: No problem -- I have a LiveJournal, so I'll write up something later tonight or tomorrow to which I can link my article contribution. Thanks for the heads-up about that. -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 19:06, 12 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:Viper (TOS)/Archive 1

2007-02-13T00:39:04Z

Davidkevin:

Boy, a ''lot'' of this information is non-canon. Someone needs to go in here and note this.

:Stick it on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]] so we don't forget. -- [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:47, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:I've gone through and cleaned out all the fanon and unsourced information. If there's anything that I've missed, please feel free to clean up after me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:40, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

== "Breaking" flaps? ==

In context the phrase should be "braking flaps", not "breaking flaps". Is it deliberately misspelled that way in the original script and that's why it's worded that way here? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 18:39, 12 February 2007 (CST)

Core command

2007-02-13T00:19:15Z

Davidkevin: making clear that the helm/astrogation console has two seats

[[Image:CoreCommand.jpg|thumb|right|Omega reports scanner readings from the top tier of Core command ([[The Long Patrol]]).]]

'''Core Command''' is the central nerve center of a [[Colonial]] [[battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]]. It is the bridge of the ship, where the ship's commander oversees operations.

Egg-shaped, narrowing toward the bow, Core Command is separated into three tiers. The upper tier is a small rotating platform. It has a command chair and a keyboard and [[scanner]] setup. It is often manned by either [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], [[Tigh (TOS)|Tigh]], or [[Omega]] on ''Galactica''. The middle tier surrounds the room in a ring. There are various scanners and stations on this level. People walking into core command enter at the middle level. [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]] often mans a scanner at this level.

Also on the middle level immediately forward of the Command Chair is a two-place combined helm/astrogation console with joysticks (the same design as used in the [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] cockpit, including the Turbo, Aim, and Fire buttons) at both positions to steer the ''Galactica'' through the three spatial dimensions.

The starboard side of the middle level has a room extending outward from the level's circumference with a number of computer or communications consoles staffed by standing personnel -- these are not seated positions. The bottom tier is recessed in the middle of the room and is below the level of the forward window. There are several stations on this level. [[Rigel]] coordinates [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] launches from a station on this level.

During a battle, the commanding officer may order that [[Defensive shields|shields]] be activated, which drop to protect Core Command from direct attacks ([[The Living Legend, Part II]]).

== Behind the Scenes ==

The set for core command was the most expensive one used in the series, featuring over $500,000 U.S.D. worth of equipment provided by the measuring equipment manufacturer [http://www.tek.com Tektronix],<ref name="starlog aug 78">{{cite magazine|quotes= |last= Meyers |first= Richard |authorlink= |coauthors= |year= 1978 |month= August |title= Get Ready For... BATTLE STAR "GALACTICA" |magazine=Starlog |volume= |issue= |pages=52-53 |id= |url= |accessdate= }}</ref> including a large number of oscilloscopes. According to ''Battlestar Galactica'''s PR representative, Joe Santley, the computers were run by "a central computer and cued into the actors' lines".<ref name="starlog aug 78"/>

The helm/astrogation console had some working switches which altered patterns of lights on the console: these switches were protected with wire guards similar to those used in NASA Gemini and Apollo spacecraft. Keypads not actually connected to the "central computer" mentioned immediately above were molded solid from vacuum-formed plastic and could not be depressed. The use of vacuum-formed plastic also explained the non-depressible Turbo, Aim, and Fire buttons on the helm joysticks, as they were cast from the same mold as the Viper joysticks.

The set was entirely self-contained: when an actor walked into Core Command, he or she was literally walking in from bare soundstage ''outside'' the set -- the entrances to Core Command shown in the program were the only way to enter the set, and were wide enough to accomadate a camera, cinematographer, and camera operator.

There was no glass in the forward window so as to not to show mirror reflections of the studio lights. A black velvet curtain was "space" with varying-sized disks of glass-beaded reflective material glued to it for "stars". There was a roughly three-foot distance between the window opening and the curtain, leaving room for a catwalk: occasionally one could witness through the window a uniformed Universal Studios security guard on patrol walking between the window and the "stars"!

When not filming, a small A-folded sign saying "Don't sit here!" was left on the seat of the command chair.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Corecommandoverhead.jpg|An overhead view of Core command ([[Saga of a Star World]]).
</gallery>

== References ==

<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category:Galactica Areas]]
[[Category:Galactica Areas (TOS)]]
[[Category: TOS]]

Core command

2007-02-12T23:56:11Z

Davidkevin: Information from personal observation during visit to the set during the filming of "Greetings from Earth" in December 1978.

[[Image:CoreCommand.jpg|thumb|right|Omega reports scanner readings from the top tier of Core command ([[The Long Patrol]]).]]

'''Core Command''' is the central nerve center of a [[Colonial]] [[battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]]. It is the bridge of the ship, where the ship's commander oversees operations.

Egg-shaped, narrowing toward the bow, Core Command is separated into three tiers. The upper tier is a small rotating platform. It has a command chair and a keyboard and [[scanner]] setup. It is often manned by either [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], [[Tigh (TOS)|Tigh]], or [[Omega]] on ''Galactica''. The middle tier surrounds the room in a ring. There are various scanners and stations on this level. People walking into core command enter at the middle level. [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]] often mans a scanner at this level.

Also on the middle level immediately forward of the Command Chair is a combined helm/astrogation console which uses joysticks (the same design as used in the [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] cockpit, including the Turbo, Aim, and Fire buttons) to steer the ''Galactica'' through the three spatial dimensions.

The starboard side of the middle level has a room extending outward from the level's circumference with a number of computer or communications consoles staffed by standing personnel -- these are not seated positions. The bottom tier is recessed in the middle of the room and is below the level of the forward window. There are several stations on this level. [[Rigel]] coordinates [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] launches from a station on this level.

During a battle, the commanding officer may order that [[Defensive shields|shields]] be activated, which drop to protect Core Command from direct attacks ([[The Living Legend, Part II]]).

== Behind the Scenes ==

The set for core command was the most expensive one used in the series, featuring over $500,000 U.S.D. worth of equipment provided by the measuring equipment manufacturer [http://www.tek.com Tektronix],<ref name="starlog aug 78">{{cite magazine|quotes= |last= Meyers |first= Richard |authorlink= |coauthors= |year= 1978 |month= August |title= Get Ready For... BATTLE STAR "GALACTICA" |magazine=Starlog |volume= |issue= |pages=52-53 |id= |url= |accessdate= }}</ref> including a large number of oscilloscopes. According to ''Battlestar Galactica'''s PR representative, Joe Santley, the computers were run by "a central computer and cued into the actors' lines".<ref name="starlog aug 78"/>

The helm/astrogation console had some working switches which altered patterns of lights on the console: these switches were protected with wire guards similar to those used in NASA Gemini and Apollo spacecraft. Keypads not actually connected to the "central computer" mentioned immediately above were molded solid from vacuum-formed plastic and could not be depressed. The use of vacuum-formed plastic also explained the non-depressible Turbo, Aim, and Fire buttons on the helm joysticks, as they were cast from the same mold as the Viper joysticks.

The set was entirely self-contained: when an actor walked into Core Command, he or she was literally walking in from bare soundstage ''outside'' the set -- the entrances to Core Command shown in the program were the only way to enter the set, and were wide enough to accomadate a camera, cinematographer, and camera operator.

There was no glass in the forward window so as to not to show mirror reflections of the studio lights. A black velvet curtain was "space" with varying-sized disks of glass-beaded reflective material glued to it for "stars". There was a roughly three-foot distance between the window opening and the curtain, leaving room for a catwalk: occasionally one could witness through the window a uniformed Universal Studios security guard on patrol walking between the window and the "stars"!

When not filming, a small A-folded sign saying "Don't sit here!" was left on the seat of the command chair.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Corecommandoverhead.jpg|An overhead view of Core command ([[Saga of a Star World]]).
</gallery>

== References ==

<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category:Galactica Areas]]
[[Category:Galactica Areas (TOS)]]
[[Category: TOS]]

The Eye of Jupiter

2006-12-09T05:32:20Z

Davidkevin: /* Questions */ "infer" and "imply" are not the same

{{spoiler}}

{{Episode Data
| title= The Eye of Jupiter
| image=Season 3 - Promo - Eye of Jupiter - AndersHilliardBaroly.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 11
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= December 15, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= ?
| prev= [[The Passage]]
| next= [[Rapture]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''The crew of Galactica makes a stop at the barren Algae planet. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/the-eye-of-jupiter-1/episode/822638/summary.html |title=The Eye of Jupiter }}</ref>''

: '''[[The Temple of Five]]''' is discovered, leading to a standoff between the Cylons and the Colonials over the '''Eye of Jupiter'''. Also: the Cylons bring news about Sharon's baby. - ''TV Guide''

''Logline: The possible discovery of the Eye of Jupiter on the algae planet leads to a deadly stand-off, as the Cylons and humans risk all for a chance to find the way to Earth.

While working on the algae planet, Tyrol (Aaron Douglas) discovers the Temple of Five, reputed to be the home of the [[Eye of Jupiter]], which will guide the ones who discover it to Earth. His report is intercepted by the Cylons, who request a meeting with Adama (Edward James Olmos) and Laura (Mary McDonnell). Their proposal: let us have the Eye and we will let you leave unharmed. Adama's counter-proposal: make any move to take the Eye and we'll nuke the planet.

The Cylons bring another piece of news: Sharon (Grace Park) and Helo's (Tahmoh Penikett) baby is alive, but not well. Sharon is initially skeptical, but when Adama confirms that Laura hid the baby at her school, she and Tyrol begin to make plans to rescue her.

As the standoff continues, tensions rise in both camps. On the Cylon baseship, D'Anna's (Lucy Lawless) sense that she and Baltar (James Callis) share a destiny that might not include the others sows dissension, while on the algae planet, efforts to protect the Eye are complicated by Lee's simmering affair with Kara (Katee Sackhoff), especially since Lee (Jamie Bamber) is counting on Anders (Michael Trucco), Kara's husband, to rally the civilians to the cause. Then the Cylons launch a flight of raiders, bound for the algae planet, forcing Adama to show he's not bluffing. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://screenings.tvguide.com/programs/detail/4|title=TV Guide Exclusive }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

== Questions ==

* This episode title is peculiar. After the fall of the Greeks to the Romans in ancient real-world Earth history, the Romans adapted the Olympian pantheon of gods but changed names and some of their stories. The leader, [[Zeus]], became Jupiter, and [[Hera, Lord of Kobol|Hera]] become Juno. Does this mean that there are Roman-like mythological parallels/influences within the Twelve Colonies?
** While the title reference could be for the ''planet'' [[wikipedia:Jupiter (planet)|Jupiter]], this implies that the Twelve Colonies know of the nature of Earth's solar system. This is unlikely since they still haven't a clue of the exact location. However, the fact that the [[Tomb of Athena]]'s hologram appears to be created from data that could only come from someone that noted the stellar positioning from Earth, this could suggest that the planet's name is of Earth origin (see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]]).
** The [[Mercury class battlestar]] is another odd occurance of Roman mythos in the Re-imagined Series, as Hermes is the Greek name of this flying god.
** [[Mars Day]] is also another odd occurance, as Mars is the Roman name of the Greek god [[Ares]].

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==
*According to an [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/ interview] with executive producer [[David Eick]], the mid-season cliffhanger story, spanning episodes 10 and 11, will center on "discovering the next big clue on the road to Earth."
*There will be a mid-season break between episodes 10 and 11. However it will not be as long as the hiatus between "[[Pegasus]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]": while that mid-season break lasted four months, this is a normal mid-season Christmas break which will last a single month.
*According to a [http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/news.html news report], this episode is being filmed in [[Wikipedia:Kamloops, British Columbia|Kamloops, British Columbia]], not Vancouver (and is considered a big economic boon to Kamloops as a result). The episode takes place on an unnamed planet that the Fleet encounters. According to [[Jamie Bamber]], the Fleet is still in search of Earth, but food supplies have started to run desperately low. ''Galactica'' encounters a planet capable of supporting life, so Apollo is sent with a team to the surface to set up base camp and scout it out to investigate possible food sources. However, the Cylons then arrive, resulting in "a pitched battle" between the Colonial ground team and Cylon Centurions. [[Aaron Douglas]] (Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]) and [[Nicki Clyne]] ([[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]) are also present in this episode in scenes with Bamber, meaning their characters will survive at least this long into season 3.
*Another [http://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=15&cat=44&id=702286&more= report] has revealed that [[Michael Trucco]] ([[Samuel Anders]]) appears in this episode, which means he survives this far into season 3.
== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[imdb:nm1052369|Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Unfinished Business

2006-12-09T05:19:21Z

Davidkevin: /* Summary */ less awkward phrasing, punctuation

{{Episode Data
| title= Unfinished Business
| image= Season 3 - Promo - Unfinished Business - Lee and Helo.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 9
| guests=
| writer= [[Michael Taylor]]
| story=
| director= [[Robert Young]]
| production= 309
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-12-01
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,422
| prev= [[Hero]]
| next= [[The Passage]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''Admiral Adama re-institutes a military tradition onboard Colonial warships, in which crewmembers disregard rank and fight each other in a boxing ring to relieve tensions aboard ship—tensions which have existed since ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' discovered [[New Caprica]].''

== Summary ==

*The episode begins on ''[[Galactica]]'' in a boxing ring, where [[Helo]] and [[Lee Adama]] are exchanging blows. Helo has the advantage, but comments that the major is giving him a rough fight.
*Several flashbacks occur where we see [[Lee Adama]] waking up on a planetary surface, bare chested; he sits up slightly, looking around with a confused look on his face.
*[[Kara Thrace]] and [[Samuel Anders]] finish making love, but when Anders broaches the subject of repairing their marriage, she rebuffs him and leaves her officer's [[duty locker]], throwing the "in use" boots back inside the locker's door.
*Thrace is seen in a flashback, lying outside, her head on a man's bare chest, suddenly startled and frightened.
*[[Lee Adama]] is losing his fight as he is distracted by memories of seventeen months ago, or eight months prior to New Caprica's [[Cylon Occupation Authority|occupation]]. Eventually, Dr. [[Cottle]], who has been enjoying the fight while monitoring the damage of each boxer, removes Adama from the fight, leaving Helo with the win as [[Saul Tigh]], acting as the referee, calls the match.
*Flashbacks show Lee Adama boarding a [[Raptor]] and passionately kissing [[Anastasia Dualla]].
*Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] arrives to watch the match, as does Thrace, from separate sides of the ring. Thrace comments that a couple of months ago you would have had to roll Apollo into the ring.
*[[Laura Roslin]] greets Admiral Adama and happily tells him of her father's joy of boxing, which she has inherited.
*Another flashback occurs, with [[Admiral Adama]] sitting on [[New Caprica]], his uniform tunic open. He is relaxed and enjoying the moment. Roslin appears and sits by him. Adama compliments her on the color of her dress, while obviously observing her figure as well. She smiles and notices his relaxation, with the sand between his toes. While he corrects her that the soil was "alluvial deposits" from a former river mouth, not sand, Roslin corrects herself but not without another joke about Adama letting his guard down in the beauty of the moment. She says it is good to see him, and he returns the compliment as she squeezes his arm.
*Roslin and Adama, in the present, appear to show the same look of a close friendship while the boxing transitions to [[Hot Dog]], who unwisely challenges Thrace to a match. Hot Dog initially lands a few blows before Thrace KO's the cocky pilot.
*Several flashbacks occur where Thrace, Lee Adama, and Dualla are seen at a dance.
*Another flashback shows Saul Tigh enjoying time with his wife, [[Ellen Tigh]].
*Another flashback with Roslin and Adama, who are drinking alcohol, [[New Caprican loco weed|smoking a psychoactive native plant]], and relaxing together. Their conversation continues.
*Adama recalls when [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] requests that he and [[Cally Tyrol|his wife]] muster out of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|ship's fleet]] to have their [[Nicholas Tyrol|child]] on New Caprica. Adama flatly denies the request, citing Tyrol's obligation to the fleet.
*A later flashback shows Tyrol attempting to convince his wife that staying on ''Galactica'' would not be so bad, while the scene changes to Adama and Roslin on the planet, as she discusses how important it was for many people to get on with a regular life.
*Adama changes his mind and accepts Tyrol's request to muster from the service, but appears hurt behind the smile he presents.
*Admiral Adama hands his glasses to Roslin and tosses his tags into the box. He challenges Tyrol to a match: "Chief, get your fat, lazy ass up here."
*Flashing back, Adama and Roslin lie together outside, watching the night sky. Later, she snuggles closer to his shoulder, her hand on his chest. Both are quite comfortable, and Adama notes briefly how comfortable he was with Roslin so physically close and with the stars overhead.
*Roslin questions whether if this will all last -- the colony, and their respite from the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons']] chase. She happily resigns herself to the fact that, no matter what the future holds, the present is good to have.
*Admiral Adama's boxing match gets ugly when Adama cold-cocks Tyrol (who has his back turned) as soon as the horn sounds to start the match. Adama appears very edgy.
*The match continues, but Tyrol's anger and youth begins to edge over Adama's experience. During the round's break, Roslin enters the ring, trying to get Adama to quit, but when he refuses, gives him no-nonsense boxing advice. Adama states that he can't win this fight, but doesn't necessarily imply that trying to win is his objective.
*Another flashback, with Thrace and Lee Adama, who are both drunk. Dualla is aboard ship, and Thrace has literally drank Anders, now unconscious, under a nearby table. The two former [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilots exchange intimate words and soon find themselves outside of camp, getting very intimate.
*Lee Adama and Kara Thrace have a gratifying sexual session. Afterwards, Adama suggests that they each break up with their respective lovers to become a couple themselves. Adama gets up and happily yells into the nighttime sky that he loves Thrace. Adama urges the giggling and embarrassed Thrace to return the gesture into the sky and that he will continue to yell until she does. In less than full volume, Thrace finally somewhat hesistently yells that "Kara Thrace loves Lee Adama." They then return to lovemaking.
*Thrace awakens, confused, and leaves the area, leaving Adama to awaken some time later, alone.
*Lee Adama returns to camp, where his father tells him that Thrace had found a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Clergy|priest]] and had married Anders earlier that morning. The young Adama is visibly shaken.
*Lee Adama encounters Thrace and Anders. Adama is still visibly upset but hides it long enough to shake hands with Anders in congratulation and to wish him luck, saying "You're going to need it."
*Recalling the reason for Lee Adama's passion, viewers see Adama and Dualla kissing on the Raptor once more.
*In the present in the boxing ring, Admiral Adama is overcome by Tyrol's fight and is knocked to the mat. Everyone watching is silent in concern, and Tyrol helps the admiral up. With blood streaming down both cheeks, Adama speaks to the crowd, saying that over the last year he had let his crew, his family, become too close, relaxing their mandate and responisibility to the safety of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. He notes that his weakness led to the loss of lives. Adama wearily informs the crowd that such lax operations will now cease, and leaves the ring, escorted by Dr. Cottle, Roslin, and her entourage.
*The enthusiasm for boxing has been extinguished by Adama's speech, and Tigh calls it off and dismisses the group. Regardless, Thrace challenges Lee Adama to a match by name-calling and an exchange of blows.
*In the ring, with no referee, Major Adama initially takes it easy, but a few well placed blows from Thrace dispatch Adama's reticence. The two begin to bludgeon each other, Thrace adding a kickboxing element to kick Adama and keep him off-balance.
*Anders shows up at the boxing ring to see his wife, Thrace, fighting Adama. As soon as he arrives he asks Dualla, who looks very upset, "What are they doing?" Dualla answers with "What does it look like they're doing?" Anders comments, "It looks like they're trying to kill each other."
*The match soon degenerates into something that the crowd does not enjoy, and many begin to leave. Anders and Dualla stand together, watching the match with no small amount of disappointment, aware of the dark mood between Adama and Thrace, and its history. Anders tells Dualla "I'm outta here," and leaves.
*Too tired and beaten to fully continue fighting, Thrace and Adama fall together in a boxer's hug. Thrace whispers into Adama's ear, "I missed you," and Adama returns the message in kind.

