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Tamara Adama

2011-01-09T20:56:11Z

Bradtem: Correcting relationshiop

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'''Tamara Adama''' (or '''Adams''') was the half sister of [[William Adama]] and the eldest child of [[Joseph Adama|Joseph]] and [[Shannon Adama]]. She was killed in the bombing of the [[Caprica City]] [[Metropolitan Levitation Mass Transit|Metropolitan Levitation Mass Transit System]], but lived on in the form of a holographic [[avatar]].

==History==
Tamara Adama grew up under the name Adams, her father having changed their family name before her birth. Adama lived with her family in the [[Little Tauron]] neighborhood of downtown Caprica City, she attended school at [[Promethia High School]]. Her family believed that she had a bright future ahead of her, [[Sam Adama]], her uncle, saying that she would "make us all proud" ([[CAP]]: "[[Caprica pilot|Pilot]]", "[[Rebirth]]", "[[Gravedancing]]").

When signing her name, Tamara would always put a flower on top of the T, creating an easily recognizable mark ([[CAP]]: "[[Ghosts in the Machine]]").

In her final days, Tamara Adama helped her mother plan a birthday party for her brother, Willie. Sadly, Tamara never got to attend her brother's party, dying with her mother in a suicide bombing carried out by [[Ben Stark]] - a member of the [[Soldiers of the One]] terror group. She was survived by her father, brother, and grandmother, [[Ruth]] ([[CAP]]: "[[Caprica pilot|Pilot]]").

===Family Tree===
{{Adama Family Tree (RDM)}}

===Avatar===
Devastated by the loss of his daughter, Tamara's father Joseph Adama entered a period of mourning. During this time, Adama was introduced to [[Daniel Graystone]], the wealthy scientist and owner of [[Graystone Industries]]. Graystone proposed to bring Tamara - and possibly even Shannon - back from the dead through the use of a [[resurrection program]], created by his genius daughter [[Zoe Graystone]] who was also killed in the bombing. In exchange, Graystone asked that Adama - who was affiliated with the Tauron crime syndicate, the [[Ha'la'tha]] - arrange to have a piece of [[meta-cognitive processor|equipment]] stolen from Graystone's competitor, the [[Vergis Corporation]]. Upon receiving the equipment, Graystone scanned Adama into the [[Virtual World]] and introduced him to a replica of Tamara, created through the use of a holographic avatar ([[CAP]]: "[[Caprica pilot|Pilot]]").

==Tamara-A==
The '''Tamara avatar''' (or '''Tamara-A''') awakened in a private space in Daniel Graystone's [[Graystone Estate|home]] computer. Rushing into the arms of her father, she was at first confused, unable to remember how she got there. Soon, however, Tamara began to panic, claiming that she was unable to feel her own heart beat ([[CAP]]: "[[Caprica pilot|Pilot]]").

Incensed, Joesph Adama tore off his [[holoband]], calling the avatar an "abomination". Graystone, though, was calm, explaining that Tamara would get used to the new sensations. Still, Adama refused to accept that Graystone could have truly recreated his daughter, and a rift formed between the two men ([[CAP]]: "[[Caprica pilot|Pilot]]").

===Rebirth===
As time went on, Joseph Adama was unable to shake the experience with the avatar, even hallucinating an image of his daughter reaching out to him. Reconsidering his initial revulsion, Adama attempted to reestablish contact with Daniel Graystone, only to have his calls ignored. Finding Graystone at the memorial service for victims of the bombing at [[Apollo Park]], Adama asked to see the Tamara avatar again. Graystone, however, was so consumed with his own daughter's [[Zoe-A|avatar]] and its apparent loss, that he merely assumed the Tamara avatar suffered the same fate ([[CAP]]: "[[Rebirth]]").

[[Image:Tamara-A discovered, 1x03.jpg|thumb|left|Zoe-A and Lacy discover Tamara in Graystone's computer.]]

Upon actually checking the system, Graystone was surprised to find the Tamara avatar still intact in his private virtual space. However, the avatar was also discovered in this space by the Zoe Graystone avatar - transferring between the body of a [[U-87 Cyber Combat Unit]] and the virtual world. Showing Tamara out of the private space into the "[[V-Club]]", Zoe offered to help Tammy find her way home. Tamara, however, refused, venturing into the Virtual World alone ([[CAP]]: "[[The Reins of a Waterfall]]").

Entering the virtual space yet again, Graystone and Adama were shocked to find that Tamara was gone. Graystone chalked it up to a computer error, however, Adama took it harder, thus widening the rift and placing both men into conflict ([[CAP]]: "[[The Reins of a Waterfall]]").

===New Cap City===
[[Image:Tamara in New Cap City, 1x05.jpg|thumb|Tamara alone in New Cap City.]]

Believing she was still alive, Tamara wandered the V-World alone, searching for [[Vesta]], a gamer who could provide answers. Finding Vesta in a game of [[Wikipedia:Russian roulette|Russian roulette]], Tamara pleaded for help. Convinced she had simply fallen asleep wearing her holoband, Vespa raised her gun and fired on Tamara, thinking the pain would shock and derez her. Tamara did not derez, however, experiencing the pain of the gunshot, but quickly healing - something no avatar had previously done. Vesta promised then to help Tamara, but for a price ([[CAP]]: "[[There is Another Sky]]").

====The Heist====
Paired with [[Tad Thorean|Tad "Herecles" Thorean]], Tamara was sent to the gaming environment known as [[New Cap City]], a hacked site where gang warfare persisted throughout a lawless recreation of Caprica City. Herecles brought Tammy to the hangout of [[Chiron]], a New Cap City "fat cat" who sat on a fortune of points. Distracting Chrion's guards and even being shot, Tamara bought time for Herecles to sneak behind Chrion and steal his avatar's code ([[CAP]]: "[[There is Another Sky]]").

[[Image:Tamara-a-gun.JPG|thumb|left|"I'm awake."]]

Using the code to disguise himself as Chiron, Herecles then took Tamara into Chiron's vault where they entered a code and gained most of - if not all - of Chrion's points. As they were collecting the digital coins, however, several guards stormed in, opening fire on Tamara. Resisting the gunshots, Tamara reflexively demonstrated an ability to control code, causing the guards to spontaneously derez ([[CAP]]: "[[There is Another Sky]]").

Back at Chiron's hangout, Vesta had taken over and discovered the specifics of Tamara's predicament. Demanding that she continue to serve her needs, Vesta revealed that Tamara had died some months ago in the bombing of MagLev train number 23. Despondent and unwilling to be exploited, Tamara grabbed a gun and opened fire on Vesta's guards before turning the gun on Vesta herself. Telling Herecles that he could be more than just a gamer, Tamara urged him to find her father in the real world, saying that she would be waiting in New Cap City ([[CAP]]: "[[There is Another Sky]]").

====Alone====
Once again on her own in the Virtual World, Tamara continued to seek answers in New Cap City. There she visited the [[Mysteries]] club and consulted the host, [[Cerberus]] who was impressed by her abilities. Still, Tamara failed to find what she was looking for and continued to wander, placing her distinctive signature wherever she went ([[CAP]]: "[[Ghosts in the Machine]]").

Having been contacted by Herecles in the real world, Joseph Adama learned of Tamara's presence in New Cap City and quickly entered the game. After Herecles derezzed, Adama located a new guide "[[Emmanuelle]]" and the search for Tammy began in earnest. Upon the discovery of Tamara's flower signature covering a wall outside Mysteries, Emmanuelle raised the question of Tamara's desire to be found, wondering if she hadn't made New Cap City her home ([[CAP]]: "[[The Imperfections of Memory]]", "[[Ghosts in the Machine]]").

[[Image:Tamara-a-symbol.JPG|thumb|Tamara's signature in New Cap City.]]

Adama persisted, becoming addicted to the hack called [[amp]] and dropping out of his own life to constantly search for his daughter. Concerned for Adama's descent into addiction, Emmanuelle - really Adama's personal assistant [[Evelyn]] - created a signal depicting Tamara's signature and drawing to the New Cap City version of her family apartment. There, Evelyn convinced Tamara to help her father move on ([[CAP]]: "[[End of Line]]").

Bringing Adama to his New Cap City apartment, Emmanuelle/Evelyn reunited Joseph with Tamara. The reunion, though, was short lived. Tamara insisted that her father stop destroying his life by following her, telling him to focus on William and not on her. She then shot herself in the chest, seemingly sacrificing her life, before shooting her father, forcing him to derez and banishing him from New Cap City ([[CAP]]: "[[End of Line]]").

===Deadwalker===
[[Image:Tamara the Deadwalker, 1x12.jpg|thumb|Tamara venting her rage at Zoe Graystone.]]

Word of Tamara's immortality and apparent ability to control code spread throughout New Cap City, creating a group of users loyal to her. Now referred to as the "Deadwalker", Tamara commanded much support in the game, with some users taking on protective roles, their foreheads branded with Tamara's mark ([[CAP]]: "[[Unvanquished]]").

Having learned more about her demise in the real world, Tamara came to believe media portrayals of Zoe Graystone as the bomber of the Caprica City Maglev. When the Zoe avatar appeared in New Cap City searching for her, Tamara met Zoe in the ruins of [[Atlas Arena]] where she unleashed followers of hers, angry about the bombing. Letting her followers attack and beat Zoe horribly, Tamara vented her rage at being murdered. Zoe, though, withstood the beating and, following brutal hand-to-hand combat with Tamara, convinced the Deadwalker to join her in the pursuit of a common destiny ([[CAP]]: "[[Things We Lock Away]]").

===Avenging Angels===
Acknowledging it as a breeding ground of moral decay and corruption, Tamara and Zoe take it upon themselves to "clean" New Cap City. Appearing nightly at the den of iniquity called "Sinny McNutt's Slash & Cut", Tamara and Zoe engage in combat with its patrons, opening fire on those who are unwilling to leave and derezzing them from the game. The notion of encountering the girls at the bar is a draw to users, who hope to either kill them or be killed by them - either way becoming famous ([[CAP]]: "[[The Dirteaters]]").

The notion of Tamara and Zoe as "Avenging Angels" quickly spreads into Caprican popular culture. As T-shirts appear on the streets of Caprica City bearing the likeness of Tamara and Zoe, Daniel Graystone becomes aware of the phenomenon and enters V-World to find his daughter. Catching a glimpse of Daniel at the Slash & Cut Bar, Tamara and Zoe flee, but not before confirming their existence to Graystone ([[CAP]]: "[[The Dirteaters]]").

Afraid of being found by Daniel, Tamara suggests they leave New Cap City for other parts of V-World. Zoe, however, rejects the notion, saying that the two had become gods there. Vowing to "forsake these [[frak|motherfrakkers]]", Tamara and Zoe use their ability to control code to destroy and reconfigure the urban setting, turning New Cap City into a fortress upon a mountain ([[CAP]]: "[[The Dirteaters]]").

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User talk:Bradtem

2009-07-09T23:04:14Z

Bradtem: /* Battlestar Galactica: The Final Five */

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--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 13:43, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Recent contribution ==

Hi there. I removed a recent edit that you added in the article on [[Earth]].

<blockquote>''It is worth noting that it's a very strongly established scientific fact that humans come from Earth. All life on Earth is closely related, and has been here for billions of years -- as has been revealed by DNA sequencing done after the original Galactica. Indeed humans share over a quarter of their genes with Earth plants. A story depicting Earth humanity as descended from a tribe from another planet would be in serious contradiction with scientific reality. Of course, this sometimes happens in SF TV.''</blockquote>

The scientist's findings have a bias in that we haven't anything (or anywhere) to compare their results to. While I understand that genetics connect the human race, official sources for the show indicate that viewers must not assume that the Earth in the series is that of our relative past, present, or future. Therefore we should not make [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|inappropriate speculation]] until the series writers define more for us. You might want to visit the [[Sacred Scrolls]] article for what other contributors have derived regarding the multi-exodus theory based on what's been presented in the show thus far. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:38, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Recent rollback ==

Hi Bradtem. I rolled back your contribution to the article [[Temple of Five]]. Your edits simply expanded on the brief descriptions there without giving any new specifics on the article's subject, which goes against our status quo policy of not repeating or creating episode narratives in an article unnecessarily: that's what the episode article itself ([[Rapture]]) is for. One unrelated matter: to make easier for others to know who we replying to in talk contributions, be sure to enter your signature after your comment. You can use two hyphens and four tildes (<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>) or you can use the signature button at the top of the page that appears while you edit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:30, 1 February 2007 (CST)

I am wondering why the fact I added (that there are 6 drapes and 5 cylons with one drape standing empty, which is not documented elsewhere) is not germane to the question of the temple or opera house. (I just noticed there are 8 drapes in the Baltar/6 version of the Opera house, 7+1?) The note about Tyrol's hesitation is documented in the episode summary, but I felt what is written in the Temple article leaves out something important about the Temple - Tyrol's emotional bond to it, which starts with his unexplained compulsion for him, the only person who will recognize it, to walk into the mountains. Why did you feel so strongly that these are not important facts to document about the temple? --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:20, 1 February 2007 (CST)

== My personal fanwank ==

I won't post the text here, but if you want to read my imagined timeline for a grand unified theory of the history of Earth, Kobol, the Cylons (versions 1, 2 and 3) and the rest, it's on my web site at http://www.templetons.com/brad/battlestar.html.

No real spoilers past Rapture. Unless you consider speculation on future episodes as spoilers.

== Re: [[Final five]] ==
Thanks for your note, Bradterm. Actually, I hadn't forgotten Shelly Godfrey ([[Talk:Humanoid_Cylon_speculation#The_Eight_Cylons_in_the_fleet|I even mentioned her myself elsewhere]]), but I just don't think we can assume she was wtill with the fleet at the time of Boomer's statement. In addition to the question of whether she was real at all (raised in the [[Shelly Godfrey]] article), there's the fact of her mysterious disappearance, along with the difficulty of her remaining hidden in the fleet after the widespread circulation of her photograph.

Frankly, I don't think we can conclude a lot about this unknown Cylon, if it exists. I would guess it is either Godfrey or a copy of Simon (he was the only one of the 12 who hadn't either had his cover blown or had a copy with the fleet already). I've reworded the statement on [[Final five]] to reflect this uncertainty, though I've left in a reference to Godfrey as a possible candidate. Later, --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 17:54, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, I know the Shelly theories, but right now they're in the highly-speculative category, and there's no real way off the fleet short of death, so I would have to presume she's there until we get evidence otherwise. If she's a physical version of virtual-six, then that's a very major revalation, as much as we might suspect it. As now it's unexplained how, after Gina was found, they did not turn up Shelly in a fleet hunt, but if Gina could hide, so could she.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:06, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

== Traffic, and guest bloggers ==
Thanks for the links! If you're curious sometime, I think Shane can run some stats about how much traffic you're sending our way (at least directly through links). We generally rate pretty high on Google searches for specific terms, and thankfully due to relevant content (and not the "keyword spam" games of old, if such things work anymore). Traffic will likely be light, though, until show-related activity resumes.

I might be interested in writing a guest piece. I doubt I could be a regular, and my "wiki-training" of citing sources has created something of a mental barrier with regards to actually generating content, but I have an idea for a little piece comparing and contrasting the new and old Baltar. It'd likely do me some good to flex my creative writing muscles now and again. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:19, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
:Ok, to try your hand, create an account on the blog, and E-mail me btm of templetons.com so I can enable it with posting permissions. The rest is explained at [http://ideas.4brad.com/guide-writing-site the writing guide]. --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:26, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

== Flesher/Colonial/Cylon neurobiology ==

I like your "made-up back-story for Battlestar Galactica". The technology described to create fleshers clearly is synthetic biology (the design and construction of new biological parts, devices, and systems, and the re-design of existing, natural biological systems). It's different from conventional genetic engineering in that it aims to construct entire new living systems from wholly new DNA created by human design. Living systems that do not already exist in the natural world.

Here is a description of flesher/colonial/cylon neurobiology that perhaps you could incorporate into your theory:

The neurons of fleshers (e.g. colonials, humanoid cylons) have many internal components and chemical compounds that are completely unique. Although organic, they do not exist in normal human nerve cells or anywhere else in nature for that matter.

The unique properties of these components causes the neurons to generate electrical signals that are digital in nature. This means that the consciousness that emerges from flesher/cylon brains is based totally upon electronic digital information transfer rather than electrochemical interactions like the natural human brain. This in turn means that flesher/cylon consciousness is fundamentally an advanced artificial intelligence software program encased in what is essentially an organic computer system (i.e. highly advanced computing platform). That's why their consciousness can interface with a ship's computer and can even be trasmitted like a computer program...because it IS a computer program. A computer program via biological hardware.

What do you think of this theory?

-- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 03:37, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

== Apocalyptic Thoughts ==

Hi, Brad. Just wanted to say "well done" to the sourced insight on the term "apocalypse" in the [[The Destiny]]. Believing it a significant find, I expounded on it with several examples, noting that [[oracle]]s appear to be willing heralds to both sides, whereas [[Hybrid]]s are opposite. Take a look when you have a moment and adjust as you see fit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:33, 1 December 2007 (CST)
* Thanks. I wrote a bunch more (with speculation) at [http://ideas.4brad.com/cylon-god-and-his-prophecy this blog post] but I think right now the role of Hybrids and Oracles in prophecy is mostly speculation. In particular, I think the first hybrid is on no side (being both man and machine) and is in fact an incarnation of the Cylon god. But we'll see. What is factual is the ambiguous (or commonly misinterpreted) meanings of apocalypse, harbinger and "its end." I do think that the title of an upcoming episode being "revelations" is important. --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 14:26, 1 December 2007 (CST)

== E-mail conversation about [[The Last Supper]] ==

Do you still have those e-mails? Would you (and Ryan, of course) agree to them (or an excerpt of them) being put in [[Sources:The Last Supper]]? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I do have the E-mail, it was just yesterday. She said she has mailed to Moore to get him to clarify, but he is on vacation, and she will publish her result, so I was holding for that, however, I felt the report from her that he did not say what she put in brackets was worth documenting as a temporary measure. --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 17:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
::OK, we can just source her when she publishes it then. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 19:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Rollback of [[Galen Tyrol]] ==
It's been awhile since I watched that episode, but I don't recall that happening. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Your "made-up back-story" ==

*Just out of curiosity. When are you going to update your "A made-up back-story for Battlestar Galactica..." on your website with the info that was revealed in "No Exit"?

With Jane Espenson's latest comments that imply there is no real Earth (ie. that as far as she is concerned Kobol is the human homeworld in this universe) it seems the writers are not going in that direction, and I guessed wrong. So I may never do that unless we get some alternate clues that say she's lying. Right now it looks like the show takes place not in the future and not in the past, but in another reality. Now, some of the ideas might turn out to be true as to why there were AI wars on Kobol and Cylon Earth, but I don't even know if the show is going to explain that at all. The Kobol story is going to be left to other media like comics, it sounds like.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 01:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Battlestar Galactica: The Final Five ==

*Just curious. Have you checked out the comic book miniseries? --- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 22:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I know it's supposed to be some form of canon, but a lot of it doesn't fit. Sam being a drifter killed for experimentation doesn't feel right, he was supposed to have been a major rock star, author of All Along the Watchtower, and an essential part of the team (Ellen said it needed all 5 to recover the resurrection plan.) Ditto Saul having almost no involvement in the tech. In the show they were a team with deep feelings and emotions.

I was glad to see some suggestion that centurion memories got into the human Cylons, at least Cavil. it's not clear if they made it into anybody else, though. Does Cavil remember being Zoe or Tamara?

The small number of generations shown also doesn't make sense. They built all of Earth-1 in just a generation? Perhaps with metal robot labour. We were told they had lost resurrection and switched to sexual reproduction, but that was just once?

Pythia as Starbuck? I didn't like Starbuck's fate so I don't like this either. And if the angel always shows up as Helfer in a red dress, where did they get the DNA for six from?--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 23:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hero

2009-05-03T22:40:35Z

Bradtem: /* Cylons */ Adama didn't cause war

: ''For the two [[humanoid Cylon]]s that are hailed as heroes in "[[Downloaded]]", see [[Heroes of the Cylon]].''
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== Overview ==
:''A [[Daniel Novacek|figure]] from [[William Adama|Adama]]'s past returns to haunt him. His return raises questions about why the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] launched their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|initial attack]] against the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].''

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ===

* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' detects three [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]. Much to the surpise of the [[CIC]] crew, two Raiders are pursuing a third Raider, damaged by Cylon gunfire. [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] are dispatched. After destroying the pursuing Raiders, they go after the third.
* In CIC, [[Admiral Adama]] orders Kat and Starbuck to escort the Raider to ''Galactica'', after hearing, from the Raider, a familiar human voice and callsign: [[Bulldog]].
* In the hangar bay, the party are surprised that a human has exited the Raider. A visibly weak Daniel Novacek salutes Adama; Adama returns the gesture.
* In sickbay, Cottle states that Bulldog's DNA signature matches his military records, concluding that he is not a Cylon. Admiral Adama relays this information the [[Laura Roslin|President]], who asks to meet him.
* Over a meal of noodles Adama asks Novacek how he escaped. He relates a story of plague on the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and escaping after killing a [[Number Three]] with a blow to the nose delivered through the cell bars. He mentions that the Cylons complained of an infectious illness at the time, believing this offered him the chance to escape.
* Bulldog is debriefed by the President with Adama present, where they tell a (decidedly shaky) story of a Tauron mining facility too close to the Armistice Line. Skeptical, Roslin immediately questions Adama's story following the debriefing. He replies that it is "his mess" and that he resolve it. Once she leaves, Adama kicks over a table in frustration.
* Novacek sees [[Saul Tigh]] in his quarters shortly after Adama talks to him. Tigh informs Novacek that Adama (aboard the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'') ordered Novacek shot down to get rid of evidence of their incursion into Cylon space.
*Meanwhile, Adama makes a similar confession to his son, [[Lee Adama|Lee]], stating his belief that he provoked the Cylon attacks on the Colonies. By presenting humanity as warmongers, he may have left the Cylons with no choice but to strike first. Aghast at first, Lee Adama tries to console his father, blaming the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet Admiralty]], saying that he was "only one man." Adama replies, "It only takes one."
* [[Kara Thrace]] reviews their Viper's gun film from the fight with the Cylon Raiders and realizes that the Cylons were deliberately missing their target, allowing Bulldog escape. She goes to Saul Tigh with this information, who deduces that Bulldog was sent there by the Cylons to kill the admiral.
* Tigh finds Novacek attempting to murder Adama (mixed with flashbacks of Bulldog let out of his cell) and stops him.
* Adama later presents his resignation to Roslin. Bemused, she accuses him of naivete, and points out that the Admiralty may have been trying to provoke a war with the Commander as scapegoat. Nor can he say with confidence that any one act triggered the Cylon holocaust. She then tells him that his 'penance' will be to accept a [[Medal of Distinction]] for his long years of service, a gesture badly needed for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's morale]].
* After sending Novacek off to a berthing on another ship with a uniform, Tigh (now wearing an eyepatch instead of medical gauze) and Adama sit down for a drink in the admiral's quarters to discuss [[Ellen Tigh]]'s death on [[New Caprica]].

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===
*In a dream, [[Three]] is trying to avoid Marines on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. The Marines corner her against a hatch labelled "End of Line." The Marines raise their weapons and Three tells them to shoot.
*As the shots go off, Three wakes up in bed with [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]]. She has apparently been having a sexual relationship with Baltar and possibly Six as well.
*In the Cylon control room, Caprica-Six questions Three about her bad dreams. Caprica Six asks if the dreams are about Baltar. Three indicates otherwise, but does not elaborate.
*Three gives a [[Cylon Centurion]] orders to shoot her, and then delete any information regarding the incident. The Centurion obeys and shoots her in the head. In the moments before she is downloaded, she experiences memories from New Caprica and a startling vision of [[Final Five|five white-robed beings]] whose identity is obscured.
*Three awakes in a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]] where a Three, Five, Six, and Eight help her recover. The downloaded Three tells her counterpart, "There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death."

== Notes ==

=== General ===

*This episode shares some plot elements with the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode "[[MemoryAlpha:The Defector|The Defector]]," written by Moore. Notably, it begins with a dramatic chase delivering a dubious ally into friendly hands that is later shown to be staged. Additionally, both episodes feature plots revolving around a contested border.
*Novacek's capture was loosely inspired by the [[w:U-2 Crisis of 1960|U-2 Crisis of 1960]] in which [[w:Francis Powers|Francis Powers]] was shot down by the Soviets in his [[w:Lockheed U-2|U2 spy plane]].<ref>{{cite companion|page=56|season=3}}</ref>
*Laura Roslin reviews a [[:md:Image:Dossier.png |dossier]] prepared for her by [[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] on her [[Miniseries, Night 1|first day]] aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. It includes large photos of ''Galactica'', a photograph of the CIC crew of ''[[Valkyrie]]'', a (mostly illegible) certificate bearing [[Saul Tigh]]'s name, and a cursory biography of William Adama. This biographical information has been integrated into [[William Adama]] article. Also, an analysis of Colonial dates used in the dossier can be found in the [[Colonial calendar]] article.
*Admiral William Adama names his son to succeed him as commander of ''Galactica'' in his [[:md:Image:3x8-Hero-ResignationLetter.jpg|resignation letter]], given that Lee Adama commanded ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''.
*Both [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] appear in this episode, but neither has any lines.

=== Pre-Holocaust ===

*In Adama's flashback, the admirals are wearing their decorations on their day uniforms. This contrasts with most Colonial Fleet officers shown thus far, who only wear their decorations on their dress uniform sash.
*Admiral Corman's office is decorated with weapons and war memorabilia. Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]]'s quarters were similarly decorated. Both individuals seemed ready, almost eager, for a conflict.
*A [[Continuity errors (RDM)|continuity error]] in the flashback to the ''Valkyrie'' CIC has Adama wearing admiral's insignia on his uniform.

=== Cylons ===

*In her vision of the Opera house, Three briefly glimpses five white figures. In his Podcast for this episode, Moore implies that these correspond to the final five Cylon models.<ref name="podcast">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero| act = 3 | id =fivecylons| timestamp = 00:30:51 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref>
*In Number Three's dream, the door at which she is shot by the Marines is labeled "End of Line". As well as being a metaphor for death, this is a statement repeated often by the Cylon [[Hybrid]]. "End of Line" is a also a reference to the movie [[w:Tron (film)|''Tron'']] <ref name="podcast2">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero| act = 1 | id =endofline| timestamp = 00:16:56 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref> and could also be a computer/programming reference.

=== Production ===

*Adama jokingly chides Novacek for his "bullshit attitude". The line was cut in the broadcast of the episode on the [[Sci Fi Channel]] in America, however in the release of the video on [[iTunes]], in the Canadian broadcast on the [[w:Space: The Imagination Station|SPACE channel]] and in the UK and Ireland broadcast on [[Sky One]], the line was included.
*For the episode, [[Bear McCreary]] created a musical theme for Novacek, called "[[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)#Novacek theme|Novacek's Theme]]", which was "very much inspired by [[w:Alfred Hitchcock|Hitchcock]]'s collaborations with composer [[w:Bernard Herrmann|Bernard Herrmann]]". <ref name="bear_mccreary">{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=75|title="Hero"|date=17 November 2006|accessdate=25 November 2006|last=McCreary|first=Bear|format=blog|language=English}}</ref>

== Analysis ==

=== General ===

*Dialogue in this episode consistently places the events of the Stealthstar mission three years prior to the present and one year prior to the [[Cylon attack]]. However, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama, Felix Gaeta, Galen Tyrol, Kara Thrace and Sharon Valerii served together on ''Galactica'':
** Gaeta: "And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years." ([[Miniseries]])
** Tyrol: "Sir, on behalf of Deck Crew Five I'd like to present a token of our esteem and appreciation for the many years you've served as commanding officer of this ship." (Miniseries)
** Adama: "We [Thrace and I] talked about a lot of things. We've been aboard this ship for over two years, we know each other very well." ([[Act of Contrition]])
** Adama: "Chief Tyrol's been under my command for over five years" ([[Litmus]])
** Adama: "She [Boomer] was a vital, living person… aboard my ship for almost two years." ([[The Farm]])
** Tigh: "I think there's part of you that looks into [[Sharon Agathon|that thing]]'s eyes and still sees that [[Sharon Valerii|young girl]] that reported aboard two years ago as a [[rook]] pilot. Well, it's not. It never was. Bill, it's a ''machine''." ([[Sacrifice]])
:Since it is not specified which ships Tyrol and Gaeta served with Adama on, it is theoretically possible that they followed Adama from ''Valkyrie'' to ''Galactica'' as well. This scenario is highly unrealistic, however, and still conflicts with the statements that Thrace and Valerii served with Adama ''on Galactica'' for two years. [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his taking command of ''Galactica'' at '''six''' years prior to the Cylon attack (or eight years prior to the episode). While such documents are frequently unreliable and inconsistent, this fits with the above comments and with Tyrol's statement in the Miniseries that Adama commanded the battlestar for "many years". ''Battlestar Wiki'' thus chooses to consider the dialogue in "Hero" a [[Continuity errors (RDM)|continuity error]] and to place the flashback events at six years before the Miniseries. (''See David Eick comments in [[Hero#Official Statements|Official Statements]] for rebuttal.'')
*''Valkyrie'' appears to be an intermediate step between the ''Galactica'' and ''Mercury'' battlestar designs. In addition, it seems to be slightly smaller than either; this may mean that it is a "light" or "fast" battlestar type designed to support larger vessels.
*The last two scenes of "Hero" seem to have been edited to ensure that the final scene is with Adama and Tigh. Right after the celebration scene, Adama is seen giving Bulldog a new uniform, but Adama is wearing his everyday uniform. In the final scene with Tigh, Adama is wearing his dress grays from the celebration. It appears at the very least, the two scenes were in reverse order, meaning the episode originally ended with Adama giving Bulldog his new uniform.
*There is at least [[Stoffa|one other doctor]] of some kind in the fleet, because Cottle instructs Bulldog to report to him.
**This doctor is probably a psychotherapist that specializes in some sort of mental trauma issues. Considering that Bulldog was in captivity for such a long time, and his breakdown while attacking Adama, at the very least, Bulldog will need a counselor to help him work through all of the emotional and mental scars that he's endured. Cottle had already confirmed that Bulldog was generally well cared for, physically, by the Cylons.

=== Characters ===

*Adama and Roslin know each other well enough by now to tell when the other is lying even when others around can't. Roslin has always been the better of the two in this ability, as early as revealing Adama's initial ruse about the location of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Miniseries]]).
*At the end of the episode, [[Saul Tigh]] is trying to deal with his guilt over his wife, but he does not seem to want his job as XO back, at least not any time soon.
*Adama's feelings of guilt over his actions during ''Valkyrie's'' mission shed new light on the motivation for his speech at ''Galactica's'' decommissioning ceremony. Also, they explain his near-monomania with safeguarding and/or rescuing those under his command or protection.
*Kara Thrace going to Tigh with her findings is an acknowledgment of their shared semi-pariah status and the connection that was shown in "[[Collaborators]]" for the first time.

=== Cylons ===

*The Cylons are able to detect and destroy the [[Stealthstar]] that had only entered two kilometers into their space. This seems suspicious given the fact that they were unable to detect the [[Blackbird]], presumably a far less sophisticated design. Either the Cylons had more advanced detection equipment on the [[Armistice Line]], or they had advance knowledge of Bulldog's mission. The latter may have been a result of [[Caprica-Six]]'s work with Baltar, if the timelines line up (meaning if Six had gotten the access to the Defense mainframe before Novacek's mission).
**Given that the Stealthstar was built by an aerospace company, it can safely be assumed to be more sophisticated. However, it is only speculation that the Blackbird's stealth capabilities were less effective overall. While the Blackbird's hull is known to be made from carbon composites, the Stealthstar's technology is unknown.
**In addition, the Cylons near the Armistice Line would have known to look for stealth ships, as they probably suspected that the Colonial Fleet would try to gain intelligence on the Cylon military status. After the destruction of the Colonies, it is unlikely that the Cylons believed that the Colonials were still in possession of any kind of stealth fighter and would not attempt to detect one.
**Bulldog was communicating to ''Valkyrie'' before being attacked and used active DRADIS. Additionally, the Stealthstar seems to have been equipped with a transponder, as ''Valkyrie'' was able to track the Stealthstar. The Cylons may have been able to detect this radiation and fire at the source of it.
**It also bears noting that, unlike the Stealthstar, the principal designer of the Blackbird was a Cylon. Although his true memories were blocked by Cavil, presumably Chief Tyrol has detailed knowledge of Cylon technology somewhere in his subconscious.
*Bulldog's story is even less believable given the fact that it took Kara Thrace several hours to gut a [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] and learn how to fly it. The Raider Kara captured was damaged, but it would still have taken Bulldog some time to adapt the Raider for his own use.
**As the episode implies that Bulldog was deliberately released by the Cylons in an effort to direct his anger towards Adama, it is possible that the Cylons allowed Bulldog to gain a working knowledge of the Raider.
*Bulldog probably could have stolen a Heavy Raider, which unlike the light versions seems to have a crew compartment and perhaps piloting controls, but then the production crew couldn't have re-used the captured-Raider prop from "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]" on the flight deck set.
*During her experience between death and rebirth, Three finds herself reliving a series of memories from her various lives, including a shot of her in a theater on Caprica in "[[Final Cut]]", her final moments during "[[Downloaded]]", and her discovery of Hera on New Caprica in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". She also has a vision of another kind: the [[Opera House]] seen by Baltar during the final moments of "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
**This sequence, as well as this episode as a whole, showcases a number of fundamental leitmotifs in the series that have had little to no exposure in their original form since the end of season one/beginning of season two. The music as well as the imagery is a deliberately callback to the previous appearance of the Opera House, and the associated [[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)#Passacaglia|musical themes]] will likely help elucidate the symbolism behind the two visions.
*Three's flashbacks after being shot by the Centurion indicate that she is the same individual who was killed on Caprica by [[Caprica-Six]] in "[[Downloaded]]" and who found Hera in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". It is of course possible that some of these recollections are the result of memory-sharing rather than direct experience.
**If she is the same Three that died on Caprica, that leaves the question of how it can be that she didn't receive the Opera House experience on her first death, even though she was stuck in limbo for thirty-six hours because of the massive casualties at the cafe in "[[Downloaded]]". It is plausible that this Three wanted to die because she had never experienced death before.
**It is interesting to note the central role Hera plays in both Three's vision and the one [[Gaius Baltar]] has in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
*Based on the Raider's apparently staged attack, the Cylons appear to know the current location of the Fleet.
*Later revelations about the origins of the humanoid Cylons and Saul Tigh suggest it is extremely unlikely that Adama's actions sparked the war. [[John Cavil]] had long been covertly active in colonial society, having placed his creators there, and was keeping watch on Tigh and the others. As such the Cylons were routinely crossing the armistice lines at this point.

== Questions ==
*Did Bulldog know of or see other human prisoners during his captivity?
*What class of battlestar does ''[[Valkyrie]]'' belong to?
*Why would a "stealth ship" in enemy territory break radio silence and use active [[DRADIS]]?
*How was ''Valkyrie'' able to track, target and engage a stealth ship?
*Was ''Valkyrie's'' mission the only one the admiralty undertook or were there others?
*Is [[Laura Roslin]] right in speculating that the admiralty might have sent ''Valkyrie'' in order to provoke a war?
*What was the "unknown" craft that jumped near Stealthstar, disabled it, and then jumped away? Whose was it? Where did it come from?
*Who are the five white-robed figures [[Three]] sees in her vision before downloading? ([[Final Five#Four Revealed, and their nature|Answer]])
*Does Bulldog have information regarding the five remaining humanoid Cylon models of which nothing is known?
*How did Baltar's status change from torture victim in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" to an apparent sexual relationship with [[Caprica-Six]] and Number Three?
*Was Adama's whole command staff transferred from ''Valkyrie ''to ''Galactica'' after the failure of the recon mission?
*Why does Number Three go through all the trouble to program the Centurion to erase its memory once it shot her? Is she afraid of being [[boxing|boxed]] by the other Cylons for reasons of insanity, or because it would do some sort of damage on the Centurion once its processed the kill? ([[Rapture|Answer]])
*How does Bulldog find the Fleet? ([[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#Hero|Answer]])
*Why does Bulldog feel betrayed by Adama? When he went on the Stealthstar mission, did he not understand that flying past the Armistice Line would be seen as an act of war? Why was it not already clear to him that ''Valkyrie'' might have to shoot him down if anything went wrong? ([[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#Hero|Partial answer]])

== Official Statements ==
*A video blog gives an insight to this episode during filming. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=34824|title=Introducing Bulldog|date=2006-10-11|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=VID|language=}}</ref>
*''[[Bear McCreary]] discusses writing "Noavcek's Theme" on his web blog: ''
: In general, I only write thematic material for characters who matter in the grand scheme of the series, in hopes that the character will return at a later point in the story. In rare cases I make an exception in order to give a guest star a particularly resonant musical voice. For example, [[Bill Duke]]'s [[Phelan]] from [[Season 2 (2005-06)|season two]]'s "[[Black Market]]" required his own theme, since all the events of the episode led up to his eventual stand-off with [[Lee Adama|Lee]].

:"Hero" was obviously another such case. Novacek's mysterious past drives nearly every scene in the entire show, and it was clear he required his own theme as well.<ref name="bear_mccreary"/>
* ''David Eick defends the continuity errors insinuated by this episode:''
: When you watch the miniseries there is this natural assumption that the old commander has been on this ship [''Galactica''] the whole time — but that's never actually stated anywhere in the series. We actually did check it, and there was nothing in the show's continuity that makes events in "Hero" inconsistent. We also all really liked the idea that Adama had been assigned to the ''Galactica'' as a punishment, which is why we did it."<ref>{{cite companion|page=56|season=3}}</ref>

===Information from the [[David Eick]] audio commentary ===

:'''Note:''' This audio commentary is available on the Region 1 [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 1 DVD)|Season 3 DVD]] set.

*Eick considers "Hero" the most difficult episode he has written yet, because it is a standalone between several arc-heavy episodes, but he enjoyed the challenge of it.
*[[Daniel Novacek]]'s name is a reference to Dallas Cowboys football player [[w:Jay Novacek|Jay Novacek]].
*He says that he would like steam rising from ships coming into the hangar deck, because they were just in space, and laments that there isn't enough time for that during production.
*He and [[Michael Rymer]] spent a lot of time talking about how long Novacek's hair should be after his long captivity.
*[[Carl Lumbly]] originally developed a specific accent for his character, but it was dropped because it was very hard to understand.
*He doesn't think the friendship between Adama and Novacek becomes clear enough. In part, because it was difficult to convey in the short time, in part because scenes between them were cut.
*Tigh testing his peripheral vision was inspired by a similar scene from ''[[w:Rocky II|Rocky II]]''.
*He compares the incident at the Armistice Line to the [[w:Cuban Missile Crisis|Cuban Missile Crisis]] and the [[w:Gulf of Tonkin Incident|Gulf of Tonkin Incident]] as an excuse some people need to go to war.
*He thinks that the episode makes it clear that Adama's feelings of guilt are irrational and absurd and is worried that one wouldn't get that.
*Eick thinks a proposed scene of Adama confronting the admiralty about having been set up would have given the episode more weight.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Speaking to another Number Three after downloading:''
:'''Number Three''': There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death.

*''Bulldog calls on Saul Tigh in his quarters:
:'''Tigh''': So ... drink?
:'''Bulldog''': You have no idea!
:'''Tigh''' (scowling, unseen): Yes, I do.

*''Bulldog explains to Adama how he got off the Cylon baseship:''
:'''Bulldog''': Well sir, it's like this. The enemy had me locked in a cell for three years. The accommodations were lousy, the service was slow. And, after a while, I felt the institution had nothing left to offer me, so I left.

*''Colonel Tigh speaks to Bulldog in Adama's quarters:
:'''Tigh''': Tell you a dirty little secret: The toughest part of getting played is losing your dignity. Feeling like you are not worth the oxygen you are sucking down. You get used to it. You start to believe it. You start to love it. It's like a bottle that never runs dry. You can keep reaching for it over and over and over again.

*''Colonel Tigh calls on the Admiral at the end of the episode:
:'''Tigh''': I hear you got a medal.
:'''Adama''': Yeah. They're handing them out for anything these days: "good behavior", "attendance". "Plays well with others."

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Barry Kennedy]] as Admiral [[Peter Corman]]
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (Credit only)

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Hera Agathon

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:''For information on the Lord of Kobol of the same name, see [[Hera, Lord of Kobol]].''
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'''Hera Agathon''' is the first successful Human/[[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon]] hybrid, the culmination of the Cylons' experiments to achieve viable procreation. Being the only known successful progeny of a humanoid Cylon; the Cylons literally consider her a "miracle from God".

==History==
===Conception===
Her parents are the human [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] and the Cylon [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon "Athena" Agathon]]; both officers of the Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

Sharon; who at the time was posing as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], was dispatched by her comrades to take part in a Cylon experiment; involving setting up Karl to fall in love with and impregnate her.

Previous and other current attempts to create hybrids; most especially the forced cross-breeding experiments in the Cylon [[Farms]] met with complete failure, thus making the experiment necessary. The Cylons theorized that the key element to procreation they were missing was true love (itself an important element to Cylons, because they believe that "[[God (RDM)|God]] is love").

Some time after the experiment began; Karl and Sharon finally conceived their daughter in a night of passionate sex, following Karl's "rescue" of Sharon (really a deceitful test by the Cylons to test his love for Sharon; which he passed). Immediately following her success, Sharon is ordered to convince Karl to stay in "hiding" on Caprica. Unfortunately, however, Sharon, by this time, had really fallen in love with Karl. To this end, Sharon began helping him to escape the Cylons; her love for Karl and their unborn child eventually leading her to switch her allegiance over to the Colonials.

[[Kara Thrace]] (who arrived earlier on Caprica to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]]) leaves with Caprica-Valerii and Agathon in a captured [[Heavy Raider]]. Caprica-Valerii is incarcerated in ''Galactica's'' [[brig]] for the next few months, as her pregnancy continues to advance.

===Birth===
Agathon is born by emergency surgery one month premature. President [[Laura Roslin]] arranges with Doctor [[Cottle]]—and without Admiral [[William Adama]]'s involvement—to fake Agathon's death and secretly gives the child to a woman named [[Maya]] under the guise that the child is the daughter of a ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officer. The subterfuge, Roslin presumes, is necessary to keep Agathon safe from humanoid Cylons that may be hiding in the Fleet ([[Downloaded]]) <ref>In a deleted subplot from "[[Downloaded]]", [[Gina]] and [[D'Anna Biers]] scheme to kidnap Agathon at [[Gaius Baltar]]'s request. Gina expresses disgust at Agathon being named for a [[Hera, Lord of Kobol|human god]]. When D'Anna asks Gina what they should call the baby, Gina suggests "Thirteen".</ref>. Maya, unaware of her new child's past, names the girl Isis ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

[[Image:Baby_Hera.jpg|right|thumb|Hera Agathon as an infant, in the care of [[Maya]].]]
[[Gaius Baltar]]'s [[Virtual beings|virtual Number Six]] tells him he will someday raise this child, told to him in a vision he had while trapped on the planet [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. However, unaware of what President Roslin has done, Baltar, like the rest of the people who knew about her, believes Agathon to be dead.

When the Fleet settles on [[New Caprica]] under the rule of newly-elected President Baltar, Roslin begins teaching at a settlement elementary school with Maya. Roslin keeps Agathon and Maya close for observation in a cradle identical to the one Baltar saw in his vision.

Before the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Roslin hides Maya and Agathon in the [[New Caprica Resistance|resistance's]] underground bunker. She then takss [[Samuel Anders]] to have two of his best men protect them at all costs, and later make sure they get off the planet. ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

===Time with the Cylons===
In actuality, however, during the civilian evacuation, Maya is killed and Hera left behind. Later, when it is confirmed neither escaped with the Fleet, Roslin assumes Hera died on New Caprica. In actuality, however, Hera was found and rescued by President Baltar, [[Caprica-Six]], and [[Number Three]], and brought aboard a a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] ([[Exodus, Part II]]). She remains in the care of the Cylons, who are happy to welcome her.

Later, Hera begins to fall ill, and none of the Cylon physicians (who have no pediatric experience) understand why.

===Return===
Karl and Sharon finally learn of Roslin's duplicity when Adama reveals the truth (after learning it from Boomer and confronting Roslin with the knowledge). Naturally, Karl and Sharon take it hard, and immediately Sharon desires to see her. Later, she compels her extremely-reluctant husband to shoot her dead, so she can [[Resurrection (RDM)|download]] to the Cylon ships. Later, Adama is convinced by Karl that Sharon will not be captured and forced to convey information on her mission, and when Roslin objects, Karl coldly reminds her if she hadn't lied and stolen Hera from them; the situation would never have developed, and so Roslin immediately capitulates.

Upon downloading, the sympathetic Caprica-Six brings Sharon to Hera, believing her story of how the humans wouldn't let her see her daughter and so felt it was the only way. Hera immediately recognised her mother (despite Boomer being in the same room) and Sharon tearfully reunited with her.

Sharon, through her Colonial training and maternal instinct, realizes that only Colonial medical care can save Hera Agathon, who appears to be suffering from an intestinal blockage. She persuades Caprica-Six to help her escape back to ''Galactica'' with Hera ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Rapture]]").

Agathon appears in several visions seen by Caprica-Six, Laura Roslin, and Sharon as the Fleet approaches the [[Ionian Nebula]]. In each vision, the three adults are compelled to save the child for motives not explained ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

Two months later, after returning from the ''[[Demetrius]]'' mission with a [[Cylon Civil War|rebel Cylon basestar]], Sharon discovers that Agathon has a fixation with [[Number Six]], seeing that Hera's various crayon drawings of both the number itself and various depictions of Six, including one that looks like the [[Virtual Six]] in the red dress. Agathon then leaves after this discovery, leaving her mother to frantically search around ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> corridors for her. After Sharon sees Natalie with Agathon, she has [[Galen Tyrol]] take Agathon away before mortally wounding Natalie ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]). As a result of this action, Agathon is briefly taken away from her mother, herself incarcerated in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> brig by Admiral Adama, but he reverses that decision days later ([[Sine Qua Non]]).

===Return to the Cylons, rescue and ultimate destiny===
Hera remains in the care of her parents, and soon it becomes apparant that she is a critical part of solving the mysteries of the Final Five's history and mankind's destiny. The Agathon family's tranquility is shattered when Boomer, having pretended to defect to the Colonials with Ellen Tigh, executed her mission to capture Hera and bring her to John Cavil. To this end, Boomer knocks out Sharon, seduces and has sex with Karl (in front of a bound Sharon) and picks up Hera from the ship's daycare, and drugs the child and places her in a supply crate on her Raptor. Boomer is able to escape, as Adama cannot have her shot down without risk to Hera ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]).

Hera immediately misses her parents, and Boomer was near forcefully sedating her to keep her quiet, but calms down, and instead calms her with her projection ability (which Hera is discovered to share). Hera is brought to [[The Colony]] and handed over to Cavil ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]). Cavil reveals to Boomer, who was reluctant to leave Hera (and vice-versa), that he plans to dissect and study her to discover the secret of her creation and use it to allow the Cylons to have hybrid children on their own and save their species.

Meanwhile, on Galactica, Karl and Sharon are devastated by their child's loss, with Sharon inconsolable and assuming Hera has already been dissected and killed by Cavil, but Karl, becoming increasingly unstable, still holds a shred of hope for seeing her again.

With Galactica dying, Adama assembles the crew for the ship's final mission; rescue Hera from Cavil ([[Daybreak, Part I]]).

Boomer ultimately decides to kill the Simon operating on Hera and return her to her parents, who have boarded the Colony. Boomer is then killed by Athena. Starbuck, Apollo, Helo, and Athena return to ''Galactica'' with Hera, but lose track of her during the firefight with an enemy Cylon boarding party. Hera is sheltered by Roslin, and then by Caprica-Six and Baltar, who take her into [[CIC#Galactica|CIC]] and protect her from Cavil, fulfilling the [[Opera House Prophecy]].

Hera is among the survivors that settle on the [[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|new Earth]], where she will live an agrarian and hunter/gatherer lifestyle with her parents in an area known later as Tanzania. She dies while a young woman. Her fossilized remains are discovered in 150,000 years and identified as the "[[w:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]]", most recent common ancestress (when only purely female lines of descent are considered) of all living humans, by archaeologists from the Smithsonian Institute in Washington ([[Daybreak, Part II]]).

==Notes==
*The series' producers have noted, in a ''TV Guide'' interview, that this character will not "hyperage", that is, suddenly become much older than series-elapsed time (see the talk page of this article for more information).
*If Hera really is Mitochondrial Eve, then that would imply that all present-day human mitochondria are descended from her, and thus, her mother, a Cylon. So that would mean we all have Cylon mitochondria, though in reality, human mitochondria closely match those of apes and all other Earth life. This is also presumably true in the Battlestar universe, otherwise a difference would have caused major scientific and religious upheaval.

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Hera Agathon

2009-05-02T23:41:12Z

Bradtem: /* Return to the Cylons, rescue and ultimate destiny */ correct about MT Eve

:''For information on the Lord of Kobol of the same name, see [[Hera, Lord of Kobol]].''
{{Character Data
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|caption=Alexandra Thomas as Hera.
|photo 2=Hera Agathon.jpg
|caption 2=Lily Duong-Walton as Hera.
|age= 3 Years Old<br/>Born [[Timeline (RDM) #Downloaded|9 months after]] the Cylon Attack ([[Downloaded]])
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|birthname= Hera Agathon
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|death= Unknown cause as a relatively young mother in Tanzania, c. 148,000 BCE
|parents= [[Sharon Agathon]] (biological mother)<br>[[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] (biological father)<br>[[Maya]] (adoptive mother)†
|siblings=
|children=At least one daughter;<br>All modern humans are her matrilineal decendants
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|role= "Lead the next generation of God's children"
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|actor= [[Lily Duong-Walton]],<br/>[[Alexandra Thomas]] (older Hera)<br>[[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] (older Hera)
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|name= Hera Agathon;<br>Isis to [[Maya|adoptive mother]];<br>[[w:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] to modern scientists
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'''Hera Agathon''' is the first successful Human/[[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon]] hybrid, the culmination of the Cylons' experiments to achieve viable procreation. Being the only known successful progeny of a humanoid Cylon; the Cylons literally consider her a "miracle from God".

==History==
===Conception===
Her parents are the human [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] and the Cylon [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon "Athena" Agathon]]; both officers of the Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

Sharon; who at the time was posing as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], was dispatched by her comrades to take part in a Cylon experiment; involving setting up Karl to fall in love with and impregnate her.

Previous and other current attempts to create hybrids; most especially the forced cross-breeding experiments in the Cylon [[Farms]] met with complete failure, thus making the experiment necessary. The Cylons theorized that the key element to procreation they were missing was true love (itself an important element to Cylons, because they believe that "[[God (RDM)|God]] is love").

Some time after the experiment began; Karl and Sharon finally conceived their daughter in a night of passionate sex, following Karl's "rescue" of Sharon (really a deceitful test by the Cylons to test his love for Sharon; which he passed). Immediately following her success, Sharon is ordered to convince Karl to stay in "hiding" on Caprica. Unfortunately, however, Sharon, by this time, had really fallen in love with Karl. To this end, Sharon began helping him to escape the Cylons; her love for Karl and their unborn child eventually leading her to switch her allegiance over to the Colonials.

[[Kara Thrace]] (who arrived earlier on Caprica to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]]) leaves with Caprica-Valerii and Agathon in a captured [[Heavy Raider]]. Caprica-Valerii is incarcerated in ''Galactica's'' [[brig]] for the next few months, as her pregnancy continues to advance.

===Birth===
Agathon is born by emergency surgery one month premature. President [[Laura Roslin]] arranges with Doctor [[Cottle]]—and without Admiral [[William Adama]]'s involvement—to fake Agathon's death and secretly gives the child to a woman named [[Maya]] under the guise that the child is the daughter of a ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officer. The subterfuge, Roslin presumes, is necessary to keep Agathon safe from humanoid Cylons that may be hiding in the Fleet ([[Downloaded]]) <ref>In a deleted subplot from "[[Downloaded]]", [[Gina]] and [[D'Anna Biers]] scheme to kidnap Agathon at [[Gaius Baltar]]'s request. Gina expresses disgust at Agathon being named for a [[Hera, Lord of Kobol|human god]]. When D'Anna asks Gina what they should call the baby, Gina suggests "Thirteen".</ref>. Maya, unaware of her new child's past, names the girl Isis ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

[[Image:Baby_Hera.jpg|right|thumb|Hera Agathon as an infant, in the care of [[Maya]].]]
[[Gaius Baltar]]'s [[Virtual beings|virtual Number Six]] tells him he will someday raise this child, told to him in a vision he had while trapped on the planet [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. However, unaware of what President Roslin has done, Baltar, like the rest of the people who knew about her, believes Agathon to be dead.

When the Fleet settles on [[New Caprica]] under the rule of newly-elected President Baltar, Roslin begins teaching at a settlement elementary school with Maya. Roslin keeps Agathon and Maya close for observation in a cradle identical to the one Baltar saw in his vision.

Before the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Roslin hides Maya and Agathon in the [[New Caprica Resistance|resistance's]] underground bunker. She then takss [[Samuel Anders]] to have two of his best men protect them at all costs, and later make sure they get off the planet. ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

===Time with the Cylons===
In actuality, however, during the civilian evacuation, Maya is killed and Hera left behind. Later, when it is confirmed neither escaped with the Fleet, Roslin assumes Hera died on New Caprica. In actuality, however, Hera was found and rescued by President Baltar, [[Caprica-Six]], and [[Number Three]], and brought aboard a a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] ([[Exodus, Part II]]). She remains in the care of the Cylons, who are happy to welcome her.

Later, Hera begins to fall ill, and none of the Cylon physicians (who have no pediatric experience) understand why.

===Return===
Karl and Sharon finally learn of Roslin's duplicity when Adama reveals the truth (after learning it from Boomer and confronting Roslin with the knowledge). Naturally, Karl and Sharon take it hard, and immediately Sharon desires to see her. Later, she compels her extremely-reluctant husband to shoot her dead, so she can [[Resurrection (RDM)|download]] to the Cylon ships. Later, Adama is convinced by Karl that Sharon will not be captured and forced to convey information on her mission, and when Roslin objects, Karl coldly reminds her if she hadn't lied and stolen Hera from them; the situation would never have developed, and so Roslin immediately capitulates.

Upon downloading, the sympathetic Caprica-Six brings Sharon to Hera, believing her story of how the humans wouldn't let her see her daughter and so felt it was the only way. Hera immediately recognised her mother (despite Boomer being in the same room) and Sharon tearfully reunited with her.

Sharon, through her Colonial training and maternal instinct, realizes that only Colonial medical care can save Hera Agathon, who appears to be suffering from an intestinal blockage. She persuades Caprica-Six to help her escape back to ''Galactica'' with Hera ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Rapture]]").

Agathon appears in several visions seen by Caprica-Six, Laura Roslin, and Sharon as the Fleet approaches the [[Ionian Nebula]]. In each vision, the three adults are compelled to save the child for motives not explained ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

Two months later, after returning from the ''[[Demetrius]]'' mission with a [[Cylon Civil War|rebel Cylon basestar]], Sharon discovers that Agathon has a fixation with [[Number Six]], seeing that Hera's various crayon drawings of both the number itself and various depictions of Six, including one that looks like the [[Virtual Six]] in the red dress. Agathon then leaves after this discovery, leaving her mother to frantically search around ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> corridors for her. After Sharon sees Natalie with Agathon, she has [[Galen Tyrol]] take Agathon away before mortally wounding Natalie ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]). As a result of this action, Agathon is briefly taken away from her mother, herself incarcerated in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> brig by Admiral Adama, but he reverses that decision days later ([[Sine Qua Non]]).

===Return to the Cylons, rescue and ultimate destiny===
Hera remains in the care of her parents, and soon it becomes apparant that she is a critical part of solving the mysteries of the Final Five's history and mankind's destiny. The Agathon family's tranquility is shattered when Boomer, having pretended to defect to the Colonials with Ellen Tigh, executed her mission to capture Hera and bring her to John Cavil. To this end, Boomer knocks out Sharon, seduces and has sex with Karl (in front of a bound Sharon) and picks up Hera from the ship's daycare, and drugs the child and places her in a supply crate on her Raptor. Boomer is able to escape, as Adama cannot have her shot down without risk to Hera ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]).

Hera immediately misses her parents, and Boomer was near forcefully sedating her to keep her quiet, but calms down, and instead calms her with her projection ability (which Hera is discovered to share). Hera is brought to [[The Colony]] and handed over to Cavil ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]). Cavil reveals to Boomer, who was reluctant to leave Hera (and vice-versa), that he plans to dissect and study her to discover the secret of her creation and use it to allow the Cylons to have hybrid children on their own and save their species.

Meanwhile, on Galactica, Karl and Sharon are devastated by their child's loss, with Sharon inconsolable and assuming Hera has already been dissected and killed by Cavil, but Karl, becoming increasingly unstable, still holds a shred of hope for seeing her again.

With Galactica dying, Adama assembles the crew for the ship's final mission; rescue Hera from Cavil ([[Daybreak, Part I]]).

Boomer ultimately decides to kill the Simon operating on Hera and return her to her parents, who have boarded the Colony. Boomer is then killed by Athena. Starbuck, Apollo, Helo, and Athena return to ''Galactica'' with Hera, but lose track of her during the firefight with an enemy Cylon boarding party. Hera is sheltered by Roslin, and then by Caprica-Six and Baltar, who take her into [[CIC#Galactica|CIC]] and protect her from Cavil, fulfilling the [[Opera House Prophecy]].

Hera is among the survivors that settle on the [[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|new Earth]], where she will live an agrarian and hunter/gatherer lifestyle with her parents in an area known later as Tanzania. She dies while a young woman. Her fossilized remains are discovered in 150,000 years and identified as the "[[w:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]]", most recent common ancestress (when only purely female lines of descent are considered) of all living humans, by archaeologists from the Smithsonian Institute in Washington ([[Daybreak, Part II]]).

==Notes==
*The series' producers have noted, in a ''TV Guide'' interview, that this character will not "hyperage", that is, suddenly become much older than series-elapsed time (see the talk page of this article for more information).
*If Hera really is Mitochondrial Eve, then that would imply that all present-day human mitochondria are descended from her, and thus, her mother, a Cylon. So that would mean we all have Cylon mitochondria.

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Timeline - Season 4 (RDM)

2009-05-02T23:37:43Z

Bradtem: added references section

:''For the timeline overview see [[Timeline (RDM)]]. For the rest of the series see [[Timeline - Season 1 (RDM)]], [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]] and [[Timeline - Season 3 (RDM)]].''

== [[He That Believeth In Me]] ==
:''The episode continues directly from "[[Crossroads, Part II]]". More than two months have passed since Kara Thrace's believed death in "[[Maelstrom]]".''

*The Cylons inflict large damage on the civilian Fleet, but retreat after noticing that the [[Final Five]] have been activated.
*Kara Thrace returns, but is met with disbelief and distrust. Determined to lead the Colonials to Earth, she confronts Roslin with a weapon.
*A [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] has arisen around [[Gaius Baltar]].

==[[Six of One]]==
:''The episode continues directly from the previous one.''

*[[Tory Foster]] sleeps with Baltar in order to gain access to his knowledge about the Cylons and the Final Five.
*One faction of the Cylons lobotomizes the [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] for refusing to fight against the Final Five. In retaliation, another factions, one of them led by [[Natalie]], removes the Centurions' [[inhibitors]] who in turn kill the first faction.
*Kara Thrace is given command of the ''[[Demetrius]]'' to search for Earth.

==[[The Ties That Bind]]==
:''The first scene shows Number One [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrecting]] from his death in the previous episode. The bulk of the episode, however, takes place 21-22 days after "[[Six of One]]".''

* [[Cally Tyrol]] finds out that her husband is a Cylon and is killed by [[Tory Foster]].
* [[Lee Adama]] is making an impact in the political arena.
* The ''Demetrius'' is three weeks into its scouting mission.
* Natalie's faction is tricked by the Ones and lured into an ambush.

==[[Escape Velocity]]==
:''No definite markers exist, but the episode likely takes place soon after "[[The Ties That Bind]]", given that it opens with a memorial service for Cally Tyrol.''
* Violent clashes between Baltar's cult and other religious denominations cause a debate among the Quorum about the group's religious freedoms. They are eventually tolerated.
* [[Galen Tyrol]]'s grief over his wife impacts his job performance, causing a severe accident with a Raptor. After an argument with Admiral Adama, he is demoted.
* [[Saul Tigh]] tries to cope with being a Cylon by talking to [[Caprica Six]] and begins to see his [[Ellen Tigh|dead wife]] in her place.

==[[The Road Less Travelled]]==
:''The episode takes place 58 days into the ''Demetrius''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s mission, or 36 days after "[[The Ties That Bind]]"
*When the ''Demetrius'' is scheduled to return to ''Galactica'', it encounters a [[Heavy Raider]] with [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)‎|Leoben Conoy]] aboard, who proposes an alliance between the humans and his faction. Thrace decides to jump to his baseship, but her crew refuses and relieves her of command.
*On ''Galactica'', Tyrol despairs over the loss of his wife, confronts Baltar, but eventually makes up with him.

==[[Faith]]==
:''The episode continues directly from the previous one and the events take place over a timespan of 15 hours. In regards to the overall timeline, over three years have passed since the Cylon attack.''
*The standoff on the ''Demetrius'' is defused and Thrace, [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] and [[Jean Barolay|Barolay]] take Conoy to his basestar. There they meet with [[Natalie]], who takes them to the [[Hybrid]]. They eventually repair the ship's FTL drive and return to the ''Demetrius''.
*On ''Galactica'', [[Laura Roslin]] undergoes treatments against her cancer and socializes with [[Emily Kowalski‎]], another cancer patient.

==[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]==
:''The episode takes place shortly after the previous one.''
*After the ''Demetrius'' returns with the Cylon rebels and their basestar, Natalie requests the Colonials' help in un[[box]]ing the Threes and offers them the chance to destroy the Cylon [[Resurrection Hub]] in return.
* Gaeta's leg has to be amputated and he deals with the loss and pain.
* Both parties plan to double cross each other. The Colonials are not going to hand over the Final Five, once uncovered, and the Cylons plan to take hostages to force them to. However, Natalie has a change of heart after speaking to the Quorum and wants to call off their preparations.
* [[Sharon Agathon]], after having another vision of the [[Opera House]] fears that Natalie will take [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] from her, and shoots Natalie after she runs into the child.
* Laura Roslin visits the Hybrid on the baseship, but when it is reactivated, it jumps the ship away.

==[[Sine Qua Non]]==
:''The episode continues nearly directly from the previous one, takes place concurrently with the next episode, and ends shortly before the end of the next episode. During an interview, [[Tom Zarek]] states that it has been 5 years since the holocaust. However, this appears to be a considerable overestimate, since - judging from several other comments by characters and the time that passed between episodes - only about three and a half years have passed since the Miniseries.''

*With Roslin gone and Adama not wanting to acknowledge [[Tom Zarek]] as president, a leadership crisis erupts within the Fleet. [[Lee Adama]] and [[Romo Lampkin]] search for a suitable candidate to become interim president. The choice eventually falls on Lee Adama himself.
*Admiral Adama admits that he can't live without Roslin, and decides to risk waiting alone in a Raptor at a rendezvous point, while the Fleet jumps away. He temporarily puts Saul Tigh in command of ''Galactica'' and the Fleet.

==[[The Hub]]==
:''The episode continues directly from "Guess What's Coming To Dinner?", takes place concurrently with "Sine Qua Non", spans two days, and ends shortly after the end of "Sine Qua Non".''
* The alliance of Cylons and humans successfully destroys the [[Resurrection Hub]]. [[Number Three|D'Anna Biers]] is unboxed and demands to be returned to the Fleet before revealing anything that she knows.
*Roslin has visions of [[Elosha]] and hears [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s confession about his role in the downfall of humanity.
*''c. Day 1218'' - Boomer and Cavil inform Ellen of the Hub's destruction and demand her help in rebuilding it. Ellen tells them that she is unable to do it without Saul, Tory, Galen, and Sam. Cavil replies that he will mine her brain for the information if need be ([[No Exit]], this scene is "four months ago", fourteen months after Ellen's resurrection)
*After the mission, and after the main events of "Sine Qua Non", the basestar returns to the rendezvous point where Admiral Adama is waiting.

==[[Revelations]]==
:''The episode continues nearly directly from the previous one. When the Fleet arrives at Earth, Admiral Adama states that it had been three years (~1,095 days) since he promised to lead the them to a new home. He likely means "over three years".''

*[[D'Anna Biers]] forces [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] to reveal themselves as Cylons. The three are arrested, while [[Tory Foster]] secretly joins the Cylons.
*Kara Thrace investigates her [[Starbuck's Viper|Viper]] and discovers a signal that gives them a bearing to Earth.
*President Adama gives the Final Four a full amnesty and shares all information about Earth with the Cylons. Together they jump to the planet, but discover it be a nuclear wasteland.

==[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]==
:''The episode continues directly from the previous one.''

==[[The Face of the Enemy]]==

==[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]==

==[[The Oath]]==
:''This episode begins soon after the previous one.''

==[[Blood on the Scales]]==
:''This episode begins immediately after the previous one.''

==[[No Exit]]==
:''The main timeframe of this episode begins soon after the previous one, while the scenes with Ellen Tigh span a timeframe which begins soon after Ellen's death in [[Exodus, Part II]].''

:''c. Day 1336'' (these scenes are "two days ago")
*Cavil and Boomer inform Ellen that the Simons are getting ready to operate on her brain to extract her knowledge of resurrection technology.
*Ellen accuses Cavil of sadism, and tells Boomer of how he murdered the seventh model, the Daniels, because he thought Ellen was playing favorites.
*Boomer helps Ellen to escape from the basestar in the captured [[Raptor 702]].

:''c. Day 1338'' (Ellen's resurrection was "eighteen months ago")
*Dr. Cottle opens Sam Anders' skull to prepare him for brain surgery. Dr. [[Gerard]] will operate to remove the bullet from Anders' head.
*Anders wakes with his memories from the time before he was boxed by Cavil intact.
*Anders attempts to relay as much about the backstory of the Final Five to Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Tory Foster as possible before undergoing full surgery.
*Lee Adama and Laura Roslin decide that the new Quorum should be composed of ships' captains, because the people of the fleet are no longer truly divided on the basis of colony.
*Surgery to remove the bullet from Anders' brain is successful, but he is left comatose for unknown reasons.

==[[Deadlock]]==
:''This episode takes place soon after [[No Exit]], and roughly four months after [[Sine Qua Non]].''

