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User talk:Bull

2006-12-13T06:58:10Z

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== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
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We look forward to your contributions to the community!
--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:58, 13 December 2006 (CST)

User talk:Zakalwe

2006-12-10T16:51:25Z

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== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
Welcome to the Wiki, Zakalwe. Feel free to tell us about yourself on [[User:Zakalwe|your user page]]. Before you get started on other edits, please read the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]], which details the policies we use in editing pages (this differs from many other wikis in its particular use of verb tense, abbreviations, formatting, and the like). If you need help in learning how to use the MediaWiki tools supported here, you can check out the [[BW:TUT|tutorial]] and the [[BW:MARK|wiki markup code]] pages for assistance.

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We look forward to your contributions to the community!
--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 10:51, 10 December 2006 (CST)

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"After reviewing [[William Adama|your]] logs, it is my judgment that having [[Lee Adama|your son]] as ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' [[CAG]] has been a grave mistake. He's been 'insubordinate, even mutinous,' and these are direct quotes from your logs, by the way. And I dare say he's not the only one with disciplinary problems. There's a [[Kara Thrace]] who 'habitually strikes fellow officers and disobeys orders.' This Lieutenant [[Karl Agathon|Agathon]] has 'fraternized with and evidently impregnated an [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|enemy agent]].' Let's not even discuss your [[Saul Tigh|XO]]..." 
--Admiral [[Helena Cain]] (''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'')

Adamastache

2006-12-07T23:01:48Z

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[[Image:Adamastache.jpg|thumb|right|Closeup of the Adamastache]]

'''Adamastache''' is the facial hair adorning Admiral [[William Adama]]'s upper lip.

The Adamastache first appears to us after the one-year jump in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" but meets an untimely demise at the beginning of [[Season 3|Season Three]] in the episode "[[Exodus, Part II]]." While the shaving of the Adamastache was possibly symbolic of a new beginning for the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]], we also learn through flashbacks in the episode, "[[Unfinished Business]]," that it was also party to a "laid-back" Adama and possibly played a role in the alleged nookie between the Admiral and [[Laura Roslin]] on [[New Caprica]].

A [[Wikipedia:Moustache|Moustache]] has historically indicated the man wearing it was a soldier. As ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' had jumped away from the civilians, Adama's role during the time immediately before he shaved it was purely military. Though clearly he didn't originally grow it to symbolize that he was solely a military man without the civilian population, shaving it could still serve as a sign that, with civil authority restored, he is again bound by more than military objectives. Also, it helped get the nookie when he didn't see Roslin so often, but, now that they interact professionally and frequently once more, it's no longer needed.

==See also==

* Baltar's [[Sexy Treason Stubble]]
* Tyrol's [[Beard of Organized Labor]]

==External links==

* [http://www.myspace.com/xena420 Adamastache on MySpace]

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Talk:Stealth Star

2006-12-06T04:25:34Z

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Talk:Stealthstar/Archive 1

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== FTL Drive? ==
How are we so certain that this recon craft had a FTL drive? If I recall, such a topic wasn't mentioned, and we didn't see it in use. Judging from discourse, it would seem that the stealth craft was berthed aboard ''Valkyrie'' and was launched to the theatre from there. I'm not against it having one, but I would advocate to classifying this to "Undetermined" until someone at the "Head Office" states otherwise. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 12:01, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:I agree, it was my fault i copied and pasted the template from another ship and forgot to take that line out. I will do it now. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 19:46, 18 November 2006 (CST)
==stealth ships==
The Blackbird and prototype Colonial stealthstar craft may constructed by Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including Columbia, Atlantia, and Pegasus (Resistance). He has served under William Adama on Galactica for five years.he know someting about second prototype stealthstar.Why did the Cylons have one craft jump in and fire on the stealth star and then jump out, then sending two more ships to finish the attack? first attack is real cylon or another stealth craft order to provoke a war.-- [[User:mustah|mustah]]

:Intereesting speculation Mustah, but episode information indicates that Tyrol was trying only to make a Viper replacement. Because of material limitations, they had to use different engines (which changed the vehicle from a true fighter to a recon craft) and used carbon composites and not precious metal (which gave it the stealth abilities). It was Helo who thought of the use of composites. We have no official information that Tyrol knew of (or could conceive of building anything resembling) the Stealth Star. The Cylons did what they did to minimize intelligence on their fighters as they planned for war, and reinforces the fact that the Colonials have not ''seen'' any Cylons for 40 years, not even a glimpse, until the miniseries.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:37, 1 December 2006 (CST)

== Naming ==

I refer you to our discussion at Wikipedia ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_miscellaneous_ships_in_Battlestar_Galactica_%282004%29#Stealth Star or Stealthstar]) - What should it be named here? [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 12:24, 1 December 2006 (CST)

:We've a redirect for "Stealthstar," but the source would be good to know. I suspect we used the captioning for this spelling. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:29, 1 December 2006 (CST)
:As I recall, when I named the page, I merely made it so that the words were separate. To be honest, the only on-screen evidence we have is on the dradis display with the abbrieviated form (S-Star). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:53, 1 December 2006 (CST)
:Adendum: Having read over the Wikipedia talk page, it occurs to me that there is an assumption that just because basestar and battlestar are not separated by spaces logically means that the stealth star must follow. While this might make superficial sense, my issue with the spelling has more to do with how the abbreviation was read on the dradis readout. (And, technically, we should probably name the article "Stealth-Star".) However, let's pose the question to [[BW:OC]] and see what the response is on it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:16, 1 December 2006 (CST)
::for all we know the monitors can't render two SS' hehe, anyway would be nice to get it clarified by the Bradley guy.. :-) [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 13:20, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Stealth Star

2006-12-06T04:25:34Z

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#REDIRECT [[Stealthstar]]

Stealthstar

2006-12-06T04:25:34Z

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{{Ship Data
| image= 3x8-Stealth-Star-7746VA.jpg
| title= Stealthstar (7746VA)
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl=
| crew= 1 pilot
| role= Stealth infiltrator
| weapons=
| status= Destroyed
| img= Y
}}

'''Stealthstar''' 7746VA was a designation used by a Colonial stealth craft.

Lieutenant [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] from [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] ''[[Valkyrie]]'' piloted a stealth recon craft, designated ''Stealthstar'', across the [[Armistice Line]] in order to determine whether or not the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] were performing a military buildup ([[Hero]]).

During the mission, the Stealthstar had open comm channels and was actively monitoring DRADIS, perhaps in an attempt to lure the Cylons with the intent of going silent at the first sign of trouble. Its position was clearly visible to Valkyrie's DRADIS. However, the Stealthstar was interdicted by a craft of unknown designation (presumably Cylon) which quickly jumped in and out. This resulted in severe damage before its stealth functions were fully utilized.

==Notes==
* The Stealthstar utilized the [[Viper Mark VII|Viper Mk VII]] cockpit for interior scenes.
* On ''Valkyrie'''s [[Dradis]], the ship was designated as "S-Star".
* The Stealthstar is a redress of the [[Blackbird]]. <ref name="podcast">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero | act = 2 | id =stealthredress| timestamp = 00:25:14 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref>

== See also ==
* [[Blackbird]], the first Colonial stealth craft introduced in the series.

== Related Imagery ==
<gallery>
Image:3x8-Stealth-Star-7746VA (2).jpg|Clearly showing the ship number as 7746VA
Image:3x8-Stealth-Star-Cockpit.jpg|Cockpit view
Image:3x8-Stealth-Star-Winged.jpg|Winged and spiraling out of control
</gallery>

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

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Stealthstar

2006-12-06T04:22:38Z

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Battlestar Wiki:Galactipedians Quorum

2006-11-26T23:38:46Z

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== Scifipedia ==

It seems Sci Fi has set up their own wiki, and looking through there I saw some articles which were, while not text-for-text copies, strongly influenced by our setup here. Is this a problem, or can we just let it pass by? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:47, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:Which articles? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:53, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::[[Scifipedia:Aaron Douglas|Aaron Douglas]], for one. Let me find a few more. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:57, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:::[[Scifipedia:Katee Sackhoff|Katee Sackhoff]] is eerily similar to ours, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:00, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Well, at first, I was going to say they probably just used an appropriate license, but [[Scifipedia:SCIFIPEDIA:Terms of Use|SCIFIPEDIA:Terms of Use]] definitely means they don't. This is a problem, as the content there clearly infringes. The same user originated both of the example articles, and they show clear similarity in a way suggesting an attempt to disguise the copying or a very poor effort to paraphase. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:26, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Let's have Joe notified on this. They (in proxy) own the rights to talk about the show, but not to copy from other wikis if they are going to respect the MediaWiki process and the licensing. Oh, this isn't new: Wikipedia contributors have greatly boosted many articles from us as well. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:26, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::Yeah, I know it's not new, but I figured it should be brought up. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:21, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:I've been aware of the growing issue. Scifi claims that they are the ones who wrote the original articles, such as the one on [[Edward James Olmos]]. Right now, I need help gathering evidence to the contrary -- please feel free to either e-mail me or post any evidence here. Since my time is now getting extremely limited, I need help in this. Thank you! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:20, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
::Both the BSWiki and Scifipedia use MediaWiki and both has history showing page edits. Its obviously which site wrote it first and which one just edited in large chunks. Someone really needs to give JohnRDouglas a kick up the bum. Of course its a bit of a dilema because if SciFi really wanted to they could force us to pull virtually all our content, or at the very least the images. We dont want to piss them off, but at the same time, they cant go around using material written by other people. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 19:37, 13 November 2006 (CST)

== german Battlestar Wiki ==
Again german Battlestar Wiki was the first, who aired a german description of the new episode [[Exodus, Part II]]. Thank you to all of you, who aired the english description very fast and made this translation possible. :o) -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 14:30, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:''Danke'', Tirkon and to everyone as well. Folks like yourself on the Internationalization project are some of our most remarkable contributors because you have to manage up to 3 separate versions, while us meager English users just have our place. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:49, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

== Miniseries Standardization ==

Of all the episode articles, the Miniseries article is most nonstandard, with much information that has been discussed ''ad nauseum'' in many other articles on Battlestar Wiki. As with any episode article, the content should reflect the parts aired, the significant summary of events, and brief questions and analysis generated by the initial broadcast (many of which has been answered).

The current format has extended analysis in the second part, most of which is painfully redundant with [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] and many, many other articles. I will be revising both parts to reflect their episodic nature, separating the events in each part, with questions and analysis for each episode. The articles will be renamed based on our current naming procedure in managing multi-part episodes. Both parts will avoid extended questions and analysis as much from the miniseries has been answered, but will point to the episodes and other articles that answer these questions. Any topics or sections that discuss the overall changes between the Re-imagined Series and Original Series will be moved to [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] if the item is not already present. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:28, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

:The [[Cylons (RDM)]] article seems as an introduction to the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] as well. Further I also think, that the term [[Cylon Agent]] is at the latest obsolete now. Caprica-Six, Galactica-Sharon and Caprica Sharon are the first examples against. Especially Caprica-Sharon could be called a "human agent" now. A Number Five shot Caprica Six because she helped Baltar. German version had the "mercy of the late birth" and did not use the term from the beginning ;o) -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 11:34, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Special Number Three in third season ==

Since the third season we have one [[Number Three]] Character who played and will probably play in future a special role. If I remember correct, it was the same Three, who was slain by Six in [[Downloaded]]. We heard that the oracle said, she never should hold the child, because everything will change then. But she did. The first consequence was, that she did not nuke the town. I think, now at the latest we should give her a special name. In the describtions it would be much easier, to identify her. What do you think? And what is about [[Caprica-Three]], because she was introduced there? -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 11:18, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Images ==

I am not sure why, but my entires on Valkyrie, Eugene Novacek and Admiral Corman which were primarily just images uploaded onto the pages were deleted...I don't get it, doesn't it help to have pictures to refer to the subject the page is discussing. If it is a matter of spoiling future episodes with these pictures, readers are imformed at the top of the page which all of the above mentioned pages have, that the page is a spoiler. If it is my own fault for not siting where i got the images taking them down isn't exactly the answer, why not modify them yourselves. I realize I am a huge amateur so, discussing this for me will help myself and possibly others.
:It's not a spoiler issue at all, and your efforts are appreciated. In this case I believe it was simply a matter of the images being duplicates of images already previously uploaded. I'll see if I can track down the image names so that the articles that you mention can be corrected. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:49, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:Apparently they can be found at [[md:User:Shane/gallery|Shane's gallery]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:55, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Firefly class ==

I have what might be a dumb question, and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here it is: Does anyone think it would be a good idea to create an article for Firefly-class transports? I mean, a Firefly class ship could be seen in the skies of Caprica in the miniseries, so it might be worthy of an article. The reason I am asking is because the Star Wars Wiki has an article for Firefly class ships (see: [[Wookiepedia:Firefly-class mid-bulk transport|Firefly-class mid-bulk transport]]). Basically, since a Firefly-class ship was shown on a single panel of a Star Wars Webstrip, it was deemed worthy of it's own article on the Star Wars Wiki, so I was thinking that since a Firefly could be seen in the Galactica miniseries, it might be worth an article here as well. Just thought I would ask about it. [[User:NickScryer|NickScryer]] 19:38, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:The appearance of that ship is noted in [[Re-imagined Series References#Miniseries|our "Easter Egg"]] article (though we still need to come up with a way to increase the exposure to that article). ''Enterprise'' also made an appearance in the miniseries, but those cameos were both obvious tributes, and neither of those ships was ever to be seen again. Should either of those craft make another appearance we'll know for certain that they were intended to be canon, but until that point it'd probably be best to err on the side of caution and assume that they are just one-shot gags from the VFX guys at Zoic. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:As Spencerian said, these were likely one-time cameos. There's very little need to add individual articles about them, when the [[Re-imagined Series References]] would more than suffice. Also, other than a brief appearance, what else of an in-universe nature would there be to say about ''Serenity'' or ''Enterprise''? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:52, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::The amusing part is that the footage with the Enterpise in it (the first fleet shot at the end of the Miniseries) is in the opening credits of each episode with, if I remember correctly, the exception of the New Caprica ones. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:58, 13 November 2006 (CST)

==Formatting box==
This isn't really a question about the wiki per se, but I thought this would be the most appropriate place to ask. I'm one of the admins over at the Star Trek Expanded Universe wiki, which, if you didn't know, is the fanfic/fan film counterpart to Memory Alpha. I was wondering how I would go about having the box below the editing field with all of the formatting shortcuts added to my wiki. Considering that I'm also the rank archivist for the wiki, it's extremely agitating to have to type out the <nowiki></nowiki> tags every time I'm writing something about the different grades of Petty Officers and Second/First Lieutenants. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 15:24, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:It's at [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] on this wiki, and it should be in the same place at your own wiki, assuming it runs on MediaWiki. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 17:38, 26 November 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki:Galactipedians Quorum

2006-11-26T23:36:59Z

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== Scifipedia ==

It seems Sci Fi has set up their own wiki, and looking through there I saw some articles which were, while not text-for-text copies, strongly influenced by our setup here. Is this a problem, or can we just let it pass by? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:47, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:Which articles? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:53, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::[[Scifipedia:Aaron Douglas|Aaron Douglas]], for one. Let me find a few more. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:57, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:::[[Scifipedia:Katee Sackhoff|Katee Sackhoff]] is eerily similar to ours, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:00, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Well, at first, I was going to say they probably just used an appropriate license, but [[Scifipedia:SCIFIPEDIA:Terms of Use|SCIFIPEDIA:Terms of Use]] definitely means they don't. This is a problem, as the content there clearly infringes. The same user originated both of the example articles, and they show clear similarity in a way suggesting an attempt to disguise the copying or a very poor effort to paraphase. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:26, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Let's have Joe notified on this. They (in proxy) own the rights to talk about the show, but not to copy from other wikis if they are going to respect the MediaWiki process and the licensing. Oh, this isn't new: Wikipedia contributors have greatly boosted many articles from us as well. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:26, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::Yeah, I know it's not new, but I figured it should be brought up. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:21, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:I've been aware of the growing issue. Scifi claims that they are the ones who wrote the original articles, such as the one on [[Edward James Olmos]]. Right now, I need help gathering evidence to the contrary -- please feel free to either e-mail me or post any evidence here. Since my time is now getting extremely limited, I need help in this. Thank you! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:20, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
::Both the BSWiki and Scifipedia use MediaWiki and both has history showing page edits. Its obviously which site wrote it first and which one just edited in large chunks. Someone really needs to give JohnRDouglas a kick up the bum. Of course its a bit of a dilema because if SciFi really wanted to they could force us to pull virtually all our content, or at the very least the images. We dont want to piss them off, but at the same time, they cant go around using material written by other people. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 19:37, 13 November 2006 (CST)

== german Battlestar Wiki ==
Again german Battlestar Wiki was the first, who aired a german description of the new episode [[Exodus, Part II]]. Thank you to all of you, who aired the english description very fast and made this translation possible. :o) -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 14:30, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:''Danke'', Tirkon and to everyone as well. Folks like yourself on the Internationalization project are some of our most remarkable contributors because you have to manage up to 3 separate versions, while us meager English users just have our place. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:49, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

== Miniseries Standardization ==

Of all the episode articles, the Miniseries article is most nonstandard, with much information that has been discussed ''ad nauseum'' in many other articles on Battlestar Wiki. As with any episode article, the content should reflect the parts aired, the significant summary of events, and brief questions and analysis generated by the initial broadcast (many of which has been answered).

The current format has extended analysis in the second part, most of which is painfully redundant with [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] and many, many other articles. I will be revising both parts to reflect their episodic nature, separating the events in each part, with questions and analysis for each episode. The articles will be renamed based on our current naming procedure in managing multi-part episodes. Both parts will avoid extended questions and analysis as much from the miniseries has been answered, but will point to the episodes and other articles that answer these questions. Any topics or sections that discuss the overall changes between the Re-imagined Series and Original Series will be moved to [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] if the item is not already present. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:28, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

:The [[Cylons (RDM)]] article seems as an introduction to the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] as well. Further I also think, that the term [[Cylon Agent]] is at the latest obsolete now. Caprica-Six, Galactica-Sharon and Caprica Sharon are the first examples against. Especially Caprica-Sharon could be called a "human agent" now. A Number Five shot Caprica Six because she helped Baltar. German version had the "mercy of the late birth" and did not use the term from the beginning ;o) -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 11:34, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Special Number Three in third season ==

Since the third season we have one [[Number Three]] Character who played and will probably play in future a special role. If I remember correct, it was the same Three, who was slain by Six in [[Downloaded]]. We heard that the oracle said, she never should hold the child, because everything will change then. But she did. The first consequence was, that she did not nuke the town. I think, now at the latest we should give her a special name. In the describtions it would be much easier, to identify her. What do you think? And what is about [[Caprica-Three]], because she was introduced there? -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 11:18, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Images ==

I am not sure why, but my entires on Valkyrie, Eugene Novacek and Admiral Corman which were primarily just images uploaded onto the pages were deleted...I don't get it, doesn't it help to have pictures to refer to the subject the page is discussing. If it is a matter of spoiling future episodes with these pictures, readers are imformed at the top of the page which all of the above mentioned pages have, that the page is a spoiler. If it is my own fault for not siting where i got the images taking them down isn't exactly the answer, why not modify them yourselves. I realize I am a huge amateur so, discussing this for me will help myself and possibly others.
:It's not a spoiler issue at all, and your efforts are appreciated. In this case I believe it was simply a matter of the images being duplicates of images already previously uploaded. I'll see if I can track down the image names so that the articles that you mention can be corrected. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:49, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:Apparently they can be found at [[md:User:Shane/gallery|Shane's gallery]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:55, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Firefly class ==

I have what might be a dumb question, and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here it is: Does anyone think it would be a good idea to create an article for Firefly-class transports? I mean, a Firefly class ship could be seen in the skies of Caprica in the miniseries, so it might be worthy of an article. The reason I am asking is because the Star Wars Wiki has an article for Firefly class ships (see: [[Wookiepedia:Firefly-class mid-bulk transport|Firefly-class mid-bulk transport]]). Basically, since a Firefly-class ship was shown on a single panel of a Star Wars Webstrip, it was deemed worthy of it's own article on the Star Wars Wiki, so I was thinking that since a Firefly could be seen in the Galactica miniseries, it might be worth an article here as well. Just thought I would ask about it. [[User:NickScryer|NickScryer]] 19:38, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:The appearance of that ship is noted in [[Re-imagined Series References#Miniseries|our "Easter Egg"]] article (though we still need to come up with a way to increase the exposure to that article). ''Enterprise'' also made an appearance in the miniseries, but those cameos were both obvious tributes, and neither of those ships was ever to be seen again. Should either of those craft make another appearance we'll know for certain that they were intended to be canon, but until that point it'd probably be best to err on the side of caution and assume that they are just one-shot gags from the VFX guys at Zoic. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:As Spencerian said, these were likely one-time cameos. There's very little need to add individual articles about them, when the [[Re-imagined Series References]] would more than suffice. Also, other than a brief appearance, what else of an in-universe nature would there be to say about ''Serenity'' or ''Enterprise''? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:52, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::The amusing part is that the footage with the Enterpise in it (the first fleet shot at the end of the Miniseries) is in the opening credits of each episode with, if I remember correctly, the exception of the New Caprica ones. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:58, 13 November 2006 (CST)

==Formatting box==
This isn't really a question about the wiki per se, but I thought this would be the most appropriate place to ask. I'm one of the admins over at the Star Trek Expanded Universe wiki, which, if you didn't know, is the fanfic/fan film counterpart to Memory Alpha. I was wondering how I would go about having the box below the editing field with all of the formatting shortcuts added to my wiki. Considering that I'm also the rank archivist for the wiki, it's extremely agitating to have to type out the <nowiki></nowiki> tags every time I'm writing something about the different grades of Petty Officers and Second/First Lieutenants. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 15:24, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:It's at [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] on this wiki, and the same at your own wiki, assuming you have the MediaWiki software running it.

User talk:Ozxzy

2006-11-22T20:52:57Z

CalculatinAvatar: welcome

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
Welcome to the Wiki, Ozxzy. Feel free to tell us about yourself on [[User:Ozxzy|your user page]]. Before you get started on other edits, please read the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]], which details the policies we use in editing pages (this differs from many other wikis in its particular use of verb tense, abbreviations, formatting, and the like). If you need help in learning how to use the MediaWiki tools supported here, you can check out the [[BW:TUT|tutorial]] and the [[BW:MARK|wiki markup code]] pages for assistance.

Please read the articles [[Battlestar Wiki:What is Battlestar Wiki|"What is Battlestar Wiki"]] and [[Battlestar Wiki:What Battlestar Wiki is not|"What Battlestar Wiki is Not."]] This important information details what contributions are acceptable in this encyclopedia.

We encourage you to participate in any [[Battlestar Wiki:Project List|projects]] on Battlestar Wiki, which work to enhance a particular subject or extension of the wiki. These include the [[Battlestar Wiki:Original Series Article Development Project|Original Series Article Development Project]] and several [[Battlestar Wiki:Translation Project|language translations of Battlestar Wiki]]. If you have a new idea for a new project, visit the [[BW:TANK|Think Tank]], where we hash out large-scale ideas before implementing them.

Also, if you have any questions or suggestions you wish to offer, please feel free to do so either on an article's talk page that's relevant to the subject, the [[Battlestar Wiki:Wikipedian Quorum|Wikipedian Quorum]] or [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|the Administrators' noticeboard]]. Remember to sign your posts on any talk pages using four tildes (~~~~)!

We look forward to your contributions to the community!
--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:52, 22 November 2006 (CST)

User talk:Capedia

2006-11-22T20:52:55Z

CalculatinAvatar: welcome

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
Welcome to the Wiki, Capedia. Feel free to tell us about yourself on [[User:Capedia|your user page]]. Before you get started on other edits, please read the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]], which details the policies we use in editing pages (this differs from many other wikis in its particular use of verb tense, abbreviations, formatting, and the like). If you need help in learning how to use the MediaWiki tools supported here, you can check out the [[BW:TUT|tutorial]] and the [[BW:MARK|wiki markup code]] pages for assistance.

Please read the articles [[Battlestar Wiki:What is Battlestar Wiki|"What is Battlestar Wiki"]] and [[Battlestar Wiki:What Battlestar Wiki is not|"What Battlestar Wiki is Not."]] This important information details what contributions are acceptable in this encyclopedia.

We encourage you to participate in any [[Battlestar Wiki:Project List|projects]] on Battlestar Wiki, which work to enhance a particular subject or extension of the wiki. These include the [[Battlestar Wiki:Original Series Article Development Project|Original Series Article Development Project]] and several [[Battlestar Wiki:Translation Project|language translations of Battlestar Wiki]]. If you have a new idea for a new project, visit the [[BW:TANK|Think Tank]], where we hash out large-scale ideas before implementing them.

Also, if you have any questions or suggestions you wish to offer, please feel free to do so either on an article's talk page that's relevant to the subject, the [[Battlestar Wiki:Wikipedian Quorum|Wikipedian Quorum]] or [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|the Administrators' noticeboard]]. Remember to sign your posts on any talk pages using four tildes (~~~~)!

We look forward to your contributions to the community!
--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:52, 22 November 2006 (CST)

User talk:Masterofozxzy

2006-11-22T20:52:51Z

CalculatinAvatar: welcome

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
Welcome to the Wiki, Masterofozxzy. Feel free to tell us about yourself on [[User:Masterofozxzy|your user page]]. Before you get started on other edits, please read the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]], which details the policies we use in editing pages (this differs from many other wikis in its particular use of verb tense, abbreviations, formatting, and the like). If you need help in learning how to use the MediaWiki tools supported here, you can check out the [[BW:TUT|tutorial]] and the [[BW:MARK|wiki markup code]] pages for assistance.

Please read the articles [[Battlestar Wiki:What is Battlestar Wiki|"What is Battlestar Wiki"]] and [[Battlestar Wiki:What Battlestar Wiki is not|"What Battlestar Wiki is Not."]] This important information details what contributions are acceptable in this encyclopedia.

We encourage you to participate in any [[Battlestar Wiki:Project List|projects]] on Battlestar Wiki, which work to enhance a particular subject or extension of the wiki. These include the [[Battlestar Wiki:Original Series Article Development Project|Original Series Article Development Project]] and several [[Battlestar Wiki:Translation Project|language translations of Battlestar Wiki]]. If you have a new idea for a new project, visit the [[BW:TANK|Think Tank]], where we hash out large-scale ideas before implementing them.

Also, if you have any questions or suggestions you wish to offer, please feel free to do so either on an article's talk page that's relevant to the subject, the [[Battlestar Wiki:Wikipedian Quorum|Wikipedian Quorum]] or [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|the Administrators' noticeboard]]. Remember to sign your posts on any talk pages using four tildes (~~~~)!

We look forward to your contributions to the community!
--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:52, 22 November 2006 (CST)

The Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game

2006-11-17T06:27:18Z

CalculatinAvatar: /* ...Colonel Saul Tigh... */ add semi-relevant image and snippet of standard US alcoholic beverage warning label as caption

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''This page relates to heavy drinking (both of characters and wiki contributors) as a result of gaffes from the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information that will improve gnashing of your teeth or suicidal tendencies, please watch "[[Galactica 1980]]."'' 

[[Image:Tighsdrinking.jpg|right|300px|Bottoms up, Colonel.]]

Other TV shows have had [[Wikipedia:Drinking game|drinking games]] adapted from the venerable "Hi, Bob!" game, among others. The new "[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]" series has sadly failed to stop ''Battlestar Wiki's'' contributors from doing the same after noticing repeated plot points, parallels to current events, characterizations, and other silliness.

You might consider creating your own ''Cylon Shooters'' for use in the game by [[Cylon Shooter|following the recipe]] given by actors [[Grace Park]] and [[Tahmoh Penikett]].