== Questions ==

* What will occur now that Kara Thrace and Lee Adama have begun to mend fences?
* What will be the fallout, if any, in Thrace's and Adama's current marriages?
* Now that Adama admits to letting the crew get too close to him, will he be harder and stricter on his crew?
* Did Adama and Roslin have a more intimate encounter than was shown?

== Analysis ==
*This episode confirms what caused the rift between Kara Thrace and Lee Adama. Thrace avoids the notion of feeling too close with Adama by marrying Anders, and Adama returns to Dualla and soon takes to overeating.
**From Thrace's remarks about how Lee Adama doesn't know "when to make his move and when to pull back", it's also possible that she does not feel the same way towards him as he does towards her.
*On New Caprica, Adama and Roslin are as relaxed with each other as the two leaders could be, not necessarily chasing romance, but allowing themselves a moment of mutual relaxation, physical closeness, and contemplation. This level of open affection may have seemed more permissible due to Roslin's status as a private citizen during the Baltar administration, although the two appear to remain good friends even in the present.
*Adama made a similar declaration about tightening military discipline when ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' arrived, and immediately thereafter almost started a civil war in an effort to rescue Tyrol and Helo. The inability to maintain emotional detachment from his subordinates has repeatedly proven to be a strong personality trait of his, and it is questionable whether he will be able to manage detachment this time, or for very long. This trait can also be seen in the episode "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]" where he risks the whole fleet to save just one pilot - Starbuck.
**Also present in his speech was the continued conviction that that the disasters that have befallen humanity can be placed on his shoulders. This sense of guilt seems likely to keep haunting him for the foreseeable future.
*This is the first episode thus far to make New Caprica look like a pleasant place to live. Every other episode on-planet has shown it to be dreary and spartan.
**It is possible that this dramatic change on-screen merely depicts a seasonal change in terms of weather patterns.
*Ships are seen flying in heavy power generation equipment of some kind, suggesting that this and many other colonization resources that were too large to retrieve during the [[Second Exodus]] were later abandoned on New Caprica, foretelling an eventual supply shortage.
*Kara Thrace does not feel obligated to follow rules of engagement when she starts to lose. During her fight with Lee Adama, once it becomes obvious that she stands a good chance of losing she quickly begins using armlocks and kicks to gain an advantage. Once knocked to the ground, she sweeps Adama's legs out from under him. Adama responds by using a grappling hold on Thrace, placing her into a headlock. This is reminiscent of Starbuck's expressed attitude in "[[Scar]]" that war is not bound by ideas of honor or fair play.
**It should be clarified that Thrace and Adama's fight takes place after the boxing tournament is officially closed. No referee is in the ring, and no bells are rung to signify rounds, making their bout something of an unregulated fight in any case.
*The [[Fleet]] population count has risen by one since "[[Hero]]." This is almost certainly not [[Daniel Novacek]], since his arrival in the teaser act of the previous episode is accounted for in the population count in that episode; similarly, the nearly 1,700 member crew of the ''[[Pegasus]]'' are instantly added once they are discovered. It is possible that the on-screen figures are more realistic this season, incorporating births and deaths that would naturally continue to happen anywhere but would not be depicted on-screen.

== Notes ==

*According to the [[Podcast:Unfinished Business|podcast]], Adama and Roslin are smoking a psychoactive drug on New Caprica. The act of drinking and smoking simultaneously is, perhaps not coincidentally, a pastime for [[Ron D. Moore]] as he speaks during his podcasts.
*The fights shown (and the winners) are: Helo vs. Apollo (Helo), Starbuck and Hot Dog (Starbuck), Kat and Seelix (Kat), Tyrol and W. Adama (Tyrol) (albeit it is a strong possibility that W. Adama deliberately threw the fight), Apollo and Starbuck (draw). One other fight is shown with two unidentified male members of the crew.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''After his fight with Chief Tyrol'':
:'''Admiral Adama''': When you step on this deck, you be ready to fight, or you dishonor the reason why we're here. Now remember this; When you fight a man, he's not your friend. Same goes when you lead men. I forgot that once. I let you get too close, all of you. I dropped my guard. I gave some of you breaks, let some of you go, before the fight was really over. I let this crew and this family disband, and we paid the price in lives. That can't happen again.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Constanza]]
* [[Christian Tessier]] as [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
* [[Jen Halley]] as [[Seelix]]
* [[Don Thompson]] as [[Anthony Figurski]]

== References ==
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User talk:Davidkevin

2006-03-20T03:19:39Z

Davidkevin: /* Use of the term "Actual" */

Talk:CIC/Archive 1

2006-03-17T10:25:46Z

Davidkevin: TOS Bridge

I thought it was "COMBAT Information Center"; can this page be changed? --Ricimer, 26 Aug 2005

==Expansion==
I'm flagging this for expansion. There's a lot of information on scifi.com that we should incorporate, including a detailed floorplan. We should get some words about ''Pegasus's'' CIC up as well. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:55, 18 October 2005 (EDT)
:There is a little about the origin of the Pegasus sets on its article page as well. Perhaps with Resurrection Ship and later episodes we will gain more. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:52, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

Expansion is complete, using the [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ships/cic/ QuickTime 3D movie tours of the set] that allowed me to take a picture of CIC from practically any angle. While Sci-Fi Channel's information should always be taken with a grain of salt (the viewer area incorrectly calls CIC the "''Command'' Information Center"), it would be hard to screw up the pictures that make up CIC, and the names of the stations appear sound and match better to the previous labels from the previous incarnation of this page. Formatting was done to allow later text expansion and minimize picture collisions. I removed episode information as much of it was covered in other articles. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:59, 5 January 2006 (EST)

== Help with Image Formatting Here ==

CIC is a very visual place. My recent updates to expand this push my own wiki formatting limits. Day removed the use of breaks I made to keep text from awkwardly colliding about in one sectioon, damaging the asthetics of the page. I reverted that change for now, but any help to improve this page's formatting is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:17, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:If you look at the [[User:Steelviper/IslandofMisfitImages/|Island]], Day demonstrated how you can use "div" tags to set up partitions/divisions between sections to make sure that they do not overlap. Is this what you were trying to do? (Also, if you use the / in the breaks Day is more likely to leave them alone... he's the XHTML enforcer, apparently.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:15, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::That he is! :) I'll look at how that's used and incorporate the idea from the Island. So, are you the lion king? I want to be the Cylon-in-the-box. Nobody wants a Cylon-in-the-box... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:49, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:::Those dividers look sharp! I posted that same kind of formatting question on the island, and Day responded by filling in those div tags. I'm glad his tip worked here too. As for my title, I think somebody once proclaimed me the King of the TOS pages. El Rey de Los Paginas de Serie Original feels a bit more appropriate right now, but I think I'm just experimenting in the translating business until somebody who knows what they're doing gets fed up with how bad that is and replaces it with some proper Spanish. As for your title... perhaps the Battlestar Wiki Greeter? (Though you don't seem quite old enough to have taken on that role, if the age requirements are anything like Walmart.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:07, 24 January 2006 (EST)

::::For you, alternately, "El Supremo." :) You are authorized to shoot anyone (including yourself) in regards to inquiries about me and how it compares to WalMart greeting functions in the future. Damn it, I'm not that old...I'm not...! (snif) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:23, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:::::By your command. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:10, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Yes! Very sharp! Also, entirely XHTML 1.0 Transitional compliant! *wink* I'm a bit of a [http://validator.w3.org/ validation] nazi because of my experience with being the web guy for [http://www.texassportsweekly.com Texas Sports Weekly]. I'll try to keep my [http://www.w3.org/ W3C]-heiling down to a dull roar, though. Not everyone is as obsessive-compulsive as I am about it. Anyway, I'm glad that div thing works so well. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:14, 25 January 2006 (EST)

== Cinematic Information Confusion ==

I'm having a great deal of difficulty parsing the last "Cinematic Information" bullet, specifically
:The area was likely built with the set budget before later restrictions would make building one impossible

I get that the (stage) area was likely built with the budget for the BSG set. That makes so much sense it's almost redundant. What about "before later restrictions"? Does that maybe have to do with the set budget being reduced in the future? Or some sort of imminent OSHA regulation that would prevent the set's alteration on the sound stage? Or something else?

So I guess I wonder what kind of "restrictions" the writer is talking about, and why "later". ("Later" in reference to what time?)

One thing that makes sense is that the Weapons Control Room needed to be seen in the miniseries or else there would be continuity problems in the regular series, should the show be picked up. But that isn't insurmountable; problems of that nature can usually be dealt with by writing a brief "remodeling" story into the screenplay.

Additionally, it's actually called the The Weapons Control ''Room'' above, but ''Section'' here. Though I suppose one can consider the terms close enough to be equal. --[[User:JohnH]] 19:25, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

: In [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]] for the [[MemoryAlpha:Encounter at Farpoint|first episode]] they wrote in a scene to occur in Engineering because if they didn't build that set for the pilot, no later budget ''increase'' would allow for the set to be built. Roddenberry though that was a travesty, so he wrote it in after the script was already done.

:That's just an example, but, as I understand it, when a show is new, it gets a big budget for building sets, but for subsequent seasons, the budget is reduced (justified, I suppose, by the idea that most of the sets are already built). Also, how beleivable would a "remodeling" plot be aboard ''Galactica''? The ship's already built. All the space inside the frame is alotted to something. When things like this need expanding, they go into dry dock. I don't think they've got the infrastructure to do much remodeling at all. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:22, 1 February 2006 (EST)

::Day's example is EXACTLY the situation I was thinking of when adding that. It's a presumption for BSG, but a likely one. As far as naming, the CIC tour uses section normally, but Weapons Control Room is the term used in the CIC tour. Of course, Sci-Fi also calls CIC incorrectly as the Command Information Center, so... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:22, 3 February 2006 (EST)

== TOS Bridge ==

Does anyone plan to do an equivalent article about the Original Series control center?

[[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 04:25, 17 March 2006 (CST)

Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II

2006-03-17T10:03:32Z

Davidkevin: /* Questions */ What were the workers being asked to do which was so "odious"?

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| Title= Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 20
| Guests= [[Richard Hatch]] ([[Tom Zarek]])<br>[[Kate Vernon]] ([[Ellen Tigh]])<br>[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] ([[Cavil|Brother Cavil]])
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm1093194|Anne Cofell Saunders]], [[IMDB:nm0894156|Mark Verheiden]]
| Story=
| Director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate= March 10, 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population= 49,550
| Prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
| Next= TBA
}}

== Overview ==

: ''Everything turns on its head as the survivors vote for a new president -- and vote for their fate.''

== Summary ==

===On Caprica===

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], the marines, and the [[resistance (movement)|resistance]] continue to take fire from Cylon centurions and artillery. They make their way up a hill, and hold their position.
*The Cylons hold fire, and Sharon remarks that the Cylons will attempt to capture them with non-lethal weapons, such as gas.
*Eighteen hours later, they emerge to find that the Cylons have disappeared. [[Cavil]] -- who suddenly appears behind them -- announces that the Cylons have left the Twelve Colonies and that humanity was spared.

===In the Fleet===

*[[Cally]] is cleared back to work by [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]], despite having her jaw wired shut. [[Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] visits her, apologizing for the attack. Cally forgives him, saying that she's always cared for him.

*[[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]] continues to gain in the polls. On ''[[Colonial One]]'', Tory mentions there's always a victory plan. [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] later calls a private meeting with Dr. Baltar, asking to deliver a joint statement of [[Wikipedia:Table (verb)|tabling]] the issue of colonization until after the election, which Baltar rejects.

*[[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], fearing that she has indeed lost the presidential race, confronts [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] on whether he was with Six on Caprica before the Cylon attack. Baltar avoids answering the question & states that he may have saved her life, but he will not save her political life.

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] returns to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', with the resistance fighters, much to the delight of Admiral Adama. She mentions the fact that the Cylons have left Caprica, and a man appearing to be Brother Cavil confirms it. He also says he has a message, but is attacked by Chief Tyrol, who declares a "[[Code blue]]," claiming Cavil is a Cylon. Both Cavil and Caprica-Sharon are escorted to the brig under marine guard.

*The other Cavil (from last episode) is also taken to the brig, claiming he's not a Cylon, but changes his tune upon seeing his "brother", as he calls him. Both Cavils then talk about the fact that the “war heroes” (Caprica Six & ''Galactica''-Sharon) have talked about how the attack of the colonies and the pursuit of the fleet were mistakes. They were told to relay the message that man and Cylon will go their separate ways. Both Roslin and Admiral Adama are less than trusting regarding the message.

*In the brig, Caprica-Sharon is completely disillusioned and nihilistic, declaring that since her child's death, nothing - not Adama's trust, not even Helo - matters to her. A frustrated Helo insists that he's not giving up on her, but she seems disinclined to listen.

*Starbuck and Anders are getting extremely drunk when Apollo comes in to welcome them back. Starbuck makes a snide remark about Apollo and Dualla and goes back to drunkenly making out with Anders. Apollo, clearly upset with Starbuck, leaves without saying much.

*Election Day has arrived and Baltar has an apparent five thousand-vote lead over Roslin with only a few ships left. On ''Colonial One'', Tory makes a call to ''Galactica'', putting a plan into action.

*Amazingly, Roslin initially appears to have retained the presidency. While most are celebrating, Lt. Gaeta makes a startling discovery regarding the votes, and informs the Admiral that Col. Tigh may be involved in a conspiracy to throw the election.

*Admiral Adama confronts Roslin regarding the conspiracy, saying he has a confession to rig the vote. Roslin admits her involvement and Adama is disappointed.

*Baltar is informed of his election as President. He's less than pleased, vowing to have full investigation in time. President-elect Baltar then orders a course for “New Caprica”.

*[[Gaius Baltar]] is sworn in as the new President of the Twelve Colonies, and orders the immediate colonization of New Caprica.

*''[[Cloud 9]]'' is destroyed by a nuclear blast, Gina being present before the explosion; in addition to the ''Cloud 9'', at least three other ships are destroyed in the blast. Admiral Adama reports to the president that this may be a Cylon attack, but Baltar ignores him and presses forward with colonization.

===One Year Later===
[[image:burdens2.jpg|Kara and Cottle on New Caprica.|thumb]]
*[[Felix Gaeta|Mr. Gaeta]] is reporting to the President regarding a Union issue aboard Colonial One, now down on the planet. Baltar is upset, saying there have been no Cylon attacks but the people still complain. He has regressed, turning to alcohol, medication, and womanizing.

*Admiral Adama, now sporting a mustache, is walking around the near-empty Galactica, which is quickly falling into disarray. Over half of the crew have moved down onto the planet, and they are running on such a skeleton crew that they barely have enough pilots to fly training missions, much less a good CAP. Adama has a discussion with Tigh about going down to the planet, which Tigh reluctantly agrees to do.

*[[Samuel Anders|Anders]], now Kara’s husband, has pneumonia. Dr. Cottle is unable to treat Anders because there are no antibiotics available. He can only advise Kara to make sure Anders gets enough rest and with a little luck he "should" pull through.

*Kara runs into the Tighs as [[Tyrol]], now a union boss, is making a speech to begin a strike, with a very pregnant Cally by his side. Saul mentions that ''Pegasus'' keeps the backup medical supplies and that Apollo would spring some for Starbuck. Starbuck disagrees, which prompts Tigh to state that Apollo should be "over that by now".

*Roslin is doing what she does best, teaching the settlement's children, and manages to find enjoyment in her new position. [[Maya]] is with her, as is the now one year old [[Hera]], whom Maya has named "Isis".

*Kara calls Lee aboard ''Pegasus'', requesting the antibiotics. Dualla, now an officer and most likely Lee's XO, notices something on the [[DRADIS]].

*A fleet of [[Cylon]] [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s arrive in orbit around New Caprica. The Adamas discuss what to do in response, with Lee initially advocating that the fleet jump away, and Admiral Adama initially resisting the suggestion. However, Lee apparently brings the Admiral around to his way of thinking (or Admiral Adama comes to the conclusion on his own) when [[Helo]] asks if alert fighters should be launched. Admiral Adama keeps the alert fighters in and jumps the fleet ships remaining in orbit around [[New Caprica]] to an unknown location, vowing that he will return.

*Mr. Gaeta informs the President of the Cylon approach. Later, before his assembled staff, copies of Numbers [[Number Five|5]], [[Number Eight|8]], and [[Number Six|6]] approach the President. The Cylons declare that as long as there’s no resistance, no harm will come. President Baltar, after learning that the Cylons discovered New Caprica because of the nuke explosion set off by Gina, declares surrender on behalf of the colonists. As Cylon armies occupy the planet, Kara vows to resist.

== Questions ==

*Who is Baltar's vice president?
*What "number" is Cavil?
*Was Roslin's threat to put the two Cavils into space actually carried out?
*Where did the defense fleet jump to?
*Where is Caprica-Sharon?
*What happened to Zarek?
*Why is Leoben looking for Starbuck, specifically?
*Why has the population (until Tyrol's recent union speech) accepted Baltar's imperious rule? People were hardly so passive under Roslin. Indeed, Adama executed a military coup over a rather less important issue than giving a nuclear weapon to a Cylon agent.
*What were the workers being asked to do which was so "odious", "so sick[ening] at heart" that Tyrol was willing to call a general strike, and so important to Baltar that he was willing to use illegal imprisonment to break it?
*Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica''-Sharon]]?
*Where did the Cylon fleets go, after they left the Twelve Colonies? Cavil was deliberately vague when asked if they simply returned to the [[Cylon homeworld]].
*Did the nuclear bomb ever get picked up by the fleet's radiological alarms?
*How many people died in the Cloud Nine explosion? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*Were the Quorum of Twelve killed on the Cloud Nine?
*When Gina-Six was instantly vaporized due to being only two feet from a nuclear detonation, did she still transmit her consciousness? Was she even capable of transmitting considering that any internal hardware responsible for this task would have been instantly destroyed?
*Given Roslin's memories of Baltar with Six, why didn't Admiral Adama suspect Baltar of handing over the nuke to the cylons? If he did suspect him, why not act on it?
*Did the events of "One Year Later" actually happen, or were they a dream or vision sequence given to Baltar?
*Did Baltar's internal Six disappear at any point during the New Caprica year? If so, when and why? If so, did the events of her disappearance contribute to Baltar's regression?
*Why was it so easy for Adama to hide the collusion of the rigged election from the press, and why were there no consequences?
*If the Cylons really left the Twelve Colonies, leaving behind a nuked-out wasteland, what happened to all of the human captives in the [[Farms]]?
*Why have the Cylons returned after suggesting that they were willing to go their "separate ways"?
*Did the Cavils lie about the pursuit of humanity being a mistake? Or were they telling the truth?
*Will the Cylons resume their pursuit of the Fleet?
*How many people are left in the Fleet? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*Will the Adamas resort to Cain's tactic of conscripting civilians to fill the gaps?
*What happened between Apollo and Starbuck?
*What led to Starbuck's reconciliation with Col. Tigh? The two had been in conflict since the [[Miniseries]], what led them to bury the hatchet and become the close friends they now appear to be?
*Has it become public knowledge that Baltar killed [[Crashdown]] on [[Kobol]]? Now that Chief and Cally are Baltar's open adversaries they could attempt to use this information against him.
*When Adama informs Baltar that the nuke used to blow up [[Cloud Nine]] was probably stolen form Gaius' lab, why is he not suspicious about the fact that Baltar never reported that it was missing? Had it really been stolen from his lab, he would surely notice.
*Are the Cylons that appear at the end representative of the whole Cylon race, or are they a faction that broke off after the two "Cylon Hereos" began to speak out against the war on the humans?
*If it is true that the Cylons now believe the attack on humanity was a mistake, is the occupation on New Caprica viewed by the Cylons as an act of mercy and kindness vs. oppression from the human perspective?

