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Serina

2006-02-07T01:51:23Z

Cmr:

{{Character Data|
|photo= [[Image:Serina.jpg|200px]]
|age= mid-20s
|colony=[[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Caprica]]
|birthname=Serina
|callsign=
|death=In [[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I (TOS)]]
|parents=
|siblings=
|children= 1; [[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]]
|marital status=Was [[sealed]] to [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]]
|role= [[Shuttle]] and [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] pilot, [[Battlestar (TOS)|Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]''
|rank=
|actor= [http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0005412/ Jane Seymour]
|cylon=
}}

'''Serina''' is a survivor of the [[Battle of Cimtar|Cylon holocaust]] upon the [[Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies]].

Originally a Colonial reporter based on [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Caprica]], Serina was present at the main hub of celebration for the pseudo-peace treaty between the [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]] and the Colonials. With her son [[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]], she became one of the mere thousands who were saved by the rescue efforts of Commander [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] and his battlestar, ''[[Galactica]]''. She and her son were sent to the ''[[Rising Star (TOS)|Rising Star]]'', where she furthered her relationship with [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]]. She was thankful for Apollo's efforts into making her son, who refused to eat, recover from the death of his [[daggit]], [[Muffit]].

With Boxey and Muffit II, a robotic daggit, she accompanied Commander Apollo and [[Jolly (TOS)|Flight Sergeant Jolly]] to the planet [[Carillon]] where eventually they were found and sent to the front of the Ovion's operation. Once the operation was found to be a Cylon snare, Serina and her other fellow members of the Fleet made it back to their respective ships. ([[Saga of a Star World]])

Leaving behind the debris of Carillon and the old [[Imperious Leader]] behind, Serina began training as a [[Shuttle]] pilot after Apollo announced his engagement. Although he wasn't too pleased initially, he understood and was pleased at the idea after a heated "discussion".

Circumstances lead way to her eventual departure from the realm of the living as the [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] corps was all incapacitated and near death due to an unidentifiable sickness that was spread by [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] and Jolly. She and all the shuttle pilots were suddenly being trained to fly Vipers, against the objections of [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]] and Apollo (the two remaining active pilots). After their training, Serina and the other shuttle-turned-Viper pilots flew a novice escort of [[Salik]]'s medical shuttle, and managed to ward of a [[Cylon Raider (TOS)|Cylon fighter squadron]].

After the mission and upon entering the magnetic void previously detected by Apollo and Starbuck, [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]] [[Sealed]] Serina and Apollo. Unfortunately, the pilots were absent from the ceremony due to their sickness, and the Cylons had captured Starbuck. (Although Apollo was initially hesitant about going through with it because he felt so deeply for his friend Starbuck, but his mind had been changed when Serina consoled him.)

During this ceremony, another special event occurred -- the detection of a lone star that would guide them forth from the magnetic sea phenomenon. They had come across the planet known as [[Kobol]], the original place where Humanity once sprung from. Adama immediately set out to find any trace of the [[Earth|thirteenth colony]], with Apollo and Serina at his side. Serina, along with Apollo, would have preferred to be alone on the planet, however destiny guided them toward the temple of the [[Ninth Lord of Kobol|last leader of Kobol]].

Serina bore witness to the discovery, eventually stumbling upon the tomb of the Ninth Lord, as well as the treacherous [[Baltar (TOS)|Lord Baltar]]. As Adama worked on deciphering the language in the hidden second chamber, the Cylons attacked and the trio fled, leaving Baltar to the falling temple. As Serina rejoined Starbuck and [[Deitra]] on the surface, two recluse [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] mortally wounded her. While these Cylons were dealt with, it had not helped Serina as she slowly died.

[[Image:Proposal.jpg|thumb|250px|Apollo proposes he and Serina be sealed]]She was rushed back to the ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]'s'' life-sciences center, where she parted ways with the living, leaving behind friends and family, who had to suffer once more by the Cylons ([[Lost Planet of the Gods]]).