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=='''''Take a drink every time...'''''==

=== ...Colonel Saul Tigh... ===
[[Image:Saulellen.jpg|thumb|right|"Consumption of [certain] beverages...may cause health problems."]]
*...drinks alcohol ([[Miniseries]], [[Fragged]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], etc.).
*...resolves to quit drinking.
*...is drunk on duty ([[Bastille Day]], [[Fragged]]).
*...questions Adama's orders.
*...complains about not wanting his own command ([[Scattered]]).
*...berates someone else for a flaw he has as well ([[Miniseries]]).
*...states or asks the obvious for purposes of exposition ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
*...orders someone report "to the brig" ([[Miniseries]], ''others'').
*...asks about shooting people for throwing coffee ([[Resistance_(episode)|Resistance]])
*...gives a remarkably stupid order to the crew.
*''Take a bonus drink if...''
**...a loss of life is involved ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]], [[Exodus, Part II]]).
**...a beloved character needlessly suffers for it ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).
**...[[Lee Adama]] is involved with the order ([[Fragged]]).
**...the Fleet tells him, collectively, to [[frak]] off ([[Fragged]]).
**...Commander Adama has to repair Tigh's frak-ups.
**...Tigh undermines his own reputation as a result ([[Miniseries]], [[Fragged]], [[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

=== ...Ellen Tigh... ===
*...makes sexual advances on someone other than Colonel Tigh ([[Colonial Day]], [[Sacrifice]], [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).
*...brokers for power ([[Colonial Day]]).
*...manipulates Colonel Tigh ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).
*...Fraks someone besides Colonel Tigh (A copy of Cavil, [[Occupation]])
*...Dies by Poison. ([[Exodus, Part II]])

=== ...Kara Thrace... ===
*...demonstrates yet another talent.
**Card Shark: "And the girl wins again! Another round?" ([[Water]])
**Sniper: "With all due respect, sir, I am the best shot in or out of the cockpit." ([[Bastille Day]])
**Painter: "You paint these, Kara? / Yeah." ([[Valley of Darkness]])
**Pro-level Pyramid Player: "I was scouted for the pros. Bum knee took me out of contention." ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])
**Poetry Buff: "You wouldn't know Caprican Poetry if it was hot-sidded across your helmet." / "'From the darkness you must fall - Failed and weak, to darkness all.' -[[Kataris]], not one of his better works" ([[Final Cut]])
*...steps out of the box to...
**...mate two Vipers nose-to-nose in combat ([[Miniseries]]).
**...jury-rig an enemy fighter ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).
**...uses an improvised weapon to kill or maim a Cylon ([[Flesh and Bone]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[The Farm]], [[Occupation]]).
**...outwit the Cylons via a clever plan of attack ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
***''Take a bonus drink if this is because she knows the Cylons would never overlook such an obvious blind spot ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).''
*...drinks as heavily as Col. Tigh ([[Scar]], [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*...assaults someone who outranks her ([[Miniseries]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).
*...is mistaken for a Cylon and nearly killed because of it ([[You Can't Go Home Again]], [[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]], [[Home, Part I]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
*...hops into bed on a barely-considered whim.
**Gaius Baltar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])
**Samuel Anders ([[The Farm]])
**Lee Adama ([[Scar]])
*...starts to unduly fawn over someone mere days after meeting them.
**Samuel Anders ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])
**Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|Part II]])
*...Taunts someone (Take your pick of episodes)

===...Lee Adama... ===
*...uses one of his dad's phrases ("Be careful out there", "roll the hard six")
*...completely oversteps his authority and/or commits mutiny
*...acts self-righteous or angsty towards his dad ([[Miniseries]], [[Bastille Day]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
*...has a near-death experience.
**Nearly killed by [[Cylon Raiders]] ([[Miniseries]], "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]")
**Almost left for dead ([[Miniseries]], "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]")
**Almost killed by a criminal mob or elements thereof ("[[Bastille Day]],", "[[Home, Part II]]," "[[Black Market]]").
**Almost killed by [[Cylon Centurion]]s ("[[Valley of Darkness]]," "[[Home, Part I]]")
**Almost killed by gangsters. ([[Black Market]])
*...shows angst about anything...''anything at all'' ('''''Just pick a frakking episode!''''')
*...is called a fatass ([[Occupation]]).

===...Kara Thrace and Lee Adama...===
*...stare at each other strangely for non-work-related reasons.
*...exchange blows
*...kiss
**''Take a bonus drink if they both kiss '''''and''''' exchange blows.''

===...Bill Adama...===
*...uses his Glare of Death.
**''Bonus drink if Cottle deflects it with his own Scowl of Intense Disapproval'' ([[The Captain's Hand]]).
*...stomps down ''Galactica'''s hallways.
*...waxes philosophically.
*...brings up his [[Joseph Adama|lawyer father]].
*...says either "as of this moment" or "moments ago" ([[Miniseries]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Epiphanies]])
*...expresses sympathy for the Cylons.
*...expresses an enthusiastic attitude toward killing Cylons.
**''Take a bonus drink if it is by trying kill a Cylon himself''
***''Finish the drink completely if he tries to kill the same Cylon he expressed sympathy for in a previous episode.''
*...agrees with, argues with, deposes, or kisses President Roslin.
*...appears on screen sporting a moustache.
*...does something "captainly", like crushing walnuts in his hand or building a model ship.
*...uses military action to resolve a situation.
*...makes a recklessly stupid command decision.
**Counterattacking the Cylons ([[Miniseries]])
**Wasting half the fleet's [[tylium|fuel]] looking for Starbuck ([[You Can't Go Home Again]])
**Arresting President Roslin ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
**Sending Marines to rescue Helo and the Chief from ''Pegasus'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])
**Arranging for the assassination of Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
**Jumping ''Galactica'' into the atmosphere of New Caprica ([[Exodus, Part II]])
**''Bonus drinks if a woman tries to reason with Adama.''
:*Roslin tells Adama, "The war is over, we lost", and "We need to start having babies" ([[Miniseries]])
:*Dualla tells Adama, "It's time to put the fleet back together" ([[Home, Part I]])
:*Roslin tells Adama, "[[Helena Cain|She]] is dangerous, and the only thing that you can do is hit her before she hits you," ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
:*Sharon tells Adama, "You said you never asked yourself why you deserve to survive." ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
::*''Finish your drink completely when, not if, Adama ultimately relents, echoing that woman's words to his officer(s).''
*...Rolls a "Hard Six"

=== ...Helo acts like an idiot... ===
*...fails to notice his robot girlfriend's glowing spine. ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
*...fails to realize his inexplicably nauseous robot girlfriend is pregnant ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).
*...shoots his pregnant robot girlfriend ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).
*...lets his pregnant robot girlfriend jack Starbuck's spaceship ([[Scattered]]).
*...is surprised that everyone wants to shoot or throw his pregnant robot girlfriend out an airlock ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Home, Part I]]).
*...fails to anticipate territory issues with his pregnant robot girlfriend's copy's former boyfriend ([[Home, Part II]]).

=== ...Chief Tyrol acts like a moron... ===
*...fails to notice his robot girlfriend's glowing spine. (off-screen)
*...makes out with a lieutenant against regulations ([[Litmus]]).
*...lies about making out with his robot girlfriend ([[Litmus]]).
*...lies when he says he never loved his robot girlfriend.
*...chews out a member of his crew who dare to show concern about his feelings about his robot girlfriend - or anything else, for that matter ([[Miniseries]], [[Flight of the Phoenix]]).
*...is proven to be an expert distiller ([[Litmus]], [[Flight of the Phoenix]], [[Pegasus_(episode)|Pegasus]]).
*...glares at or curses Colonel Tigh.
**...''or anyone else for that matter'' ("If I scratched everyone who popped off at the chief the cooks could be flying the planes" - Lee Adama, "[[Final Cut]]")

=== ...Dr. Cottle disrespects authority... ===
*...disregards President Roslin's office ([[Act of Contrition]])
*...undermines Cdr. Adama's authority ([[The_Captain's_Hand|The Captain's Hand]])
*...rebuffs a question from Col. Tigh with profanity ([[Fragged]])
*...ridicules Col. Tigh's command decisions ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])

===...Zarek makes a gambit for power...===
*...but loses.
**[[Colonial Day]]
**[[Home, Part I]]
**[[Home, Part II]]
*...and succeeds.
**[[Bastille Day]]
**[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
**[[Collaborators]]

=== ...a copy of [[Number Six]] dies... ===
*Nuked ([[Miniseries]], [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
**Take another drink if the nuke scene is repeated again in flashback ([[33]], [[Downloaded]])
*Shot ([[33]], [[Precipice]])
**Take a bonus drink if she is shot by a fellow Cylon.
*Impaled ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Extinguished ([[The Farm]])

=== ...a copy of Number Six becomes violent or threatens violence... ===
*Breaks a baby's neck ([[Miniseries]] as Caprica-Six)
*Screams in Baltar's face ([[Bastille Day]] as Baltar's internal Six)
*Beats the crap out of Caprica-Valerii ([[Litmus]] as [[Number Six#Caprican Overseer Copies|an overseer]])
*Threatens live-donor open heart surgery on Baltar ("As far as I'm concerned, you can have any woman you want. But always remember, I have your heart <nowiki>[...]</nowiki> I can always rip it out of your chest if I have to.") ([[Colonial Day]] as Baltar's internal Six)
*Chokes Baltar ([[Litmus]] as Baltar's internal Six)
*Smashes Baltar's face into a mirror ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]] as Baltar's internal Six)
*Kicks the hell out of Starbuck ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Tackles Baltar ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]] as [[Gina]])
*Breaks a guard's neck ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] as Gina)
*Shoots Admiral Cain ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] as Gina)
*Chokes Baltar with his tie ([[Epiphanies]])
*Shoves Baltar and bites his lip ([[Epiphanies]] as Gina)
*Cuts her own face ("[[Downloaded]]" as [[Caprica-Six]])
*Bashes [[Number Three]]'s head in with a rock ("[[Downloaded]]" as [[Caprica-Six]])
[[Image:Cloud9Destroyed.jpg|thumb|right|Kablooey!]]
''Take two bonus drinks if she goes nuclear.''
*Suicide-bombs ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' ("[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" as Gina)

=== ...[[Cylon-Related Hallucinations#Baltar's Internal Six|Baltar's internal Six]] appears at an inopportune moment... ===
''Take a bonus drink if...''
*...Baltar tries to subtly talk to both Six and real people at the same time (e.g. [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]: "I'm not your plaything!").
**''Take another drink if both Six and the "real" person or people Baltar is talking to respond the same way (e.g. "Plaything?").''
*...Six tries to engage Baltar in either sex or foreplay.
*...Baltar makes awkward attempts at excusing his odd behavior.
*...others comment on Baltar's sanity or lack thereof.
*...Six appears while he's in the bathroom.
*...Six appears after he's had sex with another woman.
*...Six appears naked.

=== ...someone kills a baby or threatens to do so. ===
*Caprica-Six ([[Miniseries]])
*Commander [[William Adama|Adama]], in [[Gaius Baltar]]'s dream on [[Kobol]] ([[Scattered]])
*Laura Roslin ([[Downloaded]])

=== ...anyone smokes (literally or figuratively)... ===
*Gaius Baltar
*Dr. Cottle
*Kara Thrace
*Specialist [[Prosna]]
*Lee Adama
*[[Socinus]] ([[Scattered]])

=== ...any male character sticks it in a [[toaster]]... ===
*Helo ([[Six Degrees of Separation]])
*Gaius Baltar ([[Miniseries]], [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
*Galen Tyrol ([[Miniseries]], [[Litmus]])
*A large number of men from battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus']]'' crew ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])
*[[Alistair Thorne]]

=== ...People get away with breaking the rules... ===
*Tyrol gets away with his hidden affair with Boomer, even when it leads to a security flaw that allows a Cylon suicide bomber to attack the ship ([[Litmus]])
*Starbuck gets away with stealing and ultimately losing ''Galactica'''s captured Cylon Raider. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])
*Boomer gets away with trying to kill herself and ends up on a vitally important mission ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]])
*Baltar gets away with murdering [[Crashdown]] ([[Fragged]])
*Apollo gets away with pulling a gun on Tigh ([[Scattered]]) and helping Roslin escape ([[Home, Part II]])
*Helo gets away with pulling a gun on Apollo ([[Home, Part I]])
*President Roslin ultimately gets away with subverting the boundary between military and civilian government ([[Home, Part II]]).
*Commander Adama ultimately gets away with subverting the boundary between military and civilian government ([[Litmus]], [[Home, Part II]]).
*[[Kat]] gets away with getting high on drugs during flight (reinstated in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")
*Starbuck gets away with (and gets promoted for) stealing the Blackbird to fly a photo recon mission that her CAG specifically took her off of ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
*Lee Adama gets away with law enforcement by summary execution ([[Black Market]])
*Lee gets away with making repeated visits to a prostitute ([[Black Market]])
*Kat gets away with punching Starbuck in the mouth ([[Scar]])
*Lee gets away with an affair with Dee, a fellow active duty soldier ([[The Captain's Hand]])
*Tyrol gets away with beating the crap out of someone with nothing more than a stern talking to from a [[Cavil|priest]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]])
*[[The Circle]] gets away with summarily executing 14 people ([[Collaborators]])
*[[Helo]] is not investigated after he asphyxiates the military assets, infected Cylons, that were going to be used to eliminate the Cylons as a threat to humanity ([[A Measure of Salvation]])

===Miscellaneous===
*...a prayer or speech includes or ends with "So Say We All!"
::If "So Say We All!" is said once, then repeated by a group, only one drink is required for that pair of utterances.
*...Roslin throws (or threatens to throw) a Cylon out the airlock.
*...Roslin uses her Stare of You-Gotta-Be-Frakking-Kidding-Me.
*...[[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dee]] stare at each other like two teenagers but never actually do anything.
*...Gaeta says, "Yes, sir." (''On this one, alone, most of us would need a "commercial break"'' after one episode...)
*...Apollo's modesty is thwarted by the smallest towel in the fleet.
*...[[Jammer]] says something that hints that he may be a Cylon.
*...Roslin comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of the Fleet's travails.
*...Elosha comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Roslin's travails.
*...Six comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Baltar's travails.
*...Leoben comes up with some vague mystical interpretation of Starbuck's travails.
*...A Cylon says "By your command".
*...Someone gets promoted (Just ''pick an episode''.)
**Take two drinks if someone is promoted twice in one episode (Major Lee Adama to Commander Lee Adama in "[[The Captain's Hand]]").
*...[[CIC]] bursts into applause. ([[Miniseries]], [[You Can't Go Home Again]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|Hand of God]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[The Farm]], [[Home, Part I]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
**Bonus drink if the applause proceeds an assassination attempt ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
*...A never-before-seen guest star turns out to be a Cylon
**[[Simon]] ([[The Farm]])
**[[Number Three]] / D'anna Biers ([[Final Cut]])
**[[Cavil]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]], [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
*...a Cylon refers to not seeing someone at a Cylon meeting or party ([[Cylon-Related_Hallucinations#Baltar's_Internal_Six|Baltar's Internal Six]] in [[Miniseries]], [[Cavil]] in [[Lay_Down_Your_Burdens,_Part_I|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]])

===Production===
*...Michael Rymer's camera makes a full 360° revolution.
**''In this case, everyone in the room must spin around until the scene is over.''
*...Michael Rymer cross-cuts between two nearly identical scenes. ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]])
**''In this case, link arms with someone else and take a shot together.''
*...the producers re-use stock special effects footage.
**...when you spot the "USS Enterprise" lurking in the Fleet.
**...an establishing shot of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' from the side, surrounded by the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
**...an establishing shot of ''Galactica'' from the top.
**...an establishing shot of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' from the side.
**...the civilian fleet jump from the [[Miniseries]].
**...the Viper Launch sequence.
**...the Viper [[Combat landing|Combat Landing]] sequence. (numerous episodes)
**...''Take another drink if the the stock footage leads to logic gaps.''

===Music===
*...Bear McCreary re-uses stock musical cues.
**The Number Six/Cylon [[Wikipedia:leitmotif|leitmotif]] ("ding..ding-ding..ding, ding...ding-ding...ding...")
**"Bloodshed" (the Adama death theme from [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]) in [[The Farm]], [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] and [[Exodus, Part II]]
**"Prelude to War" in the [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] battle sequence
**The "Destiny/Baltar's Dream" leitmotif
**Starbuck's leitmotif ("Starbuck on the Red Moon")
*...Bear McCreary finds some excuse to use the Stu Phillips theme from the original series ("Colonial Anthem").
**[[Miniseries]] (Twice)
**[[Final Cut]]
*...Bear McCreary re-uses music from Richard Gibbs' [[Miniseries]] soundtrack.
*...Bear McCreary throws in some new musical influences out of nowhere.
**Hindu prayer - UK/Season Two opening
**Celtic folk song - "Wander My Friends" / "A Good Lighter" / "Reuniting the Fleet"
**Italian pseudo-opera - "Battlestar Operatica"
**Elevator music - "Battlestar Muzaktica"
**Heavy metal - "Standing in the Mud" / "Black Market"
**Orchestral piece - "The Shape of Things to Come" / "Passacaglia" / "Allegro" / "A Promise to Return"
**Electric Violin / Thundering Bass - "Destiny" / "Baltar's Dream"
**Classical Violin - "Roslin and Adama" / "Roslin Confesses"
**Piano - "Metamorphosis One" / "One Year Later"
**Guitar solo - "Pegasus" / "Something Dark is Coming"

==Official Statements==

From a ''Rolling Stone'' September 2006 Magazine interview of [[Katee Sackhoff]]

:"Four years ago, I had older men and twelve-year-olds coming up to me," she says. "Now I get sorority girls telling me, 'We watch the show and drink every time you say "frak," hit someone or sleep with someone.' And I'm thinking, 'This is why I didn't go to college.'"

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Saul Tigh

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|role= Executive Officer, ''[[Battlestar]] [[Galactica]]''
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== Biography ==

=== Background ===

'''Colonel Saul Tigh''' was born on the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Aerelon|Aerelon]].<ref name="aerelon">"Cylon Intelligence Report: Personnel File: Saul Tigh." Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine. Feb./Mar. 2006: 62.</ref> A veteran of the Cylon War, Saul Tigh is sometimes estranged from his wife and has been somewhat disillusioned with his career, seeking refuge in alcoholism - a move which has lead many in the crew to view him with contempt ([[Miniseries]]; "[[33]]").

He is a third generation Colonial soldier. [[Saul Tigh (father of)|His father]] was a decorated fighter pilot killed in combat and [[Saul Tigh (grandfather of)|his grandfather]] served under President [[Mueller (president)|Mueller]]. According to [[Billy Keikeya]], Tigh was a published military historian until personal problems became apparent ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

Tigh began his career as a deckhand<ref name="deckhand">''Ibid''. "Saul Tigh entered the fleet as a deckhand but rose through the ranks and was a CPO (Chief Petty Officer) by the time the First Cylon War broke out."</ref>. By the second year of the first [[Cylon War]], he was serving as a gunner's mate onboard the ''[[Brenik]]''. His ship was boarded by the Cylons where he and others fought in hand to hand combat, during the bloodiest time of that war. It was during this battle that he saw his first dead man, [[Duncan Rafferty]], who was violently vivisected by Centurions ([http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/202/deleted1.html deleted scene], [[Valley of Darkness]]). His ship was subsequently destroyed and he survived. He was transferred to another unnamed ship, which succumbed to a similar fate as his original ship. Having born witness to many a bloody combat, he became emotionally scarred, which had, among other impetuses, led him to alcoholism.
[[Image:Tighadama.jpg|Tigh and Adama's first meeting.|left|thumb]]

Tigh eventually achieved the rank of Chief Petty Officer ([[Galen Tyrol]]'s position on ''Galactica''). When Viper pilot numbers began running low in the war, Tigh was drafted into Colonial Officer Candidate School and was reassigned as a Viper pilot.<ref>{{cite rdm podcast|episode=Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down}}</ref> As a pilot, he demonstrated considerable skill, earning several medals while posted aboard the battlestar ''[[Athena (Battlestar)|Athena]]''.<ref name="athena">''Ibid''. "Tigh joined the Colonial Officer Candidate School and was reassigned as a Viper pilot, something he excelled in, earning a string of medals in his post aboard the battlestar Athena."</ref>

After the cessation of hostilities, he was dismissed from service and eked out an existence as a deckhand aboard a commercial freighter. Tigh clearly experienced signs of post-traumatic stress disorder; he commented that everytime he smelled grease or machine oil he would nearly vomit, as this smell reminded him of the "stink" of Centurions ([[Valley of Darkness]], [[List of Deleted Scenes|deleted scene]]). While onboard, he drowned himself in alcohol and, after a time, encountered [[William Adama]], who had not seen as much combat experience as Tigh himself. They became fast friends, and remained in touch after Adama reenlisted with the service. Two years later<ref name="adama">''Ibid''. "Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service. Saul Tigh was straightening his life out when he met his wife Ellen, who he courted and married within two months. Ellen did not take well to military life, and her repeated infidelities drove him back to drink. Ellen and Saul separated shortly before the Cylon attack."</ref>, he was able to pull strings to reenlist Tigh as well ([[Scattered]]).

Following his reenlistment Saul met his future wife Ellen, whom he courted and married after two months, about 7 years before the [[Miniseries]]. Unfortunately, Ellen did not take well to military life and her repeated infidelities drove Saul back into the bottle. The two separated shortly before the Cylon attack.<ref name="adama"/>

Following the Cylon attack, Tigh recovers some of his old verve and attempts to give up alcohol. However, this, combined with the initial stress of flight from the Cylons causes him to over-compensate as a martinet, frequently driving the personnel overly-hard, and berating where encouragement would prove the better option ([[33]]). He excuses this by using the truism that the XO is supposed to be the "hard face" of command.
[[image:33-Tigh_Adama.jpg|thumb|right|"If the crew doesn't hate the XO, then he's not doing his job."]]
With his drinking problem relatively under control, Tigh settled back into his role as the ''Galactica's'' Executive Officer and proved himself both honest and level-headed - if still hard on himself and others - in a number of circumstances, and he provided the kind of support [[William Adama|Adama]] needed.

During Cylon attacks, he proves himself to be an excellent battle manager and tactician. His quick actions sometimes save the ship and [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] from damage or destruction ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]], [[Scattered]], [[Valley of Darkness]]).

Tigh is uneasy around President [[Laura Roslin]] ([[Water]]), and resents what he sees as her interfering with Adama's command ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]) - something born out of his deep respect for Adama which even the most heated of disagreements between them ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]) cannot disrupt.

Tigh personally dislikes [[Kara Thrace]], one of ''Galactica's'' pilots and, while grudgingly conceding she is a fine pilot, does not understand what Adama sees in her ([[Miniseries]]). Tigh sees Thrace as an egotistical, insubordinate youngster. While they have tried to bury the hatchet between them ([[Miniseries]], [[Water]]), there is potentially too much water under the bridge now for them to get completely past their differences.

Outside of Adama, Tigh has few others he regards as confidants aboard ship; and since the initial Cylon attack, he withdraws from interacting with the crew during off-duty hours, making him perhaps more isolated than even Adama - who is at least held in awe and respect by the crew.

=== Wife's Return ===
[[image:Tigh_Me_Up_Tigh_Me_Down-Saul_Ellen.jpg|thumb|left|'''Saul''' and his newly returned wife, [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]], making a toast: "To starting over" ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).]]
Some three weeks after the Cylon attack on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], Tigh is stunned to discover his wife, [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]], has not been killed as he had thought, but was rescued from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]], and carried aboard the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' as an unconscious "Jane Doe". Whether this reunion will be for his betterment or not remains to be seen.

Despite the emotional implications from the destruction of the Colonies and life aboard the ship, Tigh is reluctantly thrust further into politics as his wife plays her schemes. Much to his disdain, his wife attempts to procure photo opportunities with the likes of [[Tom Zarek]] -- a person Tigh views with the utmost contempt ([[Colonial Day]]). Additionally, Ellen seems to re-establish Saul Tigh's alcoholism with gratuitous drinking.

Despite this, Adama sends Tigh with a squadron of [[Colonial Marine Corps|marines]] to arrest [[Laura Roslin]] after Adama discovers that she convinced [[Kara Thrace]] to [[FTL|Jump]] back to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] to retrieve a historical artifact called the [[Arrow of Apollo]] from the Delphi Museum. This action deprives the Fleet of a crucial military asset -- a captured [[Cylon Raider]], intended to have been used to plant a nuclear warhead aboard a basestar in orbit around the planet believed to be [[Kobol]] -- and convinces Adama that Roslin is abusing her authority.

Onboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Tigh's men and Roslin's [[Presidential Security Service|personal security agents]] are at a standoff when [[Lee Adama]] aims a weapon at Tigh's head and attempts to thwart the arrest. Attempting to defuse the situation, Roslin agrees to be arrested and Lee Adama is arrested on charges of treason ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

=== Tigh in Command ===
[[Image:Scattered-Tigh.jpg|thumb|right|Tigh realizing he's in a bit over his head ([[Scattered]]).]]
Tigh is present in [[CIC]] during the attempted assassination of Adama by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. As guards restrain Valerii, Tigh attempts to stop the bleeding from the torso gunshot wounds Adama sustained in the attempt ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Needing reliable officers, Tigh grants Lee Adama a parole from his arrest. After his daily duties as [[CAG]] are done, Lee promises to return to the brig when off-shift.

With Adama incapacitated and with Roslin dethroned, Tigh tries to maintain order. However, his irrational and gruff command style displeases many crewmembers. Morale and ship efficiency began to suffer. Ellen Tigh becomes a private advisor to her husband, frequently questioning his power to command while also suggesting ways of usurping more power and quashing his opponents. Ellen Tigh's advice only exacerbates an already-deteriorating situation.

Tigh's interrogation of suspected Cylon collaborators or infiltrators is brutal. After beating, then nearly shooting the ''Galactica'' copy of Valerii, other issues in the Fleet divert him from further interrogation. He orders a special cage made for her for later interrogation. Tigh also savagely interrogates Valerii's former lover, Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] as a possible [[Cylon agent]] himself. Tigh would have left him with Valerii in the newly built Cylon cage if [[Gaius Baltar]] did not intervene to prove medically that Tyrol is not a Cylon himself.

With Roslin in prison, uprisings begin as civilian ships refuse to supply ''Galactica'' until Roslin is released. Worse, the [[Quorum of Twelve]] demand to see Roslin. Knowing of Roslin's hallucinations in the brig, he intentionally invites the Quorum to see Roslin in her poor state in hopes of disillusioning the Quorum. However, Roslin recovers sufficiently from her [[Chamalla]] withdrawal after getting a supply smuggled to her by Corporal [[Venner]], her guard. Tigh, a secular man, believes that the accounts within the [[Sacred Scrolls]] weren't to be believed, and teases Roslin in front of the Quorum on her visions. Roslin not only is able to speak to the Quorum, but decisively reinforces her decisions as well as her role in the search for the location of Earth as told in the Pythian prophesies. This act greatly impresses the dominantly religious-minded Quorum, and infuriates Tigh; fearing a larger civilan government uprising led by the Quorum. Tigh institutes [[Wikipedia:martial law|martial law]] throughout the Fleet in an attempt to maintain order in a rapidly chaotic shuffle of power between the civilian and military governments ([[Fragged]]).

The supply situation leads Tigh to a poor decision of using Viper pilots to command marines in forcibly retrieving supplies. On [[Gideon|one ship]], a riot leads to four deaths and many injuries due to the pilot's inexperience in managing such a situation. Unlike Adama (who likely would have taken direct responsibility for the "Gideon Massacre"), Tigh places blame solely on the pilot, absolving himself from the incident.

=== Fleet Factioning and Adama's Return ===

The shootings, Tigh's decision for martial law, and his unwillingness to discuss anything with anyone except Ellen Tigh (and the unconscious Adama) becomes the dividing point of those wanting to press on to finding Earth, and those wanting to settle on Kobol ([[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season 2]]). Tigh's drinking spirals further out of control, leading to more erratic behavior and causing great concern regarding his ability to effectively command, particularly among the [[CIC]] staff. The situation comes to a head when Roslin, tacitly aided by other officers and crew on ''Galactica'', escapes the brig in an attempt to hide amongst the many ships in the Fleet with the aid of [[Tom Zarek]]. Tigh chases down the escaping Raptor using the [[CAP]], having the Viper fire across the bow of the fleeing Raptor to persuade it to return. The Raptor brazenly continues onward, leading to a crucial decision for the Colonel. Tigh allows the Raptor to escape rather than shooting it down, which would have killed Adama's son and the President and could have destabilized the fleet.
[[image:Flight_of_the_Phoenix-Tigh_Adama.jpg|thumb|left|Tigh and Adama share a knowing smirk at the commissioning of the [[Blackbird]], ''Laura'' ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).]]

Fortunately for the fleet and Colonel Tigh, Commander Adama regains consciousness shortly after the escape and asks what had happened during his absence. Tigh confesses that he has "frakked things up good," but Adama reassures his friend, saying, "I never had much use for people that second-guessed my decisions, especially if they've never held a command. They don't understand the pressure to make a call that affects the lives of thousands, and you have no one to turn to for backup."

Despite all the serious problems that Tigh created, Adama doesn't blame him, telling Tigh that whatever bad calls were made, they would pick up the pieces together ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

Both Adama (also a rather secular man) and Tigh are astounded at the number of ships that secede from the main fleet to join the [[Laura Roslin faction|faction]] that sought the [[Tomb of Athena]] with President Roslin ([[The Farm]]). Tigh backs up Adama while he maintains a similar official position on Roslin and the separated ships as Tigh has. However, after Adama realizes that survival of the entire Fleet would only come if everyone held together, Adama begins to prepare a journey to Kobol to retrieve the remainder of the Fleet and reach out to Roslin ([[Home, Part I]]). At first Tigh seems to believe that Adama is retrieving the faction by more military means, and scoffs at Roslin's religious views on the quest until he realizes that Adama is beginning to follow Roslin's information, taking her reports and visions seriously. Tigh is left in command while Adama successfully reunites the Fleet and reconciles with Roslin ([[Home, Part II]]).

=== Fallout from [[Gideon|the Gideon Incident]] ===

''Galactica'''s crew never liked Tigh, and Tigh never asked for their love. Still, the ''Gideon'' Incident was possibly the last straw for many in CIC to lose their trust. Aiding President [[Laura Roslin]]'s escape is one example to that ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

After [[William Adama|Adama]] returned to command and Roslin restored to presidency, for a moment the incident was almost forgotten. Before she was invited to ''Galactica'', reporter [[D'anna Biers]] was preparing a story about the incident, which would destroy public's view towards Tigh, and eventually the ''Galactica''. However she dropped the subject in favor of a ''Galactica'' documentary.