== Analysis ==
*The events of the Cylon invasion of New Caprica closely parallel the Nazi invasion of France, with the fleet's escape a parallel to the Allied evacuation of Dunkirk and Baltar's surrender a parallel to Petain's surrender. If the parallel continues, Baltar will establish a puppet regime under Cylon rule akin to Vichy France while Colonials still loyal to humanity will establish a resistance movement.
*Baltar's arrogance seems to have led to corrupt rule during his year on New Caprica—he replaces Roslin's modest desk with a larger, elaborate one, replaces the population count whiteboard with a portrait of himself, and keeps a harem aboard the landed Colonial One.
*After a whole year, everyone is still living in tents. There is a vital shortage of medicine, the military is of no use, and labor conditions are apparently intolerable. Baltar's administration is apparently as incompetent as Roslin feared.
**It is not clear whether these conditions are the result of admimistrative incompetence or the inherent difficulties of colonizing a marginally habitable planet.
***Of course, it was Baltar's idea to settle on a marginally habitable planet in the first place.
*It's ironic that the obligations of duty keep Lee Adama aboard Pegasus while everyone else goes planetside—he is a reserve officer, and promised to build his pilots a bar as soon as they found a habitable planet.
**Who says he didn't build a bar for them? However, despite building a bar, he would still command the Pegasus.
*Ron Moore has once again decided to play with viewer's expectations; in the podcast for "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" Moore commented on how everyone assumed that ''Pegasus'' would be destroyed by the end of the episode, and thus he thought it would be a good twist to keep ''Pegasus'' alive as another ship in the Fleet. Here, many viewers assumed that the nuke that Baltar gave to Gina in "[[Epiphanies]]" would be used to destroy ''Pegasus'' this time, but it wasn't.
*29 people died between this episode and the preceding one? One or two Raptors were lost, and some Marines died on Caprica, but that doesn't seem high enough.
**Is it possible they took out all of the people who left in the raptors because they were not apart of the fleet at the end of the previous episode?
***They didn't remove Starbuck from the count when she left for Caprica at the beginning of Season 2.
****She left at the end of season one, before they started the count. But, they did not add her to the count when she returned with Helo, because the count rose by one.
**Maybe more people died during the attack on Caprica than was shown.
***Yet another possibility is the inclusion of the Caprica survivors in the count to offset many of the losses that had incurred in the rescue mission.
***Although they didn't actually talk about the losses, there was a shot of a wounded person being taken away on a stretcher after the Raptors returned from the [[Caprica]] [[SAR]] mission.
**There may have been a series of election-related riots or murders.
*The year gap for the Cylons to find the fleet at first seems odd. However, it was stated in the previous episode that the interference from the gas cloud surrounding it would hide the planet fairly well. The Cylons were slightly over a light year away, according to the Number Five. Searching something as large as the gas cloud likely is for a planet or fleet is, given the sensor range limitations, quite impressive to accomplish in months, even with general directional information from a light-year out. In addition, the radiation from the nuclear explosion aboard the ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' would, of course, only be traveling at the speed of light. Even a less catastrophic attempt to communicate the Colonial's new location would be limited to the speed of light. Of course, once the location was pinpointed, an FTL jump by the Cylons to pounce would be instantaneous.
**Even though the Cylons were able to find New Caprica from the detected nuclear blast that occurred a year prior, the initial detection would have only pointed them in the right general direction. The planet would have moved from the location the inital blast occurred as it orbits around its sun. So the Cylons would only have been able to pinpoint the planet's last location a year prior. They could have used astronomical surveying to detect the planet or send their fleets to other positions using FTL ahead of the blast radiation to triangulate the nuclear blast. Then send recon elements to scout for the planet, which could have been the initial blips picked up by DRADIS by Lt. Dualla of recon Raiders. As soon as the planet was found the main Cylon Fleet would jump in from their staging areas.
*The population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. There were just under 50,000 people in the Fleet before establishing the settlement, so that gives a figure of roughly 10,000 missing. It is uncertain how many were killed in the destruction of ''Cloud 9'' and surrounding Fleet ships but this loss along with any births and deaths that have taken place during the year since the election, leaves very few military personnel in the Orbital Defense. This almost certainly means that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' will be extremely short on crew, as many military personnel will have been left on the planet. There was clearly no time to retrieve even selected members of the crews before the Fleet jumped.
**Watching the Fleet jump in slow-motion, you can count approximately 19 ships, which also gives a rough impression of the reduced size of the fleet. Other ships, including Colonial One and some Raptors, are landed on New Caprica and have presumably fallen into the hands of the Cylons.
**It is not explicitly said that all members of the New Caprica colony reside in New Caprica City. There may be outlying settlements, though none are named. One reason for this would simply be as a safeguard to keep a single nuclear strike from wiping out all of the fleet survivors.
***This would demonstrate Un-Baltar like prudence

== Notes ==
* '''According to Ron Moore's podcast, although Scifi Channel was willing to air this episode as a 90-minute special, it had to be heavily edited down for international distribution; outside of the United States, viewers will only see a 1 hour version of the episode, which Moore regards as "almost incomprehensible".''' Many plot threads, such as the entire Cally/Tyrol subplot, were completely removed from the one hour version. This may not be the case in the UK however as Skyone (the channel that broadcasts the show in that country) previously showed the full 90 minute version of Stargate SG1 episode 'Threads' and may well do the same for this episode.
* Ron Moore's podcast for episode 13, [[Epiphanies]], states that the Nuke given to Gina will come back in this episode, to the benefit of the Cylons.
*Admiral Adama watches Pyramid games and is a fan of the Picon Panthers.
*In RDM's podcast for the previous episode, he said that in early drafts of this special 90 minute long episode, the writers actually tried to make it a 2 hour special, but this was soon dropped (these times are including commercials).
*The election board appears to have a definitive list of the names of all of the ships in [[The Fleet (RDM)]]. Not all of them are clearly visible, but this would seem to indicate that the writers do have an actual list that they get new ship names from. Ship names visible on the chart are: Demetrius, Diomedes, Embla Brokk, Enkidu, Epheme, Galactica, Gideon, Gemenon Traveller, Greenleaf, Monarch, Odysseus, Pegasus, Persephone, Prometheus, Swordfish
*The framed photo of President Roslin and [[Billy Keikeya]] was still on her desk during the election.
*When Roslin "won" the rigged election results, Roslin received 24,265 votes, while Baltar recieved 22,266. This means that the elligible voters in the Fleet number 46,531. In the podcast, RDM explains that he quickly came up with these numbers, to try to reflect roughly how many survivors are below the voting age.
*Toward the end of the episode, President Baltar refers to a government body called the "People's Council". This may be the proportionally elected lower house mentioned in by RDM in his [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 blog post] on January 30, 2005.
*[[Hera]] is seen on New Caprica in the same white cradle that Baltar had a vision of her being in in "[[Scattered]]", etc. According to RDM's podcast it's actually the exact same cradle.
*Tyrol's union speech is an almost word for word quote of Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964. According to Ron Moore and David Eick in the podcast, they even got permission from Savio's widow to use it (even though, due to the way copyright laws work from back then, they could have just used it without permission, they felt they should get it). As a result, it's even listed in the credits: "Mario Savio speech excerpted courtesy of: Lynne Hollander Savio". Actor Aaron Douglas (Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]) actually studied film of Savio, so all of the hand gestures Tyrol makes when he gives the speech are gestures that Savio actually used.
*Baltar's portrait of himself does not have the 'cut corners' as seen in most (all?) other papers and photos in the show.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Dr. Cottle decides Cally is ready to return to duty:''
:'''Cottle:''' You're done here. I'm kickin' you out of here and sending you back to work.
:'''Cally:''' (muffled, because her jaw is immobilized) Work??? Like this?
:'''Cottle:''' You gotta love a woman who can complain even with her jaw wired shut.

*"Would you mind telling me what's going on? I'm not a frakking Cylon, I'm not…(''sees the other Cavil in the cell'')…oh. Well, okay then."
*:—'''Brother Cavil'''

*"Gods help us."
*:-'''Admiral Adama''' over the objection of [[Edward James Olmos]] (podcast)

*''Trying to bring order to a Union meeting:''
:'''Tyrol:''' Everyone, please be quiet. (''crowd ignores him'')
:'''Cally:''' Hey! Shut the frak up! (''crowd quiets down'')

*'''Admiral Adama:''' We're leaving. But we'll be back.

*''On Caprica:''
::'''Anders:''' You got any great ideas in that military brain of yours?
::'''Starbuck:''' Do the same thing we always do; fight 'em 'till we can't.
:''The Cylons occupy New Caprica:''
::'''Tyrol:''' "What do you want to do now, Captain?"
::'''Starbuck:''' "The same thing we always do. Fight them until we can't."

== Official Statements ==

From the official site (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/):
When Baltar wins the vote, Roslin considers stealing the election because she believes he is a Cylon collaborator.

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] as [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0443286/ David Kaye] as [[James McManus]]
*Alisen Down as Jean Barclay
*Winston Rekert as Priest

{{Episode List}}

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[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]

The Twelve Colonies of Man

2006-03-17T09:48:12Z

Davidkevin: /* Caprica */ Long Beach has no pyramids. (grin)

''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]].''

== Overview ==
The Twelve Colonies were introduced in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original Battlestar Galactica]]. They were located in an unnamed multi-star system within the [[Cyranus (TOS)|Cyranus Galaxy]], and had been at war with the alien [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]] for 1,000 yahren (years).

== Names of the Colonies ==
The Twelve Colonies included:
*Aeries
*[[#Caprica|Caprica]]
*[[#Gemoni|Gemoni]]
*Picon
*Sagitaria
*Scorpion
*Tauron
*Virgon

== History ==

=== First Exodus ===
According to the [[Book of the Word]], a religious text of the Kobollian faith, Humanity began on a planet called [[Kobol]]. After an ecological disaster purported to be created by technology, the tribes of humanity fled outward to the stars. Twelve tribes of man eventually passed through a [[magnetic void]] and settled on a star system of 12 planets, which would be later known as the Twelve Colonies of Man ([[Lost Planet of the Gods]]). A thirteenth tribe made another Exodus to a planet known as [[Earth]].

=== War ===
One thousand [[yahren]] prior to the destruction of the Colonies, the Colonials interfered with the [[Cylon Empire]]'s attacks on an alien species called the [[Hasari]]. This began the [[Thousand Yahren War]], which ended upon the final sneak attack at the [[Battle of Cimtar]], destroying a portion of the fleet led by [[Adar (TOS)|President Adar]] ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

== Colonization ==

Several planets, moons and asteroid colonies throughout the portion of the galaxy familiar to the Colonials boasted small croppings of Colonials. Some who were well aware of the Colonies and the war with the Cylons, others knew nothing of them.

It is unknown if the remaining surviving colonists on the homeworlds re-grouped to fight another day and push back the Cylons or if the Cylons defeat on the twelve colonies was total and no colonists live still on the original twelve worlds.

== Culture ==

Each of the Twelve Colonies boasted its own race and dialect as to distinguish itself from the others.

=== Holidays ===
[[Armament Day]] - A day for celebrating the [[Colonial Warrior|Colonial Military]] ([[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I (TOS)|Lost Planet of the Gods]]).

== Caprica ==
[[Image:Capricaattack.jpg|thumb|right|Cylon raiders begin their attack on Caprica ([[Saga of a Star World]]).]]
Caprica was said to be the world that led the technological renaissance among the Twelve Colonies of Man, rediscovering space flight along the way.

(The attack on Caprica in the first episode of the series, was filmed at the Long Beach, California, City Hall which had been completed in 1976. However, please note that there are no pyramids in Long Beach, only on Caprica: they were matted in to appear behind the city hall building as seen in the attached image.)

== Gemoni ==

Many of the passengers about the freighter [[Gemini]] are from Gemoni. The language of Gemoni is Gemonese (which [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] can translate and [[Cassiopeia]] is able to speak fluently). Gemoni is home to the [[Otori Sect]] ([[Saga of a Star World (TOS)|Saga of a Star World]]).

[[Category:A to Z|Twelve Colonies (TOS), The]]
[[Category:Planets|Twelve Colonies (TOS), The]]
[[Category:Twelve Colonies (TOS)|*]]
[[Category:TOS]]

Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions

2006-03-17T09:42:35Z

Davidkevin: /* Character Names */ callsign correction

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This page serves as the central hub for standards used in writing articles on Battlestar Wiki. Initially, it will probably consist of a lot of gesturing and debating on the talk page. Once a reasonable approximation of consensus is achieved on a topic, information about it will be moved here. Feel free to bring up new convention questions on the talk page.

This page is '''not''' designed to supercede other [[:Category:Project Page|Project Page]]s. Some over-lap is expected, but project-specific standards and conventions should be moved to their project page, if one exists or a page created for a project, if one does not.

==Spelling and Numbers==
Prefer the American spellings of words as much as possible. This is arbitrary, but a call had to be made.

Use "the Twelve Colonies" or "the Colonies" rather than "the 12 Colonies" as it is the name of a sovereign government like "the United States." Likewise, "Colonial" should always be capitalized thusly, although "colony" remains uncapitalized for the same reason we do not capitalize "state" when referring to one of the United States.

Numbers should use a period (.) for decimal places and a comma (,) for marking every three digits (e.g. 3,600 or 54,345,277). For ease of reading, such use of commas is encouraged. Numbers less than 11 should generally be written out long hand (i.e. seven, not 7).

==Character Names==
Characters should be introduced with both '''first and last name''' the first time they are mentioned in an article. Subsequent referalls may abbreviate to the last name. Never use only the first name when the last name is known (ie, "Kara Thrace" or "Thrace", but never "Kara").

There are two currently active characters who share the same last name: Bill and Lee Adama; and Saul and Ellen Tigh. It is often tempting to refer to Lee and Ellen by their first names, and (Bill) Adama and (Saul) Tigh by their last. At the battlestar wiki, we find this somewhat condescending.

Where neccessary, characters sharing the same last name should both be introduced using full names, and may subsequently be referred to with first names. For example, in a single article, [[Ellen Tigh]] and [[Saul Tigh]] should be introduced thusly. Every time after that, they should be Ellen and Saul, respectively. When Saul and Ellen don't shown up in the same article, the one that does, of course, gets to be "Tigh".

The only exception is that on a character's own page, they have precedent to their last name. All others with the same last name may be referred to by their first name.

Other acceptable means for disambiguation include rank (Commander Adama vs. Captain Adama) and callsign ("''Galactica'' Actual" vs. "Apollo"). Callsigns are appropriate for summaries and military data, but not for biographies.

==Character Titles==
Members of the Quorum of Twelve should be referred to as delegates, not representatives. Although the show uses both terms, the "delegate" appears to be the formal title.

==Ships==
Ship names should be italicized (e.g. ''Galactica''). Military ships generally receive no article (i.e. "''Galactica''" not "the ''Galactica''") and civilian ships generally ''do'' receive an article (i.e. "the ''Rising Star''" not "''Rising Star''"). There are some exceptions to this (e.g. ''Colonial One'', ''Cloud 9'') – usually, ship names ending in a number do not receive an article. Italicization of ship names includes the possesive marker and other endings added to a ship's name (e.g. ''Galactica's'', not ''Galactica'''s), but not articles. Mostly, ships are female and so use of "she" and "her" is encouraged, though not mandated.

When discussing [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], use of either "Mark" or "Mk." is acceptable, though "mk." is just sloppy. Also, roman numerals are preferred. Thus, "Viper Mark II" or "Viper Mk. VII" but not "Viper mk. 2".

==Verb Tense==
In almost every case, the present tense should be used when relating events occuring in an episode (e.g. Baltar shoots Crashdown in the back in order to save Cally's life). This is in line with the traditional style used to discuss literary works of fiction and the reasons it is employed for those kinds of articles entirely apply here.

Exceptions can be made for articles dealing with historical events, where present tense can impede narrative flow. Typically, a historical event involves situations that occur prior to the [[Miniseries]]. "Flashback" scenes in episodes should be treated as historical events. "Thrace cried at Zak's funeral" is appropriate since this event occurs two years before the MiniSeries, although we see the event in a flashback scene in "[[Act of Contrition]]".

==Links to Episodes==
When referring to episodes in text, use quote marks. This helps keep them distinct from other text. This is especially useful for unwieldly episode name such as "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]".
*Example: "In the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", ''Galactica'' finds ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''."

When using an episode to cite a source, use parenthesis with no quotes. Citations go inside punctuation.
*Example: "''Galactica'' finds ''Pegasus'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])."

==Signing Your Work==
Don't. ''Battlestar Wiki'' is a collaboration of many writers. Be proud of your contributions, but do not take ownership of articles. Signatures will be removed without debate.

==Images==
All episode screenshots are copyright Universal Studios, and should be credited as such on image pages.

Images are desirable wherever their use is appropriate. Character pictures are currently being handled on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Characters]] project. Other articles needing images are listed at [[Battlestar Wiki:Requested Images]].

==Quote of the Day==
Quotes for the [[Quotes|Quote of the Day]] should all conform to this standard. In all cases, the naming conventions should agree with Character Names, above. The first occurances of all character and ship names within quotes should be linked. Pronouns (you, he, it) may be linked to clarify who or what the speaker is refering to. Linking of other words (jargon, etc.) is also left to a matter of discretion. All episode names should, of course, be linked.

For one-line quotes, the quote should appear first, enclosed in double-quotes with normal weighting and no italics (except to show emphasis). It should be followed with a hard line break (<br/>). This Wiki strives to be [http://validator.w3.org/ valid] [http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp XHTML 1.0 Transitional], which means all tags, including br tags, must be closed. We don't want to break anything, now do we? The following line should begin with a double en-dash (--) followed directly by the rank or position of the character being quoted, then their name. These should be non-italics and normally weighted, as well. Finally, the episode name, in italics, should appear in parenthasis after a space.

:"The line, in normal-weighted text, enclosed in double quotes."<br/><br/>
:--Rank and Name in Normal (''Episode Name'')

This will end up looking thus:

:"Ladies and gentlemen, ''please''. Please. We are in a laboratory. There are hazardous chemical compounds everywhere. That--that's a thermo-nuclear bomb, for [[frak]]'s sake, so..."<br/>
:--Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] (''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'')

For quotes longer than one line, each utterance will appear on its own line. The speaker's rank or position and name should appear followed by a colon (:) first. All of this should be bold. The actual line follows, in normal weighted font, followed by a hard line break (<br/>). Subsequent utterences by the same speaker should begin simply with the character's name, as layed out in Character Names, above. After the final utterance of the quote, the episode name should appear in italics, prefaced by a double en-dash (--).

:'''Rank and Name 1:''' Humorous battle banter aimed at Speaker 2.<br/><br/>
:'''Rank and Name 2:''' Scathing insult.<br/><br/>
:'''Name 1:''' Pithy retort.<br/><br/>
:--''Episode Name''

For example:

:'''Captain [[Lee Adama]]:''' Hey, how about you, Boomer? [[Cottle|Doc]] tells me you're holding up better than anybody in the squadron.<br\>
:'''Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]:''' I'm tired, like everybody else.<br\>
:'''Adama:''' You never seem it.<br\>
:'''Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]]:''' 'Cause she's a Cylon.<br\>
:'''Valerii:''' You're just gonna make me come over there and kick your ass, aren't you?<br\>
:--''[[33]]''

==Disambiguation==
Because the various Battlestar Galactica series re-use ships, character names, episode titles and other terminology, it is occasionally necessary to write articles covering the same thing in different continuities.