== Notes ==

* Serina was originally killed off -- and filmed as being killed -- by [[pluton poisoning]] at the hands of the Cylons in [[Saga of a Star World|the pilot]]. However, these scenes were omitted (and, consequently, [[IMDB-person:John Fink|John Fink]]'s scenes as [[Paye|Doctor Paye]]); the test audiences saw her death as "too depressing". Ironically, she returned only to die being shot in the back by the Cylons.

* In previous versions of [[Saga of a Star World|the pilot]] script Serina was named Lyra, and [[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]] wasn't her son, but a child she adopted. Lyra was also a [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Quorum]] member.

* Although the character's name is commonly spelled "Serena" in online sources, she is credited as "Serina" in the episode "Lost Planet of the Gods".
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Resurrection Ship, Part II

2006-01-16T21:13:45Z

Cmr: /* Questions */

{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Gina-Cain.jpg|300px]]
| Title= Resurrection Ship, Part II
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 12
| Guests=
| Writer=
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| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate=January 13 2006
| UK Airdate=
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| Prev= [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]
| Next= [[Epiphanies]]
}}
== Overview ==
''The battlestars ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' engage in [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|an all-out battle]] to destroy the Cylon “Resurrection” ship.''

== Summary ==

*The episode begins, like "[[Act of Contrition]]", well into the events of the story, as [[Lee Adama]] floats in a planetary body of water. He sees something approaching him—it is a Cylon [[Raider]] with a [[Viper]] in hot pursuit, and we return to reality to see Apollo floating in space in his ejection seat, followed by the title card, "48 Hours Earlier".
*[[Kara Thrace]] asks [[Lee Adama]] for backup on her mission to assassinate Admiral Cain. Lee accepts, and reassures Thrace of the importance of trust as he embraces her.
*[[Helo]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] are bound and beaten in the brig by upset ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officers, aided again by their [[Colonial Marine Corps|marines]], until Executive officer [[Jack Fisk]] arrives to break it up.
*[[Helena Cain]] and [[Kara Thrace]] have a drink together, and Cain asks Thrace to promise not to flinch when she has to commit a "terrible sin"
*Lieutenant Adama makes a courier run to ''Galactica'', taking the opportunity to ask his father about Thrace's special mission. Adama is uninterested in discussing the issue, but young Adama is surprised to know that President Roslin is involved in the assassination plot.
*Thrace and [[Jack Fisk]] both prepare for their assassination missions, as well as the attack on the Resurrection Ship.
* Before Adama aborts his assassination plan on Cain, he solicits advice from the cooperative copy of [[Sharon Valerii]], asking her why the Cylons hate humanity as they do. She reminds him of a portion of his decommissioning speech ([[Miniseries]]), asking whether humanity has asked ''itself'' if it is deserving to survive despite its failings.
*The [[Resurrection Ship]] and two [[Basestar_(RDM)|basestars]] are destroyed by the Colonials. [[Image:Ep212battle.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Cylon basestar under assault]]
*During the battle, the [[Blackbird]] is successful in disabling the Resurrection Ship. While escaping, the Blackbird is heavily damaged. Adama is able to eject in time as the Blackbird is destroyed.
*Floating in space, Apollo's flight suit springs a leak. Dualla tries frantically to contact him, but Apollo does not respond by choice. Later he releases the last of the air in his flight suit and says, "I'm sorry, Kara", before losing consciousness just as a SAR Raptor appears in the nick of time to save him.
*Baltar's emotions turns to Gina, who is tangible and more ''human'' than his internal Number Six. He repeats to Gina a story told to him by Six about going to watch Pyramid games, finally taking her hands in his as Baltar's internal Six disappears. As Gina senses the destruction of the Resurrection Ship, she takes a sidearm from a marine she kills, with Baltar's help, and asks Baltar to kill her, noting that suicide is a sin. Baltar refuses, and gives her the sidearm, telling her she needs justice.
*[[William Adama]] and [[Helena Cain]] both speak over [[wireless]] to conspirators [[Jack Fisk]] and [[Kara Thrace]], respectively, but neither commander gives the order to assassinate the other.
*After the battle, [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]] is shot to death by [[Gina]] in Cain's quarters. Cain is challenging to the last, unregretful of the treatment that Gina has been given.
*At Cain's funeral, Kara Thrace speaks admiringly of her, saying the Fleet would have been safer with her than it is without her. This statement raises a stare from Commander Adama.
*Lee Adama confides to Thrace that he didn't want to survive to the mission, [[Anastasia Dualla]] stands outside Adama's quarters eavesdropping, visibly worried about young Adama.
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' and her crew remain in the Fleet, with [[William Adama]] becoming an admiral to command both battlestars. After receiving new admiral insignia from [[Laura Roslin]], he gives her a brief but affectionate kiss, to the smiles of both.
*Laura Roslin is now visibly weakened by her fight with cancer, and her composure and strength are failing. Her end appears near.

