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Talk:Earth (RDM)/Archive 1

2007-10-03T15:22:34Z

Cortes:

== Earth uninhabited/primitve/catastrophe?? ==

Everyone has still the amazing finale of Season 3 in mind. We were able to take a look at the Earth of BSG RDM. Although, we could see the familiar blue planet for a few seconds only, it was enough to determine one fact: There were no major cities visible from orbit, nor any other signs indicating that earth is actually inhabited with a highly advanced civilization. This leads to the question what happend to the thirteenth tribe? Were they wiped out? Are they much more primitive than their 12 brothers? Or something completely different? In my opinion I believe that Earth is the true origin of mankind and that the remaining citizens of the planet have developed in the 4000 years since the exodus to such advanced and godlike beings (maybe comparable to the beings of Stargate, the ancients) that they no longer need to live in high-tech cities, but travel through the universe with their powers. I mean, look at the episode Maelstrom. I think an earth human took the role of Leoben to prepare Kara for their "life and death experience". If they are able to communicate with humans in dreams, pull viper pilots to earth in a maelstrom and even reverse the death of Kara Thrace than the earth humans must be extremely powerful beings! {{unsigned|Cortes}}

:I sure hope that it's uninhabited - but perhaps habitable again - and that it's the true origin of mankind. It still wouldn't explain the close technological and cultural similarities after thousands of years, but everything else would pretty much destroy the show in my eyes. Especially if it were an advanced society. This just isn't the type of show to either have incorporeal beings or have a story resolved by magical new technology. An alternative would be a complete parallel universe, where humans didn't develop on Earth. But that whole Earth thing has never been a favorite of mine anyways and is beginning to take up way too much screen time. I never felt that the show was ''about'' the search for Earth and liked it when that story went on in the background.

:Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or use the "sign your name" quick link in the edit box. That will add a timestamp and a signature after your posts. Moreover, for this type of speculative questions, I'd recommend [http://battlestarforum.com/index.php Battlestar Forum] (run by the same people as the wiki, though not as populated) over talk pages. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:41, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Earth (RDM)/Archive 1

2007-10-03T13:30:07Z

Cortes: Earth unhabited/primitve/catastrophe??

== Earth unhabited/primitve/catastrophe?? ==

Everyone has still the amazing finale of Season 3 in mind. We were able to take a look at the Earth of BSG RDM. Although, we could see the familiar blue planet for a few seconds only, it was enough to determine one fact: There were no major cities visible from orbit, nor any other signs indicating that earth is actually inhabited with a highly advanced civilization. This leads to the question what happend to the thirteenth tribe? Were they wiped out? Are they much more primitive than their 12 brothers? Or something completely different? In my opinion I believe that Earth is the true origin of mankind and that the remaining citizens of the planet have developed in the 4000 years since the exodus to such advanced and godlike beings (maybe comparable to the beings of Stargate, the ancients) that they no longer need to live in high-tech cities, but travel through the universe with their powers. I mean, look at the episode Maelstrom. I think an earth human took the role of Leoben to prepare Kara for their "life and death experience". If they are able to communicate with humans in dreams, pull viper pilots to earth in a maelstrom and even reverse the death of Kara Thrace than the earth humans must be extremely powerful beings!

Talk:Hybrid/Archive 1

2007-10-02T11:42:58Z

Cortes: New section: Hybrid legend

==Hybrid Genders==
Maybe it's me, but I feel like the article implies that Hybrids come only in that form, while I think they could very easily come in various forms. We'll probably find out next time we see a Hybrid, but it may be worthy of noting that although CC is often a bad source, they do include "Female Hybrid" at the start of her speech. This aside, I do believe that while the one Hybrid we saw was female, they aren't all necessarily so. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:08, 8 November 2006 (CST)
: The article should be reworded to remove this implication, since we don't know either way. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:42, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:While there might be male Hybrids too, "it" was refered to as "she" in the podcast --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:52, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::The Cylons are pretty consistent when it comes to making all members of a model identical. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:56, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::Regardless, we have no evidence (either way) that they've continued that trait in this model. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:07, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::::I think it's mostly that the article is written as though it's talking about the character itself instead of the model. Maybe if we can change that somehow....I'll see if I can rewrite it to talk about Hybrids in general instead of the specific Hybrid aboard Caprica's Basestar.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:29, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::::Have at it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:34, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::::::How's this:

:::::::'''''A '''Hybrid''' is the central computer inside a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ([[Torn]]).'''''

