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Talk:Cylon Models/Archive 1

2006-03-16T15:24:14Z

Dancing salad: some correction to my own text.

==Image Requests==
#Number Six's glowing spine from the "Miniseries"
:::done. --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 12:11, 26 February 2006 (EST)
#Valerii's viper optic arm trick from "Flight of the Phoenix"
::: [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images]] --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 12:11, 26 February 2006 (EST)
#Thrace cutting into the downed raider's brain from "You Can't Go Home Again"
::: Done. More on [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images]] --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 12:11, 26 February 2006 (EST)
#Closer-cropped headshots of each of the six known Cylons --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:17, 30 December 2005 (EST)
:::as you wish ;) --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 11:20, 26 February 2006 (EST)

More?
:Thanks, it looks fantastic. I only wonder if we can't find a better picture of Doral... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:19, 26 February 2006 (EST)
:: i'm really trying to. i think the previous was crappier than this one, but it doesn't make this a good one. by the way, the background color is painful! =D --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 15:32, 26 February 2006 (EST)

:::Agreed; Doral could stand to be better.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:45, 2 March 2006 (CST)

''"Organizational Relationships''

''The exact nature of the Cylon hierarchy remains unclear. The humanoid models, as the most evolved form of Cylon, are definitely in charge of the Centurions and Raiders. Caprica-Six's statement in "Downloaded" that Cylon culture is based on unity and that celebrities such as herself are something new implies that there is no single "Imperious Leader" as there was in the old series. Copies of Numbers Three, Five, Six, and Eight are most often seen in command positons. "''

i don't agree. can i have some other opinion about this? --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 08:02, 16 March 2006 (CST)

:What's your opinion? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 08:32, 16 March 2006 (CST)
::well, i think we shouldn't say the humanoids are in charge, but thats not the main point. i think we everybody agree about the non humanoid execute orders and do most military actions, and, when with cylon agents, the last ones are in charge. but i non-humanoids are like instruments, just like animals or sensor powered machines with no full artificial inteligence.
::what i want to discuss about is "Cylon culture is based on unity".c ylon culture is actually based on the fact that enybody is fully necessary, they are all clones, when dead another one is replacing them, and their missions are minor parts from a great plan. cylons DO have a plan, we mustn't forget it, no matter it seems not (hey, they finnaly taken their planetary colony, twice xD).
::the caprica copies were uniques were living with humans, they have really decisive missions, and they were heroes. so, when introduced back on their original culture, they couldn't engage. for the cylon culture they were dangerous, as they are leading voices who can make the cylon agent having their own opinions as the caprica copies have. they are fully IA (or whatever they are) and can question, for example, the cylon atack against the colonies.
::"Copies of Numbers Three, Five, Six, and Eight are most often seen in command positions." we know 7 agents and are mentioned 4, thats like saying "men between 25-55 y o are usually in command of younger ones". i think thats more a personality issue rather than military. when seen, we didn't know more models. in fact, they are not only the most often seen in command positions, but also the most often seen.
::and, about the imperious leader, as i said before, their culture is about to execute plan. the fact that the audience and the colonial leaders haven't met a cylon leader yet doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. by the other hand, i'm not saying that actually does, but i think we shouldn't give information far away from the series information by the last '''aired''' episode.
::EDIT.: oh, i hadn't understood "unity" the right way. well, now i think it's confusing. not beacuse i have confused it, but because the information is one step closer to the speculation instead of actual facts. how do the agents give orders to raiders or explain missions? and when have we seen an agent giving an order to a centurion? all we know is that they execute actions. maybe they do beacuse agents can't. as agents execute missions the centurions can't. imagining is true they have no leader, why have they to have militar levels?
:: as i'm not saying it must be deleted, i think is too close to the line and has to be often revisited. thats why i've asked for you opinion.
::btw, has anybody found a better Doral pic? i'm still loking for, but it's not easy! a Cavil one was earlier found! xD
::have a nice day! --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 09:23, 16 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:Cylon Models/Archive 1

2006-03-16T15:23:20Z

Dancing salad:

==Image Requests==
#Number Six's glowing spine from the "Miniseries"
:::done. --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 12:11, 26 February 2006 (EST)
#Valerii's viper optic arm trick from "Flight of the Phoenix"
::: [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images]] --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 12:11, 26 February 2006 (EST)
#Thrace cutting into the downed raider's brain from "You Can't Go Home Again"
::: Done. More on [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images]] --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 12:11, 26 February 2006 (EST)
#Closer-cropped headshots of each of the six known Cylons --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:17, 30 December 2005 (EST)
:::as you wish ;) --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 11:20, 26 February 2006 (EST)

More?
:Thanks, it looks fantastic. I only wonder if we can't find a better picture of Doral... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:19, 26 February 2006 (EST)
:: i'm really trying to. i think the previous was crappier than this one, but it doesn't make this a good one. by the way, the background color is painful! =D --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 15:32, 26 February 2006 (EST)

:::Agreed; Doral could stand to be better.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:45, 2 March 2006 (CST)

''"Organizational Relationships''

''The exact nature of the Cylon hierarchy remains unclear. The humanoid models, as the most evolved form of Cylon, are definitely in charge of the Centurions and Raiders. Caprica-Six's statement in "Downloaded" that Cylon culture is based on unity and that celebrities such as herself are something new implies that there is no single "Imperious Leader" as there was in the old series. Copies of Numbers Three, Five, Six, and Eight are most often seen in command positons. "''

i don't agree. can i have some other opinion about this? --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 08:02, 16 March 2006 (CST)

:What's your opinion? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 08:32, 16 March 2006 (CST)
::well, i think we shouldn't say the humanoids are in charge, but thats not the main point. i think we everybody agree about the non humanoid execute orders and do most military actions, and, when with cylon agents, the last ones are in charge. but i non-humanoids are like instruments, just like animals or sensor powered machines with no full artificial inteligence.
::what i want to discuss about is "Cylon culture is based on unity".c ylon culture is actually based on the fact that enybody is fully necessary, they are all clones, when dead another one is replacing them, and their missions are minor parts from a great plan. cylons DO have a plan, we mustn't forget it, no matter it seems not (hey, they finnaly taken their planetary colony, twice xD).
::the caprica copies were uniques were living with humans, they have really decisive missions, and they were heroes. so, when introduced back on their original culture, they couldn't engage. for the cylon culture they were dangerous, as they are leading voices who can make the cylon agent having their own opinions as the caprica copies have. they are fully IA (or whatever they are) and can question, for example, the cylon atack against the colonies.
::"Copies of Numbers Three, Five, Six, and Eight are most often seen in command positions." we know 7 agents and are mentioned 4, thats like saying "men between 25-55 y o are usually in command of younger ones". i think thats more a personality issue rather than military. when seen, we didn't know more models. in fact, they are not only the most often seen in command positions, but also the most often seen.
::and, about the imperious leader, as i said before, their culture is about to execute plan. the fact that the audience and the colonial leaders haven't met a cylon leader yet doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. by the other hand, i'm not saying that actually does, but i think we shouldn't give information far away from the series information by the last '''aired''' episode.
::EDIT.: oh, i hadn't understood "unity" the right way. well, now i think it's confusing. not beacuse i have confused it, but because the information is one step closer to the speculation instead of actual facts. how do the agents give orders to raiders or explain missions? and when have we seen an agent giving an order to a centurion? all we know is that they execute actions. maybe they do beacuse agents can't. as agents execute missions the centurions can't. imagining is true they have no leader, why have they to have militar levels?
:: as i'm not saying it must be deleted, i think is too close to the line and has to be often revisited. thats why i've asked for you opinion.
::btw, has anybody found a better foral pic? i'm still loking for, but it's not easy! a Cavil one was earlier found! xD
::have a nice day! --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 09:23, 16 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:Cylon Models/Archive 1

2006-03-16T14:02:25Z

Dancing salad:

The Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game

2006-03-07T10:24:28Z

Dancing salad: /* ...Anyone smokes. (literally or figuratively) */

=Take a drink every time...=

== ...someone kills a baby. ==
*Six ([[Mini-Series]])
*Adama ([[Scattered]])
*Dr. Cottle ([[The Captain's Hand]])

== ...Colonel Saul Tigh... ==
*...drinks.
*...resolves to quit drinking.
**''Take two sympathy drinks when, not if, Tigh falls off the wagon.''
*...is drunk on duty.
*...questions Adama's orders.
*...complains about not wanting his own command.
*...berates someone else for a flaw he has too.
*...gives a remarkably stupid order to the crew
*''Take bonus drinks if...''
**...a loss of life is involved ([[Resistance]])
**...a beloved character needlessly suffers for it ([[Resistance]])
**...Lee Adama is involved with the order ([[Fragged]])
**...the Fleet tells him, collectively, to frak off ([[Fragged]])
**...Commander Adama has to repair Tigh's frak-ups
**...Tigh undermines his own reputation as a result ([[Mini-Series]], "[[Fragged]]", "[[Resistance]]")
**...Tigh admits that he's making bad orders (or says he doesn't want to be making the orders, "I don't want a command!", etc.)

== ...Ellen Tigh... ==
*...makes sexual advances on someone other than Col. Tigh.
*...brokers for power.
*...manipulates Col. Tigh.
**''This may lead Col. Tigh to give a remarkably stupid order to the crew, in which case refer to the rules for that occurrence as well.''

== ...Kara Thrace... ==
*...Demonstrates yet another talent.
**Card Shark: "And the girl wins again! Another round?" ([[Water]])
**Sniper: "With all due respect, sir, I am the best shot in or out of the cockpit." ([[Bastille Day]])
**Painter: "You paint these, Kara? / Yeah." ([[Valley of Darkness]])
**Pro-level Pyramid Player: "I was scouted for the pros. Bum knee took me out of contention." ([[Resistance]])
*...Steps out of the box.
**...mates two Vipers nose-to-nose for flight ([[Mini-Series]])
**...jury-rigs an enemy fighter with foreign controls to fly herself home ([[You Can't Go Home Again]])
**...outwits the Cylons in a tactical fighter plan of attack ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
**...kills or maims a Cylon with anything other than a gun ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[The Farm]]")
*...Steps into the bottle. ([[Scar]])
*...Punches anyone.
*...Makes a Cylon kill.
*...Is mistaken for a Cylon and nearly killed because of it ([[You Can't Go Home Again]], [[Resistance]], [[Home, Part I]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
*...Hops into bed on a barely-considered whim.
**Gaius Baltar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])
**Samuel Anders ([[The Farm]])
**Lee Adama ([[Scar]])
*...Starts to unduly fawn over someone mere days after meeting them.
**Samuel Anders ([[Resistance]])
**Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|Part II]])

== ...Six dies. ==
*Nuked. ([[Mini-Series]])
*Shot. ([[33]])
*Impaled. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Extinguished. ([[The Farm]])

== ...Six appears to Baltar at an inopportune moment. ==
*''Take bonus drinks if''
*...Baltar tries to subtly talk to both Six and real people at the same time (e.g. [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]: "I'm not your plaything!")
**...and both Six and the "real" person or people Baltar is talking to respond the same way ("Plaything?")
*...Six tries to engage Baltar in either sex or foreplay
*...Baltar makes awkward attempts at excusing his odd behavior
*...Others comment on Baltar's sanity or lack thereof
*...She's naked
*...She's dressed like Starbuck

== ...Six becomes violent or threatens violence. ==
*Breaks a baby's neck ([[Mini-Series]])
*Screams in Baltar's face ([[Bastille Day]])
*Beats the crap out of Caprica-Boomer
*Chokes Baltar ([[Litmus]])
*"I'll always have your heart…I can rip it out of your chest if I have to." ([[Colonial Day]])
*Smashes Baltar's face into a mirror. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])
*Kicks the shit out of Starbuck. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Tackles Baltar ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]] as Gina)
*Breaks a guard's neck ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] as Gina)
*Shoots Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] as Gina)
*Chokes Baltar with his tie ([[Epiphanies]])
*Shoves Baltar and bites his lip ([[Epiphanies]] as Gina)
*Bashes [[Number Three]]'s head in with a rock ([[Downloaded]] as [[Caprica-Six]])

== ...Anyone smokes. (literally or figuratively) ==
*Gaius Baltar
*Dr. Cottle
*Kara Thrace
*Specialist [[Prosna]]
*Lee Adama

== ...Any male character sticks it in a [[toaster]]. ==
*Helo
*Gaius Baltar
*Galen Tyrol

== ...Helo acts like an idiot. ==
*...fails to notice his robot girlfriend's glowing spine. ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
*...fails to realize his inexplicably nauseous robot girlfriend is pregnant. ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])
*...shoots his pregnant robot girlfriend. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])
*...lets his pregnant robot girlfriend jack Starbuck's spaceship. ([[Scattered]])
*...is surprised that everyone wants to throw his pregnant robot girlfriend out an airlock. ([[Home, Part I]])
*...fails to anticipate territory issues with his pregnant robot girlfriend's copy's former boyfriend. ([[Home, Part II]])

== ...Chief Tyrol acts like a moron. ==
*...makes out with a lieutenant against regulations - who happens to be a sleeper copy of Helo's pregnant robot girlfriend.
*...lies about making out with his robot girlfriend.
*...lies when he says he never loved his robot girlfriend.
*...chews out of his crew who dare to show concern about his feelings about his robot girlfriend - or anything else, for that matter. ([[Mini-Series]], [[Flight of the Phoenix]])
*...glares at or curses Colonel Tigh.
*...goads the Yee-Haw Boys into entering his and Helo's cell and beating him up with soap-in-a-towel.
*...Sleeps in the hanger bay in his undies then beats the crap out of Cally when woken.

''Finish your drink if someone else acknowledges the stupidity of Tyrol''. ("[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]")

==...Bill Adama...==
*...uses his Glare of Death.
**''Bonus drink if Cottle deflects it with his own Scowl of Intense Disapproval.'' ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*...stomps down ''Galactica'''s hallways.
*...waxes philisophically.
*...brings up his [[Joseph Adama|lawyer father]].
*...expresses sympathy for the Cylons.
*...expresses an enthusiastic attitude toward killing Cylons.
*''Take a bonus drink if it is by trying kill a Cylon himself''
**''Finish the drink completely if he tries to kill the same Cylon he expressed sympathy for in a previous episode.''
*...agrees with President Roslin.
*...argues with President Roslin.
*...deposes President Roslin.
*...kisses President Roslin.
*...appears on screen sporting a moustache.
*...does something "captainly", like crushing walnuts in his hand or building a model ship.
*...uses military action to resolve a situation. (See the above section if Adama's decision to use military action is recklessly dumb.)
*...makes a recklessly stupid command decision.
**Counterattacking the Cylons ([[Mini-Series]])
**Wasting half the fleet's fuel looking for Starbuck ([[You Can't Go Home Again]])
**Arresting President Roslin ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
**Sending Marines to rescue Helo and the Chief from the ''Pegasus'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])
**Arranging for the assassination of Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
**''Bonus drinks if a woman tries to reason with Adama.''
:*Roslin tells Adama, "The war is over, we lost", and "We need to start having babies" ([[Mini-Series]])
:*Dualla tells Adama, "It's time to put the fleet back together" ([[Home, Part I]])
:*Roslin tells Adama, "[[Helena Cain|She]] is dangerous, and the only thing that you can do is hit her before she hits you," ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
:*Sharon tells Adama, "You said you never asked yourself why you deserve to survive." ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
::*''Finish your drink completely when, not if, Adama ultimately relents, echoing that woman's words to his officer(s).''

== ...People get away with things — major disciplinary problems are ignored or set aside. ==
*Starbuck gets away with punching Col. Tigh ([[Mini-Series]])
*Tyrol gets away with his hidden affair with Boomer, even when it leads to a security flaw that allows a Cylon suicide bomber to attack the ship ([[Litmus]])
*Starbuck gets away with stealing and ultimately losing ''Galactica'''s captured Cylon raider. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])
*Boomer gets away with trying to kill herself and ends up on a vitally important mission ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Baltar gets away with murdering [[Crashdown]] ([[Fragged]])
*Apollo gets away with pulling a gun on Tigh ([[Scattered]]) and helping Roslin escape ([[Home, Part II]])
*Helo gets away with pulling a gun on Apollo ([[Home, Part I]])
*President Roslin ultimately gets away with subverting the boundary between military and civilian government ([[Home, Part II]]).
*Commander Adama ultimately gets away with subverting the boundary between military and civilian government ([[Litmus]], [[Home, Part II]]).
*Kat gets away with getting high on drugs during flight (reinstated in [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])
*Starbuck gets away with (and gets promoted for) stealing the Blackbird to fly a photo recon mission that her CAG specifically took her off of. ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
*Lee Adama gets away with law enforcement by summary execution ([[Black Market]])
*Lee gets away with making repeated visits to a prositute ([[Black Market]])
*Kat gets away with punching Starbuck in the mouth ([[Scar]])
*Lee gets away with an affair with Dee, a fellow active duty soldier ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*Tryol gets away with beating the crap out of Cally with nothing more than a stern talking to from a [[Brother Cavil|priest]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

==...Zarek makes a gambit for power...==
*...but loses.
**[[Colonial Day]]
**[[Home, Part I]]
**[[Home, Part II]]
*...and succeeds.
**[[Bastille Day]]

==...Lee Adama... ==
*...uses one of his dad's phrases ("Be careful out there", "roll the hard six")
*...completely oversteps his authority and/or commits mutiny
*...acts self-righteous or angsty towards his dad ([[Miniseries]], [[Bastille Day]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
*...has a near-death experience.
**Ejects into space with a leak in his flight suit ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
**Almost killed by gangters. ([[Black Market]])
**Accidentally shot. ([[Sacrifice]])
**Put in command of ''Pegasus''. ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*...angsts over said near-death experiences ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]], [[Black Market]], [[The Captain's Hand]])

==Miscellaneous==
...[[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dee]] stare at each other like two teenagers but never actually do anything.

...Someone gets promoted. This includes Roslin being sworn in as President ([[Miniseries]]), as well as when nuggets like Hot Dog get their wings ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]), someone is elected to the Quorum of Twelve (Zarek or Baltar) or elected Vice President ("[[Colonial Day]]"), or any other regular promotions within the military such as Starbuck in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]".
*Take two drinks if someone is promoted twice in one episode, ie: Major Lee Adama to Commander Lee Adama in [[The Captain's Hand]].

*The Number Six/Cylon leitmotif
*"Bloodshed" (the Adama death theme from [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]) in [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]
*"Prelude to War" in the [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] battle sequence
*The "Destiny/Baltar's Dream" leitmotif

...[[CIC]] bursts into applause. ([[Mini-Series]], [[You Can't Go Home Again]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[The Farm]], [[Home, Part I]]), [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
*Bonus drink if it prefigures an assassination attempt. (Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])

...Six comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Baltar's travails.

...Elosha comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Roslin's travails.

...Roslin comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of the Fleet's travails.

...Leoben comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Starbuck's travails.

...Gaeta says, "Yes, sir." (''On this one, alone, most of us would need a "commercial break"'' after one episode...)

...Apollo's modesty is thwarted by the smallest towel in the fleet.

...Laura Roslin uses her Stare of You-Gotta-Be-Frakking-Kidding-Me.

...A Cylon says "By your command".

...[[Jammer]] says something that hints that he may be a Cylon.

==Production==
*...Michael Rymer's camera makes a full 360° revolution.
**''In this case, everyone in the room must spin around until the scene is over.''
*''Link arms with someone else and take a shot together every time Michael Rymer cross-cuts between two nearly identical scenes.'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
*...the producers re-use stock special effects footage.
**...an establishing shot of the [[Galactica]] from the side, surrounded by the fleet.
**...an establishing shot of the [[Galactica]] from the top.
**...an establishing shot of the [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] from the side.
**...the civilian fleet jump from the [[Mini-Series]].
**...the Viper Launch sequence.
**...''Take another drink of the the stock footage leads to logic gaps.''
*...Bear McCreary re-uses stock musical cues.
*...Bear McCreary finds some excuse to use the Stu Phillips theme from the original series.
*...Bear McCreary throws in some new musical influences out of nowhere.

==...Kara Thrace and Lee Adama...==
*...stare at eachother, strangely for non-work-related reasons.
*...exchange blows
*...kiss

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2006-03-03T10:35:33Z

Dancing salad:

I think we should switch to a pic of Number Three's "new" hairstyle from Downloaded.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:22, 2 March 2006 (CST)
: as on [[:Image:Doral_closeup.jpg|doral pic]]'s comment. --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 04:35, 3 March 2006 (CST)

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2006-03-03T10:35:01Z

Dancing salad:

I think we should switch to a pic of Number Three's "new" hairstyle from Downloaded.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:22, 2 March 2006 (CST)
: as on [[Image:Doral_closeup.jpg]]'s comment. --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 04:35, 3 March 2006 (CST)

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2006-03-03T10:30:26Z

Dancing salad:

This doesn't look like it came from within an episode? Source? I think we should use one from an episode. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:44, 2 March 2006 (CST)
: promo pic. i've been looking for a suitable one on episode but weren't good. as on caprica we're going to see lots of the, feel free to change it when you find a good one. any way, the sci-fi chanel rips are not too god for pics; they are noisy, blured and small. if you have a good source, go on! :D --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 04:30, 3 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:Cylon Models/Archive 1

2006-02-26T20:32:05Z

Dancing salad: /* Image Requests */

Battlestar Wiki:Requested Images

2006-02-26T17:18:44Z

Dancing salad: erasing done stuff.

{{project|Requested Images}}

Before adding an image request here, please peruse the [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images|Island of Misfit Images]] to see if a suitable image already exists and needs a home.

==Article Images==

*[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]]
**The emblem of the Twelve Colonies; the one seen on shoulder patches, flags, and ship emblems. I was surprised when I realized we had individual colony flags, but not THE Colonial Emblem.

*[[Gemenon Liner 1701]]
**The exterior shot of Colonial One and the early members of the Fleet as the captain greets Gemenon Liner 1701 and changes his call sign from Colonial Heavy 798 to Colonial One.

==Character Images==
'''Please refer all character picture requests to the [[Battlestar Wiki:Characters|Characters Project]] so we can keep the list centralized.'''

Battlestar Wiki talk:Requested Images

2006-02-26T17:16:00Z

Dancing salad: Cylon Models and uniform

==Bit of a Restructure?==

I was thinking... Should we move the requested Character images here, rather than over at [[Battlestar Wiki:Character]]? I initially thought not, but I'm second-guessing myself, now. It seems like this is a better place for it. We can cross-link, of course, but I'm beginning to think it should be the opposite of what's now true (which I implemented). Anyway... Thoughts? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==Methods to the Madness==

A [[User talk:Day#VLC Question|couple]] of [[User talk:DrBat#Question for you...|times]] image-capture method discussions have cropped up. I thought this would be a wonderful, centrally located place to bring this up again. I use VLC (Video Lan Client) mostly because it has a built-in screen-cap function that isn't foiled by a DVD's copy-protection or whatever it is that keep the Windows "Print Screen" button from working right (I can explain that better if anyone wants details). However, VLC has the draw-back of having pretty bad timing functions (the minimum skip is, I think, 10 seconds and the pause is a bit delayed, so it's hard to get it to stop right when you want it to). I'd be interested in what other users who post screen shots use.

Additionally, I'd be interested in what media people capture from. However, this might be a stickey topic. Before an episode is available on DVD, the easiest (as far as I know) way to acquire a digital copy of it is via illegal download. If this is something that should ''not'' be discussed on the Wiki (so that there is no way at all to construe the facts as Joe or the Wiki condoning such things), then someone chime in and say so soon, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:As far as digital copies, aren't the episode available for $1.99 from the iEmpire (iTunes)? I've not played with that, so I can't testify about its quality. Also, VLC does have a 3 second skip (the default shortcut is the shift button, with arrow key to indicate forward or backward). There are a few TOS episodes that I've only seen in 3 second intervals as I was hunting screenshots. As for the Windows Print Screen failing... it isn't always sophisticated DRM that's the problem. [http://labnol.blogspot.com/2005/11/capture-still-images-from-windows.html This article] talks about some possible fixes that will allow print screen to work. Basically it has to do with hardware acceleration and where in memory Windows grabs to get screenshots.

:I still haven't found a good alternative to VLC. Those solutions that had frame by frame capability capture to the clipboard, and I much prefer dumping the screenshot to a file like VLC does it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:06, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:While we don't have it written down anywhere, we don't condone unpaid downloading of episodes. (Primarily because it is legally dubious. Technically, you could download an episode from the internet as so long as you already recorded it on VHS, for instance.) Realistically speaking, many fans have gotten episodes via this route, particularly when the series first aired in the U.K. on Sky One.
:Anyway, for screen captures, I used Xine on Linux and DVDCapture on my Powerbook G4. (DVD Capture integrates into the default DVD player, so its only a capture tool and not a combo player w/capture tool.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:00, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:Quick technical note; the Windows print-screen button doesn't work not because of copy-protection, but rather because movie players use a video overlay if your video card supports it. They do this for performance reasons as most video cards support YUV conversation and smooth hardware scaling, making playback less taxing on the CPU. Since the video is being overlaid by the card right before it gets sent to the monitor, it's not in the framebuffer (just a blue or black square) and so that's what the print screen button grabs. If you want to use a different media player and print screen, what may work is going to the properties of your video card and turning the hardware acceleration all the way down. --[[User:Zeratul|Zeratul]] 15:41, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::In Windows, at least (I'm a Mac guy, primarily), you ''can'' use ALT-PrintScreen for screen captures from episodes downloaded from iTunes, since the playback doesn't involve the DVD playback layer (both Mac OS and Windows attempt to prevent you from screencaps in this manner). You have to somehow move the image (stored in the cut-paste clipboard) to an actual image file, but it works (see the new article, [[Stallion]]). I had to paste the copy into Microsoft Word and then save it as a Web page, which created the pictures as JPEGs that I could rename and use here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:56, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::: My Mac was much easier to deal with regarding screen captures. However, the desk it is on sucks to sit at, and The GIMP doesn't run as smoothly on that one, so... There's that. I'd also love to know if someone knows how to get a higher rez grabs from a DVD. THey always end up being, like, 820px wide or something. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:28, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==Six's Spine==
Six's glowey-spine bit from miniseries now uploaded as [[:Image:6spine-ms.jpg|6spine-ms.jpg]].

Do with it what you will

[[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 13:59, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Thrace's Surgical Debut==

Good luck on this one. I of course could be wrong, but from what I can tell, that impression the viewer gets of Starbuck hacking the Raider's brains out is a product of the magic of modern cinematography and editing. The one shot I did find shows nothing but two gloved hands (one holding a blurred blade) hovering above an indistinct pink and red blob.
As far as the tighter headshots of the known Humano-Cylons, I could... well.. if ya want I can take what we've got into Photoshop, do my voodoo, and re-upload. Is that what you really want? --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:Nah, I'll take care of it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:39, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Nympho==
I just uploaded a photo of Hot Dog reading Nympho. It's under Hot_Dog_reading_Nympho.jpg .--Ltcrashdown 23:38, 5 February 2006 (EST)

== Kara vs the raider ==

The pic to the [[Cylon Models]] article, for the cylon spacecraft kara's cutting through is [[:Image:SCinside.jpg|SCinside.jpg]]. I added the thumb to the article, hope you dont mind.
best wishes. dancing_salad 19:41, 21 February 2006 (EST)

:Not at all. Thanks for taking the initiative. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:47, 21 February 2006 (EST)

== Cylon Models and uniform ==

i think are already done. just erased it.--[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 12:16, 26 February 2006 (EST)

Talk:Cylon Models/Archive 1

2006-02-26T17:11:53Z

Dancing salad: checking it.

Dog tags

2006-02-26T16:38:37Z

Dancing salad: picture

Every soldier in the [[Colonial Fleet]] wears hexagonally shaped '''identification tags''' around their neck.

[[Image:Id_wings.jpg|thumb|This is [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]'s Identificatin Tag]]

The two tags presumably contain the rank, name, and serial number of the soldier, as well as their ship or troop assignment.

In the event of the soldier's death, identification tags on the soldier's body aid in identification, particularly if damage to the soldier's body renders the body difficult or impossible to identify. Soldiers retrieve the tags from a body if possible during combat if unable to return with the dead soldier's body, as did Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] for soldiers [[Tarn]] and [[Crashdown]], for return to a superior officer later ([[Fragged]]).

Captain [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] was the somber recipient of nearly 85 identification tags from dead ''[[Galactica]]'' crewmen trapped in the port [[flight pod]] when it was vented to space by order of Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to prevent a catastrophic ship explosion ([[Mini-Series]]).