== Questions ==
* Adama had the first opportunity to implent his "plan" on Admiral Cain. Why didn't he? Did [[Sharon Valerii]]'s earlier comments about humanity not deserving to survive have something to do with that?
::Adama's remarks to Starbuck, that it is not enough to survive, but be worthy of survival, seem to point to this.
:::Did [[Helena_Cain|Admiral Cain's]] actions (such as the cannabilism of [[Pegasus_(RDM)|Pegasus']] civilian fleet) necessarily justify her worthiness? Did [[William_Adama|Adama]] realize that he didn't have the right to make that judgement?
* Why did Cain not issue the order for Adama's execution? Was it a change of heart? Or did she suspect that her life was in jeopardy by Thrace?
* Subsequent to [[Number Six#Gina|Gina]] killing of Cain, Gina disappears from ''Pegasus'' and Colonial military imprisonment (as promised by Baltar). Where is she being hidden?
* [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] hands Gina a weapon in the ante-room of the Pegasus brig. Would a high-security area be equipped with surveillance cameras? Has Baltar disappeared as well?
* Is Lee Adama becoming depressed and unable to command his pilots?
: He lost the role to command once Admiral Cain demoted him & put him in the general roster. A better question is will he be in a proper frame of mind to fly, or become a liability?
* How will ''Pegasus'' resources be used throughout the Fleet?
* How many new Viper squadrons and pilots have been added to the Fleet?
* How will Adama deal with the mob-level brutality that appears throughout ''Pegasus''?
* How closely have the Cylons studied the memories of the 'first' Boomer aboard the Galactica, and the other spies in the fleet?
* How will Kara Thrace's comments at Cain's funeral affect her relationship with now-Admiral Adama?
* In "[[Resistance]]", Baltar forces ''Galactica'''s first Sharon into revealing that eight Cylons are still in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. However, this obviously does not take into account the introduction of ''Pegasus''. Thus, are there any more Cylon agents are aboard ''Pegasus''? If so, what do they number?
:Will these agents be far more careful in what they do, knowing that resurrection is no longer possible?
* Will another [[Blackbird]] be constructed?
* Will Adama stay aboard [[Galactica_(RDM)|Galactica]] now that he's been promoted?
:It is very likely that Adama keep ''Galactica'' as his command and flagship. Adama trusts the abilities and strengths of his battlestar and also knows the weaknesses of ''Pegasus''.
* Are there going to be any other promotions?
* Who will be CAG of ''Galactica''? [[Kara_Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Lee_Adama|Apollo]] were assigned to [[Pegasus_(RDM)|Pegasus]] at the time Admiral Cain was assassinated.
* What changes in the Cylon strategy will we see, now that the [[Resurrection Ship]] has been destroyed?