:::::::'''''The Hybrids resemble human beings inside an immersion tank similar to a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]]. However, they aren't [[Cylon agent|Cylon agents]], but another type of Cylon, similar to the autonomous biomechanical pilots within [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] <ref>Despite its humanoid appearance, the Hybrid is not a Cylon agent and should not be counted as one of the 12 Cylon agent varieties.</ref>, specially constructed as living computers that manage the autonomic functions of the basestar, including navigation and FTL jumps, climate control, and the like. The Hybrids are so integrated into the basestar's functionality that they ''are'', for all practical purposes, the basestar.'''''

:::::::'''''The Hybrids do not have a completely human body, but rather appear to be more like [[Wikipedia:Cyborg|cyborgs]], consisting of conduits and other connectors mated to, or in place of elements of their bodies.'''''

:::::::'''''It is unclear whether a Hybrid can take autonomous actions on its own, although they can articulate disagreement with orders. It appears that a unit of seven Cylon agents, located elsewhere in the basestar's command and control center, generate the collective command decisions that are accepted and executed by the Hybrids.'''''

:::::::'''''The Hybrids almost continually speak in phrases that makes little sense to the basestar's crew. The utterances appear to be a mixture of system status reports as well as observations of events in and around the basestar that may not be describable in words. The agents known to the Colonials as [[Leoben Conoy]] believe that the Hybrids can hear or understand the voice of [[God (RDM)|God]].'''''

:::::::'''''A Hybrids' connectivity to it's basestar provides it with a remarkable awareness of the space surrounding it. They appear to experience a form of ecstasy, perhaps at an orgasmic level, when accomplishing certain tasks such as jumping.'''''

::::::And I think we should leave out the last section altogether, it's too much speculation regarding exactly what the Cylons consider them and whether or not the Hybrid cares. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:42, 8 November 2006 (CST)

:::::::Reads much better, in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:47, 8 November 2006 (CST)

::::::::And there we go =). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:03, 8 November 2006 (CST)

If you watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw_Z2VgFN0o this] teaser for "[[Razor]]", you'll see a man in what looks like a Hybrid tank. We also know that the casting sheets called for the role to be cast. The cuts are very quick, but that looks like young William Adama. One of the casting sides had him find some sort of Cylon experiment shortly before the armistice was declared. I think he's stumbling on their research into organic life-forms. So the Hybrids are the first steps towards the later human-like models. Of course that's still speculation now, but I'm pretty sure "Razor" will confirm it. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:35, 1 October 2007 (CDT)

== Capitalization rules? ==

Is "hybrid" considered a proper noun? Here it's written "Hybrid", but on the episode page generally "hybrid". Or is both ok? Personally, I'd tend to capitalize it like "Centurion" and "Raider" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:22, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:I agree with the caps in this case, helping to distinguish between the use of the word as referring to this particular type of entity rather than [[Hera|some other type of hybrid]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:13, 9 November 2006 (CST)

:Concurring. This, for lack of anything else, is a proper noun and should not fall to the generic. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:58, 9 November 2006 (CST)

::Aha! I see your ruse. Concur here to garner support on your "Jump" cause... and darned if it's not working. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:04, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Info box ==

In the info box when there is a link to the [[Basestar]] it seems that it should direct to [[Basestar (RDM)]] because that is the only basestar the Hybrid controls. Taking us to the redirect page seems counterintuitive. On the other had though, I don't know how to do this without it displaying as "[[Basestar (RDM)]]" which just looks odd. Thoughts? --[[User:Wldkt1|Wldkt1]] 02:08, 14 November 2006 (CST)
--Okay, i figured it out[[User:Wldkt1|Wldkt1]] 02:48, 14 November 2006 (CST)
:To clarify for the future, <nowiki>[[ArticleName|Whatever you want it to say]]</nowiki> :) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:19, 14 November 2006 (CST)

== Jump vs Hybrid ==
Actually I've been using caps on Jump due to the discussion [[Talk:Propulsion_in_the_Re-imagined_Series|here]] and to distinguish it from other uses of the word (much like using caps on Hybrid). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:51, 17 November 2006 (CST)

:Although closed captioning can be unreliable for some things, they are quite consistent in capitalizing "Jump" as well, yes. Exactly my point. "FTL Jump," "Jump" and "Hybrid" seem appropriately capitalized for their context to me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:55, 17 November 2006 (CST)

== Hybrid legend ==

As I've seen one of the new trailers for Razor, I noticed Lee and the Admiral talking about some kind of Hybrid legend. You can even see the Hybrid, apparrently HE is very old. So, this supports the fact, that Hybrids don't look the same and have even different genders!