Lt. [[Joe Palladino|Joe "Hammerhead" Palladino]], the pilot in charge of the boarding operation to ''Gideon'', eventually lost his temper, presumebly due to D'anna Biers' provocative interview style. He first vandalized Tigh's quarters, then tried to sabotage his [[Raptor]], and finally attacked his wife at the gun point and threatened to kill Tigh. Still, Tigh managed to convince Palladino to drop his weapon, before the room was raided by commandos. This incident was also video taped by Biers' crew, but as far as shown the documentary doesn't mention the ''Gideon'' Incident at all ([[Final Cut]]).

Even though Tigh did his best to evade responsibility of this incident, it is possible to see that his temper and attitude has somehow changed after the command fiasco, like helping [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] with [[Blackbird]] ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

=== ''Pegasus'' Discovered ===

Things once again turn on their head when ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has a chance encounter with the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a modern type of battlestar and the flagship of Admiral [[Helena Cain]]. Cain, being the superior officer, assumes complete command of the Fleet. The naturally suspicious Tigh is wary about this mixed blessing, but takes it in stride like everything else up until now. When he begins to regularly speak with ''Pegasus''’s own XO [[Jack Fisk]], his suspicions slowly prove to be well founded.

Fisk's conscience-clearing sessions with Tigh reveal that Admiral Cain was responsible for a set of atrocities, the most damning being the pillaging and stranding of a small civilian fleet in open space. When Tigh relays this information to Commander Adama, Adama reminisces about their own questionable activities, particularly their actions regarding the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''. However, Adama keeps Tigh's warnings in mind and they help him in his decision to stand up to Cain later on ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]] through [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).

=== The Election and New Caprica ===
When the Presidential election arrives, Col. Tigh is charged with overseeing the vote tallies on ''Galactica''. When it appears that [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] would win the vote, [[Tory Foster]], President Roslin's aide, approaches Col. Tigh and Petty Officer [[Dualla]] to conspire to steal the election for Roslin, forseeing certain dissaster in a Baltar presidencey. Tigh, never a fan of Baltar's to begin with, assists in the deception in order to keep Baltar out of office. The plot is overturned when Lt. [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] later notices the Colonel's suspicious and stand-offish behaviour regarding the ballot boxes. Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] lets Tigh and Dualla off the hook and the official vote tallies are "revised" without the public learning of the Roslin campaign's attempt to steal the election.

One year later, after the fleet settles on [[New Caprica]] on the orders of President Baltar, most of the military staff have all but retired from active service. Col. Tigh is one of the few officers still serving aboard ''Galactica'', but the day eventually comes when Admiral Adama discharges his friend and XO from his duties to let him return to civilian life with his wife. On the surface of New Caprica, now-Mr. and Mrs. Tigh run into [[Kara Thrace]] at [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Cally]]'s union rally. The former colonel and captain share an unusually warm embrace, having put their differences behind them at some point in the preceding year, or Thrace being happy to see a familiar face of the ''Galactica'' family. Unfortunately, their reunion does not last as a large Cylon fleet appears in orbit over the planet and the Cylons occupy New Caprica without firing a shot. Tigh and his wife are last seen watching in utter shock as [[Cylon Centurion]]s march through the streets of New Caprica City ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

=== Occupation and Resistance ===
Two months into the occupation of New Caprica by the Cylons, Saul Tigh is organizing and recruiting for [[New Caprica Resistance|the resistance on New Caprica]] along with [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Jammer]]. When the Cylons begin to find the weapons hidden by the Resistance, Tigh orders them to be stored in the Temple, believing it to be the safest place as the Cylon respect the sanctity of the Temple and will not search it. When the Cylons discover the weapons, [[Nora]] is shot and [[Cally Tyrol]] and her baby barely escape. This leads several members of the [[New Caprica Resistance]] to question whether Tigh is going too far. After Tigh plans an attack that could endanger patients at a hospital, Jammer reports him to the Cylon authorities ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]). The Cylons imprison Tigh and physically tear his right eye out. He is badly beaten and put into a small holding cell. Ellen Tigh's sexual efforts with [[Cavil]] lead to Saul's eventual release ([[Occupation]]) though this is later revealed to be a Cylon ruse to blackmail Ellen into collaboration with the Cylons as well as find the location of a high level meeting of the Insurgency.

===Escape from New Caprica===
[[Image:Saulellen.jpg|Saul handing Ellen her poisoned drink.|thumb]]
Tigh actively participates in the exodus from New Caprica, leading an attack on the shipyard with Galen Tyrol, during which they are aided by Vipers of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' [[Blue Squadron]].

Following the exodus, he resumes his post as the Executive Officer of ''Galactica'', but is unable to conceal his contempt for those who colluded with the Cylons, such as [[Felix Gaeta]]. In a face off with Admiral Adama, in which the senior officer orders Tight to "sleep it off", it is clear that the events on New Caprica - most notably, his wife's death - are still adversely affecting Tigh.

Tigh is also the apparent ringleader of [[The Circle]], a group of six people authorised by then-President [[Tom Zarek]], charged with bringing collaborators to justice. Thirteen people fall victim to The Circle's mandate, including [[Jammer]].

==Notes==
* Tigh's first name has been given as "Paul" on a number of websites. This is based on an early [http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/battlestar/season1/galactica-ms1.pdf version of the script] '''(PDF file)''', which has Adama speaking to "Paul" in their discussion of his fight with Kara Thrace. Since this version of the script has significant differences to the final script, its canonical value is low.
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] has indicated via the [[podcast]] commentary on the episode "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]" that the character's name initially was Paul Tigh. The name, however, had to be changed due to legal issues that Moore was unable to recall in that podcast.
* Tigh is based off the character of Paul Eddington in the movie "[[Wikipedia:In Harm's Way|In Harm's Way]]" portrayed by Kirk Douglas (with John Wayne).
* Tigh's age is one of the only ones which can be accurately deduced. In a [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/202/deleted1.html deleted scene] from [[Valley of Darkness]], we learn that he was serving on the [[Brenik]] when it was boarded during the second year of the Cylon War. Tigh tells us that he was "just a kid. Virgin. Teenager." We know that [[Colonial Day (holiday)|Colonial Day]] is the anniversary of both the unification of the Colonies, and (roughly) the outbreak of the Cylon War (Source: [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005]), and was 52 years ago ([[Colonial Day]]). Thus, Saul Tigh is between 63 and 69 years old at the beginning of season 2. Season Three begins about two years after this conversation.
* In the DVD commentary of "[[Act of Contrition]]", Ron Moore notes that actor [[Michael Hogan]] won the role of Tigh over [[Donnelly Rhodes]], who was one of two other actors vying for the part. Rhodes however went on to play the role of [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]], ''Galactica'''s CMO.

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== Formatting and Defining Characters in Template ==

Thanks to [[User:Undc23|Undc23]], we have a character template that makes it easier to navigate to characters. There's probably some that choose to adjust the formatting; I've already put my 2 cents in and quickly reached my wiki coding limits. I recommend that contributors compare the format to the template used in Wikipedia for [[Wikipedia:Template:matrix|The Matrix saga entries]] listed there.

We also need to determine two additional points:

* What characters should appear in this list. I feel that characters who have been in at least 3 episodes qualify, but if they are dead for longer than 2 seasons, the entry could be removed unless their contribution to the overall storyline is significant. [[Crashdown]], for instance, may deserve retention here because his death is a critical juncture for [[Gaius Baltar]]. [[Hadrian]] and [[Wallace Gray]], at present, aren't really characters of depth. I haven't removed or added any characters due to my wiki code skill limits, so look over the template and consider my thoughts and share your own.

* The [[TOS|Original Series]] character lists would benefit greatly from a similar template, probably similarly named as [[template:toscharacters]]. Although the series ran for just a season (and 1/2, counting the dreaded ''[[Galactica 1980]]''), the "planet of the week" and "alien of the week" formatting generated dozens of characters. Maybe Undc23 will step to the plate for this, or someone else.

--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:11, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:I agree. The TOS could probably use something like this. I'm not sure whether it would be better to follow this example (main characters only) or the matrix one (to organize all the secondary/minor characters as well). I'd be afraid of having an excessive amount of minor characters cluttering it up, but perhaps one season wouldn't be that bad. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:09, 28 December 2005 (EST)

I don't like this at all. I think it looks ugly on the Matrix pages on Wiki, and is redundant with our Characters category. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:59, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:Is there any way to organize the Characters category? Maybe a category-subcategory relationship? The character category pages by themselves are difficult to read (in terms of determining which characters are major and going to have a big writeup, vs. minor characters). Having character subcategories might be able to render an easier to navigate category page without adding clutter to each of the characters that falls in the subcategory. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:22, 28 December 2005 (EST)

::Yes, I've been meaning to give some thought to revising the categories here for some time. [[Battlestar Wiki:Categories|Let's get to work]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:00, 28 December 2005 (EST)

::: I'm torn. Last night I was trying to figure out the name of the ''Pegasus's'' XO so I could see if there was a good picture of him, but I couldn't find him. I didn't go hunting through the Category, however. Something like this would help with that (or just cross-linking him in Cain or ''Pegasus's'' articles), but I agree with Peter that it doesn't look wonderful, and deciding who should be on it and all... updating it... Seems like a lot of hassle. I like the idea of subcatagories in the Characters one, maybe so one for ''Galactica'' personell (include Lee and Kara because, really, they're from ''Galactica''), ''Pegasus'' personell and the Civillians. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:04, 28 December 2005 (EST)

Spencerian, I agree some characters place on the list is dubious, but I figured others would edit that anyway so go for it. Farago and Day, I don't think it's redundant, as you can browse characters more quickly. If you've noticed, there is a virtually identical template at the bottom of episode pages despite there being an episode category, and this template seems to have been accepted. As for aesthetics, well thats personal opinion, I like it :)--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 19:49, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:It certainly does point to a deficiency in the category system. I am continuing to mull on it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:53, 28 December 2005 (EST)

=== Idea #1? ===

Been thinking about this for some time as well... Just that nothing's come to me that I've particularly liked. So I'm going to share with all of you the one idea that's been stabbing the grey matter in my mind.

Here's how the whole Category:Characters thing should work, using Category:Characters (RDM) as a baseline...

: [[:Category:Characters (RDM)]] (first level categories, followed by the following categories that would be second level...)
:: [[:Category:Minor Characters (RDM)]]
:: [[:Category:Recurring Characters (RDM)]] (i.e. Ellen Tigh)
:: [[:Category:Major Characters (RDM)]] (The two Adamas, Roslin, et al.)

Did we want to get specific with characters that were Cylons? If so, then we could add:

:: [[:Category:Humano-Cylon Characters (RDM)]]

Also, how specific did we want to go with the Character categories? Did we want to have a category for civilians, military, and government? Do we want to have categories for Galactica crew vs. Pegasus crew as well? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:35, 31 December 2005 (EST)

:We've been tossing ideas for this around on [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Categories]]. There are some problems to be dealt with, but I'm working on a sketch to run by people. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:36, 31 December 2005 (EST)

== A dissenting view ==

I love this template because it's a lot easier to cross-navigate than the category. It's also a good at-first-glance look at who all is there. Although here's an idea--why don't we subdivide it so that we can have a template for, say, the Galactica enlisted that may or may not be re-integrated into the master template? (It may also be useful to devise a smaller template for the characters played by the actors billed in the opening credits--Adama, Roslin, Lee, Kara, Baltar, Boomer, and Six--but that may lead to problems.) [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:08, 31 December 2005 (EST)

:I think the template is getting a little out of hand, but then again BSG is unusual in having so many significant characters who aren't part of the main regular cast. But we're verging on making a huge mess at the bottome of many character pages; meanwhile I don't want some people assuming these are the ONLY characters. I don't know what to do. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:07, 2 January 2006 (EST)

::I also worry that the template will over-power those characters who have very short write-ups and who, for whatever, reason, will probably never have a longer write-up. I mean--what more is there to say about good ol' [[Raymond Lai|Raygun]]? Yet the template is longer than his article. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:51, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:::I still want it removed. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:50, 2 January 2006 (EST)

== Standardization Required ==

We need to define the use of this template in Standards and Conventions if the majority wants it to stay. Right now, recent additions for one-shot characters unlikely to be seen again anytime soon unneccessarily fill the template and it is growing ridiculously large. I recommend that:

* The character template is used ONLY with characters that play a critical role (in life or death) in the MAJOR plot or MAJOR character's development of the series, AND
* Appears in ''no fewer'' than two episodes or a story arc

I propose the two points are mutually inclusive: BOTH must be met for a character to fit in the template. A character that reoccurs but isn't a major story-driving character (such as [[Laird]]) doesn't fit the bill, while a recurring character that sparks the course of a major character (such as [[Elosha]]) are worthy.

That said, [[Helena Cain]] and [[Crashdown]] are also good examples of ones to keep in the template. Cain darkly changes the dynamics of the Fleet (and adds a battlestar to it). Crashdown set in motion a darker change in [[Gaius Baltar]] when Baltar shoots him. [[Socinus]] was in both the "[[Litmus]]" and Kobol story arcs with a significant purpose. While [[Jack Fisk]] isn't a significant character in itself, he's part of the Resurrection Ship mutual assassination story arc. [[Thorne]] isn't a biggie, but his death led to that standoff between Adama and Cain. But [[Prosna]], [[Hadrian]], [[Mason]], [[Phelan]], [[Shevon]], [[Wallace Gray]] (among others) are not suitable for long-term retention in the template as they don't fit the two points. There are other ways to find these and other minor characters without cluttering up every article; besides, this is a wiki, so things are linked by design and easy to find with a search term. We have years of ''Battlestar'' in store, so we have to keep things trimmed in anticipation and to keep the purpose of the wiki true.

To make this simple, let's keep debate short and sweet--one comment with one dissent. Please avoid conversation threads, and get your point right the first time. If we don't get consensus on the format, we can put it to a vote in a few days. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:42, 3 February 2006 (EST)

===Discussion===
Hadrian was a recurring character in season 1, and should stay. Thorne, however, only appeared in "Pegasus", and doesn't appear to meet your requirements. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:11, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:On the other hand, I'll remember Thorne longer than I'll remember Hadrian. If the template gets too big, we can trim it over time. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 17:29, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::It's already too big. --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 18:41, 3 February 2006 (EST)
: I agree; I think Hadrian should stay and Thorne should be dropped. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 18:55, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:: Thorne was not a major character, anyway. He was more of a plot device. (Not a [[Cami]], but maybe more of a [[Wallace Gray]]... well, somewhat.) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)
:::He saved my life, as well as the lives of fifty other men, you miserable frak! Thorne was more than a plot device! Erm, I mean....I respectfully disagree :) [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)

== Trim ==

I just trimmed it down a little. Thoughts? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 18:48, 3 February 2006 (EST)
: I would remove Laird and Thorne. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:17, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::It does look better, too. Thanks, Phil. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:45, 3 February 2006 (EST)
::Maybe later, but as of now, Laird and Thorne aren't making the template any bigger, they're just making it less empty. Removing them would make no difference with respect to size, their notability notwithstanding. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:05, 3 February 2006 (EST)

== Liposuction... stat! ==

I was mulling over what to do about this template size and came across the page on [[Wikipedia:Cosmo Kramer|Cosmo Kramer]]. Interestingly enough, if one looks at the bottom they see the character box containing the major characters of ''Seinfeld''. We could do the same thing to the major characters of ''Galactica'', although we may have to tailor it to suit our needs. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 00:06, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:How do we decide who to include beyond the seven main characters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:31, 11 February 2006 (EST)

::Number of episodes they're in, compared with relative importance to storyline. I would include Tyrol and Cally, for example. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:13, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:::How about the seven top-billed characters, "special guests", and every minor character who has appeared in as many or more episodes as the least of those seven, in a given season? That list would look something like this:
::::Main cast (seasons 1 & 2)
:::*William Adama
:::*Laura Roslin
:::*Lee Adama
:::*Kara Thrace (did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Sharon Valerii (did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Gaius Baltar
:::*Number Six (did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix")

::::Season 1 guest characters (must have appeared in all 13 episodes):
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Billy Keikeya (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Cally (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Galen Tyrol (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Karl Agathon (appeared in all episodes of season 1)

::::Season 1 special guests:
:::*Tom Zarek (Bastille Day, Colonial Day)

::::Season 2 guest characters (must have appeared in 12 episodes of 15 thus far, matching Valerii's record)
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 2 through "Scar")
:::*Galen Tyrol (did not appear in "Home, Part I" or "Black Market")
:::*Karl Agathon (did not appear in "Fragged" or "Black Market")
:::*Felix Geata (did not appear in "Epiphanies", "Black Market", or "Scar")

::::Season 2 special guests:
:::*D'Anna Biers (Final Cut)
:::*Admiral Helena Cain ("Pegasus", "Resurrection Ship, Part I", "Resurrection Ship, Part II")
:::*Tom Zarek (Black Market)
:::*Phelan (Black Market)

:::This seems to capture the cast makeup and "important characters" fairly well, without resorting to subjective interpretation. Thoughts? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:18, 11 February 2006 (EST)

Thorne appeared in a single episode and does not deserve a place in this box as a result. Meanwhile, Racetrack needs to be added back to it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 04:10, 11 February 2006 (EST)
:Why Racetrack? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 05:11, 11 February 2006 (EST)

::A)I have a certain fondness for Racetrack, because like Helo, she was only supposed to be in one episode, but was so good they brought her back as a recurring character B) she has appeared in many episodes in season 2 subsequently.

To my personal breakdown, on a by the numbers basis(note: some characters appear in many episodes, like Gaeta, but might not even talk, so numbers aren't ''necessarily'' reflective of importance):
Of the "Main Cast":
*William Adama
*Laura Roslin
*Lee Adama
*Kara Thrace--did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market"
*Sharon Valerii--did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market"
*Gaius Baltar--did not appear in "Scar", "Sacrifice"
*Number Six--did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix"

This would move us along to the "recurring characters":
*Saul Tigh--appeared in all episodes
*Billy Keikeya--in most through "Home Part II", but lately just fell into the backround
*Cally--has appeared in 18 episodes (through "Sacrifice")
*Galen Tyrol--did not appear in "Home, Part I", "Black Market", "Sacrifice"
*Karl Agathon--did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market", "Sacrifice"

Getting tired. Have to cut this short. Point is, Racetrack has been in quite a few and become a relatively important recurring character, as opposed to like Thorne...who was in one episode. --!!:::*William Adama
:::*Laura Roslin
:::*Lee Adama
:::*Kara Thrace (did not appear in "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Sharon Valerii (did not appear in "Resistance", "Fragged", "Black Market")
:::*Gaius Baltar
:::*Number Six (did not appear in "Flight of the Phoenix")

::::Season 1 guest characters (must have appeared in all 13 episodes):
:::*Saul Tigh (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Billy Keikeya (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Cally (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Galen Tyrol (appeared in all episodes of season 1)
:::*Karl Agathon (appeared in all episodes of season 1)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:00, 11 February 2006 (EST)

Merv, wouldn't you do me the courtesy of replying to my post before you appropriate its content for your own? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:49, 11 February 2006 (EST)

:Actually, this list was made from my own searchings through the character pages. But I digress. Big point is that if we are trimming, we really should remove "alistair Thorne"; he was in exactly ONE episode, and really doesn't seem fitting here.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:07, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::You blatantly copy and pasted portions of my post into yours. I find it mildly insulting, and I'd rather you didn't do it again as a matter of personal courtesy. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:11, 14 February 2006 (EST)

== i wouldn't bother with the Number Eight, Number Three stuff ==

I noticed that Sharon and Doral seem to have "disappeared" in light of their new number designations. May I be so bold as to say that most people know them by their "human" names? Therefore I've decided to change the Cylon portion of the template back to their "human" names, instead of their numeric designations. Anyone else have anything to say on this matter? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:07, 25 February 2006 (EST)
:Template:Characters delenda est. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:00, 25 February 2006 (EST)

I went ahead and did a compromise so it says Number Eight (Sharon Valerii). If this takes up too much room then we should do a piped link so the template acts properly in terms of going unlinked on the page it's on. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:23, 25 February 2006 (EST)

== Deceased ==

I did a roll-back, but didn't realize it would auto-comment for me. The reson I did it is because that's not a note for Simon. That's a key to all the other little crosses we've got going. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:08, 2 March 2006 (CST)

==One Year Later: Now What?==
Well, we have an obvious problem now - practically none of the characters are still in the positions noted here as of the end of Season 2. We could reshuffle it to reflect their lives on New Caprica, as so:

 
<center>
{| id="toc" style="margin: 0 2em 0 2em;"
|-
| align="center" |'''[[:Category:Characters|Characters]] in ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'''''
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (''Galactica''):''' [[William Adama]] | [[Karl Agathon]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (''Pegasus''):''' [[Lee Adama]] | [[Anastasia Dualla]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Retired):''' [[Kara Thrace]] | [[Saul Tigh]] | [[Galen Tyrol]] | [[Cally]] | [[Cottle]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Whereabouts Unknown):''' [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]] | [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]] | [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Fleet (Deceased):''' [[Socinus]] | [[Crashdown|"Crashdown"]] | [[Helena Cain]] | [[Jack Fisk]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government:''' [[Gaius Baltar]] | [[Felix Gaeta]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Retired):''' [[Laura Roslin]] | [[Tory Foster]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Whereabouts Unknown):''' [[Tom Zarek]] | [[Sarah Porter]] | [[Marshall Bagot]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Government (Deceased):''' [[Elosha]] | [[Billy Keikeya]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Press:''' [[James McManus]] | [[Playa Palacios]] | [[Sekou Hamilton]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Civilians:''' [[Ellen Tigh]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Cylons:''' [[Caprica-Six]] | [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii (''Galactica'' Copy)]] | [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)]] | [[D'anna Biers]]
|-
| style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Cylons (Deceased):''' [[Gina]] | [[Cavil|Cavil (Fleet copy)]] | [[Cavil|Cavil (Caprica copy)]]
|-
|}
</center>

but in addition to being about five times uglier than what we have now (which I would not have imagined possible), it would hardly be useful for anyone reading about the previous 32 & 2/3 episodes.

Although I'm loathe to say this without having anything better in mind (and I do recognize the navigation convenience that this template offers), I'm going to have to reiterate my point that this template is simply more trouble than it's worth, and should be deleted outright. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:07, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:: It could be uglier, Peter. We could use flashing text and maybe a marquee or however it's spelled. However, I agree. Kill it. Kill it! KIIIIIILLLLL IIIIIIIT!! --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:25, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:: http://www.math.lsu.edu/~jude/tmp/killit.html (Note, there are 4 copies of the text in that page. Try it in multiple browsers for the full 1996 website effect.) Actually, that's not a vote. I'm conflicted on it, but the lack of a valid organizational scheme is a mark against its continuation. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:07, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:::I think it really needs to be a much simpler list. Main Characters, supporting characters, guest stars. That way all the moving of positions and locations won't have any effect on it. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 12:35, 14 March 2006 (CST)

I've implemented Joe McCullough's idea. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 02:55, 17 March 2006 (CST)

----

For all but 30 minutes of the BSG corpus, the template is fine. My suggestion is a rather *sane* one if you ask me--keep it the same, wait until October, remove whatever characters have mysteriously disappeared since then (Jammer, Hotdog, and Kat are my predictions), and then adjust it as we go. My prediction is that Roslin, Starbuck, Tyrol, and Tigh (among others) will end up in a "New Caprica Resistance" category, and so forth. Quite honestly, I think that the above is a bad-faith attempt at making this template look worse than it needs to. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 11:47, 14 March 2006 (CST)

I've just added more notations indicating status as of LDYB, but I wouldn't object if anyone removed them for being ugly. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 12:10, 14 March 2006 (CST)

: I really hate to say this (and hate to hurt anyone's feelings, particularly Philwelch's), but the template needs to go. I don't feel that the above point was a "bad-faith" attempt, but rather points out an obvious flaw in the template.
: In fact, right now, [[User:Shane|Shane]] and a few others working on a portal idea. Characters will have their own portal, and a portal link will be placed on the character's pages (similar to Wikipedia's portal system, which is much cleaner and centralized). So once that's up, then we can get rid of this tumor. (I also have been thinking on a way to clean up the infobox templates as well, because I really think they could be cleaner and more organized.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:53, 14 March 2006 (CST)

::How the hell does it "point out an obvious flaw"? It's a straw man--there is absolutely no way the character template will ever look like it. The portal would require two click to get from any one character page to any other character page, and I don't see how the *current* template (i.e. the one we're using) is at all ugly or a "tumor". Please, let's discuss the template we are currently using and not the straw man that Peter drew up as part of his deletion campaign. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 02:26, 17 March 2006 (CST)

:::I was illustrating that the current organizational scheme would not be practical going into the future. If you don't see how the current template is ugly or a "tumor", I doubt I can convince you otherwise, but that's the version that my criticism and deletion vote are leveled at. De gustibus non est disputandum. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:46, 17 March 2006 (CST)

::::Then why did you even waste your time creating that straw man? In any case, I've created a separate idea based on Joe McCollugh's suggestion that uses a far more flexible organizational scheme. In fact, I'm going to implement that idea right now to end this dispute forever. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 02:55, 17 March 2006 (CST)

== Character Portal ==
[[User:Shane|Shane]] is working on (amongst other things) a Character portal. I think this would be an excellent way to expose the character articles in an organized manner. Rather than trying to cramp all the characters into a very limited space within the template, or ballooning the template to epic proportions, you'd have a whole page to work with. It doesn't exist yet, but I thought I would put it forward as a possible future solution to the whole template problem. Rather than having to support the weight of the full template, a smaller template could be employed with a link to the portal, or just a link (if we really need to save space). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:27, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:I think the template is small enough now to not look out of place at the bottom of any character bio large enough to merit inclusion. A portal in addition to the template would be good, though. There is some problem revolving around what to do with Cylons when we have more than one character from each model--while most of them are interchangeable within the same model, the Sharons and Sixes aren't. I also don't think the template will continually get larger, as over time we will remove characters like Hadrian and Jammer who fail to make an appearance. Once Season Three begins in earnest, we can start removing characters who mysteriously disappear. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 14:14, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:The dead characters should not even be in the template 24 hours after the show. They are dead. i.e. not coming back. If we were going to reference them, they should be in a deacased template. A portal will fix a lot of the navagation issues within Charaters pages. Cylons are not Characters per say, so they have their own Portal in my design [[User:Shane/Main_Page|here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 14:17, 14 March 2006 (CST)

::That's silly. The old episodes still exist after the characters die, and deceased semi-major characters (like Billy and Crashdown) remain characters. It's not as though we'd even delete their articles — if the template is going to continue to exist (which I by no means advocate), it must accurately reflect the cast throughout the entire series, not just the present moment. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:14, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:::It's that constraint that dooms the template to grow to unreasonable proportions. I'm not disagreeing with the idea (people catching up on the series via DVD, iPod, or i18n broadcasts deserve character navigation too), just pointing out the fact that it becomes a "closed system" within which the entropy is bound to increase over time. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:11, 15 March 2006 (CST)

==Template:Characters Delenda Est==
I'm calling a vote. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 09:01, 16 March 2006 (CST)

===<s>Keep</s>===
# <s>[[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 02:23, 17 March 2006 (CST)</s>

===<s>Delete</s>===
#<s>[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 09:00, 16 March 2006 (CST)</s>
#<s>[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:08, 16 March 2006 (CST)</s>
# <s>--[[User:Shane|Shane]] 02:50, 17 March 2006 (CST)</s>

==Template refactoring/deletion vote==

Since you called a vote on the old version that I've replaced with a simpler organizational scheme I'm closing the original vote and calling a new one to avoid ambiguity. The new template is a minimal, three-line template intended to peacefully coexist with a more comprehensive portal. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:00, 17 March 2006 (CST)
:I remain baffled by the criteria used to select supporting and recurring characters. Why is Tory Foster (4 episodes) listed, while Socinus (9 episodes) is not? Why don't Gaeta, Tyrol and Dualla get first names? Why are Kat, Hot Dog and Racetrack just given call signs? Why is Cottle referred to as "Dr." while Baltar is not? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:30, 17 March 2006 (CST)
::OK, Tory Foster isn't listed, and Cottle isn't referred to as "Dr." As for the others, they're primarily known by their last names or callsigns anyway and it saves space. You're the one complaining about it being too large. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:34, 17 March 2006 (CST)
:::I'm complaining about it being too large, too inconsistant, inherently subjective and not very useful. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:36, 17 March 2006 (CST)
::::I've addressed the size issue. I'm addressing the consistency issue as well as I can. If you wish, we can come up with less subjective criteria, although I've addressed that as well--the "main" characters are the ones portrayed by actors listed in the opening titles, the "supporting" characters are the ones who appear in almost every episode for a long stretch of time and the "returning guests" are relatively important guest stars who show up repeatedly. As for use, its use is for navigation, and it's a lot quicker at that than clicking back and forth to a template or portal page. Now, if you're willing to provide constructive criticism, I'd be willing to work with you. I think you'll notice that I've made good faith attempts at addressing all your concerns so far, but there comes a time when you need to actually do something constructive yourself instead of spouting criticisms and Latin slogans. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:42, 17 March 2006 (CST)

===Keep refactored version (based upon main/supporting/returning guest organization)===
# [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:00, 17 March 2006 (CST)

===Revert to original version (based upon command/flight/civilian/etc. organization)===

===Delete outright===
#[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:03, 17 March 2006 (CST)
#[[User:Day|Day]] 03:34, 17 March 2006 (CST) Better, but still has issues.