When this is the case, an individual article should be used for each series. Articles should be namespaced according to the following schema:

*(TOS) - [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original series]]
*(RDM) - [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined series]]
*(Video Game) - 2003 [[Video Game]]
*(1980) - [[Galactica 1980]]
*(SDS) - [[Battlestar Galactica (SDS)|Singer/DeSanto continuation]]
*(SC) - [[Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming|Richard Hatch's "Second Coming" attempt]]

The non-namespaced article should serve as a disambiguation page, pointing to the related articles.

Examples of this in use are:
* [[Pegasus (TOS)]] vs. [[Pegasus (RDM)]] (disambiguation at [[Pegasus]])
* [[Adama (TOS)]] vs. [[William Adama]] vs. [[Lee Adama]] (disambiguation at [[Adama]])

Pages for characters that appear in more than one series should reserve the name in common for disambiguation (Cf. [[Adama]], [[Baltar]], etc.), but individual pages need not be tagged with the series name if there is sufficient information in the title otherwise so as to be disambiguous (Cf. [[Gaius Baltar]] vs. [[Baltar (TOS)]] or [[William Adama]] vs. [[Adama (TOS)]]).

==Questions Section==
Every episode-synopsis article includes a section called "Questions". The idea behind the section is, "These are the questions this episode raises and does not answer by itself." Since these pages are encyclopedic, it is not intended that the "Questions" section be used to actually speculate as to the answers!

So, the rule of thumb should be:
# If a question is raised and not answered in the episode, it belongs in the Questions section on the encylopedic page.
# If a question is added to the encyclopedic page, and someone else realises it's actually answered '''in the same episode''', it might make sense to add the answer after the question, but it probably makes more sense to move both the question and the answer to the Talk page, because it isn't really an unanswered question. If it's an ambiguous or obscure item that keeps coming up (or seems likely to), then it might belong in "Analysis" or "Notes".
# If a question is answered in a later episode, the analysis for that episode should note that the event hearkens back to an earlier open plot point, and perhaps the original page should be edited to point forward to the answer, but the answer itself should not be edited into the page for the episode that posed the question. An early example of this style appears on the encylopedia page for the episode "[[Water]]", "Why do the Cylons want to keep Helo on Caprica?".
# Debates and discussion have no place on the encylopedic pages; only on the talk pages. Encyclopedic pages should be neutral-point-of-view and descriptive. So if there's any dispute over whether a question belongs where it's been placed or how it's being handled, the whole thing should be moved over to the talk page and hashed out there.

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The Twelve Colonies of Man

2006-03-11T08:05:59Z

Davidkevin: /* Caprica */

''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]].''

== Overview ==
The Twelve Colonies were introduced in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original Battlestar Galactica]]. They were located in an unnamed multi-star system within the [[Cyranus (TOS)|Cyranus Galaxy]], and had been at war with the alien [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]] for 1,000 yahren (years).

== Names of the Colonies ==
The Twelve Colonies included:
*Aeries
*[[#Caprica|Caprica]]
*[[#Gemoni|Gemoni]]
*Picon
*Sagitaria
*Scorpion
*Tauron
*Virgon

== History ==

=== First Exodus ===
According to the [[Book of the Word]], a religious text of the Kobollian faith, Humanity began on a planet called [[Kobol]]. After an ecological disaster purported to be created by technology, the tribes of humanity fled outward to the stars. Twelve tribes of man eventually passed through a [[magnetic void]] and settled on a star system of 12 planets, which would be later known as the Twelve Colonies of Man ([[Lost Planet of the Gods]]). A thirteenth tribe made another Exodus to a planet known as [[Earth]].

=== War ===
One thousand [[yahren]] prior to the destruction of the Colonies, the Colonials interfered with the [[Cylon Empire]]'s attacks on an alien species called the [[Hasari]]. This began the [[Thousand Yahren War]], which ended upon the final sneak attack at the [[Battle of Cimtar]], destroying a portion of the fleet led by [[Adar (TOS)|President Adar]] ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

== Colonization ==

Several planets, moons and asteroid colonies throughout the portion of the galaxy familiar to the Colonials boasted small croppings of Colonials. Some who were well aware of the Colonies and the war with the Cylons, others knew nothing of them.

It is unknown if the remaining surviving colonists on the homeworlds re-grouped to fight another day and push back the Cylons or if the Cylons defeat on the twelve colonies was total and no colonists live still on the original twelve worlds.

== Culture ==

Each of the Twelve Colonies boasted its own race and dialect as to distinguish itself from the others.

=== Holidays ===
[[Armament Day]] - A day for celebrating the [[Colonial Warrior|Colonial Military]] ([[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I (TOS)|Lost Planet of the Gods]]).

== Caprica ==

Caprica was said to be the world that led the technological renaissance among the Twelve Colonies of Man, rediscovering space flight along the way.

(The attack on Caprica in the first episode of the series, was filmed at the Long Beach, California, City Hall which had been completed in 1976.)

== Gemoni ==

Many of the passengers about the freighter [[Gemini]] are from Gemoni. The language of Gemoni is Gemonese (which [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] can translate and [[Cassiopeia]] is able to speak fluently). Gemoni is home to the [[Otori Sect]] ([[Saga of a Star World (TOS)|Saga of a Star World]]).

[[Category:A to Z|Twelve Colonies (TOS), The]]
[[Category:Planets|Twelve Colonies (TOS), The]]
[[Category:Twelve Colonies (TOS)|*]]
[[Category:TOS]]

Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II

2006-03-11T07:07:10Z

Davidkevin: /* In the Fleet */

{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Burdens2.jpg|300px]]
| Title= Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 20
| Guests= [[Richard Hatch]] ([[Tom Zarek]])<br>[[Kate Vernon]] ([[Ellen Tigh]])<br>[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] ([[Cavil|Brother Cavil]])
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm1093194|Anne Cofell Saunders]], [[IMDB:nm0894156|Mark Verheiden]]
| Story=
| Director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate= March 10, 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population= 49,550
| Prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
| Next= TBA
}}

== Overview ==

: ''Everything turns on its head as the survivors vote for a new president -- and vote for their fate.''

== Summary ==

===On Caprica===

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], the marines, and the [[resistance(movement)|]] continue to take fire from Cylon centurions and artillery. They make their way up a hill, and hold their position.
*The Cylons hold fire, and Sharon remarks that the Cylons will attempt to capture them with non-lethal weapons, such as gas.
*Eighteen hours later, they emerge to find that the Cylons have disappeared. [[Cavil]] -- who suddenly appears behind them -- announces that the Cylons have left the Twelve Colonies and that humanity was spared.

===In the Fleet===

*[[Cally]] is cleared back to work by [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]], despite having her jaw wired shut (which elicits a sexist observation from the doctor). [[Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] visits her, apologizing for the attack. Cally forgives him, saying that she's always cared for him.

*[[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]] continues to gain in the polls. On ''[[Colonial One]]'', Tory mentions there's always a victory plan. [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] later calls a private meeting with Dr. Baltar, asking to deliver a joint statement of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_%28verb%29 tabling] the issue of colonization until after the election, which Baltar rejects.

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] returns to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', with the resistance fighters, much to the delight of Admiral Adama. She mentions the fact that the Cylons have left Caprica, and a man appearing to be Brother Cavill confirms it. He also says he has a message, but is attacked by Chief Tyrol, claiming he's a Cylon. Both Cavill and Caprica-Sharon are escorted to the brig under marine guard.

*The other Cavill (from last episode) is also taken to the brig, claiming he's not a Cylon, but changes his tune upon seeing his "brother", as he calls him. Both Cavills then talk about the fact that the “war heroes” (Caprica Six & ''Galactica''-Sharon) have talked about how the attack of the colonies and the pursuit of the fleet were mistakes. They were told to relay the message that man and Cylon will go their separate ways. Both Roslin and Admiral Adama are less than trusting regarding the message.

*Election Day has arrived and Baltar has an apparent five thousand-vote lead over Roslin with only a few ships left. On ''Colonial One'', Tory makes a call to ''Galactica'', putting a plan into action.

*Amazingly, Roslin initially appears to have retained the presidency. While most are celebrating, Lt. Gaeta makes a starting discovery regarding the votes, and informs the Admiral that Col. Tigh may be involved in a conspiracy to throw the election.

*Admiral Adama confronts Roslin regarding the conspiracy, saying he has a confession to rig the vote. Roslin admits her involvement and Adama is disappointed.

*Baltar is informed of his nomination as President. He's less than pleased, vowing to have full investigation in time. President-elect Baltar then orders a course for “New Caprica”.

*[[Gaius Baltar]] is sworn in as the new President of the Twelve Colonies, and orders the immediate colonization of New Caprica.

*''[[Cloud 9]]'' is destroyed by a nuclear blast, Gina being present before the explosion; in addition to the ''Cloud 9'', at least two other ships are destroyed in the blast. Admiral Adama reports to the president that this may be a Cylon attack, but Baltar ignores him and presses forward with colonization.

===One Year Later===

*[[Felix Gaeta|Mr. Gaeta]] is reporting to the President regarding a Union issue aboard Colonial One, now down on the planet. Baltar is upset, saying there have been no Cylon attacks but the people still complain. He has regressed, turning to alcohol, medication, and womanizing.

*Admiral Adama, now donning a mustache, is walking around a near-empty Galactica, the ship falling into disarray. Over half of the crew has moved down to the planet, and they are running on such a skeleton crew that they barely have enough pilots to fly training missions, much less a good CAP. Adama has a discussion with Tigh about going down to the planet, which Tigh reluctantly agrees to.

*[[Samuel Anders|Anders]], now Kara’s husband, is sick. Dr. Cottle is saying he can’t do much for him, saying there’s no medication available.

*Kara runs into the Tighs as [[Tyrol]] is making a speech to begin a strike, a pregnant Cally by his side. Saul mentions that there should be some medicine aboard Pegasus.

*Kara calls Lee aboard Pegasus to requesting medication. Dualla is now an officer, serving by Lee Adama's side in Pegasus' CIC. Before Lee can reply, Dualla catches something on [[DRADIS]].

*A fleet of [[Cylon]] [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s arrive in orbit around New Caprica. The Adamas are having a discussion about what to do, when [[Helo]] asks if alert fighters should be launched. Admiral Adama keeps them in as the defense fleet jumps away.

*Mr. Gaeta informs the President of the Cylon approach. Later, before his assembled staff, copies of Number 5, 8, and 6 approach the President. The Cylons declare that as long as there’s no resistance, no harm will come. President Baltar declares surrender on behalf of the colonists, and as Cylon armies occupy the planet, Kara vows to resist.

== Questions ==

*What "number" is Cavill?
*Where did the defense fleet jump to?
**Likely a prearranged rendezvous point, similar to that of the miniseries.
*What happened to Zarek?
*Why is Leoben looking for Starbuck, specifically?
** Could it be the same [[Leoben Conoy]] that Starbuck interrogated in "[[Flesh and Bone]]"?
** Consider: "Maybe the last time I was the interrogator and you were the prisoner." - Leoben Conoy ([[Flesh and Bone]])
*Did the Cavils lie about the pursuit of humanity being a mistake? Or were they telling the truth?
** If they were telling the truth, perhaps not all Cylons are readily able to admit and rectify their mistakes as the Cavils believed.
*Why has the population (until Tyrol's recent union speech) accepted Baltar's imperious rule? People were hardly so passive under Roslin. Indeed, Adama executed a military coup over a rather less important issue than giving a nuclear weapon to a Cylon agent.
**Admiral Adama wasn't conclusive as to how the weapon got on board Cloud Nine.
***Baltar pointed out there have been no attacks since he took office. Under Roslin the attacks were common. Perhaps for a year the people decided they preferred the safety Baltar gave them to their liberties.
*Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica''-Sharon]]?
**Judging from Six's reaction to Baltar, almost definately.
*Where did the Cylon fleets go, after they left the Twelve Colonies? Cavil was deliberatly vague when asked if they simply returned to the [[Cylon homeworld]].

== Analysis ==
*Baltar's arrogance seems to have led to corrupt rule during his year on New Caprica—he replaces Roslin's modest desk with a larger, elaborate one, replaces the population count whiteboard with a portrait of himself, and keeps a harem aboard the landed Colonial One.
*After a whole year, everyone is still living in tents. There is a vital shortage of medicine, the military is of no use, and labor conditions are apparently intolerable. Baltar's administration is apparently as incompetent as Roslin feared.
*Tyrol's union speech alludes to Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964.
*It's ironic that the obligations of duty keep Lee Adama aboard Pegasus while everyone else goes planetside—he is a reserve officer, and promised to build his pilots a bar as soon as they found a habitable planet.
*Ron Moore has once again decided to play with viewer's expectations; in the podcast for "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" Moore commented on how everyone assumed that ''Pegasus'' would be destroyed by the end of the episode, and thus he thought it would be a good twist to keep ''Pegasus'' alive as another ship in the Fleet. Here, many viewers assumed that the nuke that Baltar gave to Gina in "[[Epiphanies]]" would be used to destroy ''Pegasus'' this time, but it wasn't.

== Notes ==
* '''According to Ron Moore's podcast, although Scifi Channel was willing to air this episode as a 90-minute special, it had to be heavily edited down for international distribution; outside of the United States, viewers will only see a 1 hour version of the episode, which Moore regards as "almost incomprehensible".''' Many plot threads, such as the entire Cally/Tyrol subplot, were completely removed from the one hour version.
* Ron Moore's podcast for episode 13, [[Epiphanies]], states that the Nuke given to Gina will come back in this episode, to the benefit of the Cylons.
*In RDM's podcast for the previous episode, he said that in early drafts of this special 90 minute long episode, the writers actually tried to make it a 2 hour special, but this was soon dropped (these times are including commercials).
*The election board appears to have a definative list of the names of all of the ships in [[The Fleet (RDM)]]. Not all of them are clearly visible, but this would seem to indicate that the writers do have an actual list that they get new ship names from. Ship names visible on the chart are: Demetrius, Diomedes, Embla Brokk, Enkidu, Epheme, Galactica, Gideon, Gemenon Traveller, Greenleaf, Monarch, Odysseus, Pegasus, Persephone, Prometheus, Swordfish
*The framed photo of President Roslin and [[Billy Keikeya]] was still on her desk during the election.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''The Cylons occupy New Caprica:''
:'''Tyrol:''' "What do we do now, Captain?"
:'''Starbuck:''' "Same thing we always do. Fight them until we can't."

*''Trying to bring order to a Union meeting:''
:'''Tyrol:''' Everyone, please be quiet.
:'''Cally:''' Hey! Shut the frak up! (''crowd quiets down'')

== Official Statements ==

From the official site (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/):
When Baltar wins the vote, Roslin considers stealing the election because she believes he is a Cylon collaborator.

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] as [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0443286/ David Kaye] as [[James McManus]]

=== Writing & Direction ===


=== Production Notes ===

*Series 2 (2005 / 2006)
*Production Number: 2.20
*Airdate Order: 20 (of 20)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate: Date
*US Airdate: Date
*DVD Release (UK): Date
*DVD Release (US): Date
*[[Wikipedia:Nielsen Rating|Nielsen Rating]]: X.X million households, XXX share

{{Episode List}}

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[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Anne Cofell Saunders]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]

Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II

2006-03-11T06:59:16Z

Davidkevin: /* On Caprica */

{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Burdens2.jpg|300px]]
| Title= Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 20
| Guests= [[Richard Hatch]] ([[Tom Zarek]])<br>[[Kate Vernon]] ([[Ellen Tigh]])<br>[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] ([[Cavil|Brother Cavil]])
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm1093194|Anne Cofell Saunders]], [[IMDB:nm0894156|Mark Verheiden]]
| Story=
| Director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate= March 10, 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population= 49,550
| Prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
| Next= TBA
}}

== Overview ==

: ''Everything turns on its head as the survivors vote for a new president -- and vote for their fate.''

== Summary ==

===On Caprica===

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], the marines, and the [[resistance(movement)|]] continue to take fire from Cylon centurions and artillery. They make their way up a hill, and hold their position.
*The Cylons hold fire, and Sharon remarks that the Cylons will attempt to capture them with non-lethal weapons, such as gas.
*Eighteen hours later, they emerge to find that the Cylons have disappeared. [[Cavil]] -- who suddenly appears behind them -- announces that the Cylons have left the Twelve Colonies and that humanity was spared.

===In the Fleet===

*[[Cally]] is cleared back to work by [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]], despite having her jaw wired shut (which illicits a sexist observation from the doctor). [[Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] visits her, apologizing for the attack. Cally forgives him, saying that she’s always cared for him.

*[[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]] continues to gain in the polls. On [[Colonial One]], Tory mentions there’s always a victory plan. [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] later calls a private meeting with Dr. Baltar, asking to deliver a joint statement of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_%28verb%29 tabling] the issue of colonization until after the election, which Baltar rejects.

*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] returns to [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]], with the resistance fighters, much to the delight of Admiral Adama. She mentions the fact that the Cylons have left Caprica, and a man appearing to be Brother Cavill confirms it. He also says he has a message, but is attacked by Chief Tyrol, claiming he’s a Cylon. Both Cavill and Caprica-Sharon are escorted to the brig under marine guard.

*The other Cavill (from last episode) is also taken to the brig, claiming he’s not a Cylon, but changes his tune upon seeing his copy. Both Cavills then talk about the fact that the “war heroes” (Caprica Six & Galactica-Sharon) have talked about how the attack of the colonies and the pursuit of the fleet were mistakes. They were told to relay the message that man and Cylon will go their separate ways. Both Roslin and Admiral Adama are less than trusting regarding the message.

*Election Day has arrived and Baltar has an apparent 5,000 vote lead over Roslin with only a few ships left. On Colonial One, Tory makes a call to Galactica, putting a plan into action.

*Amazingly, Roslin initially appears to have retained the presidency. While most are celebrating, Lt. Gaeta makes a starting discovery regarding the votes, and informs the Admiral that Col. Tigh may be involved in a conspiracy to throw the election.

*Admiral Adama confronts Roslin regarding the conspiracy, saying he has a confession to rig the vote. Roslin admits her involvement and Adama is disappointed.

*Baltar is informed of his nomination as President. He’s less than pleased, vowing to have full investigation in time. President-elect Baltar then orders a course for “New Caprica”.

*[[Gaius Baltar]] is sworn in as the new President of the Twelve Colonies, and orders the immediate colonization of New Caprica.

*''[[Cloud 9]]'' is destroyed by a nuclear blast, Gina being present before the explosion; in addition to the ''Cloud 9'', at least two other ships are destroyed in the blast. Admiral Adama reports to the president that this may be a Cylon attack, but Baltar ignores him and presses forward with colonization.

===One Year Later===

*[[Felix Gaeta|Mr. Gaeta]] is reporting to the President regarding a Union issue aboard Colonial One, now down on the planet. Baltar is upset, saying there have been no Cylon attacks but the people still complain. He has regressed, turning to alcohol, medication, and womanizing.

*Admiral Adama, now donning a mustache, is walking around a near-empty Galactica, the ship falling into disarray. Over half of the crew has moved down to the planet, and they are running on such a skeleton crew that they barely have enough pilots to fly training missions, much less a good CAP. Adama has a discussion with Tigh about going down to the planet, which Tigh reluctantly agrees to.

*[[Samuel Anders|Anders]], now Kara’s husband, is sick. Dr. Cottle is saying he can’t do much for him, saying there’s no medication available.

*Kara runs into the Tighs as [[Tyrol]] is making a speech to begin a strike, a pregnant Cally by his side. Saul mentions that there should be some medicine aboard Pegasus.

*Kara calls Lee aboard Pegasus to requesting medication. Dualla is now an officer, serving by Lee Adama's side in Pegasus' CIC. Before Lee can reply, Dualla catches something on [[DRADIS]].

*A fleet of [[Cylon]] [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s arrive in orbit around New Caprica. The Adamas are having a discussion about what to do, when [[Helo]] asks if alert fighters should be launched. Admiral Adama keeps them in as the defense fleet jumps away.

