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Talk:Raider (RDM)/Archive 1

2008-04-10T20:16:15Z

Blacklight: New cylon raider V-shape Eye

==New Article Structure==

I have edited this page only to include the information about the raider in the new series, moved all data from TOS raider to its own article and moved the video game raider to its own article under the video game ships category. I have put the main raider as the article and moved the "piloted" raider to the bottom as note, as it is not canon information.--[[User:Lgamser|Lgamser]] 20:22, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

And can we get a new image of the raider, with it being in space, for the ship portal, and we can then put that picture as the main picture of the article, and move the one that is currently the main one now, in the article somewhere.--[[User:Lgamser|Lgamser]] 20:25, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

==Concept drawings==
I have a question about the use of some of the concept drawings for the new raider. First of all, there are many concept drawings available here[http://www.galacticastation.com/Gallery/Artwork/gallery.htm] at Galactica Station. I know that many of them are not related to the current raider. However, There are some really interesting pics of the brain and how it is connected to the ship, as well as a depiction of a Colonial pilot inside after the brain has been removed (much Like Kara Thrace had done). My question is, are we able to use these images in this article? I would like to see some imagery around the design of the raider and it's internal structure. What do people think of this? I'm not even sure if we can use these pics, but if they are original drawings for the series...wouldn't that fall under fair use?--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 08:03, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:While I agree the pics are very cool and give a great insight we have to remember that concept art is just that... Concept. Concept art does not always relate to the final product so isnt really [[canon]] in the RDM universe. Perhaps they could be added to the gallery provided a notice on the canonicity is provided alongside it on the image page? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:46, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:: I truly agree with the fact that they are not canon per-se, but under the special notice you had mentioned, I think it might be a nice minor addition. I'll wait a while before I do anything of course, just to see what people are thinking, and if people are in favour of adding them to the gallery with the afore mentioned canonicity note, then I'll go about getting it started.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 10:37, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Some of those concept art drawings don't even look like the final Raider design. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])

:::: Oh, This is very true, I would propose only to include the ones that reference the brain and the Colonial Pilot in said brain cavity. Specifically this one I guess: [http://www.galacticastation.com/Gallery/Artwork/raiderintart40dv.htm]--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 12:51, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, we could use the ones that are the concepts for the actual raiders used, including that one.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:42, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

::::::Ok, well I'll go for it and get it up and running, we'll try it out for a while at least.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:11, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::So, I did it...if its horrible, I'll totally change it (or anyone should change it if they want)..but what do you guys think? I'll add some more drawings that relate closely to the brain and internal workings of the final raider design if this is a good format.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 08:37, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::AAAARRRRRRRRGGGG! I'm not even sure if these are Chu's...I'm pretty sure..but there is no signature!! uh oh... ok...UPDATE: ok they are [[Ken Rabehl]]'s concept drawings..these ones are anyway.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 08:48, 28 July 2006 (CDT)

==Piloted Raiders==
Is there anything at all from the re-imagined series about a early piloted raider, or is this just speculation? --Glenmcbeth

:Well, in the Mini-series before they engage the NEW Cylon Raiders for the first time, the pilots are chattering over their radios and say that no one has seen the Cylons in 40 years, so they don't know how their ships will look different now--->one guy points out (accurately) that the basic design should be that of a 'flying wing'; so it's implied they were thinking of the old ones. That, and I think a model of one of the old ones was seen in the Galactica-musuem; anyway, when they see the NEW Raiders for the first time, a pilot reacts in shock that "no one's flying it!"; the "head" part was too small to have a Cylon Centurion sitting inside of it flying it; this would seem to imply that the OLD Raiders were exactly like TOS ones: with a Cylon flying them. ---Ricimer, 22, Sept, 2005

:: I don't know that that's enough to warrant mentioning that they were piloted by three Centurians and all the details that we have. I think it would be best to make "Cylong Raider (RDM)" nearly entirely about the autonomous Raiders we see so frequently in the series with perhaps a note in the Notes section mentioning that pilots expressed surprise that no one was piloting them and what their comments were, exactly, about the flying wing deal. Let the reader decide. I don't like displaying a picture at all. The museum was a nod to TOS, and I don't think it counts as precisely canon. Obviously, in the early stages of the first Cylon War, the Cylons were the same as built by the Colonials and were flying Colonial craft, but by the time it got to where they were working out of Basestars, I imagine they were manufacturing their own craft, too, so there's no reason to think that the craft the pilots were thinking of was Colonial in origin at all. I also dislike the mention of common tactics... That's never been mentioned on-screen in RDM at all, I don't think. --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:20, 19 January 2006 (EST)

==Split?==
This needs to be split into three articles - one for TOS, and one each for the piloted and autonomous RDM models. Anybody have ideas for article titles?

Additionally, should this be "Cylon Raider" or just "Raider"? We don't call them Colonial Vipers, after all. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:49, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:I agree that "Raider" should suffice. "Cylon Raider" might be necessary if we needed to distinguish it from a Colonial model. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:06, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:: Definately split into (TOS) and (RDM) name spaces. I think we could stick with the name Cylon Raider. I think they've called them that several times in the series and I take it to be the more "official" name (from the Colonial POV. Maybe the Cylons call them Daggits. Who knows?) --[[User:Day|Day]] 06:20, 19 January 2006 (EST)

i ahve deleted the tos cylon raider information off page and directed users to the main tos raider article. we should continue with this, and do the same with the video game raider.--[[User:Lgamser|Lgamser]] 19:27, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
:Is [[Cylon Raider]] to become a disambation page? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:36, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

No i have just moved it to a new name space to rdm, so we are still retaining it, but just moved it to a new name space--[[User:Lgamser|Lgamser]] 19:43, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
:k. Tons of edits on pages that link to [[Cylon Raider]]. That's why I ask before I start going through the pages that have them. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:46, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

I think we need to fix this split: now there's no piloted Raider info at all. Yes, we know from the Miniseries that old Piloted Raiders look like TOS Raiders, and Ripper in the Miniseries seemed surprised that they ''were not'' piloted, positing that the old ones were. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:42, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

==Virus==
Kahran wrote:
:''The new Raider is also succeptable to the same type of system-crashing virus which it has been known to transmit itself. ("[[Flight of the Pheonix]]")''
Not correct. First of all, we've never actually seen a raider transmit a virus. In the miniseries, they exploited a back door in the CNP to shut down the fleet directly; in "Valley of Darkness" we saw a virus but for logical reasons, it could not possibly have originated from outside the ship; and in "Flight of the Phoenix" we again saw a backdoor being exploited, this time in the other direction. Secondly, it is completely unsurprising that a Cylon agent such as Caprica-Valerii would have knowledge of how to access such a backdoor in her own people's technology. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:37, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:I'm questioning a part of the reasoning here. In the miniseries, the raiders exploit the CNP backdoors and command shutdown of Colonial systems. Yes; no "virus" is transmitted there. But in "Scattered" we hear Gaeta specifically discussing an infiltration attempt--

::Gaeta: "Here they come. Cylons are hacking our network. Attempting to access our gateway." 

:Later, ''Galactica'' contracts a virus. Since ''Galactica's'' systems were never networked prior and never have used the CNP (which, combined with Gaeta's information, confirms CNP is still not installed), a virus is most likely to have come from the outside, that some ship in the Cylon attack body was at work in cracking ''Galactica's'' computer network and infecting it a'la the tactics used in Cylon War I. This does NOT necessarily mean that the fighters did it (although screen shots show Gaeta's firewall ''fail'' moments before he disconnects it). The Centurions that board could have installed it, but we have no information to confirm this, nor does this make sense. Such an infection would only affect maybe one subsystem since the Centurions could not gain access to all primary, now-again isolated subsystems. They likely could infect only one, and that infection could not spread. Same would be true if a Cylon agent were to install a virus; the isolated subsystems would make it too impossible to infect all at once without attracting attention (Gaeta's and the rest of CIC, that is). The Cylon attack body is the likely cause of the virus, since it affects many subsystems that are normally isolated and they had the means to infect through their hacking. A virus isn't "transmitted," but installed once infiltration is successful. Kahran's wording is incorrect. The sentence should say: The new Raider is subceptible to system-crashing viruses if the fighter's subsystems themselves are infiltrated (Flight of the Phoenix)"--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:07, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::I'll reply backwards, since your last point was the most relevant one - "The new Raider is subceptible to system-crashing viruses if the fighter's subsystems themselves are infiltrated" is true, but it's also ''obvious'', and therefore not worth stating. In fact, there is no computer system for which that statement is ''not'' true.

::Second, as regarding the events of "Valley of Darkness": Having two computers networked is not sufficient to make them vulnerable to attack. In order to receive a "virus" or any other sort of malware from off-ship, one of the components must have had a connection to the outside world via some sort of RF ("wireless") frequency. Thus, of the four computers Gaeta networked, at least one must already have been vulnerable.

::However, Galactica's entire design ethos was explicitly meant to separate vulnerable functions. There is no conceivable reason that any of the four systems Gaeta connected (FTL, Navigation, Fire control, Damage control) would need access to a wireless tranceiver. Therefore, the only plausible source for the virus was from ''within'' the ship itself. This does not present much of a contradiction - the simple fact of networking those four systems together would be a great moment of opportunity for an infiltrator to plant a virus for maximum effect. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:58, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:::That's a good point, and one I purposefully addressed indirectly in the [[Computers]] article. We have to strike it up to one of three issues: (1) A retcon issue; (2) the mainframe computer (which may handle communications) is the most resistant to infiltration since it must ALWAYS have wireless up and running for fighter chat (DRADIS is managed through the Nav computer), or (3) the comm system is NOT computer-based or operated, but a hardwire system that transmits its data in a manner which cannot infect the mainframe in some manner. When other computers are connected to it via Gaeta's gateway (which also exposes the computers to the hardwired comm system network), the Cylons infiltrate by hacking the exposed ''gateway'' Gaeta created, not the computers. Yes, normally the other computers DON'T need or have access to the each other. But the ''gateway'' created was vulnerable because it's the comm system that's likely used to create one for the networking of the computers. Once the gateway was up, all but the comm system was vulnerable for reasons below.

:::In fact, a part of "Flight of the Phoenix" bears this speculation out: Gaeta has wiped the hard drives of ALL computers while Valerii is working on her unique virus in her head for the Cylon fleet. She transmits it out, but on what? All computers are down. This suggests that the comm systems (connected through her arm from the mainframe, which suggests it and the comm system also have a connection), while monitored through the mainframe, are not entirely computer-based since no computer was up to aid Valerii in hacking the enemy network AND transmitting the virus directly. Gaeta notes the transmission, indicating that comm was still up although the computers are still under restoration. In short, Cylons have never been able to hack ''Galactica's'' mainframe or comm systems, but once that ad hoc gateway was up, the other computers were exposed and the enemy had what they needed to hack in and infect. This doesn't explain the logic bomb, which I think is bad writing: how would it spread over a non-networked series of computers? It would mean that each computer had a copy of the bomb. But then, how would it activate? The comm/mainframe cannot be hacked and so cannot send the "execute" command to the logic bombs on the other computers, right? I smell contrivance, but its the best sense I can make of it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:23, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::::I like the "Gateway attack" scenario (limited window created by Gaeta's jury-rigging), but it seems like all of these scenarios are running under the assumption that the virus/logic bomb infected the system from the outside. That may be the case (and Flight of the Phoenix seemed to prove that it could be transmitted that way, at least to the Raiders), but isn't it possible for ''Galactica'''s systems to have been infected from the ''inside''? With several potential humano-cylons on the loose inside the fleet, it may turn out that some of the computer problems have been done as part of an "inside job". I have NOTHING to support that, but I just wanted to raise the possibility (if it hadn't already been mentioned). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:06, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:::::This is what I've been saying all along. Am I not speaking english? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:29, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::::::Didn't see that little bit right there at the end... "would be a great moment of opportunity for an infiltrator to plant a virus for maximum effect" or perhaps I read it as an external attacker. I'm guessing that possibility is generally being overlooked in favor of the more straightforward external network attack. I hope that this angle is explored more and not left to speculation, as I don't think that it can be definitely proven how the system was compromised. (Which is what you've been saying this whole time. At least the message has spread one person further.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:46, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::I noted the possibility of Cylon agent infiltration, but again this requires the agent to individually infect ALL computers, or place an infection that won't replicate / install itself until/unless computers were networked. That's a whole lot of "if's". It's not that an agent infected the computers isn't possible, but based on what we've seen, it's not probable. We don't know if Biers is off Galactica, but she likely is. We don't know what the remaining agents look like. We do know that that Valerii said what would happen with the infection that did occur. It's even possible that her Galactica counterpart infected systems before she shot Adama. But that conflicts with what Gaeta watched during the jump calcs in Scattered. I just want some source that gives credibility to the internal hypothesis. (See, SV--we sysops are all having a nice, friendly discussion... :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:33, 4 January 2006 (EST)

::::::::A virus could have been planted (through a hardline, onboard the ship) into one of the four networked systems during Scattered, and then spread to the other three in short order. I think it's actually fairly likely that there's an unknown cylon agent on Galactica - probably somebody of the lower ranks who we haven't seen, or else C-Valerii would have identified him.

::::::::For my sake, could you please try and restate the points in your second post, the one immediately after my reply? I have the feeling you're trying to say something interesting, but your wording is too confusing for me to untangle. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:56, 4 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::::Sure.
::::::::::* Since ''something'' has to be able to send out or match up command recognition codes, the mainframe and comm system work together, although comm (likely not a computer per se) can work independently of any computer system (note Valerii transmitting the virus code to the Cylon fleet in "Phoenix" although ''Galactica's'' computers are down).
::::::::::* I suspect the mainframe is inherently resistant to infection, or isolated from infection despite its role with the comm system. However, the mainframe's ''gateway'', which forms a network if other computers are connected, is not resistant. This is what the Cylons will hack into since the comm system is always up and routes data from it to the mainframe and the gateway. From the gateway a virus enters the most vulnerable computer and copies itself into others. Once situated, it begins its work.
::::::::::* The mainframe (which, as Doral said, may barely deserve the name of "computer") is highly resistant to infection or infiltration. It can also create firewalls to protect itself (Gaeta did this). It's analogous to the Mac OS X computers versus Windows computers today--both do the same, but one is designed well enough not to have infiltration issues as severely as the other. But even the mainframe can be rooted if given time; the Cylon virus adapts and learns.
::::::::::* An internal attack by a Cylon agent is possible but not probable. For what we know, all computers are centrally located in CIC. An agent would have to sit and hack or insert code into each system manually. This would require physical access that only a few have (this adds fire to the Gaeta-is-a-Cylon argument).
::::::::::* Barring plot complication we haven't seen, we are led (and only have evidence aired so far) that the virus attack was external. Otherwise, despite the point that humano-Cylons like to play with their prey, we'd think that the Cylons would have hacked ''Galactica's'' computers and killed the ship by now. Centurions never visited the CIC, so they're out as infectors, unless there was a fiber optic conduit for one of the closed computers they could've used to do so as they marauded the ship.
::::::::::* The "logic bomb" concept was specious; it couldn't travel through to the other computers (no network), and the system failures throughout the ship suggest that the computers fully control ''Galactica's'' subsystems like life support. Of course, the computers probably never fully cleaned, which makes more sense for system failures. Isn't that a network? Doesn't work. By the same token, for Cylons to activate the bomb from their fighter armada implies that Gaeta's ad-hoc network is up again and allowing hack commands to enter ''Galactica.'' BIG, freight-train sized science gaffe for the sake of plot. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:01, 4 January 2006 (EST)
:::::::::::: For the sake of speculation, I'm going to state it as a given that the systems are not networked in any traditional sense and that the FTL, Navigation, Fire control, and Damage control computers are infected, and the Nav computer actually does manage DRADIS. Isn't it possible for the Cylons to have taken into account the fact that the ad-hoc network would be disabled before the virus could complete it's run, and build in contingencies for such an event? The DRADIS by nature would require a transceiver of some form. Even if that receiver is not designed to process such information, it would theoretically be possible send some sort of recognizable signal through it to the Nav computer to act as a trigger. Beyond that, the damage control computer would, by necessity, be connected to every system on the ship to monitor for failure conditions. In addition, the other three computers should be able to detect and/or set error condition markers for the systems they monitor and control. While nowhere near an efficient or traditional mode of communication, it could serve in a limited sense. The Cylons would be aware of, if not intimately acquainted with the designs for all battlestars thanks to Number Six's infiltration of the Defense Mainframe. Am I the only one who sees this as plausible? [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 15:15, 8 January 2006 (EST)
:::::::::::::Triggering a virus through DRADIS is plausible if it's ''already there'', but planting one that way is not. It must have come in through a comm channel (as Spencerian argues) or from inside the ship (as I do). None of the system failures in Flight of the Phoenix require a network to be in place anyway - once the logic bomb had infected the four sub-systems, it would procede to sabotage them independantly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:22, 8 January 2006 (EST)
:::::::::::::: As I said, I was making the fact that the systems were already infected a given. I was simply trying to explain the aparent coordination of the systems going down and how the Cylons kicked it into high gear, so to speak. However, the thought now comes to mind that, aside from the modifications ot CNP, the DRADIS control software could have also been modified pre-infection to enable it's use as a backdoor. (I know, reaching, but it floated to the top of my brain, so I go there...) [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 15:35, 8 January 2006 (EST)

==Image Discussion==

Okay, I had changed the Raider (new) image to a more accurate image of the raider (of how it really is supposed to look) but Merv changed it back. Instead of changing it back (which would predictably lead him to do the opposite) I leave it as a subject of discussion. I think the other pic, or at least that type of pic, is better than the present one, since it is more representative of the new cylon architecture than the set model, and it is also in its natural habitat. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22 March 2006
:Actually you did the right think by moving the discussion here. Well, it's not in it's "natural habitat" this is a wireframe picture of a Raider; the skin isn't very detailed and "metallic" but slate gray, and look, the eye isn't even colored in ''red''. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:41, 21 March 2006 (CST)
::What about this one? It's complete, because its the model Zoic used in the end.
[[Image:CyRaider.jpg|thumb|]]
:::Well, I'll just ask again which everyone prefers, if no one answes I'll proceed to putting this pic and seeing how it decelops.... --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22 March 2006

::No, Sauron, you're still just using a ''model''; it's the default one that Zoic sticks in, but the coloring is all wrong; please don't jump ahead on this one and "if no one answers proceed to use it" (you probably meant this less abrasively than it sounds). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:23, 21 March 2006 (CST)

:::I prefer the screen capture to the render. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:25, 22 March 2006 (CST)

::::Well, what I meant with my comment is that if no one answered in a while I would just assume they accepted it., and therefore I would place it. Though I know this is an actual finished model (we see them the same in many times), I shall find a screencap then. I just don't like for the "set" raider to be seen as the New raider, since it doesnt't have exactly the same design, it is noticeably more round and squat than it should be (it is also not as metallic as it should be). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22 March 2006

:::It would appear that Sauron18 is advocating for a picture of the ''video game'' Raider. You have to understand, that video game rendering is ''kindergartener crayon-drawing quality'' compared to a professional film-quality rendering. Everything is going to appear drabber, edge-ier (because of the whole thing with facets and polygons), and be distorted at odd viewing angles. Does this denote the "true" look of the object? No. Does this mean there is a different version of the object? No. ''Star Wars'' suffers from this crazed, ignorant fanaticism wherein the video game models are scaled/modelled/depicted in such varying degrees of quality from the original model they are meant to represent (in order to get the game out in a hurry, and/or keep the gameplay efficient), that certain "challenged" individuals get all frothy-mouthed and claim the video game objects as different variants of the object. Soon, you've got fifty different TIE fighters in the SW Universe, all because the rendering of the panels is slightly different from game to game.

:::Big frakkin' deal. A TIE is a TIE is a TIE. Same here... a Raider is a Raider... is a Raider.

:::Now, pardon my rant, but it leads into... I don't consider video game depictions as "official canon". Peripheral, supplemental canon, or canon-taken-with-a-disclaimer, perhaps. With that said, I don't think a rendering from the video game should be used to be the "official representation" of an object like the Raider. The screen capture should be used, or, if you want it to look cleaner, the '''''official''''' for-screen Zoic model rendering should be used. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 09:14, 22 March 2006 (CST)
::::I don't think he means using a video game model but the Zoic CGI one. I'll see if I can find a good shot that shows it's shape well. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:31, 22 March 2006 (CST)

:::::Talos is right, I wasn't talking about the game one (don't know where you got that). I was talking about the Zoic model (the picture of which I posted). I too shall look for an on screen full appeareance. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22 March 2006

== Comparision to Cyclone from Dark Reign ==

Hello, let me preface by saying that I'm a big fan of BSG (RDM) and I'm very new to wiki, so sorry for any mistakes I make. I have a question about the artwork. While I love the series, I have always been bugged by the striking similarities between the cylon raider and a flying unit in a 1997 video game [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Reign/ Dark Reign] called Cyclone. I found an image online at http://www.csoon.com/issue30/shots/picdr1.jpg. Any suggestion or comments? --[[User:Gozzard|Gozzard]] 03:36, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

:[[Wikipedia:Dark Reign]] is the easiest way to write that link; you seem to have thrown in a trailing slash on the URL, which causes your link to be broken. For anyone that wants to learn more about the unit particular, [http://www.gamespot.com/features/darkreign_wt/imperium14.html this] is a description. The screenshot on that page contains two (the ones with green bars over them), and a build order for 6 more is visible in the right-hand panel.

:Anyway, having played Dark Reign myself, I don't think the similarities merit mention. The back structure of the Cyclone does not bear a heavy resemblence, and the in-game color scheme is not particularly close. There is also the notable absence of the trademark red eye from the Cyclone. Both designs seem more inspired by a pincer than the Raider seems inspired by the Cyclone. The Cyclone is also substantially different in weapons loadout, purpose, and capabilities. In fact, if I recall correctly, it hovers (or uses ground effect or whatever) and uses some kind of pulsed energy weapon. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:13, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

== Naming Consistency ==

Shouldn't we just call this article [[Raider (RDM)]], since the other articles on Raiders tend to be simply "Raider (disambiguator)"? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 13:26, 6 October 2007 (CDT)
:Probably yes, but I wouldn't bother fixing all the links to this name. Not even with the bot. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:49, 6 October 2007 (CDT)

== New Raider design from 'Razor'. ==

Having recently re-watched Razor I noticed that the CGI model of the new Raider seemed different. This was especially evident in the battle at the Scorpion shipyards, where we see it up close as it launches a missile at Pegasus; it appears to be more angular (and more threatening, actually). I think that this could be a retcon of the design, just as one was made for the Cylon baseships in Season 3 and the Viper Mk VII in 'Maelstrom'. If someone has a DVD on Razor on hand, I think it would be good to get a screen cap of that. There's been a lot of retconning in that respect lately, hasn't there? --Helo87
: You'll find the screencaps [http://cappa.frakr.com/v/battlestar_galactica/rdm/razor here]. As for the CGI models, BSG now does a lot of inhouse work, so the ships and like look different. From what I've read so far from Hutzel (who did an interview a while back about the CGI), they're reworking the Centurion model as well so that it works better with live action, since we'll be seeing a lot more of the new Cylon Centurions in S4. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 00:58, 5 January 2008 (CST)

== Raider Design from Season 4 Episode One ==

It seems that the Viper Mk VII and the Raiders are getting a make over in their CGIs. The new Raider "eye" is now more of a V shape than was seen in the mini series.

A comparison to prove my point: [http://img1.tvloop.com/img/showpics/c8/25/l352c54880000_1_22927.jpg V-Shape] vs. [[Image:Raider head..jpg]]

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2006-02-16T05:17:18Z

Blacklight: little bout myself

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Stats on the MMORPG: Vendetta-Online: [http://www.vo-wiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Blacklight Blacklight]

User:Blacklight

2006-02-16T05:04:56Z

Blacklight: age and name

Real Name: Andrew Dinh
Location: San Diego, California

User:Steelviper

2006-02-16T05:03:44Z

Blacklight: wanted list, cool!

{{Character Data|
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|birthname=Matt Williams
|callsign=Steelviper
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== Periodically Updated Thought ==
''"It has to start somewhere. It has to start sometime. What better place than here? What better time than now?" - RATM ("Guerilla Radio")''
:It's a great day to help make BattlestarWiki a global community!