===Discussion===

Note: I really don't think we need to delete this now. It's simple and it lists only the major characters on the show. Not everyone. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:32, 19 March 2006 (CST)
:That's the intention. You might notice I also linked to your portal so hopefully they can be companion pieces of sorts :) [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 21:49, 19 March 2006 (CST)
::Yeah. I saw that. Good idea. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:09, 19 March 2006 (CST)

Can we get any more input on this? Issues I still have:
*Why do Kara Thrace, Lee Adama, and Karl Agathon get callsigns, but not William Adama?
*Why do Kara Thrace, Lee Adama, and Karl Agathon get proper names, but not Kat, Hot Dog and Racetrack?
*Why don't Gaeta, Tyrol and Dualla get first names?
*Why is Number Six listed as Number Six, while Number Five is listed as Aaron Doral and Number Eight is listed as Sharon Valerii?
*What criteria are we using to chose characters for this template? Is it just whatever "feels right"?
**Why is Leoben (2 appearances) listed, but not Number Three or Cavil (also 2 appearances)?
**Why Racetrack but not Socinus?
***This is not to say that I think we ''should'' list Socinus, who frankly I don't think is a widely loved character. But I think we should be able to articulate why not, apart from a vague feeling that he's probably not very important. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:02, 23 March 2006 (CST)

*"Starbuck", "Apollo", and "Helo" are frequently used in dialogue: "Husker" is not. Starbuck, Apollo, and Helo served as pilots during the series, Adama did not.
*Because their real names are used more often. Also, to save space.
*Because their first names have only appeared once or perhaps twice in the series, and to save space.
*Because that's what names we know them best as.
*I've already answered this question. If you want to help develop a less subjective criteria I would welcome that, but you've done no constructive work on this template yet so I'm not holding my breath. There is already some objective criteria: if the actor appears in the opening titles, their character is listed under "main", in the order that their name appears in the titles.
**Cavil appeared in both parts of a two-part episode: by that standard, anyone appearing in all four hours of the Mini-Series counts as four appearances. Leoben has made three appearances counting the end of "Lay Down Your Burdens" and will likely appear again at the season premiere.
**Racetrack is more recent. If it makes you feel better we can remove her. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:37, 23 March 2006 (CST)

I offered a potential criterion for minor characters above, about six weeks ago. Maybe you could read it and let me know what you think. As for the last point, it doesn't make me "feel" any particular way at all; I'm playing devil's advocate. I think that without any clear guideline to point to, someone will inevitably want to know why a certain character is listed while another one is not, and the template will balloon out of control again like it was before you refactored it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:56, 23 March 2006 (CST)

:The template will not balloon out of control, you have my personal assurance on that. I don't think we have anything else to discuss here since your contributions to this template are not constructive. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 19:46, 24 March 2006 (CST)

::I take it that you've read my suggestion for inclusion criteria above and found them wanting. May I please ask you why? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:46, 25 March 2006 (CST)

==Crashdown to Number Three==
As Crashdown has been dead a full year and wasn't a gigantic character like Admiral Cain or something, I suggest that we remove him and replace his space with a link to Number Three, as she will be important in season 3. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:16, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:Agree. Maybe the priest also. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:17, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:Residence in the character template is a '''privelege''', not a right. You have to earn your keep. I have no strong feelings about this particular issue (Crashdown vs. 3, etc), but I would like to see us avoid the uncontrolled growth that occured before. So I'm all for substituting out lesser/dead characters if new ones look like they need to brought in. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:24, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yes, I try to "keep the population in check": keep a constant number, just switching dead/minor characters for major ones. (Admiral Cain was so big that she should kind of stay on even though she's dead, simply because she had such an impact on the show). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:55, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
:::If there are no objections, I'm making the switch. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:56, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

== Sort order ==
Forgive me, but sorting by credit order doesn't make sense. Alphabetical order is predictable, easy to recall and verify, and less overtly arbitrary. Barring an objection with reason, I'll return to alphabetization shortly. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:47, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
:Easy: the way they are ordered in the credits roughly reflects the characters' importance in the eyes of the writers (or whoever sets the credit sequence). It's not "arbitrary" if it's based on a deliberate decision made for the show. It's also trivial to verify opening credit order, as we've all seen the opening credits a million times and can check them at a moment's notice if they can't repeat them from memory. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:40, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::It is overtly arbitrary because it is not a typical way of sorting things (except ''actors''<nowiki>'</nowiki> names in credits). It is vastly easier to verify alphabetization than retrieve a DVD just to watch the credits. The idea of memorizing the credits is hilarious to me. Furthermore, the credit order can change.

::It is less useful to sort by contract-defined pseudo-importance than alphabetize for the simple reason that the credit order won't help anyone find an item in the list; that is the purpose of sorting anything in the first place.

::I still don't think you've made a convincing argument for sorting by the credits, so I will revert eventually barring that or someone else's agreement with you. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:06, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

:::The opening credit order hasn't changed since the first season. (Not sure about the miniseries). As for memorizing the credits, sometimes I forget that not everyone has a photographic memory. There are six people in the list. The difficulty of finding someone in a six-item list is trivial. Organizing them alphabetically is unnecessary and obsessive-compulsive. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:31, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
::::This keeps changing. To throw my two cents in, I have to agree with the ABC sorting. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:13, 15 August 2006 (CDT)

The opening credit order is unchanged since the miniseries (except the miniseries bills Callum Keith Rennie before Grace Park, largely because Sharon wasn't a major character (or more than one character, for that matter) until the first season. Since we've already subdivided the template according to the actor's status within the show's production (stars, supporting actors, and recurring guest stars hold different types of contracts), it makes sense to order them that way as well. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:32, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
:Welll we don't need them to be in order. If we didn't have the "Supportings", "Main", "etc", section then I would suggest it that way, but since we already sperate the three sections, I don't think we need to keep in the order of the credits. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:35, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
::It just looks out of place to me to have, for instance, Apollo before Adama. The credit sequence also gives a logical sequence: first the leaders of the fleet, then the top pilots, then Baltar and the Cylons. Organizing alphabetically just scrambles them for no good reason (making Admiral Adama "easier to find" within a list of six characters is not a good reason). [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:39, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
:::To be less kind, ordering by the credits also looks sloppy and unprofessional. The simple reason is that it is in no way apparent they are sorted at all; I, for one, didn't realize it. Unsorted lists speak to haphazard work, and the ''appearance'' of being unsorted speaks no less loudly.

:::Should you like another reason, it is inconsistent to sort the different tiers of characters differently, yet we cannot reasonably use the same ordering scheme for recurring guests. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 03:08, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
::::And it looks anal-retentive and obsessive-compulsive to have them all alphabetized, especially when it screws with the (in my eyes better) organization scheme used in the credits (first the leaders of the fleet, then the pilots/young officers, then Baltar, then the main two Cylon characters). If you'd like, we could sort the other categories by importance or frequency of appearance as well. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 02:49, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::Actually, I was using the inapplicablity of such a method of sorting to the other categories as a argument against that ordering scheme for the main characters, so, no, I would not like that. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 03:06, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::::As with every other series out there, the credits are sorted by the importance of the actor and not the importance of the character. Therefore, I find the argument that the credits are sorted by the character's importance to be extremely weak at best. Secondly, alphabetical order makes sense, seeing as that how lists are typically sorted barring any other additional criteria that can be sorted. After all this template is named "Characters in the Current Series", not "Characters in the Current Series sorted by importance". Keeping that in mind, I concur with those who believe that alphabetically sorting this template will make the template make more sense out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:07, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::It's also not called "Characters in the Current Series sorted alphabetically". Clearly they must be sorted somehow; whether they are sorted logically or symbolically is a separate question. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:06, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Also, I need to make another point that just came to mind. Since LDYB, we have may spot changes. Take for instance Laura Roslin who is no longer president. Based off the "leaders first, military second and Cylons last" ordering scheme supported by Philwelch, Roslin would be moved immediately before the Cylons. Actually, the list of just the main characters would look very much like this: [[Gaius Baltar]] (Commander and Chief, President), [[William Adama]] (Admiral), [[Lee Adama]] (Commander), [[Kara Thrace]] (civvy), [[Laura Roslin]] (civvy), [[Number 6]], and [[Number 8]]. Food for thought, eh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:12, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::Yes, except Roslin quickly assumes something resembling her former role in the resistance while Baltar is still a Cylon collaborator, so it works out. Besides, we're back to the fleet (and the general status quo) within the first ten episodes anyway, just like Season Two. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:06, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

== Terminology issue ==

Okay, something is bothering me slightly, and I want someone's opinion on it before I shake the apple tree. The template is "Characters in the Reimagined Series", but we have a section that refers to "Recurring Guests". I should point out that the ''actors'' are the recurring guests, the ''characters'' are always there, even if they're not in the focus of a particular episode. I'm suggesting we drop the "guests" part off there. A minor nitpick, but one that has meaning within.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 15:35, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
: Thanks! You are indeed correct and I've gone ahead and fixed the error. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:42, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

== Adding Simon, Shortening Kat ==

Personally, I find it very odd that Simon isn't in the Character Template. Admittedly, he's one of the least frequently appearing of the Cylon characters, but he seems important enough to me that he should be included in the recurring characters.

This raises the issue of space in the template. I don't think anyone there deserves to be taken out. However, perhaps we could shorten the link for Kat. I don't see any real reason why we have her full name there. It's virtually never mentioned; she's pretty much universally referred to as Kat. At least with Lee and Kara, they are referred to as their given names and call signs with about equal frequency. Truncating Kat's link to merely "Kat" wouldn't confuse anyone looking for her, it would keep it in line with the links for "Hotdog" and "Racetrack," and it would afford Simon some space.

I didn't want to make any changes without hearing what others thought? Does listing her as 'Louanne "Kat" Katraine' really add anything to the template? And is there any particular reason to keep Simon on the list?-- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:56, 13 November 2006 (CST)
: No one responded to my proposal, so I was so bold as to go ahead and include Simon. If the decision is a poor one, it isn't permanent.
: I also noticed that in the other columns, the Cylons had been put at the end of the list, regardless of alphabetical order. I've done the same thing with the recurring category, so now Conoy, Doral, and Simon are at the end. -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:41, 16 November 2006 (CST)

::Actually, they were in alphabetical order by last name with ties broken based on alphabetical order by first name (or the word "Number"). "Valeri" comes last, explaining her place. The rest of the Cylons that were last ended up that way because they have no last name. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:07, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Could anobody tell me why Cavil is considered Supporting Character while Kat is considered Recurring? Cavil appeared in five episodes or so and Kat appeared in about fifteen... -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 21:57, 16 November 2006 (CST)

Template:Characters

2006-11-17T06:07:02Z

CalculatinAvatar: return to alphabetization

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| align="center" | '''[[Portal:Characters|Characters]] in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Current Series]]'''
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| align="center" style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Main:''' [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]] | [[William Adama]] | [[Gaius Baltar]] | [[Laura Roslin]] | [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] | [[Number Eight|Sharon (Number Eight)]] | [[Number Six]]
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| align="center" style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Supporting:''' [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] | [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]] | [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] | [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] | [[Billy Keikeya]] † | [[Saul Tigh]] | [[Cally Tyrol]] | [[Galen Tyrol]] | [[Cavil]] | [[Number Three]]
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| align="center" style="font-size: 90%;" |'''Recurring:''' [[Samuel Anders]] | [[Leoben Conoy]] | [[Brendan Constanza|"Hotdog"]] | [[Number Five|Aaron Doral]] | [[Margaret Edmondson|"Racetrack"]] | [[Louanne Katraine|"Kat"]] | [[Ellen Tigh]] † | [[Tom Zarek]] | [[Simon]]
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User talk:Agdesilva

2006-11-16T22:58:32Z

CalculatinAvatar: welcome

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Numerology

2006-11-13T05:44:20Z

CalculatinAvatar: /* 893893 */ make easier to check

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The [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined Battlestar Galactica]] series shares a humorous and sometimes mysterious affinity in placing numbers with popular-culture cross-references or inside jokes in episode content.

== 12 ==

* There are 12 Colonies which match the 12 zodiac symbols.
* There are 12 models of [[Cylon agent]].
* According to President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] there were 12 snakes encircling her press podium when she had one of her first [[Chamalla]]-induced visions ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). This vision was predicted by the prophet [[Pythia]], stating: "And the Lords anointed a leader to guide the caravan of the heavens to their new homeland. And unto the leader, they gave a vision of serpents, numbering two and ten, as a sign of things to come" ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).
* There were 12 Vipers that participated on the direct assault at the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]. Pythia's prophecy also mentioned that the humans would be led by "serpents numbering two and ten."
* There were 12 [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]] constructed on the onset of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).
* There are 12 days between the first time Helo and Caprica-Valerii make love and when she becomes visibly pregnant.
* There are twelve thoracic vertebrae in the human spine, which glow during sexual intercourse on Cylon agents.
* The number 12 is visible (albeit upside-down) on a fuzzy die in Starbuck's locker on ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== 13 ==

* There are 13 Colonies - the [[Twelve Colonies]], plus the thirteenth Colony, [[Earth]].
* There are 13 episodes in the first season of the re-imagined "Battlestar Galactica."
**This is the standard number of episodes in the first 'trial' season of many new shows; 52 weeks a year/4 = 13 weeks a "season" that they air episodes.
* 13 pilots were killed by the communication drone accident in "[[Act of Contrition]]."

== 33 ==

* [[33]] is the name of the first episode
* 33 is the number of minutes between Cylon attacks in the episode [[33]]
* 33 is the largest printed number on the [[Radio Magnetic Indicator]]
* The [[Wikipedia:Homeric Hymns|Homeric Hymns]] are '''33''' verses to various characters from Greek mythology, a few of which are also [[Lords of Kobol]].
* 33 people were killed when [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] suicide-bombed the New Caprica Police graduation.

=== From RDM's blog: Why 33 minutes? ===

:"The truth is, there's no real answer. It's just a random number that felt right when I came up with the idea that our people were under continuous, relentless attack since the end of the pilot. I wanted it to be a short interval, just long enough for them to grab a bite to eat, jump in the shower and maybe try to catch a catnap before dragging themselves back to their duty stations and begin the whole tedious, terrifying ordeal all over again.

:"A deeper truth is, I was never interested in coming up with an explanation for Why? Never. I mean, I suppose I could've come up with a sufficiently important-sounding bit of technobabble that would've made sense (you see, the [[Cylon]] double-talk sensors tracking the [[Olympic Carrier]]'s nonsense drive signature needed 15 minutes to relay the made-up data wave through the pretend continuum, then the Cylon navigational hyper silly system needed another 10 minutes to recalculate the flux capacitor, etc.) but what would that have really added to the drama? How does explaining that 33 minute interval help our understanding of [[Laura Roslin|Laura]]'s terrible moment of decision, or bring us to any greater knowledge of [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]]'s search for her missing family and friends, or yield insight into [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s morally shattered psyche?

:"It doesn't, of course. The answer, however artfully it may (or may not) have been crafted can only subtract from the experience we have in watching the episode. Not knowing the how's or why's of the Cylon attack puts us in the same seat as the characters we're watching. They're in the dark, and we're in the dark. The relentless attack is unfathomable in its origin and unstoppable in its execution. It's mortality coming at you on a loop. If you only had 33 minutes before the next time you could die, what would you do? And what about the time after that? And the time after that? At a certain point, you stop caring about why it's happening, all you know is that it is happening, and it's happening to you.

:"So the mystery of 33 will be permanent on this show. No explanation, not even the attempt. Let it just be a number that seemed like an eternity for five long days on the [[battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''."

== 42 ==

*There were 42 people in front of Secretary of Education [[Laura Roslin]] in line of succession for the presidency of the Twelve Colonies. "42" is the infamous "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything"...of course, no one knows what the ''Question'' is, so ''out of context'' as a result, "42" is meaningless. The "42" joke is from Douglas Adams's masterpiece, the five book "[[Wikipedia:Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy|The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy]]" Trilogy (yes, ''five'' book "Trilogy"). Another helpful axiom from the books is that when traveling around different planets through space, it's always best to "'''Know where your towel is"''' - which is considered a serious blunder to forget - a mistake which [[Lee Adama]] has nearly made on several occasions.

*The license plate number on the Humvee Helo and Starbuck are standing in front of at the end of "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]" is "FB '''42''' E3".

== 47 ==

*This was the last lottery number held by a lucky refugee on [[Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]], who was rescued by Lt. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] during an emergency stop on the Colony during the initial [[Cylon Attack]]. Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] appeared to momentarily consider using the number for himself as the older woman could not read her number (her forgetfulness led her to neglect her glasses on top of her head). But Baltar was frightened out of the idea when [[Karl Agathon]] recognized him, and Baltar feared arrest for [[Colonial Defense Mainframe|treason]].

*The [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' copy of Sharon Valerii]], as her stint as Boomer, the [[Raptor]] pilot, flew '''47''' missions in her Raptor ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

*The fighter tail number of [[Raymond Lai]]'s old Mark II [[Viper 8547|Viper]], later piloted by [[Kara Thrace]], is number 85'''47''' ([[Miniseries]]).

*The fighter tail number of [[William Adama]]'s refurbished Mark II [[Viper 7242|Viper]], later piloted by [[Lee Adama]] when escorting ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' back to Caprica, is '''7'''2'''4'''2 ([[Miniseries]])

The number 47 was a very common in-joke in "Star Trek: The Next Generation". Writer [[Wikipedia:Joe Menosky|Joe Menosky]], a Pomoma College alumni, originated this joke based on a humorous "47 Society" at the college. He and other writers placed the number as many times as possible throughout the series in [[technobabble]], props, and visual references.

The "47" joke has become the numerical counterpart to the audio clip known as the [[Wikipedia:Wilhelm scream|"Wilhelm Scream"]] that's added to many, many action movies as an in-joke between directors and sound editors. Currently, the TV spy drama "[[Wikipedia:Alias (TV series)|Alias]]" has taken the "47" joke to almost-epic proportions by placing very obvious references in most of its episodes over its 5-year history.

== 1701 ==
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|right|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in fleet.]]

This is part of the registry number of the famous "USS ''Enterprise''" of the "Star Trek" TV and movie series. In the [[Miniseries]], ''[[Colonial One]]'' rescues a passenger liner named "Gemenon Liner 1701." This is an inside nod to [[Ronald D. Moore|RDM]]'s work in the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" TV series.
Interestingly, the ''actual'' USS ''Enterprise'' NCC-1701 appeared in the miniseries tucked away in the background of the final shot of the fleet. As a result of stock footage, the Enterprise actually appears in the opening credits of every episode.

== 893893 ==
[[Tom Zarek|Zarek's]] repetitive prisoner number, 893893, is a multiple of 47: 893893 = 893 * 1001 = 19 * '''47''' * 1001.

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A Measure of Salvation

2006-11-12T19:58:21Z

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{{Episode Data
| title= A Measure of Salvation
| image= Amos.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 7
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]
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| director= [[Bill Eagles]]
| production= 307
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| US airdate= November 10, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,420
| prev= [[Torn]]
| next= [[Hero]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learns how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries; the virus inspires [[Lee]] to come up with a new strategy.''

== Summary ==
=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ===
*A boarding party comprising of [[Raptor]]s and [[Viper Mark VII|Vipers]] investigate the derelict [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]].
*Aboard the derelict, [[marines]] explore the corridors, finding the [[Cylon agent|Cylons]] dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but is unsuccessful.
*Some "skinjobs" around the control center revive and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor."
*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to ''Galactica'' when the basestar self-destructs.
*''Galactica'' quarantines the boarding party and prisoners while Dr. [[Cottle]] finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.
*Dr. Cottle's investigation identifies [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|a virus]] that can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]], [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], Lee Adama, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] would infect the others. He also mentions that [[Gaius Baltar]] provided the information on the path to [[Earth]].
*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Lee Adama suggests a plan to eliminate the entire Cylon race by executing their prisoners in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]], where the downloaded consciousnesses would infect the remaining Cylons. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide.
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Athena finds she's immune because of antibodies generated within her body by carrying her daughter, [[Hera]]. Helo tells her of the Fleet's plan, and Athena understands.
*Admiral Adama shows slight dissent about the plan, indicating regulations that forbid him to proceed without presidential order. Despite the ethical ramifications, the President authorizes the biological attack.
*''Galactica'' [[FTL|Jumps]] to a Cylon supply line, and launches Vipers and Raptors to attract the Cylon fleet. In the midst of this, Helo initiates a plan to thwart the execution, unplugging what looks like a standard power connector from an environmental control box.
*The Cylons jump into the area, with Resurrection Ship in tow. Adama orders the execution of the prisoners.
*Lee Adama leads a team to execute the prisoners, but finds that all the prisoners have been killed prior to the Resurrection Ship arriving. Adama orders a recall, and ''Galactica'' escapes without sustaining any major damage.
*Helo converses with Athena about his actions. He maintains that what he did was right, regardless of the consequences.
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Adama reports that the prisoners were suffocated due to a failure in the environmental controls. Roslin is quick to point out one or two might be responsible, but Adama closes the issue. Subsequently, the virus was most likely an accidental exposure, similar to one reported 3000 years ago. Adama points out that they're on the right track to Earth, but Roslin notes that the Cylons are on the right track as well.

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===

*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.
*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.
*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.

== Questions ==

* If [[Adama]] had brought the beacon aboard, what kind of information would it have given them about the location of Earth?
* Will [[Caprica-Six]] continue to stand by and permit Baltar's mistreatment at their hands?
* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?
* Of the Cylons, which type told the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[Cylon agent]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it have been [[Athena]]?
* What kind of new start are the [[Cylon]]s planning for [[Earth]]? Just a new home planet, an attempt at human Cylon relations not tainted by the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, or something else?
* Why did an entire Cylon fleet (including a [[Resurrection Ship]]) jump to the encounter with ''Galactica''? Why was the [[Resurrection Ship]] not left behind somewhere else, as it was done in previous battles?
* Is D'anna in love with Baltar?
* Why is [[Gaeta]] so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?
* Why does [[Simon]] so quickly claim science can not provide a solution to the infection?
* Why wasn't the execution squad in place and waiting with the prisoners so the plan could have been implemented in a timely manner?
* Since the plan was to execute the prisoners then jump away, why wasn't the jump drive already spun up and ready?
* The environmental controls seem to have been circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] pulling a single plug. In a combat ship aren't there cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions?
** The plug could mean anything; primary environmental sensors, the secondary units, or an interface access for CIC. The cable and its plug showing means something electrical, while a manual switch, lever or wheel may have been needed to reverse the air pressure.
* In his discussion with [[Laura Roslin]] at the end of the episode, [[Admiral Adama]] is aware that sabotage was involved in the death of the Cylon prisoners, yet he states there will be no investigation. While he might be relieved that the plan wasn't carried out, wouldn't he be seriously concerned and want to aggressively pursue this matter?
**Admiral Adama is a tactician. It is possible that he is trying to put the situation in a low light to prevent civilian intervention on board his ship. Note that he offered her a drink and also jumped to the fact the beacon may be from placed there by the 13th colony.
*Why was Sharon Agathon kept in quarantine after Cottle determined that humans were immune? Whether infected or not, she couldn't have transmitted the disease to anyone else, other than Cylon agents that may still be in the fleet.
**To be kept in quarantine not only means isolating a person from the public, but to be accessible to authorized personnel, such as Sharon Agathon to the medical staff who may not want her running around Galactica while they perform tests on her.
*[[Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him "D'anna". Is she, or at least does Baltar believe she is, the same number 3 that was previously masquerading in the fleet as a reporter?
*Has Starbuck regained full flight status, because she tried to pull her life together at the end of "[[Torn]]", or does she participate in the battle due to a pressing need for pilots?
*Will there be any consequences of the sabotage for Helo and Athena from other crewmembers who may figure they are behind said sabotage? How will this affect Helo's reputation as a Cylon-lover or his credibility as XO.
*Since the Cylon prisoners died after the jump, did they download and spread the infection despite Helo's sabotage? Raiders generally operate within range of a Resurrection Ship and Galactica encountered two raiders immediately after the jump.

== Analysis ==

*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It was quickly noted in the episode that Sharon was immune herself because fetal cells from [[Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.
**It can be assumed that executing the captured Cylons will send them back to the Resurrection ship, thus infecting the Cylon network. However, the Human-Cylon hybrid has no extra copies on the Resurrection ship to transfer into, thus the antibodes will not be spread into the Cylon Network.
*The wider implications of such an event could have been religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explinations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.
**The presence of Hera is profound enough to the Cylons, which could be preventing them from seeing that Hera could be used as a tool.
*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".
**Apollo's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat; he could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another.
**Also, by infecting a greater mass of ships, Galactica could board the ships, take much needed resources and more infected Cylons for further use as biological weapons.
*Adama's reaction to the premature death of the prisoners is yet another example of what are simultaneously his greatest virtues and most glaring flaws - his dedication to those under his command, and his need to keep his conscience clear.
*In this episode, [[Raptors]] are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[Miniseries]], [[The Hand of God]]), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Fragged]]), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II|II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.
*Helo has been promoted to the rank of Captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.
*Starbuck seems to have returned to flight status following her decision to pull herself together at the end of "[[Torn]]".
*The genetic pool the Cylons were created from predates the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This indicates another, non-Colonial, source for the DNA.
*The genetic pool need not be so old. Because humans had been completely immune to this virus for hundreds of years, the Cylons may have simply overlooked it while creating their humanoid models.

== Notes ==
*[[Survivor count|Fleet population]] is 41,420. Barring any births, there is an unaccounted loss of at least two since "[[Torn]]".
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[wikipedia:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]]. Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium. When the camera was recovered by Apollo 12 astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.
*This is the first episode in which [[Saul Tigh]] has not appeared. Currently, the only characters to have appeared in every episode are [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]].
*Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]], however [[w:encephalitis|encephalitis]] is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is [[wikipedia:Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus|Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus]].

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. Felix Gaeta
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as Sgt. [[Mathias]]
* [[imdb:0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)

== References ==
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Noel Allison

2006-11-10T06:15:33Z

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'''Noel "Narcho" Allison''' is a senior [[Viper Mark VII|Viper]] pilot on the [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

He accompanies Admiral Cain's delegation to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', and shows off his 38 kill markers to fellow pilots [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]].

Allison also participates in the briefing about the mysterious Cylon ship, and scoffs at [[Kara Thrace]]'s suggestion to use the [[Blackbird]] for the forthcoming recon mission on the [[Resurrection Ship|Cylon unknown]].

Allison is later part of the group of ''Pegasus'' alert vipers that launch in response to ''Galactica'' launching her own Vipers. Narcho appears to been the flight leader while their [[CAG]], [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]], was preparing for the Raptor recon mission.

During the Viper engagement, Allsion tangles with ''Galactica'' pilot [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]], though neither fires a shot ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).

Allison is now a pilot on ''Galactica'' and participates in the training mission that leads to [[Kara Thrace]]'s removal from flight status by ''Galactica'''s [[CAG]], [[Lee Adama]]. He is also present when [[Brendan Constanza]] suggests "[[Athena]]" as [[Sharon Agathon]]'s callsign ([[Torn]]).

==Notes==
*This character is identified as "Narcho" in the [[Podcast:Resurrection Ship, Part I|podcast]] for the episode "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]", however, he is not listed in the ending credits for that episode.
*His real name was supplied by [[Bradley Thompson]].
*The IMDb listing for actor Sebastian Spence lists the character as "Whiplash", which is incorrect.

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Picon 36

2006-11-10T05:41:24Z

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'''''Picon 36''''' is the designation of an unseen ship that is part of [[Laura Roslin]]'s rescue caravan as the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]] leaves many civilian ships stranded or hunted down by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The captain of ''Picon 36'' expresses shock to ''[[Colonial One]]'' that the caravan is jumping to [[Ragnar Anchorage]], leaving behind the [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight]] ships to escape with as many people as possible before an imminent Cylon ambush on the caravan. As its captain argued with ''Colonial One'' about leaving the sublights behind, it is assumed it jumped ([[Miniseries]]).

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Freighter 212

2006-11-10T05:40:07Z

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'''Freighter 212''' is a ship in [[the Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] on which [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] apparently has some "buddies" ([[Final Cut]]). It is not clear whether ''Freighter 212'' is the ship's proper name or merely its callsign.

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The Fleet (TRS)

2006-11-10T05:36:24Z

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:''This article involves the caravan of [[FTL|faster-than-light]]-capable civilian ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on its [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight]] counterpart in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see [[The Fleet (TOS)]]. For information on the military ships that protected the Twelve Colonies before their demise, see [[Colonial Fleet]].'' 