==[[Someone to Watch Over Me]]==

==[[Islanded In a Stream of Stars]]==

==[[Daybreak, Part I|Daybreak, Parts I]][[Daybreak, Part II| & II]]==
*Hera Agathon is rescued from the Cylon [[The Colony|Colony]].
*The Cylon Colony is destroyed.
*Kara Thrace jumps the ''Galactica'' to [[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|a habitable planet]] already populated by primitive humans who naturally evolved there.
*The Colonial humans and their humanoid Cylon allies settle on the newly discovered planet to pursue a hunter/gatherer lifestyle and mix with the native pre-verbal tribal humans. The fleet, including ''Galactica'', is sent into the Sun. The rebel Basestar is given to the Centurions, who jump away to pursue their own destiny. Kara Thrace disappears, her task complete.
*The newly discovered world is named Earth, after the original planet settled by the Thirteenth Tribe of Kobol. Laura Roslin finally succumbs to her cancer while taking an aerial tour of the planet with William Adama in a Raptor.
*The fleet population is distributed into independent colonies in various continents and regions.
*Hera has at least two daughters, but dies while still a young woman in what will become Tanzania.
*150,000 years later, Earth is home to an advanced society that greatly resembles that of the Colonials, though without spaceflight, and is beginning to develop robots. Hera Agathon's remains have been discovered and identified as [[w:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]], most recent common ancestor strictly through female descent of all living humans on the new Earth.<ref>Contrary to what is read from the fictional National Geographic Article, mitochondrial Eve is not the "most recent common ancestor" of humanity. That person perhaps lived 90,000 years later, and virtually all breeding persons living more than 60,000 years before the present (of whom mitochondrial Eve is merely one) were common ancestors of all humanity.</ref>

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Timeline - Season 4 (RDM)

2009-05-02T23:35:02Z

Bradtem: /* Daybreak, Parts I & II */ correct and expand hera's fate, and mitochondrial Eve

:''For the timeline overview see [[Timeline (RDM)]]. For the rest of the series see [[Timeline - Season 1 (RDM)]], [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]] and [[Timeline - Season 3 (RDM)]].''

== [[He That Believeth In Me]] ==
:''The episode continues directly from "[[Crossroads, Part II]]". More than two months have passed since Kara Thrace's believed death in "[[Maelstrom]]".''

*The Cylons inflict large damage on the civilian Fleet, but retreat after noticing that the [[Final Five]] have been activated.
*Kara Thrace returns, but is met with disbelief and distrust. Determined to lead the Colonials to Earth, she confronts Roslin with a weapon.
*A [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] has arisen around [[Gaius Baltar]].

==[[Six of One]]==
:''The episode continues directly from the previous one.''

*[[Tory Foster]] sleeps with Baltar in order to gain access to his knowledge about the Cylons and the Final Five.
*One faction of the Cylons lobotomizes the [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] for refusing to fight against the Final Five. In retaliation, another factions, one of them led by [[Natalie]], removes the Centurions' [[inhibitors]] who in turn kill the first faction.
*Kara Thrace is given command of the ''[[Demetrius]]'' to search for Earth.

==[[The Ties That Bind]]==
:''The first scene shows Number One [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrecting]] from his death in the previous episode. The bulk of the episode, however, takes place 21-22 days after "[[Six of One]]".''

* [[Cally Tyrol]] finds out that her husband is a Cylon and is killed by [[Tory Foster]].
* [[Lee Adama]] is making an impact in the political arena.
* The ''Demetrius'' is three weeks into its scouting mission.
* Natalie's faction is tricked by the Ones and lured into an ambush.

==[[Escape Velocity]]==
:''No definite markers exist, but the episode likely takes place soon after "[[The Ties That Bind]]", given that it opens with a memorial service for Cally Tyrol.''
* Violent clashes between Baltar's cult and other religious denominations cause a debate among the Quorum about the group's religious freedoms. They are eventually tolerated.
* [[Galen Tyrol]]'s grief over his wife impacts his job performance, causing a severe accident with a Raptor. After an argument with Admiral Adama, he is demoted.
* [[Saul Tigh]] tries to cope with being a Cylon by talking to [[Caprica Six]] and begins to see his [[Ellen Tigh|dead wife]] in her place.

==[[The Road Less Travelled]]==
:''The episode takes place 58 days into the ''Demetrius''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s mission, or 36 days after "[[The Ties That Bind]]"
*When the ''Demetrius'' is scheduled to return to ''Galactica'', it encounters a [[Heavy Raider]] with [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)‎|Leoben Conoy]] aboard, who proposes an alliance between the humans and his faction. Thrace decides to jump to his baseship, but her crew refuses and relieves her of command.
*On ''Galactica'', Tyrol despairs over the loss of his wife, confronts Baltar, but eventually makes up with him.

==[[Faith]]==
:''The episode continues directly from the previous one and the events take place over a timespan of 15 hours. In regards to the overall timeline, over three years have passed since the Cylon attack.''
*The standoff on the ''Demetrius'' is defused and Thrace, [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] and [[Jean Barolay|Barolay]] take Conoy to his basestar. There they meet with [[Natalie]], who takes them to the [[Hybrid]]. They eventually repair the ship's FTL drive and return to the ''Demetrius''.
*On ''Galactica'', [[Laura Roslin]] undergoes treatments against her cancer and socializes with [[Emily Kowalski‎]], another cancer patient.

==[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]==
:''The episode takes place shortly after the previous one.''
*After the ''Demetrius'' returns with the Cylon rebels and their basestar, Natalie requests the Colonials' help in un[[box]]ing the Threes and offers them the chance to destroy the Cylon [[Resurrection Hub]] in return.
* Gaeta's leg has to be amputated and he deals with the loss and pain.
* Both parties plan to double cross each other. The Colonials are not going to hand over the Final Five, once uncovered, and the Cylons plan to take hostages to force them to. However, Natalie has a change of heart after speaking to the Quorum and wants to call off their preparations.
* [[Sharon Agathon]], after having another vision of the [[Opera House]] fears that Natalie will take [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] from her, and shoots Natalie after she runs into the child.
* Laura Roslin visits the Hybrid on the baseship, but when it is reactivated, it jumps the ship away.

==[[Sine Qua Non]]==
:''The episode continues nearly directly from the previous one, takes place concurrently with the next episode, and ends shortly before the end of the next episode. During an interview, [[Tom Zarek]] states that it has been 5 years since the holocaust. However, this appears to be a considerable overestimate, since - judging from several other comments by characters and the time that passed between episodes - only about three and a half years have passed since the Miniseries.''

*With Roslin gone and Adama not wanting to acknowledge [[Tom Zarek]] as president, a leadership crisis erupts within the Fleet. [[Lee Adama]] and [[Romo Lampkin]] search for a suitable candidate to become interim president. The choice eventually falls on Lee Adama himself.
*Admiral Adama admits that he can't live without Roslin, and decides to risk waiting alone in a Raptor at a rendezvous point, while the Fleet jumps away. He temporarily puts Saul Tigh in command of ''Galactica'' and the Fleet.

==[[The Hub]]==
:''The episode continues directly from "Guess What's Coming To Dinner?", takes place concurrently with "Sine Qua Non", spans two days, and ends shortly after the end of "Sine Qua Non".''
* The alliance of Cylons and humans successfully destroys the [[Resurrection Hub]]. [[Number Three|D'Anna Biers]] is unboxed and demands to be returned to the Fleet before revealing anything that she knows.
*Roslin has visions of [[Elosha]] and hears [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s confession about his role in the downfall of humanity.
*''c. Day 1218'' - Boomer and Cavil inform Ellen of the Hub's destruction and demand her help in rebuilding it. Ellen tells them that she is unable to do it without Saul, Tory, Galen, and Sam. Cavil replies that he will mine her brain for the information if need be ([[No Exit]], this scene is "four months ago", fourteen months after Ellen's resurrection)
*After the mission, and after the main events of "Sine Qua Non", the basestar returns to the rendezvous point where Admiral Adama is waiting.

==[[Revelations]]==
:''The episode continues nearly directly from the previous one. When the Fleet arrives at Earth, Admiral Adama states that it had been three years (~1,095 days) since he promised to lead the them to a new home. He likely means "over three years".''

*[[D'Anna Biers]] forces [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] to reveal themselves as Cylons. The three are arrested, while [[Tory Foster]] secretly joins the Cylons.
*Kara Thrace investigates her [[Starbuck's Viper|Viper]] and discovers a signal that gives them a bearing to Earth.
*President Adama gives the Final Four a full amnesty and shares all information about Earth with the Cylons. Together they jump to the planet, but discover it be a nuclear wasteland.

==[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]==
:''The episode continues directly from the previous one.''

==[[The Face of the Enemy]]==

==[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]==

==[[The Oath]]==
:''This episode begins soon after the previous one.''

==[[Blood on the Scales]]==
:''This episode begins immediately after the previous one.''

==[[No Exit]]==
:''The main timeframe of this episode begins soon after the previous one, while the scenes with Ellen Tigh span a timeframe which begins soon after Ellen's death in [[Exodus, Part II]].''

:''c. Day 1336'' (these scenes are "two days ago")
*Cavil and Boomer inform Ellen that the Simons are getting ready to operate on her brain to extract her knowledge of resurrection technology.
*Ellen accuses Cavil of sadism, and tells Boomer of how he murdered the seventh model, the Daniels, because he thought Ellen was playing favorites.
*Boomer helps Ellen to escape from the basestar in the captured [[Raptor 702]].

:''c. Day 1338'' (Ellen's resurrection was "eighteen months ago")
*Dr. Cottle opens Sam Anders' skull to prepare him for brain surgery. Dr. [[Gerard]] will operate to remove the bullet from Anders' head.
*Anders wakes with his memories from the time before he was boxed by Cavil intact.
*Anders attempts to relay as much about the backstory of the Final Five to Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Tory Foster as possible before undergoing full surgery.
*Lee Adama and Laura Roslin decide that the new Quorum should be composed of ships' captains, because the people of the fleet are no longer truly divided on the basis of colony.
*Surgery to remove the bullet from Anders' brain is successful, but he is left comatose for unknown reasons.

==[[Deadlock]]==
:''This episode takes place soon after [[No Exit]], and roughly four months after [[Sine Qua Non]].''

==[[Someone to Watch Over Me]]==

==[[Islanded In a Stream of Stars]]==

==[[Daybreak, Part I|Daybreak, Parts I]][[Daybreak, Part II| & II]]==
*Hera Agathon is rescued from the Cylon [[The Colony|Colony]].
*The Cylon Colony is destroyed.
*Kara Thrace jumps the ''Galactica'' to [[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|a habitable planet]] already populated by primitive humans who naturally evolved there.
*The Colonial humans and their humanoid Cylon allies settle on the newly discovered planet to pursue a hunter/gatherer lifestyle and mix with the native pre-verbal tribal humans. The fleet, including ''Galactica'', is sent into the Sun. The rebel Basestar is given to the Centurions, who jump away to pursue their own destiny. Kara Thrace disappears, her task complete.
*The newly discovered world is named Earth, after the original planet settled by the Thirteenth Tribe of Kobol. Laura Roslin finally succumbs to her cancer while taking an aerial tour of the planet with William Adama in a Raptor.
*The fleet population is distributed into independent colonies in various continents and regions.
*Hera has at least two daughters, but dies while still a young woman in what will become Tanzania.
*150,000 years later, Earth is home to an advanced society that greatly resembles that of the Colonials, though without spaceflight, and is beginning to develop robots. Hera Agathon's remains have been discovered and identified as [[w:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]], most recent common ancestor strictly through female descent of all living humans on the new Earth.<ref>Contrary to what is read from the fictional National Geographic Article, mitochondrial Eve is not the "most recent common ancestor" of humanity. That person perhaps lived 90,000 years later, and virtually all breeding persons living more than 60,000 years before the present (of whom mitochondrial Eve is merely one) were common ancestors of all humanity.</ref>

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Timeline (RDM)

2009-05-02T23:11:33Z

Bradtem: /* Ancient History */ remove temple of five note

{{timeline series}}

This article attempts to plot the events illustrated or mentioned in the history and prehistory of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

All dates use the day of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as the central time marker for all events in the series. Items that occur before the Fall are marked as "BCH", or "Before Cylon holocaust". Given the few and somewhat contradictory dates about the Colonials' ancient history and the exodus from Kobol, that part of the timeline is speculative.

The Cylon holocaust occurs more than 150,000 years before the present day.

==Ancient History==
:''See also: [[History of the Twelve Colonies]], [[Sacred_Scrolls#Analysis]]''
*'''Unknown time:''' Human beings evolve on the planet [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. They consist of twelve tribes. They "live in utopia with the gods." The humans become technologically advanced. Artificial life-forms, machines, called Cylons, are created by the humans. A war against the machines occurs. The machines evolve and take humanoid form. This group is referred to in the Sacred Scrolls as the "Thirteenth Tribe".
**[[Sacred_Scrolls#The_.22One_Exodus.22_Interpretation]], [[Sacred_Scrolls#The_Origin_of_Mankind]]
*'''Over 17,000 years BCH:''' A supernova creates the [[Ionian nebula]].
*'''ca. 4,000 years BCH:''' The Thirteenth Tribe reportedly leaves Kobol and builds the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] on [[Algae planet|another planet]] <ref name="kobol">Tyrol says that "Our initial radiocarbon dating suggests that the temple's at least 4,000 years old, which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe." ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). This is the oldest date noted in the series's timeline, but also conflicts with the prior date of Pythia and her works as described by [[Elosha]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", where she states that the exodus of '''all 13 tribes''' occurred approximately 2,000 years ago.</ref> This contradicts [[Ellen Tigh]]'s statement that the temple was built 3,000 years ago ([[No Exit]]). They pray for guidance and are shown the way to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], the planet they colonize.
*'''ca. 3,600 years BCH:''' [[Pythia]] records [[Sacred Scrolls#The Book of Pythia|her prophecies.]] Aside from reports of the landing on Earth and drawings of [[Temple of Aurora|temple]]s there, this book describes "the exile and rebirth of the human race" and a "dying leader" not making it to a "promised land," though how long before her writings that such events took place is not revealed.
*'''ca. 3,000 years BCH:''' A [[Lion's Head beacon|beacon]] is left at the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], later marking the way to Earth. At some undated point, someone travels from [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] to Kobol, passing on information about Earth, including a map of its night sky <ref>Adama says that "According to Cottle, the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] was an exact match to one reported over 3000 years ago, right around the time that the 13th colony left Kobol" ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). This contradicts the two other dates of 2,000 and 4,000 years. While the dating is uncertain, it is the only clue to the beacon's age. That someone traveled back to Kobol is speculation, but an explanation for how Earth's sky could be displayed there. If true, it is still unknown on which of these two voyages the beacon was left behind.</ref>
*'''ca. 3,000 years to 2,000 years BCH:''' The humanoid Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe prosper and begin to reproduce sexually. The technology of "organic memory transfer," or downloading, is abandoned.
**The Thirteenth Tribe produce their own mechanical Centurions to act as laborers for their civilization.
*'''ca. 2,000 years BCH:''' (''The order of events on Kobol and Earth is uncertain. See also [[Sacred_Scrolls#The_.22One_Exodus.22_Interpretation]], [[Sacred_Scrolls#The_Origin_of_Mankind]]'')
**[[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]], and [[Galen Tyrol]], later collectively known as the "Final Five," are born on Earth.
**The Final Five work together in a research lab attempting to re-develop downloading technology. The effort is spearheaded by Galen Tyrol and Ellen Tigh.
**All five Cylons receive visions of beings nobody else can see warning them of an impending rebellion by Earth's Centurion population. The Final Five prepare a resurrection ship and leave it in orbit.
**The remaining Twelve Tribes leave Kobol and settle the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]<ref name="kobol"/>.
**Lord of Kobol "Athena" kills herself in despair over this. A [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] is built for her containing a 3-D projection showing Earth and its Zodiac. The projection is activated by the Arrow of Apollo, which travels with the twelve tribes.
**The Centurion uprising occurs and the Thirteenth Tribe exterminates itself in a nuclear holocaust. Earth is left a nuclear wasteland. The Final Five die in the attack, and are resurrected on board their orbiting ship.
**The Final Five begin a journey at sublight speeds back to Kobol to find the other twelve tribes and inform them of Earth's fate.
*'''2,000 years to 52 years BCH:''' The Twelve Colonies grow and prosper. Each colony acts as a sovereign nation, complete with inter-colonial wars.
**The Final Five stop at the Temple of Hopes as they retrace their tribe's path.
**The Final Five arrive at Kobol, finding the planet abandoned. They continue on in pursuit of the twelve tribes, heading toward the colonies.

==Recent Colonial History==
*'''At least 200 years BCH:''' Humans develop an immunity to the virus causing [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]] ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). <ref>Doctor Cottle notes the time as "a couple hundred years ago", which is an indeterminate amount of time, but likely less than four or five hundred years.</ref>
*'''69 years BCH:''' [[Saul Tigh]] supposedly born (defined by deleted scene in "[[Valley of Darkness]]" concerning the ''[[Brenik]]''). This is actually a false memory planted by [[Cavil]]. [[William Adama]] born in [[Qualai]], [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Caprica pilot]], [[Hero]]).
*'''58 - 52 years BCH:''' Somewhere during this time, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] of the Twelve Colonies are built to aid in hard labor and warfare ([[Caprica pilot]], [[Miniseries]]). Their creators are unaware that they are repeating the actions of their ancestors on Kobol.
*'''52 years BCH:''' Cylon revolt starts the first [[Cylon War]] ([[Colonial Day]]).
*'''52 years BCH:''' [[Articles of Colonization]] signed ([[Colonial Day]], [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005]).
*'''51 years BCH:''' Colonial ship ''[[Brenik]]'' is lost after a boarding action by [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]] ([[Valley of Darkness]], deleted scene).
*'''ca. 50 years BCH:''' Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' enters service.
*'''42 years BCH:''' William Adama begins his service in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot, near the end of the Cylon War ("Hero", [[Razor Flashbacks]]).
*'''40 years BCH:'''
**Mechanical Cylons begin experiments constructing humanoid forms of Cylon. They succeed in creating the [[First Hybrid]] and subsequent [[Hybrid]]s, but no fully humanoid forms.
**The Final Five arrive in the Colonial solar system in the waining days of the war.
**The Five meet the local Cylons and negotiate an end to the war. They will give the Cylons biological bodies if the Cylons agree to end the war.
**[[Operation Raptor Talon]] conducted by the Colonial Fleet. Battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' destroyed (Razor Flashbacks).
**Armistice ends the [[Cylon War]]. Cylons exile themselves from the Twelve Colonies ([[Miniseries]]). The First Hybrid and his Guardians part company with the other Cylons.
**William Adama musters out of the Colonial Fleet ("[[Scattered]]", [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]]).
*'''37 BCH:''' William Adama enlists as merchant marine and serves aboard inter-colony freighters ("Scattered", Adama's dossier).
*'''37 to ca. 30 BCH:'''
** The Cylons establish a secret base known as [[The Colony]], where research and development equipment belonging to the Final Five is stored.
**The Final Five create [[John Cavil]], the first of the new Humanoid Cylons, and designate him model Number One. They raise him for some time.
**John matures and assists Final Five in the creation of seven other humanoid Cylon models. A resurrection system is built for the new models based on technology left over from the Thirteenth Tribe.
*'''ca. 30 BCH:'''
**Cavil murders model Number Seven, [[Daniel]], out of jealousy by poisoning the amniotic fluid in which the Seven copies were maturing.
**The Final Five are murdered by Cavil and their consciousnesses are [[boxing|boxed]].
**Cavil erases all knowledge of the Final Five and the missing model Number Seven from his fellow Humanoid Cylon models and specifically programs them not to think about either.
**[[Saul Tigh]] is resurrected and introduced to the colonies as a military officer with false history of fighting in the war.
** [[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected and introduced into Colonial society sometime thereafter.
*'''ca. 28 BCH:'''
** [[Galen Tyrol]] supposedly born <ref>At the time of the Cylon attack, Tyrol has "ten years experience" ([[Miniseries]]), and has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This puts his birth in approximately 28 BCH, allowing for a few years leeway with the first comment. It is likely that Tyrol (and the two other remaining members of the Final Five, Samuel Anders and Tory Foster), was introduced into Colonial society at or around this point by [[John Cavil]] as part of his plan for revenge on his creators, human and Cylon alike ([[No Exit]]).</ref> This is actually a false memory planted by [[John Cavil]].
** First meeting between William Adama and Saul Tigh ("Scattered", "[[Torn]]"). <ref>The podcast for "[[Scattered]]" places their meeting "twenty years ago". In "[[Torn]]", Adama states that he has known Tigh for 30 years. Furthermore, [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his reinstatement into the Colonial Fleet at 23 BCH. ''Battlestar Wiki'' choses to use the more consistent dates.</ref>
*'''ca. 27 BCH:''' William and [[Carolanne Adama]] meet and marry. <ref name = "leezak">This date is assumed as follows: Zak died 2 BCH. Since he graduated from some kind of military academy, he would be at least 22 years old, following real world models. On a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] of William Adama with his sons, Lee seems to be about two years older than Zak. Adama and his wife probably met not long before Lee's birth.</ref>
*'''ca. 26 BCH:''' [[Lee Adama]] born. <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''ca. 24 BCH:''' [[Zak Adama]] born. <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''23 years BCH:''' William Adama reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of Captain and is assigned to the battlestar ''[[Universal]]'' <ref>[[:Image:William Adama's Reinstatement Letter.jpg|This information comes from a prop used in the episode "Scattered".]]</ref> ("Scattered" deleted scene, Adama's dossier).
*'''21 years BCH:''' Saul Tigh reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of Captain by now-Major Adama (Scattered). <ref>The time between Adama's and Tigh's reinstatement is not specified on screen. The February/March issue of ''Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine'' gives it as two years: "''Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service.''"</ref> <ref>In actually, this is Saul Tigh's ''entrance'' into to Colonial Fleet, not his return, as he did not serve in the Cylon War and all documents of his service and retirement were forged by John Cavil.</ref>
*'''20 years BCH:'''
**Last significant [[FTL]] jump recorded in ''Galactica's'' logs (Miniseries).
**[[Tom Zarek]] imprisoned for blowing up a government building on [[Sagittaron]] ([[Bastille Day]]).
*'''17 BCH:''' William Adama assigned to the battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', where he makes his 1000th Viper landing (Adama's dossier, "[[Act of Contrition]]").
*'''13 years BCH:''' William Adama assigned as executive officer to the new battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' (Adama's dossier).
*'''11 years BCH:''' [[Laura Roslin]] begins her career in politics ([[Litmus]]).
*'''ca. 10 years BCH:''' Galen Tyrol enlists in the Colonial Fleet as a non-commissioned officer (Miniseries).
*'''9 years BCH:''' William Adama promoted to commander and assigned as commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero").
*'''7 years BCH:''' Saul and [[Ellen Tigh]] marry again ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]]).
*'''6 years BCH:''' William Adama leads an aborted covert intelligence mission aboard ''Valkyrie''. [[Daniel Novacek]] is shot down and captured by the Cylons. Adama and Tigh are subsequently assigned to ''Galactica'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero"). <ref name="hero">While dialogue from "[[Hero]]" places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error and change the date.</ref>
*'''5 years BCH:'''
**[[Laura Roslin]]'s last breast exam prior to her cancer diagnosis ([[Act of Contrition]]).
**Galen Tyrol assigned to ''Galactica'' ([[Litmus]]). <ref>Since Adama states that Tyrol has been under his commander for "over five years", this might also be one year earlier.</ref>
*'''4 years BCH:'''
**[[Kara Thrace]] graduates from the Colonial Fleet Academy ([[Maelstrom]]).
**[[Socrata Thrace]] dies of stomach cancer (Maelstrom).
*'''3 years BCH:''' [[Felix Gaeta]] assigned to ''Galactica'' (Miniseries).
*'''2 years BCH:'''
**[[Caprica Six]] begins residence on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]), first encounters Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] (Miniseries).
**[[Sharon Valerii]] begins service aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Farm]]).
**Zak Adama dies in a flight school accident (Miniseries).
**Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] is re-assigned from flight school to ''Galactica'' ([[Act of Contrition]]).
*'''1 Year BCH:'''
**Last time William and Carolanne Adama speak (Miniseries).
**Carolanne Adama gets engaged (Miniseries).
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] last visits her home ([[Final Cut]]).

==Events of the [[Miniseries]]==
*'''Zero Hour:'''
**The [[Armistice Station]] is destroyed by [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces.
**Laura Roslin is diagnosed with inoperable breast cancer.
**''Galactica'' is decommissioned.
**The [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] are heavily bombarded by nuclear bombs.
**[[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] [[Fleet Headquarters]] is destroyed.
**[[Ellen Tigh]] is placed aboard the ''[[Rising Star]]'' by [[John Cavil]] shortly before it escapes the destruction of Picon ("[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", "[[No Exit]]").
**''Galactica's'' last [[Viper Mark VII]] squadron is destroyed.
**A battle near [[Virgon (RDM)|Virgon]] ends with the total loss of the remaining Colonial Fleet including the flagship ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''.
**The [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' luckily escapes the destruction of the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", "[[Razor]]").
**''Galactica'' engages [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s and survives with moderate damage and 85 dead.
**Last transmission from the Colonies received by Laura Roslin aboard ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' from a [[Jack|fellow secretary]].
**[[Case Orange]] contingency mechanism assigns Roslin the office of the President of the Twelve Colonies.
**Roslin gathers stranded civilian and military ships in the vicinity of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]].
**Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] assumes overall Fleet command and orders regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]
**Roslin's fleet survives two Cylon attacks and meets at Ragnar.
**''Galactica'' changes from battle stance to civilian protection, and escorts the civilian fleet from Ragnar towards the [[Prolmar Sector]].

== Season 1 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 1 (RDM)]]''

== Season 2 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]]''

== Season 3 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 3 (RDM)]]''

== Season 4 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 4 (RDM)]]''

== References ==
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Talk:Earth (RDM)/Archive 1

2009-04-19T00:24:24Z

Bradtem: /* Separate articles for the two Earths? */

== Separate articles for the two Earths? ==
We now know that there are two Earths: the Thirteenth colony, which was destroyed and visited in Revelations, and the "real" earth, which is discovered in the finale. To avoid confusion, I think we should consider splitting the two into separate articles. --[[User:Emistal|Emistal]] 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think so, because the planets have the exact same name. They're not actually called Old Earth and New Earth or First Earth and Second Earth. And the article's not overly long. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
::There are now a lot of Earths in the show. TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth. And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki. In the show, Angel HB calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user. However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Earth uninhabited/primitve/catastrophe?? ==

Everyone has still the amazing finale of Season 3 in mind. We were able to take a look at the Earth of BSG RDM. Although, we could see the familiar blue planet for a few seconds only, it was enough to determine one fact: There were no major cities visible from orbit, nor any other signs indicating that earth is actually inhabited with a highly advanced civilization. This leads to the question what happend to the thirteenth tribe? Were they wiped out? Are they much more primitive than their 12 brothers? Or something completely different? In my opinion I believe that Earth is the true origin of mankind and that the remaining citizens of the planet have developed in the 4000 years since the exodus to such advanced and godlike beings (maybe comparable to the beings of Stargate, the ancients) that they no longer need to live in high-tech cities, but travel through the universe with their powers. I mean, look at the episode Maelstrom. I think an earth human took the role of Leoben to prepare Kara for their "life and death experience". If they are able to communicate with humans in dreams, pull viper pilots to earth in a maelstrom and even reverse the death of Kara Thrace than the earth humans must be extremely powerful beings! {{unsigned|Cortes}}

:I sure hope that it's uninhabited - but perhaps habitable again - and that it's the true origin of mankind. It still wouldn't explain the close technological and cultural similarities after thousands of years, but everything else would pretty much destroy the show in my eyes. Especially if it were an advanced society. This just isn't the type of show to either have incorporeal beings or have a story resolved by magical new technology. An alternative would be a complete parallel universe, where humans didn't develop on Earth. But that whole Earth thing has never been a favorite of mine anyways and is beginning to take up way too much screen time. I never felt that the show was ''about'' the search for Earth and liked it when that story went on in the background.

:Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or use the "sign your name" quick link in the edit box. That will add a timestamp and a signature after your posts. Moreover, for this type of speculative questions, I'd recommend [http://battlestarforum.com/index.php Battlestar Forum] (run by the same people as the wiki, though not as populated) over talk pages. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:41, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

== Age of Lion's Head Beacon ==

Is there a reference for the age of 3000 years of the beacon? The article about the beacon says nothing about it. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 16:57, 14 December 2007 (CST)
:It's mentioned in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" that the disease carried on the beacon is an exact match to one that was last reported "reported over 3,000 years ago. Right around the time that the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|13th Tribe]] left [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]." I think that's where that comes from, which conflicts with Elosha's statement that the 13th Tribe left Kobol 4,000 years ago by the way. The [[Timeline (RDM)#Ancient History|timeline]] seems to suggest that they just went back later and left it there. You're right that ought to be in that article, I say go for it. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 02:25, 15 December 2007 (CST)

== Earth Time? ==

Given that things that happened on Galactica were tied into our reality here on Earth in some way, in the past or the future, or some other connection, in Season 4, when Earth be found, the year is 1940, during World War II. Or 10,000 BC or 2020, or present year (2008). I'm not sure at the moment, since creators avoid citing whether BSG takes place on the series' Earth's past, present, or future. [[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 08:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Picture ==

We need a picture of the post-apocalyptic earth. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if it's kosher to take it , but io9 pasted together a bunch of screenshots to get a panoramic here: http://io9.com/5018043/wheres-starbuck - I think we also need a Temple of Aurora cap. My friend said one of the burned out structures is clearly the remains of the Brooklyn Bridge. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:Jackdavinci|Jackdavinci]] 14:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think it's IO9's panorama, as I saw it elsewhere first. I have a nice temple of aurora cap, but every time I upload it gets "internal error, can't move file..." --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 17:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

An interesting tidbit here, someone's uploaded pics of the set on flickr. Doesn't sound like it was even guarded. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/quite_contrary/1975927273/in/set-1004458/ Flickr pics]--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 17:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at that picture:
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Kara_Thrace_Reconnaissance_Photos.png
you can read: Col Tigh
Battlestar Galactica
Battlestar Group 62

why 62 ???
--[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 17:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Kara's 'Yellow Moon' Comment ==

The original page formerly included this:
"[[Kara Thrace]]'s description of the moon she sees as 'yellow,' and the fact that this matches the scroll of Pythia, is curious and unexplained. Her photo shows a yellowish moon during a partial lunar eclipse over a mostly gray-white planet, though she described the planet as blue with white clouds. However, the photographs are very desaturated—to the point of being black and white—and very likely don't represent the true colors. She may have intended to say 'yellow star and moon' (referring to the star as yellow) instead of 'yellow moon and star.'"

This "note" stems largely from ignorance of the true color of objects in our solar system. The moon is not, despite what we see in the sky, grey and white. It is a dull mix of browns, rusts, and yellows. It could easily be described as "yellow" when viewed from space and in partial illumination from the Sun. The moon has an albedo of 0.12 (in other words, it is a relatively ''dark'' body), and only appears in the highly desaturated shades we see it due to the intensity of sunlight reflecting off it. See this real-color image for a visual: [http://cwx.prenhall.com/bookbind/pubbooks/chaissonat4/chapter1/medialib/image/g_earth_moon.jpeg].

Kara's comment was spot on. Also, our star is not really yellow--it is very close to 6500K white, but appears exaggeratedly yellow due to the same Rayleigh scattering that makes the sky blue.

-- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 05:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

: Great catch! Thanks! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

=="New Earth" messup==

I rewrote the article on earth, as you stated that the planet in daybreak part II was not earth. But, you can see from orbit that it is earth because you can see africa clearly from orbit and on a map that adama points to has a VERY detailed map of austrialia, africa, asia, and pretty much the entire earth. They say while watching a native tribe that it is a miracle that humanity evolved 1,000,000 light years away (from caprica), not that it is 100000 light years from earth. it is not new earth, and they do not day that phrase at all in the episode. so can we change the name of the section? [[User:Acaeton|Acaeton]] 02:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Messengers/Archive 1

2009-04-19T00:19:08Z

Bradtem: /* Virtual Baltar doesn't work for God */

:''For discussions prior to March 14, 2007, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Virtual_beings&oldid=110913 see this revision.]''

== Major revision ==

This article was strewn with theories and [[BW:FANW|fanwankery]] that cluttered the article. With the revelations of season 3, what is known about the nature of the virtual Six and Baltar reduces the probability of earlier speculation. Recent contributions have been more of possibility that is hardly supported by aired content, and reading the article as a whole was nearly impossible. As well, the article repeated informaation already present in the episode guides or a more relevant article. I have rewritten the article to keep sole focus on the origins, motivations and behavior of the virtual beings, removing all previous irrelevant, incorrect or otherwise inappropriate content on their nature or history.

As this article deals with the virtual beings related to Cylon activity, I eliminated the text on other character visions; they are more suited for a separate article to keep topics from blending.

With major revisions like this, there is always a possibility that something significant was lost. Contributors should feel free to add in significant notes of the virtual beings, but please do not repeat every instance of the being's presence or interject speculation that is not supported with episode content. The article, in my opinion and recommendation, should focus more on what they do to the actual characters and less on their nature until the show reveals more of their origin. Again, please be careful about excessive speculation; "theories" per se are not acceptable on Battlestar Wiki. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Virtual Baltar Episodes ==

In the major edit, I botched the episode citation for virtual Baltar's visit to C-Six in her jail cell. One or both of the episode citations I noted are wrong. Corrections to this information are appreciated. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:The visit is in "The Woman King". That's where the two kiss and they wonder what's going on.--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

About this: "Neither character has revealed the presence of these images to each other or any other character as of the episode, "[[The Woman King]]" (where the virtual Baltar makes an appearance)."<br/>
Does this mean that it is the first instance where another character (here Roslin) really wonders what one of them is doing? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

:It should say "Neither character has revealed the existence (...)." Other characters have witnessed the strange behavior, but to my memory, only Roslin has verbally wondered. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Baltar and his Virtual Baltar ==

Virtual Baltar has appeared to Baltar. -- [[User:LicensedLunacy|LicensedLunacy]] 16:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that Baltar seeing himself is just a unique way to convey he is thinking/ talking to himself, considering his options. [[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]]

: That might be a good way to look at it... Actually, it might be another part of his psyche he's talking to. It can be said that Virtual Six is the part of his subconscious mind, trying to deal with the fact that he's responsible for so many people's deaths in another light. But that's a topic for discussion at a [http://www.battlestarforum.com forum]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

==Virtual Leoben==
Shouldn't we add virtual Leoben? He's sort of important I'd say, and is not a part of Kara...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

:That's a good question. I would say "yes" but that also introduces other dream-related visions such as the ones I removed. I recommend "no" as the article should limit itself to visions that are experienced by characters in real-time and not while unconscious (sleeping or otherwise). That's my opinion and is open for more scrutiny. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:No. There is a good chance that Head-Six and Head-Baltar are somehow Cylon-related. That chance is not so great with Maelstrom Leoben, since IMHO it's more likely just a representation of her own subconscious and not in any way whatsoever related to the real Leoben (it even says so in the episode). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:04, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::Maybe we should add at least a note about Maelstrom Leoben and A Day in Life Carolanne, though? 12:37, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I concur with Serenity. The virtuals are definitely a unexpected (and unrevealed) side-effect of Cylon technology, that much is certain. The virtual Leoben ''isn't'' a Cylon, and doesn't appear in real time. He needs a separate article (and deserves it). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:00, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::::I've created a [[virtual Leoben]] article and updated the relevant pages where he it cited. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:00, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::::I have to disagree that the virtual Six and Baltar are definitely, or even probably, a result of Cylon technology. Their nature is as unknown as the virtual Leoben's. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:37, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

==Cylon Tech==
Isn't this line: "Since the effect appears to occur only between Caprica-Six and Gaius Baltar, it is possible that their visions are an unknown side-effect of Cylon technology," complete specualtion? I think it should be removed, but before doing so, I thought I'd check to make sure there wasn't any concensus I wasn't aware of. If it happened with the other six members of the [[Significant Seven]] (or even a majority of them) I wouldn't have as much of a problem, but as it's only happened with Six and Baltar I think it's out of place. If anything, a more appropriate stateent would be something like it's an unkown side-effect of cylon-human intimacy.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:09, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
:The way you phrase is still speculation, but is more precise to what we know, and would be more appropriate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]
::I completely agree, and I'd rather remove it outright, but was trying to be diplomatic. I'm going to remove it completely.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 10:25, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

== Virtual Ellen? ==

How is she different from Bill's hallucination of [[Carolanne Adama]] in "[[A Day in the Life]]"? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, it could just be a normal hallucination. This might be more, but until it is confirmed, pushing her appearance so clearly into the direction of the virtual beings is POV. I reworded the section to make it more neutral and less certain. The term "Virtual Ellen" shouldn't be used so freely and always in quotation marks. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:It depends. I have a feeling we'll see more of her in future episodes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Tigh could even be [[projection|projecting]] her onto Caprica Six (seems a bit the wrong way round to me :D) but that doesn't make her a being like V.Six or V.Baltar who are all mystical or whatnot. Ellen's words and actions all seem to be what Caprica said and did anyway, wheras V.Six and V.Baltar are separate entities. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::That's definitely a possibility. Maybe doing a "hallucinations" article would suffice... which would be a bit ironic, given that this article itself came from an article on Cylon based hallucinations, if I recall correctly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::You do. We used to describe hallucinations here, only to discover they were all virtual beings, and renamed the article accordingly. With Adama and Tigh hallucinating about their wives, that may not have been that good a choice (in hindsight). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 23:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I suggest we move the "Virtual Ellen" section into the [[Ellen Tigh]] article until we have a reason to believe she is anything other than a hallucination/projection. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it would be more appropriate here or in the Saul Tigh article. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==Virtual?==

I think the fact that we've seen direct physical intervention by "Virtual" Six onscreen in [[Escape Velocity]] throws the whole "virtual" concept right out the window. Could explain the sudden disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina]] after their respective acts, as well. One could also infer some serious intervention on the part of "Virtual" Leoben during Starbuck's "death" but that's even further speculation. Anyway, just a thought I felt was worth mentioning. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 20:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:She only interacted with Baltar. We've seen her push him into a wall or mirror before, so we know that she can force him to move in a certain way. I don't see how that makes her any less "virtual," since she exists in his mind. And Gina didn't suddenly dissapear, she blew herself up. [[User:INH|INH]] 02:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The footage clearly shows intervention ... he's held up and forced towards the marines, moving quite unnaturally. Yes, Gina blew herself up, but I'm referring to how she removed herself from ''Pegasus'' after killing Cain. I'd love some episode reference for "We've seen her push him into a wall or mirror before" so I can review it. Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 02:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
: Right, she's still virtual, and we don't really see whether or not Baltar's feet make it off the ground. I'm sure they did some wire work in the scene, but we don't really know what we're supposed to believe... This is where a podcast would definitely help. The only one that disappears unexpectedly is Shelly, and she could have easily flushed herself out an airlock, given how they aren't guarded. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
: While it's the most extreme seemingly physical interaction so far, this isn't really too different from what happens in ''[[w:Fight Club|Fight Club]]'' for example, and not completely impossible to do alone. While it seems that he is held in the air, it's not actually shown. Could be either. Sure, it might be more, but it's not ''that'' certain. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::IMO anything which happens while Virtual Six is visible should be considered unreliable. In other words, I think that only movements which Baltar could not plasibly make under his own power occuring while Virtual Six is not in the shot should be considered conclusive evidence of physical interaction. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::I don't at all like the implication of an invisible "Six" physically lifting Baltar, but we have to acknowledge that setting up the shot the way they did was not at all trivial, and must have been done for a reason. Whether this was intended to be dramatic (and thus, demands a literal interpretation) or comic (and thus, just a sight gag) is unclear - it's a mirthless episode, but Olmos's previous episodes have demonstrated a taste for comedy. If it we have to interpret it literally, well, that's a challenge. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::To counter the point, had Baltar been lifted "off the ground", we'd see a variety of shocked reactions from those who witnessed this otherworldly event. So not only do we have to gauge what we see Baltar doing, but we also have to look at the entire picture. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::I dont understand how this is in question. IIRC from the podcast for the episode..James Callis did all the movements under his own power..if the actor could do them, why is it in question the the character couldn't do them? Also from the podcast, Ron complained that the intent was not to look like he was lifted but under his own power. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Virtual > Head ==

Pretty much every official source I see (including RDM's podcast) uses the phrases "Head-Six", and "Head-Baltar" rather than "Virtual". Shouldn't we follow suit? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 20:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Lacks gravitas, but does seem more standard. What does RDM call them in the podcasts? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::He calls them Head-Six and Head-Baltar. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 05:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:We can use both. And note the terminology here. But there isn't really much point in changing it throughout the wiki. I don't think it's too confusing to use both for some variety. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::We should use both. "Head" is more colloquial but also has a loose ungrammatical and perjorative nature I find weird. I see "virtual" around the fansphere just as well. For this article and throughout the wiki, "virtual" should be used but references to "head" (yes, please) should be redirects to here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Such redirects are already in place :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't agree that we should use "Head-Six" and "Head-Baltar". Frankly, this already presupposes that these are figments of a person's imagination; virtual is more ambiguous, and has a wider-range of meanings than "head" (which is another way of saying "glorified imaginary friend". So, Ron uses it... then again, he and Eick have diluted themselves into believing that "Hero" fits snugly into continuity when we all know that isn't the case. So... time to put on those critical thinking caps. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Virtual Cat ==

I find it curious that [[Romo Lampkin]]'s virtual cat from [[Sine Qua Non]] isn't listed. Is this an oversight or is it deliberate? There can be no question that the cat was indeed virtual. That cat had been dead for a long enough time for Lee to question its time of death. The cat is never seen by Lee. Romo is the only one to interact with the cat, and then, only by voice.
--[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because there's a difference between a virtual being and a mere hallucination. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I havent seen this distinction in the show. No virtual being has given any character any information that they didnt already know, or could have reasonably deduced by themselves. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::The Virtual Six lifted Baltar off the ground in a manner that was physically impossible for him to do on his own. There are other examples too. The virtual beings aren't mere hallucinations. The presence of extra-corporeal entities and/or spiritual powers in this show is all but spelled out in giant letters for the audience. [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 08:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Not so. Baltar had no way of knowing that Hera would arrive or of her connection to the Opera House. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How could have a cylon known about the birth of hara? And if james callis could do the moves without outside assistence, so could baltar. And havent you noticed that when Ron Moore hits you over the head with a concept, its often wrong? And this still doesn't rule out a virtual cat. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 07:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::What Cylon? Virtual Six isn't a Cylon. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:: I agree that it is a virtual being (or the virtual being as it has not been disproved that they are different, and when questioned on it the subject it was deflected, possibly the Cylon God). My reasoning for this is that every encounter with one has moved the story on often with a purpose (e.g. Baltar's Six being pissed at him for comforting Gina then telling him “God will not forgive this sin”, Caprica's Baltar for telling her to find the humans and then Baltar's Six telling him it is the reckoning when the ships land on New Caprica). In this case it forced Romo to be pissed at the loss of his cat and force Lee to take up the mantle of President and help the truce to occur. [[User:Chris etd|Chris etd]] 03:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== These Angels Making Life In This Galaxy Boringly Homogenous. ==

I slept on this, but my original impression after watching Daybreak Park # 2 is that these Angels make things boring:

They create pidgins, dogs, cats, foxes, people, oranges, tuna, et cetera. I would not be surprised if the Angels dropped a big rock on the dinosaurs just so they can have a clean slate for creating rats.

Once they create people, they make the people invent pianos, worship Zeus, Yahweh, Thor, et cetera. They make the people play “All Along The Watchtower”. They see to it that the people create Cylons.

We are not descended from apes, but from # 8s — a little wordplay because 8 and ape sound similar. the mitochondrial DNA of the # 8s is so similar to that of Homo '' neanderthalensis '' that we apparently have a common ancestor, Homo '' heidelbergensis '' half a million years ago even though that is impossible.

If we explore the Galaxy, will only find humans and cylons. ¿What is the point? ¿Why bother exploring?

Arthur C. Clarke in '' 2001 '' had a similar idea of lonely aliens helping intelligent life evolve, but the beings did not care about the final form. In other words, diversity is the rule in '' 2001. ''

We still do not know the nature of these Angels other than that Starbuck seems to be one of them

I do not know how this fits into the article, but it fits into the article somehow. I figure that I should but this on the talkpages for '' Virtual Beings '' and '' Daybreak # 2. '' {{unsigned|Walabio}}

:It is what it is, Walabio. :) For further discussion about the episode that's not relevant to the quality and content of the article's editorial content, perhaps you should redirect (and reproduce) your thoughts on the [http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=3050 talk thread] for the episode on the Battlestar Forum. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Rename to "Messengers"==
Hey guys, I was thinking, given the mention that RDM referred to them as "the messengers" in the podcast for No Exit and the fact that they are confirmed to be supernatural, without necessarily being angels or demons, that perhaps we should change the article name to more accurately reflect what they are.

"Virtual beings" has worked until now, because we didn't know if they were truly something supernatural, but since we now know they aren't, and we have a fairly decent term (from a good enough source) I think it might be fair to say that it's time to change to the more accurate term. Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 02:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Actually, no they have not been "confirmed to be supernatural." All we know is that they are messengers of an entity that does not like to be called "God." -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 06:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Good idea. The term "messengers" is certainly more semi-official than "virtual beings", a term which doesn't actually make that much sense. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Strictly, the in-show term for them is Angels. This is what H6 calls herself, this is what Baltar calls them. In the writers room they were "head characters" and then called messengers in a podcast. Nothing is a clear winner, though as Caprica adds VR to the galactiverse, the term virtual may become less than ideal.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Virtual Baltar doesn't work for God ==

This paragraph is not strictly true and has been interpreted:

<i>The two discuss the cycle of life and Virtual Baltar chides Virtual Six for calling the being they work for God, as it apparently doesn't like being called that. Virtual Baltar has the series last line, which is a response to Virtual Six's stern look: "silly me.... silly, silly me." The two then walk off together into present day New York City. </i>

I suggest something more general and more literal because the last scene could also be interpreted as such:

The two discuss the cycle of life and Virtual Six declares she is optimistic about the future. Upon being asked why by Virtual Baltar, she declares that its a mathematical probability and THAT is part of God's plan. To which he jokingly appears affronted, saying menacingly; "You know he doesn't like that name.", insinuating that mathematical probability is actually part of his bosses, the Devil's, plan. When she retorts by way of a look of disdain, he feigns an apology, saying; "silly me .... silly, silly me."

even though it may be fanwankery, I still believe the former paragraph is an 'interpretation' of the ending, not statement of fact. It could be re-written more generally and literally to avoid interpretation that they BOTH work for God.--
[[User:Barstuck|Barstuck]] 19:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
*I don't think we should change it, I think that's the most simple and basic interpretation that the scene could have. Not to mention, of course, that RDM confirmed in an interview that the scene was meant to make the audience question the nature of "the Cylon God", so they were both definitely talking about the same entity, regardless of what this is. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
** I suppose we have to expect there to be information from outside the show on the show's own wiki. But I like how wikipedia stated it. More loose - more open to the viewer's interpretation, and a satisfying factual explanation. I'll leave it at that. Thanks.--[[User:Barstuck|Barstuck]] 00:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know which wikipedia article you may be referring to, but after looking over the article I realized that there are quite a few things that feel a bit....decisive, given the nature of their revelation. The main thing is that Moore specifically mentions wanting them being ambiguous beings working for an ambiguous power, yet the article doesn't necessarily reflect that, especially by referring to them as "angels" (which is, I'll admit, the only thing HS ever called herself, and what other characters called them near the end).
: Do note that that conversation was truncated from the original script, which was shown in the readthrough video in Eick's podcast. The "silly me" line refers to Head Baltar's question as to what the stakes are in a bet over whether humanity destroys itself again.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Still, this connects more with my point above of changing the article title (and the references to "angels" and "virtual beings") into "Messengers", which, as mentioned before, is the "most official" and honestly most accurate term that would also serve to maintain the ambiguity. The other factor affecting this would be "God", but honestly there's little we can do with that and I think that the perviously suggested change might be enough to make it, without removing the references to them being "angels" by other characters (though not forgetting their ambiguity in the text). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Messengers/Archive 1

2009-04-19T00:18:36Z

Bradtem: /* Virtual Baltar doesn't work for God */

:''For discussions prior to March 14, 2007, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Virtual_beings&oldid=110913 see this revision.]''

== Major revision ==

This article was strewn with theories and [[BW:FANW|fanwankery]] that cluttered the article. With the revelations of season 3, what is known about the nature of the virtual Six and Baltar reduces the probability of earlier speculation. Recent contributions have been more of possibility that is hardly supported by aired content, and reading the article as a whole was nearly impossible. As well, the article repeated informaation already present in the episode guides or a more relevant article. I have rewritten the article to keep sole focus on the origins, motivations and behavior of the virtual beings, removing all previous irrelevant, incorrect or otherwise inappropriate content on their nature or history.

As this article deals with the virtual beings related to Cylon activity, I eliminated the text on other character visions; they are more suited for a separate article to keep topics from blending.

With major revisions like this, there is always a possibility that something significant was lost. Contributors should feel free to add in significant notes of the virtual beings, but please do not repeat every instance of the being's presence or interject speculation that is not supported with episode content. The article, in my opinion and recommendation, should focus more on what they do to the actual characters and less on their nature until the show reveals more of their origin. Again, please be careful about excessive speculation; "theories" per se are not acceptable on Battlestar Wiki. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Virtual Baltar Episodes ==

In the major edit, I botched the episode citation for virtual Baltar's visit to C-Six in her jail cell. One or both of the episode citations I noted are wrong. Corrections to this information are appreciated. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:The visit is in "The Woman King". That's where the two kiss and they wonder what's going on.--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

About this: "Neither character has revealed the presence of these images to each other or any other character as of the episode, "[[The Woman King]]" (where the virtual Baltar makes an appearance)."<br/>
Does this mean that it is the first instance where another character (here Roslin) really wonders what one of them is doing? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

:It should say "Neither character has revealed the existence (...)." Other characters have witnessed the strange behavior, but to my memory, only Roslin has verbally wondered. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Baltar and his Virtual Baltar ==

Virtual Baltar has appeared to Baltar. -- [[User:LicensedLunacy|LicensedLunacy]] 16:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that Baltar seeing himself is just a unique way to convey he is thinking/ talking to himself, considering his options. [[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]]

: That might be a good way to look at it... Actually, it might be another part of his psyche he's talking to. It can be said that Virtual Six is the part of his subconscious mind, trying to deal with the fact that he's responsible for so many people's deaths in another light. But that's a topic for discussion at a [http://www.battlestarforum.com forum]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

==Virtual Leoben==
Shouldn't we add virtual Leoben? He's sort of important I'd say, and is not a part of Kara...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

:That's a good question. I would say "yes" but that also introduces other dream-related visions such as the ones I removed. I recommend "no" as the article should limit itself to visions that are experienced by characters in real-time and not while unconscious (sleeping or otherwise). That's my opinion and is open for more scrutiny. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:No. There is a good chance that Head-Six and Head-Baltar are somehow Cylon-related. That chance is not so great with Maelstrom Leoben, since IMHO it's more likely just a representation of her own subconscious and not in any way whatsoever related to the real Leoben (it even says so in the episode). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:04, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::Maybe we should add at least a note about Maelstrom Leoben and A Day in Life Carolanne, though? 12:37, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I concur with Serenity. The virtuals are definitely a unexpected (and unrevealed) side-effect of Cylon technology, that much is certain. The virtual Leoben ''isn't'' a Cylon, and doesn't appear in real time. He needs a separate article (and deserves it). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:00, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::::I've created a [[virtual Leoben]] article and updated the relevant pages where he it cited. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:00, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::::I have to disagree that the virtual Six and Baltar are definitely, or even probably, a result of Cylon technology. Their nature is as unknown as the virtual Leoben's. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:37, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

==Cylon Tech==
Isn't this line: "Since the effect appears to occur only between Caprica-Six and Gaius Baltar, it is possible that their visions are an unknown side-effect of Cylon technology," complete specualtion? I think it should be removed, but before doing so, I thought I'd check to make sure there wasn't any concensus I wasn't aware of. If it happened with the other six members of the [[Significant Seven]] (or even a majority of them) I wouldn't have as much of a problem, but as it's only happened with Six and Baltar I think it's out of place. If anything, a more appropriate stateent would be something like it's an unkown side-effect of cylon-human intimacy.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:09, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
:The way you phrase is still speculation, but is more precise to what we know, and would be more appropriate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]
::I completely agree, and I'd rather remove it outright, but was trying to be diplomatic. I'm going to remove it completely.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 10:25, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

== Virtual Ellen? ==

How is she different from Bill's hallucination of [[Carolanne Adama]] in "[[A Day in the Life]]"? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, it could just be a normal hallucination. This might be more, but until it is confirmed, pushing her appearance so clearly into the direction of the virtual beings is POV. I reworded the section to make it more neutral and less certain. The term "Virtual Ellen" shouldn't be used so freely and always in quotation marks. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:It depends. I have a feeling we'll see more of her in future episodes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Tigh could even be [[projection|projecting]] her onto Caprica Six (seems a bit the wrong way round to me :D) but that doesn't make her a being like V.Six or V.Baltar who are all mystical or whatnot. Ellen's words and actions all seem to be what Caprica said and did anyway, wheras V.Six and V.Baltar are separate entities. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::That's definitely a possibility. Maybe doing a "hallucinations" article would suffice... which would be a bit ironic, given that this article itself came from an article on Cylon based hallucinations, if I recall correctly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::You do. We used to describe hallucinations here, only to discover they were all virtual beings, and renamed the article accordingly. With Adama and Tigh hallucinating about their wives, that may not have been that good a choice (in hindsight). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 23:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I suggest we move the "Virtual Ellen" section into the [[Ellen Tigh]] article until we have a reason to believe she is anything other than a hallucination/projection. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it would be more appropriate here or in the Saul Tigh article. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==Virtual?==

I think the fact that we've seen direct physical intervention by "Virtual" Six onscreen in [[Escape Velocity]] throws the whole "virtual" concept right out the window. Could explain the sudden disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina]] after their respective acts, as well. One could also infer some serious intervention on the part of "Virtual" Leoben during Starbuck's "death" but that's even further speculation. Anyway, just a thought I felt was worth mentioning. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 20:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:She only interacted with Baltar. We've seen her push him into a wall or mirror before, so we know that she can force him to move in a certain way. I don't see how that makes her any less "virtual," since she exists in his mind. And Gina didn't suddenly dissapear, she blew herself up. [[User:INH|INH]] 02:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The footage clearly shows intervention ... he's held up and forced towards the marines, moving quite unnaturally. Yes, Gina blew herself up, but I'm referring to how she removed herself from ''Pegasus'' after killing Cain. I'd love some episode reference for "We've seen her push him into a wall or mirror before" so I can review it. Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 02:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
: Right, she's still virtual, and we don't really see whether or not Baltar's feet make it off the ground. I'm sure they did some wire work in the scene, but we don't really know what we're supposed to believe... This is where a podcast would definitely help. The only one that disappears unexpectedly is Shelly, and she could have easily flushed herself out an airlock, given how they aren't guarded. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
: While it's the most extreme seemingly physical interaction so far, this isn't really too different from what happens in ''[[w:Fight Club|Fight Club]]'' for example, and not completely impossible to do alone. While it seems that he is held in the air, it's not actually shown. Could be either. Sure, it might be more, but it's not ''that'' certain. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::IMO anything which happens while Virtual Six is visible should be considered unreliable. In other words, I think that only movements which Baltar could not plasibly make under his own power occuring while Virtual Six is not in the shot should be considered conclusive evidence of physical interaction. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::I don't at all like the implication of an invisible "Six" physically lifting Baltar, but we have to acknowledge that setting up the shot the way they did was not at all trivial, and must have been done for a reason. Whether this was intended to be dramatic (and thus, demands a literal interpretation) or comic (and thus, just a sight gag) is unclear - it's a mirthless episode, but Olmos's previous episodes have demonstrated a taste for comedy. If it we have to interpret it literally, well, that's a challenge. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::To counter the point, had Baltar been lifted "off the ground", we'd see a variety of shocked reactions from those who witnessed this otherworldly event. So not only do we have to gauge what we see Baltar doing, but we also have to look at the entire picture. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::I dont understand how this is in question. IIRC from the podcast for the episode..James Callis did all the movements under his own power..if the actor could do them, why is it in question the the character couldn't do them? Also from the podcast, Ron complained that the intent was not to look like he was lifted but under his own power. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Virtual > Head ==

Pretty much every official source I see (including RDM's podcast) uses the phrases "Head-Six", and "Head-Baltar" rather than "Virtual". Shouldn't we follow suit? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 20:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Lacks gravitas, but does seem more standard. What does RDM call them in the podcasts? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::He calls them Head-Six and Head-Baltar. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 05:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:We can use both. And note the terminology here. But there isn't really much point in changing it throughout the wiki. I don't think it's too confusing to use both for some variety. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::We should use both. "Head" is more colloquial but also has a loose ungrammatical and perjorative nature I find weird. I see "virtual" around the fansphere just as well. For this article and throughout the wiki, "virtual" should be used but references to "head" (yes, please) should be redirects to here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Such redirects are already in place :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't agree that we should use "Head-Six" and "Head-Baltar". Frankly, this already presupposes that these are figments of a person's imagination; virtual is more ambiguous, and has a wider-range of meanings than "head" (which is another way of saying "glorified imaginary friend". So, Ron uses it... then again, he and Eick have diluted themselves into believing that "Hero" fits snugly into continuity when we all know that isn't the case. So... time to put on those critical thinking caps. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Virtual Cat ==

I find it curious that [[Romo Lampkin]]'s virtual cat from [[Sine Qua Non]] isn't listed. Is this an oversight or is it deliberate? There can be no question that the cat was indeed virtual. That cat had been dead for a long enough time for Lee to question its time of death. The cat is never seen by Lee. Romo is the only one to interact with the cat, and then, only by voice.
--[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because there's a difference between a virtual being and a mere hallucination. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I havent seen this distinction in the show. No virtual being has given any character any information that they didnt already know, or could have reasonably deduced by themselves. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::The Virtual Six lifted Baltar off the ground in a manner that was physically impossible for him to do on his own. There are other examples too. The virtual beings aren't mere hallucinations. The presence of extra-corporeal entities and/or spiritual powers in this show is all but spelled out in giant letters for the audience. [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 08:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Not so. Baltar had no way of knowing that Hera would arrive or of her connection to the Opera House. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How could have a cylon known about the birth of hara? And if james callis could do the moves without outside assistence, so could baltar. And havent you noticed that when Ron Moore hits you over the head with a concept, its often wrong? And this still doesn't rule out a virtual cat. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 07:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::What Cylon? Virtual Six isn't a Cylon. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:: I agree that it is a virtual being (or the virtual being as it has not been disproved that they are different, and when questioned on it the subject it was deflected, possibly the Cylon God). My reasoning for this is that every encounter with one has moved the story on often with a purpose (e.g. Baltar's Six being pissed at him for comforting Gina then telling him “God will not forgive this sin”, Caprica's Baltar for telling her to find the humans and then Baltar's Six telling him it is the reckoning when the ships land on New Caprica). In this case it forced Romo to be pissed at the loss of his cat and force Lee to take up the mantle of President and help the truce to occur. [[User:Chris etd|Chris etd]] 03:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== These Angels Making Life In This Galaxy Boringly Homogenous. ==

I slept on this, but my original impression after watching Daybreak Park # 2 is that these Angels make things boring:

They create pidgins, dogs, cats, foxes, people, oranges, tuna, et cetera. I would not be surprised if the Angels dropped a big rock on the dinosaurs just so they can have a clean slate for creating rats.

Once they create people, they make the people invent pianos, worship Zeus, Yahweh, Thor, et cetera. They make the people play “All Along The Watchtower”. They see to it that the people create Cylons.

We are not descended from apes, but from # 8s — a little wordplay because 8 and ape sound similar. the mitochondrial DNA of the # 8s is so similar to that of Homo '' neanderthalensis '' that we apparently have a common ancestor, Homo '' heidelbergensis '' half a million years ago even though that is impossible.

If we explore the Galaxy, will only find humans and cylons. ¿What is the point? ¿Why bother exploring?

Arthur C. Clarke in '' 2001 '' had a similar idea of lonely aliens helping intelligent life evolve, but the beings did not care about the final form. In other words, diversity is the rule in '' 2001. ''

We still do not know the nature of these Angels other than that Starbuck seems to be one of them

I do not know how this fits into the article, but it fits into the article somehow. I figure that I should but this on the talkpages for '' Virtual Beings '' and '' Daybreak # 2. '' {{unsigned|Walabio}}

:It is what it is, Walabio. :) For further discussion about the episode that's not relevant to the quality and content of the article's editorial content, perhaps you should redirect (and reproduce) your thoughts on the [http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=3050 talk thread] for the episode on the Battlestar Forum. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Rename to "Messengers"==
Hey guys, I was thinking, given the mention that RDM referred to them as "the messengers" in the podcast for No Exit and the fact that they are confirmed to be supernatural, without necessarily being angels or demons, that perhaps we should change the article name to more accurately reflect what they are.

"Virtual beings" has worked until now, because we didn't know if they were truly something supernatural, but since we now know they aren't, and we have a fairly decent term (from a good enough source) I think it might be fair to say that it's time to change to the more accurate term. Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 02:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Actually, no they have not been "confirmed to be supernatural." All we know is that they are messengers of an entity that does not like to be called "God." -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 06:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Good idea. The term "messengers" is certainly more semi-official than "virtual beings", a term which doesn't actually make that much sense. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Strictly, the in-show term for them is Angels. This is what H6 calls herself, this is what Baltar calls them. In the writers room they were "head characters" and then called messengers in a podcast. Nothing is a clear winner, though as Caprica adds VR to the galactiverse, the term virtual may become less than ideal.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Virtual Baltar doesn't work for God ==

This paragraph is not strictly true and has been interpreted:

<i>The two discuss the cycle of life and Virtual Baltar chides Virtual Six for calling the being they work for God, as it apparently doesn't like being called that. Virtual Baltar has the series last line, which is a response to Virtual Six's stern look: "silly me.... silly, silly me." The two then walk off together into present day New York City. </i>

I suggest something more general and more literal because the last scene could also be interpreted as such:

The two discuss the cycle of life and Virtual Six declares she is optimistic about the future. Upon being asked why by Virtual Baltar, she declares that its a mathematical probability and THAT is part of God's plan. To which he jokingly appears affronted, saying menacingly; "You know he doesn't like that name.", insinuating that mathematical probability is actually part of his bosses, the Devil's, plan. When she retorts by way of a look of disdain, he feigns an apology, saying; "silly me .... silly, silly me."

even though it may be fanwankery, I still believe the former paragraph is an 'interpretation' of the ending, not statement of fact. It could be re-written more generally and literally to avoid interpretation that they BOTH work for God.--
[[User:Barstuck|Barstuck]] 19:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
*I don't think we should change it, I think that's the most simple and basic interpretation that the scene could have. Not to mention, of course, that RDM confirmed in an interview that the scene was meant to make the audience question the nature of "the Cylon God", so they were both definitely talking about the same entity, regardless of what this is. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
** I suppose we have to expect there to be information from outside the show on the show's own wiki. But I like how wikipedia stated it. More loose - more open to the viewer's interpretation, and a satisfying factual explanation. I'll leave it at that. Thanks.--[[User:Barstuck|Barstuck]] 00:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know which wikipedia article you may be referring to, but after looking over the article I realized that there are quite a few things that feel a bit....decisive, given the nature of their revelation. The main thing is that Moore specifically mentions wanting them being ambiguous beings working for an ambiguous power, yet the article doesn't necessarily reflect that, especially by referring to them as "angels" (which is, I'll admit, the only thing HS ever called herself, and what other characters called them near the end).
: Do note that that conversation was truncated from the original script, which was shown in the readthrough video in Eick's podcast. The "silly me" line refers to Baltar's question as to what the stakes are in a bet over whether humanity destroys itself again.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Still, this connects more with my point above of changing the article title (and the references to "angels" and "virtual beings") into "Messengers", which, as mentioned before, is the "most official" and honestly most accurate term that would also serve to maintain the ambiguity. The other factor affecting this would be "God", but honestly there's little we can do with that and I think that the perviously suggested change might be enough to make it, without removing the references to them being "angels" by other characters (though not forgetting their ambiguity in the text). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Messengers/Archive 1

2009-04-19T00:16:18Z

Bradtem: /* Rename to "Messengers" */

:''For discussions prior to March 14, 2007, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Virtual_beings&oldid=110913 see this revision.]''

== Major revision ==

This article was strewn with theories and [[BW:FANW|fanwankery]] that cluttered the article. With the revelations of season 3, what is known about the nature of the virtual Six and Baltar reduces the probability of earlier speculation. Recent contributions have been more of possibility that is hardly supported by aired content, and reading the article as a whole was nearly impossible. As well, the article repeated informaation already present in the episode guides or a more relevant article. I have rewritten the article to keep sole focus on the origins, motivations and behavior of the virtual beings, removing all previous irrelevant, incorrect or otherwise inappropriate content on their nature or history.

As this article deals with the virtual beings related to Cylon activity, I eliminated the text on other character visions; they are more suited for a separate article to keep topics from blending.