== Analysis ==
*The beating of Helo and the Chief was edited so that in the teaser, all we see is the "Sunshine Boys" entering the cell with their marines, about to tie the two up while making threatening comments. Given that they were involved in the gang rape of Gina, many viewers left the teaser fearing that far worse was going to happen to Agathon and Tyrol than simply being beaten with soap wrapped in towels.
* The basestar/battlestar battle was epic, although viewers did not see a great deal of it from a play-by-play standpoint. The pairing of an advanced battlestar such as ''Pegasus'' with the oldest battlestar, ''Galactica'', likely illustrates why the Cylons used [[CNP|sabotage]] instead of all-out war to [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|defeat the Twelve Colonies]]. With proper planning, battlestars working in tandem will shred a basestar in a close-range attack, which uses missiles and fighters, but appears to have no gun batteries itself.
*Lee Adama's collision with the downed [[Raptor]] occurred partly because Adama was looking behind him, examining the damage he dealt to the Resurrection Ship. This may be symbolic of one of Lee's character flaws—he is always looking backward, always examining what he's done instead of keeping his attention on the here and now. See "[[Water]]", where Lee agonizes over firing on the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' while his father warns him specifically about not second-guessing himself. This theme also parallels Cain's words—-which Starbuck echoes at her funeral—-about not flinching or second-guessing when terrible things have to be done.
* Obviously, the writers felt that the battle was less important than the events planned immediately after--the mutual attempts by Cain and Adama to kill each other. Viewers enter the battle scene at the stage where the battlestars tackle the destruction of the basestars, although there was a ruse earlier involving the entire [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. This quick segue was also likely done in light of the cost for the visual effects, since the shots of the battlestar attacks would be greatly desired by the fans, but also be new VFX and therefore expensive.
* Sharon again shows that she has the memories of the 'original' Boomer, which was previously shown in the season opener when she started to tell Starbuck of the time they met.
* A new love triangle is formed as Gaius Baltar seems more fixated on the ''notion'' of Gina and her pain rather than the feelings of his virtual Number Six, who unsuccessfully pleads him not to aid Gina in killing herself. As he takes Gina's hand, the virtual Six disappears from view in the scene. Perhaps Baltar needed to touch a "real" Six copy, and is also swayed by her "humanity"--her vulnerability and weakness, as well as her differing interpretation on how she thinks [[God]] will forgive the Colonials for the destruction of the Cylon fleet.
*Admiral Adama's affectionate kiss with [[Laura Roslin]] opens up all kinds of new story possibilities and complications for the characters and the Fleet. It might have been considered by some viewers to be the most surprising part of the whole episode since no information on this scene was noted in advance of the show's airing. As noted by RDM in the podcast commentary, the kiss was improvised by Olmos. His and McDonnell's acting continues to be exemplary.

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*Fisk: Specialist Gage, let me ask you something. Those men in there, are they wearing Colonial uniforms?
:Gage: Yes sir.
:Fisk: Specialist Vireem, do you agree that those are in fact Colonial uniforms?
:Ferrine: Yes sir. They killed Lieutenant—
:Fisk: Shut your frakkin' mouth!

*Fisk: I don't want your thanks. I owe Lieutenant Thorne my life, as do many people on this ship.
:Helo: He was trying to rape a prisoner!
:Fisk: You can't "rape" a machine, Lieutenant.

*Cain: You drink, Thrace?
:Thrace: Only to excess, sir.

*Fisk: Good hunting, Captain.
:Thrace: You too, Colonel.

*Tigh: Be sure your Marines and our Marines are aware of their areas of responsibility, in case we're boarded by the Cylons. The last thing we need is Colonials shooting at each other.
:Fisk: Amen to that.

*Sharon Valerii: It's what you said at the ceremony before the attack, when Galactica was being decommissioned. You gave a speech, it sounded like it wasn't the one you prepared. You said that humanity was a flawed creation, and that people still kill one another for petty jealousy and greed. You said that humanity never asked itself why it deserved to survive…. Maybe you don't.

*Number Six: Tens of thousands of Cylons are about to die! Tens of thousands, Gaius! God will not forgive this sin!
:Baltar (to Gina): Do you think God will forgive us?
:Gina: God forgives all.
:Six: Don't listen to her. You think she can help you? You think that that broken woman can offer you even a fraction of what I can? I know God's plan for you. I know how to help you fulfill your destiny.
:Baltar: Do you know what I miss most? You're going to laugh when I tell you this. Sports.
:Six: Don't do this.
:Baltar: Yeah, that's right. I used to love getting to the Pyramid game just before tip-off. If I timed it right, I could sit down right at the horn, and then let the emotion of the crowd flood over me. Waves and waves of it, like electric current.
:Gina: That's beautiful.
:Baltar: And I always had two tickets…
:Six: No…
:Baltar: One for me…
:Six: Please…
:Baltar: And one for you.
:''Baltar's internal Six disappears as Baltar takes Gina's hands''

*Lee Adama (as the last of his oxygen runs out): I'm sorry, Kara.