'''The Fleet''' is the convoy of ships that contain what is effectively the last survivors of humanity after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]]. The Fleet forms the backdrop of the drama of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the re-imagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' series]].

Unofficially, many viewers refer to the Fleet as the "RTF"; "Rag Tag Fleet", or more fully, "RTFF." These nicknames come from the term "Rag Tag Fugitive Fleet," a name used in the opening credits voiceover (performed by [[Lorne Greene]]) describing the [[The Fleet (TOS)|civilian refugee fleet]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].
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==Overview==
"The Fleet" begins as a convoy of about sixty stranded commercial and civilian ships around the area of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] assembled by new President [[Laura Roslin]] in the immediate aftermath of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]] ([[Miniseries]]). Of these ships, only a handful were Colonial military craft, such as [[Raptor 478]] and three [[Viper (RDM)|Viper Mark VII]] fighters. One [[ECO]], [[Crashdown]], is called a "refugee from [[Triton]]," suggesting that he escaped that battlestar's destruction with Roslin's convoy.

Twenty ships of the convoy are abandoned to an imminent Cylon attack because they lacked [[FTL]] drives. The remainder of the Fleet joins with battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', the only [[Pegasus (RDM)|known]] surviving warship in the first months after the events of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The Fleet represents the last vestige of humanity. The political and social troubles of the Fleet as it wanders through space function as a metaphor for all of humanity, since the Fleet literally ''is'' what is left of humanity in the television series.

The phrase "the Fleet" functions not only as a signifier for the actual ships of the convoy, but as a substitute for the people on board, and therefore for mankind. Usage of the term "the Fleet" has not gained more than an informal acceptance, as can be seen by President Roslin's continued use of the term ''President of the [[Twelve Colonies]].'' This may be interpreted as either an expression of hope that eventually the people on board the ships of the Fleet will reestablish themselves on a new colony permanently, or a psychological inability to confront that the Fleet may be the only home that humanity knows for a very long time.

[[Saul Tigh]]'s assertion in "[[The Farm]]" that the twenty four ships which departed with the [[Laura Roslin faction]] during her insurrection represented "almost a third of the fleet" imply that the number of ships in the Fleet is approximately in the mid-70's.

==Ships==
* The ships that comprise the Fleet feature a type of security launch key used to activate the ship's systems ([[Precipice]]} The keys are unique to each vessel and are extremely difficult to copy.
====Military Vessels====
* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', last remaining [[Galactica type battlestar|original battlestar]] and main protector and flagship of the Fleet, under direct command of Admiral [[William Adama]] ([[Miniseries]])
* ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a [[Mercury class battlestar]] formerly commanded by [[Helena Cain]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]), Jack Fisk ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]) and [[Barry Garner]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]). Under the command of [[Lee Adama]] when it was destroyed at the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part II]])

====Government Vessels====
* ''[[Cloud 9]]'', a luxury liner designed to mimic the enviroment of a habitable planet.
**Meeting place of the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. ([[Colonial Day]])
**Base of operations for [[Demand Peace]] ([[Epiphanies]])
**Destroyed by a nuke along with at least three other ships. ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* ''[[Colonial One]]'', President [[Laura Roslin]]'s ship and ostensible seat of government, previously known as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' ([[Miniseries]])

====Civilian Vessels====
* ''[[Astral Queen]]'', prison ship noted for carrying 1500 prisoners, including [[Tom Zarek]] ([[Bastille Day]])
* ''[[Botanical Cruiser]]'' (While the original was destroyed in the [[Miniseries]], various background shots have placed an [[FTL]]-equipped Botanical Cruiser in the Fleet.)
* ''[[Daru Mozu]]'', a [[tylium]] refinery ship. Damaged by a suicide bomber ([[Epiphanies]])
* ''[[Gemenon Traveller]]'', a civilian ship where a copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] is captured ([[Flesh and Bone]])
* ''[[Gemini]]'', a freighter ([[Miniseries]])
* ''[[Gideon]]'', a supply ship involved in an incident where four civilians were killed by ''Galactica'' marines ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])
* ''[[Prometheus]]'', an "off the grid" freighter and den of mercenary-turned-crime boss [[Phelan]]
* ''[[Space Park]]'' (Identified on official Sci-Fi Channel web site but not yet named in an aired episode)
* 3 ''[[Colonial Movers]]'' heavy transports
** At least one destroyed in the ''Cloud 9'' disaster.

=====[[Intersun Passenger Cruiser]]s=====
* ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', destroyed in "[[33]]" after an apparent Cylon takeover.
* ''[[Gemenon Liner 1701]]'', found by ''Colonial One'' shortly after Laura Roslin's hasty inauguration ([[Miniseries]])
* Unnamed [[Orange Passenger Cruiser]] ([[Miniseries]])
* An unnamed ''[[Pan Galactic]]'' spaceliner ([[Miniseries]])

=====Celestra Type=====
* ''[[Celestra]]'' (mentioned only)
* ''[[Striker]]'', damaged in a refuelling operation overseen by Capt. [[George Birch]] ([[Home, Part I]])

=====Kimba Huta type=====
* ''[[Kimba Huta]]'', a cold storage vessel on which exiled President Roslin hides from Commander Adama and Colonel Tigh ([[The Farm]])
*3+ other tranports seen throughout the fleet

=====Flattop Type=====
* ''[[Flattop]]'', a [[salvage and repair]] ship (Identified on official Sci-Fi Channel web site but not yet seen in aired episode)
* ''[[Virgon Express]]'' ([[Water]])

=====[[Mining Ship]]s=====
* ''[[Majahual]]'', a mining ship digging for crucial metals ([[Scar]])
* ''[[Monarch]]'', a mining ship that joined the [[Laura Roslin faction]] ([[Home, Part I]])

=====Mentioned Only=====
* ''[[Adriatic]]'', a member of the Roslin faction armed with ship-to-ship missiles ([[Home, Part I]])
* ''[[Baah Pakal]]'', a ship carrying unused [[DDG-62]] engines onboard ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])
* ''[[Coronis]]'' ([[Litmus]], [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/106/deleted1.html deleted scene])
* ''[[Demetrius]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Diomedes]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Embla Brokk]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Enkidu]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Epheme]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Fanu Sadin]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Freighter 212]]'', a ship [[Louanne Katraine]] apparently has some "buddies" on ([[Final Cut]])
* ''[[Galatea]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Greenleaf]]'', a freighter where [[Asha Janik]] and [[Ray Abinell]] were maintenance workers.
* ''[[Harrak]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[McConnell]]'', a supply ship frequented by Commander [[Jack Fisk]]
* ''[[Mutem Wia]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Odysseus]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Persephone]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Picon 36]]'', [[Miniseries]]
* ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'', mentioned frequently but as yet unseen.
* ''[[Salpica]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Sargon]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Scorpia Traveler]]'', a civilian ship that carried a suicide bomber copy of [[Aaron Doral]] ([[Litmus]])
* ''[[Swordfish]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Tarbadeck]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Tauranian Traveler]]'', mentioned in a deleted scene in "[[33]]" and visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Zephyr]]'' ([[Fragged]])

In the episode "[[The Farm]]", 24 ships leave the Fleet to return to Kobol. [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] provides the following breakdown:
*12 transports - incl. the ''Astral Queen'', and the ''Gemenon Traveller''
*7 freighters
*3 construction platforms
*1 private cruiser
*1 mining ship - the ''Monarch''.

==Demographics==
A few points of information are available concerning the demographics of the Fleet. In "[[33]]", before the destruction of the Olympic Carrier, there were 5,251 survivors from Sagittaron and 49,998 total survivors. In "[[Home, Part I]]", the [[Laura Roslin faction]] left the Fleet with 18,000 individuals, of which 9,500 were Gemenons and 6,250 were Capricans. At that time the total population of the fleet was 47,857.

This information is sparse, but it gives a general idea of the population breakdown of the Fleet if a few assumptions are made for the sake of argument.
*Note that Gemenon and Caprica had more citizens in the Roslin faction alone than Sagittaron had in the entire Fleet. The Twelve Colonies are clearly not represented in equal proportion.
*Before the destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier'', Sagittaron natives made up 10.50% of the fleet. Solely for the purpose of argument, we assume that the ''Olympic Carrier'''s population breakdown was identical to the rest of the fleet's and that Sagittaron continues to make up 10.50% of the Fleet's total population.
*The figures from the Roslin faction can be viewed in several ways:
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics1.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 1: All Gemenons and Capricans jumped to Kobol with the Roslin faction.
::*Caprica: 6,250 persons (13.06%)
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (19.85%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 27,081 (56.59%) 
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics2.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 2: All Gemenons jumped to Kobol with the Roslin faction, lured by the "religion card", but Caprican portion of the Roslin faction was representative of the Fleet.
::*Caprica: 28,204 persons (58.93%)
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (19.85%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 5,127 persons (10.72%) 
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics3.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 3: Caprican and Gemenon portions of the Roslin faction were representative of the fleet.
::*Caprica: 16,617 persons (34.72%)
::*Gemenon: 25,258 persons (52.78%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 956 (2.00%) 
*Although it is plausible that the Caprican population is substantially larger than the other colonies, as ''Colonial Heavy 798'' was in the vicinity when the attack began, and was the nucleus around which the fleet rallied, it is unlikely that the populations of each colony are grossly unequal, or else the [[Quorum of Twelve]] would be a very poor system of government. The likeliest scenario is therefore probably somewhere in between Assumptions 1 and 2, with nearly all of the Gemenon population (drawn by the "religion card") and a large portion of the Caprican population leaving with Roslin.
*Alternatively, it is in fact possible that the populations of the colonies were grossly unequal. Though the structure of the [[Quorum of Twelve]] appears to maintain at least a fiction that the colonies were roughly equal, we know next to nothing about how the governmental system of the colonies was established or evolved over time. Indeed, the United States Senate, for example, by design expressly assumes that the various states constituting it are 'equal' even though this is clearly not the case in terms of their respective populations. Furthermore, the fact that a system of government is 'poor' or else not representatively proportional does not mean it cannot actually be implemented and even survive for long periods of time.

As for population distribution, we know the population of ''Galactica'' (2,693 as of [[Water]]), the ''Olympic Carrier'' (1,345 as of [[33]]) and ''Astral Queen'' (1,500 as of [[Bastille Day]], [[List of retcons (RDM)|retconned]] up from 500 in the Miniseries). There are 176 civillians in the cargo hold of [[Colonial One]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". The fleet is stated at about 75 ships in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", retconned up from 40 in the mini.
*Going by the 75 ship count, the remaining ships besides ''Galactica'' and the ''Astral Queen'' each carry about 600 persons on average.
*The 23 ships that left with the [[Laura Roslin faction]], apart from the ''Astral Queen'', would have an average population of about 720 persons per ship.

==Notes==
In the [[Miniseries]], astute viewers may recognize three spacecraft with notable resemblances of ships from other SF universes. These ships aren't considered a [[Canon|canonical]] part of the series or the Fleet, but their appearance adds a bit of humor and pays homage to other notable science fiction and their creative staff.

* ''Serenity'', the central ship from the TV series "[[Wikipedia:Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]]" and the motion picture, "[[Wikipedia:Serenity (film)|Serenity]]", [[:Image:SerenityBSGMini.JPG|appears briefly in the sky]] outside the window of a doctor's office where viewers first see [[Laura Roslin]]. The ship does not appear in the Fleet.

* The original USS [[Wikipedia:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)|''Enterprise'' (NCC-1701)]] from the original ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' TV series makes a cameo in the [[:Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|last shot of the Fleet]] as [[Elosha]] chants a prayer in the memorial service near the end of the Miniseries. Look to the upper right corner for the ship in a still frame. All season 1 opening credits use this shot, so ''Enterprise'' makes a very quick appearance with each of the first 13 episodes (This is best viewed from the [[Season 1 DVD]] set).

*The ill-fated [[Botanical Cruiser]] was added in homage to the [[Agro Ship]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original ''Battlestar Galactica'']] TV series, which in turn were the re-used models from the SF film ''[[Wikipedia:Silent Running|Silent Running]]'', a Universal/MCA movie that special effects guru [[John Dykstra]] worked on a few years prior to the Original Series. The ship reappears in the regular series, despite its destruction in the Miniseries, suggesting that similar ships survive and exist in the Fleet.

==See Also==
[[:Category:Colonial Craft|Colonial Craft]]

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category: Terminology]]
[[Category:RDM]]

[[de:Die Flotte (RDM)]]

The Fleet (TRS)

2006-11-10T05:33:47Z

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:''This article involves the caravan of [[FTL|faster-than-light]]-capable civilian ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on its [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight]] counterpart in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see [[The Fleet (TOS)]]. For information on the military ships that protected the Twelve Colonies before their demise, see [[Colonial Fleet]].'' 

'''The Fleet''' is the convoy of ships that contain what is effectively the last survivors of humanity after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]]. The Fleet forms the backdrop of the drama of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the re-imagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' series]].

Unofficially, many viewers refer to the Fleet as the "RTF"; "Rag Tag Fleet", or more fully, "RTFF." These nicknames come from the term "Rag Tag Fugitive Fleet," a name used in the opening credits voiceover (performed by [[Lorne Greene]]) describing the [[The Fleet (TOS)|civilian refugee fleet]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].
[[Image:Mini side fleet.jpg|right|400px]]
==Overview==
"The Fleet" begins as a convoy of about sixty stranded commercial and civilian ships around the area of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] assembled by new President [[Laura Roslin]] in the immediate aftermath of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]] ([[Miniseries]]). Of these ships, only a handful were Colonial military craft, such as [[Raptor 478]] and three [[Viper (RDM)|Viper Mark VII]] fighters. One [[ECO]], [[Crashdown]], is called a "refugee from [[Triton]]," suggesting that he escaped that battlestar's destruction with Roslin's convoy.

Twenty ships of the convoy are abandoned to an imminent Cylon attack because they lacked [[FTL]] drives. The remainder of the Fleet joins with battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', the only [[Pegasus (RDM)|known]] surviving warship in the first months after the events of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The Fleet represents the last vestige of humanity. The political and social troubles of the Fleet as it wanders through space function as a metaphor for all of humanity, since the Fleet literally ''is'' what is left of humanity in the television series.

The phrase "the Fleet" functions not only as a signifier for the actual ships of the convoy, but as a substitute for the people on board, and therefore for mankind. Usage of the term "the Fleet" has not gained more than an informal acceptance, as can be seen by President Roslin's continued use of the term ''President of the [[Twelve Colonies]].'' This may be interpreted as either an expression of hope that eventually the people on board the ships of the Fleet will reestablish themselves on a new colony permanently, or a psychological inability to confront that the Fleet may be the only home that humanity knows for a very long time.

[[Saul Tigh]]'s assertion in "[[The Farm]]" that the twenty four ships which departed with the [[Laura Roslin faction]] during her insurrection represented "almost a third of the fleet" imply that the number of ships in the Fleet is approximately in the mid-70's.

==Ships==
* The ships that comprise the Fleet feature a type of security launch key used to activate the ship's systems ([[Precipice]]} The keys are unique to each vessel and are extremely difficult to copy.
====Military Vessels====
* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', last remaining [[Galactica type battlestar|original battlestar]] and main protector and flagship of the Fleet, under direct command of Admiral [[William Adama]] ([[Miniseries]])
* ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a [[Mercury class battlestar]] formerly commanded by [[Helena Cain]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]), Jack Fisk ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]) and [[Barry Garner]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]). Under the command of [[Lee Adama]] when it was destroyed at the [[Battle of New Caprica]] ([[Exodus, Part II]])

====Government Vessels====
* ''[[Cloud 9]]'', a luxury liner designed to mimic the enviroment of a habitable planet.
**Meeting place of the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. ([[Colonial Day]])
**Base of operations for [[Demand Peace]] ([[Epiphanies]])
**Destroyed by a nuke along with at least three other ships. ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* ''[[Colonial One]]'', President [[Laura Roslin]]'s ship and ostensible seat of government, previously known as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' ([[Miniseries]])

====Civilian Vessels====
* ''[[Astral Queen]]'', prison ship noted for carrying 1500 prisoners, including [[Tom Zarek]] ([[Bastille Day]])
* ''[[Botanical Cruiser]]'' (While the original was destroyed in the [[Miniseries]], various background shots have placed an [[FTL]]-equipped Botanical Cruiser in the Fleet.)
* ''[[Daru Mozu]]'', a [[tylium]] refinery ship. Damaged by a suicide bomber ([[Epiphanies]])
* ''[[Gemenon Traveller]]'', a civilian ship where a copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] is captured ([[Flesh and Bone]])
* ''[[Gemini]]'', a freighter ([[Miniseries]])
* ''[[Gideon]]'', a supply ship involved in an incident where four civilians were killed by ''Galactica'' marines ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])
* ''[[Prometheus]]'', an "off the grid" freighter and den of mercenary-turned-crime boss [[Phelan]]
* ''[[Space Park]]'' (Identified on official Sci-Fi Channel web site but not yet named in an aired episode)
* 3 ''[[Colonial Movers]]'' heavy transports
** At least one destroyed in the ''Cloud 9'' disaster.

=====[[Intersun Passenger Cruiser]]s=====
* ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', destroyed in "[[33]]" after an apparent Cylon takeover.
* ''[[Gemenon Liner 1701]]'', found by ''Colonial One'' shortly after Laura Roslin's hasty inauguration ([[Miniseries]])
* Unnamed [[Orange Passenger Cruiser]] ([[Miniseries]])
* An unnamed ''[[Pan Galactic]]'' spaceliner ([[Miniseries]])

=====Celestra Type=====
* ''[[Celestra]] (mentioned only)
* ''[[Striker]]'', damaged in a refuelling operation overseen by Capt. [[George Birch]] ([[Home, Part I]])

=====Kimba Huta type=====
* ''[[Kimba Huta]]'', a cold storage vessel on which exiled President Roslin hides from Commander Adama and Colonel Tigh ([[The Farm]])
*3+ other tranports seen throughout the fleet

=====Flattop Type=====
* ''[[Flattop]]'', a [[salvage and repair]] ship (Identified on official Sci-Fi Channel web site but not yet seen in aired episode)
* ''[[Virgon Express]]'' ([[Water]])

=====[[Mining Ship]]s=====
* ''[[Majahual]]'', a mining ship digging for crucial metals ([[Scar]])
* ''[[Monarch]]'', a mining ship that joined the [[Laura Roslin faction]] ([[Home, Part I]])

=====Mentioned Only=====
* ''[[Adriatic]]'', a member of the Roslin faction armed with ship-to-ship missiles ([[Home, Part I]])
* ''[[Baah Pakal]]'', a ship carrying unused [[DDG-62]] engines onboard ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])
* ''[[Coronis]]'' ([[Litmus]], [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/106/deleted1.html deleted scene])
* ''[[Demetrius]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Diomedes]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Embla Brokk]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Enkidu]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Epheme]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Fanu Sadin]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Freighter 212]]'', a ship [[Louanne Katraine]] apparently has some "buddies" on ([[Final Cut]])
* ''[[Galatea]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Greenleaf]]'', a freighter where [[Asha Janik]] and [[Ray Abinell]] were maintenance workers.
* ''[[Harrak]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[McConnell]]'', a supply ship frequented by Commander [[Jack Fisk]]
* ''[[Mutem Wia]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Odysseus]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Persephone]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Picon 36]]'', [[Miniseries]]
* ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'', mentioned frequently but as yet unseen.
* ''[[Salpica]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Sargon]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Scorpia Traveler]]'', a civilian ship that carried a suicide bomber copy of [[Aaron Doral]] ([[Litmus]])
* ''[[Swordfish]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Tarbadeck]]'', visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Tauranian Traveler]]'', mentioned in a deleted scene in "[[33]]" and visible on vote tally boards in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
* ''[[Zephyr]]'' ([[Fragged]])

In the episode "[[The Farm]]", 24 ships leave the Fleet to return to Kobol. [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] provides the following breakdown:
*12 transports - incl. the ''Astral Queen'', and the ''Gemenon Traveller''
*7 freighters
*3 construction platforms
*1 private cruiser
*1 mining ship - the ''Monarch''.

==Demographics==
A few points of information are available concerning the demographics of the Fleet. In "[[33]]", before the destruction of the Olympic Carrier, there were 5,251 survivors from Sagittaron and 49,998 total survivors. In "[[Home, Part I]]", the [[Laura Roslin faction]] left the Fleet with 18,000 individuals, of which 9,500 were Gemenons and 6,250 were Capricans. At that time the total population of the fleet was 47,857.

This information is sparse, but it gives a general idea of the population breakdown of the Fleet if a few assumptions are made for the sake of argument.
*Note that Gemenon and Caprica had more citizens in the Roslin faction alone than Sagittaron had in the entire Fleet. The Twelve Colonies are clearly not represented in equal proportion.
*Before the destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier'', Sagittaron natives made up 10.50% of the fleet. Solely for the purpose of argument, we assume that the ''Olympic Carrier'''s population breakdown was identical to the rest of the fleet's and that Sagittaron continues to make up 10.50% of the Fleet's total population.
*The figures from the Roslin faction can be viewed in several ways:
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics1.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 1: All Gemenons and Capricans jumped to Kobol with the Roslin faction.
::*Caprica: 6,250 persons (13.06%)
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (19.85%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 27,081 (56.59%) 
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics2.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 2: All Gemenons jumped to Kobol with the Roslin faction, lured by the "religion card", but Caprican portion of the Roslin faction was representative of the Fleet.
::*Caprica: 28,204 persons (58.93%)
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (19.85%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 5,127 persons (10.72%) 
<div style="float:right; margin:10px">[[Image:Demographics3.png]]</div>
:*ASSUMPTION 3: Caprican and Gemenon portions of the Roslin faction were representative of the fleet.
::*Caprica: 16,617 persons (34.72%)
::*Gemenon: 25,258 persons (52.78%)
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)
::*Others: 956 (2.00%) 
*Although it is plausible that the Caprican population is substantially larger than the other colonies, as ''Colonial Heavy 798'' was in the vicinity when the attack began, and was the nucleus around which the fleet rallied, it is unlikely that the populations of each colony are grossly unequal, or else the [[Quorum of Twelve]] would be a very poor system of government. The likeliest scenario is therefore probably somewhere in between Assumptions 1 and 2, with nearly all of the Gemenon population (drawn by the "religion card") and a large portion of the Caprican population leaving with Roslin.
*Alternatively, it is in fact possible that the populations of the colonies were grossly unequal. Though the structure of the [[Quorum of Twelve]] appears to maintain at least a fiction that the colonies were roughly equal, we know next to nothing about how the governmental system of the colonies was established or evolved over time. Indeed, the United States Senate, for example, by design expressly assumes that the various states constituting it are 'equal' even though this is clearly not the case in terms of their respective populations. Furthermore, the fact that a system of government is 'poor' or else not representatively proportional does not mean it cannot actually be implemented and even survive for long periods of time.

As for population distribution, we know the population of ''Galactica'' (2,693 as of [[Water]]), the ''Olympic Carrier'' (1,345 as of [[33]]) and ''Astral Queen'' (1,500 as of [[Bastille Day]], [[List of retcons (RDM)|retconned]] up from 500 in the Miniseries). There are 176 civillians in the cargo hold of [[Colonial One]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". The fleet is stated at about 75 ships in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", retconned up from 40 in the mini.
*Going by the 75 ship count, the remaining ships besides ''Galactica'' and the ''Astral Queen'' each carry about 600 persons on average.
*The 23 ships that left with the [[Laura Roslin faction]], apart from the ''Astral Queen'', would have an average population of about 720 persons per ship.

==Notes==
In the [[Miniseries]], astute viewers may recognize three spacecraft with notable resemblances of ships from other SF universes. These ships aren't considered a [[Canon|canonical]] part of the series or the Fleet, but their appearance adds a bit of humor and pays homage to other notable science fiction and their creative staff.

* ''Serenity'', the central ship from the TV series "[[Wikipedia:Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]]" and the motion picture, "[[Wikipedia:Serenity (film)|Serenity]]", [[:Image:SerenityBSGMini.JPG|appears briefly in the sky]] outside the window of a doctor's office where viewers first see [[Laura Roslin]]. The ship does not appear in the Fleet.

* The original USS [[Wikipedia:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)|''Enterprise'' (NCC-1701)]] from the original ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' TV series makes a cameo in the [[:Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|last shot of the Fleet]] as [[Elosha]] chants a prayer in the memorial service near the end of the Miniseries. Look to the upper right corner for the ship in a still frame. All season 1 opening credits use this shot, so ''Enterprise'' makes a very quick appearance with each of the first 13 episodes (This is best viewed from the [[Season 1 DVD]] set).

*The ill-fated [[Botanical Cruiser]] was added in homage to the [[Agro Ship]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original ''Battlestar Galactica'']] TV series, which in turn were the re-used models from the SF film ''[[Wikipedia:Silent Running|Silent Running]]'', a Universal/MCA movie that special effects guru [[John Dykstra]] worked on a few years prior to the Original Series. The ship reappears in the regular series, despite its destruction in the Miniseries, suggesting that similar ships survive and exist in the Fleet.

==See Also==
[[:Category:Colonial Craft|Colonial Craft]]

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category: Terminology]]
[[Category:RDM]]

[[de:Die Flotte (RDM)]]

Battlestar Wiki:Featured pictures/Debate for November 2006

2006-11-10T05:25:52Z

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== Notice ==

This FP will go on for till Friday. Get your votes in now.[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:47, 7 November 2006 (CST)

==[[:Image:Galactica in Atmosphere FTLing.jpg]]==
* {{Support}} Hands down.. the best looking and most exciting part of Season 3 so far. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:45, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{Support}} I have to agree with Shane on this one. Possibly the best moment in the series. --[[User:Parlemer|Parlemer]] 20:09, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{Support}} The Adama Maneouvere deserves recognition --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 14:55, 10 November 2006 (EST)

==Pegasus Ramming a Basestar==
* {{Support}}''''!'''' The Pegasus served the fleet well, and it seems appropriate to honor her death with an FP. Also it's an awesome picture. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:00, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{Support}} concurr with the support for this one, shame the quality is a bit low. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 15:23, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{Support}} I will see if I can do a better capture. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:31, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{support}} --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:16, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{support}} -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:22, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{support}} -- While I think ''Galactica'' in atmosphere is a more spectacular shot, the parallel with the first series compels me to vote for this homage extraordinaire. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:25, 9 November 2006 (CST)

James Lyman

2006-11-03T20:33:25Z

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'''James "Jammer" Lyman''' is first seen as a deckhand under Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

When President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] makes it public knowledge that Cylons are now capable of [[Cylon agent|mimicking human form]], paranoia spreads throughout the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]. [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] and [[Socinus]] argue with Lyman that everyone shouldn't become suspicious and stop trusting one another or the Cylons get what they want. Lyman tells his shipmates that the time for that kind of thinking is in the past and it's "every man for himself now" ([[Litmus]]).

When [[Cylon Centurion]]s board ''Galactica'' ([[Valley of Darkness]]), Captain [[Lee Adama]] and a team of Marines find Lyman hiding unharmed in a small arms locker room filled with crewmen the Cylons killed.

Lyman also scoffs Tyrol's attempt at constructing the [[Blackbird]], though he later reconsiders his decision and aids the deck crew and Tyrol in finishing the prototype, signing his nickname on the hull ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

As with most of the Fleet, Lyman settles on [[New Caprica]]. After the Cylons occupy the planet, Lyman becomes a member of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. He appears to be very religious, and objects to hiding weapons in the [[temple]]. Lyman is picked up by the Cylon authorities and asked about the events of the temple by a copy of [[Number Five]]. He later joins the [[New Caprica Police]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]]).

Lyman survives the suicide bombing carried out by [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]] at the NCP graduation ceremony and later participates in the rounding up of "insurgents" ordered by the Cylons. Like all NCP personnel, he wears a mask to conceal his identity, and not even Tyrol is aware of Lyman's new position. Jammer has a slight change of heart when the Cylons order the execution of 200 detainees, including Cally. At the execution site, just before the firing squad of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] appears, he cuts Cally's bonds and tells her to run ([[Precipice]]). The Centurions are then fired on by Tyrol and his fellow insurgents, who rescue the detainees ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

Jammer escapes Tyrol's squad and is seen again as New Caprica City is being evacuated during the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. [[Tom Zarek]] gives him a sidearm and tells him to guard [[Laura Roslin]] as she makes her way back to ''[[Colonial One]]''. Lyman is on board the Presidential liner when it takes off to rendezvous with the Fleet ([[Exodus, Part II]]).
[[Image:Collaborators - Jammer in the tube.jpg|thumb|right|Jammer in the launch tube ([[Collaborators]])]]
On the third night following the [[Second Exodus|escape from New Caprica]], Lyman is brought before [[The Circle]], a tribunal secretly created by an executive order of President [[Tom Zarek]]. The Circle consists of six members who formerly served in the leadership of the New Caprica Resistance. The Circle convicts Lyman of crimes against humanity and treason and sentences him to death.