==Battestarwiki Projects==
===[[Battlestar Wiki:Original Series Article Development Project|TOS Improvement Project]]===

Priorities (in no particular order):

* Episode summaries
**There's only one season worth of material, so there's not much excuse not to have episode summaries on all of the TOS episodes.

* Galactica 1980 Content
**[[User:Mokwella|Mokwella]] has contributed a wealth of info on this, so I'm trying to format it and categorize it to be uniform.
**This sort of falls outside the scope of TOS, but since it is part of the more neglected content so I'm hoping we can bring it along.
**I need a pic and bio info for "Col. Boomer" from the 1980 series.

===[[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images|Island of Misfit Images]]===
I'd encourage everybody to check out the [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images|Island of Misfit Images]], the home of some images that have been uploaded but not linked to. Hopefully you can either help them find a good home, or help identify ones that need to be deleted.

===[[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Administrators' noticeboard]]===
I've got this added to my watchlist. We'll see whether or not the idea catches on.

===[[Battlestar Wiki:Translation Project|Translation Project]]===
I've been helping out some with the i18n effort. (Yep, there are 18 letters between the "i" and the "n", and that's the way we used to abbreviate it at one of my former jobs.) As we start to get more native/advanced speakers onboard this I'll probably focus more on my usual link-fixing/pattern following habits on the translated pages, leaving the real translation to the people that possess such talents.

==Development Pages==
Experimental pages or pages in development that aren't ready for the main namespaces (yet).

* [[User:Steelviper/CommunityPortal]] - a group effort to prototype the community portal

==Future Projects==

* TOS Character histories
**If nobody else has done this, I may start updating the character histories of major characters to be more like [[Boomer (TOS)]], having a brief synopsis of what happens to them throughout the series (complete with episode citations).

==See Also==
I have been known to post to civfanatics.com, glocktalk.com, ar15.com, and bikeforums.net using this same handle. So if you see a Steelviper there, it's me. I also have a Steelviper account over at wikipedia now, but I've got about 5 edits.

==Wanted List==
Cool! (sorry about the late response) :) --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Talk:Resurrection Ship, Part II/Archive 1

2006-01-07T08:29:02Z

Blacklight: spoiler pics

==Spoiler Pics==
I have found a few spoiler pics for the upcomming episode. (You have been warned) [http://static.flickr.com/42/78613683_f09776998e_o.jpg Pic 1], [http://static.flickr.com/38/78613674_b16762349b_o.jpg Pic 2], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613656_d89c65ba6e_o.jpg Pic 3], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613628_cfb3e5df9d_o.jpg Pic 4], [http://static.flickr.com/41/78613606_63c01fb6a3_o.jpg Pic 5], [http://static.flickr.com/39/78613585_82c2d24d36_o.jpg Pic 6], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613544_b764955ab4_o.jpg Pic 7] --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Talk:Resurrection Ship, Part I/Archive 1

2006-01-07T07:21:41Z

Blacklight:

For source: http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=1497

[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:09, 8 Jul 2005 (EDT)
* http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=1756 [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 20:03, 19 September 2005 (EDT)

==Director==
[[Wikipedia:Alan Smithee|Alan Smithee]] is not a real person. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:26, 16 November 2005 (EST)
*Just a joke placeholder name; other pages had "suchandsuch" and "whoisit" etc for stuff so I just put in a placeholder. Besides, Mr. Smithee has brought us such wonderful works as the ''excellent'' 1984 adaptation of "Dune" and the animated 1978 Lord of the Rings. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:32, 16 November 2005 (EST)
::I think we should leave it blank until we know. What if a director really wants his name removed from an episode at some point? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:16, 17 November 2005 (EST)

:::Reminds me of this Eric Idle movie "Burn Hollywood Burn"; basically, he's the director of what's going to be the biggest movie of the decade...and also the biggest flop. It's got a gigantic special effects budget (like 3 disaster movies and 3 action movies roled into one). It's called "Trio" and it stars the action 'trio' of Slyvester Stallone, Jackie Chan, and Whoopi Goldberg (I kid you not, they actually appear in this thing; yeah, a gun-toting Whoopi Goldberg). Well, the idea behind "Allen Smithee" is it's an unusual made up name no one would really have, so that when a hollywood studio so butchers a director's project that it is A) not his creative vision at all and he was completely cut off from it and B) it would be career suicide to be associated with such a flop. Eric Idle's character the director of Trio who really has no control over it whatsover as the studio writers and execs are calling the shots (they put him in charge of camerawork and little else), so when he finally sees the finished rough cut he declares "It's worse than Showgirls!" and demands for it to be an "Allen Smithee production". Problem is, through blind luck Eric Idle's character's ''real'' name is "Allen Smithee"! And according to the director's guild rules the only name you can replace as director for the film is "Allen Smithee". So he goes berserk and steals the rough cuts of the film and hides them so the film can never be shown (it was a movie-in-a-movie thing about everyone trying to get the movie back). Dear god, the descriptions of "Trio" were like sitting in on a Berman and Braga writing session; Whoopi and Jackie's characters die in the end, while Stallone's character gets a sex change. However, Jackie Chan was so adamant that in his movies his character ''never'' dies that eventually they compromised by saying that his character does die, but gets ''reincarnated''. Sort of like the old "We can never have enough time travel or parallel universes on Star Trek!" routine they pulled on us.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:17, 17 November 2005 (EST)

==New Template==

Oh, that thing is SAWEEET! --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 18:06, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:Ain't it? Thank Joe--it was a last minute project he launched on us today. We've all been tinkering the afternoon away with it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:50, 6 January 2006 (EST)

== Speculation ==

Could the "Resurection Ship" refer to a ship where the conciousness of [[Humano-Cylons]] are transferred into new bodies? --[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 21:58, 6 January 2006 (EST)
:Welcome to the Wiki. I'm sorry, but we have known this for months. Please check around --23:32, 6 January 2006 (EST)
::Actually, looking at this [[Talk:Pegasus_(episode)|talk page]], the suggestion was merely speculation; this episode confirmed it. It's a valid question. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 02:07, 7 January 2006 (EST)

==Analysis not Review==
''(Text from Analysis moved by Ricimer deleted for brevity of the talk page. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]])''

"Analysis" is for making detailed, '''point by point''' observations, criticisms, speculations etc. It is not a "Review", which is more what you wrote seems like. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:13, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:I considered your viewpoint after huffing about this emotionally at first, then having a beer. Then I reverted your edit, Ricimer. For one, such analyses are prevalent throughout the episode pages. I made a similar analysis on "Final Cut" if memory serves and yet this did sit well with others. Analyses like this cannot HELP but take on a singular viewpoint at first. But, as others edit it, it will take on the consensus viewpoint. An analysis like this also gets the conversation started. If you see something noted that did not happen, by all means do remove or modify it and perhaps add your take on it too. "Battlestar Galactica" is fiction, not fact--an analysis here ''is '' by function, a review. Allow others to add, modify, or delete their 2 cents to my 2 cents on the episode before making such a dramatic edit (which, if you reread, does not contain any speculation but a take on what was seen). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:35, 7 January 2006 (EST)

::Beer's a wonderful thing ain't it? --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 00:40, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:::Actually I prefer stims, they take the edge off. Actually, I was observing good etiquette for moving something I questioned to the talk page rather than deleting it out of hand. I have done nothing outrageous. Upon further thought, I guess it can stay. I will make my own comments under "Analysis" as I get to them. As you were, 5x5. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:46, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:::Breaking it down into bullet points would be nice, though. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:42, 7 January 2006 (EST)

::::I agree; this was my biggest complaint, yet I did not want to be so presumptuous as to ''change'' things Spencerian had actually written by adding in ''my own'' bulleted points (putting words in his mouth as it were, much worse than moving to talk page). Punch this up if at all possible with some handy bullet points. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:46, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:::::In the future, you shouldn't hesitate. Constructive modifications are much better than deleting useful content outright. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:58, 7 January 2006 (EST)
::::::I am sorry. I thought the one was more offensive than the other. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:06, 7 January 2006 (EST)

==General Comments==

Wow. Did anyone else find Kara and Cain's relationship kind of spooky? I'd like to make mention of their connection on the page but I'm not sure how to word it... --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 00:24, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:Yes. Remember that Kara has issues of violence of her own. It's what makes her a strong pilot, but she is mentally, a barely caged psyche. At the same time, she may have been going along with Cain, realizing she's a nut. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:35, 7 January 2006 (EST)

::Disagree. That chick was gettin' sucked in like nobody's business. (If she wasn't why would/will she speak so kindly of Cain at her coming funeral?) --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 00:44, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:::I don't think it's so much "spooky" from what I've seeen; simply, Starbuck is drunk on the idea of going back to Caprica; Cain read the logs, she knew about this ALREADY, Cain knew what strings to pull to win Starbuck over to her side. Battlefield promotion and a ''token'' compromise (returning Apollo to flight status) didn't hurt either (like Cain would ground ANY able-bodied pilots, much less Apollo whose one of their best, before quite possibly the biggest attack EVER made against the Cylons). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:48, 7 January 2006 (EST)

::::Yep. That does sound like Cain. At first I didn't want to give her credit for those kind of tactical chops because of her (in the end) self-destructive tendencies (much like Starbuck BTW), but... who am I kiddin'? She's a pitbull. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 00:57, 7 January 2006 (EST)

==Die Cast or Plastic?==

Apparently Galactica has a small contingent of bored, fugitive employees of Revell on board... 'cuz they sure as heck had shiny new models of both the Blackbird and the R.S. on hand in short order. And just in time for that military strategy session. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 02:17, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:Yeah, I've always wondered how they managed to get those little models completed and what they are made out of. Its cool to see small replica models used in the planning. -- [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Talk:Resurrection Ship, Part I/Archive 1

2006-01-07T07:21:13Z

Blacklight:

Season 2 (2005-06)

2006-01-07T06:43:57Z

Blacklight: loaded season 2.0 pic

[[Image:B000BNI90Y.jpg||thumb|Season 2.0]]
==Summary==

: ''Following the discovery [[Kobol]], the arrest of [[Laura Roslin]], and the attempted assassination of [[William Adama]], the [[Fleet]] finds itself thrust in more peril than they originally imagined.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==
*Colonel Tigh commands the Fleet while Adama is incapacitated, instituting [[Wikipedia:martial law|martial law]].
*After the "[[Gideon massacre]]", the Fleet divides into two factions: one which supports Adama, and one which supports [[Laura Roslin faction|Roslin/Zarek]].
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] and [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] discover a Colonial [[resistance (movement)|resistance movement]] on [[Caprica]].
*The Cylons have been rounding up human females in order to artificially inseminate them with hybrid ovum, creating [[farms|breeding farm]]s over [[Caprica]]. Their attempts have been unsuccessful.
*An expedition to [[Kobol]] finds instructions that may lead the Fleet to [[Earth]] inside the [[Tomb of Athena]].
*Starbuck and Helo return to the ''Galactica'' from Caprica; Helo becomes ostracized due to his relationship with [[Sharon Valerii]], who is pregnant with the first successful [[Humano-Cylon|Human-Cylon hybrid]] child.
*''[[Galactica]]'' 's copy of [[Sharon Valerii]] is killed by [[Cally]].
*Roslin and the Quorum of Twelve are re-instituted.
*Two additional [[Humano-Cylon]]s are revealed: [[Simon]] and [[D'anna Biers]].
*Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] and his team build a prototype stealth fighter craft, the [[Blackbird]].
*The Fleet encounters another battlestar that survived the attack, the ''[[Pegasus]]'', which is commanded by Admiral [[Helena Cain]].

{{spoiltext|
*William Adama becomes an admiral; the Pegasus apparently joins the Fleet.
*The Colonials find a large Cylon fleet guarding a massive "Resurrection Ship", which is responsible for boosting the consciousness-transmission range of [[Humano-Cylons]] when their bodies are destroyed.
*''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' engage in a massive battle with the Cylons and destroy the Resurrection Ship. This is a major blow to the Cylons and alters their entire strategy towards destroying the Rag Tag Fleet. As RDM stated in an interview with [[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/01/president_rosli.html the Chicago Tribune on January 4th, 2006]], "“The destruction of the resurrection ship impacts the way the Cylons deal with Galactica and the colonial fleet the rest of the season. It alters their tactics. They stop trying to make full-blown, all-out assaults on the fleet, they retreat and go into a hit-and-run mode while they figure out a way to replicate the ship.” "}}

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as Commander [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as President [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as Captain [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as Vice-President Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Lieutenant Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla|Petty Officer 2nd Class Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek|Representative Tom Zarek]]
* [[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya|Billy Keikeya]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta|Lieutenant Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Leah+Cairns Leah Cairns] as [[Margaret Edmonson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicki+Clyne Nicki Clyne] as [[Cally|Specialist Cally]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dominic+Zamprogna Dominic Zamprogna] as [[Jammer]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Luciana+Carro Luciana Carro] as [[Louanne Katraine|Lt. Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Moore, Ronald D.|Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Eick, David|David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Harvey+Frand Harvey Frand] - Producer
* [[Larson, Glen A.|Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors===

===Writing Staff===

==Episodes==

*2.01: [[Scattered]]
*2.02: [[Valley of Darkness]]
*2.03: [[Fragged]]
*2.04: [[Resistance]]
*2.05: [[The Farm]]
*2.06: [[Home, Part I]]
*2.07: [[Home, Part II]]
*2.08: [[Final Cut]]
*2.09: [[Flight of the Phoenix]]
*2.10: [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]
*2.11: [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]
*2.12: [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]
*2.13: [[Epiphanies]]
*2.14: [[Black Market]]
*2.15: [[Scar]]
*2.16: [[Sacrifice]]
*2.17: [[The Captain's Hand]]
*2.18: [[Downloaded]]
*2.19: [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
*2.20: [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]

== Official Statements ==

* ''"Please do something about the consumables questions; fuel, food, ammo, clothing etc., where is this stuff coming from?"''
: Water is addressed in... uh, "[[Water]]." Fuel is addressed in "[[The Hand of God|Hand of God]]". Other consumables will be addressed in the second season. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''Regarding Second Season Renewal''

:So it's official: we're doing a second season.

:To say that this is happy news is to indulge in a display of understatement. The road to television success is a long one, littered with various hurdles, all of which must be vaulted: the studio pitch session, the network pitch, the story outline, the first draft script, the second draft script, the green-light to produce [[Mini-Series|the pilot]], casting the pilot, making the pilot, ordering the series, producing the series, getting the reviews, getting an audience, and then.... getting a second season. We've managed to clear that hurdle and it feels frakking good.

:We've been working on the first six episodes for a couple of months now and we're gearing up to prep them for filming, probably in late March. Season Two will be heavily influenced by the end of [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season One]], so it's hard to get into anything remotely specific until the [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|last episode]] has aired in the US. I could say... well... er... not much. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Will we ever get any more of the back story to the Cylon Wars?, ie What started them and how did the [[Colonials|Colonists]] (sic) drive them away."''

:We will see more of this backstory as the series unfolds. Some of the inter-war period will be explored in the first few episodes of Season 2. Other tales of the first [[Cylon War]]s will be filled in eventually. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Will we see any of the original cast apart from Richard Hatch. "''

:It's possible, but not yet on the board. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Please show more of the blue collar guys keeping everything in check on the other ships. Guys that would have clocked out and gone home had the holocaust not happened. Not really a question sorry."''

:We have plans for this in the second season. [[Cally]], for instance, never planned to stay in the service and her enlistment was nearly up at the time of the attack. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

*''"Will there be any development between characters on what distinguishes a Sagittaran from Caprican, Virgon, or any of the 12 Colonies? Did they develop separately their own cultures and even different religions on their worlds? I'm glad the element of different worlds or nationalities was kept in the show."''

:This is an area we didn't get a chance to get very far with in the [[Season 1 (2004-05)|first season]], and I'm hoping we explore more fully in the second. I think that some of the [[Colonies]] have developed very different cultures and attitudes from one another and that it's rich ground for us. We alluded to some differences here and there, but mostly we talked about the "Federal" (for lack of a better word) governmental structures. We do know that there was a sizable opposition to the Colonial government. [[Conoy, Leoben|Leoben]] claimed to be an arms dealer supplying freedom fighters or terrorists, depending on your point of view, and [[Zarek, Tom|Tom Zarek]] was the jailed leader of a sometimes violent opposition, so it stands to reason that there are a wide variety of views, some of which come into violent conflict with one another. It's also worth bearing in mind that one of the uses for which the [[Cylons]] were originally used by the Colonies was as soldiers in their wars against one another. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Granted that a season two at this point is just ink on paper punctuated by a big question mark, but I have a “practical” question to ask. Should the series move forward, to what extent would you want to explore the practical issues of life in the fleet–you’ve touched on the basics of food, fuel and water, but how about problems such as finding enough doctors to treat the population, providing life support on ships not originally intended as passenger vessels and dealing with the inevitable fiefdoms arising on these mix and match metal life rafts? "''

:I would very much like to continue exploring these issues in the second year and beyond. I'm intrigued by playing the situation as realistically as dramatically possible and I think these sorts of questions are wonderful material for the show. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] discusses the results of [[Lee Adama]]'s actions in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]":'''

: I think I've read four scripts out of the 20, so I don't know that much. But the ''[[Galactica]]'' still needs him despite themselves. He's a prisoner because of what he's done, but he's still needed because when situations arise he's still one of the best pilots. There aren't that many pilots full stop.

: He's used to command, he's used to following orders. So when the [[Cylons]] are pressing [see: [[Valley of Darkness]]] he has to come out of the brig. But he has to give his word, his parole, that when he's off-duty he'll return to his prison. He's in a strange limbo of finding himself being given authority but having none, it's a strange situation he finds himself in. [http://gateworld.net/galactica/articles/bamber01.shtml]

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 2 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]
{{Episode List}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]

Talk:Resurrection Ship/Archive 1

2006-01-07T05:53:07Z

Blacklight:

I thought that the unknown cylon ship was shaped like a taurus? The ship that Starbuck took photos of in the blackbird was definintly not the same ship that was seen in Cain's earlier recon photos. Is this a completley different ship? Or did the writers just change the design of it because they didnt like the donut shaped one? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 23:19, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:Good question. That original shot in Pegasus looked different to me too. If you listen to the podcast for this episode it only gets more confusing. RDM says that the design for the Reurrection Ship was finalized quite a while back. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 23:27, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:: It is extremely blurred in the photos, as far as I can tell. Hence the recon op. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:33, 6 January 2006 (EST)

Perhaps. After looking at it carefully, the ship in the recon photo looks like it could be the ship we saw in Res Ship part 1, if you put it "on its side" in relation to the basestars. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 23:42, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:::That was what I was thinking. It may look different from a different angle. Perhaps we should use this [http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/935/resship5fk.jpg pic] as another pic? Unless, ofcourse, someone has a better pic (hopefully). [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Talk:Resurrection Ship/Archive 1

2006-01-07T05:52:50Z

Blacklight:

Talk:Unknown Cylon Ship/Archive 1

2006-01-07T04:05:05Z

Blacklight: /* Another Pic? */

==Superweapon? Flagship?==
The Unknown Cylon Ship is not only a Raider factory and command and control ship, but it is also a superweapon and it may be the flagship of operations of the Cylon leader himself. --[[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 14:29, 16 October 2005 (EDT)
*I'm assuming you mean "I THINK that it is a superweapon"; the way you phrase it is confusing. And probably not. I mean what's it going to do, destroy a planet? The Twelve Colonies have already been devastated by nuclear attack! That, and we have already speculated that it is the flagship of the new Imperious Leader--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 14:35, 16 October 2005 (EDT)
:*Trying to get us talking, John? It'll be interesting to see if it works. Looks like you've been around since April, so you know what you're getting into. Present your evidence (I'm unaware of any) and we'll have a look. Good Luck. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 14:50, 16 October 2005 (EDT)
I'll bring in more evidence once the Unknown Cylon Ship finally appears in the 2003/5 remake of Battlestar Galactica. The Imperious Leader hasn't appeared nor was mentioned in the remake yet. -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 16:08, 22 October 2005 (EDT)
::*My money is that it's a Basestar Classic, at least from what I can make out of the recon photos. --[[User:David Templar|David Templar]] 21:29, 22 October 2005 (EDT)

==Official: It's the titular "Resurrection Ship"==

Official releases we're getting from Scifi have confirmed that this is the titular "Resurrection Ship" of the [[Resurrection Ship|episode which bears that name]]. Although we still have no idea '''specificall''' what a "Resurrection Ship" is (although smart money says that it's ''something'' to so with the consciousness-transfer of the humanoid Cylons, we know nothing specific for sure), I say we should move this article to "Resurrection Ship", or would this be to spoilerific?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:12, 10 December 2005 (EST)

:And retitle the episode page "Resurrection Ship (episode)"? Or should this be "Resurrection ship (ship)"? In any case, our spoiler policy would indicate that we shouldn't move the page until the relevant episode airs. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:50, 11 December 2005 (EST)

::We have the spoiler pics from TDA with at least three clear schematics of the ship. Should we change the picture to that? We should also change it's name I think, at least in the article, leave links with the old title until the episode airs, perhaps post a spoiler warning. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 13:46, 23 December 2005 (GMT)

:::We could link to the relevant images from inside a spoiltext filter, I suppose. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:17, 23 December 2005 (EST)

==Another Pic?==
Could this be another shot of the Resurrection Ship? [http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/935/resship5fk.jpg Here]--[[Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:Almost certainly, but our spoiltext tags won't cover pictures, so we can't really add it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:36, 3 January 2006 (EST)

::That's actually the pic I was suggesting on the previous post. We'll have to waith until Friday, when things concerning the ship and pictures aren't considered spoilers anymore. We already know quite a lot (Ship were Cylons are reborn, Lee blows FTL, blah blah). So its just two days, then we can post either that, or a probably clearer version of one of those pics or another.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 4 January 2006

:::Just saw the episode, I guess we should change the "Unknown Cylon Ship" to Resurrection Ship. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Talk:Unknown Cylon Ship/Archive 1

2006-01-07T04:04:44Z

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Talk:Unknown Cylon Ship/Archive 1

2006-01-07T04:03:50Z

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Talk:Unknown Cylon Ship/Archive 1

2006-01-04T02:24:01Z

Blacklight: another possible pic of the resurrection ship...?

File talk:Pegasus01.jpg

2005-10-20T04:37:58Z

Blacklight:

Again, great pic, would you mind telling me where you found it? Thanks ^_^ [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

File talk:Pegasus02.jpg

2005-10-20T04:33:14Z

Blacklight: great pic!

Great Picture, good find, I love how it is soo clear. [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Mercury class battlestar

2005-10-08T23:09:58Z

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[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
[[Image:Pegasus foward ventral A.jpg |thumb|The front view]]

The '''''Mercury'' class''' battlestar is an advanced warship introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]. For the unnamed original class, to which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' belongs, see [[Original Battlestar (RDM)]].

==Overview==

Following the end of the [[Cylon War]], the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. New models employed technologies, such as networked computers, which had been prohibited during the war ([[Mini-Series]]). A ''Mercury''-class battlestar therefore sports several features not found aboard ''Galactica'' such as automated sliding doorways and basic computer recognition stations at vital areas. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], a ''Mercury''-class battlestar was a top-of-the-line craft.

The physical appearance of the ''Mercury''-class is different than that of the original battlestar. The "neck" section is smaller, and the ''Mercury''-class is equipped with eight sublight engine pods, compared the older class's four. These are also more "boxy" in appearance than those of the original. The flight pods also appear to have two entrances each, above and below the midline. Unlike ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'' appears to have a full armor "skin", but in ''Galactica's'' case this may have been deliberately removed prior to its decommissioning.

Based on figures from the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", the standard crew complement of a Mercury-class battlestar is in excess of 2,500.

== Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars ==

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'', for which it presumed the class is named
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])

== Notes ==

[[Image:Pegasus-Comparison.png|thumb|right|Original series/''Mercury'' class comparison]] The shape of the ''Mercury''-class resembles the [[TOS|original series]] [[battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] more than the re-imagined ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Its engine pods are more numerous and appear more directly integrated with its rear section, and its flight pods share the original's angular shape. It is not known if this was a conscious call-back on the part of the design staff.