==Note==
"Identification tags" is a descriptive term (not a [[canon|canonical]] name) created for the Battlestar Galactica Wikipedia. The actual name of the items hasn't been given in an aired episode as of January 5, 2006. It is tempting, but technically incorrect, to use the colloquial American military term of "[[Wikipedia:Dog tag|dog tags]]" to describe these items as the tags are obviously similar in function to those used in the real-world United States military.

[[Category: A to Z]] [[Category: Colonial Military]] [[Category: Terminology]] [[Category: RDM]]

Talk:Number Five/Archive 1

2006-02-26T16:29:56Z

Dancing salad:

Are we sure his name is spelled "Aaron"? I could have sworn I saw "Aron" in the mini-series DVD subtitles.
--[[User:Laven|Laven]] 01:45, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Someone needs to add information about his copies on Caprica in "[[Downloaded]]." I'm not quite sure how I would format it or fit it in to the rest of the article.--[[User:Mojorising1985|Mojorising1985]] 23:38, 24 February 2006 (EST)

I'm curious: when was Doral identified as Five? Was it on [[Downloaded]]? [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 23:39, 24 February 2006 (EST)

Yes, it was indeed. He is Five. Sharon is Eight. D'anna is Three.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 24 February 2006
:how go you know it? are all those numbers on [[downloaded]]? i'm waiting for the english subs to see it, i havent found them yet. --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 11:29, 26 February 2006 (EST)

She walks by a Doral and a Sharon, and says "why, they're some Five's and Eight's" while they're off camera, however she later says that Sharon is Number Eight, therefore, Doral is Number Five. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:40, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Talk:Number Five/Archive 1

2006-02-26T16:29:39Z

Dancing salad: model numbers

Are we sure his name is spelled "Aaron"? I could have sworn I saw "Aron" in the mini-series DVD subtitles.
--[[User:Laven|Laven]] 01:45, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Someone needs to add information about his copies on Caprica in "[[Downloaded]]." I'm not quite sure how I would format it or fit it in to the rest of the article.--[[User:Mojorising1985|Mojorising1985]] 23:38, 24 February 2006 (EST)

I'm curious: when was Doral identified as Five? Was it on [[Downloaded]]? [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 23:39, 24 February 2006 (EST)

Yes, it was indeed. He is Five. Sharon is Eight. D'anna is Three.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 24 February 2006
:how go you know it? are all those numbers on [[downloaded]]? i'm waiting for the english subs to see it, i havent found them yet.

She walks by a Doral and a Sharon, and says "why, they're some Five's and Eight's" while they're off camera, however she later says that Sharon is Number Eight, therefore, Doral is Number Five. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:40, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Talk:Cylon Models/Archive 1

2006-02-26T16:20:39Z

Dancing salad: up closeups.

==Image Requests==
#Number Six's glowing spine from the "Miniseries"
#Valerii's viper optic arm trick from "Flight of the Phoenix"
#Thrace cutting into the downed raider's brain from "You Can't Go Home Again"
#Closer-cropped headshots of each of the six known Cylons --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:17, 30 December 2005 (EST)
::::as you wish ;) --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 11:20, 26 February 2006 (EST)

Cylon Models

2006-02-26T16:19:49Z

Dancing salad: close up pics updated

{{Cylons Series}}
==Centurion Model 0005==
[[Image:Centurion_armor_old.jpg|thumb|Cylon Centurion (Armor) on display. ([[Miniseries]])]]
Model Name: Cylon Centurion
:''Main article: [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]''
The Centurion Model 0005, glimpsed briefly in two scenes of the [[Miniseries]], was apparently the latest Cylon model to have been extensively documented by Colonial authorities after the [[Cylon War]]. It is a primitive model, resembling a short, clumsy humanoid with a single red eye - or as some of the Colonials contemptuously referred to them, "chrome [[toaster]]s". According to [[Saul Tigh]] in a deleted [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/202/deleted1.html scene] from the episode "[[Resistance]]", they had a distinctive "stink" of machine oil.

These models were apparently the instigators of the Cylon Rebellion, or their immediate descendants. They fought in all the major engagements of the Cylon War, including the boardings of ''[[Brenik]]'' and ''[[Galactica]]''. A painting by [[Monclair]] depicts a massive melee between early-model Cylons and joint Aerelon-Caprican ground forces.

They were apparently far from emotionless — in the above-mentioned scene, Tigh recollects their vicious tactics in hand-to-hand combat: "The first one was Duncan Raverty. I found him in the corridor. His guts were strewn around on the floor. Y'know, at first I couldn't figure out why the Cylons would bother doing something like that [...] You had to look into their red eye-slit. They hated us. They hated us so much it wasn't enough just to kill us."

:''This model was included in the miniseries primarily as an homage to the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. Within the context of the Re-imagined Series, the Model 0005 is over 40 years old, and was the last assumed appearance of the Cylons after the war. While remarks by [[Number Six]] in the miniseries state that "those [walking chrome toaster] models are still around. They have their uses," it is most likely that she is referring to the modern Centurions, which seem to have replaced them entirely.''

==Modern Centurion==
[[Image:Cylon Centurion New 002.jpg|thumb|right|The deadly Cylon Centurion, upgraded from its predacessors.]]
:''Main article: [[Cylon Centurion]]''
The current mainstay of Cylon ground forces, the modern Centurion is a taller, swifter and more agile unit than the Model 0005. Its "fingers" serve as edged weapons in close-quarters combat, and can retract to make way for projectile weapons built into its forearms.

There are apparently two armor configurations - the Centurions encountered by Lt. [[Karl Agathon]] on occupied [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] were susceptible to normal small-arms fire, while the boarding party dispatched to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in the episode "[[Valley of Darkness]]" could only be impeded by explosive rounds.

Although the earlier centurion models presumably took a leadership role in their war against the colonials, modern centurions are completely mute and subservient to the human models. According to an interview with Ron Moore, they are not sentient and unlike the Cylon agents, their minds are not transferred to new bodies upon death.

==Cylon Spacecraft==
[[image:SCinside2.jpg|thumb|right|[[Kara Thrace]] is cutting her way through the biomechanical muscles of the [[Cylon Raider]] in order to get in. ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]")]]
:''Main article: [[Cylon Spacecraft]]''
The current model Cylon Raider is an unpiloted, autonomous craft ([[Miniseries]]), apparently capable of operating at fair distance from any command vessel ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]], [[Final Cut]]). Capt. [[Jackson Spencer]], encountering the newer model Cylon Raider for the first time, expresses shock that "nobody's flying these things". Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] later discovers that the Raider she had [[Skirmish over the Red Moon|shot down over the Red Moon]] was, after a fashion, "alive". She removes most of its organic parts before returning with it to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. There, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]], a Cylon sleeper agent, guesses that the Raider is a Cylon in its own right, although "More of an animal, maybe, than the human models... like a pet" ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]).

The current model [[Cylon Basestar]] also makes extensive use of organic parts ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), although it is unclear whether or not is can function autonomously.

:''In both these cases, the distinction between a "Cylon" and their own semi-sentient technology becomes increasingly blurred — interestingly, the same problem that lead to the [[Cylon War]] in the first place.''

== Human Models ==
:''Main article: [[Cylon agent]]''
At some point at least two years prior to the [[miniseries]], Cylon forces in exile on their homeworld were able to perfect the creation of organic models, almost completely indistinguishable from human beings. These were used to quietly and effectively infiltrate the Colonial defense forces, with agents such as [[Number Six#Natasi|Natasi]] gaining access to secret military technology, and sleeper agents such as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] being planted within the [[Colonial Fleet]] itself.

Cylon agents can be programmed to believe they are human, and several have been planted within colonial society with false memories and forged backgrounds. Unplanned discovery of their true nature can be extremely disturbing for these units, and their behavior is not always predictable.

Cylon agents are visually indistinguishable from humans. Only slight chemical differences reveal human from Cylon agent. Humanoid Cylons apparently differ from humans in three principal ways:

===Reproductive Difficulties=== [[Image:Sharonspine.jpg|thumb|right|Sharon Valerii conceives a child with [[Karl Agathon]] ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]).]]
With a single exception, no human-model Cylon has been able to conceive a child ([[The Farm]]). It is impossible for two Cylons to reproduce with each other, and as result the Cylons began cross-breeding experiments with humans (who can reproduce easily), which so far has only resulted in the pregnancy of [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|the Caprica-copy of Sharon Valerii]]. Cylon beliefs attribute this to the apparent inability of Cylons to feel love, which they believe to be a crucial element of the process.

===Bioluminescence===
[[Image:6spine-ms.jpg|thumb|left|[[Number Six]]'s spine glows during intercourse]]On two occasions, the vertebrae of human-model Cylons have been seen to emit a red glow visible through the skin during sexual intercourse ([[Miniseries]], "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"). Their bodies' ability to emit or respond to light appears linked to their ability to interface with computer systems via fiber-optic connections ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Silica Pathways===
Cylon brains are imbued with a vague technology called [[Silica Pathways|silica pathways]]. This legacy technology existed in the original Centurion Model 0005, but some of this technology remains in the human models, although the technology appears to have been integrated at the molecular level since the brains of Cylon agents and humans are visually identical. Silica pathways are possibly key in the maintenance or transfer of thoughts, memories and consciousness of a Cylon to be downloaded and transferred into a new body when the agent dies. Silica pathways in Cylon agents, as in Centurions, remain susceptible to certain forms of radiation, as found in the upper atmosphere of the planet [[Ragnar]] and the [[Wikipedia:Plutonium|Plutonium]] used as the active element of Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]'s [[Cylon Detector]]. It normally takes several hours of prolonged exposure for this radiation to have a visible effect ([[Miniseries]], "[[Bastille Day]]").

===Known Models===

In the miniseries, somewhat ambiguous comments by [[Number Six]] and a note left for [[William Adama]] (presumably by [[Gaius Baltar]]) indicated that there were only twelve humanoid models at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. These were clarified by [[Ronald D. Moore]] in an [http://www.thefandom.com/Article50.phtml interview] on "The Chase Show", hosted on the SF webcast news site [http://www.thefandom.com/TheFandom.com]. Of the twelve human models, six have been revealed as of the episode "[[Final Cut]]". Per the episode "[[Downloaded]]" it has been revealed that Sharon is a "Number 8", Aaron Doral is a "Number 5", and that D'anna Biers is a "Number 3".

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|-
| align="center" | [[Number Six]] || align="center" | [[Sharon Valerii]] || align="center" | [[Aaron Doral]] || align="center" | [[Leoben Conoy]] || align="center" | [[Simon]] || align="center" | [[D'anna Biers]]
|}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:RDM]]

File talk:Xena.jpg

2006-02-26T13:48:00Z

Dancing salad:

why is this file called xena.jpg? --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 08:48, 26 February 2006 (EST)
: I believe it's a mini-joke on the part of the uploader. We can reupload the file with a new name, should people agree to it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 08:38, 26 February 2006 (EST)
::no prob, actually. leave it :) --[[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing salad]] 08:48, 26 February 2006 (EST)

File talk:Xena.jpg

2006-02-26T12:41:05Z

Dancing salad:

why is this file called xena.jpg?

Talk:Uniforms (RDM)/Archive2

2006-02-24T00:01:27Z

Dancing salad: /* Viper Pilot's Wings */

== Battle Dress Uniform ==

There seem to be two collar variations of the BDU's in Home pt. II, the normal collar like in any dress shirt worn by Apollo, and the Mandarin collar uniform worn by Adama. The Mandarin is the stand up collar that in the new generation uniforms is for comfort under body armor. You can see the difference in the screenshots for home on the reference link in the main article. The big two pics are the one of Apollo with the shouldered rifle and any of the Adama pics were he has the pepperbox aimed at Boomer's head.

:I agree. I'll make the change. Also, I may have been wrong about the flight suits. They could be plastic or vinyl instead of leather, opinions? Use this image as a reference. http://galactica.emedian.net/episode/1.06/imagepages/image2.html

I don't know, it looks like leather. I'll brainstorm on this. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

:The sleeves look like Vinyl. The vest looks like an unpolished leather. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:15, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

:: To me, the suit bit (sleeve, pegs, under-vest, etc.) looks like some kind of ''rubber'' material to me. I've thought this for a while now. I imagine that it's some kind of Space-Age Technology that is super-insulative and air-tight that would help in the case of cabin depressurization while in a Viper. This is, after all, the flight suit. I agree that the vest thingie looks leather. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:34, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

:::I agree with Day in that the flighsuit is probably a futuristic Space-Age material. I wonder what the actual costumes are made of (besides the vest, it is most likely unpolished leather). --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

If you are talking about the "Digital Urban Cammo" "BDU', which is actually known as a MARPAT...its not a collar variation, its the same collar. it can be worn like a madarin collar, or open like a standard butterfly collar.
My Question about the BDU's is what is the designation for the Khaki/Tan variant of the BDU's seen in the MiniSeries and the 1st Season?-- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]
:There is no Urban MARPAT, only the Forrest and Desert versions since the Urban was never accepted. The BDUs they wear in Home look to be a commercial digital pattern based off the MARPAT like the ones you can get at UsCav. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:04, 7 February 2006 (EST)
::Yep. While MARPAT has become slang for digital camo, technically only the U.S. Marines can use [[Wikipedia:MARPAT|MARPAT]]. The Army countered with the [[Wikipedia:Army Combat Uniform|ACU]], which lacks the color black. The wikipedia ACU article talks about the whole "Mandarin" up/down style (like Strato said). Does anybody have captures of the older (1st season) camo pattern that Strato is talking about? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:31, 7 February 2006 (EST)
:
::I wasn't refering to a Camo Pattern when I refrenced the Khaki/Tan...but a BDU uniform that is of the same construction as the Olive Drab ones...only Khaki/Tan.
This is seen in the background a few times in the Mini-Series (once on a Deck Hand working at a bench in the hanger deck) but can be seen most clearly in the Episode "Litmus" on Sgt. Hadrian ( http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hadrian). Just curious if thats supposed to be a Marine BDU variant, or what it is. In the Miniseries the Marines wore OD plus an armband that simply stated "Security"...so I really don't know what the color difference is supposed to mean.( in my last post above I was refering to Digital Cammo as "MARPAT" in the same way we refer to Tissue Paper as "Kleenex" regardless of the brand...sorry if that was confusing)-- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]

:::Um, as I have already said in the main article, "Marine NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers) wear a khaki uniform"-->That's a Marine Non-Com uniform. Normal Marines don't wear it.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:32, 7 February 2006 (EST)
::::It is just a khaki variant of the green service uniform that both the Non-coms and Officers wear. It may be missing the suede shoulders though, I need to go check out Litmus. Isn't it ironic that todays quote is from Litmus? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:20, 7 February 2006 (EST)

== Pictures ==

This article (as noted on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]] page) is gonna need a lot of pictures. Do you guys think that we should create a 3- or 4-equals heading for each kind of uniform to better align tha pictures with the accompanying text? This would also help in finding the specific type of uniform a reader is loking for if they were looking for that, rather than just looking for all/any uniform information. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:48, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

== Viper Pilot's Wings ==

What is the insignia that Colonial Officers wear on their uniform on the left side of their chest. It's diamond shaped, and some have sort of wings on the top, and some on the bottom. I have wondered what each signifies, or whether they are Viper Pilot's Wings, which I thought Kara mentioned in "You Can Never Go Home"(not sure of the name) [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 21:12, October 17, 2005 (EDT)
:Apollo takes his off and pins it on Hotdog in "You Can Go Home Again." Just from the dialogue in that scene, I'd say they Wings. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:50, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
::See, that's what I'd say too, but I think Gaeta and others have the same insignia...it doesn't seem to me that it should be so common.

Adama, Tigh, Fisk, and Cain have the "wings-on-top" insignia, possibly designating a command role. Gaeta's counterpart aboard Pegasus also wears the wings. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:23, 23 January 2006 (EST)

On the Wings issue, I would suggest that Lee's are Standard Viper Aiviator Wings(VAW? could we get away with that?), and William and Sauls Pilot wings are Senior Viper Aviator Wings(SVAW)--[[user:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]] 21 Febuary 2006.

I took some pretty pics for this: [[Image:Senior_wings.jpg|150px]][[Image:Wings.jpg|150px]] --dancing_salad 19:01, 23 February 2006 (EST)

==Jacket==
I removed the line "[[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s flight suit identifies that he is actually qualified to pilot both." A jacket, in military aviation, is a dossier that contains all the pilots qualifications, commendations, etc. Stinger was not referring to Apollo's flight suit but his record, which he would have recieved when Apollo was transferred under his command. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:51, 22 January 2006 (EST)

: Ahhh. Ha-ha! That makes much sense, then. I guess I can take off "scrutinize Lee's uniform for mention of a Raptor" of my list of things to do. Interesting. --[[User:Day|Day]] 08:43, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Dress Uniform RDM ==

I know this has not been discussed much, but as far as I can see, Military Dress falls into these topics

A) Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned.

B) Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training.

C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown.

D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat.

E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? --[[User:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

: Here is what I can add

: A) These are known as Dress Greys and fullfill the same role as the Full Dress Blues in the USN. 

: B) These are Blue with a different cut than the Greys. Except for Hoshi, all "Junior Officers" (Major and Below) wear the Diamond with the downturned wings and Colonel and up wear the larger spread wings. These are like the USN Service Dress Blue in that they can be worn on watch and are still formal enough for some ceremonies (like in Pegasus). 

: C) Mainly seen on Marines and a few random bridge and hallway extras. The OD uniform seems to be the standard uniform for the fleet and is like the Working Khaki in the USN. These can be worn be officers and non-coms alike and seem to be the most formal uniform available for the non-coms. For the officers, it's like an undress uniform. 

: D) There are also yellow uniforms of this type. Jammer wears one. 

: E) When have we seen DCUs?, all there have been is Black BDUs and Urban MARPAT copies. 
: --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:50, 21 February 2006 (EST)

: I'm inclined to be in Talos's camp, especially on item E. Why are you creating an issue out of a non-issue? Even mentioning it is pure speculation, fabrication, and over-think at this point. If TPTB depict a desert scene, and roll out a new uniform for it, then you've/we've got our topic to pursue and document. If they ''never'' do a desert scene, then that's their perrogative. Either way, any pursuit of this topic (item E) is a complete waste of time at this juncture.

: We also have to keep in mind... this is a ship/fleet with limited resources, under durress, and a fractured sense of protocol and structure. Yes, they (the military) will try their utmost to keep to standards, but as even Admiral Adama concedes... he's not one for demanding protocol at all times. They (the crew) might have limited caches of uniforms, of pins, of medals, of patches, and are ''making do with what they have on hand'' (which isn't much, considering one ship (''Galactica'') was destined to be interred as a museum piece, and the other (''Pegasus'') was in the midst of a refit). Certain crewers (Hoshi, for example) ''might'' have different pins because they are from different previous postings, now pressed into service at that post because of need, and there's no point in such a petty detail of changing a pin. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)

I forgot about Jammer, thanks for that input, Talos, well brought up. Would this mean he'd have a different role on the hanger deck (Orange = Maintenance, Yellow =?) from Cally.
As for the desert Combat Dress(DCU), I may have got my wires crossed, but I can remember the security chief wearing a similar style in "Litmus". But you may very well be right on topic E).
Hmm, food for thought, but interesting non the less..-- [[user:Jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:Hadrian was wearing the khaki version of item C in both [[Act of Contrition]] and [[Litmus]]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:54, 21 February 2006 (EST)
::Also, on the same subject as Hawke, didn't Roslin have Adama's Admiral insignia made by a jeweler? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)
But on that note, did Admiral Adama give his son Lee his old Commander Pips?--[[jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:I like to imagine so, although it was probably for reasons of sentimental value instead of necessity--they had insignia for Fisk and Garner by some unknown means. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:16, 22 February 2006 (EST)
But why promote Lee? There are other Senior oficers that could do the job. Why the favoritism? Puzzling.......
But I wouldn't give the job to Saul Tigh, otherwise we'd be renaming the pegasus the "JIM BEAM" (HA HA!)--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:Please read Questions and Analysis on "[[The Captain's Hand]]" where this question was already asked, and possible answers given; my best-fit theory is that like on ''Star Trek'' and in the real US Navy, anyone who commands a ship is called "captain" even if they have a rank lower than "captain", right? Perhaps this is a continuation of this Navy terminology; Apollo is made "Commander" (their Captain equivalent) of Pegasus, therefore he is given the rank of "Commander"; why put him in charge at all? Well, Tigh never wanted his own command, and below that, there aren't many other high-ranking officers left.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:27, 22 February 2006 (EST)

True, but Kara Thrace is another possible "Candidate". A natural tactitian(like myself), and brilliant leader. A little rough around the edges, maybe more responsibility thrown upon her may mellow her.

:A) Kara is not the best of commanders, B) They've only got so many officers, and they need a Galactica-CAG, C) Apollo outranks her. 2 months ago she was a Lieutenant. Apollo is at least 3rd or 4th ranking on Galactica.

::What about "KAT"? as C.A.G?, It then frees up Kara to move up the command chain.

Question: Have the colonials setup a training camp to repalce losses?--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:.....The episode "[[Act of Contrition]]", the episode "[[Scar]]"....Jetstorm316, I mean this out of genuine confusion: how much of the New Series of Battlstar Galactica have you seen so far?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

But thats for PILOTS. What about officer training facilities, boot camps for marines, ect? Recruiting instead of enslaving is a must considering current fleet status. They did so in TOS, replacing officers is also crucial or the command structure will crumble from the ground up.

:And to answer your above question: (ahem)ALL OF IT TO PRESENT DATE, ALL ON VCD, DOWNLOADED BY MYSELF, TO WATCH AT MY OWN LEASURE! I can't spend all day analising every episode, I have othe responsibilities to tend to, like a paying job.

I Can't wait until Saturday when I get the latest episode "Download", just to annoy my partner.--[[user Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

:: "[[Epiphanies]]", [[Asha Janik]]; using some civilians to do grunt work in understaffed areas like assembling the ammunition they got in boxes from Ragnar.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:52, 22 February 2006 (EST)

But have they recruited to re-enforce their dwindiling Military? Asha is still civilian aswell as Peter Liard, a civilian deck chief on Pegasus, even though he was pressganged. "Pegasus" can only do so much.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:I have to go check out my DVDs but it looked like Laird had CPO pins on his uniform. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:13, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:: which were most probably given as a field promotion, due to his technical expertise in aeronautics--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:::What I figured happened was that Cain needed a deck chief so she assigned him to that job since he was an aeronautical engineer and gave him a rank commensurate with his position. As Cain would say, "I m a flag officer in detached service during a time of war. Regulations give me broad authority in these matters." --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:29, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::::Possible, due to the fact she lost 700 men, maybe her original deck chief was one of those casualties, hence Liards field promotion.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:::::Exactly my point. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:41, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Back to the original discussion, Point C), if you look at Talos's images Khaki OD dress, this is taken form the pilot episode as Tigh walks away from the CIC. To help everyone out a little, this is time index 8 mins 2 seconds. If you look at the right arm of the non-com, you will see a black armband, with 2 letters in yellow. If I can get a better/clearer shot of this, I would wager the armband reads "MP". Now tell me I don't know my millitary structures! Could anyone please help varify this (Pictorial)fact?
--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:The only problem is that's not khaki, thats OD. Khaki (color) is what Hadrian wears. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:19, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::It looks like any confusion is caused by me comparing the OD uniform to the Navy Service Khakis, an undress, working suitable uniform. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:22, 22 February 2006 (EST)
Talos, do you concure that the OD dress with armbard, has lettering?.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:It looks like the lettering on the OD armband says "SECURITY" or "SEC". It's clearer in the DVD and I'll see if I can get a clearer pic. That was just a picture of oppourtunity while I was looking for Blue duty pictures. There aren't that many of the OD with armband walking around, compared to ODs without like Dualla. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:08, 22 February 2006 (EST)

==Counterpoints==

Okay....I do not want this to get "ugly", however there are a *LOT* of problems with Jetstorm316's recent posting here in Talk; For starters, at first glance it doesn't look like he even bothered to read the write up '''already in the article''', but instead posted up his own observations. I'm not trying to insult, cast blame, whatever. I wash my hands of this. But I need to make the following counterpoints:

"A) ''Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned. ''"

:No. As you can see in the write up I did weeks ago for "Uniform" on the front page, a dress uniform is not "a bridge uniform" with some alterations: It is gray, lacks a pocket or shoulder patches, as well as the sash. Senior officers' uniforms also feature a dark gray bar around the neck, and epaulettes. No, it is not called "Parade Dress" (well, with capitals like an official name like that), they call them "Dress Grays", i.e. dress uniform. A point I forgot to make was that the Dress Uniform is actuall an overcoat of sorts; the Duty Uniform (below) just tucks into the belt.

"B)'' Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training. ''"

:A key point you didn't notice is that this is not a "Bridge Officer" uniform; it is a uniform for all Colonial Fleet officers: Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer have been seen wearing them, as noted in that list there which denotes the differences in this uniform for different ranks. LSO Kelly also wears one. And as said above, it's really not like the dress uniform. As for the differences in those little Wing badges they have, I would greatly appreciate if someone could find the little differences between them; however it is definately not "pending Viper Pilot Training", as I do believe that even Raptor pilots or Gaeta have them.

"''C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown. ''"

:No, this is also blatantly wrong. This is not a uniform for "Colonial Non-Coms". Chief Tyrol is the highest-ranking Colonial Fleet Non-Com on the ship, yet as you can see clearly in this Galacticastation pic: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap028.htm he does not wear a khaki uniform. He wears the green duty uniform, which other Colonial Fleet personel, such as Cally: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap014.htm who is an enlisted crewman, also wears. So you see, '''this is not a "universal standard, mainly non-com uniform"'''. No, a black armband is not worn by just "the military police"; all people wearing this that we have seen had the black armband. Either way, we've pretty much confirmed that it is the Colonial Marine Corps Non-Com uniform, but is not used by the Colonial Fleet. (Still, we have not seen it featured much, and the black armband stuff needs more research/attention in future episodes.

"''D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat. ''"

:Correct; this is in the article, yeah no problem there; there are actually orange and yellow ones (notably Jammer), as has been stated above; on real world ships, color denotes task, but as I stated in the article, "orange" isn't a color used by the US Navy's color-coding system.

"''E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? ''"
:....did you just count the Khaki uniform twice in your list? No, we have never seen a "desert combat" uniform in any episode.

I am sorry, and I have tried to keep this as close to the facts as possible, however this really needed correction. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:51, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:Well, we do agree on something after all, Point D).

As I have stated on Point E), I conceeded it wasn't "Desert" combats, but "Urban" style. Talos quite rightly pointed that mistake out, and I have made sufficiant note of this fact, to correct at a later date in my own files. Once again, point conceeded, no problems here.

Point C) is a tricky one, but I have not seen an episode other than "Litmus"where it was used. Yes, I AGREE more research is needed on this point, maybe pool resourses to define is proper use (I'm offering an "Olive Branch" here, not many get handed out from me), but once again, no problems.

A and B are too close together to seperate, but both uniforms do have similarities with each other.

I must admit, you do have some good points, but some do need redefining.--[[user:jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

I uploaded some pics as examples.

A)[[Image:Greys Mini.JPG|thumb|A) Dress Greys ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
B and D) [[Image:Bluesjumpsuit Mini.JPG|thumb|B and D)Blue duty uniform and jumpsuit ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
C) There are some people wearing the khaki without the armband and I'll get a better pic of both the OD and khaki when I get home from classes in about 4 hours. Here's a bad pic of the OD one with a security armband.
[[Image:ODarmband Mini.JPG|thumb|C) OD Uniform with security armband ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
E) [[Image:Urban FotP.JPG|thumb|E) Urban camoflage uniform ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])]]
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:01, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Good examples, Talos. Well deserving of recognition. Why Don't you add them into the document as additional
supplement.--[[user:Jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:I was planning too. I just wanted to show them here first. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

== New Uniform Pics ==
Sweet. Thanks, Talos! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:43, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:My pleasure. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:55, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:: i've been cutting off the concrete suits. maybe they can be introduced to the article that way:
:::*Commander - red line on outer edge, gold line on inner edge - [[:Image:Commander_uni.jpg|Example]]
::here are the pics: [[Image:Colonel_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:Admiral_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:JuniorOff_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:Commander_uni.jpg|70px]]

:::well, i think nobody cares. If someone does, just recover. --dancing_salad 18:54, 23 February 2006 (EST)

Talk:Uniforms (RDM)/Archive2

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Dancing salad: /* New Uniform Pics */

== Battle Dress Uniform ==

There seem to be two collar variations of the BDU's in Home pt. II, the normal collar like in any dress shirt worn by Apollo, and the Mandarin collar uniform worn by Adama. The Mandarin is the stand up collar that in the new generation uniforms is for comfort under body armor. You can see the difference in the screenshots for home on the reference link in the main article. The big two pics are the one of Apollo with the shouldered rifle and any of the Adama pics were he has the pepperbox aimed at Boomer's head.