Lyman pleads for his life, imploring Chief Tyrol to have mercy on him because he saved Cally Tyrol's life. His pleas fall on deaf ears as he is dirctly responsible for the deaths of 23 people. Jammer is jettisoned from ''Galactica'' via one of the [[launch tubes|launch tubes]] and dies from vacuum exposure. Commander [[Lee Adama]] informs Admiral [[William Adama]] that Lyman is among the people who turn up missing, as Lyman failed to report for duty the following morning and could not be located on ''Galactica'' ([[Collaborators]]).

== Notes ==

Lyman is distinct amongst the deck crew of ''Galactica'' in that while essentially all of the other deck crew characters so far shown wear orange jumpsuits, Lyman's jumpsuit is yellow (this makes him easy to spot for fans who might not know who he is). This is probably done to add to the realism of the Re-imagined Series, because real-world aircraft carrier deck crew personnel wear color-coded jumpsuits according to their assigned tasks.

On real-world US Navy carriers, yellow-suited deck crewmen are charged with aircraft handling, catapult gear, and plane direction duties. The US Navy actually doesn't use an orange-suit designation, but the closest to that are red-suited personel, who are charged with ordnance, crash and salvage duties.

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Monarch

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The ''Monarch'' is one of the few [[Mining Ship|mining ships]] still remaining after the [[Cylon attack]]. It joined up with the [[The Fleet (RDM)|rag-tag fleet]]. Later was one of 24 ships that comprised the [[Laura Roslin faction]] in orbit around [[Kobol]] ([[The Farm]]).

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== Suggested changes ==

<nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> should probably be used instead of <nowiki>{{{name}}}</nowiki>, unless there is a use for this template other than on battle pages. "Attacker" and "defender" probably shouldn't be used in the output, though they are fine variable names unless brevity argues strongly enough for "L" and "R." The word "strength" is used twice for two distinct purposes; [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] uses "Combatants" for the first instance, and I am inclined to agree with its usage. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 16:18, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

:<nowiki>{{{name}}}</nowiki> is only used if the name of the template should be named different due to size or "(SERIES)". --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:35, 21 June 2006 (CDT)

"Combatants" is better than a division of "attacker" and "defender".--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:13, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

The heading "General Information" seems superfluous. I dislike the phrase '"Life" Casualties,' but I haven't thought of a solid replacement yet. Otherwise, the thing is beautiful; y'all have done very good work. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:24, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
:Personnel Casualties?--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:29, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::Actually, based on both my own unerstanding of the term and [http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/c/c0150900.html], I think "Casualties" implies "Personnel," so I suppose I dislike "Ship Casualties," as well. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:50, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
:::Anymore comments before I impliment this template? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:17, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

== table inside a table ==

Was the only way for it to look right. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

==Final comments==
Any other comments before I start the changes to add this template into the articles? Suggestions for change of the variable names? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 05:48, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
*Current variables:
**scasualties1
**scasualties2
**lcasualties1
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*New variables?
**shiploss1
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**casualties1
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What about those with title Personnel Caualties changed to just Casualties --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Mercifull|E]]) 07:44, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
:Ok i will be making the changes to the template this week.--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:56, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

What about "material losses" instead of "ship losses"? That's more general, and technically speaking, Vipers and Raptors aren't "ships". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 08:52, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:I like "material losses". That would allow the people to go back to "casualties" that much more smoothly, and could account for any other critical pieces of equipment that might be a factor. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:56, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

For Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Battle of Midway|Battle of Midway]] page, which I'm basing a lot of the battle pages on, they just have "Casualties". I actually think "material losses" makes it look like there's one too many subheadings, and there's be less clutter if just merged with "Casualties". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:27, 10 July 2006 (CDT)
:I see your point. I wish you could have mentioned this before it was implemented but nvm. Wondering what other people think about this issue? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:53, 11 July 2006 (CDT)
::Those have excat counts. We don't really have that infomation. We also identifity better with "names" and assoactions better than general comments. Grouping them, also, would create style problems. One thing I do suggest is a palce for the "caption" and move the "teather" above the image just like the [[Wikipedia:Battle of Midway|Battle of Midway]] page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 02:59, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

:::I kind of like having them separate. Equipment losses aren't really "casualties", properly speaking, but are still of interest to a casual viewer. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 08:48, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

My ongoing concern with this is that for "casualties", it's often hard to determine what to say about the Cylons: is a Centurion material or a casualty? I don't think that can be really differentiated, which is why I'd prefer merging. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:19, 11 July 2006 (CDT)
:Maybe establish a "two-legged" rule? If the typical model walks on two legs, it's a casualty, otherwise it is a material loss? That might not give enough "credit" to Raiders as "beings", but Raiders really are fighters and casualties usually refer to troops/infantry/people. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:50, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::Thats how i organised it really. You can argue about Raiders being sentient and all that but i assumed casualties to be centurions and cylon agents rather than raiders --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:25, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I guess we can include Centurions and Humanoid Cylons as Casualties and not Raiders, as USUALLY, their consciousness downloads away. Okay, we'll stay with the current system, due to the complications inherent in the storyline (Man? Machine? Alive?). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:09, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==New field suggestion==
I have a suggestion to make as an edit to this template. I think that it wqould be useful to have the episode name in which the battle takes place as a field in this template. It would be optional as not all battle do take place on screen (fall of shipyards for example) but might be useful in linking the relevant battle to the relevant episode. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 09:11, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

:That's a good suggestion, although we should anticipate for the template field that a battle could extend over two or more episodes, as the [[Battle of Kobol]] did. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:45, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

::Could make it always like... <nowiki>|epi= [[Episode 1]] [[Episode 2]]</nowiki> --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:08, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:::That could work... '''Related Episode(s)''' --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:15, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

==Conditional link suggestion==

This is a bit beyond my wikicoding skills, but it would be great if the words "Battle Chronology" linked to [[Colonial Battles Chronology]] if and only if a flag for being RDM were set. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 17:29, 30 October 2006 (CST)
: Done. All you need to do is define "|rdm=y" in the template. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:: Thank you. I've slipped the flag into the rest of the RDM battles. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:58, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Battle of the Binary Star System

2006-10-31T05:56:34Z

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{{Battle Data
|image=BinaryStar.jpg
|description=Battle of the Binary Star System
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|8 months]] after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]
|place=Unnamed binary star system
|result=Tactical [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] victory
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[Barry Garner]] † Major [[Lee Adama]]
|co2=Unknown
|strength1=[[Mercury class battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' Associated [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], associated [[Raptor|Raptors]]
|strength2=3 [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestars]], associated [[Raider|Raiders]], [[Heavy Raider|Heavy Raiders]]
|shiploss1=2 [[Raptor|Raptors]], heavy damage to ''Pegasus''
|shiploss2=1 Basestar heavily damaged
|casualties1=5
|casualties2=Unknown, dozens of Raiders
|prev=[[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]
|next=[[Battle of New Caprica]]
|rdm=y
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The '''Battle of the Binary Star System''' is an engagement where battlestar ''Pegasus'' is lured into a trap by three [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]].

The Cylons lure two of ''Pegasus<nowiki>'</nowiki>'' [[Raptor]]s out into a shroud of electro-magnetic interference (EMI) generated by a binary star system. Once the Raptors are there, the crews are killed and the craft left intact and adrift at the edge of the Colonials' [[DRADIS]] range. By all available data to the Colonials, the craft appear disabled and non-responsive. The new commander of ''Pegasus'', [[Barry Garner]], disobeys Admiral [[William Adama]]'s warning and orders to send a five-Raptor [[SAR]] mission. Garner takes the battlestar in to rescue the Raptors.

Once ''Pegasus'' takes the bait and enters the region, three Cylon basestars Jump in and launch a full salvo of tactical nuclear missiles, scoring two hits on the stern of the battlestar. ''Pegasus''' air wing, already spaceborne under the command of [[Kara Thrace|Captain Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]], engage the Cylons and return fire. Virtually ignoring the Vipers, the Cylon basestars focus their efforts on ''Pegasus'' and produce a third nuclear missile hit on the battlestar, resulting in damage to the topside heat exchanger.

Commander Barry Garner was an engineering officer, inexperienced in combat command. Worsening the situation, the heavy barrage dealt by the Cylons damages the FTL drive, putting ''Pegasus''' survival in peril. Realizing his skills would be best used in engineering, Garner voluntarily transfers command to (newly promoted) [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama]], and dashes below to Engineering to help.

After only a moment of hesitation, Major Adama orders ''Pegasus'' to make for the nearest baseship, while rolling ''Pegasus'' over to keep its damaged dorsal side out of the line of fire. Adama orders Starbuck and [[Marcia Case|Showboat]] to take the rest of the Vipers to concentrate on defending the compromised portions of ''Pegasus'' from further damage, while directing the battlestar's forward batteries to fire on the closest of the three basestars, inflicting severe damage to its central axis to buy ''Pegasus'' more time. The wounded basestar is forced to withdraw<ref>This is the first documented occurrence of a basestar diverging from their normal tactic of fighting to the death, perhaps due to the loss of the [[Resurrection Ship]] some time earlier.</ref>.

The problem in repairing the FTL drive is a hull breach that blocks technicians from making repairs to the damaged FTL drive components by openning the auxiliary coolant valve. ''Pegasus'' was running out of time and its Vipers were beginning to run out of ammo. Commander Garner heroically enters the compartment himself, dying of asphyxiation<ref>See [http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.html NASA JPL scientist Geoffrey Landis' description on what happens from vacuum exposure.] Garner must have died of asyphxiation, not vacuum exposure, as it takes him more than 30-45 seconds to open the auxiliary valves. Vacuum exposure would cause unconsciousness within 9 to 11 seconds. While his engineers watched the oxygen levels drop, the atmospheric pressure in the compartment was sufficiently high not to be a vacuum, but not sufficiently pressurized to allow breathing.</ref> after successfully opening the auxiliary coolant valve to restore the FTL drive to operational status. With the FTL drive restored, Major Adama orders all fighters to return and for ''Pegasus'' to jump.

From a tactical standpoint, the battle is a marginal Cylon victory — if their ultimate goal had been the destruction of ''Pegasus'', the attempt fails, thanks to the quick reactions of the Colonial crew. ''Pegasus'' suffers fairly minor damage and casualties, but it suffers the loss of its third commanding officer since the destruction of the Resurrection Ship. The battlestar returns to the relative safety of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].

Lee Adama's tour under the rank of major is short-lived. For his efforts in returning ''Pegasus'' under dangerous odds, Admiral Adama awards him with the rank of Commander and the command of ''Pegasus'' ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

==References==
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Battle of the Resurrection Ship

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{{Battle Data
|image=Ep212battle.jpg
|description=Galactica and Pegasus engage a basestar
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|6 months]] after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], likely less than 48 hours after the episode "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]"
|place=Interstellar space, specific location unknown
|result=Decisive Colonial victory
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylon]]s
|co1=Admiral [[Helena Cain]] Commander [[William Adama]]
|co2=Unknown †
|strength1=[[Galactica type battlestar|Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' [[Mercury-class Battlestar|Battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' 
80-90 Vipers, 1 [[Blackbird]], associated [[Raptors]]
|strength2=The [[Resurrection Ship]] 2 Cylon Basestars Associated [[Raider]]s, [[Heavy Raider]]s
|shiploss1= 1 [[Blackbird]] At least 1 [[Raptor]]
|shiploss2=1-2 [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]]s 1 [[Resurrection Ship]]
|casualties1=4
|casualties2=10,000+
|prev=[[Standoff Between Galactica and Pegasus]]
|next=[[Battle of the Binary Star System]]
|rdm=y
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The '''Battle of the Resurrection Ship''' is ''Galactica's'' second offensive against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Aided with a second battlestar, they attack the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[Resurrection Ship]] in the hopes of causing the Cylons to rethink their plans for chasing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

When battlestar ''Pegasus'' reunites with the larger remnant of [[The Fleet (RDM)|humanity]] led by the battlestar ''Galactica'', its commanding officer, Admiral [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]] reveals that ''Pegasus'' had been tracking a Cylon fleet, and upon reviewing ''Galactica's'' logs surmises that this same Cylon fleet had been following ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], possibly for months. Earlier long-range reconaissance missions by ''Pegasus'' revealed that the Cylon fleet consisted of 2 basestars, roughly a dozen support ships, and one unidentifiable vessel, much larger than a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], which the Cylon fleet appeared to be protecting. Admiral Cain and Commander [[William Adama]] realize the probable value of the ship to the Cylons, and begin planning an operation to pool their resources to attack the Cylon fleet.

[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] returns from an illicit recon mission to the Cylon fleet, using the [[Blackbird]] stealth fighter to take dramatically detailed photos of the unknown ship. The name of the ship, the [[Resurrection Ship]], is discovered by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] through the captive [[Cylon agent]], [[Gina]]. Thrace, Admiral Cain and Commander Adama determine that the Resurrection Ship was a safety net for the Cylons chasing the Fleet and [[Cylon agent|hiding within it]]. With this safety net removed, the Cylons would seriously reconsider pursuing the Fleet as closely. If a Cylon's body were to die without another body to store their transmitted consciousness, not only would the Cylons lose vital intelligence on Fleet operations, but the Cylon's consciousness would be permanently lost.

New ''Pegagus'' [[CAG]] Captain Thrace taps [[The Hand of God (RDM)|once more]] into her unconventional military thinking in formulating an effective attack plan, which will draw the Cylons to the battlestars and a trap, rather than the other way around. In the plan, the Fleet, consisting only of ''Galactica'' and her original civilian ships, would congregate near a handful of ships that appeared to be managing mining operations. When the Cylons engaged, the Fleet would [[FTL|Jump]] away, but a few civilian ships would pretend to have problems engaging their FTL drives and attempt to escape at sublight speeds, drawing the Raiders far away from their basestars. Just before the Raiders would close in, the remaining decoy civilian ships would Jump away. Moments later, ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' will Jump to within firing range of both basestars and engage them head-on. Meanwhile, Lieutenant [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]] use the [[Blackbird]] to sneak up upon the Resurrection Ship to surgically destroy her [[FTL]] drive with a missile to prevent its escape, while the entire complement of fighters from both battlestars, led by Thrace, would pummel the Resurrection Ship and destroy it ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).

The attack plan is successfully implemented with minimal losses on the Colonial side. Without their fighter complements and with no gun batteries of their own, the basestars are no match for the combined gun batteries of ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', which tear through the basestars, destroying one and crippling (probably destroying) the other.

Moments after disabling the Resurrection Ship's FTL drive, the Blackbird collides with a downed [[Raptor]] after Adama's attack, destroying the fragile stealth fighter. Lee Adama manages to eject and, in the process, suffers a puncture in his [[flight suit]]. Apollo drifts freely in the middle of space, viewing the battle from a unique angle as he begins to succumb to [[Wikipedia:hypoxia|hypoxia]]. He is rescued by [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]]'s [[SAR]] [[Raptor]] from ''Galactica''.

Shortly after the destruction of the Resurrection Ship and at least one basestar, the surviving Cylon forces Jump away, marking a significant Colonial victory ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

==Strategic impact==

The strategic impact of the Battle of the Resurrection Ship marked the first time since the beginning of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Second Cylon War]] that multiple Colonial battlestars engaged multiple Cylon basestars in battle. The Fall of the Twelve Colonies had been less a battle and more a one-sided slaughter of the Colonials by the Cylons. The ensuing attempts by ''Galactica'' to beat off the Cylons chasing the civilian refugee fleet it was shepherding and ''Pegasus<nowiki>'</nowiki>'' hit-and-run guerrilla attacks on Cylon assets had never reached the level of decisively defeating a major Cylon fleet and forcing them from the battlefield (''Galactica<nowiki>'</nowiki>s'' previous [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)|destruction of a basestar]] was the result of sneaking a nuke inside through subterfuge, and not open combat).

Following this defeat to the Colonial Fleet, the Cylons lose the combat initiative they had maintained since their opening attack six months previously. After this battle, the Cylons became afraid to commit their forces to major strikes, and stop attacking the Fleet ''en masse''. While before, a single basestar would confidently Jump in and wade into ''Galactica'' and her air wing (as in the second half of the [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)|Battle of Kobol]], the Cylons are aware that such an attack now would result in their ''permanent'' deaths, and for a time stop actively chasing the Fleet for months following the destruction of the Resurrection Ship. The entire Cylon strategy in the war changes. Instead of constantly trying to destroy the entire [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] guarded by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', the Cylons focused on smaller, low-risk goals, achieved by hit-and-run attacks on targets of opportunity. For a full month, while the Colonials conduct mining operations in an asteroid belt, a squadron of Cylon Raiders, led by the ace Raider nicknamed "[[Scar (Raider)|Scar]]," wreaks havoc on the Colonial's Viper squadrons using hit-and-run strikes, before finally being killed by [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] and Starbuck. Using the metals mined during this operation, the Colonial Fleet manufactures two full Viper squadrons, beginning to recover their losses ([[Scar]]. Even two months after the battle, in the [[Battle of the Binary Star System]], the Cylons resort to a trap and disproportionate numbers rather than trying to directly engage the Colonial Fleet as they had in the past ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

==Note==
The Battle of the Resurrection Ship has many similarities to the [[Wikipedia:Battle of Midway|Battle of Midway]]. In both, the strategic tide of the war changed with a decisive battle. At Midway, the Japanese fleet was caught off guard when the ''USS Yorktown'', which they had presumed was destroyed or crippled, appeared during the battle and increased the forces available to the Americans. In this battle, the Cylons were surprised by the appearance of ''Pegasus'', long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack, appeared and doubled the forces available to the Colonials. Finally, Apollo's experience of ejecting in the middle of the battle and watching it unfold around him is based on the real life experience of Ensign [[Wikipedia:George Gay|George Gay]] during the Battle of Midway. George Gay's plane was shot down and he witnessed the entire battle while floating in the ocean.

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Standoff Between Galactica and Pegasus

2006-10-31T05:55:59Z

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{{Battle Data
|image=Pegasus vs Galactica.jpg
|description=Galactica and Pegasus forces
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=Approximately [[Timeline (RDM)|six months]] after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]
|place=Interstellar space, specific location unknown
|result=Uneasy [[Colonial]] truce
|combatant1=''[[Galactica]]'' (formerly attached to [[BSG|BSG 75]])
|combatant2=''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' (formerly attached to [[BSG|BSG 62]])
|co1=Commander [[William Adama]]
|co2=Admiral [[Helena Cain]]
|strength1=[[Galactica type battlestar|Original class battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' 
34-42 [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] 
|strength2=[[Mercury class battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' Approx. 40 [[Viper Mark VII|Mark VII Vipers]]
|shiploss1=None
|shiploss2=None
|casualties1=None
|casualties2=None
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'''''Galactica''''' '''vs''' '''''Pegasus''''' is a confrontation between the commanders of the two battlestars as a result of draconian command decisions by Admiral Helena Cain ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]").

Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] informs Commander [[William Adama]] that Admiral [[Helena Cain]] has ordered the summary execution of Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] and Lieutenant [[Karl Agathon]] over the death of Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne]]. On this news, feeling deceived that a genuine court martial would occur for his crewmen, Adama orders a [[Raptor]] (with [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] escort) to board ''Pegasus'' to retrieve the men.

When Adama communicates to Cain of his intentions, Cain launches ''Peagsus''<nowiki>'</nowiki> full [[Viper Mark VII]] forces and orders [[Action Stations|Condition One]]. ''Galactica'' follows suit, launching her Vipers, led by [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] and [[Brendan Constanza|Hotdog]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Each side attempts to goad the other. Kat repeatedly requests permission for "[[weapons free]]" on the incoming Vipers. During this, each side plays a deadly game of "chicken," attempting to force the other to open fire. Under Colonial rules-of-engagement, the opposing side fired upon could return fire.

The fraças is interrupted by [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] piloting the [[Blackbird]]. After then-Lieutenant [[Lee Adama]] text messages Starbuck over [[wireless]] aboard a ''Pegasus'' Raptor, her ship only showing up on [[DRADIS]] due to her reply transmission being detected. Both [[battlestar]]s and their respective Viper squadrons read the Blackbird as a Cylon (the Blackbird is either not equipped with a Colonial transponder or had disabled it for the unauthorized recon mission). The two opposing groups join forces to engage the "real" enemy, but Starbuck succeeds in confirming her identity before the Vipers fire upon the Blackbird.

A truce ensues after Cain receives recon photos of the Cylon "[[Resurrection Ship]]". Both commanders agree to bring their ships to [[Action Stations|Condition Two]] and meet on ''[[Colonial One]]'' to determine a course of action ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

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Great Cylon Turkey Shoot

2006-10-31T05:55:27Z

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|image=Stuffsgonnasplode.jpg
|description=Powered down Raider fleet being massacred by ''Galactica's'' Vipers
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=Roughly two weeks after [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Day 84]]
|place=Interstellar space, specific location unknown
|result=Decisive [[Colonial]] victory
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[William Adama]]
|co2=Unknown (no Basestars present)
|strength1=[[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' 34-42 [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]]
|strength2=Over 200 [[Raiders]] Dozens of [[Heavy Raider]]s, exact number unknown 
|shiploss1=None
|shiploss2=Complete destruction of entire Cylon force
|casualties1=None
|casualties2=Complete destruction of entire Cylon force
|prev=[[Battle of Kobol (RDM)|Battle of Kobol]]
|next=[[Standoff Between Galactica and Pegasus]]
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The '''Great Cylon Turkey Shoot''' is an initially pitched battle where a compromised [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' turns the Cylons' own computer [[virus]] against them to completely power down a massive fleet of hundreds of [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Heavy Raider]]s.

For several weeks after leaving [[Kobol]], ''Galactica'' suffers system failures and malfunctions throughout the ship. Watch Officer Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] and Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] determines that the Cylon virus which infected the ship shortly after the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] reunited ([[Scattered]]) and downed several ship functions for a time ([[Valley of Darkness]]) has returned. Apparently the virus had a latent element that hid itself, slowly emerging throughout ship computers, testing and probing for weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

Lt. [[Karl Agathon]] then shows a printout of the virus to the incarcerated [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica copy of Sharon Valerii]], who determines that this [[logic bomb]] is a prelude to a Cylon attack. Gaeta determines a way to remove the bomb by erasing all ship computer hard drives, then reloading the computers from backups made before the war. However, this will leave the ship completely vulnerable for several minutes. If the logic bomb is "detonated", the virus would likely turn ''Galactica'' against itself and her fleet.

Commander Adama elects to use Caprica-Valerii to aid them. She interfaces her body to the ship's [[Computers#Battlestar Computers|mainframe and communication systems]] via a fiber-optic link placed inside her left forearm. A massive Cylon force arrives to attack, and all Vipers are scrambled. As ''Galactica'' erases its hard drives, Valerii apparently copies the logic bomb code into herself and manipulates it. She releases the altered code through the communication channels, transmitting it to the Cylon attackers. In an amazing reversal of historic events, the entire Cylon fleet was disabled as Caprica-Valerii's version of the virus disables every Cylon ship, much like Colonial ships were shut down by the Cylons during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. Many out-of-control Cylon fighters are destroyed simply from crashing into each other.

Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] orders ''Galactica's'' Vipers to destroy all Cylon fighters. Apollo jubilantly relays the [[weapons free]] order to his fighter group, and ''Galactica's'' Vipers proceed to tear through the jumbled Cylon formations, destroying the disproporationately larger Cylon force in its entirety without losing a single Colonial ship in the process ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

The presence of numerous Heavy Raiders (troop transport vessels, never before seen in such numbers) suggests that the Cylons intended to board ''Galactica'' and possibly other ships in the Colonial fleet after the virus had rendered the battlestar helpless.

==Notes==
*According to Ron D. Moore's [[podcast]] for "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]", this battle was specifically inspired by the "[[Wikipedia:Great Marianas Turkey Shoot|Great Marianas Turkey Shoot]]" of World War II. This page is named in light of that reference.
*Number of Cylon Raiders present was given on the Scifi.com official site's episode description.
*Visually, there are at least 42 Vipers on screen, but there is a strong possibility that this is a visual effects mistake: Apollo said in "[[Act of Contrition]]" that there were only 40 Vipers left. On top of this, several Vipers have been lost since then (see [[Galactica#Vipers|Galactica]]). The current count leaves only 34 Vipers: 1 lost in "Act of Contrition", 4 lost in "The Hand of God", and 1 lost in "Final Cut". This doesn't take into account Tyrol's retirement of unserviceable craft, worn down by wear and tear. Furthermore, ''Galactica'' is severely limited by the number of [[List of Pilots|pilots]] they have on hand - in this episode, no more than 22.
**Ron D. Moore admitted in an interview (see "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]") that this was probably a visual effects gaffe. The number of Vipers was more probably no more than 34 at best.
*Interestingly, the [[Blackbird]] appears in the Great Cylon Turkey Shoot, yet the Blackbird had not been finished by the time the Cylons were disabled. Producer and writer [[Bradley Thompson]] acknowledges this as a [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques|visual effects mix-up]], as the Blackbird's lack of guns or sufficient maneuverability would make it a poor fighter, nor had the ship made its maiden flight before the Cylon fight.

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Battle of Kobol (TRS)

2006-10-31T05:55:10Z

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:''For information on a battle over [[Kobol]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see [[Battle of Kobol (TOS)]].''

{{Battle Data
|name=Battle of Kobol
|image=DoctorStrangeLove.jpg
|description=Cylon basestar destroyed by a tactical nuke, in orbit of Kobol
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Day 50-51]]
|place=[[Kobol]], nearby space
|result=[[Colonial]] victory
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[William Adama]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
|co2=Unknown †
|strength1=[[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' 18-35 [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] 6 [[Raptor|Raptors]] 
1 captured [[Raider]] (on Caprica) 
1 captured [[Heavy Raider]] (on Caprica)
|strength2=2 [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestars]] [[Raiders]] At least one [[Heavy Raider]] 
Fixed anti-aircraft emplacement (on Kobol) 
At least 5 Cylon Centurions on Kobol 
10 Cylon Centurions on ''Galactica''
|shiploss1=2 Raptors
|shiploss2=1 Basestar over Kobol, Unknown number of Raiders, 1 Heavy Raider
|casualties1=10 killed on [[Raptor 3]], 4 on [[Raptor 1]], 11 killed in Cylon boarding of the ''Galactica''. Total [[Survivor Count]] decremented by 34, excluding Cylon agents
|casualties2=Loss of at least 5 Centurions on Kobol Loss of 10 Centurions on ''Galactica''
|prev=[[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]
|next=[[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot]]
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The '''Battle of Kobol''' occurs when battlestar ''Galactica'' stumbles on the mythological human homeworld of [[Kobol]] and attempts to discover its secrets.

== Discovery ==

During a reconnaissance flight, pilots [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] and [[Crashdown]] return to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' with information on an unusual habitable planet. Investigation of the ruins and features of the planet confirm that ''Galactica'' had discovered, by accident, the original human homeworld of [[Kobol]], detailed extensively in the [[Sacred Scrolls|scriptures]] from the [[Lords of Kobol]]. Commander [[William Adama]] directs three [[Raptor]]s to conduct a thorough surface survey of the planet, particularly to note whether the Fleet should settle there.

As the Raptors complete their jump near Kobol, they are attacked by [[Raider]]s. One Raptor is destroyed and a second jumps away to safety. A third Raptor is shot and crash-lands on Kobol.

Since the orbiting [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] prohibits a rescue of the surviving crashed Raptor crew, [[Kara Thrace]] suggests the use of the captured Raider ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]) to sneak near the basestar with a nuclear warhead, leaving it there to destroy the capital ship and as many Raiders as possible. Adama agrees to the plan. However, intervention by President [[Laura Roslin]] with Thrace leads the pilot to disobey orders and to divert the Raider (while on a test flight) to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] to seek an artifact known as the [[Arrow of Apollo]]. This change requires Adama to direct Lt. Valerii to fly a Raptor with a [[Cylon transponder]] to the basestar to carry out the nuclear attack, with [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] as her [[ECO]].

The Raptor enters the orbit of Kobol undetected, but a problem with weapon deployment forces Boomer to land within the basestar in a habitable area to manually deploy the weapon. Valerii encounters several [[Cylon agent|Cylon]] copies of herself while in the basestar, whose presence apparently activates more of her latent Cylon programming. The copies detect the nuclear warhead, but nevertheless allow it to detonate. The basestar is destroyed, clearing the way for a rescue operation and leaving a small party of Cylons stranded near the ruins of the [[Opera House]] on Kobol. This was perhaps the first time during the entire [[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon War]] that Colonial forces successfully destroy a Cylon basestar.

As Adama congratulates Valerii, the Cylon agent pulls out her pistol and shoots the Commander twice at point-blank range ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

== Scattering of the Fleet ==

In the chaos caused by the shooting, another basestar suddenly appears. Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] assumes command of ''Galactica'', with Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] serving as his second in command. As medical staff attends to the seriously-wounded William Adama, Valerii is taken to the [[brig]]. Caught by surprise, Tigh orders the Fleet to jump to its [[Emergency Jump Coordinates|emergency jump coordinates]], pre-planned by standard procedure by Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]]. However in the haste Gaeta forgets to update the Fleet's jump coordinates which results in the ships executing their jumps with data not fitting the local space-time conditions and ending up in an unknown location. Thus ''Galactica'' finds herself seperated from the rest of the Fleet. By jumping back to the last common coordinates, the crew could obtain new starfixes and conduct complicated computations to determine the Fleet's present location. But this would take hours, and the basestar would likely destroy the ship in far less time. Gaeta devises a way to determine the fleet location faster by temporarily networking several ship [[computers]] to process data faster. Knowing that the Cylons would attempt to infiltrate the network, Gaeta places four software firewalls in place to slow the progress of the expected infection ([[Scattered]]).