*Mr. Gaeta informs the President of the Cylon approach. Later, before his assembled staff, copies of Number 5, 8, and 6 approach the President. The Cylons declare that as long as there’s no resistance, no harm will come. President Baltar declares surrender on behalf of the colonists, and as Cylon armies occupy the planet, Kara vows to resist.

== Questions ==

*What "number" is Cavill?
*Where did the defense fleet jump to?
**Likely a prearranged rendezvous point, similar to that of the miniseries.
*What happened to Zarek?
*Why is Leoben looking for Starbuck, specifically?
** Could it be the same [[Leoben Conoy]] that Starbuck interrogated in "[[Flesh and Bone]]"?
** Consider: "Maybe the last time I was the interrogator and you were the prisoner." - Leoben Conoy ([[Flesh and Bone]])
*Did the Cavils lie about the pursuit of humanity being a mistake? Or were they telling the truth?
** If they were telling the truth, perhaps not all Cylons are readily able to admit and rectify their mistakes as the Cavils believed.
*Why has the population (until Tyrol's recent union speech) accepted Baltar's imperious rule? People were hardly so passive under Roslin. Indeed, Adama executed a military coup over a rather less important issue than giving a nuclear weapon to a Cylon agent.
**Admiral Adama wasn't conclusive as to how the weapon got on board Cloud Nine.
***Baltar pointed out there have been no attacks since he took office. Under Roslin the attacks were common. Perhaps for a year the people decided they preferred the safety Baltar gave them to their liberties.
*Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica''-Sharon]]?
**Judging from Six's reaction to Baltar, almost definately.
*Where did the Cylon fleets go, after they left the Twelve Colonies? Cavil was deliberatly vague when asked if they simply returned to the [[Cylon homeworld]].

== Analysis ==
*Baltar's arrogance seems to have led to corrupt rule during his year on New Caprica—he replaces Roslin's modest desk with a larger, elaborate one, replaces the population count whiteboard with a portrait of himself, and keeps a harem aboard the landed Colonial One.
*After a whole year, everyone is still living in tents. There is a vital shortage of medicine, the military is of no use, and labor conditions are apparently intolerable. Baltar's administration is apparently as incompetent as Roslin feared.
*Tyrol's union speech alludes to Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964.
*It's ironic that the obligations of duty keep Lee Adama aboard Pegasus while everyone else goes planetside—he is a reserve officer, and promised to build his pilots a bar as soon as they found a habitable planet.
*Ron Moore has once again decided to play with viewer's expectations; in the podcast for "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" Moore commented on how everyone assumed that ''Pegasus'' would be destroyed by the end of the episode, and thus he thought it would be a good twist to keep ''Pegasus'' alive as another ship in the Fleet. Here, many viewers assumed that the nuke that Baltar gave to Gina in "[[Epiphanies]]" would be used to destroy ''Pegasus'' this time, but it wasn't.

== Notes ==
* '''According to Ron Moore's podcast, although Scifi Channel was willing to air this episode as a 90-minute special, it had to be heavily edited down for international distribution; outside of the United States, viewers will only see a 1 hour version of the episode, which Moore regards as "almost incomprehensible".''' Many plot threads, such as the entire Cally/Tyrol subplot, were completely removed from the one hour version.
* Ron Moore's podcast for episode 13, [[Epiphanies]], states that the Nuke given to Gina will come back in this episode, to the benefit of the Cylons.
*In RDM's podcast for the previous episode, he said that in early drafts of this special 90 minute long episode, the writers actually tried to make it a 2 hour special, but this was soon dropped (these times are including commercials).
*The election board appears to have a definative list of the names of all of the ships in [[The Fleet (RDM)]]. Not all of them are clearly visible, but this would seem to indicate that the writers do have an actual list that they get new ship names from. Ship names visible on the chart are: Demetrius, Diomedes, Embla Brokk, Enkidu, Epheme, Galactica, Gideon, Gemenon Traveller, Greenleaf, Monarch, Odysseus, Pegasus, Persephone, Prometheus, Swordfish
*The framed photo of President Roslin and [[Billy Keikeya]] was still on her desk during the election.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''The Cylons occupy New Caprica:''
:'''Tyrol:''' "What do we do now, Captain?"
:'''Starbuck:''' "Same thing we always do. Fight them until we can't."

*''Trying to bring order to a Union meeting:''
:'''Tyrol:''' Everyone, please be quiet.
:'''Cally:''' Hey! Shut the frak up! (''crowd quiets down'')

== Official Statements ==

From the official site (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/):
When Baltar wins the vote, Roslin considers stealing the election because she believes he is a Cylon collaborator.

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] as [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0443286/ David Kaye] as [[James McManus]]

=== Writing & Direction ===


=== Production Notes ===

*Series 2 (2005 / 2006)
*Production Number: 2.20
*Airdate Order: 20 (of 20)

=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate: Date
*US Airdate: Date
*DVD Release (UK): Date
*DVD Release (US): Date
*[[Wikipedia:Nielsen Rating|Nielsen Rating]]: X.X million households, XXX share

{{Episode List}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Anne Cofell Saunders]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]

Mercury class battlestar

2005-09-30T08:32:03Z

Davidkevin: /* Overview */

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
[[Image:Bscap202.jpg|thumb|The front view]]
The '''Mercury-class''' battlestar is an advanced warship introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]. For the unnamed original class, to which ''[[Galactica]]'' belongs, see [[Battlestar]].

===Overview===

Following the end of the [[Cylon War]], the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. New models employed technologies, such as networked computers, which had been prohibited during the war ([[Mini-Series]]). A ''Mercury''-class battlestar therefore sports several features not found aboard ''Galactica'' such as automated sliding doorways and basic computer recognition stations at vital areas. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], a ''Mercury''-class battlestar was a top-of-the-line craft.

The physical appearance of the ''Mercury''-class is different than that of the original Battlestar. The "neck" section is smaller, and the ''Mercury''-class is equipped with eight sublight engine pods, compared the older class's four. These are also more "boxy" in appearance than those of the original. The flight pods also appear to have two entrances each, above and below the midline. Unlike ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'' appears to have a full armor "skin", but in ''Galactica's'' case this may have been deliberately removed prior to its decomissioning.

Based on figures from the episode [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], the standard crew complement of a Mercury-class battlestar is in excess of 2,500.

=== Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars ===

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'', for which it presumed the class is named
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])

[[Category:A to Z]] [[Category:Colonial Craft]] [[Category:Colonial Military]] [[Category:RDM]] [[Category:Technology]] [[Category:Battlestars|*]]

Mercury class battlestar

2005-09-30T08:31:12Z

Davidkevin: /* Overview */

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
[[Image:Bscap202.jpg|thumb|The front view]]
The '''Mercury-class''' battlestar is an advanced warship introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]. For the unnamed original class, to which ''[[Galactica]]'' belongs, see [[Battlestar]].

===Overview===

Following the end of the [[Cylon War]], the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. New models employed technologies, such as networked computers, which had been prohibited during the war ([[Mini-Series]]). A ''Mercury''-class battlestar therefore sports several features not found aboard ''Galactica'' such as automated sliding doorways and basic computer recognition stations at vital areas. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], a ''Mercury''-class battlestar was a top-of-the-line craft.

The physical appearance of the ''Mercury''-class is different than that of the original Battlestar. The "neck" section is smaller, and the ''Mercury''-class is equipped with 8 sublight engine pods, compared the older class's four. These are also more "boxy" in appearance than those of the original. The flight pods also appear to have two entrances each, above and below the midline. Unlike ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'' appears to have a full armor "skin", but in ''Galactica's'' case this may have been deliberately removed prior to its decomissioning.

Based on figures from the episode [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], the standard crew complement of a Mercury-class battlestar is in excess of 2,500.

=== Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars ===

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'', for which it presumed the class is named
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])

[[Category:A to Z]] [[Category:Colonial Craft]] [[Category:Colonial Military]] [[Category:RDM]] [[Category:Technology]] [[Category:Battlestars|*]]

Number Six

2005-09-24T10:06:06Z

Davidkevin: /* Seducer and Infiltrator */

{{Character Data|
|photo=[[Image:Bsg-six-1.jpg|200px]]
|age= Late 20s
|colony= N/A
|birthname= N/A
|callsign= N/A
|death= Copies have been destroyed in several episodes
|parents= N/A
|siblings= N/A
|children= N/A
|marital status= N/A
|role= Cylon Infiltrator
|rank= N/A
|actor= [[Tricia Helfer]]
|cylon= y
}}

"'''Number Six'''" is a stunning blonde who plays several key roles in the [[Cylon]] military. She is the first [[Humano-Cylon]] that viewers witness in the reimagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' saga, and is apparently the sixth of twelve models of Humano-Cylon.

== Armistice Station Copy ==
She is a portent of doom for the peoples of the [[Twelve Colonies]]; she arrives on [[Armistice Station]] shortly before it is destroyed in what are the opening shots of the [[Cylon attack]] in the [[Mini-Series]].

== Seducer and Infiltrator ==

Prior to the attack, a copy of Six played an important role in preparing the way for a Cylon victory. Seducing the ambitious, self-obssessed, arrogant Gaius Baltar, she fooled him into believing she was a corporate spy, seeking to gain advantage over her competitors in order to gain an lucrative defence contract ([[Mini-Series]]). Over the course of two years, she used Baltar to gain access to his work -- even to the extent of re-writing many of his own algorithms -- in order to subvert his own [[Command Navigation Program]] so that it could be used in the forthcoming Cylon attack to cripple Colonial forces.

In addition to this work, she performed a second role -- one which is potentially as important to the Cylons, but one in which she may not be fully capable of performing: trying to make Gaius Baltar fall in love with her and, possibly, have a child by her. This is a role that she admits to him is not an official part of her assignment, but it is in keeping with the apparent aims and goals of the Cylons -- for whom "love", expressed through the concept of their [[God]], is a motivating factor behind some of their later actions.

The fact that she is unable to become pregnant in her time with Baltar -- given that his is the type of man vain enough to forego any male form of contraception and expect the female to take the required precautions -- is suggestive that the humano-Cylons are physically, as well as mentally, configured for specific roles. Six is designed as a seducer -- a trend that repeatedly surfaces throughout her various incarnations -- not a child-bearer. However, she may be capable of childbearing but has chosen not to until the time was right.

With the opening of the Cylon attack, Baltar's Six is apparently destroyed protecting him from the effects of a nuclear blast shockwave on [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]].

== Baltar's Internal Six ==
[[image:Tigh_Me_Up_Tigh_Me_Down-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|[[Number Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] in his lab aborad ''[[Galactica]]''. (C. Universal Studios)]]
Fleeing the city and then the planet itself, Baltar is shocked to discover that Six lives on - inside his head.

At first he tries to dismiss her presence as a manifestation of his own guilt over what has happened to his people, and his role in it. However, Six suggests that she is in fact the result of a chip inside his head. However, while some of her "actions" - such as terrifying Baltar into determining how he can construct a genuine [[Cylon detector]] ([[Bastille Day]]) - very much suggest she is a part of his own psyche. But this is countered by her underlying actions and "deeds" - all of which represent a furtherance of those aims and goals she expressed as a corporeal entity, giving added weight to the idea that she is most likely a personality download contained within a chip in Baltar's head. Some of these are characteristics never witnessed by Baltar himself - such as her jealous reaction to [[Valerii]]'s visit with Baltar in his lab ([[Flesh and Bone]]), which closely mirrors the jealousy she shows towards Valerii on Caprica ([[Litmus]], [[Secrets and Lies]]).

Certainly, this seems to be the view Baltar himself comes to hold, as he relies more and more on her for guidance and insight into Cylons ways - so much so that she deliberately suggests that her presence within him is something for which other Cylons have no knowledge. However, in her relentless drive to get Baltar to fully accept the Cylon concept of God, it would appear that not only are other Cylons in the fleet aware of her "existence", they are in communication with her: hence the arrival of "Shelly Godfrey" onboard the ''[[Galactica]]'' with her accusations of treachery at the precise time Six ceases to communicate with Baltar.

When Baltar began to deny Six's actual existence, she turned the tables by changing her appearance and told him that he was, indeed, "crazy" ([[Home, Part II]]). Baltar asked Dr. [[Cottle]] to perform a brain scan to check for anything unusual. "Nothing, nothing, more nothing" was the gruff diagnosis from Cottle. However, later in the same episode Baltar realized that the Six he sees could could not possibly be a hallucination caused by him going "crazy", because she knows things (such as that Caprica-[[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] was pregnant) that his subconscious mind has no way of knowing. When confronted with this, Six agreed that she was not a product of Baltars mind, even though scans show no chip in his brain. When Baltar asked her what exactly she was then, Six only replied that "I'm an angel of God sent here to protect you". However, Baltar may not have a conventionally visible chip in his head, but it could be organically-based (like the humanoid Cylons) and indistinguishable from other tissues in his brain or central nervous system. There is a remote chance that Baltar could be a Humano-Cylon himself (see the [[Gaius Baltar]] article for arguments for and against this notion).

== Shelly Godfrey ==
[[Image:bsg-1-07.jpg|thumb|[[William Adama|Commander Adama]] and an apparently distraught Ms. Godfrey.]]
"Shelly Godfrey" is the pseudonym adopted by an incarnation of [[Number Six]] that arrives on board the ''[[Galactica]]'' with a mission to apparently expose [[Gaius Baltar]] as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Her real aim, however, is to further push Baltar to a point where his only hope of salvation appears to be his complete acceptance of the Cylon concept of "[[God]]". Indeed, once he has reached this point, she rapidly goes into hiding (possibly unwittingly helped by [[Sharon Valerii]] on the ''Galactica''?) and later probably removes herself from the ship - or destroys herself.

During her time on the ''Galactica'', "Godfrey" very much reveals her underlying nature is very similar to that of her "sisters" as she attempts to seduce [[Adama, William|William Adama]].

Her appearance on the ''Galactica'' gives the clearest indication of all that Baltar's Six is an independent intelligence implanted in his head - and that, for all its statements to the contrary - it is somehow in contact with other humano-Cylons within the fleet (or at least in communication with any of its "sisters" which may be in the fleet). The appearance of "Shelly Godfrey" and the "disappearance" of Six from Baltar's mind is otherwise too coincidental to be believable.

=== Notes ===
*The last name '''Godfrey''' means God's Peace in the Germanic language.

== Gina ==
'''Gina''' is a [[Humano-Cylon]] who was "rescued" by the ''[[Pegasus]]'', claiming to be a survivng civilian dock worker. After befriending the crew, she betrayed them to the [[Cylons]], whom summarily boarded the ''Pegasus'' and terminated 800 of her crew.

Gina was captured and tortured by the ''Pegasus'' crew, as well as raped on a routine basis. When the ''Pegasus'' encountered the ''Galactica'' fleet, she was turned over to [[Gaius Baltar]] who examined her, concluding that Cylons are susceptible to the same psychological afflictions as human beings ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

A variant of [[Number Six]], Gina is physically identical to her "sister" with the exception of having shorter, darker hair. Gina also has lost her Cylon faith, perhaps as a result of the Cylon attack on the ''Pegasus'' or her subsequent abuse at the hands of its crew.

{{spoiltext|Gina apparently finds a way to kill Admiral Cain. ([[Resurrection Ship]])}}

===Notes===
Gina is a reference to some fans' derisive nickname for the Re-Imagined series, GINO - "Galactica In Name Only" (Itself a reference to [[Wikipedia:RINO|RINO]], a political term) (Source: "Pegasus" podcast)

== Caprican Overseer Copies ==

On Caprica, Six performs the role of a Cylon overseer, working with [[Aaron Doral]] to ensure their experiment involving the stranded [[Karl C. Agathon]] and Valerii either reaches its desired conclusion, or is suitably terminated ([[Litmus]], [[Secrets and Lies]]).

In this, she shares the same seductive characteristic as shown by her "sisters" at Armistice station and with Baltar - her first act on "freeing" the captured Agathon is to kiss him. Following the destruction of this particular Six (shot by Valerii, in order to enable her to "rescue" Agathon), her "sister" on Caprica demonstrates a certain vindictiveness towards Valerii when giving her a beating that goes far beyond the needs of the experiment ([[Litmus]]), thus revealing she may well be experiencing resentment for being shot (remembering that experiences and knowledge are passed from body to body among the various types of humano-Cylon), as well as jealousy at Valerii's chosen role in proceedings.

A further "overseer" Six is present at the Cylon's established base at [[Delphi]], and is briefly seen by [[Agathon, Karl C.|Helo]] when he attempts to gain access to the base in order to steal a ship and get off the planet ([[Colonial Day]]).

Another "overseer" Six was present at the "farm" where Starbuck was taken after she was incapacitated by the Cylons. While the Cylon doctor [[Simon]] operated on her, Six was there to relay orders and see that everything was proceeding smoothly. She was definitely the controlling figure of the operation ([[The Farm]]).

== Caprican Warrior Leaders ==
At least 3 additional variants of Six have been operational on Caprica, and appear to lead troops of Cylon [[Warriors]] and have a subservient role to the "overseer" Six variants. This variant of Six is distinguished by the white raincoat it wears.

One of these variants distracted Helo, enabling him to be captured ([[33]]), and was subsequently shot by [[Valerii, Sharon|Valerii]].

The second acted as an observer to Helo's "escape", and this same variant may have been leading the Warrior troop into the Caprican farm Helo was hiding in ([[The Hand of God]]).

The third was present at [[Delphi]], taking orders from an "overseer" Six.

==Notes==
*It has been claimed that the name "Number Six" may be an indirect tribute to [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001526/ Patrick McGoohan's] cult 1967 television series [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/ The Prisoner] - a series that addressed topics such as personal freedom and identity, mind control, illusionary experiences and the infiltration of society's supposed guardians (secret agents) by a nefarious force (those behind The Village).

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Number Six

2005-09-24T10:04:09Z

Davidkevin: /* Seducer and Infiltrator */

{{Character Data|
|photo=[[Image:Bsg-six-1.jpg|200px]]
|age= Late 20s
|colony= N/A
|birthname= N/A
|callsign= N/A
|death= Copies have been destroyed in several episodes
|parents= N/A
|siblings= N/A
|children= N/A
|marital status= N/A
|role= Cylon Infiltrator
|rank= N/A
|actor= [[Tricia Helfer]]
|cylon= y
}}

"'''Number Six'''" is a stunning blonde who plays several key roles in the [[Cylon]] military. She is the first [[Humano-Cylon]] that viewers witness in the reimagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' saga, and is apparently the sixth of twelve models of Humano-Cylon.

== Armistice Station Copy ==
She is a portent of doom for the peoples of the [[Twelve Colonies]]; she arrives on [[Armistice Station]] shortly before it is destroyed in what are the opening shots of the [[Cylon attack]] in the [[Mini-Series]].

== Seducer and Infiltrator ==

Prior to the attack, a copy of Six played an important role in preparing the way for a Cylon victory. Seducing the ambitious, self-obssessed, arrogant, and flawed Gaius Baltar, she fooled him into believing she was a corporate spy, seeking to gain advantage over her competitors in order to gain an lucrative defence contract ([[Mini-Series]]). Over the course of two years, she used Baltar to gain access to his work -- even to the extent of re-writing many of his own algorithms -- in order to subvert his own [[Command Navigation Program]] so that it could be used in the forthcoming Cylon attack to cripple Colonial forces.

In addition to this work, she performed a second role -- one which is potentially as important to the Cylons, but one in which she may not be fully capable of performing: trying to make Gaius Baltar fall in love with her and, possibly, have a child by her. This is a role that she admits to him is not an official part of her assignment, but it is in keeping with the apparent aims and goals of the Cylons -- for whom "love", expressed through the concept of their [[God]], is a motivating factor behind some of their later actions.