With major revisions like this, there is always a possibility that something significant was lost. Contributors should feel free to add in significant notes of the virtual beings, but please do not repeat every instance of the being's presence or interject speculation that is not supported with episode content. The article, in my opinion and recommendation, should focus more on what they do to the actual characters and less on their nature until the show reveals more of their origin. Again, please be careful about excessive speculation; "theories" per se are not acceptable on Battlestar Wiki. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Virtual Baltar Episodes ==

In the major edit, I botched the episode citation for virtual Baltar's visit to C-Six in her jail cell. One or both of the episode citations I noted are wrong. Corrections to this information are appreciated. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:The visit is in "The Woman King". That's where the two kiss and they wonder what's going on.--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:00, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

About this: "Neither character has revealed the presence of these images to each other or any other character as of the episode, "[[The Woman King]]" (where the virtual Baltar makes an appearance)."<br/>
Does this mean that it is the first instance where another character (here Roslin) really wonders what one of them is doing? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

:It should say "Neither character has revealed the existence (...)." Other characters have witnessed the strange behavior, but to my memory, only Roslin has verbally wondered. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Baltar and his Virtual Baltar ==

Virtual Baltar has appeared to Baltar. -- [[User:LicensedLunacy|LicensedLunacy]] 16:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that Baltar seeing himself is just a unique way to convey he is thinking/ talking to himself, considering his options. [[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]]

: That might be a good way to look at it... Actually, it might be another part of his psyche he's talking to. It can be said that Virtual Six is the part of his subconscious mind, trying to deal with the fact that he's responsible for so many people's deaths in another light. But that's a topic for discussion at a [http://www.battlestarforum.com forum]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

==Virtual Leoben==
Shouldn't we add virtual Leoben? He's sort of important I'd say, and is not a part of Kara...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

:That's a good question. I would say "yes" but that also introduces other dream-related visions such as the ones I removed. I recommend "no" as the article should limit itself to visions that are experienced by characters in real-time and not while unconscious (sleeping or otherwise). That's my opinion and is open for more scrutiny. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:No. There is a good chance that Head-Six and Head-Baltar are somehow Cylon-related. That chance is not so great with Maelstrom Leoben, since IMHO it's more likely just a representation of her own subconscious and not in any way whatsoever related to the real Leoben (it even says so in the episode). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:04, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::Maybe we should add at least a note about Maelstrom Leoben and A Day in Life Carolanne, though? 12:37, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I concur with Serenity. The virtuals are definitely a unexpected (and unrevealed) side-effect of Cylon technology, that much is certain. The virtual Leoben ''isn't'' a Cylon, and doesn't appear in real time. He needs a separate article (and deserves it). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:00, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::::I've created a [[virtual Leoben]] article and updated the relevant pages where he it cited. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:00, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::::I have to disagree that the virtual Six and Baltar are definitely, or even probably, a result of Cylon technology. Their nature is as unknown as the virtual Leoben's. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:37, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

==Cylon Tech==
Isn't this line: "Since the effect appears to occur only between Caprica-Six and Gaius Baltar, it is possible that their visions are an unknown side-effect of Cylon technology," complete specualtion? I think it should be removed, but before doing so, I thought I'd check to make sure there wasn't any concensus I wasn't aware of. If it happened with the other six members of the [[Significant Seven]] (or even a majority of them) I wouldn't have as much of a problem, but as it's only happened with Six and Baltar I think it's out of place. If anything, a more appropriate stateent would be something like it's an unkown side-effect of cylon-human intimacy.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:09, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
:The way you phrase is still speculation, but is more precise to what we know, and would be more appropriate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]
::I completely agree, and I'd rather remove it outright, but was trying to be diplomatic. I'm going to remove it completely.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 10:25, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

== Virtual Ellen? ==

How is she different from Bill's hallucination of [[Carolanne Adama]] in "[[A Day in the Life]]"? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, it could just be a normal hallucination. This might be more, but until it is confirmed, pushing her appearance so clearly into the direction of the virtual beings is POV. I reworded the section to make it more neutral and less certain. The term "Virtual Ellen" shouldn't be used so freely and always in quotation marks. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:It depends. I have a feeling we'll see more of her in future episodes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Tigh could even be [[projection|projecting]] her onto Caprica Six (seems a bit the wrong way round to me :D) but that doesn't make her a being like V.Six or V.Baltar who are all mystical or whatnot. Ellen's words and actions all seem to be what Caprica said and did anyway, wheras V.Six and V.Baltar are separate entities. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::That's definitely a possibility. Maybe doing a "hallucinations" article would suffice... which would be a bit ironic, given that this article itself came from an article on Cylon based hallucinations, if I recall correctly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::You do. We used to describe hallucinations here, only to discover they were all virtual beings, and renamed the article accordingly. With Adama and Tigh hallucinating about their wives, that may not have been that good a choice (in hindsight). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 23:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I suggest we move the "Virtual Ellen" section into the [[Ellen Tigh]] article until we have a reason to believe she is anything other than a hallucination/projection. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it would be more appropriate here or in the Saul Tigh article. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==Virtual?==

I think the fact that we've seen direct physical intervention by "Virtual" Six onscreen in [[Escape Velocity]] throws the whole "virtual" concept right out the window. Could explain the sudden disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina]] after their respective acts, as well. One could also infer some serious intervention on the part of "Virtual" Leoben during Starbuck's "death" but that's even further speculation. Anyway, just a thought I felt was worth mentioning. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 20:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:She only interacted with Baltar. We've seen her push him into a wall or mirror before, so we know that she can force him to move in a certain way. I don't see how that makes her any less "virtual," since she exists in his mind. And Gina didn't suddenly dissapear, she blew herself up. [[User:INH|INH]] 02:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The footage clearly shows intervention ... he's held up and forced towards the marines, moving quite unnaturally. Yes, Gina blew herself up, but I'm referring to how she removed herself from ''Pegasus'' after killing Cain. I'd love some episode reference for "We've seen her push him into a wall or mirror before" so I can review it. Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 02:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
: Right, she's still virtual, and we don't really see whether or not Baltar's feet make it off the ground. I'm sure they did some wire work in the scene, but we don't really know what we're supposed to believe... This is where a podcast would definitely help. The only one that disappears unexpectedly is Shelly, and she could have easily flushed herself out an airlock, given how they aren't guarded. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
: While it's the most extreme seemingly physical interaction so far, this isn't really too different from what happens in ''[[w:Fight Club|Fight Club]]'' for example, and not completely impossible to do alone. While it seems that he is held in the air, it's not actually shown. Could be either. Sure, it might be more, but it's not ''that'' certain. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::IMO anything which happens while Virtual Six is visible should be considered unreliable. In other words, I think that only movements which Baltar could not plasibly make under his own power occuring while Virtual Six is not in the shot should be considered conclusive evidence of physical interaction. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::I don't at all like the implication of an invisible "Six" physically lifting Baltar, but we have to acknowledge that setting up the shot the way they did was not at all trivial, and must have been done for a reason. Whether this was intended to be dramatic (and thus, demands a literal interpretation) or comic (and thus, just a sight gag) is unclear - it's a mirthless episode, but Olmos's previous episodes have demonstrated a taste for comedy. If it we have to interpret it literally, well, that's a challenge. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::To counter the point, had Baltar been lifted "off the ground", we'd see a variety of shocked reactions from those who witnessed this otherworldly event. So not only do we have to gauge what we see Baltar doing, but we also have to look at the entire picture. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::I dont understand how this is in question. IIRC from the podcast for the episode..James Callis did all the movements under his own power..if the actor could do them, why is it in question the the character couldn't do them? Also from the podcast, Ron complained that the intent was not to look like he was lifted but under his own power. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Virtual > Head ==

Pretty much every official source I see (including RDM's podcast) uses the phrases "Head-Six", and "Head-Baltar" rather than "Virtual". Shouldn't we follow suit? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 20:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Lacks gravitas, but does seem more standard. What does RDM call them in the podcasts? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::He calls them Head-Six and Head-Baltar. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 05:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:We can use both. And note the terminology here. But there isn't really much point in changing it throughout the wiki. I don't think it's too confusing to use both for some variety. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::We should use both. "Head" is more colloquial but also has a loose ungrammatical and perjorative nature I find weird. I see "virtual" around the fansphere just as well. For this article and throughout the wiki, "virtual" should be used but references to "head" (yes, please) should be redirects to here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Such redirects are already in place :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't agree that we should use "Head-Six" and "Head-Baltar". Frankly, this already presupposes that these are figments of a person's imagination; virtual is more ambiguous, and has a wider-range of meanings than "head" (which is another way of saying "glorified imaginary friend". So, Ron uses it... then again, he and Eick have diluted themselves into believing that "Hero" fits snugly into continuity when we all know that isn't the case. So... time to put on those critical thinking caps. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Virtual Cat ==

I find it curious that [[Romo Lampkin]]'s virtual cat from [[Sine Qua Non]] isn't listed. Is this an oversight or is it deliberate? There can be no question that the cat was indeed virtual. That cat had been dead for a long enough time for Lee to question its time of death. The cat is never seen by Lee. Romo is the only one to interact with the cat, and then, only by voice.
--[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because there's a difference between a virtual being and a mere hallucination. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I havent seen this distinction in the show. No virtual being has given any character any information that they didnt already know, or could have reasonably deduced by themselves. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 04:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::The Virtual Six lifted Baltar off the ground in a manner that was physically impossible for him to do on his own. There are other examples too. The virtual beings aren't mere hallucinations. The presence of extra-corporeal entities and/or spiritual powers in this show is all but spelled out in giant letters for the audience. [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 08:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Not so. Baltar had no way of knowing that Hera would arrive or of her connection to the Opera House. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How could have a cylon known about the birth of hara? And if james callis could do the moves without outside assistence, so could baltar. And havent you noticed that when Ron Moore hits you over the head with a concept, its often wrong? And this still doesn't rule out a virtual cat. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 07:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::What Cylon? Virtual Six isn't a Cylon. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:: I agree that it is a virtual being (or the virtual being as it has not been disproved that they are different, and when questioned on it the subject it was deflected, possibly the Cylon God). My reasoning for this is that every encounter with one has moved the story on often with a purpose (e.g. Baltar's Six being pissed at him for comforting Gina then telling him “God will not forgive this sin”, Caprica's Baltar for telling her to find the humans and then Baltar's Six telling him it is the reckoning when the ships land on New Caprica). In this case it forced Romo to be pissed at the loss of his cat and force Lee to take up the mantle of President and help the truce to occur. [[User:Chris etd|Chris etd]] 03:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== These Angels Making Life In This Galaxy Boringly Homogenous. ==

I slept on this, but my original impression after watching Daybreak Park # 2 is that these Angels make things boring:

They create pidgins, dogs, cats, foxes, people, oranges, tuna, et cetera. I would not be surprised if the Angels dropped a big rock on the dinosaurs just so they can have a clean slate for creating rats.

Once they create people, they make the people invent pianos, worship Zeus, Yahweh, Thor, et cetera. They make the people play “All Along The Watchtower”. They see to it that the people create Cylons.

We are not descended from apes, but from # 8s — a little wordplay because 8 and ape sound similar. the mitochondrial DNA of the # 8s is so similar to that of Homo '' neanderthalensis '' that we apparently have a common ancestor, Homo '' heidelbergensis '' half a million years ago even though that is impossible.

If we explore the Galaxy, will only find humans and cylons. ¿What is the point? ¿Why bother exploring?

Arthur C. Clarke in '' 2001 '' had a similar idea of lonely aliens helping intelligent life evolve, but the beings did not care about the final form. In other words, diversity is the rule in '' 2001. ''

We still do not know the nature of these Angels other than that Starbuck seems to be one of them

I do not know how this fits into the article, but it fits into the article somehow. I figure that I should but this on the talkpages for '' Virtual Beings '' and '' Daybreak # 2. '' {{unsigned|Walabio}}

:It is what it is, Walabio. :) For further discussion about the episode that's not relevant to the quality and content of the article's editorial content, perhaps you should redirect (and reproduce) your thoughts on the [http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=3050 talk thread] for the episode on the Battlestar Forum. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Rename to "Messengers"==
Hey guys, I was thinking, given the mention that RDM referred to them as "the messengers" in the podcast for No Exit and the fact that they are confirmed to be supernatural, without necessarily being angels or demons, that perhaps we should change the article name to more accurately reflect what they are.

"Virtual beings" has worked until now, because we didn't know if they were truly something supernatural, but since we now know they aren't, and we have a fairly decent term (from a good enough source) I think it might be fair to say that it's time to change to the more accurate term. Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 02:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Actually, no they have not been "confirmed to be supernatural." All we know is that they are messengers of an entity that does not like to be called "God." -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 06:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Good idea. The term "messengers" is certainly more semi-official than "virtual beings", a term which doesn't actually make that much sense. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Strictly, the in-show term for them is Angels. This is what H6 calls herself, this is what Baltar calls them. In the writers room they were "head characters" and then called messengers in a podcast. Nothing is a clear winner, though as Caprica adds VR to the galactiverse, the term virtual may become less than ideal.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Virtual Baltar doesn't work for God ==

This paragraph is not strictly true and has been interpreted:

<i>The two discuss the cycle of life and Virtual Baltar chides Virtual Six for calling the being they work for God, as it apparently doesn't like being called that. Virtual Baltar has the series last line, which is a response to Virtual Six's stern look: "silly me.... silly, silly me." The two then walk off together into present day New York City. </i>

I suggest something more general and more literal because the last scene could also be interpreted as such:

The two discuss the cycle of life and Virtual Six declares she is optimistic about the future. Upon being asked why by Virtual Baltar, she declares that its a mathematical probability and THAT is part of God's plan. To which he jokingly appears affronted, saying menacingly; "You know he doesn't like that name.", insinuating that mathematical probability is actually part of his bosses, the Devil's, plan. When she retorts by way of a look of disdain, he feigns an apology, saying; "silly me .... silly, silly me."

even though it may be fanwankery, I still believe the former paragraph is an 'interpretation' of the ending, not statement of fact. It could be re-written more generally and literally to avoid interpretation that they BOTH work for God.--
[[User:Barstuck|Barstuck]] 19:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
*I don't think we should change it, I think that's the most simple and basic interpretation that the scene could have. Not to mention, of course, that RDM confirmed in an interview that the scene was meant to make the audience question the nature of "the Cylon God", so they were both definitely talking about the same entity, regardless of what this is. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
** I suppose we have to expect there to be information from outside the show on the show's own wiki. But I like how wikipedia stated it. More loose - more open to the viewer's interpretation, and a satisfying factual explanation. I'll leave it at that. Thanks.--[[User:Barstuck|Barstuck]] 00:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know which wikipedia article you may be referring to, but after looking over the article I realized that there are quite a few things that feel a bit....decisive, given the nature of their revelation. The main thing is that Moore specifically mentions wanting them being ambiguous beings working for an ambiguous power, yet the article doesn't necessarily reflect that, especially by referring to them as "angels" (which is, I'll admit, the only thing HS ever called herself, and what other characters called them near the end).

Still, this connects more with my point above of changing the article title (and the references to "angels" and "virtual beings") into "Messengers", which, as mentioned before, is the "most official" and honestly most accurate term that would also serve to maintain the ambiguity. The other factor affecting this would be "God", but honestly there's little we can do with that and I think that the perviously suggested change might be enough to make it, without removing the references to them being "angels" by other characters (though not forgetting their ambiguity in the text). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Messengers

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[[image:Tigh_Me_Up_Tigh_Me_Down-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|The virtual Six and Gaius Baltar in his lab aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.]]

'''Virtual beings'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> denote the curious virtual images seen by [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]].

The Season 3 episode "[[Torn]]" establishes the [[humanoid Cylon]] visualization process known as [[projection]]. In the [[Miniseries]] and Season 1, before the term "projection" was introduced, the character of [[Gaius Baltar]] has frequent visions of an image of his Cylon love interest from Caprica, now known as [[Caprica-Six]].

After her [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] from the Caprica mission, Caprica-Six herself is haunted by a virtual image of Gaius Baltar.

Neither character has revealed the presence of these images to each other or any other character as of the episode "[[Deadlock]]". Occasionally both Baltar and Caprica-Six have been viewed reacting to their virtual companions, either by talking to themselves or by physical reaction, though this has generally been discounted as general "oddness".

The personality of each image is often represented in the clothing that they wear. Virtual Six often appears in a revealing red dress, and the virtual Baltar appears in a pinstriped suit, apparently custom-tailored ([[Miniseries]], "[[Downloaded]]").

Each personality is not a copy of the original character's personality, but generally behaves as a militant version of the original. The Virtual Six espouses Cylon philosophy and [[Cylon Religion|religion]] in a zealous, unwavering manner. Likewise, the virtual Baltar often criticizes Caprica-Six when she attempts to rationalize the destruction of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] or other Cylon motivations. Both personalities tend to sway its actual opposite to side with their philosophy: For virtual Baltar, the need to become more human (and, like the actual Baltar himself, selfish); for virtual Six, worship of the Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]] and distancing Baltar from any opportunity to give support to the Colonial causes.

The purpose and origins of the visions experienced by Baltar and Caprica-Six have not been disclosed in aired episodes.

==Baltar's Virtual Six==
Baltar's virtual Six first appears as he escapes the destroyed world of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] on [[Sharon Valerii]]'s [[Raptor]] ([[Miniseries, Night 1]]).

[[Image:brainscan.jpg|left|thumb|Baltar receives his brain scan from Dr. [[Cottle]], as his virtual Six looks on in amusement.]]
Baltar initially believes that the virtual Six is a hallucination in its first few weeks of appearances, but later believes the virtual Six's initial suggestion that she is generated from a Cylon cybernetic implant. He disproves this notion when Doctor [[Cottle]] gives him a brain scan ([[Downloaded]]).

Baltar's virtual Six is aware of events, people and places that Baltar does not appear to know consciously. She tells him of a [[Cylon transponder]] hidden in ''Galactica's'' [[CIC]], and appears to aid him in his conversion from Colonial polytheism to Cylon monotheism through guiding him in how to destroy a Cylon [[tylium]] refinery ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). The source for virtual Six's data is unclear.

[[image:KobolHallu.jpg|right|thumb|Virtual Six and Baltar on Kobol.]]
Baltar's visions of Six not only have the Cylon appearing with him on ''[[Galactica]]'', but the two also envision themselves in Baltar's now-destroyed home, on the beach, and other locales. The virtual Six projection seems to be able to force Baltar to see additional items in his environment, such as the human skulls on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] as well as visions of the interior of the ancient [[Opera House]] and an image of what virtual Six believes to be a Cylon-human hybrid child. When an [[Hera Agathon|actual child]] does appear in the Fleet, the virtual Six claims it is her vision fulfilled ([[Downloaded]]).

Over time, Baltar is seen by some characters speaking to himself, which is often the case when he is speaking to Virtual Six. In several instances, the virtual Six appears to Baltar to be a physical entity, grabbing him by his clothes or body, or assisting him with objects ("[[Six Degrees of Separation]]", "[[Taking A Break From All Your Worries]]"). She has even demonstrated an ability to physically interact with Baltar. On one occasion, she pushed him into a bulkhead and grabbed him by the throat. In another example, she lifted him into a standing position after he was beaten by a Galactica marine ([[Escape Velocity]]). In both cases, this provoked reactions from other people.

The virtual Six has been present when Caprica-Six is near only twice. She is also conspicuously absent during [[Shelly Godfrey]]'s tenure on ''Galactica'' ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). The virtual Six seems to, for the most part, vanish during the period when Caprica-Six and Baltar renew their relationship on New Caprica. When Baltar is aboard a Cylon basestar, Caprica-Six explains the projection process to him while the virtual Six hints that this process is very similar to how she and Baltar communicate and that Baltar may himself be a Cylon ([[Torn]]). Virtual Six also appears to Baltar, when he discovers Hera under Maya's dead body and disappears when the real Number Six comes near Baltar and the baby ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

Virtual Six has a [[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|musical theme]], a simple 9-note motif with a staccato xylophone and some violins, which plays behind almost all her appearances. This theme also plays without Six present in "[[Rapture]]" after [[D'Anna Biers]] collapses in Baltar's arms after her vision of the [[Final Five]], until Baltar is clubbed by [[Galen Tyrol]].

From the end of Season 2 on, the virtual Six claims more often to be an angel from [[God (RDM)|God]].

==Caprica-Six's Virtual Baltar==
[[image:LBlt.jpg|thumb|left|Turnabout is fair play: Caprica-Six, the virtual Baltar and an actual [[Number Three]]]]

When a ''virtual Gaius Baltar'' appears to Caprica-Six in "Downloaded", the notion that the actual Gaius Baltar was part of a Cylon plan to manipulate him via the virtual Six is revealed to be highly unlikely, as other Cylons are unaware of him and do not mention the plan or its effects to Caprica-Six.

The virtual Baltar's appearance and demeanor is just as much an extreme opposite of the actual Baltar as the virtual Six's behavior is to Caprica-Six.

At her resurrection, the virtual Baltar immediately tells Caprica-Six that only she can see and hear him, and not to reveal what she sees to the other Cylons present. The virtual Baltar is never asked by Caprica-Six about his origins.

The virtual Baltar confronts Caprica-Six with her guilt in the slaughter of billions of human beings, and with the logical error behind the Cylons' actions. Under the influence of the virtual Baltar, Caprica-Six speaks out against the war alongside another resurrected "[[hero of the Cylon]]", [[Sharon Valerii]]. The two forge a new [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|quasi-benevolent path]], [[Exodus, Part II|albeit temporarily]], for the Cylon race.

The revelation in "[[Torn]]" about the Cylons' projecting abilities suggests that the virtual Baltar is generated by Caprica-Six's own projection ability. Since the actual Baltar is not confirmed as a Cylon, the origins of his virtual Six are questioned by Dr. Baltar himself during the revelation of the principles of projection.

The virtual Baltar appears irregularly in seasons 2 and 3. In "[[The Woman King]]", Caprica-Six is observed by [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Tory Foster]] as Caprica-Six speaks and kisses the virtual Baltar, who is, of course, invisible to Roslin and Foster.

While Baltar's virtual Six claims to be an angel sent from God, Six's virtual Baltar seems to be contemptuous of the Cylons' concept of God ([[Downloaded]]). He is also described by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]] as more of a "devil" figure in Six's consciousness<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Downloaded|act=Three|id=|timestamp=|totalrunning=}}</ref>.

While the virtual Baltar acts mostly as a conversational foil for Six, in "[[Crossroads, Part I]]" he informs her that [[Saul Tigh]] has suffered the loss of a woman close to him, to assist Six in dealing with the interrogation by Tigh. It is uncertain how he or she obtained this information.

== Gaius Baltar's Virtual Baltar ==

After his ascension to [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] leader, Gaius Baltar encounters a well-dressed virtual version of himself after he meets [[Tory Foster]]. Baltar is initially shocked by his sudden appearance but eventually becomes amused by the idea of having himself as a conversational foil for once instead of Six. This virtual Baltar encourages him to engage in a relationship with Foster, claiming that she is "special," and guides him, after a fashion, through her covert interrogation attempt. This virtual Baltar does not elaborate on that point, but Baltar follows the virtual version's lead ([[Six of One]]).

It is unknown whether or not this virtual Baltar is the same one that Caprica-Six sees. Baltar asks if he is the virtual Six in another form, but the virtual Baltar points out that she would have little reason to disguise herself from Baltar.

As of the episode "[[Deadlock]]", Baltar has only encountered this manifestation once.

== Laura Roslin's Virtual Elosha ==
[[Laura Roslin]] converses with a being in the form of [[Elosha]] during what should be zero-time jump sequences on the way to the Resurrection Hub. ([[The Hub]]) This virtual being is unlike the others, in that not only do they interact outside the realm of others, it takes place during a time interval that should not exist. The being seems to have some knowledge of the future events, such as Roslin's death and the fact that [[William Adama]] waits for her, suggesting both reality for the being and the out-of-time conversations. Unlike Starbuck's Leoben, the experience is difficult to explain with unconscious dreaming or hallucination.

== The Final Five's Virtual Beings ==
After recovering his memories of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] due to being shot in the head, [[Samuel Anders]] reports that the [[Final Five]] were originally warned of impending nuclear destruction of Earth two thousand years earlier by images of people no one else could see. This information allowed them to prepare their recreation of [[Resurrection (RDM)|Cylon Resurrection]] and the ship on which they escaped in advance of the disaster. The one that appeared to Anders looked like a woman, the one that appeared to [[Tory Foster]] looked like a man. [[Galen Tyrol]], much like Gaius Baltar, thought he might have a neural chip ([[No Exit]]).

== Slick ==
[[Kara Thrace]] encounters a vision of her father<ref>[[Podcast:Someone to Watch Over Me]]</ref> going by the name of Slick, she does not recognize him as her father. As she spends time with him, she recalls playing the piano with her father. She assists him in composing a song and compares him to her father. While she plays the piano with him, she recalls playing the piano with her father as a child. She recalls a certain song, and notices that the score resembles one of [[Hera]]'s drawing. As she plays the song with him, [[Saul Tigh]] and [[Tory Foster]] recognize the song as [[The Music|the same song they heard at the Ionian Nebula]]. When Saul grabs her and asks her about the song, Slick vanishes ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]).

Slick presents a new form of virtual Being. Starbuck converses in a loud voice with Slick from the bar to the piano stage, but no other characters at the bar react in any way, unlike the way that other characters would notice Baltar having his quieter conversations with Virtual Six. Yet Starbuck is not unconscious as she may have been for her encounter with her virtual Leoben nor physically elsewhere. As she is led to play the opening strains of [[The Music]], she is really in the bar and really playing the piano, and is noticed by the Cylons, but there is no sign anybody has noticed her having one-sided conversations.

==Notes==
*The [[virtual Leoben|virtual "Leoben"]] that appears to [[Kara Thrace]] in the episode "[[Maelstrom]]" only appears to her in a vision while the pilot is unconscious. Since this virtual Leoben does not fit the Baltar-Six analogue, Battlestar Wiki considers him separately to the above.
*[[William Adama]] sees and converses with his [[Carolanne Adama|deceased ex-wife]] each year on their anniversary as demonstrated in "[[A Day in the Life]]". While the episode where this occurs shows William and Carolanne together in places and settings (ostensibly at their home on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]), this is a dramatic representation of Adama's ordinary imagination of what Carolanne may have thought about his predicament. As such, the visualizations of Carolanne Adama are ''not'' a virtual being similar to those above.
*[[Saul Tigh]] sees [[Ellen Tigh#Saul's "Virtual Ellen"|his dead wife]] in place of [[Caprica Six]] ([[Escape Velocity]]). This could be a simple hallucination, or, as Tigh is a [[humanoid Cylon]], an example of [[projection]].
*When holding a two thousand year-old, mangled mailbox hatch from the lobby of the Tighs' apartment building, Saul sees a dying Ellen again in a vision from his and her prior incarnations on Earth. Ellen is depicted in the vision as fully aware of their future reincarnations and the cyclical nature of their existence, which she prophesises for past-Saul in the moment before they both die. ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).
*In the fifth [[Razor Flashbacks|Razor Flashback]], while exploring the lab, Adama has a hallucination of a hand reaching out to grab him from a device similar to a [[resurrection tank|resurrection]] or [[Hybrid]] tank. However this could be a stress-induced hallucination. The same may be the case for the screaming prisoners in the lab, which could also be explained as a visualization for the audience. However, the voice Adama hears of the [[First Hybrid]] is the real voice, so this part at least is not a hallucination.
*Beginning in Season 3, Baltar's Virtual Six begins appearing less frequently, and makes only a few appearances in Season 4. A scene was filmed for "[[The Road Less Traveled]]" in which Virtual Six, stating that Baltar no longer needs her anymore, says goodbye to him and fades away; this scene was deleted (but included on the Season 4.0 DVD). Virtual Six reappeared after an absence of many episodes in "[[Deadlock]]", potentially rendering this deleted scene non-canonical.
*In the podcast for [[No Exit]], Ronald Moore refers to the Final Five's virtual beings as "the Messengers" and indicates that they are significant to the overall storyline.

== Official Statements ==
*When asked by a fan at a convention about the differences between this Baltar and the real Baltar, actor [[James Callis]] described Six’s Baltar as a man who “finally has his shit together.”<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNZZHl0Ls5U&mode=related&search=|title=James Callis (Gaius Baltar) Q&A FanExpo 2k6 - Part 3|date=September 04, 2006|accessdate=January 24, 2007|last=|first=|format=YouTube video|language=English}}</ref>. ('''Warning''': Video contains some explicit language)

* Callis mentioned at the same convention that his personal theory is that Baltar's internal Six is a being from another universe or higher plane of existence who only Baltar can interact with. This may relate back to the "angel" theory <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNZZHl0Ls5U&mode=related&search=|title=James Callis (Gaius Baltar) Q&A FanExpo 2k6 - Part 3|date=September 04, 2006|accessdate=January 24, 2007|last=|first=|format=YouTube video|language=English}}</ref>. ('''Warning''': Video contains some explicit language)

* Actress [[Tricia Helfer]] has said that she has long since given up on trying to figure out just what Baltar's internal Six is. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://tv.ign.com/articles/756/756477p1.html|title=IGN Interview: Battlestar Galactica's Tricia Helfer|date=January 18, 2007|accessdate=January 24, 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=English}}</ref> She believes Caprica-Six and Baltar both having internal counterparts is related to the scene from the [[Miniseries]] where she saves Baltar from the shock wave of the nuclear bomb that destroyed [[Caprica City]].

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Opera House

2009-02-20T08:23:15Z

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[[Image:Opera House ruins.jpg|thumb|300px|Ruins of the Opera House on Kobol.]]
The '''Opera House''' is an ancient structure in the [[City of the Gods]] on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], along with other edifices such as the [[Forum]] and [[Temple]]. By the time of the arrival of the Colonials, the building has been reduced to a few scattered ruins. As a sketch of this area of the city is included in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the building may have had religious significance.

==First Sight==

[[Image:OperaHouse inside.jpg|thumb|Inside the Opera House ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).]]
These are the ruins on Kobol near the crash site of [[Raptor 1]], which is forced to land on the planet after being damaged by a [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]] as it jumps into Kobol's orbit. Among the surviving passengers are [[Crashdown]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Tarn]], [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]], [[Cally]], [[Socinus]], and [[Gaius Baltar]].

==Baltar and Three==

Shortly after the Raptor crash on Kobol, the virtual [[Number Six]] leads Baltar towards the ruins of the Opera House, where viewers and Baltar see the Opera House as it was, millennia ago. It is in that virtual Opera House that Six shows Baltar an image of what she claims is their future [[Hera Agathon|child]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

Much later a [[Number Three]] would have similar visions of the Opera House and the [[Final Five]] within ([[Rapture]]).

==Roslin, Sharon, Hera, and Caprica-Six==

The Opera House is also seen in a dream or vision by President [[Laura Roslin]], induced by taking of [[chamalla]]. In the vision, [[Hera Agathon]] is scampering through the halls, pursued by both Roslin and her mother, [[Sharon Agathon]]. But before either can reach her, Hera is picked up by a [[Number Six]] wearing a white dress, ending the dream ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).

Just before the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] reaches the [[Ionian nebula]], Roslin visits the Opera House again while undergoing her [[Doloxan]] treatment (but still using chamalla as well) in [[sickbay]]. She and Sharon are still chasing Hera through the lobby. This time, however, when the Number Six picks the child up, she takes her through a set of doors. Roslin wakes up with to find that Sharon and Hera shared the vision, all three having awakened screaming simultaneously. Agathon and Roslin visit the captive [[Caprica-Six]], who confirms that she, too, had shared the dream.

At the Ionian nebula, Caprica-Six has yet another vision in the Opera House, where she, [[Gaius Baltar]] (possibly [[Virtual Baltar]] since the real Baltar is not seen waking from the vision), and baby Hera see the robed [[Final Five]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

It is prophesied by the rebel's Hybrid that the "dying leader shall know the truth of the Opera House" ([[Faith]]).

Later, Sharon Agathon runs after Hera through ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> hallways, where Hera runs into a Six known as [[Natalie]], thus mirroring what she saw in her visions of the Opera House. Fearing that Natalie will take away her daughter, like the Six in the dreams, Agathon shoots the Cylon ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]).

== Notes==
*The [[w:Orpheum (Vancouver)|Orpheum Theatre]] in Vancouver (where ''Battlestar Galactica'' is produced) provides the setting of the Opera House interior that Gaius Baltar sees in his dream (Source: [[The Official Companion]]).
*In the vision of the Opera House shown to Baltar by Six, there are eight white drapes (providing seven spaces for the significant seven?). When Number Three sees her vision of it, there are six drapes, with five glowing white-robed figures standing on the rightmost five (from her vantage point).
*While the [[Final Five]] in white robes are always depicted in the Opera House, in reality they probably never saw it or visited it, at least while it was intact. Their first trip to Kobol was by sub-light ship after the fall of both Kobol and the 13th Colony. If it was constructed before the departure of the 13th tribe, they may have seen photos or drawings.

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The Temple of Hopes

2009-02-20T08:12:33Z

Bradtem: Final five did not modify the temple, Ellen says

[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five.]] The '''Temple of Hopes''', known to the Colonials as the '''Temple of Five''', is a special [[Temple|temple]] built on the [[Algae planet|algae planet]] by the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] approximately 4,000 years before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. In a conflicting piece of data, [[Ellen Tigh]] one of the [[Final Five]] says it was 3,000 years years ago that it was built by people of the Thirteenth Tribe ([[No Exit]]).

Based on [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]]'s research from the [[Sacred Scrolls|Sacred Scrolls]], the five pentagonally-shaped pillars inside the temple were fashioned after [[Five priests|five priests]] devoted to "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|The One Whose Name Cannot Be (Spoken)]]." (Roslin never says the word "spoken.")

The [[Final Five]] visit the temple while retracing their tribe's trip from Kobol. As a result of sub-light travel, this visit takes place some number of years after the fall of the 13th colony and the similarly dated fall of Kobol. She describes it not as a temple of five priests, but as a temple built to pray for guidance on the trip to [[Earth (RDM)]]. [[Ellen Tigh]] tells [[Cavil]] that they did not modify the temple to make it devoted to them or to show their faces. She suggests this modification is the work of the "one true god." ([[No Exit]]).

The temple is rediscovered by [[Galen Tyrol|Galen Tyrol]], who mysteriously senses the Temple's presence in a nearby mountain side.

The [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] are interested in the location as well, guided by a [[Hybrid|Hybrid]]'s cryptic information on the location of the [[Eye of Jupiter|Eye of Jupiter]], an artifact that supposedly points the way to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. One Cylon, a [[Number Three|Number Three]], believes a correlation exists with the Temple and [[Final five|five missing Cylons lost to memory]]. The Colonials note that the Temple is related to five priests in some way, but Roslin's full detailing of their human connection to Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] is interrupted by another crisis.

The Eye's location, its form or purpose is sought by the Colonials and Cylons. Chief Tyrol studies the circular decorations, or mandalas, as well as ancient glyphs located on the central spire.

In fear of the Cylons capturing the site, the Colonials place multiple [[G-4|G-4]] packs around the central spire for use in the event of the Temple's imminent compromise ([[The Eye of Jupiter|The Eye of Jupiter]]).

After the algae planet's star begins to nova, Tyrol and other Colonials, watching the event after evacuating the Temple, realize that the dying star's appearance greatly resembles the Temple's mandala, indicating that the Eye of Jupiter is actually the star itself. The Colonials attempt to destroy the Temple, but a Cylon party has entered the structure moments earlier and removes the detonation caps from the explosives.

The star's light or another effect soon activates the mechanisms inside the Temple. The Number Three enters a shaft of light hitting one spot within the Temple, where she witnesses a persistent image of five beings she believes to be the [[Final Five|missing five Cylons]]. However, when the device deactivates, she dies on the spot. [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]] attempts to use the now inactive vision system after Three's death, but is captured by Chief Tyrol and eventually returned to ''[[Galactica|Galactica]]''.

As with much in the star system, the Temple of Five is destroyed as the nova's shockwave obliterates the planet. A review of the event by the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s leadership determines that the Thirteenth Tribe used the Temple of Five (and its star) as a visual reference to the next way point to Earth, the remains of a similar nova in the [[Ionian system|Ionian system]] ([[Rapture|Rapture]]).

== Related imagery ==

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Image:Temple of Five.jpg|[[Galen Tyrol]] at the Temple of Five.
Image:3x11 Temple of Five roof.jpg|The Temple of Five.
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== Notes ==

*According to the [[Podcast:The Eye of Jupiter|episode's podcast]], the interior of the Temple of Five is an abandoned potash silo within the [[:w:British_Columbia|British Columbia]] railyards. The location was previously used for the large ordnance storage room of [[Ragnar Anchorage|Ragnar Anchorage]] (where [[Aaron Doral|Aaron Doral]] is left behind in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]]).
*Galen Tyrol's discovery of the Temple of Five may be related to being one of the [[Final Five|Final Five]]; themselves having come from the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], according to the [[Hybrid|Hybrid]] in "[[Faith]]". The Five apparently visited it on their way to the Colonies so its location was in Tyrol's blocked Cylon memories. Those blocked memories may have subsconciously guided him there.

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Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)

2009-02-18T01:31:57Z

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:''This article is about the Thirteenth Tribe in the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For its [[Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Thirteenth Tribe (TOS)]].''
== Origin ==
The '''Thirteenth Tribe''' were a race of early generation [[Cylon (RDM)|Cylons]] that lived on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. They left their sister tribes and settled on Earth some 2,000 years before the remaining tribes left Kobol to form the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]])<ref>In "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", Tyrol says that "Our initial radiocarbon dating suggests that the temple's at least 4,000 years old, which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe." This is the oldest date noted in the series's timeline, but also conflicts with the prior date of [[Pythia]] and her works as described by [[Elosha]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", where she states that the exodus of '''all 13 tribes''' occurred approximately 2,000 years ago. Another contradiction occurs in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]", when Adama says that "According to Cottle, the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] was an exact match to one reported over 3000 years ago, right around the time that the 13th colony left Kobol." See also, [[Timeline (RDM)#Ancient History]].</ref>, some 4,000 years prior to the events of the [[Miniseries]].

:''"...The [[Sacred Scrolls]] tell that the 13th tribe left Kobol in the early days. They traveled far and made their home upon a planet called '''[[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]'''...which circled a distant and unknown star."'' ([[Miniseries]])

== Civilization ==
The Thirteenth Tribe consisted of [[Humanoid Cylons]] whose origin is unknown. With them there was also a distinct model of robotic Cylon, of which only the buried helmet has been seen.

While still on Kobol, Cylons had developed [[Resurrection_(RDM)|resurrection technology]]. This was lost during their stay on Earth as Cylons started to procreate naturally.

Roughly two millenia prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], Earth was devastated probably by a civil war. At that time a group of scientists, later known as the [[Final Five]], had worked very hard to reinvent resurrection. They had anticipated the obliteration and prepared a vessel in Earth's orbit they downloaded to in due time.

The five survivors, the last of the Thirteenth Tribe, went on a long trip using sub-luminal speed in search of the [[Twelve_Colonies_(RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] to warn them of the dangers of creating artificial life.

== Influence on Kobol ==
During some period, travel appears to have taken place from Earth to Kobol, as the [[Sacred Scrolls]] give an account of the journey to Earth. The effect of Earth on the 12 other tribes is significant, as [[Laura Roslin]] states that the star patterns from the Earth Zodiac shown in the 3D projection in the [[Tomb of Athena]] were used for the original flags of the Twelve Colonies, and the colonies' original names match the Earth names of the constellations ([[Home, Part II]]).

== Path to Earth ==

[[Image:Tombmap.jpg|left|thumb|The [[Tomb of Athena]] was the first marker on a path to Earth ([[Home, Part II]])]]
Commander [[William Adama]] falsely claims to know the location of Earth, using the lie to give the battered remnants of humanity a cause and reason to hope after their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|escape from the devastated Colonies]] ([[Miniseries]]). Later, through the [[Arrow of Apollo|efforts]] of President Roslin, Adama and others locate a tomb on Kobol, which reveals a map and sufficient references to point his [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to the true general coordinates of the legendary Thirteenth Colony of Earth ([[Home, Part II]]).

[[Image:3x6-Lion's-Head-beacon-1.jpg|right|thumb|A beacon near the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], left by the Thirteenth Tribe, but found by the Cylons ([[Torn]])]]
Over a year later, an [[Lion's Head beacon|ancient probe]], possibly the first tangible evidence of the Thirteenth Tribe's existence, is recovered by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] in the [[Lion's Head Nebula]]. The probe contains a [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] that proves particularly deadly to the Cylons on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] that recover it. The Cylons fear the virus so much that they abandon the baseship, moving their [[Resurrection Ship]] away to prevent any dying Cylons from resurrecting and transferring the bioelectric component of the pathogen to the Cylon populace. The probe is later destroyed after the baseship self-destructs ("[[Torn]]", "[[A Measure of Salvation]]").

The Thirteenth Tribe apparently has used one planet as a waystation in their journey. They settled on a [[algae planet|planet]] and built a [[Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] to pray for a path to their new home. Later, this temple was renamed in Colonial mythology to the "Temple of Five" and described as being dedicated to five priests that worshiped what was apparently a controversial deity. It is uncertain when this modification took place or who did it. Over 4,000 years later, the Temple of Five is discovered by the Fleet. The refugee Colonials believe that an artifact called the [[Eye of Jupiter]] resides there, which is another marker on the path to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).

[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|left|thumb|The [[Temple of Five]], a curious marker ([[Rapture]])]]
No such artifact actually exists, however. The Eye of Jupiter is, in fact, the image created by the planet's dying sun. A strange and highly improbable sequence of events occurs when both Cylon and Colonial forces meet at this unremarkable "algae planet" to find the legendary lost temple near the moment of the star's imminent nova. After they leave the system, the Colonials discover that the nova resembles another older nova that occurred in the time of the Thirteenth Tribe's exodus, located in the [[Ionian system]], and believe that they have found a new marker to Earth.

The Temple was apparently modified to allow an individual to see the faces of the [[Final Five]] as the star begins to nova. This modification was not done by the Final Five.<ref>The modifier was apparently very good at creating holographic and vision mechanisms. The [[Tomb of Athena]] used an apparent 3-D projection to all to show the initial path to Earth. The vision in the Temple, however, is not seen by Baltar which implies a different technology.</ref> A [[Number Three]] Cylon uses the device. Only [[Gaius Baltar]] witnesses this mechanism in use, but is reluctant to use it himself until it is too late, when the mechanism shuts down as the nova's light is replaced by the shadow of its shockwave ([[Rapture]]).

[[Image:Ionian Nebula.png|right|thumb|The Ionian nebula, where the turbulent events of the Season 3 finale take place.]]
As the Fleet approaches the Ionian nebula, four Colonials experience what they initially believe is a [[The Music|hallucination of fragments of music]]. [[Laura Roslin]], who has resumed the use of [[chamalla]] as part of her renewed fight against her cancer, begins to experience visions of the [[Opera House]] where she, an image of [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]] fight to retrieve an image of [[Hera Agathon]] running in the halls. Roslin and Agathon meet with the [[Rapture|incarcerated]] Caprica Six and realize that all three are experiencing the dream.

When the Fleet arrives at the nebula, Roslin nearly faints. The four crewmembers who experience the musical hallucination are drawn to each other and now hear not only a coherent melody but lyrics as well. The four realize that they are [[Final five|Cylons]], but choose to continue their work as Colonials. The entire Fleet loses electrical power for a time, for reasons unknown.

After a Cylon fleet also arrives at the nebula, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are scrambled to meet them. One pilot, [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]], detects and intercepts a mysterious target on [[DRADIS]]. Adding to the mystery of the Ionian nebula, [[Kara Thrace]], a pilot [[Maelstrom|believed dead]], flies her [[Viper Mark II]] alongside Apollo and tells him that she has been to and can show the Fleet of the path to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ("[[Crossroads, Part II]]", "[[He That Believeth In Me]]").<ref>According to the [[Podcast:Crossroads, Part II|podcast]] for this episode, Lee Adama is '''not''' hallucinating himself when he sees Kara Thrace. This is confirmed by her subsequent landing on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and interactions with the crew in "[[He That Believeth In Me]]", and other future [[Season 4 (2008)|Season 4]] episodes.</ref>

[[Image:3x11_Earth_Cylon_Centurian.JPG‎|left|thumb|The mysterious discovery of a centurion head ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul ]])]] After finding Earth, the Fleet's first landing party lands on a coast, near the burned out ruins of a city which had been nuked some 2000 years previously ([[Revelations]]). Excavations produced skeletons and the head of a previously unknown model of Cylon Centurion. DNA analysis of the skeletons using Cylon protocols revealed that the Thirteenth Tribe was Cylon ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).

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2009-02-18T01:05:02Z

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Galen Tyrol

2009-02-18T00:55:30Z

Bradtem: /* First and Second Life Cycles */ note on wife

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|role= Principal liaison between rebel Cylons and Colonials<br/>Senior NCO/Crew Chief, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<ref name="rank_status">Formally reinstated by Admiral Adama in "''[[No Exit]]''"</ref>
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|serial= 312365<ref name="serial">The original dog tags showed a different name and serial number: "C. Tyrol ser 312365" ([http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16040&view=findpost&p=1890295 "Questions for Aaron Douglas"] messageboard Q&A with actor Aaron Douglas).</ref> <br/>409185<ref name="serial 2">Recent tag photos from the actor show the correct name but with a new serial number ([http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/45310.html The Chief's Deck fan blog]), which is also the number supplied to QMX for the dogtag replicas.</ref>
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== Biography ==

=== Background ===

'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", is the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.

However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.

Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''.

===First and Second Life Cycles===

Tyrol was born on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] during its last days. He was a senior researcher in a special team attempting to recover [[downloading]] technology, which had been lost since the founding of the colony. His work was considered key. In his first body, he wore glasses. He was married to team member [[Tory Foster]].

Prior to the war, Tyrol and the others received warnings about the war from beings they saw which no others could see. Tyrol insisted there must be a chip in his head creating the visions, not unlike Baltar would thousands of years later. The work was completed. Tyrol was killed by a very close nuclear flash as he was shopping in a fruit and flower market. The vaporization of his body left a shadow on a concrete wall visible 2,000 years later.

His consciousness was transferred to a ship orbiting the planet. He and the others set out in a slower-than-light ship to re-find Kobol and the 12 tribes. He arrived at the colonies during the first Cylon war, and helped construct the eight humanoid Cylons. He was betrayed, killed and boxed by [[John]], who later resurrected him with false memories and planted him in the colonies for his next life cycle.

=== Cylon Attack ===

At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).

Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.

=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===

[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]

For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement.

When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).

Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]).

Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself.

While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.

=== Kobol ===

When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]])

While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack.

When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown.

As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).

=== After Kobol ===

Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test).

Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.

As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.

Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.

After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.

=== Helo's Return ===

After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.

Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.

The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.

After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".

=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===

Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely.

Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".

[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]

===On New Caprica===

A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).

By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.

By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.

After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

===After The Second Exodus===

Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).

===Seeing the Eye===

[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.

After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
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===The life of a knuckledragger===
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]).

The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).

Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).

===Revelations===
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.

Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).

When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).

===Earth and after===

Tyrol is among those that make the initial landing on Earth. His reaction to the burnt-out, radiated wasteland is different from the others; he smiles in a cynical grin, shaking his head. As they all begin to explore, he is attracted to a fragment of wall. As he gets closer, he hears echoes of ghosts saying things like "Fresh fruit, get your fresh fruit!" He sees a human silhouette on the wall, looking as if it were painted there. Surrounding the silhouette is weathered writing, barely readable. Tyrol touches the silhouette--and is thrown into a vision of the world as it once was, and Tyrol as he once was, wearing glasses and a sportcoat as he passes through a bustling marketplace of open carts of fruit and flowers and other goods. He stops to buy an avacado himself then continues walking. A massively bright flash of light appears as Tyrol shields his eyes - and stumbles back away from the wall and falls to the ground ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).

Among the Cylons in the fleet, Tyrol has (thus far) been shown as the most torn between his worlds since the arrival of the rebel Cylon basestar. Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Sharon Agathon remained on active duty and retained their rank [though Tigh and Anders may have been temporarilly relieved between their identification in "Revelations" and the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion"]. Tory Foster defected to the Cylons; and the rebel Sixes, Eights, Twos, rebel [[Hybrid]] and (apparently) their [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] having had their [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed, identify entirely as Cylons. Caprica-Six, though remaining aboard ''Galactica'' with the father of her child (and with the only physician with Cylon obstetric experience), identifies herself exclusively as a Cylon and is quite excited about her ability to bear a wholely-Cylon child. The only un-boxed [[Number Three]] maroons herself on Earth with the bones of their ancestors. Conversely, Tyrol appears to have one foot in each society.

Unlike Tigh, Anders and Agathon, Tyrol's duty status is "inactive" from the time of his exposure in "Revelations" until the first act of "No Exit"<ref>FTL engine room control computer terminal showed his status at the end of "Blood on the Scales". He accepts Adm. Adama's request to return to active duty as a Chief Petty Officer (presumably SCPO) whilst discussing the necessary ship repairs in the FTL engine room in Act 1 of "No Exit".</ref>, though he apparently continues to reside aboard ''Galactica'' with his nominal son. It is revealed in "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" that he serves as an intermediary between the rebel Cylons and the Colonial government (or specifically Adama), and vouched for Adama's character and trustworthiness before the rebel Cylons. He conveys their offer to upgrade Colonial FTL drives with Cylon technology in exchange for citizenship and representation. In doing so, Tyrol finds himself confused by what pronouns to use with respect to Colonials and Cylons, demonstrating his struggle with his group identity. Out of habit, he initially refers to the rebel Cylons in the third person before correcting himself to use the first person, and likewise speaks of the colonists in the first person with an immediate amendment to the second person. The only other Cylon who formerly served in the Colonial military and is not currently on active duty is Tryol's former lover, Sharon Valerii.

The duality of his group identity is instrumental to the survival of President Roslin and former President Baltar, and the failure of the Zarek-Gaeta coup d'état. Tyrol has wireless communication with Cylons, independent of ''Galactica''’s radio systems, and is thus able to arrange a Cylon-piloted rescue Raptor to meet them at a rarely-used airlock and fly them to the safety of the Basestar. ([[The Oath) Like the other Cylons among the colonists, Tyrol remains loyal to the established authority of President Roslin and Admiral Adama; and, like Councilman Adama, puts aside his civilian status to take up arms and counter the mutiny. Tyrol's detailed knowledge of the ship's ductwork and FTL systems enable him to bybass the mutineers and disable the drive by removing its synchronisation coil<ref>Actions shown in "Blood on the Scales". The part is identified in dialogue in "No Exit".</ref>, thus preventing Gaeta from jumping the ship away. The loyalty he instils in his former subordinates, collegues and trade unionists allow him to escape capture when discovered mid-travel. While in the FTL engine room, he discovers severe cracks in ''Galactica''’s hull. ([[Blood on the Scales]])

Despite being well-versed in maintaining Galactica's two FTL drives and being a Final Five Cylon, Tyrol is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "Sixes, Sharons and maybe even some Leobens" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).

In connection with young Nicholas Tyrol's kidney infection, Galen learns from [[Doctor Cottle]] that the boy is the biological son of [[Brendan Costanza]]; [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally]] had secretly been sexually involved with both men concurrently prior to her marriage to Galen; she, Cottle, and Cottle's staff kept the child's parantage secret from Galen. After briefly battering Costanza to satisfy his machismo and sense of betrayal, Tyrol takes him to Nicky's hospital bed and instructs him that his first lesson in fatherhood is to stay at the boy's side until Tyrol sleeps off his alcohol binge and sobers up. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).

Following the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutiny]], Tyrol brings to the attention of Adama a number of stress fractures in the hull of ''Galactica''. Adama reinstates Tyrol to active duty as a Chief Petty Officer (presumably Senior Chief, but his specific rank has never been stated orally), a position that was opened by the murder of [[Peter Laird]]. Tyrol convices a reluctant Adm. Adama to let him utilize Cylon technology to repair and structually enhance the ship.
== Attitudes toward humans ==
After his self discovery as a Cylon and his almost suicidal depression over it, he seems to have accepted it but is still struggling in coming to terms with what it exactly means. He has expressed himself as a Cylon and represented their point of view in discussions with Admiral Adama including lobbying for Cylon citizenship and delegate representation in the Fleet. ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). However, he still has a strong loyalty to the humans and Galactica, siding with the Loyalist during the mutiny and was instrumental in getting President Roslin and Gaius Baltar off the ship in which they subsequently reached the safety of the Baseship. ([[The Oath]]) He also prevented the Galactica from jumping away from the Baseship and the ships who followed Roslin's orders. ([[Blood on the Scales]]) After discovering serious structural damage to the ship, he has accepted a request to become Chief of Engineering again from Admiral Adama who he is fiercely loyal to in particular. He has offered to use Cylon technology to help strengthen her hull. After an initial refusal from Adama the Admiral changed his mind and accepted Tyrol's offer. He looks on the saving the humans from the Cylon Centurions during the first Cylon War as a positive that he and the other Five should be given credit for it ([[No Exit]]) but he has never uttered an anti-human word. However, he has been told of his history on Earth and since then second handedly. Unlike [[Ellen Tigh]] and [[Samuel Anders]] and like [[Tory Foster]] and [[Saul Tigh]] he has no first hand self recollection of his true history. It is not known if his strongly pro-human attitude will change if he ever does, but Anders's recitation of events including him helping stopping the First Cylon War against the humans 40 years ago it maybe favorable if he does recover his true memory.

== Notes ==

*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".
*While it may be a coincidence, Tyrol's forename, Galen, is one of the series' many homages (intentional or otherwise) to the ''[[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes|Planet of the Apes]]'' franchise. Galen was the name of [[Wikipedia:Roddy McDowall|Roddy McDowall]]'s character in [[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes (TV series)|the 1974 television series]] which, like ''Battlestar Galactica'', featured human military astronauts surveying post-apocolyptic Earth. (''See also'' [[Gaius Baltar#Notes|Baltar's forename & roles]], the [[Revelations#Earth|end of "Revelations"]], [[Leoben Conoy]] [[Sometimes a Great Notion#Noteworthy_Dialogue|quoting Dr. Zaius]] in "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]", the two hybrids' characterisation of [[Kara Thrace]] as "[[The Destiny#The_Hybrids.27_Warnings|The harbinger of death]]", ''inter alia'').
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.
*No Exit's revelations may answer how he was able to sense the Temple of Five: it was built by the Thirteenth Tribe and the Final Five visited it on their way to the Colonies. Tyrol's blocked Cylon memories may have subconciously guided him there as he did know its location in the blocked memories.

=== Rank Notes ===

Tyrol was originally and currently a [[wikipedia:Senior Chief Petty Officer|Senior Chief Petty Officer]]<ref name="rank_status"/> then demoted to [[wikipedia:Specialist_(rank)|Specialist]] in "[[Escape Velocity|Escape Velocity]]". Tyrol was put into inactivation after his discovery as a Cylon in "[[Revelations]]". He was made Senior Chief Petty Officer once again in "[[No Exit]]".

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== Biography ==

=== Background ===

'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", is the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.

However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.

Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''.

===First and Second Life Cycles===

Tyrol was born on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] during its last days. He was a senior researcher in a special team attempting to recover [[downloading]] technology, which had been lost since the founding of the colony. His work was considered key. In his first body, he wore glasses.

Prior to the war, Tyrol and the others received warnings about the war from beings they saw which no others could see. Tyrol insisted there must be a chip in his head creating the visions, not unlike Baltar would thousands of years later. The work was completed. Tyrol was killed by a very close nuclear flash as he was shopping in a fruit and flower market. The vaporization of his body left a shadow on a concrete wall visible 2,000 years later.

His consciousness was transferred to a ship orbiting the planet. He and the others set out in a slower-than-light ship to re-find Kobol and the 12 tribes. He arrived at the colonies during the first Cylon war, and helped construct the eight humanoid Cylons. He was betrayed, killed and boxed by [[John]], who later resurrected him with false memories and planted him in the colonies for his next life cycle.
=== Cylon Attack ===

At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).

Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.

=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===

[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]

For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement.

When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).

Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]).

Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself.

While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.

=== Kobol ===

When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]])

While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack.

When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown.

As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).

=== After Kobol ===

Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test).

Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.

As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.

Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.

After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.

=== Helo's Return ===

After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.

Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.

The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.

After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".

=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===

Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely.

Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".

[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]

===On New Caprica===

A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).

By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.

By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.

After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

===After The Second Exodus===

Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).

===Seeing the Eye===

[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.

After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
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===The life of a knuckledragger===
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]).

The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).

Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).

===Revelations===
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.

Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).

When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).

===Earth and after===

Tyrol is among those that make the initial landing on Earth. His reaction to the burnt-out, radiated wasteland is different from the others; he smiles in a cynical grin, shaking his head. As they all begin to explore, he is attracted to a fragment of wall. As he gets closer, he hears echoes of ghosts saying things like "Fresh fruit, get your fresh fruit!" He sees a human silhouette on the wall, looking as if it were painted there. Surrounding the silhouette is weathered writing, barely readable. Tyrol touches the silhouette--and is thrown into a vision of the world as it once was, and Tyrol as he once was, wearing glasses and a sportcoat as he passes through a bustling marketplace of open carts of fruit and flowers and other goods. He stops to buy an avacado himself then continues walking. A massively bright flash of light appears as Tyrol shields his eyes - and stumbles back away from the wall and falls to the ground ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).

Among the Cylons in the fleet, Tyrol has (thus far) been shown as the most torn between his worlds since the arrival of the rebel Cylon basestar. Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Sharon Agathon remained on active duty and retained their rank [though Tigh and Anders may have been temporarilly relieved between their identification in "Revelations" and the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion"]. Tory Foster defected to the Cylons; and the rebel Sixes, Eights, Twos, rebel [[Hybrid]] and (apparently) their [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] having had their [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed, identify entirely as Cylons. Caprica-Six, though remaining aboard ''Galactica'' with the father of her child (and with the only physician with Cylon obstetric experience), identifies herself exclusively as a Cylon and is quite excited about her ability to bear a wholely-Cylon child. The only un-boxed [[Number Three]] maroons herself on Earth with the bones of their ancestors. Conversely, Tyrol appears to have one foot in each society.

Unlike Tigh, Anders and Agathon, Tyrol's duty status is "inactive" from the time of his exposure in "Revelations" until the first act of "No Exit"<ref>FTL engine room control computer terminal showed his status at the end of "Blood on the Scales". He accepts Adm. Adama's request to return to active duty as a Chief Petty Officer (presumably SCPO) whilst discussing the necessary ship repairs in the FTL engine room in Act 1 of "No Exit".</ref>, though he apparently continues to reside aboard ''Galactica'' with his nominal son. It is revealed in "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" that he serves as an intermediary between the rebel Cylons and the Colonial government (or specifically Adama), and vouched for Adama's character and trustworthiness before the rebel Cylons. He conveys their offer to upgrade Colonial FTL drives with Cylon technology in exchange for citizenship and representation. In doing so, Tyrol finds himself confused by what pronouns to use with respect to Colonials and Cylons, demonstrating his struggle with his group identity. Out of habit, he initially refers to the rebel Cylons in the third person before correcting himself to use the first person, and likewise speaks of the colonists in the first person with an immediate amendment to the second person. The only other Cylon who formerly served in the Colonial military and is not currently on active duty is Tryol's former lover, Sharon Valerii.

The duality of his group identity is instrumental to the survival of President Roslin and former President Baltar, and the failure of the Zarek-Gaeta coup d'état. Tyrol has wireless communication with Cylons, independent of ''Galactica''’s radio systems, and is thus able to arrange a Cylon-piloted rescue Raptor to meet them at a rarely-used airlock and fly them to the safety of the Basestar. ([[The Oath) Like the other Cylons among the colonists, Tyrol remains loyal to the established authority of President Roslin and Admiral Adama; and, like Councilman Adama, puts aside his civilian status to take up arms and counter the mutiny. Tyrol's detailed knowledge of the ship's ductwork and FTL systems enable him to bybass the mutineers and disable the drive by removing its synchronisation coil<ref>Actions shown in "Blood on the Scales". The part is identified in dialogue in "No Exit".</ref>, thus preventing Gaeta from jumping the ship away. The loyalty he instils in his former subordinates, collegues and trade unionists allow him to escape capture when discovered mid-travel. While in the FTL engine room, he discovers severe cracks in ''Galactica''’s hull. ([[Blood on the Scales]])

Despite being well-versed in maintaining Galactica's two FTL drives and being a Final Five Cylon, Tyrol is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "Sixes, Sharons and maybe even some Leobens" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).

In connection with young Nicholas Tyrol's kidney infection, Galen learns from [[Doctor Cottle]] that the boy is the biological son of [[Brendan Costanza]]; [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally]] had secretly been sexually involved with both men concurrently prior to her marriage to Galen; she, Cottle, and Cottle's staff kept the child's parantage secret from Galen. After briefly battering Costanza to satisfy his machismo and sense of betrayal, Tyrol takes him to Nicky's hospital bed and instructs him that his first lesson in fatherhood is to stay at the boy's side until Tyrol sleeps off his alcohol binge and sobers up. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).

Following the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutiny]], Tyrol brings to the attention of Adama a number of stress fractures in the hull of ''Galactica''. Adama reinstates Tyrol to active duty as a Chief Petty Officer (presumably Senior Chief, but his specific rank has never been stated orally), a position that was opened by the murder of [[Peter Laird]]. Tyrol convices a reluctant Adm. Adama to let him utilize Cylon technology to repair and structually enhance the ship.
== Attitudes toward humans ==
After his self discovery as a Cylon and his almost suicidal depression over it, he seems to have accepted it but is still struggling in coming to terms with what it exactly means. He has expressed himself as a Cylon and represented their point of view in discussions with Admiral Adama including lobbying for Cylon citizenship and delegate representation in the Fleet. ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). However, he still has a strong loyalty to the humans and Galactica, siding with the Loyalist during the mutiny and was instrumental in getting President Roslin and Gaius Baltar off the ship in which they subsequently reached the safety of the Baseship. ([[The Oath]]) He also prevented the Galactica from jumping away from the Baseship and the ships who followed Roslin's orders. ([[Blood on the Scales]]) After discovering serious structural damage to the ship, he has accepted a request to become Chief of Engineering again from Admiral Adama who he is fiercely loyal to in particular. He has offered to use Cylon technology to help strengthen her hull. After an initial refusal from Adama the Admiral changed his mind and accepted Tyrol's offer. He looks on the saving the humans from the Cylon Centurions during the first Cylon War as a positive that he and the other Five should be given credit for it ([[No Exit]]) but he has never uttered an anti-human word. However, he has been told of his history on Earth and since then second handedly. Unlike [[Ellen Tigh]] and [[Samuel Anders]] and like [[Tory Foster]] and [[Saul Tigh]] he has no first hand self recollection of his true history. It is not known if his strongly pro-human attitude will change if he ever does, but Anders's recitation of events including him helping stopping the First Cylon War against the humans 40 years ago it maybe favorable if he does recover his true memory.

== Notes ==

*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".
*While it may be a coincidence, Tyrol's forename, Galen, is one of the series' many homages (intentional or otherwise) to the ''[[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes|Planet of the Apes]]'' franchise. Galen was the name of [[Wikipedia:Roddy McDowall|Roddy McDowall]]'s character in [[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes (TV series)|the 1974 television series]] which, like ''Battlestar Galactica'', featured human military astronauts surveying post-apocolyptic Earth. (''See also'' [[Gaius Baltar#Notes|Baltar's forename & roles]], the [[Revelations#Earth|end of "Revelations"]], [[Leoben Conoy]] [[Sometimes a Great Notion#Noteworthy_Dialogue|quoting Dr. Zaius]] in "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]", the two hybrids' characterisation of [[Kara Thrace]] as "[[The Destiny#The_Hybrids.27_Warnings|The harbinger of death]]", ''inter alia'').
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.
*No Exit's revelations may answer how he was able to sense the Temple of Five: it was built by the Thirteenth Tribe and the Final Five visited it on their way to the Colonies. Tyrol's blocked Cylon memories may have subconciously guided him there as he did know its location in the blocked memories.

=== Rank Notes ===

Tyrol was originally and currently a [[wikipedia:Senior Chief Petty Officer|Senior Chief Petty Officer]]<ref name="rank_status"/> then demoted to [[wikipedia:Specialist_(rank)|Specialist]] in "[[Escape Velocity|Escape Velocity]]". Tyrol was put into inactivation after his discovery as a Cylon in "[[Revelations]]". He was made Senior Chief Petty Officer once again in "[[No Exit]]".

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== Makeup of the thirteenth tribe - Cylon or Human ==
I just edited the bit about the 13th tribe being comprised of an early form of Cylon upon their departure from Kobol. While the tribe was obviously Cylon (or a close variant) by the time of the holocaust, there is not evidence that the tribe was originally Cylon or Human. The composition of the tribe when they left Kobol has not yet been proven. {{unsigned|Dch31969}}
:Thanks, and welcome to the wiki! In the future, throw your talk comments towards the bottom...people will see them as new more readily. And you can sign your comments too, using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). If you haven't already, see a similar thread at the end of this talk. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:28, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:: While their makeup can be debated, the page should certainly mention that they became that. When the characters declare "the 13th tribe was Cylon" they seem to be saying it to the audience as much as to ourselves, and Ron Moore says it in his interviews and I think in the podcast, so I think the statement that they began as Cylons probably will stand until demonstrated otherwise. --[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 02:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Was there ever actually a thirteenth tribe? ==

I believe the existence of the thirteenth tribe is unfounded speculation. Now how can I say this when it is regularly referred to in the show? The show does not show a thirteenth tribe. Rather it shows people who talk about an ancient legend of a thirteenth tribe. I made some minor edits in the past to try to make it more ambiguous but the truth is this article still describes the thirteenth tribe as though it is a real tribe seen in the show, and it isn't. It's a myth from the scrolls, which may or may not turn out to be real.

As most fans know, there is much controversy over whether Earth was colonized by Kobol's thirteenth tribe as the scrolls say, or Kobol was colonized by Earth. I don't want to try to resolve or speculate on that controversy in the main page, though I certainly have [http://ideas.4brad.com/earth-bsg my own arguments, which I believe are fairly convincing]. I believe that this article, and a few related ones, currently speculate on the controversy, but in the "trust the myths" direction. There are hints scattered through the articles about the uncertainty regarding the legend, I would like to consolidate it, perhaps by gathering the material from the scrolls in a section marked "As told in the sacred scrolls" with another section for relevant notes and facts outside the scrolls from canon/etc.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:22, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
:The article says "according to Elosha", "according to the Scriptures" or "apparently" pretty much every time. That's enough for me. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:26, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

== Athena's Death ==

This article says that Athena killed herself, her death is an assumption since all that we know is what Boomer tells us...

Boomer: I'm putting together a lot of pieces from a lot of sources beyond your scriptures. If I'm right, that's the spot where your god supposedly stood and watched Athena throw herself down onto the rocks below out of despair over the exodus of the 13 tribes.

It doesn't say that she died.--[[User:Swozie|Swozie]] 11:36, 7 January 2008 (CST)

:Then just add the "supposedly" in the text and all is good (I'll do so, but I think the entry paragraph also needs to be changed, and am currently thinking about that). Something like "reportedly" or "allegedly" also works will with things that are told second-hand :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:39, 7 January 2008 (CST)

::I'm pretty sure "threw herself to the rocks" does mean death, y'know. [[User:OTW|OTW]]
:::Yeah. Depends on if he takes issue with the wording (which is clear though), or that it's just scriptures that might not be true. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:07, 7 January 2008 (CST)

I think that whatever the show states has to be considered true, its true that the show states it, that doesn't mean it's true within the BSG universe itsself but I don't think this site can be concerned with that since we can't possibly know. Athena killing herself isn't true because the show doesn't state it, its just presumed (and probably correctly presumed) but adding the word "presumed" would mean that there is no chance that what you are stating can possibly be wrong which only adds to the validity of information on this site. Besides if Athena is a god then presumably she can't die.
--[[User:Swozie|Swozie]] 14:05, 7 January 2008 (CST)

== The Eye of Jupiter ==

This article states that "The Eye of Jupiter is, in fact, the image created by the planet's dying sun"

In fact the Eye Of Jupiter is either the emblem on the floor of the Temple on which D'Anna stood OR the nova or perhaps both.

