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&lt;div&gt;Holy frak. (And that was from the first 30 minutes.) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:05, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You took the words right out of my mouth. Most excellent! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:45, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I know! Holy frakking frak. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:47, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::My Grandchildrens&#039; childeren will kmow about this episode! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:03, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Was so good... I am posting my own option.... 100 out of 10. ;-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:39, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Losses==&lt;br /&gt;
We&#039;ve said &amp;quot;dozens&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;hundreds&amp;quot;, but we should decide on one, because frankly I support &amp;quot;dozens&amp;quot;. Nobody died in Pegasus, and on New Caprica it didn&#039;t look like &amp;quot;hundreds&amp;quot; died considering that&#039;s a big number for these people. So what will it be? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:51, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:For starters, we don&#039;t know that there weren&#039;t fatalities aboard the &#039;&#039;Pegasus&#039;&#039; (people may have died from hull breaches or whatnot before Adama gave the order to abandon ship).  I do agree, however, that it was probably dozens, maybe less than a couple hundred at max (and that&#039;s stretching it, IMHO) that died planetside.  I would list &amp;quot;Losses currently unknown&amp;quot; until we start getting a fleet population count again, then work our way from there.--&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#4b0082&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#2f4f4f&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 18:10, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually, &amp;quot;unknown number&amp;quot; would work better, since we do not know specifically either way. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:45, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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With the survivor count reinstated in &amp;quot;Collaborators&amp;quot; we now know that about 2000 people died on New Caprica, both in the insurgency and the exodus.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
LDYB: 39,192 + 2,000 + 2,200 = 43,392 (2000 in the escaped civilian ships, 2200 on both half-strength battlestars)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Collaborators: 41,435&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Since there is some rounding and guessing involved anyways, &amp;quot;approximately 2000&amp;quot; seems to be the best.&lt;br /&gt;
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It can also be assumed that a couple of civilian ships were destroyed or left back on the planet, as numerous civilians are on Galactica. RDM mentioned that in the podcast as well. We just didn&#039;t see it on screen. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:16, 29 October 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Unfortunately, that covers the entire time span between LDYB2 and Collaborators, nearly five months. We can be sure that many died in the Exodus, but many of those casualties must have taken place during the occupation. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:43, 29 October 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::True, but not even a larger part of it. There wasn&#039;t &#039;&#039;that&#039;&#039; much fighting until shortly before the end. Just guessing I&#039;d say less than 300 during the occupation. That still leaves a sizeable amount of losses during the evacuation&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe a note, saying that it includes the losses during the whole occupation? It&#039;s probably the closest we&#039;ll ever get to an accurate number and far better than &amp;quot;unknown&amp;quot; --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:48, 29 October 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, please dont neglect the destruction of Cloud Nine and the other two vessels alongside - they may have had a few 1000 people on them... --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:18, 29 October 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:We haven&#039;t. See [[survivor count]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:06, 29 October 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Which Three is this Three?==&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;...Meanwhile, Baltar and [[Caprica Six]] attempt to stop [[D&#039;anna Biers]] from activating a nuclear device. After the Cylons lost control of the ground situation, the majority of the agents left on a [[Heavy Raider]] and left Biers with the responsibility of activating a nuclear device to &amp;quot;clean up&amp;quot;; however, she can&#039;t find it.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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How exactly was it detemined that this Three was the [[D&#039;anna Biers]] Three? I would argue that this three was the one that tried to have the &amp;quot;War Heroes&amp;quot; boxed in [[Downloaded]]. D&#039;anna, (assuming she died on Cloud 9, we don&#039;t know) was still alive and with the fleet according to the [[Timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
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And how did we determine that Three &amp;quot;couldn&#039;t find&amp;quot; the nuke? It appears that she made a beeline for the oracle, as presumably the nuke would be located inside the &amp;quot;green zone&amp;quot;.  [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 00:41, 23 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually, she was named as D&#039;anna by Baltar, which is pretty interesting. Somehow she must have been able to avoid being exposed by Anders for over a year, until the arrival of new resurrection facilities. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:12, 23 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Look at the &amp;quot;Number Three&amp;quot; article talk page. I posted a section on some research I did to find out which Three it was :p --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 05:59, 23 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:As interesting as this discussion is, it is more relevant for the [[Exodus, Part II]] or [[Number Three]] page rather than the page for the battle.  I&#039;m cutting down the last paragraph about this sequence for the same reason.  My rationale: once the civilian ships depart, once the basestars are destroyed/debilitated, once &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; is away, a potential squabble between Baltar and whichever Cylons happen to remain on the surface matters very little.  There is very limited militarily decisive action; it ought not get more than a cursory review in a battle summary, especially with as much as we must assume to make the description accurate. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 11:40, 23 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur with Keithustrus. Battle pages are not for episode or character narratives. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:49, 23 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Atmospheric Heating Effects==&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course it looked cool, but I am not really sure why the underside of Galactica would have been superheated as it descended toward New Caprica City the way it was protrayed in the episode.  Such superheating is not the result of free-falling through the atmosphere, but actually the result of friction with the atmosphere due to extreme velocity.  Which is precisely why skydivers do not burn up after jumping out of an airplane but space craft deorbiting (traveling initially at about 5 miles per second coming from low Earth orbit as an example) do.  Galactica jumped into the atmosphere over New Caprica City, it did not (strictly speaking) reenter the atmosphere.  It is possible, of course, that any velocity Galactica had prior to jumping was imparted to or else retained by Galactica after the jump.  However, one might be pardoned for supposing that any such velocity would have been along the ship&#039;s main  bow-to-stern axis (though this is not necessarily true), and not stright along the free fall axis the ship was clearly heating up on (i.e., from dorsal to ventral side).  I would also point out that Galactica did not appear to be traveling at a sufficient speed in its fall to cause superheating, though of course this may be the subject of debate.  Anyway, just a thought.  The dramatic effect more than made up for any possible technical inaccuracy. --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 19:08, 25 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That&#039;s a good technical error to add to one of the science articles, if the general article. &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; would have had to be moving much faster than the rate she was falling. The Space Shuttle Orbiter superheats at less than 17,000 MPH as it reenters, and its much higher. Science be damned, though--it was thoroughly badass. :)--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:42, 25 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, can you give me a suggestion as to which article(s) to bring this up in?  --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 22:59, 25 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:But don&#039;t forget, that data is based on the chemical makeup and density of our own atmosphere.  Its possible that New Caprica&#039;s atmosphere is quite a bit different than Earth&#039;s, even though it is still inhabitable.  And for all we know, FTL travel causes the surface of a vessel to heat up.  This is all hypothetical, but its justification for the appearance of the atmospheric heating. --[[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] &lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, but we have to assume that New Caprica&#039;s atmospheric makeup is at least somewhat similar to Earth normal (which carries the underlying assumption that the Colonials are used to something along those lines), or else we would notice some sort of profound difference, such as a difference in rate of combustion, sound transmission, or any number of other things. I just do not think we have any reason to believe New Caprica is any different (atmosphericaly) from any Terran-type planet.  (Probably does not hurt that they actually film the episodes on Earth. ;-)  --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 22:59, 25 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That&#039;s a good bit of study but there is another very big factor and that is the sheer size of the Galactica.  Nothing that size has ever been witnessed to enter Earth&#039;s atmosphere and the incredible mass of it adds a multiplier.  What we are seeing is a large release of energy and energy is force through a given distance and force is mass and exceleration, therefore energy = mass x acceleration x change in distance or = mass x velocity squared.  Those are 3 equal parameters to energy.  We know that the space shuttle superheats at 17,000 mph or thereabouts and lets assume that the gravity of New Caprica is equal to the gravity of Earth, that is g = 9.8 m/s^2.    Let&#039;s also assume that the distance that they dropped was 90,000 m - a guess from the dialog but really it&#039;s just a guess but what seems a theorical large enough distance for the depicted sequence of events to have occurred.  Given these parameters, if the Galactica was 654,820 times larger than the space shuttle, then it would release the same amount of energy.  (I could bore you with the math but I don&#039;t think that is necessary.  Ya&#039;ll get the idea.)  However, I am certainly willing to bet that the Galactica is many million times larger than the Space Shuttle and therefore would release many times more energy which would account for the same superheating effect seen on screen, though objects falling fair slower than the space shuttle, and of much less size cause the same superheating effect.  Case in point, the Mercury-Redstone 3 carrying Alan Sheppard to be the 1st American in space only traveled to less than 10,000 MPH (it didn&#039;t reach orbital speeds) and was 1/2000 times the size of the space shuttle and it returned superheated.  There was this super-rich dude (sorry, I can&#039;t remember his name.  I&#039;ll come back later with a site but right now I can&#039;t remember the dudes name.) who recently did a superhigh jump from .... I think it was 80,000 feet and he had to wear heat shielding to protect himself.  Again, much smaller object and starting from a relative standstill getting superheated.  Normal parachute jumpers only jump from a few hundred to a few thousand feet but no more.  You gotta face it!  The Galactica is one big ole vessel and it had to jump from a very high altitude to pull off that stunt and it doesn&#039;t move through atmo without consequences.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 23:55, 25 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Actually, I ran the math again (1st time I did it practically in my head so it was a little esque) and if I say that the Galactica is 100,000 times larger than the space shuttle dropped at the same parameters, I get 15,000 times as much energy released.  Therefore, 1 million times as large produces 150,000 times as much energy.  This is taking the Galactica starting at a rest stop (no speed relative to New Caprica) when it initially jumped into the atmosphere.  --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 00:44, 26 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think you are missing the point here: the size of the object is not the issue, it is the speed at which it is traveling. Yes, Galactica has orders of magnitude more potential energy than the Space Shuttle reentering, but most of that energy would be released upon impact with the ground, not as a result of atmospheric friction.  And I am not contending that Galactica would not have heated to some degree because of free-fall acceleration: it clearly would. (As indeed spacecraft do upon launch, just not nearly to the degree they do upon reentry where they have to use drag to *entirely* eliminate their orbital velocity.) Whether it would heat it to that degree or cause that level of damage is another question entirely.  