The fact that she is unable to become pregnant in her time with Baltar -- given that his is the type of man vain enough to forego any male form of contraception and expect the female to take the required precautions -- is suggestive that the humano-Cylons are physically, as well as mentally, configured for specific roles. Six is designed as a seducer -- a trend that repeatedly surfaces throughout her various incarnations -- not a child-bearer. However, she may be capable of childbearing but has chosen not to until the time was right.

With the opening of the Cylon attack, Baltar's Six is apparently destroyed protecting him from the effects of a nuclear blast shockwave on [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]].

== Baltar's Internal Six ==
[[image:Tigh_Me_Up_Tigh_Me_Down-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|[[Number Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] in his lab aborad ''[[Galactica]]''. (C. Universal Studios)]]
Fleeing the city and then the planet itself, Baltar is shocked to discover that Six lives on - inside his head.

At first he tries to dismiss her presence as a manifestation of his own guilt over what has happened to his people, and his role in it. However, Six suggests that she is in fact the result of a chip inside his head. However, while some of her "actions" - such as terrifying Baltar into determining how he can construct a genuine [[Cylon detector]] ([[Bastille Day]]) - very much suggest she is a part of his own psyche. But this is countered by her underlying actions and "deeds" - all of which represent a furtherance of those aims and goals she expressed as a corporeal entity, giving added weight to the idea that she is most likely a personality download contained within a chip in Baltar's head. Some of these are characteristics never witnessed by Baltar himself - such as her jealous reaction to [[Valerii]]'s visit with Baltar in his lab ([[Flesh and Bone]]), which closely mirrors the jealousy she shows towards Valerii on Caprica ([[Litmus]], [[Secrets and Lies]]).

Certainly, this seems to be the view Baltar himself comes to hold, as he relies more and more on her for guidance and insight into Cylons ways - so much so that she deliberately suggests that her presence within him is something for which other Cylons have no knowledge. However, in her relentless drive to get Baltar to fully accept the Cylon concept of God, it would appear that not only are other Cylons in the fleet aware of her "existence", they are in communication with her: hence the arrival of "Shelly Godfrey" onboard the ''[[Galactica]]'' with her accusations of treachery at the precise time Six ceases to communicate with Baltar.

When Baltar began to deny Six's actual existence, she turned the tables by changing her appearance and told him that he was, indeed, "crazy" ([[Home, Part II]]). Baltar asked Dr. [[Cottle]] to perform a brain scan to check for anything unusual. "Nothing, nothing, more nothing" was the gruff diagnosis from Cottle. However, later in the same episode Baltar realized that the Six he sees could could not possibly be a hallucination caused by him going "crazy", because she knows things (such as that Caprica-[[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] was pregnant) that his subconscious mind has no way of knowing. When confronted with this, Six agreed that she was not a product of Baltars mind, even though scans show no chip in his brain. When Baltar asked her what exactly she was then, Six only replied that "I'm an angel of God sent here to protect you". However, Baltar may not have a conventionally visible chip in his head, but it could be organically-based (like the humanoid Cylons) and indistinguishable from other tissues in his brain or central nervous system. There is a remote chance that Baltar could be a Humano-Cylon himself (see the [[Gaius Baltar]] article for arguments for and against this notion).

== Shelly Godfrey ==
[[Image:bsg-1-07.jpg|thumb|[[William Adama|Commander Adama]] and an apparently distraught Ms. Godfrey.]]
"Shelly Godfrey" is the pseudonym adopted by an incarnation of [[Number Six]] that arrives on board the ''[[Galactica]]'' with a mission to apparently expose [[Gaius Baltar]] as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Her real aim, however, is to further push Baltar to a point where his only hope of salvation appears to be his complete acceptance of the Cylon concept of "[[God]]". Indeed, once he has reached this point, she rapidly goes into hiding (possibly unwittingly helped by [[Sharon Valerii]] on the ''Galactica''?) and later probably removes herself from the ship - or destroys herself.

During her time on the ''Galactica'', "Godfrey" very much reveals her underlying nature is very similar to that of her "sisters" as she attempts to seduce [[Adama, William|William Adama]].

Her appearance on the ''Galactica'' gives the clearest indication of all that Baltar's Six is an independent intelligence implanted in his head - and that, for all its statements to the contrary - it is somehow in contact with other humano-Cylons within the fleet (or at least in communication with any of its "sisters" which may be in the fleet). The appearance of "Shelly Godfrey" and the "disappearance" of Six from Baltar's mind is otherwise too coincidental to be believable.

=== Notes ===
*The last name '''Godfrey''' means God's Peace in the Germanic language.

== Gina ==
'''Gina''' is a [[Humano-Cylon]] who was "rescued" by the ''[[Pegasus]]'', claiming to be a survivng civilian dock worker. After befriending the crew, she betrayed them to the [[Cylons]], whom summarily boarded the ''Pegasus'' and terminated 800 of her crew.

Gina was captured and tortured by the ''Pegasus'' crew, as well as raped on a routine basis. When the ''Pegasus'' encountered the ''Galactica'' fleet, she was turned over to [[Gaius Baltar]] who examined her, concluding that Cylons are susceptible to the same psychological afflictions as human beings ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

A variant of [[Number Six]], Gina is physically identical to her "sister" with the exception of having shorter, darker hair. Gina also has lost her Cylon faith, perhaps as a result of the Cylon attack on the ''Pegasus'' or her subsequent abuse at the hands of its crew.

{{spoiltext|Gina apparently finds a way to kill Admiral Cain. ([[Resurrection Ship]])}}

===Notes===
Gina is a reference to some fans' derisive nickname for the Re-Imagined series, GINO - "Galactica In Name Only" (Itself a reference to [[Wikipedia:RINO|RINO]], a political term) (Source: "Pegasus" podcast)

== Caprican Overseer Copies ==

On Caprica, Six performs the role of a Cylon overseer, working with [[Aaron Doral]] to ensure their experiment involving the stranded [[Karl C. Agathon]] and Valerii either reaches its desired conclusion, or is suitably terminated ([[Litmus]], [[Secrets and Lies]]).

In this, she shares the same seductive characteristic as shown by her "sisters" at Armistice station and with Baltar - her first act on "freeing" the captured Agathon is to kiss him. Following the destruction of this particular Six (shot by Valerii, in order to enable her to "rescue" Agathon), her "sister" on Caprica demonstrates a certain vindictiveness towards Valerii when giving her a beating that goes far beyond the needs of the experiment ([[Litmus]]), thus revealing she may well be experiencing resentment for being shot (remembering that experiences and knowledge are passed from body to body among the various types of humano-Cylon), as well as jealousy at Valerii's chosen role in proceedings.

A further "overseer" Six is present at the Cylon's established base at [[Delphi]], and is briefly seen by [[Agathon, Karl C.|Helo]] when he attempts to gain access to the base in order to steal a ship and get off the planet ([[Colonial Day]]).

Another "overseer" Six was present at the "farm" where Starbuck was taken after she was incapacitated by the Cylons. While the Cylon doctor [[Simon]] operated on her, Six was there to relay orders and see that everything was proceeding smoothly. She was definitely the controlling figure of the operation ([[The Farm]]).

== Caprican Warrior Leaders ==
At least 3 additional variants of Six have been operational on Caprica, and appear to lead troops of Cylon [[Warriors]] and have a subservient role to the "overseer" Six variants. This variant of Six is distinguished by the white raincoat it wears.

One of these variants distracted Helo, enabling him to be captured ([[33]]), and was subsequently shot by [[Valerii, Sharon|Valerii]].

The second acted as an observer to Helo's "escape", and this same variant may have been leading the Warrior troop into the Caprican farm Helo was hiding in ([[The Hand of God]]).

The third was present at [[Delphi]], taking orders from an "overseer" Six.

==Notes==
*It has been claimed that the name "Number Six" may be an indirect tribute to [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001526/ Patrick McGoohan's] cult 1967 television series [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/ The Prisoner] - a series that addressed topics such as personal freedom and identity, mind control, illusionary experiences and the infiltration of society's supposed guardians (secret agents) by a nefarious force (those behind The Village).

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Gaius Baltar

2005-09-24T09:40:41Z

Davidkevin: /* Cylon Manipulations */

{{Character Data|
|photo= [[Image:Bsg-baltar-1.jpg|200px]]
|age= mid-30s (approximated)
|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]
|birthname= Gaius Baltar
|callsign=
|death=
|parents= Unknown
|siblings= None
|children=
|marital status= Single
|role= Interim Vice President, [[Twelve Colonies|The Twelve Colonies of Kobol]])
|rank=
|actor= [[Callis, James|James Callis]]
|cylon=
}}

== Biography ==

=== Background ===

Gaius Baltar is a genius. Elegantly dressed and aesthetically handsome, with the affected humility of the truly arrogant, Baltar is a computer technology designer who has won three [[Magnate Prize]]s, and who was responsible for the design of the Colonial [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP).

He is also deeply flawed: Baltar is a pathological narsissist. Beneath his outstanding abilities lurks a pathological weakness of character. Self-absorbed, sly, guileful, and utterly dedicated to his own self-preservation, Baltar has carried on a two-year affair with a woman he believes to be a corporate spy -- even to the extent of using code she herself wrote to overcome shortfalls in his CNP -- and thus allowed her unrestricted access to some of the most sensitive systems known to humankind.

=== [[Cylon Attack]] ===
[[image:Mini-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] kissing in the [[Mini-Series]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
When the Cylons launch their attack, Baltar is horrified to learn that his "corporate spy" lover is in fact a new type of Cylon -- a [[Humano-Cylon]], able to mimic human beings down to the smallest detail -- and that she has in fact used his CNP as a gateway to make all integrated Colonial computers and defence systems vulnerable to a Cylon virus that subverts their command and control systems.

Appalled by the fact that his sexual folly has led to the virtual wiping-out of humanity, Baltar is nevetheless determined not only to survive, but also avoid having what amounts to his treachery exposed.

Helped off of Caprica following the forced-landing of a Colonial [[Raptor]] -- at the cost of [[Helo|one of the crew staying behind]] ([[Mini-Series]]) -- he is pleased to find himself treated with the same esteem he enjoyed back on Caprica. His only problem is that [[Number Six]], his former "lover" -- herself destroyed in the shockwave of a nuclear blast -- now appears to him in visions, and he cannot be sure whether this is a result of his own guilt at his actions or whether -- as she initially claims -- she is part of a chip that has been implanted in his brain.

Shortly after his arrival on the ''Galactica'', the fact that Cylons can look like humans becomes known to Commander [[Adama, William|William Adama]], and Batlar is put to work trying to devise a means of detecting humanoid Cylons. At the prompting of [[Number Six]], he exposes [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]] -- a PR exceutive who has been co-ordinating the media coverage of the ''Galactica's'' decommissioning -- as a Cylon agent ([[Mini-Series]]), using little more than invented technobabble to convince [[Colonel Tigh]]. As a result of this, and despite his protestations of innocence, Doral is put off the ship and left at the [[Ragnar Anchorage]].

Due to his unique abilities, Baltar is charged with turning his initial "[[Cylon detector]]" into a working machine capable of screening everyone in the fleet. While he at first balks at this, events such as the sabotaging of the ''Galactica's'' water reserves ([[Water]]) force him into a position where he can no longer procrastinate over the detector -- despite his fear that such a device might somehow expose him as the original traitor among humans. Gaining aid from a most unusual source -- his inner Six ([[Bastille Day]]) -- Baltar does eventually develop a genuine detector, which, together with his survival of an attempt to brand him as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), firmly establish his credentials within the fleet's hierarchy.

With this new-found trust, and despite his willingness to deliberately conceal vital information, such as [[Valerii, Sharon#"Boomer" Valerii|Lieutenant Valerii's]] true status as a [[Humano-Cylon]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]), Baltar is willing to be moved into the realm of political leadership, firstly as the Representative for [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]] on the [[Quorum of Twelve]], and then as the newly-elected Vice President within the fleet ([[Colonial Day]]).

=== Cylon Manipulations ===

The Cylons commenced their direct manipulations of Baltar some two years prior to the attack on the [[Twelve Colonies]], by bringing him into contact with their agent [[Number Six]], who instigated a torrid affair with him while at the same time using him to access vital Colonial command and control systems within the Ministry of Defence ([[Mini-Series]]).

This manipulation continued even after the Doctor left Caprica and Six behind, with Six appearing to him in sensory perceptions, possibly through an implant in his brain ([[Mini-Series]]) or perhaps even through a series of psychotic hallucinations as the Doctor struggles to reconcile his guilt and his desire of self-preservation.

Regardless of the cause of her appearances, Six has continued to both help and hinder Baltar, gradually drawing him to a point of near-open acceptance and participation in Cylon plans and activities ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). The majority of this manipulation has been through religious intrigue, linked to physical threats to Baltar's well-being. These have included:

* Using the threat of Baltar's former colleague, Dr. [[Amorak]], attempting to contact [[Roslin, Laura|President Roslin]] with information on a "traitor" within Colonial circles -- and only "removing" this threat once Baltar has "repented of his sins" ([[33]])
* Using the threat of direct accusation (in the form of "[[Number Six#"Shelly Godfrey"|Shelly Godfry]]") coupled with "photographic evidence" -- and only "removing" this threat once Baltar has "accepted" the Cylon God into his life ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
[[image:Scattered-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] seeing "the shape of things to come" in [[Scattered]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
Baltar's near-acquiescence to the [[God|Cylon religion]] comes when he goes through a process similar to the [[wikipedia:Evangelicalism|evangelical Christian]] belief in "rebirth" through adult baptism. In this, the new believer in the Christian faith is baptized (generally through full immersion in water), symbolizing the "death" of the "old" self and "birth" of the "new" Christian self. In [[The Hand of God]], Baltar apparently undergoes "death" at the hands of his inner Six when she "breaks" his neck -- and is "reborn" in his real life as the "instrument of God", able to point-out precisely where Colonial forces must strike in order to eliminate the Cylon base preventing them from accessing supplies of [[Tylium|tylium]].

This act leaves Baltar ripe for the final revelation of his role within Cylon expectations, when "the future" is revealed to him by Six on [[Kobol]], in the form of the first of "God's new generation of children" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Baltar is not particularly pleased by this, especialy when the fact that the first of these children is the child of him and Six is revealed to him ([[Scattered]]). Despite this, when he believes Commander Adama is trying to kill the child, he tries to stop this ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

== Notes ==
According to SkyOne, Baltar was born on Sagittaron and attracted to Caprica by the Colonial Defense Ministry.

== Speculation: The Real Baltar? ==

For Baltar to survive the destruction of Caprica was no small matter, especially considering he was in the wake a nuclear blast and that, apparently, the body of Six that he knew was destroyed in trying to protect his in the events of the mini-series. But that blast was substantial (not unlike that from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow pyroclastic flow]) and would tear through Six's body just as well as Baltar's. Six has had two years to gather plenty of Baltar's genetic material. Could the Baltar on ''Galactica'' be now, in fact, a Humano-Cylon?

Information from RDM indicate that, at the start of season 2, there are ''eight'' Cylon operatives that appear in the fleet. A Baltar copy would also had made matters very, very easy for the Cylons in their work to infiltrate the Colonial defenses and would be easily dropped in place to escape or happen to appear on a ship of the nascent fleet. Such clones may also explain the 'fake' recording from [[Shelly Godfrey]] of Baltar compromising Colonial computer systems in a latter Season 1 episode. Perhaps it was the Cylons who doctored what was, in reality, a legitimate recording of a Baltar copy.

One notable question would be why Six have spent so much time talking to Baltar, and then have thrown herself in front of the blast if she'd intended for him to die? If Baltar was already a humano-Cylon, his consciousness from that moment would be thrown into a waking duplicate, pre-disheveled and scraped, where Baltar would merely think he was blown clear to safety where he could run to escape attacks with other survivors. Also, since Baltar appeared to be key in many Cylon plans, they would want to ensure that Baltar would reach any remaining humans to spy for them, and having only one copy might risk the success of such plans. Further, it is the ''psyche'' of Baltar that the Cylons may treasure most; few others in the Colonies may have the level of intelligence, arrogance, and neurosis that Baltar has that could prove as easily exploited.

In addition, Six has stated her desire to have a child with Baltar. Humano-Cylon couplings have failed to result in offspring prior to that point (''[[The Farm]]''). If Baltar and Six were both Humano-Cylon, it is likely that offspring would either be impossible or at least exceptionally unlikely. This point gives the strongest evidence against the Baltar-as-Cylon theory, but cannot (yet) dismiss the notion.

In [[Home, Part II]], Six indicates that Baltar's and Six's child will be born in the isolation cage built for the ''Galactica'' [[Sharon Valerii]]. The reality turned out different: The Caprica version of Valerii, pregnant by [[Helo]], now occupies the cage by the end of that episode, and Six indicates that it is in fact '''Valerii's''' child that will become Baltar's. This gives some weight back to the Baltar-as-Cylon theory since Baltar becoming a father by surrogate circumvents the need for him to do so naturally. While Caprica-Valerii shows that a female Humano-Cylon could be made, no information is yet available on whether male Humano-Cylons could sire a child with human females. However, earlier in the first season, in "[[33]]", Six asked Baltar if he wanted to procreate with her, and at this point she may have meant an actual child of Baltar's. "Home, Part II" occured much later in the timeline, and it is possible that the Cylons and Number Six had to alter their plans during this time. Number Six did mention in "Home, Part II" that she didn't consider Sharon "worthy" of bearing one of "God's new children" (the Humano-Cylons). Perhaps Sharon was not originally planned to be the first mother of a hybrid baby at all, and Number Six was going to have a child with the (necessarily human) Baltar, but had to shift plans when Boomer became pregnant first.

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Gaius Baltar

2005-09-24T09:37:36Z

Davidkevin: /* Cylon Manipulations */

{{Character Data|
|photo= [[Image:Bsg-baltar-1.jpg|200px]]
|age= mid-30s (approximated)
|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]
|birthname= Gaius Baltar
|callsign=
|death=
|parents= Unknown
|siblings= None
|children=
|marital status= Single
|role= Interim Vice President, [[Twelve Colonies|The Twelve Colonies of Kobol]])
|rank=
|actor= [[Callis, James|James Callis]]
|cylon=
}}

== Biography ==

=== Background ===

Gaius Baltar is a genius. Elegantly dressed and aesthetically handsome, with the affected humility of the truly arrogant, Baltar is a computer technology designer who has won three [[Magnate Prize]]s, and who was responsible for the design of the Colonial [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP).

He is also deeply flawed: Baltar is a pathological narsissist. Beneath his outstanding abilities lurks a pathological weakness of character. Self-absorbed, sly, guileful, and utterly dedicated to his own self-preservation, Baltar has carried on a two-year affair with a woman he believes to be a corporate spy -- even to the extent of using code she herself wrote to overcome shortfalls in his CNP -- and thus allowed her unrestricted access to some of the most sensitive systems known to humankind.

=== [[Cylon Attack]] ===
[[image:Mini-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] kissing in the [[Mini-Series]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
When the Cylons launch their attack, Baltar is horrified to learn that his "corporate spy" lover is in fact a new type of Cylon -- a [[Humano-Cylon]], able to mimic human beings down to the smallest detail -- and that she has in fact used his CNP as a gateway to make all integrated Colonial computers and defence systems vulnerable to a Cylon virus that subverts their command and control systems.

Appalled by the fact that his sexual folly has led to the virtual wiping-out of humanity, Baltar is nevetheless determined not only to survive, but also avoid having what amounts to his treachery exposed.

Helped off of Caprica following the forced-landing of a Colonial [[Raptor]] -- at the cost of [[Helo|one of the crew staying behind]] ([[Mini-Series]]) -- he is pleased to find himself treated with the same esteem he enjoyed back on Caprica. His only problem is that [[Number Six]], his former "lover" -- herself destroyed in the shockwave of a nuclear blast -- now appears to him in visions, and he cannot be sure whether this is a result of his own guilt at his actions or whether -- as she initially claims -- she is part of a chip that has been implanted in his brain.