[[Category:A to Z]] [[Category:Colonial Craft]] [[Category:Colonial Military]] [[Category:RDM]] [[Category:Technology]] [[Category:Battlestars|*]]

Fall of the Twelve Colonies

2005-10-08T18:01:01Z

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[[Image:Header05.jpg|thumb|left|Caprica during the Cylon Attack]]
{| border=1 width=300 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 align=right style="margin-left:1em;margin-bottom:1em"
|+ Battle before: First [[Cylon War]] Concurrent Battle: [[Fall of the Scorpion Ship Yards]] Battle after: [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]]
|colspan=2|
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!colspan=2 bgcolor=#aaaaee|Fall of the Twelve Colonies
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|Conflict||[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
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|Date||[[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Zero Hour]]
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|Place||[[Twelve Colonies]] of [[Kobol]]
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|Result||Decisive Cylon victory, occupation of the Twelve Colonies
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{| border=1 width=300 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0
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!colspan=2 bgcolor=#aaaaee|Combatants
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| width=50%|Twelve Colonies of Kobol
| width=50%|[[Cylon]]s
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!colspan=2|Commanders
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|Admiral [[Nagala]] Commander [[William Adama]]
|Unknown
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!colspan=2|Strength
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|Approx 120 [[Battlestar]]s, [[Viper]]s, [[Raptor]]s, associated support cruisers
|Unknown number of [[Basestar]]s, [[Raider]]s, [[Heavy Raider]]s
|-
!colspan=2|Casualties
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|All but 2 Battlestars, near-total devastation of Colonial Fleet and civilian population
|Unknown, minimal
|}
|}

The devastating opening wave of the [[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon War]], in which the Cylons used a programming backdoor to infiltrate and shut down Colonial Fleet systems. Almost all ships that tried to engage the forces of the Cylon surprise attack suffered immediate and total power failure, "like someone turned off a switch". As a result the Cylon fleet suffered almost no losses and effortlessly destroyed practically all opposition.

Battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'', helmed by [[Commander Adama]], was the only Colonial ship unaffected by the Cylon's computer infiltration, because it's computer systems were never networked. As such, it was presumably the only ship that ever mounted any real defense against attacking Cylon ships. Though ''Galactica'' lost all 20 of her [[Viper]] Mark VII's in their first sortie against the Cylons because theier networked computers were vulnerable to infiltration, she also had 40 Viper Mark II's board as part of it's recent decommissioning ceremony. The Viper Mark II's were an old but robust design, but most importantly never contained the [[Command Navigation Program]] that doomed other fighters and were therefore unaffected by the Cylon computer [[Virus|virus]]. ''Galactica'' was able to re-arm and deploy its Viper Mark II's and repel several attacking squadrons of [[Cylon Raider]]s, even surviving a direct hit from a Cylon tactical nuclear warhead, but not without a loss of 85 of its ship's crew in the port [[flight pod]] and some internal damage.

The Cylons proceeded to start nuking each of the Twelve Colonies, including [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]. After [[The Twelve Colonies#Picon|Picon]] was nuked, the Colonials broadcast an unconditional surrender, which was completely ignored by the Cylons. President [[Adar]] and all Colonial government officials, save for spacebound Secretary of Education [[Laura Roslin]], were presumed killed or missing. The [[Case Orange]] contingency mechanism activated to seek out the remaining government officials, of which only Roslin apparently acknowledged. Sworn in on the government passenger liner ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'', she became the new President of the Twelve Colonies. Roslin immediately began locating other stranded Colonial civilian and miliary vessels to form a convoy. Several ships without [[FTL|faster-than-light]] ability that were located by Roslin had to be left behind without a rescue option by the other FTL ships when the Cylons located the convoy and an attack was imminent. These ships and their passengers were destroyed by Cylons while the remaining survivors joined ''Galactica'' at her new location.

[[Picon Fleet Headquarters]] was destroyed in the opening wave of the attack, as were 30 Battlestars, noted to be "a quarter of the Fleet" according to [[Kara Thrace]]'s comment to Commander Adama in the opening events of the attack. Admiral Nagala subsequently took command of the fleet aboard Battlestar ''[[Atlantia]]''. Soon after, ''Atlantia'' was lost with all hands. [[Commander Adama]] aboard ''Galactica'' assumed command of whatever was left of the Colonial military fleet, and sent a [[wireless]] transmission to any surviving Colonial forces to rendez-vous at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] where desperately needed munitions were stored for the Battlestar's guns and her fighters.

A [[Pegasus|second Battlestar]] was unable to make the rendez-vous point or locate ''Galactica'' for many weeks after the attack, having escaped certain destruction by the Cylons at the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] by a making a [[Blind jump|blind jump]] into space. ''Galactica'' had no knowledge of this other Battlestar as the Colonies disintegrated and communications between other Colonial forces faded into static.

Cylon Attack

2005-10-05T05:07:34Z

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== Re-Imagined Series ==
[[Image:Battlestarhulk.jpg|thumb|A battlestar hulk floating near Caprica]]
The '''Cylon Attack''' (or technically, the "Second Cylon War") was the final attack by the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies]] of Kobol 40 years after the cessation of hostilities in the First [[Cylon War]], the opening shot being the destruction of the [[Armistice Station]] by a [[basestar]].

Carefully planned out by the Cylons, Humanity's defeat was ensured by [[Humano-Cylon]] agents, such as [[Number 6]]; Number 6 ensured that [[backdoors]] were placed in the [[Command Navigation Program]], thus eliminating the Colonials' ability to resist.

As a result of the re-emergence of network technologies (see: [[Cylon War]]), the Cylons could now repeat a tactic they had previously used.

As the Colonial Fleet, under the command of [[Nagala|Admiral Nagala]] onboard [[Battlestar]] [[Atlantia]], was ripped asunder by Cylon forces, the Cylons began deploying nuclear warfare against the Colonies, resulting in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. Out of billions of humans, only approximately 50,000 survived and escaped their Cylon enemies under the leadership of Battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Mini-Series]]) or the handful of people in the mountains that survived to form the [[resistance movement]] on Caprica. Also, there were other survivors that didn't make the rendezvous at [[Ragnar]] in time such as [[Battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus]]'', under the command of [[Nelena Cain|Admiral Nelena Cain]].

== Original Series ==

: Additional information is available on the [[Thousand Yahren War]].

The Cylon Attack was a sneak attack, similar to [[Wikipedia:Pearl Harbor (attack)|Pearl Harbor]]. After 1000 [[yahrens]] of war, the Humans vied for peace with [[Baltar (TOS)|Lord Baltar]] acting as diplomat. (see: [[Cimtar Peace Accord]]) The peace was to become official at [[Cimtar]], a moon believed to be neutral territory. Instead of peace, the Cylons launched their largest onslaught ever against the Colonials.

The Cylons began a two-pronged attack:

==== First Prong: Elimination of the Battlestars at Cimtar ====

: Additional information is available on the [[Battle of Cimtar (TOS)]].

The Cylons used [[Cimtar]] as a launch platform for fighter groups, supported by [[Cylon tankers]] for fuel operations. Using their [[Cylon Raider (TOS)|Raiders]], the Cylons attacked the [[battlestar|battlestars]] there. All battlestars, save the already-prepared [[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]], were destroyed; the Cylons were thwarted from destroying the entire human presence there. Leaving the survivors and [[Viper]] pilots of that battle, the Galactica headed towards the [[Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies]] in a vain effort to protect their homeworlds.

==== Second Prong: The Attack on the Colonies ====

[[Cylon Basestar|Cylon basestars]] snuck by Colonial defenses, allowing an undefended attack on the Colonies. The home planets were bombed and the Cylons exterminated all humans that survived, save those who were fortunate enough to escape and flee the Colonies to join the [[Fleet]] [[Adama (TOS)|Commander Adama]] assembled.

[[Category: A to Z]] [[Category: Conflicts]] [[Category: Colonial History]] [[Category: Cylons]] [[Category: RDM]] [[Category: TOS]]

Battlestar Galactica (TOS)

2005-10-04T05:56:02Z

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{{shortcut|TOS}}
[[Image:B00018LTDI.01.jpg|thumb|Complete Epic Series]]
The show that started it all...

More to be filled in later.

[http://www.retrojunk.com/details_theme/47/ Battlestar Galactica Intro]

Source: http://www.retrojunk.com

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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:TOS]]

Season 1 (2004-05)

2005-10-04T05:33:10Z

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[[Image:B000AJJNFE.01.jpg|thumb|Season 1 DVD Box]]
==Summary==

: ''After the [[Cylons]] genocidal attack on the [[12 Colonies]], a rag-tag fugitive fleet under the aegis of the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' tackles the problems inherent of their evasive flight from their murderers.''

== Pivotal Plot Points ==

: ''Please feel free to add any plot points at your discretion.''

*There are [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon infiltrators]] in the Fleet. These infiltrators may or may not know their true [[Cylon]] natures, such as [[Sharon Valerii]].
*[[Laura Roslin]] is treating her cancer using [[Chamalla]] Extract, the result of which are hallucinations that seem to fit with the writings of the oracle [[Pythia]].
*The issues surrounding the death of [[Zak Adama]] still remain a point of contention between [[Lee Adama]] and his father, [[William Adama]]. [[Kara Thrace]] reveals to them the truth, which opened some reconciliation for the Adamas.
*[[Gaius Baltar]] has been commissioned to create a [[Cylon detector]]. While early attempts at this were a ruse, he later perfects the device, only to hide its results for fear of discovery of his part in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
*The ''[[Galactica]]'' must tackle issues dealing with basic ship and human requirements, including but not limited to water ([[Water]]) and ship fuel [[tylium]] ([[The Hand of God]]).
*The [[Colonials]]' religious beliefs are polytheistic, whereas the [[Cylon]]s religious beliefs are monotheistic in nature.
*Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer) begins questioning her existence and whether or not she may be a [[Cylon]].
*[[Helo]], still surviving on Cylon-occupied [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]], is involved in a mysterious plan with other [[Humano-Cylon]]s, using a copy of Sharon Valerii.
*The Cylons appear to know the Pythian Scriptures better than the Colonials, and are manipulating or anticipating events based on the writings.

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Olmos, Edward James|Edward James Olmos]] as [[Adama, William|Commander William Adama]]
* [[McDonnell, Mary|Mary McDonnell]] as [[Roslin, Laura|President Laura Roslin]]
* [[Sackhoff, Katee|Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Thrace, Kara|Lieutenant Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Bamber, Jamie|Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Captain Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[Callis, James|Jame Callis]] as [[Baltar, Gaius|Doctor Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Helfer, Tricia|Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Park, Grace|Grace Park]] as [[Valerii, Sharon|Sharon Valerii]]
===Co-stars===
* [[Hogan, Michael|Michael Hogan]] as [[Tigh, Saul|Colonel Tigh]]
* [[Douglas, Aaron|Aaron Douglas]] as [[Tyrol, Galen|CPO Tyrol]]
* [[Penikett, Tahmoh|Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Agathon, Karl C.|Lieutenat Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[McClure, Kandyse|Kandyse McClure]] as [[Dualla|Petty Officer 2nd Class Dualla]]
* [[Campbell, Paul|Paul Campbell]] as [[Keikeya, Billy|Billy Keikeya]]
* [[Juliani, Alessandro|Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Lieutenant Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Witwer, Samuel|Samual Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Moore, Ronald D.|Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Eick, David|David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Frand, Harvey|Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Larson, Glen A.|Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors===
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Angeli Michael Angeli]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Marita+Grabiak Marita Grabiak]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Rod+Hardy Rod Hardy]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alan+Kroeker Alan Kroeker]
* [[Olmos, Edward James|Edward James Olmos]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jonas+Pate Jonas Pate]
* [[Rymer, Michael|Michael Rymer]]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Woolnough Jeff Woolnough]

===Writing Staff===
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Carla+Robinson Carla Robinson]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Bradley+Thompson Bradley Thompson]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brad+Turner Brad Turner]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Vlaming Jeff Vlaming]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+David+Weddle David Weddle]
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young]

==Episodes==
*[[Mini-Series]] (2003, [[backdoor pilot]])
===Season 1 (2004-05)===
*1.01 [[33]]
*1.02 [[Water]]
*1.03 [[Bastille Day]]
*1.04 [[Act of Contrition]]
*1.05 [[You Can't Go Home Again]]
*1.06 [[Litmus]]
*1.07 [[Six Degrees of Separation]]
*1.08 [[Flesh and Bone]]
*1.09 [[Secrets and Lies]] (aka: [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])
*1.10 [[The Hand of God]]
*1.11 [[Colonial Day]]
*1.12 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]
*1.13 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]

== Official Statements ==

* "I've noticed in the new scripts that [[Moore, Ronald D.|Ron Moore]] will write to the rythms of the actors now. Which isn't always a good thing, you know, actors can get into certain tricks and bad habits, but you know everyone has their own personality, their own way of speaking." -- [[Michael Rymer]], [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_02_320.mov]

* "And the writers have started to write characters in our speech patterns, like the way that we talk, which is really interesting. So they're picking up on us and adding that into the character. It's nice. It makes it easier to memorize lines, because it's the way that you talk." -- [[Katee Sackhoff]], [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_02_320.mov]

* ''"I love the [[Cottle|smoking doctor]]! Does he have a name? Isn't sickbay a little small considering the size of ''[[Galactica]]''?"''

: I love the doctor too. The character's name is [[Cottle|Major Cottle]] and I think we're only seeing one part of one [[Sickbay]] on the ship. It's worth keeping in mind that while ''[[Galactica]]'' is an enormous ship and was built to be manned by a very large crew, that she had only a skeleton complement on board at the time of the [[Cylon Attack|Cylon attack]]. That explains in large part why we see so few officers and why people like Kara are pressed into service in roles other than their primary one. There are probably several (unused) [[Pilot Ready Rooms]] aboard ''Galactica'' and possibly other Sickbay facilities as well. Dr. Cottle is our only physician onboard, but if she were fully staffed, ''Galactica'' would probably have a large medical staff and would have a sizable hospital facility.

* ''" Will we see the mess hall and other part of the ship such as the main Kitchen where all the meals are prepared."''

:I'd like to. It's a question of budget; there has to be a story point or scene so cool that we just have to build this set. The Head (bathroom to you lubbers) was built in the [[33|pilot]] specifically so we'd have it around during the series. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''"Its highly unlikley that episodes 1 thru 13 were filmed in chronological order. Can you tell us in which order they were filmed in. This might give the veiwers a little more insight as to how the cast bonded over the shooting schedule as well as explain how some preformances might be rigid in certain episodes and become more flushed out in others."''

:Actually, the episodes were all filmed chronologically. You're probably confusing the production order with how individual episodes are filmed, which is not chronological. Scenes within an episode are often filmed out of sequence for efficiency, i.e. shooting all the [[CIC]] scenes, then all the [[Hangar Deck]] scenes, then all the ''[[Colonial One]]'' scenes, etc. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

* ''(regarding [[Agathon, Karl C.|Karl C. Agathon]]'s plight on [[Cylon]]-occupied [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]) "My boss at my place of employment has a father named John C. Agathon who was the radar navigator of a B-24 Liberator bomber that was shot down in WWII. He spent some time running from the nazi's and hiding in farm houses until he finally managed to make his way to friendly territory. Oh and I double-checked with my boss and his father DID sustain a leg injury related to the crash.

:It could just be a coincidence, but it's one hell of a coincidence. "''

:It is one hell of a coincidence. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

==Related Topics==
* [[List of Season 1 Guest Actors (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]

{{Episode List}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Miniseries, Night 1

2005-10-04T05:31:07Z

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[[Image:B00064AFBE.01.jpg|thumb|Mini-series DVD box]]
== Overview ==

: ''After 40 years of peace with the Humanity's bastard children, the [[Cylons]], Humanity finds itself victim of a genocidal attack and the survivors are forced to flee from their [[Twelve Colonies]] in the Cyrannus system.''

== Backplot ==



* The [[Cylons]] were created by the [[Colonials]] as a labor and military force. 40 years prior, the Cylons turned on their Human creators and the [[Cylon War]] ensued. The Cylons were exiled from the Colonies and were never seen again in any known form.
* The [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' is one of the last relics from the Cylon War and is being decommissioned. Instead of being scrapped, the ship was slated to be turned into a museum.
* The Colonies, once technophobic due to the Cylon War, were recovering from their phobia and had integrated technology back into their normal lives and, as a result, military vessels.
* The Cylons are capable of infiltrating any networked computer system by use of viruses and "backdoor" programming.
* The Colonials descended from a mother world, known as [[Kobol]]. Many Colonials believe this to be a myth.
* There is a legend in the [[Sacred Scrolls]] about a 13th Colony of Kobol, known as [[Earth]].

== Questions ==



* What happened to the Cylons over the course of their 40 year exile?
* What events transpired that made the [[Cylons]] hate their human masters? When did this occur?
* Where is the [[Cylon homeworld]]?
* Does Earth truly exist, despite Cmdr. [[Adama, William|Adama's]] disbelief? ([[Home, Part II|Probable Answer]])
* What happened to [[Helo]] on [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]? ([[33|Answer]])
* As of the mini-series, we know of 4 of 12 ''[[Humano-Cylon]]'' models: [[Valerii, Sharon|Boomer]], [[Number 6]], [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]] and [[Conoy, Leoben|Leoben Conoy]]. What are the others? ([[Humano-Cylon|Latest Update]]) Are there other Cylon ships aside from the [[Raider]] and [[Basestar]]? ([[Heavy Raider|One Answer]])
* If the Cylons hate Humanity with the passion that they do, why did they mimic human form? Was it for strategic purposes or was there something greater? ([[The Farm|Likely answer]] from the Caprica copy of [[Sharon Valerii]] ("This form brings us closer to God...", "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]"). Also note the experiment with [[Helo]] while on Caprica)
*Who was the unseen individual that Number Six met with on Caprica?

== Analysis ==



=== Noted Changes from the Original ===

* The basic story is still present: robotic [[Cylons]] surprisingly attack the Colonies resulting in a holocaust, thus forcing a "rag-tag, fugitive fleet" to coalesce around the last surviving [[battlestar]], [[Galactica]], to seek a mythical [[13th Colony]] where refugees hope to find shelter from the [[Cylons]]. However, many of the fine details are changed, such as:
** The Cylons were created by Humanity, not by a reptilian race (also called Cylons) who hated Humanity.
** The ''Galactica'' is a 50 year old relic on the verge of decommission.
** The names of "Apollo", "Boomer", and "Starbuck" are changed to call signs. Most characters have standard first and last names; some first names were not given until later in the series, such as [[Felix Gaeta|Felix Gaeta's]] or [[Anastasia Dualla|Anastasia Dualla's]].
** The futuristic (and often confusing) terminology used to denote distances, measuring, and time in the original series have been replaced with understandable terminology. "Year" was known as a "yahren" in the original.
** The ship designs, save for some revisions to the [[Viper|Mk. II Viper]] and the ''[[Galactica]]'' and a few noteworthy background ships (such as the [[Gemenon Traveller]] and the [[Botanical Cruiser]], have been redone.
** The [[Quorum of Twelve]] is not mentioned in the mini-series, and has apparently been replaced or supplemented by a setup similar to the United States [[WikiPedia:executive branch|executive branch]]. There is a president, vice president, and secretaries (the [[Quorum of Twelve|Quorum]] does not make an appearance until episode 1.11 ([[Colonial Day]]).
** Instead of the out-worldly, Egyptian-esque clothing and city designs (i.e. pyramids) seen in the original, the clothing and cities are more contemporary in design and function.
* The relationships and characters from the original have been changed as well.
** [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]], who was played as a male character by [[Herb Jefferson Jr.]] in the original, is now the call-sign of a female Lieutenant [[Valerii, Sharon|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Park, Grace|Grace Park]]).
** [[Starbuck]], who was played as a male character by [[Dirk Benedict]] in the original, is now the call-sign of a female Lieutenant [[Thrace, Kara|Kara Thrace]] ([[Katee Sackhoff]])
** "Adama" is now a surname.
** The character of [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], potrayed by [[Lorne Greene]] in the original, now is known as [[Adama, William|William "Husker" Adama]] ([[Edward James Olmos]]). He is a man about to retire, is estranged from his son [[Lee Adama|Lee]]. Adama's beliefs are far more secular than his TOS counterpart.
** [[Apollo]], portrayed by [[Original Series]] continuation activist [[Richard Hatch]], is the call sign of [[Lee Adama]] ([[Jamie Bamber]]). He is a flawed character who is estranged from his father, believing him to be ultimately responsible for the death of [[Zak Adama]], and is questioning his life's choices.
** [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]], who was willingly complicit in the destruction of the Colonies due to his thirst for power, is now a scientific genius named [[Gaius Baltar]]. Unlike the imposing, methodical and mischievious Baltar (portrayed by the late [[John Colicos]]), Gaius ([[James Callis]]) is a cowardly, narssissic, egotistical man whose womanizing is his Achille's heel. His betrayal of the human race was due mostly to his lust for [[Number 6]], whom he allowed unfettered access to the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].
** The character of Colonel [[Tigh (TOS)|Tigh]], portrayed by [[Terry Carter]], is now separated from his wife and seeing out the rest of his career from inside a bottle in the form of Colonel [[Tigh, Saul|Saul Tigh]] ([[Michael Hogan]]) who hasn't seen military action in a long while.
* The show has taken a more realistic turn. [[Naturalistic science fiction|Realistic science]], which was painfully absent in the original series, is applied in this series.
* Certain models of Cylons appear human, right down to the blood -- it takes complex tests just to screen for these [[Humano-Cylon|Humanoid Cylons]]. This generates some very disturbing questions. For one, the Cylons have now managed to merge in with human society, making it easier to manipulate from within. This mirrors terrorist methods of infiltration and delivering destructive results to heavy population centers (a la suicide bombers). It also brings up interesting questions regarding cross-species mating: Can Humanoid Cylons mate with their Human creators? ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Answer 1]] and [[The Farm|Answer 2]])

=== Plot and Character Analyses ===

Since plot and character are so intertwined, both will be covered here.

==== Armistice Station ====

The [[Armistice Station]] gave us a chance to understand the conflict between the Cylons and Humanity. It also introduced us to the new Cylons and broke away from conventions set in Science Fiction. Instead of storming the station, the Cylons used [[Number 6]] and sexually assaulted the [[Armistice Officer]]. Question is, why was the Armistice Officer assaulted sexually instead of physically? The answer is three fold:

# This defied those who would make the claim that ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' is a "rip-off" of ''Star Wars''; the same claim that was made against the original.
# This showed that the Cylons understood the devastating effect of sexual molestation. Since when did a Human expect for a Cylon to attack Humanity in this way?
# There is a drive within the Cylons to understand - and possibly ''experience'' the sensations of being ''truly'' alive.

The station was destroyed by a [[Cylon Basestar]]. Though this was a dramatic blow, this does seem rather unnecessary from a logical point of view. The Cylons present were more than enough to subdue the Armistice Officer and be able to keep the station for future purposes.

==== Commander William Adama & Nostalgia ====

With the ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'''s future being a museum piece with gift shops, Commander William Adama is ready to retire, albeit reluctantly. Adama heads to retirement with trepidation, unsure of what he would do with the remainder of his life. His crew will ultimately be disbanded and good-byes abound. There is a sense of a ship seeing its last days, despite some of the joy that some of the crew members have in continuing their military careers.

Adama is presented with his reconditioned Viper, which was rusting in a junkyard on [[The Twelve Colonies#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]], as well as a picture of himself and his two sons when he was younger.

This is a touching moment, demonstrating the crew's affection for him as a person. It also establishes Adama's legitimacy as a war-hardened commander in the series quite nicely.

==== Starbuck & Tigh's Card Fight ====

The "card fight" between a Lieutenant and Colonel sparked a bit of controversy in the fan community before it aired. In the original draft, [[Thrace, Kara|Starbuck]] got off free without being thrown in the brig. However, given the fan's astute observation of a disturbing lack of disciplinary action against Starbuck for striking a superior, the aftermath was changed.