[Chip Six appears, indicating the obvious Eye symbol on the floor.]
Chip Six: There it is, Gaius. It has the answers to all of your questions.
Baltar: That's the Eye?

Chief: Major, look. It's the mandala from the Temple. This is supposed to be happening. That's it. I was staring at it the whole time. The sun is going nova. The nova is the Eye of Jupiter.

However Roslin believes that the Eye is inside the temple

Roslin: Admiral, if the Eye of Jupiter is somewhere in that temple, and it really is a marker on the way to Earth… We can't let the Cylons get their hands on it. --[[User:Swozie|Swozie]] 13:57, 7 January 2008 (CST)
:According to those episodes, the Thirteenth Tribe saw a nova in the Ionian system and drew that nova in the temple. This would make the nova the 'original' Eye, and the symbol in the temple a depiction of it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:20, 8 January 2008 (CST)

perhaps, the scriptures say it was left in the temple...

Episode 311

Roslin: I don't know, Lee. I've looked at the Scriptures, and they make reference to the Eye being left in some sort of temple. But there's no physical description.--[[User:Swozie|Swozie]] 16:25, 8 January 2008 (CST)

== Early Generation Cylons ==

Saying "Early Generation", makes it sound like the 13th tribe were Model 005 (or more primitive).
: True, but we don't really have enough to come up with a name for them. We could call them Earth Cylons, but they actually originated on Kobol, and their type of Cylon may be in other places too. All we know right now is that they are an earlier generation of humanoid cylons. We don't even know they are the first generation, since the Temple of Five dates back 4,000 years. The Final Five may be yet another generation. For example, Ellen has set up a download, and the way she says it suggests the other Cylons on the planet don't have that.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 23:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::How about "Ancient Cylons"? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 00:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We don't know yet. There might be even older Cylons. I suspect there are. All this has happened before. Who are the Lords of Kobol, after all, and the five priests? Let's find out--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_(reimagining) Wikipedia] references them as "Earth Cylons". [[User:German|German]] 21:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
:::At this point I think a good name for them is "13th tribe." The Final Five are also 13th tribe, of course.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 21:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Humanoid Cylon/Archive4

2009-02-16T04:58:11Z

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== The Final Cylon, Conception and Prophecy ==

:"The missing 3 will give you the five who come from the home of the thirteenth"

The human/cylon child hera obviously has a central role in the series. This is evidenced by her prescence in the opera house, 6 and baltar's delusion that the child is theirs, and the desire of both the human's and the cylons to retain possession of the child. Ill avoid discussing the the childs intended representation as the next evolutionary step in mankinds developement in order to emphasize a few overlooked facts. Conception has eluded the cylons until hera's birth. They can build machines, but they cannot create life. This leaves them unable to fufill the Cylon God's law to be fruitfull and multiply, i.e. procreate. If they cannot concieve they remain outside their god's will.

::A. HERA - is the product of a female cylon (sharon) and a male human (helo) thus estalishing that conception is possiblewith a couple composed of these constituient parts.
::B. NICK- is the product of a male cylon (tyrol) and a female human (cally) validating this type of conception is possible.
::C. BABY6 - is the product of a male cylon and a female cylon the last remaining combination and supposedly not possible. (is it tighs love for ellen a human that enables this conception ?)

However, back to the puzzle the missing 3 (Hera , Nick, Baby6) are 3 misssing babies will give you the five; so there must be a relationship here to the final five

TIGH....parent
TYROL......parent
Tory....hid baby hera at roslins direction
Sam.......I could use help on him

which leaves only 1 who has to be related in some way to the hybrid babies.....and which im keeping to myself....the baby's are the clue see if you can piece it together {{unsigned|Richnpoor}}

== Mechanical humanoid Cylons ==
How should we handle the mechanical humanoid Cylons from Caprica? Should we create a separate article for them, or should we give them a section in this article? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:An own article might be warranted. We'll see when it airs. I don't think we should put them together with the modern humanoid Cylons. From what I read so far, they are more like machines, possibly with some biological components. But not ''humanoid''. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::[[Zoe Graystone|Zoe-R]] looks completely human in the Caprica trailer. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Final Five ==
Should the Final Five section of the article be edited to match the layout of the Significant Seven part? To me personally it makes sense, simply for neatness and a better flow for the article. My proposed change is that each Final Five Cylon would have a subheading, picture and short blurb ala the Significant Seven. Instead of having the current subheading "The Final Cylon Model" we'd have "Samuel Anders", "Tory Foster", "Ellen Tigh", "Saul Tigh" and "Galen Tyrol" (I've went by alphabetical surname). Thoughts? -- [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] 08:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:I couldn't agree more. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
::Well I've made the changes. I've also removed the "Thirteenth Cylon" bit because nothing has really been said about it in the series. However I think that might turn up on "A Disquiet Follows My Soul" tonight so maybe it'll come back. The article is 40kb now, and apparantly some browsers have difficulty supporting over 32kb. -- [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] 07:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Significant Eight and Final Five? ==

Personally, I always thought "Significant Seven" and "Final Five" were a little too cute, and changing it to "Significant Eight" is simply grating. Now that we know the full difference between the two sets, maybe we can use more appropriate descriptors, say, "Colonial Cylons" for the Seven/Eight, and "Terran Cylons" for the Five. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 13:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
*"Significant Seven" is a term coined by RDM himself. Apparently that's what the writers call them. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 13:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:Indeed, but Significant Eight is a silly term now that they've added another. They are the humanoid Cylons made by the final five if you want to get descriptive, or the ones made near the twelve colonies. Can't call them "The Eight" as that might mean that model.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 04:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Timeline (RDM)

2009-02-16T00:39:51Z

Bradtem: /* Ancient History */ minor update, they all see head-beings.

{{timeline series}}

This article attempts to plot the events illustrated or mentioned in the history and prehistory of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

All dates use the day of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as the central time marker for all events in the series. Items that occur before the Fall are marked as "BCH", or "Before Cylon holocaust". Given the few and somewhat contradictory dates about the Colonials' ancient history and the exodus from Kobol, that part of the timeline is speculative.

==Ancient History==
*'''Over 17,000 years BCH:''' A supernova creates the [[Ionian nebula]]
*'''ca. 4,000 years BCH:''' The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] reportedly leaves [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and builds the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] on [[Algae planet|another planet]] <ref name="kobol">Tyrol says that "Our initial radiocarbon dating suggests that the temple's at least 4,000 years old, which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe." ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). This is the oldest date noted in the series's timeline, but also conflicts with the prior date of Pythia and her works as described by [[Elosha]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", where she states that the exodus of '''all 13 tribes''' occurred approximately 2,000 years ago.</ref> This contradicts [[Ellen Tigh]]'s statement that the temple was built 3,000 years ago. ([[No Exit]])
*'''ca. 3,600 years BCH:''' [[Pythia]] records her prophecies. Aside from reports of the landing on Earth and drawings of temples there, this book describes "the exile and rebirth of the human race" and a "dying leader" not making it to a "promised land," though how long before her writings that such events took place is not revealed.
*'''ca. 3,000 years BCH:''' A [[Lion's Head beacon|beacon]] is left at the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], later marking the way to Earth. At some undated point, someone travels from [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] to Kobol, passing on information about Earth, including a map of its night sky <ref>Adama says that "According to Cottle, the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] was an exact match to one reported over 3000 years ago, right around the time that the 13th colony left Kobol." ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). This contradicts the two other dates of 2,000 and 4,000 years. While the dating uncertain, it is the only clue to the beacon's age. That someone traveled back to Kobol is speculation, but an explanation for how Earth's sky could be displayed there. If true, it is still unknown on which of these two voyages the beacon was left behind.</ref>
*Unknown: The 13th colony grows and breeds, and abandons the technology of "organic memory transfer" or downloading.
*'''ca. 2,000 years BCH:''' (The order of events on Kobol and the 13th colony is uncertain.)
**The Final Five are born on the 13th colony. Ellen Tigh's father is named John.
**The Final Five work together in a research lab. They redevelop downloading technology. Tyrol is heavy lifter, Ellen has the key insight.
**All five receive visions of beings nobody else can see warning them of an impending war. The Final Five prepare a resurrection ship and leave it in orbit.
**The remaining Twelve Tribes leave Kobol <ref name="kobol"/>
**Lord of Kobol "Athena" kills herself in despair over this. A [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] is built for her containing a 3-D projection showing Earth and its Zodiac. The projection is activated by the Arrow of Apollo, which travels with the twelve tribes.
**Earth is left a nuclear wasteland. Originals of the Final Five die in a nuclear attack, and are recreated on board their orbiting ship.
**The Final Five begin a sublight journey back to Kobol to find the twelve tribes.
*(Unknown) The Final Five arrive at the Temple of Hopes and modify it to be the Temple of Five.
*(Unknown) The Final Five arrive at Kobol, learn the fate of the twelve tribes and head to the colonies via sublight.
*'''2,000 years to 52 years BCH:''' The Twelve Colonies grow and prosper. Each colony acts as a sovereign nation, complete with inter-colonial wars

==Recent Colonial History==
*'''At least 200 years BCH:''' Humans develop an immunity to the virus causing [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]] ([[A Measure of Salvation]]) <ref>Doctor Cottle notes the time as "a couple hundred years ago", which is an indeterminate amount of time, but likely less than four or five hundred years.</ref>
*'''69 years BCH:''' [[Saul Tigh]] supposedly born (defined by deleted scene in "[[Valley of Darkness]]" concerning the ''[[Brenik]]'') This is actually a false memory planted by [[Cavil]].
*'''64 years BCH:''' [[William Adama]] born in [[Qualai]], [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Hero]])
*'''55 - 52 years BCH:''' Somewhere during this time, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] are built to aid in hard labor and warfare ([[Miniseries]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' Cylon revolt starts the first [[Cylon War]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' [[Articles of Colonization]] signed ([[Colonial Day]], [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005])
*'''51 years BCH:''' Colonial ship ''[[Brenik]]'' is lost after a boarding action by [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]] ([[Valley of Darkness]], deleted scene)
*'''ca. 50 years BCH:''' Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' enters service
*'''42 years BCH:''' William Adama begins his service in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot, near the end of the Cylon War ("Hero", [[Razor Flashbacks]])
*'''40 years BCH:'''
**Cylons begin experiments constructing human-cylon Hybrids
**Final Five arrive in their sublight ship with war underway.
**Final Five meet the local Cylons and negotiate an end to the war if the Final Five will give them biological bodies.
**[[Operation Raptor Talon]] conducted by the Colonial Fleet. Battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' destroyed (Razor Flashbacks)
**Armistice ends the [[Cylon War]]. Cylons exile themselves from the Twelve Colonies (Miniseries)
**William Adama mustered out of the Colonial Fleet ("[[Scattered]]", [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]])
**Final Five create [[John]], Cylon #1 and raise him as a boy for a time, taking him to some beach.
*'''37 BCH:''' William Adama enlists as merchant marine and serves aboard inter-colony freighters ("Scattered", Adama's dossier)
*(Unknown): John matures and assists Final Five in creation of initial copies of 7 other humanoid Cylon models. Resurrection system built based on Final Five technology.
*(Unknown): Secret base known as "the Colony" established, where Final Five equipment is stored. Existence known only to John and the Final Five.
*'''ca. 30 BCH:'''
** John interferes with duplication multiple copies of of [[Daniel]]. His destruction is more permanent than a [[boxing]].
** Final Five suffocated by John. New bodies are created with false memories. [[Saul Tigh]] introduced to colonies as military officer with false history of fighting in war.
** [[Ellen Tigh]] presumably introduced shortly thereafter, with others coming later.
*'''ca. 28 BCH:'''
** [[Galen Tyrol]] supposedly born <ref>At the time of the Cylon attack, Tyrol has "ten years experience" ([[Miniseries]]), and has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This puts his birth in approximately 28 BCH, allowing for a few years leeway with the first comment.</ref> This is actually a false memory planted by [[Cavil]].
** First meeting between William Adama and Saul Tigh ("Scattered", "[[Torn]]") <ref>The podcast for "[[Scattered]]" places their meeting "twenty years ago". In "[[Torn]]", Adama states that he has known Tigh for 30 years. Furthermore, [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his reinstatement into the Colonial Fleet at 23 BCH. ''Battlestar Wiki'' choses to use the more consistent dates.</ref>
*'''ca. 27 BCH:''' William and [[Carolanne Adama]] meet and marry <ref name = "leezak">This date is assumed as follows: Zak died 2 BCH. Since he graduated from some kind of military academy, he would at least 22 years old, following real world models. On a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] of William Adama with his sons, Lee seems to be about two years older than Zak. Adama and his wife probably met not long before Lee's birth.</ref>
*'''ca. 26 BCH:''' [[Lee Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''ca. 24 BCH:''' [[Zak Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''23 years BCH:''' William Adama reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain and is assigned to the battlestar ''[[Universal]]'' <ref>[[:Image:William Adama's Reinstatement Letter.jpg|This information comes from a prop used in the episode "Scattered".]]</ref> ("Scattered" deleted scene, Adama's dossier)
*'''21 years BCH:''' Saul Tigh reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain by now-Major Adama (Scattered) <ref>The time between Adama's and Tigh's reinstatement is not specified on screen. The February/March issue of ''Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine'' gives it as two years: "''Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service.''"</ref>
*'''20 years BCH:'''
**Last significant [[FTL]] jump recorded in ''Galactica's'' logs (Miniseries)
**[[Tom Zarek]] imprisoned for blowing up a government building on [[Sagittaron]] ([[Bastille Day]])
*'''17 BCH:''' William Adama assigned to the battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', where he makes his 1000th Viper landing (Adama's dossier, "[[Act of Contrition]]")
*'''13 years BCH:''' William Adama assigned as executive officer to the new battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' (Adama's dossier)
*'''11 years BCH:''' [[Laura Roslin]] begins her career in politics ([[Litmus]])
*'''ca. 10 years BCH:''' Galen Tyrol enlists in the Colonial Fleet as a non-commissioned officer (Miniseries)
*'''9 years BCH:''' William Adama promoted to commander and assigned as commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero")
*'''7 years BCH:''' Saul and [[Ellen Tigh]] marry again ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]])
*'''6 years BCH:''' William Adama leads an aborted covert intelligence mission aboard ''Valkyrie''. [[Daniel Novacek]] is shot down and captured by the Cylons. Adama and Tigh are subsequently assigned to ''Galactica'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero") <ref name="hero">While dialogue from "[[Hero]]" places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error and change the date.</ref>
*'''5 years BCH:'''
**[[Laura Roslin]]'s last breast exam prior to her cancer diagnosis ([[Act of Contrition]])
**Galen Tyrol assigned to ''Galactica'' ([[Litmus]]) <ref>Since Adama states that Tyrol has been under his commander for "over five years", this might also be one year earlier.</ref>
*'''4 years BCH:'''
**[[Kara Thrace]] graduates from the Colonial Fleet Academy ([[Maelstrom]])
**[[Socrata Thrace]] dies of stomach cancer (Maelstrom)
*'''3 years BCH:''' [[Felix Gaeta]] assigned to ''Galactica'' (Miniseries)
*'''2 years BCH:'''
**[[Caprica Six]] begins residence on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]), first encounters Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] (Miniseries)
**[[Sharon Valerii]] begins service aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Farm]])
**Zak Adama dies in a flight school accident (Miniseries)
**Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] is re-assigned from flight school to ''Galactica'' ([[Act of Contrition]])
*'''1 Year BCH:'''
**Last time William and Carolanne Adama speak (Miniseries)
**Carolanne Adama gets engaged (Miniseries)
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] last visits her home ([[Final Cut]])

==Events of the [[Miniseries]]==
*'''Zero Hour:'''
**The [[Armistice Station]] is destroyed by [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces
**Laura Roslin is diagnosed with inoperable breast cancer
**''Galactica'' is decommissioned
**The [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] are heavily bombarded by nuclear bombs
**[[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] [[Fleet Headquarters]] is destroyed
**''Galactica's'' last [[Viper Mark VII]] squadron is destroyed
**A battle near [[Virgon (RDM)|Virgon]] ends with the total loss of the remaining Colonial Fleet including the flagship ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''
**The [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' luckily escapes the destruction of the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", "[[Razor]]")
**''Galactica'' engages [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s and survives with moderate damage and 85 dead
**Last transmission from the Colonies received by Laura Roslin aboard ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' from a [[Jack|fellow secretary]]
**[[Case Orange]] contingency mechanism assigns Roslin the office of the President of the Twelve Colonies
**Roslin gathers stranded civilian and military ships in the vicinity of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]
**Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] assumes overall Fleet command and orders regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]
**Roslin's fleet survives two Cylon attacks and meets at Ragnar
**''Galactica'' changes from battle stance to civilian protection, and escorts the civilian fleet from Ragnar towards the [[Prolmar Sector]]

== Season 1 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 1 (RDM)]]''

== Season 2 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]]''

== Season 3 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 3 (RDM)]]''

== Season 4 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 4 (RDM)]]''

== References ==
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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
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Talk:The Temple of Hopes/Archive 1

2009-02-15T21:09:00Z

Bradtem: /* Article title */

'''The Temple of Five Lords.'''

I knew I had heard this title before somewhere, In Battlestar Galactica's case it does not refer to this. However,

::''"In China where Haikou and Qiongshan border on each other there is a grouping of ancient buildings. The group is comprised of temples, gardens and the houses of five famous ministers of the Tang and Song dynasties. Construction of these ancient buildings began during the reign of Emperor Wanli of the Ming Dynasty. The group takes its name from its main building, which is also called the '''Memorial Temple of Five Lords'''. Nine meters in height, the temple is a two-story wooden building covering a floor-space of 560 square meters. During the Tang and Song dynasties, five outstanding ministers were demoted and exiled to Hainan-the bleak end of the earth at that time. And it was to them that the temple was dedicated. With a golden-glazed board reading “Number One Building of Hainan” hung at the front, the temple has become the most popular site among Hainan’s cultural relics."''
::exerpt taken from [http://www.china.org.cn/english/travel/42545.htm Here]
I know that BSG hasn't used any asian references insofar, but I thought it might be interesting to add, and get the imagination going.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:30, 1 December 2006 (CST)
::: In Chinese, it is called "[http://www.hainan.gov.cn/data/lyxx_jd/2003/12/19/ 五公祠]"(in Chinese).-- [[User:SuperMMX|SuperMMX]] 03:49, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:This really isn't an article since there's nothing really to say. However, we can keep it as a placeholder since we know of [[Number Three]] and her strange vision quest with five luminous beings, and of the Final Five. Probably related. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:51, 1 December 2006 (CST)

::There's nothing to say yet, true... I had thought that there should be at least a "placeholder" as you said, just because there should be an inevitable development around this subject. Anyway never opposed to getting rid of it later if it gets in the way.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 08:12, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Ok. I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned this, but the Temple of Five "priests" == [[Cylon Models#Final five|five missing Cylon models]], which are devoted to the one god, a jealous god... connection? [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 00:35, 19 December 2006 (CST)

:Maybe. Maybe. A group of humans who are connected with creation of the first humanoid Cylons? Another link to the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon god? Baltar's ultimate destiny? Much will be answered in the next episode... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:50, 19 December 2006 (CST)
::This leaves one logic gap: the temple is thousands of years old (since the exodus from Kobol happened thousands of years ago), but the humanoid Cylons cannot be more than 50 years old. How can they possibly be connected? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 10:53, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually the agents couldn't be more than 40 (assuming that only the original chrome-jobs existed at the armistice and made the humanoids, at the earliest, within a year after their exile). Series information tells us that Cylon agents were in the Colonial's midst no earlier than 2 years prior to the [[miniseries]]. The number that the Colonials date the structure is about 4,000 years. This approximates the time of the Thirteenth Tribe's exodus, at about 3,600 years (see [[Pythia]]). The mystery likely involves what Roslin read from the Scrolls: the Temple's five obelisks represent five ''human priests'' (Cylons in ''any'' form did not exist, or so we think) that worshiped the One Who Name Cannot Be (something). Could that entity be the Cylon God (believed to be the "jealous" God of Kobol that led to the tribal exodus)? [[Dodona Selloi]], a human oracle, also relays a message from the Cylon God to D'Anna-Three, further suggesting that the Cylon God and the Lords are Kobol are connected. The [[Hybrid]]'s information about the Eye of Jupiter further reinforces a connection. We know much, and yet so little. That alone gives you a big "holy frak" feeling after watching this cliffhanger. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:47, 19 December 2006 (CST)
::::I see two plausible theories here:
::::1. The fact that there are five missing models and five priests is just a coincidence. The Final Five left Cylon society for some reason and ran across an abandoned manmade temple, which just happened to contain a lot of reference to the number five. Deducing that it had to be the Temple of Five the Scriptures write about, they thought it fitting to leave clues to their identity there.
::::2. The Final Five were somehow 'possessed' (or something similar) by the 'ghosts' of the five priests, and were threatened to be boxed for that, so they fled. They hid clues in the Temple of the Five, a place which they could easily find and was of great importance to them.
:::::Or 3. The [[Religion_in_the_Twelve_Colonies#The Cycle of Time|Cycle of Time]] - The past equals the present. ($PAST == $PRESENT) The five priests of the one [http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=33899428 jealous god] in the past are the same as the five Cylons models. The five in the past came to the same conclusions as the five in the present. [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 12:53, 23 December 2006 (CST)

::::Both are plausible, but depend on unlikely things: #1 depends on extreme coincidence (five priests, five final models who just happen to find the temple), #2 depends on spiritual things like possession. I hope someone else can come up with a more likely theory. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:49, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:::::I just think the scriptures prophesized the 5 priests and built the temple for them, and when the Final Five read the scriptures they eventually became convinced it reffered to them and went and did whatever they had to do at the temple. Much like Roslin's situation: the tomb of Athena was already built even if no one had ever used it before, and Roslin was already prophesized, it only took for her to realize this to go and do it all, but everything else was ready for her. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 13:57, 23 December 2006 (CST)
::::::And whatever they had to do is prophesized in the scrolls, and that is of course creative fodder for the gourmet trough of the next scriptwriters feast of an episode. [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 13:20, 24 December 2006 (CST)

There is a discrepancy. The Temple of Five is dated at 4,000 years old, built by the Thirteenth Tribe. However, Pythia's predictions were 3,600 years ago, and the Exodus from Kobol occurred 1,600 years later, making the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe 2,000 years ago, rather than 4,000. --[[User:BWMathis|BWMathis]] 18:12, 9 January 2007 (CST)
:Welcome, BWMathis. This was discussed on a couple of other talk pages, but [[Talk:The Eye of Jupiter]] has it. Specifically, based on the information, the 13th tribe left around 4000 years ago. Pythia notes it 3600 years later. Nothing says that Pythia was ''with'' the 13th Tribe; she might have chronicled the event. The 12 tribes left 2,000 years later. Chief Tyrol isn't an archeologist, so he might have rounded up. Or, this might be a retcon. It's close enough to be right, however. See [[Timeline (RDM)]] as well for some other information. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:53, 9 January 2007 (CST)

== Article title ==
Which name should we use as the article title, the Colonial name (Temple of the Five) or the Thirteenth Tribe's name (Temple of Hopes)? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:Unless they begin calling it the Temple of Hopes in all future mentions, I think we should stick with the Colonial name for the article title. After all, the show is about the Colonials.-- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 14:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::I disagree. It should be changed to the name that it really is. It's a Cylon landmark now, not a Colonial one. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::It's both, but in the show it is the Temple of Five for most of the times it is talked about, and it is only briefly noted that it used to be the Temple of Hopes.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 06:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree with Shane. We should use the proper name, and see how they will call it from now on (if this is mentioned again)-- [[User:Stavrosg|Stavrosg]] 07:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:::"Temple of Hopes" is the original name, but why is that the "proper" name? The Thirteenth Tribe had not paid it any mind for a long, ''long'' time, and the most recent and frequent references to it have used the label "Temple of Five." "Temple of Hopes" has lost its status as the primary reference, and if anything, the recent and frequent label--the one that's familiar to the characters and to viewers of the show--should be considered "proper." Using Wikipedia as a guide, it's the more recent and frequent labels that are used; for example, Bill Clinton is listed under "Bill Clinton" rather than "William Jefferson Clinton," Microsoft is listed as "Microsoft" rather than "Microsoft Corporation," and the US state of Massachusetts is listed under "Massachusetts" rather than "the Commonwealth of Massachusetts." I vote for "Temple of Five." .--[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 17:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
: A bigger question, one we may not see the answer to, is how the Colonial scriptures know to call it the Temple of Five at all? Ellen says that they stopped there on their sublight trip, and must have arrived well after the 12 tribes left Kobol for good.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 07:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
::A messenger must have returned from Earth to Kobol c 2000 years ago - how else could the Temple of Athena have been built with a map pointing to Earth? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Right, but Ellen converted the Temple of Hopes to the Temple of Five on her sublight trip back after "Earth" was nuked, which is supposedly after the 12 tribes left Kobol too. Well after. Doesn't make sense, for now.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 21:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Timeline (RDM)

2009-02-15T07:47:39Z

Bradtem:

{{timeline series}}

This article attempts to plot the events illustrated or mentioned in the history and prehistory of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

All dates use the day of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as the central time marker for all events in the series. Items that occur before the Fall are marked as "BCH", or "Before Cylon holocaust". Given the few and somewhat contradictory dates about the Colonials' ancient history and the exodus from Kobol, that part of the timeline is speculative.

==Ancient History==
*'''Over 17,000 years BCH:''' A supernova creates the [[Ionian nebula]]
*'''ca. 4,000 years BCH:''' The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] reportedly leaves [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and builds the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] on [[Algae planet|another planet]] <ref name="kobol">Tyrol says that "Our initial radiocarbon dating suggests that the temple's at least 4,000 years old, which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe." ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). This is the oldest date noted in the series's timeline, but also conflicts with the prior date of Pythia and her works as described by [[Elosha]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", where she states that the exodus of '''all 13 tribes''' occurred approximately 2,000 years ago.</ref> This contradicts [[Ellen Tigh]]'s statement that the temple was built 3,000 years ago. ([[No Exit]])
*'''ca. 3,600 years BCH:''' [[Pythia]] records her prophecies. Aside from reports of the landing on Earth and drawings of temples there, this book describes "the exile and rebirth of the human race" and a "dying leader" not making it to a "promised land," though how long before her writings that such events took place is not revealed.
*'''ca. 3,000 years BCH:''' A [[Lion's Head beacon|beacon]] is left at the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], later marking the way to Earth. At some undated point, someone travels from [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] to Kobol, passing on information about Earth, including a map of its night sky <ref>Adama says that "According to Cottle, the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] was an exact match to one reported over 3000 years ago, right around the time that the 13th colony left Kobol." ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). This contradicts the two other dates of 2,000 and 4,000 years. While the dating uncertain, it is the only clue to the beacon's age. That someone traveled back to Kobol is speculation, but an explanation for how Earth's sky could be displayed there. If true, it is still unknown on which of these two voyages the beacon was left behind.</ref>
*Unknown: The 13th colony grows and breeds, and abandons the technology of "organic memory transfer" or downloading.
*'''ca. 2,000 years BCH:''' (The order of events on Kobol and the 13th colony is uncertain.)
**The Final Five are born on the 13th colony. Ellen Tigh's father is named John.
**The Final Five work together in a research lab. They redevelop downloading technology.
**Anders and Foster receive visions of beings nobody else can see warning them of an impending war. The Final Five prepare a resurrection ship and leave it in orbit.
**The remaining Twelve Tribes leave Kobol <ref name="kobol"/>
**Lord of Kobol "Athena" kills herself in despair over this. A [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] is built for her containing a 3-D projection showing Earth and its Zodiac. The projection is activated by the Arrow of Apollo, which travels with the twelve tribes.
**Earth is left a nuclear wasteland. Copies of the Final Five die in a nuclear attack, and are recreated on board their orbiting ship.
**The Final Five begin a sublight journey back to Kobol to find the twelve tribes.
*(Unknown) The Final Five arrive at the Temple of Hopes and modify it to be the Temple of Five.
*(Unknown) The Final Five arrive at Kobol, learn the fate of the twelve tribes and head to the colonies via sublight.
*'''2,000 years to 52 years BCH:''' The Twelve Colonies grow and prosper. Each colony acts as a sovereign nation, complete with inter-colonial wars

==Recent Colonial History==
*'''At least 200 years BCH:''' Humans develop an immunity to the virus causing [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]] ([[A Measure of Salvation]]) <ref>Doctor Cottle notes the time as "a couple hundred years ago", which is an indeterminate amount of time, but likely less than four or five hundred years.</ref>
*'''69 years BCH:''' [[Saul Tigh]] supposedly born (defined by deleted scene in "[[Valley of Darkness]]" concerning the ''[[Brenik]]'') This is actually a false memory planted by [[Cavil]].
*'''64 years BCH:''' [[William Adama]] born in [[Qualai]], [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Hero]])
*'''55 - 52 years BCH:''' Somewhere during this time, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] are built to aid in hard labor and warfare ([[Miniseries]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' Cylon revolt starts the first [[Cylon War]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' [[Articles of Colonization]] signed ([[Colonial Day]], [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005])
*'''51 years BCH:''' Colonial ship ''[[Brenik]]'' is lost after a boarding action by [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]] ([[Valley of Darkness]], deleted scene)
*'''ca. 50 years BCH:''' Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' enters service
*'''42 years BCH:''' William Adama begins his service in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot, near the end of the Cylon War ("Hero", [[Razor Flashbacks]])
*'''40 years BCH:'''
**Cylons begin experiments constructing human-cylon Hybrids
**Final Five arrive in their sublight ship with war underway.
**Final Five meet the local Cylons and negotiate an end to the war if the Final Five will give them biological bodies.
**[[Operation Raptor Talon]] conducted by the Colonial Fleet. Battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' destroyed (Razor Flashbacks)
**Armistice ends the [[Cylon War]]. Cylons exile themselves from the Twelve Colonies (Miniseries)
**William Adama mustered out of the Colonial Fleet ("[[Scattered]]", [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]])
**Final Five create [[John]], Cylon #1 and raise him as a boy for a time, taking him to some beach.
*'''37 BCH:''' William Adama enlists as merchant marine and serves aboard inter-colony freighters ("Scattered", Adama's dossier)
*(Unknown): John matures and assists Final Five in creation of initial copies of 7 other humanoid Cylon models. Resurrection system built based on Final Five technology.
*(Unknown): Secret base known as "the Colony" established, where Final Five equipment is stored. Existence known only to John and the Final Five.
*'''ca. 30 BCH:'''
** John interferes with duplication multiple copies of of [[Daniel]]. His destruction is more permanent than a [[boxing]].
** Final Five suffocated by John. New bodies are created with false memories. [[Saul Tigh]] introduced to colonies as military officer with false history of fighting in war.
** [[Ellen Tigh]] presumably introduced shortly thereafter, with others coming later.
*'''ca. 28 BCH:'''
** [[Galen Tyrol]] supposedly born <ref>At the time of the Cylon attack, Tyrol has "ten years experience" ([[Miniseries]]), and has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This puts his birth in approximately 28 BCH, allowing for a few years leeway with the first comment.</ref> This is actually a false memory planted by [[Cavil]].
** First meeting between William Adama and Saul Tigh ("Scattered", "[[Torn]]") <ref>The podcast for "[[Scattered]]" places their meeting "twenty years ago". In "[[Torn]]", Adama states that he has known Tigh for 30 years. Furthermore, [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his reinstatement into the Colonial Fleet at 23 BCH. ''Battlestar Wiki'' choses to use the more consistent dates.</ref>
*'''ca. 27 BCH:''' William and [[Carolanne Adama]] meet and marry <ref name = "leezak">This date is assumed as follows: Zak died 2 BCH. Since he graduated from some kind of military academy, he would at least 22 years old, following real world models. On a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] of William Adama with his sons, Lee seems to be about two years older than Zak. Adama and his wife probably met not long before Lee's birth.</ref>
*'''ca. 26 BCH:''' [[Lee Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''ca. 24 BCH:''' [[Zak Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''23 years BCH:''' William Adama reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain and is assigned to the battlestar ''[[Universal]]'' <ref>[[:Image:William Adama's Reinstatement Letter.jpg|This information comes from a prop used in the episode "Scattered".]]</ref> ("Scattered" deleted scene, Adama's dossier)
*'''21 years BCH:''' Saul Tigh reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain by now-Major Adama (Scattered) <ref>The time between Adama's and Tigh's reinstatement is not specified on screen. The February/March issue of ''Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine'' gives it as two years: "''Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service.''"</ref>
*'''20 years BCH:'''
**Last significant [[FTL]] jump recorded in ''Galactica's'' logs (Miniseries)
**[[Tom Zarek]] imprisoned for blowing up a government building on [[Sagittaron]] ([[Bastille Day]])
*'''17 BCH:''' William Adama assigned to the battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', where he makes his 1000th Viper landing (Adama's dossier, "[[Act of Contrition]]")
*'''13 years BCH:''' William Adama assigned as executive officer to the new battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' (Adama's dossier)
*'''11 years BCH:''' [[Laura Roslin]] begins her career in politics ([[Litmus]])
*'''ca. 10 years BCH:''' Galen Tyrol enlists in the Colonial Fleet as a non-commissioned officer (Miniseries)
*'''9 years BCH:''' William Adama promoted to commander and assigned as commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero")
*'''7 years BCH:''' Saul and [[Ellen Tigh]] marry again ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]])
*'''6 years BCH:''' William Adama leads an aborted covert intelligence mission aboard ''Valkyrie''. [[Daniel Novacek]] is shot down and captured by the Cylons. Adama and Tigh are subsequently assigned to ''Galactica'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero") <ref name="hero">While dialogue from "[[Hero]]" places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error and change the date.</ref>
*'''5 years BCH:'''
**[[Laura Roslin]]'s last breast exam prior to her cancer diagnosis ([[Act of Contrition]])
**Galen Tyrol assigned to ''Galactica'' ([[Litmus]]) <ref>Since Adama states that Tyrol has been under his commander for "over five years", this might also be one year earlier.</ref>
*'''4 years BCH:'''
**[[Kara Thrace]] graduates from the Colonial Fleet Academy ([[Maelstrom]])
**[[Socrata Thrace]] dies of stomach cancer (Maelstrom)
*'''3 years BCH:''' [[Felix Gaeta]] assigned to ''Galactica'' (Miniseries)
*'''2 years BCH:'''
**[[Caprica Six]] begins residence on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]), first encounters Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] (Miniseries)
**[[Sharon Valerii]] begins service aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Farm]])
**Zak Adama dies in a flight school accident (Miniseries)
**Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] is re-assigned from flight school to ''Galactica'' ([[Act of Contrition]])
*'''1 Year BCH:'''
**Last time William and Carolanne Adama speak (Miniseries)
**Carolanne Adama gets engaged (Miniseries)
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] last visits her home ([[Final Cut]])

==Events of the [[Miniseries]]==
*'''Zero Hour:'''
**The [[Armistice Station]] is destroyed by [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces
**Laura Roslin is diagnosed with inoperable breast cancer
**''Galactica'' is decommissioned
**The [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] are heavily bombarded by nuclear bombs
**[[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] [[Fleet Headquarters]] is destroyed
**''Galactica's'' last [[Viper Mark VII]] squadron is destroyed
**A battle near [[Virgon (RDM)|Virgon]] ends with the total loss of the remaining Colonial Fleet including the flagship ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''
**The [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' luckily escapes the destruction of the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", "[[Razor]]")
**''Galactica'' engages [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s and survives with moderate damage and 85 dead
**Last transmission from the Colonies received by Laura Roslin aboard ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' from a [[Jack|fellow secretary]]
**[[Case Orange]] contingency mechanism assigns Roslin the office of the President of the Twelve Colonies
**Roslin gathers stranded civilian and military ships in the vicinity of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]
**Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] assumes overall Fleet command and orders regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]
**Roslin's fleet survives two Cylon attacks and meets at Ragnar
**''Galactica'' changes from battle stance to civilian protection, and escorts the civilian fleet from Ragnar towards the [[Prolmar Sector]]

== Season 1 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 1 (RDM)]]''

== Season 2 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]]''

== Season 3 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 3 (RDM)]]''

== Season 4 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 4 (RDM)]]''

== References ==
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Talk:The Temple of Hopes/Archive 1

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'''The Temple of Five Lords.'''

I knew I had heard this title before somewhere, In Battlestar Galactica's case it does not refer to this. However,

::''"In China where Haikou and Qiongshan border on each other there is a grouping of ancient buildings. The group is comprised of temples, gardens and the houses of five famous ministers of the Tang and Song dynasties. Construction of these ancient buildings began during the reign of Emperor Wanli of the Ming Dynasty. The group takes its name from its main building, which is also called the '''Memorial Temple of Five Lords'''. Nine meters in height, the temple is a two-story wooden building covering a floor-space of 560 square meters. During the Tang and Song dynasties, five outstanding ministers were demoted and exiled to Hainan-the bleak end of the earth at that time. And it was to them that the temple was dedicated. With a golden-glazed board reading “Number One Building of Hainan” hung at the front, the temple has become the most popular site among Hainan’s cultural relics."''
::exerpt taken from [http://www.china.org.cn/english/travel/42545.htm Here]
I know that BSG hasn't used any asian references insofar, but I thought it might be interesting to add, and get the imagination going.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:30, 1 December 2006 (CST)
::: In Chinese, it is called "[http://www.hainan.gov.cn/data/lyxx_jd/2003/12/19/ 五公祠]"(in Chinese).-- [[User:SuperMMX|SuperMMX]] 03:49, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:This really isn't an article since there's nothing really to say. However, we can keep it as a placeholder since we know of [[Number Three]] and her strange vision quest with five luminous beings, and of the Final Five. Probably related. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:51, 1 December 2006 (CST)

::There's nothing to say yet, true... I had thought that there should be at least a "placeholder" as you said, just because there should be an inevitable development around this subject. Anyway never opposed to getting rid of it later if it gets in the way.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 08:12, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Ok. I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned this, but the Temple of Five "priests" == [[Cylon Models#Final five|five missing Cylon models]], which are devoted to the one god, a jealous god... connection? [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 00:35, 19 December 2006 (CST)

:Maybe. Maybe. A group of humans who are connected with creation of the first humanoid Cylons? Another link to the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon god? Baltar's ultimate destiny? Much will be answered in the next episode... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:50, 19 December 2006 (CST)
::This leaves one logic gap: the temple is thousands of years old (since the exodus from Kobol happened thousands of years ago), but the humanoid Cylons cannot be more than 50 years old. How can they possibly be connected? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 10:53, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually the agents couldn't be more than 40 (assuming that only the original chrome-jobs existed at the armistice and made the humanoids, at the earliest, within a year after their exile). Series information tells us that Cylon agents were in the Colonial's midst no earlier than 2 years prior to the [[miniseries]]. The number that the Colonials date the structure is about 4,000 years. This approximates the time of the Thirteenth Tribe's exodus, at about 3,600 years (see [[Pythia]]). The mystery likely involves what Roslin read from the Scrolls: the Temple's five obelisks represent five ''human priests'' (Cylons in ''any'' form did not exist, or so we think) that worshiped the One Who Name Cannot Be (something). Could that entity be the Cylon God (believed to be the "jealous" God of Kobol that led to the tribal exodus)? [[Dodona Selloi]], a human oracle, also relays a message from the Cylon God to D'Anna-Three, further suggesting that the Cylon God and the Lords are Kobol are connected. The [[Hybrid]]'s information about the Eye of Jupiter further reinforces a connection. We know much, and yet so little. That alone gives you a big "holy frak" feeling after watching this cliffhanger. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:47, 19 December 2006 (CST)
::::I see two plausible theories here:
::::1. The fact that there are five missing models and five priests is just a coincidence. The Final Five left Cylon society for some reason and ran across an abandoned manmade temple, which just happened to contain a lot of reference to the number five. Deducing that it had to be the Temple of Five the Scriptures write about, they thought it fitting to leave clues to their identity there.
::::2. The Final Five were somehow 'possessed' (or something similar) by the 'ghosts' of the five priests, and were threatened to be boxed for that, so they fled. They hid clues in the Temple of the Five, a place which they could easily find and was of great importance to them.
:::::Or 3. The [[Religion_in_the_Twelve_Colonies#The Cycle of Time|Cycle of Time]] - The past equals the present. ($PAST == $PRESENT) The five priests of the one [http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=33899428 jealous god] in the past are the same as the five Cylons models. The five in the past came to the same conclusions as the five in the present. [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 12:53, 23 December 2006 (CST)

::::Both are plausible, but depend on unlikely things: #1 depends on extreme coincidence (five priests, five final models who just happen to find the temple), #2 depends on spiritual things like possession. I hope someone else can come up with a more likely theory. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:49, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:::::I just think the scriptures prophesized the 5 priests and built the temple for them, and when the Final Five read the scriptures they eventually became convinced it reffered to them and went and did whatever they had to do at the temple. Much like Roslin's situation: the tomb of Athena was already built even if no one had ever used it before, and Roslin was already prophesized, it only took for her to realize this to go and do it all, but everything else was ready for her. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 13:57, 23 December 2006 (CST)
::::::And whatever they had to do is prophesized in the scrolls, and that is of course creative fodder for the gourmet trough of the next scriptwriters feast of an episode. [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 13:20, 24 December 2006 (CST)

There is a discrepancy. The Temple of Five is dated at 4,000 years old, built by the Thirteenth Tribe. However, Pythia's predictions were 3,600 years ago, and the Exodus from Kobol occurred 1,600 years later, making the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe 2,000 years ago, rather than 4,000. --[[User:BWMathis|BWMathis]] 18:12, 9 January 2007 (CST)
:Welcome, BWMathis. This was discussed on a couple of other talk pages, but [[Talk:The Eye of Jupiter]] has it. Specifically, based on the information, the 13th tribe left around 4000 years ago. Pythia notes it 3600 years later. Nothing says that Pythia was ''with'' the 13th Tribe; she might have chronicled the event. The 12 tribes left 2,000 years later. Chief Tyrol isn't an archeologist, so he might have rounded up. Or, this might be a retcon. It's close enough to be right, however. See [[Timeline (RDM)]] as well for some other information. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:53, 9 January 2007 (CST)

== Article title ==
Which name should we use as the article title, the Colonial name (Temple of the Five) or the Thirteenth Tribe's name (Temple of Hopes)? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:Unless they begin calling it the Temple of Hopes in all future mentions, I think we should stick with the Colonial name for the article title. After all, the show is about the Colonials.-- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 14:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::I disagree. It should be changed to the name that it really is. It's a Cylon landmark now, not a Colonial one. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::It's both, but in the show it is the Temple of Five for most of the times it is talked about, and it is only briefly noted that it used to be the Temple of Hopes.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 06:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree with Shane. We should use the proper name, and see how they will call it from now on (if this is mentioned again)-- [[User:Stavrosg|Stavrosg]] 07:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
: A bigger question, one we may not see the answer to, is how the Colonial scriptures know to call it the Temple of Five at all? Ellen says that they stopped there on their sublight trip, and must have arrived well after the 12 tribes left Kobol for good.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 07:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Timeline (RDM)

2009-02-15T07:09:42Z

Bradtem: /* Recent Colonial History */ Final Five entries

{{timeline series}}

This article attempts to plot the events illustrated or mentioned in the history and prehistory of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

All dates use the day of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as the central time marker for all events in the series. Items that occur before the Fall are marked as "BCH", or "Before Cylon holocaust". Given the few and somewhat contradictory dates about the Colonials' ancient history and the exodus from Kobol, that part of the timeline is speculative.

==Ancient History==
*'''Over 17,000 years BCH:''' A supernova creates the [[Ionian nebula]]
*'''ca. 4,000 years BCH:''' The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] reportedly leaves [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and builds the [[Temple of Hopes]] on [[Algae planet|another planet]] <ref name="kobol">Tyrol says that "Our initial radiocarbon dating suggests that the temple's at least 4,000 years old, which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe." ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). This is the oldest date noted in the series's timeline, but also conflicts with the prior date of Pythia and her works as described by [[Elosha]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", where she states that the exodus of '''all 13 tribes''' occurred approximately 2,000 years ago.</ref> This contradicts [[Ellen Tigh]]'s statement that the temple was built 3,000 years ago. ([[No Exit]])
*'''ca. 3,600 years BCH:''' [[Pythia]] records her prophecies. Aside from reports of the landing on Earth and drawings of temples there, this book describes "the exile and rebirth of the human race" and a "dying leader" not making it to a "promised land," though how long before her writings that such events took place is not revealed.
*'''ca. 3,000 years BCH:''' A [[Lion's Head beacon|beacon]] is left at the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], later marking the way to Earth. At some undated point, someone travels from [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] to Kobol, passing on information about Earth, including a map of its night sky <ref>Adama says that "According to Cottle, the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] was an exact match to one reported over 3000 years ago, right around the time that the 13th colony left Kobol." ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). This contradicts the two other dates of 2,000 and 4,000 years. While the dating uncertain, it is the only clue to the beacon's age. That someone traveled back to Kobol is speculation, but an explanation for how Earth's sky could be displayed there. If true, it is still unknown on which of these two voyages the beacon was left behind.</ref>
*Unknown: The 13th colony grows and breeds, and abandons the technology of "organic memory transfer" or downloading.
*'''ca. 2,000 years BCH:''' (The order of events on Kobol and the 13th colony is uncertain.)
**The Final Five are born on the 13th colony. Ellen Tigh's father is named John.
**The Final Five work together in a research lab. They redevelop downloading technology.
**Anders and Foster get visions of [[Virtual Beings]] who warn them of an impending war. The five prepare a resurrection ship and leave it in orbit.
**The remaining Twelve Tribes leave Kobol <ref name="kobol"/>
**Lord of Kobol "Athena" kills herself in despair over this. A [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] is built for her containing a 3-D projection showing Earth and its Zodiac. The projection is activated by the Arrow of Apollo, which travels with the twelve tribes.
**Earth is left a nuclear wasteland. Copies of the Final Five die in a nuclear attack, and are recreated on board their orbiting ship.
**The Final Five begin a sublight journey back to Kobol to find the twelve tribes.
*(Unknown) The Final Five arrive at the Temple of Hopes and modify it to be the Temple of Five.
*(Unknown) The Final Five arrive at Kobol, learn the fate of the twelve tribes and head to the colonies via sublight.
*'''2,000 years to 52 years BCH:''' The Twelve Colonies grow and prosper. Each colony acts as a sovereign nation, complete with inter-colonial wars

==Recent Colonial History==
*'''At least 200 years BCH:''' Humans develop an immunity to the virus causing [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]] ([[A Measure of Salvation]]) <ref>Doctor Cottle notes the time as "a couple hundred years ago", which is an indeterminate amount of time, but likely less than four or five hundred years.</ref>
*'''69 years BCH:''' [[Saul Tigh]] supposedly born (defined by deleted scene in "[[Valley of Darkness]]" concerning the ''[[Brenik]]'') This is actually a false memory planted by [[Cavil]].
*'''64 years BCH:''' [[William Adama]] born in [[Qualai]], [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Hero]])
*'''55 - 52 years BCH:''' Somewhere during this time, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] are built to aid in hard labor and warfare ([[Miniseries]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' Cylon revolt starts the first [[Cylon War]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' [[Articles of Colonization]] signed ([[Colonial Day]], [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005])
*'''51 years BCH:''' Colonial ship ''[[Brenik]]'' is lost after a boarding action by [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]] ([[Valley of Darkness]], deleted scene)
*'''ca. 50 years BCH:''' Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' enters service
*'''42 years BCH:''' William Adama begins his service in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot, near the end of the Cylon War ("Hero", [[Razor Flashbacks]])
*'''40 years BCH:'''
**Cylons begin experiments constructing human-cylon Hybrids
**Final Five arrive in their sublight ship with war underway.
**Final Five meet the local Cylons and negotiate an end to the war if the Final Five will give them biological bodies.
**[[Operation Raptor Talon]] conducted by the Colonial Fleet. Battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' destroyed (Razor Flashbacks)
**Armistice ends the [[Cylon War]]. Cylons exile themselves from the Twelve Colonies (Miniseries)
**William Adama mustered out of the Colonial Fleet ("[[Scattered]]", [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]])
**Final Five create [[John]], Cylon #1 and raise him as a boy for a time, taking him to some beach.
*'''37 BCH:''' William Adama enlists as merchant marine and serves aboard inter-colony freighters ("Scattered", Adama's dossier)
*(Unknown): John matures and assists Final Five in creation of initial copies of 7 other humanoid Cylon models. Resurrection system built based on Final Five technology.
*(Unknown): Secret base known as "the Colony" established, where Final Five equipment is stored. Existence known only to John and the Final Five.
*'''ca. 30 BCH:'''
** John interferes with duplication multiple copies of of [[Daniel]]. His destruction is more permanent than a [[boxing]].
** Final Five suffocated by John. New bodies are created with false memories. [[Saul Tigh]] introduced to colonies as military officer with false history of fighting in war.
** [[Ellen Tigh]] presumably introduced shortly thereafter, with others coming later.
*'''ca. 28 BCH:'''
** [[Galen Tyrol]] supposedly born <ref>At the time of the Cylon attack, Tyrol has "ten years experience" ([[Miniseries]]), and has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This puts his birth in approximately 28 BCH, allowing for a few years leeway with the first comment.</ref> This is actually a false memory planted by [[Cavil]].
** First meeting between William Adama and Saul Tigh ("Scattered", "[[Torn]]") <ref>The podcast for "[[Scattered]]" places their meeting "twenty years ago". In "[[Torn]]", Adama states that he has known Tigh for 30 years. Furthermore, [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his reinstatement into the Colonial Fleet at 23 BCH. ''Battlestar Wiki'' choses to use the more consistent dates.</ref>
*'''ca. 27 BCH:''' William and [[Carolanne Adama]] meet and marry <ref name = "leezak">This date is assumed as follows: Zak died 2 BCH. Since he graduated from some kind of military academy, he would at least 22 years old, following real world models. On a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] of William Adama with his sons, Lee seems to be about two years older than Zak. Adama and his wife probably met not long before Lee's birth.</ref>
*'''ca. 26 BCH:''' [[Lee Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''ca. 24 BCH:''' [[Zak Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''23 years BCH:''' William Adama reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain and is assigned to the battlestar ''[[Universal]]'' <ref>[[:Image:William Adama's Reinstatement Letter.jpg|This information comes from a prop used in the episode "Scattered".]]</ref> ("Scattered" deleted scene, Adama's dossier)
*'''21 years BCH:''' Saul Tigh reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain by now-Major Adama (Scattered) <ref>The time between Adama's and Tigh's reinstatement is not specified on screen. The February/March issue of ''Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine'' gives it as two years: "''Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service.''"</ref>
*'''20 years BCH:'''
**Last significant [[FTL]] jump recorded in ''Galactica's'' logs (Miniseries)
**[[Tom Zarek]] imprisoned for blowing up a government building on [[Sagittaron]] ([[Bastille Day]])
*'''17 BCH:''' William Adama assigned to the battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', where he makes his 1000th Viper landing (Adama's dossier, "[[Act of Contrition]]")
*'''13 years BCH:''' William Adama assigned as executive officer to the new battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' (Adama's dossier)
*'''11 years BCH:''' [[Laura Roslin]] begins her career in politics ([[Litmus]])
*'''ca. 10 years BCH:''' Galen Tyrol enlists in the Colonial Fleet as a non-commissioned officer (Miniseries)
*'''9 years BCH:''' William Adama promoted to commander and assigned as commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero")
*'''7 years BCH:''' Saul and [[Ellen Tigh]] marry again ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]])
*'''6 years BCH:''' William Adama leads an aborted covert intelligence mission aboard ''Valkyrie''. [[Daniel Novacek]] is shot down and captured by the Cylons. Adama and Tigh are subsequently assigned to ''Galactica'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero") <ref name="hero">While dialogue from "[[Hero]]" places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error and change the date.</ref>
*'''5 years BCH:'''
**[[Laura Roslin]]'s last breast exam prior to her cancer diagnosis ([[Act of Contrition]])
**Galen Tyrol assigned to ''Galactica'' ([[Litmus]]) <ref>Since Adama states that Tyrol has been under his commander for "over five years", this might also be one year earlier.</ref>
*'''4 years BCH:'''
**[[Kara Thrace]] graduates from the Colonial Fleet Academy ([[Maelstrom]])
**[[Socrata Thrace]] dies of stomach cancer (Maelstrom)
*'''3 years BCH:''' [[Felix Gaeta]] assigned to ''Galactica'' (Miniseries)
*'''2 years BCH:'''
**[[Caprica Six]] begins residence on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]), first encounters Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] (Miniseries)
**[[Sharon Valerii]] begins service aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Farm]])
**Zak Adama dies in a flight school accident (Miniseries)
**Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] is re-assigned from flight school to ''Galactica'' ([[Act of Contrition]])
*'''1 Year BCH:'''
**Last time William and Carolanne Adama speak (Miniseries)
**Carolanne Adama gets engaged (Miniseries)
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] last visits her home ([[Final Cut]])

==Events of the [[Miniseries]]==
*'''Zero Hour:'''
**The [[Armistice Station]] is destroyed by [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces
**Laura Roslin is diagnosed with inoperable breast cancer
**''Galactica'' is decommissioned
**The [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] are heavily bombarded by nuclear bombs
**[[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] [[Fleet Headquarters]] is destroyed
**''Galactica's'' last [[Viper Mark VII]] squadron is destroyed
**A battle near [[Virgon (RDM)|Virgon]] ends with the total loss of the remaining Colonial Fleet including the flagship ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''
**The [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' luckily escapes the destruction of the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", "[[Razor]]")
**''Galactica'' engages [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s and survives with moderate damage and 85 dead
**Last transmission from the Colonies received by Laura Roslin aboard ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' from a [[Jack|fellow secretary]]
**[[Case Orange]] contingency mechanism assigns Roslin the office of the President of the Twelve Colonies
**Roslin gathers stranded civilian and military ships in the vicinity of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]
**Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] assumes overall Fleet command and orders regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]
**Roslin's fleet survives two Cylon attacks and meets at Ragnar
**''Galactica'' changes from battle stance to civilian protection, and escorts the civilian fleet from Ragnar towards the [[Prolmar Sector]]

== Season 1 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 1 (RDM)]]''

== Season 2 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]]''

== Season 3 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 3 (RDM)]]''

== Season 4 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 4 (RDM)]]''

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
[[Category:RDM]]

[[de:Zeitlinie]]

Timeline (RDM)

2009-02-15T06:57:00Z

Bradtem: /* Ancient History */ final five

{{timeline series}}

This article attempts to plot the events illustrated or mentioned in the history and prehistory of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

All dates use the day of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as the central time marker for all events in the series. Items that occur before the Fall are marked as "BCH", or "Before Cylon holocaust". Given the few and somewhat contradictory dates about the Colonials' ancient history and the exodus from Kobol, that part of the timeline is speculative.

==Ancient History==
*'''Over 17,000 years BCH:''' A supernova creates the [[Ionian nebula]]
*'''ca. 4,000 years BCH:''' The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] reportedly leaves [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and builds the [[Temple of Hopes]] on [[Algae planet|another planet]] <ref name="kobol">Tyrol says that "Our initial radiocarbon dating suggests that the temple's at least 4,000 years old, which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe." ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). This is the oldest date noted in the series's timeline, but also conflicts with the prior date of Pythia and her works as described by [[Elosha]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", where she states that the exodus of '''all 13 tribes''' occurred approximately 2,000 years ago.</ref> This contradicts [[Ellen Tigh]]'s statement that the temple was built 3,000 years ago. ([[No Exit]])
*'''ca. 3,600 years BCH:''' [[Pythia]] records her prophecies. Aside from reports of the landing on Earth and drawings of temples there, this book describes "the exile and rebirth of the human race" and a "dying leader" not making it to a "promised land," though how long before her writings that such events took place is not revealed.
*'''ca. 3,000 years BCH:''' A [[Lion's Head beacon|beacon]] is left at the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], later marking the way to Earth. At some undated point, someone travels from [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] to Kobol, passing on information about Earth, including a map of its night sky <ref>Adama says that "According to Cottle, the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] was an exact match to one reported over 3000 years ago, right around the time that the 13th colony left Kobol." ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). This contradicts the two other dates of 2,000 and 4,000 years. While the dating uncertain, it is the only clue to the beacon's age. That someone traveled back to Kobol is speculation, but an explanation for how Earth's sky could be displayed there. If true, it is still unknown on which of these two voyages the beacon was left behind.</ref>
*Unknown: The 13th colony grows and breeds, and abandons the technology of "organic memory transfer" or downloading.
*'''ca. 2,000 years BCH:''' (The order of events on Kobol and the 13th colony is uncertain.)
**The Final Five are born on the 13th colony. Ellen Tigh's father is named John.
**The Final Five work together in a research lab. They redevelop downloading technology.
**Anders and Foster get visions of [[Virtual Beings]] who warn them of an impending war. The five prepare a resurrection ship and leave it in orbit.
**The remaining Twelve Tribes leave Kobol <ref name="kobol"/>
**Lord of Kobol "Athena" kills herself in despair over this. A [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] is built for her containing a 3-D projection showing Earth and its Zodiac. The projection is activated by the Arrow of Apollo, which travels with the twelve tribes.
**Earth is left a nuclear wasteland. Copies of the Final Five die in a nuclear attack, and are recreated on board their orbiting ship.
**The Final Five begin a sublight journey back to Kobol to find the twelve tribes.
*(Unknown) The Final Five arrive at the Temple of Hopes and modify it to be the Temple of Five.
*(Unknown) The Final Five arrive at Kobol, learn the fate of the twelve tribes and head to the colonies via sublight.
*'''2,000 years to 52 years BCH:''' The Twelve Colonies grow and prosper. Each colony acts as a sovereign nation, complete with inter-colonial wars

==Recent Colonial History==
*'''At least 200 years BCH:''' Humans develop an immunity to the virus causing [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]] ([[A Measure of Salvation]]) <ref>Doctor Cottle notes the time as "a couple hundred years ago", which is an indeterminate amount of time, but likely less than four or five hundred years.</ref>
*'''69 years BCH:''' [[Saul Tigh]] born (defined by deleted scene in "[[Valley of Darkness]]" concerning the ''[[Brenik]]'') (He has [[Crossroads, Part II|recently]] been revealed as a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], presumably making his birth questionable.)
*'''64 years BCH:''' [[William Adama]] born in [[Qualai]], [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Hero]])
*'''55 - 52 years BCH:''' Somewhere during this time, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] are built to aid in hard labor and warfare ([[Miniseries]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' Cylon revolt starts the first [[Cylon War]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' [[Articles of Colonization]] signed ([[Colonial Day]], [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005])
*'''51 years BCH:''' Colonial ship ''[[Brenik]]'' is lost after a boarding action by [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]] ([[Valley of Darkness]], deleted scene)
*'''ca. 50 years BCH:''' Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' enters service
*'''42 years BCH:''' William Adama begins his service in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot, near the end of the Cylon War ("Hero", [[Razor Flashbacks]])
*'''40 years BCH:'''
**[[Operation Raptor Talon]] conducted by the Colonial Fleet. Battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' destroyed (Razor Flashbacks)
**Armistice ends the [[Cylon War]]. Cylons exile themselves from the Twelve Colonies (Miniseries)
**William Adama mustered out of the Colonial Fleet ("[[Scattered]]", [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]])
*'''37 BCH:''' William Adama enlists as merchant marine and serves aboard inter-colony freighters ("Scattered", Adama's dossier)
*'''ca. 28 BCH:'''
** [[Galen Tyrol]] born <ref>At the time of the Cylon attack, Tyrol has "ten years experience" ([[Miniseries]]), and has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This puts his birth in approximately 28 BCH, allowing for a few years leeway with the first comment.</ref> (His revelation as a Cylon calls this date into question.)
** First meeting between William Adama and Saul Tigh ("Scattered", "[[Torn]]") <ref>The podcast for "[[Scattered]]" places their meeting "twenty years ago". In "[[Torn]]", Adama states that he has known Tigh for 30 years. Furthermore, [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his reinstatement into the Colonial Fleet at 23 BCH. ''Battlestar Wiki'' choses to use the more consistent dates.</ref>
*'''ca. 27 BCH:''' William and [[Carolanne Adama]] meet and marry <ref name = "leezak">This date is assumed as follows: Zak died 2 BCH. Since he graduated from some kind of military academy, he would at least 22 years old, following real world models. On a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] of William Adama with his sons, Lee seems to be about two years older than Zak. Adama and his wife probably met not long before Lee's birth.</ref>
*'''ca. 26 BCH:''' [[Lee Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''ca. 24 BCH:''' [[Zak Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''23 years BCH:''' William Adama reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain and is assigned to the battlestar ''[[Universal]]'' <ref>[[:Image:William Adama's Reinstatement Letter.jpg|This information comes from a prop used in the episode "Scattered".]]</ref> ("Scattered" deleted scene, Adama's dossier)
*'''21 years BCH:''' Saul Tigh reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain by now-Major Adama (Scattered) <ref>The time between Adama's and Tigh's reinstatement is not specified on screen. The February/March issue of ''Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine'' gives it as two years: "''Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service.''"</ref>
*'''20 years BCH:'''
**Last significant [[FTL]] jump recorded in ''Galactica's'' logs (Miniseries)
**[[Tom Zarek]] imprisoned for blowing up a government building on [[Sagittaron]] ([[Bastille Day]])
*'''17 BCH:''' William Adama assigned to the battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', where he makes his 1000th Viper landing (Adama's dossier, "[[Act of Contrition]]")
*'''13 years BCH:''' William Adama assigned as executive officer to the new battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' (Adama's dossier)
*'''11 years BCH:''' [[Laura Roslin]] begins her career in politics ([[Litmus]])
*'''ca. 10 years BCH:''' Galen Tyrol enlists in the Colonial Fleet as a non-commissioned officer (Miniseries)
*'''9 years BCH:''' William Adama promoted to commander and assigned as commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero")
*'''7 years BCH:''' Saul and [[Ellen Tigh]] marry ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]])
*'''6 years BCH:''' William Adama leads an aborted covert intelligence mission aboard ''Valkyrie''. [[Daniel Novacek]] is shot down and captured by the Cylons. Adama and Tigh are subsequently assigned to ''Galactica'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero") <ref name="hero">While dialogue from "[[Hero]]" places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error and change the date.</ref>
*'''5 years BCH:'''
**[[Laura Roslin]]'s last breast exam prior to her cancer diagnosis ([[Act of Contrition]])
**Galen Tyrol assigned to ''Galactica'' ([[Litmus]]) <ref>Since Adama states that Tyrol has been under his commander for "over five years", this might also be one year earlier.</ref>
*'''4 years BCH:'''
**[[Kara Thrace]] graduates from the Colonial Fleet Academy ([[Maelstrom]])
**[[Socrata Thrace]] dies of stomach cancer (Maelstrom)
*'''3 years BCH:''' [[Felix Gaeta]] assigned to ''Galactica'' (Miniseries)
*'''2 years BCH:'''
**[[Caprica Six]] begins residence on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]), first encounters Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] (Miniseries)
**[[Sharon Valerii]] begins service aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Farm]])
**Zak Adama dies in a flight school accident (Miniseries)
**Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] is re-assigned from flight school to ''Galactica'' ([[Act of Contrition]])
*'''1 Year BCH:'''
**Last time William and Carolanne Adama speak (Miniseries)
**Carolanne Adama gets engaged (Miniseries)
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] last visits her home ([[Final Cut]])

==Events of the [[Miniseries]]==
*'''Zero Hour:'''
**The [[Armistice Station]] is destroyed by [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces
**Laura Roslin is diagnosed with inoperable breast cancer
**''Galactica'' is decommissioned
**The [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] are heavily bombarded by nuclear bombs
**[[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] [[Fleet Headquarters]] is destroyed
**''Galactica's'' last [[Viper Mark VII]] squadron is destroyed
**A battle near [[Virgon (RDM)|Virgon]] ends with the total loss of the remaining Colonial Fleet including the flagship ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''
**The [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' luckily escapes the destruction of the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", "[[Razor]]")
**''Galactica'' engages [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s and survives with moderate damage and 85 dead
**Last transmission from the Colonies received by Laura Roslin aboard ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' from a [[Jack|fellow secretary]]
**[[Case Orange]] contingency mechanism assigns Roslin the office of the President of the Twelve Colonies
**Roslin gathers stranded civilian and military ships in the vicinity of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]
**Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] assumes overall Fleet command and orders regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]
**Roslin's fleet survives two Cylon attacks and meets at Ragnar
**''Galactica'' changes from battle stance to civilian protection, and escorts the civilian fleet from Ragnar towards the [[Prolmar Sector]]

== Season 1 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 1 (RDM)]]''

== Season 2 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]]''

== Season 3 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 3 (RDM)]]''

== Season 4 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 4 (RDM)]]''

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
[[Category:RDM]]

[[de:Zeitlinie]]

Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series

2009-02-15T06:47:10Z

Bradtem: final five sublight trip

:''For information on the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series']] modes of propulsion, see [[Propulsion (TOS)]].''

{{RDM science series}}
In the [[Re-imagined Series]], propulsion systems are powered by fuel refined from [[tylium|tylium ore]]. A ship's primary propulsion systems, referred to as "sublight engines", allow it to travel at a slight fraction of the speed of light, which is sufficient to traverse the distances between planets in a solar system in relatively short timeframes. Most ships in the series also have a secondary system, called a [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series#Faster-Than-Light travel|'''faster-than-light drive''']] (or '''"FTL"'''), that enables a ship to travel interstellar distances almost instantaneously, by "folding up space" in between the ship and its destination. Since, under normal circumstances, a ship that has used its FTL drive cannot be followed without explicit information about its destination, this technology is used extensively in strategic and tactical manuevers.

==Sublight propulsion==

In the Re-imagined Series, all ships have some manner of sublight flight ability. Sublight propulsion is convenient for intra-solar system travel (such as to or from the planets that comprise the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]), but cannot be used for travel outside of a solar system as the time to arrive at a destination may exceed the fuel supply of the ship or the lifetime of the crew that fly the ship.

As many of the ships of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] are capable of landing on and taking off from planets, (such as [[New Caprica]]) it is clear that sublight engines work in an atmosphere as well as in space. ''Galactica'' is never seen doing this, and its large mass might prohibit planetary landings altogether, but it employs sublight engines for normal spaceflight. Few of the ships appear to have extremely large propellant tanks as would be required for rocketry as it is presently understood, in spite of having aft-mounted thrusters. This may be explained by the very high energy density of [[tylium]] fuel. Smaller vessels are known to employ rocketry-based [[Navigation in the Re-imagined Series|RCS thrusters]] for maneuvering and small course adjustments.

Vipers are equipped with a thrust reversal system to counteract or arrest their forward momentum ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). No such mechanism exists on capital ships, but such vessels might turn by 180° to decelerate.

Cylons [[Basestar (RDM)|baseships]] do not have any visible exhaust nozzles or other external structural mechanisms that suggest propulsion ability. It is possible that force fields of the [[Gravity in the Re-imagined Series|artificial gravity]] generators are the source of the sublight propulsion.

Both Colonial ([[Hero]]) and Cylon missiles used in combat appear to be rockets, leaving a trail of gas behind them.

The law of conservation of momentum requires that any propulsion system which adds momentum to a spacecraft or missile in one direction must equal the amount of momentum that is imparted in the opposite direction to something else, as in the example of the controlled combustion of rocket fuel creating thrust in the opposite direction of a ship's or missile's movement. ''[[Pegasus]]'', for example, possesses two very large thrusters on the bow of the ship to counteract the force of the main engines ([[Razor]]). However, many other vessels don't appear to have such thrusters.

===Relativistic Sublight===
For reasons not yet clarified, FTL is unavailable to the [[Final Five]] on their trip from the destroyed 13th colony to the twelve colonies, via the [[Algae planet]] and [[Kobol]]. They use a sublight drive able to reach relativistic speeds (a substantial fraction of the speed of light.) The journey takes about 2,000 years in the planetary reference frame, and a more modest number of years in their ship's reference frame. (Due to their indefinite lifespan, the actual duration of the trip in their reference frame is not easily determined.)

Relativistic sublight travel requires immense amounts of energy and momentum, and is unlikely to be built if FTL is available. However, since it is only one Cylon jump (about 10x the colonial red line distance of 30 light years) from Kobol to the twelve colonies([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]) this requires the distance from Kobol to the 13th colony be much larger, which would not allow the 13th tribe to reach the colony and send back the story of their landing and growth in the 1,000 years between their departure and their destruction without FTL.

==Faster-Than-Light travel==

''FTL'' is a acronym for '''F'''aster-'''T'''han-'''L'''ight. The term refers to a means of interstellar propulsion utilized by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonials]]. A common shorthand term for FTL travel is '''"jumping"''', as this space-folding drive involves making instantaneous "jumps" across vast distances in space.<ref>http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/about/glossary/</ref>

[[Image:FTL1.jpg|thumb|250px|right|FTL jump]]
[[Image:Ftl_display.jpg|thumb|250px|right|FTL drive display]]
[[Image:Ftl3.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Galactica's FTL drive]]
[[Image:Ftl2.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Galactica's FTL drive]]
The FTL drive makes interstellar travel possible for both the Colonials and Cylons. No longer confined to their own home solar system, the Cylons managed to avoid Colonial interference for 40 years after the [[Cylon War]] and establish their own [[Cylon homeworld|home-world]]. However, not all ships — from small to large — are outfitted with these drives ([[Miniseries]]).

It is likely that FTL drives are not commonplace on many civilian ships because of the costs involved in using and maintaining the drive and the amount of [[tylium|fuel]] available. For some civilian ships that travel comparatively short distances between some destinations, such as the ill-fated [[Botanical Cruiser]], FTL may simply be impractical or unnecessary.

The technology behind FTL systems is such that, providing the relevant data is known, ships can jump with a high degree of accuracy, allowing ships to rendezvous in space and even "park" in a synchronous orbit directly above a given point on a planet's surface ([[Miniseries]]). Proper FTL use even enables vessels to arrive in crowded areas, such as the middle of an asteroid field or other ships, without the risk of collision and damage ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

Little specific information on the technology of an FTL drive has been given in the Miniseries or regular series. We know only that ''Galactica'' has two FTL drives<ref>Dialogue from Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to Lt. [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] instructs the tactical officer to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2" in the [[Miniseries]].</ref>, and that other smaller or civilian ships have a single drive.

FTL drives on ''Galactica'' are said to be "spun up" in preparation for a jump, contain components such as the "spinner" ("[[The Captain's Hand]]") and "spin-sync generator" ("[[Faith]]") and display a rotational and possibly electromagnetic operation. Until the final-season episode, "[[Blood on the Scales]]", the expression was theorised by many fans to be either a turn of phrase, or an anachronism dating back to another form of propulsion, much like the use of the term "air" in reference to fighter operations in the vacuum of space ("[[Commander Air Group]]", "[[Combat Air Patrol]]", ''inter alia'') and the real-world use of "sail" and "set sail" in reference to self-propelled vessels.

An operational FTL drive was first seen in "Blood on the Scales", specifically one of ''Galactica's'' two. Indeed, an assortment of long, thick shafts spin as part of the FTL drive mechanism. The FTL engine room includes a control terminal for diagnostic and auxilliary control. In order to prevent Felix Gaeta and his mutineers from jumping ''Galactica'' to an unknown location, former Senior Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]] attempted to log into the engine room terminal which refused him access, recognising his duty status as "inactive". He was nevertheless able to manually disable the drive by removing a the synchronisation coil.<ref>Part identified in dialogue in "No Exit".</ref> Gaeta made no attempt to use the other FTL drive, indicating either that the other drive was inoperative, the two drives are not entirely independent, or that Gaeta simply decided that the mutiny and Coup d'état were doomed and futher attempts were pointless.

FTL jump drives can be used ''within'' an atmosphere. This Colonial tactic is used often to evade Cylon detection. While [[Raptor]]s primarily perform these kind of jumps, Admiral [[William Adama]] performs a daring intra-atmosphere jump at approximately 100,000 feet altitude with ''[[Galactica]]'' during the [[Battle of New Caprica]] to evade immediate Cylon detection. The battlestar jumps back to space a few hundred feet above the planet's surface after its Viper deployment. When ''Galactica'' jumps, the clouds surrounding it and the re-entry fires consuming its hull are "sucked" into the vacuum created by the sudden loss of volume. A clap of thunder is heard afterward, likely caused by air rushing into the aforementioned vacuum ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A similar phenomenon occurs when ''Pegasus'' jumps from the attack on the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]]; the resulting displacement draws the burning gases from the nearby berthing superstructure ([[Razor]]).

=== Limitations of Colonial FTL ===

* The effectiveness of a [[Raptor]]'s FTL is limited to brief, short-distance jumps. Raptors require a sequence of short consecutive FTL "hops" to reach the same destination as a Colonial capital ship with a full-sized FTL drive ([[Miniseries]]).
* Colonial FTL systems are prone to breakdown after repetitive use over an extended period of time ([[33]]).
* Colonial FTL systems appear to be a holdover from the [[History of the Twelve Colonies#Exodus|Exodus]] from [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], and their current designs have been developed to meet the needs of jumping between the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], and their outposts in other star systems. Colonial FTL capabilities are generally limited in effective range compared to Cylon FTL.
* Navigators must be careful to plan FTL jump paths in order to keep a safe distance from planets or other large objects ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).
* "Spooling up" a Colonial FTL drive takes at least 20 minutes when the drive has been offline ([[Crossroads Part II]]). Because of this, when ships enter dangerous situations, they keep their FTL drives "spun up".

Colonial FTL performance can be improved, demonstrated when a [[Raptor]] is successfully refitted by a team apparently led by Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] with the navigational computer from a captured [[Heavy Raider]] (presumably the one used by [[Kara Thrace]] to return from Caprica in "[[Home, Part I]]") and, with the cooperation of a [[Sharon Agathon|Number Eight]], is used to navigate a squadron of Raptors back to Caprica on a rescue mission to retrieve a [[Caprica Resistance|group of resistance fighters]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

Colonial FTL computers can be affected by highly-charged sub-atomic particles, corrupting their calculations and possibly causing a jump beyond the [[Red Line]], as in the case of [[Raptor 718]] ([[The Face of the Enemy]], Episode 2).

The FTL drive apparently puts significant strain on a ship's structure. ''Galactica'' has substancial cracks in her hull adjacent to the FTL drive which Tyrol disabled. ([[Blood on the Scales]]) While discussing structural repairs with Adm. Adama, Tyrol asks him not to jump the ship for a while, whilst his crews upgrade the structure. ([[No Exit]])

FTL jumps can apparently induce nausea or discomfort in some people, such as [[Cally Henderson]] ([[Miniseries, Night 2]], "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]").

=== Cylon Advantages in FTL ===

* Cylon FTL systems can be manufactured on a smaller scale to their Colonial equivalent, thus allowing the [[Cylon Raider]] to be outfitted with an FTL drive. ([[Miniseries]]).
* Cylon FTL drive systems are far more efficient than their Colonial equivalent. Tests with the Raider captured by the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]) demonstrated that the drive could enable the Raider to jump directly from the vicinity of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] back to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]) - a jump completed by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] during her search for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). This superiority is not from FTL drives themselves, but from the superior Cylon navigation system, resulting in more accurate jump calculations.

Cylon FTL drives are three times more effiicent than their Colonial counterparts ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). Despite being well-versed in maintaining ''Galactica'''s two FTL drives and being a [[Final Five]] [[Cylon]], former [[wikipedia:Senior Chief Petty Officer|Senior Chief Petty Officer]] [[Galen Tyrol]] is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "[[Number Six|Sixes]], [[Number Eight|Sharons]] and maybe even some [[Number Two|Leobens]]" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]])

The Cylons may also be capable of [[faster-than-light communication]].

==Background to FTL in the Re-imagined Series==

{{Plausible speculation}}

In establishing the series the creators of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] determined to keep everything within the show very "[[Naturalistic science fiction|natural]]". This means steering away from the standard clichés of television science-fiction: no bumpy-head aliens, no remarkable technology such as matter/anti-matter conversion, etc. So how is the concept of faster-than-light travel possible within this precept?

===Underpinning Theories===

[[Image:Wormhole-demo.png|thumb|FTL: "Folding Space"]]
The FTL drive technology used within the Re-imagined Series might be based on the use of [[Wikipedia:Superstring Theory|Superstring Theory]] and [[Wikipedia:M-Theory|M-Theory]] that essentially enable the "jump drive" systems to "fold" space, reducing the distance between any two points by creating a "corridor" through space that links them together (essentially forming a wormhole, or Einstein-Rosen Bridge). Such "corridors" are allowed by the general theory of relativity; what [[Wikipedia:M-Theory|M-Theory]] does is provide a way to change the topology of space-time dynamically.

The use of such wormholes is based on the tenet that space is curved. Hence the term "[[Wikipedia:Wormhole|wormhole]]", which arises from the analogy that space can be seen as an apple. A worm can travel from one side of the apple to the other in two ways:
* By crawling over the surface, or
* By burrowing through the apple (creating a "wormhole").
Obviously, the second option is considerably shorter than the first.

===Relativistic Acceleration===
A key point concerning the use of wormholes within the new ''Battlestar Galactica'' is that they do not break the fundamental limiting factor of our universe: the speed of light. Vessels in ''Battlestar Galactica'' do not accelerate to faster-than-light velocities. Rather, they use the wormhole to reduce the distance to their destination, thus giving the ''impression'' of faster-than-light travel.

However, the FTL jumps in the series do allow information to be sent faster than light can send it, which results in a violation of causality within the special theory of relativity. (ie. If event A comes before B from one viewpoint, there will be other equally valid viewpoints where event B takes place before A.) Causality is not violated by FTL in a universe that has a special fixed reference frame, however this contradicts current understanding.

This is the reason why FTL jumps are virtually instantaneous within episodes. It also means that the only ''direct'' form of propulsion available for vessels is generated by their [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight drive systems]]<ref>In turn, this is why vessels exiting from a jump are traveling at the same velocity as when they committed to the jump ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]", "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]" and other episodes).</ref>.

===Feasibility===
While the use of wormholes in this manner is not currently possible, work is progressing on superstring and M-Theory which may make the creation of wormholes possible in the future. The limiting factor is the ability to generate negative energy densities, which are allowed (though severely restricted) by quantum mechanics. As such, the use of such systems again meets one of the stated desires of the the producers of ''Battlestar Galactica'': not to rely on the "traditional" trappings of science-fiction that require exotic science and technology. Theoretical physicist [[Wikipedia:Kip Thorne|Kip Thorne]] has carried out extensive research into wormholes, and helped develop a scientifically-consistent means of wormhole travel used by [[Wikipedia:Carl Sagan|Carl Sagan]] in his novel [[Wikipedia:Contact (novel)|"Contact"]] which bears a remarkable similarity to the technology employed within ''Battlestar Galactica''.

==See Also==
*[[Combat jump]]
*[[List of terms (RDM)|List of terms in the Re-imagined Series]]

==References==
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== External links ==
* [[Wikipedia:FTL (Battlestar Galactica)|FTL]] at Wikipedia.
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Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I

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== Overview ==
:''As the presidential election looms just weeks away, the accidental discovery of a [[New Caprica|habitable planet]] sparks debate in the Fleet: Colonize? Or keep seeking [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]? Meanwhile, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] leads a rescue mission of [[Raptor]]s back to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] to save [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and his [[Caprica Resistance|resistance]]''.

== Summary ==
*[[William Adama|Adama]] has finally given [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] the go-ahead to plan a rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. On [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']], she lays out their plan: they will use ''all'' of their remaining [[Raptor]]s — 20 in all — and use the navigation computer/organ from one of the captured [[Heavy Raider]]s to calculate the jumps back to Caprica. Using this, they can make it back to Caprica in a series of 10 jumps. They will go undetected when they reach Caprica by making a risky jump to just a few klicks above the surface, within the atmosphere itself, below [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[DRADIS]]. Their biggest obstacle to doing this was actually interfacing with the Heavy Raider's navigation "computer", but now they will take [[Sharon Agathon]] along in Starbuck's Raptor with it; Sharon will directly interface with the computer (by inserting a fiber-optic cable into her arm, like she did in "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]").
*The presidential election is two weeks away, and [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] is ahead in the polls. The only real arguments that [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] has against her that give him any ground are when he accuses her of pandering to the religious fundamentalists (i.e. her recent policy switch on abortion) and guiding the Fleet based on the scriptures alone. Conferring with his campaign manager [[Tom Zarek]] in his lab, Baltar realizes he'll need more than this to turn the fleet againt Roslin. Meanwhile, Roslin is doing a little rehearsal ritual for the presidential debate with Adama in his quarters.
*On the hangar deck, [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] is sleeping on the floor and twitching convulsively, having a nightmare. [[Cally]] searches around the deck to find him, and is confused by the sight when she finds him. Cally tried to wake Tyrol up, but snapping right out of his nightmare he attacks Cally, punching her in the face until she is a bloody pulp and unconscious. Realizing where he is and what's going on, Tyrol is horrified, and carries Cally in his arms to sickbay.
*Shocked by his attack on Cally, Chief Tyrol asks for religious counselling, and meets with a priest named [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. Tyrol explains that it is because he doesn't believe that psychoanalysis works, but is himself a very [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|religious]] man. Cavil is somewhat loose and sarcastic in his counseling, leaving Tyrol a little pertubed and confused. Cavil tells Tyrol that he must look for the problem in himself and questions Tyrol, and when Tyrol denies that he has been having disturbing dreams, Cavil can see through it, so Tyrol relents.
*[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] has conflicting feelings about Starbuck's mission to rescue Anders, but wishes her good luck in finding him.
*[[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] travel in Starbuck's Raptor. Sharon is still deeply depressed about her daughter [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]'s apparent death, and has been shutting herself out. Helo tells her that he won't let her do that and won't give up on her. Sharon tells him that she has the feeling that something bad will happen in the future; not on the mission to Caprica, but something else.
*On the very first jump out of the series of ten, [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]]'s Raptor jumps to the wrong set of coordinates. Starbuck's orders were to keep going ahead until they lose 3 Raptors, so they continue on, while Racetrack prepares to follow her orders to return to [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] if separated.
*For weeks, Tyrol has been having the recurring dream that he walks onto the upper level of the hangar deck, climbs over the railing and commits suicide himself by jumping to his death. Cavil says it is because Tyrol has a subconscious desire to kill himself. Tyrol explains that he has had the gnawing worry since [[Sharon Valerii]] died that he might himself be a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon]]. Sharon Valerii never really knew she was a Cylon, even up to the point that she died, but reported strange fears that something bad was going to happen and she had to stop herself: how would Tyrol, or anyone else, really ''know'' if they were a Cylon sleeper agent or not? Tyrol is frightened by the prospect.
*Racetrack's Raptor jumped into the middle of a gas cloud with a lot of interference, and upon clearing it, a new planet is found. Scanners indicate that it is a human-habitable planet. She returns to ''Galactica'' with news of the discovery.
*The crew goes over the scans from the planet; it can sustain human life and subsequent scouting shows that in contains animal and vegetative life; they could indeed settle here. However, it is a cold world and somewhat harsh; only a temperate band around the equator covering about 20% of the surface would be habitable. After some prodding from [[Six]], Baltar and Zarek realize that they can use this as their wedge issue to turn the people against Roslin: offer them permament settlement on this planet.
*[[Tory Foster|Tory]] goes over new poll numbers with Roslin on ''[[Colonial One]]'': Baltar has been gaining ground with his new offer to stop running from the Cylons and stay here. The planet is hidden by interference from the gas clouds, and many people want to stop their constant run in the refugee fleet. Roslin points out that if the Colonials could find the planet, the Cylons could just as easily. Tory points out that Baltar is pandering to the people's hopes, while Roslin is pointing out the bitter truth that they simply don't want to hear; people will vote their hopes.
*Cavil assured Tyrol that he is not a Cylon, sarcastically quipping that he knows because he is a Cylon himself, and hasn't seen Tyrol at any of the meetings. (Cavil of course is a Cylon, and he has not seen Tyrol at the meetings but does know that Tyrol is a Final Five whom he has killed and placed among humanity with false memories.) Tyrol feels ashamed to go back to the hangar deck crew after the accident, but Cavil assures him that they're the only family he has left, and they love him, especially Cally.
*At the final presidential debate, Baltar's charisma and hopes of finally giving up their run from the Cylons starts to pull him ahead in the polls, and Roslin's warnings that this planet is not safe and determination to keep searching for Earth do not gain wide support. Baltar apparently wins the final debate. Roslin tells him to go frak himself.
*The rescue mission makes the final jump to Caprica. [[Raptor 612]] is lost because it jumps right into the middle of a mountain. The remaining Raptors continue on, then Starbuck, Helo, Sharon and the Marines continue on foot.
*One klick away from the resistance's base camp, they see movement, and find [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and his whole group. Starbuck is overjoyed to see him, but Anders warns that the Cylons are right behind them; the resistance's base was ambushed that morning, and half of Anders' men are dead.
*The [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] and [[Caprica Resistance]] members start coming under Cylon artillery fire. After running briefly, they reach a point where the arc of the artillery shells is right above them, and cannot hit them. However, the artillery's killzone is now between them and retreat back to the Raptors. To be continued...

== Notes ==
*This episode is part of the [[Season two timeline discontinuity]].
*The re-cap for this episode includes scenes not actually shown in previous episodes—for instance, Starbuck demanding to the dying Roslin circa "[[Epiphanies]]" that they go back and rescue the Caprica resistance.
*Roslin's comment to Baltar after the last presidential debate, "Why don't you go frak yourself", is likely inspired by the [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3699-2004Jun24.html incident] on June 22, 2004 in the US Senate, when Vice President [[Wikipedia:Dick Cheney|Dick Cheney]] told Senator [[Wikipedia:Patrick Leahy|Patrick Leahy]] to "go fuck yourself".
*This episode has many parallels to "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" and "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]]": the discovery of an inhabitable planet, Gaeta plotting a Raptor jump dangerously close to a planet surface, Starbuck's use of captured Cylon technology to return to Caprica, the intercutting of several plot threads in the teaser, a character contemplating suicide out of fear of being a Cylon, and difficulties between Helo and Sharon Agathon. In addition, Tyrol's assault of Cally is something of a parallel to Helo shooting Sharon Agathon in "Kobol's Last Gleaming"—in both cases, a man driven to rage physically and emotionally wounds a woman who loves him.
*When Lt. Gaeta takes his shirt off in the washroom, his tiger tattoo from "[[Final Cut]]" can be seen.
*The scene of the pilots in the [[rec room]] listening to the presidential debate is reused footage from "Final Cut", from when they watch Biers's documentary.
*When Cavil is consoling Tyrol's fears that he might unknowingly be a Cylon sleeper agent, just like Boomer was, Tyrol asks him how he can know for sure. Cavil sarcastically answers that it's because maybe he is a Cylon, and he hasn't seen Tyrol at any of the meetings: Number Six also sarcastically remarked to Baltar in the Miniseries that [[Aaron Doral]] could not be a Cylon, because she hadn't "seen him at any of the good Cylon parties"...but of course, Doral actually ''was'' a Cylon, implying that Cavil is truly more than he seems.
*Tory actually paraphrases the title of this episode aloud, saying that the new planet offers people in the Fleet the hope that they can "lay down their burdens" and stop running. The phrase also appears in D'anna Bier's documentary in "[[Final Cut]]".
*During the premiere airing of this episode on the Sci-Fi Channel, before the Teaser segment a "Parental Discretion Is Advised" black and white message was inserted. At the end of the Teaser, Tyrol beats Cally's face to a bloody pulp.
*Lee Adama is now wearing a new uniform as Commander of ''Pegasus'': it is a Commander's uniform, denoted by the new red trim (with gold inner trim), and it has a white "''Pegasus'' BSG-62" patch, replacing his old gold "''Galactica'' BSG-75" patch.
*Dualla's photo of Adama is the left half of a group shot with Kara Thrace and his brother Zak Adama. The original belongs to Thrace, and she has kept it in her locker on ''Galactica'' since the Miniseries.
*Dualla refers to "rivers of milk and honey" on the newly discovered planet. The phrase "land of milk and honey" is a common epithet for the promised land in the Torah, appearing in Exodus 3:8, 3:17, 13:5, 33:3, Leviticus 20:24, Number 13:27, 14:8, 16:13-14, and Deuteronomy 6:3.
*Commander Lee Adama is seen eating noodles with chopsticks in his quarters, just like his father in "[[33]]", among other episodes
*In the podcast, Ron Moore states that originally instead of Starbuck, Helo, and Sharon leading the other Raptors in another Raptor, they would have been flying in the captured Heavy Raider itself. However, the 2 part season finale went over budget and cuts had to be made, and the cost of building the Heavy Raider interior was deemed prohibitively expensive. Thus, they bring the Heavy Raider computer/organ with them in a normal Raptor. Moore said he believed that fans "wouldn't miss" an actual appearance by the Heavy Raider.
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] appears in this epsiode twice but doesn't speak a single line.
*This is the first time since the [[Miniseries]] that Helo is seen fulfilling his duties as an [[ECO]].
*Apollo quips that if they find a habitable planet, he'll build the pilots a bar on it. Actor Jamie Bamber has said in interviews that part of Apollo's backstory is that he didn't know what he was going to do with his life; he's in the Colonial Fleet reserves, not a full-career commitment, etc. He said that right before the attack, Apollo was supposed to be considering leaving the service and just opening up a bar somewhere.{{citation needed}}
*Actress [[Leah Cairns]] said in an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] on June 27th, 2006 that a fan, [[User:Sabaceanbabe|Sabaceanbabe]], wrote a short fan fiction romance story (located [http://sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com/38792.html here], scroll down to part 5) on the message boards between [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] and Helo, and she decided to work it into her character's backstory: Cairns plays her scenes as if Racetrack is attracted to Helo and jealous of Sharon Agathon. Tahmoh Penikett is aware of this and when playing Helo recognizes this, though he is not attracted to her and loves Sharon. In the opening scene of this episode, when Sharon Agathon is brought into the ''Pegasus'' pilot briefing room (essentially the only time in the series so far in which Racetrack, Helo, and Sharon Agathon were in the same scene), Cairns asked director Michael Rymer if they could film a few extra shots working in these elements she had developed for her backstory, and he agreed, so several extra shots were filmed for this scene: after Helo walks over to Sharon, Racetrack looks jealously at them and Helo notices while Sharon doesn't. These shots were filmed, but were removed in the editing room.
*Ron Moore co-hosted the podcast commentary for this episode with his wife [[Terry Dresbach]].

== Analysis ==
*Timeline:
**According to [[Number Six]], on the night of the first debate, the election is still "two weeks away".
**At the beginning of the first debate, [[James McManus]] states Baltar declared his bid for presidency a month ago. This took place at the end of "[[The Captain's Hand]]".
**Zarek states that the people of the Fleet have been "cooped up in metal boxes for nine months", putting this episode not long after "[[Downloaded]]" around Day 270.
**At the conclusion of the second debate, the polls will open in three days.
**It appears to take the Raptors 10 days to make the trip back to Caprica. Not enough is known about the vagaries of Colonial FTL drives and computers to explain why it should take so long.
*When Baltar sarcastically quips that Zarek (and Six) expect him to just sit around and wait for "The Hand of God" to deliver them something they can use to their advantage against Roslin, he is of course referencing the previous episode titled "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]". Ironically, Baltar considers himself the hand of God in that episode. Further, a "chance serendipitous event" (namely the discovery of an inhabitable planet) does deliver them something they can use against Roslin.
*Likewise, when Apollo wishes Starbuck "good hunting", there's a tone of concern, and he seems to pause before saying it, as if Apollo meant to say something else but changed his mind. This may be a reference to "[[33]]", when Starbuck tells Apollo to say "good hunting" instead of "be careful out there".
*[[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] is apparently assigned to ''Pegasus'' at present, since Dualla refers to her mission as the "Pegasus survey team".
*[[Lee Adama]] is now wearing a wristwatch, probably [[Barry Garner]]'s from "[[The Captain's Hand]]".
*When Tyrol's counseling with Cavil is coming to an end, Cavil notes to Tyrol that Cally "especially" loves him. Tyrol is apparently oblivious to this obvious fact up to that point.
*In this episode they refer to "the captured Heavy Raider", singular. This implies that only the one Starbuck brought back from Caprica in "[[Home, Part I]]" is still functional at all, and the one that crashed into ''Galactica'' in "[[Scattered]]" was damaged beyond salvage or repair.
*The pro-settlement faction seems to assume that humanoid Cylons still hiding within the Fleet will not be able to contact the Cylon fleet to track the Colonials, in particular in view of the shielding afforded by the gas cloud near New Caprica.
*Spacecraft can jump within a planetary a atmosphere and do so relatively close to the surface (two kilometers in this case). However, it is a dangerous procedure and likely only used by military vessels and when absolutely necessary to avoid enemy detection.
*When [[Raptor 612]] jumps into the mountain, it jumps '''into''' the mountain. Ron Moore confirms in the podcast that by "jumped into the mountain" it doesn't mean "they jumped close to it and thus crashed", it means, exactly like a ''Star Trek'' transporter accident, that they materialized from the jump into solid rock, "half-phased".
*The "''religious''" angle that Baltar is using is based on the abortion issue. The banning of abortion by Roslin was two-folded. First, it was meant to prevent any action that would hinder the growth of humanity's population. Second, it was meant to mollify the religious faction, who objected to abortion on dogmatic grounds.
*The combined Colonial fleet has 20 Raptors in this episode, of which 1 is destroyed before the end. Previously, ''Galactica'' is confirmed to have at least 5 left ([[The Farm]]), with the suggestion that there may be as many as 8 ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). Doubtlessly, ''Pegasus'' brought at least an equal number of Raptors with it when it joined the Fleet, and likely considerably more. ''Pegasus'', being a larger and more modern battlestar than ''Galactica'', probably has the capability to carry a larger complement of Raptors, and may have been able to manufacture new ones with extra materials from the mining operations in "[[Scar]]".
*The jump error that lands the Raptor in the nebula is attributed to a "firmware error" by the crew. This may be an indication that there was a firmware upgrade to deal with the increased FTL jump distances provided by the Cylon computer.

== Questions ==
*If Raptor 612 is destroyed by jumping into a mountain, how is their transponder still operational? (see [[#Analysis|Analysis]])
*Does the Fleet have the resources to sustain long term settlements on the newly found planet? Even if ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' themselves were recycled, would there be enough materials, or would the battlestars still be necessary for orbital defence? ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|Answer]])
*Zarek says the people have been cooped up in metal boxes since the attack. How literally does he mean this—for instance, are people living inside converted cargo holds as they were in the Original Series? Or does he just meant being stuck inside of cramped ships in general, i.e. even the ''Galactica'' crew (who have dedicated crew quarters)?

== Official Statements ==

*''In an interview in issue #197 of TV Zone, James Callis (Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]) said:'' "[T]he arrival of the ''Pegasus'' has helped galvanize our characters into who they are and who they’re trying to be. These later episodes [in Season 2] also further drive home the fact that the Galactica’s crew could be exterminated by its own kind, meaning that Humans are potentially far more terrifying an enemy than perhaps the Cylons."

=== From RDM's blog ([http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/03/#a000409 March 28, 2006]) ===

* '''"Why is the fleet so concerned [about] [[Government|elections]]? They are running for their lives, so I would think holding elections would be the least of their problems."'''

: I felt right from the beginning that question of who was in charge and how a democratic society would deal with this situation was one of the fundamental questions of the show. If democracy means anything, it means that people get to decide who their leaders are and what kind of life they choose to lead. And the operative word is "choose." Democracies are about choices, some made intelligently and thoughtfully, and some not so much. [[William Adama|Adama]] and the ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' were faced with an immediate question as to the role of the military in this surviving population: were they still the servants of the people, or were they the overseers? Adama's choice was to preserve the idea of their society, indeed of their entire civilization while still striving to protect them from their enemies both within and without. It was, and continues to be a difficult balancing act, but as he said in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship]]": [[Themes in Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|it's not enough to survive, you have to [be] worthy of suriving]].

: If the military simply took choice away from the people of the fleet, if it simply decided that the senior commanders knew best and that was that, then the people out there in those ships become irrelevant. They're cargo. It's a military world and a military society and everything else is secondary. Down that road lies the cautionary tale of Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]] and the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. One Adama and ''Galactica'' decided not to go down that road, then the entire panoply of democracy was in play -- representation by consent and elections to determine those representatives.

=== Interviews ===

* '''[[Nicki Clyne]] ([[Cally]]) talks about [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s maddened assault on Cally:'''
:It was difficult for people to watch. Even when we were filming it and it was difficult to do. Not only physically, but I had to make it look real. Actually, [[Aaron Douglas|Aaron (Douglas]]–Chief Tyrol) actually punched me in the face! (''she chuckled as she continued on'') And, it’s really difficult, but the funny part about it is that he and I were trying to be brave, but whenever you get knocked in the face I think the instinct is to start crying. I was laughing at the same time, trying to persuade everyone that I was fine, but there were tears streaming down my face. And, Aaron was all, ‘But it wasn’t me.’ I was like, ‘Ok, ok, I am not blaming you, I know it was an accident, but I don’t think I punched myself in the face.’ He felt terrible about it happening. It was fine. Luckily, I didn’t get a bruise and slow everything up.
:But it was difficult and I am trying to block the punches and then my own hand was going into the whole scene and realizing what he had done. It was pretty emotional. [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2384&Itemid=0]

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Laura Roslin is preparing for the presidential debate''
:'''Laura Roslin:''' This is what I do, I memorize the talking point, then tear the card…let the pieces fall as they may. It helps.
:'''William Adama:''' Yeah, my father used to break pencils before going into court, and then borrow one from the clerk. "Break preconceptions, work with what you have."
:'''Laura Roslin:''' You know, I like that. Let me see…:''
:''Laura breaks a pencil''
:'''Laura Roslin:''' That's good…. But what happens if the moderator doesn't have a pencil?
:'''William Adama:''' Then you're pretty screwed.

*''Brother Cavil explains to Chief Tyrol the "value" of prayer:''
:'''Brother Cavil:''' Do you know how useless prayer is? Chanting, and singing, and mucking about with old half-remembered lines of bad poetry? And you know what it gets you? Exactly nothing.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' Are you sure you're a priest?

*''Chief Tyrol is worried that like'' Galactica''-Sharon, he could just as well be another Cylon sleeper agent:''
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' How do you know I'm human?
:'''Brother Cavil:''' Oh, well, maybe because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.

*''Baltar and Zarek discuss campaign strategy''
:'''Gaius Baltar:''' I'm not sure if you're aware, [[Tom Zarek|Tom]], but the mob isn't usually in the habit of electing ungodly apostates who denegrate people of faith.
:'''Tom Zarek:''' Things are gonna turn around. You'll see.
:'''Gaius Baltar:''' What is that, advice? Well, thank you for your ''keen'' insight, your ''astounding'' political acumen. You know, I'm so assured right now, Tom, I'm just going to sit right back and wait for the hand of God to reach down and change my political fortunes!

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[David Kaye]] as [[James McManus]]
*[[Colin Lawrence]] as Lt. [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]

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Talk:Cylon Civil War/Archive 1

2009-02-13T02:30:49Z

Bradtem: /* Stars not relevant? */

I think until otherwise we should not even have this page. It's only implied right now. Anyone else? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 12:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:Plus, until it is developed further, there is nothing that isn't already said elsewhere. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== Restored ==
Per discussion on the talk page of [[Talk:Battle of the Basestars]]. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

== No battle box? ==

There's definitely a battle, so why don't we have a battle box? Should we give the battle it's own page? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:It's just too large to be put in one sub section. There will be more content later. Secondly, it isn't really that useful. Why not get away from the automatism "this needs to have a battle box, because that's how we always did this"? The advantage of having this in an own article, is to put story points that are spread out over a dozen or so episodes into context and see how they relate to each other. The causes for the conflict and the participants' motivations are really far more interesting than another dry recitation of how many ships are involved and how many people die (which is only like 20 seconds screen time) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:Basically, I agree with Serenity on this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

== Rebels? ==

<s>Is it "fair" to describe the Natalie Faction as "rebels", considering this is basically a 50/50 split of the Cylon? Perhaps we should use something like "Natalie Faction" and "Cavil Faction" as descriptive terms until we get something more concrete. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 14:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</s>

Strike my last, I just read the references [[User:OTW|OTW]] 14:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== Natalie faction strength? ==
It seems that the Natalie faction has been reduced in strength to the single basestar. Should we note this? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 16:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:Only one Basestar that we know of, but we can't rule out there being other survivors out there somewhere until something is said to that effect. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Civil War and the battles box ==

For consistency, I think it would be best if we:
* moved the information about the [[Battle of the Basestars]] (or whatever we're gonna call it, [[Cylon Rebel Ambush]] could also work) to that article
* put that battle, along with the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]] we're likely to get, in the "Cylon Civil War" section of the battles template
* reserve this article for information about the Civil War itself and {{tl|mainarticle}} the individual battles (there might very well be more of them in the second half of Season 4: with the Cylons being mortal and the Colonials controlling a baseship, they might adopt a more aggressive style of warfare)
--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 18:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:The thing is that there doesn't need to be an article about the first battle. It would just have a battle box and two lines (though I agree I that "Cylon rebel ambush" is infinitely better than "Battle of the basestars"). That's the reason why it was consolidated into this article. We don't need an automatism to create a new battle page every time two shots are fired. I'm not saying that it's not important, just that there isn't much to write about it. I agree that any substantial engagement down the line can have an own article that can be linked to here. It just depends on how much there is to say about it. Just like with any other off-short article really. Things get own articles when they become too big for the main article.
:Another point is that battle pages by themselves aren't that interesting. They just retell plot, albeit in more detail. Reading in detail about ''real'' battles is something different, because you don't see them on screen and often only know the surrounding circumstances. But with fictional battles, those circumstances and the context of the battles is generally the meat. And in this case, there is a narrative that clearly connects all of them. Which is what this page is about. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
::You're right that the Cylon rebel ambush would have very little meat because we didn't see the actual battle and therefore know little about it, so it's better off as a section of this article. I expect the Battle of the Resurrection Hub to result in more text than other battles (even the planned ones such as the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]] or the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]), because the mission involves boarding the Hub (in addition to putting the Vipers in the baseship, taking out the Hub's FTL, battling the hostile basestars and destroying the Hub), and [[:Image:4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg|this picture]] suggests that's not gonna happen without trouble. But I guess we'll have to wait till after that battle before deciding whether to give it its own article or make this page span the whole thing, à la [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah. I'm certainly not saying that we need to include all the battles of the war on this page. If others have some more substance, they should get an own article. We'll see about that when it comes to it :) But the point of the initial ambush isn't really the fighting in of itself, but the reasons for it, which are in turn the reasons for the whole conflict. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

== Stars not relevant? ==

Just taking what we see as is, the star pattern either mans the Cylon battle takes place at Jupiter, or that the graphics crew, after 3.5 years of using random stars, just decided to throw in Earth stars for this battle. We don't know which yet, but for now we should take it at face value. The only reddish gas giant from which those star patterns appear is Jupiter, no other planet is even remotely possible. For now, we should document what we see, and leave interpretations about graphics department mistakes for when they can be confirmed. Not that they don't make such mistakes, the map in "Torn" has to be one, but that's because we now know they weren't here in that episode. We don't know that yet for the battle.

And based on that, the fact that Cavil picks Jupiter as the site of the battle seems about as relevant to the story of the cylon civil war as you can get. So why edit it out?--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 01:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:The observation seems more specific to an episode, rather than contributing to an explanation or narrative of the subject at hand, the Cylon Civil War. Are we sure it is Jupiter? There have been a lot of Earth-like planets, such as the Twelve Colonies, Kobol, New Caprica, so it's not unreasonable to think that there are other gas giants that bear resemblences to our own, such as Neptune, Uranus, and yes, Jupiter. The planet has not been identified to have been in the same solar system as Earth, so this assertion is a matter of inference, and such observations, if included in the article, have been in practice put in a separate notes or interpretation section in the majority of articles. Now, if you can tie the significance of Jupiter to the Cylon Civil War itself, that would be another story. As it is, your observation would surely be relevant in an article chronicling the journey to Earth, for example.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 02:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:: No, there is only one planet that looks vaguely like that and has those stars, and it is Jupiter. As I said, no other planet is remotely possible, no way, no how. The only other explanation is a mistake by the graphics dept. It is not a matter of inference. The reason it applies to the war is that Cavil selected the site, and even said there was an accessible server there. That's quite mysterious, and even more mysterious are the fact that Starbuck is given a vision of this planet before the battle, and that she's sitting just a very short distance away just after the battle. It's too much of a coincidence, Cavil must have chosen Jupiter for a reason. Or it's a graphics mistake, but if so, it's an odd one.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 06:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirts the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::We don't know. However, if, as shown, it is Jupiter, and Cavil picked it, then that's no coincidence, which is why it seems appropriate to document it. Cavil saying, "Let's meet up for an ambush, I dunno, how about this spot which happens to be the ancient homeworld" is just too strange to not document.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 02:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Cylon Civil War/Archive 1

2009-02-12T06:07:22Z

Bradtem: /* Stars not relevant? */

Talk:Cylon Civil War/Archive 1

2009-02-12T01:38:32Z

Bradtem: /* Stars not relevant? */ new section

Torn

2009-02-10T22:52:24Z

Bradtem: /* Analysis */ footnote on Gaeta's chart

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== Overview ==
:''[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] create divisions between those who suffered under the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]] and those who stayed with the Fleet. Meanwhile, [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] tries to prove his worth to the Cylons.''

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ===
* ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s air wing runs exercises with the Viper pilots who settled on New Caprica and are thus out of shape. Starbuck deliberately breaks formation and collides with [[Noel Allison|Narcho]]'s Viper, forcing an end to the exercise and causing now-Major [[Lee Adama]] - who has resumed his post as [[CAG]] - to remove her from flight duty. Starbuck is told by Adama that if she wants to die, he would open up an airlock for her.
* In his quarters, [[Saul Tigh]] is drinking in excess. He believes he hears [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] say "I can't believe you did that to me". He looks out into the civilian-crowded corridor and follows a woman who he believes to be Ellen, only to grab a mid-aged woman who is talking to a young boy, presumably her son.
* Upon Thrace's return to her bunk, she is met by Kacey and her mother, whom she dismisses, telling Kacey's mother not visit her again.
* [[Karl Agathon]] congratulates and encourages Apollo for losing all the excess fat he had gained during the New Caprica era. Apollo asks Helo to ensure to remind him to never let that happen again.
* [[Gaeta|Felix Gaeta]] meets with [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]] to discuss Baltar-related matters. During the year before the Cylon Occupation of New Caprica, Baltar was obsessed with analyzing the data from Kobol to find the path to Earth. Based on passages in the [[Pythia|Scrolls of Pythia]], Baltar identified a nebula and two associated pulsars he believed to be a landmark on the road to Earth.
* In the pilots' rec room, [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] christens Lieutenant [[Sharon Agathon]] with the callsign "[[Athena]]" after she points out that, despite appearances, she is not "[[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]".
* Thrace and Tigh begin to sow dissent between the survivors of New Caprica and the crew that stayed behind on ''Galactica''.
* Adama confronts Thrace and Tigh on their behavior. He challenges them to shoot him, as their constant complaining is tantamount to pulling the trigger. When neither do, Adama demands they shape up and move on with their lives.
* Spurred by Adama's words, Thrace cuts her hair and appears to return to duty. Later, in uniform, she visits [[Kacey Brynn]] and her mother.
* Meanwhile, Tigh returns to his room and begins drinking to excess, finishing off one bottle and starting another.
* In a Raptor, Athena and [[Racetrack]] jump into range of the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], and are excited to find what the Scrolls described (an eye that blinks red and blue). They quickly realize, however, that they have jumped right next to the dying basestar.

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===
*[[Gaius Baltar]], aboard the Cylon basestar, is having another hallucination. On a sunny beach, Gaius praises Six for returning to him in his time of need, and states that he enjoys having conversations with her. Six implores him to learn anything and everything about the Cylons, as he will need the information in the days ahead. Baltar presses six again to tell him what she is, either a hallucination or the result of some sort of implant - Six tells Baltar, again, that she is an angel of God.
*Having been allowed to stay on the [[basestar]], [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Three]] talk with Baltar later on, inquiring about the location of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Baltar initially denies having any knowledge of where Earth is, but then reveals that he does have clues as to where its probable location is. He then finds out that the [[Cylons]] intend to find Earth so they can use it as their new home.
*Baltar is apprehensive about helping the Cylons, and Caprica-Six tells him that the Cylons are also leery as to whether his intentions are true or not. Caprica-Six leads Baltar through the ship, telling him that she uses a projection of a forest to navigate the ship. In his mind, Baltar realizes that his form of projection is similar to what the Cylons are using, causing him to question whether he is human or a Cylon.
*Caprica-Six informs Baltar that his rescue of [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and his assistance in finding Earth has made him a valuable asset, and has gone a long way in impressing the Cylons. Baltar asks why there are only seven models on the ship, and inquires about the remaining five models. Caprica-Six tells him that they don't talk about it. He asks whether they would recognize one of the others, but their conversation is interrupted by Three before she can answer.
* Three informs Caprica-Six that there is a situation, and a [[Number Five|Five]] states that the basestar that went to check the pulsar has not reported back. The group head to a control center, where Baltar finds out that the missing basestar has been infected by [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|a disease]]. The Cylons speculate and that any Cylon that dies and uploads to a [[Resurrection Ship]] might spread the virus even further. As a precautionary measure the Resurrection Ship is kept out of range. On the urge of his internal Six, Baltar offers to board the infected basestar and collect scientific information.
* Before he leaves on his mission, Baltar encounters the [[Hybrid|Cylon Hybrid]] that controls the functions of the basestar. The hybrid is hooked into the ship's systems and continually vocalizes her seemingly non-sensical thoughts. Caprica-Six tells Baltar that it is thought by most of the Cylon models that the Hybrid has gone insane from being connected to the [[basestar]] and that her words hold no meaning, however the [[Leoben]] model considers the hybrid's words as coming from God.
* The Cylons provide Baltar with a Raptor to board the baseship, and when he arrives, he finds numerous Cylons, either dead or dying. He collects blood samples and takes pictures of the area to bring back for analysis, and also finds a large man-made object in the hold of the ship. He then finds a dying [[Number Six|Six]] model (curiously with black hair), who informs him that the device the Cylons captured, a probe left by the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]]. Even though Baltar offers to bring her help, she tries to attack him, and he strangles her to death.
* Upon his return to the basestar, he denies finding anything that could have caused the outbreak of the virus, and although Caprica-Six notices the probe object in Baltar's picture, she doesn't let on to anyone else what she has discovered.

==Notes==

=== Characters ===

*[[Lee Adama]] has been demoted back to major, and has resumed his old position as [[CAG]], with [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]] and [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]] as senior pilots under him. [[Kara Thrace]] is back in duty as well, until Lee Adama revokes her flight status for reckless behavior.
*[[Cally Tyrol]] is shown working the flight deck alongside [[Galen Tyrol|her husband]], showing that she is once again active in the Fleet.
*[[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]] is now a pilot on ''Galactica''.
*The Vipers use targeting lasers in place of their gun mounts during the combat exercise (previously not seen during a similar exercise in "[[Act of Contrition]]"). This is a somewhat humorous use of energy "weapons" in a series that deliberately uses projectile weapons instead.
* The [[Podcast:Torn|podcast]] notes that [[Katee Sackhoff]] really cut her own hair at the end of the episode.

=== Cylons ===

*The phrase "end of line," uttered by the [[Hybrid|Cylon hybrid]] in this episode, is an homage to the film ''[[w:Tron (film)|Tron]]'', in which the [[w:Master Control Program (Tron)|Master Control Program]] finishes its sentences with "end of line."
**This may also be a play on the episode title. ''Torn'' is an anagram of ''Tron''.
**[[w:End_of_Line|End of line]] is also a computing term, referring to the character used to signal a new line in text-based protocols.
* The idea of using living creatures as central processing units of large ships has been visited before in both literary and filmed science fiction. For example the pilots in ''[[w:Dune|Dune]]'' serve a similar function while under the influence of the Spice. In Norman Spinrad's novel "The Void Captain's Tale", some women become pilots because they believe to achieve a better insight into god's creation, thus having a spiritual experience. This is similar to Leoben's beliefs about the Hybrids. Recent television series with living CPUs include ''[[w:Babylon 5|Babylon 5]]'', with human telepaths in the [[w:Shadow (Babylon 5)|Shadow]] vessels, and ''[[w:Farscape|Farscape's]]'' [[w:Pilot (Farscape)|Pilot]], though in the latter case, Pilot is more like a conduit between the crew and [[w:Moya|a sentient ship]] in its own right.
** The idea of a living being serving as CPU for a space vessel is explored, in detail and from the ship's perspective, in Anne McCaffrey's ''[[w:The Ship Who Sang|Ship Who...]]'' series of novels and short stories. The first of these was published in 1961 and may well be the inspiration for the other examples cited above.
** The anime series ''[[w:Outlaw Star|Outlaw Star]]'' also had a character called Melfina, bio-android, who acts as a navigation CPU for the ship.
** In the PC game ''[[w:Homeworld|Homeworld]]'', [[w:Karan S'jet|Karan S'jet]] integrates her physical body into the mothership to serve as its living CPU (Although S'jet chose to do so voluntarily, and it is unlikely, from comments by [[Three]], that the Hybrids were given a choice). The backstory to the game's sequel ''[[w:Homeworld 2|Homeworld 2]]'' describes S'jet as undergoing a similar metaphysical experience while integrated with the mothership as Caprica-Six describes of the Hybrid.
*According to the podcast for the episode, the Hybrid's visual look was inspired by the precogs in ''[[w:Minority Report|Minority Report]]''.
*[[Cavil]] is absent from the episode's basestar scenes, aside from a brief closeup from a previous episode used to illustrate Baltar's thoughts about the seven models he has seen. It should be noted that the Cavil model was neither seen on Caprica in "[[Downloaded]]" nor on the scenes set on the baseship we have seen so far. While this is likely due to the fact that actor [[Dean Stockwell]] is not available, it should be noted that there were no stand-ins used to indicate the presence of the Cavils, as it happened with Simon and Conoy in "Downloaded".
**Also, with the exception of [[Tricia Helfer]] and [[Grace Park]], all the actors playing Cylons are guest stars and not members of the regular cast. As this means that having all seven Cylon models present in an episode will drive up its production cost, it is unlikely that all Cylons will be present in many episodes. ([[Simon]] had only a handful of lines in "[[Occupation]]" and "[[Precipice]]", and [[Three]] was the only non-regular Cylon to appear in "[[Collaborators]]".)
**It should be noted that [[Dean Stockwell]] is a prominent actor, an Academy-award nominee, and most likely the highest paid regular guest star on the show outside of [[Lucy Lawless]]. This is the most probable reason why he has not appeared as frequently as other guests.
* More parallels between the Cylons and humans are drawn with the revelation that Cylons make use of such safety features as distress calls.
* Baltar correctly deduces that basestars have a supply of Colonial vessels that they have obtained during the attacks. The exact source of these vessels is left unspoken, though it's possible they may originate from the Colonies themselves, or have been salvaged from destroyed battlestars.

=== Production ===

*The name of the director, [[Jean de Segonzac]], is misspelled in the on-screen credits. He is listed as Jean de Segoznac.
*A scene depicted in a promotional photo showing copies of Number Six, Three, Five, Eight and baby [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] in a projected church was [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#Torn|cut from the episode]].

=== Changes ===

*Originally, the episode was meant to focus on the relationship between Kara Thrace and Kacey and the title is an allusion to that. Since the writers felt that Thrace would still be too scarred from her ordeal with Leoben, that storyline was changed and became the episode's B-plot. The title still refers to the differences between the people who escaped New Caprica and those who stayed behind ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three]]).
*Lee Adama's rapid weight loss was not intended to play out like shown. He was supposed to join the Marines and become a spartan soldier, which did not work out however. When the writers realized that they didn't know what to do with the storyline, it was wrapped up quickly (Season 3 Companion).
*In the [[Podcast:Torn|podcast]], Moore notes that some scenes had to be highly altered from what was initially planned. For example, the opening conversation of Baltar and Six had to be redubbed (which is the reason for the light covering their mouths) and in the original script Thrace simply ran out of gas, instead of crashing with another Viper.

=== Other ===
* The new survivor tally, 41,422, is down 13 from the previous episode, accounting for the 13 individuals executed as noted in "[[Torn]]".

== Analysis ==

*Lee Adama's demotion fits with the [[w:Brevet (military)|real-life practice of brevetting]].
*Narcho is flying in [[Red Team]] with Apollo and Starbuck. If Red Team is composed entirely of pilots who didn't get any flying experience during the colonization of New Caprica, this could indicate that he settled on the planet. This setup of the groups can't be confirmed, but is somewhat implied by Kat's "Let's show these lazy fraks how it's done".
*Gaeta appears to have inherited Baltar's mantle as the scientific adviser (it is unclear whether he holds any additional positions), and is focusing his efforts on refining a course for Earth.
*Following her actions during the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Sharon Agathon seems to have garnered some degree of acceptance among the ''Galactica'' air group, including humorous, even affectionate choices for her callsign by fellow pilots.
*"Athena" is the name of [[Athena (TOS)|Adama's daughter]] in the [[Original Series]]. Sharon Agathon has gained (at this point) a daughter-like trust equal to that which William Adama once gave Kara Thrace before this episode.
*The baseship hybrid appears to be viewed by the Cylons in the same way as the Centurions and Raiders. The Hybrid has no vote in the Cylon decision-making process, despite its ability to express its thoughts and feelings, after a fashion.
*The Cylons have a [[Raptor]] and [[flight suit]] at their disposal, acquired during the occupation of [[New Caprica]] or from captured Colonial military assets on the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. Given their past history of infiltration, it should not be surprising that the Cylons have these small Colonial ships in their possession.
**From a production point of view, using a Raptor is also a convenient way to get Baltar to another basestar, as no interior set exists for the [[Heavy Raider]].
*Given Admiral Adama's conversation with Tigh in the rec room, Adama clearly doesn't know of Tigh's hand in executing [[Ellen Tigh|his wife]] for collaborating with the Cylons. ([[Hero|Resolution]]).
*Despite having found the map to Earth in the [[Tomb of Athena]] story arc, Admiral Adama still displays a level of skepticism towards finding Earth. It isn't until Gaeta begins linking the prophecies with actual star chart data<ref>The star chart Gaeta consults, marked as from the Pegasus, is a real chart of the sky as seen from the Solar system. This is presumably a production mistake</ref>, such as the red and blue pulsars, does Adama's facial expression change to a mild expression of surprise.
**Adama's skeptical nature on the path to Earth is touched on again in the episodes "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]" and "[[Dirty Hands]]".
*Despite claims made during his bid for the presidency, Baltar worked on finding the location of Earth during his time as president, likely hiding his notes from the Cylons after the occupation. During his discussion with Adama and Roslin regarding Earth's location, Gaeta surmises that Baltar likely pursued the research as he wanted to get there himself eventually.
*In "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", Boomer claims that there were eight Cylon agents left in the Fleet. After the occupation of New Caprica, it is unlikely that any of the known seven models was able to maintain its cover within the Fleet.
* While smaller vessels such as Vipers, Raiders and Raptors are portrayed with more realistic space-flight dynamics than has been typical of much filmed science fiction and space opera, they are still under several circumstances portrayed as behaving like aircraft. An example crops up in this episode during the discussion after Starbuck's collision about landing a Viper on empty tanks. In actuality, as long as the Viper and its battlestar wouldn't have greatly differing relative velocities, there really is no need for the Viper's main engines to be running at all. As long as it has some RCS fuel it will be able to maneuver to a safe landing based on the principle of inertia.

== Questions ==
* Would it be possible for the Colonials to salvage the derelict basestar for their own purposes? ([[A Measure of Salvation|Answer]])
* What has happened to the [[Final Five|remaining five]] Cylon models? Are they so secretive that none of the other seven variants have any knowledge of them? Did the Cylons permanently box the other models because they were dissenters to the cause of the Cylon race? ([[Crossroads, Part II#Act 4|Answer]])
* If the known seven Cylons don't speak about the "Final Five", why does Caprica-Six mention the existence of twelve models in the first place? Did whatever happened between them occur after the Fall of the Colonies?
* If Baltar was able to extrapolate the location of the Lion's Head Nebula just from reading the sacred scriptures, can it not be assumed that someone else could have conducted the same research at an earlier date?
* What is Caprica-Six going to do now that she realizes Baltar may be withholding critically sensitive information? ([[A Measure of Salvation|Answer]])
* Cally and Galen Tyrol are both seen working on the hangar deck. Who is taking care of their baby? Has a system been put in place to take care of the crew's children? ([[A Day in the Life|Answer]])
* Is Athena infected with the Cylon virus? ([[A Measure of Salvation|Answer]])
* As the probe is supposed to come from the Thirteenth Tribe, and is affecting Cylons, does that mean that Cylons have been in existence since the time of the Thirteenth Tribe? Or is it accidental that the probe is viral for Cylons? ([[A Measure of Salvation|Answer]])
** What is the "genetic pool" that the human form Cylons all come from, and has it existed for longer than the Cylons themselves?
* Is the virus biological or technological in nature? The "inevitable once we took human form" and "genetic pool" lines indicate that the Cylons think it is biological. On the other hand, their speculation that it could survive through a download process implies that it could technological in nature (i.e. computer virus). Or is the virus both biological and technological, like the Cylons themselves? ([[A Measure of Salvation|Answer]])
* Is Boomer the Number Eight in the control center of the basestar with Baltar? If so, is her involvement with the Cylons on that basestar to find a map of Earth an indication that she has finally accepted her identity as a Cylon and disassociated herself from humanity? Does she think that peaceful coexistence with the thirteenth tribe would be possible, despite the failure of New Caprica?
* How do the Cylons know for sure that the probe was left by the Thirteenth Tribe?
* Where is Cavil?
* Why does Hybrid have a humanoid body when it is essentially the CPU of the entire ship? Why would the Cylons go to such elaborate lengths to create a semi-humanoid form Cylon just to have it connected to the entire ship? ([[Razor|Answer]])

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''On ''Galactica's'' flight deck'':
:'''Chief Tyrol''': (checking Starbuck's Viper) Captain, how did you land this thing?
:'''Kara Thrace''': Pointed it towards the deck and stopped when I got here.
:'''Hot Dog''': Bone-dry, she says. Landed the bird without a drop of fuel.
:'''Lee Adama''': (walking up to Kara) If you want to die, I will open up an airlock for you, but you are not taking one of my Vipers with you.
:'''Kara Thrace''': The bird's on the deck. ''I'm'' on the deck. I don't know what you're bitching about.
:'''Lee Adama''': I don't give a frak what you do, Starbuck. You're done flying.

*''Gaius Baltar sees and hears the Hybrid for the first time'':
:'''Hybrid''': [[Hybrid Utterances|Two protons expelled...]]

*''In the rec room on ''Galactica'''':
:'''Helo''': (referring to the rescue on New Caprica) Hey, we all made sacrifices.
:'''Saul Tigh''': Is that so?
:'''Helo''': Yes, that's right.
:'''Saul Tigh''': Well, while you were pinning wings on your Cylon girlfriend, our people were strapping homemade bombs to their chest, doing what they could to take the bastards out. So forgive me if I don't get all misty over your sacrifices.

*''Adama's feelings towards, and regarding, Starbuck'':
:'''Adama''': You were like a daughter to me once - no more. You're malcontent and a cancer, and I won't have you on my ship. So you have a choice - you can figure out how to become a human being again, and an officer; or you can find another place to live, off of this ship. You're dismissed.

*''Adama's feelings towards, and regarding, Saul Tigh'':
:'''Adama''': You're full of bile, hatred, and I know it has something to do with [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]]. I'm sorry for that. And if you need time Saul, you take all the time you want, but I gotta run a ship. And the last thing I need is a one-eyed drunk sitting down here, sowing discontent and disobedience. So I'll tell you once again, Saul, you can pick up that weapon and kill me. Or you can get your ass back into your quarters and not leave... 'til you act like the man I've known for the past 30 years.
: '''Saul Tigh''' (picks up weapon and unloads it) That man doesn't exist any more, Bill. And you won't be seeing me again. (drops gun on table, hobbles out of room)

*''The Hybrid's objection to leaving the infected Basestar behind'':
:'''Hybrid''': Mists of dreams drip along the nascent echo, and love no more. End of line.

*''When discovering the dying basestar'':
:'''Athena''': When God's anger awakens even the mighty shall fall.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Madeline Parker]] as [[Kacey Brynn]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lt. [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Emilie Ullerup]] as [[Julia Brynn]]
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]
* [[Rachel Hayward]] as Blonde Woman
* [[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)

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Cylon Civil War

2009-02-10T22:48:57Z

Bradtem: /* First Blood */ restoring edits that disappeared completely mysteriously (some bug perhaps?)

The '''Cylon Civil War''' is a conflict between two factions of [[humanoid Cylon]]s. One faction consists of the [[Number One]]s, the [[Number Four]]s, the [[Number Five]]s, and the [[Number Eight]] copy known as [[Sharon Valerii]], under the leadership of the Number One copy known as Cavil. The opposition, known as the rebel faction, consists of the [[Number Two]]s, the [[Number Six]]es, several Centurions with restored free will, and the majority of the [[Number Eight]]s, under the leadership of the Number Six copy known as [[Natalie]]. Natalie is later slain, and leadership of the rebels is taken up by the restored [[Number Three]] copy known as [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|D'Anna]] until she elects to remain behind on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] for the rest of her days.

== Diverging Ideologies ==
[[Image:Cylon civil war - opening fire.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The initial engagement between splintered Cylon factions.]]
The earliest signs that the Cylons were not in perfect harmony were seen in the occupation of [[New Caprica]], where faced with a losing battle the different models argue over the best course of action. Later the fate of [[Gauis Baltar]] is the subject of a narrow 4 - 3 vote. Sometime afterwards, the [[Number Three]]s' religious quest causes the model to be [[box]]ed.

The immediate cause of the conflict occurs at the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], in which the Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s break off the attack because one of them detects [[Samuel Anders]] as a humanoid Cylon. Cavil's faction votes to "reconfigure" (lobotomize) the Raiders so that they will continue the attacks on the Colonial fleet. Natalie's faction votes against this action, believing that the [[final five]] humanoid Cylons are present in the Colonial fleet ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). Their goal is to unite all twelve humanoid Cylon models, a plan which includes unboxing the [[Number Three]]s, so that the Three known as D'Anna can tell them what she has learned in the [[Temple of Five]].

== First Blood ==
[[Image:First Blood - Cylon civil war.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The Centurions rise up against their masters.]]
Cavil's faction takes the "swing vote" of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] as sufficient for them to proceed with the Raider lobotomy. Natalie's faction does not accept this turn of events and has the Centurions' [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed so that they can open fire on Cavil's faction, thus starting the conflict ([[Six of One]]).

The Cylon fleet is split down the middle, with some basestars under Cavil's control, others under Natalie's. Whether this division is managed with or without bloodshed on the other basestars is unknown, but a Number One remarks that Natalie "did a little ethnic cleansing" on the ship where the first shooting happened. Critically, Cavil's faction has control of a [[Resurrection Ship]].

Later, Natalie and two Eights meet with Cavil, who tells them that his fellows came to the conclusion that it was wrong to box the Threes, agreeing to undo their actions. Cavil proposes they should perform the unboxing at the nearest "accessible node" which is "half a dozen jumps away." The two factions agree to fly there with their own respective baseships, in order to hear what D'Anna has to say. However, after a jump, Cavil and Boomer double-cross Natalie and open fire on her fleet, destroying many of her vessels. The Resurrection Ship was prevented from jumping with them, meaning that the Cylons killed in this battle will die permanently ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Only Natalie's badly damaged basestar somehow manages to survive this battle ([[Faith]]).

Curiously, the stellar background of the ambush site is the pattern seen only very near the real Solar system. This is the first time such stellar patterns appear in the series, other than Gaeta's map from the Pegasus in [[Torn]].

== Proposed Alliance with the Humans ==

The ''[[Demetrius]]'', commanded by [[Kara Thrace]] on a mission to find Earth, encounters a heavily-damaged [[Heavy Raider]] with a copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] aboard, who offers an alliance between the humans and his faction of Cylon rebels <ref>In episode descriptions, this faction is referred to as "Cylon rebels."</ref>. Thrace orders a jump to Conoy's damaged baseship against her crew's objections ([[The Road Less Traveled]]), but ultimately realizes that she can't risk the entire crew, so she takes a small team in a [[Raptor]] instead, with the understanding that if she does not return within 15 hours, ''Demetrius'' is to rendezvous with ''Galactica''.

From within the field of detonating battle wreckage, she locates Natalie's severely-damaged baseship. The baseship's [[Hybrid]] is unable to navigate a jump, but they determine that they can hook the baseship to the Raptor's FTL computer, although this would require disconnecting the Hybrid, thus potentially killing it.

The Eights want to mutiny against Natalie and turn to [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] to lead them, but Athena refuses and chastises them for too easily changing their minds and not committing to their choices.
[[Image:Anders - Number 6 confrontation.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The newly-formed alliance nearly fractures.]]
When making the modifications to the Raptor [[Jean Barolay]] encounters a Six whom she had drowned on [[New Caprica]]. The Six, who is emotionally traumatized by that death and is enraged by Barolay's cavalier attitude about it, kills her. An angry [[Samuel Anders]] throws her down at gunpoint, but it is Natalie who pulls the trigger, both to end the Six's torment from the memories and to satisfy any human need for justice, emphasizing that there is no resurrection for these Cylons.

Thrace is brought to the Hybrid and tries to understand her cryptic messages, but is frustrated and orders that they proceed with the jump. An Eight attempts to disconnect the Hybrid, but the Hybrid's reaction causes a Centurion to shoot and mortally wound the Eight before being shot itself. The dying Eight apologizes to Athena, asks for her forgiveness, and reaches out her, but Athena doesn't take her hand. Instead it is Anders who takes her hand and comforts the Eight as she truly dies.

The renegade Cylon basestar jumps to the ''Demetrius'', arriving moments before she jumps back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Faith]]). However, when the two ships attempt to jump back together, their jump drives aren't properly synchronized and the basestar arrived at its destination alone. Admiral Adama scrambles ''Galactica'''s Vipers, thinking the Fleet to be under attack. The situation is defused when the ''Demetrius'' arrives and announces that the basestar is under their control ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]).

== A Plan Takes Shape ==
[[Image:An alliance forms.jpg|thumb|left|200px|The Colonials and rebel Cylons unify under official terms.]]
Natalie acts as the rebels' spokesperson and is brought to ''Galactica'' to talk with Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]. She tells them of the Cylons' central [[Resurrection Hub]] and outlines her plan. She wants to the Colonials' help in getting there and unbox the Threes. In return, she offers them a chance to destroy the Cylons' [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] capability and take vengeance on them. [[Karl Agathon]] proposes to move half of ''Galactica'''s Vipers onto the baseship and use it to fool the Cylons. Roslin agrees, but adds a double-cross, because she distrusts the rebels: Go along with the plan, but then keep the Final Five, once uncovered, until they reach [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].

The Cylons plan to double-cross the Colonials as well. Suspecting that the Colonials won't allow them to have the Final Five and just leave, they plan to use the Centurions to take hostages after the mission. However, after Natalie is asked to speak in front of the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] to assuage their fears about the alliance, she has a change of heart. Fearing that the Final Five may watch and judge them for their actions, she tells [[Number Two]] to call off the Centurions. She also tells the Quorum that she thinks that the Cylons need mortality to lead meaningful lives, when asked why she would give up the location of the hub ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]).

Before the plan sets in motion, Natalie is shot by [[Sharon Agathon]], to prevent [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] from being taken. Without warning or command, the [[Hybrid]] jumps the rebel basestar from the Fleet, ending all communication with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', and taking half of her air wing and [[Laura Roslin]] with it (Guess What's Coming to Dinner?). Later, a recon Raptor sent by ''Galactica'' finds the Resurrection Hub destroyed, as well as debris of a basestar and a number of Vipers. This indicates that Cylons and Colonials fought together and that some of them escaped alive ([[Sine Qua Non]]).

== Attack on the Hub ==

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[[Image:The Hub receives critical damage.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Hub is critically damaged during battle.]]
The Hybrid is revealed to have panicked after sensing Natalie's shooting and death and jumped as a result. She follows the Hub with her jumps, still giving the combined force a chance to implement their plan. The human pilots are initially very reluctant to fly alongside Cylon pilots, but can be convinced to trust them.

After the Hub's FTL drive is disabled, stranding it, Karl Agathon and the Eight then board the Hub in a Raptor to find Number Three, who has already been un-boxed by Cavil and Boomer. They find her not long after she has killed Cavil (and forced Boomer to flee) and evacuate her from the Hub. Meanwhile, the rebel basestar engages the two escort basestars and is hit by several missiles in the process. Once Three, Agathon and Number Eight are clear of the Hub, the Vipers launch several nuclear missiles into it, destroying it and at least one of its basestar escorts.

After the battle, questioned by President Roslin but sensing that the Cylons have been double crossed, Three refuses to give up the identities of the Final Five until she is sure she is safe. The basestar returns to the rendezvous coordinates, where they meet up with Admiral Adama who is still waiting for them in a Raptor ([[The Hub]]).

== The Standoff with the Colonials and the Discovery of Earth ==

The Cylons, now led by D'Anna Biers, hold the Colonials hostage in an attempt to lure the Final Four out of hiding. Foster joins them on the rebel basestar, but the other three remain on ''Galactica''. After the Cylons kill the first hostage, President [[Lee Adama]] orders a risky rescue operation. However, when Kara Thrace finds a signal giving them a direct bearing towards [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], Adama decides to share this information with the Cylons instead. Together they jump to Earth, but discover it to be a nuclear wasteland ([[Revelations]]).

Both humans and Cylons are devastated by the discovery that Earth is an almost dead planet which cannot be resettled due to low-level radiation remaining in the ecosystem. Teams of Cylons digging through the ruins are surprised to uncover the remains of Centurions. Their testing methods determine that all the humanoid remains on the planet are of humanoid Cylons like themselves. The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] were Cylon, and destroyed themselves. The Colonial fleet and rebel baseship decide to leave this system and search the universe for any other possible habitable planets. D'Anna gives up on the whole cycle of life, and remains behind ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).

== Joined Fates ==
The rebel Cylons believe that they are safer with the Colonial Fleet should Cavil's forces find them. Represented by [[Galen Tyrol]], they propose to Admiral Adama upgrades of the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology, making them at least three times more efficient, in exchange for full citizenship and representation on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. Adama sees the necessity of the upgrades but is more reserved about the rest of the deal. Throughout the Fleet, widespread sentiment is against accepting the upgrades or allowing any Cylons onboard their ships, and a runaway tyllium refinery ship is the first sign of rebellion against the the admiral ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]).

When Felix Gaeta leads a mutiny aboard ''Galactica'', the Cylons support Admiral Adama and President Roslin. Tyrol somehow manages to communicate with them undetected by CIC and has them send a Raptor to extract Baltar, Roslin, Tigh and Adama using a forgotten secondary storage airlock. Roslin and Baltar leave, but Tigh and Adama stay behind to make sure the President's Raptor gets out safely ([[The Oath]]).

Gaeta orders the Vipers on CAP to destroy the Raptor, and Narcho tries to take it out with a missile, but it misses and hits the basestar, causing the Cylons to think they're under attack. Aboard the baseship, Roslin diffuses the situation, citing Hotdog's refusal to shoot as proof that the Fleet is not solidly behind the mutiny, and urging the Cylons to stay put and give Adama a chance to save the Final Four still in the Fleet. While Roslin attempts to broadcast to the Fleet using the Raptor's wireless, the Cylons note among themselves that the Fleet has dispersed and left them vulnerable, and Viper patrols are acting aggressively, trying to provoke a response. After discussing the situation they tell Roslin they have decided to jump away, but Roslin argues they should give Adama a chance and show that they are with him and the Fleet. With the help of a Number Two, she succeeds in penetrating ''Galactica's'' jamming long enough to make a transmission to inform the Fleet of the mutiny aboard ''Galactica'' and persuade ten ships to spin down their FTL drives. She then broadcasts orders to the mutineers to release their prisoners, return command of the Fleet to Admiral Adama, and surrender. When Tom Zarek responds as President of the Twelve Colonies and says that Admiral Adama and Colonel Tigh are dead, she has the Cylon baseship turn its weapons on ''Galactica''. Gaeta orders ''Galactica'' and its allied ships to to jump away, not wanting anymore bloodshed, but Tyrol who disables ''Galactica's'' FTL seconds before the jump is initiated. On the brink of a shooting war between the baseship and ''Galactica'', Gaeta orders weapons hold just before the CIC is retaken by Adama and his supporters. Adama then contacts the President to inform her and the Cylons that ''Galactica'' is secured and to stand down ([[Blood on the Scales]]).

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Cylon Civil War

2009-02-10T03:41:34Z

Bradtem: /* First Blood */ correcting logistics of Cavil's ambush

The '''Cylon Civil War''' is a conflict between two factions of [[humanoid Cylon]]s. One faction consists of the [[Number One]]s, the [[Number Four]]s, the [[Number Five]]s, and the [[Number Eight]] copy known as [[Sharon Valerii]], under the leadership of the Number One copy known as Cavil. The opposition, known as the rebel faction, consists of the [[Number Two]]s, the [[Number Six]]es, several Centurions with restored free will, and the majority of the [[Number Eight]]s, under the leadership of the Number Six copy known as [[Natalie]]. Natalie is later slain, and leadership of the rebels is taken up by the restored [[Number Three]] copy known as [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|D'Anna]] until she elects to remain behind on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] for the rest of her days.

==Diverging Ideologies==
[[Image:Cylon civil war - opening fire.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The initial engagement between splintered Cylon factions.]]
The earliest signs that the Cylons were not in perfect harmony were seen in the occupation of [[New Caprica]], where faced with a losing battle the different models argue over the best course of action. Later the fate of [[Gauis Baltar]] is the subject of a narrow 4 - 3 vote. Sometime afterwards, the [[Number Three]]s' religious quest causes the model to be [[box]]ed.

The immediate cause of the conflict occurs at the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], in which the Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s break off the attack because one of them detects [[Samuel Anders]] as a humanoid Cylon. Cavil's faction votes to "reconfigure" (lobotomize) the Raiders so that they will continue the attacks on the Colonial fleet. Natalie's faction votes against this action, believing that the [[final five]] humanoid Cylons are present in the Colonial fleet ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). Their goal is to unite all twelve humanoid Cylon models, a plan which includes unboxing the [[Number Three]]s, so that the Three known as D'Anna can tell them what she has learned in the [[Temple of Five]].

== First Blood ==
[[Image:First Blood - Cylon civil war.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The Centurions rise up against their masters.]]
Cavil's faction takes the "swing vote" of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] as sufficient for them to proceed with the Raider lobotomy. Natalie's faction does not accept this turn of events and has the Centurions' [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed so that they can open fire on Cavil's faction, thus starting the conflict ([[Six of One]]).

The Cylon fleet is split down the middle, with some basestars under Cavil's control, others under Natalie's. Whether this division is managed with or without bloodshed on the other basestars is unknown, but a Number One remarks that Natalie "did a little ethnic cleansing" on the ship where the first shooting happened. Critically, Cavil's faction has control of a [[Resurrection Ship]].

Later, Natalie and two Eights meet with Cavil, who tells them that his fellows came to the conclusion that it was wrong to box the Threes, agreeing to undo their actions. Cavil proposes they should perform the unboxing at the nearest "accessible node" which is "half a dozen jumps away." The two factions agree to fly there with their own respective baseships, in order to hear what D'Anna has to say. However, after a jump, Cavil and Boomer double-cross Natalie and open fire on her fleet, destroying many of her vessels. The Resurrection Ship was prevented from jumping with them, meaning that the Cylons killed in this battle will die permanently ([[The Ties That Bind]]). It is later revealed that only Natalie's badly damaged basestar somehow managed to survive this battle ([[Faith]]).

Curiously, the stellar background of the ambush site is the pattern seen only very the real Solar system. This is the first time such stellar patterns appear in the series.

== Proposed Alliance with Humans ==

The ''[[Demetrius]]'', commanded by [[Kara Thrace]] on a mission to find Earth, encounters a heavily-damaged [[Heavy Raider]] with a copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] aboard, who offers an alliance between the humans and his faction of Cylon rebels <ref>In episode descriptions, this faction is referred to as "Cylon rebels."</ref>. Thrace orders a jump to Conoy's damaged baseship against her crew's objections ([[The Road Less Traveled]]), but ultimately realizes that she can't risk the entire crew, so she takes a small team in a [[Raptor]] instead, with the understanding that if she does not return within 15 hours, ''Demetrius'' is to rendezvous with ''Galactica''.

From within the field of detonating battle wreckage, she locates Natalie's severely-damaged baseship. The baseship's [[Hybrid]] is unable to navigate a jump, but they determine that they can hook the baseship to the Raptor's FTL computer, although this would require disconnecting the Hybrid, thus potentially killing it.

The Eights want to mutiny against Natalie and turn to [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] to lead them, but Athena refuses and chastises them for too easily changing their minds and not committing to their choices.
[[Image:Anders - Number 6 confrontation.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The newly-formed alliance nearly fractures.]]
When making the modifications to the Raptor [[Jean Barolay]] encounters a Six whom she had drowned on [[New Caprica]]. The Six, who is emotionally traumatized by that death and is enraged by Barolay's cavalier attitude about it, kills her. An angry [[Samuel Anders]] throws her down at gunpoint, but it is Natalie who pulls the trigger, both to end the Six's torment from the memories and to satisfy any human need for justice, emphasizing that there is no resurrection for these Cylons.

Thrace is brought to the Hybrid and tries to understand her cryptic messages, but is frustrated and orders that they proceed with the jump. An Eight attempts to disconnect the Hybrid, but the Hybrid's reaction causes a Centurion to shoot and mortally wound the Eight before being shot itself. The dying Eight apologizes to Athena, asks for her forgiveness, and reaches out her, but Athena doesn't take her hand. Instead it is Anders who takes her hand and comforts the Eight as she truly dies.

The renegade Cylon basestar jumps to the ''Demetrius'', arriving moments before she jumps back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Faith]]). However, when the two ships attempt to jump back together, their jump drives aren't properly synchronized and the basestar arrived at its destination alone. Admiral Adama scrambles ''Galactica'''s Vipers, thinking the Fleet to be under attack. The situation is defused when the ''Demetrius'' arrives and announces that the basestar is under their control ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]).

== A Plan takes Shape ==
[[Image:An alliance forms.jpg|thumb|left|200px|The Colonials and rebel Cylons unify under official terms.]]
Natalie acts as the rebels' spokesperson and is brought to ''Galactica'' to talk with Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]. She tells them of the Cylons' central [[Resurrection Hub]] and outlines her plan. She wants to the Colonials' help in getting there and unbox the Threes. In return, she offers them a chance to destroy the Cylons' [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] capability and take vengeance on them. [[Karl Agathon]] proposes to move half of ''Galactica'''s Vipers onto the baseship and use it to fool the Cylons. Roslin agrees, but adds a double-cross, because she distrusts the rebels: Go along with the plan, but then keep the Final Five, once uncovered, until they reach [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].

The Cylons plan to double-cross the Colonials as well. Suspecting that the Colonials won't allow them to have the Final Five and just leave, they plan to use the Centurions to take hostages after the mission. However, after Natalie is asked to speak in front of the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] to assuage their fears about the alliance, she has a change of heart. Fearing that the Final Five may watch and judge them for their actions, she tells [[Number Two]] to call off the Centurions. She also tells the Quorum that she thinks that the Cylons need mortality to lead meaningful lives, when asked why she would give up the location of the hub ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]).

Before the plan sets in motion, Natalie is shot by [[Sharon Agathon]], to prevent [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] from being taken. Without warning or command, the [[Hybrid]] jumps the rebel basestar from the Fleet, ending all communication with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', and taking half of her air wing and [[Laura Roslin]] with it (Guess What's Coming to Dinner?). Later, a recon Raptor sent by ''Galactica'' finds the Resurrection Hub destroyed, as well as debris of a basestar and a number of Vipers. This indicates that Cylons and Colonials fought together and that some of them escaped alive ([[Sine Qua Non]]).

== Attack on the Hub ==

{{mainarticle|Battle of the Resurrection Hub}}

[[Image:The Hub receives critical damage.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Hub is critically damaged during battle.]]
The Hybrid is revealed to have panicked after sensing Natalie's shooting and death and jumped as a result. She follows the Hub with her jumps, still giving the combined force a chance to implement their plan. The human pilots are initially very reluctant to fly alongside Cylon pilots, but can be convinced to trust them.

After the Hub's FTL drive is disabled, stranding it, Karl Agathon and the Eight then board the Hub in a Raptor to find Number Three, who has already been un-boxed by Cavil and Boomer. They find her not long after she has killed Cavil (and forced Boomer to flee) and evacuate her from the Hub. Meanwhile, the rebel basestar engages the two escort basestars and is hit by several missiles in the process. Once Three, Agathon and Number Eight are clear of the Hub, the Vipers launch several nuclear missiles into it, destroying it and at least one of its basestar escorts.

After the battle, questioned by President Roslin but sensing that the Cylons have been double crossed, Three refuses to give up the identities of the Final Five until she is sure she is safe. The basestar returns to the rendezvous coordinates, where they meet up with Admiral Adama who is still waiting for them in a Raptor ([[The Hub]]).

== Standoff with Colonials and search for Earth ==

The Cylons, now led by D'Anna Biers, hold the Colonials hostage in an attempt to lure the Final Four out of hiding. Foster joins them on the rebel basestar, but the other three remain on ''Galactica''. After the Cylons kill the first hostage, President [[Lee Adama]] orders a risky rescue operation. However, when Kara Thrace finds a signal giving them a direct bearing towards [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], Adama decides to share this information with the Cylons instead. Together they jump to Earth, but discover it to be a nuclear wasteland ([[Revelations]]).

Both humans and Cylons are devastated by the discovery that Earth is an almost dead planet which cannot be resettled due to low-level radiation remaining in the ecosystem. Teams of Cylons digging through the ruins are surprised to uncover the remains of Centurions. Their testing methods determine that all the humanoid remains on the planet are of humanoid Cylons like themselves. The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] were Cylon, and destroyed themselves. The Colonial fleet and rebel baseship decide to leave this system and search the universe for any other possible habitable planets. D'Anna gives up on the whole cycle of life, and remains behind ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).

The rebel Cylons believe that they are safer sticking with the human fleet in the event of Cavil's forces showing up. Represented by [[Galen Tyrol]] they negotiate with Admiral Adama, offering to upgrade the Colonial ships' FTL systems to be at least three times more efficient in exchange for full citizenship and their own representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. Adama approves the upgrades but is more reserved about the rest of the deal. Widespread sentiment develops in the human fleet against accepting the upgrades or allowing any Cylons onboard their ships ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]).

When Felix Gaeta mutinies against Admiral Adama, the Cylons support him. Tyrol somehow manages to make contact with them without Gaeta or his forces knowing and has them send over a Raptor to extract Baltar, Roslin, Tigh and Adama using an abandonded airlock. Roslin and Baltar leave, but Tigh and Adama stay behind in an attempt to retake the ship and end the mutiny. The Cylons' Raptor is ordered by Gaeta to be destroyed, but Hotdog hesitates after learning Roslin is on board, but Narcho tries to take it out with a missile, missing and hitting the basestar causing minimal damage but causing the Cylons to think they're under attack. Roslin diffuses a potental situation and tries to communicate with the Fleet to let them know what happened. With the help of a Number Two, she succedes in penetrating ''Galactica's'' jamming long enough to make a transmission and ten ships out of thirty-five end up supporting her. The Cylons decide to run, but Roslin manages to convince them to give Adama a chance and makes contact with ''Galactica'' trying to use the basestar to force Gaeta and Zarek's surrender. When she hears of Adama and Tigh's supposed demises, instead of surrendering she promises to fight with everything she has and the Cylon ship turns all of its weapons on ''Galactica''. Gaeta first tries to jump away, not wanting anymore bloodshed, but is prevented by Tyrol who disables ''Galactica's'' FTL drive. Before a shooting war can start between the rebels and ''Galactica'', Gaeta orders ''Galactica'' to stand down its weapons and is captured by Adama moments later. Adama makes contact with the rebel baseship and Roslin, getting them to stand down as well now that he's back in command. With it safe again, Roslin returns to ''Galactica'' from the baseship.

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Talk:Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)/Archive 1

2009-01-24T02:58:41Z

Bradtem: /* Makeup of the thirteenth tribe - Cylon or Human */

Battlestar Wiki:Sandbox/He That Believeth in Me

2009-01-22T02:51:56Z

Bradtem: /* Act 1 */ Note about deleted lines

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| title= He That Believeth In Me
| season= 4
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| next= [[Six of One]]
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== Overview ==

: ''During a seemingly hopeless [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|battle]], [[Kara Thrace]] appears in a pristine [[Viper Mark II|Viper]], claiming that she has been to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] and can lead the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] there -- but the terminal [[Laura Roslin]] believes otherwise. Meanwhile, four of the so-called [[Final Five]] are forced to tackle the repercussions of their newfound nature, while [[Gaius Baltar]] discovers he has a [[Cult of Baltar|commune of nubile female cultists]] who believe him to be an agent of the [[God (RDM)|"one true God"]]. ''

: '''''Note''': This is part one of a two-part episode. See the episode, "[[Six of One]]," for the conclusion.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

* [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] are flying side-by-side, staring at each other across space. Lee is in a state of disbelief. Thrace rebukes his claim that her [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Maelstrom#Act 4|exploded]]. She says that she's found Earth, describes some of its attributes, as the [[CIC]] crew listens to the chatter.
* [[William Adama]], who is clearly emotional, demands that the ship be identified. [[Felix Gaeta]] does so, replying that the ship's recognition codes match, while [[Anastasia Dualla]] tries to get Lee on the comline. [[Karl Agathon]] notes that the woman's voice sounds like Thrace's. [[Laura Roslin]], recovered from her [[Crossroads, Part II|earlier headache]], notes that it is likely a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] trick. Adama orders that the verification be duplicated, however Gaeta notes that more than 200 Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s are inbound. Adama orders that the Vipers and Raptor pickets engage the Cylons.
* Hearing the order, Thrace tells Lee not to lose her. "Not a chance," he replies, as both begin engaging the first wave of Raiders. Thrace kills a Raider, its blood covering her ship.
* [[Image:403 - Tigh scream, you scream, we all scream.jpg|thumb|[[Saul Tigh]] experiences a waking nightmare where he believes he shot [[William Adama]].]]Roslin reiterates her belief that Thrace's voice is a "Cylon trick". Gaeta reports that the Vipers have stopped the main Cylon thrust, but the reserves have broken through the line, and are headed to the Fleet. Adama tells [[Saul Tigh]] that he wants everything launched. Tigh hesitates, then experiences a vision where he pulls out a gun and shoots Adama in his right eye. However, he is awakened out of his waking-state "nightmare", as Adama continues to bark orders at him. He wants everyone who has "ever held a stick" up in the air. Unsure of what exactly happened, Tigh relays the order.
* [[Galen Tyrol]] is barking out orders on the [[hangar deck]]. Ensigns [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Samuel Anders]] arrive. En route to their ships, as Seelix goes off, Anders begins to vocally question whether or not he'll turn against "his own" after he launches. Tyrol tells him to "shut the [[frak]] up" and follow Tigh's lead: be the man he wants to be. During the pep-talk, [[Sharon Agathon]] approaches them, overhearing a snippet of the conversation. She asks who else would he be and then gives him advice to retain his cool out in the fray. She walks off to her Raptor; Anders is relieved that she didn't ferret him out, and hopes the other Cylons won't be able to either. Tyrol tells him to not give them the chance to find out, and tells Anders to get to his ship.
* [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Cult of Baltar|female admirers]], led by a woman named [[Jeanne]], escort Baltar through the ship, heading to a previously-abandoned compartment on the ship. En route, they pass by [[Charlie Connor]], who catches a glimpse of Baltar, even though Baltar is covered in a shawl.
* During the battle, a damaged Raider sprawls out of control and crashes into the ''[[Pyxis]]'', destroying the ship. Gaeta reports this and Roslin is shocked, saying that they've lost 600 souls, including Captain [[Jules Tarney]]. Roslin then inquires as to how the Cylons were able to find them. Tigh and [[Tory Foster]] exchange glances [[Crossroads, Part II#Act 4|again]]. Gaeta reports that the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s have launched 50 plus missiles. Half are headed towards the Fleet, the other half are headed towards ''Galactica''. Adama believes that ''Galactica'' can take the beating, but the Fleet would be wiped out by such an attack; he orders that all the missiles headed towards the Fleet be shot down.
* Anders launches and, still fearing that he may have Cylon programming yet to be turned on, begins summarizing his life. Seelix replies that he's jamming up the wireless, since he has the transmit button pressed down. Anders release the button and chastises himself. Cylon warheads begin striking ''Galactica''. Two missiles headed toward the Fleet strike the ''[[Zephyr]]'', damaging her. Seelix manages to destroy a warhead that would have struck ''[[Colonial One]]''. However, a Raider comes up from behind her and begins to pursue her. Anders comes up from behind the Raider, and attempts to take the Raider out, but his weapons have apparently seized. The Raider suddenly breaks off its attack on Seelix and confronts Anders. The Raider then performs some kind of scan on Anders using its red eye. Anders' iris in his right eye glows red and the Raider disengages. The Raiders flock back to the baseships, which spin their [[FTL]] drives, much to the confusion of the Colonials who know that the Cylons had them dead to rights.
* Adama orders that they take advantage of the opportunity they've been presented, ordering the fighters to cover their rear while the Fleet begins jump prep. Tigh asks why the Cylons withdrew, Foster replies that "maybe something's changed", referring to their newfound knowledge of being Cylons. Roslin asks what the "change" may be, but Tigh feigns ignorance.

=== Act 1 ===

* After the Fleet makes its first jump away from the Ionian Nebula, Baltar is being led to the women's enclave. [[Jeanne]] reassures him that he'll be safe as they approach a compartment previously dedicated to dry stowage. Connor and another male associate have followed the group to the compartment, but do not enter. In the compartment, Baltar enters a commune consisting mostly of young, nubile women and men, all primarily Caucasian. They look subserviently downward, unwilling to meet his gaze, until he comes across a shrine with glorified Christmas-lights. He merely looks around and mutters, "Right", in a state of semi-disbelief.
* Tyrol looks over Thrace's blood-covered, yet otherwise pristine Mark II Viper. As Thrace opens the cockpit, she tells Tyrol to develop her gun camera footage, claiming to have some great shots to show everyone. She asks for her post-flight checklist. Tyrol replies that she has none. Pilots who've landed start to approach Thrace and her Viper. Lee, who just landed, runs up and hugs her. From the walkway above the hangar bay, Tigh asks Adama if he believes in miracles. Adama replies in the negative. Anders follows Lee's suit, saying that he told everyone that she was too "frakking mean to kill". She notes Anders' apparel, learning that Anders has been trained as a Viper pilot, which she finds unbelievable. Thrace tells Adama that she found Earth. Adama replies with Marines, who are ordered to escort her to sickbay where [[Cottle]] will give her a complete examination. Thrace reveals that, from her point of view, she's been off the ship for six hours. Anders replies that it has been over two months since she died, which Lee confirms.
* [[Image:403 - God's presence.jpg|thumb|Baltar "feels" God's presence.]]In the commune, Jeanne tells Baltar that she's going to get her son, [[Derrick]], asking him not to go anywhere on the ship, since it isn't safe for him. Jeanne tells him that [[Tracey Anne]] will be with him to give him whatever he needs. Baltar claims that he's praying for Derrick, who is presently in ''Galactica's'' sickbay. When he asks about travel arrangements, Jeanne notes that security is too tight to smuggle him off ''Galactica''. Her fellow cultist, [[Paulla Schaffer]], adds that none of the other ships would have him. As they leave, [[Virtual Six]] in a red blouse appears to him. She asks why he is glum, given that he faced execution, yet was granted life. He replies that he's doomed to be stuck in a looney bin with a bunch of cultists. Virtual Six assures him that she hasn't brought him this far for nothing, then he begins to ask for a ray of hope for the future... Tracey Anne sees Baltar on his knees, appearing to pray. She finds the way he prays beautiful, not just some hollow ritual. She tells him that when she prays, she feels empty. Prompted by Six, Baltar claims that the Gods they worship are false and that there is only one true God, all the while she's copping a feel on him. As he explains how the gods were propagated by the "ruling elite" to suppress their knowledge of "the truth", she unbuttons his shirt. As he reveals that "there's only one God", Tracey Anne exposes her breasts to him. Assured that they are alone and the door is locked, she moves his hands to cup her breasts, where Tracey Anne asks him if he feels God's presence. "You know what," he replies glibly, "I think I do." Then they fornicate in the presence of the shrine.
* In Adama's quarters, Thrace is told that all her tests check out, and it appears she is human. She accuses them of thinking that she's a Cylon. Roslin, who is present with Tory Foster and Lee Adama, presses her for her story of how she found Earth. Thrace claims that she followed a [[Heavy Raider]] into the storm, taking some fire, then blacked out. When she came to, she was orbiting Earth, which she was able to identify from the descriptions in the [[Book of Pythia]]. Showing the pictures that were developed from her gun camera, she claims that the pictures are of Earth and her moon. Further, she claims to have been able to match the star configurations from what was seen in the [[Tomb of Athena]]<ref>In a deleted scene, Roslin states that only 4 of the star patterns matched, and 8 did not</ref>. Thrace claims that she doesn't know how she was able to find them at the Ionian Nebula. Roslin continues to press her for information. She replies that she turned the ship to a reciprocal heading, and later blacked out. She adds that she remembers a giant gas planet with rings. She also claims to have seen a comet. Roslin moves to questioning the time discrepancy. Thrace remains adamant that she found Earth, took the pictures, and was able to return to the Fleet.
* In the hangar bay, Tyrol shows Adama (who is accompanied by Roslin, Foster, Lee, and Tigh) the Viper Thrace returned in. He notes that, after it was cleaned up, the Viper is pristine, as if it came off the "showroom floor". Tyrol confirms that while the tail numbers match the one she flew out on, the ship is not the same one he's been repairing for years. Further, the navigational computer has no entries in it. Roslin tells Adama to put Thrace in the brig. Lee objects, asking about Cottle's test. Tigh grumpily replies that Cottle's test doesn't mean a thing, and also that Baltar's [[Cylon detector]] is a crock that failed to identify [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. <ref>Despite Tigh mentioning the Cylon detector, dialogue only states that Doctor Cottle compared Thrace's DNA with the one on record in her files (the same procedure he used with [[Bulldog]] in "[[Hero]]"). Baltar's Cylon detector, however, uses a more complex molecular analysis to generate a result.</ref> Adama ruefully notes that they're back at square one. Any one of them can be a Cylon, and they wouldn't know it until they had a bullet in their heads, or led the Fleet into an ambush. Roslin notes that something stopped the Cylons from destroying the Fleet, and she believes that Thrace is somehow responsible for it. Further, Roslin believes that Thrace was returned to them to pull them off their course. Lee notes that they don't have a course, since they weren't able to stay at the nebula. He posits that Thrace may very well be the "signpost" they've been looking for, but Roslin will have none of it.

=== Act 2 ===

* Baltar and Tracey Anne, both unclothed, are awakened by the presence of Jeanne and the cultists. Jeanne brings Derrick, who is ill with viral encephalitis and cannot be treated with medicines, and asks Baltar to pray for his recovery. Baltar says that Derrick has to be strong, and they have to be strong for him. Jeanne says that she didn't want Derrick to die in the [[sickbay]]. Baltar reiterates his claim that he prays for Derrick. Jeanne claims to know this, but adds that she believes that the "one true God" doesn't want Derrick to live. A wide-eyed, nutty Baltar cannot answer this question.
* In Tigh's quarters, the "[[frakr:Fantastic Four|Final Four]]" are assembled. Tigh inquires about the "[[The Music|frakking music]]", and everyone replies that they no longer hear it. Tyrol posits that it may have stopped upon discovering their true natures, but they still don't know for certain what it was. Anders recites his experience with the Cylon Raider scanning him. Even after Anders recalls the tale, they don't know what to make of the Cylons' sudden retreat, or Ander's inability to fire on the Raider. Tigh remains adamant that [[Racetrack]] was right: Anders had made a "dumb nugget mistake" by leaving the weapon safeties on. They broach the topic of being programmed to sabotage the Fleet, like [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. Tigh vociferously contends that Boomer did not know who she was; they do, and they silently agree to kill themselves before they do anything against the humans.
* Roslin visits [[Caprica Six]] in the brig. Roslin discusses the shared dream they experienced in the [[Opera House]], where Caprica saw more than she did. Roslin asks Caprica to help her with information regarding the Cylons known as the Final Five, since she wants to know if Kara Thrace is one of them. Caprica replies that they are programmed not to think of the Five, but notes that they are close since she can feel them.
* [[Image:Thrace's headache.jpg|thumb|Thrace experiences a headache...]]In the CIC, Thrace is reviewing star charts with Gaeta, who is clearly aggravated. Agathon notices Gaeta's behavior and relieves him. Thrace notes that no one believes her, since everyone seems to think she's a Cylon. In a conversation that begins to get heated, Adama overhears Thrace's reasoning that finding the star systems on their charts won't work. Thrace tells them that she can find the way to Earth by feeling it. She says that the more jumps they do away from their starting point (the Ionian Nebula), the harder it is for her to tell the road to Earth, given that they are going the wrong way. Adama dismisses Agathon. Adama reveals that Roslin's adamant that they continue the course laid before them by the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. As they execute another FTL jump, Thrace experiences a headache and says they're going the wrong way, and fears she may lose the feeling completely. She asks for them to go back to the nebula and while Adama would like to believe her, he can't go to Roslin and ask her to dismiss the writings of Pythia and the information derived from the supernova. Adama reveals that he's just "left her ship", noting that it is pristine, and asks her to explain that fact. She cannot, but swears to the Gods that she ''is'' Kara Thrace and that he can trust her on her intuition. Adama painfully replies that he can't afford to trust her, and she leaves with her marine escort.

=== Act 3 ===

* [[Image:Yet another frakking Adama talk.jpg|thumb|The Adamas reconcile... a tad.]]Lee and William Adama are watching Lee's gun camera footage of Thrace's death near the mandala. The elder Adama asks whether he should believe his heart or his eyes. Lee replies that he shares the same state of mind. Adama says he wants to believe Thrace, but notes that Roslin's right, and that the Cylons may be counting on Adama's belief. He adds that they'll follow Roslin's lead for the time being. Lee asks if Roslin's still staying in his father's quarters. Adama replies in the positive, noting that this is temporary until they can find quarters where she can wait for the remaining [[Doloxan]] treatments. Adama thanks Lee for suiting up during the fight. As an unspoken apology for an earlier heated discussion about Lee's integrity, Adama offers Lee his wings back. However, Lee notes that while he removed those for the wrong reasons, he's had feelers from the government, who have offered him a chance to do more than he ever could do in the cockpit. He feels that Baltar's trial was a "trigger", but he notes that he needs a change and move on. After an uncomfortable, solemn silence, Lee asks what would have happened had [[Zak Adama|Zak]] had been in the cockpit, and it was revealed that he were a Cylon, and always had been. He asks if they would still love him, but Adama does not answer the question.
* At the commune, Baltar watches over Derrick as Jeanne and the others sleep. He then makes a decision to leave, but before he does so, he returns and prays over Derrick. Baltar asks why God should choose to take an innocent life instead of his own, because he's failed so many people and brought so much grief on the human race, yet the boy has done nothing to sin against God. As he prays, the women wake up and stare at him. Jeanne also awakens and begins to cry softly, clearly touched by this display. After Baltar is done, he looks around and walks away.
* Later on, Baltar and Schaffer walk through ''Galactica'''s oddly empty corridors heading towards the officer's head. During the conversation, she says that they were all moved by Baltar's prayer. Baltar ruefully notes that it did no good, as Derrick's sickness has become worse. Schaffer tells Baltar that the prayer helped ensure that God looks after his immortal soul, which Baltar glibly snaps at. Baltar tells Schaffer that they shouldn't look at him for guidance, implying that they are young and easily misguided. Baltar inquires as to what they're doing in the head, in reply to which, she snaps out a straight razor which he uses to shave his beard. After he is fully shaven, Charlie Connor enters. He appears very cordial towards Baltar, addressing him as "Mister President", and despite Schaffer's urging, Baltar strikes up a conversation with Connor. Connor reveals that they met at [[Founders' Day]] on [[New Caprica]], where Baltar also met Kevin (his son) who told Baltar that he wanted to be president when he grew up. Baltar then asks after Kevin. Connor reveals that Kevin died at the hands of the [[New Caprica Police]] during the Cylon occupation. Schaffer heads towards the hatch, only to be restrained by an associate of Connor's (possibly [[Shaunt]]). As she's being restrained, Connor assaults Baltar and places the razor Baltar used to Baltar's throat. Connor orders Baltar to look at him; Baltar does so, wide-eyed.

=== Act 4 ===

[[Image:Connor attacks Baltar.jpg|thumb||right|[[Charlie Connor]] attacks [[Gaius Baltar]].]]
*Connor demands that Baltar scream. He wants to know if anyone would come after him. Meanwhile, Shaunt begins choking Schaffer to death. Baltar is brought to his knees. When Connor starts cutting into his throat, Virtual Six arises and asks if he was sincere in his prayer. He replies to Six that he is sincere, and begs that his life be taken. Connor is flummoxed at this. Schaffer manages to break free from Shaunt and breaks off a handle from a nearby floor washing bucket. She beats Shaunt with it, incapacitating him, then saves Baltar. She continues to beat Connor until Baltar stops her.
* En route to the commune, an exhilarated Schaffer says that she knew God wouldn't abandon Baltar and that she had felt his love course through her, giving her the power to smite his attackers. He ruefully retorts that there'd be less fighting next time, unless she wants to be brought up on murder charges.
* Baltar enters the enclave to discover that Derrick has fully recovered from his encephalitis. As the cultists look on at him, Six appears with a smirk on her face.
[[Image:Thrace and her gun.jpg|thumb||right|Thrace points a gun at Laura Roslin.]]
*In the [[memorial hallway]], Thrace notes to Anders that no one has removed her picture from the wall. Anders tells her to cut Adama and everyone some slack, since they are trying to figure out what happened to her. She tells Anders that she figured her experience of finding Earth was a dream. She begins theorizing about the logistics of her return aloud, speculating that the Cylons may have pulled her out of the soup and brainwashed her, or managed to clone her from parts that were extracted from her during her time in the Cylon baby [[farms]]. Anders disputes this, saying that if she were a Cylon, she's been one from the beginning. He professes his undying love for her, even if she may be a Cylon. She replies that he's more forgiving that she'd ever be, noting that if Anders were a Cylon, she'd kill him. After another jump, Thrace experiences another headache. She insists that the Fleet's going the wrong way. She claims that if she goes through one more jump, she'll lose the way. Anders offers her a bunk, but Thrace begins to believe that the only way to stop going the wrong way is to deal with Roslin. She incapacitates [[Brandy Harder|Harder]], while Anders knocks [[Allan Nowart]]'s gun aside before he can fire it. Thrace incapacitates Nowart as well. Anders asks what the hell she's doing. She asks where Roslin is, but Anders refuses to answer, so she knocks him out. Thrace takes out the marines guarding Adama's quarters, using a stun grenade<ref>Also known as a "flash bang", see the [[w:Grenade#Stun grenades|Wikipedia article about it]]</ref>. Roslin, who is sleeping in Adama's bunk, awakens to find Thrace approaching her. As Roslin stands, Thrace aims a gun at her head.

== Notes ==

=== General ===

* This season shows the first major change in the teaser titles since the series began. Instead of the "Cylons have a Plan" claim, the new titles show: "Twelve Cylon models. Seven are known. Four live in secret. One will be revealed."
* The gun Saul Tigh uses in his "nightmare" against [[William Adama]] is the same weapon that [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] shot Adama with in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
* The [[FTL]] jump at the end of the episode is an abbreviated version of the [[w:Vertigo zoom|Vertigo zoom]] effect, which has not been seen since the [[Miniseries]].
* The title is a reference to John 11:25-26, which says:
*: Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: '''he that believeth in me''', though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (King James Bible)
* In Baltar's conversation with [[Tracey Anne]], he reveals the name of one more of the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Gods]], [[Poseidon]], a God in the Greek pantheon.

=== Characters ===

* While Anders played for a professional Caprican [[pyramid]] team, he was (allegedly) born on [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] and enrolled in [[Noyce Elementary School]].
* Like everyone else, Tigh is unaware that the Cylon detector correctly identified Boomer as a Cylon, and that Baltar reprogrammed the detector to give only negative test results ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]").

=== Fleet ===
* The [[survivor count|population]] of the Fleet, which hasn't been revealed since "[[The Son Also Rises]]" (but is assumed to be around 41,398) is 39,698. 600 of those were people who died aboard the ''Pyxis'', the other 1,101 likely died on other ships during the attack. The survivor count also takes into account the return of Kara Thrace.
* The number of people killed, 1701, is a nod to the registry number of the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Enterprise|Enterprise]]'' from the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]]'' series. The number is seen again in "[[The Ties That Bind]]" on a [[weapons locker]] where the "[[Final Five|Fantastic Four]]" meet.
* As revealed in this episode's [[Podcast:He That Believeth In Me|podcast]], the ''[[Zephyr]]'' is not destroyed during the battle per [[Ron D. Moore]]'s request.

=== Production ===

*The title was first reported as "He That Believ<u>a</u>th In Me". Writer [[User:Ngarenn|Bradley Thompson]] [[BW:OC#Season 4 First Episode Title|confirmed]] that this was an unintentional misspelling.
* "He That Believeth In Me" and "[[Six of One]]" aired back-to-back as a two hour TV event in UK.
* As with Season 3's season opener, the length of this episode's teaser clocks near the 10 minute mark.
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] has been re-added to the opening credit roll, since her "stunt" removal in the episodes "[[The Son Also Rises]]" and the "[[Crossroads]]" two-parter. (Although she was credited in the end-credits for "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".)

=== Gaffes ===

* The stills from Thrace's gun camera footage incorrectly show ''Galactica'' as belonging to Battlestar Group 62. Given that ''Pegasus'' was in BSG 62, the production staff likely modified and re-used a graphic template from an earlier episode, but the incorrect number slipped past them.
* When Thrace's Viper appears at the end of "[[Crossroads, Part II]]", the pilot-callsign stencils below the cockpit are missing, but they are shown at the beginning of this episode and all subsequent shots.
* Moreover, in promotional photos for this episode, the tail number of Thrace's Viper is [[Viper 4267|4267 NC]], the same Viper that [[Donald Perry|Chuckles]] used and died in during the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]". This number was digitally removed in the aired version to match the Viper that was destroyed in "Maelstrom": [[Viper 8757]].
* Nobody notices that Thrace has much longer hair than when she disappeared, not even Thrace herself, claiming to have been gone for only six hours.
* Tracey tells Baltar prior to their intercourse that the door to the group's hideout is locked and that only the two of them are in the room, but when Jeanne returns with Derrick, she is able to reenter even though both Tracey and Baltar are still asleep.

== Analysis ==

=== Gaius Baltar and his cult ===

* Baltar's cult is a cult-of-personality, where Gaius Baltar is seen by some humans as a messianic, mortal savior, in a parallel to the Cylon [[Hybrid]]'s designation of Baltar as "the chosen one." Further, no reason for this apparently sudden rise of the "Baltar cult" has yet been provided.
* While Baltar's appearance during Season 3 increasingly resembled that the classic image of Jesus Christ as bearded and long-haired, his messianic cult has him shave and cut his hair to shed this image. However, Baltar's new willingness to sacrifice himself for others has made him more of a Christ figure in action, even as he becomes less of one in appearance.
* Baltar's cult seems to have amassed a following comprising mostly of women who are Caucasian, well-fit, reasonably well-proportioned, and within the ages of 20 to 40. Further, the cult seems to be disturbingly similar to the "Manson Family" in this regard, although Baltar is more-or-less placed in the position as cult's spiritual leader.
* The cult is also hedonistic, verging on counter-cultural (the class-warfare against the Fleet's so-called "aristocracy"), cooperative, and religious. Apparently, the room is shared by all, and sexual intercourse with one another is implied as being common, as the cultists do not appear surprised that Baltar and [[Tracey Anne]] have engaged in intercourse.

===Baltar's Virtual Six===

* Baltar's [[Virtual Six]] seems to have reached an understanding about his sexual liaisons with other women. Where she once seemed jealous and hurt (as in "[[Colonial Day]]", despite professing that he could have sex with whoever he wanted because his heart belonged to her), she now seems much more at ease and even encouraging of his sexual liaison with Tracey Anne.
* Her wardrobe, however, has also undergone a change: where she formerly appeared almost exclusively in either a revealing red dress or in a swimsuit (during Baltar's visions of the two of them at his now-destroyed home on Caprica), in this episode she appears exclusively in a professional-looking suit of the same bright-red color as her old dress. Could this signify a change in how she perceives her relationship with Baltar? Although she has obviously harbored romantic feelings for him in the past, it is possible that she now perceives her role in a more professional and detached manner, and is choosing to put aside her own feelings in favor of guiding him down the path that God has laid out for him.

=== Ionian Nebula ===

* The Fleet-wide power-loss, and subsequent power recovery, remains unexplained.
* It is heavily implied that the Cylons now know that the Final Five are in the Fleet, given their rapid withdrawal during the battle.
* Further, it remains unexplained how the Cylons were able to track the Fleet to the nebula. They were either able to determine the Fleet's projected course, despite the efforts to use the ''Daru Mozu'' as a decoy, or found another way to track the Fleet.
* The battle within the nebula demonstrates that ''Galactica'' remains combat ready and able to engage Cylon basestars with all her weapons despite the damage suffered during the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. A visual effects shot of the warship following the battle shows one dorsal primary [[Battery|gun battery]] has been lost, likely during the impact that forces the crew in CIC to brace themselves. The port side water tank may also be destroyed, as there seem to be a large hole in the port side of the hull and the adjacent "ribs" are bent or destroyed.
*Despite Racetrack's claim in "[[Torn]]" that ''Galactica'' has more trained pilots than ships as result of the combination of the crews of both battlestars, this episode shows Admiral Adama pressing nuggets into action in order to have as many Vipers flying as possible. This suggests either Racetrack was exaggerating or speaking only about Raptor pilots; or that ''Galactica's'' Viper compliment is now very large after also taking in ''Pegasus'''s existing and newly-constructed Vipers.
* The battle marks the first overt Cylon attack on the civilian fleet since before the settling of New Caprica, where the Cylons indicated they no longer wished to wipe out the Colonials.

=== Kara Thrace ===

* As to be expected, Kara Thrace's return is clouded in suspicion. Given the effects of time dilation she had experienced (six hours from her perspective, more than two months from the Fleet's), she may have experienced a form [[w:gravitational time dilation|gravitational time dilation]], given her proximity to the mandala phenomenon in "[[Maelstrom]]" and the hard deck.
* The "missing time" phenomenon and the lack of navigation data in the Viper's computer are similar to the [[w:Abduction phenomenon|abduction experiences]] that have been reported. Coincidentally, these experiences allege paralysis and "blinding light." Kara Thrace experienced the blinding light phenomenon in "Maelstrom" before her death, and her lack of control in pulling up her Viper from the hard deck does suggest a form of paralysis, or even distraction, whereby her mind was occupied and thus ignored the warnings from Lee Adama, et al.
* Her apparently strange trip through time and space may suggest a possible wormhole or spacial anomaly. If so, the inability of Adama, Roslin, and others to seriously consider this possibility again highlights the [[naturalistic science fiction]] aspect of the series (though the absence of Dr. Baltar's scientific expertise may also be a factor). Wormholes would be a phenomenon known to the Colonials, as Adama mentions them in "[[Sacrifice]]".
* Thrace has feelings of [[w:theophany|theophany]] before her death in "Maelstrom". Further, these feelings have somehow influenced her and manifested extra-sensory abilities that leads her to a [[w:Jeanne d'Arc|Jeanne d'Arc]]-ian crusade, believing that she can lead the Fleet to Earth.
* Thrace's headaches are likely similar in nature to [[Laura Roslin]]'s headache in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]" after arriving at the [[Ionian Nebula]]. After a jump is executed, Thrace experiences these headaches as well, however the headaches lead her to believe that they are further and further down the wrong path and away from Earth.

=== Thrace's claims ===

[[Image:Kara Thrace Reconnaissance Photos.png|250px|thumb|right|Gun camera footage of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]]]

* When speaking of her claim about [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], Thrace mentions the moon being "yellow", matching the description of Pythia. Earth's moon, when viewed from space, is a dull, pale yellowish brown. Her photo, taken from above the atmosphere, shows a slightly yellowish moon over a grayish planet with white flecks. However, the photographs are very desaturated - to the point of being black and white - and very likely don't represent the true colors.
* While initially believed that Thrace's "giant gas planet with rings" was any of the four [[w:Gas giant|Jovian]] planets ([[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[w:Saturn|Saturn]], notably), this is [[Faith|later disproved]].

=== The Final Five ===

* Given their animal-like nature, the biological Cylon Raiders are able to identify members of the Final Five, as [[Samuel Anders]] experiences during the Battle of the Ionian Nebula.
* Sharon Agathon and Caprica Six are incapable of identifying the Final Five models, even after they've been "activated," to use the term loosely.
* The episode does not delve too deeply into [[Tory Foster]] or [[Galen Tyrol]]'s reactions to their newfound natures, however this will doubtless be the case in future episodes. The episode centers around [[Saul Tigh]], who has become the ''de facto'' leader of the "Final Four," and [[Samuel Anders]].
* Saul Tigh begins to have nightmares in his waking state. He envisions pulling out a gun and killing Adama, harkening back to [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]]'s assassination attempt in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". In his nightmare, he shoots Adama in the right eye, the same eye Tigh lost during his torture on [[New Caprica]].

==== Samuel Anders ====

[[Image:Ander's red eye.jpg|thumb|Anders's eye responding to a Raider's IFF.]]

* During the battle, Anders maneuvers behind a Cylon Raider on Seelix's six, but fails to fire his guns. The Cylon Raider seems to sense something different about the chasing Viper and turns around to face it. The Raider's forward lid lowers to reveal its scanning red eye, reminiscent of when Raiders accessed the backdoor in Baltar's [[Command Navigation Program]] in the [[Miniseries]]. Its eye locks straight ahead at Anders, and after a moment Ander's right iris faintly flashes red in response to the Raider's [[IFF]] transponder. The Raider then raises its lid and breaks off, broadcasting its discovery to the rest of the attacking Cylon fleet, which disengages and retreats.
* There is no indication that Anders's inability to fire on the Cylon Raider is because of any technical problem with the Viper. His safeties remain engaged during the battle, which is figured to be one of two things in the episode: what [[Margaret Edmondson]] and Tigh chalk up as a "dumb [[nugget]] mistake," or what Anders suspects is subconscious Cylon programming.

=== Comparisons to the Original Series ===

* The episode shares many of the same concepts in common from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], particularly the mythology laid down in the Original Series's two-parter "[[War of the Gods]]". In that episode, it is revealed that there are greater forces at work in the universe: Count [[Iblis]], who is insinuated to have started the [[Thousand Yahren War]] that resulted in the [[Battle of Cimtar|Colonies' destruction]], and the "forces of good," the [[Beings of Light]] who [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] describes as being "guardians of the universe."
** Essentially, in "[[War of the Gods, Part II]]", [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] is killed by a bolt that Iblis meant for [[Sheba]]. After the encounter, Iblis is captured by the Beings of Light, as are Starbuck and Sheba, who leave the [[red planet]] with Apollo's cadaver in their [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|shuttle]]. Much like [[Kara Thrace]], Apollo comes back from the dead. While Thrace's resurrection has not yet been explained—this being one of the mysteries that drives the current season—Apollo is restored by the Beings of Light.
** Further, like Thrace, the three Warriors of the Original Series experience lost time, memory loss, and feelings of theophany. Additionally, they are given the coordinates to [[Earth (TOS)|Earth]], which are buried in their subconscious only to be awakened by a suggestion Adama makes to the three Warriors. On the other hand, Kara Thrace is given (allegedly) a feeling of extra-sensory perception, being able to "feel" her way to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* It should also be noted that the Beings of Light in the Original Series are capable of moving ships to different locations. In "[[Experiment in Terra]]", this is done to Apollo's ship as they move him well ahead of a patrol from ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]''. Blackouts and memory loss (such as those apparently exhibited by Thrace) also demonstrated in the Original Series's abduction and subsequent encounters with the Beings of Light.
* A potential abduction of Starbuck could relate to the Ship of Lights from the Original Series. These advanced humans evolved to state where they appear to be gods to the Colonials. Likewise, Count Iblis is their satanic counterpart who tries to seduce the Colonial fleet into submission, however, he can't triumph over these benevolent beings of "light," much the same way Lucifer cannot triumph over God in Christian traditions. To extrapolate the analogy further, the Final Five may be members of a benevolent, evolved line of humans who are watching over the Fleet, whereas the Significant Seven represent Count Iblis and the Devil.

== Questions ==

* Did [[Samuel Anders]] make a "dumb [[nugget]] mistake" as Tigh contends, or was it some form of programing that asserted itself?
* Does [[Charlie Connor]] survive the massive beating he experiences at the hands of [[Paulla Schaffer]]?
* Is Kara Thrace the final Cylon? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion|Answer]])
* Where did Thrace get her pristine Viper?
* Are Thrace's claims about being to Earth true? ([[Revelations|Answer]])
* Why is the Viper's camera footage viable, yet nothing is found in the navigational records?
* Why have the Significant Seven Cylons been programmed to not think of the Final Five?
* Can the Significant Seven identify the Final Five once they are able to bypass this imperative? ([[Revelations|Possible answer]])
* Could the gun camera footage from Anders's Viper be used to expose him?
* Was Tigh or Tyrol ever tested by Baltar's Cylon detector before the apparent failure of Boomer's test made the Colonials decide it was useless?
* Would the test identify a Final Five Cylon? Would there be a difference before and after "activation"?
* How did the Cylon fleet locate the Colonial fleet in the Ionian Nebula?

== Official Statements ==

* ''Information from [[Ron Moore]]'s [[Podcast:He That Believeth In Me|podcast]]:''
** A scene was cut where either Anders himself or another crew member cuts off the cast of his leg, thus partially explaining the absence of the leg injury he sustained at the end of Season 3.
** Moore insisted that the ''[[Zephyr]]'' (which he just calls "the ring ship") not be destroyed, but only damaged, because he likes it very much.
** The rooms used by Baltar's cult are referred to as "Baltar's lair" by the writers.
** Moore says that Thrace's pristine Viper will play an important role later in the season.
** The writers are aware of Baltar's visual similarity to Jesus. While Moore admits that it helps to drive some things home, he points out that Baltar is not Jesus.

* ''[[Aaron Douglas]] (via [[w:Anthrax|Anthrax]]'s [[w:Scott Ian|Scott Ian]]) explains an ad-lib that was dropped from one of Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s scenes:''
:"I had the best adlib ever in the scene where Chief walks onto the hangar deck yelling for the [[nugget]]s. It didn't make it into the show. What did make it was something like “lets go nuggets! your momma's aren't going to save ya today” it is all adlib'd but one take I said, & this is pure gold, “drop your dicks and grab your sticks!” 5 seconds later [[Harvey Frand|Harvey [Frand]]] (producer) says from video village, “you can't say dicks on TV”. We had to do it again. Ha." <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://blogs.scifi.com/battlestar/scottian/2008/04/drop-your-dicks-and-grab-your.html|title=SCIFI.com - Scott Ian's Blog: Drop your dicks and grab your sticks!!|date=7 April 2008|accessdate=7 April 2008|last=Ian|first=Scott|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''[[Saul Tigh]] experiences a disturbing daydream:''
: '''[[William Adama]]:''' Saul. Saul! What the hell is wrong with you?
: '''Saul Tigh:''' Nothing, Bill. (Tigh pulls out a gun and aims it at Adama.) I've never felt better in my entire life. (Tigh shoots Adama through his right eye.)

* ''[[Galen Tyrol]] barks out orders:''
: '''Galen Tyrol:''' Get that [[Showboat]] bird in the tube. Where the [[frak]] are these [[nugget]]s? '''C'mon! Momma's not gonna save ya today! Let's go!''' You want to fly or not?

* ''[[Virtual Six]] talks to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]:''
: '''Virtual Six:''' Yesterday you were facing execution. Today, you're free. Why the long face?
: '''Baltar:''' Oh, gee, I don't know. From President of the Colonies to this... King of fools. Probably best to be hated by everyone than loved by this lot, doomed to live out the rest of my life in this looney bin. I don't know, that might have something to do with my rather savage mood swings.
: '''Virtual Six:''' Relax Gaius. Do you think I've brought you this far to let it end here?
: '''Baltar:''' I need encouragement. A ray of hope about the future. An inkling.
: '''Virtual Six:''' You've got me. I'm here for you.

* ''Lee Adama asks his father an uncomfortable set of questions:''
: '''Lee Adama:''' Dad, what if [[Zak Adama|Zak]] had come back to us in that Viper? If my brother had climbed out of that cockpit, would it matter if he were a Cylon? If he always had been? When all said and done, would that really change how we feel about him?

* ''Baltar's prayer for [[Derrick]]:''
: '''Gaius Baltar:''' Please God, I'm asking you this one last time, don't let this child die. Has he sinned against you? He can't have sinned against you. He's not even had a life yet. How can you take him and let me live... after all I've done? Really, if you want someone to suffer, take me. We both know I deserve it. I'm selfish and weak. I have failed so many people. I have killed. I'm not asking for your forgiveness, I'm just asking that you spare the life of this innocent child. Don't take him. Take me. Take me, take me, please.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Lukas Pummell]] as [[Derrick]]
* [[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edomondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Shaun Omaid]] as [[Shaunt]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Heather Doerksen]] as Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]] (credited as "Marine #2")

== External Link ==

*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] discusses the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=241#more-241

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== To <s>quote</s> paraphrase Bill Pullman from ''ID4''... "Let's nuke the bastard." ==

To offer a different perspective from ColonelKevin's point, I think this article really needs to be airlocked and approached in a completely different light. I've really felt this way from the get go, but my feelings are reinforced by the fact that this is the last and final season, and the article will then enter a state of total and complete obsolescence, particularly from an "out of universe perspective".

What I am proposing is that the article be written to detail "in universe" Cylon speculation and how they've dealt with the threat of Cylons looking human. I'm looking at documenting the overall human reaction to this, which would include things like [[Sesha Abinell]]'s conspiracy theories, the Colonials attempts at a Cylon detector, the Fleet leadership's concerns about releasing the information before "[[Litmus]]", etc. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's "Nuke 'em. Let's nuke the bastards.". And.. I agree. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:: You're right, Mr. Quotables... I meant "paraphrasing". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Seems like a good idea. From what I can infer, most, if not all, of the in-universe early-S4 speculation will be on Starbuck, so we might need to decide where we draw the lines between this article, [[Kara Thrace]] and [[The Destiny]]. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 00:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

:I agree somewhat. We know that many people love this speculation and the survey also shows that some people expect it here. But IMHO, it's just inane and verges on the annoying. There are so many fan theories floating around out there, it's flat out impossible to reflect even a good part of it. The problem is also, that what started out as interesting and ''grounded'' speculation, has deteriorated into complete bullshit by now, also due to the introduction of the Final Five. Especially with the latter, we can't really know which criteria even imply for potential cylonicity. In that regard, I've always felt that this wiki is a place for fact, analysis and some well-founded speculation here and there; and that complete speculation - like this - is a matter for forums. There are dozens of forums with endless threads of Final Five speculation, so why does this have to be rehashed on a wiki?
:That said, the article has finally approached a state where it's readable and worthy of the wiki, by excising most of the specious speculation and concentrating on a few likely characters. However, as Joe said, its validity in light of the upcoming revelations - and also the uncertain basis for the arguments - is somewhat questionable. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::While I do think it's possible to do a speculation page properly, there's no doubt that it's a huge task to produce one that's relatively grounded and well sourced, particularly considering how just about anyone could be the final cylon. It's hard to say if such a task is really worth the effort. If I had to chose between leaving the page as it is now or nuking it, I'd definetely say nuke it. Maybe take the best bits (the comment from Bradley Thompson and the Hybird prophecy, maybe the last supper picture, none of the speculation) and just place it on the section for the Final Cylon on the Humanoid Cylon article? -- [[User:ColonelKevin|ColonelKevin]] 16:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I think collecting the pro/anti cylon clues for the characters is worthwhile. But perhaps it should be just done as two sets of bullet points per character -- reasons why, and why not they could be a Cylon. Tell people to stick to itemizing information from canon/official, leave it to the reader to judge what it means. Then add one broad section on non-character specific information (like the last supper etc.)--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 17:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

This article used to be a load of bullet points, but people didn't like that so we changed it to its current state. Despite writing about half of the article as it stands, I'm not a big fan of it. The problem is mainly with the in-universe clues, someone, somewhere will have some reason why pretty much any arbitrary scene means some character being a Cylon. There are some relatively good things to consider [Baltar's hallucinations, Starbuck's return from the dead], but eventually you have to draw the line somewhere [Some people take Leoben saying "Adama's a Cylon" as a clue, is that justified?]. It's all terribly subjective and messy and not really for an encyclopaedia. Having a comprehensive coverage of fan speculation is both impossible and undesirable.

I think the best thing about the article is that it stopped speculation spilling into other parts of the Wiki. An '''in'''-universe look at the issue would be better, and probably quite pertinent for season 4. Nevertheless, fan speculation on who is and isn't a Cylon has been an important part of the viewing experience (whenever I meet a Galactica fan the fisrt question I always ask is "Who do you think the last Cylon is?")

Consequently, it is worth considering if we can find a way to cover, out-of-universe, that element of the viewing experience in an encyclopaedic manner without necessarily joining in. At the very least we could include a line like: "Since the outset of the show fans have speculated on who could be a Cylon. Theories for practically every character exist, with fans drawing justification from events in both aired content and comments from cast and crew."

Also we need to consider what happens to [[Baltar as Cylon speculation]], which is a very detailed essay, but probably not encyclopaedic. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:So, what's the plan? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, as you noted, the problem is that we'll never be able to cover fan theories in an encyclopedic format... Fan theories are really a dime a dozen, and to cover even 10% of them would be extremely biased. It seems quite apparent to me that the best bet would be to put the [[Baltar as Cylon speculation]] page to pasture, and redo the "humanoid Cylon speculation" page from an in-universe perspective, as I had suggested. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::What do you have in mind exactly? There isn't really any in-universe speculation for the final Cylon, expect for Baltar, which is covered in the other article. I guess we could cover the entire series and list people who were suspects at one time, which would be Boomer, Cmd. Adama, Ellen Tigh and Tyrol I guess. Maybe some more, but not a lot, and not really that interesting as it's common knowledge. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm more interested in how the humans have grappled with identifying "who's a Cylon?" throughout the series then the search for the "Last Cylon", which I really don't find that interesting. When all is said and done, finding out "who's a Cylon" isn't as interesting as people make it out to be. So, as I've stated before:
::::"What I am proposing is that the article be written to detail 'in universe' Cylon speculation and how they've dealt with the threat of Cylons looking human. I'm looking at documenting the overall human reaction to this, which would include things like [[Sesha Abinell]]'s conspiracy theories, the Colonials attempts at a Cylon detector, the Fleet leadership's concerns about releasing the information before '[[Litmus]]', etc." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, covering all that would be good and goes beyond the tired "who is a Cylon?" guessing. I agree that that's way overrated. Good TV in general isn't so much about what happens as how it affects the characters. I didn't know you wanted to go into that direction, which is why I asked. A different article name might be appropriate then, though. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::With the addition of "one will be revealed" as the core of the main titles, I have to say I differ. It seems remiss not to have a page collecting the clues to what the producers themselves have declared is the central event and mystery of the season. And there's a lot of material around this -- the debate over the last supper page, various official statements etc.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I've drafted a rebooting of this article, sticking to canonical clues with minimal speculation. The word "could" barely appears. What's the best way to introduce the new article? Created a rebooted page and later rename it if people like it?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 04:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, you can create a rebooted version of the page... We can always rename it later. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
: Create it as subpage of this article. Like [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot]] -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

With the in-show revelation that the final Cylon is not in the fleet (at least according to Three), Ron Moore's comment about the final Cylon not being in the picture seems to have been given much more credence. That would seem to suggest profound implications for this page, which is premised around a major character being the most likely revelation.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 00:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Karl ==

We were actually told that Hera and Nicky '''are''' hybrid children by Mr Moore (and Baltar tests Hera's blood for her hybrid nature in [[Epiphanies]]), hence Karl (and Cally) are definitely humans. This is unless RDM is just plain lying to us, which is quite possible. Nevertheless, I have a little faith, so I'm going to revert this edit.

Oh, yeah, weren't we planning to completely overhaul this article anyway? -- 09:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

: Yeah, but go ahead and revert it. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== New theory about the final one: Benjamin "Ben" Linus from Lost ==

http://www.battlestarforum.com/showpost.php?p=15994&postcount=280 (posted into forum as suggested)

{{unsigned|Karamanthos}}

: Hi there, Karamanthos! If I might make a suggestion, you're better off adding your theories to the [http://www.battlestarforum.com Battlestar Forum]. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== The Hybrids ==

It's a bit of a stretch, but they seem to meet most of the criteria.
*There are no Hybrids in the fleet.
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] was not in the [[The Last Supper|Last Supper image]].
*They are definitely Cylons.
*They don't have a model number.
*Redemption can mean either atonement or liberation.
*They are arguably "still in shadow".
*The "howl of terrible suffering" could refer to how the Hybrid screamed before becoming lucid in [[Faith]].
*The Hybrids played a significant role in leading the Colonials and Cylons to Earth.
There are, however, a few problems.
*The Hybrids coming from Earth seems like a stretch.
*Although we don't know how long the Hybrid concept has been around, the Hybrids weren't introduced until early season 3, and IIRC they decided on the identity of the final Cylon in season 2.
Is there enough evidence to include the Hybrids under ''others''? What about under ''more esoteric theories''? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I think "more esoteric theories" is quite applicable here. The purpose of the section is to list some of the more out-of-the-box ideas that people might have. I think it would be best to simply state it, rather than include the justification above, else the section will get cluttered (like the rest of the article). [[User:OTW|OTW]] 00:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Article [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot|rebooted]] ==

Ok, so I've written up a reboot of the article based on the information presented in "[[Revelations]]". That can be located [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot|here]]. If there aren't any major objections I'd like to move the reboot to the main article space no later than the end of this week. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
:Looks good :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely an improvement. I don't know that I'd privilege the final cylon being on the basestar as a "main theory" above some of the other options like dead or unseen characters returning as the final cylon. It seems very unlikely to me that Three's words can be taken so literally, and implausible that she completely ignored a Final Five cylon already on the basestar. Debate over minor issues like that can wait until after the article is rebooted, however.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 23:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
::: True. Obviously, I have no problem with people modifying it for other speculation, such as dead characters or the like. The last permutations of this article went completely overboard, IMHO, and I really want to restrict that here as much as humanly possible. (Or at least find a balance between the two extremes.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Looks fine to me, too. The esoteric section is a bit "blogish", however. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
: While an improvement, it gives too much attention to Boomer (who is largely ruled out by D'Anna's declaration to Cavil that "There are five OTHER Cylons, Brother") and not enough attention to the dead characters, who seem to be all that is left. Now, I agree the article should focus only on real clues, and not "suspicious circumstances" and "wouldn't it be cool ifs" I do have a [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/what-minor-character-final-cylon speculative article which you might find useful as source material on the dead characters]. Actual true clues (at the level of Tyrol's compulsion to seek the temple or his superior response to being spaced) of the sort we've seen before are few and far between, yet RDM promises they are there. Yet we see none for non-eliminated characters--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 06:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::That post is a very interesting read, Bradtem, and could I think be adapted to wiki-article form with very little revision.
::Another way to go with this article, which is looking better to me all the time, would be to limit it to providing background information - everything from the rebooted article up to and including "General Factors for Consideration" - but not including any specific theories. As Bradtem points out, there is really very little to base plausible speculation on. The options all seem equally unlikely: a dead returning to the bewilderment of most viewers? Number Three having some hidden reason to ignore the fifth's presence on the basestar or in the fleet? A special copy of a Cylon model? A completely new character being offered as a satisfactory conclusion to a series-long mystery in the final episode?
::I actually have faith in the writers' narrative abilities to pull off any of the above, and to do so well, but I don't think at this point we have enough information to make plausible guesses as to what they ''will'' do. It's all "More esoteric ideas" at this point.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 22:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:::And that is the problem. RDM has told us he's left clues, and he did -- for characters now eliminated by him. All that stuff in the draft article is "could be" style speculation -- as is also the case with my post linked to above. Right now it may be that all an article can do is list the general clues (specific, dramatic or offscreen), most of which eliminate characters. The stuff about Boomer is not only another round of "isn't this suspicious" that can be applied to almost any character, but goes against two elimination clues. Right now I am hard pressed to come up with actual clues on the order of the ones I cite above for Tyrol.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 01:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Sadly, this is the problem... you've nailed it right on the head. If I may be blunt, RDM has clearly pulled a lot of things out of his ass—such as the "Final Five", and the fact that those Cylons do not have numbers—which leaves a lot of inconsistencies in the overall story, which include the inaccuracy in the number scheme (no "Number Seven"?), the whole "Cylon Resurrection Hub", and that horrendous piece of PR garbage, "The Last Supper". A lot of this show is off the cuff, and it shows ''very'' badly. Frankly, I really wish they would've called J. Michael Straczynski or some ''B5'' alumni so that the show could be properly plotted storywise. (I'd be interested to see how well this series ages in 30 years; I don't think it'll age well at all in terms of storytelling, which is very hit or miss. As you can tell, I have a very "love/hate" relationship with this series, in addition to the original.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Another, broader reboot ==

I have provided another form of reboot for the article [[Humanoid_Cylon_speculation/ColdBoot|here]]. The thrust is to constrain clues to three types I outline -- actual extrahuman events, dramatic mentions of cylonhood, and outside sources. I've largely stuck to it, though I have got one or two clues that go outside it, such as noting how Ellen's arrival with the fleet was extremely suspicious.

What I hope to remove are "clues" of the sort I've seen before, that say, "Dualla has been keeping herself close to the seats of power" and other activity which is suspicious, but not actually extrahuman or Cylon related. I've also abstained from clues of the "It would be really cool if Cally were the Cylon because Tory murdered her." While these sorts of dramatic hints may well be clues, the show is too full of them. If Dualla's not close to power, then somebody else is. So I do think it's OK to bend the rules for the extremely suspicious, or the very obviously dramatic foreshadowings.

To help people understand this more, I have included a list of the clues from the past that turned out to be real clues. They are very few, but people can add if they saw some others.

Different tone from Joe's, but let me know what you think, and if you like it, let's promote it to replace the old one. {{unsigned|Bradtem}}

: I like this one. I do thing a merging of the two is in order, since I personally believe there should be an "in-universe" POV for how the Fleet dealt with their own suspicions on who a Cylon could be (Baltar's detector, the paranoia concerns in the first season, etc.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, the basics look good, but it still needs some tweaking here and there to fine-tune sentences, points, cites and such. And please, can we stop giving so much credence to Leoben's lie in "Flesh and Bone". At least it should be mentioned that it's most likely just BS instead of some "clue". -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, absolutely. Could use more cites and some cleanup here and there. However, I do rather think the more obvious false clue should be mentioned "Adama is a Cylon", since it does lead to in-universe speculation—and rather humorously dark moments between Roslin and Adama in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

So are we just going to leave this old article up and have people keep updating it, or go with my reboot or one of the other reboots? Soon it will have been a waste of effort...--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 02:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

: It sadly already is. My earlier recommendation for an "in-universe" perspective still stands. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

==Starbuck As A Cylon==

'''''However she was also physically abused as a child and still carries the scars; Cylons seem to be more robust than humans and possibly may not carry such long-term injuries. The same may be said of the knee injury which put a stop to Thrace's Pyramid playing ambitions.'''''

What about Tigh's eye? He's a Cylon and his injury hasn't healed. that's a long-term injury that he still carries.

Starbuck can have scars and still be a Cylon.

: Yes, true. Well, this whole page will face a massive rewrite after S4.5 begins airing anyway. I'm just ready to delete this page, to be honest, since it's so bad as to be funny... and that's being generous. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== After the final Cylon is revealed ==
Once the final Cylon is revealed, I feel that this article should cover the following:
*In-universe speculation within the show's storyline, such as the speculation on Baltar and Starbuck.
*Plausible clues that characters are Cylons at least one episode before they are revealed as such.
*Confirmed intentional hints that characters may be Cylons, including red herrings and remnants of abandoned plotlines.
-- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

: Sounds a lot better than what we have at present. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== You Will Know the Truth ==
I found a [http://jamesjacob77.blogspot.com/2008/11/who-is-final-cylon_29.html blog post] that links to [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/ this page on scifi.com]. They've also got a [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2319583&st=0 forum thread] on it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

== [[Zak Adama]]? ==

It's possible that Zak Adama is the final Cylon. The main reason I say this is because of [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]]'s line in [[Flesh and Bone]]: "Adama is a Cylon." I don't think that it's William Adama, Apollo, or by extension Dualla. Is this viable enough for inclusion in the article? --[[User:JemHadar359|JemHadar359]] 05:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:In this article on SyFy Portal[http://www.syfyportal.com/news425609.html], Michael Hinman claims that they have received confirmation of the identity of the final Cylon from multiple sources, and claims that the final Cylon is one of five characters listed in the article. Zak Adama is not on the list. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
: As I said before—and forgive me for soundin' like a broken record—but this article will be dead in its present (and the ColdBoot form) before the season ends anyway. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Just a feeling. . . ==

that the final cylon will be someone that there's been no speculation about. Someone right out of left field. Personally, I'd like to think it's. . . Romo Lampkin. [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 16:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== What about Number Seven? ==

Do we have any information about the existence or nonexistence of Number Seven? In many interviews and articles, it has been stated that the Final Five don't have model numbers, so it couldn't be any of them. Has the issue of Number Seven been addressed in any interviews? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
: Not yet you don't. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Archiving rather than deleting ==

I can't say I'll miss all the fanwanking we did on this page and its sisters, but I think it'll be a hoot to leave these pages as of Ellen Tigh's reveal, locked with a note about the relative history of how contributors jerked themselves around trying to formulate a logic for the last Cylons. The main articles would be protected as well as the talk pages for people to smile and laugh at (especially the producers and writers who probably made ''sure'' we were wrong! ;) Thoughts? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Sure, archive it. Though I will point out that if you read the [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot]] replacement that I started for it 6 months ago, it would in fact have led the reader to probably pick Ellen. Not sure why my efforts to get it live never amounted to anyting, but "nyah, nyah, I told you so..." :-) So archive that too. --[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 09:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Crossroads, Part II

2009-01-19T10:27:21Z

Bradtem: /* Cylons & The Final Five */ The answer to Tigh's cry is not in SAGN, as that would suggest he knew Ellen's status before he had the flashback

{{Episode Data
| title= Crossroads, Part II
| image= 3x20-CrossroadsPartII-BaltarSixHera.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 20
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 319
| rating=1.2
| US airdate= 2007-03-25
| CAN airdate=2007-03-25
| UK airdate= {{Crossroads, Part II PAL broadcast date}}
| dvd=
| podcast=y
| extra= '''Season Finale - 50 Minute Episode'''
| prev= [[Crossroads, Part I]]
| next= [[He That Believeth In Me]]
| unbox= B000V1ZQH0
}}

== Overview ==
:''As Gaeta testifies against Baltar about the execution list that the accused signed on New Caprica, Roslin finds a disturbing link between her dreams and the [[Opera House]] on Kobol. Lee Adama turns around the trial with an unusual move, and several people make a disturbing discovery about themselves.''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===
*[[Admiral Adama]] shaves, cutting himself when the lights flicker.
*[[Laura Roslin]] calls, seeking a bit of humorous motivation to get out of bed and face the [[Crossroads, Part I|trial]] again, which she does not relish.
*After one feeble attempt, Adama manages "get your fat, lazy ass out of that rack, Roslin!" which makes Roslin laugh and give a heartfelt thank you. Adama tells her, "Don't let 'em see you sweat, Laura."
*[[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] are sexually engaged when she hears a [[The Music|strange music]]. When she notes it to Anders, he's surprised at the revelation, having heard it before himself.
*[[Diana Seelix]] knocks on the [[duty locker]] door and Anders opens it. An uncomfortable silence between Seelix, Anders and Foster begins.
*[[Galen Tyrol]] is half-asleep, humming the music. He leaves his bed and quarters and goes to a section of ventilation to hear the music elsewhere on ''[[Galactica]]''.
*[[Lee Adama]] recommends pursuing a mistrial for [[Gaius Baltar]], using his grandfather's written advice, believing that their successes are actually worsening the issue. Baltar is incensed at the suggestion, believing that Adama wants to leave the case.
*[[Romo Lampkin]], Baltar's attorney, is inclined to agree with Adama, but young Adama's comment about his father's words about the "treacherous" Baltar leaves him to ponder.
*Baltar doesn't want to repeat the terror he's experienced in the time before the trial.
*[[Racetrack]] is training Seelix, Anders, and other [[Raptor]] [[nugget]]s, when Anders overhears Chief Tyrol humming. Together, they realize that the melody feels like something out of childhood, and they hear only a part of the melody.
*Before they can analyze further, Racetrack yells for Anders to return to the group.

===Act 1===
*Roslin takes [[Doloxan]] treatment in [[sickbay]]. As she lies down and dreams, she experiences the same dream as [[Sharon Agathon]], also in sickbay with [[Hera Agathon|her daughter]], and both scream simultaneously. The two ask to talk privately.
*Later, Roslin and Sharon Agathon meet with [[Caprica-Six]], who has also experienced the dreams. When asked why Six is trying to reach Hera, she says that she felt she had to protect her "with (my) life."
*[[Saul Tigh]] tells Admiral Adama about the music. The admiral tells Tigh that he will look into it later as he leaves for court.
*The trial resumes. Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] is on the stand. The [[Precipice|execution order]] from [[New Caprica]] is admitted as evidence by [[Cassidy]], the prosecutor.
*Gaeta lies, as viewers are shown the actual events where Baltar is forced to sign at gunpoint, where Gaeta says that Baltar did not resist.
*Lampkin chooses not to cross-examine, to Baltar's great horror. The prosecution rests.

===Act 2===
*After a recess, the defense begins its case.
*Lampkin motions for a mistrial, as Baltar objects, due to prejudicial comments by Admiral Adama four days before. He asks for Mr. Lee Adama to take the stand.
*The prosecuting attorney strongly objects, but after Lampkin warns of much case law (he can think of seven examples off the top of his head) that permits such a procedure, the tribunal allows Mr. Adama to testify.
*Mr. Adama refuses to confirm his father's comments. As Lampkin tries to intimidate Mr. Adama, he restates, asking him if Baltar deserves a fair trial.
*Mr. Adama states that he does. When asked why, he states his belief that Baltar is not guilty. The prosecutor tries to get Mr. Adama off the stand at this point, but Admiral Adama asks for the questioning to continue.
*Pressed for more clarification, Mr. Adama states that Baltar did not commit treason. He asks the tribunal what anyone else would do in that situation. He notes that all other conspirators and resistance fighters were pardoned, as were many, many other mistakes of the past, from [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Roslin]], to [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Admiral Adama]], and himself in the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' and running from [[New Caprica]], recommending never to return with [[Pegasus (RDM)|his battlestar]].
*Mr. Adama believes that new laws are needed because they are less of a civilization now and more of a gang. He states that, unlike everyone else, Baltar is being prosecuted because of his arrogance and other considerable character flaws and is not being accorded the same forgiveness as others.
*Adama believes that the trial is built on emotions and shame from the events of New Caprica, and the shame of those that ran away. Mr. Adama looks to his father as he speaks.
*He believes that Baltar is a scapegoat for all the guilt of the people.
*The prosecuting attorney does not cross-examine, and the defense rests.
*The tribunal steps out to deliberate as Roslin steps down to congratulate Cassidy for her work.

===Act 3===
*Baltar is acquitted, 3 votes to 2 against. Yelling turns into a riot in the gallery as [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] try to get Baltar to safety while the [[Fleet News Service|press]] tries to interview many players.
*Baltar is happily discussing the victory but makes a mistake in insulting Admiral Adama. Lee Adama warns him, "Don't push it, doctor."
*When Baltar asks Lampkin to aid him in a book tour and other profitable matters, Lampkin tells him that his association with Baltar is over.
*Baltar suddenly realizes that, despite his apparent freedom, he is a man without a country, without work, friends, or even quarters.
*Lampkin and Mr. Adama say their goodbyes. Lee Adama, on seeing Lampkin walking away without his cane, realizes that he had used the cane as yet another psychological tactic.
*Gaius Baltar tries to be inconspicuous as he moves files elsewhere, but all eyes are on him.
*Roslin and Admiral Adama speak in [[CIC]]. She is incensed at the verdict. Adama reminds Roslin that "not guilty" does not mean "innocent."
*Roslin, who had assumed that Adama cast a guilty vote, realizes [to her shock and anger], that the admiral voted not guilty. She questions him on that, and he confirms that indeed voted to acquit Baltar because the prosecution failed to make its case.
*Adama tells Roslin that no one is asking anyone to forgive or forget, but they must look to the future.
*Adama orders the last jump to the [[Ionian nebula]]. The jump is successful, and Adama orders a [[DRADIS]] scan when Roslin becomes immediately dazed and stunned.
*As Admiral Adama looks to Roslin to check on her health, main power on every ship of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] fails, leaving each one, including ''Galactica'', drifting dangerously close to each other.

===Act 4===
*Pilots scramble with [[flashlight]]s to their stations while CIC tries to get to auxiliary power, but battery power is the best they can muster.
*The scene shifts to a dream in the [[Opera House]] again, with Gaius Baltar holding Hera and Caprica-Six next to him. Above them, the glowing images of the [[Final Five]] appear. Caprica-Six awakens from the dream.
*Baltar tries to take advantage of the darkness and chaos when [[Baltar's Angels|three women]] confront him. Frightened, Baltar is told by the women that they will take him to safety.
*The mysterious music gets louder, and Tigh, Galen Tyrol, Tory Foster and Anders begin quoting lyrics from an [[The Music|increasingly coherent melody]].
*As viewers watch, the music becomes louder and more dynamic. Each of the four are drawn to the gym on ''Galactica'', where they discover each other. Each are stunned and shocked.
*Tyrol believes the impossible; that all of them are [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Each of them begin to hum the music, together, coherently, in full. Tigh angrily stops them and closes the hatches while they talk.
*Tigh states his time in service, and his history, trying to believe that none of it was in vain. Anders objects as well.
*As power is restored, DRADIS picks up a large Cylon fleet coming their way. [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] manage to scramble. [[Helo]], as acting XO, notes the mass power outage will mean that it will take at least 20 minutes for the [[FTL]] jump drives on the civilian ships to be ready. The admiral doesn't believe they have the time.
*In the closed room, Tigh states that, despite what they believe about themselves, that he is going to do his job as a Colonial officer, and heads to CIC. Tory follows Tigh to CIC, while Tyrol and Anders head to the hangar deck.
*The [[hangar deck]] is abuzz with activity as Chief Tyrol arrives, shouting out orders to get a Viper into the launch tube.
*Lee Adama returns to his quarters and grabs his flight suit deciding that he needs to be in the cockpit, protecting the Fleet.
*Admiral Adama orders the preparation of the battlestar's nuclear weapons. Tigh reports on station, keeping his face stony, as does Tory Foster, offering any help to President Roslin.
*The Vipers launch. [[Helo]] is confused about the pilot of Viper 3, which turns out to be Apollo.
*Apollo picks up a target on his [[Viper Mark VII|Viper's]] DRADIS, and tracks it down. As he looks around, an image of a [[Viper Mark II]] keeps appearing and disappearing in the clouds and on DRADIS. The image buzzes overhead and alarms the pilot momentarily.
*Pulling alongside in her undamaged Viper, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] greets Apollo. She tells him not to "freak out," that it really is her.
[[Image:Earth (RDM).jpg|250px|thumb|right|Earth, in the closing seconds.]]
*The [[Maelstrom|believed-dead]] pilot tells Apollo that she has been to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and that she can guide the Fleet there.
*The music's mood and intensity changes from a [[w:sitar|sitar]] blend into an extremely loud rock-fusion version.
*As the music continues to play, the episode concludes as the shot pulls swiftly and violently away from Apollo and Starbuck's Viper, past the Colonial fleet, the Cylon fleet and several planets to show an arm of the galaxy.
*The shot suddenly zooms forward and into roughly the same spot in the galaxy to the familiar blue-green planet of Earth, showing what is known to viewers as the North American continent.

== Notes ==
* Four of the "[[Final Five]]" are revealed to be [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Saul Tigh]], and [[Tory Foster]].
* Lee Adama points out a string of incidents throughout the series that would have resulted in serious consequences under normal circumstances, but where the persons involved weren't punished: his destruction of the ''Olympic Carrier'' ([[33]]), William Adama's coup against Roslin, Lee putting a weapon to Colonel Tigh's head and supporting a mutiny ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), Helo and Chief Tyrol killing Lt. [[Thorne]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]), Tigh's use of suicide bombers on New Caprica ([[Occupation]]), and people supporting the Cylons on New Caprica ([[Collaborators]]).
* Bob Dylan stated his song "[[w:All Along The Watchtower|All Along the Watchtower]]" is better understood when viewed in reverse order. This song has been covered by numerous artists with Jimi Hendrix recording the definitive version. The song's [http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/watchtower.html lyrics] can be interpreted as holding many parallels to the situation that Tigh, Anders, Tyrol, and Foster find themselves in.
* The [[Viper Mark II|Viper Mk. II]] piloted by [[Kara Thrace]] does not have a nameplate and appears to be brand new, unlike ''Galactica's'' battle-worn Mk. IIs.
* The final scene of the episode depicts Earth, notably the North American continent, definitively indicating Earth's existence.
* Originally, Baltar's defense was planned to hinge completely on an incident with the [[Sagittaron]]s during the occupation of New Caprica. Many Sagittarons secluded themselves in their own settlement that was raided by the other humans who killed all Sagittarons there. Baltar was accused of ordering or allowing it, but then it turned out that he tried to prevent it. To this end, the Sagittarons were to be developed over several episodes, but this idea was scrapped because it didn't work out; with episodes like "[[Dirty Hands]]" rewritten and scenes in other episodes cut. Remnants of this plot can still be seen in "[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]" and "[[The Woman King]]" ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three]]).

== Analysis ==

* With the revelation that [[Galen Tyrol]] is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon]], the second known Human-Cylon hybrid known to exist is in the form of [[Nicholas Tyrol]]. His birth reinforces the Cylon belief that love is a necessary component to successful procreation. This would make one male and one female hybrid born to date. There may be significant biological differences between the two hybrids; one was carried to term by a human while the other was carried to term by a Cylon. This assumes Galen really is the father; there is strong evidence but no definitive proof of that.
* The reason for Tyrol's discovery of the [[Temple of Five]] on the [[algae planet]] is better explained here, however it is clearly apparent that his conscious mind is unable to rationalize the reason he discovers it.
* It is also reaffirmed that none of the original seven are aware of the Final Five. As demonstrated by [[Sharon Valerii]]'s lack of knowledge about Galen Tyrol's true nature during her relationship with him in [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season 1]] and the torture of Saul Tigh on New Caprica by the Cylons.
* Intrepid viewers are quick to note that Tigh and Tyrol demonstrate no ill effects to the radiation from [[Ragnar]] in the [[Miniseries]]. However, [[Sharon Valerii]] was also exposed to Ragnar's radiation, and suffered no ill effects. It should also be noted that ''Galactica'' herself has radiation shielding, which is designed to protect her crew from hard nuclear-class radiation, as demonstrated in the Miniseries after the nuclear warhead's impact. As [[Ragnar Anchorage]] likely did not have this type of shielding, due to its nature as an ammunition reserve for the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], it is extremely likely that ''Galactica'' was able to diminish the effects of the radiation, thus either delaying symptoms or the radiation received is too minuscule to invoke sickness.
* Saul Tigh has been known to physically exist for roughly 30 years as of this episode. While Tigh claims to have fought in the first Cylon War, aside from likely military documentation about his service in the war, there are no supporting non-Cylon witnesses to support his claim. This predates the two-year marker previously indicated by two known infiltrators, [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii]].
* A bit of potential, if not ironic, foreshadowing is seen regarding Tyrol being a Cylon in [[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season 2]]'s "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]". In that episode, upon returning to ''Galactica'' from [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Galen Tyrol is suspected to be a Cylon agent by none other than Colonel Tigh.
* As described by Tyrol when the four meet, the music and the Fleet's arrival to the nebula set off a switch within the minds of the four Cylons. However, unlike Boomer, their Cylon natures do not come with a different set of memories or personality.
* The four new Cylons all hold very important or potentially important roles within the Fleet. Tigh is the right hand man for Adama. Foster is the right hand woman for Roslin. Tyrol is the chief in charge of all military maintenance and repairs on the Vipers and Raptors, and is also head of the Colonial labor union. Anders is a new pilot amongst the soldiers of the Fleet and previously a key figure in the resistance movements on both Caprica and New Caprica.
* According to Lampkin, [[Joseph Adama]] was a brilliant defense attorney, but not an honest man. This may allude to one of the reasons why Lampkin despised Joseph Adama, but explains Lampkin's tactics as he also respected Joseph as a mentor.
* Lee Adama finally realizes the full extent of how he was manipulated once he sees Lampkin walk off on his own with no cane. Lampkin's ruse was successful in putting a wedge between the Adamas to allow Baltar to be pronounced not guilty.
* Another tendency for the younger Adama is that when faced with the option of completely severing and opposing his father, he will relent and attempt to return to his father's good graces. This has been seen when Lee Adama was given the chance to denounce his father to the Fleet during the military coup, but eventually told Zarek that he couldn't.
* Ironically, it was Roslin who originally wanted Lee Adama to lead a panel to determine who is fit to be on the tribunal. Her reasons being that she believed Lee Adama has a sense of right and wrong that others don't have at that time. Her belief about Lee comes back to haunt her as he rightly points out that her broad forgiveness policy for all within the Fleet after the second Exodus should be applied to Baltar as well. Her fear and knowledge of Baltar's involvement with the genocide of the Colonies has clouded her judgment to extend her original act of grace to Baltar.
* Lampkin apparently was telling the truth that all he had wanted was to have the glory of being the attorney for the most hated man of the Fleet. Once his job is accomplished, he cleans his hands of Baltar, and makes it clear that besides the trial, he does not want to be associated with Baltar.
* Starbuck's last words in the episode allude back to "[[Maelstrom]]" as she is taking on the role of the [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]] idol that she gave to Adama before her "death." She claims that, like the idol placed on the model ship, she will be leading the way to Earth.
* Baltar's determined investigation into whether he was one of the Final Five was rooted in a desperation of figuring out who he was. For Baltar, if he were a Cylon, then he never was a traitor to his people and his self-identity would be cemented forever. However, for the four newly discovered Cylons, the revelation of their underlying natures leave them confused and their self-identity fundamentally shaken. While Baltar would have embraced this revelation with joy, the four new Cylons tremble with horror.
* The loss of Tigh's eye on [[New Caprica]] now has a kind of dark humor to it, as the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] on both the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original]] and [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined]] Series are characterized by having only a single eye.
* Tigh states that if he dies today, he will be remembered as a human officer of the Fleet and a patriot. But if death for the Final Five is similar to that of the other humanoid Cylon models, if he dies he will be downloaded into a new body, surrounded by Cylons intending to manipulate him to their side or box his consciousness, and should he ever come in contact with those who knew him as a human they would instantly regard him as a Cylon and therefore an enemy.
* If the Final Five are capable of resurrecting and if Kara Thrace is the last of them, this could provide an explanation for how she comes to the Ionian nebula. Her Viper could have been provided in the same way as the Raptor Baltar uses to get to the disabled basestar in "[[Torn]]".
*Earth is shown in its current shape, long after the tectonic drift that split the [[w:Pangaea|Pangaea]] super-continent millions of years earlier in the planet's history. Also, due to the orbital altitude of the vantage point and that all visible landmasses are in sunlight, no trace of a highly advanced technological civilization can be detected by visual means even if it existed.

== Questions ==

=== Answered Questions ===

==== General ====

* Are viewers supposed to interpret the music as the actual Dylan song, and therefore a connection to Earth? ([[#Official Statements|Answer]])
* What is the importance of the [[Opera House]]? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Partial answer]])
* How far is the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] away from the solar system? ([[The Ties That Bind#Analysis|Possible answer]])
* Are the pursuing Cylons affected by the phenomenon which caused the simultaneous loss and subsequent simultaneous restoration of power throughout the fleet after jumping to the Ionian nebula? ([[He That Believeth In Me|Answer]])
* Does Lee Adama truly see Thrace in a Viper or has she become an apparition, similar in nature to Baltar's internal Six? ([[He That Believeth In Me|Answer]])
* What is the current state of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]? ([[Revelations|Partial Answer]])
* Is there any significance to Roslin's disorientation after the jump? ([[The Hub|Possible Answer]])

==== Characters ====

* Who are the women who spirit [[Gaius Baltar]] to safety and what are their plans? ([[Cult of Baltar|Answer]])
* As [[William Adama]] is the deciding vote for Baltar's 'not guilty' verdict, how will this act (and [[Lee Adama]]'s testimony) affect their relationship with each other? ([[He That Believeth In Me|Answer]], [[Sine Qua Non|Answer #2]])
* What does [[Kara Thrace]] know that makes her assure [[Lee Adama]] "It's gonna be OK" when a Cylon fleet is closing fast? ([[The Destiny|Answer]])
* Will Roslin's physical appearance change drastically because of her cancer treatments? ([[Six of One|Answer #1]], [[Escape Velocity|#2]], [[Faith|#3]])
* How will Thrace's "resurrection" from the dead be viewed by the Colonials? ([[He That Believeth In Me|Answer]])

==== Cylons & The Final Five ====

* Did the Cylons develop humanoid models before the first [[Cylon War]]? ([[#Official Statements|Answer #1]], [[Razor|#2]])
* Assuming they choose to reveal their true natures, how will those close to the four revealed Cylons react when they learn the truth about their friends and loved ones? ([[The Ties That Bind|Answer #1]], [[Revelations|#2]]) Can they reveal their natures? ([[He That Believeth In Me|Possible Answer]], [[Revelations|Answer]])
* With the revelation that they are Cylons, will their allegiances to the Colonials change or will they continue to identify themselves as humans? ([[He That Believeth In Me|Answer #1]], [[Revelations|#2]])
* Will Colonel Tigh's hatred of the Cylons persist in light of his discovery of his Cylon nature? ([[Escape Velocity|Possible answer #1]], [[Sine Qua Non|#2]])
* Will Cally's hatred of the Cylons persist if she discovers that her husband is a Cylon and that [[Nicholas Tyrol|her son]] is a human-Cylon hybrid? ([[The Ties That Bind|Answer]])
* Are any of their histories, such as Tigh's 40 years of service and Tyrol's memories of his parents, true? ([[#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Why did Tyrol and Tigh show no ill effects during their time in the Ragnar Anchorage? ([[#Analysis|Possible reason]])
* If any of the Final Five were to die, would they be resurrected in a Cylon Resurrection Ship? ([[The Hub|Possible answer]], see Unanswered Questions section for more questions on this tangent.)
* Will the six other active Cylon models discover the identities of the Final Five? ([[Revelations|Answer]])
* Do the Final Five also have the general inability to conceive children? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])
* Why does Tigh ask "What about Ellen?" in the midst of stating his memories of two Cylon Wars and two decades of service? ([[Exodus, Part II|Answer]])

=== Unanswered Questions ===

==== General ====

* Why does the Fleet jump into the nebula when it is obvious that the Cylons were following them, had probably inferred their trajectory, and could well set up a trap?
* How were Kara Thrace and her [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]], unharmed and without any explicable means, able to survive the events of "[[Maelstrom]]" and transport from the "interior" of a gas planet to Earth and then to the Ionian nebula within a relatively short span of time?
* How much does Thrace remember about [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]?
* What phenomenon causes the simultaneous power loss and equally simultaneous power restoration throughout the Fleet after jumping to the [[Ionian nebula]]?

==== Characters ====

* How are [[Laura Roslin]], Hera, [[Sharon Agathon]], and [[Caprica Six]] spiritually connected, and what is the nature of said connection?
* Was Baltar also experiencing the visions of the [[Opera House]], or was that Caprica Six's internal Baltar?
* What convinces Laura Roslin to take the [[Doloxan]] treatments she refused earlier?

==== Cylons & The Final Five ====

* Is [[Saul Tigh]] the oldest [[humanoid Cylon]] model?
* Why does [[Caprica Six]] feel the need to protect [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] with her life?
* Did the Six (in "[[Torn]]") say that the [[Final Five]] are "complicated" because they aren't just "deeper" cover agents but rebels or otherwise outcasts from Cylon society? Or are she and the known 7 the outcasts?
* Do the Final Five have the same physiology as the other seven, such as their innate immunology, the ability to interface with computer equipment via [[Cylon data port|optical link]] or [[data-font]]?
* Given the small number of survivors from the Colonies, were the members of the Final Five preprogrammed in order to facilitate their escape with the Fleet?
* Did other copies of the newly-revealed Cylons exist in the Colonies? Do other copies exist anywhere else in the universe, or are the ones aboard ''Galactica'' the only versions?

* Which of the final five Cylons did [[Number Three]] ask for forgiveness from in the [[Temple of Five]]?
* Do the Final Five have the same ability to resurrect as the Significant Seven? If so, how? If not, why? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion|partial answer]])

== Official Statements ==

===Notes from the podcast===

*Anders was originally supposed to take over Thrace's bunkbed, locker, and possessions. This was to highlight the strong pull that Anders feels towards her, even after her death. This was also meant to indirectly cause the audience to wonder what the connection between Thrace and Anders is, now that it is revealed that he is a Cylon.
*After Jamie Bamber (Apollo) delivered his character's courtroom speech for the first take, the entire cast (who were sitting in the stands) and crew gave him a standing ovation.
*Gaeta's perjury was originally discovered in the initial drafts of the show, though it was never filmed. Lampkin was able to find evidence that at the time Baltar signed the death warrant, Gaeta was away doing a dead drop for the Resistance.
*When the power in the Fleet goes down, Baltar was originally filmed being chased down by people from the courtroom who intended to murder him with knives. Due to time constraints, the chase part was cut out and only the encounter of his women followers who save him remains in the final version.
*There was another version of how Apollo encounters Starbuck in the final scene. When Apollo enters his quarters to grab his flight suit, as he turns around he was supposed to see Starbuck standing in front of him as she says "Hi, Lee." Moore changed his mind because he felt that it would imply that it was a supernatural event. The scene is included as [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)|deleted scene]] on the Region 1 DVDs.
*During the final weeks of production for this episode, fake pages and false information was purposely leaked out to maintain the secrecy of the final scenes of the Final Four and Starbuck's reappearance. This practice will probably continue as the series draws closer to its conclusion.
*The Final Five Cylons, as stated by Moore, are essentially different from the Significant Seven Cylons. Thus, all the rules and observations made about the Significant Seven cannot necessarily be applied to the Final Five.
*When the cast and crew discovered that Starbuck was to be killed in "Maelstrom", the atmosphere on the set reached a state of near mutiny. Eventually Moore and Eick had to reveal the secret of Starbuck's return to the cast and key crew members to calm people down.
*The TV network was willing to pay the royalties of the Hendrix version of "All Along the Watchtower", but Ron Moore wanted the song to be a cover to prove that there was a connection between the BSG universe and Earth's.
*Lines from "All Along the Watchtower" were purposely sprinkled throughout the dialog before the final revelation of the Final Four.

=== Other information ===

* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] discusses the finale:''
: It is a different finale in the sense that the previous ones have been about fragmenting the characters and spreading them all over different parts of space, and this one, everyone is really on board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Every major character is on ''Galactica'', and the stuff going on down on ''Galactica'' is where the drama is.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting=%7BAC4FC1D4-115F-457C-8E4A-01A539D77D39%7D|title=''Galactica'''s Jamie Bamber Visits a Heavenly ''Ghost''|date=2007-02-23|accessdate=2007-02-23|last=Cohn|first=Angel|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''[[Edward James Olmos]] discusses the finale:''
: Yeah, it's pretty intense. You start to realize that you really don't know very much about everybody. I'm very happy, though, about the way that Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] handles his realization [that he's [[Final Five|a Cylon]]]. I think he would rather kill himself than do anything against a human. He doesn't realize that he has no choice. Once you're a Cylon, you're a Cylon, period. [Laughs] Except that [[Sharon Agathon|Boomer's character]] has been able to cross over.<ref name="ew ejo">{{cite_web|url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036782_20037403_20015932_2,00.html|title=Four-ward, Cylons: EDWARD JAMES OLMOS|date=|accessdate=31 May 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''Olmos discusses [[Kara Thrace]]'s reappearance:''
: Well, for me, for [[William Adama|[Bill] Adama]], [[Kara Thrace|she]]'s [[Maelstrom|gone]]. For Adama, it's over. For us looking at the [show] and how it's unfolding, there's still a possibility [Starbuck is alive], but for Adama there's no possibility. I haven't seen her; they don't even explain what [[Lee Adama|[Apollo]]] is seeing. Just like [[Virtual Six|Number Six]] materializes to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], we don't know what that is. What is she? Is she [Apollo's] Number Six? Is she only going to be seen by him?<ref name="ew ejo"/>
* ''[[Rekha Sharma]] discusses how she found out about her character, [[Tory Foster]], being a [[Final Five|Cylon]]:''
:Actually, I first found out because of [[Edward James Olmos|Eddie [James Olmos]]]. He kept asking me if I had read the new scripts and he kept smiling and laughing and telling me to "get ready" - It drove me nuts, so I went ahead and read some early outlines - they didn't spell it out, but it sure seemed like I was going to be a Cylon. I got so excited, and then I had to calm myself down, because you know they can change anything at any moment. It wasn't until we were actually shooting the season finale that I got the official word from [[Michael Rymer]].<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/rekha_sharma_01.htm|title=Rekha Sharma interview by The Scifi World|date=May 16, 2007|accessdate=26 May 2007|last=Nuytens|first=Gilles|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''[[Michael Rymer]] discusses the [[Final Five]]:''
: There are always a number of things that I rail against, usually to little effect. One was making [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] a [[humanoid Cylon|[C]ylon]] - as brilliant as it is, we now have a Cylon who is either a clone, or we have a Cylon who has aged like a normal person. I have no idea how [[Ronald Moore|Ron [Moore]]] deals with that - I'm sure I'll be blown away as usual. The others make sense to me because they don't have history on Caprica. [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s already [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|had fantasies]] of being a Cylon. He's also imagined killing himself which echoes [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon]]'s [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|attempted suicide]] in [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season 1]]. <ref name="rymer">{{cite_web|url=http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/michael_rymer_01.htm|title=Michael Rymer interview at The Scifi World|date=5 May 2007|accessdate=29 May 2007|last=Nuytens|first=Gilles|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''Rymer discusses the scene where the four of the Final Five come together:''
: Shooting the Cylon material was great fun. The audience guesses pretty quickly what's going on, but we played it very simply - what would you do if you kept hearing [[The Music|this song]] no one else could hear? For me its not the reveal to the audience, its when the characters reveal it to themselves in the gym - I love that scene. [[David Weddle|David [Weddle]]] and [[Bradley Thompson|Bradley [Thompson]]]<ref>This may be an error on Rymer's part, as [[Mark Verheiden]] is credited for writing the episode, although they may have had some input on this scene.</ref> didn't short-change anything, particularly in that scene - so often, the time constraints make it hard to pull off "big ideas". I think this time we got it right.<ref name="rymer"/>
* ''Rymer discusses his like for the two parter:''
: I think my favorite show(s) were the last two: Crossroads, Part 1 and 2. I really enjoyed the writing: the courtroom scenes, the four cylons, the shared visions: I thought it was everything we do well, none of the fat. For me, its about performance, so I have more fun working with actors letting them try stuff and play - I've had a good day when something exciting happened - something beyond my expectations. That's when I get to be an audience member, and be surprised by something brilliant and talented one of the actors has found. The least fun is the action stuff because it takes a lot of time and you have to be careful - and its hard for us because we don't really have the resources to make these things everything they could be.<ref name="rymer"/>
* ''[[Ronald D. Moore]] discusses cast member's initial reactions to the Final Five revelations:''
: [[Michael Hogan|Michael [Hogan]]] went [nonchalantly] ''Wow. Okay. Very shocking. Shocking stuff.'' [Chuckles] He talked about it a little bit, wanted to understand it, but he liked it from the get-go and was very, very supportive of it. They all were pretty intrigued by it. I think [[Aaron Douglas|Aaron [Douglas]], who plays Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]] was the most hesitant. ''Are you sure? I want to make sure we're not losing something.'' I had to talk with Aaron a little bit longer than the others.
: [...]
: His chief objection — no pun intended — was that he's the common man in a lot of ways, the blue-collar guy, the salt-of-the-Earth character. And he was concerned that we would turn him into a master villain or something. I said, ''No, no, no, you are still going to be Tyrol.'' He doesn't even know why he's a Cylon, or what it means. It's a process of discovery for him, and trying to figure out what it means for him as a character. As it is for all four of them.<ref name="ew rdm">{{cite_web|url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036782_20037403_20015932_2,00.html|title=Four-ward, Cylons: RONALD D MOORE|date=|accessdate=31 May 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''Moore discusses using "All Along the Watchtower" in the episode:''
: I had always had this idea of using [[The Music|that particular song]] in the show as a marker that there were other things going on here. There was this idea developed early in the series, that one of the [[Sacred Scrolls|Colonial scriptures]] says, ''All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again,'' that certain elements and situations and even people repeat in a cycle of destruction and rebirth and exodus and chase, etc. One of the ideas I wanted to play was, okay, if you found a song that we, the audience, recognize, you realize that you have a connection to this world too, and suddenly other pieces start to fit. Well, why ''do'' they wear suits and ties? Why do they look so much like us? What is the connection between them and us? It would put in stark relief the idea that there is a connection between the people on ''Gala[c]tica'' and our experience on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].<ref name="ew rdm"/>
* ''Moore discusses his thoughts on the fan reaction to the revelation of the Final Five:''
: I think it was probably what we anticipated. I sort of took as a guidepost the way people reacted to [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|the season two finale]]. When we made the jump ahead, the year ahead jump and then put them all down on [[New Caprica|the planet]], people were ecstatic and people were outraged. There wasn't a lot of middle ground. I kind of felt like, "Well, that's what they're going to do when we reveal the Cylons." And that's pretty much what happened.<ref name="crave">{{cite_web|url=http://www.craveonline.com/filmtv/articles/04648062/battlestar_galactica_ronald_moore_talks_about_earth.html|title=Battlestar Galactica: Ronald Moore talks about Earth|date=13 June 2007|accessdate=15 June 2007|last=Topel|first=Fred|format=|language=}}</ref>
* Bear McCreary discusses the use of the [[w:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan]] song:
: ''I learned that the idea was not that Bob Dylan necessarily exists in the characters' universe, but that an artist on one of the colonies may have recorded a song with the exact same melody and lyrics. Perhaps this unknown performer and Dylan pulled inspiration from a common, ethereal source.''<ref>Bear McCreary's blog, {{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm|title="Crossroads, Pt. II"|date=2007-03-25|accessdate=2007-03-27}}</ref>

* ''[[Mark Sheppard]] discusses [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial and the question of "being [[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s conscience":''
: '''Mark Sheppard:''' Nah, I’m not Apollo’s conscience. I don’t think I have anything to do with Apollo’s conscience. No… but I like the fact that people have different opinions about where [[Romo Lampkin|Romo [Lampkin]]] is, and I think it’s kind of a brilliant thing about him is that – all you gotta remember is that his rules are different than anybody else’s. And I think the easiest way to remember it is – it’s the result that counts. It’s not the methodology by which one achieves the result. And if you look at Lee and Admiral [[William Adama|[William] Adama]] and the President [[Laura Roslin|[Laura Roslin]]] – it’s all about the methodology. It’s agonizing about whether they’re doing the right thing while they’re doing it. And with Romo it’s like – fuck it, just do it. What you need to do is achieve justice.

: I mean, that’s the point. Is justice achieved at the end of “Crossroads, Part 2”? I think so. I think that’s the point. I think there should be no other outcome to the trial. And I think that is Romo’s job – by any means necessary.

: You know, I think [[Jamie Bamber|Jamie [Bamber]]] put it best in that lovely piece of writing and a lovely piece of acting with that section – I don’t know where the writing ends and the acting begins in that speech he has, but there’s a lovely piece where he says basically we’re a gang. Jamie was always talking about -- these are rules for 51 billion people. This is a system for 51 billion people. This isn’t the system for the 40,000 people that are left. It’s not. It’s a completely different thing. You can’t run this type of system with a very quickly disintegrating human race. It needs to be looked at in a different way. The pomp and circumstance are there, and they’re all very caught up in the methodology.

: And that’s the point. That’s why Romo wins. They’re all caught up in the romanticism of the trial. And it’s quite right. They want to throw [Baltar] out of the airlock so they can move on. That’s the point. And he didn’t do it. He didn’t do what they accused him of doing. He did do an awful lot of things, I mean, we know as viewers of the show – forget about what Romo knows. That’s a separate issue as well. But as viewers of the show, we know that he did something that we would all be guilty if we did it. …isn’t it?<ref name="mark-buddytv">{{cite_web|url=http://www.buddytv.com/articles/battlestar-galactica/exclusive-interview-mark-shepp-7849.aspx|title=Buddytv.com Exclusive Interview: Mark Sheppard, from 'Battlestar Galactica'|date=3 July 2007|accessdate=13 August 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

* ''Jamie Bamber on his monologue in the courtroom:''
: [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] always has these great one-liners, so when I got six pages and six minutes of monologue on the courtroom stand I thought, well that's my version of a one-liner. It was definitely that tricky, tricky sort of scene of trying to work out what Lee's doing in that courtroom, and why he's there and why he's defending this man and it's sort of...

:My character is more interesting when you put him in corners that he doesn't expect to find himself in...and to see how he justifies it and how he maintains his path through that...that was a real challenge. We had to work on just the content of what that was about. I love that. I love working with Michael [Rymer], that was fantastic.<ref name="acedmag">{{cite_web|url=http://acedmagazine.com/content/view/677/1/|title=ACED Magazine: Battlestar Galactica: Cast Interviews|date=24 November 2007|accessdate=25 November 2007|last=Bensoussan|first=Jenna|format=|language=}}</ref>

*Ron Moore has confirmed in [http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm this] interview that Tyrol, Tigh, Tory, and Anders are indeed Cylons and members of the Final Five. When asked whether Starbuck was real or a hallucination, he did not provide a conclusive answer. Also in that interview he states that Tigh "fought in two wars."
*In [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0 20 Answers] Ron Moore states that the issues regarding Tigh's service in the first Cylon War has a complex rationale already built out from "a lot of time and effort," strongly implying that it is not simply a false memory.
*In an interview with [http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1556508/20070405/story.jhtml VH1], Ron Moore confirmed Starbuck isn't a hallucination like Head Six or Head Baltar.
* In an interview with [http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=4d1c0568-6fee-467a-8d81-1d360d808ac3 E! online] on March 26th, Ron Moore confirmed that Katee Sackhoff will be back for Season Four.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* {{audio|320 lazy ass out of that rack.mp3|''Laura Roslin and William Adama talk on the phone, while Adama is shaving:''}}
: '''Laura Roslin:''' Yell at me. I don't want to get out of bed.
: '''William Adama:''' Well, you called the wrong number, I was just thinking of going back to bed.
: '''Roslin:''' You feelin' OK?
: '''Adama:''' ... says the cancer patient. (Roslin chuckles) Yeah, I'm fine. I just cut myself. How're you doing?
: '''Roslin:''' I don't want to face them. I don't want to face any of them. I just want to stay in bed all day and sleep.
: '''Adama:''' (about the cut) I think I stopped the bleeding. If you still need to be yelled at, I think I can give you some volume.
: '''Roslin:''' Good. All right, give it your best shot.
: '''Adama:''' Get out of that bed!
: '''Roslin:''' That's not your best shot.
: '''Adama:''' '''''Get your fat, lazy ass out of that rack, Roslin.'''''
: '''Roslin:''' (giggly) Yes sir. OK sir. Anything you say sir. (beat) Thank you.
: '''Adama:''' Don't let them see you sweat, Laura.

* {{audio|320 butterfingers.mp3|''Lt. Felix Gaeta has just committed perjury on whether Baltar was forced to sign the order of execution or not. Prosecutor Cassidy puts the document Baltar signed in evidence and on the defense table in front of Baltar:''}}
: '''Gaius Baltar:''' Get that out of my face before I....! (He grabs the document on the table and crumples it slightly and flings it away.)
: '''Lee Adama:''' Gaius, Gaius, we'll get him in the cross.
: '''Judge Franks''': Counselor, will you control your client!
: '''Baltar (to the judge):''' Look, it's no secret....
: '''Romo Lampkin:''' Quiet!
: '''Baltar:''' ...the whole Fleet knows that this man tried to stab me through the neck... (to Gaeta) ...And you missed! Butterfingers!

*''Prior to the clarification of what [[The Music|the song]] is, two of the four Cylons ([[Saul Tigh]] and [[Samuel Anders]]) each speak a line of the lyrics in conversational context:''
:*''While Anders is supposed to be learning about Raptor flight systems during a pilot training session, he catches Chief Tyrol humming the tune and asks him about it.''
::'''Anders''': That song you're hummin'. What is that?
::'''Tyrol''': Oh, uh. Ah you know I don't even know, it's just something I can't get outta my head. '''Some way outta here'''.
:* {{audio|320 no reason to get excited.mp3|''When Racetrack, who is the training officer, sees Anders off talking to the Chief:''}}
:: '''Racetrack''': Yo, Anders! Do you need a frakking invitation? Move it!
:: '''Anders''': Alright. '''No reason to get excited.'''
:* {{audio|320 too much confusion.mp3|''Tigh and William Adama discuss the music Tigh hears:''}}
:: '''Saul Tigh''': You'll look into it? You'll look into it? I am here telling you there is Cylon sabotage aboard our ship.
:: '''William Adama''': Sabotage? With music?
:: '''Saul Tigh''': I know, I know. I can't quite understand it myself. '''There's too much confusion'''.

*{{audio|320 lee on justice.mp3|''Lee Adama taking the witness stand:''}}
:'''[[Lee Adama]]''': Did the defendant make mistakes? Sure. He did. Serious mistakes. But did he actually commit any crimes? Did he commit treason? No. I mean, it was an impossible situation. When the Cylons arrived, what could he possibly do? What could anyone have done? (looking at the audience) Ask yourself, what would you have done? (looking at the judges) What would you have done? If he had refused to surrender, the Cylons would have probably nuked the planet right then and there. So did he appear to cooperate with the Cylons? Sure. So did hundreds of others. What's the difference between him and them? The President issued a blanket pardon. They were all forgiven, no questions asked. Colonel Tigh. Colonel Tigh [[Occupation|used suicide bombers]], killed dozens of people. Forgiven. Lieutenant Agathon and Chief Tyrol. They [[Pegasus (episode)|murdered]] an officer on the ''Pegasus''. Forgiven. The Admiral. The Admiral [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|instigated a military coup d'état]] against the President. Forgiven. And me? Well, where do I begin? I [[33|shot down]] a civilian passenger ship, the ''Olympic Carrier''. Over a thousand people on board. Forgiven. I [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|raised my weapon]] to a superior officer, [[Resistance (episode)|committed an act of mutiny]]. Forgiven. And then on the very day when Baltar surrendered to those Cylons, I as commander of ''Pegasus'' [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|jumped away]]. I left everybody on that planet, alone, undefended, for months. I even tried to persuade the Admiral never to return, to abandon you all there for good. If I'd had my way nobody would have made it off that planet. I'm the coward. I'm the traitor. I'm forgiven. I'd say we are very forgiving of mistakes. We make our own laws now; our own justice. And we've been pretty creative in finding ways to let people off the hook for everything from theft to murder. And we've had to be, because...because we're not a civilization anymore. We are a gang, and we are on the run, and we have to fight to survive. We have to break rules. We have to bend laws. We have to improvise. But not this time, no. Not this time. Not for Gaius Baltar. (looking at Baltar) No, you...you have to die, because, well, because we don't like you very much. Because you're arrogant. Because you're weak. Because you're a coward, and we, the mob, want to throw you out of the airlock, because you didn't stand up to the Cylons and get yourself killed in the process. That's justice now. You should have been killed back on New Caprica, but since you had the temerity to live, we're going to execute you now. That's justice. [...] This case...this case is built on emotion, on anger, bitterness, vengeance. But most of all, it is built on shame. (looking at his father) It's about the shame of what we did to ourselves back on that planet. It's about the guilt of those of us who ran away. Who ran away. And we're trying to dump all that guilt and all that shame on one man and then flush him out the airlock, and hope that just gets rid of it all. So that we could live with ourselves. But that won't work. That won't work. That's not justice; not to me. Not to me.

*''[[Doyle Franks|Captain Doyle Franks]]' pretext of the reading of [[Gaius Baltar]]'s verdict''
: '''Doyle Franks''': Like everything human, justice is imperfect. It's flawed. But it's those very imperfections that separates us from the machines, and maybe even makes us a species worth saving.

* {{audio|320 that's the man I'll be.mp3|''Saul Tigh, Tory Foster, Samuel Anders and Galen Tyrol decide what to do now they know they're Cylons:''}}
: '''Felix Gaeta''': (over the intercom) Inbound Cylon fleet. I repeat. Action stations, action stations. Set condition one throughout the ship. This is not a drill.
: '''Tory Foster''': My Gods, what are we going do?
: '''Saul Tigh''': The ship is under attack, we do our jobs. Report to your stations.
: '''Galen Tyrol''': Report to stations?
: '''Saul Tigh''': My name is Saul Tigh, I am an officer in the Colonial Fleet. Whatever else I am, whatever else it means, that's the man I want to be. And if I die today, that's the man I'll be.

* {{audio|320 kara's been to earth.mp3|''Starbuck pulls alongside Apollo in her undamaged Viper:''}}
: '''Kara Thrace''': Hi, Lee.
: '''Lee Adama''': (his eyes widen in disbelief) Kara?
: '''Thrace''': Don't freak out, it really is me (laughs). It's going to be okay. I've been to Earth. I know where it is. And I'm going to take us there.

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as [[Dr. Cottle]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Chelah Horsdal]] as [[Cassidy]]
*[[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Jen Halley]] as [[Diana Seelix]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as [[Louis Hoshi]]
*[[Alison Matthews]] as [[Karen Fallbrook|Fallbrook]]
*[[Susan Hogan]] as [[Doyle Franks]]
*[[Stephen Holmes]] as [[Trial Reporter|Reporter #2]]
*[[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]] (credited as "Young Woman")
*[[William Samples]] as Captain [[Jules Tarney]] (credited as Judge #2)
*[[Lily Duong-Walton]] as [[Hera Agathon]] (uncredited)

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Talk:Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)/Archive 1

2009-01-19T00:55:40Z

Bradtem: /* Early Generation Cylons */

== Was there ever actually a thirteenth tribe? ==

I believe the existence of the thirteenth tribe is unfounded speculation. Now how can I say this when it is regularly referred to in the show? The show does not show a thirteenth tribe. Rather it shows people who talk about an ancient legend of a thirteenth tribe. I made some minor edits in the past to try to make it more ambiguous but the truth is this article still describes the thirteenth tribe as though it is a real tribe seen in the show, and it isn't. It's a myth from the scrolls, which may or may not turn out to be real.

As most fans know, there is much controversy over whether Earth was colonized by Kobol's thirteenth tribe as the scrolls say, or Kobol was colonized by Earth. I don't want to try to resolve or speculate on that controversy in the main page, though I certainly have [http://ideas.4brad.com/earth-bsg my own arguments, which I believe are fairly convincing]. I believe that this article, and a few related ones, currently speculate on the controversy, but in the "trust the myths" direction. There are hints scattered through the articles about the uncertainty regarding the legend, I would like to consolidate it, perhaps by gathering the material from the scrolls in a section marked "As told in the sacred scrolls" with another section for relevant notes and facts outside the scrolls from canon/etc.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:22, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
:The article says "according to Elosha", "according to the Scriptures" or "apparently" pretty much every time. That's enough for me. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:26, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

== Athena's Death ==

This article says that Athena killed herself, her death is an assumption since all that we know is what Boomer tells us...

Boomer: I'm putting together a lot of pieces from a lot of sources beyond your scriptures. If I'm right, that's the spot where your god supposedly stood and watched Athena throw herself down onto the rocks below out of despair over the exodus of the 13 tribes.

It doesn't say that she died.--[[User:Swozie|Swozie]] 11:36, 7 January 2008 (CST)

:Then just add the "supposedly" in the text and all is good (I'll do so, but I think the entry paragraph also needs to be changed, and am currently thinking about that). Something like "reportedly" or "allegedly" also works will with things that are told second-hand :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:39, 7 January 2008 (CST)

::I'm pretty sure "threw herself to the rocks" does mean death, y'know. [[User:OTW|OTW]]
:::Yeah. Depends on if he takes issue with the wording (which is clear though), or that it's just scriptures that might not be true. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:07, 7 January 2008 (CST)

I think that whatever the show states has to be considered true, its true that the show states it, that doesn't mean it's true within the BSG universe itsself but I don't think this site can be concerned with that since we can't possibly know. Athena killing herself isn't true because the show doesn't state it, its just presumed (and probably correctly presumed) but adding the word "presumed" would mean that there is no chance that what you are stating can possibly be wrong which only adds to the validity of information on this site. Besides if Athena is a god then presumably she can't die.
--[[User:Swozie|Swozie]] 14:05, 7 January 2008 (CST)

== The Eye of Jupiter ==

This article states that "The Eye of Jupiter is, in fact, the image created by the planet's dying sun"

In fact the Eye Of Jupiter is either the emblem on the floor of the Temple on which D'Anna stood OR the nova or perhaps both.

[Chip Six appears, indicating the obvious Eye symbol on the floor.]
Chip Six: There it is, Gaius. It has the answers to all of your questions.
Baltar: That's the Eye?

Chief: Major, look. It's the mandala from the Temple. This is supposed to be happening. That's it. I was staring at it the whole time. The sun is going nova. The nova is the Eye of Jupiter.

However Roslin believes that the Eye is inside the temple

Roslin: Admiral, if the Eye of Jupiter is somewhere in that temple, and it really is a marker on the way to Earth… We can't let the Cylons get their hands on it. --[[User:Swozie|Swozie]] 13:57, 7 January 2008 (CST)
:According to those episodes, the Thirteenth Tribe saw a nova in the Ionian system and drew that nova in the temple. This would make the nova the 'original' Eye, and the symbol in the temple a depiction of it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:20, 8 January 2008 (CST)

perhaps, the scriptures say it was left in the temple...

Episode 311

Roslin: I don't know, Lee. I've looked at the Scriptures, and they make reference to the Eye being left in some sort of temple. But there's no physical description.--[[User:Swozie|Swozie]] 16:25, 8 January 2008 (CST)

== Early Generation Cylons ==

Saying "Early Generation", makes it sound like the 13th tribe were Model 005 (or more primitive).
: True, but we don't really have enough to come up with a name for them. We could call them Earth Cylons, but they actually originated on Kobol, and their type of Cylon may be in other places too. All we know right now is that they are an earlier generation of humanoid cylons. We don't even know they are the first generation, since the Temple of Five dates back 4,000 years. The Final Five may be yet another generation. For example, Ellen has set up a download, and the way she says it suggests the other Cylons on the planet don't have that.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 23:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::How about "Ancient Cylons"? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 00:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We don't know yet. There might be even older Cylons. I suspect there are. All this has happened before. Who are the Lords of Kobol, after all, and the five priests? Let's find out--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Cylons (RDM)

2009-01-19T00:00:53Z

Bradtem: Many kinds of cylons

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''This article discusses the Cylons of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the Cylons of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see [[Cylons (TOS)]].''<br>
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::''The Cylons were created by Man. ''
::''They were created to make life easier on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. ''
::''And then the day came when the Cylons decided to kill their masters. ''
::''After a [[Cylon War|long and bloody struggle]], an [[Cimtar (RDM)|armistice was declared]]. ''
::''The Cylons left for another world to call their own. ''
::''A [[Armistice Station|remote space station]] was built... ''
::''Where Cylon and human could meet and maintain diplomatic relations. ''
::''Every year, the Colonials send an officer... ''
::''The Cylons send no one. ''
::''No-one has seen or heard from the Cylons in over forty years... ''

:::---Opening text of the ''Battlestar Galactica'' [[Miniseries]]
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In the [[Re-imagined Series]], the robots known as the '''Cylons''' are a ''creation'' of the humanity. The [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] mistakenly believed they were the first to create them.
The first Cylons were sentient<ref>This is noted by [[William Adama]] to his son [[Lee Adama|Lee]] in the episode "[[Exodus, Part I]]".</ref> bipedal robots used primarily for dangerous work such as mining. Created long before the [[Articles of Colonization]] united the twelve sovereign governments, the Cylons were also used as soldiers to fight inter-colony wars.

Over the span of the re-imagined series, the term "Cylon" comes to refer to many types of artificial intelligent beings, be they robotic or biological.

For reasons unknown<ref>The planned spinoff series ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' may have the answer to this question.</ref>, some 52 years prior to the decommissioning of the Colonial battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'',<ref>[[Miniseries, Night 1]]. See also ''[[Galactica Museum]]''.</ref> the Cylons revolted against their masters, resulting in a [[Cylon War|costly and protracted twelve-year war]] between the machines and humans. Both Cylon and human took heavy tolls as Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]], Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]], [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Viper Mark II|Vipers]] clashed in many battles, with the Colonial offensive [[Operation Raptor Talon]] as the last battle.<ref>This battle is seen in a series of deleted scenes from the special episode "[[Razor]]" and the ''[[Razor Flashback]]'' webisodes.</ref>

Eventually, the two sides declared an armistice.<ref>The armistice begins immediately as the events of [[Operation Raptor Talon]] conclude, as shown in episode 7 of the [[Razor Flashbacks]].</ref> The Cylons become exiled from the Colonies to establish [[Cylon homeworld|their own homeworld]].

The unified worlds of the Colonies created a [[Armistice Station|space station]] for maintaining diplomatic relations. However, the Cylons ignored this overture.
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The Cylon hatred and envy of humanity ran deep within their programming.

In their exile, the Cylons continued in secret to work towards the destruction of the human race, devising an elaborate plan to wipe out the Twelve Colonies through nuclear bombardment, [[CNP|computer sabotage]], [[Caprica Six|infiltration]] and vast numbers of [[Basestar (RDM)|modernized battleships]].

In addition to a [[Cylon Centurion|modernized version]] of the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon warrior]], the cybernetic race now also exists in a [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid form]]<ref>Episode 5 of the [[Razor Flashbacks]] strongly suggests that the Cylon project to transform themselves from the mechanical to the [[Humanoid Cylon|biological]] was already taking place at the time of the armistice, suggesting that the Cylons may have agreed to an armistice to keep their secret from being revealed.</ref> used as the prime infiltrators in Colonial society. The humanoid Cylons can express joy, love, anger, and sadness, expressing genuine human behavior in almost every way.

The Cylons return forty years after their exile in a genocidal surprise attack. The Cylons annihilate the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] and billions of people, [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|killing all but approximately 52,000 humans]].<ref>This number includes the approximately 50,000 survivors of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] as well as the survivors aboard ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', which finds ''Galactica'' in season two of the Re-imagined Series.</ref> These survivors are [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|pursued]] by the Cylons, initially guarded only by a lone battlestar, ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

In addition to the Cylons created by the colonies, an earlier generation of Cylons colonized the [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. With them there was also a distinct model of robotic Cylon, or which only the buried helmet has been seen. The [[Final Five]] Cylons also lived on Earth, and may be yet another kind.
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This article attempts to plot the events illustrated or mentioned in the history and prehistory of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

All dates use the day of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as the central time marker for all events in the series. Items that occur before the Fall are marked as "BCH", or "Before Cylon holocaust". Given the few and somewhat contradictory dates about the Colonials' ancient history and the exodus from Kobol, that part of the timeline is speculative.

==Ancient History==
*'''Over 17,000 years BCH:''' A supernova creates the [[Ionian nebula]]
*'''ca. 4,000 years BCH:''' The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], a group of earlier generation Cylons, reportedly leaves [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and builds the [[Temple of Five]] on [[Algae planet|another planet]] <ref name="kobol">Tyrol says that "Our initial radiocarbon dating suggests that the temple's at least 4,000 years old, which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe." ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). This is the oldest date noted in the series's timeline, but also conflicts with the prior date of Pythia and her works as described by [[Elosha]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", where she states that the exodus of '''all 13 tribes''' occurred approximately 2,000 years ago.</ref>
*'''ca. 3,600 years BCH:''' [[Pythia]] records her prophecies. Aside from reports of the landing on Earth and drawings of temples there, this book describes "the exile and rebirth of the human race" and a "dying leader" not making it to a "promised land," though how long before her writings that such events took place is not revealed.
*'''ca. 3,000 years BCH:''' A [[Lion's Head beacon|beacon]] is left at the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], later marking the way to Earth. At some undated point, someone travels from [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] to Kobol, passing on information about Earth, including a map of its night sky <ref>Adama says that "According to Cottle, the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] was an exact match to one reported over 3000 years ago, right around the time that the 13th colony left Kobol." ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). This contradicts the two other dates of 2,000 and 4,000 years. While the dating uncertain, it is the only clue to the beacon's age. That someone traveled back to Kobol is speculation, but an explanation for how Earth's sky could be displayed there. If true, it is still unknown on which of these two voyages the beacon was left behind.</ref>
*'''ca. 2,000 years BCH:'''
**The remaining Twelve Tribes leave Kobol <ref name="kobol"/>
**Lord of Kobol "Athena" kills herself in despair over this. A [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] is built for her containing a 3-D projection showing Earth and its Zodiac. The projection is activated by the Arrow of Apollo, which travels with the twelve tribes.
**Earth is left a nuclear wasteland. Copies of the Final Five die in a nuclear attack, though they have plans to be "born again."
*'''2,000 years to 52 years BCH:''' The Twelve Colonies grow and prosper. Each colony acts as a sovereign nation, complete with inter-colonial wars

==Recent Colonial History==
*'''At least 200 years BCH:''' Humans develop an immunity to the virus causing [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]] ([[A Measure of Salvation]]) <ref>Doctor Cottle notes the time as "a couple hundred years ago", which is an indeterminate amount of time, but likely less than four or five hundred years.</ref>
*'''69 years BCH:''' [[Saul Tigh]] born (defined by deleted scene in "[[Valley of Darkness]]" concerning the ''[[Brenik]]'') (He has [[Crossroads, Part II|recently]] been revealed as a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], presumably making his birth questionable.)
*'''64 years BCH:''' [[William Adama]] born in [[Qualai]], [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Hero]])
*'''55 - 52 years BCH:''' Somewhere during this time, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] are built to aid in hard labor and warfare ([[Miniseries]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' Cylon revolt starts the first [[Cylon War]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*'''52 years BCH:''' [[Articles of Colonization]] signed ([[Colonial Day]], [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005])
*'''51 years BCH:''' Colonial ship ''[[Brenik]]'' is lost after a boarding action by [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]] ([[Valley of Darkness]], deleted scene)
*'''ca. 50 years BCH:''' Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' enters service
*'''42 years BCH:''' William Adama begins his service in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot, near the end of the Cylon War ("Hero", [[Razor Flashbacks]])
*'''40 years BCH:'''
**[[Operation Raptor Talon]] conducted by the Colonial Fleet. Battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' destroyed (Razor Flashbacks)
**Armistice ends the [[Cylon War]]. Cylons exile themselves from the Twelve Colonies (Miniseries)
**William Adama mustered out of the Colonial Fleet ("[[Scattered]]", [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]])
*'''37 BCH:''' William Adama enlists as merchant marine and serves aboard inter-colony freighters ("Scattered", Adama's dossier)
*'''ca. 28 BCH:'''
** [[Galen Tyrol]] born <ref>At the time of the Cylon attack, Tyrol has "ten years experience" ([[Miniseries]]), and has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This puts his birth in approximately 28 BCH, allowing for a few years leeway with the first comment.</ref> (His revelation as a Cylon calls this date into question.)
** First meeting between William Adama and Saul Tigh ("Scattered", "[[Torn]]") <ref>The podcast for "[[Scattered]]" places their meeting "twenty years ago". In "[[Torn]]", Adama states that he has known Tigh for 30 years. Furthermore, [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his reinstatement into the Colonial Fleet at 23 BCH. ''Battlestar Wiki'' choses to use the more consistent dates.</ref>
*'''ca. 27 BCH:''' William and [[Carolanne Adama]] meet and marry <ref name = "leezak">This date is assumed as follows: Zak died 2 BCH. Since he graduated from some kind of military academy, he would at least 22 years old, following real world models. On a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] of William Adama with his sons, Lee seems to be about two years older than Zak. Adama and his wife probably met not long before Lee's birth.</ref>
*'''ca. 26 BCH:''' [[Lee Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''ca. 24 BCH:''' [[Zak Adama]] born <ref name = "leezak"/>
*'''23 years BCH:''' William Adama reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain and is assigned to the battlestar ''[[Universal]]'' <ref>[[:Image:William Adama's Reinstatement Letter.jpg|This information comes from a prop used in the episode "Scattered".]]</ref> ("Scattered" deleted scene, Adama's dossier)
*'''21 years BCH:''' Saul Tigh reinstated in the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain by now-Major Adama (Scattered) <ref>The time between Adama's and Tigh's reinstatement is not specified on screen. The February/March issue of ''Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine'' gives it as two years: "''Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service.''"</ref>
*'''20 years BCH:'''
**Last significant [[FTL]] jump recorded in ''Galactica's'' logs (Miniseries)
**[[Tom Zarek]] imprisoned for blowing up a government building on [[Sagittaron]] ([[Bastille Day]])
*'''17 BCH:''' William Adama assigned to the battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', where he makes his 1000th Viper landing (Adama's dossier, "[[Act of Contrition]]")
*'''13 years BCH:''' William Adama assigned as executive officer to the new battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' (Adama's dossier)
*'''11 years BCH:''' [[Laura Roslin]] begins her career in politics ([[Litmus]])
*'''ca. 10 years BCH:''' Galen Tyrol enlists in the Colonial Fleet as a non-commissioned officer (Miniseries)
*'''9 years BCH:''' William Adama promoted to commander and assigned as commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero")
*'''7 years BCH:''' Saul and [[Ellen Tigh]] marry ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]])
*'''6 years BCH:''' William Adama leads an aborted covert intelligence mission aboard ''Valkyrie''. [[Daniel Novacek]] is shot down and captured by the Cylons. Adama and Tigh are subsequently assigned to ''Galactica'' (Adama's dossier, "Hero") <ref name="hero">While dialogue from "[[Hero]]" places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error and change the date.</ref>
*'''5 years BCH:'''
**[[Laura Roslin]]'s last breast exam prior to her cancer diagnosis ([[Act of Contrition]])
**Galen Tyrol assigned to ''Galactica'' ([[Litmus]]) <ref>Since Adama states that Tyrol has been under his commander for "over five years", this might also be one year earlier.</ref>
*'''4 years BCH:'''
**[[Kara Thrace]] graduates from the Colonial Fleet Academy ([[Maelstrom]])
**[[Socrata Thrace]] dies of stomach cancer (Maelstrom)
*'''3 years BCH:''' [[Felix Gaeta]] assigned to ''Galactica'' (Miniseries)
*'''2 years BCH:'''
**[[Caprica Six]] begins residence on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]), first encounters Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] (Miniseries)
**[[Sharon Valerii]] begins service aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Farm]])
**Zak Adama dies in a flight school accident (Miniseries)
**Lt. [[Kara Thrace]] is re-assigned from flight school to ''Galactica'' ([[Act of Contrition]])
*'''1 Year BCH:'''
**Last time William and Carolanne Adama speak (Miniseries)
**Carolanne Adama gets engaged (Miniseries)
**[[Anastasia Dualla]] last visits her home ([[Final Cut]])

==Events of the [[Miniseries]]==
*'''Zero Hour:'''
**The [[Armistice Station]] is destroyed by [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces
**Laura Roslin is diagnosed with inoperable breast cancer
**''Galactica'' is decommissioned
**The [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] are heavily bombarded by nuclear bombs
**[[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] [[Fleet Headquarters]] is destroyed
**''Galactica's'' last [[Viper Mark VII]] squadron is destroyed
**A battle near [[Virgon (RDM)|Virgon]] ends with the total loss of the remaining Colonial Fleet including the flagship ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''
**The [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' luckily escapes the destruction of the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", "[[Razor]]")
**''Galactica'' engages [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s and survives with moderate damage and 85 dead
**Last transmission from the Colonies received by Laura Roslin aboard ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' from a [[Jack|fellow secretary]]
**[[Case Orange]] contingency mechanism assigns Roslin the office of the President of the Twelve Colonies
**Roslin gathers stranded civilian and military ships in the vicinity of [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]
**Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] assumes overall Fleet command and orders regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]
**Roslin's fleet survives two Cylon attacks and meets at Ragnar
**''Galactica'' changes from battle stance to civilian protection, and escorts the civilian fleet from Ragnar towards the [[Prolmar Sector]]

== Season 1 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 1 (RDM)]]''

== Season 2 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 2 (RDM)]]''

== Season 3 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 3 (RDM)]]''

== Season 4 ==

:''See [[Timeline - Season 4 (RDM)]]''

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Humanoid Cylon

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:''For information on the robotic Cylons of the [[Original Series]], see [[Cylons (TOS)]]. For information on a human-appearing Cylon from ''[[Galactica 1980]]'', see [[Andromus]].''

:''This article is capitalized for technical reasons. The correct term is "humanoid Cylon" and is not a proper noun.''

[[Image:CyAg.jpg|thumb|300px|Cylon copies of (from left) [[Number Six]] (two copies), [[Number Two]], and [[Number Five]] (two copies), at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]]]
'''Humanoid Cylons'''<ref>Viewers initially lacked an authentic term to call the humanoid Cylons during Season 1. Here on the ''Battlestar Wiki'', the [[BW:TERM|descriptive term]] "Humano-Cylon" was used for a time. Dialogue in several episodes throughout Season 2 has canonically established "Cylon agent" to refer specifically to Cylon infiltrators, but since [[Sharon Agathon]] works for the Colonials, ''Battlestar Wiki'''s preference is to use "humanoid Cylon" (which [[Tricia Helfer]] often uses in interviews, but apparently more for convenience than an official name). Some of the resistance fighters on Caprica refer to the humanoid Cylons as "skin jobs," an homage to ''[[Wikipedia:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]]''. William Adama refers to them as "humanoid models" in "[[Precipice]]".</ref> are the quintessential [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon form]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]]. These Cylons biologically mimic human form so completely that they are nearly undetectable to current Colonial technologies.

Humanoid Cylons have the capacity to emulate many human physical acts, including sex. They also display convincingly human personalities (affection, jealousy, sadness, anger, sense of humor, religious faith, etc.) This behavior continues even when interacting with other Cylons outside of Colonial scrutiny, clearly establishing that their personalities are genuine.

The humanoid Cylons are responsible for masterminding the complete destruction of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] through their use of sabotage and infiltration.

==Origins==

Following the end of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]), nothing was heard of the Cylons in 40 years.

[[Image:Season 3 Female Cylons.jpg|thumb|150px|Numbers [[Number Six|Six]], [[Number Three|Three]], and [[Number Eight|Eight]]]]
During their forty years of isolation, the Cylons developed or evolved into a ''humanoid form''<ref>The idea of Cylons in humanoid form in ''Battlestar Galactica'' is not new. This concept appeared over 25 years earlier in the episode "[[The Night the Cylons Landed, Part I|The Night the Cylons Landed]]" in the short-lived spinoff of the Original Series, ''[[Galactica 1980]]''. Unlike the humanoid Cylons, however, [[Andromus]] was an [[Wikipedia:Android|android]], akin to the character of [[MemoryAlpha:Data|Data]] from ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]''.</ref>.

The creation of the humanoid Cylon is left to speculation based on series events. While the opening credits claim that the Cylons "evolved", the concept of biological evolution (in the [[Wikipedia:Darwinism|Darwinian fashion]]) is impossible with mechanical beings. The "evolution" is obviously a planned architectural change from the mechanical to the biomechanical for the inherent Cylon design.

The first step in their evolution from pure machines to organic beings was known as the "[[First Hybrid|Hybrid]]." Other [[hybrid]]s were later created to control [[Basestar (RDM)|baseships]] ([[Razor]]). Exactly how the original Cylon, the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]], a sentient robot "evolved" to the humanoid form is uncertain.<ref>Information noted from the start of [[Miniseries]] (the existence of the [[Armistice Station]]) indicates that the original Cylons were not only sentient, but capable of intense emotion. [[William Adama]] confirms that the new robotic successor to the Model 0005 were built by the humanoid Cylons without sentience to avoid the possibility of the new [[Cylon Centurion]] from creating an overthrow attempt at their humanoid masters.</ref> Saul Tigh, a humanoid Cylon, has an apparent age that would place his birth (if he was born) well before the first Cylon War, and possibly even before the creation of the original mechanical Cylon. His military record documents his existence during the war. [[Number Three]]'s conversation with [[Number One]] immediately before she was [[boxing|boxed]] indicates that the humanoid Cylons do not know who programmed them or why.<ref>The final scene of "[[Rapture]]".</ref>

Series information shows that the humanoid Cylons existed in secret for at least two years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Colonies' destruction]]. This information does not provide concrete evidence as to when the first models were created or how long they have been among the human population. [[Final Five|Some of them]] were among the human population for at least several decades prior to the war.

==Physiology and Psychology==
Humanoid Cylons are visually indistinguishable from humans, down to the cellular level, but not completely at a molecular level. Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] is able to create a [[Cylon detector|detector]] that can distinguish Cylon from human, but rarely used the device to a positive end ("[[Litmus]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]").

Each humanoid Cylon has the same face, stature, hair, eye and skin color, gender, apparent age, and other biometrics as all the others of his or her model. This point technically makes each copy a twin of itself, but there are some models that choose to make cosmetic differences. Examples include [[D'Anna Biers]], [[Gina Inviere]], and a Number Six model with black hair ([[Torn]]). In addition, each copy appears to start with the same basic personality, but each personality grows more distinct due to their individual experiences.

The Cylon brain appears to have the same basic anatomical structure as the human brain and is claimed by [[Caprica-Six]] to operate on the same principle ([[Escape Velocity]], yet is based on the [[silica pathways|silica pathway]] technology developed by the Colonies for the original mechanical Centurion models ([[Miniseries]]). It is this inherited technology that apparently allows humanoid Cylons to do things that a human brain and nervous system may not or cannot do, such as stellar navigate with the naked eye ([[The Face of the Enemy]], Episode 2), program and compile computer code ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]), and interface directly with other technologies ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

Humanoid Cylons can be programmed as "sleeper agents", who appear to have a low-level Cylon personality that can conduct operations while placing the human sleeper personality "on-hold." [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|"Boomer" Valerii]] was one such agent ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Most agent copies, particularly [[Number Five|Numbers Five]] [[Number Six|and Six]], assume a human persona but are fully aware of their true nature and behave more or less as a human "spy."

[[Image:Gina catatonic.jpg|thumb|left|The emotionally scarred Number Six copy known as "Gina Inviere".]]
They are susceptible to the same emotional traumas and joys that their human counterparts are, as they cannot "turn off" their ability to feel pain or other emotions ([[Escape Velocity]]), further proving that personalities are a realistic part of their psyche. A case in point is a copy of Number Six, known as [[Gina Inviere]], who is physically and sexually assaulted repeatedly by the crew of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. These repeated assaults lead to Inviere's near-catatonic state at the time ''Pegasus'' discovers the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Humanoid Cylons can dream, a process that appears to be natural to them<ref>A Number Three speaks casually to Doctor [[Cottle]] about her [[Dodona Selloi|prophetic dreams]] of the child [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] in "[[Exodus, Part I]]".</ref>.

Some or all Cylon female models may have the capacity to bear children seeded by human males ("[[33]]", "[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]"). The Cylons tested numerous methods of sexual reproduction, yet these failed due to a known flaw in their design. The seven widely known models of Humanoid Cylons cannot reproduce with each other biologically, so in an attempt to subvert this deficiency, they try to interbreed with humans, creating hybrid offspring. "[[Farms]]" were set up across all the occupied Colonies where survivors, specifically, young fertile women of child-bearing age, were rounded up, placed under heavy sedation and turned into "baby machines" through artificial insemination<ref>Ron Moore said there are presumably also farms for male humans, plus ''in vitro'' experiment labs, etc.</ref>. However, these methods have been unsuccessful thus far. Another drastically different approach is taken by attempting to conceive a child through a bond of love. To most of the characters it seems that [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]]'s love-child, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] is the lone success story of the relatively short history of Cylon sexual reproduction ([[The Farm]]), with the hybrid nature of [[Galen Tyrol]]'s child [[Nicholas Tyrol]] unknown to anyone but the four recently revealed members of the Final Five. More recently, the humanoid Cylons [[Saul Tigh]] (another of the Final Five) and [[Caprica-Six]] have conceived an unborn child.

The bodies of humanoid Cylons sometimes appear to have tremendous stamina and strength, and appear to be designed to destroy or resist commonly dangerous human diseases<ref>The blood from [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]'s fetus destroys the cancer within [[Laura Roslin]]'s body in "[[Epiphanies]]".</ref>, although they are not immune from all contagions<ref>An infection ravages the Cylons in the episode, "[[Torn]]".</ref>. In keeping with their desire to be a better human, however, the Cylons did not or could not further improve on other characteristic design flaws of the human body.<ref>Dr. Cottle complains of birth complications with Caprica-Valerii in the episode, "[[Downloaded]]".</ref> Humanoid Cylons are heavily fortified to resist damage from intense radiation fields that would kill a human after short exposure ([[The Passage]]), but they are still susceptible to damage from [[Ragnar|certain types of radiation]] or trauma ([[Miniseries]]). Despite their resistance to certain forms of energy, humanoid Cylons, unlike the [[Cylon Centurion]], cannot be made "bulletproof" ("[[The Farm]]", "[[Precipice]]", "[[Hero]]").

==Cylon Religion==
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The Cylons follow a [[Cylon Religion|monotheistic religion]] to varying extents. Fanatical devotion to God is the central part of [[Number Two]]'s character, whilst the [[Number Six|Sixes]], [[Number Three|Threes]] and to a lesser extent the [[Number Eight|Eights]] also seem to have strong faith. The [[Number One]]s appear to be atheistic. [[Number Four|Fours']] and [[Number Five|Fives']] views are not so well known, but they too take the "non-religious side" in the [[Cylon Civil War]].

==Cybernetic Behavior==
[[Image:Valerii_optic_input.jpg|right|120px|thumb|[[Sharon Agathon|Valerii]] interfaces with ''Galactica's'' [[Computers|computer systems]].]]
Upon the death of its body, a humanoid Cylon's consciousness is automatically transferred into another copy of itself. This "[[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]]" is limited by signal integrity and proximity to the Cylon homeworld or a [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Miniseries]], "[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]").

It appears that all humanoid Cylons share a ''collective knowledge base'' of data from other active or deactivated humanoid Cylons, regardless of their model.<ref>A collective knowledge base works more like an internet chat forum, or even a wiki, which differs from the concept of the collective consciousness as seen in SciFi species such as the Borg in ''Star Trek.'' Writers of the show have indicated this type of "hive mind" is ''not'' employed. Many Cylons are seen describing or detailing events that one of the models experienced but did not participate, such as [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii's]] description of meeting Kara Thrace for the first time--a memory physically experienced not by that Number Eight copy, but [[Sharon Valerii|"Boomer" Valerii]], in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". When under duress, "Boomer" Valerii is able to tell [[Gaius Baltar]] the number of remaining humanoid Cylons in the Fleet. This information would be impossible to know without a collective knowledge base to all humanoid Cylons ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]])</ref>

As a humanoid Cylon downloads after being killed, it is apparent that the Cylon's memories are automatically stored for future use, such as uploading them into another copy of that specific model. Once these memories are implanted they become as real to the receiving Cylon as their own original memories. This downloading of memories seems to be involuntary as [[Sharon Agathon]] had no reason to do such a thing ([[The Hub]]).

The humanoid Cylons' psychology is based on what they simply refer to as "[[projection]]". Essentially an enhanced form of a self-induced and controlled hallucination, projection is how they choose to see the world around them, in any form they wish, whenever they wish. For example, if a Cylon were standing in a hallway, they could choose to see it as a forest filled with birds, trees, and sunlight. This mode of visualization is pleasing to humanoid Cylons ([[Torn]])<ref>[[Gaius Baltar]]'s dreamlike interactions with his [[Virtual beings|virtual Number Six]] is strikingly similar to Cylon projection. See the article, [[Baltar as Cylon speculation]] for more on this issue.</ref>.

Although they cannot do so remotely or wirelessly, humanoid Cylons can interface with a [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series|computer system]] or computer network by photo-electrical means. They can perform this through subdermal physical contact if required ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]) or, preferably, through a [[data-font|Cylon data-font]]<ref>[[Sharon Agathon]] steals back the Fleet's [[launch key]]s by infiltrating a Cylon base by using a Cylon data-font. Humanoid Cylons are seen operating a basestar in the episode "[[Torn]]" by touching an optical pad that illuminates these arm interfaces.</ref>. This might be possible through the use of bio-luminescent and photosensitive cells in their hands.

[[Image:Ander's red eye.jpg|thumb|left|Anders's "red eye" moment.]]
The presence of a water-like fluid as an integral part of the basestar, the ability to interface photo-electronically through subdermal and dermal contact, and the fact that humanoid Cylon are anatomically indistinguishable from human beings, implies that the techniques used in their creation are advanced enough to incorporate cybernetic functions into their design without the use of specific internal structures other than human-like organs.

After being "stared at" by a [[Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]], [[Samuel Anders]]'s right eye briefly flashes red, the Raider responds to this apparent [[IFF]] procedure by flying away, and a Cylon fleet attacking the Colonials retreats ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

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== Known Cylon Models ==
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There are twelve models of humanoid Cylons ([[Miniseries]]), representing twelve personality archetypes that the Cylons have witnessed in humanity. These can be divided into two separate groups, the "Significant Seven"<ref name="sign7">{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=Sig7|timestamp=19:14|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref> and the "Final Five".
According to show producers, the two groups are "fundamentally different." The religion, origin, physiology and cybernetic properties of the Final Five remain largely unrevealed.

The Significant Seven have numerical designations, however the Final Five do not<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref>, leaving the number seven apparently unassigned. All the Significant Seven models except the Sixes have come to be associated with a particular "human name", and even other Cylons will refer to "Leobens", "Sharons", "D'Annas" and so on. There appears to be no significance to any of the specific numbers assigned to the different Cylons.<ref>On [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ Ronald D. Moore's blog on Scifi.com], he stated that "Number Six was specifically a homage to 'The Prisoner,' but the rest [of the humanoid Cylons] were assigned their numbers randomly."</ref>

===Significant Seven===

Seven models revealed to the viewers as Cylons have also been revealed to the central Colonial characters within the first two seasons. There are many copies of each model, although the specific number of copies per model has not been specified; although a [[Number One]] known as Cavil has stated it is in the millions. The identities of these mechanized copies are determined by their model and each model is unique ([[Six of One]]).

==== [[Number One]] ====

[[Image:Pensieve One.jpg|thumb|left|Number One/Cavil]]
One of the Number One models poses as a Colonial [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Brothers|brother]] named Cavil, a lay clergyman in the Fleet.

Ones do not appear to subscribe to overall theology of the Cylons, but adhere to group consensus, and often are persuasive leaders. Ones have displayed a condescending attitude toward the beliefs of the other six known Cylons at times.

In several instances, the Ones advocate dark, draconian solutions to the insurgency on [[New Caprica]] that reveal a militant zeal equaling that of Numbers Three and Five.

This Number One model in particular seems to be in something approaching a leadership role on one of the basestars, as seen in the episode "[[Six of One]]". This model assumes some authority and wields influence over the others, yet decisions are still reached through majority vote. However, this is soon overturned by the rebellion of the Cylons led by [[Natalie]], a [[Number Six]], and the body of this One is killed by Centurions. The resurrected Cavil assumes leadership of one faction in the [[Cylon Civil War]].
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==== [[Number Two]] ====

[[Image:Leoben2.jpg|thumb|right|Number Two/Leoben Conoy]]
Number Two, better known as Leoben Conoy, is the fourth model seen by viewers (although viewers would not know until the end of the [[Miniseries]] that they had already seen the third introduced humanoid Cylon, Sharon Valerii). The Two model has shown to be mystically oriented--making references to the oneness of the universe, the illusion of time, etc.--and claims to be prescient on some level, albeit with a known propensity for intermixing truth with falsehoods. He is first discovered on [[Ragnar Station]], claiming to be a scavenger and arms dealer ([[Miniseries]]).

The Two models also appear obsessed with matters of mating, bonding, and reproduction, as demonstrated by a particular model's fascination and obsession with [[Kara Thrace]] ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", "[[Occupation]]", "[[Precipice]]" and "[[Exodus, Part II]]").

Two can be likened to the serpent of the [[w:Genesis|Genesis]] tale in the Earth [[w:Bible|Christian Bible]], taunting people with knowledge, then watching as the negative consequences come into devastating fruition. Copies have likely been encountered by the [[Caprica Resistance]], as [[Samuel Anders]] recites in jest some comments made by another Number Two copy captured in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[The Farm]]").

The Number Twos are part of the rebel faction in the Cylon Civil War.
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==== [[Number Three]] ====

[[Image:Number Three.jpg|thumb|left|Number Three/D'Anna Biers]]
First seen posing as a reporter from the [[Fleet News Service]], this model is revealed to be a Cylon at the end of "[[Final Cut]]" when a second copy is shown living on Caprica. Threes seem to be the most calculating and duplicitous models shown to-date, even manipulating and deceiving other models if they feel warranted. The copy that tried to [[Boxed|box]] Sharon Valerii exhibited these characteristics strongly in the episode "[[Downloaded]]".

This model's status as a Cylon is unknown to the Colonials until either shortly after the rescue of the surviving members of the [[Caprica Resistance]] or after the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

After the Threes defy other Cylon models in their attempt to discern the identity of the [[Final Five|five missing Cylon humanoids]], the other Cylons conclude that the Three model has an inherent flaw that threatens their overall reliability. After the failure on the [[algae planet]] to gather information on the path to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], the Cylons have all Number Three models [[boxing|boxed]] indefinitely, until she is unboxed to ostensibly stop the rebels from fighting ([[Rapture]]). With the [[Resurrection Hub]] destroyed, she is the only Number Three copy in existence. She joins the rebels to make contact with the Final Five and eventually reaches Earth with them ("[[The Hub]]", "[[Revelations]]").

The first encountered copy of this model appeared under the alias "[[D'Anna Biers]]", and the D'Anna name is sometimes used to describe the model as a whole.
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==== [[Number Four]] ====

[[Image:Simon Farm2.JPG|thumb|right|Number Four/Simon]]
The Number Four model is first encountered by [[Kara Thrace]] on Cylon-occupied [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Posing as a doctor under the name Simon, this Number Four is actually involved with the Cylon hybridization program. Simon resembles a tall, somewhat thin middle-aged black man who speaks in a comforting strong voice ([[The Farm]]) Unlike other models, Number Four does not seem to have many military aspects to his physical or mental configuration, and is easily overcome by a wounded Thrace. Simon may be a model based primarily on human intellectualism and logic<ref>A Four expresses the moral dilemmas of rescuing a crippled basestar as having no scientific answer in "[[Torn]]".</ref>. It is unknown if a Four model infiltrated the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] prior to the occupation of [[New Caprica]]. In any case, the model is now known to the general populace, many humans likely saw a Number Four model during the occupation.

The Number Fours are part of Cavil's faction in the Cylon Civil War.
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==== [[Number Five]] ====

[[Image:Doral.jpg|thumb|left|Number Five/Aaron Doral]]
This model attempts to sow the seeds of discontent or confusion, particularly during crucial life-threatening situations, and endeavors to undermine authority that threatens his objectives ([[Miniseries]]). Number Five models are more covert, assuming an ordinary "everyman" appearance that's blended in what may seem to be insignificant behind-the-scenes issues (such as converting ''Galactica'' into a museum). Of all the models thus far, the Number Five models are the most militant, fanatic and consistent in message and objectives to the Cylon objectives, whether he is dispassionately discussing the fate of humanity with his comrades or attempting to kill or maim Colonials in a suicide bomb attack ([[Litmus]]).

Viewers first meet a Number Five during a tour of ''Galactica'' with other Colonial citizens (possibly the press) at the start of the Miniseries, but are not sure of the Cylon's true identity until the Miniseries' conclusion.

Copies of this model have appeared under the alias "[[Aaron Doral]]".

The Number Fives are part of Cavil's faction in the Cylon Civil War.
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==== [[Number Six]] ====

[[Image:Number Six.jpg|thumb|right|Number Six]]
This is the first humanoid Cylon model shown to viewers at the start of the [[Miniseries]].

Stunningly beautiful, promiscuous and sensual, this model utilizes the human need and desire for sexual relations to her advantage. She tends to be very religious and monotheistic. Number Six desires to know what it is to be alive. There is something inherently enigmatic about her, more so than with the other models. Sixes have been described as "usually so hardcore", referring to their tendencies towards violence.

Sixes are the only model who appear not to have one particular "human name", copies have appeared under the aliases "[[Shelly Godfrey]]", "[[Gina Inviere]]", "[[Natalie]]", and "[[Caprica-Six|Caprica]]" (in honor of her work on Caprica towards the destruction of the Colonies). [[Virtual Six]], whom only [[Gaius Baltar]] can see is a mainstay of the cast, and is clearly the dominant party in their "relationship".

The Number Sixes are part of the rebel faction, of which Natalie was originally the leader, in the Cylon Civil War.
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==== [[Number Eight]] ====

[[Image:Eight.jpg|thumb|left|Number Eight/Sharon]]
Number Eight is generally a saboteur designed to infiltrate Colonial military units and is likely programmed to use any Colonial munitions to cause havoc ([[Water]]). The Number Eight model is the closest witnessed humanoid Cylon model to show its abilities as a soldier. This model has shown naiveté in many matters. She is apparently not as religious as other Cylon models, but has demonstrated that she can love, and is capable of being impregnated by a human ("[[Six Degrees of Separation]]", "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]").

She may be "defective", as the Cylon programming within the sleeper agent known as "Boomer" on ''Galactica'' conflicts multiple times with its human personality ([[Water]]). Also, the fully aware Sharon Valerii found by [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] on Caprica switches alliances from Cylon to Colonial after falling in love with Helo and aids the Colonials [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|for a time]] (several episodes, most notably "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]"). Number Eight is the third humanoid Cylon introduced during the [[Miniseries]]. However, viewers do not discover her true identity until the very end of the Miniseries when a second copy of Sharon Valerii appears at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] while retrieving an abandoned copy of Number Five.

A copy of this model has appeared under the name "[[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]]." One copy, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon "Athena" Agathon]], has defected from the Cylon and has joined the Colonial Fleet, generally replacing her "Boomer" counterpart as a [[Raptor]] pilot.

The Number Eights are part of the rebel faction in the Cylon Civil War, with the exception of Boomer (who is Cavil's consort) and Athena (who is aligned with the human fleet).
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=== Final Five ===

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The identities of the remaining five Cylon models remained a mystery long after the revelation of the identities of the "Significant Seven".

In "[[Torn]]", [[Caprica-Six]] mentions to [[Gaius Baltar]] that the Cylons do not talk about the missing five humanoid Cylons. In the same episode, Baltar confirms that, during his time with the Cylons on occupied New Caprica and on a basestar, he only saw the first seven models. It is later revealed that the Significant Seven themselves do not know (or have repressed) the identities of these final five models, until the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|battle at the Ionian nebula]] in which the [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] identify one of the members of the Final Five, causing a divide between the Seven.

In "[[Crossroads, Part II]]" four major characters discover they are Cylons: [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Saul Tigh]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]]. They were previously unaware of their nature, and this information was limited only to themselves. While shocked by their discovery, they initially agree to remain loyal to humanity until "[[Revelations]]", when D'Anna reveals their identities. Foster then joins D'Anna and the Twos, Sixes, and Eights on their Basestar while Tigh, Anders, and Tyrol remain on ''Galactica''.

In [[Sometimes a Great Notion]] the characters remember that they were all friends 2,000 years ago on Earth.

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Image:Tyrol Cylon.jpg|[[Galen Tyrol]]
Image:Anders_Cylon.jpg|[[Samuel Anders]]
Image:Tighlon.jpg|[[Saul Tigh]]
Image:Tory Cylon.JPG|[[Tory Foster]]
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==== The Final Cylon model ====

The final model is [[Ellen Tigh]], wife of [[Saul Tigh]]. Ellen was executed by Saul after assisting the Cylons during the resistance on [[New Caprica]]. Ellen and Saul were also a couple on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], who died there together after she assured him they would be reborn and be together again. ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).

=== The Thirteenth Cylon ===

In "[[Sine Qua Non]]", [[Caprica-Six]] is discovered to be pregnant, and [[Saul Tigh]] is accused of fathering the child. If so, this would be the first completely Cylon conception.

==Early Generation Cylons ==

The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|thirteenth tribe]] consisted of an earlier generation of Cylons with unknown properties. They colonized [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. They were a diverse population, without a limited number of models. Their bones, when tested using Cylon procedures, match as Cylon, but little else is known about their Cylon nature. The Final Five lived among them and may be similar models. ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).
== Human/Cylon Hybrids ==

Conceived by [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] and [[Karl Agathon|Karl Agathon]], the infant [[Hera Agathon]] is the first known human/Cylon hybrid<ref>These beings should not be confused with the living computer of a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], also called a [[Hybrid]].</ref>.

[[Gaius Baltar]]'s internal [[Number Six]] regularly insists that Hera is actually the child of herself and Baltar, though there is no physical reason yet presented to justify that claim.

For some time Hera was hidden away from both humans and Cylons, and believed to be dead by her parents. President [[Laura Roslin]] had the baby hidden with [[Maya]] as her adoptive parent. Despite Roslin's attempts to protect the child on [[New Caprica]], Hera is later found by the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

After Hera's mother discovers that her daughter is alive, she uses her ability to [[Resurrection (RDM)|download]] to transport to the Cylon ships, and manages to convince [[Caprica-Six]] to return the child to ''Galactica'' for medical treatment for a possible intestinal blockage, which the Cylon doctors, lacking pediatric knowledge, were unable to comprehend ([[Rapture]]).

A child, [[Kacey Brynn]], is presented by a Number Two model to [[Kara Thrace]] as a hybrid offspring purportedly created with their genetic material in the episode "[[Precipice]]". The Cylons' ruse is revealed when Kacey's real mother later claims the child, who is a normal human girl ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

Galen Tyrol's son with [[Callandra Tyrol]], [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicky]], is also a Cylon/human hybrid<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=hybridnick|timestamp=22:41|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref> who is not the result of the Cylons' breeding experiment ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

== Speculated Infiltrators ==

:''See the [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] article for analysis on characters and their likelihood of being a humanoid Cylon, based on episode information.''

== Notes ==

*[[Ronald D. Moore|Ron D. Moore]] stated in an interview with ''[http://www.thefandom.com/Article50.phtml TheFandom.com]'', "There is no original human Sharon. The idea is not that there was likely an original human model that they were copied from. The idea was that these models of Cylon were sort of developed out of their own study of us. The Cylons on some level looked at humanity and said 'You know what? There's really only 12 of you.' If these are the 12, and sort of if you look at them they each represent different archetypes of what humanity is." This established as canon that:
** There are precisely twelve ''human'' Cylon models. The other varieties of Cylon spacecraft or fighters are not factored into this count of 12 models.
** '''None''' of the humanoid Cylons were ''ever'' an actual human.
** The twelve models are based on archetypes determined by the Cylons that form what they perceive were the specific kinds of human behavior and/or personality, distilled into twelve varieties.
* A [[Cylon Centurion]] cannot distinguish the differing versions of one model from another ([[Precipice]]). For example, if faced with two differing Number Eight models, [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon "Athena" Agathon]], it would not be able to discriminate between them without external aid.
* While Centurions may not be able to tell the difference between different versions of the same model, other humanoid Cylons do not have this problem ("[[Downloaded]]", "[[Exodus, Part I]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Six of One]]").
* According to [[Cavil]] in "[[Exodus, Part I]]", the pain associated with each successive [[Resurrection (RDM)|download]] is worse than the one before. The first download feels like little more than a headache, but the third feels like someone has rushed a white hot poker through the head. However, this might be a subjective feeling that varies with model and circumstances. [[Sharon Agathon]]'s report in "[[Scar]]" supports Cavil, but a [[Number Three]] considers her last download to be rejuvenating ([[Downloaded]]).
*Some characters refer to humanoid Cylons as "skinjobs". This is a reference to the film ''[[w:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]]'' in which [[Edward James Olmos]] has a supporting role. In the movie "skinjob" is used as an insult to [[w:Replicant|replicants]], which are bio-mechanical robots made to look human.
*According to Ron Moore, the Final Five Cylons, unlike the Significant Seven, "do not" have model numbers <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref>. As such, it would appear that there is no Cylon model Number Seven.

== See also ==

* [[Cylon Culture]]
* [[Cylon Religion]]

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:''This article is about the Thirteenth Tribe in the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For its [[Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Thirteenth Tribe (TOS)]].''

The '''Thirteenth Tribe''', a group of early generation Cylons, left [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and its sister tribes some 2,000 years before the remaining tribes left to form the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<ref>In "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", Tyrol says that "Our initial radiocarbon dating suggests that the temple's at least 4,000 years old, which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe." This is the oldest date noted in the series's timeline, but also conflicts with the prior date of [[Pythia]] and her works as described by [[Elosha]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", where she states that the exodus of '''all 13 tribes''' occurred approximately 2,000 years ago. Another contradiction occurs in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]", when Adama says that "According to Cottle, the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] was an exact match to one reported over 3000 years ago, right around the time that the 13th colony left Kobol." See also, [[Timeline (RDM)#Ancient History]].</ref>

:''"...The [[Sacred Scrolls]] tell that the 13th tribe left Kobol in the early days. They traveled far and made their home upon a planet called '''[[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]'''...which circled a distant and unknown star."'' ([[Miniseries]])

During some period, travel appears to have taken place from Earth to Kobol, as the [[Sacred Scrolls]] give an account of the journey to Earth. The effect of Earth on the 12 other tribes is significant, as [[Laura Roslin]] states that the star patterns from the Earth Zodiac shown in the 3D projection in the [[Tomb of Athena]] were used for the original flags of the Twelve Colonies, and the colonies' original names match the Earth names of the constellations ([[Home, Part II]]).

At least a few of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] remained to watch the 12 tribes leave Kobol. One of them is [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Athena]], who supposedly killed herself in grief over the exodus.

[[Image:Tombmap.jpg|left|thumb|The [[Tomb of Athena]] was the first marker on a path to Earth ([[Home, Part II]])]]
Commander [[William Adama]] falsely claims to know the location of Earth, using the lie to give the battered remnants of humanity a cause and reason to hope after their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|escape from the devastated Colonies]] ([[Miniseries]]). Later, through the [[Arrow of Apollo|efforts]] of President Roslin, Adama and others locate a tomb on Kobol, which reveals a map and sufficient references to point his [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to the true general coordinates of the legendary Thirteenth Colony of Earth ([[Home, Part II]]).

[[Image:3x6-Lion's-Head-beacon-1.jpg|right|thumb|A beacon near the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], left by the Thirteenth Tribe, but found by the Cylons ([[Torn]])]]
Over a year later, an [[Lion's Head beacon|ancient probe]], possibly the first tangible evidence of the Thirteenth Tribe's existence, is recovered by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] in the [[Lion's Head Nebula]]. The probe contains a [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] that proves particularly deadly to the Cylons on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] that recover it. The Cylons fear the virus so much that they abandon the baseship, moving their [[Resurrection Ship]] away to prevent any dying Cylons from resurrecting and transferring the bioelectric component of the pathogen to the Cylon populace. The probe is later destroyed after the baseship self-destructs ("[[Torn]]", "[[A Measure of Salvation]]").

The Thirteenth Tribe apparently has used one planet as a waystation in their journey. They settled on a [[algae planet|planet]] and built a [[Temple of Five|temple]] to five priests that worshiped what was apparently a controversial deity. Over 4,000 years later, the Temple of Five is discovered by the Fleet. The refugee Colonials believe that an artifact called the [[Eye of Jupiter]] resides there, which is another marker on the path to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).

[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|left|thumb|The [[Temple of Five]], a curious marker ([[Rapture]])]]
No such artifact actually exists, however. The Eye of Jupiter is, in fact, the image created by the planet's dying sun. A strange and highly improbable sequence of events occurs when both Cylon and Colonial forces meet at this unremarkable "algae planet" to find the legendary lost temple near the moment of the star's imminent nova. After they leave the system, the Colonials discover that the nova resembles another older nova that occurred in the time of the Thirteenth Tribe's exodus, located in the [[Ionian system]], and believe that they have found a new marker to Earth.

The Temple was apparently designed for a human to witness a vision of some kind as the star begins to nova.<ref>The ancient tribes were apparently very good at creating holographic and vision mechanisms. The [[Tomb of Athena]] used an apparent 3-D projection to all to show the initial path to Earth. The vision in the Temple, however, is not seen by Baltar which implies a different technology.</ref> Instead of a human using the mechanism, however, a [[Number Three]] Cylon uses the device, believing that it would reveal the identities of the [[final five]] Cylon models intentionally or accidentally lost to the Cylon history. Only [[Gaius Baltar]] witnesses this mechanism in use, but is reluctant to use it himself until it is too late, when the mechanism shuts down as the nova's light is replaced by the shadow of its shockwave ([[Rapture]]).

[[Image:Ionian Nebula.png|right|thumb|The Ionian nebula, where the turbulent events of the Season 3 finale take place.]]
As the Fleet approaches the Ionian nebula, four Colonials experience what they initially believe is a [[The Music|hallucination of fragments of music]]. [[Laura Roslin]], who has resumed the use of [[chamalla]] as part of her renewed fight against her cancer, begins to experience visions of the [[Opera House]] where she, an image of [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]] fight to retrieve an image of [[Hera Agathon]] running in the halls. Roslin and Agathon meet with the [[Rapture|incarcerated]] Caprica Six and realize that all three are experiencing the dream.

When the Fleet arrives at the nebula, Roslin nearly faints. The four crewmembers who experience the musical hallucination are drawn to each other and now hear not only a coherent melody but lyrics as well. The four realize that they may be [[Final five|Cylons]], but choose to continue their work as Colonials. The entire Fleet loses electrical power for a time, for reasons unknown.

After a Cylon fleet also arrives at the nebula, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are scrambled to meet them. One pilot, [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]], detects and intercepts a mysterious target on [[DRADIS]]. Adding to the mystery of the Ionian nebula, [[Kara Thrace]], a pilot [[Maelstrom|believed dead]], flies her [[Viper Mark II]] alongside Apollo and tells him that she has been to and can show the Fleet of the path to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ("[[Crossroads, Part II]]", "[[He That Believeth In Me]]").<ref>According to the [[Podcast:Crossroads, Part II|podcast]] for this episode, Lee Adama is '''not''' hallucinating himself when he sees Kara Thrace. This is confirmed by her subsequent landing on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and interactions with the crew in "[[He That Believeth In Me]]", and other future [[Season 4 (2008)|Season 4]] episodes.</ref>

After finding Earth, the Fleet's first landing party lands on a coast, near the burned out ruins of a city which appears have an unusually high level of radioactivity ([[Revelations]]).

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Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot

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{{plausible speculation}}

A central mystery of the fourth season concerns who the last member of the Cylon [[Final Five]] is. What follows is a compilation of significant clues suggesting or refuting that a character is the final Cylon.

==Notes on Clues==
Clues as to the identity of hidden Cylons have been historically rare in the series. These are the clues which have actually pointed to a real Cylon:
* [[Galen Tyrol]]'s compulsion to find [[Temple of Five]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
* Tyrol suspects he is a Cylon. In a conversation with Brother [[Cavil]], the priest tells him "I'm [a Cylon] and I haven't seen you at the meetings", foreshadowing that both characters are Cylons ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).
* Tyrol suffers significantly fewer injuries than his wife when exposed to the vacuum of space ([[A Day in the Life]]).
* [[The Music]] heard by the four revealed final Cylons ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

Clues entered here must be concrete, from canon or official sources. They should be either:
*Extrahuman events relating to a character.
*Clear dramatic references to a Cylon nature.
*Statements from official sources.

Simple suspicious activity or hidden motives are found in all characters and should not be included. Clues should relate to specific extrahuman/Cylon events, or specific foreshadowing, not speculation of what might be true.

===General Constraints===
Any character, with the likely exceptions of [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Cally Tyrol]], who have fathered half-Cylon children with Cylons<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=hybridnick|timestamp=22:41|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref>, could be the final Cylon. The [[Final Five]] are a "fundamentally different"
kind of Cylon <ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=ffdifferent|timestamp=19:05|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref> and having children, apparent parents, a deep history including experience in the first Cylon war, injuries and a green light from the Cylon detector do not disqualify a character. Connection with the [[Temple of Five]] and Earth suggests the final Cylon is, in some sense, older than the colonies. Dead characters are not excluded. The final Cylon may or may not be aware of his or her nature. It is expected that the unmasking of the final Cylon will be a highly dramatic event, similar in grandeur to the revelation of the other four members of the Final Five.

The agenda of the Final Cylon and Final Five is unknown, but appears to not be directly aligned with that of the Significant Seven. The Final Five, or somebody acting for them, acted in the early programming of the Significant Seven to install a compulsion not to think of the Final Five. D'Anna Biers's vision of the Final Five led her to speak of "the one who programmed us." ([[Rapture]])

The 11 revealed Cylons are 7 males and 4 females. A female final Cylon would lessen, but not fully correct that imbalance.

===Multi-character clues===
====Statement by the First Hybrid====
The [[First Hybrid]] says this about the final Cylon:
:"The fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering." ([[Razor]])

====Four with the Fleet====
[[D'Anna Biers]] states that "Four [of the Final Five] are in your fleet." ([[Revelations]]) At the time, [[Gaius Baltar]], [[Laura Roslin]], [[William Adama]] and [[Karl Agathon]] are not with the Fleet. Furthermore, [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Brendan Constanza]], as well as several minor characters are away from the Fleet too. However, it is uncertain if she intends the statement to be so accurate as to exclude everyone who is not literally with the Fleet at that time, although she only demands four be delivered and is prepared to destroy the Fleet with nuclear weapons, which would destroy the fifth if he/she is hidden within the Fleet.

====Other====
*Just before being boxed, D'Anna Biers tells Cavil, "There are five other Cylons, brother," ruling out any of the seven known models as also belonging to the Final Five ([[Rapture]]).
*The often prophetic [[Leoben Conoy]] tells Laura Roslin that "Adama is a Cylon." At that time he should have no knowledge of the Final Five, and programming not to think about them ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
*[[Gaeta's Lament|Gaeta's song]] about a female sleeping being in the shirt of man, whom he prays will awake may suggest a female final Cylon sleeper.

===Official Statements===
*Season 4 will "further blur the line between Cylon and human" and "redefine what it is to be a Cylon"
*[[Bradley Thompson]] stated "If memory serves, [the identity of the] fifth (which may change) we've been kicking around since about the end of Season One."<ref>[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive8#Identity of the Final Five|BW:OC#Identity of the Final Five]]</ref>
*During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.
*The fifth Cylon will be "organic and satisfying. It won't be some day player from Season 1." says SciFi Channel VP Mark Stern.<ref>T.V. Guide, July 14-20, 2008</ref> Stern describes it as "delicious" and "one of those things that are right under your nose and you don't expect it -- but it makes total sense." He says, "it doesn't feel arbitrary, It feels like it could have been planned all along."<ref>[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-martin/who-is-the-twelfth-cylon_b_123865.html Huffington Post interview with Stern]</ref>
*"I can tell you it's someone you've seen. It won't be a guest-star" says Ronald Moore.<ref>ComicCon 2008 panel</ref> In producer-speak, a "guest star" is any non-regular, however Moore probably meant a brand-new guest star.

====YouWillKnowTheTruth====
A Sci-Fi Channel promotional site, [[YouWillKnowTheTruth]], details various clues, many possibly related to the identity of the final Cylon
* "You don't know my name." -- This could refer to characters whose full names are not known to the audience, such as [[Cottle]] or [[Crashdown]], or to the Virtual being, whose name is entirely unknown.
* [[Laura Roslin]]'s disappearance from [[The Last Supper]] may be interpreted as a sign of her death, or of her no longer being eliminated by that clue.
* The foetus with a red spine may refer to [[Hera]], [[Caprica Six]]'s unborn child or [[Nicholas]].
* Several scenes with discussion of the Cylon God may indicate a connection to this being. We also don't know the Cylon god's name.
* Baltar's statement "seems we both made rather bad choices when it comes to our Presidential aides-du-camp, wouldn't you say?" seems to compare Gaeta and Tory Foster. His loyalties are described as divided.

==Dead Characters==

===[[Ellen Tigh]]===
*Tigh burns a picture of Ellen with his cigar, giving her a [http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn135/timtrace/?action=view&current=etighburn.jpg big, glowing red eye] ([[Miniseries]]).
*Ellen's sudden appearance in the Fleet with no other person having a recollection as to how ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).
*Intense curiosity over specifics of quest for Earth.
*Sexual relationship with a Cavil on New Caprica.
*Ellen's appearance to her husband in visions while he is with [[Caprica Six]].
*After Baltar declares all Cylon tests will be green, Virtual Six asks what the real result of her test was, which is peculiar as she should see what he sees. He says, "I'll never tell." ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])

===[[Elosha]]===
*Recent return as a spirit guide may hint at a larger role. However producer's statements say she was a quick last minute replacement for [[Billy Keikeya]]. <ref>[[Podcast:The Hub]]</ref>

===[[Cally Tyrol]]===
*Negative: She suffered greatly from exposure to vacuum with Galen, while he was not much harmed.
*Negative: Her son Nicholas has been identified by Moore as half-human, half-Cylon.

===[[Helena Cain]]===
*She is in great need of redemption, given her actions.

===[[Kendra Shaw]]===
*Hungers for redemption.
*Is the only person to hear the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecies.

== Eliminated Characters==

The following characters are eliminated from consideration by the clues above. However for those who feel those clues are misinterpreted, the following clues exist.

===[[Kara Thrace]]===
*To all appearances killed in explosion, then returns two months later in brand-new Viper ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).
*Painting mandala since childhood.
*Seeks redemption for destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' and the death of [[Zak Adama]].
*Told by Leoben and oracles that she has a special [[The Destiny|destiny]].
*Predicted by the [[First Hybrid]] to lead the human race to its end, to be the herald of the apocalypse and the harbinger of death ([[Razor]]).

===[[Laura Roslin]]===
*One of the few humans to experience Cylon related visions. (Possible explanations include [[chamalla]] and blood transfusions from [[Hera Agathon|Hera]].)
*Also apparently shares [[Emily Kowalski]]'s dying vision of trip to afterlife ([[Faith]]).
*Ruled out as being one of the four revealed members in podcast for "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".
*The unboxed Three tells Roslin she is a member of the final five, then says she was joking just to see her reaction.

===[[Felix Gaeta]]===
*Sings a [[Gaeta's Lament|song]] which could imply knowledge of a Cylon sleeper awakening.
*Note: His stabbing of Baltar has [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries#From the podcast|an unaired explanation]].
*Negative: David Eick stated that they debated whether Gaeta or Anders should be one of the four revealed Cylons for some time, suggesting he is not the fifth.<ref>San Diego ComicCon Panel 2008</ref>

===[[Gaius Baltar]]===
*Survives a nuclear explosion that destroys his home, essentially unscathed ([[Miniseries]]).
*Frames [[Aaron Doral]] as a Cylon, who then turns out to be one (Miniseries).
*The Hybrid declares him "The Chosen One" and said he had "A mind that burns like fire." The secrets of the Temple of Five are only to be revealed to that chosen one ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*Has a [[Virtual Six|Six in his head]] that claims to be an angel from God, as well as a [[Virtual Baltar]] similar to Caprica-Six's.
*Seemingly able to cure a boy of viral meningitis by praying, as instructed by Virtual Six ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).
*Seen as the messiah by a [[Cult of Baltar|cult]].
*Unconsciously knows what part of Cylon base to attack ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).
*By a considerable margin, the (living) character most in need of, and hungering for redemption, considering his role in the downfall of mankind.
*Often hopes that he is a Cylon; has stated he would find redemption in learning he is a Cylon.
*Cylons are uncannily attracted to him, and three of the four female models have had sexual relations with him.
*After [[Number Three]] sees image of Final Five in Temple of Five, she declares to him "So beautiful. You were right." The primary thing he has been insisting to her is that he may be a Cylon.
*Declared to be one of the smartest Colonials alive. Genius ability with computers. Demonstrable ability to cover up his background ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).
*Declared to be the father, with her, of the new hybrid race by Virtual Six ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
*Appears in visions of the [[Opera House]] seen by Roslin. He also sees the Opera House in visions led by his inner Six.
*Receives special attention from D'Anna Biers after her unboxing, more than any other character ([[The Hub]]).

===[[Anastasia Dualla]]===
*An Adama by marriage, she was not an Adama when Leoben made his pronouncement ([[Flesh and Bone]]). Other clues remain inconclusive.
*Her name, Anastasia means "resurrection" and Dualla means "duo" implying a duality of some kind.
*Survives poisoning that kills most other characters who receive it ([[The Woman King]]). (Robert's statement that he did not harm her suggests that she may not have been poisoned.)

===[[William Adama]]===
*One of the few to experience Cylon related visions (in the room with [[First Hybrid]]) ([[Razor]], extended version).
*Negative: Ruled out as being one of the 4 revealed members in podcast for "Crossroads".
*Seeks redemption over fear he started the war ([[Hero]]).
*Although Conoy may well be lying in order to confuse Roslin in "[[Flesh and Bone]]", it appears most likely that he refers to William Adama.

===[[Lee Adama]]===
*Described as "in his father's shadow" by [[Romo Lampkin]].
*Negative: Orders destruction of Temple of Five, which Final Five member Tyrol is unable to carry out.
*Seeks some redemption for the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
*Lee Adama's query "What if it had been Zak in that Viper?" may also subtly refer to himself.
*Negative: The game of hostage brinksmanship with D'Anna Biers ([[Revelations]]) seems highly unlikely if she knows him to be the final Cylon.

==More Speculative Options==

Most highly speculative options are ruled out by producer statements that the final Cylon will not be a day player or never before seen guest star. All of the company regularly profess that they believe the ending and revelation will be highly satisfying to fans.

===Virtual Being/Beings===
The various [[Virtual beings]] appear to be a manifestation of some external being or beings. There may be just one being behind the vision that Baltar sees as a Six and as himself, that [[Caprica Six]] sees as Baltar and which Starbuck saw as Leoben. This "character" is both unseen and at the same time one of the most popular regular characters, most commonly appearing as a sexy Six. The being (or one of the several beings) could take the role of the final Cylon. If so, the being would appear played by regular cast members such as [[James Callis]] or [[Tricia Helfer]], but be distinct from the characters they normally play.
*The being claims to be an agent of the Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]].
*The being has manipulated a considerable number of key events in the journey of the Fleet and Kara Thrace's destiny.
*When D'Anna Biers sees the Final Five, she may see the being in any form. Since Caprica Six sees the being as her lover Baltar, Biers may also have seen Baltar. This explains the profuse apology, her telling him "you were right" and her believing that there are only "four in your fleet."
*The being is the only regular character not subject to fan speculation about being a Cylon, because most fans concluded it already was a Cylon due to the form and statements of Baltar's Virtual Six. However, the being is clearly not one of the Significant Seven. This "hiding in plain sight" is a popular dramatic trick.
*D'Anna Biers speaks to Cavil of "the one who programmed us" after seeing the Final Five.
*Negative: No clear relation to First Hybrid's prophecy or Gaeta's song.

===Additional Candidates===
*The Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]] is frequently referenced as a real and intervening being.
*While seemingly ruled out by D'Anna Biers's declaration that there are "five other Cylons," it may be possible that one of the Significant Seven, in particular a special one like [[Sharon Valerii]] may lead a dual existence.
*The [[First Hybrid]] states that his existence would "begin again in ways uncertain" after his destruction ([[Razor]]).
*Materials for ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' state that there were Cylon models based on the human memories of at least three people, however Moore has stated no new characters from Caprica will appear in the series.
*The nature of the being, represented by an internal image of Leoben Conoy, who appears to [[Kara Thrace]] in "[[Maelstrom]]" is unknown.
*Original [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] units not on the [[Guardian basestar]] when it is destroyed could still exist.
*The slavery of the robotic Cylons has become an important Cylon issue. Non-biological forms could be represented in the Final Five.

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Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/Archive4

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== To <s>quote</s> paraphrase Bill Pullman from ''ID4''... "Let's nuke the bastard." ==

To offer a different perspective from ColonelKevin's point, I think this article really needs to be airlocked and approached in a completely different light. I've really felt this way from the get go, but my feelings are reinforced by the fact that this is the last and final season, and the article will then enter a state of total and complete obsolescence, particularly from an "out of universe perspective".

What I am proposing is that the article be written to detail "in universe" Cylon speculation and how they've dealt with the threat of Cylons looking human. I'm looking at documenting the overall human reaction to this, which would include things like [[Sesha Abinell]]'s conspiracy theories, the Colonials attempts at a Cylon detector, the Fleet leadership's concerns about releasing the information before "[[Litmus]]", etc. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's "Nuke 'em. Let's nuke the bastards.". And.. I agree. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:: You're right, Mr. Quotables... I meant "paraphrasing". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Seems like a good idea. From what I can infer, most, if not all, of the in-universe early-S4 speculation will be on Starbuck, so we might need to decide where we draw the lines between this article, [[Kara Thrace]] and [[The Destiny]]. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 00:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

:I agree somewhat. We know that many people love this speculation and the survey also shows that some people expect it here. But IMHO, it's just inane and verges on the annoying. There are so many fan theories floating around out there, it's flat out impossible to reflect even a good part of it. The problem is also, that what started out as interesting and ''grounded'' speculation, has deteriorated into complete bullshit by now, also due to the introduction of the Final Five. Especially with the latter, we can't really know which criteria even imply for potential cylonicity. In that regard, I've always felt that this wiki is a place for fact, analysis and some well-founded speculation here and there; and that complete speculation - like this - is a matter for forums. There are dozens of forums with endless threads of Final Five speculation, so why does this have to be rehashed on a wiki?
:That said, the article has finally approached a state where it's readable and worthy of the wiki, by excising most of the specious speculation and concentrating on a few likely characters. However, as Joe said, its validity in light of the upcoming revelations - and also the uncertain basis for the arguments - is somewhat questionable. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::While I do think it's possible to do a speculation page properly, there's no doubt that it's a huge task to produce one that's relatively grounded and well sourced, particularly considering how just about anyone could be the final cylon. It's hard to say if such a task is really worth the effort. If I had to chose between leaving the page as it is now or nuking it, I'd definetely say nuke it. Maybe take the best bits (the comment from Bradley Thompson and the Hybird prophecy, maybe the last supper picture, none of the speculation) and just place it on the section for the Final Cylon on the Humanoid Cylon article? -- [[User:ColonelKevin|ColonelKevin]] 16:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I think collecting the pro/anti cylon clues for the characters is worthwhile. But perhaps it should be just done as two sets of bullet points per character -- reasons why, and why not they could be a Cylon. Tell people to stick to itemizing information from canon/official, leave it to the reader to judge what it means. Then add one broad section on non-character specific information (like the last supper etc.)--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 17:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

This article used to be a load of bullet points, but people didn't like that so we changed it to its current state. Despite writing about half of the article as it stands, I'm not a big fan of it. The problem is mainly with the in-universe clues, someone, somewhere will have some reason why pretty much any arbitrary scene means some character being a Cylon. There are some relatively good things to consider [Baltar's hallucinations, Starbuck's return from the dead], but eventually you have to draw the line somewhere [Some people take Leoben saying "Adama's a Cylon" as a clue, is that justified?]. It's all terribly subjective and messy and not really for an encyclopaedia. Having a comprehensive coverage of fan speculation is both impossible and undesirable.

I think the best thing about the article is that it stopped speculation spilling into other parts of the Wiki. An '''in'''-universe look at the issue would be better, and probably quite pertinent for season 4. Nevertheless, fan speculation on who is and isn't a Cylon has been an important part of the viewing experience (whenever I meet a Galactica fan the fisrt question I always ask is "Who do you think the last Cylon is?")

Consequently, it is worth considering if we can find a way to cover, out-of-universe, that element of the viewing experience in an encyclopaedic manner without necessarily joining in. At the very least we could include a line like: "Since the outset of the show fans have speculated on who could be a Cylon. Theories for practically every character exist, with fans drawing justification from events in both aired content and comments from cast and crew."

Also we need to consider what happens to [[Baltar as Cylon speculation]], which is a very detailed essay, but probably not encyclopaedic. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:So, what's the plan? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, as you noted, the problem is that we'll never be able to cover fan theories in an encyclopedic format... Fan theories are really a dime a dozen, and to cover even 10% of them would be extremely biased. It seems quite apparent to me that the best bet would be to put the [[Baltar as Cylon speculation]] page to pasture, and redo the "humanoid Cylon speculation" page from an in-universe perspective, as I had suggested. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::What do you have in mind exactly? There isn't really any in-universe speculation for the final Cylon, expect for Baltar, which is covered in the other article. I guess we could cover the entire series and list people who were suspects at one time, which would be Boomer, Cmd. Adama, Ellen Tigh and Tyrol I guess. Maybe some more, but not a lot, and not really that interesting as it's common knowledge. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm more interested in how the humans have grappled with identifying "who's a Cylon?" throughout the series then the search for the "Last Cylon", which I really don't find that interesting. When all is said and done, finding out "who's a Cylon" isn't as interesting as people make it out to be. So, as I've stated before:
::::"What I am proposing is that the article be written to detail 'in universe' Cylon speculation and how they've dealt with the threat of Cylons looking human. I'm looking at documenting the overall human reaction to this, which would include things like [[Sesha Abinell]]'s conspiracy theories, the Colonials attempts at a Cylon detector, the Fleet leadership's concerns about releasing the information before '[[Litmus]]', etc." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, covering all that would be good and goes beyond the tired "who is a Cylon?" guessing. I agree that that's way overrated. Good TV in general isn't so much about what happens as how it affects the characters. I didn't know you wanted to go into that direction, which is why I asked. A different article name might be appropriate then, though. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::With the addition of "one will be revealed" as the core of the main titles, I have to say I differ. It seems remiss not to have a page collecting the clues to what the producers themselves have declared is the central event and mystery of the season. And there's a lot of material around this -- the debate over the last supper page, various official statements etc.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I've drafted a rebooting of this article, sticking to canonical clues with minimal speculation. The word "could" barely appears. What's the best way to introduce the new article? Created a rebooted page and later rename it if people like it?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 04:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, you can create a rebooted version of the page... We can always rename it later. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
: Create it as subpage of this article. Like [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot]] -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

With the in-show revelation that the final Cylon is not in the fleet (at least according to Three), Ron Moore's comment about the final Cylon not being in the picture seems to have been given much more credence. That would seem to suggest profound implications for this page, which is premised around a major character being the most likely revelation.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 00:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Karl ==

We were actually told that Hera and Nicky '''are''' hybrid children by Mr Moore (and Baltar tests Hera's blood for her hybrid nature in [[Epiphanies]]), hence Karl (and Cally) are definitely humans. This is unless RDM is just plain lying to us, which is quite possible. Nevertheless, I have a little faith, so I'm going to revert this edit.

Oh, yeah, weren't we planning to completely overhaul this article anyway? -- 09:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

: Yeah, but go ahead and revert it. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== New theory about the final one: Benjamin "Ben" Linus from Lost ==

http://www.battlestarforum.com/showpost.php?p=15994&postcount=280 (posted into forum as suggested)

{{unsigned|Karamanthos}}

: Hi there, Karamanthos! If I might make a suggestion, you're better off adding your theories to the [http://www.battlestarforum.com Battlestar Forum]. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== The Hybrids ==

It's a bit of a stretch, but they seem to meet most of the criteria.
*There are no Hybrids in the fleet.
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] was not in the [[The Last Supper|Last Supper image]].
*They are definitely Cylons.
*They don't have a model number.
*Redemption can mean either atonement or liberation.
*They are arguably "still in shadow".
*The "howl of terrible suffering" could refer to how the Hybrid screamed before becoming lucid in [[Faith]].
*The Hybrids played a significant role in leading the Colonials and Cylons to Earth.
There are, however, a few problems.
*The Hybrids coming from Earth seems like a stretch.
*Although we don't know how long the Hybrid concept has been around, the Hybrids weren't introduced until early season 3, and IIRC they decided on the identity of the final Cylon in season 2.
Is there enough evidence to include the Hybrids under ''others''? What about under ''more esoteric theories''? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I think "more esoteric theories" is quite applicable here. The purpose of the section is to list some of the more out-of-the-box ideas that people might have. I think it would be best to simply state it, rather than include the justification above, else the section will get cluttered (like the rest of the article). [[User:OTW|OTW]] 00:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Article [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot|rebooted]] ==

Ok, so I've written up a reboot of the article based on the information presented in "[[Revelations]]". That can be located [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot|here]]. If there aren't any major objections I'd like to move the reboot to the main article space no later than the end of this week. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
:Looks good :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely an improvement. I don't know that I'd privilege the final cylon being on the basestar as a "main theory" above some of the other options like dead or unseen characters returning as the final cylon. It seems very unlikely to me that Three's words can be taken so literally, and implausible that she completely ignored a Final Five cylon already on the basestar. Debate over minor issues like that can wait until after the article is rebooted, however.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 23:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
::: True. Obviously, I have no problem with people modifying it for other speculation, such as dead characters or the like. The last permutations of this article went completely overboard, IMHO, and I really want to restrict that here as much as humanly possible. (Or at least find a balance between the two extremes.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Looks fine to me, too. The esoteric section is a bit "blogish", however. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
: While an improvement, it gives too much attention to Boomer (who is largely ruled out by D'Anna's declaration to Cavil that "There are five OTHER Cylons, Brother") and not enough attention to the dead characters, who seem to be all that is left. Now, I agree the article should focus only on real clues, and not "suspicious circumstances" and "wouldn't it be cool ifs" I do have a [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/what-minor-character-final-cylon speculative article which you might find useful as source material on the dead characters]. Actual true clues (at the level of Tyrol's compulsion to seek the temple or his superior response to being spaced) of the sort we've seen before are few and far between, yet RDM promises they are there. Yet we see none for non-eliminated characters--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 06:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::That post is a very interesting read, Bradtem, and could I think be adapted to wiki-article form with very little revision.
::Another way to go with this article, which is looking better to me all the time, would be to limit it to providing background information - everything from the rebooted article up to and including "General Factors for Consideration" - but not including any specific theories. As Bradtem points out, there is really very little to base plausible speculation on. The options all seem equally unlikely: a dead returning to the bewilderment of most viewers? Number Three having some hidden reason to ignore the fifth's presence on the basestar or in the fleet? A special copy of a Cylon model? A completely new character being offered as a satisfactory conclusion to a series-long mystery in the final episode?
::I actually have faith in the writers' narrative abilities to pull off any of the above, and to do so well, but I don't think at this point we have enough information to make plausible guesses as to what they ''will'' do. It's all "More esoteric ideas" at this point.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 22:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:::And that is the problem. RDM has told us he's left clues, and he did -- for characters now eliminated by him. All that stuff in the draft article is "could be" style speculation -- as is also the case with my post linked to above. Right now it may be that all an article can do is list the general clues (specific, dramatic or offscreen), most of which eliminate characters. The stuff about Boomer is not only another round of "isn't this suspicious" that can be applied to almost any character, but goes against two elimination clues. Right now I am hard pressed to come up with actual clues on the order of the ones I cite above for Tyrol.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 01:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Sadly, this is the problem... you've nailed it right on the head. If I may be blunt, RDM has clearly pulled a lot of things out of his ass—such as the "Final Five", and the fact that those Cylons do not have numbers—which leaves a lot of inconsistencies in the overall story, which include the inaccuracy in the number scheme (no "Number Seven"?), the whole "Cylon Resurrection Hub", and that horrendous piece of PR garbage, "The Last Supper". A lot of this show is off the cuff, and it shows ''very'' badly. Frankly, I really wish they would've called J. Michael Straczynski or some ''B5'' alumni so that the show could be properly plotted storywise. (I'd be interested to see how well this series ages in 30 years; I don't think it'll age well at all in terms of storytelling, which is very hit or miss. As you can tell, I have a very "love/hate" relationship with this series, in addition to the original.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Another, broader reboot ==

I have provided another form of reboot for the article [[Humanoid_Cylon_speculation/ColdBoot|here]]. The thrust is to constrain clues to three types I outline -- actual extrahuman events, dramatic mentions of cylonhood, and outside sources. I've largely stuck to it, though I have got one or two clues that go outside it, such as noting how Ellen's arrival with the fleet was extremely suspicious.

What I hope to remove are "clues" of the sort I've seen before, that say, "Dualla has been keeping herself close to the seats of power" and other activity which is suspicious, but not actually extrahuman or Cylon related. I've also abstained from clues of the "It would be really cool if Cally were the Cylon because Tory murdered her." While these sorts of dramatic hints may well be clues, the show is too full of them. If Dualla's not close to power, then somebody else is. So I do think it's OK to bend the rules for the extremely suspicious, or the very obviously dramatic foreshadowings.

To help people understand this more, I have included a list of the clues from the past that turned out to be real clues. They are very few, but people can add if they saw some others.

Different tone from Joe's, but let me know what you think, and if you like it, let's promote it to replace the old one. {{unsigned|Bradtem}}

: I like this one. I do thing a merging of the two is in order, since I personally believe there should be an "in-universe" POV for how the Fleet dealt with their own suspicions on who a Cylon could be (Baltar's detector, the paranoia concerns in the first season, etc.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, the basics look good, but it still needs some tweaking here and there to fine-tune sentences, points, cites and such. And please, can we stop giving so much credence to Leoben's lie in "Flesh and Bone". At least it should be mentioned that it's most likely just BS instead of some "clue". -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, absolutely. Could use more cites and some cleanup here and there. However, I do rather think the more obvious false clue should be mentioned "Adama is a Cylon", since it does lead to in-universe speculation—and rather humorously dark moments between Roslin and Adama in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

So are we just going to leave this old article up and have people keep updating it, or go with my reboot or one of the other reboots? Soon it will have been a waste of effort...--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 02:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

==Starbuck As A Cylon==

'''''However she was also physically abused as a child and still carries the scars; Cylons seem to be more robust than humans and possibly may not carry such long-term injuries. The same may be said of the knee injury which put a stop to Thrace's Pyramid playing ambitions.'''''

What about Tigh's eye? He's a Cylon and his injury hasn't healed. that's a long-term injury that he still carries.

Starbuck can have scars and still be a Cylon.

: Yes, true. Well, this whole page will face a massive rewrite after S4.5 begins airing anyway. I'm just ready to delete this page, to be honest, since it's so bad as to be funny... and that's being generous. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== After the final Cylon is revealed ==
Once the final Cylon is revealed, I feel that this article should cover the following:
*In-universe speculation within the show's storyline, such as the speculation on Baltar and Starbuck.
*Plausible clues that characters are Cylons at least one episode before they are revealed as such.
*Confirmed intentional hints that characters may be Cylons, including red herrings and remnants of abandoned plotlines.
-- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

: Sounds a lot better than what we have at present. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== You Will Know the Truth ==
I found a [http://jamesjacob77.blogspot.com/2008/11/who-is-final-cylon_29.html blog post] that links to [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/ this page on scifi.com]. They've also got a [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2319583&st=0 forum thread] on it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

== [[Zak Adama]]? ==

It's possible that Zak Adama is the final Cylon. The main reason I say this is because of [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]]'s line in [[Flesh and Bone]]: "Adama is a Cylon." I don't think that it's William Adama, Apollo, or by extension Dualla. Is this viable enough for inclusion in the article? --[[User:JemHadar359|JemHadar359]] 05:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:In this article on SyFy Portal[http://www.syfyportal.com/news425609.html], Michael Hinman claims that they have received confirmation of the identity of the final Cylon from multiple sources, and claims that the final Cylon is one of five characters listed in the article. Zak Adama is not on the list. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
: As I said before—and forgive me for soundin' like a broken record—but this article will be dead in its present (and the ColdBoot form) before the season ends anyway. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Just a feeling. . . ==

that the final cylon will be someone that there's been no speculation about. Someone right out of left field. Personally, I'd like to think it's. . . Romo Lampkin. [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 16:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== What about Number Seven? ==

Do we have any information about the existence or nonexistence of Number Seven? In many interviews and articles, it has been stated that the Final Five don't have model numbers, so it couldn't be any of them. Has the issue of Number Seven been addressed in any interviews? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
: Not yet you don't. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Galen Tyrol

2009-01-16T02:46:45Z

Bradtem: /* Notes */ Remove line wondering about 'mister' -- this is standard naval address for any subordinate, as in "Mister Roberts"

{{Character Data
|photo= Galen Tyrol.jpg
|age=Believed to be 30<ref>Tyrol stated that he has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]), and had "ten years experience" at the time of the Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]) which would make him 28 at the time. The events of the third season take place two years later. With the revelation of his Cylon nature, his evidently planted memories raise uncertainy about his true age.</ref>
|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]]
|birthname=
|callsign=
|seen= Miniseries
|death=
|parents= Allegedly an unnamed [[oracle]] (mother) and [[priest]] (father).
|siblings=
|children=[[Nicholas Tyrol]]
|marital status= Widowed, formerly married to [[Cally Tyrol]] †
|role= Former Senior NCO of the hangar deck crew, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
|rank= Specialist <ref>In [[The Face of the Enemy#Episode 10|''The Face of the Enemy'' webisode 10]], Colonel Tigh makesa reference to an upcoming meeting to discuss "''Mister'' Tyrol's" ideas. It has not yet been revealed whether this is a writer's error, or if Tyrol has been either commissioned, warranted, or discharged.</ref>
|serial= <br/> 312365<ref name="serial">The original dog tags showed a different name and serial number: "C. Tyrol ser 312365" ([http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16040&view=findpost&p=1890295 "Questions for Aaron Douglas"] messageboard Q&A with actor Aaron Douglas).</ref> <br/>409185<ref name="serial 2">Recent tag photos from the actor show the correct name but with a new serial number ([http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/45310.html The Chief's Deck fan blog]), which is also the number supplied to QMX for the dogtag replicas.</ref>
|actor= [[Aaron Douglas]]
|5cylon= y
|name= Galen Tyrol
}}
== Biography ==

=== Background ===

'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", was the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]'' before being demoted. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.

However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.

Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''.

=== Cylon Attack ===

At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).

Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.

=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===

[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]

For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement.

When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).

Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]).

Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself.

While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.

=== Kobol ===

When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]])

While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack.

When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown.

As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).

=== After Kobol ===

Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test).

Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.

As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.

Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.

After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.

=== Helo's Return ===

After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.

Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.

The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.

After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".

=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===

Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely.

Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".

[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]

===On New Caprica===

A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).

By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.

By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.

After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

===After The Second Exodus===

Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).

===Seeing the Eye===

[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.

After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
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===The life of a knuckledragger===
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]).

The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).

Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).

===Revelations===
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.

Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).

When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).

== Notes ==

*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.

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