And there simply is no question that Galactica was traveling anywhere near 17,500 mile per hour or even the 10,000 miles per hour of a suborbital Alan Shepard-type loft.  Those speeds are blindingly fast, and Galactica simply was not going that fast based on the video evidence.  I lack the math physics to prove it, but I also suspect Galactica&#039;s terminal velocity within an atmosphere would also be far, far under the figures necessary to cause deorbit-type heating.  Just my two cents. :) --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 12:12, 26 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks for you 2 cents.  It&#039;s hard to say without actually doing the math (It&#039;s definitely a good science experiment for a Physics 101 course) and nobody here can say &amp;quot;Oh, yeah, this is the answer&amp;quot; cuz nobody has ever scene a 2,000,000,000,000 KG drop from that height.  But my point is the number of zeroes that are in the mass of the Galactica and I&#039;ve scene superheating events in significantly smaller objects.   A mass with that many zeroes is just as important a factor as how fast it is going.  --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:28, 26 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Been a long time since taking physics, but let me throw in my two cents.  Start with the basics: terminal velocity.  If something goes faster than that, it&#039;s drag slows it until it reaches that speed.  Drag = heat.  Let&#039;s assume, based on the info [[wikipedia:terminal velocity|here at Wikipedia]] and [[wikipedia:Reentry|here]], that Galactica has terribly more drag than a skydiver or peregrine falcon.  I&#039;ll guess it&#039;s TV is something like...pure guess...150km/h.  This, btw, is 93mph or .04 km/s, absolutely nothing compared to the speeds that a ship would be travelling outside of an atmosphere.  Here&#039;s the main question: &#039;&#039;&#039;after jumping, does Galactica begin with an initial velocity, relative to the planet, of 0, or does it maintain its inertial velocity?&#039;&#039;&#039;   Wikipedia: &amp;quot;An approximate rule-of-thumb used by heat shield designers for estimating peak shock layer temperature is to assume the air temperature in Kelvins to be equal to the entry speed in meters per second. For example, a spacecraft entering the atmosphere at 7.8 km/s would experience a peak shock layer temperature of 7800 K.&amp;quot;  So, if Galactica started from a complete stop, it&#039;s shock layer temperature would be 42K, which I don&#039;t have to tell you is not going to light anything on fire.  Because there was fire and all that stuff, I&#039;m going to assume they were travelling at thousands of mph.  My conclusion: &#039;&#039;&#039;when ships jump, they maintain their Newtonian momentum,&#039;&#039;&#039; which makes sense, when you think about it. It seems like the ship could have been saved a lot of wear and tear if it had manually stopped, then jumped.  That way, it would fall at *only* its TV, and be subject to not much heat.  . . . . . but I&#039;m an amateur.  Any experts around? - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 13:22, 26 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Keithustus, Great analysis!  However, you guess for TV I think is way off.  TV is not a constant.  It is a variable that has many parameters, one of which in the numerator is Mass.  Therfore, the larger the Mass, the larger the TV.  The impression the show gave is that it started from a standstill, what Galactica did was like a skydive.  So I can make a comparison with a famous skydiver, [[wikipedia:Joseph Kittinger|Joseph Kittinger]].  In 1961, he jumped from a helium balloon at 102,800 feet (31,300 m) and reached a TV of 618 MPH (994 km/h), or mach 0.9.  Since Galactica is 2,000,000,000 times more massive than he was, the TV should be considerably larger.  Of course not 2,000,000,000 because the Galactica&#039;s cross-sectional area is also far far greater and that&#039;s in the denominator so without actually numbers, I can&#039;t say for sure the balance of the 2.  But I think the TV is going to be more in the range of 1000s rather than 100s of km/h.  Again, a guess though.  The &amp;quot;reentry shock&amp;quot; effect isn&#039;t a factor because the Galactica is skydiving.  It&#039;s not a question of bringing the Galactica to a rest before jumping but more of a case of Galactica matching the velocity of New Caprica as all objects in space are in motion.  Before Galactica jumped, my guess is that they measured the planets vectoral velocity through its orbit around the star and attempted to match it as close as possible before jumping to allow it to enter its atmosphere at a zero velocity relative to New Caprica which would give it the best chance of pulling off its manuever.  But all motion through atmosphere causes heat, how much heat is the question.  All aircraft travelling above the speed of sound experience some degree of air compressional superheating along their bows, not enough to cause fire, but heating none the less.  --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 14:12, 26 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m back.  First, I apologize if removing all the tab-tab-tab-tabbing throws anyone off, but it was wasting a lot of room so I replaced each tab depth with a line of whitespace and two alternating tab depths.  So, here&#039;s what I did:&lt;br /&gt;
#Determine size, displacement, and then determined density of &#039;&#039;[[wikipedia:Akula class submarine|Akula]]&#039;&#039;-class submarine, the world&#039;s largest.  It worked out to be 994 kg/m3, with a full load.&lt;br /&gt;
#Determined far larger volume of a [[Mercury class battlestar]], using its specified dimensions.  Alright, here&#039;s the first big overestimate: I used the same density for the Battlestar as for the sub.  The density of the sub ought to be far higher than that of the Battlestar, &#039;&#039;because I used the maximum distance of each dimension, as if the battlestar was a rectangular prism.&#039;&#039;  Clearly, it&#039;s not, so this will give us an overestimated, and thus, safer, result.  Using the same mass, which, as I said, is far higher probably than it should, the mass of &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; becomes ...within a significant digit or two of... 140,000,000,000 kg.&lt;br /&gt;
#Now to the equation: TV = Sqrt( (2 * mass * gravity) / (coefficient of friction * cross section * density of air) )&lt;br /&gt;
:*2 is 2.  Easy&lt;br /&gt;
:*mass is 1.4 x 10^11, as above&lt;br /&gt;
:*gravity....a bit of research indicates that it only lowers slightly, with it at 9.8 where we live, and 9.7 at the fringes of what is generally considered to be the atmosphere.  I&#039;ll go with 9.75...minor flub.&lt;br /&gt;
:*coefficient of friction is hard....it is normally determined experimentally with a wind tunnel, but there are some computer programs that can do it for you, if you have the time, expertise, and precision.  On the other hand, the battlestar as shown was kind of like a flat disc falling flat on its face, which has a coefficient of 1.3.  Works for me.  FYI, airplanes usually are in the .05 to .2 range, cars in .2 to .4, a smooth curved surface at 1.  They don&#039;t really list a lot of things over 1.3, though...not worth flying I guess.&lt;br /&gt;
:*cross section.  multipy length times width from specifications.  784770 m^2.  Easy&lt;br /&gt;
:*atmospheric density.  It&#039;s like 1.3 kg/m^3 near sea level, and is somewhat less than 1 high up.  1 sounds fine for me.  We&#039;re just hoping within a significant digit, after all.&lt;br /&gt;
:4. Put all the numbers in the formula.  Now, before the answer comes, remember that this is a right rectangular prism with a density matching that of a Russian submarine, and thus weighs probably 4-8 times what it ought, and that the friction is different in who knows what ways...my cheap estimates put the &amp;quot;block Battlestar&amp;quot; hitting a maximum velocity of &#039;&#039;&#039;1635 m/s, or 1.6 km/s, or 3,657 mph...JUST UNDER MACH 5&#039;&#039;&#039; (at sea level).  Yikes!  Given all the overestimating, I&#039;d round it down to mach 4, maybe 3.5, who knows?  Either way, who wants to put money on something built for combat damage to accept heat/turbulance stress at that eventual speed?  I&#039;m sold on them carefully match the rotation of the planet as suggested above...but I really don&#039;t have the time right now to determine how long it would take or what distance would be covered while reaching that speed (the air resistance really throws off those high-school equations).  I&#039;ve hit the edge of my grasping at this.  Hope this has been entertainin and maybe not too uneducational. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 18:26, 26 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Keithustus, that was very beautiful, I have to hand it to you.  Wonderful!  That must of taken you a little bit of time to come up with all those numbers.  I&#039;m looking it over and I like how you given leaway for error and I will take that TV of Sealevel Mach 4 to 5.  It&#039;s about an imaginary spacecraft so we can make our own assumptions.  So with this TV, we can now determine heat energy released by superheating friction with the atmosphere and that&#039;s another set of equations.....--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:19, 26 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Or we could assume that FTL travel superheats the hull of a ship, and that caused the effect.  Makes it much easier to swallow. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 08:36, 27 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==A New Piece of Information About Galactica==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems like everyones talking about what Galactica&#039;s TV may or may not be, but to me the more interesting piece of information we can learn from the battle is that apparently, Galactica isn&#039;t designed to land on a planet&#039;s surface.  Firstly, it lacks any sort of vertical thrusters, secondly, its surface seemed to not respond well to the head of re-entry, thirdly, Galactica has no apparent landing struts or similar devices.  Also, we learn that many of the ships in the colonial fleet CAN land.  Well actually we learned this earlier in LDYB, but now we also learn that they can take off.  From all of this we can infer that Galactica was built, or at least assembled entirely in space, where it is born, lives, fights, and dies.  --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 15:14, 3 November 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi, Antagonist. It&#039;s not entirely new information; Gaeta alludes to this when Adama suggests going to Kobol himself, thinking that Adama meant taking the battlestar intraatmosphere ([[Home, Part II]]). I can&#039;t think of where any stats of the ship ever said it was a true spaceship, however, these also are not new; the remnants of the Fleet orbiting [[New Caprica]] in [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] also apparently lacked landing ability. Yes, it&#039;s most likely that all battlestars are forever spaceborne. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:44, 3 November 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Galactica Battle Scars==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it just me but I have seen that the hull of Galactica looks almost black from the battle. There was a shot of the ship passing by that had a great view of the damage. --[[User:Bowersj8|Bowersj8]] 11:14, 8 November 2006 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Want to start a petition to see if anyone can build the [[Space Park]] for real.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: /* Galactica&amp;#039;s atmospheric insertion */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/01/index.htm&lt;br /&gt;
Click on this link and scroll down to see scenes from the Exodus episodes.  My favorite is the last one at the bottom which shows Zarek and Roslin plsticuffed together.  Hopefully they&#039;ll start to get along soon.  --ltcrashdown October 3rd, 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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== My Prediction ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And it shouldn&#039;t be a big surprise, but I have to state it for the record:&lt;br /&gt;
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Battlestar &#039;&#039;Pegasus&#039;&#039; makes its last appearance today. I think it will be used to ram a basestar or two to save &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039;, which puts up a good fight but is getting outmatched.&lt;br /&gt;
My prediction doesn&#039;t come from anything but from the gut, but it should be interesting if it comes true. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:53, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m hoping that it doesnt get destroyed, seeing as that would kill Lee Adama and far too many other people - if this happened, people would switch off. I&#039;m predicting that it&#039;ll save the day at the last second. If you think about it, Lee Adama was ordered to stay behind with the fleet and continue the search for earth. I&#039;m betting that he does the usual thing of going against orders, jumping back anyway at the last second and launches a nuke or two at a basestar.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 17:37, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Since when does people&#039;s opinions become spoiler text?  :P  --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:05, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Spoiler policy is suspended on talk, but sometimes people get bummed to read them here, so it&#039;s a courtesy. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:58, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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YES! Nailed it! Nailed it! Hail to the king, baby! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:47, 20 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Hallowed are the Ori... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 00:06, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Wow, Spence. Calling the second one was impressive. --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 09:55, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Is this a clue? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When Starbuck gets back to Galactica with the kid, and the supposed mother sees it, and latches on, she says either &amp;quot;Gods bless you&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;GOD bless you&amp;quot;, and after watching it about 5 times on my TiVo, I&#039;m leaning towards GOD, singular, and perhaps a clue that this lady is not who she claims. I mean, if that really is a hybrid, then it would be valuable enough to pull such a move just to get it out of Colonial hands. &lt;br /&gt;