The downed Raptor crew on Kobol, lead by [[Crashdown]] attends as best they can to their injured. They are later attacked by [[Cylon Centurion]]s and flee to the woods for cover.

''Galactica'' returns to its previous location and is immediately attacked by the waiting Cylon fleet. Lee Adama (on parole) leads a squadron of Vipers in defense of the ship. During the attack, a [[Heavy Raider]] heads for ''Galactica''. [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] attack the craft, which veered into ''Galactica'''s firing solution and crash-lands into the starboard [[flight pod]], depressurizing it (it had been converted as a [[Galactica Museum|museum area]] in preparation for the ship's decommissioning and was unused for flight operations at the time). Gaeta successfully obtains the Fleet's coordinates, but not before a Cylon virus infects one of the networked systems, unknown to the command staff. Gaeta disconnects the network a moment later. ''Galactica'' [[FTL|jumps]] to reunite with the civilian fleet.

== Cylon Boarding ==

The crashed Heavy Raider in ''Galactica's'' starboard landing pod deploys 10 specially-armored Cylon Centurions, which could only be destroyed by explosive rounds ([[Valley of Darkness]]). At the same time, the Cylon virus infects other systems of the ship and shuts down parts of the [[CIC]]'s control. Tigh orders ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[marines]] not to defend the gun magazines, but to try to keep the Centurions from reaching [[Auxiliary Fire Control]] and [[Aft Damage Control]], wary that the Cylons would attempt to vent the ship's air to neutralize the crew and turn the ship's guns on the unarmed Fleet to destroy them. Marine forces, lead by Sergeant [[Hadrian]] and Lee Adama manage to destroy the boarding party before they can reach their targets.

Apollo begins preparations to rescue the downed Raptor crew from Kobol, and leads a team with two Raptors (one piloted by [[Racetrack]]) as part of the rescue team.

== Raptor Team Rescue ==

Shortly after [[Socinus]] is euthanized due to his mortal injuries and [[Tarn]] is cut down by Centurion fire, [[Crashdown]] and the Raptor team locate a group of three Cylon Centurions building an anti-aircraft battery using parts from their downed Heavy Raider in order to destroy any ''Galactica'' [[SAR|search-and-rescue]] craft sent to find the downed Raptor crew ([[Fragged]]). The battery is linked to a [[DRADIS]] dish set up some distance from the battery.

Crashdown develops a foolhardy plan to attack the command and control console at the launcher by flanking the Centurions and sending [[Cally]] on a possibly suicidal diversionary feint. As the team prepares their attack, they discover there are five Centurions, not the three initially counted. Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] points out that the two Centurions that guarded the dish had moved to the launcher, leaving the DRADIS disk completely unguarded. If the team could cover the one kilometer distance to the dish quick enough to destroy it, Tyrol reasoned, they could render the launcher tactically worthless while not having to face the Cylons head on. As the team heard the sonic booms caused by Raptors entering the atmosphere, indicating their rescuers would be arriving soon, Crashdown panicked and would hear nothing of Tyrol's new plan. Crashdown orders Specialist [[Cally]] to create the distraction anyway, but she refuses in fear. When Crashdown threatens to kill Cally for disobeying a direct order, [[Gaius Baltar]] shoots him in the back, killing him instantly.

The gunshot alerts the Centurions to the team's presence and open fire on their position. Tyrol's team flee for the DRADIS dish. Fighting a running battle with the Centurions, it became a race to see who could get to the dish first. [[Seelix]] is shot in the leg, but dragged to safety by Cally. The Cylon battery fires on the incoming Raptors, but Chief Tyrol successfully destroys the DRADIS dish, which breaks the missiles' lock on the Raptors. Just as Tyrol and his team are making their last stand, the Centurions are destroyed by missiles from Apollo's Raptor. The survivors are rescued and returned to ''Galactica''.

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Battle for the Tylium Asteroid

2006-10-31T05:54:51Z

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|image=Cylonminegoboom_110_1080i.jpg
|description=[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] flying away from the Cylon tylium mine as it begins to explode
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Day 36]]
|place=Asteroid field in interstellar space, specific location unknown
|result=Colonial victory. Resupply of [[Tylium]] ore for fuel reserves.
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[William Adama]]
|co2=Unknown †
|strength1=[[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' 
2 [[Raptor|Raptors]], pilots [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]], [[Stubbs]] 
Strike Force One: At least 7 [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], incl. [[Fireball]], [[Deadbolt]], [[Spinner]], [[Buzzer]], [[Brendan Constanza|Hot Dog]] 
Strike Force Two: [[Viper 2220]], [[Viper 7961]], 10 other [[Viper Mark II|Viper Mk IIs]]
|strength2=140 [[Raider|Raiders]] Fixed anti-aircraft emplacements
|shiploss1=4 Vipers, incl. [[Viper 7961]] and those piloted by [[Fireball]] and [[Stepchild]]
|shiploss2=Complete destruction of Cylon forces
|casualties1=[[Fireball]], [[Stepchild]] and 4 other pilots
|casualties2=Unknown, high
|prev=[[Skirmish over the Red Moon]]
|next=[[Battle of Kobol (RDM)|Battle of Kobol]]
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The '''Battle of the Tylium Asteroid''' occurs as Battlestar ''Galactica'' and her fleet liberate a [[tylium]] ore refinery from the Cylons, marking the first time that ''Galactica'' makes an offensive strike against Cylon forces ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

After exhausting much of its fuel reserves from its initial fleeing from the Cylon forces ([[33]]) and after a difficult rescue of [[Kara Thrace]] ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]), Battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' sends [[Raptor]]s to outlying star systems in search of the mineral [[tylium]], used as a fuel for all ships in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].

They locate an asteroid rich with tylium, but also occupied by Cylons and fortified with [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] squadrons defending it. Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] decides to take the asteroid with a daring plan, utilizing the unconventional thinking of the recovering Kara Thrace to lead the attack plan and pilot [[Lee Adama]] to lead the Viper crews.

''Galactica'' pulls a double-feint; it first uses a cargo freighter to lure away the Raiders, which soon see a squad of Vipers that approach the asteroid from the opposite location. The Cylons believe the freighter to be a diversion and turn the Raiders away from the freighter to descend on ''Galactica'', as well as releasing all of their base's reserve Raiders to attack ''Galactica'' as well.

Shortly after they broke off their approach to the freighter and turn to engage the first wave of Vipers, a second squad of Vipers emerge from hiding from inside the freighters to attack the base. As the fighters reach the surface and begin their approach, the Vipers encounter heavy anti-aircraft fire that destroy three Vipers. Captain [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]] commands the other fighters to hold back as he successfully flies through the refinery processing area to destroy an unstable tylium-precursor container on the refinery's surface.

The destruction of the tylium-precursor container ignites the refinery's stores and destroys the entire Cylon base with an explosion equivalent to a three kiloton nuclear warhead in magnitude. The base's destruction heavily disorients the Cylon Raiders, and also leaves them unable to re-arm or refuel. ''Galactica'' and her Vipers destroy the remaining Raiders before they could alert reinforcements.

Subsequently, ships from the civilian fleet mine a large amount of tylium from the asteroid (gathered by the mobile [[Mining Ship]] and processed on a [[Refinery Ship]]). The mining yields enough tylium fuel reserve to last the Fleet for several years.

The battle was prophesied in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which mention a victory "led by serpents numbering two and ten" (the twelve Vipers). The scrolls warn, however, that "though the outcome favored the few, it led to [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)|a confrontation]] at [[Kobol|the home of the gods]]."

''As the entire first season of "Battlestar Galactica" actually took place in [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|less than two months]], and subsequent space travel between this episode an the colonization of [[New Caprica]] lasted less than 8 months, this means that that Fleet probably won't run into another fuel shortage for the rest of the series' run (barring some form of accident or multi-Jump chase as seen in "33").''

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Skirmish Over the Red Moon

2006-10-31T05:54:30Z

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|image=PowerlessViper.jpg
|description=Starbuck's damaged Viper and the Cylon Raider are caught in the Red Moon's gravity field
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Day 14]]
|place=An unnamed ''red moon''
|result=Marginal [[Colonial]] victory
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
|co2=Unknown †
|strength1=[[Viper 1104]], 1 other [[Viper Mark II|Viper MkII]]
|strength2=8 [[Raider|Raiders]]
|shiploss1=1 Viper destroyed, 1 damaged
|shiploss2=7 Raiders destroyed, 1 disabled and captured
|casualties1=None
|casualties2= (8 Cylon Raiders)
|prev=[[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]]
|next=[[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]
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The '''Skirmish over the Red Moon''' is a battle between eight [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]] that surprise a group of [[nugget]] [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilots under instruction by Lt. [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] in the orbit of an unnamed reddish moon orbiting a gas giant. It is the first time the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] encounter [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' after its escape in the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]].

Starbuck orders the nuggets to return to ''Galactica'' while she engages all eight Raiders at once. However, Cadet [[Brendan Constanza|Hot Dog]] disobeys and follows her general order of always having a wingman.

Hot Dog succeeds in dividing the Raiders enough between the two Vipers long enough for Starbuck to shoot down six fighters. Hot Dog destroys one Raider (his first kill in a Viper) before suffering damage from incoming fire, pulling back from the engagement.

Starbuck destroys all but one Raider, and the two remaining fighters make a final run at each other.

Both the Raider and Starbuck's Viper exchange fire. The Raider's "pilot" is hit, but the ship remained intact. Starbuck's Viper experiences [[Computers#Avionics|electrical problems]] during the battle, which first causes her fighter's communications and transponder to go offline. Damage inflicted later by the Raider disables the Viper's flight controls.

Both fighters tumble out of control and fall into the red moon's gravity well. The Raider softly crash-lands onto the moon, but Starbuck must eject from her Viper after it goes into an uncontrollable [[Wikipedia:Spin (flight)|flat spin]] towards the moon's surface. ''Galactica'' recovers Hot Dog and his critically damaged Viper.

Starbuck lands by parachute on the moon, severely injuring her knee after being dragged by her parachute toward boulders and a cliff on the moon's surface.

With a broken [[wireless]] handset, she wanders on the moon looking for higher ground to await rescue. In her travels, she finds the crashed Cylon Raider she had fought earlier. Starbuck finds a way inside the Raider and discovers the bio-mechanical nature of the new generation of Raiders. Starbuck's attack of the Raider had left the "pilot" of the Raider shot in its "head," leaving it brain-dead.

Inside, Starbuck finds oxygen to stay alive after she exhausts her [[flight suit]]'s life support, and determines how to control the Raider by manipulating its internal organic actuators. Starbuck's strong flight instructor skills and [[Flight of the Phoenix|test-pilot savvy]] allows her to determine the basic mechanics of the new spacecraft quickly.

Starbuck repairs the damage she inflicted on the Raider by using a portion of her [[flight suit]] to seal the hole and repressurize the interior of the fighter. Starbuck flies the Raider off the moon and returns to ''Galactica'' once [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] successfully identifies her as the pilot of what would normally be an enemy target.

This is the first time Colonial forces are able to capture and examine the updated Cylon Raider. Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] and his deck crew spend the next several weeks analyzing the fighter, eventually returning it to flight status with significant internal modifications for effective human control ("[[Act of Contrition]]", "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]").

The Raider is later lost on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] during the events to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]], when [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]] steals it from Starbuck at the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]].

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Battle of Ragnar Anchorage

2006-10-31T05:52:36Z

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|image=Ragnar Escape.jpg
|description=''Galactica'' provides cover fire while the civilian Fleet escapes
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Days 1-6]]
|place=[[Ragnar Anchorage]]
|result=Successful escape from Cylon-occupied Colonial space
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[William Adama]]
|co2=Unknown
|strength1=1 [[Battlestar (RDM)|Battlestar]], 40 [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
|strength2=3 [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestars]], associated [[Raider|Raiders]]
|shiploss1=Approximately 4 Vipers
|shiploss2=Unknown, minimal
|casualties1=1,345 civilians
|casualties2=Unknown, minimal
|prev=[[Fall_of_the_Scorpian_Fleet_Shipyards|Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]]
|next=[[Skirmish over the Red Moon]]
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The '''Battle of Ragnar Anchorage''' is the successful breakthrough by ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' from a Cylon blockade around [[Ragnar Anchorage]], and subsequent escape from its armada after being tracked and attacked for 5 continuous days ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]").

Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is the only [[Pegasus (RDM)|known]] surviving capital ship able to mount a counterattack against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] after the devastating attack that leads to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].

After getting word that many battlestars, including flagship battlestar ''[[Atlantia]]'' and its fleet admiral, are destroyed, Commander [[William Adama]] assumes command of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] and orders them to rendezvous with his ship at a munitions depot, [[Ragnar Anchorage]], for counterattack preparation.

Orbiting within the tenuous upper atmosphere of the gas giant [[Ragnar]], the ammunition station holds critical ordinance needed by ''Galactica'', which had destroyed its own munitions earlier as part of its scheduled decommissioning<ref>The destruction of the battlestar's munitions occurs in a [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Miniseries|deleted scene]] of the Miniseries.</ref>.

The depot's location also offered effective cover against Cylon attack, as a particular form of electromagnetic radiation generated by the planet's upper atmosphere causes damage to Cylon technology with sufficient exposure, and also jams any [[DRADIS]] detection, making attacking within the cloud threshold problematic at best.

''Galactica'' is later joined by a convoy of faster-than-light capable civilian ships rescued from throughout the spacelanes near [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] by new President [[Laura Roslin]].

Despite the overwhelming odds, Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] intends to proceed with a counter-offensive. However, after persuasion by Roslin, Adama realizes that the ship was in a no-win battle situation: the Colonies are destroyed, ''Galactica'' is massively outnumbered, the human race is near extinction, and he is surrounded by nearly 50,000 of the only known survivors.

Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] discovers at least two Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] and their fighters outside of the cloud during a reconnaissance mission, further decreasing the battlestar's odds in a fight.

Adama decides to take the new [[The Fleet (RDM)|rag-tag fleet]] away from the home solar system of the Colonies<ref>In the [[Re-imagined Series]], the home solar system of the Twelve Colonies is not named. In the [[Original Series]], the name "[[Cyrannus]]" is used inconsistently to describe either the name of its solar system or galaxy where [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|its Twelve Colonies resided]].</ref>, towards the [[Prolmar Sector]], never to return.

With an avoidance of attack made impossible since a Jump within the cloud would likely distort the FTL calculations with fatal results, ''Galactica'' leaves the storm and orients itself as a shield for the remainder of the Fleet to safely Jump from behind the battlestar and to their new coordinates. With her weapons now fully armed, ''Galactica'' creates a defense perimeter against two basestars while her Vipers engage any [[Cylon Raiders]] that attempt to move around ''Galactica'' and to her fleet. A third basestar later appears and threatens to pummel ''Galactica'' with successive missiles.

Once the last civilian ship is away and the last of the Vipers returned to the flight pod, ''Galactica'' Jumps away to escape the onslaught. The Cylons enter the station shortly after the battle, and retrieves a suspected [[Cylon agent]] left there by the Colonials, a [[Number Five]] copy posing as a man named [[Aaron Doral]].

After the battle ends at Ragnar, approximately 1 day later, the Cylons continue tracking and pursuing the remnant of the Colonial Fleet, appearing every 33 minutes for five consecutive days and over 240 Jumps ([[33]]).

A passenger liner, the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', failed to Jump with the Fleet in a recent escape. The Cylons also fail to attack in the same 33-minute interval.

When the ''Carrier'' reappears a short time later, a suspicious Adama commands the 33-minute countdown to resume immediately. Adama's fears about the ''Carrier'' are confirmed when the Cylons appear 33 minutes after the ''Carrier's'' return, indicating the ''Carrier'' was used to track the Fleet throughout that time.

When ''Galactica'' detects a [[Radiological Alarm|radiological signature]] from the ''Olympic Carrier'', suggesting it was boarded by Cylons and now carries a nuclear warhead, Vipers are dispatched to destroy the ''Carrier''.

After the Fleet Jumps once more, the Cylons could longer immediately track their movements.

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|image=Battletemplatefix.jpg
|description=Fall of the Scorpian Ship Yards
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Zero Hour]], concurrent with [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]
|place=[[Scorpian Fleet Shipyards]]
|result=Decisive Cylon victory
|combatant1=[[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Admiral [[Helena Cain]]
|co2=Unknown
|strength1=At least 3 [[Battlestar (RDM)|Battlestars]] (including ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', 3 support cruisers, associated [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
|strength2=Unknown number of [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestars]] and associated [[Raider|Raiders]]
|shiploss1=At least 2 battlestars and 3 other military vessels
|shiploss2=Unknown, minimal
|casualties1=Approx. 700 crewmen lost aboard ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', plus those lost on other ships
|casualties2=Unknown, minimal
|prev=[[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]
|next=[[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]]
|rdm=y
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A Cylon attack occurs at the [[Scorpian Fleet Shipyards]] during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The Scorpian Fleet Shipyards were hit with either three or four nuclear weapons. Five [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] ships, including two battlestars, were destroyed instantly. Admiral Cain ordered battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' to make a [[blind jump]], and luckily managed to survive the risky jump manuever unharmed.

''Pegasus'' was in dock in preparation for an overhaul scheduled over three months. Most of the ship's computers, with the possible exception of the [[FTL]] computer, were taken offline, but most importantly the computer network linking all computers on the ship was offline. Therefore ''Pegasus'' was unaffected by Cylon infiltration of the [[Command Navigation Program]]. Admiral [[Helena Cain]] was preparing for shore leave, as had many of her crew. She had planned to visit family and friends on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Tauron|Tauron]] when the attack commenced.

Cain retrieved as many civilian and military staff from the shipyard into the relative safety of her battlestar as she could. Since the attack and defense computers were offline for the refit, it is presumed that, in the heat of battle, there was insufficient time to restart them to aid in a counterattack.

At the same time, a Cylon posing as a woman named [[Gina]], posing as a Colonial officer, helped a Cylon boarding party gain access to the ship; she was presumably uncovered as a [[Cylon Agent]] during that action. The [[Cylon Centurion]]s' actions and damage from the Cylon vessels, which lead to exploding fuel and ordnance on the hangar decks, caused over 700 casualties.

With no defensive options, and destruction imminent, Cain ordered the [[CIC]] crew to activate the FTL system and make a jump--"Wherever. Anywhere. Just jump," she recalled to Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin]] in a conversation shortly after battlestar ''Galactica'' encountered Cain's battlestar months later.
This was aided by the [[EMP|electro-magnetic pulse]] from the nuclear detonations that blinded the Cylon [[DRADIS]] and made them oblivious of ''Pegasus`'' survival. 

The random jump was successful in that ''Pegasus'' escaped both the Cylon attack as well as the chance of colliding with celestial bodies.

''Pegasus'' also learned of the tainted CNP and its infiltration vulnerability from the Cylons from [[wireless]] chatter (as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]] learned in communications with the dying battlestar fleet), and summarily made essential modifications to all of her remaining military fighters and battlestar computers to avoid the threat.

With the "fog of war" and the desperate manner of their escape, ''Pegasus'' is apparently unaware of ''Galactica'''s survival and proceeds to conduct attacks on Cylon forces after leaving the solar system of the Colonies.

== Notes ==

*The electro-magnetic pulse mentioned in the article is not a true EMP. See the [[EMP]] article for further details.

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:''This article details the destruction of the Twelve Colonies in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on the fall of the Twelve Colonies in the Original Series, see [[Battle of Cimtar]].''

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|description=Cylon nuclear bombs detonating on Caprica
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Zero Hour]], concurrent with [[Fall of the Scorpian Fleet Shipyards]]
|place=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] of [[Kobol]]
|result=Decisive Cylon victory, occupation of the Twelve Colonies
|combatant1=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] of [[Kobol]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Admiral [[Nagala]] † Commander [[William Adama]]
|co2=Unknown
|strength1=Approx 120 [[Battlestar (RDM)|Battlestars]], [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]], associated support cruisers
|strength2=Unknown number of [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestars]], [[Raider|Raiders]], [[Heavy Raider|Heavy Raiders]]
|shiploss1=All but 2 Battlestars
|shiploss2=Unknown, minimal
|casualties1=Near-total devastation of Colonial Fleet and civilian population
|casualties2=Unknown, minimal
|prev=First [[Cylon War]]
|next=[[Fall of the Scorpian Fleet Shipyards]]
|rdm=y
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The '''Fall of the Twelve Colonies''' (also called the '''Cylon Attack''' or '''Cylon Holocaust''') is a devastating, genocidal attack which marks renewed conflict between the humans of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol and their robotic Cylon creations, after a cessation of contact between the two, for forty years.

The Cylons soften up the Twelve Colonies for attack by infiltrating their military and civilian society with new [[Cylon agent|human-appearing models]] of Cylon. One such copy, [[Caprica-Six|Number Six]], seduces the brilliant Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], fooling him into contract work that gives her access to the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]]. Six's work compromises Baltar's [[Command Navigation Program]], writing in many programmer [[backdoor]]s.

After Baltar's CNP is sufficiently distributed throughout the [[Colonial Fleet]], the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] return from their [[Cylon War|forty-year exile]] with a vengeance. The backdoors in the CNP enable the Cylons to use various electronic attacks that completely bypass Colonial electronic defenses<ref>Contrary to popular opinion, the Cylons did ''not'' transmit a virus through the CNP, but could electronically command any CNP-equipped ship to shut itself down.</ref>.

Entire Viper squadrons lose power upon engaging the enemy, while the Cylons are able to virtually shut down the Colonial Defense network "without firing a shot." The great battlestars suffer an abnormally-high number of "equipment malfunctions," up to and including total power loss. Cylon infiltration of Colonial systems, when combined with the "complete surprise" they achieve, enable them to sweep the Colonial Fleet aside with minimal losses.

Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', approximately 300 million miles from Caprica<ref>See [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] for this calculation, based on data from the Miniseries.</ref> is the only Colonial ship unaffected by the Cylon's computer infiltration as its computer systems were never networked, as as such, could not use the network-dependent CNP. This anti-infiltration policy, used in the First Cylon War, was maintained by all of ''Galactica's'' commanders, including [[William Adama]], through peacetime and despite the advances in Colonial technology.

The Cylons proceed to bombard each of the Twelve Colonies' population and strategic centers with nuclear bombs, including [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. The attack succeeds beyond even the Cylons' most optimistic projections ([[Downloaded]]).

[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]] [[Fleet Headquarters]] is destroyed in the opening wave of the attack, as are 30 battlestars<ref>According to Kara Thrace in the Miniseries, the number of battlestars lost to this point was "a quarter of the Fleet."</ref>. Admiral [[Nagala]] is reported to have taken command of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] aboard battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''.

On news of the attack, to protect its people as well as for military readiness, the Colonial [[Government]] orders an full stop on hundreds of civilian vessels in the solar system, leaving them stranded in space around the various colonies.

While the primary fight against the Cylons centers around the orbit of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Virgon|Virgon]], according to a tactical plot of all ships in the solar system by Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]], ''Galactica'' itself prepares for possible incoming enemies, despite two major problems. First, ''Galactica'' had earlier destroyed its own large munitions as part of its decommissioning ceremony<ref>This event occurs in a deleted scene of the Miniseries.</ref>. Second, the battlestar had plenty of pilots, but few Vipers left to fly. It's last Viper Mark VII squadron left the battlestar after the decommissioning ceremonies and are soon destroyed in a Cylon attack.

Fortunately, the battlestar held 40 [[Viper Mark II]]'s onboard as part of its recent decommissioning ceremony and [[Galactica Museum|expected conversion into a museum]]. These Vipers were an old but robust design that were resistant to infiltration and were never equipped to use the Command Navigation Program that doomed other Colonial fighters.

''Galactica'' re-arms and deploys the fighters, repelling several attacking squadrons of [[Cylon Raider]]s in her first sortie of the new war. The battlestar survives a direct hit from a Cylon tactical nuclear warhead, but not without a loss of 85 of its ship's crew in the port [[flight pod]] when damage to the fire suppression system necessitated the venting of the pod's atmosphere to prevent the battlestar's fuel lines from igniting and destroying the ship.

''Galactica'' soon receives word that battlestar ''Atlantia'', as well as many more battlestars, are lost in the fighting. Commander Adama assumes command of whatever was left of the Colonial military fleet, and sends a [[wireless]] transmission to any surviving Colonial forces to rendezvous at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] to prepare for counterattack.

Ragnar Station also held desperately needed munitions for the battlestar's point-defense batteries and more ammo for her fighters. ''Galactica'' successfully [[FTL|Jumps]] to Ragnar, skipping past the bulk of the Cylon fleet that stood in her way near Virgon.

After Picon was nuked, the Colonial [[Government]], headed by President [[Richard Adar]], broadcast an unconditional surrender, which the Cylons completely ignore. President Adar and all senior Colonial government officials, save for spacebound Secretary of Education [[Laura Roslin]], are presumed killed or missing. The [[Case Orange]] contingency mechanism activates to seek out any remaining government officials, a signal of which only Roslin apparently acknowledges. Sworn in on the government-chartered passenger liner ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'', Roslin becomes the new President of the Twelve Colonies.

Roslin immediately begins locating other stranded Colonial civilian and military vessels to form a caravan. Roslin's caravan efforts also retrieve at least three Viper Mark VII fighters and finds Lt. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] and her [[Raptor]], the only survivor of ''Galactica's'' last fighter squadron. Valerii is tasked with and successfully locates additional civilian craft before a Cylon Raider scout finds the convoy.

Fearing imminent attack but unable to rescue any passengers from the convoy's [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight]] ships in time, Roslin orders the FTL-capable ships to Jump to Ragnar and to ''Galactica's'' safety. The sublight ships and their passengers are destroyed by at least six Raiders armed with nuclear missiles.

''Galactica'' is not the only battlestar to escape the attacks. An attack at the Fleet Shipyards at Scorpia destroys two battlestars, but one battlestar, only partially operational at the time, [[Fall of the Scorpian Fleet Shipyards|manages to escape]].