*Kara Thrace (to herself as she approaches Pegasus CIC): I wish you were here, Lee. But what the hell.

*Tigh: I'm glad we didn't need your marines today.
:Fisk: Yeah, me too.

*Adama (to Starbuck over wireless): I've been thinking about what we talked about before. It's not enough to survive. One has to be worthy of surviving. That's all.

*Cain (to Fisk over wireless): Congratulations, Jack.
:Fisk: Thank you, sir.
:Cain: That's all.
:Fisk: Yes, sir. (hangs up the phone)
:Tigh (to Fisk): You look like you could use a drink.
:''Fisk laughs''

*Gina: Suicide is a sin. But I need to die!
:Baltar: What you need is justice. I know a place where you can stay, where you can be safe, where I can look after you.
:Gina: Why would you do that?
:Baltar: Because I love you.

*Gina: Tell me, Admiral. Can you roll over? Beg?
:Cain: Frak you.
:Gina: You're not my type.
:''Gina shoots Admiral Cain in the face''

*Kara Thrace: I, um, only knew Admiral Cain for a short time, so what I have to say about her will be short. She faced things. She looked them right in the eye and she didn't flinch. That's something that we do a lot around here. We second-guess. We worry. When I think about what she went through after the attack, all alone, one ship, no help, no hope, she didn't give up. She didn't worry. She didn't second-guess. She acted. She did what she thought needed to be done, and the ''Pegasus'' survived. It might be hard to admit or hard to hear, but I think that we were safer with her than we are without.

*Kara Thrace: Lee. Lee, you okay? Are you okay?
:Lee Adama: No, not really. Um...I broke my word to you.
:Kara: What are you talking about?
:Lee: I let you down. I wasn't there when you needed me.
:Kara: Look, a close call like that? That'd mess with anybody's head. Alright? You know, it turns out I didn't need you anyway, so…. Let's just be glad that we both came back alive, alright?
:Lee: That's just it, Kara. I didn't want to make it back alive.

*Laura Roslin: Rumor has it that I know very little about military protocol, but I do know that someone who commands more than one ship is called an admiral. Congratulations, Admiral Adama.
:William Adama: Thank you, Madame President. Thank you, Billy. I um, never gave up hope, I just stopped trying to get these a long time ago.
:Laura: Just goes to show you, BIll. Never give up hope.
:Bill: Same goes for you, Laura.

== Official Statements ==

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Talk:DRADIS/Archive 1

2006-01-15T22:35:22Z

Cmr:

It is stated that DRADIS stands for 'Direction RAnge and DIStance'.

Should it not be 'Direction RAnge Detection and Identification System' This still has the acronym DRADIS?

:I'd be happy to see a source for this term; I'd rather not make it up if RDM has the acronym down. He's normally not into this inane level of techno-fanboy detail, so we'll have to see. Better to keep this one to what we know. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)0

::Agreed, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:43, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT):

:: We need a definite and official source for what this term means. Personally, I don't believe that it is well defined, if at all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)

"Range" and "Distance" are indeed redundant in their most common sense, but in space, a system like this would be pretty much pointless if it didn't provide directional information in ''two'' axes, as well as the distance. Even without a useful expansion of the acronym, it should be abundantly clear that these would be the three values present in the reading for a single DRADIS contact. -- [[User:Cmr|Cmr]]

:Indeed, Gaeta has given three-value coordinates when it's been relevant — in Act of Contrition and Resistance.