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Also, if it weren&#039;t for horrible interior design, I&#039;d rather Galactica had been boned, and they all just moved into Pegasus and renamed it Galactia-A or something. If it weren&#039;t for the lame bridge, it&#039;d be a much better ship.&lt;br /&gt;
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: The assumption is reasonable -- however, I believe it is extremely likely that the woman is who she claims to be. Also, given the horrible success rate at Cylon farms, it is likely that Kacey was indeed a ruse to get Thrace to love Conoy. Once Conoy had Thrace&#039;s love, their love would lead to the next step. As for the &amp;quot;God&amp;quot; versus &amp;quot;Gods&amp;quot; thing.... also, it&#039;s been indicated that the Colonials have varying faiths, and some don&#039;t necessarily believe in the Sacred Scrolls, Pythia and all that jazz. Also, it wouldn&#039;t be &#039;&#039;Battlestar Galactica&#039;&#039; without &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039;... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 00:01, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not to mention that you have to give Tyrol &#039;&#039;something&#039;&#039; to do on the flightline.  Why, if he were on the &#039;&#039;Pegasus&#039;&#039;, unable to go spastic about not holding the Vipers together with bubblegum and baling wire, and just could wish another one up from the manufacturing plants aboard the newer ship, who knows how many kids he and Cally might end up with by the time they get to Earth?  ^_^--&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#4b0082&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#2f4f4f&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 01:05, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Tyrol now has a lot more Vipers and Raptors to look after. Poor Cally.....--[[User:Barry|Barry]] 07:44, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I thought your observation was interesting so I pulled up the episode again and watched that part.  Kasey&#039;s new mother distinctly says &amp;quot;gods&amp;quot; with a hard, unmistakable &amp;quot;s&amp;quot;. [[User:Silsor|Silsor]] 00:24, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Plus, why would they introduce a new Cylon so casually?  The recent Cylons (Biers, Simon, Cavil) each had complex introductions.  - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 01:17, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Totally said &amp;quot;gods&amp;quot;...first time I heard it...absolutly positive.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 10:18, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screencaps Posted ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:md:User:Shane/gallery|Here]]. Enjoy. I surely did. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 03:51, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You misspelt &amp;quot;atmosphere&amp;quot; in a couple of them --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:44, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I like your screengrabs! Holy cow -- what a great episode; especially the part where Galactica jumps in low and provides that &amp;quot;firing solution&amp;quot; for the team. There was even a cool easter egg -- Did anyone else notice the &amp;quot;Pan Am&amp;quot; logo on the bottom of one of the ships leaving New Caprica? --[[User:Scooper|Scooper]] 10:28, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;Easter egg?&amp;quot;  Sounds like another case of the Craftsman tool lockers. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 11:54, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::That&#039;s probably the [[Pan Galactic]] ship, its been in the fleet all the way back to the Miniseries. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:36, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The logo is indeed nearly the same, but the name seems to be different. It has more than 5 letters. Maybe &amp;quot;Pan Gal&amp;quot; --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:05, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Where does this question go? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Earlier today, I posted a question in the Questions section about why the DRADIS displays on both battlestars were inexplicably clear of the nebula&#039;s interference, but it was deleted.  Is there a more appropriate place for it? --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 21:00, 21 October 2006 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi, BR. That&#039;s a valid question. Before the Cylon fleet discovered New Caprica, Dualla was commenting how hard it was to see anything in the nebula, and they were in orbit. Now, in this episode, both sides appeared to be using DRADIS without issue from the interference. Me senses a [[Continuity errors (RDM)|continuity error]]. You can re-add the question here (note my winded explanation) or add to the continuities article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:40, 21 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: A bit annoying to have a question posted and suddenly deleted. Might I suggest deleting other editor&#039;s questions and comments be expressly prohibited? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 02:47, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Reaching a concenus and corlaberation is the wiki&#039;s primary goal. Sometimes authros disagree, so usually once something is removed and someone things it should say, bring it up on the talk page is the proper course of action to dicuss the matter further. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 03:23, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Galactica&#039;s atmospheric insertion ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven&#039;t been able to double check but I&#039;m pretty sure Helo read off their altitude as &amp;quot;900,000.&amp;quot;  Now IIRC, the Colonials use metric so that would be meters.  In other words, they were 600 miles off the deck.  So I&#039;m pretty sure I misheard that.&lt;br /&gt;
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But even factoring for editing and such, I&#039;m pretty sure they took some dramatic lisence with the freefall time. &lt;br /&gt;
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RDM said they were going to try to keep the physics real, and this is peanut stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;s=v_{i}t+\frac{at^{2}}{2}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;v_i=0&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; because theyare starting from rest, so freefall time given by &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\sqrt{\frac{2s}{a}}=t&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
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If that does give you enough time to for your scene, set the intial hight higher.&lt;br /&gt;
Uh... why isn&#039;t my math working?&lt;br /&gt;
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: I&#039;ll check on that... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 13:27, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You&#039;re assuming they came in with no initial velocity, but as we&#039;ve seen with various Raptor scenes, velocity is carried through a jump. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:30, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It was Captain Kelly, and he reads their altitude as &amp;quot;99,000 and falling like a rock&amp;quot;. That&#039;s roughly 61 and a half miles up, which is &#039;&#039;frakking&#039;&#039; high. Seems a little &#039;&#039;too&#039;&#039; high, don&#039;t you think? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:56, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Even in the metric world, aviation uses feet for altitude. 99k feet would be 30km, or 18-ish miles, which would fit the bill rather nicely, given the size of the Galactica. --[[User:Ijdod|Ijdod]] 15:34, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:We&#039;ve also seen pressure gauges in PSI (pounds per square inch). So it isn&#039;t all metric. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:31, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I was going to mention that, but I was hungry and I forgot :( 99k feet was what I took it to mean when I heard it initially. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:51, 22 October 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m Thinking that a ship of that size and mass could even survive all of the forces at work from a fall like that, what is it almost a Km and a haft long and a haft a Km wide. It&#039;s mass must in the 5 to 10,000,000 metric tons. I can&#039;y even think of the rate in witch it was falling. --[[Usr:Bowersj8|Bowersj8]] 5:29, 22 October 2006 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
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		<updated>2006-10-07T15:44:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
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Want to start a petition to see if anyone can build the [[Space Park]]for real.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Season 3 Guide</title>
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| height=&amp;quot;10&amp;quot; align=&amp;quot;center&amp;quot; | 01&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Occupation]] ([[Talk:Occupation|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| October 6, 2006&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot; | [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Number Three talking.jpg|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
|- class=&amp;quot;infoboxheader&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
| colspan=&amp;quot;3&amp;quot; valign=&amp;quot;top&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Summary&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt; &#039;&#039;The Colonials survive on [[New Caprica]] under Cylon rule, with some collaborating and others fighting back.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Quote&#039;&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;br/&amp;gt; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;N/A&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; -- N/A&lt;br /&gt;
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| height=&amp;quot;10&amp;quot; align=&amp;quot;center&amp;quot; | 01.5&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Precipice]] ([[Talk:Precipice|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| October 6, 2006&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot; | [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - C-Number Eight, Adama, Helo.jpg|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
|- class=&amp;quot;infoboxheader&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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| height=&amp;quot;10&amp;quot; align=&amp;quot;center&amp;quot; | 02&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Exodus, Part I]] ([[Talk:Exodus, Part I|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| October 13, 2006&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot; | [[Image:Roslinanders-Exodus.jpg|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| height=&amp;quot;10&amp;quot; align=&amp;quot;center&amp;quot; | 03&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Exodus, Part II]] ([[Talk:Exodus, Part II|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| October 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Collaborators]] ([[Talk:Collaborators|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| TBA&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Torn]] ([[Talk:Torn|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[A Measure of Salvation]] ([[Talk:A Measure of Salvation|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| TBA&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Hero]] ([[Talk:Hero|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| TBA&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Unfinished Business]] ([[Talk:Unfinished Business|Talk]])&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: /* In favor of a policy against citing KR as a primary source */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Citation Consistency ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Zoic&amp;quot; is a name that sounds like what Shaggy from &amp;quot;Scooby Doo&amp;quot; would make when surprised, I think.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite being the special effects company for the series, I wonder how much of their information still holds weight. I noticed that Peter gave neither negative or positive weight to this source. As we go through pages, two issues are going to crop up, of which one may need to move to the Standards page.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Consistent and useful &#039;&#039;&#039;visual&#039;&#039;&#039; separation and identification of TOS and RDM information and characters. I find the mingling of TOS and RDM data in the same article confusing and lengthens an article unnecessarily. More germane to this project, it will also keep RDM and TOS stats from cohabitating and confusing the citation process.&lt;br /&gt;
* We need to cite official sources for TOS information on the project page, keeping in mind this wiki is for both series. There are surely more TOS fan sites than RDM, and things like games, fan fiction and the like over the years have surely diluted what is official and not.&lt;br /&gt;
* The level of detail or a standard of detail on technical pages needs some kind of governor. At which point is something being reasonable in description (such as &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;s&#039;&#039; rail guns) or is embellishment or technobabble that just gives fan service (like &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; uses a BFG-3244 Rail Gun with Strapless Attachment&amp;quot;)? I&#039;d be more strict on this info than any other since tech is tech and such &amp;quot;facts&amp;quot; should not be different from what is seen on screen.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think color coding article titles to identify TOS and RDM pages (rather than using &amp;quot;TOS&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;RDM&amp;quot;) may be better on the eye. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:05, 29 September 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I intended Zoic to fall under point 3, for &amp;quot;crew&amp;quot; - ie, of roughly the same reliability as that interview where Lorena Gale talked about how Elosha used to do &amp;quot;a lot of drugs&amp;quot;. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:21, 29 September 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I believe the actual word is spelled thus: ZOIKS! Caps are not optional. ;) --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:21, 10 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Request for name change==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am uncomfortable with the use of the term &amp;quot;Jihad&amp;quot;.  I would rather we use the term &amp;quot;Crusade&amp;quot;, or perhaps &amp;quot;Inquisition&amp;quot;; I think &amp;quot;Inquisition&amp;quot; is best (i.e. Spanish Inquisition [no one suspects the Inquisition!] b/c it&#039;s rooting out unsourced information). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13 October, 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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:Striving for accuracy certainly has better overtones than any use of &amp;quot;crusade&amp;quot;, and &amp;quot;inquisition&amp;quot; has draconian connotations. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:11, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I, uh, don&#039;t get Peter&#039;s post. Does that means he agrees or doesn&#039;t? Anyway, I&#039;m fine with Jihad because it implies a religeous devotion and a fanaticism that I think could be, sarcastically, applied to the purpose of this project. However, I&#039;m also fine with Inquisition because it implies a religeous devotion and a fanaticism that I think... You can see where I&#039;m going with this, no? Also, the Spanish Inquisition sketch is my favorite Monty Python sketch in the history of Monty Python&#039;s being viewed by me. And I&#039;d love for my comments on changing citation errors (if I ever see any, because I&#039;m bad at seeing them) to be &amp;quot;Our chief weapon is Fear. Fear and surprise. Our TWO chief weapons are fear, surprise and a fanatical devotion to citation. Ah. Our THREE chief weapons are: Fear, surprise, a--&amp;quot; You get the idea.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I find it interesting that the name and the two proposed substitutes are all tied to religeon? We could have a Citation Rampage. Or a Citation Mosh Pit. Heh. Maybe we should be the Ministry of Citation. I always liked ministries. We would then address each other as &amp;quot;Minister Day&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Minister Farago&amp;quot;, etc. Or maybe one of you can come up with a more [[Wikipedia:Nineteen Eighty-Four|Orwellian]] name. That would be cool. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:52, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::To clarify: I like Citation Jihad. I came up with it, after all... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:08, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: &amp;quot;Jihad&amp;quot;, in this context, does indeed present - shall we say - disconcerting ramifications for those of us who are not Christian. While humurous to most of us (I hate to splash cold water) the casual use of such a revered term amongst a potential audience of Islamic adherrants is a wee bit less than delicate... especially in light of the suspicion many perfectly native or naturalized citizens of Mid-Eastern descent faced immediately subsequent to 9/11... and the suspicion they currently face every time they reenter the U.S.&lt;br /&gt;
:::: While rather fascinating that we should find ourselves encountering a problem delt with in more artfull ways in our favorite television program, it is nevertheless significant (dare I say important) that we handle this question of naming with a sense of diplomacy. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:12, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I was unsettled--albeit briefly--with the name initially, but I&#039;m not into political correctness. &amp;quot;Jihad&amp;quot; is correct in definition. Currently, however, some take the word with the same emotional charge as Muslims would hear &amp;quot;Crusade,&amp;quot; since, essentially in the context of past conflicts between Christians and Muslins at war, both signify a religious purge. In any case, the term sites a religious note that might sour some.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::But before you knock Peter for his choice, consider our subject matter: &amp;quot;Battlestar Galactica&amp;quot; is  a morality play in the tradition of the original Star Trek series, which addresses in allegory the Muslim/Judeo-Christian issue present through current terrorism against the West as well as the Israel/Palestine conflict by using the Humano-Cylon/Human and God/Lords of Kobol issue. If nothing else, the use of the term &amp;quot;Jihad&amp;quot; in its purest form is actually appropriate and striking so for this Wiki. Don&#039;t let the Al Qaeda terrorists or other extremists make you afraid of a word when in fact, it is THEY that slur it from its true meaning. Peter has always shown a concise use of words that has little to no ambiguity--I should know since he frequently slices my edits to their essence when I use too many words. I&#039;ll back up Peter on this one. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:43, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Taking these points into account, I would greatly prefer &amp;quot;Inquisition&amp;quot; over &amp;quot;Jihad&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Crusade&amp;quot;.  -- Ricimer, October 14, 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Good point. And very nicely said I might add. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 13:10, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::: I hope you don&#039;t mind, Watcher, I indented your previous post one more. Anyway, I like Johad fine. I actually find it kind of refreshing to use it for something that&#039;s &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; violent. I&#039;m not Muslim, so I can&#039;t speak to that. However, as an American I don&#039;t feel, I dunno, threatened by the name, or anything. When I first saw it, it gave me pause, but that pause was me thinking, &amp;quot;Whew. Someone&#039;s probably gonna throw a fit about that one.&amp;quot; --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:13, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Well I&#039;m sorry but I do and I have.  What&#039;s the consensus on this?  --Ricimer, October 13, 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::Not a problem Day. I think there might have been an unintentional slip during one of the edits (notice the time/date stamps) but I seem to constantly screw this detail up anyway. Feel free. I may read as insufferably serious but I assure you that&#039;s not the case. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 16:50, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::: Good deal, Watcher. Anyway... I was about to make a post about not wanting anyone to feel threatened by this project, but I find I have to revise that. I don&#039;t want &#039;&#039;members&#039;&#039; of the project to feel threatened by the name. I hope people who don&#039;t cite sources are scared witless of us. ;) Anyway, as much as I like using Jihad, I tend to like to not offend reasonable people, so I&#039;d be okay with a change, I guess. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:21, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::::: A note on nesting - if Watcher was replying to Spencerian, not Ricimer, it should be indented to the level of Spencerian&#039;s comment + 1, not Ricimer&#039;s + 1. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:42, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::::: Ah. Good to know. I shall endeavour to remember this. --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:47, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Votes===&lt;br /&gt;
We need to come to some kind of consensus, I think. So, first, is to change or not change. If we decide to change, then we can quibble over what to change to. Place your name under the appropriate heading.&lt;br /&gt;
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====No Change====&lt;br /&gt;
# --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:14, 23 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
# --Not afraid of words when used properly. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:56, 23 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
# --Name doesn&#039;t bother me. [[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:46, 23 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
# --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:51, 24 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
# --Ditto Spencerian. Let&#039;s not fear words when used properly. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:28, 27 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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====Change====&lt;br /&gt;
# Reluctantly --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 06:30, 23 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
# Wholeheartedly --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 09:46, 23 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
# Normally I don&#039;t care about words, but I have to admit, that in today&#039;s world, some words have become too negatively charged. --[[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 14:30, 23 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
# Wholeheartedly --[[User:Lone Odessan|Lone Odessan]] 19:36, 23 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
== BSG: The Magazine ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw [http://www.titanmagazines.com/titanmag/app;jsessionid=57DACB1E3C47F38A718593747C30F921?service=direct/1/HomeUS/$NavigationBar.$DirectLink$2&amp;amp;sp=S8 this] on the news stand at Fry&#039;s and thought it was worth picking up an issue to see what was in it. I&#039;ve so far read a whole of two pages, so I don&#039;t know much about it, except that it has an article on Pyramid that was interesting. Does anyone else know anything about this magazine? How reliable is it? I&#039;m going to edit the Pyramid article with some things that are revealed about the rules. How should I cite this, exactly? I&#039;m gonna go with page numbers and title for now. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:24, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Given that we haven&#039;t had much about the RDM show in print, I&#039;d carefully use it to compare to the canonical stuff we have. If things are consistent, I&#039;d say it&#039;s a reliable source since I strongly suspect that USA/Universal may have to sign off on its content. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:58, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I say we put it on level 4, (sci-fi and skyone websites), provisionally.  --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:41, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Correction. The title is &#039;&#039;Battlestar Galactica, the Official Magazine&#039;&#039; even thought the words are not in that order on the cover. And, I must say, the thing was really clumsily edited. There are missing periods, &#039;and&#039; for &#039;a&#039;, &#039;their&#039; for &#039;they&#039;re&#039;, tense mixing, Obvious typos. Yech. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:04, 14 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Citation Format==&lt;br /&gt;
Also, we should choose a citation format and stick with it. Opinions? MLA, APA, Chicago? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:41, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Damn it, Peter. I knew you were a student. You&#039;re going to force me to dig up a book or stand with the kids at the college bookstore, aren&#039;t you? :) [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:50, 13 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Are you kidding? I just graduated and never once bought a book on citation. All that can be [http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/legacylib/mlahcc.html found] [http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/workshop/citmla.htm on] [[Wikipedia:APA style|the]] [http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/research/r_mla.html net]. I&#039;ve only ever used MLA style before, however, I&#039;d be willing, given the nature of web pages, to use something that just had footnotes with numbering. There was some tool Wikipedia has for this that I read about, but I don&#039;t remember much about it except that it seemed cool. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:06, 14 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I would find MLA with numbered footnotes ideal. For &amp;quot;personal communication&amp;quot;, we would do well to follow [[User:MASON|MASON]]&#039;s example of including them in subpages, such as [[Mercury class battlestar/Sources]] (That should be linked to from the main article text, however.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:16, 14 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Joe also mentioned possibly that we should scan things. What kinds of things? And, I assume those should go on a Sources page, too, neh? I think for whatever&#039;s on the sources page, we could do the foot note like this: (3) Personal communication (&#039;&#039;or whatever relevant info&#039;&#039;). See &#039;&#039;link to Sources page&#039;&#039;. I also think Sources pages should have a link back. WHat do y&#039;all think? --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:25, 14 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:14, 14 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::By scans, I mean scans of publication articles and so forth.  Scans should not be of the whole article but a snippet of the applicable text that was cited (enough to qualify as fair use).  Also, as for linking the sources subpage, I created a template, {{tl|source}} that can be placed next to the applicable information.  The template automatically links to the Source subpage. (Format: Article title/Sources.) Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:16, 14 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::: How does that work, then, Joe? The syntax, I mean? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:29, 18 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Character Ages==&lt;br /&gt;
Character ages across the site appear to be based on the age of the actors who play them. This would normally be reasonable, but the Timeline of BSG does not match the progress of time in the real world - the characters have aged at most three and a half months in the same time that their actors have aged two years. Since we can&#039;t infer ages more accurately than a casual visitor could be glancing at a character photograph, I would rather this information simply not be included. Opinions? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:45, 15 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur. --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:57, 17 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Another thought: Ages are hard to pin down... I mean, we might learn that it is someones XXth birthday in some future episode. Wonderful. However, it&#039;s somewhat meaningless. An &amp;quot;Age&amp;quot; attribute in the template needs to be &amp;quot;as of&amp;quot; some date. Right now we use the Holocost as that date, but we&#039;re no longer exactly certain how far ago that was. So, if it&#039;s Cally&#039;s, say, 25th or whatever birthday in the episode after next... how old was she at the Holocost? 24, or so, I guess, but you see my point? I think the best solution, and perhaps this should be brought up on the characters project page, too, is to make the &amp;quot;Age&amp;quot; attribute on the template hide-able and then blank everyone&#039;s age out unless we know explicitly a number. I also think we should say it thusly: Age: 23 (as of [[Scattered]]) --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:50, 27 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Railguns==&lt;br /&gt;
From the &#039;&#039;Official Magazine&#039;&#039; issue #1, p. 60: &amp;quot;Every Battlestar class warship has 24 primary railgun turrets as well as over 500 point defense turrets at its disposal.&amp;quot; I don&#039;t have access to a scanner to prove that it says that, so you&#039;ll have to take my word on it. I&#039;m not saying this is indisputable proof, but that it&#039;s maybe more than fanon, anyway. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:46, 18 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The magazine is wrong. Based on on-screen evidence, the large turrets on &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; cannot be [[railgun]]s unless we drastically redefine the very idea. This certainly trumps throwaway technobabble in a fan magazine. IMO, the only thing that should give us pause is if a character on the show specifically refers to them as railguns, which hasn&#039;t happened yet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:51, 18 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Okay. I&#039;ll buy that. I bet that what&#039;s actually going on here is that someone somewhere who makes these desicions doesn&#039;t, actually, know what the heck they&#039;re talking about. I mean... What&#039;re we to do if someone busts out a ray gun and says, &amp;quot;This shoots a red lazer!&amp;quot; and then, *zap*, it&#039;s green? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:27, 18 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Oops. Ya did it now. Let&#039;s just hope TNS&#039; writers don&#039;t become overwhelmed by the details and go the way of Space 1999. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:24, 18 October 2005 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Twelve Lords of Kobol==&lt;br /&gt;
Ricimer stated in his edit summary: &amp;quot;It has been stated numerous times that there are 12 Lords of Kobol&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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This statement is true if by &amp;quot;numerous times&amp;quot; you mean &amp;quot;never&amp;quot;. I&#039;ve been over all the episode transcripts and found nothing. On this page, of all places, you should provide a source before deleting a comment. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:54, 11 November 2005 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Magazine Content==&lt;br /&gt;
Ltcrashdown, thank you for your informative additions to [[Saul Tigh]] and other articles. However, for them to stand, we need to do two things:&lt;br /&gt;
#Make certain that we are &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; quoting the magazine word-for-word, or that where we feel compelled to do so, we set the text off and cite it directly.&lt;br /&gt;
#In general, any information from the magazine needs to be cited as well. To do this, we need to know some of the publication information, including:&lt;br /&gt;
#*The publication&#039;s name&lt;br /&gt;
#*The article&#039;s author&lt;br /&gt;
#*The article&#039;s title&lt;br /&gt;
#*Date and issue number&lt;br /&gt;
#*Pages referenced&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for helping to keep Battlestar Wiki accurate. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:50, 1 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Where do I place this information in the area where I quote it in Tigh&#039;s article? --Ltcrashdown 23:05, 1 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I will be happy to show you the proper format if you can provide the above information. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:15, 1 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Here is everything I referenced from the Magazine in the articles I altered. --Ltcrashdown 23:25, 1 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Publication: Battlestar Gallactica the Official Magazine #3&lt;br /&gt;
:::Feb/Mar 2006&lt;br /&gt;
:::The Tigh info, Rising Star refence to Picon, and Battlestar Athena came from the article named &#039;Cylon Intelligence Report: Personnel File: Saul Tigh, Page 62&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::The Alert Fighters and Colonial Day information came from the article named &#039;Cylon Intelligence Report: Galactica Glossary page 60&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::The Colors for the Colonies comes from &#039;Encyclopedia Galactica pages 50-55&#039;.  I also compared it to information in Battlestar Galactica The Official Companion.&lt;br /&gt;
:::There were no authors listed for any of the articles.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Can you post quotes here containing the relevant details? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:29, 1 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I am familiar with the magazine, and feel that we should *provisionally* allow information from the &amp;quot;encyclopedia&amp;quot; stuff at the end, but I also *suspect* that they make that stuff up without input from RDM.  I don&#039;t know.  It is the &amp;quot;Official&amp;quot; magazine.  Should be on the same level as info from Scifi.com (which has been known to be wrong, etc.)  HOWEVER, things that are straightfoward &amp;quot;interviews&amp;quot; which are a simple transcript of an interview; hard to argue that (like when actors reveal insights about their character based on stuff from the series bible we didn&#039;t know before).  --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:35, 1 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Actually, I just saw that the magazine claims that Colonial Day is a biannual holiday; First, where would they get that idea? Second, Ron D. Moore &#039;&#039;stated&#039;&#039; in his blog that it is &amp;quot;not a biannual holiday; it&#039;s an annual holiday held every year&amp;quot;.  I wonder why someone got the idea to ask that.  Etc.  So it&#039;s now known to be not entirely accurate.  --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:40, 1 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I&#039;ll try to post everything I found word-for-word. --Ltcrashdown 23:43, 1 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;Colony: Aerelon&#039; is a listing under the personnel file indicating his planet of origin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Tigh&#039;s history specificaly says, &#039;Saul Tigh entered the fleet as a deckhand but rose through the ranks and was a CPO (Chief Petty Officer) by the time the First Cylon War broke out.&#039; Ltaer it reads, &#039;Tigh joined the Colonial Officer Candidate School and was reassigned as a Viper pilot, something he excelled in, earning a string of medals in his post aboard the Battlestar Athena.&#039; This is the only refence to the Battlestar Athena.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Tigh&#039;s post-War history is given with &#039;Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service. Saul Tigh was straightening his life out when he met his wife Ellen, who he courted and married within two months. Ellen did not take well to military life, and her repeated infidelities drove him back to drink. Ellen and Saul separated shortly before the Cylon attack.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Rising Star info was taken from later in teh article with the sentence, &#039;Three weeks after the Cylon attack Tigh&#039;s wife was discovered on the Rising Star, a carrier from Picon.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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The definitions are:  &lt;br /&gt;
&#039;Colonial Day - An biannual holiday which celebrates the signing of the Articles of Colonization.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;Alert Fighters - A rotating group of Colonial Vipers which are constantly ready for immediate launch. Their function is to act as support for the Combat Air Patrol.&lt;br /&gt;
  &lt;br /&gt;
The colonial colors are just images, so there&#039;s nothing to type, but it corresponds with the same colors in the Official Battlestar Companion.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Excellent, thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The MLA citation format for a magazine article with no author is as follows:&lt;br /&gt;
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::&amp;quot;Title of Article.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;u&amp;gt;Title of Magazine&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;. Date: Pages.&lt;br /&gt;
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:So, to use the Saul Tigh article as an example:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;Cylon Intelligence Report: Personnel File: Saul Tigh.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;u&amp;gt;Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;. Feb./Mar. 2006: 62.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Introduce a footnote in the main body text using the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{note}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{note_label}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; tags, and place the corresponding citation in a &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;==Sources==&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; header after &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;#{{ref}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; and/or &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{ref_label}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; as appropriate. I will restore your edits to the Saul Tigh article and cite them, to give you an idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:00, 2 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::You should also restore the &#039;Twelve Colonies&#039; changes since all i did there was add Saul to the Aerelon natives and correctly match the Colors with their colonies. --Ltcrashdown 00:02, 2 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Maybe he was busted down from CPO during the second year of the war.  Or maybe as a Chief Petty Officer, he once served as a Gunner&#039;s Mate (though this is a bit of a stretch, I admit). --Ltcrashdown 00:22, 2 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::This information, however, is contradicted by the deleted scenes from &amp;quot;Valley of Darkness&amp;quot; where Tigh says that in the second year of the War, he was a &amp;quot;Petty Officer...gunner&#039;s mate&amp;quot; and not &#039;&#039;already&#039;&#039; a Chief Petty Officer when the war broke out.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:14, 2 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::&amp;quot;Let&#039;s cut through it, shall we?&amp;quot; The magazine is obviously compiled by people who are worse fanboys than &#039;&#039;we&#039;&#039; are, and lack our zeal for accuracy. I mean, if they can&#039;t even spell &amp;quot;Gemenon&amp;quot; properly, I&#039;m not really inclined to give them much credence. Their information should be taken with a very large grain of salt, when we take it at all. Frankly, I&#039;m a little worried they&#039;re going to start using &#039;&#039;us&#039;&#039; as a source.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::(Dear lord, I&#039;m using sci-fi quotes out of context and Ricimer&#039;s talking in a civil tone of voice. It&#039;s like we&#039;ve &#039;&#039;merged&#039;&#039;.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:30, 2 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Realize that it my &#039;&#039;business&#039;&#039; to know (of course you know, etc etc). Enough Batman-villian-esque theatrics. ***I only have the first issue, and need to read the other issues. Frankly, it&#039;s a combination of *REEALLY* good and really *BAD* material. Basically, they&#039;ve got 5 or so articles that are worthwhile; but they&#039;re exclusive, plus they also give out concept art unavailble elsewhere. Long story short, *I would pay money for the few good articles in it*, but the problem is they want to &amp;quot;pad out&amp;quot; the magazine to get a certain length (and I&#039;m going, &amp;quot;I would pay the same amount of money if you didn&#039;t pad it, because the other stuff doesn&#039;t add much&amp;quot;) I mean, the first one has this *really annoying* &#039;&#039;&#039;LITERALLY&#039;&#039;&#039; Fanfic letter &amp;quot;from Starbuck&amp;quot; describing an air-combat manuever she pulled off in a Viper (in an article about Vipers). Now, let me remind everyone: ***It&#039;s a good magazine and has many good articles.  It&#039;s just that some of the articles are obviously &amp;quot;filler&amp;quot;.  Thus, as I said, apart from the flat-out Interviews with cast members or articles written by like David Eick, Garry Hurtzel, production team members, etc. should be held under great critical skepticism. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:45, 2 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: This whole thread has been a great read. Very interesting. I have the first issue of this magazine. I sourced it for the [[Pyramid (RDM)]] article some. I remember thinking mostly as you do, Ricimer: Some great stuff, the rest &#039;&#039;horrid&#039;&#039;. They&#039;re good for interviews, artwork and not much else. The first issue had an interesting thing at the end that seems to be a synopsis of an interview (if I remmeber right) with the head costume person, which I keep meaning to reread and use to add some real-life info to [[Uniform]]. I&#039;ve also been looking for the other issues in the place where I got the first one, but I can&#039;t find it. I a little wary of subscribing to the thing... It just seems like there&#039;s a line being crossed there. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:06, 2 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==To Do==&lt;br /&gt;
*Deprecate citation templates in favor of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php#_ref-NYT_1 &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; tags]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:44, 2 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==BSG Books==&lt;br /&gt;
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There was recently a novelization for the battlestar galactica mini-series.  I was going to get a copy and add information from it to the wikipedia.  Does anyone else think this should be done, assuming the novelization yields any new details (i.e. ships, pilots, etc.) --Ltcrashdown 00:14, 4 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Its come up before. That&#039;s where, I think, we got the name Natasi for one of [[Number Six]]&#039;s copies. We&#039;re kind of wary of it, but I think there&#039;s further discussion on Six&#039;s Talk page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:51, 4 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I&#039;m going to post my point by point analysis of it in a matter of hours.  It is, on the whole, quite poorly written, and I don&#039;t think he had any official stuff to go on, just making it up.  Regardless, per &amp;quot;Memory Alpha&amp;quot; template, it deserves it&#039;s own page which I will comment more on, but we should not base beliefs on it.  --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:57, 4 February 2006 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sources namespace ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to let everyone know, Sources have their own namespace (i.e. [[Sources:Pegasus (RDM)]]).  This avoids having to use the subpage suggestion I had earlier proposed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 13:11, 9 April 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Koenigrules / Hollywood North Report==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Koenigrules&amp;quot; (KR) is the alias of Jim Iaccino, a popular reporter of BSG spoilers, whose reports are often cited and reposted by other sources. [http://lvpodcasts.autopodcaster.com/download.php?filename=Subject_2_Discussion_04_11_2006.mp3/Subject_2_Discussion_04_11_2006.mp3 Recent comments] made on the &amp;quot;[http://www.subject2discussion.com/ Subject 2 Discussion]&amp;quot; segment of the &amp;quot;[http://www.lvrocks.com/ LV Rocks]&amp;quot; radio program (transcribed at [[Sources:Precipice]]) raised the possibility that KR is merely re-reporting publically available information, and does not appear to be a credible primary source.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] investigated this possibility, and posted his findings to [[Talk:Precipice#Question about Koenigrules]]. [[User:Peter Farago|I]] raised the possibility of instating a policy against citing KR&#039;s reports as credible sources on Battlestar Wiki, which was seconded by [[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Consequently, I am opening a formal vote here on the matter. Please review [[Sources:Precipice]], its putative [http://www.nowcasting.com/sides/Episodic/BATTLESTAR%20GALACTICA/301%20Occupation/Selloi_Dedona_4pgs.pdf source material], and The Merovingian&#039;s comments on [[Talk:Precipice#Question about Koenigrules]] prior to casting your vote, and feel free to raise any questions below. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:18, 20 April 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Vote ends 20:34, 26 April 2006, server time.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===In favor of a policy against citing KR as a primary source===&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:34, 19 April 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 23:36, 19 April 2006 (CDT) - I feel like this guy betrayed us.  And it&#039;s getting worse; 4-5 news sites report things he says as fact; he is not helping at all.  Dogger said: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;He often fails to differentiate what he is reporting from his own speculation, an oversight compounded by the fact that his speculation is hampered by a lack of attention to detail.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;--&amp;gt;He put that more clearly than I could.  Way to go Dogger.  :)&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Shane|Shane]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:09, 20 April 2006 (CDT) I think he just read the infromation we had posted. That interview was almost excatly what we have on the site. lol. Vote to against citing KR.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:11, 20 April 2006 (CDT) If he originates nothing, we lose nothing by not citing him.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:34, 20 April 2006 (CDT) - We do NOT claim to be a primary source here, and everything that is stated as fact should be citable elsewhere. Our sources are  therefore our foundation, so they should be held to a high standard.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 08:53, 20 April 2006 (CDT) Per above.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:30, 20 April 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:21, 20 April 2006 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 03:16, 21 April 2006 (CDT) I&#039;m against the publication of anything except the facts.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:35, 21 April 2006 (CDT) Ditto to all above&lt;br /&gt;
# [[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]] 17:12, 21 April 2006 (CDT)  This is site is a reference, it would be misleading to publish anything other than citable information.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 17:15, 21 April 2006 (CDT) I must concur. Too much flotsam.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 20:38, 21 April 2006 (CDT) I&#039;ve never heard KR &#039;reveal&#039; anything that I haven&#039;t already seen from another source. I have always seen him as just somebody who reads the same things I read and then repeats them in another venue, but with an extra helping of certainty. He often fails to differentiate what he is reporting from his own speculation, an oversight compounded by the fact that his speculation is hampered by a lack of attention to detail. Perhaps what he does might have some value as a &#039;digest&#039; of what is being talked about, but I don&#039;t see why anyone but the most naive listener would consider him as a primary source.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Gouge|Frankie Gouge]] 02:20, 22 April 2006 (EDT) Credibility is too hard to earn to risk needlessly. Plenty of other sites to get speculative spoilers.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[User:Bowersj8|Bowersj8]] 14:31, 22 April 2006 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Opposed===&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Odysseus</title>
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		<updated>2006-04-04T18:42:57Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Odysseus&#039;&#039;&#039; was a ship in [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]].  The ship has yet to be seen, but its name was shown on the voting tally board in &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:A to Z]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Colonial Craft]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:RDM]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43119</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43119"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T03:25:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: /* Other stuff */&lt;/p&gt;
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|age=  18&lt;br /&gt;
|colony= Sagittaron, Earth, USA, Binghamton NY.&lt;br /&gt;
|birthname= Joshua D. Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
|callsign= Scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
|death= Not yet&lt;br /&gt;
|parents=Mark, Joan&lt;br /&gt;
|siblings=Rachel&lt;br /&gt;
|marital status= What do you think&lt;br /&gt;
|children= None&lt;br /&gt;
|role= Viper Pilot, &#039;&#039;&#039;Battlestar Atlantia&#039;&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;(Battlestar Wiki User)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|rank=	Lieutenant Junior Grade&lt;br /&gt;
|actor= Himself (if it had to be some one it would haft to be Anthony Edwards at age 18)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
===Real===&lt;br /&gt;
===BSG===&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other stuff==&lt;br /&gt;
Want to start a petition to see if anyone can build the [[Space Park]]for real.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43118</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43118"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T03:19:37Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
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|colony= Sagittaron, Earth, USA, Binghamton NY.&lt;br /&gt;
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|callsign= Scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
|death= Not yet&lt;br /&gt;
|parents=Mark, Joan&lt;br /&gt;
|siblings=Rachel&lt;br /&gt;
|marital status= What do you think&lt;br /&gt;
|children= None&lt;br /&gt;
|role= Viper Pilot, &#039;&#039;&#039;Battlestar Atlantia&#039;&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;(Battlestar Wiki User)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|rank=	Lieutenant Junior Grade&lt;br /&gt;
|actor= Himself (if it had to be some one it would haft to be Anthony Edwards at age 18)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
===Real===&lt;br /&gt;
===BSG===&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other stuff==&lt;br /&gt;
Want to start a petition to see if anyone can build the [[Space Park]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43117</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43117"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T03:18:26Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
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|parents=Mark, Joan&lt;br /&gt;
|siblings=Rachel&lt;br /&gt;
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|children= None&lt;br /&gt;
|role= Viper Pilot, &#039;&#039;&#039;Battlestar Atlantia&#039;&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;(Battlestar Wiki User)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|rank=	Lieutenant Junior Grade&lt;br /&gt;
|actor= Himself (if it had to be some one it would haft to be Anthony Edwards at age 18)&lt;br /&gt;
|name= Josh Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
===Real===&lt;br /&gt;
===BSG===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other stuff==&lt;br /&gt;
Want to start a petition to see if anyone can build the [[Space Park]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43114</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43114"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T03:07:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{Character Data|&lt;br /&gt;
|photo= [[Image:Bowersj8.jpg|center|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
|age=  18&lt;br /&gt;
|colony= Earth, USA, Binghamton NY.&lt;br /&gt;
|birthname= Joshua D. Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
|callsign= Scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
|death= Not yet&lt;br /&gt;
|parents=Mark, Joan&lt;br /&gt;
|siblings=Rachel&lt;br /&gt;
|marital status= What do you think&lt;br /&gt;
|children= None&lt;br /&gt;
|role= Viper Pilot, &#039;&#039;&#039;First Viper wing of New York&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;(Battlestar Wiki User)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|rank=	Lieutenant Junior Grade&lt;br /&gt;
|actor= Himself (if it had to be some one it would haft to be Anthony Edwards at age 18)&lt;br /&gt;
|name= Josh Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
==Other stuff==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43112</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43112"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T03:02:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{Character Data|&lt;br /&gt;
|photo= [[Image:Bowersj8.jpg|center|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
|age=  18&lt;br /&gt;
|colony= Earth, USA, Binghamton NY.&lt;br /&gt;
|birthname= Joshua D. Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
|callsign= Scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
|death= Not yet&lt;br /&gt;
|parents=Mark, Joan&lt;br /&gt;
|siblings=Rachel&lt;br /&gt;
|marital status= What do you think&lt;br /&gt;
|children= None&lt;br /&gt;
|role= Viper Pilot, &#039;&#039;&#039;First Viper wing of New York&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;(Battlestar Wiki User)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|rank=	Lieutenant Junior Grade&lt;br /&gt;
|actor= Himself&lt;br /&gt;
|cylon= NO&lt;br /&gt;
|name= Josh Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
==Other stuff==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43111</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43111"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T01:56:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{Character Data|&lt;br /&gt;
|photo= [[Image:.jpg|center|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
|age=  &lt;br /&gt;
|colony=&lt;br /&gt;
|birthname= &lt;br /&gt;
|callsign=&lt;br /&gt;
|death=&lt;br /&gt;
|parents=&lt;br /&gt;
|siblings=&lt;br /&gt;
|marital status=&lt;br /&gt;
|children=&lt;br /&gt;
|role=&lt;br /&gt;
|rank=&lt;br /&gt;
|actor= &lt;br /&gt;
|cylon=&lt;br /&gt;
|name= &lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
==Other stuff==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43110</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43110"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T01:53:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;    {{Character Data| &lt;br /&gt;
    |photo= [[Image:bowerj8.jpg|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
    |age= 18&lt;br /&gt;
    |colony= Earth, USA, Binghamton NY&lt;br /&gt;
    |birthname= Joshua D. Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
    |callsign= Scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
    |parents= Mark, Joan&lt;br /&gt;
    |siblings= Rachel&lt;br /&gt;
    |Children= None&lt;br /&gt;
    |Marital Status= What do you think&lt;br /&gt;
    |Role= Viper Pilot, 1st Viper Sq of New York &lt;br /&gt;
    |Rank= Ensign&lt;br /&gt;
    |Portrayed by= Himself&lt;br /&gt;
    }}&lt;br /&gt;
==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
==Other stuff==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43109</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43109"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T01:45:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;    {{Character Data| &lt;br /&gt;
    |photo= [[Image:bowerj8.jpg|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
    |age= 18&lt;br /&gt;
    |colony= Earth, USA, Binghamton NY&lt;br /&gt;
    |birthname= Joshua D. Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
    |callsign= Scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
    |parents= Mark, Joan&lt;br /&gt;
    |siblings= Rachel&lt;br /&gt;
    }}&lt;br /&gt;
==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
==Other stuff==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43108</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43108"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T01:41:58Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;    {{User Data| &lt;br /&gt;
    |photo= [[Image:bowerj8.jpg|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
    |age= 18&lt;br /&gt;
    |colony= Earth&lt;br /&gt;
    |birthname= Joshua D. Bowers&lt;br /&gt;
    |callsign= &lt;br /&gt;
    |parents=&lt;br /&gt;
    |siblings=&lt;br /&gt;
    }}&lt;br /&gt;
==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
==Other stuff==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43107</id>
		<title>User:Bowersj8</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bowersj8&amp;diff=43107"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T01:30:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Bio==&lt;br /&gt;
==Other stuff==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=New_Caprica&amp;diff=43106</id>
		<title>New Caprica</title>
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		<updated>2006-04-02T01:11:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bowersj8: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;:&#039;&#039;For the Video Game&#039;s &amp;quot;New Caprica&amp;quot;, see [[New Caprica (Video Game)]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NewCaprica.jpg|thumb|right|&#039;&#039;&#039;New Caprica&#039;&#039;&#039; as seen from space.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;New Caprica&#039;&#039;&#039; is the name given to the harsh but fairly habitable planet found by [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]].  It is discovered by [[Racetrack]] by mere happenstance -- after the [[Raptor]] she was in [[FTL|Jumps]] to the wrong coordinates during a rescue mission to [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Due to the surrounding nebulae, [[DRADIS]] is rendered practically useless -- an attribute which makes the planet prime for colonization by [[the Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]&#039;s survivors.  With this news, and unable to join up with the other Raptors on the rescue mission, Racetrack returns to &#039;&#039;[[Galactica]]&#039;&#039; with information and sensor readings on the planet.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The planet later becomes a galvanizing issue that [[Tom Zarek]] believes -- correctly, as it turns out -- would swing the Presidential election vote in Baltar&#039;s favor ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Upon [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]&#039;s ascension to the presidency, the President orders the colonization of the planet.  Settling on the planet, the major population center on New Caprica becomes [[New Caprica City]], which itself is populated by over 39,000 survivors. Over a year after settlement, there are major shortages of basic living materials and medical supplies. Most of the population still live in canvas tents instead of permanent homes of some sort.  It appears many among the population of [[New Caprica City]], including [[Tyrol]] and the workers&#039; union which he now leads, blame [[Baltar]] and his policies as president for most or all of the continuing economic/social problems facing the settlers on [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:New Caprica.JPG|thumb|right|New Caprica City, complete with tents and a basic road infastructure.]] &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
380 days after colonization, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] discover New Caprica, lured by the energy signature caused by the detonation of the nuclear warhead that destroyed &#039;&#039;[[Cloud 9]]&#039;&#039;. When the Cylon fleet jumps into orbit, the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] Jumps away to an unknown location while President Baltar surrenders ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).  Obviously, these events will have some effect on the permanance of New Caprica as a homeworld for humanity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The exact population of New Caprica City is 39,192.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Significant characters left behind on New Caprica when the Cylons arrive at the season 2 cliffhanger, &amp;quot;[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]],&amp;quot; include former President [[Laura Roslin]] and current President [[Gaius Baltar]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] and his wife [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]], Major [[Cottle]], Captain [[Kara Thrace]] and her husband [[Samuel Anders]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] and his wife [[Cally]], Presidential aide [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Maya]] and her adopted daughter [[Hera|Isis]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;There are at least two ships of [[the Fleet]] scene at [[New Caprica City]], [[Colonial One]], and the [[Astral Queen]]. also ther is at least one [[Atmospheric shuttle]] as well as a [[Raptor]] being used as a Communications link to the fleet in orbit. &#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:A to Z]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Planets]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:RDM]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=New_Caprica&amp;diff=43105</id>
		<title>New Caprica</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=New_Caprica&amp;diff=43105"/>
		<updated>2006-04-02T01:10:45Z</updated>

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&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;:&#039;&#039;For the Video Game&#039;s &amp;quot;New Caprica&amp;quot;, see [[New Caprica (Video Game)]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NewCaprica.jpg|thumb|right|&#039;&#039;&#039;New Caprica&#039;&#039;&#039; as seen from space.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;New Caprica&#039;&#039;&#039; is the name given to the harsh but fairly habitable planet found by [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]].  It is discovered by [[Racetrack]] by mere happenstance -- after the [[Raptor]] she was in [[FTL|Jumps]] to the wrong coordinates during a rescue mission to [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Due to the surrounding nebulae, [[DRADIS]] is rendered practically useless -- an attribute which makes the planet prime for colonization by [[the Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]&#039;s survivors.  With this news, and unable to join up with the other Raptors on the rescue mission, Racetrack returns to &#039;&#039;[[Galactica]]&#039;&#039; with information and sensor readings on the planet.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The planet later becomes a galvanizing issue that [[Tom Zarek]] believes -- correctly, as it turns out -- would swing the Presidential election vote in Baltar&#039;s favor ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Upon [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]&#039;s ascension to the presidency, the President orders the colonization of the planet.  Settling on the planet, the major population center on New Caprica becomes [[New Caprica City]], which itself is populated by over 39,000 survivors. Over a year after settlement, there are major shortages of basic living materials and medical supplies. Most of the population still live in canvas tents instead of permanent homes of some sort.  It appears many among the population of [[New Caprica City]], including [[Tyrol]] and the workers&#039; union which he now leads, blame [[Baltar]] and his policies as president for most or all of the continuing economic/social problems facing the settlers on [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:New Caprica.JPG|thumb|right|New Caprica City, complete with tents and a basic road infastructure.]] &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
380 days after colonization, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] discover New Caprica, lured by the energy signature caused by the detonation of the nuclear warhead that destroyed &#039;&#039;[[Cloud 9]]&#039;&#039;. When the Cylon fleet jumps into orbit, the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] Jumps away to an unknown location while President Baltar surrenders ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).  Obviously, these events will have some effect on the permanance of New Caprica as a homeworld for humanity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The exact population of New Caprica City is 39,192.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Significant characters left behind on New Caprica when the Cylons arrive at the season 2 cliffhanger, &amp;quot;[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]],&amp;quot; include former President [[Laura Roslin]] and current President [[Gaius Baltar]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] and his wife [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]], Major [[Cottle]], Captain [[Kara Thrace]] and her husband [[Samuel Anders]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] and his wife [[Cally]], Presidential aide [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Maya]] and her adopted daughter [[Hera|Isis]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;There are at least two ships of [[the Fleet]] scene at [[New Caprica City]] [[Colonial One]], and the [[Astral Queen]]. also ther is at least one [[Atmospheric shuttle]] as well as a [[Raptor]] being used as a Communications link to the fleet in orbit &#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:A to Z]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Planets]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:RDM]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bowersj8</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=The_Fleet_(TRS)&amp;diff=41667</id>
		<title>The Fleet (TRS)</title>
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		<updated>2006-03-26T02:35:32Z</updated>

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&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;For information on the military fleet of the Twelve Colonies before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], see [[Colonial Fleet]]. For information on the rag-tag fugitive Fleet of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see [[The Fleet (TOS)]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;The Fleet&#039;&#039;&#039; is the convoy of ships that contain what is effectively the last survivors of humanity after the [[Cylon Attack]]. The Fleet forms the backdrop of the drama of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica series]].  Unofficially, off-screen many viewers also refer to the Fleet as the &amp;quot;RTF&amp;quot;; &amp;quot;Rag Tag Fleet&amp;quot;, or more fully, &amp;quot;RTFF&amp;quot;; &amp;quot;Rag Tag Fugitive Fleet&amp;quot;, a holdover name used in the voiceover for the [[The Fleet (TOS)|Fleet of the Original Series]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Overview==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;The Fleet&amp;quot; begins as a convoy of about sixty stranded commercial and civilian ships around the area of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] assembled by new President [[Laura Roslin]] in the immediate aftermath of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]] ([[Miniseries]]). Of these ships, only a handful were Colonial military craft, such as [[Raptor 478]] and three [[Viper (RDM)|Viper Mark VII]] fighters. One [[ECO]], [[Crashdown]], is called a &amp;quot;refugee from [[Triton]],&amp;quot; suggesting that he escaped that battlestar&#039;s destruction with Roslin&#039;s convoy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Twenty ships of the convoy are abandoned to an imminent Cylon attack because they lacked [[FTL]] drives. The remainder of the Fleet joins with battlestar &#039;&#039;[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]&#039;&#039;, the only [[Pegasus (RDM)|known]] surviving warship in the first months after the events of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The Fleet represents the last vestige of humanity. The political and social troubles of the Fleet as it wanders through space function as a metaphor for all of humanity, since the Fleet literally &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; what is left of humanity in the television series.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The phrase &amp;quot;the Fleet&amp;quot; functions not only as a signifier for the actual ships of the convoy, but as a substitute for the people on board, and therefore for mankind. Usage of the term &amp;quot;the Fleet&amp;quot; has not gained more than an informal acceptance, as can be seen by President Roslin&#039;s continued use of the term &#039;&#039;President of the [[Twelve Colonies]].&#039;&#039;  This may be interpreted as either an expression of hope that eventually the people on board the ships of the Fleet will reestablish themselves on a new colony permanently, or a psychological inability to confront that the Fleet may be the only home that humanity knows for a very long time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Saul Tigh]]&#039;s assertion in &amp;quot;[[The Farm]]&amp;quot; that the twenty four ships which departed with the [[Laura Roslin faction]] during her insurrection represented &amp;quot;almost a third of the fleet&amp;quot; imply that the number of ships in the Fleet is approximately in the mid-70&#039;s.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Ships==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]&#039;&#039;, last remaining [[Galactica type battlestar|original battlestar]] and main protector and flagship of the Fleet, under direct command of Admiral [[William Adama]] ([[Mini-Series]]) &lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Colonial One]]&#039;&#039;, President [[Laura Roslin]]&#039;s ship, previously known as &#039;&#039;[[Colonial Heavy 798]]&#039;&#039; ([[Miniseries]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]&#039;&#039;, a [[Mercury class battlestar]] formerly commanded by [[Helena Cain]] ([[Pegasus (episode)]]), Jack Fisk ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]) and [[Barry Garner]] ([[The Captain&#039;s Hand]]). It is currently under the command of [[Lee Adama]] ([[The Captain&#039;s Hand]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Olympic Carrier]]&#039;&#039;, destroyed in &amp;quot;[[33]]&amp;quot; after an apparent Cylon takeover.  Multiple ships of the same model, including the &#039;&#039;Pan Galactic&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Sagitarrian Spaceways&#039;&#039; are still part of the Fleet&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Gemini]]&#039;&#039;, FTL-capable freighter which Valerii escorts to the convoy ([[Miniseries]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]&#039;&#039;, mentioned frequently and notable for several reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