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== Javascript Reported Vandals ==

== How do you sign up to be a mirror? ==

Hey all, I'm the webmaster of bsgtns.com and one of the owners of MediaBlvd. We think this is a pretty cool thing that you have here, and would like to offer up some server space for a mirror. MB has 6 high end servers, and good deals on bandwidth. I might be missing how to go about that, as I'm fairly new to this space. I did want to say that I really like the concept though, and I spent several hours going thru the Wiki yesterday, and liked what I saw enough to want to be involved-- NetRanger
:[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|talk to joe]]. I think usually the mirror deals with running the software of mediawiki and one site having access to the other and vice-versa. Joe is currently sick. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:12, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:[[BW:MIR]] is the basic requirements. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:18, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
::AFAIK basicly a Mirror has the exact same content except when you go to edit, it takes you to the real BSWiki site? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:24, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Yep. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:41, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

== Where to file feature request on MediaWiki ==
:''Moved to [[User talk:Shane]]''

== Help for Wiki Review Article ==

Admins can help in the circus I created named [[State of the Wiki II]]. I protected the article so that we can corral the talk page commentary to correct the agregious formatting, bias, lack of bias, and all other ills. This is arguably the worst article I've ever made. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:17, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

== Mark as Read ==

Did there used to be a buttton thart did this on my Watchlist? Often, I'll read a diff, rather than the actual article, but I would like it unbolded all the same. I could've sworn there used to be a button that said "Mark all articles as Visited" or something like that. Am I losing my mind, or did a recent update take that away or... what? --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS]) 23:47, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:Is it possible to change the CSS so that links which have been clicked on are an ever so slightly different colour like before? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:58, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
::Updated in CSS. Just waiting to be uploaded :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:05, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

== Login Problems ==

Hello, since the update to the new MediaWiki-Software and the move to the new URL I (and probably everyone else) cannot login to the [http://de.battlestarwiki.org German BSW] anymore. It tells me there is no user Astfgl but the [[:de:User:Astfgl|Userpage]] still exists. Do I have to recreate my account? If so, will my current userstats be lost? (I'm afraid they already are.) -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 03:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:I can re-do the stats. I just need you to register. Can you contact me over Gtalk? I need to talk with you also about something. I sent you an email with my email address through the BSG wiki system. In any case, go ahead and REGSITER your name over there excatly with the same settings here, username, etc, and I will run the script that will re-link you to your edit count. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:24, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::I once read, im sure, that it was possible to consolidate all the logins and passwords for all the wikis so that people dont have to re-register to each one. Surely this is a feature that would be of huge benefit to us?--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:38, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I could copy the "database" row from here to the german to save time, but this is where it gets tricky is the stats. Stats will not auto update. Though it's users. I guess it can't be that hard to count how many users there are and manually update the stat. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:45, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::OK, I re-registered. I don't have GTalk (don't even really know what that is, something like ICQ?) but there are other ways to contact me on my [[User:Astfgl|userpage]]. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 05:12, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Tis ok. I talking to you now via the german wiki. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 05:20, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

== The Merovignian Ban ==

Just to let everyone know, I have taken an executive decision and have banned [[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] from the wiki. My explaination of it [[Battlestar Wiki:The Merovingian Ban|is here]]. I did this last night prior to heading off to bed (as it turned out, it was a good decision, in light of the fact that Ernesto severely weakened upon leaving Cuba and I had to go in this morning after all), so I forgot to post the link here. If anyone needs to talk, please use the [[Battlestar Wiki talk:The Merovingian Ban|talk page of the decision in question]]. Thank you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:02, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

== Vandal ==

Needs blocking. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:39, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

:On it. Need more info for faster block. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:07, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::: Sorry, was trying to notify ASAP. Will remember next time. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:12, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::That's OK. You did everything else right; it would be good if we had some way to flag any admin account when this stuff happens; I was just online at the time. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:15, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

::Spammer blocked. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:10, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

== Battlestar T-shirts ==

This may not be the proper place to bring this to the attention of the community, but my limited knowledge and even more limited intelligence affords me no better alternative. Hot Topic now has Battlestar t-shirts. One has the seal of the "Vigilantes" squadron, and the other says "What the Frak?" with a Colonial emblem on the back. Here's a link: [http://search.hottopic.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&lbc=hottopic&w=battlestar Hot Topic Battlestar Galactica Shirts] {{unsigned|Thetruthseeker}}
: You may want to bring this up to the [[Battlestar Wiki:Wikipedian Quorum|Wikipedian Quorum]], though I don't think these are officially licensed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:45, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

== Forced Skin Update ==

Since 1.8.0 all the other minor skins were removed. I forced everyone back to 'bsgbook' for the time being. You can change back to bsgmonobook if you like now. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 02:08, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

== Think Tank Voting in Progress ==

All administrators and contributors are asked to visit [[Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank]] to vote on proposed projects with links listed in the article. Don't let a good idea fail to ratify! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:24, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

== Dogtags ==
Does anyone know where I can purchase(online or by snail) those neat BG dogtags? :) Wearvyn
:There are always people selling on ebay. I dont know of any seller online though that sells them. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 09:56, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::I found [http://www.quantummechanix.com/ the website] that got the licence to produce official replicas of Dogtags, pins and other collectibles but the site is not yet live. Keep checking back. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:07, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

== external.png ==

Despite changing the theme considerably, you still seem to be using the default MediaWiki [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/skins/bsgbook/external.png external.png]. I thought that [[:Image:external.png|this one]] might be nicer, so links look like [http://cmbuckley.co.uk this] [[Image:external.png]] instead of [http://cmbuckley.co.uk this]. Well, it would line up, but hey. — [[User:Cbuckley|cBuckley]] ([[User talk:Cbuckley|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cbuckley|Contribs]]) 18:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:Thanks... will discuss it. Looks good. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:09, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:I'm fine with it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:47, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::I don't know, there's something kind of forbidding about the dark interior. Could we try it with a white interior and a yellow border that matched the link color? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:08, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::With the external link colour, there's not enough contrast, it just looks like a yellow blob: http://images.scholesmafia.co.uk/white.bsg.external.png And the internal link text's not much better: http://images.scholesmafia.co.uk/white.link.bsg.external.png — [[User:Cbuckley|cBuckley]] ([[User talk:Cbuckley|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cbuckley|Contribs]]) 06:03, 30 October 2006 (CST)
::::I much prefer the first one. Or, perhaps, something in red? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:34, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::::I would think that red carries with it all the connotations of a redlink, and as such wouldn't be suitable. — [[User:Cbuckley|cBuckley]] ([[User talk:Cbuckley|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cbuckley|Contribs]]) 07:09, 30 October 2006 (CST)
::::::You may also want to consider the multiple skins in the design. With the white background some of these can be difficult to see. (I mostly use the bsgmonobook skin, in part just to help catch/troubleshoot situations where something isn't working for "the other" skin.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:13, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::::::I believe there's a way to use call different images depending on the skin via css. So this shouldn't be so much a problem; we could use the yellow external pic for the bsgbook skin and the standard blue external pic for the monobook skin. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 07:16, 30 October 2006 (CST)
I prefer the yellow with black interior, and I concur with the thought that the red is too easy to misinterpret. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 17:21, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Talk:Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series/Archive 1

2006-10-30T23:16:43Z

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This article comprises the bulk of the original FTL article and elements from a past larger article version of [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]], broken out for later expansion and page size considerations. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:14, 11 October 2006 (CDT)

== capitalization of "jump" ==

Why is the word "jump" capitalized so often? Both as noun and verb. I could barely understand capitalizing the noun, and even then it's not a proper noun. But writing "Jump" as verb doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It boggles my mind and just looks silly. Maybe it's just me and I'm overreacting (because I find it annoying), but I correct it wherever I see it. 
The only reason I can think of is one or two references in the BSG Season 1 Companion where it is written with a capital letter. But I consider that a typo and not some kind of official standard. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:06, 30 October 2006 (CST)

:I am inclined to agree with you, and I also normally correct, erm change, it when I see it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 17:16, 30 October 2006 (CST)

User talk:Alberto14

2006-10-29T16:15:08Z

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User talk:Darth random

2006-10-29T16:14:57Z

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User talk:Sheridanmovieguy

2006-10-29T16:14:45Z

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User talk:Sephirius

2006-10-29T16:14:24Z

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Felix Gaeta

2006-10-28T18:53:26Z

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{{Character Data
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|seen= Miniseries
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|role=Aide to President [[Gaius Baltar]], former [[Tactical Officer]], Senior Officer of the Watch, [[CIC]], [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''
|rank= Lieutenant
|actor=[[Alessandro Juliani]]
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Lieutenant '''Felix Gaeta''' {{IPA|ˈgeɪ.ɾə}} ("Gay-tah") is a young, capable officer in the Colonial military. For the three years prior to the [[Cylon attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], he has served as [[William Adama]]'s Senior Officer of the Watch aboard battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''.

Prior to the attack, he was studying biogenetics and planned to get a degree through the military extension program ([[Water]]).

He exhibits a strong attention to detail and is highly efficient. These tendencies and his overall ability have led William Adama to rely heavily on him as a member of ''Galactica's'' command crew, despite his relative youth and junior rank.

As well as performing the role of Tactical Officer, Gaeta also manages the ship's [[FTL]] systems, including the calculation and initiation of Jumps. Gaeta also manages the needs of the various primary [[Computers|computer systems]] used on the battlestar.

==Remarkable Brillance==

As a result of his studies in biogenetics, Lt. Gaeta is selected by Adama to assist Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] in the development of the much-needed [[Cylon detector]] following the Cylon attack([[Water]]). During his time working with Baltar, Gaeta develops a certain respect and liking for the doctor - despite the latter's apparent eccentricities. When a woman called "[[Shelly Godfrey]]" arrives on-board ''Galactica'', Gaeta works hard to prove Baltar's innocence of the charges levelled against him ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Although he is ultimately successful, Gaeta fails to follow-up on the fact that the photographic evidence supplied by "Shelly Godfrey" looked as if the evidence itself had been faked in a way that ensured it was exposed as a forgery.

Gaeta shows his remarkable brilliance after ''Galactica'' mistakenly Jumps to a different set of coordinates than the rest of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to escape a Cylon attack ([[Scattered]]). The [[FTL]] computers compensate for spatial changes, but due to the chaos after [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] is shot by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]], Gaeta does not have time to synchronize the spatial positioning with the rest of the Fleet, whose FTL computers had collectively different information. Complicating the issue, if ''Galactica'' returns to their original position, the Cylons would destroy the ship before it could retrieve the correct Fleet coordinates using standard procedure.

Gaeta blames himself (although [[Saul Tigh]] did not), but later realizes that by networking four computers of the ship (something Commander Adama may never have approved), he could reduce the coordinate calculation time from hours to minutes. Knowing the Cylons would try to crack his ''ad hoc'' network, Gaeta sets up five [[Wikipedia:Firewall (networking)|firewalls]] in the network to slow their progress while the ship's guns and Vipers buy the needed time to calculate. Unfortunately for Gaeta, the firewalls are not completely effective. Several power and CIC systems were disabled by a Cylon infection while [[Cylon Centurion]]s board the ship ([[Valley of Darkness]]). Gaeta scrambles to purge the systems of any remaining traces of the [[Virus|virus]].

==Under Pressure==

Gaeta's calm exterior shows signs of wear when his interview with [[D'anna Biers]] shows him somewhat drunk, smoking, and brandishing a rather garish [[tattoo]] of a tiger ([[Final Cut]]). Viewers learn from the footage that Gaeta's first name is Felix.

The Cylon virus rears its ugly head once more a few weeks later when shipboard malfunctions increase to a point where consoles begin to sputter and short out. Gaeta confirms that the same virus they thought they had removed from the formerly-networked computers had metamorphized into a heuristic program--a [[Logic bomb|logic bomb]]--that studied and probed flaws in the battlestar's computers and the hardware that each system manages. The logic bomb threatened to disable the ship's human control on a Cylon fighter's command--and a Cylon attack force was imminent.

After Colonel Tigh's command to perform the daunting task of inspecting many lines of computer code for a Cylon virus, the young lieutenant completely loses his cool:

:'''Gaeta''': A power surge energized the board. System's been twitchy ever since the Cylons infiltrated our network. 
:'''Tigh''': Commander's right. I don't care if you have to go through this program line by line; fix it. 
:'''Gaeta''': Excuse me? 
:'''Tigh''': You heard me. 
:'''Gaeta''': Sir, I'm running every diagnostic we've got. Checking each line of code could take days. 
:'''Tigh''': I am not interested in excuses. Fix it! 
:'''Gaeta''': It's not an excuse, sir. It's a [[frak|frakking]] fact! 

Everyone on the bridge, especially Commander Adama, is shocked by Gaeta's highly uncharacteristic outburst, but Adama is not particularly surprised, knowing that everyone on ''Galactica'' has low morale after working for months with no relief or change to their routine.

Gaeta has a solution for the logic bomb: Wipe all computer hard drives and restore them from backups made before the Cylon attack. The problem in doing this is that ''Galactica'' will be completely vulnerable to attack, save for her Viper fighters, for several minutes as her computers are rebuilt.

Against his instincts and on [[Laura Roslin]]'s advice, Adama opts to use the unique abilities of the cooperative [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica copy of Sharon Valerii]] to aid them. Gaeta gives the humanoid Cylon a fiber-optic data link with access to the battlestar mainframe computer and the ship's communications. After a few tense moments, Valerii asks Gaeta to perform the computer hard drive wipe after taking into her computer/brain a copy of the Cylon virus. She manipulates it and transmits to the massive incoming Cylon fleet, disabling the entire Cylon fleet in the same way that the Colonials suffered in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The Colonial forces [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|destroy the entire Cylon force]] without a single Colonial casualty ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

Gaeta is among the tense officers and crew in CIC that witness a standoff between their battlestar and the heavily-advanced battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', whose commander, Admiral [[Helena Cain]], has opted to execute two ''Galactica'' crew members after she tried them herself and against Adama's requests for the rights of his crew to have a fair, open trial ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

== The Presidential Election and New Caprica ==

During the presidential election, Gaeta is assigned to aid and oversee the ballot counting process on ''Galactica''. He also aids in thwarting Roslin's plans to steal the election (though he apparently never knew -- or indicates any knowledge of -- who exactly is behind it, other than Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]) by discovering the illegitimate ballots from the ''[[Zephyr]]''. The only reason he realizes that the ''Zephyr'''s ballots were tampered with is due to the fact that the ''Zephyr''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s original, valid ballots had misspelled Gaius Baltar's name -- the fixed ballots did not share this error. (Gaeta had authorized the go-ahead to use the misspelled ballots due to the lack of time to print new ones prior to the opening of the polls.)
Due to this happenstance discovery, Baltar, who had been rightfully voted as President-Elect, was sworn in as president and ordered the Fleet to colonize [[New Caprica]].

A year later on [[New Caprica]], Gaeta seems to be an adviser to President [[Gaius Baltar]]. His previous post on ''Galactica'' is assumed by [[Karl Agathon]]. While Gaeta is pleased that there had been no Cylon attacks during Baltar's presidency, he disapproves of Baltar's womanizing and is secretly infuriated at Baltar's devil-may-care attitude towards the New Caprica City Worker's Union and the Quorum of Twelve. Gaeta later brings news of the Cylon invasion to the president and is present when Baltar surrenders New Caprica to [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Number Five]]. ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

Gaeta is also the [[New Caprica Resistance]] inside source into the inner workings of the Cylons. He seems to favor an assassination of President Baltar as he provides the group with information that he is going to attend the [[New Caprica Police]] force graduation, which is disrupted by [[Duck]]'s suicide bombing. However, upon learning that Baltar would not attend, he rushes to contact the group to warn them Baltar that is not going to be there. ([[Occupation]])

== Inside Man ==
Being the "inside man" allows him to help the [[New Caprica Resistance]] understand the inner Cylon related activities and security procedures on [[New Caprica]]. For him to contact the group, he flips [[Jake (New Caprica)|Jake]]'s yellow bowl upside down and leaves a note or information packet in a nearby tool bin for the [[New Caprica Resistance|resistance]] to find. [[Galen Tyrol]] does not know that he is the "inside man" and when theytalk, Tyrol accuses of him being a collaborator. ([[Precipice]])

== End of the Baltar Administration ==
As the Cylons are preparing to evacuate during the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Gaeta pulls a gun on a distraught President Baltar, clearly intending to kill him. [[Caprica-Six]] attempts to dissuade Gaeta from this course of action. In contrast to his companion's feelings, Baltar seems fully willing to die; but he tells Gaeta that he is the only one who could stop a [[Number Three]]-model Cylon from detonating a nuclear weapon hidden somewhere in the city of New Caprica. This convinces the reluctant Gaeta to let Baltar go, giving the disgraced leader a chance to redeem himself ([[Exodus, Part II]]). Gaeta is presumably on Colonial One when it leaves the planet and is in ''Galactica'''s hangar during the post-battle celebration.

== Return to Duty ==
Gaeta is initially isolated from ''Galactica'''s crew and those who were on New Caprica. Because of his high position in the collaborationist government, they believe he carried out the will of the Cylons. When he arrives in CIC to help with repairs on the communication systems damaged during the recent battle, former resistance leader Colonel Tigh is openly hostile towards him. Gaeta attempts to defend his actions in a tense conversation with [[Kara Thrace]] by revealing himself as Tyrol's mysterious informant. Starbuck doesn't know about the informant, since she was a captive of [[Leoben Conoy]] during the four-month Cylon occupation. She mocks her crewmate and dismisses his revelation as a poorly fabricated lie.

When Gaeta's name comes up for review in the [[The Circle]], he is convicted of the crime of collaborating with the enemy and sentenced to death, despite the lack of evidence against him. The six-person tribunal takes him to a Viper [[launch tube]] to face his sentence. When asked to defend himself, Gaeta says that he already did and refuses to beg for his life. This infuriates Starbuck, who lashes out at him in a physical attack and resumes the mocking she started in the mess hall. Upon hearing Starbuck repeat information about the dog bowl, Galen Tyrol realizes that Gaeta was indeed the informant from inside the Baltar administration. Gaeta is released and sent on his way. He resumes his duties as a Lieutenant, still shunned by most of his crewmates except Tyrol ([[Collaborators]]).

==Note==
*While Gaeta is described as the "Tactical Officer", his role is closer to that of the US Navy's CIC Watch Officer (CICWO), combining it with elements of the Tactical Watch Officer (TAO), a role also partially fulfilled by [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]], both under the command of [[William Adama]]. According to the official SciFi.com character data file, Gaeta's title is "Senior Officer of the Watch", although the title of Tactical Officer may have a better "ring" to the ears of most viewers.
*The name "Felix" means "Happy" in Latin; the connotations of the Latin word imply being fortunate, lucky, prosperous, or "favored by the gods". It first appeared in the episode ''[[Final Cut]]''.
*[[Wikipedia:Gaeta|Gaeta]] is the name of a small seaport and resort in southern Italy. This goes well with his Latin first name.
*His counterpart in the original "Battlestar Galactica" is Sgt. [[Omega]], a [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]] native.
*In the [[Miniseries]], Gaeta's name is usually pronounced "Guy-tah" {{IPA|ˈgaɪ.ɾə}}. However, in all subsequent installments of the regular series, everyone pronounces it as "Gay-tah" {{IPA|ˈgeɪ.ɾə}}; however, Col. [[Saul Tigh]] seems to vacillate between {{IPA|ˈgeɪ.ɾə}} and {{IPA|ˈgaɪ.ɾə}}.
*There is speculation among fans that Gaeta is another [[Cylon agent speculation|Cylon infiltrator]].

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Collaborators

2006-10-28T18:43:07Z

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{{Episode Data
| title= Collaborators
| image=JammerCollaborators.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 5
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 305
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-27
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,435
| prev= [[Exodus, Part II]]
| next= [[Torn]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[The Circle]], a secret tribunal on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', decides the fate of [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and other Colonials who aided the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] during the occupation of [[New Caprica]].

== Summary ==
=== On ''[[Galactica]]'' ===
* [[James Lyman]] (Jammer) is brought before [[The Circle]]. He is found guilty of treason, the punishment for which is death. Despite his pleas and an attempt to convince [[Galen Tyrol]] to spare him, for Lyman freed [[Cally Tyrol]] from the Cylon death squad ([[Precipice]]), The Circle carries out Lyman's punishment and ejects him from ''Galactica'' by depressurizing the [[launch tubes|launch tube]] where he is held.
* After Lyman's execution, Tyrol talks to his wife about how she escaped. While she claims to not have thought about the incident since, Cally Tyrol tells him that she thinks one "[[New Caprica Police|of those goons]]" set her free.
* On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] asks Tom Zarek of his plans as the new President. Zarek plans to reconvene the Quorum of Twelve, put Roslin's name in for nomination to vice president and then step down, returning the presidency to her. Roslin assumes that this act requires something in return for Zarek, who he asks not be left on the outside of government affairs. For his actions in standing up to Gaius Baltar on New Caprica, she promises him the Vice Presidency.
* [[Felix Gaeta]] enters the still damaged [[CIC]] to help with repairs to communication. [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] sees him and vocally demands for him to leave, accusing him as a collaborator. [[Helo]] tells Tigh that Gaeta is there on the Admiral's orders, but Tigh continues to protest loudly until Admiral Adama appears. The admiral takes him out of the room to talk to him about resting so he will be ready, something that Tigh thinks he doesn't need.
* The Circle reconvenes, now under a three-day time limit to dole out justice. As they run through the cases, they eventually they come to the file on Gaeta, with four of the members voting guilty. Anders refuses to vote and leaves the Circle, tired of the continuous killing has has done. Chief Tyrol refuses to vote if they do not have a sixth member as required for the Circle.
* In the mess hall, Gaeta is treated as ''[[Wikipedia:Persona non grata|persona non grata]]'', eating alone until [[Kara Thrace]] sits at his table. She talks, kindly at first, then insults him for his supposed cowardice. Gaeta counters by bringing up his status as the informant, mentioning the dog dish being flipped over as his signal to the resistance.
* Lee and Bill Adama talking about the status of the fleet. Lee Adama brings up the fact that over the past few days, 13 people have mysteriously disappeared, after being confirmed as survivors of the Exodus.
* The Circle brings in Kara Thrace as the replacement vote of the jury. All vote guilty on Gaeta, except for Tyrol once more. Anders comes in and requests time to talk with his wife. The scene splits, with the other members of the Circle trying to convince Tyrol of Gaeta's guilt, and Anders trying to explain that what the Circle does isn't justice. Thrace rebuffs him, her pain from incarceration lashing at anyone, even her husband. Thrace tells Anders that they must separate. The Chief eventually folds and votes guilty.
* Gaeta is captured and brought to a launch tube, told that this is an official trial under authority from the President of the Colonies, and that if he has anything to say to explain himself he should say it now. Gaeta replies that he has already told his story and refuses to beg.
*Kara Thrace's anger lashes out at Gaeta, telling him to beg, while taunting him with the idea that he was an informant for the insurgency, and mentioning the [[Jake (New Caprica)|dog bowl]].
*The Chief hears this, and reveals that Gaeta could not know about the signal unless he was the one leaving the dead drops.
*The other members of the Circle realize Gaeta's innocence, that he was in fact the secret source inside the Baltar Adminstration. Colonel Tigh stands speechless in the revelation, confused between his own certainty and the facts before him.
* Laura Roslin is re-inaugurated as the President of the Twelve Colonies, and issues a decree of amnesty against all alleged collaborators, after it is privately revealed that former President [[Tom Zarek]] authorized the trials and sentences conducted by the Circle in an attempt to protect Roslin from having to deal with public trials which could destroy the unity of the Fleet through highly publicized "witch hunts."
* Still outcast, Gaeta is reinstated in the Colonial Fleet. In the mess hall, Chief Tyrol sits with Gaeta. Both eat in silence as the other crew members are taken aback by the act.

===On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]===
* [[Gaius Baltar]] seems to be on ''Colonial One'', sitting in a chair in front of Tigh, Roslin, and Admiral Adama as they talk about how there was little he could do with the situation he had on New Caprica.
* As the group forgives him, the [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Six]] appears and claims the group is too lenient. Admiral Adama actually seems to hear her. Laura Roslin begins to tell Baltar how much she wants him in a provocative manner when Baltar realizes he is dreaming, waking up as Roslin kisses him.
*Baltar finds himself naked on a red [[Wikipedia:Chaise longue|chaise longue]] inside an unrecognizable room. When a [[Cylon Centurion]] guard appears at the doorway, Baltar realizes that he is imprisoned in the room with only a robe to wear. The scene turns to outer space where we see several Cylon basestars surrounding a [[Resurrection Ship]].
* A [[Number Three]] visits Baltar. She tells him that 3 days have elapsed since his arrival, and offers him a bottle of pills. She tells him that his presence on the basestar has caused a conflict between seven of the models. With three voting for him to be allowed to remain, while three vote for him to be removed. The only model that hasn't come to a consensus are the Sixes.
* A Six, heavily implied to be [[Caprica Six]], visits Baltar and explains how wrong she was to let her feelings get in the way of her duties as a Cylon. Baltar tries to convince Six that she is more then just a Cylon and that she loves him. As she walks out he belatedly tells her that he needs her as well.
*Later, Baltar awakens to find a set of clothes in his room. The Cylon have apparently chosen to allow him to remain.

== Questions ==

* Will there be another organization in the Fleet that will continue where [[The Circle]] left off?
* Since Tigh has been reinstated into the Colonial Fleet, where does this leave Galactica's chain of command? Specifically, what are the roles of Tigh, Helo, and [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] now?
* What of [[Lee Adama]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] and other officers of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''? How will these redundacies be dealt with?
* Why is [[Charlie Connor]] aboard ''Galactica''? Outside of The Circle, what was his purpose on ''Galactica'', seeing as he is not a past crew member?
**This episode takes place only three days after the events of "[[Exodus, Part II]]." ''Galactica'' now has many extra people on board including civilians.
* Has [[Samuel Anders]] become a member of ''Galactica's'' crew, or is he only allowed onboard because of his relationship with Thrace?
* Will any of The Circle's members or Zarek face charges, or will they be pardoned by Roslin's government for what they had done?
* Now that the Cylons seem to have accepted Gaius Baltar, at least begrudgingly, what will happen to him?
* What happened to those who were left behind on [[New Caprica]]?
* Why are the Tyrols being allowed to keep their baby with them aboard ''Galactica''?
** The Tyrols are not the only ones on Galactica with children, as seen near the beginning of the episode. A number of crewmembers now have families. A precedent exists for keeping a child aboard Galactica, namely [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]].
* Which Cylon models are in favor of allowing Baltar to stay with them (besides Three, who proposed it in the first place) and which are not in favor?

== Analysis ==
*{{spoilli|Three's statement that three models are in favor of keeping Baltar around and three are against it, with Six's vote needed to break the stalement, may support statements made by Grace Park, Dean Stockwell, and Tricia Helfer in interviews that the seven Cylon agent models currently known to the audience (the "Significant Seven") have no knowledge of the others (the "Final Five").}}
* This is the first time viewers have seen a living interior of a Cylon basestar. The only time an interior shot of a basestar was ever seen was in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" when [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] encounters her [[Number Eight|sisters]].
* Lee Adama mentions that he lost "half a stone" refering to his weight. A stone is a unit of weight used mostly in the United Kingdom and Ireland that is equivalent to 14 pounds.
* ''Galactica's'' living spaces and hallways appear much more crowded than in the first two seasons, reflecting the expanded size of her crew. There also appear to be civilians mixed in with ''Galactica'''s crew complment, which is likely the result of overcrowding and the loss of some of the ships during the colonization and occupation of New Caprica.
* The exterior of ''Galactica'' is visibly damaged from the [[Battle of New Caprica]].
* The only two [[Cylon agent]]s to appear are Number Three and Number Six.
* The Tyrols and Saul Tigh are back on active duty. Gaeta is later reinstated. It is unknown whether or not [[Seelix]] or [[Kara Thrace]] have resumed their normal duties.

== Notes ==
* This episode marks the resumption of the [[Survivor count]]. There has been a net loss of 8,115 people since the beginning of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]."
**Survivor count for this episode is 41,435.
* Laura Roslin resumes the Presidency in this episode.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''After discussing the thirteen missing persons:''
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': I've got a date with a jump rope. Hey, I've lost half a stone.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': Keep jumpin'.

*''In Gaius Baltar's dream:''
:'''Number Six''': Don't make me angry, Gaius.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': You wouldn't like her when she's angry.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
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Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Episode pages are not forums

2006-10-28T18:41:24Z

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100% Agree. My aurgment lies here: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Episode_Standardization#Questions.2FAnalysis_Sections --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:47, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

This I have no problem with. If anything, the "back and forth" commentary needs to be placed on the ''discussion'' pages, so that questions can be rephrased, removed, or modified accordingly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:41, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:Well we dont have a forum, where else would you suggest this kind of stuff take place? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:30, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
::Joe is suggesting it take place on the discussion/talk pages, rather than in the article space. The argumentative retorts tend to break the "encyclopedic" feel of the articles. Though I understand why you'd be interested in getting some kind of a forum set up in those domain names... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:14, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

:It would be better if we chose to require each and every question to be written in single bullets instead of the nested questions, which complicate editing matters. We could use the talk page to transfer obvious or answered questions from the article, but I wouldn't care to have a discussion there, either. We already have the Standards and Conventions policy of how to enter questions, so a new policy is merely redundant. I think we just need to create a practice with editing that enforces the current rule, and perhaps be more strict about entering questions. Alternatively, we could create a separate subarticle for the episode article (for example, <nowiki>[[Exodus, Part II/Preliminary questions]]</nowiki>) that allow free-flowing questions to be entered by veteran or new contributors with less knowledge of the show. Questions placed there that remain unanswerable and germane (that is, avoiding overspeculation and [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]) can be added to the larger page, say, 1 week after the episode airs. In a sense, we moderate the questions outside of the article and they stay in wikispace.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:12, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

I agree. In addition to the back-and-forthing, some people also write very opionated, almost saying things like "In my opinion" or "I think". Some also blow trivial things out of proportion. IMO that's not very interesting or desirable. It can be mentioned of course, but shouldn't deserve several bullet points. But where to draw a line is very subjective --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:27, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

: ... which leads me to believe that we should remove the "replies" to said questions from the Questions area entirely, unless they are answered in a later episode. Also, any analysis due to the questions should be moved down to the "Analysis" section. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:07, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

::That sounds good (apologies, Joe...I think I just repeated back what you said initially in my last comment). Should we experiment with this tonight with [[Collaborators]]? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:51, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Absolutely. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 07:58, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

:Maybe this doesn't belong here, but an example from "Exodus, Part II" is the question of how ''Galactica'''s Vipers managed to land on the ship so quickly, when flying from the planet to space would take several minutes. It's beyond me how anyone can assume that the episode took place in real time. It's blindingly obvious that we didn't see everything that happend and that the whole thing took hours. Yet there are 1 or 2 huge paragraphs with pointless explinations of a trivial issue --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:42, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

::Thanks for bringing this up. Definitely the right place to do it. I am strongly for removing the explainations entirely. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:07, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

:::These are the same reasons that I moved the "deus ex machina" discussions from [[Epiphanies]] and [[Flight of the Phoenix]] when I went through the episodes. Episode articles should mainly "tell the story" about what is shown onscreen. Questions should have a possible, maybe probable, concrete answer in future episode. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 10:54, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

::I think we need to get this going. Otherwise we will be putting commented out HTML to remind people where things go. Better to do it now early in the season while we can still "remember" the episodes. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:42, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

::: Agreed. Let's get the ball rolling and put this to a vote. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:43, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

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#{{support}}. Keeping articles encylopedic and lean is what a wiki is all about. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:57, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
#{{support}}. Keep it lean and mean. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:04, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
#{{support}}. Somtimes less is more --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:31, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
#{{support}}. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:44, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
#{{support}} The word "chastising" strikes me as a bit too strong, but the Questions sections do need to be policed. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:41, 28 October 2006 (CDT)