Shortly after his arrival on the ''Galactica'', the fact that Cylons can look like humans becomes known to Commander [[Adama, William|William Adama]], and Batlar is put to work trying to devise a means of detecting humanoid Cylons. At the prompting of [[Number Six]], he exposes [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]] -- a PR exceutive who has been co-ordinating the media coverage of the ''Galactica's'' decommissioning -- as a Cylon agent ([[Mini-Series]]), using little more than invented technobabble to convince [[Colonel Tigh]]. As a result of this, and despite his protestations of innocence, Doral is put off the ship and left at the [[Ragnar Anchorage]].

Due to his unique abilities, Baltar is charged with turning his initial "[[Cylon detector]]" into a working machine capable of screening everyone in the fleet. While he at first balks at this, events such as the sabotaging of the ''Galactica's'' water reserves ([[Water]]) force him into a position where he can no longer procrastinate over the detector -- despite his fear that such a device might somehow expose him as the original traitor among humans. Gaining aid from a most unusual source -- his inner Six ([[Bastille Day]]) -- Baltar does eventually develop a genuine detector, which, together with his survival of an attempt to brand him as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), firmly establish his credentials within the fleet's hierarchy.

With this new-found trust, and despite his willingness to deliberately conceal vital information, such as [[Valerii, Sharon#"Boomer" Valerii|Lieutenant Valerii's]] true status as a [[Humano-Cylon]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]), Baltar is willing to be moved into the realm of political leadership, firstly as the Representative for [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]] on the [[Quorum of Twelve]], and then as the newly-elected Vice President within the fleet ([[Colonial Day]]).

=== Cylon Manipulations ===

The Cylons commenced their direct manipulations of Baltar some two years prior to the attack on the [[Twelve Colonies]], by bringing him into contact with their agent [[Number Six]], who instigated a torrid affair with him while at the same time using him to access vital Colonial command and control systems within the Ministry of Defence ([[Mini-Series]]).

This manipulation continued even after the Doctor left Caprica and Six behind, with Six appearing to him in sensory perceptions, possibly through an implant in his brain ([[Mini-Series]]) or perhaps even through a series of psychotic hallucinations as the Doctor struggles to reconcile his guilt and his desire of self-preservation.

Regardless of the cause of her appearances, Six has continued to both help and hinder Baltar, gradually drawing him to a point of near-open acceptance and participation in Cylon plans and activities ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). The majority of this manipulation has been through religious intrigue, linked to physical threats to Baltar's well-being. These have included:

* Using the threat of Baltar's former colleague, Dr. [[Amorak]], attempting to contact [[Roslin, Laura|President Roslin]] with information on a "traitor" within Colonial circles -- and only "removing" this threat once Baltar has "repented of his sins" ([[33]])
* Using the threat of direct accusation (in the form of "[[Number Six#"Shelly Godfrey"|Shelly Godfry]]") coupled with "photographic evidence" -- and only "removing" this threat once Baltar has "accepted" the Cylon God into his life ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
[[image:Scattered-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] seeing "the shape of things to come" in [[Scattered]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
Baltar's near-acquiescence to the [[God|Cylon religion]] comes when he goes through a process similar to the [[wikipedia:Evangelicalism|evangelical Christian]] belief in "rebirth" through adult baptism. In this, the new believer in the Christian faith is baptized (generally through full immersion in water), symbolizing the "death" of the "old" self and "birth" of the "new" Christian self. In [[The Hand of God]], Baltar apparently undergoes "death" at the hands of his inner Six when she "breaks" his neck -- and is "reborn" in his real life as the "instrument of God", able to point-out precisely where Colonial forces must strike in order to eliminate the Cylon base preventing them from accessing supplies of [[Tylium|tylium]].

This act leaves Baltar ripe for the final revelation of his role within Cylon expectations, when "the future" is revealed to him by Six on [[Kobol]], in the form of the first of "God's new generation of children" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Baltar is not particularly pleased by this, especialy when the fact that the first of these children is the child of his and Six is revealed to him ([[Scattered]]). Despite this, when he believes Commander Adama is trying to kill the child, he tries to stop this ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

== Notes ==
According to SkyOne, Baltar was born on Sagittaron and attracted to Caprica by the Colonial Defense Ministry.

== Speculation: The Real Baltar? ==

For Baltar to survive the destruction of Caprica was no small matter, especially considering he was in the wake a nuclear blast and that, apparently, the body of Six that he knew was destroyed in trying to protect his in the events of the mini-series. But that blast was substantial (not unlike that from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow pyroclastic flow]) and would tear through Six's body just as well as Baltar's. Six has had two years to gather plenty of Baltar's genetic material. Could the Baltar on ''Galactica'' be now, in fact, a Humano-Cylon?

Information from RDM indicate that, at the start of season 2, there are ''eight'' Cylon operatives that appear in the fleet. A Baltar copy would also had made matters very, very easy for the Cylons in their work to infiltrate the Colonial defenses and would be easily dropped in place to escape or happen to appear on a ship of the nascent fleet. Such clones may also explain the 'fake' recording from [[Shelly Godfrey]] of Baltar compromising Colonial computer systems in a latter Season 1 episode. Perhaps it was the Cylons who doctored what was, in reality, a legitimate recording of a Baltar copy.

One notable question would be why Six have spent so much time talking to Baltar, and then have thrown herself in front of the blast if she'd intended for him to die? If Baltar was already a humano-Cylon, his consciousness from that moment would be thrown into a waking duplicate, pre-disheveled and scraped, where Baltar would merely think he was blown clear to safety where he could run to escape attacks with other survivors. Also, since Baltar appeared to be key in many Cylon plans, they would want to ensure that Baltar would reach any remaining humans to spy for them, and having only one copy might risk the success of such plans. Further, it is the ''psyche'' of Baltar that the Cylons may treasure most; few others in the Colonies may have the level of intelligence, arrogance, and neurosis that Baltar has that could prove as easily exploited.

In addition, Six has stated her desire to have a child with Baltar. Humano-Cylon couplings have failed to result in offspring prior to that point (''[[The Farm]]''). If Baltar and Six were both Humano-Cylon, it is likely that offspring would either be impossible or at least exceptionally unlikely. This point gives the strongest evidence against the Baltar-as-Cylon theory, but cannot (yet) dismiss the notion.

In [[Home, Part II]], Six indicates that Baltar's and Six's child will be born in the isolation cage built for the ''Galactica'' [[Sharon Valerii]]. The reality turned out different: The Caprica version of Valerii, pregnant by [[Helo]], now occupies the cage by the end of that episode, and Six indicates that it is in fact '''Valerii's''' child that will become Baltar's. This gives some weight back to the Baltar-as-Cylon theory since Baltar becoming a father by surrogate circumvents the need for him to do so naturally. While Caprica-Valerii shows that a female Humano-Cylon could be made, no information is yet available on whether male Humano-Cylons could sire a child with human females. However, earlier in the first season, in "[[33]]", Six asked Baltar if he wanted to procreate with her, and at this point she may have meant an actual child of Baltar's. "Home, Part II" occured much later in the timeline, and it is possible that the Cylons and Number Six had to alter their plans during this time. Number Six did mention in "Home, Part II" that she didn't consider Sharon "worthy" of bearing one of "God's new children" (the Humano-Cylons). Perhaps Sharon was not originally planned to be the first mother of a hybrid baby at all, and Number Six was going to have a child with the (necessarily human) Baltar, but had to shift plans when Boomer became pregnant first.

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Gaius Baltar

2005-09-24T09:31:46Z

Davidkevin: /* Cylon Attack */

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|age= mid-30s (approximated)
|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]
|birthname= Gaius Baltar
|callsign=
|death=
|parents= Unknown
|siblings= None
|children=
|marital status= Single
|role= Interim Vice President, [[Twelve Colonies|The Twelve Colonies of Kobol]])
|rank=
|actor= [[Callis, James|James Callis]]
|cylon=
}}

== Biography ==

=== Background ===

Gaius Baltar is a genius. Elegantly dressed and aesthetically handsome, with the affected humility of the truly arrogant, Baltar is a computer technology designer who has won three [[Magnate Prize]]s, and who was responsible for the design of the Colonial [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP).

He is also deeply flawed: Baltar is a pathological narsissist. Beneath his outstanding abilities lurks a pathological weakness of character. Self-absorbed, sly, guileful, and utterly dedicated to his own self-preservation, Baltar has carried on a two-year affair with a woman he believes to be a corporate spy -- even to the extent of using code she herself wrote to overcome shortfalls in his CNP -- and thus allowed her unrestricted access to some of the most sensitive systems known to humankind.

=== [[Cylon Attack]] ===
[[image:Mini-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] kissing in the [[Mini-Series]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
When the Cylons launch their attack, Baltar is horrified to learn that his "corporate spy" lover is in fact a new type of Cylon -- a [[Humano-Cylon]], able to mimic human beings down to the smallest detail -- and that she has in fact used his CNP as a gateway to make all integrated Colonial computers and defence systems vulnerable to a Cylon virus that subverts their command and control systems.

Appalled by the fact that his sexual folly has led to the virtual wiping-out of humanity, Baltar is nevetheless determined not only to survive, but also avoid having what amounts to his treachery exposed.

Helped off of Caprica following the forced-landing of a Colonial [[Raptor]] -- at the cost of [[Helo|one of the crew staying behind]] ([[Mini-Series]]) -- he is pleased to find himself treated with the same esteem he enjoyed back on Caprica. His only problem is that [[Number Six]], his former "lover" -- herself destroyed in the shockwave of a nuclear blast -- now appears to him in visions, and he cannot be sure whether this is a result of his own guilt at his actions or whether -- as she initially claims -- she is part of a chip that has been implanted in his brain.

Shortly after his arrival on the ''Galactica'', the fact that Cylons can look like humans becomes known to Commander [[Adama, William|William Adama]], and Batlar is put to work trying to devise a means of detecting humanoid Cylons. At the prompting of [[Number Six]], he exposes [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]] -- a PR exceutive who has been co-ordinating the media coverage of the ''Galactica's'' decommissioning -- as a Cylon agent ([[Mini-Series]]), using little more than invented technobabble to convince [[Colonel Tigh]]. As a result of this, and despite his protestations of innocence, Doral is put off the ship and left at the [[Ragnar Anchorage]].

Due to his unique abilities, Baltar is charged with turning his initial "[[Cylon detector]]" into a working machine capable of screening everyone in the fleet. While he at first balks at this, events such as the sabotaging of the ''Galactica's'' water reserves ([[Water]]) force him into a position where he can no longer procrastinate over the detector -- despite his fear that such a device might somehow expose him as the original traitor among humans. Gaining aid from a most unusual source -- his inner Six ([[Bastille Day]]) -- Baltar does eventually develop a genuine detector, which, together with his survival of an attempt to brand him as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), firmly establish his credentials within the fleet's hierarchy.

With this new-found trust, and despite his willingness to deliberately conceal vital information, such as [[Valerii, Sharon#"Boomer" Valerii|Lieutenant Valerii's]] true status as a [[Humano-Cylon]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]), Baltar is willing to be moved into the realm of political leadership, firstly as the Representative for [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]] on the [[Quorum of Twelve]], and then as the newly-elected Vice President within the fleet ([[Colonial Day]]).

=== Cylon Manipulations ===

The Cylons commenced their direct manipulations of Baltar some two years prior to the attack on the [[Twelve Colonies]], by bringing him into contact with their agent [[Number Six]], who instigated a torrid affair with him while at the same time using him to access vital Colonial command and control systems within the Ministry of Defence ([[Mini-Series]]).

This manipulation continued even after the Doctor left Caprica and Six behind, with Six appearing to him in a sensory perceptions, possibly through an implant in his brain ([[Mini-Series]]) or perhaps even through a series psychotic hallucinations as the Doctor struggles to reconcile his guilt and his desire of self-preservation.

Regardless of the cause of her appearances, Six has continued to both help and hinder Baltar, gradually drawing him to a point of near-open acceptance and participation in Cylon plans and activities ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). The majority of this manipulation has been through religious intrigue, linked to physical threats to Baltar's well-being. These have included:

* Using the threat of Baltar's former colleague, Dr. [[Amorak]], attempting to contact [[Roslin, Laura|President Roslin]] with information on a "traitor" within Colonial circles - and only "removing" this threat once Baltar has "repented of his sins" ([[33]])
* Using the threat of direct accusation (in the form of "[[Number Six#"Shelly Godfrey"|Shelly Godfry]]") coupled with "photographic evidence" - and only "removing" this threat once Baltar has "accept" the Cylon God into his life ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
[[image:Scattered-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] seeing "the shape of things to come" in [[Scattered]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
Baltar's near-acquiescence to the [[God|Cylon religion]] comes when he goes through a process similar to the [[wikipedia:Evangelicalism|evangelical Christian]] belief in "rebirth" through adult baptism. In this, the new believer in the Christian faith is baptized (generally through full immersion in water), symbolizing the "death" of the "old" self and "birth" of the "new" Christian self. In [[The Hand of God]], Baltar apparently undergoes "death" at the hands of his inner Six when she "breaks" his neck - and is "reborn" in his real life as the "instrument of God", able to point-out precisely where Colonial forces must strike in order to eliminate the Cylon base preventing them from accessing supplies of [[Tylium|tylium]].

This act leaves Baltar ripe for the final revelation of his role within Cylon expectations, when "the future" is revealed to him by Six on [[Kobol]], in the form of the first of "God's new generation of children" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Baltar is not particularly pleased by this, especialy when the fact that the first of these children is the child of he and Six is revealed to him ([[Scattered]]). Despite this, when he believes Commander Adama is trying to kill the child, he tries to stop this ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

== Notes ==
According to SkyOne, Baltar was born on Sagittaron and attracted to Caprica by the Colonial Defense Ministry.

== Speculation: The Real Baltar? ==

For Baltar to survive the destruction of Caprica was no small matter, especially considering he was in the wake a nuclear blast and that, apparently, the body of Six that he knew was destroyed in trying to protect his in the events of the mini-series. But that blast was substantial (not unlike that from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow pyroclastic flow]) and would tear through Six's body just as well as Baltar's. Six has had two years to gather plenty of Baltar's genetic material. Could the Baltar on ''Galactica'' be now, in fact, a Humano-Cylon?

Information from RDM indicate that, at the start of season 2, there are ''eight'' Cylon operatives that appear in the fleet. A Baltar copy would also had made matters very, very easy for the Cylons in their work to infiltrate the Colonial defenses and would be easily dropped in place to escape or happen to appear on a ship of the nascent fleet. Such clones may also explain the 'fake' recording from [[Shelly Godfrey]] of Baltar compromising Colonial computer systems in a latter Season 1 episode. Perhaps it was the Cylons who doctored what was, in reality, a legitimate recording of a Baltar copy.

One notable question would be why Six have spent so much time talking to Baltar, and then have thrown herself in front of the blast if she'd intended for him to die? If Baltar was already a humano-Cylon, his consciousness from that moment would be thrown into a waking duplicate, pre-disheveled and scraped, where Baltar would merely think he was blown clear to safety where he could run to escape attacks with other survivors. Also, since Baltar appeared to be key in many Cylon plans, they would want to ensure that Baltar would reach any remaining humans to spy for them, and having only one copy might risk the success of such plans. Further, it is the ''psyche'' of Baltar that the Cylons may treasure most; few others in the Colonies may have the level of intelligence, arrogance, and neurosis that Baltar has that could prove as easily exploited.

In addition, Six has stated her desire to have a child with Baltar. Humano-Cylon couplings have failed to result in offspring prior to that point (''[[The Farm]]''). If Baltar and Six were both Humano-Cylon, it is likely that offspring would either be impossible or at least exceptionally unlikely. This point gives the strongest evidence against the Baltar-as-Cylon theory, but cannot (yet) dismiss the notion.

In [[Home, Part II]], Six indicates that Baltar's and Six's child will be born in the isolation cage built for the ''Galactica'' [[Sharon Valerii]]. The reality turned out different: The Caprica version of Valerii, pregnant by [[Helo]], now occupies the cage by the end of that episode, and Six indicates that it is in fact '''Valerii's''' child that will become Baltar's. This gives some weight back to the Baltar-as-Cylon theory since Baltar becoming a father by surrogate circumvents the need for him to do so naturally. While Caprica-Valerii shows that a female Humano-Cylon could be made, no information is yet available on whether male Humano-Cylons could sire a child with human females. However, earlier in the first season, in "[[33]]", Six asked Baltar if he wanted to procreate with her, and at this point she may have meant an actual child of Baltar's. "Home, Part II" occured much later in the timeline, and it is possible that the Cylons and Number Six had to alter their plans during this time. Number Six did mention in "Home, Part II" that she didn't consider Sharon "worthy" of bearing one of "God's new children" (the Humano-Cylons). Perhaps Sharon was not originally planned to be the first mother of a hybrid baby at all, and Number Six was going to have a child with the (necessarily human) Baltar, but had to shift plans when Boomer became pregnant first.

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[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Gaius Baltar

2005-09-24T09:24:36Z

Davidkevin: /* Background */

{{Character Data|
|photo= [[Image:Bsg-baltar-1.jpg|200px]]
|age= mid-30s (approximated)
|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]
|birthname= Gaius Baltar
|callsign=
|death=
|parents= Unknown
|siblings= None
|children=
|marital status= Single
|role= Interim Vice President, [[Twelve Colonies|The Twelve Colonies of Kobol]])
|rank=
|actor= [[Callis, James|James Callis]]
|cylon=
}}

== Biography ==

=== Background ===

Gaius Baltar is a genius. Elegantly dressed and aesthetically handsome, with the affected humility of the truly arrogant, Baltar is a computer technology designer who has won three [[Magnate Prize]]s, and who was responsible for the design of the Colonial [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP).

He is also deeply flawed: Baltar is a pathological narsissist. Beneath his outstanding abilities lurks a pathological weakness of character. Self-absorbed, sly, guileful, and utterly dedicated to his own self-preservation, Baltar has carried on a two-year affair with a woman he believes to be a corporate spy -- even to the extent of using code she herself wrote to overcome shortfalls in his CNP -- and thus allowed her unrestricted access to some of the most sensitive systems known to humankind.

=== [[Cylon Attack]] ===
[[image:Mini-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] kissing in the [[Mini-Series]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
When the Cylons launch their attack, Baltar is horrified to learn that his "corporate spy" lover is in fact a new type of Cylon - a [[Humano-Cylon]], able to mimic human beings down to the smallest detail - and that she has in fact used his CNP as a gateway to make all integrated Colonial computers and defence systems vulnerable to a Cylon virus that subverts their command and control systems.

Appalled by the fact that his sexual folly has led to the virtual wiping-out of humanity, Baltar is nevetheless determined not only to survive, but also avoid having what amounts to his treachery exposed.

Helped off of Caprica following the forced-landing of a Colonial [[Raptor]] - at the cost of [[Helo|one of the crew staying behind]] ([[Mini-Series]]), he is pleased to find himself treated with the same esteem he enjoyed back on Caprica. His only problem is that [[Number Six]], his former "lover" - herself destroyed in the shockwave of a nuclear blast - now appears to him in visions, and he cannot be sure whether this is a result of his own guilt at his actions or whether - as she initially claims - she is part of a chip that has been implanted in his brain.

Shortly after his arrival on the ''Galactica'', the fact that Cylons can look like humans becomes known to Commander [[Adama, William|William Adama]], and Batlar is put to work trying to devise a means of detecting humanoid Cylons. At the prompting of [[Number Six]], he exposes [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]] - a PR exceutive who has been co-ordinating the media coverage of the ''Galactica's'' decommissioning - as a Cylon agent ([[Mini-Series]]), using little more than invented technobabble to convince [[Colonel Tigh]]. As a result of this, and despite his protestations of innocence, Doral is put off the ship and left at the [[Ragnar Anchorage]].