:I agree. I'll make the change. Also, I may have been wrong about the flight suits. They could be plastic or vinyl instead of leather, opinions? Use this image as a reference. http://galactica.emedian.net/episode/1.06/imagepages/image2.html

I don't know, it looks like leather. I'll brainstorm on this. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

:The sleeves look like Vinyl. The vest looks like an unpolished leather. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:15, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

:: To me, the suit bit (sleeve, pegs, under-vest, etc.) looks like some kind of ''rubber'' material to me. I've thought this for a while now. I imagine that it's some kind of Space-Age Technology that is super-insulative and air-tight that would help in the case of cabin depressurization while in a Viper. This is, after all, the flight suit. I agree that the vest thingie looks leather. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:34, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

:::I agree with Day in that the flighsuit is probably a futuristic Space-Age material. I wonder what the actual costumes are made of (besides the vest, it is most likely unpolished leather). --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

If you are talking about the "Digital Urban Cammo" "BDU', which is actually known as a MARPAT...its not a collar variation, its the same collar. it can be worn like a madarin collar, or open like a standard butterfly collar.
My Question about the BDU's is what is the designation for the Khaki/Tan variant of the BDU's seen in the MiniSeries and the 1st Season?-- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]
:There is no Urban MARPAT, only the Forrest and Desert versions since the Urban was never accepted. The BDUs they wear in Home look to be a commercial digital pattern based off the MARPAT like the ones you can get at UsCav. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:04, 7 February 2006 (EST)
::Yep. While MARPAT has become slang for digital camo, technically only the U.S. Marines can use [[Wikipedia:MARPAT|MARPAT]]. The Army countered with the [[Wikipedia:Army Combat Uniform|ACU]], which lacks the color black. The wikipedia ACU article talks about the whole "Mandarin" up/down style (like Strato said). Does anybody have captures of the older (1st season) camo pattern that Strato is talking about? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:31, 7 February 2006 (EST)
:
::I wasn't refering to a Camo Pattern when I refrenced the Khaki/Tan...but a BDU uniform that is of the same construction as the Olive Drab ones...only Khaki/Tan.
This is seen in the background a few times in the Mini-Series (once on a Deck Hand working at a bench in the hanger deck) but can be seen most clearly in the Episode "Litmus" on Sgt. Hadrian ( http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hadrian). Just curious if thats supposed to be a Marine BDU variant, or what it is. In the Miniseries the Marines wore OD plus an armband that simply stated "Security"...so I really don't know what the color difference is supposed to mean.( in my last post above I was refering to Digital Cammo as "MARPAT" in the same way we refer to Tissue Paper as "Kleenex" regardless of the brand...sorry if that was confusing)-- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]

:::Um, as I have already said in the main article, "Marine NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers) wear a khaki uniform"-->That's a Marine Non-Com uniform. Normal Marines don't wear it.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:32, 7 February 2006 (EST)
::::It is just a khaki variant of the green service uniform that both the Non-coms and Officers wear. It may be missing the suede shoulders though, I need to go check out Litmus. Isn't it ironic that todays quote is from Litmus? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:20, 7 February 2006 (EST)

== Pictures ==

This article (as noted on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]] page) is gonna need a lot of pictures. Do you guys think that we should create a 3- or 4-equals heading for each kind of uniform to better align tha pictures with the accompanying text? This would also help in finding the specific type of uniform a reader is loking for if they were looking for that, rather than just looking for all/any uniform information. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:48, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

== Viper Pilot's Wings ==

What is the insignia that Colonial Officers wear on their uniform on the left side of their chest. It's diamond shaped, and some have sort of wings on the top, and some on the bottom. I have wondered what each signifies, or whether they are Viper Pilot's Wings, which I thought Kara mentioned in "You Can Never Go Home"(not sure of the name) [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 21:12, October 17, 2005 (EDT)
:Apollo takes his off and pins it on Hotdog in "You Can Go Home Again." Just from the dialogue in that scene, I'd say they Wings. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:50, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
::See, that's what I'd say too, but I think Gaeta and others have the same insignia...it doesn't seem to me that it should be so common.

Adama, Tigh, Fisk, and Cain have the "wings-on-top" insignia, possibly designating a command role. Gaeta's counterpart aboard Pegasus also wears the wings. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:23, 23 January 2006 (EST)

On the Wings issue, I would suggest that Lee's are Standard Viper Aiviator Wings(VAW? could we get away with that?), and William and Sauls Pilot wings are Senior Viper Aviator Wings(SVAW)--[[user:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]] 21 Febuary 2006.

==Jacket==
I removed the line "[[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s flight suit identifies that he is actually qualified to pilot both." A jacket, in military aviation, is a dossier that contains all the pilots qualifications, commendations, etc. Stinger was not referring to Apollo's flight suit but his record, which he would have recieved when Apollo was transferred under his command. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:51, 22 January 2006 (EST)

: Ahhh. Ha-ha! That makes much sense, then. I guess I can take off "scrutinize Lee's uniform for mention of a Raptor" of my list of things to do. Interesting. --[[User:Day|Day]] 08:43, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Dress Uniform RDM ==

I know this has not been discussed much, but as far as I can see, Military Dress falls into these topics

A) Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned.

B) Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training.

C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown.

D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat.

E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? --[[User:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

: Here is what I can add

: A) These are known as Dress Greys and fullfill the same role as the Full Dress Blues in the USN. 

: B) These are Blue with a different cut than the Greys. Except for Hoshi, all "Junior Officers" (Major and Below) wear the Diamond with the downturned wings and Colonel and up wear the larger spread wings. These are like the USN Service Dress Blue in that they can be worn on watch and are still formal enough for some ceremonies (like in Pegasus). 

: C) Mainly seen on Marines and a few random bridge and hallway extras. The OD uniform seems to be the standard uniform for the fleet and is like the Working Khaki in the USN. These can be worn be officers and non-coms alike and seem to be the most formal uniform available for the non-coms. For the officers, it's like an undress uniform. 

: D) There are also yellow uniforms of this type. Jammer wears one. 

: E) When have we seen DCUs?, all there have been is Black BDUs and Urban MARPAT copies. 
: --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:50, 21 February 2006 (EST)

: I'm inclined to be in Talos's camp, especially on item E. Why are you creating an issue out of a non-issue? Even mentioning it is pure speculation, fabrication, and over-think at this point. If TPTB depict a desert scene, and roll out a new uniform for it, then you've/we've got our topic to pursue and document. If they ''never'' do a desert scene, then that's their perrogative. Either way, any pursuit of this topic (item E) is a complete waste of time at this juncture.

: We also have to keep in mind... this is a ship/fleet with limited resources, under durress, and a fractured sense of protocol and structure. Yes, they (the military) will try their utmost to keep to standards, but as even Admiral Adama concedes... he's not one for demanding protocol at all times. They (the crew) might have limited caches of uniforms, of pins, of medals, of patches, and are ''making do with what they have on hand'' (which isn't much, considering one ship (''Galactica'') was destined to be interred as a museum piece, and the other (''Pegasus'') was in the midst of a refit). Certain crewers (Hoshi, for example) ''might'' have different pins because they are from different previous postings, now pressed into service at that post because of need, and there's no point in such a petty detail of changing a pin. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)

I forgot about Jammer, thanks for that input, Talos, well brought up. Would this mean he'd have a different role on the hanger deck (Orange = Maintenance, Yellow =?) from Cally.
As for the desert Combat Dress(DCU), I may have got my wires crossed, but I can remember the security chief wearing a similar style in "Litmus". But you may very well be right on topic E).
Hmm, food for thought, but interesting non the less..-- [[user:Jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:Hadrian was wearing the khaki version of item C in both [[Act of Contrition]] and [[Litmus]]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:54, 21 February 2006 (EST)
::Also, on the same subject as Hawke, didn't Roslin have Adama's Admiral insignia made by a jeweler? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)
But on that note, did Admiral Adama give his son Lee his old Commander Pips?--[[jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:I like to imagine so, although it was probably for reasons of sentimental value instead of necessity--they had insignia for Fisk and Garner by some unknown means. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:16, 22 February 2006 (EST)
But why promote Lee? There are other Senior oficers that could do the job. Why the favoritism? Puzzling.......
But I wouldn't give the job to Saul Tigh, otherwise we'd be renaming the pegasus the "JIM BEAM" (HA HA!)--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:Please read Questions and Analysis on "[[The Captain's Hand]]" where this question was already asked, and possible answers given; my best-fit theory is that like on ''Star Trek'' and in the real US Navy, anyone who commands a ship is called "captain" even if they have a rank lower than "captain", right? Perhaps this is a continuation of this Navy terminology; Apollo is made "Commander" (their Captain equivalent) of Pegasus, therefore he is given the rank of "Commander"; why put him in charge at all? Well, Tigh never wanted his own command, and below that, there aren't many other high-ranking officers left.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:27, 22 February 2006 (EST)

True, but Kara Thrace is another possible "Candidate". A natural tactitian(like myself), and brilliant leader. A little rough around the edges, maybe more responsibility thrown upon her may mellow her.

:A) Kara is not the best of commanders, B) They've only got so many officers, and they need a Galactica-CAG, C) Apollo outranks her. 2 months ago she was a Lieutenant. Apollo is at least 3rd or 4th ranking on Galactica.

::What about "KAT"? as C.A.G?, It then frees up Kara to move up the command chain.

Question: Have the colonials setup a training camp to repalce losses?--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:.....The episode "[[Act of Contrition]]", the episode "[[Scar]]"....Jetstorm316, I mean this out of genuine confusion: how much of the New Series of Battlstar Galactica have you seen so far?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

But thats for PILOTS. What about officer training facilities, boot camps for marines, ect? Recruiting instead of enslaving is a must considering current fleet status. They did so in TOS, replacing officers is also crucial or the command structure will crumble from the ground up.

:And to answer your above question: (ahem)ALL OF IT TO PRESENT DATE, ALL ON VCD, DOWNLOADED BY MYSELF, TO WATCH AT MY OWN LEASURE! I can't spend all day analising every episode, I have othe responsibilities to tend to, like a paying job.

I Can't wait until Saturday when I get the latest episode "Download", just to annoy my partner.--[[user Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

:: "[[Epiphanies]]", [[Asha Janik]]; using some civilians to do grunt work in understaffed areas like assembling the ammunition they got in boxes from Ragnar.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:52, 22 February 2006 (EST)

But have they recruited to re-enforce their dwindiling Military? Asha is still civilian aswell as Peter Liard, a civilian deck chief on Pegasus, even though he was pressganged. "Pegasus" can only do so much.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:I have to go check out my DVDs but it looked like Laird had CPO pins on his uniform. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:13, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:: which were most probably given as a field promotion, due to his technical expertise in aeronautics--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:::What I figured happened was that Cain needed a deck chief so she assigned him to that job since he was an aeronautical engineer and gave him a rank commensurate with his position. As Cain would say, "I m a flag officer in detached service during a time of war. Regulations give me broad authority in these matters." --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:29, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::::Possible, due to the fact she lost 700 men, maybe her original deck chief was one of those casualties, hence Liards field promotion.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:::::Exactly my point. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:41, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Back to the original discussion, Point C), if you look at Talos's images Khaki OD dress, this is taken form the pilot episode as Tigh walks away from the CIC. To help everyone out a little, this is time index 8 mins 2 seconds. If you look at the right arm of the non-com, you will see a black armband, with 2 letters in yellow. If I can get a better/clearer shot of this, I would wager the armband reads "MP". Now tell me I don't know my millitary structures! Could anyone please help varify this (Pictorial)fact?
--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:The only problem is that's not khaki, thats OD. Khaki (color) is what Hadrian wears. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:19, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::It looks like any confusion is caused by me comparing the OD uniform to the Navy Service Khakis, an undress, working suitable uniform. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:22, 22 February 2006 (EST)
Talos, do you concure that the OD dress with armbard, has lettering?.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:It looks like the lettering on the OD armband says "SECURITY" or "SEC". It's clearer in the DVD and I'll see if I can get a clearer pic. That was just a picture of oppourtunity while I was looking for Blue duty pictures. There aren't that many of the OD with armband walking around, compared to ODs without like Dualla. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:08, 22 February 2006 (EST)

==Counterpoints==

Okay....I do not want this to get "ugly", however there are a *LOT* of problems with Jetstorm316's recent posting here in Talk; For starters, at first glance it doesn't look like he even bothered to read the write up '''already in the article''', but instead posted up his own observations. I'm not trying to insult, cast blame, whatever. I wash my hands of this. But I need to make the following counterpoints:

"A) ''Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned. ''"

:No. As you can see in the write up I did weeks ago for "Uniform" on the front page, a dress uniform is not "a bridge uniform" with some alterations: It is gray, lacks a pocket or shoulder patches, as well as the sash. Senior officers' uniforms also feature a dark gray bar around the neck, and epaulettes. No, it is not called "Parade Dress" (well, with capitals like an official name like that), they call them "Dress Grays", i.e. dress uniform. A point I forgot to make was that the Dress Uniform is actuall an overcoat of sorts; the Duty Uniform (below) just tucks into the belt.

"B)'' Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training. ''"

:A key point you didn't notice is that this is not a "Bridge Officer" uniform; it is a uniform for all Colonial Fleet officers: Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer have been seen wearing them, as noted in that list there which denotes the differences in this uniform for different ranks. LSO Kelly also wears one. And as said above, it's really not like the dress uniform. As for the differences in those little Wing badges they have, I would greatly appreciate if someone could find the little differences between them; however it is definately not "pending Viper Pilot Training", as I do believe that even Raptor pilots or Gaeta have them.

"''C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown. ''"

:No, this is also blatantly wrong. This is not a uniform for "Colonial Non-Coms". Chief Tyrol is the highest-ranking Colonial Fleet Non-Com on the ship, yet as you can see clearly in this Galacticastation pic: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap028.htm he does not wear a khaki uniform. He wears the green duty uniform, which other Colonial Fleet personel, such as Cally: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap014.htm who is an enlisted crewman, also wears. So you see, '''this is not a "universal standard, mainly non-com uniform"'''. No, a black armband is not worn by just "the military police"; all people wearing this that we have seen had the black armband. Either way, we've pretty much confirmed that it is the Colonial Marine Corps Non-Com uniform, but is not used by the Colonial Fleet. (Still, we have not seen it featured much, and the black armband stuff needs more research/attention in future episodes.

"''D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat. ''"

:Correct; this is in the article, yeah no problem there; there are actually orange and yellow ones (notably Jammer), as has been stated above; on real world ships, color denotes task, but as I stated in the article, "orange" isn't a color used by the US Navy's color-coding system.

"''E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? ''"
:....did you just count the Khaki uniform twice in your list? No, we have never seen a "desert combat" uniform in any episode.

I am sorry, and I have tried to keep this as close to the facts as possible, however this really needed correction. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:51, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:Well, we do agree on something after all, Point D).

As I have stated on Point E), I conceeded it wasn't "Desert" combats, but "Urban" style. Talos quite rightly pointed that mistake out, and I have made sufficiant note of this fact, to correct at a later date in my own files. Once again, point conceeded, no problems here.

Point C) is a tricky one, but I have not seen an episode other than "Litmus"where it was used. Yes, I AGREE more research is needed on this point, maybe pool resourses to define is proper use (I'm offering an "Olive Branch" here, not many get handed out from me), but once again, no problems.

A and B are too close together to seperate, but both uniforms do have similarities with each other.

I must admit, you do have some good points, but some do need redefining.--[[user:jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

I uploaded some pics as examples.

A)[[Image:Greys Mini.JPG|thumb|A) Dress Greys ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
B and D) [[Image:Bluesjumpsuit Mini.JPG|thumb|B and D)Blue duty uniform and jumpsuit ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
C) There are some people wearing the khaki without the armband and I'll get a better pic of both the OD and khaki when I get home from classes in about 4 hours. Here's a bad pic of the OD one with a security armband.
[[Image:ODarmband Mini.JPG|thumb|C) OD Uniform with security armband ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
E) [[Image:Urban FotP.JPG|thumb|E) Urban camoflage uniform ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])]]
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:01, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Good examples, Talos. Well deserving of recognition. Why Don't you add them into the document as additional
supplement.--[[user:Jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:I was planning too. I just wanted to show them here first. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

== New Uniform Pics ==
Sweet. Thanks, Talos! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:43, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:My pleasure. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:55, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:: i've been cutting off the concrete suits. maybe they can be introduced to the article that way:
:::*Commander - red line on outer edge, gold line on inner edge - [[:Image:Commander_uni.jpg|Example]]
::here are the pics: [[Image:Colonel_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:Admiral_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:JuniorOff_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:Commander_uni.jpg|70px]]

:::well, i think nobody cares. If someone does, just recover. --dancing_salad 18:54, 23 February 2006 (EST)

Uniforms (RDM)

2006-02-23T23:57:51Z

Dancing salad: /* Fleet Officers */

Several types of '''uniforms''' are used within the [[Colonial Fleet]] and [[Colonial Marine Corps]].

==Colonial Fleet==

===Fleet Officers===
[[Image:Blue mini.JPG|thumb|left|Blue duty uniform ([[Mini-Series]]).]]
A single-breasted dark blue duty uniform is used by officers (dark lighting sometimes makes them appear almost black, but they have been referred to as "blues" in dialog, seen in better lighting, etc). The left side of the uniform jacket folds over the right and is secured by column of buttons. Military occupation specialty badges are affixed over the pocket. Thus far, we have seen two distinct MOS badges for officers: fleet officers wear a badge shaped like a diamond flanked by a pair of outstretched wings (probably roughly analogous to the US Navy's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Warfare_Badge surface warfare badge], while flight officers wear a similar diamond flanked by stubbier, wing-like wedges near its lower point (analogous to a fighter pilot's wings). Rank insignia are worn on the jacket collar. The pant legs feature bell bottoms, and it has a rolled-up collar. It has patches on the shoulders which are a darker shade of blue than the rest of the uniform, as well as a single pocket over the left breast of the user's uniform.

Fleet officer uniforms have a colored trim around the edges, which denote the rank of the wearer:

Junior Officers:

*Ensign - a single white line - [[:Image:JuniorOff_uni.jpg|Example]]
*Lieutenant (Junior Grade) - a single white line
*Lieutenant - a single white line
*Captain - a single white line

Command Officers:

*Major - unknown (no majors have ever been shown in uniform). [[Lee Adama]] was briefly promoted to the rank of Major during "[[The Captain's Hand]]", and his uniform still had a single white line trim. However, when his father William Adama was promoted to Admiral, he retained his Commander's uniform (without alteration, except for new rank insignia pins), possibly because supplies are low and it is difficult to make new uniforms/alter his old one, or because he is known to not enjoy pomp, or both. Perhaps, like his father, Apollo ''should'' have changed his uniform to a differently-styled Major's uniform, but did not.
*Colonel - red line on outer edge, white line on inner edge - [[:Image:Colonel_uni.jpg|Example]]
*Commander - red line on outer edge, gold line on inner edge - [[:Image:Commander_uni.jpg|Example]]
*Admiral - gold line on outer edge, white line on inner edge - [[:Image:Admiral_uni.jpg|Example]]

The officers' dress uniform, known as Dress Greys, is modeled after the duty uniform, except for a few key differences. It is gray, lacks a pocket or shoulder patches, features a sash to which MOS pins and other medals are affixed, and is secured by a single clasp rather than a column of buttons. Epaulettes are worn at the left shoulder. Senior officers' uniforms also feature a dark gray bar around the neck. While the duty uniform is a tunic that tucks in at the belt, the dress uniform is actually an overcoat which extends below the hips and features an external belt made of the same material as the sash.

[[Image:Greys Mini.JPG|thumb|Dress Grey uniforms ([[Mini-Series]]).]]

Officers can also use the green fatigue uniform for non-formal occasions.

===Fleet Pilot Flight Suits===

[[Flight suit]]s with left sleeve pockets are used by flight-qualified crew (pilots, [[ECO]]s and the like). The flight suit is a life-support garment and can sustain the life of the pilot in hostile enviroments up to and including total vacuum and freezing temperature. Flight suits also have a metal collar that is attached to maintain an airtight seal between the flight suit and a helmet. Often, when not on a mission pilots wear the suit with the top half rolled down and hanging at their waist, revealing the t-shirt and tanktop they wear underneath. It also has been used to make an air-tight seal in a vessel by filling in a hole in the hull ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"). Pilots and [[ECO|ECOs]] where several patches on their flight suits: A patch designating the ship they are assigned to, on the right a patch for what craft they operate, usually a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] or a [[Raptor]], and a squadron patch, worn on the left breast under the outer layer of the suit. Additionally, the flightsuit has a chronometer mounted in a cuff.

===Fleet Enlisted Crewmen===
[[Image:Jumpsuit mini.JPG|thumb|left|Orange utility jumpsuit ([[Mini-Series]]).]]
Enlisted personnel use a double-breasted green uniform, except on the flight deck where uniforms color-coded according to military occupation specialty are used, as on real-life aircraft carriers (only orange and yellow deck crew overalls have been observed so far).

==Colonial Marine Corps==
[[Image:Khaki litmus.JPG|thumb|Khaki fatigue uniform and black battle dress uniforms ([[Litmus]]).]]
The uniforms used by the Colonial [[Marines]] are based on the BDU (see below), only in solid black rather than the digital pattern. Load-bearing vests, helmets, communications gear, knee and elbow pads, gloves and goggles are standard.

Marine NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers) wear a khaki uniform with a simple row of buttons down the middle, and a downturned collar (on which rank insignia are worn). It has two pockets on the front, one over each breast of the uniform, which are secured by clasps. Like the Fleet officer uniform, it has differently collared patches on the shoulders, but on this they are gray shoulder patches on a khaki uniform.

Also, on the upper right arm a black armband is worn with the word "Security" printed in black letters on a small square of white. Sgt. [[Hadrian]] wears one of these uniforms, and during many episodes extras walking in the backround in hallways are seen wearing the Marine non-com uniform.

Apparently, there are no surviving Marine ''command'' officers left aboard ''Galactica'' (and presumably ''Pegasus''), as the only officer seen so far has been [[Terry_Burrell|Lieutenant Terry Burrell]] ([[Sacrifice]]). Unfortuneately, he was in plainclothes, so any further uniform details are lacking.

==Additional notes==

Both the officer and enlisted duty uniforms feature large patches on their left shoulders, which display the emblem of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol, and denote what vessel they are serving on. ''Galactica's'' crew patch is colored gold, with "Battlestar Galactica [[BSG 75]]" written around the seal. ''Pegasus' '' crew patch is colored white, with "Battlestar Pegasus [[BSG 62]]" written around the seal. For both officers and enlisted crew, rank insignia is affixed to both sides of the collar.

The battle dress utility uniform is an urban digital camouflage pattern of various shades of dark and light grays. It features angled breast and shoulder pockets and lacks abdominal pockets, and the buttons are covered, much like real-life United State Marine Corps MARPAT uniforms. The elbows of the battle dress utility feature large patches. The boots are typically not bloused, with the pant legs left hanging over the boots. The uniform features a mandarin collar which can be worn up for comfort in body armor or in a down position for appearance in other situations.

[[Image:Urban FotP.JPG|thumb|left|Urban battle dress utility uniform ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).]]

Black leather boots and hexagonal [[Identification Tags|identification tags]] are used with all uniforms. All uniforms except for Colonial and Marine BDUs feature left-shoulder patches indicating their assigned Battlestar Group.

A gray sleeveless tee shirt covered by a brown tank top is worn beneath all unifroms, including at least the flight suit, the duty uniforms, BDUs, the deck crew work uniforms, and Dr. Cottle's coat ([[Mini-Series]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[You Can't Go Home Again]] deleted scene).

[[Image:Tee mini.JPG|thumb|Tee shirt and tank top worn with green fatigue pants ([[Mini-Series]])]]

According to an interview with regular series costume designer Glenne Campbell {{ref|magazine1}}, "The uniforms are made out of a very specific material, and we own all of that material that there is in existence -- they're not making this stuff anymore". Thus, for BSG fans that want to make their own costumes, it appears that it is technically impossible to make a complete recreation of the military uniforms on the series. As there are only a limited number of uniforms in existance, when someone gets shot the production team usually tries to have it shot in such a way that the costume is undamaged, i.e. when Cally shoots Boomer, there's actually a patch of cloth over the uniform that has the blood-packs underneath, which is painted to blend in with the rest of the uniform.

==References==
[http://galactica.emedian.net/index.html Dark-thoughts.net featuring numerous high-resolution pictures from the series]

#{{note|magazine1}} "Costume Drama." Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine. Oct./Nov. 2005: 64.

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Talk:Uniforms (RDM)/Archive2

2006-02-23T23:54:33Z

Dancing salad: /* New Uniform Pics */

== Battle Dress Uniform ==

There seem to be two collar variations of the BDU's in Home pt. II, the normal collar like in any dress shirt worn by Apollo, and the Mandarin collar uniform worn by Adama. The Mandarin is the stand up collar that in the new generation uniforms is for comfort under body armor. You can see the difference in the screenshots for home on the reference link in the main article. The big two pics are the one of Apollo with the shouldered rifle and any of the Adama pics were he has the pepperbox aimed at Boomer's head.

:I agree. I'll make the change. Also, I may have been wrong about the flight suits. They could be plastic or vinyl instead of leather, opinions? Use this image as a reference. http://galactica.emedian.net/episode/1.06/imagepages/image2.html

I don't know, it looks like leather. I'll brainstorm on this. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

:The sleeves look like Vinyl. The vest looks like an unpolished leather. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:15, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

:: To me, the suit bit (sleeve, pegs, under-vest, etc.) looks like some kind of ''rubber'' material to me. I've thought this for a while now. I imagine that it's some kind of Space-Age Technology that is super-insulative and air-tight that would help in the case of cabin depressurization while in a Viper. This is, after all, the flight suit. I agree that the vest thingie looks leather. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:34, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

:::I agree with Day in that the flighsuit is probably a futuristic Space-Age material. I wonder what the actual costumes are made of (besides the vest, it is most likely unpolished leather). --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

If you are talking about the "Digital Urban Cammo" "BDU', which is actually known as a MARPAT...its not a collar variation, its the same collar. it can be worn like a madarin collar, or open like a standard butterfly collar.
My Question about the BDU's is what is the designation for the Khaki/Tan variant of the BDU's seen in the MiniSeries and the 1st Season?-- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]
:There is no Urban MARPAT, only the Forrest and Desert versions since the Urban was never accepted. The BDUs they wear in Home look to be a commercial digital pattern based off the MARPAT like the ones you can get at UsCav. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:04, 7 February 2006 (EST)
::Yep. While MARPAT has become slang for digital camo, technically only the U.S. Marines can use [[Wikipedia:MARPAT|MARPAT]]. The Army countered with the [[Wikipedia:Army Combat Uniform|ACU]], which lacks the color black. The wikipedia ACU article talks about the whole "Mandarin" up/down style (like Strato said). Does anybody have captures of the older (1st season) camo pattern that Strato is talking about? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:31, 7 February 2006 (EST)
:
::I wasn't refering to a Camo Pattern when I refrenced the Khaki/Tan...but a BDU uniform that is of the same construction as the Olive Drab ones...only Khaki/Tan.
This is seen in the background a few times in the Mini-Series (once on a Deck Hand working at a bench in the hanger deck) but can be seen most clearly in the Episode "Litmus" on Sgt. Hadrian ( http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hadrian). Just curious if thats supposed to be a Marine BDU variant, or what it is. In the Miniseries the Marines wore OD plus an armband that simply stated "Security"...so I really don't know what the color difference is supposed to mean.( in my last post above I was refering to Digital Cammo as "MARPAT" in the same way we refer to Tissue Paper as "Kleenex" regardless of the brand...sorry if that was confusing)-- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]

:::Um, as I have already said in the main article, "Marine NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers) wear a khaki uniform"-->That's a Marine Non-Com uniform. Normal Marines don't wear it.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:32, 7 February 2006 (EST)
::::It is just a khaki variant of the green service uniform that both the Non-coms and Officers wear. It may be missing the suede shoulders though, I need to go check out Litmus. Isn't it ironic that todays quote is from Litmus? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:20, 7 February 2006 (EST)

== Pictures ==

This article (as noted on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]] page) is gonna need a lot of pictures. Do you guys think that we should create a 3- or 4-equals heading for each kind of uniform to better align tha pictures with the accompanying text? This would also help in finding the specific type of uniform a reader is loking for if they were looking for that, rather than just looking for all/any uniform information. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:48, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

== Viper Pilot's Wings ==

What is the insignia that Colonial Officers wear on their uniform on the left side of their chest. It's diamond shaped, and some have sort of wings on the top, and some on the bottom. I have wondered what each signifies, or whether they are Viper Pilot's Wings, which I thought Kara mentioned in "You Can Never Go Home"(not sure of the name) [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 21:12, October 17, 2005 (EDT)
:Apollo takes his off and pins it on Hotdog in "You Can Go Home Again." Just from the dialogue in that scene, I'd say they Wings. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:50, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
::See, that's what I'd say too, but I think Gaeta and others have the same insignia...it doesn't seem to me that it should be so common.