:Just an interesting note - Bearing and Carom are clearly not measured in degrees. We've seen bearings up to 881 (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down) and caroms up 552 (Flight of the Phoenix). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:38, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:"Range" and "distance" are still synonyms in 3 dimensions. Yes, there are 3 numbers for spherical coordinates, but '''2''' of them are direction; the other one is range (and distance, since they're the same thing). --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:29, 5 January 2006 (EST)

::I understood your point the first time, and wasn't trying to contradict it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:39, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:::If you're addressing me, I'm somewhat confused. I don't recall saying that before, and I was responding to Cmr. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 00:07, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:: my point is just that this article can describe what DRADIS measures, and how, without expanding the acronym. is the early teleplay manuscript the only source for Direction, RAnge, and DIStance? if so, it seems like this is, at best, something less than canonical. [[User:Cmr|Cmr]] 17:35, 15 January 2006 (EST)

==Radar==
Spencerian, why did you revert Wingsandsword's note about the "radar" reference in "The Hand of God"? The dialogue in question goes like this:

:'''Thrace:''' The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme radar range from the Cylon asteroid. Galactica will jump here, close enough to launch its Vipers at the base.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:07, 10 January 2006 (EST)

: There has been some healthy discussion of this point on my talk page, and for the record it is at 11:53 into the episode, and her exact line is what Peter Farago said it was. It's also on the closed captioning. It's likely to be a goof, but it could be interpreted that "radar" is a slang or mostly-disused term for the more technically accurate Dradis. --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 14:37, 10 January 2006 (EST)
::Her "exact line" is still subject to debate: DVD subtitles aren't always reliable, and when I saw it again on my DVD it ''sounded'' like she said "Raider", not radar. "Radar" probably isn't a slang term because I think they're more careful about these things and that it is not, indeed a goof. Others please rewatch this scene. I'm not exact on how ''all'' DVD subtitles are made, but on many I've had in the past they were really just made by people that watched the episode writing down dialog, rather than on a script of some form. They aren't really reliable. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:06, 10 January 2006 (EST)

Talk:DRADIS/Archive 1

2006-01-15T22:35:02Z

Cmr:

It is stated that DRADIS stands for 'Direction RAnge and DIStance'.

Should it not be 'Direction RAnge Detection and Identification System' This still has the acronym DRADIS?

:I'd be happy to see a source for this term; I'd rather not make it up if RDM has the acronym down. He's normally not into this inane level of techno-fanboy detail, so we'll have to see. Better to keep this one to what we know. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)0

::Agreed, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:43, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT):

:: We need a definite and official source for what this term means. Personally, I don't believe that it is well defined, if at all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)

"Range" and "Distance" are indeed redundant in their most common sense, but in space, a system like this would be pretty much pointless if it didn't provide directional information in ''two'' axes, as well as the distance. Even without a useful expansion of the acronym, it should be abundantly clear that these would be the three values present in the reading for a single DRADIS contact. -- [[User:Cmr|Cmr]]

:Indeed, Gaeta has given three-value coordinates when it's been relevant — in Act of Contrition and Resistance.

:Just an interesting note - Bearing and Carom are clearly not measured in degrees. We've seen bearings up to 881 (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down) and caroms up 552 (Flight of the Phoenix). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:38, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:"Range" and "distance" are still synonyms in 3 dimensions. Yes, there are 3 numbers for spherical coordinates, but '''2''' of them are direction; the other one is range (and distance, since they're the same thing). --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:29, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:: my point is just that this article can describe what DRADIS measures, and how, without expanding the acronym. is the early teleplay manuscript the only source for Direction, RAnge, and DIStance? if so, it seems like this is, at best, something less than canonical. [[User:Cmr|Cmr]] 17:35, 15 January 2006 (EST)

::I understood your point the first time, and wasn't trying to contradict it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:39, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:::If you're addressing me, I'm somewhat confused. I don't recall saying that before, and I was responding to Cmr. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 00:07, 6 January 2006 (EST)

==Radar==
Spencerian, why did you revert Wingsandsword's note about the "radar" reference in "The Hand of God"? The dialogue in question goes like this:

:'''Thrace:''' The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme radar range from the Cylon asteroid. Galactica will jump here, close enough to launch its Vipers at the base.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:07, 10 January 2006 (EST)