Due to his unique abilities, Baltar is charged with turning his initial "[[Cylon detector]]" into a working machine capable of screening everyone in the fleet. While he at first baulks at this, events such as the sabotaging of the ''Galactica's'' water reserves ([[Water]]) force him into a position where he can no longer procrastinate over the detector - despite his fear that such a device might somehow expose him as the original traitor among humans. Gaining aid from a most unusual source - his inner Six ([[Bastille Day]]) - Baltar does eventually develop a genuine detector, which, together with his survival of an attempt to brand him as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), firmly establish his credentials within the fleet's hierarchy.

With this new-found trust, and despite his willingness to deliberately conceal vital information, such as [[Valerii, Sharon#"Boomer" Valerii|Lieutenant Valerii's]] true status as a [[Humano-Cylon]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]), Baltar is willing to be moved into the realm of political leadership, firstly as the Representative for [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]] on the [[Quorum of Twelve]], and then as the newly-elected Vice President within the fleet ([[Colonial Day]]).

=== Cylon Manipulations ===

The Cylons commenced their direct manipulations of Baltar some two years prior to the attack on the [[Twelve Colonies]], by bringing him into contact with their agent [[Number Six]], who instigated a torrid affair with him while at the same time using him to access vital Colonial command and control systems within the Ministry of Defence ([[Mini-Series]]).

This manipulation continued even after the Doctor left Caprica and Six behind, with Six appearing to him in a sensory perceptions, possibly through an implant in his brain ([[Mini-Series]]) or perhaps even through a series psychotic hallucinations as the Doctor struggles to reconcile his guilt and his desire of self-preservation.

Regardless of the cause of her appearances, Six has continued to both help and hinder Baltar, gradually drawing him to a point of near-open acceptance and participation in Cylon plans and activities ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). The majority of this manipulation has been through religious intrigue, linked to physical threats to Baltar's well-being. These have included:

* Using the threat of Baltar's former colleague, Dr. [[Amorak]], attempting to contact [[Roslin, Laura|President Roslin]] with information on a "traitor" within Colonial circles - and only "removing" this threat once Baltar has "repented of his sins" ([[33]])
* Using the threat of direct accusation (in the form of "[[Number Six#"Shelly Godfrey"|Shelly Godfry]]") coupled with "photographic evidence" - and only "removing" this threat once Baltar has "accept" the Cylon God into his life ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
[[image:Scattered-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] seeing "the shape of things to come" in [[Scattered]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
Baltar's near-acquiescence to the [[God|Cylon religion]] comes when he goes through a process similar to the [[wikipedia:Evangelicalism|evangelical Christian]] belief in "rebirth" through adult baptism. In this, the new believer in the Christian faith is baptized (generally through full immersion in water), symbolizing the "death" of the "old" self and "birth" of the "new" Christian self. In [[The Hand of God]], Baltar apparently undergoes "death" at the hands of his inner Six when she "breaks" his neck - and is "reborn" in his real life as the "instrument of God", able to point-out precisely where Colonial forces must strike in order to eliminate the Cylon base preventing them from accessing supplies of [[Tylium|tylium]].

This act leaves Baltar ripe for the final revelation of his role within Cylon expectations, when "the future" is revealed to him by Six on [[Kobol]], in the form of the first of "God's new generation of children" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Baltar is not particularly pleased by this, especialy when the fact that the first of these children is the child of he and Six is revealed to him ([[Scattered]]). Despite this, when he believes Commander Adama is trying to kill the child, he tries to stop this ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

== Notes ==
According to SkyOne, Baltar was born on Sagittaron and attracted to Caprica by the Colonial Defense Ministry.

== Speculation: The Real Baltar? ==

For Baltar to survive the destruction of Caprica was no small matter, especially considering he was in the wake a nuclear blast and that, apparently, the body of Six that he knew was destroyed in trying to protect his in the events of the mini-series. But that blast was substantial (not unlike that from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow pyroclastic flow]) and would tear through Six's body just as well as Baltar's. Six has had two years to gather plenty of Baltar's genetic material. Could the Baltar on ''Galactica'' be now, in fact, a Humano-Cylon?

Information from RDM indicate that, at the start of season 2, there are ''eight'' Cylon operatives that appear in the fleet. A Baltar copy would also had made matters very, very easy for the Cylons in their work to infiltrate the Colonial defenses and would be easily dropped in place to escape or happen to appear on a ship of the nascent fleet. Such clones may also explain the 'fake' recording from [[Shelly Godfrey]] of Baltar compromising Colonial computer systems in a latter Season 1 episode. Perhaps it was the Cylons who doctored what was, in reality, a legitimate recording of a Baltar copy.

One notable question would be why Six have spent so much time talking to Baltar, and then have thrown herself in front of the blast if she'd intended for him to die? If Baltar was already a humano-Cylon, his consciousness from that moment would be thrown into a waking duplicate, pre-disheveled and scraped, where Baltar would merely think he was blown clear to safety where he could run to escape attacks with other survivors. Also, since Baltar appeared to be key in many Cylon plans, they would want to ensure that Baltar would reach any remaining humans to spy for them, and having only one copy might risk the success of such plans. Further, it is the ''psyche'' of Baltar that the Cylons may treasure most; few others in the Colonies may have the level of intelligence, arrogance, and neurosis that Baltar has that could prove as easily exploited.

In addition, Six has stated her desire to have a child with Baltar. Humano-Cylon couplings have failed to result in offspring prior to that point (''[[The Farm]]''). If Baltar and Six were both Humano-Cylon, it is likely that offspring would either be impossible or at least exceptionally unlikely. This point gives the strongest evidence against the Baltar-as-Cylon theory, but cannot (yet) dismiss the notion.

In [[Home, Part II]], Six indicates that Baltar's and Six's child will be born in the isolation cage built for the ''Galactica'' [[Sharon Valerii]]. The reality turned out different: The Caprica version of Valerii, pregnant by [[Helo]], now occupies the cage by the end of that episode, and Six indicates that it is in fact '''Valerii's''' child that will become Baltar's. This gives some weight back to the Baltar-as-Cylon theory since Baltar becoming a father by surrogate circumvents the need for him to do so naturally. While Caprica-Valerii shows that a female Humano-Cylon could be made, no information is yet available on whether male Humano-Cylons could sire a child with human females. However, earlier in the first season, in "[[33]]", Six asked Baltar if he wanted to procreate with her, and at this point she may have meant an actual child of Baltar's. "Home, Part II" occured much later in the timeline, and it is possible that the Cylons and Number Six had to alter their plans during this time. Number Six did mention in "Home, Part II" that she didn't consider Sharon "worthy" of bearing one of "God's new children" (the Humano-Cylons). Perhaps Sharon was not originally planned to be the first mother of a hybrid baby at all, and Number Six was going to have a child with the (necessarily human) Baltar, but had to shift plans when Boomer became pregnant first.

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Earth

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''Mostly harmless''

== In the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagining]] ==

Earth is the alleged location of the [[13th Colony]], destination of the 13th tribe of [[Kobol]], as related in the [[Sacred Scrolls]].

[[Adama, William|Commander Adama]] uses the legend of Earth to give his people hope following the devastating [[Cylon attack]] on the Twelve Colonies, claiming that it is no myth and that its location was a closely-guarded secret among the senior military leaders - himself included.

While she is initially sceptical - going so far as to rebuke Adama for his lies to his crew, [[Roslin, Laura|Laura Roslin]] nevertheless becomes the most fervent believer in Earth. Her transition is apparently due to her use of [[Chamalla]] to treat her cancer, a side-effect of the treatment seeming to be visions. For Roslin, these begin with a dream about [[Conoy, Leoben|Leoben Conoy]] before he is discovered hiding in the fleet ([[Flesh and Bone]]) - and who first gives them a clue that they will find Earth; and they culminate with visions of the [[Tomb of Athena]] on [[Kobol]] and the [[Arrow of Apollo]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]), both of which set her at odds with Adama, and result in her arrest and removal from office on Adama's orders ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

In the [[Sacred Scrolls]] Earth is said to be the planet where the 13th tribe could look into the sky and see their twelve brothers: constellations of stars in the shapes symbolizing the other twelve tribes (the constellation of Capricorn for Caprica). ([[Home, Part II]]).

== In the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] ==

Earth is a [[13th Colony]]; its settlers departing from [[Kobol]] after a social and environmental cataclysm made Kobol uninhabitable. As stated in the [[Book of the Word]], the [[13th Tribe]] left opposite the other [[12 Tribes]], the information to their location residing in the tomb of the [[Ninth Lord of Kobol]]. ([[Lost Planet of the Gods]])

Transmissions from Earth -- i.e. the [[Apollo Moon Landing]] -- were picked up by [[Apollo (TOS)|Captain Apollo]] in the [[Celestial Temple]] on an obsolete [[Gamma Frequency]], though the copy of the transmission was destroyed in the attack on the [[Cylon basestar (TOS)|Cylon basestar]]. ([[The Hand of God (TOS)|The Hand of God]])

== Notes (Non-Canonical) ==

In the nefarious <i>[[Galactica 1980]]</i>, Earth was discovered. Much to the dismay of Adama and the survivors, the humans on Earth were underdeveloped and would not be able to defend themselves from the [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]].

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Sacred Scrolls

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A set of writings the form the basis of Colonial religion and which record much of the alleged history of humanity, including life on [[Kobol]] before the great exodus, and some of the legend of [[Earth]].

Some of the scrolls were written 3,600 years ago by [[Pythia]], and are believed by some to foretell the current exodus from the [[Twelve Colonies]].

Many of the scrolls are used in religious ceremonies, such as the Service of the Dead ([[Mini-Series]], [[Act of Contrition]]).

==Contents==

===The Book of Pythia===
'''Roslin:''' Who is Pythia?<br>'''Elosha:''' One of the oracles in the sacred scrolls. 3,600 years ago. Pythia wrote about the exile and rebirth of the human race. ([[The Hand of God]])

====The Cycle of Time====
'''Leoben:''' ''"All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."'' ([[Flesh and Bone]])

'''Six:''' ''"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."'' ([[The Hand of God]])

'''Roslin:''' If you believe in the gods, then you believe in the cycle of time that we are all playing our parts in a story that is told again, and again, and again throughout eternity. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====The Dying Leader====
'''Elosha:''' ''"And the lords anointed a leader to guide the Caravan of the Heavens to their new homeland."'' ([[The Hand of God]])

'''Elosha:''' She also wrote that the new leader suffered a wasting disease and would not live to enter the new land. ([[The Hand of God]])

'''Roslin:''' The scriptures tell us a dying leader lead humanity to the promised land. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====A Vision of Serpents====
'''Elosha:''' ''"And unto the leader they gave a vision of serpents numbering two and ten, as a sign of things to come."'' ([[The Hand of God]])

====The Serpents Lead the People Into Battle?====
'''Six:''' ''"Led by serpents numbering two and ten..."'' (fragment) ([[The Hand of God]])

====A Confrontation at the Home of the Gods====
'''Six:''' ''"Though the outcome favored the few, it led to a confrontation at the home of the gods."'' ([[The Hand of God]])

====The Lower Demon====
'''Elosha:''' The scrolls of Pythia do speak of a lower demon, who helped the people in a time of crisis. ([[Home, Part I]])

====The Blaze and the High Road====
'''Elosha:''' ''"And the blaze pursued them, and the people of Kobol had a choice. To board the great ship, or take the high road through the rocky ridge."''<br>
'''Boomer (continuing):''' ''"And the body of each tribe's leader was offered to the gods in the tomb of Athena."'' And the great ship was the galleon that departed from here, where we're standing. And it took the founders of the thirteen colonies to their destiny. And those that didn't board the galleon took the high road, a rocky ridge that lead to the tomb. ([[Home, Part I]])

'''Elosha:''' The path is supposed to be marked by gravestones. ([[Home, Part I]])

====The Gates of Hera====
'''Boomer:''' That's the spot where your god supposedly stood and watched Athena throw herself down onto the rocks below, out of despair over the Exodus of the thirteen tribes. Athena's tomb, whoever or whatever she really was, is probably up there. ([[Home, Part II]])

====The Arrow of Apollo====
'''Roslin:''' ''"And the Arrow of Apollo will open the Tomb of Athena."'' ([[Home, Part II]])

'''Elosha:''' The scriptures tell us that Kobol points the way to Earth. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

'''Roslin:''' According to the scriptures, if we had the arrow of Apollo we could take it down to Kobol and we could use it to open the tomb of Athena and find our way to Earth. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====Kobol and the Blood Price====
'''Adama:''' ''"And Zeus warned the leaders of the twelve tribes that any return to Kobol would exact a price in blood."'' ([[Home, Part II]])

===History===

====Pre-Exodus====
'''Elosha:''' This place is Kobol... birthplace of mankind, where the gods and men lived in paradise until the exodus of the thirteen tribes. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====The Exodus====
'''Elosha:''' How old are the ruins?<br>'''Billy:''' Well, we won't know for sure until we send a ground team, but the initial estimates have it on the order of approximately 2,000 years.<br>'''Elosha:''' That's around the time the thirteen tribes first left Kobol. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====The Thirteenth Tribe on Earth====
'''Starbuck:''' The scriptures say that when the thirteenth tribe landed on Earth, they looked up into the heavens and they saw their twelve brothers. ([[Home, Part II]])

===Sayings===
'''Adama:''' ''"The gods shall lift those who lift each other."'' ([[Home, Part II]])

==Notes==

The Cycle of Time is apparently a key component of Colonial theology. The notion of a circular progression of time (also known as [[Wikipedia:Eternal return|eternal return]] or eternal recurrence) is foreign to the ancient Greek religion of which Colonial religion are largely based, but it is a common theme in other religions. Some Hindus believe in an endless cycle of ages called [[Wikipedia:Yuga|Yugas]]. The ancient [[Wikipedia:Maya|Maya]] people, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Inca|Incas]] and [[Wikipedia:Aztec|Aztecs]] also believed in the circular nature of time. In philosophy, the [[Wikipedia:Stoics|Stoics]], a movement originating in ancient Greece, held the doctrine. In the nineteenth century, the doctrine appears in the writings of [[Wikipedia:Friedrich Nietzsche|Friedrich Nietzsche]] as a method of life-affirmation.

The book of Pythia, which contains or is identical to the Pythian Prophecy, was written 1,600 years before the exodus of the thirteen tribes from Kobol, and yet it apparently contains a detailed narrative of the events of the Exodus, and continues to be interpreted as a source of prophecy 2,000 years after its prophecies have (apparently) already been fulfilled. We may thus interpret the entire text as a prophecy, since the events it describes can be firmly dated to a point well after its text was written.

==Analysis==

===Correspondences===
Assuming the events following the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] are a repetition of the events predicted by Pythia, and which came to pass centuries later, we can make use of the prophecy by first constructing a coherent historical narrative from them and then looking for correspondences with the events of the series.

*The Lower Demon is [[Sharon Valerii#Caprica Valerii|the Caprica copy of Sharon Valerii]]
*The Dying Leader is President [[Laura Roslin]]
*The "serpents numbering two and ten" are the [[Viper]]s of Strike Force Two in the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]].
*The fleet defended by the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' is the "Caravan of the Heavens".
*The "price in blood" has been paid by various people including [[Crashdown]] and [[Elosha]].

===The "One Exodus" Interpretation===
This interpretation assumes that the timeline is recurring on a scale of 1,600 to 2,000 years, and the exodus from Kobol is directly parellel to the exodus from the Twelve Colonies. It also makes some correspondences in addition to those above:

*The "Blaze" identified by Sharon Valerii is an earlier parallel to the cylon attack. The hostile force is the Cylon [[God]].
*The Home of the Gods is [[Kobol]], and the people of [[Kobol]] are the [[Twelve Colonies]], in a somewhat metaphorical sense.

The timeline would procede thus:

#The people of Kobol lived in divine utopia with their gods.
#A hostile force - of which "the blaze" and the "lower demon" were parts - moves against the people of Kobol.
#The gods appoint a leader afflicted with a wasting disease to lead a "caravan of the heavens".
#The leader, with the aid of twelve "serpents", wins a perilous battle.
#The people make their way to the "home of the gods".
#Athena despairs and commits suicide.
#The leaders of the people are taken to the Tomb of Athena to be sacrificed to the remaining gods.
#The body of the people depart in a "galleon" for the colonies.
#Instructions are left to open the Tomb of Athena.
#Zeus warns against a return to Kobol.
#The twelve tribes settle on the [[Twelve Colonies]]. The thirteen tribe settles on [[Earth]].

Questions and Predictions:
*Can [[Earth]] be at once the "promised land" in this iteration and the last?
*Can we expect the deaths of the leaders of the tribes (the [[Quorum of Twelve]]?) to propitiate the Gods?
*Was the Galleon a part of the Caravan of the Heavens, or its destination?

This history is admittedly not especially coherent, but suggests the possibility of predicting at least some unfulfilled pieces of scripture. Another interpretation which deals with the repetition of historical events on a larger scale is offered below.

===The "Three Exodi" Interpretation===
This interpretation does not assume that the flight from the [[Twelve Colonies]] mirror the original exodus from [[Kobol]]. Instead, it assumes that these two exodi are part of the same event-continuum and posits a third, implied, exodus. Like the "One Exodus" interpretation, this one assumes that Pythia's prophecies have and will come true. Below is the proposed order of events for Pythia's prophecies:

#The people of Kobol live in divine utopia with their Gods.
#The "blaze" moves against the people of Kobol.
#The body of the people depart in a "galleon" for the colonies (the four inset items are roughly concurrent).
#*Athena despairs and commits suicide.
#*The leaders of the people are taken to the Tomb of Athena to be sacrificed to the remaining gods.
#*Instructions are left to open the Tomb of Athena.
#*Zeus warns against a return to Kobol.
#The twelve tribes settle on the [[Twelve Colonies]]. The thirteen tribe settles on [[Earth]].
#The Cylons decimate the Twelve Colonies (Whether this is prophesied is unknown, but this clearly happened).
#The gods appoint a leader afflicted with a wasting disease to lead a "caravan of the heavens".
#The leader, with the aid of twelve "serpents", wins a perilous battle.
#The people make their way to the "home of the gods".
#A "lower demon" helps the people of Kobol find the Tomb of Athena.

Note, too, that this is only a part of the story according to the "Three Exodi" interpretation. It assumes that passages not yet revealed in the series outline (however vaguely) the finding of Earth and some time spent there, and then an event that spurs a migration back to Kobol. In this interpretation, the people of Kobol are actually the remnants of [[the Twelve Colonies]], both their descendants and their ancestors. From there, the cycle starts again. The cycle is much longer in this interpretation (roughly 4,000 years, as opposed to roughly 1,600-2,000 years)

It is helpful to think of no particular part as the beginning. This is how the pictures of the constellations (only visible from Earth) would be accessible to the people of Kobol "before" any of them had been to Earth. It also explains how the Scrolls can speak about the fate of the Thirteenth Colony and yet be in the possession of people from the Twelve Colonies. In fact, when Pythia was writing about the events in the show, she might have been recording fairly-recent history, rather that far-future prophesy. The vagueness would be mostly due to nearly 4,000 years of linguistic drift, rather than due to the mists of prophecy.

Basically, this interpretation asserts a roughly 3,600-4,000 year cycle which can be illustrated by this crude flow-chart:<br\>
Kobol > Colonies, Colonies > Earth, Earth > Kobol

===General Questions===

*Are the [[Lords of Kobol]] still an agentive force in this iteration of the cycle?
*Who were the Lords of Kobol? The Caprica Valerii does not deny their existence, and the Tomb of Athena strongly attests to her life and death, but she does not believe they were gods. They were evidently distraught at the calamity which befell their people. Who was responsible for it, and why were the gods powerless to intervene?
*Did the people of the colonies leave Kobol with the assistance of the gods, or under their own power?
*What was the nature of the "galleon"? Was it a large STL colony ship? Did it have an FTL drive?

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