Adama, Tigh, Fisk, and Cain have the "wings-on-top" insignia, possibly designating a command role. Gaeta's counterpart aboard Pegasus also wears the wings. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:23, 23 January 2006 (EST)

On the Wings issue, I would suggest that Lee's are Standard Viper Aiviator Wings(VAW? could we get away with that?), and William and Sauls Pilot wings are Senior Viper Aviator Wings(SVAW)--[[user:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]] 21 Febuary 2006.

==Jacket==
I removed the line "[[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s flight suit identifies that he is actually qualified to pilot both." A jacket, in military aviation, is a dossier that contains all the pilots qualifications, commendations, etc. Stinger was not referring to Apollo's flight suit but his record, which he would have recieved when Apollo was transferred under his command. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:51, 22 January 2006 (EST)

: Ahhh. Ha-ha! That makes much sense, then. I guess I can take off "scrutinize Lee's uniform for mention of a Raptor" of my list of things to do. Interesting. --[[User:Day|Day]] 08:43, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Dress Uniform RDM ==

I know this has not been discussed much, but as far as I can see, Military Dress falls into these topics

A) Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned.

B) Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training.

C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown.

D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat.

E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? --[[User:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

: Here is what I can add

: A) These are known as Dress Greys and fullfill the same role as the Full Dress Blues in the USN. 

: B) These are Blue with a different cut than the Greys. Except for Hoshi, all "Junior Officers" (Major and Below) wear the Diamond with the downturned wings and Colonel and up wear the larger spread wings. These are like the USN Service Dress Blue in that they can be worn on watch and are still formal enough for some ceremonies (like in Pegasus). 

: C) Mainly seen on Marines and a few random bridge and hallway extras. The OD uniform seems to be the standard uniform for the fleet and is like the Working Khaki in the USN. These can be worn be officers and non-coms alike and seem to be the most formal uniform available for the non-coms. For the officers, it's like an undress uniform. 

: D) There are also yellow uniforms of this type. Jammer wears one. 

: E) When have we seen DCUs?, all there have been is Black BDUs and Urban MARPAT copies. 
: --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:50, 21 February 2006 (EST)

: I'm inclined to be in Talos's camp, especially on item E. Why are you creating an issue out of a non-issue? Even mentioning it is pure speculation, fabrication, and over-think at this point. If TPTB depict a desert scene, and roll out a new uniform for it, then you've/we've got our topic to pursue and document. If they ''never'' do a desert scene, then that's their perrogative. Either way, any pursuit of this topic (item E) is a complete waste of time at this juncture.

: We also have to keep in mind... this is a ship/fleet with limited resources, under durress, and a fractured sense of protocol and structure. Yes, they (the military) will try their utmost to keep to standards, but as even Admiral Adama concedes... he's not one for demanding protocol at all times. They (the crew) might have limited caches of uniforms, of pins, of medals, of patches, and are ''making do with what they have on hand'' (which isn't much, considering one ship (''Galactica'') was destined to be interred as a museum piece, and the other (''Pegasus'') was in the midst of a refit). Certain crewers (Hoshi, for example) ''might'' have different pins because they are from different previous postings, now pressed into service at that post because of need, and there's no point in such a petty detail of changing a pin. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)

I forgot about Jammer, thanks for that input, Talos, well brought up. Would this mean he'd have a different role on the hanger deck (Orange = Maintenance, Yellow =?) from Cally.
As for the desert Combat Dress(DCU), I may have got my wires crossed, but I can remember the security chief wearing a similar style in "Litmus". But you may very well be right on topic E).
Hmm, food for thought, but interesting non the less..-- [[user:Jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:Hadrian was wearing the khaki version of item C in both [[Act of Contrition]] and [[Litmus]]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:54, 21 February 2006 (EST)
::Also, on the same subject as Hawke, didn't Roslin have Adama's Admiral insignia made by a jeweler? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)
But on that note, did Admiral Adama give his son Lee his old Commander Pips?--[[jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:I like to imagine so, although it was probably for reasons of sentimental value instead of necessity--they had insignia for Fisk and Garner by some unknown means. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:16, 22 February 2006 (EST)
But why promote Lee? There are other Senior oficers that could do the job. Why the favoritism? Puzzling.......
But I wouldn't give the job to Saul Tigh, otherwise we'd be renaming the pegasus the "JIM BEAM" (HA HA!)--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:Please read Questions and Analysis on "[[The Captain's Hand]]" where this question was already asked, and possible answers given; my best-fit theory is that like on ''Star Trek'' and in the real US Navy, anyone who commands a ship is called "captain" even if they have a rank lower than "captain", right? Perhaps this is a continuation of this Navy terminology; Apollo is made "Commander" (their Captain equivalent) of Pegasus, therefore he is given the rank of "Commander"; why put him in charge at all? Well, Tigh never wanted his own command, and below that, there aren't many other high-ranking officers left.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:27, 22 February 2006 (EST)

True, but Kara Thrace is another possible "Candidate". A natural tactitian(like myself), and brilliant leader. A little rough around the edges, maybe more responsibility thrown upon her may mellow her.

:A) Kara is not the best of commanders, B) They've only got so many officers, and they need a Galactica-CAG, C) Apollo outranks her. 2 months ago she was a Lieutenant. Apollo is at least 3rd or 4th ranking on Galactica.

::What about "KAT"? as C.A.G?, It then frees up Kara to move up the command chain.

Question: Have the colonials setup a training camp to repalce losses?--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:.....The episode "[[Act of Contrition]]", the episode "[[Scar]]"....Jetstorm316, I mean this out of genuine confusion: how much of the New Series of Battlstar Galactica have you seen so far?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

But thats for PILOTS. What about officer training facilities, boot camps for marines, ect? Recruiting instead of enslaving is a must considering current fleet status. They did so in TOS, replacing officers is also crucial or the command structure will crumble from the ground up.

:And to answer your above question: (ahem)ALL OF IT TO PRESENT DATE, ALL ON VCD, DOWNLOADED BY MYSELF, TO WATCH AT MY OWN LEASURE! I can't spend all day analising every episode, I have othe responsibilities to tend to, like a paying job.

I Can't wait until Saturday when I get the latest episode "Download", just to annoy my partner.--[[user Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

:: "[[Epiphanies]]", [[Asha Janik]]; using some civilians to do grunt work in understaffed areas like assembling the ammunition they got in boxes from Ragnar.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:52, 22 February 2006 (EST)

But have they recruited to re-enforce their dwindiling Military? Asha is still civilian aswell as Peter Liard, a civilian deck chief on Pegasus, even though he was pressganged. "Pegasus" can only do so much.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:I have to go check out my DVDs but it looked like Laird had CPO pins on his uniform. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:13, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:: which were most probably given as a field promotion, due to his technical expertise in aeronautics--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:::What I figured happened was that Cain needed a deck chief so she assigned him to that job since he was an aeronautical engineer and gave him a rank commensurate with his position. As Cain would say, "I m a flag officer in detached service during a time of war. Regulations give me broad authority in these matters." --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:29, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::::Possible, due to the fact she lost 700 men, maybe her original deck chief was one of those casualties, hence Liards field promotion.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:::::Exactly my point. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:41, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Back to the original discussion, Point C), if you look at Talos's images Khaki OD dress, this is taken form the pilot episode as Tigh walks away from the CIC. To help everyone out a little, this is time index 8 mins 2 seconds. If you look at the right arm of the non-com, you will see a black armband, with 2 letters in yellow. If I can get a better/clearer shot of this, I would wager the armband reads "MP". Now tell me I don't know my millitary structures! Could anyone please help varify this (Pictorial)fact?
--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:The only problem is that's not khaki, thats OD. Khaki (color) is what Hadrian wears. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:19, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::It looks like any confusion is caused by me comparing the OD uniform to the Navy Service Khakis, an undress, working suitable uniform. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:22, 22 February 2006 (EST)
Talos, do you concure that the OD dress with armbard, has lettering?.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:It looks like the lettering on the OD armband says "SECURITY" or "SEC". It's clearer in the DVD and I'll see if I can get a clearer pic. That was just a picture of oppourtunity while I was looking for Blue duty pictures. There aren't that many of the OD with armband walking around, compared to ODs without like Dualla. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:08, 22 February 2006 (EST)

==Counterpoints==

Okay....I do not want this to get "ugly", however there are a *LOT* of problems with Jetstorm316's recent posting here in Talk; For starters, at first glance it doesn't look like he even bothered to read the write up '''already in the article''', but instead posted up his own observations. I'm not trying to insult, cast blame, whatever. I wash my hands of this. But I need to make the following counterpoints:

"A) ''Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned. ''"

:No. As you can see in the write up I did weeks ago for "Uniform" on the front page, a dress uniform is not "a bridge uniform" with some alterations: It is gray, lacks a pocket or shoulder patches, as well as the sash. Senior officers' uniforms also feature a dark gray bar around the neck, and epaulettes. No, it is not called "Parade Dress" (well, with capitals like an official name like that), they call them "Dress Grays", i.e. dress uniform. A point I forgot to make was that the Dress Uniform is actuall an overcoat of sorts; the Duty Uniform (below) just tucks into the belt.

"B)'' Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training. ''"

:A key point you didn't notice is that this is not a "Bridge Officer" uniform; it is a uniform for all Colonial Fleet officers: Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer have been seen wearing them, as noted in that list there which denotes the differences in this uniform for different ranks. LSO Kelly also wears one. And as said above, it's really not like the dress uniform. As for the differences in those little Wing badges they have, I would greatly appreciate if someone could find the little differences between them; however it is definately not "pending Viper Pilot Training", as I do believe that even Raptor pilots or Gaeta have them.

"''C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown. ''"

:No, this is also blatantly wrong. This is not a uniform for "Colonial Non-Coms". Chief Tyrol is the highest-ranking Colonial Fleet Non-Com on the ship, yet as you can see clearly in this Galacticastation pic: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap028.htm he does not wear a khaki uniform. He wears the green duty uniform, which other Colonial Fleet personel, such as Cally: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap014.htm who is an enlisted crewman, also wears. So you see, '''this is not a "universal standard, mainly non-com uniform"'''. No, a black armband is not worn by just "the military police"; all people wearing this that we have seen had the black armband. Either way, we've pretty much confirmed that it is the Colonial Marine Corps Non-Com uniform, but is not used by the Colonial Fleet. (Still, we have not seen it featured much, and the black armband stuff needs more research/attention in future episodes.

"''D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat. ''"

:Correct; this is in the article, yeah no problem there; there are actually orange and yellow ones (notably Jammer), as has been stated above; on real world ships, color denotes task, but as I stated in the article, "orange" isn't a color used by the US Navy's color-coding system.

"''E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? ''"
:....did you just count the Khaki uniform twice in your list? No, we have never seen a "desert combat" uniform in any episode.

I am sorry, and I have tried to keep this as close to the facts as possible, however this really needed correction. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:51, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:Well, we do agree on something after all, Point D).

As I have stated on Point E), I conceeded it wasn't "Desert" combats, but "Urban" style. Talos quite rightly pointed that mistake out, and I have made sufficiant note of this fact, to correct at a later date in my own files. Once again, point conceeded, no problems here.

Point C) is a tricky one, but I have not seen an episode other than "Litmus"where it was used. Yes, I AGREE more research is needed on this point, maybe pool resourses to define is proper use (I'm offering an "Olive Branch" here, not many get handed out from me), but once again, no problems.

A and B are too close together to seperate, but both uniforms do have similarities with each other.

I must admit, you do have some good points, but some do need redefining.--[[user:jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

I uploaded some pics as examples.

A)[[Image:Greys Mini.JPG|thumb|A) Dress Greys ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
B and D) [[Image:Bluesjumpsuit Mini.JPG|thumb|B and D)Blue duty uniform and jumpsuit ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
C) There are some people wearing the khaki without the armband and I'll get a better pic of both the OD and khaki when I get home from classes in about 4 hours. Here's a bad pic of the OD one with a security armband.
[[Image:ODarmband Mini.JPG|thumb|C) OD Uniform with security armband ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
E) [[Image:Urban FotP.JPG|thumb|E) Urban camoflage uniform ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])]]
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:01, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Good examples, Talos. Well deserving of recognition. Why Don't you add them into the document as additional
supplement.--[[user:Jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:I was planning too. I just wanted to show them here first. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

== New Uniform Pics ==
Sweet. Thanks, Talos! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:43, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:My pleasure. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:55, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:: i've been cutting off the concrete suits. maybe they can be introduced to the article that way:
:::*Commander - red line on outer edge, gold line on inner edge - [[:Image:Commander_uni.jpg|Example]]
::here are the pics: [[Image:Colonel_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:Admiral_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:JuniorOff_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:Commander_uni.jpg|70px]]

::This ones are for the wings: [[Image:Senior_wings.jpg|150px]][[Image:Wings.jpg|150px]] --dancing_salad 21:34, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:::well, i think nobody cares. If someone does, just recover. --dancing_salad 18:54, 23 February 2006 (EST)

Battlestar Wiki:Translation Project

2006-02-23T23:27:04Z

Dancing salad: /* Spanish */

{{project|Translation Project}}

This project deals with converting articles from the '''Battlestar Wiki''' into other languages.

== Overview ==

Presently, all of the content on this wiki is in [[Wikipedia:English language|english]] -- American english, to be specific. We have people who view this Wiki from other countries, as far away as Europe. And likely further.

Therefore, this is a formal effort to recruit mutli-lingual contributors and organize these contributors to translate our documents in other languages.

== How to Begin ==

Since we don't (yet) have a setup similar to Wikipedia (where Wikipedia has individal German, Italian, and Spanish editions of Wikipedia), here is how translated articles can be added.

To begin, create a subpage of the article you wish to translate. For instance, let's say you were going to tackle the article on [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] and translate it into Spanish. Here's how you would begin:

* In the search box, type in:
*: The Fleet/es:La Flota
* Press "Go". Select "create this article" option.
* Begin translating the article. Once done, list the article on this page under Articles Translated.

Once there are a growing number of articles, Joe will then set up an invidiual BSG Wiki for that language. (i.e. de.battlestarwiki.org for German BSG Wiki, et al.).

== Contributors ==

Contributors to this project may be added here. Please include the languages you would be interested in translating our documents to, as well as your level of expertise in said language.

=== Brazillian Portuguese ===

* [[User:naio21|Ivan]] 00:57, 12 February 2006 (GMT -3h) - Brazilian Portuguese, native language
* [[User:Infestans|Infestans]] 18:43, 19 February 2006 (GMT -3h) - Brazilian Portuguese, native language

=== French ===

* [[User:Karoshi|Karoshi]] 11:22, 2 February 2006 (EST) - French, it's my native language.

=== German ===

* [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 02:57, 04 February 2006 (CET) - German, native German
* [[User:$traight-$hoota|$traight-$hoota]] – native German

=== Japanese ===

* [[User:Zarek Rocks|Zarek Rocks]] 21:23, 2 February 2006 (EST) Two years of Japanese, but a little rusty. I do have people that could help me edit for grammar though so I'm onboard for that.

=== Spanish ===

* [[User:Major Payne|Major Payne]] 23:42, 03 February 2006 (GMT -3h) - Spanish, native language
* [[User:Lindem Herz|Lindem Herz]] 10:08, 06 February 2006 (GMT -5h) - Spanish, native language
* [[User:Prometheus|Prometheus]] 2:16, 13 February 2006 (EST) - Spanish, native language
* [[User:Kestrel|Kestrel]] 13:16, 16 February 2006 (GMT -3h) - Spanish, native language
* [[User:Dancing_salad|Dancing Salad]] 00:24, 24 February 2006 (GMT +1) - Spanish, native language

=== Swedish ===

* [[User:turboemmis|turboemmis]] 17:48, 11 February 2006 (CET) - Swedish, native language
* [[User:mrpeachum|MrPeachum]] 19:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT -8h, PST) - Swedish, native language

=== More than one non-American English language ===

* [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:57, 27 January 2006 (EST) - Spanish, 4 years of Spanish and a year of Latin (a long time ago)
* [[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:46, 31 January 2006 (EST) -German, 3 years of German plus mother is a German major and a BSG fan. Can also help a little with Russian, and others.
* [[User:Leoben_Conoy|Leoben_Conoy]] 20:49 02 February 2006 (TST) - Spanish, 7 years plus foreign exchange to South America (Fluent, but a bit rusty); 2 years of Japanese (some conversational ability, minimal writing/reading ability)

=== Technical personel ===

: ''People who really don't translate anything, but will help in behind-the-scenes technical tasks. Or people who promote the effort. Things like that.''

* [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 13 February 2006 (EST) -- will set up new wikis as the number of documents translated increases and other BTS tasks (the Wizard of Oz, as it were)

== Articles Needing Translation ==

Obviously our eventual goal is to have just about everything translated. Rather than listing every page here, this can be used to request critical pages for translators to focus on.

*[[Battlestar Wiki:Spoiler Policy]] - All languages, but particularly German (to go with the spoiler templates below), and French.
*[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions]] - All languages (to give new contributors a common reference to work from).

== Language Specific Spoiler Checkpoints ==
''Feel free to adjust the title of this section.'' 
This section is intended to be a handy place to keep track of how far the series has progressed in the particular languages, in order to avoid translating spoiler content over from the English side.
* German
**[[Water]] - Airs 15 February, 2006.
* French
**[[Flight of the Phoenix]] ''(Le Vol du Phoenix)'' - 19 February, 2006.

== Articles in Progress ==

Articles that have begun the translation process. They could use more content translated or another eye to look at it (or both).

*[[:Category:Babelfish]] - This is an experiment to expand some of the foreign language content.

*French
** [[Armistice Station/fr:Station d'armistice]]

*German
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/de:Battlestar Wiki:Standards und Konventionen]]
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Spoiler Policy/de:Spoiler Richtlinien]]
**[[Template:Episode List (de)]]
**[[Basestar (TOS)/de:Basisstern (TOS)]] - I cleaned up, linked, categorized, moved to correct name (I think). Somebody needs to double check my linking (since I don't speak German), and possibly add the disambig line at the top pointing to the (RDM) basestars (since we're focusing on the RDM content initially).
**[[Miniseries/de:Miniserie]]
**[[Water/de:Wassermangel]]
**[[Bastille Day/de: Meuterei auf der Astral Queen]]
**[[Act of Contrition/de:Zeichen der Reue]]
**[[You Can't Go Home Again/de:Kein Weg zurück]]
**[[Litmus/de:Das Tribunal]]
**[[Six Degrees of Separation/de:Unter Verdacht]]
**[[Flesh and Bone/de:Fleisch und Blut]]
**[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down/de:Ellen]]
**[[The Hand of God/de:Die Hand Gottes]]
**[[Colonial Day/de:Der Zwölferrat]]
**[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I/de:Kobol, Teil I]]
**[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II/de:Kobol, Teil II]]
**[[Scattered/de:Die verlorene Flotte]]
**[[Valley of Darkness/de:Im Tal der Finsternis]]
**[[Fragged/de:Die Gesetze des Krieges]]
**[[Resistance/de:Leben und Sterben]]
**[[The Farm/de:Die Farm]]
**[[Home, Part I/de:Heimat, Teil I]]
**[[Home, Part II/de:Heimat, Teil II]]

*Spanish
**[[Miniseries/es:Miniserie]] - (overview, backplot, questions, noteworthy dialogue and cast translated)
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/es:Battlestar Wiki:Estándares y Convenios]]
**[[Template:Characters (es)]] - almost complete but for the Characters link. Will go around it once that other page is translated. Will probably translate the page title too then.

*日本語 (Japanese)
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/jp:バツスタ-ヰキ:標準及び大会]] - Just started and my translation is a bit rough but I think it will be ok for just beginning. I should be able to refine it a little more later. Leobon I can use any help you can give me, thanks.
***I have noticed that I can translate a lot of these articles into Japanese. I have the vocabulary, what I don't know I can look up, but my grammar isn't there. Is this a project that I should be pursuing if my grammar isn't 100%? I feel like even if I wasn't on completely, I could still save whoever comes (maybe no one) after me. If I had the articles mostly translated they'll have to fix parts of an article rather than translating and writing entire articles. Before I continue on with anything else I wanted to see what my fellow bsg wikipedians think. please respond on my talk page [[User Talk:Zarek Rocks]], I'll be posting this there as well. Thank you all for your advice, it's really appreciated.

*Swedish
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/sv:Battlestar Wiki:Normer och konventioner]]

== Articles Translated ==

List all articles that have been translated here. Also include the language that they were translated in.

*French
**[[33/fr:33 minutes]]
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/fr:Normes et Conventions]]
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Spoiler Policy/fr:Battlestar Wiki:Politique du Spoiler]]

*German
**[[Flashlight/de:Taschenlampe]]
**[[Viper 0205/de:Viper 0205]]
**[[Ragnar/de:Ragnar]]
**[[Original battlestar (RDM)/de:Kampfstern (RDM)]]
**[[33/de:33 Minuten]]

*Spanish
**[[33/es:33 Minutos]]
**[[Colonial Fleet/es:Flota Colonial]]
**[[Viper 0205/es:Viper 0205]]
**[[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage/es:Batalla del Ancladero Ragnar]]
**[[Ragnar Anchorage/es:Ancladero Ragnar]]
**[[Galactica (RDM)/es:Galactica (RDM)]]
**[[William Adama/es:William Adama]]
**[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)/es:Las Doce Colonias (RDM)]]
**[[Pegasus (RDM)/es:Pegasus (RDM)]]
**[[Blind jump/es:Salto a ciegas]]
**[[Aaron Doral/es:Aaron Doral]]
**[[Galen Tyrol/es:Galen Tyrol]]
**[[Water/es:Agua]]
**[[Number Six/es:Numero Seis]]
**[[Bastille Day/es:Día de la Bastilla]]
**[[Toaster/es:Tostadora]]
**[[Flashlight/es:Linterna]]
**[[Act of Contrition/es:Acto de Contricción]]
**[[The Farm/es:La Granja]]
**[[Mercury class battlestar/es:Battlestar clase Mercury]]

*日本語 (Japanese)
**[[Viper 0205/jp:ヴァイパー 0205]]

== Templates Translated ==

* '''French'''
** [[Template:Episode List (fr)]]
** [[Template:Episode Data (fr)]]
** [[Template:Spoiler (fr)]]
** [[Template:Spoiltext (fr)]]

* '''German'''
** [[Template:Episode Data (de)]]
** [[Template:Spoiler (de)]]
** [[Template:Spoiltext (de)]]
** [[Template:Babelfish (de)]]

* '''Spanish'''
** [[Template:Episode Data (es)]]
** [[Template:Spoiltext (es)]]
** [[Template:Spoiler (es)]]
** [[Template:Episode List (es)]]
** [[Template:Character Data (es)]]

* '''日本語 (Japanese)'''
** [[Template:Spoiler (jp)]]

Battlestar Wiki:Translation Project

2006-02-23T23:26:08Z

Dancing salad: /* Spanish */

{{project|Translation Project}}

This project deals with converting articles from the '''Battlestar Wiki''' into other languages.

== Overview ==

Presently, all of the content on this wiki is in [[Wikipedia:English language|english]] -- American english, to be specific. We have people who view this Wiki from other countries, as far away as Europe. And likely further.

Therefore, this is a formal effort to recruit mutli-lingual contributors and organize these contributors to translate our documents in other languages.

== How to Begin ==

Since we don't (yet) have a setup similar to Wikipedia (where Wikipedia has individal German, Italian, and Spanish editions of Wikipedia), here is how translated articles can be added.

To begin, create a subpage of the article you wish to translate. For instance, let's say you were going to tackle the article on [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] and translate it into Spanish. Here's how you would begin:

* In the search box, type in:
*: The Fleet/es:La Flota
* Press "Go". Select "create this article" option.
* Begin translating the article. Once done, list the article on this page under Articles Translated.

Once there are a growing number of articles, Joe will then set up an invidiual BSG Wiki for that language. (i.e. de.battlestarwiki.org for German BSG Wiki, et al.).

== Contributors ==

Contributors to this project may be added here. Please include the languages you would be interested in translating our documents to, as well as your level of expertise in said language.

=== Brazillian Portuguese ===

* [[User:naio21|Ivan]] 00:57, 12 February 2006 (GMT -3h) - Brazilian Portuguese, native language
* [[User:Infestans|Infestans]] 18:43, 19 February 2006 (GMT -3h) - Brazilian Portuguese, native language

=== French ===

* [[User:Karoshi|Karoshi]] 11:22, 2 February 2006 (EST) - French, it's my native language.

=== German ===

* [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 02:57, 04 February 2006 (CET) - German, native German
* [[User:$traight-$hoota|$traight-$hoota]] – native German

=== Japanese ===

* [[User:Zarek Rocks|Zarek Rocks]] 21:23, 2 February 2006 (EST) Two years of Japanese, but a little rusty. I do have people that could help me edit for grammar though so I'm onboard for that.

=== Spanish ===

* [[User:Major Payne|Major Payne]] 23:42, 03 February 2006 (GMT -3h) - Spanish, native language
* [[User:Lindem Herz|Lindem Herz]] 10:08, 06 February 2006 (GMT -5h) - Spanish, native language
* [[User:Prometheus|Prometheus]] 2:16, 13 February 2006 (EST) - Spanish, native language
* [[User:Kestrel|Kestrel]] 13:16, 16 February 2006 (GMT -3h) - Spanish, native language
* [[User:Dancing Salad|Dancing Salad]] 00:24, 24 February 2006 (GMT +1) - Spanish, native language

=== Swedish ===

* [[User:turboemmis|turboemmis]] 17:48, 11 February 2006 (CET) - Swedish, native language
* [[User:mrpeachum|MrPeachum]] 19:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT -8h, PST) - Swedish, native language

=== More than one non-American English language ===

* [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:57, 27 January 2006 (EST) - Spanish, 4 years of Spanish and a year of Latin (a long time ago)
* [[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:46, 31 January 2006 (EST) -German, 3 years of German plus mother is a German major and a BSG fan. Can also help a little with Russian, and others.
* [[User:Leoben_Conoy|Leoben_Conoy]] 20:49 02 February 2006 (TST) - Spanish, 7 years plus foreign exchange to South America (Fluent, but a bit rusty); 2 years of Japanese (some conversational ability, minimal writing/reading ability)

=== Technical personel ===

: ''People who really don't translate anything, but will help in behind-the-scenes technical tasks. Or people who promote the effort. Things like that.''

* [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 13 February 2006 (EST) -- will set up new wikis as the number of documents translated increases and other BTS tasks (the Wizard of Oz, as it were)

== Articles Needing Translation ==

Obviously our eventual goal is to have just about everything translated. Rather than listing every page here, this can be used to request critical pages for translators to focus on.

*[[Battlestar Wiki:Spoiler Policy]] - All languages, but particularly German (to go with the spoiler templates below), and French.
*[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions]] - All languages (to give new contributors a common reference to work from).

== Language Specific Spoiler Checkpoints ==
''Feel free to adjust the title of this section.'' 
This section is intended to be a handy place to keep track of how far the series has progressed in the particular languages, in order to avoid translating spoiler content over from the English side.
* German
**[[Water]] - Airs 15 February, 2006.
* French
**[[Flight of the Phoenix]] ''(Le Vol du Phoenix)'' - 19 February, 2006.

== Articles in Progress ==

Articles that have begun the translation process. They could use more content translated or another eye to look at it (or both).

*[[:Category:Babelfish]] - This is an experiment to expand some of the foreign language content.

*French
** [[Armistice Station/fr:Station d'armistice]]

*German
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/de:Battlestar Wiki:Standards und Konventionen]]
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Spoiler Policy/de:Spoiler Richtlinien]]
**[[Template:Episode List (de)]]
**[[Basestar (TOS)/de:Basisstern (TOS)]] - I cleaned up, linked, categorized, moved to correct name (I think). Somebody needs to double check my linking (since I don't speak German), and possibly add the disambig line at the top pointing to the (RDM) basestars (since we're focusing on the RDM content initially).
**[[Miniseries/de:Miniserie]]
**[[Water/de:Wassermangel]]
**[[Bastille Day/de: Meuterei auf der Astral Queen]]
**[[Act of Contrition/de:Zeichen der Reue]]
**[[You Can't Go Home Again/de:Kein Weg zurück]]
**[[Litmus/de:Das Tribunal]]
**[[Six Degrees of Separation/de:Unter Verdacht]]
**[[Flesh and Bone/de:Fleisch und Blut]]
**[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down/de:Ellen]]
**[[The Hand of God/de:Die Hand Gottes]]
**[[Colonial Day/de:Der Zwölferrat]]
**[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I/de:Kobol, Teil I]]
**[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II/de:Kobol, Teil II]]
**[[Scattered/de:Die verlorene Flotte]]
**[[Valley of Darkness/de:Im Tal der Finsternis]]
**[[Fragged/de:Die Gesetze des Krieges]]
**[[Resistance/de:Leben und Sterben]]
**[[The Farm/de:Die Farm]]
**[[Home, Part I/de:Heimat, Teil I]]
**[[Home, Part II/de:Heimat, Teil II]]

*Spanish
**[[Miniseries/es:Miniserie]] - (overview, backplot, questions, noteworthy dialogue and cast translated)
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/es:Battlestar Wiki:Estándares y Convenios]]
**[[Template:Characters (es)]] - almost complete but for the Characters link. Will go around it once that other page is translated. Will probably translate the page title too then.

*日本語 (Japanese)
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/jp:バツスタ-ヰキ:標準及び大会]] - Just started and my translation is a bit rough but I think it will be ok for just beginning. I should be able to refine it a little more later. Leobon I can use any help you can give me, thanks.
***I have noticed that I can translate a lot of these articles into Japanese. I have the vocabulary, what I don't know I can look up, but my grammar isn't there. Is this a project that I should be pursuing if my grammar isn't 100%? I feel like even if I wasn't on completely, I could still save whoever comes (maybe no one) after me. If I had the articles mostly translated they'll have to fix parts of an article rather than translating and writing entire articles. Before I continue on with anything else I wanted to see what my fellow bsg wikipedians think. please respond on my talk page [[User Talk:Zarek Rocks]], I'll be posting this there as well. Thank you all for your advice, it's really appreciated.

*Swedish
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/sv:Battlestar Wiki:Normer och konventioner]]

== Articles Translated ==

List all articles that have been translated here. Also include the language that they were translated in.

*French
**[[33/fr:33 minutes]]
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions/fr:Normes et Conventions]]
**[[Battlestar Wiki:Spoiler Policy/fr:Battlestar Wiki:Politique du Spoiler]]

*German
**[[Flashlight/de:Taschenlampe]]
**[[Viper 0205/de:Viper 0205]]
**[[Ragnar/de:Ragnar]]
**[[Original battlestar (RDM)/de:Kampfstern (RDM)]]
**[[33/de:33 Minuten]]

*Spanish
**[[33/es:33 Minutos]]
**[[Colonial Fleet/es:Flota Colonial]]
**[[Viper 0205/es:Viper 0205]]
**[[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage/es:Batalla del Ancladero Ragnar]]
**[[Ragnar Anchorage/es:Ancladero Ragnar]]
**[[Galactica (RDM)/es:Galactica (RDM)]]
**[[William Adama/es:William Adama]]
**[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)/es:Las Doce Colonias (RDM)]]
**[[Pegasus (RDM)/es:Pegasus (RDM)]]
**[[Blind jump/es:Salto a ciegas]]
**[[Aaron Doral/es:Aaron Doral]]
**[[Galen Tyrol/es:Galen Tyrol]]
**[[Water/es:Agua]]
**[[Number Six/es:Numero Seis]]
**[[Bastille Day/es:Día de la Bastilla]]
**[[Toaster/es:Tostadora]]
**[[Flashlight/es:Linterna]]
**[[Act of Contrition/es:Acto de Contricción]]
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User talk:The Merovingian

2006-02-23T04:21:59Z

Dancing salad: /* may i use your user page template to do mine, please? */

''Why is a raven like a writing desk?''

== Regarding your RfA ==

Hi Ricimer, while your RfA did not pass, I firmly and wholeheartedly believe that you are fully capable of passing the RfA, should it come up again within, say, six months. If you have any concerns, feel free to address them with Peter, myself, or any of the other major contributors. Have a happy New Year! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:31, 30 December 2005 (EST)

:I have yet to play my trump card. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:32, 30 December 2005 (EST)

:: Should I be afraid? *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:21, 31 December 2005 (EST)

== Battle Template ==

You're the guy who came up with this, right? Do you think that a) the thing could be made into an actual template (like the Character Data one with dissappearing/reappearing fields, etc) and b) it could be re-designed to look like the Character Data one (in terms of looking like the rest of the theme (the red/black is the default theme, isn't it?)? I don't know how these two things would be accomplished, but I thought I'd put this out there and see what you thought as far as feasability and also as far as ''should'' we do it. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:00, 18 January 2006 (EST)

== User name change ==

Just letting you know that I changed your name from Ricimer to The Merovingian. Let me know if you encounter any issues, not that I'm expecting any but just in case Murphy's Law decides to come and play. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:19, 7 February 2006 (EST)

: Also on this topic: You should probably update the first sentence of your User page to reflect the name change. If you want, I could probably get a decent screen-grab of the identically named character from the Matrix. Unfortunately, I don't have a DVD from which to grab pictures that stars any of the folks who founded Paris. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:24, 8 February 2006 (EST)
::Yes, actually, that would help immensly. I need one of The Merovingian when he's in Club Hel, standing at the balcony looking imperiously down at Neo. A shot that shows his whole body instead of a closeup would be preferred. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:13, 8 February 2006 (EST)
:::You should watch "Revolutions" again. Merv isn't peering down at Neo but at Morpheus, Trinity, and Seraph (Neo never visits Club Hel in the movie series, although the Path of Neo video game takes him there while the Club is closed). I'll also try to get a screencap for you if time allows. My Matrix knowledge may be better than my BSG knowledge (note witty, illustrated user page; I've been almost tempted to change my user name to something more appropriate... ;) By the way, I like your revised user page. Merv is one of those characters whose deserved more exploration on the same level as the Oracle and the Architect. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:45, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:"Neo" just came out; I was thinking Seraph & Co., just typed the wrong thing. (''That little Judas! I'm going to have him killed and buried in a shallow grave, then dig him up and kill him again...'''That's the beauty of a shallow grave!''') ''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:52, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::I actually took a philosphy class and my choice for a paper was on ''The Matrix''. Basically, I've made several of the more...insightful speculations about The Merovingian on his Wikipdia article. You see, Morpheus and Neo represent Socrates: wanting to get out of "The Cave" to the real world beyond, etc. However, I believe (and I'm the only person I know of who's thought of this; I didn't read it anywhere, but thought it up after reading ''Leviathan'') that The Merovingian is the embodiment of Thomas Hobbes in The Matrix. He spouts off Hobbesian thought all of the time. Hobbes said that "choice is an illusion" that the only constant is "cause and effect", and that the best thing we can do with our lives is kind of movie along with the flow of causality in such a way that we enjoy all of the *physical, transient* pleasures that we can, while we can. Live a life of comfornt and luxury, etc. The Merovingian *lives out* this ideal: He's living in complete luxury, like at Le Vrai, the Chateau, Club Hel (and he has affairds with women all the time, etc), he wields a great deal of physical power...yet recognizes that it's all just "a game" devoid of purpose; it's transient, etc. He's stopped seeing any higher meaning in anything. --->Hobbes was a big critic of Socrates, and his philosophy was the polar opposte of Socrates' thought. In the same way, The Merovingian opposes Neo and Morpheus' philoshpy of getting out of the Matrix.
:I hold with the theory that he's a former One, that got his brain pattern scanned into a computer to outlive the death of his body. But he got so disillusioned with all of the lies and how the quest for freedom was just a reset button, that he turned against all of this and became the master of the Exiles, living the complete opposite of all of this (note; he ''really hates'' the Oracle, and views everything Neo says about her with extreme sarcasm). Plus, the initials "LV" on the walls of "Le Vrai" are Roman numerals for "LV" = 55. Now, we've already seen 303= Trinity, 101= Neo. So there's something about The Merovingian and the number "5". On top of this, when we first meet him there are 5 glasses set out in front of him (and Persephone, his Trinity-analog, has 3 chocolates on her plate). --->There have been 5 "Ones" before Neo. I think the Merovingian is the ''first'' "One". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:01, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:::Yeah, that theory and his Hobbes relationship (I think--it may be in a book I read) is on the Wikipedia article. I edited the article in dispute of Merv being a past One. It all comes down to some logic points. ''Why'' does he hate the Oracle so much? Because she succeeded where he failed. She stabilized the Matrix by adding true choice, where Merv was likely tapped by the Architect earlier to program basic cause-effect subroutines in the Matrix code as well as manage the root-programs in Matrix-beta-2 that could be used to help with these changes (these programs he now holds for his own purposes). The Architect realized the utopian flaw in beta-1 and thought that simple cause-effect (combined with the root-programs--the monsters of myth) would be sufficient to convince the human minds. He was wrong, of course. Remember that the Merovingian is big on cause-effect, and the Oracle states that he is one the oldest of them all, which makes his human origin very unlikely as the machines by then were fully distrustful of humanity and saw itself as a steward, not bothering to hear out humanity anymore than we would listen to the needs of an ant. The One is purely human; if the Merovingian were a "One", he would have been generated within beta-2, and, as a result, would not be like the Ones that base their power from true choice (particularly the power to ''dis''believe what they see and act otherwise). To add to that: Merv could also be very mad at the Oracle because, in the Oracle's version of the Matrix, any powers he may have had in beta-2 are practically non-existent. (You gave me a new take the character now from that...hmm.) Oh, and "La Vrai" means, "The Truth", which is just Merv's way of protesting of what's around him..vulgarities of "choice". Only in his establishments, by the name implication, will the populace understand the "truth" about what is illusion to him (choice) and real (cause and effect).

:::I wrote a paper about the origin of the One (with a bit on Merv) for a SF convention that will BLOW. YOUR. MIND. If you like, I'd be happy to send you a PDF of it. I've not published this as yet, so it's a unique read that incorporates the above. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:29, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::::I would like to BLOW. MY. MIND. as well... ''the preceeding, signed comment and small recommendation that Spence forward me a copy of his insightful paper on Merv was made by [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] on 17:47, 8 February 2006 (EST) :-)''

::::: Actually, Spence... Could you just, maybe, copy it to User:Spencerian/Matrix or something? It might save you from forwarding it to a billion people. If you don't like that idea, then put me on your forwarding list. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:19, 9 February 2006 (EST)

:There, I must disagree with you. The Merovingian is not "the oldest of us" but "one of the oldest of us", which would still fit my interpretation. Further, in ''Leviathan'' Hobbes goes on a tangent where he says that because everything in life is "cause and effect", logically, we should '''in theory''' be able to predict the future, because life has no external factors (god, random choice, etc. Fate/causality rules all). But he adds that '''in practice''', this is impossible, simply because there are so many variants that the human mind cannot grasp at once--->it reminds me of discussions of ''psychohistory'' in "Prelude to Foundation"; hen Hari Seldon originally presented his first paper theorizing that psychohistory was ''possible'', he explained that he did not yet have a working model because his paper essentially just proved that you could actually analyze all of the "antecedants" of life in a computer model. I.e. if the universe is so compex that the only functional "model" of it is something as big and complicated as the universe itself, such a model is useless. However, he said that you ''could'' actually make a model smaller than the universe itself..
::Well, the point is that according to The Merovingian's own Hobbesian principles, he is in a possition SIMULTANEOUSLY A) He believes the world to be governed by nothing but causality, and therefore, he should be able to predict the future, but B) THE VERY SAME principles that idea is based on also state that predicting the future is ''Practically'' impossible. This might get a little annoying to him. --->So then there's The Oracle, who CAN predict the future, while he cannot (though in theory, he should). Therefore, this adds another level of hate for her, and he wants the "eyes of the Oracle" (which he's "Wanted ever since I came ''here'') because he's jealous. And who's to say the Machines would not want to tap the talen of the "grotesque" human mind in designing/running a more human world (beta-2)? I digress. P.S. Don't get me started on MXO's Agent Pace...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:13, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:::Yes, Merv is one of the oldest, not the oldest. Merv was only half-right, which is why his Matrix worked only halfway. Predicting the future is not impossible if the events in the world ''work like a computer program does.'' He wanted to predict things logically--but, with choice involved, prediction becomes far less logical or predictable. When people in his Matrix version realized they, too, could guess the logical cause and effect, they lost believablity in their Matrix. The Oracle's Matrix has no such problem for the most part. Hey, you haven't an email address to send you my paper (Joe just got a copy). You can send me your address privately to my email if you care not to post it publicly. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:57, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:::: '''Tangent''': I once tried to start up a Matrix-themed MUSH which was to be placed in an unspecified previous iteration of the Matrix, only a few years after the death of the One that started the thing. We had some lengthy debates about how to implement the Oracle or make any sort of assertions that would A) be specific enough so as to be cool when they came true but, b) be vague enough so as to be possible in a roleplaying environment that included, well, ''choice''. Eventually, though, all the staffers got busy doing [http://www.guildwars.com other] [[Main Page|things]]. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:19, 9 February 2006 (EST)

: Merovingian, eh? I must say I like it, much preferable to Ricimer - and I'm not a troll. [[User:Jzanjani|Jzanjani]] 02:33, 21 February 2006 (EST)

::Prove it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:02, 21 February 2006 (EST)

==A ''Revelation'' I've Had==

[AgentSmith]Let me share a ''revelation'' I've had [/Agentsmith]. In case you are new, most here are of the consensus that my attitude towards edits is overall blunt/brusk, not "polite", etc. (it's just letters on a screen, so I just never gauged "politeness" much; not that I make personal attacks, just that I "cut through it" and say what I'm thinkin'). Anyway, '''Day''' summarized some of this pretty well on Talk:Perry when he said just now: "''your jumping off the cuff with aggressive language at people who simply disagree with you. It may be a matter that would be handled by inflection, were you interacting in real life, but you should realize that when you're dealing with text only, you have only very gross control over inflection: normal, bold and italics. And they can be construed as meaning many things. As a side note, I've noticed you like to use bold and such a lot and so, sometimes, you do combinations or all-caps or asterisks for further emphasis. I mean this in only an entirely constructive way, but... I have no idea how to interpret those passages except as very loud, so they're more confuysing to me, personally, than helpful.''". Well, I think I've '''finally realized what the crux of the problem was:'''

Loss of essence. A profound sense of fatiuge, a feeling of emptiness...caused by terrorists trying to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids, through water fluoridation. It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core terrorist works. He hold no value for human life, not even his own. Well, I can no longer sit back and allow terrorist infiltration, terrorist indoctrination, terrorist subversion and the international terrorist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.--->Hahaha, sorry. I can never resist a good plug for the old ''Dr. Strangelove'' routine.

But I digress.

No, seriously. I finally realized what the crux of all of this friction has been: As you know, I am a prolific poster on the official messageboard. '''I think the problem is, I've been posting on BattlestarWiki as if it were a messageboard'''. You see, messageboards aren't as formal and a lot of, well, yelling, arguing as part of debate, etc., is actually ''the norm'' there. Further, when it comes to '''my''' ''overuse'' of ''' ''**inflection**'' '''....I'm just *used* to typing that way because that's how you highlight and emphasize stuff on messageboard posts (it's sort of how you make up for not being able to see visible social cues, etc.) Also--->Posts on messageboards can sometimes fill an entire Microsoft word single-spaced document page. They can get really long. So you've really got to highlight the beginning of every new idea or paragraph like that to make your point, etc.

But on the whole, it's just a different atmosphere, more "pack-mentality" to establish dominance through a show of force (GREAT Farscape joke about that one in the first episode of the fourth season...but I digress.), and a fanatical amount of information, etc.

I realize it took me a while, but I've finally come to the full realization that '''My Talk page posts, etc. seem kind of rough because I'm just typing like these are messageboard posts'''. (Messageboard posts disappared practially after 5 minutes, so you try to have as big an impact as possible, while here they just stay there for long periods, etc.)

So, I've realized that that's what's been going on, and I realize now (from experience) just how different a wiki is from that, so I will alter my tone accordingly. (Of course, I'll still '''highlight''' stuff that might seem important, but not go overboard). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:36, 10 February 2006 (EST)

:Excellent! That's an angle I hadn't considered. The signal to noise ratio is definitely much higher here than at some other places. Heck, the fact that people were still discussing a question I asked around the first of December is an excellent demonstration between the way things happen around here and the official board. I hope you have begun to see that the people here value what you have to say/contribute (without the need to clamor to be heard above the din). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:30, 10 February 2006 (EST)

:: That may be a very apt metaphor, SV. Reading Merv's posts is sometimes like listening to someone who thinks your in the other room, but really you're right behind them. Roughly, "Hey. I'm already ''listening'', '''Dude'''." *wink* Anyway, I hope this is exactly the issue at, uh... issue, here. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:24, 10 February 2006 (EST)

== Recent Rollback ==

Hey. I rolled back your last edit on [[Louanne Katraine]] because we don't use quotes with single episode citations enclosed in parentheses. So, if I wrote an episode name when discussing an episode in this sentence that talks about, say, "[[Scar]]", it doesn't look like a citation like this ([[Scar]]). For consistancy we do quotes within parentheses in a string of episodes cited, with the exception of the Miniseries name, which is not an episode name per se ([[Miniseries]], "[[Scattered]]", "[[Fragged]]"). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:19, 10 February 2006 (EST)

:Yes, thank you. I was confused on this. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:22, 10 February 2006 (EST)

== Template Categories ==
What are you looking for for the writers and directors? A navigation template? Or a category (I ran into [[:Category:Directors]] after I created one)? I'd be glad to help, I just don't have a concept of what you're needing. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:19, 10 February 2006 (EST)

When I write pages about Sharon, Number Six, etc. I write at the bootom "Category:Cylons" (with double brackets around it). I think we need a Category set for "Writers" and "Directors" (in place of "Cylons"). However, one or two episodes split the "Writers" credit between "Teleplay" and "Story by" (see official site episode guide). I just put "Story by" into "Story by" slots in the guide, and Writer for who wrote the Teleplay: Regardless, I think both Teleplay and Story writers should fall under the "Writers" category, and I will make note of which was which on their individual pages.
----->Essentially, I realized we had no "At a Glance" method of seeing the past work of a writer or director. Essentially, I see that episode 3.12 is coming up, and I see "hmm, who is this? why, I'll click on his name and get a list of other episodes he's done.....oh no! He wrote the abysmal "Black Market"!...or..."Hmm, she wrote the wonderful "Resistance"...this should be interesting. I'm trying to make A) pages for all of the writers and directors, and B) lists on those individual pages of all the episodes they've worked on, so, logically--->C)We should have a more fully developed category system for "Writers" and "Diretors" (the rudiments of which are present on the main page, but which were never fully developed. I felt that now is a good a time as any.)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:33, 10 February 2006 (EST)
:There's a directors category already, and a Category:Director: Michael Rymer, which is a subcategory of Michael Rymer. Thus if you tag an episode with Category:Director: Michael Rymer it should fall under the Michael Rymer category. The directors category would then just be a container for all those subcategories. So we just need a Category:Director: X where X is each director (and make sure that each of those has the category of Director, so that they show up as subcategories). We could then make a template, I guess, but since we're talking about just having to add one category tag at the bottom, I'm not sure it merits a template. I'll start up the Category:Writers, if you want, if you could list out which Directors and Writers we need to capture. We may want to consult with Farago on this, as he has a knack for categorization. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:44, 10 February 2006 (EST)
::Ah. There's already a Category:Writers as well. Looks like somebody planned ahead. It looks like we'd just need to make the subcategories then. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:47, 10 February 2006 (EST)

== Rollback ==

I rolled back your last edit on the Binary Star System article. "Battlestar" is not capitalized unless at the start of a sentence or when used in the show's name. The article referenced is [[Mercury class battlestar]] as shown and needed no capitalization. "Axis" to "column" (or spire) adds little to the edit, but it's a matter of taste there. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:15, 19 February 2006 (EST)

==Just to say==
Merv, I just wanted to say that I think you've been putting an excellent face forward recently. Keep it up. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:23, 19 February 2006 (EST)

''All is proceeding according to plan..''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:07, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== Colonial arm patches and insignia ==

No offence, but call yourself a Battlestar Galactica fan?
Some Merovingian you are! you are an insult to both the name and the entire series of both past and present series of "Battlestar".
If you want to recognise these images in my document, which took me the better part of my morning (and life):
1)Watch the entirerity of Battlestar Galactica(1978) and Battlestar Galactica(2003) for all of said patches on the uniforms.
2)LOOK on EBAY! If they are so wrong, why are they selling them? They are free pictures from a public site of official merchandise! The rank structure is off this site!
I've been watching Battlestar Galactica since I could crawl when it was first aired!! You're just envious that I have done this amount of research in such a small space of time and used little devices called brain cells.
My advice, before you engage your keyboard, open your eyes and watch the damn program(s)! Only one person has left neutral feedback and spotted things even I missed!! Fair play to him.
Question) Why go to such lengths to put true fans of the program down?
Answer) Envy. --[[User:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

:I suggest you reconsider your statements with a calmer head, and learn that, as "Merv" has, politeness goes a long way. Also, never assume malevolence when incompetence remains a possibility. ;) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 16:47, 20 February 2006 (EST)

Thank you, Redwall, for defending me. There are several things you need pointed out which I believe your are unaware of Jetstorm316:

:'''1) I am not the person that deleted all of the images which you added to "Colonial arm patches and insignia"; that was Administrator SteelViper, who did so on February 20th, at 14:23.''' Please check the History page to confirm this, if you must.

:'''2) All I ever edited that you posted was on the [[Uniform]] page, and all I did was remove links to "Colonial arm patches"''', when it became apparent that
::A) SteelViper had already deleted most of the images from this page.
::B) As you can see now, Administrator Spencerian has already marked that page for deletion. '''All I have actually done is remove links to a page about to be deleted. I am not the one that deleted your images, or that is attempting to delete that page'''.
::C) There were also some minor factual corrections to "Uniform"; First: No, black arm bands are not worn only by "military police"; all Marines seen wearing the khaki uniform have black armbands. Does this mean they're Marines or Non-Coms? I don't know. Seemed a minor point. Second, despite your..."amount of research", it is false to say that "there is a grey arm patch on the left shoulder"; in fact, it is grey ''shoulder patches'' which I was referring to, not a single armpatch; I have since edited the article to be more specific

::'''''(Only because I pointed it out in the first Place "Dick Tracy" - Jetstorn316).'''''
:::Not really. I call those different colored patches "arm patches" because they're at the top of their arms; apparently you thought I was referring to a shoulder insignia, so I changed it to "shoulder patch" so you would not make this mistake in the future. You did not "point out" anything; "grey arm patch on left shoulder" (not both) is simply wrong. You didn't really....point out, much of anything.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 08:57, 21 February 2006 (EST)

:'''3)''' Your only real complaint against me is that I corrected the "Uniform" page: '''Your claims to having paid close attention to Original Series BSG are actually irrelevant in this matter, because the "[[Uniform]]" page deals entirely with Re-Imagined Series material.'''

So please, if you have a complaint about your images being deleted, please bring it to Administrator SteelViper, who deleted them.

I would hasten to point out that '''E-Bay should not be considered a reliable source of information, to put it mildly'''. One of your patches for Re-Imagined Pegasus was blatantly wrong, as it stated "BSG 63" instead of "BSG 62": "''My advice, before you engage your keyboard, open your eyes and watch the...program''". I think more of these problems might exist in the other images. Please provide reliable sources for them, following the rules of our [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Battlestar Wiki Citation Crusade]]. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:12, 20 February 2006 (EST)

: I concur, Merv. eBay is not a source sanctioned by the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]]. Just because something is sold there does not mean it is factual. Look at all the obviously wrong STar Trek stuff that sells on there. Or all the random, literally, ''trash'' that sells. Jetstorm, if you're reading this, we ''greatly'' prefer to use stills from the actual episodes for images when we can. If not, then we're much more likely to want drawn (whether by hand or electronically) images, rather than photos of fan-created props. What we would risk losing in accuracy from such fan-created works (artwork or, for instance, sewing) we'd gain in the ability to change some .psd on a regualr user's HD. It is quite bad form to flip out at someone for changing your edit to a page. It is ''quite'' bad form to do so at the wrong person. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:05, 21 February 2006 (EST)

And which....program were you watching? Matrix or BSG? Did you pick the wrong one up from Blockbusters?

Yes, I Conceed the "BSG 62 point", as at the time of manufacture (look, research!), the manufacturer was under the assumption that it was "BSG 63". Small error, but what can we do? I do not claim to be perfect, nor assume I'm right. I've always got something new to learn.

:"What you can do" is pay attention. You just made a long tirade, berating me because you felt YOU paid "much more attention" to the series, when in fact actually watching the episodes, but more to the point, BOTHERING TO USE BATTLESTARWIKI's PEGASUS ARTICLE, would have alerted you do this error. Define "irony".--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 09:00, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Steelviper did contact me in regards to the images, and at the time I had trouble previewing them even though I uploaded them first, that is why there were duplicates. Clerical error. But at least he was man enough to tell me, via email!

:You do not understand how this works: according to our Standards and Conventions, the official way we alert each other of these problems is by posting on BattlestarWiki talk pages, not outside e-mail. Perhaps you are referring to the fact that SteelViper left a message on your own Talk page; this isn't called "e-mail". Moreover, '''I also left a message there''', which included a link to the discussion on THIS page; it is considered rude/redundant to just repeat the same discussion on two sets of Talk pages; instead, it is best to leave links to the primary discussion from the other Talk pages, etc. etc. which is exactly what I did.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 09:03, 21 February 2006 (EST)

But you are wrong on the rest of the discussion, "MERV".

Military Police or security personnel ARE the only people who wear black armbands. Starbuck, Cally, Dualla nor Tyrol wear one!
It is my guess that this is to seperate crew from Millitary law personnel in times of incursion or juditial period. The Khaki may be a universal uniform(off duty, planet ops, ect). Non-Coms and recriuts are the main users for this "Dress" code.
Marines wear Black Combat Gear and Black body webbing/armour.

:Again, no; we know very little about Marines, and we don't actually know any of this; as far as we can tell, ALL marines that don't wear Battle Dress Uniforms (Black Combat Gear, capitalized, is not a real term) also have the armband. Either way, it is the subject of much debate, and we haven't actually been able to conclusively figure this out because they feature the Marines so rarely. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 09:07, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Obviously, I'm dealing with an American intelect with very little Military knowledge. No wonder you lost Veitnam!

Ebay IS a good source, it's just a shame you never thought of it. Its just a matter of where to look. Film footage, in this case, is unreliable, as most of the images are blurred. In reference to your member [[User:Day|Day]], It's official merchandise otherwise EBAY would retract ALL sales of said merchance due to legalities. "DUH!"

:Um....No. Ebay is not a good source; they can sell anything, usually fan made stuff. It is not our policy to use it, plus it wouldn't make sense to use it. If film is blurred...we get a ''sharper image''. No, it is not simply "official merchandise"; besides, the cheap plastic Star Trek pins and insignia you see sold all the time on these are often quite wrong. They're just churning out stuff for us to buy, without regard to accuracy.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 09:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)

[[User:Redwall|Redwall]], "Merv" is cocky and rushes headlong into matters that don't concern him. A tactical ploy which doesn't work with me. I've beaten guys like this before, and won! Politeness is something you EARN! In case you haven't noticed, Merovingian is another name for "Librarian". I added the links as a follow up segment, to show what he is describing.

'''Rush in? ''You'' Rushed to my Talk page to accuse me of making image deletions which I in fact did not, and made quite a long tirade about it without checking the facts first, which would reveal that I am not the person that did it. Since ''when'' is responding to a personal attack posted ON MY OWN TALK PAGE considered "matters that don't concern me"?'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 09:13, 21 February 2006 (EST)

"Merv" or should I say '''"Dick Tracy"''', the whole point of the article, is to show the difference between TOS and the Reimagined series. Go ahead, deleate the article, but did you not stop think that I wouldn't back it up on my HD? "Something that is lost can be replaced" is what my old C.O. used to say. This article is no exception. If you are "All-knowing" why didn't y'all see this coming? Unless you plan on breaking into my house (Unlikely), and destroying said articles and images, there's not a fat lot of good you can do!

:...you're really not paying attention. '''For the third time, *I* am not the person that was trying to delete these images, though I supported their deletion after the fact.''' You think we're like, trying to destroy these images at all points in time and space? Of course images still exist on E-bay and stuff. We can just delete it every time you try to add it into BattlestarWiki; and if you do so repeatedly in the face of deletion, such actions will be met with stern measures by the Administrators.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 09:16, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Tell you what, Ban me from this site for all I care! You sound like you spend too much time in your basement worriing about fact than what is wrong.

::"[[Wikipedia:Truthiness|Truthiness]]" --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 09:18, 21 February 2006 (EST)

True fans don't worry about this, just hope it makes good TV. If we did, the current "Pegasus" would(or should) have died at "Battle of the Resurrection Ship".

Take this "Site", bend over and shove it! I'll start my own, you dumb yank!

PS Never use the word "Jihad", you never know who is watching!--[[User:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]], 21 Febuary 2006.

:Oh I will gladly have you banned; you contributed nothing of value, and have proven to be quite an irresponsible user. I will make sure your request is granted. '''I may be a cruel man, but I am a fair one.''' --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 09:19, 21 February 2006 (EST)

: We've debated the use of the term Jihad already, Jetstorm. We expect people to be watching. If you would follow the above-linked project page to it's Talk, you can see that discussion for your self. I don't feel the need to repeat it here. I don't feel that anything else that's been said since I last posted in this deserves a direct response, so that's all I'll say. --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:51, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Jetstorm, for the love of the Gods, if you want to survive here much longer, I suggest you ''shut the fuck up right now.'' --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 08:03, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:Please, Redwall. This will solve nothing. Jetstorm does seem more willing to mellow out, now.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 08:33, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::Thank you, Merv. But a Note to Redwall, "Bully boy Tactics" have no effect on me, just makes me stronger! Myself and Merv have settled our "debate" in an honourable way, with much information shared, so we can both learn and grow, to co-exist as it were. I went for a brisk walk to sort myself out. I do regret things were said in the heat of battle and it proved noone really won anything. It made us look like school kids squabbling in a playground over nothing. Regretable, wouldn't you say?--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
::I wasn't trying to be a bully, I was trying to save you from destroying yourself. Your rapid descent appeared to neccessitate drastic action. Just remember that arguing on the Internet is a lot like participating in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still an idiot. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 16:43, 22 February 2006 (EST)

== Talk page uniform ==

please refer to the talk page for uniform, sections Dress Uniform RDM and Counterpoints. I do belive you'll find something of valuable notice.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

== may i use your user page template to do mine, please? ==

thats all.
--dancing_salad 22:12, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Oh you don't need to ask; go right ahead. BTW, you can automatically make a signature by typing four "~" signs in a row. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:38, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:i do, but i dont know why my name isn't linking to my user page --dancing_salad 23:21, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Cylon Models

2006-02-23T03:33:54Z

Dancing salad: /* Cylon Spacecraft */

{{Cylons Series}}
==Centurion Model 0005==
[[Image:Centurion_armor_old.jpg|thumb|Cylon Centurion (Armor) on display. ([[Miniseries]])]]
Model Name: Cylon Centurion
:''Main article: [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]''
The Centurion Model 0005, glimpsed briefly in two scenes of the [[Miniseries]], was apparently the latest Cylon model to have been extensively documented by Colonial authorities after the [[Cylon War]]. It is a primitive model, resembling a short, clumsy humanoid with a single red eye - or as some of the Colonials contemptuously referred to them, "chrome [[toaster]]s". According to [[Saul Tigh]] in a deleted [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/202/deleted1.html scene] from the episode "[[Resistance]]", they had a distinctive "stink" of machine oil.

These models were apparently the instigators of the Cylon Rebellion, or their immediate descendants. They fought in all the major engagements of the Cylon War, including the boardings of ''[[Brenik]]'' and ''[[Galactica]]''. A painting by [[Monclair]] depicts a massive melee between early-model Cylons and joint Aerelon-Caprican ground forces.

They were apparently far from emotionless — in the above-mentioned scene, Tigh recollects their vicious tactics in hand-to-hand combat: "The first one was Duncan Raverty. I found him in the corridor. His guts were strewn around on the floor. Y'know, at first I couldn't figure out why the Cylons would bother doing something like that [...] You had to look into their red eye-slit. They hated us. They hated us so much it wasn't enough just to kill us."

:''This model was included in the miniseries primarily as an homage to the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. Within the context of the Re-imagined Series, the Model 0005 is over 40 years old, and was the last assumed appearance of the Cylons after the war. While remarks by [[Number Six]] in the miniseries state that "those [walking chrome toaster] models are still around. They have their uses," it is most likely that she is referring to the modern Centurions, which seem to have replaced them entirely.''

==Modern Centurion==
[[Image:Cylon Centurion New 002.jpg|thumb|right|The deadly Cylon Centurion, upgraded from its predacessors.]]
:''Main article: [[Cylon Centurion]]''
The current mainstay of Cylon ground forces, the modern Centurion is a taller, swifter and more agile unit than the Model 0005. Its "fingers" serve as edged weapons in close-quarters combat, and can retract to make way for projectile weapons built into its forearms.

There are apparently two armor configurations - the Centurions encountered by Lt. [[Karl Agathon]] on occupied [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] were susceptible to normal small-arms fire, while the boarding party dispatched to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in the episode "[[Valley of Darkness]]" could only be impeded by explosive rounds.

Although the earlier centurion models presumably took a leadership role in their war against the colonials, modern centurions are completely mute and subservient to the human models. According to an interview with Ron Moore, they are not sentient and unlike the Cylon agents, their minds are not transferred to new bodies upon death.

==Cylon Spacecraft==
[[image:SCinside2.jpg|thumb|right|[[Kara Thrace]] is cutting the brain of the [[Cylon Raider]] in order to get in. ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]")]]
:''Main article: [[Cylon Spacecraft]]''
The current model Cylon Raider is an unpiloted, autonomous craft ([[Miniseries]]), apparently capable of operating at fair distance from any command vessel ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]], [[Final Cut]]). Capt. [[Jackson Spencer]], encountering the newer model Cylon Raider for the first time, expresses shock that "nobody's flying these things". Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] later discovers that the Raider she had [[Skirmish over the Red Moon|shot down over the Red Moon]] was, after a fashion, "alive". She removes most of its organic parts before returning with it to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. There, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]], a Cylon sleeper agent, guesses that the Raider is a Cylon in its own right, although "More of an animal, maybe, than the human models... like a pet" ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]).

The current model [[Cylon Basestar]] also makes extensive use of organic parts ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), although it is unclear whether or not is can function autonomously.

:''In both these cases, the distinction between a "Cylon" and their own semi-sentient technology becomes increasingly blurred — interestingly, the same problem that lead to the [[Cylon War]] in the first place.''

== Human Models ==
:''Main article: [[Cylon agent]]''
At some point at least two years prior to the [[miniseries]], Cylon forces in exile on their homeworld were able to perfect the creation of organic models, almost completely indistinguishable from human beings. These were used to quietly and effectively infiltrate the Colonial defense forces, with agents such as [[Number Six#Natasi|Natasi]] gaining access to secret military technology, and sleeper agents such as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] being planted within the [[Colonial Fleet]] itself.

Cylon agents can be programmed to believe they are human, and several have been planted within colonial society with false memories and forged backgrounds. Unplanned discovery of their true nature can be extremely disturbing for these units, and their behavior is not always predictable.

Cylon agents are visually indistinguishable from humans. Only slight chemical differences reveal human from Cylon agent. Humanoid Cylons apparently differ from humans in three principal ways:

===Reproductive Difficulties=== [[Image:Sharonspine.jpg|thumb|right|Sharon Valerii conceives a child with [[Karl Agathon]] ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]).]]
With a single exception, no human-model Cylon has been able to conceive a child ([[The Farm]]). It is impossible for two Cylons to reproduce with each other, and as result the Cylons began cross-breeding experiments with humans (who can reproduce easily), which so far has only resulted in the pregnancy of [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|the Caprica-copy of Sharon Valerii]]. Cylon beliefs attribute this to the apparent inability of Cylons to feel love, which they believe to be a crucial element of the process.

===Bioluminescence===
[[Image:6spine-ms.jpg|thumb|left|[[Number Six]]'s spine glows during intercourse]]On two occasions, the vertebrae of human-model Cylons have been seen to emit a red glow visible through the skin during sexual intercourse ([[Miniseries]], "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"). Their bodies' ability to emit or respond to light appears linked to their ability to interface with computer systems via fiber-optic connections ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Silica Pathways===
Cylon brains are imbued with a vague technology called [[Silica Pathways|silica pathways]]. This legacy technology existed in the original Centurion Model 0005, but some of this technology remains in the human models, although the technology appears to have been integrated at the molecular level since the brains of Cylon agents and humans are visually identical. Silica pathways are possibly key in the maintenance or transfer of thoughts, memories and consciousness of a Cylon to be downloaded and transferred into a new body when the agent dies. Silica pathways in Cylon agents, as in Centurions, remain susceptible to certain forms of radiation, as found in the upper atmosphere of the planet [[Ragnar]] and the [[Wikipedia:Plutonium|Plutonium]] used as the active element of Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]'s [[Cylon Detector]]. It normally takes several hours of prolonged exposure for this radiation to have a visible effect ([[Miniseries]], "[[Bastille Day]]").

===Known Models===

In the miniseries, somewhat ambiguous comments by [[Number Six]] and a note left for [[William Adama]] (presumably by [[Gaius Baltar]]) indicated that there were only twelve humanoid models at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. These were clarified by [[Ronald D. Moore]] in an [http://www.thefandom.com/Article50.phtml interview] on "The Chase Show", hosted on the SF webcast news site [http://www.thefandom.com/TheFandom.com]. Of the twelve human models, six have been revealed as of the episode "[[Final Cut]]".

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User talk:The Merovingian

2006-02-23T03:12:41Z

Dancing salad: /* may i use your user page template to do mine, please? */

User talk:The Merovingian

2006-02-23T03:12:27Z

Dancing salad: may i use your user page template to do mine, please?

User:Dancing salad

2006-02-23T03:10:57Z

Dancing salad:

hi there.

Talk:Uniforms (RDM)/Archive2

2006-02-23T02:34:53Z

Dancing salad: /* New Uniform Pics */

== Battle Dress Uniform ==

There seem to be two collar variations of the BDU's in Home pt. II, the normal collar like in any dress shirt worn by Apollo, and the Mandarin collar uniform worn by Adama. The Mandarin is the stand up collar that in the new generation uniforms is for comfort under body armor. You can see the difference in the screenshots for home on the reference link in the main article. The big two pics are the one of Apollo with the shouldered rifle and any of the Adama pics were he has the pepperbox aimed at Boomer's head.

:I agree. I'll make the change. Also, I may have been wrong about the flight suits. They could be plastic or vinyl instead of leather, opinions? Use this image as a reference. http://galactica.emedian.net/episode/1.06/imagepages/image2.html

I don't know, it looks like leather. I'll brainstorm on this. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

:The sleeves look like Vinyl. The vest looks like an unpolished leather. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:15, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

:: To me, the suit bit (sleeve, pegs, under-vest, etc.) looks like some kind of ''rubber'' material to me. I've thought this for a while now. I imagine that it's some kind of Space-Age Technology that is super-insulative and air-tight that would help in the case of cabin depressurization while in a Viper. This is, after all, the flight suit. I agree that the vest thingie looks leather. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:34, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

:::I agree with Day in that the flighsuit is probably a futuristic Space-Age material. I wonder what the actual costumes are made of (besides the vest, it is most likely unpolished leather). --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

If you are talking about the "Digital Urban Cammo" "BDU', which is actually known as a MARPAT...its not a collar variation, its the same collar. it can be worn like a madarin collar, or open like a standard butterfly collar.
My Question about the BDU's is what is the designation for the Khaki/Tan variant of the BDU's seen in the MiniSeries and the 1st Season?-- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]
:There is no Urban MARPAT, only the Forrest and Desert versions since the Urban was never accepted. The BDUs they wear in Home look to be a commercial digital pattern based off the MARPAT like the ones you can get at UsCav. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:04, 7 February 2006 (EST)
::Yep. While MARPAT has become slang for digital camo, technically only the U.S. Marines can use [[Wikipedia:MARPAT|MARPAT]]. The Army countered with the [[Wikipedia:Army Combat Uniform|ACU]], which lacks the color black. The wikipedia ACU article talks about the whole "Mandarin" up/down style (like Strato said). Does anybody have captures of the older (1st season) camo pattern that Strato is talking about? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:31, 7 February 2006 (EST)
:
::I wasn't refering to a Camo Pattern when I refrenced the Khaki/Tan...but a BDU uniform that is of the same construction as the Olive Drab ones...only Khaki/Tan.
This is seen in the background a few times in the Mini-Series (once on a Deck Hand working at a bench in the hanger deck) but can be seen most clearly in the Episode "Litmus" on Sgt. Hadrian ( http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hadrian). Just curious if thats supposed to be a Marine BDU variant, or what it is. In the Miniseries the Marines wore OD plus an armband that simply stated "Security"...so I really don't know what the color difference is supposed to mean.( in my last post above I was refering to Digital Cammo as "MARPAT" in the same way we refer to Tissue Paper as "Kleenex" regardless of the brand...sorry if that was confusing)-- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]

:::Um, as I have already said in the main article, "Marine NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers) wear a khaki uniform"-->That's a Marine Non-Com uniform. Normal Marines don't wear it.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:32, 7 February 2006 (EST)
::::It is just a khaki variant of the green service uniform that both the Non-coms and Officers wear. It may be missing the suede shoulders though, I need to go check out Litmus. Isn't it ironic that todays quote is from Litmus? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:20, 7 February 2006 (EST)

== Pictures ==

This article (as noted on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]] page) is gonna need a lot of pictures. Do you guys think that we should create a 3- or 4-equals heading for each kind of uniform to better align tha pictures with the accompanying text? This would also help in finding the specific type of uniform a reader is loking for if they were looking for that, rather than just looking for all/any uniform information. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:48, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

== Viper Pilot's Wings ==

What is the insignia that Colonial Officers wear on their uniform on the left side of their chest. It's diamond shaped, and some have sort of wings on the top, and some on the bottom. I have wondered what each signifies, or whether they are Viper Pilot's Wings, which I thought Kara mentioned in "You Can Never Go Home"(not sure of the name) [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 21:12, October 17, 2005 (EDT)
:Apollo takes his off and pins it on Hotdog in "You Can Go Home Again." Just from the dialogue in that scene, I'd say they Wings. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:50, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
::See, that's what I'd say too, but I think Gaeta and others have the same insignia...it doesn't seem to me that it should be so common.

Adama, Tigh, Fisk, and Cain have the "wings-on-top" insignia, possibly designating a command role. Gaeta's counterpart aboard Pegasus also wears the wings. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:23, 23 January 2006 (EST)

On the Wings issue, I would suggest that Lee's are Standard Viper Aiviator Wings(VAW? could we get away with that?), and William and Sauls Pilot wings are Senior Viper Aviator Wings(SVAW)--[[user:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]] 21 Febuary 2006.

==Jacket==
I removed the line "[[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s flight suit identifies that he is actually qualified to pilot both." A jacket, in military aviation, is a dossier that contains all the pilots qualifications, commendations, etc. Stinger was not referring to Apollo's flight suit but his record, which he would have recieved when Apollo was transferred under his command. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:51, 22 January 2006 (EST)

: Ahhh. Ha-ha! That makes much sense, then. I guess I can take off "scrutinize Lee's uniform for mention of a Raptor" of my list of things to do. Interesting. --[[User:Day|Day]] 08:43, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Dress Uniform RDM ==

I know this has not been discussed much, but as far as I can see, Military Dress falls into these topics

A) Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned.

B) Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training.

C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown.

D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat.

E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? --[[User:Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

: Here is what I can add

: A) These are known as Dress Greys and fullfill the same role as the Full Dress Blues in the USN. 

: B) These are Blue with a different cut than the Greys. Except for Hoshi, all "Junior Officers" (Major and Below) wear the Diamond with the downturned wings and Colonel and up wear the larger spread wings. These are like the USN Service Dress Blue in that they can be worn on watch and are still formal enough for some ceremonies (like in Pegasus). 

: C) Mainly seen on Marines and a few random bridge and hallway extras. The OD uniform seems to be the standard uniform for the fleet and is like the Working Khaki in the USN. These can be worn be officers and non-coms alike and seem to be the most formal uniform available for the non-coms. For the officers, it's like an undress uniform. 

: D) There are also yellow uniforms of this type. Jammer wears one. 

: E) When have we seen DCUs?, all there have been is Black BDUs and Urban MARPAT copies. 
: --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:50, 21 February 2006 (EST)

: I'm inclined to be in Talos's camp, especially on item E. Why are you creating an issue out of a non-issue? Even mentioning it is pure speculation, fabrication, and over-think at this point. If TPTB depict a desert scene, and roll out a new uniform for it, then you've/we've got our topic to pursue and document. If they ''never'' do a desert scene, then that's their perrogative. Either way, any pursuit of this topic (item E) is a complete waste of time at this juncture.

: We also have to keep in mind... this is a ship/fleet with limited resources, under durress, and a fractured sense of protocol and structure. Yes, they (the military) will try their utmost to keep to standards, but as even Admiral Adama concedes... he's not one for demanding protocol at all times. They (the crew) might have limited caches of uniforms, of pins, of medals, of patches, and are ''making do with what they have on hand'' (which isn't much, considering one ship (''Galactica'') was destined to be interred as a museum piece, and the other (''Pegasus'') was in the midst of a refit). Certain crewers (Hoshi, for example) ''might'' have different pins because they are from different previous postings, now pressed into service at that post because of need, and there's no point in such a petty detail of changing a pin. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)

I forgot about Jammer, thanks for that input, Talos, well brought up. Would this mean he'd have a different role on the hanger deck (Orange = Maintenance, Yellow =?) from Cally.
As for the desert Combat Dress(DCU), I may have got my wires crossed, but I can remember the security chief wearing a similar style in "Litmus". But you may very well be right on topic E).
Hmm, food for thought, but interesting non the less..-- [[user:Jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:Hadrian was wearing the khaki version of item C in both [[Act of Contrition]] and [[Litmus]]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:54, 21 February 2006 (EST)
::Also, on the same subject as Hawke, didn't Roslin have Adama's Admiral insignia made by a jeweler? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)
But on that note, did Admiral Adama give his son Lee his old Commander Pips?--[[jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:I like to imagine so, although it was probably for reasons of sentimental value instead of necessity--they had insignia for Fisk and Garner by some unknown means. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:16, 22 February 2006 (EST)
But why promote Lee? There are other Senior oficers that could do the job. Why the favoritism? Puzzling.......
But I wouldn't give the job to Saul Tigh, otherwise we'd be renaming the pegasus the "JIM BEAM" (HA HA!)--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:Please read Questions and Analysis on "[[The Captain's Hand]]" where this question was already asked, and possible answers given; my best-fit theory is that like on ''Star Trek'' and in the real US Navy, anyone who commands a ship is called "captain" even if they have a rank lower than "captain", right? Perhaps this is a continuation of this Navy terminology; Apollo is made "Commander" (their Captain equivalent) of Pegasus, therefore he is given the rank of "Commander"; why put him in charge at all? Well, Tigh never wanted his own command, and below that, there aren't many other high-ranking officers left.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:27, 22 February 2006 (EST)

True, but Kara Thrace is another possible "Candidate". A natural tactitian(like myself), and brilliant leader. A little rough around the edges, maybe more responsibility thrown upon her may mellow her.

:A) Kara is not the best of commanders, B) They've only got so many officers, and they need a Galactica-CAG, C) Apollo outranks her. 2 months ago she was a Lieutenant. Apollo is at least 3rd or 4th ranking on Galactica.

::What about "KAT"? as C.A.G?, It then frees up Kara to move up the command chain.

Question: Have the colonials setup a training camp to repalce losses?--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:.....The episode "[[Act of Contrition]]", the episode "[[Scar]]"....Jetstorm316, I mean this out of genuine confusion: how much of the New Series of Battlstar Galactica have you seen so far?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

But thats for PILOTS. What about officer training facilities, boot camps for marines, ect? Recruiting instead of enslaving is a must considering current fleet status. They did so in TOS, replacing officers is also crucial or the command structure will crumble from the ground up.

:And to answer your above question: (ahem)ALL OF IT TO PRESENT DATE, ALL ON VCD, DOWNLOADED BY MYSELF, TO WATCH AT MY OWN LEASURE! I can't spend all day analising every episode, I have othe responsibilities to tend to, like a paying job.

I Can't wait until Saturday when I get the latest episode "Download", just to annoy my partner.--[[user Jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

:: "[[Epiphanies]]", [[Asha Janik]]; using some civilians to do grunt work in understaffed areas like assembling the ammunition they got in boxes from Ragnar.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:52, 22 February 2006 (EST)

But have they recruited to re-enforce their dwindiling Military? Asha is still civilian aswell as Peter Liard, a civilian deck chief on Pegasus, even though he was pressganged. "Pegasus" can only do so much.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:I have to go check out my DVDs but it looked like Laird had CPO pins on his uniform. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:13, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:: which were most probably given as a field promotion, due to his technical expertise in aeronautics--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]

:::What I figured happened was that Cain needed a deck chief so she assigned him to that job since he was an aeronautical engineer and gave him a rank commensurate with his position. As Cain would say, "I m a flag officer in detached service during a time of war. Regulations give me broad authority in these matters." --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:29, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::::Possible, due to the fact she lost 700 men, maybe her original deck chief was one of those casualties, hence Liards field promotion.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:::::Exactly my point. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:41, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Back to the original discussion, Point C), if you look at Talos's images Khaki OD dress, this is taken form the pilot episode as Tigh walks away from the CIC. To help everyone out a little, this is time index 8 mins 2 seconds. If you look at the right arm of the non-com, you will see a black armband, with 2 letters in yellow. If I can get a better/clearer shot of this, I would wager the armband reads "MP". Now tell me I don't know my millitary structures! Could anyone please help varify this (Pictorial)fact?
--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:The only problem is that's not khaki, thats OD. Khaki (color) is what Hadrian wears. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:19, 22 February 2006 (EST)
::It looks like any confusion is caused by me comparing the OD uniform to the Navy Service Khakis, an undress, working suitable uniform. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:22, 22 February 2006 (EST)
Talos, do you concure that the OD dress with armbard, has lettering?.--[[user:jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:It looks like the lettering on the OD armband says "SECURITY" or "SEC". It's clearer in the DVD and I'll see if I can get a clearer pic. That was just a picture of oppourtunity while I was looking for Blue duty pictures. There aren't that many of the OD with armband walking around, compared to ODs without like Dualla. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:08, 22 February 2006 (EST)

==Counterpoints==

Okay....I do not want this to get "ugly", however there are a *LOT* of problems with Jetstorm316's recent posting here in Talk; For starters, at first glance it doesn't look like he even bothered to read the write up '''already in the article''', but instead posted up his own observations. I'm not trying to insult, cast blame, whatever. I wash my hands of this. But I need to make the following counterpoints:

"A) ''Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned. ''"

:No. As you can see in the write up I did weeks ago for "Uniform" on the front page, a dress uniform is not "a bridge uniform" with some alterations: It is gray, lacks a pocket or shoulder patches, as well as the sash. Senior officers' uniforms also feature a dark gray bar around the neck, and epaulettes. No, it is not called "Parade Dress" (well, with capitals like an official name like that), they call them "Dress Grays", i.e. dress uniform. A point I forgot to make was that the Dress Uniform is actuall an overcoat of sorts; the Duty Uniform (below) just tucks into the belt.

"B)'' Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training. ''"

:A key point you didn't notice is that this is not a "Bridge Officer" uniform; it is a uniform for all Colonial Fleet officers: Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer have been seen wearing them, as noted in that list there which denotes the differences in this uniform for different ranks. LSO Kelly also wears one. And as said above, it's really not like the dress uniform. As for the differences in those little Wing badges they have, I would greatly appreciate if someone could find the little differences between them; however it is definately not "pending Viper Pilot Training", as I do believe that even Raptor pilots or Gaeta have them.

"''C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown. ''"

:No, this is also blatantly wrong. This is not a uniform for "Colonial Non-Coms". Chief Tyrol is the highest-ranking Colonial Fleet Non-Com on the ship, yet as you can see clearly in this Galacticastation pic: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap028.htm he does not wear a khaki uniform. He wears the green duty uniform, which other Colonial Fleet personel, such as Cally: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap014.htm who is an enlisted crewman, also wears. So you see, '''this is not a "universal standard, mainly non-com uniform"'''. No, a black armband is not worn by just "the military police"; all people wearing this that we have seen had the black armband. Either way, we've pretty much confirmed that it is the Colonial Marine Corps Non-Com uniform, but is not used by the Colonial Fleet. (Still, we have not seen it featured much, and the black armband stuff needs more research/attention in future episodes.

"''D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat. ''"

:Correct; this is in the article, yeah no problem there; there are actually orange and yellow ones (notably Jammer), as has been stated above; on real world ships, color denotes task, but as I stated in the article, "orange" isn't a color used by the US Navy's color-coding system.

"''E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? ''"
:....did you just count the Khaki uniform twice in your list? No, we have never seen a "desert combat" uniform in any episode.

I am sorry, and I have tried to keep this as close to the facts as possible, however this really needed correction. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:51, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:Well, we do agree on something after all, Point D).

As I have stated on Point E), I conceeded it wasn't "Desert" combats, but "Urban" style. Talos quite rightly pointed that mistake out, and I have made sufficiant note of this fact, to correct at a later date in my own files. Once again, point conceeded, no problems here.

Point C) is a tricky one, but I have not seen an episode other than "Litmus"where it was used. Yes, I AGREE more research is needed on this point, maybe pool resourses to define is proper use (I'm offering an "Olive Branch" here, not many get handed out from me), but once again, no problems.

A and B are too close together to seperate, but both uniforms do have similarities with each other.

I must admit, you do have some good points, but some do need redefining.--[[user:jetstorm316|Jetstorm316]]

I uploaded some pics as examples.

A)[[Image:Greys Mini.JPG|thumb|A) Dress Greys ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
B and D) [[Image:Bluesjumpsuit Mini.JPG|thumb|B and D)Blue duty uniform and jumpsuit ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
C) There are some people wearing the khaki without the armband and I'll get a better pic of both the OD and khaki when I get home from classes in about 4 hours. Here's a bad pic of the OD one with a security armband.
[[Image:ODarmband Mini.JPG|thumb|C) OD Uniform with security armband ([[Mini-Series]])]]
 
E) [[Image:Urban FotP.JPG|thumb|E) Urban camoflage uniform ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])]]
--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:01, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Good examples, Talos. Well deserving of recognition. Why Don't you add them into the document as additional
supplement.--[[user:Jetstorm316|jetstorm316]]
:I was planning too. I just wanted to show them here first. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

== New Uniform Pics ==
Sweet. Thanks, Talos! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:43, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:My pleasure. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:55, 22 February 2006 (EST)
:: i've been cutting off the concrete suits. maybe they can be introduced to the article that way:
:::*Commander - red line on outer edge, gold line on inner edge - [[:Image:Commander_uni.jpg|Example]]
::here are the pics: [[Image:Colonel_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:Admiral_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:JuniorOff_uni.jpg|70px]][[Image:Commander_uni.jpg|70px]]

::This ones are for the wings: [[Image:Senior_wings.jpg|150px]][[Image:Wings.jpg|150px]] --dancing_salad 21:34, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Requested Images

2006-02-22T00:57:51Z

Dancing salad: /* Kara vs the raider */

Battlestar Wiki talk:Requested Images

2006-02-22T00:41:21Z

Dancing salad: /* Kara vs the raider */

==Bit of a Restructure?==

I was thinking... Should we move the requested Character images here, rather than over at [[Battlestar Wiki:Character]]? I initially thought not, but I'm second-guessing myself, now. It seems like this is a better place for it. We can cross-link, of course, but I'm beginning to think it should be the opposite of what's now true (which I implemented). Anyway... Thoughts? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==Methods to the Madness==

A [[User talk:Day#VLC Question|couple]] of [[User talk:DrBat#Question for you...|times]] image-capture method discussions have cropped up. I thought this would be a wonderful, centrally located place to bring this up again. I use VLC (Video Lan Client) mostly because it has a built-in screen-cap function that isn't foiled by a DVD's copy-protection or whatever it is that keep the Windows "Print Screen" button from working right (I can explain that better if anyone wants details). However, VLC has the draw-back of having pretty bad timing functions (the minimum skip is, I think, 10 seconds and the pause is a bit delayed, so it's hard to get it to stop right when you want it to). I'd be interested in what other users who post screen shots use.

Additionally, I'd be interested in what media people capture from. However, this might be a stickey topic. Before an episode is available on DVD, the easiest (as far as I know) way to acquire a digital copy of it is via illegal download. If this is something that should ''not'' be discussed on the Wiki (so that there is no way at all to construe the facts as Joe or the Wiki condoning such things), then someone chime in and say so soon, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:As far as digital copies, aren't the episode available for $1.99 from the iEmpire (iTunes)? I've not played with that, so I can't testify about its quality. Also, VLC does have a 3 second skip (the default shortcut is the shift button, with arrow key to indicate forward or backward). There are a few TOS episodes that I've only seen in 3 second intervals as I was hunting screenshots. As for the Windows Print Screen failing... it isn't always sophisticated DRM that's the problem. [http://labnol.blogspot.com/2005/11/capture-still-images-from-windows.html This article] talks about some possible fixes that will allow print screen to work. Basically it has to do with hardware acceleration and where in memory Windows grabs to get screenshots.

:I still haven't found a good alternative to VLC. Those solutions that had frame by frame capability capture to the clipboard, and I much prefer dumping the screenshot to a file like VLC does it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:06, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:While we don't have it written down anywhere, we don't condone unpaid downloading of episodes. (Primarily because it is legally dubious. Technically, you could download an episode from the internet as so long as you already recorded it on VHS, for instance.) Realistically speaking, many fans have gotten episodes via this route, particularly when the series first aired in the U.K. on Sky One.
:Anyway, for screen captures, I used Xine on Linux and DVDCapture on my Powerbook G4. (DVD Capture integrates into the default DVD player, so its only a capture tool and not a combo player w/capture tool.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:00, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:Quick technical note; the Windows print-screen button doesn't work not because of copy-protection, but rather because movie players use a video overlay if your video card supports it. They do this for performance reasons as most video cards support YUV conversation and smooth hardware scaling, making playback less taxing on the CPU. Since the video is being overlaid by the card right before it gets sent to the monitor, it's not in the framebuffer (just a blue or black square) and so that's what the print screen button grabs. If you want to use a different media player and print screen, what may work is going to the properties of your video card and turning the hardware acceleration all the way down. --[[User:Zeratul|Zeratul]] 15:41, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::In Windows, at least (I'm a Mac guy, primarily), you ''can'' use ALT-PrintScreen for screen captures from episodes downloaded from iTunes, since the playback doesn't involve the DVD playback layer (both Mac OS and Windows attempt to prevent you from screencaps in this manner). You have to somehow move the image (stored in the cut-paste clipboard) to an actual image file, but it works (see the new article, [[Stallion]]). I had to paste the copy into Microsoft Word and then save it as a Web page, which created the pictures as JPEGs that I could rename and use here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:56, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::: My Mac was much easier to deal with regarding screen captures. However, the desk it is on sucks to sit at, and The GIMP doesn't run as smoothly on that one, so... There's that. I'd also love to know if someone knows how to get a higher rez grabs from a DVD. THey always end up being, like, 820px wide or something. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:28, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==Six's Spine==
Six's glowey-spine bit from miniseries now uploaded as [[:Image:6spine-ms.jpg|6spine-ms.jpg]].

Do with it what you will

[[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 13:59, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Thrace's Surgical Debut==

Good luck on this one. I of course could be wrong, but from what I can tell, that impression the viewer gets of Starbuck hacking the Raider's brains out is a product of the magic of modern cinematography and editing. The one shot I did find shows nothing but two gloved hands (one holding a blurred blade) hovering above an indistinct pink and red blob.
As far as the tighter headshots of the known Humano-Cylons, I could... well.. if ya want I can take what we've got into Photoshop, do my voodoo, and re-upload. Is that what you really want? --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:Nah, I'll take care of it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:39, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Nympho==
I just uploaded a photo of Hot Dog reading Nympho. It's under Hot_Dog_reading_Nympho.jpg .--Ltcrashdown 23:38, 5 February 2006 (EST)

== Kara vs the raider ==

The pic to the [[Cylon Model]] article, for the cylon spacecraft kara's cutting through is [[:Image:SCinside.jpg|SCinside.jpg]]. I added the thumb to the article, hope you dont mind.
best wishes. dancing_salad 19:41, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Requested Images

2006-02-22T00:38:42Z

Dancing salad: /* Kara vs the raider */

==Bit of a Restructure?==

I was thinking... Should we move the requested Character images here, rather than over at [[Battlestar Wiki:Character]]? I initially thought not, but I'm second-guessing myself, now. It seems like this is a better place for it. We can cross-link, of course, but I'm beginning to think it should be the opposite of what's now true (which I implemented). Anyway... Thoughts? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==Methods to the Madness==

A [[User talk:Day#VLC Question|couple]] of [[User talk:DrBat#Question for you...|times]] image-capture method discussions have cropped up. I thought this would be a wonderful, centrally located place to bring this up again. I use VLC (Video Lan Client) mostly because it has a built-in screen-cap function that isn't foiled by a DVD's copy-protection or whatever it is that keep the Windows "Print Screen" button from working right (I can explain that better if anyone wants details). However, VLC has the draw-back of having pretty bad timing functions (the minimum skip is, I think, 10 seconds and the pause is a bit delayed, so it's hard to get it to stop right when you want it to). I'd be interested in what other users who post screen shots use.

Additionally, I'd be interested in what media people capture from. However, this might be a stickey topic. Before an episode is available on DVD, the easiest (as far as I know) way to acquire a digital copy of it is via illegal download. If this is something that should ''not'' be discussed on the Wiki (so that there is no way at all to construe the facts as Joe or the Wiki condoning such things), then someone chime in and say so soon, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:As far as digital copies, aren't the episode available for $1.99 from the iEmpire (iTunes)? I've not played with that, so I can't testify about its quality. Also, VLC does have a 3 second skip (the default shortcut is the shift button, with arrow key to indicate forward or backward). There are a few TOS episodes that I've only seen in 3 second intervals as I was hunting screenshots. As for the Windows Print Screen failing... it isn't always sophisticated DRM that's the problem. [http://labnol.blogspot.com/2005/11/capture-still-images-from-windows.html This article] talks about some possible fixes that will allow print screen to work. Basically it has to do with hardware acceleration and where in memory Windows grabs to get screenshots.

:I still haven't found a good alternative to VLC. Those solutions that had frame by frame capability capture to the clipboard, and I much prefer dumping the screenshot to a file like VLC does it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:06, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:While we don't have it written down anywhere, we don't condone unpaid downloading of episodes. (Primarily because it is legally dubious. Technically, you could download an episode from the internet as so long as you already recorded it on VHS, for instance.) Realistically speaking, many fans have gotten episodes via this route, particularly when the series first aired in the U.K. on Sky One.
:Anyway, for screen captures, I used Xine on Linux and DVDCapture on my Powerbook G4. (DVD Capture integrates into the default DVD player, so its only a capture tool and not a combo player w/capture tool.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:00, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:Quick technical note; the Windows print-screen button doesn't work not because of copy-protection, but rather because movie players use a video overlay if your video card supports it. They do this for performance reasons as most video cards support YUV conversation and smooth hardware scaling, making playback less taxing on the CPU. Since the video is being overlaid by the card right before it gets sent to the monitor, it's not in the framebuffer (just a blue or black square) and so that's what the print screen button grabs. If you want to use a different media player and print screen, what may work is going to the properties of your video card and turning the hardware acceleration all the way down. --[[User:Zeratul|Zeratul]] 15:41, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::In Windows, at least (I'm a Mac guy, primarily), you ''can'' use ALT-PrintScreen for screen captures from episodes downloaded from iTunes, since the playback doesn't involve the DVD playback layer (both Mac OS and Windows attempt to prevent you from screencaps in this manner). You have to somehow move the image (stored in the cut-paste clipboard) to an actual image file, but it works (see the new article, [[Stallion]]). I had to paste the copy into Microsoft Word and then save it as a Web page, which created the pictures as JPEGs that I could rename and use here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:56, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::: My Mac was much easier to deal with regarding screen captures. However, the desk it is on sucks to sit at, and The GIMP doesn't run as smoothly on that one, so... There's that. I'd also love to know if someone knows how to get a higher rez grabs from a DVD. THey always end up being, like, 820px wide or something. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:28, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==Six's Spine==
Six's glowey-spine bit from miniseries now uploaded as [[:Image:6spine-ms.jpg|6spine-ms.jpg]].

Do with it what you will

[[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 13:59, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Thrace's Surgical Debut==

Good luck on this one. I of course could be wrong, but from what I can tell, that impression the viewer gets of Starbuck hacking the Raider's brains out is a product of the magic of modern cinematography and editing. The one shot I did find shows nothing but two gloved hands (one holding a blurred blade) hovering above an indistinct pink and red blob.
As far as the tighter headshots of the known Humano-Cylons, I could... well.. if ya want I can take what we've got into Photoshop, do my voodoo, and re-upload. Is that what you really want? --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:Nah, I'll take care of it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:39, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Nympho==
I just uploaded a photo of Hot Dog reading Nympho. It's under Hot_Dog_reading_Nympho.jpg .--Ltcrashdown 23:38, 5 February 2006 (EST)

== Kara vs the raider ==

The pic to the [[Cylon Model]] article, for the cylon spacecraft kara's cutting through is [[:Image:SCinside.jpg|SCinside.jpg]]. I added the thumb to the article, hope you dont mind.
best wishes.

Battlestar Wiki talk:Requested Images

2006-02-22T00:33:42Z

Dancing salad: Kara vs the raider

==Bit of a Restructure?==

I was thinking... Should we move the requested Character images here, rather than over at [[Battlestar Wiki:Character]]? I initially thought not, but I'm second-guessing myself, now. It seems like this is a better place for it. We can cross-link, of course, but I'm beginning to think it should be the opposite of what's now true (which I implemented). Anyway... Thoughts? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==Methods to the Madness==

A [[User talk:Day#VLC Question|couple]] of [[User talk:DrBat#Question for you...|times]] image-capture method discussions have cropped up. I thought this would be a wonderful, centrally located place to bring this up again. I use VLC (Video Lan Client) mostly because it has a built-in screen-cap function that isn't foiled by a DVD's copy-protection or whatever it is that keep the Windows "Print Screen" button from working right (I can explain that better if anyone wants details). However, VLC has the draw-back of having pretty bad timing functions (the minimum skip is, I think, 10 seconds and the pause is a bit delayed, so it's hard to get it to stop right when you want it to). I'd be interested in what other users who post screen shots use.

Additionally, I'd be interested in what media people capture from. However, this might be a stickey topic. Before an episode is available on DVD, the easiest (as far as I know) way to acquire a digital copy of it is via illegal download. If this is something that should ''not'' be discussed on the Wiki (so that there is no way at all to construe the facts as Joe or the Wiki condoning such things), then someone chime in and say so soon, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:As far as digital copies, aren't the episode available for $1.99 from the iEmpire (iTunes)? I've not played with that, so I can't testify about its quality. Also, VLC does have a 3 second skip (the default shortcut is the shift button, with arrow key to indicate forward or backward). There are a few TOS episodes that I've only seen in 3 second intervals as I was hunting screenshots. As for the Windows Print Screen failing... it isn't always sophisticated DRM that's the problem. [http://labnol.blogspot.com/2005/11/capture-still-images-from-windows.html This article] talks about some possible fixes that will allow print screen to work. Basically it has to do with hardware acceleration and where in memory Windows grabs to get screenshots.

:I still haven't found a good alternative to VLC. Those solutions that had frame by frame capability capture to the clipboard, and I much prefer dumping the screenshot to a file like VLC does it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:06, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:While we don't have it written down anywhere, we don't condone unpaid downloading of episodes. (Primarily because it is legally dubious. Technically, you could download an episode from the internet as so long as you already recorded it on VHS, for instance.) Realistically speaking, many fans have gotten episodes via this route, particularly when the series first aired in the U.K. on Sky One.
:Anyway, for screen captures, I used Xine on Linux and DVDCapture on my Powerbook G4. (DVD Capture integrates into the default DVD player, so its only a capture tool and not a combo player w/capture tool.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:00, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:Quick technical note; the Windows print-screen button doesn't work not because of copy-protection, but rather because movie players use a video overlay if your video card supports it. They do this for performance reasons as most video cards support YUV conversation and smooth hardware scaling, making playback less taxing on the CPU. Since the video is being overlaid by the card right before it gets sent to the monitor, it's not in the framebuffer (just a blue or black square) and so that's what the print screen button grabs. If you want to use a different media player and print screen, what may work is going to the properties of your video card and turning the hardware acceleration all the way down. --[[User:Zeratul|Zeratul]] 15:41, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::In Windows, at least (I'm a Mac guy, primarily), you ''can'' use ALT-PrintScreen for screen captures from episodes downloaded from iTunes, since the playback doesn't involve the DVD playback layer (both Mac OS and Windows attempt to prevent you from screencaps in this manner). You have to somehow move the image (stored in the cut-paste clipboard) to an actual image file, but it works (see the new article, [[Stallion]]). I had to paste the copy into Microsoft Word and then save it as a Web page, which created the pictures as JPEGs that I could rename and use here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:56, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::: My Mac was much easier to deal with regarding screen captures. However, the desk it is on sucks to sit at, and The GIMP doesn't run as smoothly on that one, so... There's that. I'd also love to know if someone knows how to get a higher rez grabs from a DVD. THey always end up being, like, 820px wide or something. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:28, 8 February 2006 (EST)

==Six's Spine==
Six's glowey-spine bit from miniseries now uploaded as [[:Image:6spine-ms.jpg|6spine-ms.jpg]].

Do with it what you will

[[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 13:59, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Thrace's Surgical Debut==

Good luck on this one. I of course could be wrong, but from what I can tell, that impression the viewer gets of Starbuck hacking the Raider's brains out is a product of the magic of modern cinematography and editing. The one shot I did find shows nothing but two gloved hands (one holding a blurred blade) hovering above an indistinct pink and red blob.
As far as the tighter headshots of the known Humano-Cylons, I could... well.. if ya want I can take what we've got into Photoshop, do my voodoo, and re-upload. Is that what you really want? --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:Nah, I'll take care of it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:39, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Nympho==
I just uploaded a photo of Hot Dog reading Nympho. It's under Hot_Dog_reading_Nympho.jpg .--Ltcrashdown 23:38, 5 February 2006 (EST)

== Kara vs the raider ==

The pic to the [[Cylon Model]] article, for the cylon spacecraft kara's cutting through is [[SCinside.jpg]]. I added the thumb to the article, hope you dont mind.
best wishes.

Cylon Models

2006-02-22T00:12:40Z

Dancing salad: /* Cylon Spacecraft */

{{Cylons Series}}
==Centurion Model 0005==
[[Image:Centurion_armor_old.jpg|thumb|Cylon Centurion (Armor) on display. ([[Miniseries]])]]
Model Name: Cylon Centurion
:''Main article: [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]''
The Centurion Model 0005, glimpsed briefly in two scenes of the [[Miniseries]], was apparently the latest Cylon model to have been extensively documented by Colonial authorities after the [[Cylon War]]. It is a primitive model, resembling a short, clumsy humanoid with a single red eye - or as some of the Colonials contemptuously referred to them, "chrome [[toaster]]s". According to [[Saul Tigh]] in a deleted [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/202/deleted1.html scene] from the episode "[[Resistance]]", they had a distinctive "stink" of machine oil.

These models were apparently the instigators of the Cylon Rebellion, or their immediate descendants. They fought in all the major engagements of the Cylon War, including the boardings of ''[[Brenik]]'' and ''[[Galactica]]''. A painting by [[Monclair]] depicts a massive melee between early-model Cylons and joint Aerelon-Caprican ground forces.

They were apparently far from emotionless — in the above-mentioned scene, Tigh recollects their vicious tactics in hand-to-hand combat: "The first one was Duncan Raverty. I found him in the corridor. His guts were strewn around on the floor. Y'know, at first I couldn't figure out why the Cylons would bother doing something like that [...] You had to look into their red eye-slit. They hated us. They hated us so much it wasn't enough just to kill us."

:''This model was included in the miniseries primarily as an homage to the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. Within the context of the Re-imagined Series, the Model 0005 is over 40 years old, and was the last assumed appearance of the Cylons after the war. While remarks by [[Number Six]] in the miniseries state that "those [walking chrome toaster] models are still around. They have their uses," it is most likely that she is referring to the modern Centurions, which seem to have replaced them entirely.''

==Modern Centurion==
[[Image:Cylon Centurion New 002.jpg|thumb|right|The deadly Cylon Centurion, upgraded from its predacessors.]]
:''Main article: [[Cylon Centurion]]''
The current mainstay of Cylon ground forces, the modern Centurion is a taller, swifter and more agile unit than the Model 0005. Its "fingers" serve as edged weapons in close-quarters combat, and can retract to make way for projectile weapons built into its forearms.

There are apparently two armor configurations - the Centurions encountered by Lt. [[Karl Agathon]] on occupied [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] were susceptible to normal small-arms fire, while the boarding party dispatched to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in the episode "[[Valley of Darkness]]" could only be impeded by explosive rounds.

Although the earlier centurion models presumably took a leadership role in their war against the colonials, modern centurions are completely mute and subservient to the human models. According to an interview with Ron Moore, they are not sentient and unlike the Cylon agents, their minds are not transferred to new bodies upon death.

==Cylon Spacecraft==
[[image:SCinside.jpg|thumb|right|[[Kara Thrace]] is cutting the brain of the [[Cylon Raider]] in order to get in. ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]")]]
:''Main article: [[Cylon Spacecraft]]''
The current model Cylon Raider is an unpiloted, autonomous craft ([[Miniseries]]), apparently capable of operating at fair distance from any command vessel ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]], [[Final Cut]]). Capt. [[Jackson Spencer]], encountering the newer model Cylon Raider for the first time, expresses shock that "nobody's flying these things". Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] later discovers that the Raider she had [[Skirmish over the Red Moon|shot down over the Red Moon]] was, after a fashion, "alive". She removes most of its organic parts before returning with it to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. There, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]], a Cylon sleeper agent, guesses that the Raider is a Cylon in its own right, although "More of an animal, maybe, than the human models... like a pet" ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]).

The current model [[Cylon Basestar]] also makes extensive use of organic parts ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), although it is unclear whether or not is can function autonomously.

:''In both these cases, the distinction between a "Cylon" and their own semi-sentient technology becomes increasingly blurred — interestingly, the same problem that lead to the [[Cylon War]] in the first place.''

== Human Models ==
:''Main article: [[Cylon agent]]''
At some point at least two years prior to the [[miniseries]], Cylon forces in exile on their homeworld were able to perfect the creation of organic models, almost completely indistinguishable from human beings. These were used to quietly and effectively infiltrate the Colonial defense forces, with agents such as [[Number Six#Natasi|Natasi]] gaining access to secret military technology, and sleeper agents such as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] being planted within the [[Colonial Fleet]] itself.

Cylon agents can be programmed to believe they are human, and several have been planted within colonial society with false memories and forged backgrounds. Unplanned discovery of their true nature can be extremely disturbing for these units, and their behavior is not always predictable.

Cylon agents are visually indistinguishable from humans. Only slight chemical differences reveal human from Cylon agent. Humanoid Cylons apparently differ from humans in three principal ways:

===Reproductive Difficulties=== [[Image:Sharonspine.jpg|thumb|right|Sharon Valerii conceives a child with [[Karl Agathon]] ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]).]]
With a single exception, no human-model Cylon has been able to conceive a child ([[The Farm]]). It is impossible for two Cylons to reproduce with each other, and as result the Cylons began cross-breeding experiments with humans (who can reproduce easily), which so far has only resulted in the pregnancy of [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|the Caprica-copy of Sharon Valerii]]. Cylon beliefs attribute this to the apparent inability of Cylons to feel love, which they believe to be a crucial element of the process.

===Bioluminescence===
[[Image:6spine-ms.jpg|thumb|left|[[Number Six]]'s spine glows during intercourse]]On two occasions, the vertebrae of human-model Cylons have been seen to emit a red glow visible through the skin during sexual intercourse ([[Miniseries]], "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"). Their bodies' ability to emit or respond to light appears linked to their ability to interface with computer systems via fiber-optic connections ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Silica Pathways===
Cylon brains are imbued with a vague technology called [[Silica Pathways|silica pathways]]. This legacy technology existed in the original Centurion Model 0005, but some of this technology remains in the human models, although the technology appears to have been integrated at the molecular level since the brains of Cylon agents and humans are visually identical. Silica pathways are possibly key in the maintenance or transfer of thoughts, memories and consciousness of a Cylon to be downloaded and transferred into a new body when the agent dies. Silica pathways in Cylon agents, as in Centurions, remain susceptible to certain forms of radiation, as found in the upper atmosphere of the planet [[Ragnar]] and the [[Wikipedia:Plutonium|Plutonium]] used as the active element of Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]'s [[Cylon Detector]]. It normally takes several hours of prolonged exposure for this radiation to have a visible effect ([[Miniseries]], "[[Bastille Day]]").

===Known Models===

In the miniseries, somewhat ambiguous comments by [[Number Six]] and a note left for [[William Adama]] (presumably by [[Gaius Baltar]]) indicated that there were only twelve humanoid models at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. These were clarified by [[Ronald D. Moore]] in an [http://www.thefandom.com/Article50.phtml interview] on "The Chase Show", hosted on the SF webcast news site [http://www.thefandom.com/TheFandom.com]. Of the twelve human models, six have been revealed as of the episode "[[Final Cut]]".

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this is a more friendly version than the previous one. i'ts still a bir crappy cause it is a motion secuence, but its htdv and fairly good. dancing_salad 18:43, 21 February 2006 (EST)

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Dancing salad:

this is a more friendly version than the previous one. i'ts still a bir crappy cause it is a motion secuence, but its htdv and fairly good.

User talk:Steelviper

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Welcome to the BSG Wiki, Steelviper! Be sure to fill in your User page sometime to introduce yourself! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:26, 26 October 2005 (EDT)
:User page created (albeit quite spartan). Thanks for the encouragement.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:52, 27 October 2005 (EDT)

== Rave Reviews! ==

Hey. [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Characters&curid=3315&diff=18646&oldid=17786 Nice work]. Probably we should rework that section, now, to simply be a note to leave the Unknown Delegate alone. However, it's 4:33am here and I don't feel like doing it just now. Anyway, welcome and glad to have you. --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:33, 3 December 2005 (EST)

== King of the TOS Pages! ==

Hey, Steel. I'm sure many of us are noticing you taking point in getting the TOS pages filled in and fortified. It's much appreciated. Someday, when I'm drunk, I'll buy my TOS DVDs and join in. (I'll need some crystal meth to go to get myself to watch Galactica 1980, but you gotta do what you gotta do.) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:08, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I agreed completely with your observation that our TOS deficiencies are pretty embarrassing. Actually, much of the progress stems from working the [[Special:Wantedpages]] as suggested by the "Original Series Article Development Project." That was the first I had heard of that page, and I love it! A lot of the bigger offenders were topics where there was plenty of information available, it was just spread out across the wiki. Hopefully it won't be too long before the front page of the "wanted" pages are all user pages. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:29, 14 December 2005 (EST)

==Screenshots==

First off, although I am not personally a fan of TOS, I want to commend you for your contributions to those pages here. I think our site has benifited immensely during the relatively short time you've been active here.

Secondly, I note that there is a quite a dearth of good illustrative screen captures from TOS episodes. To that end, I would like to offer to donate a copy of the TOS DVD box set to you via Amazon.com or somesuch. Let me know if this would be useful. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:30, 22 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I appreciate the thought. "[[Imperious Leader|Santa Claus]]" already beat you to the punch, though. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:05, 28 December 2005 (EST) (Updated)

== Administrator Nomination ==

Seeing how you've just as obsessed with this place as many of us are, [[Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_adminship/Steelviper|I've nominated you as an administator.]] --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 27 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I'll get right on that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:13, 27 December 2005 (EST)

== Congrats! ==

You are now an admin! If you have any questions, feel free to bring them to me or any of your fellow admins. So say we all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Welcome to the clubhouse. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:37, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Since you're the new kid, you have to do the mopping. Congrats! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:44, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::Thanks guys! I'll try not to make too big of a mess. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:01, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::: Yes. Congrats. Don't let my "neutral" vote imply that I'll point a gun at your head when you try to depose the President of the Colonies or anything. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 10:34, 4 January 2006 (EST)

==Galactica 1980==

Hi Steelviper. Send me an email at weller43@cox.net so I can confirm for you that the site you mentioned is mine. - Mark Weller [[User:Mokwella|Mokwella]] 23:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Since Joe, as host, is ultimately the liable party, it would probably be best to go directly to him. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:58, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::I didn't mean to stir anything up when I linked to your site. I just stumbled across it, as there isn't that much that comes up on a Google search for "Galactica 1980 dvd". Hopefully after you've emailed Joe everything will be clear. Sorry for any inconvenience. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:01, 4 January 2006 (EST)

== FLeet ==

Thanks for spotting these typos. It's an unusually common one with me. I'm getting better about catching them, but some still slip through. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:01, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome! Fortunately the consistency is what got them on my radar (they ended up on the "Wanted Page", which I tend to patrol). Thanks for doing all those, by the way! I was getting tired of linking to "The Fleet#Original Series|the fleet". The Fleet (TOS) is much more concise. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:15, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:: Oh, I didn't make [[The Fleet (TOS)]]. Someone else split up The Fleet into the RDM and TOS name-spaces. I'm just currently purging Fleet since nearly all of those should be double-redirects. I'm not done, either, but I'm getting there. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:19, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::I think Peter Farago and Spencerian were primarily responsible for making the change. I just saw you were doing a lot of Fleet redirect work.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:22, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Heh. I forgot the links would be bad. Anyway... yes. --[[User:Day|Day]] 19:09, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Gah! I was about to start finishing this thing off but I kept finding them already fixed. I hit the refresh and they were GONE! ''*GASP*''! Thanks, man. I can cross that one off, then. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:17, 18 January 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome. I saw it was almost done, and got in groove. Now I just need to figure out how to use scripts to do that (as Spencerian suggested on his talk page). Unfortunately a lot of times it takes a human eye to figure out which way a particular link needs to go (if I had just thrown a script at it I would have gotten the Eastern Alliance one wrong, unless it somehow could check the categories of the page). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:20, 18 January 2006 (EST)

:: Yeah. I was thinking about that. I don't think a script could be smart enough unless you took forever to write it, and then you're not being any more time efficient. I think hand-fixing things is the only way to do it, really. Now, the next project will be to go find all the links that go to "Last, First"-style character pages and fix those... A nit-pickers work is never done.--[[User:Day|Day]] 17:23, 18 January 2006 (EST)

== Humano-Cylon Naming Question ==

SV, when you have an opportunity, provide your two cents to the debate to "retire" the Humano-Cylon term on its talk page. I'm generally against it as it's rather pervasive and works fine for here. Peter is for the change, but the logic surprises me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:54, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:Que? Oh. Well, I put in my two cubits (though I'm not sure how much that's worth with the conversion rates, inflation, etc.). Lots of interesting issues at hand. Hopefully more people will weigh in (unlike on the translation stuff). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:41, 24 January 2006 (EST)

== Glad to be of service ==

It's going to take me a week or two of doing this, and my Spanish will come back...in the mean time, bear with me and don't hesitate to correct anything if you see something blatantly wrong.

Glad to be of service, I assume this is mostly your project, I applaud the effort, and I'm glad to help. --[[User:Leoben Conoy|Leoben Conoy]]

:I never really intended it to be my project... I just mostly tried to start forging the translating pattern in the hopes that other people might join in. I am extremely pleased that people have! (Especially having two languages going at once!) I still don't have the whole picture of how everything will go (does Water/es:Water ever turn into Agua?), but I'm sure we'll figure things out. Joe might have a better concept of how the whole operation will work. I'll try to read over the Spanish work, but I expect that even your "blatantly wrong" will make more sense in Spanish than what I was doing. Also, if you want to sign your comments with your name/timestamp (all the cool kids are doing it), just use four "~"'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (though we often prefix that with a couple of dashes, for style. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:08, 2 February 2006 (EST)

==Nuclear warhead==
I just added how he got it because it was mentioned later down the article, when he gives it to Gina. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 08:57, 14 February 2006 (EST)
:Right on! I left in the part where she gets him to request the nuclear warhead. I'm just not sure it has been detailed that he actually used the warhead as part of the detector. It seems like he just requested it to placate Six. The details of the working Cylon detector remain (I think intentionally) a little fuzzy. If they explicitly mention that he actually uses the warhead in the detector, then go ahead and add it back in. It just just seems that he was flexing his scientific muscle, though.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:02, 14 February 2006 (EST)

==Thanks for the Welcome==

Hi, I don't know how much use I can be around the rest of the site (I'm not very tehnical-minded) but I love transcribing things (I must be mad) and so I'm happy to do as many of them as I can for you. Don't hesitiate to correct me if I mess something up too, like I said, I'm not brilliant with computers. Anyway thanks for saying hi. --[[User:Misco|Misco]] 15:40, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome! Usually that job falls to [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]. (In fact his initial greeting is still at the top of this page, as I don't get enough traffic to require archiving.) I jumped at the opportunity to welcome a new transcriber, though! I've tried doing it myself (though I managed to lose my work), but find that my OCD-like compulsion to get EVERY SINGLE sound (including the filler um's, ah's, sort of's) slows me WAY down. It amazes me when I get a chance to read transcriptions of people like yourself and [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] that have excellent filters that clear out all that junk leaving only the good stuff. Feel free to contribute in whatever ways you are comfortable! As with any wiki, the more the merrier. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:47, 14 February 2006 (EST)

== Printed Media Copyrights ==

Did you catch who uploaded those Official Companion pictures? We need to make a note on their user page immediately. This is something we would get sued for, fast since this is a publication and not a broadcast. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:06, 16 February 2006 (EST)
:I believe it was [[User:Crashoveride]]. If you wouldn't mind making the note, you seem to have a better grasp at the applicable laws. When I spotted them, they felt a bit wrong, but I wasn't confident enought to outright delete them. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:10, 16 February 2006 (EST)

==Wanted List==
Cool! (sorry about the late response) :) --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:Mas vale tarde que nunca. (Better late than never.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:04, 16 February 2006 (EST)

== i'm really sorry... ==

... but i didnt know how to use a wiki.
well, i use to visit wikipedia for contents, but as i not expert on any camp, i haven't edited a wiki ever.
i didn't know who to contact o how to contact (no private msg's here?)
well, i just wanted to help with the spanish translation. i'm natural spanish speaker (i'm from spain) i use to watch galactica in originally soundtracked (i dl them for inet two days after is aired, it is legal in spain)
i'll be thankedif anyone helps me. just want to visit some galactica website on translate em to spanish.
have a nice day. --Dancing salad
:I left you a response on [[User talk:Dancing salad|your user talk page]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:23, 19 February 2006 (EST)
thanks, i'm glad u helped me - and so fastly!
i'll be doing my best on it. dancing_salad 15:30, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== RE: Colonial arm patches ==

Thank you for your recap, well deocumented, and by the looks of this topic, it's not the first time Merv has done something like this.

Could you advise me where best to show my article/images in the best way as all parties (including Merv before he jumps in again) can veiw them and admire them.

As you can tell, I've gone for a brisk walk to calm myself and picked up my 4yr old daughter from school. Yes, I made comments that were harsh, but if you made an article and someone "slaped it down", you'd be miffed too. Right now I'm trying to recover from sciatic nerve damage cause by over work, so I'm trying to keep myself occupied.

PS - Thank you for being a neutral party in this matter.(Damn your good for your age, I'm 27!) --Jetstorm316

:You have, I think, perhaps walked into a potentially huge "opportunity" (read pile of work). I'm not sure if there is a simple place to stick all of your contributions yet, as I think the current structure might not yet be where it needs to be. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] suggested the military ranks (RDM, and TOS). That might do for a start, but your article made me realize that we don't have a Uniforms (TOS) page describing (and displaying images related to) the Original Series uniforms. If a Uniforms (TOS) is warranted, then potentially the TOS patches and insignia could go in a patches and insignia section on that article, with RDM patches and insignia going in a new section of a (newly moved?) Uniforms (RDM). The existing Uniforms page is in desperate need of color (images) anyway, and having (verified) patches to display would be a potential way to start that process. That's just one guy's idea, though. I'd recommend asking this same question over at [[Talk:Colonial arm patches and insignia|the article talk page]] or on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|admin noticeboard]] to get the opinions of some others. I'm sure if we all put our heads together, we can come up with something. (Don't worry about your work "disappearing" suddenly. Spencerian wasn't ACTUALLY deleting yet, he was just trying to start THIS exact discussion. The article you created will not be deleted until we've figured out where everything should go and is everything is in place.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:17, 21 February 2006 (EST)

== images? ==

''just trying to upload som nice images that i found to be neede on the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Requested_Images]], from starbuck cutting cylon spacecraft's brain and getting in, for the [[Cylon Models]] article, refering to the spacecraft.i can upload them to my own host, but i think the images shown in the articles are miniatures from bigger ones uploaded here, isn't it? i have 9 pretty ones, but just want one of them to be thumbnailed (you know, the way the it's done on wikis), and the other ones being watchable.''

oh men how ridicule i feel, just found the image uploading on the tools menu. thanks anyway dancing_salad 18:15, 21 February 2006 (EST)

User talk:Steelviper

2006-02-21T23:15:13Z

Dancing salad: /* images? */

Welcome to the BSG Wiki, Steelviper! Be sure to fill in your User page sometime to introduce yourself! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:26, 26 October 2005 (EDT)
:User page created (albeit quite spartan). Thanks for the encouragement.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:52, 27 October 2005 (EDT)

== Rave Reviews! ==

Hey. [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Characters&curid=3315&diff=18646&oldid=17786 Nice work]. Probably we should rework that section, now, to simply be a note to leave the Unknown Delegate alone. However, it's 4:33am here and I don't feel like doing it just now. Anyway, welcome and glad to have you. --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:33, 3 December 2005 (EST)

== King of the TOS Pages! ==

Hey, Steel. I'm sure many of us are noticing you taking point in getting the TOS pages filled in and fortified. It's much appreciated. Someday, when I'm drunk, I'll buy my TOS DVDs and join in. (I'll need some crystal meth to go to get myself to watch Galactica 1980, but you gotta do what you gotta do.) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:08, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I agreed completely with your observation that our TOS deficiencies are pretty embarrassing. Actually, much of the progress stems from working the [[Special:Wantedpages]] as suggested by the "Original Series Article Development Project." That was the first I had heard of that page, and I love it! A lot of the bigger offenders were topics where there was plenty of information available, it was just spread out across the wiki. Hopefully it won't be too long before the front page of the "wanted" pages are all user pages. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:29, 14 December 2005 (EST)

==Screenshots==

First off, although I am not personally a fan of TOS, I want to commend you for your contributions to those pages here. I think our site has benifited immensely during the relatively short time you've been active here.

Secondly, I note that there is a quite a dearth of good illustrative screen captures from TOS episodes. To that end, I would like to offer to donate a copy of the TOS DVD box set to you via Amazon.com or somesuch. Let me know if this would be useful. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:30, 22 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I appreciate the thought. "[[Imperious Leader|Santa Claus]]" already beat you to the punch, though. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:05, 28 December 2005 (EST) (Updated)

== Administrator Nomination ==

Seeing how you've just as obsessed with this place as many of us are, [[Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_adminship/Steelviper|I've nominated you as an administator.]] --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 27 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I'll get right on that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:13, 27 December 2005 (EST)

== Congrats! ==

You are now an admin! If you have any questions, feel free to bring them to me or any of your fellow admins. So say we all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Welcome to the clubhouse. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:37, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Since you're the new kid, you have to do the mopping. Congrats! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:44, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::Thanks guys! I'll try not to make too big of a mess. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:01, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::: Yes. Congrats. Don't let my "neutral" vote imply that I'll point a gun at your head when you try to depose the President of the Colonies or anything. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 10:34, 4 January 2006 (EST)

==Galactica 1980==

Hi Steelviper. Send me an email at weller43@cox.net so I can confirm for you that the site you mentioned is mine. - Mark Weller [[User:Mokwella|Mokwella]] 23:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Since Joe, as host, is ultimately the liable party, it would probably be best to go directly to him. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:58, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::I didn't mean to stir anything up when I linked to your site. I just stumbled across it, as there isn't that much that comes up on a Google search for "Galactica 1980 dvd". Hopefully after you've emailed Joe everything will be clear. Sorry for any inconvenience. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:01, 4 January 2006 (EST)

== FLeet ==

Thanks for spotting these typos. It's an unusually common one with me. I'm getting better about catching them, but some still slip through. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:01, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome! Fortunately the consistency is what got them on my radar (they ended up on the "Wanted Page", which I tend to patrol). Thanks for doing all those, by the way! I was getting tired of linking to "The Fleet#Original Series|the fleet". The Fleet (TOS) is much more concise. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:15, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:: Oh, I didn't make [[The Fleet (TOS)]]. Someone else split up The Fleet into the RDM and TOS name-spaces. I'm just currently purging Fleet since nearly all of those should be double-redirects. I'm not done, either, but I'm getting there. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:19, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::I think Peter Farago and Spencerian were primarily responsible for making the change. I just saw you were doing a lot of Fleet redirect work.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:22, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Heh. I forgot the links would be bad. Anyway... yes. --[[User:Day|Day]] 19:09, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Gah! I was about to start finishing this thing off but I kept finding them already fixed. I hit the refresh and they were GONE! ''*GASP*''! Thanks, man. I can cross that one off, then. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:17, 18 January 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome. I saw it was almost done, and got in groove. Now I just need to figure out how to use scripts to do that (as Spencerian suggested on his talk page). Unfortunately a lot of times it takes a human eye to figure out which way a particular link needs to go (if I had just thrown a script at it I would have gotten the Eastern Alliance one wrong, unless it somehow could check the categories of the page). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:20, 18 January 2006 (EST)

:: Yeah. I was thinking about that. I don't think a script could be smart enough unless you took forever to write it, and then you're not being any more time efficient. I think hand-fixing things is the only way to do it, really. Now, the next project will be to go find all the links that go to "Last, First"-style character pages and fix those... A nit-pickers work is never done.--[[User:Day|Day]] 17:23, 18 January 2006 (EST)

== Humano-Cylon Naming Question ==

SV, when you have an opportunity, provide your two cents to the debate to "retire" the Humano-Cylon term on its talk page. I'm generally against it as it's rather pervasive and works fine for here. Peter is for the change, but the logic surprises me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:54, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:Que? Oh. Well, I put in my two cubits (though I'm not sure how much that's worth with the conversion rates, inflation, etc.). Lots of interesting issues at hand. Hopefully more people will weigh in (unlike on the translation stuff). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:41, 24 January 2006 (EST)

== Glad to be of service ==

It's going to take me a week or two of doing this, and my Spanish will come back...in the mean time, bear with me and don't hesitate to correct anything if you see something blatantly wrong.

Glad to be of service, I assume this is mostly your project, I applaud the effort, and I'm glad to help. --[[User:Leoben Conoy|Leoben Conoy]]

:I never really intended it to be my project... I just mostly tried to start forging the translating pattern in the hopes that other people might join in. I am extremely pleased that people have! (Especially having two languages going at once!) I still don't have the whole picture of how everything will go (does Water/es:Water ever turn into Agua?), but I'm sure we'll figure things out. Joe might have a better concept of how the whole operation will work. I'll try to read over the Spanish work, but I expect that even your "blatantly wrong" will make more sense in Spanish than what I was doing. Also, if you want to sign your comments with your name/timestamp (all the cool kids are doing it), just use four "~"'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (though we often prefix that with a couple of dashes, for style. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:08, 2 February 2006 (EST)

==Nuclear warhead==
I just added how he got it because it was mentioned later down the article, when he gives it to Gina. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 08:57, 14 February 2006 (EST)
:Right on! I left in the part where she gets him to request the nuclear warhead. I'm just not sure it has been detailed that he actually used the warhead as part of the detector. It seems like he just requested it to placate Six. The details of the working Cylon detector remain (I think intentionally) a little fuzzy. If they explicitly mention that he actually uses the warhead in the detector, then go ahead and add it back in. It just just seems that he was flexing his scientific muscle, though.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:02, 14 February 2006 (EST)

==Thanks for the Welcome==

Hi, I don't know how much use I can be around the rest of the site (I'm not very tehnical-minded) but I love transcribing things (I must be mad) and so I'm happy to do as many of them as I can for you. Don't hesitiate to correct me if I mess something up too, like I said, I'm not brilliant with computers. Anyway thanks for saying hi. --[[User:Misco|Misco]] 15:40, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome! Usually that job falls to [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]. (In fact his initial greeting is still at the top of this page, as I don't get enough traffic to require archiving.) I jumped at the opportunity to welcome a new transcriber, though! I've tried doing it myself (though I managed to lose my work), but find that my OCD-like compulsion to get EVERY SINGLE sound (including the filler um's, ah's, sort of's) slows me WAY down. It amazes me when I get a chance to read transcriptions of people like yourself and [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] that have excellent filters that clear out all that junk leaving only the good stuff. Feel free to contribute in whatever ways you are comfortable! As with any wiki, the more the merrier. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:47, 14 February 2006 (EST)

== Printed Media Copyrights ==

Did you catch who uploaded those Official Companion pictures? We need to make a note on their user page immediately. This is something we would get sued for, fast since this is a publication and not a broadcast. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:06, 16 February 2006 (EST)
:I believe it was [[User:Crashoveride]]. If you wouldn't mind making the note, you seem to have a better grasp at the applicable laws. When I spotted them, they felt a bit wrong, but I wasn't confident enought to outright delete them. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:10, 16 February 2006 (EST)

==Wanted List==
Cool! (sorry about the late response) :) --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:Mas vale tarde que nunca. (Better late than never.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:04, 16 February 2006 (EST)

== i'm really sorry... ==

... but i didnt know how to use a wiki.
well, i use to visit wikipedia for contents, but as i not expert on any camp, i haven't edited a wiki ever.
i didn't know who to contact o how to contact (no private msg's here?)
well, i just wanted to help with the spanish translation. i'm natural spanish speaker (i'm from spain) i use to watch galactica in originally soundtracked (i dl them for inet two days after is aired, it is legal in spain)
i'll be thankedif anyone helps me. just want to visit some galactica website on translate em to spanish.
have a nice day. --Dancing salad
:I left you a response on [[User talk:Dancing salad|your user talk page]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:23, 19 February 2006 (EST)
thanks, i'm glad u helped me - and so fastly!
i'll be doing my best on it. dancing_salad 15:30, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== RE: Colonial arm patches ==

Thank you for your recap, well deocumented, and by the looks of this topic, it's not the first time Merv has done something like this.

Could you advise me where best to show my article/images in the best way as all parties (including Merv before he jumps in again) can veiw them and admire them.

As you can tell, I've gone for a brisk walk to calm myself and picked up my 4yr old daughter from school. Yes, I made comments that were harsh, but if you made an article and someone "slaped it down", you'd be miffed too. Right now I'm trying to recover from sciatic nerve damage cause by over work, so I'm trying to keep myself occupied.

PS - Thank you for being a neutral party in this matter.(Damn your good for your age, I'm 27!) --Jetstorm316

:You have, I think, perhaps walked into a potentially huge "opportunity" (read pile of work). I'm not sure if there is a simple place to stick all of your contributions yet, as I think the current structure might not yet be where it needs to be. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] suggested the military ranks (RDM, and TOS). That might do for a start, but your article made me realize that we don't have a Uniforms (TOS) page describing (and displaying images related to) the Original Series uniforms. If a Uniforms (TOS) is warranted, then potentially the TOS patches and insignia could go in a patches and insignia section on that article, with RDM patches and insignia going in a new section of a (newly moved?) Uniforms (RDM). The existing Uniforms page is in desperate need of color (images) anyway, and having (verified) patches to display would be a potential way to start that process. That's just one guy's idea, though. I'd recommend asking this same question over at [[Talk:Colonial arm patches and insignia|the article talk page]] or on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|admin noticeboard]] to get the opinions of some others. I'm sure if we all put our heads together, we can come up with something. (Don't worry about your work "disappearing" suddenly. Spencerian wasn't ACTUALLY deleting yet, he was just trying to start THIS exact discussion. The article you created will not be deleted until we've figured out where everything should go and is everything is in place.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:17, 21 February 2006 (EST)

== images? ==

''just trying to upload som nice images that i found to be neede on the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Requested_Images]], from starbuck cutting cylon spacecraft's brain and getting in, for the [[Cylon Models]] article, refering to the spacecraft.
i can upload them to my own host, but i think the images shown in the articles are miniatures from bigger ones uploaded here, isn't it?
i have 9 pretty ones, but just want one of them to be thumbnailed (you know, the way the it's done on wikis), and the other ones being watchable.'' oh men how ridicule i feel, just found the image uploading on the tools menu. thanks anyway dancing_salad 18:15, 21 February 2006 (EST)

User talk:Steelviper

2006-02-21T23:06:06Z

Dancing salad: images?

Welcome to the BSG Wiki, Steelviper! Be sure to fill in your User page sometime to introduce yourself! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:26, 26 October 2005 (EDT)
:User page created (albeit quite spartan). Thanks for the encouragement.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:52, 27 October 2005 (EDT)

== Rave Reviews! ==

Hey. [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Characters&curid=3315&diff=18646&oldid=17786 Nice work]. Probably we should rework that section, now, to simply be a note to leave the Unknown Delegate alone. However, it's 4:33am here and I don't feel like doing it just now. Anyway, welcome and glad to have you. --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:33, 3 December 2005 (EST)

== King of the TOS Pages! ==

Hey, Steel. I'm sure many of us are noticing you taking point in getting the TOS pages filled in and fortified. It's much appreciated. Someday, when I'm drunk, I'll buy my TOS DVDs and join in. (I'll need some crystal meth to go to get myself to watch Galactica 1980, but you gotta do what you gotta do.) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:08, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I agreed completely with your observation that our TOS deficiencies are pretty embarrassing. Actually, much of the progress stems from working the [[Special:Wantedpages]] as suggested by the "Original Series Article Development Project." That was the first I had heard of that page, and I love it! A lot of the bigger offenders were topics where there was plenty of information available, it was just spread out across the wiki. Hopefully it won't be too long before the front page of the "wanted" pages are all user pages. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:29, 14 December 2005 (EST)

==Screenshots==

First off, although I am not personally a fan of TOS, I want to commend you for your contributions to those pages here. I think our site has benifited immensely during the relatively short time you've been active here.

Secondly, I note that there is a quite a dearth of good illustrative screen captures from TOS episodes. To that end, I would like to offer to donate a copy of the TOS DVD box set to you via Amazon.com or somesuch. Let me know if this would be useful. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:30, 22 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I appreciate the thought. "[[Imperious Leader|Santa Claus]]" already beat you to the punch, though. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:05, 28 December 2005 (EST) (Updated)

== Administrator Nomination ==

Seeing how you've just as obsessed with this place as many of us are, [[Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_adminship/Steelviper|I've nominated you as an administator.]] --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 27 December 2005 (EST)

:Thanks! I'll get right on that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:13, 27 December 2005 (EST)

== Congrats! ==

You are now an admin! If you have any questions, feel free to bring them to me or any of your fellow admins. So say we all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Welcome to the clubhouse. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:37, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Since you're the new kid, you have to do the mopping. Congrats! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:44, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::Thanks guys! I'll try not to make too big of a mess. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:01, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::: Yes. Congrats. Don't let my "neutral" vote imply that I'll point a gun at your head when you try to depose the President of the Colonies or anything. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 10:34, 4 January 2006 (EST)

==Galactica 1980==

Hi Steelviper. Send me an email at weller43@cox.net so I can confirm for you that the site you mentioned is mine. - Mark Weller [[User:Mokwella|Mokwella]] 23:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:Since Joe, as host, is ultimately the liable party, it would probably be best to go directly to him. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:58, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::I didn't mean to stir anything up when I linked to your site. I just stumbled across it, as there isn't that much that comes up on a Google search for "Galactica 1980 dvd". Hopefully after you've emailed Joe everything will be clear. Sorry for any inconvenience. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:01, 4 January 2006 (EST)

== FLeet ==

Thanks for spotting these typos. It's an unusually common one with me. I'm getting better about catching them, but some still slip through. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:01, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome! Fortunately the consistency is what got them on my radar (they ended up on the "Wanted Page", which I tend to patrol). Thanks for doing all those, by the way! I was getting tired of linking to "The Fleet#Original Series|the fleet". The Fleet (TOS) is much more concise. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:15, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:: Oh, I didn't make [[The Fleet (TOS)]]. Someone else split up The Fleet into the RDM and TOS name-spaces. I'm just currently purging Fleet since nearly all of those should be double-redirects. I'm not done, either, but I'm getting there. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:19, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::I think Peter Farago and Spencerian were primarily responsible for making the change. I just saw you were doing a lot of Fleet redirect work.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:22, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Heh. I forgot the links would be bad. Anyway... yes. --[[User:Day|Day]] 19:09, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Gah! I was about to start finishing this thing off but I kept finding them already fixed. I hit the refresh and they were GONE! ''*GASP*''! Thanks, man. I can cross that one off, then. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:17, 18 January 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome. I saw it was almost done, and got in groove. Now I just need to figure out how to use scripts to do that (as Spencerian suggested on his talk page). Unfortunately a lot of times it takes a human eye to figure out which way a particular link needs to go (if I had just thrown a script at it I would have gotten the Eastern Alliance one wrong, unless it somehow could check the categories of the page). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:20, 18 January 2006 (EST)

:: Yeah. I was thinking about that. I don't think a script could be smart enough unless you took forever to write it, and then you're not being any more time efficient. I think hand-fixing things is the only way to do it, really. Now, the next project will be to go find all the links that go to "Last, First"-style character pages and fix those... A nit-pickers work is never done.--[[User:Day|Day]] 17:23, 18 January 2006 (EST)

== Humano-Cylon Naming Question ==

SV, when you have an opportunity, provide your two cents to the debate to "retire" the Humano-Cylon term on its talk page. I'm generally against it as it's rather pervasive and works fine for here. Peter is for the change, but the logic surprises me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:54, 24 January 2006 (EST)

:Que? Oh. Well, I put in my two cubits (though I'm not sure how much that's worth with the conversion rates, inflation, etc.). Lots of interesting issues at hand. Hopefully more people will weigh in (unlike on the translation stuff). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:41, 24 January 2006 (EST)

== Glad to be of service ==

It's going to take me a week or two of doing this, and my Spanish will come back...in the mean time, bear with me and don't hesitate to correct anything if you see something blatantly wrong.

Glad to be of service, I assume this is mostly your project, I applaud the effort, and I'm glad to help. --[[User:Leoben Conoy|Leoben Conoy]]

:I never really intended it to be my project... I just mostly tried to start forging the translating pattern in the hopes that other people might join in. I am extremely pleased that people have! (Especially having two languages going at once!) I still don't have the whole picture of how everything will go (does Water/es:Water ever turn into Agua?), but I'm sure we'll figure things out. Joe might have a better concept of how the whole operation will work. I'll try to read over the Spanish work, but I expect that even your "blatantly wrong" will make more sense in Spanish than what I was doing. Also, if you want to sign your comments with your name/timestamp (all the cool kids are doing it), just use four "~"'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (though we often prefix that with a couple of dashes, for style. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:08, 2 February 2006 (EST)

==Nuclear warhead==
I just added how he got it because it was mentioned later down the article, when he gives it to Gina. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 08:57, 14 February 2006 (EST)
:Right on! I left in the part where she gets him to request the nuclear warhead. I'm just not sure it has been detailed that he actually used the warhead as part of the detector. It seems like he just requested it to placate Six. The details of the working Cylon detector remain (I think intentionally) a little fuzzy. If they explicitly mention that he actually uses the warhead in the detector, then go ahead and add it back in. It just just seems that he was flexing his scientific muscle, though.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:02, 14 February 2006 (EST)

==Thanks for the Welcome==

Hi, I don't know how much use I can be around the rest of the site (I'm not very tehnical-minded) but I love transcribing things (I must be mad) and so I'm happy to do as many of them as I can for you. Don't hesitiate to correct me if I mess something up too, like I said, I'm not brilliant with computers. Anyway thanks for saying hi. --[[User:Misco|Misco]] 15:40, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:You're welcome! Usually that job falls to [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]. (In fact his initial greeting is still at the top of this page, as I don't get enough traffic to require archiving.) I jumped at the opportunity to welcome a new transcriber, though! I've tried doing it myself (though I managed to lose my work), but find that my OCD-like compulsion to get EVERY SINGLE sound (including the filler um's, ah's, sort of's) slows me WAY down. It amazes me when I get a chance to read transcriptions of people like yourself and [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] that have excellent filters that clear out all that junk leaving only the good stuff. Feel free to contribute in whatever ways you are comfortable! As with any wiki, the more the merrier. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:47, 14 February 2006 (EST)

== Printed Media Copyrights ==

Did you catch who uploaded those Official Companion pictures? We need to make a note on their user page immediately. This is something we would get sued for, fast since this is a publication and not a broadcast. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:06, 16 February 2006 (EST)
:I believe it was [[User:Crashoveride]]. If you wouldn't mind making the note, you seem to have a better grasp at the applicable laws. When I spotted them, they felt a bit wrong, but I wasn't confident enought to outright delete them. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:10, 16 February 2006 (EST)

==Wanted List==
Cool! (sorry about the late response) :) --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:Mas vale tarde que nunca. (Better late than never.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:04, 16 February 2006 (EST)

== i'm really sorry... ==

... but i didnt know how to use a wiki.
well, i use to visit wikipedia for contents, but as i not expert on any camp, i haven't edited a wiki ever.
i didn't know who to contact o how to contact (no private msg's here?)
well, i just wanted to help with the spanish translation. i'm natural spanish speaker (i'm from spain) i use to watch galactica in originally soundtracked (i dl them for inet two days after is aired, it is legal in spain)
i'll be thankedif anyone helps me. just want to visit some galactica website on translate em to spanish.
have a nice day. --Dancing salad
:I left you a response on [[User talk:Dancing salad|your user talk page]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:23, 19 February 2006 (EST)
thanks, i'm glad u helped me - and so fastly!
i'll be doing my best on it. dancing_salad 15:30, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== RE: Colonial arm patches ==

Thank you for your recap, well deocumented, and by the looks of this topic, it's not the first time Merv has done something like this.

Could you advise me where best to show my article/images in the best way as all parties (including Merv before he jumps in again) can veiw them and admire them.

As you can tell, I've gone for a brisk walk to calm myself and picked up my 4yr old daughter from school. Yes, I made comments that were harsh, but if you made an article and someone "slaped it down", you'd be miffed too. Right now I'm trying to recover from sciatic nerve damage cause by over work, so I'm trying to keep myself occupied.

PS - Thank you for being a neutral party in this matter.(Damn your good for your age, I'm 27!) --Jetstorm316

:You have, I think, perhaps walked into a potentially huge "opportunity" (read pile of work). I'm not sure if there is a simple place to stick all of your contributions yet, as I think the current structure might not yet be where it needs to be. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] suggested the military ranks (RDM, and TOS). That might do for a start, but your article made me realize that we don't have a Uniforms (TOS) page describing (and displaying images related to) the Original Series uniforms. If a Uniforms (TOS) is warranted, then potentially the TOS patches and insignia could go in a patches and insignia section on that article, with RDM patches and insignia going in a new section of a (newly moved?) Uniforms (RDM). The existing Uniforms page is in desperate need of color (images) anyway, and having (verified) patches to display would be a potential way to start that process. That's just one guy's idea, though. I'd recommend asking this same question over at [[Talk:Colonial arm patches and insignia|the article talk page]] or on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|admin noticeboard]] to get the opinions of some others. I'm sure if we all put our heads together, we can come up with something. (Don't worry about your work "disappearing" suddenly. Spencerian wasn't ACTUALLY deleting yet, he was just trying to start THIS exact discussion. The article you created will not be deleted until we've figured out where everything should go and is everything is in place.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:17, 21 February 2006 (EST)

== images? ==

just trying to upload som nice images that i found to be neede on the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Requested_Images]], from starbuck cutting cylon spacecraft's brain and getting in, for the [[Cylon Models]] article, refering to the spacecraft.
i can upload them to my own host, but i think the images shown in the articles are miniatures from bigger ones uploaded here, isn't it?
i have 9 pretty ones, but just want one of them to be thumbnailed (you know, the way the it's done on wikis), and the other ones being watchable.
i don't know if catch what i mean. may you help me, please?

Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/es:Battlestar Wiki:Estándares y Convenios

2006-02-19T22:12:26Z

Dancing salad:

He traducido tres pequeñas partes, pero el termino "unwidely" no lo entiendo. Espero que alguien pueda traducir esa oración.
I've translated three short pieces, but the word "unwidely" is unknown for me, I hope someone can translate this sentence.
dancing_salad 17:12, 19 February 2006 (EST)

User talk:Steelviper

2006-02-19T20:30:44Z

Dancing salad: /* i'm really sorry... */

User talk:Steelviper

2006-02-19T20:07:27Z

Dancing salad: i'm really sorry...