: There has been some healthy discussion of this point on my talk page, and for the record it is at 11:53 into the episode, and her exact line is what Peter Farago said it was. It's also on the closed captioning. It's likely to be a goof, but it could be interpreted that "radar" is a slang or mostly-disused term for the more technically accurate Dradis. --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 14:37, 10 January 2006 (EST)
::Her "exact line" is still subject to debate: DVD subtitles aren't always reliable, and when I saw it again on my DVD it ''sounded'' like she said "Raider", not radar. "Radar" probably isn't a slang term because I think they're more careful about these things and that it is not, indeed a goof. Others please rewatch this scene. I'm not exact on how ''all'' DVD subtitles are made, but on many I've had in the past they were really just made by people that watched the episode writing down dialog, rather than on a script of some form. They aren't really reliable. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:06, 10 January 2006 (EST)

Colonial wireless alphabet

2006-01-14T04:43:55Z

Cmr: echo

{{shortcut|CWA}}

The '''Colonial wireless alphabet''' is a means of communicating letters via words, thus permitting clarity when communicating spellings over [[wireless]]. This is similar to the [[Wikipedia:NATO phonetic alphabet|NATO phonetic alphabet]] used for [[Wikipedia:radio|radio]] communications.

The following is a list of words used in the CWA. At present, only seven have been [[canon]]ically identified.

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; border: 1px #A60003 solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;"
|-
! Letter !!align=left| Word !!align=left| Pronunciation
|-
|align=center|'''A'''||Alpha {{ref|bastille}}{{ref|scattered}} || {{IPA|ˈæl.fə}}
|-
|align=center|'''B'''||Bravo {{ref_label|bastille|1|a}} {{ref|hog}} || {{IPA|ˈbɹɑ.voʊ}}
|-
|align=center|'''C'''||Constellation {{ref_label|bastille|1|b}} {{ref_label|hog|3|a}} {{ref|mini}} || {{IPA|ˌcɑn.stə.ˈleɪ.ʃən}}
|-
|align=center|'''D'''||Delta {{ref_label|hog|3|b}} || {{IPA|ˈdɛl.tə}}
|-
|align=center|'''E'''||Echo {{ref_label|rs2|5}} || {{IPA|ˈɛ.koʊ}}
|-
|align=center|'''N'''||Nebula {{ref_label|hog|3|c}} {{ref_label|mini|4|a}} || {{IPA|ˈnɛb.ju.lə}}
|-
|align=center|'''S'''||Sierra {{ref_label|scattered|2|a}} || {{IPA|si.ˈɛɹˌɹə}}
|}

== Notes ==

*In the NATO phonetic alphabet, "Alpha" is spelled "Alfa", in consideration of Spanish orthography. Depending on how literally one interprets certain scenes, Spanish (or a language represented by Spanish) may be [[Language in the Twelve Colonies#Spanish Accent|spoken]] in the twelve colonies. Our use of the traditional English spelling here is somewhat arbitrary.
*"Wilco" is not a CWA letter code. It is used by the Colonials in place of "roger".
*"Colonial wireless alphabet" is a descriptive term, not a [[canon|canonical]] designation.
*While the Colonial wireless alphabet has some terms in common with the NATO phonetic alphabet, there are a few used by NATO which are highly unlikely to be used by Colonial forces. Specifically, India and Quebec (as they are locations on Earth), Romeo and Juliet (Shakespeare lived and wrote on Earth), and Yankee and Zulu (as they refer to specific peoples of Earth).

== Sources ==
#{{note|bastille}}{{note_label|bastille|1|a}}{{note_label|bastille |1|b}}'''Kara Thrace:''' Three assault teams, Alpha, Bravo, Constellation. ([[Bastille Day]])
#{{note|scattered}}{{note_label|scattered|2|a}}'''Lee Adama:''' Sierra Alpha, we got a new bogey. ([[Scattered]])
#{{note|hog}}{{note_label|hog|3|a}}{{note_label|hog|3|b}}{{note_label|hog|3|c}}'''Freighter Pilot #1:''' Carrier constellation, jump complete on station, point deacon. Initiate search pattern delta.<br>'''Freighter Pilot #2:''' Ore flight bravo, delta, wilco.<br>'''Freighter Pilot #3:''' Ore flight nebula, delta initiated. ([[The Hand of God]])
#{{note|mini}}{{note_label|mini|4|a}}'''Galen Tyrol:''' If the commander will take a closer look at the tail numbering... Nebula Seven Two Four Two Constellation. ([[Mini-Series]])
#{{note|rs2}}{{note_label|rs2|5|}} '''Commander Adama:''' Order batteries alpha through echo to switch to salvo fire. ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])