**First (reported) human birth after the exodus from the Colonies ([[33]])&lt;br /&gt;
**Where [[Ellen Tigh]] was suddenly discovered three weeks after the attack ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])&lt;br /&gt;
**Where Ellen Tigh intended her husband to meet with allies of [[Tom Zarek]] ([[Colonial Day]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Coronis]]&#039;&#039; ([[Litmus]], [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/106/deleted1.html deleted scene])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Virgon Express]]&#039;&#039; ([[Water]]) &lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Pan Galactic]]&#039;&#039; ([[Miniseries]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Astral Queen]]&#039;&#039;, prison ship noted for carrying 1500 prisoners, including [[Tom Zarek]] ([[Bastille Day]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Scorpia Traveler]]&#039;&#039;, a civilian ship that carried a suicide bomber copy of [[Aaron Doral]] ([[Litmus]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Gemenon Liner 1701]]&#039;&#039;, found by &#039;&#039;Colonial One&#039;&#039; shortly after Laura Roslin&#039;s hasty inauguration&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Gemenon Traveler]]&#039;&#039;, a civilian ship where a copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] is captured ([[Flesh and Bone]])&lt;br /&gt;
**The above two appear to be of identical configuration, and may be the same ship.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Cloud 9]]&#039;&#039;, a luxury liner designed to mimic the enviroment of a habitable planet. &lt;br /&gt;
**Meeting place of the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. ([[Colonial Day]])&lt;br /&gt;
**Base of operations for [[Demand Peace]] ([[Epiphanies]])&lt;br /&gt;
**Destroyed by a nuke along with at least two other ships. ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Zephyr]]&#039;&#039; ([[Fragged]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Tauranian]]&#039;&#039;, a refinery ship ([[Resistance]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Gideon]]&#039;&#039;, a supply ship involved in an incident where four civilians were killed by &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; marines ([[Resistance]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Kimba Huta]]&#039;&#039;, a cold storage vessel on which exiled President Roslin hides from Commander Adama and Colonel Tigh ([[The Farm]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Monarch]]&#039;&#039;, a mining ship that joined the [[Laura Roslin faction]] ([[Home, Part I]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Adriatic]]&#039;&#039;, a member of the Roslin faction armed with ship-to-ship missiles ([[Home, Part I]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Striker]]&#039;&#039;, damaged in a refuelling operation overseen by Capt. [[George Birch]] ([[Home, Part I]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Celestra]] (Identified on official Sci-Fi Channel web site but not yet seen in aired episode)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Space Park]]&#039;&#039; (Identified on official Sci-Fi Channel web site but not yet seen in aired episode)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Flattop]]&#039;&#039;, a [[salvage and repair]] ship (Identified on official Sci-Fi Channel web site but not yet seen in aired episode)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Freighter 212]]&#039;&#039;, a ship [[Louanne Katraine]] apparently has some &amp;quot;buddies&amp;quot; on ([[Final Cut]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Baah Pakal]]&#039;&#039;, a ship carrying unused [[DDG-62]] engines onboard ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Botanical Cruiser]]&#039;&#039; (While the original was destroyed in the [[Miniseries]], various background shots have placed an [[FTL]]-equipped Botanical Cruiser in the Fleet.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Daru Mozu]]&#039;&#039;, a [[tylium]] refinery ship. Damaged by a suicide bomber ([[Epiphanies]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Greenleaf]]&#039;&#039;, a freighter where [[Asha Janik]] and [[Ray Abinell]] were maintenance workers&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[McConnell]]&#039;&#039;, a supply ship frequented by Commander [[Jack Fisk]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Prometheus]]&#039;&#039;, an &amp;quot;off the grid&amp;quot; freighter and den of mercenary-turned-crime boss [[Phelan]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Majahual]]&#039;&#039;, a mining ship digging for crucial metals ([[Scar]])&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Picon 36]]&#039;&#039;, [[Miniseries]]&lt;br /&gt;
* 3 &#039;&#039;[[Colonial Movers]]&#039;&#039; heavy transports&lt;br /&gt;
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These ships were visible on vote tally boards in [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]:&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Demetrius]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Diomedes]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Embla Brokk]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Enkidu]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Epheme]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Galatea]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Odysseus]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Persephone]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Sargon]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Swordfish]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the episode &amp;quot;[[The Farm]]&amp;quot;, 24 ships leave the Fleet to return to Kobol. [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] provides the following breakdown:&lt;br /&gt;
*12 transports - incl. the &#039;&#039;Astral Queen&#039;&#039;, and the &#039;&#039;Gemenon Traveller&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*7 freighters&lt;br /&gt;
*3 construction platforms&lt;br /&gt;
*1 private cruiser&lt;br /&gt;
*1 mining ship - the &#039;&#039;Monarch&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Demographics==&lt;br /&gt;
A few points of information are available concerning the demographics of the Fleet. In &amp;quot;[[33]]&amp;quot;, before the destruction of the Olympic Carrier, there were 5,251 survivors from Sagittaron and 49,998 total survivors. In &amp;quot;[[Home, Part I]]&amp;quot;, the [[Laura Roslin faction]] left the Fleet with 18,000 individuals, of which 9,500 were Gemenons and 6,250 were Capricans. At that time the total population of the fleet was 47,857.&lt;br /&gt;
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This information is sparse, but it gives a general idea of the population breakdown of the Fleet if a few assumptions are made for the sake of argument.&lt;br /&gt;
*Note that Gemenon and Caprica had more citizens in the Roslin faction alone than Sagittaron had in the entire Fleet. The Twelve Colonies are clearly not represented in equal proportion.&lt;br /&gt;
*Before the destruction of the &#039;&#039;Olympic Carrier&#039;&#039;, Sagittaron natives made up 10.50% of the fleet. Solely for the purpose of argument, we assume that the &#039;&#039;Olympic Carrier&#039;&#039;&#039;s population breakdown was identical to the rest of the fleet&#039;s and that Sagittaron continues to make up 10.50% of the Fleet&#039;s total population.&lt;br /&gt;
*The figures from the Roslin faction can be viewed in several ways:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot;float:right; margin:10px&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Demographics1.png]]&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*ASSUMPTION 1: All Gemenons and Capricans jumped to Kobol with the Roslin faction. &lt;br /&gt;
::*Caprica: 6,250 persons (13.06%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (19.85%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Others: 27,081 (56.59%)&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;both&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot;float:right; margin:10px&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Demographics2.png]]&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*ASSUMPTION 2: All Gemenons jumped to Kobol with the Roslin faction, lured by the &amp;quot;religion card&amp;quot;, but Caprican portion of the Roslin faction was representative of the Fleet.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Caprica: 28,204 persons (58.93%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Gemenon: 9,500 persons (19.85%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Others: 5,127 persons (10.72%)&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;both&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot;float:right; margin:10px&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Demographics3.png]]&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*ASSUMPTION 3: Caprican and Gemenon portions of the Roslin faction were representative of the fleet.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Caprica: 16,617 persons (34.72%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Gemenon: 25,258 persons (52.78%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Sagittaron: 5,026 persons (10.50%)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Others: 956 (2.00%)&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;both&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Although it is plausible that the Caprican population is substantially larger than the other colonies, as &#039;&#039;Colonial Heavy 798&#039;&#039; was in the vicinity when the attack began, and was the nucleus around which the fleet rallied, it is unlikely that the populations of each colony are grossly unequal, or else the [[Quorum of Twelve]] would be a very poor system of government. The likeliest scenario is therefore probably somewhere in between Assumptions 1 and 2, with nearly all of the Gemenon population (drawn by the &amp;quot;religion card&amp;quot;) and a large portion of the Caprican population leaving with Roslin.&lt;br /&gt;
*Alternatively, it is in fact possible that the populations of the colonies were grossly unequal. Though the structure of the [[Quorum of Twelve]] appears to maintain at least a  fiction that the colonies were roughly equal, we know next to nothing about how the governmental system of the colonies was established or evolved over time.  Indeed, the United States Senate, for example, by design expressly assumes that the various states constituting it are &#039;equal&#039; even though this is clearly not the case in terms of their respective populations.  Furthermore, the fact that a system of government is &#039;poor&#039; or else not representatively proportional does not mean it cannot actually be implemented and even survive for long periods of time.  &lt;br /&gt;
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As for population distribution, we know the population of &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; (2,693 as of [[Water]]), the &#039;&#039;Olympic Carrier&#039;&#039; (1,345 as of [[33]]) and &#039;&#039;Astral Queen&#039;&#039; (1,500 as of [[Bastille Day]], [[List of retcons (RDM)|retconned]] up from 500 in the mini-series). There are 176 civillians in the cargo hold of [[Colonial One]] in &amp;quot;[[Kobol&#039;s Last Gleaming, Part II]]&amp;quot;. The fleet is stated at about 75 ships in &amp;quot;[[Resistance]]&amp;quot;, retconned up from 40 in the mini.&lt;br /&gt;
*Going by the 75 ship count, the remaining ships besides &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; and the &#039;&#039;Astral Queen&#039;&#039; each carry about 600 persons on average.&lt;br /&gt;
*The 23 ships that left with the [[Laura Roslin faction]], apart from the &#039;&#039;Astral Queen&#039;&#039;, would have an average population of about 720 persons per ship.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
In the [[Miniseries]], astute viewers may recognize three spacecraft with notable resemblances of ships from other SF universes. These ships aren&#039;t considered a [[Canon|canonical]] part of the series or the Fleet, but their appearance adds a bit of humor and pays homage to other notable science fiction and their creative staff.&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;Serenity&#039;&#039;, the central ship from the TV series &amp;quot;Firefly&amp;quot; and the motion picture, &amp;quot;[http://www.serenitymovie.com/ Serenity]&amp;quot;, appears briefly in the sky outside the window of a doctor&#039;s office where viewers first see Laura Roslin.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The original USS &#039;&#039;Enterprise&#039;&#039; (NCC-1701) from the original &#039;&#039;[http://www.startrek.com Star Trek]&#039;&#039; TV series makes a cameo in the last shot of the Fleet as [[Elosha]] chants a prayer in the memorial service near the end of the Mini-Series. (Look to the upper right corner for the ship in a still frame.)&lt;br /&gt;
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*The ill-fated [[Botanical Cruiser]] was added in homage to the [[Agro Ship]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original &#039;&#039;Battlestar Galactica&#039;&#039;]] TV series, which in turn were the re-used models from the SF film &#039;&#039;[[IMDB:Silent Running|Silent Running]]&#039;&#039;, a Universal/MCA movie that special effects guru [[John Dykstra]] worked on a few years prior to the Original Series.&lt;br /&gt;
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