The scene demonstrates Starbuck's mistrust of authority and the antagonistic relationship between [[Tigh, Saul|Tigh]] and herself. The touch of classic Starbuck elements, i.e. the gambling and [[fumarello]] smoking, is a nice homage to the original that fits in nicely. [[Katee Sackhoff]]'s portrayal tells viewers that this isn't the same Starbuck from the original, as she is clearly unbalanced.

Tigh himself comes off as a grouchy, inebriated old man who has seen his glory days, which hammers home the fact that the good ship ''Galactica'' is seeing its last days. When he puts Starbuck in the brig, she knows she's stepped over the line -- but so has he, given that he flipped over the table first.

It also nicely puts Starbuck in a confined place from a story standpoint, allowing other characters to be introduced.

==== Laura Roslin's Cancer Storyline ====

The cancer story line for the Secretary of Education [[Laura Roslin]] at first seemed a bit over-the-top, detracting from the main story. (Later season 1 and early season 2 episodes regarding the [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|search for Earth's location]] and Roslin's role better define why her illness is significant.) Having the cancer story-line helps show that smaller tragedies don't cease simply because another one looms ahead. It also reveals Roslin's vulnerability and puts her character in a realistic ethical conundrum, where she is more concerned about her own well-being when billions of people have been victims of the Cylon genocide.

==== The Infanticide Debate ====

One of the more emotional and argued points in the whole mini-series is not the sex changes of two main characters, and certainly not the major change in the Cylons, but the incident where [[Number 6]] kills an infant in the market place. The question during the debate focused on the immorality of the act and was purported by those against the re-imagining as being an indicator that the source material wasn't being taken seriously.

The intent of the act was never questioned. It is simply assumed that Number 6 killed the baby out of cold blood. The doubt of Number 6's intent, or possible lack thereof, still surrounds this scene. It was obvious that Number 6 was puzzled by the fraility of the baby and questioned as to how the neck could support the weight of the baby's head. Many items can be deduced from that scene, a few follow:

# It was a deliberate act. Cold and ruthless. Nothing more.
# Number 6 has feelings and is rational. Due to her knowledge of the impending attack and the expectation that the entire human race could be eradicated, could the act be merciful?
# Could it be an act of spite? In "[[33]]", her mental image asked [[Baltar, Gaius|Gaius Baltar]] if he wanted children. Which begs the question: Can Humanoid Cylons propogate their race through Human childbirth? (Answers: [[The Hand of God]], [[The Farm]])
# Could it be a simple lack of knowledge? If so, the infanticide was accidental, and Number 6 had no way of knowing.
# She did demonstrate curiosity as to how much the neck could support. Could the death have been an unethical experiment on her part?

The most disturbing aspect of the whole debate lies in the assumption that a single act of infanticide is unacceptable, whereas the genocide of the entire human race (including born and unborn infants) by Cylon hands seems to be more palatable.

==== The "Glowing Spine" Scene ====

One of the major inconsistencies in the mini-series was gleaned from this scene. The fact is established that Humano-Cylons were, for all intents and purposes, organic. Also established was, even with the most thorough of tests, it is almost impossible to screen Human from Cylon. What caused the spine to glow? It certainly wasn't a human reaction to sex. Since the Cylons went to the very painstaking process of creating an undetectable Humanoid Cylon model, it is conceivable that glowing spinal columns -- and more to the point the chemicals that would cause the aformentioned reaction -- would arouse undue suspicion and thwart Cylon plans.

One possible explanation for the glowing spine would be that the glowing spine is the act of "6" transfering some part of herself into Baltar, as evidenced later. However, this explanation is highly speculative. Furthermore, Boomer has a glowing spine when having sex with Helo.

Considering Baltar seems to be the only person qualified to work on distinguishing Cylon from human, it may be that he is not smart enough to look in the right places (after all he has not found other Cylon hallmarks, such as a transponder -- if it exists) or, being influenced by Six, unwilling to look in the right places, knowledgeable of it (but unwilling to come forward with the information), or some combination of all three.

'''''Note:''' Comments from members of the production crew have since suggested that the only reason the glowing spine was included was that it "looked cool" at the time, and in retrospect, may have been a mistake.''

== Notes ==



* The miniseries was initially broadcast in two two-hour segments. During re-broadcast (such as with the UK's Sky One channel), the two halves were combined into a single 3-hour 56-minute "film"
* Initially, there were 12 [[battlestar]]s, one representing each Colony. ''Galactica'' represented [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]. These were built with antiquated technolgies, as were their fighter craft, to avoid the [[Cylons]]'s tactical advantage of disrupting complex electrical and computer equipment.
* Networked computers were susceptible to Cylon infiltration, forcing the Colonials to react by reducing their dependance on technology.
* The fleet has been greatly expanded since then, with as many as 120 battlestars. Practically all other battlestars were more advanced than ''Galactica.''
* As the Colonials became more confident of their security, integrated systems were re-introduced to their civilian and military craft.
* The Cylons believe monothestically, in [[God]], whereas the Colonials believe in a pantheon of gods mirroring the [[Greek Gods|twelve Olympian gods]] of Greek mythology.
* Cylons are also called "[[toaster]]s", mainly for their original appearance (a nod to the original series).
* All pilots have call signs.
* Commander [[Dash]] was the ''Galactica's'' first Commanding Officer.
* In the mini, [[Valerii, Sharon|Boomer]] is referred to as a "rook" by [[Thrace, Kara|Starbuck]], meaning a rookie. In [[Act of Contrition]], "[[nugget]]" is the chosen name for rookie pilots.
* The scene in which [[Cami]] awaits her death on the [[Botanical Cruiser]] visually echoes the infamous "[[Wikipedia:Daisy (television commercial)|Daisy]]" television advertisement from [[Wikipedia:Lyndon B. Johnson| Lyndon B. Johnson]]'s 1964 campaign against [[Wikipedia:Barry Goldwater|Barry Goldwater]].
* At the time Roslin's convoy is discovered by Cylon raiders, it consists of about 60 ships in total, but only about 40 are able to make the jump to [[Ragnar]].

===Blooper Moments===
* At the start of the episode, dialogue is retained from a draft scipt which placed the [[Twelve Colonies]] actually on [[Kobol]], rather than spread among twelve worlds. The giveaway lines are spoken by [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]] (played by [[Bennett, Matthew|Matthew Bennett]]):

: "Now, as I was saying, form follows function, and nowhere is this axiom of design more readily apparent than on the ''world'' famous Battlestar Galactica... now originally there were twelve battlestars, each representing one of ''Kobol's twelve colonies''..."

: Given the show is set among 12 different worlds, and Kobol is now regarded as the birthplace of humanity, abandoned at some point in the distant past, Doral's should have used the words "worlds' famous", and simply referred to the original battlestars representing each of the Twelve Colonies.
* At the time of her first [[FTL]] jump, ''Galactica'' retracts her flight pods. However, when the jump is made, the ship is shown with the pods still extended.

=== Nods ===

* The ''Firefly''-class ship, ''Serenity'', from the sci-fi series ''Firefly'' makes a brief appearance. It can be seen flying above [[Roslin, Laura|Laura Roslin]] when she is about to hear her prognosis of breast cancer on [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]].
* The fanfare just prior to [[Adama, William|Commander Adama's]] speech is taken from [[Stu Phillips]]'s theme for the [[TOS Battlestar Galactica|original ''Battlestar Galactica'']].
* The pilot [[Jolly]] makes a brief (verbal) appearance, just prior to the Cylon's massacre of the squad led by [[Jackson Spencer]], ''Galactica'''s previous [[CAG]]. It is not the same actor that played [[Jolly (TOS)|Jolly]] in the original.
* The original [[Cylon Basestar]] and the original [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] can be briefly seen in ''Galactica'''s museum.
* President [[Roslin]] makes a point of calling [[Lee Adama]] "Captain [[Apollo]]", saying that it has a nice ring to it.
* During the attack, ''[[Colonial One|Colonial Heavy 798]]'' assists Gemenon Liner Seventeen-oh-one (1701). This is a nod to [[Ronald D. Moore|RDM's]] work on ''Star Trek''.
* The last lottery number chosen by Sharon Valerii and Helo to rescue a Caprican refugee was "47", another in-joke to the ''Star Trek'' series.
* Prior to [[Number Six]]'s meeting with an unknown person in the park, the kids playing in the background wore masks of Cylon Centurions from the original series and were waiving mock versions of the swords those same Centurions had.

=== Notes ===

* The role of the doctor who offered Roslin the diagnosis of breast cancer was offered to [[Richard Hatch]] as a cameo; Hatch declined the role, later to take the role of [[Tom Zarek]].
* Original drafts of the mini-series referenced [[Kobol]] as the current homeworld of the humans. This was revised to the [[Twelve Colonies]] in keeping with the original concept.
* The last said line of the mini-series, "By your command," was not added until the final draft, after a friend of Ronald D. Moore commented that it wouldn't be ''Battlestar Galactica'' without it being said somewhere.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==




==== Adama's Speech at ''Galactica'''s Decommissioning Ceremony ====

"The Cylon War is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can be high, but --

"Sometimes it's too high.

"You know, when we fought the Cylons, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question, why? Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed, spite, jealousy. And we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we've done.

"Like we did with the Cylons. We decided to play God, create life. When that life turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore."

== Official Statements ==




=== Edward James Olmos' (EJO) Statements Regarding the Mini-Series ===

After the announcement of Edward James Olmos' involvement in the mini-series, portraying a role that was previously done by Canadian actor Lorne Greene, many fans contacted him. As is evidenced by the quotes before, Olmos demonstrates his honesty and reaction to the mail, most of which could be classified as fairly negative.

From his [http://hometown.aol.com/ejowebmistress/ official website]:

*"I must say one thing and will say this very clearly. If you are a person who really has a strict belief in the original, I would not advise that you watch this program...We really don't stand true to the kind of characters that were built around the original. It definitely does break the mold. Some of the characters' names are the same, but the intent and the way that we are building the reality is completely not the reality that was built in the original." -- 7/03

*"I'm going to be the first one to say it really clearly. Please tell your readers, do not watch this program...[P]eople get really, really angry. You've got to remember that this is a show that was only on . . . in the late '70s, and to this day has a very strong fan base. Tens of thousands of people who write to each other for 25 years over a program that is not on the air and is not even being rerun. 
"They didn't want this at all, and I didn't know any of this. . . . All of a sudden, my e-mails went through the roof. Suddenly I was accused of teaming up with Ron Moore and creating just a slap in the face of all these people, and I didn't want to slap anybody."

*"Trust me, don't watch it. If you are a real, real staunch 'Battlestar Galactica' person, don't watch it. . . . Just don't write to me, all right? I warned you. I was honest."

*"I've gotten some really strong, strong mail. . . . They're really bitter. They're very angry. And I know the Sci Fi Channel wants to say that everybody's going to enjoy it. They're not."

=== Comments from [[Eick, David|David Eick]] ===

"The goals of the mini series were nothing short of reinventing the science fiction genre. We wanted to present people in a catastrophic situation, in the wake of a tragedy, responding as human beings actually would through the prism of the science ficton genre."

=== Regarding Mini Series Ratings ===

"I think going into it, we all wondered. you know, what the audience numbers were going to be, especially given all the internet, sort of, controversy and the general, sort of, [something] about what we were doing and people objecting. And was it going to be a failure or was it not.

"The first night's numbers were good, but not great. We were waiting to see what the drop-off would be, because there was always a drop off on the second night. And the ratings actually went up." -- Ron D. Moore [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_06_320.mov]

=== Regarding Roslin's Refusal to Leave Her Nascent Fleet ===

{{from_RDM_blog}}

:Someone recently asked:
:"In the mini series, when the [[Cylon Raider|Cylon fighters]] are approaching ''[[Colonial One]]'' (just before [[Lee Adama|Lee]] saves the day with the EM pulse), [[Roslin, Laura|Roslin]] refuses to run and leave the other civilian ships to their doom... Yet she articulated no alternative plan. What was she hoping to do? It just seemed as though she planned to sit there and hope for the best, refusing to budge from the principle of not leaving defenseless people behind, even if that meant her own virtual suicide. It was an odd moment, she had been so decisive and clear headed up to then, and after that. (sic)

:What were her motivations, did she even have a plan? I still find this moment a little jarring and hard to explain away.I guess it does serve as a contrast to her later decision to leave [[Cami|Cammy]] (sic) etc behind. Thanks for your insights into this issue."

:[[Moore, Ronald D.|RDM]]: Can we talk? Let's be honest here. The show is not perfect. There are compromises made all the time; some for budgetary reasons, some are for political reasons, some are for no reason at all except that the writer could not, or would not, make the changes necessary to resolve a story point.

:Such is The Case of Laura Roslin and the Incoming Cylon.

:The above writer's observation is absolutely correct. Laura, by all rights and all sensible reasoning, should not obstinately stay when it's known for a fact that a Cylon missile is incoming, probably has a nuclear warhead and oh, by the way, she has no armament aboard her ship that would allow her even the remote chance of a possible last-minute, brilliant tactical move which might theoretically prevent the destruction of her ship and her presidency. Her refusal to leave, to Jump away from the impending, obvious threat can be interpreted as an irrational flaw in her character, a case of emotion trumping intellect, or it can be more correctly interpreted simply as a flaw in the script, an accepted error that the writer chooses to ignore in favor of other competing interests of character and plot which take priority in a given moment.

:In this case, I felt that the dramatic moment required that Laura make a committment to staying with her people, and to her nascent fleet, heedless of the consequence and resolute in her decision, even though it meant her certain doom. It was her instinctive response to the situation, her id's judgement, so to speak, that I was interested in, as well as the simpler plot device of having Lee swoop in and save them at the last moment just at the point you'd forgotten he was even there. Neither impulse is wrong, per se, but the error is in my choosing not to expand the moment and its aftermath in order to play out her realization of just how stupid a choice that was.

:If, at some point following the resolution of the crisis, Laura realized that she let her emotional reaction to the situation lead her into making a bad decision which was only saved by the providential intervention of Lee, then the scene would've accomplished everything I had hoped for in the moment as well as providing Laura with a character-building scene where the new president's first major decision nearly got them all killed. It would've been a way to both emphasize her fallibility and the fact that she can't afford to lead with her heart any longer. Her subsequent decision to leave the sublight ships behind, abandoning them to their destruction by the Cylons, would've also been informed by this experience and had a richer, even more textured component to it.

:In the end, it's not a fatal error in the script, and the moment passes by without comment for the most part, but it is something that nags at me whenever I see the sequence and which, frankly, bothered me at the time. So why didn't I fix it? A variety of answers present themselves, from time pressure to budgets, but the truth is, I knew that the emotional, dramatic moment would carry the audience through the scene and that people would be more invested in watching Lee take out the Cylon missile than in examining Laura's decision-making, so I opted to leave it alone rather than make the necessary page cuts and possible budget cuts needed to accommodate additional beats on this one point. It was probably the correct decision in the end, because the moment works and you move on as you're watching the show. However, being a television writer means not only having to make compromises and less than perfect decisions all the time, but as an additional penalty you get to always be reminded of the errors you've accepted when you watch the final product.

:Good catch by an attentive member of the audience.

:Damn you.

=== Additional Comments ===

* ''"Don't know if this has been addressed elsewhere already: Do [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Helo]] already know each other at the start of the show? I recently reviewed the mini and noticed that in the [[Ready Room]] scene where Apollo is introduced and told he will fly [[Adama, William|Husker]]'s [[Viper]], when first introduced, Helo waves and Lee gives him one of those "oh, hey!" looks of familiarity, then when Lee isn't thrilled about flying his dad's Viper, Helo is the only one who *doesn't* look confused, he just smiles and turns back around."''

:I don't think they knew each other prior to the pilot. Lee probably had never set foot on the ''[[Galactica]]'' before then. I think the look was something improvised on the set. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

:: '''Wikipedian's Note:''' It is likely Helo knew Apollo through [[Kara Thrace]].

* ''Regarding the ''[[Galactica]]'' being hit by a [[Cylon]] nuke:''

:''Galactica'' was designed to withstand a nuclear hit. Don’t forget that nuclear weapons in space have a different impact than they do in the atmosphere. There’s not really a shock wave in space, it’s more the immediate blast, heat and radiation effects. ''Galactica'' is shielded against radiation. However, I’ll tell you that we’re going to get into that as the series goes on. '''That nuclear hit will come back to haunt them later; there will be consequences to what happened to the ship structurally when it took that hit.''' We’re taking the approach conceptually on this show that we must live with things that have happened to us, and that there are consequences. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm] (boldface emphasis is by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]])

== Statistics ==



=== Guest Stars ===




*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Conoy, Leoben|Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]]
*[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Keikeya, Billy|Billy]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Barclay+Hope Barclay Hope] as Transport Pilot
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0301874/ Lorena Gale] as [[Elosha|Priestess Elosha]]
*[[McClure, Kandyse|Kandyse McClure]] as [[Dualla]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Connor+Widdows Connor Widdows] as [[Boxey]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+John+Mann John Mann] as [[Spencer, Jackson|CAG]]
*[[Juliani, Alessandro|Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Gaeta]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicki+Clyne Nicki Clyne] as Deckhand [[Cally]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Eklund Michael Eklund] as Deckhand [[Prosna]]
*[[Penikett, Tahmoh|Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Agathon, Karl C.|Karl C. Agathon/Helo]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Haili+Page Haili Page] as [[Cami]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alonso+Oyarzun Alonso Oyarzun] as Deckhand [[Socinus]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ty+Olsson Ty Olsson] as Captain [[Kelly]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ron+Blecker Ron Blecker] as Launch Officer
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ryan+Robbins Ryan Robbins] as [[Armistice Officer]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Tim+Henry Tim Henry] as Doctor (on Caprica)
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dwesi+Ameyaw Dwesi Ameyaw] as Liner Captain of [[Botanical Ship]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brenda+McDonald Brenda McDonald] as Old Woman (who thought she forgot her glasses)
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Suleka+Mathew Suleka Mathew] as [[Brody, Kellan|Kellan Brody]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Erin+Karpluk Erin Karpluk] as Woman #1
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jenn+Griffin Jenn Griffin] as Woman #2
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+BJ+Harrison BJ Harrison] as Woman #3
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Moneca+Delain Moneca Delain] as Blonde Woman
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Zahf+Pardo Zahf Pardo] as Man #1
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Robert+Lewis Robert Lewis] as Man #2
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Denzal+Sinclaire Denzal Sinclaire] as Man #3
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nadine+Wright Nadine Wright] as [[Chantara]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Soltis Michael Soltis] as Chantara's Husband
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Fred+Keating Fred Keating] as Junior Reporter
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Lymari+Nadal Lymari Nadal] as [[Giana]]
*[[Gugushe, Biski|Biski Gugushe]] as Pilot #1
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nahanni+Arntzen Nahanni Arntzen] as Pilot #2
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nogel+Vonas Nogel Vonas] as Pilot #3
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ryan+Nelson Ryan Nelson] as Pilot #4




=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by [[Moore, Ronald D.|Ronald D. Moore]] and [[Glen A. Larson|Christopher Eric James]]
*Based off a story by [[Larson, Glen A.|Glen A. Larson]]
*Directed by [[Rymer, Michael|Michael Rymer]]




=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate: 17 February 2004
*US Airdate: 8 December 2003, 9 December 2003 (2-night engagement, Sci-Fi Channel)
*Canadian Airdate: 17 January 2004
*DVD Release: 28 December 2004

== External Links ==
[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/mini/ Mini-Series] at scifi.com
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Battlestar Wiki talk:Community Portal

2005-10-02T23:28:25Z

Blacklight: good idea

==Purpose?==
What's the goal of the Community Portal page, eventually? What kind of things should go here? If I had any idea of how to help, I'd feel better about changing it to, well, something at all. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:49, 30 August 2005 (EDT)

: My thought was to have a list of links and references to other BSG resources and bulletin boards. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:48, 30 August 2005 (EDT)

::Ah. So not so much a portal to the community of ''this'' site, but a portal to the greater BSG community on the web. I see. --[[User:Day|Day]] 11:47, 30 August 2005 (EDT)

::: Or it can function as both our internal community as well as the "greater" community. :-) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:58, 30 August 2005 (EDT)

== Village Pump? ==
I didn't know where else to post this, so i'll do it here.

Can we get a page like the wikipedia village pump? The village pump is simply an area where wikipedians (sorry, wiki-editors) can come to talk to each other about the wiki. It's where ideas can be presented and discussed, and questions can be asked. It's sort of a gathering point, from which groups can break off into dedicated projects, and etc.

I would like that just because i have a few questions and suggestions that i'd like to include interested people in, but i don't know where to talk about it. I checked the community portal, but it hasn't been made. I'd volunteer to create an initial page if i had a 'village pump' to link to. :P

As a final note, it can be called anything. "Village pump" en.wikipedia, "Beer parlour" en.wiktionary, "Le Bistro" fr.wikipedia. Probably for this site some clever name of a place that people meet on galactica... "flight deck" or... well i dunno, someone suggest a good idea!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump

[[User:Fudoreaper|Fudoreaper]] 07:10, 2 October 2005 (EDT)

: I vote for the Combat Information Center or something like that. Or Cloud 9. Something like that. I assume it'd use the Battlestar Wiki namespace or something, so as not to conflict with actual pages. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:28, 2 October 2005 (EDT)
::I vote Cloud 9. CIC sounds too official and serious. -- [[User:Danaucpe|Danaucpe]] 17:37, October 2, 2005 (EDT)

::: I'm not a Wikipedia editor, so I don't know what the Villiage Punp is normally used for, but I suggested the CIC because it's kind of the nerve center of ''Galactica''. If it's the kind of place that would spin off [[:Category:Project Page|Project Pages]], then maybe it should be a bit serious. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, though. If its more casual and less planning, then I think ''Cloud 9'' would be a great name. Just... thought I'd be more clear. --[[User:Day|Day]] 19:18, 2 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: I don't really care what it is called but it sounds like a good ideaa --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Apollo (TOS)

2005-10-02T01:24:51Z

Blacklight: /* Overview */

== Overview ==
[[Image:Apolloblue.jpg|thumb|Captain Apollo]]
Name: Apollo

Rank: Captain

Status: Widowed; formerly [[sealed]] to [[Serena (TOS)|Serena]]

Children: 1; [[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]] (adopted)

Siblings: 2; [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]] and [[Zak (TOS)|Zak]] ([[KIA]])

Age: 20s-30s

Portrayed By: [[Hatch, Richard|Richard Hatch]] ([http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0368745/ IMDB entry])

Captain Apollo was the ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica's]]'' lead [[Viper]] pilot, leading [[Blue Squadron]] in the defense of the rag-tag, fugitive Fleet.

== Biography ==

Apollo was the son of Adama, commander of the last surviving battlestar, ''Galactica'', after the destruction of the Twelve Colonies by the tyrannical Cylon Empire.

== Original Series Character History ==

While leading a group of [[Cylon]]s away from the Fleet, Apollo's viper ran out of fuel, causing him to crash-land on [[Equellas]], a low-tech planet far removed from the Fleet's flight path. Marooned within an agrarian community, he befriended [[Vella]] and her son [[Puppis]], joining with them in the fight against strong-arm man [[Lacerta]]. Apollo destroyed Lacerta's right-hand "man", [[Red-Eye]], a marooned [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] with memory problems, thus ending Lacerta's reign of terror. Although he was beginning to fall in love with Vella, Apollo nevertheless returned to the Fleet when Vella showed him another crashed viper, which had the fuel Apollo needed. (''[[The Lost Warrior (TOS)|The Lost Warrior]]'')

Apollo, accompanied by [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]], piloted the shuttle which rescued [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]], who had become stranded on the planet [[Attilla]]. Apollo wisely suggested the use of a shuttlecraft, rather than a viper squadron, so as not to attract Cylon attention. (''[[The Young Lords (TOS)|The Young Lords]]'')

When the ''Galactica'' was severely damaged by suicidal [[Cylon Raider]]s, Apollo hatched the idea of modifying vipers to shoot fire-extinguishing [[boroton]] into the burning [[landing bay]]. When that failed to completely put out the flames, Apollo and Starbuck undertook a risky spacewalk to plant explosives on parts of the ''Galactica's'' hull, which successfully vented the fire out into space. While on the spacewalk, Apollo had the idea of placing [[mushies]] next to the ventilation duct on the [[bridge]], in order to lure [[Muffit]] through the convoluted maze of ducts; the idea worked, saving the lives of Boomer, Athena, Boxey, and numerous other crewmembers stranded in the [[rejuvenation center]]. (''[[Fire in Space (TOS)|Fire in Space]]'')

== Notes ==

Handpicked and sought after by [[Larson, Glen A.|Glen A. Larson]], Richard Hatch did not originally accept the Apollo role, finding the character to be too one-dimensional in the original drafts of ''[[Saga of a Star World (TOS)|Saga of a Star World]]''. However, changes to the script were made and he accepted the role of Apollo, which has fueled his life and dreams ever since.

In early script drafts, the Apollo character was named "Skyler"; many believe the name was changed to "Apollo" to avoid similarities with "Skywalker".

== See Also ==

* [[Zarek, Tom|Tom Zarek]]

* [[Lee Adama]]

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Apollo (TOS)

2005-10-02T01:21:50Z

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== Overview ==
[[Image:Superhero apollo.jpg|thumb|Captain Apollo]]
Name: Apollo

Rank: Captain

Status: Widowed; formerly [[sealed]] to [[Serena (TOS)|Serena]]

Children: 1; [[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]] (adopted)

Siblings: 2; [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]] and [[Zak (TOS)|Zak]] ([[KIA]])

Age: 20s-30s

Portrayed By: [[Hatch, Richard|Richard Hatch]] ([http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0368745/ IMDB entry])

Captain Apollo was the ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica's]]'' lead [[Viper]] pilot, leading [[Blue Squadron]] in the defense of the rag-tag, fugitive Fleet.

== Biography ==

Apollo was the son of Adama, commander of the last surviving battlestar, ''Galactica'', after the destruction of the Twelve Colonies by the tyrannical Cylon Empire.

== Original Series Character History ==

While leading a group of [[Cylon]]s away from the Fleet, Apollo's viper ran out of fuel, causing him to crash-land on [[Equellas]], a low-tech planet far removed from the Fleet's flight path. Marooned within an agrarian community, he befriended [[Vella]] and her son [[Puppis]], joining with them in the fight against strong-arm man [[Lacerta]]. Apollo destroyed Lacerta's right-hand "man", [[Red-Eye]], a marooned [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] with memory problems, thus ending Lacerta's reign of terror. Although he was beginning to fall in love with Vella, Apollo nevertheless returned to the Fleet when Vella showed him another crashed viper, which had the fuel Apollo needed. (''[[The Lost Warrior (TOS)|The Lost Warrior]]'')

Apollo, accompanied by [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]], piloted the shuttle which rescued [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]], who had become stranded on the planet [[Attilla]]. Apollo wisely suggested the use of a shuttlecraft, rather than a viper squadron, so as not to attract Cylon attention. (''[[The Young Lords (TOS)|The Young Lords]]'')

When the ''Galactica'' was severely damaged by suicidal [[Cylon Raider]]s, Apollo hatched the idea of modifying vipers to shoot fire-extinguishing [[boroton]] into the burning [[landing bay]]. When that failed to completely put out the flames, Apollo and Starbuck undertook a risky spacewalk to plant explosives on parts of the ''Galactica's'' hull, which successfully vented the fire out into space. While on the spacewalk, Apollo had the idea of placing [[mushies]] next to the ventilation duct on the [[bridge]], in order to lure [[Muffit]] through the convoluted maze of ducts; the idea worked, saving the lives of Boomer, Athena, Boxey, and numerous other crewmembers stranded in the [[rejuvenation center]]. (''[[Fire in Space (TOS)|Fire in Space]]'')

== Notes ==

Handpicked and sought after by [[Larson, Glen A.|Glen A. Larson]], Richard Hatch did not originally accept the Apollo role, finding the character to be too one-dimensional in the original drafts of ''[[Saga of a Star World (TOS)|Saga of a Star World]]''. However, changes to the script were made and he accepted the role of Apollo, which has fueled his life and dreams ever since.

In early script drafts, the Apollo character was named "Skyler"; many believe the name was changed to "Apollo" to avoid similarities with "Skywalker".

== See Also ==

* [[Zarek, Tom|Tom Zarek]]

* [[Lee Adama]]

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Cole Taylor

2005-10-02T01:15:48Z

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==Overview==
[[Image:Bscap168.jpg|thumb|Captain Cole "Stinger" Taylor]]
Captain '''Cole "Stinger" Taylor''' is the [[CAG]] of the [[Battlestar]] [[Pegasus]]. ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")

Like many officers from this ship, Taylor is a humorless officer that seems to regard ''[[Galactica]]'s'' officers as if tainted in some way. He may feel that Commander [[William Adama|Adama's]] son, [[Lee Adama|Lee]], has been given his CAG responsibilities through his father's influence.

When Lee was transferred to ''Pegasus'' on Admiral [[Nelena Cain]]'s orders, Taylor busted Lee Adama's role to a mere [[Raptor]] pilot to accompany him on a recon mission to the [[Cylon Unknown]].

Talk:Number Six/Archive 1

2005-10-02T01:07:54Z

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==Another Number Six==

Wasn't there another Number Six encountered and killed by Starbuck in [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]? --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Talk:Number Six/Archive 1

2005-10-02T01:04:59Z

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==Another Number Six==

Wasn't there another Number Six encountered and killed by Starbuck in Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2? --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Number Six

2005-10-02T00:52:06Z

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"'''Number Six'''" is a stunning blonde who plays several key roles in the [[Cylon]] military. She is the first [[Humano-Cylon]] that viewers witness in the reimagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' saga, and is apparently the sixth of twelve models of Humano-Cylon.

== Armistice Station Copy ==
She is a portent of doom for the peoples of the [[Twelve Colonies]]; she arrives on [[Armistice Station]] shortly before it is destroyed in what are the opening shots of the [[Cylon attack]] in the [[Mini-Series]].

== Seducer and Infiltrator ==

Prior to the attack, a copy of Six played an important role in preparing the way for a Cylon victory. Seducing the ambitious, self-obssessed, arrogant Gaius Baltar, she fooled him into believing she was a corporate spy, seeking to gain advantage over her competitors in order to gain an lucrative defence contract ([[Mini-Series]]). Over the course of two years, she used Baltar to gain access to his work -- even to the extent of re-writing many of his own algorithms -- in order to subvert his own [[Command Navigation Program]] so that it could be used in the forthcoming Cylon attack to cripple Colonial forces.

In addition to this work, she performed a second role -- one which is potentially as important to the Cylons, but one in which she may not be fully capable of performing: trying to make Gaius Baltar fall in love with her and, possibly, have a child by her. This is a role that she admits to him is not an official part of her assignment, but it is in keeping with the apparent aims and goals of the Cylons -- for whom "love", expressed through the concept of their [[God]], is a motivating factor behind some of their later actions.

The fact that she is unable to become pregnant in her time with Baltar -- given that his is the type of man vain enough to forego any male form of contraception and expect the female to take the required precautions -- is suggestive that the humano-Cylons are physically, as well as mentally, configured for specific roles. Six is designed as a seducer -- a trend that repeatedly surfaces throughout her various incarnations -- not a child-bearer. However, she may be capable of childbearing but has chosen not to until the time was right.

With the opening of the Cylon attack, Baltar's Six is apparently destroyed protecting him from the effects of a nuclear blast shockwave on [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]].

== Baltar's Internal Six ==
[[image:Tigh_Me_Up_Tigh_Me_Down-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|[[Number Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] in his lab aborad ''[[Galactica]]''. (C. Universal Studios)]]
Fleeing the city and then the planet itself, Baltar is shocked to discover that Six lives on - inside his head.

At first he tries to dismiss her presence as a manifestation of his own guilt over what has happened to his people, and his role in it. However, Six suggests that she is in fact the result of a chip inside his head. However, while some of her "actions" - such as terrifying Baltar into determining how he can construct a genuine [[Cylon detector]] ([[Bastille Day]]) - very much suggest she is a part of his own psyche. But this is countered by her underlying actions and "deeds" - all of which represent a furtherance of those aims and goals she expressed as a corporeal entity, giving added weight to the idea that she is most likely a personality download contained within a chip in Baltar's head. Some of these are characteristics never witnessed by Baltar himself - such as her jealous reaction to [[Valerii]]'s visit with Baltar in his lab ([[Flesh and Bone]]), which closely mirrors the jealousy she shows towards Valerii on Caprica ([[Litmus]], [[Secrets and Lies]]).

Certainly, this seems to be the view Baltar himself comes to hold, as he relies more and more on her for guidance and insight into Cylons ways - so much so that she deliberately suggests that her presence within him is something for which other Cylons have no knowledge. However, in her relentless drive to get Baltar to fully accept the Cylon concept of God, it would appear that not only are other Cylons in the fleet aware of her "existence", they are in communication with her: hence the arrival of "Shelly Godfrey" onboard the ''[[Galactica]]'' with her accusations of treachery at the precise time Six ceases to communicate with Baltar.

When Baltar began to deny Six's actual existence, she turned the tables by changing her appearance and told him that he was, indeed, "crazy" ([[Home, Part II]]). Baltar asked Dr. [[Cottle]] to perform a brain scan to check for anything unusual. "Nothing, nothing, more nothing" was the gruff diagnosis from Cottle. However, later in the same episode Baltar realized that the Six he sees could could not possibly be a hallucination caused by him going "crazy", because she knows things (such as that Caprica-[[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] was pregnant) that his subconscious mind has no way of knowing. When confronted with this, Six agreed that she was not a product of Baltar's mind, even though scans show no chip in his brain. When Baltar asked her what exactly she was then, Six only replied that "I'm an angel of God sent here to protect you". However, Baltar may not have a conventionally visible chip in his head, but it could be organically-based (like the humanoid Cylons) and indistinguishable from other tissues in his brain or central nervous system. There is a remote chance that Baltar could be a Humano-Cylon himself (see the [[Gaius Baltar]] article for arguments for and against this notion).

== Shelly Godfrey ==
[[Image:bsg-1-07.jpg|thumb|[[William Adama|Commander Adama]] and an apparently distraught Ms. Godfrey.]]
"Shelly Godfrey" is the pseudonym adopted by an incarnation of [[Number Six]] that arrives on board the ''[[Galactica]]'' with a mission to apparently expose [[Gaius Baltar]] as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Her real aim, however, is to further push Baltar to a point where his only hope of salvation appears to be his complete acceptance of the Cylon concept of "[[God]]". Indeed, once he has reached this point, she rapidly goes into hiding (possibly unwittingly helped by [[Sharon Valerii]] on the ''Galactica''?) and later probably removes herself from the ship - or destroys herself.

During her time on the ''Galactica'', "Godfrey" very much reveals her underlying nature is very similar to that of her "sisters" as she attempts to seduce [[Adama, William|William Adama]].

Her appearance on the ''Galactica'' gives the clearest indication of all that Baltar's Six is an independent intelligence implanted in his head - and that, for all its statements to the contrary - it is somehow in contact with other humano-Cylons within the fleet (or at least in communication with any of its "sisters" which may be in the fleet). The appearance of "Shelly Godfrey" and the "disappearance" of Six from Baltar's mind is otherwise too coincidental to be believable.

=== Notes ===
*The last name '''Godfrey''' means God's Peace in the Germanic language.

== Gina ==
[[Image:Bscap383.jpg|thumb|Gina, found on the ''Pegasus'']]
'''Gina''' is a [[Humano-Cylon]] who was "rescued" by the ''[[Pegasus]]'', claiming to be a survivng civilian dock worker. After befriending the crew, she betrayed them to the [[Cylons]], whom summarily boarded the ''Pegasus'' and terminated 800 of her crew.

Gina was captured and tortured by the ''Pegasus'' crew, as well as raped on a routine basis. When the ''Pegasus'' encountered the ''Galactica'' fleet, she was turned over to [[Gaius Baltar]] who examined her, concluding that Cylons are susceptible to the same psychological afflictions as human beings ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

A variant of [[Number Six]], Gina is physically identical to her "sister" with the exception of having shorter, darker hair. Gina also has lost her Cylon faith, perhaps as a result of the Cylon attack on the ''Pegasus'' or her subsequent abuse at the hands of its crew.

{{spoiltext|Gina apparently finds a way to kill Admiral Cain. ([[Resurrection Ship]])}}

===Notes===
Gina is a reference to some fans' derisive nickname for the Re-Imagined series, GINO - "Galactica In Name Only" (Itself a reference to [[Wikipedia:RINO|RINO]], a political term) (Source: "Pegasus" podcast)

== Caprican Overseer Copies ==

On Caprica, Six performs the role of a Cylon overseer, working with [[Aaron Doral]] to ensure their experiment involving the stranded [[Karl C. Agathon]] and Valerii either reaches its desired conclusion, or is suitably terminated ([[Litmus]], [[Secrets and Lies]]).

In this, she shares the same seductive characteristic as shown by her "sisters" at Armistice station and with Baltar - her first act on "freeing" the captured Agathon is to kiss him. Following the destruction of this particular Six (shot by Valerii, in order to enable her to "rescue" Agathon), her "sister" on Caprica demonstrates a certain vindictiveness towards Valerii when giving her a beating that goes far beyond the needs of the experiment ([[Litmus]]), thus revealing she may well be experiencing resentment for being shot (remembering that experiences and knowledge are passed from body to body among the various types of humano-Cylon), as well as jealousy at Valerii's chosen role in proceedings.

A further "overseer" Six is present at the Cylon's established base at [[Delphi]], and is briefly seen by [[Agathon, Karl C.|Helo]] when he attempts to gain access to the base in order to steal a ship and get off the planet ([[Colonial Day]]).

Another "overseer" Six was present at the "farm" where Starbuck was taken after she was incapacitated by the Cylons. While the Cylon doctor [[Simon]] operated on her, Six was there to relay orders and see that everything was proceeding smoothly. She was definitely the controlling figure of the operation ([[The Farm]]).

== Caprican Warrior Leaders ==
At least 3 additional variants of Six have been operational on Caprica, and appear to lead troops of Cylon [[Warriors]] and have a subservient role to the "overseer" Six variants. This variant of Six is distinguished by the white raincoat it wears.

One of these variants distracted Helo, enabling him to be captured ([[33]]), and was subsequently shot by [[Valerii, Sharon|Valerii]].

The second acted as an observer to Helo's "escape", and this same variant may have been leading the Warrior troop into the Caprican farm Helo was hiding in ([[The Hand of God]]).

The third was present at [[Delphi]], taking orders from an "overseer" Six.

==Notes==
*It has been claimed that the name "Number Six" may be an indirect tribute to [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001526/ Patrick McGoohan's] cult 1967 television series [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/ The Prisoner] - a series that addressed topics such as personal freedom and identity, mind control, illusionary experiences and the infiltration of society's supposed guardians (secret agents) by a nefarious force (those behind The Village).

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Talk:Pegasus (TRS)/Archive 1

2005-10-02T00:49:04Z

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Holy frak!!! Look at the SIZE of that thing! I love the look of this advanced battlestar, and hope we get a few more good looks at her and how good a fighter it is--but not against Adama, please. Pictures, pictures, pictures needed, particularly interior shots as well. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:46, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

: I think we should reference that it bears a similar shape of the original Galactica. [[User:QX100|QX100]] 16:32, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

::Don't all Battlestars? Or do you mean more similar than the new ''Galactica'' herself? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:40, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

:::What I Meant was that the pegasus and all ships in the Mercury-class have the same bulky resemblence of the Battlestars from the original series. [[User:QX100|QX100]] 22:48, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

::::Well, if you look at the end portion in that one pic, you can see the 2 hull-mounted engines which is the original structure of the battlestar in the original series and it seems like the 4 other sublight engines are "attached" to it. [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]
== Fleet unit ==

I couldn't make it out - I believe the Pegasus was assigned to the [[62nd Battlestar Group]], but I can't be sure. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:34, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

== Pegasus Battle Group ==

It belonged to BSG 63

[[Image:Cain_Pegasus_emblem_BSG_63.jpg]]

:That's what I pointed out on the 87th BSG page before it got deleted. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:56, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::That's what it looks like to me as well. I think that we should move the BSG 75 page to just "BSG" and note it there, though, not on its own page. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:56, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

== the CNP ==

Did pegasus have it and when do you think they got rid of it?
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:02, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Ron Moore's podcast mentions that in a cut scene, Cain explains that their computer systems were offline for the refit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:50, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

: Actually, that scene was in the aired show when Adama, Roslin, and Cain sat down over drinks. Cain indicated they the ship jumped since, without the other computers, they were defenseless--the only thing online, apparently, were the navigation and/or FTL computers. Does this mean that Pegasus never had the CNP? They probably did. I bet they learned quickly and retrofit their ships immediately as they likely got the same information about the fleet's failure rates over wireless as did Galactica. It would have been impossible for Pegasus to fight Cylons otherwise. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:22, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::The CNP was quite new at the time of the mini-series. Maybe it was scheduled to be installed during the refit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:44, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::: Thats all i needed to know. so ''Mercury''-class dont have it for those that hadnt been refitted yet. that means there could be other battlestars out there..
::::This is only speculation on my part. Spencerian's explanation is also plausible. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:37, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

==Gina's Origin==

Gina's origin was never stated in the episode. I know that this was widely speculated on spoiler sites prior to the episode, but that doesn't count for much. Maybe we'll learn more about her later. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:59, 1 October 2005 (EDT)

In the Gina section of wiki states and I quote, "'''Gina is a Humano-Cylon who was "rescued" by the Pegasus, claiming to be a survivng civilian dock worker'''. After befriending the crew, she betrayed them to the Cylons, whom summarily boarded the Pegasus and terminated 800 of her crew. " That was why I put that in. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Jack Fisk

2005-10-02T00:45:16Z

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[[Image:Bscap438.jpg|thumb|Colonel Fisk]]
'''Colonel Jack Fisk''' is the executive officer of the [[battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). He entered that posiiton following Cain's execution of the previous XO, although it is unknown what rank he held prior.

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Mercury class battlestar

2005-10-01T22:17:21Z

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[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
[[Image:Bscap202.jpg|thumb|The front view]]

The '''Mercury-class''' battlestar is an advanced warship introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]. For the unnamed original class, to which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' belongs, see [[Original Battlestar (RDM)]].

===Overview===

Following the end of the [[Cylon War]], the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. New models employed technologies, such as networked computers, which had been prohibited during the war ([[Mini-Series]]). A ''Mercury''-class battlestar therefore sports several features not found aboard ''Galactica'' such as automated sliding doorways and basic computer recognition stations at vital areas. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], a ''Mercury''-class battlestar was a top-of-the-line craft.

The physical appearance of the ''Mercury''-class is different than that of the original Battlestar. The "neck" section is smaller, and the ''Mercury''-class is equipped with eight sublight engine pods, compared the older class's four. These are also more "boxy" in appearance than those of the original. The flight pods also appear to have two entrances each, one above and below the midline and does not retract inward like the ''Galactica''. Unlike ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'' appears to have a full armor "skin", but in ''Galactica's'' case this may have been deliberately removed prior to its decomissioning.

Based on figures from the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", the standard crew complement of a Mercury-class battlestar is in excess of 2,500.

=== Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars ===

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'', for which it presumed the class is named
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])

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Mercury class battlestar

2005-10-01T22:00:38Z

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[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
[[Image:Bscap202.jpg|thumb|The front view]]

The '''Mercury-class''' battlestar is an advanced warship introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]. For the unnamed original class, to which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' belongs, see [[Original Battlestar (RDM)]].

===Overview===

Following the end of the [[Cylon War]], the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. New models employed technologies, such as networked computers, which had been prohibited during the war ([[Mini-Series]]). A ''Mercury''-class battlestar therefore sports several features not found aboard ''Galactica'' such as automated sliding doorways and basic computer recognition stations at vital areas. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], a ''Mercury''-class battlestar was a top-of-the-line craft.

The physical appearance of the ''Mercury''-class is different than that of the original Battlestar. The "neck" section is smaller, and the ''Mercury''-class is equipped with eight sublight engine pods, compared the older class's four. These are also more "boxy" in appearance than those of the original. The flight pods also appear to have two entrances each, above and below the midline and do not retract inward like the ''Galactica''. Unlike ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'' appears to have a full armor "skin", but in ''Galactica's'' case this may have been deliberately removed prior to its decomissioning.

Based on figures from the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", the standard crew complement of a Mercury-class battlestar is in excess of 2,500.

=== Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars ===

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'', for which it presumed the class is named
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])

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Mercury class battlestar

2005-10-01T21:59:59Z

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[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
[[Image:Bscap202.jpg|thumb|The front view]]

The '''Mercury-class''' battlestar is an advanced warship introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]. For the unnamed original class, to which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' belongs, see [[Original Battlestar (RDM)]].

===Overview===

Following the end of the [[Cylon War]], the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. New models employed technologies, such as networked computers, which had been prohibited during the war ([[Mini-Series]]). A ''Mercury''-class battlestar therefore sports several features not found aboard ''Galactica'' such as automated sliding doorways and basic computer recognition stations at vital areas. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], a ''Mercury''-class battlestar was a top-of-the-line craft.

The physical appearance of the ''Mercury''-class is different than that of the original Battlestar. The "neck" section is smaller, and the ''Mercury''-class is equipped with eight sublight engine pods, compared the older class's four. These are also more "boxy" in appearance than those of the original. The flight pods also appear to have two entrances each, above and below the midline and do not retract. Unlike ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'' appears to have a full armor "skin", but in ''Galactica's'' case this may have been deliberately removed prior to its decomissioning.

Based on figures from the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", the standard crew complement of a Mercury-class battlestar is in excess of 2,500.

=== Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars ===

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'', for which it presumed the class is named
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])

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Pegasus (TRS)

2005-10-01T20:58:21Z

Blacklight:

:''For the second-season episode, see [[Pegasus (episode)]]. For the Original Series ''Pegasus'', see [[Pegasus (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|Battlestar Pegasus]]

''Pegasus'' is a [[Mercury-class Battlestar]] commanded by Admiral [[Nelena Cain]], that was stationed at the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] during the [[Cylon attack]]. Presumed lost with the rest of the Colonial Fleet, the ''Pegasus'' actually managed to escape the destruction of the Colonies. It survived when Cain ordered a [[blind jump]], but not before 700 of her crew died in the initial attack. While the ''Pegasus'' was advanced enough to have integrated networked systems and Baltar's virused Command Navigation Program, the ''Pegasus'' was in for maintenance at the time of the Cylon attack and, as such, its networked computer systems were offline

When the Cylons nuked the shipyard, Admiral Cain rounded up everyone she could from around the shipyard and ordered the ''Pegasus'' to make a blind FTL jump. At some point, a [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon]] infiltrator was discovered onboard - a woman named [[Number Six#Gina|Gina]] who had been "rescued" by the ''Pegasus'' during the attack. She killed seven men when apprehended, and was then incarcerated, brutally interrogated and gang-raped by many of the crew.

After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], ''Pegasus'' occupied itself with hit-and-run attacks on various Cylon assets. It participated in a bold assault on a staging area filled with fifteen squadrons of [[Raider]]s. When Cain's executive officer expressed hesitancy to launch the ships' fighters against such odds, Cain publically executed him on the bridge and promoted Colonel [[Jack Fisk]] to replace him.

Some time later, as ''Pegasus'' tracked a Cylon fleet, it discovered that it was following a certain target. When ''Pegasus'' jumped ahead to scout it, it accidentally encountered the fleet led by ''[[Galactica]]''. Cain assumed command and began transferring supplies and many personnel between the ships, including Captain [[Lee Adama]] and Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]].

Chief [[Tyrol]] mentioned during his interrogation by Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] that he served aboard a number of Battlestars in his military career, including ''Pegasus''. ("[[Resistance]]"). If Admiral Cain ever knew him during this time, she made no mention of it, and had no reservations sentencing him and [[Karl Agathon]] to death when they inadvertently killed Lieutenant [[Thorne]], Cain's chief "Cylon interrogator". [[William Adama]], commander of ''Galactica'', refused to permit the execution, precipitating an armed standoff between the two ships. ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")

==Notes==

According to David Eick's video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of Pegasus on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, until later using them for Pegasus. The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.

=== Links ===

* [[Wikipedia:Pegasus|Pegasus]] (from Wikipedia)

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Pegasus (TRS)

2005-10-01T20:57:51Z

Blacklight:

:''For the second-season episode, see [[Pegasus (episode)]]. For the Original Series ''Pegasus'', see [[Pegasus (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|Battlestar Pegasus]]

''Pegasus'' is a [[Mercury-class Battlestar]] commanded by Admiral [[Nelena Cain]], that was stationed at the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] during the [[Cylon attack]]. Presumed lost with the rest of the Colonial Fleet, the Pegasus actually managed to escape the destruction of the Colonies. It survived when Cain ordered a [[blind jump]], but not before 700 of her crew died in the initial attack. While the Pegasus was advanced enough to have integrated networked systems and Baltar's virused Command Navigation Program, the Pegasus was in for maintenance at the time of the Cylon attack and, as such, its networked computer systems were offline

When the Cylons nuked the shipyard, Admiral Cain rounded up everyone she could from around the shipyard and ordered the ''Pegasus'' to make a blind FTL jump. At some point, a [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon]] infiltrator was discovered onboard - a woman named [[Number Six#Gina|Gina]] who had been "rescued" by the ''Pegasus'' during the attack. She killed seven men when apprehended, and was then incarcerated, brutally interrogated and gang-raped by many of the crew.

After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], ''Pegasus'' occupied itself with hit-and-run attacks on various Cylon assets. It participated in a bold assault on a staging area filled with fifteen squadrons of [[Raider]]s. When Cain's executive officer expressed hesitancy to launch the ships' fighters against such odds, Cain publically executed him on the bridge and promoted Colonel [[Jack Fisk]] to replace him.

Some time later, as ''Pegasus'' tracked a Cylon fleet, it discovered that it was following a certain target. When ''Pegasus'' jumped ahead to scout it, it accidentally encountered the fleet led by ''[[Galactica]]''. Cain assumed command and began transferring supplies and many personnel between the ships, including Captain [[Lee Adama]] and Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]].

Chief [[Tyrol]] mentioned during his interrogation by Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] that he served aboard a number of Battlestars in his military career, including ''Pegasus''. ("[[Resistance]]"). If Admiral Cain ever knew him during this time, she made no mention of it, and had no reservations sentencing him and [[Karl Agathon]] to death when they inadvertently killed Lieutenant [[Thorne]], Cain's chief "Cylon interrogator". [[William Adama]], commander of ''Galactica'', refused to permit the execution, precipitating an armed standoff between the two ships. ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")

==Notes==

According to David Eick's video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of Pegasus on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, until later using them for Pegasus. The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.

=== Links ===

* [[Wikipedia:Pegasus|Pegasus]] (from Wikipedia)

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Pegasus (TRS)

2005-10-01T20:57:28Z

Blacklight:

:''For the second-season episode, see [[Pegasus (episode)]]. For the Original Series ''Pegasus'', see [[Pegasus (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|Battlestar Pegasus]]

''Pegasus'' is a [[Mercury-class Battlestar]] commanded by Admiral [[Nelena Cain]], that was stationed at the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] during the [[Cylon attack]]. Presumed lost with the rest of the Colonial Fleet, the Pegasus actually managed to escape the destruction of the Colonies. It survived when Cain ordered a [[blind jump]], but not before 700 of her crew died in the initial attack. While the Pegasus was advanced enough to have integrated networked systems and Baltar's virused Command Navigation Program, the Pegasus was in for maintenance at the time of the Cylon attack and, as such, its networked computer systems were offline

When the Cylons nuked the shipyard, Admiral Cain rounded up everyone she could from around the shipyard and ordered the Pegasus to make a blind FTL jump. At some point, a [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon]] infiltrator was discovered onboard - a woman named [[Number Six#Gina|Gina]] who had been "rescued" by the ''Pegasus'' during the attack. She killed seven men when apprehended, and was then incarcerated, brutally interrogated and gang-raped by many of the crew.

After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], ''Pegasus'' occupied itself with hit-and-run attacks on various Cylon assets. It participated in a bold assault on a staging area filled with fifteen squadrons of [[Raider]]s. When Cain's executive officer expressed hesitancy to launch the ships' fighters against such odds, Cain publically executed him on the bridge and promoted Colonel [[Jack Fisk]] to replace him.

Some time later, as ''Pegasus'' tracked a Cylon fleet, it discovered that it was following a certain target. When ''Pegasus'' jumped ahead to scout it, it accidentally encountered the fleet led by ''[[Galactica]]''. Cain assumed command and began transferring supplies and many personnel between the ships, including Captain [[Lee Adama]] and Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]].

Chief [[Tyrol]] mentioned during his interrogation by Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] that he served aboard a number of Battlestars in his military career, including ''Pegasus''. ("[[Resistance]]"). If Admiral Cain ever knew him during this time, she made no mention of it, and had no reservations sentencing him and [[Karl Agathon]] to death when they inadvertently killed Lieutenant [[Thorne]], Cain's chief "Cylon interrogator". [[William Adama]], commander of ''Galactica'', refused to permit the execution, precipitating an armed standoff between the two ships. ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")

==Notes==

According to David Eick's video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of Pegasus on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, until later using them for Pegasus. The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.

=== Links ===

* [[Wikipedia:Pegasus|Pegasus]] (from Wikipedia)

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Pegasus (TRS)

2005-10-01T20:42:32Z

Blacklight:

:''For the second-season episode, see [[Pegasus (episode)]]. For the Original Series ''Pegasus'', see [[Pegasus (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|Battlestar Pegasus]]

''Pegasus'' is a [[Mercury-class Battlestar]] commanded by Admiral [[Nelena Cain]], that was stationed at the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] during the [[Cylon attack]]. Presumed lost with the rest of the Colonial Fleet, the Pegasus actually managed to escape the destruction of the Colonies. It survived when Cain ordered a [[blind jump]], but not before 700 of her crew died in the initial attack. While the Pegasus was advanced enough to have integrated networked systems and Baltar's virused Command Navigation Program, the Pegasus was in for maintenance at the time of the Cylon attack and, as such, its networked computer systems were offline

When the Cylons nuked the shipyard, Admiral Cain rounded up everyone she could from around the shipyard and ordered the Pegasus to make a blind FTL jump. At some point, a [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon]] infiltrator was discovered onboard - a woman named [[Number Six#Gina|Gina]]. She killed seven men when apprehended, and was then incarcerated, brutally interrogated and gang-raped by many of the crew.

After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], ''Pegasus'' occupied itself with hit-and-run attacks on various Cylon assets. It participated in a bold assault on a staging area filled with fifteen squadrons of [[Raider]]s. When Cain's executive officer expressed hesitancy to launch the ships' fighters against such odds, Cain publically executed him on the bridge and promoted Colonel [[Jack Fisk]] to replace him.

Some time later, as ''Pegasus'' tracked a Cylon fleet, it discovered that it was following a certain target. When ''Pegasus'' jumped ahead to scout it, it accidentally encountered the fleet led by ''[[Galactica]]''. Cain assumed command and began transferring supplies and many personnel between the ships, including Captain [[Lee Adama]] and Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]].

Chief [[Tyrol]] mentioned during his interrogation by Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] that he served aboard a number of Battlestars in his military career, including ''Pegasus''. ("[[Resistance]]"). If Admiral Cain ever knew him during this time, she made no mention of it, and had no reservations sentencing him and [[Karl Agathon]] to death when they inadvertently killed Lieutenant [[Thorne]], Cain's chief "Cylon interrogator". [[William Adama]], commander of ''Galactica'', refused to permit the execution, precipitating an armed standoff between the two ships. ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")

==Notes==

According to David Eick's video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of Pegasus on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, until later using them for Pegasus. The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.

=== Links ===

* [[Wikipedia:Pegasus|Pegasus]] (from Wikipedia)

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Pegasus (TRS)

2005-10-01T20:42:21Z

Blacklight:

:''For the second-season episode, see [[Pegasus (episode)]]. For the Original Series ''Pegasus'', see [[Pegasus (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|Battlestar Pegasus]]

''Pegasus'' is a [[Mercury-class Battlestar]]commanded by Admiral [[Nelena Cain]], that was stationed at the [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] during the [[Cylon attack]]. Presumed lost with the rest of the Colonial Fleet, the Pegasus actually managed to escape the destruction of the Colonies. It survived when Cain ordered a [[blind jump]], but not before 700 of her crew died in the initial attack. While the Pegasus was advanced enough to have integrated networked systems and Baltar's virused Command Navigation Program, the Pegasus was in for maintenance at the time of the Cylon attack and, as such, its networked computer systems were offline

When the Cylons nuked the shipyard, Admiral Cain rounded up everyone she could from around the shipyard and ordered the Pegasus to make a blind FTL jump. At some point, a [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon]] infiltrator was discovered onboard - a woman named [[Number Six#Gina|Gina]]. She killed seven men when apprehended, and was then incarcerated, brutally interrogated and gang-raped by many of the crew.

After the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], ''Pegasus'' occupied itself with hit-and-run attacks on various Cylon assets. It participated in a bold assault on a staging area filled with fifteen squadrons of [[Raider]]s. When Cain's executive officer expressed hesitancy to launch the ships' fighters against such odds, Cain publically executed him on the bridge and promoted Colonel [[Jack Fisk]] to replace him.

Some time later, as ''Pegasus'' tracked a Cylon fleet, it discovered that it was following a certain target. When ''Pegasus'' jumped ahead to scout it, it accidentally encountered the fleet led by ''[[Galactica]]''. Cain assumed command and began transferring supplies and many personnel between the ships, including Captain [[Lee Adama]] and Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]].

Chief [[Tyrol]] mentioned during his interrogation by Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] that he served aboard a number of Battlestars in his military career, including ''Pegasus''. ("[[Resistance]]"). If Admiral Cain ever knew him during this time, she made no mention of it, and had no reservations sentencing him and [[Karl Agathon]] to death when they inadvertently killed Lieutenant [[Thorne]], Cain's chief "Cylon interrogator". [[William Adama]], commander of ''Galactica'', refused to permit the execution, precipitating an armed standoff between the two ships. ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")

==Notes==

According to David Eick's video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of Pegasus on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, until later using them for Pegasus. The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.

=== Links ===

* [[Wikipedia:Pegasus|Pegasus]] (from Wikipedia)

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Miniseries, Night 1

2005-10-01T05:18:57Z

Blacklight: /* Nods */

== Overview ==

: ''After 40 years of peace with the Humanity's bastard children, the [[Cylons]], Humanity finds itself victim of a genocidal attack and the survivors are forced to flee from their [[Twelve Colonies]] in the Cyrannus system.''

== Backplot ==



* The [[Cylons]] were created by the [[Colonials]] as a labor and military force. 40 years prior, the Cylons turned on their Human creators and the [[Cylon War]] ensued. The Cylons were exiled from the Colonies and were never seen again in any known form.
* The [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' is one of the last relics from the Cylon War and is being decommissioned. Instead of being scrapped, the ship was slated to be turned into a museum.
* The Colonies, once technophobic due to the Cylon War, were recovering from their phobia and had integrated technology back into their normal lives and, as a result, military vessels.
* The Cylons are capable of infiltrating any networked computer system by use of viruses and "backdoor" programming.
* The Colonials descended from a mother world, known as [[Kobol]]. Many Colonials believe this to be a myth.
* There is a legend in the [[Sacred Scrolls]] about a 13th Colony of Kobol, known as [[Earth]].

== Questions ==



* What happened to the Cylons over the course of their 40 year exile?
* What events transpired that made the [[Cylons]] hate their human masters? When did this occur?
* Where is the [[Cylon homeworld]]?
* Does Earth truly exist, despite Cmdr. [[Adama, William|Adama's]] disbelief? ([[Home, Part II|Probable Answer]])
* What happened to [[Helo]] on [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]? ([[33|Answer]])
* As of the mini-series, we know of 4 of 12 ''[[Humano-Cylon]]'' models: [[Valerii, Sharon|Boomer]], [[Number 6]], [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]] and [[Conoy, Leoben|Leoben Conoy]]. What are the others? ([[Humano-Cylon|Latest Update]]) Are there other Cylon ships aside from the [[Raider]] and [[Basestar]]? ([[Heavy Raider|One Answer]])
* If the Cylons hate Humanity with the passion that they do, why did they mimic human form? Was it for strategic purposes or was there something greater? ([[The Farm|Likely answer]] from the Caprica copy of [[Sharon Valerii]] ("This form brings us closer to God...", "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]"). Also note the experiment with [[Helo]] while on Caprica)
*Who was the unseen individual that Number Six met with on Caprica?

== Analysis ==



=== Noted Changes from the Original ===

* The basic story is still present: robotic [[Cylons]] surprisingly attack the Colonies resulting in a holocaust, thus forcing a "rag-tag, fugitive fleet" to coalesce around the last surviving [[battlestar]], [[Galactica]], to seek a mythical [[13th Colony]] where refugees hope to find shelter from the [[Cylons]]. However, many of the fine details are changed, such as:
** The Cylons were created by Humanity, not by a reptilian race (also called Cylons) who hated Humanity.
** The ''Galactica'' is a 50 year old relic on the verge of decommission.
** The names of "Apollo", "Boomer", and "Starbuck" are changed to call signs. Most characters have standard first and last names; some first names were not given until later in the series, such as [[Felix Gaeta|Felix Gaeta's]] or [[Anastasia Dualla|Anastasia Dualla's]].
** The futuristic (and often confusing) terminology used to denote distances, measuring, and time in the original series have been replaced with understandable terminology. "Year" was known as a "yahren" in the original.
** The ship designs, save for some revisions to the [[Viper|Mk. II Viper]] and the ''[[Galactica]]'' and a few noteworthy background ships (such as the [[Gemenon Traveller]] and the [[Botanical Cruiser]], have been redone.
** The [[Quorum of Twelve]] is not mentioned in the mini-series, and has apparently been replaced or supplemented by a setup similar to the United States [[WikiPedia:executive branch|executive branch]]. There is a president, vice president, and secretaries (the [[Quorum of Twelve|Quorum]] does not make an appearance until episode 1.11 ([[Colonial Day]]).
** Instead of the out-worldly, Egyptian-esque clothing and city designs (i.e. pyramids) seen in the original, the clothing and cities are more contemporary in design and function.
* The relationships and characters from the original have been changed as well.
** [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]], who was played as a male character by [[Herb Jefferson Jr.]] in the original, is now the call-sign of a female Lieutenant [[Valerii, Sharon|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Park, Grace|Grace Park]]).
** [[Starbuck]], who was played as a male character by [[Dirk Benedict]] in the original, is now the call-sign of a female Lieutenant [[Thrace, Kara|Kara Thrace]] ([[Katee Sackhoff]])
** "Adama" is now a surname.
** The character of [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], potrayed by [[Lorne Greene]] in the original, now is known as [[Adama, William|William "Husker" Adama]] ([[Edward James Olmos]]). He is a man about to retire, is estranged from his son [[Lee Adama|Lee]]. Adama's beliefs are far more secular than his TOS counterpart.
** [[Apollo]], portrayed by [[Original Series]] continuation activist [[Richard Hatch]], is the call sign of [[Lee Adama]] ([[Jamie Bamber]]). He is a flawed character who is estranged from his father, believing him to be ultimately responsible for the death of [[Zak Adama]], and is questioning his life's choices.
** [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]], who was willingly complicit in the destruction of the Colonies due to his thirst for power, is now a scientific genius named [[Gaius Baltar]]. Unlike the imposing, methodical and mischievious Baltar (portrayed by the late [[John Colicos]]), Gaius ([[James Callis]]) is a cowardly, narssissic, egotistical man whose womanizing is his Achille's heel. His betrayal of the human race was due mostly to his lust for [[Number 6]], whom he allowed unfettered access to the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].
** The character of Colonel [[Tigh (TOS)|Tigh]], portrayed by [[Terry Carter]], is now separated from his wife and seeing out the rest of his career from inside a bottle in the form of Colonel [[Tigh, Saul|Saul Tigh]] ([[Michael Hogan]]) who hasn't seen military action in a long while.
* The show has taken a more realistic turn. [[Naturalistic science fiction|Realistic science]], which was painfully absent in the original series, is applied in this series.
* Certain models of Cylons appear human, right down to the blood -- it takes complex tests just to screen for these [[Humano-Cylon|Humanoid Cylons]]. This generates some very disturbing questions. For one, the Cylons have now managed to merge in with human society, making it easier to manipulate from within. This mirrors terrorist methods of infiltration and delivering destructive results to heavy population centers (a la suicide bombers). It also brings up interesting questions regarding cross-species mating: Can Humanoid Cylons mate with their Human creators? ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Answer 1]] and [[The Farm|Answer 2]])

=== Plot and Character Analyses ===

Since plot and character are so intertwined, both will be covered here.

==== Armistice Station ====

The [[Armistice Station]] gave us a chance to understand the conflict between the Cylons and Humanity. It also introduced us to the new Cylons and broke away from conventions set in Science Fiction. Instead of storming the station, the Cylons used [[Number 6]] and sexually assaulted the [[Armistice Officer]]. Question is, why was the Armistice Officer assaulted sexually instead of physically? The answer is three fold:

# This defied those who would make the claim that [[Battlestar Galactica]] is a "rip-off" of Star Wars; the same claim that was made against the original.
# This showed that the Cylons understood the devastating effect of sexual molestation. Since when did a Human expect for a Cylon to attack Humanity in this way?
# There is a drive within the Cylons to understand - and possibly experience the sensations of being truly alive.

The station was destroyed by a [[Cylon Basestar]]. Though this was a dramatic blow, this does seem rather unnecessary from a logical point of view. The Cylons present were more than enough to subdue the Armistice Officer and be able to keep the station for future purposes.

==== Commander William Adama & Nostalgia ====

With the [[Galactica]]'s future being a museum piece with gift shops, Commander William Adama is ready to retire, albeit reluctantly. Adama heads to retirement with trepidation, unsure of what he would do with the remainder of his life. His crew will ultimately be disbanded and good-byes abound. There is a sense of a ship seeing its last days, despite some of the joy that some of the crew members have in continuing their military careers.

Adama is presented with his reconditioned Viper, which was rusting in a junkyard on [[The Twelve Colonies#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]], as well as a picture of himself and his two sons when he was younger.

This is a touching moment, demonstrating the crew's affection for him as a person. It also establishes Adama's legitimacy as a war-hardened commander in the series quite nicely.

==== Starbuck & Tigh's Card Fight ====

The "card fight" between a Lieutenant and Colonel sparked a bit of controversy in the fan community before it aired. In the original draft, [[Thrace, Kara|Starbuck]] got off free without being thrown in the brig. However, given the fan's astute observation of a disturbing lack of disciplinary action against Starbuck for striking a superior, the aftermath was changed.

The scene demonstrates Starbuck's mistrust of authority and the antagonistic relationship between [[Tigh, Saul|Tigh]] and herself. The touch of classic Starbuck elements, i.e. the gambling and [[fumarello]] smoking, is a nice homage to the original that fits in nicely. [[Katee Sackhoff]]'s portrayal tells viewers that this isn't the same Starbuck from the original, as she is clearly unbalanced.

Tigh himself comes off as a grouchy, inebriated old man who has seen his glory days, which hammers home the fact that the good ship Galactica is seeing its last days. When he puts Starbuck in the brig, she knows she's stepped over the line -- but so has he, given that he flipped over the table first.

It also nicely puts Starbuck in a confined place from a story standpoint, allowing other characters to be introduced.

==== Laura Roslin's Cancer Storyline ====

The cancer story line for the Secretary of Education [[Laura Roslin]] at first seemed a bit over-the-top, detracting from the main story. (Later season 1 and early season 2 episodes regarding the [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|search for Earth's location]] and Roslin's role better define why her illness is significant.) Having the cancer story-line helps show that smaller tragedies don't cease simply because another one looms ahead. It also reveals Roslin's vulnerability and puts her character in a realistic ethical conundrum, where she is more concerned about her own well-being when billions of people have been victims of the Cylon genocide.

==== The Infanticide Debate ====

One of the more emotional and argued points in the whole mini-series is not the sex changes of two main characters, and certainly not the major change in the Cylons, but the incident where [[Number 6]] kills an infant in the market place. The question during the debate focused on the immorality of the act and was purported by those against the re-imagining as being an indicator that the source material wasn't being taken seriously.

The intent of the act was never questioned. It is simply assumed that Number 6 killed the baby out of cold blood. The doubt of Number 6's intent, or possible lack thereof, still surrounds this scene. It was obvious that Number 6 was puzzled by the fraility of the baby and questioned as to how the neck could support the weight of the baby's head. Many items can be deduced from that scene, a few follow:

# It was a deliberate act. Cold and ruthless. Nothing more.
# Number 6 has feelings and is rational. Due to her knowledge of the impending attack and the expectation that the entire human race could be eradicated, could the act be merciful?
# Could it be an act of spite? In "[[33]]", her mental image asked [[Baltar, Gaius|Gaius Baltar]] if he wanted children. Which begs the question: Can Humanoid Cylons propogate their race through Human childbirth? (Answers: [[The Hand of God]], [[The Farm]])
# Could it be a simple lack of knowledge? If so, the infanticide was accidental, and Number 6 had no way of knowing.
# She did demonstrate curiosity as to how much the neck could support. Could the death have been an unethical experiment on her part?

The most disturbing aspect of the whole debate lies in the assumption that a single act of infanticide is unacceptable, whereas the genocide of the entire human race (including born and unborn infants) by Cylon hands seems to be more palatable.

==== The "Glowing Spine" Scene ====

One of the major inconsistencies in the mini-series was gleaned from this scene. The fact is established that Humano-Cylons were, for all intents and purposes, organic. Also established was, even with the most thorough of tests, it is almost impossible to screen Human from Cylon. What caused the spine to glow? It certainly wasn't a human reaction to sex. Since the Cylons went to the very painstaking process of creating an undetectable Humanoid Cylon model, it is conceivable that glowing spinal columns -- and more to the point the chemicals that would cause the aformentioned reaction -- would arouse undue suspicion and thwart Cylon plans.

One possible explanation for the glowing spine would be that the glowing spine is the act of "6" transfering some part of herself into Baltar, as evidenced later. However, this explanation is highly speculative. Furthermore, Boomer has a glowing spine when having sex with Helo.

Considering Baltar seems to be the only person qualified to work on distinguishing Cylon from human, it may be that he is not smart enough to look in the right places (after all he has not found other Cylon hallmarks, such as a transponder -- if it exists) or, being influenced by Six, unwilling to look in the right places, knowledgeable of it (but unwilling to come forward with the information), or some combination of all three.

Note: Comments from members of the production crew have since suggested that the only reason the glowing spine was included was that it "looked cool" at the time, and in retrospect, may have been a mistake.

== Notes ==



* The miniseries was initially broadcast in two two-hour segments. During re-broadcast (such as with the UK's Sky One channel), the two halves were combined into a single 3-hour 56-minute "film"
* Initially, there were 12 [[battlestar]]s, one representing each Colony. ''Galactica'' represented [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]]. These were built with antiquated technolgies, as were their fighter craft, to avoid the [[Cylons]]'s tactical advantage of disrupting complex electrical and computer equipment.
* Networked computers were susceptible to Cylon infiltration, forcing the Colonials to react by reducing their dependance on technology.
* The fleet has been greatly expanded since then, with as many as 120 battlestars. Practically all other battlestars were more advanced than ''Galactica.''
* As the Colonials became more confident of their security, integrated systems were re-introduced to their civilian and military craft.
* The Cylons believe monothestically, in [[God]], whereas the Colonials believe in a pantheon of gods mirroring the [[Greek Gods|twelve Olympian gods]] of Greek mythology.
* Cylons are also called "[[toaster]]s", mainly for their original appearance (a nod to the original series).
* All pilots have call signs.
* Commander [[Dash]] was the ''Galactica's'' first Commanding Officer.
* In the mini, [[Valerii, Sharon|Boomer]] is referred to as a "rook" by [[Thrace, Kara|Starbuck]], meaning a rookie. In [[Act of Contrition]], "[[nugget]]" is the chosen name for rookie pilots.
* The scene in which [[Cami]] awaits her death on the [[Botanical Cruiser]] visually echoes the infamous "[[Wikipedia:Daisy (television commercial)|Daisy]]" television advertisement from [[Wikipedia:Lyndon B. Johnson| Lyndon B. Johnson]]'s 1964 campaign against [[Wikipedia:Barry Goldwater|Barry Goldwater]].
* At the time Roslin's convoy is discovered by Cylon raiders, it consists of about 60 ships in total, but only about 40 are able to make the jump to [[Ragnar]].

===Blooper Moments===
* At the start of the episode, dialogue is retained from a draft scipt which placed the [[Twelve Colonies]] actually on [[Kobol]], rather than spread among twelve worlds. The giveaway lines are spoken by [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]] (played by [[Bennett, Matthew|Matthew Bennett]]):

: "Now, as I was saying, form follows function, and nowhere is this axiom of design more readily apparent than on the world famous Battlestar Galactica...now originally there were twelve battlestars, each representing one of Kobol's twelve colonies...."

: Given the show is set among 12 different worlds, and Kobol is now regarded as the birthplace of humanity, abandoned at some point in the distant past, Doral's should have used the words "worlds' famous", and simply referred to the original battlestars representing each of the Twelve Colonies.
* At the time of her first [[FTL]] jump, ''Galactica'' retracts her flight pods. However, when the jump is made, the ship is shown with the pods still extended.

=== Nods ===

* The Firefly-class ship, Serenity, from the sci-fi series Firefly makes a brief appearance. It can be seen flying above [[Roslin, Laura|Laura Roslin]] when she is about to hear her prognosis of breast cancer on [[The Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]].
* The fanfare just prior to [[Adama, William|Commander Adama's]] speech is taken from [[Stu Phillips]]'s theme for the [[TOS Battlestar Galactica|original Battlestar Galactica]].
* The pilot [[Jolly]] makes a brief (verbal) appearance, just prior to the Cylon's massacre of the squad led by [[Jackson Spencer]], Galactica's previous [[CAG]]. It is not the same actor that played [[Jolly (TOS)|Jolly]] in the original.
* The original [[Cylon Basestar]] and the original [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] can be briefly seen in the Galactica museum.
* President [[Roslin]] makes a point of calling [[Lee Adama]] "Captain [[Apollo]]", saying that it has a nice ring to it.
* During the attack, ''[[Colonial One|Colonial Heavy 798]]'' assists Gemenon Liner Seventeen-oh-one (1701). This is a nod to [[Ronald D. Moore|RDM's]] work on ''Star Trek''.
* The last lottery number chosen by Sharon Valerii and Helo to rescue a Caprican refugee was "47", another in-joke to the ''Star Trek'' series.
* Prior to [[Number Six]]'s meeting with an unknown person in the park, the kids playing in the background wore masks of Cylon Centurions from the original series and were waiving mock versions of the swords those same Centurions had.

=== Notes ===

* The role of the doctor who offered Roslin the diagnosis of breast cancer was offered to [[Richard Hatch]] as a cameo; Hatch declined the role, later to take the role of [[Tom Zarek]].
* Original drafts of the mini-series referenced [[Kobol]] as the current homeworld of the humans. This was revised to the [[Twelve Colonies]] in keeping with the original concept.
* The last said line of the mini-series, "By your command," was not added until the final draft, after a friend of Ronald D. Moore commented that it wouldn't be ''Battlestar Galactica'' without it being said somewhere.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==




==== Adama's Speech at the Galactica's Decommissioning Ceremony ====

"The Cylon War is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can be high, but --

"Sometimes it's too high.

"You know, when we fought the Cylons, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question, why? Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed, spite, jealousy. And we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we've done.

"Like we did with the Cylons. We decided to play God, create life. When that life turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore."

== Official Statements ==




=== Edward James Olmos' (EJO) Statements Regarding the Mini-Series ===

After the announcement of Edward James Olmos' involvement in the mini-series, portraying a role that was previously done by Canadian actor Lorne Greene, many fans contacted him. As is evidenced by the quotes before, Olmos demonstrates his honesty and reaction to the mail, most of which could be classified as fairly negative.

From his [http://hometown.aol.com/ejowebmistress/ official website]:

*"I must say one thing and will say this very clearly. If you are a person who really has a strict belief in the original, I would not advise that you watch this program...We really don't stand true to the kind of characters that were built around the original. It definitely does break the mold. Some of the characters' names are the same, but the intent and the way that we are building the reality is completely not the reality that was built in the original." -- 7/03

*"I'm going to be the first one to say it really clearly. Please tell your readers, do not watch this program...[P]eople get really, really angry. You've got to remember that this is a show that was only on . . . in the late '70s, and to this day has a very strong fan base. Tens of thousands of people who write to each other for 25 years over a program that is not on the air and is not even being rerun. "They didn't want this at all, and I didn't know any of this. . . . All of a sudden, my e-mails went through the roof. Suddenly I was accused of teaming up with Ron Moore and creating just a slap in the face of all these people, and I didn't want to slap anybody."

*"Trust me, don't watch it. If you are a real, real staunch 'Battlestar Galactica' person, don't watch it. . . . Just don't write to me, all right? I warned you. I was honest."

*"I've gotten some really strong, strong mail. . . . They're really bitter. They're very angry. And I know the Sci Fi Channel wants to say that everybody's going to enjoy it. They're not."

=== Comments from [[Eick, David|David Eick]] ===

"The goals of the mini series were nothing short of reinventing the science fiction genre. We wanted to present people in a catastrophic situation, in the wake of a tragedy, responding as human beings actually would through the prism of the science ficton genre."

=== Regarding Mini Series Ratings ===

"I think going into it, we all wondered. you know, what the audience numbers were going to be, especially given all the internet, sort of, controversy and the general, sort of, [something] about what we were doing and people objecting. And was it going to be a failure or was it not.

"The first night's numbers were good, but not great. We were waiting to see what the drop-off would be, because there was always a drop off on the second night. And the ratings actually went up." -- Ron D. Moore [http://scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/mov/video_06_320.mov]

=== Regarding Roslin's Refusal to Leave Her Nascent Fleet ===

{{from_RDM_blog}}

:Someone recently asked:
:"In the mini series, when the [[Cylon Raider|Cylon fighters]] are approaching ''[[Colonial One]]'' (just before [[Lee Adama|Lee]] saves the day with the EM pulse), [[Roslin, Laura|Roslin]] refuses to run and leave the other civilian ships to their doom... Yet she articulated no alternative plan. What was she hoping to do? It just seemed as though she planned to sit there and hope for the best, refusing to budge from the principle of not leaving defenseless people behind, even if that meant her own virtual suicide. It was an odd moment, she had been so decisive and clear headed up to then, and after that. (sic)

:What were her motivations, did she even have a plan? I still find this moment a little jarring and hard to explain away.I guess it does serve as a contrast to her later decision to leave [[Cami|Cammy]] (sic) etc behind. Thanks for your insights into this issue."

:[[Moore, Ronald D.|RDM]]: Can we talk? Let's be honest here. The show is not perfect. There are compromises made all the time; some for budgetary reasons, some are for political reasons, some are for no reason at all except that the writer could not, or would not, make the changes necessary to resolve a story point.

:Such is The Case of Laura Roslin and the Incoming Cylon.

:The above writer's observation is absolutely correct. Laura, by all rights and all sensible reasoning, should not obstinately stay when it's known for a fact that a Cylon missile is incoming, probably has a nuclear warhead and oh, by the way, she has no armament aboard her ship that would allow her even the remote chance of a possible last-minute, brilliant tactical move which might theoretically prevent the destruction of her ship and her presidency. Her refusal to leave, to Jump away from the impending, obvious threat can be interpreted as an irrational flaw in her character, a case of emotion trumping intellect, or it can be more correctly interpreted simply as a flaw in the script, an accepted error that the writer chooses to ignore in favor of other competing interests of character and plot which take priority in a given moment.

:In this case, I felt that the dramatic moment required that Laura make a committment to staying with her people, and to her nascent fleet, heedless of the consequence and resolute in her decision, even though it meant her certain doom. It was her instinctive response to the situation, her id's judgement, so to speak, that I was interested in, as well as the simpler plot device of having Lee swoop in and save them at the last moment just at the point you'd forgotten he was even there. Neither impulse is wrong, per se, but the error is in my choosing not to expand the moment and its aftermath in order to play out her realization of just how stupid a choice that was.

:If, at some point following the resolution of the crisis, Laura realized that she let her emotional reaction to the situation lead her into making a bad decision which was only saved by the providential intervention of Lee, then the scene would've accomplished everything I had hoped for in the moment as well as providing Laura with a character-building scene where the new president's first major decision nearly got them all killed. It would've been a way to both emphasize her fallibility and the fact that she can't afford to lead with her heart any longer. Her subsequent decision to leave the sublight ships behind, abandoning them to their destruction by the Cylons, would've also been informed by this experience and had a richer, even more textured component to it.

:In the end, it's not a fatal error in the script, and the moment passes by without comment for the most part, but it is something that nags at me whenever I see the sequence and which, frankly, bothered me at the time. So why didn't I fix it? A variety of answers present themselves, from time pressure to budgets, but the truth is, I knew that the emotional, dramatic moment would carry the audience through the scene and that people would be more invested in watching Lee take out the Cylon missile than in examining Laura's decision-making, so I opted to leave it alone rather than make the necessary page cuts and possible budget cuts needed to accommodate additional beats on this one point. It was probably the correct decision in the end, because the moment works and you move on as you're watching the show. However, being a television writer means not only having to make compromises and less than perfect decisions all the time, but as an additional penalty you get to always be reminded of the errors you've accepted when you watch the final product.

:Good catch by an attentive member of the audience.

:Damn you.

=== Additional Comments ===

* ''"Don't know if this has been addressed elsewhere already: Do [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Helo]] already know each other at the start of the show? I recently reviewed the mini and noticed that in the [[Ready Room]] scene where Apollo is introduced and told he will fly [[Adama, William|Husker]]'s [[Viper]], when first introduced, Helo waves and Lee gives him one of those "oh, hey!" looks of familiarity, then when Lee isn't thrilled about flying his dad's Viper, Helo is the only one who *doesn't* look confused, he just smiles and turns back around."''

:I don't think they knew each other prior to the pilot. Lee probably had never set foot on the ''[[Galactica]]'' before then. I think the look was something improvised on the set. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}

:: '''Wikipedian's Note:''' It is likely Helo knew Apollo through [[Kara Thrace]].

* ''Regarding the ''[[Galactica]]'' being hit by a [[Cylon]] nuke:''

:''Galactica'' was designed to withstand a nuclear hit. Don’t forget that nuclear weapons in space have a different impact than they do in the atmosphere. There’s not really a shock wave in space, it’s more the immediate blast, heat and radiation effects. ''Galactica'' is shielded against radiation. However, I’ll tell you that we’re going to get into that as the series goes on. '''That nuclear hit will come back to haunt them later; there will be consequences to what happened to the ship structurally when it took that hit.''' We’re taking the approach conceptually on this show that we must live with things that have happened to us, and that there are consequences. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm] (boldface emphasis is by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]])

== Statistics ==



=== Guest Stars ===




*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Conoy, Leoben|Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Doral, Aaron|Aaron Doral]]
*[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Keikeya, Billy|Billy]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Barclay+Hope Barclay Hope] as Transport Pilot
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0301874/ Lorena Gale] as [[Elosha|Priestess Elosha]]
*[[McClure, Kandyse|Kandyse McClure]] as [[Dualla]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Connor+Widdows Connor Widdows] as [[Boxey]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+John+Mann John Mann] as [[Spencer, Jackson|CAG]]
*[[Juliani, Alessandro|Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Gaeta]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicki+Clyne Nicki Clyne] as Deckhand [[Cally]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Eklund Michael Eklund] as Deckhand [[Prosna]]
*[[Penikett, Tahmoh|Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Agathon, Karl C.|Karl C. Agathon/Helo]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Haili+Page Haili Page] as [[Cami]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alonso+Oyarzun Alonso Oyarzun] as Deckhand [[Socinus]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ty+Olsson Ty Olsson] as Captain [[Kelly]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ron+Blecker Ron Blecker] as Launch Officer
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ryan+Robbins Ryan Robbins] as [[Armistice Officer]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Tim+Henry Tim Henry] as Doctor (on Caprica)
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dwesi+Ameyaw Dwesi Ameyaw] as Liner Captain of [[Botanical Ship]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brenda+McDonald Brenda McDonald] as Old Woman (who thought she forgot her glasses)
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Suleka+Mathew Suleka Mathew] as [[Brody, Kellan|Kellan Brody]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Erin+Karpluk Erin Karpluk] as Woman #1
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jenn+Griffin Jenn Griffin] as Woman #2
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+BJ+Harrison BJ Harrison] as Woman #3
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Moneca+Delain Moneca Delain] as Blonde Woman
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Zahf+Pardo Zahf Pardo] as Man #1
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Robert+Lewis Robert Lewis] as Man #2
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Denzal+Sinclaire Denzal Sinclaire] as Man #3
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nadine+Wright Nadine Wright] as [[Chantara]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Soltis Michael Soltis] as Chantara's Husband
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Fred+Keating Fred Keating] as Junior Reporter
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Lymari+Nadal Lymari Nadal] as [[Giana]]
*[[Gugushe, Biski|Biski Gugushe]] as Pilot #1
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nahanni+Arntzen Nahanni Arntzen] as Pilot #2
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nogel+Vonas Nogel Vonas] as Pilot #3
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ryan+Nelson Ryan Nelson] as Pilot #4




=== Writing & Direction ===

*Written by [[Moore, Ronald D.|Ronald D. Moore]] and [[Glen A. Larson|Christopher Eric James]]
*Based off a story by [[Larson, Glen A.|Glen A. Larson]]
*Directed by [[Rymer, Michael|Michael Rymer]]




=== First Run Air Dates & Releases ===

*UK Airdate: 17 February 2004
*US Airdate: 8 December 2003, 9 December 2003 (2-night engagement, Sci-Fi Channel)
*Canadian Airdate: 17 January 2004
*DVD Release: 28 December 2004

== External Links ==
[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/mini/ Mini-Series] at scifi.com
{{Episode List}}

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== Reason for Expansion ==

The [[Mini-Series#Analysis|analysis]] section needs to be expanded. I began working on it earlier, but never got around to finishing it. Obviously, anyone (including yours truly) can add their thoughts later on. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:05, 2 May 2005 (EDT)

== OK, Now It Needs to be Condensed ==

I've begun the slow process of truncating this page to help in reducing it below the 32K preferred limit as well as to make the page less cumbersome to read. Information or speculation that has been answered ''ad nauseum'' has been removed. Questions that now have answers were updated. Ancillary information available en masse from other articles was trimned and links added. I created a new page for an empty link as well.

I think the two larger sections should be reviewed further and cut down. Likewise, the dialogue and notes may stand a cut as well. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:32, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

== Cylon ==

I thought that the original Cylon Centurion was in the museum, not a cylon basestar. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:They both are. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:15, 1 October 2005 (EDT)

::Alright, I'll make the neccessary changes in the nod section then --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Galactica type battlestar

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''This article discusses the original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. For information on the battlestars of the Original Series, see [[Battlestar (TOS)]]. For information on the newer Mercury-class battlestars, see [[Mercury-class Battlestar (RDM)]].''

[[Image:Bsg-bsg-1.jpg|thumb|Original Colonial Battlestar (credit: Zoic)]]

==Overview==
The '''Battlestar'' is a capital Colonial warship that combines the functions of aircraft carrier and battleship. The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]], each representing one of the [[Twelve Colonies]] ([[Mini-Series]]). This article concerns that original, and unnamed, class.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service, and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the soon-to-be-decomisssioned ''[[Galactica]]'' was the last of her kind still in service, and the newer [[Mercury-class Battlestar|''Mercury''-class]] represented the top of the line.

Battlestars are space-going leviathans. Some 4,640ft in length, housing 80 [[Viper]] space superiority fighters arranged in 4 squadrons of 20 apiece, and several nuclear warheads, a fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while her defensive armaments ensure she is fully capable of both protecting herself from attack, and of engaging an enemy at close quarters.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and her sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull, and the twin flight pods.

=== Main Hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar, and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "Alligator head" contains the primary living space for the crew, recreational facilities, mess halls, shipboard operations centres (such as the [[CIC]] and [[Situation Room]]){{ref|nosource}}; water storage tanks ([[Water]]).

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms, crossways linking the hanger pods for the transfer of equipment and personnel, as well as all the necessary hoists for such transfers ([[Mini-Series]]). Main munitions stores and distribution mechnanisms to "local" munitions stores for main and secondary batteries; fabrication facilities; etc {{ref_label|nosource|1|a}}.

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drive coils, etc. Note that 4 of the sublight engines are mounted externally in engine pods, with 2 more mounted between the pods, in the stern of the battlestar's main hull.

=== Flight Pods ===
The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's offensive [[Viper]] force. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During FTL jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull. Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod; and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

The landing bay serves as a recovery area for incoming Vipers and [[Raptor]]s. Approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the hanger, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area. However, in emergencies, "rolling" combat landings can be made, in which a Viper or Raptor approaches at speed and makes a running landing on its undercarriage.

The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles. Each hanger bay is large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, at least as large as "heavy" passenger ships such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]''. Docking collars are located throughout the upper sections of the landing bay in order to provide a pressurised connection between an docked vessel and the battlestar.

The hanger bays in the pods are used as general dispersal areas for Vipers. The hanger bays are used for maintenance & repair of Vipers / Raptors, re-fuelling, re-arming and launch operations. The hangar bay runs the length of the flight pod, but can be divided and sealed off into five sections for damage control puroposes. Each hangar bay section has eight launch tubes, two launch control stations, and an elevator that leads to the landing bay above. Viper flight operations are overseen by a [[Landing Signal Officer]], with each launch supervisor being directly responsible for all launch operations for a group of four launch tubes{{ref_label|nosource|1|b}}.

==Specifications==

===Dimensions===
Hull:
* Length: 4,640ft
* Beam: 1,820ft (flight pod to flight pod - extended)
* Draft: 580ft (source: [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ships/ships/ SciFi.com])

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 2,019ft
* Beam (approx): 360ft
* Draft (approx): 211ft{{ref|pods}}

[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|right|thumb|Battlestar / CVN comparison (credit: Zoic / VF)]]
''An appreciation of the size of an original battlestar can be gleaned from the following: A battlestar is over 4 times longer than a [[Wikipedia:USS Nimitz|''Nimitz'']]-class US Navy nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. The flight pod of an original battlestar is almost twice the length of a ''Nimitz'' class carrier, is some 150ft wider and is approximately as tall as a ''Nimitz'' class carrier measured from the waterline to the top of the carrier's communications and [[ELINT]] tower. The beam of an original battlestar's "alligator head" is as broad as a ''Nimitz''-class carrier's flight deck is long. Each of the nacelles of an original battlestar's outer four sublight engines is large enough to house a ''Nimitz''-class carrier.''

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]
* 2 x FTL engines and drive coils{{ref|ftl}}
* 6 x sublight engines
** 2 x Hull-mounted
** 4 x outrigger engine pods
* 40 x manuevring engines (10 clusters of 4 apiece){{ref|zoic}}.

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as the [[Ragnar Anchorage]] depot. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Mini-Series]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of very accurate Jumps, able to place them precisely in synchronous orbit above any point on a planet ([[Mini-Series]]) and of placing them in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God]]) or dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), without risk of a devastating impact. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in range ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without resupply. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate without re-tanking "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Mini-Series]], [[Water]]), and may have small manufacturing/fabrication facilities on-board ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in Titanium lockers ([[Final Cut]]).

===Computer Systems===
The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked computer systems and wireless devices, as the [[Cylon]] enemy were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Mini-Series]]).

Although they do employ computers for such functions as [[FTL]] calculations, navigation, damage control and fire control ([[Scattered]]), these are not connected with each other. This design is intended to naturally quarantine individual systems in the event that one becomes compromised.

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|Flak field from ''Galactica's'' large turrets ([[Scattered]])]]
[[Image:Bscap064.jpg|thumb|''Galactica's'' point defence turrets]]
*24 large flak turrets{{ref|flak}} (mounting 2 guns apiece)
These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the "alligator head". The two guns on each turret fire explosive flack rounds in tandem at a rate of 2.23 seconds per round.

*Numerous{{ref|small}} smaller turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
These are smaller two-gun turrets mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires non-explosive rounds in bursts, with a rate of fire of 200 rounds per turret per second (estimate based on one tracer per four rounds).

*5 nuclear warheads ([[Bastille Day]])

*Four squadrons of 20 "[[Viper]]" air/space superiority fighters{{ref|vipers}}
Even the latest Mk. VII vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.

*Numerous{{ref|raptors}} "[[Raptor]]" reconnaissance vehicles

 

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to her scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800{{ref|crew}}. This figure may be higher for a fully staffed and operational battlestar.

==Sources==
# {{note|nosource}}{{note_label|nosource|1|a}}{{note_label|nosource|1|b}} No source provided. Figures and comments which are unsourced are being considered for deletion, in compliance with the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]].
# {{note|pods}} Calculated based on elevations made available by Zoic.
# {{note|ftl}} '''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Mini-Series]])
# {{note|zoic}} Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.
# {{note|flak}} These have been referred to as railguns by some fan sources, but there is substantial evidence against this. See [[Railgun]] for more.
# {{note|small}} Unsourced figures have ranged from 252 to 512.
# {{note|vipers}}After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon Attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod as well.
# {{note|raptors}}At the time of the Cylon Attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight. See [[Galactica (RDM)#Raptors]] for a running count.
# {{note|crew}} In the Mini-series, Adama states that he has "close to 2,000" people on board when he confronts [[Leoben Conoy]] at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. However, in In "[[Water]]" Baltar says there are 45,265 civilians in the fleet. Given the stats of [[survivor count|total fleet population]] in that episode, that means there were 2,693 military personnel in the Fleet at the time. In addition to the 85 killed in the flight pod fire, 29 Viper pilots lost on-screen in the first three sorties, and [[Helo]] going MIA, that makes for a pre-attack total of 2,808. It is unclear if this is a retcon or a mistake, but we favor the more recent figure.

[[Category:A to Z]] [[Category:Colonial Craft]][[Category:Colonial Military]] [[Category:RDM]] [[Category:Technology]] [[Category:Battlestars]]

Pyramid (RDM)

2005-10-01T05:04:16Z

Blacklight: /* Pyramid, as a court game */

==Re-imagined Series==

=== Pyramid, as a court game ===

A popular game within Colonial society, possibly team-based, which enjoyed television coverage across the the [[Twelve Colonies]] ([[Mini-Series]]), and also popular aboard Colonial warships ([[Litmus]]).
[[Image:Bscap3463pu.jpg|thumb|Pyramid Game Court]]
The game appears to be a close quarters ball game played on a pyramid-shaped court, hence the name of the game ''Pyramid''. The objective is apparently to score points by getting the ball into a goal at the top of the pyramid. The game appears to be a cross between basketball, rugby and lacrosse. Pyramid can be played one-on-one or in teams. Pyramid is also played professionally, teams like the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] are sports heroes akin to modern day professional sports teams. While teams can consist of upwards of eight people it is probable that the sport is played one-on-one with players constantly rotating on and off the court between plays. The Pyramid court that [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Anders]] played on, which was regulation size in spite of it's makeshift layout, didn't look much bigger than a tether ball circle. It is unlikely that it can support up to 16 players at one time. ([[Resistance]])

The game is derived from the [[triad]] games played in the original ''Battlestar'' series.

=== Pyramid, as a card game ===

See: [[#History of the Term "Pyramid"|History of the Term "Pyramid"]] for information.

==Original Series==

A high-risk [[chancery]] game played with cards; a Colonial version of [[Wikipedia:poker game|poker]].

== History of the Term "Pyramid" ==

To clarify the confusion of "pyramid", one must first realize that in the [[TOS|original series]], pyramid referred to the poker type card game often played by the [[Viper]] pilots.

In the re-imagined series, pyramid is often confused with the card game now known in the [[TNS|re-imagined series]] as [[Full Colors]]. There was a mix-up by [[Ronald D. Moore]]; he confused "pyramid" (the original series' card game) with "triad" (the original series sports game), which was entered into the canon from the [[Mini Series]] and into the television series.

As a result the current series' pyramid became a sport while the card game was dubbed "Full Colors".

== See also ==

* [[List of retcons (RDM)]]

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: Colonial Society]]
[[Category: Colonial Society (TOS)]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category: TOS]]

Talk:Miniseries, Night 1/Archive 1

2005-10-01T04:53:09Z

Blacklight:

Talk:Battlestar Galactica (TRS)/Archive 1

2005-10-01T01:57:42Z

Blacklight:

I hear that NBC may be trying to make a spinoff of BSG, focused on either the Caprica resistance or on the crew of the Celestra research vessel (a third option of following the Pegasus crew was abandoned). Apparently, NBC is jealous of SciFi, and of RDM's unwillingness to bring BSG over to NBC. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:02, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)

: Well, I guess I've heard of more short-sighted things... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:28, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)

: That kinda...doesn't make sense. They should just be happy that they get the money from the channel that they OWN. -- [[user:yenguyen|YeNguyen]] 12:42, 24 Jul 2005 (EST)

::I think their reasoning is that if it were on NBC as opposed to SciFi, they'd get more viewers and thus more money - and if they had a show on each, then there'd be even more money than that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:13, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)

:::I've got the theme songs of the first and second season, but don't know how to convert them into an .ogg file, can someone help? --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

::::I'm afraid that we aren't going to be able to use them, anyway. For one, we need to have permission to use them anyway; as of right now, both themes are available on the season 1 soundtrack, and were we to post them, we'd probably get in trouble for copyright infringement. Something that I seriously do not want to occur. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:50, 30 September 2005 (EDT)

:::::Ah alright, not a problem. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Talk:Battlestar Galactica (TRS)/Archive 1

2005-10-01T01:36:55Z

Blacklight:

User talk:April Arcus

2005-10-01T01:13:33Z

Blacklight:

==Zarek Rocks==

Thanks a lot for the advice. I'm still trying to figure out all of the intricacies of this wiki thing. Hopefully I don't look like too much of a newb, lol.

== Viper Ref. Numbers ==

are you going to do a list of the viper numbers since you have done one of the raptors and put them on offensive arment page?

:I'll be happy to, if you can tell me which episodes to look in. I can't remember hearing any Vipers being identified numerically in the series. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:19, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:: Most of the Viper numbers are likely to come from the DRADIS closeups, if anything else. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:25, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

::: you can find a lot of viper reference numbers in the mini series e.g. viper 450 etc

:::: To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure that keeping track of individual vipers is going to be a very interesting endeavor. The raptors are at least countable - there are probably no more than ten - so it makes some sense to keep track of them on an individual basis. As far as the vipers go, it would seem sufficient just to give a simple headcount (currently 35, assuming none were destroyed off-screen in "[[Scattered]]"). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:33, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT)

== RTFF? ==

Hi Peter. Is RTFF an acronym for what I believe it is? If so, please refrain from using it in the edit summaries, if only out of civility. Thanks! :-)

:Rag-Tag Fugitive Fleet. What did you think the second "F" stood for? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:56, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:: Interesting acronym. :-) I was being a bit paranoid there, given that's an acronym for [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp%3Facronym%3DRTFF&ei=6bb-QuXIK4_04QHU2rg8 some other things as well]. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:15, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

== Race and Ethnicity in the Twelve Colonies ==
In your work you state that Gaius Baltar may have an interest only in white women. If you remember, Gaius was caught in bed with an East Asian woman in the miniseries by Number Six. -QuintusCinna

:Good Catch, thank you. Six also intimated that he had some interest in Boomer. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:26, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

==12 Colonies of Kobol Standards==
I know, it sounds a little over eager. I took several zoom in snap shots of the 12 banners both in the mini-series and also in Colonial Day. These are definitely the icons and the colors. Icon was a name used and so far the planet relative to Libra has not been mentioned. This is the only colony I find debatable. Certain colonies may not go with certain standards such as Aquarius or Leonis. I made this with flash in between my summer graduate classes. If you would like to use it, I don't mind- just give me credit.

http://magellannarfe.com/bsgflags.jpg

:Wow, these are really excellent. I've been thinking about creating something like this myself, but I'm glad you've beaten me to the punch. What format are the originals in, some kind of vector package?

:I note that in the scene we're discussing, Wenutu and Sanne appear to be over different flags than usual. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:18, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::QuintusCinna = Yes, these are vector based using Flash. I've been having fun building a flash battlestar galactica encyclopedia, but was glad to see you already had this even though my flash stuff was nearly finished. If you pay attention to the flags behind, they are all at random placements and that they are placed differently than that of the miniseries' memorial at the end. I played with the idea that the memorial's flags were in order of when they were nuked while the flags on Cloud Nine were placed in order of their signing the Articles of Colonization. It's purely guess though. Note that in Colonial Day, the Sagittaron flag is at the farthest right while Tom Zarek is somwhere in the middle. This clearly shows to me there is no relation between the flags' placements and the delegates sitting.

:::A few thoughts:
:::If you want these images to be used to their fullest, it would be best to output them as high-resolution anti-aliased PNGs. The wiki software can scale them down for use in individual pages, and we could place them along the right-hand side of the relevant articles.
:::Question 1: Is Libra's colony is really called "Icon"? Where did you see this? I can't remember if Libron or Libris or whatever has been mentioned out loud in the series yet. What's your take?
:::Question 2: I could swear that the symbol on the side of Galactica was also on one of the flags, which I assumed to be Caprica because of the historical association. Was I just making it up?
:::Question 3: In your opinion, do the icons on the colonial flags bear any resemblance to the constellations they replaced (according to [[Home, Part II]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:01, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::QuintusCinna:
::::PNG? I never thought of that. I have them uploaded in gif for the time being. This can always change.
::::Question 1: I have not seen any information telling me there is a colony called Libra as of yet though I have watched each show probably about 7 times (I'm addicted). I'm still waiting. The Tomb of Athena did mention Libra, though. I do know that in the mini-series, Commander Adama or Laura Roslin said something like: "And the following colonies have been destroyed... Picon, Arelon, Sagittaron, Icon..." This isn't an exact quote but the subtitles even showed the word "ICON" which caught me off guard. The statement left an emphatic relation that it was more likely 1 of the 12 colonies instead of a moon like Trevor.
::::Question 2: The symbol on the side of Galactica is the flag for the 12 colonies unless I haven't been paying attention. It's like the US flag for the USA. In the center of the memorial flags at the end of the mini-series shows a black standard with the Phoenix icon in the middle and Battlestar Galactica BSG 75. This suggests to me that this is their symbol.
::::Question 3: I looked at the copy I have twice for Home, Part II and my copy is just way too dark. I would need to see better pictures to help me out because I'm not sure. I assume there would be a connection, especially since I remember Roslin saying Leo's constellation represents the flag of that tribe (which we can assume to be Leonis). Your pictures turn out so clear. I need to figure out how I can do the same.

:::::Excellent work. I think they look great on the colony articles. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:38, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::::I don't know the shapes of all 12 Zodiac signs off the top of my head (and maybe we should get some pictures of them in order to display along with these flags for others who want to compare this kind of thing), but Picon (aka Pices) is a couple of fish, usually one over the other, head to tail. I could see that symbol being derived from it. Also, Gemenon would be Gemini, the twins, which are usually depicted by something kind of like this: L7. Additionally, Scorpion looks like the symbol might have a tail with a stinger... Tauron's symbol '''could''' be a bull. Anyway, I think this indicates that at whatever points the flags were revised, the constelation symbols were replaced by a kind of updating or stylization of the original symbol. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:41, 30 August 2005 (EDT)

== Character Data ==

Did you (or someone, I guess) edit the Character Data template such that more fields will be rendered invisible when left blank? If so, neat! However, if it was you, could you add to the documentation on the template's discussion page? If it wasn't you, then sorry and maybe you can help me track down who did? --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:43, 8 September 2005 (EDT)

:That was Joe. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:35, 9 September 2005 (EDT)

==Test==

*321
*Test 123? Anything but that!

== Answer on Ellen Tigh Page ==

I've posted my thoughts on the use of naming on the Ellen Tigh page on the Standards and Conventions talk page as you requested. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:12, 14 September 2005 (EDT)

==Doing a Great Job==

I just wanted you to know you've been doing excellent work. I'll try to be careful on anything I change, and if I do, I will explain. [[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]]

: Hah! [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions&curid=3447&diff=14318&oldid=14256 Nice edit]. I especially liked the addition of signing work. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:35, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

==New Messsage problem==
Hi, Peter. Do you still have that "new message" problem, with it not going away? It's still there for me, and I was wondering if you had any ideas for getting rid of it. Thanks. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 14:26, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

==Pictures==
Hi, if you need any more pictures, let me know and I will try to find it. Btw, great job, keep up the good work. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Galactica type battlestar

2005-10-01T01:04:22Z

Blacklight: /* Armament */

''This article discusses the original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. For information on the battlestars of the Original Series, see [[Battlestar (TOS)]]. For information on the newer Mercury-class battlestars, see [[Mercury-class Battlestar (RDM)]].''

[[Image:Bsg-bsg-1.jpg|thumb|Original Colonial Battlestar (credit: Zoic)]]

==Overview==
The '''Battlestar'' is a capital Colonial warship that combines the functions of aircraft carrier and battleship. The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]], each representing one of the [[Twelve Colonies]] ([[Mini-Series]]). This article concerns that original, and unnamed, class.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service, and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the soon-to-be-decomisssioned ''[[Galactica]]'' was the last of her kind still in service, and the newer [[Mercury-class Battlestar|''Mercury''-class]] represented the top of the line.

Battlestars are space-going leviathans. Some 4,640ft in length ([[Zoic]]), they combine the role of a modern airacraft carrier with that of a battle cruiser. Housing some 80 "[[Viper]]" space superiority fighters arranged in 4 squadrons of 20 apiece, a fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while her defensive armaments ensure she is fully capable of both protecting herself from attack, and of engaging an enemy at close quarters.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and her sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull, and the twin flight pods.

=== Main Hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar, and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "Alligator head" contains the primary living space for the crew, recreational facilities, mess halls, shipboard operations centres (such as the [[CIC]] and [[Situation Room]]){{ref|alligator}}; water storage tanks ([[Water]]).

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms, crossways linking the hanger pods for the transfer of equipment and personnel, as well as all the necessary hoists for such transfers ([[Mini-Series]]). Main munitions stores and distribution mechnanisms to "local" munitions stores for main and secondary batteries; fabrication facilities; etc {{ref|midships}}.

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drive coils, etc. Note that 4 of the sublight engines are mounted externally in engine pods, with 2 more mounted between the pods, in the stern of the battlestar's main hull.

=== Flight Pods ===
The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's offensive [[Viper]] force. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During FTL jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull. Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod; and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

The landing bay serves as a recovery area for incoming Vipers and [[Raptor]]s. Approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the hanger, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area. However, in emergencies, "rolling" combat landings can be made, in which a Viper or Raptor approaches at speed and makes a running landing on its undercarriage.

The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles. Each hanger bay is large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, at least as large as "heavy" passenger ships such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]''. Docking collars are located throughout the upper sections of the landing bay in order to provide a pressurised connection between an docked vessel and the battlestar

The hanger bays in the pods are used as general dispersal areas for Vipers. The hanger bays are used for maintenance & repair of Vipers / Raptors, re-fuelling, re-arming and launch operations. The hangar bay runs the length of the flight pod, but can be divided and sealed off into five sections for damage control puroposes. Each hangar bay section has eight launch tubes, two launch control stations, and an elevator that leads to the landing bay above. Viper flight operations are overseen by a Landing Signal Officer [[LSO]], with each launch supervisor being directly responsible for all launch operations for a group of four launch tubes{{ref|hangar}}.

==Dimensions==
Hull:
* Length (approx): (4,640ft) (1,414.2 meters)
* Beam (approx): 1,820ft (554.736 meters) (flight pod to flight pod - extended)
* Draft (approx): 585ft (178.308 meters)

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 2,019ft (615.391 meters) HI
* Beam (approx): 360ft (109.728 meters)
* Draft (approx): 211ft (64.3128 meters){{ref|zoic1}}

[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|right|thumb|Battlestar / CVN comparison (credit: Zoic / VF)]]
''An appreciation of the size of an original battlestar can be gleaned from the following: A battlestar is over 4 times longer than a [[Wikipedia:USS Nimitz|''Nimitz'']]-class US Navy nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. The flight pod of an original battlestar is almost twice the length of a ''Nimitz'' class carrier, is some 150ft wider and is approximately as tall as a ''Nimitz'' class carrier measured from the waterline to the top of the carrier's communications and [[ELINT]] tower. The beam of an original battlestar's "alligator head" is as broad as a ''Nimitz''-class carrier's flight deck is long. Each of the nacelles of an original battlestar's outer four sublight engines is large enough to house a ''Nimitz''-class carrier.''

==Propulsion==
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]
* 2 x FTL engines and drive coils{{ref|ftl}}
* 6 x sublight engines
** 2 x Hull-mounted
** 4 x outrigger engine pods
* 40 x manuevring engines (10 clusters of 4 apiece){{ref|zoic2}}

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable ([[Mini-Series]] and can dock with space stations such as the [[Ragnar Anchorage]] depot. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]]. A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of very accurate Jumps, able to place them precisely in synchronous orbit above any point on a planet ([[Mini-Series]]) and of placing them in the midst of debris fields, such as an asteroid belt, without risk of a devastating impact ([[The Hand of God]]) or dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]). However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in range ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

==Endurance==
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without resupply. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate without re-tanking "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Mini-Series]], [[Water]]), and may have small manufacturing/fabrication facilities on-board ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in Titanium lockers ([[Final Cut]]).

==Computer Systems==
The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked computer systems and wireless devices, as the [[Cylon]] enemy were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Mini-Series]]).

Although they do employ computers for such functions as [[FTL]] calculations, navigation, damage control and fire control ([[Scattered]]), these are not connected with each other. This design is intended to naturally quarantine individual systems in the event that one becomes compromised.

==Armament==
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|Flak field from ''Galactica's'' large turrets ([[Scattered]])]]
[[Image:Bscap064.jpg|thumb|''Galactica's'' point defence turrets]]
*24 large flak turrets{{ref|flak}} (mounting 2 guns apiece)
These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the "alligator head". The two guns on each turret fire explosive flack rounds in tandem at a rate of 2.23 seconds per round.

*Numerous{{ref|small}} smaller turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
These are smaller two-gun turrets mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires non-explosive rounds in bursts, with a rate of fire of 200 rounds per turret per second (estimate based on one tracer per four rounds).

*4 squadrons of 20 "[[Viper]]" air/space superiority fighters{{ref|vipers}}
Even the latest Mk. VII vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.

*Numerous "[[Raptor]]" reconnaissance vehicles {{ref|raptors}}

==Crew==
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to her scheduled decommissioning was 2,800{{ref|crew}}. This figure may be higher for a fully staffed and operational battlestar.

==Sources==
# {{note|alligator}} No source provided. Figures and comments which are unsourced are being considered for deletion, in compliance with the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]].
# {{note|midships}} No source provided.
# {{note|hangar}} No source provided.
# {{note|zoic1}} Originally credited to Zoic without a specific source.
# {{note|ftl}} Tigh: "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Mini-Series]])
# {{note|zoic2}} Originally credited to Zoic without a specific source.
# {{note|flak}} These have been referred to as railguns by some fan sources, but there is substantial evidence against this. See [[Railgun]] for more.
# {{note|small}} Unsourced figures have ranged from 252 to 512.
# {{note|vipers}}After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon Attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod as well.
# {{note|raptors}}At the time of the Cylon Attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight. See [[Galactica (RDM)#Raptors]] for a running count.
# {{note|crew}} In the Mini-series, Adama states that he has "close to 2,000" people on board when he confronts [[Leoben Conoy]] at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. However, in In "[[Water]]" Baltar says there are 45,265 civilians in the fleet. Given the stats of [[survivor count|total fleet population]] in that episode, that means there were 2,693 military personnel in the Fleet at the time. In addition to the 85 killed in the flight pod fire, 29 Viper pilots lost on-screen in the first three sorties, and [[Helo]] going MIA, that makes for a pre-attack total of 2,808. It is unclear if this is a retcon or a mistake, but we favor the more recent figure.

[[Category:A to Z]] [[Category:Colonial Craft]][[Category:Colonial Military]] [[Category:RDM]] [[Category:Technology]] [[Category:Battlestars]]

File talk:Viper Mk. 1.JPG

2005-09-30T14:04:30Z

Blacklight:

Where did you find this image? Are other shots from the video game available? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:56, 30 September 2005 (EDT)

Found it at galactica2003.net, and also I think there are images from gamespot.com --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

Viper (TRS)

2005-09-30T14:03:45Z

Blacklight: /* Video Game Variants */

==[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Viper]]==

=== Overview ===

[[Image:Bsg-viper-1.jpg|thumb|Viper Mk. II (credit: Gabriel C. Koerner)]]

The Viper is the Colonial Defence Force's primary space superiority fighter / attack craft. Capable of atmospheric flight, the Viper is a single-seat craft mounting two kinetic energy weapons ([[KEW]]s), as well as having hardpoints beneath the wings for mounting missiles, munitions pods and other ordnance ([[The Hand of God]]).

The Viper was originally introduced into Colonial service shortly before the outbreak of the [[Cylon War]]. However, it was the Mk. II variant, designed specifically for use with the new Colonial [[Battlestar]]s that is best remembered.

The Mk. II served with distinction throughout the Cylon War, proving a capable fighting vehicle that won renown across the [[Twelve Colonies]] and is regarded as one of the reasons the Colonials did not suffer defeat at the hands of the Cylons.

The Mk. II remained in service after the end of the war, but was subsequently superceded by newer models. At the time of the renewed Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies, the Mk. VII was the front-line variant of the Viper design, retaining the Mk. II general layout but using fully networked systems providing superior battle management and fight information for the pilot.

Ironically, it was the incorporation of the new integrated systems that prevented the majority of Mk. VIIs from being effective during the Cylon attack: as with the majority of Colonial Fleet, the Mk. VII suffered fatal computer glitches on contact with Cylon forces. Thanks to Six's relationship with Baltar, the [[CNP|navigational software]] in standard use onboard the majority of Colonial Fleet vessels had backdoors that allowed the Cylons to infiltrate a vessel's network by wireless signals and disable its power systems. While the problem could be overcome by removing the navigational upgrade compromised by the Cylons, this information was not discovered in time to be of major benefit to the surprised and hard-pressed Colonial forces.

==== Atmospheric Operations ====
The Viper is designed for atmospheric as well as space-based operations. However, Vipers consume more fuel during atmospheric operations than in the vacuum of space: once in an atmosphere, the engines must run continuously to retain airflow over the wing lifting surfaces. Depending on the composition of the atmosphere itself, this can place severe strain on the Viper's engines ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).

Due to their wing configuration, Vipers may also suffer from poor handling at low speeds within an atmosphere.

==== Life Support ====
Viper cockpits are pressurised and heated, but they are flown with the pilot wearing a flight suit that is capable of providing full life support should ejection be required ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). The life support systems are built-in to the back of the pilot's seat itself, together with the flight harness. Following an ejection, the back of the seat separates automatically, effectively becoming a backpack for the pilot ([[Act of Contrition]]).

Should ejection take place within an atmosphere, the life support backpack / seat back also incorporates a parachute.

=== Technical Specifications ===

[[Image:Bsg-viper7-1.jpg|thumb|Viper Mk. VII (credit: Sci-Fi Channel)]]

==== Dimensions ====
Mk. II
*Length: (approx) 7.6m
*Wingspan: (approx) 3.7m

Mk. VII
*Length: (approx) 8.5m
*Wingspan: (approx) 4.3m

==== Propulsion ====
*Both: 3x sublight engines mounted aft; 2x reverse thrust motors; [[RCS]] points
*Mk. VII: Angular exhaust nozzle design suggest possible thrust-vectoring.

==== Armaments ====
*Mk. II: 2x forward-firing kinetic energy weapons ([[KEW]]) mounted in the wing roots
*Mk. VII: 3x forward-firing kinetic energy weapons (KEW); 2 mounted towards the outboard sections of the wings; 1 mounted in the vertical stabiliser
*Both: Weapon hardpoints for mounting missiles / munitions pods, etc. under the wings

==== Instruments ====
*Mk. II: [[Radio Magnetic Indicator]]
*Mk. II: [[Torque Percent Gauge]]
*Mk. II: [[Attitude Indicator]]
*Mk. II: [[Altimeter]]

==== Crew ====
*Pilot

==== Notes ====

Since the ''Galactica'' only had 40 Viper Mk. II's aboard, they needed as many fighters as possible, thus the remaining Mk. VII's were refitted and stripped of their advanced computer systems. However, since this is not how the Mk. VII was designed, it makes the craft increasingly difficult to handle and can only be flown by the most experienced pilots ([[Apollo]] & [[Thrace, Kara|Starbuck]]). Galactica has roughly 6-8 Mk. VII's on board after the Cylon attack ("[[Scattered]]", "Flight of the Phoenix").

=== Layout ===

The Viper is a long, sleek vehicle that can be spilt into two parts, fore and aft.

*Fore section: comprises the nose back to the cockpit. This contains the forward RCS systems for manoeuvring the craft; the forward landing gear; the main avionics and sensor packages, plus the single-seat cockpit itself
*Stern section: comprises the main engines, fuel tanks, wings and vertial stabiliser. The wings themselves contain the kinetic energy weapons ("guns") and their munitions storage and feeds. Hardpoints beneath the wings allow missiles, munitions pods and other items to be rack-mounted ([[The Hand of God]]). The wings roots contain the main landing gear. This section of a Viper also contains a number of RCS manoeuvring packs.

The stern section of a Viper is distinctive because of the offset "intakes" mounted just behind the cockpit. The port / starboard "intake" nacelles incorporate small but powerful reverse thrust engines that can quickly counter a Viper's forward momentum in an emergency ([[The Hand of God]]).

==[[TOS Battlestar Galactica|Original Series Viper]]==
[[Image:bsg-viper-tos.jpg|thumb|Starhound Viper (credit: Universal / ABC)]]

The Colonial Starhound Viper was the primary space superiority fighter / attack craft deployed by the Colonials. Capable of atmospheric flight, it was a single-seat craft mounting two laser-torpedo guns as standard, as well as having hardpoints for mounting missiles.

The Viper was originally introduced into Colonial service during the 1,000 yahren war with the Cylons, and was a far superior craft to the [[Cylon Raider#Original Series Raider|Cylon Raider]].

Propulsion was said to be provided by a hybrid tylium / fusion reactor powering three ion engines with a "turbo-boost" facility for very rapid acceleration. For atmospheric flight, the engines are additionally supplied with atmospheric gases as combustibles to conserve on-board fuel supplies. The viper cockpit is fully pressurised, and in the event of catastrophic system damage, the entire module can detach and eject away from the damaged Viper.

==== Dimensions ====
*Length: (approx) 8.7m
*Wingspan: (approx) 3.8m

==== Propulsion ====
*3x ion engines mounted aft

==== Aramaments ====
*2 x forward-firing laser-torpedo guns
*4 x two-hundred kiloton Solonite missiles
*2 x thirty megaton Solonite bombs

====Crew====
* Pilot

===Layout===
[[Image:tos-viper-cut.jpg|thumb|Starhound Viper Cutaway (credit: Mike McAdams)]]
The Viper is a long, sleek vehicle that can be spilt into two parts, fore and aft.

* Fore section: comprises the nose back to the cockpit. This contains the targeting dish and sensor array, the forward landing gear; the main avionics and sensor packages, plus the cockpit module
* Stern section: comprises the main engines, reactor systems, turbo-boost injection systems, fuel tanks, wings and vertial stabiliser. The wings themselves contain the laser-torpedo guns and their power packs. Harpoints beneath the wings allow missiles, munitions pods and other items to be rack-mounted.

==Video Game Variants==
Within the [[Video Game]], three variants of Viper are available: the Mk. I, which is designed to be an earlier version of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]] Viper; the Mk. II, which is largely based on the original series Viper, and the Mk. III, which is described as "superior to the Mk. II in every respect".
[[Image:Viper Mk. 1.JPG|thumb|Viper Mk. I]]

Source: http://www.galactica2003.net/

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