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Talk:The Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game/Archive 1

2006-01-04T22:13:44Z

Cmr:

I see no valid reason to delete this page. — [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 21:21, 4 December 2005 (EST)

Have a little fun, Ricimer. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:58, 4 December 2005 (EST)

Yeah, man. I quite enjoyed the examples of Helo being an idiot. The only beef I'd give any creedence to would be if someone else had an equally valid, but mutually exclusive Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game, then I'd say we should call this one "'''A''' Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game" or just make a page called "Battlestar Galactica Drinking Games". However, that's not a concern, yet, is it? And it's not as if the only purpose of this list of things is to promote alcoholism or drunkeness... This is a tongue-in-cheek way of noting the over-used elements in ''Battlestar''. It might even be considered, gasp, thoughtful. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:17, 5 December 2005 (EST)

I said '''no'''. I am putting my foot ''down''. The Toaster page was bad enough. This page should be deleted. It's place is not here. Joe, please chime in on this one. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:05, 5 December 2005 (EST)

: <s>I need to think about it before making a definite decision...</s> I thought about it and the page, despite its present humor, is actually a valid article on recurring plot points and issues in BSG. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:28, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::To comment more seriously: I enjoy the fact that we don't have to be deathly serious here all the time, and have a few places to blow off a little steam. These areas are all well-segregated from the main content of the wikI. I'm sorry that the very existence of these pages seems to trouble Ricimer so deeply, but I must point out that users who do not find them amusing are entirely free to ignore them. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:04, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::While some of the items are a tad off-color, they aren't vile or patently offensive. (If the subject matter was truly offensive, it would not have even ''aired''). We can still use a little levity, so long as its properly segregated in the Silly Pages category. I would like the "source" of this game, however, even if its just an internet link. I, for one, think its suitably funny. I second Peter on this. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:49, 5 December 2005 (EST)
:::I think it's suitably funny as a piece of trivia arrising out of the BSG fandom. Perhaps we could start a section on non-canonical trivia, in order to keep things in their right place. I know there are the "silly" pages but the drinking game is something created by fans outside of the wiki, not unlike fanfiction and 3D meshes. --[[User:MASON|Mason]] 09:58, 5 December 2005 (EST)
::::I just reread it again and tears came from my eyes when I hit the Helo stuff. ("Territory issues..." HAH!) It's not just the old "Hi, Bob" drinking game of The Bob Newhart Show working here; Mason hit it on the nose that this does point out what few elemental contrivances in the show are getting a bit overused. This is a good place for us to point these out, as I just did. If nothing else, we can rename this to "Overused Character and Plot Elements" (with the current article name as the subtitle). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:20, 5 December 2005 (EST)
:::::There is no source, FYI. This was just me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:04, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::::::Okie-dokie. We can credit Peter and perhaps Jack (Daniels) or Old Grandad for the interesting article... :) You can blame me and Starbuck (the coffee, not the pilot) for my contributions. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:55, 5 December 2005 (EST)

:::::I like what Mason said --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:53, 5 December 2005 (EST)

We should retitle this, "Col. Tigh's Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 18:10, 9 December 2005 (EST)
: Indeed. But I find it a bit daunting. I suspect I would die if I followed every rule to the letter. -- [[User:Cmr|Cmr]]

Can we add to this? One that I'd like to include is "Billy and Dee stare at each other like two teenagers but never actually do anything." --[[Ltcrashdown]] 20:24, 1 January 2006 (EST)

: Well, this ''is'' a wiki. Feel free to add it, man. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:41, 1 January 2006 (EST)

Talk:DRADIS/Archive 1

2006-01-04T21:39:43Z

Cmr: